This Past Weekend with Theo Von - E282 Suga Sean O'Malley

00:00:00.000 Today's guest is undefeated in the MMA fighting.

00:00:04.560 He is a one-of-a-kind type of sensation.

00:00:08.780 He's here with his coach, Tim Welch, who you'll also hear on the mic in the back.

00:00:14.780 It's exciting to sit down with him.

00:00:18.020 The Sugar Show himself, Mr. Sean O'Malley.

00:00:22.080 Shine that light on me

00:00:26.960 I'll sit and tell you my stories

00:00:32.900 Shine on me

00:00:37.640 And I will find a song I've been singing just for me

00:00:49.240 Yeah, but it started for us as having a...

00:00:52.240 You know, I was a big Dustin Poirier fan. I still am a big Dustin Poirier fan.

00:00:54.920 And so he was like the first dream guest we ever had.

00:00:58.700 I was like, dude, what if we could get Dustin Poirier on?

00:01:01.080 And like so then eventually he came in.

00:01:04.020 And so then that's how I slowly even started getting into UFC.

00:01:08.920 And then Rogan knew I was a fan.

00:01:10.480 And so he took me to when Dustin and Max Holloway fought.

00:01:14.680 That fight was sick.

00:01:15.860 That was a crazy night.

00:01:16.300 You were there live?

00:01:17.080 Yeah, bro.

00:01:17.800 That was your first one?

00:01:18.560 It was the first fight I've ever been to.

00:01:19.180 Yeah.

00:01:19.600 Who was the co-main? Do you remember?

00:01:21.040 Israel and Gastelum.

00:01:22.180 Which was crazy.

00:01:24.840 That might be one of the sickest fights ever.

00:01:27.560 But Dustin vs. Max might be up there too.

00:01:29.580 It was crazy, man.

00:01:31.200 And I was like, bro, I don't even know what happened to me.

00:01:34.780 I turned, like something came out of me.

00:01:36.940 I think this inner part of me that always had been like afraid to fight

00:01:40.060 just like came out of me as like a fan.

00:01:42.360 And so then slowly I've like really started to get into the sport more.

00:01:46.780 It's a fucking crazy sport.

00:01:48.980 Dude, I used to be afraid to watch it.

00:01:50.300 Dude, I literally told on my dad because my mom was watching.

00:01:54.600 Or I told on my dad, told my mom because my dad was watching.

00:01:58.080 I was probably 13, 14.

00:02:00.480 Oh, like it was a bad thing?

00:02:01.580 I'm like, I thought it was fucked up.

00:02:03.420 I'm like, how do they take those shots to the ribs?

00:02:06.960 You're like, mom, dad's, look what dad's doing.

00:02:09.240 I'm like, dad's watching.

00:02:10.120 Because I wanted to watch something.

00:02:11.040 And I was like literally disgusted by it.

00:02:13.440 They're bleeding and stuff.

00:02:14.680 And I'm just like this skinny little fucking kid.

00:02:17.640 Never thought about fighting at all.

00:02:20.440 Were you, what do your parents do?

00:02:22.500 Are we going?

00:02:23.340 Yeah.

00:02:23.620 Oh, fuck yeah, cool.

00:02:24.660 What do your parents do?

00:02:26.220 My mom, she's retired basically now, but she was a nurse.

00:02:31.020 And my dad was a detective.

00:02:33.000 No.

00:02:33.560 So I, growing up, was terrified of marijuana.

00:02:37.100 And we lived in Helena, Montana, tiny fucking place.

00:02:39.740 Yeah.

00:02:40.200 And so if anybody was smoking weed, I looked at it like they were doing meth in my head.

00:02:44.500 Right.

00:02:44.700 Like I was like associating it with the same, same stuff.

00:02:47.820 Yeah.

00:02:48.020 Like plant milk.

00:02:48.700 Yeah.

00:02:49.300 So, so that, my dad was a detective.

00:02:51.380 I obviously fucking love marijuana now, but it was crazy because I just looked at it so

00:02:56.100 bad.

00:02:56.440 And then when I moved to Phoenix, I kind of like, Tim's like, come on, try it, try it.

00:03:00.020 So I tried it.

00:03:00.640 I'm like.

00:03:00.900 Oh, your coach.

00:03:01.500 Yeah.

00:03:01.700 Yeah.

00:03:02.000 I'm like, what the?

00:03:02.760 Yeah, my coach.

00:03:03.840 Coach you into a, let me coach you into a bag right here.

00:03:07.320 But it was because he thought it would be good for me because I'm a fucking spaz.

00:03:11.120 Oh, wow.

00:03:11.400 It'd be 10 p.m.

00:03:12.240 We trained twice, five hours.

00:03:14.580 And I'm just like, let's go do something.

00:03:16.520 He's like, shut the fuck up.

00:03:17.860 Take a hit.

00:03:18.640 And I would just take a hit.

00:03:19.560 I'm like, whoa, that's pretty nice.

00:03:21.380 Be able to chill for a little bit.

00:03:23.060 So, but yeah, my dad's a detective.

00:03:25.640 He's retired now too.

00:03:26.620 He does something.

00:03:27.160 I'm not even sure what the fuck he does now, but.

00:03:28.940 Did he ever do any murders and stuff like that even?

00:03:31.320 He, he did.

00:03:32.300 Yeah, he did.

00:03:32.920 He was in the, for about 20, I think 20 years, and he told me some fucked up stories.

00:03:39.680 I love murder, bro.

00:03:41.280 Murdered, like this guy got, he was in a helicopter, and my dad was like first on the scene.

00:03:46.980 He like completely was splattered all over the dash of the helicopter because it ran into

00:03:51.520 a mountain or some shit.

00:03:52.920 But he would tell me some fucked up shit about like him having to interview guys that were

00:03:58.240 raping their daughters that were in wheelchairs.

00:04:00.040 Oh, oh.

00:04:01.140 And that's the shit that he was like, I fucking hate this job.

00:04:05.260 That's too much.

00:04:05.980 That's too much.

00:04:06.720 And then, and that wasn't just like one time.

00:04:09.080 That was like numerous times, certain situations, like.

00:04:12.580 Just having to face the devil like that.

00:04:14.760 Yeah.

00:04:15.040 Because you're looking right at that.

00:04:16.180 When you're talking to somebody like that, you're looking at the devil.

00:04:18.520 Yeah.

00:04:18.820 Sitting there having those conversations.

00:04:20.380 And then you, and then think like after that conversation, later that day, you're probably

00:04:23.460 running it through your mind and thinking about like, what the fuck?

00:04:26.340 There's people like this.

00:04:27.880 Yeah.

00:04:28.380 Sad.

00:04:28.740 And so your mom was a nurse.

00:04:30.900 That's a really loving job.

00:04:32.240 I feel like you have to be, it takes a special type of person to be a nurse.

00:04:35.440 Yeah.

00:04:35.840 She was super like caring and loving toward growing up.

00:04:40.140 We had, I have three, there was three boys and then my sister.

00:04:43.920 So yeah, it was, she was super caring and loving.

00:04:47.160 She still is.

00:04:47.740 She still treats me like I'm fucking six.

00:04:49.820 Yeah.

00:04:50.180 Because the other day, like she still sees me in a certain way, which is really weird

00:04:53.580 because I moved to Phoenix about six years ago and she still looks at me as like, I'm

00:04:58.620 a, that little, I'm her Shawnee.

00:05:00.540 I'm her little boy because she, I told her, don't watch any of my podcasts.

00:05:04.280 Don't watch any of my vlogs.

00:05:05.580 And she watched our last vlog road to UFC two 50.

00:05:09.160 It was like, we put it out.

00:05:10.680 Um, it was before I got the call to fight Eddie and all that in the beginning episode is Tim

00:05:15.860 was pretending to stand up and give $50,000 stimulus check to everybody.

00:05:19.320 And I went die motherfucker.

00:05:20.660 And my mom watched the beginning of that and she called me crying.

00:05:23.740 She said, I didn't raise you like that.

00:05:25.480 That's evil inside of you.

00:05:27.040 And I'm, I'm like reading the comments and everyone's like, oh, sugar, Tim, fucking love

00:05:31.740 you guys.

00:05:32.260 I'm like this, her perspective of that.

00:05:34.620 Like she just sees it so much different.

00:05:36.380 She just still sees me as that little boy.

00:05:38.540 Right.

00:05:39.140 I'm like, this is just comedy.

00:05:40.340 That's just funny stuff.

00:05:41.380 Right.

00:05:41.540 They don't know.

00:05:42.140 Yeah.

00:05:42.260 They don't know sometimes like, uh, yeah.

00:05:44.400 Like things that we're joking around about.

00:05:46.020 Yeah.

00:05:46.280 Like they'll think it's super serious.

00:05:47.860 I like to like comedy is fun because you can push the buttons and make jokes about

00:05:55.040 stuff that you can't necessarily, you shouldn't almost.

00:05:57.980 Yeah.

00:05:58.420 Well, that's the funnest part.

00:05:59.600 Dude, I'm obviously not a comedian, but when Tim and I and JX are hanging out, we say some

00:06:04.440 fucked up shit.

00:06:05.520 That's like funny.

00:06:06.460 Well, Sugar's into fat chicks.

00:06:08.420 I'm not into fat chicks.

00:06:09.620 I don't mind a little thickness.

00:06:11.440 You got to have a thing, especially with the look, with the end of times coming, dude,

00:06:14.540 I don't want to be laying there next to a bone bag, dog.

00:06:16.840 That's true.

00:06:17.420 Dude, you laying next to some girl that doesn't have any skills, bro.

00:06:20.860 Yeah, that's true.

00:06:21.080 That's the last thing I want.

00:06:23.960 The end of times coming, bro, and you have to freaking hunt for two.

00:06:27.400 No shit.

00:06:28.140 Might as well get one and two for sure.

00:06:29.880 We're trying to fucking see if there's any way we can score some chicks down here in

00:06:33.000 LA.

00:06:34.200 I'm sure.

00:06:35.400 Bro, I've definitely, I've disappointed a lot of women in this town.

00:06:38.740 I'm sure we can help.

00:06:39.460 I'm down to disappoint someone tonight.

00:06:41.900 Even if we got to pay $150.

00:06:43.300 That's what I'm saying.

00:06:43.920 If it comes down to it, it's like, okay, this chick's too on for an hour?

00:06:47.360 Not to fuck, of course.

00:06:48.580 Right.

00:06:48.980 It's just a little massage or something.

00:06:50.540 I would hang out.

00:06:51.720 Yeah.

00:06:52.260 A couple of bucks.

00:06:52.520 Oh, yeah.

00:06:52.840 You could find somebody definitely to hang out for sure, man.

00:06:55.440 Especially during these times.

00:06:56.780 Yeah.

00:06:57.400 They're desperate.

00:06:58.000 It's extra to have the mask off, though.

00:06:59.520 That's the only thing.

00:07:00.580 I might keep going on just in case.

00:07:02.420 Yeah.

00:07:02.640 It's 50.

00:07:03.220 I know that.

00:07:04.080 I'm not joking.

00:07:04.700 For a lot of women, it's $50 more for no mask.

00:07:09.120 Wow.

00:07:10.420 So that's where we're at here.

00:07:11.660 Yeah.

00:07:13.160 When you look at, like, I was listening to one of your interviews with Ariel, Ariel Helwani.

00:07:19.520 And you talked about, you said performing instead of fighting, just in a sentence you were using.

00:07:27.400 Do you think of it as performing?

00:07:29.100 Do you think of it as, like?

00:07:31.880 I do.

00:07:32.320 I think of it as pure entertainment.

00:07:35.260 I've never thought of fighting.

00:07:36.900 I've never been able to, like, articulate it, how to say it.

00:07:41.220 I've never thought of fighting as fighting.

00:07:43.260 I've always thought of it as a sport plus entertainment.

00:07:48.980 And I'm just going to get really good at this skill, which happens to be fighting, punching, kicking, choking, all the skills.

00:07:56.140 And then go and perform.

00:07:58.700 And I always, in my head, have better skill set than this guy.

00:08:01.360 So it's, like, a performance for me.

00:08:05.340 But it's still fighting.

00:08:07.040 It's hard to explain it.

00:08:10.180 But, yeah.

00:08:10.580 Oh, yeah.

00:08:10.960 I feel like I'm performing.

00:08:12.240 Oh, I can imagine it's hard.

00:08:13.380 Yeah, but, yeah, because I'm watching some of your fights.

00:08:15.360 And I'm like, yeah, it seems like, like, some guys, you're watching them fight.

00:08:20.340 And it's a fight.

00:08:22.780 Yours has this different element where it's like, like, I would watch you.

00:08:26.920 Sometimes it seems like whenever you get in the clinch, like, it's almost like it bothers you a little because, and this is just my perspective, you know, because it's like, oh, this almost looks tacky.

00:08:36.260 Like, I want to do the, like, it doesn't, you can't be as artistic when you're in some of those environments.

00:08:40.660 Does it feel like that, or is that?

00:08:43.080 That comes down to strategy.

00:08:44.820 For me, I'm usually, like, longer.

00:08:47.660 Almost every single time I fight someone, especially in my weight class, I'm going to be longer.

00:08:51.480 I'm going to have the reach advantage.

00:08:52.520 So getting in close and being in the clinch is going to be not necessarily a disadvantage for me, but it's not necessarily where I want to be.

00:08:59.860 I want to be at range where I can hit people and they can't hit me.

00:09:03.640 If I'm teeping somebody, which is like a front kick to their sternum, if I'm landing that, they can't hit me.

00:09:09.040 And if you watch my fights, I throw a lot of fucking teep kicks.

00:09:12.120 Oh, your legs, like, seem like they got arms in them, dude.

00:09:14.320 I'm like, dude, does he have fucking arms in his legs?

00:09:16.180 I throw them just as much as my hands.

00:09:17.300 Like, I throw just many kicks.

00:09:18.280 So once we're in the clinch, it gives them an opportunity to grab my hips, get a body lock, take me down.

00:09:24.640 But we've been working on so much jiu-jitsu, and I'm getting called out by these wrestlers.

00:09:28.240 And I don't read comments and get offended.

00:09:30.900 They're like, oh, you need to fucking fight a wrestler to prove you're real.

00:09:33.800 But I do a lot of jiu-jitsu, a lot of ground training.

00:09:36.300 I do way more grappling than I do anything.

00:09:39.060 So I'm going to fucking choke these motherfuckers.

00:09:41.240 Like, once I get someone that can actually take me down, like, I guarantee Jose, the kid I fought before, Eddie, his goal, he had jiu-jitsu tattooed across his chest.

00:09:49.180 His goal was to take me down.

00:09:50.340 That means he means that.

00:09:51.140 He was trying to take me down.

00:09:52.100 Yeah, dude.

00:09:52.720 If you write it on your chest forever, you better really mean it, dude.

00:09:56.840 But the thing is, is like, these guys think, oh, we got to take them down, grab.

00:10:01.080 Good luck grabbing a hold of me.

00:10:02.780 My distance and my footwork and my speed is, you know, that's something we work on.

00:10:07.100 And understanding where I'm at on the cage, it's not easy to take me down.

00:10:10.560 It's not easy to grab me without getting fucking punched in the jaw or kneed or hit in the stomach.

00:10:16.400 So these people that think that the way to beat me is, hey, let's just take them down.

00:10:20.760 Right.

00:10:21.000 That's not a good game plan.

00:10:22.360 Right.

00:10:22.560 And it's because it's not easy.

00:10:23.500 You're like a dangerous water man.

00:10:24.720 When I'm watching you out there, I'm like, damn, this guy, it's almost like somebody, like you have a puppeteer almost.

00:10:31.400 And the person who's doing it is, like, definitely been on some speed balls.

00:10:35.400 They've been up for a couple days, you know?

00:10:37.040 Like, that's how I feel like when I'm in there, and I've said this in other interviews, like, I feel like I've just let go of all thought and everything.

00:10:45.680 And I feel like my higher self takes control of me in there.

00:10:49.080 So I do, I am like a fucking puppet to my higher self and just doing everything that, I'm just doing whatever that puppet's making me do.

00:10:56.000 That's probably what it is.

00:10:56.680 Do you feel coachable?

00:10:57.600 Like, do you feel, is it, do you find it's harder to be, like, take, like, pointers from coaches and stuff as you grow?

00:11:07.300 Because, I mean, you're like on a, you're literally on, like, a rocket ship right now.

00:11:09.780 Like, this is a unique time in your life.

00:11:11.400 Does it get, because your own voice gets big, you know?

00:11:14.220 Yeah.

00:11:14.420 Because people tell you it's big.

00:11:15.380 Right.

00:11:15.520 You see your work and it's, you know, you're undefeated.

00:11:18.960 You're like, okay, I know what I'm doing.

00:11:21.320 And does that make it tough to hear coaches as much?

00:11:24.420 Not at all.

00:11:24.880 Because, like, Tenquino Augusto Mendez is our jiu-jitsu coach.

00:11:28.520 That's who Tim got his black belt under.

00:11:30.480 And he just won 80cc Worlds last year, which is the biggest grappling tournament.

00:11:34.540 And he's the best in that weight class, which is my weight class, at grappling.

00:11:39.180 I'm never going to outlearn him.

00:11:40.340 There's never going to be a time where I'm like, I don't, he can always teach me forever.

00:11:45.340 And then for MMA, it's like, Tim and I, Tim knows my style, my striking, my jiu-jitsu.

00:11:50.040 He knows it better than anyone.

00:11:52.120 He knows it, like, as well as I know it.

00:11:53.880 So, I trust when he says something.

00:11:55.800 Like, you can see, there's new, I've watched all my fights fucking thousands of times.

00:12:00.360 There's moments in the fight where you can hear Tim yell something from the cage.

00:12:04.600 And you can see, you'll see me do it the same, what he's yelling.

00:12:08.380 Because we have code words for everything.

00:12:10.540 So, in the fight, I'm super coachable.

00:12:13.160 I'm trusting in him.

00:12:14.320 Like, he sees something.

00:12:15.700 And I know, I trust that.

00:12:16.940 That's going to work in there.

00:12:17.740 And it has so far.

00:12:20.040 But as far as being outside the fight and like, okay, it's time to train.

00:12:24.820 I mean, you could answer that if I'm coachable.

00:12:27.040 I feel like I take it well.

00:12:28.900 Yeah, super fucking smart, you know.

00:12:31.460 And I don't look at it and say, hey, you need to do this.

00:12:33.940 Say, hey, look at it from this perspective.

00:12:36.000 What do you think?

00:12:37.040 And he's like, oh, shit, that makes sense.

00:12:38.640 Now, I see that a little bit.

00:12:39.720 So, he's super fucking coachable for sure.

00:12:42.160 Yeah.

00:12:42.360 What was it like whenever you guys went over to Joe Rogan?

00:12:45.220 I know you're a huge Joe Rogan fan, dude.

00:12:46.640 Me too.

00:12:47.940 And I remember the first time walking into like his lair.

00:12:50.960 It's like, I feel like, for me, I felt like I walked into like, like where they wrote the Bible.

00:12:55.980 And like, but the Bible had like some crazy different chapters.

00:12:59.820 Like people were, you know, people were fucking arm wrestling and people were, you know, eating fucking albatross nuggets and just doing wild shit, you know.

00:13:07.780 Yeah, that's how I felt.

00:13:09.060 What was y'all's experience like when you guys went over there?

00:13:11.560 I was nervous as fuck.

00:13:13.180 Me too, man.

00:13:13.560 I'm like, whew.

00:13:14.620 And the night before I got this Airbnb and I didn't look at it.

00:13:18.240 I'm like, oh, this is two miles from Rogan's place.

00:13:20.600 I figured it'll be a nice little place.

00:13:22.580 It's some ghetto ass apartment.

00:13:25.380 Studio.

00:13:25.980 Studio, one bedroom, one bed.

00:13:28.880 One bed.

00:13:29.440 And it's like, so Tim and I are fucking sleeping in that bed and I'm like under the top covers.

00:13:34.140 It's uncomfortable.

00:13:35.920 Just greasy.

00:13:36.700 Just greasy.

00:13:37.360 And the pictures, the pictures of the apartment were of the lady and her family that lived in there.

00:13:43.060 And it was just fucking awkward.

00:13:44.440 It wasn't awkward, but it was like weird to be in there because it didn't feel clean.

00:13:49.660 And then we, so we got caffeined up and went into Rogan's and I was fucking nervous.

00:13:54.420 I'm like, I know his podcasts are long, three hours.

00:13:57.460 He's fucking super smart.

00:13:59.780 I feel like half retarded half the time.

00:14:01.760 Yeah, me too.

00:14:02.400 Around, you know, I'm like, God.

00:14:04.440 But I felt like it got, it went good.

00:14:06.420 Yeah.

00:14:06.760 At hour two, I feel completely, I feel like one of those people that got molested in the wheelchair.

00:14:11.340 Honestly, bro.

00:14:12.260 No offense.

