This Past Weekend with Theo Von

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00:01:24.980 I want to announce a new tour date.

00:01:27.680 November 3rd in San Diego at the Balboa Theater.

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00:01:58.160 As well, we have October 11th and 12th in Wichita, Kansas.

00:02:01.820 October 13th, Omaha, Nebraska.

00:02:04.920 And October 14th, Denver, Colorado.

00:02:07.320 Both those shows are sold out.

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00:02:49.900 Get that hitter, baby, gang.

00:02:52.260 Today's guest is, he's that racer baby.

00:02:55.960 He's that skrrr boy.

00:02:57.900 You know what I'm saying?

00:02:58.620 He likes being on wheels.

00:02:59.660 He's been an IndyCar driver for 25 years.

00:03:03.720 He's won the Indy 500.

00:03:06.480 He's from Brazil.

00:03:08.160 He's from another country.

00:03:09.940 But he's put a lot of miles on America, that's for sure.

00:03:14.100 His team took me out earlier today in an IndyCar.

00:03:17.800 And, man, I hit a couple hundred miles.

00:03:20.780 I hit a damn mock or a couple mocks.

00:03:22.520 I don't know what I hit.

00:03:23.940 I mean, there's still people looking for me.

00:03:26.400 So that's how fast we went.

00:03:28.040 But I'm grateful to have him here today to learn about his life and to learn about racing.

00:03:32.500 Today's guest is Mr. Tony Kanawha.

00:03:34.600 Shine that light on me.

00:03:41.060 I'll sit and tell you my stories.

00:03:45.980 Shine on me.

00:03:50.900 And I will find a song.

00:03:54.140 I've been singing.

00:03:55.060 I love this.

00:03:55.780 Yeah, man.

00:04:03.000 So if I seem flustered, the pool, you know, which immediately tells people that I'm making money.

00:04:12.620 Right.

00:04:13.960 The pool, something broke.

00:04:15.640 And the water's flowing into the backyard right now.

00:04:17.920 You know, that's what I tell my kids and my wife at home.

00:04:22.380 Because, obviously, we work hard.

00:04:24.000 We make money.

00:04:24.680 But if we didn't have a pool, we wouldn't have that problem.

00:04:27.220 Right.

00:04:27.660 Right.

00:04:28.040 But, like, I was traveling to a race.

00:04:30.960 We live in Indianapolis.

00:04:33.060 Okay.

00:04:33.280 And I have four kids.

00:04:34.380 Oh, wow.

00:04:34.940 They all go to the races with me when they can.

00:04:37.960 So I have, obviously, a smart home.

00:04:39.840 We have all the security because, you know, you have to have it.

00:04:42.940 And I turn the alarm on, and I can see anything that happens.

00:04:47.040 I can see it on my phone.

00:04:49.940 And going down the road, driving to one of the races, my phone starts to go nuts and gives me different alarms.

00:04:58.020 That, you know, the bathroom light's on.

00:05:01.560 And I'm like, somebody's in the house.

00:05:02.920 And I'm looking in the camera, and I can't see it, and I can't see it.

00:05:05.760 We're not too far off.

00:05:07.080 I said, you know what?

00:05:07.880 We need to turn around and see what's going on.

00:05:11.160 We had nobody there.

00:05:12.020 So I turned around and came home.

00:05:14.680 But first you get home, you're like, I don't know how to fight.

00:05:17.600 I don't have a gun.

00:05:18.460 I'm like, if somebody's here.

00:05:19.940 But I also don't want to call the police to look like the fool.

00:05:23.080 They're like, hey.

00:05:24.060 So I go in.

00:05:24.920 There is nothing going on.

00:05:25.760 I'm like, what's wrong?

00:05:27.340 And the phone's going crazy.

00:05:28.920 Then I start, try to turn the light on to check.

00:05:33.320 Doesn't turn on.

00:05:34.120 So I'm like, something's happening.

00:05:35.460 Are we going to catch fire anyway?

00:05:36.700 To make a story short, because you talk about your basement.

00:05:39.700 I have, it's a smart home.

00:05:41.680 And all the equipment is in the basement in a room with air conditioning because they say it needs to keep it cool.

00:05:47.000 Like, you know, like we do it in the studio.

00:05:49.580 And it's positioned in a room specifically made.

00:05:53.600 But there is one pipe, one single pipe that goes through.

00:05:58.700 There was actually, they put the rack with all the equipment underneath.

00:06:02.980 Oh.

00:06:03.640 And it was the sewer pipe.

00:06:04.920 No.

00:06:05.420 So it was dripping?

00:06:06.220 And it was broken.

00:06:07.380 Damn.

00:06:07.820 So it leaked, it burned the entire system so the house wasn't working, but also it's the sewer pipe.

00:06:14.080 Right.

00:06:14.320 So you can imagine.

00:06:16.360 Not your finest pipe.

00:06:18.160 Yeah.

00:06:18.520 And it was floating.

00:06:19.800 By the time I got back, it was at least 40 minutes between.

00:06:22.460 And then it flowed the basement with that clean water.

00:06:27.380 Wow.

00:06:28.240 So who had to go in there?

00:06:30.240 Well, I was in there.

00:06:31.320 As soon as I saw that, I'm not very good at, I almost barfed.

00:06:35.120 Yeah.

00:06:35.880 I told my wife, look, damage is done.

00:06:39.800 Nobody's going down there.

00:06:41.440 And I still had to drive.

00:06:42.740 I mean, we're like, I have to go to a race.

00:06:44.800 Right.

00:06:45.200 So I called a couple of the contractors, the guy that built my house, and they helped me out.

00:06:49.400 And they sent people there.

00:06:51.020 We fixed the pipe and had to call the insurance company because we had to change everything.

00:06:56.380 The whole car, I mean, everything was.

00:06:57.800 Oh.

00:06:58.440 So yeah.

00:06:59.020 Is that probably the worst thing that's happened to you as a homeowner, you think?

00:07:03.020 No.

00:07:03.380 Well, I lived in Miami for 22 years, and I used to collect watches, like expensive watches

00:07:10.920 and stuff, but never really had them in a safe or anything.

00:07:14.200 I had probably 35 expensive watches, not insured.

00:07:19.320 No.

00:07:20.040 But you do interviews, you talk about things you like.

00:07:23.740 You know, you have cars, you have this.

00:07:25.400 And it's not a brag, but people are like, oh, so I know you like watches.

00:07:28.160 So then I actually had just given an interview to a watch guy, and I got home, and they're

00:07:35.880 all gone.

00:07:37.380 A couple million bucks.

00:07:38.920 Really?

00:07:39.480 A couple million bucks worth?

00:07:40.280 Yeah.

00:07:40.540 Something expensive.

00:07:41.720 Like, if people don't understand about watches, but a Rolex ponium, which is very rare.

