This Past Weekend with Theo Von - November 06, 2026


#694 - Kings of Leon’s Caleb Followill

#693 - Consumer Advocate Lindsay Owens

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00:00:27.820 he's a musician and a songwriter he's a front man for the band kings of leon
00:00:35.140 who have a new album oh my beloved which comes out this friday november 6th
00:00:40.880 uh he's had a wild life and i'm thankful to sit down today with mr caleb fallowell
00:00:47.940 yeah it's just so bizarre i saw this freaking what was this thing i saw see if you can find
00:01:09.060 this trevin i saw them wash drone washing a pet there's like i guess a pet service now
00:01:14.180 pressure washing
00:01:16.000 via drone there you go
00:01:18.820 yeah Chinese company
00:01:20.840 uses solar cleaning drone
00:01:22.720 to wash dog
00:01:23.900 wow I mean I guess
00:01:26.720 I don't have a dog but I think it's kind of
00:01:28.900 hard to get them to get in the bath and stuff
00:01:30.800 right so you just sneak up
00:01:32.880 on them with this guy yeah I think
00:01:34.880 you just call them and they come by in the morning
00:01:36.740 or whatever when your dog's not expecting it I guess it
00:01:38.840 gives it we got a couple of cousins
00:01:41.000 that could use one of those things probably
00:01:42.740 Yeah. Amen, bro. That's the truth, dude. Um, Caleb Folliwell. Yes, sir. Nice. Nice to see you
00:01:50.640 today, man. Yeah, man. Nice to be here. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Thanks for catching up, dude.
00:01:54.460 We both ended up wearing this. I know, man. We, we felt it. It was a denim kind of day, right?
00:01:59.840 I think it was. I think just everything feels so denim right now. Like Ernest P. World. Yeah.
00:02:06.640 Yeah. I don't know if it's that time of year. I mean, it's definitely been a beautiful time
00:02:09.940 of year this is like one of the nicest times a year in nashville that i've ever seen with the
00:02:13.440 leaves you know yeah i love this time of year yeah like when the sun's hitting them just right
00:02:18.940 i feel like they pop and you get the yellows and the reds and it's pretty beautiful stuff
00:02:23.960 and you're from you're louisiana right yeah i'm from louisiana man and did you guys you you grew
00:02:29.400 up in oklahoma well kind of yeah i'm from born in memphis so um oh yeah the first few years we
00:02:38.060 lived in millington tennessee is that outside of memphis yep just outside home of al green and
00:02:44.340 justin timberlake up there nice nice combo there you go yeah we used to get dropped off over there
00:02:49.840 by howard johnson's over there in memphis yeah yeah there would be like a familial exchange or
00:02:55.460 something you know a lot of kids they said you know they meet up with some family member and
00:02:59.320 they drop them off in a parking lot and we'd always be at that hojo over there well yeah i
00:03:04.520 Grew up the first handful of years there, but our dad was an evangelist, so we traveled.
00:03:11.280 So we went back and forth, Oklahoma, but we spent a good deal in Louisiana, too.
00:03:17.200 And I just remember in Louisiana, my cousin's from Louisiana.
00:03:21.380 They're from Luling.
00:03:22.840 You know Luling?
00:03:23.940 Oh, yeah.
00:03:24.200 I think it's over by Hanville, maybe?
00:03:26.540 St. Charles Parish, yes.
00:03:28.180 On the West Bank.
00:03:28.800 And I just remember we'd be there, and then it would be like fall or winter.
00:03:34.520 and he'd always be bummed because the weather wouldn't really change.
00:03:38.820 I remember he woke me up one morning.
00:03:40.240 He's like, come outside, come outside.
00:03:41.960 We went outside, and there was just like a little bit of frost on the ground.
00:03:45.300 And he was like, let's go make a snowman.
00:03:47.420 Oh, yeah, dude.
00:03:48.420 Look, if you leave the freezer open for too long,
00:03:50.580 somebody will try to make a little Christmas scenario in there, you know.
00:03:54.200 You walk through the frozen food section,
00:03:56.200 you'll start playing Christmas carols on your phone.
00:03:58.020 Oh, yeah.
00:03:58.700 You know, it's just you're hoping for any moment of winter
00:04:02.620 because there's nothing like it's just you don't get any of it down there and dude yeah you get
00:04:06.880 down towards luling you'll have people have family members that are bait yeah you know it's like you
00:04:12.540 have like yeah man that was uh that was always like such a unique place to me because you know
00:04:18.440 america has like all these different depending on where you are you know people have different
00:04:22.860 accents and and different ways of life but louisiana is like a one of one really it's like
00:04:28.980 everyone you talk to and i got down with the lingo by the end of it but like
00:04:33.820 first time you've you know you arrive and people start talking you're just like i don't think i
00:04:40.280 know what it's not like a southern country accent it's like so different yeah oh yeah sometimes
00:04:46.000 people they don't even know the alphabet and they're just hoping for the best you know they're
00:04:52.200 just kind of verbally hoping you know what they're doing you know it's kind of it's a lot of pressure
00:04:57.040 on the listener it is yeah that's what we kind of say about louisiana that's the dialect down there
00:05:02.780 it is big pressure on the list yeah you got to lean in yeah yeah you got to be right there with
00:05:07.980 sometimes we have to hold people's hands while they're talking you know what i'm saying dude i've
00:05:12.160 had to rub somebody's back to help and get through a sentence you know what i'm saying you see a dude 0.97
00:05:16.780 hit a semicolon and he fucking his skeleton can't handle it you know but i mean it is just it is that 0.98
00:05:22.500 kind of place you know you'll be like oh caught my wife on a spinnerbait or whatever it's just 0.98
00:05:26.800 it's bizarre it really is bizarre dude and it's like and um sorry to get animated about it i guess
00:05:33.020 i don't think about it that much but it is a unique place man oh yeah first i didn't know i
00:05:37.700 didn't i don't think i had really much appreciation for it growing up but then as i got older and
00:05:42.200 traveled around i'm like oh damn there's something and it's soggy i mean you'll be talking to somebody
00:05:46.820 and they'll just be sinking right in front of you yeah man i used to go you have to lift them up
00:05:52.300 every now and then and set them like a foot over to get through the convo we used to go spend like
00:05:58.120 uh i would go spend summers in louisiana um as a kid you know it was my cousin he was my best
00:06:04.320 friend so we'd just go raise hell and um kind of run around and get chased by cops and stuff we
00:06:11.680 were little kids so we'd sneak out at night after our after his parents were asleep and we'd just
00:06:16.620 like go break into the swimming pool and like you know just dive off the stuff and yeah getting the
00:06:23.080 snack machines and uh and i remember there was this one night and we were you know we were out
00:06:28.460 and it was about two in the morning i don't know what we were looking for i think we're just in
00:06:32.040 trouble probably cool air too you know it's summer it's so rough but go on sorry yeah no and then the
00:06:37.880 cops we we saw lights and so the next thing you know we're kind of like in a drainage ditch like
00:06:43.720 and it was kind of like I was only like 12 but for a moment I was like I think I need to make
00:06:48.880 some changes you know this probably ain't the right thing to be doing but then later on I
00:06:53.980 like we got odd jobs like roofing houses and Thibodeau and oh bro uh little in New Orleans
00:07:00.480 and yeah dude everything down there it's flooring bro they'll put flooring on your ceiling they
00:07:06.600 don't give a damn bro people they'll put linoleum around a baby bro they don't even care down there
00:07:11.340 But, like, everybody in Louisiana, I feel like, ends up doing roofing or flooring at some point, bro. 0.93
00:07:16.440 Yeah, and there was always, like, a flood.
00:07:19.480 Like, every year I'd come, they'd have a different color carpet.
00:07:23.480 And then the next time, then finally, they just went straight concrete.
00:07:26.860 They're like, we're done.
00:07:28.240 We're done.
00:07:29.160 Oh, yeah.
00:07:29.500 So then it'd get humid, and you'd be slipping all around the living room.
00:07:32.480 That's the devil's carpet, dude.
00:07:34.480 And, you know, yeah, that is so Louisiana when you finally just give in and be like, all right, we're doing this.
00:07:39.880 We're a concrete family.
00:07:41.340 a concrete family, dude. Bro, so funny that like, you know, you're talking about a place that's so
00:07:47.960 flooded, you know, that's like so flood centric. And your family had really kind of a religious
00:07:52.320 upbringing. You said your dad was an evangelist. Yeah. So he was a preacher, but we just traveled
00:07:58.520 and preached from town to town. So like a traveling evangelist. Yep. And was he good at it?
00:08:04.160 oh man he was he was the best yeah as a you know as a little kid I he was like a I mean people
00:08:14.120 throw it around a lot but he was a rock star you know he would uh he would see the biggest
00:08:19.260 scariest looking man in the room and he would have him laughing and then five seconds later
00:08:25.440 the man would be crying he's kind of a comedian I mean he was he was really funny um but he was
00:08:32.300 also you know a man who had been through a lot so he could relate to to people i see um so whereas
00:08:40.380 a lot of people you know they kind of have their nose in the air my dad was a man of the people
00:08:45.100 and i feel like that was something that kind of you know when we would roll into a town and uh
00:08:51.600 take over the church for a weekend or a week or something by the end of it you know i felt like
00:08:57.140 everybody wanted us to stay and kind of wanted you know us to take over but wow yeah that's almost
00:09:03.540 like a rock star energy in its own right huh yeah he was rolling in like that that was it man we
00:09:09.680 lived out of the car we uh most of my childhood we didn't really have a house we everything was
00:09:15.920 in the trunk and we were just yeah man looking out the window looking at the you know america
00:09:22.540 just driving and go to towns and make friends.
00:09:28.040 But then after a while, you started to kind of break your heart
00:09:31.700 because you wouldn't see them again.
00:09:34.760 So you started to kind of pull away a little bit.
00:09:39.580 But it was good because I was with my brothers.
00:09:41.720 So we always had each other.
00:09:45.700 But, yeah, like seeing a normal childhood and boyfriend and girlfriend
00:09:51.740 and high school and all that stuff was so foreign to us because you know that wasn't our life it was
00:09:58.700 on the road and oddly enough we ended up choosing a career path that kind of kept us on the road
00:10:05.540 so like whenever you guys would pull into town like did you did the kids have like a responsibility
00:10:10.240 did you and your siblings have a responsibility to like yeah you know to help build the atmosphere
00:10:14.600 like what was like kind of if you can just explain that to me a little yeah I mean when we would come
00:10:19.320 to town it was a revival so when we came to town it was usually the church needed a spark okay you
00:10:25.600 know things that got a little stagnant yeah and so we would roll in and kind of fire everyone up
00:10:31.000 and then we'd leave and hopefully it would keep going um but us i think you know we were boys
00:10:38.440 as three boys so like they just didn't want us to get in trouble you know and to kind of be a good
00:10:45.820 example to the other kids but you know we weren't really the best example i don't think um your
00:10:52.700 adolescence too yeah we just wanted to play sport like whatever if they had a basketball court at
00:10:58.260 the church it was like all right sweet we can go play some basketball we can go whoop up on some
00:11:02.580 kids yeah um we had that we had our brothers so we had kind of like a built-in team um but yeah
00:11:10.280 we didn't really we weren't that involved in the church but we did that is where we started singing
00:11:15.900 yeah um and we didn't want to do it very often every now and then they would they would talk
00:11:21.360 us into getting up um and we'd play the drums uh we would help along you know with the music
00:11:27.860 so kind of almost whatever was needed like if dad needs you to do something
00:11:31.380 yeah you know if we need to go past the plate around or uh you know be the first one to go
00:11:37.640 down to the altar and be a good you know get people feeling comfortable to go do it we'd do
00:11:41.980 that amen dude yeah dude it reminds me bro this is so funny man one of my favorite movies of all
00:11:47.300 time i don't ever even talk about is a leap of faith you ever see that movie is that steve martin
00:11:51.280 yeah yeah yeah dude i love that movie growing up we had one of those like i think it was like yeah
00:11:57.480 there it is right there it was like a random house one of those things where you mail them two dollars
00:12:02.900 and they send you six movies or whatever?
00:12:05.900 Yeah.
00:12:06.320 And then they sue you for the rest of your life or whatever
00:12:08.780 for not paying them or whatever?
00:12:10.120 Yeah.
00:12:10.580 Or then they, like, track you down for years or whatever
00:12:13.180 because you have a copy of Curly Sue out or something that you owe them?
00:12:16.360 Oh, man, back to Louisiana, me and my cousin one night,
00:12:19.140 we snuck out and we went to the video store
00:12:21.280 and we wanted to rent, like, some dirty movies.
00:12:25.120 I mean, not dirty, R-rated movies.
00:12:26.880 Yeah.
00:12:27.420 I remember we got this one Jean-Claude Van Damme movie.
00:12:30.420 I think it was called like Double Trouble or Double Team or something.
00:12:33.540 He played Twins.
00:12:35.000 Yeah.
00:12:35.600 But it had a couple of scenes that we liked.
00:12:39.780 And we didn't realize, you know, we had rented it on my uncle's thing,
00:12:44.420 but we just left it at that house.
00:12:45.800 We didn't want to get busted.
00:12:47.660 Yeah.
00:12:48.000 And then it was years later that he got the bill.
