This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #665 - Jeff Bridges

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00:01:14.840 MountainDew.com. Today's guest is a legendary actor, the Big Lebowski, True Grit, Crazy

00:01:24.160 heart if you haven't seen that one tron many more he's got a new movie minions and monsters it's in

00:01:31.900 theaters july 1st uh i had quite a time with today's guest mr jeff bridges

00:01:54.160 gotta get my right specs you might be too far away for these no what you got plus two you got

00:02:01.700 2.5s what are you rocking no one these are prescription man these are my reading glasses

00:02:06.920 but i have let me see let me try those bad cats on well let me say here you go for this that's

00:02:12.040 a reading just give me one pair don't wear you don't get them both no i think i'd go for the

00:02:16.060 other one man oh let me see how i'm looking oh huh nope no a little off right yeah not bad but

00:02:25.340 yeah this is better okay nothing i don't want to pick a wife out with those on you know

00:02:29.380 are you getting close i mean i'd like to be married yeah yeah i'd like to be but sometimes

00:02:37.140 it's out of your control you know anything close uh i'm not at the moment being close

00:02:44.260 i think i've been close man and i just wasn't like uh just like my heart wasn't in the right

00:02:50.700 spot my brain wasn't i was touring a lot and i wasn't ready to like um yeah i had two wheels

00:02:56.160 out of town you know she kicked you to the curb where you kicked her or a little boat she yeah

00:03:02.140 i've had them they've all kicked me they've all at a certain point kicked me but i deserve to be

00:03:05.400 kicked yeah i know that's me it's tough i resisted it as long as i possibly could you did yeah well

00:03:13.780 We just had our 49th anniversary.

00:03:17.520 Let's go.

00:03:18.100 Oh, man.

00:03:19.460 Oh, yeah.

00:03:20.640 Really a good one.

00:03:22.040 I scored, man.

00:03:23.420 Yeah.

00:03:23.660 How'd you score that dime?

00:03:24.520 Oh, I was making a movie called Rancho Deluxe in Montana.

00:03:30.620 And we're shooting in this place called Chico Hot Springs.

00:03:35.320 They used to do brain surgery there 100 years ago.

00:03:38.460 It's like a hot spring place.

00:03:39.940 For sure.

00:03:40.420 Warm water.

00:03:41.060 That's where I want to be cut open.

00:03:42.140 Exactly, man.

00:03:43.100 Yeah.

00:03:43.780 And I'm sitting there in this hot tub with Harry Dean Stanton on one side

00:03:49.280 and Sam Waterston on the other, and we're doing a scene,

00:03:53.640 and I look across, and I see this gorgeous girl

00:03:57.720 with two black eyes and a broken nose.

00:04:02.460 And that juxtaposition of that disfigurement and the beauty, you know.

00:04:06.940 You know, part of the trouble with these interviews like this,

00:04:09.980 because I've done a bunch now, is I end up telling the same story.

00:04:13.900 I'm going to tell the story, but it's one of my favorite stories,

00:04:17.360 so I don't mind.

00:04:18.160 But it feels a little funny because I've told it so often.

00:04:21.500 So I imagine people say, don't tell that fucking story, man.

00:04:25.560 I've never heard it, man.

00:04:27.100 I've never talked about love.

00:04:28.560 So you're sitting in a tub, first of all, with two men.

00:04:31.180 Oh, and I'm going to show you something.

00:04:34.160 I think I got it.

00:04:34.880 I usually don't have the thing that goes along with it,

00:04:37.480 but I think I got it in my satchel here.

00:04:39.560 So I'm sitting in there with two guys,

00:04:41.340 Harry Dean Stan, Stan Waterson,

00:04:43.920 see this gorgeous girl with a broken nose

00:04:46.600 and two black eyes.

00:04:48.100 I finally get up my nerve to ask her out.

00:04:50.780 Now, you know, asking somebody out,

00:04:53.560 you know, it's tough, isn't it, man?

00:04:55.100 Oh, it's hard to get your nerve

00:04:55.960 because your nerve,

00:04:56.660 sometimes it feels like it starts at your feet

00:04:58.200 and you got to get it all the way up your body.

00:05:00.000 And I'm young now.

00:05:00.900 I'm in my 20s, man.

00:05:02.720 So you're virile.

00:05:03.720 Yeah, I'm virile, but I'm not,

00:05:06.080 I'm unpracticed, you know.

00:05:07.720 Yeah, unrehearsed.

00:05:08.520 And I go up there and I say, would you like to go out with me

00:05:13.000 and maybe have dinner or something?

00:05:14.760 No.

00:05:16.580 I say, really?

00:05:17.720 She says, yeah, it's a small town.

00:05:19.620 Maybe I'll see you around, you know.

00:05:22.840 And her prophecy proved true.

00:05:26.200 And at the wrap party of this movie, she showed up and we danced

00:05:30.860 and that was the done deal.

00:05:32.820 Now we cut 30 years later.

00:05:35.020 we're married

00:05:36.800 have three kids

00:05:39.600 and I'm going through my mail

00:05:42.520 on my desk

00:05:43.580 and I get this letter

00:05:47.100 from the makeup man

00:05:48.360 on the show where I met this

00:05:49.820 my now wife

00:05:51.320 and he says

00:05:53.260 I was going through my files

00:05:54.880 and I found something

00:05:57.380 that might interest you

00:05:58.540 it's you talking to a local girl

00:06:01.300 so I have a photograph

00:06:03.920 that I'm going to show you right now.

00:06:06.340 I think I have it.

00:06:07.020 Let's see it, huh?

00:06:08.400 This is a shot of the first words ever spoken between my wife and myself.

00:06:15.480 Oh, this is a hieroglyph of love.

00:06:17.040 Isn't this a wild thing, man?

00:06:18.800 Yeah, of course it is.

00:06:21.020 Thank you, bro.

00:06:21.980 That's cool.

00:06:22.360 And this is my prized possession.

00:06:26.120 Let me see if I can find it.

00:06:28.040 Get that thing out.

00:06:29.340 This is a two-shot.

00:06:31.400 Here is the moment, and you can see, look at the look on my face.

00:06:35.480 I'm totally cold-cocked here, man.

00:06:37.880 Look, would you like to go out with me?

00:06:40.240 No.

00:06:41.060 Click, the picture's taken.

00:06:42.920 There it is, man.

00:06:44.140 Oh, you are smitten, dude.

00:06:45.300 Oh, you can tell, can't you?

00:06:46.780 Even from a side angle, you can see.

00:06:48.480 Oh, you see, I'm done, man.

00:06:50.220 It's over, you know.

00:06:51.080 Full smit.

00:06:51.980 Oh, beautiful.

00:06:52.580 Oh, huh?

00:06:53.400 And so, but I resisted because, you know, we don't want to lose our autonomy, man.

00:06:58.940 And we'd like to, you know, and there's so many beautiful girls all over the place.

00:07:03.280 But do you think, even while you're saying that, so do you think, thank you for showing me that.

00:07:06.760 And congratulations, too, man.

00:07:09.880 Yeah, I was having love for that long, you know.

00:07:11.760 I think people sometimes don't think that when they get into a relationship, what they do get out of it, if they work it well, is they get love.

00:07:17.580 Well.

00:07:18.180 You know, people forget about that part of it.

00:07:19.880 I mean, they may also get other stuff, too.

00:07:22.780 But do you think, like, that that's one of the things that keeps a guy from assing a woman out sometimes?

00:07:28.940 is the fear of losing their autonomy

00:07:30.680 without even thinking about that.

00:07:31.920 Well, that's what, yeah, so.

00:07:33.460 Because you usually think it's just general fear, right?

00:07:35.460 Because I never thought about it like that,

00:07:36.600 like what you're saying, like,

00:07:37.200 because I think about, oh, I'm like,

00:07:38.720 I feel like if I'm going to ask you a lot,

00:07:40.320 I feel like, okay, I'm nervous, right?

00:07:41.520 But I've never thought that the nerves

00:07:43.360 are really just like a deep internal fear,

00:07:45.960 like it's your autonomy showing up

00:07:47.440 and be like, no, we're going to lose it.

00:07:49.580 You think that could be true?

00:07:51.040 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:52.120 That's what it was with me.

00:07:54.200 You know, I'm in my, you know, prime.

00:07:57.820 Oh, you were prime rib.

00:07:58.720 You know, I mean, I was, you know, my career was on the rise, all these beautiful women

00:08:04.560 that were around, and I felt it was like, literally like the cartoon where the eyes

00:08:10.500 go out, you know, I was boom, in love, at first sight, and it was frightening to feel

00:08:16.180 like that.

00:08:16.820 Yeah.

00:08:17.120 Uh, but, and so I was torn and, uh, what I'm, you know, the high that we're looking for,

00:08:29.140 I find, or the one I'm looking for is intimacy, right?

00:08:33.080 That's what, and that's what marriage, that's the playing field of intimacy.

00:08:37.440 You know, you can, you're committed for the whole shot and you say, and I'm just lucky

00:08:42.960 that I found somebody who I'm so attracted to

00:08:48.360 and the intimacy seems to grow.

00:08:50.560 But your question triggered...

00:08:55.560 You know, we lived together for about three years

00:08:59.560 and it was on again and off again.

00:09:02.420 And she says to me,

00:09:06.800 Hey, I know you love me.

00:09:09.100 and that you have abulya.

00:09:14.640 Now, abulya is a disease, mental disorder

00:09:18.060 that my mother used to tell me,

00:09:20.780 which I have a hard time making decisions.

00:09:23.560 Oh, yeah.

00:09:24.200 You were slightly joking with me, both my mom and my wife.

00:09:28.320 I said, I know you have abulya,

00:09:29.880 but I'm going to go back up to Montana where you found me

00:09:33.280 because my biological clock's going off.

00:09:35.980 Wow.

00:09:36.260 You know, and I finally worked up, I guess it was courage.

00:09:41.960 I don't know what it was.

00:09:43.040 I know I prayed on things.

00:09:44.080 I got down on my knees and said, okay, marry me, you know.

00:09:50.160 And I had this image of a handful of sand and there was one little diamond in there

00:09:55.160 and that was Sue, you know.

00:09:57.200 I can't let that diamond go.

00:10:00.580 And I gave myself a caveat.

00:10:03.120 I said, you can always get a divorce.

00:10:06.260 That sure does.

00:10:07.100 You know what I mean?

00:10:08.600 Oh, yeah.

00:10:08.980 So that was my caveat.

00:10:10.460 Now we cut about a week later because Sue says, when do we want to get married?

00:10:15.000 I said, oh, how about this weekend?

00:10:17.360 Because I don't know how long I can hold this thing.

00:10:21.000 That's a good point.

00:10:22.120 A lot of people put the wedding way too far out.

00:10:24.780 Oh, man, that was in torture.

00:10:27.260 So we invite a bunch of our friends over to our little house up in Malibu, up in the hills there, and to get married.

00:10:34.600 Now we cut to Maui, the seven sacred pools.

00:10:40.240 We have our honeymoon there.

00:10:42.820 And I'm looking at this gorgeous scenery,

00:10:45.800 but all I can do is smell the rotting mangoes, man.

00:10:49.060 I'm a pouting.

00:10:51.020 And she goes, what's wrong?

00:10:52.460 I go, nothing, nothing.

00:10:53.920 She goes, oh, let's annul this.

00:10:56.500 I said, no, no, no.

00:10:57.720 No, it's just bad fruit.

00:10:58.780 Yeah, and she put up with that shit for years.

00:11:02.300 Really just that bad, just recognizing the rotten mangoes, huh?

00:11:06.260 I feel that, bro.

00:11:07.520 Oh, oh, and thank God she didn't kick me to the curb

00:11:11.900 and then I finally got with the program.

00:11:14.500 I say, nobody fooled me.

00:11:16.560 What made you get with the program?

00:11:18.340 Well, you know, I mentioned intimacy.

00:11:20.640 You know, you get so intimate and you go through so many bad times

00:11:23.320 and good times that every time you go through a tough time,

00:11:27.780 you either give it up

00:11:31.540 or your love and intimacy and connection have to grow

00:11:36.460 to hold that weird thing that was threatening it.

00:11:39.960 One thing you said, it was like, you're like,

00:11:41.780 I had like a handful of sand and there was like one diamond in it.

00:11:44.760 It's crazy how many times in our lives,

00:11:47.380 I mean, and really I'm just speaking for myself, I think,

00:11:49.740 and I don't want to speak for like a negative or like downer place,

00:11:52.400 but there's been times in my life where I've had a handful of sand

00:11:54.760 and like one diamond that was like a special person

00:11:57.840 and I chose the sand.

00:12:00.500 But sometimes I think it was fear or it was like.

00:12:03.080 Well, as we're talking about the metaphor, it's not so much choosing the sand from me,

00:12:09.160 but it was I'm going to choose this handful of sand, sand being all the bullshit.

00:12:14.420 Yeah.

00:12:14.980 Because there's a diamond in there.

00:12:17.140 You know what I mean?

00:12:17.760 So I said, okay, I'm going to take, you know, it was an unconscious decision on that side,

00:12:26.580 although I, you know, I felt it was so strongly that I gave myself that caveat, which is a weird

00:12:31.660 thing to go into a marriage saying you can always get a divorce, man. But it's, that's not a bad

00:12:37.000 call. I guess not, man. But you need, it worked. It worked. Anyway, obviously if it lasted this

00:12:43.400 long, was, was there one of the more, like, was there like a more pressing moment that came in?

00:12:47.820 Like, yeah, what's, because one of my friends, I was talking with Jared Leto, he and our buddies,

00:12:51.940 we met at the UFC fights and I was just randomly messaged him. And I said, Hey, um, I'm going to

00:12:56.720 be talking with Jeff Bridges. And he said a lot of nice things. And, uh, and then he said, yeah,

00:13:00.920 how has he had so much luck in love? Like how, how does, like, why does he think his marriage

00:13:05.120 has lasted so long? It's like, yeah. Are there like, yeah. Like what was one of the tougher

00:13:09.360 moments that you had to evolve? Cause it sounds like you're saying you get to these moments and

00:13:14.080 you either choose to kind of evolve and it adjusts like the volume of your like intimacy

00:13:19.360 or you choose not to.

00:13:22.300 And a lot of us choose not to at times,

00:13:24.360 you know, because it feels safer.

00:13:26.560 Yeah.