00:07:46.660 Like, yeah, I actually got left with the watch that I was wearing, which is always my workout

00:07:53.160 watch, which was the cheapest one.

00:07:55.120 Oh.

00:07:56.720 Damn, isn't that crazy how you'll get something nice for yourself, and then you just kind of

00:07:59.900 lock it away?

00:08:00.780 You know, Theo, that's something that I, hopefully, I mean, hopefully that didn't happen to you,

00:08:06.060 but you feel so violated, right?

00:08:07.760 So you work so hard.

00:08:08.900 I don't come from a rich family.

00:08:12.720 I mean, everything I've done, I really worked hard.

00:08:14.940 I gave up a lot of things to do it, never with the intention to make money, I mean, to

00:08:20.460 be rich.

00:08:20.960 I've never said, oh, I want to be a race car driver, because I want to be rich.

00:08:24.200 I just want to race.

00:08:25.340 But then you like nice things, you make money, blah, blah, blah, and then somebody just come

00:08:29.680 and takes it from you, you know?

00:08:31.500 Yeah, that must have been really disheartening.

00:08:33.220 It was so bad that actually, to this day, I probably have five watches now.

00:08:40.060 You know, I love watches, and I bought my top five, because then you go, you don't need

00:08:47.040 all of it.

00:08:47.420 You don't.

00:08:47.940 You really like, it looks like, you know, people can take you the wrong way, too, and

00:08:51.420 you brag, wow, I had 40 watches.

00:08:53.040 Yeah.

00:08:53.380 I just liked them.

00:08:54.400 I didn't, you know, it wasn't like, oh, I have them to brag.

00:08:56.660 Yeah, how much time you need.

00:08:57.900 Yeah.

00:08:58.060 A year, you know?

00:08:58.940 Yeah.

00:08:59.140 You have one, well, you have two wrists, but you're only supposed to wear one watch at a

00:09:02.740 time, so it's not like, so I bought my favorite five watches, and that's it.

00:09:07.780 I would never buy it, never bought it again.

00:09:09.480 Now I have a safe, then you insure them, and so on.

00:09:11.940 But it almost ruins your love for them a little bit, that somebody, it sold them.

00:09:16.060 That's it.

00:09:16.540 And it did go away.

00:09:18.240 Like, you know, on that particular, like, I don't know, whatever you want to call, like,

00:09:23.620 pleasure that I have of collecting, that is, it's been gone ever since.

00:09:27.080 It's been 12 years now, but.

00:09:28.740 Yeah.

00:09:29.020 Yeah, I could have, thank God, I could have bought all of them back, or some of them.

00:09:33.820 Right.

00:09:33.980 I'm like, nah, I don't want to.

00:09:35.200 And did you call a detective or anything like that?

00:09:37.840 So, we did, but like I said, they were not insured.

00:09:42.380 Some of the watches, I mean, I had listed, so they say, well, if this watch comes to service

00:09:47.140 at Rolex or whatever, we can probably catch it.

00:09:51.320 If not, they're going to be gone.

00:09:52.660 So, we put, we think it's so hard, because when you do an interview, look how many millions

00:09:59.600 of people are watching us, right?

00:10:01.000 Yeah.

00:10:01.580 And then I could say something, and nowadays you can Google anything, our lives.

00:10:06.880 Yes, scary.

00:10:07.260 Because we live on a social media environment.

00:10:10.840 They know when you're gone.

00:10:12.500 Yeah.

00:10:12.760 Right?

00:10:13.480 As soon as you post, hey, I'm going to LA, I'm shooting in LA today.

00:10:17.300 Whoever knows that where you live, they can assume you're not in your home.

00:10:21.640 Well, if they come, I hope they don't come to swim.

00:10:24.420 I'll tell them that.

00:10:25.960 Because there is-

00:10:26.780 But that's what I'm saying, and that's my biggest fear, especially coming from Brazil,

00:10:32.220 which is, it's a third world country.

00:10:34.760 Is it?

00:10:35.300 Yes.

00:10:36.120 It's quite, you know, it's not as wealthy as America.

00:10:43.140 You have a lot of those kind of things.

00:10:44.700 And my biggest fear is like, when people know I'm gone, my family's at home, and they

00:10:48.780 know my wife is alone.

00:10:49.780 So, you try to protect yourself.

00:10:52.540 And in Brazil, do they have a lot of kidnappings and stuff like that?

00:10:55.120 Big time.

00:10:55.560 I mean, when I go down there, which I do a lot, I still have family there.

00:11:00.200 My oldest kid still lives there.

00:11:01.680 I'm racing there this year.

00:11:03.100 I have a bulletproof car.

00:11:05.060 Wow.

00:11:05.460 And I have two bodyguards that follow me in another car.

00:11:08.700 And talk about not having any privacy.

00:11:10.480 Because if you try not to catch attention, you know that well enough.

00:11:15.240 You shouldn't walk around with four people looking like a wardrobe behind you.

00:11:21.220 Like double O-C-A-T-A or whatever.

00:11:23.160 Yeah.

00:11:23.340 And then every time you stop somewhere, they go in first, check it out.

00:11:26.800 And then you come out and people are like, well, who's that?

00:11:29.240 Right.

00:11:29.500 But a lot of people do that, which is, it takes your privacy away.

00:11:32.900 It takes a lot of things away.

00:11:34.060 And I'm always worried about my mom.

00:11:36.700 My mom is 74.

00:11:37.980 Well, it's interesting because it's almost like, you know, you achieve some of your dreams

00:11:42.060 and your goals.

00:11:42.840 And then you have to, even if you want to be anonymous, you almost can't be just for

00:11:48.160 your own safety.

00:11:48.800 Right.

00:11:49.080 But then when you talk about kidnapping, they're not going to come for me, right?

00:11:51.860 They're going to come to my kids, to my mom, to my sister, because they want me to

00:11:56.120 probably pay for it.

00:11:57.920 Yeah.

00:11:58.060 If they call, if they kidnap you, they can't call you.

00:12:00.540 Yeah.

00:12:00.660 They can call me.

00:12:01.420 And then I say, guys, if I don't make a call to get you the money, who's going to get

00:12:04.320 you the money?

00:12:04.760 Yeah.

00:12:06.340 Unless they're the worst kidnappers ever.

00:12:08.640 And I said, if they call my wife, she might pay them to keep me for a few extra months.

00:12:15.280 Wow.

00:12:15.720 That's fascinating.

00:12:16.940 And in Brazil, is it a, I guess like, well, tell me about that bulletproof car.

00:12:22.240 So that thing is like.

00:12:23.500 Dude, it's the most amazing thing you'll see.

00:12:26.160 I mean, it's, I raced down there for Toyota, so it's a Corolla, but they add another, I don't

00:12:33.660 know.