00:12:51.340 And he was like, what is this?
00:12:52.920 Yeah.
00:12:53.480 They're like, you owe $11,000.
00:12:56.120 Yeah.
00:12:56.960 But that Leap of Faith, that looked like a tent revival, right?
00:13:00.580 Yeah, that was Steve Martin.
00:13:01.620 It was a tent revival.
00:13:03.280 Bring it up just for a little bit of something, just to be accurate here.
00:13:07.800 Yeah, this was, man, this movie, dude, he would pull in,
00:13:10.500 and they had this soundtrack with it and was like,
00:13:12.360 Are you ready for a miracle?
00:13:14.100 Ready as I can be.
00:13:15.980 Remember that?
00:13:16.340 I know that one, yeah.
00:13:17.500 Are you ready for a miracle?
00:13:19.380 Let the Spirit set you free.
00:13:21.200 That's awesome.
00:13:21.780 Are you ready?
00:13:21.940 We had three movies, I think, and I watched this probably 400 times, bro.
00:13:28.380 A 1992 American comedy drama film.
00:13:31.140 What did it say?
00:13:32.400 Slick-talking traveling evangelist Jonas Nightingale runs a high-tech revival scam
00:13:37.780 using hidden microphone spotters and computerized databases to fleece small-town congregations.
00:13:43.480 That's kind of like Fletch, right?
00:13:45.000 Fletch, too, isn't he, like, fake like he's a preacher and they got, like, some...
00:13:48.840 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:49.640 Did you ever see The Apostle?
00:13:51.680 Uh-uh.
00:13:52.560 Oh, man, that's a good one.
00:13:54.260 It was Robert Duvall.
00:13:57.740 That's a good one.
00:13:58.880 The Apostle?
00:13:59.500 But it's kind of a similar thing.
00:14:01.440 I'll put that on my list.
00:14:02.660 I like Robert Duvall.
00:14:03.360 He's in Crazy Heart.
00:14:04.220 Have you seen that?
00:14:04.940 Oh, yeah.
00:14:05.880 The Apostle is his best.
00:14:07.180 I think it's his best work.
00:14:08.460 But, yeah, Crazy Heart's awesome.
00:14:10.120 Dude, yeah, that Weary Kind, that song.
00:14:11.780 Oh, man, yeah.
00:14:13.760 If you want to cry in a parking lot.
00:14:16.180 I do.
00:14:17.260 Then, yeah, put that on.
00:14:20.120 and just pull behind the Aldi, dude.
00:14:22.700 Yeah, let's do it.
00:14:24.160 Dude, you can park behind any Kroger and put that on.
00:14:27.020 There'll be four other dudes listening to it back there.
00:14:31.260 Oh, yeah, dude.
00:14:32.400 That's a real, that's a song right there, man.
00:14:34.900 I love that.
00:14:35.780 Ryan Bingham.
00:14:36.480 No, who's?
00:14:37.280 Who Bingham, yeah.
00:14:38.320 Yeah.
00:14:38.780 Is that right?
00:14:39.360 And he was in the movie, too, I think.
00:14:41.940 Yeah, I think he's his backing band, right?
00:14:44.480 He's the leader of the backing band when he rolls up to the bowling alley.
00:14:47.840 Yeah.
00:14:48.840 Yeah, if you want to know if you're an alcoholic,
00:14:50.280 go listen to this a few times.
00:14:52.600 Oh, yeah, man, that movie, that'll hit you.
00:14:55.200 I watched it a couple of times when we were on the road,
00:14:57.960 and I was pretty beat up.
00:14:59.620 And, yeah, it makes you, feels like there's a spotlight on you.
00:15:03.000 Yeah.
00:15:03.460 Yeah.
00:15:04.160 Oh, dude, in the end, bro, when he goes, like,
00:15:07.480 when she shows up and she has the ring on, she met somebody.
00:15:10.860 Yeah, no, that part.
00:15:12.880 I still feel bad about that.
00:15:14.060 Dude, I feel like they got together after that, right?
00:15:16.760 I don't think that was going to work 1.00
00:15:18.700 whatever relationship she was in 0.99
00:15:21.500 because they had
00:15:22.380 look at the way she's looking at him
00:15:23.800 oh I know dude 1.00
00:15:26.500 god I want that
00:15:28.300 and we asked him
00:15:30.760 we actually got to interview him not too long ago
00:15:32.880 yeah we got to sit down with him
00:15:34.700 and we asked him
00:15:36.760 we were like how is bad Blake doing
00:15:38.660 you know and he's like
00:15:39.820 I heard he's doing pretty good
00:15:42.140 so it's just kind of cool to like
00:15:44.780 just go and like
00:15:46.560 just get it kind of direct from the source.
00:15:49.600 Yeah, a lot of times you watch a movie and you
00:15:51.280 you know, you get to kind of fill out
00:15:53.480 you color in between like what
00:15:55.320 happens afterwards. Yeah. And you
00:15:57.360 hope it plays out the way that you
00:15:59.300 imagine it plays out. Yeah.
00:16:01.060 Yeah. And the character, they just
00:16:03.280 disappear out into the ether, you know?
00:16:05.580 Unless this person, like I was even
00:16:07.360 asking Jeff Bridges, like, hey, do you ever
00:16:09.160 just bad Blake around the house
00:16:11.260 and fire him up just to give
00:16:13.260 him, you know, a nice afternoon or something?
00:16:15.180 You know, just take him for a walk.
00:16:16.560 Yeah, I'm friends with an actor that was in Tron with him, Garrett Hedlund.
00:16:22.180 And I think when they were making that movie, maybe he was preparing for Crazy Heart.
00:16:27.560 Oh, wow.
00:16:28.260 And Garrett likes to play music, too.
00:16:30.860 So he told me stories about him playing those songs to him before he had seen the movie.
00:16:38.140 Oh, to go get ready kind of?
00:16:39.200 Yeah, and he was just always like, man, you got to hear these songs.
00:16:41.620 These songs are amazing.
00:16:43.220 Yeah, dude, that's cool.
00:16:44.680 I don't know if I ever met Garrett or not
00:16:46.700 but
00:16:47.080 yeah I just feel it would be so neat
00:16:50.420 to be able to have a character that was so like
00:16:52.300 kind of revered or beloved
00:16:54.360 that you got to fire him up every now and then
00:16:56.680 take him on a bike ride or something
00:16:58.320 I know it must be weird being an
00:17:00.780 actor and then you
00:17:02.020 like you have this one
00:17:04.660 role and you're
00:17:06.600 kind of identified as that
00:17:08.080 you know it's weird
00:17:10.300 it's always weird if you meet like a celebrity
00:17:12.340 um and you think you know them because you've watched them so much and then you start talking
00:17:20.500 to them like you're talking to the character from the movie and then you realize like oh man they're
00:17:24.860 not like that at all he hates that character oh dude yeah well it's kind of funny how is you like
00:17:31.520 if you have some creative work and you sort of evolve over time sometimes you start to not
00:17:35.800 appreciate your like early works or sometimes they'll be like a little cringe to you or something
00:17:41.820 about it maybe yeah i think you always are going to go through a period where you don't like
00:17:47.540 something but i think you come around if you survive long enough and have a long enough career
00:17:53.880 then you can look back on the early days and you know you admire it a little more and you're not as
00:17:59.720 you know embarrassed but a lot of times when you're embarrassed about the thing that you were
00:18:04.900 you look back on that time and you're like oh that was even more embarrassing like the early
00:18:10.120 days were better than that guy oh yeah yeah oh eventually you get to the point you're like oh
00:18:15.500 the second dude was way more embarrassing than the first dude yeah that's hilarious um let's go
00:18:22.480 back a little bit to like the Pentecostal like just to that traveling like what um because I grew
00:18:27.260 up in an area there was a lot of Pentecostals down like down out to out in the country and stuff like
00:18:31.180 that and um and I always thought that the way that they try and communicate like with their higher
00:18:38.940 power and with God. And like, I always really kind of admired it in a weird way. Um, because
00:18:44.980 some of it was super unique. I felt like, um, what did you see? Like, what is a typical or
00:18:49.660 even an atypical kind of Pentecostal service? Like, oh man, it's been a while, but it was,
00:18:56.720 it was exciting. You know, we, I had, I went and visited some friends. Like they're, one of my
00:19:03.640 friends was a church of Christ and I went to his church and they had no music. And I was just like,
00:19:08.160 everyone was falling asleep and I was like and our the way that we kind of did it you know you go in
00:19:14.760 and music is kind of throughout you know it kind of sets the tone and you can uh you can kind of
00:19:23.320 dictate what the night is going to be it's like all right we need some something lively so Nathan
00:19:29.640 my older brother or me would get on the drums and um you know kind of wake everybody up but it was
00:19:36.680 a lot of music a lot of uh when my dad preached he was mindful you know he wasn't one of those
00:19:42.020 guys that got up and was long-winded he was kind of he had his hits you know we could you know we
00:19:49.480 could sit there and kind of quote some of the stuff we knew what was coming and we'd be telling
00:19:53.240 the kid like watch he's about to say this or watch he's about to say this verse yeah look out for the
00:19:57.460 magic oh yeah um but it was it was exciting man it was uh it was a good childhood you know yeah
00:20:05.540 I think a lot of people would look at it and feel sorry for us and think like, oh, man, you didn't have the traditional schooling and, you know, you're always on the move.
00:20:18.760 But it was exciting.
00:20:20.260 You know, when you're a little kid, you're not stuck in a classroom or you're not, you know, stressed out about certain things.
00:20:27.720 It was just like we were always on the roll, you know, always on the go.
00:20:31.580 Yeah.
00:20:32.900 And it was exciting.
00:20:34.000 You know, the services were cool, and we'd always go to, like, a restaurant afterwards and eat at Shoney's.
00:20:41.000 Oh, yeah, dude.
00:20:41.960 Yeah, man.
00:20:42.680 That was good.
00:20:43.560 Shoney's was freaking crazy, dude.
00:20:46.060 How great it was.
00:20:47.360 Oh, man.
00:20:47.980 The floors were always slippery, and staff was always pissed when you'd roll in at 10 o'clock.
00:20:54.240 Yeah.
00:20:54.660 Whole church just in there taking over.
00:20:57.200 Especially you guys.
00:20:58.380 Oh, probably not tipping.
00:20:59.640 You know, now looking back, I'm sure nobody probably tipped back then.
00:21:04.560 Oh, yeah, especially if you're getting out of a revival and you guys are out all hyped up.
00:21:08.520 Oh, everybody's starving.
00:21:09.640 They've just been running the aisles for two hours.
00:21:11.760 Yeah, when you're praying at high-level intensity, dude, the calories you're burning.
00:21:15.960 Oh, yeah, you got to carb up for that, yeah.
00:21:17.820 Oh, yeah, dude.
00:21:18.960 Oh, carbs for Christ, dude.
00:21:21.120 Some of that won't even measure on a whoop bracelet, brother.
00:21:23.680 Some of this praying, that should definitely—I wonder how many calories is praying burn.
00:21:29.140 Let's look that up, if you don't mind.
00:21:32.000 How many calories does praying burn?
00:21:36.000 They don't even want you to know.
00:21:37.660 They're like, we don't want to give you any ideas.
00:21:40.480 Praying burns about 15 to 18 calories per session,
00:21:45.500 or roughly 80 to 90 calories per day if you perform all five daily prayers.
00:21:50.180 So that's asking a lot of people.
00:21:52.900 Yeah, how long are these prayers?
00:21:55.660 About 15, 18 calories per session.
00:21:58.240 Yeah, what specifically is that?
00:21:59.500 Let me see.
00:21:59.920 uh that must be like um it could be a muslim prayer oh it's islamic prayer of salah right
00:22:05.840 but i would say 15 18 calories per session probably seems like that would be the answer
00:22:10.300 i guess that's not bad pretty good yeah if you pray six times in a day you could have like a
00:22:16.380 personal trainer slash preacher just get people to pray and then burn some calories make a little
00:22:22.340 money oh yeah that could be the next thing it's kind of like a like an event like a traveling
00:22:27.060 evangelist, but with
00:22:29.180 kind of a ropes course at the end.
00:22:31.960 That wouldn't be bad.
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00:25:31.740 Get your tickets now. I always thought it was interesting about Pentecostals because
00:25:36.420 a lot of times you would see they would speak in tongues, right? They would kind of, or it's
00:25:40.480 called, what is the exact word it is? Is it there? Oh, glossolalia. Glossolalia. That's the first
00:25:49.660 time I've ever heard that. Glossolalia, the fluid vocalization of speech like syllables, rhythms,
00:25:54.580 and sounds that lack a comprehensible meaning or known grammatical structure. It is often practiced
00:25:59.740 during a static or charismatic religious experiences um because i've found sometimes
00:26:04.980 that it's hard it's hard to get the sounds out of yourself that like you know if you want to
00:26:10.780 really just let yourself loose sometimes it's hard to just get it out of you yeah um and it
00:26:16.800 seemed like that was like a a branch of a religion where they kind of they let that happen yeah and
00:26:21.320 when they would lay hands on people or they would pray over people i always felt that to me it seems
00:26:25.740 very powerful yeah because it's like there were more physical acts during some of those services
00:26:30.920 and i feel like that is a good thing a lot of times oh yeah i've seen some i've seen some uh
00:26:37.240 some crazy experiences have you because there were other people that would you know that were
00:26:43.460 evangelists i guess you'd say and that was more of their thing kind of laying hands on people and
00:26:48.920 And, you know, I've seen healings and, you know, seen people walk that weren't walking.
