E330 Mid-Sized Animal Control Man
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2 hours and 2 minutes
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209.60085
Summary
Marty Voyers is an outdoorsman and indoorsman, hell if the animals have gotten indoors, and he is a mid-sized animal control man. And he can handle anything from, you guessed it, from mouse to bobcat style, that includes woodpecker, flying squirrel, deer, hornet beaver, coyote, skunk, and more. That's this man's company, titled Hawk Predator and Wildlife Control. He has been in the game for a while since he was a child, and now he bothers them. He is the dog, the bounty hunter of mid sized animals. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Marty Voyers.
Transcript
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Today's guest is an outdoorsman and indoorsman, hell if the animals have gotten indoors.
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And he is, well he's a mid-sized animal control man.
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And he can handle anything from, you know, I'm going to go on from mouse to bobcat style.
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That includes woodpecker, flying squirrel, deer, hornet beaver, coyote, skunk, bats, and more.
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His company is titled Hawk Predator and Wildlife Control.
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He has been in the game for a while since he was a child and animals were bothering him.
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He's the dog, the bounty hunter of mid-sized animals.
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If you're hunting, um, if you're hunting like vermin, do you need energy drink?
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and through an attic door if you're big as hell.
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Well, every space is a damn crawl space when you're big, I guess.
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Um, do we, um, is this, I mean, do you, are you cussing?
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I don't want to say something I shouldn't say, so.
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Oh, yeah, the only things I don't say in here usually are, I don't say, I guess, I don't
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say the N word, I don't say, like, F-A-G-G-O-T, I don't say that, and I don't say, I don't say
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like a lot of British curse words, like C-U-N-T, I don't say that, I don't say P-U-S-S-Y, I don't
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Okay, yeah, but anything else is good, um, or it's fine, you know, it's not good, but
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I've watched some of your, I've tried to study and watch some of your podcasts.
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I mean, all of it's a little bit different, you know, I think, you know, first of all,
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How do you say your name so I know what I'm saying?
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Oh, yeah, we had voyeurs usually where I'm from.
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We had, uh, I remember we had to, if you wanted to, if you wanted to go out Tom and
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repeat Tom and they called it, you had to get a ladder from a guy because nobody around
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So we'd go over there and say, look, Wednesday, you know, about 4.35 PM, we want that ladder,
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And, uh, and we'd get out there and peep in time.
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And I actually, I enjoyed, I mean, as a kid, it was, you know what?
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So it reminded me of, uh, we didn't have cable for a while.
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So I know you'd go over to some people's house and it was like watching, it was like
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watching television almost, you know, the windows even shaped like a dang television.
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So I remember sitting out there and just, you know, you know, the, the show isn't that
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It's just a family eating damn, you know, TV dinners and stuff, but it was still local
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But that's just a way to, I mean, I don't like to say that my dad cringes when I do that,
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but for somebody that doesn't know how to pronounce my name, it's voyeurs, voyeurs.
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And that's the only thing I just, I mean, on the youth is I, I mean, I just don't like
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cause some people don't want to talk about, I say, oh yeah.
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If they're like, are you going to relocate him?
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Well, some animals, you got to have to, you relocate them to the Lord.
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You know, some of them it's, that's life, you know?
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Well, I mean, look, it's an interesting job you have.
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And the French are notorious fur trappers, aren't they?
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This year I ended up with 66 coyotes and four bobcats and a lot of other miscellaneous animals,
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But I do that every year in the wintertime, starting in November to February 28th.
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It's fur, I'm slow, my business is slow in the winter.
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And my farming is none in the winter, just the fact of feeding cattle and a fur trap.
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And I do a lot of, in the wintertime I'll do it for free.
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You know, I tell, if you've got coyote problems, I'll come take care of your coyotes and I'll do it for free.
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Okay, so when you're dealing with a coyote, take me through that process.
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So somebody calls you and says, hey, bucko, we got a coyote out here.
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What's the usual complaint if they don't know that it's a coyote?
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Getting her, they have something killing her calves.
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Which more than likely, it's usually something, the calf dies and the coyote is seen eating on it or tracks and he gets the blame.
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But I mean, they will, they'll get a newborn, they'll get a calf while a cow's having it.
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She's defenseless when it's coming out of her and sometimes they'll grab it then.
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And they'll eat the afterbirth, but they'll come after a sick, you know, nature, they'll come after something sick.
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You know, if it's injured or sick, they'll come after it.
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But, you know, I get a lot of calls for that, raiding chicken houses, chicken coops, or their ducks missing.
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It was in that cartoon where it was always in the hen house.
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And Falkhorn Leghorn, I think that's Dutch, that name.
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So we're talking to Mr. Voyers here, and you deal with all types of basically animalia that are problems, right?
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And so I want to get immediately back into that coyote question, because that's just...
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So is it kind of crazy to think that they'll attack during the birth, huh?
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Yeah, they'll go after a cow or an animal, deer, cow.
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They're defenseless, and they'll try to go after them in the end in cases.
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Because deer, the fawn, that's one of their main predators, is coyote.
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For the mortality rate for a baby deer, it's a fawn, is coyotes.
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They'll get the animals when they're weak, sick, and just kind of Mother Nature help them clean up.
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And they'll get one when it's sick, take it out.
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And do you see that as like, it's almost like that's Mother Nature doing, or do you feel like that's like, damn, it's kind of cheating?
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Or do you feel like that's kind of just the way that Mother Nature works?
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I mean, you have something that's not going to make it through the winter, it's going to starve to death.
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Mother Nature's taking out something to feed the other, and it's not going to suffer.
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She's really step Mother Nature almost sometimes, you know?
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I love my step-bobs, and I've got a great step-bob, so...
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So now, did you, were you into dealing with animals at a young age?
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Because if you're a real animal man, then you, I'm guessing you really got into animalia pretty young, huh?
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When I grew up going over to the farm every weekend when I was a youngster,
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and he got me into trapping groundhogs, getting rid of the groundhogs.
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I started trapping there and just worked my way up over the years,
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and he bought me my first traps at the feed store, and it just worked up over time.
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And what kind of traps were those, those first traps?
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My first traps were one-and-a-half leg holds, like foot traps.
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I just want to see what that looks like so we've got an idea of it.
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If you, when you compress the sides of whichever one you're looking at,
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you compress the sides of it, and it's got a latch and a pan.
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And when you get, when you latch the pan, and then you'll cover it up.
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I bed the trap, you bed the trap down, cover it up.
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And, or if it's groundhog, you know, I place it down in the, in the den for the groundhog.
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Now, I don't use that method in my business, but growing up trapping,
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And now, why would you do, so when you say bedding,
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you put like a leaves and stuff over it, some kind of camo?
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In essence, I bed the trap down to where they don't see it.
