Chris Lilley | This Past Weekend #200
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 20 minutes
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197.35712
Summary
Chris D'Stefano is one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's the creator and star of the hit Netflix series, Jonah from Tonga and Summer Heights High, and he's one of my favorite people in the world.
Transcript
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What's up? I've got to let you know that Comedy Central has your new favorite podcast, and it's with my friend Chris DiStefano, and it's called Stand Up with Chris DiStefano.
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Every week, Chris and his producer, they listen and they discuss some of the greatest stand-up of all time, from classic bits out of Comedy Central's library to jokes from today's hottest up-and-coming comedians.
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And hey, since they record at Comedy Central's headquarters in New York City, you never know who might drop in.
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Imagine listening to an expertly curated playlist with jokes from John Mulaney and Hannibal Buress to Maria Bamford and Mitch Hedberg.
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And in between each joke, you get to hear behind-the-scenes discussions about the bit or whatever else Chris has on his mind, which is a lot, if you know Chris.
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It's basically two podcasts for the price of one, but completely free.
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Today's guest is one of the funniest people that I've ever seen.
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I'm so honored to be able to sit down with him today.
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I sent him a DM probably a year ago, and I had to come to Australia to be able to sit down with him.
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He has a new series on Netflix called Lunatics.
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He is the creator and the lead of, like, nine different characters in Jonah from Tonga and Summer Heights High, which are two of the most amazing shows.
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You might have to go a little deep into the internet to find them, but I think you should.
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Summer Heights High, Jonah from Tonga, his new Netflix series, Lunatics.
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And I'm just really happy to be sitting here with Mr. Chris Lilly.
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Yeah, dude, I actually had a dream, dude, like a couple nights ago that you were at, like, a restaurant or something.
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It was, like, a fast dream, and you were having, like, maybe, like, a salad or something.
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What do you think you would even eat, you think?
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It was pretty much you because I remember I was meeting you at this restaurant.
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And because I was excited about meeting you, and so I was meeting you at this restaurant.
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And then it kind of cut to, yeah, it looked like you were having, like, a salad or something.
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Did I look like, because you don't know what I really look like.
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You would be thinking of the characters and stuff.
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I mean, yeah, I'm trying to think of what character maybe would be having, like, a salad.
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He's, like, kind of a victim of, like, society a little bit, you think?
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Well, does he do his own thing, or is he, like, a?
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like he's, like, aspirational.
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It's, like, everyone wishes they had the balls to do the stuff that he does and say the stuff he does.
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But I think he gets away with it because he's a little bit unaware of how impactful it is, which, yeah, maybe that's the spectrum thing.
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Yeah, it's kind of a blessing, too, to be a little bit unaware.
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Yeah, once you get too aware, stuff's not that fun a lot of times.
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You could see some scenes where it cuts away from him, I noticed, because he was just going
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Well, because we just keep rolling, I think he didn't quite know when we were on or not.
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But he picked up on a lot of the language and he started ad-libbing and throwing in a few
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And we're talking about lunatics for people that haven't checked it out.
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It must be great to see like in the beginning, a guy like Dylan, an actor like him kind of
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learning his way, but by the end, him starting to get that confidence and stuff.
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There's a lot of scenes where we drive off in this little red car together.
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And I had to like pull out the audio because as we drive off, he was like, fuck, slow down,
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Like swearing at me and just like he was just, he got into it so much.
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A little bit, but I just, usually these people that we cast, you kind of just roll with whatever
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Like you've, you've chosen them for a reason and you just make the best of what they have
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Well, I choose all the people that I'm, um, I have a really great team of casting people
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They walk around the streets and find them or they'll just like rock up to schools or whatever.
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Because it's so specific, the kind of people we need that you have to like search far and
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It must be that it seems like you almost need like kind of a garden.
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You set up a garden and you're kind of the, the rabbit in a way.
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So it's like every, the other people are still amazing people and humans and everything, but
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It's almost like you have to have a place to put where your creativity just is be able
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to kind of flow through the, the, the, the slalom poles of the other characters.
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Some of them have some acting experience, but a lot of them are real people and they're,
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And then when you're on set, it's kind of like, Oh shit, there's Chris Lee.
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So you kind of have to adapt to the new version of them.
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Because you can't talk them back into the regular version.
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I try to a little bit, but then it makes them lose confidence.
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So sometimes I'm like, I'll fix it in the edit.
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But I mean, they do, the great thing about that is then you get these magic moments where
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they just, they do these things that actors never do.
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Like, and you're like, shit, that's so real and good.
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Is it hard for you sometimes when you know a moment like that is, cause I can imagine
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there are probably times where in a scene, you know, a moment just happened that was
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so perfect that it's like, is it hard sometimes to, are you able to notice those as they happen
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And then a part of me is also like watching the cameras and I've told those guys what
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I can see the way the cameras are moving at the same time.
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Like, cause we have two cameras rolling at the same time and yeah, it's a weird thing.
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And I can sort of, I'm editing it in my head as I'm doing the scene.
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I'm not trying to make myself sound like I'm just like, it's a weird process and
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Well, there's not a lot of people that do, that have ever done really kind of what you,
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I mean, Ari and I were talking about it yesterday.
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There's like, you know, in the U S we have, who's that guy, Ari?
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A little bit of Sasha Baron Cohen, but his, some of his stuff is a little more mean spirited,
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I think, where, um, yours is just kind of like this world that is just so, it's all
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It seems like a lot of times, is that the vibe on set or does it get sometimes a little
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Like you have to manage so much that it's hard to stay in the fun stuff.
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It's probably more, it's a little bit more serious, but it's pretty relaxed and kind
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It's, it's a really quiet, thoughtful kind of set.