00:14:13.020 But like, I feel at hour two, I don't know how he keeps going, man.

00:14:19.520 Yeah, it's impressive.

00:14:20.960 And he never has to get up and pee.

00:14:22.060 I think I, I don't remember if I got up and peed, but I remember having to pee, but he

00:14:26.480 always just fucking toughs it out.

00:14:28.740 Yeah.

00:14:28.880 I get afraid to pee in there.

00:14:30.020 Like I was like, yeah, I was, yeah, I was nervous.

00:14:32.780 Like, what do I do?

00:14:33.400 Just drink it?

00:14:34.080 Like, what do I do?

00:14:34.760 Like, what's it supposed to be?

00:14:38.040 Yeah.

00:14:38.120 What would Joe Rogan do?

00:14:39.820 Yeah.

00:14:40.100 Rogan's the fucking man.

00:14:41.120 It's crazy how, how influential he is nowadays too.

00:14:46.040 It's sweet though, like all the guests he have on there, he can have funny ass motherfuckers

00:14:49.600 on there or really, really smart motherfuckers on there or high level athletes and he can

00:14:53.820 relate with all of them and talk and have a good conversation.

00:14:57.060 It's smart, smart motherfucker.

00:14:58.580 It's sweet that we are able to listen to him like that.

00:15:00.920 Oh yeah, man.

00:15:01.840 Yeah.

00:15:02.020 He's so curious.

00:15:02.840 It's like, um, at a time it's funny at a time where, uh, where people kind of hurry

00:15:09.720 to make choices and decisions and hurry through everything.

00:15:12.680 It feels like, uh, he goes long form and he's so curious, like he genuinely like wants

00:15:19.040 to know stuff.

00:15:20.460 And I think it helps the rest of us, you know, learn.

00:15:22.820 Yeah, for sure.

00:15:23.500 I've learned a ton listening to his podcast for the, over the years.

00:15:27.240 Yeah.

00:15:28.000 Even like, like I've never, I don't know what the fuck, I don't know about politics.

00:15:31.560 I don't know what a Republican, I don't know what a Democrat, I don't know if I, I don't

00:15:34.560 know if I, the only politics I ever fucking never heard of is from, you know, Rogan's.

00:15:39.640 Yeah.

00:15:40.000 Pretty interested in listening to their perspectives on that.

00:15:42.880 Yeah.

00:15:42.960 When he had Bernie Sanders on, I thought it was real interesting because I didn't know

00:15:45.920 exactly like, I mean, you hear all these like little clips online and stuff, but to get

00:15:50.300 like a real idea of sitting down and listening to somebody, you get to know them a little

00:15:54.260 better, you know?

00:15:55.020 For sure.

00:15:55.540 I thought it was a lot more real.

00:15:57.020 Yeah, for sure.

00:15:57.720 I think that's how most of those talks should go.

00:16:00.120 Like the important ones.

00:16:01.680 Yeah.

00:16:01.920 Long conversations like that instead of like they say 30 seconds commercial.

00:16:06.580 Yeah.

00:16:06.960 Yeah.

00:16:07.120 It's fucking crazy.

00:16:09.180 Do, when you see this picture yourself, like we had a picture of you when you were up on

00:16:13.420 Rogan, that was like two years ago.

00:16:14.740 Yeah.

00:16:15.060 Is it interesting to look back at that guy?

00:16:17.220 Does it just seem like the same dude?

00:16:19.920 Yeah.

00:16:20.300 I feel like for me, you should always look, a couple of years is a long time to be able

00:16:24.560 to grow mentally.

00:16:25.360 Um, I feel like I learned cause that was right after my fight where I broke my foot.

00:16:30.980 Right.

00:16:31.400 So I was, I was learning a lot at that time.

00:16:35.660 I was kind of, I was on that, I was on that fucking rocket ship that I'm on now.

00:16:38.980 I was blowing up.

00:16:39.740 I won.

00:16:40.620 I won my debut.

00:16:42.140 I just won, won my second fight in the UFC.

00:16:44.740 I broke my foot, got a lot of attention because I fought with a broken foot for three minutes

00:16:49.660 to end up winning.

00:16:50.960 Um, and I don't think.

00:16:54.220 And your suspension came after that?

00:16:56.080 Yeah.

00:16:56.540 Right.

00:16:56.860 Right after?

00:16:57.440 Yeah.

00:16:57.520 July.

00:16:58.580 Fuck.

00:17:00.160 I don't remember that.

00:17:01.220 All that time feels like it was so, um, yeah, I think I got suspended after that, which

00:17:07.100 was another two years out and it was just fucking crazy.

00:17:11.080 That whole, that whole, from the time I broke my foot until that last fight against Jose

00:17:15.600 was, it was a little over two years and it was just so much.

00:17:20.260 I went through two surgeries, was, was on the Rogan, went through two suspensions.

00:17:24.820 Um, yeah, that was a long two years, but I feel like I learned so much about, about myself.

00:17:34.900 Um, and I'm just like way more grateful for what I had going through all that stuff.

00:17:39.600 Yeah.

00:17:40.020 I could imagine that sitting out and watching everything go on and just thinking, okay, where

00:17:44.720 would I be in this?

00:17:45.600 Would I be in this fight right here?

00:17:46.980 Like, was there a fighter during that time?

00:17:49.220 You're like, oh, that guy's taking my place.

00:17:51.380 Well, I was supposed to fight, I was supposed to fight El Teco, the kid I knocked out, um,

00:17:56.220 on March 7th.

00:17:56.980 I was supposed to fight him, got suspended and then my suspension was up and then I was

00:18:02.840 supposed to fight Cheeto and then I got suspended again.

00:18:06.460 So I was like, fuck, watching these guys fight.

00:18:09.060 And I'm like, I'm supposed to be fighting these guys.

00:18:10.180 But I did, I, like I said, I got those two surgeries, which made me way more of an athlete.

00:18:15.360 Like I felt like I needed those.

00:18:17.940 I had a torn labrum in my hip on both my UFC fights, uh, both my first and second UFC fight

00:18:22.720 I had the torn labrum.

00:18:23.620 So it was, it was affecting my performance a lot.

00:18:26.320 So I was able to get healthy.

00:18:28.080 Um, and I was able to do a lot of jujitsu, like really commit my entire life to jujitsu

00:18:32.980 and getting good where I was lacking.

00:18:34.580 Like that's where someone was going to beat me two years ago is if they took me down and

00:18:38.280 they could lay on me now, I don't feel like someone could do that.

00:18:40.840 So I looking back at it, it was the best thing that happened.

00:18:43.720 I was able to really commit to jujitsu and get a strength and conditioning program.

00:18:48.500 Um, the fight against Andre, I was walking around one 49 pry, like heaviest one 49.

00:18:53.440 The fight against El Teco, I was walking around one 57 and one 58.

00:18:56.540 So I was able to put on a lot of muscle that was like fucking, not just muscle to where

00:19:01.220 I'm like, God, I'm jacked, but muscle in all the right places.

00:19:04.240 My legs, my, everything was, we're, we're training, lifting for MMA.

00:19:10.660 Brandon Harris, my strength and conditioning coach is a fucking man.

00:19:13.140 We like, we were lifting for MMA.

00:19:15.260 So it was perfect.

00:19:16.340 Do you feel, is there a weight that you really feel the best at?

00:19:19.000 Do you feel like you're still learning it?

00:19:20.060 Cause I mean, even at your age, you're still kind of, your body's still kind of adjusting.

00:19:25.020 I mean, I'm 40, I'm older.

00:19:26.080 So it's like, I, you know, I know that my body kind of goes through some things where,

00:19:29.260 you know, sometimes it feels like, oh, it's pretty hype.

00:19:31.140 And sometimes it feels like, oh, okay, I'm still kind of figuring it out.

00:19:33.540 Yeah.

00:19:33.900 I hired this guy named Dan Garner.

00:19:35.860 He's a nutritionist.

00:19:38.340 We, we, I got my shit tested, my piss tested, my saliva tested, got everything tested and

00:19:45.560 figured out what causes inflammation.

00:19:47.240 Would you figure out you were fucking high as fuck?

00:19:48.740 No, I had to fucking shit in this little container and ship it off.

00:19:51.800 I'm like, it was weird.

00:19:53.000 Yeah.

00:19:53.220 But I got all that stuff tested so I can figure out what causes inflammation in my body

00:19:56.540 and what, what foods do really well.

00:19:58.720 So I got my diet dialed the fuck in like perfect.

00:20:01.860 I'm eating perfect in camp and I'm feeling like a fucking machine.

00:20:06.120 It's crazy.

00:20:06.800 When you eat perfect, those little injuries that you have in your wrist or your knee or

00:20:10.980 your back's tight, those little injuries go away.

00:20:13.260 They're not there anymore.

00:20:13.980 There's no more inflammation in my body because I'm eating the right food.

00:20:16.920 So with the, my food on point, like my diet's fucking perfect.

00:20:19.960 My, what my weight cut was good.

00:20:21.800 The strength and conditioning.

00:20:22.880 And then my, my MMA training, I'm like, I'm, everything's at such a high level as far as

00:20:29.260 my coaches that I'm just destined to be fucking great with everyone around me.

00:20:34.080 Right.

00:20:34.540 Being so high level.

00:20:35.080 You got the perfect package right now.

00:20:36.700 Do you feel, do you feel like, I know you just got off of a fight.

00:20:41.720 Do you, and I heard you talking about like, you know, you don't have a manager, right?

00:20:46.920 Right.

00:20:47.280 And I don't have a manager, right?

00:20:48.800 Like it's one way that I've just done my own business and there's things that I like about

00:20:52.760 it.

00:20:52.880 There's moments where I get scared where it's kind of like, okay, what do I do in this

00:20:56.680 instance a little bit?

00:20:57.440 Like this is where I would have an extra layer of protection to talk to someone.

00:21:00.580 I don't have to make those calls and stuff.

00:21:02.540 What's that experience kind of been like for you not having one?

00:21:05.300 Yeah.

00:21:05.540 For me, I've been like, I think a lot of fighters are fooled.

00:21:09.360 I'm like, you guys can't do this.

00:21:11.560 You guys are, some fighters give 20% of their purse.

00:21:15.340 They make a hundred thousand dollars.

00:21:16.240 They're giving 20,000 to their manager.

00:21:18.560 Yeah.

00:21:19.180 You know, mine was only 10%.

00:21:20.920 Right.

00:21:21.300 But still, I'm like, I'm going to give 10% of my manager because he signed a couple emails.

00:21:26.120 It feels weird, doesn't it?

00:21:26.900 And he negotiated my contract with the UFC when I was the one that was sitting there talking

00:21:31.040 to the UFC and he was sitting next to me, didn't say shit, didn't say a word.

00:21:34.560 And I'm sitting there talking.

00:21:35.560 So I had to pay him, you know, a lot of money to get out of the contract, but it was worth

00:21:41.120 it.

00:21:41.400 And as far as dealing with those things, you know, my dad's helped me out a lot.

00:21:45.380 Nice.

00:21:45.740 I have a lawyer to look over contracts.

00:21:47.300 That's perfect.

00:21:47.900 Yeah.

00:21:48.300 And then I have, I have other people that I can hit up if I need to that are in the industry

00:21:54.320 to ask questions.

00:21:55.280 Yeah.

00:21:55.600 So yeah, that's a big thing is how do I get through this moment?

00:21:58.000 Like what would you do here?

00:21:59.840 Exactly.

00:22:00.260 So that's, that's nice.

00:22:01.240 And just not burning bridges anywhere.

00:22:03.180 Just always having good relationships with so many people to, to be able to ask is nice,

00:22:08.200 but you know, I'm getting messages from other fighters, but Hey, you don't have a manager.

00:22:11.580 What's going on?

00:22:12.160 I'm like, dude, if you can sit down, like I sat down with UFC Sean Shelby and we talk,

00:22:16.100 he's like, I, there's some fighters I can't talk to.

00:22:18.740 I have to have that middle person because if I tell them, Hey, you're not worth this,

00:22:23.240 this is why.

00:22:24.140 And they get, no, I am.

00:22:26.180 I'm like, okay, I want me and you to sit down and be fair.

00:22:28.920 Talk to me.

00:22:29.500 Like I'm my own manager.

00:22:31.080 Don't talk to me.

00:22:31.520 Like I'm the fighter.

00:22:32.320 Let's be fucking fair.

00:22:34.340 I don't see why that's so hard, but I know they're trying to pay me the least amount

00:22:38.520 of money to go out there and fight.

00:22:39.720 And I'm trying to make myself the most amount of money.

00:22:41.760 Let's meet in the middle and be fucking fair.

00:22:43.460 And I think we're getting there.

00:22:45.360 I sat down with UFC after my last fight.

00:22:47.560 We didn't have a written out contract in numbers, but we agreed like, okay, this, this should

00:22:52.720 be fair.

00:22:53.140 So it's, it's getting done and it feels good to be like knowing I'm, I'm in charge of this

00:22:59.780 shit.

00:23:00.200 So it feels good.

00:23:01.160 Who are guys that you can reach out to?

00:23:03.640 Do you feel like, like, are there guys out there if you need suggestions as for negotiating

00:23:07.980 the contract?

00:23:08.660 Yeah.

00:23:08.860 Or just, yeah, that kind of stuff.

00:23:10.120 Like, or do you have kind of mentors within the business you feel like?

00:23:12.860 I feel like, um, um, for, for managing sponsorship contracts, I have a couple of people that I'm

00:23:22.880 working with right now without signing a contract with them just so I can ask them and they can

00:23:27.760 help me get contract.

00:23:28.760 But when it comes to just fight, I feel like I haven't had to reach out to anybody, but

00:23:33.160 if I did, I feel like I could reach out to a couple of people.

00:23:36.280 And even if they're like, nah, I can't help you.

00:23:38.160 Like even Chael Sonnen, like this motherfucker knows a lot of shit.

00:23:41.660 I have his number.

00:23:42.540 I've texted him a couple of times.

00:23:43.700 If I was like, I don't know what to do.

00:23:45.160 Maybe I'll ask Chael.

00:23:46.480 Yeah.

00:23:46.700 The motherfucker knows a lot.

00:23:47.680 Uh, I haven't reached out to him personally for anything really yet.

00:23:52.960 And if I have to someday, maybe I will.

00:23:54.660 But even Anthony Smith's in the UFC, he's a, yeah, he's a great guy.

00:23:58.040 He missed, or I was on the phone with him doing a podcast, doing their podcast.

00:24:01.300 He said, Hey, if you ever need anything or have any questions, reach out, let me know.

00:24:05.080 Guys like that.

00:24:05.700 And then obviously I have a bunch of friends at the UFC, but I feel like I'm, I'm doing

00:24:09.600 good right now and I'm, I'm taking care of what needs to be taken care of.

00:24:12.580 And if I'm happy with my contract.

00:24:14.320 Right.

00:24:14.480 That's a big thing.

00:24:15.120 Yeah.

00:24:15.240 You know, if you're happy or not.

00:24:16.400 Yeah.

00:24:16.720 Yeah.

00:24:16.940 So I think, uh, and so far, um, it's going good.

00:24:20.500 Yeah.

00:24:20.680 Yeah.

00:24:20.920 It's nice.

00:24:22.520 What, uh, what have you been doing in your downtime?

00:24:24.640 Like say you get off of a fight, like, you know, you got, maybe, do you guys take a week

00:24:28.020 off?

00:24:28.420 What does that look like?

00:24:29.540 Dude.

00:24:30.120 You guys go to the water slot or something?

00:24:31.580 You guys do water slots?

00:24:32.460 If I could take a week off, that'd be crazy.

00:24:34.600 My, I fucking enjoy training so much.

00:24:37.980 It's part of, it's just part of life.

00:24:40.500 Like I fucking love it.

00:24:41.940 Mom, a water slide sounds pretty fun.

00:24:45.760 No, but I don't know.

00:24:48.120 It training is just part of life and I enjoy, I enjoy it so much.

00:24:51.400 We train, um, you know, when I'm in camp, I don't smoke.

00:24:55.320 So I enjoyed smoking outside of camp, whether I'm like last Sunday was pro I got high as

00:25:02.560 shit.

00:25:02.940 Yeah.

00:25:03.100 Have you rolled in, have you rolled gi in jujitsu?

00:25:05.360 Uh, like in the butter you mean?

00:25:08.260 Gi.

00:25:09.760 No, in a gi like the looking pajamas.

00:25:11.820 Oh yeah.

00:25:12.880 I know what you're talking about.

00:25:14.320 Yeah.

00:25:14.740 I got high as shit.

00:25:16.120 I took a puff off this sativa joint Sunday and we did flow.

00:25:21.240 I flowed for the most part.

00:25:22.580 My shins fucking bruised as shit and it hurts to even touch.

00:25:25.400 But I did jujitsu.

00:25:26.160 That's probably the most fun practice I've ever had in my life.

00:25:28.460 Just flowing in a gi, going from positions to positions.

00:25:32.180 And, uh, I just really enjoy training jujitsu.

00:25:36.020 Um, I enjoy hitting mitts and stuff, but we, we usually hit mitts and really up the striking

00:25:40.620 in camp when we have a fight booked and sparring.

00:25:42.740 I don't really, I don't spar outside of, outside of camp, just pretty much do jujitsu and strength

00:25:47.700 and conditioning.

00:25:48.500 But what's your like finishing move?

00:25:49.980 Do you have like a finishing?

00:25:50.820 Oh, I got a fuck ton.

00:25:51.820 I have more finishing techniques than anybody ever because I can stand both stances and

00:25:57.200 do everything from both stances.

00:25:58.880 And I have, I have just as much power in my left hand as my right hand and my, like everything's

00:26:04.760 just the sugar show, man.

00:26:06.100 It's fucking sweet.

00:26:06.760 It is.

00:26:07.220 It's fucking sweet.

00:26:08.160 And I've had, I've had a lot of sweet finishes.

00:26:11.240 I don't know if you've seen the one where I head kicked that dude.

00:26:12.980 Yeah.

00:26:13.480 That one, that one's one of my all time.

00:26:15.200 That's what I was really looking for.

00:26:16.660 I thought I was going to catch Eddie with that.

00:26:18.440 Um, because his hands were so low.

00:26:20.720 I thought I was going to catch him with something spinning, but he kind of fights like he's from

00:26:23.640 almost like the 1800s or something.

00:26:24.940 You know, he comes in like he just got off a shit.

00:26:26.620 Yeah.

00:26:26.900 He was the nicest motherfucker too.

00:26:28.940 I legitimately felt bad knocking him out as he was fluttering down.

00:26:33.820 Yeah.

00:26:35.260 Yeah.

00:26:35.620 Does that happen sometimes?

00:26:36.760 Is there times where you get in there and because sometimes like I'll even notice like

00:26:40.920 just talking to friends of mine who were in the sport, uh, even just talking to friends

00:26:45.780 of mine who were in the sport.

00:26:46.680 Oh, wow.

00:26:47.400 Yeah.

00:26:47.580 I dropped him with my left hand.

00:26:49.280 Bink.

00:26:49.880 Boom.

00:26:50.920 Yeah.

00:26:51.260 And, and that, that was a couple of years ago, but another walk off.

00:26:54.640 You think he could have gotten, you how, you think if they would have

00:26:56.860 given him, he's out left-handed.

00:27:00.680 Dink.

00:27:01.160 You think guys ever pretend to be out?

00:27:03.760 I bet they do this.

00:27:05.560 Dink.

00:27:06.160 Oh yeah.

00:27:06.720 No, I killed him basically.

00:27:07.840 No.

00:27:08.140 Yeah.

00:27:08.400 They, uh, that I on Kutalaba fight versus, uh, Megamed.

00:27:13.400 He was kind of acting like he was rocked and then they, they stopped the fight.

00:27:16.980 I believe that.

00:27:17.720 I believe that.

00:27:18.600 It's probably scary getting rocked and you're like, ah, just get me out of here.

00:27:21.660 Yeah.

00:27:22.280 And you can't climb out of the top, right?

00:27:24.120 That'd be sweet.

00:27:24.820 If someone did that, that'd be fucking sweet.

00:27:27.580 But you can't do it.

00:27:28.720 Well, they don't put a top on it.

00:27:30.080 No, they, they probably, you know, DQ you or whatever.

00:27:32.700 But if you're ever getting fucked up, just climb out.

00:27:34.380 I'm getting fucked up.

00:27:34.880 I'm dipping.

00:27:35.820 Take habit.

00:27:37.540 Get crack.

00:27:38.140 I'm dipping.

00:27:38.920 I would climb out of the top easily.

00:27:42.720 Now, can you legally climb onto the top and jump off of that or you can't?

00:27:46.820 Ooh.

00:27:47.940 See, I don't know if, uh, you can't grab inside the fence, but you could kind of run up the

00:27:52.940 cage probably.

00:27:54.420 But, uh, see, that's another finish we got somewhere locked in, like is a cage kick.

