This Past Weekend with Theo Von

00:00:00.000 Today's guest is a man who first had me on a podcast as a human.

00:00:07.740 And he is one half of a member of Fighter and the Kids.

00:00:11.640 He is an actor, an entertainer, and a knowledgeable man.

00:00:20.880 Today's guest is comedian Brian Callens.

00:00:30.000 Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories

00:00:40.320 Shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing just for me

00:00:53.000 I wouldn't do it like on an, I wouldn't fuck Tim Welch up regularly.

00:01:03.460 It would be, it would have to be a special occasion.

00:01:06.840 Yeah.

00:01:07.620 Tim will grab you though.

00:01:09.020 Let him grab, man.

00:01:10.040 He's got a bag of tricks on him.

00:01:11.440 That's why I've been getting lean, bro.

00:01:12.960 Is that right?

00:01:13.620 Yeah.

00:01:14.360 Less to grab, bro.

00:01:15.220 You want to get me, you better get me by an organ.

00:01:17.160 Because they can't, because their hands just fall off.

00:01:19.680 It's like trying to grab a dolphin or something.

00:01:21.120 Oh, yeah, it's like trying to grab, oh yeah.

00:01:24.000 It's like trying to grab, uh.

00:01:25.920 Like, like, like, it's trying to grab the top of a cave, like an old cave,

00:01:29.840 or a piece of marble that's been tread upon for many, many years.

00:01:32.720 When you go to a.

00:01:33.880 It's like trying to grab diarrhea if somebody's on an all oil diet.

00:01:38.760 Yeah, that's true.

00:01:40.920 Sometimes when you go in the, um, if you're in like Rome or you're,

00:01:45.220 there's a well where people have been getting their water

00:01:47.940 and the marble is actually worn away from where people have been leaning.

00:01:51.540 No way.

00:01:52.140 Yes.

00:01:52.940 So that's when you know.

00:01:54.460 Or steps.

00:01:55.380 You can walk in, um.

00:01:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:57.480 There's some steps, dude, in the old country.

00:01:59.340 And you, and you, and it's, there's an indent.

00:02:01.260 The marble has been worn away from where people have walked.

00:02:04.300 My friend lives in a villa like that.

00:02:07.920 Wow.

00:02:08.400 And, uh.

00:02:09.400 Is he rich?

00:02:10.020 In Rovereto, or Trentino, in the north of Italy.

00:02:14.700 Jesus.

00:02:15.300 He used to be rich.

00:02:16.120 I'll spray my neck even saying that.

00:02:18.320 I know, the way they said, Rovereto, Trentino.

00:02:22.340 Oh.

00:02:23.700 Dude, by the time they're done saying it, I'm freaking nude, huh?

00:02:27.540 Are we rolling?

00:02:29.200 Yeah, man.

00:02:30.180 Nice.

00:02:30.800 And I'm not saying that I would take Tim Welch.

00:02:33.300 I want to.

00:02:34.040 Well, that's what you said, though.

00:02:36.360 You said, I'll take Tim Welch.

00:02:38.120 I think that's exactly what you said.

00:02:40.400 So I'd like to.

00:02:41.580 No, I meant what I meant.

00:02:42.800 That's Sugar Sean O'Malley's coach.

00:02:45.420 Yeah.

00:02:45.760 Now, I rolled with him.

00:02:47.540 And when I say rolled with him, we did a little flow grappling, a little light flow grappling.

00:02:50.980 Okay.

00:02:51.300 On the ground or on the feet only?

00:02:52.480 Just on the feet and the ground.

00:02:53.800 Feet on the ground.

00:02:54.380 We go feet and ground.

00:02:55.440 We go feet and ground.

00:02:56.740 And then sometimes I go in the air if I'm doing Kung Fu.

00:02:59.640 And, uh, uh, he's a gorilla now.

00:03:02.540 He's a gorilla.

00:03:02.980 That's a different kind of strength.

00:03:04.140 That's a man who hasn't stopped training and fighting forever.

00:03:06.980 Well, he likes to sit.

00:03:08.800 I know he has that.

00:03:09.740 Like a lot of gorillas.

00:03:10.660 You'll see that the, the, the orangutans, they will play in the trees.

00:03:14.620 They'll be milling around.

00:03:16.080 Yeah.

00:03:16.620 Orangutan.

00:03:17.500 He's a person of the forest.

00:03:18.240 Trading a dookie with another one.

00:03:19.940 But you'll see the gorilla is always sitting there and he just gets into some big beefy.

00:03:25.620 He's like a man orangutan, isn't he?

00:03:27.420 He really is.

00:03:28.320 Yeah.

00:03:28.720 Cause he's a ginger.

00:03:29.720 Yeah.

00:03:30.520 Yeah.

00:03:30.780 He's one of the rare ranga gingers.

00:03:32.800 He's a ranga ginger.

00:03:33.780 Or, uh, what do they call them in Australia?

00:03:36.780 They call them, uh, gangers.

00:03:38.620 Gangers?

00:03:39.080 I don't think they're Australian.

00:03:39.820 Ganger.

00:03:40.060 Instead of ginger, if you pronounce it ganger.

00:03:42.040 Oh, really?

00:03:42.640 A ganger.

00:03:42.940 Gangas.

00:03:43.520 Yeah.

00:03:43.740 These gangers.

00:03:44.900 Yeah.

00:03:45.160 He's a, he's a different kind of ginger though.

00:03:47.600 There's a brown to him.

00:03:48.140 I'm not saying I will take him.

00:03:49.180 I meant I will take him somewhere if he needs a ride.

00:03:51.500 That's what I meant.

00:03:52.480 I meant I will Uber.

00:03:53.720 All right.

00:03:54.340 For Tim Watch.

00:03:54.860 Look at him though.

00:03:55.600 Wow.

00:03:56.280 No, Tim, Tim, Tim.

00:03:58.120 And so will Sean.

00:03:59.460 Sean, Sean O'Malley.

00:04:01.440 It's so funny cause he fights at 135 and, and I'm 170 and obviously, obviously he'd knock

00:04:09.400 me out right now.

00:04:11.020 You think?

00:04:11.840 Yeah.

00:04:12.040 I'd be like, all right, let's go pop.

00:04:13.300 And then, you know, and if God forbid you try to roll with him because he'd do something

00:04:16.440 like get you in an, in an ankle lock or whatever.

00:04:18.420 How do you want to lose?

00:04:19.580 You want to fight Sugar Sean O'Malley?

00:04:20.660 If you and I have to fight Sugar O'Malley, how do you want to lose?

00:04:22.720 The question is, Theo O'Brien, how do you want to lose?

00:04:25.120 How do you want to lose?

00:04:26.320 If you want to hit, do you want an ankle lock?

00:04:28.000 Do you want to get knocked out?

00:04:29.040 Just, just, just tell.

00:04:30.540 I think you got to get him in that hard scarf, baby.

00:04:32.960 That's the only way to go.

00:04:34.020 Well, yeah.

00:04:34.560 You know, but I know, look, I, there's rumors out there about Sugar Sean's that he, he can

00:04:40.000 kick you and play, uh, Beethoven on your ribs with his toes at the same time.

00:04:44.660 Yes, he can.

00:04:45.140 Like there's just the level of speed that he has.

00:04:47.860 Well, he's got, he's got an ass on him.

00:04:50.140 See if you can bring up Sugar Sean O'Malley's ass.

00:04:53.040 He's got a tailpiece.

00:04:54.260 Does he?

00:04:54.700 Yeah, he's a thin guy, whereas he likes to wear tight pants, as well he should, and he's

00:04:59.280 got an ass.

00:05:00.640 My girlfriend was like, he's got an ass on him.

00:05:03.580 Really?

00:05:04.060 Yeah, she was drawn.

00:05:04.600 How can you even have an ass at 135?

00:05:06.460 You got to really get to 140 to even have that ass.

00:05:08.660 Well, he walks around probably at 155, 160.

00:05:11.540 That's a good point.

00:05:12.300 You know what I mean?

00:05:13.660 Yeah.

00:05:14.040 I hope his, uh, he has, uh, he has tarsal, he had a tarsal issue, I think.

00:05:17.320 So hopefully his tarsals are, are tight.

00:05:19.880 I hate having a tarsal issue.

00:05:21.640 I don't really, do we have to look at the ass of this man right now?

00:05:24.180 No, no.

00:05:24.520 I mean, we don't, I believe you, but I, you know what?

00:05:27.120 I, I, I, I feel like I notice if somebody has an ass and I don't, and there he is fighting

00:05:32.900 Josh Brolin right there.

00:05:35.340 Yes, he did.

00:05:36.200 And Josh beat him up.

00:05:37.480 Oh yeah, I know.

00:05:38.200 I can see that.

00:05:39.140 I had, but Josh is from a different era.

00:05:41.760 Yeah.

00:05:41.960 He's from like the Mesoloic dog.

00:05:44.140 He's from old school.

00:05:45.780 I had a bunch of stuntmen talking about, they worked on old boy.

00:05:48.940 I think it's called that, that remake of that Korean movie.

00:05:51.000 Oh, the Japanese movie.

00:05:52.300 Yeah.

00:05:52.320 Korean movie.

00:05:53.300 Well, come on.

00:05:55.260 We know what you're saying.

00:05:56.260 Yeah.

00:05:56.660 You know what I'm talking about.

00:05:57.920 Yeah.

00:05:58.440 And, uh, they all, the stuntmen said that guy's very strong.

00:06:02.300 Who, Brolin?

00:06:02.920 Yeah.

00:06:03.320 He was, he was, he's a bull.

00:06:05.460 Like he was able to do a lot of his own stunts.

00:06:07.220 They were, they were actually shocked at how strong he was.

00:06:09.420 Oh, I shook his hand before.

00:06:10.860 And it's like, you know, when you get up to like a door and it's locked.

00:06:15.060 Yeah.

00:06:15.480 It's the same type of thing.

00:06:16.640 Yeah.

00:06:16.980 Like, Oh, you can't really do much.

00:06:18.940 I've said, I, I shook a guy named Rich Incognito's hand.

00:06:22.380 He's, he plays.

00:06:23.140 Yeah.

00:06:23.380 Yeah.

00:06:23.760 I think defensive tacklers, offensive tackle.

00:06:25.900 Yeah.

00:06:26.060 He called out that gay, the other gentleman who he got an argument with, they get Larry

00:06:29.300 tonsil or whatever.

00:06:30.040 I think that was gay.

00:06:30.740 Yeah.

00:06:30.920 He got in trouble for bullying, I think, but he's always been a tough, which you should

00:06:34.460 do, I feel like if your job is being this guy.

00:06:38.980 Yeah.

00:06:39.460 Now he's so big though.

00:06:41.120 Like I, is that Kyle Turley's son, dude?

00:06:43.380 It might.

00:06:45.120 Wait, go to that, that picture right there where he's got that Bill's hat on right there.

00:06:49.660 Look at how, look at how just thick he is.

00:06:51.900 Oh yeah.

00:06:52.620 Look at how thick he is.

00:06:53.640 He's a, he's a blonde silverback.

00:06:55.620 I couldn't put my, he, he, I couldn't put my hand.

00:06:58.500 So when I shook his hand, my hand didn't reach all the way around his palm.

00:07:02.860 So his palm, his two of mine, it was so weird.

00:07:06.660 And then he didn't go both hands on his hand.

00:07:08.640 Like I had to go, yeah, I had to go, I had to go like this.

00:07:11.280 Use one hand as your knuckles and one hand as your hand.

00:07:14.060 I said, how much did you squat?

00:07:15.440 How much do you squat?

00:07:16.200 He goes, well, I mean, I used to, when I was going crazy, you know, probably, I don't

00:07:20.020 know, eight Oh five.

00:07:21.720 I went, he had to add the five pounds to the eight.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:24.360 He got a, I think he yelled at Tigerwood's son or whatever.

00:07:27.460 Jonathan Martin.

00:07:28.380 Jonathan Martin.

00:07:29.280 There he is.

00:07:31.420 If you could be a pro athlete at one sport, what would it be?

00:07:35.800 Cause you played what?

00:07:36.820 Basketball?

00:07:37.540 Football?

00:07:38.040 Played basketball.

00:07:39.360 You want to bring up the picnic?

00:07:41.840 We got a pic here.

00:07:43.080 Well, when we, we call him pic, that's his nickname is picnic.

00:07:47.000 Picnic.

00:07:47.800 When we, when we need a JPEG.

00:07:49.540 Oh, I got you.

00:07:50.500 You know, Nick was a premature baby.

00:07:51.860 Do you know that?

00:07:52.360 He's a tall kid, so I'm surprised.

00:07:54.620 He got a lot of, you probably drank a lot of milk as a boy.

00:07:57.320 I did.

00:07:57.820 I do love milk.

00:07:58.700 Back, back, back, Nick.

00:07:59.840 You come from, I'm going to guess, I'm going to come, I'm going to guess you come from

00:08:02.920 Scandinavian stock.

00:08:04.660 I actually don't know my family history that well.

00:08:06.760 He was adopted by his grandmother, dude.

00:08:09.620 I think I'm like German Irish.

00:08:11.700 Look at, look at Theo Vaughn.

00:08:14.320 There I am right there, dog.

00:08:15.640 Wow.

00:08:17.040 Wow.

00:08:17.340 Now you're the only white kid on that team?

00:08:18.900 Well, the other kid behind me was white and black.

00:08:21.440 Okay, so you were, you were the minority in that group.

00:08:25.280 Yeah.

00:08:25.820 You keep in touch with any of those guys?

00:08:27.600 Eh.

00:08:28.320 A lot of these guys didn't have phones in.

00:08:30.080 Do they have phones now?

00:08:31.480 Some of them.

00:08:32.660 Maybe.

00:08:33.040 One guy was 35 years old, the guy on the top right.

00:08:35.620 He looks like it.

00:08:36.760 Yeah.

00:08:37.280 Dude, he would drop his son off at school in the morning and then pretend that he wasn't

00:08:42.500 going to school and then coming to school.

00:08:44.800 It was crazy.

00:08:45.840 Yeah, he looks, he looks like he's got a mortgage, all kinds of issues.

00:08:48.880 Oh yeah, definitely, man.

00:08:50.540 Damn.

00:08:51.480 Basketball.

00:08:51.940 Funny how skinny we were as kids.

00:08:53.900 Oh, crazy, huh?

00:08:54.980 And then when you're skinny, your adults go, you're going to fill out.

00:08:57.720 Yeah.

00:08:58.060 I never filled out.

00:09:00.240 Really?

00:09:00.880 No.

00:09:01.580 What's one of, what is one of, how do you age gracefully?

00:09:04.420 I know that you've been aging or getting into aging.

00:09:06.880 Yeah, I've been getting into it.

00:09:07.700 And how do you age gracefully?

00:09:10.700 Do you feel like, um.

00:09:12.400 Stay productive?

00:09:13.680 Sleep?

00:09:14.220 Well, physical.

00:09:14.820 Let's start with physically.

00:09:16.100 You, sleep is the most important.

00:09:18.140 Most people are underslept.

00:09:19.440 Really?

00:09:19.820 But that requires, but then if you're going to talk about sleep.

00:09:22.480 I'll fucking sleep Tim Welch, dude.

00:09:24.320 Damn, dude.

00:09:25.080 Sorry, dog.

00:09:25.960 Dude, you got.

00:09:27.180 I don't know.

00:09:27.820 Dude, you're coming hard on Tim Welch right now.

00:09:30.560 None of this is going to end well.

00:09:31.980 Dude, he's.

00:09:32.780 I know that.

00:09:33.000 I can feel how mad he is right now.

00:09:35.040 I know that.

00:09:35.640 My phone's blowing up.

00:09:36.240 Tim already hears this.

00:09:37.300 I know that none of this is going to end well.

00:09:38.860 Tim, calm down.

00:09:40.040 I'll talk sense into him.

00:09:42.020 Damn, dude.

00:09:42.300 I know that none of this is going to end well or age well.

00:09:45.260 Damn.

00:09:45.700 When there's a video years from now of Tim Buckingham just sending me to Sayonara Town.

00:09:49.900 Just, yeah, yeah.

00:09:50.440 It was just working your body so he doesn't knock you out at first.

00:09:52.620 Just hitting you in the liver.

00:09:53.760 Hey, hey, hey.

00:09:54.460 He'll dress up like a lumberjack and just literally chop me down.

00:09:57.920 Just chop me down.

00:09:58.380 With his axe feet.

00:09:59.320 You look like a piece of wood to me.

00:10:01.380 Chat, chat.

00:10:02.720 Meet my Paul Bunyons.

00:10:03.900 He'll dress up like a woodpecker for Halloween and just show up at a party I'm at and just

00:10:09.700 take it to my neck.

00:10:11.160 You'll just take his feet and go, I got bunyons on my feet.

00:10:13.560 Time for you to meet my Paul Bunyons.

00:10:15.220 Yeah.

00:10:15.460 And start just kicking you about the legs until you get blood clots.

00:10:18.880 And I'll just be babe the blue blood clot.

00:10:22.140 Oh, they can kick you.

00:10:23.760 When they kick you down here or behind the knee, that Muay Thai shit, you can keep it.

00:10:28.680 They just have different bones.

00:10:29.600 We got Corey Sanhagen coming in today.

00:10:32.400 Corey Sanhagen is, Corey Sanhagen, his coach, Christian Allen, I watched that kid train

00:10:40.200 before anybody knew who he was.

00:10:41.620 I was at high altitude.

00:10:42.760 Really?

00:10:43.400 And that dude is easy.

00:10:45.500 And how do you get up to high altitude?

00:10:47.480 You don't have to have ladders to get into the building or something.

00:10:49.680 No, no, no.

00:10:50.240 It's just in Denver.

00:10:50.920 You just go to Denver.

00:10:51.840 Oh, wow.

00:10:52.460 Yeah, it's Cody Donovan's school.

00:10:55.980 And Christian Allen, who's a genius.

00:10:57.880 A genius.

00:10:58.440 He's a ninja.

00:10:58.900 Christian Allen's a ninja.

00:11:00.220 Wow.

00:11:00.480 And Christian Allen is, that was his protege.

00:11:03.620 Really?

00:11:03.840 I took a couple striking classes from Christian Allen, which I have no business doing.

00:11:07.000 There's absolutely no reason.

00:11:09.200 But I would go back to my boxing gym and use just some of the shit he taught me.

00:11:13.140 And it would fucking, they'd be like, what is that?

00:11:15.640 He's just like, he's this creative savant.

00:11:20.620 And Corey Sanhagen is a product of that.

00:11:23.520 And Corey Sanhagen has been training since he was 16 years old.

00:11:26.380 I don't see anyone in the 35-pound division.

00:11:31.900 I mean, I'll do respect to everybody there, because that's a stacked division.

00:11:35.900 But anybody who fights Sanhagen, if I had to put my money on the future champion, I got

00:11:40.540 to be honest, it's Sanhagen.

00:11:41.900 Well, he looks, the thing when you're watching him also, he looks like he has another 200 fights

00:11:48.120 in him.

00:11:48.620 Well, he does.

00:11:49.280 Like, he just, I think at that weight, too, those guys just don't wear down as quickly.

00:11:54.680 He doesn't take a lot of punishment, number one.

00:11:56.320 Yeah, and he's just on the move so much.

00:11:58.180 And he's also 5'11", 5'10", 11.

00:12:00.380 So he's like my height.

00:12:02.140 I'm 6'4", but he's, but I slouch.

00:12:03.960 And when I slouch.

00:12:05.060 But he's tall, and he gets down to 35.

00:12:08.780 And so he's doing shit.

00:12:10.740 It's this new shit.

00:12:12.120 You know, I was talking to Malik, who grew up boxing.

00:12:15.520 Larry Malik?

00:12:16.140 No, Malik B.

00:12:17.660 Oh.

00:12:18.520 Oh, yeah.

00:12:19.220 And Larry Malik.

00:12:20.100 He keeps changing his name, dude.

00:12:21.380 It's Malik.

00:12:22.200 Malik.

00:12:22.520 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:23.080 Yeah.

00:12:23.220 That's the weirdest thing.

00:12:24.020 Sometimes you'll meet a black guy who doesn't know how to pronounce his name.

00:12:26.180 Or it's Malik.

00:12:26.500 It's Malik.

00:12:27.920 Could be Malik.

00:12:28.580 It's Malik.

00:12:29.700 Malik.

00:12:30.100 Yeah.

00:12:30.620 I call him Malik.

00:12:31.560 I don't know.

00:12:31.780 I like the soft A.

00:12:33.300 I like, look, and look, honestly, seasonally, I will change up how I do the vowels in his name.

