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00:02:03.660 You know, every now and then an older man will come into your life

00:02:06.300 and kind of teach you a little bit about yourself.

00:02:10.460 You know, teach you a little bit of something.

00:02:12.460 Teach you how your skin feels a little bit.

00:02:14.360 You know what I'm talking about?

00:02:15.760 Teach you what's going on inside of your body, deep in there.

00:02:19.540 And that's what I'm talking about today.

00:02:21.420 A lot of times, if you think about your stomach,

00:02:24.360 what the fuck is going on with it?

00:02:27.420 So, here today, we have a beautiful man.

00:02:31.240 And he's the author of the book, Grain Brain.

00:02:34.420 Now, he's a scientific kind of guy.

00:02:36.280 So, you know, he ain't going to juggle for us, bro.

00:02:39.200 But he'll definitely, he has more knowledge than I do.

00:02:43.340 And so, that's why I'm excited that he is here today.

00:02:45.720 He's the author of Grain Brain,

00:02:47.720 which has more than one million copies in print.

00:02:50.280 Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Perlmutter.

00:03:07.560 So, what is gluten, Dr. Perlmutter?

00:03:11.580 What is it?

00:03:12.640 So, gluten is a protein.

00:03:14.080 It's found in wheat, barley, and rye.

00:03:15.820 Okay.

00:03:16.700 And it's the rage right now.

00:03:18.580 And, gosh, we wrote about it five years ago in Grain Brain.

00:03:21.580 And at that point, that was pretty darn disruptive.

00:03:24.360 I want to tell you that people suddenly, you know,

00:03:26.880 you threaten, give us this day our daily bread,

00:03:29.840 and people have a conniption.

00:03:31.080 People trip out.

00:03:32.000 They do.

00:03:32.380 All my Jewish buddies first started tripping.

00:03:34.140 They were like the first friends that I had.

00:03:35.860 They make gluten-free matzo.

00:03:37.240 Well, they started, like, they were, like, losing it.

00:03:39.900 And so, then I was like, what's going on here, you know?

00:03:43.560 And, I mean, I've read more about it in your book.

00:03:46.260 But I just wanted to hear, like, for a layman's, like, you know,

00:03:50.180 like, if I saw gluten somewhere, would I know it's gluten?

00:03:53.880 No, that's the thing.

00:03:55.020 It's hidden in foods.

00:03:56.280 You know, you find it in condiments, in ketchup.

00:03:58.660 You find it all over the place.

00:04:00.000 It's tricky.

00:04:00.700 It's like almost like a –

00:04:02.120 Who's that serial killer that they just had that documentary come out about?

00:04:04.940 I don't know, but it's stealthy.

00:04:06.140 It's that Ted Bundy of –

00:04:07.580 Oh, gosh.

00:04:08.220 Of the bread program, really.

00:04:09.580 I'm going to have to let you own that one.

00:04:11.140 I'm not going to go there.

00:04:12.460 But that said, I wouldn't say as aggressive as Ted Bundy.

00:04:16.140 But having said that, it's sinister.

00:04:19.080 It lurks in the background.

00:04:20.420 And, you know, when you face all of the chronic degenerative conditions that we face now in this world,

00:04:26.200 the World Health Organization tells us that chronic degenerative conditions are the number one cause of death on planet Earth.

00:04:32.760 We have to ask ourselves, what's the mechanism there?

00:04:35.600 And the mechanism is inflammation.

00:04:37.600 Okay, what's causing inflammation?

00:04:39.540 High sugar diet, not enough fat, things like gluten, food allergies.

00:04:44.560 Those things literally have to come off the table.

00:04:47.120 Now, I was reading in your book that – and this blew me away – that people who have diabetes are twice as likely to have Alzheimer's.

00:04:58.300 Let's contextualize that.

00:04:59.800 Okay.

00:05:00.180 We live in a country where 5.4 million of us have already been diagnosed with Alzheimer's, number one.

00:05:07.480 Number two, there's no treatment, none whatsoever.

00:05:10.700 And, matter of fact, in November of 18, a study came out in JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association,

00:05:17.160 showing that the drugs that doctors are using to treat Alzheimer's are actually making them worse.

00:05:23.300 Wow.

00:05:24.160 As opposed to neutral.

00:05:25.220 They're actually declining more quickly.

00:05:27.080 So how is that even a thing?

00:05:28.340 Anybody could make up that drug.

00:05:30.000 I'll give you a starburst.

00:05:31.560 I would say what you just said, that's the whole show.

00:05:34.440 How is that a thing?

00:05:36.340 Think about it.

00:05:36.980 I mean, yet, you know, it's proved by the FDA it's useless and, in fact, making people worse.

00:05:42.260 And people are spending a billion dollars in America to buy these drugs,

00:05:46.940 putting their faith into these drugs to help mom or dad or husband or wife.

00:05:51.660 And I've been there.

00:05:52.440 I've been there with my dad who died of Alzheimer's.

00:05:54.200 Yeah, I read that in your book.

00:05:55.080 So I know what it's like.

00:05:55.520 Yeah, my stepfather has it and my mother has too.

00:05:57.940 And it's horrible.

00:05:58.880 And it's mostly preventable.

00:06:01.260 Right.

00:06:01.920 And that's what we shout about.

00:06:03.560 We shout about what you said is that diabetes is related.

00:06:06.540 Okay, you know, when 80 million Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic, it's not a genetic issue.

00:06:14.820 All of a sudden, that's just happened the past 50 years.

00:06:17.360 It's because we've changed our diet.

00:06:19.740 Now we're eating more sugar.

00:06:21.280 And this is a disease of sugar and refined carbohydrates and less fat.

00:06:25.460 And all of a sudden, everybody becomes diabetic.

00:06:27.420 That may increase your risk for an untreatable illness, Alzheimer's, two to fourfold.

00:06:33.160 Wow.

00:06:34.120 Then you're really screwed.

00:06:35.540 So that's really, so if you have that in your family, I mean, these are really things you need to look out for because Alzheimer's can take, when does it usually kind of strike people, Alzheimer's?

00:06:45.940 The beginning stages of Alzheimer's, what sets the stage for when you can't figure out what's going on around you, happens in your 20s and 30s.

00:06:55.400 Jesus.

00:06:55.800 That's your audience.

00:06:56.860 And that's a very important concept.

00:06:59.140 Yeah.

00:06:59.380 That it's not when you're my age and you suddenly can't remember the grandchildren's names and you name it.

00:07:05.400 Because that's what we think it is.

00:07:06.620 You bet.

00:07:07.120 That's this idea.

00:07:07.960 By then, you're already down the road.

00:07:09.120 Yeah.

00:07:09.320 A lot of literature shows that if you look at markers of inflammation in the blood, they predict Alzheimer's 30 years ahead of time.

00:07:18.580 Wow.

00:07:19.380 And how do you get inflammation markers in your blood?

00:07:21.300 You eat the wrong diet.

00:07:22.820 Okay.

00:07:23.020 So, it's not like, you know, people say, oh, I had a heart attack.

00:07:26.860 Well, it's not like you're walking down the street, minding your own business, and then all of a sudden this thing attacks you out of the...

00:07:31.320 That's lightning.

00:07:32.140 Yeah.

00:07:32.280 That's it.

00:07:32.640 That's lightning.

00:07:33.340 Right.

00:07:33.620 Heart attack happens because you ate the wrong food, you didn't exercise, you have some genetic issues, et cetera.

00:07:38.980 You set the stage for a heart attack.

00:07:41.220 You set the stage for Alzheimer's.

00:07:43.060 And I'm here to tell your audience that there are changes to make today to lower your risk.

00:07:48.940 Because when you get there, when you get to a place where the doctor finally says, you've got this, there's nothing you can do.

00:07:55.640 Man.

00:07:56.200 So, yeah.

00:07:56.800 So, it's one of those things you have to start early.

00:07:58.880 Yep.

00:07:59.280 And I said 20s and 30s.

00:08:01.200 Well, when do you start setting the stage for diabetes?

00:08:04.920 Adolescence?

00:08:05.860 Childhood?

00:08:07.220 You set it when you're born?

00:08:09.280 Actually, the changes begin before you're even born.

00:08:12.140 When you're in utero, depending on mother's lifestyle choices, has a huge role to play on whether you're going to be diabetic,

00:08:18.760 whether you're going to be overweight, which is a risk factor as well.

00:08:22.160 Wow.

00:08:23.240 So, I'm just thinking to myself, like, you know, if I'm just hearing this, you know, like a lot, because a lot of our listeners are 20 in their 20s and 30s.

00:08:33.000 And, you know, some of them may be diabetic, may not.

00:08:36.020 But there are usually a lot of good people, a lot of active people that want to make their lives better.

00:08:40.060 Overall, that seems to be our audience.

00:08:42.140 So, what are, like, some easy ways out of the gate that you think, you know, is it just a rich thing?

00:08:48.760 Sometimes I feel like just the rich can be able to, you know, really have a nice thing.

00:08:52.280 It's just the rich, because you have to buy something.

00:08:55.300 Right.

00:08:55.880 You've got to go out and buy a new pair of sneakers.

00:08:58.080 Really?

00:08:58.320 Now, I don't know how rich you have to be, or you get them out of a bin, whatever you need to do, or you go barefoot.

00:09:04.100 The bottom line is, step one is you've got to exercise.

00:09:06.700 You've got to get moving.

00:09:07.800 You've got to get your butt off the couch, and you've got to get at least 20 to 30 minutes a day of aerobics.

00:09:14.280 Add some resistance exercise to that, fine.

00:09:17.000 But you've got to get your heart rate up.

00:09:18.800 And to what number?

00:09:20.260 I don't know.

00:09:20.860 I usually tell people, 180 minus your age.

00:09:23.860 Do the math.

00:09:24.680 Right.

00:09:24.780 If you can't do the math, then you really need to exercise.

00:09:28.160 You've got to be really cruising.

00:09:28.980 You bet you do.

00:09:29.560 And why do you want to exercise?

00:09:31.360 Well, the relationship between exercise, if you look at the epidemiology of it, shows those people who have higher rates of exercise have lower rates of Alzheimer's.

00:09:38.840 But beyond that, exercise changes gene expression and codes for the body to produce a chemical called BDNF that tells your brain to grow new brain cells.

00:09:50.180 Who knew?

00:09:50.860 So, you know, when I was, I hate to say when I was your age, but when I was your age, we were told that we were given a certain number of brain cells.

00:09:59.560 And then as we, every beer we drank, we lost 30,000, whatever it was, you'd lose X number of brain cells.

00:10:04.780 Coke.

00:10:05.080 Because we didn't know that you grow new brain cells.

00:10:08.640 And how do you grow new brain cells?

00:10:10.120 By exercising, by taking a fish oil supplement, by using turmeric in your cooking.

00:10:16.100 This turns on the gene pathway.

00:10:18.020 You can change your gene expression, grow new brain cells, and stave off Alzheimer's.

00:10:22.760 What's so hard about what I'm saying here?

00:10:25.460 Right.

00:10:26.080 It's really basic.

00:10:26.820 And so do you think there's like a psychology to, like sometimes whenever you get into a path in life, whether it's an eating pattern or a, and you know it's detrimental, you know that the end is, doesn't end well.

00:10:43.860 Is there some term for a psychology that makes you stay in that path almost out of spite or something?

00:10:49.640 There are a lot of terms.

00:10:50.620 One is mindset.

00:10:52.540 That your mind is set.

00:10:54.160 In fact, oddly enough, at the interview this morning, and the question was, how does mindset come into play for health decisions?

00:11:00.520 Your mind isn't set.

00:11:01.980 You can change your mind.

00:11:03.100 And the more you change your mind and then do the right thing, the better that pathway becomes, the more reinforcing it will be.

00:11:10.100 The other thing I talk about is inconvenient truth.

00:11:13.960 You know, Al Gore talked about the inconvenient truth of climate change.

00:11:16.180 Yeah, the documentary, yeah.

00:11:16.720 I did a CBS This Morning program a couple of months ago, and they said, no, Dr. Perlmott has a new book.

00:11:23.180 There's a new book talking about gluten and carbs and all that.

00:11:26.160 But we reached out to the sugar industry, and they told us we should eat more sugar because decades of research.

00:11:33.840 And in my mind, it was hashtag, why that's fantastic, hashtag WTF, right?

00:11:39.960 Isn't that what it stands for?

00:11:40.620 Why that's fantastic.

00:11:41.440 Yeah.

00:11:41.760 Okay, good.

00:11:42.240 So, in my mind, and then the lady gets on, she said, and then this morning I had, well, last night I had truffles because they're in season,

00:11:49.000 truffle pasta with a jelly-filled donut or something.

00:11:53.480 And again, it's an inconvenient truth.

00:11:55.220 What I'm saying to your audience today is an inconvenient truth.

00:11:58.400 Why?

00:11:58.660 Because we all have a sweet tooth.

00:11:59.920 Oh, yeah.

00:12:00.160 We all would love to eat sweet and pasta.

00:12:02.640 Oh, Don, it's all good, dude, Don.

00:12:03.840 It's comfort food because it stimulates the part of the brain for instant reward, dopamine surge, and you're momentarily content.

00:12:11.920 But oddly enough, that diet distances you from the executive center of the brain that lets you make better decisions, plan for the future, be more compassionate and empathetic for yourself, for the next person, and for the planet.

00:12:27.140 So, the more we distance ourselves from impulsivity, the better decisions we'll make, we'll get on an exercise regimen, we'll stay on it, and we'll choose to eat better foods that will enhance that, it's feed forward.

00:12:38.860 That's really interesting because impulse is that, it's almost just like that dirty magnet that's in us, and it just wants whatever the easiest, quickest hit is.

00:12:50.620 Done.

00:12:51.060 And then you need more of it.

00:12:52.400 Ah, I see.

00:12:53.140 You need more of it because it's a dopamine surge, stimulates the opiate receptors in your brain, done.

00:12:58.520 You know, you've done your thing, and now you need more.

00:13:01.340 And the more you do it, the more that receptor needs to be stimulated.

00:13:05.820 And so, choice is almost behind impulse a little bit.

00:13:08.460 I mean, it's right there with it, but it's almost a gift to outride the impulse, I feel like.

00:13:12.920 Exactly right.

00:13:13.660 And then for a second, and then be able to, that's what I feel for me.

00:13:16.820 It's like, okay, I just need a second and make a choice.

00:13:20.080 The moment you just did that, what you just did, Theo, is you stopped dealing and responding to your amygdala brain, your reptilian brain, that said, I'm going to eat this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to punch this guy.

00:13:31.940 And instead, I'm going to decide.

00:13:34.920 That one moment is all the difference in the world.

00:13:37.080 I'm going to think about, do I really want to eat this?

00:13:40.220 Do I really want to, whatever the addiction may be, do I really want to do this?

00:13:44.220 And now, make a more sophisticated, more human, rational decision to not do it.

00:13:49.860 You've broken the spell.

00:13:51.380 You can move forward.

00:13:52.320 Wow.

00:13:52.920 And does that get easier over time, doing that?

00:13:55.420 Absolutely.

00:13:56.160 We talked about the growth of new brain cells.

00:13:58.200 Yeah.

00:13:58.360 The same chemical, brain-derived neurotrophic factor, BDNF, that you get from exercising.

00:14:02.900 Okay.

00:14:03.700 Stimulates what we call neuroplasticity.

00:14:06.180 That allows you to connect to that part of your brain, so these things then stick.

00:14:10.780 And the more they stick, the better you get at it.

00:14:13.560 It's like learning to hit a tennis ball.

00:14:15.140 And then the better you feel about them.

00:14:16.620 Does that impulse ever switch to the other?

00:14:20.080 Yes.

00:14:20.940 We need the other impulse.

00:14:22.900 You need the other impulse because when you're back in your car out of the driveway and your

00:14:27.940 mind sees in the backup camera a little kid on her bike, you hit the brake.

00:14:32.480 Yeah.

00:14:32.960 You don't think, well, it'd probably be a good idea to hit the old brake pedal because this

00:14:37.320 is going to turn out bad.

00:14:38.520 So that's when the lizard really helps.

00:14:39.740 You bet.

00:14:40.120 You need that.

00:14:40.920 You need that impulsive activity to make the right decision quickly.

00:14:45.440 But you don't need it when you're trying to figure out what foods to buy in the grocery

00:14:50.000 store.

00:14:50.860 Can I make an excuse to not exercise today?

00:14:53.380 You know, exercise is something that we don't have to, we don't want to find time for it.

00:14:58.340 We want to make time for it.

00:14:59.700 If you have to find time, you say, well, I'll squeeze it in between such and such and such

00:15:03.120 and such.

00:15:03.860 And then those things suddenly take over a little more time.

00:15:06.260 You didn't exercise.

00:15:07.140 You didn't meditate.

00:15:07.940 You didn't take time to make the food that's good for you.

00:15:10.860 You ate some crap that you, you know, fast food.

00:15:12.760 Yeah.

00:15:13.200 And our thinking's not good then.

00:15:15.140 It's like our, you know, it's really, we're kind of in a tough, it's a tough system.

00:15:20.200 It's like we've created this, you know, this sort of, I don't know if it's a comfort society

00:15:26.020 or what it is, but it's, I mean, the system that we're in, in a lot of places, now I'll

00:15:31.920 say in LA it's easier, it's very easier, it's much easier for me to stay healthier here.

00:15:37.240 It really is.

00:15:38.040 Then if I'm back in other places, like I'm from Louisiana, if I'm there, it is tougher,

00:15:42.200 like, you know, sometimes it's just tougher.

00:15:44.860 So Theo, my team said, you got to watch these, a couple of his podcasts before I come on

00:15:49.120 your show.

00:15:49.560 Right.

00:15:50.700 And I got to tell you, this is, there's no segue here whatsoever, but that's what this

00:15:54.340 is about, right?

00:15:55.380 And I didn't know what to expect, but I'm enjoying the heck out of it.

00:15:58.040 This is great.

00:15:58.740 Are you?

00:15:59.120 Oh, absolutely.

00:16:00.140 Good, man.

00:16:00.540 Yeah.

00:16:00.700 Well, look, I'm super curious.

00:16:01.820 I mean, one of the main reasons we'll get to it is, you know, I take antidepressants and

00:16:05.480 a lot of times I get tired of, you know, it makes me feel like there's this, you know,

00:16:12.580 there's something that's not natural that's out there that's added this connect, this taper

00:16:20.200 to me, this chain, you know, like almost I'm a slave in a way to it a lot of times.

00:16:25.960 And eventually, maybe one day, I would like to maybe not take them.

00:16:30.040 Now, I'm not asking you for that, you know, direction now, but I do think, I start thinking,

00:16:35.080 well, where are my other brains in my body, you know?

00:16:38.540 And so then I started thinking about my stomach, you know, it's almost shaped in a way like,

00:16:41.900 you know, it's, you know, your organs are almost like in a way for, to me or in my imaginative

00:16:46.500 way, I work off of imagination first, kind of, it kind of is like a brain.

00:16:51.220 So I'm thinking, well, how could I learn more about like what I put in my stomach that

00:16:55.040 could then affect how my brain behaves?

00:16:58.140 And so then I was talking to my producer, Nick, and I was like, we got to get somebody

00:17:01.220 that knows about this so that I can learn more about it, you know?

00:17:05.840 And so that's basically where I started thinking about, you know, about having you on.

00:17:10.280 And then I only read about 60 pages of Grain Brain, but it was really fascinating to me.

00:17:15.900 Even in that little bit of time, I found some things that were really interesting.

00:17:19.140 And so I'm glad you're here today so I can talk to you about them.

00:17:21.400 Well, who knew?

00:17:23.320 Yeah.

00:17:23.620 I mean, who knew that food has such an effect on every aspect of our lives?

00:17:31.500 Let me get back to the imagination part, because I was really taken by that.

00:17:34.240 You know, imagination is only a manifestation of connecting things that really happened.

00:17:40.000 Right.

00:17:40.420 You know, your reality comes together to form imagination.

00:17:43.940 And in many ways...

00:17:44.700 Oh, it's interesting.

00:17:45.480 Well, it is.

00:17:45.940 I mean, you're not...

00:17:46.340 I knew you were a neurologist first, right?

00:17:48.400 First, I'm, I think, a husband and father first.

00:17:51.820 Okay, there you go.

00:17:52.800 There we go.

00:17:53.280 That's good.

00:17:54.160 But yeah, I'm a neurologist.

00:17:55.760 So you know about the brain.

00:17:57.820 I know a little bit about the brain.

00:17:59.540 Yeah.

00:17:59.880 Who knew?

00:18:00.720 Yeah.

00:18:01.200 But I would say that.

00:18:02.240 So imagination is sort of like what happens during sleep.

00:18:05.720 So during sleep, we connect real events, real memories, and we measure them against each

00:18:12.380 other.

00:18:12.600 We form new ideas.

00:18:13.720 Right.

00:18:13.940 So imagination is based upon your reality, things that you have experienced or have imagined

00:18:19.160 in the past.

00:18:19.760 Those things were based on things that you have experienced.

00:18:22.100 Wow.

00:18:22.540 And let's get back to this connection of the gut to the brain, not just the stomach.

00:18:27.700 Right.

00:18:27.980 Which, interestingly, I've never heard anybody say was shaped...

00:18:30.300 You're about to say, don't put words in your mouth, looks like the brain a little

00:18:33.300 bit.

00:18:33.400 Yeah.

00:18:33.780 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 Maybe if I didn't say that, that's what I meant.

00:18:35.960 Yeah.

00:18:37.220 So are pecans.

00:18:38.940 Yeah.

00:18:39.400 And walnuts too, right?

00:18:40.840 But that said, depression is an inflammatory disorder.

00:18:46.900 Now, I want that to sink in.

00:18:49.120 It's a disease characterized by higher levels of chemicals in your body that relates to a

00:18:54.360 process called inflammation.

00:18:56.080 Yeah.

00:18:56.400 Now, you're familiar with inflammation.

00:18:57.880 You get bitten by a mosquito, your hand gets inflamed.

00:19:00.580 Yeah.

00:19:00.800 But those same inflammatory chemicals are upped, amped up in your body in relation to depression,

00:19:08.120 in relation to Alzheimer's, autism, Parkinson's, coronary artery disease, diabetes, cancer.