00:27:59.220 Like I know Anthony Pettis hit that on Benson, but he didn't finish him.

00:28:02.720 There hasn't really been any sweet finishes jumping off the cage.

00:28:05.880 Right.

00:28:06.080 And, and we definitely could, could land something like that soon.

00:28:10.240 Yeah.

00:28:10.560 Cause I want to know how sweet the, the sugar show can get.

00:28:13.180 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:13.900 I want to see you make somebody disappear.

00:28:15.440 No, I could probably do that.

00:28:16.740 We're just getting started.

00:28:17.900 Like I'm 25 and, and I, I got easily another 10 years.

00:28:22.240 Yeah.

00:28:22.680 You know, but the way I eat and the way I train and the way I take care of my body, I'm still

00:28:27.720 going to be, I think 36, 37, 38, I'm still going to be fucking good.

00:28:32.420 Yeah.

00:28:32.640 So I plan on being in this sport for a long time and getting a lot of fucking sweet finishes.

00:28:37.800 So when you're out there, when, whenever you, whenever you get in, into the, into the

00:28:43.060 octagon, do you think about like, are you already kind of thinking about the finish as

00:28:47.460 the fight goes on?

00:28:48.300 If it starts to feel comfortable or you start to think like, oh, I can finish this right

00:28:52.640 now, but I'm going to wait a minute.

00:28:53.960 Has that ever kind of happened?

00:28:55.400 Or it's not like that there's too much intensity in that last fight.

00:29:00.040 When I hit him with that body kick, the spinning body kick, I've dropped a lot of people with

00:29:04.320 that.

00:29:04.680 And that motherfucker was so tough.

00:29:06.260 He tried toughing it out.

00:29:07.560 If you get, have you ever been hitting the liver hard?

00:29:09.280 Your body just freezes up.

00:29:11.140 You get like paralyzed.

00:29:11.760 Wayne hit me one time, dude.

00:29:13.380 And bro, I still fucking, every time I eat a snicker, my fucking body hurts a little.

00:29:17.960 But he still tried, like after I landed that, I'm taking this dude out.

00:29:21.580 I knew I was going to take him out because of that, that just hitting someone with that

00:29:26.160 shot is so dangerous and so powerful.

00:29:28.540 And I've landed it so many times.

00:29:30.400 And at that point, do you start to feel like a hunter at that point?

00:29:32.640 Yeah.

00:29:32.980 I felt like, okay, I'm getting this dude out of here, but I wanted that spin kick.

00:29:36.160 I missed it barely because I hit him with the left body kick deep and I threw a right,

00:29:40.740 right hook and it landed hard.

00:29:42.500 And then I switched stances and threw a spinning kick.

00:29:44.700 Cause that's what I wanted for the finish.

00:29:45.940 But that's in that moment, I knew I was about to get him out of there.

00:29:49.540 That's why I spun.

00:29:50.480 And I was, I tried to take his fucking head off, spun myself around.

00:29:54.780 But I knew I had him hurt and I did think, okay, how am I going to finish this dude?

00:29:57.720 And that's why I wanted that spin kick bad, but then it missed.

00:30:00.940 And I was like, I don't want to gas myself out.

00:30:03.420 Just dinked him.

00:30:04.900 Yeah.

00:30:05.680 Do you, do you feel like, like, what do you, do you think there's something unique about

00:30:12.020 your body type or just like there's some gift that makes it how you're able to kind

00:30:18.740 of flow the way that you do?

00:30:20.480 Like, where do you think it comes from?

00:30:21.440 Do you think that it just comes from training?

00:30:23.100 Do you think, like, what do you really feel like?

00:30:25.400 Yeah.

00:30:25.580 I feel like I was definitely gifted athletically just being an athlete and being able to move

00:30:31.740 the way I do.

00:30:33.260 Um, I played basketball, football, soccer, baseball growing up till I was about 16.

00:30:37.820 That's when I started kickboxing.

00:30:38.760 But I think playing all of those sports made me like a pretty good athlete.

00:30:42.660 Um, and, and then once I started kickboxing, I was never really taught hands up, left hand,

00:30:48.560 like how to throw properly.

00:30:50.460 Yeah.

00:30:50.780 Cause we'd just go and spar and I would, I think I would just flow, switch stances, throw

00:30:55.240 shit.

00:30:55.780 And it would, that just became my style, just switching stances and doing stuff like that.

00:30:59.780 And then slowly kind of build it on that.

00:31:02.700 But you know, a lot of coaches were like, no, you can't do that.

00:31:05.720 You're going to, you're going to get beat up.

00:31:07.340 You're going to get knocked out.

00:31:08.180 Put your hands up.

00:31:08.840 I've been told that literally since I started fighting.

00:31:11.940 Right.

00:31:12.220 Like some people get mad at me.

00:31:13.580 Put your fucking hands up while I'm sparring.

00:31:16.160 But you like to do it your way.

00:31:17.460 But I'm like, my, I ain't getting hit.

00:31:19.240 My hands are, these 16 ounce gloves are too fucking heavy for my little ass arms to pull

00:31:22.960 out.

00:31:23.180 I'm going to keep them down low.

00:31:24.680 And, uh, that's just kind of how I've developed my style and it, and it's worked out.

00:31:28.900 And then I think, um, the work I put in is not just fucking hard work, but I work smart.

00:31:35.020 Yeah.

00:31:35.180 I have a hot tub at home, a cold plunge at home, a sauna at home, a mat room where

00:31:38.820 I can stretch a foam roll.

00:31:39.920 I have all these tools to where I can recover and, and, and eat perfect.

00:31:44.440 And then I can go train hard the next day.

00:31:46.440 And if I don't, if I don't feel like I can train hard, I'll take that day off.

00:31:50.060 And, and I think Michael Bisbing's coach said, uh, it takes confidence to take a day off.

00:31:54.820 Cause when you have a fight coming up that you're thinking, fuck, I got to get in shape for

00:31:58.240 that fight.

00:31:58.540 I can't take today off.

00:32:00.080 And that's where a lot of people get hurt.

00:32:01.840 Um, but I feel like there's a way to properly rest.

00:32:05.180 I'm so in tune with my body.

00:32:06.280 I know what it needs to do.

00:32:07.560 I know if I need to rest, I know.

00:32:08.800 I know if I can push.

00:32:10.320 Um, so I think that, that helps me get that confidence to get in the cage and get into

00:32:15.820 that flow state where I'm just purely confident.

00:32:20.660 Do you feel like in y'all's, uh, I know we're talking about kind of like moving weight and

00:32:24.700 stuff.

00:32:24.940 Is there anybody that's kind of like retired or anything that you, whenever you, over

00:32:28.700 the past few years, you're like, Oh fuck, I was hoping maybe somewhere in the back of

00:32:32.360 my head one day to get to fight that guy.

00:32:35.240 I think, I think Henry will, uh, I think that'll be a fight someday.

00:32:39.660 It could be a big fight.

00:32:40.840 So who did the caballero, huh?

00:32:43.580 Um, I think that could be a big fight someday.

00:32:46.380 He got really offended.

00:32:47.640 I don't know if you've seen my comments after my fight.

00:32:49.660 They asked me about him retiring.

00:32:51.440 About his girlfriend.

00:32:52.100 You mean?

00:32:52.380 I said, he's 30.

00:32:53.120 He got his first girlfriend.

00:32:53.860 He got really, that stung him.

00:32:56.020 Really?

00:32:56.220 He posted on his Instagram.

00:32:57.500 He went on Joe Rogan.

00:32:58.320 Let's talk about Sean O'Malley.

00:33:00.120 Like got a, so that poked at him.

00:33:02.300 So if someone's that insecure and easy to poke at, he's going to want to fight me.

00:33:05.800 Right.

00:33:06.420 But if he's smart, he probably won't because he, he said, well, he needs to work on his

00:33:11.060 wrestling and jujitsu.

00:33:11.740 I guess his jujitsu is getting pretty good.

00:33:13.240 That's what he said on Rogan.

00:33:14.420 But like I'm telling you, people think, oh, let's just take him down.

00:33:18.320 I'm going to choke them or I'm going to, I'm going to do, I'm going to submit them or

00:33:22.120 I'm going to get back up.

00:33:22.840 It's not going to be, it's not going to be like they grab me, take me down and the fight's

00:33:25.880 over.

00:33:26.260 Right.

00:33:26.480 I'm going to either get back up or I'm going to choke them off my back, elbow them.

00:33:29.500 It's not going to, it's, um, I can, I can scrap.

00:33:31.720 I can get scrappy down there.

00:33:33.940 Um, so that could be a big fight someday.

00:33:36.100 I don't think he's done.

00:33:37.240 I think he's, you know, if you're in your prime for, I don't know, it's for me, if I'm

00:33:41.380 in my prime, it's hard to put yourself in that position because you retire as the king

00:33:46.700 or do you, cause I heard you talk about this.

00:33:48.720 Like you'd like to just keep going until I'd almost rather lose and be like, I, I try,

00:33:52.460 I gave him everything instead of no, I'm too insecure.

00:33:55.040 My ego is too big to lose.

00:33:56.540 What do you think is a weakness in his game?

00:33:58.260 I mean, I mean, his, that's, he's, he's the highest level you get.

00:34:01.920 That's, that's a high level black belt MMA fighter.

00:34:04.340 He can box, he can wrestle.

00:34:06.160 Um, I don't know about his jujitsu, but when you're wrestling that high level, he doesn't

00:34:09.000 almost need that much jujitsu.

00:34:10.360 If he gets the takedown, he can control on the top, posture up, ground and pound.

00:34:13.760 He's, he's fucking really, really good.

00:34:15.980 He's definitely the best bantamweight.

00:34:17.800 And then he retired.

00:34:18.760 Obviously was Cruz's last fight or he had one more after that.

00:34:21.260 Uh, no, Cruz was the last one.

00:34:23.060 Do you think that would be a fight for you?

00:34:24.640 I mean, do you think that, I think I'd knock Cruz out too.

00:34:26.900 I think his style, um, just, I feel like I'd knock them all out.

00:34:32.240 So it's hard to say, but yeah.

00:34:33.880 But if you had your choice, like say it's, you know, you get up in the morning, you have

00:34:36.860 a full day of knocking people out.

00:34:38.280 Ooh.

00:34:38.700 Okay.

00:34:39.200 Who do you knock out for breakfast?

00:34:40.860 Who do you knock out for lunch?

00:34:42.160 And who do you knock out for that tasty late meal?

00:34:45.100 I'd probably throw a fourth one in there too.

00:34:46.540 Cause I get snacky when I get high.

00:34:48.060 Okay.

00:34:48.260 So I'd knock out Cody for breakfast.

00:34:50.880 Okay.

00:34:51.300 Get my blood moving.

00:34:52.300 Okay.

00:34:53.000 I'd probably knock out TJ after that.

00:34:55.340 Oh wow.

00:34:55.640 Just like a little brunch.

00:34:56.680 Yeah.

00:34:57.380 Um, then I'd knock out Dominic and then I'd knee Henry in the face while he's shooting.

00:35:03.520 So I'd probably just do those four and then call it and then probably call out Connor.

00:35:07.520 Wow.

00:35:07.940 Yeah.

00:35:08.400 Just for that midnight.

00:35:09.200 Just for fun.

00:35:10.060 And then Habib.

00:35:10.840 No, fuck that.

00:35:11.500 I wouldn't fight Habib.

00:35:12.240 Fuck that.

00:35:12.820 Habib's crazy, huh?

00:35:13.680 I don't want none of that.

00:35:14.540 Now, when you see a guy like Habib fight, I mean, he's, uh, you know, one thing that,

00:35:19.700 you know, whenever he was fighting, whenever him and Dustin fought, I almost wished that,

00:35:25.380 and this is, look, I admit I'm a newcomer to the sport, but I almost wished that for

00:35:29.780 a certain amount of the fight, they had to be on their feet and then a certain amount

00:35:33.080 of the fight that they didn't have to be, they couldn't be.

00:35:35.080 Right.

00:35:35.480 That'd be interesting.

00:35:36.940 No.

00:35:37.200 Yeah.

00:35:37.320 Because that, that, that changes the whole game.

00:35:39.100 Dustin could, Dustin's got some of the best boxing in the UFC.

00:35:42.800 He's got really good fucking hands.

00:35:44.220 He's, he's got a sweet fight coming up versus Dan Hooker.

00:35:46.560 Yeah.

00:35:46.840 That's going to be a great fight, man.

00:35:48.340 But yeah.

00:35:48.800 And then when you fight Habib, it's, it's just such a, it's like wearing like, you know

00:35:53.520 that blanket they sell you on the internet all the time?

00:35:55.500 It weighs like 80 pounds or something.

00:35:57.100 Yeah.

00:35:57.640 And it won't leave you alone.

00:35:59.440 Yeah.

00:35:59.780 It's like somebody bought you seven of those for Christmas, dude.

00:36:02.760 Yeah.

00:36:03.340 That would be a, yeah, that, that, that would be a tough fight to even prepare for and just.

00:36:09.200 Yeah.

00:36:09.560 It's almost like you just have to hide yourself under a bunch of rocks and then just fucking.

00:36:12.580 Yeah.

00:36:12.780 Just, yeah, that's a good, that'd be a good way to train for it.

00:36:15.700 Lay under a bunch of rocks and practice getting up.

00:36:18.420 Yeah.

00:36:18.900 Fuck, dude.

00:36:19.500 Yeah.

00:36:19.640 That's a tough fight.

00:36:20.400 I was, he almost had that guillotine.

00:36:21.680 That guillotine was tight.

00:36:22.600 Habib even said that was fucking tight.

00:36:24.300 Yeah.

00:36:24.640 Could you imagine if, if he would have finished that, that would have been legendary.

00:36:28.020 That would have been insane.

00:36:28.620 But I do think Justin Gaethje does have a, has a pretty good chance against him.

00:36:34.040 Compared to the, you know, the rest of guys Habib's fought as far as their wrestling accolades.

00:36:40.120 Like Justin could definitely give him a fucking fight.

00:36:43.320 Yeah.

00:36:43.820 Have you watched much of him?

00:36:45.360 I haven't watched a ton of him.

00:36:46.520 I've watched maybe three of his fights.

00:36:47.380 Just like the recent, the recent ones?

00:36:48.640 Yeah.

00:36:49.020 I guess, let me think.

00:36:50.720 The one with Tony you probably watched.

00:36:52.000 Yep.

00:36:52.280 I definitely watched that one.

00:36:53.380 That was unbelievable.

00:36:54.140 Dude, that's the only fight you gotta watch to fucking love Justin Gaethje.

00:36:57.380 And I loved, you know what, I actually love, it made me really love both of them really.

00:37:01.300 Yeah.

00:37:01.440 Because it made me respect Tony at like a, just watching these guys.

00:37:05.220 Like you're talking to a guy, like my big thing when I was young was kind of getting my ass beat.

00:37:08.960 Yeah.

00:37:09.320 That's sick.

00:37:09.900 That's cool.

00:37:10.860 Dude, it is pretty cool.

00:37:11.820 I like so.

00:37:12.760 Dude, like I almost, even when you, when you were coming today, I was like, man, I almost

00:37:15.900 wanted him to fucking knock me out.

00:37:17.320 Boom, hit you with some shit.

00:37:18.440 Yeah.

00:37:18.860 Just so I could like be a part of it.

00:37:20.220 That would be fun.

00:37:20.760 We could spar, because I sparred this kid from Canada.

00:37:23.420 I flew him down.

00:37:24.420 He was one of my Twitch subscribers and we sparred.

00:37:26.860 We did three threes.

00:37:27.580 Tim was the ref.

00:37:28.980 And it's on my YouTube.

00:37:29.580 Is it pretty cool?

00:37:30.020 It's on my YouTube.

00:37:30.720 It's fucking hilarious because he was never, he always talks shit to me, but like in a friendly

00:37:35.620 way.

00:37:36.080 Right.

00:37:36.440 And it was just fun as shit.

00:37:37.640 But, but he started jujitsu after that and he stayed consistent, which is cool.

00:37:40.820 Oh, that's awesome.

00:37:41.420 But it was a perfect, like I obviously know my, know my control.

00:37:45.200 And, uh, yeah, we did it at the lab.

00:37:47.420 So I didn't beat him up bad to where he left like hurt, but I, he was puking tired and just

00:37:52.420 like, wow, it was, it was one of the, it, it was my favorite fight I've ever been in.

00:37:56.640 It was so fucking funny.

00:37:58.460 I think Theo might catch you though.

00:38:00.040 It might put you to sleep.

00:38:01.180 Yeah.

00:38:01.440 Theo might catch me with the right hand.

00:38:03.240 Yeah.

00:38:03.580 I would probably use my legs more.

00:38:06.520 No, but we should.

00:38:07.500 That would be a fucking good ass video and it would be fun.

00:38:09.620 It's good for, I would like to learn that.

00:38:11.960 Cause it feels almost to see what that's like.

00:38:14.460 Like, um, one thing that I, that, that was awesome.

00:38:17.420 The first time that Dustin came on, he was talking about like whenever you go through

00:38:20.320 a fight, like whenever you get through a fight, like win or lose, like you learn, there's

00:38:26.020 like, you learn something about yourself at like a, at a level that we can't really duplicate.

00:38:30.680 Unless it's that.

00:38:31.480 Unless it's that.

00:38:32.060 Dude, I agree 100%.

00:38:33.540 That and weight cuts.

00:38:34.900 I think everyone should go through a weight cut and a fist fight, like kickboxing fight.

00:38:40.540 Yeah.

00:38:41.300 The weight cuts are so, it's crazy what goes through your mind when you're those last couple

00:38:46.000 days.

00:38:46.820 It feels kind of Native American, doesn't it?

00:38:49.040 What do you mean?

00:38:49.800 Like, I feel like the weight cuts, like I feel like when you get to those last couple

00:38:52.560 pounds.

00:38:53.420 I mean, dude, I almost, I didn't eat for six days once and almost fucking ate a dude

00:38:57.280 at Best Buy.

00:38:57.920 Yeah.

00:38:58.020 I almost fucking bit into it.

00:38:58.680 Just on purpose?

00:38:59.580 Fasting?

00:39:00.160 Or what?

00:39:00.380 Yeah.

00:39:01.040 I almost bit into a fucking guy at Best Buy.

00:39:02.700 I believe it.

00:39:03.220 You get crazy.

00:39:04.020 A beautiful guy.

00:39:04.260 A beautiful, yeah.

00:39:05.000 I mean, he looked fucking, like you start to think of a dude, like if the power went out,

00:39:09.560 this dude's gonna die.

00:39:10.440 Yeah, he's dead.

00:39:11.260 Especially if you know some Jiu Jitsu.

00:39:12.640 Oh, yeah.

00:39:12.960 Then you get that real confidence, like he can kill you and eat you.

00:39:15.860 That's what's so powerful about Jiu Jitsu.

00:39:17.940 Really?

00:39:18.220 You know you're in the, if you know you're in a fucking place and you gotta eat, you

00:39:22.880 can kill them, eat them.

00:39:24.320 Right.

00:39:24.720 Yeah, you have that new skill.

00:39:25.900 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 Yeah, because otherwise I gotta like convince people.

00:39:27.580 Hit them with a fucking bat or something.

00:39:29.020 Yeah, I gotta sneak up.

00:39:29.980 Yeah.

00:39:30.160 I gotta poison them.

00:39:31.000 As long as you just learn a rear naked choke, a good clean one, and you can sneak up on anybody

00:39:34.960 and eat them.

00:39:36.460 Yeah, but those last few days through a weight cut, like Thursday morning, I wake up, I'm

00:39:40.600 like, all right, today's gonna suck.

00:39:41.900 Yeah.

00:39:42.260 Damn near no water and hardly any food.

00:39:44.500 But then you also, what goes through my mind also is like, there's like the, people suffer

00:39:51.700 way worse in other countries that don't have food or water.

00:39:56.500 Like I can go shower, a clean water, and people don't have that.

00:40:00.460 So it's always a good perspective to remind yourself, like, okay, life's still fucking

00:40:04.640 good.

00:40:05.320 You can look at pictures of food on your phone.

00:40:07.080 Yeah.

00:40:07.380 You can be great, just being grateful for the things that you, yeah, that we still have.

00:40:10.880 But that's what's so good about those weight cuts is it can really show you, like teach

00:40:15.560 you a lot.

00:40:16.820 And it's a pro, and it's also like, it's really, I never thought about this, but it's kind

00:40:20.260 of like a, it's like a, almost a red carpet up to the fighting.

00:40:23.240 It almost, it's like a respect, because they're doing it as well.

00:40:26.260 Yeah.

00:40:26.740 So it's like both you guys are kind of like, we're gonna condition ourselves for this war

00:40:31.180 we're about to go into.

00:40:32.040 Fuck yeah.

00:40:32.180 And the thing about weight cutting too, is like, if this guy doesn't know, if he's not

00:40:37.660 eating perfect, like I am, and he's not doing exactly what he needs to do, like I got that

00:40:43.740 shit down to a science.