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You kind of dig out, you kind of dig out a hole,
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and you place the trap down, cover it up to where they walk in,
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And they're going after, like if it's a coyote or a predator,
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I use a bait hole, which I'll make a, dig a little hole in the ground
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So, the coyote's concentrating on that, and we'll dig it out,
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and then get the trap while he's working the set, going after the bait.
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You'll kind of just wait for their weight to hit it?
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Well, I mean, if you, Lou, now I don't, in my younger, when I was a kid,
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But if I'm at a customer's house, can't really use a foothold trap in somebody's front yard.
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I have a, we use a good cage, as I use a Comstock cage, a double door cage,
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and I'll set it, bed it, set it in front of the hole,
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and make a deposit to where, when the groundhog comes out, he has to go in that trap.
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He has no option but to go in there to get outside.
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So, that way, I can say I catch three groundhogs, and we don't catch anything for a week.
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I can say, there's no more groundhogs in that hole, and then we can seal the hole up,
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So, this trap right here, this is a single door trap, you said?
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It's double door, single door, but Comstock, it's one of my favorite traps,
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one of the most popular traps with the nuisance wildlife operators.
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It looks like it has, like, kind of this, like, almost a teeter-totter door
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where once you go through it, it just closes back and you can't get out.
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It's a spring-loaded door on it, and it's got the triggers in the middle.
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So, when raccoon, groundhog comes through, he hits those triggers in the middle,
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It goes down hard enough to where if one gets caught in it, it could kill it.
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Okay, and so what animal, honestly, when you see an animal that, and you trap one,
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which one does it seem like the happiest to get trapped?
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Is there any that's like, thank God for getting me out of this thing?
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Because I wonder sometimes if there's animals out there that are ready to be domesticated,
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and they're just like, praise God, somebody take me out of this damn food chain, you know?
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Because I'm sure for some animals, it is just, it's a dirty world out there.
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Probably the most laid-back creature that we trap, that I trap, is probably a possum-wise.
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I mean, it'll, you come up to it, if it's in a cage, it'll be curled up asleep usually, playing possum,
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or if it's in a, I'll have them get into my trap when I'm predator-trapping,
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and you can catch anything in these traps, you know, anything, a possum's a scavenger.
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I call them ground buzzards, is what I call them.
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They eat everything, they'll eat anything dead or whatever on the ground.
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Oh, yeah, forest shrimp, they call them sometimes.
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Yeah, and they'll, I mean, I've had them, I mean, it sounds nasty, the dead cow, I'll sit sometimes around it,
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and I've seen them cut, they'll go in, they'll eat their way inside of the cow.
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And how do they get in? Through, like, the butt, really?
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I mean, it's kind of gross, but when you deal with, I mean, when you deal with the, I mean, do it, it doesn't really bother you.
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When you, my, the old way we did it, you know, you drag the cow to the holler and let Mother Nature consume it.
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Give back, give back to her, let her consume it.
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Yeah, no, now you should take it, you know, really to the landfill, but we usually have a holler, dig a hole with the loader,
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maybe track the loader and bury it, cover it up.
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But they're, well, back to a possum, you know, to get them, they're the most docile.
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I mean, I can, you can catch them, I can pick them up and hold them.
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Their mainly, their main defense is they, they snarl, which.
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So right before you hit them, right before they get run over, they grin real big at you.
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Cause that's their main defense is they just grin and hiss at you to scare you away.
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You can't, but they can't defend themselves anyway.
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And that's what, and they are actually marsupial, marsupial.
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It's, uh, I didn't know that, um, that they had that.
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They carry their, they carry their young in a pouch.
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And now can you get, like, is there like, uh, do you know how many they could fit in there?
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No, I, I mean, I did litter probably five or six, about an average litter.
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But, I mean, they, they'll stay in there until they get so big and they, you know, it's obviously
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Then they'll stay with her, ride on her back like you got in the pictures.
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But they're, I mean, they're the most, they're a pretty gentle creature other than, you know,
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They just, I don't know, just like a little, no, he tried to scare you.
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The skunk sprays, um, raccoons just mean, they'll just come after you.
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Now, tell me this, sir, is the, um, what is a vermin?
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Is there like a, is there like a, you know, some rural kind of courtroom where they're like,
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Like, like, do they, if something causes enough problems, is it then a vermin?
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When does it go from pest to vermin to swamp thing or whatever?
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When, you know, raccoons are, I mean, they don't bother you in, in, in nature.
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You know, you, you see raccoons all the time on the road or running around.
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They're not a pest until they make their way in your house.
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They get in your attic to go through your soffit or chimney or whatever and get into your attic,
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They may, they use the bathroom like a cat in the same place.
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So, if you've got raccoons that have been in there for quite a while, you have quite a mess.
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So, if you see a bunch of coon duty somewhere, that's really, that's a giveaway, real sign.
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And you, oh, I'll open up attic, I've opened up attic doors and had it dumped right on me before.
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I mean, it's always, you're always opening your, your duct like, real easy to make sure there's not going to be,
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because that's usually, you know, the back guano or raccoon feces is going to be right there on top of the attic door also.
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Definitely be surprised you get that dumped onto.
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Like, and, and I don't know if this bat knew her or what, but that thing came after me, boy.
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That thing, like, it came after, that bat might have been her, you know, I don't know if her dad had passed and this was, it was a spirit.
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But this thing did not want me putting my fangs in her neck, that's for sure, brother.
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You know, we wandered up into an attic of a semi, not abandoned house, but a house that hadn't even been built yet.
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Now, raccoons, though, get the, they really, I feel like, kind of get the, they get looked at, I feel like, as Mother Nature's kind of hit man a little bit.
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They really have come into their own as being just burglars, you know?
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Like, I think every time you see them, they look so guilty.
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I mean, they, when they see our houses or your house, they just see a tree.
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They see, you know, every, you know, the neighborhoods and subdivisions are tearing down more woods and more environment to build the houses.
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And they don't have really, their main predator is man.
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And so, they, when they look at your house, just like any of these animals, they just see a, they just see a big tree.
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A funny looking tree, you know, they can climb right up the side and right up a downspout and they'll find a way in.
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And they'll make, they'll make your home their home.
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So, they just see their house, your house as a tree, really.
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Yeah, I mean, that's what they see it as, you know, just, just a different type of structure.
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They want to be, the, the female raccoons, they want to be up high.
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They want, you know, if they're not in, like, a cavity of a tree, it's where they, you know, would be in the nature.
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Because they want it, they want to be up high so that when they have their young, they're away from predators.
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They're away from things that could hurt their babies.
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One of their main, one of their main concerns when they're having their babies is male raccoons.
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Another one of Mother Nature's things is a male raccoon will search out the female and kill those babies to make her come into heat again.
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Which is Mother Nature, another cruel way of Mother Nature.
