This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #648

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00:00:30.000 Austin, Texas. I'll be doing a show there April 1st. That's coming up soon at ACL Live at the

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00:01:00.740 actor. He's known for just being that figure, that humor man, wedding crashers, swingers,

00:01:08.120 dodgeball, Rudy, and the list goes on. His new movie, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice,

00:01:15.200 is on Hulu this Friday, March 27th. I had a great time with today's guest, Mr. Vince,

00:01:21.900 Vaughn.

00:01:32.160 So do you have a place there?

00:01:41.460 Yeah.

00:01:41.840 Cool.

00:01:42.140 I've actually been thinking about moving recently.

00:01:44.000 That's cool.

00:01:44.820 I know.

00:01:45.040 I'm kind of excited.

00:01:45.800 I'm kind of scared.

00:01:46.840 I'm always scared.

00:01:48.220 You are?

00:01:48.420 Well, when you make a new purchase.

00:01:49.900 Yeah.

00:01:50.100 I don't like to spend any money on anything.

00:01:52.080 I just like to kind of keep it somewhere until the devil takes it or whatever.

00:01:56.220 Yeah, right.

00:01:57.680 And you also feel sometimes I think like this is, you know,

00:02:01.620 you kind of know what you have and how that works.

00:02:04.880 And now how does this change your spending and what you're doing?

00:02:08.200 Because you always feel like, well, gosh, what happens if it goes away?

00:02:12.540 Yeah, one of my friends said something to me the other day about buying a house.

00:02:15.440 He goes, well, you could invest it in the stock market

00:02:17.640 or you could invest it in a home.

00:02:19.640 He's like, you can't live in the stock market.

00:02:21.980 And that was kind of interesting to me because I was like, oh, yeah, well, at least if you put your money into a home, then if it's going up, then you're living in it while you have it.

00:02:28.880 That's right.

00:02:29.260 I mean, there's ways to look at it because I kind of looked at it because I never was educated in any of it.

00:02:34.720 So as I made money, I started to figure it out more.

00:02:36.800 But I started to look at stuff like what makes me money every month and then what costs you money every month.

00:02:42.780 And so a house is kind of both because you have your property taxes, especially here.

00:02:47.040 and you also have your mortgage if you do and the stuff that goes with it but it can go up in value

00:02:51.800 as well so i started buying rental properties that i could rent out for that reason because

00:02:56.400 it was tangible and i could make money every month off it the market i never studied it

00:03:00.520 but i guess if you do the s&p i mean i never spent my energy on that but a house i'm like

00:03:05.400 this neighborhood's nice i think it's going up okay i'll buy something here like trusting your

00:03:09.820 instincts about that yeah because you're more exposed to it yeah that's where you're driving

00:03:12.960 through it or something you're seeing things yeah like the old thing was like this neighborhood's

00:03:16.160 not this these neighborhoods are good now this one's not okay i'll buy there yeah do you know

00:03:20.700 what i mean oh yeah yes but then you got to balance it with what you enjoy in your life

00:03:25.700 you want to be happy where you're at yeah you want to get something like i don't know i always

00:03:29.360 hate like i never really want to invest in myself i always i'm just like a saver i remember i would

00:03:33.340 save my money i would bury my money in the yard i was that kind of it i would go to people's homes

00:03:38.000 and hide a fucking pirate oh you got a fucking treasure map i'm not even joking they had these

00:03:44.200 like crown royal bags when i was a kid and it was like the purple one with the gold i remember those

00:03:48.420 and i would put my money in there and i would hide it in different places i would hide it at

00:03:52.860 friends who had better security in their homes i would do they know no they had no idea i would

00:03:58.180 hide it there site dude we would steal people silverware we went to their house like we were

00:04:02.240 doing like this little things we'd seen on like home alone i think mrs jones and you got like a

00:04:06.060 napkin and shit dude if i would find out it's not silver later for sure going to the pawn shop and

00:04:11.600 arguing with somebody it's sterling silver did you ever go try to dig it up and couldn't find

00:04:17.360 it oh no that's good i always knew exactly where where it was you know i would check on it that

00:04:22.140 kind of stuff i was a big barrier like burying stuff to make sure that it was okay my grandparents

00:04:27.020 had a basement growing up and so i think that kind of added some mystery basements always added

00:04:30.980 mystery big time and the scary yeah did you have a basement or no i did i one time i went to everyone

00:04:36.120 left the house i was home by myself i thought i'm gonna watch a horror movie in the basement

00:04:40.820 because that was double scary.

00:04:42.440 And I turned off all the lights in the house

00:04:44.480 because I really wanted the experience.

00:04:45.800 I wasn't good at watching horror.

00:04:47.100 I would get pressured and I'd do it and I'd play it cool.

00:04:49.540 But then I was fucking terrified.

00:04:51.600 I didn't like, my imagination was too strong.

00:04:54.260 And I remember I turned this thing on and I was watching.

00:04:56.320 It was The Evil Dead.

00:04:57.120 You ever see The Evil Dead?

00:04:59.000 And I was like, that's fucking it.

00:05:00.560 I got to a point where I had enough.

00:05:02.440 And so I got up to run to get the lights,

00:05:04.440 but I hit a pole and I went down.

00:05:06.820 And then your mind's really playing tricks like this is it.

00:05:09.120 It's coming in.

00:05:09.720 but I kind of crawled, got my lights on, turned off the movie.

00:05:13.300 I turned on every light in the house.

00:05:14.860 But yeah, basements are, well, they're a magical place

00:05:16.880 because they can be a place of discovery too, right?

00:05:19.380 I mean, good and bad happens in a basement.

00:05:20.900 Oh, yeah.

00:05:21.500 Well, I think they had like those cellar doors when you realize that like,

00:05:25.000 because I never put it together for the first like few times.

00:05:27.580 Those are my grandparents.

00:05:28.400 It was just a basement and then was these outside weird doors that,

00:05:31.540 and then like-

00:05:32.300 You mean like the cellar, like when you had that little light come in

00:05:34.400 and you knew you were underground?

00:05:35.640 Like the outside had a little hole area?

00:05:37.600 Well, they had like-

00:05:38.480 Do you know what I mean?

00:05:38.820 Like these.

00:05:39.720 Like, did y'all have some of those?

00:05:41.280 Yeah, hell yes.

00:05:42.280 Yeah, so those, the fact that those doors

00:05:45.140 would open up and go down in that little staircase.

00:05:48.540 Yeah, my grandparents had a garden.

00:05:49.760 They lived, they grew up in Illinois,

00:05:50.900 and so they had a garden outside of Peoria,

00:05:53.680 just a small town out there.

00:05:54.900 Yeah, from the area.

00:05:57.660 You're from the area?

00:05:58.480 Well, I grew up, my family originally was Virginia,

00:06:01.300 my dad's side, and then Kentucky, but ended up in Ohio,

00:06:05.140 and then my dad was a salesman,

00:06:06.400 so we ended up in Illinois, yeah.

00:06:07.940 Oh, nice, what did he sell?

00:06:09.200 Toys.

00:06:09.720 no super cool yeah he just had toys around the house a lot yeah he had a lot of toys he'd give

00:06:14.980 me like samples and stuff so samples were the best samples were dope bro if your parent was

00:06:19.800 you were kind of ahead right yeah well i mean you had a bunch of something i mean i don't know you

00:06:25.060 know it was weird like i had one friend his dad sold oakley sunglasses so he fucking would have

00:06:30.240 like three pairs of oakley's on like crazy um yeah what kind of toys did y'all have just kind

00:06:35.900 of milling around. He became a manufacturer's rep. He did well. He was the first to go to college

00:06:40.720 in his family. And his dad had like a hundred acre farm and would work in a steel mill. But my dad

00:06:49.940 was the first to go to college. So they kind of moved us to better schools. That was their thing.

00:06:53.740 We kept moving to get to better schools, but we weren't prepared for that because I didn't know

00:06:57.920 what a tutor was. Like no one had a tutor. So we moved to an area that was more academic and

00:07:02.400 exposed to stuff which was good but uh he he sold like uh uh i love that i don't think he sold this

00:07:09.740 he might have but i love that evil knievel stunt cycle when i was a kid but he sold like uh teenage

00:07:14.560 mutant ninja turtles and like uh oh yeah that was fun as shit and then he had like uh god he had

00:07:22.000 like these little like uh like those kind of bathtubs i guess it was in the toy section but

00:07:25.900 not bathtubs swimming pool but it was just a big plastic circle remember those outdoor yeah were

00:07:31.360 they hard ones or the soft ones no they were just like these the rigid ones yeah but they would just

00:07:35.860 be in the backyard yeah in the summer because no one had a pool um and then he sold galoob toys

00:07:41.960 whatever they sold yeah pull up that stunt cycle for me can you evil knievel did you ever have that

00:07:47.760 i don't think so dude that was so cool you'd pull the thing and then it would take off

00:07:52.300 oh that thing that thing was dope dude he was jumping shit and never making it yeah but you

00:07:59.520 were like he would watch and why world of sports and say he's gonna jump snake canyon and then he

00:08:04.200 would crash and he couldn't move well i read somewhere that daredevil back then daredevils

00:08:08.140 were popular oh they had yeah well that was a crazy thing yeah look at this there you go there's

00:08:12.180 a commercial for it yeah so dope and it never did the shit it did on the commercial dude no bro it

00:08:18.500 never nothing nothing ever did remember they were first coming out with shit that flied it never did

00:08:23.700 what was you know what i mean and i wasn't good enough to i was never i always needed an uncle or

00:08:27.380 someone to put it together i wasn't good at putting stuff together were you no i would take

00:08:30.940 it all out and i'd get furious or whatever yeah i tom sawyer i'd get someone that could do it help

00:08:35.580 me oh i see so you were extortionist wow i was just you know i'd do certain things for them or

00:08:41.220 could help but i needed help with this you know what i mean i knew my limitations theo i'm trying

00:08:46.420 to think of what we had we had rambo rambo was dope we had i played with toys till i was older

00:08:51.860 i played with toys young i love toys yeah yeah i'm trying to think of what toys we had i'm just

00:08:57.040 trying to think about it oh the wrestling figures was huge when i was a kid super huge i played with

00:09:01.900 smurfs too did you ever play with smurfs we would watch smurfs but uh we couldn't have those

00:09:06.880 collectibles the smurfs yes we're looking back the collectibles well they had like those little

00:09:10.620 smurfs you'd buy but looking back i don't think this the smurfs uh age as well they didn't do it

00:09:16.720 yeah gargamel was just weird i think he got a little one lady smurfette they only had one going

00:09:22.160 down. And there was, so yeah, there

00:09:24.140 was sort of a, bring up Smurfette. She was kind

00:09:26.140 of, she was cute, but

00:09:28.060 she didn't have enough. She had a girl next door going.

00:09:30.560 She didn't have enough body on her. No.

00:09:32.380 No. No.

00:09:33.940 But none of them did. Yeah, you're right. That's a good

00:09:36.080 point. But what was Gargamel doing

00:09:38.020 there? Remember they had the dude? I don't remember. He was just a bad guy.

00:09:41.000 Yeah, but it seemed like

00:09:42.060 more than that, though, to me.

00:09:44.340 I've seen it. They say that there's like a whole

00:09:46.160 like dark kind of thing behind

00:09:48.080 it. There's some stuff with Smurfs being really bad.

00:09:50.860 Oh, really? I think so.

00:09:52.040 Yeah, there's some-

00:09:52.800 Like a conspiracy theory?

00:09:53.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:54.720 Well, there's all those Disney had the secret cocks in the movies.

00:09:57.840 Remember that whole thing?

00:09:58.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:59.360 And they did, by the way.

00:10:00.380 Did they?

00:10:00.920 I think that you could find those.

00:10:02.120 I never even looked at it.

00:10:02.940 Did you ever smoke cigarettes?

00:10:04.360 Oh, yeah.

00:10:04.940 Remember Camel?

00:10:06.220 Mm-hmm.

00:10:06.580 They have that weird stuff on the Camel cigarette.

00:10:08.860 It looks like a guy, I think, who's naked or something, right?

00:10:11.900 I don't know.

00:10:13.080 Put up those Camel cigarettes.

00:10:14.760 Remember you could make out the outline of a guy on-

00:10:17.540 With a wiener?

00:10:18.440 I think so.

00:10:19.920 I think if you look at it hard enough.

00:10:21.640 You look at anything, you'll see a little bit of cock, I feel like.

00:10:24.800 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:25.500 If you mill around a gas station, you'll...

00:10:27.160 I'm going to get up there and see it.

00:10:27.880 Dude, you spend 40 minutes at a gas station, you'll see somebody's cock.

00:10:31.120 That's what you're looking for.

00:10:31.940 Let's see.

00:10:33.240 Oh, yeah.

00:10:33.860 Come look at old boy.

00:10:35.360 Look at his hands around his hips like this.

00:10:37.120 Same shit here.

00:10:37.900 Let me see that.

00:10:38.520 Hold a second.

00:10:39.440 Looks like, yeah, right there.

00:10:40.860 There we go.

00:10:41.140 Look at the plan to stay.

00:10:42.260 Yes!

00:10:42.580 That ain't shit.

00:10:43.520 I'm telling you, that's something.

00:10:44.780 That ain't an accident.

00:10:45.340 You think that's a guy with a...

00:10:46.760 Dude, just...

00:10:47.300 Are you guys just a dude standing up?

00:10:49.000 No?

00:10:50.080 Dude, there's a picture of a guy smoking like,

00:10:52.140 I mean, I'll tell you this, though.

00:10:56.740 If that were like 15, 20 years ago,

00:10:58.620 then yes, we would all think that.

00:11:00.100 Did you ever hear shit too,

00:11:01.340 like pop rocks and Coca-Cola

00:11:03.120 and make your stomach blow up and all that?

00:11:05.200 Yeah, or they'll kill a Bichon

00:11:06.360 or whatever you give them to them.

00:11:07.660 Yeah, totally.

00:11:08.640 Oh, yeah, that was-

00:11:09.380 People were bored.

00:11:10.080 We didn't have the internet.

00:11:10.920 We were making shit up, bro.

00:11:12.140 We were hearing like Rod Stewart

00:11:13.780 had to get his stomach pumped.

00:11:14.980 Were you hearing all that?

00:11:15.660 Oh, yeah, and they said Richard Gere

00:11:17.000 was like working for a-

00:11:18.140 You had a hamster?

00:11:19.400 You had a hamster?

00:11:19.760 I don't think that's true.

00:11:20.700 I don't want to discourage nobody.

00:11:21.840 But I think this was the stuff going around.

00:11:23.360 Yeah, but that was a great rumor that got started.

00:11:24.700 Yeah, that was camel cigarettes.

00:11:26.000 Had some fucking naked dude on it.

00:11:27.640 That's what was in the news.

00:11:29.340 That's a real...

00:11:29.840 That was the news, baby.

00:11:31.060 That's crazy.

00:11:31.940 I do miss when they had more imagination, though.

00:11:34.280 Even like you're saying, that was something interesting.

00:11:36.060 You said, like, when you were in the basement, your imagination, if it was big, it could

00:11:40.340 be a blessing and a curse, because it could really create the darkness, too.

00:11:43.300 I think a big imagination is both.

00:11:45.400 But yes, I think if you have a great inner life,

00:11:48.520 like would you talk to yourself a lot?

00:11:50.420 Oh, yeah, I'll be harrowing.

00:11:52.160 I'll be like, you're a piece of shit.

00:11:53.440 I know.

00:11:53.820 Sometimes good.

00:11:54.980 Occasionally, sometimes like Merry Christmas.

00:11:56.740 I remember one time.

00:11:57.640 That's so good.

00:11:58.720 I remember one time leaving a situation with older kids

00:12:02.340 and not loving the exchange.

00:12:04.580 And I was kind of walking my bike back.

00:12:06.340 I was kind of talking out loud and playing different sides of the conversation.

00:12:10.720 And there was one of the boys that happened to leave at the same time,

00:12:13.580 and he was behind me.