00:40:44.740 I'm doing everything perfect.

00:40:46.100 And this guy's not, that's an advantage for me going into the fight.

00:40:48.980 Yeah.

00:40:49.320 And I feel like, if I feel like whoever I'm fighting is not going to be doing the exact

00:40:54.460 thing that I'm doing.

00:40:55.320 And I feel like I'm always going to have a little advantage there.

00:40:57.480 So it's a good mentally going into the fight too, especially some guys like, we'll weigh

00:41:02.160 in before that fight when I fought Jose, we weighed in.

00:41:07.220 Quindieres, is that his name?

00:41:08.280 Quinones?

00:41:08.940 Yeah, Jose Quinones.

00:41:10.260 We walked, walked past the buffet or whatever.

00:41:13.360 And these fighters just weighed in like an hour ago and they're eating French toast and

00:41:17.840 syrup and just a bunch of shit that's going to just fuck you up.

00:41:21.540 It's probably fucking Brendan, dude.

00:41:23.460 If anybody.

00:41:24.380 Brendan.

00:41:25.100 He probably did that shit.

00:41:26.260 Oh, Brendan, definitely.

00:41:27.480 Anyway, dude, one time he fucking showed me a rare stick of butter he got from someone.

00:41:32.760 In his pocket?

00:41:33.680 From another country.

00:41:34.520 And he checked this out?

00:41:35.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:35.840 That's fucking sweet.

00:41:36.480 He's like, don't tell nobody.

00:41:37.660 That's fucking sweet.

00:41:39.160 But yeah, fighting's a fucking crazy sport.

00:41:41.460 And then the weight cut on top of it's almost a sport itself.

00:41:44.680 Yeah, it seems like that.

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00:45:33.660 We had a question that came in here.

00:45:35.120 We got a young fella right here that sent in a question for us.

00:45:37.480 Let's get into it right here.

00:45:39.180 This beautiful white right here.

00:45:40.840 Whoa.

00:45:41.760 Bunch of beautiful whites.

00:45:42.880 Yeah.

00:45:43.400 What's up, boys?

00:45:44.720 Brady from Asheville, North Carolina.

00:45:46.900 Montana, originally from Montana, 406.

00:45:51.520 Sean, my question for you is, with Tim being your best friend and your head coach, do you

00:45:58.700 ever find it difficult knowing when to turn off one of those relationships and have him

00:46:03.420 be just your coach or just your best friend?

00:46:07.440 So I got gang, gang, buzz, buzz.

00:46:09.560 Gang, bro.

00:46:10.260 Gang, gang.

00:46:10.900 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:46:11.720 I actually get asked that quite a bit.

00:46:13.620 And I feel like even when it's coaching, we're still fucking around.

00:46:19.080 Right.

00:46:19.220 But we know when it's a serious, hey, this, I don't know.

00:46:24.380 I feel like we've never had an issue with that to where it's like, hey, I'm coaching

00:46:27.380 right now.

00:46:27.840 We always know, like, the goal is world champ.

00:46:31.140 I want to be the best ever.

00:46:32.780 And both you guys have the same goal.

00:46:34.220 And we have that goal in mind.

00:46:35.420 So we know when to fuck around and when to turn it off and train.

00:46:39.680 And we've never had an issue with that.

00:46:41.900 Tim, now let's hear your side of it.

00:46:43.880 Yeah, same shit.

00:46:44.760 As soon as we get in the gym and it's time to work, we're there to fucking work.

00:46:48.780 We still fuck around.

00:46:50.000 But like I said, that's the main goal is to be world champ.

00:46:52.980 So once it's time to get that session done, we get it done.

00:46:56.260 Yeah.

00:46:57.240 Recently, like, obviously, you know, like, I was watching some of your interviews and

00:47:00.740 stuff.

00:47:01.020 And there's times in it where I'm like, oh, Sean's very confident.

00:47:03.900 And then I'm like, Sean is very flamboyant.

00:47:05.960 You know, he's like, he's a show.

00:47:07.000 You know, they call it the sugar show.

00:47:08.500 You know, and I start to get like, okay, I kind of see what's going on here.

00:47:12.500 Sometimes you say stuff and I'm like, Jesus, I can't believe you said that.

00:47:15.820 Like, I go through all these range of emotions when I'm watching your interviews.

00:47:19.380 Right.

00:47:20.120 Do you know, like, like, do you start to, and I noticed this myself as I started to

00:47:25.640 get more popularity, like your ego is a thing that lives inside of you.

00:47:29.300 And it's kind of scary sometimes because it's like, okay, what's confidence?

00:47:33.480 What's ego?

00:47:34.820 When do I kind of turn one on and turn, you know, do you notice some of that inside of

00:47:40.640 yourself?

00:47:41.000 Yeah, when I wear my sugar chain, sugar's out.

00:47:43.980 That's my ego.

00:47:44.560 I know, I know, I know when I need to do, well, like at the gym, I want people to treat

00:47:49.040 me as Sean.

00:47:50.080 Right.

00:47:50.180 Like, I got this, and I feel like I do a really good job about turning that off and

00:47:53.320 being, and not being in my head like I'm, I'm sugar.

00:47:57.240 I'm the man.

00:47:57.760 I'm the fucking, I knock people out.

00:47:59.420 But when I do interviews, I kind of just, I just, I feel like when the confidence, the

00:48:06.840 confidence is real.

00:48:07.680 It's true.

00:48:08.000 I think people can tell when someone's really confident when they're trying to fake it.

00:48:11.260 Um, that's probably my ego too, but almost in a healthy way.

00:48:15.660 You, well, you need, I feel like you need that if you want to get to the level that you

00:48:20.040 want to get to, because it seems like you not only want to be a champion, you want to

00:48:22.840 be a, I want to be one of the best to ever fight.

00:48:28.760 Like I think, and I think with my athletic ability and my skillset that's constantly

00:48:32.520 improving, I, I'm going to be, I can definitely get there.

00:48:35.560 Um, I think, yeah.

00:48:36.720 And it's always a battle ego and your true self and, and being like when I'm at home with

00:48:42.360 Danny, my girl, our relationship is so good and it's like, it's me, it's Sean and Danny.

00:48:49.500 Um, and if it's sugar and Danny, there's, it collides almost in a way it's hard to, it's

00:48:53.820 hard to talk about the ego too.

00:48:56.580 Yeah, no, it's hard to talk about.

00:48:57.560 And look, I, I, it's, it's interesting.

00:48:59.200 Yeah, it is interesting.

00:48:59.960 But, and then we listened to guys like Eckhart Tolle and, and fucking.

00:49:05.180 Ryan Holiday.

00:49:05.740 Ryan, yeah.

00:49:06.280 Ryan Holiday, the, the stoic books and, and, um, who's the awareness guy?

00:49:11.120 Oh, uh.

00:49:11.800 Anthony DeMello.

00:49:12.520 Anthony DeMello.

00:49:13.560 And just listening to fucking these smart guys talk about, and, and talk about happiness

00:49:18.820 and what's true happiness and, and stuff like that.

00:49:21.700 It's, it's a trip to think about my ego and then my, my real self, my true self.

00:49:27.560 Almost.

00:49:28.560 And, and understanding that I have an ego and I can't be, I can't get stuck in that

00:49:33.340 ego.

00:49:33.780 Right.

00:49:33.920 After the fight, I got to come back to Sean when I'm home.

00:49:36.900 Right.

00:49:37.220 When I'm at home and it's with my dogs and Danny, I'm, I got to be Sean.

00:49:40.620 I can't constantly be that ego.

00:49:43.460 You get lost in that fucking world.

00:49:45.360 Oh, it could be scary.

00:49:46.040 You get lost in your ego and then you're never yourself.

00:49:48.080 And then it's like harder to bring back, hard to come back to your true self.

00:49:51.500 So I feel like I do good about mixing it up and knowing when to be sugar and knowing when

00:49:56.580 to be Sean.

00:49:58.440 Sugar's next.

00:49:59.260 So sugar's obviously, you know, like, um, there's a couple of ways you could kind of do

00:50:03.480 the next couple of years of your life, you know, and, and, you know, you could go kind

00:50:09.380 of, I bet if they wanted to, they would offer you, yeah, you want to fight, you know, you'd

00:50:14.960 have a bunch of guys that might be pissed, but if you want to fight straight up, you know,

00:50:18.320 if you want to go, you know, and get closer to the top and have a chance at the, at the

00:50:22.660 strap now, or it's like, do you want to take your way up?

00:50:25.860 Like, what do you, what do you feel like is truly going to be best for you?

00:50:29.240 There's, you know, UFC is a business, a really, really smart, intelligent business.

00:50:33.820 And I'm a fucking star in the making.

00:50:36.680 Like, it's clear the audience is attracted to what I have to put out and I'm a high level

00:50:42.540 performer.

00:50:43.320 So they got to build me like a business like they did Connor.

00:50:47.800 Um, but me as a fighter, I'm like, I can like fight.

00:50:51.400 I feel like I'm the best.

00:50:53.080 I can fight anybody and beat them.

00:50:54.920 Um, so we got to just kind of figure out what's next, take smart fights, but also like I

00:51:00.520 fought Eddie Wineland.

00:51:01.380 He's not an easy fight.

00:51:02.500 Like some people will say, oh, they're giving you bums.

00:51:04.660 Eddie Wineland is not a fucking bum at all.

00:51:06.560 Eddie Wineland will beat all of our fucking dad's asses.

00:51:09.100 Exactly.

00:51:09.760 Eddie Wineland is a bad motherfucker.

00:51:11.120 So they're not giving me fights.

00:51:12.200 Jose Quinones was like six and one in the UFC.

00:51:14.200 He wasn't an easy fight.

00:51:15.700 Right.

00:51:16.220 Um, so I see people on there saying they give me easy fights and stuff, but I think the UFC is

00:51:21.120 going to build me smart and my next fight's going to be another tough, a tougher fight

00:51:26.000 than Eddie, but not super because realistically fighting anybody in the top 10 is, is a tough

00:51:32.260 fucking fight for me.

00:51:32.920 I'm not going to go out there and smoke anyone.

00:51:34.120 And this is the top 10 in the world in the weight class.

00:51:36.660 So no fights easy, especially when you go with those fucking little gloves and people

00:51:40.800 throw bombs.

00:51:42.060 Yeah.

00:51:42.340 So any fight's not a give me fight.

00:51:44.120 Um, but I think they're going to try to do it smart, build me up smart.

00:51:47.320 That's what they're going to try to do.

00:51:48.280 What would you try to do?

00:51:50.280 I think like a businessman too.

00:51:52.080 I know I'm only in the sport for, you know, 10 years can sound like a long time, but once

00:51:55.920 I'm, once it's over, I'm like, fuck, did I do that?

00:51:58.300 Right.

00:51:58.480 I want to look back and go, I did that.

00:52:00.160 Right.

00:52:00.900 Um, I'm getting called out by a lot of, a lot of wrestlers and I feel, I'm like, God,

00:52:04.720 I want to fight these motherfuckers.

00:52:06.260 Like who, like, what do you mean?

00:52:07.080 Like wrestlers?

00:52:07.700 Like you mean like guys that literally want to grab my legs, hold me down and not fight

00:52:12.640 like Murab, that kid that just fought last, uh, last weekend.

00:52:16.040 Oh, I think they're like fucking wrestlers dude from the WWE.

00:52:18.520 I thought you meant like real wrestlers.

00:52:20.040 No, no.

00:52:20.600 Guys that are like scared to fight, but love to grapple and wrestle.

00:52:25.100 Just those hermit crab kind of dudes.

00:52:26.480 Yeah.

00:52:26.900 And it's a risky fight for me to take because it doesn't cater to your strong suits or it

00:52:31.780 doesn't cater to what you like to do.

00:52:33.540 Yeah.

00:52:33.740 I like knock people out, but I, like I'm, when I think of myself as a, I feel like I'm really

00:52:38.660 good at jujitsu, but it's a risky fight taken against someone that literally will take you

00:52:43.840 down and hold you there.

00:52:44.860 It's, it's not, it's not like they're lonely kind of, yeah, it's not what the people want

00:52:47.960 to see.

00:52:48.360 It's not, you know, but once I'm champ, I'll take all those motherfuckers on.

00:52:52.540 Like it doesn't matter.

00:52:53.260 I am champ.

00:52:53.800 I have to fight who's next, but to get to the champ, let's take the smarter fights.

00:52:57.640 And I know a lot of people are gonna be like, that's fucked up.

00:52:59.300 You're a pussy, but definitely, you know, but it's a business and everybody gets to do the

00:53:03.540 business.

00:53:04.000 It's not like they don't like everybody, like, like you have some different path and

00:53:08.380 like you have your own path, but everybody's in the same business.

00:53:11.800 I'm still fighting these guys in the UFC that are going to be like, um, so, and, and I think

00:53:17.040 a lot of the people get jealous.

00:53:19.280 Like the guys are like, Oh, you're picking fights.

00:53:21.420 We're not picking fights.

00:53:22.580 It's just, I'm not going to fight someone that's boring that no one gives a fuck about

00:53:26.600 when no one wants to see me fight.

00:53:28.300 Right.

00:53:28.760 We're going to, you know what I mean?

00:53:29.780 So you're going to make a smart choice.

00:53:30.740 Yeah.

00:53:30.880 We've got to make a smart choice with the business.

00:53:32.420 What do you think, Tim?

00:53:34.460 Yeah.

00:53:34.820 Same thing, dude.

00:53:35.660 It's like, you want to fight a guy who literally just kind of wants to dry hump on you and pump

00:53:39.580 on you and try to win the rounds by 10, nine.

00:53:41.760 Or do you want to fight a guy?

00:53:43.160 If we fight a wrestler who comes in there, wants to take him down and beat the fuck out

00:53:46.480 of him.

00:53:46.680 Hell yeah.

00:53:47.140 Like a Habib style, ground and pound.

00:53:49.140 Like, but some of these guys literally just lay on people.

00:53:52.100 Oh yeah.

00:53:52.760 And it's perverts almost.

00:53:54.060 Yeah.

00:53:54.260 It's, they should get charged.

00:53:56.220 You know what I mean?

00:53:57.080 Yeah.

00:53:57.380 Some of this shit is just like, that's gay.

00:53:59.780 Nothing wrong with gay.

00:54:00.740 No, but let's don't be gay while we're in these rounds.

00:54:04.700 Let's meet up after and hug if we have to.

00:54:06.920 I agree with that.

00:54:07.300 But don't waste the clock time.

00:54:09.000 We got a gentleman right here who's obviously interested and has a question for us.

00:54:15.020 I'm Sugar Sean O'Malley.

00:54:16.820 I got a question.

00:54:19.880 What do you think about 6ix9ine?

00:54:22.960 Huh?

00:54:23.640 I want to know.

00:54:24.740 I want to know about your hair too.

00:54:28.240 I fucking love you.

00:54:29.220 I'm a fan.

00:54:30.640 I saw you talk about this before, but I'm a fan, dude.

00:54:33.360 I think it's almost fascinating.

00:54:35.040 And I know the question is for you, but, but I just stole it.

00:54:38.000 But I think it's just, the dude's fascinating, bro.

00:54:41.220 Like when he said he was going to be on at midnight, I fucking showed up.

00:54:43.820 I was there.

00:54:44.400 I was there.

00:54:45.120 I'm a fan too.

00:54:46.000 But then people like, oh, he's a snitch.

00:54:48.060 I don't give a fuck.

00:54:48.900 I don't pay attention to who he snitched on, what he was in jail for.

00:54:51.980 I don't give a fuck.

00:54:53.080 I just think his music hype.

00:54:54.920 We're going to the gym or we're fucking, we're, we're, we're getting hype.

00:54:59.080 I'm throwing on some 6ix9ine gooba.

00:55:00.580 Yeah.

00:55:01.060 And if I got to watch the music video with Nicki Minaj, watch that a couple of times

00:55:04.620 already.

00:55:04.840 You see that yet?

00:55:05.300 Yeah.

00:55:05.500 I saw it twice, dude.

00:55:06.900 It was ta-ta's.

00:55:07.560 But yeah, I'm a fan of his, he's a character.

00:55:10.320 Yes.

00:55:10.880 That is, his character's working.

00:55:13.120 And about the hair, before we even knew 6ix9ine, like my debut, we talked about, hey, let's

00:55:18.640 do my hair like crazy.

00:55:19.920 And I kind of wanted to establish my name in the UFC, get it, you know, show that I'm for

00:55:23.700 real.

00:55:23.900 And then, uh, so, so the hair was definitely a little bit inspired, but I'm like, dude, that his

00:55:28.440 hair looks sick.

00:55:29.240 It looks fucking crazy.

00:55:30.340 Yeah.

00:55:30.700 And he's a fucking character.

00:55:31.860 I want to be a character.

00:55:32.600 I want people to be like, what the, if they never seen fighting, I want them to look at

00:55:36.680 the screen and be like, oh, what the fuck?

00:55:37.740 I want to watch this guy fight.

00:55:39.100 He's got crazy hair.

00:55:39.760 He's tall as shit, skinny.

00:55:41.080 Well, you have to stand out, especially if you want to.

00:55:43.960 I mean, there's, it's interesting to watch what you guys do in y'all's business.

00:55:46.420 Like it's definitely changed over the past few years.

00:55:48.200 I think with guys calling each other out more like becoming characters, like everything in

00:55:52.640 the world has kind of become, you know, we talk about it a lot that everything's kind of

00:55:56.740 become like the WWE a little bit.

00:55:58.580 Like every, like politicians, everybody, it's all about just sound bites.

00:56:02.580 And how can I, how can I rise out of whatever's going on and, and, and be seen really?

00:56:08.340 Absolutely.

00:56:08.940 Yeah.

00:56:09.420 And it definitely seems like you do that.

00:56:10.660 Do you think you'll have a different hairstyle?

00:56:12.240 Like, do you have other plans for like, uh, for future balance?

00:56:15.560 Yeah.

00:56:15.700 I think we're going to continue with the, like doing different colors of my hair.

00:56:18.880 Danny, my girl does hair.

00:56:20.840 So she did all this.

00:56:21.780 So, and she, we got a bunch of different colors, so we'll play around with it.

00:56:25.160 Um, maybe I was thinking like, uh, whoever I fight next, wearing their flag color hair.

00:56:31.820 Oh, that'd be dope.

00:56:32.380 Just to peck at him.

00:56:33.560 Like when I fought Jose, I like to say things that are going to nudge at him.

00:56:38.040 When I fought Jose, I said, we'll see who's more Mexican.

00:56:40.440 Yeah.

00:56:40.680 And he got pissed.

00:56:42.580 But then I get people saying, you're racist.

00:56:44.400 Like my girl's fucking Mexican.

00:56:45.640 Um, but just saying little things that are going to fire people up.

00:56:50.660 Because if I can get someone emotional to fight me, they're going to come forward like

00:56:54.040 Jose did.

00:56:54.580 They're going to come forward like Eddie did and want to take my head off.

00:56:56.740 And that's not a good game plan.

00:56:57.800 You're getting knocked out doing that.

00:56:58.860 So if I can get someone emotional and want to really just hit me, that's good.

00:57:02.500 Because do you respond?

00:57:03.560 Like, say if somebody did that to you, you don't respond to it the same way?

00:57:05.920 I don't take anything personally.

00:57:07.380 Right.

00:57:08.020 Like, I know, I understand that.

00:57:09.840 Like you could say, I fucked your mom.

00:57:11.220 I'm like, cool.

00:57:12.760 Like you could tell it to somebody.

00:57:13.840 But my mom.

00:57:14.780 Yeah, my mom fucked at least probably five people.

00:57:16.840 Everybody's mom did.

00:57:17.740 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:18.500 But just not taking anything personally.

00:57:20.500 Right.

00:57:21.140 Yeah, because it's interesting.

00:57:22.140 So that's what, okay.

00:57:23.360 So to you, it's like.

00:57:24.820 It's a game.

00:57:25.600 It's a show.

00:57:26.420 It's a show.

00:57:27.080 It's a fucking, it's sugar.

00:57:28.520 Yeah.

00:57:28.840 But I'm Sean in a way where I'm always kind of Sean, but I'm not going to take it personally.

00:57:33.860 Right.

00:57:34.440 It's going to be, if I take it personally, that's going to affect how I fight.

00:57:38.800 I might fight emotional.

00:57:39.820 Right.

00:57:39.960 And when I don't fight emotional, I fight calm.

00:57:41.780 Yeah.

00:57:42.220 Very calm.

00:57:42.940 And I feel like the more calm I can be, the more dangerous I am.

00:57:45.260 So if someone says something and I get personal about it, I think it could change how I fight.

00:57:49.180 It definitely changes how people fight me.

00:57:51.380 Oh, for sure.

00:57:52.180 Well, it's how most fights start.