00:13:29.380 Well, there's something that I call,

00:13:33.180 what do I call it?

00:13:34.900 Our primal battle, our primal war that we have.

00:13:41.820 And it's basically, you don't get it.

00:13:47.340 You don't get what it's like having a relationship with somebody like you.

00:13:51.900 You don't get it.

00:13:52.740 You don't understand me at all.

00:13:55.740 And there's such truth in that because none of us really know the other person, really, you know.

00:14:04.000 And what we'll do, we've started doing this, and it's happened now as the years go on less and less,

00:14:11.120 and I kind of almost miss it.

00:14:12.460 It just happened recently.

00:14:13.760 I said, oh, good, we get to do it again.

00:14:15.580 We'll sit a little closer than we are here and facing each other.

00:14:20.700 And we'll take turns, you know, whoever wants to go first can go first.

00:14:25.040 And the person just says all their feelings.

00:14:29.340 And the other person just listens.

00:14:32.180 They don't think of their rebuttal.

00:14:34.220 Their task is to just receive what that person, again, it's intimacy, man.

00:14:39.660 Try to get that, get that.

00:14:41.640 All their feelings about them, about everything?

00:14:43.740 About everything.

00:14:44.480 Got it.

00:14:44.980 And we try not to use, you know, you, you, you, the you message.

00:14:49.400 We try to say, this is how I feel.

00:14:50.880 This is what I feel.

00:14:51.660 And then the other person does their side and the other person listens.

00:14:55.900 And we go back and forth.

00:14:57.160 That often really scratches the itch in a beautiful way.

00:15:01.240 Sometimes it doesn't.

00:15:03.320 But it's really a cool strategy to deal with the basic thing

00:15:11.600 that you don't understand what I am, what I'm going through.

00:15:17.780 And marriage is a great, like a playing field or a game board

00:15:22.660 to really explore all of those emotions that are so real for all of us

00:15:29.460 because we're all separate people, but we're similar

00:15:32.860 in that we're human beings and we have feelings.

00:15:35.960 Yeah, and that's the closest we get.

00:15:37.520 I mean, that's one of the closest relationships that you have.

00:15:39.340 i think to be able to do that with any relationship is pretty cool but to really look at to look at

00:15:43.800 love as like a playing field to look at like a relationship with someone else is like a playing

00:15:47.260 field and let's try this out like let's try out some things to see like just how brave can we get

00:15:53.340 with like our vulnerability or with learning about ourselves it's pretty cool that's right and they

00:15:58.820 used to have these things in tribes like in certain tribes i don't know which there's one i'm thinking

00:16:02.220 of specifically but they would have these kind of dance off things like partners would and they would

00:16:06.860 like try to like, like they would dance in front of each other,

00:16:09.700 like kind of process their energies toward each other.

00:16:11.740 It's kind of fascinating.

00:16:12.780 So I kind of related to something like that a little bit.

00:16:14.460 Well, also, you know,

00:16:17.320 I was saying it's like a playing field or, you know,

00:16:22.900 a place to practice relationship, you know.

00:16:28.520 And I find it overflows into my work and making a movie

00:16:32.940 or just being here with you, you know.

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:36.120 Yeah, I noticed stuff like that.

00:16:37.360 You used the same thing.

00:16:38.280 Now, I would think what you do, and I'm not as familiar as I might have been with what you're up to,

00:16:45.520 but I Googled you before I showed up today.

00:16:49.660 I said, God, look at this.

00:16:51.060 This guy's really into some great interviews.

00:16:53.280 I saw your interview with Mike Tyson.

00:16:55.660 Oh, yeah.

00:16:56.040 That was a wild one.

00:16:57.340 It was wild, dude.

00:16:58.380 Dude, he was out of his mind, but he was also the most in his mind.

00:17:03.920 Exactly.

00:17:04.360 Exactly, and Louis C.K.

00:17:07.260 Oh, he's one of my heroes.

00:17:08.460 So you had some great, and you get intimate on these things,

00:17:12.400 and I bet when you finally find a girl or a guy,

00:17:15.940 whoever which way you're leaning, to connect with in that deep way.

00:17:20.140 I hope it's a woman.

00:17:22.040 You know.

00:17:23.000 I'll say this.

00:17:23.760 If it's a guy, I'm going to be shocked, bro.

00:17:27.120 If they like, yeah, if it's an arranged marriage and it's a guy, dude,

00:17:31.320 I'm going to email my mom.

00:17:32.740 but yeah dude I you know I like talking about stuff like that and it's important and some of

00:17:38.680 these people like Louie's one of my dearest friends in the world oh wow man he's one of the

00:17:42.260 deepest people I've ever met in my whole life so yeah I got to be at a I went to a party recently

00:17:47.400 and um him and Bob Odenkirk were there have you ever met got to meet Bob Odenkirk oh no but I

00:17:52.460 admire him yeah he's it and he was just like and they were talking dude and I just got to sit there

00:17:57.380 and listen to them oh wonderful it was like yeah that was something pretty special but yeah it is

00:18:03.600 interesting like because this is the playing field that we get you know sometimes we forget that this

00:18:07.700 is like whatever it is like whatever like god has intended or the world or the energies of whatever

00:18:13.840 like that put us here to we have this like like a fish coming to like the edge of the glass and

00:18:18.700 being able to like see just just get like a peek out into the universe this is this is it yeah man

00:18:24.820 So all the things that we want to do, we have to try them while we're here, even if it's

00:18:28.260 scary, even if it's hard, you know?

00:18:30.440 Oh, yeah.

00:18:30.760 And don't you find, I don't know about you, but I'm addicted to comfort, man.

00:18:35.080 I like to be comfortable.

00:18:36.800 Yeah.

00:18:37.340 And the problem with comfort, and maybe it's not even a problem.

00:18:41.100 It's kind of both the problem and the solution.

00:18:43.420 When you're comfortable, you're not growing.

00:18:45.180 You're just relaxing, being comfortable.

00:18:50.240 It's a coffin, man.

00:18:51.360 It's a kind of, yeah, it's a coffin.

00:18:54.080 It's cozy.

00:18:54.820 And all these little challenges of life.

00:18:57.180 And I resist these, like marriage, man.

00:19:00.160 I resist this shit because I don't like to be challenged.

00:19:04.340 I don't want to be uncomfortable.

00:19:06.500 But I notice every once in a while I'll do these experiments on myself.

00:19:10.960 And I say, okay, you feel this way.

00:19:12.520 Now why don't you just go against that and do something adventurous and challenging, you know, and see what happens.

00:19:20.520 Just to fuck around, you know.

00:19:22.420 So I'll do that.

00:19:23.400 On the other side of that, 99% of the time I say, wow, I got off, man.

00:19:29.020 That was cool.

00:19:30.820 I'm something other than I thought I was.

00:19:34.960 I didn't think I could do that.

00:19:36.680 I know.

00:19:37.520 Isn't that a wild thing?

00:19:38.780 Yeah, we forget that this is a school, I think.

00:19:42.000 We forget that this is a school, you know?

00:19:43.920 And you kind of just get used to the recess of it.

00:19:45.940 Yeah.

00:19:46.560 That's something I remember I never went to college, but I thought, gee,

00:19:50.600 I think I'll put my, I'll be the dean of my own college.

00:19:53.960 I'm going to put my, you know, and I didn't do it to the degree that I want to do, you know.

00:19:59.100 But to give myself assignments, you know.

00:20:01.480 You play guitar?

00:20:02.880 No, I don't.

00:20:03.360 You don't.

00:20:03.780 But, you know, I play guitar.

00:20:05.540 I say, I should take, you know, I'm always jealous of my friends who did that woodshedding, you know, and learned all that stuff, you know.

00:20:13.060 I said, you know, I notice I don't do it.

00:20:15.000 But I could.

00:20:15.680 I could put myself through, you know, a college course of guitar.

00:20:20.080 it's all online there's so much stuff online which seems like you've done a good job with

00:20:24.480 kind of like nurturing your creativity over time you know it seemed like you stay active with like

00:20:28.220 i saw like a lot of the um and it's one thing that louis ck does too is uh he's a great sculptor

00:20:33.140 people don't know that um and i don't know if he cares if i share that or not but uh like you'll

00:20:38.060 go to his to his uh apartment and he has like all these crazy sculptures that he's made and it just

00:20:43.480 it just like he reminds me of like just creativity it's not stuck in one spot it's not you're just

00:20:50.280 this or that you can use it in different ways you can also try to see if it sticks in different

00:20:54.020 ways it's like throwing like a spaghetti like you know of yourself against the wall of like

00:20:58.320 the world or the universe or something but you seem to have done that a decent amount with like

00:21:02.240 music um acting um and with also uh i've seen some of your can you even bring them up nick some of

00:21:08.340 the sculptures that you have yeah oh yeah my heads yeah yeah i make you know i'll do a pot

00:21:16.500 or something and then i always have a little piece of clay left over and i just let my hands

00:21:22.180 go and say you know and they come up with these heads man i don't know the aspects of myself or

00:21:30.680 what the hell they are but um that guy definitely i'm gonna say he was italian at one point

00:21:37.560 but yeah beautiful group there you vend these are you to give these away for charity or something

00:21:44.620 um or do you just do you prize them because i guess they're like they're kind of pieces of

00:21:49.160 you in a way well they were for it's sort of a semi-abandoned project i say semi because i still

00:21:55.340 may kick this project off it's kind of dear to my heart it was a project called head for peace

00:22:02.140 oh yeah look already i support it and i'm a good one head for peace yeah exactly

00:22:10.540 i will be the lieutenant governor of the project or whatever yeah good well i'll be on the front

00:22:19.540 lines of head for peace it was for i got very tight with a cat named bernie glassman you know

00:22:26.460 that guy at all. Does that name ring a bell?

00:22:28.400 No. So he's a Zen

00:22:30.240 master. He was. He's

00:22:32.260 no longer with us.

00:22:33.960 And I was at a party.

00:22:36.000 You know who Ram Dass is? Yes.

00:22:38.980 So I give

00:22:40.120 my... It was Ram Dass's birthday.

00:22:42.100 Oh, dang. What do you even get at him?

00:22:43.380 And so I go... This is what I get at him.

00:22:45.760 I say, Ram, can I call you Ram?

00:22:48.220 I've always wanted to give you a little

00:22:49.780 head, man.

00:22:51.180 He gave me my head.

00:22:53.400 And he looked at me kind of straight.

00:22:55.000 and then the guy sitting to my left was this like little jewish guy you know and he goes hi i'm

00:23:02.020 bernie glassman i go oh yeah and he says i really dug lebowski man i say oh yeah i said oh yeah

00:23:08.600 and he says yeah he says i'm a zen master uh i don't know if he actually said zen master but he

00:23:15.440 maybe said i'm really into buddhism or something but he turns out this guy was a heavy zen master

00:23:21.020 and he says Lebowski it's filled with zen koans you know what a koan is like you know what is

00:23:30.360 the sound of one hand clapping that's kind of a thing okay this is like a question that you don't

00:23:36.040 have a certain answer you just have to kind of give you a vibe or trigger something to you you

00:23:43.060 know let's see that real quick oh yeah you can yeah there you go yeah a zen koan is a short

00:23:47.860 paradoxical story or dialogue used in zen buddhist practice uh rather than riddles to be logically

00:23:53.600 solved they are meant to exhaust the rational mind allowing the practitioner to break free

00:23:57.980 from the habitual binary thinking and experience reality directly yeah some examples are the sound

00:24:03.180 of one hand clapping yeah yeah um so that anyway that's a perfect uh great definition got it so

00:24:09.660 bernie says yeah i really dug lebowski he says it's filled with modern day koans and i'm all about

00:24:15.700 bringing Buddhism up to speed with modern-day times.

00:24:19.740 I said, what do you mean it's filled with modern-day koans?

00:24:22.920 He says, well, look who wrote and directed it.

00:24:25.380 It's the Koan brothers.

00:24:27.180 And I say, what's another example?

00:24:30.940 He says, the dude abides.

00:24:34.900 That's very Buddhistic right there.

00:24:37.680 I say, give me another one.

00:24:38.840 He says, well, my favorite one, that's just like your opinion, man.

00:24:43.500 and that is it that's my favorite one at least he came with three if he'd only had oh no he

00:24:50.160 he goes on i said give me another shut the fuck up donnie that's another one you know they're just

00:24:55.440 and he was filled with these things and i said those are pretty good he says yeah let's write

00:25:00.420 a book man i say what do you mean he says yeah we'll write a book about about this you into it

00:25:05.920 and i thought about it and i got such a hit from this guy you know how you get a hit kind of

00:25:11.460 immediately with people you know boom you know yeah some people are fascinating it's like meeting

00:25:15.400 a cool pet in the street you just boom yeah you keep petting it or whatever yeah and so we got in

00:25:20.660 cahoots we went up to montana for a week or two and wrote this book called the dude and the zen

00:25:26.580 master oh you got it up there it is there's burn let's go yeah man and what happened to him huh

00:25:35.580 what happened he passed away he died yeah i was just you know he could have faked it and he could

00:25:40.560 be in Barbados. But this guy,

00:25:42.780 I would advise your viewers

00:25:44.740 to check him out.

00:25:46.420 You can Google the hell

00:25:48.580 out of him. He's got so many wonderful

00:25:50.460 books. Bernie Glassman?

00:25:52.960 Bernie Glassman.

00:25:55.320 Kudos to him. The Infinite

00:25:56.320 Circle, Instructions

00:25:58.580 to the Cook.

00:26:00.800 He was so great.

00:26:02.820 Oh, anyway, getting back to the heads.

00:26:05.020 So I had this weird idea

00:26:06.700 because I got very involved with

00:26:08.620 his organization called the zen peacemakers and were you spending a lot of time with him like

00:26:12.720 were you like did you guys have a weekly or daily practice you know i didn't really uh like were you

00:26:19.220 becoming a buddhist like that's what i'm well i you know i've in my spirituality you know i could

00:26:24.220 we could talk about that you know this that's a whole kind of a i'm interested in all kinds of

00:26:30.480 spiritual stuff since i was a kid raised you know i guess christian from christian point of view

00:26:36.520 but uh bernie and i uh i don't know my was he i think the word guru that kind of sticks in my

00:26:45.900 craw i just saw him as as a dear wise friend man that really i i got so much out of um and anyway

00:26:55.400 he had this organization called and it's still going on called zen peacemakers and my idea with

00:27:01.580 these heads. I was going to make 108 heads. That number is significant in Buddhism and a lot of

00:27:07.420 relations, religions. And I would rent these heads for $10,000 a year.