00:26:56.480 Wow.
00:26:56.600 We had this woman that went to her church, and she was like, had cancer real bad.
00:27:05.160 Like, you look at her, she was, you know, her skin, she was gray.
00:27:10.480 And, yeah, she didn't have long, and my dad prayed for her, and I think she's still alive.
00:27:17.900 Wow.
00:27:18.280 Yeah.
00:27:18.920 So you've witnessed miracles out there.
00:27:21.120 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:27:22.040 Yeah, there's definitely power in prayer.
00:27:25.560 Oh, yeah, just to be thinking of somebody else, it really is.
00:27:28.220 It's almost like it feels like a superpower sometimes to sit there and be like,
00:27:32.400 hey, let me channel whatever energy I have today.
00:27:35.020 Yeah, man, I think we are capable of so much.
00:27:39.680 We have a lot of energy that we can direct towards one another.
00:27:43.780 um and when you have that focus and you know everyone's kind of dialed into the one thing and
00:27:51.140 yeah i've seen some some pretty cool stuff was there one area of the country that was like uh
00:27:59.960 that was more prevalent for revivals was there one part of the country where it just really felt like
00:28:04.900 um i think it happens everywhere i mean our kind of area was in the south mainly um and the south
00:28:13.500 you know they get down oh yeah so yeah it was and then we'd get to like oklahoma and that has more
00:28:21.020 of like a midwestern feel so they were not quite as rambunctious as the southerners you know yeah
00:28:29.840 um but yeah you know we would do like tent revivals like like uh that thing that um that
00:28:36.260 movie and those were always exciting and those happened in the south mainly because you know
00:28:41.600 everywhere else um didn't have the kind of weather for it but i remember we did have this one tent
00:28:47.580 revival and i forget where we were i think we must have been in the south but there was a cold spell
00:28:53.280 that kind of come through and i remember when my dad finished it was like james brown or something
00:28:58.660 because he would like get he'd be so wet and you just want to like put a his jacket over him or
00:29:02.840 something um but i remember he came to the like afterwards he walked to the car and his hair was
00:29:09.480 ice it was like frozen because he had sweat and then it just like froze solid
00:29:14.580 it was wild but yeah i think the south probably i mean like i say that was our that's where we
00:29:24.240 went so i know it i know it was big there but we weren't like um you know then you get to like the
00:29:29.840 mountains and that's where you get like the snakes and stuff that wasn't us it wasn't y'all no no we
00:29:35.060 yeah it's when the evangelism meets like kind of zoo keepers or yeah that was a little that was a
00:29:41.060 little much you know yeah i mean i'm not saying that you you know whatever you i'm not here to
00:29:47.160 judge but i don't think we gotta bring snakes into it you know i don't i think we there's an
00:29:52.820 easier way to get to god you know oh i sit in the snake free section bro yeah no crap that is it
00:30:00.480 Dude, I said in the snake-free section, snake handling, also called serpent handling, a religious right observed in a small number of isolated churches, mostly in the United States, characterized as rural and part of the holiness movement.
00:30:12.520 The practice began in the early 20th century in Appalachia and plays only a small part in the church service.
00:30:18.780 There you go.
00:30:19.860 Early Christianity. 0.82
00:30:21.140 In the 2nd century, the Ophites reportedly handled snakes during their services and also worshipped the serpent.
00:30:28.140 The practice of snake handling first appeared in American Christianity around 1910.
00:30:33.080 Kind of says Tennessee.
00:30:34.240 Yeah.
00:30:34.780 Wow.
00:30:35.060 So maybe we did invent.
00:30:36.960 A lot going on around here.
00:30:38.640 Yeah.
00:30:40.120 And I know from your documentary that you guys grew up in poor conditions.
00:30:44.740 Was there a lot of money to be made in evangelism?
00:30:50.220 No.
00:30:51.180 Yeah, we didn't have any money.
00:30:54.080 We were just, you know, I guess you'd say paycheck to paycheck.
00:30:57.320 But some towns you get to, they don't even have any money.
00:31:01.720 So you're just kind of, you know, you're doing your thing,
00:31:05.140 and it's kind of like you get us back or whatever.
00:31:08.120 I remember we preached at this one church,
00:31:09.760 and they gave us tickets to Disney World.
00:31:12.040 No way.
00:31:13.520 And so my family didn't get much.
00:31:15.660 My parents didn't get much out of it, but we got to go to Disney World.
00:31:18.180 We were like, man, that was the good one right there.
00:31:22.280 But, yeah, we didn't have a lot.
00:31:24.500 But we didn't realize that we didn't have a lot, you know, and I know it's kind of cliche, but we had a lot of love and we had each other, you know, it wasn't a thing where, um, and we didn't have TV and stuff, you know, we were.
00:31:42.180 Right. So you weren't always getting this reflection of the world of what you were missing.
00:31:44.980 Yeah. We didn't know. We didn't know what we didn't know, you know, that's a good point, man. Cause I think I grew up with a lot of resentment about like not having much, you know,
00:31:54.000 but I think also it was because there wasn't much communication like hey we don't have much but
00:31:59.100 like we're good people yeah and that you know that doesn't define us and we are a family and
00:32:04.720 that you know we're working together like I think if somebody sat down for two minutes with me and
00:32:09.140 just told me those things then I'd have had a better idea you know um so I think some of that
00:32:15.280 in my own world was like communication probably yeah but I feel like the more and you see it now
00:32:20.580 I mean, I feel like the more you have kind of, it doesn't bring happiness, you know.
00:32:28.560 I feel like we were really happy, and we would just laugh all the time.
00:32:32.800 Oh, dude.
00:32:33.000 And whenever you're poor, but you can laugh at it, it's not like you're poor.
00:32:38.240 Yeah.
00:32:38.560 It's just kind of like you're in on the joke.
00:32:40.380 You're the joke, and you're in on it.
00:32:41.980 It's kind of like, oh, you know, you're always making jokes about how bad it is, you know.
00:32:46.740 Oh, definitely, dude.
00:32:47.260 There was nothing more fun.
00:32:48.540 i was actually texting my buddies larry and eddie today from uh the street i grew up on
00:32:52.780 there was nothing more fun dude than making fun of each other out in the street dude oh yeah i mean
00:32:58.120 it was just dude it was the best bro i feel like those rich kids couldn't they can't take it you
00:33:05.600 know like when you're poor you can say anything and it's like yeah no you know i know you have
00:33:11.400 nothing to lose dude one thing that my mom always said that i appreciated was she said uh the best
00:33:17.560 thing about being poor is you have nothing to lose yeah that's true say what you want you do
00:33:22.060 what you want sue me what are you gonna do yeah they got nothing to take from you take it yeah
00:33:26.740 take it i ain't got nothing it's nothing dude and i think some of the freedom sometimes even though
00:33:33.640 like i think it was like a lot of like probably discomfort and maybe disconnection like that was
00:33:39.840 kind of in the culture of like like our mom would always work and stuff like that so we would kind
00:33:44.300 to be left our own devices. But then when I look back on it, it was like, I knew how to sew. I
00:33:49.740 knew how to do laundry. I knew how to do all these things at five years old that were six years old
00:33:53.900 that were, you know, things that other kids still would just didn't have an idea. I eventually knew
00:33:57.980 how to resole a shoe. There was like just little things I would learn just how to take care of
00:34:01.520 myself. Right. And then my dad would always be like, you're going to, you're a survivor. It's
00:34:05.380 the only thing he ever said to me. Right. I mean, I kind of wish he'd have said some other stuff,
00:34:08.640 but it was like, but that's truly the thing I probably needed to hear. You know? Um, I don't
00:34:13.340 know I don't really know what I'm talking about I guess I'm just thinking about like yeah I don't
00:34:18.220 know just just yesterday I was thinking like man those are some of the coolest times ever really
00:34:22.800 yeah it's you know it shapes you and now I'll tell stories to my kids and if you know you feel
00:34:29.000 like those stories that your parents told you about going to school uphill both ways and snow
00:34:34.420 and all that kind of stuff.
00:34:37.420 But, yeah, you know, I feel like it gave us thick skin,
00:34:42.620 put a drive in us and a hunger.
00:34:47.180 And it was never really for success.
00:34:50.240 It was just kind of to prove our worth, you know.
00:34:55.060 That's always been something, and even now in the music industry,
00:34:59.160 and, you know, there's always a little bit of a chip on your shoulder
00:35:03.520 from your childhood of kind of walking in a room
00:35:06.820 and feeling like you don't belong in there,
00:35:09.060 but you're like, by the time I leave this room,
00:35:11.220 they're going to know who I am, you know?
00:35:13.340 And so I feel like kind of growing up that way,
00:35:17.040 you know, it instills that in you and makes you,
00:35:20.760 and I hope that my kids have that,
00:35:22.900 but they're not going to, I don't think so.
00:35:25.080 They got it way too good.
00:35:27.960 Dude, it's funny you say.
00:35:29.460 My son is seven and he still can't soul issue.
00:35:32.200 Can he?
00:35:32.540 yeah dang dude yeah humiliating dude i can get him a farrier course online you can start by just
00:35:38.000 learning how to hoof a horse there you go it's like and then you advance into just human uh
00:35:44.060 hoofery i guess if you will but um dude i've never heard it said like that that
00:35:49.120 uh if you didn't grow up with a lot then you felt like you had to prove your worth like yeah i don't
00:35:54.540 know if there's anything better in some ways if it's not like if it doesn't get into a negative
00:35:58.620 space for you then feel like you have to prove your worth you know yeah i think you always
00:36:02.520 you know that's the one thing the older i get that i realize that you want respect you know
00:36:11.480 you want to be respected for what you do or for who you are my mom used to always tell me she's
00:36:18.360 like you know once you once people lose respect for you you can't get it back she's like so always
00:36:24.600 you know make sure that people respect you um i feel like that's the same kind of thing as like
00:36:30.760 that proving your worth um yeah you know i mean when you're the poor guy uh and you see the pretty
00:36:38.940 girl and then there's the rich dude over there yeah you're like how am i gonna get her to look
00:36:45.920 at me you know with this guy over here yeah with the washed hair yeah exactly the guy with shoes
00:36:52.480 over here yeah dude my buddy had freaking washed hair dude and he still does yeah god probably
00:36:59.160 blow dries it too what a show off dude yeah dude it was probably shampoo and he probably had soap
00:37:06.780 separate too it wasn't just like whatever's there does it all mouthwash oh dude i'm trying to think
00:37:14.160 of some of the things that were kind of different i mean my mom got a car one time and we'd go sleep
00:37:19.500 in that because it was just more comfortable in there you know yeah i mean we died i slept in we
00:37:26.000 slept in our car that was you know usually we were rolling down the road my dad was driving but
00:37:32.260 man i think back i mean i used to sleep in the back windshield seriously i would sleep on the
00:37:39.140 floorboard with the lump oh so you kind of either have to like find a way to curl up on one side of
00:37:46.900 the lump or you just slept with a lump in your back yeah or you got to be a camel for halloween
00:37:50.760 Yeah, exactly.
00:37:52.600 Life is only two ways.
00:37:53.880 But yeah, man, a car.
00:37:55.480 My mom had pictures of me in a tiny little suitcase as an infant
00:37:59.480 in the floorboard between her feet.
00:38:01.940 Oh.
00:38:02.620 We did not play by the rules, I don't think.
00:38:05.580 Little to-go item of the Lord right there.
00:38:07.660 Yeah.
00:38:08.100 God.
00:38:09.200 Oh, yeah, dude, I remember on the weekends, though,
00:38:10.760 I didn't even think about this.
00:38:11.480 I used to ride my bike around and collect aluminum.
00:38:13.480 I'd go get cans everywhere.
00:38:14.700 I'd be out in the woods looking for cans.
00:38:16.420 I found a part of a severed hand in there one time.
00:38:18.820 yeah there was something i always wanted to like i don't know i was gonna find a way i think
00:38:23.720 something like that kind of built up dude i remember dude i would sneak in my mom my dude
00:38:28.300 my mom bro and in louisiana our apartment was always sinking bro so when it was kind of dry
00:38:33.880 season in the car because the carpet would get really wet like half the year oh yeah because
00:38:38.700 something was wrong that mildew smell oh god dude oh you'd be talking to somebody they'd have just
00:38:44.520 mold spores all over them you'd part your hair and have two reptiles just wiggle on out of it
00:38:51.040 that's kind of stylish yeah it was a bit much um but uh i remember i just elbow crawling in my mom's
00:38:57.520 room dude quiet as she'd not open her little purse thing or whatever and she'd have four dollars in
00:39:02.940 here and i'd take one of them i'd take one of them you're taking a quarter of the of the family's 1.00
00:39:09.480 earnings hey i knew i was going to take care of it yeah that's why i don't know what she's going 0.86
00:39:13.380 do with it. We invested it though. Oh, I wouldn't go spend it. I'm just like, Hey, just go show it
00:39:19.260 off. Like, yeah, Mr. Clean hair. Yeah. It was a different time, dude. Um, yeah. Sometimes it's
00:39:28.040 interesting to try and think about new things. I'd never thought about that though, that like,
00:39:31.560 if I didn't have much and I had to prove, I had to create my, myself, I had to prove my worth.