00:57:53.400 Like if you're just in regular human interaction, like at a bar or post office or whatever, most

00:57:57.020 people fight because somebody gets fucking pissed.

00:57:58.780 Emotional.

00:57:59.280 Yeah.

00:57:59.380 And guys like Cody Garbrandt who get mad if you sneeze next to him.

00:58:02.460 Yeah.

00:58:02.700 It's like, holy shit.

00:58:03.700 That's too easy.

00:58:05.000 Yeah.

00:58:05.280 Like I'm sure he's already just at home just wanting to fight me.

00:58:09.840 Do you think that for him it might be the fight to take?

00:58:12.980 Do you feel like?

00:58:13.700 No.

00:58:14.700 I don't think that's a good fight for him.

00:58:16.860 He needs another fight.

00:58:17.960 He needs, he's still on his comeback.

00:58:19.860 He's, he, I'm ranked number 15.

00:58:22.540 The rankings are pretty much pretty stupid.

00:58:25.120 Like as far as who gets title fights and stuff.

00:58:27.920 I'm ranked number 15.

00:58:29.140 He's, he's just beat number two or three or whatever.

00:58:31.580 So he's probably not going to fight me.

00:58:34.540 It's a lose, lose.

00:58:35.480 He beats me.

00:58:36.520 People are like, oh, you beat the number 15.

00:58:38.740 He gets knocked out.

00:58:39.660 Obviously that's not a win for him.

00:58:41.400 So I think that's going to be a big pay-per-view fight someday.

00:58:44.020 Right.

00:58:44.360 Like I think that's going to be a big, a big fight someday.

00:58:47.260 If you're to jump out, like, you know, say you're able to get out, like if you're out

00:58:50.840 of the weight class, if you get into another class, who's somebody you would, you'd

00:58:54.020 really love to go at?

00:58:55.880 Ooh, the higher up you get, the more scary those motherfuckers get.

00:58:58.800 Oh, it gets scary.

00:58:59.660 Dude, I get scared to even read a lot of these charts.

00:59:01.860 Yeah.

00:59:02.100 I'm extremely scared.

00:59:02.960 No shit.

00:59:03.680 I can't read them before I'm trying to go to sleep.

00:59:05.360 Like the 55 division right there in 77, even 85 or 70 and 85.

00:59:10.320 Those divisions are so scary.

00:59:12.080 Those humans are so athletic and powerful and their skill levels, you know, they're high

00:59:16.720 level MMA fighters too.

00:59:18.980 So I definitely wouldn't want to fight any of them.

00:59:20.920 I love when guys like Henry Cejudo is like, I'm the baddest motherfucker on the

00:59:23.940 world.

00:59:24.220 I'm like, you're 5'3", dude.

00:59:26.040 You ain't that bad.

00:59:27.500 Like, you're good for your weight class, but dude, you're not fucking up Francis.

00:59:32.560 Francis will fuck you.

00:59:33.880 Eat like snack.

00:59:35.560 Little nugget.

00:59:36.760 Little nugget.

00:59:37.700 Do you think, do you think, fuck.

00:59:42.620 Do you think that like your confidence comes from a certain place?

00:59:47.480 Did you always have that?

00:59:48.740 I think the confidence that I have carrying into the cage comes from when I know I have

00:59:53.740 that foot, that fight booked to the fight day.

00:59:57.240 I'm doing everything right.

00:59:58.900 Right.

00:59:59.140 From like I talk about my nutrition, my sleep's on my sleep's on point.

01:00:04.140 You're locked in.

01:00:04.960 My train.

01:00:05.420 I'm locked the fuck in.

01:00:06.480 So I'm doing everything right.

01:00:08.360 So when I'm in that backstage, I'm not nervous.

01:00:10.300 I don't feel any nerves.

01:00:11.300 Yeah.

01:00:11.480 I'm calm.

01:00:12.460 I'm chilling.

01:00:13.960 I'm ready to go out there and perform because I know I did everything right.

01:00:17.960 But there's times where, you know, like my last two fights, I didn't really have any

01:00:21.500 injuries, which was very important.

01:00:24.140 Going into a fight with an injury could definitely fuck with that confidence.

01:00:27.680 Like, God, I don't know.

01:00:29.620 I haven't really had to go into a fight.

01:00:31.840 With an injury yet.

01:00:32.700 Yeah.

01:00:33.420 I had a torn labrum when I fought those two guys, but I was still able to train.

01:00:37.500 It didn't affect me as much until after because labrums tear.

01:00:40.360 They tear, tear, tear, tear, tear, tore to the point where I needed surgery.

01:00:45.080 So, yeah, going into the fight, just knowing I'm doing everything right.

01:00:47.480 But even when I was 16, when I first started, for some reason, I thought I was going to

01:00:51.060 go knock these guys out.

01:00:52.060 Wow.

01:00:52.420 And I was just a little skinny kid.

01:00:54.780 Yeah, that's the difference between you, I think, and people that don't like to fight.

01:00:58.420 Like, if I've ever gotten in a fight, it's been like, fuck, I'm not going to knock

01:01:01.100 this guy out.

01:01:02.280 Like, Jesus, how do I make this end?

01:01:05.740 I don't think I.

01:01:06.640 You just flinched at him and might knock someone out.

01:01:09.320 That's a good point, bro.

01:01:10.260 If I hit him with that hard, fucking dirty flinch, dude.

01:01:12.620 That's true.

01:01:13.500 If I fucking hide somebody up under my head.

01:01:15.160 Well, imagine if you just rolled out one day, Theo, with your hair rainbow colored.

01:01:18.940 That would be sick.

01:01:19.560 Just freak.

01:01:20.460 We're going to do something special around the holidays, I think.

01:01:22.460 That would be sick.

01:01:23.040 We thought about doing something seasonal.

01:01:24.880 Fuck.

01:01:25.400 That would be seasonal.

01:01:26.500 Maybe a Thanksgiving, a kind of a turkey kind of motif or cut.

01:01:29.420 That would be sweet.

01:01:29.900 That would be cool.

01:01:30.560 We got a question right here from a young man who took his shirt off.

01:01:33.440 Yeah, thank you.

01:01:34.080 I appreciate that.

01:01:35.920 Hope he has an accent.

01:01:36.860 Hey, Theo, this is Daniel from London.

01:01:38.200 He does.

01:01:38.620 I've got a question here for Sugar.

01:01:40.980 If you had a choice, what would you be?

01:01:42.780 The best UFC fighter in the world or the best Fortnite player in the world?

01:01:47.660 I'm going to have to answer that.

01:01:48.540 Gang, gang, birds, birds.

01:01:49.740 Gang, bro.

01:01:50.600 Gang, gang, bye-bye.

01:01:51.380 That's a good question.

01:01:52.460 Yeah, I used to play a lot of fucking Fortnite.

01:01:54.420 You ever play that?

01:01:55.080 My nephews play.

01:01:56.060 Yeah, I've seen them play.

01:01:56.860 I don't play it too much anymore.

01:01:58.380 I play more Call of Duty now or only Call of Duty now.

01:02:01.080 But definitely, I get asked that.

01:02:02.180 If you could stream and make more money, would you do that, Mike?

01:02:05.120 Fighting is what I truly, truly love to do and performing, just being on that.

01:02:10.580 And if I could fucking sing or rap or do anything and perform, I fucking want to do it.

01:02:16.060 I crave that.

01:02:17.400 Yeah.

01:02:17.700 So definitely fighting.

01:02:19.540 It's fun, huh?

01:02:20.400 I love performing.

01:02:21.540 It's sweet.

01:02:22.180 Because when I was growing up, I literally remember telling my friends, I'm going to

01:02:26.800 be famous.

01:02:27.380 And they're like, what?

01:02:28.620 How?

01:02:29.240 I don't know.

01:02:29.980 I don't know.

01:02:30.600 I'm going to be famous.

01:02:31.820 And I don't know why I wanted to be.

01:02:33.560 Probably because I was insecure.

01:02:34.920 That's probably what it came from.

01:02:36.360 Like, I want people to like me.

01:02:37.640 Right.

01:02:38.000 Yeah.

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:39.180 We built a studio, so yeah.

01:02:41.500 We have fucking 200 pictures of me up on the wall.

01:02:44.080 Oh, I know my house.

01:02:45.340 I'm like, man, that's a sick pic of me.

01:02:46.660 That's a sick pic of me.

01:02:47.400 Hey, you want to watch my fight?

01:02:48.440 Oh, yeah.

01:02:48.860 That's crazy.

01:02:49.280 I'm always asking Danny.

01:02:49.840 But what was I saying?

01:02:53.280 Oh, yeah.

01:02:53.840 Performing.

01:02:54.320 I just love performing.

01:02:57.360 I don't remember what I was going to say.

01:02:59.600 Something sick, though.

01:03:00.680 Yeah.

01:03:01.360 It was going to be sweet.

01:03:02.280 It was going to be some philosophy, but whatever.

01:03:04.120 We got a question right here from a guy.

01:03:06.020 Open your eyes, fella.

01:03:06.960 Hey, Sean.

01:03:07.660 Hey, Theo.

01:03:09.000 My question is, we've seen a lot of buyers struggle in the day-to-day basis in terms of

01:03:14.700 finance.

01:03:15.180 You know, the cost of living going up by year, food, medical, petrol, training, housing.

01:03:22.120 My question to you is, should there be a fighter's unit to help with the financial side of it?

01:03:27.740 You know, help your low-tier fighters.

01:03:29.720 We've seen a few weeks ago, Brandon Roy was saying he has to work a second job.

01:03:34.500 A second job.

01:03:35.940 And he's in the UFC.

01:03:37.660 Should a UFC fighter be having a second job?

01:03:41.660 My question is, what the fuck size is that bed?

01:03:44.780 And how does he really sleep on it?

01:03:46.000 It is a small bed, huh?

01:03:47.700 That's like a toy.

01:03:48.360 Is it a toy?

01:03:49.300 Yeah, look how there's only eight little bars going across.

01:03:51.700 It looks like the pan, baby.

01:03:53.120 Yeah.

01:03:53.640 That is a very lean bed.

01:03:54.980 This could be the oldest baby I've ever seen.

01:04:00.060 Fighters pay.

01:04:01.140 It's weird when you look at other sports making how much money compared to professional fighters.

01:04:05.580 I mean, I don't obviously know how much UFC is making, how much is Dana making, and I obviously

01:04:11.580 know how much we're making, and it's not that much compared to other athletes.

01:04:16.380 But guys like Brandon Royle just won his fight.

01:04:19.580 You know, that's at least $20,000, and he has to go work a second job.

01:04:22.940 It's like, that's his choice.

01:04:24.900 He can quit.

01:04:25.740 $20,000 will last you a couple months.

01:04:27.520 Get really good.

01:04:28.220 Get another fight.

01:04:28.900 Book another fight.

01:04:29.620 Perform.

01:04:30.220 Make another win.

01:04:31.660 And you don't have to work.

01:04:33.120 Like, unless, you know, maybe he has kids and shit and I don't know about, but it depends

01:04:37.140 how bad you want it.

01:04:38.160 Right.

01:04:38.520 At the end of the day.

01:04:39.600 I don't even like talking about the money when I did talk about it and bring it up because

01:04:44.640 I wanted the UFC to know I need to renegotiate.

01:04:47.060 That's right.

01:04:47.940 I'm going to bring it up unless we get to.

01:04:50.100 Yeah.

01:04:51.340 But even if you don't compare it to the other athletes that are making so much money,

01:04:57.980 and be like, damn, I made 80 G's last fight?

01:05:00.580 Yeah.

01:05:01.120 That's a lot of fucking money.

01:05:02.360 Maybe not compared to the 100 mil that the MLB guy just got for fucking swinging a baseball

01:05:06.780 bat.

01:05:07.640 But it's still like, we make a lot of money compared to people that work nine to fives

01:05:13.000 and shit like that.

01:05:14.200 So, and it's more dangerous.

01:05:15.520 So, I don't know.

01:05:16.060 It's tough to say.

01:05:17.140 It's really dangerous.

01:05:18.120 I mean, I feel like it's about to change.

01:05:21.880 Hopefully.

01:05:22.560 Do you get that feeling, Nick, that it's about to change, that you guys are about to start

01:05:25.480 getting paid more?

01:05:27.840 You guys?

01:05:28.660 I'm not one of them.

01:05:29.480 Are you all?

01:05:30.460 Sorry.

01:05:30.960 I'm sorry, man.

01:05:32.100 I just know Nick loves the sport.

01:05:33.540 No, yeah.

01:05:34.140 But yeah, yeah.

01:05:34.640 I just don't see a union ever happening because for guys, the most influential guys in the

01:05:39.700 sport, like Sean and Connor and John, it doesn't make sense.

01:05:43.580 It kind of puts a cap on what they can make.

01:05:45.480 It really only helps those lower tier guys.

01:05:48.040 And it's like, it's easy for me to say, but yeah, fighting's kind of a choice.

01:05:51.660 No one's guaranteeing you a living.

01:05:52.880 The pay-per-view, the way it works is like the champ and whoever they're fighting get

01:05:58.220 the pay-per-view.

01:05:58.960 Right.

01:05:59.260 So people ask me, oh, you're going to be on a Connor pay-per-view.

01:06:01.980 You're going to get that money.

01:06:02.840 I don't get any extra if I'm on a Connor pay-per-view or any pay-per-view for that matter, unless I'm

01:06:06.740 the champ or unless I'm the main event, in the main event.

01:06:09.980 So in my position, I think I'm going to do fine.

01:06:13.940 I'm never really going to have to worry about paying me more because I think I'm going to

01:06:17.260 be able to, once I'm in that main event spot, that's where I'm going to fight.

01:06:20.500 I'm never going to go from the main event down to not main event.

01:06:23.400 Right.

01:06:23.660 With the hype that I'm going to bring to these fights, I want to sell these fights, these

01:06:28.780 pay-per-views, say the right things.

01:06:30.560 It's fun as fuck.

01:06:31.620 Chael Sonnen was the man in it.

01:06:32.760 Connor was the man in it.

01:06:34.140 And it's doable.

01:06:35.500 So I think when I do get in those spots, I think we're going to be able to sell good

01:06:38.560 pay-per-views, especially fighting like Cody Garbrandt, who's another star-ish.

01:06:43.660 It takes two people to build a big pay-per-view.

01:06:46.940 Yeah.

01:06:47.100 And I think I'm going to get there and it'll be good.

01:06:51.140 The money will be good.

01:06:52.680 Are there guys that are below you in the ranking and stuff that you look at and you're like,

01:06:56.440 damn, this guy is a straight up, or anybody you're even hearing about, like this guy's

01:07:00.580 a real fucking...

01:07:04.340 Problem?

01:07:05.160 Yeah.

01:07:05.820 Yeah, there's definitely guys in the division.

01:07:09.220 Bantamweight's division is the most stacked division in the UFC right now.

01:07:12.040 I feel like from one to ten, it's so fucking stacked.

01:07:16.200 How confident I am, it doesn't mean I'm going to...

01:07:19.080 I don't see them as they suck.

01:07:20.920 I'm not like, this is going to be easy.

01:07:22.460 Right.

01:07:22.660 I feel like I'm going to be able to show up that night and outperform them.

01:07:26.060 Yeah.

01:07:26.280 That's how I feel about everybody.

01:07:28.880 But none of those guys are easy fights at all.

01:07:31.320 I didn't think Eddie was necessarily an easy fight.

01:07:33.960 I was just super confident that I'm going to show up that night and perform better than

01:07:37.280 him.

01:07:38.360 So looking at the division, there's a ton of guys, I'm like, whew, that's a tough fight.

01:07:42.560 Yeah.

01:07:43.240 But I'll probably still knock him out.

01:07:44.420 That's what's going through my mind.

01:07:45.680 You have to think that.

01:07:46.920 I mean, that's the only thing you really can think is that you're going to win.

01:07:50.040 So sometimes it's like, yeah, for people that come on you about your ego and stuff

01:07:53.180 like that, or come on you and say, man, he sounds really confident or trash talk.

01:07:57.360 What else?

01:07:57.920 I mean, I guess there's maybe ways to phrase things.

01:08:00.260 But if I'm walking into a fight, I'm not thinking, fuck, I hope we both do well.

01:08:04.920 A lot of guys aren't, a lot of guys, you know, I feel like I built this skill set of

01:08:11.620 working my mind to thinking that way.

01:08:14.280 And I don't think a lot of people can.

01:08:15.580 A lot of fighters can go into fights thinking the way I think.

01:08:18.820 It's a skill that I've built up and I've practiced.

01:08:21.740 I've had over 30 fights too.

01:08:23.120 And I've done a lot of mental work, you know, even just meditation and stuff like that.

01:08:29.500 And in my breath work and stuff like that, I can kind of make my thoughts like that.

01:08:36.660 Some fighters are in the back.

01:08:38.660 You heard Donald Cerrone talking about it.

01:08:40.100 He's fucking terrified.

01:08:42.120 You hear Chael Sonnen saying, he's not the only one.

01:08:44.320 I think 95% of the guys that are going into fights are terrified and aren't thinking, I'm

01:08:50.660 going to fuck this dude up.

01:08:51.860 I think I think like that because I know how to work my mind and know how to have those

01:08:56.520 thoughts pop up and navigate where my thoughts go.

01:09:00.500 So I think it's a skill set.

01:09:02.140 It's interesting to hear you say that, man.

01:09:04.360 Yeah, because then you get into the fight and you're like, OK, how am I going to it's

01:09:12.300 more like, how am I going to do this than what's going to happen?

01:09:17.360 Right.

01:09:17.560 If you walk into the fight like, shit, I don't know what's going to happen here.

01:09:21.100 That's a different approach to something than, man, I know what's going to happen here.

01:09:25.740 I just have to find exactly how I'm going to get it done.

01:09:28.500 Yeah.

01:09:28.800 And like I said, I kind of let my body, I let go of all thought when it comes down to how

01:09:32.620 the fight's going to play out.

01:09:33.480 I just trust my higher self that I'm going to go in there and do what I need to do.

01:09:37.620 But a lot of fighters, even myself before, like before I even really got in the UFC,

01:09:43.220 you would say, how's the fight going to go out?

01:09:44.780 Oh, shit.

01:09:45.380 Like, what if he fucking drops me?

01:09:47.160 What if this?

01:09:47.640 What if that?

01:09:48.500 I don't let myself even get there.

01:09:50.360 Wow.

01:09:50.780 I'm like, OK, we're going to go in there.

01:09:52.700 I'm healthy.

01:09:53.820 I'm in shape.

01:09:54.480 And my skill set's high.

01:09:56.260 My skill set versus his skill set, like for when I fought, A, I knew my striking was more

01:10:01.200 high level.

01:10:01.700 If you just watch it from not thinking about, OK, I'm me, just watching it like, oh, this

01:10:05.740 skill versus it, I'm better.

01:10:06.960 Right.

01:10:07.220 And I knew I was going to show up.

01:10:08.520 So if my skill set's better and I know I'm going to show up, you can't beat me.

01:10:12.280 But there's always that one punch.

01:10:13.900 And I always say that because I know I'm not stupid.

01:10:16.260 I'm not.

01:10:16.500 I'm still realistic.

01:10:17.340 There's that one shot.

01:10:18.200 Right.

01:10:18.440 I could put your lights out.

01:10:19.360 But if I take myself out of it and just look at the skill set versus skill set, even like

01:10:24.140 if you want to use Cody, for example, I feel like his skill set versus my skill set, I'm

01:10:27.840 better.

01:10:28.360 Yeah.

01:10:29.060 He's my striking's better and I fucking show up.

01:10:32.400 Yeah.

01:10:32.920 He seems to show up, sometimes shows up emotional.

01:10:36.020 Last fight, he looked better than he did ever.

01:10:38.700 And he got the job done.

01:10:40.060 Still, he has that fucking right hand that he dips into and throws.

01:10:43.860 Oh, yeah.

01:10:44.380 But when I take myself out of it and look at skill set versus skill set, it makes it easier

01:10:49.480 because I truly believe my skill set's so high to where I can be like, oh, okay.

01:10:52.720 If I show up, I'm going to be fine.

01:10:54.520 I'm going to be good.

01:10:54.920 So I'm not going to overthink the fight.

01:10:56.220 I'm not going to say, oh, hopefully this lands, this lands.

01:10:58.620 I'm just going to let myself do whatever my body needs to do in there.

01:11:02.120 Do you practice?

01:11:03.220 We got a question right here from some guy.

01:11:06.060 Hey, Theo.

01:11:07.060 Hey, Sean.

01:11:08.060 This is Shiloh out of Missouri, Montana.

01:11:10.920 Just a quick question for Sean.

01:11:12.780 Just wondering, how does it feel?

01:11:14.680 To be a fighter coming out of Helena.

01:11:17.020 And do you still come back here at all?

01:11:20.280 Yeah, Montana's an interesting place.

01:11:22.380 Daniel Cormier said it best.

