This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #645

00:00:00.000 Florida, baby. I'll be in Jacksonville this week. We've got shows Friday and Saturday.

00:00:06.200 That's March 13th and 14th. One on Friday and two on Saturday evening. A few tickets are still

00:00:12.420 available at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. Practicing, preparing for my Netflix special. So grateful to

00:00:20.980 be down there in the great state of Florida. Today's guest is a musician. He's a founder of

00:00:27.760 the legendary rock band, The Black Crows. He has a new album called A Pound of Feathers

00:00:33.840 that comes out March 13th. I cannot even believe today's guest is Mr. Chris Robinson.

00:00:57.760 And I like, I don't mind being decrepit a little bit. You know what I mean? Like I've never...

00:01:03.480 It's kind of artsy. It's a little bit Tim Burton-esque.

00:01:05.700 Well, I'm kind of proud that I've, that I'm, that I've survived 59 winters.

00:01:12.020 Yeah.

00:01:13.140 You know what I mean?

00:01:14.300 Yeah. Oh, I can imagine with your, with your life, I bet. Did you feel like when you were

00:01:18.940 young, like I'm never going to live long? And then as you got, as you've grown, you're

00:01:23.340 like, fuck, I guess I'm...

00:01:25.880 I don't, I don't, you know what? I, it's so funny because I'm not afraid of the theme

00:01:31.620 at all. And of course, but I never really, I mean, no, I didn't really, I've never really

00:01:38.160 thought about it. I adhere to, do you know the French artist Jean Cocteau? Do you know

00:01:43.440 who he was? He's very, have you ever seen the original movie, Beauty and the Beast?

00:01:48.080 Yeah.

00:01:48.500 The black and white one with the hands. He directed that film. He was a French artist, intellectual,

00:01:55.940 Jean Cocteau.

00:01:56.900 Yeah. A very important figure in the 20th century and, and, and art. And I subscribed to something

00:02:03.380 that he said, and he said, living is a horizontal fall. So he just like, dude, should I, when

00:02:13.440 35, 36 years ago, I was like, that's it. I mean, what else do you need to know? I mean,

00:02:17.500 it was like perfect, philosophic.

00:02:21.760 Yeah. That's a line. Sometimes I get so jealous when you hear somebody that said something

00:02:25.740 or that wrote something, you know, not jealous, but also, I guess I used to get more jealous.

00:02:29.220 Now I think I just get grateful that I got to hear it or read it.

00:02:31.700 Of course. Of course. That's what it's all about. I mean, there's, there's a million things

00:02:37.520 to inspire, you know? And I think, I think it's really sad if you get to a point and

00:02:44.900 it could be anything, just whatever. I have a lot of varied interests, you know what I

00:02:49.620 mean? So I'm constantly like interested in stuff and the world is just information. You

00:02:56.220 know what I mean? Um, because I'm dyslexic as well, I just process it in a different way,

00:03:02.540 but it's, it's, that's why I've been in a fucking rock band my whole life. That's what

00:03:07.820 it'll lead you there. You're saying? Yeah. Oh yeah. If your brain is fricking doing donuts

00:03:12.760 or whatever. Every, every artist I know. Yeah. It's like, that's why we found our way to

00:03:18.600 this and the success part or whatever, that kind of aspect of it is just whatever. You

00:03:25.580 know what I mean? That's what either happens or doesn't happen. Yeah. I read somewhere that

00:03:29.500 you, um, like you have like a, I don't know if it's a fascination, but like about the first

00:03:34.340 line of a song or a, um, like whenever you mentioned that thing about Mr. Cocteau, it

00:03:39.920 made me think about that. Like how the first line is so important. Yeah. It's well for, it's

00:03:45.220 funny that you're, I did say that I've said that because, you know, lyrics are the, the

00:03:51.280 writing songs was the first thing I thought I could do. Do you know what I mean? So I was

00:03:56.360 like, I was, that's what I was into. Yeah. That was my interest, poetry and writing. You

00:04:01.500 know, that was something that I felt I had, maybe I could get into this. Was it a music

00:04:06.400 first? Like you were just thinking poetry and they're just. Poetry first. Yeah. You

00:04:10.020 know what I mean? Because the music part came a little later when I was kind of like, fuck,

00:04:18.280 you know, like we're going to see like hardcore bands in Atlanta in the early 80s at like punk

00:04:23.980 rock matinee shows and stuff. Cause that's the shit we could go see because I wasn't

00:04:29.000 really interested in like MTV and kind of the same stuff. We were just different. My

00:04:34.640 brother too. Um, that kind of led to the whole world of, Oh, there's like all this other shit

00:04:42.080 going on, but it's not on TV or it's not the, on the radio. You have to really dig and find

00:04:48.020 it. And then you see some other kid in like a fucking circle jerks t-shirt or something.

00:04:52.460 And you're like, let's go talk to that guy. What's going on there? Yeah. Which the world

00:04:57.120 is still the same way. I think you meet the people you're supposed to meet and has nothing

00:05:02.080 to do with technology. If you're out in the world traveling around. Yeah. That's a good

00:05:08.080 point. Actually. I think you come across fucking people because you guys are, people are on

00:05:12.620 a certain wavelength. Yeah. There's a real human wavelength that's still happening in the

00:05:17.160 universe, even though so many of us are sidelined, uh, on our devices though. It's almost like

00:05:22.300 you're on the sidelines. It's almost as if it's by design too. You know what I mean? I

00:05:27.060 mean, I don't really wander into those realms so much. I'm too busy with Mr. Cocktail.

00:05:32.540 Just kidding. Did you have like, yeah. Are there like once, once I read that you, uh, once

00:05:39.260 I read that you said that I was like, oh yeah, I was trying to think of, um, Oh, the first

00:05:43.480 line thing. But that dictates the, the yeah. We're like, okay. If I, if that first thing

00:05:49.820 to me is something like I could in a stupid visualization, open up a page and see it. And

00:05:56.740 then if that would be something that if I could capture something in imagination or feeling

00:06:02.780 or where those two things come together in the first few words of the song. Yeah. That's,

00:06:08.940 you know, and I find my, I like that with songs too. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm not going

00:06:13.540 to wait till the third verse for some good words. Yeah. To tickle you a little. Yeah.

00:06:17.900 Give it to me. Yeah. You want to tickle them up front. Like, uh, the, uh, what's a Johnny,

00:06:21.540 that Johnny, I hurt myself today. Yeah. Yeah. That one.

00:06:25.800 The Trent Reznor song. Yes. Oh, my friend was just at the, they just went to see Nine

00:06:30.060 Inch Nails last night. Actually, he was sending me videos. They were here last night? No,

00:06:33.560 they were in New Orleans. Oh, New Orleans. Oh, that's right. That's right. Uh, wow. I

00:06:37.440 saw that. My, we, my wife and I went to see them in Brooklyn over the summer. It was like

00:06:42.600 a crazy week of like fucking gigs because we got there and Korn and System of a Down were

00:06:49.360 playing. So we went to that and I've never seen shit like that. And that was fucking amazing.

00:06:53.900 With Brian Walsh, was he playing? Yeah. Yeah. But that was the gig where a guy was like

00:06:57.980 jerking off in the stands like. Oh, in Brooklyn? No, this is in, uh, at the stadium. What's

00:07:04.740 it called? MetLife Stadium. Oh yeah. And then it was all over the internet. There's a guy

00:07:09.000 jerking off. And there he is. Oh, that's a trap beat. Bro, that's playing in 808, huh?

00:07:15.920 He's really upset at that point of the, but a guy runs over and like smacks him. I was at

00:07:21.740 that gig, but I was on the floor, so I had nothing to do. Oh, you were down there in

00:07:26.080 the recipient. Maybe he was looking at me right there. You never know. Oh, that dude's just

00:07:30.260 serving a little bit of body butter. That dude's just making his own vending machine, dude.

00:07:35.420 I mean, look, this guy's had enough of you, man. Bro, to run up and hit a guy who's jerking

00:07:40.540 off is insane, though. Unless maybe he's a, that's what he wanted. He couldn't really get

00:07:45.400 it together unless he got punched in the back of the skull. Yeah, good point. Maybe

00:07:49.020 that was his. His plan all along. Wow, this guy's really onto something. Wow. I'm so glad

00:07:55.500 I can get off easier than that. I was at that show. I was at Nine Inch Nails and then we

00:08:00.120 went to Oasis. Oh, amazing, huh? Yeah, it was a great week. But I tell you, Nine Inch Nails

00:08:05.660 was unbelievably good show. I mean, it was so theatrical, so visual. It was, it was, there

00:08:14.820 was also like a real human part, too. I mean, I was just so impressed. Yeah, I heard the

00:08:18.660 effects on this tour. It's supposed to be pretty amazing. Did it just kick off? No, this

00:08:21.780 is the second half of it, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they did half of it last year. Yeah,

00:08:25.940 I haven't gotten to talk to my friend. He's seen like four videos last night, though, so

00:08:28.720 it was pretty cool. Just to have like moments from our childhood, you know, that you just

00:08:32.020 like, and for like 30 seconds each time I was like back in these moments where you're

00:08:36.260 like feeling something, you know? Yeah, well, that's, I see some concerts now are less

00:08:43.420 phone driven than they used to be. You know what I mean? Like people want to be there

00:08:47.620 more. I think so. I think you're right. And I think it's funny when you see like when

00:08:51.940 it's juxtaposed with like the, if you see some footage from like concerts before phones

00:08:57.780 and everyone is focused on the same fucking thing. And it's really, you know, about some

00:09:05.860 other sort of interaction. Yeah, and you'd have a, you'd almost have a like a, it was like

00:09:10.560 you're riding a wave during a concert. Like you'd find somebody that had a beer.

00:09:14.760 Emotional. Yes, you're there and then you connect with a girl, but she disappears and

00:09:18.540 then you're like, oh, wait, I'm here with my wife. And then that's there. Concerts

00:09:21.660 were every, I mean, they were, it was a different thing before. I mean, they can still have magical

00:09:26.100 moments, you know, people can still be involved. Yeah. But your friend would go off to get

00:09:31.340 like, and then somebody would go off to get beverages and you would never see, like that

00:09:34.780 person. They were gone. Never saw them since. Yeah. Oh, dude, dude. There was just something

00:09:41.160 about experiences like that. There was something about like, like, I always feel like the best

00:09:46.380 music was during my childhood, but I don't know if that stunts my appreciation for music

00:09:51.880 as an adult. You know what it is? I don't think it's about it being the best music. I think

00:09:56.920 my wife and I were talking about this because she's like an anthropologist when, like, when

00:10:02.460 she sees like some teenagers, like sitting on the sidewalk, smoking cigarettes, she's

00:10:06.740 like, we need to study them. Look at them. This has been going on forever, you know? But

00:10:11.140 I feel like, let's, you know, I'll do the drawings. But I think what it is, and we talk

00:10:17.320 about it is when you're a teenager or you're an adolescent, you're so alive in a different

00:10:24.180 way for the first time from the childhood alive to like this, oh, this, now my, the way the

00:10:30.900 world feels to me is going to be something different. And when that music comes, it's

00:10:35.920 like fucking imprinted on like this fresh, you know what I mean? There's no, no one is

00:10:43.420 swollen at that age.

00:10:44.940 Yeah. Before that, you're kind of pulp. And this is like the, this is like the first time

00:10:48.820 you're a piece of paper.

00:10:49.460 But I get it, but it makes sense. You know what I mean? Cause I'm not, I feel that, I

00:10:52.880 mean, I'm lucky that I'm not nostalgic. I don't really care about nostalgia.

00:10:57.900 Oh, you don't get into that.

