This Past Weekend with Theo Von - Blind Person Tanja Milojevic

00:00:00.760 Today's guest is a, she's blind man, I'm gonna be honest with you.

00:00:06.580 If you think she's not blind, you're nuts.

00:00:09.440 So today's guest is a woman who's, she's like kind of like the Amelia kind of sight heart kind of.

00:00:19.800 She's just that pioneer.

00:00:21.860 You know, she's that peeping bad girl.

00:00:24.780 So she is, oh man I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:00:29.340 But she also is a voiceover actress, she is a teacher, she works with people who have suffered from the same thing she suffers from.

00:00:40.280 Today's guest is blind and I've always wanted to meet somebody that's blind and sit down with them.

00:00:45.980 And so I'm really grateful already.

00:00:47.220 Ladies and gentlemen, the talented and lovely Tanya Milojevic.

00:00:59.340 I'll sit and tell you my stories.

00:01:05.660 Shine on me.

00:01:08.080 I'm just sitting over here right now telling you I'm not doing anything.

00:01:11.220 Drinking some water.

00:01:12.340 Yeah, just drinking some water.

00:01:14.160 Kind of have some notes but I'm not really looking at them.

00:01:16.920 And is it fun for you when people like kind of describe to you what they're doing around you?

00:01:23.200 Or do you feel like?

00:01:25.400 It's helpful.

00:01:26.420 It is?

00:01:26.680 Sometimes I can tell by audio cues.

00:01:28.580 So for example, I could hear you opening your water bottle and taking a swig.

00:01:32.480 Mm-hmm.

00:01:32.720 So, but yeah, especially sometimes if I can't tell by someone's tone, I'll ask, are you this or that?

00:01:40.220 Or did I interpret this correctly?

00:01:41.760 But, you know, once in a while.

00:01:43.280 Usually people's voices are expressive so I can tell.

00:01:45.920 Mm-hmm.

00:01:46.800 And so you are 100% blind.

00:01:48.880 Like you've always been blind?

00:01:50.360 Actually, I have retinopathy of prematurity.

00:01:52.840 So I was born sighted.

00:01:55.060 It was just that I was premature two months and had to sit in the incubator for a couple months.

00:02:00.840 And then the oxygen, extra oxygen, detached my retinas.

00:02:05.780 So I had to have some surgeries to reattach.

00:02:07.840 And I was very lucky to be able to come to the U.S. from Serbia, where I was from, and have those reattached somewhat.

00:02:15.380 Here in the U.S.?

00:02:16.300 Here in the U.S.

00:02:16.980 Yeah.

00:02:17.380 Dr. Osi.

00:02:18.320 Like how blind are you?

00:02:19.680 Like if I had to guess, like do you feel pretty blind?

00:02:24.120 Oh, total.

00:02:24.900 I mean, I have enough vision to get me into trouble.

00:02:27.140 But it's about 22,000 in one eye and 2,700 in the other.

00:02:34.360 So every time I have a laser surgery, because I developed glaucoma due to the scar tissue after my surgeries initially,

00:02:43.860 the laser surgeries that I do or did every couple of years, haven't done one in a while, thankfully,

00:02:49.820 those reduce my acuity each time.

00:02:52.920 And there is a risk that I can go totally blind in both of my eyes or one of them, depending.

00:02:59.200 When you say acuity, what does that mean?

00:03:01.380 I mean like what I can see, how well I can see things.

00:03:05.640 So the clarity and the detail that I pick up.

00:03:08.800 For example, if I say I have 22,000, what you can see at 20 feet or rather what you can see at 2,000 feet, I can see at 20 feet.

00:03:18.780 So, you know, let's say you have better distance vision.

00:03:23.140 The clarity of your vision is a lot more detailed and all-encompassing.

00:03:28.760 So your field is a lot wider than mine.

00:03:31.000 Mine is tunnel vision, which means my field is 10 degrees.

00:03:34.580 Okay.

00:03:34.900 So a lot of times like I hear about people that are colorblind, and to me that seems like honestly like kind of a bunch of bullshit.

00:03:43.320 Do you feel like that?

00:03:44.920 I mean I think colorblind is definitely a thing.

00:03:47.400 There are people that are born colorblind where their hues are like gray, black, and white, and that's all they can really see.

00:03:53.460 They have different monochrome tones of –

00:03:56.240 But to call it colorblind, like I feel like it should be like –

00:03:59.820 Do you ever feel like –

00:04:01.000 Color deficient?

00:04:01.320 Yeah, let's call it like, hey, kind of confused, you know?

00:04:05.640 Yeah.

00:04:06.200 Let's don't go all the way to blind.

00:04:08.340 Like blind seems like almost something that should be a little bit more reserved for people that actually can't really see that well.

00:04:17.340 Do you guys – is there any vibe like that in the blind community where there's like kind of like, you know, like darkness beef with like people that are colorblind or anything like that?

00:04:27.540 In terms of that, not that I've noticed, but people do get upset over the terms visually impaired versus totally blind.

00:04:34.860 Some people like to say that they have a visual impairment or they are low vision depending on what their acuity is and how much – whether or not they can read, print.

00:04:43.840 So, for example, someone that can see traffic lights outside in the daytime, they can read signs, they can read print and navigate maybe with minimal use of a cane, they call them high partials.

00:04:54.720 And then there are people who are totally blind or who are lights – who have some light perception.

00:05:01.740 And we do like to categorize ourselves, some of us, in those various categories.

00:05:06.880 But then there are a lot of people for the sake of the public who just say, even if they're not totally blind, I'm blind and just call it a day because the public gets really confused.

00:05:16.520 That would be me.

00:05:17.180 Yeah.

00:05:17.540 Yeah.

00:05:18.080 Because I don't want to be a high parcel.

00:05:19.620 That sounds like somebody that's trying to be fancy to me.

00:05:21.840 Like I would rather be –

00:05:22.980 Right. I know.

00:05:23.260 It's us.

00:05:23.700 Yeah.

00:05:24.040 I'd rather be like, look, guys, I'm out, okay?

00:05:26.340 I'm a high partial.

00:05:27.240 I don't associate with you.

00:05:28.380 Go away.

00:05:28.920 Yeah.

00:05:29.180 High partial sounds like somebody that's like in one of those – like that movie with Katniss Everdeen, you know?

00:05:34.380 Oh, yes.

00:05:35.000 I'm a high partial.

00:05:36.140 Yeah.

00:05:36.320 Put me near the cornucopia first.

00:05:37.940 Yeah.

00:05:38.500 So I can get the best weapons.

00:05:40.380 Yeah.

00:05:40.540 That's what it sounds like.

00:05:41.800 It does.

00:05:41.980 Because there's a lot of high parcels even just in regular – especially in Hollywood.

00:05:46.720 This place is full of high parcels, man.

00:05:48.300 Oh, man.

00:05:49.100 Jesus.

00:05:50.060 It's really – it's a little bit creepy almost out here.

00:05:53.760 So do you – like – so if I reach across the table right now and touch your hand, like if you put your hand out, right?

00:05:59.200 Mm-hmm.

00:05:59.900 Okay.

00:06:00.540 All right.

00:06:00.860 Can you tell by like touching my hand like how old you feel like I am or do you get –

00:06:06.520 That's an interesting question.

00:06:07.540 I've actually never got that.

00:06:09.460 Well –

00:06:09.860 Because I can imagine your senses are better than mine.

00:06:11.780 This is my perception is that your senses are way better than mine.

00:06:14.500 So I'm thinking like, you know, do you – is your sense of touch like at a level that I couldn't even imagine, you know?

00:06:22.460 So I would say that it's all in how much you use it.

00:06:27.800 I think anyone is capable of developing sense of touch more or hearing, vision, et cetera.

00:06:34.100 So you focus mainly on what you see around you and maybe don't focus as much on audio cues because you don't need them as much.

00:06:40.660 You can see what's around you and that sense compensates for the others.

00:06:44.600 That is your primary sense.

00:06:45.940 For me, I would say mainly my hearing is my primary and, of course, I read Braille.

00:06:51.300 So I use touch for that.

00:06:52.900 But what's interesting is I would say my sense of touch in my index fingers is better than my sense of touch in my other fingers because I use that for Braille and I've developed that sensitivity in those fingers.

00:07:05.240 So do you learn something then about like almost do you feel like – so then with that being said, like so your sense of touching your index fingers,

00:07:14.600 is much more acute because you use it for Braille.

00:07:17.120 You use – that's your main fingers you use for Braille, right?

00:07:19.160 I would say so.

00:07:19.940 Do you – then do you think that this could be possible that if somebody used their shoulder for Braille for long enough that they would be able to develop a sense of how to read even?

00:07:31.320 Or their toes.

00:07:32.180 There are folks that like I've seen –

00:07:35.240 Oh, toe-offs.

00:07:35.980 You're talking about people that are just toeing off, huh?

00:07:38.180 Or they use their toes to read, yeah.

00:07:41.620 They're toeing off.

00:07:42.540 Like a guy – like that sounds like a line a guy would use on a girl, you know, like, hey, I can use my toes to read.

00:07:48.660 Oh, yeah.

00:07:49.380 Like a pickup line at a bar.

00:07:51.320 Yeah.

00:07:52.060 Let me read your shirt.

00:07:53.400 I can use my toes, you know.

00:07:56.140 Yeah.

00:07:56.780 I mean, they do make Braille shirts, right?

00:07:58.840 And it says don't read me or don't touch me or something in Braille.

00:08:02.780 And then as you're reading, you realize that?

00:08:05.460 Oh, yeah.

00:08:05.860 They have a bumper sticker, I know, that says you're driving too close and it's in Braille and it's on like –

00:08:11.060 Nice.

00:08:11.820 Which makes sense, really.

00:08:13.080 I'd love to see that.

00:08:13.760 Yeah, if you're that close, I think you've got to back off.

00:08:15.980 You've got a problem.

00:08:16.920 You're going to get run over.

00:08:18.180 Yeah.

00:08:18.480 So you feel like for you, your sense of hearing is really acute?

00:08:24.640 I would say I've developed it more so and I pay attention to minute sounds, whereas that kind of goes both ways because in dance music, my boyfriend loves to put up the music really loud because, you know, sometimes, like especially working out or something.

00:08:40.180 So there are in dance music, high-pitched, buzzy noises that almost sound like an electric chair, you know, and it's painful.

00:08:50.280 Like the louder it is, the painful it is.

00:08:52.000 And I just have this like instinctual, ah, you know, recoil reaction, put my hands over my ears.

00:08:58.120 No, and he thinks it's the funniest thing ever.

00:09:00.340 Who makes some of the most painful music out there?

00:09:03.260 Because obviously you have very acute senses.

00:09:05.660 There is a German band that I've heard.

00:09:07.700 I think it's called Republic One or something.

00:09:09.900 Oh, yeah.

00:09:10.580 And it is.

00:09:11.900 I'm just, I sit there, I'm like, no, turn the volume down.

00:09:16.360 I'm scared.

00:09:17.540 What about an American artist, maybe?

00:09:19.680 I mean, that makes some really, really, you know, just some real junk.

00:09:23.320 Like, I mean, I'm thinking, for me, it's Nicki Minaj.

00:09:25.720 Oh, yeah.

00:09:27.140 Some of her songs are interesting.

00:09:29.000 I could see that.

00:09:30.820 But is there a band or something that kind of you're like, oh.

00:09:33.620 Oh, hmm.

00:09:35.300 I would say probably some of the death metal bands.

00:09:40.360 Like, and I used to love death metal, so I'm not trying to rag on them here.

00:09:45.460 But Cannibal Corpse.

00:09:47.180 Oh, yeah.

00:09:47.560 That sounds.

00:09:47.840 For example, they got some, it's just painful, high notes in the solos.

00:09:54.420 Well, they don't want you to live through the songs, a lot of it sounds like.

00:09:57.480 No, they want you to become a Cannibal Corpse.

00:09:59.120 Yeah, they have ulterior, it sounds like they have really ulterior motives.

00:10:02.580 Yeah.

00:10:03.480 I think so.

00:10:04.160 Is there, it's just so interesting.

00:10:06.880 So it almost, it seems, so to your sense of hearing, to me, would almost be like, almost

00:10:10.600 like, it would seem like a superpower almost a little bit.

00:10:13.520 Ah, I don't know.

00:10:15.060 I mean, if I were Daredevil and had a weapon in my cane, that'd be awesome.

00:10:19.120 But yeah, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say it's, it's that good, but it does certainly

00:10:23.640 help in picking up cues and what's going on in the environment around me.

00:10:29.120 So especially for navigation, I use my sense of hearing.

00:10:32.500 Let's say there's a waterfall that I know I'll have to pass or keep behind me as I'm

00:10:37.760 traveling forward.

00:10:38.640 And then there's an ice cream parlor and they play particular music and there are smells

00:10:43.960 associated.

00:10:45.000 All of that not only triggers memory to help you like sort of map it out in your head,

00:10:50.200 but it gives you a constant that you can rely on as you're, as you're traveling or even

00:10:55.380 when you're watching films without audio description.

00:10:57.700 Do you feel like a detective a little bit then?

00:10:59.960 Like when every day when you wake up, do you feel like almost like inspector?

00:11:02.500 Gadget a little?

00:11:03.340 Cause you got to kind of like, that would be cool.

00:11:05.760 Figure it out.

00:11:06.840 Hey, maybe I'll make my mornings a little easier, especially when the week drags on and

00:11:11.500 I just want the weekend to be there so I can enjoy and record and have fun.

00:11:15.560 Thing, thing, thing.

00:11:16.200 Yeah.

00:11:16.720 Hey, I'll try that.

00:11:17.600 That's a good suggestion.

00:11:18.800 But do you feel like, like, I'm just trying to think of what it's like to not like, you

00:11:23.020 know, to be, to not have sight, to be blind, to be sight impaired.

00:11:26.400 Like, I'm trying to think of like, if my brain would wake up every day and the world would

00:11:32.600 seem like more.

00:11:34.440 Vibrant.

00:11:35.580 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 Is that what it seems like?

00:11:37.420 It can certainly.

00:11:38.560 Especially if you're looking forward to the day and you're in a, in a great mood, it

00:11:43.320 can definitely seem filled with, with a lot of different things.

00:11:49.380 It can, can get a little overwhelming sometimes.

00:11:52.380 Not having sight, you mean?

00:11:53.620 Yeah.

00:11:53.960 If you're in a loud environment, for example.

00:11:55.980 Oh yeah.

00:11:56.440 Like being at a bar or a club, even at a convention or.

00:12:01.780 Or at like a Chelsea Handler.

00:12:03.780 Yeah.

00:12:04.140 Concert.

00:12:04.660 Listening to her.

00:12:05.020 Yeah.

00:12:05.500 Yeah.

00:12:06.460 Yeah.

00:12:06.960 Sorry.

00:12:08.280 Just sometimes slips out of me.

00:12:10.320 But, so, so places like that, because why there's too much going on.

00:12:14.560 There's too much.

00:12:15.460 Yeah.

00:12:15.680 And sometimes what I do, what helps in those situations, because it's hard to navigate

00:12:19.940 if, first of all, if there's flashing lights, like at a carnival, loud music, loud, a

00:12:24.980 lot of people talking, it's hard to orient yourself.

00:12:27.400 So what I'll do is I'll, like, if I'm standing somewhere waiting to navigate, I will put my

00:12:33.020 hand on something that doesn't move, some solid object, like a chair or a table, and

00:12:37.640 just stand there and kind of listen and try to figure out where stuff is.

00:12:41.660 Or, if possible, navigate when the environment is quiet, map it out for myself, and then it's

00:12:46.840 not so, you know, crazy.