01:11:23.780 He felt like when he went to Great Falls, which is where Tim's from, our, from where I'm from,

01:11:28.000 it feels like you're going back 20 years in the past.

01:11:30.240 Wow.

01:11:31.200 And it's honestly, and I don't want to say it, have people in Montana get mad at me.

01:11:35.180 It's depressing there.

01:11:36.260 I don't like going back.

01:11:38.100 It's a weird feeling.

01:11:40.160 I think the suicide rate's one of the highest there.

01:11:43.060 It's a depressing place, and I don't know what, why.

01:11:46.040 It's beautiful.

01:11:46.940 Yeah, it's beautiful.

01:11:47.580 I've been to Deer Lodge before.

01:11:48.960 Okay.

01:11:49.640 Yeah.

01:11:50.080 They got a prison there.

01:11:51.040 Yeah.

01:11:51.520 That's where Tim's from.

01:11:52.480 Oh, really?

01:11:53.020 Prison.

01:11:53.940 No, that's where his dad's from.

01:11:54.820 But yeah, Montana's cool.

01:11:58.220 I'm from Helena.

01:11:59.220 There was no, there's not a mall there.

01:12:00.840 Like growing up, there wasn't a fucking mall to go to.

01:12:02.740 There was nowhere to go hang out.

01:12:03.880 But my parents had a dope ass house out in the mountains, like fucking right next to the

01:12:07.360 lake.

01:12:07.560 So it was nice.

01:12:08.140 But I don't go back to Montana much.

01:12:10.940 And I think the best thing I ever did was move out of Montana.

01:12:13.740 But I'm super grateful that I'm from Montana because it made me the person I am.

01:12:18.260 Like for whatever reason, it made me the person and it gave me that confidence being in Montana,

01:12:22.660 fighting other guys from Montana, beating them up.

01:12:24.940 And just being in Montana, I felt like that obviously is the reason I was the person I

01:12:30.080 was before I left.

01:12:30.960 But moving out of there was the best thing I've ever did.

01:12:32.800 Yeah, most people think, oh, I'm going to go to Montana, I'm probably going to get my

01:12:35.040 ass kicked by some guy.

01:12:36.400 But you were like, oh, I kicked everybody's ass in Montana, I'm going to head on out.

01:12:40.240 But the reason I was beating up people in Montana too is because it was, they didn't have good

01:12:44.140 gyms.

01:12:44.260 The training, yeah.

01:12:44.900 I've heard you talk about this, that the training where you're at now, you talked about

01:12:47.460 it on Rogan even, just the level of training.

01:12:49.460 It's like one of the three or four hot spots that you guys spoke about where it's just like

01:12:53.400 one of the best places to train over there.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, Montana was not good.

01:12:56.400 And when I came down from, the reason I came to Phoenix is because Tim was watching one of my

01:13:00.940 fights in Great Falls.

01:13:01.760 He was commentating because he was already in Bellator at the time.

01:13:04.380 And he was like, hey, if you want to come down to a real gym, I see potential in you.

01:13:07.620 And you could, so I came down shortly after, a couple of weeks after, and I was 18 years

01:13:11.180 old, came to the lab.

01:13:13.140 Literally every single, I was there for 10 days, every practice I left crying, I'm pretty

01:13:16.320 sure.

01:13:16.640 Damn.

01:13:17.100 Like it was bad.

01:13:18.200 I realized I'm not good at fighting.

01:13:21.500 Like I'm athletic and I just don't have the skills.

01:13:25.520 Like people would take me down and beat me up.

01:13:27.560 But you've learned it?

01:13:28.400 And I'm like, but always in the back of my head, I'm like,

01:13:30.860 if I can learn these skills, I'll beat these guys because I'm more athletic.

01:13:36.200 And for whatever reason, I felt like I had a pretty good IQ of fighting.

01:13:40.780 And I was like, I just need to learn the skills.

01:13:42.840 I just need to learn skills.

01:13:43.480 So from when I was 19, when I moved to Phoenix till even today, I'm training pretty much

01:13:48.700 twice a day.

01:13:49.380 I'm still getting really good.

01:13:51.080 I'm getting better.

01:13:51.700 In those two years that I was out, I think I improved more in those two years than I did

01:13:55.600 in the previous four years that I was training.

01:13:57.700 Um, cause I was training smarter and I'm just training with such high level people and I'm

01:14:03.120 retaining the knowledge and, and it's just, and I've still feel like I have so much to

01:14:08.420 learn, which is why I think I'm so dangerous.

01:14:10.540 And it gives me that confidence because I'm like, I'm really fucking good right now, but

01:14:13.760 I can get, I'm just, I'm just getting started.

01:14:17.300 Imagine in my head, I'm like, imagine in a couple of years, if you keep training the

01:14:21.160 way you're doing, it's scary to think about when my strength and conditioning, strength

01:14:24.300 and conditioning Brandon Harris, when he says like, we're just scratching the surface with

01:14:27.900 your fucking abilities and I'm already feeling like a fucking machine.

01:14:31.340 I'm like, we're just getting going and I'm going to be a dangerous motherfucker for the

01:14:34.540 rest of the time I'm in the UFC.

01:14:36.560 Do you, uh, is there anybody when it comes to like talk, talking trash and like kind of,

01:14:40.860 you know, like, you know, and you have to these days, you have to be your own PR person

01:14:44.700 really.

01:14:44.940 I mean, yeah, a hundred percent, you know, uh, what's that?

01:14:47.860 A quiet goat.

01:14:48.780 Don't get fucked.

01:14:49.640 That's what he used to say back in the day, you know?

01:14:51.680 I like, um, and it's like, yeah, yeah.

01:14:54.300 Like Tim will fuck it.

01:14:55.500 Is there anybody?

01:14:56.640 Is there anybody?

01:14:57.800 You don't have no standards.

01:14:59.060 Tim's been through some bullshit.

01:15:00.800 You don't have no standards.

01:15:02.420 Bullshit.

01:15:03.160 Bro, we've all done some things, brother.

01:15:05.120 It's all right.

01:15:05.340 Yeah, fuck it.

01:15:06.020 You know, uh, is there, uh, is there anybody you, you, you, you check in and look at him

01:15:12.680 and be like, oh, uh, that you follow their way of talking shit.

01:15:16.540 I definitely, uh, watched, I've got Chael's son is the number one.

01:15:21.080 I think, I think he was better than Connor and I didn't get to watch it.

01:15:24.760 While it was happening, I've, I've had to go back on the YouTube videos, click like

01:15:27.460 Chael's son and best trash talk and watch out like fucking, I've watched every single

01:15:30.760 interview.

01:15:31.220 I watched Connor's best shot and it's, I watch it like it's comedy.

01:15:35.540 They're funny as fuck.

01:15:36.720 And I was pretty great.

01:15:37.600 And I feel like I've always been, you know, I've always been the goofy kid, the kind of

01:15:42.080 funny guy.

01:15:42.680 And I'm like, if I just be myself and then learn like everything like these guys, um, I

01:15:48.380 think I'm going to be able to be pretty good at talking shit in my own way.

01:15:52.440 And, and it's going to be authentic because then you, there's people can tell when you're

01:15:57.860 being real, your true self and like being funny.

01:16:00.360 And then people can tell when you're being like, you know, uh, Henry Cejudo who just,

01:16:04.960 he's an Olympic gold medalist.

01:16:06.700 He's, you know, two time world champ.

01:16:09.000 He hasn't, he's following sucks.

01:16:10.980 Yeah.

01:16:11.280 He's just not funny.

01:16:12.440 And it's, there's, we doesn't have that off stage.

01:16:15.180 His personality isn't as verbose really off stage.

01:16:17.260 Yeah.

01:16:17.700 And he's just, so I think, uh, but yeah, Chael and Connor, I definitely watched a lot

01:16:22.620 of, a lot of their interviews and, and probably subconsciously learned a lot to where I can

01:16:28.380 kind of put it in my own ways.

01:16:29.920 Yeah.

01:16:30.740 It's fun, man.

01:16:31.560 And it makes it fun.

01:16:32.720 Dude.

01:16:33.160 I love that part of it.

01:16:34.420 I remember after my broke my foot, I told Joe Rogan, I said, I love, uh, what did I say?

01:16:38.880 I said, I fucking love Joe, but I said, uh, I love everything about the sports, the

01:16:42.080 trash talk, the, the, the buildups to the fights, dude, those press conferences that

01:16:48.160 Connor have been in with, with, uh, Oh, they were so good with Floyd, with, with Aldo, with

01:16:54.520 when they were all sitting up there and he's talking about, dude, I can't wait for those.

01:16:57.800 I'm going to give me a fucking quad shot, chug it and just get goofy on the mic and start

01:17:02.680 saying fucked up shit that people pushing the boundaries.

01:17:06.020 And the funny thing is, is already I want to watch that.

01:17:09.060 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:09.520 Like I want to watch.

01:17:11.060 It's interesting.

01:17:11.740 It's like, what makes people want to watch?

01:17:14.360 It's that it thing, but no one really kind of knows what that it thing is.

01:17:18.000 But I said it on the contender series when I was seven and Oh, or whatever I was before

01:17:23.240 I fought Alfred, I said, I have that it thing.

01:17:25.700 I'm going to knock out Alfred and everyone's going to want to watch me fight.

01:17:28.700 And it just happened like that.

01:17:30.060 And it's funny.

01:17:30.560 That was a great fight too.

01:17:31.700 I thought, man, that was, Oh, that was a, that was a wild one to watch.

01:17:35.160 Yeah.

01:17:35.580 It was, it was high paced and it was, but I was had, that was the worst fight camp I've

01:17:40.720 ever had in my life.

01:17:42.060 And it was the biggest opportunity I needed to go out there and perform.

01:17:44.560 And that's what really, you know, probably gave me a lot of confidence.

01:17:47.820 I'm like, I, I had a bad concussion.

01:17:50.940 This is the reason I don't spar too much.

01:17:52.780 I had a bad concussion a couple of weeks before that fight, waking up in the middle of the

01:17:56.060 night, puking, not able to train, um, couldn't eat hardly.

01:18:00.420 So I weighed in at one 36.

01:18:02.160 I got in the cage at one 38.

01:18:04.360 That's fucking insane.

01:18:05.560 Like you don't get in the, you don't weigh in at one 36, get in at one 38.

01:18:09.080 Um, and I just had such a bad camp.

01:18:12.960 I was completely gassed out in that fight.

01:18:14.560 You can see a minute in, I'm like huffing and puffing.

01:18:18.000 Um, and I still dropped him.

01:18:19.780 So that made me really, that probably built a lot of my, it was just GoPro battery scared

01:18:24.760 the fuck out of me.

01:18:25.660 Um, that, that probably gave me a lot of confidence knowing I can still show up when I feel like

01:18:29.700 that.

01:18:30.220 Yeah.

01:18:31.920 Um, let's look at that picture of Tim too.

01:18:33.600 Let's bring that back up.

01:18:34.440 I don't want to.

01:18:35.080 That was, yeah.

01:18:35.760 He had a cameo on, uh, rip my drip.

01:18:38.640 Who sent that in?

01:18:39.980 Zark.

01:18:40.500 We have this boy, we have this guy on, uh, that's been following Tim and I for a long

01:18:43.860 time.

01:18:44.100 His name is Zark.0.

01:18:45.500 He's a OG Jobin of ours.

01:18:47.420 And, uh, he, he sent it in for like four weeks in a row, he said, and he finally got it on

01:18:51.780 and it was legendary.

01:18:52.820 You know what's funny, Theo, is when I had hair like you, I used to have, and I had like

01:18:56.440 a little bit of frosted tips.

01:18:57.640 I got more puss than I've ever gotten in my life.

01:18:59.380 Oh, praise God, brother.

01:19:00.600 Amen to that.

01:19:01.420 Holy hell.

01:19:01.700 Yeah.

01:19:01.880 You show up looking like you can do something and people think you can.

01:19:05.080 This is when you got your first tranny, right?

01:19:07.920 Took out your first tranny on Tinder?

01:19:09.160 Don't, don't.

01:19:09.900 Oh yeah.

01:19:10.200 Sorry.

01:19:10.320 Bro, you could fucking alien dress like that, bro.

01:19:13.040 Anything could happen to you.

01:19:14.560 Let's end that fanny pack if we had to guess.

01:19:16.300 Bro, hopefully more fanny.

01:19:18.060 Look at the muscles on this, dude.

01:19:19.620 No, seriously.

01:19:21.060 Condoms and lube.

01:19:22.880 Extra fanny, bro.

01:19:24.740 Who's using condoms?

01:19:25.860 A little vibrator.

01:19:26.780 That's an insane idea.

01:19:28.360 Let's get that other question that came in today.

01:19:30.180 I want to kind of hear what you guys said about him back in the day.

01:19:32.880 Oh yeah, let's play this.

01:19:33.720 Yeah, I didn't even know.

01:19:35.140 Tim Welch.

01:19:36.180 Ooh, I gotta.

01:19:38.320 Look at them fucking jorts, bro.

01:19:42.000 Dude, he kind of has that Joe Rogan of the West vibe.

01:19:45.480 He has that Joe Rogan of the future vibe, doesn't he?

01:19:48.440 Yeah.

01:19:48.620 Look at those fucking bolets.

01:19:50.400 It looks like Joe Rogan if he was in that movie.

01:19:54.600 What's that movie where there's things climbing underground and they try to pop out and see you?

01:19:58.740 Tremors.

01:19:59.240 Tremors, yeah.

01:20:00.880 That's an old movie.

01:20:02.040 He looks like Joe Rogan if he's in Taxicab Confessions porno.

01:20:06.100 Yeah, it looks like Joe Rogan and Hulk.

01:20:10.360 He looks like Hulk Her-Rogan.

01:20:12.520 That's what he looks like, dude.

01:20:13.960 Dude, look at his kicks.

01:20:15.480 Remember when Hulk Hogan's son killed somebody with a car?

01:20:18.380 Yeah.

01:20:18.840 That's crazy, man.

01:20:19.920 Talking about Nick Hogan?

01:20:20.900 Yeah, racism.

01:20:21.760 He's an Uber driver now.

01:20:23.320 Let's see.

01:20:24.080 What else do we got?

01:20:24.780 Look at them hands, though.

01:20:25.140 Look at the fucking powerful fanny pack.

01:20:27.080 Very powerful.

01:20:28.300 And look at the top.

01:20:29.380 Those fuckers.

01:20:30.420 Bro, if somebody doesn't ejaculate onto that guy, bro, then this ain't America, dude.

01:20:35.360 That's all I'm saying.

01:20:37.940 What do you guys do whenever you guys go out around the town, man?

01:20:40.580 Do you guys ever-

01:20:40.920 We don't go out.

01:20:41.680 Really?

01:20:42.180 We don't go out, dude.

01:20:43.180 We train.

01:20:43.740 We get high.

01:20:44.320 We chill.

01:20:44.860 That's it.

01:20:45.360 Is it too dangerous going out whenever you can fight?

01:20:47.660 Because I can do comedy, so I like to go out and do comedy.

01:20:52.760 Is it kind of like-

01:20:53.580 Dangerous?

01:20:53.980 I might fuck you up.

01:20:55.060 Yeah.

01:20:55.380 No, I don't look at fighting like that at all.

01:20:57.520 I'm never confrontational, and I don't get in fights outside of it.

01:21:01.640 I'm never even in that situation.

01:21:03.500 Right.

01:21:04.040 If we go out, we'll get fucking high shit and go overeat and regret it.

01:21:09.140 That's pretty much what we do.

01:21:11.760 Yeah.

01:21:11.980 And we don't-

01:21:13.040 We did go to a comedy place down in Phoenix.

01:21:15.360 I'd like to go down there more, because being around the comedy club, that was pretty fucking fun.

01:21:18.720 We never really-

01:21:19.640 I only hear Rogan talk about it, and you guys talk about being around the club, comedy club.

01:21:22.940 I'm like, damn, that sounds fucking-

01:21:24.140 That sounds fun.

01:21:25.240 Yeah.

01:21:25.480 Yeah, that stand-up live club, is that the one?

01:21:27.600 Yeah, what's it called?

01:21:28.420 Do you remember?

01:21:28.800 Stand-up Scottsdale.

01:21:29.900 Is that what it is?

01:21:30.640 There's a couple good ones.

01:21:31.300 It's not in Scottsdale.

01:21:32.120 It's in Phoenix, right?

01:21:32.940 Is it downtown?

01:21:33.340 Yeah, downtown.

01:21:34.020 Yeah.

01:21:34.260 Yeah, stand-up live.

01:21:35.460 That's a good one.

01:21:36.140 Yeah.

01:21:36.380 Yeah, Brennan and them were just over there, actually.

01:21:38.640 Oh, is that where they performed?

01:21:39.860 Yeah, I think they were there, actually, maybe a weekend.

01:21:42.080 Last night, I think, or two nights ago.

01:21:43.660 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:44.080 Yeah.

01:21:44.400 That's where they were.

01:21:45.280 Let's get this question in.

01:21:48.480 Hello.

01:21:50.680 Louisiana.

01:21:51.620 You all right, Sean?

01:21:52.480 Sean, as a fellow Louisiana nerd, big fan of the podcast in general, all fucking ten

01:22:01.360 of them that you do, and just wanted to, got a quick question for Sean, and that's after

01:22:07.740 you get that belt, what are you telling Joe in that post-fight interview?

01:22:12.360 What are you going to tell him?

01:22:13.160 I don't, I really still don't know what podcast is for, so gangrene, buttfuck, whatever.

01:22:21.260 Not even sure half the words he said, but that was good.

01:22:23.460 I don't think that guy knows.

01:22:24.840 He's from Louisiana, he said, so it's limited, bro, limited word ship down there.

01:22:29.160 Yeah, after-

01:22:30.040 That's why he had his buddy with him to help him in case he needed an extra word.

01:22:32.700 Holding the sign.

01:22:33.440 Yeah.

01:22:33.540 After my fight with Andre, I remember saying, I fucking love you, Joe Rogan, and then I

01:22:38.660 fought with Jose, I was on ESPN, they're like, don't go, so I was like, I freaking

01:22:42.020 love you, Joe Rogan, and then after that pay-per-view, I fought, so I think that kind of became

01:22:45.260 a thing, just saying, I fucking love you, Joe Rogan, just because I'm such a huge fan

01:22:49.080 of Joe Rogan, it's fucking, it's so sweet that he's a commentator there, like in the

01:22:53.120 UFC, they said, hey, how are you going to, how are you going to, how's it going to affect

01:22:57.840 you fighting with no crowd?

01:22:59.200 I said, if Joe Rogan is there, and Dana White's there, I don't give a fuck who I was there.

01:23:02.380 Hey, Joe Rogan, listening to him commentate in his podcast, I'll probably say, I fucking

01:23:07.020 love you, Joe Rogan, I have to get that bell.

01:23:09.040 That'd be a great t-shirt if you made that, too.

01:23:10.800 I could love you, Joe Rogan.

01:23:11.700 Hey, Rogan, you mind if I use that?

01:23:14.520 Like, give me 10 bucks.

01:23:15.460 A little wife beater or something.

01:23:16.460 A little wife beater.

01:23:16.940 Yeah.

01:23:17.660 He made that Spotify money, I think.

01:23:19.020 Or ex-wife beater, dude.

01:23:20.320 Ooh.

01:23:20.500 Wife beater.

01:23:21.820 Yeah.

01:23:22.180 Future wife beater.

01:23:23.180 Yeah.

01:23:23.940 Future wife beater, they're a great idea.

01:23:26.180 Like a rash card cut off, I mean.

01:23:28.100 Yeah, that'd be sweet.

01:23:30.180 What else we got, Nick?

01:23:31.220 Anything you want to ask, man?

01:23:32.480 This guy's got a question.

01:23:33.060 Oh, he's got a good question.

01:23:34.020 I can tell.

01:23:34.540 Here we go.

01:23:35.520 A lot of our questions, they have their shirts off.

01:23:37.740 I don't know what it is, but.

01:23:38.820 People are fired up, man.

01:23:40.160 Yeah, they're doing push-ups.

01:23:42.860 Sean, what is your favorite tattoo?

01:23:49.380 Probably something on my face.

01:23:51.280 I remember when I wanted to get a face tattoo, Danny, my girl, she's like, nah, don't do it.

01:23:55.960 And it was the star in it.

01:23:58.380 I said, I'm stupid enough to get a face tattoo, but I was smart enough to get a fake one first.

01:24:03.220 Right.

01:24:03.380 So I got the fake star tattoo before my fight with Andre.

01:24:06.660 And it was, I'm like, damn, I like that.

01:24:08.700 So I went and got the star.

01:24:10.120 I was feeling like a fucking superstar.

01:24:12.100 Yeah.

01:24:12.240 I was on a pay-per-view.

01:24:13.300 I'm in the UFC.

01:24:14.020 I was 22 years old.

01:24:16.280 I'm like, fuck, I'm getting a star on my face.