00:12:15.080 really hearing me kind of have this conversation and I kind of so then I kept talking but steering

00:12:21.740 it with a different kind of point of view to kind of hide the fact that I was that I was just working

00:12:26.480 out out loud like I kind of saw him but I made I kept going but steering it in a place where I felt

00:12:31.280 more comfortable with what I was saying like you were like just making up things that made sense

00:12:35.880 that would have made it justifiable to him yeah or not seem as nuts you know oh dude one time me

00:12:41.640 and my friend we got in a fight or something in a ditch and uh and with some other kids and then

00:12:47.540 we were riding our bikes leaving and i think we got the fight was pretty even but we kind of went

00:12:52.500 to like high five like that and our hands got kind of stuck together while we're riding our bikes so

00:12:58.100 it just looked like two dudes just like holding hands up in the air and proud of it yeah bro but

00:13:03.700 everyone should see this it seemed like we're like a couple harvey milk fans just like leaving a

00:13:08.540 speech triumphant yes if we seemed a little too triumphant like and i still our hands got locked

00:13:13.900 and we were riding our bikes with the other and just holding our bikes up both riding the same

00:13:17.200 way so we couldn't let them go so i'm sure to these dudes it looked like oh these dudes are

00:13:20.700 a couple of zest well really you were really wanting to not damage the friendship over the

00:13:25.080 fight yeah so you were overly connecting and making up for the for the for the fight well

00:13:30.780 the kids we had fought were down the street oh so you guys were celebrating how you did we were

00:13:35.320 kind of celebrating well i don't think we did that great but i think we just went to do a high

00:13:39.080 five you were in it together no one ran right and our hands got locked so i'm sure they looked and

00:13:42.680 they're like oh we just beat up these two gay kids probably and i'm not saying that but that

00:13:47.600 could have been what they said you don't know what they were thinking you're just saying it

00:13:50.100 i know what they were thinking and that's probably what it was um yeah dude i i i'm i'm super

00:13:58.220 nostalgic yeah i try to i can be but you gotta you gotta move on too it's it's a i think it's

00:14:04.080 good to reflect on that i think it's good to be where you're at yeah both when you were in college

00:14:08.780 did you like live in the dorms or anything i never went to college oh you didn't at all did you oh

00:14:12.200 yeah i went to lsu i went to uh oh i got a lot of friends who went there at my college hugh hayden

00:14:16.380 oh i know hugh dude i met you with hugh before he's my guy is he still alive yeah dude fucking

00:14:22.400 hayden's the greatest isn't he oh yeah i go down and watch the games uh i'll go watch lsu with him

00:14:27.380 uh i always have fun going to those games yeah maybe that's where i've seen you yeah it could

00:14:30.960 He's a great guy, Hugh.

00:14:32.560 Hugh knows everybody.

00:14:33.360 Oh, he knows everybody.

00:14:34.740 He's like the glue of New Orleans, probably.

00:14:36.900 And the Better Than Ezra guys, those guys are great.

00:14:38.980 I know those dudes, yeah.

00:14:40.040 Kevin Griffin, I see him a lot.

00:14:41.420 He has a big festival over there in the Pilgrimage Music Festival that he helped start.

00:14:46.460 Yeah, Hayden was friends with all those guys, too.

00:14:49.000 Oh, dude, you met Drew Brees?

00:14:50.940 Yeah, he's a terrific guy.

00:14:53.260 Oh, wow.

00:14:54.500 Yeah, because Hugh's friends with...

00:14:55.980 I got to meet a lot of those guys.

00:14:57.220 Hayden is obviously friends with a lot of the Saints and stuff, too,

00:15:00.360 and Mickey Loomis and those guys.

00:15:01.900 And he was friends with all my ex-girlfriends somehow,

00:15:03.820 which is interesting.

00:15:05.080 He was the best-looking guy they had.

00:15:07.300 Yeah.

00:15:07.780 I mean, he was a good-looking guy.

00:15:08.800 He makes friends with...

00:15:09.740 Yeah, he does good.

00:15:10.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:11.600 Look, I don't know if they're just friends.

00:15:13.440 I don't know either.

00:15:14.460 I'm insinuating they're not.

00:15:15.460 I think it's all groovy.

00:15:16.640 I don't think there's any strings.

00:15:18.280 But I'm just saying, it may not have just stayed like...

00:15:20.520 They might not have just been sitting down

00:15:22.180 playing Canasta with each other.

00:15:23.540 Yeah, that's totally true.

00:15:25.400 They may not just be hooking up and playing Rummikyu.

00:15:27.560 I know.

00:15:28.000 There might be some connections going on.

00:15:31.180 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:15:31.880 Hugh was just like, yeah.

00:15:33.040 I mean, everybody knew him.

00:15:34.300 I just texted with him yesterday.

00:15:36.340 Really?

00:15:36.980 He's a good guy.

00:15:37.800 I love him.

00:15:37.820 So you guys keep in touch a decent amount?

00:15:39.080 I do, yeah.

00:15:39.640 Yeah.

00:15:40.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:41.100 Well, it's just so fun down there.

00:15:43.020 It is fun down there.

00:15:43.940 I was supposed to do it.

00:15:44.440 Did you think about going to, when you left here, did you think about going there?

00:15:48.680 Oh, going back to Louisiana?

00:15:50.620 It's a little too slow down there sometimes, you know?

00:15:54.300 and i how much did how much did stand-up weigh on what you relocated to the ability to get up

00:16:00.740 that's a good question it didn't i was doing like a tour so at that point most of my sets i was like

00:16:06.200 going out of town and doing like four nights and then coming back like to like we go out so most

00:16:11.240 i wasn't getting up and practicing as much as much as i was just doing a tour so you would go take

00:16:15.540 out on a tour material that you hadn't workshopped all oh that i had but it was like this tour and

00:16:20.480 And touring ended up going for like three years because we kept finding more markets to go play.

00:16:25.340 So we'd play like smaller and smaller markets.

00:16:27.520 So you were changing material slightly, but you kind of had your base and you were just hitting areas you hadn't hit.

00:16:31.400 Gotcha.

00:16:31.700 And it was growing.

00:16:32.540 I was performing like four nights a week, but I was just on, it was like in venues and like as opposed to just doing practice sets.

00:16:38.000 How does that get as you get older, the road that way, that kind of longevity?

00:16:42.400 Is it something you're still excited about or does it become more of a job?

00:16:46.380 It definitely becomes more of a job and you have to take more breaks.

00:16:49.200 I didn't realize it, you know.

00:16:50.480 because you want you got to fill up your tank well yeah yeah you got to fill up your tank recreate

00:16:54.580 recreation recreate oh i've burned that a few times do you bring a crew with you or do you go

00:16:59.620 solo i take a tour manager um a couple other comedians and then we'll bring like a for some

00:17:06.300 of the venues we'll bring like screens and a truck so we have like one are they people you

00:17:09.460 enjoy and spend time with yeah that's good you need that yeah yeah but then that can become

00:17:14.680 unhealthy too spending too much time with them well yeah i mean you kind of become a circus

00:17:18.680 and it's good because you have each other,

00:17:20.420 but then you kind of are so with each other so much.

00:17:23.920 Oh, yeah, you can get a family fight type of energy.

00:17:25.940 Yeah, you need a break sometimes too.

00:17:27.580 Yeah, I guess as you get,

00:17:29.080 do you choose films based on now

00:17:31.780 that you want to work with your friends?

00:17:34.140 Well, I have kids now,

00:17:35.400 so once you have kids,

00:17:36.760 that really becomes your priority.

00:17:38.240 I have so many great friends

00:17:39.300 that I just don't see that often

00:17:40.720 because we're on different cycles.

00:17:43.080 Their kids are at different ages than mine

00:17:45.460 or live in a different area.

00:17:46.680 So the family is really, and your kids become the calling card.

00:17:51.060 You know, it's always funny.

00:17:51.800 I thought of a movie I did with this, which is when your kids are real young, they're a lot of work.

00:17:57.220 Like me and my wife didn't have any help.

00:17:58.660 It was just me and her, which I –

00:18:00.100 Really?

00:18:00.480 Well, that's how I grew up, so I liked it like that.

00:18:03.300 As they got older and I would leave for movies, we'd have people who kind of can help her driving and stuff.

00:18:08.560 But I found that, like, you're so desperate to have other people that have kids your age.

00:18:15.460 because it's a lot of work.

00:18:17.320 So when the kids get to be three or four,

00:18:19.040 if you meet other people with kids the same age,

00:18:21.820 you can hang out, have a glass of wine, whatever,

00:18:25.860 and the kids play together, so that's nice.

00:18:27.620 But all you really have in common is your kids are the same age.

00:18:30.940 And then it feels like a good idea to go on spring break with them

00:18:34.980 because that's easy.

00:18:35.860 You can put the kids, can do stuff together,

00:18:37.420 and the parents could hang.

00:18:38.520 But then you can realize that you have very different parenting styles.

00:18:42.200 Have you been in some situations like that?

00:18:43.780 I think everybody has.

00:18:44.820 It's sort of funny.

00:18:45.460 But you're like, is that guy going to tell his son to stop hitting my daughter?

00:18:49.520 Or am I going to have to say something?

00:18:50.680 You know what I mean?

00:18:51.480 Or is that guy's way too – that guy's screaming at his son.

00:18:54.160 He's an inch from his face.

00:18:55.440 Or these guys are getting super drunk and falling down in front of their kids.

00:18:58.380 So you just don't know until you go on that trip what the parenting and how they roll.

00:19:04.580 But you kind of hang with them.

00:19:07.240 And I'm sure everyone feels that way.

00:19:10.080 So it's sort of something you start to hang out with more people who have kids in your area.

00:19:15.460 because your kids' schedules are dominating your time.

00:19:18.480 Way more than you would hang out with friends

00:19:19.940 that you had in common through comedy

00:19:21.440 or through other stuff because...

00:19:23.280 So it's all the kids.

00:19:24.000 It's all the kids, yeah.

00:19:25.580 Have you ever been shocked

00:19:26.600 if your kid picks a certain friend

00:19:27.980 and you're like, no, that's not the kid.

00:19:30.460 I kind of let my kids...

00:19:31.540 I mean, I give them kind of a baseline

00:19:33.200 of things to look for,

00:19:34.920 and then I let them make their mistakes

00:19:36.380 and go through it.

00:19:36.900 But I've been fortunate.

00:19:37.640 My kids both have pretty good friends.

00:19:39.700 They handle themselves well.

00:19:41.120 I get nice reports that they treat kids good.

00:19:43.240 Yeah, I get texts all the time

00:19:45.240 will hear stuff saying, oh, your daughter walked my daughter out of this situation and was nice to

00:19:51.700 her. So that makes you feel good. But yeah, I think it's not as complicated as people make it,

00:19:56.380 Theo. I think it gets overcomplicated in a city in LA if everyone's competing to get into the

00:20:01.940 right school. Do you know what I'm saying? But I think if it's just a basic idea of how you

00:20:07.060 go about handling stuff, you kind of attract people that share those ideas. But if you're

00:20:13.480 competing all the time i think you're kind of going to get in a bad situation is your uh did

00:20:18.820 you choose a good wife i did yeah she's from canada she grew up on a farm that's where you

00:20:23.020 gotta get him you're so funny dude the way you said that was like that's the secret code well

00:20:29.040 a lot of people are like yeah i'm definitely looking at canada even further i'll take something

00:20:34.420 that's you know i'm saying that's still on ice are you going i'll take a freaking inuit i'll

00:20:38.420 take something that's in the freezer section you know i'm saying something that hasn't been thawed

00:20:42.840 out by some of these desperate ways of america you know i tell you it's you got good and bad

00:20:48.700 people everywhere for sure but i definitely i definitely look for somebody who you know i like

00:20:54.480 their base values and how they handle stuff i think that goes a long way because a lot of

00:20:58.580 parenting is problem solving yeah working with each other yeah and they have good posture up

00:21:04.140 there in canada you notice they have the best posture i haven't noticed that watch canadians

00:21:07.660 when they go by you could barely even see them they're so interesting just horizontal longitudinal

00:21:13.740 you'd be even a little surprised you don't see them like africans with that like you know carrying

00:21:18.120 shit on their head oh yeah yeah you remember that they always have a basket carrying walk around

00:21:22.220 real casual like a because their posture was great oh yeah yeah and someone would even like

00:21:27.140 if the ladies would get pissed they would be like but not even spilling anything dropping not a

00:21:32.180 freaking melon would fall out of the basket oh dude i remember i went to south africa a couple times

00:21:36.320 and you would see a lot of people walking

00:21:37.600 and that was how they would travel

00:21:38.840 to Stacking on the Dome.

00:21:40.060 I'd never been to South Africa.

00:21:40.940 Oh, it was so nice.

00:21:41.760 You liked it?

00:21:42.840 Yeah, because there's just so much going on, you know?

00:21:47.040 Yeah, just like it's beautiful and amazing

00:21:49.480 and there's these beaches

00:21:50.680 and there's all this insane history.

00:21:52.620 Were you there for a vacation or work?

00:21:54.460 I went there one time to Johannesburg

00:21:56.040 to do a comedy festival.

00:21:58.300 I went once when I did this thing called Semester at Sea

00:22:00.580 where you like went as a student

00:22:01.980 like on this boat and we went there.

00:22:03.720 Yeah.

00:22:04.340 Do you ever go somewhere for work

00:22:06.120 and then say, I want to come back when I have some downtime to hang.

00:22:08.800 That's cool.

00:22:09.440 That's the great thing about our work is you get to travel.

00:22:12.660 I find that to be a great education.

00:22:15.180 Oh, yeah, for sure, dude.

00:22:17.060 Going to Vietnam or whatever.

00:22:18.720 I'm trying to think of some other neat places.

00:22:20.760 Yeah, what's a place that you filmed in that you were like, wow, this kind of blew my mind,

00:22:23.960 even if it was an American city?

00:22:25.360 Yeah, there's been a lot of them.

00:22:26.620 I mean, I remember going, you know, as a kid, getting to go to New York and actually living there

00:22:32.820 It was very different for me, obviously, than I lived there for a while.

00:22:36.780 And you were acting then or not?

00:22:37.980 I was, yeah.

00:22:38.740 I never really traveled anywhere, bro, until work took me there.

00:22:42.740 Like for us, a vacation was in a – we would get in a station wagon.

00:22:46.200 Where would y'all go?

00:22:47.080 We'd drive to Florida or Arizona.

00:22:49.000 Dude, Florida.

00:22:49.740 You try not to get grounded because everyone's hopped up on sugar and shit

00:22:52.960 and you're crowded in and you try not to get in trouble in the back.

00:22:56.900 But we didn't really – we would drive most places for spring break.

00:23:00.140 I never left – I had relatives in Canada.

00:23:02.820 from my mom's side um so we would we would go up there uh but i never went to europe ever

00:23:08.780 yeah until i i had gone for work for sure did you no dude we didn't know even know about europe

00:23:15.380 the guy the janitor that drew the map on our like cement at our school left out three states of it

00:23:21.720 dude so there was like people were like what is happening like how does that happen just you know

00:23:27.180 what were the states um you wouldn't know because they didn't put them down yeah well i think it

00:23:32.220 was somewhere some of it i think maine i knew that maine was missing i didn't want to call him

00:23:36.200 out because i felt kind of bad for the guy but anyway yeah so we weren't going to europe dude

00:23:40.040 i remember canada they didn't even have it when i was a kid or whatever they had like a picture

00:23:44.720 i remember in our classroom they had america yeah because it was very everything was very

00:23:50.060 american then very like we are america and then they had a picture of a wolf like chasing a boy

00:23:55.840 and that was Canada, like chasing a cold boy.

00:23:59.820 And that was like what we thought was going on outside of there.

00:24:03.240 And Florida was the greatest place you could go in the world.

00:24:05.460 If somebody went to Florida and they came back to school

00:24:06.960 and had a shirt on and said, Florida, you were like, oh.

00:24:08.840 Oh, man, you killed it.

00:24:10.120 They are so rich.

00:24:11.560 Totally.

00:24:12.740 That's nice.

00:24:13.360 You guys would drive all the way from Illinois down to Florida?

00:24:16.000 Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio.

00:24:17.720 I go see my grandfather, had a little farm.

00:24:20.840 What kind of animals did they have over there?

00:24:23.260 He just had cows.

00:24:25.840 He just had cows.

00:24:27.320 I remember –

00:24:28.380 I like cows.

00:24:28.940 They're warm.

00:24:30.160 Yeah.

00:24:31.020 I remember as a kid, I was like in first grade and we were studying the pilgrims.

00:24:37.620 And, you know, the pilgrims were all in black and white.

00:24:40.300 And so when I – we drove from the farm to go see my grandfather.

00:24:44.360 I never saw him much.

00:24:45.360 But when you get to the smaller roads, they're like this narrow.

00:24:48.620 You know, there's – you can't get around.

00:24:49.900 There's just two lanes and those country roads are smaller roads.

00:24:53.900 And we were behind Amish.

00:24:55.020 I'd never seen Amish people.

00:24:56.940 Oh, yeah.

00:24:57.520 Never knew.