00:39:36.300 I never thought about that. So sometimes it's the things you hear when you're just
00:39:39.360 kind of talking with somebody you know um so how do you get from kind of occasionally going up and
00:39:45.320 singing with your family right at revivals and stuff like that how do you go from there to um
00:39:50.120 kind of getting into music becoming sort of um uh kings of leon how do you i know that's a lot in
00:39:58.500 there no yeah it was uh i mean there was it was a bit of a a journey of kind of maybe just trying
00:40:08.780 to find who you are and what what what it is that you're gonna do with your life you know
00:40:14.300 I think there was a part of me that felt like I was probably gonna follow in my dad's footsteps
00:40:18.600 and be a preacher yeah I think so I mean that's all we knew I didn't know it's not like you know
00:40:24.700 we had other family members that was doing something that was like oh I want to be that
00:40:29.900 you know um and then we you know we he also painted houses and my uncle's painted houses so
00:40:38.000 there for a little bit we went to Oklahoma
00:40:41.560 my parents split up
00:40:43.760 my dad was in Oklahoma
00:40:45.520 and so we went and were painting houses
00:40:47.780 in Oklahoma and I was probably about
00:40:49.420 15, 16, something like that
00:40:52.060 and then just like
00:40:54.960 too much
00:40:57.600 like you know huffing paint
00:40:59.680 and doing all the
00:41:01.180 just being a painter you know always kind of high 0.99
00:41:03.740 always just felt like crap 0.98
00:41:05.440 always. You got that matte finish in your eyes 0.99
00:41:07.480 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And then it was like one day, um, I kind of hit a wall and I was like, yeah,
00:41:15.660 this ain't, this ain't it. I'm not, there's no future in this. And I actually went, um,
00:41:22.220 in Oklahoma city and I don't know what I was doing, but I was in like a parking lot and there
00:41:28.220 was like a, an enrollment for like the military. Yeah. And I, I was, you know, think considering
00:41:34.620 it i was like maybe i'll go do something like that and then i heard a voice i mean i you know
00:41:41.200 it sounds strange but i heard a voice that just said go home and and so i i went back to the house
00:41:49.500 and i told my brother and all of our buddies i was like i'm going back to tennessee and um
00:41:55.140 i think everyone was just kind of like what why what do you have there because it's just my mom
00:42:00.440 of my little brother living in Jackson, Tennessee, I was like,
00:42:04.340 I think I'm going to go try to get in the music.
00:42:08.440 I didn't even know what that meant.
00:42:10.980 But you felt like a calling towards it kind of?
00:42:12.840 Yeah.
00:42:13.540 I just felt like I needed to go, you know,
00:42:16.880 that whatever that was that was talking to me was telling me, like, go home.
00:42:20.820 It didn't say why, but it just said go home.
00:42:23.920 And so when I went back to Jackson, Tennessee,
00:42:26.640 i just i wanted to find my way into nashville um and so i would like go to the we'd go to kroger
00:42:37.860 or something like that and we're checking out there'd be like magazines like country weekly
00:42:42.180 and stuff like that yeah and i was like that's nashville so i'd thumb through it and i'd go to
00:42:46.900 the back and it was always like wanted the wanted pages like we want a songwriter a guitar player
00:42:53.440 or sing or I didn't know how to do any of those I knew how to sing um but my older brother Nathan
00:43:00.620 who was living in Oklahoma he called me like three days after I got there and he's like hey man I'm
00:43:04.740 coming home he's like I'm gonna help you do that music thing wow I was like sweet and so he got
00:43:10.340 home and we just looked at each other like so how do we do it and he just got a pad and pen and we
00:43:19.280 just started writing little storybook rhymes and little i love you do you love me you know yeah
00:43:25.920 and just like listening to um like otis redding and sam cook and um and then just kind of started
00:43:33.940 doing that and then eventually we got songs a couple of songs together that were decent enough
00:43:39.540 to where we could sing them and we sang a couple to my mom and she was like you know what boys
00:43:45.920 we're going to go to Nashville.
00:43:47.480 And y'all were in Jackson, Tennessee at the time?
00:43:49.180 Yeah, we were in Jackson.
00:43:50.560 And her boss at the insurance company, where she was the secretary,
00:43:55.480 ended up being her husband later on.
00:43:58.520 Mm-hmm.
00:43:59.240 Yeah.
00:44:00.220 That policy, boy, that policy hitting.
00:44:02.700 Yeah.
00:44:03.000 Yeah.
00:44:04.320 But his marriage was over, hers was over.
00:44:08.960 And so we came to Nashville, and we were living like out in like Hermitage area behind the Hooters.
00:44:19.800 Oh, yeah.
00:44:20.520 Yeah, that was inspiring.
00:44:23.420 But yeah, we just, one day we went out.
00:44:26.140 Yeah, I'd rather be in front of them, I'll tell you that.
00:44:28.280 But yeah, we go on.
00:44:31.240 And Tom, Tom Murphy's his name, our stepdad.
00:44:36.560 And he had him a little boat.
00:44:38.860 It wasn't nothing.
00:44:39.520 It was just a little bass boat or something.
00:44:41.000 And we went out on the lake.
00:44:42.840 And my mom, we were out there just kind of like floating.
00:44:45.480 And my mom was like, boys, why don't y'all sing him one of y'all's songs?
00:44:49.940 And so he was like, all right, here we go.
00:44:52.480 And we hit him with a little acapella.
00:44:54.960 Yeah.
00:44:55.800 And instantly he went, hey, man, that's good.
00:44:59.120 That's real good.
00:45:00.060 That's how he talked.
00:45:01.560 And he was like, I think that night we went home
00:45:06.040 because me and Nathan were working at a little restaurant
00:45:08.280 called Tumbleweeds, I believe it was.
00:45:11.900 It was a little, I was a bad waiter.
00:45:14.280 It didn't last long.
00:45:17.340 And he was like, you know, I'm going to give y'all
00:45:19.280 a little bit of money to where you can quit your job
00:45:23.640 and you can go try to get your foot in the door in Nashville.
00:45:26.980 Really?
00:45:27.260 So he believed in you guys some.
00:45:29.100 Yeah.
00:45:29.460 So it wasn't much.
00:45:31.000 It was like, you know, $1,000 or something like that.
00:45:33.380 A lot of money, though.
00:45:34.740 And by the end of the month, we paid him back
00:45:39.340 because we had gone and knocked on every door in Nashville.
00:45:43.900 And just like in the movies, everybody slammed the door in your face.
00:45:47.260 I mean, now looking back, we had long hair.
00:45:50.560 They had opened the door, and we'd start singing a cappella.
00:45:52.940 They were like, what the hell is this? 0.99
00:45:54.980 Two of the most busted-looking young women I've ever seen. 1.00
00:45:57.760 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
00:45:59.120 God, she's got a nice mustache.
00:46:02.400 But then there was one, our lawyer.
00:46:05.540 That's y'all?
00:46:06.640 That's us.
00:46:07.400 Oh, we, that's.
00:46:08.640 That's way better than it was, huh?
00:46:09.960 We look good there.
00:46:11.460 Yeah, that was after we had, you know, we had done all right.
00:46:16.000 But one person didn't close the door on us, and that kind of started it.
00:46:21.120 And we got a little publishing deal and started writing songs
00:46:24.560 and trying to get someone to cut a song or something.
00:46:28.280 But then the songs we were writing weren't like country songs.
00:46:33.260 And so we didn't know what we were.
00:46:36.340 And so eventually, after Nashville, I kind of said, yeah, it's not, you know, this isn't for you.
00:46:43.640 Our lawyer was like, let's go to New York.
00:46:46.120 And so we went to New York.
00:46:48.780 And that was a different story because we had nine record labels that we met with.
00:46:55.100 And we played a couple songs for them.
00:46:57.320 and we got seven record deal offers wow so of the nine seven of them offered us and so we ended up
00:47:04.700 living in nashville they didn't like what we were doing went to new york got a record deal with rca
00:47:11.240 records and then came back to nashville and then i remember we were at my mom's house behind the
00:47:17.800 hooters and like a limo pulled up just like wayne's world dude got out with a suit walked
00:47:25.400 into our garage and we're all stoned just like hey he's like yeah play me some songs and by that
00:47:33.400 point we had called our cousin in mississippi and we're like come on man we got a record deal you're
00:47:37.300 in the band and our little brother was a freshman in high school at mount juliet and we're like you
00:47:42.660 want to be in the band he's like yeah we're like all right we need a bass player he just dropped
00:47:47.300 out so we had to sit down with my mom and be like hey jared's not going to school tomorrow
00:47:54.080 Did you have to sign him out or not?
00:47:56.160 I don't know how it happened, but I know my mom believed in us enough to where she was like,
00:48:01.700 okay, you can drop out of school.
00:48:03.980 I mean, we had dropped out, too.
00:48:05.420 We never had, so.
00:48:06.660 Was your mom a good judge of character, do you think?
00:48:09.040 Oh, yeah.
00:48:09.760 She was?
00:48:10.260 Oh, yeah, big time.
00:48:11.260 Okay, because that's a wild thing for a mom to kind of do that, I feel like, 0.99
00:48:14.660 because most moms, it would be like, no way. 0.65
00:48:17.000 I feel like that would be the move, maybe.
00:48:19.460 Yeah, she always knew.
00:48:20.560 I mean, from an early age, she would always just tell us, like,
00:48:24.740 you're going to do something great.
00:48:26.380 Wow.
00:48:26.480 Like, you guys are special.
00:48:28.160 And that was probably her just being a mom, you know.
00:48:30.640 You just say that because you love your kids.
00:48:32.720 Right.
00:48:33.360 But I think she really did, you know,
00:48:36.220 believe that there was something that we were meant to do.
00:48:39.760 And was your cousin a good guitar player?
00:48:42.880 Yeah.
00:48:44.120 Well, we had called him up, and we were like, hey, man,
00:48:47.920 we got a record deal.
00:48:48.900 We went to New York.
00:48:49.760 Like, we signed it and everything.
00:48:52.060 They gave us a stretch limo to the Yankee Stadium.
00:48:56.220 We went to the Yankees game.
00:48:58.680 Like, they really did it up.
00:49:01.060 That was back when the music industry had money, I guess.
00:49:04.700 But we're like, man, you want to come be in the band?
00:49:08.340 And he's like, oh, man, you know, I've been playing my guitar a little.
00:49:11.800 And we said, well, play something.
00:49:13.240 So over the phone, he ripped a Thin Lizzy guitar solo.
00:49:17.040 And we're like, man, that sounds good, dude.
00:49:18.900 You're in the band.
00:49:19.760 come on and so we all went to i remember us going to the uh airport and you had the escalator and
00:49:27.560 we just saw some flip-flops and some bell bottoms coming down and there it was him and he had told
00:49:33.540 his mom yeah i'm just going up there for the weekend yeah but he knew he wasn't going back
00:49:38.740 a long weekend so yeah so we're in the garage he's there um we had been practicing a few songs 0.78
00:49:45.480 and the limo rolls up and this big wig comes in, 0.65
00:49:49.960 sits on the couch that our friend had just got drunk 1.00
00:49:53.680 and pissed on like two nights before.
00:49:56.000 So it was probably still damp at least.
00:50:00.260 And he sat there and we ripped like three songs for him
00:50:04.300 and he stood up and it was like, it was big time.
00:50:08.900 We had made it.
00:50:10.040 That's crazy, bro.
00:50:11.500 Yeah, it was wild.
00:50:12.580 I mean, looking back, do you feel like that's absolutely kind of crazy?
00:50:15.820 It's kind of crazy.
00:50:17.320 Yeah.
00:50:18.020 Yeah.
00:50:18.380 It's like stuff you see in a movie that you're like, oh, they didn't tell the whole story.
00:50:22.940 It's kind of like they glamorized it.
00:50:25.880 But that was it, man.
00:50:27.200 That's how it worked.
00:50:28.400 And instantly, we had to go make an EP because we were going to make an album, but we didn't have the songs yet.
00:50:35.400 We were still writing the songs.
00:50:37.300 So we had a few songs, so we were going to go record them.
00:50:40.860 We went and made the EP, and then we went straight to Memphis.
00:50:45.980 We were going to go make a record.
00:50:48.140 So while we're in Memphis, we get a call, and they're like,
00:50:51.560 hey, we've got to pause the record.
00:50:53.640 And we're like, why?
00:50:55.340 They said because the EP has just hit it big in the U.K.
00:51:00.920 And so we're like, what are you talking about?
00:51:02.720 They're like, you guys are big.
00:51:05.200 And we're sitting there like.
00:51:06.640 That sounds like a prank show almost.
00:51:08.360 I know.
00:51:08.860 I know.
00:51:09.380 It's wild.
00:51:09.860 Like, everything you do, it's almost like, and that's great.
00:51:13.080 Yep.
00:51:13.880 And so then they were like, your boys are going to London.
00:51:16.740 We're like, man, we haven't, they're like,
00:51:18.840 you guys need to go play a couple of concerts.