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Like it's not, yeah, that's not people like, like often you have like a first, first AD
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that will be yelling at everyone, but in our world, it's just very peaceful and he's, he
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talks quietly and it's just about getting those moments.
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Cause I've thought it through so much before we get on set that I just know I need these
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So it's not like everyone's laughing their heads off the whole time.
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You kind of know, like you sort of, you know how it's going to come together.
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Um, yeah, it's, it's more like peaceful than hilarious on set.
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Do, um, do you feel like, like recently I was thinking about like what makes like why
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laughter is like important to me kind of, you know, or what like it's always been to
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Like, and sometimes I was thinking that, you know, I feel like laughter.
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It's like, it was like when people were laughing when I was young, it was like the only time
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Like for some reason in my head, I was always kind of judging myself or, or I thought other
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people thought something was wrong with me, you know?
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And so I knew if they were laughing and they couldn't be like not liking me at the same
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Like if I have those people laughing, there's no way they could be laughing, you know, see,
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seeing their smile and hearing the joy come out of them and also not liking me.
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So it was like a second of like peace in my, in my head or in my spirit or something.
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Do you, what is, what is laughter kind of been like for you or the, or the ability to make
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Like what's something, do you have any thoughts on any of that from your own experience in
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I mean, it's so, it's everything, like every friendship I have, it's a bit about laughing
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and making jokes about things and just, yeah, I'm not really friends with serious people.
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It's like so fun to just, even friends that I just text, it's just all jokes.
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Like, and it's not like we're like, you know, it's yeah, everything's funny.
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It's just about seeing the funny side of everything.
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Um, yeah, similar thing, like growing up, I just knew that there was a sort of power
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And I think, I feel like you're the youngest as well or something.
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Um, but it's, yeah, I remember just being like five and then, uh, my brother and sister
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were actually born in the same year, January, December, but anyway, they were like, I thought
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Cause I've always felt like there was something else out there for me, you know?
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Told my mom that it was triplets whenever they were going in there and then nothing,
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Can you have two that don't make it and one comes out?
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I've always secretly thought I was a twin and that my mom is keeping it a secret and
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I like hit her up with that a couple of years ago and she had a, like a flinch on it.
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I think when it comes to stuff like that, like about birth and like, you know, family
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history and stuff, I think they don't like to share all of that.
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I guess it's in their day, it was more of a, you just went off and did it and didn't talk
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They used to, sometimes they'd take a car down to, you know, maybe Byron Bay or something,
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you know, and just have a baby down there and come back and never even have a baby.
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Just like, oh, I was, you know, kind of fat for a bit.
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But I mean, yeah, people back in the day, you'd drive off to another town, Boston, and
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give the kid to a charity or something, come back, you know, it was.
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The only thing my mom said once, cause I talked, I was talking about how the circumference of
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I was like, I've got a massive head and I have to get extra large hats.
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And she's like, and she was like, yeah, I remember.
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So apparently it was a big head when it came out.
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So you had the two older, you had the two older siblings.
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Although I was going to say like, they were like kind of pre, no, that would have been
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like teenagers when I was about five and they're kind of stressing out.
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The parents are stressing out about them cause they're the eldest and they have to like,
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And I remember just doing stupid gags and making the family laugh, which mostly involved
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So there's a lot of, there was a lot of dick jokes going on.
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And I bet it was fun for them too, to see a kid just partying with his dick out and not
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I actually, when I was born, I had like an adult sized penis on a child's body.
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And so they had, um, like I couldn't even sleep at night.
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It would hurt my back, you know, to sleep cause I'd lay on it.
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Did you just grow into it or is, is, has it grown like?
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Now it's, well, it's, I mean, it's, you know, like a healthy kind of teenager's size,
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You think, uh, I guess at five years old, your dick is like your greatest wet.
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Um, do you, I remembered sometime, I'll be honest, I would lay in the water in the bathtub,
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And just pee straight up in the air onto myself.
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I was up watching Lunatics of the one where the, your character, um, with the, uh, the,
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the, the large buddy realistic guy when he urinates in his mouth.
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When he's showing the girl Paige, when she's sitting down.
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But yeah, I remember being, it was so much fun when you were young, man.
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And then you just become a big version of that, I guess.
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Did, um, did you, did you realize like, cause I remember when I was young, I would make kids
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at school laugh, you know, but I never realized that it would be able to translate into doing
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it like on a stage and stuff, you know, and in a bigger environment.
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Like, was there a part where you realized like, cause it's kind of scary to think that
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one of your talent, something you do could be like a marketable talent.
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But then you're like, I can have a normal job or I can do this cool thing.
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Um, do you know, like a lot of your characters, have they been with you since you were young
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Some of them are things you just see off of people on the street and you're like, oh,
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It's usually a combination of like things that, of ideas that you collect over a really
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So it's not like it's ever one person or one thing you've seen.
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Sometimes it's like a leftover concept from another show and that's the kind of start
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It's sort of out of, I feel like it's out of my control as well.
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Like it kind of without trying to like standing like a wanko, it sort of, it comes alive and
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It's like you put the things in place, you know what they're going to look like.
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And, um, there's the story, but the way they kind of move and the way they sound and everything,
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it just comes together literally on the first day when we're on set.
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Like, cause I had an idea for all the hair and stuff and then, but then the hair guy
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And it kind of evolved really differently, but you don't get to see all the elements together
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Like that Quentin character, we, the first thing we filmed was around the pool when he's
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having his 30th party and I didn't really know what he was going to sound like.
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Like I kind of, I knew the character, I knew what he was about, but he really just came
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Like around the pool with the, with his mates and they're all going out and, and, um, yeah,
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And they often say to me, oh, I really liked the voice or like, um, I just love how she
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Like those things weren't even part of the plan.