00:12:49.880 But the dog, actually, my dog here, Naboo.

00:12:52.360 Naboo, yeah.

00:12:53.040 She's very good at navigating outside.

00:12:55.780 So if I'm in a loud restaurant, which happens a lot, you know, loud music, I'll just say,

00:13:00.420 okay, Naboo, outside, outside, find the door, find the door, come on, come on, come on, come on.

00:13:04.220 Do you want a treat?

00:13:05.160 Let's go.

00:13:05.940 And she's-

00:13:06.560 And she finds the door.

00:13:07.880 And she helps you leave.

00:13:09.100 Mm-hmm.

00:13:09.760 And she's very beautiful.

00:13:12.340 Oh, thank you.

00:13:13.320 And she also, I noticed that she has very beautiful eyes.

00:13:16.300 Yeah, she wears makeup for me.

00:13:17.780 Does she really?

00:13:18.320 Me too.

00:13:18.840 She has, not real makeup, but she's got markings around her eyes, and it looks like eyeliner.

00:13:24.300 That's what I've been told.

00:13:25.900 It's so funny, when you, when I met her a few minutes ago, when you introduced me, the

00:13:30.020 first thing I noticed about her, I never noticed about, I mean, I'd seen some animals with pretty

00:13:33.440 eyes and stuff before.

00:13:34.440 They got Smushy the cat has some beautiful eyes.

00:13:36.800 He has an Instagram page.

00:13:37.740 But, but she has beautiful eyes.

00:13:42.240 Thank you.

00:13:43.200 It's almost, at first I was like, holy smokes, like, did they, did you guys swap eyes or something?

00:13:48.880 Like, cause she's got some, like, it's just crazy.

00:13:51.080 It's almost like that you were carting around a real set of frickin' peepers right there on

00:13:54.920 Naboo.

00:13:58.080 Do some animals, do you get a different sense from certain animals than other animals?

00:14:03.100 I'm just wondering, like, if you can get different senses than I can from, from animals.

00:14:08.440 Do you mean, like, a bonding type or their intentions?

00:14:12.300 Yeah, do some animals feel to you, like, like, what does a dog seem like to you?

00:14:18.780 Oh, they're very lovey.

00:14:19.980 Usually they pick up on our emotions and our body language, as well as facial expressions

00:14:24.160 really well.

00:14:25.800 And the body positioning, like where their tail is low, is positioned, or how, how they're

00:14:32.180 laying sometimes, or even the enthusiasm of how they greet us, those can tell us a lot

00:14:38.340 about how they're feeling.

00:14:40.100 And I find myself talking to her like she's a real person, you know, all the time, because

00:14:44.340 she's with me everywhere I go.

00:14:46.280 Wow.

00:14:46.920 That's so interesting, though.

00:14:47.940 And now what about a cat?

00:14:48.960 Do you have the same interactions with a cat?

00:14:50.860 I used to have a cat when I was a kid.

00:14:52.820 And I had a very, you know, solid bond with her.

00:14:56.740 She was an outdoor cat, and she would sleep on my, in bed with me sometimes, or I used

00:15:02.500 to carry her by her neck, I guess, as a kid, my mom told me.

00:15:05.800 Oh, yeah.

00:15:06.280 Which is not the right way to carry a cat.

00:15:08.160 That's very hard.

00:15:09.140 But she never cared.

00:15:10.400 Like, she was so sweet and chill.

00:15:13.300 She didn't ever protest.

00:15:13.960 Was she alive?

00:15:15.020 It sounds like.

00:15:15.700 I know, right?

00:15:16.180 If you were carrying her by her neck, it could be.

00:15:18.700 I know.

00:15:20.020 That was a little bit of, just didn't care.

00:15:22.920 But animals got along with me just fine.

00:15:26.420 Do you get different vibes?

00:15:27.680 Like, can you get a different intuition from, say, like a snake or a frog?

00:15:31.240 Do you feel like they have?

00:15:33.360 I'm just trying to think of.

00:15:34.520 Actually, snakes kind of freak me out.

00:15:36.380 Yeah, me too.

00:15:36.680 I used to like them as a kid.

00:15:38.780 But then when they start wrapping around you, the more you know about them and how easy

00:15:42.520 it is for them to just choke you to death, the scarier they are and more intimidating.

00:15:47.360 I think reptiles are hard to read.

00:15:49.600 Some people have a knack for it.

00:15:51.520 Me personally, nope.

00:15:52.920 I have no idea.

00:15:53.860 I just always feel like I could be in danger of getting, I don't know, squeezed to death

00:15:59.140 any moment.

00:16:00.340 Right.

00:16:00.640 There's no ability to kind of know what they're thinking or feeling.

00:16:03.640 Nope.

00:16:03.660 Not with reptiles for me.

00:16:05.680 That's so interesting.

00:16:06.680 Yeah.

00:16:06.820 Yeah.

00:16:07.180 I can't read them.

00:16:08.300 They're so cold and detached.

00:16:10.600 And it's all about what they want.

00:16:12.360 But a cat also, I feel now that I'm adult, they're okay.

00:16:16.900 I'll pet them.

00:16:17.800 But I don't trust them very much.

00:16:19.680 I'm more of a dog person.

00:16:21.500 Yeah.

00:16:21.720 No, I agree.

00:16:22.380 I saw two cats the other day sharing a cigarette outside of my building.

00:16:26.080 A cigarette knife.

00:16:27.180 That's to say I knew they were up to no good, you know?

00:16:30.520 Yeah.

00:16:32.600 And yeah, thank you.

00:16:34.020 I think I've just like, I was thinking about this last night.

00:16:37.320 I was like, when I was young, one of my favorite, one of the first people I ever remember meeting

00:16:42.320 was this kid named Doug Huevall that I went to school with when I was in second grade.

00:16:46.360 And he had a stutter.

00:16:48.600 And it was the most fascinating thing I had ever heard.

00:16:52.240 Like, because everybody I had heard talked the same.

00:16:54.920 Like, everybody just talked, you know?

00:16:57.720 Oh, yeah.

00:16:58.120 And so when he suddenly had like this voice that was like, he was like an instrument a little more.

00:17:04.520 You know, it was just so, it was unique.

00:17:06.160 And I was like, oh, man, this is the best.

00:17:08.240 And I remember I started impersonating him.

00:17:10.840 And then the teacher at school thought that I was making fun of him.

00:17:13.620 Right.

00:17:14.200 But I wasn't.

00:17:15.020 I just wanted, I wanted to be like different kind of like he was.

00:17:18.460 You know, I wanted to be, I don't know.

00:17:21.140 I just.

00:17:21.600 Unique, yeah.

00:17:21.920 Yeah, it just seems so unique to me.

00:17:24.980 And so I think then I've always just had like this, just this affinity for what it would be like to have something unique.

00:17:34.440 Like, like, no vision or, or a unique like, you know, like, they have a guy, someone you see on the internet who doesn't have any arms and legs.

00:17:44.100 And he like does all these stunts and everything, you know?

00:17:46.560 So cool.

00:17:47.200 This little, yeah, this kind of little bucket-y kind of bad boy, you know?

00:17:51.060 So I guess, like I was thinking last time, I was like, I wonder if your imagination is different than mine.

00:17:57.880 Actually, I'm very imaginative.

00:18:00.460 I'm a huge fan of horror, particularly.

00:18:03.660 Of horror films?

00:18:04.780 Horror films, horror books.

00:18:06.480 What?

00:18:07.080 Music, radio dramas that are involved with horror.

00:18:09.800 For example, like the White Vault, for instance, Fast Horizon.

00:18:13.180 Check them out.

00:18:13.960 They're awesome.

00:18:14.940 Are they?

00:18:15.600 Oh, yeah.

00:18:16.360 They're, Fool and Scholar Productions actually created.

00:18:18.820 And is that one you're doing voiceover in?

00:18:20.400 Yes.

00:18:20.820 Right, yes.

00:18:21.260 Okay.

00:18:21.560 So, I mean, I've got to plug these shows because I'm so excited about them.

00:18:24.800 No, of course.

00:18:25.360 And we're going to plug them too whenever we bring the, we'll do an intro for the show later.

00:18:30.060 Yep, yep.

00:18:30.500 We'll make sure to plug them.

00:18:31.800 Oh, thank you.

00:18:32.560 So, so first let's talk about imagination a little.

00:18:37.960 Naboo.

00:18:39.240 Sorry about that.

00:18:40.100 That's okay.

00:18:41.820 So, there was just a knock at the door.

00:18:43.420 We don't, I'm not sure who it was, but so Naboo lets you know when.

00:18:46.700 She does.

00:18:47.480 She alert barks.

00:18:48.620 She does.

00:18:49.220 Actually, what's funny, I work at Perkins School for the Blind at the Perkins Library.

00:18:53.880 And at work, if somebody comes by my office, she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:18:57.680 Like she gets all worked up.

00:19:00.120 She barks maybe five, six times, but quick, just to let me know they're there.

00:19:05.100 Can you tell the tone even down to the smallest level in her bark?

00:19:08.960 Like if she's trying to, if she's trying to be like alert you or if she's trying to let

00:19:16.740 them know that you're there or like you able to different, like notice different levels

00:19:22.060 of like intonation that she has in her voice?

00:19:24.860 Yes, I am.

00:19:25.720 For example, if she's startled, she'll do a very quick, short, high-pitched bark.

00:19:31.200 And then if somebody comes by that she doesn't like, she'll, she'll get up and walk over

00:19:36.200 to them just to be like, you know, just like growl, get out.

00:19:40.640 That's like my mom, my mom used to do that when I bring this kid Wayne over all the time.

00:19:45.520 Just growl.

00:19:47.700 Yeah, she would.

00:19:48.760 How dare you?

00:19:50.380 Get them out of here.

00:19:52.380 Oh yeah, dude.

00:19:53.240 And he was a bit of a deviant.

00:19:56.480 But yeah, your imagination, like I was thinking last night, I was like, my imagination is almost

00:20:00.640 kind of limited by, by colors.

00:20:04.420 You know, I wonder if like my imagination got caged up, you know, because it's, it's like

00:20:10.540 limited a little bit by knowing like what a lot of different colors are and how the world

00:20:15.680 is kind of, or how the society we live in is kind of built, you know?

00:20:19.520 Yeah.

00:20:19.880 Well, you can, you can definitely expand all that, like noticing smells whenever you're

00:20:25.120 somewhere, let's say out and about walking by shops or something, you can smell all the

00:20:31.420 different things coming out of a shop.

00:20:33.160 And sometimes you can even tell where you are based on the smell.

00:20:35.840 So just starting to notice that in your own life too, actually meditation exercises help

00:20:41.900 with that mindfulness where you, you notice, oh, I'm having this thought or I'm thinking

00:20:46.940 about what I need to do, but I'm just going to let it go and think about, you know, let's

00:20:51.420 see where my thoughts go naturally.

00:20:53.540 And what do I notice around me?

00:20:54.880 Like something like a sound of a fan can be soothing, kind of white noise, intermittent

00:20:59.560 can cause your brain to focus harder on an, um, a task that you're working on and that's

00:21:07.520 all mindfulness.

00:21:08.180 So doing something like that can help you get to that same level that I'm, that I'm

00:21:12.460 mentioning where you're discussing all the five senses and how they implement, uh, how

00:21:16.960 they work together to create that multi-sensory picture of where you're at.

00:21:21.280 So, but in terms of imagination, actually my friend and I, as teenagers, we used to get

00:21:27.260 on the phone and this is when people actually used to talk on the phone instead of texting

00:21:31.060 and Instagramming and tweet, tweeting to each other.

00:21:34.220 We would sit on the phone for hours.

00:21:36.920 I kid you not.

00:21:37.760 And sometimes we would do online mud games, you know, where you would, that is like a

00:21:42.260 D and D sort of online.

00:21:44.140 And now that's Dungeons and Dragons you're saying.

00:21:46.400 Right.

00:21:46.800 Right.

00:21:47.020 Yeah.

00:21:47.320 Similar to that.

00:21:47.520 And you can play these how?

00:21:49.080 Because.

00:21:49.480 So, you know how online they have a graphic system and multiplayer, um, verse, et cetera.

00:21:56.380 This is all done through command line.

00:21:58.560 So you modify it by going in, um, you bring up like a command line box, kind of like we

00:22:05.480 used to do with DOS back when.

00:22:07.220 HTML where you can enter in code.

00:22:09.020 Mm-hmm.

00:22:09.460 And you, you enter textual text commands, like the old text adventures used to be in the

00:22:14.540 nineties on the, the old DOS systems.

00:22:16.660 And you would enter commands and then a lot of the, the games now you can insert a sound

00:22:22.480 pack, which would take the place of some of those longer command line, um, prompts.

00:22:28.200 And we can listen to sound effects in 3D space and figure out where we're at environments

00:22:35.780 and things like that.

00:22:37.120 Spells, all of those have sounds related to them.

00:22:40.280 Ah, I see.

00:22:40.840 So by adding in sound packs, um, you're able to get like a more of an experience where you

00:22:46.040 can actually enjoy a.

00:22:48.280 Multi-sensory.

00:22:49.360 Like a video game experience.

00:22:50.800 Mm-hmm.

00:22:50.840 Now, so with virtual reality kind of looming, does that seem very exciting to like the

00:22:57.500 blind community?

00:22:58.560 Oh, yes.

00:22:59.320 Uh, Deep End Games actually produced one called, uh, Perception.

00:23:05.660 And it's about this main character who's blind and she's got to go to her grandfather's house,

00:23:09.720 go through it and solve the mystery of what happened to him and how he died.

00:23:13.120 Wow.

00:23:13.520 And it starts off, it's fully voice acted.

00:23:15.760 It's 3D audio space.

00:23:17.680 And I contacted them.

00:23:19.280 I was like, hey guys, you're awesome.

00:23:21.120 Like, how do I play this?

00:23:22.380 They're just like, oh, uh, we, we believe it's accessible.

00:23:25.800 Let us know.

00:23:26.380 You know, so I've, I've got to get my nephew to help me out here.

00:23:28.580 And what's it called again?

00:23:29.580 I'm going to write that down.

00:23:30.680 Perception.

00:23:31.880 Perception.

00:23:32.420 That sounds really, really interesting.

00:23:33.800 Oh, yeah.

00:23:34.600 Oh, yeah.

00:23:34.940 The trailers are amazing and the voice acting is spot on.

00:23:37.900 And so when you're listening to these types of things, I mean, you get everything from sound,

00:23:41.980 right?

00:23:42.180 I mean, you're not able to.

00:23:43.160 Yes.

00:23:44.060 And then you have like some kind of extra, um, I believe it's her or it's like an extra

00:23:51.620 voice that tells you where you're, where you are and how many meters away from something

00:23:55.780 you're standing.

00:23:56.780 And that's, that would additionally help you navigate.

00:24:00.520 And there are also iOS virtual reality games out there.

00:24:04.940 And are you able, like, so a virtual reality game, like for me, I would take the head, the

00:24:09.940 video, the video, the visual set, like the goggles and put them over my head, my over my eyes.

00:24:16.760 And then, uh, you know, I would have the headphones on.

00:24:19.660 I would listen to the experience, but I'd also be able to see it for you.

00:24:22.620 What is that experience?

00:24:23.520 Like it's more just sound based.

00:24:25.300 It's more sound based where you would have the set of headphones on and everything would

00:24:30.360 be in binaural audio, which is a simulated 3d space.

00:24:34.340 Oh, wow.

00:24:35.280 Okay.

00:24:35.440 So it's a different type of audio specifically for people that are hearing impaired.

00:24:39.200 They actually make it for anyone, um, who, who wants to play the game.