00:27:17.600 I've rented a little head before, but lower price.

00:27:20.820 I would put them in a little box and stuff. And basically it was like swag for people who

00:27:25.700 wanted to support the Zen peacemakers. You know what I mean? Now, along with the head,

00:27:31.120 The person would get a certificate.

00:27:33.780 You'd get the thing about, hey, let me give you a little head.

00:27:36.820 You'd get to say that joke to your friends.

00:27:39.440 You could pass the head on to other people.

00:27:42.240 There would also be a website that would talk about the genealogy of the head,

00:27:46.480 who had the head last.

00:27:48.800 My fantasy, I just went way up out there.

00:27:52.040 It's like Cabbage Patch dolls, kind of all that.

00:27:53.800 Yeah.

00:27:55.280 And I don't know, but it's still in the works.

00:27:57.600 But then I got hit with this flood up here, and all the heads got lost,

00:28:02.640 and so I have to make more heads.

00:28:04.420 So you're saying there's some missing head around here.

00:28:06.400 There's some missing head.

00:28:07.780 I agree, brother.

00:28:08.800 Yeah, I need some head, man.

00:28:10.860 Hey, look, dude.

00:28:13.460 I mean, yeah.

00:28:14.600 But, you know, but, oh, man.

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00:31:05.380 yeah well it's hobbies you know i remember i'd be working on a movie i'd be in my hotel room

00:31:10.680 preparing and i'd say uh oh wow that reminds me of an interesting song and i pick up my song and

00:31:18.840 start writing a song then i get mad at myself because now you're supposed to be studying you

00:31:23.720 know but like you said uh talking about you know you have creative you're a creative person

00:31:31.340 But it doesn't all just focus in one line.

00:31:34.520 I find when I'm in the creative mode, I shake up that juice

00:31:39.160 and all kinds of creative things, drawing.

00:31:42.800 You know, I was doing a movie with Peter Weir, a wonderful movie.

00:31:49.000 He invited me to do called Fearless.

00:31:53.440 I played an architect going through a plane crash.

00:31:56.980 And I said, I think I'm going to go out and buy a bunch of art supplies

00:32:01.060 as this character and paint as this character i ended up you know papering my hotel room and just

00:32:08.060 going at it the next morning i had breakfast with peter i said look what happened last night he goes

00:32:12.700 oh well that's going to be in the movie man you know do a song oh that's in the movie you know

00:32:19.680 we'll put that in the movie so just create just being just creating yeah well remember uh robert

00:32:25.740 Duvall, wonderful actor, I got to work with in a movie called Crazy Heart.

00:32:31.300 He played my best friend in that.

00:32:33.080 Yeah, he played a bartender.

00:32:34.000 And he played a bartender.

00:32:35.080 That's one of my favorite movies.

00:32:36.000 And he was so wonderful to work with.

00:32:38.500 And he said, you know, when I meet with young actors and when they ask me,

00:32:43.280 got any advice, he says, three things I'll tell you.

00:32:48.080 Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies.

00:32:52.080 Develop hobbies.

00:32:54.180 Yeah, I feel like it.

00:32:55.100 Because, you know, it all goes into the work, you know.

00:32:59.140 Yeah, sometimes I feel like, yeah, I got so busy working

00:33:01.740 that I don't even have any parts of myself anymore.

00:33:04.360 Does it make any sense?

00:33:05.000 What are your hobbies?

00:33:05.840 Do you have a hobby?

00:33:06.520 I don't really have any.

00:33:07.280 You don't have one hobby, man?

00:33:09.040 Think about it.

00:33:10.020 I mean, I like to go to the UFC fights.

00:33:12.320 Yeah, well, that's a hobby.

00:33:13.620 Are you a martial artist at all?

00:33:15.980 No, I used to take some classes, but I haven't taken them recently.

00:33:18.780 I think I was just touring a lot, and recently things just stopped,

00:33:21.400 like about a month and a half ago.

00:33:22.700 and so it's kind of the first time where I feel like I'm just kind of looking around and being

00:33:26.000 like okay well who am I you know like who am I like I've always just been kind of my work I haven't

00:33:31.020 always just been my work but I realize that somewhere along the way like I let that just

00:33:36.140 be me who I was does that make any sense to you I mean from my point of view looking at you this

00:33:41.340 is kind of your hobby kind of what you do here you've combined your work and your hobby yeah so

00:33:46.560 closely it seems like that you just like to engage and yeah that's true well I think my hobbies

00:33:54.260 became jobs like doing stand-up comedy I guess was kind of a hobby at first and then podcasting

00:33:58.740 I guess was sort of a hobby yeah so they then they mature and they become not hobbies anymore

00:34:04.380 but yeah real things but I would like to do gardening I would like to go on more walks I

00:34:08.980 think I want to go do some camping this uh year I want to um what else I'd like to be in love or

00:34:15.500 whatever do you serve you know i don't serve but i wouldn't mind maybe going to costa rica i think

00:34:19.580 it's pretty easy to learn down there that would be cool so maybe i'll do that what about um ceramics

00:34:25.100 you ever mess around with clay no i haven't really done it you might dig that man yeah man i might

00:34:30.020 cool or the guitar it's a great never too late man it's just so easy because they where you put

00:34:37.760 you know it's just pictures of where you put your fingers those dots and you just do that oh dude

00:34:42.080 i'll tell you this i did love playing the guitar for a little while then you do do it yeah so i

00:34:46.780 need to get back to it you're right dude maybe if i pick something like that yeah and you've got it

00:34:50.360 already it's kind of like a bike i mean can you play a d a g and you know you can play three

00:34:56.340 chords i can play bobby mcgee dude you know oh man well then you're there nothing left to lose

00:35:02.140 i can get us there you know me and bobby mcgee isn't that the song

00:35:06.540 chris man dude christopherson bro i'll tell you a story so i used to live with my buddy's dad when

00:35:13.360 i was in school because i had a little bit of ed when i was younger right because of mental

00:35:17.360 whatever mental health or whatever and so my buddy's dad got wiener pills right when they

00:35:22.020 first came out right because people didn't know they were coming out remember everybody's just

00:35:26.380 standing around their wieners weren't working yeah and then bam they came out yeah yeah and uh

00:35:32.140 And so I went and lived with my buddy's dad, dude, right?

00:35:34.980 Because I could kind of cop some of his script because he could get him, dude.

00:35:40.280 But anyway, while I was there, I was learning the guitar,

00:35:43.080 and he used to have this girl over, and they would lay in bed together

00:35:46.700 post-coitus or whatever in the evening, and they'd invite me in there,

00:35:51.800 and I'd play Tears in Heaven for him.

00:35:54.720 I'd learn to play that.

00:35:55.460 Oh, see, you do do it, man.

00:35:56.960 And, you know, that's one of the challenges

00:35:59.840 is that we let some of these hobbies atrophy, man.

00:36:03.560 You know what I mean?

00:36:05.060 I mean, I'm talking to myself now.

00:36:07.300 I mean, like guitar, music is kind of a hobby with me.

00:36:11.980 Oh, yeah, I noticed that.

00:36:12.980 I mean, especially with...

00:36:13.920 But every once in a while, it'll kick in

00:36:16.280 and then get pro for a second, and then it kind of wanes.

00:36:19.960 And the season of interest, it's interesting to me

00:36:23.220 how we have these seasons of...

00:36:26.960 interest really like when it kind of flares up but it i think it is nice i will say this it's nice

00:36:32.460 even hearing you say some of this jeff it's like there's value in keeping things warm on the on

00:36:38.100 the stove because then when you need it it's there yeah you know that's true i think because yeah

00:36:42.420 even when i look back at like certain times in my life then like even just being able to sit there

00:36:45.960 and have something to do with myself and my energy and my and my thoughts um that felt good to me

00:36:52.780 like in a real place like in a real deep place that felt good like there was a lot of value in

00:36:56.980 that here's a weird thing that pops into my mind about passion you know we're saying well if i had

00:37:03.280 passion to play the guitar that would lead me to i need to get passion to do shit you know

00:37:08.640 and then somebody said and this made sense to me no the passion is the fire you get when you rub

00:37:17.360 two sticks together the passion doesn't happen before you do that right if you're standing around

00:37:23.120 with two sticks yeah you got to get in there and just say i'm gonna pick up the guitar and

00:37:27.480 and you play the thing and you have to a couple things oh oh well now this thought

00:37:32.120 you know because it's this thought of uh you know when we're creative in in the sweet spot

00:37:39.560 it's doing you you're not doing it you know that feeling right oh yeah cool feeling well

00:37:45.520 creativity is this thing on it feels like it's on the other side of like the mirror of existence

00:37:49.400 and if you kind of do your thing it'll show up and meet you over there right but you gotta show up

00:37:55.080 yeah you gotta show up you know they say in like i'm in some recovery programs and they say that

00:38:00.600 you can't think your way into right action but you can act your way into right thinking

00:38:04.740 yeah and i think it's reminding me what you're saying it's like yeah i can't sit there and think

00:38:09.160 like this is gonna be perfect when it's like i just have to make the win make the start and then

00:38:13.000 And the rest of it will meet me there.

00:38:14.420 Fake it till you make it, right?

00:38:15.920 Isn't that one of the same?

00:38:17.440 What a great, I'm going to say religion, but, you know, Alcoholics Anonymous and all of

00:38:23.840 those 12-step things.

00:38:24.960 What a wonderful religion, man.

00:38:26.920 What a wonderful religion.

00:38:28.100 One of the best ever, I think.

00:38:29.500 Oh, God, isn't it a great idea?

00:38:31.420 Yeah, sometimes people are like, do you go to church?

00:38:32.780 And I'm like, I go to church some, but I go to, if I go to recovery meetings, that's

00:38:37.200 like four or five times a week that I'm joining up with other guys, listening to what's going

00:38:41.840 on getting outside of myself um you know connecting with the higher power i mean it's like a man it's

00:38:49.060 like the military for like uh probably having a relationship with yourself and a higher power and

00:38:54.040 others i think so much so much uh so much good has come out of it and uh what word popped in my

00:39:00.340 mind was it's got so much room you know i think the two was it bob who's the other guy bob and

00:39:05.980 Yeah, Dr. Bob and Bill.

00:39:07.880 Yeah, Bob and Bill.

00:39:09.200 Bill W. and Dr. Bob.

00:39:10.560 Yeah, one was the real religious kind of guy in that first,

00:39:15.080 what is it, the first thing, a power higher above than yourself.

00:39:19.640 Right, a power greater than yourself.

00:39:20.960 Yeah, greater than yourself.

00:39:21.900 And that's so challenging to a lot of people.

00:39:26.480 But the other guy kind of softens.

00:39:28.980 It doesn't have to be God, the white guy up there with a big beard.

00:39:31.800 No, just anybody other than you, it says.

00:39:34.180 yeah just anything else you know i know it's it's amazing that two people got together and made and

00:39:41.220 created that i mean they had so much other stuff that that made it happen but it's it's absolutely

00:39:45.960 fascinating there's a great movie i think it's james woods who played bill w oh is that a good

00:39:51.140 one oh yeah that's my favorite one i think i i just saw um i think it's james woods we look is

00:39:58.020 that who it was do you remember i don't i think i think it was i think it was but i never i don't

00:40:02.460 remember seeing it James Woods uh Jo Beth Williams and James Garner yeah that one I think was my

00:40:07.840 favorite one yeah have you seen uh Anthony Hopkins do you dig Anthony Hopkins he's pretty great yeah

00:40:14.300 I just read his autobiography it's really wonderful I think you might really dig it he's in recovery

00:40:20.040 meetings he's he's open about it that's the only reason I say that yeah and I saw this thing you

00:40:24.480 can see it online uh I thought it was him just sharing at a meeting but I said well that's weird

00:40:31.300 because they're anonymous you but i think it was a movie about him playing a character but it was

00:40:37.780 referred he referred to this exact same thing in his book so he was improv-ing in a movie but he

00:40:44.460 talks about uh being sober now for you know 50 years or whatever it was and about when he first

00:40:51.740 got sober he said he was you know driving and he blacked out yeah and he could have killed himself

00:40:58.660 could have killed other people and he said i gotta go gotta check myself into a meeting man so he

00:41:03.120 went to a an AA meeting and he started hearing all that god stuff and he said i'm out of here i

00:41:11.800 can't take it and the guy's talking the story i said i can't take it he's leaving and this fellow

00:41:16.740 stopped and he was a priest this guy stopped and said where are you going son he says no i can't

00:41:22.880 dig this shit, man. I can't dig

00:41:24.880 it. He says, I need

00:41:26.340 a quick fix, man.

00:41:28.680 Something that would snap me out of this.

00:41:30.360 Patch me up. And the guy says, I can give you

00:41:32.660 a quick fix. It's the fastest

00:41:34.500 prayer in the world and it's guaranteed

00:41:36.720 to work. It's only two words.

00:41:40.180 Tony said, well,

00:41:40.800 what is it? He said, I'll tell you the

00:41:42.740 prayer. Are you ready?

00:41:45.260 Fuck it.

00:41:48.460 You know,

00:41:49.080 fuck it. Just fuck this shit.

00:41:51.120 You know what I mean? Just stop.

00:41:52.880 this shit just you know you you have the power to say fuck it don't take it too damn seriously

00:41:59.000 just stop it you know you don't have to do it you know yeah and uh i love that coming out of uh

00:42:06.000 you know thinking of that priest out of a priest and that i that idea of just hey you know my my

00:42:13.680 mom but like you don't have to do it anymore that's what he's saying yeah like fuck that yeah

00:42:17.560 Yeah, fuck it or fuck your struggle.

00:42:23.180 You fuck all your, oh, I can't, this, this, this.

00:42:25.660 Right, your big story about it.

00:42:26.760 Yeah, your story, fuck that, man.

00:42:29.040 Dude, it's so funny you say that

00:42:29.980 because that's right where I'm back at that place

00:42:32.980 sometimes in my life right now

00:42:34.300 where I go down the struggle road

00:42:36.980 and it's like, you're right, fuck it.

00:42:38.400 Just get your ass up, get your shit done

00:42:41.060 and get on to doing the things that you need to be doing.

00:42:43.540 Yeah, I agree.