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It's, it's just a cycle, just, it's just Mother Nature.
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And so, the mama raccoons, or sow raccoons is what we call them, they'll, they'll go, they get high up in the attics and that's, they'll make their dens trying to keep away from everything else.
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So, even there, could it even be the own male that knocked them up?
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Oh my God, dude, it sounds like a damn John Grisham.
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Some of the, one technique that we use, eviction fluid, which is mainly raccoon piss.
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And you can take it, I'm not a big fan of it because I like to catch the raccoon and remove it.
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But you can take eviction fluid and put it around in her entry hole and in the attic.
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And the female raccoon will think there's a male present and take her babies and shag out of there.
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So, you mean if you want to get her out of there.
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Yeah, some places they, if you use like all humane, no trapping, they can use eviction fluid and that can make the female think there's a male present and she'll get her babies and get out.
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That way I can tell the customer, hey, we got, I've got mama, I got five kits out of your attic and sealed up and we're good to go.
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Otherwise you just, once you put that piss down there, they're just looking, you're just, you're scaring them off.
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They can, they'll either leave or they'll just go even deeper.
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Now, what about this, I want to get back a little bit to this.
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I mean, it's almost like a Shakespeare story that the, so the female can have children, have babies, raccoon can have babies.
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And a man raccoon will come and kill the babies while they're being born.
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Will the male raccoon eat them or just kill them?
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And then kill them just so the female will go back into heat so then he can get laid, basically.
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I mean, it's not the only, a lot of animals do it.
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You know, and other animals like that, it'll kill their offspring or the offspring.
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I mean, that's not, I don't come across that very often.
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But I mean, I've found it where I come do an attic inspection and just find a bloodbath.
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You know, just a little young, I mean, little kitsch.
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And just be ripped open, just, you know, horrible where the male raccoons come in and kill them all.
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You don't see it very often, which I don't see it very often.
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You know, it's something, like I said, Mother Nature's cool sometimes.
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Hell, if you want something going into your body, you almost want it to be the little man or, you know, not too big of a man.
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Now, here's a question that came in from some fellow right here who's probably out of work,
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but also seemed like a decent fellow right here.
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I've got a question for the real-life wildlife control man,
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which is a question that Theo actually brought up on one of the Joe Rogan episodes,
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which is that how are these raccoons not a bigger problem?
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So tell us what's going on with these raccoons.
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and they're willing to kill children and get sex,
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and they're obviously breaking into people's homes.
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and I'll see you ever see that one weird raccoon that's in the recycling bin?
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He's like he's reading in there or something, you know?
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But I'll see the ones in, you know, it's like you'll go out at night.
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and it's a peaceful, regular-looking neighborhood.
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And there's only three or four trees in the dang neighborhood.
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And you come by at about, dang, 1240, I feel like,
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and you'll see them in little groups of three just cruising along.
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I mean, they hide right before your damn eyes, it seems like.
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I mean, more, it's getting to be more and more of a problem.
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Like, the more we build and go into the farmland,
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Like I said, the only natural real predator is man,
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a lot of people have them and don't know they have them.
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you might hear something every once in a while,
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They don't come in here and bother me in my living room,
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they're the real Andy Dufresnes of the damn animal kingdom.
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Is there any animal as sneaky as a dang raccoon?
00:28:14.360
like they don't invade your homes like a raccoon does,
00:28:27.940
there's sometimes they're a pretty big challenge to get the rats are pretty sneaky.
00:28:34.500
they'll change the routes and where they come in and they're,
00:28:41.420
those come to mind as being the most sneaky to me.
00:28:44.320
do you look at it as a competition when you wake up in the morning?
00:28:49.760
I kind of wonder how you envision your position in the world.
00:29:03.920
Do you look at it as you're just helping people?
00:29:05.860
Like just kind of what's the vibe that you have to take on each day to really get out there and,
00:29:10.960
and solve some of these animal issues that are in the world.
00:29:30.940
somebody has a house and they have a large colony of bats.
00:29:34.420
And when I can go in and seal that house up and evict those bats,
00:29:50.020
you sold a new album or you sold a new car or signed a new deal.
00:30:20.820
how you have to set up on it or what happens or it's all a little bit there.
00:30:28.620
Take me on a call for something where you like,
00:30:32.380
I just had a vision of you like walking through the zoo.
00:30:34.700
Just kind of looking at the animals being like,
00:30:43.340
we go through the Cincinnati zoo a couple of years back and I was,
00:31:08.740
They do the tricks that make you think they're being good.
00:31:15.680
that's what they're cute until they start taking away something.
00:31:38.060
you get by the zoo cage or the water zoo and you'll see them do those tricks.
00:31:45.540
but you don't notice the two otters in the back beating the fuck out of a
00:32:06.480
they're grooming themselves and they're always where their hair,
00:32:09.540
they're oily to where it helps them shed the water.
00:32:15.460
They look like they got their hair dyed for the summer.
00:32:23.660
I handle lots of baby and they're so cute and cuddly,
00:32:26.020
but they grow up to be big raccoons and then they can be very destructive.
00:32:33.140
but they're going to grow up to dig underneath their house and,
00:32:49.340
So now we're seeing kind of the evolution from them just being an animal to
00:32:53.780
They become a pest when they are bothering you.
00:32:59.260
when they're causing some disruption in our world.
00:33:02.880
is it kind of weird because we're really causing a disruption in their world?
00:33:12.540
it's not like you get to go to the courthouse and nine groundhogs get to show
00:33:22.660
And they're going to come up to your front porch under your bushes up against
00:33:28.560
And they're going to dig their holes because you're in their world.
00:33:34.560
and then they're cute and cuddly and not really a big harm when they're out in
00:33:48.460
Most people don't ever encounter something like that until they become a
00:33:55.340
look at the groundhog in the neighbor's yard over there.
00:33:57.460
And then next summer when that groundhog had babies and some of their babies
00:34:34.560
which told me her friend kept a raccoon as a pet.
00:34:46.560
why did my grandmother even have this lady as a friend who has a damn raccoon?
00:34:55.660
starting to take on animals where it seems a little bit like it's more about them than it is about the animal.
00:35:08.720
They're trying to have a little bootleg ass Noah's Ark in their bathtub or something.
00:35:12.400
Have you run into some stuff like that where somebody calls you?
00:35:18.200
like I had a small dream of doing a little bit of Dr.
00:35:25.980
it mainly happens on like a rental property where somebody has had a pet raccoon.
00:35:41.540
not scared of humans and they take it and they try to make it a pet,
00:35:58.880
So let's slow that down for me and for our listeners.
00:36:12.820
you're not allowed to keep the wildlife as a pet.
00:36:18.140
you're not supposed to not saying they're going to come get you.
00:36:24.100
I have some conservation officer friends and they do receive calls and
00:36:55.680
what do they try to do to have it really be part of their little life?