00:24:58.100 Time travelers.

00:24:58.840 I thought they were pilgrims.

00:25:00.460 Wow.

00:25:00.900 So you had a bunch of kids in black and white in the back of the carriage, you know, kind

00:25:06.560 of staring at us.

00:25:07.480 Like you couldn't break eye contact because they're looking right at you.

00:25:10.440 Yeah.

00:25:10.940 And they're fucking slow, bro.

00:25:12.540 They're not moving.

00:25:13.440 Like this horse is not excited.

00:25:15.140 And we're sitting behind them.

00:25:16.100 We had like a Lincoln Town car or something.

00:25:17.540 My dad was driving.

00:25:19.120 And it was so slow going.

00:25:20.720 And I remember going, why won't these pilgrims get out of our way?

00:25:24.520 And my dad lost his mind.

00:25:26.320 He pulled the car over and took my head off.

00:25:28.440 You're no better than these people.

00:25:30.020 Who are you to talk like that about someone?

00:25:32.000 But he didn't realize, like, I really thought they were pilgrims.

00:25:34.980 Wow.

00:25:35.480 I really thought that that was a pilgrim because I had had a slur.

00:25:37.840 I couldn't even understand.

00:25:39.560 Of course.

00:25:40.300 What?

00:25:40.660 These people live in not touching electricity, you know what I mean?

00:25:43.960 But my dad's great and my mom, but they were real keen on, you know, making sure that you

00:25:48.340 were, I think because they moved me to a nicer area, they were real big on making sure I

00:25:52.320 wasn't you know feeling better than anybody but i think he got that one wrong i think he thought i

00:25:57.720 was making fun of these amish people i didn't know what they were yeah you're like this could

00:26:01.920 be christopher columbus's children or whatever over here and they just you know they're all

00:26:06.380 hopped up on cheese curds and they're slowing down they're slow as fuck and we can't get around

00:26:10.780 them dude that's hilarious bro yeah that's kind of what we had in our classroom we were super pro

00:26:15.960 america too everything was it was taught in that way the pledge was good hell yes i liked it by

00:26:21.540 the way i love it i did too yeah well it kept us together it was like one thing you had in common

00:26:25.480 it was like if you at a certain point if you don't have anything in common if you if you take

00:26:29.220 away things that people have in common then they don't have anything in common i still feel the

00:26:32.520 same way i still feel like it's the best out there not that it's perfect there's a lot of

00:26:36.780 stuff going on i don't think i don't think we even i don't know how much control everyone even has

00:26:40.880 over it but but i still love the idea of it well a lot of people are going to homeschool now too

00:26:45.500 that's it yeah yeah there's more uh parents have switched to homeschooling uh now than even during

00:26:50.480 COVID. I did some of it. You did it? My daughter in first grade, we did it. I did some, you know,

00:26:55.700 I put it. Well, that's easy to teach though, dude. Traveling to the harder grades. Oh, you did. I had

00:26:59.340 a lady that was good. Yeah. But I get a curriculum, you know, and then I'd have a pick a curriculum

00:27:04.960 that I like Adelaide. But the first year she was by herself, which she'd look at me when I'd leave

00:27:08.900 her in the classroom like, fuck this. No one wants to be sitting by themselves. So then I found a

00:27:13.740 public hybrid school where she would go two days a week. And then I moved her to a local Catholic

00:27:19.380 school and now she goes to a big public high school and she's doing great but um for all the

00:27:24.160 same reasons you start looking at this stuff and figuring that you want to try to give a uh education

00:27:29.840 that is not so uh drowning and and and beating them down yeah you know what i mean not really

00:27:37.800 exactly i mean let me think about beating them down well meaning everything was taught from a

00:27:42.580 place for a while like pointing out everything bad and you can't say this you can't feel this way or

00:27:48.280 So much guilt education and, oh, you're bad to feel this way or that way.

00:27:54.120 And so I didn't, I thought it's just too heavy.

00:27:56.200 And also like just a hatred of anything.

00:27:59.320 And I just, I always, you know, like an optimism, positive.

00:28:04.820 And why not share different ideas?

00:28:06.860 Why not have differencing of opinions and create an environment where you can talk about different things?

00:28:12.660 Yeah.

00:28:13.020 It feels like there's a lot, yeah, like kids were just feeling bad about themselves or like we did this.

00:28:17.700 are all our people's and it's like what are we doing i'd go to my kids and say when i would get

00:28:22.700 stuff i'd say this is not the history of how this shit started this is not real we didn't invent any

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00:31:29.600 have a marriage right now um someone that you are serious with no but i would like to get there so

00:31:34.960 it'll happen sometime soon what's your process for that that's been the problem i just haven't

00:31:39.800 really i've been working so much that i didn't really focus on it much but now i'm trying to

00:31:43.760 focus on it more how old are you if you don't mind i'm 45 yeah so i'm going to i'm gonna i'm

00:31:49.620 I'm not going to die soon, but I'm going to, you know.

00:31:50.960 No, you've got time.

00:31:52.140 I think the thing that happens is we're so focused on the career and it takes up so much time.

00:31:58.300 And it's easy to put that to the sidelines.

00:32:01.100 But then as you get older, sometimes the joy or the things we got from the career aren't as high as they were.

00:32:07.840 And you start to look at family and the idea of it and say that would be fun.

00:32:11.420 Yeah.

00:32:11.900 So you take kind of the same approach that you take towards your career and you start to put those ideas on meeting somebody.

00:32:19.420 Yeah. And then you start to work at it in the same kind of way. And I think my opinion, sometimes

00:32:26.560 what are the things I'm doing that are good? What's not good? What's a good thing to bring

00:32:31.040 to a relationship? What's not working on yourself in a weird way? You'll come in contact with

00:32:36.840 somebody more than I got to go to the right class or go out during the day. It's more about doing

00:32:42.320 that kind of work on yourself. And then I think you'll kind of attract somebody in a similar

00:32:47.320 mindset, but I would say, put, don't put it off. Just focus on it a little bit in the same way

00:32:53.060 that you've done with your career. Did you have to do that in a year? Like, yeah, I got to a point

00:32:57.040 like you did. And I thought, I first, I thought, you know, maybe you don't get all the cards in

00:33:01.460 life. Like maybe I was so not focused on this. Right. It just doesn't work out. Now I'm older

00:33:06.140 and I wish I would have gotten started sooner. But then I thought, you know, I want to ask God

00:33:10.760 for those years back. Like I, I, I can get those years better than I would have had them if I want,

00:33:15.640 if I'm asking for him now, because now I'm wanting that. Does that make sense? Yeah.

00:33:20.320 So now that you want it, you say, why can't I have it now? And whatever way it looks for you

00:33:24.660 at 45. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think you're right. I think the more I just keep realizing it's not me

00:33:30.760 like, cause sometimes they're like, I don't really want to go out or go do this thing or

00:33:34.680 something, but maybe I'll meet somebody. Right. And maybe I'll, but then it's a lot of times

00:33:38.860 I'm still meeting somebody with the same kind of, I'm showing up with some of the same problems

00:33:45.340 that I still, that have prevented me.

00:33:46.840 So I think you're right about,

00:33:48.400 instead of like out there metal detecting,

00:33:51.220 maybe stay home and work on the magnet a little bit.

00:33:52.880 But I think do it with grace too.

00:33:54.180 You can say, you know, I don't want to do this.

00:33:56.120 This would be better.

00:33:56.840 What do I look, and also I think you go,

00:33:58.400 what do I want in a person that I'm going to be married to?

00:34:01.840 What do I want and what don't I want?

00:34:03.880 Like just thinking about it.

00:34:04.940 It's almost like the same as a standup.

00:34:06.680 What kind of venues do I want to play?

00:34:08.920 What kind of podcast, what do I want to do?

00:34:10.560 And by making those decisions,

00:34:12.800 you can manifest something you're excited about.

00:34:16.600 Yeah, I think a good mom, that's what I want to have.

00:34:18.920 A wife that's a good mom.

00:34:19.920 That's probably the number one thing.

00:34:20.840 100%, yeah.

00:34:21.980 Did your wife have to introduce you to her dad or whatever,

00:34:24.760 like they do in the movies or whatever?

00:34:26.900 They were kind of, I met them pretty quickly.

00:34:29.400 I did call him and Sam and ask her to marry,

00:34:31.880 and I think he was appreciative of it.

00:34:33.480 But they weren't as much like that.

00:34:35.980 I was raised like that.

00:34:37.140 Yeah.

00:34:37.420 Were you?

00:34:38.860 No, dude.

00:34:39.520 There was like a lot of domestic abuse in our area

00:34:41.880 and people hiding drugs in each other's bedrooms and stuff like that.

00:34:46.960 So it was more-

00:34:47.440 But those are relationships that aren't going well.

00:34:49.960 Yeah, pretty much.

00:34:50.760 Right.

00:34:51.160 But I'm saying you would want to, you know, the family.

00:34:54.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:54.700 I would like to have like a family.

00:34:56.680 I'm okay with like people fighting at night before they go to bed a little bit.

00:34:59.500 Show me a normal family, I'll show you a liar.

00:35:01.340 Everyone's going to go through their bullshit.

00:35:02.980 No one's like fucking killing it.

00:35:04.920 You know what I mean?

00:35:05.480 Everyone's got their shit they fight about.

00:35:06.920 There's days anybody's mad at anybody.

00:35:08.860 So that's never going to go away.

00:35:10.100 You're just trying to aim it a little better.

00:35:11.480 yeah yeah oh oh yeah yeah yeah just shoot a little bit and a little bit i just want my arrow to end

00:35:17.360 at least in a different area yeah yeah but dude yeah i remember one time we were so mad at our

00:35:21.620 mom and we're like crying we're all crying that we try to like put all of our tears in like a

00:35:25.040 little jar and we're gonna take them to the police and be like look what's happening at the house

00:35:29.420 but they won't stay in there they like in the morning they were gone or whatever isn't that

00:35:32.940 interesting yeah yeah but i remember that i remember us like were you real tight with your

00:35:38.160 mom no we weren't that tight but we're tighter now that's good yeah i just went and surprised

00:35:42.120 her for valentine's day the other day that's nice we had a nice time dude you got brothers and

00:35:46.740 sisters uh yeah i got a couple brothers and sisters close it's gotten better over the years

00:35:50.960 yeah yeah what about what do you got same it's older sisters and uh and you were the boy i was

00:35:56.620 the youngest yeah and they were older sisters yeah no did they ever have friends come over

00:36:00.540 and you're just like ogling or whatever or were you put on a tuxedo they were like five they were

00:36:04.120 five or six years older so no i would it's the best i would sometimes get thrown under the bus

00:36:08.540 to look cool for the older friends you know like you'd hang out and play and then when the older

00:36:13.300 friends would come all you weren't included that's normal shit yeah go hide vince yeah did they call

00:36:19.180 you vince or is that did they what they call you they called me vince if they weren't mad at me

00:36:23.100 then they call you anything we fight like crazy younger you'd be like you'd be hot and then you'd

00:36:27.100 be friends and you love each other you know like anything yeah you'd really go at it when you go

00:36:30.880 Did you have this?

00:36:32.180 Sometimes when you get in a fight with your siblings,

00:36:34.260 it's really like a game of tag.

00:36:38.340 You'd be so pissed and you'd hit somebody,

00:36:40.620 but then you'd be afraid because now you got them.

00:36:42.940 So then they'd turn around mad.

00:36:45.040 And now they try to come to get you real bad,

00:36:47.280 and you were trying to get to the door to shut it.

00:36:50.380 And then if they got you, it would go the other way.

00:36:52.680 So it's like whoever got the other one hard last

00:36:54.880 is kind of how the fights would go.

00:36:56.840 Yeah, it would end when somebody already brought it to mom.

00:36:58.980 And then seeing kids run around their mom is one of the funniest things, you know?

00:37:02.980 Like they're hiding.

00:37:03.940 It's so funny when you watch a kid with their mom sometimes and they're just like, you know, they're moving in between the moms.

00:37:08.660 Like they're just running or, you know, they're all like, or they're fighting around the mom.

00:37:11.380 That kind of shit is fun.

00:37:12.180 Or even how kids play hide and seek.

00:37:13.840 Like an ostrich.

00:37:14.720 Their ass will stick out, but their head will be behind a curtain.

00:37:17.860 You ever seen kids play hide and seek?

00:37:19.440 Dude, sometimes a kid will just sit there and cover his eyes.

00:37:22.160 I'll be laughing wildly.

00:37:23.480 Dude, we could see you, dude.

00:37:25.140 Thank God there's not a kidnapper after the kid.

00:37:27.340 yeah we didn't have i think we had some we had a decent amount of like uh they used to have a law

00:37:32.100 that they would put like if you was like a sex offenders or whatever children sex offenders you

00:37:37.060 had to go around and go door to door right which was the worst because we all we lived at how our

00:37:41.760 mom was working so it would just be these guys would come and they'd be like i have to let you

00:37:44.900 know i live in the air i'm a sex offender it would just be us kids i live in the air i'm into super

00:37:48.420 young guys just letting you know mom but mom would be gone and that was like at every house i'm like

00:37:53.940 who put this rule together yeah now it's on an app yeah that's easier now i know but it's weird

00:37:59.800 because you're like oh geez this guy over here he's only a 60 feet away better not know him we

00:38:03.940 just walk around we were always outside going around nobody paid attention to us dude yeah

00:38:08.720 that was being living it that was the best we had this one kid named kirby that tried to

00:38:12.560 crawl through the ditch culvert one time and the government had to come and get him or whatever i

00:38:17.460 remember the government had to come get him that government man came down to do some work shit

00:38:22.760 like that was the best way this dude in milford that would drive uh the school bus and he was

00:38:26.300 always they were always coming and checking to see if he was drunk it was just like it was yeah

00:38:31.260 but there was nothing like that being like we find out stuff later that a teacher molested people and

00:38:35.940 stuff oh yeah you find that out later yeah yeah anyway that kind of took a turn yeah um

00:38:42.100 let's talk a little bit about well i watched your movie uh mike and nick and nick and alice

00:38:48.580 Alice yeah it's cool man yeah cool the way that they shot somewhere they slowed it down yeah you

00:38:54.040 know I'm talking about stylized yeah yeah it was interesting was that a choice that was made kind

00:38:57.840 of later do you have any clue or do you have anything to do about that it's a director who

00:39:01.040 puts it all together and he kind of has a stylized point of view to do it but I I liked it I thought

00:39:06.040 it came out cool yeah well it's just bizarre it was like early just like it made me think oh things

00:39:11.140 can be different yeah yeah like like when he would do flashbacks you're saying well like even with

00:39:15.780 like there's like a moment where they have that cat that's in there and they show him but it's

00:39:19.700 like uh it goes in slow motion just for like a moment or something i just thought it was pretty

00:39:24.340 style it was pretty stylized that's what i thought i agree um yeah and so i don't want to give too

00:39:28.880 much of it away but so your character kind of goes back what can we say you can say whatever

00:39:35.040 you want just kind of a sci-fi thing where it's it's rated it's like a rated r comedy with action

00:39:39.800 and it's got this kind of sci-fi twist to it and your character you if you play two two characters

00:39:46.280 yeah of you yes yeah it was kind of cool to see like because you always wonder well i wonder what

00:39:51.900 it would be like if you played this character in this thing while you're watching somebody in

00:39:54.860 something but to see him play two people that was like oh that's it's like i can't even explain it

00:40:01.380 was just like it almost seemed like an experiment it's crazy what they do with technology now

00:40:05.820 because you kind of film one side of it then you film the other side and they put it

00:40:09.960 you know together like it's one thing that technology's gotten so much more advanced

00:40:14.320 uh was there tough moments to play like two different characters in the same thing or you

00:40:18.120 didn't really think about it i was amazed at how different the guys actually seemed because i was

00:40:21.600 like oh well at one point i'm just going to kind of get confused but i didn't at all yeah they make

00:40:26.000 them a little different because one's obviously been alive longer and you're going back in time

00:40:30.340 but yeah it was a different experience for sure so i kind of like doing stuff that's a little

00:40:34.940 different you get bored doing the same stuff so anytime i'm doing something that's a little

00:40:39.140 different i like that so it was it wasn't too bad i mean sometimes it was just more stuff to film

00:40:45.180 because you're playing two characters in a scene oh that's true but um i i like trying different

00:40:51.040 stuff was there um i read some of the you were almost in the matrix one time i don't know about

00:40:56.640 that that wouldn't i don't remember i don't remember that sometimes there's stuff i've

00:41:01.040 turned down but that i don't remember that being one of them yeah um your first one of your first

00:41:07.040 movies was um rudy that's the best huh that was fun yeah dude i still sometimes uh see that guy

00:41:16.300 clapping by the so funny bro yeah that's so funny it's such a slow crap oh slow clap charles s

00:41:22.900 dutton that's the actor yeah he was great yeah did he pass away i don't know if he did or he

00:41:27.080 didn't let's go back to the board here bring him up he was cool he was great in that part

00:41:32.560 oh he was so good great speech to rudy yeah gratitude still alive hell yeah come on charles

00:41:39.660 show them charles um and he was in the show yeah they had a show called rock when i was a kid that

00:41:45.020 he was on yeah that guy was great dude um did you ever meet the real rudy over there i did yeah yeah

00:41:52.420 i didn't hang out with him much but he was there i said hi to a few times yeah yeah because i went

00:41:57.000 over there to Mishawaka, Indiana. I used to go do comedy over there. Sometimes he had a comedy club

00:42:00.320 right on the- He owned a comedy club? No, no. They had one on the edge of town there,

00:42:04.940 right outside of where Notre Dame was. Gotcha. And I would go- Have you been to a game there?