00:12:33.800 So nowadays it's very, you know, exactly what I'm talking about, but very, the ballistic

00:12:39.300 stuff that you put in a car, the metals and stuff, it's so light that it's only like a

00:12:43.800 hundred pounds more that you add to the car.

00:12:46.780 But it goes inside the door, the column, all, every single glass, you can't break, like

00:12:52.220 you could sit in your car and flip anybody off.

00:12:55.900 And if you're locked in, they cannot get it.

00:12:58.060 Like, you'd just be like, whatever, you know, but which is, it's not funny, but like they,

00:13:04.900 they still like an iPhone, just to give you an example, an iPhone down there, just think

00:13:09.760 about currency.

00:13:10.460 You have to think about one-to-one.

00:13:12.280 If I say, because the dollar there, it's five to one.

00:13:15.360 Okay.

00:13:15.900 So yeah.

00:13:16.280 So $1, it's five of our currency.

00:13:18.360 Okay.

00:13:18.660 Got it.

00:13:19.140 Let's pretend you live there.

00:13:20.260 So if you make 10 grand, you're making 10, whatever.

00:13:24.640 Right.

00:13:24.960 Right.

00:13:25.440 So an iPhone there, it's 50 grand.

00:13:27.600 50 grand in reals.

00:13:29.280 In reals.

00:13:30.220 Reals.

00:13:30.520 But you have to think that if, if, if you live there, you're making 50 grand of something.

00:13:35.120 Right.

00:13:35.520 So, but I'm telling you, so, and then the, the minimum wage, it's 2000.

00:13:41.060 So think about this.

00:13:41.920 Wow.

00:13:41.940 So you have to work for a hundred years to make an iPhone?

00:13:43.920 Not a hundred years, but like 10 years, right?

00:13:45.980 Yeah.

00:13:46.440 Sorry.

00:13:46.960 Yeah.

00:13:47.380 So you're walking, you're walking down the street talking on your iPhone.

00:13:50.560 Yeah.

00:13:51.600 Wow.

00:13:52.120 Somebody takes it and then they make two grand a month.

00:13:55.020 They can sell it.

00:13:56.020 Okay.

00:13:56.240 It's stolen, but for 40, that's almost two years of.

00:13:59.560 Of work.

00:14:00.940 So they take it, but you're in a, in a bulletproof car, they, they, they try to actually, they

00:14:04.900 actually tried to break the window and then you just flip them off and say, I'm not getting

00:14:08.720 that one.

00:14:09.340 You keep on knocking, but you can't come in.

00:14:11.100 Which is not funny.

00:14:12.040 I mean, you know, it's miserable to live a life like that.

00:14:14.740 Oh yeah.

00:14:15.660 You're just like this big game of hide and go seek and it's only because you achieved

00:14:18.720 some of your dreams or you had some success.

00:14:20.720 Right.

00:14:21.200 You know, I actually went to one time, um, Salvador.

00:14:24.780 Salvador, that's where I'm from.

00:14:25.880 Really?

00:14:26.240 Yeah.

00:14:26.420 That's where I was born.

00:14:27.540 Dude, I got mugged by.

00:14:29.080 Here you go.

00:14:29.560 They, uh, I mean, it was all, it's beautiful, but also I got mugged, um, by a woman there,

00:14:35.560 dude.

00:14:35.800 And I never fought a woman before.

00:14:37.240 What did she take?

00:14:38.260 She, I had, uh, some of my money and just belongings in my front pockets.

00:14:42.840 Right.

00:14:43.140 So she put one of her hands in my pocket.

00:14:46.420 So I grabbed her wrist and held it against my side.

00:14:50.260 So locked her hand in my pocket.

00:14:52.060 But then now she and I each had to start, you know, I never, I didn't know she was a woman

00:14:57.380 at first.

00:14:57.740 So I was just ready to defend myself.

00:14:59.660 And then we, we, we, we, we, we each punched each other a decent amount.

00:15:03.540 But guys, look at, look, can you imagine Theo?

00:15:05.440 Like, does he look like a Brazilian walking down the street in Brazil now?

00:15:09.240 No.

00:15:09.680 That's why.

00:15:10.540 Yeah.

00:15:12.660 Yeah.

00:15:12.980 I don't look like Pele.

00:15:13.780 I look like Pele.

00:15:14.560 That's a shame, man.

00:15:14.780 I'm sorry.

00:15:15.440 Yeah.

00:15:15.780 It's, you know, it was, I thought, look, it was awesome.

00:15:17.840 And it kind of was like, and I hadn't had any coffee.

00:15:20.520 So it was like free coffee.

00:15:21.960 I mean, that'll get you going.

00:15:23.020 Oh, it gets your adrenaline up.

00:15:24.540 But it was also, you know, I mean, I think some of that stuff is just, it's not a frown

00:15:29.360 on the society.

00:15:30.040 It's just part of, you know, some cultures there, you know, they're not doing as well.

00:15:33.720 And I remember there was a kid who said he would bite me and that he was infected, that

00:15:38.960 he had HIV.

00:15:40.300 Right.

00:15:40.660 And it was just like a scam, you know?

00:15:42.900 And I was like, well, I probably, I might have something, you know?

00:15:46.520 So I'll bite you.

00:15:48.020 And then I think I just gave him a couple of dollars, but I actually, I admired his ingenuity.

00:15:52.920 A little bit, you know, that freaking, that dirty Dracula vibe.

00:15:55.680 And that's desperation, right?

00:15:56.600 You think about, like, it's just like being in the jungle, right?

00:16:00.240 You're like, well, it's not fair that the lion's going to eat the little elephant, but

00:16:03.080 he needs to do that to survive.

00:16:04.540 And that's basically, unfortunately, it's what with like, you know, when your family is

00:16:10.980 starving and you can't make ends meet and you're making less than a thousand bucks a

00:16:16.680 month and it costs you five grand to live.

00:16:19.260 Yeah.

00:16:20.020 People do desperate things.

00:16:21.660 Oh.

00:16:21.920 You know, it's a shame.

00:16:22.600 It's really a shame.

00:16:23.740 Yeah.

00:16:24.120 And then it becomes a culture because then it starts like that, but then people go, oh,

00:16:28.620 that's easy.

00:16:29.680 Right.

00:16:30.000 Right?

00:16:30.740 Yeah, I'll do it.

00:16:31.600 I mean, why am I going to work nine hours a day to make $2,000 if I can steal a phone

00:16:36.160 and make it 40?

00:16:37.500 Right.

00:16:38.060 In 30 seconds.

00:16:39.200 And then you have weird things where it's like, okay, if I have one kid and he's out

00:16:43.220 threatening to bite people and making money, why don't I have five kids and have a little

00:16:47.800 nibbling family out there?

