E353 Shane Gillis
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 53 minutes
Words per Minute
197.71443
Summary
Shane Gillis is a stand-up comedian and co-host of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast with his partner, Matt McCusker. They talk about how they met, what it's like to be a comedian, and how to deal with cancel culture.
Transcript
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Today's episode is brought to you by Liquid Death.
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He was semi-recently affected by cancel culture
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He is a co-host of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
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I think I was just trying to think earlier about how I'm feeling.
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it's like I have to think about how I'm feeling.
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It's like I think some people are just feeling, you know?
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People are like, why are you at this animal shelter?
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I just, I don't even know them, but I miss them.
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I was a little, I was a little, like, I couldn't figure them out at first.
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There's certain states where, like, Austin or Nashville or, like, Richmond was like that,
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where it's like, aren't you guys supposed to be, like, fucking Hicks?
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And then they're, like, ultra liberal or, like, not ultra liberal, but they're like, no, we're
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You know, I do think it's funny to find, like, a real country audience.
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Like, my audience isn't, like, a real country audience.
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Do you, I was trying to gauge it from the stage last night.
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Because you don't know a man, you really don't know a community, you walk into, like,
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So you've walked seven minutes in his audience.
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I don't really have, it's new, the audience thing.
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Yeah, you had, there was one girl there who was, like, I felt like she was not even looking
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She was kind of looking the other, like, she was kind of sitting to the side.
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Every once in a while I'd look at her and be like, what the fuck?
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And even Ari, because Ari Maness was there, and he went up before.
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Yeah, kind of like a, more of like a Rodin painting.
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But, yeah, that was, I was like, okay, these are Shane's bad girls out here.
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Yeah, you think I got the, yeah, she almost had a goth appearance.
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Who is also apparently a good artist out of somewhere, I think.
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Dude, I used to go, when I was in school, some type of school,
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I would go to the library and look at all of the,
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that was all my pornography, that's what I would look at.
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I remember going in there, and I would get erect,
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and then I would put my erection into the book,
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where, in the library, right, like up near the shelves,
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So you were like tributing Renaissance paintings.
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I mean, I was into, like, and I remember I'd go to the certain section
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I went through this whole little deal to do that.
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You were sticking a book, a dick in books and smashing it?
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I'm not saying the book was asking for it, but I am saying, yes.
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I would just, like, the book was willing to be a part of it.
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I think it was just, like, I think I just wanted to,
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I don't know if I wanted to meet a woman from the past
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or if I was just, that's how I could see pornography.
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You wanted a woman from the past, you think, maybe?
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I'm just trying to think of why would I have done that.
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Because it feels good to smash your dick into the things.
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It would be, like, a skinless woman, and I'd be, like, nice.
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You remember how hot, like, disgusting teachers were to you?
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But she must have been, she literally must have been 65, 70 years old.
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But we were all, like, dude, what would you give to just titty fuck this lady?
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She was the lady who broke the news to me about 9-11.
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I couldn't, I remember when I was young, if a teacher was hot,
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I couldn't even hear them when they were talking to me.
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I think that's one of the reasons why I did, why I had trouble learning it
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sometimes in certain classes, because it's like once they opened,
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Yeah, you were in the library smashing your dick into books, dude.
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Somebody should have got a hold of you and stopped you.
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We kind of talked a little bit briefly about, oh, we had a question.
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My name's Joe, and I'm a big fan from little old England.
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Still seems to be okay with the younger woman and the older guy, but not so much the other
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That could be one of, that's somebody's school teacher.
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She's asking me about how I feel about older women.
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What, do you bring me down here to make me come, dude?
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You invite me over here, you put on some ASMR, give me fucking rock hard, give me some water?
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But no, we didn't bring you down here to get anything out of you, man.
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What if you just masturbated onto the mic and just left?
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A lot of people, when they see me, they want to learn about my sexuality.
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Because you have that politic, you look to me like a politician, I feel like.
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And so, everybody wants to know, you know, kind of what Bill Clinton's really into.
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So, I think you're the closest that I've ever gotten.
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I mean, height and style and like, kind of that.
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Like, sometimes when you're with like a young hot girl, you feel like, I, this is my job
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But when you get an old slut, a geezer slut, that's when you just let her fucking, oh, I've
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They really know how to pickle the onions, you know?
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She's fingering my taint to fire me up a little.
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And that's, yeah, that's our, uh, producer Riley.
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Now, he's never even masturbated in his life, which is true.
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He's a great, great guy, and I'm glad that he's here.
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It just kind of fell into conversation that, and, uh, are you doing okay, Riley?
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He's, he's part of a religious group, and they don't do it.
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He's with you, but you're more of a Hester Prynne type.
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I was a Catholic, and they would talk to you about coming.
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I had some priests ask me about, you, you grew up Catholic, right?
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Do you ever get any guys talking to you about cum?
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We had a professor, I guess, or, I think then it was just a teacher, you know?
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And he would, I remember he drew a picture of a wiener ejaculating on a chalkboard.
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And it was, he, like, kind of described, like, he told us what the feelings would be like.
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I remember he, I do remember it was one of those double chalkboards.
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I remember he would put the marker on the board and then walk it across the board.
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Willie, I think, Derek Usner was his name or something.
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Like, I don't, his words, like, I felt like his words were.
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The words couldn't even, some of the words, you just had to guess what they were.
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People thought he was, some people thought he was black.
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Well, you just couldn't understand what he was talking about.
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You know, it was just different times back then.
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But, yeah, I've never really had an experience, really, with an older woman.
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Dude, I remember one time this one girl was so hot.
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I felt like I was afraid to even go in the same room with her.
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So girls, yeah, I think with regular, like, you know, legally aged women, it can get a
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But, yeah, I guess if you have an older lady, you're kind of the little.
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Oh, dude, I'll pat him on the back hard enough.
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I don't want to say that kind of stuff in front of.
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Do you have a lot of sensations in your body, Riley?
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Do you have a lot of sensations in your body, Riley?
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You're like the Carl Malone of your own leader, bro.
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I mean, it'd be fun to experience it again for the first time.
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Some of my boys are like, you're trying not to jerk off?
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My friend Matt, who I do my podcast with, he's a big. . .
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But, yeah, I used to go into that library, and I liked it there.
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This is a reason we were able to get away with it.
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But, because the librarian was the largest woman in our town.
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Remember, that was the best thing with the library.
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It was like that Quiet Place movie or something.
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Or the best was when anybody got in trouble and you got to go, ooooh.
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My one friend used to, like, if you fucked with him at all, he would scream.
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Like, if you, like, grabbed him or something, he'd be like, Shane, get off for the last time.
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Like, he'd get you in trouble if you fucked up at all.
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Being a kid, and when somebody's getting in trouble, oh, man.
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Someone else is in trouble, so you can just be like, ooooh.