00:12:39.200 I will also call him Malak.

00:12:40.960 Malak is good.

00:12:41.480 You know?

00:12:42.120 Malak.

00:12:42.320 If it's an Egyptian holiday, I'll fucking go full Malak on him.

00:12:46.140 You know what Malik means in Arabic?

00:12:47.840 Uh-uh.

00:12:48.280 King.

00:12:48.920 No way.

00:12:49.640 Yeah.

00:12:50.000 He is kind of a king, man.

00:12:51.420 Yeah.

00:12:52.940 But he was telling me how boxing has changed.

00:12:55.340 Now he tries to spar with these younger dudes.

00:12:57.340 They're doing shit he hasn't seen.

00:12:59.180 Wow.

00:12:59.500 They're doing weird.

00:13:00.400 Because everything evolves.

00:13:01.860 People come up with, if you're in a gym and everybody's doing the same thing, you start

00:13:05.160 getting used to each other's patterns.

00:13:06.800 Then somebody comes along with, somebody innovates something different.

00:13:09.160 Yeah.

00:13:09.260 Somebody goes, I'm going to come in with a lead uppercut and a hook.

00:13:13.840 And you're like, but that's not supposed to be, that's not what happens.

00:13:16.400 But he's an unbelievable boxer, man.

00:13:18.480 Malak Bazel?

00:13:19.740 Oh, dude.

00:13:20.560 Try boxing with that guy.

00:13:21.920 I'm not fighting that guy.

00:13:22.780 He'll sleep you.

00:13:24.880 I'm not going to fight him.

00:13:26.360 No.

00:13:26.580 But wait, we were talking about.

00:13:28.060 And yeah.

00:13:28.800 We were talking about, oh, sleep.

00:13:30.200 Great aging.

00:13:30.880 Great strength.

00:13:31.140 So the fighter has more, the fighter and the kids has more fighters on it now.

00:13:34.420 Yeah.

00:13:35.480 Yeah.

00:13:36.120 So it's interesting because the only kids on there is Chappelle and Brendan.

00:13:40.040 Yeah.

00:13:41.060 And then it's you and Malak.

00:13:43.880 Malak.

00:13:44.780 Michael.

00:13:45.220 Mal.

00:13:46.540 Michael.

00:13:47.260 What season is it?

00:13:49.160 No, but you asked me how I age gracefully.

00:13:51.280 Yeah.

00:13:51.680 Let's get back into that, man.

00:13:52.800 So first I want to know physically, how do you age gracefully?

00:13:56.340 First of all, I think you have to sleep is everything.

00:13:58.800 Okay.

00:13:59.280 So, but the problem with that is that people go, I don't sleep well.

00:14:02.200 Well, are you eating a lot before you go to bed?

00:14:04.720 What kind of food are you eating?

00:14:06.340 Are you on any kind of like stimulants?

00:14:08.780 Now, what if you have a couple of Godiva chocolates?

00:14:11.740 It depends.

00:14:12.680 But as you get older, you're going to have more and more of a problem.

00:14:15.560 As you get older, you, you could, when I was younger, I could drink a bottle of wine,

00:14:18.860 red wine.

00:14:19.440 No problem.

00:14:20.060 I had energy.

00:14:20.680 I had energy.

00:14:21.520 Wow.

00:14:21.880 What was it in?

00:14:22.460 Was it in like one of those?

00:14:23.260 Can you bring up a cask of red wine, please?

00:14:25.940 I just want to know.

00:14:26.900 I drank it from a cask.

00:14:28.180 Did you?

00:14:28.580 Actually, you drink it from a, from a, from a leather bladder, from a flask, from an old

00:14:33.440 school flask.

00:14:33.960 I've heard stories of, uh, yeah.

00:14:37.660 Can we get an image of a cask of red wine?

00:14:40.520 Yeah.

00:14:40.880 That's a cask.

00:14:41.840 I think it's a wine cask.

00:14:44.180 See that?

00:14:44.780 You know what I was looking for more?

00:14:45.960 I was looking more for the, an old timey old.

00:14:50.260 A cask is what you, you transport it in maybe, or just you store it in or you, you age it in.

00:14:54.700 But, but, uh, a flask, you use a leather, a leather flask, you know?

00:15:01.520 I'm thinking if you have more of like that bladder, that more like.

00:15:04.220 That, that would probably change the taste of the wine.

00:15:06.300 You see?

00:15:06.900 You understand?

00:15:07.260 So you need, what you need is you need a glass bottle.

00:15:11.840 You age it under preferably 55 degrees.

00:15:14.680 That bitch wants to pull out a glass bottle with his buddies.

00:15:18.120 You guys are all on a mountainside relaxing.

00:15:20.000 That's the problem.

00:15:20.680 Yeah.

00:15:20.940 The women are, you know, if they want to do it, are doing washing down by the creek.

00:15:26.400 Or collecting berries.

00:15:27.800 Yes.

00:15:28.200 If it's a traditional, if it's a traditional hike, they're gathering and you guys are hunting.

00:15:33.040 Right.

00:15:33.400 I mean, I.

00:15:33.880 Right.

00:15:34.060 Everybody's playing there.

00:15:34.880 Everybody's doing, helping out.

00:15:35.920 And there's a room for the other person.

00:15:37.540 There are other genders that might be represented there who might do both.

00:15:40.760 Right.

00:15:41.280 Right.

00:15:41.620 Or who might choose.

00:15:43.380 Right.

00:15:43.660 To do, yeah.

00:15:44.440 Maybe one day the biggest hunter is like, oh, I'm going to go hunt berries.

00:15:47.500 You know?

00:15:47.660 That's right.

00:15:48.000 People are like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:15:48.820 That's right.

00:15:49.480 Calm down a lot.

00:15:50.580 Yeah.

00:15:51.920 We need you back up here, dog.

00:15:55.560 Yeah, but you.

00:15:56.380 Sleep.

00:15:56.580 Okay.

00:15:56.940 So sleep.

00:15:57.940 Water.

00:15:58.800 And then I think, I actually believe in.

00:16:02.900 Now, do you do water before you go to sleep?

00:16:05.420 Sometimes.

00:16:06.220 But I think more importantly is in the morning.

00:16:08.180 And then what I think is important is not eating too much.

00:16:11.500 Never overloading your system.

00:16:13.180 Never.

00:16:13.660 So if you, I do think intermittent fasting is a really good idea.

00:16:17.420 Wow.

00:16:17.840 And I think eating simply and not overloading your body.

00:16:21.000 You can feel it.

00:16:21.960 Dude, I've done, I haven't done intermittent fasting, but I've had mittens on before and

00:16:25.160 it's so hard to fucking eat with mittens on.

00:16:26.780 And that's the same goddamn thing.

00:16:28.140 Yeah.

00:16:28.580 How are you supposed to butter your toast with mittens?

00:16:30.440 It's impossible.

00:16:31.200 It's impossible.

00:16:31.540 It's impossible.

00:16:32.300 And then you're spitting out, whoop, wool, damn it.

00:16:35.700 And it's like, at least they're wool though.

00:16:37.100 And why do you wear wool?

00:16:38.200 When you, why do you wear wool when you're hunting?

00:16:40.360 Because you are trying to attract animals.

00:16:42.580 No.

00:16:42.900 Because you need.

00:16:44.540 Why would you wear wool instead of cotton?

00:16:46.660 I would wear wool instead of cotton because wool is warmer.

00:16:50.580 Well, it is, especially when.

00:16:54.000 When it is nighttime.

00:16:55.680 When it gets wet.

00:16:56.400 When it gets wet.

00:16:57.100 Yeah.

00:16:57.580 So wool gets wet better?

00:16:59.680 Yeah.

00:17:00.160 If you, cotton kills.

00:17:02.140 If you get wet in cotton, you're going to die.

00:17:05.440 If you get wet in wool, wool will actually keep you warm.

00:17:09.760 It acts almost like an insulating, like a, it's almost like a wetsuit.

00:17:15.640 So you'll stay alive longer in wool.

00:17:17.860 You don't want to be wet, period.

00:17:18.820 But wool, wool.

00:17:20.400 So that's why your first two layers when you go hunting or in the wilderness is always wool.

00:17:25.000 You don't, you can use polyester, maybe, but you want wool.

00:17:30.400 I don't want to do, I want to do, if I'm going outside, I like to have on wool socks.

00:17:35.300 Actually, if I'm on a long distance flight, I'll even wear wool socks.

00:17:37.920 Yeah.

00:17:38.580 That's where I'm at age-wise.

00:17:39.860 I got all kinds of things about it.

00:17:41.060 I'm terrified of the cold.

00:17:42.280 I'm afraid of the cold.

00:17:43.220 The cold makes me a coward.

00:17:44.000 So I always have warm shit in my car, including fire-making material.

00:17:49.060 Oh, yeah.

00:17:49.700 You know what I'm saying?

00:17:50.560 So does that, so I guess I do, but not really.

00:17:54.400 I mean, if I can, you know, you live in Venice.

00:17:56.900 I know, I know.

00:17:57.480 Like, there's enough homeless who's making fires over there these days.

00:18:01.360 I know, but in case it goes to the wolves, maybe the vegetation.

00:18:03.740 Oh, for sure.

00:18:04.700 Maybe there's a virus and vegetation gets crazy, and now we're in this tropical jungle because

00:18:09.100 of global warming, and now I got to make a fire.

00:18:11.260 Here's a question right here, man, from Peter Rion, son.

00:18:15.000 Hey, Peter, take your hood off.

00:18:16.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:16.700 Damn, kid.

00:18:17.680 What's up, Brian?

00:18:18.620 What's up, Theo?

00:18:19.780 Coming here from Los Angeles.

00:18:21.380 I ran into Brian about two years ago in Venice.

00:18:25.700 I was too much of a bitch to say what's up.

00:18:28.560 My biggest regret in life, pretty much.

00:18:31.120 But speaking of Venice-

00:18:32.620 I didn't see you.

00:18:33.300 I would have said hi.

00:18:33.860 Maybe, yeah, Brian, you can talk about-

00:18:35.340 No, he said he was a bitch for not saying hi to you.

00:18:37.520 Oh, okay.

00:18:38.220 But I respect the fact you thought he called that you were the bitch.

00:18:40.580 No, I always say hi.

00:18:41.480 I'm always super nice.

00:18:43.180 Gym vibes.

00:18:44.720 A lot of homosexuality there.

00:18:47.760 Amen, brother.

00:18:48.400 A lot of people touching people in odd places.

00:18:51.400 You have any experience with that?

00:18:53.600 Maybe some tips on how to navigate the waters and just get your workout in.

00:18:58.840 A true alpha like Brian would know.

00:19:02.020 Thanks.

00:19:02.840 And he was talking about specifically the Venice Golds.

00:19:05.600 Yeah.

00:19:06.040 Well, I'm very, very appreciative of that question because I was working out in the

00:19:09.660 Golds in Hollywood when I was a young man.

00:19:12.520 I was cute.

00:19:13.080 When I was a young man, I knew I was getting older because gay men stopped looking at me.

00:19:15.760 Oh, yeah.

00:19:16.060 You understand?

00:19:16.600 Now, when I was younger-

00:19:17.500 They just give you money at that point.

00:19:18.940 Yeah.

00:19:19.260 When I was younger, I was skinny, but I had a pretty face.

00:19:22.040 I had a delicate nose.

00:19:24.680 My jaw was well-defined.

00:19:26.720 Oh, damn.

00:19:27.400 Write this down, man.

00:19:28.300 I had heavy eyelids.

00:19:29.540 Not heavy eyelids, but you could see the-

00:19:31.680 Oh, yeah.

00:19:32.260 You could see the meat on your eyes.

00:19:32.840 Even though I just had my lids.

00:19:34.060 It doesn't work.

00:19:34.860 I was cute.

00:19:36.780 And I was doing these.

00:19:39.240 I never liked lifting weights.

00:19:40.460 I was just like, whatever.

00:19:41.240 But I'm there and I'm doing everything wrong.

00:19:42.480 Well, those are unique, too.

00:19:43.540 Those are those kind of like I'm a kangaroo look at me.

00:19:46.180 Yeah, it's for your triceps.

00:19:48.200 I never could do it.

00:19:49.200 I hated working out where I was just doing curls.

00:19:51.880 I was like, I can't do it.

00:19:53.640 I want to do something where I feel like I'm becoming more athletic, not looking like a bodybuilder.

00:19:59.920 Right.

00:20:00.680 So I'm doing this stupid bodybuilding thing, and a guy gets behind me.

00:20:05.260 He gets behind me and goes, doing it wrong.

00:20:08.160 A white guy?

00:20:09.040 Yep.

00:20:09.400 He goes, you're doing it wrong.

00:20:10.940 What's up?

00:20:11.720 And he goes, get your butt in there.

00:20:13.040 And he kicks my knee.

00:20:14.560 And he grabs my elbows.

00:20:16.900 And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck is going on here, man.

00:20:20.220 And you just went with it.

00:20:21.260 We dated for like three years.

00:20:22.780 I know.

00:20:23.740 And then I was like, I'm straight.

00:20:25.140 And I ran out.

00:20:26.040 I was like, I can't do this anymore.

00:20:27.580 But you get confused.

00:20:29.100 Do you know what I mean?

00:20:29.820 No, I know what I'm saying.

00:20:31.020 The answer to that question is, sometimes you can get like, what the fuck?

00:20:34.100 And you're living with each other.

00:20:35.020 You have two small dogs.

00:20:36.040 You have a vegetable garden.

00:20:36.960 And you're like, I'm not gay.

00:20:38.360 But it can take a while.

00:20:39.460 It can take a while.

00:20:40.060 It's comfortable.

00:20:40.660 It can get comfortable when you're shacked up with a man.

00:20:43.380 They lull you in with the wind chime.

00:20:45.460 You go to their house, and there's wind chimes.

00:20:46.820 Oh, yeah.

00:20:47.440 And some of the wind chimes, it's other young men screaming for help when the wind hits the pipe.

00:20:52.720 Help me, help me.

00:20:55.700 Let me get out of here.

00:20:56.820 I've been attracted to, there's a guy yesterday.

00:21:00.580 There's no way out of here.

00:21:02.420 That's crazy, bro.

00:21:03.620 I'm like, where do you get that wind chime, dude?

00:21:06.740 And why does each chime have a person's name written on it?

00:21:09.660 Do you have somebody somewhere in this house?

00:21:12.120 Is there somebody under the floorboards?

00:21:14.220 Yeah.

00:21:16.300 That's Edgar Allan Poe, man.

00:21:17.920 Yeah, it is Edgar Allan Poe.

00:21:19.300 Telltale heart, dog.

00:21:20.220 Goddamn right, brother.

00:21:21.020 Hey, orders on the floorboards, dog.

00:21:24.120 Okay, so sleep and water helps.

00:21:26.820 But yeah, to get back to this man's question, sorry.

00:21:30.240 A lot of men, and look, one thing that's not discussed a lot of times in America is the aggression of,

00:21:37.440 it's always looked at that men, straight men are the predators in America.

00:21:42.060 There is also predatorial behavior by gay men, and it is unchecked.

00:21:48.840 There's nobody monitoring it.

00:21:51.200 There's nobody...

00:21:53.160 Well, it's guy on guy crime, so guys are...

00:21:55.300 Right, but you see how, I think you can quickly see how women are disgruntled by the behavior of men,

00:22:04.600 sometimes, by men flirting with them, because it happens so aggressively with men, you know?

00:22:11.580 Yeah, that's very true.

00:22:12.960 It's just, it's tough to like...

00:22:15.200 And there's no...

00:22:16.020 And if you go to the supermarket at Whole Foods and you're a good-looking woman,

00:22:19.180 you know you're going to be dealing with energy.

00:22:22.840 Yeah.

00:22:23.140 It's like, it's almost like being a celebrity,

00:22:25.700 where you know all those people want to talk to you, and they're going to.

00:22:29.280 Something's going to happen.

00:22:30.020 Yeah.

00:22:30.560 You know what I mean?

00:22:31.500 Yes.

00:22:31.780 It's going to be, you're going to have to, first of all, you're aware of how you look,

00:22:35.080 because you have to be, because they're staring at you.

00:22:37.020 You know they're going to look for an excuse to talk to you.

00:22:39.140 You know they're going to try to stop you.

00:22:41.500 It's all that exhausting.

00:22:42.340 It's like being on a decent podcast.

00:22:44.660 It's like being on a decent podcast.

00:22:46.400 It really is.

00:22:47.200 I love your podcast, bro, and then they want to take...

00:22:49.080 Yeah.

00:22:49.560 God bless, but you know, it's different for women.

00:22:52.100 For guys, it's like, ah, you know, they like me, but for women, it's...

00:22:54.900 But for women, yeah, there's more of a...

00:22:56.340 It's exhausting.

00:22:56.980 I bet it's exhausting.

00:22:58.060 But then you also get dangerous, like guys who follow you and shit.

00:23:00.800 But there's always that danger, I think, for women, where men don't have to deal with

00:23:04.900 that.

00:23:05.480 Men can always...

00:23:06.520 It's just different.

00:23:07.420 Right.

00:23:07.680 If a dude follows you back to your place, you can be like, hey, dude, what are you doing

00:23:10.640 in my place?

00:23:11.260 Yeah.

00:23:11.660 Whereas women, it's more like, yeah, it's got to be...

00:23:13.960 It's probably a lot scarier.

00:23:15.120 Yeah.

00:23:15.760 But it's getting...

00:23:16.940 If a guy follows you back to your place, you know, as a guy, you can be like, well, make

00:23:19.980 sure you close the door, whatever it is.

00:23:21.320 Yeah.

00:23:22.420 Yeah.

00:23:22.860 Can I get you a drink?

00:23:24.640 Yeah.

00:23:25.080 Can I get you a...

00:23:26.800 But wait, so aging gracefully...

00:23:30.400 Is that what we were talking about?

00:23:31.860 Oh, no, you were trying to answer his question.

00:23:32.800 I was trying to answer this guy's question because I feel like this doesn't get talked

00:23:36.660 about enough.

00:23:38.460 That there is mans that will do anything to be gay with you.

00:23:45.200 And an attractive...

00:23:47.220 Here's what I realized the other day.

00:23:48.400 The hottest guy that a gay male can get is a straight male.

00:23:55.760 I've heard that from other gay men.

00:23:57.320 No, the hottest girl.

00:23:58.080 That's their hottest girl.

00:23:58.920 Like, our hottest girl is like a hot girl.

00:24:00.740 It's like, I got to get a hot girl.

00:24:02.500 The hottest girl for a gay man is a straight guy.

00:24:06.500 That's their hottest girl.

00:24:08.400 Turning a straight guy.

00:24:09.680 Yeah.

00:24:10.180 Yeah.

00:24:10.420 And, like, people are like, yeah, it's like, first of all, the term turning a guy straight

00:24:17.200 sounds...

00:24:18.140 There's a physical fucking element to it.

00:24:21.500 It sounds like a fucking crime.

00:24:24.000 Yeah.

00:24:24.760 I don't know.

00:24:26.200 It's still a guy.

00:24:27.580 I've seen women...

00:24:28.620 Like, there was a guy yesterday I saw who was a host of a...

00:24:32.920 He was, like, seating people.

00:24:34.460 Mm-hmm.

00:24:34.860 And he was tall.

00:24:37.160 He was dressed so well.

00:24:38.960 And he was so effeminate.

00:24:40.100 Mm-hmm.

00:24:40.460 He smelled so good.

00:24:41.780 Mm-hmm.

00:24:42.000 And he had short, blonde hair.

00:24:43.640 And he was just, like...

00:24:44.380 He was perfect.

00:24:45.280 And he had really delicate features.

00:24:46.760 He was beautiful.

00:24:48.080 He looked like a beautiful...

00:24:50.040 He was so androgynous.

00:24:51.780 Like a little...

00:24:52.480 Yeah, like a...

00:24:52.920 And he was super nice.

00:24:54.480 And he had a kind of a very non-threatening voice.

00:24:57.300 And you...

00:24:57.720 And I was looking at him, and I was like, I'm definitely...

00:25:00.560 I'm drawn to this...

00:25:02.040 This might be a man, but he's got so much feminine energy.

00:25:06.340 That's Rome.

00:25:07.040 That's that Roman vibe.

00:25:07.920 Yeah.

00:25:08.320 That you're like...

00:25:09.000 You're like, you know...

00:25:10.100 It wasn't that I wanted to have sex with him, but I appreciated how beautiful he was as

00:25:14.460 a creature.

00:25:15.260 I'd feed him olives.