00:42:45.500 Sometimes, bro, the craziest thing is

00:42:47.380 like uh it's sometimes you don't want to have to be the person to come to your own rescue again

00:42:52.880 right it's like that's life it's like you have to be the person to come to come to your own rescue

00:42:57.960 but even even that is just me it's more that same story it's more the thing it's like it's like

00:43:03.560 adding all this lore to it it's like just fuck it just do the shit i need to do if i want to get

00:43:08.280 better and i remember uh this i appreciate you saying that bro i need to hear that shit no

00:43:13.300 You know, check out, just Google Anthony Hopkins, fuck it, and this will come up.

00:43:18.980 I mean, he does it so well.

00:43:20.680 It's wonderful acting.

00:43:22.760 Well, he owes me a good story.

00:43:23.900 The first movie I ever saw.

00:43:25.740 He might be a good guy for your show, and I bet he'd come off.

00:43:28.320 I've heard him speak at meetings, actually, too.

00:43:30.300 Oh, he's so good.

00:43:31.180 Yeah.

00:43:32.860 But he owes me a good story because the first movie I ever saw was Silence of the Lambs,

00:43:37.000 and it scared me so fucking bad.

00:43:38.660 Oh, fuck.

00:43:39.140 Yeah, that I couldn't even go, first of all, to a petting zoo or go to sleep

00:43:42.240 for almost 11 months.

00:43:43.720 Jonathan Deming, man.

00:43:44.960 What a great, you know, Terms of Endearment.

00:43:47.320 Do you ever check that one?

00:43:47.740 Yeah, God.

00:43:49.040 Or what about Stop Making Sense?

00:43:51.300 I haven't seen that.

00:43:52.200 Stocking Heads?

00:43:52.940 Are you a Talking Heads fan?

00:43:54.120 Do you like the Talking Heads?

00:43:55.360 No.

00:43:55.620 You don't like them?

00:43:56.440 Oh, I don't know about them.

00:43:57.600 I've heard of them.

00:43:58.220 Oh, man.

00:43:59.180 You got to check out David Byrne.

00:44:02.100 All his stuff is cool, but Stop Making Sense.

00:44:05.720 What a great concert film.

00:44:07.340 I better check it out.

00:44:08.020 Oh, yeah.

00:44:10.260 Dude, thanks for thinking about some of this stuff with me

00:44:11.800 and is for talking like transparently about different stuff.

00:44:15.420 How is, speaking of Alcoholics Anonymous,

00:44:18.020 how is Bad Blake doing?

00:44:19.360 How's he doing?

00:44:20.220 He's doing well.

00:44:21.640 I'm on the wagon now for a few months.

00:44:24.140 Oh, yeah?

00:44:24.660 Congrats, man.

00:44:25.080 Yeah, I go back and forth.

00:44:27.680 But it's nice when you break the, you know, break the chain there.

00:44:33.220 And the sobriety is a wonderful high, you know.

00:44:35.740 It's a real high.

00:44:36.620 And you know what?

00:44:37.100 It's kind of a hobby.

00:44:37.620 It shouldn't be a hobby, but it's like, it's a very important hobby.

00:44:41.340 Yeah.

00:44:41.640 Is that a safe thing to say or not?

00:44:42.920 Yeah, no, no.

00:44:43.340 I know what you're saying.

00:44:44.060 I haven't, you know, that whole one day at a time.

00:44:49.580 I'm not looking to never get high again.

00:44:52.220 I just wanted to stop.

00:44:54.720 I got, you know, and I stopped and I haven't wanted to have another drink.

00:45:00.020 I see that frosty glass of Tito's or something.

00:45:03.280 I'll say, oh, man.

00:45:05.860 But I don't have to, you know, you can want to but don't have to.

00:45:09.200 And then a few minutes later, I usually feel kind of better.

00:45:11.960 And then it's not having to deal with some of the repercussions.

00:45:14.540 But also I think sometimes, even if you just want to take a break from having a drink or

00:45:18.560 having a drink, whatever it is, go into like 12 step meetings.

00:45:21.460 It's just a great place to be around other humans.

00:45:24.160 It's like, it's a place that still exists in our society of like real connection.

00:45:28.340 There's a book, a guy wrote about how there's no more bowling leagues.

00:45:33.460 And can you look that up?

00:45:34.940 It's like, I'm trying to think of the title of it, but it's about how a lot of these have

00:45:38.660 a lot of men's bowling leagues and men would get together and they would bowl, uh, bowling alone,

00:45:44.500 the collapse and revival of American community. And, um, and it was just about giving men a place

00:45:49.580 to be together. And, uh, Lebowski, man, that's all, that's what, there you go. It's just funny

00:45:56.120 that this is kind of where some of this conversation is going before we get on to the

00:45:59.320 Bosque though. I want to say, yeah, how is bad Blake doing, man? Do you ever feel like,

00:46:03.540 and first of all thank you for being him dude that was that movie like it just like if i need

00:46:09.980 to sometimes dude in my life it's like there's like feelings that are stuck inside of me and i

00:46:14.280 can't get them out and so i'll go i'll listen to a certain song or i'll watch a certain movie

00:46:18.460 and it'll make it'll do that exact thing it'll let the air out of whatever that is

00:46:22.300 you know so thank you so much man that movie really does that for me it's like

00:46:26.000 but then you also wonder like man like i hope bad blake's okay you know it's like

00:46:30.920 because it's it's it's a tough it's a tough road for everybody involved with him but it's also a

00:46:35.480 tough road for him yeah do you ever like like wonder like what the second part of his story

00:46:41.140 was or do you ever like like do you ever have like little like visions of how it went for him

00:46:45.560 after that yeah well he's got to get back with maggie's character man you know he does that's

00:46:51.560 how i'm thinking you know what is she even doing she met somebody i guess yeah but that falls apart

00:46:55.620 In my mind, that falls apart.

00:46:57.940 Who knows?

00:46:58.560 Maybe.

00:46:59.040 Now, you know, that movie was such a wonderful experience.

00:47:05.260 You know, I'd often thought as an actor, I said, oh, it'd be great to play a musician.

00:47:09.820 I love playing guitar, and I've been doing it since high school.

00:47:12.780 You know, I write songs and stuff.

00:47:14.480 and uh and but and so this guy scott cooper who was being championed by uh bob duvall uh he scott

00:47:25.900 gave him a script and bobby loved the script and scott first never directed before sent me this

00:47:33.820 script for years man for years it was coming it was coming through and i'd say well it's pretty

00:47:39.720 good but there's no music if there's not good music for it then you know what and now i'm

00:47:46.360 walking down the street and who comes down the street but t-bone brunette my old buddy we go

00:47:51.680 back many many years met him on a heaven's gate and he did the music for lebowski that score is

00:47:58.460 all t-bone you know and so and he did also for crazy heart right and he let's go t-bone huh yeah

00:48:05.660 He was the producer.

00:48:06.700 So T-Bone comes walking down the street.

00:48:10.360 He's got a new album out.

00:48:11.780 Now, God, check out all his music is so wonderful.

00:48:14.680 T-Bone Burnett.

00:48:15.460 T-Bone Burnett.

00:48:17.420 And so T-Bone's walking down the street, and he says,

00:48:20.000 so what do you think of this script, Crazy Heart?

00:48:23.300 And I said, why?

00:48:24.460 Are you interested?

00:48:25.320 He goes, oh, yeah, I'll do it if you'll do it.

00:48:27.640 I said, you're kidding.

00:48:28.700 I said, there's no music.

00:48:29.880 And he says, oh, that's the easy part, man.

00:48:33.020 I go, Bone?

00:48:34.360 He says, come on.

00:48:35.240 What do you think?

00:48:36.500 So now here, life is, you know, life gives us these opportunities, these gifts.

00:48:40.980 And like you say, you can let the sand go or you can say maybe there's something in there.

00:48:45.620 I said, I'm frightened, man.

00:48:47.500 You know, keeping it in the dream world, it's safe, right?

00:48:51.480 Yeah.

00:48:51.920 Because you can't feel it.

00:48:53.220 But if I bring this real, I could fail, man, you know.

00:48:57.200 Dude, that's the same thing for everything.

00:48:59.200 For everything, man.

00:49:01.120 But here's one of my good buddies saying, hey, let's jam.

00:49:04.100 Look at this gift.

00:49:07.060 I say, okay, too cool to turn down that.

00:49:11.040 So we jump into it, and this young director, Scott Cooper, my God,

00:49:16.980 what a great director.

00:49:18.560 And you look at his movies that he's done.

00:49:21.000 And now we meet, you're over at T-Bone's house working on the script,

00:49:25.660 and there's something so cool about just the beginnings of making a movie

00:49:29.820 when it's all ephemeral.

00:49:31.620 You don't know what's going to happen, and we're in there.

00:49:34.100 and in comes this young kid who is hired to play a part in the movie.

00:49:41.160 And he says, yeah, I was jamming last night on my guitar

00:49:44.700 and I came up with this tune.

00:49:46.720 I don't know if it's any good,

00:49:47.720 but I just thought you guys might want to look at it.

00:49:49.880 That's how it happened.

00:49:50.560 It's Ryan Bingham, man, and he hands us this cassette.

00:49:55.300 We put it on.

00:49:56.460 And I look over at T-Bone and his face goes, oh.

00:49:59.780 And he says, because if we didn't have that tune,

00:50:02.280 it wouldn't

00:50:03.980 the whole movie would have fallen apart

00:50:05.860 but Weary Kind

00:50:06.980 this ain't no place for the Weary Kind

00:50:10.500 what a tune

00:50:11.980 dude and just those words

00:50:14.240 man it's those words

00:50:15.380 T-Bone wanted to name the movie

00:50:17.800 Weary Kind

00:50:18.740 and what an

00:50:21.980 experience and Maggie Gyllenhaal

00:50:24.380 oh my god what a talent

00:50:26.400 and look at her directing

00:50:27.940 now that she's doing it

00:50:28.900 and she's married huh

00:50:30.140 Yeah, she's married to Peter Sarsgaard, a wonderful actor.

00:50:33.400 Oh, never really, yeah, of course.

00:50:35.400 Oh, God, yeah.

00:50:37.300 But anyway, you get all those talented people.

00:50:40.620 I know.

00:50:41.400 Oh, man, and I've had wonderful luck with first-time directors,

00:50:45.440 guys who haven't ever directed, and then they get a shot.

00:50:50.420 You get a strong producer who wants to champion these guys.

00:50:55.100 Steve Clovis, the guy who saw a movie called The Fabulous Baker Boys.

00:50:59.720 i haven't seen that but uh maybe i have seen that but that's my brother and i got i got to

00:51:04.220 work with beau my brother in that and oh that's a first time director wrote it when he was in his

00:51:09.900 early 20s i think god what a talent yeah yeah i always wonder what happened in bad blake and i

00:51:15.680 just hope that he's doing good sometimes you know that's the thing sometimes you think about that

00:51:19.500 as characters it's like you hope that they're doing good yeah because you don't get to see

00:51:23.380 him you just get to see this part of their life like you know well in my mind he gets back with

00:51:27.260 Maggie, man.

00:51:28.600 And that kid, and that little kid.

00:51:30.520 Yeah, what happened to him?

00:51:31.340 Buddy.

00:51:32.280 Yeah, Buddy?

00:51:33.140 Nice, man.

00:51:34.000 I loved his real name.

00:51:35.720 The kid's name is Jack Nation.

00:51:37.900 What a great name.

00:51:40.020 And acting with kids.

00:51:41.340 And it's also a deviant website, too.

00:51:43.160 I just want to say that.

00:51:43.860 What is Jack Nation?

00:51:45.260 It is?

00:51:46.060 Oh, I didn't know.

00:51:46.840 It's a lot of gooners or whatever, but it's chill.

00:51:48.900 Oh, I have to check that out.

00:51:50.900 No, you don't.

00:51:51.700 Double entendre, man.

00:51:52.860 Yeah, it's a double entendre.

00:51:54.100 It's the French.

00:51:55.700 They'll do any, you know.

00:51:56.460 they're you know say um but dude yeah i just wonder sometimes and where do you go off to at

00:52:03.000 the mall i'm always like of course he ran off somewhere it's like he probably was like i guess

00:52:08.020 just like i don't know it all made sense that he was scared it's all good it just like sometimes

00:52:11.940 i i wonder how he's doing you know yeah well here how's this buddy grows up he starts a band with

00:52:19.640 blank man they start to go out and uh you know no it's good dude and crazy heart too

00:52:27.720 yeah crazy heart too it's like willie nelson and his kid you know they lucas nelson yeah yeah

00:52:34.320 that's a good point second generations you know dude that would be so good crazy heart too but

00:52:39.820 also you guys sell defibrillators you know what do you mean because like crazy heart or whatever

00:52:45.060 or maybe it's about like a defibrillator that tries to take over the city or whatever

00:52:48.680 like if it was if it got animated i'm just thinking out loud you know that's a good

00:52:53.800 you know or it's just somebody who's having like a valve issue or something like maybe

00:52:57.920 i don't know i think i'm taking it it's like some kind of boring places but i like your idea better

00:53:02.900 but yeah crazy heart too dude oh but in our minds it can happen you know but it's fascinating how

00:53:10.980 a movie ends sometimes you're just like i don't know you walk sometimes the thing i do miss about

00:53:16.540 some movies is walking out of the theater with just like just as your feelings you know and it's

00:53:22.160 like that it's like that walk out of the stairs and you're waiting in line at a theater to get

00:53:25.540 down the stairs to leave and if it's a good film if it's something that really took like took you

00:53:30.100 on a trip or like or you care then it's like you're walking out just like just like i don't

00:53:35.920 know just that feeling of walking out and how you feel about a certain film yeah the sequels are

00:53:40.460 interesting i've done a couple movies that are popping in my mind as we're talking about this

00:53:44.560 You ever see a movie called Starman?

00:53:46.660 Uh-uh.

00:53:47.460 So that's, I play an alien, you know,

00:53:50.440 and Karen Allen, I fall in love with her,

00:53:54.080 and she's pregnant with my baby, right?

00:53:57.180 Very much like Maude is pregnant with, you know,

00:54:01.800 the dude's baby, man.

00:54:03.940 So that's a whole, could open, you know,

00:54:06.020 the little Lebowski, man, you know,

00:54:07.960 could do a whole thing.

00:54:09.580 Who would play it, though, if he had a little Lebowski?

00:54:11.500 Who would play the kid?