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And the teacher's got to be like, everybody's settled.
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I would, like, cry, because I'd get in trouble.
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I'd be like, yo, my dad's going to fuck me up for this.
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Now, he would never, like, actually fuck me up.
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And every time, I'd be like, dude, do you guys understand?
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They were like, yeah, maybe you should stop farting.
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Our principal, I remember, we could still get beaten at school.
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And I remember getting spanked by the man, Bill Brady.
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And I saw him at a funeral recently, and he seemed like a nice guy.
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I was actually kind of glad he was the guy that sang me up.
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At the time, I didn't know who he was as a kid.
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I didn't, you can't look in his eyes and get an idea of him.
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But as an adult, I was able to just look in his eyes like, oh, man, you're at the funeral.
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This was a, oh, this fellow that passed, though, he had, we'd been in a hot tub.
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I like how every one of your stories is like, yeah, I remember this as a kid.
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But he, we, the first time anybody ever ejaculated in our, we were at a party, and someone did
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So, this guy was erect under the water, and he was doing like a, remember Loch Ness Monster,
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He kept doing that a little bit, just Loch Ness and his wiener out the hot tub in the water.
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But at one point, he was, I guess, pleasuring himself.
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He leans up out of the water, starts spraying out.
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This other kid thought something was happening to him that was bad, grabbed his penis to stop
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And the other, the bigger kid ended up punching the kid, but the kid that grabbed him, the
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They say the kid who grabbed the penis and got punched.
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He grabbed the, he saw an ejaculating penis and went.
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Because he didn't know he thought something bad.
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Anyway, man, I didn't mean to get off into all that tangent.
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I know we talked about what it was like going on, Rogan, and just like the nervousness.
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I mean, I haven't been in there in a few years, so I didn't, I forgot about that
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Because the whole time, like I told you, I was hanging out with him during the week,
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And then you go in there, and it's like, oh, shit, I forgot that this is like, this
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Yeah, because I've been watching him and listening to him for years, and then you meet, and
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it's like, holy shit, he is exactly who you think he is, too.
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He's like a library with a bow and arrow, I feel like.
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The information and the ability to share it, and then, yeah, he's fascinating.
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And then you go in there, so what, I haven't been to the new studio.
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And there's just guys, there's like, it's just nice.
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Everybody's nice, everybody's happy, and you go in, and it's, yeah, that's it.
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Yeah, and you go in, and it's, but then I was up there, and I was like, oh, fuck, I'm
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Was there a back on the stool, do you remember?
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Yeah, you got to sit in like a, with nice posture.
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And I kind of look like a fucking, I look like an idiot, so I don't want to, a side
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angle of my slouched slug body while I'm talking to this guy.
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Well, you have longer torso, too, so you have more slouch.
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You're more of like a, you could have that kind of weeping willow vibe.
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Oh, dude, no, I have less posture, like my body style.
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So I could imagine if I had to manage an extra foot of fucking posture, dude, I would
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Bro, I literally, especially because the crowd's down.
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So I'm always, if you see a side shot of me doing stand-up, it looks fucking crazy.
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I bought one of those fucking things that, don't do this.
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Is there anything worse than Googling your own image?
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You guys are so, you, Chris D'Aliya, these tall guys, George Wallace.
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The tall guys that can like, hey, here's my arm, you know?
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There's some things about being a little guy that I think are nice.
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You're going to be like, yeah, I had him on the podcast last week.
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He's since passed away, but we were talking cum.
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And, again, he does three hours every fucking day.
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It's just like any conversation you'd have with anybody.
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But on the other side of the table, there's a dude that's like, this is it.
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I finally get to get my SNL story out to the whole public.
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I started telling it, and I was like, in my head.
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You know when you're doing stand-up and you're bombing?
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And while you're telling your shitty jokes, you're in your head like, what the fuck am I doing?
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You know, when you're thinking, you have a whole different conversation in your head.
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The least I can do is look decent if I'm not going to sound good.
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But he didn't know the other guy across the table was like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
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Did you write any words on your hand or anything?
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No, I looked like I was having a good time, but in my head, I was like, oh, no.
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That's not like probably a sociopath or something, you know?
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Especially going in as a comic that's under him.
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Like, I'm a newer comic, and I'm not going to say anything to him that he's going to be like, oh, wow, I never thought of it like that.
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You better never make me feel insecure again, dude, even though it had nothing to do with you.
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Maybe tell him next time that you felt nervous.
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And then last night you said that you and Lauren still keep in touch a little bit.
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Bro, I got fired from BJ's Pizza, dude, when I was a kid.
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We were doing like this under the dishwater contest, kind of me and this other guy, bro.
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Oh, you get physically, you get in the dishwasher.
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Bro, it was like the big, it was like the final one, and I got fucking, I got laid off
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after that, but I never talked to that guy again, Wayne that hired me there.
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I got fired from several jobs, several jobs, and I just never, I'm done.
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There was one, I worked at a nursery, it was like for plants.
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Not for kids, like plants, and one of the, I worked in the patio department, so I was
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like putting together, like, they just put me in a warehouse, and they were like, put
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I would literally build one bench and just lay on it the rest of the day, and they came
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back, they were like, you haven't made one thing.
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I was just laying on a bench, they're like, you know you're fired, right?
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Every day I would build one bench and lay on it.
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But, so then, what, but you and Lauren still keep in touch, though?
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He could have been the one that was like, get rid of him, you know?
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Did you feel like whenever, like, you, like, that you were going through that, there was
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nobody standing up for you, or did you feel like, did you have any thoughts like that?
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Well, I feel like most of my life, most of the show is about that, so it's like, but
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did you feel like, I mean, like, I just wonder what some of that was like, like, was there?
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There's, yeah, there's one thing that's very surreal.
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Even your story, listening to your story about going in there.
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Sitting in there, I'm, like, in the story, I'm like, oh my God.
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Yeah, when you're in the waiting room, like, because when you go audition, you're like,
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I was literally, I was going in there, like, probably not going to get this.
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I couldn't believe I was in this fucking building.
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And then, yeah, you walk in, you see that stage, you're like, holy shit, this is awesome.
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You do it on the, you audition on the main stage.
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But then when you get canceled nationally, it's a very, also, it's a lot smaller than
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Sorry to bring that up, but yeah, but he was on there.
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Did you ever feel like you were a patsy, like it was a setup?
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We could easily say, hey, let's bring in a gentleman, a good gentleman.
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Just from the way everybody talked leading up to it, before the cancel.
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Like they weren't, they knew I wasn't like a conservative guy.
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But they weren't like, oh, let's get this guy because he likes Trump.
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I literally auditioned with a joke about Trump dying.
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Looking back, do you feel like there was anything you could have done different?
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Or was this, this was the way that this was going to work out no matter what?