00:10:59.180 It doesn't make me, things are the way they are when they're happening. And yes, there

00:11:04.800 could be an aspect of something like, oh, I remember when I first heard that record,

00:11:09.120 but I don't listen to like a record, like, I don't know, it could be anything. Um, even

00:11:16.240 if it was from the 80, I don't know, something like Let's Active. There's a band from North

00:11:19.840 Carolina, Mitch Easter.

00:11:21.080 Let's Active?

00:11:21.880 Yeah. Loved Let's Active.

00:11:23.140 Bring them up. I want to see them.

00:11:24.100 Yeah. And, but if I hear that, I'm like, I'm not back in my, my mom and dad's house.

00:11:28.560 I'm like, oh, listen, how cool that guitar sound. You know, it, music has always made

00:11:32.600 it alive. The room, wherever I am.

00:11:36.620 Well, does it? Yeah. It's funny. Cause a lot of music, I think I immediately go back

00:11:40.980 to place. I'm like a nostalgia junkie. I'm like this, I'm like a romanticist, like let's

00:11:45.400 go back in time kind of guy. And I think I miss out on probably a lot of like life and present

00:11:50.520 moments sometimes like that. But, um, I don't know if I'm that upset about it. Maybe that's

00:11:54.900 just who I am on this trip.

00:11:55.980 No, no. I mean, I, I don't think that's necessarily. Yeah. I mean, I, I mean, that's also just dreaming.

00:12:03.360 And yeah, maybe it is. And I loved, I just love, like, I think I just loved some of those

00:12:07.580 years.

00:12:07.660 I mean, are you kidding? If I could like, if I could dress like a, you know, 17th century

00:12:14.460 French aristocrat, I would, you know, I'd walk around with the wig and the like pants

00:12:19.480 and I would like, you know.

00:12:21.500 Oh yeah. If they had chain mail.

00:12:22.960 And I would feel great about it. I mean, I would feel great about it. That's a little,

00:12:25.500 yeah.

00:12:26.120 But if they had chain mail, like if you showed up to like, say there was going to be people

00:12:28.660 like there might be beef at this thing.

00:12:30.100 Yeah. I mean, I think there was kind of always beef at those things.

00:12:32.840 Yeah. That's a good point too. Yeah. So, so somebody that showed up in chain mail was just

00:12:36.200 like a dude, like who showed up with.

00:12:37.780 The richest, most powerful people are the most unhinged. Obviously they're like run him

00:12:42.640 through, run him through.

00:12:45.820 I think we're there now, dude.

00:12:47.660 I don't think it's ever been any different.

00:12:49.860 Yeah.

00:12:50.520 I mean, I, I, I, I, I also think the resistance is always there.

00:12:54.880 Yeah. I also, you know what I mean? I also think the moral compass will always show the

00:13:00.040 way, uh, to what is right and what is wrong. And that doesn't have anything to do. That's

00:13:06.500 just a fundamental, we know what's right and wrong.

00:13:09.920 Yeah.

00:13:10.480 You know what I mean? And.

00:13:11.780 You believe that. Yeah.

00:13:12.980 I do. Because I've seen it happen. I mean, by the way, sometimes it doesn't come without

00:13:17.560 a full on struggle.

00:13:22.640 Yeah. Um.

00:13:23.840 Cause I've been worrying about that a lot recently. I'm like, you have to like, like, we

00:13:28.580 gotta believe that morality wins, you know, somehow.

00:13:33.460 Yeah. No, but, but again, these things are in a constant sort of struggle that keep going

00:13:39.780 and going. I mean, forever. I mean, I know we like to think that.

00:13:44.980 I know it's all now. Yeah. It's all our life. That life was, you know, there was Victorian

00:13:50.160 people and then Crocs and airports, you know what I mean? But there's some other shit that

00:13:55.320 happened in between your comfort and, uh, you know, robber barons or whatever. Um, but there

00:14:03.780 is a, there is a constant line in it, you know what I mean? And so I don't know. What did

00:14:09.500 they say? What's that Clint Eastwood movie where the grit? No, it's one of the, but it's

00:14:15.740 like a mid seventies one. But the guy who's like, put his plays like the native American

00:14:22.820 guy. He, when they're talking about the troubles, he goes, we must endeavor to persevere. And

00:14:29.820 ever since I was a kid, I was like, yeah. Oh, it's the outlaw Jesse Wales. That's the one.

00:14:35.280 Oh, I've heard of that. I've never seen it.

00:14:36.700 Oh, it's great. Is it? Great. Yeah. I'm about to check that out, man. The outlaw Jesse

00:14:40.840 Wales, Josie Wales. Josie Wales. Yeah. And they just remade it. I think actually. No, don't

00:14:45.540 do it. I know. Rarely have, rarely have they done it well. It's weird. Why? Leave it alone.

00:14:51.560 Just come up with something else. I think it's just to get people that saw it once with nostalgia

00:14:55.300 to go get them to, Hey, come pay for it one more time. And just, you know, you know, it's

00:14:59.480 not going to be that good, but there's a part of you that's going to connect. I don't really

00:15:02.180 love musicals, but I love West Side Story. Yeah. I like newsies. I always did.

00:15:06.700 You know? Yeah. And as a lyricist, one of the greatest lyrics of all time is in the

00:15:12.380 Officer Crumpke song. When the kid goes, I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived. And

00:15:17.700 I was always like, that's like fucking Bob Dylan. I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived.

00:15:22.040 I mean, it is one of the great lyrics of all time, but then Steven Spielberg remakes

00:15:28.280 West Side Story. I don't get it. I want, I mean, he didn't call me. He didn't ask

00:15:35.060 my, what your opinion, but yeah, I mean, I'm sure, you know, that's Steve. I mean, he's

00:15:39.500 going to do what he wants to do.

00:15:41.940 Yeah, man. Yeah. I wonder if I had made something wonderful. Would I try and remake it later on?

00:15:48.440 Like, I wonder what my desire would be in that. I mean that I, I don't, yeah, I wouldn't,

00:15:54.920 I don't understand that. Is there times like that in your career where you've written like

00:15:59.920 music that you really thought was great or that had commercial successes or something? And

00:16:04.840 then later, have you ever like been like, I need to try and get myself back into that

00:16:10.880 space to write music like that again, as instead of trying to be like, I'm writing music from,

00:16:16.880 from, uh, where I'm at? No. Does it make sense? Yeah. I hear you, but I'm not, I've, I've

00:16:21.760 always found it to be, I don't know. I've always found it to be the most sort of fulfilling just

00:16:29.980 to be in the moment, you know, which is difficult too, because, you know, it's hard, you know,

00:16:36.480 it's hard to, I, I've, it's hard to remain in the dream place sometimes. It's not hard for

00:16:42.920 me. It's hard for everyone else because you have to deal, you know, I'm a husband, I have

00:16:48.500 kids, you know, I pets, I have pets. So demanding, so much pressure from the pets. Uh, but the

00:17:00.560 reality is I can't fully remove myself from the dream place or the muse or whatever you

00:17:06.760 want to call it because I, I do understand that it's a very jealous entity and it will

00:17:14.160 leave you if you're not, it has to have its proper place. What does you're saying? The

00:17:21.120 muse, you know what I mean? That creative spark. It's like quest for fire. Do you know that

00:17:25.420 movie? Ever seen quest for fire? Dude, we have to have a movie night. I mean, you're missing

00:17:28.940 a lot of quest for fire. I've seen, whoa. The best, the best. I look like I'm related

00:17:34.960 to one of those people. We all are. We all are. There we go. I've seen, I think the first

00:17:40.300 movie I ever saw was either like Jason Voorhees, like the killer guy at the lake. And then, um,

00:17:46.920 there was the movie, uh, it was, uh, the guy, where the guy, the older guy, he has the Coke

00:17:53.820 bottle and he throws it in Africa or whatever. The gods must be crazy. Yes. Yeah. Okay. That's

00:17:58.620 a pretty, yeah. And Cheech and Chong, that was an early one too. That kid, that was like

00:18:02.780 still kind of popping. Oh, look at this guy. My first movie, I remember watching my parents

00:18:07.560 let me stay up and watch Lord of the Flies. Fuck yeah. Nothing could be wrong with that.

00:18:14.740 That kind of fits, you know? I was like, cool. He'll like this. And I did. I fucking did.

00:18:22.780 That's crazy, bro. Yeah. That's great, dude. Just like early influence and stuff. I love

00:18:28.900 that kind of stuff. But the first movie I remember we, I always saw Patton with George C. Scott

00:18:33.960 in the driver and movie theater in my parents' car. No, with them. Do you know that film?

00:18:39.320 You know, cause it has that music. I've seen this. I've never seen the film. It's good

00:18:43.200 too. Oh my God. It's epic. Like psycho general Patton. Dude. Yeah. I saw, oh, psycho George C.

00:18:50.780 Scott doing it. I mean, he's really. I got to tap in then. Yeah. I'm just kind of out

00:18:54.920 of touch with some films. I did just, I started reading All's Quiet on the Western Front last

00:18:59.640 night though. Amazing. And the original, both of the films, the original one is unbelievably

00:19:06.080 good. If you've ever, you should watch it. That's the one that they remade that was like

00:19:11.980 on Netflix or something that was great. But that's the original one. The remake is good?

00:19:16.720 The remake was fantastic. Oh, that's what I'm doing tonight. Watch the original one first

00:19:21.080 though. Okay. Don't sell yourself short. Okay. Go to the, go to the source. Yeah. But

00:19:27.440 now here's a situation. It's incredible. It's incredible. Here's a situation where they made

00:19:30.440 another one and it was good. But I guess it's not like a part two though. No. And you're

00:19:37.120 right. That is it. That is it. They did a good job. I loved it. I loved the modern one.

00:19:41.300 But the original one is, to me, holds like the real magic of the thing. Okay. I did

00:19:48.840 see The Jury. What's that movie, The Jury? It's like 12 Man. It's like...

00:19:52.380 12 Angry Men. Yes, dude. It's a big one. Louis C.K. told me to watch that and he was

00:19:56.560 right, dude. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. I appreciate it. I appreciate the recommendations.

00:20:01.120 I don't get a ton. Like... I'm lucky because I'm old enough that when, you know, I grew up

00:20:06.300 in Atlanta, we had three channels and then we had channel 36 or whatever and TBS and

00:20:12.720 they played fucking movies. Yeah. Because later it splinters off to Turner Classic Movies

00:20:16.980 or whatever. But when, when there wasn't that much, there was, there's not that much content,

00:20:24.920 you know? Oh, there wasn't much at all. Beastmaster, remember when that came on? On TBS, dude?

00:20:29.420 Yeah. Beastmaster, the guy with those ferrets? For 10 years. That's right. The ferrets.

00:20:34.120 Remember this? Dude, that was crazy. Some white guy from WWF tickling a couple of pets. Dude,

00:20:41.260 I was like, what is going on here? Yeah, really? All those fantasy movies are really strange.

00:20:46.340 Dude, I loved times like that. We would ride our bikes to go get the videos at the video store

00:20:50.580 and they had like those Wild West doors on like the titty area. You know those?

00:20:55.620 Watch it. I'm a product of like the early eighties, you know, VHS boom. And my parents

00:21:04.060 had moved, they had made the regretful decision to move to the suburbs. That's the worst blow

00:21:13.000 in life. You know what I mean?

00:21:14.220 In Atlanta, if you moved from the city to the subs?

00:21:16.240 Well, we had moved to Charlotte and then when we moved back, yeah, we were in town and then

00:21:19.700 we moved to the sub. But my parents also, this is at the ripe time of them really being too

00:21:25.980 disinterested in my life to like edit what I was doing. So it was the great time at these stores of

00:21:33.700 like the midnight movies and European movies. You know what I mean? And I had the fucking pick of

00:21:39.940 whatever weird shit we wanted to watch. Like I remember my dad seeing us watching a racer head

00:21:47.580 back then and he was just like, why are you doing this to yourself? What is wrong with you?