00:25:16.240 Yeah.

00:25:16.440 I'd never...

00:25:16.860 I didn't even know.

00:25:17.500 I was like, I'm not gonna call him a guy or a girl.

00:25:19.080 This is where the gender fluid thing makes sense.

00:25:21.440 Yeah.

00:25:21.560 And that's where we're headed, I feel like.

00:25:23.340 Well, I have a theory on all of it.

00:25:26.020 Like, right now, we're trying to deal with this non-duality, right?

00:25:28.760 Right.

00:25:28.880 So, you know the idea behind...

00:25:30.700 So, a lot of this gender stuff comes from Jacques Derrida, who talked about...

00:25:35.920 So, when you have a dualistic mind, most of us have a dualistic mind.

00:25:39.040 I do, probably.

00:25:39.940 I don't know.

00:25:40.560 I might.

00:25:40.820 Well, so, male, female...

00:25:41.540 I do.

00:25:41.900 You know, male, female, reason, passion, like, you know...

00:25:45.200 Oh, yeah.

00:25:45.640 I have all that.

00:25:46.320 Logic, superstition.

00:25:47.820 Yes.

00:25:48.160 We break the world up into two, male, female, yin and yang, hot and cold.

00:25:54.080 And what Derrida said, I think Derrida was fucking the biggest mental masturbator of all

00:25:58.580 time, but what he said was, he said, if you have a dualistic sense of mind, you automatically

00:26:04.340 privilege one over the other.

00:26:07.060 You automatically are gonna privilege male over female, maybe hot over...

00:26:10.940 There's a tendency to privilege, so reason over passion.

00:26:15.960 Be reasonable.

00:26:17.640 Be logical.

00:26:18.340 Don't be superstitious.

00:26:19.620 When we have this...

00:26:21.260 Be the mind over the heart.

00:26:24.820 You know, that's always the battle.

00:26:26.460 The mind or the spirit over the flesh.

00:26:28.860 So, we think dualistically.

00:26:30.840 And so, the idea is, when you do that, you're gonna always favor one...

00:26:34.560 We construct, as human beings, maps of meaning, and you're gonna always favor one over the

00:26:41.380 other.

00:26:41.620 And when you do that, automatically, if that's your language structure, there's gonna be built

00:26:48.560 in prejudice.

00:26:50.420 There's gonna be a built in power structure.

00:26:52.460 You understand?

00:26:53.440 And so, the idea behind a non-dualistic way of thinking, the idea behind going beyond male

00:27:01.780 and female, for example, and gender, is the idea that that's how you...

00:27:05.220 Beyond going black and white, you know, the idea is racist, non-racist, how about anti-racist?

00:27:12.160 The idea is that you will sort of not favor one over the other.

00:27:17.840 And maybe there's value in favoring the one that you usually don't favor over the other.

00:27:22.680 Right.

00:27:22.800 You gotta switch it up so you fuck with your brain.

00:27:24.980 Right.

00:27:25.220 So that you fuck with the entire power structure.

00:27:27.460 Right.

00:27:27.680 That would be the idea behind...

00:27:29.300 That's what's going on in the universities.

00:27:30.860 That's what's going on in the humanities.

00:27:32.180 That's what Jordan Peterson talks about.

00:27:33.560 That's why you have this huge fight with gender now.

00:27:37.880 Right?

00:27:38.220 So now you have...

00:27:39.740 It's very interesting.

00:27:40.560 Because the feminists are having a big problem with the transgender community.

00:27:45.980 Because for a lot of feminists, they're going, wait.

00:27:48.400 You're saying you're a man...

00:27:50.120 You're a biological man, but you're saying you identify as a woman.

00:27:52.660 And so now you're trying to be on equal footing with women.

00:27:57.020 Meaning, for example, you should be able to compete in women's sports.

00:28:01.060 Which means women who are biological get their scholarships taken away because you might be physically just more advantaged.

00:28:06.840 You're a man.

00:28:07.920 So it's very interesting to see how the feminist movement is grading up against the trans movement.

00:28:12.780 It's becoming this whole crazy debate.

00:28:15.380 Becoming the fucking WNBA.

00:28:17.040 Yeah.

00:28:17.660 You asked me, bro.

00:28:18.220 Out of the game.

00:28:18.740 But no, I feel you because...

00:28:19.500 But it all comes from a philosophy, a French philosophy.

00:28:21.780 It comes from Foucault.

00:28:22.980 It comes from Derrida.

00:28:24.340 I mean, if you look at the fathers of these kinds of thoughts, it's very interesting.

00:28:28.260 So you're saying that because we got stuck in this old idea of black or white, male or female, that now things...

00:28:37.500 It's starting to become...

00:28:38.640 The picture is becoming muddier, but we're still kind of chained to some of these old ways?

00:28:44.880 We are because that's the way our brains work.

00:28:47.240 Right.

00:28:47.420 And I don't know if some of it's evolutionary or biological.

00:28:50.140 I would imagine a lot of it's evolutionary.

00:28:51.780 But...

00:28:52.380 Right.

00:28:52.580 A lot of it is evolutionary.

00:28:53.820 A lot of it is like us...

00:28:55.300 Because, yeah, a lot of the things I hear and read some days, it's like, this just...

00:28:59.340 This sounds cool.

00:29:00.680 It's a neat idea.

00:29:01.700 Yeah.

00:29:01.960 But it's not going to flow, actually flow through the system that I am made of.

00:29:07.080 Well, when you get to the level of detail, it's really hard to implement.

00:29:10.240 Right?

00:29:10.580 But I have to say that as somebody who felt very uneasy about all this woke shit, I will say this.

00:29:18.260 I know that if you watch commercials now, it's always a mixed couple, right?

00:29:23.600 So it's like a black man with a white woman, a white woman with a black man.

00:29:27.640 And so there's this forced sort of diversity inclusion thing.

00:29:33.720 But what I like about that, in a way, is that it is...

00:29:37.360 Kids are growing up with the idea that that's the normal.

00:29:41.140 Right.

00:29:41.620 It used to be, with my generation, if a black and a white person got married, it was always like...

00:29:46.780 Oh, you call them zebras.

00:29:48.500 Yeah.

00:29:49.060 Yeah.

00:29:49.240 And now it's like what the left wants to do, and I understand it, is kind of try to erase all that from your mind.

00:29:56.960 Don't see color and don't even see gender.

00:29:58.980 Because if you make it an issue, the problem is when you try to do that, you're actually making it an issue.

00:30:03.000 So that's the trap that you have to get out of.

00:30:04.920 Right.

00:30:05.020 And I don't know how to get out of that.

00:30:06.200 But I do appreciate, I will say that in a lot of ways, a lot of this woke shit is...

00:30:12.660 Like, so, if you're trans, if you're a child and you do have this gender thing going on, like you're a man, but you feel like a woman, I really do believe that's a biological thing.

00:30:22.280 I do believe that there are some people that just are born that way.

00:30:25.800 They're born into a male body.

00:30:27.360 Oh, it makes sense.

00:30:27.420 Yeah, they're born into a male body, but they feel like a woman.

00:30:29.680 There's so many people.

00:30:30.860 Dude, I used to do it when that Shania Twain song would come on, if I'm real honest with you.

00:30:35.360 I would be honest.

00:30:36.260 I would close my door and do the damn...

00:30:37.940 Well, we all have...

00:30:39.000 Put on the floor.

00:30:39.560 We all, you know, there's, it's all a spectrum.

00:30:42.680 Some people are more feminine, more masculine.

00:30:45.060 Right.

00:30:45.380 And we certainly get caged into what is expected.

00:30:50.160 There's a lot of conditioning in the world for sure.

00:30:52.660 Like, this is the way I'm supposed to be.

00:30:55.000 And so, yeah, I think it's, it's a, there's a lot, it's a, it's a lot to piece apart.

00:31:02.480 It is because, but I think that what I think is technology and gene editing and...

00:31:09.560 And meshing with computers, if you read the singularity is near, you know, human beings

00:31:15.860 are going to start being able to not only control their own biology, their own evolution,

00:31:20.620 but they might be able to control even their own, I don't know if it's sex, but the idea

00:31:28.700 of transforming into what you actually want to be through gene editing as an adult is not

00:31:35.240 far, it's not far-fetched.

00:31:37.860 It just isn't.

00:31:38.820 You will be able to eventually, right now the process of turning into a woman is crude.

00:31:43.900 Right.

00:31:44.120 It's hard.

00:31:45.140 It's, it requires a great deal of surgery and things like that.

00:31:48.800 Stirrups.

00:31:49.520 All that stuff.

00:31:50.600 I think eventually what's going to happen is when we have the technology...

00:31:54.760 You think it'd be a gesture of genes in real time?

00:31:56.720 Yes.

00:31:57.220 To genetically, you know, you will be able to genetically morph into the female, the biological

00:32:03.940 version of yourself as a female.

00:32:07.760 And that's not, that's not at all unscientific.

00:32:11.260 Now, now we are already going to be at, how would we talk about gender now?

00:32:16.280 So a lot of this is almost like this.

00:32:18.800 I always try to look at these big trends as, as evolutionarily.

00:32:22.140 It's like, it's just, there's an evolution to it.

00:32:24.520 There is.

00:32:25.300 Right.

00:32:25.460 Well, sometimes it's, it's hard to like with, with media and like them pushing people certain

00:32:30.080 ways, it's hard to sometimes know what is like just where things are going and what

00:32:35.100 is like, okay, lead the people trying to lead you over there for like commercial value,

00:32:40.320 you know?

00:32:40.740 Well, like that's a hard thing to notice sometimes.

00:32:42.760 But yeah, I think as like, I can't imagine if you could press a button or take a tonic or

00:32:49.080 something and over like a week period, you'd be like, yeah, I'm fucking, yeah, I'm doing

00:32:54.300 drywall right now, but in a week I'm going to be a fucking, at least an aid in Florida,

00:32:59.420 you know, a female aid.

00:33:00.640 And you would be.

00:33:01.080 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:01.740 That's crazy.

00:33:02.840 You would be.

00:33:03.540 And then you see your buddies down there who's doing drywall.

00:33:05.960 He's down there because you got a different job.

00:33:07.620 He got relocated.

00:33:08.620 Well, and you guys just see each other in an elevator and you're like, holy shit, man.

00:33:11.440 That's already happened, but now it requires a great deal of surgery.

00:33:14.640 Right.

00:33:14.860 It's very rudimentary, they call it.

00:33:16.580 Yeah.

00:33:16.920 It's physical and rudimentary.

00:33:18.680 I mean, it's a real hacksaw Jim Duggan in there.

00:33:21.140 I mean, you basically.

00:33:22.080 Yeah.

00:33:22.640 Look, and then here you go right here.

00:33:23.980 Now this, this guy.

00:33:26.360 This is Gabrielle Ludwig.

00:33:28.520 It recently went viral.

00:33:29.900 People try to say this is just happening.

00:33:31.880 She's playing for Santa Clara Community College, but it was actually from 2012, but she was a

00:33:37.100 former Navy SEAL.

00:33:38.460 Oh, come on.

00:33:39.180 Yeah.

00:33:39.580 Really?

00:33:39.820 Yeah, USA Today profiled her struggles of being on this team, but again, back in 2012.

00:33:45.160 She's already a one percenter when it comes to men biologically.

00:33:49.400 Right.

00:33:49.600 She's six three or six four.

00:33:51.240 Eight.

00:33:51.900 Six eight.

00:33:52.640 And she was a SEAL?

00:33:54.020 Six eight is too tall for a SEAL, I think.

00:33:55.900 Right.

00:33:56.320 And so there's these other girls like.

00:33:57.720 Card and naval tattoos.

00:33:59.120 Yeah.

00:33:59.800 First of all, she could.

00:34:01.120 Ex-Navy soldier, not SEAL.

00:34:02.720 Sorry.

00:34:02.920 Yeah.

00:34:03.180 Sorry.

00:34:03.500 And Professor, or Senator, not Senator, Admiral Ludwig could easily be some of these women's

00:34:11.980 fathers.

00:34:12.700 Okay.

00:34:13.080 Easily.

00:34:13.320 How old is she?

00:34:14.620 50.

00:34:15.420 At the time she was 50.

00:34:16.700 50.

00:34:17.680 When she died.

00:34:18.500 Dude, she fucking got her dime on and fucking balled out.

00:34:21.000 What is going on here?

00:34:22.200 Like I, to me.

00:34:23.920 Look, I've long said white men should be allowed to play in the WNBA.

00:34:27.620 I've long.

00:34:28.460 As have I, but that's not a white man.

00:34:30.080 That's a white woman, Theo.

00:34:31.320 Right.

00:34:31.620 Now it is.

00:34:32.960 But see, but here's what's.

00:34:34.800 I think also a lot of our, like the structure we know so far, like all the rule books are

00:34:40.340 male based and female based.

00:34:41.900 Like there's a lot of people that don't want to like, you get stuck in the patterns and of

00:34:46.760 what was, of what the way things have been.

00:34:48.860 And it's hard to be like, okay, now we're going to just change it up, you know?

00:34:54.240 Well, and change takes time too.

00:34:55.740 I'm not against it.

00:34:56.720 It's just like.

00:34:57.700 Yeah.

00:34:57.880 But wait a minute.

00:34:58.820 If you're a mother and you've dedicated your whole life to getting your daughter to practice

00:35:04.480 and to get a scholarship because you don't have the money, you need the money.

00:35:08.240 And your daughter's really gifted at tennis or she's really gifted at wrestling or she's

00:35:12.160 really gifted at.

00:35:12.820 Or singing like Selena.

00:35:14.000 Well, no, singing is not a good example.

00:35:15.160 I'm talking about a sport.

00:35:16.520 She's, she's, she's, she's got a scholarship.

00:35:18.160 So a body sport, not a sport.

00:35:18.860 Yeah.

00:35:19.000 She's got a scholarship to basketball or track.

00:35:21.200 Okay.

00:35:21.680 And a man, a biological man says, I'm now a woman.

00:35:26.060 I'm not going to get any, I'm not even going to get any estrogen.

00:35:28.140 I'm just a woman.

00:35:28.940 I identify as a woman.

00:35:29.900 And goes and decides to compete and takes that scholarship away from your daughter.

00:35:39.660 You can understand how frustrating that would be.

00:35:44.020 Oh, it'd be heartbreaking.

00:35:44.620 For the mother and for the daughter.

00:35:46.680 Yeah.

00:35:46.840 And also why feminists now go, wait, wait.

00:35:51.460 Wait, we've been fighting so hard to get these.

00:35:52.800 How do we navigate this?

00:35:53.820 Right.

00:35:54.140 How, I don't know how to navigate it.

00:35:55.860 The TERFs.

00:35:56.760 Yeah.

00:35:57.260 Well, look.

00:35:57.860 Trans exclusionary radical feminists.

00:35:59.120 Well, so, so then if you bring that up though, you're called a transphobe or you're, no, no,

00:36:03.580 no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:36:04.800 That's not fair either.

00:36:06.460 We're just trying to solve a problem and bring up an issue that is real.

00:36:11.580 So now what do we do about that?

00:36:13.720 Like, what, what do you do about that shit?

00:36:15.960 I don't want somebody who feels different or feels like they're a woman or a, or vice

00:36:23.020 versa, but they were born another sex.

00:36:25.860 Yeah.

00:36:26.120 I don't want them being excluded.

00:36:28.460 Right.

00:36:30.340 But at the same time, you know.

00:36:32.060 They can't be cheating and just putting a Camara on every fricking, you know, chick at

00:36:37.120 105.

00:36:38.960 That's what's, yeah, that, but that's kind of what's, that's the dilemma.

00:36:45.240 Right.

00:36:45.640 And it makes sense because you're making a lot of rules where it's like, okay, whatever

00:36:48.780 you identify as, that's what you can play as.

00:36:51.260 So of course, some people's going to bend the system.

00:36:53.960 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:54.540 Yeah.

00:36:54.680 But that's a political, that's also an ideological and political stance.

00:36:58.820 So if you can just identify and whatever you say, but that's what it's getting to be.

00:37:02.920 Well, so then that means that whatever you conceive and conceptualize is truth, then this

00:37:12.020 is Derrida, then there's no truth.

00:37:14.480 So in other words, if we don't have a standard on which we can stand, if there's not a standard

00:37:20.640 standard that we can more, that we can anchor into.

00:37:24.200 Right.

00:37:24.740 Just so that we can know that we can distinguish.

00:37:28.540 Of course.

00:37:28.900 Life is distinguished.

00:37:29.760 You have to have that.

00:37:30.900 Well, but, but, but no, because there are a lot of, there's a philosophy out there and

00:37:35.160 it comes from Derrida and that says, no, there should be zero categories.

00:37:40.320 It's why the Maoists put everybody in the same uniform and with the same haircut.

00:37:46.500 It was the idea of eradicating literally any distinction.

00:37:52.140 But mother nature is going to have her say in that.

00:37:54.640 Of course she is.

00:37:55.440 You know, it's, of course she is.

00:37:56.820 And also the number, this is what gets me, the number of people that it applies to, to

00:38:05.540 immediately take that template and put it against the, the bill, the, the majority, the

00:38:13.820 mass majority.

00:38:15.460 Yeah.

00:38:15.800 And then a lot of times they try and force it in immediately.

00:38:20.760 That's the kind of shit where you get so much rebuttal because it's disrespectful to

00:38:25.200 just force it in immediately.

00:38:26.240 I know it's disrespectful also to, it's a little bit more than that, buddy.

00:38:29.680 If you even talk about this, if you even, and now, if you were to, if you had the point

00:38:37.240 of view, say you had the point of view that there are two sexes or that there, that your

00:38:41.700 biology is what sticks.

00:38:43.680 Okay.

00:38:44.500 You'll get de-platformed.

00:38:46.080 You're considered, you're, you're, you're practicing hate speech and you will be de-platformed

00:38:51.740 from everywhere, including YouTube.

00:38:55.080 Really?

00:38:55.440 And, and, and Patreon, anywhere else.

00:38:57.780 Damn.

00:38:57.800 It's called hate speech.

00:38:58.020 So we can think stuff like that?

00:38:59.140 We can't say it?

00:38:59.880 You're not, you're not allowed to speak.

00:39:01.860 So where do you say it?

00:39:02.800 You just go, what, chisel it into a bench somewhere?

00:39:04.620 The First Amendment doesn't really exist anymore.

00:39:07.600 Damn.

00:39:08.380 And that's very dangerous.

00:39:10.020 Puts up signs saying.

00:39:11.820 It's very dangerous.

00:39:13.460 And nobody, I don't think enough people are talking about it.

00:39:15.500 And I certainly don't think enough people who are pushing this narrative really understand

00:39:19.180 what's what.

00:39:20.000 No, a lot of people are just chasing clout.

00:39:22.280 They're chasing a weenie and, and vagina.

00:39:25.900 They just want all the, they want any type of fucking body, you know, genital clout.

00:39:30.360 But what I'm saying is, have a separate league for these, for the middlemen of the universe.

00:39:40.120 You know?

00:39:40.980 Because, yeah, it's like, if, if I'm a, a, a young lady who's worked my butt off and is

00:39:47.440 about feminists, you know, like women, we need the opportunity, this and that.

00:39:54.020 And then a fella comes along and he.

00:39:58.200 But you have lawyers on the left who are now calling this.

00:40:01.940 They're, they're on the left.

00:40:03.120 They, they fight for a lot of, you know, a lot, a lot of liberal causes.

00:40:06.100 I can't remember the woman's name, but she's a champion of, she's a left-wing lawyer and

00:40:10.720 she's a champion of all these causes, the social justice causes.

00:40:13.520 And she said, she said, this is misogyny.

00:40:17.660 And I was like, damn.

00:40:19.120 She said it's misogyny if it's a man and if it's a transgender person?

00:40:22.660 She was saying that, that for men to come into women's sports now like this.

00:40:26.600 But these aren't men.

00:40:28.220 Well, she was saying that, that.

00:40:29.960 These are rooks.

00:40:30.740 Biological men who are coming into female sports because they identify that, you know,

00:40:35.720 they identify as women now.

00:40:37.040 She was saying, you know, you hear the women on the other side, you hear feminists now fighting

00:40:42.540 that.

00:40:43.100 Right.

00:40:43.340 So it's a fight, man.

00:40:44.960 And I just sit back and I'm like, damn.

00:40:47.640 And then you got science.

00:40:48.740 Put them at straw weight.

00:40:49.740 Look, I say, get them at a weight where, is there a weight class you could get them at

00:40:55.700 if you say specifically UFC?

00:40:57.960 Yeah.