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I mean, I definitely wouldn't have changed what we did, our podcast, you know?
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It's like, yeah, that was just the way, there was no other way it probably could have gone.
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I would be less funny if I was like pandering to try to be an improv SNL guy, you know?
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That's a tough, that's a hard gig to be that guy.
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And Leslie Jones, I like watching on there because at least she has her own charisma.
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I'm talking about the people trying to get on there.
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Like the improv world and the alt comedy world, they're kind of like, I don't know.
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Just going on stage and being meta every time about comedy.
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When they do stand-up where they're like, isn't stand-up comedy stupid?
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And I hope I'm not bringing up any bad feelings.
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Thanks for being willing to talk about it, man.
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Yeah, I don't have any experiences like that except for experiences of learning that I felt
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like Hollywood, a lot of the stuff in there wasn't, didn't fit me.
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That's the only thing I've learned over the years, like going to auditions and like trying
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to be like, oh, I'm just a good guy that could be there next door if you need something,
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you know, for years driving over and doing that and walking in and knowing in my gut the
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That was the nice thing was when I got canceled was no more auditions.
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When you got to submit a fucking self-tape of you reading lines and then just know they're
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floating around somewhere like somebody's going to get a hold of one, it's going to
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And you know there's some perv out there and you know this.
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It was a they had to do you had to do a Shirley Temple thing.
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And I remember mailing that off to somebody, emailing that video off to somebody, me singing
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They sent you the lines and I never knew what it was for.
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It was a lifelong cigarette smoker, but avoided displaying her habit in public.
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She didn't want to say a bad example, but she smoked until.
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They should put her on a Marlboro box or something.
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One of my friends said yesterday he wished he could go back in time so he could beat his wife, right?
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And I thought that was the most insane thing I'd ever heard, eh?
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But, yeah, the things that women went through in the past, I cannot even fathom.
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In the 70s, you could just drive up and pick a woman up.
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Yeah, you could just take her out to the woods and beat her.
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He's going to friggin' spray beef jerky out of his body at this point, dude.
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Those Shirley Temples got you fired up a little.
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And he'll be spraying Orange Julius in his joint, dude.
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But, yeah, man, thanks so much for letting me get up on your show.
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We were talking about, I was hired and fired by Saturday Night Live, and I got canceled.
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And it doesn't feel good when you get canceled.
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Was the scary part about, what about the articles and then suddenly your name is out there in such a way?
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And then all of a sudden it was like, you're getting, I was, that was what fucked me up, was like the comments.
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Like, I'll be like, all right, it doesn't bother me at all.
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And then every once in a while somebody will get a fucking dagger on me.
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But I would read like articles and stuff and I, I would have like dreams.
00:39:38.480
I was having like nightmares about like articles and comments and all that shit.
00:39:46.080
Which is so crazy to see your name that it's like, it's so much bigger.
00:39:55.000
And it was all, it was, it was funny sometimes.
00:40:05.160
And then there'd be an article that's like, Judd Apatow's gayer than ISIS.
00:40:10.960
But you know, I feel bad that shouldn't have, you know, sucks that he's got to see that.
00:40:18.060
I don't think, he had, he didn't care, obviously.
00:40:36.940
I feel like, do you feel like we've said anything cancelable?
00:40:39.780
That's a good thing about you is, it's like I can ask you.
00:40:48.760
We were getting close with the picking up women and beating them to death.
00:40:56.540
You said you could just go around and pick them up.
00:40:58.680
And that you wished you had lived back then so that you could drive around and abduct women.
00:41:09.240
I could have said it, but I've been watching these Ted Bundy things at night and looking
00:41:38.060
I'm out here in beautiful Philadelphia, cutting lawns and hedging bushes today.
00:41:51.500
So my question today for Shane is, I know you came up in Philadelphia, so I wanted to know,
00:42:01.780
I wanted to know, how many beers does it take you to get incoherently drunk?
00:42:08.120
It seems to me, every time I go out, I tell myself I'm going to take it easy, but I overdo
00:42:15.480
So yeah, my question, when you're sucking down those BLs, those Bud Lights, how long does
00:42:20.620
it take you, and how many does it take you before you're not able to talk?
00:42:32.640
It usually, last night I got pretty drunk on Bud Lights.
00:42:41.860
You're like, man, good luck on the special taping.
00:42:44.140
I'm like, I'm going to see you tomorrow morning.
00:43:10.800
I'll feel bad about it, I'm sure, later on in the day.
00:43:33.660
And this is over the course of like 7 o'clock show, we're out till 3 a.m.
00:43:42.960
Do you, can you still be sexually active at a certain number of beers?
00:43:54.360
I'm like, I'm not going to be able to get hard.
00:44:20.080
And he had this lady who was kind of older than him, okay, sitting outside.
00:44:25.320
And he's just literally, he would drink a beer in one sip, bro.
00:44:38.060
Yeah, I thought it was Mark McGuire doing it for like an hour, right?
00:44:44.240
He answered all the questions I had about Mark McGuire, about him.
00:44:47.460
Oh, you were like, man, it wasn't like hitting all those home runs.
00:44:49.480
He was probably like, this guy doesn't know what a touchdown is.
00:44:54.500
But he said, yeah, he had this lady who liked to eat his butt that was with him
00:45:04.080
I don't really get into a lot of stuff like that, man.
00:45:11.960
I mean, I would be, it would take, I'd have to be at like a, I'd have to be at like a
00:45:18.600
Some type of vacation or like a rehab facility.
00:45:27.340
That'd be a decent place to get it though if things are going bad.
00:45:30.400
Someone ends up eating your ass while you're like.
00:45:35.440
One of my friends who you know who's a big podcaster told me that he does it and he lays
00:46:00.500
When he said it and I think I was trying to be supportive and we were having lunch and
00:46:14.420
And I feel bad saying this in front of Riley over there.
00:46:33.360
But I feel like, do you feel like there is any positives from it over time?
00:46:53.660
Or like, not good, but this is a fucking freak.
00:47:01.200
But then it's in your head when it's happening.
00:47:03.540
Because you see people, like at any show, people talk to each other, like whisper at
00:47:07.160
the table, and they're like, are you fucking talking about me, motherfucker?
00:47:21.440
And then it's in like, you meet people that are all, you know, comedians in New York.
00:47:25.740
And I'm like, oh, this fucker hates me probably, or they probably talk shit or whatever.
00:47:38.760
It's weird how, it's like, yeah, do people even really care?
00:47:44.340
It's almost like a lot of the cancel stuff, it's not even a real thing.
00:47:53.500
I never once was confronted by one person that cared.
00:47:56.980
It was always just like, well, you should have been fired.
00:48:02.840
It's like this, it's like this invisible rule book.