00:24:44.080 A lot of these have graphical interfaces built in so anyone can play them.

00:24:48.300 The goal is just to make it fully accessible for all, which is great because if you have

00:24:53.960 a little bit of vision, you might be able to see the graphic and a graphical interface

00:24:57.280 as well.

00:24:58.160 I see.

00:24:58.700 There's a YouTube video of a guy that has a lot more vision than I, than I do.

00:25:03.080 I would say he plays a star Wars virtual reality game and is able to move the, the lander around

00:25:11.740 successfully on his own without dying.

00:25:14.260 I see.

00:25:14.700 And he gets super excited about it.

00:25:17.140 Obviously it's.

00:25:18.380 And, but your imagination, like, so you have color in your imagination when you're imagining

00:25:22.420 things?

00:25:23.060 Yeah.

00:25:23.500 Um, I'm losing color perception a little bit.

00:25:26.420 So my ability to tell shades apart, like blue green, for example, if they're close or if

00:25:32.400 purple is close to blue, sometimes it's hard to tell, but I do imagine it for what color

00:25:39.480 I have that will enter into it.

00:25:41.860 And of course it goes into dreams as well.

00:25:44.160 So, um, can your dog tell like if someone is lying?

00:25:49.560 I wish.

00:25:50.620 You think?

00:25:51.680 Um, she can tell if someone is trustworthy or not.

00:25:54.960 It's sort of like that saying where you believe kids, you, you can't fool a baby or a dog.

00:26:01.040 You know, that saying, I'm probably saying it wrong here, but.

00:26:04.180 Oh, that's what we do here.

00:26:06.320 But, um, she can certainly tell if someone's not trustworthy.

00:26:10.500 Uh, she doesn't like them.

00:26:12.260 She gets a bad vibe and maybe will bark a little bit more if they show up and doesn't

00:26:17.580 trust them.

00:26:18.080 Doesn't really want to go near them, avoids them.

00:26:21.080 We were on the bike path once just walking, um, with a couple of people and there was some

00:26:26.620 guy that was walking down the bike path for some reason she didn't like him.

00:26:30.500 So she pulled us way over into the grass, went around him and just kind of stopped as

00:26:35.280 he walked by.

00:26:35.920 Cause he was like, Oh, hi there.

00:26:37.080 Oh, wow.

00:26:37.740 And so I said, hi, and she just stood there and just didn't want to move until he walked

00:26:41.900 by, just staring at him.

00:26:43.240 And you were able to just kind of feel that vibe from her and take those cues a hundred

00:26:46.540 percent.

00:26:47.100 Yep.

00:26:47.400 Cause she was standing very still and kind of tense.

00:26:49.660 Right.

00:26:50.020 And you trust her wholeheartedly.

00:26:51.320 Like there's, there's no, there's no, like, unless it probably comes to a treat, I'm guessing

00:26:56.120 there is no misconception about what her intentions are.

00:26:59.800 Yeah.

00:27:00.380 It's, she's pretty spot on, trustworthy dog.

00:27:04.800 That's pretty cool, huh?

00:27:06.000 Yeah.

00:27:06.500 My first service dog was like that too, but this one is a lot more protective of me.

00:27:10.540 Not to the point where she'll bite or attack.

00:27:12.820 I do think if I was being mugged or someone was, was trying to attack me in some way, she

00:27:18.420 would step in and try to bite them at that point.

00:27:20.680 Cause she's protective, but she wouldn't just bite somebody.

00:27:24.320 Right.

00:27:25.160 Now, do you feel like you said you like horror films?

00:27:28.580 Yes.

00:27:28.780 Cause there were, to me, it feels like you're already like in the dark a lot.

00:27:33.540 Like I would feel, I felt like it would be double scary.

00:27:38.640 Hey, you want to, you want to promote me for in the dark?

00:27:40.860 I'm happy to be on that show.

00:27:42.220 Yeah.

00:27:42.820 Had to say that.

00:27:43.780 Is that a show?

00:27:44.660 It's a show.

00:27:45.440 It's a blind protagonist on the CW.

00:27:48.080 It's a series.

00:27:48.760 Oh, wow.

00:27:49.120 I didn't even know that.

00:27:50.180 I haven't seen that show.

00:27:50.900 That was a pun.

00:27:52.040 So I was just like, ah, perfect.

00:27:54.060 No, I know that.

00:27:54.760 Yeah.

00:27:54.980 I know you do voiceover work and I want to, I want to learn more about the, about the

00:27:59.020 characters you play in those.

00:28:01.220 But yeah, I'm just curious, I guess, like, you know, what, like, what, why the horror genre?

00:28:09.700 Do you feel like, I'm wondering just, is there any correlation between what your daily kind

00:28:14.300 of existence or experience with the world is?

00:28:16.500 And if you think it ties into liking that genre?

00:28:21.580 That's a good question.

00:28:22.860 I think it ties into, I love adrenaline rush and just that whole fight or flight response

00:28:29.680 where.

00:28:30.220 But isn't it every, I feel like everything would be in a adrenaline rush to you, like

00:28:32.620 a B.

00:28:33.160 It's true.

00:28:34.340 When you're crossing a street, if a car just comes out of nowhere, you're like, oh my

00:28:38.060 God, I'm going to die.

00:28:39.020 That's so crazy.

00:28:40.580 What?

00:28:41.640 But in this case, you're able to experience it.

00:28:43.560 Every freaking, like every 10 minutes is the X games, I feel like for you.

00:28:47.560 It can be, depending on where you're at, whether or not you're getting, you know, assistance

00:28:52.160 or if you know where you are, like when you're lost, oh my God, that's anxiety provoking.

00:28:55.960 Yeah.

00:28:56.300 Especially at night.

00:28:58.120 And what if your dog wasn't there?

00:28:59.600 What if Nabu wasn't there?

00:29:01.700 Yeah, that would be harder.

00:29:02.920 I'd have to figure it out with my cane and it would be a lot slower of a process.

00:29:06.060 I'd have to slowly map out my surroundings and find, let's say, the nearest street crossing

00:29:10.680 and then the nearest building and ask for help.

00:29:13.980 Like just go in.

00:29:14.820 I've done that before.

00:29:16.020 Oh, I'm sure.

00:29:16.760 Yeah.

00:29:16.980 Like Lyft, Uber, drivers, a lot of drivers don't speak the language very well.

00:29:21.360 They don't understand a lot.

00:29:23.440 Like what do you mean?

00:29:24.020 The language of sight or the language of just English?

00:29:26.580 Yeah.

00:29:26.760 English, yeah.

00:29:27.220 Oh yeah.

00:29:27.560 There's a lot of dudes and they don't speak any language.

00:29:29.760 A couple of them.

00:29:30.580 I know, right?

00:29:31.540 Yeah.

00:29:31.740 I've had some guys who don't speak anything, dude.

00:29:34.260 They just, you pick a letter of the alphabet out of a hat.

00:29:36.380 They have no idea what you're talking about.

00:29:37.560 Exactly.

00:29:37.800 They can't read signs.

00:29:38.800 Yeah, they can't read anything.

00:29:39.440 Yeah.

00:29:40.060 I know.

00:29:40.520 I know.

00:29:40.780 It's frustrating.

00:29:42.400 So I went to the Chelmsford Center for the Arts once and they dropped me off.

00:29:47.300 Like the guy had no idea.

00:29:48.420 He's like, building?

00:29:49.500 Building?

00:29:50.040 I'm like, sir, I need to go to the Chelmsford Center for the Arts.

00:29:53.660 Here's where it is.

00:29:54.460 Like this is what it looks like.

00:29:55.620 There's a sign right outside.

00:29:57.080 It's huge.

00:29:57.600 You can't miss it.

00:29:58.460 I'll tell you.

00:29:59.020 If I can see it, I'll tell you.

00:30:00.060 But he's like, a building?

00:30:02.440 Oh, no building.

00:30:03.600 No building.

00:30:04.620 I'm like, yeah, obviously.

00:30:05.920 I can tell as well that there's no building.

00:30:07.480 We're in a parking lot.

00:30:08.660 Like, we're, come on.

00:30:10.560 Yeah.

00:30:10.820 Let's drive around the parking lot.

00:30:11.740 Let's find it.

00:30:12.360 No building.

00:30:13.460 I'm like, all right.

00:30:14.260 See you later.

00:30:16.440 See you never.

00:30:17.620 See you later.

00:30:19.140 You're getting a three-star rating.

00:30:20.700 Sorry, buddy.

00:30:21.260 Do you find that, do you find that, so more about that horror genre.

00:30:29.720 Sorry, let me think, because I'm not that good of a thinker.

00:30:32.100 But more about the horror genre.

00:30:34.020 So is it, because yeah, when you said that, like crossing a street, I can't even imagine

00:30:39.140 not being able to see and crossing a street.

00:30:41.620 Right on Red is not a fun thing.

00:30:44.620 And that happens all the time.

00:30:44.720 But it would just be so scary.

00:30:45.860 Like, you don't know if the guy over to your left is, like, not paying attention or he's

00:30:49.840 coming in.

00:30:50.680 And a lot of people are on their phones, so it's more of a risk for anyone crossing.

00:30:54.860 Now, can you feel that vibe if somebody's on their phone?

00:30:57.300 I wish.

00:30:57.420 Does that feel like a different vibe than somebody just sitting there?

00:30:59.460 Like, say if I'm just sitting here.

00:31:00.740 Yeah.

00:31:01.240 Unfortunately, not.

00:31:02.120 I can't tell that at all.

00:31:03.760 It just looks like they're sitting, waiting to proceed at the next cycle.

00:31:08.380 Right.

00:31:08.900 But what does it feel like?

00:31:09.820 Can you get a feeling from it, though, is what I'm saying?

00:31:13.500 Not really.

00:31:14.620 Like, I can't tell.

00:31:16.040 Unless the person kind of pulls forward and then stops and then pulls forward, then I

00:31:20.540 can tell that they're distracted.

00:31:22.580 Okay.

00:31:23.000 But I don't really get any intuitive feelings from it.

00:31:25.960 Mainly what my intuition works on for me or works well with me is, let's say a friend

00:31:31.980 wants to go on a job interview and they tell me, oh, I'm going on a job interview at noon.

00:31:36.060 What do you think?

00:31:36.580 Am I going to do well?

00:31:37.500 And I'll think, okay, so I'll put what I know about this person's style as well as the

00:31:43.400 person they're going to see and what their history with this person was, what they told

00:31:47.060 me their previous interaction was, and then my gut instinct.

00:31:50.240 And I'll kind of come up with an intuitive, I think you'll do great.

00:31:53.300 Or I'm not really sure this is going to work out, but this will lead to other opportunities

00:31:57.780 for you.

00:31:58.200 And it usually turns out to be that way.

00:32:00.460 Do you feel like more of a computer than a person sometimes?

00:32:03.420 Oh, yeah.

00:32:03.940 Oh, yeah.

00:32:04.420 That's actually very accurate.

00:32:06.880 Because social interaction can be nerve wracking.

00:32:10.300 I have a little bit of social anxiety in certain situations.

00:32:13.160 Yeah.

00:32:13.480 And I like the pre-programmed, like, five questions when you start a conversation.

00:32:20.920 How are you?

00:32:21.880 You know, what do you do?

00:32:24.040 You know, where do you live?

00:32:25.280 Those five, like, small talk questions that always-

00:32:28.100 Because it helps give you more of a world, a little bit of a world to start with?

00:32:30.860 Mm-hmm.

00:32:32.220 Like, yeah, it helps give you some information.

00:32:35.060 It helps give you-

00:32:36.160 Yeah, it does.

00:32:36.720 But it's also, as a person who can't make eye contact, it is very difficult, if you're

00:32:42.480 in a group, to find when is a good time to jump into the conversation and add something

00:32:47.960 to it.

00:32:48.380 Oh, it's like being stoned then.

00:32:50.780 Yeah, kind of.

00:32:52.260 I think.

00:32:52.900 Because, yeah, I've been high sometimes, and I'm standing there, and then I don't know

00:32:56.020 when to jump in, and then everybody leaves, you know?

00:32:58.760 You're like, where'd you go?

00:32:59.820 Yeah, you're like, hey, dude.

00:33:01.360 I know.

00:33:02.120 We asked you if you wanted a ride, but you didn't say anything.

00:33:04.700 Oh, you did?

00:33:05.340 When was this?

00:33:06.100 Yes, I don't remember.

00:33:08.980 Do you feel like a damsel in distress sometimes?

00:33:13.960 I feel like if I saw, like, if there's a woman walking around who's blind, then I feel like,

00:33:22.420 is she like a sitting, like, not a sitting duck, but is she, is she like a sitting, like,

00:33:29.280 do you feel like a potential victim possibly ever?

00:33:32.180 Uh, so I did more so when I was at, like, I went to school at Simmons for undergrad.

00:33:40.400 And what is that?

00:33:41.580 Oh, that's a, sorry, that's a school in Boston.

00:33:44.240 It's, it's an all-girls school.

00:33:45.800 Okay.

00:33:46.080 But in that area, like the Fenway area of Boston, as you know, the Red Sox play there.

00:33:50.900 It's like a lot of events, a lot of drunk people at night.

00:33:52.760 A lot of alcoholism.

00:33:53.720 A lot.

00:33:55.020 So, it can be a little unnerving.

00:33:57.380 Like, I've had people just go, you know, when I'm walking by or something.

00:34:01.640 Yeah.

00:34:02.040 Or like, hey, baby, you want to, like, you want to, you want to come over and talk to

00:34:05.320 me or whatever?

00:34:05.860 I'm just like, no.

00:34:07.180 Uh, so, I had my service dog.

00:34:09.460 That made me feel a lot better.

00:34:10.840 Right.

00:34:11.000 And then I took self-defense and I took Campo Karate.

00:34:13.680 So, it's like, I know the basics.

00:34:16.060 I know how to shove my fingers into somebody's eye socket.

00:34:19.040 It's like, that will stop them right away.

00:34:21.120 Or, you know, you shove your fingers up their nostrils.

00:34:23.120 Oh, yeah.

00:34:23.600 And you just go, boom!

00:34:24.800 Oh, yeah.

00:34:25.040 Or into their neck, into their Adam's apple, if they're a guy, if you can reach them.

00:34:28.160 Oh, yeah.

00:34:28.580 So, you just, you just know the basic defensive strategies.

00:34:30.960 And it really gives you a lot of confidence.

00:34:33.420 Like, you feel better traveling at night in that area.

00:34:37.540 But, other than that, unless.

00:34:38.980 But do you feel like a potential, like, because you have, you're sight impaired, right?

00:34:42.700 Yeah.

00:34:42.760 And I'm going to keep using different terms because I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:34:45.060 No, you're good.

00:34:45.640 But do you, do you feel like my intentions are good?

00:34:50.620 I mean, yeah.

00:34:51.280 I don't, sometimes I get vibes from people where I feel like they may not have great intentions

00:34:55.580 and I'll just cut the conversation short and move on.

00:34:58.840 Okay.

00:34:59.480 Yeah, I don't want you to feel like that for me.

00:35:00.880 Do you feel like that for me?

00:35:01.800 Okay, good.

00:35:02.240 No, not at all.

00:35:03.420 No, I know that you, you know, like, I know you do voice acting.

00:35:07.320 I know you do podcasting or in that universe.

00:35:10.940 Yeah.

00:35:11.080 But, I mean, yeah, I've just, I've never got to spend time with someone that I couldn't

00:35:14.920 see, you know?

00:35:15.600 So, I've just always been curious.

00:35:17.580 No, no question is a bad question.

00:35:19.580 You know, everything is fine.

00:35:21.660 Like, I don't get offended or anything.