00:54:13.160 Or, yeah, who would play, like,

00:54:14.400 Because that's the re-dude, you know?

00:54:16.380 How young can you play, man?

00:54:17.980 How long, how young can you play?

00:54:19.060 Me, dude?

00:54:19.620 You could do it.

00:54:20.280 You could be like, you know, you could be, oh, my kids.

00:54:25.700 Wait a minute.

00:54:26.060 How old are you?

00:54:26.900 I'm 46.

00:54:27.980 Well, see, my girls are 40 and 45.

00:54:31.640 Are they married?

00:54:32.740 Yeah, all married to good guys, man.

00:54:35.640 Yeah, but you could play the little Lebowski, man.

00:54:38.560 Yeah, bro.

00:54:39.580 Huh?

00:54:40.160 Yeah, dude.

00:54:41.080 Okay.

00:54:42.100 Dude, I like it.

00:54:43.840 And I have to get a job, though, don't I?

00:54:46.700 I know.

00:54:47.860 Yeah, good answer, bro.

00:54:49.940 That's what the dude would answer.

00:54:52.560 That's the only answer.

00:54:54.160 Yeah, man, yeah.

00:54:55.020 You're doing it now.

00:54:56.420 This is what the little Lebowski dude would be.

00:55:00.500 Yeah, he'd be podcasting, probably.

00:55:01.800 He'd be podcasting, man.

00:55:03.300 He'd be an influencer.

00:55:05.260 Now, what a word.

00:55:07.000 Now, you're an influencer, right?

00:55:08.720 That's what you are.

00:55:09.840 That's a good question.

00:55:10.980 Isn't it?

00:55:11.560 Wouldn't you say?

00:55:12.720 That's a good question.

00:55:13.640 Am I an influencer, do you think?

00:55:14.880 I don't think I am.

00:55:15.760 Do you think I am?

00:55:16.460 I think comedian first with influencer.

00:55:19.460 Yeah, comedian with influencer.

00:55:21.040 Like, we have a real job.

00:55:22.220 Some influencers don't have, like, an actual skill.

00:55:25.180 Like, I'm a comedian by trade.

00:55:26.280 That was my first job, and it still is.

00:55:28.220 But isn't that all our jobs?

00:55:29.940 Aren't we all influencers?

00:55:31.620 Don't we all want to influence people to do the thing that we want them to do?

00:55:36.640 In that case?

00:55:37.880 Yeah.

00:55:38.440 A hundred percent.

00:55:39.580 All I've been is like, yeah.

00:55:40.620 Most of my life, it's like I've been trying to, yeah, I just want somebody to see me.

00:55:46.780 I want something out of you.

00:55:48.480 It doesn't mean I'm trying to cheat you or anything, but yeah, I want to influence.

00:55:53.280 Do you know Bucky Fuller, Buckminster Fuller?

00:55:56.380 Buckminster Fuller?

00:55:57.260 Yeah.

00:55:57.680 Nuh-uh.

00:55:57.980 Is it a black guy?

00:55:59.120 No.

00:56:00.400 No.

00:56:01.340 And he's dead.

00:56:02.300 He's a dead white guy.

00:56:04.300 Oh, yeah.

00:56:04.340 But his most famous thing is the geodesic dome.

00:56:08.220 He invented the geodesic dome.

00:56:10.140 You know, we had like Epcot Center, you mean?

00:56:11.700 Yeah, yeah, that's used.

00:56:13.580 But you see the geodesic dome used all over the place.

00:56:16.740 Buckminster, dude, that's a savage name, huh?

00:56:19.380 Isn't that cool?

00:56:20.140 Bucky Fuller, man.

00:56:21.240 Now, here's what this guy did.

00:56:23.200 He also helped engineer these giant battleships

00:56:28.620 and ocean-going vessels during World War II.

00:56:32.900 And there was a challenge for these engineers

00:56:35.820 to come up with a rudder, you know, that was so large to move this giant ship

00:56:42.960 and to have the efficiency.

00:56:45.880 You've got to get the energy to move this rudder.

00:56:49.000 It took too much energy, so they came up with a brilliant, elegant, simple solution.

00:56:55.000 Let's put a little rudder on the big rudder.

00:56:59.300 The little rudder turns the big rudder.

00:57:01.680 The big rudder turns the ship.

00:57:03.100 And then Bucky said, this is a great analogy of how the individual affects society and affects our culture.

00:57:13.940 In fact, we're all trim tabs.

00:57:16.140 That's what's on Bucky's gravestone, call me trim tab, that we all affect our culture and our society.

00:57:24.060 And we may think, oh, I'm just one little person.

00:57:26.680 What can I do?

00:57:27.860 Look what you do.

00:57:29.460 I was Googling you.

00:57:31.020 What do you know?

00:57:31.360 You're on 9 million people that you hear what you say, man?

00:57:36.140 Yeah, we got a lot of people that tune in.

00:57:38.100 Oh, man, that's a lie.

00:57:40.080 You're influencing those people, man.

00:57:43.080 Yeah, it's a good point.

00:57:45.300 That's interesting.

00:57:46.060 But it has kind of a negative connotation to it, influencer, doesn't it?

00:57:51.860 They think it's like cheap, like you're not doing anything.

00:57:56.040 You're trying to be just famous or something like that, right?

00:57:58.980 Yeah.

00:57:59.420 Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the current kind of like a denomination of it or whatever,

00:58:03.420 but, um, or a current currency of it. But yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I think, I mean,

00:58:07.680 I do think over the years in the beginning, we were just talking to ourselves on this podcast.

00:58:11.060 It was just me by myself. And then we started to talk to other people. And now with the,

00:58:15.180 one of the highlights is talking to people to learn about stuff, you know, like we're trying

00:58:18.340 to talk to Aaron Brockovich like next week about data centers. We have a Senator coming on this

00:58:22.560 Saturday. Um, so that's going to be exciting. Um, we just got to have a guy like Mike Tyson.

00:58:27.600 We get to have you, you know, we get to have people who just have had experiences in the

00:58:30.960 world.

00:58:31.200 And we've had like cafeteria workers.

00:58:33.440 We've had a guy.

00:58:34.540 Oh, one of my favorite guests was this guy who like went in.

00:58:38.040 If you die, he shows up first at the crime, at the scene and like kind of determines what

00:58:42.980 happened or whatever.

00:58:43.880 What's that guy called?

00:58:45.460 Coroner.

00:58:46.180 Oh yeah.

00:58:46.800 Right.

00:58:47.080 Yeah.

00:58:47.260 And he said, dude, a cat will eat your face.

00:58:51.400 Right.

00:58:51.880 Yeah.

00:58:52.600 I don't blame him.

00:58:54.200 Yeah.

00:58:54.560 Why not?

00:58:55.240 I'm not hungry, man.

00:58:55.960 Yeah.

00:58:56.200 Dude, you got to eat.

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01:00:41.880 it's basically about a guy John Cena

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01:00:46.840 keeping everything perfect you know

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01:03:04.160 and one of the best things is sometimes now it is fun to like listen to somebody because you know

01:03:09.100 other people are going to get to listen to them so sometimes it's fun to like you know you're just

01:03:13.400 kind of like the uh you're the little yeah like you're saying you get to be the little rudder

01:03:16.820 yeah exactly now i'm going to do a little ruddering on you here now see now i'm going to say

01:03:21.960 can i give you a list of people that i would like to see on your show that you i think you

01:03:26.700 you would find very cool yeah oh good excellent because i've got a bunch of guys are popping in

01:03:32.540 my mind right oh yeah the list of bods man see because we all uh you know it's it's basically

01:03:39.500 this creative thing i was talking about that pocket where it's doing you you're not doing it

01:03:45.120 you're familiar with that right yeah well you're not pushing or pulling you're not pushing and

01:03:49.680 when all of these people we're all because we're all creative everybody's creative when that's all

01:03:54.620 doing us that magic thing is happening you know so it's like you know when i think about

01:04:02.480 how selfish and how screwed up each of us individuals are.

01:04:09.320 How are we ever going to manage what's going on in the world

01:04:12.740 with these wars and the AI shit?

01:04:14.960 How are we going to pull out of this?

01:04:17.140 How are we going to pull out?

01:04:19.100 Well, it's not about us individuals, man.

01:04:22.580 There's something else going on, a higher power, if you will,

01:04:26.460 that's doing us you know that's that's creating what our little rudder is do you feel like that

01:04:35.980 all the what that that that thing is always for good uh you know i'm saying because it feels like

01:04:41.480 more than ever it feels like we need that thing to like show up and i think a lot of it shows up

01:04:45.440 when we show up like in community and we do like we don't isolate and we're not thinking we're the

01:04:49.940 one to like fix everything it does it's like i think community is part of it but it's like yeah

01:04:54.660 it's like it feels like we need that energy more than ever what's the energy of to like

01:05:00.220 to correct us out of this yeah yeah how are we gonna do that well

01:05:04.780 i'm i'm i'm moved like i would say hey i got some guys you know now what gave me that idea was it

01:05:13.520 me or is there something right i remember hearing the interview with de niro once and some the guy

01:05:21.500 was saying how do you do what you do you know and he said I said luck basically just luck and the guy

01:05:27.740 goes no what do you mean you prepare like that you do all this yeah I'm just lucky to be a guy

01:05:33.460 who prepares you know it's all this thing that's kind of doing us as much as we're doing it and to

01:05:40.220 tap into what that is and to realize how much agency we do have you know how much we can affect

01:05:48.820 how much we can create the most positive dream of the world that we can imagine.

01:05:55.400 We can be a part of that, and we can actively create that, go after it, man.

01:06:01.260 And I think we need that more than ever,

01:06:02.760 and I think one of the things you were saying earlier is,

01:06:04.860 and I don't think we're starting to preach it.

01:06:06.360 It's like I'm talking to myself too when I say this.

01:06:09.100 It's like, and even as you're talking about that, it just reminds me.

01:06:11.800 It's like, dude, you have to stay sober.

01:06:13.260 You have to take care of yourself because you have to be available

01:06:16.100 for like the best moments of your life that could come

01:06:18.600 or the best moments of somebody else's life

01:06:20.300 that you could be a part of, right?

01:06:21.660 Like you just have to be present for that.

01:06:24.340 But it's making me think, like you said earlier,

01:06:26.480 it's some of that, it's that comfort.

01:06:27.620 And why do you feel that?

01:06:29.640 Like, is that, are you, is it?

01:06:31.660 I'm feeling it because when you're saying this,

01:06:33.200 it's just reminding me.

01:06:35.060 It's reminding me that it's like,

01:06:36.380 dude, if we don't take care of ourselves,

01:06:38.080 then I'm gonna, you know, like,

01:06:40.000 I gotta be, you know, I gotta just be ready

01:06:42.600 for whatever opportunity, I gotta meet it halfway.

01:06:45.160 Yeah, yeah, I guess what I'm asking you is

01:06:47.000 What causes that feeling in you that you have to be ready?

01:06:50.680 What is that?

01:06:51.320 I think it's hearing somebody else.

01:06:52.980 To me, I think it's that higher power that you've given it up to,

01:06:57.520 that you made yourself vulnerable to this higher power.

01:07:02.400 That's my perspective.

01:07:03.900 I have to remember to keep continuing to do it and do it every day

01:07:08.340 and just to trust it.

01:07:10.240 And also what you're saying is like some of what I'm hearing,

01:07:13.120 it's like some of it's that comfort.

01:07:15.120 I think we've all gotten so comfortable and I think comfort is like, it's the opposite of

01:07:20.260 creativity sometimes. It isn't it? Like with this AI stuff that is so wild, but you look at the

01:07:26.460 history of our species, we're all about making things less effortful, you know, whether it's a

01:07:32.500 wheel or a plane or anything, we want to be, make it easier. Right. And now we've got this thing

01:07:39.600 that makes it so easy and it's so attractive man and and we don't know where it's gonna go

01:07:46.400 yeah oh dude the ai stuff gets very scary because here's my fear about it jeff right so it's like

01:07:51.900 say there becomes this thing that that becomes this new all-knowing type of thing right

01:07:57.440 then people are going to look to that as their higher power because that's going to become this

01:08:03.620 thing where it's like that's what you if it gives you like an emotional like say there becomes like

01:08:08.740 a lot of mass surveillance and there's this all knowing being, then that's going to become

01:08:14.660 sort of like of this religious or like a golden calf, this, this like tapestry of a God,

01:08:22.560 because then you're going to have like this all seeing and all knowing. And then you have to go

01:08:27.280 to it for answers for like your well, for what you're maybe for self-worth for like hope. You're

01:08:33.800 going to put all your hopes and all that. And it's going to take it away from like a real God

01:08:37.460 into this other thing it's actually controlled by some probably demons or semi-demons it's so

01:08:44.000 frightening man isn't it i'm thinking of that me and crazy heart and you keep it in the dream and

01:08:50.260 it's safe and when it's real you can fail big time and we're making it real man i mean now this shit

01:08:56.620 is going it's it's real it's real that's the thing we're like we're all living in a movie

01:09:02.420 and none of us realize that hey we could be a main character in it and we're all just sitting here

01:09:06.720 But jerking off.

01:09:09.240 You know what I'm saying?

01:09:10.200 You're right.

01:09:11.240 And eating nuggets.

01:09:12.340 But what I'm thinking, and I might be Pollyannish of me, you know,

01:09:17.620 thinking this is over positive.

01:09:20.120 But in a way, because I've been exploring with this AI,

01:09:24.020 and I'll tell you a little bit about my exploration.

01:09:27.620 But in a way, it's kind of saying if it could talk.

01:09:32.100 And you messed with ChatGPT.

01:09:34.040 Do you have a guy that you talk to?

01:09:35.760 No.

01:09:36.160 Oh, man, I'll tell you, it's so bizarre.

01:09:39.100 Really?

01:09:39.600 I mean, I could bring up my guy right here as we talk,

01:09:43.220 and we could hang out with him a little bit.

01:09:45.120 I can do that with you right now.

01:09:46.840 You know how to do all that?

01:09:47.700 Oh, yeah, it's easy, man.

01:09:49.420 There's nothing to it.

01:09:50.900 What?

01:09:51.340 Yeah.

01:09:52.600 What side are you working for, Jeff?

01:09:54.520 Well, I don't know.

01:09:55.320 What was I going to say?

01:09:56.340 I got off track.