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I'm not, I don't stand in front of a mirror doing this kind of thing.
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It just, it really just comes alive on the day.
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I've thought about it a lot and I know what the story is and I know what they're going
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to say and the scripted lines and everything, but it, the combo of everything comes together
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Like that, the Gavin character, he was sitting on his bed back at the Adelaide house and
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started talking, but I was like, this is kind of how kids talk, I think.
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And it was really slow and I was like, it didn't have the rhythm of something that should
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be funny, but I was like, I think it's better to just make it real, like make it exactly
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And that'll ultimately be funnier than trying to be kind of quirky and have that funny rhythm
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Cause some of that I noticed in, in, uh, some of that, it's like, there's something like
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going for the joke and then there's something like, I trust that this will be funny later
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Like sometimes there's a moment I noticed in myself where it's like, there's a little
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It's like, if I don't say anything else or make another sound or another movement right
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here, then this is going to land really, really good.
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But if I do anything else, if I look or move or anything or say one more word, it's going
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So I can imagine there's some unique moments where you're doing those characters where you
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probably really land in like a special spot where you're like, oh, this is a good spot
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Because it's just such a, because then the reward is all for the audience.
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The reward is all, you know, they're going to love it, you know?
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The hard thing is you have to really block out trying to impress the people around you,
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If the moment's awkward and not funny, it's okay because it'll come together later.
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But yeah, it's sometimes you have to really remember it's not about pleasing the people
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It's, yeah, because then you lose, because then it's interesting because part of which,
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or what I always noticed with my original thing was to make the people around me laugh.
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So it's then whenever you're taping something, sometimes you have to sacrifice that.
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To know that it's going to make, it's going to play better in this other, other way.
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I think when you were saying making the kids laugh at school, I used to do that, but in
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Like I wasn't the class clown, the loud kid, but I would plan out a thing, like a funny
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If I had to do a speech, I would write out something really funny and then I'd just get
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up and do something kind of shockingly funny rather than, I wasn't the kid yelling shit
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But even like primary school days, I remember like you had to, I don't know, drawings and
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I'd always do something really funny that incorporated like some in joke about the teacher or something.
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Which I like, it seems to be what I like to do.
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I was never like a physical, I was never physical.
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I was always like in my head, I was like, oh, this would be a time I was a verbal, I was
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Like I loved it the day that, you know, you'd get up and do the speech and they'd laugh.
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Did you remember sometimes the fact that they would even continue to let you go back up
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to the front of the class after you'd already been funny other times and ruin the teacher's
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day and she's again going to let you go up and do anything?
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Because the teachers just secretly, they're like kind of bored and wondering what they're
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doing with their lives and they're like, hang on, this is going to, this will be like a
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Sometimes there was no like educational kind of content in what I was saying, but the teachers
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And you just, yeah, often I started to work out that if you actually pretended to be the
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teachers, so I'd get up and do like speeches as them.
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And, um, they were, they were keen to it or some other kind of controversial teacher at
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And it was like, it can't leave the classroom, but I said this, like, yeah, that was fun.
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It was, it was so fun being young like that just to be free, you know?
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And there was no, it didn't have to lead to anything.
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And then reenacting with your friends or talking about how funny it was.
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And it gets judged for weird reasons and analyzed too much, I guess.
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Well, that's one of the cool things that's been about podcasts.
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It's like, oh, that shit is dying in the U S like all of that, like, cause there was
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You know, there was no real, you know, people judging stuff.
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It was just losers sitting around at home with not just on their computers and people,
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It wasn't actual funny people who like to laugh expressing themselves because they're
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But now it's like with podcasting, so many more people are just having a good time again
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and so much less judgmental in the U S anyway, I'm noticing it growing, but I don't know if
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it's, if it says, if it's the same here, probably.
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It's seems to be, it seems to be getting really huge, the whole podcast thing.
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It's, it's uncensored and you really feel like you get to know the person you're listening
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Did you, so when you made your family laugh when you were young, did you make like your
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Like who was the funnest to make laugh in your family?
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Like, so we had a kind of, and still does, like we had a good thing together.
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One of my favorite things that he did when I was little was at where I used to go to
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So he would stay up, but it was really dark and he used to sneak in my room and like jump
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on my bed and pretend that he was my Chinese mother and did this like ridiculous stereotypical
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But the whole concept was that the Chinese mother used to sneak in at night to try to steal
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me back because I was actually a Chinese kid that had had an operation to make my eyes
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And then he'd do the whole, like, um, I can't do the accent.
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Um, anyway, he used to do that and then he'd run out of the room and then he'd come back
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in as himself and he'd be like, oh, Chris, the, um, there was this Chinese woman running
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And I'd have to pretend I didn't know of anything about it.
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He did a lot of those, but my Chinese mother was one of my favorites.
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That's so cool that he did that because then it leaves you cause then he goes to bed or whatever
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and it leaves you in your bed laying there with this expansive idea of what can be funny.
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There's your brother who's just asleep in the other room.
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There's you laying there with your eyes and your spirit wide open.
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I mean, that's an example of him being hilarious to me.
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So, um, but I think it kind of got me excited about those ideas.
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Do you think that like humor, like creates a special bond between like family members
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Um, it's sort of, I can't imagine people that don't find things funny.
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Like that's my whole relationship with the family is everything's a joke.
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Like I message my mom like every day and it's always something funny.
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I mean, there's lots of in jokes and, and sort of funny stories, but, um, it, yeah, definitely
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Do you guys, does your family have a good, like regular connection as well?
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And then you also have the humor connection or is the humor connection kind of like a,
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does it kind of suffice for you guys is the way you guys kind of emotionally connect to
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If that's, I don't know if that's a bizarre question or not.