00:19:13.560 All those things have inflammation along...

00:19:15.120 All inflammatory disorders.

00:19:17.280 Wow.

00:19:17.640 Which are so fundamentally related to not just your gut and things going on there, knowing

00:19:24.200 that your gut bacteria determine what is called the set point of inflammation in your

00:19:28.800 body, but even more importantly, to your food choices.

00:19:31.820 Because you have to understand, you know, they say that when a woman is pregnant, she

00:19:36.340 has to be careful.

00:19:37.020 Now she's eating for two.

00:19:38.460 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:19:39.400 Theo, you're eating for a hundred trillion, right?

00:19:42.200 Because of the future month, semen, all of that?

00:19:44.700 No, your gut bacteria.

00:19:46.220 Oh, I see what you're saying.

00:19:47.580 So they're eating what you had for breakfast today.

00:19:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:50.300 Those hundred trillion bacteria floating around in your gut.

00:19:53.300 What's Theo going to eat today?

00:19:55.320 You know, is it a fiber-rich good food that we're going to be thrilled about?

00:19:59.060 We're going to replicate.

00:20:00.620 We're going to put out great chemicals.

00:20:02.200 We're going to control the production of his brain chemistry.

00:20:06.260 Yeah, that's fascinating.

00:20:07.300 We'll get back to that because you mentioned that earlier, that the things you eat affect

00:20:11.280 emotionally how you're able to relate to other people.

00:20:14.700 Is that true?

00:20:14.980 Actually, that research was done right here in LA.

00:20:17.180 Dr. Emron Mayer did some of the pioneering work on that.

00:20:19.680 Can you write that down to me, Emron Mayer?

00:20:20.820 Emron Mayer, good guy to have on the show.

00:20:22.280 That would be fascinating.

00:20:23.000 You owe me one.

00:20:24.660 Wow, because so I could potentially be able to love people better and learn about myself

00:20:32.720 better if I eat better.

00:20:35.600 I would tell you without a doubt.

00:20:37.000 So here's what we need to craft for you.

00:20:39.080 We need to craft for you a diet that reduces inflammation.

00:20:42.340 Yeah.

00:20:42.940 Fundamentally.

00:20:43.580 I feel inflamed.

00:20:45.160 Well, why do we see other inflammatory disorders along with depression?

00:20:49.980 Why do we see skin inflammation, joint inflammation, those types of things?

00:20:54.760 Obesity, which is an inflammatory disorder.

00:20:57.220 The inflammation comes from fat cells.

00:20:59.520 Wow.

00:20:59.820 So why do these things all happen?

00:21:01.520 Why do we see gross disturbances of gut bacteria?

00:21:04.140 Because they're all related.

00:21:05.780 So the trick then for you and any of the other 47 million or 27 million Americans who are suffering

00:21:14.900 from depression, what do we offer up?

00:21:17.880 We offer up a diet that's lower in its ability to produce inflammation.

00:21:23.220 Okay.

00:21:23.360 And that is a diet that's lower in sugar, lower in refined carbs, but has fiber, which

00:21:29.380 is a carbohydrate.

00:21:30.680 Fundamental point here.

00:21:31.560 People say, I'm going on a low-carb diet, and they ditch the fiber because it's a carb

00:21:36.720 by definition.

00:21:37.820 Right.

00:21:38.080 It's the last thing in the world you want to do.

00:21:39.520 You want to nurture your gut bacteria.

00:21:41.400 Don't get rid of the fiber.

00:21:43.420 You need that.

00:21:44.220 And dare I say, eat more fat.

00:21:47.360 Eat olive oil, avocado oil, avocados, nuts and seeds, grass-fed beef, wild fish.

00:21:54.040 Get good fat.

00:21:55.200 Calm the fire.

00:21:57.380 Who knew?

00:21:58.320 Now, if you really want to push it, and you look like you probably want to push it, right?

00:22:02.280 I think so.

00:22:02.960 I don't know.

00:22:03.400 Let's find out.

00:22:04.080 How old are you?

00:22:04.780 I'm 38.

00:22:05.480 Okay.

00:22:05.780 Your birthday's tomorrow.

00:22:06.880 Yep.

00:22:07.020 My birthday's tomorrow.

00:22:07.560 Okay.

00:22:07.740 So you'll be 39 tomorrow or you're 38?

00:22:09.100 That's very sweet of you.

00:22:10.320 I'm going to be 39 tomorrow.

00:22:12.080 Okay.

00:22:13.200 So you want to look into keto.

00:22:15.420 You really want to look into the ketogenic diet.

00:22:18.200 Would do you a world of good, but be sure, and to any of your listeners, viewers who are

00:22:24.400 thinking keto or doing keto, you've got to eat the fiber or you'll get constipated.

00:22:30.300 You'll have digestive issues.

00:22:31.840 And you've got to use potassium and magnesium or you'll get the keto flu.

00:22:35.400 Okay.

00:22:35.700 So many people bail on the keto diet because they don't do those two things.

00:22:39.140 Okay.

00:22:39.640 So you're saying, so a way to kind of to start and to fast track some of the things that

00:22:45.580 you've been talking about that will help your system and my system.

00:22:48.260 Great pun there.

00:22:49.040 Fast track.

00:22:50.440 You want to fast.

00:22:51.100 Yeah.

00:22:51.380 Yeah.

00:22:51.540 You want to fast.

00:22:52.340 Oh, you want to fast.

00:22:53.440 You want to fast.

00:22:54.700 Do you want to fast?

00:22:55.680 Well, hold on.

00:22:56.140 First, let me, because I'm slow, so I have to go through.

00:22:59.160 I don't know if I'm sure my listeners are a lot quicker than me, but they always say I'm

00:23:03.580 repeating stuff, but so, so a keto diet that we also add potassium and magnesium supplements.

00:23:10.300 Now that could be vitamins.

00:23:11.240 We could get those in a store.

00:23:13.080 Yeah.

00:23:13.500 I mean, there are things, there are online brands that you can get.

00:23:16.400 And that's okay to add to it with the keto.

00:23:18.440 We don't have to, so a keto diet with those and then also fiber.

00:23:21.880 Now, can that fiber be a supplement as well or does the fiber?

00:23:25.480 Always choose food first.

00:23:27.000 Okay.

00:23:27.400 All right.

00:23:27.660 So if we're talking about magnesium, let's be a little bit technical here.

00:23:31.560 So chlorophyll is what makes things green.

00:23:34.740 The center of the chlorophyll molecule is magnesium.

00:23:38.060 So anything green that you eat has magnesium in it.

00:23:40.620 That's one way to know.

00:23:42.580 So you want to get diversity.

00:23:44.420 You want to get lots of color.

00:23:45.560 You want to eat a lot of vegetables.

00:23:47.380 They have a lot of fiber.

00:23:48.360 If you really want the right kind of fiber for your gut bacteria, you use what is called

00:23:53.400 prebiotic fiber.

00:23:54.660 That's onions, garlics, leeks, chicory, root.

00:23:59.140 Oh, that's from Louisiana.

00:24:00.060 All the coffee has chicory in it.

00:24:01.340 They dilute it in the day, especially in World War II.

00:24:04.280 But dandelion green.

00:24:06.260 But you can go to the health food store and stand at the counter and say, I want some prebiotic

00:24:11.860 fiber.

00:24:12.320 I'm not saying probiotic.

00:24:13.500 I'm saying prebiotic.

00:24:14.640 And they have prebiotic fiber that's made from acacia gum.

00:24:18.820 That's the tree in Africa.

00:24:20.160 It secretes its gum.

00:24:21.680 Sustainably harvested.

00:24:22.660 It's the best prebiotic you can find.

00:24:24.700 Dang.

00:24:25.220 Organic.

00:24:25.800 It secretes its gum.

00:24:26.560 It's almost twice chewed then if you get it, you know.

00:24:29.240 I guess.

00:24:29.980 It might be a bad joke.

00:24:31.920 But what we can do, though, is we can put a list of like a basic kind of starter set

00:24:36.260 of diet under this YouTube that would be, I think, really helpful to people.

00:24:39.720 But let's talk about more that involves inflammation that you can leverage for depression.

00:24:45.280 Okay.

00:24:45.540 Okay.

00:24:45.820 So we want to do everything we can.

00:24:47.500 Diet is key.

00:24:48.460 Okay.

00:24:49.000 Exercise, 20 minutes of aerobics, a day, key.

00:24:52.140 Being on schedule is really very important.

00:24:55.240 Wow.

00:24:55.340 Trying to do the same thing every day that you possibly can.

00:24:59.000 Not just what you eat, but when you eat.

00:25:01.960 Try to eat your last food at least three hours before you go to bed.

00:25:08.580 Okay?

00:25:09.160 Yeah.

00:25:09.380 So you want to be sleeping when you're sleeping, digesting during times that you're awake.

00:25:13.700 You want to make sure you're getting good restorative sleep, like eight hours a night.

00:25:17.480 That would be really important.

00:25:19.520 And dare I say, you want to limit stress.

00:25:21.200 And what does that mean?

00:25:21.780 Everybody's talking about, I want to limit stress so I don't do certain things.

00:25:25.300 I don't engage in certain things.

00:25:26.900 Stress can be watching the evening news.

00:25:28.820 Stress can be on social media where we're being told we're not good enough.

00:25:33.360 Yeah.

00:25:33.540 Because social media pounds you with ideology that we're not measuring up.

00:25:39.000 That everybody else's life is better.

00:25:40.980 You look at their Instagram posts.

00:25:43.000 They're having the best time.

00:25:44.180 Why is my life not so great?

00:25:46.080 So stop comparing ourselves to other people.

00:25:48.640 That's the biggest stress inducer I think of in our modern times.

00:25:52.640 So get off of this merry-go-round

00:25:56.860 where everybody else looks like they're having –

00:25:59.220 I got news for it.

00:26:00.340 They aren't.

00:26:01.060 Right.

00:26:01.320 They're all having a great time.

00:26:02.380 Their lives are wonderful.

00:26:04.440 They aren't.

00:26:05.360 Yeah, they're not sharing the truths a lot of times.

00:26:07.040 Yeah.

00:26:07.380 Which would probably, if they did,

00:26:08.720 it might even alleviate some people's stress to know that we aren't the same.

00:26:13.740 Do you really –

00:26:14.160 So you really –

00:26:14.800 Yeah, I guess in your lifetime you've probably seen –

00:26:17.400 and I don't think you're much older than me,

00:26:18.620 but I bet in your lifetime that you've seen –

00:26:21.640 has that really shocked you,

00:26:22.940 the way that social media and stuff has become that much of a stressor?

00:26:27.540 Absolutely.

00:26:28.120 And I'm a lot older than you.

00:26:30.340 I'm 64.

00:26:31.860 You look good for 64, Dr. Perlmutter.

00:26:33.460 I'm trying.

00:26:34.220 Yeah.

00:26:34.420 And it has shocked me and my son, Austin Perlmutter, also an MD,

00:26:40.260 to the extent that we've written a book about it.

00:26:42.440 Wow.

00:26:42.600 And that's coming out in January of 2020 called Brainwash.

00:26:46.120 A, we're calling attention to this issue,

00:26:49.140 and B, we're providing the response,

00:26:51.800 what you can do to offload this stuff.

00:26:53.860 Yeah.

00:26:54.180 How you can sleep better,

00:26:55.420 why exercise is important,

00:26:57.160 how the food that you eat speaks to your genes,

00:27:00.180 giving your genes information to reduce inflammation

00:27:03.800 or increase inflammation,

00:27:05.260 your choice based upon what you eat.

00:27:07.320 But to identify this very obvious way

00:27:11.480 that we are being manipulated on social media

00:27:14.320 and in our digital worlds,

00:27:15.720 not just for producing this feeling of low self-worth,

00:27:20.340 but providing the quick clickbait answer to satisfy,

00:27:25.160 look, I'm overweight, buy this thing, lose weight quickly.

00:27:28.780 And all these ideas for quick and sudden,

00:27:31.220 that's redundant,

00:27:32.700 ways to satisfy ourselves getting back

00:27:35.140 to the impulsivity part of the brain

00:27:36.760 where we're saying, look, stop.

00:27:39.780 If you think you need to buy stuff every day on Amazon

00:27:42.360 because that makes you feel better,

00:27:44.260 stop.

00:27:44.880 Wait 24 hours and then buy it.

00:27:47.060 If this is a quick fix for your problem,

00:27:49.760 take a deep breath,

00:27:51.080 but don't be misled by what you're seeing on digital media

00:27:54.400 as to what your value is.

00:27:57.720 So Facebook shouldn't determine Theo's value,

00:28:01.320 what you think of yourself.

00:28:02.680 Right.

00:28:03.020 You talk about depression.

00:28:04.680 What goes on in terms of manipulating your online choices

00:28:08.820 is a situation that absolutely creates depression.

00:28:13.920 And so like, give me an example of that.

00:28:15.900 So what goes on,

00:28:16.960 like the things that I do online

00:28:19.480 and how I behave on there

00:28:20.620 and what I see on there,

00:28:22.400 you mean can immediately make me feel a certain way?

00:28:24.580 Absolutely, because what it's doing

00:28:26.120 is it's catering your brain

00:28:28.200 to continued relationship with the amygdala,

00:28:31.220 the reptilian brain.

00:28:32.780 Immediate response.

00:28:33.900 You feel bad about yourself for this,

00:28:36.400 buy that and you're done.

00:28:37.840 You've satisfied that.

00:28:38.820 You get the dopamine hit

00:28:39.680 as soon as it arrives the next day on Amazon Prime

00:28:42.980 or they drop it in your backyard with a drone

00:28:44.740 or however the next new way

00:28:46.260 of you satisfying that urge.

00:28:48.540 And then it came and you suddenly realize,

00:28:50.680 I need more.

00:28:51.880 I'm not content.

00:28:54.440 Whereas contentment means you have enough.

00:28:58.740 That's the prefrontal cortex.

00:29:00.760 You have achieved a place where you don't need more.

00:29:04.700 You've achieved a place of happiness,

00:29:06.900 of empathy and compassion for other people,

00:29:10.140 of being able to calm yourself

00:29:12.620 and make appropriate decisions about your life

00:29:15.560 and me make decisions about your life

00:29:18.360 and about caring for your neighbor,

00:29:20.200 about caring for people who are different than you are

00:29:22.520 and about caring for the planet.

00:29:24.520 Wow.

00:29:25.260 So that care,

00:29:26.300 it's amazing that so much emotion can come from

00:29:29.200 from what we eat

00:29:32.600 and that it can,

00:29:33.320 I could definitely see how,

00:29:35.900 like if you had less inflammation,

00:29:37.540 you'd probably,

00:29:37.940 so less inflammation means less stress.

00:29:40.280 Absolutely.

00:29:40.980 Okay.

00:29:41.600 And so less stress,

00:29:42.620 of course,

00:29:43.080 then you're going to be,

00:29:43.720 it's going to be easier for you

00:29:44.480 to be patient with someone.

00:29:45.940 It's going to be easier for you

00:29:47.340 to be more understanding.

00:29:49.400 It's going to be easier for you

00:29:50.380 to take that extra second

00:29:52.900 to like kind of make a choice

00:29:54.240 so you're not just being that reptile.

00:29:57.580 But it sounds,

00:29:58.220 it seems like all the advertising

00:29:59.460 and everything these days,

00:30:00.600 we're like catapulting humanity

00:30:03.200 towards just using that reptilian brain.

00:30:07.620 That's right.

00:30:08.180 So we've got to stop that.

00:30:09.860 Do you think we can?

00:30:11.480 I'm going to do my best

00:30:13.000 and Austin Perlmutter

00:30:14.560 is doing his best

00:30:16.580 to put the information out,

00:30:18.340 brainwash,

00:30:19.640 about what people can do.

00:30:21.100 And, you know,

00:30:22.160 one other really important part

00:30:23.600 of the program

00:30:24.200 is reconnecting with nature.

00:30:26.160 And that can be having a plant

00:30:27.640 in front of you

00:30:28.320 when you're doing a podcast

00:30:29.160 or it can be walking in nature

00:30:31.600 and breathing better air.

00:30:33.620 What about candles even?

00:30:34.720 I notice when I have candles around

00:30:35.880 that I feel so much different

00:30:37.040 than when I have regular lights on.

00:30:38.600 You know, candles are a visual.

00:30:40.120 We are attracted to fire.

00:30:41.900 It's very calming.

00:30:43.160 But in addition,

00:30:44.360 there are scents of candles

00:30:45.520 which hopefully are natural.

00:30:47.220 And that's one,

00:30:47.860 another reason that forests,

00:30:50.320 being in the forest,

00:30:51.460 really reconnect us.

00:30:53.060 That's a very deep

00:30:54.260 and primitive part of our brain

00:30:55.440 that you're activating.

00:30:56.500 Yeah.

00:30:57.500 Man, it's crazy to think

00:30:59.000 kind of like

00:30:59.700 just where we're headed then,

00:31:02.260 you know.

00:31:03.160 I read in your book

00:31:04.460 that there's,

00:31:05.840 like sometimes you think like,

00:31:07.000 okay, I'm having this thing

00:31:09.340 that my ancestors had,

00:31:10.460 this primitive sort of diet

00:31:11.740 and it was about wheat.

00:31:12.860 A part of it was about a wheat

00:31:13.940 or something.

00:31:14.420 But that the wheat

00:31:15.000 that we have now

00:31:16.040 is nothing like the wheat

00:31:18.580 that they had then.

00:31:20.120 Well, let's put it in perspective.

00:31:21.000 And I might be paraphrasing.

00:31:22.200 Let's put it in perspective.

00:31:23.120 Our ancestors didn't have wheat.

00:31:25.100 Okay.

00:31:26.000 So wheat only came into the picture

00:31:28.180 14,000 years ago

00:31:30.140 to be generous.

00:31:30.760 which means for 99.6%

00:31:34.520 of our time walking this planet,

00:31:36.100 we didn't have wheat.

00:31:37.200 Wow.

00:31:37.620 We didn't have barley.

00:31:38.760 We didn't have any of that stuff.

00:31:40.740 I mean,

00:31:41.020 that's when agriculture began.

00:31:42.800 And you know,

00:31:44.200 the size of our brain

00:31:46.200 increased threefold

00:31:48.080 from 2 million years ago

00:31:49.300 up until about 14,000 years ago.

00:31:52.120 And then it stopped?

00:31:53.200 Then it's declined 10% since then.

00:31:56.220 So think about that.

00:31:57.580 So, you know,

00:31:58.880 everybody crazy.

00:31:59.640 That's crazy.

00:32:00.760 Everybody credits agriculture

00:32:01.820 with, you know,

00:32:03.400 with all these great advances

00:32:04.520 in humanity,

00:32:05.980 you know,

00:32:06.100 the development of cities

00:32:07.220 and our social,

00:32:09.680 true social networking.

00:32:11.660 But in reality,

00:32:12.800 it has represented

00:32:13.980 the greatest change

00:32:15.060 in human diet ever.

00:32:17.240 So, you know,

00:32:17.780 that sort of segues

00:32:18.560 to the so-called paleo movement.

00:32:20.380 And I think to grasp that,

00:32:23.160 you really have to understand

00:32:24.620 that food is information.

00:32:26.060 What do I mean by that?

00:32:27.340 That the foods you eat,

00:32:29.120 yeah,

00:32:29.560 it nurtures your gut bacteria.

00:32:31.160 We talked about that,

00:32:32.000 which is hugely important

00:32:33.020 in and of itself.

00:32:34.480 But it also sends

00:32:35.860 important information

00:32:37.520 about your environment

00:32:38.940 to your DNA.

00:32:41.620 You are controlling

00:32:43.100 the expression

00:32:43.840 of your DNA

00:32:45.100 based upon the foods

00:32:47.160 that you eat.

00:32:48.060 So, if I eat healthy stuff,

00:32:49.280 I'm letting my DNA know

00:32:50.240 that I'm in a healthy environment

00:32:51.300 and that everything's okay.

00:32:52.140 And then your DNA

00:32:52.820 creates antioxidants.

00:32:54.740 Right.

00:32:54.980 It helps you detoxify.

00:32:55.440 It chills out.

00:32:55.980 It's at the beach.

00:32:57.020 It makes chemicals

00:32:57.840 to grow more brain cells.

00:32:59.800 And it lets you feel better

00:33:01.680 about the world.

00:33:02.600 Whereas,

00:33:03.200 if I have two boxes

00:33:03.980 of tart and tinies

00:33:04.880 and then my DNA says,

00:33:06.300 Jesus Christ,

00:33:07.100 where are we?

00:33:07.540 I don't know tart and tinies.

00:33:08.520 Oh, just like a, um...

00:33:09.600 It sounds bad.

00:33:11.000 I'm trying to get a candy.

00:33:11.460 A tart and tinies

00:33:12.340 didn't grow in nature.

00:33:13.360 Yeah, sweet tarts.

00:33:15.500 Sweet tarts.

00:33:16.140 I remember those.

00:33:16.960 Or sugar,

00:33:17.700 uh, Tootsie Rolls.

00:33:19.560 Yeah.

00:33:19.920 You know?

00:33:20.520 You're reaching back.

00:33:21.640 I'm trying to find out.

00:33:23.600 Milk duds.

00:33:24.500 Necco wafers.

00:33:25.180 Necco's.

00:33:25.540 I was right there.

00:33:26.500 Oh, right.

00:33:26.940 That was perfect.

00:33:27.640 Dude, that's crazy, bro.

00:33:29.320 I know.

00:33:30.120 Wow.

00:33:31.380 We're going to take

00:33:32.040 a poetic pause here.

00:33:32.920 But so...

00:33:33.620 But when you do that,

00:33:34.860 you eat that food.

00:33:35.800 So, you have the artificial colors,

00:33:37.200 the artificial flavors,

00:33:38.820 lots and lots of sugar.

00:33:40.200 Yeah.

00:33:40.480 That sends signals

00:33:41.380 to your DNA

00:33:41.920 that amplifies

00:33:43.380 the production

00:33:44.000 of inflammatory chemicals,

00:33:46.420 reduces your production

00:33:48.040 of antioxidants,

00:33:49.380 and compromises

00:33:50.940 your detox pathways.