00:51:20.860 So we went and played a show in Atlanta at Smith's Old Bar.
00:51:25.780 By yourself or opening up for somebody?
00:51:27.340 We opened for Billy Joe Schaefer.
00:51:29.460 Wow.
00:51:30.400 And a band, we were the first of three.
00:51:33.380 There was a band called the Skeeters.
00:51:35.740 We were, I don't think they're still at it.
00:51:38.380 Maybe they are, I don't know.
00:51:39.860 but we went and played there, and then we went and played the Knick in Birmingham, Alabama.
00:51:44.640 And we walked on stage at the Knick, and there was one man standing in front of us.
00:51:50.220 And there was a couple guys playing pool, someone at the bar.
00:51:53.460 And who was it, the IRS or whatever?
00:51:55.660 He was the only guy that was there for the music.
00:51:58.660 So nobody even knew.
00:52:00.380 You guys were actually practicing.
00:52:01.960 Yeah, it was just like—
00:52:03.320 To get you the feel of walking out there.
00:52:04.880 We just needed to walk on a stage before we go to the U.K.,
00:52:08.480 and there's actually people there.
00:52:10.800 And so the guy that was in front of us,
00:52:13.380 obviously the first thing he said was Free Bird.
00:52:16.100 And we're like, we ain't there yet, man.
00:52:18.200 We're not even there yet.
00:52:19.520 Yeah, we don't know how to play our songs,
00:52:21.320 let alone Leonard Skinner's.
00:52:23.260 Bro, what the heck?
00:52:24.680 And then we went and played a few shows,
00:52:27.280 and they said, all right, you boys are going to London.
00:52:29.600 We landed in London.
00:52:33.240 On the way to the hotel, we heard our song.
00:52:38.480 pulled they pulled the van over and we're all like yeah we get back in it they change the station
00:52:43.540 there's another song so of the three or four songs that were on our ep we heard like two or three of
00:52:49.740 them on the way to the hotel so then we went and had to play uh our first concert and it was like
00:52:56.180 the new rock revivals what they called it so it was like a bunch of bands that had you know been
00:53:04.840 playing it was a band called the datsuns from australia and they had tight pants and ripping
00:53:11.520 guitar solos the datsuns yeah and there was a band called sleepy jackson who ended up being
00:53:18.600 empire the sun um but these guys all got up there and were ripping but we were more popular than
00:53:26.600 them oh so we had to play after all these guys and we didn't know what the hell we were doing
00:53:31.360 and did that feel like scared like oh my god how can we even do this because that seems like
00:53:34.960 like recently this is not a comparison at all but recently i had to go dj one time right i'd never
00:53:41.160 dj'd before in my life i'm thinking like oh i can do this the second i got near it and it was like
00:53:46.620 there's probably eight or nine thousand people there i was like i can't do that i don't even
00:53:50.460 know what i'm doing right yeah like what did that even feel like that had to be crazy i just remember
00:53:55.300 before we walked on you know we looked at each other and we're like what are we going to do
00:54:00.980 And I said, just play it very fast and very country.
00:54:05.600 I said, because that's the one thing that these people don't have that we do.
00:54:09.400 I was like, we have a southern sound.
00:54:11.760 You know, these guys sound Australian.
00:54:13.820 These guys sound British.
00:54:15.580 And so we went up there, and from the first note, man, the crowd knew the songs,
00:54:22.080 and it's never stopped over there for us.
00:54:25.360 It was like out of the gates, big there.
00:54:27.880 And then we come back home, and we land, and our mom's waiting there at baggage claim.
00:54:34.060 Nobody knows who we are.
00:54:35.400 For years, nobody knows who we are.
00:54:37.320 Yeah, it felt like.
00:54:38.280 So you had this secret place.
00:54:39.720 It was almost like falling through Narnia or something, and you're there.
00:54:43.340 Yeah, we'd go to the Barnes & Noble or whatever it was when we got back to Nashville.
00:54:50.200 And we'd go to the magazine section, and we're on the cover of Enemy Magazine
00:54:54.940 and like all these British magazines and then nobody knows who we are
00:55:01.780 and everybody snickers at us when we walk into, you know, the restaurant
00:55:05.880 because we've got bell-bottoms and we're like, you know, this was England.
00:55:09.520 You'd be happy we were here.
00:55:11.040 Yeah, Viva Manchester.
00:55:12.700 Yeah, you were just over there.
00:55:15.540 Wow, bro.
00:55:16.820 Yeah.
00:55:17.480 Was anybody able to explain to you why you were so popular there?
00:55:22.260 Like what made you so popular to that audience?
00:55:24.940 I think they started telling our story from the moment that our music hit the radio.
00:55:32.280 And they're like, oh, check out this band, man.
00:55:34.180 These guys are crazy. 0.64
00:55:35.280 They're Southern guys. 1.00
00:55:36.460 Their dad's a preacher.
00:55:38.340 They tell these gothic tales about our upbringing and stuff.
00:55:43.860 And so all the press was just fascinated with who we were, the fact that we're brothers.
00:55:49.400 They didn't believe that.
00:55:50.580 they would always be trying to like get us to swab check our dna they'd be like you guys aren't
00:55:56.140 brothers like all this is made up and so it was once again trying to prove our worth
00:56:01.960 dude that's so wild yeah it was crazy wow so we came home but we played every
00:56:07.980 dive in nashville before i was even i mean i wasn't old enough to be in the room so as soon
00:56:15.500 as we'd play they'd come like get out yeah like you know you're not old enough to be in this bar
00:56:19.880 um we would go to every writer's night anything that we could do to kind of
00:56:25.220 get experience and and keep playing and keep writing um but yeah then we would
00:56:32.220 always like we'd always get on the airplane and go over there and it was things were different
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00:58:02.440 Did you see that Robbie Williams movie?
00:58:06.500 Mrs. Doubtfire?
00:58:07.820 No.
00:58:08.500 it's a better man dude this movie's so good it didn't get a lot of like a claim or people
00:58:19.360 wanted to watch it or whatever um he took on this uh was he the monkey yeah he just they put a monkey
00:58:26.420 face on they turn him into a monkey the character for some reason so everybody else in the movie is
00:58:30.580 a human he's a monkey um and he doesn't act like he's just he acts like he's a human but he just
00:58:35.180 happens to be a monkey but this movie was great um wow but it just makes me think about robbie
00:58:39.860 williams like so big in one place and just a different amount of an audience in another place
00:58:44.720 or having to build it in another place you know i know he had kind of a similar career kind of uh
00:58:48.840 where he would come here and it just wasn't the same as when he was in the uk when we'd go over
00:58:53.960 there all of their like all the big celebrities we didn't know who they were yeah um and then you
00:59:00.000 pretty quickly start to realize who is who and um did you ever get to meet like prince harry or
00:59:05.900 anything like that like did it get oh yeah yeah or prince william or whatever who's yeah or who's
00:59:10.860 the prince both of them were yeah i think only one of them is now right one of them got unprinced or
00:59:17.540 whatever damn did harry loses i don't know i don't know either but i played ping pong with harry he's
00:59:23.720 good ping pong player i know that uh william never met william but we did play a show that he was 0.91
00:59:30.380 like the he hosted it um but we never actually got to meet him that's wild to have that experience
00:59:37.260 over there um i saw where you guys had gotten a tour with bob dylan yeah and we had billy strings
00:59:45.640 on it was probably one of my like i saw that one dude what i i love billy strings yeah man he's
00:59:50.520 great he's just such a open book kind of i guess um but uh yeah he had he just had like kind of
00:59:58.220 this wild experience with bob dylan where he had written a letter to bob dylan and then bob dylan
01:00:02.000 had written him back and then and then he got to go and tour with him in open an open forum
01:00:05.620 um what was it like was that one of your early opening experiences kind of yeah that was one of
01:00:11.380 our earlier ones and he had personally requested us apparently he had a radio show and we had heard
01:00:19.180 kind of whispers of it but they were like um his radio show every night he plays y'all and talks
01:00:26.240 about you guys wow and i think it was another thing where he liked the story um and so they
01:00:32.420 you know we got the offer and we were like of course we want to go play with bob dylan you
01:00:37.260 know that's amazing obviously and uh i remember we we went out there and um you know we never saw
01:00:45.940 him and and then we were in the dressing room one night and i smelled like a cigarette behind me
01:00:55.380 and he went like hey and i turned around i was like oh god it was bob dylan and he's like
01:01:01.620 what's that last song you play i said oh it's called tranny he went that's a hell of a song
01:01:08.760 I was like, whoa, man, that was Bob Dylan just told me that. 0.95
01:01:13.620 And that was it.
01:01:14.880 And then the last night of the tour, they're like, hey,
01:01:19.060 Bob wants to come say goodbye to you guys.
01:01:21.940 And so he came and gave us all a hug, and that was kind of it.
01:01:26.000 But, yeah, he was one of the first iconic American artists
01:01:32.700 that took us under his wing and gave us a stage.
01:01:37.900 Wow.
01:01:38.760 Yeah, there's always a lot of lore kind of around, like, his appearances or, like, his involvement sometimes with other musicians.
01:01:44.400 Or, like, yeah, he seems to keep this sort of almost just, like, this shadow type of.
01:01:54.620 Yeah, his crew, his, like, the guy that's playing guitar with him was a friend of ours who lives in Nashville.
01:02:04.240 And so he came to talk to us, and he would, we were playing outside of Chicago.
01:02:09.180 And so he came over to us.
01:02:10.200 He's like, where are y'all staying?
01:02:12.200 And it wasn't anything nice, but it was in Chicago where we're staying.
01:02:15.140 He was like, man, we're so jealous.
01:02:17.000 He's like, Bob only stays in holiday inns or places that he can open his window to smoke cigarettes.
01:02:26.900 So they were staying like in a little motel, and we were the opening band, and we were staying in the city.
01:02:32.840 So they were like, man, we wish we were staying where you guys were staying.
01:02:36.020 But I think that's awesome.
01:02:37.140 Um, it's like, you imagine if you were staying at Holiday Inn and there's, you're like, I
01:02:43.280 swear that guy next to us looked like Bob Dylan smoking out of his window.
01:02:47.000 Yeah.
01:02:47.640 That was Bob Dylan.
01:02:49.560 And you could probably fit in because there's probably a lot of dudes that look like Bob
01:02:52.980 Dylan smoking out of their window over there.
01:02:55.320 Yeah.
01:02:55.560 That's classic, dude.
01:02:57.300 Um, not, not a lot of people get to have the opportunity to kind of like go through fame,
01:03:02.520 like with their brothers and with family.
01:03:05.860 Like can fame and popularity, can that like even ruin like a brotherhood in a way or like what kind of extra stresses can that cause on like a brotherly relationship that some of us might not be able to see?
01:03:18.080 You know, fame is, you know, there's a lot of baggage that comes along with it, a lot of pressure, and to have your brothers with you kind of going through it, it helps.
01:03:36.380 But it also, you know, it's your brothers, you're competitive.
01:03:41.680 So we fought a lot, but we also fought together a lot.
01:03:48.260 You know, it was us versus the world.
01:03:50.200 But having your brothers with you was, you know, it was great and it was awful and it was all of those things.
01:03:57.580 It's just you're all going through these strange experiences and you're in ruin.
01:04:04.680 Like I said, you know, you're in these rooms where you don't feel like you belong and everybody is accomplished and everyone's like something.
01:04:13.060 And you're still in your mind.
01:04:14.840 You're just these little poor kids from Tennessee or whatever.
01:04:18.780 So having my brothers with me was always awesome because we keep each other in check a little too much sometimes, you know.
01:04:26.660 um it was cool and i feel like now that we've gone through everything that we've gone through
01:04:35.060 we can now appreciate it even more you know that we were there for each other because
01:04:40.480 we probably wouldn't have survived you know it's yeah like what is the survival rate of
01:04:46.880 a musician, a rock band, you know, most of them die or, you know, become addicts and just lose
01:04:57.200 everything and lose their minds. Um, and we did a little bit of all that, but I think the fact
01:05:04.500 that we were there together, we never allowed ourselves to get too far gone. You know, we could
01:05:12.600 always no matter what you know no matter how much fun you're having um you still you look over at 0.96
01:05:20.560 your little brother you know and you go like damn i'm supposed to be the one helping him you know
01:05:26.560 oh i'm supposed to be the good example here you know you see your little brother when he was 0.95
01:05:32.220 little um so having that to kind of keep you in check it helped you sometimes sometimes oh yeah
01:05:40.600 not always but yeah dude sometimes uh but yeah you know anytime you can have a support system
01:05:50.000 with you to go through the highs and the lows you need that because doing it by yourself
01:05:56.880 i really feel sorry for artists or musicians that kind of get so big and then and really the whole
01:06:07.740 time it's happening you're so alone you know eventually you start looking around going these
01:06:14.280 people are all making money from me they don't care like they're employees yeah or even if they
01:06:19.420 weren't in the beginning sometimes friends become employees oh yeah yeah i mean that's that's just
01:06:23.660 how it goes and you need something to ground you and we had each other um and we still need it
01:06:30.120 Every now and then we still need to keep each other in check.
01:06:34.740 But, yeah, man, it was at times it seemed hard.