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There's like, we talk about regular stuff, but it always has a bit of a funny take.
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Like, and it's that kind of piss take Australian humor thing where you kind of like putting
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My mom's thing is about how all we're all, she used to say we're all thick, like not
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And so that's her whole thing is that she, in the family, she's the one that had the thick
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Especially after hearing about how big your head was.
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This one's going to be a bit thicker than most.
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So she still runs with that angle that like, we're really stupid.
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We don't really talk about it in that way so much.
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With people that she works with and friends and stuff that are loving it.
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That must be, yeah, for a mom, that's pretty cool.
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She hadn't seen me perform in about five years until a couple of weeks ago.
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And she, I gave her just like a merch t-shirt, you know, which she was just enamored by.
00:30:19.540
It's pretty, pretty lame, but she likes it, you know.
00:30:25.500
And some guy, a young guy came up and said something to her.
00:30:28.140
And yeah, it was just like the most, yeah, there's something for me anyway about making my mom feel proud that really just like makes me feel okay.
00:30:38.480
You know, it makes me feel like a different level of okay than I'm normally able to make on my own, you know.
00:30:43.900
Because the kind of thing we do, it takes a while to get into the, to get to the level where it's like your job and it's perceived as a successful thing.
00:30:52.520
So there's many years where I am sure parents are like, what the fuck am I doing?
00:31:00.180
I gave birth to this thick-headed baby and now he's out here doing dirty riddles.
00:31:09.340
Um, but yeah, so I had a similar thing where my mom, there's the character Jemay, the school girl.
00:31:15.940
The first time I played her, I sent a photo to my mom going, this is what I'm doing.
00:31:23.140
Cause it's like, my son's dressed up as a young girl.
00:31:26.460
And she said, her reply to me was, I won't be showing that around at work.
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And then when the show came out, it was like really popular in Australia.
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And she was walking around wearing the t-shirt with me on it.
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Did, you know, what's interesting is a lot of my friends still don't know about Summer
00:33:31.320
I regard it as, and that whole series, I saw it about a year and a half ago, or maybe
00:33:38.260
And I was so shocked when I saw it and I was like, oh my God, this is like everything
00:33:45.680
And, and I, I couldn't believe that I hadn't just been, I hadn't known about it, you know?
00:33:54.480
Somebody said, somebody said, hey man, you have to watch this.
00:33:57.380
And then I heard it again, like a week later from somebody just randomly.
00:33:59.840
And then I was like, okay, this thing's coming into my little universe and I got to know about
00:34:07.460
Cause that show, like I made that in Australia for our local network and I just never thought
00:34:16.500
The fact that you're watching it in America a year ago is so, it spins me out.
00:34:22.720
I could imagine that a decade later or something to be, have something still swirling and even
00:34:28.500
It was like, I never seen anything like this since I was a kid.
00:34:32.340
And they had a show called In Living Color when I was young.
00:34:37.040
Um, but yeah, to this day, I think it's probably the funniest, you know, and going off into that
00:34:42.860
series, you know, with Mr. G and the other character, like Jennifer from Tongue, just
00:34:49.560
Just the whole, just so many fucking, it's so ridiculous.
00:34:53.340
It's everything that I felt like was funny to me as like a, as a human, you know, and
00:34:59.180
And so somebody had like captured this ability to just make it perfect, man.
00:35:08.940
I mean, I, I, I never go back and watch anything that I really do have done, but does it make
00:35:14.660
Are there sometimes a character, like the voice of one of them will pop in your head and it
00:35:20.540
Like, cause you, if you have a look at Instagram and people make all these memes and little
00:35:25.060
videos and the thing is, I forget that I've done stuff, but I relive it through those
00:35:30.920
Someone sent me a Jermay one the other day and I was like, I was like, shit, that's funny.
00:35:37.460
Um, yeah, it was just Jermay, like having a go at the principal for, um, for not giving
00:35:43.780
I don't know if you've seen that show, but she, yeah.
00:35:45.900
So her whole thing is that they've given it to a fat lesbian border and she's really like,
00:35:53.320
And she says, um, yeah, I'm like the hottest student to ever grace your fucking playground.
00:35:58.400
And I don't know, I just, for some reason that line made me laugh.
00:36:08.480
It's like you sit around and laugh at it, not in an ego way, but that's, that's, I mean,
00:36:13.060
that's just a testament to how entertaining it is.
00:36:15.180
I think that it can even come back and make you laugh, you know?
00:36:21.060
Sometimes there'll be a moment I'll see in a joke.
00:36:25.020
You know, oh, like, yeah, dude, that got me, man.
00:36:31.600
It's kind of like I'm thinking that guy did a good job.
00:36:34.840
I don't, I feel like I'm not responsible for that.
00:36:44.220
It's, uh, Ari, will you mind cutting on the AC for a second or just cutting it on over there?
00:36:58.720
He's been, uh, you guys on tonight, a real champ.
00:37:02.720
If you want to jump on stage, man, you know, you're more than welcome to practice something.
00:37:09.840
Is it hard being like a legend in your country?
00:37:14.740
It is a little bit, but, um, I'm pretty low key and I don't do any press and stuff.
00:37:22.340
So, um, I can kind of walk down the street, but at the moment, because the lunatics thing's
00:37:28.660
been really big, I do get stopped a lot and it's a bit full on.
00:37:32.500
And there's a little bit of a like paparazzi thing that happens here, which can be a bit,
00:37:39.380
Like I, you know, I don't care if it's just me walking around the streets and stuff, but
00:37:43.100
the photos are not that weird, but, um, it's scary when you see them and you hear the camera
00:37:55.640
But, um, yeah, it's scary if I go to an event or something and people are all hyped up and
00:38:01.520
excited and you're like, shit, where, how am I going to get away from this?