00:40:58.220 Is there a weight class you could get them at where it would be, where it evens out a little

00:41:02.940 bit?

00:41:03.760 Yeah.

00:41:03.940 But the problem with that is that you've got a different bone structure and you've got

00:41:07.540 like, so when you're talking about punching people in the face and speed and all that

00:41:13.020 and even, I think women and men have a different read on split second timing.

00:41:22.760 So women tend to hesitate.

00:41:24.600 Even the high champions hesitate just a split second.

00:41:28.320 Oh, women will start bitching in an instant.

00:41:30.060 Than men do.

00:41:31.380 Yeah.

00:41:31.580 And so that's a huge advantage in striking.

00:41:33.960 So you've got so many issues.

00:41:35.740 So when you're talking about women in fighting, you're talking about transgender women in

00:41:40.040 fighting, what stage are they at?

00:41:42.420 Like what stage are they at in their transition?

00:41:44.600 How much estrogen they have in relation to testosterone?

00:41:47.500 Do they still have the different bone structure and the different muscularity that gives a man

00:41:52.880 much bigger advantage?

00:41:54.080 I think there should be then a separate league or something.

00:41:57.960 And I hate to separate it, but it's just, it's when you start catering to,

00:42:02.520 you have to cater to the masses first.

00:42:07.860 It's just, I feel like it's where you have to, it's the most people, you know, it's like,

00:42:12.860 it's like the same when you get all these people to reconfigure their bathrooms and do all the,

00:42:17.280 it's like, there's nobody transgender in this town, but you're going to have a news media come here

00:42:23.640 and say these bathrooms are for men only.

00:42:25.900 Well, there's only 11 people in town.

00:42:28.180 People are trying to piss.

00:42:29.020 Yeah.

00:42:29.400 In some ways that's the strength of this country though.

00:42:31.680 Like in some ways the, maybe in, in, in, in, I'm not trying to be old sided.

00:42:35.680 I just think you have to like, yes, you welcome them in and you find a way to do it, but it

00:42:41.640 can't be immediate.

00:42:42.720 And that's sometimes that where I think the media fails is, is they want it immediate.

00:42:47.020 They want it now.

00:42:48.100 And well, I think the better way to put it is that you, you want to protect the marginalized

00:42:53.100 and the minorities rights, right?

00:42:55.780 Right.

00:42:56.020 Not at the expense of other rights.

00:42:58.640 And that's the balancing act.

00:43:00.060 So if, if, if you're, if you're trumping other rights or you are discriminating against another

00:43:06.840 group to make room for this new group of victims or whoever you consider to be marginalized.

00:43:12.420 Right.

00:43:13.100 Now you're just, now you're just moving money from one column to the other, but you're not

00:43:16.620 really actually making the world more equitable.

00:43:18.280 You're, you're actually, so, so, so the idea would be if you have to have California, if

00:43:24.560 you're a publicly traded company in California, you had to have, if you had a board of seven,

00:43:30.000 if you had a board of five, two had to be women.

00:43:32.560 If you had a board of seven, four had to, or three had to be women.

00:43:36.380 They just enforce that, right?

00:43:37.820 So you have to have women on your board.

00:43:40.380 Now they want color.

00:43:41.560 Now it has to have diversity.

00:43:42.640 So if you are, if you are the board, if you represent the board, you're on board of a

00:43:46.480 company, which makes decisions for the company.

00:43:48.680 Okay.

00:43:49.120 It's a public traded company.

00:43:50.480 Yeah.

00:43:50.700 You now have a diversity quota and you now have an, this is enforced.

00:43:54.320 I don't know if they got the diversity quota through post, but they did with the female

00:43:58.500 course.

00:43:58.820 So the board cannot be all male, no matter what.

00:44:01.480 So if you have, so, so the idea is if you're really qualified for the job, but you happen

00:44:06.200 to have balls, you know, and a dick or whatever, or a certain chromosome, you are excluded.

00:44:13.040 You can't, you got to take a back seat.

00:44:15.140 So now, now you're discriminating against men for having, for having their biology.

00:44:19.400 And now you have to have a conversation about biology.

00:44:21.200 And if you're going to have, if you're going to enforce biologic women are allowed, have

00:44:25.200 must be on the boards.

00:44:26.480 Well, now what about, what about gender fluid people?

00:44:30.500 What about, are you going to represent trans people?

00:44:33.180 And that is why you relocate to another state where they're not.

00:44:35.900 That's what happens.

00:44:36.900 Right.

00:44:37.320 That's because it's just, don't know how to do business that way.

00:44:39.780 Cause if you have a business and you, and you're, you're responsible to your shareholders,

00:44:43.380 you go, wait, I want the best people.

00:44:45.820 I don't give a shit what they are.

00:44:46.960 I want the best people on the, on.

00:44:48.460 Yeah.

00:44:48.840 Especially if it's a small family business.

00:44:50.940 Now you got your son cutting his penis off just so he can work at the shop.

00:44:54.600 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:55.380 Like, this is publicly traded.

00:44:56.780 Theo, you're going too crazy.

00:44:58.020 Okay.

00:44:58.360 My bad, man.

00:44:59.120 Yeah.

00:44:59.320 But yeah, it's just like, but it just feels like that as a small business owner, you feel like,

00:45:02.400 well, if my business ever grows, I'm going to have to fucking, you know,

00:45:05.200 you know, get, you know, I'm going to have to install a dick on my wife just to fucking

00:45:09.700 make ends meet over here.

00:45:11.400 But that paranoia in your head as a business person, you're like, I'm going to go to a

00:45:16.460 place.

00:45:16.960 The government comes in and forces you to do that.

00:45:19.020 That's, that's mandated.

00:45:21.040 And, and so now what you're doing is you're enforcing equality.

00:45:24.340 Yeah.

00:45:24.580 You're enforcing equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity.

00:45:27.060 And what they're doing in Hollywood, if you want your movie to be in, in the Oscars now

00:45:32.640 being Oscar.

00:45:33.560 Oh yeah.

00:45:33.900 You need to have an amoeba in there.

00:45:35.380 You got to have, yeah, you have to have color in the cast, but you have to have color behind

00:45:39.740 the scenes too now.

00:45:40.640 But it's gotten, which look, I think it should all be, I kind of believe it should all be

00:45:45.640 based on just the percentages of the people that are in the country.

00:45:48.620 Like, you know, if the, if a ethnicity is a certain percent, then that percentage should

00:45:53.580 be, you'd be in trouble with that.

00:45:55.060 Do you think?

00:45:55.380 Oh my God, it's a terrible idea.

00:45:57.200 Terrible idea because, because then, then, then you're, then again, all you're doing

00:46:01.540 is looking at numbers and P you, you need the people that get jobs should be the ones

00:46:06.200 who are the best for the job.

00:46:07.740 Right.

00:46:08.160 I agree.

00:46:08.780 That's what it is.

00:46:09.680 If, if, if, if the most people are great for it, yeah, if most people are great for

00:46:13.460 the job are, are all black women, then all black women should be in there.

00:46:17.260 Right.

00:46:17.640 If, if it's all Asian and all Asian, I don't give a fuck whoever's best for the job, man

00:46:22.220 and have blind auditions the way they did.

00:46:24.220 So with, with, uh, orchestras, they were all male.

00:46:27.080 So they started just having blind auditions.

00:46:28.980 So you couldn't see if it was a man or woman playing that instrument.

00:46:31.280 Yeah.

00:46:31.600 You go behind a curtain and play and you just have to hear.

00:46:34.260 Guess what?

00:46:35.900 Women now represent even more than half of the, uh, of the instrumentation in, uh, I think

00:46:42.640 the San Francisco Philharmonic and the New York Philharmonic.

00:46:45.120 Oh yeah.

00:46:45.380 You see a lot of those harmonics, a lot of ladies out there, a lot of dimes out there playing

00:46:48.920 on the flute, on the, uh, lyre.

00:46:51.140 Do you play an instrument?

00:46:52.980 Uh, what did I, I'll play a little bit of piano.

00:46:55.440 Oh yeah?

00:46:55.940 Yeah.

00:46:56.320 For real?

00:46:56.720 I'm getting me a little, uh, I got me a little, nice little place over there and, um, at the

00:47:01.660 moment in Nashville, I got a place in Airbnb, Airbnb, I'm keeping my place here, but I'm

00:47:04.620 getting a nice piano.

00:47:05.500 Yeah.

00:47:06.180 I'm going to take even some more lessons.

00:47:06.780 Are you going to be there, uh, March 3rd?

00:47:08.140 I'm doing another live podcast.

00:47:09.880 You are?

00:47:10.520 Another live podcast, March 3rd.

00:47:12.020 That's in like a week.

00:47:12.660 At Zany's.

00:47:13.400 Yeah.

00:47:13.820 Oh wow.

00:47:14.300 I know.

00:47:14.660 I forgot.

00:47:15.480 Yeah.

00:47:16.160 I got to start promoting it.

00:47:17.880 I'll be there, man.

00:47:18.600 But we're me and Steve Byrne.

00:47:19.440 We got Travis Trick coming on.

00:47:20.860 We got Jordan Peterson coming back on.

00:47:22.200 Oh, really?

00:47:23.600 Oh man, I love that guy.

00:47:24.700 Pretty excited about this.

00:47:25.700 Here's a beautiful lady right here, or, uh, or this could be a man.

00:47:29.240 I have your Jordan Peterson book too.

00:47:30.980 You do?

00:47:31.360 Awesome.

00:47:31.720 Thank you.

00:47:31.900 I love that book.

00:47:33.000 It's the, he's got a new one coming out.

00:47:34.040 Oh, I got to read that.

00:47:34.920 Yeah.

00:47:38.140 Hey Theo.

00:47:38.960 Hey Brian.

00:47:39.700 My name's Marissa.

00:47:41.200 Um, Brian, I know that you speak French.

00:47:43.000 Um, and I do a little bit too.

00:47:45.000 And I actually saw you in Dallas and I thought your whole French bit was hilarious.

00:47:49.620 Um, so my question is,

00:47:51.460 quand est-ce que vous avez appris la langue française parce que vous la parlez très bien et je l'ai adorée.

00:47:58.480 Ah, merci.

00:47:59.040 Et aussi, uh, quand est-ce que vous allez retourner, uh, à T-Fat-K?

00:48:05.660 Um, so in English, I said, when did you learn the language French?

00:48:11.620 Yes.

00:48:12.120 And, um, when do you think you will return it?

00:48:14.080 L'érection.

00:48:15.420 So thanks guys.

00:48:16.220 Let me say that.

00:48:16.920 Uh, je prenais le français quand j'habitais à Liban, quand j'étais un petit garçon.

00:48:28.000 Oh.

00:48:28.620 Je vais à l'école là-bas.

00:48:30.720 Ooh.

00:48:31.500 All right.

00:48:31.760 Je vais à l'école.

00:48:33.320 Um, yeah, so I went to school in, I went to French schools in Lebanon when I was a kid.

00:48:38.980 And, uh.

00:48:39.620 War-torn Lebanon, huh?

00:48:40.940 That's right.

00:48:41.560 I was in the war there for, for about seven months.

00:48:44.080 We were evacuated to Greece.

00:48:45.200 Ugh.

00:48:45.760 And then, uh, I will be, I, I've already done two episodes.

00:48:48.360 And Greece fucking fell apart.

00:48:48.820 Everywhere you go kind of fucking falls apart.

00:48:50.500 It falls apart, dude.

00:48:51.640 Yeah.

00:48:52.040 Not to say that with you right here, but.

00:48:53.720 No, but I was doing some CIA work.

00:48:55.420 I was, I was, I was organizing coups.

00:48:57.380 Oh, yeah?

00:48:57.920 Yeah.

00:48:58.440 Dude, Brennan's still coups sometimes.

00:49:00.000 That guy's fucking the worst vocabulary I've ever heard.

00:49:03.280 He's the only one who, him and Boston will talk, but Boston will lead the conversation.

00:49:08.240 It's unbelievable.

00:49:10.460 Boston.

00:49:10.940 I haven't seen, I haven't met Boston yet.

00:49:12.380 You haven't?

00:49:13.060 No.

00:49:13.300 Oh, fine as fuck, bro.

00:49:15.580 Take it easy.

00:49:16.960 Just say cute.

00:49:17.640 Don't say fine, bro.

00:49:18.760 You're talking about a baby.

00:49:19.800 Bro, but this baby is about that life, son.

00:49:23.980 No, no, no, I don't.

00:49:24.800 Oh, this baby's been at.

00:49:25.780 I don't feel comfortable with this.

00:49:26.560 This baby's been at pool parties, dude.

00:49:28.220 I'm telling you.

00:49:28.940 No, no, no.

00:49:29.360 The baby's big, though.

00:49:30.460 The baby's got a head on him.

00:49:31.540 The baby's got a freaking whoo.

00:49:33.320 He's going to be as big as daddy.

00:49:34.440 Oh, that baby is fine, dude.

00:49:36.520 Hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:49:37.320 No, that baby's cute.

00:49:38.220 It's cute.

00:49:38.800 Yeah, baby.

00:49:39.660 It's cute.

00:49:40.520 I don't like the way you're, no, no, you're dragging out your words, bro.

00:49:43.220 Sorry, man.

00:49:43.780 Sorry, sorry.

00:49:44.020 Don't say cute with like four U's in it.

00:49:45.940 You can't do that, bro.

00:49:47.060 And you're wiping your mouth right now, bro.

00:49:48.500 My lips is getting.

00:49:49.240 I'm not comfortable.

00:49:50.280 Damn.

00:49:51.220 Damn, dude.

00:49:52.660 Damn, man.

00:49:53.460 Yeah, you're right, bro.

00:49:54.600 Thank you for the question, s'il vous plaît.

00:49:57.240 She's très joli, très joli.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:49:59.580 Mon, right there, look at that.

00:50:01.700 Vernon trying to hide my time.

00:50:02.740 Oh, my God.

00:50:03.400 Look at that.

00:50:07.340 Look at that hair.

00:50:07.960 Trying to get my girl drunk, drunk, dog.

00:50:10.220 Vernon trying to get my girl drunk right there.

00:50:12.540 No, no, dude.

00:50:13.600 That's a boy.

00:50:14.460 Don't say girl.

00:50:16.580 Don't say my girl.

00:50:17.680 Let him decide, okay?

00:50:19.920 No, bro.

00:50:20.740 Okay, you're right.

00:50:21.580 I did.

00:50:22.220 I don't know how he identifies yet, but I think he identifies as a boy.

00:50:25.780 At least you got to let the parents decide for the child and then let the child when they're older.

00:50:32.020 But I mean, it's like Boston, the Boston Strangler, if he goes in UFC.

00:50:37.280 Boston Strangler.

00:50:38.260 The best name.

00:50:39.060 It's actually good.

00:50:39.720 Already.

00:50:40.200 Boston the Strangler.

00:50:41.480 Yeah.

00:50:41.800 So, we got a new website done, and I like it.

00:50:48.220 I love it.

00:50:48.880 You do?

00:50:49.320 Yeah, super functional.

00:50:50.700 Yeah, that's it.

00:50:51.740 That's it.

00:50:52.120 It's functional, and it's reliable in the sense that if we need help with it, this company is right there to do it, and this company is called Modify.

00:51:01.240 What did they do that's different than the old one?

00:51:04.840 They just added basically all the functions we were looking for to fit our podcast.

00:51:09.900 We can upload video questions, songs, voicemails, and it's all in one spot, and it's specific features we ask for.

00:51:17.020 So, maybe if you have a different company, they can put features you need for you.

00:51:20.320 Right, so if you have a company, if you have a design, a plan, something, you need a website.

00:51:24.960 You need some real estate on the web.

00:51:27.940 Well, the group that can help out is called Modify.

00:51:31.480 That's right, Modify.

00:51:33.560 M-O-D-I-P-H-Y dot com slash Theo, and they are basically offering the last website you will ever need.

00:51:43.740 There's no cost to build, no contract, unlimited updates, unlimited supports, custom design, easy editing tools, future redesigns, all for just how much, Nick?

00:51:57.740 I'm actually not sure because I don't have the copy in front of me.

00:52:01.740 $249 a month.

00:52:05.420 Unbelievable.

00:52:06.400 Imagine how much fun you can have with a website that's constantly going to be updated.

00:52:11.580 $249 a month.

00:52:12.860 They did our website, TheoVon.com.

00:52:15.440 They did a great job, and we know it's in reliable hands.

00:52:18.620 Look, you've got to have real estate, and you've got to have it on the web, and that's where your business needs to be.

00:52:24.640 Modify.com slash Theo, M-O-D-I-P-H-Y dot com slash Theo for the last website you'll ever need.

00:52:34.840 All right.

00:52:36.520 Dude, we've got to get you a hood hat, man.

00:52:38.700 Do you got any La Crosse Wisconsin?

00:52:40.720 Any Wisconsin at all?

00:52:41.840 I mean, I think there's like a, is there a DeKalb, Dubuque, what is there, Le, Le, what am I thinking of in Wisconsin?

00:52:53.140 Le, Leclerc, no.

00:52:55.320 La Crosse?

00:52:55.900 No, there's some other place.

00:52:58.900 Fond du Lac?

00:53:00.240 Ooh, Fond du Lac sounds illegal.

00:53:03.020 I wouldn't want to be a child growing up there.

00:53:05.640 But anyway, Hood Hat is a company that basically you can go to their website, and you can customize a beautiful merino wool cap that will kind of take your head to the next level.

00:53:20.840 You can pick out colors that kind of fit your vibe, fit your hood, basically.

00:53:26.040 So you would do where?

00:53:27.760 La Crosse?

00:53:28.240 La Crosse if they had one.

00:53:29.860 I'd rep some of the bigger cities.

00:53:31.900 MKE, Milwaukee Hat.

00:53:33.540 Okay.

00:53:33.880 What about your neighborhood?

00:53:34.920 What neighborhood do you grow up in in La Crosse?

00:53:36.700 The South Side?

00:53:37.600 I don't know.

00:53:38.020 There we go.

00:53:38.600 She might go South Side, La Crosse.

00:53:41.400 Where I'm from, I might go, let me think, McGee Street.

00:53:45.840 Or I might just do Covington, Louisiana.

00:53:48.620 Or I might do Mandeville.

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00:54:43.760 And now back to the episode.

00:54:45.120 Thanks, Nick.

00:54:45.900 You're welcome.

00:54:47.040 Thank you.

00:54:47.840 Yeah, man.

00:54:48.540 It's, I guess you're right because now the whole discussion has come back to full circle.

00:54:53.760 Where it's like the original argument is now butting up with, it's just going to become a spiral that's, it's a never ending.

00:55:01.940 So how do you figure it out in the West?

00:55:03.820 We figured out a way around this stuff.

00:55:05.840 I mean, I'm not saying the West didn't have its share of all kinds of prejudice and all that, but the West has done a really, at least the West is the first country to talk about it and tackle it head on.

00:55:17.360 Yeah.

00:55:17.560 And respect the rights without killing, killing people.

00:55:22.540 That's a good point.

00:55:23.160 So, you know, so, but the West, the idea, the idea, I'm not saying we've implemented it very well, but much better than any other country.

00:55:30.880 The idea is you treat people as an individual because if you start categorizing people, you'll never run out of categories.

00:55:39.680 I mean, if you want to include men and women on the board and that's mandated, what about people under four feet tall?

00:55:46.300 What about dwarves?

00:55:47.860 What about dwarves?

00:55:48.660 What about, what about people who have, who are deaf?

00:55:53.400 Where are we going to stop this?

00:55:54.380 Oh, we need the deaf, man.

00:55:55.420 Where are we going to stop this?

00:55:56.440 What about the blind?

00:55:57.520 You, you, you are going to, what about trans?

00:56:00.100 Are you, are you going to have, are you going to have to have, represent every category?

00:56:04.760 You would never run out of categories.

00:56:06.860 Let them keep going, man.

00:56:07.840 Which is why you treat people as individuals and you have a meritocracy.

00:56:10.580 It's the only way at the level of detail to run a society.

00:56:14.300 You can't do it any other way.

00:56:15.800 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 And, and when you, and also I don't mind if you have a company and you don't even ask

00:56:19.880 people up, I don't think you should ask people a sexual orientation or any of that because

00:56:24.700 obviously, well, obviously you don't want to give somebody a reason to discriminate.

00:56:29.080 So don't make anything.

00:56:31.040 Right.

00:56:31.440 Yeah.

00:56:31.580 That's the thing.

00:56:32.200 It's like by not, yeah, it's like everything is just become such a thing.

00:56:35.440 It's, it starts to feel impossible to even communicate.