01:06:38.680 And at times, you know, you want to be like, oh, screw this, man.
01:06:41.300 I don't need you guys.
01:06:43.040 You know, I can go do this on my own.
01:06:46.740 But I never wanted that.
01:06:48.340 You know, I always wanted us to be able to do this together, you know,
01:06:51.760 because that was our thing, you know.
01:06:54.400 It's like when we'd walk into the YMCA, it was us.
01:06:58.780 we were the basketball team didn't matter who else was there it was like you're gonna play
01:07:02.940 against us right you know this is my family right and so that's how we have always approached this
01:07:09.260 career too it doesn't matter how big the band is that might be playing after us or how many albums
01:07:16.860 they've sold it's hard to it's hard to beat family you know like we have something that
01:07:24.220 I don't care how skilled you are as your instrument and how much money you make.
01:07:29.700 When you put a family together, you have the instinct and this connection that you might not be the greatest in the world,
01:07:39.160 but when you're together, it sounds like you are.
01:07:41.400 And it's like, ooh, there's something there.
01:07:43.220 You know, when you hear sibling harmonies, you know, you hear a brother and a sister or two brothers sing together.
01:07:49.380 Yeah.
01:07:50.040 It sounds like angels because their voices just link right up.
01:07:54.220 Um, and I feel like that's, that's how we have survived as long as we have is that we
01:08:01.120 have something about us that you can't quite put your finger on.
01:08:04.060 And I think it's just our family connection.
01:08:06.200 It's each other.
01:08:06.940 Yeah.
01:08:08.140 Yeah.
01:08:08.460 There's been times in my life where I would be like, I'd be like the one who would be
01:08:11.220 like kind of telling my friends like, Hey man, this isn't how we should be doing this.
01:08:15.500 And then two weeks later, I'm the one who's like hoping that they'll be telling me like,
01:08:19.480 Oh yeah.
01:08:19.920 Hey man, this isn't how we should be doing this.
01:08:22.260 Yeah.
01:08:22.480 You know?
01:08:22.840 um and i can certainly relate to like the trap of like uh oh i can do this by myself yeah oh yeah
01:08:30.600 you start to believe what you hear and you know there's people putting those thoughts in your head
01:08:36.120 too you know yeah sometimes it'd be so much easier if it was you know they save so much money if you
01:08:41.440 if we just get you out there and you go you know not extra hotel rooms not the thing and you start
01:08:48.100 to go, yeah, you know what? That sounds
01:08:49.960 pretty good. That'd look good up there
01:08:52.100 on Caleb Falwell instead
01:08:54.020 of, you know, Kings of Leon.
01:08:56.020 But that's the devil, though. Yeah.
01:08:58.300 Yeah, it was actually the devil that was whispering
01:08:59.960 to me.
01:09:02.000 He used to work for us. Did you guys have some bad
01:09:04.000 influences? No, I mean,
01:09:06.320 yes, but we didn't actually
01:09:08.240 employ the devil, I don't think.
01:09:10.220 We could have.
01:09:12.200 Yeah, you never know, huh? We had a couple
01:09:14.120 of demons working for us, I think, probably.
01:09:16.180 But sometimes it's tough to know that just like a lot of that's greed, control.
01:09:22.680 Yeah.
01:09:23.520 And also, you know, I feel like people get obsessed with, I don't know if celebrity is the right word.
01:09:33.340 But, you know, that's why like L.A. has always been a weird place to me because you hear the way everyone just, like there's one person at the table who's the person.
01:09:43.680 And then everyone around them is just, like, filling them with such bullshit about how perfect they – you know, everything is just, like, candy and roses.
01:09:54.420 And, you know, that starts to happen. 0.83
01:09:56.700 You start to get people that, you know, they want to be a part of your rise or whatever.
01:10:03.520 So I think their thing is, like, pull you away from everyone, and then I'll be there with you.
01:10:10.120 You know, it's kind of like that.
01:10:12.340 I don't know.
01:10:12.880 it's all kind of scary yeah i mean like i remember one time i was talking with ben affleck and i
01:10:17.520 wanted to ask him i didn't exactly but like whenever he became because he and his brother
01:10:23.040 both have a have experienced fame and popularity for their um acting and different stuff but i was
01:10:28.140 like will your brother's like affections for you ever be a nut like ever be able to live up to this
01:10:33.800 like these hypothetical affections of fans and of of popularity like so that was one thing but that
01:10:39.820 kind of stuff is always interesting to me yeah you know like if earth's son has a father that's
01:10:43.920 famous like do they ever worry like how much i care about my dad will never be able to um be the
01:10:50.820 same as how much these people that don't even know him care about yeah yeah that scares me
01:10:56.600 all the time you know as a parent you don't first of all you don't want them to see you the way that
01:11:03.340 everyone else sees you you know you want them to see you as the dad you know that i'm here for you
01:11:10.020 you know whatever you need i'm the guy that's going to give it to you i'm going to be the one
01:11:14.220 that picks up the call when you need me um but then when they see you on tv or hear your music
01:11:21.740 or see the way people look at you then they kind of start you don't you don't want them to see you
01:11:26.800 that way you want them to always be embarrassed by you as their dad you know you want to be
01:11:32.660 corny and you want to be those things. Um, but like as a band, we all have experienced a level
01:11:40.300 of fame or success, but I was still the one with the microphone. So even though we're all kind of
01:11:49.000 doing this, you still have those moments where, you know, your ego kind of pulls you a little
01:11:58.440 away from everyone and so I imagine there were times when they were probably all like screw this
01:12:03.860 guy you know because I'm you know I have had an ego at times and it's hard not to yeah especially
01:12:13.000 if you're living a wild crazy you know debaucherous life yeah you can start to believe the hype and
01:12:21.340 start to think like yeah I don't need these people and I tried to not be that way but I'm
01:12:27.660 sure there was levels of that um did you notice yourself or how do you even check back in right
01:12:34.340 like because your ego is so crazy i think about this kind of stuff a lot and it's like it's almost
01:12:39.620 like this shadow that grows right you kind of don't even know what it's where it's growing like
01:12:44.620 yeah you know and you can kind of latch on to different ideas and it feels like its goal is
01:12:50.680 just to get you to be by yourself like this isolation thing yeah and you know i i went
01:12:57.180 through times when i was drinking real bad and um yeah and that in and of itself i felt like i was
01:13:05.780 trying to punish myself because i didn't like the person that i was becoming or i didn't like
01:13:13.580 the way that everyone else was seeing me so we'd be out there on the road and i was so alone
01:13:20.680 You know, everyone hated me, everyone in my crew, everyone in my band.
01:13:26.960 You know, you could just sense it.
01:13:28.980 You walk out there to do a sound check.
01:13:31.740 Everybody's afraid to look at you.
01:13:32.920 Yeah.
01:13:33.400 You just want them to look at you.
01:13:35.180 You just want anyone to just make you feel like it's okay or it's not okay.
01:13:41.920 You just want to feel anything.
01:13:43.680 You're just in a cold, empty arena, and everybody's looking down.
01:13:48.100 and a lot of times that's where I would end up writing songs
01:13:51.480 is because I was like, well, I'm going to get them to notice me.
01:13:55.900 So I would walk up to the mic with my guitar
01:13:58.160 and I would start singing something or playing something
01:14:00.980 and then slowly you hear the bass join in,
01:14:04.060 then the drums come, then before you know it,
01:14:06.660 you're all kind of playing.
01:14:07.720 It's like, all right, we're back, we're back.
01:14:11.800 But yeah, I mean, it's hard to experience something
01:14:16.400 that we've experienced and you not have little moments of selfishness and just feeling like
01:14:24.420 you're better than other people and i know they've all felt that too you know yeah they've had their
01:14:28.980 moments where they pull away and you know but i guess it's part of it yeah well it's a crazy thing
01:14:34.820 to happen in life is like some like kind of to achieve a level i think of popularity and a level
01:14:41.200 of like, um, creation where you've created something that's kind of infected so many
01:14:47.020 people, like positively infected, I mean, but like, or like, you know, uh, touched so
01:14:52.720 many people.
01:14:53.400 Yeah.
01:14:53.720 Um, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's a rare thing to happen in a human life.
01:14:58.020 Right.
01:14:58.360 Yeah.
01:14:58.760 And it's scary.
01:14:59.600 It's, it's like, cause you think so many things would be kind of perfect from this, from that
01:15:04.180 sort of experience, but there's a lot that goes on.
01:15:06.440 I do think it's interesting that, that you said that like, you know, like you could be
01:15:10.740 like so alone and you'd start in and then the other instrument would come in yeah and you always
01:15:15.260 it's kind of cool it's like oh we're putting a band back together it's almost like all right
01:15:18.960 this family we're gonna we're gonna make it through a real more ride here yep yep get the
01:15:22.640 duct tape man we're gonna we're gonna make this thing work yeah sometimes i would get like i was
01:15:26.840 in a spot where i had a drink before i would go on stage yeah and that was tough because then it
01:15:31.540 was like um i couldn't even have fun out there in a way yeah unless i'd had a drink oh man yeah
01:15:38.000 you get into a cycle and that's a bad place to be.
01:15:40.860 Oh yeah.
01:15:41.580 It's like,
01:15:42.140 well,
01:15:42.300 you know,
01:15:42.880 I'm a,
01:15:43.300 I'm a creature of habit.
01:15:44.660 So like every morning I wake up at the,
01:15:48.040 you know,
01:15:48.260 my habits have changed.
01:15:49.400 They're better now,
01:15:50.220 but I wake,
01:15:50.860 I have a whole routine in the morning.
01:15:53.060 And back then I had a whole routine leading up to the show.
01:15:57.820 Um,
01:15:58.660 and so you do the thing and then you go out there and you start to realize
01:16:03.740 like,
01:16:04.020 this is the person they expect.
01:16:05.920 So I got to keep doing it.
01:16:07.620 You know, you got to keep being that guy out there on stage.
01:16:11.900 Right.
01:16:12.260 And I look back and there were years that I just don't remember playing a show that I enjoyed.
01:16:20.040 Like I didn't.
01:16:21.300 I was mad on stage and the madder I got, the more the crowd loved it.
01:16:27.300 The more I spit, the more they were just like, yeah, he's doing the thing.
01:16:33.940 Yeah, dude.
01:16:34.780 And you just look back and go like, man, that was a lot of years of just kind of thinking that you were doing something special, but really you were just hurting yourself and you were losing inspiration.
01:16:50.860 And now, you know, a lot of times people don't really want to hear a lot of bands' newest music.
01:16:56.960 You know, nobody wants to hear the new album of a band that's been around for a long time.
01:17:01.620 And it's like you go to a concert and they break into a new song.
01:17:03.860 It's like, oh, come on.
01:17:06.920 But the music that we're making now, I feel like all those years of being in that pattern,
01:17:18.280 I feel like I'm making up for it now because I love doing the work now.
01:17:24.460 I love playing the show.
01:17:26.620 I love connecting with the crowd and actually talking to them.
01:17:29.540 I mean, for 10 years, I never spoke to the crowd, ever.
01:17:34.000 Really?
01:17:34.620 I thought it was Johnny Cash.
01:17:36.280 I'd go out and say, thank you, we're Kings of Leon, and that was it.
01:17:39.860 And we'd rip through a set, and that was only talking.
01:17:43.160 And now I'm like, I want to say a little something.
01:17:46.700 I want to see how Boise's doing tonight.
01:17:51.960 Dude, that's cool, man.
01:17:53.780 Wow.