00:36:58.780
I see sometimes they'll put a little diaper on it or they'll put a damn little,
00:37:07.940
even somebody made it a little damn amulet thing for its wrist.
00:37:12.620
you see people really try and make them human in some way.
00:37:19.180
if you had to go and you find something and it's wearing a damn,
00:37:24.660
have you ever found anything like that where somebody's got a damn homemade
00:37:35.200
I've run across people with pet raccoons and it's cool.
00:37:52.640
I've seen people pet squirrels and you get them as a baby.
00:38:00.100
is there something you can do to keep it domesticated so it doesn't turn wild again?
00:38:16.240
that got out of the job and I kept it for a while.
00:38:19.300
I took it to the rehabilitator and I get dough or a phone call,
00:38:44.840
she'll put it down and she'll leave and go away from him.
00:39:01.240
They'll try to raise it themselves or they'll call me or call a game warden.
00:39:10.100
bottle feeding them and then take them to a rehabber in which they are,
00:39:13.480
they're a licensed rehabber and they raise them up.
00:39:15.660
They'll raise them up to where they can survive on their own and release them
00:39:24.040
we can take them to a rehabber and they can rate,
00:39:27.800
raise them up and release them back into the wild.
00:39:31.040
Let's get a question that came in from one of our listeners here.
00:39:34.620
We've got a lot of great listeners on this podcast and real grateful for that.
00:39:38.580
And here's a man right here that had a question about something decent man.
00:39:52.240
One of these young cats or one of them dog dogs out there.
00:39:58.900
What's harder to catch out on the streets when you're working?
00:40:07.960
That new edition with the hit her in the front,
00:40:14.680
People make a lot of bootleg merchandise and sell it.
00:40:29.660
a lot of wildlife operators will not touch a cat.
00:40:33.760
We don't normally ever fool with a canine because you have dog pound,
00:40:57.240
It's just a cat that's running wild that you can't get close to.
00:41:03.060
most towns and cities you drive and you'll see cats running everywhere.
00:41:20.860
I remember one summer I seen about 40 cats out there.
00:41:26.200
it was like a town home community and they'll go from one or two cats and,
00:41:35.660
70 cats and they attack her while she's sleeping.
00:41:51.080
They're going to get diseased because there's so many of them.
00:41:56.520
Crap all and pee all around your bushes and stinks.
00:42:33.280
all that dirt and stuff on their nails when they scratch you.
00:42:45.620
trying to handle them with my big gloves on and they'll get real infected.
00:42:59.960
This should be your dang alarm when you wake up in the morning.
00:43:06.500
I could go to a job like that and maybe capture 30 cats.
00:43:20.420
I'll wear bite-proof gloves that come up to about my elbow.
00:43:25.560
I don't want to get full of getting affected and have to nurse a wound.
00:43:46.500
I used to piss around my bed when I was growing up though,
00:43:51.400
We grew up in a pretty scary area and I remember hearing when I was young,
00:43:55.660
and I've talked about this a bunch on this podcast,
00:44:04.940
I would pee or I would stand on my bed at night and pee around it in like a
00:44:29.520
I start to see that there's probably some jurisdiction issues.
00:44:32.220
Do you ever run into jurisdiction issues where the dog catcher has got
00:45:01.860
the employees are getting bombarded by all these stray cats that are around the
00:45:10.580
Betty in the neighborhood has got a cat and she wants you to get rid of it.
00:45:13.720
Cause she's pissed at the neighbor and it's her cat.
00:45:16.040
it's too much legal issue there and bad publicity.
00:45:34.020
They ride in your vehicles up in the engine compartment when it's cold.
00:45:55.140
let it kind of work out that cat scratch fever right there,
00:46:09.280
your grandfather gives you the trap and you're trapping stuff around the way.
00:46:12.600
How do you then get into the echelon where you stay in that vein for most
00:46:33.400
my last one was for a rock mine close to where I live underground mine.
00:47:24.380
just kind of get tips where new guys get into the business and just evolved from there.
00:47:45.760
You got to have a little bit of background in it where it really helps to do that.
00:47:53.340
loving animals to wanting to change your career.
00:47:56.540
So I quit my other job as a minor and was already farming.
00:48:07.620
you kind of worked as an apprentice in some way under,
00:48:26.520
I had to study and take my tests to the state fish and wildlife to be a
00:48:29.960
nuisance control operator and had to study guide.
00:48:36.560
an organization for the wildlife operators and some of their core online courses and
00:48:41.380
some of their books and literature to just get more from animal
00:48:50.060
The difference from trapping a raccoon in somebody's barn to,
00:48:52.560
to making a positive set on a house and it's in your soffit and you're 25,
00:48:58.240
30 feet off the ground with a trap upside down under the soffit.
00:49:02.880
We'll try to screw it down and attach it to your side of your house.
00:49:06.500
Do you ever have to like fingerprint or dust for prance or do any kind of like
00:49:34.820
So I'll put that camera up and now it'll send an alert to my phone.
00:50:10.900
what type of animal has the most sex out there?
00:50:15.640
you see a lot of animals and you'll see them with their children,
00:50:18.380
but you don't hear about the sex a lot of times.
00:50:23.900
the actual mating becomes a problem for a homeowner where that is the issue?
00:50:48.380
They only come out at night and that's something they're probably not going to do in your front yard for you.
00:51:04.840
They'll mate somewhere when she comes in the heat and she finds a suitor and she accepts him and they mate.
00:51:11.640
And then she'll seek out a den place to have her babies,
00:51:21.280
She's going in her house to keep away from that guy.
00:51:24.700
She wants to keep away from him and anything else that could hurt her babies.
00:51:28.560
It's like Planned Parenthood almost a little bit,
00:51:33.840
Let's get another question that came in right here.
00:51:35.780
What do we have showing that really some people are inquiring?
00:51:46.920
Just little pieces of it are just so fascinating.
00:51:49.220
It's just like things you just wouldn't think about.
00:51:53.360
We got a young fella right here who's got an animal.
00:52:02.140
what is like the biggest injury or anything that you've got from trying to wrangle an animal?
00:52:15.960
What happens when you're dealing with these animals?
00:52:17.680
My biggest injury is I've had two ladders break on me.
00:52:43.460
It's a church parsonage in area where I work at.
00:53:04.160
And so I'm a talking to her and she's asking me these questions.
00:53:13.800
He was already putting another trap back up over the hole.
00:53:23.560
I had it sitting towards on up and straight up and down.
00:53:26.220
And I grabbed the end of it and stuck my finger into the cage where,
00:53:35.460
I let out pretty good scream and a few words I shouldn't have in front of the
00:53:56.740
you had already a raccoon in the cage and you just put your hand too close to
00:54:12.080
I was talking to her and look the way as I was reaching it,
00:54:15.700
reaching for the cage and just wouldn't look and just stupid mistakes.
