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00:01:57.680 Today's guest is a musician, an entertainer, and really just a smooth criminal, honestly.

00:02:08.220 He's one of the most infectious human beings that I've been around, and I'm grateful for

00:02:15.020 you guys to get to hear his story.

00:02:18.560 Today's guest is Jelly Roll.

00:02:20.760 I'll see you next time.

00:02:50.760 And now I've been moving way too fast.

00:02:55.100 Bender it is, baby.

00:02:58.360 The song, what is it?

00:03:00.120 You got...

00:03:00.580 Dead Man Walking.

00:03:01.880 It's the number five song on rock radio.

00:03:04.120 It's called Dead Man Walking.

00:03:05.240 It's fucking crazy.

00:03:06.180 I've never had a song on radio ever.

00:03:07.700 Gang, baby.

00:03:08.360 So, yeah, it's big shit, dude.

00:03:09.360 Is that crazy?

00:03:10.100 It's weird.

00:03:10.960 Yeah.

00:03:11.300 But in a cool way.

00:03:12.300 Oh, yeah.

00:03:12.740 It's like, as a kid, I don't care who you are, especially like my age group, you dream

00:03:16.780 of having a song on the radio.

00:03:18.920 So, having one on the radio is like surreal.

00:03:21.620 You know, that is kind of a thing that when you're young, man, and you hear that radio,

00:03:25.620 it always seemed like it would be impossible to get your song to come out of it, I bet.

00:03:30.640 Oh, yeah.

00:03:31.040 Imagine being a little white trash kid like me and you, and you're wondering how it's

00:03:34.340 coming through the radio anyways.

00:03:36.100 You're looking around like there's no cord on the car.

00:03:38.440 How is this even coming through right now?

00:03:40.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:40.980 It's almost like they were sitting inside of your motor and playing for you personally.

00:03:46.380 Dude, I used to have a dream that at one point in automobiles, they would have a disc

00:03:53.500 or something you'd put into the dashboard, and then the band, they'd have like hologram.

00:03:58.360 I always had this vision that hologram was really going to pop off.

00:04:01.320 And the band would come out onto your dashboard the way it would be built, and the band would

00:04:06.660 perform right there for you.

00:04:08.000 Right there.

00:04:08.660 Yeah.

00:04:08.940 God, we should still make that.

00:04:10.200 That could make money.

00:04:11.700 I could make some wrecks.

00:04:12.940 Yeah, sure, dude.

00:04:14.240 First day I smoke a doobie and look over there and see Hendrix shredding, I'm fucking crashing.

00:04:18.880 Yeah, somebody's just locked in on Wiz Khalifa.

00:04:22.080 They can't even handle it.

00:04:25.020 No, it's cool, man.

00:04:26.080 So, what was that for you?

00:04:27.040 For me as a kid, it was like radio was like the thing.

00:04:30.640 As an artist, you wanted to have a song on the radio.

00:04:33.900 Now I'm having, so for you, was it like, I guess, did you come up with like the disc

00:04:38.240 comedy era?

00:04:39.080 Like you wanted a comedy album, or was it like Comedy Central?

00:04:43.220 Yeah, getting on Comedy Central was big, doing that.

00:04:47.220 And getting the album out and getting it on the iTunes charts was real big, you know?

00:04:53.920 I remember 30 Pounds of Hamster Bones was like my first real album release, and that got on

00:05:00.820 to the, like, I think we got to number one at some point, you know, just based on the

00:05:04.940 way the sales go.

00:05:06.400 And so that was pretty wild.

00:05:09.260 But I remember my first, do you remember the first song you ever heard through the radio?

00:05:13.480 Oh, man.

00:05:16.440 Probably not the first song I ever heard through the radio.

00:05:19.240 I know the first, like, album we went and bought, or like cassette tape my sister bought.

00:05:23.240 Yeah.

00:05:23.680 But I can't think of, like, the first song I heard on the radio.

00:05:26.340 You remember the first song you, like, remember hearing on the radio?

00:05:29.140 Yeah, I remember I had an, uh, my mom had some, um, some, uh, like, babysitters took

00:05:40.900 us to summer camp, right?

00:05:42.220 So they'd come pick us up in the morning, and they would take us.

00:05:45.060 And this one lady picked me up.

00:05:46.960 I feel like her name was Heather, but I don't know.

00:05:49.320 But she picked me up, man, and she, they had Bon Jovi she had playing.

00:05:53.120 And I'd never, I think because there was a woman involved also, there was, like, a babysitter,

00:05:57.660 and she was, like, hot, and she, like, had tits and everything.

00:06:00.920 And so, like, I remember it was, uh, what was, um, what was one of those Bon Jovi hits?

00:06:07.460 It was, uh, what was, like, one of his biggest, most popular songs?

00:06:13.460 Oh, fuck, dude.

00:06:14.200 I just woke up, and I'm high.

00:06:15.400 Oh, damn.

00:06:17.040 I haven't even ate breakfast, and I'm stunned.

00:06:19.280 And I'm sitting here with Theo talking about Bon Jovi.

00:06:21.900 I'm like, fuck it, this is wild.

00:06:23.300 I'm on the radio, and Theo's telling me about Bon Jovi and Heather.

00:06:26.040 Yeah, bro.

00:06:26.360 I would, I would like to touch on Heather for a second, though.

00:06:28.740 Oh, I would have liked to as well, brother, baby.

00:06:31.060 I'll tell you that, dude.

00:06:32.300 I think we all have a first teacher as dudes that we, like, mine was my kindergarten teacher.

00:06:37.340 I don't remember my first grade teacher, second grade teacher, third, fourth, fifth, none of them.

00:06:41.020 But I remember my kindergarten teacher's name was Liz Harris, and that is when I knew I liked asses.

00:06:46.020 She had the fats, not the flats.

00:06:48.460 I mean, she had, boy, that thing, man.

00:06:51.100 She had a monkey on her back, dog.

00:06:52.940 She was real doubled up, huh?

00:06:54.280 She had those little pants monsters.

00:06:55.680 I remember going home, and my brother had to explain to me what I was feeling.

00:06:58.320 I was like, I think you could pop it.

00:06:59.900 I was like, you know, as a kid, I was like, and my brother was like, oh, yeah, you're going to like asses when you're older.

00:07:04.260 Flew over my head then.

00:07:05.680 Oh, yeah.

00:07:06.100 Oh, dude, my wife's got Miss Harris' ass to the T.

00:07:09.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:11.400 School's in session.

00:07:12.200 I'll set an apple.

00:07:13.220 I'll put an apple right between them cheeks, baby.

00:07:15.460 If for you, it was Heather.

00:07:16.320 For me, it was Miss Harris.

00:07:17.840 Dude, I remember.

00:07:18.680 And she, I would always be like, hey, can I put your seatbelt on for you all the time?

00:07:22.240 We'd just, we'd be in the car, and I think we had to sit in the back, but I'd be like, can I put your seatbelt on for you?

00:07:28.840 And she would just take it off, and I would like reach across her and just like put that seatbelt on.

00:07:33.800 Oh, it made me feel so good.

00:07:35.200 While listening to Bon Jovi.

00:07:36.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:37.460 I wish I could remember that song, man.

00:07:39.920 It was, but anyway, it was one of his hits, man.

00:07:42.920 But yeah, for my listeners that don't know about you, man, so you guys start, so take me through the story, man.

00:07:48.500 Your story is a really inspirational one, and also, you just have this infectious energy, man.

00:07:54.560 And I just notice that any time I'm around you, I wish I was you.

00:07:59.300 Oh, dude, thank you.

00:08:00.340 I feel the same way about you.

00:08:01.440 That guy's having so much fun.

00:08:03.760 I'm like, I want to be that guy.

00:08:05.860 Oh, dude, I love you, man.

00:08:07.060 Thank you, brother.

00:08:07.740 Yeah, you bet, man.

00:08:08.740 You got that tan, man.

00:08:10.240 That's why I'm fucking blowing it.

00:08:12.200 You think?

00:08:12.800 You spraying that thing on, man?

00:08:14.200 Are you laying in the bed or what?

00:08:15.620 Dude, I just went to damn, uh.

00:08:18.260 Oh, you were fishing?

00:08:19.380 Oh, yeah, I was fishing.

00:08:19.940 I just seen Happy Bladed Birthday, by the way.

00:08:21.880 Oh, thanks, man.

00:08:22.600 What a fucking way to spend a birthday, dog.

00:08:24.260 Dude, you're too kind, man.

00:08:25.420 That was with the Jimmy John, by the way?

00:08:27.160 Like, the Jimmy John, Jimmy John?

00:08:28.520 Yeah, dude, we went out there.

00:08:29.600 It was like, we caught.

00:08:31.820 I mean, you go out there, and it's nice.

00:08:33.480 Like, the vessel was damn nice, dude.

00:08:35.320 I got to, it was like Noah was on that bitch.

00:08:37.540 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:38.020 It was damn.

00:08:39.300 Dude, they had animals trying to get on.

00:08:41.040 Fish were trying, like, damn, that bitch looks nice, dog.

00:08:44.000 You know?

00:08:44.680 You'd see all these Mexican fish.

00:08:46.000 They were like, hey, give us a ride back to freaking Cuba.

00:08:50.440 You know?

00:08:50.740 Like, they had fish jumping on that.

00:08:52.540 The panthers were getting on that bitch.

00:08:54.540 They had animals I didn't even know existed out there trying to get in.

00:08:57.840 It was a luxury boat, right?

00:08:59.960 So, you're out on there, and they had a couple.

00:09:02.760 They got, like, some fishermen, like, men that are just, you know, just a couple damn Moby Dick lurkers out there.

00:09:10.360 And them bitches, they show up.

00:09:12.120 And so, they put in, sometimes if you're in, like, the deep water, they had these big electric rod and reels on the sides.

00:09:19.760 And they would cast those down to, like, 1,500 feet or something.

00:09:24.200 So, you would just cast them down, and then you would see the thing go like that, you know?

00:09:27.980 And so, you were pressing these buttons instead of doing reeling.

00:09:30.660 Oh, shit.

00:09:31.140 It's like playing an Xbox for fishing.

00:09:32.620 Yeah, it was, bro.

00:09:34.120 That's fucking nuts.

00:09:34.960 It was.

00:09:35.240 I mean, it was like, you could catch the past.

00:09:37.240 You could have memories come up.

00:09:38.300 If somebody pulled up a memory of something when you were a kid, you're like, damn, that was deep, bro.

00:09:42.080 Dude.

00:09:42.720 So, that was unbelievable.

00:09:44.240 I was like, is that the real Jimmy John?

00:09:46.240 That's him, baby.

00:09:47.000 That sandwich jockey, dude.

00:09:48.340 He, yeah, that man turkey-timed his way into the abyss.

00:09:51.800 You know what's fucked up?

00:09:52.940 I look at you, and I get jealous, because I'm like, you have all the friends I want, but don't need.

00:09:57.940 It's like Todd Graves is your homie, too, from Cain's, right?

00:10:01.220 I'm like, I'm already fat.

00:10:02.480 I'd be like, I'd die.

00:10:03.540 If I had your friend list right now, I'd just, like, live in a house full of sandwiches and fried chicken.

00:10:09.580 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:10.700 I'm like, you're cool with everybody I want to be cool with, but God knows I don't need to be cool with.

00:10:15.160 Yeah, some of those people I'm not even going to introduce you to, man.

00:10:18.720 I seen y'all carrying the Jimmy John sandwiches on.

00:10:21.940 I was like, fuck me.

00:10:23.340 In honor of your veins, on behalf of your veins, I'm going to say I'm not introducing you to those dogs.

00:10:27.880 Especially not the chicken man.

00:10:29.240 Yeah.

00:10:30.100 Oh, yeah, man.

00:10:31.000 I've been pretty lucky.

00:10:31.680 And those are the guys that have just come on the podcast, and then you kind of get to have a relationship with them or become friends with them.

00:10:37.820 But that was unbelievable.

00:10:38.860 And then there's some points where you get a rod and reel, and you're actually doing the fishing, you know.

00:10:43.500 And it's like an industrial size.

00:10:45.100 It's like something they'd sell at Home Depot.

00:10:46.880 Oh, dude.

00:10:47.320 I just think about the distance from what looked like where you were at on the boat to the water.

00:10:51.920 Yeah.

00:10:52.280 It wasn't like when you're sitting on, like, the little boat in the bayou you probably used to get on where you just kind of tip your little toe in the water.

00:10:58.060 I mean, it looked like it was a full-blown dive.

00:11:00.240 Nobody touched the water.

00:11:01.520 At one point, I jumped in for, like, 30 seconds because they had some real bad sharks in there.

00:11:05.860 But you couldn't reach out and touch the boat.

00:11:08.880 You had to touch the water.

00:11:09.840 Yeah.

00:11:10.100 It looked like you were high as fuck.

00:11:11.420 Yeah, you were.

00:11:12.020 And then you go inside, and you're, like, in a damn Marriott Plus or something.

00:11:16.500 You know, that bitch is nice.

00:11:17.460 How many days were you sleeping on the water and everything?

00:11:19.600 Yeah, you go to sleep out there, dude.

00:11:21.400 It's like being in somebody's – it's like being, I feel like, in a – just like in a damn black lady's womb, bro.

00:11:27.840 That thing is comfortable.

00:11:31.420 Did you sleep good, or did the rockin' fuck with you?

00:11:33.860 Did the rockin' sleep put me out?

00:11:36.420 I needed it.

00:11:36.740 It's like being on a bus without the sound of the engine.

00:11:38.860 Oh, yeah.

00:11:39.420 It's like furniture's all made out of Percocet, baby.

00:11:41.660 You fall straight to sleep on that shit, son.

00:11:44.100 I was –

00:11:44.600 And it was his boat?

00:11:45.840 It was Jimmy John's boat?

00:11:46.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Jimmy John's boat, man.

00:11:48.840 So that was awesome.

00:11:49.780 He took me – it was my birthday, so he took me out there.

00:11:51.840 And so we flew out on Friday straight down to Bahamas, and then we jumped on the boat.

00:12:00.220 Yeah, there's some dude, like an island guy, like, you want that roast beef sandwich?

00:12:04.880 They don't even have a Jimmy John for 1,000 miles, and some dude's standing there.

00:12:07.940 And a dude's just sitting there with Jimmy John.

00:12:09.120 With a box of Jimmy John.

00:12:10.520 No, listen, Jimmy John, this is for you.

00:12:13.340 Would you please bring back the chicken Caesar wrap?

00:12:15.860 It was fine.

00:12:16.660 And it was limited time only, and I think the time was too limited, sir.

00:12:20.660 Would you like to bring it back, man, or use your influence to help your boy, man?

00:12:25.060 It'd mean a lot to me.

00:12:26.620 We'll see.

00:12:27.320 Look, I'll put that word in, baby.

00:12:28.760 I'll send that up the ladder, baby.

00:12:31.240 Yeah, that's the only promo clip I want from today.

00:12:33.640 It's me asking Jimmy John to bring a discontinued sandwich back.

00:12:39.000 Hey, I think we could help.

00:12:41.760 I fucking hate you.

00:12:43.140 I think we could help, man.

00:12:44.540 And so how did you find Parker?

00:12:48.360 We're just talking off camera about how much we love Parker.

00:12:50.920 We'll call him, yeah.

00:12:52.320 How does Theo find music?

00:12:53.920 That's what I'm really getting at here.

00:12:55.480 Oh, that's all right.

00:12:56.140 And then I want to learn about how you got into music, man.

00:12:58.580 Because I really want my audience to know that.

00:13:00.820 And you know what I do, man?

00:13:03.780 I'm on TikTok, man.

00:13:05.400 Yeah, that's the way.

00:13:06.260 Oh, they got this fella four track that I listened to.

00:13:10.080 I think he's out of South Carolina.

00:13:11.980 Is that the guy you came out to the other night at the comedy club?

00:13:14.600 Yes.

00:13:14.960 Yes, that shit was banging.

00:13:16.940 Yeah, bro.

00:13:17.540 I don't know who it was.

00:13:18.480 Can you pull it up?

00:13:19.300 See if you can get him on here.

00:13:20.340 Gang, gang, baby.

00:13:32.160 100 more rats, not the gun in the rack.

00:13:34.180 I'm country thugging.

00:13:35.980 Left in the front, squat in the back.

00:13:38.100 I'm country thugging.

00:13:39.920 You better watch out when you're talking loud.

00:13:42.400 Yeah, my cousins.

00:13:43.960 Got a lot down, I'm popping now.

00:13:46.020 The country buzzing.

00:13:47.940 100 more rats, not the gun in the rack.

00:13:49.660 I'm country thugging.

00:13:51.800 Left in the front, squat in the back.

00:13:54.120 I'm country thugging.

00:13:55.260 That's good, man.

00:13:55.800 That was really good.

00:13:56.640 Because I remember the other night when we were at the Shob show,

00:13:59.560 you was telling the sound guy,

00:14:01.440 it was like, yeah, play this song.

00:14:03.180 And I think I asked you afterwards, you came around,

00:14:04.900 I was like, that song was fire.

00:14:05.880 Who is it?

00:14:06.240 He was like, four track.

00:14:07.100 I was like, how do you, you were like, I just found him.

00:14:09.640 You were like, I just found him.

00:14:11.960 That's TikTok.

00:14:12.660 Look, man, when you don't have a family or nothing, bro,

00:14:14.780 you TikTok at night by yourself,

00:14:16.840 and you come across a little four track.

00:14:18.880 Sadly, TikTok's so popular now,

00:14:20.960 you do that when you have a family.

00:14:22.300 Yeah.

00:14:23.600 They're sad.

00:14:25.540 Some nights I lay in the white from my bed,

00:14:27.440 and we're just watching two separate TikTok feeds.

00:14:29.960 You guys are just sitting there,

00:14:31.540 just inadvertently hooked on Walker Hayes' TikTok?

00:14:34.380 Yeah, for sure.

00:14:35.180 I know.

00:14:35.800 It's like hell.

00:14:36.980 I'm just watching Fancy like on repeat,

00:14:39.380 like I'm finally getting punished for my sins of life.

00:14:43.580 Oh, especially since they're talking about Applebee's.

00:14:45.740 I bet they get too bent out.

00:14:47.280 Maybe some of them lyrics.

00:14:48.480 Oh, dude.

00:14:49.160 Fucking milkshakes.

00:14:49.700 How do I find music?

00:14:51.280 I know, dude.

00:14:51.960 But the Oreo shakes.

00:14:54.220 How do I find some music?

00:14:56.000 That's probably how.

00:14:57.740 Actually, my buddy, I was telling you that story.

00:14:59.480 My buddy, back in the day when you would just,

00:15:04.240 you know, ejaculating was a big thing, you know?

00:15:07.540 Now it's kind of like all over the place.

00:15:09.720 It feels like, you know, so much pornography.

00:15:11.380 Back in the day, you had to really, you know,

00:15:13.780 I remember we'd buy a drawing of some cooter or something,

00:15:16.320 you know, for the weekend.

00:15:17.640 We had this dude, Nicky, would sell us a little sketch,

00:15:20.640 us a little bit of cooter for the weekend,

00:15:22.240 and we'd take that bitch home on Friday

00:15:24.520 and bring it back on Monday, you know,

00:15:26.120 because you got $2 back if you brought it back.

00:15:28.080 You know, you had to piece your own magazine together,

00:15:30.380 where this guy had a page from this one,

00:15:31.940 and this guy had a page from this one,

00:15:33.300 and you'd take three, four pages and tape them together

00:15:35.620 and be your own kind of magazine.

00:15:36.980 You wouldn't be a hustler, you wouldn't be a playboy.

00:15:39.320 And actually a yarn, keeping it together.

00:15:41.420 You're like, this is dicey.

00:15:42.460 This is my shit.

00:15:43.580 But my buddy Scott would put a map up in his car.

00:15:46.160 He's riding with his folks one time.

00:15:47.520 He puts a map up in the car,

00:15:49.580 because at that age, if you start masturbating,

00:15:51.740 that's the thing, it gets you hooked.

00:15:53.040 The devil gets you hooked on your own dick.

00:15:55.360 And you just start, bro, you're sitting there, man.

00:15:58.280 And my buddy Scott did it.

00:16:00.000 He was just telling his family where they were going,

00:16:02.720 and the whole time he's behind this map.

00:16:05.580 Just ruining Maine.

00:16:09.400 That's all he was doing.

00:16:10.680 And I thought I was a gangster,

00:16:12.040 because I could pull it sometimes

00:16:13.260 if my cellmate was asleep when I was in jail.

00:16:16.000 And even then, I felt pretty sketchy,

00:16:17.760 because there was another grown man there.

00:16:19.160 But could you imagine just having a car pulled, dude?

00:16:22.340 Your sister's in the backseat, kicking the seat.

00:16:24.480 Dude, that's family cute.

00:16:25.800 Where's Steve Harvey when that shit's going down, you know?

00:16:28.220 Bring that question up.

00:16:29.280 You're over there adding tributaries

00:16:30.780 to your own frickin' map.

00:16:33.860 So take me through, man.

00:16:34.960 So how did you get into music, man?

00:16:37.600 How did it start for you when you're coming up?

00:16:40.220 Where does music hit you first in your life?

00:16:43.180 My mother was probably like,

00:16:46.520 the sad part of the story is,

00:16:48.800 my mother always struggled with

00:16:50.260 mental health issues and addiction.

00:16:53.200 And she didn't leave much at all when I was a kid.

00:16:55.500 She was a recluse.

00:16:56.760 She never really left the house.

00:16:58.760 And she would like,

00:17:00.500 her making it to the kitchen table

00:17:01.920 was kind of like a big deal, you know?

00:17:03.400 Yeah.

00:17:03.820 And you'd walk in the house,

00:17:05.700 and mom would be at the kitchen table,

00:17:07.460 and she'd have a cigarette lit,

00:17:08.920 and she'd be sitting on a wood chair, Indian style,

00:17:11.220 right there in the kitchen,

00:17:12.200 back when you could smoke it.

00:17:13.420 Back when restaurants had smoking sections.

00:17:15.680 Oh, yeah.

00:17:16.160 Like, smoking inside places was a thing, you know?

00:17:18.840 And she'd be there smoking a cigarette,

00:17:20.280 and she'd have a record playing.

00:17:23.000 And she'd just have her eyes closed,

00:17:25.220 and I just,

00:17:25.760 I could tell that the music

00:17:27.160 was doing something to her, man.

00:17:29.300 Like, I just remember watching her

00:17:31.040 and thinking,

00:17:31.560 man, this music's like,

00:17:33.460 whatever that is,

00:17:35.120 is helping her, you know?

00:17:37.700 Or she'd play like

00:17:38.520 Bette Midler, The Rose, and Cry.

00:17:39.940 I could still hear her in my head,

00:17:42.320 play this at my funeral.

00:17:43.180 To this day,

00:17:43.800 if you play Bette Midler, The Rose,

00:17:45.200 right now, I might tear up.

00:17:47.080 And she'd play this at my funeral,

00:17:48.540 Jelly, play this at my funeral,

00:17:49.860 Baby Jason.

00:17:50.400 She'd just smoke a cigarette.

00:17:52.040 And I just remember thinking,

00:17:53.060 man, I want to make people feel

00:17:54.740 the way this makes my mother feel.

00:17:57.420 That's the songwriting aspect of it, right?

00:18:00.140 That was what ignited the songwriter in me.

00:18:03.960 Now, the influences are cool

00:18:06.060 because I was the baby, right?

00:18:07.860 I was the youngest.

00:18:08.580 How many?

00:18:09.920 Two brothers, one sister,

00:18:11.360 and my sister,

00:18:12.060 who she's still with to this day,

00:18:13.460 was with then.

00:18:14.120 So she's been with this man

00:18:14.960 30-something years.

00:18:15.840 He pretty much lived with us

00:18:16.740 from her high school years up.

00:18:18.500 So I say I had three brothers.

00:18:20.300 Two brothers, a brother-in-law

00:18:21.540 that lived with us,

00:18:22.080 and a sister.

00:18:22.600 And we always had some broke cousin

00:18:24.240 on the couch

00:18:25.040 or some broke family

00:18:26.700 in the living room

00:18:28.100 with blow-up mattresses or something.

00:18:30.160 This was just like...

00:18:30.800 Future convict.

00:18:31.800 Yeah, this is our current convict

00:18:33.480 or somebody on the run

00:18:34.380 from the police.

00:18:35.120 We had that kind of a house.

00:18:36.340 And we would like...

00:18:39.440 Yeah, when hide-and-go-seek

00:18:40.440 was hide-and-go-seek.