00:21:54.220 I'm like, dad, it's, I mean, we would watch, we would watch David Lynch's The Elephant Man

00:21:59.920 like, oh yes, all the time. You know what I mean? Like it's not a, it's, it's not a lark.

00:22:06.200 Yeah, dude, this isn't a one time. Like this, we would like play it again. You know what I mean?

00:22:11.740 Like what the fuck? Were you like an angry child? Like where do you, cause like music usually comes

00:22:16.360 from like some feeling of youth. I feel like, like a lot of that blast off energy does like

00:22:21.140 real music, like real, like, you know, like whether you're going to become a musician or like a

00:22:25.960 anarchist or a peeping Tom, that shit comes out of your childhood, you know? Do you feel like that?

00:22:31.920 Crime and art. Yes. Yes. Fuck yeah.

00:22:35.240 Vandalism and art. Yeah. Yeah. There was the bad kid part of it. And I think that's always been

00:22:44.760 associated with rock and roll, at least in our case, cause we just gravitated. That, that was our

00:22:51.920 shit. Like we were into music. So now we're in a band and let's go. How do we get in the grownup club

00:23:00.460 to play? You know, we were kids, you know, how do we get in there? It's like, well, get, write some

00:23:05.440 songs, you know, get better, get up there, do something. And, but it was, yeah, always the bad.

00:23:12.680 Was your brother the same? I know. Cause you, he's not a bad kid. I mean, he kind of is bad and he was

00:23:18.460 down for vandalism and shit too, but he's not as bad. He's down for vandalism. Yeah. That has to

00:23:25.680 be going his head still if he ever passes away. Down for vandalism and shit. Occasionally. Sorry

00:23:31.080 to admit it. You know, it gets like more of, you're going to need another stone. Yeah. Yeah. Oh dude,

00:23:37.340 that'd be great. Two stones. Cause you're just, cause yeah, there's a little more to tell about

00:23:41.980 them. Um, people don't get buried anymore though. Yeah. Did you see that stat that like,

00:23:47.420 they're like, where are all the bodies going? Yeah. Well, I mean, they're throwing them in

00:23:53.260 Lake Lanier or something. I don't know. Yeah. Where all the ashes go. I want you to take me

00:23:59.880 up to the top of stone mountain. I don't want you to throw my ashes all over those Confederate

00:24:03.540 fuckers up there. Right. Dude. One of my friends works at TSA. He said that I was like, what's

00:24:08.220 some of the things that had been left in the thing? Ashes. He said four times they've

00:24:12.160 had people that left somebody's ashes and never came back to get them. Where's Uncle Larry?

00:24:16.080 Oh, I'm. He's at a layover. Yeah, totally. What happened? I, I asked you to go pick up

00:24:21.960 your uncle racist, your, your racist uncle Seth's ashes. What are you doing to them? I fucking

00:24:28.100 left him on the plane. Fuck, they're in Salt Lake City. Yeah. God. But that's wild, bro,

00:24:34.820 that it ends up like that. Um, like I came online probably like as a human and maybe just

00:24:41.840 like my brother listening to stuff like Dio, um, GNR, um, Black Crowes, one of the early

00:24:48.440 albums that he had, you know, watching him like move his body. Our family could never

00:24:52.360 dance well and he would kind of like, and we shared a room, you know, and sometimes he

00:24:55.820 would set his weights down and fucking put it on and make me watch him kind of, which

00:24:59.240 was the first time he and I ever like kind of engaged. Listen, man, I'm going to put my

00:25:02.660 weights down and I'm going to boogie a little bit. You cool with that? That's never happened

00:25:07.220 to me. It was kind of crazy, but it was like, you know what? This is more of my, I'm going

00:25:11.000 to take down this badminton set. Then we're going to have some canopies and then you're

00:25:18.880 going to all watch me dance. Yeah. So yeah, a little different. Yeah. I didn't take, I

00:25:24.860 didn't lift weights. Yeah. He just like, yeah. But that was like when I first kind of came

00:25:28.880 on with music and like watching it through my brother and, and it's funny, that was

00:25:32.360 the way a lot of people got, you know, I didn't, I wouldn't have known about like my

00:25:37.640 dad, we, my dad had like Johnny Guitar Watson records and Jimmy Reed records and Bob Dylan

00:25:43.960 and a lot of Moe's Allison and all sorts of eclectic stuff, but more kind of stuff. But

00:25:50.080 my neighbor up the street, his older brother, he had like all the Aerosmith records and shit.

00:25:56.020 So we would like, and his mom was a dance teacher. So she had a stereo with this big

00:26:01.360 loud speaker on it and we would get down there and fucking, that's when I was like, oh, I

00:26:06.220 like Aerosmith, you know? Dude. Yeah. ACDC. Cause that's the time you're around the neighborhood

00:26:11.860 pool, you know? So everyone at the pool would be like back in black. When that shit came

00:26:16.820 out, it was on the radio every five minutes. You know what I mean? And you were like, damn.

00:26:21.980 Dude. You remember when the radio was like this omen and if it served you your song,

00:26:25.840 it was just, it felt like a volcano had gone off just for you. It was exciting. Oh. And

00:26:31.960 we all had it in common. That was one thing too. That was one thing that I liked about.

00:26:35.680 And you think all the records were good, but it was really just a promo guy getting like

00:26:40.720 hookers and like steaks and lobsters to the radio program director and be like, fucking

00:26:45.680 play this record. You'll get a BJ out of this. You know what I mean? Like, all right.

00:26:49.080 I fucking love this record. Oh, dude. These guys are like back with Turner Overdrive, but

00:26:55.520 even better. And they have such a mix. If you like, if you like BTO, you're going to fucking

00:27:02.660 love these guys. Whoa. Yeah, dude. So many of those radio stations. I worked as a tour manager

00:27:11.800 one time for a guy, uh, for a musician. And we would go to, um, this guy, Josh Kelly,

00:27:16.820 actually, he's out of Georgia as well. He's from Augusta, Georgia. Um, his brother, Charles

00:27:20.140 Kelly played with Lady Antebellum. And, but we would, I was his tour manager. So we would

00:27:24.860 just go all around to these radio stations and I'd have to get them like, uh, donuts and

00:27:29.020 stuff in the morning and coffee. But you're right. They'd be like at 11 o'clock today, we're

00:27:32.740 having lobsters. Like, it's like listening, listening for lobster and you'd have like

00:27:36.740 just some Muppets show up. Snow tires. You know what? When the Black Crows came out, I

00:27:40.940 bought a lot of snow tires. I didn't know I was buying them till later in life when they

00:27:45.860 show what you paid for because you're the only fucking band selling like 6 million records.

00:27:50.340 You're like, who's got a new set of snow tires at WW whatever in Bangor, Maine? You know

00:27:57.020 what I mean? Like, oh, they fucking played She Talks Angels 150 times last week. You know

00:28:01.360 what I mean? Dude, that was, yeah, that's when it was more like a music mafia kind of thing.

00:28:05.820 Don't get me wrong. A lot of good, a good song is a good song. Yeah. And, and there's a reason

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00:31:00.620 that memory road of those times, you know. Was your, were you like, cause it's, God, I feel like

00:31:06.900 it'd be hard to do something with your brother, dude, but also kind of special you can if you

00:31:10.680 really. I mean, it took us a long time to get to the, how special it is for us. Who's a, who's a

00:31:17.400 better brother, do you think? Um, well, obviously me. I mean, it doesn't even matter who's right or

00:31:26.600 wrong. It's me. Of course. I mean, that, what a ridiculous question. I mean, I'm all, I'm, and

00:31:33.960 that's your Christmas card. I'm older. I'm older. I'm Sagittarian. I'm the lead singer. It's me.

00:31:40.100 Yeah. I don't know. I think. Like the things you really admire about him. Like my brother,

00:31:46.040 I think is way better than me. Yeah. I don't really size it up like that, but the things

00:31:50.860 I admire about him, uh, are the same things that like ultimately I like, you know, he's

00:31:58.260 a, he's a, has an amazing heart inside of him and he's a really genuinely sweet person.

00:32:07.860 He's very not, you know what I mean? Um, the other things I love about him, he's, and again,

00:32:16.360 you know what I mean? When things are going, when you're kids and all of a sudden you're in a local

00:32:19.800 band and then six months later, you're selling millions of records and everything's different.

00:32:24.540 Everything has changed. The pressure's on now, you know, blah, blah, blah. I always knew my brother

00:32:31.160 was talented. I chose to, you know, we've, we were writing these songs together. We've always been the,

00:32:36.700 Rich and I's composition are the, is the engine for whatever the Black Crows are. It's been that

00:32:42.480 way since we, before it was anything. But now I can, especially cause you know, we made this

00:32:50.020 last record and Rich plays all the bass and all the guitars. And I'm like, dude, I've fucking sat

00:32:54.520 in the studio with him since first time we're in the studio is 1987 or something. I've seen him do

00:33:00.140 amazing things, you know, like beautiful music, inspired, dynamic things. And, but now I see

00:33:09.540 like, Oh wow. I really see it more than ever because I, I've, my perspective of what he is,

00:33:18.720 isn't tainted by any of my bullshit, whether that's my anger, resentment, ego shit, whatever.

00:33:25.900 Oh yeah. Ego is so dangerous. And I could see it really now so much clearer that it's

00:33:33.780 like, uh, and by the way, when I say that we live in a world, throw a foot, you're in

00:33:41.700 Nashville, throw a rock, hit a great guitar player. You know what I mean? There's so many

00:33:46.220 talented people, so many talented musicians. And, and that is just the way it is, you know,

00:33:55.080 but I really see my brother, I see his uniqueness and I see how special he really is in his,

00:34:03.980 in, in that world of guitarists. And I've got to play with some of the best music, you

00:34:08.400 know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's cool. That's cool to hear. So lucky. That's a nice,

00:34:11.480 that's a nice thought. That's a nice compliment too, I think. Um, if you ask Rich about me,

00:34:16.240 he'd say, yeah, he's all right. He's pretty good. Did, um, how, how tough was it during

00:34:24.740 some times? Like, was there ever a part where you guys were like, not only are we not going

00:34:27.760 to keep playing? I mean, I know you guys have storied throughout the years. It's been like,

00:34:31.220 you know, I'm sure like with any brothers or with any bands where it's like things go

00:34:34.940 apart, things come back together. But was there ever a part where you're like, shit, we might

00:34:38.080 not even be brothers after this, you know? Uh, yeah. I mean, the, like 2013 was like the

00:34:45.740 last Black Crow thing before we, and yeah. Um, I mean, we went a long time without, seven

00:34:56.420 years without speaking. No way. Um. And would you have certain feelings sometimes, like you

00:35:02.140 wanted to talk to him or sometimes did that stuff get clouded by like resentment and stuff?

00:35:05.780 Cause I, I've had moments like that with family members.

00:35:08.080 Yeah, you know what, I personally, it was also kind of important to take the fucking

00:35:11.400 kettle off the flame a little bit. Cause sometimes those things and your work and your relationship,

00:35:17.860 you know, and these, all of it was just to me, like a kettle on the stove. Just no one's

00:35:24.360 going to, no one's going to flip the thing. So it stops like, um, but I think he needed

00:35:31.020 that too. So it wasn't, I mean, we, I was, I was, yeah, whatever. I was ugly and mean.

00:35:38.800 I lashed out when I shouldn't have, I should have reached out. You know what I mean?

00:35:43.880 Yeah, dude. I've held resentments that were only like, and I was the only one thinking about

00:35:48.880 him. Some weren't even real. That's the craziest shit.

00:35:51.720 Of course, of course. That's the craziest shit.