00:33:52.980 So, you're eating poison

00:33:54.280 and at the same time,

00:33:56.060 you're compromising

00:33:56.740 your ability

00:33:57.240 to get rid of poison.

00:33:58.860 So, you're setting yourself

00:33:59.800 up for disaster.

00:34:01.220 Now, when can you have

00:34:02.220 some poison?

00:34:03.020 Like, when can you,

00:34:03.720 like, sometimes,

00:34:04.500 look, man,

00:34:05.100 if I've been on a flight

00:34:06.040 to New York

00:34:06.620 and I've walked by

00:34:07.280 that Dunkin' Donuts,

00:34:08.280 bro, I gotta have one.

00:34:09.480 You know?

00:34:10.100 I can't even.

00:34:10.780 And they got the lady

00:34:11.380 over there,

00:34:11.820 looking at me.

00:34:12.380 So, the lady's looking

00:34:12.940 and saying,

00:34:13.460 Theo, Theo.

00:34:13.960 There's a lot of advertising.

00:34:15.280 Three or four different colors,

00:34:16.500 written in bright colors.

00:34:17.400 I want you to realize,

00:34:19.320 to take a step back

00:34:20.340 and think that

00:34:21.120 that's playing on you.

00:34:22.580 That's playing on

00:34:23.520 that quick dopamine surge.

00:34:25.760 Are they gonna get,

00:34:26.420 who's in charge?

00:34:27.200 That lizard.

00:34:27.840 That's what you ask yourself.

00:34:29.580 What I do,

00:34:30.820 look for a mirror,

00:34:32.220 look yourself in the mirror,

00:34:33.600 look in your eyes

00:34:34.160 and ask yourself one question,

00:34:35.460 who's in charge?

00:34:36.220 Look at Larry Duncan,

00:34:37.220 usually, bro,

00:34:37.760 I go straight for that

00:34:38.400 Dunkin' Donuts.

00:34:39.200 Yeah, I mean,

00:34:39.680 I just,

00:34:39.880 they get me.

00:34:41.240 Okay, I guess we're done here.

00:34:42.220 Now, a lot of times,

00:34:42.240 things don't get me, though.

00:34:43.280 A lot of times,

00:34:43.800 things don't get me.

00:34:44.920 But can you celebrate

00:34:45.840 once in a while?

00:34:46.440 I mean, you can't.

00:34:47.260 Absolutely.

00:34:48.040 I mean,

00:34:48.440 do you ever celebrate?

00:34:49.800 Like, we'll have a birthday cake

00:34:50.980 if it's someone's birthday?

00:34:52.540 Not so much.

00:34:53.420 Right.

00:34:53.860 That, you know,

00:34:54.380 my cells didn't know

00:34:55.440 that it's your birthday tomorrow.

00:34:57.020 They don't know

00:34:57.580 that yesterday was St. Pat.

00:35:00.720 Whatever is the holiday.

00:35:02.260 Every day could be a holiday.

00:35:03.580 That's a good point.

00:35:04.060 I'm sure it's somebody's birthday

00:35:05.140 every day, right?

00:35:05.700 Yeah.

00:35:06.100 Your cells don't know

00:35:06.900 it's Thanksgiving or Christmas.

00:35:08.140 They don't take the day off.

00:35:09.540 Right.

00:35:09.760 So, again, you know,

00:35:12.440 from my perspective,

00:35:13.680 having dealt with patients

00:35:15.540 and their maladies

00:35:16.860 for all these years,

00:35:18.400 having dealt with a father

00:35:20.640 who died of an illness

00:35:21.680 that's related to lifestyle choice,

00:35:23.840 and my mother as well

00:35:25.100 as a cigarette smoker,

00:35:26.800 I realized that

00:35:28.240 your choices matter

00:35:29.440 a whole lack of a lot.

00:35:30.980 When Theo says

00:35:31.780 you look younger than 64,

00:35:33.620 God, I'm thinking

00:35:34.740 keep at it.

00:35:35.660 You know, stay with it.

00:35:36.500 Yeah.

00:35:37.080 But beyond that,

00:35:39.000 get the message out.

00:35:39.880 Do the best you can

00:35:40.720 to get the message out

00:35:41.420 for other people

00:35:42.020 because people

00:35:42.640 are absolutely struggling.

00:35:45.520 Yeah.

00:35:45.740 You walk through that airport,

00:35:46.680 whatever time of day it is,

00:35:47.800 and you look at

00:35:48.160 what people look like.

00:35:49.440 A, most people

00:35:50.520 are overweight

00:35:51.120 and look awful

00:35:52.260 and B, they're not happy

00:35:53.940 and C, what I've learned

00:35:56.160 and what was motivation

00:35:57.280 for this new book

00:35:58.100 is people are lonesome

00:35:59.960 and unconnected.

00:36:01.300 Yeah, that's what we talk

00:36:02.220 about a lot on here.

00:36:02.960 And we can do

00:36:03.200 what we can

00:36:04.360 to let people feel comfortable

00:36:06.440 with reconnecting

00:36:07.400 to others

00:36:07.840 who are different from them,

00:36:09.120 who look different,

00:36:10.280 whose ideas are different,

00:36:11.740 and we stop.

00:36:12.920 We listen to what

00:36:13.860 that person has to say.

00:36:15.300 You know,

00:36:16.780 you ever heard

00:36:17.280 the saying,

00:36:18.300 if you're going

00:36:20.680 to judge somebody,

00:36:21.540 you have to walk

00:36:22.040 a mile in their shoes

00:36:23.060 before you say something

00:36:23.880 about them.

00:36:24.120 Yeah.

00:36:24.580 You know why they say that?

00:36:25.880 Because then when you judge them,

00:36:27.540 you're already a mile away

00:36:29.080 and you have their shoes.

00:36:30.660 So, I mean, you know.

00:36:33.240 I like that.

00:36:33.920 Now, where do you go?

00:36:34.680 Where do you go with that?

00:36:35.340 I stumped you.

00:36:36.300 Yeah, I think I am stumped.

00:36:37.680 So, now,

00:36:40.180 you talked about prebiotics earlier

00:36:42.100 and we'll put a couple of those on

00:36:44.560 and you can go to your health store

00:36:45.440 and ask what they are.

00:36:46.900 So, you recommended

00:36:47.660 for a kind of a,

00:36:48.740 not a fast track,

00:36:50.240 but to get started

00:36:51.240 in a place that would

00:36:52.680 have a diet

00:36:54.100 that is better for you

00:36:55.240 that would cause less stress

00:36:56.480 and cause less inflammation

00:36:57.540 in your body

00:36:58.020 would be a keto diet

00:36:59.060 with magnesium

00:37:00.200 and potassium supplements

00:37:01.380 and some prebiotics.

00:37:04.420 Lots of fiber.

00:37:04.840 That would be a great start.

00:37:05.900 Lots of fiber.

00:37:06.520 Now, after you were to start this,

00:37:08.740 what are signs

00:37:09.320 that you could look for

00:37:10.240 that it's having

00:37:11.300 an effect in your life?

00:37:12.200 And that happens quickly.

00:37:13.360 Wow.

00:37:13.760 Usually a couple of weeks.

00:37:15.500 You wake up refreshed.

00:37:17.020 You want to open the curtains

00:37:18.240 and let the light in.

00:37:19.480 So many things

00:37:20.060 that we could talk about

00:37:20.780 in terms of that.

00:37:21.460 Keep that in mind.

00:37:22.940 But people feel better,

00:37:24.260 more energetic,

00:37:25.140 clearer of mind.

00:37:26.760 You know,

00:37:26.940 a lot of people don't realize

00:37:28.040 that they're a bit foggy

00:37:29.100 until suddenly the fog lifts.

00:37:30.400 I realize that all the time.

00:37:31.620 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 Sometimes I'm like,

00:37:32.700 man, what is,

00:37:33.700 it's like there's this

00:37:34.420 kind of smog in my head

00:37:36.080 and it really feels

00:37:37.160 physically like that,

00:37:38.360 like a very thin smoke helmet.

00:37:40.660 Exactly.

00:37:40.980 You know,

00:37:41.140 and I don't use drugs or alcohol.

00:37:42.420 Well,

00:37:42.840 in the day,

00:37:44.080 we used to listen

00:37:45.140 to FM radio a lot.

00:37:46.420 Yeah.

00:37:47.060 And now everything's,

00:37:48.180 of course,

00:37:48.260 digital.

00:37:48.900 But on FM radio,

00:37:51.500 you'd be driving your car

00:37:52.540 and if there's lightning,

00:37:53.960 you couldn't even see it,

00:37:54.740 but it was way out

00:37:55.340 in the distance somewhere,

00:37:56.240 that would strike.

00:37:57.540 You would hear it

00:37:58.340 on the radio.

00:37:58.960 The music would be interrupted.

00:38:00.060 You'd hear the sound.

00:38:00.940 And that's what inflammation

00:38:02.480 does to your thought process.

00:38:04.320 When you've got high levels

00:38:05.740 of inflammation in your body,

00:38:06.880 it's like that lightning

00:38:07.960 going off in the background

00:38:09.000 and the music gets interrupted.

00:38:10.880 So when the inflammation

00:38:12.240 starts to get toned down,

00:38:13.720 your memory improves

00:38:15.140 and you start to see things clearly.

00:38:16.600 The fog will lift.

00:38:18.280 Wow.

00:38:18.420 It happens quickly.

00:38:19.580 Then the weight loss begins.

00:38:20.580 Then people look at the mirror

00:38:21.300 and notice their face looks better.

00:38:23.140 People comment.

00:38:24.320 You go to your next belt loop,

00:38:26.280 a hole in your belt,

00:38:27.480 and people start to feel better.

00:38:30.040 And it doesn't take long.

00:38:31.180 And what's good about that is,

00:38:33.060 let's say it takes two weeks.

00:38:34.800 That is self-reinforcing.

00:38:37.280 I'm doing it.

00:38:38.220 I'm finally doing it.

00:38:39.980 How good is that?

00:38:40.600 I am not on a diet.

00:38:42.820 It's not XYZ diet.

00:38:45.100 We buy a book or go on,

00:38:46.300 whatever it is.

00:38:46.840 I don't have to go to meetings.

00:38:48.200 I'm just eating the right foods.

00:38:50.640 My body is responding.

00:38:52.340 Because your body wants to be healthy.

00:38:54.320 It wants to resist disease.

00:38:56.300 Your brain wants to work.

00:38:57.940 Your brain wants to resist disease.

00:39:00.100 And your mood,

00:39:01.280 I think your body,

00:39:02.500 your brain wants you to be happy.

00:39:04.240 Yeah.

00:39:04.600 You were gifted this lifetime.

00:39:06.260 And you were gifted,

00:39:07.280 I believe,

00:39:08.280 the desire and the ability

00:39:10.420 to enjoy life

00:39:11.620 and not be depressed.

00:39:12.840 Yeah.

00:39:13.420 Depression happens

00:39:14.360 when things line up

00:39:15.700 and then it's feet forward.

00:39:17.360 The more depressed you are,

00:39:18.960 the less likely you are to exercise,

00:39:21.280 the less likely you are

00:39:22.340 to make the right food choices.

00:39:24.060 Yeah.

00:39:24.260 With all due respect,

00:39:25.280 the more likely

00:39:26.140 you are to give in

00:39:27.820 to Dunkin' Donuts

00:39:29.040 or whatever else

00:39:30.340 is bombarding your mind

00:39:31.920 with ideas

00:39:33.120 that this is what you should do

00:39:34.320 for that immediate surge,

00:39:36.840 that glazed donut

00:39:38.140 that's going to give you

00:39:39.540 that dopamine surge

00:39:40.540 that then stimulates

00:39:41.800 your endogenous opiate receptors.

00:39:45.040 And I believe

00:39:45.900 that that is a big player

00:39:48.080 in terms of opiate addiction,

00:39:49.840 that we constantly bombard ourselves

00:39:51.820 with first the dopamine surge

00:39:53.940 that then makes

00:39:55.140 these opiate receptors

00:39:56.340 want more.

00:39:57.160 They're ready.

00:39:57.780 And of course,

00:39:58.220 there's opiates.

00:40:00.060 There's opioids.

00:40:01.140 They're there.

00:40:01.880 Ready and willing to...

00:40:03.260 Snackable.

00:40:03.840 Snack size now.

00:40:04.840 I mean,

00:40:04.980 back in the day

00:40:06.020 you had to smoke opium.

00:40:08.040 You know,

00:40:08.340 and now they got

00:40:08.900 a little snack.

00:40:09.980 They got the...

00:40:11.060 Vapen.

00:40:11.440 Vapen, practically.

00:40:13.320 I mean,

00:40:13.480 I'm surprised

00:40:13.840 opioid hadn't come out

00:40:14.640 with a vape pen.

00:40:16.220 And I like the THC products

00:40:19.100 that are shaped like pacifiers.

00:40:20.920 What is the signal

00:40:22.020 we're sending to children there?

00:40:24.200 Infants.

00:40:24.660 Yeah, I mean,

00:40:25.060 that's certainly an adult play toy.

00:40:26.960 Oh, toddlers are sleeping

00:40:27.940 for three days

00:40:28.700 on some of these pacifiers.

00:40:30.080 You know,

00:40:30.360 it's crazy.

00:40:30.660 I want to get back to...

00:40:31.500 Yeah, really.

00:40:32.320 Great.

00:40:32.720 The kids sleep

00:40:33.300 and everything's good.

00:40:34.260 We can go out.

00:40:34.880 We used to have a kid.

00:40:35.760 We'd go over to his house,

00:40:36.440 this boy Jeff Soviak,

00:40:37.660 and they had a gas leak

00:40:38.720 in their house, right?

00:40:39.360 And nobody ever knew.

00:40:40.560 And we would go over there

00:40:41.380 and go to sleep.

00:40:42.080 We'd sleep on Friday.

00:40:42.920 We'd go to sleep

00:40:43.340 on Friday night,

00:40:44.280 like 2 a.m.

00:40:45.560 Dude, we'd get up

00:40:46.160 Sunday morning, man.

00:40:47.240 We'd sleep for like 32 hours.

00:40:48.740 We had no idea

00:40:49.580 that they had a...

00:40:50.660 Whatever kind of gas that is,

00:40:52.120 you know?

00:40:52.340 What a whole Jeff Soviak

00:40:53.600 is doing these days.

00:40:54.440 I don't know, dude, probably.

00:40:56.100 I don't know where he is.

00:40:57.040 And actually,

00:40:57.360 I've tried to text him

00:40:58.100 and call him.

00:40:59.200 So I wish he would

00:41:00.000 reach back out.

00:41:00.620 If Jeff is out there,

00:41:01.400 we'd need to update.

00:41:02.880 We would sleep forever, man.

00:41:04.240 His whole family would be asleep.

00:41:05.100 You'd walk by his mom

00:41:05.800 and we'd be making a salad

00:41:06.720 and she would just be unconscious.

00:41:07.940 Really?

00:41:08.140 Yeah, they had like a...

00:41:09.760 I guess it's carbon monoxide

00:41:10.940 or something.

00:41:13.340 It's a pretty much more aggressive

00:41:14.820 kind of event

00:41:16.100 that happens with carbon monoxide

00:41:17.260 as opposed to going on

00:41:18.540 for year after year.

00:41:19.200 But it could be.

00:41:19.780 Yeah, it must have been...

00:41:20.480 It might have been

00:41:20.800 like a slow leak or whatever,

00:41:22.180 but it was relaxing.

00:41:24.400 But anyway...

00:41:24.800 We had mentioned about,

00:41:25.800 you know,

00:41:25.920 you wake in the morning,

00:41:26.440 throw open the curtains,

00:41:27.080 get a lot of light in.

00:41:27.980 And I think...

00:41:28.560 So you'll naturally

00:41:29.340 start to do that?

00:41:30.500 Oh, yeah.

00:41:31.240 Wow.

00:41:32.460 I think the light story

00:41:33.920 is something we can touch on

00:41:35.100 since we're...

00:41:36.020 There's not huge segues here.

00:41:37.960 We go wherever we want.

00:41:38.600 Yeah, no.

00:41:39.140 And sometimes we never know

00:41:40.100 how these conversations

00:41:40.660 are going to go.

00:41:41.140 It's like sometimes it's...

00:41:42.480 You know, you just never know.

00:41:43.240 And that's what podcast listeners

00:41:45.320 and I enjoy as a listener

00:41:46.640 is just, you know,

00:41:47.900 two people talking

00:41:48.600 that don't know each other

00:41:49.580 and, you know,

00:41:51.960 one of them having information

00:41:53.160 about something

00:41:53.600 and one of them not, you know?

00:41:54.820 Well, I'd say that, you know,

00:41:56.940 we're just really getting a handle

00:41:58.620 on how circadian rhythms

00:42:00.900 affect the human body.

00:42:02.540 Right.

00:42:02.740 And we, you know,

00:42:03.540 we're really realizing

00:42:04.440 that every cell in our body

00:42:05.580 responds to the circadian day,

00:42:08.440 circa, around, dia, day.

00:42:10.300 Okay.

00:42:10.660 Circadian rhythm

00:42:11.860 that it's all of our cells,

00:42:13.180 including our gut bacteria,

00:42:14.840 respond to various times of the day.

00:42:17.420 There's a great book called

00:42:18.300 The Circadian Code

00:42:19.760 by Dr. Sachin Panda.

00:42:22.220 Great.

00:42:22.740 Be a great guest for you.

00:42:24.600 But nonetheless,

00:42:25.780 I mean, he talks about

00:42:26.920 how it's really important for us,

00:42:29.680 Matthew Walker, too,

00:42:30.580 for his book, Why We Sleep.

00:42:33.720 Oh, yeah.

00:42:34.360 I actually read about half of that book.

00:42:35.820 He was on Joe Rogan, I think.

00:42:37.260 Yeah.

00:42:37.520 But about, you know,

00:42:39.220 that we need to have blue light

00:42:41.160 during the day,

00:42:42.160 that we should get out

00:42:43.060 and experience blue light,

00:42:44.480 really have exposure

00:42:45.500 to bright sunlight

00:42:47.060 because that really will

00:42:48.100 tamp down melatonin.

00:42:50.380 And then in the evening time,

00:42:51.560 we want to back down

00:42:52.580 off blue light significantly.

00:42:54.360 And where are we getting blue light?

00:42:55.520 I mean, these LEDs are,

00:42:56.780 we're loading ourselves

00:42:57.740 with blue light right now.

00:42:58.680 We are.

00:42:59.060 But we don't want to do that

00:43:00.240 at nighttime

00:43:00.660 because that would suppress melatonin

00:43:02.400 and keep us from getting

00:43:03.980 restorative sleep.

00:43:05.560 Very underrated

00:43:06.840 in terms of how important

00:43:08.020 that is for you

00:43:09.160 for reducing cortisol surges,

00:43:11.920 for reducing inflammation.

00:43:13.820 So getting what we call

00:43:14.940 salubrious or restorative sleep

00:43:16.980 is incredibly important.

00:43:19.320 And it's underrated.

00:43:20.380 I mean, you spend

00:43:20.860 a third of your life

00:43:21.660 hopefully sleeping.

00:43:22.620 Yeah.

00:43:23.080 And what about those

00:43:23.940 melatonin supplements?

00:43:24.960 Those are okay to take?

00:43:26.020 I think they are.

00:43:26.880 Yeah.

00:43:27.060 But I would say

00:43:28.120 before we supplement,

00:43:29.780 it would be good

00:43:30.420 to do it more naturally.

00:43:31.480 Right.

00:43:31.900 And recognize

00:43:32.760 what is it that

00:43:33.820 allows melatonin

00:43:35.040 to be present or absent.

00:43:36.740 And it's mostly blue light.

00:43:38.280 Light.

00:43:38.660 So that,

00:43:39.280 get a lot of blue light

00:43:40.160 in the daytime.

00:43:41.060 Evening comes around,

00:43:41.840 you want to back down.

00:43:42.800 If you're going to be

00:43:43.680 on your computer

00:43:44.600 or looking at your iPhone

00:43:45.700 or whatever phone

00:43:47.000 you may have,

00:43:47.960 you put on amber glasses

00:43:49.560 because that blocks blue light

00:43:51.340 and is very,

00:43:52.240 very helpful

00:43:52.780 in terms of

00:43:53.440 allowing your brain

00:43:54.260 then to make

00:43:54.980 more melatonin

00:43:55.920 and allowing you

00:43:56.780 to get some

00:43:57.260 restorative sleep.

00:43:58.480 Now,

00:43:59.260 you may have sleep apnea.

00:44:00.680 You may have

00:44:01.320 periodic leg movements

00:44:02.420 that are waking you up.

00:44:03.460 Yeah, the legs I do,

00:44:04.320 I got checked

00:44:04.720 for the sleep apnea.

00:44:05.460 I don't have it.

00:44:06.120 Yeah, but you may have

00:44:06.680 leg movements

00:44:07.140 that wake you up.

00:44:07.920 So you're getting

00:44:08.360 into deep sleep

00:44:09.220 but then your legs

00:44:09.840 start to move around.

00:44:10.780 You get into

00:44:11.480 a lighter stage of sleep

00:44:12.520 that's not as restorative.

00:44:14.160 How would you know that?

00:44:15.180 Yeah, that's where

00:44:15.580 I've spent a lot of time.

00:44:16.540 Yeah, so you may not know that.

00:44:17.800 That's why you get

00:44:18.500 a sleep study.

00:44:19.880 You go into a lab

00:44:22.240 and it's a little odd.

00:44:24.400 It was crazy.

00:44:25.120 This dude was flirting

00:44:25.740 with me.

00:44:26.020 This was out loud.

00:44:26.780 I had a,

00:44:27.340 this guy started crying.

00:44:28.800 Yeah, I was like,

00:44:29.220 dude, I ain't fucking

00:44:29.860 sleeping in here.

00:44:30.880 And then you got

00:44:31.200 the cameras watching you

00:44:32.320 and all kinds of stuff.

00:44:33.060 But anyway,

00:44:33.700 it's worth doing.

00:44:34.660 I mean,

00:44:35.660 you know,

00:44:35.960 there are other things

00:44:37.220 like the aura ring

00:44:38.180 is a great thing.