00:48:06.500
Yes, and we're trying, like, right now, like with me trying to sell anything or like work
00:48:12.740
on anything, like a show or anything, people are very like, well, we like you, but, you
00:48:20.400
It's like, no one cares about, nobody's like, the reason we're not picking you up is because
00:48:26.000
They're just like, well, we don't want to get in trouble.
00:48:33.140
It's because every time, yeah, someone's like, ooh.
00:48:41.880
God, that, so do you, does that deter your, any of like your thoughts for future stuff?
00:48:47.820
I mean, I see you creating awesome stuff, dude.
00:48:50.160
The Trump speed dating thing was hilarious, bro.
00:48:55.660
And you have, I was so bummed because I'm like, damn, you have such a great look for
00:48:59.900
like being like a new, like Daryl Hammond or there's nobody on these shows that looks
00:49:04.600
like anybody that I've grew up with or something.
00:49:11.200
Yeah, there's definitely like, especially nowadays, you can just make your own thing.
00:49:16.340
You know, so it's not, and also there's what, like, I don't, do I want to be on a fucking
00:49:27.140
Some of those days are kind of over for a lot of comedians.
00:49:39.800
But I wonder if it would suck to be on a sitcom.
00:49:48.260
Having to work, even when we're filming our own stuff, is like, this is hard.
00:49:58.540
You just got to go sit in your trailer and it sounds like it's all going to be nice
00:50:01.940
I think aesthetically or aesthetically, it looks nice to people like on Instagram.
00:50:17.420
It's not like, obviously, we're not comparing it to fucking roofing.
00:50:24.220
After the first hour of being on set on anything, you're like, fuck.
00:50:41.240
You're just standing somewhere eating peanuts and eating M&Ms.
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You're getting mic'd up saying all types of wild shit.
00:50:47.840
Talking shit on the sound guy who's literally just listening.
00:50:56.880
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We got a question that came in right here from some young gentleman right here.
00:54:16.800
And my question for Shane is, what advice would you give to an aspiring young comedian
00:54:23.280
who has no life skills and delivers pizza for a living?
00:54:46.220
Yeah, that's shaped like an illegal symbol from Germany.
00:55:07.560
And the irony is it's made out of pork, isn't it?
00:55:27.880
One dude was like, I can't wait for him to pull this out of the oven and see that I ruined it.
00:55:32.280
And the other guy just must have pulled it out, not even fucking looked at it, thrown it in a box, shipped it.
00:55:37.780
And then the other guy's sitting there like, yo, what'd you do with that pizza?
00:56:09.740
If I got home, opened a pizza, I'd be like, holy shit, dude.
00:56:13.300
The dudes in Little Caesars are fucking wild now.
00:56:26.000
Would they just put two random people in there?
00:56:36.200
How cancelable are we now that we're talking about this?
00:56:38.240
Little Caesars says we're deeply disappointed by the actions.
00:56:59.200
Oh, I love people that are named after kind of like weather, like kind of light climate conditions.
00:57:09.160
So my husband stopped at Little Caesars name dropping for a quick bite.
00:57:20.840
These aren't funny jokes and shouldn't be made.
00:58:00.120
If you wanted to be hateful, you have to be creative.
00:58:03.000
But I think, yeah, you've got to do something that's out of the box.
00:58:11.900
I think if you're going to go from having no...
00:58:21.080
That is a chance he does toss a fucking symbol on a pizza.
00:58:26.660
Well, what I would do now is do something in the other direction.
00:58:31.160
You know, I think you need to do like a mason if they have a symbol.
00:58:36.260
You could do a Star David and send it to the people that got the Nazi pizza and make it up to them.
00:58:52.240
Like I remember when we were kids on a school bus, we drew swastikas on some kid named Scotty's T-shirt.
00:59:00.100
We didn't even know what the symbol meant or anything.
00:59:02.340
We'd seen it on like pamphlets or whatever around town.
00:59:11.600
And so like it always had it on there a little bit.
00:59:15.500
I drew a swastikas on my friend's forehead once.
00:59:31.080
You got to do something that's going to get you...
00:59:37.000
And then suddenly people know your name at least.
00:59:40.620
Is it weird when you see SNL people around New York City?
00:59:48.840
Did you ask any of them to put in a word for you?
01:00:03.300
While it happened, I was like, oh, I'm fired for sure.
01:00:09.760
Because if they were mad about that, there's...
01:00:26.960
But under the rules, today's rules, yeah, you have to.
01:00:43.240
I would have to argue like we need to change the rules.
01:00:47.980
If that makes sense, I don't know if I'm explaining that correctly.
01:01:00.860
Well, it's so interesting when you take a stand up from what's okay to be on stage.
01:01:14.000
Do you feel like you were a good fit for the show?
01:01:21.480
I mean, we made sketches and I did okay in those.
01:01:25.740
And I think Lauren saw that and he was like, I think he could be good.
01:01:42.760
Truly, I never thought I'd get SNL or wanted it.
01:01:46.080
So it wasn't like, oh, my dreams are destroyed.
01:01:57.720
Here's a picture of you on stage with some other comedians.
01:02:10.880
Did they do like a special thing for you back at the cellar or something when they got back?
01:02:30.840
Was there anybody that reached out to you kind of that you were surprised by that was like
01:02:51.360
He's another guy that's exactly who you think he is, you know?
01:03:08.380
Like, I'd get off there, I'd be like, holy shit, that's like top five for me, favorite
01:03:14.560
I was just walking around my backyard talking to them.
01:03:17.340
And then I'd come back inside of my shitty apartment with my roommates, with my 35-year-old
01:03:24.040
And I'd sit back down and turn the news on and it's like, piece of shit, Shane Gillis
01:03:33.060
So it was kind of like, I didn't even have time to be, like, sad.
01:03:37.300
It was just very stressful and, like, kind of funny when I was just with my friends.
01:03:43.380
Like, because they would just keep quoting and they kept trying to get us in more trouble
01:03:50.400
And every once in a while they would miss and they wouldn't be offensive and it would
01:03:58.200
He called civil women who fought in the Civil War secretly, flat-chested bitches.
01:04:06.540
And people were like, this is pretty funny stuff.
01:04:12.960
Yeah, the New York, it made me hate the fuck, I hate journalists, dude.
01:04:25.740
I get it if you're doing it for, like, the greater good, if you're trying to, like-
01:04:33.980
It's like, yeah, are we aiming to do all this stuff because we really, like, 50 years
01:04:38.280
from now, you want everybody to not have any judgments on each other or look at each
01:04:45.180
Because the sacrifice to that, in the meantime, is humor a lot of times.
01:04:50.360
Like, I always- The thing that was always funniest to me was telling a humor or doing
01:04:57.420
a humor when you- Right when it's not supposed to be done.
01:05:12.920
And they are probably legends amongst their friends.
01:05:15.920
They are probably, truthfully, and look, never put a swastika on a pizza.