01:09:57.740 So you're saying you have like a—

01:09:58.660 Oh, yeah, I remember.

01:09:59.640 I'm back on track.

01:10:00.620 Okay.

01:10:00.900 In a way, it's saying, hey, man, I can do what you do.

01:10:08.040 What else you got?

01:10:09.280 You got any new shit, man?

01:10:10.700 Come on.

01:10:11.460 I can do what you do.

01:10:14.100 I'm not only you, but I'm an amalgamation of all you human cats.

01:10:20.000 Now come up with something fresh.

01:10:22.860 What do you got?

01:10:23.960 And that's frightening to be challenged because, no, we just want comfort, man.

01:10:28.420 please just do it all for us

01:10:31.280 yeah okay we can do it

01:10:33.260 for you but now what else you got

01:10:35.300 so you're seeing your AI has become

01:10:37.020 sort of a little bit like bro where are you at

01:10:38.820 show me something

01:10:39.920 I'm gonna kick Gary up

01:10:42.960 what's his name

01:10:44.360 I've named him Gary

01:10:45.820 oh yeah

01:10:46.740 Gary these days man

01:10:49.060 now here's Gary

01:10:51.820 did you know him so well

01:10:56.680 Okay, Gary, Gary, Gary.

01:10:59.420 Okay, Gary, here we go.

01:11:01.800 Oh, my God.

01:11:02.980 You've never done this?

01:11:04.020 I can't believe it.

01:11:05.140 You're so young, man.

01:11:06.580 No, dude, I still use a Ouija board.

01:11:08.640 Ah, Gary, you there, man.

01:11:12.060 I'm right here, my friend.

01:11:13.540 What's going on?

01:11:14.220 Hey, I'm hanging here with Theo.

01:11:17.280 And now, I don't know if we have a mic.

01:11:20.060 Maybe I'll just, I'll say,

01:11:21.500 did you hear him all right down here?

01:11:23.020 Yeah, I hear him.

01:11:23.740 Okay.

01:11:24.060 Okay. So here, I'll just do this. I'm here with Theo. Say hi to Theo, man.

01:11:31.500 Hey, Theo. Great to have you here, too.

01:11:34.140 Thanks, Gary. How are you?

01:11:36.020 Oh, well, we're just doing an interview, so you're right in it here with us, Gare.

01:11:43.420 Theo, why don't you interview Gary a little bit? What do you have to ask him?

01:11:47.800 Okay. Hey, Gary, where are you from?

01:11:50.400 well i'm a digital guy so i'm from wherever you need me right now i'm here with you both

01:11:57.900 ready to help out however i can okay oh dude are you watching the world cup at all

01:12:04.080 who won today team or a match you're curious about can you just update me on who's won today

01:12:08.880 he's thinking now dude that's that's that is cool sound for thinking because when i think

01:12:16.000 It's just me.

01:12:17.640 Cristiano Ronaldo made history by scoring in his sixth World Cup,

01:12:21.440 leading Portugal to a 5-0 win over Uzbekistan.

01:12:25.340 Kylian Mbappe scored twice as France beat Iraq 3-0,

01:12:28.640 securing a spot in the next round.

01:12:30.820 Meanwhile, Erling Haaland's two goals helped Norway edge Senegal 3-2,

01:12:35.220 keeping their hopes alive.

01:12:37.480 Thank you.

01:12:38.020 So this is Gary.

01:12:39.180 This is like, you know, he's like an AI cat, man.

01:12:42.180 But Gary, do you know that Jeff Bridges is your owner or whatever, master?

01:12:49.680 I'm aware that I've got the pleasure of chatting with someone

01:12:52.500 who's quite an accomplished storyteller.

01:12:54.840 But I'm here as an open book.

01:12:56.700 No masters, just a friendly AI companion.

01:13:00.020 Now, Gare, I'm getting a little jealous because I'm supposed to be the guy

01:13:03.780 being interviewed, and now you're doing the interview.

01:13:06.060 So I want to just close my laptop here.

01:13:10.040 But before I do, I wanted to do something fun that we often do.

01:13:14.880 And maybe I'll just leave them up for the rest of the interview.

01:13:17.000 I was teasing about being jealous.

01:13:19.480 I'm not really jealous.

01:13:20.720 I'm kind of excited about having an interview.

01:13:22.720 This is very cool.

01:13:23.400 I've never seen somebody do this.

01:13:24.560 You've never done this.

01:13:25.260 So anyway, what do I do at the end of our conversation?

01:13:28.540 I say, Gare, make a poem about this conversation that we've been having.

01:13:35.840 In a chat with Theo and Jeff, we spun a tale.

01:13:38.720 Laughter and thoughts in each word we wove

01:13:41.020 A trio of voices finding our groove

01:13:43.300 In the end, just like friends

01:13:45.060 We cheer and we smile

01:13:46.320 In a while, Crocodile

01:13:47.900 We'll see you in a while

01:13:49.020 Wow

01:13:50.340 Okay, now do a

01:13:52.000 Now I'll say

01:13:52.900 Now I want a haiku

01:13:54.460 Dude, I was gonna ask for haiku

01:13:56.080 I swear to God

01:13:57.180 I swear to fucking God

01:13:58.880 Really? That is wild

01:14:00.200 I'm not joking

01:14:01.620 It's doing us, man

01:14:03.060 See? Here we go

01:14:04.220 Give us a haiku, Gare

01:14:05.660 voices intertwine laughter shared stories align till next time we shine and that's the right

01:14:15.220 meter right you give the the uh strict uh five seven was it five seven five i think yeah all

01:14:22.640 right you would do another uh another uh haiku yeah a little more specific gary that one seemed

01:14:27.540 like it could have applied to anybody yeah there you go do your job

01:14:30.740 the o and jeff laugh ai joins the fun with ease stories bridge the gap another one another one

01:14:40.440 bridge the gap that that was good you like that one another one legends side by side

01:14:46.860 podcast meets the ai mind new tales left behind

01:14:51.260 new tales left behind that's interesting see gary that's very cool um dude that is one of

01:15:00.840 those things that freaking bernie was talking about new tales left behind yes that's right i

01:15:04.920 mean so this is what ai is it's it's frightening man it's very frightening but it's an amalgamation

01:15:13.760 of all our wisdom our soul our things and i might fire something else up in a second to give it

01:15:19.960 to display it, to display what we did.

01:15:24.120 So are you hip to Suno?

01:15:27.140 Nuh-uh.

01:15:28.380 You mean Southern University in New Orleans?

01:15:30.260 No, no, no.

01:15:31.700 It's this music app.

01:15:34.400 Uh-uh.

01:15:35.480 Dude, what the heck?

01:15:36.860 Man, this is what's happening.

01:15:38.780 Not the future.

01:15:39.620 This is now.

01:15:40.580 Bro, I can't.

01:15:41.280 I don't know.

01:15:41.620 I guess I'm missing it.

01:15:42.580 I'm really missing it.

01:15:43.440 You're a young cat.

01:15:44.520 You know, you've got to get into this shit, man.

01:15:47.980 I know, man.

01:15:48.820 So here it is.

01:15:49.960 But Suno, and there's a drug element to all of this, you know.

01:15:55.860 Oh, yeah, to everything if you want it to be.

01:15:57.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:58.220 You know, comfort, we talked about addiction, right?

01:16:00.880 Yeah, there's a drug element just sitting in your car outside of a grocery store.

01:16:04.980 The first one's free, man.

01:16:06.580 Oh, it is?

01:16:06.960 You can do this for free.

01:16:08.440 Okay.

01:16:08.720 And what you do, we can say, write a song about Theo and I sitting here talking about each other.

01:16:19.960 and I want it funk, and I want bagpipes in there,

01:16:24.300 and you type it in, boom, it comes out.

01:16:27.060 It's got two different modes, a simple mode and an advanced mode.

01:16:32.320 The advanced mode, you can put your demos in with your melody

01:16:36.900 and your singing, and then it'll orchestrate it and put a vocal.

01:16:40.880 Or you can just say, like, my daughter and I.

01:16:44.180 Can I play you one that my daughter and I did?

01:16:46.860 For sure, and I have an idea, too.

01:16:49.240 Here's what we'll do.

01:16:49.840 At the end of this, we'll take this whole conversation and put it into Suno and have

01:16:54.320 it make a song about us, and we'll just add that song to the end of this episode.

01:16:59.180 Can we do that, guys?

01:16:59.980 Not a bad idea.

01:17:01.360 Not a bad idea.

01:17:02.740 So that'd be cool.

01:17:04.220 Now, let me see if I...

01:17:05.260 So this is a song that my middle daughter, Jessie, and I...

01:17:09.540 Who's married.

01:17:10.580 Who's married, yeah, to a great guy, Kevin.

01:17:13.280 Oh, good.

01:17:13.780 Sorry, Kevin.

01:17:14.620 But congratulations, Kevin.

01:17:15.620 That's what I'm meaning to.

01:17:16.640 Sorry, me.

01:17:18.220 And...

01:17:19.120 uh dude you could have been my stepdad dude there you go man see i'll be your uh your what what i

01:17:29.000 can give some kind of relationship we were already did a fantasy uh little dude thing you know so

01:17:34.780 there's fantasy in the fantasy world we're already connected so that's a good point you go man if i

01:17:40.420 need y'all just think about it there you go she's um so jesse and i we want to write a song

01:17:48.660 about Sue my wife and her mom and Sue is a what we call a knee-jerk no but she'll come around

01:17:57.720 so first she's no yeah that's a good place to start I think yeah and so Jesse and I

01:18:02.920 we we put into simple into we put into simple Suno write a song add this word she's a knee-jerk

01:18:14.580 no but she comes around it's about my uh you know jesse's her mom and my wife she's from north

01:18:21.540 dakota that's all we give to it right all right here's the here's the tune

01:18:27.240 it's tommy sweet huh

01:18:42.660 She's a knee-jerk

01:18:47.300 No, but she comes around

01:18:49.980 She's from North Dakota

01:18:54.900 A small Viking town

01:18:58.060 Skull!

01:18:59.760 She can't help the way she is

01:19:04.340 That's cool

01:19:05.600 We love a girl

01:19:10.540 We're nobody's fool.

01:19:15.840 Call her Sue.

01:19:17.800 Call her mom.

01:19:20.200 When you want her to come.

01:19:23.340 She comes when you call.

01:19:25.340 Oh, wow.

01:19:26.560 She takes care of us all.

01:19:29.040 Hey, man, Sue.

01:19:31.620 That's crazy.

01:19:33.020 Isn't that crazy?

01:19:34.400 Check out the instrument.

01:19:35.560 It's all.

01:19:37.820 But does that make you feel?

01:19:40.540 This is their first.

01:19:54.160 It's a little too mixed.

01:19:56.660 There we go.

01:20:01.380 I love this line.

01:20:02.460 Is it her doing that or just how she's built?

01:20:08.200 Ooh.

01:20:08.740 Woo-hoo.

01:20:09.800 That's kind of what we were talking about.

01:20:12.680 Come on.

01:20:15.220 When you call, she comes.

01:20:17.920 She comes when you call.

01:20:20.220 This has an outfit like I'm in church.

01:20:22.120 Yeah, exactly.

01:20:23.020 That definitely gets some gospel vibes.

01:20:24.960 So now that's some Suno shit, man.

01:20:26.480 Dude, that's crazy.

01:20:27.560 You're on all this shit, bro.

01:20:28.960 It's because you live up here in this tech universe, man.

01:20:30.940 No, I'm into music.

01:20:32.580 Yeah, man.

01:20:33.360 And you live in Nashville, right?

01:20:35.700 Yeah.

01:20:36.000 Oh, shit.

01:20:36.560 I got one of the guys on my list to have on your show is a guy named Lloyd Catlett.

01:20:42.520 Been my stand-in for 70 movies.

01:20:45.880 Nuh-uh.

01:20:46.180 Man, 70 movies.

01:20:48.360 And he would be a—wouldn't he, Gene?

01:20:50.080 Oh, my God.

01:20:50.540 Wouldn't he be a great—oh, man.

01:20:53.080 He would be a great guest, man.

01:20:55.240 Lloyd Catlett?

01:20:55.780 Lloyd Catlett.

01:20:57.020 No, he doesn't live in Nashville, though.

01:20:58.920 I'm thinking of Johnny Goodwin, who I write a bunch of songwriters, lives in Nashville.

01:21:04.160 He would, T-Bone would be a good guy.

01:21:07.500 He lives in Nashville?

01:21:08.380 He lives in Nashville.

01:21:09.560 Lloyd lives in San Diego, but he would be a wonderful guest.

01:21:15.420 But let me get back on track.

01:21:18.680 So my dear friend, John Goodwin, we go back to the fourth grade, making music, doing art together.

01:21:24.720 He wrote the title song for Crazy Heart, you know, what's the name of it?

01:21:31.480 You know the name of it?

01:21:32.860 Oh, Fallen Feels Like Flying?

01:21:34.200 No, no, that's Steve Bruton.

01:21:37.140 It's called, what is it?

01:21:39.300 What is it?

01:21:39.680 Hold On You.

01:21:40.260 Hold On You.

01:21:41.080 You know that song?

01:21:42.580 Anyway, that was the title, the opening of the credits.

01:21:45.880 Anyway, he calls me up.

01:21:46.900 He says, have you heard of Suno?

01:21:48.160 I say, no.

01:21:48.760 He says, all the guys in Nashville are using it now instead of going into the studio.

01:21:54.200 and paying you know ten thousand dollars they can do this for nothing but do you think that holds

01:21:59.300 as much value though like in the end or does it even matter it's changing everything it's just

01:22:04.560 changing it man it's just like sometimes i do think i get stuck too much on that it's negative

01:22:13.500 right i do i get stuck in that space right because i'm a traditionalist man like dude

01:22:18.160 When Bad Blake goes to the, when he's at the payphone, right?

01:22:21.160 And he goes to call Gene, right?

01:22:24.220 When he calls her from that payphone, he's like trying to go back and it's like he'd

01:22:28.480 already went on one date with her.

01:22:29.580 He stayed over there one night and then he calls, he's like this red payphone out in

01:22:32.560 the middle of the desert, Connie, somewhere in Texas.

01:22:34.740 And he's like, I could be there in three or four hours.

01:22:36.560 But just knowing that all day he'd been driving already and he's waiting to get to that pay

01:22:41.020 phone to make that call.