00:44:40.020 I'm going to hope

00:44:40.460 get mine in the next

00:44:41.240 couple of weeks.

00:44:41.840 What is that?

00:44:42.820 An aura ring,

00:44:43.400 you put it on your hand,

00:44:44.220 you wear it all the time,

00:44:45.280 measures your level of activity

00:44:46.540 but is able to measure

00:44:48.440 the depth and quality

00:44:49.540 of your sleep.

00:44:50.500 You wake up in the morning,

00:44:51.460 this thing downloads

00:44:52.220 into your phone

00:44:52.800 and tells you,

00:44:53.480 hey,

00:44:53.620 you got X number of hours

00:44:54.900 in this stage of sleep

00:44:56.220 and that stage of sleep

00:44:57.120 and then,

00:44:58.340 you know,

00:44:58.780 you work with that.

00:44:59.380 And that seems reliable,

00:45:00.200 that piece?

00:45:01.180 Actually,

00:45:01.500 I'm interviewing

00:45:01.940 the president of that,

00:45:04.000 God,

00:45:04.920 you are good,

00:45:05.920 the founder of that company

00:45:06.920 next week

00:45:08.360 and going to learn

00:45:08.980 more about it.

00:45:09.800 So,

00:45:10.140 I'm very excited about it

00:45:11.580 and anything that you can learn

00:45:13.240 that can hack your body

00:45:14.960 and give you tools,

00:45:16.580 I'm all about it.

00:45:17.400 It's time to do that.

00:45:18.240 I mean,

00:45:18.420 it's going on.

00:45:19.060 We have so much information now.

00:45:20.520 I think get your 23andMe

00:45:22.360 or other online company

00:45:24.740 that will give you

00:45:25.440 a report of your genome.

00:45:26.800 You need that information.

00:45:28.400 You can do great stuff

00:45:29.640 with,

00:45:30.040 once you take that data,

00:45:31.480 download it to one

00:45:32.900 of many different sites.

00:45:35.060 I recently downloaded mine

00:45:36.720 to FoundMyFitness.

00:45:38.460 That's Rhonda Patrick.

00:45:39.640 Great site.

00:45:40.660 And I learned stuff

00:45:41.500 about myself

00:45:42.120 that I think

00:45:42.600 is really important.

00:45:43.420 I learned,

00:45:44.280 for example,

00:45:44.660 that I don't metabolize

00:45:46.740 or use B vitamins

00:45:47.760 very effectively.

00:45:48.620 I have to have

00:45:48.980 a special type

00:45:49.740 of B vitamin

00:45:50.820 called methylated B vitamins.

00:45:52.460 I never would have known it.

00:45:53.960 Wow.

00:45:54.340 So,

00:45:54.620 who knew?

00:45:55.480 But do you find that,

00:45:57.640 sometimes I worry

00:45:59.600 that the information,

00:46:01.720 sometimes I use an app

00:46:02.940 when I go run

00:46:03.600 or something

00:46:04.100 and getting that information,

00:46:05.560 it takes the joy

00:46:06.500 out of doing the task.

00:46:08.460 Do you ever find that?

00:46:09.460 Is that just some way

00:46:10.380 my brain is tricking me?

00:46:11.000 No,

00:46:11.200 no,

00:46:11.320 no.

00:46:11.520 I think there's been

00:46:12.120 a lot of pushback

00:46:12.980 and I think

00:46:13.600 there has to be

00:46:15.420 some level of temperance

00:46:16.640 as it relates to that.

00:46:18.060 I mean,

00:46:18.320 I don't run with an app.

00:46:21.000 I don't run with

00:46:22.000 a special watch

00:46:23.080 and so I don't know,

00:46:24.660 unless I'm training

00:46:25.360 for an event.

00:46:25.900 Having said that,

00:46:26.560 I do want to know

00:46:27.260 my miles,

00:46:28.160 my minutes per mile.

00:46:29.200 Right.

00:46:29.920 But otherwise,

00:46:30.960 I don't get involved

00:46:31.940 in that.

00:46:32.400 I do like to listen

00:46:33.960 to music

00:46:34.320 so I find that

00:46:34.900 really helpful

00:46:35.640 or podcast

00:46:36.300 when I'm running.

00:46:38.260 But I think

00:46:39.200 that people can overdo it.

00:46:40.540 There's been pushback

00:46:41.640 with a lot of these things

00:46:43.140 that measure

00:46:43.660 all these parameters

00:46:44.540 that it's way too much,

00:46:45.980 it's information overload.

00:46:47.240 Right.

00:46:47.700 But I will say

00:46:49.040 that knowing your genome

00:46:50.600 once is a good bit

00:46:52.520 of information to have.

00:46:53.680 Okay.

00:46:54.160 Because you can take

00:46:54.660 that information

00:46:55.080 and dump it

00:46:55.740 onto any number of sites

00:46:56.880 and learn some stuff

00:46:58.160 about yourself

00:46:58.700 that's really going

00:46:59.780 to turn out

00:47:00.200 to be helpful.

00:47:00.820 And how can you learn

00:47:02.040 about your genome?

00:47:03.340 23andMe.

00:47:04.200 Okay.

00:47:04.440 You spit in a test.

00:47:05.500 Oh yeah,

00:47:05.820 I did that.

00:47:06.520 So I got it back.

00:47:07.600 You get back your data.

00:47:08.760 Yeah.

00:47:09.280 But that doesn't

00:47:09.900 really helpful.

00:47:10.560 Then you take your data.

00:47:11.840 You drag it

00:47:12.280 onto your desktop.

00:47:13.060 This says Theo's data

00:47:14.620 right here.

00:47:15.560 Then there are

00:47:15.980 any number of sites.

00:47:17.300 Wow.

00:47:17.380 One of them is

00:47:18.020 FoundMyFitness,

00:47:19.320 Rhonda Patrick.

00:47:20.080 She'd be a great guest.

00:47:20.820 Dr. Rhonda Patrick, right?

00:47:22.040 She's been on Rogan

00:47:22.900 a bunch.

00:47:23.520 Yeah, I thought we almost

00:47:24.360 reached out to her

00:47:25.040 one time.

00:47:25.620 You should reach out to her.

00:47:26.300 We will.

00:47:26.600 In fact, I got connected

00:47:27.440 to her this morning.

00:47:29.240 Nice.

00:47:29.780 Only.

00:47:30.280 I mean, so I'll ask her

00:47:31.640 if it's okay to connect

00:47:32.380 with you.

00:47:32.800 She'd be terrific.

00:47:33.600 Yeah, that'd be interesting.

00:47:34.420 But she has a website.

00:47:35.560 You go to her website.

00:47:37.240 You drag the file.

00:47:38.380 You drop it.

00:47:40.560 And her algorithm

00:47:42.420 tells you various things

00:47:44.000 that you need to know

00:47:44.700 about yourself.

00:47:45.180 Wow.

00:47:45.580 How you handle dietary fat.

00:47:48.260 What level of various

00:47:49.320 activities you can engage in.

00:47:51.060 What are your...

00:47:52.200 How do you handle B vitamins?

00:47:53.400 That's fascinating.

00:47:53.980 Yeah.

00:47:54.160 There are a lot of those sites, too.

00:47:55.360 They tell you...

00:47:56.520 It's great to have the data.

00:47:57.600 You know who your ancestors were.

00:47:59.620 You know what percentage

00:48:00.840 of your genome is Neanderthal.

00:48:02.840 How is that helpful?

00:48:03.680 I don't know.

00:48:04.480 Yeah.

00:48:04.840 But beyond that,

00:48:05.940 there's a lot of stuff

00:48:06.560 you should know.

00:48:07.240 That we can use.

00:48:08.100 Yeah.

00:48:08.280 Especially if we can...

00:48:09.000 There's another way.

00:48:09.660 But it's just interesting

00:48:10.460 to know there's another way

00:48:11.040 to use that information

00:48:11.700 because I didn't even know that.

00:48:13.480 I'll help you with it.

00:48:14.320 Okay.

00:48:14.660 Cool.

00:48:14.920 Yeah.

00:48:15.120 No, that'd be awesome.

00:48:17.800 I had a...

00:48:19.080 I just wanted to know

00:48:19.840 a little bit more about...

00:48:20.960 Do you think that people

00:48:21.880 could eventually...

00:48:22.780 I mean, obviously,

00:48:23.340 you know,

00:48:23.480 this is something people

00:48:24.120 always need to discuss

00:48:24.900 with their doctors,

00:48:25.540 but get off of antidepressants.

00:48:27.400 I knew you were going there

00:48:28.080 and I would say

00:48:29.620 that let's make this our goal,

00:48:32.300 you and I,

00:48:33.020 to get you off of medications.

00:48:34.840 We'll work.

00:48:35.840 Give it a year.

00:48:36.720 Okay.

00:48:37.300 All right?

00:48:37.640 How cool would it be

00:48:39.140 for you on your program

00:48:40.140 to say,

00:48:40.480 you know,

00:48:40.760 I've been off whatever it is you...

00:48:42.240 I don't know.

00:48:42.560 Have you told your audience

00:48:43.340 what you're taking?

00:48:43.860 Yeah, I think I don't...

00:48:44.560 Yeah, I just switched

00:48:45.200 to something else vibrate

00:48:46.300 or something.

00:48:47.160 So how cool would that be

00:48:48.680 that you say,

00:48:49.160 I did this, this, and this,

00:48:50.740 and I've been off my antidepressant

00:48:51.840 for X period of time.

00:48:52.940 I'll try.

00:48:53.340 You'll work with your doctor.

00:48:55.020 I am not your doctor.

00:48:55.800 You'll work with your doctor.

00:48:56.880 But we'll talk about

00:48:57.800 some lifestyle issues

00:48:58.740 that may pave the way

00:48:59.940 for letting that happen or not.

00:49:02.280 Wow, dude.

00:49:03.220 That's crazy.

00:49:03.720 Are you in?

00:49:03.800 That's crazy.

00:49:04.800 I guess I'm in.

00:49:05.680 It would be silly for me

00:49:06.380 to say I'm not in.

00:49:07.180 You know, I'm always talking

00:49:07.920 about doing things different

00:49:09.040 and taking some contrary action.

00:49:10.940 So I'm ready to do it.

00:49:11.840 I think maybe that's even

00:49:12.460 why you're, you know,

00:49:13.000 one of the reasons,

00:49:13.920 you know, for me

00:49:14.540 why you're here today.

00:49:16.340 You know, I mean,

00:49:17.300 selfishly.

00:49:18.140 But that'd be awesome.

00:49:18.880 Totally reasonable.

00:49:19.680 You're not the only one

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00:49:21.200 That's a good point.

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00:52:42.840 We had a couple questions, too,

00:52:47.740 from listeners

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00:52:49.020 so let's get to

00:52:49.760 a couple of those.

00:52:51.900 What's up, Theo?

00:52:53.080 Dr. Pearl Mooder.

00:52:54.580 Gang, gang.

00:52:55.300 Gang, gang, bud.

00:52:56.120 Coming at you

00:52:56.680 from an oil rig

00:52:57.740 in Oklahoma.

00:53:01.440 Oh, wow.

00:53:02.120 Yeah.

00:53:03.360 I'm reading the book

00:53:04.300 right now,

00:53:04.740 Grain Brain.

00:53:05.660 Really interesting stuff.

00:53:06.920 Not all the way through it,

00:53:07.800 so I apologize

00:53:09.060 if I say anything wrong.

00:53:11.260 But, you know,

00:53:13.080 then I go on the news

00:53:13.900 or something

00:53:14.280 and I find

00:53:14.980 the Northwestern study

00:53:16.300 about eggs

00:53:17.160 and cholesterol

00:53:17.720 and how it's

00:53:18.720 linked to heart disease.

00:53:21.380 So my question

00:53:22.220 is just kind of

00:53:22.800 how do we sift through

00:53:23.920 what's good knowledge

00:53:27.480 and bad knowledge?

00:53:31.260 How do we kind of

00:53:32.120 get to the bottom of it?

00:53:33.220 But thanks for coming

00:53:34.000 on the show.

00:53:34.480 Thanks for talking about it.

00:53:36.340 Makes a lot of sense.

00:53:37.460 I'm really enjoying the book,

00:53:38.580 so y'all take it easy.

00:53:40.040 Gang, gang.

00:53:40.240 What's his name?

00:53:42.020 Ben.

00:53:42.480 Ben.

00:53:42.760 Ben.

00:53:43.420 So Ben asked a great question.

00:53:44.760 So a study just came out

00:53:45.820 saying that

00:53:46.280 higher levels

00:53:47.240 of cholesterol consumption

00:53:48.660 or egg consumption

00:53:50.260 are linked

00:53:50.840 to all-cause mortality

00:53:52.480 as well as risk

00:53:54.000 for coronary vascular disease.

00:53:56.440 So eggs are bad again?

00:53:57.300 Pardon me?

00:53:57.720 Eggs are bad again?

00:53:58.880 Let me finish

00:54:00.060 because here's my response.

00:54:01.500 There you go.

00:54:02.100 Higher egg

00:54:02.480 and cholesterol consumption

00:54:03.280 hikes heart disease

00:54:04.740 and death risk.

00:54:05.460 I have a half omelet

00:54:05.680 in me right now.

00:54:06.620 Yeah, me too.

00:54:07.520 Okay.

00:54:07.680 And let's talk about that.

00:54:10.100 What does it mean?

00:54:11.680 How did they do the study?

00:54:12.980 They asked people

00:54:14.540 what do you eat,

00:54:16.180 which is notoriously

00:54:18.020 an interesting,

00:54:19.140 maybe not the best way

00:54:20.460 of determining

00:54:21.080 what people are truly eating.

00:54:22.700 People want to answer

00:54:23.380 their questions right.

00:54:24.160 Yeah, they want to lie.

00:54:24.900 And they determined

00:54:25.560 cholesterol consumption

00:54:26.480 based upon their frequency

00:54:28.980 of consuming foods

00:54:30.080 higher in cholesterol.

00:54:31.780 And I think it's a good study.

00:54:33.540 I think it tells us

00:54:34.320 some important information,

00:54:35.200 but it doesn't address quality.

00:54:37.700 The quality of the eggs

00:54:38.760 that people consume

00:54:39.480 is very important.

00:54:40.620 Oh, really?

00:54:40.960 There is no alchemy

00:54:42.180 that happens

00:54:42.940 when chickens eat garbage

00:54:44.740 in a factory

00:54:45.840 and then produce eggs.

00:54:47.360 And if you want to see

00:54:48.880 a simple example of that,

00:54:50.440 go to a farm,

00:54:51.500 a regular farm,

00:54:52.380 get an egg,

00:54:53.360 go to the grocery store

00:54:54.320 and buy an egg,

00:54:54.860 crack them both open

00:54:55.640 and just look at them.

00:54:56.460 Totally different.

00:54:57.100 What do you see?

00:54:57.840 Yeah.

00:54:58.180 One of them is a little bit darker.

00:54:59.820 The yolk is a little bit richer.

00:55:01.320 Richer in carotenoids.

00:55:01.520 Almost has some coloring in it.

00:55:02.740 You bet.

00:55:02.960 And the other one

00:55:03.760 just looks like

00:55:04.340 we could have made it

00:55:05.240 if we had a couple hours.

00:55:06.280 Yeah.

00:55:06.660 There you go.

00:55:07.840 And the same thing

00:55:08.680 deals with meat consumption.

00:55:10.240 I mean,

00:55:10.440 do I believe that

00:55:11.460 in general meat consumption

00:55:12.760 is a health risk?

00:55:14.320 I do.

00:55:15.320 Do I think

00:55:15.880 the China study,

00:55:17.700 Dr. Colin Campbell's book

00:55:19.980 about risk for colon cancer,

00:55:21.660 one of the things you mentioned,

00:55:22.680 increase with meat consumption?

00:55:24.260 You bet I do.

00:55:25.320 I do.

00:55:26.160 But the point is

00:55:27.080 this is asking a person

00:55:28.520 or large groups of people,

00:55:30.260 do you eat meat

00:55:31.220 or do you not eat meat?

00:55:32.820 End of story.

00:55:33.480 You're the one category

00:55:34.320 or the other.

00:55:34.980 It's not asking,

00:55:36.380 do you eat meat

00:55:37.040 that you get at the grocery store

00:55:38.300 that came from a factory

00:55:39.420 where they fed these cattle

00:55:40.980 garbage,

00:55:42.480 genetically modified,

00:55:43.620 sprayed with who knows what,

00:55:44.960 antibiotic treated,

00:55:46.220 on and on,

00:55:47.020 versus do you eat meat

00:55:48.520 that's grass fed

00:55:49.320 from animals

00:55:49.980 that are roaming free

00:55:51.060 and not exposed to toxins?

00:55:52.920 Yeah,

00:55:53.080 because it's traumatic

00:55:53.640 because then you're just getting

00:55:54.960 secondhand inflammation

00:55:56.040 from the meat.

00:55:57.640 100%.

00:55:58.040 You got that

00:55:59.180 when you nailed it on the head.

00:56:00.220 Jesus, man.

00:56:01.320 So that's the point.

00:56:02.640 That's the information.

00:56:03.460 Yeah, how is the cow feeling?

00:56:04.220 They should write that on there

00:56:05.280 on the back of the thing,

00:56:06.400 you know?

00:56:07.020 Lance was doing well,

00:56:08.280 you know,

00:56:08.620 whenever we...

00:56:09.180 Until the day.

00:56:09.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:10.540 But it would be like saying

00:56:11.940 we're going to do a study

00:56:13.000 to determine

00:56:13.640 if alcohol consumption

00:56:14.880 is good or bad

00:56:15.880 for your heart

00:56:16.560 and not determining

00:56:19.200 any difference

00:56:19.820 between whether

00:56:20.420 that alcohol comes from

00:56:21.880 a glass of organic red wine

00:56:24.500 versus some rot gut scotch

00:56:26.780 that you buy

00:56:27.520 at a convenience store.

00:56:29.060 Right.

00:56:29.180 It's all alcohol.

00:56:30.120 No, it's not.

00:56:31.140 It's all meat.

00:56:32.100 No, it's not.

00:56:32.780 I see.

00:56:33.160 So I think it's really important

00:56:34.420 to look at this information.

00:56:35.900 I think it's very valid.

00:56:36.920 I think Ben's question was good.

00:56:38.420 But having said that,

00:56:39.760 we've got to do a science

00:56:42.040 that looks at quality

00:56:43.600 of the foods

00:56:44.260 that people are eating.

00:56:45.600 Okay.

00:56:45.940 Would I say that

00:56:46.820 eating eggs

00:56:47.420 from the grocery store

00:56:48.120 might not be a good choice?

00:56:49.500 Yeah, I would say that.

00:56:50.920 Same thing with the meat.

00:56:52.080 I wouldn't eat that stuff.

00:56:53.760 Wow.

00:56:54.060 And I think to be fair,

00:56:56.320 more vegetarian of a diet

00:56:58.260 is a good choice.

00:56:59.900 We are now at a place

00:57:01.400 of one meal a day

00:57:02.780 being plant-based

00:57:04.520 and moving forward

00:57:05.400 our next book

00:57:05.940 is talking about OMD,

00:57:07.840 one meal a day

00:57:08.520 being plant-based.

00:57:09.460 Wow.

00:57:10.080 And so now when you say

00:57:11.060 so people can switch

00:57:12.040 if they need to

00:57:12.680 from a lot of these

00:57:13.400 because a lot of people

00:57:14.280 you know,

00:57:14.640 we're in regular towns

00:57:15.960 you know,

00:57:16.320 like in my town growing up

00:57:18.000 like I don't know

00:57:18.520 if I was there

00:57:19.100 if I would

00:57:19.540 I mean maybe I would have

00:57:21.180 access to these things.

00:57:22.040 First I would have to

00:57:22.760 seek them out.

00:57:23.700 I could probably get

00:57:24.520 like fresher meat

00:57:25.740 because there's like

00:57:26.300 a lot of venison

00:57:27.000 and that sort of stuff

00:57:27.760 it would just

00:57:28.220 I'd have to call

00:57:29.000 a local distributor

00:57:29.980 and find out

00:57:30.940 what their route is

00:57:32.460 and how they usually

00:57:33.060 go about delivering stuff

00:57:34.560 but you're saying

00:57:35.460 that that's a smarter move

00:57:36.500 to organize

00:57:37.140 something like that

00:57:37.880 than to just be going

00:57:38.620 to the grocery store

00:57:39.280 and get the big hitters.

00:57:39.460 I want to repeat

00:57:40.160 what you just said.

00:57:41.280 Yeah.

00:57:41.760 And it's very important.

00:57:42.700 Your viewers need

00:57:43.740 to hear this

00:57:44.500 and that is

00:57:45.780 you're going to have

00:57:46.380 to seek it out

00:57:47.620 and that is the difference

00:57:49.100 between finding time

00:57:50.420 to do something

00:57:51.160 and making time.

00:57:52.800 It's about priority.

00:57:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.400 So if we're going

00:57:54.900 to prioritize food

00:57:56.320 and we should

00:57:57.220 prioritize exercise

00:57:58.600 and prioritize sleep.

00:57:59.960 Yeah.

00:58:00.820 That's the key to health.

00:58:02.020 That's the key

00:58:02.580 to getting rid of depression.

00:58:03.880 It's the key

00:58:04.540 to reducing our risk

00:58:05.780 for chronic degenerative conditions

00:58:07.420 moving forward.

00:58:09.080 Those things have to move

00:58:10.120 to the top of the list

00:58:11.420 because after all

00:58:12.460 you know

00:58:13.080 if you don't have your health

00:58:13.780 then nothing else matters.

00:58:15.080 Yeah.

00:58:15.480 Yeah.

00:58:15.740 Yeah and we have this

00:58:17.080 there's this feeling

00:58:19.020 these days

00:58:19.480 you're just going to

00:58:20.060 it's hard to know

00:58:21.100 it's hard to feel

00:58:21.920 the long term

00:58:22.680 and the short term.

00:58:23.860 You know what I'm saying?