00:18:41.580 Yeah, for sure.

00:18:42.480 I'll tell you a story about that

00:18:43.340 in a second.

00:18:43.680 It's even better.

00:18:44.560 But when I got in the car

00:18:46.860 with anybody

00:18:47.360 because I was the baby,

00:18:48.240 I had no fucking control

00:18:49.600 of the radio dial.

00:18:50.560 I was the last motherfucker

00:18:52.280 that got to pick the radio.

00:18:53.400 Oh, yeah.

00:18:53.960 And it was so important.

00:18:55.100 You got in the car.

00:18:55.500 That was it.

00:18:55.800 Who got to pick the radio?

00:18:56.860 Who got to pick the radio, right?

00:18:59.120 So it's like when I was in the car,

00:19:00.820 I had one brother

00:19:01.600 that listened to nothing

00:19:02.380 but gangster rap music.

00:19:03.520 Bizzle sitting here is awesome

00:19:04.380 because he's met my whole family.

00:19:05.840 Yeah.

00:19:06.820 We got tour manager Bizzle Gibbons

00:19:08.340 is sitting here in the studio.

00:19:10.000 Just to throw him

00:19:10.240 in the middle of our shit

00:19:10.940 because looking at him,

00:19:11.720 he's looking over there like,

00:19:12.480 yeah, I met most of them.

00:19:13.920 I had one brother named Scott

00:19:15.340 that's the middle older

00:19:16.420 that was a straight gangster rap guy.

00:19:20.040 Like Tupac, Biggie,

00:19:22.080 like gangster gangster.

00:19:23.040 The more gangster, the better.

00:19:24.840 Well, was he dating white chicks still

00:19:26.280 or how gangster was he?

00:19:27.280 I mean, no, he was everywhere.

00:19:28.620 Oh, gang, gang.

00:19:29.560 Yeah, his dick didn't discriminate.

00:19:31.080 Oh, damn, boy.

00:19:32.680 Yeah, he got that Biden.

00:19:33.800 Yeah, for sure.

00:19:34.220 He was all about it all.

00:19:35.620 And we lived in a super mixed neighborhood anyway,

00:19:38.080 so it was just super common to, you know,

00:19:39.740 like all my brothers

00:19:40.760 had a black best friend or something.

00:19:42.260 It was just so many, you know, whatever.

00:19:43.840 Yeah, same.

00:19:44.360 The neighbors were black.

00:19:45.280 We had a Chinese guy in the neighborhood,

00:19:46.980 a couple of Mexicans.

00:19:48.000 Dude, we had an Iranian family

00:19:49.160 down at the bottom of the street

00:19:50.100 that were super savage, dude.

00:19:51.660 They'd bring Iranian food up, dude,

00:19:53.420 Iraqi food,

00:19:54.140 and it was fucking fire, dude.

00:19:55.720 But anyways,

00:19:57.220 so I'm fucking high.

00:19:58.360 Yeah, but we get in the car

00:20:00.480 and like all these different radio stations

00:20:02.360 would play,

00:20:02.720 so like one brother beat Gangster Rap.

00:20:04.600 My sister would listen to like

00:20:05.360 nothing but Metallica

00:20:06.340 or Stone Temple Pilots.

00:20:08.660 Yeah, for sure.

00:20:09.680 Like fucking Nirvana

00:20:10.720 when they first came out.

00:20:11.800 This was all huge.

00:20:12.620 Oh, yeah.

00:20:13.220 And then I had another brother

00:20:14.080 listen to like super hip-hop shit,

00:20:15.700 like Biz Marquee kind of shit,

00:20:17.300 Wu-Tang shit.

00:20:18.360 You know what I mean?

00:20:19.380 Yeah, and then dad would listen

00:20:20.720 to either jazz

00:20:21.800 or back then

00:20:22.500 like singer-songwriter stuff

00:20:24.140 like James Taylor,

00:20:25.740 Jim Croce.

00:20:26.340 My mother listened to Motown,

00:20:29.080 oldies,

00:20:29.720 and like outlaw country music.

00:20:31.780 Dang.

00:20:31.960 So it's like every room

00:20:33.160 I'd walk into

00:20:34.000 or every fucking,

00:20:35.060 everywhere I'd go,

00:20:36.320 it'd be some different music playing.

00:20:38.180 So when people are like,

00:20:38.840 dude, you kind of do

00:20:39.540 all kind of music.

00:20:40.440 I'm like,

00:20:40.700 I'm a fucking human jukebox, man.

00:20:42.200 I grew up in a,

00:20:42.860 you know,

00:20:43.040 I didn't get to pick a music

00:20:44.660 I liked and get to play it

00:20:45.940 because I didn't fucking,

00:20:46.840 you know,

00:20:46.980 everybody else had their genre of music

00:20:48.600 and their world,

00:20:49.800 but me.

00:20:51.140 I didn't have like a place

00:20:52.360 I could go listen to

00:20:53.020 what I wanted to listen to.

00:20:54.120 Right, right, right.

00:20:54.400 I just had to listen to

00:20:55.620 whatever fucking room

00:20:56.640 I walked in.

00:20:57.200 Yeah, that's funny.

00:20:57.880 The younger brother is kind of,

00:20:59.080 you kind of that ear victim, bro.

00:21:01.080 Yeah, for sure.

00:21:01.360 You know,

00:21:01.520 it's like whatever,

00:21:02.640 you kind of,

00:21:03.260 you start to get into

00:21:04.200 whatever anybody else is into.

00:21:05.880 That's it.

00:21:06.140 I never thought about that.

00:21:07.120 The older brother really gets

00:21:08.220 to pick the radio

00:21:09.140 and that kind of shapes

00:21:10.520 the younger brother a little bit.

00:21:11.780 Sure, dude.

00:21:12.360 It's like if my brother's

00:21:13.280 listening to Dr. Dre,

00:21:15.040 then I'm all Dre'd up.

00:21:16.280 I'm buying that t-shirt

00:21:17.220 with the weed leaves.

00:21:18.200 100%.

00:21:18.680 And when he switches

00:21:19.300 to Nirvana, dude,

00:21:20.520 I'm cutting my wrist,

00:21:22.100 but not with sharp silverware.

00:21:23.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:24.120 I didn't get to get in the car

00:21:25.400 and be like,

00:21:25.840 I really want to listen

00:21:26.780 to 107.5 The River.

00:21:28.240 Nobody gave a fuck

00:21:29.300 what I wanted to listen to,

00:21:31.080 you know?

00:21:31.480 Like, we didn't even know

00:21:32.080 you could talk.

00:21:32.960 I'll tell you the first

00:21:33.720 cassette tape I ever got given.

00:21:35.440 I got all these gifts

00:21:36.580 for Christmas

00:21:37.120 and they were like,

00:21:38.420 we got one last gift from you

00:21:39.480 and this is from your

00:21:40.100 brothers and sisters.

00:21:41.960 I was like,

00:21:42.280 oh, this is probably

00:21:43.020 going to be the coolest gift ever.

00:21:44.580 And they gave me

00:21:44.960 this little big package

00:21:45.680 and it was a cassette tape

00:21:46.740 and it was Rex and FX

00:21:48.340 Rump Shaker.

00:21:49.780 Yeah.

00:21:50.580 And I was like,

00:21:51.360 this is gangster.

00:21:52.320 And I remember at that moment

00:21:53.240 it was something

00:21:53.800 that was finally mine

00:21:54.920 because they,

00:21:55.960 some mama had bought me

00:21:56.940 a boom box

00:21:57.700 and daddy bought me

00:21:59.120 a boom box,

00:21:59.800 but nobody,

00:22:00.480 I didn't have nothing

00:22:00.820 to play in it yet.

00:22:02.120 So then my brother

00:22:02.940 and they did the coolest

00:22:03.740 thing besides that

00:22:04.500 and they handed me

00:22:05.880 the Rex and FX tape

00:22:06.640 and they handed me

00:22:07.180 five blank cassette tapes.

00:22:09.620 And I said,

00:22:09.920 what are these for?

00:22:10.600 And they were like,

00:22:10.980 we're going to show you

00:22:11.720 how to record songs

00:22:12.840 off the radio.

00:22:14.200 You remember this era?

00:22:15.380 Oh, yeah, man.

00:22:16.020 When you put the cassette tape in,

00:22:17.640 listen,

00:22:17.940 for all of y'all

00:22:18.480 that want to know

00:22:19.320 how old I am,

00:22:19.900 I'm that fucking old.

00:22:20.800 Top 10,

00:22:21.460 when that top 10 came on?

00:22:22.180 Yeah, you'd go to the top 10

00:22:23.260 and you'd wait

00:22:23.800 and wait for the perfect moment

00:22:24.780 for the song to start

00:22:25.400 and then you'd hit

00:22:25.760 the play and record button.

00:22:27.040 You got to get it just right.

00:22:28.420 Because you didn't want

00:22:28.920 to hear the radio

00:22:29.620 DJ or the skip.

00:22:30.820 You wanted just the song

00:22:31.520 and then you'd stop right there

00:22:32.580 and you'd play it

00:22:33.740 for one more second

00:22:34.520 so there was a space

00:22:35.200 between the two songs

00:22:36.160 and then you'd hit it again.

00:22:38.300 Or you'd call and request

00:22:39.340 a song that wasn't popular yet

00:22:40.780 and you'd have to wait

00:22:41.440 for hours for them to play it.

00:22:43.340 They're like,

00:22:43.620 who's this donkey?

00:22:44.520 And they taught me that

00:22:45.480 so I started making

00:22:46.460 like mixed cassette tapes

00:22:47.780 and I knew I was on

00:22:49.220 to something different then

00:22:50.220 because like I'd get

00:22:51.500 in the car and find out

00:22:52.340 I got a cassette tape

00:22:53.300 and they'd be like,

00:22:53.540 we don't care about

00:22:54.060 your cassette tape

00:22:54.520 but please play it

00:22:55.400 and it would like go

00:22:56.500 from like rap

00:22:57.320 to something else

00:22:58.080 and the brother would be like,

00:22:58.720 what the fuck is up?

00:22:59.600 I'd be like,

00:22:59.760 well Shelby taught me

00:23:00.400 about this song.

00:23:01.440 So everybody got happy.

00:23:03.360 So you really were,

00:23:04.060 you really were like a jukebox.

00:23:05.420 Yeah.

00:23:05.880 Oh, to this day man,

00:23:06.920 you play very few songs

00:23:08.160 that I'm not like,

00:23:08.860 yeah, I know that Eric.

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00:25:33.400 So what was

00:25:34.440 the family life like?

00:25:35.460 What was it like

00:25:36.320 growing up?

00:25:36.840 Were you guys like,

00:25:38.160 so you had a mom

00:25:39.260 and y'all had a stepdad

00:25:40.300 or no stepdad?

00:25:41.060 No, no,

00:25:41.200 I had a father.

00:25:41.860 Oh, you had a dad.

00:25:42.520 Best friend in the world.

00:25:43.440 Sweetest dude on earth.

00:25:44.500 He taught me pretty much

00:25:46.000 everything about life.

00:25:46.120 Buddy was your dad, right?

00:25:47.080 Buddy was my dad.

00:25:47.760 Yeah, I've heard stories

00:25:48.180 about him.

00:25:48.500 He is a fucking legend.

00:25:50.660 He really is, dude.

00:25:51.880 Old school,

00:25:52.960 gangster,

00:25:53.680 just laid back.

00:25:56.080 Storyteller,

00:25:56.480 but softly spoken.

00:25:57.480 Didn't talk nearly

00:25:58.100 as much as me,

00:25:58.840 but said a lot more.

00:26:00.000 And he was an old school

00:26:01.000 gangster like that.

00:26:02.200 But dad and mother

00:26:03.600 were together

00:26:03.980 whenever I was younger.

00:26:04.980 They divorced

00:26:05.520 in my earlier teenage years.

00:26:08.480 Why'd they divorce,

00:26:09.440 you think?

00:26:09.980 Oh, fuck, dude.

00:26:10.980 You know,

00:26:11.260 frankly, mom.

00:26:12.480 You know,

00:26:12.700 God, I love her to death.

00:26:13.520 Sorry if you're

00:26:13.980 watching this, Burley.

00:26:15.340 But she,

00:26:15.820 you know,

00:26:16.840 she dealt with

00:26:17.920 so much of her own shit,

00:26:19.020 man.

00:26:19.280 I just,

00:26:19.580 I couldn't,

00:26:20.020 I don't,

00:26:21.060 who she is now

00:26:21.820 and who she was

00:26:22.380 then are two different people,

00:26:23.400 so I'm sure she won't

00:26:23.980 be offended by this.

00:26:24.900 I couldn't have been with her.

00:26:25.980 Yeah.

00:26:26.440 You know what I mean?

00:26:27.140 And who she was back then,

00:26:28.380 I mean,

00:26:28.580 he was pushing a square

00:26:29.440 through a circle

00:26:29.980 for a long time,

00:26:30.900 you know?

00:26:31.600 She was really struggling.

00:26:32.960 I mean,

00:26:33.100 I'm talking about a woman

00:26:33.860 that I didn't see

00:26:34.520 not wearing a nightgown

00:26:35.720 for 15 years.

00:26:37.100 Oh, wow.

00:26:37.760 You know what I mean?

00:26:38.400 Like,

00:26:38.600 I don't have a memory

00:26:39.440 of her being like

00:26:40.300 in a kindergarten thing

00:26:41.820 or you know what I mean?

00:26:42.660 Like,

00:26:42.900 none of that shit.

00:26:43.820 Damn,

00:26:44.120 so that must have left

00:26:44.780 you feeling almost like,

00:26:46.160 I mean,

00:26:46.320 if your mom wasn't

00:26:46.860 showing up for a lot of stuff,

00:26:48.100 it probably left you feeling

00:26:49.340 kind of unseen

00:26:52.180 or something sometimes.

00:26:53.500 For sure.

00:26:53.880 And no judgment

00:26:54.680 against your mom.

00:26:55.320 Look,

00:26:55.580 my mom struggles

00:26:56.420 with a lot of that

00:26:57.200 and it's just,

00:26:58.260 they went through it.

00:26:59.160 So somebody did it,

00:27:00.060 you know,

00:27:00.280 they went through it.

00:27:01.160 Yeah,

00:27:01.360 and their era,

00:27:02.000 you know,

00:27:02.220 now that I'm old enough,

00:27:03.200 I look back at her

00:27:03.960 and go,

00:27:04.220 man,

00:27:04.380 she grew up in a house

00:27:05.140 with three other sisters.

00:27:06.740 She grew up with a single mother.

00:27:08.440 My mother's 73 years old.

00:27:10.260 So if you think about her

00:27:11.340 growing up with a single mother

00:27:12.680 raising four kids,

00:27:14.080 she was the town whore

00:27:15.160 in everybody's eyes.

00:27:16.180 Yeah.

00:27:16.560 That's normal now.

00:27:17.620 You see a bitch

00:27:18.140 at the grocery store right now

00:27:19.020 with five kids

00:27:19.680 and be like,

00:27:20.080 shit,

00:27:20.300 she must be from Antioch.

00:27:21.480 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:22.460 It's like,

00:27:23.180 you seen it back then.

00:27:24.180 It was like,

00:27:24.440 you fucking whore,

00:27:25.460 you know what I mean?

00:27:25.840 You damn whore.

00:27:26.880 Yeah,

00:27:27.200 Satan's looking for you.

00:27:28.360 Yeah,

00:27:28.380 you know,

00:27:29.180 it's like totally different world.

00:27:31.140 So I mean,

00:27:31.520 I kind of get where she came from

00:27:32.960 and her mother,

00:27:33.960 which was my granny,

00:27:34.720 was just fucking mean

00:27:36.160 as a fucking beaver on meth.

00:27:38.180 She was just a fucking,

00:27:39.200 you know what I'm saying?

00:27:40.080 She was mean, dude.

00:27:41.600 And I knew that about her.

00:27:42.700 So, you know,

00:27:43.120 I get her issues,

00:27:45.200 but yeah,

00:27:45.960 they had divorced,

00:27:46.720 but Pops ran a meat company

00:27:48.600 for years.

00:27:49.400 Oh, damn,

00:27:49.960 what kind of meat was it?

00:27:50.560 Oh, dude,

00:27:50.900 we got three generations

00:27:51.900 of meat salesmen.

00:27:52.880 Oh, really?

00:27:53.460 Dude,

00:27:53.620 I can tell you more about a pig

00:27:55.080 than I can tell you about pussy.

00:27:56.660 And I know a little bit about both.

00:27:58.300 And I'm telling you, man,

00:27:59.460 there's just something,

00:28:00.180 dude,

00:28:00.360 he was,

00:28:00.900 my grandfather was,

00:28:02.780 ran a meat truck

00:28:03.480 called D Ford Sausage Company.

00:28:05.420 And then my father took it over

00:28:06.960 and it was called

00:28:07.340 D Ford Wholesale Meats.

00:28:09.360 Hmm.

00:28:09.860 So they changed LLCs, huh?

00:28:11.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:11.940 Well, you know,

00:28:12.440 dad got into the wholesale business.

00:28:14.240 You know,

00:28:14.640 my grandfather was old enough

00:28:16.400 that they actually rode around

00:28:17.560 in a truck

00:28:18.220 and went door to door.

00:28:19.660 This is back when

00:28:20.340 the closest grocery store

00:28:21.700 to a neighborhood

00:28:22.580 was 15,

00:28:23.840 20 minutes away

00:28:24.580 and it was a Byrider

00:28:25.580 or C.B. Smith

00:28:26.400 or Piggly Wiggly.

00:28:27.240 Or Piggly Wiggly, yeah.

00:28:28.120 This is long before Walmart,

00:28:29.680 so, you know,

00:28:30.160 you probably grew up

00:28:30.900 in an era

00:28:31.240 where the meat trucks

00:28:32.020 came to the neighborhood.

00:28:33.020 Yeah.

00:28:33.240 Well, we had,

00:28:34.480 I remember they had a dude

00:28:35.460 who was Schwan's truck

00:28:36.620 or something.

00:28:37.260 Yeah.

00:28:37.520 And this dude would roll through

00:28:38.720 and this dude honestly

00:28:39.900 was banging some ladies, bro.

00:28:41.540 This, I don't know how,

00:28:42.700 this guy was a real Casanova, bro.

00:28:44.960 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:45.980 He would,

00:28:46.280 and the second he saw the kids,

00:28:47.640 he'd be all pissed

00:28:48.460 and stuff,

00:28:48.760 you could tell.

00:28:49.900 But he was,

00:28:51.460 yeah,

00:28:51.620 they had everything in there,

00:28:52.660 like frozen things,

00:28:53.740 the cookies and beef.

00:28:55.380 He had the beef area,

00:28:56.340 he had to get in the beef area.

00:28:57.620 The beef area,

00:29:00.140 I remember when you opened

00:29:00.800 that bitch up,

00:29:01.600 it was like,

00:29:02.400 oh yeah.

00:29:02.780 All the,

00:29:03.520 it was so cold in there.

00:29:04.780 As a child,

00:29:05.260 you couldn't even look in there

00:29:06.160 for long.

00:29:06.500 You was afraid to even look

00:29:07.360 at the beef.

00:29:08.360 And then they came through

00:29:09.680 with the little Chinese food portal

00:29:11.440 at one point

00:29:12.120 and that's when I think

00:29:12.900 the people I was living with

00:29:14.260 at the time,

00:29:14.720 they cut it off, man.

00:29:15.620 They said,

00:29:15.880 we're not doing all of that shit.

00:29:16.800 Yeah, well at that point,

00:29:17.600 it wasn't far away

00:29:18.320 from being food trucks

00:29:19.400 in that era, but.

00:29:20.620 Yeah, it was like

00:29:21.120 an early food truck,

00:29:21.840 but you had to cook it.

00:29:22.820 Yeah, for sure.

00:29:23.360 No, but you had,

00:29:24.640 Big Buford,

00:29:25.780 my grandfather would just

00:29:26.940 pull up with a,

00:29:27.840 and he did nothing but pork.

00:29:29.200 It was just sausage.

00:29:30.100 It was a default sausage company.

00:29:31.420 It was a family recipe.

00:29:32.820 We still have it to this day.

00:29:34.420 And my father was entrepreneurial

00:29:37.100 so he was like,

00:29:38.040 I want to sell more than pork

00:29:39.140 so he got into poultry and beef.

00:29:40.940 Oh, damn.

00:29:41.660 As well,

00:29:41.960 and he was like,

00:29:42.580 instead of taking it

00:29:43.360 door to door,

00:29:44.140 change with the times,

00:29:45.480 I'm not just going to service

00:29:46.400 door to door

00:29:47.020 in the small piggly wigglies

00:29:48.240 and buy rights.

00:29:48.980 I'm going to start going

00:29:49.580 to local barbecue pits

00:29:50.920 and local restaurants

00:29:52.480 that were local owned

00:29:53.460 and local red.

00:29:54.420 And you know,

00:29:54.660 he sold meat that way

00:29:56.240 and housed his own meat.

00:29:58.380 My brother now,

00:29:59.120 my oldest brother,

00:30:01.400 the one that was more

00:30:02.160 of a hip-hop head,

00:30:04.720 he is still in the meat business.

00:30:06.840 Oh, damn.

00:30:07.020 He's still in the meat business

00:30:07.820 to this day.

00:30:08.380 He's still doing meat.

00:30:09.080 Yeah.

00:30:09.560 Oh, dude,

00:30:10.020 it's still,

00:30:10.640 you know,

00:30:10.860 and it tickles me pink

00:30:11.740 because it's like my dad's still here.

00:30:13.040 I go hang out with my brother

00:30:13.860 and all his meat salesman friends.

00:30:15.380 Yeah.

00:30:16.080 It's funny how that business

00:30:17.320 is generational that way

00:30:18.740 because most of them guys,

00:30:19.760 your meat's daddy

00:30:20.380 was in the meat business.

00:30:21.420 You know,

00:30:22.180 a lot of businesses are.

00:30:23.380 Yeah,

00:30:23.820 it's crazy.

00:30:24.040 A lot of the police officers,

00:30:25.200 boat captains,

00:30:25.920 a lot of things are,

00:30:27.200 it just comes down

00:30:27.940 through the family line.

00:30:29.300 I was the only one

00:30:30.240 that had a vision

00:30:31.220 outside of anything like that.

00:30:33.640 My other brother

00:30:34.340 ended up doing a survey,

00:30:37.000 he's a land surveyor

00:30:38.100 and does all that kind of stuff.

00:30:40.660 Oh, damn.

00:30:41.040 He's like,

00:30:41.420 into like engineering and stuff,

00:30:43.420 civil engineering.

00:30:44.700 Yeah,

00:30:44.980 I actually got my degree

00:30:45.840 in urban planning,

00:30:46.720 bro.

00:30:49.860 In urban planning?

00:30:51.680 Yeah,

00:30:52.100 I'm an urban planner,

00:30:54.660 I guess.

00:30:55.240 I mean,

00:30:55.540 I am,

00:30:56.380 I don't know if my license

00:30:57.960 is active or whatever.

00:30:58.860 I don't know if I ever got a license,

00:30:59.960 but I am,

00:31:02.040 I guess I'm legally

00:31:03.120 an urban planner,

00:31:03.840 I guess.

00:31:04.180 I mean,

00:31:04.360 I got the,

00:31:05.300 you know,

00:31:05.740 I did it.

00:31:06.560 Yeah.

00:31:06.820 You know,

00:31:07.540 I think it's mostly about,

00:31:09.120 I mean,

00:31:09.380 I know what it's about.

00:31:10.000 It's about neighborhoods.

00:31:12.280 Like if you have to have like,

00:31:13.640 say you're putting together

00:31:14.520 a neighborhood

00:31:14.880 and somebody needs,

00:31:15.820 you need to know

00:31:16.200 where the post box,

00:31:17.180 post office box is going

00:31:18.280 or like if a mail truck

00:31:20.120 is coming through,

00:31:20.780 how to get it through,

00:31:21.680 like the,

00:31:22.060 you know,

00:31:22.260 give it the best directions.

00:31:23.360 Right,

00:31:23.560 right.

00:31:25.040 Yeah,

00:31:25.420 he deals with the like,

00:31:27.020 can you build here?

00:31:28.220 Is this a flood land

00:31:29.320 or,

00:31:29.780 you know,

00:31:30.140 shit like that.

00:31:31.460 But yeah,

00:31:31.960 I'm the only one

00:31:32.460 that even took to like

00:31:33.400 something artist driven

00:31:34.740 or creative minded at all.