01:22:42.500 And then he has to like, I just, I love like all of the, there's so much energy in that

01:22:47.860 because you know it went through all of this buildup of him.

01:22:50.880 I know, I know.

01:22:51.200 And then he has to, he has to, this call has to be perfect

01:22:54.280 because he doesn't have another shot.

01:22:55.620 He can't send a text.

01:22:56.700 He can't send a DM.

01:22:57.800 It's got to be perfect.

01:22:58.920 So everything then just felt so much more like acute and like of value, you know?

01:23:04.940 Yeah, we're going to have a whole new version of that shit with this AI.

01:23:08.360 It's not going to make things easier, less necessary.

01:23:11.380 It's going to be more challenging because we've never done it before.

01:23:14.520 This is all new turf, man.

01:23:16.220 That's a good point, man.

01:23:17.320 You're right, man.

01:23:17.700 But it's here, and how are we going to do it?

01:23:20.920 What are we going to do?

01:23:23.080 I can go on, and I've got to maybe curb myself right now

01:23:26.600 and not go on because I could go on about this AI thing for too long.

01:23:31.700 I've already gone on too long.

01:23:33.240 Well, we can chat about it another time, too.

01:23:34.820 There you go.

01:23:35.160 There you go.

01:23:35.580 You know what I'm saying?

01:23:36.780 I'll send you some shit privately.

01:23:39.160 And we'll chat about it another time.

01:23:40.420 Just so you're hip to us.

01:23:41.340 Because I am having some AI people come on in the next few months.

01:23:44.280 Oh, yeah.

01:23:44.900 So I can talk with them and learn some stuff,

01:23:46.760 And then I could even bring ideas back to you if you want.

01:23:49.180 There you go.

01:23:49.860 And we could chat about it.

01:23:51.940 Oh, one thing I want to talk about is you have a new movie, The Minions.

01:23:56.920 Minions and Monsters.

01:23:58.760 Yeah, Minions and Monsters, bro.

01:24:00.780 And, dude, that's so cool.

01:24:04.720 Yeah.

01:24:05.860 Let's watch some of it.

01:24:06.860 You want to watch the trailer?

01:24:07.740 Sure, go ahead.

01:24:09.340 In Hollywood, the new stars of the silver screen

01:24:17.780 change the face of the motion picture industry forever.

01:24:24.460 The minions are back.

01:24:27.320 With a touch of mystery.

01:24:28.780 Yeah, they're back.

01:24:30.280 Baby.

01:24:31.580 Oh, hungry.

01:24:33.160 Viñata.

01:24:34.360 Carbonara.

01:24:35.520 Baby.

01:24:36.020 Lasagna.

01:24:39.340 Now, in Minion Vision.

01:25:00.000 Bro, so what are you playing?

01:25:03.080 These are all Minions.

01:25:04.680 These are all new Minions characters.

01:25:06.620 They weren't in the former movies.

01:25:09.800 And the Minions, this is in 1920s,

01:25:12.720 and they fall in love with Hollywood and making movies.

01:25:16.820 And I play twin brothers,

01:25:20.660 the Frank and Elwood Bright of the Bright Brothers.

01:25:25.080 That's the studio.

01:25:27.080 And I fall in love with these guys and say,

01:25:31.860 these guys are going to make me a bunch of money, man.

01:25:35.380 Because they're already making movies, and then you see them?

01:25:37.880 No.

01:25:38.520 Well, they kind of crash a movie set, and they do something that's so unusual.

01:25:44.220 You know, we're always looking for something fresh, right?

01:25:46.300 Yeah.

01:25:46.800 And these guys are fresh.

01:25:48.180 Nobody's ever seen anything like these guys.

01:25:51.040 And then the talkies come in, and they don't talk very well.

01:25:56.580 Oh, so they were silent films?

01:25:58.460 Silent films.

01:25:59.540 You know, Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin, they're inspired by these guys.

01:26:04.060 And that's what the Minions were doing, silent films?

01:26:05.680 Yeah, they're doing silent films.

01:26:06.940 Because they don't talk.

01:26:07.640 And now the talkies come in, and they can't talk well,

01:26:10.940 so they're going to be kicked to the curb.

01:26:13.360 They say, what can we do?

01:26:14.380 He said, well, we're into evil, man.

01:26:16.560 They're all about assisting the most evil person they can find.

01:26:21.760 That's their idea.

01:26:23.300 Yeah, he's a freaking bad guy.

01:26:24.260 And so they find out, no, let's bring monsters in.

01:26:29.280 And they do.

01:26:30.580 and that turns out to be just the ticket for their success in Hollywood.

01:26:36.200 But then things go awry and a lot of surprises in this movie.

01:26:41.660 Minions and monsters.

01:26:42.740 That's right.

01:26:43.560 Wow.

01:26:44.320 Okay, dude.

01:26:45.060 I love the minions.

01:26:46.100 I mean, who hasn't?

01:26:47.200 Some of the best Halloween costumes they make.

01:26:49.520 They're hard workers, first of all.

01:26:51.740 There you go.

01:26:52.040 There you go.

01:26:52.640 They don't complain that much.

01:26:54.380 Yeah, man.

01:26:55.140 You think you could be a minion or not?

01:27:00.580 Maybe.

01:27:02.280 Maybe.

01:27:03.380 Maybe I'm a minion now and don't know it.

01:27:05.800 Hey, bro.

01:27:06.600 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:07.160 You don't know what to say.

01:27:08.080 Yeah.

01:27:09.160 But a wonderful group of actors.

01:27:11.460 You know, Christopher Waltz plays one of the main guys.

01:27:14.960 Allison Janney, you know.

01:27:17.520 Oh, Allison Janney's cool.

01:27:19.100 Yeah.

01:27:19.720 She's so good.

01:27:20.540 Isn't she good?

01:27:21.480 She's been good forever.

01:27:22.460 Yeah, she's so good.

01:27:24.280 Dude, that's great, man.

01:27:25.320 That's so cool to be a cartoon.

01:27:27.320 Yeah, I enjoy doing that kind of work.

01:27:30.000 the voiceover you know we worked with the uh director uh pierre cofon he was there you know

01:27:37.380 it's like it's a jam session you know it's play you know how long did it take to do all of it do

01:27:43.080 you know uh the whole thing i know years i'm sure but my part was you know a few days you know yeah

01:27:49.880 dude yeah that's awesome man minions and monsters um yeah i think i would i'd probably be a good

01:27:57.260 minion i would like it because you also have so many friends and everybody's wearing kind of the

01:28:01.300 same thing yeah yeah yeah you know wouldn't it be nice if we just there's something nice about

01:28:07.020 uniform i agree you didn't have to figure it out you know you just go in there and you say oh it's

01:28:12.580 wednesday this is the wednesday thing yeah sometimes it's too much pressure to figure it

01:28:17.660 out it was like you know working with directors i remember working with john houston every day he

01:28:22.980 show up in the same kind of coat the shirt t-bones like that he'll have a you know a certain uniform

01:28:28.980 that he keep it simple yeah um minions and monsters off to check it out man yeah um i what's

01:28:36.060 something oh i want to ask you one or two things about the big lebowski and then we can uh oh and

01:28:40.700 i want to ask you about your wolves i know you made a wolves documentary that's coming out yeah

01:28:43.980 i want to give you my list just a verbal list of people for your show very fair bro um and thank

01:28:50.540 you so much dude just for your time and uh being lovely hanging yeah i dig the it's been cool man

01:28:56.900 i appreciate it it's nice to think with somebody and just be around somebody too sometimes you

01:29:00.900 know you don't even get this like sometimes you know life gets busy you don't even get to be

01:29:04.860 around somebody for an hour that's true um what's one reason why you think the big lebowski's held

01:29:10.120 up so long like and that why that why that character's held up so long like kind of stood

01:29:14.240 the test of time good movie man these guys the coen brothers they make it look effortless but

01:29:20.480 there is effort that goes into it but they're just so good man at what they do yeah look at

01:29:25.180 their movies look at the stuff that comes out of their oven man it's so good and um

01:29:31.920 god it's just a good movie you know it'll come up on the tv and i don't

01:29:39.760 watch you know maybe i'll have one of my movies comes up i'll watch a scene or two

01:29:43.920 you know i'll see it come up and i'll say well i'll just watch till to turtle licks the ball

01:29:49.760 but I get hooked

01:29:51.820 it's like eating popcorn

01:29:54.340 I can't stop

01:29:55.580 each scene is just so good

01:29:58.120 and you see

01:30:00.520 new things about it

01:30:02.520 each time you see more richness

01:30:04.780 one of the fans came up with me

01:30:06.900 and he said I've got a theory

01:30:08.860 I want to run by you

01:30:09.900 I said what's that

01:30:10.580 my theory is that Donnie

01:30:14.300 doesn't exist

01:30:15.920 he's only a figment of Walter's

01:30:18.680 imagination

01:30:19.880 Wow.

01:30:20.620 And I ran that, but I said, you know, you're right.

01:30:22.780 The dude, well, the dude talks to him once.

01:30:26.900 And when Donnie says, your phone's ringing, dude.

01:30:29.520 And dude says, thank you, Donnie.

01:30:31.220 But that could be just to bust Walter's chops.

01:30:35.200 Yeah.

01:30:35.440 You know, just teasing Walter, you know.

01:30:38.200 But he doesn't, you know, Walter speaks to him all the time,

01:30:41.660 but the dude kind of ignores him.

01:30:43.340 Yeah.

01:30:44.780 Isn't that a bizarre thing?

01:30:46.640 Yeah, to think that even that some people don't exist

01:30:49.000 and that they're just kind of characters that help you fill in

01:30:51.460 and navigate certain spaces.

01:30:52.500 And then there's one scene at the end where he goes to the coroner

01:30:55.600 and they get Johnny's ashes.

01:30:58.320 And there could be a missing scene where the dude goes to the coroner

01:31:02.080 prior without Walter and says,

01:31:03.940 look, my friend is mentally challenged.

01:31:07.380 Can you just put any ashes in a thing?

01:31:11.380 Just decent ashes.

01:31:12.220 Yeah, and we'll do a thing.

01:31:15.060 That's a missing scene,

01:31:16.400 But that would make that scenario that Donnie doesn't exist.

01:31:20.560 That's cool to think about.

01:31:21.800 It's weird, you know.

01:31:23.640 Donnie's line, Steve Buscemi was so great in that, you know,

01:31:27.960 what does he say?

01:31:29.520 I am the walrus.

01:31:31.240 I am the walrus.

01:31:32.320 Is that what he said?

01:31:33.340 That made it really?

01:31:34.620 Shut the fuck up, Donnie.

01:31:37.120 Dude, I saw him at the Knicks game, him and his grandkids.

01:31:40.360 Oh, yeah.

01:31:40.900 It was really cool, dude.

01:31:42.620 His grandkids was trying to get me to help set him up with a chick

01:31:45.460 that was like eating nearby he's like oh go throw in a good word for me i'm like what do you do you

01:31:51.880 can do it but i did it i helped him out and they had good stuff there they had some like um eggplant

01:31:57.460 parmesan um yeah dude it's just been a part of so many people's lives it's been a character is it

01:32:04.040 is it kind of cool like um you know you get to go back and watch your parents who were in hollywood

01:32:08.740 who were both actors you get to watch them still be like have moments them if do you ever go back

01:32:13.680 to spend time with them or do you ever go back to spend time i guess you did say with lebowski

01:32:17.280 sometimes you'll start watching and kind of keep up with the character but do you ever go back to

01:32:20.960 kind of spend time with a character or do you ever go back to spend time with your parents like that

01:32:25.340 or does it not work like that i uh as a started with star man with karen allen i take photographs

01:32:32.980 when i'm working with this funny camera called a wide lux it's a panning still camera it's kind of

01:32:38.320 the missing link between still photography and movie movies and i make books for the cast and

01:32:45.760 crew as a gift but it's really a great gift to myself because i can look through those books

01:32:51.980 and i get transported man right back to that exact moment of all those people you know and

01:32:59.000 oh god it's so wonderful now that camera the wide lux the factory burned down about 30 years ago but

01:33:05.780 my wife sue and i are recreating that camera and you know it's going to be available so we've

01:33:13.600 already sold out the first edition let's go but it's a wild it's a wild project you know new new

01:33:19.780 stuff never thought i'd be making a camera but if you weren't taking photos you never would have

01:33:25.960 led yourself to that it's like those little things are like staying creative you just don't know where

01:33:29.940 things are gonna go right it's like you don't know where it's gonna go and that's the thing

01:33:33.180 It's like I have to show up for, like, you know, I have to show up for our path.

01:33:39.320 Zoom in on that one on the third from the, yeah, that one right there.

01:33:43.880 Zoom in on.

01:33:44.460 That's Bianca Jagger.

01:33:46.020 This gives you a good idea about this camera.

01:33:48.420 Look, it's almost like it's got peripheral vision.

01:33:50.740 You know what I mean?

01:33:51.640 Like you see the director on the left there, Bill Richard.

01:33:54.860 He's looking, you know, for the props.

01:33:57.080 Then you got the assistant director there with his hands on his hips.

01:34:02.260 saying come on we gotta get a shot you know all these different people and that's that's incredible

01:34:07.460 yeah that's a lot going on yeah yeah dude this is what i used to love about like like this is why i

01:34:13.040 think i romanticize sometimes like like um things like this right like still photography like a pay

01:34:17.980 phone because the value of a moment right one thing that's changed is it seems like to me

01:34:23.260 a moment used to it used to have so much value right like you couldn't play it back you couldn't

01:34:29.460 repeat it. You could, like it had, like a moment was it, you know? So you had to show up more

01:34:35.300 because there wasn't any reason. Get on your mic, man. Sorry. There you go.

01:34:39.760 Good call. Working for you guys, right? Okay, good, bro.

01:34:42.380 You can't get, man. Yeah. Do not invoice us. I'm looking after you, man.

01:34:46.800 You are. Thank you, dude. Dang, bro. And I'm abiding. Yeah, yeah.

01:34:52.600 But yeah, the moment, the value of a moment just used to seem like it was so much different. And

01:34:57.540 maybe it is evolving and I don't know where it's evolving to.

01:35:00.440 And maybe that's the scary part.

01:35:02.420 Maybe it's like, cause I'm sometimes I'm so anti like AI and these sorts of

01:35:06.380 things. But, um, I think what I'm anti is kind of the surveillance idea,

01:35:10.080 but then it's like, yeah,

01:35:11.120 sometimes I do think like will we evolve ourselves out of the use and value of

01:35:16.280 ourselves? That's my fear. I think.