00:58:24.620 You know

00:58:25.100 in my world

00:58:26.080 where

00:58:26.580 you know

00:58:27.380 a lot of our work

00:58:28.520 deals with Alzheimer's disease

00:58:29.780 we now recognize

00:58:31.420 as we talked about

00:58:32.380 a while ago now

00:58:33.380 that the changes

00:58:34.800 begin in your 20s

00:58:35.840 and 30s

00:58:36.280 and you don't know that

00:58:37.560 until you listen

00:58:38.780 to people

00:58:39.240 who are studying that

00:58:40.800 and who are

00:58:42.080 you know

00:58:42.440 making that information known.

00:58:43.660 I hope this person

00:58:45.140 is not driving right?

00:58:46.060 Well hopefully he is dude

00:58:47.220 he's probably stressed

00:58:49.160 if he is

00:58:49.660 this could be inflammation.

00:58:50.760 No he's in the right seat.

00:58:51.960 His question was related

00:58:52.920 to dementia.

00:58:53.960 Hey what's up Theo?

00:58:55.220 Gang gang.

00:58:55.740 What's up player?

00:58:56.260 Out here in Daytona

00:58:57.640 for spring break

00:58:58.340 but I wanted to get

00:58:59.120 my question in

00:58:59.900 for that guy

00:59:00.600 the brain guy

00:59:02.440 I forgot his name

00:59:04.780 but anyways

00:59:05.380 I went to go see

00:59:07.220 a doctor a while back

00:59:08.200 they said my B12 levels

00:59:09.560 were really really low

00:59:10.460 so low in fact

00:59:12.360 the guy said

00:59:14.320 that it attributed

00:59:15.240 to giving me bad headaches

00:59:16.860 because I get migraines

00:59:17.700 and headaches

00:59:18.100 and he said

00:59:18.540 that if I don't

00:59:19.380 start taking B12

00:59:20.840 and taking them seriously

00:59:22.640 I can have early onset dementia

00:59:24.700 in my 30s.

00:59:28.820 Yeah.

00:59:29.620 Can I ask you a question?

00:59:31.580 Oh no we can't do it.

00:59:32.880 It's not live.

00:59:33.440 Okay.

00:59:33.960 Sorry.

00:59:34.360 I'm sorry Dr. Parma

00:59:34.980 we didn't tell you that.

00:59:35.920 Yeah people submitted

00:59:36.700 these yesterday.

00:59:38.100 Well let's respond to that.

00:59:39.780 A one would wonder

00:59:41.760 why in the heck

00:59:42.780 did his doctor

00:59:44.240 check his B12 level

00:59:45.380 and I would say

00:59:46.640 probably had nothing

00:59:47.680 to do with his headaches

00:59:48.400 it had to do with this

00:59:49.320 I don't mean technical

00:59:50.500 the size of his red blood cells.

00:59:52.360 Okay.

00:59:52.540 The lower your red blood

00:59:53.640 your red cells are

00:59:55.060 the larger

00:59:55.920 I mean

00:59:56.520 the lower your B12 level

00:59:57.940 is higher

00:59:58.380 bigger size

00:59:59.440 your red blood cells are.

01:00:00.560 Because they're stressed out?

01:00:01.960 No.

01:00:02.640 It has to do

01:00:03.060 with their construction

01:00:03.760 but that said

01:00:04.660 he's not alone.

01:00:06.300 There are a lot of people

01:00:07.120 going around

01:00:07.560 with a low B12 level.

01:00:08.960 the brain is desperate

01:00:10.640 for B12.

01:00:12.120 So where do you get B12?

01:00:13.880 Well you get it

01:00:14.480 from organ meats

01:00:15.600 you get it from

01:00:17.180 you can get it

01:00:18.120 from vegetables

01:00:18.580 if the vegetables

01:00:19.260 haven't been washed

01:00:20.060 like organic vegetables

01:00:21.460 that dare I say

01:00:22.660 might have a little

01:00:23.700 dirt on them.

01:00:24.620 Right.

01:00:24.820 So go to these

01:00:25.240 farmers markets

01:00:25.920 and hit these things up

01:00:26.800 make that part of your week

01:00:27.840 if you can.

01:00:28.500 But here's the biggest reason

01:00:29.760 I believe that people

01:00:30.780 have low B12 levels.

01:00:32.360 It's because of

01:00:33.740 the over usage

01:00:34.620 in our society

01:00:35.660 of these acid blocking drugs.

01:00:37.560 So we need stomach acid

01:00:39.640 to activate

01:00:40.780 what's called

01:00:41.500 intrinsic factor.

01:00:42.740 Intrinsic factor

01:00:43.400 helps us bind B12

01:00:44.880 and absorb it.

01:00:46.640 Everybody thinks

01:00:47.600 that they have

01:00:48.400 indigestion

01:00:49.160 they ate some kind

01:00:50.180 of sandwich

01:00:50.640 all day long

01:00:52.180 you see commercials

01:00:52.880 the guy's trying

01:00:53.440 to eat a sausage sandwich

01:00:54.620 and the sandwich

01:00:55.140 turns away from him

01:00:56.020 because they don't

01:00:56.860 get along.

01:00:57.540 Oh I remember

01:00:57.940 when I worked

01:00:58.300 on this farm

01:00:58.700 we would make

01:00:59.140 these like little

01:00:59.960 tum burgers

01:01:00.680 we'd get three of them

01:01:01.480 and stack them

01:01:02.100 and eat them.

01:01:02.380 Don't tell me that.

01:01:03.060 Yeah.

01:01:03.620 Alright so case in point

01:01:04.740 so when you inhibit

01:01:05.480 stomach acid

01:01:06.080 you compromise

01:01:06.960 B12 absorption

01:01:08.440 your B12 level

01:01:09.660 goes down.

01:01:10.600 So his doctor

01:01:11.480 is giving him

01:01:12.440 recommending B12

01:01:13.300 orally

01:01:13.820 I'm not his doctor

01:01:16.420 but if a person

01:01:17.700 had that low

01:01:18.520 a B12 level

01:01:19.220 I don't know

01:01:19.740 how low it was

01:01:21.080 we would definitely

01:01:21.760 start with some injections.

01:01:23.160 Okay.

01:01:23.840 So yeah

01:01:24.140 so that's something

01:01:24.620 you could also

01:01:25.000 possibly do

01:01:25.580 is you know

01:01:25.940 whenever you go

01:01:26.400 back to your doctor

01:01:27.000 talk about

01:01:27.420 also injections

01:01:28.080 make sure you're

01:01:28.940 not taking too much

01:01:29.920 calcium

01:01:31.000 or too many Tums

01:01:31.920 or those type

01:01:32.380 antacids

01:01:32.960 because those

01:01:34.300 will stop the acid

01:01:35.100 which you need

01:01:36.060 to help process

01:01:36.800 the B12.

01:01:37.080 Beyond the

01:01:37.760 you know

01:01:38.020 those

01:01:38.380 the calcium base

01:01:39.340 these

01:01:39.660 other types

01:01:41.480 of acid blockers

01:01:42.380 like what?

01:01:43.000 Well proton pump

01:01:43.800 inhibitors

01:01:44.280 if I may say

01:01:45.280 also drugs like

01:01:46.580 Zantac

01:01:47.680 and Nexium

01:01:48.540 and

01:01:49.080 Pepsid AC

01:01:50.520 these OTCs

01:01:53.520 over the counter drugs

01:01:54.840 which people take

01:01:55.740 everybody thinks

01:01:56.600 because they get

01:01:57.040 an upset stomach

01:01:58.060 after they eat

01:01:58.580 some food

01:01:59.260 they need to

01:01:59.980 pop an antacid.

01:02:02.040 Yeah.

01:02:02.140 Well if you're

01:02:03.240 getting an upset

01:02:03.960 stomach

01:02:04.320 after you eat

01:02:04.900 a food

01:02:05.240 you sure as heck

01:02:06.280 shouldn't be

01:02:06.660 eating that food.