01:17:54.220 um the new album is oh my beloved um and it's out today yep nice yeah man what makes it so that now
01:18:03.880 you're at a point where you can kind of package all this together and it feels like um you want
01:18:09.940 to make music again is that a safe way to say it well i just feel like with this album i kind of
01:18:16.440 really started to look back on my life and where we are now and all of the things that we have
01:18:22.880 accomplished along the way through those years when I wasn't enjoying it I can now look at it
01:18:28.840 through a different lens and just be like man look at how far we made it you know we always said
01:18:35.440 if we could ever sell like uh 10,000 albums then that meant one time a year we could play
01:18:44.020 one concert for 10,000 people we didn't realize that you have to travel but like for us it was
01:18:51.120 like you know if we can just play a concert in front of a big crowd one day that would be awesome
01:18:56.680 yeah and now look back at all the things that have happened but not just success but like
01:19:02.460 who we are now and the fact that we all are good men who are raising families and we're
01:19:09.960 present and we're we've become you know we beat we beat the statistics you know we're
01:19:17.820 we survived
01:19:19.440 and we're still here
01:19:20.800 so I feel like a lot of these songs
01:19:23.760 are full of gratitude and appreciation
01:19:25.900 for the way
01:19:28.060 we were raised
01:19:28.960 the man that we've become, the journey
01:19:31.700 just the bumpy road
01:19:33.860 that led to where we are
01:19:36.020 right now and a lot of those songs
01:19:38.340 you know
01:19:38.840 there's little lyrics throughout that are from
01:19:42.000 childhood all the way
01:19:44.000 to yesterday
01:19:45.700 you know it's like
01:19:46.880 i just feel like now i'm i'm finally i'm okay with being me and um i'm happy with
01:19:57.360 if this is the end i'm happy with everything that we've done and it's
01:20:01.740 much bigger than i ever thought it could be yeah i know you guys were touring crazy like from the
01:20:07.920 2008 album from that success um till like 2011 or 2012 um has there been like a hiatus since then or
01:20:16.020 no we've been we've been at it we've taken a couple little breaks um but we kind of like just
01:20:23.340 i feel like we kind of faded into the background a little bit we tried to
01:20:28.460 just do whatever we had to do and nothing more um so a lot of people you know think that we
01:20:37.760 haven't been working or weren't making records or touring it's like we were we just
01:20:43.340 you know we weren't loud about it we kind of just tried to i don't know we wanted to blend in we
01:20:50.600 just didn't want to stand out um so there were some years you know that it just felt like
01:20:57.100 you know it wasn't inspired um well especially with the success that you guys had right
01:21:04.160 with your i think it was a 2008 album um i mean that success was yeah astronomical oh yeah that
01:21:12.820 was only by the night 2008 kings of leon's best-selling and most successful album worldwide
01:21:18.600 sales over 6.2 million copies sold um over 4.7 billion streams on spotify and i don't even know
01:21:25.600 what date this is debuted at number five on the billboard 200 131 consecutive weeks in the top
01:21:30.960 75 you had to like y'all's music even if you didn't want to dude that's how huge it was yeah
01:21:36.820 we didn't like it we did we did not like that um you didn't like what like how big it got you
01:21:43.680 yeah that was that was when like the rough times started um just the real weight of like
01:21:53.800 actual big time success here at home everywhere i'm still to this day i mean
01:22:00.820 you know doesn't matter where we go we play songs from that album sex on fire or you somebody 0.99
01:22:07.400 and i've said it before but i'm i feel like we could play those songs at a funeral and the damn 0.97
01:22:14.360 corpse would sit up and start clapping because you know everybody knows them you know so like 0.95
01:22:19.160 any you know that's a revival yeah exactly um but that you know that that pressure got to us
01:22:26.460 And I feel like that was when we kind of had some dark times, you know, we weren't ready
01:22:30.920 for that.
01:22:31.700 Yeah.
01:22:32.760 And do you think anybody could be ready for that?
01:22:35.000 Or it's just too much like of you, you know what I'm saying?
01:22:37.960 Like, is it like, what is that?
01:22:39.440 Cause it's like some people you're right.
01:22:41.720 Like don't get to go to this.
01:22:43.280 Like it's almost like sending somebody out into space, right?
01:22:47.760 Cause it's a scary place.
01:22:49.420 There's just tons of whatever you want kind of.
01:22:51.660 Oh, yeah.
01:22:53.000 And it's all like the kind of the sin, anything.
01:22:56.460 You have access to whatever, really, you know, and your own ego can grow.
01:23:00.960 It's like it's a scary place to go.
01:23:03.520 It's a Mordor.
01:23:04.860 Yeah.
01:23:05.720 Well, I feel like at that point we were kind of doing like this,
01:23:09.140 and it was like naturally growing, and then it went poof.
01:23:13.000 And when that happened, it was like it kind of threw us all.
01:23:17.420 And then I feel like we spent some years either trying to run away from that,
01:23:22.860 and then there were times where we tried to maybe recreate that.
01:23:27.540 And it's like it was a moment that it happened,
01:23:30.780 and anytime you try to repeat success, it doesn't happen.
01:23:37.260 It just ends up being like a watered-down version of something.
01:23:41.280 So, yeah, those years, I feel like we just kind of struggled with it.
01:23:45.300 And it's been recently that I feel like we've kind of found our footing
01:23:51.820 and just, like, have become, you know, in my opinion,
01:23:57.240 well, I don't want to say that, but I don't care who's playing.
01:24:03.460 You put us out there, we'll hold our own.
01:24:06.280 I don't care who it is.
01:24:07.640 And there was a lot of times that I couldn't say that,
01:24:10.180 but we've got years of experience,
01:24:12.900 but we're also we're just in a different place now and like i said we we walk out there and it's
01:24:20.420 like back in the day you know we look at each other and go like all right we're about to
01:24:23.700 if there's someone here that doesn't know who we are when we leave here they're gonna know who we
01:24:28.380 are you know and it it's you know i feel like that kind of youthful competitive uh spirit is back in
01:24:36.800 like you found yourself kind of yeah yeah we lost ourselves for a little while um do you think
01:24:43.080 anybody would have though yeah i don't think there's i mean i feel like i'm i feel like we're
01:24:49.420 fairly grounded people you know the way that we were raised and stuff and it affected us the way
01:24:55.080 that it did i can't imagine someone that didn't have a stable background or you know a supportive
01:25:02.460 parents
01:25:04.360 you know
01:25:04.860 that they are
01:25:06.600 the statistic
01:25:07.400 that doesn't survive
01:25:08.420 well yeah
01:25:09.060 I mean it's like
01:25:09.440 you guys
01:25:10.080 professional wrestlers
01:25:11.660 how'd you know
01:25:13.100 about that
01:25:13.600 those guys are
01:25:14.480 oh
01:25:14.820 I thought you said
01:25:15.500 you guys are
01:25:16.080 the follow well boys
01:25:17.940 that'd be a good one
01:25:18.900 Jerry the Kings
01:25:19.860 of Leon Lawler
01:25:21.080 yeah bro
01:25:23.120 that's a good one
01:25:24.060 I feel like it's like
01:25:26.540 rock stars
01:25:28.500 professional wrestlers
01:25:30.220 it's not
01:25:32.360 some don't have a second act a third you know they don't have a it's a dangerous life so it's
01:25:38.940 really a blessing but it's also a challenge really yeah i mean to be in a like a big rock band
01:25:47.240 you've kind of you're you're like what you're shooting for it is the tiniest little window
01:25:54.020 You know, it's like that window comes and goes, and then it's like, now what?
01:26:01.580 You're either dead or you're, you know, a caricature of yourself out there, bloated, like trying to put your tight pants on, go out there and do the dance that they liked back in the 2010s or whatever.
01:26:16.880 But I think it's like you have to evolve, but then also you want to give fans what they want, right?
01:26:22.920 So it's, I think it's just, in the end, it seems like it's a lot of us of coming to reckon with
01:26:28.080 yourself and with whatever's going on inside of ourselves. It's like, even with comedy, it's
01:26:33.040 like, sometimes it's like, I want to latch on to like things that used to work or try to do this
01:26:37.000 or something, but it's like, well, that's not exactly me anymore. In some ways it is. There's
01:26:42.020 a part of me still there, but that's not totally me. So if I just try to recreate that, which at
01:26:47.340 times you'll try to and stuff, it's like, yeah, it's just a trap, but it's also normal to try and
01:26:52.080 want to stay with what's safe you know I mean it's all just a I don't know it's all just interesting
01:26:57.800 it's a mind it's a it's it's a mind game um you learn a lot about yourself when you find success
01:27:06.420 you know it's like like I say the more I feel like the more you have the harder it is yeah
01:27:13.000 and when you just go and you're big and then you know you're the we were never that but like I
01:27:19.940 look at some of these pop stars and it's like you're the biggest thing in the world and you are
01:27:24.780 all alone oh i mean if you look at britney spirit she's spinning around by a fireplace with knives
01:27:30.120 every day she's got our music in the background sometimes yeah no way only by the night i'm
01:27:35.460 telling you it was a big record bro yeah when your record is the soundtrack for tough times
01:27:42.200 of mental health you've made it dude but isn't it crazy how we watch this and this has kind of
01:27:48.840 become normal for us too like in a way to just watch this and those dogs spell out help sometimes
01:27:54.080 with their bodies if you watch them long enough oh man she's from louisiana too right i know
01:27:59.820 but it's like you guys come up together no but uh we might have been around a little bit around
01:28:04.620 the same time a couple years but oh she's a little bit younger to me but you would definitely are
01:28:08.740 those real knives you think i mean even if they're not what is going on i mean you know i'm saying
01:28:15.520 What's going on?
01:28:16.120 And your music is inspiring it.
01:28:18.660 I know which song she's dancing to right there.
01:28:21.260 I know those moves.
01:28:22.600 So you tell me, dude.
01:28:25.100 Let me see.
01:28:25.900 Right here it says,
01:28:26.660 Studies show that rock and pop stars have a mortality rate
01:28:29.100 two to three times higher than the general population,
01:28:31.380 and fame reduces a musician's life expectancy
01:28:33.880 by roughly four to five years.
01:28:36.220 Hmm.
01:28:36.880 Thought it would take a little more than that off.
01:28:38.140 Four to five years?
01:28:39.540 Yeah, right.
01:28:40.980 What was their life expectancy before?
01:28:43.120 They're dead at 23.
01:28:44.440 Isn't that the number?
01:28:45.400 that's a 27 what they're supposed to live to 32 what year is this the club 20 the 30s
01:28:52.580 the club 27 myth research published in the journal epidemiology and community health
01:28:58.980 dismissed the popular myth that rock stars uniquely die at age 27 like jimmy hendrix or
01:29:02.780 kurt cobain the statistical risk is spread out over years of high-risk lifestyles you know it's
01:29:08.440 interesting because you want to go see your rock star right you want to see them be a rock star
01:29:14.000 but if they were to continue to be a rock star like they wouldn't be there to perform anymore
01:29:20.940 oh yeah um like i went and saw 311 the other day like um i was in austin and i was at the airport
01:29:27.460 and uh and i saw this guy and i was like you look so familiar and he's like um i'm nick and i was
01:29:35.060 like i'm theo and i was like nick and he's like hexam and i was like oh my god dude and i like
01:29:41.900 the biggest smile came on my face it didn't even come from me it just came from like
01:29:46.880 I think when I was a kid or something and I was like hey can I give you a hug and it was just the
01:29:53.420 craziest thing it was like I don't know and he's like yeah sure man and so me and him were just
01:30:00.460 hugging my baggage claim but it was like I don't know it was just so cool it was like
01:30:05.420 it was just part of me that I think I'd even forgot about some of the stuff I liked so much
01:30:09.980 when i was young and then hear that part of me had a moment like and it ran into something that
01:30:14.700 like kind of meant a lot to it or and it was just like anyway that was like just like this moment
01:30:19.040 i was like wow this is um i don't know i gotten so busy sometimes doing whatever that sometimes
01:30:24.860 i've forgotten about things that really brought me a lot of joy um and then anyway we got to go
01:30:29.280 to the concert and um hexam is sober right so he doesn't drink or do drugs so it's like but i don't
01:30:35.080 know if he had stayed on an old path if he's still you know i'm saying i don't know if i get to see
01:30:38.700 him again or if like a lot of your favorite musicians if you get to see him again you know
01:30:43.740 yeah and if they stay on that path the version that you do see is is like oh man yeah or elvis
01:30:54.180 you know his final his final days it's like you see him and it's like i love elvis obviously being
01:31:01.220 a memphis guy um yeah but there's something sad about it yeah because it's like man you could see
01:31:07.440 like he had to go up there and be Elvis and he was he was struggling you know um and I feel like
01:31:14.540 we all if you're in music or not we all have those musical moments from our past from our childhood
01:31:21.660 that you're just like oh man that that song takes me right to this moment and that takes me there
01:31:28.760 and you want to see that but the thing is we all get older we all you know our bodies everything
01:31:38.180 changes yeah none of us are none of us look the way we did in high school or college or whatever
01:31:44.680 but when you had that poster on your wall and you go to the concert you're expecting that poster
01:31:49.620 and then it's like here comes kind of a chubby version of it and you're like oh man that ain't
01:31:55.760 the poster i want my money back yeah dude and you know what it's this weird thing i think of like
01:32:01.960 if you have some sort of popularity that happens you're trying to live up to the poster
01:32:05.740 yeah and that's such a it's like which by the way we need to start making posters again man
01:32:11.260 what happened to those you used to go to walmart you sat there and thumbed through that big giant
01:32:15.940 thing and it'd be like oh yeah sudsy girl on a car and then it'd be like jonathan taylor thomas
01:32:21.900 and then it'd be like all these
01:32:24.200 teeny bopper stars
01:32:25.940 and then there's Keanu Reeves
01:32:27.700 and you're like what the heck
01:32:28.940 Schwarzenegger all the time
01:32:30.840 oh dude and sometimes it would just be a big 1.00
01:32:33.940 pair of breasts or whatever 0.96
01:32:35.200 and be like it's warm outside ain't it or something 0.95
01:32:37.480 and you'd be like
01:32:39.120 it is now
01:32:39.900 I want this framed mom
01:32:43.080 you'd get something like that framed
01:32:45.940 for Christmas
01:32:46.620 I think we had Kathy Ireland
01:32:49.600 on our wall 1.00
01:32:50.880 some of those old Sports Illustrated
01:32:53.120 we had Kathy Scotland 0.99
01:32:54.600 not as good looking 0.98
01:32:55.560 but a good attitude
01:32:58.980 that's what we had
01:33:00.700 oh but yeah Kurt Cobain
01:33:02.880 and when those magazines would come
01:33:05.200 we were big in
01:33:06.880 Aerosmith
01:33:08.160 Def Leppard, GNR
01:33:10.520 all those magazines
01:33:12.140 and you'd see them all bloodied up
01:33:14.440 one of them got like Sebastian Bach
01:33:17.060 every week he'd gotten hit by a bottle
01:33:18.740 somewhere 0.99
01:33:19.340 you know outside of the roxy yeah always like that it was probably all mythological shit but 0.57
01:33:25.320 we're just sitting there just absorbing it you know dude that was so much fun i miss those i
01:33:31.580 miss some of those times man um your your band that's going back on tour it's the same
01:33:37.480 uh members as always yeah me my two brothers my cousin um yeah it's us man it's always been us
01:33:46.240 It's never been anything else, yeah.