00:54:21.040
She went right after him and didn't want to let go was to grab and,
00:54:29.700
I've been coon hunting and I've talked to coon hunters before.
00:54:38.160
you definitely don't want them biting your finger.
00:54:44.940
You don't want to do it at the preacher's house.
00:55:15.440
now have you witnessed some good animal fights and be honest there?
00:55:34.920
But that way he's got his back covered on the ground and fight.
00:55:39.140
It's almost like they teach you in MMA to kind of do that.
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You would constantly hear about it, the fear of it, what was going on.
00:58:35.780
And then I get a text from somebody maybe a year ago and they said rabies is kind of making a comeback.
00:58:42.860
Yeah, rabies in Kentucky, in my area of the state, it's gotten worse over the last couple of years.
00:58:51.520
As in not, I don't know of people cases, but animals getting tested and getting the rabies.
00:58:57.740
The fox, raccoon, skunk, and coyotes are all in the rabies vector and we have to euthanize those now
00:59:05.380
because there's such a high number of rabies cases with them.
00:59:10.600
One of these, you know, something that's rabid.
00:59:16.340
I got a call last week from a car dealership at home.
00:59:19.840
Hey, we got this raccoon, or excuse me, excuse me, it's skunk.
00:59:26.460
Oh, look, if a skunk gets its nails done, it's almost a damn raccoon.
00:59:29.760
Well, it's in the middle of the parking lot at 12 o'clock at lunchtime.
00:59:39.220
It's stomping, which is what's something they do when they're threatened.
00:59:43.040
They'll stomp their, they'll rear up and take their feet and stomp the ground.
00:59:46.360
It's basically like seeing, like somebody that's cracked out on drugs.
00:59:57.600
And I thought, well, it's, it's, it's, it's showing signs.
01:00:03.560
And so I come out and I end up, I just, I put my gloves on.
01:00:09.580
I brought a cage, put a cage down over next to it.
01:00:11.900
And I took some six foot tongs, which is like just big grabbers and just kind of forced it
01:00:16.780
into the, pushed it into the trap, shut the lid and done deal.
01:00:20.020
But that, I mean, you don't know if it's, it's, it's showing signs of either being distemper
01:00:27.960
Now, a rabid animal has to be euthanized or taken, taken control.
01:00:33.300
Like there, there's, you can't, there's no cure for rabies.
01:00:36.800
I youth, I have to, in my part of the state, I have to euthanize the skunks because there's
01:00:41.300
so many of them have been found with rabies that if I capture one, you know, one in the
01:00:46.080
wild is one thing, but if I, once I capture one, we have it, they want me to euthanize
01:00:51.720
Because then it could really infect a person at that point.
01:00:59.260
So you don't want to relocate it because it could have rabies, it could have another disease
01:01:03.520
and then you would transmit that to the rest of the population in that area.
01:01:09.160
If it's out there stomping its feet in a parking lot at noon, I mean, it'll be washing your
01:01:16.640
You see a raccoon out in the middle of the day, something's wrong.
01:01:20.440
Now, so once you get that animal, now to euthanize, you guys have, you take it to a
01:01:26.580
Is there like kind of like a bag and gas kind of vibe or is it.
01:01:29.460
I mean, we have, the state lets us do different types of euthanasia.
01:01:33.900
Gas chambers are most popular, which is the CO and, you know, it just pain, you know, puts
01:01:41.600
We used to have a carbon monoxide leak over at my buddy Jeff's house, dude.
01:01:55.700
We didn't even know about doing huffing gas, you know?
01:01:57.840
And next thing you know, man, we go over there, we fall asleep on Friday, wake up on
01:02:03.520
I mean, dude, I woke up, I felt damn nine months old, dude.
01:02:09.440
But cause he had a gas leak in there, you know?
01:02:11.420
So every now and then a little bit isn't, it's not horrible, but it's, uh, a lot will
01:02:17.700
Now if you have, so that's, so that's a raccoon being rabbit.
01:02:21.380
Well, how do you know some of these other animals are rabbit?
01:02:25.640
Um, what, what, they'll act, they'll, no, you said, we already said raccoon.
01:02:31.780
The skunks are when I captured the parking lot.
01:02:33.540
Oh, that was that, that, uh, that it's showing signs of being sick, either distemper or rabies.
01:02:39.000
You know, you, I treat, I kind of treat them all like they got something just like, uh,
01:02:44.500
in, uh, in a fire, in my fire department setting, like on a wreck, I treat, you treat everybody
01:02:51.040
like they got something that way you're always covered and you always wear PPE, you always
01:02:55.940
You don't say, well, he don't have it, don't need them.
01:03:00.320
So whenever I handle the animals, I always got my gloves on.
01:03:03.580
You treat all of them like they would have rabies just, you don't, so you don't take the chance.
01:03:07.080
Um, now when you, uh, when you're going on these house calls and stuff, well, how about this?
01:03:20.720
Is it hard to meet a woman when you're in the animal world?
01:03:22.840
Do you ever meet a woman on a call that you ended up taking on a date sometime?
01:03:34.900
I met, I met her, oddly enough, cruising the parking lot back in the good old days, back
01:03:45.900
Dude, we used to meet up at a Michael, they had like Michael's craft store and we'd always
01:03:50.040
meet up over by Michael's out in front of Michael's on like a Friday or Saturday.
01:03:55.280
I mean, we met cruising in a parking lot and it went from, told her, I told her that night
01:03:59.480
I was going to marry her and she just laughed at me and here we are, been married 23 years
01:04:04.260
and we were together for about two years before that.
01:04:08.320
It, she's not, some of my animals aren't her favorite.
01:04:19.820
She, I had a bunch of, when we were allowed to relocate still, I, we got a 500 acre farm.
01:04:27.720
Now when you say you're allowed to relocate, just to clarify, so I know what we're saying.
01:04:31.180
Does that mean you're allowed to take animals and keep them?
01:04:33.000
Yeah, like if I had some raccoons, I could relocate them on an approved area.
01:04:36.200
They had to be a hundred plus acres and had to be landowner permission and I could release
01:04:41.380
And so that was something that was allowed by the state, by your, for your job in your area.
01:04:46.440
No, not on no certain animals or rabies vector animals.
01:04:49.680
So, I mean, if I catch a groundhog, I can release it.
01:04:57.300
So anyway, so I had about six or seven raccoons and I was letting, I had my wife with me.
01:05:03.840
I said, well, you video this and make a good video.
01:05:05.940
So I said, you video it and I'm going to let him go.
01:05:08.180
And so she's all, here he is sitting there and I get the trap out and I set it down and
01:05:12.120
it runs off and she's video and oh, it runs off in the woods.