01:02:07.920 There's a mechanism

01:02:08.840 in place that says

01:02:09.720 if you eat food

01:02:10.840 that's not good

01:02:11.640 for you

01:02:11.980 you're going to

01:02:12.460 get an upset

01:02:12.920 stomach

01:02:13.280 you should pay

01:02:13.900 attention to that

01:02:14.620 not try to

01:02:15.480 cover it up

01:02:15.900 by taking

01:02:16.240 an acid

01:02:16.660 blocking drug

01:02:17.440 we need

01:02:18.280 stomach acid

01:02:18.940 that's what

01:02:19.480 activates our

01:02:20.860 ability to

01:02:21.680 absorb B12

01:02:22.600 it activates

01:02:23.540 our digestive

01:02:24.220 enzymes

01:02:24.720 the last thing

01:02:25.300 in the world

01:02:25.600 you want to do

01:02:25.960 is inhibit

01:02:26.320 your stomach

01:02:26.800 acid

01:02:27.160 unless you

01:02:28.420 have

01:02:28.760 something

01:02:29.760 some other

01:02:30.880 issues

01:02:31.260 Zollinger-Ellison

01:02:32.080 syndrome

01:02:32.460 for those

01:02:33.120 tech weenies

01:02:34.100 who want to

01:02:34.660 know about

01:02:35.480 really get in

01:02:36.100 there

01:02:36.220 yeah

01:02:36.320 that sounds

01:02:37.660 like the damn

01:02:38.120 dark arts

01:02:38.760 Zollinger-Ellison

01:02:39.620 Z

01:02:40.400 if that guy

01:02:41.300 shows up

01:02:41.780 dude

01:02:41.900 we're going to

01:02:42.260 probably

01:02:42.700 whoop his ass

01:02:43.920 I'm going to

01:02:44.200 say that

01:02:44.700 sorry to use

01:02:45.980 that kind of

01:02:46.300 terminology

01:02:46.620 I think it was

01:02:47.200 two guys

01:02:47.700 first of all

01:02:48.340 it was a long

01:02:49.560 time ago

01:02:50.100 oh it's

01:02:50.860 two on one

01:02:51.480 dude

01:02:51.660 somebody

01:02:52.040 yeah

01:02:52.460 us three

01:02:53.520 could take

01:02:53.920 them

01:02:54.040 yeah us

01:02:54.480 three could

01:02:54.800 take them

01:02:55.280 do you want

01:02:56.660 to

01:02:56.820 do you have

01:02:57.220 something Nick

01:02:57.620 we got another

01:02:58.840 question

01:02:59.160 okay great

01:02:59.920 hey Theo

01:03:06.940 hey David

01:03:07.460 I was wondering

01:03:08.600 as a neurologist

01:03:10.060 David

01:03:10.400 what's your

01:03:12.200 opinion on

01:03:13.160 treating

01:03:14.700 depression

01:03:15.500 anxiety

01:03:16.640 etc etc

01:03:17.520 with psilocybin

01:03:18.380 that's a terrific

01:03:20.240 question

01:03:20.720 so

01:03:21.080 big question

01:03:21.500 we just lost

01:03:21.900 one of our

01:03:22.280 comedians

01:03:22.760 a couple

01:03:23.280 weeks ago

01:03:23.660 who ended

01:03:24.000 up taking

01:03:24.740 his own

01:03:25.100 life

01:03:25.380 and he

01:03:25.680 hung himself

01:03:26.760 I hate to

01:03:27.500 say that

01:03:27.840 because it

01:03:28.040 almost sounds

01:03:28.520 even grotesque

01:03:29.760 almost saying

01:03:30.360 that

01:03:30.620 because you

01:03:30.940 know it's

01:03:31.240 but he was

01:03:32.440 even according

01:03:33.320 to the guy

01:03:33.660 who dropped

01:03:34.100 him off

01:03:34.480 that evening

01:03:34.980 he was doing

01:03:35.740 as normal

01:03:36.960 as he ever

01:03:37.480 is

01:03:37.780 he'd gotten

01:03:38.220 off some

01:03:38.700 medicine

01:03:39.020 and was getting

01:03:39.500 back on

01:03:40.120 without like

01:03:41.300 talking to his

01:03:41.960 doctor

01:03:42.320 so that's

01:03:43.140 what it seems

01:03:43.900 like people are

01:03:44.400 equating it to

01:03:45.040 some

01:03:45.440 some crevasse

01:03:47.500 in that moment

01:03:48.160 mentally

01:03:48.500 where he

01:03:48.840 just couldn't

01:03:49.380 escape it

01:03:50.220 but anyway

01:03:51.440 back to his

01:03:52.080 question

01:03:52.460 yeah this is

01:03:52.960 very pertinent

01:03:53.580 yeah it's

01:03:54.940 an excellent

01:03:55.280 question

01:03:55.740 we're seeing

01:03:57.360 some

01:03:57.700 dare I say

01:03:58.720 do we want

01:03:59.440 to explain

01:03:59.800 yeah psilocybin

01:04:00.640 like

01:04:00.980 so it's a

01:04:01.920 hallucinogen

01:04:02.400 so

01:04:03.020 right

01:04:03.400 okay yeah

01:04:04.280 but we're

01:04:05.360 seeing

01:04:05.680 with specifically

01:04:06.560 relation to

01:04:07.200 psilocybin

01:04:07.780 some

01:04:08.680 dare I say

01:04:09.680 some very

01:04:10.220 positive response

01:04:11.540 in terms of

01:04:12.960 serious depression

01:04:14.160 and things like

01:04:14.740 PTSD

01:04:15.220 I think

01:04:16.520 we're early

01:04:17.120 in the research

01:04:17.900 though it's

01:04:18.800 been going on

01:04:19.440 a long time

01:04:20.080 right

01:04:20.440 I think the

01:04:21.020 real dedication

01:04:21.700 to the research

01:04:22.520 is in its

01:04:23.400 infancy

01:04:23.920 and I'm all

01:04:25.320 in favor of

01:04:26.120 looking at it

01:04:26.760 further

01:04:27.000 I mean

01:04:27.360 you know

01:04:27.860 this began

01:04:28.480 in the 60s

01:04:29.200 and 70s

01:04:30.000 and in the 90s

01:04:31.460 too dude

01:04:31.800 in Covington

01:04:32.300 Louisiana

01:04:32.760 it began

01:04:33.440 I mean

01:04:34.200 that's where I was

01:04:34.740 it was well on its way

01:04:35.540 it was yeah

01:04:36.040 it was passing through

01:04:37.760 I'll say that

01:04:38.620 is it something

01:04:40.000 that you've ever tried

01:04:40.720 have you ever

01:04:41.020 experimented with

01:04:41.720 psilocybin

01:04:42.160 have I ever

01:04:43.880 tried mushrooms

01:04:44.760 I have

01:04:45.440 yeah

01:04:45.680 and did you find

01:04:47.100 from like

01:04:47.600 in this

01:04:48.540 did you already

01:04:49.420 have your

01:04:49.860 knowledge base

01:04:50.900 so you could

01:04:51.640 kind of examine

01:04:52.260 it like that

01:04:52.780 no I did not

01:04:53.560 I mean

01:04:53.880 my current

01:04:55.360 knowledge base

01:04:56.000 no

01:04:57.020 this was years

01:04:58.360 this was in college

01:04:59.340 so it

01:05:00.740 you know

01:05:01.420 in terms of

01:05:02.260 contextualizing

01:05:03.220 for me

01:05:03.780 I can't say

01:05:04.820 that it did that

01:05:05.720 in terms of

01:05:06.580 you know

01:05:07.460 letting me see

01:05:08.140 the world

01:05:08.460 in a different way

01:05:09.200 I would say

01:05:10.100 it was only

01:05:10.860 it was momentary

01:05:12.060 so that said

01:05:14.360 you know

01:05:15.460 I don't know

01:05:15.960 what the future

01:05:16.380 holds for me

01:05:17.200 but you know

01:05:18.560 when you see

01:05:19.480 books now

01:05:20.320 on the New York

01:05:20.920 Times bestseller list

01:05:21.820 Michael Pollan's book

01:05:23.040 I think that there's

01:05:24.520 a lot of information

01:05:26.040 there that we need

01:05:27.240 to look at

01:05:27.760 because I think

01:05:28.320 there's some value

01:05:29.280 there

01:05:29.560 and I think

01:05:29.880 the rejection

01:05:30.960 of hallucinogens

01:05:31.880 from a therapeutic

01:05:32.780 perspective

01:05:33.400 was done for

01:05:35.320 the wrong reasons

01:05:36.600 you know

01:05:37.740 I think

01:05:38.080 the declaration

01:05:39.140 the war on drugs

01:05:40.100 and how that

01:05:40.520 everything got out of hand

01:05:41.520 during the Nixon era

01:05:43.140 really set back

01:05:45.040 the possibility

01:05:46.140 of this being

01:05:47.560 all drugs

01:05:48.180 became this stigma

01:05:49.100 you bet

01:05:49.680 so I don't take

01:05:51.140 anything off the table

01:05:52.080 that's going to help people

01:05:53.540 especially as it relates

01:05:54.840 to depression

01:05:55.400 you know

01:05:55.820 anywhere between

01:05:57.580 40 to 70%

01:05:59.040 of suicides

01:06:00.100 are in people

01:06:01.680 who have significant

01:06:02.800 issues with depression

01:06:03.900 and let me just

01:06:05.100 make one point

01:06:05.900 that you will work

01:06:07.140 with your doctor

01:06:07.820 moving forward

01:06:08.780 unlike

01:06:09.820 what may have

01:06:10.660 happened

01:06:10.940 to your comedian

01:06:11.760 friend

01:06:12.140 but you know

01:06:13.340 we'll try to

01:06:14.140 maximize those

01:06:15.080 other things

01:06:15.780 to give you support

01:06:17.140 in terms of

01:06:17.720 your lifestyle

01:06:18.320 yeah look

01:06:19.620 I'm excited

01:06:20.100 about trying this

01:06:20.940 I've tried

01:06:21.640 one diet

01:06:24.140 before for a while

01:06:25.100 I can't remember

01:06:25.540 what it was

01:06:25.900 you were doing paleo

01:06:26.440 oh paleo

01:06:27.200 for a while

01:06:27.740 and it was good

01:06:28.520 sometimes I could

01:06:29.100 barely even see

01:06:29.800 though

01:06:30.000 I think one time

01:06:30.680 I didn't eat

01:06:31.120 that might have

01:06:31.940 been fasting

01:06:32.560 you fast for five days

01:06:33.980 I was at a Best Buy

01:06:34.840 I couldn't see

01:06:35.260 but about six feet

01:06:36.180 but um

01:06:37.300 that's really all you need

01:06:38.360 to see at a Best Buy

01:06:39.000 you buy whatever

01:06:40.060 is there six feet

01:06:40.920 in your field of vision

01:06:42.240 that's good enough

01:06:43.140 and go back next year

01:06:44.340 because what you bought

01:06:45.200 is now obsolete

01:06:46.340 actually it is a great way

01:06:48.660 you gotta buy

01:06:49.580 the extended warranty

01:06:50.800 no matter

01:06:51.100 whatever you buy

01:06:52.200 you can buy a USB drive

01:06:53.820 and they're gonna get

01:06:54.260 an extended warranty

01:06:54.880 for 19 years

01:06:55.880 oh I'd have bought

01:06:56.560 12 extended feet

01:06:57.480 of sight

01:06:57.920 if I could have

01:06:58.460 in that joint

01:06:58.960 18 feet

01:07:00.060 who knows

01:07:00.360 what I would have found

01:07:01.120 but it kind of is

01:07:02.000 nice to minimize

01:07:02.660 the store

01:07:03.220 it's kind of nice

01:07:03.680 to minimize the store

01:07:04.680 and make it smaller

01:07:05.360 blue light

01:07:05.780 everywhere

01:07:06.160 very much blue light

01:07:07.080 want to suppress

01:07:07.700 that melatonin

01:07:08.160 so you're dialed in

01:07:09.160 um

01:07:10.060 yeah

01:07:10.900 you know what

01:07:11.420 I'm even noticing

01:07:12.040 even when I go out

01:07:12.800 to like

01:07:13.140 if I'm at a bar

01:07:14.020 or a club

01:07:14.400 there's a lot more

01:07:15.160 people who are out

01:07:16.260 on mushrooms

01:07:17.040 in a

01:07:18.100 like in low doses

01:07:19.580 whereas it used to be

01:07:21.200 people were high

01:07:22.000 or people were drinking

01:07:22.920 it's becoming

01:07:23.900 a more common thing

01:07:25.140 so I'll see a group

01:07:26.040 of friends

01:07:26.720 and you know

01:07:27.320 they're just hanging out

01:07:27.920 and chatting

01:07:28.300 but like

01:07:28.620 oh we took some mushrooms

01:07:29.600 it's becoming more

01:07:30.600 of a

01:07:31.020 I don't even know

01:07:33.020 if it's experimental

01:07:33.660 but almost more managed

01:07:35.540 you know

01:07:35.820 the term microdosing

01:07:36.820 came out about

01:07:37.480 five years ago

01:07:38.360 yeah

01:07:38.660 and then it became

01:07:39.600 more man

01:07:40.120 I feel like people

01:07:40.960 started to see

01:07:41.640 oh this is more manageable

01:07:42.780 and it's maybe being

01:07:43.580 delivered in more

01:07:44.460 manageable supplements

01:07:45.440 so let me then

01:07:46.720 contextualize my statement

01:07:49.000 and I would say

01:07:50.240 that I am

01:07:50.820 my statement

01:07:52.480 should not be generalized

01:07:53.440 to the recreational use

01:07:54.880 right

01:07:55.180 but more in terms

01:07:56.780 of a

01:07:57.440 therapeutic intervention

01:07:59.360 under supervision

01:08:00.480 I think there's

01:08:01.580 a lot of

01:08:02.460 a lot of

01:08:03.400 potential there

01:08:04.080 to really make

01:08:05.380 things happen

01:08:05.940 in a much

01:08:06.680 shorter period of time

01:08:07.640 as opposed to

01:08:08.680 years and years

01:08:09.580 of psychotherapy

01:08:10.460 yeah

01:08:10.780 it has a potential

01:08:11.740 for that

01:08:12.160 right

01:08:12.420 and that was

01:08:13.240 not a commentary

01:08:14.160 on the recreational usage

01:08:15.320 oh no

01:08:15.700 I don't think

01:08:16.080 that anybody

01:08:16.480 I don't think

01:08:17.180 anybody would

01:08:18.120 take it like that

01:08:18.460 but thanks for

01:08:19.180 clarifying that

01:08:20.000 Nick

01:08:20.960 was there anything else

01:08:22.100 I had a question

01:08:23.400 about sugar

01:08:24.460 is there

01:08:25.680 a real difference

01:08:27.280 with your body

01:08:27.880 from natural sugars

01:08:28.980 in

01:08:29.420 fruit

01:08:30.740 to like

01:08:31.200 refined sugars

01:08:32.000 and you're that

01:08:32.860 agave bad boy

01:08:33.840 I read that a little bit

01:08:34.780 that's your jam

01:08:35.480 huh

01:08:35.720 you bet

01:08:36.660 yeah

01:08:37.080 so

01:08:38.880 I'm often asked

01:08:40.760 that question

01:08:41.180 what is

01:08:41.880 you know

01:08:42.800 people say

01:08:43.160 oh I had honey

01:08:44.380 that came from bees

01:08:45.460 that meditated

01:08:46.480 every hour

01:08:47.320 and it's great

01:08:48.400 it's sugar

01:08:50.080 your body

01:08:51.000 reads it

01:08:51.740 as sugar

01:08:52.420 you know

01:08:53.300 I'm from Florida

01:08:54.700 so orange juice

01:08:56.220 is a big thing

01:08:56.880 there right

01:08:57.360 and a 12 ounce

01:08:59.120 glass

01:08:59.560 of orange juice

01:09:00.820 whether it's

01:09:02.000 from Florida

01:09:02.400 or California

01:09:03.340 is

01:09:04.340 nine teaspoons

01:09:05.920 of sugar

01:09:06.540 in a 12 ounce

01:09:07.780 glass

01:09:08.100 of Florida

01:09:08.560 34

01:09:09.640 to 36 grams

01:09:11.520 of carbohydrate

01:09:12.380 in your

01:09:12.840 that's before

01:09:13.580 you've had your

01:09:14.620 croissant

01:09:15.080 or bagel

01:09:16.180 which are

01:09:16.640 fancy names

01:09:17.340 you bet

01:09:18.340 and that's breakfast

01:09:19.300 your blood sugar

01:09:21.500 surges

01:09:22.300 then it crashes

01:09:23.280 and then 10 o'clock

01:09:24.020 in the morning

01:09:24.400 you're in trouble

01:09:25.380 you're back at Best Buy

01:09:26.900 again

01:09:27.200 or Costco

01:09:27.740 and you're trying

01:09:28.760 to be sick

01:09:29.360 in front of you

01:09:29.880 just loitering

01:09:30.640 I know

01:09:31.020 loitering

01:09:31.620 getting picked up

01:09:32.660 and so

01:09:33.600 how is loitering

01:09:34.800 not a disease

01:09:35.460 dude

01:09:35.660 some people

01:09:36.260 are just

01:09:36.720 that's all they do

01:09:37.700 I like loitering

01:09:38.400 loitering's a great thing

01:09:39.280 I got you know

01:09:39.900 just to take in the moment

01:09:41.280 be present

01:09:42.020 be mindful

01:09:42.380 that's a good point

01:09:43.060 actually

01:09:43.560 but that said

01:09:44.580 you know

01:09:44.820 your question is very good

01:09:45.840 about eating fruit

01:09:46.640 and this notion

01:09:47.360 of six to eight

01:09:48.020 servings of fruit a day

01:09:49.200 it's way too much

01:09:50.620 fructose

01:09:51.500 and glucose

01:09:52.820 you gotta go more green

01:09:53.720 you gotta get on the other side

01:09:55.500 you bet

01:09:55.980 and

01:09:56.400 what about fruit juice

01:09:58.140 sorry just to clarify

01:09:58.920 oh that's

01:09:59.440 freshly squeezed

01:10:00.840 look

01:10:01.580 freshly squeezed orange juice

01:10:03.300 has the same amount

01:10:04.900 of sugar

01:10:05.460 as Coca-Cola

01:10:06.740 Jesus

01:10:07.360 what's the mystery here

01:10:08.920 everybody says

01:10:09.260 oh yeah

01:10:09.540 but it's got vitamin C

01:10:10.780 I mean please

01:10:11.740 you're gonna offset

01:10:12.900 nine teaspoons of sugar

01:10:13.900 with the 80 milligrams

01:10:15.740 of vitamin C

01:10:16.620 in terms of being good for you

01:10:17.940 that's

01:10:18.320 that's the trade off

01:10:19.380 I don't think so

01:10:20.100 there's

01:10:20.820 you know

01:10:21.540 have water

01:10:22.100 have carbonated water

01:10:23.060 have fruit flavored water

01:10:24.340 there are lots of them

01:10:25.800 out there right now

01:10:26.520 I just tried a new one

01:10:27.820 and I thought it was great

01:10:28.840 so like for breakfast

01:10:30.240 man I just don't want

01:10:31.040 to not be able to

01:10:31.740 I mean I feel like

01:10:32.520 it's gonna be hard

01:10:33.460 what can I eat then

01:10:35.060 well you might try

01:10:36.980 skipping breakfast

01:10:37.800 really

01:10:38.120 well you might try

01:10:39.280 having your first meal

01:10:40.840 of the day at noon

01:10:41.700 or one o'clock

01:10:42.620 yeah I'm smarter

01:10:43.300 if I skip breakfast

01:10:43.980 I notice my brain works

01:10:44.960 well if you eat

01:10:45.700 let's say you eat

01:10:46.300 at one o'clock

01:10:46.900 that's when you

01:10:48.160 so you had dinner

01:10:49.040 the night before

01:10:49.720 at seven

01:10:50.240 you've gone all that time

01:10:52.300 fasting

01:10:53.100 then you have a meal

01:10:53.860 that's called break fast

01:10:55.480 right

01:10:55.920 you broke your fast

01:10:56.880 at one o'clock

01:10:57.440 in the afternoon

01:10:58.040 right

01:10:58.360 you build up those ketones

01:11:00.000 you're stressing your DNA

01:11:01.840 a little bit

01:11:02.480 a low grade stress

01:11:03.380 we call that hormesis

01:11:04.260 amplifying your longevity genes

01:11:06.780 turning on pathways

01:11:08.080 NRF2 pathway

01:11:09.380 for those who care

01:11:10.260 to increase your antioxidant production

01:11:12.480 increase detoxification

01:11:14.400 decrease inflammation

01:11:16.220 it is the home run

01:11:18.140 wow

01:11:18.460 and who knew

01:11:19.260 I don't know who invented

01:11:20.660 three meals a day

01:11:21.480 but somebody one day said

01:11:22.780 three meals a day

01:11:23.840 that's it

01:11:24.220 if you don't do that

01:11:24.920 probably Bob Evans

01:11:25.920 I don't know if you've ever been to

01:11:26.620 a Bob Evans steakhouse

01:11:27.880 or not

01:11:28.240 or that breakfast joint

01:11:29.340 but he's had at least four

01:11:30.940 I know Bob Evans

01:11:31.800 I bet they wanted to say four

01:11:33.200 and they talked him out

01:11:34.700 if they could

01:11:34.940 they would

01:11:35.480 you know the midnight snack

01:11:36.580 that would be the worst time

01:11:38.540 in the world

01:11:39.300 to

01:11:39.620 and people get up

01:11:40.780 and have a bowl of cereal

01:11:41.900 I had one last night

01:11:42.860 what do you

01:11:43.760 so what do you have

01:11:44.460 in the middle of the night

01:11:44.960 if you have to have something

01:11:46.080 you're hungry

01:11:46.620 you have to have something

01:11:47.600 you can't though

01:11:49.160 you gotta sleep man

01:11:50.120 what if you

01:11:50.480 it's just driving you nuts

01:11:51.880 if I

01:11:52.540 if I ever woke up

01:11:53.620 you had to

01:11:53.640 it's an emergency

01:11:54.180 something aside from pee

01:11:55.620 I'd say

01:11:57.080 I would probably eat

01:11:58.360 half an avocado

01:11:59.320 there you go

01:11:59.940 yeah

01:12:00.320 I like that

01:12:01.840 and maybe fill the little hole

01:12:02.900 after you take the seed out

01:12:03.880 yeah

01:12:04.160 fill the hole with olive oil

01:12:05.700 and then a little sea salt

01:12:06.680 that's my favorite

01:12:07.880 I can eat that

01:12:08.700 and be one and done

01:12:09.620 and

01:12:09.960 dude my dad used to put

01:12:11.020 mayonnaise in avocado

01:12:12.300 oh there you go

01:12:13.580 and he would take the middle out

01:12:13.980 and put mayonnaise in that sucker

01:12:15.140 and eat that thing

01:12:15.940 you mix it up

01:12:16.840 and the next thing you know

01:12:17.500 you're guacamole

01:12:18.480 I didn't even think about that

01:12:19.760 yeah he never mixed it though

01:12:21.080 kind of lazy I think

01:12:22.280 but he would just like

01:12:23.200 put like a thing of mayonnaise in there

01:12:24.820 but he was old though

01:12:26.020 too

01:12:26.160 my dad was 70

01:12:26.840 when I was born

01:12:27.360 he was an old man

01:12:28.080 wow

01:12:28.540 so he had that senior

01:12:29.540 do I get the same genes

01:12:31.160 as I would have

01:12:31.680 if my dad was like 35

01:12:32.900 when I was born

01:12:33.760 well

01:12:34.280 interesting

01:12:34.880 you get the same genetic code

01:12:36.500 but you

01:12:36.900 there are nuances

01:12:37.860 of gene expression

01:12:38.760 that change

01:12:40.140 during a person's life

01:12:41.520 that are passed on

01:12:42.320 in fact you have changes

01:12:44.040 in your gene expression

01:12:44.880 that you've inherited

01:12:45.480 from your grandparents

01:12:46.500 yeah

01:12:46.980 we've recently seen

01:12:48.060 some studies that

01:12:49.000 show significant changes

01:12:50.940 in the offspring

01:12:52.040 of male mice

01:12:54.180 who've been exposed

01:12:55.020 to nicotine

01:12:55.880 Jesus Christ

01:12:56.940 yeah

01:12:57.320 so

01:12:57.720 you know

01:12:58.780 how we live our lives

01:12:59.540 not only how we treat our kids

01:13:01.860 but they inherit

01:13:02.680 a lot of stuff from us

01:13:03.780 if they'll smoke

01:13:04.840 they'll poke

01:13:05.480 that's what I used to hear

01:13:06.280 but if you're trying

01:13:07.100 to meet girls

01:13:07.640 if they were

01:13:07.980 like if you're trying

01:13:08.820 to pick up girls

01:13:09.440 at a bar or something

01:13:10.240 it's like oh the smoke

01:13:11.340 the girls that are smoking

01:13:12.240 are usually down

01:13:13.000 for some type of intercourse

01:13:14.040 but that's just an old

01:13:15.440 apparently it pertains

01:13:16.780 to mice too

01:13:17.520 what else do we want to ask

01:13:20.720 Nick do you have anything else

01:13:21.480 I don't have

01:13:21.980 let me just say

01:13:22.720 don't necessarily

01:13:23.560 have a response for that

01:13:24.680 but I'm noodling it right now

01:13:25.840 gluten free noodle

01:13:26.580 in my mind

01:13:27.120 were you saying

01:13:27.960 the mice with nicotine

01:13:28.820 had extra babies

01:13:29.660 is that what you said

01:13:30.340 no

01:13:31.940 what I said was that

01:13:33.340 there were changes

01:13:34.540 in DNA expression

01:13:35.780 when mice were treated

01:13:37.240 with nicotine

01:13:37.800 that were passed on

01:13:38.680 not only to their offspring

01:13:40.080 but to their offspring's offspring

01:13:42.080 oh wow

01:13:42.900 so your lifestyle choices

01:13:44.200 are going to impact

01:13:45.060 not only your kids

01:13:45.920 but your grandkids

01:13:46.780 Jesus

01:13:47.260 I want to apologize

01:13:48.420 to my grandkids right now

01:13:49.540 for anything that I've done

01:13:50.500 yeah

01:13:50.860 it really is

01:13:51.900 gee that's what we should leave

01:13:53.140 the will should also

01:13:54.380 have a huge disclaimer

01:13:55.700 in it you know

01:13:56.560 and by the way

01:13:57.300 here's the poor choices

01:13:58.540 I made

01:13:58.880 here's the money

01:13:59.780 for your rehab

01:14:00.620 like a Scarfax

01:14:02.400 here's all the poor choices

01:14:03.580 that I made

01:14:04.020 Scarfax

01:14:04.520 I like that

01:14:05.100 I'm going to get the URL

01:14:06.080 for that

01:14:06.500 there we go

01:14:07.440 somebody probably

01:14:08.100 already took that one

01:14:08.620 they probably did

01:14:09.400 somebody probably just took it

01:14:10.580 somebody's probably

01:14:11.000 I have one more question

01:14:13.360 there's one more

01:14:14.120 video question

01:14:14.940 I think we should get to

01:14:15.700 great

01:14:16.040 you mentioned like

01:14:17.320 the six to eight servings