00:16:48.900 And then it becomes of like, you know, like a cool, like a chorus almost.

00:16:52.460 Right.

00:16:53.000 Like just like, you know, they're just out there just snacking on people.

00:16:55.580 Um, but yeah, I think a lot of that is just, it happens with poverty.

00:17:00.100 Even in poverty, people have to find a way to survive.

00:17:02.620 So the, and then when you're, when you're poor, your enemy, cause my enemy always growing

00:17:08.840 up was rich people.

00:17:09.840 I fucking hate a rich people, dude, you know?

00:17:12.700 And for no reason except that they were rich and you kind of have to have an enemy and,

00:17:18.860 you know, especially when you don't have anything, you got to have an enemy.

00:17:22.200 You know, it's a motivation.

00:17:23.180 I take it as a motivation.

00:17:24.640 That's what it is.

00:17:25.280 Like, you know what?

00:17:26.360 It's not, I'll show you.

00:17:27.480 Yes.

00:17:28.000 You think you're rich.

00:17:28.800 Yeah.

00:17:29.340 It's a motivation, man.

00:17:31.000 Like, I remember the first time I went to somebody's house and they had a dog in the,

00:17:35.240 in, inside and it blew my mind.

00:17:37.920 It was like inside dog.

00:17:39.080 I'd never seen it.

00:17:40.100 I thought it was like a myth that, you know, it seemed like something out of the Bible.

00:17:44.300 You know, I remember being by my buddy Scott's house.

00:17:46.440 You know, dogs do acupuncture now.

00:17:48.100 You know that they have masseuse.

00:17:49.500 Do you know that?

00:17:49.940 Do they?

00:17:50.320 Yeah, man.

00:17:51.240 See, you're going to hate them even more.

00:17:52.760 Not the dogs, but.

00:17:53.660 Bring up that dog acupuncture, please.

00:17:55.520 Let's get a peek at it.

00:17:56.700 I want to see what you're talking about.

00:17:58.800 Cause I never seen an animal shoot up.

00:18:01.020 Look at that.

00:18:01.720 Oh, wow.

00:18:02.860 Yeah.

00:18:05.440 Oh, come on.

00:18:06.380 See?

00:18:06.660 Some of this seems mildly satanic.

00:18:08.720 They have migraines.

00:18:10.300 That's what they say.

00:18:11.120 I don't know.

00:18:11.660 I have migraines.

00:18:12.680 I do acupuncture, but.

00:18:13.860 Yeah?

00:18:14.080 How does your dog tell you you have a migraine, you know?

00:18:17.200 I don't know.

00:18:17.640 Somebody tells you that, right?

00:18:20.640 Yeah.

00:18:21.060 Somebody tells you.

00:18:22.000 Right.

00:18:22.320 And you believe it.

00:18:23.220 Yeah.

00:18:23.460 The dog isn't saying it.

00:18:25.400 Yeah.

00:18:25.820 The dog, this seems like a little voodoo dog right there.

00:18:28.540 That one.

00:18:30.300 Wow.

00:18:30.760 Hey, can you bring up an article on it, please?

00:18:32.440 Do you mind, bub?

00:18:33.980 Dog acupuncture.

00:18:36.900 Yeah.

00:18:37.280 When I was young, they didn't have dogs.

00:18:40.640 Didn't do acupuncture.

00:18:41.860 I think that, you know, like they say that they have arthritis, like, you know, like some

00:18:46.940 stuff like that.

00:18:47.900 But they got four legs, man.

00:18:49.380 If you got four legs, you're going to get arthritis, bro.

00:18:52.960 If you don't think you're getting arthritis and you're on four legs, that's your fault.

00:18:56.560 Into the dog's body at specific points where nerves and blood vessels converge, these points

00:19:02.720 are located in sites called meridians.

00:19:04.820 Just like human, huh?

00:19:06.360 Just like human acupuncture.

00:19:08.240 But that's what I'm saying, though.

00:19:09.440 But we can go to an acupuncture guy or doctor, whatever you call, say, I'm having a headache.

00:19:15.760 Like, how do you know your dog does?

00:19:18.060 Yeah.

00:19:18.780 You woke up in the morning and said, let me take the dog to the vet because she barked

00:19:23.500 a little weird.

00:19:25.040 She has a migraine on it.

00:19:26.500 He had a long night.

00:19:27.640 Yeah.

00:19:27.900 I think he could.

00:19:28.540 Yeah.

00:19:29.160 That's crazy, bro.

00:19:30.100 That's wild.

00:19:30.960 And that's one of the side effects of having too much money in a culture.

00:19:33.800 Well, but also, it's the same.

00:19:35.160 I have dogs.

00:19:36.400 I mean, I had dogs all my life.

00:19:37.840 The kids love them.

00:19:39.160 And then it becomes part of your family.

00:19:41.480 Right.

00:19:42.120 And you just will do whatever.

00:19:43.700 Yeah, I guess I would never.

00:19:45.840 I couldn't imagine a dog getting acupuncture.

00:19:48.200 I think I don't know if it would.

00:19:50.380 I couldn't do it, I don't think, no matter what was going on with it.

00:19:54.020 Even if I got a little note from it saying, hey, man, I'd love a Chinese therapy or something.

00:20:01.100 I'd say no.

00:20:03.220 I'd say no.

00:20:04.200 But I remember, yeah, the first time I ever saw a golden retriever indoors.

00:20:08.060 I said I'd never seen a golden retriever before.

00:20:10.040 And it came around the corner of my buddy Scott's house.

00:20:12.480 And it looked like it had just come out of the Bible, man.

00:20:14.520 It was beautiful.

00:20:16.020 God, it was beautiful.

00:20:19.340 In a poor country is, because NASCAR or racing in America is often synonymous with poor people.

00:20:31.480 Right.

00:20:31.740 You know, and I don't know why that is, really.

00:20:36.380 You know, I know when I was, you know, I was poor and a lot of people like cars.

00:20:40.240 Poor people like, you know, getting a car.

00:20:42.680 It's kind of, there's something cool about it.

00:20:44.120 Because we can't have good cars.

00:20:45.400 So we have to like cars because we have the crappiest cars.

00:20:48.000 And you soup them up, right?

00:20:48.760 They're always breaking it.

00:20:49.760 Like, yeah, people would be like, oh, I got, like, I had a 90, 90, I had a 1984 Ford Escort

00:20:55.780 and somebody stole the passenger seat out of it.

00:20:58.300 So you had to get in the front and then just go sit in the back, you know?

00:21:02.480 That's actually like a limousine, man.

00:21:04.060 It was pretty nice, man.

00:21:05.320 It wasn't too bad, but it was weird, though.

00:21:08.460 You know, people would get in the front door and be like, well, where do I even go?

00:21:11.100 And I'm like, well, fucking get in the back.