00:35:23.100 I'm happy to try to give you a slice into what it's like.

00:35:26.820 Yeah.

00:35:27.100 Although, every person who is blind has a different perspective on their life, depending on where

00:35:32.400 they're at.

00:35:33.100 Really?

00:35:33.640 Oh, yes.

00:35:34.080 Now, when you say where they're at, do you mean where they're at and what?

00:35:36.500 So, in terms of like how long they've been blind, when they lost their vision, whether

00:35:40.560 or not they have some usable vision or if they were born with no vision.

00:35:44.500 People who are born with no vision, their concept development is, depending on who taught

00:35:49.820 them and what school system they were at, they may or may not have concepts of different

00:35:55.760 things.

00:35:56.420 Like, what certain animals look like, for example.

00:36:01.580 And so, were you on that scale?

00:36:03.240 You have some concept.

00:36:04.500 Some concepts, yeah.

00:36:05.520 There are some things, like, for example, when I read in books where it says, so-and-so's

00:36:11.300 eyes sparkled with amusement.

00:36:13.320 I'm like, what does that mean?

00:36:14.980 How did they sparkle?

00:36:15.940 Does it, like, did they have more tears in their eyes because they were so amused?

00:36:20.020 And so, the light was catching off of the tears and glistening on their eyes.

00:36:24.860 But I have actually, like, one time I was holding my niece when she was a baby, and I was

00:36:29.540 looking at her eyes, and I could see the sparkle.

00:36:31.880 It was like the first time I could see that.

00:36:33.460 It was so cool.

00:36:34.420 Oh, yeah, babies have more of it.

00:36:36.120 I think, to me, that thing is, like, it's like a light behind somebody's eyes that's,

00:36:41.660 like, not, like, a moisture thing.

00:36:44.780 To me, it's just my perception of it.

00:36:46.640 Yeah.

00:36:47.140 It's interesting.

00:36:47.500 And it's, like, something of, like, peacefulness or comfort.

00:36:52.940 Aw.

00:36:53.480 So, I think you see that.

00:36:55.120 Or, like, excitement can sometimes, like, flare it up in people.

00:36:59.140 Mm-hmm.

00:36:59.400 In younger people, I think excitement flares it up.

00:37:01.980 In older people, I think sentiment or, like, nostalgia.

00:37:07.620 Nostalgia.

00:37:08.240 That's a great one.

00:37:09.400 Joy.

00:37:10.100 Mm-hmm.

00:37:10.420 Like, things like that really kind of.

00:37:13.920 Yes, happiness.

00:37:15.140 Things that kind of mold, like, or fluff your emotion.

00:37:19.460 Oh.

00:37:19.840 Like, positively, I think those are things that would add, like, a sparkle to somebody's

00:37:24.620 eye, maybe.

00:37:25.240 Oh, that's sweet.

00:37:25.840 You know?

00:37:26.540 Yeah.

00:37:29.020 Yeah, just, like, now, what about, like, like, do you close your eyes ever, or are you just,

00:37:36.040 like, there's no point in it?

00:37:37.260 Oh, well, because I have some vision, yeah, I do.

00:37:39.780 Do I close my eyes, like, when I'm going to go to sleep, or let's say, sometimes I'll

00:37:45.340 be light sensitive.

00:37:46.480 So, if I don't have my sunglasses, and it's super bright out, I'm on the beach, and the

00:37:51.120 sun is glaring off the sand, throwing up lights.

00:37:53.960 Oh, yeah, I hate that.

00:37:54.280 It's just agonizing.

00:37:55.420 Oh, yeah, I hate that.

00:37:55.480 Oh, so I close my eyes.

00:37:57.100 So, what does that feel like for you?

00:37:58.240 That just feels like an intense, it's just an intense, like, what, whiteness kind of color?

00:38:03.200 It kind of, yeah, kind of like, well, because, I mean, I can see general colors, so let's

00:38:08.720 say I'm looking at the yellow sand, and it's just a lot of light, it kind of washes everything

00:38:13.460 out, and it's, unless I'm squinting really hard, and my eyes start tearing, I'm unable

00:38:18.260 to really make a lot of other things out for long before my eyes start to water.

00:38:24.400 So, at that point, closing them is the best, but it is similar to just this glaring white

00:38:29.700 field of light.

00:38:31.400 And then I close them, and it's red, because, you know, that's, when you close your eyes,

00:38:35.680 that's what you see, if there's, it's bright.

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00:40:17.520 And now let's get back to this beautiful blind episode.

00:40:23.020 And now what if I put like a woman like 50 feet away from you, okay?

00:40:27.740 Mm-hmm.

00:40:28.160 And I put your mother 50 feet away from you, right?

00:40:30.780 Yeah.

00:40:31.160 Do you think you would know the difference between the two of them?

00:40:33.920 If they talked, yes.

00:40:35.160 If they didn't say anything at all?

00:40:36.400 So if I could see-

00:40:38.560 Like, can you feel that you're-

00:40:40.460 I'm just trying to get an idea.

00:40:41.780 If this makes any sense, can you feel like that your mother is close?

00:40:46.340 Like, you know what I'm saying, kind of?

00:40:47.540 Through the feeling-wise, no.

00:40:50.160 Because like, I don't have any extra sort of intuitive sense of who is who,

00:40:56.200 unless I have some additional cues.

00:40:58.240 Okay.

00:40:58.560 So it would depend on the contrast, the lighting.

00:41:01.340 Like, it was decently lit, but no glare.

00:41:04.500 Or let's say like an overcast day, cloudy day, and somebody was 50 feet, but the background

00:41:09.920 was not complex.

00:41:10.960 So I wouldn't get confused by trees or houses in the background.

00:41:14.300 Ah, I see.

00:41:14.520 You have to be very specific.

00:41:15.780 Mm-hmm.

00:41:16.400 Exactly.

00:41:17.400 Very, just like nothing almost.

00:41:19.380 Right.

00:41:19.980 Yeah.

00:41:20.400 So like, let's say they were standing on the beach, right?

00:41:22.380 They were standing on sand, and there was nothing else to clutter the background.

00:41:25.760 I would be able to see them, but then if I could preview whose clothing or outfits looked

00:41:31.080 like what, and if they had very contrasting compared to each other outfits, I'd be able

00:41:36.260 to tell, okay, that's my mom standing on the left, and this is mystery person number one

00:41:42.000 on the right, you know?

00:41:43.500 Because they're wearing a white shirt on the right, my mom's wearing a red shirt.

00:41:46.800 Right.

00:41:47.300 Right.

00:41:47.560 Like, so a little more clues you have.

00:41:49.900 So it's a lot of clues, huh?

00:41:51.140 A lot of puzzle pieces.

00:41:52.160 So the detective analogy earlier was good.

00:41:54.640 So it's a lot of clues when you can't see.

00:41:56.960 Mm-hmm.

00:41:57.460 A lot of cues and things you put together.

00:41:59.580 Do you find that, or do you get any sense that certain cultures are friendlier than others?

00:42:07.460 Oh, certainly.

00:42:08.800 Like in the UK and here in the US and Germany, they're very inclusive of people with disabilities

00:42:14.580 in general, and the UK in particular has made a lot of wonderful strides, like audio description

00:42:20.760 captioning, for example.

00:42:21.960 Wow.

00:42:22.440 They audio describe, like, double the amount that we do and that we're mandated to do.

00:42:26.560 Oh, they're chatty.

00:42:27.660 Mm-hmm.

00:42:28.120 I mean, they are chatty.

00:42:29.520 Yeah.

00:42:29.720 Especially if they've been drinking.

00:42:31.340 But no, I'm making a joke here.

00:42:32.780 They're friendly.

00:42:33.220 So they have, so you're saying that the UK really is kind of the leader in that sort of

00:42:37.540 world?

00:42:37.940 I would say the UK, Germany, you know, they've done a lot to include people.

00:42:44.320 And even Switzerland, I would say.

00:42:47.360 And then the US, definitely.

00:42:49.700 I hope it continues to go that way.

00:42:52.300 And other countries in Europe, like, for example, where I'm from, Serbia, they are not as inclusive.

00:42:59.400 They're a little behind the times.

00:43:00.760 Yeah.

00:43:01.140 But they're getting there.

00:43:02.280 I know Perkins is working with them through Perkins International to try to teach teachers

00:43:07.180 from there how to better instruct their students and include them, get them prepared for mainstream

00:43:13.320 work.

00:43:14.780 And then in India, for example, they're working hard to get some of the, I guess, poorer families,

00:43:22.540 communities to include people with disabilities in the workforce.

00:43:27.560 So it's getting there.

00:43:28.680 It's just our, the first world countries have to help the third world to get there.

00:43:34.480 Well, which, and the problem is also how we can't get half the first world people to fricking

00:43:38.540 get a job or to go to work.

00:43:40.600 Jeepers.

00:43:41.100 We need to help our own people.

00:43:42.500 It must be, do you, can you tell like when you get a vibe where when you're around someone

00:43:46.580 who can see, who has all the faculties and they're like, oh, they're not even.

00:43:50.840 Trying?

00:43:51.360 Yeah.

00:43:51.860 Sorry.

00:43:52.500 No, it's okay.

00:43:53.040 Uh, yes, definitely have had that experience before where people complain that they can't

00:43:59.400 find a job, but they're not really trying.

00:44:01.800 Like they're just collecting the unemployment, you know?

00:44:04.440 Yeah.

00:44:04.840 You're like, I can't find, I can't find.

00:44:07.040 I'm like, you know, I'll take any job here at this point.

00:44:09.660 Like any additional side gig would be welcome, but you're not, what do you want me to do?

00:44:14.720 Um, you mentioned earlier that you have a boyfriend.

00:44:20.200 Is it, is it, I would imagine that it's, let me think about what I think when, um, he's

00:44:26.780 also visually impaired as well.

00:44:28.700 He is?

00:44:29.040 Yes.

00:44:29.520 Well, he's missing out.

00:44:30.440 I'll tell you that.

00:44:31.820 You're a beautiful young lady.

00:44:33.260 Thank you.

00:44:34.220 Appreciate that.

00:44:34.580 And I'm not trying to, I mean, I'm always trying to hit on everybody a little bit, but

00:44:38.140 at the same time, I'm, I would never be disrespectful to your boyfriend.

00:44:42.120 Um, oh no, no, no worries.

00:44:43.980 Um, yeah, I think I'll, I'll say this for myself, especially when I was young, I would

00:44:50.040 probably be scared if someone was blonde, you know, I would be, yeah.

00:44:54.540 And I don't mean this in a negative way.

00:44:56.160 I'm just trying to be earnest.

00:44:57.200 I would feel, yeah, I was probably scared.

00:44:59.900 I was probably, you know, I didn't know what to do.

00:45:03.640 I would think if I go engage with them, am I going to mess, am I going to mess things

00:45:12.080 up or something like whatever's going on in their world?

00:45:14.260 Like, am I going to, Hey, you're not alone.

00:45:16.680 A lot of people don't know how to approach the blindness community.

00:45:20.320 Um, I think on our end, what we could do better is communicate what, what we're thinking and

00:45:27.800 how we're feeling because our body language is a lot less.

00:45:31.240 Like a lot of us sit still or don't move a lot because we don't have the concept of, you

00:45:37.480 know, like for example, Italians, like they talk with their hands or like this and whatever

00:45:42.380 for us, we don't really have that as a natural part of our lives.

00:45:46.660 Like we don't.

00:45:47.680 Right.

00:45:48.300 Gesticulate.

00:45:48.960 Gesticulate.

00:45:49.500 Yeah.

00:45:49.660 That's good.

00:45:50.100 And that's off putting to others who, who have that as part of their, or they use, they

00:45:57.080 get cues from others, how they're feeling through the body language.

00:46:00.720 A hundred percent.

00:46:01.620 Yeah.

00:46:01.720 You get a lot of that.

00:46:02.580 Yeah.

00:46:02.700 You get clues from just from somebody's activity.

00:46:04.520 If they're, yeah, just there, you can get a lot of, a lot more clues.

00:46:08.600 Yeah.

00:46:08.760 I didn't realize how many clues it is.

00:46:10.600 Oh yeah.

00:46:11.180 So it would be good on our part to communicate.

00:46:14.200 Oh, I'm not upset.

00:46:15.520 I'm just, you know, I'm thinking or like, I know my face probably looks like I'm pissed

00:46:22.200 off right now, but I'm just, I'm spacing out or I'm, I'm not really, I'm thinking about

00:46:26.960 what I have to do at work tomorrow.

00:46:28.940 I'm not pissed at you because sometimes our facial expressions don't match how we, how

00:46:35.260 we're feeling or what we're thinking.

00:46:36.660 Wow.

00:46:37.120 And that can be off putting to people.

00:46:38.760 Also, I had to be told this because I used to like sit like this, where my hands were across

00:46:43.300 my stomach crossed over myself.

00:46:45.560 And that looks like you are closing or that, I guess.

00:46:50.080 No, thanks.

00:46:50.900 Not for a couple of years.

00:46:51.620 I'm pregnant.

00:46:52.160 Yeah.

00:46:52.420 Those girls is usually about 13 years old.

00:46:55.000 So.

00:46:55.300 Oh man.

00:46:56.020 Different times.

00:46:57.080 But, um, but to you that people would, what clue is that given off to people?

00:47:01.700 That I'm closed off and not welcoming interaction.

00:47:04.800 Ah, yeah.

00:47:05.620 So you have to sit very open.

00:47:07.340 Like your arms have to be out to your sides.

00:47:09.340 You know, I've actually read a bunch of stuff on body language just to try to understand

00:47:14.660 the concept of it.

00:47:16.560 And then a lot of people also, when they shake someone's hand, if they're blind, like they're

00:47:20.460 just like, oh God, how am I going to do this?

00:47:22.200 So what I do as a person who's blind is I'll, I'll put my hand out first and I'll be like,

00:47:26.260 oh, nice to meet you.

00:47:27.520 Yeah.

00:47:28.020 Toward the middle of my body.

00:47:29.460 Because, you know, you don't want to put it way out to the side.

00:47:32.200 That just kind of looks weird.

00:47:33.620 And you're exuding friendliness by taking the cue first and taking the awkwardness out

00:47:40.480 of the situation.

00:47:41.680 So it's just, we, we have to educate ourselves on body language and make it more comfortable.

00:47:47.560 I love how you have just an ability.

00:47:49.180 I mean, it's, and this is just such a neat gift that you see that you probably, I think

00:47:52.680 as a person to seem to have is to recognize your part in things.

00:47:56.900 Like, you know, instead of saying like, oh, everybody needs to do this or people could

00:48:00.840 do this, it's like, oh, the blind community or as a person that's sight impaired, we could

00:48:05.240 do this.

00:48:05.780 These are things.

00:48:07.080 It's like, yeah, we all, we all can.

00:48:08.840 Soft skills.

00:48:09.680 Yes.

00:48:10.480 But we all can always help our own situation.

00:48:12.600 Even if we think something else is like really impairing us.

00:48:15.960 Yeah.

00:48:16.260 There's always like our own part in it.

00:48:18.380 Kill them with kindness.

00:48:19.300 That's the way to do it.

00:48:20.260 Yeah.

00:48:20.440 If you can, if you're grumpy that day, just don't talk.

00:48:22.780 Yeah.

00:48:23.080 Just kill them.

00:48:23.960 Just, just, oh my God.

00:48:25.960 Look, you got me into the horror films.

00:48:28.160 Yes.

00:48:28.980 Making me think of the dark arts in here.

00:48:30.520 Take that ax, you know?

00:48:33.020 Oh my God.

00:48:33.640 Take the hatchet.