01:05:39.820
If they were real Nazis, they're not putting swastikas on pizzas.
01:05:44.040
They understand how wildly funny it is for somebody to open a pizza box.
01:05:53.580
And they're willing to risk their careers, dude.
01:05:58.820
The word careers is also a unique word in there.
01:06:06.080
They're like, yo, I'm risking my Little Caesars job.
01:06:12.500
It's basically like German roulette is what it is a little bit.
01:06:21.820
But just when they got home and seeing that tweet that that lady, that Misty said or whatever her name was.
01:06:36.360
I wonder if they tried to blame it on the delivery, dude.
01:06:39.500
I'd be fucking scrambling to blame it on anybody.
01:06:42.840
They probably had to interrogate them separate.
01:06:46.980
My boy would never snitch on the swastika pizza, dude.
01:06:58.600
I'm going to reserve some judgment until I say, what if they're black?
01:07:05.380
And it was, what if they're the owners of the place?
01:07:14.940
I think a lot of us don't realize the way that publicity is used a lot of times.
01:07:26.160
That was the first time people were talking about them.
01:07:30.520
Yeah, I couldn't really name a sketch outside of that Pete Davidson Chad one
01:07:35.320
that even has been going on in the past few years.
01:07:40.600
I'm a fan of some of the people I know that are on it that are really cool people.
01:07:47.520
Like, SNL is designed for, like, high schoolers.
01:07:54.480
That's why everybody's always like, it was great when I was in high school.
01:08:00.300
I guess the thing that's interesting, I guess, but you see guys like Spade
01:08:10.900
You look at it and you're like, man, these guys are still funny.
01:08:16.200
And their level of humor and their ability to be funny in the spot is so much,
01:08:20.700
I feel like, better than the ability of a lot of people I know or myself or
01:08:26.680
It's just like, I don't know if humor was just different then or if, I don't
01:08:39.500
I bet if you went to a comedy club in 95, well, definitely not saw rock.
01:08:56.780
I think I've looked into this and actually talked about this before.
01:09:26.840
You give it to some dude who's stoned the spot.
01:09:34.640
We'd give him a drug, and then he had to go deliver him.
01:09:39.200
Sometimes he would find him just in his car somewhere.
01:09:42.800
We had a boy again Christian fellow that would go deliver for a while, and we would make orders
01:10:00.460
So we'd write like, Danny Glover, and he'd go drive 40 miles middle of nowhere to deliver
01:10:07.880
We would just make it up and send this guy out.
01:10:23.880
I had one question for Shane today, and it is, when is that special going to be dropping?
01:10:42.200
It'll probably just be on YouTube, and it'll probably be like the first week of like September.
01:10:58.940
Like sitting down to have to watch it and try to like, they're like, what joke do you want
01:11:08.960
Were you worried about what you would wear on it?
01:11:14.360
So, it wasn't that complicated, but I did like spaz and get a fucking haircut like right
01:11:19.720
Like right before it, I got a fucking bad haircut.
01:11:33.340
I went to like a fucking, I went to a Dominican barbershop in Queens the day before I filmed
01:11:39.840
and got like a tight, skin tight fade on the sides.
01:11:57.120
I just realized you look like Adolf Hitler a little bit.
01:12:22.000
Dude, last night, you said one of my, I was thinking about it all day.
01:12:26.620
You were like, we were talking about the Holocaust again for some reason.
01:12:30.300
We were a little bit, but we were talking about, oh, because we were talking about Hebrews.
01:12:37.620
We were just discussing how, and then you made a joke.
01:12:45.400
If you feel bad that I'm exposing a funny joke you made.
01:12:48.280
About, you're like, you'd think there'd be more, there's incest in the Jewish community.
01:12:54.100
And you're like, I think you were like, yeah, because of the Holocaust.
01:13:04.240
And then you were like, Hitler, how far did Hitler live from the Holocaust?
01:13:15.220
Thinking of him, you think Hitler commuted to the Holocaust?
01:13:26.380
I was like, all right, things are, this is good.
01:13:32.700
Because I grew up in an area of a lot of incest.
01:13:34.540
And so, when you're around incest, you learn about other incest.
01:13:37.200
You know, you kind of, you know, water seeks its own or whatever.
01:13:41.240
But, so, Ari Manis, who's my opener, who's Jewish, is always.
01:13:47.820
Yeah, he told me that a lot of incest in the Jewish communities because.
01:13:52.980
He said there's a lot of incest in the Jewish community.
01:13:55.780
So, I always thought that it was because, yeah, like the Holocaust people are stuck together.
01:14:03.740
You know, which is the same reason that they had incest in our community growing up.
01:14:10.760
Yeah, people don't want to go that far to have sex.
01:14:17.940
But, I think the Holocaust was maybe in the ghettos before.
01:14:22.300
But, the Holocaust, I think they separated men and women.
01:14:34.120
Just saying the Holocaust is a place is very funny.
01:15:13.420
And I, I just, that, that's something that I thought I didn't know.
01:15:17.020
There's nothing wrong with not knowing something.
01:15:27.460
Like, I always thought maybe he lived, like, out front or something, I guess.
01:15:32.300
I guess I equate it to, like, slavery or something.
01:15:38.560
And then, I think in my head, I'm thinking, oh, well, the slave owner probably lived on the edge
01:15:45.460
In that case, the comparison would be, like, an SS guard.
01:15:53.200
An SS guard would be, like, a plantation owner.
01:15:55.620
But the president, he wasn't, like, coming down to plantations and being, like, my plan's working.
01:16:18.600
This is crazy when you put your mind to something.
01:16:32.700
Like, every once in a while, he's got to just take a step back and be like, we did it.
01:16:46.440
Hitler just, when he killed himself, he killed himself in a bunker.
01:16:58.720
He was like, you're not going to get me, pussies.
01:17:15.160
Yeah, but in his defense, yeah, he was definitely going to get fucking...
01:17:27.100
Isn't it crazy how nobody knew kind of what was going on for so long?
01:17:42.680
Like, that Elizabeth Smart girl was locked up for like six...
01:17:49.140
And they had those people for eight years in Cleveland in the basement.
01:17:53.420
But I guess you just don't know what your neighbors are doing.
01:18:07.480
Mark Norman's had a great success with his special on YouTube.
01:18:20.820
Will you put it out in a full segment or clips?
01:18:25.260
You gotta put the whole thing out and then you put clips and all that.
01:18:28.440
Which, you know, it sucks to have to play the internet thing, that game.
01:18:31.680
I'd much rather have like an HBO or a Netflix make it and that's it.
01:18:42.060
I talk to Andrew Schultz a lot about it because he does it.
01:18:45.840
If you're doing it on your own, like this is what he would say.
01:18:48.280
If you're doing it on your own, you have to be your own marketer.