00:21:12.400 You know what I'm doing?

00:21:13.540 Like I'm your driver or something.

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00:23:24.960 But is it a poor sport because you grew up in Brazil?

00:23:28.620 What's it like there?

00:23:30.620 Well, I mean, actually, it's funny how it's cool to hear a prospect of somebody that is not involved in racing

00:23:37.600 because actually racing, it's a very like, it's a rich people sport because you spend so much money.

00:23:45.540 Like people that work in racing, I can argue that mechanics and engineers and even drivers,

00:23:50.960 and especially in the lower levels.

00:23:52.780 It's blue collar.

00:23:53.720 No, it's people that, you know, sometimes don't have, but like to fund a kid to race go-karts nowadays,

00:24:00.020 you're going to spend at least $200,000 a year.

00:24:02.680 Wow.

00:24:03.300 And in go-karts, you don't find a sponsor to get the return, right?

00:24:07.040 I mean, nowadays, a little easier.

00:24:09.100 But so Brazil is like, we have soccer, which is extremely popular.

00:24:16.480 Because it's very cheap.

00:24:18.180 Oh, y'all are so good at soccer, we watch.

00:24:19.900 Right.

00:24:20.180 But all we need to play soccer is soccer ball.

00:24:23.340 Right.

00:24:23.540 So anybody can have that.

00:24:24.740 You can play anywhere.

00:24:25.820 So in the favelas, which is like people live in this cartoon houses, board it.

00:24:31.700 Yeah.

00:24:32.020 You can play anywhere.

00:24:32.940 So we have the majority, 80% of the population play soccer.

00:24:37.100 And then you have the second biggest sport is racing, because it became very popular back

00:24:44.000 in the day, but it's very expensive.

00:24:45.980 So it becomes a rich people.

00:24:48.380 If you're rich, you go-karting.

00:24:50.380 If you don't have a lot of money, you're playing soccer.

00:24:53.100 So I was very fortunate because my family wasn't rich, but we were not poor.

00:24:59.020 We're mid-class.

00:25:00.680 My dad worked really hard.

00:25:01.980 But so I started, I used to watch races with him on TV since I was, I mean, since I can

00:25:08.200 remember.

00:25:08.680 So like four years old, five years old, watching Formula One and IndyCar.

00:25:12.760 And some, NASCAR wasn't very popular at the time.

00:25:15.140 It was more open wheel.

00:25:17.340 And-

00:25:17.980 You'd go watch in person?

00:25:19.100 You guys were watching-

00:25:19.660 Yes, both.

00:25:20.320 Right.

00:25:20.640 So we do a father and son thing.

00:25:22.480 And so finally, when I was eight years old, I actually asked him for a go-kart.

00:25:28.240 So he bought me a go-kart and started to kind of fund it.

00:25:32.320 We didn't have the best equipment, but I was pretty good at it.

00:25:36.200 I won every championship I've ever raced from eight to 16.

00:25:41.460 But what happened was when I was 10 years old, dad got diagnosed with cancer.

00:25:49.000 And he was really ill for like three years.

00:25:51.100 And when I was 13, unfortunately, he passed.

00:25:54.820 But with his passing, we basically lost everything.

00:25:59.560 And into a year, my dad ran his business, but my mom always, my dad was from Lebanon,

00:26:05.440 a very, like the mentality there was my wife will take care of my kids.

00:26:12.840 Right, manner the breadwinner.

00:26:13.740 Yeah, no, and I get home, everybody needs to be ready.

00:26:17.120 You're talking about-

00:26:18.380 Traditional?

00:26:18.840 48 years ago, very traditional.

00:26:20.580 But we needed to wait for him to have dinner.

00:26:23.860 And my mom and we all sit on the table, very like-

00:26:27.500 So mom was, my dad was 42 when he passed.

00:26:31.320 Wow, so young.

00:26:32.160 My mom was 36 and never had work.

00:26:34.500 So basically, to make a little story short, his business just went bad.

00:26:41.100 We lost everything.

00:26:42.280 So we basically went from mid-class to like, then we really like, we had, we didn't have

00:26:48.880 a car.

00:26:50.320 We both went, my sister and I, we were in public, private schools.

00:26:54.960 We went to public.

00:26:55.620 But remember, public schools there are not like public schools here.

00:27:01.020 If you go to public school, it's because you can't afford it and the, it's not good.

00:27:07.400 The safety level falls off, huh?

00:27:08.760 Safety level, but even the education, it's not as high.

00:27:12.800 It's not as good because it's just like a product of, you know, the government that we have.

00:27:19.080 But, so then I had to go work.

00:27:21.480 So my dad made him promise him that one day, the day before he passed, he called me up in

00:27:29.100 the hospital and we're sitting, he was actually very lucid.

00:27:33.140 It wasn't like, and going to a hospital with him, I did it for three years in a row.

00:27:37.400 So it was very, it wasn't a problem.

00:27:39.960 He's like, hey, let's go sit down and have a chat.

00:27:42.540 So he asked, actually, it was on a Thursday.

00:27:44.660 He called my mom.

00:27:45.860 I was at the racetrack.

00:27:46.800 We usually, like race weekends are Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

00:27:50.340 Even for go-karting it was?

00:27:51.280 Even for go-karting.

00:27:52.240 So it was Thursday afternoon.

00:27:53.760 I was at the track getting ready for Friday.

00:27:56.120 And he asked my mom to tell me to stop by the hospital because he wanted to speak to me.

00:28:01.600 So we sat down and I sat in his bed.

00:28:04.000 He's talking, obviously sick, cancer, you know, no hair, but not like, oh, he's dying or something.

00:28:11.360 And he's like, hey man, you know, if anything ever happens to me, I, you need to promise

00:28:16.660 me, you, you need to take care of your mom and sister, but also you're never going to

00:28:20.360 give up racing because you're really good at it.

00:28:22.940 And I'm like, but he, he like over the course of the three years, we had a lot of talks like

00:28:27.600 that.

00:28:27.780 I think he was trying to prepare me.

00:28:29.960 I have a younger sister.

00:28:30.900 So I was the oldest.

00:28:32.520 I'm like, yeah.

00:28:33.260 And he says, and one day you need to win the Indy 500 for me because we used to watch

00:28:38.120 that race.

00:28:39.440 And to me as a kid, I mean, it has nothing to do with the wind with a, I remember that

00:28:44.120 the window will take a picture with a million dollars cash around the car.

00:28:47.720 That for me was like, that's what I want.

00:28:50.220 Wow.

00:28:50.460 Like as a kid, you're like, whoa.

00:28:52.400 Yeah.

00:28:52.820 Right.

00:28:53.080 It was like, dude, I don't have a freaking million dollars here.

00:28:56.060 So he says, and I said, yeah, man, sure.

00:28:58.980 But what are you talking about?