00:56:37.840 And the tough part is that, you know, I say a lot of times that tech, tech is the new fossil

00:56:44.000 fuel, you know, it's like bandwidth is the new oil.

00:56:47.140 It's like, we're all slaves.

00:56:49.040 Yeah.

00:56:49.380 And it's like, we've, and it's monopolies, man.

00:56:52.560 They're, oh, it's insane.

00:56:53.960 It's absolutely insane.

00:56:55.540 But I wish that someone would come out with an app and, but the problem is they wouldn't

00:56:59.620 be able to platform it now that would tell you which companies support, which, what their

00:57:06.700 beliefs are.

00:57:08.060 That way you could start to have dual company, you know, people that aren't as, yeah, you

00:57:13.560 can start to have a competition where then it's going to be like, okay, yeah, I'm like,

00:57:17.760 I might have some of these beliefs, but also some of these beliefs.

00:57:20.600 I want to support a company that has more beliefs like I have, you know?

00:57:25.140 Well, but then I just feel like you, I don't know.

00:57:28.960 But then it would start to affect the company's pocketbooks and then you wouldn't see so many

00:57:32.500 companies, I feel like, be so outspoken.

00:57:34.780 Well, I'm worried.

00:57:35.800 Make their employees feel like they have to vote a certain way or this type of thing.

00:57:39.420 Like I worry about, I wish there were more options for, and there are becoming more and

00:57:43.780 more options for technology.

00:57:46.060 Yeah.

00:57:46.280 There are, there is technology that's, that's coming out where you won't be as, as reliant

00:57:51.460 on all the massive companies.

00:57:53.320 At least I'm hopeful.

00:57:54.500 I don't think that's good for anyone, but I am concerned and I am sympathetic.

00:57:58.960 To big tech's worry about misinformation, malinformation, and disinformation.

00:58:04.560 That's very dangerous.

00:58:06.080 But that's always been out there.

00:58:07.620 Like you could always listen to an idiot.

00:58:09.760 I know, but say, say you have a platform.

00:58:11.480 Say you, say you're Facebook.

00:58:12.960 Okay.

00:58:13.680 And, and you, you, you have a technology that you've invented.

00:58:17.640 Okay.

00:58:17.940 And everybody's on Facebook.

00:58:19.380 And all of a sudden the government of a country, because it's worldwide, the government of that

00:58:24.620 country says, they start planting stories on Facebook that you know are categorically

00:58:29.520 false, that are demonizing a minority, um, political group because they might be the Uyghurs,

00:58:36.940 they might be the Rohingya, they might be whatever in certain countries.

00:58:39.380 And you go, and you start talking about how, how they, they kill children or they, you do

00:58:46.020 whatever to rouse up the majority in your country's ire, to rouse up their anger.

00:58:51.600 And you just start planting fake stories and you get more and more people, more and more

00:58:55.900 outraged about CNN, whatever it might be.

00:58:58.900 And now you have, now you have a vigil, vigilante mob of 5,000 that have all been talking on

00:59:04.820 Facebook and they decide, let's go kill these Rohingya, these Uyghurs, these, uh, these trans

00:59:14.340 people, these, these Republicans or these Democrats over here, or these liberals or these conservatives

00:59:20.580 over here.

00:59:21.320 Right.

00:59:22.040 History is full of that.

00:59:23.620 I mean, the czar in Russia, when the economy and shit was going bad, he would say, you know

00:59:29.980 what?

00:59:30.320 Let's blame the Jews.

00:59:32.120 Let's go.

00:59:32.820 Hey, hey, hey, all you guys, it's the Jews that are doing this.

00:59:37.120 So you'd have mobs of, of men with bats and knives, and they would come into the Jewish

00:59:43.300 pales, the ghetto and fucking burn down the synagogue and kill as many people as they could

00:59:49.940 and rape everybody and do all kinds of horrible things.

00:59:52.920 That was the story of the Jew in Russia forever.

00:59:57.660 And that's where the Zionist movement was born.

00:59:59.960 The idea was, if this is going to keep happening, we're going to keep getting killed.

01:00:03.680 We need a homeland.

01:00:04.820 We need a homeland.

01:00:06.100 We have nowhere to go because we're always a minority.

01:00:09.340 So, so what I'm saying is that now with Facebook and with big tech, if you're allowed to spread

01:00:14.580 information, if you're really organized about it and you're allowed to spread information

01:00:18.540 that is categorically false, but it's also galvanizing an enemy, galvanizing people to

01:00:25.160 actually take violent action.

01:00:26.860 Right.

01:00:27.320 Like people that trade Pokemon cards on those.

01:00:29.700 But what if they're doing it?

01:00:31.400 Which apparently they were, I think, at the Rohingya, I think at Burma or whatever, Myanmar.

01:00:34.920 So people were really doing this.

01:00:36.940 They were meeting on Facebook groups and then having beliefs and then going out and taking

01:00:42.080 action.

01:00:42.420 Yes.

01:00:42.960 So now you have someone like Mark Zuckerberg.

01:00:46.800 What's Zuckerberg and all of them supposed to do?

01:00:49.420 They're responsible.

01:00:51.060 They're looking at the moral responsibility.

01:00:53.500 They're looking at all the responsibility.

01:00:56.620 They're looking at the financial, I mean, the legal responsibility.

01:00:59.800 But it's also just a moral thing.

01:01:01.460 But also a problem because they don't know how to deal with that.

01:01:03.800 I wouldn't know how to deal with that.

01:01:05.040 How the fuck do you deal with that?

01:01:06.140 So now you've got to get really, really kind of you've got to get really draconian about

01:01:10.480 it.

01:01:10.960 Now you've got to be like, look, if you guys are going to start talking about masks that

01:01:15.140 are not being effective or you're going to start talking about how vaccines are not

01:01:18.500 effective, which, by the way, they are effective.

01:01:21.160 If you're going to start talking about that and you're going to start spreading all these

01:01:24.780 documentaries that don't have any basis in science.

01:01:27.700 I'm just using it as an example.

01:01:29.780 I guarantee I'll get a lot of shit just for saying that.

01:01:32.700 But if you keep doing that, right, they have to kind of go, the science is saying this

01:01:40.420 and you guys are saying this.

01:01:42.860 They have to take a stand.

01:01:44.200 Right.

01:01:44.460 But then you're going to be stuck by what that person's views of the world are and what

01:01:49.180 they.

01:01:49.660 It's tough.

01:01:50.520 Like, because what if they have a total, their upbringing is totally, they live from a

01:01:56.820 complete different place.

01:01:57.980 And I think you have a lot of these people are all from the same spot, the same type

01:02:01.500 of tribe and the same type of, you know, there are a lot of the same just type of people.

01:02:08.440 So I just did an interview.

01:02:09.820 Same ilk.

01:02:10.440 Yeah.

01:02:10.700 Same ilk.

01:02:10.980 I did an interview with Alistair Bostwick.

01:02:12.760 It's on YouTube now.

01:02:14.260 And he was a reporter for Huffington Post, for BuzzFeed, and now he works for Verizon.com,

01:02:19.840 which is kind of like, you know, he's a really good journalist.

01:02:23.340 He just did a crazy video on Woody Allen and how one side of that piece was on Woody Allen.

01:02:28.160 I mean, he's basically defending Woody Allen, but, you know, he's a liberal guy.

01:02:31.140 But he said he was talking about how I said to him, I said, why is the press so left wing?

01:02:37.960 And he goes, because most of the people who are in the press are from L.A. and New York

01:02:42.880 and Chicago and the big cities.

01:02:45.180 And they just happen to be younger people who tend to lean left.

01:02:47.840 It's not like a conspiracy.

01:02:49.480 It's that they tend to be socially progressive.

01:02:51.800 And so what you're going to get is you're going to get more people in journalism who happen

01:02:54.860 to be of that, the way he was describing it was really interesting.

01:02:58.260 Right, that makes sense, kind of.

01:02:59.220 Yeah, so like you said, it's the same ilk.

01:03:01.280 If you have one particular ilk, and they're usually educated,

01:03:05.020 they're usually super educated from really good schools,

01:03:07.820 and they tend to come from socioeconomic backgrounds that are of higher class.

01:03:12.680 Right, so they have a different, but that perspective of the world,

01:03:15.140 growing up like, dude, some of my richest friends have been the absolute most scared about this pandemic.

01:03:22.880 Smartest friends have been the most scared about this pandemic,

01:03:25.540 that it's just ridiculous, you know?

01:03:27.940 Yes, exactly.

01:03:28.340 So I think there's a level there, too, where it's just so overkill

01:03:31.440 and so out of touch with what, like, a regular working day-to-day man and woman couple

01:03:37.540 that wants to have a traditional kind of lifestyle.

01:03:40.900 Yes.

01:03:41.220 And then everything is this, but then you have a lot of those types of people

01:03:45.600 who are far left who end up being 40-year-old women who are lonely,

01:03:49.080 who have no fucking children, and who are trying to, like, you know,

01:03:52.600 fly down to Barbados to jumpstart their wombs somehow on some fabled machine or something, you know,

01:03:59.720 or wandering around their house and dyeing their hair fucking 75 colors

01:04:03.300 and fucking sawing their tits off for magic or whatever.

01:04:06.480 Like, it just gets – so then you have a lot of people who are just unspoken for

01:04:13.500 and who feel unspoken for, even just to ask questions.

01:04:17.340 That's right.

01:04:17.500 And then that's where it gets really, really spooky.

01:04:19.860 Well, you know, you ever heard the expression weird?

01:04:22.280 So –

01:04:22.960 Because I'm not, like, some right-wing trumper.

01:04:25.160 No.

01:04:25.320 But also I'm a person who believes I should be able to talk about stuff

01:04:28.640 and ask questions and not feel weird if I want to also say stuff and get something wrong.

01:04:34.660 I agree.

01:04:35.080 Like, how else do you even –

01:04:36.600 I agree.

01:04:37.260 Be a comedian.

01:04:38.480 The whole –

01:04:39.260 But it's so scary that you're even having to be careful.

01:04:41.620 Like, we are both very careful right now on a podcast about what we're saying and how we're talking.

01:04:46.780 That never used to be the case.

01:04:47.500 Well, I have to be careful because I don't know what I'm saying a lot of times, too.

01:04:50.180 So my brain is very careful because it doesn't know what I'm talking about a lot of times.

01:04:54.920 But like you said, you're allowed to be – you're allowed to get it wrong.

01:04:57.580 Right, but so now you have a society of people that feel like they're not allowed to get anything at least to trial and error.

01:05:05.440 That's right.

01:05:05.860 You have a ton of people that feel that way.

01:05:08.100 Yeah.

01:05:08.360 How does that feel to some – I mean, it's just – that's debilitating.

01:05:11.980 That's debilitating to people.

01:05:13.780 It is debilitating.

01:05:14.820 It's awful.

01:05:15.580 It's awful.

01:05:15.820 I mean, it's funny because when they did any experiment they ever did, right?

01:05:19.500 So if you think about, like, anything you know –

01:05:21.660 Frankenstein.

01:05:22.540 Well, no, any – that would be one.

01:05:26.320 Frankenstein is a good example.

01:05:27.340 Man tried it on his brother.

01:05:28.500 Look at Louis Van Gogh.

01:05:29.700 Look at –

01:05:31.100 Do you know what Frankenstein symbolized?

01:05:33.480 The idea that machines were taking over.

01:05:36.820 Machines were now taking over humanity.

01:05:38.760 Wow.

01:05:39.040 We're having the same talk 100 years later about how machines are going to take over and make man obsolete.

01:05:46.140 That was something that Mary Shelley, who wrote that book, was – that was the thesis of that book.

01:05:51.440 Like, when man meshes with machine, we'll lose our humanity.

01:05:55.620 It's kind of fucking cyclical.

01:05:58.100 But most of the studies on economics, on social behavior, on social – we all talk about whatever it might be.

01:06:04.160 Like, you know, when you say things like, well, most people, you know, most people tend to be more emotional about this.

01:06:10.220 It was all done on what they call – their acronym is weird.

01:06:15.160 Western, industrialized, educated, rich, developed people from those countries.

01:06:24.640 From westernized, educated, industrialized, rich, developed countries.

01:06:30.240 So most professors were doing their fucking experiments on people who are college educated or at least, you know, had money, were from a developed country, definitely like Europe or America.

01:06:42.920 There was never any of it done on people who came from other parts of the world, who didn't come from industrialized, developed, educated backgrounds.

01:06:50.920 So, so much of what we know has been skewed just by the nature of how experimentation was done and who is available to do the experiments on.

01:07:01.360 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:02.140 Yeah.

01:07:02.520 It's like – so we keep running into these issues.

01:07:04.880 I don't know.

01:07:05.460 We keep running into these issues.

01:07:06.940 Yeah, man.

01:07:07.500 Look, it's spooky time to be – it's like – is it spooky?

01:07:10.620 It's a great time to be alive.

01:07:12.200 It's the only time that we get that we know of right now.

01:07:15.420 I'm scared.

01:07:15.860 It's also – it's a scary time.

01:07:18.400 Um, but there has to be – there's always, like, a way out of things.

01:07:24.900 It's like – I mean, for example, like, you know, you can still – if you shut yourself off to some of the media and you just let it go and do its thing,

01:07:34.800 you can still live a normal, straight life or gay life, whichever you want.

01:07:45.800 You don't have to get into the fights.

01:07:47.620 You don't have to engage in it because some of it is out of my control.

01:07:51.880 Yeah.

01:07:52.100 But then also it's like every voice that was even, like, questioning or anything has been extremely silenced, and that's not good, you know?

01:08:03.040 I don't feel like that that kind of stuff is good.

01:08:05.020 No.

01:08:05.380 That's the problem.

01:08:06.640 The other argument, like Sam Tripoli – and I always have these arguments on –

01:08:09.880 Oh, I've talked to Sam, dude.

01:08:11.680 Oh, it's great.

01:08:12.260 But we have this podcast, Conspiracy Social Club, and I debunk conspiracies, right?

01:08:16.560 He seems to win a lot.

01:08:17.880 But, by the way, if you watch Conspiracy Social Club, I think we may have to move over to Rockfin because they took us off Vimeo.

01:08:26.740 Really?

01:08:27.220 Patreon didn't let us do it.

01:08:28.320 Vimeo took you off?

01:08:29.300 Yeah, because they don't allow any conspiracy talk, even though I debunk it.

01:08:33.180 Vimeo did?

01:08:34.080 Vimeo should be lucky to have anybody on that fucking thing.

01:08:36.700 I know, but they took us down because they have a strict policy against – and I'm like, I'm an anti-conspiracist.

01:08:41.700 I'm trying to debunk it.

01:08:43.320 But, you know, they're like, no.

01:08:44.560 So, I don't know what they're – I don't know what the practices are.

01:08:47.300 Well, it's just become general and blanket, which is crazy because that's the same thing that they – that, like, kind of left-leaning things say that –

01:08:59.280 people are doing about gender and stuff.

01:09:01.700 But you're doing it in the term – the term words that you use to terminate – like, anything that pops up.

01:09:06.820 Yeah, and I'm trying to, in earnest, debunk conspiracies.

01:09:10.240 Oh, that breaks my heart, bro.

01:09:11.300 And, you know, so we have to go over –

01:09:13.240 That's why you got to get a Glock, dude.

01:09:14.920 You got to get your family.

01:09:16.140 Have one.

01:09:16.460 And go be somewhere.

01:09:17.580 I know.

01:09:17.900 You know, and I think that's what a lot of people are – a lot of people are saying, this rat race doesn't even accept me anymore.

01:09:25.740 They – not only that, but they mistreat me on social platforms where I'm even just trying to be a regular person who errs and who is human.

01:09:36.300 It's trying to be funny, man.

01:09:37.100 And trying to be funny or just trying to be human.

01:09:39.320 Like – and it's just – a lot of it is people who never wanted to take any risks just sitting somewhere flowing into this –

01:09:50.400 You know, but they're going to always exist, though.

01:09:51.780 The problem is corporations.

01:09:53.260 The money listens.

01:09:55.400 Right.

01:09:55.820 The money – you know, until consumers –

01:09:58.940 That's why you need to get an app that sends people to different places.

01:10:02.620 They can support companies that also mimic some of their beliefs or at least are open to it.

01:10:10.600 Yeah.

01:10:10.740 Because then once it starts to affect the pocketbooks of companies, they'll quit the bullshit.

01:10:15.700 How about due process?

01:10:16.880 How about just that?

01:10:18.180 How about – so, you know, if Disney is going to completely cancel Gina Carano for writing Bebop Boop and just –

01:10:25.140 And having a clumsy comparison to the Holocaust, which wasn't even that clumsy compared to a lot of people who are on the left who didn't get canceled.

01:10:31.320 Yeah.

01:10:31.700 You know, if you're going to do that, then until consumers say, I'm not upping my subscription to Disney.

01:10:38.200 I'm not watching Lucasfilms anymore.

01:10:40.220 Right.

01:10:40.540 Until they do that and until Disney sees that when they cancel someone like Gina Carano or they cancel anybody due to due process, they get – it actually hurts their dollar.

01:10:51.800 It actually hurts their sales.

01:10:53.120 Because right now, they just don't want to deal with any kind of Twitter thing.

01:10:58.160 But it's so crazy.

01:10:59.120 Who gives a fuck about – it's just like –

01:11:01.860 They do.

01:11:02.500 Because they don't want to deal with the backlash because those voices are so loud and organized.

01:11:05.760 But they'll go away in a week.

01:11:07.780 Yeah.

01:11:08.180 Not when – but it's just – it creates too much bad press.

01:11:13.560 Because what does the press do?

01:11:15.100 The press needs clicks.

01:11:16.780 The press – everybody in the press talking to Alistair Boswick again about this.

01:11:20.400 He's like, when you're a fucking journalist, you want clicks.

01:11:25.900 You want to create sensation.

01:11:27.840 You're right.

01:11:28.200 You want to –

01:11:28.580 Right, right, right.

01:11:29.200 It's – yeah, right.

01:11:29.920 You can't do – if you're going to do a documentary on Mia Farrow and Woody Allen, you can't take a balanced approach.

01:11:35.160 Nobody wants to see it.

01:11:35.980 You want a hit piece the way the Michael Jackson thing was.

01:11:38.740 You got to come up – you got to come hard from one angle.

01:11:41.260 Right.

01:11:41.780 Because then we're like, yeah, we got a bad guy and a good guy.

01:11:44.280 Right.

01:11:44.540 So this is – and then this is – Dustin Poirier taught me this, man.

01:11:47.440 He said – this is when that Mike Perry thing came up.

01:11:50.880 Mike Perry had done some things.

01:11:52.220 He was kind of losing it.

01:11:53.820 He was going through a tough moment like about eight months ago or a year ago.

01:11:57.880 And I was talking to Dustin one time.

01:11:59.740 He goes, you know, man, I don't click on that kind of stuff.

01:12:01.580 When people send me that kind of stuff, I don't click on it because I don't want that in my world.

01:12:05.000 He said, I don't want that in my world.

01:12:07.200 I don't want to look at people that I care about or other humans in ways where people are just trying to pinpoint them into one little space or one little moment.

01:12:18.760 Good for him.

01:12:19.160 He just said it's not fair.

01:12:20.320 And so since then, man, I've tried to stay off of – like when people send that kind of shit, don't send me that.

01:12:26.620 It's like this porn.

01:12:28.320 We use it as porn.

01:12:29.720 Yes.

01:12:30.000 So as long as we keep doing that, that kind of stuff is going to keep happening.

01:12:35.000 And as long as you keep rewarding cancel culture.

01:12:38.080 And you do it by clicks.

01:12:39.000 We do that by clicks.

01:12:40.100 When you click on it, then you're fucking saying, I support this, even if you don't.

01:12:45.700 That's right.

01:12:46.120 That's what's crazy.

01:12:47.020 So that's where the weird addiction comes in.

01:12:49.140 It's like we're just –

01:12:51.020 But also like the fact that Disney makes amazing products.

01:12:54.000 My kids love their movies.

01:12:55.460 They're good shit, bro.

01:12:56.360 When a massive company like that, you know, cancel someone like Gina Carano and we're still patrons of that company,

01:13:05.000 in a way, we're all complicit.

01:13:07.120 Right.

01:13:07.280 And that's – it's so hard to fight, man.

01:13:09.240 It's hard to fight because there's such – tech is the new fossil fuel, man.

01:13:12.800 Yeah.

01:13:13.140 That's the oil.

01:13:14.000 What happened with this country singer who used the N-word?

01:13:16.820 He didn't really – I think people kind of galvanized.