01:19:00.620
But I think if you just put it out there, a lot of people will find it.
01:19:06.260
I'm talking about marketing it to be like, hey, here's crazy captions on the bottom of
01:19:12.800
And you gotta do thumbnails and you gotta have titles that are like white guy slams Indian.
01:19:23.960
You'd be surprised how many people hate doing it themselves.
01:19:32.300
But some of the times the material can just stand on its own and you don't need like the
01:19:38.040
You have to get the wording or something to get people to see it.
01:19:40.920
There's all those tricks that otherwise, if you were handled by a network, they would just handle
01:19:46.940
But if you're doing it yourself, unfortunately, you do have to play that type of game.
01:19:53.300
I heard that Mark Norman's was like the seventh most watched special.
01:20:10.320
But Norman put a YouTube special and it's number seven.
01:20:20.440
If it doesn't, you know, I'll just fucking kill myself.
01:20:36.840
The articles are probably like racist pizza man.
01:20:41.700
Who would have thought that that guy's idea, Adolf Hitler's, we're talking 19, after World
01:20:49.020
War I, he's fucking wounded, he's thinking, his idea would someday reach the whole way
01:20:55.860
to a Little Caesars in Ohio and just fuck someone's day up in 2021.
01:21:03.840
But this is one thing I think that's good about...
01:21:09.100
Just a guy in Austria gets denied from art school.
01:21:12.620
Somebody's getting a fucked up pizza in the future.
01:21:16.780
This is the interesting, it's just crazy about the world.
01:21:18.920
Like, you could be someone who could have the most negative or positive influence.
01:21:24.520
And 100 years later, 150 years later, the best you're going to be is a joke on a pizza.
01:21:31.360
It's like, um, also I think, it's also kind of cool to see the, that's where Nazis are
01:21:39.540
It's like, there's not, it's so, like, that's one thing I didn't like about the Charleston
01:21:43.220
thing, whenever those guys came out with those, uh, tiki torches, you know, and they're like,
01:21:48.240
It's like, if this is, if, if we're down to 60 people with tiki torches, then we're,
01:21:58.840
Like, at least you, like, it wasn't like there was like 30,000 people meet up.
01:22:04.460
If you look up how many dudes are like actually in the KKK.
01:22:19.340
And if we're down, yeah, it's like, sometimes it's like, you got to look at some things as
01:22:22.320
being, I feel like as, you have to look at the actual progress.
01:22:26.780
It's like, that's actual, like, if you compare to some of the pictures of like how many Nazis
01:22:30.700
they had 200,000 years, 200 years ago or 150 years ago.
01:22:36.700
They filled Madison Square Garden in like the 30s.
01:22:51.240
Oh, there's still approximately 3,000 nationwide, it said.
01:22:57.080
I mean, it is a small amount for a country, but 3,000 dudes are still like, yo, this shit
01:23:06.100
But I wonder if they're also just including fraternity kids that do that sign in the
01:23:10.060
thing and that they'll be like, oh, these guys are white supremacists.
01:23:12.900
I think that's probably estimated like 3,000 dudes that are like, no, I put on the hat.
01:23:24.660
I wonder how many, because the crazy thing about that, the crazy thing about the white
01:23:28.980
power sign is they took the OK sign, basically, and made that, said, oh, that means white
01:23:33.820
Well, I think, wasn't it a joke when they did that?
01:23:36.260
I think the guys who said that that was white power did it to make everybody follow through
01:23:44.580
I think there was like a 4chan thing or one of those guys type things, and they were
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like, it'll just make people look silly when they're like, actually, that's a secret white
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Or it's this game where you punch your friend in the arm.
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But then the crazy part is you look back through time.
01:24:08.660
So many pictures of people are like, OK, in the past, everything's OK.
01:24:17.880
Everybody's like, oh, look at this white supremacist.
01:24:30.840
Would you still submit a packet for SNL, do you think?
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They asked, I was asked to by my agents, and I was like, I'm not going to submit a packet.
01:24:55.540
I can't sit down and be a writer and then have somebody else go tell the jokes.
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I can't imagine writing a joke and then watching another guy get laughs.
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And some people do that, and they're totally happy doing it.
01:25:28.220
It's probably a healthy thing to be like, no, I don't care who gets the adoration.
01:25:35.900
If I wrote a joke and somebody else told it, I'd be like, fucking piece of shit.
01:25:45.880
I think, well, even the swastika pizza guy, it's like, I was trying to tell the guy you
01:25:49.560
have to do something, you have to put something on a pizza, and it's already been done.
01:25:54.440
So, you gotta, yeah, you just gotta think of something kind of creative, I think.
01:25:57.620
But, yeah, when, do you think that you were part of, like, you know, the Asian hate thing
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Do you feel like you had anything to do with that?
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But I was actually, yeah, now that you mention it, yes.
01:26:14.480
I was one of the first, I was definitely early in the Asian hate community.
01:26:19.960
Because after that, that's when it kind of took off, I feel like.
01:26:25.000
But it wasn't obviously, I mean, that's ridiculous.
01:26:39.220
So, yes, that definitely, and people are perfectly reasonable to see a headline that says, this
01:26:46.060
guy said this slur, and they're perfectly reasonable to be like, fuck that guy.
01:26:52.000
And I do the same thing, I don't read articles, I'll see a fucking headline, I'll be like,
01:26:59.600
Or there's no context, or who knows, how the fuck does the Washington Post report on a
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Or are they just like, this guy's getting fired for being racist?
01:27:17.380
The problem is, though, is when they write those articles, after what I've said, that
01:27:23.600
When they write an article that says a slur, like this guy used this slur, then normal people
01:27:28.880
who obviously would have never heard Matt and Shane's secret podcast are like, holy shit,
01:27:34.480
he said, like they're just, in the New York Times, it's like, here's the word that that
01:27:40.120
That would have never reached these people ever.
01:27:43.360
What percentage did your viewership go up after the article?
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Since the months after SNL, our listenership probably quadrupled.
01:27:57.540
Because then people heard about it and watched it.
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But it's not like, it's not like it's helping the podcast in that like racists are showing
01:28:11.780
No, it's like people that are like, oh, this, it sounds, you know, I was trying to figure
01:28:18.460
Turns out if they were putting out some more funny content, I'd probably, I'd probably
01:28:24.720
Once you're in the news, people are going to look at you and be like, all right, this
01:28:43.840
It's like, you don't, it's like the people who are judging, they don't care if it's a
01:28:54.760
I was just thinking, I was like, what's he got to lose?
01:29:02.380
But will we ever be able to put it out, you think?
01:29:17.200
If you were putting up like pictures of like, I don't know, horrible things and being like,
01:29:39.020
My anger is always usually just inside of myself.
01:29:41.680
It doesn't have anything to do with the people outside of me.