00:29:00.160 Whatever.

00:29:00.920 So I go home that night.

00:29:02.580 I fall asleep.

00:29:03.480 I wake up Friday morning to go to the track.

00:29:05.400 My mom's at home.

00:29:06.120 I'm like, what are you doing?

00:29:06.820 And she goes, well, your dad passed last night in the middle of the night.

00:29:11.860 And so I just came here to tell you, but before he passed, he asked me to remind you

00:29:17.040 what you guys talked.

00:29:18.920 Really?

00:29:19.480 Yeah.

00:29:19.960 So I was like, then she says, do you know, do you know what it is?

00:29:23.060 She wasn't there.

00:29:24.100 I said, yeah, of course.

00:29:25.220 She goes, okay.

00:29:25.780 I said, well, I'm going to go to a racetrack.

00:29:28.560 She goes, what?

00:29:29.200 I said, well, that's what we talked.

00:29:30.920 So I did not go to his services.

00:29:35.080 I didn't think I, I didn't want to have the picture of my dad laying there.

00:29:38.780 I think as a kid, he was going to adopt me for a long time.

00:29:42.720 So was that a personal choice or was that a part of your mother's choice?

00:29:45.340 Cause that seemed like a strong choice.

00:29:47.080 Mom was actually, because I said, well, I think the first thing was a promise that I

00:29:52.140 made him because I had a race that weekend.

00:29:53.800 So I said, I promise I'm going to keep racing.

00:29:55.620 I can't miss a race.

00:29:57.060 Right.

00:29:57.420 So I went, but in the process, I think, I think I don't recall exactly because it was

00:30:04.260 such a long time ago, but I think that probably led to maybe, I mean, the goodbye was the night

00:30:11.500 before.

00:30:12.020 It's not, he's not going to talk to me.

00:30:14.020 Right.

00:30:14.400 You know, I know people like to pay respects, but I mean, that's my choice.

00:30:18.520 And your mother was okay with you making that choice?

00:30:20.400 Yeah.

00:30:20.760 Because that was, because I told her the promise I made him that I was going to go race

00:30:24.240 and I won that race.

00:30:25.440 Wow.

00:30:25.640 So that trophy from that day, uh, April 8th, 1998, my mother still has it in her nightstand

00:30:33.360 in her home.

00:30:33.980 Oh, that's beautiful.

00:30:35.340 So, and then from then on, basically it starts the poor kid.

00:30:40.680 Living the promise.

00:30:41.560 Right.

00:30:42.080 Right.

00:30:42.420 And then I had to do whatever I had to do.

00:30:44.960 Man, that's, um, it's interesting, man.

00:30:47.920 Yeah.

00:30:48.040 My father passed a cancer when I was 16 and, uh, and he was, um, he was 70 when I was born.

00:30:59.840 So he was older.

00:31:00.900 So even today when I got to go over by you guys' track and ride around with, uh, Mr.

00:31:05.660 Andretti, who I think was 82.

00:31:07.720 Yeah.

00:31:08.100 It's like, that reminded me of being a kid riding around with my dad.

00:31:13.440 I mean, my dad went a little slower, but that was, you know, that was the, when I was 10,

00:31:22.440 when I was 12 years old, my dad was 82 and we go drive.

00:31:25.240 And then when he, when I was 13, he let me drive when I was tall enough, he let me drive

00:31:30.340 and he would just sleep and stuff while I was driving, which was insane.

00:31:33.520 Cause I didn't know, I had no idea what I was doing.

00:31:35.980 So, um, yeah, I've never done anything like NASCAR, but, uh, that was the closest I'd ever

00:31:41.200 came was just driving a senior citizen around.

00:31:43.600 Um, but that was a little bit of a similar experience that I had out there today.

00:31:47.780 Um, so the, the prominence of racing is that big in Brazil?

00:31:52.740 It's big.

00:31:53.340 Obviously it could be bigger, but it's so expensive that it's not, but like a kid that

00:31:58.700 is born in Brazil and obviously follows sports, either they want to be a soccer player or a

00:32:05.200 race car driver.

00:32:06.260 And well, it's easy, it's easier there for wealthier kids to get into.

00:32:09.180 It's like the.

00:32:10.260 In racing, you have, if you have 20 kids, one will be that has no money.

00:32:15.740 Everything, everybody else has a parent or somebody that is paying a hell of a lot of

00:32:20.880 money to, for them to start.

00:32:23.380 Wow.

00:32:23.580 And only becomes more expensive, right?

00:32:25.420 So when I looked, because let me, when I look what my mother did for me after my dad

00:32:32.740 passed, because like I said, we're mid-class, I mean, dad was responsible.

00:32:37.400 So we had some savings and my mother to keep my dream and my promise to my dad alive, kept

00:32:43.640 funding.

00:32:44.240 And that's why we ran out of money.

00:32:46.540 Wow.

00:32:47.240 And I told her that I have four kids now.

00:32:51.800 And with all due respect to my kids, if they want to follow our career, I wouldn't jeopardize

00:32:58.340 because I have, I had a sister that had to actually sacrifice for me as well.

00:33:03.300 Wow.

00:33:03.860 Right.

00:33:04.660 I don't think I could do it to one of my kids because what about the other three?

00:33:08.000 Okay.

00:33:08.160 I have a little bit too many kids, I think, for that, but it was me and my sister and

00:33:12.600 I got all of it.

00:33:13.800 Yeah.

00:33:14.140 Spent all of it.

00:33:15.560 And she's like.

00:33:16.660 What about me?

00:33:17.320 What about me?

00:33:18.160 Was there favoritism?

00:33:19.320 Is there like, because you were the male as well?

00:33:21.780 Was that part of yourself's culture?

00:33:22.900 And you know, that's something that I, I, I joke about it.

00:33:26.620 But I said, the day that I find that I, you know, finally I'm not around and I meet my

00:33:32.240 dad again, he's going to hear because it was a big responsibility that he put it on

00:33:37.580 me because until this day, my sister never said a word.

00:33:42.540 Wow.

00:33:42.720 I mean, they all knew the story.

00:33:44.820 So I think it was more of dad's word, putting the responsibility on me and on them to sacrifice

00:33:51.400 for me, for a dream that we had, him and I.

00:33:55.040 Right.

00:33:55.380 They had nothing to do with it.

00:33:56.740 Wow.

00:33:57.380 So that must've felt like an added pressure, huh?

00:33:59.580 But Theo, yeah, because, but, because then you think about it after a year, year and a

00:34:04.080 half, we lose everything.

00:34:05.920 Then I actually quit school.

00:34:08.300 I, I stopped.

00:34:10.240 I was in ninth grade because I had to go to work.

00:34:12.680 Pretty high.

00:34:14.220 You know, so I had to stop.

00:34:16.060 She obviously graduated.