01:05:17.060
And then I get one up and I said, this was for you, baby.
01:05:20.680
And it went right after, went right next to her feet.
01:05:25.540
That was the last time she went with me when we let animals go.
01:05:33.320
I'll bring in kit raccoons and my daughter, you know, she'll play with them and hold them
01:05:45.140
I had to do what they, I had to do what the state requires me to do.
01:05:53.940
Have you ever seen somebody that had an animal they're not supposed to have and you let it
01:05:59.800
I don't enforce, I don't care what, I mean, I've been to people's houses and they've had
01:06:11.060
Somebody gots a dam and you could just blink at me if you have.
01:06:25.540
Have you ever rescued a rat or something out of the attic of a meth lab?
01:06:28.800
Actually, I did in a town, I won't name the town.
01:06:32.580
I was doing a bat inspection on an apartment complex.
01:06:41.900
Look, if I'm on meth, dude, I promise you, I'll definitely think there's bats around, baby.
01:06:52.040
And so, I'm certain they had like 18 buildings, two-story buildings.
01:06:56.400
It took all day long to inspect all the attics.
01:06:59.220
So, I go to this one house and I was like, nobody's here in this apartment.
01:07:02.920
He said, oh yeah, we hadn't got this cleared to rent back out yet.
01:07:07.380
And the guy, the maintenance guy's downstairs and I'm walking through the structure and I get up to the attic and I get my ladder, open the door up.
01:07:14.080
And I said, well, what's with the white paint and all these little cards hanging?
01:07:18.940
And he said, oh, that's where they, we had a meth lab up here and they came in and decontaminated it.
01:07:26.640
So, they paint, they seal everything up with type of paint that if something's in the wood from that meth lab, it seals it up to where it can't harm anybody anymore.
01:07:36.500
And so, I go up and do this attic and it's all like this, just bright white in here.
01:07:40.280
And it's got all these little, these little cards hanging that's supposed to detect any type of chemicals if something's still lingering.
01:07:50.020
Yeah, it's just like a, it had just an indicator if it detected something, it changed colors or had a little gate meter on it.
01:07:56.640
So, that was, a meth lab had been cleaned up and that was a different one.
01:08:02.700
I mean, I go into million-dollar homes and I go into places that ought to be burnt to the ground.
01:08:09.480
And if people's doing meth, that's their business.
01:08:12.820
You know, people, oh, I'm sorry, man, out here.
01:08:15.360
I'm like, no, I don't, I mean, I've seen, you name it, I've seen it.
01:08:18.640
And I just, you know, when I go into the house and I'm looking for a bat.
01:08:23.340
You know, I'm not in your kitchen, I'm going underneath your bed.
01:08:28.520
I'm looking into places that usually people don't look in your house.
01:08:40.240
Some stuff, you know, they're like, oh, they'll get, they'll be like, oh my God, here, I'm sorry.
01:08:46.140
You ever seen anybody hiding in that person's house or something like that?
01:08:48.620
No, but I see where they've hid stuff, you know, stuff that they don't want people to know.
01:08:52.500
I go up in the attics and I find, you know, you'll find stocks, old nudie books up in the attics years ago.
01:09:04.560
Hidden up in that, I mean, everything over, I mean, you do it long enough, you find, I mean, I'm underneath the houses, I'm in the attics, I'm crawling through the closets looking for stuff.
01:09:15.900
You're in the nooks and crannies, baby, at that point.
01:09:17.840
And some of it's kind of nasty, you know, when you're in there.
01:09:21.520
I mean, if I'm at a place doing a rat job, you know, clean, good houses, clean places can get rats.
01:09:29.740
I mean, they're there for the food source, but if you have a dirtier environment, it's going to attract more bugs, rats, mice, and it just gets nastier.
01:09:39.880
Have you been in some places that it gets pretty bad?
01:09:43.700
Oh, I did a single wide trailer several years ago, way out in the country, rural setting, and the complaint was rats.
01:09:53.640
And I said, okay, and I got my stuff, so I'll come out and do an inspection.
01:09:57.580
And so I come out, and they got chickens, chicken coop, right in the backyard, chickens running around right next to the trailer, piles of cracked corn feeding their chickens.
01:10:07.480
They got multiple dogs outside, great big bowls full of dog food.
01:10:13.100
So I know where the rats are going to be there.
01:10:14.980
Oh, you know already where they're going to be there?
01:10:16.300
Well, I know they're there because of food source.
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Dog food, crack, they got to have a food source.
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And so I go inside, and as soon as I opened the door up, I sent a rat run through.
01:10:27.160
And so here's this man and woman in the house that had two children, an older child and a younger child.
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I'm not there to judge how anybody is, you know, and I'm just there to do my job.
01:10:42.980
And so I talked to her and started investigating.
01:10:45.440
It was so bad in one room that I went in the room, and there was a – my generation, though,
01:10:52.780
you used to have to take the top off a soup lid.
01:10:55.460
So you had to take the – now they're just peeled up.
01:11:01.680
When I said, why are there soup lids nailed all around the walls at the baseboard?
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And each time they chew a new hole, we nail a soup can lid over top of that hole.
01:11:16.740
I mean, it was such a bad infestation that I'd catch a rat, and it would get eaten before I got there.
01:11:24.700
Like, she'd get up in the morning and check all the traps and say, okay, we got some rats.
01:11:31.580
When I would get there, I'd found just like the back legs left bones.
01:11:35.280
The rats are – they'll cannibalize each other.
01:11:37.120
Now, will they only cannibalize each other once they've been caught, so they don't like give any information away?
01:11:41.100
Well, the other one's not going to sit still long enough, unless it dies.
01:11:44.680
But I don't know what I'm saying is like, do the rats realize, okay, you know, Henry or whatever got caught.
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We got to kill him, so he doesn't tell anybody else.
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Or if he's already dead, or here, Henry, he's food, we're going to eat him now.
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I mean, like I said, Mother Nature's cruel, once again.
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You know, it's cannibalize each other, the rats.
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But, I mean, it's – and they're there for the food source and left uncontrolled.
01:12:14.620
And, you know, I think we end up catching 30, 40 rats out of there and got rid of all of them.
01:12:19.420
Now, have you ever had anybody – I'll tell you this.
01:12:24.480
And I met a man from Iowa who used to – his friend sold the penis – he sold raccoon penis necklaces.
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This is what the man told me right in the street.
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And I thought that first man was crazy, and then I got his phone number, you know, because it sounded interesting.
01:12:42.420
And I haven't even looked at my phone in years, but I bet it's in there.
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Is that a – have you ever had anybody call you and say, hey, you know, Mr. Voorhees, will you help me collect some of that?
01:12:52.180
You know, I'm trying to do something, or I'm going into a business, you know, rabbit's feet or something.
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Will you help me collect an item along the way?