00:48:35.040 It must be, I mean, do you could, if you, if you're blind, do you feel like everybody

00:48:39.140 could be a killer?

00:48:40.840 Hmm.

00:48:42.420 Sometimes.

00:48:43.600 Like there's so much more opportunity for you to think there are people that are killers.

00:48:46.900 Like I can see people.

00:48:47.940 I'm like, oh, they're not killers, you know?

00:48:49.620 Yeah.

00:48:49.980 But for you, I feel like you could always be like fantasizing there's somebody in the

00:48:53.920 distance with like a bow and arrow or something unique.

00:48:56.180 Oh yeah.

00:48:56.700 Sometimes you can freak yourself out that way.

00:48:59.140 Wow.

00:48:59.500 Like, oh my God, a bunch of zombies are going to break into this car and they're going to

00:49:03.340 eat me.

00:49:04.860 Yeah.

00:49:05.220 Like your imagination must be able.

00:49:07.140 Oh yeah.

00:49:07.760 Does your imagination, is it very active?

00:49:09.980 It's very active.

00:49:10.960 Wow.

00:49:11.460 Yeah.

00:49:11.660 Like if I watch a horror film, like for example, I just saw the haunted, um, the, the series

00:49:16.240 on Netflix.

00:49:16.620 Have you seen it?

00:49:17.900 No, I haven't.

00:49:18.380 Oh, it's scary.

00:49:19.960 It is.

00:49:20.500 Yes.

00:49:20.860 A little too real.

00:49:21.680 And so horror films, I just thought of this because they have so many more sound cues.

00:49:26.460 They do.

00:49:27.460 They do.

00:49:28.060 And the sound design is amazing.

00:49:30.020 Yeah.

00:49:30.320 Cause it's a, yeah, it's, it's trying to build up in emotion.

00:49:33.440 Whereas a lot of other things aren't really doing that.

00:49:35.520 They're just kind of telling a story like point blank.

00:49:38.660 Yeah.

00:49:39.140 Like Bird Box, for example, with Sandra Bullock.

00:49:41.500 Yeah.

00:49:42.360 Super amazing sound design with the sound, with the, the minute sounds that you would

00:49:46.880 hear in your environment.

00:49:48.120 Only they're exaggerated enough just so that anyone can notice them.

00:49:53.200 And they're not as crazy with the jump scares, which gets old.

00:49:56.720 Yeah.

00:49:57.080 And I agree.

00:49:58.380 Yeah.

00:49:58.700 Horror films kind of, they got, they got lazy really.

00:50:01.020 They did.

00:50:01.960 Yeah.

00:50:02.540 I missed the old, when I was young, they had Jason Voorhees.

00:50:05.120 They had like Friday the 13th and some of those things.

00:50:07.560 Nightmare on Elm Street.

00:50:08.760 Yeah.

00:50:09.100 Michael Myers.

00:50:09.860 I bet that stuff.

00:50:10.540 I bet the Michael Myers, the Halloweens were really good.

00:50:12.520 Probably the early ones.

00:50:13.920 Yeah.

00:50:14.300 Yeah.

00:50:14.520 They were pretty good.

00:50:15.520 I think they could have done, I mean, this is seventies, but I think they should have

00:50:19.180 made it stereo versus mono where it's like coming out of just one channel in the center

00:50:23.220 and then the music is stereo.

00:50:24.640 Yeah.

00:50:24.980 It could have been, but you know, for what it was at the time, it was really good.

00:50:29.020 Yeah.

00:50:29.960 Yeah.

00:50:30.580 Oh, I'd love to see, I wonder how interesting it would be if you designed the set, like help

00:50:35.800 design the sound for a horror film.

00:50:37.440 I bet that would be fascinating.

00:50:38.620 That would be awesome.

00:50:39.840 Do you feel like we use the skills?

00:50:42.560 Cause that's such a unique skill that you, like a sensory ability to connect with sound

00:50:47.880 at a level that I couldn't do.

00:50:50.380 Yeah.

00:50:50.780 You know, because your, your senses in that space are more acute.

00:50:54.700 I wouldn't want to make it 5.1 surround, like most movies are anyway, where it surrounds

00:50:59.600 you.

00:51:00.140 Like the.

00:51:00.720 You wouldn't want to.

00:51:01.580 I would.

00:51:02.160 I would want to.

00:51:02.960 Yes.

00:51:03.300 And I would want to make the, so you know how, when people are on camera, the, the actors,

00:51:09.420 unlike audio drama, they are in the center, unless they're coming onto set from another

00:51:15.520 room, that's when you would hear them off to the side.

00:51:18.140 But otherwise they're coming from the center.

00:51:20.740 So both channels directly boom in front of you because the camera's focusing on them.

00:51:25.560 What I would want to do is create like a virtual reality horror movie where you walk through

00:51:31.800 like a fly on the wall and you get to hear these things happening.

00:51:34.800 And the people move around you in space, like 5.1 surround sound, because that would make

00:51:40.040 it more real, especially if things were happening to you.

00:51:42.880 And if you can make it like a 4d sensory experience where not only do you have the movie and the

00:51:50.300 headphones around everything's happening around you, but you would smell things like blood,

00:51:56.040 for example, or maybe you'd have props to use along with the movie.

00:52:02.940 Like, like, let's say you have to kill the killer.

00:52:05.640 So you'd be given a prop gun.

00:52:07.940 Oh, wow.

00:52:08.520 Something like that would be amazing.

00:52:09.620 You'd actually feel and you'd have.

00:52:11.600 Yeah.

00:52:12.300 Yeah.

00:52:13.160 Huh.

00:52:14.160 That would draw so many audiences, I think.

00:52:17.120 Just maybe you're talking like 5d.

00:52:19.300 I mean, maybe you're doing, you need another D.

00:52:21.460 Go all out.

00:52:22.440 Yeah.

00:52:23.500 It's just so, yeah, it's like, well, I wonder, do, don't do people, does Hollywood come and

00:52:27.900 tap into the blind community to learn more about sound or are there groups that do that?

00:52:32.140 It seems like it would be almost like a gold mine or they would, that, you know, they would

00:52:37.140 go to a mine that has the value in it.

00:52:40.740 Is there any like connection?

00:52:43.220 To my knowledge, no.

00:52:44.640 But I do know that they have experts and consultants that they go to.

00:52:48.920 For example, for the movie Bird Box, I know they went to a couple of people who are blind

00:52:53.000 to inquire about how things were being portrayed, like Braille, for example, signage and things.

00:52:58.800 I'm not sure on the sound design, if they went to someone who's blind, but I am aware

00:53:03.740 of a BBC, the BBC does like 3D audio, radio dramas for their, for their programming.

00:53:15.040 And they did employ someone who's totally blind as a sound designer.

00:53:19.360 That, that is one example that I can think of.

00:53:21.780 And I know there are sound designers out there.

00:53:23.900 I just don't know if Hollywood collaborates, but that would be great.

00:53:26.640 That's a great idea.

00:53:27.800 Yeah.

00:53:28.180 Cause you guys are like hawks almost.

00:53:30.200 Do you feel like a bird?

00:53:31.640 Is there an animal you feel like a little bit that you kind of relate to a little bit more?

00:53:34.780 Like, is there an animal you feel in the world and you're like, oh, that animal has a very

00:53:38.600 similar experience maybe to mine a little bit?

00:53:41.500 Um.

00:53:42.540 Has that ever happened?

00:53:43.320 It can be a no.

00:53:44.540 I'm just, I'm just trying to wonder.

00:53:47.080 Besides an AI, I say, I would say maybe, maybe a dog.

00:53:50.480 What's an AI?

00:53:51.100 What is it?

00:53:51.280 Like an artificial intelligence, a computer, you know.

00:53:53.600 Oh, I see.

00:53:54.260 Machine, you know, cyborg.

00:53:55.600 Cause you feel a lot of times things are more like a machine almost.

00:53:58.820 Like you have to get clues.

00:54:00.840 Yeah.

00:54:01.220 You get information and then you're able to build more of a world.

00:54:03.960 Exactly.

00:54:04.060 Which is the same way people do programming.

00:54:05.700 Yes.

00:54:06.300 And you can reprogram your brain.

00:54:08.280 So for example, like habits you don't like, you can reprogram yourself to not like those

00:54:13.560 habits that you loved.

00:54:14.940 Now you must have a much more, cause you're right there at the atomic, I bet you have more

00:54:20.520 of an access to the atomic level of that than I would, cause I'm out here in this comfort

00:54:24.700 zone, you know, just a damn sugar lizard out here.

00:54:27.160 Whereas you're down there working with the building blocks more inside of your senses

00:54:31.400 sometimes.

00:54:31.880 So is it easy for you to, to do that, to like reprogram yourself?

00:54:36.100 I'm, I'm just fascinated with psychology as a person.

00:54:38.660 And I think that's just more of my, my own interest than, um, my, my ability to work with

00:54:43.780 it, but if you believe something, it's, it's funny how the more you believe something, the

00:54:49.120 more it is.

00:54:50.040 So if you put something out there into the universe and say, oh, I want this to be this

00:54:53.780 way, it will.

00:54:55.040 Or if you have a negative, a sense of something that the self-fulfilling prophecy will happen

00:55:01.460 as well, which is unfortunate.

00:55:02.880 That's, but it seems like you get what you put out there.

00:55:06.120 So in terms of my ability to improve, uh, my programming and, and adjust it's, I have

00:55:14.240 to constantly believe that it will work.

00:55:16.360 If I stop believing it's going to work or I give up or I get lazy, it's not going to

00:55:20.600 work.

00:55:20.860 It's just going to go back to where it was.

00:55:22.980 Is it, it would feel like it would be easier for you to give up because you don't, it just

00:55:29.380 feels like it would be easier.

00:55:31.020 Does it feel like that to you ever, or you don't know what I'm talking about?

00:55:34.560 What is it?

00:55:34.800 I think you understand what I'm saying kind of, I do like the, with depression, with

00:55:38.400 getting down or, yeah, I guess so.

00:55:40.240 Yeah, it certainly can.

00:55:41.960 Like in my early twenties through my mid twenties, it was a factor in my life as well as high

00:55:48.000 school because I had a lot of challenges with math, getting through math.

00:55:51.500 I was, um, just to quickly mention, I was mainstream.

00:55:54.300 So I went to public school and keeping up with calculus or pre-calc trig, all that.

00:56:01.100 Yeah.

00:56:01.260 When the teacher was understanding and helpful, it was, it was okay.

00:56:05.240 I was able to work with them.

00:56:06.860 The later, the more advanced the concepts got, the less time the general ed teachers had to

00:56:12.460 work with me on it after school, before school, et cetera.

00:56:15.100 And I would fall behind sometimes.

00:56:17.000 My grades would drop and I was huge into having good grades.

00:56:20.160 Yeah.

00:56:20.480 I didn't want to fail out or not pass the MCAS or, you know, even the SATs I needed.

00:56:26.200 It was important to get a good score to get, go to a good school.

00:56:28.740 Wow.

00:56:29.520 And so I pushed myself and wasn't always succeeding in math and felt like, okay, what

00:56:35.820 am I going to do?

00:56:36.400 You know, I got really depressed.

00:56:38.600 And also the fact that it was harder to make friends was making it worse.

00:56:42.780 Yeah.

00:56:42.880 That only adds to it.

00:56:44.380 But when I got a dog, man, it was so much easier to make friends.

00:56:47.880 People love dogs.

00:56:48.860 Oh yeah.

00:56:49.180 And as long as you're putting the attention on the dog and not yourself to begin with,

00:56:52.580 people feel a lot more comfortable.

00:56:54.060 So I use that as my kind of helpful strategy and working through depression, I, I have

00:57:01.340 a couple of really good friends who were going through similar times.

00:57:05.380 We helped each other out.

00:57:06.660 We were there for each other and it's important to recognize when you're down, let yourself

00:57:11.740 be down and then find a way to pull yourself out.

00:57:14.400 Mine was creativity.

00:57:15.840 Just being as creative as possible.

00:57:18.340 Yeah.

00:57:18.560 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.420 And you can see that even in your work.

00:57:20.760 I mean, it seems like you really go beyond what people would, what an everyday person

00:57:26.760 would expect of a blind person.

00:57:28.340 Like you kind of want to kind of change the norm a little bit.

00:57:31.760 Yeah.

00:57:32.180 Technology helps us level the playing field.

00:57:34.820 Yeah.

00:57:35.040 It's interesting because you work and now in voiceover, you are a character actress, right?

00:57:39.680 Yes.

00:57:40.120 Yeah.

00:57:40.240 I do a lot of accents and different characters, put myself into them.

00:57:45.020 Yeah.

00:57:45.380 One of the best pieces of advice I ever came across with acting is, I don't know if you

00:57:50.360 agree with this since you're, you're an actor yourself and standup comedian.

00:57:53.900 Um, I found that when they say that when you put yourself into whatever character you're

00:58:00.420 playing, whether or not you're dressing it up with an accent or not, if you put your own

00:58:04.780 truth into it, it is what they're looking for.

00:58:08.580 Just heard that today from Gianni actually, who is, yeah, he's actually our actor on set

00:58:13.640 of, uh, who's here is Gianni and he's, uh, he was just in a film and, um, and yeah, he

00:58:19.540 was just helping me with some lines earlier and he literally said that like a half hour

00:58:22.560 before you got here.

00:58:23.360 So it's funny.

00:58:24.500 Nice.

00:58:25.340 It's a small, uh, so yeah, it's a small circle of truth right here.

00:58:29.980 Um, so is that, um, and how did you get into that?

00:58:34.140 Did you?

00:58:35.300 Stumbled into it.

00:58:36.260 Really?

00:58:36.740 Yeah.

00:58:36.880 Yes.

00:58:37.180 Thank you, Stephen King.

00:58:39.160 Um, I went to my local library to pick out, I used to get books on tape.

00:58:43.700 Oh yeah.

00:58:44.540 All the time.

00:58:44.740 Those are good.

00:58:45.380 Oh yeah.

00:58:45.680 And we used to get movies at the library.

00:58:46.980 You remember that?

00:58:47.560 Oh yeah.

00:58:48.200 Oh yeah.

00:58:48.660 I used to borrow those too.

00:58:49.860 Yeah.

00:58:50.360 Forced my family to watch all these horror films that they hated.

00:58:53.020 It's so dark arts.

00:58:54.420 Dude, I would be so scared if I had a blind child who brought home horror films all the time.

00:58:59.240 They don't want to piss me off.

00:59:00.680 I bet they wouldn't.

00:59:01.780 But do you, was your family ever, did they, did your family ever get, cause here's another

00:59:08.380 thing and now you're making me think some people would be scared of blind people.

00:59:12.680 Oh, oh my God.

00:59:14.720 Yeah.

00:59:15.120 Like not in a way.

00:59:16.180 Yeah.

00:59:16.340 But like in a way, yeah.

00:59:17.640 Like in a way where like, like maybe you're actually just pretending and you're working

00:59:22.240 for the other side or something.

00:59:23.820 Oh yeah.

00:59:24.620 Like you're an undercover agent.

00:59:25.780 Where you're actually not blind or something.

00:59:26.820 Yeah.

00:59:27.220 Yeah.

00:59:27.520 Like what if they're just, you know.

00:59:29.200 See, they would make really good Russian spies, right?

00:59:31.380 Yeah.

00:59:33.160 No, I'm just kidding.

00:59:34.220 No, I'm not.

00:59:36.040 Yeah, I think so.

00:59:37.060 But I could see, especially at young ages, people being very, I guess like it must, some

00:59:45.440 people must, you must be able to just see a clear line in people.

00:59:48.700 Like some people are just so empathetic probably.