01:13:19.460 Did people kind of go, this is too much or what happened?

01:13:22.320 He's a – I mean, Morgan's a friend of mine.

01:13:23.740 He was on a podcast.

01:13:25.300 He was on a couple months ago.

01:13:27.640 He used it.

01:13:28.780 He called his friend the N-word in the street.

01:13:31.980 He came back and apologized.

01:13:33.180 He said, I'm going to try to do better.

01:13:35.960 And, you know, the media did what they did.

01:13:37.560 They ripped him up.

01:13:39.300 What got me about that – I mean, obviously like it's like he called his friend pussy ass N-I-G-G-A, right?

01:13:49.100 To a white dude.

01:13:50.260 And I think a lot of white people should be called the N-word.

01:13:52.900 I got called it a bunch growing up.

01:13:54.460 I still get called it sometimes by this dude that lives in the park.

01:13:57.040 The black guy by me will call me it every now and then.

01:14:00.160 I like it a little.

01:14:01.320 I'll be honest.

01:14:02.520 That's who I am.

01:14:03.260 Makes you feel included or something.

01:14:04.400 Yeah, it does.

01:14:05.100 Something, bro.

01:14:05.740 You know, like sometimes –

01:14:07.160 But you're cool.

01:14:07.560 No joke.

01:14:08.020 I was walking with a girl a couple weeks ago and the guy said it.

01:14:11.080 And I know she didn't hear him.

01:14:12.420 And I fucking said, hey, say it louder, bro.

01:14:14.320 You know?

01:14:14.700 And he did.

01:14:15.680 And he said it louder, bro.

01:14:17.120 He's a black guy.

01:14:17.960 He can say it, right?

01:14:18.920 He can like –

01:14:19.600 In a way, you feel like he trusts you and he knows that you're not a prejudiced white guy.

01:14:23.440 Right.

01:14:23.720 He knows I'm not a spy.

01:14:24.900 In a way, he feels like he's saying something.

01:14:27.220 It's like a term of endearment for you.

01:14:29.680 Yeah.

01:14:30.180 It was like a coat I got to wear for a couple seconds.

01:14:32.660 Gave me a little bit of clout with the dame, you know?

01:14:35.180 Or the man.

01:14:36.000 Whatever she was.

01:14:36.640 I don't know what she's chosen to be.

01:14:38.060 I didn't check down with her.

01:14:39.300 I'm glad you cleared that.

01:14:40.600 But yeah, but what got me was that – and this – and I'm – is that suddenly there

01:14:47.180 were news articles that would never even watch Morgan.

01:14:50.300 That was the guy's name.

01:14:51.540 Yeah.

01:14:52.140 That would never even – and they're using it in their titling, like the N-word, the N-word.

01:14:57.100 So they're basically using the N-word to get you to go –

01:15:00.340 Of course.

01:15:00.680 So who's really using it?

01:15:02.000 That's the algorithm.

01:15:02.140 One guy who uses it on the street calling his white friend the N-word?

01:15:05.420 Or the white press that makes money by getting clicks.

01:15:08.500 That's what burned – and it's like, man, it's like –

01:15:11.660 All of them go, oh, I can get this story.

01:15:13.780 Awesome.

01:15:13.860 Now I can use the N-word.

01:15:14.920 And now I can get – we can get more online subscriptions.

01:15:17.280 There's money in clicks.

01:15:19.080 Yeah.

01:15:19.600 And as long as there's money in clicks and there's money in telling your readers, your echo chamber,

01:15:24.480 exactly what they want to hear and what they believe anyway and already,

01:15:29.880 you will continue to polarize the press.

01:15:33.840 And now you look at anything that comes out of Huffington Post.

01:15:37.080 You're like, I know exactly how they feel, so why am I going to read this?

01:15:39.340 Right.

01:15:39.740 Or Fox.

01:15:40.760 Oh, here we go.

01:15:41.540 But it's like –

01:15:42.820 Here's a question.

01:15:44.440 But what else is I thinking?

01:15:46.220 I have one more thought on this.

01:15:48.000 But it's just when they – I mean, and he came out and said for himself, you know,

01:15:52.720 he said, you know, what he wanted to say on it.

01:15:55.680 So it's like – it's his thing.

01:15:58.960 But some – I don't know.

01:16:01.120 Sometimes you feel like it would be – it's just crazy how you can go and buy the – on

01:16:06.260 certain platforms, you can buy the N-word and listen to it.

01:16:09.120 You know?

01:16:10.240 You can pay $2 for it.

01:16:12.380 $1.99 for a song and go listen.

01:16:14.040 Oh, yeah.

01:16:15.220 You know?

01:16:15.780 It's like maybe don't make it available to white people.

01:16:18.740 Well, I think that this guy somehow got – like he – they tried to cancel him

01:16:23.560 and I think his fans were like, no, we're going to buy all his stuff.

01:16:26.900 Oh, he'll have the biggest tour in the world in a couple years.

01:16:30.040 His music is just great.

01:16:31.380 Yeah.

01:16:31.720 I mean, I think, you know – and he's a great kid.

01:16:34.940 I was at his house a couple nights before the video stuff and there were black guys over

01:16:39.920 there with him.

01:16:40.680 It's not like –

01:16:41.540 I'm sure.

01:16:42.060 I've seen racist people.

01:16:43.800 Yeah.

01:16:44.120 He's not a racist guy.

01:16:45.020 He's not a racist guy.

01:16:46.120 Yeah.

01:16:46.760 So – and that's obvious to most human people with a brain.

01:16:50.020 Yeah.

01:16:50.760 But –

01:16:51.360 Yeah, but intention doesn't matter anymore.

01:16:53.320 It's just consequence.

01:16:54.480 What's this question?

01:16:55.380 I see a guy asking a question.

01:16:56.820 Yeah, let's get out of this.

01:16:57.700 Sorry.

01:16:58.300 And I didn't really want to talk about that but –

01:17:00.640 It's okay.

01:17:01.880 We're covering a lot of bases right now.

01:17:03.480 What's going on, fellas?

01:17:04.020 How you doing?

01:17:04.840 I'm sitting here ripped off my gourd right now off some of those good Oregon Derby shires.

01:17:09.440 Yeah.

01:17:09.640 And I've got a question for you.

01:17:10.840 Yeah.

01:17:10.920 If you had to give each other three compliments that didn't have anything to do with comedy

01:17:16.820 or a mullet, what would they be?

01:17:19.180 It's a hockey haircut first of all.

01:17:21.700 That's good.

01:17:22.520 That's a great question.

01:17:23.880 Three compliments that had nothing to do with comedy or the mullet.

01:17:27.800 I would say this.

01:17:29.420 You want to – who goes first, Nick?

01:17:32.280 Brian.

01:17:33.100 Okay.

01:17:33.460 Go one.

01:17:34.320 Go every other.

01:17:34.960 Fine.

01:17:35.220 I'm your boss, but Brian –

01:17:36.560 I would say that you're –

01:17:42.980 I think you have a very original brain and I love that about you.

01:17:47.780 Okay.

01:17:48.180 And I think –

01:17:49.280 I mean I'm not allowed to talk about comedy but it's very difficult to separate your –

01:17:55.660 see, you have what's called original expression.

01:17:58.520 You're just original.

01:17:59.340 You're an original generally and that's so fucking rare.

01:18:03.340 And then I think you're very loyal.

01:18:08.400 You're a loyal fucking dude.

01:18:10.460 And you also have overcome something I think most people don't even understand.

01:18:18.560 I mean I think what you've overcome over your family, your mother and all that,

01:18:23.660 I don't think anybody realizes how huge that is.

01:18:26.380 I don't.

01:18:27.040 And I think that always is going to be something that you're contending with.

01:18:31.080 But the wrestle –

01:18:33.280 you know, it's that Jacob's Ladder thing when he wrestled the angel.

01:18:35.940 The angel that you wrestle on a day-to-day basis is what makes –

01:18:40.240 and you're winning that.

01:18:41.540 You're winning –

01:18:42.020 whether you know it or not, you win it every day.

01:18:44.520 And it actually makes the world a better place.

01:18:47.840 So your trauma –

01:18:49.260 and I believe it's trauma.

01:18:50.440 I really do.

01:18:51.480 I've watched your old stuff when you were young talking about your life and your childhood.

01:18:55.780 The trauma that you went through has not beaten you.

01:18:58.860 It has made the world a better place.

01:19:01.860 That's why people love you.

01:19:03.160 And I don't think you would be who you are without –

01:19:06.120 the irony is you wouldn't be who you are without that almost impossible thing to deal with,

01:19:12.020 that thing that would break most people, and you never let it.

01:19:16.360 You just turned it into something very special.

01:19:19.480 So that's my compliment.

01:19:20.560 Those are my three compliments for Theo Vaughn.

01:19:22.700 Man.

01:19:23.500 Well, thank you, bro.

01:19:24.280 That's sweet of you to say, man.

01:19:25.500 I don't know if you're going to find three things on me.

01:19:27.060 This is cashmere, though.

01:19:28.040 I don't know if I'm going to –

01:19:29.700 I mean, you're such a good expressionist, man.

01:19:33.100 I would say, for one, I would say your ability to take a moment to give valuable interaction

01:19:46.220 is something that is very rare.

01:19:49.240 I've had a couple moments with you over the years that I can remember.

01:19:53.600 Even one of the first ones going back to at the Bruco when you told me –

01:20:00.540 I was asking you something about comedy, and you had a conversation with me just about learning as much as I could.

01:20:06.100 And just – if you'll learn as much as you can, then you'll have so many tools to be comedic from.

01:20:16.220 Two, even things now from growing up to recommending books, just different things.

01:20:22.440 If I'm going through like, yeah, sharing stuff like different experiences from childhood trauma

01:20:27.680 and wanting to like discuss that and needing some support, you know, you actually like –

01:20:34.140 even if it takes a day or something for you to call back or to get back when you do,

01:20:38.080 you give some time that's real that really feels valuable and important.

01:20:46.340 And so I don't want to say thank you for that, man.

01:20:48.500 It's really sweet of you.

01:20:49.660 Okay.

01:20:50.500 Because when I hear you, I hear somebody that – it's like a voice that –

01:20:55.720 like a male voice that's educated that I never –

01:21:00.080 just – and is like kind of educated but also good at injecting it into the flow of immediate life.

01:21:10.740 And so it's hard to do that.

01:21:12.500 It's such a skill that so few people have.

01:21:16.340 So thank you all.

01:21:17.240 I'm lucky to be privileged to see some of that and to experience it firsthand.

01:21:21.640 Outside of that, I would say probably –

01:21:26.060 Symmetrical.

01:21:27.180 I would say symmetrical probably.

01:21:29.720 I would go with that.

01:21:30.940 And it doesn't have anything to do with hair.

01:21:32.360 I would say symmetrical.

01:21:35.060 I would say –

01:21:38.020 Supple.

01:21:38.920 Your vitality for life.

01:21:41.900 I think you stay – you're like a fucking vein, you know.

01:21:46.760 Is what you are.

01:21:48.080 You're like –

01:21:49.020 Keep moving.

01:21:49.800 Keep moving.

01:21:50.180 Yeah.

01:21:50.480 No matter what happens.

01:21:51.700 Keep growing.

01:21:52.680 Keep moving.

01:21:53.260 Don't stop.

01:21:54.300 You're a femoral.

01:21:54.880 You're a fucking femoral vein, dude.

01:21:57.160 You're rolling through the big bone.

01:21:58.700 You can't stop.

01:21:59.260 You know what I'm saying?

01:21:59.960 You ain't out here in a damn tarpal.

01:22:02.120 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:02.640 Picasso said – I think he called it sweeping the alley.

01:22:05.940 Picasso was like, no matter what, famine, war, all that, keep painting, keep painting, keep painting.

01:22:11.680 That's crazy.

01:22:12.140 So when he was 90 years old, he was painting on the level he was painting at when he was 40 for real.

01:22:15.940 I went to his – I went to a show that he had – it was his work.

01:22:21.120 I think he did it when he was 90.

01:22:22.700 Damn.

01:22:22.900 And I would listen to the art historian explain what he was doing.

01:22:27.940 I was like, this motherfucker is 90.

01:22:31.580 And he was painting on the level that's beyond – like he was still doing it at the highest level.

01:22:38.960 That's crazy.

01:22:39.700 I was like, if that's the case, if that's where the bar is, man, I'm fucked.

01:22:43.140 I can never stop.

01:22:44.360 Yeah.

01:22:45.120 But there – you know, it's hard.

01:22:46.700 I just hope I'm allowed to.

01:22:47.960 You know, you just keep hoping that you, in one way or another, can continue to be expressive and continue to do what you love.

01:22:55.200 Yeah.

01:22:55.780 Like I never – like I mean, I'm, you know, not an idiot, but I'm definitely – I'll be – you know, I will mill around with idiots, bro.

01:23:02.660 And I will definitely read books I've read six or seven times, dude, and not know what happened.

01:23:07.600 That's normal.

01:23:08.880 Okay.

01:23:09.480 Come on, man.

01:23:10.260 But what I'm saying is that – fuck, man, I forgot about it.

01:23:15.600 But it's –

01:23:17.100 You said I was a vein.

01:23:18.220 I was femoral.

01:23:19.120 I was a femoral.

01:23:19.820 Yeah.

01:23:20.040 Okay.

01:23:20.500 Femoral vein.

01:23:21.520 So that's two.

01:23:22.460 I think those are two things.

01:23:23.400 I think a femoral artery and a vein.

01:23:26.360 I think the difference is what?

01:23:27.540 An artery is from the heart.

01:23:28.780 But an artery comes and goes.

01:23:30.460 An artery is – yeah, it's from the heart and it's – yeah, you're not like – that artery is more of like a –

01:23:38.340 it's more of a super highway.

01:23:42.000 Yeah.

01:23:42.400 You're a little bit more of that service road.

01:23:44.480 Am I?

01:23:45.040 Yeah.

01:23:45.300 Kind of like bumpy, a little bumpy.

01:23:46.900 Yeah, there's definitely some fucking –

01:23:48.480 Some potholes.

01:23:49.060 There's some potholes.

01:23:50.340 There's some zoning issues.

01:23:51.580 You can't be a smooth highway and be a comic.

01:23:54.280 No, you can't.

01:23:54.920 You got to have – you got to have all – you got to have some plaque up in that bitch.

01:23:57.340 There's some left turns.

01:23:58.480 There's some fucking dead ends.

01:23:59.960 You got some varicose shit.

01:24:01.080 You got some backed up – some backed up like coagulated blood and shit.

01:24:04.700 There's some plavacid in the fucking –

01:24:06.260 Yeah, I don't even know what plavacid is, but you got to have some shit you can't identify.

01:24:09.640 There's big pharma that's fucking starting to play a role in this.

01:24:12.180 What's with the plavacid in there?

01:24:13.400 Like what the fuck is that?

01:24:14.340 We don't know.

01:24:15.640 We don't know, but put on your mask because we got to get through this shit right now.

01:24:19.340 Your grandparents are dying.

01:24:21.260 Jim Brewer has this great bit now.

01:24:22.880 He's like, grandmother's dying.

01:24:25.340 It's like he's fucking impersonating a Nazi.

01:24:28.120 I love him.

01:24:29.640 I love – yeah.

01:24:30.300 You know, as you get older, I'll tell you this.

01:24:31.660 I'm a lot older than you, and you get less sure of any kind of a truth.

01:24:37.080 Really?

01:24:37.620 In a way.

01:24:38.660 Now, that's another thing I was going to ask you.

01:24:40.280 How does aging happen in your beliefs and in your thoughts?

01:24:45.080 Like what starts to happen?

01:24:46.120 You know, I tend to become more – I tend to become more compassionate for people who have a totally different point of view than I do, right?

01:24:57.480 Wow.

01:24:57.740 So I'm a white, straight male, right?

01:25:00.400 Fine.

01:25:01.040 I'm not saying you have it easy if you're a white, straight male.

01:25:03.160 I'm not saying – but I'm saying that if I was a black woman, if I was a Native American from – or an indigenous person, a First Nation person from Winnipeg, if I was from a small Indian village in the south of India, I would have a very different point of view.

01:25:23.560 That's true.

01:25:24.100 On the world, on what's right, on what's wrong, on what's fair, what's unfair, on what I was afraid of, what I wasn't afraid of.

01:25:33.380 If I was a black man, for the most part, even if I had money, even if I was privileged with an education, if I drove by – I know this – if I was driving by two white cops, okay?

01:25:45.900 Maybe not now, but certainly nine months ago.

01:25:50.780 I would have turned my music down.

01:25:52.860 I would have put my glasses on.

01:25:54.600 I might have rolled my window down.

01:25:56.360 Set my wallet on the dashboard.

01:25:57.880 Whatever it is.

01:25:58.740 Right.

01:25:59.540 Right?

01:25:59.880 Whatever it is.

01:26:00.820 A little bit like the way we talk now about anything that's considered politically incorrect.

01:26:06.040 We're now aware that big tech might shut us off.

01:26:08.480 Right.

01:26:08.720 That was what it's like – that's what it was like always.

01:26:11.680 So as I get older and I read more and I try to take that perspective of I don't know, it tends to make me a little bit more compassionate and a little less attached to my cognitive beliefs.

01:26:24.980 Because I know how my brain works.

01:26:26.540 Right.

01:26:26.700 It's from reading.

01:26:27.640 My brain works like this.

01:26:29.120 I'm an emotional creature.

01:26:30.040 So I have a set of beliefs that were given to me by people I love, like my mother and my father, like the culture I come from.

01:26:38.760 And media.

01:26:39.400 Like what worked for me and media.

01:26:41.320 Right?

01:26:41.820 So I have a set of beliefs like this.

01:26:44.000 And so what happens is when you have that set of beliefs, you're going to try to find evidence to support your beliefs.

01:26:51.000 So if you start talking about socialism, I'm automatically going to have an argument.

01:26:55.760 Right.

01:26:55.940 Because I'm a capitalist, quote unquote, or I'm a free market guy.

01:26:59.480 Right?

01:27:00.040 I'm a libertarian.

01:27:01.800 But then I then I'll read a book and I realize that a lot of the basis of what I'm making all my philosophy on is not necessarily grounded in evidence.

01:27:10.880 And that somebody over there who has a different point of view has something to offer me, has something to enlighten me on.

01:27:18.560 So this is a process.

01:27:20.480 So I guess what I'm saying is that as I get older, I realize I'm a work in progress.

01:27:24.160 Don't be too attached to everything you believe.

01:27:29.360 I love that.

01:27:29.920 Don't don't be so sure that everything, you know, and believe is true.

01:27:34.200 Okay.

01:27:34.680 That's really important.

01:27:36.060 And be willing to change your mind based on evidence and be able to see the evidence when it's in front of you.

01:27:43.180 Well, right.

01:27:43.720 I agree with you, man.

01:27:44.620 And I think a lot of, and I've even noticed in my own life over the past nine months, over the past year, I've gotten very, a lot of people are very stuck to their, what their, their beliefs, because it's some of it's a safety mechanism.

01:27:56.020 Yeah.

01:27:56.420 They feel attacked.

01:27:57.440 They feel like they don't know.

01:27:58.380 Because the other side is building weaponry over there.

01:28:00.220 Right.

01:28:00.580 Yeah.

01:28:00.940 Right.

01:28:01.380 So yeah, it's like you start to feel, um, and you feel like they're not doing that.

01:28:06.760 So why do I have to, you know, it's like, uh, it's interesting how like a lot of that has flared up over the past year.

01:28:14.560 Well, there's a documentary on Netflix called crack and remember crack babies.

01:28:20.000 The idea of a crack baby.

01:28:21.340 Okay.

01:28:21.660 I know a guy.

01:28:22.720 That was all bullshit.

01:28:24.060 That was all bullshit.

01:28:24.800 There were no crack babies.

01:28:26.360 Crack, crack babies weren't born that way.

01:28:28.340 Most of the time it was a woman, a woman who was doing, drinking marijuana, but it wasn't that crack itself was creating a whole generation of kids who are addicted to cocaine.

01:28:39.640 That's not.

01:28:40.220 Oh yeah.

01:28:40.560 I never heard that.

01:28:41.200 I just heard like if they had a real skinny baby and he had jewelry on.

01:28:45.320 But yeah, but again, that's what I always heard.

01:28:48.860 Again, you can, you can also add to that black baby.

01:28:51.540 You can also add that black woman giving birth to black baby.

01:28:55.180 Right.

01:28:55.520 So what happened with the crack epidemic is I said, your crack baby's born to a mother who's addicted to crack.