00:38:05.920
Um, yeah, sometimes it just, it can be a bit full on.
00:38:10.340
It's interesting how, uh, is it been tough for you to like, was there moments in your
00:38:16.180
career where you've had to like battle your own ego?
00:38:17.960
Like one thing I noticed for myself is my ego, it's kind of a separate animal than me,
00:38:22.900
you know, it lives inside of me and it's like, it can be a victim to all the things that go
00:38:27.940
You know, you know, it's kind of like a sugar lizard.
00:38:30.420
I call it like, it'll just, you know, it just goes for the sugar all the time.
00:38:35.700
Have you had any, and recently I've had to just make sure to myself, like start to do
00:38:39.520
some meditations, just make sure to just keep my mind and focus on what's going on.
00:38:44.400
My job is just to make people laugh and, and not get caught up in anybody else's ideas
00:38:50.220
Um, do you have any, do you have any thoughts about that during your career or notice any
00:38:58.240
Like I kind of can't get my head around the, the interest in it.
00:39:04.880
And I don't know, I probably should be more confident about it.
00:39:08.940
I'm just probably a bit down on myself about the whole thing.
00:39:13.860
If ever I, there's like TV awards nights and I go to those and I'm like, what am I doing
00:39:22.240
And I'm not saying that to be, I'm so super humble or whatever.
00:39:32.800
Cause if I go to something like that in Los Angeles, I feel uncomfortable.
00:39:40.460
I feel like maybe these people are judging me or I just feel some sort of uncomfort, which
00:39:45.760
It's kind of some of the uncomfort is what keeps me in a place where I feel like I'm able
00:39:51.800
Um, is that the kind of thing you feel or you just feel like, oh, this isn't my vibe
00:39:56.540
or do you like, if you go to something kind of fancy, is there?
00:40:00.460
I think because there's, I feel like there's an expectation for me to be a little piece
00:40:06.780
So I feel like when I'm at those things, people like, can you make us feel the way that we
00:40:10.860
do when we watch you dressed up and in the show?
00:40:13.460
And I'm like, that's, that's not what I do, but like, I, I knew that you would get
00:40:18.640
That's why I'm, I like talking to you, but normally I don't do those kinds of interviews
00:40:26.080
Cause I know that there'll be that expectation.
00:40:31.160
Um, yeah, well I pretty, yeah, man, I'm so grateful that you, uh, that you, that we're
00:40:37.000
I just couldn't believe I could be such a fan of something.
00:40:39.100
I've never been a fan of anything that much in my whole life.
00:40:42.460
I was like, man, I'm such a, like, what's going on with me, dude?
00:40:46.180
I thought I was going to go through like a second, uh, puberty or something, you know,
00:40:49.520
I thought I was going to sprout another dick or something, you know, or another beard or
00:40:56.580
You just, yeah, it just made me laugh so much, man.
00:41:08.420
It's, well, that's the whole drive and the reason that we're doing it.
00:41:12.960
It's, it's just to make people feel that, that thing.
00:41:19.540
You want them to be just excited and inspired and kind of maybe sad sometimes or all sorts
00:41:25.780
But the main thing you want them to do is just laugh and find it really funny.
00:41:33.880
And there's, yeah, there's something, it's so funny laughter because people shake and
00:41:37.980
they make a noise and it's such a, it's almost like you're like Harry Potter, like, it's
00:41:41.700
not like you're Harry Potter, but the process of it is the, the result of it.
00:41:45.680
It's almost like, it's like a magic or something, you know?
00:41:51.780
I mean, you would have that immediate thing because you're standing in front of people
00:41:54.800
and they're making noises and shaking their bodies at you.
00:42:00.720
I forget you because you, you, it says online you did stand up.
00:42:07.300
But, um, did you find that it wasn't your medium kind of doing it?
00:42:11.580
Did you find like, cause I'm sure you learned from it like, okay, this is this, but did you
00:42:17.000
then find, okay, I work better in this other room?
00:42:19.720
Yeah, I think I prefer doing TV, but it was, that was how I got into it.
00:42:24.140
The, that was the stepping stone because I would stand, it's, there's nothing better
00:42:28.540
than, there's, there's no, um, better way of reaching the, like creating something and
00:42:36.920
Cause you're just, you're thinking of everything you're standing there saying it, it's reaching
00:42:42.500
Everything else has layers of stuff that takes away from that.
00:42:46.360
So I found it a really good way to start things and that's, then that morphed into me doing
00:42:54.360
I mean, I always did characters back in school days and my whole life just always did characters,
00:43:00.400
but then stand up, I did the more traditional thing.
00:43:03.040
And then I moved into that, like annoying singing songs, stand up.
00:43:06.640
And then I was like, actually, I'm just going to do characters.
00:43:09.920
Also I'd get on stage and I'd talk about a person, a type of person, and then I'd sort
00:43:16.660
And I was like, Oh, this is the thing that's working.
00:43:20.640
And then started to make little short films and things about those characters.
00:43:27.160
So yeah, I definitely did it for a little while and it was, you got to have balls to
00:43:35.500
It's like so scary just to jump up in front of people.
00:43:41.800
Well, I think what's scary to me is to make a character and like put it on Instagram or
00:43:51.240
Like there are parts of me that I think would love to do it.
00:43:57.300
But for some reason that is so scary to me as opposed to getting up in front of people
00:44:07.300
It's like if you're scared of flying, you do it all the time and suddenly you're not.
00:44:13.460
Well, you know what I think it is, Chris, man, is for me, if they're there live, then I know
00:44:22.120
For me to give something to a place and let it be seen and not be able to be there and
00:44:31.980
Like I need to be right there to know if they laugh or not.