00:59:50.540 And so like, did you see a lot of that growing up or do you see a lot of that more of as an

00:59:55.000 adult?

00:59:56.580 Um, that's, let's see.

00:59:58.420 So as a kid, I did notice that the teachers around me did try their best to accommodate.

01:00:04.980 A lot of them just weren't sure what I needed.

01:00:07.720 I was a dual learner.

01:00:08.580 So I used large print on a video magnifier and Braille.

01:00:12.680 And so they were always like, uh, so you use print, but, uh, how are we supposed to, what

01:00:18.860 do you, what do you exactly need?

01:00:20.400 Yeah.

01:00:20.920 They were so confused.

01:00:22.520 So, so they were like empathetic to a point, but they were also stressed out because they're

01:00:27.420 like, oh God, we have like 30 kids and we have to accommodate this blind kid.

01:00:30.920 Oh my God.

01:00:31.460 What am I going to do?

01:00:32.080 Um, but the kids at that age, the younger, the better they were, they were more accepting.

01:00:39.020 But then middle school, high school, they were just like, see you later.

01:00:41.980 Yeah.

01:00:42.500 You know, but, uh, in college as an adult, I found a mixture of both where people were

01:00:47.880 really mature and cool about it and interested to know.

01:00:51.380 And it helped that I went to a liberal school as well.

01:00:54.240 But yeah, Simmons, you said, Simmons.

01:00:55.920 Yeah.

01:00:56.300 Now a lot of pervy dudes just trying to bang a blind gal or what?

01:01:00.060 Like, honestly, well, there's a lot of that too.

01:01:03.060 I could imagine.

01:01:03.780 Yeah.

01:01:03.920 Cause there's a lot of guys, you know, kind of like different types of styles of stuff,

01:01:08.220 you know?

01:01:08.480 And I just wonder if, if that, did you get some of that?

01:01:11.600 I did.

01:01:12.240 I got some of that kind of thing where people were trying to flirt with me, but a lot of

01:01:16.800 the time I didn't pick up on it.

01:01:17.960 Cause I'm like, who would want to flirt with me?

01:01:19.680 Right.

01:01:20.120 Like, you know, I guess my confidence was not as, as, as a solid at that point.

01:01:26.160 So I was just like, nobody likes me.

01:01:27.900 Why would anybody want to talk to me?

01:01:29.060 Oh man, that must've been such a tough feeling, huh?

01:01:31.500 Yeah.

01:01:31.800 It was kind of contributed to the depression for a bit there, but that happens.

01:01:36.760 All teenagers sort of go through that whole angsty period in their lives where they're

01:01:40.440 like, my life sucks.

01:01:42.300 Everyone hates me.

01:01:43.140 Nobody understands me.

01:01:44.500 Why am I even here?

01:01:45.820 Yeah.

01:01:46.140 But I didn't pick up on it.

01:01:47.740 Like friends would tell me, oh, so-and-so is totally hitting on you.

01:01:50.060 I'd be like, really?

01:01:52.600 How do you get that?

01:01:53.620 Where do you get that from?

01:01:54.800 Well, the comments and whatever, they were staring at you.

01:01:57.360 I'm like, really?

01:01:58.500 Okay.

01:01:59.440 That's, that's cool.

01:02:00.880 Not interested, but that's cool.

01:02:02.960 And in college, would you get some more pervy type of dudes?

01:02:05.740 I could see a guy that's been like, or even a guy not pervy, just very honest.

01:02:09.460 Like, hey, I've, I've always wanted to make love to a blind woman.

01:02:12.660 Is this something you'd be interested in?

01:02:14.720 You know?

01:02:14.900 Yeah, I, I got, like, when I did the online dating thing for a bit and put on my profile

01:02:20.660 because I was sick of dealing with people that found out that I was blind and then were

01:02:23.880 like, see you later.

01:02:25.080 Just ghosted.

01:02:26.260 So I was like, no, I'm done with this BS crap.

01:02:28.420 Like, I'm just going to post right here that I'm visually impaired.

01:02:31.280 If you don't like it, like, don't even bother.

01:02:32.760 Blind AF.

01:02:33.600 That's what I'd put on there, you know?

01:02:35.840 Blind ever after.

01:02:36.920 Yeah.

01:02:37.560 Oh, blind as fuck, you know?

01:02:39.320 Blind as fuck.

01:02:40.080 Nice.

01:02:40.780 Just to be, you know what I'm saying?

01:02:41.860 Like, might as well also be progressive.

01:02:43.860 So progressive, you know what I'm saying?

01:02:45.520 Like, not only am I blind, dude, but I'm so fucking blind, you know?

01:02:48.560 Exactly.

01:02:49.380 You know?

01:02:49.940 It's like John Cena, like, you can't see me, you know?

01:02:52.900 Blind as fuck until I drink, right?

01:02:56.420 So, I did have some of that.

01:02:58.900 Would you have guys that came in like, so you dated online and so then you just put blind?

01:03:03.180 I did.

01:03:03.720 Yeah.

01:03:04.200 And I did.

01:03:04.560 And was that easier?

01:03:05.360 It was, honestly.

01:03:06.280 People just knew and they weren't, like, all weird about it when they found out.

01:03:11.160 I mean, I met up with a couple of them and then was just like, yeah, no, I'm good, you

01:03:15.540 know?

01:03:15.860 Yeah, that's basically, I think that is online dating for everyone.

01:03:19.260 I think you described that.

01:03:20.460 Yeah.

01:03:21.000 That's everybody's experience.

01:03:22.220 Yeah.

01:03:23.240 A lot of time spent, you meet up and then, eh.

01:03:26.180 Yeah, you're just like, interesting.

01:03:27.660 I met a mathematician one time and he talked about math the entire time.

01:03:31.700 I'm like, dude, you do realize I hate math, right?

01:03:33.740 I really hate math.

01:03:34.940 It's like, let's just talk about random stuff and then go our separate ways because I'm

01:03:39.480 never going to contact you again.

01:03:40.620 I'm just going to be honest.

01:03:42.180 You're like, man, I wish I was blind and deaf right now.

01:03:44.740 Seriously, right now?

01:03:45.500 Because this guy's the worst.

01:03:47.760 That would be great.

01:03:48.840 Well, look, that's how I feel.

01:03:50.160 Like, sometimes I'm like, gosh, I wish.

01:03:52.700 Sometimes I wish, you know what's crazy is?

01:03:54.420 I wish, and I guess it's a selfish thing to say to somebody that can't, that has, that's

01:03:59.720 sight impaired, but sometimes I wish I just could shut down some of the sensory overload.

01:04:04.220 Well, see, if you're a computer, you can just go visual or ocular sensors off and just turn

01:04:09.260 it off for the moment.

01:04:11.040 That would be great.

01:04:12.380 But I'm waiting for the days when not only the singularity happens, but we're able to

01:04:17.560 get a chip and plant it that can't be hacked.

01:04:20.300 Apple, you listening?

01:04:22.000 I know, they're listening.

01:04:24.180 That way we can turn off senses we don't want for the time being.

01:04:27.860 Oh, wow.

01:04:28.880 That would be cool.

01:04:29.820 That could be plausible, but it certainly makes sense, huh?

01:04:32.100 Self-driving cars are a thing.

01:04:33.620 So I, I don't see why not with, this could help a lot of people out.

01:04:39.480 Do you feel sometimes like you have more of an intuitiveness to, I don't even know what,

01:04:46.340 but just-

01:04:46.700 Maybe how people are feeling sometimes?

01:04:48.520 Yeah.

01:04:48.840 Like, are there, are there intuitions that you've, that you just, if you had to just trust your

01:04:53.420 own, trust your own instincts for something, are there things that you, what can you do

01:04:57.120 better than people that can see that?

01:04:59.740 And maybe they could do it-

01:05:01.200 Ooh, sounds like a job interview.

01:05:02.100 They could do, they may be able to do it better, but they're not able to recognize it because

01:05:08.040 they don't live in the same space that you do.

01:05:09.900 Like, is there-

01:05:10.940 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:05:12.420 Um, and not even in a braggadocious way, but what do you feel like you have more of an

01:05:16.980 insight into or more of a ability to do than people that are almost overwhelmed with sight

01:05:24.960 or just that are, that have, that have to see all the time?

01:05:27.460 Yeah.

01:05:28.320 I would say focusing on one task.

01:05:31.140 In our technology-driven ADD age, it's impossible for people to focus on anything longer than

01:05:37.700 three seconds.

01:05:38.460 We're kind of like Dory the goldfish, right?

01:05:40.920 Oh, yeah.

01:05:41.400 So, from Finding Nemo, she's, her memory's like a goldfish.

01:05:44.100 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:05:44.600 I remember her.

01:05:45.220 Yeah.

01:05:45.740 Cute.

01:05:47.200 Comic, comedian reference, right?

01:05:49.180 But, um, we, we tend to get distracted very easily to different things and get bored

01:05:55.500 quick.

01:05:56.140 I would say that if I'm interested in something, I can focus on it until I'm done with that.

01:06:00.200 So, whether it is a particular song or a particular movie, I like to, I really enjoy

01:06:05.660 personally art, and I don't know if this is related to me being blind or if this is just

01:06:08.880 a personality thing, but I love admiring people's art, whether it is through something auditory

01:06:15.900 art like tap dancing or going to the Nutcracker and listening to an audio described version

01:06:22.240 of the performance.

01:06:23.220 I can really enjoy all the nuances of, of the work and the time that went into practicing

01:06:29.480 and practicing and completely solidifying their performance to get to that point.

01:06:34.940 Like Broadway plays, for example.

01:06:36.380 I love them.

01:06:37.620 I can pick up on people's voice.

01:06:40.360 Because there's so much going on.

01:06:41.780 Mm-hmm.

01:06:42.140 There's so much going on.

01:06:42.960 But it's specific.

01:06:43.820 Hamilton is hard to follow.

01:06:45.720 I could tell you that.

01:06:46.520 Yeah.

01:06:47.240 But it's one, two, one.

01:06:48.120 It's hard to hear about on Twitter, too.

01:06:49.560 I feel you.

01:06:51.500 But I imagine that it's great.

01:06:52.900 I haven't been.

01:06:53.780 It is.

01:06:54.360 It is.

01:06:54.780 But I, Lion King was the last Broadway musical that I went to.

01:06:59.600 Nice.

01:06:59.760 But I could imagine that because there's a lot of.

01:07:02.820 A lot of stuff going on.

01:07:04.400 But it's very specific and it's organized to portray something.

01:07:08.760 To portray a show.

01:07:10.440 To portray a story.

01:07:12.060 Yeah.

01:07:12.700 Art imitates life.

01:07:14.080 And so you're able to put that together.

01:07:15.640 Mm-hmm.

01:07:16.300 Yeah.

01:07:16.560 I love it.

01:07:17.360 It's brilliant.

01:07:18.120 And in general, just being able to focus on one thing or another or pick up on things

01:07:23.620 others don't.

01:07:24.540 Mm-hmm.

01:07:24.720 I've noticed that we tend to pick up on other sensory cues that folks didn't, maybe someone

01:07:31.480 who's sighted, who's around us, did not because they were focusing on what the person was wearing

01:07:35.440 totally.

01:07:36.260 Mm-hmm.

01:07:36.540 You know, oh, so-and-so, you know, I love their hairstyle or whatever dress.

01:07:43.060 It was this brand and this material.

01:07:44.840 I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:07:46.280 But, you know, their voice expressed this or their footsteps, you know, they sounded

01:07:51.960 kind of less confident because their gait was stumbly or not even or what have you.

01:07:58.280 Wow, it's so crazy.

01:07:59.880 I feel like you have like such a, I guess just like you have such a, the ability to hear

01:08:09.900 and be able to interpret things so much, it just feels like such a unique skill kind

01:08:15.120 of.

01:08:15.340 And anyone can develop it.

01:08:17.020 Like if, you know, and, and obviously this is not something I would ever wish upon anyone,

01:08:21.140 but let's say you lost your vision temporarily due to something, some surgery or what have

01:08:26.780 you.

01:08:27.500 I love surgery too.

01:08:28.600 Yeah.

01:08:29.140 I do.

01:08:30.060 So I could see it.

01:08:31.180 You love surgery.

01:08:31.860 That's awesome.

01:08:32.560 I could see it happening.

01:08:33.360 I listened to your last episode where you were discussing, you were thinking about being

01:08:36.200 a doctor.

01:08:36.980 Oh, yeah.

01:08:37.500 Um, and then they brought you in and they just kind of dumped you into it all.

01:08:41.460 That must've been horrifying.

01:08:42.360 Yeah.

01:08:42.680 Yeah.

01:08:43.500 Oh, with Tom Segura in?

01:08:44.860 Yeah.

01:08:45.480 Yeah.

01:08:46.200 Yeah.

01:08:46.400 But yeah, surgery, I mean, watching it is interesting too.

01:08:51.160 Yeah.

01:08:51.520 I guess.

01:08:52.140 I mean, that kind of stuff kind of creeps me out.

01:08:53.860 I mean, I think, you know, if you're in a horror flicks, it might be more your vibe,

01:08:57.140 you know, it might be your thing.

01:08:58.180 One of my colleagues had a major abdominal surgery and he was supposed to go to sleep

01:09:03.000 under local, but as you know, it never works like it's supposed to.

01:09:06.060 And he woke up and he was awake during the whole thing.

01:09:09.020 He was traumatized.

01:09:10.060 Poor guy.

01:09:10.520 It was just.

01:09:11.420 Jeepers.

01:09:11.960 Yeah.

01:09:12.660 Awful.

01:09:13.560 Yeah.

01:09:13.820 Just kind of moseying around during your own lobotomy.

01:09:16.540 That sounds.

01:09:17.580 Awful.

01:09:18.120 Yeah.

01:09:18.560 It sounds risky.

01:09:19.760 Yeah.

01:09:20.340 Definitely.

01:09:20.980 For your psyche.

01:09:21.880 Yeah.

01:09:22.360 It sounds risky for your psyche.

01:09:24.560 Anyone can develop those skills of recognizing.

01:09:28.180 Nuance and sound.

01:09:29.380 But so then we get lazy with our sight then.

01:09:31.620 We get.

01:09:32.120 Or because we have sight.

01:09:33.700 We.

01:09:34.800 Yes.

01:09:35.240 You use it as your primary sense.

01:09:36.900 We're sight lazy.

01:09:38.340 Right.

01:09:39.000 Yeah.

01:09:39.520 Like you take it all in visually.

01:09:41.120 Oh, yeah.

01:09:41.480 I know I am.

01:09:42.900 Yeah.

01:09:43.700 You don't need the additional, you know, sound cues because you can see it.

01:09:48.940 Yeah.

01:09:49.580 It makes sense.

01:09:50.720 Yeah.

01:09:50.980 It makes sense, I guess.

01:09:52.020 But it also it makes it makes me almost forget about the other senses that I have sometimes.

01:09:55.560 I get so just used to looking at the picture, you know, but actually for Halloween, one

01:10:01.820 of my favorite games to play with friends was blindfold everybody and then stick their

01:10:06.260 hands in bowls of stuff and tell them, oh, this is worms when it's actually spaghetti.

01:10:11.080 Yeah.

01:10:11.440 Or like peel grapes.

01:10:13.520 Oh, you want to hold an eyeball?

01:10:15.040 Yeah.

01:10:15.380 You're like, welcome to my world.

01:10:18.500 So does everything, does the world feel a little bit haunted since you can't see that

01:10:22.000 much?

01:10:22.220 Like, does everything feel kind of like, is it spooky or does it feel like kind of like

01:10:28.520 like you're in sound of music or like what does it feel like, I guess?

01:10:32.880 It depends on my frame of mind.