01:29:02.340 Now I promise you in every Americans, every white Americans at the media and even movies like, like boys in the hood, the woman was holding a baby and saying something like, I'll do whatever it takes to get my crack.

01:29:20.740 Right.

01:29:21.480 It was a black woman.

01:29:22.620 It was always demonizing a black woman.

01:29:25.080 This is true.

01:29:25.960 So if you're a black woman in the hood, try to make ends meet, you can't afford to leave a battle zone and you're trying to raise your kids.

01:29:32.780 And there's a thousand other things you're dealing with.

01:29:34.780 And now that's going on in the media.

01:29:37.980 You're being demonized.

01:29:39.260 Right.

01:29:39.780 You know, so, so, so, because that was the narrative.

01:29:42.520 Right.

01:29:43.140 And so you'd have a very different perspective on America.

01:29:46.020 Oh, I would have a total.

01:29:46.840 And who you were if you were a black woman, especially living in the 80s.

01:29:49.800 My generation, my generation, how the fuck wouldn't you have a chip on your shoulder?

01:29:53.900 Oh, dude.

01:29:54.500 Yeah.

01:29:54.800 Look, I think about that a lot of times.

01:29:56.020 I think sometimes there's a, people don't realize, like I've talked to before about like Disney World, like you'd see the, the advertising for Disney World.

01:30:04.380 And there was always white kids at Disney World.

01:30:06.140 Yeah.

01:30:06.480 So if you're a black kid and you're watching that, how would you not feel like, oh, this isn't even for me?

01:30:10.840 You weren't represented in, in cartoons, anything.

01:30:13.800 Well, but there's some stuff is that's, that's not entirely true.

01:30:16.480 Like some of my favorite shows were black acted shows.

01:30:20.700 So like, you know, you had Sanford and son, you had in the heat of the night, which had a black characters in it.

01:30:25.820 Some of my favorite, um, Althea Tibbs is one of my favorite characters ever from a, from a drama.

01:30:31.900 You know, they had a lot of, uh, and what was the one?

01:30:35.860 Um, and I know I'm just saying the one, but there was a lot.

01:30:38.280 There was the one with the cops.

01:30:39.500 There was Cosby, which was huge.

01:30:42.460 That did a lot.

01:30:43.580 That was like, oh, look, there's a black family, just like a white family.

01:30:46.820 There's a black doctor.

01:30:48.860 He's in my living room every day.

01:30:50.360 You know, that was that whole, that was that, that was an important show in that sense.

01:30:53.460 But I could imagine.

01:30:54.540 Yeah.

01:30:54.660 But when I was growing up, there wasn't any black doctors in our town.

01:30:57.300 No.

01:30:57.420 What I, so this is where I get, I get the, I get where black activists, where white, you

01:31:04.960 know, activists, where woke people are coming from.

01:31:07.720 If you actually look at the history of this country, just go back 20 years, 15 years.

01:31:14.040 See, I don't, I'm not liberal this way.

01:31:15.900 I'm not like a woke person.

01:31:17.640 I do like fair play though.

01:31:19.700 Oh, a hundred percent.

01:31:20.540 If you show me where something's not fair, if you show me where something's not fair,

01:31:23.660 I'll be furious.

01:31:24.720 I'm right there.

01:31:25.220 I'm like, I got it.

01:31:26.160 I get it.

01:31:27.520 I get it.

01:31:28.480 Oh man.

01:31:28.980 I remember putting a Jesse Jackson sign out in front of our apartment growing up.

01:31:33.000 Like I remember, um, I was a David Dukakis fan.

01:31:37.540 Like I really resonated with a lot of like, David Duke.

01:31:41.980 Oh, I used to lift weights at David Duke.

01:31:43.780 Everybody knows that though.

01:31:44.700 Did you?

01:31:45.040 Yeah.

01:31:45.740 You worked out with David Duke?

01:31:47.140 Yeah.

01:31:47.340 He shared a fence.

01:31:48.160 Dude.

01:31:48.280 He used to date the hottest chick at the seafood restaurant I worked at.

01:31:51.040 Is that right?

01:31:51.840 God.

01:31:52.900 You, you live near David Duke?

01:31:54.560 She was hot.

01:31:55.240 Yeah.

01:31:55.720 Still, my folks still share a back fence.

01:31:57.480 Not far from them.

01:31:58.220 That's hilarious.

01:31:59.820 David Duke.

01:32:00.380 They call him D Duke around the neighborhood.

01:32:02.240 D Duke.

01:32:03.640 He's a beautiful little, uh, Pomeranian white.

01:32:08.160 I won't say that, but.

01:32:09.140 Yeah.

01:32:09.580 That would make sense.

01:32:10.780 Um.

01:32:11.000 Here we go.

01:32:11.340 But yeah, there's just a lot to it, man.

01:32:12.760 There's a lot to it.

01:32:13.520 But yeah, to think that, I think the part that gets me a lot of times, it's people,

01:32:18.500 it's, it's people have now become like, it's like people use the woke stuff for clout

01:32:23.740 and it's not even about the argument anymore.

01:32:25.860 And then I also start to see, I've always thought about like equality, fairness.

01:32:29.860 I see a lot of like black supremacy, Jewish supremacy.

01:32:33.880 I see some people, uh, you know, um, Indian supremacy.

01:32:39.060 I see a lot.

01:32:40.160 I don't like privilege.

01:32:41.260 I don't like supremacy.

01:32:42.640 Yeah.

01:32:43.040 I don't like it.

01:32:43.900 Anytime when people start to get stuff into supremacy, Marcellus Wiley, was that that

01:32:48.440 guy's name?

01:32:48.840 He had a great quote about it a while back.

01:32:50.860 Um, that's the part where it starts to make me feel angry, bro.

01:32:54.900 I don't like any type of supremacy, bro.

01:32:57.820 Like, um, it just, because then it's not about everybody anymore.

01:33:02.460 Well, you're assigning something called group guilt.

01:33:04.980 What you're doing is you're saying that entire group is guilty.

01:33:08.440 And if you do that, we know how that works out in history too.

01:33:11.400 Right.

01:33:11.780 Because when you, when you assign guilt to an entire group just for their color, just

01:33:18.120 for their gender, just for their, uh, so it's your economic background.

01:33:22.500 Now, if you do that, just remember that you can, that's a double edged sword.

01:33:27.440 You can turn that sword on the other group just as quickly.

01:33:30.120 If you do that to that group, when you're done with that group, you're next, you know?

01:33:34.860 And, and so, and, and what happens is if you have group guilt, then you usually have to

01:33:40.460 have a group that rectifies that guilt and one need only look at the world today, forget

01:33:48.260 history and see how that works out for people who are assigned group guilt.

01:33:53.200 They're killed.

01:33:54.080 They're jailed.

01:33:55.000 They're put in concentration camps.

01:33:57.000 Wow.

01:33:57.200 They're, they're quote unquote marginalized in the worst way possible.

01:34:00.480 So let's all be careful about that shit.

01:34:03.120 Yeah.

01:34:03.340 That's why that's the problem with identity politics.

01:34:05.760 That's why I'm very, now one thing I'm not on the fence on is I am very against identity

01:34:10.580 politics.

01:34:11.520 I think it's fucking the worst.

01:34:13.720 I don't even know what it is.

01:34:14.700 It's, it's the idea that you are, you are, you are essentially breaking people up into

01:34:19.260 their groups and you are assigning guilt or you are assigning victimhood to varying degrees

01:34:25.700 to different groups.

01:34:26.700 I mean, that's, that's what you do.

01:34:28.540 And those groups that have traditionally been in a position of quote unquote supremacy or

01:34:34.000 in a position of privilege have to take now a backseat or whatever, or are like, give

01:34:39.040 me an example.

01:34:39.720 So I know what I'm, well, well, the idea behind, um, identity politics would be,

01:34:44.700 be, you know, we have, even when you start talking about the black vote versus the Asian

01:34:50.220 vote versus the white vote, you're already creating groups.

01:34:53.760 You're already saying that you're already creating a monolith.

01:34:56.700 You're suggesting that black people think the same.

01:34:59.640 Oh, that's what you're saying.

01:35:00.560 Like there are, that there are, it's hard not to do that versus it gets.

01:35:03.400 Right.

01:35:03.540 But also when you start doing that, when you start, when you start saying we need a quota,

01:35:09.200 we need representation from this group because this group has been left out, you're playing

01:35:15.660 a form of identity politics because when you do that, when you, when you privilege one group

01:35:21.660 over the other, or you start detracting just based on group, not based on skill, based on

01:35:30.220 biological attributes, you have to have an enforcing mechanism.

01:35:36.060 You have to have someone at the top who has the power to make those decisions, to enforce

01:35:42.680 those decisions.

01:35:44.100 That is a, that is a, that is something you must do through force.

01:35:48.040 You must do at the end of the day at the barrel of a gun because that's what the state does.

01:35:54.100 If I say no, they say yes.

01:35:57.020 If I really refuse to move, you get dragged out by officers of the law.

01:36:03.360 They happen to have guns.

01:36:04.680 At the end of the day, there's no way to do that without some form of coercion, some form

01:36:09.700 of force.

01:36:10.400 When you do that and you, and you, and you demonize one group or you start to say this

01:36:17.060 group is a victim and this group has to pay for that.

01:36:20.420 What happens is you're going to push people.

01:36:22.600 You're going to really push people into groups.

01:36:25.000 What you're going to do is you're going to create the, the, you're going to, America

01:36:28.060 will become what a prison yard is, what, what, what, what a state penitentiary becomes where

01:36:33.580 you got the Aryan brotherhood over here.

01:36:35.120 You got the Southern Mexicans, you got the Northern Mexicans, you got the black, you got

01:36:38.820 this whole thing over here.

01:36:40.460 And all of a sudden you create, and now you're now, now the only consideration is color.

01:36:45.460 And you have people that are so obsessed with color.

01:36:48.620 It's like, they should be an art school.

01:36:50.220 They should be an art school making, studying oil painting.

01:36:54.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.400 Oil.

01:36:54.580 Because that's the only criteria.

01:36:56.760 And so it's a very, again, it's a very rudimentary, very dangerous game to play.

01:37:01.520 And I, I don't, I'm not nearly as articulate about this.

01:37:03.940 No, it's helpful.

01:37:05.040 For me, it's great though, because it's good because it's like, yeah, this is good practice

01:37:09.140 because Jordan Peterson, it's like, damn, it's like somebody just beach in the face with

01:37:12.740 a fucking library.

01:37:13.840 He's been talking about this.

01:37:14.780 You know, I did, I did the first podcast with him.

01:37:17.140 Really?

01:37:17.580 Yeah.

01:37:17.920 That's when Rogan called, texted me and said, um, your podcast with Jordan Peterson was

01:37:22.320 great.

01:37:22.700 He had, he had just heard about him and I did this podcast.

01:37:24.360 You and Jordan Peterson were on Rogan together?

01:37:25.960 No, I did the first podcast with him in our group.

01:37:28.160 No way.

01:37:28.560 And Rogan, Rogan then put him on.

01:37:30.240 Dang, that's crazy.

01:37:31.540 Yeah.

01:37:31.720 How about that?

01:37:34.060 Wow.

01:37:35.220 Yeah, man.

01:37:36.940 And it was so great.

01:37:38.860 I love, I've done three podcasts with him, I think.

01:37:41.160 So it's such an honor.

01:37:42.580 I love that guy.

01:37:43.480 Yeah.

01:37:43.740 I feel pretty excited.

01:37:44.620 I'm trying to think of good questions, like just to ask and just things that I'm like thinking

01:37:48.140 about and also things that I'm scared about.

01:37:50.120 Yeah.

01:37:50.180 I'm going to read the book, but also just things that like, I'm just worried about and, or just

01:37:54.900 like, just looking for sometimes guidance, you know?

01:37:58.000 So sometimes when you get someone that has more experience, what I like to try to do

01:38:01.300 sometimes is to get some guidance.

01:38:02.620 So how do we, how do we stay away from identity politics and stuff like that?

01:38:05.760 What can we do and how do we stay funny?

01:38:07.900 What can we do to stay funny in a time like this?

01:38:10.480 You have to fight back.

01:38:11.940 You have to, um, you have to recognize, first of all, where identity politics came from.

01:38:17.360 You have to recognize, you have to recognize what the other side that pushes that stuff

01:38:23.100 is trying to do.

01:38:24.760 You have to have, you have to have better ideas.

01:38:27.620 You have to remember that what has worked for the most part with the West and what other

01:38:35.420 countries have not done is that they treat people as individuals.

01:38:38.900 Okay.

01:38:39.260 You treat everyone as an individual.

01:38:41.620 You treat when someone comes in for a job, whether they are trans, whether they are black,

01:38:46.020 whether they are a native American, whether they are straight white guy, India, I want

01:38:50.880 to see what you can do.

01:38:52.140 Let me, let me try.

01:38:53.240 And it's very, and what they'll tell you is there's unconscious bias.

01:38:55.900 Okay.

01:38:56.640 So they say, if you're white, you're unconsciously going to be biased towards someone who's white.

01:39:00.340 Okay, fine.

01:39:01.460 That's true.

01:39:01.860 I don't either, but, but, but this is the new thing.

01:39:04.600 So you have anti-bias training.

01:39:06.120 Here's the problem with anti-bias training.

01:39:07.700 Here's the biggest problem.

01:39:08.660 So the idea is you have some expert who's taking some classes in the humanities and, and,

01:39:13.880 you know, and they come in and they apparently are the experts on how to teach you about your

01:39:17.860 unconscious bias.

01:39:18.760 Okay.

01:39:19.300 The idea then would be you take a class and now you don't have, either you don't have

01:39:23.860 unconscious bias or you're aware that you have unconscious bias.

01:39:26.340 Okay.

01:39:26.580 Okay.

01:39:26.840 All good.

01:39:28.020 The problem is you'll never take unconscious bias out of a human being.

01:39:31.060 And by the way, unconscious bias is very important and a very good thing.

01:39:35.200 Most of the time or some of the time.

01:39:37.040 Yeah.

01:39:37.200 Why?

01:39:37.500 If somebody has shifty eyes and clammy hands, I'm not fucking loaning you money or I'm not

01:39:43.720 going to hire you for the job because you're sketchy.

01:39:46.220 I can't explain why, but you give my gut, you give my gut, my intuition, uh, the notion

01:39:52.960 that you ain't no good.

01:39:54.340 Yeah.

01:39:54.780 And I need that because that's how I keep my money.

01:39:57.360 That's how I keep safe.

01:39:58.840 That's how I keep my family safe.

01:40:00.300 Yeah.

01:40:00.540 Well, that's how women keep from fucking keep state, stay safe.

01:40:03.740 When they see a guy who's something, something's over there.

01:40:06.660 So my mother told me that one time, she goes, I, there was a guy and the way he was standing,

01:40:10.500 I knew he was, he was looking to get jumpy.

01:40:12.760 I knew he was looking to rape me.

01:40:13.960 Oh yeah.

01:40:14.560 And so my mother was like, she just, she got a bad feeling and turned and walked the other

01:40:18.380 way and blah, blah, blah.

01:40:20.000 So, so we need our unconscious bias.

01:40:22.900 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 You can't walk into a dark alley filled with people like bad wolves and just be like, maybe

01:40:28.640 they're good wolves.

01:40:29.720 You know, the guy at the, at the, at the meeting said, maybe they're good wolves.

01:40:33.660 Give them a chance.

01:40:34.360 One of them is loading a gun and chiseling your name into the side of it.

01:40:38.220 This is where critical race theory comes in.

01:40:40.140 This is the, this is all comes out of the same idea.

01:40:43.100 That's not enough to be not racist.

01:40:44.500 You have to be actually actively tearing down the institutions that have given us the longest

01:40:51.320 standing democracy in the history of the world.

01:40:53.140 You got to start tearing down institutions.

01:40:55.580 Dude, I grew up around.

01:40:56.220 Like the nuclear family apparently is bad now.

01:40:58.300 Yeah.

01:40:58.500 That's insane.

01:40:59.420 And that's, what's causing a lot.

01:41:00.700 I mean, a lot of it is people don't have any faith anymore.

01:41:02.800 There's nothing, there's nowhere to turn.

01:41:04.660 We could go into all of it.

01:41:06.460 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 It's, it's being talked about at least.

01:41:08.640 And even, even a couple of knuckleheads like us are actually talking about it.

01:41:11.560 Fuck this.

01:41:12.160 Let's get back to common.

01:41:12.660 I didn't, I wanted to get into something funny.

01:41:14.060 I fucked up.

01:41:14.940 No, no.

01:41:15.340 It's all good.

01:41:16.240 This could be funny.

01:41:17.640 I don't know.

01:41:18.200 Okay.

01:41:18.440 Here's a guy right here.

01:41:19.300 And this guy might be black, might be white.

01:41:21.300 This dude might be Jehovah's Witnesses.

01:41:22.840 He's a composite man.

01:41:23.800 What up Theo, Brian, Bri guy, the original kid, Callen.

01:41:31.280 Yeah.

01:41:31.720 Yeah, Bri.

01:41:33.220 We just all want to know probably.

01:41:35.500 You spent a lot of time away.

01:41:38.000 We all, we personally missed you.

01:41:40.720 I'm sure a lot of other people did too.

01:41:42.700 And I think we're just all really curious.

01:41:44.760 Like what did you do during that time?

01:41:47.260 Like.

01:41:48.120 I.

01:41:48.460 Like, give us an update.

01:41:50.800 I think we're all really wanting to know how you spent that time.

01:41:54.780 Yeah.

01:41:55.320 What have you been doing, Brian?

01:41:56.760 Great question.

01:41:58.280 Starting a podcast with Steve Byrne.

01:42:00.020 Big and Hungry podcast.

01:42:00.640 Big and Hungry.

01:42:01.220 Yeah.

01:42:01.500 Which I was on.

01:42:02.480 Yes, you were.

01:42:03.340 Which is awesome.

01:42:04.320 Drops every Monday.

01:42:05.640 When's our episode coming out?

01:42:07.220 I think, I think this Monday.

01:42:09.300 Okay.

01:42:09.580 And it's fucking hilarious.

01:42:10.800 Okay.

01:42:11.120 Killed it.

01:42:11.600 Cool.

01:42:11.880 Cool.

01:42:12.080 Cool.

01:42:12.260 And then we got.

01:42:13.020 Thank you guys for having me on.

01:42:13.680 Yep.

01:42:13.940 That's Big and Hungry.

01:42:14.840 Anywhere you find podcasts.

01:42:16.560 I've been doing the Conspiracy Social Club with Sam.

01:42:18.460 Sam Tripoli twice a week.

01:42:20.620 And that's been interesting because now we might have to move over to another platform.

01:42:25.060 Rockfin.

01:42:25.520 Because we too hot.

01:42:26.420 We too hot.

01:42:27.220 We too hot for Vimeo.

01:42:29.040 But that's good.

01:42:29.760 Maybe something like Rockfin starts up.

01:42:31.620 Yeah.

01:42:31.720 I wish we would all start our own platform.

01:42:33.880 But.

01:42:34.200 Yeah.

01:42:35.100 You know.

01:42:35.600 And I just kept, you know, I was dealing with a lot of shit.

01:42:37.680 So I just kept, I worked out every day.

01:42:39.220 And I just.

01:42:39.580 Did you?

01:42:40.040 Yeah.

01:42:40.260 And I just tried to become a better father.

01:42:42.880 And, you know, I was, I was going through a divorce, but that, that ended very amicably

01:42:47.400 because me and my ex get along really well.

01:42:49.780 And we, we, uh, we raised the kids together and, and we didn't need like a, we didn't

01:42:54.220 need courts.

01:42:54.920 And, you know, we needed, we needed, we did some lawyer stuff just to, cause it's detailed.

01:42:59.380 But other than that, we were, we, we, we did it great.

01:43:01.960 And I'm proud of that.

01:43:03.300 And I'm proud of her for that.

01:43:04.300 We, we, we ended it really, really well.

01:43:06.500 And cause the kids are our priority.

01:43:08.740 And then, uh, and then I don't know, man, I just fucking, I brushed up on my Kung Fu.

01:43:13.660 Did you?

01:43:14.200 Yeah, dude.

01:43:15.000 There's something about that staying physically active.

01:43:17.060 How important, uh, was that, man?

01:43:20.100 It's called communicating with your body.

01:43:22.140 That's what you do.

01:43:23.040 So when you do a sport or you do anything, you're communicating with your body.

01:43:26.800 You, you, you know, it only gets harder as you get older.

01:43:29.440 Oh yeah.

01:43:29.940 Yeah.

01:43:30.240 But that's almost the point.