00:42:09.580 I've never been to a game. It's cool. Yeah? Yeah. Tradition. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I would love to go.

00:42:13.740 Well, the grass right there, when you walk onto the campus at Notre Dame, it's like beautiful.

00:42:17.300 And then when you're off the grass, off campus, it's a little bit different grass.

00:42:20.600 Yeah, totally. They do- It's more like the grass has been drinking or whatever during,

00:42:23.780 you know, during the day even.

00:42:25.580 That day drinking.

00:42:26.880 Yeah, but on campus, it's super nice.

00:42:28.520 Yeah, they take care of it for sure.

00:42:30.640 Oh, is that the campus right there?

00:42:33.100 Yeah, that's nice.

00:42:34.260 Give me that one with the snow right there.

00:42:35.820 That's nice.

00:42:38.760 Yeah, that's one thing I do like about Nashville

00:42:40.480 is that we do get some cold weather over there.

00:42:42.340 That's kind of a vibe.

00:42:43.500 Do you miss that about the Midwest,

00:42:44.840 about having cold weather?

00:42:46.860 I think whatever you get used to,

00:42:48.740 I don't mind the cold.

00:42:50.600 I'm always ready to be done with it come January.

00:42:52.940 I like it for the holidays, but come February, I'm done with it.

00:42:56.140 As a kid, I loved it.

00:42:57.700 What would y'all do?

00:42:58.520 Just go play in the snow or get a snow day.

00:43:00.740 You know, as an adult, you're scraping it off the driveway.

00:43:02.840 You're scraping your car.

00:43:03.740 It's more maintenance.

00:43:04.800 And getting kids ready in the snow is a lot more time.

00:43:07.620 Yeah, you got to lock them down.

00:43:09.460 Lock them down.

00:43:10.200 And then their face is just like a thing of snot and just redness.

00:43:13.380 Like Christmas Story.

00:43:15.460 Dude, the guy from Christmas Story, I met him with you.

00:43:17.620 Yeah, he's one of my best friends.

00:43:19.320 Peter Billingsley?

00:43:20.080 Peter Billingsley, yeah.

00:43:20.940 He's my closest friend.

00:43:21.640 He's a great guy.

00:43:22.340 Yeah, because I met you guys. So you guys started the Wild West Comedy Festival. What was that? Because that was the National Comedy Festival, right?

00:43:28.080 Yeah, well, what was it?

00:43:29.560 I'll tell you what it was. I had a lot of friends that were stand-ups, but there wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the, like, 90s.

00:43:37.320 We did Swingers. We wrote in the script, it was the line that said, because Favreau's character was a stand-up, an ex-stand-up in that movie.

00:43:47.520 So he wrote the line saying, in the 80s, it felt like they were handing out pilots to stand-ups at the airport.

00:43:53.700 And then it was a time where there really wasn't a lot for stand-ups.

00:43:57.120 So I just started trying to help friends of mine out that were stand-up comedians.

00:44:00.660 I did that Wild West comedy show where I went around and did 30 Days and put Sebastian was on that.

00:44:06.140 Oh, would y'all just do it everywhere?

00:44:07.740 I just would go hit 30 cities in 30 days because it seemed fun to me.

00:44:10.580 So we perform every night.

00:44:12.060 We did 30 nights in a row.

00:44:13.140 but I was really trying to help some of my friends

00:44:15.200 like Ahmed that I knew guys that were stand-up comics

00:44:17.500 oh yeah John Caprullo I saw him last night

00:44:19.520 at the comedy store so there was a bunch of stand-ups

00:44:21.200 because there wasn't as much opportunities it's crazy

00:44:23.440 because now stand-ups have a lot more opportunities

00:44:25.540 Brad Ernst

00:44:27.460 is on there wow I like Brad

00:44:28.960 but anyway so they started going

00:44:31.340 but now then what

00:44:33.300 happened is the stand-ups now

00:44:35.360 have a lot more opportunity

00:44:36.720 but at the time they're just it wasn't

00:44:39.240 as viable like I think in the last

00:44:41.180 15 years stand-up really had this

00:44:43.120 renaissance where so much came out of it and I look at the stand-up stuff a little bit like

00:44:49.900 what happened with improv like I did improv when I was a kid in Chicago when I was in high school

00:44:54.960 because there was a improv olympic that was an offshoot of second city but it wasn't it was just

00:45:00.140 a place to go train and it was fun it wasn't that big big of a deal I enjoyed it and I learned stuff

00:45:04.640 there but I didn't stay the whole time I came out to California after high school but as I got older

00:45:10.320 there started to be these different improv groups.

00:45:12.880 And then it became like a religion.

00:45:15.040 This improv group thought that that improv group wasn't good.

00:45:18.960 This improv group is good at sketch.

00:45:20.940 This is good at characters.

00:45:22.340 And I thought, this is fucking improv.

00:45:24.500 Like, who the fuck is talking about improv?

00:45:26.780 Yeah, it's like when mimes start beefing or whatever.

00:45:28.860 You know what I mean?

00:45:29.580 It's just comedy.

00:45:31.840 Like, what is that?

00:45:32.420 I mean, what are you talking?

00:45:33.300 It's so fucking crazy to me.

00:45:35.480 And so then stand-up kind of went through the same thing

00:45:37.860 where it started to form into like this standup group

00:45:40.780 or this group or a comic is this.

00:45:43.680 And I thought, Jesus, it's the same shit

00:45:45.660 where it starts to get too self-important.

00:45:47.980 And I think ultimately comedy is a big tent.

00:45:51.760 You can go real cerebral or you can be physical.

00:45:54.620 It doesn't matter.

00:45:55.460 There's nothing that prestigious

00:45:59.440 or like a stamp of approval about it.

00:46:02.140 Yeah, I agree.

00:46:02.760 It's gotten to that place recently.

00:46:04.000 There's been like kind of like infighting.

00:46:05.760 I don't know if it's infighting.

00:46:06.780 It's like rappers.

00:46:07.380 it's so silly but everybody's afraid to kill each other it's weird right it's just so stupid

00:46:12.720 so i'm just saying we either either we need a tupac and biggie from we need somebody gotta go

00:46:18.280 real bad yeah to get good yeah yeah or it's just gotta stop or it's it's silly but it is silly

00:46:23.380 silly bro a lot of it got political too i think politics came into stuff i think that's

00:46:27.540 has happened a lot over the past few years um with people like attaching themselves like heavily

00:46:32.860 attaching themselves to politics uh which is part of the job because you're going to talk about

00:46:38.180 current events right but to attach yourself but you don't want to become part of a group

00:46:42.460 and feel like you're now you're a a champion for one ideology you want to make fun of everybody

00:46:48.440 yeah i agree yeah it's happened more over the past few years but it's always been that

00:46:55.560 well it was for a long time it was like uh you know hollywood is pretty much overly kind of a

00:47:01.240 liberal place yeah and so you would have but not really yeah you know what i mean yeah it's more

00:47:08.100 like uh we're smart and got it figured out and if you don't agree then you're then you're an idiot

00:47:14.800 yeah yeah not liberal in the way that we think where it's like hey it's all groovy

00:47:21.700 right yeah it's not liberal like a hippie with a joint no no maybe it was pursuit of happiness

00:47:27.140 That's cool.

00:47:27.960 Whatever makes you happy, bro.

00:47:29.180 Right, that's cool.

00:47:30.000 Maybe it was at one point, though, I think.

00:47:32.320 I don't know.

00:47:32.860 But it's definitely got more of an elitist take, like this is our way or the highway.

00:47:36.760 I think it's changing now.

00:47:38.180 Well, do you think it's dissolving now, or do you think it's just spacing out more now?

00:47:42.800 That's an interesting conversation, too, because I hear this from the different groups, too.

00:47:49.500 I do think that there's less control in some ways.

00:47:52.440 But I also think that they put themselves in a corner with trying to please everybody.

00:47:57.020 you're going to catch pneumonia. You're trying to please everybody. That's like that old Vonnegut

00:48:01.160 quote. So yes, I think there was more of a stranglehold with ideas. But there's always

00:48:08.680 been people who feel differently within that. It's like any group, I guess. But yeah, I think

00:48:15.720 what we're saying is similar, that it was never really a place where within individuals and

00:48:22.160 friends, and we could always disagree and always joke with each other. People my age,

00:48:26.680 I disagree, agree, and we'd change our minds, we'd laugh, we'd joke, but there was definitely

00:48:32.060 a culture that if you didn't agree with these ideas, you were looked at as bad, for sure.

00:48:38.300 Yeah, I think Hollywood got more political, I don't know if it got more political.

00:48:42.140 No, they got rewarded for it, yeah, they started to come out there and do it, and I don't even

00:48:46.340 know how much everyone even is informed on everything, but they really like to get out

00:48:51.680 there and do it.

00:48:52.740 Oh, yeah, but it's also wild how those people will speak on one thing, but there'll be a

00:48:56.660 Another topic that's way bigger.

00:48:58.700 And they're hypocrites, too, a lot of times.

00:49:00.460 Like, anybody is.

00:49:01.340 Oh, for sure, dude.

00:49:02.240 I totally, I think I'm a hypocrite.

00:49:03.160 You'll be like, I feel strong about this.

00:49:05.000 But it's a strange thing when you start going, like, you know better than someone.

00:49:08.840 That's weird.

00:49:09.440 That's when it gets weird.

00:49:10.280 It's one thing to say, this is where I'm at.

00:49:11.640 Yeah.

00:49:12.320 And then here's someone else's point of view and disagree or agree.

00:49:15.020 It's another thing to be like, I'm so right.

00:49:18.140 Yeah.

00:49:18.420 And I'm going to help you or condescend to you.

00:49:21.160 That's the part that no one, I mean, no one wants to hang out with that.

00:49:24.060 Yeah, so it got to that.

00:49:25.220 my agent is right and so this i'm gonna have to tell you what they think you know that's also

00:49:29.480 another like you know that happens where people are like well i feel like they have to think how

00:49:33.920 their agents or managers you know i'm saying well they feel pressured to think a certain way that's

00:49:37.260 terrible and that happens but that's the problem if you're going through life trying to check boxes

00:49:42.880 like the wit like dorothy and the wizard of oz like let me get the broom let me do this what is

00:49:47.220 the wizard you're not thinking for yourself you're just trying to do the things you're supposed to

00:49:50.440 but it's always better if you get quiet and do what's in your heart and do what you think is

00:49:55.460 right that's when you carve out stuff and make your own path and probably the best stuff and

00:49:59.860 get the best stuff out of you even creatively a hundred percent and have the courage i think to

00:50:03.960 be honest try to be and you know go out that's the problem i think that happened with film comedies

00:50:09.680 and that's why i think stand-up got stronger is they you know stand-ups would kind of it was

00:50:15.600 easier to give someone money for a special and say we're going to knock that's their special

00:50:19.460 but the studios weren't going to produce a comedy and have more of uh be more responsible for

00:50:28.020 supporting the making of that film oh i see so you're saying with the stand with a stand-up

00:50:31.720 special they can just put this is their thing that's their thing we're out of it we're just

00:50:35.060 hiring a special but but the truth is most people they want to laugh they don't want to see stuff

00:50:40.520 be precious that you can't talk or joke about oh most people can make fun of themselves you know

00:50:45.560 In the real world, if you don't have a sense of humor about yourself, then it's a lonely experience.

00:50:53.680 You've got to be able to laugh at yourself.

00:50:55.540 You can look back at stuff that you believed so strongly a few years ago and laugh about it.

00:50:59.980 So I think you've got to have that quality and comedy is that, being able to laugh at stuff.

00:51:06.280 And I think that it was easier then to go, OK, well, we're going to just have a stand-up and that's their point of view than it was to –

00:51:13.700 They got too complicated not to offend anybody with going and making a movie.

00:51:18.140 They were trying so hard not to offend anybody.

00:51:20.640 Well, I think it's wild.

00:51:21.340 Does that make sense?

00:51:22.360 For sure it does.

00:51:23.680 I think it's one of the reasons why I've seen a lot of the late shows have struggled.

00:51:29.020 Oh, bro.

00:51:29.320 Because all they did during, the only person they could make fun of at a certain point was just white, redneck kind of people,

00:51:36.400 and then everything tanked after that.

00:51:39.180 Think about that.

00:51:40.480 But see, they never get it right.

00:51:41.860 The podcasts have gotten so much more popular with less production, less writers, less staff.

00:51:49.940 Oh, yeah.

00:51:50.180 The reason why is—

00:51:50.960 We have two people working here, and both of them are hungover.

00:51:52.560 And one guy has shingles.

00:51:53.700 But the place is clean.

00:51:54.720 I like that.

00:51:55.240 You keep a clean place.

00:51:55.920 Thank you.

00:51:56.220 Yeah, we did a vacuum.

00:51:57.160 But yeah, because people want authenticity.

00:52:00.180 Yeah.

00:52:00.820 And I think that the talk shows, to a large part, became really agenda-based.

00:52:06.300 Yeah.

00:52:06.820 They were going to evangelical people to what they thought.

00:52:09.340 You know what I mean?

00:52:09.980 And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic.

00:52:13.180 It felt like they had an agenda.

00:52:15.160 It stopped being funny and it started feeling like I was in fucking a class I didn't want to take.

00:52:20.520 Do you know what I mean?

00:52:21.200 Oh, for sure, dude.

00:52:22.040 I'm getting scolded.

00:52:23.480 A hundred percent.

00:52:24.620 Yeah.

00:52:25.060 A hundred percent.

00:52:25.820 And so I think the phenomenon isn't what they say.

00:52:29.920 They always blame technology.

00:52:31.780 But the reality is it's the approach.

00:52:33.820 you know someone could go watch a stand-up at madison square garden and they want to go because

00:52:39.920 it feels dangerous the crowd is alive i don't know what theo is going to do or say and i love

00:52:45.240 taking that experience so it's fun i don't want to stay home and watch it on a tv because i want

00:52:51.460 to experience that live right so it's where you're coming from that's the that's the main point and i

00:52:57.180 think people are going to tune into a podcast more so because they want to feel like people are having

00:53:02.200 a real conversation it's interesting to them but if you look at what happened to the talk shows

00:53:06.040 and why their ratings are low it's got only to do with the fact of what you just said which is they

00:53:11.160 all became the same show yeah and they all became so about their politics and who's good and who's

00:53:17.360 bad and it's like imagine sitting next to someone like that on a fucking plane oh bro you'd be like

00:53:22.540 how do i get out of this fucking seat i would fart right next to holy cow you fart your way out of

00:53:28.320 Oh, God, I would.

00:53:30.000 Oh, I would for sure, and I'm sorry.

00:53:32.000 Fucking skunk.

00:53:32.400 You know the skunk's the king of the jungle.

00:53:34.460 No one's playing with the skunk.

00:53:35.380 You can watch all the fucking videos you want.

00:53:37.780 No one's playing with the skunk.

00:53:38.980 Skunk in the food chain in the woods, fucking skunk is here.

00:53:43.120 You get yourself a pit bull.

00:53:44.520 I don't give a fuck what you got.

00:53:45.600 The honey badger.

00:53:47.040 The fucking skunk is the king of the jungle.

00:53:49.540 Don't bring that badass around me.

00:53:51.080 Yeah, bro, that thing is fucking the devil's cologne, baby.

00:53:54.520 That's it.

00:53:54.920 Everyone can talk about the devil's cologne, daddy.

00:53:57.100 Look at that little mix.