01:14:18.500 of fruit

01:14:19.240 and I'm wondering

01:14:20.160 with like the food pyramid

01:14:21.540 some is that like

01:14:23.440 some people have like

01:14:24.600 a theory

01:14:25.180 it's more nefarious

01:14:26.160 where it's like

01:14:26.700 all lobbies did that

01:14:28.100 they fought to get their

01:14:29.240 food in there

01:14:30.220 so it's that

01:14:31.180 it's not just bad science

01:14:32.520 that we've learned

01:14:33.400 well it's bad science

01:14:34.820 with all due respect

01:14:35.740 that was put out

01:14:36.920 by industry

01:14:38.640 and so what we learned

01:14:39.740 published in the journal

01:14:40.520 the American Medical Association

01:14:41.660 in the late 60s

01:14:43.620 and recently

01:14:44.400 recapitulated

01:14:45.340 in the New York Times

01:14:46.600 front page

01:14:47.320 was this incredibly

01:14:49.020 powerful influence

01:14:50.260 that the sugar industry

01:14:51.460 had

01:14:52.000 over

01:14:52.880 what doctors

01:14:54.280 would publish

01:14:54.980 in medical journals

01:14:56.240 saying

01:14:57.000 that's where all the bad

01:14:57.880 the idea that fat

01:14:58.720 was bad came from

01:14:59.580 they wanted to

01:15:00.640 castigate fat

01:15:01.580 so that you would have

01:15:02.440 to fill in your calories

01:15:03.320 from sugar

01:15:04.220 and carbs

01:15:05.000 and they manipulated

01:15:06.520 the scientific data

01:15:07.780 so the doctors

01:15:08.980 bought into this

01:15:09.660 heck it was published

01:15:10.940 in the New England

01:15:11.480 Journal of Medicine

01:15:12.380 meanwhile we've now

01:15:13.960 learned that in the

01:15:14.760 late 60s

01:15:15.400 early 70s

01:15:16.120 those well respected

01:15:17.980 researchers

01:15:19.020 were paid off

01:15:19.940 and that killed

01:15:21.780 hundreds of thousands

01:15:23.320 if not millions

01:15:24.180 of people globally

01:15:25.300 because when America

01:15:26.960 adopted this fat phobia

01:15:29.220 yeah I remember that

01:15:30.120 and around the world

01:15:30.980 everyone wanted to be

01:15:31.860 like Americans

01:15:32.540 yeah

01:15:32.980 and they dropped

01:15:34.580 their dietary fat

01:15:35.500 but not everybody

01:15:36.680 I mean we saw places

01:15:37.760 for example

01:15:38.340 like France

01:15:39.560 where they continue

01:15:40.360 to eat butter

01:15:40.940 they use a lot

01:15:41.700 of olive oil

01:15:42.400 and their rates

01:15:43.400 of cardiovascular disease

01:15:44.520 are lower

01:15:45.180 rates of cancer

01:15:46.000 are lower

01:15:46.600 and to this day

01:15:47.660 it remains that way

01:15:48.480 the people

01:15:48.900 in various places

01:15:50.220 like Europe

01:15:50.860 Italy as well

01:15:51.800 eat a lot of fat

01:15:53.380 you know the Mediterranean

01:15:54.440 diet that everybody

01:15:55.080 has gotten a lot

01:15:55.380 that's what I hear

01:15:55.680 about a lot

01:15:56.220 so great

01:15:56.960 it's a diet

01:15:57.600 that's high fat

01:15:58.380 you put olive oil

01:15:59.820 on everything

01:16:00.540 I love that

01:16:00.980 we travel with olive oil

01:16:03.180 wow

01:16:03.500 and I eat about

01:16:04.740 a liter a week

01:16:05.920 myself

01:16:06.500 of olive oil

01:16:07.460 Jesus

01:16:07.840 and the reason

01:16:08.520 we travel with

01:16:09.220 is because

01:16:09.440 when you go to a restaurant

01:16:10.400 most of the time

01:16:11.600 it's

01:16:11.840 you say

01:16:12.400 can you bring me

01:16:12.960 some olive oil

01:16:13.560 it isn't

01:16:14.280 yeah

01:16:14.520 it's canola

01:16:15.200 yeah they give you

01:16:15.900 canola

01:16:16.320 isn't that the weirdest

01:16:17.100 you think I'm gonna

01:16:17.880 put this in my salad

01:16:18.800 if it's 51% olive oil

01:16:20.500 they're allowed to say

01:16:21.240 it's olive oil

01:16:21.860 wow

01:16:22.200 like if it's 51%

01:16:24.440 whole grain

01:16:24.960 they're allowed to say

01:16:25.600 this is whole grain

01:16:26.520 cereal

01:16:27.360 whole grain pasta

01:16:28.060 whole grain bread

01:16:28.820 do you see those things

01:16:30.340 starting to change

01:16:30.900 like are we going to

01:16:32.460 because I feel

01:16:32.960 as much as

01:16:33.900 it's so funny

01:16:34.800 half the day

01:16:35.380 I'll feel like

01:16:36.040 man we're all fucked

01:16:37.700 we're all addicted

01:16:38.340 to all these foods

01:16:39.140 and all these things

01:16:39.940 and society's fucked

01:16:41.000 then the other half

01:16:41.920 of the day

01:16:42.300 I will think

01:16:42.860 you know what

01:16:43.300 there's such a rebirth

01:16:44.160 of people learning

01:16:45.020 right now

01:16:45.620 through long form

01:16:46.680 entertainment

01:16:47.140 like podcasting

01:16:48.220 instead of just

01:16:49.120 short form quips

01:16:50.040 that are advertiser

01:16:51.060 supported

01:16:51.560 like on larger networks

01:16:52.800 right

01:16:53.100 that we're in

01:16:54.360 an age of enlightenment

01:16:55.660 kind of where

01:16:56.420 if you want to be

01:16:57.700 enlightened

01:16:58.080 and you want to learn

01:16:59.120 you still have to

01:16:59.660 take action

01:17:00.420 physically

01:17:01.120 but if you want to

01:17:02.300 that it's there

01:17:03.740 so it's like

01:17:04.300 it's so crazy

01:17:05.300 half the day

01:17:05.860 I feel one way

01:17:06.420 and half the day

01:17:06.900 I feel the other

01:17:08.080 but isn't it wild

01:17:10.240 that like

01:17:11.700 it's legal

01:17:12.780 to have so many

01:17:13.940 other things

01:17:14.600 that are so addictive

01:17:15.680 but they're not

01:17:17.240 really branded

01:17:17.960 that way

01:17:18.680 well

01:17:19.820 you know

01:17:20.640 I choose to

01:17:22.740 you know what

01:17:23.860 I'm saying though

01:17:24.360 oh I absolutely do

01:17:25.360 and I don't like

01:17:27.240 what I see around me

01:17:28.100 that's for sure

01:17:28.800 but you know

01:17:30.100 I think it's better

01:17:31.160 for me

01:17:31.940 to light the single candle

01:17:33.480 as opposed to

01:17:34.260 cursing the darkness

01:17:35.000 I mean

01:17:35.340 truthfully

01:17:36.300 you read Grain Brain

01:17:37.300 there's a lot of

01:17:38.220 cursing of the darkness

01:17:38.980 that goes in there

01:17:39.680 because I don't like

01:17:40.600 what people do

01:17:41.500 to manipulate you

01:17:42.520 right

01:17:42.880 and it's unfair

01:17:45.140 and making things

01:17:46.600 addictive

01:17:47.120 that you would never

01:17:48.400 have suspected

01:17:49.200 yeah

01:17:49.500 online gambling

01:17:50.720 you know

01:17:51.760 all these things

01:17:52.380 oh yeah

01:17:52.420 I was at a casino

01:17:52.920 this weekend

01:17:53.300 and when I'm in there

01:17:53.840 it's when I thought

01:17:54.320 about it

01:17:54.580 I was like

01:17:54.820 I can't believe

01:17:56.300 I mean

01:17:56.740 the casino must have

01:17:57.600 made 15 million dollars

01:17:58.740 this weekend

01:17:59.040 the one I was at

01:17:59.640 and I was like

01:17:59.920 I just can't believe

01:18:00.560 that this is legal

01:18:01.460 because

01:18:01.940 even though it's fun

01:18:03.920 for a little bit

01:18:04.760 and I get how

01:18:05.880 the dopamine hits

01:18:07.080 and stuff

01:18:07.620 and it would seem

01:18:09.380 like it just is not

01:18:10.760 good for people

01:18:11.960 overall

01:18:12.520 it isn't

01:18:13.380 and it keeps them

01:18:14.640 locked in

01:18:15.300 where we start

01:18:16.020 our conversation today

01:18:17.040 keeps them locked

01:18:18.440 into their reptilian

01:18:19.580 amygdala brain

01:18:20.760 of impulsivity

01:18:22.320 and not thinking

01:18:23.980 of consequences

01:18:25.180 people can be addicted

01:18:26.760 to online shopping

01:18:27.720 you know people like that

01:18:28.700 oh pornography

01:18:29.180 I mean I'm about

01:18:29.920 95 days off

01:18:30.820 of pornography

01:18:31.660 well think about that

01:18:32.760 that appeals to you

01:18:34.220 instantaneously

01:18:35.140 and there's

01:18:36.200 then there's a click

01:18:37.280 just like to go on Amazon

01:18:39.020 and buy something

01:18:39.640 instantly

01:18:40.120 a drink

01:18:41.680 and here you are

01:18:43.260 you haven't slept

01:18:43.880 you've traveled

01:18:44.420 and you see

01:18:45.500 Dunkin Donuts

01:18:46.380 it's playing upon

01:18:47.780 your susceptibility

01:18:49.120 you are so vulnerable

01:18:50.640 at that moment

01:18:51.500 and bingo

01:18:52.380 there they are

01:18:52.940 and I know

01:18:53.800 I shouldn't be eating

01:18:54.400 this crap

01:18:54.900 but I do

01:18:55.520 because it's there

01:18:56.860 and the lights

01:18:57.540 and everything

01:18:58.400 and so

01:18:58.920 it's the dark arts

01:19:00.840 that's what we call

01:19:01.640 the dark arts

01:19:02.320 and we always have

01:19:03.400 is where you are

01:19:04.500 being manipulated

01:19:05.620 into doing something

01:19:07.020 you don't really

01:19:07.560 want to do

01:19:08.180 you know

01:19:08.600 or really

01:19:09.060 you know

01:19:09.780 excess

01:19:10.440 you know

01:19:11.000 that sort of thing

01:19:11.780 well Theo

01:19:12.140 half the battle

01:19:13.060 is calling it out

01:19:15.380 and so that

01:19:16.280 that's what our new book's about

01:19:17.260 is calling it out

01:19:18.260 so you can look

01:19:19.960 suddenly realize

01:19:21.180 these people

01:19:22.280 are taking advantage of me

01:19:23.500 they are manipulating me

01:19:25.100 they are manipulating

01:19:25.860 my eyeballs

01:19:26.640 and my bank account

01:19:28.000 for their advantage

01:19:29.980 not for you

01:19:30.940 though it's guised

01:19:32.540 as looking like

01:19:33.540 it's good for you

01:19:34.380 it'll help you

01:19:35.640 whatever

01:19:36.480 fill in the blank

01:19:37.220 and that's what I want

01:19:38.600 I want to lose weight

01:19:40.060 I want to have

01:19:40.660 a more expensive car

01:19:41.640 I want a blank

01:19:42.460 they'll help you

01:19:43.600 with clickbait

01:19:44.220 it's done

01:19:44.800 but in reality

01:19:46.100 it has nothing to do with you

01:19:47.380 it's all about them

01:19:48.400 and their bottom line

01:19:49.700 and our mission

01:19:51.440 is to call it out

01:19:53.040 because as soon as

01:19:53.660 you recognize it

01:19:54.520 then you

01:19:55.360 you have a different experience

01:19:56.300 with it

01:19:56.580 you bet

01:19:56.860 then suddenly you say

01:19:58.120 hey

01:19:58.580 I'm not giving in to this

01:20:00.240 who's in charge

01:20:01.280 is my reptilian brain

01:20:03.140 in charge

01:20:03.560 saying I'm going to do it

01:20:04.700 what the heck

01:20:05.080 I have no control

01:20:05.940 or

01:20:06.720 did Theo finally say

01:20:08.380 uh uh

01:20:08.820 not this time

01:20:09.800 I'm going to make

01:20:10.540 the right decision

01:20:11.240 yeah because

01:20:11.820 it's so funny

01:20:12.280 I like Fruity Pebbles

01:20:13.340 I haven't eaten them

01:20:14.360 in years

01:20:14.720 right

01:20:14.900 but I like them

01:20:15.620 but

01:20:16.460 what I like

01:20:18.040 even more

01:20:18.720 is not getting

01:20:19.380 fucked over

01:20:20.000 by somebody

01:20:20.640 so once I know

01:20:22.560 then it's like

01:20:23.800 okay I would eat these

01:20:25.000 but

01:20:25.420 even more so

01:20:26.920 I hate somebody

01:20:27.860 tricking me

01:20:28.440 or taking advantage

01:20:29.200 and now that

01:20:29.880 you're aware of that

01:20:30.860 you can make a change

01:20:31.840 right

01:20:32.160 let me

01:20:32.480 you bring up

01:20:33.080 an interesting point

01:20:33.920 and that is

01:20:34.880 Fruity Pebbles

01:20:35.500 or anything else

01:20:37.520 that's sweet

01:20:38.240 yeah

01:20:38.640 we love sweet

01:20:39.660 do I love sweet

01:20:40.720 sitting here

01:20:41.220 talking to you

01:20:41.800 heck yeah

01:20:42.960 would I love

01:20:43.640 to eat sweet foods

01:20:44.560 why

01:20:44.980 because my brain

01:20:46.440 and your brain

01:20:47.120 and everybody else

01:20:47.900 on the planet's brain

01:20:48.920 is wired

01:20:49.700 to like sweet

01:20:51.380 because sweet

01:20:52.440 told our ancestors

01:20:53.580 two things

01:20:54.340 it told us

01:20:55.280 that the food

01:20:55.960 was safe

01:20:56.720 and that the food

01:20:58.180 was ripe

01:20:58.800 and had the most

01:20:59.520 nutrients

01:21:00.220 it also told us

01:21:02.180 that there's three things

01:21:03.320 that winter is coming

01:21:04.780 when does fruit

01:21:05.700 generally ripen

01:21:06.580 you know

01:21:07.200 wild fruit

01:21:07.780 wild blueberries

01:21:08.560 end of the summer

01:21:09.680 early fall

01:21:10.420 eat sugar

01:21:11.600 what does that do

01:21:12.680 insulin rises

01:21:13.800 what does that do

01:21:14.640 body fat

01:21:15.700 what does that do

01:21:16.400 lets you survive

01:21:17.260 in the winter time

01:21:18.380 where you don't have food

01:21:19.160 so our sweet tooth

01:21:20.580 led to our ability

01:21:21.900 to survive

01:21:22.800 now that same mechanism

01:21:24.620 is being exploited

01:21:26.420 by every

01:21:27.700 Dunkin Donuts

01:21:28.720 every

01:21:29.100 by everybody

01:21:30.040 that wants you

01:21:30.580 to eat their

01:21:31.040 Fruity Pebbles

01:21:31.600 whatever it is

01:21:32.780 they're appealing

01:21:33.220 to your sweet tooth

01:21:33.900 that's a dopamine hit

01:21:35.520 that most people

01:21:36.380 can't turn away from

01:21:37.360 who knew

01:21:39.260 but you know now

01:21:40.420 that's the point

01:21:41.160 I know I know

01:21:42.060 but I just

01:21:42.680 I wish I didn't know

01:21:44.660 no

01:21:45.960 knowledge is key

01:21:47.160 you know

01:21:47.560 no it is key

01:21:48.260 it is key

01:21:48.740 even though

01:21:49.020 I don't want it to be

01:21:50.140 it's like

01:21:50.520 at a certain point

01:21:51.300 in my life

01:21:51.620 I just have to make

01:21:52.280 some choices

01:21:52.840 that it's like

01:21:53.460 you know

01:21:54.000 I want to be able

01:21:54.840 to live longer

01:21:55.660 so that I can

01:21:56.560 you know

01:21:57.180 not only experience life

01:21:58.600 but also like

01:21:59.920 be a part of

01:22:00.780 good stuff

01:22:02.020 and like

01:22:02.520 and learn more

01:22:03.840 and like

01:22:04.280 and this is it

01:22:05.040 it's like

01:22:05.340 I'm starting to see

01:22:06.120 you know

01:22:06.380 friends

01:22:06.700 I see friends

01:22:07.520 you know

01:22:08.340 I had a high school reunion

01:22:09.340 a couple years ago

01:22:10.060 and I was like

01:22:10.520 damn

01:22:10.900 this dude's almost dead

01:22:12.260 you know

01:22:12.840 little Daniel's almost dead

01:22:14.740 that dude looks 65 years old

01:22:16.600 you know

01:22:16.860 he's over there

01:22:17.320 eating paydays

01:22:18.140 and chilling out

01:22:18.960 you know

01:22:19.340 I'm like

01:22:19.620 you gotta tighten up

01:22:20.860 Keith Barsi

01:22:21.720 here's what

01:22:23.620 Neko

01:22:24.000 here's what

01:22:25.020 those are good

01:22:25.820 here's the good thing

01:22:28.320 that's going on here

01:22:29.160 is

01:22:29.560 here's a guy

01:22:30.480 who

01:22:32.060 you

01:22:32.980 who

01:22:33.860 you're learning about life

01:22:35.100 and you do the very best

01:22:36.620 that you can

01:22:37.360 right

01:22:37.700 you're talking to people

01:22:38.840 you're learning

01:22:39.760 but well beyond

01:22:40.900 this being just about you

01:22:42.960 you're sharing this

01:22:44.120 with the hundreds

01:22:45.020 of thousands of people

01:22:46.300 who are also having issues

01:22:48.360 trying to understand

01:22:49.300 what in the heck

01:22:50.100 it's all about

01:22:50.840 and empowering them

01:22:52.920 with this knowledge

01:22:53.960 then to make better decisions

01:22:55.580 you know

01:22:56.320 the word doctor

01:22:56.960 doesn't mean healer

01:22:57.820 it means teacher

01:22:58.560 right

01:22:58.980 it means giving out information

01:23:00.180 so you're doing

01:23:01.740 a heck of a thing here

01:23:02.740 you really are

01:23:03.480 you're helping a lot of people

01:23:04.780 well thanks man

01:23:05.640 that's nice of you to say

01:23:06.500 yeah we do a lot of stuff

01:23:07.480 I mean

01:23:07.720 and our listeners

01:23:08.700 do a lot of stuff

01:23:09.340 I mean they call in

01:23:10.020 with real questions

01:23:10.800 you know

01:23:11.120 they're concerned

01:23:11.760 they you know

01:23:12.800 I mean I think

01:23:13.860 we are in this age

01:23:14.780 I think I see it a lot

01:23:15.820 through our podcast

01:23:16.500 of people wanting to

01:23:19.400 you know

01:23:20.700 they don't want to be

01:23:21.260 a victim anymore

01:23:22.120 of you know

01:23:23.880 corporations

01:23:24.620 and of advertising

01:23:25.980 and just starting to realize

01:23:27.520 you know

01:23:28.280 I think some of that

01:23:29.060 is starting to come to an end

01:23:30.060 in some ways

01:23:30.760 yeah

01:23:31.000 and you know

01:23:31.560 Theo what it does

01:23:32.500 is it isolates people

01:23:34.300 ultimately

01:23:34.780 they become

01:23:36.260 just ends of one

01:23:37.940 walking around

01:23:38.660 on their own

01:23:39.340 isolated

01:23:39.900 locked into their

01:23:40.860 smartphone

01:23:41.660 and not interacting

01:23:42.840 yeah

01:23:43.340 and we need everybody

01:23:45.080 we need you

01:23:45.840 yeah

01:23:46.180 we need everybody

01:23:47.180 to reconnect

01:23:47.940 to each other

01:23:48.820 so we're actually

01:23:50.520 in the process

01:23:51.260 of putting together

01:23:53.620 a website called

01:23:54.320 reconnectglobal.com

01:23:56.360 where we're going

01:23:57.760 to have essays

01:23:58.400 from people

01:23:58.940 who talk about this

01:23:59.820 how we can reconnect

01:24:01.040 to our gut bacteria

01:24:01.980 how we can reconnect

01:24:02.840 to the signaling

01:24:03.580 of our genome

01:24:04.280 how we can reconnect

01:24:05.680 to the prefrontal cortex

01:24:06.680 and become more empathetic

01:24:08.460 how I can reconnect

01:24:09.280 to people around me

01:24:10.400 to my neighbors

01:24:12.320 to my community

01:24:13.140 to other countries

01:24:14.360 though they may be

01:24:15.320 different from us

01:24:16.240 yeah

01:24:16.480 that's cool

01:24:17.360 how we can connect

01:24:18.480 to the planet

01:24:19.060 yeah

01:24:19.540 to just have some

01:24:20.140 understanding

01:24:20.700 to want to be healthy

01:24:21.720 to operate at our fullest

01:24:22.740 because I believe

01:24:23.500 that yeah

01:24:24.280 at our core

01:24:24.900 we are yeah

01:24:25.860 very good

01:24:26.520 we have to embrace

01:24:27.620 diversity

01:24:28.240 yeah

01:24:28.640 you know

01:24:28.900 we talk about

01:24:29.640 of course

01:24:29.960 of the gut bacteria

01:24:30.680 the more diverse

01:24:31.580 your gut bacteria

01:24:32.320 the more resilient

01:24:33.860 your body is

01:24:34.800 to dealing with

01:24:35.620 the onslaught of stress

01:24:36.960 of our modern world

01:24:37.960 but the more diverse

01:24:39.620 our culture is

01:24:40.660 same thing

01:24:41.540 the more diverse

01:24:42.800 you know

01:24:43.160 we are as a

01:24:44.060 as people

01:24:44.880 the more

01:24:45.720 we are able

01:24:46.320 to handle

01:24:46.960 adversity

01:24:47.660 you know

01:24:48.440 I had an interesting

01:24:49.180 discussion

01:24:49.560 that's interesting

01:24:49.960 yeah

01:24:50.180 I had this discussion

01:24:50.940 with a guy

01:24:52.420 who is involved

01:24:53.040 in Amazon

01:24:53.840 restoration

01:24:55.380 and preserving

01:24:56.340 the diversity

01:24:57.020 of the flora

01:24:57.700 and fauna

01:24:58.260 in the Amazon

01:24:59.800 and we realized

01:25:00.660 we are saying

01:25:01.140 the same thing

01:25:01.700 he is saying

01:25:01.980 we have to preserve

01:25:03.180 the plants and animals

01:25:04.000 because diversity

01:25:04.700 is what is going

01:25:05.180 to keep the Amazon

01:25:05.980 alive

01:25:07.380 and I said

01:25:08.440 same thing

01:25:09.340 with our microbiome

01:25:10.300 that we have to have

01:25:11.220 diversity of bacteria

01:25:12.280 to keep us healthy

01:25:13.140 and we have to have

01:25:14.660 diversity of humans

01:25:15.920 so that we can

01:25:16.840 be resilient

01:25:17.860 and survive

01:25:18.840 I see a lot of people

01:25:19.880 you know

01:25:20.500 doing sex

01:25:21.340 everywhere I go

01:25:22.080 people are

01:25:22.700 you know

01:25:23.200 I don't even know

01:25:23.740 what color people

01:25:24.420 are anymore

01:25:24.940 you know

01:25:25.320 so it seems like

01:25:26.140 there's definitely

01:25:26.860 some good bit of diversity

01:25:27.980 the more I go around

01:25:28.940 America

01:25:30.540 yeah

01:25:30.860 and I think

01:25:31.700 yeah

01:25:32.640 like I come from

01:25:33.400 a culture

01:25:33.800 where you know

01:25:34.280 like my area

01:25:35.280 was just kind of

01:25:35.880 black and white

01:25:36.620 and times were

01:25:37.120 a little different then

01:25:37.920 but now when I go

01:25:38.700 back home

01:25:39.080 I feel like

01:25:39.640 it's a lot

01:25:40.000 different vibe

01:25:40.700 and you know

01:25:41.560 I feel like

01:25:41.980 most of America

01:25:42.660 gets along pretty well

01:25:43.720 it seems like

01:25:44.140 I think

01:25:44.420 they politicize

01:25:45.900 that it's not

01:25:46.600 a lot of places

01:25:47.340 and they amplify that

01:25:48.720 to me it seems like

01:25:49.720 on the news

01:25:50.320 but most of the places

01:25:51.480 I go

01:25:52.160 it doesn't say

01:25:53.600 it's not really

01:25:54.640 the reality

01:25:55.240 that I see

01:25:55.860 and feel

01:25:56.460 you know

01:25:56.960 well we are

01:25:57.640 programmed

01:25:58.660 hardwired

01:25:59.780 to really make

01:26:02.520 a decision

01:26:03.020 when we see

01:26:03.780 somebody's eyes

01:26:04.560 for the first time

01:26:05.400 or their face

01:26:06.000 for the first time

01:26:06.800 the instantaneous

01:26:08.000 decision is

01:26:09.300 friend or foe

01:26:10.140 right

01:26:11.040 instantaneously

01:26:13.300 friend or foe

01:26:13.980 and we have

01:26:14.460 these then

01:26:15.120 we color

01:26:16.260 that decision

01:26:17.680 based upon

01:26:18.500 our life experiences

01:26:19.680 is that person

01:26:20.780 friend or foe

01:26:21.460 and I had an

01:26:22.360 interesting experience

01:26:23.120 that I came off

01:26:24.000 a plane

01:26:24.440 Dallas Texas

01:26:25.800 and went down

01:26:27.140 the escalator

01:26:27.760 and there was

01:26:28.580 a woman

01:26:29.520 wearing a burka

01:26:30.920 and it was

01:26:32.320 right after

01:26:32.860 a terrorist

01:26:33.520 thing had happened

01:26:35.040 and you know

01:26:36.480 as we all do

01:26:37.140 friend or foe

01:26:37.880 and my mind

01:26:39.620 said foe

01:26:40.480 you know

01:26:41.480 step back

01:26:42.100 this person

01:26:42.720 and I realized

01:26:43.980 that that's an

01:26:44.740 impulse from

01:26:45.540 my amygdala

01:26:46.400 it's an

01:26:47.080 instantaneous

01:26:47.540 impulse

01:26:48.060 I am absolutely

01:26:49.840 going to

01:26:50.540 override that

01:26:51.420 impulse

01:26:51.820 and recognize

01:26:53.400 it for what

01:26:54.140 it was

01:26:54.700 and do my

01:26:55.220 very best

01:26:55.780 to override

01:26:56.720 that

01:26:57.140 and speak

01:26:58.180 to people

01:26:58.820 and it's the same

01:26:59.500 thing yeah

01:26:59.860 like you're saying

01:27:00.340 it's diversity

01:27:00.860 it's like