01:43:31.340 Like embracing the suck.

01:43:33.440 You don't have to work out an hour, dude.

01:43:34.680 You can fucking live for 20 minutes and kill you.

01:43:36.440 So I worked out for 15 minutes yesterday.

01:43:37.880 I'm sore as fuck.

01:43:38.940 But, but the way you do it is, is what matters.

01:43:41.200 But then you do a sport, get good at something, man.

01:43:43.980 I always say this to people.

01:43:44.900 If you're young, get good.

01:43:47.020 I don't give a fuck if it's salsa dancing.

01:43:49.300 If you get really good at salsa dancing, it will open up a whole world for you.

01:43:54.660 If you get really good at jujitsu, if you get really good at the flute, I don't give

01:43:58.080 a fuck what it is.

01:43:58.860 If you get really good at anything that, that requires like practice on a daily basis,

01:44:05.360 the answers lie there.

01:44:07.400 Yeah.

01:44:07.540 And then you're going to come in contact with other people who have gotten really good

01:44:10.900 at things.

01:44:11.660 And you're going to be introduced to so many more things then.

01:44:16.300 And some, and you're going to learn from the best.

01:44:18.480 It's just, there is something that's so valuable about just having spent some time doing things,

01:44:22.760 man.

01:44:23.260 I've been trying to get into jujitsu more, you know, um, and I'm really enjoying it.

01:44:26.980 I'm a white belt currently white belt, white belt nation, white belt nation, dude.

01:44:31.020 I did also hard scarf club.

01:44:33.040 And, um, I, uh, I'm looking to compete maybe at some point.

01:44:37.480 That's great.

01:44:38.060 I don't know if I'll compete this year, but the hardest part people don't realize at my

01:44:42.980 age, I have to do yoga probably four times a week to stay in enough of a comfortable

01:44:48.960 physical space to then be able to go even to the jujitsu class.

01:44:53.380 So it's like, there's so much that has to happen outside of the place.

01:44:57.480 Yeah.

01:44:58.020 Yeah.

01:44:58.420 Um, but I started eating liver, uh, liver crisps, like liver jerky.

01:45:03.700 Yeah.

01:45:03.980 To get my, I mean, I'll fuck, dude, I got a damn menstrual cycle in the back of my throat

01:45:09.240 half the week, dog.

01:45:10.020 I'm fucking ready to go, son.

01:45:12.220 Let's fucking go.

01:45:13.900 You just eat straight up carnivore.

01:45:14.360 Oh, I could spit in the air and a fucking wolf will show up and catch it.

01:45:17.240 I'm ready to go.

01:45:19.040 Yeah.

01:45:19.280 So I've been trying to challenge myself a little bit more in that space.

01:45:23.360 And then, yeah, some of that learning in jujitsu, it takes like the anger that's inside of me.

01:45:27.600 It takes it out of my body to be trapped by another man or young woman and not have any

01:45:33.840 fucking recourse except to scream into the fucking abyss.

01:45:36.940 As they're, as they're imposing their will on you.

01:45:39.100 Of a fucking gym where people are laughing at me.

01:45:41.460 You can't breathe.

01:45:42.220 That's amazing.

01:45:43.240 Oh, look at Theo Vaughn getting tapped.

01:45:45.000 Yeah.

01:45:45.240 It's so good for you.

01:45:46.060 Look at him getting tapped by this bus girl from Olive Garden.

01:45:48.680 Yeah, man.

01:45:49.460 It's so good for you, though.

01:45:51.140 Shit like that where you're not.

01:45:52.360 I think that's the best thing you do for your comedy.

01:45:54.280 Oh, it's great.

01:45:54.860 You practice shit that you're not good at and you're having to like readjust your neural

01:45:58.340 pathways and stuff.

01:45:59.640 It's like doing LSD, man.

01:46:01.320 All of a sudden, you're going to be thinking about shit differently.

01:46:03.320 Yeah.

01:46:03.500 Like you're just not comfortable.

01:46:04.800 Yeah.

01:46:05.160 Being comfortable.

01:46:06.060 Comfort might be the wolf at the door.

01:46:08.220 Comfort.

01:46:08.500 Look, we've said it on this podcast before.

01:46:11.600 Comfort will be your coffin, man.

01:46:12.980 It really will.

01:46:13.700 And it's crazy to think that.

01:46:15.100 Yeah, it is.

01:46:16.300 It really is.

01:46:17.020 And before we go, yeah, I was a little bit nervous about having you on just because I

01:46:20.500 know you've kind of been through a lot over the past year.

01:46:22.840 Has it been tough to like, has it been, what's it been like for you, man?

01:46:29.600 Terrible.

01:46:30.160 Has it been?

01:46:30.740 Yeah, the worst.

01:46:31.860 Yeah.

01:46:32.320 Because you can't fight back.

01:46:34.100 There's nothing you can do.

01:46:35.820 Just the way it is.

01:46:36.840 And like, you know, it's very interesting because you get ready for whatever come what

01:46:41.320 may in life, right?

01:46:42.400 And then something comes along that you don't even know how to fight against.

01:46:45.200 How the fuck do you fight something like that?

01:46:47.040 How do you do?

01:46:47.760 How do you, how in the world do you, when you never in a million years thought something

01:46:51.780 like that would happen in a million years, because you've tried to live your life the

01:46:55.560 best, you know, helping everybody.

01:46:57.780 And I don't know.

01:46:58.860 I can just only, I'm not, I'm not spiritual enough, but you got to just kind of figure

01:47:03.860 out how to pivot.

01:47:04.620 But it's real and it's got lasting consequences and it's, it's true destruction.

01:47:10.360 But the question is, who are you in destruction?

01:47:12.680 Who are you when chaos hits?

01:47:14.540 Who are you when everything is taken from you that you've built over 30 years?

01:47:19.940 And, um, I don't know, but I'm finding out, you know, at least I'm tough.

01:47:24.140 At least I know who the fuck I am.

01:47:25.560 And, and, and, and, you know, that's the other thing.

01:47:27.940 I've talked to people who've been through this and one of, one of a dear friend of mine

01:47:31.260 said, the good news is, you know who you are and you know what you've done and you sure

01:47:36.020 as fuck know what you haven't done.

01:47:37.700 And that's what's kept me going.

01:47:39.760 That's why I keep moving.

01:47:41.440 That's why I'm not quiet about things because I know who I am and good person.

01:47:48.100 And I've done everything I can to try to make the world a better place.

01:47:51.580 And I'll keep doing that.

01:47:53.100 The biggest thing is not letting it take the funny away from you.

01:47:56.060 That's a motherfucker.

01:47:57.260 My biggest accomplishment has been, I wrote a whole hour in this insanity and I was funny

01:48:01.800 and I did a good fucking job and I'll keep doing that.

01:48:05.040 You know, that, that's, that's been, you know, when you can suffer, well, suffer, well,

01:48:10.200 suffer with dignity and suffer productively and criticize by creating, keep criticizing

01:48:16.520 by creating.

01:48:17.580 Don't criticize by complaining.

01:48:19.460 Don't criticize by, you know, well, this person did that to me.

01:48:22.620 That's always going to exist.

01:48:23.960 I just got hit.

01:48:25.420 Okay.

01:48:26.260 Now what?

01:48:26.920 That's good for me to hear, man.

01:48:28.020 Cause I do that.

01:48:28.640 Sometimes I'll fall, especially in this past year.

01:48:30.580 And I think a lot of us have, we've fallen into the complain and the fear and this,

01:48:34.700 the outbursts and the speak, but yet to be able to stay creative.

01:48:38.320 That's it, man.

01:48:39.340 Was there ever did, has there ever been any like actual court case or anything that's

01:48:43.880 followed up from the accusation?

01:48:45.620 No, not at all.

01:48:46.500 Okay.

01:48:46.980 Not at all.

01:48:47.940 And because you're talking about an accusation that was, is 21 years old, dude.

01:48:54.280 This is somebody, I don't want to get into the details, but this is somebody.

01:48:58.020 Yeah.

01:48:58.120 And I'm not trying to get you into it.

01:48:59.180 I just wanted to know.

01:49:00.100 This is somebody I, I mean, it's insane.

01:49:05.020 I don't know what happened and I'm not interested in speculating on that.

01:49:09.320 But there was never like a, there hasn't been like a court case.

01:49:11.900 There's not like a.

01:49:12.880 No, no.

01:49:14.200 Because absolutely not.

01:49:16.260 Right.

01:49:16.420 Well, that's two things.

01:49:17.220 There's one thing.

01:49:17.880 Ready for this?

01:49:18.620 I didn't do it.

01:49:19.500 Right.

01:49:19.800 Right.

01:49:20.060 Right.

01:49:20.280 There's, there's always that.

01:49:21.420 The good news is I didn't do it.

01:49:23.260 And that's, that's, and I mean, you know, I, I'm always hesitant to say this, but the number

01:49:28.300 of women, and I put it in a drop box and I sent it to my lawyer and my, my publicist,

01:49:34.940 the number of women that have been in my life over the past 25 years that reached out without

01:49:39.780 me doing anything.

01:49:41.820 One of a couple of them are high profile who've gone through this stuff with Harvey Weinstein.

01:49:46.660 Wow.

01:49:47.560 The number of women that actually reached out to me and said, I can't believe this is

01:49:51.080 happening to you was so heartening to me.

01:49:54.460 I put them all, all the texts, these people I hadn't heard from for 10 years, 15 years.

01:50:00.480 When you hear from that many people and, you know, I put it all in, I have it all saved.

01:50:07.860 Right.

01:50:08.060 I have it all saved.

01:50:09.560 I have it all saved.

01:50:10.760 It's pretty devastating.

01:50:12.360 It's pretty cool to have that many people that you never even reached out to reach out

01:50:18.360 to you.

01:50:19.080 Then you have some people you haven't talked to in 10 and 15 years.

01:50:22.200 And say, Hey, you were a good guy.

01:50:23.360 Hey, like, I can't believe this is happening to you in a, and I'll be a witness for you.

01:50:28.500 You know, that's like, you know, that, that's, that's what I hold on to those kinds of things.

01:50:32.420 But sometimes when somebody writes an article, it never goes away.

01:50:36.860 They just, you know, your reputation in many ways is destroyed in certain circles, circles

01:50:42.400 or, or it shuts off your ability to do anything in certain facets.

01:50:47.920 Right.

01:50:48.260 And so, okay, that happened.

01:50:51.160 Now what?

01:50:52.380 Now what?

01:50:52.960 Let's move forward.

01:50:54.140 Yeah.

01:50:54.420 But I'm never going to shy from it.

01:50:55.920 I'm never shying from it.

01:50:57.220 And I'm never going to hide.

01:50:58.920 And I'm never going to put my head down because I know who I am and I know the truth.

01:51:03.140 And that's, and Jordan Peterson says in chaos, all you can do is tell the truth.

01:51:07.280 Damn.

01:51:08.000 And, you know, and that's what I said to my fucking, the first thing I said to my lawyer

01:51:11.240 and my publicist, I go, I need to know that you guys know that I'm innocent.

01:51:16.400 I don't want, I'm not, I don't want a hired gun.

01:51:19.500 I don't want anybody who doesn't believe fully that, that this is, you know, and so I provided

01:51:25.060 them with the evidence, but that's okay.

01:51:27.520 Well, I'm sorry for not being brave, like just trying to be brave or to be more supportive.

01:51:30.940 It's not your job that this is a very scary time.

01:51:33.320 So I'll stop you right there.

01:51:34.780 This is a very scary time for everybody because if they can come for me, they can come for

01:51:38.400 anybody.

01:51:38.960 Well, I just wanted to be able to, at least to be able to have a place where people can

01:51:41.860 be heard, whatever they're to have a discussion or just to be, to be heard about like, yeah,

01:51:49.880 it just felt like you'd never had even had a chance to be heard in some ways.

01:51:52.880 You're not, you're not, you know, it's, it's just, it's, it's, we have built a world

01:51:58.540 where due process doesn't exist.

01:52:00.940 We have built a world where like it or not, and there's arguments on both sides where allegations

01:52:06.900 alone ruin everything.

01:52:09.880 Allegations alone destroy your life.

01:52:12.060 And that's a fact.

01:52:13.460 And, and, you know, I always, I really wonder.

01:52:16.380 That's spooky, man.

01:52:17.000 Well, it's, it's, it's not good for anyone.

01:52:20.400 It's fucking Halloween, man.

01:52:21.800 It's not for your brother, not for your father, not for your friend.

01:52:24.980 It ain't.

01:52:25.380 And, and again, I always say this, you know, if you want to build a world like this,

01:52:28.540 like that, where there's no due process, where the court of public opinion can destroy

01:52:32.560 your ability to feed your children, you're next.

01:52:35.900 Yeah.

01:52:36.220 I always say that.

01:52:37.400 So, you know.

01:52:38.380 Oh yeah.

01:52:38.960 I, I, I, I, I just don't see how that ends.

01:52:41.380 I don't see how that, that ends well.

01:52:43.220 Um, well, it just gives all the power to one side and that's an imbalance of power is never

01:52:48.000 good.

01:52:48.540 So we're, we're, we're trying to figure it out.

01:52:50.900 We're all trying to figure it out.

01:52:52.520 Well, yeah, I appreciate you being here today, man, and making me feel, you know, and just,

01:52:56.100 you know, talking to me about it and, and also just talking about this, whatever, man,

01:53:00.520 you know, I've always, I've always felt like you've instilled power in me, man.

01:53:05.600 Really?

01:53:05.980 Yeah, I really do.

01:53:06.800 Well, I believe in you and you're worth it.

01:53:08.900 And I always tell you that when you get down on yourself, you're fucking important.

01:53:12.620 You're important to my friend, you, this, the shit you do, it's so important to people.

01:53:19.120 You know why?

01:53:19.680 Cause they laugh and you know what happens when you laugh, you know what happens when

01:53:23.900 Theo Vaughn makes people laugh.

01:53:25.320 They forget they're human.

01:53:27.100 They forget they have to go to the bathroom.

01:53:28.960 They forget they're broke.

01:53:29.980 They forget they hate their job.

01:53:31.340 They forget that they are, uh, that their, their girlfriend's cheating on them.

01:53:35.760 They forget that they were abused.

01:53:37.320 They forget it all because when you make people laugh, people just, they forget that for a

01:53:41.600 second and it's, and, and they forget that they, uh, have to even sleep.

01:53:46.020 I appreciate you crying over it because it's, it's, it's important that you hear that.

01:53:49.680 You are important.

01:53:51.460 Thanks for your job is important.

01:53:53.820 Well, I appreciate you always making me feel important, bro.

01:53:56.460 Yeah, man.

01:53:57.060 And thank you guys, man, for just even letting me start doing podcasting, man.

01:54:01.300 Yeah.

01:54:01.920 You were undeniable.

01:54:03.180 How the fuck we, how, how are we going to deny you?

01:54:05.460 You're just too undeniable and you put your fucking time in, man.

01:54:10.120 How much, how many years did you put in, including your childhood that made you the comic that

01:54:14.640 you are?

01:54:14.960 Oh yeah.

01:54:15.860 If you include childhood, dude, a decent amount of years, dude, the bed wetting will

01:54:19.620 30.

01:54:20.840 Well, if you include the fucking night shift of changing my own sheet.

01:54:24.760 That's why you wear those diapers.

01:54:25.940 That's not sexy, bro.

01:54:27.020 That's not sexy.

01:54:27.380 Well, I remember at one point I would take a fucking like a towel or sheet or something

01:54:32.000 and wrap it around, make this big diaper and stuff as many t-shirts as out in there.

01:54:36.040 So when I pissed again, it would just absorb it and I could still just stay asleep.

01:54:39.200 How long did you wet the bed for?

01:54:40.340 Oh, he's a no joke.

01:54:41.420 30 years old.

01:54:42.140 Oh, is that right?

01:54:43.100 Yeah, man.

01:54:43.640 I was just a traumatic sleeper.

01:54:46.280 Yeah, bro.

01:54:46.740 I was just fighting fucking dragons.

01:54:48.360 Yeah, man.

01:54:48.900 People are like, you're going to piss?

01:54:49.780 Like, yeah, I'm going to fucking piss now, dude.

01:54:51.060 I'm fucking battling a fucking orca with long arms, bitch.

01:54:56.260 Comics are so special and unique.

01:54:58.060 It's so interesting.

01:54:59.120 Like comics are like, what dysfunction you need?

01:55:01.860 Dude, I remember I used to wake up in the middle of the night because I remember hearing

01:55:04.340 that animals could get you at night.

01:55:06.280 Animals could get you, could get other animals if they hadn't urinated in an area.

01:55:10.140 And I would piss around my bed in a circle from my bed to keep the fucking animals away.

01:55:15.320 Goddamn right.

01:55:15.800 And it works, man.

01:55:16.740 Yeah.

01:55:16.900 And there's nobody checking in with me to make sure everything's okay.

01:55:19.760 That's the golden ring, bro.

01:55:20.200 Nobody coming in my room and noticing that there's just soggy spots in the fucking floorboards.

01:55:25.280 It's the golden ring.

01:55:25.900 It's the golden ring.

01:55:26.720 Keeps snakes away.

01:55:27.580 Yeah, dude.

01:55:28.080 Roaches.

01:55:28.820 Black widows.

01:55:29.400 Kept it all away, bro.

01:55:30.320 Yeah, man.

01:55:31.000 God, yeah.

01:55:31.720 What a fucking battle.

01:55:32.400 And vampires.

01:55:33.140 I think piss keeps the vampires away.

01:55:34.480 If you're a righteous man, if you're a righteous man, you piss righteous.

01:55:38.580 Even vampires go.

01:55:39.500 Bro, this piss smells good.

01:55:41.300 This piss smells like it comes out of a man who does good.

01:55:44.540 A man who hates himself but puts out good in the world.

01:55:46.880 It makes other people feel that they're okay.

01:55:49.820 It makes them forget they're human.

01:55:51.480 Well, we keep doing our best, man.

01:55:53.140 Yes, sir.

01:55:53.660 We keep doing our fucking best, bro.

01:55:54.780 I appreciate you, brother.

01:55:55.400 Yeah, man.

01:55:55.840 I'm glad to see you.

01:55:56.820 Big and hungry.

01:55:57.580 You guys can check it out, obviously.

01:55:59.660 And one of the pioneers of podcasting right here.

01:56:02.540 I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida.

01:56:04.060 Comedy Zone, March 4, 5, and 6.

01:56:07.660 Zany's, March 3rd for the live podcast.

01:56:10.940 Where Theo Vaughn will be down in Nashville.

01:56:13.520 Yeah, maybe I'll pop through over there again.

01:56:14.940 I'd love that if you came in.

01:56:15.720 Damn, that'd be good.

01:56:16.820 And then I got Omaha, Nebraska, March 11, 12, 13.

01:56:21.380 And then I got Huntsville, Alabama, March 25, 26, 27.

01:56:25.300 I think that is the dates, yeah.

01:56:26.560 Really?

01:56:27.100 Stand Up Live.

01:56:27.860 Have you done that?

01:56:29.280 Yeah, I've done it.

01:56:30.380 It's great.

01:56:31.680 It's great.

01:56:32.180 It's not far from Nashville.

01:56:34.240 Yeah, it's a good club.

01:56:34.880 I like that green room.

01:56:35.960 Yeah.

01:56:36.440 It's right there.

01:56:37.920 You know?

01:56:38.620 Huntsville.

01:56:39.560 All right, kids.

01:56:40.700 Thanks, man.

01:56:42.020 God bless.

01:56:42.860 Now I'm just floating on the breeze

01:56:45.940 And I feel I'm falling like these leaves

01:56:48.880 I must be cornerstone

01:56:52.200 Oh, but when I reach that ground

01:56:56.760 I'll share this peace of mind

01:56:58.920 Well, I found I can feel it

01:57:00.980 In my bones

01:57:03.100 But it's gonna take

01:57:06.020 A little time

01:57:08.760 For me to set that parking brake

01:57:12.620 And let myself unwind

01:57:15.380 Shine that light on me

01:57:19.300 I'll sit and tell you my stories

01:57:25.060 Shine on me

01:57:30.020 And I will find a song

01:57:34.280 I will sing it just for you

01:57:37.960 And now I've been moving way too fast

01:57:45.240 On the runaway train

01:57:46.620 With a heavy load of my past

01:57:50.120 And these rails that I've been riding on

01:57:55.680 They're worn so thin

01:57:57.120 That they're damn near gone

01:57:58.440 I guess now they just weren't

01:58:00.340 Built to live

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - February 28, 2021

E325 Bryan Callen

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