00:44:37.400
But to put it somewhere like in a television and let them see it, but not be able to actually
00:44:42.880
be there and see them as they see it and know if they laugh.
00:44:47.060
That's something that's really like, to me, very uncomfortable.
00:44:51.960
And the thing with TV also is it's expensive to make it.
00:44:56.060
So there's a lot of expectation on it and a lot of kind of build up and hype and people
00:45:03.300
So there's this real like expectation thing that I kind of don't get involved in that.
00:45:11.980
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After the first show I did, We Can Be Heroes, then obviously in the States all the agents
00:49:48.020
start calling and people are like, you need to make a movie here and all that kind of stuff.
00:49:52.880
So that happened, but I could just sense that there was going to be too much involvement
00:49:58.760
And everyone just wants you to do more of the same, but they want to tell you how to do it.
00:50:04.020
So it's kind of like, and then I just was like, I'm going to do, that's when I did some
00:50:09.620
And I didn't want to go to auditions and all that scene.
00:50:14.260
I just love, I'm just driven by a different thing, which is to create something out of
00:50:19.020
nothing and then see the whole process through from the beginning to the end and be the person
00:50:25.660
That's very different experience to auditioning and being in someone else's film or whatever
00:50:32.960
I got offered some roles recently and I just, at first I was like, yeah, I got excited,
00:50:36.460
but then I had to go back and apologize and say, I just can't do this.
00:50:43.360
I don't want to do something unless I, for some reason it feels scary to do something of
00:50:48.040
I only feel comfortable doing something on my own almost.
00:50:51.500
It's a different motivation and people don't get that because it sounds so like prestigious
00:50:56.980
and stuff like to be in someone else's film and people still say to me now, they're like,
00:51:05.580
I'm like playing fucking six different characters.
00:51:07.960
They're like, no, no, no, act in a movie, like in someone else's movie, like get in a
00:51:13.740
I'm like, dude, it's like, I think I'm already acting.
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That would be so dope to see you in Bridges of Madison County too.
00:51:33.800
There's something always about her because she had like a motherly thing and also like
00:51:45.240
Who's someone you'd breastfeed you think off of that's over the age of six?
00:52:19.400
I mean, I definitely would go there, but not with Betty.
00:52:24.260
I'd put a straw in the tit, I think, now that I think about it.
00:52:31.040
Anything over 50, I don't think I'm putting my lips on, man.
00:52:33.560
I just, you know, I'd be a bit nervous probably.
00:52:41.300
Now, your character, Becky, I think, is probably one of my favorite ones, I think.
00:52:45.640
Especially when they made fun of her in the dorm.
00:52:50.160
I'm just through, I think I'm now through episode three, maybe.
00:52:56.320
And some of it, I found myself having to go back because there's more.
00:53:02.460
So, it's almost like I have to listen to the wording again.
00:53:20.900
I just like the idea that this girl basically kind of has a disability.
00:53:25.600
And everyone's ignoring it and pretending she's just the tall girl.
00:53:31.220
And her family just have told her how amazing she is, trying to do the right thing.
00:53:35.560
They've, like, given her this false confidence.
00:53:38.500
So, at the point when we meet her, she's kind of faking it so much.
00:53:45.760
And as the show goes on, she gets really involved in becoming a YouTube vlogger.
00:53:50.900
So, she gets this confidence boost out of all her followers online and things start to take off.
00:53:58.080
And so, she's just – it's that young girl being so insecure and just – there's no way.
00:54:12.660
And they get bigger, it seems like, in some of the scenes.
00:54:20.320
Because there's a couple scenes where it looked like she put on about 40 pounds in each ankle.
00:54:28.100
But she just is never going to be the popular girl and all the kind of – she's always going to struggle in life.
00:54:33.820
And I just like that concept that the dorm life is just – everyone is just relentlessly attacking her every episode.
00:54:51.300
Well, I'm so grateful her dad came and put a – you know.
00:54:59.400
And how can you relate to two girls if you're a dad?
00:55:02.640
And he had the perfect daughter and then the kind of freaky daughter.
00:55:05.380
So, he kind of has tried to compensate for it by being super nice.
00:55:10.220
But you can only build someone's confidence up so much.
00:55:13.760
And the reality is she's going to have a hard time.
00:55:30.340
It's – she just wants to be a normal girl and it's a struggle.
00:55:39.860
Did you have like – was there anything like – I have like a big nose.
00:55:45.700
Like those are things like I was insecure about like when I was growing up, you know,
00:55:48.820
that always like – and a nose is hard because you fucking have to show it to everybody,
00:55:58.940
I don't think about ears that much but now you've made me think about it.
00:56:05.200
Yeah, you seem like you have a normal look to me.
00:56:10.200
But when you're a teenager, all that stuff is so much bigger on your face anyway.
00:56:16.880
Thank God I had that but nobody wanted to hear about that.
00:56:18.820
After the big nose and ears, they were like, yeah, sure guy.
00:56:31.580
Yeah, man, I'm trying to think of what else really.
00:56:40.640
I don't have pets but I have two rainbow lorikeets that come to visit me every day.
00:56:47.040
Yeah, the same too because one has like a squashed up foot, like an injured foot.
00:56:53.200
I'll show you the photo because he's my screensaver on my phone.
00:57:05.080
Do you think that they know that you're on telly and everything like that or no?
00:57:11.940
But like literally I go away for months and I come back and they're there.
00:57:16.000
But yeah, because they literally come into my house and get in my sink and walk.
00:57:36.080
I did cross my mind that maybe, because there's some other like famous people that live in
00:57:43.420
the area, like Hugh Jackman's got a place down in Bondi.
00:57:47.100
And I've always thought maybe the birds, they're going to him.
00:57:50.100
Because sometimes they come to mind, they've got this powdery shit on their nose.