00:35:53.360 You think people give a fuck and they don't, you know what I mean? About whatever you're doing

00:35:57.360 sometimes. Oh, I mean, I've been, I've been lucky too, to just have whatever, you know,

00:36:04.620 um, to keep it moving. Yeah. It sounds like that. And I don't, I really don't like to,

00:36:10.860 it's exactly, you know, I've tried to for better, for worse, not to be a liar in my life because

00:36:16.480 the idea of telling someone a line and having to remember what the fuck you said, that wasn't

00:36:21.760 the real thing that happened or however it happened to you or, you know, everyone's truth

00:36:26.900 is their own thing or whatever. But yeah. But you know what I mean? They would be the

00:36:30.300 same thing. Anything kind of fake or whatever. I'd rather, I'm cool. You know, not everybody

00:36:37.900 has to think I'm great. You know, I got, but meaning also I don't have to act a certain

00:36:44.800 way to pretend that that's something that is, well, it's just not normal. It's just not,

00:36:52.020 you know what I mean? Oh yeah. Well, a lot, I was just thinking of this as you were saying

00:36:54.840 it, dude. I was like, you cut your head kind of turns into like, to like a library.

00:36:57.840 I know that's kind of like a dumb play on words, but it's like, now I have to go back

00:37:01.240 in the show. Figure out what the fuck. I mean, that would be exhausting. Oh, dude, that was

00:37:05.820 a lot of like, you know, like I think I was probably lying to survive. I don't even know

00:37:10.360 what I was doing. Like for, I think for certain years of my childhood, I was like, I don't

00:37:12.920 even know what's going on, but like, I'm still alive. I'm going to keep going. And then

00:37:16.840 one day you start to kind of get a little bit better perspective of yourself. Um, and things

00:37:21.680 start to adjust a little bit. Um, was it, was y'all's band always going to be, uh, the

00:37:27.000 Black Crows? Was there ever anything else it was going to be? I know it had different

00:37:29.320 names before that, but we were missed a band called Mr. Crows Garden in Atlanta. Yeah.

00:37:33.600 Was it ever going to be a different animal though? It was always Crows. Yeah. I mean,

00:37:37.240 maybe we, I don't really, yeah, we didn't want to, we liked being, people just referred

00:37:43.620 to your band and the, like those guys are in the Crows or whatever. Right. So we, I mean,

00:37:49.120 I don't know. We liked that. And that's why we kept the E in the name because Mr. Crow

00:37:53.480 was the guy's name in this book, Mr. Crow's Garden. Um, that this girl had in her dorm at

00:38:01.480 the University of Georgia and she showed it to me and that's just the way it was. Like,

00:38:04.500 oh yeah, cool. It's like psychedelic and like kind of sixties. And we liked that aesthetic.

00:38:11.940 And, um, but yeah, by the time, you know, I, I remember we drove up, there was a place called

00:38:19.760 Rome, Georgia. Oh yeah. I've heard of it. I think I did a show actually. And, uh, no,

00:38:23.840 maybe I didn't. I've heard of it. Yeah. It's north, kind of east of Atlanta, I think. Uh,

00:38:28.940 there used to be, I don't know if it's still there, a boarding school called Darlington or

00:38:32.680 whatever. My dad went there and my brother went to boarding school there, which is funny. Um,

00:38:39.020 and there was a little club there and we had a gig and we drove up there and we had made

00:38:44.360 our first album and we drove up there and I remember driving, you remember? A van, like

00:38:50.260 we had a van, it was probably my dad's van or something he let us use. Fuck yeah, dad. We

00:38:54.260 drove up there. Way to go, big Stan. And, uh, we said it like by the time we fucking rolled

00:38:59.940 in the parking lot, we'd be like, we're the Black Crows. Everybody hip to that? Like, this

00:39:03.680 is what it is. We're the Black Crows. That's what we are. We go in, we go in,

00:39:09.020 and we fucking set up our shit. We do soundcheck and we're playing Jealous Again, Twice as

00:39:15.380 Hard, like songs that would later, you know, that record would be. Yeah, for sure. The

00:39:19.880 band, we get off stage, there's a bar down the street. We're going to go have a couple

00:39:23.240 drinks. The band that is opening for us was like a dad and like his daughter and their

00:39:28.700 like cousin or some family shit. And they were like, they set up and we were like, all right,

00:39:34.840 like weird. So we come back, we're the Black Crows. We walk in the club. There's the only

00:39:42.140 people there are the dad, the daughter, and the cousin in the band. And they're sitting

00:39:47.020 at a table eating Subway sandwiches. And I'm like, we're the Black Crows. And we played

00:39:52.140 Jealous Again. And they're just like eating their sandwiches. They're like, three people,

00:39:57.600 four people. I was like, oh, fucking hell, this isn't going well. Those are school. And

00:40:02.220 it was at a school? No, it was at a club. Yeah. But just somehow they put these. Oh,

00:40:06.980 yeah. People on, you know, the family on the bill. The only way this story could be better

00:40:13.720 is if they had been a Christian group. But I don't know. I can only hope. One time there

00:40:19.540 was a guy that was kind of hitting me up. I don't know if he was a pedophile and he thought

00:40:22.560 I was younger. Let's hope he was. Oh, for sure, dude. Because look, he needed something

00:40:28.080 to do in his older years. But maybe he thought I was young enough. Because a lot of times

00:40:31.960 pedophiles will... He's like, I'm so bored. Yeah. Yeah. It's time to commit a crime against

00:40:39.240 all nature. But I'm just saying that like, because sometimes pedophiles will drive by

00:40:45.280 and you'll be like, no, I'm 40, you know? Like they just don't, you know what I'm saying?

00:40:48.240 It's your hair. Yeah. And some of them don't have good glasses. It's all types of things.

00:40:51.840 It's eyewear. It's healthcare. It's a lot of stuff, but... The guy's not wearing his

00:40:56.020 prescription. He's wearing the glasses with the big nose because he's on the sex offenders

00:41:00.860 registry. He doesn't want anyone to recognize him. Well, I miss the old pedophile that at

00:41:07.000 least had like the peeping Tom, like the ladder hanging out of the back of the truck. Like

00:41:10.480 the... The old pedophile was your family. Like, don't sit on Uncle Oscar's lap. You know

00:41:15.760 what I mean? They're like, why would they invite the pedophile uncle? He's like, kids want

00:41:20.140 some quarters? Like, no. You know what we want? We want justice for your victims. He's

00:41:26.740 like, yeah. You fucking sick fuck. That's what we want. He's like, I got to roll the

00:41:30.240 quarters in the middle of my pants. And you're like, that's crazy. Who wants to dig for loose

00:41:34.860 change? Like, fuck, you know? But dude, those are the... Back when they had pedophiles, it

00:41:40.460 was just a different time. I mean, now they have them, but now they're like rich people are

00:41:43.420 doing it. Dude, I was thinking the other day, there's a famous character. It could be on Sonny

00:41:47.780 and Cher or Maude or anything. The guy who runs over in a coat and like... Totally. It's like,

00:41:55.080 that's a character on movies and TV shows and he'd have a hat on and he'd run over there.

00:42:01.640 That's a guy. Yeah. It was a thing that was on, you just saw it as a kid on TV. I'll

00:42:07.300 go, hey, there's that guy. As if he was a colorful neighborhood character. Yeah. Like a dude

00:42:12.940 selling... It's fucking horrible. Yeah. By the way, that's a flasher bizarre raincoat

00:42:19.580 people, which is a great band name. We're flasher bizarre raincoat people. You're going to

00:42:27.760 love us. I mean, really love us. Well, I'll tell you this. I remember one time my uncle,

00:42:33.520 I was in Atlanta and I didn't really know him. It was like a girl. My dad had like a

00:42:37.900 daughter from his first marriage. He drops me off over there. She had an Italian husband

00:42:41.240 who was like, send me out of work, kind of had an advertising agency and played mariachi

00:42:45.720 music at night. Right. So he takes me to the wine shop or whatever. Cause I think he wanted

00:42:50.440 to go talk to a woman. So he just dropped me off in there for a little while. A flasher comes

00:42:55.580 up. A lady goes, I remember this. She's like, have you seen my kitty? And I was, I'm thinking

00:43:00.300 like, I was probably 12 maybe. And I'm like, I'm in this store and I'm just like looking

00:43:04.220 at these big bottles. They had some big bottles of wine. And I was thinking like, I don't know.

00:43:08.280 I don't think so. And then she just showed her body like that, the front of her body or,

00:43:12.680 you know, cooter and breasts or whatever. And I didn't know what had happened really.

00:43:16.400 I didn't know if I was in trouble. Cooter and breasts. That's the new pub. Everyone's

00:43:20.340 going to in Nashville. It's right over by donuts and dildos. Yeah. There's a father

00:43:25.560 and daughter. We don't go there anymore. There's a father and daughter in there eating

00:43:28.360 Subway right now as you pull up. But, uh, but that was a crazy time where I saw a flasher.

00:43:34.120 That is fucking weird. In the liquor store. In the liquor store. Good. How old were you?

00:43:37.940 I was probably 12 maybe. That's the perfect place for you to be when you're 12. Yeah.

00:43:40.940 Why don't you just wander around the, why don't you wander around the French whites over

00:43:45.960 there? Yes. Those are Bordeaux's. Yeah. That's a puif we say if you want. Yeah. Yeah. But

00:43:50.540 you know, uh, if you don't like the fume, it's nice as well. I'll be back in an hour and

00:43:55.460 a half. Have some salted peanuts. Yeah. But fuck, that was the days when any other, any building

00:44:03.000 that was open was kind of a babysitter, you know, like parents would just drop you off

00:44:07.200 or like significant people in your life. The day my parents realized like they could split

00:44:11.740 for the weekend and like Rich and I probably wouldn't die. They were gone. You know what

00:44:16.280 I mean? Like here they would leave, put like, this is an emergency $20 bill. Yeah. And then

00:44:22.660 it would be like, there's two gallons of ice cream and steakums in the refrigerator. Yeah.

00:44:26.960 They had these things called steakums and they were like. Bring them up. Those bitches

00:44:29.900 were nasty. Bring them up. Thin slices of some sort. Steakums. Every time you ate them, a dolphin

00:44:36.740 died somewhere. By the way, I mean, hey, Post Malone, you should get steak.

00:44:41.720 Steakum on your face. That would look cool. You know what I mean? Face, whoever, who's

00:44:46.140 got face tattoos? Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll. Get fucking Steakum. Oh, he would definitely

00:44:50.220 be good for Steakum. Yeah. Slice, get the whole thing. You know what I mean? He should

00:44:53.120 get steak. Um, not anymore, you know, since he lost so much weight. Dude, that'd be crazy.

00:44:59.340 Steak. Um, no thanks. Yeah. No thanks. Dude, that's rocking, bro. At least on your neck

00:45:07.420 or something, Steakums. Did you, um, oh, Steakums, yeah, it is more of a neck thing

00:45:11.780 than a face thing. I think we're getting to that place where people are going to start

00:45:14.700 renting out their body spaces for exactly for tattoos, just people to survive. We're already

00:45:18.820 at the place where, you know, a lot of people are selling their bodies on OnlyFans and over

00:45:23.900 their phones and stuff like that. So it's definitely getting to a unique spot. What do you mean?