00:53:57.760 talk about whatever the fuck you want as far as an animal and velocity right there all hill the king

00:54:03.460 oh that motherfucker's going where he wants now he might need a nap he might be like a lover that

00:54:09.580 needs to recharge you know what i mean he might be like an older lover he might not be able to go

00:54:13.700 10 times in a day but that one or two times he's gonna get it right but what's he having for lunch

00:54:18.920 whatever the fuck he wants whatever's around he's gonna hit a spray and get everyone else to scurry

00:54:24.000 you don't bother him god what's that skunk puts its tail up you got a real decision to make what

00:54:28.900 a fuck how fucking how much of a badass are you yeah right so if you brought that skunk mentality

00:54:34.380 to the plane you fucking run that shit well i'm just saying every now and then if somebody won't

00:54:39.360 fucking shut up dude you gotta put some ass on well you just gotta be a you know what i'm saying

00:54:43.400 you gotta be the king of the jungle that's all i'm saying bro that's all i'm saying for sure yeah

00:54:49.000 But did you ever feel, you never felt ostracized by Hollywood at all, or no?

00:54:53.680 I always, I got along with people for the most, and always was, you know.

00:54:57.200 You always had a great career.

00:54:58.220 Trying to be honest who I am.

00:54:59.520 But yeah, there's times you felt like it would have been easier.

00:55:01.640 It's almost like a career move.

00:55:03.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.640 Oh, yeah.

00:55:04.260 You know what I mean?

00:55:04.860 But I was always the other way, too.

00:55:06.220 Like, I'm not jumping on 100% this or this, because I have opinions on both sides.

00:55:10.940 There's shit I don't agree with at all.

00:55:12.600 Yeah.

00:55:13.060 And then there's shit I don't agree with at all.

00:55:14.880 I don't see how people could choose a side completely.

00:55:17.420 It's so crazy.

00:55:18.480 Because also, once you're on a side, you're on a side.

00:55:20.840 Fuck that.

00:55:21.260 I want to be able to have the freedom to go.

00:55:22.700 Flexibility.

00:55:23.160 Yeah.

00:55:23.520 Yeah.

00:55:23.920 And also, I agree with this over here.

00:55:26.160 I agree with this over there.

00:55:27.240 It is what it is.

00:55:28.440 But I just, we never cared about it so much.

00:55:31.600 It wasn't our defining conversations about how I like somebody or life.

00:55:35.980 We weren't 23 sitting around talking about fucking taxes.

00:55:39.420 Yeah.

00:55:39.880 But I think as it started to encroach on us, for me, I started to go a little bit back here

00:55:45.560 because nobody wants to be told what to do.

00:55:48.960 Or feel like everything you do has to be through a certain lens.

00:55:52.580 Or worrying about if people think you're kind or not.

00:55:55.120 Like, you're not going to tell me.

00:55:55.880 And especially when everybody's pretending a lot of times

00:55:57.760 because I would have friends acting one way

00:55:59.620 but then like kind of speaking another way sometimes.

00:56:02.700 Well, those are the people that are so focused on how they're coming off.

00:56:07.460 Yeah.

00:56:08.360 You know, they're worried about – and that's not a real journey

00:56:11.520 and you're hurting in that.

00:56:12.520 I think we all go through those stages younger.

00:56:14.940 Like everyone learns that lesson.

00:56:16.240 Well, we all want to be accepted.

00:56:17.400 Yeah, but you learn younger the right way to do it.

00:56:19.580 Hopefully, we never get it perfect and you learn the wrong way.

00:56:22.080 But if you're constantly worried what someone else thinks of you and you're only around them a couple hours a day, you're miserable most of the time.

00:56:29.080 You got to really try to be, you know, find the way to be yourself but be respectful.

00:56:33.360 You know, that's the other side that I think happened is when I was a kid, if I was loud in a restaurant, my parents would say, these people didn't come here to hear you fucking scream.

00:56:41.340 Well, dude, you stared at the Amish wrong and you got berated.

00:56:43.640 I got dog talked.

00:56:44.680 Yeah.

00:56:45.640 But now if you're mad in a restaurant, they'll say, are you okay?

00:56:49.020 And I just think it's important to be aware of how you're affecting other people.

00:56:52.500 Yeah.

00:56:52.740 But if you're all about you and you're right and they're bad and you're good, then you're okay to go after somebody because you're not really thinking about what their shoes are, you know?

00:57:02.240 Yeah, we've started to like make it seem like the delusional isn't delusional sometimes.

00:57:08.740 Say that again.

00:57:09.500 Like, yeah, something's delusional.

00:57:10.740 But if we act like it isn't over and over and we'll be like pretend.

00:57:13.360 yes it's almost like you said like the boiling water like gets a degree higher one degree at a

00:57:17.840 time you know um yeah saying that like as they change the laws a little bit at a time you kind

00:57:23.180 of wake up and you go this has gone way further than but it happens so slowly yeah that you're

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01:01:00.320 buzz. Let me know how you feel. Um, did your family, do you always live in California since

01:01:06.160 you moved here? No, I went back to Chicago for a minute, but, and I lived in New York for a while,

01:01:10.940 But I'm out here now, and I like California.

01:01:16.320 I just get tired of, like everybody, it's like a lot of these big cities, I think.

01:01:22.400 It's a lot.

01:01:22.880 It's a lot.

01:01:23.520 It's a lot of energy.

01:01:24.720 It's a lot of energy.

01:01:25.560 It's also just you're not getting – things aren't getting handled well.

01:01:32.860 Yeah.

01:01:33.320 And there's no accountability.

01:01:34.320 It's like a bad relationship.

01:01:35.920 Yeah.

01:01:36.200 You know, it's like someone doesn't do what they said they're going to do, and there's no I'm sorry or want to change.

01:01:41.660 Yeah, I agree, dude.

01:01:42.900 It definitely gets –

01:01:43.760 But you love – I still love California.

01:01:45.400 Yeah.

01:01:45.820 You?

01:01:46.340 Oh, I just realized this is my second time back in like about three months.

01:01:50.380 But I was here like about two weeks ago, and I do miss it more.

01:01:53.900 I just miss some of the energy.

01:01:55.760 Like I live in Nashville now, and there's just less energy there.

01:01:57.860 You know, it's just different.

01:01:59.260 Right.

01:01:59.620 You know, like here you can meet more people.

01:02:01.920 There's more like things going on.

01:02:04.600 But you're in a great spot where you can do both.

01:02:06.800 You can enjoy your time here, and you can enjoy your time here.

01:02:09.180 So it's been good, man.

01:02:11.840 What did I see?

01:02:12.820 Oh, Chicago.

01:02:13.640 You said, are you a Bears fan or no?

01:02:15.760 I am, yeah.

01:02:16.260 Yeah.

01:02:16.560 Dude, fucking Williams, bro.

01:02:19.700 He's really great for like four and a half minutes a game.

01:02:22.580 That ice, yeah.

01:02:23.700 I mean, if you look at that NFC, we barely beat the Packers,

01:02:27.340 and the Rams barely beat us.

01:02:29.520 That's close.

01:02:30.140 And then, obviously, right, then they lost.

01:02:32.460 Those games were all so close.

01:02:33.940 But it was exciting because we've been so bad for so long.

01:02:36.180 It was good to be good.

01:02:37.500 We were channeling through the TV.

01:02:39.540 We were like screaming like, somebody make this happen.

01:02:42.340 Who do you cheer for?

01:02:43.680 I'm a Saints fan.

01:02:44.920 Oh, yeah.

01:02:45.400 Yeah.

01:02:45.740 We've had a tough...

01:02:46.460 Do you know some of those guys?

01:02:48.000 I like the Saints organization.

01:02:49.180 I like Mickey, the GM.

01:02:50.540 I never met Mickey.

01:02:51.180 He's a great guy.

01:02:51.880 Is he?

01:02:52.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:52.640 He's good friends with Hayden.

01:02:53.840 Oh, he is?

01:02:54.380 Yeah.

01:02:54.680 I wonder if I have met him then.

01:02:56.880 No, I haven't met him.

01:02:57.640 They had a good year.

01:02:58.360 They turned around this year.

01:02:59.200 They did good.

01:02:59.620 Yeah, they did better.

01:03:00.360 Everybody's excited about him.

01:03:02.460 baby bring up a picture of his baby since we'll we're since i'm a fan of their cam jordan's a

01:03:08.360 great guy that plays over there in that organization he just came out and said nice

01:03:11.460 things about your quarterback he did he's uh cam jordan's nasty he's fast yeah it's a great he's a

01:03:18.220 pass rusher all all by himself i would not want him chasing me i wouldn't even go knock on his

01:03:22.220 door and run off or whatever you wouldn't want him coming and saying i moved to the neighborhood and

01:03:26.300 i got a register yeah yeah dude you ain't going nowhere bro you ain't getting away oh i'd be like

01:03:31.100 Just touch me now and get it over with.

01:03:33.160 No basement, nothing's keeping you safe, dude.

01:03:34.980 No cellar doors are going to keep you safe.

01:03:37.940 Do you wish, when you look on that, there he is right there,

01:03:41.040 I know he's had a baby, congratulations, QB1.

01:03:44.780 When you look back at that Bears game,

01:03:46.420 do you think that you wish they would have gone two

01:03:48.100 in that moment, like just that momentum was there?

01:03:50.120 It was amazing to hit that crazy pass.

01:03:52.900 That was insane.

01:03:53.300 To tie it up.

01:03:54.180 And then we had that last drive, all we needed was a field goal.

01:03:57.860 But we got, you know, it was the same kind of thing a lot.

01:04:00.040 we lived and died by the sword all season.

01:04:02.020 Yeah.

01:04:02.300 So I thought it was a fun year.

01:04:03.940 I would have loved to have won the game.

01:04:05.400 But there's a lot of pieces to be excited about.

01:04:07.980 Yeah, just that confusion at the end.

01:04:09.780 Like, how does they not know which way the guy,

01:04:11.480 like as a fan,

01:04:12.200 I'm sure it's way more complicated as a player.

01:04:14.560 But as a fan, you're like,

01:04:15.360 how do you guys not know what the,

01:04:16.700 this is the most crucial moment?

01:04:18.400 I know.

01:04:18.800 I don't know what happened there.

01:04:19.820 I've heard different stuff.

01:04:20.600 I don't think anybody.

01:04:21.480 I don't think anybody does.

01:04:22.420 And then it's almost like,

01:04:23.160 was everybody just so cold they wanted to go home?

01:04:25.120 There's a little bit of that energy.

01:04:26.620 Yeah.

01:04:27.900 Because I think that happens a lot.

01:04:29.140 Where you're just like, I'm so cold, I just want to go home.

01:04:31.300 Yeah, you'd think it would be an advantage for them.

01:04:32.940 They'd be more used to it, but you never know.

01:04:34.240 Because some of those guys could be from Louisiana playing on the team.

01:04:36.640 It's not like all of them grew up in the cold.

01:04:38.320 Oh, they're all from everywhere.

01:04:39.680 I wish that teams had all the players from their state.

01:04:42.360 I think it would give us so much more of like our state versus your state.

01:04:45.600 It used to be more that way with college, but that's in a crazy place now.

01:04:50.620 Yeah, the college game.

01:04:51.580 It's gotten baffled.

01:04:52.140 I think it's good people are getting paid.

01:04:53.440 I just don't think they've figured it out yet.

01:04:54.920 Yeah, I think we're in like kind of the Wild West years of it.

01:04:57.140 Yeah.

01:04:57.460 Do you, the Bears might be moving their stadium.

01:05:01.040 Did you see that?

01:05:01.620 I saw that.

01:05:02.220 What do you think about that?

01:05:03.160 Well, I'd like to see them stay.

01:05:06.120 But I think they got to figure something out with the state.

01:05:08.900 I haven't followed it too closely.

01:05:10.380 What do you know about it?

01:05:11.740 It seems like, and Zach's, one of our producers is.

01:05:17.120 Bears.

01:05:17.780 He's a Bengals fan, but he's in the know.

01:05:20.600 It seems like it's because time is ticking for Illinois lawmakers to make a better offer for the Bears.

01:05:25.740 on thursday indiana pushed legislation forward that clears the way for the bears to build a new

01:05:29.560 stadium in hammond um is it just because they're willing to give them more money i haven't i i

01:05:36.980 think it's something to do with economics obviously so i don't know what i think there's a

01:05:41.280 big tax incentives to go over to hammond indiana and hammond indiana isn't exactly like the coolest

01:05:46.180 place so i think there's some people it's close though it's right over the right over yeah and

01:05:51.320 it's chicago is such a vibe in that city i think people seem to be like why leave but and also if

01:05:57.260 you move something to a new place then there's going to be so much surrounding you know i'm

01:06:00.280 saying they can put in all types of other things to go on i mean i like to see it it's like it's

01:06:04.320 the uh it's the second oldest franchise in the nfl the oldest is the cardinals which is from

01:06:08.740 illinois originally before they went to st louis oh st louis cardinals yeah well it was originally

01:06:12.960 the illinois it was chicago it was it was from illinois it's the old that's the oldest team in

01:06:18.020 the NFL, the Cardinals. So they were from Illinois. And then they went to St. Louis and then they

01:06:23.260 ended up in Arizona. They're like a senior citizen. As you get older, you start to move

01:06:27.580 warmer and warmer, right? They follow the moving habits of like someone who's retired.

01:06:33.600 Oh yeah. They're in hospice now.

01:06:35.520 But the Bears were such a crazy, you know, George Halas, it's so crazy that it's only the NFC

01:06:41.520 trophies named after him because he was really the, he was the first one to get a college player

01:06:46.860 to play for the NFL, the Galloping Ghost.

01:06:49.100 Did you know that?

01:06:50.760 Well, originally pro football was just farmers

01:06:52.980 and there was no well-known names

01:06:55.720 because there was no money in it.

01:06:57.160 And college football was real popular,

01:06:59.900 but going to college was even harder back then.

01:07:02.940 So when you'd come out of college,

01:07:04.060 if you had a degree,

01:07:04.800 you had a real opportunity to earn money.

01:07:06.760 Oh, so you would go work.

01:07:07.920 Like, I'm not going to go screw,

01:07:08.720 I can't go screw around and be irresponsible.

01:07:09.980 With a bunch of these rednecks

01:07:11.420 and I'm going to go play football

01:07:12.400 and no one's watching.

01:07:13.360 So Halas, he played for the Yankees.

01:07:15.220 He was a baseball player.

01:07:16.860 He went to Red Grange from the University of Illinois, and he said, I'll give you half the gate.

01:07:23.120 If you come on a barnstorming tour, we'll go play places.

01:07:26.080 And then people showed up.

01:07:27.740 They'd go watch Red Grange, who was a big-time college player.

01:07:31.900 And so when they got Red Grange to play with the Bears, they knew if they could get the college guys to come in, the fans would grow.

01:07:38.320 And then the college guys were more open to it because you could pay them because you'd get the fans to fill up the stadiums.

01:07:43.380 Wow.

01:07:43.660 And then when they first did it, whatever college you were from, you would play for that local team because the college would already be a fan of you.

01:07:52.300 The people in the area would be a fan.

01:07:53.780 Right.

01:07:53.940 So let's sell tickets that way.

01:07:55.100 And then they started the draft after that.

01:07:57.440 But George Hallis did everything.

01:07:59.080 He was a player.

01:07:59.800 He was a coach.

01:08:00.380 He was an owner.

01:08:01.200 He beat Lombardi as a coach in his heyday one year.

01:08:03.920 He coached the team and did well.

01:08:05.700 But he started so much that's in the NFL today, Papa Bear.

01:08:08.980 He's really probably the most important figure in the NFL.

01:08:12.640 George Hallis?

01:08:13.160 It would be a shame – and he's from Chicago.

01:08:16.120 So it would be a shame to see that team leave that city with that history for sure.

01:08:23.080 But I hope they – I haven't really looked into it,

01:08:25.080 but I hope they're able to figure it out and come to terms that work for everybody.

01:08:30.440 But he's an amazing figure in sports.

01:08:32.820 And they named the NFC trophy after him, the Hallas Trophy.

01:08:37.160 Bring up that Red Grange picture.

01:08:39.080 Thank you, George Hallas, for your efforts.

01:08:41.440 Look at Red Grange.

01:08:42.760 The galloping goes.

01:08:43.680 Well, that's the other quarterback you could make the argument for is Otto Graham.

01:08:48.020 He was from Waukegan, Illinois.

01:08:50.080 When you look at him, it's crazy.

01:08:51.500 I think he won.

01:08:52.180 I could be wrong.

01:08:52.980 But did he win seven championships in 10 years as a quarterback?