00:31:36.340 So when did it start to like

00:31:37.800 really take shape

00:31:38.760 or something

00:31:39.060 or what do you think

00:31:39.680 kind of,

00:31:40.560 did you have some pitfalls

00:31:41.820 or something?

00:31:42.320 Like what was it like

00:31:43.060 in your teen years growing up?

00:31:44.100 Because I know you got

00:31:44.780 into some trouble,

00:31:45.860 right?

00:31:46.240 Yeah,

00:31:46.500 yeah,

00:31:46.640 I got into a little trouble.

00:31:47.640 So the other side

00:31:49.400 of my father

00:31:50.000 that was the side

00:31:52.720 that I seen the most

00:31:53.640 more than the hard

00:31:54.360 working salesman was,

00:31:55.580 he was a hustler.

00:31:56.780 Yeah.

00:31:57.040 So my father booked bets

00:31:58.380 on the side most of his life.

00:31:59.860 You know,

00:32:00.040 it's part of,

00:32:00.620 part of a story

00:32:01.780 that he didn't tell

00:32:02.340 because later in life

00:32:03.120 he went on to marry

00:32:03.760 a fucking Methodist minister

00:32:04.960 and totally different dude

00:32:06.640 than the dude

00:32:07.020 I grew up with,

00:32:07.820 you know,

00:32:08.420 which I love both versions

00:32:09.600 of him,

00:32:09.940 but I grew up with

00:32:10.640 the old gangster

00:32:11.260 that booked bets.

00:32:12.100 You know,

00:32:12.300 I grew up on a bar

00:32:13.380 still with him

00:32:13.900 booking bets.

00:32:14.800 And with bets on anything,

00:32:16.600 football games,

00:32:17.200 all kinds of stuff?

00:32:17.560 He ran like

00:32:18.080 the old school football cards.

00:32:19.620 Yeah,

00:32:19.820 I remember that.

00:32:19.960 So he wasn't just like

00:32:20.800 a gambler,

00:32:21.380 he was the dude

00:32:21.900 who booked them.

00:32:22.600 So he'd drop off

00:32:23.480 football cards

00:32:24.220 to like Stanley Street Bar

00:32:26.400 and Larry's in Antioch

00:32:27.920 and TGI Friday's in Antioch

00:32:29.560 when it first opened up

00:32:30.720 and like all these local bars

00:32:32.600 he would run football cards

00:32:34.000 through them.

00:32:34.380 He'd take phone bets

00:32:35.780 to parlays

00:32:36.680 and,

00:32:37.100 you know,

00:32:37.820 flat setups.

00:32:38.000 But I remember the card,

00:32:38.920 I remember my buddy's dad

00:32:39.920 worked over at like

00:32:40.980 a Ford dealership,

00:32:42.380 right?

00:32:42.800 And he'd come home,

00:32:43.720 sometimes he'd give us a card,

00:32:44.900 you know,

00:32:45.080 we could,

00:32:45.480 you know,

00:32:46.080 we'd put five,

00:32:47.340 six dollars on it

00:32:48.300 or something.

00:32:48.680 That's when five or six dollars

00:32:49.860 was a lot.

00:32:50.160 It was a big deal,

00:32:50.820 especially for you

00:32:51.620 just to be guessing

00:32:52.220 if it was going to work.

00:32:53.020 And,

00:32:53.660 you know,

00:32:53.960 he made a deal

00:32:54.580 with all of us brothers

00:32:55.480 when we were younger

00:32:56.140 that,

00:32:56.520 you know,

00:32:56.640 he said,

00:32:56.960 I'll give you a choice.

00:32:57.760 I'll either pay you

00:32:58.620 per football card

00:32:59.820 that you put out

00:33:00.720 or

00:33:01.920 I won't pay you

00:33:03.860 per football card

00:33:04.780 and I'll let you

00:33:05.580 share in the revenue of it.

00:33:07.400 So his thing was like,

00:33:08.460 either you can take this risk

00:33:09.620 and make more money with me

00:33:10.860 or I'll just give you

00:33:12.280 a flat fee

00:33:12.900 for every,

00:33:13.500 you know,

00:33:14.260 X amount of dollars

00:33:15.300 per football card

00:33:16.160 you put in the streets.

00:33:17.620 So he kind of taught us

00:33:18.720 that work ethic

00:33:19.440 and it was fun

00:33:20.040 to watch the brothers

00:33:20.780 because you have some

00:33:21.560 that played it safe,

00:33:23.180 you know,

00:33:23.500 and then you had the me's

00:33:24.520 and that's when he knew

00:33:25.140 something was going to be different.

00:33:26.060 He got risky.

00:33:26.940 Me and another brother,

00:33:27.860 we had some cousins

00:33:28.520 that played it safe.

00:33:29.260 Me and all the brothers

00:33:29.980 went for the risky.

00:33:31.100 Me and all brothers

00:33:32.300 were like,

00:33:32.680 nah,

00:33:32.880 fuck that,

00:33:33.340 we're going for it.

00:33:34.080 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:34.740 Like,

00:33:34.920 we're putting it all on the line.

00:33:35.880 We're trying to upsell people

00:33:36.980 on bets,

00:33:37.560 you know,

00:33:38.320 and trying to figure it out.

00:33:40.000 So I always had that hustler in me

00:33:42.160 and then when mom and dad divorced,

00:33:43.980 I stayed with mama,

00:33:44.980 you know what I'm saying?

00:33:45.600 Because I felt like

00:33:46.260 she was the one that needed me.

00:33:47.800 Yeah.

00:33:48.020 But you know,

00:33:48.540 in hindsight,

00:33:49.020 as a kid,

00:33:49.740 I should have never,

00:33:50.620 you know,

00:33:50.800 I should have went with where,

00:33:53.140 I should have went with what I needed,

00:33:55.100 not what I thought

00:33:55.820 somebody else needed,

00:33:57.060 but,

00:33:57.440 but that's my mama.

00:33:57.580 That just shows your nature

00:33:58.600 as a human probably.

00:33:59.580 Yeah,

00:33:59.700 yeah,

00:33:59.880 for sure.

00:34:00.340 I love my mom.

00:34:00.880 I thought my mama needed me.

00:34:02.000 So I was like,

00:34:02.500 okay,

00:34:02.760 now I got to be the,

00:34:04.280 and I didn't learn enough

00:34:05.620 about football.

00:34:06.320 I didn't,

00:34:06.460 you know,

00:34:06.700 who's,

00:34:07.040 I was fucking 14,

00:34:08.080 like 15,

00:34:08.560 16 years old.

00:34:09.020 I can't go book bets.

00:34:10.160 Yeah.

00:34:10.540 Fuck the Jets.

00:34:11.400 That's whatever most people know.

00:34:12.460 Right?

00:34:12.760 Yeah.

00:34:12.900 It's like,

00:34:13.180 I'll just fucking,

00:34:13.920 you know,

00:34:14.180 I'll,

00:34:14.340 I'll go,

00:34:14.980 you know,

00:34:15.920 whatever.

00:34:16.320 I'll just go find alternate means of money.

00:34:18.400 And for that,

00:34:18.860 it was,

00:34:19.180 you know,

00:34:19.280 drugs and drugs normally lead to robbing.

00:34:21.480 And,

00:34:21.680 you know,

00:34:22.680 just goofy shit as a kid.

00:34:24.340 I just got in a lot of trouble.

00:34:25.580 I ended up in juvenile for a lot of years.

00:34:27.220 And the juvenile years rolled over.

00:34:29.560 And cause I went to juvenile,

00:34:30.860 you know,

00:34:31.140 I think the first time when I was like 13 or 14,

00:34:33.000 and just kind of went to that revolving door.

00:34:35.640 Ended up in juvenile penitentiary.

00:34:37.080 Ended up in group homes.

00:34:38.220 Kept running from them.

00:34:39.700 What was that penitentiary like?

00:34:41.120 Was it pretty,

00:34:41.800 what,

00:34:42.000 anything you miss about it?

00:34:43.400 Dude.

00:34:44.300 No.

00:34:44.980 No.

00:34:45.140 Fuck no,

00:34:45.820 man.

00:34:45.980 I tell people all the time,

00:34:47.500 jail,

00:34:48.820 prison,

00:34:49.760 all that stuff,

00:34:50.820 dude is when people are like,

00:34:52.120 I love when dudes are like,

00:34:53.040 we just,

00:34:53.360 I just talked to uncle Joey about this.

00:34:55.040 Oh,

00:34:55.320 Joey Coco.

00:34:56.260 Yeah.

00:34:56.620 And we were talking about how some dudes go to prison enough that they start talking about them like they're malls.

00:35:02.280 You know what I mean?

00:35:02.920 Like,

00:35:03.140 yeah,

00:35:03.280 that was actually had really good food.

00:35:05.080 And yo,

00:35:05.340 you know,

00:35:05.560 that one had the prettiest guards.

00:35:06.960 And I'm like,

00:35:07.360 this ain't a fucking mall.

00:35:08.600 They all sucked.

00:35:09.660 That one had an American Eagle.

00:35:10.980 Like my best memory in jail sucks compared to my worst memory at home.

00:35:16.980 You know what I'm saying?

00:35:18.200 Like when they're like,

00:35:19.020 what was the best day you ever had in jail?

00:35:20.600 It's like,

00:35:20.820 I came back and the whole unit threw me a birthday party.

00:35:23.780 I was working in the kitchen and I came in and everybody had like put all their snacks together and they'd set up a big jelly roll birthday party.

00:35:30.680 Cause I was going home soon.

00:35:31.940 So it was like a going away birthday party.

00:35:34.660 And as much as my soul was touched for all these fucking gangbangers and criminals to celebrate me,

00:35:41.600 it sucked.

00:35:42.700 You know what I'm saying?

00:35:43.740 It's like,

00:35:44.520 you know,

00:35:44.840 it's like the worst birthday I've ever had at home.

00:35:47.120 Yeah.

00:35:47.580 Fucking swamped that one.

00:35:49.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:35:50.340 Google surprise party in prison and see what comes up.

00:35:52.760 I didn't want to get an image in my head.

00:35:54.980 And did they have any,

00:35:57.980 let's get a couple of images there.

00:35:59.380 Let's see some.

00:35:59.900 Let's see if this even pops up.

00:36:01.980 Let's see.

00:36:02.340 Oh,

00:36:02.500 there's probably a band called it.

00:36:03.780 I'm sure there is.

00:36:04.460 That's the problem nowadays.

00:36:05.460 You Google anything and there's some shitty band named after it.

00:36:08.000 Oh,

00:36:08.200 for sure.

00:36:08.860 Yeah.

00:36:09.300 Yeah.

00:36:09.520 We're not getting much.

00:36:11.000 No,

00:36:11.280 we didn't have camera phones in there.

00:36:13.840 Oh,

00:36:13.980 here's a cake right there.

00:36:14.760 Click on that cake.

00:36:16.220 Yeah.

00:36:16.420 Happy birthday,

00:36:17.220 Jamal.

00:36:17.580 Now,

00:36:17.760 imagine if somebody made.

00:36:19.940 Yo,

00:36:20.380 Jamal,

00:36:21.000 happy birthday.

00:36:22.440 You know,

00:36:22.760 the best part of that is if they would have made that out of honey buns,

00:36:25.520 it'd be realistic,

00:36:26.500 right?

00:36:26.840 Oh,

00:36:27.060 yeah.

00:36:27.220 That'd be some stuff because,

00:36:28.180 you know,

00:36:28.280 you get a canteen in there and stuff.

00:36:29.900 Oh,

00:36:30.040 because y'all had to make bootleg cakes,

00:36:31.560 huh?

00:36:31.600 Yeah,

00:36:31.880 oh,

00:36:32.040 dude,

00:36:32.380 but I'll tell you what,

00:36:33.360 because of that,

00:36:33.840 my fat ass can whip,

00:36:34.860 boy.

00:36:35.020 I can make something out of next to nothing.

00:36:37.720 Now,

00:36:37.960 so you'd be in there,

00:36:38.800 like,

00:36:39.040 what was your space in the penitentiary environment?

00:36:41.460 What kind of guy were you?

00:36:42.880 Were you just kind of the guy making everybody laugh?

00:36:44.940 Were you the,

00:36:45.760 were you kind of a hardhead or what kind of?

00:36:47.520 No,

00:36:47.800 dude,

00:36:48.040 I was just,

00:36:48.880 dude,

00:36:49.120 I guess I probably made people laugh and entertain.

00:36:51.200 We did freestyle Fridays and I worked in the kitchen and,

00:36:54.920 you know,

00:36:55.820 yeah,

00:36:56.060 I was just there,

00:36:56.820 dude.

00:36:56.920 My young juvenile years,

00:36:58.600 I was more of a hardhead because I was the only white guy there and I felt like I had a point to prove,

00:37:03.060 so I was,

00:37:03.500 you know,

00:37:03.720 whatever.

00:37:04.060 And did they ever let you say the N word or not?

00:37:06.800 You know,

00:37:07.280 what's crazy is that is a word in which context,

00:37:12.260 right?

00:37:12.500 Because there's one way in which you're never allowed to say it.

00:37:14.520 Right.

00:37:14.720 No matter what.

00:37:15.540 Yeah.

00:37:15.800 Yeah.

00:37:15.920 And then the other way,

00:37:16.940 you know,

00:37:17.220 there's certain white guys that,

00:37:18.500 yeah,

00:37:18.640 for sure.

00:37:19.060 And different,

00:37:19.480 different penitentiaries and prisons and every now and then somebody,

00:37:22.080 yeah,

00:37:22.200 they'll let you get away with it.

00:37:25.440 Just,

00:37:25.560 you know,

00:37:25.680 you just want to make sure you don't have a neighbor recording you or nothing.

00:37:28.220 You know,

00:37:28.440 yeah,

00:37:28.840 that stuff will stick with you.

00:37:31.400 Shout out to our boy,

00:37:32.680 but I'm just joking.

00:37:33.360 I love you,

00:37:33.840 Bubba.

00:37:34.040 But you know,

00:37:34.340 it's like,

00:37:34.660 you want to make sure that,

00:37:36.060 yeah,

00:37:36.360 no,

00:37:36.560 they don't,

00:37:36.920 you know,

00:37:37.060 it's different,

00:37:37.620 man.

00:37:37.820 And it's also different per jail,

00:37:39.720 every jail and every prison and everything has a different structure.

00:37:42.760 You know,

00:37:42.940 it gets away more racist in federal prison than in state prison.

00:37:46.320 And it's especially like county jails is a totally different world.

00:37:49.360 Cause you know,

00:37:49.860 everybody.

00:37:50.440 Yeah.

00:37:50.720 When you go to the county jail,

00:37:51.940 there's like a degree of separation between you and everybody in the county.

00:37:55.340 Oh,

00:37:55.600 wow.

00:37:55.880 Yeah.

00:37:56.020 Cause it's all,

00:37:56.680 it's local.

00:37:57.720 It's all local.

00:37:58.520 Like worst case scenario,

00:37:59.440 you're from North Nashville.

00:38:00.780 We're two minutes away from me dropping somebody's name in North Nashville that we both know.

00:38:05.240 Yeah.

00:38:05.660 You know what I mean?

00:38:06.300 The other problem with that is it's a lot of real drama in there though.

00:38:09.920 Like where guys have been like,

00:38:11.200 I have been waiting to run into you cause you had a problem with my cousin,

00:38:14.780 you know,

00:38:15.560 whatever year.

00:38:16.520 Yeah.

00:38:16.600 You know?

00:38:16.980 Oh yeah.

00:38:17.440 That's really,

00:38:18.000 that's really the,

00:38:18.860 uh,

00:38:19.500 that's the real confluence of the local bullshit.

00:38:22.160 Yeah.

00:38:22.280 Where it's like in the federal scale,

00:38:23.500 there's no way me and a dude in Wisconsin ever have a personal problem with each other.

00:38:27.180 Right.

00:38:27.440 Right.

00:38:27.600 Right.

00:38:27.660 Right.

00:38:27.860 You know,

00:38:28.120 the county jail,

00:38:29.140 I had a lot of personal problems with people.

00:38:31.340 And what about a lot of gays in there?

00:38:33.080 Any,

00:38:33.300 any type of activity like that?

00:38:34.780 A lot of gay activity or was that,

00:38:36.260 is that you get to like prison,

00:38:37.560 prison,

00:38:37.920 you start having dudes that are,

00:38:39.220 you know,

00:38:39.660 busting their butt open.

00:38:40.860 Yeah.

00:38:41.180 But the county jail,

00:38:42.920 that's not happening.

00:38:43.560 I spent more time in the county jail than the big prison.

00:38:45.820 So,

00:38:45.920 cause I was more of a revolving door kind of criminal.

00:38:48.560 Go for a year or two,

00:38:49.680 come home,

00:38:50.260 go for a year or two,

00:38:51.180 come home.

00:38:51.740 You know,

00:38:51.920 I was just like a,

00:38:52.860 I was that guy.

00:38:53.980 Yeah.

00:38:54.200 Like,

00:38:54.460 Oh,

00:38:54.820 he's back.

00:38:55.460 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:56.400 That was like somebody that winters in Florida like that.

00:38:58.580 Yeah,

00:38:58.980 exactly.

00:39:00.060 Fucking totally right.

00:39:01.400 Like a guy that goes to losers,

00:39:03.460 you know,

00:39:03.840 once every two weeks or winners.

00:39:05.880 Oh yeah.

00:39:06.500 I was a red door kind of guy.

00:39:08.180 You know,

00:39:08.440 it's like,

00:39:08.700 I was just,

00:39:09.140 Oh,

00:39:09.220 he's back.

00:39:09.780 You know,

00:39:09.920 and there's a local bars.

00:39:11.000 People don't know that.

00:39:11.640 Yeah.

00:39:11.800 Yeah.

00:39:12.020 Yeah.

00:39:12.180 Oh yeah.

00:39:12.440 Sorry.

00:39:13.260 Super Nashville talk,

00:39:14.440 y'all.

00:39:14.840 So what about,

00:39:16.340 so when,

00:39:17.080 so when you kind of got,

00:39:18.580 when music kind of got,

00:39:19.880 kind of took over your life,

00:39:21.440 did that have an effect?

00:39:22.340 Like,

00:39:22.600 tell me kind of how you got,

00:39:24.360 how did you get into the music,

00:39:25.940 Dan?

00:39:26.760 I was just,

00:39:28.420 I started writing raps young just cause I didn't think I had a cool voice to sing,

00:39:32.820 you know,

00:39:33.140 and nobody in the family sang to teach me to sing.

00:39:35.620 So I would write like raps.

00:39:37.760 And that was obviously like,

00:39:38.700 I don't know how much of that we caught earlier,

00:39:40.700 but that was the language of the community.

00:39:43.240 Hip hop was the language of the neighborhood,

00:39:45.220 you know,

00:39:45.440 super mixed community.

00:39:46.760 I grew up like you,

00:39:47.960 you know what I'm saying?

00:39:48.700 Like,

00:39:48.820 it always is a poor neighborhood,

00:39:50.560 man.

00:39:50.780 It's really,

00:39:51.800 cause black shit is cool usually.

00:39:54.280 So it's like black shit always is the cool shit.

00:39:57.000 Right.

00:39:57.640 100%.

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.960 It's to this day,

00:40:01.380 hip hop has influenced every genre of music on earth.

00:40:05.040 For other people want to admit it or not.

00:40:06.660 I hear it the most in country music.

00:40:08.320 I mean,

00:40:08.560 I hear hip hop melodies,

00:40:10.260 hip hop drums,

00:40:11.180 808s.

00:40:11.760 That is just so prevalent in country music,

00:40:13.740 but you know,

00:40:14.960 hip hop was the language of the community.

00:40:16.900 So that was kind of what I got into first.

00:40:19.420 And I'd freestyle at tables and in juvenile,

00:40:21.600 I'd freestyle battle people.

00:40:23.220 And I tell this story,

00:40:24.680 it's my favorite story to tell about my father.

00:40:26.680 I was getting bound over as a juvenile and charged as an adult.

00:40:30.620 I had made a decision as a child that they warranted me being charged as an adult.

00:40:36.160 And I ended up with that felony on my record for a crime I committed at 16.

00:40:39.340 To this day,

00:40:39.860 I can't get rid of that felony.

00:40:41.780 And when they bowed me over,

00:40:43.680 the only good thing that happened was I got a bond.

00:40:46.100 I'm 17 years old.

00:40:47.500 I'm going to the county jail.

00:40:48.740 They let me call one person when I get to the county jail.

00:40:52.660 And who was it?

00:40:53.960 Pops.

00:40:54.580 100% of the time,

00:40:55.660 I'm calling my dad.

00:40:56.480 I'm calling my dad.

00:40:56.620 And he answered?

00:40:57.620 One.

00:40:58.080 Man,

00:40:58.500 that was my guy.

00:40:59.940 The dude supported me more than,

00:41:01.500 I can tell you buddy stories until I'm blue in the face.

00:41:03.740 He was the most supportive dude of my wild shit of anybody.

00:41:07.820 When I wanted to quit music,

00:41:09.180 probably six years,

00:41:10.040 five,

00:41:10.380 six years ago,

00:41:11.520 I sat down with him for seven years ago.

00:41:13.200 And I was like,

00:41:13.620 Pops,

00:41:14.580 I'm just,

00:41:15.100 I'm not,

00:41:15.440 it's not going to work.

00:41:15.960 I was sitting at the tin roof,

00:41:16.920 a bar right on the Mummer Street,

00:41:18.160 that they have a plaque with his name in there.

00:41:19.600 He was a legend at this spot.

00:41:21.060 Yeah,

00:41:21.280 this is in Nashville.

00:41:22.220 Yeah,

00:41:22.420 this is a super beautiful spot right on the Mummer.

00:41:24.100 You ever come through Swing Through?

00:41:25.720 And they serve everything out of plastic.

00:41:27.520 It's fucking great.

00:41:27.980 It's beautiful.

00:41:28.340 It was not the term I would use for it,

00:41:29.260 but it is a good spot.

00:41:30.600 Yeah,

00:41:30.620 for sure.

00:41:31.420 The higher floors you go,

00:41:33.220 it gets extremely sticky until you get,

00:41:34.980 you can't even leave,

00:41:35.780 I don't think,

00:41:36.100 the fourth floor.

00:41:36.840 Oh yeah.

00:41:37.380 Oh,

00:41:37.560 you're talking about the Broadway one though.

00:41:38.820 Oh yeah,

00:41:39.240 I'm thinking of that one.

00:41:39.400 I'm old school OG DeMumbrin,

00:41:41.180 right?

00:41:41.320 Oh okay,

00:41:41.740 nevermind.

00:41:42.040 I'm still the one that's right there in the,

00:41:42.980 yeah.

00:41:43.060 Oh yeah,

00:41:43.720 that one is nice.

00:41:44.480 Yeah,

00:41:44.720 and everything's served out of plastic,

00:41:46.360 which was fucking what my dad thought was the greatest,

00:41:48.580 because he'd take a drink to go with him every day.

00:41:51.020 You believe in stem cells?

00:41:52.460 I don't know anything about them,

00:41:53.780 dude.

00:41:54.140 Hell,

00:41:54.600 you're,

00:41:54.860 you've,

00:41:55.640 way beyond my pay grade of intelligence at this point.

00:42:01.320 I mean,

00:42:01.800 I want to get hair plugs.

00:42:02.880 Is that close to the same thing or no?

00:42:04.420 You're doing,

00:42:04.900 no,

00:42:06.000 you're doing fine,

00:42:06.700 I think on the hair man.

00:42:08.340 I'm hurting up,

00:42:09.220 listen man,

00:42:10.140 my fear in life is balding.

00:42:11.640 Is it?

00:42:12.140 I can't be fat and bald.

00:42:13.820 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:14.840 Dude,

00:42:15.040 listen dog,

00:42:15.600 when you're fat,

00:42:16.240 you got to pick struggles very intelligently,

00:42:19.200 Theo.

00:42:19.480 Really?

00:42:19.940 Yeah man,

00:42:20.500 I don't get to be,

00:42:21.140 you know,

00:42:21.420 you can have a kind of a smelly day and get away with it,

00:42:24.100 because you're an old handsome fucker.

00:42:25.780 Not me.

00:42:26.460 Damn.

00:42:26.840 If I'm fat and smelly,

00:42:27.820 it sticks forever.

00:42:28.860 I got to make sure I am smelling my best.

00:42:31.200 That's true, huh?

00:42:31.260 Yeah.

00:42:31.420 If you wake up and forget deodorant,

00:42:32.940 you're like,

00:42:33.140 oh,

00:42:33.260 little musty.