01:33:48.260 And what's something that you kind of, like, admire about each one of those guys, kind of?
01:33:52.860 Oh, man.
01:33:54.260 I love those guys.
01:33:56.920 I mean, besides the fact that we've kind of all gone through it together, we all have our role.
01:34:03.800 We all have something that we bring to the band that makes us who we are.
01:34:11.160 And it doesn't necessarily mean on stage or in the studio.
01:34:14.200 So personality-wise, you know, Nathan being the elder statesman,
01:34:18.660 he was the one that always felt like he was watching over us, you know,
01:34:23.460 even when he wasn't.
01:34:25.600 You know, none of us, we weren't watching anything.
01:34:29.200 But he always seemed like he was, you know, he was the guy that would,
01:34:33.620 if somebody said something about us,
01:34:36.360 he would push everyone behind him and want to fight for us, you know.
01:34:41.700 Jared is, you know, he's my little brother.
01:34:43.940 He's just funny and got a big heart and, um, just, you know, we still laugh like we did
01:34:51.600 back when we were kids.
01:34:53.380 Um, Matthew is, you know, he's, he's the cousin.
01:34:58.680 So there's that, uh, you know, he probably has a little chip on his shoulder.
01:35:03.980 Um, does he cause he's the, cause he's just like, I don't think he does.
01:35:07.360 He, he, you know, he's, he's always been cool.
01:35:09.380 We always assumed it, but, um, oh yeah.
01:35:12.560 the cousin you know because you're out there with three brothers and we all have our you know we
01:35:17.320 have our inside jokes and now he's in on everything but there was a couple years where
01:35:22.180 i'm sure you know it seemed like we were you guys against him sometimes it felt like no i didn't
01:35:28.880 didn't seem like it to us but you know we were always trying to be funny and usually when you're
01:35:32.840 trying to be funny it's at the expense of someone you know the cousin yeah whoever's not the brother
01:35:38.060 Or it's like, yeah, we're going to pick on you.
01:35:41.780 But they picked on me for a while, too.
01:35:44.900 They did?
01:35:45.300 We all got it.
01:35:46.540 You took your turns.
01:35:47.600 Yeah. 1.00
01:35:48.040 If I had a freaking cousin, dude, the shit I would do to him. 1.00
01:35:51.320 Oh, man, it's so fun. 1.00
01:35:52.920 I hope I never have one.
01:35:54.620 You probably do.
01:35:55.720 You're right. 0.96
01:35:57.180 Probably Britney Spears. 0.59
01:35:59.520 Hey, heavy on the Spears, huh? 1.00
01:36:02.200 I mean, damn. 1.00
01:36:03.900 She looks like, damn, Donatello out there or something. 1.00
01:36:06.640 I mean, Raphael. 0.99
01:36:08.520 It's Raphael, right? 1.00
01:36:09.440 Yeah, I mean, she's definitely a Louisiana snapping turdler. 0.88
01:36:12.720 I mean, that's crazy over there. 1.00
01:36:17.100 Before you leave, bro, how has your relationship with religion changed over time, if that's okay to ask you?
01:36:24.480 Yeah.
01:36:26.700 Well, it's, you know, it's been an evolution of kind of where we came from to where we are now.
01:36:34.540 I think the way that we grew up, we kind of saw behind the scenes and kind of how the sausage is made, I guess you'd say.
01:36:46.280 And so I got a little bitter for a while because there was times I felt like my dad kind of got pushed out because he was having normal struggles that a man goes through.
01:37:01.220 but he was supposed to be this perfect man, but he wasn't.
01:37:05.980 And so I got bitter for a while about that.
01:37:08.940 And so I feel like now my relationship with God is a personal relationship.
01:37:16.040 And I try to maintain it and try to, you know, I pray and I read the Bible.
01:37:24.600 But don't put me on a pedestal.
01:37:27.660 I'm far from perfect.
01:37:28.820 I make mistakes every day.
01:37:32.360 I'm just like everyone else, and I'm always searching.
01:37:35.300 I don't know all the answers.
01:37:37.500 I don't know what I believe all the time,
01:37:42.020 but I know I've always been searching for the answer,
01:37:46.460 and I'll keep searching, and maybe one day I'll find it,
01:37:52.360 or maybe I won't, and the journey is awesome.
01:37:56.620 You know, it's like that searching sometimes is the best part.
01:38:00.680 So I try to raise my kids right.
01:38:03.760 We were raised right, even outside of the religious aspect.
01:38:08.360 We were always just raised to be kind and considerate of others.
01:38:13.400 And like I said, when you grow up with nothing, you learn to love people for who they are.
01:38:20.220 And you don't love someone because they have something or because they're doing well.
01:38:26.080 In fact, a lot of times those people put you off because they aren't authentic
01:38:31.100 and they haven't had those experiences.
01:38:34.540 So, yeah, I don't know.
01:38:37.200 I feel like I'm always searching and, yeah, maybe one day I'll find what I'm looking for.
01:38:49.820 Yeah.
01:38:50.700 I mean, I think that's probably the creed of a lot of people probably, you know.
01:38:55.320 The truth, you know, a lot of people's truth is trying their best.
01:39:01.320 Sometimes our society makes it so tough to have time to have peace with yourself, you know, time to focus on and turn your attention to a higher power sometimes.
01:39:10.660 Yeah.
01:39:10.960 And I feel like you're always, you know, if you're doing it right, then maybe it's not doing it right.
01:39:20.080 I don't know.
01:39:20.440 but I feel like you do try to help other people even when you're struggling.
01:39:28.100 You see someone, you try to pick them up,
01:39:30.940 and then there's that voice in your head like,
01:39:34.300 why are you giving this person advice?
01:39:35.920 Look at you.
01:39:37.280 You don't even know the answer yourself, and you're trying to, you know.
01:39:41.500 But I feel like that's our, as humans, you know,
01:39:44.900 you want to take what little experience you have and pass it on to someone.
01:39:49.840 Yeah.
01:39:50.440 And then hopefully they'll hit you with something back.
01:39:52.660 And you're like, oh, thank God I needed that, you know?
01:39:55.280 Oh, yeah, dude.
01:39:56.640 I go to recovery meetings, and I'll go sit in meetings sometimes.
01:39:59.280 And it's like, oh, yeah, sometimes I'll hear somebody say something.
01:40:02.920 And I'll literally feel my shoulders go like.
01:40:05.780 Yeah, I'm not alone.
01:40:07.520 I took an exhale that, like, has been stuck in my lungs for 20 years.
01:40:12.740 It's like old air that won't come out.
01:40:14.720 And it's like because I heard them say something that I just couldn't say
01:40:17.860 or something that I needed to hear.
01:40:19.360 I don't even know.
01:40:20.720 I don't even know sometimes what the unlocking is.
01:40:24.520 But, yeah, and then any break I get from thinking about myself is nice, you know.
01:40:30.940 Yeah, and hopefully you have people either in your life or people that admire you
01:40:38.600 and they're praying for you or they're trying to help you get through
01:40:46.400 what you're going through, you know,
01:40:48.300 and maybe that's why you hear someone say something and it's like, oh,
01:40:52.380 someone knew I needed to hear that, you know, and maybe it was my, you know,
01:40:57.500 my uncle that said, that prayed for me or something.
01:41:00.280 And then that spoke through that guy and that guy didn't even know what he was
01:41:03.640 saying, but he was talking right to me, you know?
01:41:06.100 Amen. Yeah. I feel, I think about that stuff a lot. Yeah.
01:41:09.400 Cause it does feel like if you're praying that there's a power in it.
01:41:12.940 Oh, there's power in it. Yeah. You know, it feels like there's like, this is,
01:41:16.660 this does something this is not for naught you know it's almost it's an undeniable thing yeah
01:41:22.440 why would you do it if there wasn't right like i mean besides the burning of the calories but
01:41:27.140 you know lose a little weight
01:41:29.500 oh dude that's a great callback dude way to bring that full circle right there dude um
01:41:37.080 yeah do you ever see yourself ending up in a space with uh like doing revivals or something
01:41:42.540 like that we always used to say uh when we first started that one day we could see ourselves um
01:41:50.900 with our dad back up there and we were the band you know kind of like how bob dylan his band was
01:42:00.000 the band do you know the band so they're one of our favorite bands but they're they're called the
01:42:06.220 band um they were canadian um except for levon the drummer he was from arkansas but they were
01:42:14.200 bob dylan's band and then they went on to have massive success on their own and so i feel like
01:42:22.740 we all you know we imagine that one day that could be us and in this scenario this is a very small
01:42:30.260 church in the middle of nowhere this isn't like one of those i've never understood those big
01:42:36.340 super church things right where the lord comes down on a rope or whatever yeah yeah i never
01:42:42.420 understood that stuff but for me it was always what church was to us which was just four little
01:42:47.800 walls you could smell the furnace you know it was like everything was tight it was all plywood
01:42:54.080 and yeah but you know that was the best place in the in the town you know for that moment you got
01:43:00.400 that box rocking oh yeah so we could you know i think there's there's that kind of romantic fantasy
01:43:08.080 that perhaps one day that could happen but that's cool dude i would love that like that kid mason
01:43:14.840 locklear you ever seen that kid i don't know he's like this little kid he does um he's uh i think
01:43:22.280 he's pentecostal this hymn whoa don't add up to me i just want to i just want to point this out
01:43:28.380 don't add up to me you say that you're a christian right say that you're a christian i want you to
01:43:35.460 listen to me good you say you're a christian but you gave this kid is but you gave oh dang
01:43:42.960 you married a woman you married a man but you say you're a christian we can find another one
01:43:47.500 I mean, go read Leviticus 18 and 22 and see what it says.
01:43:54.620 It wasn't hitting a little too close to home, huh?
01:43:56.260 No, I'm just saying, bro.
01:43:59.100 That kid's wild in love.
01:44:00.720 I love his voice, man. 1.00
01:44:02.560 How are gay Christians doing, actually? 1.00
01:44:04.440 Look that up. 1.00
01:44:07.220 If you don't mind.
01:44:08.480 That's a good...
01:44:09.960 I haven't even looked that up in a long time.
01:44:12.540 You've looked it up before, though?
01:44:14.160 I'm sure.
01:44:15.420 Gay Christians today experience a widely polarized landscape
01:44:17.840 ranging from full theological affirmation and ordination
01:44:20.840 to strict expectations of celibacy or outright exclusion.
01:44:24.700 Overall, gay Christians are doing pretty good. 0.98
01:44:28.200 Hell yeah. 1.00
01:44:29.480 I knew it.
01:44:29.980 They're doing all right.
01:44:30.860 They're doing all right.
01:44:31.660 Look, dude.
01:44:32.200 All right.
01:44:33.120 There we go, man.
01:44:35.340 Well, now I'm going to go home and watch that little kid.
01:44:38.200 Oh, yeah.
01:44:38.660 You got to send me his name, man.
01:44:40.020 Oh, I'll see you.
01:44:40.580 That's going to be, my YouTube's going to be firing tonight
01:44:43.740 when I'm falling asleep.
01:44:44.880 oh yes firing and brimstone right there that little fella who knows man maybe if we hit another
01:44:53.540 time like this like you know like if we hit into some you know they say the world could be in it
01:44:58.480 who knows what's going on if we hit into some grapes of wrath stuff maybe it'll be i mean
01:45:02.920 revivals might be all they have again hey that's it's a good time oh yeah dude it's a good time
01:45:10.780 man um you guys are doing some uh festivals as well you guys just got on the uh sand in my boots
01:45:15.540 festival yeah with uh morgan ella langley that's gonna be great um dude the bands on here are
01:45:22.080 crazy look empire of the sun he was he was the sleepy jackson that was at that concert in london
01:45:28.720 when we were so scared and here they are yeah he's up here on the bill that's saying to my boots
01:45:34.280 um have you met morgan or no i have not met morgan no or ella or that's gonna be great
01:45:42.300 dude nelly nelly cole swindell flow right um the new album oh my beloved it's out today
01:45:49.380 yes sir um yeah caleb thanks so much how's your dad doing by the way oh man he's good
01:45:55.260 he was just here uh he'll be here uh a couple weeks for thanksgiving so yeah he's good
01:46:03.140 is he still evangelizing no um but he still gets up and preaches every now and then at his local
01:46:10.460 church in oklahoma amen yeah nice man we'll tell him we said hello um caleb fallwell uh kings of
01:46:17.580 leon tell your brothers and cousin that we said hello and thank you guys for uh just coming by
01:46:22.340 yeah chatting with us for a bit and um best luck on the new tour man and just congratulations on
01:46:26.960 being alive still thanks man you got to come out and uh have see a show with us i'd love to
01:46:32.860 Yeah, I will, man. Thanks, brother. Yeah, man. Thank you.
01:47:02.860 Thank you.