01:10:34.620 So if I freak myself out in some way by watching something or I don't know, hearing some story

01:10:41.120 that really sticks with me and I'm out and about by myself, I'd be like, oh my God, I'm

01:10:45.760 going to get murdered.

01:10:46.860 This is really creepy.

01:10:48.920 And then try to come up.

01:10:50.960 Sometimes I'll even try to come up with a story or like even if I do get startled, I'm

01:10:54.920 like, okay, how did I do that?

01:10:56.380 Like, what did I do to get startled?

01:10:57.920 I'm going to need this for voice acting.

01:10:59.220 So I'll try to bring it over, bring over those, those natural reactions and keep it

01:11:04.340 in mind.

01:11:04.780 Like, how do I react?

01:11:05.800 And I'll watch movies and I'll pay attention to the actors, how they do it and what makes

01:11:11.320 them a good performer and try to adopt it.

01:11:13.360 So I kind of multitask it all.

01:11:15.860 But sound of music, if I'm really excited about something, like I'll tell you, when I

01:11:21.820 got this opportunity, I was so excited.

01:11:23.840 The last couple of days have been like, oh my God, the world is awesome.

01:11:28.040 Oh, that's awesome to hear that.

01:11:30.160 Yeah.

01:11:30.660 That's cool.

01:11:31.500 Yeah.

01:11:31.720 We were really excited too.

01:11:33.060 You know, we've been trying to find somebody.

01:11:35.260 Honestly, we've been trying to find a blind person for a while.

01:11:37.800 Really?

01:11:38.440 Yeah.

01:11:38.900 Oh.

01:11:39.580 So we need more blind people, I think.

01:11:41.600 Hey, I can recommend some more people if you need.

01:11:44.500 If we have follow up questions, I think this has been very interesting.

01:11:47.640 Sweet.

01:11:47.860 We have a couple of video calls that came in as well.

01:11:50.380 Sure.

01:11:51.340 So let's put our headphones on.

01:11:53.600 And this first one comes from Marco.

01:11:58.800 Hey, Theo.

01:12:00.060 Marco from New Zealand.

01:12:02.040 My question is, if there's one thing that she comes across every day that sighted people

01:12:11.640 don't understand that they could change to help her, what would that be?

01:12:18.320 Gang, gang.

01:12:19.420 Gang, gang, Marco.

01:12:20.240 Thank you.

01:12:20.560 That's a good question.

01:12:21.920 Tanya, what do you think about that?

01:12:24.220 So should I leave these on or take them off?

01:12:25.980 Yeah, we'll leave them on.

01:12:27.260 We'll leave them on.

01:12:27.280 We have a couple more.

01:12:28.000 We have a couple that we had a ton, actually.

01:12:30.940 We procured a couple.

01:12:33.640 So one thing that sighted people could do, in my opinion, that would help is if they could

01:12:40.340 just let us know what specifically makes them uncomfortable in situations and what we could

01:12:47.840 do better to sort of put them at ease, that would be helpful for us because then it wouldn't

01:12:52.440 be all on us to try to figure out how to make people comfortable.

01:12:56.180 But then also, we should get better about asking for help, I think, if we need it.

01:13:02.820 But then I guess sighted people should trust us to know what we need and when we need help

01:13:09.600 and just to let them know what it is.

01:13:12.420 And also, don't be afraid to ask questions.

01:13:14.200 That's one of the things a lot of people are uncomfortable with, which I get.

01:13:18.880 I mean, I would feel the same way.

01:13:20.820 I don't know much about mobility issues.

01:13:24.380 So if I were talking to someone with mobility issues, I would feel like, oh, I don't want

01:13:29.320 to offend them.

01:13:29.980 I don't want to ask anything that's rude or ignorant.

01:13:32.880 And it's hard because you're making yourself vulnerable by asking.

01:13:35.820 But my thought is just put it out there.

01:13:37.940 If you have any questions, go for it.

01:13:40.560 And the other thing is giving directions.

01:13:42.740 I think people need to get way better at that.

01:13:45.320 It's like, it's over there.

01:13:47.740 It's that way.

01:13:49.140 I'm sorry, where?

01:13:50.720 To my right?

01:13:51.240 To my left?

01:13:51.580 And then I just start pointing in every cardinal direction.

01:13:54.740 North, southeast, or west?

01:13:56.160 Which direction?

01:13:58.100 Yeah.

01:13:58.940 They're always like, yeah, go a couple blocks till you smell a little bit of skirt steak

01:14:03.800 and then take a left.

01:14:04.900 And you're like, what?

01:14:05.860 Nice.

01:14:06.300 You're like, what is going on around here?

01:14:11.520 What are you on?

01:14:12.820 Yeah, that's a great question.

01:14:15.160 It's interesting because it just sounds like really communication, you know?

01:14:17.940 Do you feel like in the times that we're in right now or like, not the times, but as the

01:14:22.960 times that like the media likes to make it feel like we're in with like social justice

01:14:27.460 warriors and everybody getting offended, that people I've noticed are less, feel less

01:14:35.840 comfortable asking questions that can actually be helpful.

01:14:38.400 Do you notice any of that?

01:14:40.260 Like people are more worried about offending you than they are about engaging with you?

01:14:43.740 All the time.

01:14:44.700 It's just easier not to engage than risk offending someone and getting sued, right?

01:14:49.040 Everyone's afraid of getting sued.

01:14:50.780 And that must come down tougher even in your community because, or not in that, in this

01:14:56.380 lawsuit way, but just, or maybe so, but also just that, you know, you need more communication.

01:15:02.160 Yes, I think communication for us is key because we may not be able to tell body language or

01:15:07.240 eye contact whether the person is interested in communicating with us or interacting.

01:15:11.720 So just talking and literally talking everything out, which doesn't sound intuitive at all because

01:15:18.180 you guys are used to body language and just kind of, hey, I'm pointing at you, hey, you

01:15:23.300 know, gesturing and what have you.

01:15:27.820 So that's a big gap right there.

01:15:30.280 And if we all just used our words a lot more instead of memes and, and emojis, I think

01:15:36.220 we'd get more.

01:15:37.360 We need to go back to the nineties.

01:15:38.960 I know, huh?

01:15:40.120 Yeah.

01:15:40.680 Back when there was some real actually information.

01:15:42.840 I know.

01:15:43.400 I know.

01:15:43.780 I miss that.

01:15:44.760 Yeah.

01:15:45.020 It's interesting.

01:15:46.120 And now we have movies with all texting, like the whole movie is texting and Skyping,

01:15:50.540 right?

01:15:50.880 Yeah.

01:15:51.200 It's like, what is that even about?

01:15:52.100 What is this?

01:15:54.980 Yeah.

01:15:55.860 That's regular life.

01:15:57.280 I know.

01:15:58.720 What else do we have?

01:15:59.740 Let's take another question that came in.

01:16:01.440 This was actually a Patreon question.

01:16:03.100 So it was written.

01:16:04.620 It comes from Dalton Windham.

01:16:07.180 He said, if you had perfect vision for just one day, what would you do during that time?

01:16:12.220 Ooh, that's awesome.

01:16:15.500 Probably.

01:16:17.900 Hmm.

01:16:18.260 look at the coral reef or go to, go to all the tourist attractions, like the, the Grand

01:16:25.560 Canyon and, um, maybe climb a mountain, look at the view, all the things that are visual.

01:16:33.540 I would probably want to, want to do like all the traditional and maybe even, oh, I'd probably

01:16:41.120 want to be on set for a day and just act without having to worry about not meeting my mark.

01:16:46.100 I'd want to incorporate that somewhere in that day.

01:16:49.840 So yeah, you take that worry out of your field and then you can just be even more free probably.

01:16:55.160 Yeah.

01:16:55.720 Yeah.

01:16:56.200 Yeah.

01:16:56.460 Do some on camera work with perfect vision would be awesome.

01:16:59.840 Yeah.

01:17:00.240 That's cool.

01:17:01.200 That is a good one.

01:17:02.760 Uh, anything else, Nick, that came in that you liked?

01:17:04.940 Yeah.

01:17:05.240 This, this, this was a frequently asked one.

01:17:07.660 We had two that were really frequent.

01:17:09.720 Um, here's the first one.

01:17:13.800 What up Theo?

01:17:14.860 What up Tanya?

01:17:16.400 Gang, gang.

01:17:19.140 What up Theo?

01:17:20.200 What up Tanya?

01:17:21.760 Gang, gang.

01:17:23.020 Anyway, I was wondering real quick, uh, Tanya, you know, do you have dreams?

01:17:28.700 And when you have dreams, do you see things?

01:17:32.260 Do you just hear things?

01:17:33.900 Like, I mean, I guess seeing things, I don't know.

01:17:35.960 It might sound ignorant to say that, but I just, I've often wondered what happens when

01:17:41.020 blind people dream.

01:17:42.640 Do you have like, I don't know, visions maybe?

01:17:47.500 I don't know.

01:17:48.400 It's a good question.

01:17:49.480 Thanks.

01:17:49.840 It's interesting.

01:17:50.700 Yeah.

01:17:51.160 What are your dreams like kind of?

01:17:52.540 Are they?

01:17:53.340 Yeah.

01:17:53.720 So first of all, I want to compliment you on the stereo recording you had there.

01:17:57.880 That was cool.

01:17:58.840 And yeah, I, I do dream and see things in my dreams.

01:18:03.480 Like I have, I wouldn't say my sight is any better.

01:18:06.560 Some of my friends that have had more sight before tell me that their dreams are a lot

01:18:11.080 more vivid and visual.

01:18:12.720 So everyone is different with that.

01:18:14.680 And the more people you ask, the different responses you're going to get.

01:18:17.780 But for me, it's, I can see things the same as in real life, but the difference is that

01:18:24.980 my brain kind of knows where everything is.

01:18:26.940 So it's like, I'll know what everything looks like, even though my vision isn't better.

01:18:31.480 I'll know where everything's placed and it's all already mapped in my head.

01:18:36.540 So it's like intuitively just knowing where stuff is, which is cool.

01:18:40.360 Also, I am able to hear things the same way and I haven't mastered lucid dreaming.

01:18:46.560 I'm trying to, that would be awesome.

01:18:48.740 If I could just control my dreams, change them up, make, you know, fly.

01:18:53.220 Like I was able to do that once where, um, I dreamed that I was in an airplane and the

01:18:59.880 top came off kind of like in a car.

01:19:01.280 I had that dream.

01:19:02.060 Really?

01:19:02.700 Yes.

01:19:03.220 Swear to God.

01:19:04.160 And we're going up and down some mountains in the top.

01:19:06.520 It was like a convertible airplane.

01:19:07.700 Yeah.

01:19:08.460 And it was like on clouds.

01:19:10.020 They were like cotton candy from the circus.

01:19:12.180 Oh, wow.

01:19:12.780 It was just kind of floating on clouds and the top of it opened.

01:19:15.580 And then I sort of was like, huh, I wonder what, what would happen if I jumped out without

01:19:20.160 being scared, jumped out.

01:19:21.880 And I put my hands out to my sides and I was just floating and flying around the plane

01:19:26.740 and along the clouds, sitting on them and floating on clouds.

01:19:30.520 It was awesome.

01:19:31.460 Dang.

01:19:32.000 That was the only time I was able to control it, but I'm working on it.

01:19:35.580 Dream journals, they're a thing.

01:19:37.700 Yeah.

01:19:38.300 I'm trying to get that wet dreams.

01:19:40.580 Do they have wet dreams?

01:19:41.460 And if you're blind, if you have the, do they have, I don't know, do women even have wet

01:19:44.740 dreams?

01:19:45.600 Yeah, I would say so.

01:19:47.100 I mean, yeah, that's a thing.

01:19:48.460 It, it happens once in a while.

01:19:50.520 Like when you either don't expect it or if you really like somebody.

01:19:53.740 Yeah.

01:19:54.400 It just like, it comes up or a lot of the times what used to happen for me as a teenager

01:19:58.780 is like, it would be like some burning building or something crazy, like out of Terminator.

01:20:04.000 And then the random guy would show up and be like, do you want to live or you want

01:20:07.740 to die?

01:20:08.100 Let's go.

01:20:08.740 Yeah.

01:20:09.160 You know, and then just go from there.

01:20:11.240 And then I'd wake up like just as I was getting into their car.

01:20:13.940 I was like, what the hell?

01:20:14.840 Really?

01:20:15.620 Why is this happening?

01:20:17.080 Why do I have to wake up right now?

01:20:18.500 This isn't cool.

01:20:19.520 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:20:20.460 I've had some like that.

01:20:21.580 Yeah.

01:20:22.040 I mean, not with the guy, but with a woman, you know?

01:20:24.180 Right.

01:20:24.820 Yeah.

01:20:26.700 What else do we have here?

01:20:28.480 We got one more video question.

01:20:31.280 Let's do.

01:20:31.960 And honestly, this was probably sent in by 12 different people.

01:20:36.520 It's from Andy Ferguson.

01:20:37.560 Yo, what's good, Theo?

01:20:40.440 This is your boy, Andy, up in Portland, Oregon.

01:20:43.180 What's up, Andy?

01:20:43.920 I had a question for Tanja or Tanya.

01:20:48.140 There you go.

01:20:48.540 I don't know if it's a soft J.

01:20:50.460 It's a question that has kept me up many a night just wondering, how do you know when

01:20:58.240 you're done wiping?

01:21:00.220 Gang, gang.

01:21:02.060 Okay.

01:21:02.560 So I guess that's a, if you're going to the bathroom, if you're, you know, if you're going

01:21:05.680 to the bathroom, how do you know when you're done wiping your body?

01:21:08.280 That's kind of like the question where people ask when you're in the shower, how do you see

01:21:11.940 to shower, right?

01:21:13.000 Right.

01:21:13.380 It's like you keep your eyes closed and you shower anyway.

01:21:15.820 Yeah.

01:21:16.060 Um, it's, it's one of those things where you can just like, you use a bunch of toilet

01:21:20.800 paper and then if you're still not, you know, if you're still not clean, then you get a

01:21:25.280 boudet set, right?

01:21:26.280 Yeah.

01:21:26.620 And you just use that on your toilet and you're good and it's actually cleaner and you use

01:21:30.200 less toilet paper.

01:21:31.240 Yeah.

01:21:31.520 But, but no, it's like, seriously, yeah, you just, you just wipe everything a couple times

01:21:38.300 and you make sure it's not uncomfortable and if it's not, you're good.

01:21:41.120 Yeah.

01:21:41.480 And you move on and.

01:21:43.040 Yeah, do a couple extra swabs on deck, you know?

01:21:45.540 Exactly.

01:21:46.060 I feel you.

01:21:47.460 Just like anybody else would.

01:21:49.300 Yeah.

01:21:49.740 Don't just do one time.

01:21:50.940 I don't care who you are.

01:21:52.060 Please don't.

01:21:52.780 Yeah.

01:21:53.520 You don't want to get stuck on the hair, you know?

01:21:55.600 Yeah.

01:21:55.960 Yeah.

01:21:56.140 You got to tighten it up.

01:21:58.200 Um, do you feel like, uh, I'm wondering, was sex very scary since you were sight impaired?

01:22:04.800 Like, was that something that was, it was just kind of regular?

01:22:07.180 No, it was one of those things where it was like, oh, I'm going to try this now.

01:22:10.240 Let's do it.

01:22:11.040 Yeah.

01:22:11.320 And, you know, it's, it's the, the same again with, with like anything else.

01:22:15.800 You got to communicate about everything.

01:22:18.120 Yeah.

01:22:18.380 And you just be upfront and it can be really awkward for sure when you're like, it's your

01:22:23.980 first time or whatever, and you're trying to learn your own preferences and things.