00:34:17.460 She's extremely successful now, but it becomes that I started working on the go-kart factory

00:34:22.640 to be able to have money to pay for our bills and also had the equipment to keep racing

00:34:29.500 go-karts.

00:34:30.060 So it was, it was a good, good situation.

00:34:31.760 But, but then since then, well, not my sister anymore, but I still take care of my mom.

00:34:37.300 She's still my responsibility.

00:34:39.120 So all of a sudden a 15 year old had two daughters.

00:34:44.240 I didn't have my mom anymore.

00:34:45.480 Oh, interesting.

00:34:46.360 Right.

00:34:46.560 My mom was 38, trying to find a job anywhere, even here, a 38 year old woman that never

00:34:54.100 worked in her life, trying to find a job that you can actually maintain two kids.

00:34:59.580 And, you know, it's hard.

00:35:00.700 Nobody will give her a job.

00:35:02.200 So I finally had a good friend that owned five nightclubs in Brazil and nightclubs.

00:35:10.920 I mean, it's a mess, right?

00:35:12.140 So they always worry about people stealing from the cashier because they deal with a lot

00:35:15.560 of cash.

00:35:16.040 Oh yeah.

00:35:16.540 Oh, I used to work at one I stole.

00:35:18.960 So he was like, Hey man, I need somebody to take care of all the cashiers and somebody

00:35:23.120 that I trust.

00:35:23.780 And he knew my mother would never.

00:35:25.920 So basically my mom was to go to work at 11 at night and come back when they close the

00:35:30.960 nightclubs, which in Brazil it's 5am, ain't 2.30 in the morning, like some of the places

00:35:35.740 here.

00:35:36.260 Yeah.

00:35:36.660 So we never really actually saw each other.

00:35:39.700 Oh, wow.

00:35:40.480 Right.

00:35:40.760 So this past is just.

00:35:41.600 Yeah.

00:35:41.820 She'll come home to sleep and I'll be leaving to go to work and my sister had to go to school.

00:35:46.360 So.

00:35:46.740 So at what point do you get out of go-karts then?

00:35:49.420 Cause I mean, obviously, you know, you've had like the penultimate of success, like in

00:35:53.300 America is kind of, I guess the Indy 500, you know, it's like, I'm sure it's a lot of

00:35:57.820 you guys's dream.

00:35:58.900 Right.

00:35:59.120 So how do you get from, you know, go-karts?

00:36:02.400 When do you make that transfer and how does that happen for a driver?

00:36:05.360 Do you get called up?

00:36:06.860 Is it a matter of sponsorship?

00:36:08.500 They are, they are all, all the above, but my story was, I had no money.

00:36:15.340 I mean, but people knew my story.

00:36:17.080 So you have a couple of friends that would help you out.

00:36:19.760 You have a team that would, but at the end of the day, you have to win races.

00:36:24.860 That's the best way you can actually achieve success or move and get hired.

00:36:30.980 But.

00:36:31.120 And why did you win?

00:36:32.480 Do you think at that point, why were you winning?

00:36:35.000 Honestly, I, I, I'm, I could sit here and say, well, you know, I'm very talented.

00:36:38.940 I'm good in what I do, which I believe that, but I think at that point I had no choice.

00:36:45.440 I had to, right.

00:36:47.180 I mean, it got to a point that, but people ask me, what about if it didn't work?

00:36:54.220 So I never give myself that option.

00:36:57.480 It was going to work.

00:36:58.880 Now, was I going to go to IndyCar and win the Indy 500?

00:37:02.920 I didn't know that, but I said, this is what I know what to do.

00:37:07.000 And then this is how I need to make a living.

00:37:08.640 So it's going to work.

00:37:09.760 So I think what made me good, it was like, just whatever, man, I, I sleep in a floor on

00:37:15.960 a mattress, on a floor in a race shop for three years.

00:37:19.380 Wow.

00:37:20.020 In my boss's office.

00:37:22.020 I will get up and kick some ass in the racetrack.

00:37:24.940 And I think you can see that.

00:37:27.380 Like, you know, when you, you can see when somebody, do you really want it that bad, man?

00:37:31.720 I mean, I, I left my country.

00:37:33.280 I didn't speak.

00:37:34.120 When I came to America, I spoke zero English.

00:37:36.200 That was back in 1996.

00:37:37.620 Oh, I went to Italy first.

00:37:39.840 You should have went in a NASCAR then.

00:37:40.420 You should have went in a NASCAR.

00:37:43.100 So, and I went to Italy first before I came here.

00:37:46.960 And, and it was just, I think, to be honest, when people, actually, my, my 14 year old just

00:37:51.980 asked me that question because he's in the phase of trying to figure out what he wants

00:37:57.020 to do.

00:37:57.400 And kids nowadays have 3000 options.

00:37:59.900 Yeah.

00:38:01.920 And I said, I said, I think it was the no option, no choice.

00:38:07.620 Interesting.

00:38:09.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.340 I can kind of relate to some of that.

00:38:10.860 Like even with standup comedy, I never felt like I was going to lose really.

00:38:16.120 Right.

00:38:16.420 But, but you, how many people said, go find a job, man.

00:38:19.660 You think just you're going to make people laugh all your life.

00:38:21.880 You think, what about, you're not that funny.

00:38:23.500 You know, like that is always, and there are people that are like, no man, go ahead.

00:38:26.680 You know?

00:38:27.060 Yeah.

00:38:27.480 Like that is always going to be, and nowadays it's even worse because everybody has an opinion

00:38:31.120 that they can write about it.

00:38:32.240 Right.

00:38:32.440 And you can get instant on, but yeah, I, I, I never thought anything.

00:38:39.940 I said, I'm going to make this work.

00:38:42.180 Cause it's interesting.

00:38:43.100 I thought maybe you would be a lot more intense when I met you, you know, cause I don't have

00:38:47.860 a concept of what really drivers are like, you know, the only, uh, race car.

00:38:53.220 I met Tony Stewart one time.

00:38:54.780 I did some commercials with him like many years ago.

00:38:57.660 Yeah.

00:38:57.760 He was interesting.

00:38:58.600 He seen, he kind of like, was like, kind of like, uh, he seemed like a little quiet and

00:39:06.400 maybe crazy.

00:39:07.640 I don't know.

00:39:08.140 I couldn't tell.

00:39:09.120 He was an interesting dude.

00:39:10.100 Where am I then?

00:39:10.820 You know?

00:39:11.280 Right.

00:39:11.560 Right.

00:39:11.940 Just tell me.

00:39:12.860 I'm interested to hear.

00:39:14.600 I don't know what Tony was like.

00:39:16.200 I saw him at the comedy club actually a couple of years ago and I went up and said hey to

00:39:19.300 him.

00:39:19.760 I'm trying to remember what he was like.