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Like in the wintertime, like for fur trapping, I catch a raccoon, and I'll skin it out and keep the fur.
01:13:25.380
This getting outside the wildlife, this is a trap, back to the just trapping part.
01:13:30.660
And you would – you skin it out, dry it out, and sell it at auction.
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Where they used to – back in the 70s, you might have got $30, $40 for a raccoon pelt.
01:13:42.520
Now you might – last year's auction I went to, they were $0.50 up to $5.
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Yeah, so that's not worth my – I don't spend the time to do it.
01:13:56.160
But when I did do it, and when I do, if I catch one, I'll take it back, skin it out.
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I mean, they're worth – I mean, you can – there's guys that buy them.
01:14:14.480
And so is it – how much bone is on that penis, brother?
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You should have – I wish we talked about that.
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That's – I mean, they're – you can sell about every part of the animal.
01:14:37.060
And the skull's worth – you know, the guys that do it, the skull's worth something.
01:14:46.060
You know, actually some places – I thought – thinking Louisiana, I thought they sell
01:15:05.840
I mean, you could – I mean, I know guys in trapping groups I'm on Facebook.
01:15:14.340
I mean, it's all meat once you get the hide off of it.
01:15:25.620
My grandparents – I used to hear my grandparents talk about eating groundhogs all the time.
01:15:34.520
But I know I've eaten beaver, but the animal beaver.
01:15:49.580
Out of anything that you would trap outside – I mean, we do nooses trapping for beavers, too.
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I haven't had that, and I'm sure I could probably get into it in this area, because I spent about half the year out here now, it looks like.
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I'm sure I'll be able to get into just more option for that meat.
01:16:14.360
The further west you get, they don't want you having any meat.
01:16:18.260
I mean, you can't go to the grocery store and buy it, but you can buy it out at, I'm sure, select places or – no, it's – I mean, it's not USDA-inspected stuff.
01:16:31.340
I want the guy who's got a cooler on his passenger seat.
01:16:41.440
When you get the bone of the raccoon, the penis, do they – have anybody ever made like a thing of necklaces?
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I mean, but I'm sure – I'm sure there are people out there who have.
01:16:57.420
It's amazing they have that much penis on them.
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They'll make necklaces out of them, bear teeth.
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I mean, once you polish it and clean it up, it's just bone.
01:17:13.600
Just knowing where it comes from or what it is.
01:17:15.720
I mean, if I laid that out there, you would never know what it was.
01:17:18.080
I mean, unless you've studied that or looked at it, you'd never know what that was.
01:17:25.840
Oh, I'd stir preserves with that thing, brother.
01:17:28.460
You can get right on there and you can buy – I mean, you can look on eBay and buy coon peggers.
01:17:32.880
What's the largest – what is the largest animal penis you've seen that's out there?
01:17:49.420
I mean, I don't take those out, but when you skin them, you've got to skin around it.
01:17:58.400
So, some animals have bone in their penis, huh?
01:18:02.820
I mean, it's – the animals, the – I don't know what all animals, I'm not that.
01:18:18.180
Damn, now, otter's got that heater on him, huh?
01:18:35.080
I'll tell you, look, I'll be real honest about where I am on this chart.
01:18:48.960
I'm just trying to be, you know, maybe I'm a little more badger.
01:18:56.780
We got another question that came in from one of our listeners.
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Man, we had so many questions that came in for you.
01:19:01.220
So, we won't get to all of them, but some of them we do have here.
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I've got two questions for the wildlife control fellow.
01:19:16.140
The first one is, have you been on a call where somebody decided to keep a wild animal as a pet and then change their mind?
01:19:26.700
Something like a monkey or maybe something crazier?
01:19:33.340
My second question is, what are your thoughts on people keeping birds as pets?
01:19:46.880
My stepdad, his first wife, she was really, I don't know what was wrong with her, but she had countless birds and then he left her.
01:20:11.080
They're, she'll kill me if I say this wrong, Indian ringnecks.
01:20:23.440
We all discussed bringing, talked about bringing a pet, bringing something with me and said the hotel probably wouldn't like that.
01:20:30.920
And I asked my daughter, she said, only if I can come.
01:20:35.960
Well, maybe next time we'll have her coming too, man.
01:20:44.320
And so now do you rescue these out of people's homes?
01:20:49.720
Now we, she does have a, oh, she's got a couple of parakeets, different types of parakeets.
01:20:55.040
And we have a love bird, which came from an animal rescue.
01:20:58.100
It came from a, I don't know, it's a bird rescue.
01:21:13.380
I mean, there's all, there's animal rescues where parrots weren't taken care of.
01:21:17.300
You know, big mccall, you know, there's animals aren't, just like dogs and cats can get abused,
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where animals aren't taken care of, mistreated, and they've given up.
01:21:26.700
Anybody, you know, sometime you see, like, I know they had a cat show for a while out there near Fresno.
01:21:31.920
They got busted and they shut down and had a disc band and get rid of a lot of the cats.
01:21:36.440
And a lot of the, you know, there's people you see, I know you mentioned earlier, they got squirrels.
01:21:40.220
I remember out at, I don't know if it was Dollywood or someplace in Arkansas,
01:21:44.640
they used to have that little, you know, the squirrel on the water skis,
01:21:47.880
a little deal they put out there at recess or whatever, lunch, you know.
01:21:51.580
And you could throw a little barbecue chips at them or whatever.
01:21:53.900
But have you had any animals that have, have you had any shows that have shut down in your area?
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Any magicians and you had to go rescue the dove or anything like that or reach into a hat?
01:22:04.080
You know, like, anything you've had to do, like, were the performance animals?
01:22:11.400
And they were obviously domesticated rats that somebody had let go.
01:22:14.980
And there's quite a few of them in this kind of neighborhood, but they were coming to one house.
01:22:19.780
And, I mean, I caught all them just like I do any other rats, but they were all white.
01:22:25.500
They were a domesticated rat that somebody couldn't care for and they just released it.
01:22:30.060
But you don't know if they were in shows or anything?
01:22:36.080
I've never had to get anything that somebody had in a show or something that was released.
01:22:41.820
Now, I think in Ohio a couple years ago a guy let something – don't know what he was unhappy about,
01:22:48.880
but he had a lot of exotic cats and he let them all – everything go.
01:22:51.880
And I think they ended up having to euthanize most of them.
01:22:54.120
They were just – you know, you let a cougar go or a lion, you can't – you know, they're going to get somebody
01:23:03.300
But that was somebody that just let pets go that they shouldn't have had to start with.
01:23:10.740
I mean, what's that like when you get some of these big cat calls?
01:23:19.580
Oh, they're out of all the – and back goes into the trapping part of it.
01:23:24.420
The – I catch a coyote, they try to get away from you.