01:22:28.440 It can be really awkward, but you, you've got to find ways to make things less awkward.

01:22:35.960 But you play games, I don't know, you, like, maybe you do some role playing down the line

01:22:41.600 just to make things fun, you know, keep things fun.

01:22:45.420 And you, you have, if, if you're not into it, you just got to be honest, be like, hey,

01:22:49.520 dude, not today.

01:22:50.160 I'm, I'm good.

01:22:50.940 Yeah.

01:22:52.340 Yeah.

01:22:52.660 Yeah.

01:22:52.740 Yeah.

01:22:52.940 Just communicate.

01:22:53.660 Communication.

01:22:54.660 You know, it's funny, the longer that we sit here, the, I just forgot that you were

01:22:59.260 blonde for a second.

01:23:00.560 Nice.

01:23:01.780 That's pretty crazy.

01:23:03.060 I don't know.

01:23:03.660 It just like, yeah, I don't know what, for some reason it was just like, I don't

01:23:06.900 know, just a second ago, I just totally forgot about it.

01:23:10.700 Not that it matters.

01:23:11.560 Not that I was thinking the whole time, oh, you know, Tanya can't see or Tanya's sight

01:23:16.220 impaired, but I just forgot it.

01:23:17.900 Yeah.

01:23:18.140 Well, no, it's like a tiny person or tiny part of who I am.

01:23:22.260 And it doesn't, doesn't obviously make up anyone's identities, just a obstacle or, I

01:23:27.580 mean, you could think of it as an obstacle or just a part of you that you live with and

01:23:31.480 you adapt life to, but it's not really who you are.

01:23:36.140 Like your personality, everyone's personality is blind, is different from the others.

01:23:40.460 And although there are similarities in our experiences, like finding shoppers at stores

01:23:45.200 and getting very vague information on everything or the whole experience where people start

01:23:51.160 helping you and you can tell after five minutes, they're just like, oh, are you going to ask

01:23:55.940 me about one more thing?

01:23:56.720 Please just go away.

01:23:57.940 Yeah.

01:23:58.140 Cause you need more information, right?

01:23:59.960 You have a lot of questions.

01:24:01.320 You do.

01:24:01.800 Yes.

01:24:02.120 Like you need to know what brand it is, what the size is.

01:24:05.320 You know, if you're looking at shoes, for example, um, what other styles they carry and

01:24:10.000 do they have them in your size?

01:24:11.820 You want to feel everything in the store, which people just get.

01:24:14.460 Oh, that's pretty wild.

01:24:15.880 People are like, no, please don't do that.

01:24:17.420 Yeah.

01:24:17.920 That's like a pervert at a, uh, that's like Gianni when he goes to one of those bunny ranches.

01:24:23.420 Nice.

01:24:23.840 You know, he's just wants to feel everything in the store.

01:24:26.520 Like a pervert at a sex store.

01:24:28.140 Nick was all the things you and Nick at Nick was also a premature baby.

01:24:31.340 I don't know if you guys have.

01:24:32.540 No, I didn't know that.

01:24:33.740 So.

01:24:34.460 Premies.

01:24:35.020 Yeah.

01:24:35.900 I was a two pound preemie.

01:24:37.640 Oh, wow.

01:24:38.660 Yeah.

01:24:39.400 And Nick came in.

01:24:40.180 I think he was ready to wrestle.

01:24:41.200 What'd you come in at?

01:24:41.900 I was in, I was, I was pretty heavy.

01:24:43.620 I was in that four to six pound range.

01:24:45.120 Oh yeah.

01:24:46.000 Nice.

01:24:46.360 They called him big Nick around the incubators.

01:24:49.240 You know?

01:24:51.000 Yeah.

01:24:51.620 So that's, um, a last question I have for you is, is your sight impairment, is it in your

01:24:57.760 eyes or is it in your brain?

01:24:59.580 Oh, that's a good one.

01:25:00.640 Cause cortical visual impairment is now the leading cause of blindness in the U S.

01:25:04.660 That's what I was thinking.

01:25:05.620 Yeah.

01:25:06.240 No, I'm joking.

01:25:07.080 I have no, I have no idea what you're talking about there.

01:25:10.560 Oh, it's a processing issue where that is, that would be classified as a brain issue where

01:25:16.160 your brain is just unable to make sense of the images it gets from your eyes.

01:25:19.880 So, so there is that, that's a leading cause now, but no, mine has nothing to do with the

01:25:24.760 way my brain processes anything.

01:25:26.560 It's, it is related to my optic nerve, which connects my eyes to my brain.

01:25:31.180 And a lot of the strands on those have deteriorated.

01:25:35.520 The more they deteriorate due to glaucoma, the less I'm able to perceive, which is why

01:25:41.080 my field of vision is so low.

01:25:42.840 It's, it's like looking through a, a TP tube, you know, you just see directly what's in

01:25:48.100 ahead of you.

01:25:49.460 The funny thing about that is though, when people run across my path, like in front of

01:25:53.880 me, or they step in front of me, to me, it looks like they just appeared out of thin

01:25:58.060 air.

01:25:58.360 Like they're not there and then they're there and I'm like, whoa.

01:26:01.180 Where'd you come from?

01:26:02.300 Dang, so every one of your neighbors is like David Blaine kind of.

01:26:05.100 Yeah.

01:26:06.120 That's so interesting.

01:26:08.620 Do you feel like you have a different insider relationship with like a higher power because

01:26:12.800 you have, because of your impairment?

01:26:14.880 No, I wouldn't say, I'm not really religious, so.

01:26:17.940 But even like spiritual, like, do you feel like even in your spirit, like, do you feel

01:26:21.420 like?

01:26:22.180 Oh, that's a good question.

01:26:23.080 I would say because I'm so fascinated with the supernatural in general, I feel like I can

01:26:27.640 pick up if there is residual energy or spirit activity or something.

01:26:32.560 I used to do as a hobby, like, in paranormal investigation.

01:26:37.060 Hell yeah, you did.

01:26:38.040 Yeah, it was so much fun.

01:26:39.160 Hell yeah, you did, dude.

01:26:40.420 It was so much fun.

01:26:42.940 And this will take us into, you want to tell it now?

01:26:47.160 Yeah, just before we get out of here, we'd like to hear about your two shows.

01:26:51.500 Yeah.

01:26:52.040 Yeah, specifically, yeah.

01:26:53.580 Yeah.

01:26:54.120 So I'll mention Vast Horizon, which is done by Fool and Scholar Productions.

01:26:59.220 Caitlin and Travis are super talented as a team, and they also created the White Vault,

01:27:04.700 which I encourage you to check out.

01:27:06.560 But this is creeping horror.

01:27:09.120 Like, this starts out where it sets up the story and the characters, and it's this agronomist

01:27:14.480 who wakes up on-

01:27:16.400 It's this what?

01:27:17.160 Agronomist.

01:27:17.700 And what is that?

01:27:18.460 Like, she's a scientist.

01:27:19.880 She studies plants and such.

01:27:21.100 Okay, so a plant person.

01:27:22.840 Mm-hmm.

01:27:23.400 So she wakes up on a colony ship, and she wakes up alone.

01:27:28.460 Like, she's got a tube down her throat, and she's like, oh my God, I'm dying.

01:27:31.660 Wakes up, the medical computer gives her some basic info, and then she realizes that there

01:27:36.060 are no bodies.

01:27:36.980 No one else is on board.

01:27:38.140 She's the only one alive on the ship that she knows of.

01:27:42.160 And gets out of the med bay, tries to figure it out.

01:27:45.820 No lights, only emergency auxiliary lights are on.

01:27:49.340 Mm-hmm.

01:27:49.900 And she starts making contact with the ship's AI.

01:27:52.580 I get to play the AI, which for me is amazing.

01:27:54.900 I love it because I'm so obsessed with artificial intelligence.

01:27:57.860 Mm-hmm.

01:27:58.340 And I have, like, an Alexa at home and everything.

01:28:00.860 Oops, sorry, guys, if I set off your devices here.

01:28:03.540 That's okay.

01:28:04.000 We don't have anything.

01:28:05.120 I mean-

01:28:05.460 She's talking about the listeners.

01:28:06.540 The listeners, yeah.

01:28:07.320 Oh, that's great.

01:28:08.180 Oh, I used to go on the radio and blow a dog whistle all the time.

01:28:11.800 Nice.

01:28:12.320 And change the whole frickin' town, dude.

01:28:14.940 That's great.

01:28:15.720 Yeah, it was pretty good.

01:28:17.360 So that sounds pretty fascinating.

01:28:18.920 Somebody wakes up on a ship and nobody else is there.

01:28:21.480 Yes, exactly.

01:28:22.520 And she needs to survive.

01:28:23.900 Okay.

01:28:24.180 And it tells her story through flashback.

01:28:27.360 You find out how she ended up there and what her mission is.

01:28:31.160 And there are many critical things on the ship that she needs to take care of, including

01:28:35.240 the incubators, you know, the babies and the nursery.

01:28:39.300 And it just gets steadily creepier.

01:28:42.100 There will be a couple seasons.

01:28:43.460 And this is all over audio, right?

01:28:45.580 Yep.

01:28:45.880 This is on vasthorizon.libson.com and thewhitevault.libson.com.

01:28:51.800 You can also find it on Himalaya, which is an app which allows you to stream podcasts.

01:28:57.340 You can listen to various shows.

01:28:58.460 And we'll put the links in the information so people can check them out.

01:29:02.560 Sweet.

01:29:02.860 Um, can you feel when like people are looking at you?

01:29:07.000 Sometimes it feels kind of like the hair on the back of my neck stands up, you know?

01:29:11.820 Does that tell you that we have like a unique energy that is like used through our eyes?

01:29:15.220 Like, is there something like, um, I, yeah, you think of your eyes just as intakers, but

01:29:19.920 they're really, I think it's that, that like your energy is focused on me so I can tell

01:29:24.140 that you're like directly engaged or looking at me directly.

01:29:29.960 Um, I don't know how to put it except you feel watched.

01:29:35.360 So it's, yeah, it's kind of like when you watch any ghost, uh, paranormal investigation

01:29:42.140 show, like paranormal state, you know, ghost, uh, yeah, I'm blanking on the, the taps team

01:29:49.780 there.

01:29:50.100 Oh, I blanked on everything.

01:29:51.980 Yeah.

01:29:52.740 Jesus Christ.

01:29:53.780 So you kind of, you feel like that sense of someone is there or they're, they're watching

01:29:58.040 you.

01:29:58.520 Hmm.

01:29:58.720 Man, it sounds, now it just seems so interesting to be blind because now you get to live in

01:30:04.120 like this constant, like horror novel where anything could happen.

01:30:07.040 Isn't it great?

01:30:07.620 Everything's kind of hunting you.

01:30:09.280 It's just such a, I'm out here with all this color and all, you know, it's just, just kind

01:30:14.980 of milling around with all this fricking, you know, uh, just information that's not really

01:30:22.280 as fascinating sometimes.

01:30:23.980 I mean, it is, but I think what it is, and I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean it in

01:30:27.380 the sense that it's like, I forget about my other senses as much.

01:30:31.920 Like I think, yeah, just being sense lazy, like I forget about like if I had to close

01:30:36.120 my eyes and sit somewhere for a while and just smell or just hear, like what would I even

01:30:40.760 pick up about the world that I'm in?

01:30:42.520 Try it, try it.

01:30:43.440 It's a lot of fun.

01:30:44.400 They have actually a five senses museum exhibit in, um, one of the museums in Denver, actually

01:30:50.540 they had that recently.

01:30:51.300 It was cool.

01:30:51.840 You know, what'd be really neat is if you went and sat somewhere and like in a specific

01:30:55.080 place, like in the world, right.

01:30:56.980 And you did a thing where you just like, you told people like as an audio tape, you told

01:31:03.400 people like all the sounds that were there.

01:31:05.140 And so then someone could go sit in the same place and just notice them.

01:31:10.720 Yeah.

01:31:11.160 Because that's a thing.

01:31:11.860 Like I wouldn't even probably notice until someone said, Hey, do you hear like, Oh wow,

01:31:16.740 that is crazy.

01:31:17.740 I didn't even know what that, you know, I think it could just, you might be able to

01:31:21.820 be like a liaison kind of into like a, like a sound Sherpa kind of, you know, where you

01:31:25.640 could take us up in like a, you know, just kind of in a, just recognizing that, that sounds

01:31:32.540 going on around us a lot of times.

01:31:34.280 Yeah, absolutely.

01:31:35.580 Um, you can do that with any kind of like, there are apps that will help you identify

01:31:40.580 bird calls.

01:31:42.160 That's a big hobby.

01:31:43.460 Oh yeah.

01:31:43.760 A lot of, I like a warbler too.

01:31:45.640 You like them?

01:31:46.180 Yeah.

01:31:47.140 A warbler?

01:31:47.800 Yeah.

01:31:48.380 Yeah.

01:31:48.740 They're kind of cool.

01:31:50.200 Well, I sound like you don't like them really.

01:31:52.100 It's okay.

01:31:52.880 So, so about it.

01:31:53.880 Yeah.

01:31:54.120 Yeah.

01:31:54.400 Yeah.

01:31:55.080 Yeah.

01:31:55.420 I guess I'm, I mean, I don't like them that much, but I do like them though, but.

01:32:00.080 Yeah.

01:32:00.580 But, um, but there, there are so many ways to do that.

01:32:03.240 I mean, there's an app called vision sim, which will simulate different visual conditions

01:32:07.200 like retinopathy, prematurity, diabetic retinopathy, et cetera.

01:32:10.320 And the camera will, you, you look through your camera at objects and you'll see them

01:32:16.200 to the degree you want to imply, to apply that visual impairment.

01:32:21.580 So you can adjust the slider to a hundred percent, which is total to zero percent.

01:32:26.420 So try it out.

01:32:27.420 It's free.

01:32:27.880 It's made by the Braille Institute and it's on, um, the, I, I are the Apple store.

01:32:33.620 What am I saying?

01:32:34.360 The, uh, app store.

01:32:36.000 I will check it out.

01:32:37.140 Uh, I will.

01:32:37.920 And we'll put the link to that as well.

01:32:39.380 Uh, Tanya, we just want to thank you so much for being here and joining us today.

01:32:43.040 And, um, and yeah, I'm curious to check out some of your, uh, your voiceover work.

01:32:49.400 Thank you.

01:32:50.020 And, uh, and just, I don't know, continue to have your voice in my ears sometimes.

01:32:54.680 Oh, absolutely.

01:32:55.720 I really appreciate this opportunity and thank you so much for having me on the show.

01:32:59.520 Yeah.

01:32:59.840 Thank you just for being so candid and just, um, I really feel like I'll just, I kind of

01:33:04.000 learned a lot, I feel like, and, uh, and I'm grateful for you for being willing

01:33:06.900 to, uh, let me learn, you know, and not being judgmental, you know?

01:33:10.340 No, and you, and you were super, you had some wonderful questions.

01:33:12.960 So I appreciate your, your ability to ask some thought provoking things that I hadn't

01:33:18.400 thought of either.

01:33:19.020 Oh, well, communication, right?

01:33:22.160 Like you just said, um, thank you so much.

01:33:24.940 Thank you.

01:33:25.480 Yep.

01:33:25.580 Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

01:33:31.400 I must be cornerstone.

01:33:36.580 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

01:33:42.020 I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking

01:33:54.320 brake and let myself unwind shine that light on me.

01:34:01.780 I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me

01:34:12.480 And I will find a song I will sing it just for you

01:34:20.440 And now I've been moving way too fast On a runaway train with a heavy load of my

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