00:45:27.380 They're selling their bodies? Just like selling sexual videos and stuff. Oh, okay. I guess

00:45:31.820 that's not their bodies really, you know? I mean, it's their souls, but whatever. Yeah. I mean,

00:45:36.540 I'm just kidding. Actually, it might be more. Just kidding. It might be more souls. I'm not,

00:45:40.500 whatever. It's the oldest profession in the world. I agree. And look, I've supported it,

00:45:44.900 so I'm not, you know, no big judgment. You know what I mean? So like, look, I mean,

00:45:47.860 it's to you, I'm glad you have a healthy relationship with it after the kiddie lady at the

00:45:51.860 liquor store when you were 12. That's traumatic. I still try as hard as I can to remember what she

00:45:57.160 looked like and I can't exactly, I can remember the outline of her, but I can't remember like the

00:46:01.680 end line. And that's what I think I wanted to. I didn't see her, but if I close my eyes,

00:46:05.560 I see the green lady from Star Trek. Ooh, bring her up. I don't remember her exactly,

00:46:13.000 but I mean, I know it's your, there she is. It's her, right? Yeah, it was her. It was her,

00:46:19.620 dude. Sorry. God, dude. I knew it. But yeah, I definitely, I remember that. I'm trying to think

00:46:24.640 of what else. Kids today, they have everything at their fingertips. When we were kids, you had to

00:46:28.700 wait till the green lady episode of Star Trek came on, which is probably only once or twice a

00:46:32.860 year. Yeah. Oh, you had to play back a movie or play back a movie like, and try to pause it right

00:46:38.300 at the spot where there's a part of a tit or whatever. Yeah. I mean, it was, you know. And

00:46:41.880 you had to listen so hard for somebody coming in the front door because there's only one TV in the

00:46:45.940 living room. You didn't have your own TV in your room to play, touch your body to or whatever.

00:46:50.340 No, to put your weights down and touch your body. Yeah. Dance for your brother.

00:46:54.300 Or myself. Or whoever. Oh, once we got a mirror in my room, he didn't need me anymore. That

00:46:59.900 was the crazy part. That's the worst. It was, it was the wildest, dude. And we had a late-

00:47:05.760 It's good to know. That's a good, it's, you know, all of it is adding up, you know, the

00:47:10.940 rejection of that deep wound. Oh, dude. And the beaver lady, kitty lady. It was there.

00:47:19.840 Yeah. And you probably, did you ever work in a liquor store after that? You're like,

00:47:24.080 this is pretty nice. No, I worked at a shrimp in video, though. We had shrimp, we'd shrimp

00:47:27.820 by the pound and come rent a movie over there. Pat's shrimp in video.

00:47:31.440 And, but, did you have other movies other than Forrest Gump?

00:47:35.080 Yeah. I mean, it was 200 copies of Forrest Gump.

00:47:39.220 And one copy in the back of Foreskin Gump, which is a different movie altogether.

00:47:43.940 So. Bro, I had no fucking clue you were this hilarious, dude. That's awesome. Thank

00:47:49.720 you, bro. I was having a shitty day. I know. Forrest Gump usually isn't in the

00:47:53.200 press release before I show up, but I said, you know, fuck it. You're drinking

00:47:57.660 Sonic and shit. I'm like, might as well. You know what I mean? I'm like, man, you know

00:48:01.900 what I mean? After the whole Forrest Gump thing, I'm not getting any fucking, who's

00:48:07.120 going to have me? You know what I mean?

00:48:10.320 Forrest Gump, yeah. What did we get? What did we watch?

00:48:13.360 I actually saw that on the spine of a porno in New York in the old Tower Records by Lincoln

00:48:20.340 Center up there. To be honest with you, full disclosure, I wasn't in the porno section.

00:48:27.260 I was obviously going around to the free jazz documentaries. And no, I wasn't. But I saw

00:48:34.460 it. They didn't have.

00:48:38.200 Oh, is that guy in blackface?

00:48:39.620 They did it. Let's hope. Again, let's hope it's worse than we could ever imagine. But

00:48:45.220 they had all the covers off of the video. This was before DVDs. They had all the covers

00:48:51.000 off of them, but just the words in black. And there's a thousand words in my brain goes

00:48:56.720 da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Forrest Gump. I was like, I've never forgot it.

00:49:00.840 Dude, that's great. Yeah, I don't remember the first porno. I knew my, I saw they had a stack

00:49:05.000 of videos and I remember jerking off and blacking out. Um, I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't

00:49:11.280 handle having any feelings, especially not that much at once. Yeah. Yeah. And it was

00:49:15.060 like, ah, well, they say the first time is, you know, it's all you need. You're never

00:49:21.260 the same. You're never the same. Did you have, cause I knew you had experience with drugs

00:49:26.220 and stuff over the years. Were there, did you try to different drugs and thinking that

00:49:30.620 they would help you write or create certain music? Was there ever any of that energy or is

00:49:34.040 that something that like musicians even do really? I mean, I, I've, I've always done

00:49:41.640 my writing. I might be a little stoned sometimes, but I've never did drugs to write. You know

00:49:48.680 what I mean? I mean, I've. So that wasn't a thing. But you know, like psychedelics, they're

00:49:54.280 in my writing, but I don't take psychedelics to write. All of it, all of it's in there.

00:49:59.900 You know, I mean, I was a person, um, uh, fairly well adjusted in some ways. I never took drugs

00:50:11.760 to blotto myself out. I always, I, I truly, and talking about romance, my romantic relationship

00:50:18.700 with drugs. And okay. Those lines can become blurry at a certain point in my life. But, uh,

00:50:26.300 I always kind of knew what was going on. Um, I was never into speed and shit. I mean,

00:50:32.940 I was a Coke person and you know, hard drugs. Yeah. That was my forte in the nineties. And

00:50:39.680 but, uh, speed, thank God, like only a few times I ever tried it. I was, it was just the worst

00:50:46.260 feeling thing. It just didn't go with my chemistry. But, uh, I, yeah, I've, it was, I've, I fucking

00:50:54.300 love drugs. You know what I mean? I don't do them. I'm, I'm six, almost, I'm getting, I'll

00:50:59.280 be 60 years old this year. And, uh, and I love my life and my responsibility and, um, and to

00:51:09.440 do what I do, I can't do that. You know what I mean? I, you know, it's a sing and sing at a high

00:51:14.300 level, hopefully to the workload is, you know, when you're 25, you can do that shit and get up

00:51:21.320 and. Oh yeah, dude. It's a different story as you get older. I'm in recovery now from drugs and

00:51:26.580 it's like, yeah, dude, I liked it. And if they came out with a version that was better for you,

00:51:33.660 they have it. It's called pharmaceutical cocaine. It's just really fucking hard to forget. Are you

00:51:39.180 serious? It's, I mean, I tried it. I mean, it was not, it's on a home. Yeah. It's on

00:51:46.140 another, look it up. Yeah. Bring it up. Bring it up. Let's, let's see what, uh, bear

00:51:53.060 Monsanto is up to this week. New pharmaceutical cocaine. That's what we're looking for

00:51:58.820 probably. Well, even the old one, I think it's better than the average old. I got this

00:52:03.300 at the bowling alley cocaine. Yeah. I got it when it was still, the bag was still warm from

00:52:07.640 somebody's hand. Of course. And if you, if you didn't do it while it was warm, it was

00:52:12.540 bad. It was like Chinese food. Pharmaceutical cocaine refers to purified cocaine hydrochloride

00:52:19.560 used in controlled medical settings, distinct from illicit street forms. It's classified as

00:52:24.080 a schedule two narcotic, uh, controlled substance in the U S due to its medical value, despite high

00:52:29.400 abuse potential. Yep. Fantastic. Huh? That's the best Yelp review I've ever read.

00:52:39.820 Dude, you, it makes me think about this. My favorite joke I ever heard. Right. Um, it goes,

00:52:46.420 uh, what's the last thing you want to hear when you're giving a blow job to Willie Nelson?

00:52:50.660 I'm not Willie Nelson. I don't know why that's, that's not my joke. And I don't know whose

00:52:58.140 it is, but it's my favorite joke ever. So for some reason I just had to share it with

00:53:02.500 you. I like it. I like it. Thanks man. Thanks. All I can think about is a sea of red and gray

00:53:09.380 pubic hair now. Yeah. That's all I will. I'll go to sleep. Oh yeah. So cheers. I can't remember

00:53:15.780 what she had. She could have had a cock on her. I have no idea. You were like, you were just so

00:53:19.940 shocked. I was so shocked that somebody would do this. I couldn't understand that there was

00:53:24.460 nothing under it. And this was in Atlanta. This was in a, yep. This is in Atlanta right

00:53:28.080 off of like, I want to say peach tree one, not road. It was road. Right. They're all peach

00:53:33.080 trees. It was like, there's a few. Something civil rights Boulevard. It was something like that.

00:53:37.700 It was, it was a lot of action. That's every street. It really was. Do you remember a time

00:53:43.460 where you got the highest you ever did in your life? Like do you remember a time where

00:53:45.860 you got too high kind of? Uh, yeah. Yeah. A couple of times, a couple of times I got

00:53:53.800 too high. Uh, one time we, our old keyboard player in the Black Crows in the nineties,

00:54:01.000 this guy, Eddie Harsh, Ed was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene and Ed was really

00:54:06.900 my drug professor, you know, and he, he taught me a lot about not just music and stuff, but

00:54:13.680 especially, you know, the underground business we were in at the time. He's a little native,

00:54:19.040 huh? He's Ukrainian actually. Oh wow. Yeah. His parents came to Toronto after World War II.

00:54:25.240 Oh, Canadians are good. Um, but one night we were on the bus and he had like a couple of bags of

00:54:31.800 shake. Fucking weed. And he, and talk like this, man, you know, he's like, man, I'm going to go get

00:54:37.340 some brownie mix at the truck stop. I'm like, all right. All right. So I'm fucking, I don't know.

00:54:41.720 You know, he comes in the bus and he, he takes two bags of shake and pours it in this little thing of

00:54:49.840 microwave brownie mix. And he mixes that shit up. He's like smoking a cigarette shit. And he put that

00:54:56.820 in there and I was like, all right. I mean, I don't know how fucked up can we get? And he put the

00:55:01.660 icing on it. And he said, you eat half and I'll eat half. And I was like, I, then I was a racer head.

00:55:11.260 You know what I mean? It was a nightmarish. It was either 10,000 days or five minutes of complete

00:55:20.520 mind ripping hell of like the, I thought there's only death can save me. And I just, it was just

00:55:31.580 dumb. I just didn't know. You know what I mean? I was like, Oh, I'll eat half of it. It was the

00:55:35.440 dumbest shit I ever did in my life. Except the only worst drug experience I ever had. I was a kid and

00:55:42.080 a kid at my school gave me some red man chewing tobacco, but just like a piece like this, I fucking

00:55:48.300 put that shit in my mouth. And my parents had gone out or whatever. Five minutes later,

00:55:55.960 first, it felt amazing. The stars were brighter. The world had a warm glow. 30 seconds after

00:56:04.260 that, I can still taste the back of my teeth from throwing up so horribly in my parents'

00:56:10.520 bushes at our house in Jackson's Creek subdivision. Sounds like the worst CW team.

00:56:17.780 Yeah. Yeah. The worst CW show. This episode, you know, Skyler gives Jasper chlamydia.

00:56:24.680 You know what I mean? Where did you get it? I don't want to tell you.

00:56:29.940 I got it from Uncle Oscar. Yeah. This week. Well, he's not my uncle. You're Uncle Oscar.