00:42:34.300 I'll wake up and forget deodorant.

00:42:35.640 That'll log.

00:42:36.440 That's a damn ecosystem,

00:42:37.740 huh?

00:42:38.000 Oh,

00:42:38.240 dude,

00:42:38.760 it will follow me like pig pen.

00:42:41.940 Oh,

00:42:42.080 you'll have moss on the north side by afternoon.

00:42:44.140 I can't afford,

00:42:44.820 I can't be fat and bald,

00:42:45.940 man.

00:42:46.540 Yeah.

00:42:47.060 Yeah,

00:42:47.460 because you're a bigger guy,

00:42:48.400 man.

00:42:48.580 What's it like being bigger?

00:42:50.100 Well,

00:42:50.280 you got to make sure every chair won't hurt you or break you.

00:42:53.040 You look first,

00:42:53.840 huh?

00:42:53.880 Well,

00:42:54.280 you've got to give a test,

00:42:55.620 you know what I'm saying?

00:42:56.440 For sure.

00:42:57.380 You got to ease into it.

00:42:58.480 Yeah,

00:42:58.540 man.

00:42:58.660 Damn,

00:42:59.100 I don't think about that kind of stuff.

00:43:00.560 And were you always a big guy since you were young?

00:43:02.440 Yeah,

00:43:02.740 dude,

00:43:02.920 I was fat as a kid,

00:43:03.940 man.

00:43:04.140 I've just always struggled with like,

00:43:06.780 and I think it's a part of my,

00:43:08.600 my personal mental health struggles,

00:43:10.640 right?

00:43:10.840 We all have our own things and our own demons and vices.

00:43:13.440 And for me,

00:43:14.120 I could literally go on a three day cocaine bender right now and wake up on the

00:43:18.920 fourth day and be like,

00:43:19.680 well,

00:43:19.820 that was a lot of fun and not do it again for weeks or months,

00:43:22.800 you know?

00:43:23.660 But dude,

00:43:24.380 you fucking set some snacks out somewhere and don't let me hover around more than two

00:43:27.880 or three minutes.

00:43:28.380 I'll start filling my pockets up.

00:43:29.700 Like I'm in jail and I'm never going to see them again.

00:43:31.960 Yeah.

00:43:32.200 I'm saying like for sure.

00:43:34.000 You want them snacks.

00:43:35.040 Yeah.

00:43:35.200 Yeah.

00:43:35.340 I'm all about the snacks.

00:43:37.100 Do you,

00:43:37.820 um,

00:43:38.920 does it scare you your way?

00:43:40.300 Does it worry you?

00:43:41.340 Yeah.

00:43:41.600 All the time,

00:43:42.200 dude.

00:43:42.280 I don't want to be this fat.

00:43:43.120 Hell,

00:43:43.240 I don't want people commenting on who's going to die.

00:43:45.360 It's going to happen for sure.

00:43:46.500 You know what I mean?

00:43:47.040 Oh,

00:43:47.380 damn,

00:43:47.900 bro.

00:43:48.060 It might be me writing it too,

00:43:50.020 bro.

00:43:50.480 Yeah.

00:43:50.640 I got a couple of ghost accounts.

00:43:52.800 A couple of ghost accounts.

00:43:54.040 You know,

00:43:54.220 it's like,

00:43:54.520 you don't want to go through that.

00:43:55.760 And I'm on the,

00:43:56.960 I got a nutritionist now and I've been working on working on my weight this year

00:43:59.980 more than I have in a long time.

00:44:02.300 But I also don't worry about as much as I should because I've been on this roller coaster

00:44:06.180 my whole life where I'm a little more plump right now,

00:44:09.720 but I can show you pictures when I was less plump and I can show you pictures when I was

00:44:13.140 more plump.

00:44:14.020 I just kind of,

00:44:14.960 you know,

00:44:15.100 it's kind of part of what I,

00:44:16.200 what I deal with just trying to get on the other side of the mountain.

00:44:19.040 Do you feel like,

00:44:20.420 um,

00:44:21.660 well,

00:44:22.180 what,

00:44:22.440 two questions.

00:44:22.840 Have you ever tried any,

00:44:23.640 like,

00:44:23.780 cause I know they do a lot of those surgeries and stuff.

00:44:25.700 You ever done anything like that where they like get into your system or whatever?

00:44:29.240 Yeah.

00:44:29.400 I'm just not with that.

00:44:30.520 Don't,

00:44:31.060 you know,

00:44:31.240 I'm not going to,

00:44:31.980 I don't know,

00:44:32.520 man.

00:44:32.700 Don't fuck.

00:44:33.260 I don't want to get cut on and all that old shit.

00:44:35.260 Yeah.

00:44:36.020 Yeah.

00:44:36.340 I just don't know what people do.

00:44:37.600 You know what?

00:44:38.140 The most selfish thing I can say right now is,

00:44:40.120 but it's real.

00:44:41.500 I've heard when you do the surgery,

00:44:43.940 it fucks with your ability to intake anything,

00:44:47.880 which I would love for that to be the case with food.

00:44:51.040 But like,

00:44:51.820 they were like,

00:44:52.300 well,

00:44:52.400 you can't drink more than a half gallon of water a day on,

00:44:55.360 or it'll make you sick.

00:44:57.560 What?

00:44:58.040 Like,

00:44:58.180 I don't want to spend my life.

00:44:59.740 I'd rather die young.

00:45:01.140 Yeah.

00:45:01.600 Not young like this,

00:45:02.580 but like,

00:45:02.940 you know,

00:45:03.300 then having to measure your water,

00:45:04.560 then have to measure my water.

00:45:06.300 You know what I'm saying?

00:45:07.020 Yeah.

00:45:07.240 Like just little stuff.

00:45:08.420 Like,

00:45:09.120 yeah.

00:45:09.340 When they started explaining some of the stuff to me,

00:45:11.380 because I went and talked to the dude,

00:45:12.840 you know what I mean?

00:45:13.520 Like,

00:45:13.700 there's not,

00:45:14.400 there's not a fat person on earth that can afford the surgery that hasn't at least went and talked to the person about the surgery.

00:45:20.300 Yeah.

00:45:20.980 You know,

00:45:21.340 and when he started explaining it to me,

00:45:22.880 I was just like,

00:45:23.620 and he was honest enough too.

00:45:24.700 He's like,

00:45:24.860 look,

00:45:25.060 man,

00:45:25.300 I think that if you just put your mind to it,

00:45:27.900 you'll lose the weight again.

00:45:28.820 It's been proven that you can lose the weight.

00:45:30.880 What hasn't been proven is that I can keep the weight off.

00:45:33.900 So that's what we got to figure out next.

00:45:35.620 That's such a struggle for so many people,

00:45:37.540 man.

00:45:37.960 You know,

00:45:38.320 I,

00:45:38.560 I don't know what that's like.

00:45:40.140 I know what's a struggle is like,

00:45:41.360 but I don't know what that struggle is like.

00:45:43.000 Do you feel though?

00:45:43.960 Also,

00:45:44.440 you're so recognizable as this like larger than life character.

00:45:50.340 Do you feel like being larger?

00:45:53.240 You almost have to be larger.

00:45:55.300 No,

00:45:55.780 it's like,

00:45:56.440 I think the real side of it is it's a decision to live.

00:46:01.220 And I'm just starting to make that decision.

00:46:03.900 I spent most of my life.

00:46:05.620 Oh yeah.

00:46:05.720 Not giving a fuck if I live or not.

00:46:07.140 Just not giving a fuck.

00:46:08.840 I feel like I tell people to this day,

00:46:11.500 like when I really start to get angry,

00:46:13.460 I have to,

00:46:14.640 I've had to have this moment with a few grown men in my life where I'm like,

00:46:17.180 dog,

00:46:17.620 do I look like somebody that cares?

00:46:20.060 Like you should really assess that before you talk to me crazy.

00:46:23.040 Like I have everything written on my body to show you,

00:46:26.320 I don't give a fuck about a lot.

00:46:28.160 You know what I mean?

00:46:28.820 And it's like,

00:46:29.400 I'm just starting to give a fuck.

00:46:31.680 Like I'm just looking at my 14 year old daughter.

00:46:33.640 Like I used to be like,

00:46:35.620 if I could just live till she's 18,

00:46:37.080 I'd be okay.

00:46:38.080 Now I'm starting to be like,

00:46:39.620 I'd like to meet my grandkids.

00:46:40.940 I think.

00:46:41.520 Yeah.

00:46:41.940 You know,

00:46:42.160 it's like,

00:46:42.400 you're starting to think about shit you didn't think about before.

00:46:44.860 And that kind of magical.

00:46:45.720 When those ideas come in your head,

00:46:47.160 I think,

00:46:47.860 make you believe you care about yourself.

00:46:49.900 Yes.

00:46:50.360 That's insane.

00:46:51.240 It's little stuff.

00:46:51.960 That's like,

00:46:52.520 I think I do want to meet my grandchildren.

00:46:55.120 Yeah.

00:46:55.600 So that's what made me hire a nutritionist before.

00:46:57.860 It was like a chore to be like,

00:46:59.600 I just want to stay alive till she's 18.

00:47:01.340 So I don't create any more unnecessary trauma in her life.

00:47:04.320 Yeah.

00:47:04.600 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:05.320 And then it's like,

00:47:06.560 you know,

00:47:06.820 it was about her and then it's kind of like selfishly.

00:47:09.340 Now it's about me.

00:47:10.100 It's like,

00:47:10.500 I don't know,

00:47:10.880 man,

00:47:11.020 I kind of want to hang out with the grandkids.

00:47:12.580 I kind of want to,

00:47:13.060 I kind of want to see where this thing ends up with her.

00:47:15.260 Yeah.

00:47:15.620 I want to see what jelly.

00:47:16.680 Yeah.

00:47:16.840 When jelly starts to kind of coagulate,

00:47:18.680 I want to be there.

00:47:19.420 Yeah,

00:47:19.640 for sure.

00:47:20.120 I want to kind of look,

00:47:20.960 cause like now she's cool enough at 14 that I'm like,

00:47:24.460 dude,

00:47:24.620 I bet she's going to kick ass at 25.

00:47:26.440 I want to see that.

00:47:27.400 Yeah.

00:47:27.760 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:28.300 Like,

00:47:28.480 oh dude,

00:47:28.740 she's going to be a whole different human at 35.

00:47:30.540 Fuck.

00:47:30.740 I didn't know my ear for my asshole at 25.

00:47:32.780 Wait till she's 35.

00:47:33.920 I'm like,

00:47:34.180 fuck,

00:47:34.540 I got to live for 30 years,

00:47:35.620 not 20.

00:47:36.180 You know what I mean?

00:47:36.620 Like,

00:47:36.880 oh God damn,

00:47:37.600 I ain't living right.

00:47:37.820 Damn,

00:47:38.020 I'm going to have to fucking stay alive.

00:47:39.740 I'm going to have to do a pushup or something.

00:47:41.320 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:42.400 What,

00:47:42.820 how'd you get the child?

00:47:44.780 Oh dude,

00:47:45.460 complete accident.

00:47:46.580 Really?

00:47:47.040 Yeah,

00:47:47.340 man,

00:47:47.640 for sure.

00:47:48.200 And was it like a one night stand deal or were you in love?

00:47:50.700 I was on and off with the girl for a long time,

00:47:52.980 man.

00:47:53.800 Well,

00:47:54.340 until I,

00:47:55.000 one of the,

00:47:55.480 one of my cycles of jail.

00:47:57.020 I had Bailey when I was in jail.

00:47:59.400 Okay.

00:48:00.040 You know what I mean?

00:48:00.680 It was kind of my thing.

00:48:01.900 So,

00:48:02.400 and did you,

00:48:03.880 was it your first girlfriend?

00:48:05.380 Was it,

00:48:05.680 was he the mother of the child?

00:48:08.200 Yeah.

00:48:08.720 Well,

00:48:08.900 not my first girlfriend,

00:48:10.020 but you know,

00:48:10.620 or one of my earlier,

00:48:11.600 earlier girlfriends,

00:48:12.720 believe it or not,

00:48:13.440 to be a big fellow,

00:48:14.160 I've always fancied myself with women.

00:48:16.720 Yeah.

00:48:17.220 I've always,

00:48:17.840 you know,

00:48:18.280 wife is a real,

00:48:20.000 your wife got them hammers on her,

00:48:21.460 baby.

00:48:21.580 She got the damn front yams.

00:48:24.140 She got the dog.

00:48:25.360 She is a stacked deck and she is a fucking sweetheart of a woman.

00:48:30.740 My God.

00:48:31.280 And she's a fucking pit bull when she needs to be.

00:48:33.700 I married a full blown German shepherd.

00:48:36.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:48:37.240 Yeah.

00:48:37.580 Yeah.

00:48:38.040 She,

00:48:38.360 she mixes the pot perfectly,

00:48:39.840 but I've always,

00:48:40.560 my wife tells people this is like,

00:48:42.780 I love it when she gets with people.

00:48:44.300 One,

00:48:44.440 they're like,

00:48:44.780 she,

00:48:45.180 she's a gold digger.

00:48:46.140 Like I was piss broke when I met Bunny.

00:48:47.940 She financially supported me for years.

00:48:49.980 Yeah.

00:48:50.780 Two.

00:48:51.320 And Bunny is his wife's name.

00:48:52.400 Yeah.

00:48:52.900 And Bunny got them rabbits.

00:48:54.340 Yeah.

00:48:54.840 I'll tell you that boy.

00:48:55.900 You know what I'm saying?

00:48:56.720 Mr. McGregor's garden,

00:48:58.480 son.

00:48:58.940 Motherfucking want to give her the carrot.

00:49:00.540 Yeah.

00:49:01.020 But,

00:49:01.180 but,

00:49:01.340 and then she'll tell people too,

00:49:04.740 like,

00:49:05.000 dude,

00:49:05.200 I'm not the first bad bitch.

00:49:07.240 My husband's ever fucked.

00:49:08.580 Like she's the first person to tell people,

00:49:10.220 like I've always fancied,

00:49:12.160 you know,

00:49:12.540 a good conversation with a nice lady.

00:49:14.580 Yeah.

00:49:14.980 So that wasn't,

00:49:15.620 she had,

00:49:15.900 so the girl I had a kid with wasn't my first one.

00:49:18.140 She was just the first one that the pullout technique didn't work with.

00:49:21.240 Oh really?

00:49:21.960 Yeah.

00:49:22.340 Yeah,

00:49:22.560 for sure.

00:49:23.140 Damn.

00:49:23.600 I got a son too.

00:49:24.500 He's almost six.

00:49:25.840 Oh really?

00:49:26.520 With Bunny?

00:49:27.420 No,

00:49:27.820 no,

00:49:28.200 not a different relationship.

00:49:29.600 They kind of co-excited there,

00:49:31.180 but I just,

00:49:32.440 I,

00:49:32.860 this girl was pregnant.

00:49:33.800 We wasn't together and I didn't really know much about the situation with the pregnancy.

00:49:37.440 Like,

00:49:37.700 you know,

00:49:37.920 whatever.

00:49:38.480 Yeah.

00:49:38.880 I knew she was pregnant and I knew it was mine,

00:49:40.820 but we wasn't together at the time she got pregnant and me and Bunny started courting each other.

00:49:45.080 Yeah.

00:49:45.600 And it's a longer story,

00:49:46.980 but yeah,

00:49:47.880 she's not my favorite story to tell.

00:49:49.340 But yeah,

00:49:49.540 I got a son too and he's cool as fuck.

00:49:51.260 What about that first girlfriend?

00:49:52.660 You remember that one?

00:49:53.540 Or first kiss?

00:49:54.360 Take me there,

00:49:54.920 man.

00:49:55.100 Take me on a little bit of that adventure.

00:49:56.360 Oh dude,

00:49:56.660 it was the girl across the street.

00:49:57.980 It always is that bitch.

00:49:59.060 Was your girl across the street too?

00:50:00.620 I,

00:50:01.160 I think it was dude.

00:50:03.800 They had this girl across the street from me and had that Lloyd Christmas on her,

00:50:07.000 bro.

00:50:07.140 She was chipped out.

00:50:08.180 You know what I'm saying?

00:50:08.840 Oh dude.

00:50:09.460 She had that sand wedge.

00:50:10.980 A little shit like that's kind of cute though,

00:50:12.380 right?

00:50:12.400 Oh,

00:50:12.800 I thought it was,

00:50:13.720 I'd never seen it.

00:50:14.640 Yeah.

00:50:15.040 You know,

00:50:15.380 it was just damn beautiful.

00:50:16.540 Her tooth had that damn cowlick,

00:50:18.120 you know?

00:50:18.980 And,

00:50:19.380 uh,

00:50:20.580 and some people locked us in a room,

00:50:22.260 some adults and,

00:50:23.180 you know,

00:50:24.020 perverts really.

00:50:25.080 And they were like watching through the door and yelling,

00:50:27.220 kiss and fuck.

00:50:28.960 And we didn't know anything about it,

00:50:30.760 man.

00:50:31.140 You know?

00:50:32.000 And she was the cutest girl.

00:50:33.320 Chrissy was her name.

00:50:34.180 And she,

00:50:34.400 we ended up,

00:50:35.120 so we just kissed,

00:50:36.000 you know,

00:50:36.660 Chrissy.

00:50:37.020 I think that was my first kiss.

00:50:38.560 And then there was another time,

00:50:41.080 this beautiful girl,

00:50:42.240 we were playing spin the bottle,

00:50:43.840 dude.

00:50:44.180 And I don't even know.

00:50:45.580 I,

00:50:45.980 I was so scared to even sit at this circle.

00:50:48.260 I was sitting,

00:50:48.680 we were sitting in the circle.

00:50:50.060 And for years,

00:50:51.040 I remember thinking we were sitting around a fire.

00:50:53.100 And then I just remembered that's how scared I was.

00:50:56.240 I felt like there was a fire in front of me because some,

00:50:59.640 there was a chance there could be a kiss.

00:51:02.040 Yes.

00:51:02.580 And this girl named Emily,

00:51:04.260 man,

00:51:04.540 the bottle stopped on her.

00:51:05.920 And I always thought like somewhere like in the last Chasm or whatever of my

00:51:11.000 heart that she cared,

00:51:13.000 thought,

00:51:13.320 thought about me,

00:51:14.420 you know,

00:51:14.920 thought I was,

00:51:15.620 you know,

00:51:15.960 a try or whatever.

00:51:16.700 I don't know.

00:51:18.040 And she got to pick whoever she wanted in the circle,

00:51:20.640 dude.

00:51:20.780 And she came over to me and fucking the fire guy,

00:51:23.860 you know,

00:51:24.040 people were throwing logs on the fire.

00:51:25.700 I'm just so scared.

00:51:27.280 And I remembered seeing on television,

00:51:29.300 I think on Magnum PI,

00:51:31.480 somebody,

00:51:32.720 you kiss somebody with their mouth open,

00:51:34.560 you know?

00:51:34.940 And so that's,

00:51:36.260 so she comes in to kiss me.

00:51:37.480 And I just remember just being like,

00:51:40.120 like open my mouth up real wide,

00:51:42.120 you know,

00:51:42.480 and everybody laughed at me and she still tried to kiss me kind of,

00:51:46.500 but it was just fucking embarrassing.

00:51:47.680 But anyway,

00:51:49.060 man,

00:51:49.540 what happened to you?

00:51:50.960 Wasn't that cool?

00:51:52.160 It was a girl.

00:51:54.020 It's a little dude.

00:51:56.580 I've seen the pain.

00:51:57.580 I felt bad for a second.

00:51:59.180 I was a girl across the street.

00:52:00.720 Her name was Krista Hayes,

00:52:01.740 Krista Renee Hayes.

00:52:02.640 I remember Renee,

00:52:03.580 dude,

00:52:03.700 I'll tell you this every poor kid,

00:52:05.600 their middle name.

00:52:06.280 The girl is Renee Renee.

00:52:08.200 It is.

00:52:08.800 No,

00:52:09.480 for sure.

00:52:10.080 I got two nieces from the same mother and both of us middle names are Renee.

00:52:15.360 No,

00:52:15.840 those families have middle names.

00:52:17.200 Like ours is Ann.

00:52:18.520 I dated two girls that had the middle name Ann and my daughter then had the middle name Ann.

00:52:22.880 Yeah.

00:52:23.200 So it's fucking,

00:52:23.980 it's that my grandmother's name was Margaret Elizabeth Ann or Margaret Ann.

00:52:27.980 But Renee's that poor,

00:52:29.020 Renee's poor white middle name.

00:52:30.340 Good food for her.

00:52:30.880 Sure.

00:52:31.260 Yeah.

00:52:31.460 It's just got a,

00:52:31.920 it's got a,

00:52:32.400 it feels razzly-dazzly.

00:52:34.040 Yeah.

00:52:34.480 Renee.

00:52:35.360 Yeah.

00:52:36.000 Krista Renee Hayes.

00:52:37.420 Especially her name was Hayes,

00:52:38.420 so I thought the nay in Hayes was cool.

00:52:40.360 Krista Renee Hayes.

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.280 Yeah.

00:52:42.460 She was my first kiss,

00:52:43.620 man.

00:52:43.980 She was a little blonde girl across the street.

00:52:45.660 God,

00:52:46.080 she sounds beautiful.

00:52:46.980 She was cute as a button,

00:52:48.060 dude.

00:52:48.220 She was a little bitty thing and she was awesome.

00:52:50.520 That was my first kiss.

00:52:51.360 My first blow job was outside of a girl's group home.

00:52:54.360 Oh yeah,

00:52:54.980 I could see that.

00:52:56.300 Yeah,

00:52:56.720 right?

00:52:57.100 I could easily see that.

00:52:58.020 The dudes' group home and the girls' group home was by each other.

00:53:00.500 Yeah.

00:53:00.960 And what happened?

00:53:01.620 You snuck over there?

00:53:02.620 Yeah,

00:53:02.880 but we used to meet outside and hang out because we were allowed to hang out outside.

00:53:06.620 And then one day we went over by the house where the air conditioning unit.

00:53:10.360 Air conditioning unit,

00:53:11.420 bro.

00:53:11.640 Yeah,

00:53:11.780 right there by the air conditioning unit.

00:53:13.260 Why don't air conditioning units advertise you can get blown behind here?

00:53:17.020 They're the best,

00:53:17.720 dude.

00:53:18.200 Dude,

00:53:18.800 and it's the noise kind of,

00:53:20.400 you know,

00:53:20.720 makes you feel like more cover.

00:53:22.600 Yeah,

00:53:22.800 and if you fuck on top of it,

00:53:24.040 it kind of shakes and it gives off a little like hot air.

00:53:27.060 Like that's what we needed.

00:53:28.060 You know how the thing is up top?

00:53:29.380 It gets a little like,

00:53:29.880 it's like a,

00:53:30.700 like a stove thing kind of on top of it.

00:53:33.800 It blows a little hot air.

00:53:34.720 Oh yeah.

00:53:35.500 It is kind of sexy.

00:53:36.620 But I went over there,

00:53:37.180 Japanese almost kind of.

00:53:38.300 I got my first blow job and I knew right then that that was fucking the greatest thing ever.

00:53:43.420 Oh,

00:53:43.540 you was into blow jobs at that point?

00:53:44.800 Oh dude,

00:53:45.360 listen,

00:53:45.740 I mean,

00:53:46.060 I knew that I was excited to get the pussy and it was a little let down compared to what the blowy was.

00:53:51.160 Oh yeah.

00:53:51.540 You know what I'm saying?

00:53:52.440 So,

00:53:52.800 yeah.

00:53:53.060 Fucking ever since then,

00:53:54.460 it's kind of,

00:53:54.900 you know,

00:53:55.040 the other thing's almost a chore.

00:53:56.400 It's like,

00:53:56.720 oh,

00:53:56.840 we got to do that.

00:53:58.080 Yeah.

00:53:58.480 There's something interesting about somebody being willing to admit they're willing to put their face on your penis.

00:54:02.380 Yeah.

00:54:02.600 For absolute choice.

00:54:03.700 Until the point of it spitting.

00:54:06.220 Yeah.

00:54:06.540 You know what I'm saying?

00:54:07.340 That whole shit is just fucking wild.

00:54:09.980 When you hit pure,

00:54:10.800 yeah,

00:54:11.100 there's,

00:54:11.660 you know,

00:54:11.940 I remember this gal tried to give me a BJ and,

00:54:14.940 I mean,

00:54:16.400 once,

00:54:16.700 well,

00:54:17.260 a couple times.

00:54:17.960 One time I was at a party,

00:54:18.960 we were going to sneak off into the woods.