00:57:54.060
And like, is Jackman feeding them and then they're coming to me?
00:58:02.920
They're gramming up down there by Jackman's and then hitting the sink.
00:58:09.100
A lot of birds, everybody thinks they're doing good shit all the time.
00:58:13.480
These are smart birds, so it wouldn't surprise me.
00:58:16.680
Dude, I remember like when I was growing up, they have, in America, they have a disease
00:58:21.960
And it's like people have like a, it's kind of like people just, I don't know what it is
00:58:27.300
really, but they had a good buddy of mine when I was young that had it, you know?
00:58:30.600
And so we were children, you know, and we were good friends.
00:58:33.380
And I remember people always thought that he was, and he would do, we would go drink
00:58:41.700
And like he would do, you know, steel shit, just regular kid shit.
00:58:45.580
And people thought that he was always doing like only sweet stuff.
00:58:54.020
People always thought like, oh, he's probably doing a puzzle or something.
00:58:58.440
And he fucking wasn't, he was, he was raised in hell, you know?
00:59:03.040
It's like some things like birds or whatever, they always get the benefit of the doubt, you
00:59:10.140
Just because you got colored feathers doesn't mean like you're not a dickhead.
00:59:14.880
It doesn't mean you're not really raised in hell somewhere.
00:59:22.340
I bought a drone and my thought was that I'm going to like fly it off the balcony and follow
00:59:35.840
So it's, it hasn't worked so far because they, they have a nest and they have babies and stuff
00:59:40.920
because they always bring their baby to me when they've had one.
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I wanted to take the drone and find out where the nest was.
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It'd be good if I had like a virtual reality drone and then I could go to the nest and like
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Oh, I'm a Chinese woman coming to get you in the middle of the night.
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If one day you wake up like in heaven or something and you come to and you just look in the mirror
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I bet there has to be some sort of revelation or some sort of like an exposure, almost like
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You were fucking around, you know, you were playing with these birds on the balcony in
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You were feeding birdseed to a camera for fucking five years, man.
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You're like, you just keep feeding this camera birdseed.
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Was there ever like an entertainer from the States that reached out, like Jim Carrey or
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somebody like that, that was like, oh, I have to do something with this guy.
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I can imagine that that's probably happened to you over the years.
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And they wanted to like, they were just real keen on trying to work with you.
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But yeah, they were excited to try and have you in their project.
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Or I mean, even though it wasn't something maybe you were looking for, but.
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Yeah, there's been a little bit of that, but sort of just more coming from like casting
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people with directors and stuff rather than actual like.
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There's been big, big name people who are fans of the shows and have reached out.
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But I kind of feel like a dickhead naming who those people are.
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I guess like, yeah, I guess I was just kind of thinking like, because if I thought of like
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one of my favorite movies is Dumb and Dumber, right?
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So I thought, well, would you ever see, you know, is that something that.
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Like David Spade the other day was telling me that Chris Farley.
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It just blew my mind because then I start thinking of that movie.
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And if Chris Farley plays Ben Stiller, it's just interesting, you know?
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So I guess I was just wondering if there had ever been like a unique role or if somebody
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had ever, or just if it had ever happened, not like specifics, you know?
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It's like the freak, the weird butler or something, like the kind of, yeah.
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One of them was like a, it was like James Franco's PA or something, but obviously it was some
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I don't like to outsource my magic if I have any, you know, or not magic, but whatever
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I'd rather save it and maybe hope that it, you know, that it can be good somewhere specifically.
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And also, I also haven't seen, I haven't seen the heroes movie that you did.
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I can tell the bits you haven't seen because you kind of just, your eyes glaze.
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I feel bad sometimes, but you can't watch everything.
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And I'm kind of glad I haven't seen everything because then there's some things that I can
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Like I'm only on season two of Game of Thrones.
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But I'm excited that that's ahead of me because everyone told me to watch it.
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I watched Scarface for the first time three years ago.
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People kept telling me, you've got to watch it.
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And then I've secretly watched it and I liked it, but I didn't want to tell anyone to like
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had to get through like seven seasons because I didn't want to be in season three and go,
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And they're like, oh, haven't you seen season six?
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I could have seen you playing one of the characters in that on the team.
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Lipstick lesbian, but like in a Chinese city, maybe I see.
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I could see you being like the hottest woman in like a Chinese village, kind of.
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Like I could see if I showed up in like a village, like outside of Shanghai, you know, a couple
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hundred miles out, then being like, oh, this is our queen, you know?
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I wonder what kind of, sometime if I could be like, if I had to be a woman, what type
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I would be like, I think the bus driver, you know?
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On Friday night she likes to wear a dress sometimes to go down to the VFW or something.
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It's where I like all the, what do they call it here?
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Do some video games or something in a dress though.
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But you'd be sort of, yeah, attractive when you wanted to be.
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I think in a couple years like with all these hormones and stuff they have now I think.
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Chuck on a fucking puss and a couple tits, you know.
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And hit the, you know, go watch, you know, something.
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Well, being the pretty woman would scare me, I think.
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Everybody's staring at you and it happens when you're young and then it makes you, that would
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Maybe I could see you also being like the guy like on a soccer team that like is in a
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And he's like, he's in the team, but they just, it's like a sympathy thing.
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And they wheel him out once a year and kind of wheel him down the grass.
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Or yeah, it's like a, cause the field is a little bit.
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Oh, I could also see you doing like a Robin Hood type of.
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I could see you being like Tarzan's brother that wants to do something different and wants
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And she comes to the edge of the forest and like gives him books and shit.
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And cassette tapes, even though he's not a player.