00:56:35.880 This week on Jackson's Creek. I could totally see it, dude. Fuck, bro. Yeah. There was something

00:56:41.560 about being in the neighborhood. There was something about doing drugs, dude. I loved it. I remember,

00:56:46.120 um, I was scared of drugs so long. I didn't start until I was older. Dude, I remember one time doing

00:56:52.620 some shit. Somebody gave me something supposed to be cocaine or something. And I, I knew it was like

00:56:57.760 a performance enhancing drug. Right. And this is the second time I'd ever, this is the first time I'd

00:57:01.420 ever gotten it for myself. I'd done it twice. Like out in Tucson, I was working as a bus boy and people

00:57:06.660 said it was like a performance enhancer. Right. And you will be able to clean these tables so much

00:57:11.520 better than you were doing. Wait, you dropped a fork. A hundred percent. Yeah. Right. A hundred

00:57:16.560 percent though. So I did this shit. I'm down in Baton Rouge and I just start, I was like, well,

00:57:21.000 I'm going to go for a good run. I'm going to get a strong run in. So I'm running, I'm stopping and

00:57:25.080 doing this shit. And at a certain point I was, I just got, I got really squirreled out. Like I was

00:57:31.220 afraid to run. Right. But I was wearing umbros. Remember umbros shorts? I was wearing umbros and

00:57:36.860 shoes and no shirt. Right. And I was like, Oh man, it's typical Louisiana.

00:57:40.620 Kind of menswear. I get it. Typical twink on the train tracks type of energy. Okay.

00:57:46.820 You're like, okay. So I'm running right through like Tiger land, uh, which is like right around

00:57:51.500 LSU campus. And there was like a fence. And so I jumped in these, I jumped over this fence. I was

00:57:55.700 like, I can't be, it's too many people are out here driving by, jump over this fence. And I'm in a

00:58:00.060 kind of like a backyard area and they had a, like a little, uh, bird bath or whatever. And I remember

00:58:04.360 I was drinking out of that bird bath when the people came outside. I'm like, what the fuck are you

00:58:09.280 doing? You know? You're like, I'm trying to get a tapeworm. What does it look like I'm

00:58:12.660 doing? What do you think I'm doing? I'm just stopping for water. I'm ingesting water and

00:58:18.740 bird feces. So mind your own business. Yeah. I'm having an episode. I'm having a Hurricane

00:58:27.680 Katrina martini. I was in Baton Rouge a few years ago and I just, we went to, you know,

00:58:34.240 get some Cajun, get some food, some good food. It was a little bit out of town. And

00:58:39.080 at the time I was with Camille and I, my wife, we weren't married yet, but I had a Prius

00:58:44.700 at the time. I don't know, the shame, but I remember eating and looking out at the restaurant

00:58:49.900 and I was like, man, I haven't seen a Prius since I got into Louisiana. I saw fucking trucks

00:58:57.100 and fucking more trucks and shit. I was like, if we pulled in here in a Prius, they would

00:59:00.840 fucking kill us. It would be, yeah, it's not. I mean, this was a while ago. It's frowned

00:59:05.540 upon. No, it's frowned upon. Maybe the Prius stigma's over there or something or they don't

00:59:10.860 even have them anymore. I don't know. I think it's, it would still be kind of frowned upon

00:59:13.900 a little bit, but it'd be understood maybe, you know? I had one because I wanted to know

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01:02:04.040 I know that you had a, like a, you're a Grateful Dead fan and that you guys have kind of crossed

01:02:11.000 paths over the years. Yeah. And you've played with, um, some of their musicians. Yeah. I spent a lot

01:02:15.960 of time in the old realms of the GDs. Yeah. Um, did you go to, uh, Bob Weir's funeral? I did not.

01:02:24.100 I did not. I wasn't, uh, or were people even invited to it? I don't even know how to say that.

01:02:29.620 I mean, I'm sure they had a private service for him and then they had a public thing. Um,

01:02:35.320 yeah. I mean, I was super, I mean, I was super lucky to, uh, you know, rise to the ranks of so

01:02:42.880 many musicians that I, that I've respected and loved. And, uh, you know, we were talking about Bob

01:02:50.340 today and I was like, Bob's great, his great gift is his truly unique, truly outside the box

01:03:02.320 musician. Um, somebody who just his whole, that's how he was, you know what I mean? Just very unique

01:03:11.620 Bob Weir, you know, like no one thought like him or played like him or, you know, and that's,

01:03:18.540 again, when you look at the world of music, full of unique characters, full of unique voices,

01:03:24.900 full of talented people, sometimes troubled people, what, you know what I mean? Just the,

01:03:31.480 and then you have someone like Bob who really stood out. I mean, that's what made the Grateful

01:03:35.220 Dead so special. Um, it's funny how things that start off like that and then become sort of so

01:03:42.140 popular with, you know, it starts off, I mean, the Grateful Dead start off as like kind of scary,

01:03:47.880 like art rock, acid, heavy acid. You had to be pretty brave, I think, to go see the Grateful

01:03:56.280 Dead in 1968. Yeah. Oh, that's a good point. Because you, because you were coming out on the

01:04:01.700 other side, you know what I mean? Like, Ooh, there was no micro dosing, you know, uh, back

01:04:08.660 then, you know, there was no coward's dose as I call it. Like, guess what? A guy at a Columbia

01:04:14.700 University said I could take mushrooms. I'm like, what? Yeah, read this article. What

01:04:20.680 about all of us in the fucking trenches for years? You know what I mean? What about us

01:04:25.440 all over here who bought a cow? Yeah, what about all the brain damage we have? You know

01:04:29.360 what I mean? I could have told you that shit. Oh, dude. No brain damage. I'm just kidding.

01:04:35.600 No. But like, what? But see that, you know, you said you like Cheech and Chong. Think about

01:04:39.920 it. Now we're talking about, I took a micro dos. Good. I'm happy, by the way. Don't, don't

01:04:43.780 take my being, being sarcastic wrong. I'm, whatever it takes to get you through the night

01:04:48.960 to have a nice life and deal. I'm, I'm happy. But you know, like, and Cheech and Chong, when

01:04:54.420 he's like, he goes, that's the most acid I ever saw him take. He's like, oh, and he's

01:04:59.080 like, oh, he's like laughing at her. Like, that's the drug scene we grew up in. Like,

01:05:04.480 go ahead, man. I hope you have like a month. You know what I mean? Look at him right there.

01:05:08.940 Play it. I want to see this. Actually, this is great. Work your way up to these goddamn

01:05:15.020 bananas. That's you. Finkelstein shit kid. Son of a bitch. Yeah. I'll start you off with

01:05:22.740 the strawberries and work your way up. He goes, what does he say? Bend and scoop.

01:05:29.080 Hey, man. Am I driving okay?

01:05:36.240 That's in Malibu on PCA. Is it really? Yeah. I think we're parked, man. Yeah.

01:05:44.800 That's perfect. People don't even realize how much that scene has been used in other

01:05:48.380 movies since then because of that scene, right? It kind of goes back to like what we were

01:05:52.520 talking about earlier. That's false advertising that. I always, my favorite shit in the whole

01:05:56.180 movie though is the thing I love when he's like, yeah, these are waiter uniforms. He's

01:06:01.560 like, yeah, man, we want to look the same, but different, you know, like a band, you know,

01:06:05.200 it's a fucking, anytime, you know, someone's like, yeah, they, they look like a band, you

01:06:10.740 know, it's, yeah, I know Curtis, man.

01:06:13.800 Oh, I don't even remember that. My brain's a little bit bad. Sometimes I think I had an

01:06:18.220 amnesty, uh, or, um, fuck, I don't even know what it's called. Good. At least it took

01:06:23.940 away whatever it's called.

01:06:24.620 Yeah. Kicked in the head by a mule. Is that what it's called?

01:06:27.340 Oh, fuck, it worked with your brain as if fucking something's wrong with it. I think

01:06:30.680 I got that, bro.

01:06:32.520 You're like, yeah, something happened to my brain. I got kicked in the head by a mule.

01:06:36.180 So was there, was there an artist's death over the years that, I mean, I know that's

01:06:40.160 a weird question, but was it like, was there, yeah, was there like an artist's death that

01:06:45.680 you feel like had the most effect on you as a musician kind of, or just as like a human

01:06:50.240 being, I guess? I don't know.

01:06:51.260 I mean, yeah, I mean, but probably my personal friends who passed away who are great musicians

01:06:57.480 have always affected me. Todd Schneider passing away, dear friend.

01:07:05.280 Bring up a picture of him.

01:07:06.780 Special, special person, freak, freak in the world, lovely, lovely person. I had a very

01:07:16.040 special friendship with him. Very sad. But like big people that I don't know or whatever,

01:07:21.720 like when Prince died, I was, because I grew up, I mean, I fucking love Prince so much.

01:07:29.220 Prince hurt a lot of people. It's like, I remember a lot of my friends being a lot more shocked

01:07:33.040 than I thought they would when, when Prince died.

01:07:35.880 I thought Prince would have got a little more murals and t-shirts, but it looked like David

01:07:40.200 Bowie got all that, you know, and I love David Bowie too, but I was like, I just, I mean,

01:07:47.060 Prince ever since I, you know, I grew up in Atlanta when I was like, before I got into like

01:07:53.040 rock and like sort of punk and indie rock scene, I played a little high school basketball and I was

01:08:02.220 obsessed with funk, P-Funk records, George Clinton, but I was there like Zap, Gap Band, SOS, Slave,

01:08:13.660 Prince, The Time, Vanity Six. I was like Rick James.

01:08:17.340 Dude, I loved Rick James, man. As a matter of fact, I have a scar under here. Rick James

01:08:25.620 was playing the cool jazz festival at the old Atlanta Fulton County stadium. And my dad

01:08:30.980 knew a DJ at V103 FM, which was like the funk station. So this is kind of all before like

01:08:37.380 rap music takes over. And I had tickets to go, to go see Rick James and Cameo who, I mean,

01:08:44.140 Cameo was the other one that I loved. And Frankie Beverly and Maze was on there, a bunch of,

01:08:50.040 bunch of R&B bands. And my friend had got a bottle of vodka and we got so fucked up the

01:08:55.700 day before that I jumped in this, my parents found me in the neighborhood swimming pool in

01:08:59.900 the shallow end with my, I jumped in and my chin was cut open. I was bleeding in the pool

01:09:04.160 and people were like, get the fuck out of the pool, man. I was 15 years old. I was like,

01:09:07.860 I'm going to get out of the fucking pool. You get out of the fucking pool. I mean, I'm out of

01:09:11.840 my mind. And I look up and there's my mom and dad or my brother and I had missed basketball,

01:09:16.540 like spring basketball practice or whatever. My dad's like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:09:21.180 What, why are you bleeding in the pool? I was like, what? And I got in the car and, and I

01:09:26.960 was just like, Hey, another thing. You guys know that Rick James had a hovercraft. He fucking

01:09:32.680 does. I mean, I'm pretty sure he does whatever. I'm just drunk. My brother's like, you need to

01:09:36.460 fucking smell like booze and you need to shut the fuck up. I'm like bleeding. I go get stitched

01:09:42.220 up. I go home. I pass out. My dad fucking kicks me awake at like fucking five in the

01:09:47.040 morning. I have a full grownup hangover. It's five in the morning. He's like, we're going

01:09:52.160 for a run. We fucking run three miles. Stan? It was like the great Stan Tini. We run three

01:09:59.420 miles. I didn't throw up or anything. We got to like the last 50 yards and he was like, man,

01:10:03.500 you know, you're not going to that fucking concert today. I was like, God damn. He

01:10:08.900 said, no. He said, you fucked up yesterday. What do you think? What do they do? Guilt

01:10:13.520 me. What do you think your mother thinks? She's probably happy that I'm safe at all.