00:54:21.600 And the woods,

00:54:22.980 we didn't know it was swampland,

00:54:24.380 right?

00:54:24.620 So,

00:54:24.860 we're back there 30,

00:54:27.200 40 yards into these woods and it's like that,

00:54:29.060 remember that movie Artex and the Swamp of Sadness?

00:54:31.260 It's just,

00:54:31.780 damn,

00:54:31.920 we're up to our necks and damn,

00:54:34.140 I mean,

00:54:34.740 leeches,

00:54:35.360 I mean,

00:54:35.500 who knows?

00:54:35.960 I mean,

00:54:36.260 there's no potential.

00:54:37.300 I mean,

00:54:37.480 mother nature's blowing me at this point.

00:54:39.780 Something's blowing me.

00:54:41.020 You know what I'm saying?

00:54:41.940 It's thick.

00:54:42.880 We're in some sludge.

00:54:43.620 It could have legit been a goddamn alligator.

00:54:45.600 It could have been anything,

00:54:46.820 for sure.

00:54:47.460 It could have been a toothless alligator,

00:54:49.140 boy,

00:54:49.420 you know what I'm saying?

00:54:50.700 Humming nub down there.

00:54:52.360 A toothless alligator.

00:54:52.720 But I'll tell you this,

00:54:53.780 man,

00:54:54.180 so we couldn't do it because of weather,

00:54:56.960 you know,

00:54:57.220 logistics.

00:54:57.940 Right.

00:54:58.500 So then two or three weeks later,

00:55:00.100 there's another party.

00:55:02.420 So y'all had a rain delay.

00:55:03.880 Oh,

00:55:04.180 yeah,

00:55:04.280 yeah.

00:55:04.860 Rescheduled the game.

00:55:06.080 The first year,

00:55:07.260 think about it.

00:55:08.460 You're finna get your first blowjob.

00:55:10.480 Ref calling it off.

00:55:11.120 The game gets called off.

00:55:12.980 And that had been,

00:55:15.060 I mean,

00:55:15.340 it was the Bear Grylls of,

00:55:16.860 you know,

00:55:17.020 we were out in the,

00:55:17.620 you know,

00:55:17.900 it was damn,

00:55:18.740 it was,

00:55:19.040 I was getting hungry.

00:55:19.840 That's how long I was out there.

00:55:21.620 So then the next time was another party and me and her snuck outside and she starts to give me some type of a blowjob or something.

00:55:30.800 And the girl who's palcet is the mom comes out from behind a tree,

00:55:36.060 dude.

00:55:36.560 And we're right there.

00:55:39.720 And she's like,

00:55:41.160 what's going on?

00:55:42.020 And,

00:55:42.280 um,

00:55:42.700 I didn't know what to say.

00:55:43.780 And you're like,

00:55:44.160 you know what's going on lady.

00:55:45.860 And I felt like she kind of should have known,

00:55:48.260 you know,

00:55:48.680 but I remember to saying that,

00:55:50.820 uh,

00:55:51.740 this girl was washing my penis.

00:55:53.620 I remember saying,

00:55:54.500 and the mom looked at me like I was such an asshole for saying that.

00:56:00.920 And I said it off the tip of my tongue.

00:56:02.380 I thought it wasn't that bad of a thing to say.

00:56:05.060 And,

00:56:05.500 uh,

00:56:06.080 and she made us go back to the,

00:56:07.560 she just like,

00:56:08.060 you guys go back to the party.

00:56:09.460 And she didn't even get to enjoy it.

00:56:10.940 She got rained out the first time and got fucking flag on the plate the second time.

00:56:14.760 And then some guy at school beat me up and,

00:56:18.440 you just stole her from me.

00:56:19.900 No,

00:56:20.440 because he heard she was giving blowjobs.

00:56:23.200 Oh,

00:56:23.560 fuck.

00:56:26.740 Yeah.

00:56:28.140 Damn,

00:56:28.720 man.

00:56:29.300 God,

00:56:29.580 the worst feeling in the world is getting your ass kicked about a piece of pussy.

00:56:32.280 You didn't get,

00:56:32.900 you know what I'm saying?

00:56:34.420 Fuck man.

00:56:35.340 Oh,

00:56:35.680 man,

00:56:36.420 that time was fun,

00:56:37.380 man.

00:56:37.840 God,

00:56:38.220 it was fun.

00:56:38.860 No,

00:56:39.080 I still remember my first Hummer.

00:56:40.680 It was fucking absolutely awesome.

00:56:42.560 It was a thing.

00:56:44.500 I still remember her name too.

00:56:45.700 It was Anita.

00:56:46.540 Oh yeah,

00:56:47.040 really?

00:56:47.520 Oh yeah.

00:56:47.900 Anita is an interesting name.

00:56:49.680 Yeah,

00:56:50.000 it was another one of those names.

00:56:51.680 Spanish lady?

00:56:52.200 No,

00:56:52.560 no,

00:56:52.840 she was all American purebred white trash like myself.

00:56:56.160 Amen.

00:56:56.740 Yeah,

00:56:57.140 Anita.

00:56:57.580 I could see that being,

00:56:58.480 that's very much.

00:56:59.720 I could see that being like also a white kind of white trash name.

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00:58:05.000 So then how did the music really start to pop up?

00:58:07.460 When did that start to really bloom in your life?

00:58:09.460 You know,

00:58:09.840 when I was incarcerated the last time,

00:58:13.220 all stories go back to this.

00:58:16.540 Sadly.

00:58:18.360 Now,

00:58:18.840 are you behind bars?

00:58:20.160 Actually,

00:58:20.620 you just like in a little room with a door.

00:58:23.340 Well,

00:58:23.880 I've always wondered that.

00:58:25.140 Every jail is different.

00:58:25.840 They have some that are actually like barred.

00:58:27.660 You prefer the bars or the door?

00:58:29.300 A door.

00:58:30.160 A little more privacy.

00:58:31.820 You know,

00:58:32.060 there's a little peep window there.

00:58:33.860 You know what I mean?

00:58:34.340 A little pie flap.

00:58:35.260 They'll hand you food through if you're locked down or something.

00:58:38.040 And do y'all have any sports groups in there?

00:58:40.100 Yeah,

00:58:40.660 I boxed whenever I was young.

00:58:42.540 And it's my love for fighting.

00:58:44.600 And still like as a fight fan,

00:58:46.040 a boxing fan,

00:58:46.820 we had a program at one of the facilities.

00:58:49.340 And they had basketball courts at most of them.

00:58:51.500 But you know what I'm really good at because of juvenile?

00:58:53.620 I'm fucking Forrest Gump with a ping pong paddle, Theo.

00:58:56.800 Really?

00:58:57.120 Dude,

00:58:57.720 I could be an Olympian.

00:58:59.780 It's crazy.

00:59:01.020 I fucking fuck Forrest up.

00:59:03.140 Wow.

00:59:03.540 I haven't played in years.

00:59:04.920 Anytime I'm getting drunk and find a ping pong table,

00:59:06.940 I just goddamn go in there.

00:59:08.460 You feel it, huh?

00:59:09.420 Pow, pow, pow, pow.

00:59:10.500 I look like fucking the fat Serena Williams.

00:59:12.560 Just fucking moving, baby.

00:59:14.620 I can fucking play ping pong, dude.

00:59:16.720 Because I wasn't good enough to get on the basketball court

00:59:18.640 with all the black guys.

00:59:19.560 So, you know,

00:59:20.320 I just held court at the ping pong table in juvenile.

00:59:23.540 I like that.

00:59:24.480 That was my thing.

00:59:26.240 But, yeah,

00:59:26.720 but I was,

00:59:27.780 the last time I was in jail, jail.

00:59:29.840 Yeah.

00:59:31.060 And I knew that Bailey was born while I was incarcerated.

00:59:36.120 That's my daughter.

00:59:36.760 That's my oldest.

00:59:37.480 That's my fourth junior.

00:59:37.580 And did that bang you up?

00:59:39.220 Yeah, I mean,

00:59:39.800 it fucked with me.

00:59:40.500 You know what I'm saying?

00:59:41.120 It was like,

00:59:41.420 it was the most first moment where I realized I couldn't be selfish.

00:59:44.960 So, I was like selfish as far as like I had a reason to live outside of self

00:59:50.400 because I tell people all the time without purpose,

00:59:54.680 Jason D. Ford will drive him.

00:59:57.120 He's a train that's destined to wreck.

01:00:00.140 Yeah.

01:00:00.600 Right?

01:00:01.040 It's purpose that drives me every day.

01:00:03.160 It's providing for my daughter.

01:00:04.660 It's making music that helps people.

01:00:06.600 It's helping friends.

01:00:08.160 It's building stuff bigger than myself

01:00:10.300 because I put so little value into myself, obviously, right?

01:00:14.960 So, at that moment, I was like,

01:00:17.420 I got to do something.

01:00:18.260 I can't,

01:00:18.840 I don't want to be an absent father.

01:00:20.440 I had a very present father.

01:00:22.200 I didn't want to be an absent father.

01:00:23.960 And I was like,

01:00:24.560 I need to, you know,

01:00:25.260 I need to stand up and do something here.

01:00:26.680 And my skill sets are still to this day utterly fucking limited.

01:00:32.180 Minimal?

01:00:32.540 Yeah, dude, I'm not good at much.

01:00:34.180 I mean, ping pong and songs and talking shit a little bit.

01:00:38.180 And that fucking,

01:00:39.040 and there it stops.

01:00:40.520 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:41.420 It's like,

01:00:41.740 Man, that is a short list.

01:00:42.860 Yeah, I'm not going to win a talent show or anything.

01:00:44.960 Anything like that.

01:00:45.720 If I had to do something other than what I do now.

01:00:48.200 Right.

01:00:49.100 And I was like,

01:00:49.940 Man, I don't,

01:00:50.480 you know,

01:00:50.680 music's got to be it.

01:00:52.700 So, I came home and started putting out mixtapes.

01:00:54.720 I'll tell you where I got fucking,

01:00:56.300 can I ask them to pull up something?

01:00:57.460 Can I have a pull up something moment?

01:00:58.420 Yeah.

01:00:59.100 Pull up Jelly Roll 10 Minute Freestyle.

01:01:01.580 My buddy Chad Arms recorded this.

01:01:04.440 And he had like a Sony flip cam or something

01:01:07.560 when I first got out.

01:01:08.640 Mm-hmm.

01:01:09.460 And, yep, right there.

01:01:10.780 And this is the second or third time we put it up, right?

01:01:17.580 So, this particular video was early, early to it.

01:01:24.080 This was, we put this up in 16,

01:01:25.900 but I actually had it up before

01:01:29.220 from in like 2008 or nine.

01:01:34.460 Yeah, that's me fresh out.

01:01:35.320 I mean, when I say fresh out of jail,

01:01:36.820 like I had just got that haircut.

01:01:38.960 My homeboy had just bought me that shirt.

01:01:40.900 I can tell that this is very near a halfway house

01:01:43.460 because that guy in the Hustler shirt is always with,

01:01:47.020 he's always in the background of every halfway house video.

01:01:49.280 Yes, no, for sure, dude.

01:01:50.400 That guy Frank or whatever his name is?

01:01:51.820 Yeah.

01:01:51.860 I mean, I know he's not,

01:01:52.660 he probably is Frank.

01:01:53.320 It's my Uncle T-Shot.

01:01:54.500 Is he really?

01:01:55.180 He's like a Frank, I get the theme.

01:01:56.880 But, dude, that dude is in the background.

01:01:58.280 This is like that kind of a thing, for sure.

01:02:00.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:00.440 Like, you know, I'm fresh out.

01:02:02.600 The lady I was with at the time bought me a phone.

01:02:05.440 This is how old this was.

01:02:06.700 I referenced the phone because in the Freestyle,

01:02:09.140 I say, your baby mama loved me,

01:02:11.140 been out of jail for a week and got a touchscreen.

01:02:13.560 It was like a big deal to have a touchscreen phone back then,

01:02:15.960 for me at least.

01:02:17.140 This was like two,

01:02:17.840 the first time it came out was in 2008.

01:02:20.280 Let's see that shit.

01:02:21.120 Run it up.

01:02:21.620 Team 5 for a half a pluck

01:02:23.720 and I ain't tripping,

01:02:24.900 that's the real price.

01:02:26.080 Jelly Roll is real white,

01:02:27.360 but still got the coke and it's real nice.

01:02:29.940 It's got a beige tip,

01:02:31.100 but sometimes it's real white.

01:02:32.920 And you don't know what a hundred stacks feels like.

01:02:35.940 It's cash deal.

01:02:36.880 I said it's cash deal.

01:02:38.360 I ain't got a gram to sell you.

01:02:39.880 I crush up an ass deal.

01:02:41.520 I'm ready to have my money, man.

01:02:43.080 I'm on the paper table.

01:02:44.040 Yeah, so this is it, right?

01:02:45.680 If you ever got 10 minutes to blow,

01:02:47.180 it's worth watching.

01:02:48.000 Dang, baby.

01:02:48.360 It was just like fresh out of jail with a lot to say.

01:02:51.540 And we uploaded it in 2008,

01:02:54.020 when I,

01:02:54.380 no, my fault,

01:02:55.320 2009,

01:02:57.040 when I first got home.

01:02:58.500 And where does all that come from?

01:02:59.860 So how do you get to this place though?

01:03:01.580 I see that,

01:03:02.100 you know,

01:03:02.420 like your mother had issues.

01:03:04.760 She probably maybe had some type of alcoholism or something.

01:03:07.260 You know,

01:03:07.400 you said that she had some issues,

01:03:08.720 right?

01:03:08.960 Right, right.

01:03:09.300 But how do you get to be this guy,

01:03:11.340 you know?

01:03:12.080 Hip hop.

01:03:12.980 I was just rapping everywhere I went,

01:03:14.660 dude.

01:03:14.780 I was in the county jail holding court,

01:03:16.540 dude.

01:03:16.780 I had guards that would take me to different units to freestyle battle people.

01:03:21.600 Before Eminem did the 8 Mile movie,

01:03:23.900 I was living the 8 Mile movie.

01:03:25.780 Wow.

01:03:26.300 Right?

01:03:26.620 In jail.

01:03:27.380 And in jail.

01:03:27.720 Dude,

01:03:27.920 I had a guy named Jazz Howard.

01:03:29.460 Shout out to Jazz Howard from Crosstratx.

01:03:31.680 He would take me to different barbershops and different projects in Nashville

01:03:35.600 and bet $10,000 cash.

01:03:37.820 I could out-wrap any rapper in that project.

01:03:41.260 So,

01:03:41.400 you know,

01:03:41.540 the local barbershop would like send somebody to the neighborhood real quick,

01:03:44.220 like shoot over there and grab such and such and such and such and so.

01:03:46.540 Grab Ducky.

01:03:47.520 I'd fuck him up.

01:03:49.000 I'd light his ass on fire.

01:03:50.900 Grab Mouse Mouse.

01:03:52.140 Dude,

01:03:52.240 Jazz,

01:03:52.560 give me a couple grand.

01:03:53.640 I was like fucking,

01:03:54.560 yeah.

01:03:55.120 Like I was like in jail.

01:03:58.460 Back to the jail story.

01:03:59.960 When I come home,

01:04:00.700 dad bails me out.

01:04:01.400 I call dad.

01:04:01.960 I say,

01:04:02.180 dad,

01:04:02.340 I need you to come bail me out.

01:04:03.640 I said,

01:04:03.980 I'm going to pay you back.

01:04:04.760 They got a freestyle battle Sunday at this club.

01:04:07.820 I need to borrow $100 so I can enter it.

01:04:09.940 I need you to bail me out.

01:04:10.920 Give me a hundred bucks and I'm going to go into this and I'm going to win $1,000.

01:04:14.420 Yeah.

01:04:14.640 He didn't blink.

01:04:15.240 He was like,

01:04:15.540 yeah,

01:04:15.660 whatever,

01:04:15.960 go do it.

01:04:16.720 And I had to,

01:04:17.340 they had to sneak me in because I wasn't old enough to get in.

01:04:19.680 It was Sunday night,

01:04:20.660 outer limits.

01:04:22.080 Eric McAnally,

01:04:23.280 Joseph Herbert are running the promotional company there.

01:04:25.920 They sneak me in.

01:04:26.900 I go in,

01:04:27.860 win $1,000 right then.

01:04:29.700 You must have been shut up.

01:04:30.620 Came home,

01:04:30.920 showed my pops.

01:04:31.740 He was like,

01:04:32.040 hell yeah,

01:04:32.540 son.

01:04:32.780 I was like,

01:04:33.240 listen,

01:04:33.960 I'm going to go back and win it again next week.

01:04:35.680 They did it for 10 weeks.

01:04:37.120 For nine weeks,

01:04:38.240 I went in there and won.

01:04:40.580 $1,000 every time.

01:04:42.280 True fucking story.

01:04:43.380 And do you think-

01:04:44.060 I lost one week out of 10.

01:04:45.480 And what cost you that one week?

01:04:46.860 You know who beat me?

01:04:47.800 Who was it?

01:04:48.200 This is going to fuck y'all up.

01:04:49.600 You ever seen my boy,

01:04:50.900 Kyle Hill on Broadway with the drums?

01:04:53.240 He sits on Broadway and raps.

01:04:54.880 Oh,

01:04:55.300 in downtown Nashville?

01:04:56.240 Right downtown Nashville on Broadway.

01:04:57.760 You got to go see him.

01:04:58.700 He's there every weekend.

01:04:59.920 He sets a drum kit up in front of merchants.

01:05:02.520 And he beats and he freestyles while people are walking by.

01:05:05.980 Right?

01:05:06.280 And he makes a living doing this.

01:05:08.240 He's the dude that beat me.

01:05:09.740 He's the one dude that beat me.

01:05:11.320 And I'm still friends with him to this day.

01:05:13.380 He's on Instagram as Broadway rapper.

01:05:15.240 But he's my boy.

01:05:16.140 And to this day,

01:05:16.760 he's the only one that beat me.

01:05:17.340 Yeah,

01:05:17.440 but I went and did that.

01:05:18.020 I've just always been into rap.

01:05:19.720 So I came home from jail,

01:05:21.800 uploaded this.

01:05:22.740 It fucking went viral back then.

01:05:24.940 We had to take it down

01:05:25.700 because I have a line in there

01:05:26.540 that says in my PO ass,

01:05:27.660 I hang drywall.

01:05:28.680 Yeah.

01:05:29.080 And my PO made me take it down.

01:05:31.920 She was like,

01:05:32.420 we're going to violate your probation.

01:05:33.660 You're making a mockery

01:05:34.500 of the state of Tennessee.

01:05:35.580 She like scolded me.

01:05:37.480 And I had to take it down.

01:05:38.780 So we put it up many years later,

01:05:40.300 but it went what they called viral back then.

01:05:42.180 Early,

01:05:42.580 early YouTube,

01:05:43.360 dude.

01:05:43.780 When you had to go,

01:05:44.560 when you could only get to YouTube

01:05:45.660 from a hard computer.

01:05:46.920 Yeah.

01:05:47.360 You know,

01:05:47.700 you didn't have a laptop.

01:05:48.440 You had to go to desktop,

01:05:49.860 type in www.youtube.com.

01:05:52.120 You had to write it all the way out.

01:05:53.020 Yeah,

01:05:53.220 all the way down.

01:05:53.900 You had to hit the W's on there.

01:05:55.120 You know,

01:05:55.320 it was a thing.

01:05:56.100 So now you're at the spot though

01:05:59.040 where you have the number five song.

01:06:01.200 Yes,

01:06:01.500 sir.

01:06:02.460 And on the rock?

01:06:03.980 Rock radio,

01:06:04.780 yes,

01:06:04.860 sir.

01:06:04.880 On rock radio.

01:06:05.620 Yes,

01:06:05.860 sir.

01:06:06.000 So how do you get from where you were then to now?

01:06:09.300 Like what kind of happened?

01:06:10.260 Take me through some more of it.

01:06:13.080 I fell in love with songwriting

01:06:14.720 through the process of writing raps.

01:06:17.120 I immediately,

01:06:18.180 I was boxed into being a freestyle rapper.

01:06:20.900 Okay.

01:06:21.300 And I was like,

01:06:21.900 I don't want to be known for that.

01:06:23.060 So I started writing like songs

01:06:24.700 and all of my choruses were really soulful

01:06:27.380 and I'd rap the verses.

01:06:28.540 I had a song called,

01:06:29.360 you pull up Jelly Roll,

01:06:30.980 Riding All Alone.

01:06:31.860 And I had this record called Riding All Alone

01:06:34.000 and it was really slow

01:06:35.620 and being a little white.

01:06:37.220 First of all,

01:06:37.600 a little white from 3-6 Mafia.

01:06:38.880 You probably remember Oxytocin,

01:06:39.980 James Bar,

01:06:40.640 Perker Sesson,

01:06:41.240 Luretabs.

01:06:42.160 Still one of my best friends to this day.

01:06:44.220 And when I first came home from jail.

01:06:44.800 We're from Memphis, huh?

01:06:45.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:46.300 He's Memphis' fuck too.

01:06:47.840 When I first came home from jail,

01:06:49.080 we did a song together

01:06:50.060 and Juicy J and DJ Paul

01:06:51.580 ended up 3-6 Mafia producing an album

01:06:53.800 with me,

01:06:54.780 white,

01:06:55.000 and a guy named Pee Peezy.

01:06:56.640 But outside of the first song

01:06:58.740 I put out with him,

01:06:59.380 I started putting out these super like

01:07:00.780 soulful joints like this.

01:07:02.920 Maybe go to like the,

01:07:04.000 minute mark or something.

01:07:04.980 I just want you to hear the chorus

01:07:05.980 so you can kind of get a feel

01:07:07.000 for where I'm coming from here.

01:07:11.720 And see,

01:07:12.300 this was released in 2010.

01:07:15.360 Right?

01:07:15.820 So this is,

01:07:16.280 you know,

01:07:17.120 fucking 12 years ago,

01:07:18.120 right?

01:07:26.000 Right here.

01:07:27.200 Watch this.

01:07:27.860 Check this out.

01:07:28.340 You can stop right there,

01:07:47.720 Hanson.

01:07:48.680 But it's like,

01:07:49.120 sing baby.

01:07:49.700 Yeah,

01:07:49.920 but it's like this,

01:07:50.700 you know,

01:07:50.940 12,

01:07:51.280 13 years ago,

01:07:52.180 right?

01:07:52.420 Cause if it went to YouTube.

01:07:53.180 That would be good.

01:07:53.740 That would be good.

01:07:55.340 I mean,

01:07:55.700 that's good now.

01:07:56.500 Yeah.

01:07:57.100 So then.

01:07:58.040 I didn't realize I was singing that chorus.

01:08:00.700 Right?

01:08:01.120 You know what I mean?

01:08:01.560 Like I didn't register to me that I was singing

01:08:03.400 cause I wouldn't like open up and sing it.

01:08:06.040 You know what I mean?

01:08:06.680 So I just kind of like did this like talk,

01:08:08.860 sing thing.

01:08:09.520 Cause I wasn't confident in my voice.

01:08:11.060 So I've kind of always knew.

01:08:12.840 And this is something else.

01:08:13.680 I'm glad I got to show this to a platform as big as yours

01:08:15.900 because the therapeutic music that I make now that's so personal

01:08:21.220 has always been my approach to music.

01:08:24.600 Like when you listen to that,

01:08:25.740 I'm talking about doctor said,

01:08:26.920 if I don't quit,

01:08:27.560 quit living like this,

01:08:28.980 I won't live to see 35.

01:08:30.580 I just keep on smoking.

01:08:31.680 Like fucking I'm prepared to die.

01:08:32.840 I've always wrote from that kind of dark perspective,

01:08:37.260 you know?

01:08:38.080 Yeah.

01:08:38.480 Cause I'll listen to save me sometimes when I need to feel how

01:08:41.680 sometimes I'm too busy.

01:08:43.060 I noticed are too caught up to really just get my own feelings

01:08:48.140 out.

01:08:48.640 Right.

01:08:49.200 And so I'll listen to save me just to,

01:08:51.900 so somebody else can do it for me almost in a weird way.

01:08:55.420 You know,

01:08:55.720 a lot of times I can get them,

01:08:56.860 but sometimes you can't.

01:08:58.180 No,

01:08:58.400 that's the beautiful thing of music,

01:08:59.820 man.

01:09:00.340 Yeah.

01:09:00.520 Music is a music is the soundtrack of the soul.

01:09:05.060 And that's how I've always looked at it.

01:09:07.080 Just like tears are the,

01:09:08.700 the expression of words we can't articulate.