01:24:18.460 I ain't going to ever work a fucking job again.

01:24:21.580 So probably the star, that's what started the face tattoos.

01:24:24.760 And then I got, then I got sugar.

01:24:27.200 And then I got breathe.

01:24:28.400 It says breathe when you look in the mirror.

01:24:30.820 That one was pretty cool because I was going through all that USADA stuff.

01:24:33.780 I was really learning more about my breath and meditation and stoicism.

01:24:38.100 And it all comes back to just taking that, just breathing and feeling that breath.

01:24:42.200 So I got that one.

01:24:43.260 I like that one a lot.

01:24:44.460 And then I got the heart.

01:24:46.000 The heart was just kind of like, I don't, I just want something on my face.

01:24:49.440 I'm going to get a heart.

01:24:50.180 I was feeling hard.

01:24:51.000 Yeah.

01:24:51.380 Do what you got to do.

01:24:52.320 Yeah.

01:24:52.820 That's how it works out.

01:24:53.120 It's interesting because I mean, back in the like, I mean, tattoos and stuff, I don't

01:24:56.260 have any, but it's always been like a-

01:24:57.200 You look sick with a little face tat.

01:24:58.620 Tribal thing.

01:24:59.160 Really?

01:24:59.420 Yeah.

01:24:59.600 A little hot dog or something?

01:25:01.340 A little hot dog.

01:25:02.400 No, but something, something small would be sick.

01:25:05.920 Damn, bro.

01:25:06.300 I think you got to, even if you get like a little fake one first, just to check it out, you'd

01:25:10.640 like it.

01:25:11.000 You'd look in the mirror and you just scream.

01:25:12.920 I do every morning.

01:25:13.880 Do you?

01:25:14.320 Yeah.

01:25:14.500 I just feel hard.

01:25:15.500 Cause you're like, fuck, I have to show up now.

01:25:17.100 Did I have face tattoos?

01:25:18.320 Well, after that-

01:25:19.160 Yeah.

01:25:19.280 You can't get face tattoos and not show up for life.

01:25:22.040 Before my fight, before my fight, I'm like, I got fucking crazy hair.

01:25:25.920 If I get knocked out, that's going to be fucking a meme forever.

01:25:29.600 Laying there with my hair flopping around.

01:25:31.560 Yeah.

01:25:31.960 Colorful.

01:25:33.280 Has Connor reached out to you?

01:25:35.820 No.

01:25:36.220 I feel like, no, I'm a huge fan of Connor obviously, but I feel like he, I feel like he might

01:25:41.500 be a little bit of a drunk now.

01:25:42.900 Yeah.

01:25:43.260 I'm not, who knows?

01:25:44.280 Maybe not.

01:25:44.960 But I feel like he probably looks at me like this little fucker is about to steal all my

01:25:48.000 shine.

01:25:48.520 Yeah.

01:25:48.980 Because I'm, I'm, I've heard Brendan talk, what was it saying about the new super, the

01:25:54.660 new pay-per-view model.

01:25:55.480 He doesn't think anybody's going to be like that big superstar, that Connor, that Ronda,

01:25:58.580 that, I think he's wrong.

01:26:00.740 I think I'm going to be that next big fucking superstar, but I just have to make sure I'm

01:26:04.900 continuing to show up in the gym and get better so I can go out there and perform.

01:26:09.160 But if I keep going out there and doing what I know I'm capable of doing, like a lot of

01:26:12.480 people don't think in their mind, like I'm going to go knock this dude out in a fucking

01:26:15.800 flashy way.

01:26:16.980 I said before that fight, I'm going to knock this dude out in a viral way.

01:26:20.100 And I did.

01:26:21.060 And I feel like I can do that to everybody.

01:26:23.420 It doesn't matter what style, if I'm longer than you and faster than you, I can knock you

01:26:26.580 out in a crazy fashion.

01:26:27.920 It's artistic, yeah, it's like Pablo, like, kick-ass-o or something.

01:26:30.920 Yeah, exactly, Pablo kick-ass-o.

01:26:32.600 I might get that tattoo out of my face.

01:26:35.300 Bro, that's mine, dog.

01:26:37.740 Next time you come out, I'll get written across my face.

01:26:40.120 It would look good.

01:26:40.900 Something would be sweet.

01:26:41.400 Or Colin, we just hired Colin, maybe we'll make him get it.

01:26:43.940 Oh, that'd be good.

01:26:45.360 But no, I-

01:26:46.020 Would it be so gangster one day to have somebody who you have to, like, you don't want to

01:26:49.340 have the tattoos, but you make them get them?

01:26:50.760 That would be sweet.

01:26:51.780 That would be cool.

01:26:53.420 Jay, that's you.

01:26:54.820 Let's go, boy.

01:26:55.600 Yeah, this is my tattoo donkey right here.

01:26:58.280 It says menthol across his back.

01:27:00.500 It's like, what's even going on?

01:27:01.660 He's buzzed up, getting tats.

01:27:04.260 Do you get buzzed up much?

01:27:06.040 Get fucked up, you mean?

01:27:07.180 Just buzz, yeah.

01:27:07.620 Every night.

01:27:08.320 Not recently.

01:27:09.160 I quit doing drugs and alcohol a while back.

01:27:12.060 But I'll probably do it at some point, just not right now.

01:27:14.360 Yeah, I don't-

01:27:15.120 What about DMT?

01:27:15.960 Have you ever done that?

01:27:16.900 I haven't, but I'm definitely, I definitely would like to.

01:27:19.600 I like how it's a quick kind of, I've been told-

01:27:22.120 Yeah, yeah, so you can just walk through it pretty easy, yeah.

01:27:24.880 I definitely would be interested in doing that.

01:27:27.620 But getting buzzed up, it's so fun when you do it, but we don't do it very often.

01:27:33.180 Couple times a year, three, four, maybe a year.

01:27:35.840 Get drunk?

01:27:36.260 Yeah.

01:27:36.560 But when we get buzzed with the boys, it's so much fucking fun.

01:27:39.960 It's just hard to, I don't want to wake up the next morning with a fucking headache.

01:27:44.460 Yeah.

01:27:45.100 It's kind of become an old-fashioned, too, I think.

01:27:47.680 When I was in college, everybody got drunk, right?

01:27:51.400 It was like, how drunk can you get?

01:27:53.620 Zach's dead.

01:27:54.880 It would be like, oh man, who cares if he's dead?

01:27:58.900 He can still drink.

01:27:59.760 But now you see people using more psychedelics, you see people using more things that they

01:28:06.220 want to have, like an actual experience, than they want to just kind of pollute themselves.

01:28:12.700 It's just like everything, diet changes.

01:28:15.000 I think the diet of how we get wasted is evolving as well.

01:28:19.800 Fuck yeah.

01:28:20.480 This was kind of related, this question.

01:28:23.080 What's up, Sean?

01:28:26.060 What's up, Theo?

01:28:26.820 Gang, gang, brother.

01:28:28.220 My name's Tor from Sydney, Australia.

01:28:31.000 I just have a question for Sean.

01:28:32.780 I was just wondering if you microdose anything.

01:28:35.260 I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it at all.

01:28:38.540 But there are huge benefits with it.

01:28:40.400 And I know that I saw you on Joe Rogan's podcast speaking about mushrooms.

01:28:46.500 So I was just wondering if you microdose at all.

01:28:48.340 Thanks, guys.

01:28:49.000 Have a good day.

01:28:50.400 It's cool how many different people around the world.

01:28:52.300 Isn't it amazing, bro?

01:28:53.160 Listen to the podcast and stuff.

01:28:54.460 Like when I go on Twitch, people are like, hey, from Germany.

01:28:56.460 Hey, from Russia.

01:28:57.140 It's fucking crazy.

01:28:58.040 Dude, it's really fascinating, isn't it?

01:29:00.340 It is.

01:29:01.780 Microdosing.

01:29:02.300 I feel like for me, when I use a psychedelic, I feel like I have to almost be kind of called

01:29:08.240 to it.

01:29:08.520 I'm going through something and I need to figure it out.

01:29:11.780 Lately, life's been just going so well right now that I haven't really felt like I needed

01:29:17.920 to use mushrooms or any psychedelics, really.

01:29:24.160 But I have microdosed and it does.

01:29:28.060 It makes life more vibrant almost.

01:29:30.260 And if you're in a...

01:29:31.220 You got to be careful if you're in what kind of mindset you're in.

01:29:33.900 But if I'm going through something, I need to fucking figure something out.

01:29:36.980 I feel like and dig deep where it's like, okay, this is coming from my childhood or this

01:29:41.720 is coming from this insecurity or you're attached to your significant other and you get jealous

01:29:47.820 in a certain way.

01:29:48.620 Like that's when I feel like those mushrooms are so beneficial and so powerful.

01:29:52.100 They can really help you dig deeper into those situations and figure out what's the next

01:29:58.140 step because mushrooms aren't going to fix nothing.

01:30:00.160 They're not going to take mushrooms and be like, oh, I feel better now.

01:30:03.000 It's going to give you the right idea to be like, oh shit, this is where I'm going

01:30:06.680 wrong.

01:30:07.560 This is what I need to change.

01:30:09.020 Right.

01:30:09.220 Yeah.

01:30:09.640 It helps you get out of some of those bad loops you can get in.

01:30:12.160 Exactly.

01:30:12.620 Yeah.

01:30:12.820 So I think mushrooms are so fucking powerful.

01:30:15.120 Crazy, huh?

01:30:16.160 It's crazy that they're illegal.

01:30:18.160 It makes Miller Lite look like a little pussy, dude.

01:30:20.400 Exactly.

01:30:21.520 I think, you know, Tim said it should be a national mushroom day where everybody just

01:30:26.080 kind of trips and realizes we're all fucking one.

01:30:29.720 Like at the end of the day, we're all one motherfucker.

01:30:32.640 Yeah, bro.

01:30:33.240 Everybody just gets in a big pile in the park.

01:30:35.040 Yeah.

01:30:35.240 It's stacked up, protest time.

01:30:38.060 But dude, how crazy would it be to do them like with your mom or something?

01:30:40.400 I've always thought about that.

01:30:41.660 Dude, my mom.

01:30:41.980 My mom's starting to get a little weird, bro.

01:30:43.560 I think she would, in a couple of years, dude, I take a weekend off of partying and I

01:30:48.420 just go do them with my mom.

01:30:49.740 Dude, I think that would be an emotional, such a positive thing for me and my mom too.

01:30:56.940 But my mom is so against, she's religious to where she wouldn't do it.

01:31:02.080 Right.

01:31:03.340 Because of the Bible and all that.

01:31:04.800 But I'm like, if you read the Bible, doesn't it say stuff about plants and medicines and

01:31:08.160 stuff?

01:31:08.300 But she thinks, she literally told me the other day, marijuana, no, 20 cigarettes is worse

01:31:13.920 than one joint.

01:31:14.800 I thought on the internet.

01:31:15.960 I've heard that before.

01:31:16.560 I'm like, mom, you smoke 20 cigarettes.

01:31:18.340 I'll smoke a joint.

01:31:18.980 Let's get on the treadmill and see who falls first or let's do anything, anything.

01:31:23.940 And, uh, but she's just so cut off at that religious block.

01:31:27.640 There's, I just don't see her, but she used to, she's, she's such a good fucking person

01:31:32.520 and I love her to death, but I think she's stuck on that block that marijuana is so bad

01:31:37.640 for you.

01:31:38.240 Yeah.

01:31:38.480 But I don't know why I'm like, I've seen you drunk.

01:31:40.720 Like, I've seen you drink caffeine.

01:31:43.400 Coffee is literally opposite of weed in a sense.

01:31:46.400 Like, yeah, I don't get it.

01:31:48.140 Has she, you think she's ever tried it?

01:31:49.680 I don't think she's ever tried it.

01:31:50.740 No.

01:31:50.960 See, that's the thing I think is if getting someone in, have the experience, cause I think

01:31:55.080 they feel like you smoke a joint, you lose your job, you get like a shitty car, your

01:32:00.740 air conditioner doesn't work, you cry in your yard.

01:32:04.040 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:04.660 You're suddenly have two kids in the backyard and the fucking, there's a shitty pool that

01:32:08.700 they're in.

01:32:09.120 And like, I think people, that's what people think.

01:32:11.620 Like, oh, that happens.

01:32:13.540 I can see my mind.

01:32:14.360 I don't think they realize, oh, it just kind of makes you a little different.

01:32:18.660 You know, it makes the whole way you interact with the world, it puts a different filter

01:32:21.260 on it.

01:32:21.640 I think what, and I think coffee is the same thing.

01:32:24.460 Caffeine is a drug that makes you fucking, before I had caffeine today, I was like, when

01:32:29.540 I had caffeine, I'm like, whoa, let's fucking get goofy.

01:32:31.900 Like, it changes your mind.

01:32:33.640 It's mind altering just like weed is in a different way.

01:32:35.620 Let's call Darren Till a piece of shit.

01:32:37.360 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:37.680 I'm not, Stu, I can talk shit to those guys.

01:32:40.640 Like, I don't like when littler guys talk shit to the big UFC, the big guys.

01:32:44.700 Like, I'm a 35er.

01:32:45.700 I'm not a big guy.

01:32:46.540 I'm a little guy.

01:32:47.120 I'm not talking shit to these big ass motherfuckers.

01:32:49.100 I'm smart enough to know that these guys can still whoop my ass.

01:32:52.260 Right, right, right.

01:32:53.040 And then I, that's why I don't like when the little guys act like they're the king of the

01:32:56.540 world.

01:32:56.860 Even when Conor's like, there's not a man.

01:32:58.420 But that might be him playing that up.

01:33:00.400 Right.

01:33:00.520 Like, that thing where people are like, I want to watch out.

01:33:02.780 But it's gotten so much easier for him to play it up.

01:33:04.940 It's almost like that's become his only element since he doesn't fight anymore.

01:33:08.980 Yeah, I don't, it sucks because you almost get put in this position to where it's like,

01:33:13.940 for Conor, it's like, I need big fucking fights.

01:33:17.400 I'm not going to fight anyone else.

01:33:19.460 And he seems like, like, he's getting frustrated.

01:33:21.600 He wants to fight, but he only has so many options now.

01:33:24.300 And that's the thing with getting up in the rankings.

01:33:26.540 Like, so you're ranked number five.

01:33:27.720 It's like, oh, okay, I can fight number four, three, two, one, or the champ.

01:33:30.940 But these guys are fighting each other.

01:33:32.520 This guy's injured.

01:33:33.660 This guy's fucking mom has cancer.

01:33:36.600 This guy, you know, he's just like, you can't fight.

01:33:39.160 And time goes fast.

01:33:40.200 I mean, before you know it, it's been a year.

01:33:41.420 It's been a year and a half.

01:33:42.280 So it's like almost the rank.

01:33:43.900 It's like, fuck.

01:33:44.660 Once you get up there, it's like, you can only fight a certain amount of guys.

01:33:47.340 Right.

01:33:47.860 Because you don't want to fight backwards.

01:33:49.280 It just, it doesn't, it's not, it doesn't make sense.

01:33:52.340 You got to enjoy the ride.

01:33:53.340 So you have to plan the ride.

01:33:54.560 You do.

01:33:55.400 And I, and for me, it's like, I love fighting.

01:33:57.820 If they get, if it was my choice, I'd fight next weekend.

01:34:01.100 Yeah.

01:34:01.360 I would have had a fight booked and we're fighting.

01:34:03.200 But it, like I said, it's a business and they got to do it right.

01:34:06.220 But yeah, fighting's fucking, and it's a dangerous sport.

01:34:09.000 Like I'm lucky I got out of the last two fights.

01:34:10.920 No injuries.

01:34:11.720 That's rare.

01:34:12.480 Yeah.

01:34:13.040 Super rare to get out of fights with no injuries back to back like that.

01:34:17.540 Have you ever fought somebody that only has one eye or not?

01:34:20.200 One eye.

01:34:21.440 Like or somebody that only had like one something?

01:34:25.580 No.

01:34:26.220 I remember there was this guy that I sent to Tim.

01:34:29.500 I got offered a fight.

01:34:30.460 Remember that?

01:34:30.880 And you're like, he has one leg.

01:34:32.160 I'm like, dude, it's a lose, lose.

01:34:33.560 It's a lose, lose.

01:34:34.320 You beat him.

01:34:35.020 Really?

01:34:35.360 The guy with one leg.

01:34:35.780 Oh, dude, in Montana, you can fucking fight every weekend.

01:34:38.700 That's the thing.

01:34:39.520 That's what I used to love that.

01:34:40.500 Sugar used to say as a, when he was amateur, he's like, man, I don't even give a shit if

01:34:44.220 I lose.

01:34:44.580 I just want to do some sweet shit.

01:34:46.300 I was like, hell yeah.

01:34:46.920 I was like, if I can make a highlight, if I can go into a fight and get like a good solid

01:34:51.360 bunch of sweet shit like that I did in the fight and then lose, like I always got sweet

01:34:55.420 vids to watch.

01:34:55.760 It's true, bro.

01:34:56.400 The highlights, bro.

01:34:57.520 It's like max preps.

01:34:58.580 It's like, as long as you have a couple of good highlights, the rest of it doesn't matter.

01:35:01.960 This guy's 0 and 74, dude.

01:35:04.300 Exactly.

01:35:04.500 But he shows up.

01:35:05.160 Yeah, but watch him do this backflip.

01:35:07.680 The thing about being undefeated too, I'm 12 and 0.

01:35:10.820 It's like, fuck, that O is so important in the business too.

01:35:13.840 It's like, it's almost like, okay, if I lose, then it's like, okay, now we're free to fight

01:35:17.520 whoever, fuck it.

01:35:18.520 But you got to keep that O. You got to keep that undefeated record.

01:35:21.320 Yeah.

01:35:22.040 Do you think about that a lot?

01:35:24.820 For me, I think another thing that's super, that I have an advantage of in the mental department

01:35:30.140 is I'm not afraid to lose.

01:35:31.640 When I look at losing, I look at it as a chance to go through adversity, a chance to be like,

01:35:36.380 when I, when the whole USADA thing came about, it's like, that was so, I felt like I just

01:35:41.100 took a L. I just lost.

01:35:43.120 Like I just got suspended for something I didn't fucking do, but I was able to figure out how

01:35:49.460 to make it a positive thing, training wise, my relationships wise, just learning a lot

01:35:54.200 about myself.

01:35:54.660 So if I lose a fight, I'm like, okay, now we just got some shit to deal with mentally.

01:35:59.700 Obviously I need to go work on something.

01:36:01.280 Did I get caught?

01:36:02.020 Did I get dropped?

01:36:03.120 Did I lose a decision?

01:36:04.140 Did I gas out?

01:36:04.980 What happened?

01:36:05.560 I got to go work on that.

01:36:07.040 And then mentally it's like, okay, how do I deal with this loss?

01:36:09.960 And I'm going to be able to deal with it because I've dealt with shit before.

01:36:12.480 And I know that dealing with adversity come out more powerful on the other side.

01:36:17.120 So I'm really not scared to lose.

01:36:18.920 I definitely obviously don't want to, but God, I hope I lose next fight.

01:36:22.100 I'll be sick.

01:36:23.060 But I'm not afraid to lose and going into a fight.

01:36:26.200 If I do lose my circle, so small that I'm not going to have people flailing.

01:36:30.060 Like Tim's going to be there.

01:36:31.040 Jay's going to be there.

01:36:31.780 My girl's going to be there.

01:36:32.760 My mom and dad are the core, the small group.

01:36:35.200 I got the guys at the gym at TW BJJ where we train.

01:36:38.920 Like those guys fucking love me in there.

01:36:41.580 Not because I'm winning fights because they're a fan of what I do and I entertain.

01:36:46.760 And then I go to the gym and I'm like, what's up guys?

01:36:48.480 So I'm not going to lose anybody that's important to me if I lose.

01:36:53.880 The only thing you're going to lose is just, yeah, it would just be a fight.

01:36:56.900 It's not that big deal.

01:36:58.200 So I think being able to look at it with that mindset helps me go into not getting nervous in fights.

01:37:03.800 It's interesting, man.

01:37:04.700 It definitely, after watching interviews with you and then talking with you now, it definitely gives me more of an understanding of what kind of your overall perspective of things is.

01:37:13.840 It's definitely a little bit different.

01:37:15.520 That's good.

01:37:16.020 Yeah, it's sweet being able to do podcasts like this and get, ask different questions and reach different audiences and have, podcasts are sweet because you really get an understanding of what, of who someone is for the most part.

01:37:28.180 And you can kind of tell if they're bullshitting or if they're being themselves or whatever.

01:37:31.700 So yeah, it's fucking podcasting so fun.

01:37:34.040 Yeah.

01:37:34.400 Yeah.

01:37:34.680 It's been awesome, man.

01:37:36.300 Nick, what else we got?

01:37:37.220 Anything else?

01:37:38.320 I guess just more specifically, do you have a timeline of when you're trying to fight again?