01:10:20.560 They never let you answer that. What's done is done, father. Yeah. They never let you answer

01:10:25.780 that. So I never saw Rick James. Did you want, that is a, that is a bad one. Oh dude. One of

01:10:31.360 the first shows I ever went to, Smashing Pumpkins. Actually, my buddy and I had a

01:10:34.680 pedophile that dropped us off at, um, Marilyn Manson. We were underage. We were

01:10:41.240 probably, I think 14, 15. He dropped us off at Marilyn Manson at the Rendon Inn over

01:10:45.380 there in New Orleans, which is pretty wild. Um, but the first concert. You have like an

01:10:50.640 exorbitant amount of pedos in your neighborhood. You know that, right? I mean, we were kind of

01:10:55.040 kids who were like looking for like people to be around. And so I didn't. Who's around are

01:10:58.940 like creepy dudes. I'll take you guys. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So it's always like, oh, we,

01:11:03.700 you know, and you don't realize that a guy's a pedo. You think he's just a cool guy. Then

01:11:06.420 you get older and you're like, oh, that guy was 37 hanging out with us, you know, smoking

01:11:11.020 pot and fucking, you know, trying to tickle. Hey, I'll wait for you guys in the parking

01:11:14.040 lot. Trying to tickle everybody. Yeah. Horrible. It's so gross. It was crazy. Dude, the craziest

01:11:19.800 part was though, my best friend, Scott, I used to, his dad knew the guy who was like the

01:11:24.460 pedo guy, this one guy, Mr. Richard. So I would write letters from Mr. Richard to my

01:11:30.540 buddy, Scott and mail him to his house all the time. That's fucked up. And his stepdad

01:11:34.360 was fucked up. And good shit. That's good shit too. I get it. I like the, you know, you're

01:11:38.160 just. That's the shit I love, bro. I know. Just the psychological torture. Yes. Yeah, I

01:11:42.820 get it. I get it. And his stepdad would be like, oh, you still talking to this motherfucker

01:11:46.940 and he'd come in and just throw the fucking mail right at him. And they already had the

01:11:51.260 worst relationship. And he didn't know, right? No, he didn't. He's like, he thought it was

01:11:55.000 the real guy. No idea, dude. I'd send him like four Christmas cards every year from this

01:11:59.840 dude, bro. Cause when you're a pedophile, I bet they fucking love Christmas, I bet. You

01:12:04.440 know? I mean, yeah. Cause it's just an old dude stopping in and getting fucking and relating

01:12:09.180 with children. That's all it is. Dude, we, we see, look at the old Christmas pictures. Your

01:12:13.740 parents took you down to some guy, some drunk in a beard and you sat on his lap. He's

01:12:18.980 like, you know what I mean? I'm sure if scum, boy scout, boy scout guys are pedos, then the

01:12:27.040 Santa guys, there had to be one, one or two. It's like, oh, we went to the Easter bunny. I

01:12:33.580 know the Easter bunny had an erection. You know what I mean? How could you tell? I could

01:12:37.560 just fucking tell. You know what I mean? And it wasn't about pagan rabbit fucking. This

01:12:44.160 was real. No, this is real. Yeah. God given blood to muscle erection. Yeah. The science

01:12:51.160 of the thing. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Somebody has a pedophile and their

01:12:54.960 friend is just the scientific guy. It's the science of the thing. You know, it's a scientific

01:12:59.300 thing. You got an open, uh, and have, have opened for you like so many amazing groups.

01:13:04.700 Is there like a tour or a part of like your music or I guess even maybe your musical life

01:13:11.200 that you would go back to and, and redo if you could kind of, I know you said you're

01:13:15.640 not a go back guy. Yeah, it is what it is. You know what I mean? Like again, I, and I've

01:13:22.920 had the opportunity in life if I've made, you know what I mean? Uh, if I, if I, if there

01:13:29.960 was something that, that I felt what, that, that I was involved in when that was rude, I

01:13:36.540 don't know, whatever. Um, I've had the opportunity to tell people, man, I thought

01:13:41.100 that was fucked up. You know what I mean? Whatever. I mean, I mean it, I wouldn't say

01:13:45.420 it if I didn't mean it, but I don't care to change anything. Right. I, you know, they

01:13:49.700 say, what would you, what's your letter to your younger self? I'm like, I, um, I don't

01:13:57.040 know if that would have meant anything. Um, that's a good point. What younger self

01:14:02.820 would give a fuck. You know, it's funny because I, uh, I was saying the other day,

01:14:06.540 like I love Steven Tyler. He's been supportive. He's a friend. I'm always

01:14:12.860 there for him. And I was telling the story when we sold a lot of records on the

01:14:16.360 first record, he called me and goes, save your money, man. And I was like, I'm 24.

01:14:20.820 I'm like, I'm not saving my money. Like, I love you. And I appreciate the wisdom

01:14:26.560 because you've been through it all in this business. I've made one record. You know what

01:14:31.040 I mean? Like I, I preached, I did appreciate the advice, but I was also

01:14:36.260 like, I'm a, I, no way am I, no way is this. I'm not just made the first

01:14:42.880 record and had the success and now's the time to play it safe. You know what I

01:14:47.300 mean? I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense to me. That's a good point.

01:14:51.760 Did you get something? Did you ever get something that was pretty wild kind of

01:14:54.000 like something cool? No. Like a skull or something like a human bone or

01:14:59.960 whatever? I mean, someone gifted me a human skull later. Um, that was through

01:15:05.820 weird Grateful Dead stuff. There was no members of the Grateful Dead. It was like

01:15:09.860 at a parking, like a, like a trade, like at one of those. No, no. Someone gave it to

01:15:12.680 me. But I, you know what, man? I, my, my extravagance has always been the same. I

01:15:21.340 like clothes and I like travel. I like to travel. I'm obsessive. Uh, I'm obsessed

01:15:30.180 with food. I'm obsessed with cuisines from my travels and around the world.

01:15:35.620 Like grapes and stuff like that? Food, just the food. You know what I mean?

01:15:39.480 Yeah. Um, I, a lot of my downtime when we travel is based around food. So that's a bit

01:15:48.920 bougie. But really all I spend money on truly is, uh, books and records. You know, I've been

01:15:57.080 collecting records since I was 12, um, and books as well. So it's just a giant clusterfuck

01:16:06.320 of, you know, I moved out of my parents' house in 1987 with just cases of records and boxes

01:16:10.780 of books. And it's still the same thing, kind of. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm not a car guy

01:16:16.920 or I don't have like rare guitars and shit. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really like, I don't really

01:16:22.440 spend money on almost anything. I kind of, I care about it, but I guess you're right.

01:16:26.520 Like getting to go places, I'm real honest, is a little bit more important. I was just

01:16:30.560 in, um, have you been to Oahu? No. Maui? I was in Kauai once. Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

01:16:39.120 I went to Oahu. They had like a surf competition going on. It's like a, like a real one, you

01:16:43.000 know? Not like the Brady Bunch. Right. But yeah, they had this competition was going

01:16:47.080 on. Amazing. But it only happens if the weather permits. So like each morning you kind of

01:16:53.020 have to get there and see if it. And hope that the conditions are. Yeah. And hope that

01:16:56.320 the conditions are cool. But it was pretty incredible just to. When I go to the ocean

01:17:00.360 things, I like to go to Jamaica. Ooh. I have a lot of. You ever see Diplo down there? I

01:17:05.500 think he has a house down there. He's a DJ. I mean, I've never been invited. I'm

01:17:10.520 in town then. I'm kind of in the country too. I, uh, a place called Bluefield. It's been

01:17:15.300 very. Bluefields, Jamaica? Bluefields Bay. Yeah. In Westmoreland. In Westmoreland. There's

01:17:23.040 Bluefields. Yeah. Actually, I stayed at that place. The second one to the left. Yeah. I stayed

01:17:29.980 at that place. No way. A long time ago. Wild. But the hurricane was brutal there. Brutal.

01:17:35.820 Brutal. It was really sad. But Jamaicans are incredible people. So that's your place if

01:17:41.380 you choose to go to a beach. That's your spot. I like to go to Jamaica. Yeah. I like

01:17:46.100 Jamaicans. I like Jamaican food and. Bananas and meat. Yeah. Sweet sop and sour sops. And

01:17:54.540 I, there you go. Oh, that looks good. We have a Jamaican dog that's named Bami. Because

01:18:00.280 in Jamaica we eat a cassava root that's kind of deep fried like a hash brown. It's called

01:18:04.260 Bami. There's a piece of Bami. So that's kind of the color of our dog when we found

01:18:09.040 her. She was a street dog in Jamaica. Oh, did you ever meet that guy down there, McAfee,

01:18:13.840 that virus guy? You ever meet that guy? No, I kind of, when I go, I've been going for

01:18:17.440 years. We always just take off to the country. You know what I mean? Just chill. I like my,

01:18:23.280 I have like really close people there. The most soulful, incredible people. And we just

01:18:28.740 fucking play dominoes and laugh. And there's Bami Longface. Oh. It's our Jamaican dog.

01:18:35.020 That's a nice animal, huh? She's the best. She has another name. The perfect one.

01:18:42.920 You've always been an animal lover? I, I like, yes. I like, I'm a, I love, yeah, we have a cool

01:18:48.680 cat too. Um, yes, I love, I love pets. I love having pets. But I didn't have like rabbits and,

01:18:56.320 you know, guinea pigs. Horses you ever own? No. I love horses. I don't ride, but I love

01:19:03.640 them. Yeah. My wife's a horse girl. I'm not good on them. I've done it. I mean, it's

01:19:09.460 fun. I liked it. I like, I would be, I wish I'd grown up. Um, we didn't do shit in my

01:19:15.960 house. That's why I was busy watching all these weird movies and getting weird and

01:19:19.260 listening to records. You know what I mean? I mean, I did play Little League football and I

01:19:23.720 did martial arts when we were kids and played basketball. You know what I mean? I did shit

01:19:28.020 like that. And when I was a kid, you know what? I liked to fish when I was a kid. Oh,

01:19:32.320 fishing's fun, huh? I haven't done it in like 40, 50 years. I don't know. Really? You haven't

01:19:36.180 done it that long? Yeah. Who took you fishing? Um, my racist uncle Bruce. Yeah. Yeah. Cause

01:19:44.300 my dad didn't really give a fuck about fishing. Yeah. Sometimes, but I didn't know he, I didn't

01:19:48.900 know he was like that then, but I liked it cause we would go down to Florida and do saltwater

01:19:53.660 fishing. And then being in Georgia, we would do bass fishing and stuff. It was fun when

01:19:57.740 I was a kid, but I haven't done shit like that forever. Yeah. Sometimes I- Too busy reading

01:20:03.900 Jean Cocteau. Yeah. Um, one more question about, uh, music and then I want to hear a little bit

01:20:10.760 more about your new album. Um, and the new album, it's called A Pound of Feathers. Yeah. The

01:20:15.300 band made a record called A Pound of Feathers. The band in this case was just me and Rich

01:20:20.680 and our drummer Cully. We, uh, we, we went in this record, we went in the studio without

01:20:26.960 any songs, you know, we just had some ideas and riffs and, um, we wanted to do it that

01:20:32.500 way. We wanted to do something that was, uh, more spontaneous and on the fly really and

01:20:39.420 see where that took us, you know? So we ended up, my joke with friends was we could

01:20:45.680 have done it in five days if we had written any songs, but it took eight or nine days or

01:20:49.160 whatever. For the whole album? Yeah. Yeah. It was beautiful. You know what I mean? We

01:20:53.640 were on a roll. We, we, I mean, Rich has parts and I have, I will, I'll go and have like

01:21:00.360 five or six notebooks full of ideas, but that doesn't mean anything either. Cause a lot of

01:21:06.420 times I'll just pull things out of the sky or whatever. Um, no matter what the world

01:21:13.920 changes, you know, we're talking about buying snow tires and blowjobs for program directors

01:21:20.440 at rock radio stations or whatever. The good old days, Reaganomics. Yeah. And you can sell

01:21:25.260 some fucking records too. Yeah, dude, that was fucking Reaganomics. But for us, it's always

01:21:28.960 like, that was just a part of like the, the, the, the, the business that was adjacent to

01:21:36.840 what we loved and wanted to do playing in a band. And it's funny because all these years

01:21:43.980 later we realized that making records, you know, we're not going to be, we're not going

01:21:48.580 to have, we're not going to sell many records. We're not going to sell any records, but this

01:21:53.560 is what it is. But for us to get in there and to know, you know, and to feel that way

01:21:59.400 and to realize like, I look, man, when we got started, we didn't know shit, except we

01:22:04.480 knew what was authentic and real in our hearts and what music meant to us. And if we're going

01:22:11.300 to join, you know, when our, our first record came out, I'm like, dude, we're in, look, you

01:22:15.760 go in a record store and there's black crows records, but there's John Coltrane records.