01:09:11.400 And I'd look at music as being the soundtrack to the soul.

01:09:14.080 So I've always wanted to make music that would help people.

01:09:17.560 That song is a great example.

01:09:18.960 That song is fucking 13,

01:09:20.120 14 years old.

01:09:21.580 So I always,

01:09:22.200 so the transition has been very slow.

01:09:25.520 It seems like it happened quick for the unseen eye,

01:09:29.500 because guys that are like,

01:09:30.700 dude,

01:09:30.840 it's crazy.

01:09:31.280 You're on rock radio,

01:09:32.140 which is fucking crazy to me too.

01:09:33.680 But the idea that like,

01:09:35.460 you know,

01:09:35.620 we've always leaned that way.

01:09:36.960 I just didn't know I could sing five,

01:09:39.020 six years ago.

01:09:39.520 I started like really singing.

01:09:40.760 I got drunk and went and sang,

01:09:41.900 but you gotta,

01:09:42.300 you gotta,

01:09:42.680 do you gotta go to karaoke song?

01:09:44.780 Yeah,

01:09:45.100 I do.

01:09:45.460 actually I do rocking around the Christmas tree.

01:09:48.920 Right.

01:09:49.260 I do a Christmas carol because I'm not that great of a singer and everybody likes it.

01:09:54.020 Everybody at first is like,

01:09:54.700 fuck this guy,

01:09:55.600 you know,

01:09:55.920 queer,

01:09:56.660 you know,

01:09:57.100 but then like 10 seconds into it,

01:09:59.040 they're like,

01:09:59.520 you will get a Santa,

01:10:01.660 you know,

01:10:02.280 or they're like rocking her,

01:10:03.500 you know,

01:10:03.680 for sure.

01:10:04.300 So it's like,

01:10:04.940 nobody can really super hate on a Christmas carol.

01:10:07.580 So I'll play it a safe bet.

01:10:08.800 Right.

01:10:09.080 No,

01:10:09.400 dude,

01:10:09.660 it's awesome.

01:10:10.680 But what I love about that is I tell people we all secretly have a go-to song we sing in those moments,

01:10:17.040 you know,

01:10:17.400 karaoke thing.

01:10:18.440 Oh,

01:10:18.620 I wish mine was that Smashing Pumpkins song,

01:10:20.640 bro.

01:10:20.900 Saw you with this man.

01:10:23.140 You got me like you want me there.

01:10:26.680 You know what mine is?

01:10:27.720 God,

01:10:27.900 that one's good.

01:10:28.780 Mine is and has always been old time rock and roll by Bob Singer.

01:10:33.300 Just take those old records off the show.

01:10:35.900 That ain't it,

01:10:36.780 is it?

01:10:36.860 Oh,

01:10:36.960 that's it.

01:10:37.340 That's it for sure.

01:10:38.240 Yeah.

01:10:38.660 How do I know that?

01:10:39.580 It's crazy,

01:10:40.480 right?

01:10:41.160 It's like the song that's stuck in every white trash human's mind forever.

01:10:45.120 But it's,

01:10:46.000 and you forget it's there and then it packs its little fucking head out.

01:10:48.860 And you're like,

01:10:49.160 yeah,

01:10:49.380 fucking,

01:10:49.680 I do know that song.

01:10:51.780 Look,

01:10:52.240 it'll help you finish cleaning the kitchen.

01:10:54.200 I know that shit,

01:10:55.340 bro.

01:10:55.600 That one slide around in my socks.

01:10:57.840 My mom used to put on Brian Adams.

01:10:59.600 She got one of those cassette tape deals where you give them 30 cents and they send you six cassettes or whatever.

01:11:05.140 And then you don't pay them and they sue you,

01:11:06.980 right?

01:11:07.200 So we had that deal.

01:11:09.460 And one of them was Brian Adams.

01:11:11.120 Yes.

01:11:12.280 Look into my heart.

01:11:14.160 Oh yeah.

01:11:14.800 And you will see what you mean to me.

01:11:20.300 There we go.

01:11:21.140 Sing it to us,

01:11:22.040 Steve.

01:11:22.260 That should be your new one.

01:11:22.820 I can't.

01:11:23.280 But mine was old time rock and roll.

01:11:26.840 And I go out with some business guys one night that I'm working on a production deal with.

01:11:31.280 Sounds like drugs.

01:11:32.340 Yeah.

01:11:32.780 Go on,

01:11:33.380 go on.

01:11:33.780 It's fucking torturous.

01:11:35.000 And we're all doing karaoke drunk.

01:11:37.500 And I did Bob Seger and somebody in the group was like, dude, you can really fucking sing.

01:11:42.720 And I don't know why.

01:11:44.980 It's all it took for me to be like, maybe I can.

01:11:48.100 And I just started singing.

01:11:49.260 I started like really singing, like from my ball sack then.

01:11:52.240 You know, at first I was just singing from my chest.

01:11:54.320 Then I started singing from my ass.

01:11:56.180 Yeah.

01:11:56.340 That's when I was like, just clench my butt cheeks together and fucking open my little fucking hips and just fucking.

01:12:02.200 Like a hound dog.

01:12:05.720 The problem is I'm now having to learn how to sing and work backwards from there.

01:12:10.160 So it's like trying to do the stable stuff.

01:12:12.760 You know what I mean?

01:12:13.580 Yeah.

01:12:14.020 Or the inflections of lower stuff is like, it's so fucking hard.

01:12:18.100 Where it's like, just take those old records off the shelf.

01:12:22.320 Yeah.

01:12:22.840 It's so much fucking easier.

01:12:24.580 Right?

01:12:25.140 Than like, I use man's aid.

01:12:29.980 Yeah.

01:12:30.200 It's hard.

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.240 That sounds hard.

01:12:32.720 I, uh, I want to say this though, dude, what about the lady?

01:12:35.940 So you got married.

01:12:36.740 Where'd you meet your wife at?

01:12:37.900 I know your wife has a wild story.

01:12:40.180 Oh, dude, my wife is fucking, fucking best.

01:12:44.680 I met her in Vegas at a show.

01:12:46.420 And she's be, look, I'll say this beautiful lady.

01:12:48.660 I've seen her a couple of times.

01:12:49.740 She come in the room.

01:12:51.200 She ain't looking at me.

01:12:52.300 She's looking at you.

01:12:53.260 Oh, dude.

01:12:53.780 You know, you can tell that wife is dialed into you.

01:12:56.280 No, that's my girl, man.

01:12:57.600 She, she, she's the sweetest woman on earth.

01:13:00.480 And, uh, I met her in Vegas and I was really down on my luck.

01:13:04.100 I was living out of a van.

01:13:05.240 I was fucking, you know, literally I was living out of a conversion van.

01:13:09.560 I was just, uh, where were you urinating at?

01:13:11.980 Oh, dude, just on the side of the freeway, same place.

01:13:14.700 I was shitting, you know, truck stops.

01:13:16.340 And, you know, we were doing 250 years.

01:13:19.560 Oh, dude.

01:13:20.020 Flying J's in love.

01:13:21.080 Stay away from TAs.

01:13:22.640 TAs are the fucking word.

01:13:24.180 They're the trailer park of truck stops.

01:13:26.520 I've been saying that, dude.

01:13:27.620 A friend of mine reached in.

01:13:29.320 They had a live fishing well or something in there at one of them.

01:13:32.820 And he got meningitis from the damn tank in there.

01:13:36.820 But I will say this, though.

01:13:39.540 He fucking, I do remember, he dropped a Laffy Taffy in that bitch and he reached in and fucking got it.

01:13:44.120 He fucking got it.

01:13:44.940 So part of that's on him, baby.

01:13:47.540 You know what I'm saying, dog?

01:13:48.720 If you're eating candy out of an aquarium at a truck stop, dog, then that, look, the Lord, he gets to do what he wants.

01:13:55.840 Nothing is trashier than a TA.

01:13:58.160 Yeah.

01:13:58.520 If I wake up on the bus and we're at a TA, I'm just like, fuck me, man.

01:14:02.360 How did this happen?

01:14:03.420 I can't even open my bowels up at a damn TA, bro.

01:14:05.760 But you get me over to a Flying J, you get me to a Loves.

01:14:08.140 Oh, my God.

01:14:08.500 What I love about Loves, dude, if you're using the urinal or the shitter in there, you can shit and hear somebody play Buck Hunter right outside the door.

01:14:14.520 Oh, for sure, dude.

01:14:15.740 Pilots are fucking awesome as well.

01:14:17.480 Yeah, they're pretty good.

01:14:18.160 The Apple Barns or whatever they're called.

01:14:20.100 I haven't been there.

01:14:20.720 The West Coast, they're kind of trash.

01:14:22.820 But, yeah, so we were like doing 200 and something shows a year.

01:14:27.160 And it's like.

01:14:27.580 Wow, so you guys were on the road, man.

01:14:29.380 Dude, I was opening up.

01:14:30.100 With who?

01:14:31.180 Everybody.

01:14:31.820 I mean, I went out with the Insane Clown Posse.

01:14:34.280 The first people that ever took me in a little whiteout was a group called Twisted.

01:14:37.300 They were signed to ICP at the time.

01:14:39.900 Great dudes, man.

01:14:41.320 Skinny Puppy, you ever go out with them?

01:14:43.100 No, but I did go out with Mushroom Head, the metal band.

01:14:46.000 They're fucking fire.

01:14:47.080 Pull up a picture of them, Mushroom Head.

01:14:49.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:50.240 This is awesome.

01:14:51.040 Skinny and them.

01:14:52.080 On this ICP tour one time, I was the first act of five, so I didn't have a dressing room

01:14:56.840 or nothing.

01:14:57.180 And that means I went on when people were like, you know, still walking in the door

01:15:00.780 and buying popcorn and stuff.

01:15:01.940 Yeah, totally.

01:15:02.700 Yeah, it was the worst setup, worst setup ever.

01:15:04.980 And this band invited me, gave me the code to their bus, and they would let me use their

01:15:09.600 bus as my green room.

01:15:11.300 And I'm forever grateful to Skinny and this band.

01:15:13.700 To this day, we're friends because they were so good to me.

01:15:16.220 And dude, I had a 1994 conversion band, like a Southern Comfort high top.

01:15:22.860 And this 1990-something, 95, 96, we called it Bertha, and everybody who toured with me

01:15:28.920 back then has Bertha tattooed on them.

01:15:30.700 Shout out Scary Larry and the crew.

01:15:32.580 They all, Casey Strums, they all, yeah, that's it.

01:15:34.540 That's my van.

01:15:35.460 I feel like that white one down there with the high top.

01:15:37.840 Oh, no, on the left, left.

01:15:38.840 Left, left, left.

01:15:39.480 Right there.

01:15:40.040 Right.

01:15:40.700 Yep, the white one.

01:15:41.380 Boom.

01:15:41.820 That is fucking Bertha, son.

01:15:43.380 Wow.

01:15:43.620 That is big Bertha to a fucking T.

01:15:45.540 Did it have curtains in the windows on the inside?

01:15:47.180 That might be a picture.

01:15:47.460 Yes, sir, it did.

01:15:48.120 Wow.

01:15:48.460 That might be a picture of my van.

01:15:49.600 We hung a TV up in it, Scary Larry, and Casey hung up a TV.

01:15:52.900 Me and Highlight would sit back there and fucking watch fucking old DVDs and stuff.

01:15:57.180 Yeah, it's just sound, today that'd be damn homoerotic, the whole thing you're saying.

01:16:01.680 Yo, the back, we carried a trailer on it, so the back seat would lay down to a bed, kind

01:16:06.840 of like a futon or something.

01:16:08.740 And I lived in that motherfucker, Theo.

01:16:10.460 You know, like, shit, when I met my wife, I was like, come, let's smoke a blunt in the

01:16:14.780 van.

01:16:15.480 And she got in the van, and she said, to this day, she tells the story, it gave her anxiety

01:16:18.480 because it was so trashy.

01:16:20.000 It, like, smelled like fucking cum and cigarettes.

01:16:22.540 It was like, you know, it was fucking six grown men in there.

01:16:24.220 And had people been doing cum, cumming in there?

01:16:25.760 Oh, cumming in there, cocaine in there, fucking, I think some guys were tying their arms off.

01:16:29.860 It was bad.

01:16:30.740 We were struggling out there, man.

01:16:31.940 It was a rough one, dude, for us.

01:16:33.640 The devil's tug of war right there, son.

01:16:35.300 Yeah, we lived in there.

01:16:35.320 We called it Bertha, dude.

01:16:36.540 Everybody's got Bertha tattooed on.

01:16:37.820 If you toured with me in that era, you got Bertha tattooed on you.

01:16:40.220 God.

01:16:41.100 Dude, that's when touring was so different.

01:16:43.120 There was, before smartphones, it was just, you were just at the will of the world.

01:16:48.400 Oh, dude.

01:16:49.240 $50 a night is what I got paid for, like, three years straight.

01:16:53.980 Like, 50 bucks a night.

01:16:55.180 We didn't have enough room to get gas and a hotel.

01:16:57.840 Yeah.

01:16:58.160 So, it was like, we just had to go fucking park at truck stops and sleep some nights.

01:17:02.060 You know, we were banging on merch.

01:17:04.180 We were counting on hand-to-hand CDs and T-shirts.

01:17:07.120 Dude, how'd you used to do them?

01:17:08.340 I'll tell you this.

01:17:08.860 I used to bring, so I remember at one point, I bought that burner, baby.

01:17:12.440 Really?

01:17:12.720 I bought that three-shelf burner, bro, for my, um.

01:17:14.660 For the CDs?

01:17:15.740 I think I was in, damn, up near Canada, and somebody run that bitch up across the border

01:17:20.180 until it's sweat on the outside of it.

01:17:21.660 Really?

01:17:22.060 Yeah.

01:17:22.160 You're talking about the CD burner, the tower, right?

01:17:23.820 I bought the tower.

01:17:24.380 You burned three CDs at one time.

01:17:25.500 And I burned three, and it took about 19 minutes.

01:17:27.420 And then we'd put them on a spindle.

01:17:28.820 I'd handwrite on every fucking one of them.

01:17:31.420 Dude.

01:17:31.680 I'd write Theo Vaughan.

01:17:32.000 And I would sell them right off the spindle.

01:17:33.980 And I'd make a title of a different title, like they were different albums or whatever.

01:17:37.380 No, for sure.

01:17:38.080 We did that for fun, or we'd autograph them, or have the friend homie autograph some.

01:17:41.620 It was just like, and we'd sell them off the spindle.

01:17:44.540 Like, we wouldn't even do a case for them.

01:17:45.940 It'd just be like, oh, right off the spindle, this is yours, for $3, you know, or $5, or whatever

01:17:50.060 I could.

01:17:50.480 I used to do it for donations.

01:17:52.460 Oh, that's a good way to do it.

01:17:52.780 In hopes that somebody would give me some more money, I'd be like, look, man, I'm just fucking,

01:17:56.180 I got 40 bucks to open this show.

01:17:57.700 You know, I remember a lady one time in Fort Worth, Texas, come up and give me $100.

01:18:01.860 She's like, my husband just died.

01:18:04.020 Really?

01:18:04.340 She gave me $100.

01:18:05.320 For one of the CDs off the spindle?

01:18:07.080 Just gave it to anyone with the album.

01:18:08.340 I don't blame her.

01:18:09.080 Wow.

01:18:09.460 She was like, I don't really, I'm not into your art.

01:18:11.920 I'm just into your hustle.

01:18:13.340 I think about how many people bought the CD and never listened to it.

01:18:15.920 Oh, I think every single one.

01:18:17.180 Like the guys in Manhattan.

01:18:18.000 I want to say thank you to everybody that bought.

01:18:21.640 Sometimes I think it was a DVD, dude.

01:18:23.620 I don't even know what was on that bitch, but I sold them and thank you, man.

01:18:27.900 Yeah, no, we did it.

01:18:29.740 And I was at that phase of my life when I met Bunny and she was like, she like adopted a little pound puppy.

01:18:35.580 And where'd you meet her at?

01:18:36.580 Where were you guys at?

01:18:37.280 We were at this bar called the Las Vegas Country Saloon on Fremont Street.

01:18:42.060 A lot of titles in one.

01:18:43.360 Yeah, it's pretty big.

01:18:44.380 The Las Vegas Country Saloon on Fremont Street.

01:18:47.800 And Bunny was doing high-end escort stuff.

01:18:50.260 She was a sex worker in Vegas.

01:18:51.820 And she was getting a lot of money.

01:18:55.040 I mean, she had like a real big plush penthouse and couple cars.

01:18:58.420 We had a sex worker on the podcast one time.

01:19:00.280 Oh, dope.

01:19:00.680 You should get Bunny on here one time.

01:19:01.660 She'd love to tell her story.

01:19:02.820 She has a podcast.

01:19:03.600 We need to get you on her podcast, too.

01:19:04.680 It's called Dumb Blonde Podcast.

01:19:06.060 Leave us in here, Theo.

01:19:06.840 I need to plug my wife.

01:19:07.800 Dumb Blonde Podcast.

01:19:08.900 We'll put a link, too, into it for us.

01:19:10.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:10.480 She's crushing, man.

01:19:11.840 And she's like, on Apple, she's always in like the top ten on the comedy chart.

01:19:15.560 She really kills.

01:19:17.060 But Bunny just took me under, you know, kind of took me under her wing.

01:19:20.760 And, you know, the cool—

01:19:22.860 What was it about her?

01:19:24.700 I think she was just—it was like a genuine thing the moment I met her.

01:19:29.600 Like, I just knew she was a—you could feel the genuineness from her.

01:19:34.380 And she was in a very ungenuine business, right?

01:19:37.760 Like, that business is slimy.

01:19:39.400 Oh, yeah.

01:19:39.880 It's a lot of shucking.

01:19:40.920 It's a lot of game being ran on both ends.

01:19:43.140 She's running game.

01:19:44.000 They're running game.

01:19:45.140 It's just a lot of game happening.

01:19:46.640 It was just—I could just feel the authenticity in her, though.

01:19:51.580 I just like—I hate to be the cliche like I felt it.

01:19:54.700 It was soulmates at sign.

01:19:56.340 But I felt that for real, Bubba.

01:19:58.620 Like, I felt that connection with her, and she did, too.

01:20:01.260 And how'd you convince her to do it?

01:20:02.700 Because if she's living this lavish life, you know, she's living a more lavish life as a lot of those—you know, a lot of sex workers, if they get dialed in on their business, and they're businesswomen as well, or businessmen, if they're gay workers.

01:20:13.640 Yeah, for sure.

01:20:15.000 Then they get—you know, they do real well, you know?

01:20:19.140 So how'd you get her—I mean, if she stops in that van, I think, damn, this bitch smells like repossession, bro.

01:20:24.800 I'd be out of there, bruh.

01:20:26.600 Nah, dude.

01:20:27.440 She was—

01:20:28.200 Damn, bruh.

01:20:29.000 Nah.

01:20:29.160 They got ghosts of freaking people jerking off in this bitch.

01:20:32.160 Yeah, nah, shit.

01:20:33.080 Damn.

01:20:33.420 If four people live in a van, and I roll up and have any business sense, the last thing I'm doing in that van is falling in love.

01:20:40.900 I'm telling you, dude, she—

01:20:41.480 The absolute last thing.

01:20:43.020 I'd freaking leave one of my legs in that bitch before I'd fall in love.

01:20:46.100 No, she picked up a fucking straight pit bull.

01:20:48.420 She said it was—she said her attraction was I was clearly the saddest human she'd ever met.

01:20:55.560 I swear to God.

01:20:57.080 That's what she said.

01:20:57.580 Hey, I'm glad another's hope for us, because I'm the second one.

01:21:00.840 She was like, you had the saddest eyes in the room.

01:21:03.540 I don't know.

01:21:03.960 We just connected, man.

01:21:04.880 It was like—it felt like a love story that was supposed to work.

01:21:07.880 I mean, we're talking about a woman—you know, we're talking about an ex-drug dealer and an ex-prostitute get together and build what we've built together.

01:21:14.620 You know, a woman who has a podcast that's crushing a big Patreon.

01:21:18.660 She does—she still does the OnlyFans thing and absolutely just fucks that and crushes that to death.

01:21:23.560 And then, you know, I went on to fuck—dude.

01:21:24.940 I'm sitting here talking to fucking Theo Vaughn on a podcast that I spoke into existence two calendar years ago.

01:21:31.300 Yeah.

01:21:31.800 Right?

01:21:32.060 I didn't know you from the man on the moon.

01:21:33.380 You just moved to Nashville, what, almost two years ago or whatever?

01:21:36.860 And I was like—

01:21:37.380 I think it has been almost a year and a half.

01:21:38.480 I can't even believe it.

01:21:39.100 Yeah, it's been at least a year and a half, and I banged here immediately.

01:21:42.420 I didn't know you from the man on the moon.

01:21:43.580 I was like, yeah, I'm from here.

01:21:44.780 Like, I need to get on the cast.

01:21:46.100 You know, and here I sit.

01:21:46.880 It's like—and not just because you're hearing my story, because I consider us homies.

01:21:50.580 Yeah.

01:21:50.940 Like, you're my boy.

01:21:51.620 You know what I'm saying?

01:21:52.220 Like, we're just talking about some shit we talk about in the fucking green room of Zanies right now, right?

01:21:57.940 Yeah.

01:21:58.680 It was funny, too.

01:21:59.720 It's like you can—sometimes people are always like, I want to be on this and that.

01:22:02.260 And sometimes it just works out how it works out.

01:22:04.080 It's like sometimes you almost just have to have a time, for me anyway, where you feel like, oh, this person's in my life.

01:22:10.180 I want to talk—you know, I saw you the other night at Brennan's show, and I was like, man, I'd just seen you a few times where, you know, we'd seen each other in different places.

01:22:16.800 And I'm like, man, every time that guy is just—people want to be around that guy, you know?

01:22:24.420 That guy just lights up the fucking room, man.

01:22:27.080 I just love people, dude, man.

01:22:28.580 Yeah.

01:22:28.920 And they love you.

01:22:30.040 Oh, dude, I love them, and I love you.

01:22:31.880 They love you, man.

01:22:32.200 But it's like, who would have thought that me and Bunny's story would end up, you know, where it's at?

01:22:36.880 I think she did before I did.

01:22:38.640 Yeah.

01:22:38.860 And I think that's why she took the fucking, you know, the fucking pound puppy in.

01:22:42.600 She was like—I think she had even the vision I didn't at the time, you know?

01:22:46.520 Oh, yeah.

01:22:46.960 I'm sure you was drooling, dude.

01:22:48.220 Yeah, I was.

01:22:48.560 It was like homeo and drooliette, baby.

01:22:50.920 You know what I'm saying, right?

01:22:52.000 I tell people, I didn't pick Bunny.

01:22:53.520 Bunny picked me.

01:22:54.420 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:55.360 She's the man in this situation.

01:22:56.980 Yeah, for sure.

01:22:57.460 I was just like, yes, I'll go out with you.

01:22:59.440 Yeah.

01:22:59.820 And that's just kind of how it worked.

01:23:01.560 That's awesome.

01:23:02.280 Yeah, we've been together, you know, I think six years, going on seven years now.

01:23:06.100 Wow.

01:23:06.380 Been together a long time.

01:23:06.840 And do you think y'all will have a child or not?

01:23:09.440 I don't think so.

01:23:10.400 I don't think that's something that's in our—you know, Bunny didn't have a desire to birth a child,

01:23:15.120 but she always had a desire to be around children, so I think that we kind of fed each other's needs.

01:23:20.400 I got custody of my daughter right when I met Bunny.

01:23:24.540 Dude, you know when somebody's poor, when they grew up poor and white, when somebody says,

01:23:27.840 I have custody.

01:23:28.940 Yeah, for sure.

01:23:29.280 The second the word custody hits the air, bro, that's the most—that was the word that I always heard growing up, bro.

01:23:35.900 It was like I had custody, you know.

01:23:38.240 I don't like telling this part—well, I want to tell—I think she appreciates it now.

01:23:42.000 Her mother had a battle with a heroin addiction, Bailey's mother, my daughter.

01:23:46.700 And she's sober now and back in Bailey's life, which is awesome.

01:23:49.700 Oh, that's amazing.

01:23:50.280 But at the time, it was bad.

01:23:51.540 I mean, like, you know, really, really, really true addict stuff bad.

01:23:54.520 So I was getting custody of Bailey at simultaneously courting Bunny, all while some other girls, like, in week three of being pregnant.

01:24:03.300 Wow.