01:23:28.720
I mean, if they're caught, they're going to be as far – if there's a – if it's a –
01:23:33.760
if they have three foot of chain or cable attached to that trap or a snare,
01:23:38.320
they're going to be as far away as they can get from you.
01:23:45.920
Here's a question right here that came in about one.
01:23:49.000
Oh, there's a video of you right here dealing with one.
01:24:00.740
And is it chained down to the ground right now?
01:24:12.580
They are on the euthanasia list in the nuisance part.
01:24:22.320
And I'll release all them when possible because they just don't see as many of them.
01:24:28.860
And so, I let him loose and bam, he's off to live another day.
01:24:34.440
There was a girl – I ran into a girl a couple of months ago in Los Angeles, and she had a fox fur coat.
01:24:45.040
You know, I touched it, and I felt like – I said, I don't know.
01:24:48.260
I felt some fake stuff before, and it felt like real stuff.
01:24:52.160
So, she admitted to me secretly she'd been doing drugs, but she told me secretly that it was real.
01:24:58.520
I mean, there's a lot – the fur industry is really gone.
01:25:00.660
You'll see more actors, singers, sporting fur, sporting bobcat.
01:25:07.780
I have several bobcats that I've held on to that I want to have made into a vest or a coat.
01:25:14.000
And I have some black coyotes that I've trapped over the years.
01:25:19.100
And I want to have kind of like a black coyote, backing, and bobcat front.
01:25:24.660
I'd buy something like that from you if you ever made one.
01:25:26.000
I mean, it's – I mean, you can – I mean, the fur coat, like the bobcats I sell,
01:25:30.180
all the fur goes to – for the fur industry, most of it ships to like China and Russia
01:25:35.480
for, you know, liners for fur coats or jackets.
01:25:39.380
But like the bobcats, there's a guy that used to buy mine in Lexington, Kentucky,
01:25:43.480
that makes custom furs, coats and stuff, and he buys the bobcats for that.
01:25:49.240
I don't know if it's secretly still a pretty big business or not, you know?
01:25:53.520
I mean, it's – I mean, a lot of people are down on it.
01:26:08.840
You know, it does do more – the more they fight, the more they might hurt themselves.
01:26:13.100
But I've actually got in places to trap before – farms to trap in the winter
01:26:20.360
And just usually like a number two when it's not real hard, powerful.
01:26:24.080
It don't break the bones, break the – it don't feel good.
01:26:27.200
But that lets somebody know, okay, well, if a dog does get caught in,
01:26:32.320
And if I'm willing to stick my hand in it, they're willing to let me track
01:26:35.720
because they don't fear, well, if the cat gets it, it's not going to kill the cat.
01:26:38.940
It just won't like it very well, but it'll be able to be released unharmed.
01:26:41.920
I mean, it's kind of strange that, you know, I do that, but some people do that.
01:26:45.880
You do – trapping is getting harder and harder to find places to trap.
01:26:49.820
Well, it's weird that we're part of nature, but we sometimes act like we're this –
01:26:55.920
but we're this more conscious part of nature, I guess.
01:27:00.240
Because it's not like you probably have some raccoons that won't come in
01:27:05.200
and kill the babies to get the mother to go back in.
01:27:08.840
It's not like you don't have these other dirty parts of nature that run its course.
01:27:14.040
You know, I have a friend who does some big game hunting,
01:27:16.880
and he talks about how a lot of times the conservation,
01:27:23.800
you have to pay like half a million dollars to do it.
01:27:26.760
And the money you pay, it's usually a sick animal that you're killing
01:27:31.320
or an old animal that's not procreating or anything anymore.
01:27:36.160
And so the money you're going to pay is going to take care of 500 other animals.
01:27:41.780
You know, like it's just interesting sometimes like how one news article,
01:27:47.920
you know, sometimes just won't give you all the facts,
01:27:50.560
so at least you can make, have a little bit more information.
01:27:54.360
And a lot, they'll feed, like they'll take that animal too,
01:28:00.900
they might get some part of the animal taxidermied
01:28:03.140
or get a photo or something like that for their relic.
01:28:08.720
that the food from that could feed the entire village.
01:28:11.020
And also, but the money for the conservation group is going to,
01:28:15.520
it's going to bring, it's going to help so many more animals live.
01:28:21.220
I mean, the hunters have been, that money goes for the preservation,
01:28:41.940
He, him and his wife had run a diamond mine or mine.
01:28:47.820
And they, or hell, maybe it was a damn diamond mine.
01:28:54.120
But they had run something where they had made a ton of money,
01:29:00.760
I mean, and this dude took us in a helicopter over there
01:29:02.620
and I actually ended up hooking up with his girlfriend one time.
01:29:06.900
But, but anyway, this man took us over to their nature preserve
01:29:10.120
and, and he took us around to, I mean, the biggest animals.
01:29:15.380
I don't remember what he had, but I mean, he had tris, uh, rhinoceros,
01:29:25.300
I mean, his yard, I'll admit was probably 50,000 acres or something,
01:29:32.840
The two rhinoceros we'd seen, somebody broken in
01:29:42.220
And he said, poachers had gotten in and gotten them.
01:29:47.860
just to sell that little bit of ivory off of them.
01:29:55.260
It's like this part of nature is going to happen.
01:30:21.160
And over the course of the four-month trapping season.
01:30:23.220
You know, think how many coyotes I took out of the population.
01:30:27.240
All those females, which over half of them were females,
01:30:42.480
Sheep is just a damn fucking throw pillow full of dinner, dog.
01:30:49.720
You know, everything's got to be kept in check,
01:31:02.180
That's what makes your insurance cost so much now
01:31:08.480
I mean, I've got friends that have hit 10 different deer
01:31:13.660
and if we didn't have these seasons to keep them in check,
01:31:16.380
there'd be just that much more of them on the roads,
01:31:25.240
Like the groundhogs are starting to make a comeback.
01:31:39.120
and then the groundhogs are going to get overpopulated.
01:31:44.900
Everything's got a little spot in that food chain.
01:31:51.600
Mother Nature does it herself with disease and stuff.
01:31:54.480
You know, we're just giving her a little helping hand.
01:31:59.100
Like you're saying, if you don't take those coyotes out,
01:32:11.420
How many more different circles will they mess up?
01:33:06.440
And bam, you know, coyotes are starting to come
01:33:33.220
Do you feel sometimes like we're kind of ruining the world
01:33:36.240
and that it's like kind of a bummer that we're in it?
01:34:54.060
I mean, they can inflict a pretty good bite on you.
01:43:06.040
You go up late model or modified or sport model
01:44:31.980
Everybody gets to say there's $15 in the feature,
01:44:57.620
I think they're paying out this year $800 for first.
01:45:28.560
I mean, sometimes you might be out there 20 minutes.
01:45:30.880
But there's no pit stops or anything like that.