01:22:20.840 You know what I mean? Brian Adams, Leonard Cohen. Yeah. Right. And other Canadians as

01:22:26.340 well. Um, but, or whoever, you know, the multitude of things that, that we loved in the time,

01:22:35.360 you know, how important record stores were, that we're a part of something meant something

01:22:39.680 to us. It still does. And that we can still have a vibrancy about what it is we want to

01:22:46.260 do and say, um, that we can have those moments where I'm sitting there and we're writing these

01:22:52.460 songs and it works. And I don't care if it works again in, in other, uh, in another construct,

01:23:00.680 it works for me and my brother. Cause this is, we wrote, started writing some songs at mom

01:23:05.700 and dad's and you know, here we are. Yeah. And it's, and now our songs are in people's lives

01:23:10.500 and that kind of thing, but that it's still fucking energy that I like that I can look around

01:23:16.640 and the fucking darkened time that we're in and mustard the vibes to make something and feel,

01:23:24.460 this is what I want to say. You know, my poetry doesn't have to have any message other than it's

01:23:30.760 humanity, other than, you know what I mean? Yeah. The connection I want through the things that I've

01:23:35.960 done, the things that I am, the things that I dream up, my imagination, you know what I mean?

01:23:41.840 I, I always laugh because, uh, do you, do you have, have you ever seen Barton Fink, the movie,

01:23:47.220 Barton Fink, the Coen brothers movie? No, I might actually, I think I tried to watch it. Let me see

01:23:52.040 a picture of it. It's black. John Turturro plays this guy who goes to LA. It's a movie about writer's

01:23:57.580 block, but it looks just like Eraserhead. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Totally. But there's a scene in the

01:24:03.220 movie with a writer. He's friends, he befriends another writer who's a Southern guy. And, uh,

01:24:08.600 he's kind of, I guess, based on like William Faulkner or something was in California. I don't

01:24:13.420 know, but he has this real, Barton Fink's really passionate. You write for the common man. And

01:24:19.920 how do you, you know, how does, how, where do the words come from that you could communicate

01:24:25.540 like that? And he, and he's a drunk, the other writer, and he's from the South and he goes,

01:24:30.040 well, Barton, I like to make things up. And I was like, I was like, that's it. You know

01:24:37.600 what I mean? It's like, it kind of is what it is. And it's the same things. I, I don't

01:24:43.820 have a toolbox at home, but I like to write and I like to, you know, I like to dream. And

01:24:50.580 this is a dreamer's paradise. I've made, I've made my own reality out of my limitations as

01:24:58.540 a like fully functional like person because of whatever the way my mind works. And it

01:25:05.740 helps if you sing good, whatever, you know what I mean? And you like to get on stage and

01:25:10.060 keep people interested in, and, you know, there's a bit of the old, it's like Bob Dylan

01:25:15.080 says, I'm a song and dance man. You know what I mean? So I'm, I'm that as well.

01:25:19.440 Yeah. It's a dude, the other night a girl was talking about our music for so long that

01:25:22.640 she got up and sang for me and it was some of the worst stuff I ever heard. And I'd like

01:25:26.460 for 70% of our time together, I was there with her and then it fell apart in that last

01:25:31.020 30%. So I think the sharing it, the, how you share it is right. But I do think it's

01:25:37.940 interesting. Like it is a dreamer's paradise. And one thing that you don't want to lose,

01:25:42.520 like no matter how like bleak times seem or how dark certain things are, are that are going

01:25:47.540 on is that we have to stay creative, right? Like we, like as much as it hurts or as it's

01:25:53.600 tough or it's like, it's not, it's not easy to sit and do to think of like, oh, I can be

01:25:58.500 creative right now. I think if we lose that, then that's, then, then that's going to be

01:26:02.700 really bad, you know?

01:26:04.040 Agreed. Agreed. I mean, and that's, again, I think the inspiration of, of all of these

01:26:10.840 things we are seeing have all been played out before. We've seen it. And, and, and the

01:26:16.440 reality of that is, is we've see who, you know, we'll see this come to some sort of

01:26:23.520 look, like I said, who knows between then and there, but I refuse to, I refuse to allow

01:26:34.620 defeatism to rule my life. I refuse to let the fear and ignorance of the whole thing dictate

01:26:45.040 my, my every fucking thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I, I don't know. Cause

01:26:53.900 you, I think you had, like you said, you have to, and I, and I'm. And we can get addicted

01:26:58.180 to the new, you get addicted to that stuff and then it takes over your time. It takes

01:27:01.460 you of your life and it takes your flame down and it takes your, and you're like, what am

01:27:05.480 I doing here? You know? It might be, I mean, it's not even escapism to me because I need

01:27:10.320 to, when we were talking earlier about how I have to keep my head or I have to devote

01:27:15.380 myself to whatever the thing is, it's the muse that keeps my creative energy where I want

01:27:22.760 it to be and what it means. In this, in the exact same respect, if these things, these

01:27:33.360 things cycle through people, you, yeah, it's proven again, you can't stop. You know what

01:27:38.760 I mean? And I don't know. I feel, I feel like, I feel like you can't, again, I'm not, I don't

01:27:48.860 want to put my head in the sand cause that doesn't help.

01:27:51.420 Yeah. But I do realize, uh. That we're on the beach. Oh yeah. Well, I do realize too

01:27:58.320 that there's a lot of footprints on the beach. You know what I mean? People have been coming

01:28:02.940 to this beach for a long fucking time. We just kind of have to remember that as well.

01:28:08.460 That's a good point. I mean, you know, um, people romanticize and they, in any time in

01:28:17.240 history, tyrants and people, kings who have become deranged and, you know, the abuse of

01:28:26.120 power and ego and all these things. And you can see what happens. You know what I mean?

01:28:33.140 You see what, you know what I mean? You, you, it goes for a while, but then it's over because

01:28:38.980 humans don't play that. You know, we, if there's like a song that we use when we ride in a battle,

01:28:43.980 say this has to happen. Right. And we won't put you on a horse or me. You, I'll be, you,

01:28:48.480 I'll be in the back. I'll be the medic. I'll be catering. It'd be better for me.

01:28:54.600 Hey, at least. Can I still get a medal? You know what I mean? At least, you know,

01:28:58.100 the catering will be like very enjoyable. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, sorry. Uh,

01:29:02.900 sorry, El Comandante. That's the wrong white wine with the Branzino.

01:29:08.480 Do you, do we, uh, what song do we listen to when we ride in a battle? Do you think?

01:29:14.520 Maybe it is, it doesn't be like the perfect song, but what's a good one?

01:29:17.980 Um, well, it's definitely not onward Christian soldiers. That doesn't have a good beat. I don't,

01:29:24.340 I can't dance to it. Uh, I don't know what it'd be. It's a long way to the top. If you want to

01:29:30.280 rock and roll by ACDC, that might be a good one. Yeah. Play that real quick. I want to make sure

01:29:36.360 that I'm on the right one of that. You had it. I did. Okay.

01:29:39.680 God, dude. So many things immediately. I'm back in my bedroom, dude. Watching my brother dance.

01:29:51.500 Fucking good sounding guitars.

01:29:52.880 Hell yeah. That's good, man. Thank you so much. Um, what about your new tour? Can you tell us like,

01:30:03.700 obviously it's tougher touring now. What's so, is there anything that's super different about it?

01:30:07.520 There it is. Um, Whiskey Myers. That's right. I saw you guys at Ascend, I think like two years ago.

01:30:12.620 And then I saw you in New Orleans, like, I think it might've been the nineties probably, or no,

01:30:18.540 maybe two thousands.

01:30:19.340 Yeah. I mean, many times.

01:30:22.060 This tour is going to be super fun. You know what I mean? They're a little bit country and we're a

01:30:26.860 little bit rock and roll and we're a little bit country. They're a little bit rock and roll too.

01:30:31.920 Got to work on that chorus, Donnie and Marie. What the fuck? Um, yeah, I mean, touring, you know,

01:30:40.060 I still love it. I still think there's a lot of adventure to have. And it's same kind of some of

01:30:44.520 the things we were talking about. There will be someone I never met. They will be saying, you know,

01:30:49.900 we have a good time. It should be fun. You know, touring's fun. Me play. It's called playing music.

01:30:55.560 It's fun. Um, I, I, I, it's hard sometimes when you get older and the crowd is, you know,

01:31:06.360 telephone people's phones put up sometimes a wall between what we want to put out and what we want

01:31:14.640 y'all to pick up. Oh, that's a good statement. You know, because now it used to be like this and

01:31:20.420 now, you know, what? Oh yeah. Or, oh, you know, instead of really feeling the music and hearing

01:31:27.740 the music and seeing where that could take you. That being said, I don't police anybody. You know

01:31:34.800 what I mean? Like y'all do what you want to do. I'm so happy that you bought a ticket. No matter

01:31:41.400 how you get there, what you do when you get there, that's up to you. I'm just saying that as a guy who's

01:31:48.480 spent this fucking lot of time on stage, you know, and I'm the type of performer who I need,

01:31:55.220 I need the, I need it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I need something back. It feels good. That's

01:32:00.960 when stuff ceases to, uh, it just flows all together, you know? And those are the, those are

01:32:08.280 the shows and the moments that are, that aren't hard. You know what I mean? Yes. And those are the

01:32:14.540 ones where just like, oh, this is beautiful. This is, this is everything. And that we have

01:32:20.460 that more than we don't. Yeah. Um, but I know what you're saying. Even, I noticed that even

01:32:25.800 stay, even when I've done that and I noticed how it feels, I went to see Aerosmith on there,

01:32:30.560 um, when they were playing Las Vegas, when they had the, um, this is like maybe three,

01:32:33.340 four years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Their residency there. Yeah. And there was one time when, um,

01:32:38.460 when Steven Tyler came right over by me and I was like trying to get my phone and I like,

01:32:42.620 like miss this moment. I still just feel bad. I still think about, man, what was I doing? You

01:32:47.620 know, like, what was I doing? So instead of just, yeah. You just should have let the quick silver

01:32:52.480 that is Steven like envelop you as he went by. Oh, I still, yeah. The best dude. Um, Chris Robinson,

01:33:00.280 thanks so much, man. I appreciate it. Thank you, man. I appreciate your time. Thanks for all the

01:33:04.120 music. Thanks for all the excitement over the years. Um, yeah, just the time to get to come

01:33:08.140 see you. Me and my brother still talk about the crows. So, uh, we still, uh, listen to it together.

01:33:12.520 So thank you so much, man. Thank you, man. Yep. Tell your brother, I said, Hey, I will do it.

01:33:17.020 Does he have big muscles? Uh, no, no, but he's a smart guy and he's kind of like your brother. I think

01:33:22.340 he's, um, he's probably the sweet, I think he's like the sweeter one of us or this, he's a sweet guy,

01:33:27.200 but like a, just like he's, he's a nice guy. So, um, tell Rich, I said, hello. I will. Of course.

01:33:32.940 He'll love it. Thank you, brother. Cheers.

01:33:34.440 Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be

01:33:41.180 cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it

01:33:52.180 in my bones, but it's gonna tell you.

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - March 11, 2026

#645 - Chris Robinson

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