01:29:43.980
So sometimes I interact with the world angrily.
01:29:47.780
But it's just the way I interact with everything.
01:29:54.320
I just am, I think with work and stuff, sometimes I get kind of demanding, I think.
01:30:14.200
Not that tall, but kind of normal heighted, I guess.
01:30:27.380
Yeah, I keep waking up, because the girl I've been seeing, she screams in the middle of
01:30:36.240
Like every other night, she's like, ah, ah, ah, at like three in the morning.
01:30:41.140
And every time, I'm like, if I'm waking up, if you're waking up scared, you're going
01:30:47.980
Like every time I wake up, I'm like, what the fuck?
01:31:10.540
And then she wakes up to me just every night screaming at her, because she's asleep when
01:31:15.880
So she's coming out of this sleepwalking to me, like, go to sleep.
01:31:22.240
So every night, she wakes up at four in the morning to me, like, sitting up in the bed,
01:31:31.000
It's a real terrifying, terrifying relationship.
01:31:35.480
So the other night, I woke up and she was standing in my room naked.
01:31:48.760
Like, if she walks through that fucking door, I'm, this is terrifying, dude.
01:31:53.360
Dude, she got you right where she wants you, dude.
01:32:01.580
Oh, sleep paralysis is insane, but I fucking love it, dude.
01:32:04.540
Oh, I've only had it once, and it was, it was, uh, the worst possible one.
01:32:09.640
It was a demon standing at the, that's what I'm, she reminds me of.
01:32:14.100
Nothing's scarier than, like, a naked person in the dark.
01:32:34.640
This is, these images, so I didn't know what sleep paralysis was.
01:32:39.140
One night, I was going through a breakup, so I was very stressed out, and I went
01:32:42.840
to sleep in my parents' basement, and I woke up, and there was a, that exact figure standing
01:32:50.700
And then it walked around the side of my bed, like, reaching towards me, and it's so real.
01:32:55.040
I, like, it was so real that I thought it was an intruder.
01:33:04.140
They looked like the Slender Man, and they were, like, walking around the side of my bed
01:33:08.100
reaching towards my face, and then I woke up right when they got there, but I, like,
01:33:15.760
Even when I woke up, I was still, I got out of my bed and was hiding on the side of my
01:33:20.080
bed, and then tried to fight this fucking thing, and obviously it was gone.
01:33:24.100
But then, several months later, I was just looking at Wikipedia.
01:33:27.400
There's, like, lists of, like, creepy Wikipedia articles, which is a fun read.
01:33:32.300
And then, I saw sleep paralysis, so I clicked it, and the image was the image from my dream.
01:33:38.500
So, I saw something I saw in my dream on the internet months later.
01:33:53.600
That's the one that makes me seem, this is, what is.
01:34:09.880
I feel like, yeah, I always feel like, oh, something's.
01:34:16.020
I feel like something's coming to get me, you know.
01:34:29.180
It's that guy with the bottom right, or now he's bottom left.
01:35:00.460
At the foot of my bed, except my guy had like a more white face.
01:35:06.400
So almost like a black guy and white face kind of?
01:35:13.260
What world are we in where a black guy is doing white face?
01:35:17.220
But Lester Holt, I feel like Lester Holt is secretly a white guy.
01:35:33.640
You're telling me that's not a white guy in black face or in Tanner?
01:35:53.700
Oh, there he is right there, that black and white.
01:36:05.220
Even that seems like a white guy in like a wig, kind of.
01:36:13.600
This, to be honest, this is, you are getting borderline.
01:36:28.280
I've just been, there's been a lot of discussion about this.
01:36:39.080
Now, that's, that's, I think you can take that shot publicly.
01:36:42.580
But here, it's going to be, in the future, everybody's going to be beige, and it's going
01:36:46.680
to be ridiculous we're all even arguing about race stuff.
01:36:52.820
It's funny for white people to say that, though.
01:36:54.660
To like, be the purveyors of racism for the longest time, and then towards the end be like,
01:37:05.260
It's like when a girl fights you, and then she's just like, she starts crying.
01:37:13.480
It's good for the honkies trying to hit the eject button.
01:37:19.360
Maybe I have such a white perspective sometimes.
01:37:26.820
It's easy to compare, like, racism and all that stuff to like, well, if you punched me,
01:37:32.720
But it's like, are we talking about our grandparents?
01:37:36.420
Like, that's where it gets murky, because it's like, well, I didn't do that.
01:37:40.780
And it's like, well, you're benefiting from it.
01:37:44.920
He's like, it's like when you walk in an elevator and somebody farted in there, but you didn't
01:37:54.720
But the smell is still there, but the effects of it are still around.
01:38:03.720
He used to be thicker than, he used to definitely, he would have been a hottie at spring break.
01:38:09.880
Trust me, as a big guy myself, I know what it's like, the fart, the fart blaming, it's
01:38:16.620
Oh, if you're a big guy, if somebody farted in this room, you guys would be like.
01:38:22.720
You're being a fat guy on a plane, you're getting hit with the looks.
01:38:34.520
I think it's also, it's grandparents a lot, too.
01:38:49.100
Shane, my question is, tell the story about how you made Dave Chappelle run.
01:38:52.900
I think you've only told it on, like, dad meet, and only took, like, two minutes.
01:38:56.160
Can I get a full, in-depth story about how you, and I think it was O'Connie's, made Chappelle
01:39:07.540
I made Chappelle laugh, and you're, like, jogged around a little.
01:39:11.440
Yeah, I don't want to brag about it, but yeah, all right, so it was after we got fired.
01:39:16.380
I, it was, like, a couple months later, I went to London.
01:39:19.480
Me and my friend went to London just to have a week off, like, chilling.
01:39:25.780
Someone from the cellar hooked it up for me to, oh, Cypher Sounds.
01:39:29.720
I hooked it up for me to go see the show, and then Chappelle knew that I was there, so he
01:39:36.800
He wanted to meet me, because he's interested in, like, the cancel culture stuff.
01:39:40.380
And we got to hang out, and it was just, he, like, cleared everybody out.
01:39:44.920
It was just me and my friend and Dave, me and O'Connor and Dave Chappelle just drinking
01:39:58.100
Every single thing that happened in, like, a four-month span, you know?
01:40:02.460
And I just told him a story about Louis C.K., because that was another guy I was, became
01:40:09.860
friends with, kind of, not friends, but, like, you know.
01:40:13.160
You just, you're in people's circles now, so you meet these people.
01:40:16.240
But I was just telling Chappelle a story about, because somebody was taking pictures of me
01:40:21.940
talking to Chappelle, and he was kind of like, let's not get some pictures with this guy right
01:40:34.700
I'm against cancel culture, but I'm not, I don't want to be into pictures like that.
01:40:37.520
Like that picture of, like, Rumsfeld with Saddam Hussein.