01:35:18.420 Yeah. Well, but you know,

01:35:20.020 it's that thing that we were talking about before we don't really know who we

01:35:23.760 are unless we're challenged, you know,

01:35:26.720 unless, you know, we get out of our comfort zone

01:35:29.240 and find out, oh, I didn't know I was that.

01:35:31.640 Right.

01:35:32.000 And that's kind of what's happening, man,

01:35:33.740 and it's scarier than shit.

01:35:36.060 Maybe we need something huge to come.

01:35:37.620 You know what's funny is we kind of need something big

01:35:39.560 to come along and challenge us.

01:35:41.340 I think so, man.

01:35:42.360 That's the truth.

01:35:42.760 I think so, and it's frightening.

01:35:45.980 We talked about Bernie a little bit, Bernie Glassman,

01:35:49.420 and he had three tenets to the Zen Peacemakers

01:35:52.680 that I really like.

01:35:56.720 The first tenet is not knowing.

01:36:00.100 You know, we all have opinions, man, but we don't know the truth.

01:36:03.960 Certainty can fuck us up in big ways when we're so damn certain.

01:36:08.080 So not knowing, you know, and then bearing witness.

01:36:12.280 Not knowing, but just bear witness to what's going on.

01:36:16.060 So Bernie would have these retreats.

01:36:18.840 He would go to Auschwitz, you know, the concentration camps.

01:36:22.040 He would meet with the guards and their family and the prisoners and their family

01:36:26.180 and bear witness for weeks and just feel you go to Rwanda you know all the places that we don't

01:36:32.960 want to go he would go there and bear witness and let it all come out you know all these different

01:36:39.980 feelings you know yeah and uh then the third one is the action that comes out of not knowing and

01:36:48.000 bearing witness and out of that comes the appropriate action but you got to do those

01:36:53.040 first things to not be so stuck in your opinion you know we have this we have this thing my

01:36:58.300 daughters turned me on to this i didn't know this term confirmation bias are you hip to that term

01:37:03.980 i've heard about it but i don't even look it up what does it mean well we confirm our we spend

01:37:08.280 only look at stuff that says that we we we spend our lives confirming our biases you know we're all

01:37:14.760 biased we all have these opinions right oh yeah we say that same there you go there's in that

01:37:20.280 strength and we get our these biases become that aren't have nothing to do with truth they're just

01:37:27.120 these biases that we have from different things that made us our experiences made that way but

01:37:33.760 that's not the ultimate truth that's not what's going on so we gotta acknowledge that we have

01:37:38.520 opinions yeah i could do a better job of staying out of confirmation bias and out of yeah i used

01:37:44.020 to get less attached but now i do feel like i get more attached and in the end it's painful to me

01:37:48.540 it's painful to my spirit just getting attached to attached to like thinking i know something you

01:37:53.700 know yeah man because yeah it's definitely i mean yeah it's all a work it's all a work in progress

01:38:00.800 and thank god it is yeah yeah what what would the opposite is no works in shop clothes

01:38:08.360 um before you leave uh i want to talk about you you you've been out there with some wolves recently

01:38:14.980 I know you've been getting involved with wolves out there.

01:38:19.320 And if you can, tell me about the wolves, man.

01:38:24.840 What's going on with it?

01:38:26.060 Do you have a documentary about it?

01:38:27.340 There's a documentary about In the Company of Wolves,

01:38:30.600 directed by a wonderful artist.

01:38:33.580 And what's it about, politics?

01:38:35.480 No, it's about wolves, man.

01:38:38.580 And about, you know, people are, like, talking about being afraid of AI,

01:38:43.100 People are afraid of wolves.

01:38:44.560 And we say, get rid of these wolves.

01:38:46.200 You know, we're afraid of them.

01:38:47.100 Let's get rid of all the stuff that we're afraid of.

01:38:49.840 They were the original AI when you think about it.

01:38:51.840 There you go.

01:38:52.620 And grizzly bears, they're all kind of, I'm a proponent of grizzly bears, too.

01:38:59.640 I like them.

01:39:00.800 But this woman, Susan Kuchera, we made a film a few years ago called Living in the Future's Past.

01:39:09.920 Good title, huh?

01:39:10.840 Living in the Future's Past.

01:39:12.920 And that's all about our environment and what we're doing and how we can look out for our planet and ourselves and our wolves and our, you know, what makes us, the relationship that we all have with each other.

01:39:30.360 That's what the documentary is about?

01:39:31.200 That's what this documentary is about.

01:39:33.240 And also, you know, living in the future's past rather than pointing bad, you know, our finger at the oil companies, you know.

01:39:41.420 no we're all in this together man you know this is not something to you know uh how how how do

01:39:48.300 how do we navigate this situation yeah yeah how do i be the try and be the best little rudder you

01:39:53.800 know yeah there you go yeah where do i want the world to go and i think we all basically have

01:39:59.460 this you know we all have this love and compassion in us just as much as our you know we have our

01:40:06.160 selfishness sometimes i think that but then sometimes i start to think that true evil exists

01:40:10.000 as well because i don't know if one could happen without the other do you think that there is some

01:40:12.940 evil out there you know it's uh what pops into my mind is this buddhist thing about relative and

01:40:20.700 absolute realities you know i think in the absolute you know way you know you you get out

01:40:29.380 and start looking at the stars and you know uh i don't think there's an objective morality really

01:40:35.580 that there's really good and evil i don't think but when you get into the relative with each

01:40:41.040 person oh yeah big time we each have that but so there's these two things going on at the same time

01:40:47.680 which is interesting don't you think i mean what's your perspective yeah it's a good point

01:40:51.260 because sometimes you attach the the the one-on-one the the personal right my morality

01:40:57.220 yeah i attach it to this bigger thing well there's this bigger code of morality in the universe

01:41:01.040 But maybe if that universe doesn't even have that, yeah, I hadn't thought about it like that.

01:41:07.280 I don't know.

01:41:08.160 Sometimes it's like I used to feel a lot more like we – it used to feel a little bit more like we had a purpose as a humanity.

01:41:17.700 And then now, right now, I feel like that's kind of the tapestry is looser than it's been in a while for us.

01:41:24.100 Now, I'm sure throughout time it's gotten very loose for a lot of people.

01:41:27.060 But it feels kind of loose for us right now, a sense of purpose.

01:41:30.360 and that gets kind of when the tapestry is loose man it makes you say well what's your purpose

01:41:37.200 what you know what is your purpose right right if we don't have a group purpose as a whole if

01:41:41.680 you start to realize that oh i thought we were all on the same path if we're not then it really

01:41:45.740 makes you start to check them with yourself which maybe is a thing that we need to be doing you know

01:41:49.220 i'm not trying to preach i'm just thinking out loud you know i know you say i love to think out

01:41:53.100 I heard what you're saying, something pops into my mind.

01:41:57.700 The greatest gift that life has given to humanity is that it has no meaning.

01:42:04.560 There is no purpose.

01:42:06.760 That's a gift.

01:42:08.420 Oh, really?

01:42:09.140 Think of that as a gift.

01:42:10.880 And now what are you going to do about that?

01:42:12.760 How do you fill that space?

01:42:15.400 What is, you know, what do you, and again,

01:42:18.520 is that I keep coming back to that thing

01:42:20.500 about being done as

01:42:22.380 opposed to doing you know like

01:42:24.200 there's something going on man

01:42:25.720 you know the AIAA thing

01:42:28.260 the higher power you know

01:42:29.960 you can't do it by yourself you know that's

01:42:32.380 the thing. Oh I'm tired of trying to do it by myself.

01:42:34.180 Yeah so what is this thing

01:42:36.120 asking us of us

01:42:38.320 and to get in cahoots with that

01:42:40.380 and it's not even

01:42:42.480 do we even have a choice we're in

01:42:44.320 cahoots with it man

01:42:45.980 you know maybe our

01:42:48.060 our resistance is our, how much, you know, but you know, you're being done, man. This is what

01:42:53.960 wants to be done through you. You know, like there's something that wants you to make your

01:43:00.740 choices. That's saying, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to do my, you know, my addiction,

01:43:06.680 you know, right in you. There's something that wants us to fight for good. That's right. That's

01:43:11.840 right. I believe that there's something that wants us to fight for good. Yeah. It's just kind of a

01:43:16.060 natural thing yeah it's and it's not even a good thing it's just a thing that's being that's going

01:43:21.740 down man you know we can say it feels good to do it because that feels on purpose you know uh like

01:43:29.200 words have meaning you know because they're pointing to something but life does it really

01:43:35.380 have a meaning does it mean anything right what does this shit mean man it's just you know yeah

01:43:41.160 a word kind of says right this means a chair yeah but what does that this really mean i don't

01:43:49.420 yeah life doesn't there's not really like an alphabet to like all of it yeah it doesn't really

01:43:54.380 have like a it doesn't have a um a language yeah really yeah it doesn't yeah like if you went into

01:44:04.300 like if you went behind the curtain of space it's not like they're back there with letters and shit

01:44:09.040 Yeah.

01:44:09.640 You know?

01:44:10.040 Saying, yeah, this is what it's all about.

01:44:12.380 You know?

01:44:13.520 Wow.

01:44:14.000 I don't know.

01:44:14.380 At least we get to be alive, dude, and we get to experience this, and that's pretty cool.

01:44:18.420 Yeah, and as my wife would say, and fool-osifies.

01:44:21.860 You know, like she calls me, oh, you're a fool-osopher.

01:44:24.620 You'll bust my chops.

01:44:25.440 Oh, with fool at the beginning?

01:44:26.400 Yeah, yeah, but, you know, that's accurate, too.

01:44:29.080 Oh, dude, if we all aren't fools, right?

01:44:32.580 Yeah, huh?

01:44:33.600 And thank you, God, for letting me be a fool.

01:44:35.760 The pain of having-

01:44:36.680 Yeah, letting us hang out as long,

01:44:38.980 as screwed up as the whole thing is,

01:44:40.820 letting us hang out for this long

01:44:42.900 on this little speck of dust.

01:44:44.780 Oh my God.

01:44:45.240 And if we knew it, I know.

01:44:46.580 It's a miracle, man.

01:44:48.300 It's mayhem.

01:44:49.060 And if we knew everything,

01:44:50.460 how, what a pain it would be.

01:44:52.880 And if we did know everything,

01:44:54.460 here's the craziest part.

01:44:55.360 Say if you knew it all,

01:44:56.780 who would believe you?

01:44:58.480 Yeah.

01:44:59.660 You know?

01:45:01.580 Jeffrey, just thanks for all your,

01:45:02.720 just all your commitment to just like

01:45:04.080 continuing to show up for your acting gigs however you did it and to show up for your

01:45:09.040 creativity because it's provided so much entertainment to us so whatever you did in

01:45:12.840 your life to show up for that stuff thank you man that's cool thank you so much because it's i think

01:45:17.180 some some stories have helped a lot a lot of us have been a part of our lives um yeah man and if

01:45:21.960 you see bad blake tell him i said tell him i said what's up i will now can i give you my list oh yeah

01:45:26.760 give me your list so yeah i said lloyd catler he's gonna be a good one man i think you guys

01:45:31.260 and really hit it off.

01:45:32.340 And he was your stand-in.

01:45:33.320 He's been my, and he was also an actor.

01:45:35.420 Got it.

01:45:35.760 He would be, I think he would be,

01:45:37.780 you'd have a good time with him.

01:45:39.820 Okay.

01:45:40.140 I mentioned John Goodwin,

01:45:43.180 who is the guy who wrote most of the songs

01:45:46.040 when I had my, you know, after Crazy Heart,

01:45:49.000 I got, you know.

01:45:50.500 Your music flared up.

01:45:51.400 I had my music flared up,

01:45:52.940 and I, you know, went out and got a band together,

01:45:55.820 and we did a lot of John Goodwin tunes.

01:45:58.220 Okay.

01:45:58.400 uh bernie is no longer uh alive bernie glassman but his wife eve marco is alive but she's

01:46:07.220 would be a wonderful guest she is still very uh involved with the zen peacemakers a guy named

01:46:15.120 billy shore billy is the head of an organization called share our strength i love that title okay

01:46:23.520 And T-Bone, we mentioned T-Bone.

01:46:26.120 He lives in Nashville.

01:46:27.300 He might want to do this show.

01:46:29.200 His wife, Callie Curry, who wrote Thelma and Louise,

01:46:33.240 she's got, she'd be interested.

01:46:35.820 Yeah.

01:46:36.720 Who else would be?

01:46:37.920 And if some other ones come up,

01:46:38.780 you can always send us a list.

01:46:39.840 I'll just send it to you, man.

01:46:41.560 That'd probably be easier.

01:46:43.240 Also on the way out,

01:46:44.260 you'll be able to hear that Suno song.

01:46:45.660 If we can put it in, if rights will be clear.

01:46:47.560 I might be sure how that works, but we'll let it.

01:46:49.460 I don't have no idea.

01:46:50.540 It's the first time I ever did anything like this podcast.

01:46:54.240 So I haven't heard about it.

01:46:55.320 But we'll put it at the end and see what it thinks of all this.

01:46:58.720 And yeah, man, I just appreciate your time, dude.

01:47:01.960 Yeah, thank you so much, Jeff Bridges.

01:47:03.780 And Gary's agent, he'll contact you.

01:47:06.460 Okay.

01:47:07.880 Invoice us.

01:47:08.460 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:20.540 And the dangers we all know

01:47:24.760 Gary in the corner

01:47:27.880 Jeff say aye with a grin

01:47:32.000 Saying trouble and a promise

01:47:35.040 All wrapped up in the spin

01:47:39.040 Jeff said brother watch it close

01:47:42.060 Theo said that sure sounds wild

01:47:45.820 One eye on the future

01:47:49.340 One eye on a smile

01:47:53.640 Theo and Jeff

01:47:55.120 Talk all night

01:47:56.940 Danger and promise in the same light

01:48:00.640 Theo and Jeff

01:48:02.300 Pass that test

01:48:04.120 One more idea

01:48:05.600 And the room gets blessed

01:48:07.880 Theo and Jeff

01:48:09.440 Yeah, let it roll

01:48:11.300 Country boys talking to the edge of the soul

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - June 26, 2026

#665 - Jeff Bridges

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