01:27:01.460 same thing

01:27:02.160 with making

01:27:02.720 the choices

01:27:03.080 that we put

01:27:03.440 in our stomach

01:27:03.920 it's making

01:27:04.300 the choices

01:27:04.720 that we see

01:27:05.200 in front of us

01:27:05.620 just taking a

01:27:06.160 moment

01:27:06.440 and trust

01:27:08.480 in our instinct

01:27:09.180 when we prejudge

01:27:10.740 that's the definition

01:27:11.580 of prejudice

01:27:12.680 it's where it comes

01:27:13.340 from

01:27:13.640 and we prejudge

01:27:14.920 based upon

01:27:15.460 these engrams

01:27:16.380 that are built

01:27:16.760 up in our minds

01:27:17.900 from early life

01:27:19.780 experiences

01:27:20.340 that you know

01:27:20.940 to a significant

01:27:21.600 rare place

01:27:22.300 there by our

01:27:23.520 parents

01:27:23.940 and what they

01:27:24.500 thought

01:27:24.840 you know

01:27:25.420 what their

01:27:25.760 world was like

01:27:26.540 right

01:27:26.780 and when I

01:27:27.580 grew up

01:27:28.020 you know

01:27:28.280 the world

01:27:28.680 was

01:27:29.080 we were

01:27:30.040 you know

01:27:30.460 we were

01:27:30.780 not taught

01:27:31.380 but things

01:27:32.180 were very

01:27:32.540 polarized

01:27:33.020 oh yeah

01:27:33.920 we have to do

01:27:34.740 our very best

01:27:35.600 to embrace

01:27:36.540 diversity

01:27:37.260 and just

01:27:38.940 open up

01:27:39.440 our hearts

01:27:39.940 yeah

01:27:40.260 and yeah

01:27:41.540 you know

01:27:41.860 the amygdala

01:27:42.260 is going to

01:27:42.640 make a decision

01:27:43.280 we don't have

01:27:44.240 to go with

01:27:44.560 that decision

01:27:44.920 if the amygdala

01:27:45.620 says

01:27:45.980 I'm going to

01:27:47.160 reach out

01:27:47.500 I'm going to

01:27:47.720 buy

01:27:47.880 I'm going to

01:27:48.180 do this

01:27:48.560 I'm going to

01:27:48.820 eat this

01:27:49.240 we take a step

01:27:50.340 back

01:27:50.640 we bring online

01:27:51.760 a higher level

01:27:52.640 of thinking

01:27:53.080 and we ask

01:27:53.820 ourselves

01:27:54.200 is this an

01:27:55.020 appropriate

01:27:55.580 decision

01:27:56.260 am I being

01:27:57.320 manipulated

01:27:58.020 am I being

01:27:58.700 manipulated

01:27:59.260 am I just

01:27:59.800 lizarding

01:28:01.020 probiotics

01:28:03.060 what is that

01:28:03.700 because I started

01:28:04.340 taking those

01:28:05.160 chewing those

01:28:06.220 the gummies

01:28:06.780 and I like

01:28:07.360 them man

01:28:07.860 well you like

01:28:09.160 them

01:28:09.500 what do you mean

01:28:10.020 you like them

01:28:10.460 I like them

01:28:11.600 I feel like

01:28:12.400 they are good

01:28:13.700 I like having

01:28:14.520 a little snack

01:28:15.060 so you could

01:28:15.580 there you go

01:28:16.320 you could say

01:28:17.000 I like them

01:28:17.720 the most I ever

01:28:18.220 had was four

01:28:18.780 okay okay

01:28:19.400 you could say

01:28:20.160 I like them

01:28:20.720 from the amygdala

01:28:21.700 meaning I like

01:28:22.360 them because

01:28:22.840 they're sweet

01:28:23.780 and I like that

01:28:24.560 and I'm done

01:28:25.080 yeah the chewable

01:28:25.860 ones

01:28:26.100 or you could say

01:28:27.020 I like them

01:28:28.340 because

01:28:28.900 that's what I want

01:28:29.960 to know

01:28:30.160 why do I like them

01:28:30.920 so if you like

01:28:31.280 them because

01:28:31.780 you bring in

01:28:32.280 your prefrontal

01:28:32.820 cortex

01:28:33.080 you say

01:28:33.320 I like them

01:28:33.880 because I

01:28:34.800 now know

01:28:35.640 that having

01:28:36.460 probiotic organisms

01:28:37.780 in my gut

01:28:38.640 helps with

01:28:39.720 diversity

01:28:40.340 helps with

01:28:40.960 gut function

01:28:41.700 helps reduce

01:28:42.760 inflammation

01:28:43.140 and I'm

01:28:43.660 buying into

01:28:44.120 that science

01:28:44.960 yes

01:28:45.440 having said

01:28:46.220 that

01:28:46.440 then probably

01:28:47.000 the gummy

01:28:47.540 part of the

01:28:48.220 probiotic gummy

01:28:49.020 would not be

01:28:49.580 the way to go

01:28:50.240 so you're eating

01:28:51.480 them because

01:28:51.860 they're a little

01:28:52.940 treat

01:28:53.280 you're not

01:28:54.100 you know

01:28:54.680 I mean I want

01:28:55.620 to have probiotics

01:28:56.500 and you know

01:28:57.140 I started thinking

01:28:57.740 like I got to

01:28:58.280 make my stomach

01:28:59.020 healthier you know

01:28:59.920 so you want to

01:29:00.740 get a good

01:29:01.460 probiotic

01:29:02.160 and there's

01:29:02.500 some good

01:29:02.840 brands that

01:29:03.480 we can talk

01:29:04.060 about but

01:29:04.520 you want to

01:29:05.260 get one that

01:29:05.760 has long

01:29:06.320 shelf life

01:29:07.080 okay

01:29:07.380 that gives

01:29:07.960 you 30

01:29:09.240 40

01:29:09.620 50 billion

01:29:10.680 organisms

01:29:11.260 that has a

01:29:12.260 lot of

01:29:12.660 diversity

01:29:13.220 of organisms

01:29:13.880 10

01:29:14.380 like a damn

01:29:14.840 aquarium inside

01:29:15.840 of me

01:29:16.100 more than that

01:29:17.020 yeah

01:29:17.300 so you really

01:29:17.980 want to look

01:29:18.380 for those

01:29:18.760 factors

01:29:19.160 and there are

01:29:19.580 plenty of

01:29:20.020 good products

01:29:20.540 out there

01:29:20.900 but I think

01:29:21.360 that's a very

01:29:21.840 reasonable thing

01:29:22.440 and then

01:29:23.380 be sure that

01:29:24.620 you culture

01:29:25.440 these guys

01:29:26.160 as well as

01:29:27.060 the ones

01:29:27.360 that already

01:29:27.660 live in there

01:29:28.080 while having

01:29:28.900 lots of

01:29:29.560 prebiotics

01:29:30.180 in your

01:29:30.720 diet

01:29:31.040 okay

01:29:31.420 and you

01:29:31.760 can get

01:29:32.120 some great

01:29:32.700 probiotics

01:29:33.400 from eating

01:29:33.940 fermented foods

01:29:34.780 like kimchi

01:29:35.540 and sauerkraut

01:29:36.840 and fermented

01:29:37.380 vegetables

01:29:37.860 so you don't

01:29:38.240 have to always

01:29:38.780 buy a

01:29:39.600 probiotic pill

01:29:40.820 or in this

01:29:41.500 case gummy

01:29:42.000 okay

01:29:42.500 you may want

01:29:43.540 to pass

01:29:43.860 in the gummies

01:29:44.360 I mean I'm

01:29:44.860 not trying to be

01:29:45.420 brand specific

01:29:45.960 here I don't

01:29:46.480 know

01:29:46.720 but like say

01:29:47.560 if you're in

01:29:47.840 a bind and

01:29:48.420 you get in

01:29:48.720 a tough spot

01:29:49.320 can some

01:29:49.700 probiotic gummies

01:29:50.480 help you out

01:29:51.060 uh yeah

01:29:53.320 I don't know

01:29:54.700 how bioavailable

01:29:55.660 those probiotics

01:29:56.800 are going to be

01:29:57.380 right

01:29:57.700 so you really

01:29:58.600 again you want

01:29:59.180 to look for

01:29:59.520 certain parameters

01:30:00.260 within uh

01:30:01.300 you know that

01:30:02.180 brands are going

01:30:02.900 to satisfy

01:30:03.760 making sure

01:30:04.320 you're really

01:30:04.700 getting what

01:30:05.280 you're what

01:30:05.700 you think

01:30:06.040 you are

01:30:06.360 okay

01:30:06.720 but understand

01:30:07.480 that if you're

01:30:08.040 eating the gummies

01:30:09.040 you're eating the

01:30:10.480 gummy part

01:30:10.940 not the probiotic

01:30:11.700 part

01:30:11.860 probably

01:30:12.560 right

01:30:13.020 you think

01:30:13.720 there's some

01:30:14.060 probiotics in there

01:30:14.780 they have to put

01:30:15.260 something

01:30:15.560 who knows

01:30:16.820 la-dee-da

01:30:17.600 you know

01:30:17.920 there's no uh

01:30:19.060 there's no oversight

01:30:20.220 as far as that goes

01:30:21.160 who looks at that

01:30:22.000 and says

01:30:22.340 yep

01:30:22.680 not only are they

01:30:23.680 in there

01:30:24.060 uh generally

01:30:25.180 read the label

01:30:26.500 and often as

01:30:27.260 what they're going

01:30:27.700 to say is

01:30:28.320 um

01:30:29.080 10 billion

01:30:30.740 cfu

01:30:31.600 meaning colony

01:30:32.320 forming units

01:30:33.000 at the time

01:30:34.220 of manufacture

01:30:34.960 and if you see

01:30:35.760 that

01:30:36.040 that's not

01:30:37.000 the product

01:30:37.380 for you

01:30:37.780 right

01:30:38.040 you don't want

01:30:38.840 something that

01:30:39.340 when they

01:30:39.680 manufactured it

01:30:40.600 18 months ago

01:30:41.680 had this

01:30:42.200 now it's got

01:30:42.960 nothing

01:30:43.300 you want that

01:30:43.580 fresh hitter

01:30:44.080 you want to have

01:30:44.720 something that says

01:30:45.300 30 billion cfu's

01:30:47.720 guaranteed

01:30:48.240 for 12 months

01:30:49.980 after the date

01:30:51.060 that is stamped

01:30:51.760 on that product

01:30:52.520 when it was

01:30:53.220 manufactured

01:30:53.740 so you take it

01:30:54.460 six months later

01:30:55.560 it's been on the

01:30:56.060 store shelf

01:30:56.580 you had it at home

01:30:57.360 and now it's still

01:30:58.620 going to kick your

01:30:59.640 butt in terms of

01:31:00.360 having good probiotics

01:31:01.380 and so eating better

01:31:02.960 will leave me more

01:31:03.680 to be my best self

01:31:04.580 there's really just

01:31:05.080 no denying it

01:31:05.760 it seems like

01:31:06.380 it's a take-home

01:31:07.900 message but

01:31:08.660 uh it's all about

01:31:09.820 um

01:31:10.260 taking that moment

01:31:12.640 bringing online

01:31:14.220 your higher level

01:31:15.180 of thinking about

01:31:15.840 what's best

01:31:16.800 for theo

01:31:17.380 and who's in

01:31:18.480 charge

01:31:18.840 and what are

01:31:20.280 my instincts

01:31:20.980 what are those

01:31:21.740 that are in my

01:31:22.220 stomach

01:31:22.520 so instincts

01:31:23.940 are some things

01:31:25.500 that are programmed

01:31:26.220 sweet is an

01:31:27.360 instinct

01:31:27.780 okay

01:31:28.140 sex is an

01:31:28.840 instinct

01:31:29.220 okay

01:31:29.600 you know

01:31:30.120 feast

01:31:30.740 uh flight

01:31:31.840 against a

01:31:33.120 potentially

01:31:33.740 threatening

01:31:34.400 issue

01:31:35.700 is an

01:31:36.780 instinct

01:31:37.240 uh so

01:31:38.480 you know

01:31:39.160 we talk about

01:31:40.000 trust your instincts

01:31:41.140 people say

01:31:41.780 well trust your

01:31:42.560 instincts to some

01:31:43.240 degree

01:31:43.640 but sometimes

01:31:45.120 our instincts

01:31:45.860 can get us

01:31:46.600 into trouble

01:31:47.320 uh you know

01:31:49.000 somebody says

01:31:49.740 something to you

01:31:50.360 and you punch

01:31:50.820 them in the face

01:31:51.400 instinctually

01:31:52.500 well they may have

01:31:53.440 been talking to the

01:31:53.860 guy standing behind

01:31:54.620 you

01:31:54.840 right

01:31:55.160 right or they may

01:31:56.080 have thought you

01:31:56.640 were some

01:31:56.900 whatever

01:31:57.300 right

01:31:57.820 and so that's an

01:31:58.880 instinctual response

01:31:59.880 and amygdala based

01:32:00.640 sudden reaction that

01:32:01.440 we need to temper

01:32:02.260 i i i think back

01:32:05.600 i mean i i'll never

01:32:07.020 forget standing in a line

01:32:08.220 of all places at best buy

01:32:09.560 oh yeah

01:32:10.180 no it was costco

01:32:11.480 it was costco

01:32:12.300 and i had an

01:32:13.780 instinctual response

01:32:15.240 that i regret

01:32:16.380 uh and i you

01:32:18.160 could say what you

01:32:18.760 want to me

01:32:19.260 uh i'm okay with

01:32:20.260 that but somebody

01:32:21.420 said something to

01:32:22.340 my wife and i

01:32:23.460 uh it didn't

01:32:26.060 luckily it could

01:32:27.260 have been worse

01:32:27.700 but and i was i

01:32:29.480 have to say i was

01:32:30.020 very down on myself

01:32:31.000 for not reining

01:32:32.720 that in i should

01:32:33.800 have been the

01:32:34.980 bigger person and

01:32:35.780 reined it in and

01:32:36.520 i didn't

01:32:37.500 um and but

01:32:39.320 it's a lesson

01:32:39.800 so uh so

01:32:41.280 sometimes those

01:32:41.940 instinctual responses

01:32:42.720 can harm you

01:32:43.400 yeah and um

01:32:44.780 instinctually we

01:32:46.560 should eat sugar all

01:32:47.380 the time because

01:32:48.220 instinctually we are

01:32:49.800 told that it is

01:32:51.160 good for us it's

01:32:52.300 telling us winter is

01:32:53.000 coming and that the

01:32:54.120 fruit is safe and

01:32:54.960 ripe that's we

01:32:56.440 override that with

01:32:58.040 our higher

01:32:58.980 core function telling

01:32:59.900 us no we don't

01:33:01.440 want to eat a lot of

01:33:02.020 sugar instinctually

01:33:03.180 everybody wants to

01:33:03.800 have sex with

01:33:04.280 everybody yeah and

01:33:05.580 no matter what and

01:33:06.920 uh you know you

01:33:07.880 can't do it you

01:33:08.540 know modern society

01:33:09.380 that's not necessarily

01:33:10.560 going to be uh good

01:33:11.820 for you oh you can't

01:33:12.740 even masturbate in your

01:33:13.820 car anymore around

01:33:14.820 here anymore there

01:33:16.200 used to be a time i

01:33:17.120 wasn't aware of that

01:33:18.540 but uh so something

01:33:19.320 happened in line and

01:33:19.920 you got an altercation

01:33:20.720 yeah it could have been

01:33:22.260 a lot worse right and

01:33:23.320 um anyway but that

01:33:25.020 was your instincts it

01:33:26.160 was my instinct but i i

01:33:28.160 checked it right at the

01:33:29.400 right moment and and i

01:33:30.980 actually think a sensei a

01:33:33.240 um a teacher from years

01:33:35.560 ago martial arts teacher

01:33:36.660 who worked with me

01:33:38.840 with that that got me

01:33:40.880 to the level and would

01:33:42.040 would kind of actually

01:33:43.480 would hit me in the

01:33:44.320 face until i and would

01:33:46.540 and kept me from

01:33:48.080 responding and would

01:33:49.740 say something you want

01:33:50.260 to hit me back come on

01:33:51.240 hit me back and and

01:33:52.240 training me not to

01:33:53.540 respond and i got to

01:33:54.760 that point and that

01:33:56.000 engram was activated and

01:33:58.380 then i backed down and

01:33:59.180 i was um very grateful

01:34:01.460 for that training because

01:34:03.080 it took me to edge you

01:34:04.740 know it's funny because

01:34:05.360 i had an experience i

01:34:06.180 was in uh i think

01:34:07.420 berlin one time with a

01:34:08.680 girlfriend we were

01:34:09.360 traveling and and uh

01:34:11.380 we were on this bike

01:34:12.080 tour you know you go on

01:34:12.920 bike tours when you're

01:34:13.760 on the tourist sometimes

01:34:14.740 and some guy was like

01:34:16.120 going down a bike path

01:34:17.100 really fast and he like

01:34:18.360 hit my girlfriend's

01:34:19.720 bike like really hard

01:34:20.760 and when i looked at

01:34:22.220 him i could tell

01:34:22.680 immediately he'd like

01:34:23.500 done it on purpose

01:34:24.320 we weren't really in

01:34:25.420 the way he had maybe

01:34:26.960 he got angry with

01:34:27.860 tourists he didn't like

01:34:28.720 living in the city who

01:34:29.660 knows but my first

01:34:33.740 instinct was to pedal

01:34:35.960 off and fucking kill

01:34:37.060 that guy you know get

01:34:38.660 a knife out an

01:34:39.180 imaginary knife suddenly

01:34:40.160 in my hand like i was

01:34:41.120 gonna fucking kill this

01:34:42.480 dude you know but i

01:34:44.540 didn't right i didn't

01:34:45.900 do that i just stayed

01:34:46.860 there you know i made

01:34:48.040 sure she was okay but

01:34:49.360 i've always regretted

01:34:51.000 not doing no i don't

01:34:52.120 maybe not killing him

01:34:52.780 but at least driving

01:34:53.620 over and jumping and

01:34:54.620 just you know tackling

01:34:55.680 him and at least but

01:34:56.860 think about it now from

01:34:58.960 the perspective of

01:35:00.260 the fact that you

01:35:01.000 were able to rein

01:35:02.100 yourself in that is

01:35:04.480 absolutely huge

01:35:05.680 think about that you

01:35:07.440 could rein yourself in

01:35:08.800 at that moment and

01:35:09.720 not do and you could

01:35:11.260 rein in the amygdala

01:35:12.140 and say i'm not gonna

01:35:14.040 do it and that should

01:35:15.820 be a sense of pride

01:35:17.060 that you have but i

01:35:17.560 felt like it was a

01:35:18.180 wimp i felt like a

01:35:19.100 wimp though no you're

01:35:20.320 not a wimp you know

01:35:21.040 that you need that man

01:35:22.300 to prove that you're a

01:35:23.220 wimp or not a wimp

01:35:24.060 who is he how should he

01:35:26.100 enter into your life

01:35:27.020 hopefully dead i wish

01:35:28.780 but but yeah but i

01:35:30.660 mean yeah i gotta let

01:35:31.880 it go i guess i still

01:35:32.720 have a resentment

01:35:33.140 against that man

01:35:33.900 it's good to feel it

01:35:35.080 though it's good to

01:35:35.820 take yourself out of

01:35:36.700 the moment and

01:35:37.380 experience it that was

01:35:39.140 what that deep breath

01:35:39.820 was just about because

01:35:40.640 you went back to that

01:35:41.620 moment and it again

01:35:42.800 challenged you you know

01:35:43.700 your adrenaline level

01:35:45.060 is up cortisol cortisol

01:35:46.620 levels up fight or

01:35:47.480 flight which isn't

01:35:48.700 necessarily good for

01:35:49.620 you but to let it go

01:35:51.140 to feel it experience it

01:35:52.640 take that purging breath

01:35:54.240 clearing breath and

01:35:55.800 move on you're a better

01:35:56.680 person for that and

01:35:57.900 the fact that you

01:35:58.620 reigned it in then

01:35:59.640 that is huge you pat

01:36:01.940 yourself on the back

01:36:02.740 for that one pat that

01:36:03.760 dude on the back really

01:36:04.400 hard with a knife um

01:36:06.400 and anything else nick

01:36:07.500 that you have oh yeah

01:36:08.160 so we have six doctors

01:36:09.880 celebrity doctors right

01:36:11.300 nick fia field this one

01:36:12.520 out here yeah we've got

01:36:13.560 six celebrity doctors and

01:36:14.860 we'd like you to rank

01:36:15.940 them just in your your

01:36:17.580 your love for them your

01:36:20.020 respect for them and uh

01:36:21.680 for the people listening

01:36:22.400 we've got deepak chopra

01:36:23.620 dr ken jong uh dr drew

01:36:26.220 dr oz chay guvera and

01:36:28.420 dr phil who should we

01:36:29.560 listen to you know yeah

01:36:31.160 well uh to light the

01:36:34.440 single candle and not uh

01:36:35.860 anyway i fight the dark

01:36:38.080 or yeah i love deepak i've

01:36:40.780 known deepak for wow i

01:36:43.180 guess 28 years i dreamed

01:36:45.080 about deepak chopra last

01:36:46.780 night oddly enough and this

01:36:48.760 morning i told my wife i

01:36:50.260 dreamed about deepak we

01:36:51.100 were having dinner um i

01:36:53.520 i think he's centered i

01:36:56.860 think he's one of the

01:36:57.460 coolest individuals i know

01:36:59.200 wow so i love the guy

01:37:00.320 number one um well let me

01:37:02.800 let me continue then we'll

01:37:03.740 work on the ranking uh

01:37:05.240 memet oz i think is

01:37:07.200 fantastic i'm a medical

01:37:08.860 advisor to the dr oz show

01:37:10.680 been on that program i

01:37:12.180 guess three or four times

01:37:13.220 um i i respect his desire

01:37:17.740 to be a little bit out

01:37:19.140 there to challenge the

01:37:20.280 mainstream and to really

01:37:22.720 apply a level of

01:37:23.940 objectivity to things that

01:37:25.520 are a little bit off

01:37:26.280 center and i highly

01:37:27.620 respect that i know him

01:37:28.620 as a person uh and his

01:37:30.300 wife uh and his wife's

01:37:31.960 parents uh is he a neat

01:37:33.460 man he's he's he's a cool

01:37:35.100 guy wow i like him a lot

01:37:36.300 uh and we actually just

01:37:37.780 were with uh his mother

01:37:39.940 and father-in-law uh two

01:37:41.820 weeks ago in new york uh and

01:37:44.680 they're terrific people um

01:37:46.980 dr drew super cool uh i

01:37:50.640 mean here's a guy too yeah

01:37:52.500 he is uh i i highly respect

01:37:54.940 uh everything he's about uh

01:37:57.360 his inquisitive mind is uh

01:37:59.200 breathtaking uh his depth of

01:38:01.780 knowledge but depth of

01:38:03.160 validation when he has an

01:38:04.400 idea i think is uh super

01:38:06.180 cool yeah the other three i

01:38:08.240 don't know who's top middle

01:38:09.580 there that's dr ken jong he's

01:38:11.340 now a comedian and comedic

01:38:13.140 actor but he was oh that's

01:38:14.840 right he was a doctor uh i

01:38:16.440 only know him from the

01:38:17.180 comedy perspective yeah

01:38:18.380 apparently doctrine wasn't

01:38:19.740 going so good if he bailed

01:38:21.020 out yeah but apparently

01:38:22.080 this part is working out

01:38:23.420 well for me i've heard him

01:38:24.840 on the comedy channel so uh

01:38:27.000 or one of the serious radio

01:38:28.540 channel channels so from

01:38:29.760 that perspective i respect

01:38:31.280 his comedy che guevara i'm

01:38:33.060 not sure uh you know i think

01:38:35.840 we're kind of in a different

01:38:36.820 arena and with all due

01:38:38.200 respect i think that dr phil

01:38:39.680 might be in a different

01:38:40.800 arena not being a medical

01:38:43.040 doctor uh but then again

01:38:45.060 you know things that both

01:38:46.600 what is he a doctor of he

01:38:47.800 was a bouncer wasn't he on

01:38:48.860 the oprah show well he you

01:38:51.340 know his his show is all

01:38:52.460 about psychology oh that's

01:38:53.840 right so uh you know both

01:38:54.900 deepak and memed az are mds

01:38:56.800 deepak was an endocrinologist

01:38:58.340 very well credentialed memed

01:39:00.200 az uh practiced cardiovascular

01:39:01.860 surgery as you may know so

01:39:03.780 my ability to relate to them

01:39:05.020 on my based on my training i

01:39:06.900 think is much greater and um

01:39:09.740 but you know clearly they

01:39:11.440 both are exploring areas that

01:39:12.860 are not particularly in the

01:39:14.500 field of medicine but

01:39:15.600 absolutely should be uh like

01:39:17.660 spirituality in the case of

01:39:19.080 deepak and certainly memed

01:39:20.480 goes to that place as well

01:39:21.500 so um what can i say um i i'm

01:39:26.400 we'll leave the answer at that

01:39:27.680 who do you think sexier though

01:39:29.140 out of dr oz and dr drew who

01:39:31.280 what who sexier you think

01:39:32.840 well uh i i don't know what

01:39:36.040 how what kind of shape dr oz is

01:39:37.480 in i think he's lean and mean

01:39:38.720 uh dr drew uh dedicates himself

01:39:41.500 to that he he's ripped uh i i

01:39:44.300 don't know i i think deepak is

01:39:46.100 sexy actually i i i do because

01:39:48.400 deepak does what he wants uh he

01:39:51.460 wears what he wants and i think

01:39:53.260 and uh i think he's very

01:39:55.440 attractive from from the

01:39:56.500 perspective of of being artsy in

01:39:58.700 that regard and i find artsy to be

01:40:00.160 very attractive gang there you

01:40:01.820 go deepak it is man um uh dr

01:40:06.040 perlmutter thank you so much

01:40:07.020 for being here yeah i think it's

01:40:08.480 been really really interesting

01:40:09.480 thanks pio oh i got a year of

01:40:11.880 dieting now to do this is gonna

01:40:13.420 suck a lifetime oh shit

01:40:15.500 now i'm just floating on the

01:40:18.280 breeze and i feel i'm falling like

01:40:20.940 these leaves i must be cornerstone

01:40:25.060 oh but when i reach that ground

01:40:29.620 i'll share this peace of mind i found i can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a little time

01:40:41.620 for me to set that parking brake and let myself

01:40:47.120 unwind shine that light on me i'll sit and tell you my stories

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