01:37:42.660 Yeah.

01:37:43.020 I'm talking to UFC.

01:37:44.020 I text Sean Shelby yesterday.

01:37:45.100 I said, dude, I'm ready to go in August.

01:37:48.000 Like I know, I don't think, Fight Island sounds really cool.

01:37:53.080 I don't think it does.

01:37:54.060 But when I get there and I'm like, this place fucking, even if it is sweet, it's like, okay.

01:38:00.000 Being, I could either fight.

01:38:02.940 The thing is too, is the cage size.

01:38:05.020 Like the cage is, what was it?

01:38:06.500 44% smaller.

01:38:08.000 Almost half the size.

01:38:09.480 No way.

01:38:10.340 Yeah.

01:38:10.560 On Fight Island?

01:38:11.680 No, no, no.

01:38:12.060 In Vegas.

01:38:13.060 Yeah.

01:38:13.400 That's what they said, right?

01:38:14.200 This past weekend, that cage was smaller.

01:38:16.340 Yeah.

01:38:16.580 The one I fought in was fucking tiny and I felt it.

01:38:19.140 But that's the one I fought in the Contender Series too.

01:38:21.320 And it's like, for me, my advantage is my footwork and my movement.

01:38:24.760 So the bigger the cage, the better for me.

01:38:27.340 So Fight Island's going to have a big cage.

01:38:28.960 Vegas has a smaller cage, but I'd way rather fight in Vegas, but I'd rather fight in a bigger cage.

01:38:33.820 So it's like, okay, who are we fighting?

01:38:35.380 Are we fighting a grappler who's going to try to hold me down?

01:38:37.160 That smaller cage is going to benefit them more.

01:38:39.240 Are we fighting a striker in a smaller cage?

01:38:41.640 I'd still would rather have a bigger cage, but it's a different game.

01:38:44.840 Like Eddie was a striker.

01:38:45.760 It wasn't too big of an issue.

01:38:47.260 So I'd rather fight in Vegas in a bigger cage if I had the opportunity.

01:38:53.320 Hopefully, we're going to fight August.

01:38:54.880 A couple people, like, I was supposed to fight Chido.

01:38:57.960 I don't know if you know who that is.

01:38:58.900 Yeah, Chido, his fight was sick.

01:39:00.940 He lost, but it was a...

01:39:02.200 I thought he won.

01:39:03.000 He won.

01:39:03.360 Oh, he won?

01:39:04.060 He lost.

01:39:04.620 I thought he won.

01:39:04.900 He did lose.

01:39:05.620 Oh, he lost the decision.

01:39:07.200 Chido Vera, right?

01:39:08.020 Yeah.

01:39:08.160 I thought he won.

01:39:09.620 I thought he won, too.

01:39:10.260 That's how crazy it was.

01:39:11.760 Well, see, that's what I told UFC Chido.

01:39:13.760 I'm like, I'll fight him.

01:39:14.600 I know he's coming off a loss, and you're supposed to winters fight winners.

01:39:17.700 UFC thought he won.

01:39:18.760 I thought he won.

01:39:19.900 You know, that could be a fight to make.

01:39:21.140 Damn, yeah.

01:39:21.700 That'd be a great fight, bro.

01:39:23.300 Yeah, it might be.

01:39:24.480 Or it's going to be another first round KO.

01:39:26.380 But no, he's definitely tough as fuck.

01:39:29.260 He's like, he's tough.

01:39:30.660 He's going to...

01:39:31.380 Yeah.

01:39:31.860 And I always say this.

01:39:32.840 I plan on fighting for 15 minutes as far as when my training is concerned.

01:39:36.060 Like, we're training to fucking fight for 15 minutes.

01:39:40.720 Most of the time, like, throughout my career, it doesn't last like that.

01:39:44.120 A couple minutes, yeah.

01:39:45.320 And I don't...

01:39:46.500 You know, when I close my eyes and see the fight playing out,

01:39:51.420 I knock him out in the first round.

01:39:53.760 It just happens like that.

01:39:55.380 But he's tough.

01:39:58.700 His skill set's pretty good.

01:40:00.660 He's a good grappler.

01:40:01.940 I think he would try to take me down.

01:40:04.680 Not initially.

01:40:05.500 I think he's like...

01:40:06.620 Initially, he'll probably be like, oh, I'm going to strike with him.

01:40:08.500 Hit him with a fucking sugar smack, huh?

01:40:09.960 Then I smack him in the tits.

01:40:10.900 And he's like, oh, trying to grab me.

01:40:12.060 That's what usually happens is I hit people.

01:40:13.700 Give him that fucking Stevia, bro.

01:40:14.780 Dude, I might hit him with that fucking Stevia.

01:40:17.560 But I think he called me Stevia on Twitter the other day.

01:40:19.660 Oh, did he really?

01:40:20.520 Oh, I didn't even know that.

01:40:21.000 He said something about making excuses with UFC.

01:40:23.380 People on Twitter are so fucking stupid.

01:40:25.960 It's funny.

01:40:26.620 I like Twitter now.

01:40:27.460 I don't use it too much.

01:40:28.280 I use it to talk shit.

01:40:30.160 Like Peter.

01:40:30.660 I don't know if you saw that tweet.

01:40:32.380 Nah, I didn't see it.

01:40:33.140 Peter Yan.

01:40:35.500 Oh, yeah, there's that.

01:40:37.840 Next time UFC called, don't make excuses.

01:40:39.900 Like UFC called me.

01:40:40.700 I'm like, no, I can't make it.

01:40:42.120 My grandma's couch broke.

01:40:44.400 And I'm like, I can't make it.

01:40:45.220 I made an excuse.

01:40:46.500 But I think...

01:40:49.940 What did he say?

01:40:51.900 He said, it's my time.

01:40:55.360 And I said, calm down, Peter.

01:40:58.180 Or no, I said, calm down.

01:40:59.100 You can't even spell your name right, Peter.

01:41:00.640 Or something like that.

01:41:01.580 You are...

01:41:03.820 And it's just funny little comments like that.

01:41:06.560 Right there.

01:41:06.960 He said, my time.

01:41:07.560 And I said, calm down.

01:41:08.280 You can't even spell your name right, Peter.

01:41:09.660 And then I spelt it right.

01:41:11.380 And then he said something.

01:41:13.700 He said...

01:41:15.440 Oh, yeah.

01:41:15.860 Just calm down.

01:41:16.260 You can't even spell your name right, Peter.

01:41:17.840 Just some funny shit like that on Twitter

01:41:19.500 makes Twitter so fucking fun.

01:41:21.700 Because it's a game.

01:41:22.620 Well, it's interesting too for you

01:41:23.800 because coming out of this Twitch world

01:41:26.300 and being in like...

01:41:28.000 And being of a younger generation

01:41:29.740 than some guy, you know,

01:41:30.760 like just...

01:41:32.200 It's more of a not real world online.

01:41:36.080 Yeah.

01:41:36.660 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:37.140 And it's building potential big fights in the future.

01:41:40.280 Like that's building it up.

01:41:41.200 You're not working for me now, Curly Boy.

01:41:43.420 Yeah.

01:41:43.820 I don't know if he speaks English

01:41:45.260 or if he has someone who's translating.

01:41:47.080 I truly don't know.

01:41:48.900 But I'm curious if it's actually him.

01:41:51.980 Because I don't think he could speak that way.

01:41:55.380 He got his own style, man.

01:41:57.500 But it's funny.

01:41:58.000 People always try to jab at me

01:42:00.780 for having curly hair.

01:42:01.660 I'm like, curly hair is the only reason I get laid.

01:42:03.740 Yeah.

01:42:04.180 You're like, dude, that's not an insult.

01:42:05.800 You got to fuck curly hair.

01:42:06.740 But yeah, well, I got laid with it.

01:42:08.580 So it's not a good insult.

01:42:10.260 I think Henry Cejudo said something about curly Q

01:42:13.600 or something during Q-Tip

01:42:14.680 or something about my hair.

01:42:15.520 I'm like, God, that's not good

01:42:17.100 because it gets me pussy.

01:42:17.680 But it's interesting that where you're at

01:42:19.580 that you have these guys

01:42:20.700 who are communicating with you.

01:42:23.180 Oh, I love it.

01:42:23.320 You know what I'm saying?

01:42:24.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:24.540 It's interesting.

01:42:25.340 It's like there's a lot of guys

01:42:27.080 who could tweet at Henry Cejudo

01:42:28.400 and they're not going to get any response.

01:42:30.200 But that's not where you live right now.

01:42:32.020 That's not the world you have built

01:42:36.400 for yourself right now.

01:42:37.460 And I bet it is fucking exciting.

01:42:39.920 It's fun.

01:42:40.560 It makes it way more exciting.

01:42:41.740 And I've been building this up for,

01:42:43.340 I've been building my social media up

01:42:45.340 for a long time,

01:42:46.700 ever since I guess I got it.

01:42:48.640 Kind of just been building it up,

01:42:49.760 building it up, building it up,

01:42:50.540 and making it like a business.

01:42:51.840 Yeah.

01:42:52.400 You know, you can make,

01:42:53.120 like I make a lot of fucking money

01:42:54.500 from my Instagram.

01:42:56.240 And it's like a business there.

01:42:58.360 But growing up,

01:42:59.880 I had so many adults tell me,

01:43:02.660 don't post this.

01:43:03.440 Don't post that.

01:43:04.260 You're not, UFC not going to like that.

01:43:05.460 Me smoking weed

01:43:06.240 in my fucking marijuana robe,

01:43:08.000 listening to 50 Cent.

01:43:08.920 Like, dang, I wouldn't post that.

01:43:10.080 UFC not going to like it.

01:43:10.600 Literally been adults

01:43:11.760 that I'm supposed to look up to.

01:43:13.500 It's so hard for me

01:43:14.120 to look up to most adults.

01:43:15.100 I'm like, your life sucks.

01:43:17.320 I don't know.

01:43:17.640 Like, what you tell me

01:43:18.760 doesn't really resonate.

01:43:20.660 Yeah, you just got fired.

01:43:21.600 Yeah.

01:43:21.860 You just got fired

01:43:22.480 from the fire department.

01:43:24.860 So it's like hard for me,

01:43:26.140 when I was growing up,

01:43:26.920 listening to the adults,

01:43:27.900 like, I don't want to be like you.

01:43:29.460 So that's probably not going to,

01:43:30.880 not going to listen.

01:43:31.960 I've always kind of been

01:43:32.640 a rebel in that way.

01:43:34.180 But I've been,

01:43:34.940 like the social media way,

01:43:36.180 posting shit that I think is funny.

01:43:37.860 Yeah.

01:43:38.160 Like, if I think it's fucking funny,

01:43:39.240 I'm going to post it.

01:43:40.700 Dude, undeniable

01:43:41.840 that the show is entertaining, man.

01:43:43.540 A rebel with a cause.

01:43:44.980 Exactly.

01:43:45.940 Anything else?

01:43:46.960 That's it for me.

01:43:47.700 You got?

01:43:48.760 Tim, man,

01:43:49.400 you got anything else for this guy?

01:43:50.240 I want to see,

01:43:52.060 okay, besides Schwab and Joe Rogan,

01:43:54.580 I think with your size,

01:43:56.060 you might be able to fuck up

01:43:57.040 any other comedian.

01:43:58.540 Oh, dude.

01:43:58.880 What about Callen?

01:43:59.820 You versus Callen?

01:44:00.600 He boxes a little bit.

01:44:01.640 I see.

01:44:01.860 I'm getting a little old, though.

01:44:03.100 That's true.

01:44:03.740 I'm actually going to stop

01:44:04.540 by Tony Jeffries' gym

01:44:05.480 on the way home.

01:44:06.120 He's got that boxing burn.

01:44:07.900 Hits of mitts or what?

01:44:08.820 Yeah, I'm just going to check it out.

01:44:09.940 I'm going to get a membership over there.

01:44:11.320 That'll be tight.

01:44:11.680 That'll be tight.

01:44:12.340 I need to fight somebody.

01:44:14.520 I think you versus Brian

01:44:15.320 sparring three threes

01:44:16.380 would be fucking epic.

01:44:17.680 I'd watch that.

01:44:18.660 I'd be in it, I mean.

01:44:19.640 Yeah, I'd watch that.

01:44:20.740 Dude, your size intimidated me.

01:44:22.500 I don't think people know.

01:44:23.520 Yeah, you're taller.

01:44:24.420 And I can get hit, man.

01:44:25.540 I'm already.

01:44:26.320 Well, you got a mullet,

01:44:27.060 so you can get hit.

01:44:27.860 Yeah, I'll get fucking hit.

01:44:29.740 Dude, yeah.

01:44:30.160 You can get grimy.

01:44:30.460 That don't do shit.

01:44:31.500 Yeah, I'm already missing a little.

01:44:33.460 If you can jab Brian,

01:44:34.880 because I haven't met Brian either,

01:44:35.980 so I don't know.

01:44:36.720 He's small.

01:44:37.360 He's smaller.

01:44:37.740 He's quick in his hip,

01:44:38.820 so he's got those kind of that.

01:44:39.720 I can see that.

01:44:40.260 He's got that wiggle in him.

01:44:41.260 Yeah, I can see that.

01:44:42.040 But he's very small.

01:44:43.040 He's almost like he is

01:44:43.800 the physique of Elf on a Shelf.

01:44:45.600 Remember Elf on a Shelf?

01:44:46.340 Oh, yeah, I know Elf on a Shelf.

01:44:47.360 I can see Brian.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, okay.

01:44:48.520 He has that small physique,

01:44:49.800 almost like somebody

01:44:50.320 set him somewhere.

01:44:51.300 Elf on the Shelf would trap,

01:44:52.300 so he does have nice traps.

01:44:53.180 Does he have nice traps?

01:44:54.320 Yeah, but his muscle,

01:44:55.160 his bone density's gone down

01:44:56.320 so much even in the past year.

01:44:57.560 Yeah, he's getting older.

01:44:58.920 You think you'll be tactical

01:45:00.140 or more on your emotions?

01:45:02.400 I'd go in, Mal, first.

01:45:04.180 I'd be one of the few people

01:45:05.300 to fucking, yeah, go in.

01:45:06.660 Get emotional.

01:45:07.440 Oh, Mal, bro.

01:45:08.340 Having someone slap you

01:45:08.940 in the wrap.

01:45:09.280 Just squealing.

01:45:10.000 Before the fight.

01:45:10.400 My finishing move is

01:45:11.340 I fucking hold him down.

01:45:12.980 Damn.

01:45:13.460 In a boxing fight.

01:45:13.860 And I cry straight into his mouth.

01:45:15.440 In a boxing fight,

01:45:16.220 that'd be sick.

01:45:17.200 Drown him, bro.

01:45:18.020 That'd be sick.

01:45:18.320 That'd be fucking epic.

01:45:19.020 Dude, you gotta think

01:45:19.740 of some crazy finishing moves, bro.

01:45:21.980 Dude, I have some.

01:45:23.380 I really do.

01:45:24.200 Like, we got so many.

01:45:24.640 Things that have never been done, man.

01:45:26.560 I do.

01:45:27.420 I have moves that have never been,

01:45:29.800 that people are gonna be like,

01:45:31.780 think I'm not real.

01:45:33.160 Yeah.

01:45:33.720 That's the goal.

01:45:34.560 People, I get in fights,

01:45:35.780 people are like,

01:45:36.060 was that real?

01:45:37.820 I wanna be that big of a character.

01:45:39.260 And we got the moves.

01:45:40.120 I have the techniques down.

01:45:41.760 Yeah, like this guy's using R3, isn't he?

01:45:43.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:43.860 They're gonna be.

01:45:44.340 Very interesting what he's doing.

01:45:45.380 The UFC game ain't gonna be able

01:45:46.520 to keep up with the shit

01:45:47.380 that I actually can do.

01:45:49.080 So it's gonna be sweet.

01:45:50.120 I'm excited.

01:45:51.440 It's nice to be healthy.

01:45:53.040 Right.

01:45:53.200 Like, really feel healthy

01:45:54.060 because with that strength

01:45:55.980 and conditioning program I'm doing,

01:45:57.100 I'm doing that

01:45:57.800 and building that dense bones

01:45:59.700 and I'm just eating healthy

01:46:00.860 so my body's so healthy

01:46:02.560 and when I'm healthy

01:46:03.320 and athletic like this,

01:46:04.560 I'm a dangerous motherfucker

01:46:06.080 and I have so many sweet moves

01:46:07.920 to finish people with

01:46:09.020 and you gotta remember,

01:46:10.280 I'm almost,

01:46:10.900 I'm 5'11

01:46:11.460 and most of the guys

01:46:12.940 in my division

01:46:13.980 are 5'7", 5'6",

01:46:15.060 like little dudes.

01:46:15.940 Yeah, yeah, no,

01:46:16.420 that length that almost makes me,

01:46:17.780 when I'm watching you,

01:46:18.500 it makes me nervous.

01:46:20.040 Yeah.

01:46:20.460 For some reason

01:46:21.040 because I'm like,

01:46:21.520 oh, because the visual is that,

01:46:23.380 oh, this guy looks,

01:46:25.440 you know,

01:46:25.900 like the,

01:46:26.460 who was the gentleman

01:46:27.560 who's stamen, stamen?

01:46:29.040 Oh, Cody Stamen, yeah.

01:46:30.020 Yeah.

01:46:31.280 When you look at him,

01:46:32.420 you're like,

01:46:32.780 Jesus Christ,

01:46:33.960 but so.

01:46:34.880 He's closer to five foot

01:46:36.220 than he is six foot.

01:46:37.620 You know what I mean?

01:46:38.220 So does that scare you though

01:46:39.400 when you see somebody

01:46:40.200 with that body,

01:46:41.100 like that physique?

01:46:44.540 It's just like,

01:46:46.520 I mean,

01:46:48.500 no, it's funny.

01:46:50.480 It's more funny

01:46:51.160 than it is scary.

01:46:51.680 Well, when you see a midget,

01:46:52.780 you get scared?

01:46:54.460 He's not a midget.

01:46:55.520 He's 5'3".

01:46:56.440 He's not a midget.

01:46:57.120 That's true, man.

01:46:59.620 You're right.

01:47:00.380 It's not scary.

01:47:01.380 No, no.

01:47:01.800 When they're jacked like that,

01:47:03.000 it's like,

01:47:03.720 okay, he's going to try

01:47:04.620 to take me down and hold me.

01:47:06.040 It's not scary

01:47:06.720 thinking like that

01:47:08.680 because they got to get inside,

01:47:09.720 got to get kneed,

01:47:10.540 elbowed,

01:47:11.180 kicked,

01:47:11.600 teeped.

01:47:12.220 There's a lot of weapons.

01:47:13.440 A lot of,

01:47:14.460 like it's dangerous

01:47:15.680 coming in to my range.

01:47:18.020 A lot of blades, bro.

01:47:19.060 A lot of blades.

01:47:20.420 A lot of blades

01:47:21.000 this guy's running with.

01:47:22.360 Yeah.

01:47:22.960 Sean O'Malley,

01:47:23.860 the Sugar Show.

01:47:24.500 Thanks, man.

01:47:25.080 Yeah, that was fucking awesome.

01:47:26.560 Thanks for coming in, bro.

01:47:27.660 Yeah, thank you.

01:47:28.160 It's exciting, man.

01:47:28.620 Tim, thank you so much.

01:47:29.680 Fuck yeah.

01:47:30.160 Good to meet you guys.

01:47:31.100 Yeah, and who?

01:47:32.580 JX.

01:47:33.020 JX, man.

01:47:33.500 Jesus.

01:47:33.820 You can call him Jesus.

01:47:34.420 Jesus.

01:47:34.940 And he does most of his

01:47:35.800 social media stuff.

01:47:36.700 Yep, Jesus does our podcast,

01:47:38.280 vlogs,

01:47:39.300 runs our Patreon for the most part,

01:47:40.760 like posting on stuff.

01:47:41.920 Imagine.

01:47:42.480 Yeah.

01:47:43.040 Dude, having that stuff going

01:47:44.160 is so huge, bro.

01:47:45.460 Fuck yeah.

01:47:46.000 A lot of people have that.

01:47:47.560 So thinking ahead like that, bro?

01:47:48.980 We're on top of it.

01:47:49.940 We got the squad

01:47:50.860 on top of everything.

01:47:51.640 Yeah, that's huge.

01:47:52.520 In my bones

01:47:54.360 But it's gonna take

01:47:57.280 A little time

01:48:00.020 For me to set that parking brake

01:48:03.860 And let myself unwind

01:48:06.620 Shine that light on me

01:48:10.640 I'll sit and tell you my stories

01:48:16.640 Shine on me

01:48:21.300 And I will find a song

01:48:25.540 I will sing it

01:48:27.080 Just for me

01:48:29.020 And now I've been moving way too fast

01:48:36.480 On a runaway train

01:48:37.880 With a heavy load of time

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