01:08:56.040 I think he played for the Browns, right?

01:08:57.860 Otto Graham.

01:08:59.100 But here's what's interesting about him.

01:09:01.880 He went to Northwestern.

01:09:03.280 He had a 300 batting average in college.

01:09:07.500 And that's when everyone played baseball because baseball was the only way to make real money.

01:09:10.960 It was king.

01:09:11.360 and he played basketball in college and I think he won what would be an NBA championship. He was

01:09:17.480 like the sixth man on a pro team. So he won a championship in professional basketball,

01:09:21.440 hit 300 in college. And I think as a quarterback, did he win seven championships in 10 years,

01:09:26.220 right? Yeah. Is that right? Is that crazy? Think about that. And you know, everyone wants to say

01:09:31.800 the goat, the goat, but you can't really compare era to era. You know, Jordan said, it's hard to

01:09:36.780 say who the greatest of all time was because it was different rules, a different time. And one

01:09:40.740 person learns from the next person. So Otto Graham dominated his era. Obviously, Brady dominated his

01:09:46.320 era. So it's so hard to compare era to era who was the best. I think sports always want to sell

01:09:52.360 you now that you're watching the best ever because it sells tickets. Who doesn't want to feel like

01:09:56.880 they're watching the best product ever? But it's a totally different game than it was back when you

01:10:01.280 could hit a quarterback, when LT played. So I'm not saying that it's not better that they've

01:10:06.360 changed it i'm just saying it's hard to compare one quarterback from an era to another well they

01:10:10.900 never had turf toe when we were growing up right remember when did they come out with that no

01:10:15.340 you know what i'm saying though like you would never hear a guy has turf toe you would hear

01:10:19.060 a guy's toe was in pain so he carved it off with his nail with his wife's nail clippers

01:10:24.160 on the way to the stadium so he could still play that was ronnie lot right he took his finger off

01:10:28.260 yeah he ripped his finger off so he could play a different era yeah yeah let me see that that's

01:10:32.580 That's the thing I always marvel at.

01:10:33.900 That's crazy, though, dude.

01:10:34.800 Ronnie Lott ripped his finger off.

01:10:35.960 He's like, I'm going back in.

01:10:36.840 That's a dedication.

01:10:38.300 That's not a hobby.

01:10:39.400 But, you know, that's what I always think is crazy.

01:10:41.240 When you hear about boxers,

01:10:42.660 what's the longest boxing fight of all time?

01:10:45.980 It used to be like 27 rounds.

01:10:47.460 I think someone fought 100 rounds.

01:10:48.820 Am I crazy?

01:10:49.540 Could you jump rope for 100 rounds for three minutes?

01:10:52.080 No way.

01:10:52.480 What's the longest fight?

01:10:53.360 I mean, it's probably the one in Gaza right now,

01:10:55.680 but I'm assuming that.

01:10:56.740 That's true.

01:10:57.280 That's true.

01:10:58.060 That's true.

01:11:00.200 Andy Bowen and Jack Burke,

01:11:01.220 Like, the longest boxing match in history was a 110-round bout?

01:11:04.860 Because they used to fight until someone couldn't answer it.

01:11:08.080 But at the end, were you just whispering heavily at each other?

01:11:10.400 Like, how?

01:11:11.320 I think you're in the bathroom a lot.

01:11:12.720 I don't even think anyone saw it.

01:11:14.220 But so that's the thing that's crazy.

01:11:16.040 And they would fight like, look how many fights these guys had.

01:11:18.640 These guys would fight like 10 times a year.

01:11:20.520 Now they're fighting twice a year.

01:11:22.560 How many fights did Sugar Ray Robinson have?

01:11:26.300 Did he have like 300 or something?

01:11:27.860 Isn't that crazy?

01:11:28.800 Yeah, and now a guy will have maybe 30.

01:11:30.520 30, because they space it out.

01:11:32.940 But how do you compare these guys?

01:11:35.320 How many fights?

01:11:35.820 What was his record?

01:11:36.540 I can't see.

01:11:37.320 At the end, he was 174 in 19 and 6.

01:11:41.080 So just about 200.

01:11:42.580 What?

01:11:43.040 Isn't that crazy?

01:11:44.800 Oh, my gosh.

01:11:46.160 Sugar must have been stevia by the end of that, dude.

01:11:49.160 He had the aspartame beat out of my back.

01:11:51.120 You don't think he ever had – he probably had a turf toe.

01:11:52.980 He didn't have a name for it.

01:11:53.680 He probably had a turf head at a certain point, dude.

01:11:56.560 That's so crazy.

01:11:57.580 But the difference was –

01:11:58.340 But that's unbelievable.

01:11:59.520 Why do you think someone could be like that?

01:12:01.020 Well, this is the stuff that they're not.

01:12:02.720 But this is it.

01:12:03.380 I remember when my dad grew up and he'd go to the farm where his dad was because his parents were divorced.

01:12:08.500 So in the summer, he'd go work the farm.

01:12:10.320 But they didn't have any running water.

01:12:12.660 So he said when they would bath, they'd go down to the fucking creek and fill up the thing with water.

01:12:18.440 They'd boil it.

01:12:19.360 And then dad would bathe, then his older brother, then him.

01:12:23.080 But that wasn't that long ago.

01:12:24.700 So if you go back then, everything took physical strength.

01:12:27.740 Like just moving around.

01:12:29.060 No one was sitting around playing Mario Kart in between games.

01:12:31.660 Right.

01:12:31.800 Your thumbs were the strongest parts of your body.

01:12:33.360 So you were always like just doing anything took so much energy and strength.

01:12:37.900 You're using your muscles every day.

01:12:39.580 So I think they train smarter.

01:12:41.260 They know more.

01:12:42.320 But there's more downtime and less strain on your body doing daily tasks.

01:12:46.600 But back then, these guys were just getting from place A to place B was exhausting.

01:12:50.860 Yeah.

01:12:51.140 But I don't know how you could fight 110 rounds.

01:12:53.600 I don't know if you could do jumping jacks for 110 rounds.

01:12:56.420 Yeah.

01:12:56.600 It's so crazy.

01:12:57.300 how did they do that? Remember, they used to have 15 round fights and then they went to 12

01:13:01.740 because they thought 15 was too much. So I don't know how to compare. How do you compare someone?

01:13:07.100 How do you compare someone from that era to this era? It's just a different time. It's a different

01:13:11.740 sport. And also they say like the diet has gotten better and we have like, if all these things have

01:13:16.480 gotten better, you think that they would be able to do it more. But then part of it probably has

01:13:20.380 been that the commercialization of it has come in and like, well, let's only have it be here so we

01:13:24.840 can have the viewership and have the sell the tickets then so that could be part of it or

01:13:28.560 understanding safety back then like you said they wouldn't even know what turf toe was it was just

01:13:32.480 you moved on oh every other person had a glass eye when i was a kid every other person had a glass

01:13:36.780 eye like if some guy was gonna i remember at the fair or whatever when the fair would come yeah

01:13:41.460 you'd have a guy that would sit there and have a hat full of people's glass eyes like you'd set

01:13:45.300 it and therefore you went on the ride they put their eyes out because they don't want to lose

01:13:48.040 one of the tilt-a-war oh yeah people that had one they leave their eye in the bag they leave it a

01:13:51.800 little basket or whatever like basket for eyes and loose change or whatever that's an exciting

01:13:55.000 hometown i never saw that get it when you come back out but you know four of them in there at

01:13:58.380 a time you know i'm saying like people be tough on a date there'd be some rides you couldn't go on

01:14:01.860 maybe we're not going on the tilt to work honey honey let's go on the let's go on the what's that

01:14:07.220 one that goes up real slow ferris wheel the ferris wheel yeah isn't that the slow one where

01:14:12.120 you kind of sit at the top oh yeah that's yeah that's what you're not going on that salt and

01:14:15.620 pepper ride where you're fucking no that was going up and down but you should do that with

01:14:19.640 friends we'd dare them we'd go have like hot dogs or hamburgers and then at the end you'd dare

01:14:24.120 someone can anyone eat all this for 20 bucks and someone would be desperate for money so they'd be

01:14:28.640 like fuck we'd all kick in they'd be like i'm gonna have a shake i'll eat those chili fries i'll

01:14:32.620 finish that chicken breast sandwich and then you'd say okay another 20 bucks if you go on that salt

01:14:38.740 and pepper right and they'd fucking lose their shit but yeah i mean it's it's a different it's

01:14:43.880 so weird i also think the food might have been healthier oh i'm sure they went through that

01:14:48.300 whole stuff with the oil, seed oil, and we know it's

01:14:50.280 bad for you, but they went through a whole thing saying

01:14:52.340 you should cook with that, but then people were just

01:14:54.200 cooking with butter. I think the food

01:14:56.280 was more natural. It was

01:14:58.240 less fucked up food in some ways.

01:15:00.240 Dude, strong saliva, dip spit,

01:15:02.560 people were cooking it, you know what I'm saying?

01:15:04.100 Did you start dipping young? Yeah, because

01:15:06.200 I used to work on a farm, so we would chew

01:15:08.180 the block

01:15:10.300 of tobacco. Like Redman?

01:15:12.060 Yeah, like the...

01:15:13.440 Would you do like skull, wintergreen, like the circular one?

01:15:16.100 No, no, we'd plug tobacco.

01:15:17.480 See, we all, we had a thing, so we did like-

01:15:20.000 Look up plug.

01:15:20.580 When I first started as a kid, we didn't know it was that bad for you.

01:15:23.320 That was it right there.

01:15:23.800 We knew smoking was bad, but you would think this wouldn't hurt your-

01:15:27.360 Then they started showing pictures in the school of people missing their jaws.

01:15:30.620 Oh, yeah.

01:15:31.060 But originally you thought it's not bad for your win.

01:15:33.280 But it was all like the skull wintergreen, like the circle stuff.

01:15:36.500 Oh, yeah.

01:15:37.160 And then, but the red man was the leaf.

01:15:38.840 But the first time you do it, you're going to vomit.

01:15:40.960 Oh, yeah.

01:15:41.520 I puked out of my friend's mom's car.

01:15:42.880 Older kids are like, here, try this.

01:15:44.540 Yeah.

01:15:45.300 And they will watch you fucking vomit.

01:15:46.540 Were you in a car?

01:15:47.160 I sat out of each window

01:15:49.900 I was like oh maybe I'm sick just at this window

01:15:51.680 And I sat out of each window and puked out of each window

01:15:53.720 There's no way to keep it in more than two or three minutes

01:15:56.140 You're on the ground

01:15:57.300 It was the worst

01:15:58.080 It still makes me fucking sick

01:15:59.700 It was cherry skull or something

01:16:01.400 Do you remember the first alcohol you got really drunk on?

01:16:04.680 Yeah dude of course

01:16:05.620 So I remember climbing up a shelf in my brother's closet

01:16:08.480 I found pornos

01:16:10.500 They had pornos up there

01:16:11.820 That was a surprise

01:16:13.180 You weren't expecting that

01:16:14.220 It was a lot of surprises

01:16:15.240 This one shelf I'd never been to

01:16:16.800 They had a little stack of towels.

01:16:17.960 So you were a ground barrier, and he was putting shit up high.

01:16:21.920 He was a mountain hider.

01:16:23.160 Oh, I'm like, oh, this is where things are up here.

01:16:26.860 Yeah.

01:16:27.840 And I got up there, and I remembered this kind of like, and I found liquor up there.

01:16:32.680 Yeah, what was it?

01:16:33.940 Alize, it was called.

01:16:35.100 It was like a pretty, more of an urban liqueur, I think.

01:16:39.640 Bring it up, a bottle of it.

01:16:41.560 It was considered an urban liqueur right there.

01:16:44.360 The orange was so good.

01:16:45.240 Have you ever had it since?

01:16:46.440 I've never had it since.

01:16:47.600 See, that's how it is.

01:16:48.480 My first drunk was peppermint snobs, and I never touched it again.

01:16:53.040 I think the first time you get really drunk, you never revisit that.

01:16:56.840 Yeah.

01:16:57.360 Ever.

01:16:58.460 Ever.

01:16:59.260 But the first time-

01:16:59.800 How did you do it?

01:17:00.420 Were you playing quarters, or were you just drinking by your-

01:17:02.440 Were you with friends?

01:17:03.400 No.

01:17:03.880 Were you by yourself?

01:17:04.680 I was by myself.

01:17:05.780 Climbed up there.

01:17:07.360 I remember drinking, and then watching porno or whatever, and then I'm-

01:17:11.340 You started off as a fun afternoon.

01:17:13.500 Horrible.

01:17:13.780 but here 30 years later it's still it's still been an issue you know did you just go through

01:17:20.640 like what like a quarter of a bottle or a couple glasses i think i had four sips jerked off and

01:17:25.400 then blacked out yeah yeah yeah you woke up with the evidence all around you didn't even clean up

01:17:30.040 the crime scene woke up yeah with my glass eye and a hat yeah yeah friends were over here i'm

01:17:36.280 pissed that they left the house yeah mom can you believe some kid came over here jerked off on my

01:17:39.900 stomach and drank some of this and left my times have changed um with your new movie if you could

01:17:46.620 go uh mike nick nick and alice yeah if you could go because your character kind of goes back in

01:17:51.560 time to make something different right is there a time if you could go back in time that you would

01:17:55.220 go back to kind of like i know it's a general question it's kind of whatever but you know it

01:17:59.940 fits with the film man yeah and it makes you think what would you go back to change because i think

01:18:03.740 it used to be people would be like i'd go back and stop hitler i do go back and you know i go back

01:18:07.740 and help Napoleon or do whatever, you know?

01:18:09.320 You think you would.

01:18:10.100 Or I'd go back and like be in, you know,

01:18:11.900 Jumanji 1 or whatever.

01:18:13.220 Right.

01:18:13.620 But then now it's like people I think

01:18:14.920 would do individual things.

01:18:16.100 Like I'd go back and, you know,

01:18:17.300 buy a Bitcoin or something, you know?

01:18:19.680 It's more realistic.

01:18:20.980 Right.

01:18:21.340 It's a crazy thing to think you're going to go

01:18:23.140 and be the one guy to fucking-

01:18:25.460 Battle up.

01:18:25.820 Go to the king and tell him to shut the fuck up

01:18:28.020 and no one else is.

01:18:29.040 You know what I mean?

01:18:29.920 Like people always like that.

01:18:31.100 It makes me laugh, right?

01:18:32.220 I'll go do the, oh, would you have?

01:18:33.600 Yeah.

01:18:33.860 Maybe.

01:18:34.480 Dude, I'll go back and tell him.

01:18:36.060 Yeah.

01:18:36.240 Obviously, no one's walking up to the guy and saying, hey, Hitler, calm down, you know?

01:18:40.800 I'll be the guy.

01:18:42.040 That's hilarious.

01:18:43.180 Have you thought about in your life what you would do?

01:18:46.820 Yeah, I think I would go back maybe to a certain time probably, and I think I could have been

01:18:53.000 better like in this one relationship I was in probably.

01:18:56.300 That's a great thing that you feel that.

01:18:59.360 But I would say to you, I have had those thoughts.

01:19:02.620 but then I realized you have to travel down every road you travel down and you don't get to learn

01:19:09.040 those lessons without making those mistakes and so you're kind of in a good spot now you're very

01:19:16.300 reflective you think about stuff and so maybe if you hadn't gone through those things not that you

01:19:20.600 want to you know get hurt or hurt anyone but sometimes you got to go through those lessons

01:19:24.160 and so like what we were talking about earlier where I said you can ask for those things now

01:19:29.140 you gotta take that knowledge

01:19:32.300 and bring that to your new thing

01:19:33.760 and maybe you think if you went

01:19:36.220 back but normally the person you were

01:19:38.120 dating was

01:19:39.520 sometimes had their own lessons to learn

01:19:41.880 and that's why you found each other

01:19:43.700 and you can romanticize like what if we

01:19:46.100 were each different people but you weren't

01:19:48.080 and hopefully you're both better people

01:19:50.040 from the experience so I think you can

01:19:52.060 not go back to that

01:19:53.980 but you can take the lessons and have something great

01:19:56.160 now

01:19:56.580 And I don't know that you would have been in that relationship with that exact person if you were a different person at that time.

01:20:04.480 There was probably something with her going on, too, that drew you guys together to teach each other that, whatever that experience was.

01:20:11.300 Make sense?

01:20:12.320 Yeah.

01:20:13.260 Yeah, no, it does make sense, man.

01:20:15.120 Yeah, I think there's just like a probably – it's almost like an ego part of it once I think about it now from that.