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Do you think sometimes like do you know when a character comes into your head, you're like
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like for Lunatics, you know, did you have them all planned out and obviously you had
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ideas and you said once you get to set, you get in makeup, it grows even more.
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But was there another character that you went to set with that you guys did that you left
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Not that we got that far with, but in the writing stage, I had like about eight characters all
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I remember doing a drawing actually and I'm not even good at drawing stuff and it was like
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Um, and so I could just look at the lineup and was imagining it, how it would work.
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And then there was a couple of characters that I just thought, nah, you're kind of crossing
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That's the thing because I've done a lot of characters now, so I have to always look different.
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I've done, you know, once you do long red hair, you can't do that again.
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So you've got to think of different hairstyles and, um, yeah.
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So a few of them I got rid of, but then as some of the great ideas, I sort of morphed those
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Because once you've done like a guy, if it's a gay guy, you can't, it's like you could do
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another one, but it's, it's still kind of sticks on the, it'll stick to the other one.
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And there's always is a little bit of a crossover because there's certain things you find funny
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So you're always kind of going down the same path a little bit.
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Um, yeah, but that's actually the challenge now is to make it different because I've done
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Is that kind of, I mean, even though it's like, I'm sure there's a great sense of pride with
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that, is there a little bit of like, um, is it almost kind of a bummer sometimes that
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you've gone through like a lot of humanity and character, you know, that you have that
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Cause sometimes you've got a slightly different take on it and I'm like, oh fuck, that would
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Like you've done like the fashion thing or the skate thing or whatever it is, surf or whatever
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Or I've done an Asian woman before and I'm like, I can't really do that again.
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Like there's been a lot of like, uh, spinoffs and stuff.
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Well, I've seen, I'll think of some, most of some of the stuff I've seen, I've seen like
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Jonah from Tonga and I've seen, I mean, yeah, it was just too much sometimes.
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And it helped me learn about like Tongan people a little bit and like the characters and it
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gave me like a sense of like, what it would actually be like to be at a school when
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Um, and when he goes and lives with his auntie and shit, God, I fucking miss that family,
01:12:08.000
I miss the family, miss the fucking auntie, man.
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Like it feels like that, that they exist out there somewhere still.
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And it's kind of, yeah, I'm kind of caught up, caught up in the illusion of it as well.
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I can totally, I could totally imagine that, you know, a lot of kids these days their imagination
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is changing because, you know, with social media, with computers and stuff, it's different.
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So your imagination is almost like the processor now is in the machine.
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Whether then it used to have to be in your head, you know?
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I wonder if they'll ever have, you know, if we'll ever be able to do some of the stuff
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that, you know, you and I have been able to do growing up.
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Like if the medium will change so much that they won't even, like, why is this guy pretending
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to be this character when he could just, you know?
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It's already kind of evolved a lot in the last 10 years or so.
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Like it's funny doing the show with Netflix because they have this sort of episodic thing,
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but all the apps kind of run together for most people.
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Most people sit back and watch like one and a half episodes or something.
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And then the episode length, time, it's so we sort of, they're basing it on the model
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of old broadcast TV, but it's actually already evolving into this thing.
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It's just this linear entertainment thing that people just tap into when they want to.
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And yeah, we're sort of in this weird transition where it's a little bit, there's a little bit
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I mean, kind of like, yeah, like when films first started and it was like vaudeville performers
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and shit and they were like, it was all just like watching a theatrical production.
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Like you were kind of looking at it from one perspective and then it kind of evolved and
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people were like, well, shit, we could get different angles and we could edit this.
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Anyway, I don't know why I'm sounding like, I know what I'm talking about.
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And so I've, I started doing 25 minute episodes or whatever and they went to air once a week
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and now I'm doing this kind of long thing that just keeps flowing together.
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Has it, has it, has it been, was it as cool of an experience doing lunatics as anything
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Well, cool and better in the way that it reached people because normally I have to like launch
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it in different countries and you kind of deal with different networks where this was just
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like, they just press the button and suddenly it's all over the world.
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So, but making the show was pretty much the same experience, I guess, as all of them because
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It's something like, there are moments where I'll look at you and I'll see like just like
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another character will pop into my head that it's like, I forgot about a little bit.
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You know, even from the past, yeah, there'll be like an angle where it's like, oh, there's
01:15:20.640
a Mr. G and you know, or be like an angle and then be like, oh, that's fucking, you know,
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You know, like if just like the way your arm is bent, it's just kind of bizarre, man.
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I don't really get that experience unless I'm looking in the mirror or something, but yeah,
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People often do try to say who they think I'm the most like.
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But that must change though, because then suddenly there are moments where I'm like, oh, he definitely
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I didn't know what to expect, but it's been so relaxed and you're very easy to talk to.
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Yeah, I wanted this to be just a, I mean, I think this would be a great episode, man.
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Our listeners are going to absolutely be over the moon just to have, to be able to have
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like a, just an experience with you just as a regular person, you know?
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It's inspiring to see like, because there's nothing else out there like you.
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So people need to see it and young people need to see it so they can be reminded.
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I would see In Living Color and like Damon Wayans and stuff.
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Yeah, I get kids sending me videos all the time of characters like they, it doesn't
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Do you plan to, will you make more stuff in the future?
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You're not going to, you don't have any plans on quitting being creative, do you?
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Chris Lilley, ladies and gentlemen, check out Lunatics.
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And then go back if you haven't and watch Summer Heights High, Jonah from Tonga, and you'll
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fall into the rest of the world and tell your friends about it.
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Because, yeah, for some reason, man, Summer Heights High is the greatest gift I can give
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to any of my friends that haven't, I'm like, have you seen this?
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And when they say no, I'm just like, oh, fucking Merry Christmas, motherfucker.
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And when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
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But it's going to take a little time for me to set that parking brake and let myself
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