01:24:03.760 So it was like a really weird moment where Bunny had every reason to run.

01:24:07.080 Yeah.

01:24:07.420 And instead, she just fucking—that bitch dug her heels in and was like, let's fucking go.

01:24:11.280 Throw me the fastest pitch you can, big boy.

01:24:13.480 I'm going to catch it.

01:24:14.980 And we immediately, you know, got custody of Bailey.

01:24:18.200 She started raising Bailey as her own.

01:24:19.680 And to this day, Bailey calls Bunny mama and calls her mother mom.

01:24:24.580 So, you know—and her mother was in a same-sex relationship.

01:24:27.360 She's gay.

01:24:28.220 So the other girl that raised Bailey from birth is a part of it, too.

01:24:31.560 So Bailey's got three moms.

01:24:33.200 You know what I mean?

01:24:33.740 Yeah, dude.

01:24:34.220 Just fucking—

01:24:35.460 That's a limit.

01:24:36.240 Yeah, it's a thing, dude.

01:24:37.260 I mean, it's a big—

01:24:37.780 That's a legal limit, I think, in a lot of states.

01:24:40.300 I'm the only testosterone in the room besides Bunny because she's a little aggressive sometimes.

01:24:43.920 But it's all fucking bitches and me.

01:24:46.300 But it works out great.

01:24:47.520 But do you have—

01:24:49.520 Tell me about one of the toughest times you guys had on the road.

01:24:52.460 You guys partied pretty hard, I'm sure.

01:24:54.320 Was there a night where you didn't think you was going to make it?

01:24:56.320 Any nights you ended up at the hospital?

01:24:57.900 Yeah, I had a—

01:24:59.960 Because I had a night, man.

01:25:01.320 This is a few years back.

01:25:03.000 This is more than a few years back now.

01:25:04.440 But I was, like, sitting there, and I was so close to going to the frickin' emergency room.

01:25:08.960 My heart just rattling, baby.

01:25:11.440 Just, you know, like a cheerleader was shaking that bitch.

01:25:15.140 Mine was coding, so it was the opposite.

01:25:17.740 Damn.

01:25:18.240 It was going so slow that between breaths, I would hold my breath for a second and put

01:25:24.020 my thumb up to my throat or behind my ear to see if I could just catch a light poop.

01:25:32.160 Poop.

01:25:32.780 And I was like, I thought I just drank too much cough syrup, and I thought it was over.

01:25:37.460 And how much did you drink it?

01:25:38.680 What was it, dime tap?

01:25:39.880 Yeah, no, no, no, dude.

01:25:41.140 We were doing, you know, we were getting the real actives, and, you know, we were going

01:25:45.360 for the—we were mixing the potions.

01:25:46.840 Oh, wow.

01:25:47.800 Sometimes we'd just get the straight pink, the codeine, or, you know, just the straight,

01:25:51.660 you know, what—sometimes we'd get the purple, but we, you know, we were doing, you know,

01:25:56.280 eight, ten, twelve ounces just filling up, put dropping fours and sprites every day and

01:26:01.960 just getting them gone before noon.

01:26:03.560 And then I'd be so low, I'd—from that fucking four ounces or six ounces or eight ounces

01:26:07.940 of codeine, I would fucking do some blow to pick myself up, and then I'd take a Xanax

01:26:12.800 to try to go back to sleep, you know?

01:26:15.040 And that's what I tell people, too, when they're like, you need to worry about your health.

01:26:18.360 I'm like, trust me, man, I'm going to live a long, longer life than y'all think.

01:26:21.580 I have changed my ways dramatically.

01:26:23.540 When people see me out drinking a lot, they're like, you're fat and drink a lot.

01:26:26.400 I was like, I used to do eight balls of cocaine after eating codeine for breakfast, and I

01:26:30.500 would balance it out with Xanax.

01:26:32.380 Fuck you.

01:26:32.880 I was a Molotov cocktail of death.

01:26:34.940 If that didn't kill me, I think a little obesity would be okay while I'm currently working

01:26:38.780 to lose the weight, Karen.

01:26:40.100 I'll be fucking all right, okay?

01:26:41.640 I don't need you worried about my heart.

01:26:43.400 I have a cardiologist, bitch.

01:26:44.760 I'm fine.

01:26:45.700 I'm losing weight.

01:26:46.720 You should have seen me when I was just running around like, my drug of choice used to be

01:26:50.700 more.

01:26:51.920 You know what I'm saying?

01:26:52.560 That was my drug of choice.

01:26:53.780 It was like, what's your drug of choice?

01:26:55.260 What do you got?

01:26:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:26:56.960 Fuck you.

01:26:57.200 Oh, yeah.

01:26:57.640 But what do you have the most of?

01:26:59.380 Dude, my favorite weed was cocaine.

01:27:02.340 Yeah.

01:27:02.880 That was it, dude.

01:27:05.140 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:06.020 They were like, damn, baby.

01:27:07.400 Only person that could smell that is you.

01:27:09.100 Yeah.

01:27:13.080 Guess what my dad would start doing?

01:27:14.580 What's that?

01:27:14.880 This is a guy, rest his soul.

01:27:17.220 He would get a couple drinks, and then he would walk to the back of this bar, and he would

01:27:22.420 just be like, hey, can I just need a cup?

01:27:24.100 And they'd give him a cup, and they had an ice machine in the back, and he'd go fill

01:27:28.080 up his own cup, and then get in the car and pull out his bottle from under the seat, mix

01:27:33.420 his own drink right there in the console, put his seatbelt on, drop the top on his little

01:27:38.060 Sebring convertible, put his sunglasses on.

01:27:40.880 And he'd have one for the road, man.

01:27:44.380 He was in a damn Sebring?

01:27:45.760 Yeah, dude.

01:27:46.260 He had a Sebring, man.

01:27:48.060 When he passed away, there wasn't a lot to divvy up around the family, because his wife's a cunt.

01:27:55.580 But what we did end up getting...

01:27:58.160 I haven't met her, but I know her.

01:27:59.620 Yeah, right.

01:28:01.660 But what we did get was his Sebring, and I gave that...

01:28:04.820 I wasn't in charge of giving shit away, but as a family, we decided to give that to Scott

01:28:10.880 so his son could have it, who's in college, or you know what I mean, or whatever.

01:28:14.540 And the Sebring's still around, dude.

01:28:17.080 Scott's one of my...

01:28:18.120 My two brothers are super responsible.

01:28:19.820 I'm not.

01:28:20.640 Scott and Roger.

01:28:21.380 Roger's the oldest.

01:28:22.100 Scott's the next one.

01:28:22.740 So Scott has the Sebring.

01:28:25.100 Roger just wanted the Kentucky Derby stuff, because him and Dad used to go bet on horses

01:28:28.860 together, you know, and all the stuff related to the meat business, and I took the pictures

01:28:32.300 of the clowns.

01:28:33.020 But yeah, dude, the Sebring is still in the fucking family.

01:28:35.660 Scott tinted that bitch.

01:28:37.340 Scott tuned that motherfucker up.

01:28:38.920 It's nice, man.

01:28:39.640 It's running.

01:28:40.200 That thing's pimping.

01:28:41.400 Every time I go see him down in Georgia, we'll take the Sebring out to go get a drink.

01:28:44.420 Hey, come in it, bro.

01:28:45.640 Make it mean something.

01:28:46.560 That's it, dude.

01:28:47.140 I did lose Bertha.

01:28:48.500 Yeah.

01:28:48.720 I'm sad about that.

01:28:49.640 I missed my van every day.

01:28:50.580 That thing needed to go, dude.

01:28:51.980 That thing.

01:28:52.680 I put four transmissions in it.

01:28:54.200 I put 400,000 miles on it.

01:28:55.780 We beat that thing to death.

01:28:56.940 Yeah.

01:28:57.480 Wow.

01:28:57.920 On the fifth transmission, I just never went back and picked it up.

01:29:01.100 Damn.

01:29:01.460 Yeah.

01:29:02.160 Yeah, dude.

01:29:02.760 I remember my friend Billy Conforto, dude, who was probably the greatest gay prize fighter

01:29:07.740 that never was in like any sanction fights.

01:29:10.640 You know, he just he was homosexual, but he beat people up and nobody had ever seen it.

01:29:14.680 Right.

01:29:15.360 It was an obscure thing.

01:29:16.600 Oh, no.

01:29:17.060 And still, I mean, still you see some of it, but you never saw it like this dude, bro.

01:29:22.320 And he hired some dude in the neighborhood.

01:29:25.980 He gave him like $1,100 to fix his transmission.

01:29:27.980 That dude fucking never fixed it.

01:29:29.220 We went over there to pick it up.

01:29:30.120 Finally, we opened up the hood and everything inside of it was gone.

01:29:32.820 He beat his ass, didn't he?

01:29:34.300 Yeah, he did.

01:29:36.120 He did, dude.

01:29:37.020 And the guy thought he could punk him because he was a gay dude, you know.

01:29:39.720 And Billy fucking lit him up, bro.

01:29:42.120 I know some gay people that can fight.

01:29:43.320 He shifted every gear inside of that dude, bro.

01:29:45.220 I know that, dude.

01:29:45.960 I know Bailey's other mother, Cheyenne, her baby.

01:29:49.540 Gays can fight.

01:29:50.780 Listen, Cheyenne fights like a dude.

01:29:53.500 Yeah.

01:29:54.280 Bailey's other mom fights like a fucking dude.

01:29:57.500 Gay women and gay men should fight each other, meet in the middle and fight.

01:30:00.300 Oh, yeah.

01:30:00.880 Dude, listen, I got my money on Cheyenne nine out of ten times.

01:30:04.340 They used to have foxy boxing at a strip club in Nashville.

01:30:07.180 And Cheyenne would show up like a ringer and just beat the brakes off people, dude.

01:30:11.640 We'd show up like a chicken fight, taking bets on the side.

01:30:14.640 And Cheyenne would just be in there fanning fucking people out.

01:30:17.900 It wouldn't be fair because these little girls would be in there bouncing with their titties.

01:30:20.440 They're looking all cute.

01:30:21.540 And Cheyenne would just come in there just fucking thunder.

01:30:23.880 Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.

01:30:25.760 Just swinging from the goddamn shoulders.

01:30:27.480 All hip action, dude.

01:30:29.100 Looking like fucking a karate movie or something.

01:30:31.120 Oh, yeah.

01:30:31.160 Putting a labia in that shit.

01:30:32.420 Just fucking turning into it.

01:30:32.680 Yeah, she would just fan.

01:30:33.340 Dude, we had, I remember they used to have a group called Fag Fist Fights, right?

01:30:37.600 Yes.

01:30:38.000 And it was a gay men group.

01:30:40.900 And they came to different college towns.

01:30:43.560 And they put boxing ring at a bar.

01:30:46.000 And gay men would fight, you know?

01:30:48.260 And they would, you'd pay $5, whatever you get in.

01:30:51.040 And these dudes would fight, bro.

01:30:52.820 I'd pay $1,000 for a ringside table to one of those right now.

01:30:56.320 It was crazy, man.

01:30:57.220 I can't believe they used to come to Hammond, Louisiana.

01:30:59.500 They'd roll through probably twice a year.

01:31:01.860 And we'd go over there and watch it.

01:31:02.660 Did the midget wrestlers come through, too?

01:31:04.160 We never, I always heard about that, but I never saw that kind of shit, you know?

01:31:07.860 Oh, I do.

01:31:08.060 We got it here at the fairgrounds every other month.

01:31:10.500 Yeah.

01:31:10.920 It was the best, dude.

01:31:12.820 Sometimes there was no fair, even.

01:31:14.460 It was just a couple of midgets out there wrestling.

01:31:15.980 Well, no, so they have this thing at the fairgrounds where you rent out this place.

01:31:18.420 Little folk, little people.

01:31:18.980 Dude, these fucking midgets, dude, would fuck, we're going to be politically correct now.

01:31:22.700 Fuck that.

01:31:23.640 They're fucking midgets, dude.

01:31:25.020 And they call themselves midgets.

01:31:26.160 It's called midget wrestling.

01:31:27.680 Different ones do.

01:31:28.380 The old school ones, I think, will say it.

01:31:30.540 But then a lot of new, you know, if they're fancier, they won't say it.

01:31:33.320 Yeah, yeah, the fancy midgets.

01:31:34.720 That makes sense.

01:31:35.560 The real trashy poor midgets are like midgets, right?

01:31:38.320 Yeah.

01:31:38.680 These were poor midgets then.

01:31:40.300 Dude, but they would do like double gainer backflips off the top rope.

01:31:44.160 Yeah.

01:31:44.620 It was some shit that like, a couple of them guys should have went to the WWE.

01:31:48.480 Yeah.

01:31:49.180 I don't know why.

01:31:49.660 Yeah, well, I don't think, well, WWE missed that hole.

01:31:52.160 They never got into smaller folks being in there.

01:31:54.920 Yeah.

01:31:55.520 Rey Mysterio was like the closest thing, right?

01:31:58.940 Yeah.

01:31:59.200 Because he was like, you know, acrobatical.

01:32:00.840 I think they left the acrobatical shit to Lucha Libre wrestling, right?

01:32:05.140 Oh, you go down to Mexico, you see whatever, dude.

01:32:07.160 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:07.940 Is that what they call it?

01:32:07.980 Is it Lucha Libre?

01:32:08.980 I believe it could be.

01:32:09.920 Or is that the movie?

01:32:11.520 I think that's what it's called.

01:32:12.680 It's called Lucha Libre, yeah.

01:32:14.040 That wrestling was fucking, people were doing backflips and shit.

01:32:17.500 And I think that's what the midget wrestling was.

01:32:19.200 I think that's what it's called.

01:32:19.480 They couldn't break a table.

01:32:20.720 I mean, they were so small, man.

01:32:21.980 You'd have to cut the table down the middle before they even got on it.

01:32:24.680 Yeah.

01:32:24.960 They would cheat it off the bottom.

01:32:26.600 They would kind of bring it, you know, cut sawing three, four, three-quarter inch.

01:32:29.540 Yeah, for sure.

01:32:30.120 Do you know, was there any time y'all got hijacked or anything on the road or robbed?

01:32:34.220 No, we never had to deal with nothing like that.

01:32:35.940 Y'all ever not get paid?

01:32:37.420 Yeah, we got not paid a few times.

01:32:39.060 We stole some TVs out of venues and stuff.

01:32:41.480 We took pictures and art and all kinds of stuff.

01:32:44.600 Art.

01:32:45.180 Yeah.

01:32:47.300 It's just that thing above the urinal that says when there's a car auction.

01:32:51.940 Manny's car auction is Thursday.

01:32:55.480 I stole neon signs.

01:32:57.160 You know what I mean?

01:32:57.800 I've done all that stuff.

01:32:59.060 I broke a window at a bar before just like, then they were like, we got insurance.

01:33:03.260 I was like, but you won't be open tomorrow, bitch.

01:33:05.360 I was like, fucking.

01:33:07.140 One of my friends, can you do YouTube Comedian Touch's neon sign?

01:33:15.040 I think it's our friend Jamie Lesso did this.

01:33:17.600 Oh, shit.

01:33:23.420 Why do they have all this stuff now?

01:33:26.440 Remember when you could find, there was a nine videos and you could find it every time?

01:33:29.800 Yeah, now it sure has nothing to do with it.

01:33:31.320 Yeah, Jamie Lesso, L-I-S-S-O-W.

01:33:33.380 I think it's him.

01:33:36.240 Oh, there it is right there.

01:33:37.220 Comedian electrocuted on stage.

01:33:38.720 You know, I just ate three sticks and I'm still hungry.

01:33:47.060 I just ate three sticks, man.

01:33:51.640 Does he level back?

01:33:53.000 Oh, you got to play one more second.

01:33:54.580 It looks like he's standing by touching it again.

01:34:01.000 I'm glad I didn't have my foot in a glass of water like last night.

01:34:03.680 Oh, no.

01:34:04.580 He really burnt it if he didn't try it again.

01:34:06.440 That's how I know I'm a special kind of hard hitter.

01:34:09.900 I would have had it happen twice to me.

01:34:11.800 Yeah.

01:34:12.080 For sure.

01:34:12.480 I'd have been like, no fucking way.

01:34:13.040 I'd have touched one more time.

01:34:14.040 One first, sure.

01:34:15.020 One more time, just like, let me just see.

01:34:16.920 I'd be like, that ain't real.

01:34:17.920 Yeah, no.

01:34:18.300 I've stolen neon sign out of a bar, though.

01:34:20.020 Did they ever not pay y'all?

01:34:22.140 I'm trying to think.

01:34:22.980 Yeah, but it was more like shady stuff.

01:34:24.600 Usually you had to get, yeah, well, usually you get with the agent before you can go get into

01:34:28.420 the clubs.

01:34:29.360 Before that, it's just weird rooms.

01:34:31.000 They had a guy who would, it used to just be bringer shows.

01:34:33.740 Like, you had to bring eight people.

01:34:35.200 Right.

01:34:35.420 You know, and so you get there, and you're like, you don't have anybody.

01:34:38.780 You can't perform.

01:34:40.120 How did you get picked up by an agent in your business?

01:34:43.340 I think you just start doing well.

01:34:45.100 You get about 10 minutes going, and some manager sees you, and then the manager connects you

01:34:48.940 with an agent, usually.

01:34:50.980 And they'll take, because you've got to feel like that's got to be a hard business to break.

01:34:54.300 Like, you've just got to be crushing.

01:34:56.040 Where did you cut your teeth at?

01:34:57.880 I cut my teeth a little bit in New Orleans, and I cut them mostly, honestly, in L.A.

01:35:01.260 You know, I moved out there, and I hadn't really performed much, and I took a comedy

01:35:06.280 class, even.

01:35:07.040 I went to a class, and people always make fun of the classes and shit.

01:35:09.560 I went there.

01:35:10.260 And the best thing about the class was I hated the class.

01:35:12.260 I was like, I'm better than everybody in here, even though I wasn't.

01:35:14.900 Yeah.

01:35:15.040 But in my head, you know, you're just like, oh, I'm cool, you know?

01:35:20.200 And they had, at the end of the class, you got to get on stage and perform.

01:35:25.300 That was the graduation.

01:35:26.780 Right.

01:35:27.000 So you were in front of a full room, and you got a three-minute tape.

01:35:29.580 You got your tape.

01:35:30.680 And my tape was decent, so then you'd go around to other places, and then, you know, next

01:35:35.600 thing you know, it's five years later, and you're, you know, starting to travel around

01:35:39.640 and do it.

01:35:40.220 And then it's 10 years later.

01:35:41.440 And at that time, I think around 10 years, I thought about quitting.

01:35:45.480 I moved back home for about four or five months.

01:35:47.960 Really?

01:35:48.400 Yeah.

01:35:49.220 What encouraged you to get back?

01:35:51.860 I don't know, man.

01:35:53.600 I was with her.

01:35:54.180 I broke up my girlfriend.

01:35:55.420 I broke up.

01:35:56.680 I don't know.

01:35:57.660 I was at home.

01:35:58.540 I was working at a Mexican restaurant, bartending at a Mexican restaurant.

01:36:03.040 I was not a good bartender, and I broke some equipment, and I fucking, I still might

01:36:09.880 owe those people in amends, honestly.

01:36:11.380 But I broke some damn equipment there, one of them margarita makers, you know, that bitch.

01:36:15.420 I was trying to put it back together late at night, and I couldn't figure it out.

01:36:19.260 And I broke that bitch.

01:36:20.680 And the guy, then, you know, they were upset.

01:36:23.460 And I don't know.

01:36:24.300 At that point, I felt like there was no reason for me really to stay.

01:36:27.600 I think I kind of hinged my bets on this girl, kind of.

01:36:29.820 So when that fell apart, I felt like I didn't know what to do, and then I went back, I guess.

01:36:34.320 That's what happened.

01:36:35.160 Yeah.

01:36:36.120 Who all did you feature for early?

01:36:38.840 Oh, that's a good question, man.

01:36:42.540 I featured for this one guy named Mark Lundholm.

01:36:47.760 And sober guy, super funny dude, but he smokes cigars, right?

01:36:52.880 And we got stuck up in Notre Dame of Mishawaka, Indiana.

01:36:57.340 Oh, yeah.

01:36:57.740 Right outside of South Bend.

01:36:58.760 Right outside of South Bend, man.

01:37:00.480 We even went over and saw the bar where, like, Rudy would sit at and sit in his seat and stuff.

01:37:03.940 It was real cool.

01:37:05.240 But we were stuck indoors.

01:37:07.000 It was 30 degrees.

01:37:07.820 We were stuck indoors, and we're sharing a little condo or house.

01:37:11.880 And he smoked cigars.

01:37:13.880 And I was like, hey, do you mind not smoking indoors?

01:37:16.180 And he's like, I'm going to be smoking, you know?

01:37:18.760 And that bitch would smoke two cigars before he'd go to sleep, I think.

01:37:21.960 Yeah, he was just lighting them off each other.

01:37:23.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:24.320 And if I'm wrong, Mark, I'm sorry, but that's just how I remembered.

01:37:27.000 And, you know, they had a guy, Tom Rhodes, too, who I love, who I got to have on here

01:37:31.760 sometime.

01:37:33.000 And he used to smoke Marlboro Reds.

01:37:34.440 And he and I had a share of place in Shreveport one time.

01:37:36.460 And I remember asking him, I said, hey, man, we might not smoke indoors.

01:37:38.700 He goes, I'm going to smoke indoors.

01:37:40.100 I think he lit one right up there.

01:37:41.680 He might have lit two up.

01:37:43.400 He lit two up.

01:37:44.220 I think he made me hold one.

01:37:45.600 One more question, because I got to ask while I got you.

01:37:47.720 Yeah.

01:37:48.140 You probably told it a thousand times, but what was your worst or most memorable bomb?

01:37:51.840 I mean, I've had one that I've told where I just kept, I bombed and they didn't know

01:37:59.960 that I had to come back out between each act.

01:38:02.080 It was like a battle of the bands.

01:38:04.160 So they booed me off in the beginning.

01:38:05.780 I burned my material so fast because they hated me.

01:38:08.860 But I had to keep coming back out.

01:38:11.580 And it was horrible.

01:38:12.840 Dude, at one point I came out with an American flag.

01:38:14.840 Like, I didn't know what to do.

01:38:17.820 Like, this has to bring unity.

01:38:19.180 This land is yours.

01:38:20.420 I didn't know what.

01:38:21.300 I didn't have any material left.

01:38:23.600 And I had to do like another probably 20 minutes, man.

01:38:26.980 And the best part was, towards the end, I would kind of sneak like I was going to come

01:38:31.680 back out.

01:38:32.060 And I'm like, there's no way he's coming back out, you know?

01:38:34.320 And I would just come back out.

01:38:37.020 And they would just die laughing because they couldn't believe, bro.

01:38:40.520 One time I went out and sang smooth criminal.

01:38:42.840 I didn't even fucking know the words.

01:38:44.440 Half of it was man in the mirror.

01:38:51.020 I didn't even know the fucking words, dude.

01:38:59.080 And that shit, man.

01:39:01.240 Oh, but at the time, bro, I felt bad even asking them to pay me.

01:39:06.600 I just wanted to leave.

01:39:08.840 And it's such a dichotomy of leaving a place when you've crushed it.

01:39:12.680 And that feeling of bravado and I did good than that other feeling of leaving when you

01:39:18.540 did not and still having to get to your vehicle, get to leave.

01:39:21.560 And you know you're going to run into people.

01:39:22.860 Oh, man.

01:39:23.600 And you just feel that energy.

01:39:25.980 People just turned it out.

01:39:28.020 So, Jelly Roll, man.

01:39:29.420 I appreciate the time, man.

01:39:31.060 I feel like we covered a lot of stuff.

01:39:32.220 Do you?

01:39:33.440 You feel like we covered a lot of stuff?

01:39:34.680 I love it, dude.

01:39:35.460 Fuck.

01:39:36.320 When you Frankenstein, I think it'll be the funniest shit ever.

01:39:39.680 What is it?

01:39:41.540 I don't even know.

01:39:42.920 I don't know either, man.

01:39:46.880 I'm just trying to stay alive.

01:39:48.580 Jamie got a damn electrocuted, bro.

01:39:50.460 That sucks.

01:39:52.500 That S-U-C-K-S, baby.

01:39:56.200 That sucks.

01:39:56.960 Dude, thank you so much.

01:39:59.040 So, now you're on tour.

01:39:59.800 So, just tell us where you're at now, you know?

01:40:01.800 Yeah, man.

01:40:02.600 Here goes my shameless plug.

01:40:05.060 Because you've had this on me.