01:20:19.840 It's like, yeah, you just wish you could go back and love somebody differently.

01:20:22.280 I love that.

01:20:23.060 But you can love that person different now.

01:20:24.840 And it's okay, Theo, because you weren't – how would you have known that unless you're going through it?

01:20:30.380 It's like kids – sometimes you take something away from a kid and then you see him cry.

01:20:34.700 If you're just playing with toys, you go, oh, that doesn't feel good.

01:20:37.640 But I don't know that you can learn that without seeing the response of somebody else.

01:20:42.280 Yeah.

01:20:42.700 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:20:43.500 Yeah.

01:20:44.040 But I think –

01:20:44.360 Right, right.

01:20:44.660 But that's the thing with nostalgia is you can get excited, I think, about doing those things the right way now.

01:20:51.700 So you're nostalgic because you look back at those.

01:20:54.920 You don't want to hurt anybody.

01:20:56.020 You wish you could have played it out differently.

01:20:57.600 But it played out the way it was supposed to for where you and that person was at.

01:21:01.540 And also it's our ego.

01:21:03.060 We're not that powerful.

01:21:04.800 Like sometimes, I don't know if you've ever suffered from this, but I could really get

01:21:09.340 caught up in trying to help friends.

01:21:12.140 And then I realized I used so much time and energy and I'm really not that powerful.

01:21:16.960 Like I can't want them to change.

01:21:18.840 In the same way that I probably had people try to help me, and I wasn't ready to change.

01:21:22.640 So you really can't get someone to a place that you think is right for them.

01:21:26.720 You can say it once.

01:21:27.920 You can encourage them.

01:21:29.640 You can give them grace and be there for them.

01:21:32.080 But ultimately, you can't really make that kind of a big shift with them.

01:21:36.600 Yeah.

01:21:37.380 Have you found that?

01:21:38.400 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:21:39.260 You think you can.

01:21:40.140 Or there's times where it's like, yeah, I didn't try this enough or something like that.

01:21:43.160 But yeah, I couldn't.

01:21:45.880 Because I think we're hurting.

01:21:48.000 And so when we find better ways of doing things, we want everyone to have that.

01:21:52.960 Oh, yeah.

01:21:54.160 And I don't know if you felt this way, but I don't know.

01:21:57.180 Yeah, I had to go through a lot of it on my own.

01:21:59.780 You know, like I had to learn those lessons and figure it out.

01:22:02.500 When like the cavalry showed up and saved me.

01:22:04.400 Not that I didn't have good people in my life.

01:22:06.040 But everyone does.

01:22:07.420 They have to go through those stages too.

01:22:09.580 Yeah.

01:22:09.720 Yeah, you have to see something that like surprises you enough or you have to sometimes,

01:22:14.240 you have to hit a level for you that's like this has to be different you know right but yeah you

01:22:19.360 can't like you can offer suggestions you can kind of show somebody you can lead by example sometimes

01:22:24.180 and i think you can reflect on times when you handle stuff in ways that you feel good about

01:22:28.300 yeah i don't do enough of that sometimes but i bet you have a lot of it i probably have some

01:22:32.420 good ones yeah yeah some really good and as you get older don't you think more and more yeah and

01:22:36.760 so that's that's what's in front of you and so that's why i would say the nostalgias i like that

01:22:42.980 for myself too but I realize at some point I have to take those things and really try to do it with

01:22:48.400 what's in front of me now and I think you can have that exact relationship instead of saying

01:22:53.840 wasting time on saying well I'm older now I should have started this younger you can say I know these

01:23:00.280 things now and I'm going to start it now and I'm going to get a great experience based on the things

01:23:05.800 I know because the other just takes you in a place where you're kind of not allowing it yeah yeah well

01:23:11.200 Yeah, I think it's making sure that you're learning from the past, you know?

01:23:15.820 Yeah, and then you feel excited for what's in front of you.

01:23:19.140 And you can't really go back and – that's the thing with stuff.

01:23:21.740 It's like you've got to look at it and learn from it.

01:23:23.820 You can't – but then at some point, you've got to move forward.

01:23:26.760 Yeah.

01:23:27.240 You know, it's like anything.

01:23:28.240 It's like a set.

01:23:29.600 What did I do right?

01:23:30.620 What did I do wrong?

01:23:31.760 What should I have done?

01:23:33.280 But at some point, you're good to move on and go to the next set

01:23:36.780 because if you just dwell on that set,

01:23:38.920 you can get stuck in it to the point where it's counterproductive.

01:23:42.180 Yeah.

01:23:43.120 Yeah.

01:23:43.600 Do you have a process for that of dealing with?

01:23:45.580 Oh, for sure.

01:23:46.300 Yeah.

01:23:46.700 Do you have a good process now that you feel good about?

01:23:48.920 I think it's gotten better.

01:23:50.400 Yeah.

01:23:50.680 I think even having conversations like this are probably helpful to be honest about it.

01:23:53.660 You know?

01:23:53.900 Same for me too.

01:23:54.760 Having things that are like reminders and be like, yeah.

01:23:58.340 And that's, that it's, yeah.

01:24:00.000 And I think you can take the things that you've done well at that in your professional life

01:24:04.660 and apply those same principles to our personal life.

01:24:07.060 Yeah.

01:24:07.260 Or try to.

01:24:08.920 But I don't know that I would go back to answer your question because, and I don't mean-

01:24:14.940 But your character has to go back.

01:24:15.740 If you would have asked me 10 years ago, I would have said, oh, for sure.

01:24:18.800 Because I'm not saying there's not things I didn't handle really bad or things I regret.

01:24:23.560 Of course there is.

01:24:24.820 But I think I couldn't change those because I don't know that I would have come out as

01:24:29.560 different or stronger or at least more thoughtful if I hadn't gone through those experiences.

01:24:35.040 You've got to walk down every road, I think.

01:24:36.740 So I like the idea that I could go back, but maybe you'd fuck up some other shit.

01:24:42.160 Yeah, dude.

01:24:42.640 Yeah.

01:24:42.840 That's a good point.

01:24:43.440 Oh, I think I'd probably.

01:24:44.220 I just maybe would push the lesson till later.

01:24:46.420 Yeah.

01:24:47.960 If I still make some of the same mistakes.

01:24:50.300 It's not like, you know, you get, you get better at it.

01:24:52.080 I find that the time in between the mistakes is long, but they never go away all the way.

01:24:56.660 And your reaction to them and give yourself a little bit more grace, but yeah.

01:24:59.740 And making sure you don't go down and making sure sometimes that you don't like maybe hurt

01:25:03.400 other people as much, you know, you know, or, or just like that.

01:25:06.280 You're very thoughtful.

01:25:07.880 I bet you don't do that very often.

01:25:09.360 You're more respectful of their feelings anyway.

01:25:11.220 Not like actually hurt somebody, but...

01:25:13.040 But I know what you mean.

01:25:13.780 Hurt doesn't mean physical necessarily.

01:25:15.340 It means that you made someone feel unloved or unwanted or underappreciated.

01:25:18.700 Like a bruised banana or whatever.

01:25:20.340 Yeah.

01:25:20.820 But there's also a thing with being funny and connecting.

01:25:23.800 It's a weird thing because I really enjoy teasing with friends sometimes.

01:25:28.280 And if someone showed any weakness, we'd kill you until it didn't bother you.

01:25:33.260 anything that bothered you that was going to be the topic of jokes until you got over it

01:25:38.000 wasn't our job to make you okay that's a good point you had to fuck it and i think some of

01:25:41.980 that was good oh dude it was the best bro we would fucking everybody would pick on you everybody but

01:25:47.180 everybody got it you would all deal with it and now everything is now it's more like bullying

01:25:52.460 dude i saw two waymos bullying a fucking kia sorrento on the way here and i was like nobody's

01:25:57.580 helping this guy you know or whatever this female i don't know what a comedy we were just brutal

01:26:02.980 Oh, so much fun.

01:26:03.660 And if we knew it bothered you, it would never stop.

01:26:08.180 So it was a weird concept to me where I thought, you're not making fun of each other.

01:26:13.840 Yeah, we were just communicating.

01:26:15.440 Even animals call each other names, I bet, a lot.

01:26:17.980 Yeah.

01:26:18.500 You know, we just won't know it.

01:26:19.800 Yeah, they're at least signaling that they're not into what they're doing, yeah.

01:26:23.260 But your character has to go back in time.

01:26:24.900 I do want to make sure that I talk about your movie a little bit more, and then we'll get you out of here.

01:26:28.420 And thanks so much for your time today, man.

01:26:29.900 Oh, it's great to hang with you.

01:26:31.180 I enjoy listening to you and appreciate, appreciate you.

01:26:34.880 So it's fun to get a chance to sit and talk with.

01:26:36.520 Well, same man.

01:26:37.100 Thanks for all the entertainment and inspiration and like, yeah,

01:26:40.500 just so much good humor over the years.

01:26:42.240 Thank you.

01:26:42.700 Back, back at you.

01:26:45.340 Yeah.

01:26:45.780 Cause your character goes back in time.

01:26:47.340 Not really to help himself though.

01:26:48.980 Kind of.

01:26:49.520 That's right.

01:26:49.920 Well, isn't it to help himself in a way like.

01:26:52.400 Oh yeah.

01:26:52.780 That's a good point.

01:26:53.540 He doesn't love the way that he's handled stuff.

01:26:56.160 Right.

01:26:56.540 And he realizes the pain he caused.

01:26:58.360 You don't think that's what it's for in the beginning.

01:27:00.100 Kind of.

01:27:00.580 That's fair.

01:27:01.180 You kind of get – yeah, like you get that as it goes along a little bit.

01:27:04.340 I don't want to give away too much of it because there's moments in it that were very like surprises to me.

01:27:09.620 I was like, oh, oh.

01:27:10.460 There's some good twists.

01:27:11.640 Yeah.

01:27:12.280 But I think the concept's right, and I think all of us hopefully are that way.

01:27:16.400 I don't know.

01:27:17.720 I think people are happier when you're thinking about others more.

01:27:21.980 And I don't say that in like a kind way, like I'm great.

01:27:25.160 I mean, just as a general feeling,

01:27:28.020 you feel better when you are thoughtful of others

01:27:31.460 and connecting with them than when it's all about you.

01:27:33.420 We've been scientifically.

01:27:34.020 But we never had friends like that.

01:27:35.100 We wouldn't hang out with somebody

01:27:36.160 that would talk about themselves all fucking day.

01:27:38.160 Yeah.

01:27:38.840 Would you?

01:27:39.440 Well, they didn't even have it as much back then.

01:27:40.900 No.

01:27:42.140 You wouldn't be at the fucking,

01:27:43.360 you wouldn't be included.

01:27:44.340 Nobody wants to hear about how you're great.

01:27:46.080 No one wants to hear how you're killing it all day.

01:27:48.060 It's so weird.

01:27:48.500 But you know what I find now?

01:27:50.620 Like parents do with their kids.

01:27:52.220 It's everywhere.

01:27:53.420 Me, me, me.

01:27:54.780 It's so crazy.

01:27:56.420 It's just in general, I think there's way more of a, it's odd because you're marrying the one hand that what we were talking about with this kind of better than now.

01:28:06.520 But on the other hand, it's really kind of about ourselves more.

01:28:11.080 It's a weird cultural moment.

01:28:13.580 Yeah.

01:28:13.820 Well, it's like we just see so much reflection of ourselves, you know, and we don't have a lot of time to integrate.

01:28:18.480 That's one of the biggest things I know is that you should be like you go see a movie or you would read a book or you would read some pages of a book or things like that.

01:28:25.160 And then your brain and your heart and stuff would have time to integrate stuff.

01:28:28.840 But now it's like, we'll get on our phone or there's a there's a next thing.

01:28:31.860 There's a next call.

01:28:32.620 There's so much connection that you're not really processing.

01:28:36.000 Are you good at downtime and processing?

01:28:37.880 I'm getting better at it.

01:28:38.740 That's great.

01:28:39.300 Because I want it more.

01:28:40.380 I start to realize, oh, there's so much peace in this thing.

01:28:42.860 You know, it's like, yeah, there's just it's almost there's nowhere to hide from the electronica.

01:28:48.480 It feels like sometimes these days, you know, sure. I could be guilty. You get stuff, a game

01:28:52.420 or something that you like. Yeah. But your phone, a game, a TV, another screen, they are an

01:28:57.260 advertisement, whatever, you know, even just a little Chinese guy that's just telling you

01:29:02.420 something, you know, it's like, it never ends. There's just like a lot of information coming at

01:29:06.900 you. Um, do you have a good group of pals and people that you connect with and hang out with

01:29:12.340 a lot in Nashville or here, or is it more like everyone's in different locations and you kind

01:29:16.340 everywhere hookup yeah but i got to do a little bit better i think i need to branch out a little

01:29:19.780 bit more i know good people so i think sometimes i like my alone time do you yeah but it can be

01:29:24.980 isolating for me too sometimes i like to recharge i like that and then i do like to hang out yeah

01:29:29.740 but i'm not someone who wants to hang out four days a week did you feel a responsibility because

01:29:33.600 you did those you did that um is swingers when we all go to las vegas yeah yeah and did so do you

01:29:39.020 ever feel like a responsibility to people that were going to vegas like some guy that got like

01:29:42.380 ghb by a hooker or something it's like i'm here because of vin you know i'm saying did you ever

01:29:46.920 feel any like you ever lay in bed at night and be like how many guys like how many dudes are

01:29:50.940 laying without a kidney in an ice bath right now no i always looked at like storytelling and comedy

01:29:56.720 like you know they're they're they're stories like campfire stories same with comedy so uh they're

01:30:03.120 not like how-to books but people take them that way yeah but it's crazy it's like you know i remember

01:30:09.080 like when i would watch uh you know you know fun movies they were escapism but i never we were

01:30:16.520 never so fucking dumb that we were like oh they're telling me like i gotta go out and risky business

01:30:21.120 i gotta go get some hookers and fucking get into harvard do you know i mean like they were they

01:30:26.080 were having fun with they were having fun with what was going on at the culture right so like

01:30:31.120 in that movie it was the mom and dad are like you got to go to harvard you can't fucking have a party

01:30:35.440 and he's like i'm a fucking horny teenager i'm looking to i'm looking to fucking mix it up like

01:30:40.600 i'm living right now and so the idea of that was the thing that was a problem saying what the fuck

01:30:46.180 and running hookers as a pimp for the suburban kids that's actually the thing that got him into

01:30:51.700 harvard right it's a crazy movie but we never were like oh yeah they're these guys are my parents and

01:30:56.580 they're telling me i better go fucking start a brothel out of my fucking basement going back

01:31:01.600 the basement. It's like, no, it was escapism. It's fun. So like Swingers is really about friends

01:31:07.440 helping a friend get past a breakup. But who wants to watch perfect people? These are people

01:31:13.140 that have some good, some bad. And that's the journey of the story where you go through people

01:31:17.780 and you get to learn from what they did right or what they did wrong. If you go back to even the

01:31:22.820 Bible or Greek mythology, some of these morality tales, it's like someone does this and here's

01:31:29.440 the consequences of it they're not all stories like everyone's doing everything right most of

01:31:34.100 these human stories or someone made a decision based on ego or what was important in the moment

01:31:39.820 and they paid the price right and those are important stories yeah well there were yeah

01:31:45.880 like moral tales like aesop's fables they had you know as a kid like they had different things like

01:31:49.620 that i wonder if they still had that stuff for kids because there was a lot of stuff that was

01:31:52.960 like kind of common in culture that was where you would learn things from but yeah if you watch

01:31:56.840 forrest gump and you go out and break both your legs so you try to run across the country

01:32:00.840 then i guess you're like forrest and some i mean i don't yeah like i never took that serious it's

01:32:07.760 like where the parents at yeah you know it's like same with albums when we were kids they

01:32:11.420 started putting these warning labels on an album oh yeah parental advisory remember that it was

01:32:16.160 like tipper o'neill or something they were putting like these it's a parental advisor is a black and

01:32:20.100 white that would make us buy it yeah it's like let me hear that fucking on me that

01:32:23.940 Right, parental guidance.

01:32:28.120 But like as kids, we weren't like, when I was listening to NWA,

01:32:32.760 this wasn't like a fucking how-to manual.

01:32:35.120 I was digging someone having a strong opinion,

01:32:38.740 unapologetic from their experience.

01:32:40.520 I was like, fuck, let me fucking listen to that.

01:32:43.580 That's fun.

01:32:44.400 But we were never so fucking dumb.