01:40:43.320
And then I told him a story about Louis coming into a, it was at the Patrice O'Neill benefit.
01:40:53.040
And like a photographer came over, and I like leaned to Louis, and I was like, you
01:40:58.020
I knew that's obviously a terrible photo for both of us.
01:41:06.600
And as soon as I told Chappelle that he was like, no.
01:41:15.020
Was there ever a comedian you heard laugh at your show that you were like, oh, that's awesome?
01:41:24.060
And I was just like, dude, this is, that was my guy.
01:41:33.720
A guy from here just went on the road and opened up with him for a while.
01:41:41.840
That's like that picture that we showed earlier.
01:41:43.680
That was, Chappelle followed, he went after me.
01:41:46.960
And he got on and was like, that was funny and brought me back up.
01:42:08.860
Especially when most people know you're joking that there's this, it's like tech is the new
01:42:16.280
Even the people writing the articles, they know it's a fucking joke.
01:42:19.520
They have a bigger agenda they're trying to push.
01:42:22.320
And they're pretending what you're saying is serious.
01:42:27.140
In fact, it kind of wouldn't be as funny if people weren't getting upset.
01:42:31.320
It's kind of, you know, if we were all like nice pizza, nice swastika on that pizza, dude.
01:42:37.840
Like if people thought that you and I actually hated Jewish people or were fans of Nazism because
01:42:45.960
Or if literally there would be zero blowback for going on a podcast and being like, here's
01:42:59.040
If those guys made that and sent that and everybody at Little Caesars and the people
01:43:08.800
The backlash on that one is that makes it funny.
01:43:14.980
I didn't know there were Nazis at Little Caesars.
01:43:21.100
People are like, I can't believe there's so many undercover Nazis at the comedy cellar.
01:43:26.460
Do you think there's Nazis at the comedy cellar?
01:43:29.000
That's the crazy thing is that some people think there really are.
01:43:31.800
It's like, I don't think there's one person that voted for a Republican.
01:44:01.760
Do you feel like it'll start to just suddenly, that's who you'll always be then?
01:44:07.740
I'm confident I'm good enough at stand-up that I'm not going to be a guy who got canceled.
01:44:10.900
Then if you know that about yourself, then you're going to be fine.
01:44:19.540
I never was like, this is going to, it'll always be part of my story.
01:44:23.260
That's how I was introduced into the comedy world.
01:44:28.560
Was there any Asian comedians that were supportive?
01:44:37.120
In fact, everybody was supportive behind the scenes.
01:44:42.200
So I'm sure there was a lot of them that weren't very supportive, that weren't just going to
01:44:46.120
Like I've had problems with people and I'm not going to walk up to them and be like, you
01:44:57.920
I mean, they, I think there were a lot of people that had conversations with people that knew
01:45:01.560
me, that actually knew me, that were like, oh, okay.
01:45:04.800
You know, like if you see a headline and you're like, oh shit, this guy said what?
01:45:08.600
And then you look at, or you call his friend and you're like, is he like a racist dude?
01:45:18.360
Because I read an article that said he was racist.
01:45:20.540
Well, it's weird because it makes it scary to talk about anything sometimes because you're
01:45:26.300
they could go back through anything and take out three or four words from so many things.
01:45:33.820
But not many dudes are getting, I don't know, SNL seems like one of the few jobs that they
01:45:40.560
Like, they're not going to go back and cancel guys just willy nilly.
01:45:45.320
They're not just going to, like, it's got to be a big, you know, if you're starring in
01:45:50.560
a movie, then people might be like, all right, let's take a look at them.
01:45:57.760
Well, Shane, man, thanks so much for having me on the show last night.
01:46:06.620
And, uh, yeah, wish you the best of luck and all of that kind of jazz.
01:46:12.140
Hopefully you don't get in trouble from this episode.
01:46:19.740
And I'll say this, when I got in trouble, when we would get done with an episode, I'd
01:46:26.640
So is it weird then that I feel that way sometimes right now?
01:46:29.220
It's never, it's never like, I've never gotten done with like an episode where we said edgy
01:46:35.700
Every time if I think it's close, I'm like, you should probably delete that, huh?
01:46:40.640
We never delete it, but it's always like, this one, no chance.
01:47:05.600
Well, not nice, but I'm saying I'm surprised you know about it.
01:47:08.400
Because sometimes when people don't know about it, particularly when they're Asian, I got
01:47:17.820
I'll get done with a show and there'll be Asian.
01:47:20.420
Obviously, there's Asian people that like comedy.
01:47:22.600
They come to shows and they're like, you were our favorite tonight.
01:47:32.840
You don't want to get hit with the fucking Google in front of you.
01:47:44.020
That was the wildest part was taking the train because I was poor when I got canceled.
01:47:51.960
And like, people would be on the train like reading the news.
01:47:57.540
So people would literally be like, like on the subway, like looking at me sitting there.
01:48:03.020
Like, did you try to look nicer when you were the news?
01:48:07.080
Honestly, you definitely act nicer to everyone around you when you're in trouble like that.
01:48:13.940
You want everyone to think like, he's a nice guy.
01:48:17.400
It's fucked up, but you definitely become a lot.
01:48:20.540
Now, maybe it's because you're not as stressed about minor things where you would have an ego
01:48:24.380
with somebody about like, did you just bump me or some bullshit like that.
01:48:28.820
When you're getting canceled, you're like, I love you.
01:48:33.120
It's like you want everyone to like you because you're getting destroyed publicly.
01:48:39.700
I wonder if that's why some comedians always want everybody.
01:48:42.960
I wonder if there's some correlation in there why a lot of comedians, that's why you want
01:48:46.880
everybody to like you because you feel like from the jump or something you've.
01:49:00.480
But yeah, when you, when you're getting in trouble, you're nice to everybody.
01:49:06.580
It's funny knowing that like Harvey Weinstein was probably nice as hell towards the end.
01:49:14.080
Like when the shit hit the fan, it was probably like.
01:49:15.700
He's probably buying everybody like Harry and David baskets.
01:49:24.120
The whole having to explain people what happened is a tough one.
01:49:28.780
Do you feel some type of way over there, Riley Mal?
01:49:34.360
Do you have any, do you feel anything about what Shane did?
01:49:55.480
What the fuck did you think that was going to be?
01:50:15.980
Bring me on and be like, we've actually brought in one of your victims.
01:50:23.000
It's like that show where you go sit with the murderer's family or whatever.
01:50:46.300
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
01:50:57.200
But it's going to take a little time for me to set that parking brake and let myself unwind.
01:51:36.160
And now I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my past.
01:51:44.220
And these rails that I've been riding on, they weren't so thin that they're damn near gone.
01:51:54.980
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01:52:12.860
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01:52:30.380
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01:52:36.200
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01:52:39.380
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