01:40:05.860 You've had a lot of the songs that hit.

01:40:07.100 What really started to catapult you then?

01:40:09.200 Let's get to that real quick.

01:40:10.020 Oh, Save Me.

01:40:10.940 Yeah.

01:40:11.240 Yeah, there was a lot of, like, this is what I tell people.

01:40:13.580 Everything I did was a step on the ladder.

01:40:16.220 Save Me was like skipping 10 steps on the ladder.

01:40:19.440 Well, knowing your story and hearing Save Me now, it's more.

01:40:23.200 Yeah, for sure.

01:40:23.960 It's more understandable.

01:40:24.840 Yeah, it's like I could bore you with, like, every little step that helped.

01:40:28.360 And there were so many.

01:40:30.200 Everything mattered, is what I tell people.

01:40:32.280 Everything you're going through right now in your career, if you're a young, up-and-inspiring

01:40:36.120 artist, comedian, or whatever, every one of those little things matter.

01:40:40.620 And then there's, like, a small tipping point that happens, like the Malcolm Gladwell book,

01:40:44.340 where shit just kind of, Save Me for Me will always be that moment of, like, you know,

01:40:49.560 I don't know how it is in your business, but it's always the shit you don't think's

01:40:52.660 going to be it.

01:40:53.260 But, dude, we fucking wrote Save Me on a Sunday.

01:40:57.140 We recorded Save Me on a Monday.

01:40:59.640 We shot a video to, no, but we wrote it Saturday, recorded it Sunday, shot the video Monday, put

01:41:06.700 it out Tuesday.

01:41:08.360 Wow.

01:41:09.720 That's how that worked.

01:41:11.220 Didn't think twice about it.

01:41:13.220 And did you know that it would be that?

01:41:14.700 Did you know?

01:41:15.340 Did you have an inkling?

01:41:16.120 Do you, honestly, did you have any idea?

01:41:17.460 I just knew that I couldn't quit fucking with it.

01:41:20.440 I just knew that it was something about it that just stirred my spirit.

01:41:24.500 And I was like, I just, man, we got to go for it.

01:41:27.500 And I just, I was proud of it.

01:41:30.340 I was like, to me, it was like a therapy session publicly.

01:41:32.940 You know, and that was like the biggest thing for me was like just letting those emotions

01:41:37.800 out in a public way was like, I don't know, some songs, I have songs, Theo, that I wrote

01:41:43.160 that mean a lot to me that I'll never play anybody ever because they mean that much to

01:41:47.560 me.

01:41:48.340 And Save Me was one of those songs that could have been that song, but it meant even more

01:41:52.760 to me.

01:41:53.240 And so it was like, nah, this one needs to go out.

01:41:56.180 Like, I just, I don't know, man.

01:41:58.060 I was just prepared for it to, I loved it so much.

01:42:01.140 I didn't care what it did.

01:42:02.740 If it popped or flopped, I just felt like fucking, you know, this is the last thing I'll tell

01:42:07.320 you this story.

01:42:08.660 People, I was talking to Travis O'Gwen from Strange Music once.

01:42:13.960 We were talking about how I get thousands of emails a year of people who say, or messages

01:42:19.580 a year that say, your music helped me.

01:42:21.940 I overcame drug addiction.

01:42:25.060 I was going to kill myself and I found your music.

01:42:28.120 I was literally, I've had messages that were like, I was sitting there gun loaded, listening

01:42:33.240 to a playlist that was going to be the last listening of my life and found a song of yours

01:42:39.720 that made me feel like, man, this is, it touched me in such a way that it changed my decision.

01:42:45.860 And this is my thing.

01:42:46.940 And if I get 5,000 of those a year and 4,999 of them are lies, holy fuck.

01:42:57.460 Can you believe we saved one fucking human?

01:43:00.760 You know what I mean?

01:43:01.500 Like, let's just assume everybody's full of shit, but one fucking guy.

01:43:05.380 Holy shit, man.

01:43:09.020 You know what I mean?

01:43:09.820 And to me, at the end of the day, that's what Save Me was about.

01:43:13.640 It was like, man, what means the most to me, and that's why I write the music I write,

01:43:18.380 is people come up to me and, oh, dude, such and such was fun.

01:43:22.440 I love that song.

01:43:23.080 I danced to it.

01:43:23.760 But when people come up to you and say, dude, we played Save Me at my cousin's funeral at

01:43:27.620 Overdosed, and it's now his mother's favorite song and the way she copes with it, or we

01:43:33.140 played Smokin' Section at this funeral, or we played Smokin' Section to commemorate this,

01:43:39.160 or, hey, man, this song helped me when I got out of rehab.

01:43:42.120 Yeah.

01:43:43.340 That shit is like fucking what this shit's about, dude.

01:43:46.600 You know what I mean?

01:43:47.240 Yeah.

01:43:47.340 Like, when a motherfucker's like, dude, I don't just watch your podcast for humor.

01:43:50.900 It was the fucking first thing I laughed at after I got out of fucking sobriety.

01:43:56.040 Like, that's the shit that touches the soul.

01:43:58.180 You know what I mean?

01:43:59.600 Yeah.

01:43:59.940 A friend of mine recently told me, he said, yeah, man, if you have a story and you don't

01:44:02.940 share it, it's that thing that you're afraid to share, you know?

01:44:06.460 It's that scary thing, you know?

01:44:08.660 That's the connection.

01:44:09.760 That's the thing that, you know, that somebody else could really be waiting to hear.

01:44:13.620 You know, there's a reason why there's that magnetism of uncertainty with you, with sharing

01:44:19.260 stuff sometimes, you know?

01:44:20.900 And yeah, man, it's wild how certain things can have an effect on people.

01:44:24.100 I mean, there's songs I go listen to of certain friends that passed away, and I go listen to

01:44:29.240 a certain song, and it reminds me of them.

01:44:30.980 It reminds me of him.

01:44:32.080 It reminds me of certain times in my life when I cared about certain things, you know?

01:44:37.660 It is.

01:44:38.280 The power of a song is really powerful.

01:44:39.900 Yeah, it'll take you back to a place in time, man.

01:44:42.420 Yeah, dude, it'll take me back to that frickin' Bon Jovi song, baby.

01:44:45.540 Yes, baby.

01:44:46.180 Yes, baby.

01:44:46.760 It'll take you right back to being in the front seat of that fuckin' car for however

01:44:50.040 you felt the first time you heard it.

01:44:51.660 Oh, Heather.

01:44:52.100 It's also, the greatest feeling on earth is when you hear a song for the first time and

01:44:56.880 the feeling you get.

01:44:58.060 Yeah.

01:44:58.360 I remember certain songs in my life that I heard for the first time, and it just changed

01:45:03.480 everything about how I thought about things.

01:45:06.480 Just one song.

01:45:08.500 Yeah, Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls by TLC, I remember.

01:45:11.300 We were driving to the mall one time, and that bitch came on, dude.

01:45:14.020 Yeah.

01:45:14.440 And we fuckin', we were never the same.

01:45:17.300 No, for sure.

01:45:18.500 I'm telling you, dude.

01:45:18.860 My friend Tim and Joey, we were never the same.

01:45:20.860 Boy, we sang that thing.

01:45:22.320 Do you have a favorite song?

01:45:23.340 Uh, I got some stuff that we play on the pod sometimes by Evan Bartels.

01:45:29.080 I love, he's a local singer-songwriter.

01:45:31.760 I love listening to some of his stuff.

01:45:34.620 Do I have a favorite song?

01:45:36.100 You know what I like right now?

01:45:37.100 I listen to Dirt by Florida Georgia Line.

01:45:38.780 I just really like that song.

01:45:40.020 Such a good song.

01:45:40.340 I get stuck on a song for a little while, you know?

01:45:42.760 Yeah, no, I like that.

01:45:43.740 I've been into country music more since I've been here, but I listen, I like, I've been

01:45:47.020 listening to Juice WRLD recently that I really like.

01:45:51.140 I don't know if I have a favorite song.

01:45:52.900 Do you?

01:45:53.540 Yeah, well, I'm one of them weird dudes that has a top five in every category of everything.

01:45:57.640 I've got a top five comedy bit list of like what I think was the best top five comedy bits

01:46:02.900 to me personally.

01:46:04.860 But song-wise, number one, as of now, they're subject to change every now and then, is Against

01:46:09.820 the Wind by Bob Seger.

01:46:11.520 That song just has told my story, and I feel like it's the story of who I am as a human,

01:46:15.940 what I've been through as an artist and where I'm at as an artist now.

01:46:19.120 And I just remember the first time I heard that song and just thinking, man, this is my

01:46:22.900 life, and I still feel it every time I listen to it.

01:46:26.800 So you got things onto YouTube, and then things started to really pop from there then, when

01:46:31.400 Save Me came out.

01:46:32.460 Yeah, man.

01:46:32.940 It was just building the YouTube and, you know, just building the, just putting out music.

01:46:36.420 Oh, yeah.

01:46:36.700 Yeah, with 30-something million, I mean, your spins are crazy, man.

01:46:39.700 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:40.500 Save Me's at almost 100 million now.

01:46:42.800 That's insane.

01:46:43.680 97 million almost.

01:46:45.820 Some of y'all want to go check it out, gang.

01:46:47.980 Fuck with me and get me over the line here.

01:46:49.900 Look up populations of countries right now.

01:46:51.800 I want to see what country is listening.

01:46:53.880 What country could have entirely listened to it?

01:46:55.900 Yeah, what country could have?

01:46:57.160 Everybody there would know.

01:46:58.260 Let's get one down really quick.

01:46:59.260 I think when I looked at it recently, it's like one-third of the American population.

01:47:04.020 Yeah, that's probably about right.

01:47:05.200 Let's go to, just, can you go down?

01:47:06.480 Is there a list?

01:47:07.140 Is there a chart?

01:47:07.840 There we go.

01:47:08.240 Get that chart.

01:47:08.760 Let me zoom in a little bit, Daddy.

01:47:10.740 Let's look at 100 million.

01:47:12.020 Right there, 98.

01:47:13.000 There we go.

01:47:14.400 Vietnam.

01:47:15.020 Holy shit.

01:47:15.640 Vietnam, baby.

01:47:16.220 We're close to touching Egypt, dude.

01:47:17.900 I need to get to the Egypt mark.

01:47:19.340 You're close, baby.

01:47:20.000 That would be fire, dude.

01:47:21.120 And then the Philippines.

01:47:21.880 They could have been over there fucking mummies and shit banging, save me.

01:47:25.120 The Philippines.

01:47:25.980 Once you hit Philippines, baby, that is magic.

01:47:28.400 It's crazy that it's more than the United Kingdom.

01:47:30.800 That's nuts.

01:47:32.580 That's a magical.

01:47:33.000 Yeah, I never thought about it like that.

01:47:34.280 I think about it from, like, football fields.

01:47:36.520 Yeah.

01:47:36.840 You know what I mean?

01:47:37.580 Like, that's how I just, like, categorize things to me as, you know, how many people,

01:47:42.320 how many nights could I sell out of football fields at that rate?

01:47:45.560 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:46.060 It was like 30 nights or something.

01:47:47.580 And now y'all are playing bigger venues.

01:47:49.340 Now you're touring.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, I'm touring with Shinedown later this year.

01:47:52.480 Tickets actually go on sale.

01:47:54.060 They should be on sale by the time y'all see this.

01:47:55.720 Tickets are on sale.

01:47:56.860 Jelly Roll, Shinedown.

01:47:58.580 They've had more number ones than any rock band in history.

01:48:00.940 Wow.

01:48:01.380 I can't believe I'm going out with them.

01:48:03.040 It's surreal.

01:48:03.780 That's amazing, bro.

01:48:04.660 It's just fucking awesome.

01:48:05.780 So I'm going out with Shinedown later this year.

01:48:07.640 I got a bunch of headline dates.

01:48:08.940 Jelly Roll615.com if you want to come see me.

01:48:11.540 Sure, use the support.

01:48:13.160 And we're playing a lot of festivals, dude.

01:48:15.040 Amazing.

01:48:15.480 That's going to be a blast, bro.

01:48:16.300 People are going to love it.

01:48:16.980 I got a big announcement coming for Nashville in a few weeks.

01:48:19.640 I got to figure out, but you know it.

01:48:21.260 But I got to, it's pure.

01:48:22.340 For America, for everywhere.

01:48:23.680 Yeah, for sure.

01:48:24.700 Not just for Nashville.

01:48:25.500 No, no, no.

01:48:26.360 I'm saying, you know, they're out now.

01:48:28.240 But I'm saying we're going to announce our Nashville show.

01:48:30.780 Oh, you have a big announcement about that.

01:48:32.880 A big announcement about the Nashville show coming up.

01:48:34.980 It'll be, it's going to be insane.

01:48:39.180 It's never thought.

01:48:41.100 This ain't even something I want to say.

01:48:42.380 I dreamed about this.

01:48:43.840 Nope.

01:48:44.140 Didn't think it'd ever happen.

01:48:45.300 You know what I'm saying?

01:48:46.200 It's fucking.

01:48:46.720 Didn't even dream about it, baby.

01:48:47.940 I'll tell you what I dreamt.

01:48:48.660 What was that song that Bon Jovi sang in one of their hits?

01:48:50.660 Tim, who's in here?

01:48:52.260 We've been fighting this all day, Bizzle.

01:48:53.780 We can't remember the Bon Jovi.

01:48:54.880 I had hours to think about it even after.

01:48:57.540 And fucking can't remember it.

01:48:57.900 We both lie solidly still.

01:48:59.780 Is that Bon Jovi?

01:49:00.600 In the dead of...

01:49:01.760 That's Poison.

01:49:02.280 Okay, not them.

01:49:04.560 Who was it?

01:49:05.340 Damn.

01:49:06.780 Bad Medicine?

01:49:08.240 No.

01:49:09.320 Look, you look at Bon...

01:49:10.660 That's my life.

01:49:12.980 No, it was before that.

01:49:14.300 You give love a bad name?

01:49:15.640 Is that Bad Medicine?

01:49:16.800 Let's sing a song for the...

01:49:18.880 I don't think that was it.

01:49:21.860 Johnny work...

01:49:22.820 Johnny working down in the dark.

01:49:25.700 Working for a man.

01:49:27.280 He keeps holding life.

01:49:28.640 Oh, Lord.

01:49:30.520 Ooh.

01:49:32.080 Yes.

01:49:32.720 Living on prayer.

01:49:34.200 Yeah.

01:49:34.760 Oh, yeah.

01:49:34.920 No, that's Aerosmith redid.

01:49:36.640 No, that's...

01:49:37.380 That's Living on the Edge.

01:49:37.820 That's Living on the Edge, baby.

01:49:39.580 Oh, yeah.

01:49:42.780 Fuck weed.

01:49:44.420 No, now I'm singing Living on a Prayer

01:49:46.180 or like Living on the Edge.

01:49:48.520 Living on...

01:49:49.280 No.

01:49:49.960 That's Living on the Edge again.

01:49:52.020 Living on a Prayer.

01:49:55.780 Shoot me.

01:49:58.780 Honey, use your word on the dime.

01:50:01.580 You gotta hold on as well.

01:50:02.780 You gotta hold on to what we got.

01:50:06.660 It doesn't make a difference

01:50:08.500 if you make it or not.

01:50:10.300 Yes, yes, yes.

01:50:11.420 No, bro, my babysitter.

01:50:16.380 We're halfway...

01:50:17.420 My babysitter played that.

01:50:18.800 It was the first song

01:50:19.460 I ever remember hearing.

01:50:20.480 Living on a Prayer.

01:50:21.320 Yes.

01:50:22.440 Because I heard it with a woman.

01:50:24.160 I heard it with a chick

01:50:24.960 and I thought she was cute

01:50:25.840 and so in my mind

01:50:26.760 that made enough glue.

01:50:28.780 Yeah.

01:50:29.200 And so, dude,

01:50:29.940 I kept...

01:50:30.280 Oh, you were Living on a Prayer

01:50:31.800 back in too, baby.

01:50:32.660 Oh, bro, I kept saying,

01:50:33.240 hey, let me put your seatbelt

01:50:34.160 on for you again.

01:50:35.440 And I was just, bro,

01:50:36.520 we'd be driving,

01:50:37.360 I put her seatbelt on 30 times

01:50:38.840 and just rubbing my hand

01:50:40.040 across her chest, dude.

01:50:41.480 Then hopping behind

01:50:42.360 my buddy's map in the back.

01:50:45.340 Y'all were sharing

01:50:46.300 the maps together, dude.

01:50:47.680 Yeah, dude.

01:50:48.400 Oh, man.

01:50:49.680 We're both headed

01:50:50.180 the same direction, eh?

01:50:52.620 Jelly Roll,

01:50:53.560 thank you so much.

01:50:54.660 Thank you, brother.

01:50:55.100 We'll put the information

01:50:56.040 where people can come

01:50:56.760 check you out.

01:50:57.260 When does the tour start?

01:50:58.040 Do you know?

01:50:58.640 I head out at the end

01:50:59.580 of this month

01:51:00.000 to do the East Coast run.

01:51:01.020 I think those are all sold out,

01:51:02.340 but the big Shinedown tour

01:51:03.900 starts in the fall.

01:51:05.220 I got some dates

01:51:05.860 getting announced

01:51:06.460 with a couple other guys

01:51:08.080 that are big friends of mine.

01:51:09.140 I don't know

01:51:09.220 if I'm supposed to talk about it,

01:51:10.000 but I will

01:51:10.340 because I don't care.

01:51:10.980 I'm going out

01:51:11.340 and doing some shows

01:51:11.860 with Coe Wetzel, our boy.

01:51:13.020 Oh, yeah.

01:51:13.580 I got to have Coe on here.

01:51:14.980 Me and Coe Wetzel

01:51:15.600 got a song coming out later

01:51:16.920 that's really dope

01:51:17.940 called Role Model,

01:51:19.360 a.k.a. the Cocaine Song.

01:51:22.020 Yeah, I got some shit cooking, man.

01:51:23.620 It's going to be

01:51:23.900 a big year for me, dude.

01:51:25.640 It's surreal.

01:51:27.200 We're like doing

01:51:27.900 full amphitheaters all year.

01:51:29.720 It's crazy.

01:51:30.880 Dude, that's amazing, man.

01:51:31.940 Red Rocks is on sale right now.

01:51:34.400 Is it really?

01:51:34.560 There's only a couple thousand

01:51:35.640 tickets left.

01:51:36.240 We went on sale a few days ago

01:51:37.640 and there's like

01:51:38.700 1,700 tickets left.

01:51:40.560 I would be,

01:51:41.400 I would cry

01:51:42.100 if I could hurry up

01:51:42.800 and sell them

01:51:43.200 just to have the peace

01:51:43.980 to know I sold out

01:51:44.660 the fucking top two

01:51:46.440 most legendary venues

01:51:47.580 in America.

01:51:49.080 That'd be fascinating, man.

01:51:50.360 Yeah, Coe's unbelievable.

01:51:51.380 Coe is just a,

01:51:52.060 I mean, he's that,

01:51:52.820 he's the.

01:51:54.000 He's that fuck you,

01:51:55.380 Texas rock country,

01:51:56.960 Southern.

01:51:57.780 He's like me.

01:51:58.520 You can't really

01:51:59.140 label what he does anything.

01:52:01.460 It's just different,

01:52:02.500 you know?

01:52:03.520 He's so good.

01:52:04.240 He is,

01:52:07.280 what is the word

01:52:08.460 I'm looking for?

01:52:09.300 It's,

01:52:11.320 he's a rebel.

01:52:12.700 Yeah.

01:52:13.260 No, for sure, dude.

01:52:14.240 It's polarizing.

01:52:15.300 He's a rebel man.

01:52:16.260 Yeah, he's a rebel man, dude.

01:52:17.580 He's like me.

01:52:18.660 He does not give a fuck.

01:52:20.460 He's one of my favorite

01:52:21.780 people in music.

01:52:23.560 Well, fuck him

01:52:24.200 and we'd be happy

01:52:24.700 to have him in here sometime.

01:52:27.180 Fuck you, but come on.

01:52:28.260 No, Coe,

01:52:28.520 we'll have to have him

01:52:29.120 in here sometime.

01:52:29.860 Jelly Roll,

01:52:30.200 thank you so much, man.

01:52:31.300 And congratulations

01:52:31.920 on all the success

01:52:32.860 and just thanks

01:52:33.720 for sharing your story, man.

01:52:35.300 I can relate

01:52:36.020 to certain chapters of it

01:52:37.220 and yeah,

01:52:39.560 it just seems,

01:52:40.680 it seems like you,

01:52:43.160 what you're creating

01:52:43.920 is just part of your life, man.

01:52:45.160 It's cool to see.

01:52:46.080 Thank you for watching, bro.

01:52:47.060 Thank you for having me.

01:52:47.820 I love you, man.

01:52:48.440 It means the world.

01:52:49.180 Yeah, I love you too.

01:52:49.840 Bizzle Gibbons,

01:52:50.560 tour manager,

01:52:51.060 thanks for stopping in.

01:52:52.060 Riley Mao peeked in

01:52:53.320 before we had to go to,

01:52:54.100 I'm sure,

01:52:54.360 some type of church meetup.

01:52:55.920 Yeah, for sure.

01:52:56.820 And Nilo sat in today

01:52:58.340 to help produce.

01:52:59.200 So thank you guys so much, gang.

01:53:00.860 Gang.

01:53:01.900 Gang, gang.

01:53:03.260 Now I'm just

01:53:04.300 floating on the breeze

01:53:05.880 and I feel I'm falling

01:53:07.480 like these leaves.

01:53:08.940 I must be

01:53:09.940 cornerstone.

01:53:14.180 Oh,

01:53:14.940 but when I reach that ground,

01:53:16.840 I'll share this peace of mind

01:53:18.880 I found.

01:53:19.660 I can feel it

01:53:20.940 in my bones.

01:53:23.040 But it's gonna take

01:53:26.000 a little time

01:53:28.720 for me to set that parking brake

01:53:32.580 and let myself unwind

01:53:35.320 Shine that light on me

01:53:39.320 I'll sit and tell you my stories

01:53:45.020 Shine on me

01:53:48.500 Shine on me

01:53:50.000 And I will

01:53:52.500 Find a song

01:53:54.240 I will sing it

01:53:55.800 Just for you

01:53:57.840 And now I've been

01:54:03.500 moving way too fast

01:54:05.200 On the runaway train

01:54:06.580 With a heavy load of my

01:54:08.340 Past

01:54:10.040 And these rails

01:54:13.980 that I've been riding on

01:54:15.660 They're worn so thin

01:54:17.080 that they're damn near gone

01:54:18.400 I guess now they just

01:54:19.860 were

01:54:20.180 Ladies and gentlemen

01:54:23.260 I'm Jonathan Kite

01:54:24.480 and welcome to Kite Club

01:54:25.780 A podcast

01:54:26.700 where I'll be sharing

01:54:27.660 thoughts on things

01:54:28.500 like current events

01:54:29.440 stand-up stories

01:54:30.660 and seven ways

01:54:31.760 to pleasure your partner

01:54:32.980 The answer may shock you

01:54:34.880 Sometimes I'll interview

01:54:36.200 my friends

01:54:36.900 Sometimes I won't

01:54:38.220 And as always

01:54:39.760 I'll be joined

01:54:40.440 by the voices in my head

01:54:41.720 You have

01:54:42.600 three new voice messages

01:54:44.580 A lot of people

01:54:46.040 are talking about

01:54:46.940 Kite Club

01:54:47.600 I've been talking

01:54:48.680 about Kite Club

01:54:49.580 for so long

01:54:50.400 Longer than anybody else

01:54:52.040 So great

01:54:52.860 Aye

01:54:53.840 Swear

01:54:54.440 Easy deal

01:54:55.880 Anyone who doesn't

01:54:57.380 listen to Kite Club

01:54:58.320 is a dodgy bloody wanker

01:55:00.380 Jermaine

01:55:01.080 Ho ho

01:55:02.120 I'll take a quarter pounder

01:55:03.880 with cheese

01:55:04.380 and a McFlurry

01:55:05.400 Sorry sir

01:55:05.960 but our ice cream machine

01:55:06.760 is broken

01:55:07.240 Ho ho ho

01:55:08.720 No

01:55:09.160 I think Tom Hanks

01:55:11.120 just butt dialed me

01:55:12.200 Anyway

01:55:12.680 First rule of Kite Club

01:55:14.020 is

01:55:14.620 Tell everyone about

01:55:15.820 Kite Club

01:55:16.340 Second rule of Kite Club

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - March 26, 2022

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