01:32:46.840 Do you know what I mean?

01:32:47.140 That's part of the problem that they make it.

01:32:48.520 I was like, everyone's so fucking stupid that if you see any kind of movie

01:32:53.700 or story that it's somehow encouraging kids to do it it's like shut the fuck up i'm gonna listen

01:32:59.300 to rock and roll and watch some people make some bad decisions and laugh you know what i mean like

01:33:04.680 what did that become a thing where like like if you do a set out you're funny i hear your shit

01:33:08.480 you're not lawsuits that's what did it probably people sue for a thing probably but yeah if you

01:33:13.080 got so attached you're like oh i believe this now i'm gonna like when you do your sets i and i enjoy

01:33:18.040 them sometimes you're going further with a point of view to to get a point across you're not hoping

01:33:22.720 you're reaching some fucking eight-year-old kid to go follow you know I

01:33:26.560 mean you're like right yeah that's all about you're being entertaining and fun

01:33:30.340 and I think there's a place for that I think if anything that's what that's

01:33:33.700 what got in the way was that everyone started to put these things under a

01:33:36.580 microscope like I don't know like when we were kids in school if we go to the

01:33:41.680 auditorium and they would give us like a safety film on fucking bicycles you

01:33:47.140 just make fun of that shit all day long oh if I'm not telling kids to go out and

01:33:50.860 And, you know, but everyone's got to assume whatever risk you want to take.

01:33:54.760 Like everyone's different.

01:33:55.720 You got to, you got to decide, are you going to cross the highway because you want to get

01:34:00.020 to that candy store and try to dodge the cars?

01:34:02.260 No one should do that.

01:34:03.160 Yeah.

01:34:03.460 But everyone, everyone, everyone ultimately is going to make their choices.

01:34:06.600 Yeah.

01:34:07.260 And there'll be people that do and people that don't, you know?

01:34:09.520 Right.

01:34:10.160 But yeah.

01:34:10.540 But how do we, I saw a bike video and I was like, first of all, I'm never wearing a bike

01:34:14.340 helmet because I understand it's safe.

01:34:17.240 I know it is, but I don't want my children to see me in a bike helmet because.

01:34:20.860 It's culture.

01:34:21.520 My son and I would never be able to make eye contact the same way.

01:34:24.400 We never wore them.

01:34:24.880 I mean, now all the kids have to.

01:34:26.440 We didn't have it.

01:34:26.520 We didn't know what the fuck that was.

01:34:28.000 And in a way, I think it kept us, in some ways, this is, but I felt like I was safer

01:34:32.780 because I could try to jump that.

01:34:34.660 Yeah.

01:34:34.980 But there ain't no fucking way I'm going to jump that.

01:34:37.080 Yeah.

01:34:37.580 Do you know what I mean?

01:34:38.200 Because the helmet.

01:34:39.060 Yeah.

01:34:39.620 Like we knew, I may get some fucking scabs and shit and hit my face if I put like, you

01:34:45.260 know, a wooden board on two things.

01:34:47.560 But I'm not doing five because I don't have a fucking helmet.

01:34:51.220 You know what I mean?

01:34:52.220 Like, it was self-regulatory.

01:34:53.720 You got me all fucking Michelin Man and dressed up.

01:34:56.760 I might try to go back like evil and try to jump the fucking Snake River.

01:35:00.660 But I'm just saying, like, entertainment and stories, you know, I think have fun with it and you should watch it.

01:35:07.620 But, I mean, really?

01:35:09.300 What percentage of the population thinks it's a how-to book?

01:35:13.260 Yeah, who's going to like it?

01:35:14.060 And by the way, do we cater everything to the fucking, excuse me, naive kid who's looking

01:35:20.460 to jump on any story he sees like that's the way to live his life?

01:35:24.520 It's kind of what we do.

01:35:25.300 That's kind of what we've done anyway.

01:35:26.580 Right.

01:35:26.960 And hopefully that's kind of correct in course.

01:35:28.400 We can't watch Dirty Harry because you think you can just go fucking shoot a criminal without

01:35:32.500 talking to him?

01:35:33.620 Oh, it's escape.

01:35:34.500 You're like, yeah, that motherfucker.

01:35:36.440 You know what I mean?

01:35:36.840 Like you like it as a story.

01:35:38.400 Yeah.

01:35:39.240 But that's what it was.

01:35:40.700 Yeah.

01:35:41.060 But I think everyone kind of got that more.

01:35:42.840 I wasn't listening to rock and hip-hop and shit.

01:35:48.080 Right, but I think it was lawyers that did it.

01:35:50.080 They're like, oh, this is what happened.

01:35:51.940 Or the do-gooders.

01:35:53.060 Maybe they meant well.

01:35:54.380 Right.

01:35:54.720 But don't you create a whole other series of problems?

01:35:56.680 Because if you can't express those feelings through movies and songs, where do those feelings go?

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:03.600 Like if storytelling and stand-up or movies isn't the place to explore podcasts, if we can't express ideas there or feelings, what do you do with those?

01:36:12.660 You can't have those feelings?

01:36:14.220 It's crazy.

01:36:15.360 Oh, I think one day a smile will be in a museum and you go to see it, you know?

01:36:20.120 I really do.

01:36:20.900 I hope not.

01:36:21.180 I don't think so.

01:36:21.880 I don't think –

01:36:23.080 I hope not, too.

01:36:24.720 Ultimately, I know you don't believe that.

01:36:25.780 I don't think I really – that's kind of a joke.

01:36:26.840 You think there's a warning of it.

01:36:28.020 Right.

01:36:28.340 I think we're getting closer.

01:36:29.180 So we're going to push against it.

01:36:29.980 If you want to see feelings, you'll have to go to a museum.

01:36:32.140 Oh, this was happiness.

01:36:33.580 Look, children.

01:36:34.500 I think these kids sometimes – I think there's a place for – I think it's good.

01:36:38.260 I'm not saying it's all – the pendulum always goes too far in one direction.

01:36:41.920 I think it's good to have skills to talk about stuff.

01:36:45.140 But it's always a little bit like this.

01:36:47.160 Like if you have a breakup with a girl that's bad and we're friends,

01:36:52.360 I'm going to clear the decks.

01:36:54.300 Our other friends are going to do it.

01:36:55.560 And we want to hear everything you got to say about this breakup.

01:36:58.100 And we're going to give you our perspective.

01:36:59.640 And we're going to really focus on it.

01:37:01.320 And that may go on for a week.

01:37:03.540 But after three weeks, you're not allowed to talk about it anymore.

01:37:08.300 There's nothing else to say.

01:37:09.380 We got to drop it and move on.

01:37:10.940 you got to get in a new bad relationship.

01:37:13.440 You know what I mean?

01:37:13.800 Like we can't keep talking about that.

01:37:15.500 And so I think what happens sometimes is we're indulging,

01:37:18.760 talking and exploring it.

01:37:20.180 There's a time to do it.

01:37:21.300 You need to do it.

01:37:22.240 But at some point,

01:37:23.340 if you're always bringing up the stuff,

01:37:25.940 you just kind of stay depressed.

01:37:27.600 Yeah.

01:37:28.500 Like there's a process to digesting it.

01:37:31.840 And then there's a process of pushing it away and trying to get into

01:37:35.460 something new.

01:37:36.280 But if you're only focused on it,

01:37:38.020 it just doesn't go away.

01:37:38.920 Well, you're kind of getting addicted to self-pity too at that point in a way, you know?

01:37:42.180 Or you're just always living in that and it's going to make you sad.

01:37:44.640 Yeah.

01:37:45.280 Yeah.

01:37:45.660 And I think that's something that's kind of like been like kind of a society, just a weird tour that we took in society of like, you know, that there's something always wrong with us, you know?

01:37:54.500 Well, who isn't there something wrong with?

01:37:56.680 Hopefully everybody has something wrong with.

01:37:58.200 As you get older, you start to go, my God, everyone's a little nuts.

01:38:01.520 Yeah.

01:38:01.900 Like we're all holding it together.

01:38:03.480 But if you see people by themselves, like there's no one you would be like, that guy's like at home living.

01:38:08.400 You know what I mean?

01:38:08.960 Like, everyone's got shit that's crazy.

01:38:11.200 Hopefully.

01:38:11.860 Hopefully.

01:38:12.500 Dude, the best thing is imagining that people are at home just fucking, you know, putting lipstick on.

01:38:17.600 Urban liqueur.

01:38:18.580 Yeah.

01:38:20.020 Urban liqueur and hopefully some French magazine.

01:38:24.980 Club.

01:38:25.780 El Club, I think it was called.

01:38:27.560 Le Club.

01:38:29.340 Your movie comes out on Hulu March 27th.

01:38:32.820 And, oh, Jimmy Tatro's in it.

01:38:36.660 His character is hilarious in it.

01:38:37.940 Yeah, he's a great guy.

01:38:38.800 He's good.

01:38:39.040 Yeah, he's funny.

01:38:39.740 He's a cool guy.

01:38:41.380 Asa Marsden, they're all good in it.

01:38:43.280 That's the lady in it?

01:38:44.560 Yeah.

01:38:44.960 Oh, yeah.

01:38:45.660 She's real foxy.

01:38:46.920 Yeah.

01:38:47.600 And then the other guy, James Marsden.

01:38:49.800 That plays Mike.

01:38:50.520 He was cool.

01:38:51.200 Yeah.

01:38:51.420 And he's a good actor.

01:38:52.120 He's a good actor.

01:38:52.700 Yeah, he did a good job.

01:38:53.180 A lot of good facial stuff and a lot of like, yeah, he's good looking, but he also is entertaining.

01:38:58.760 He reminds me of Rob Lowe a little bit.

01:39:00.500 That's interesting.

01:39:01.120 I could see that.

01:39:01.800 Yeah.

01:39:02.640 Handsome guy.

01:39:03.720 Likeable.

01:39:04.320 Right.

01:39:04.620 But also like not just being handsome.

01:39:06.460 Yeah.

01:39:06.740 Yeah.

01:39:06.900 Not just being handsome.

01:39:10.020 Vince Vaughn, thanks so much.

01:39:11.560 Great to sit with you.

01:39:13.120 Nope.

01:39:13.740 Yep.

01:39:14.440 Yeah.

01:39:14.900 I'm excited for the Bears next season, man.

01:39:16.140 We'll be cheering them.

01:39:17.080 Cool.

01:39:17.420 Is that your, is that kind of an adopted team?

01:39:19.220 That's my surrogate team.

01:39:19.620 Yeah, I got you.

01:39:20.320 Just because we grew up so much, I grew up there watching.

01:39:22.480 You know, the only baseball teams that existed were like-

01:39:25.620 Cubs and Braves.

01:39:26.460 Cubs, Braves, Cardinals, though.

01:39:28.460 Yeah, Cardinals dominated.

01:39:30.020 Ozzie, Smith cards.

01:39:31.960 Coleman.

01:39:32.460 Yeah.

01:39:33.300 Vince Coleman.

01:39:34.200 Vince Coleman, Ozzie Smith.

01:39:35.780 They were dominant.

01:39:36.800 Cardinals were always dominant.

01:39:37.740 Dude, you ever hung out with Mark Grace before?

01:39:39.300 I met him.

01:39:40.000 Yeah.

01:39:40.200 Yeah, he's a great guy.

01:39:41.120 He's the best.

01:39:41.760 He has the best stories.

01:39:42.700 Yeah.

01:39:43.220 He was a hell of a player.

01:39:44.060 Oh, he was so good.

01:39:44.880 But those were the times.

01:39:45.820 Andre Dawson, all those guys.

01:39:47.120 Rick Sutcliffe.

01:39:48.160 Unbelievable.

01:39:48.520 Greg Maddox.

01:39:49.240 Love that team.

01:39:50.200 That was like only three or four teams that existed, it felt like.

01:39:53.400 Yeah, they were popular.

01:39:54.580 They had personalities.

01:39:55.220 But Cardinals have been good forever.

01:39:56.660 They're always fine.

01:39:57.560 Lately, not as much.

01:39:58.420 But they've always been dominant.

01:39:59.500 Cubs, as you know, was a long story.

01:40:01.120 So it was a big deal when we finally won.

01:40:02.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:03.600 Yeah, when you thought of all the-

01:40:04.840 Are you with the Titans at all?

01:40:07.000 I wish they would draft Diego Pavia for the same reason that we said,

01:40:10.240 that he played at Vanderbilt.

01:40:11.520 He crushed it there.

01:40:12.580 I think-

01:40:13.120 How fun was that kid to watch?

01:40:14.540 So much fun.

01:40:15.400 Dude, I love that dude's spirit.

01:40:17.860 I loved watching that boy play.

01:40:19.520 A kid from my high school played wide receiver for him.

01:40:22.300 Oh, really?

01:40:22.740 Yeah.

01:40:23.420 Younger than me, because he's playing now, obviously.

01:40:25.240 What's his name?

01:40:25.780 It's not like some 50-year-old had some eligibility on his fucking ears.

01:40:29.160 Well, they'd probably give him another-

01:40:30.220 Hoskins.

01:40:30.360 His last name was Hoskins.

01:40:31.420 Oh, Richie Hoskins?

01:40:32.220 I knew his sister real well.

01:40:33.140 Bro, Richie's a dog, bro.

01:40:34.540 He was good, right?

01:40:35.440 Dude, he caught a couple.

01:40:36.760 He caught some passes that only he could catch, bro.

01:40:39.500 Yeah, there he is.

01:40:40.280 Yeah, they were dogs, dude.

01:40:42.120 I knew his aunt would have been my grade and was a nice gal.

01:40:46.380 But he played for him.

01:40:47.160 So I watch.

01:40:48.220 My high school puts out a lot of really good athletes, people,

01:40:51.160 still to this day, Lake Forest High School,

01:40:53.140 public high school in Illinois, and a lot of people do well.

01:40:56.000 But this was an exciting year for Vandy.

01:40:59.920 And that quarterback.

01:41:01.300 Diego Pavia, yeah.

01:41:02.160 bro he was like this i'm gonna go to his he was like oh he's like that come and get it yeah he

01:41:06.340 was super fun to watch and they come out he's going pro now is he done yep he's training right

01:41:10.500 now down in tampa where'd he transfer from um he transferred from um uh new mexico state and then

01:41:17.820 before that new mexico school of minds i think he could have gotten one more year actually but

01:41:23.200 he's gonna strike while the iron's hot he's already in yeah he's already going in he's not

01:41:28.040 tall well that's the thing they came out and said that and was like so you're telling me he did

01:41:32.100 this great at not even the same height as some of these other guys it's true sometimes how about

01:41:36.540 sometimes that motivates you to get better well brady was that in a way right he didn't hit the

01:41:40.220 prototype yeah and made him work harder yeah i mean being tall wasn't his thing but they also

01:41:44.420 made it like but he obviously sometimes the thing that they label you as a disadvantage makes you

01:41:49.120 stronger because you have to work harder yeah but that dude's a winner bro he doesn't that's the

01:41:54.400 thing who do you want to bet you want to bet on somebody that wins every time they say you can't

01:41:59.140 At an academic school in the SEC at Vanderbilt.

01:42:02.540 I mean, you're playing big-time football every week.

01:42:05.400 When's the last time Vanderbilt was in that position?

01:42:07.900 Never.

01:42:08.540 And so the fact that this kid was a part of that with a lot of other great players

01:42:12.220 and did that well, that's that intangible quality that has to mean something.

01:42:17.200 And that's the shit that's getting lost in this evaluation.

01:42:20.280 Yes, always, in everything.

01:42:22.040 It's so stupid.

01:42:23.020 Yeah, it is.

01:42:23.560 There's a place for it, but not the whole thing.

01:42:26.400 Yeah.

01:42:26.880 Yeah.

01:42:27.060 but anyway

01:42:28.800 I'm glad we all got that

01:42:29.780 out of our systems

01:42:30.440 me too

01:42:30.840 dude appreciate you

01:42:32.480 yeah I appreciate you too Vince

01:42:33.640 thanks so much man

01:42:34.440 and we'll check it out

01:42:35.900 everybody it's on Hulu

01:42:37.040 March 27th

01:42:38.980 now I'm just floating

01:42:40.500 on the breeze

01:42:41.640 and I feel I'm falling

01:42:43.240 like these leaves

01:42:44.600 I must be

01:42:45.640 cornerstone

01:42:47.920 oh but when I reach that ground

01:42:52.480 I'll share this peace of mind

01:42:54.620 I found I can feel it

01:42:56.700 In my bones

01:42:58.820 But it's gonna take

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - March 24, 2026

#648 - Vince Vaughn

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