00:39:21.300 I can't, I, you know, I can't even remember that, that good.

00:39:23.980 He kind of kept to himself a little bit and he had this blonde chick with him too, man,

00:39:28.040 with some damn bombs on him.

00:39:29.060 You know, that's race car drivers.

00:39:30.520 We always have hot chicks.

00:39:31.560 Yeah.

00:39:32.160 Huh?

00:39:32.480 It is, huh?

00:39:33.620 Yeah.

00:39:34.540 They just something.

00:39:35.280 But then we're so short.

00:39:36.300 So every woman is a lot taller than us.

00:39:38.020 It's crazy.

00:39:39.380 Yeah.

00:39:39.580 That's why a lot of times you don't even know what driver the chick is with.

00:39:42.940 Cause you just see the chick.

00:39:44.180 Just look for the short guy and you'll find it.

00:39:46.040 Oh, look at her old son.

00:39:48.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:49.600 It's like, you know, and then they're going to go, look, he's, she's only with him because

00:39:54.000 he's somebody because he can't, he can't date somebody that short.

00:39:58.320 And then, uh, and then I met Clint Boyer a few times.

00:40:01.920 He's kind of a, who's a, he's a buddy of mine, man.

00:40:04.180 He's crazy, man.

00:40:04.480 He's crazy.

00:40:05.000 And he is sheerly crazy.

00:40:06.560 Like you could see that he probably hadn't slept in maybe 17 or 18 years.

00:40:13.020 You know what I'm saying?

00:40:14.080 Like he's just got fucking, you know, his, his stare is like 93 octane, you know, he's

00:40:19.160 got really, he's got diesel in his fucking, you know, just in his damn, uh, in his gums.

00:40:24.520 You can really feel it coming off of him.

00:40:26.780 Um, so yeah, I was, I was like, I was, my question is, what is it?

00:40:32.940 Is it intensity?

00:40:33.820 What does it take to really make someone who can operate a vehicle at these speeds and

00:40:39.260 be in that sort of atmosphere?

00:40:41.480 Cause, uh, even just going today on the trial, you know, went around for a couple of laps or

00:40:46.080 something and it was, you know, it was just damn intense.

00:40:49.280 You know, all my blood went to my back strap or whatever.

00:40:52.880 And yeah, but, you know, I was just full in the back, you know, I felt like I just, you

00:40:57.520 know, I don't know.

00:40:59.080 I just felt like you get a boner.

00:41:00.380 Like you said you would, dude, I got the opposite of a boner, man.

00:41:03.820 You know why?

00:41:04.580 I'll tell you why, because it gets tight.

00:41:06.340 So you ain't getting a boner.

00:41:07.260 I didn't want to spoil your, uh, comment there, but I let you experience, but, um, no,

00:41:14.640 man, I, I, I honestly think the biggest thing is you need to be able to convert lives.

00:41:19.980 Like, like you need to divide what you can't leave your life the way you race.

00:41:25.360 Life's not a race.

00:41:27.040 And, and I, I'm saying that now because I got, somebody brought that up to me eventually,

00:41:34.740 because when you grow up in, in a competitive environment, that's the only thing, you know,

00:41:42.680 right?

00:41:43.340 So anything is a competition.

00:41:46.880 Let's go down the stairs.

00:41:48.720 I want to beat you.

00:41:49.820 Yeah.

00:41:50.020 It doesn't matter.

00:41:50.500 It doesn't even, what is that for?

00:41:52.640 If you're going to beat me, it doesn't matter.

00:41:54.880 Let's go out.

00:41:56.440 I know exactly what, where are we going now?

00:41:58.560 Where are we going?

00:41:59.400 To a bar and your buddy's bar and, okay, how long it takes?

00:42:03.280 It's three miles.

00:42:04.080 It's going to, it's like my entire life was like that.

00:42:08.440 So I think you, you met me in a, a very good, I would say a very good moment of my life that

00:42:19.340 I'm more, that I'm calmer.

00:42:21.860 I mean, I used to be a lot more intense.

00:42:24.300 Now I probably know how to separate that and say, okay, time to be intense.

00:42:31.220 It's, it's when I put a helmet on, but I can't carry that all the time.

00:42:34.880 Right.

00:42:35.220 You know, but just to give an example, this morning, I, I drove from Indy to here and four

00:42:41.380 in the morning and somebody was trying to pass me in the highway and I just got the best

00:42:46.620 out of me and said, no, you're not passing me.

00:42:48.820 I'm starting 70, 75.

00:42:52.040 I'm like, dude, come on, give up.

00:42:53.660 And, and, but you know, so I guess, I don't know, maybe it's funny that it's, it's, I

00:43:01.280 like to hear people that meet me for the first time to hear their, because you didn't know

00:43:05.980 me at all.

00:43:06.500 So you haven't followed me.

00:43:08.220 No, I didn't.

00:43:08.760 So, which is a good thing.

00:43:09.740 I'd seen, I'd seen some pictures of you and that was it.

00:43:11.440 And we barely talked because we didn't want to, and the same with me when they, I knew

00:43:16.100 who you were, but I really didn't follow you all the time.

00:43:19.260 And when they said, Hey, you're coming on the show, I said, so here's an example of

00:43:22.940 the show.

00:43:23.280 I said, I don't want to watch it.

00:43:25.200 Yeah.

00:43:26.020 Cause I know who you were.

00:43:27.360 I know what you do as a combat.

00:43:28.520 I said, I don't, I don't want to watch it because I want to be there.

00:43:31.000 I want to experience because I went, Oh, you know, I watched that and I know what I

00:43:34.920 said, I don't want, which was such a coincidence that you said that the first time we just

00:43:39.080 met today is don't mind if I don't speak to you right now.

00:43:42.980 Yeah.

00:43:43.340 The first thing we said to each other was I actually don't want to speak to you either.

00:43:47.120 I don't hate you or anything, but which is, I didn't want to, which is great to hear that

00:43:52.740 because I'm actually very intense.

00:43:55.240 Wow.

00:43:55.940 But, but it's nice that it doesn't come off all the time.

00:43:58.200 Yeah.

00:43:58.480 I've, yeah, I was like, Oh, this guy's really has a, uh, just a fun personality.

00:44:02.480 That's what I thought.

00:44:03.120 And I thought, cause I've always thought is intensity the thing that these drivers need

00:44:07.080 because, um, we do.

00:44:09.440 It is.

00:44:09.880 We do.

00:44:10.060 I mean, that is no way you're going to strap your ass in a race car and go some of the

00:44:15.360 tracks, 240 miles an hour here.

00:44:17.240 Okay.

00:44:17.400 Here's 200, but you have walls.

00:44:19.200 You can't make a mistake and not be intense.

00:44:22.200 I mean, just the environment itself is going to bring the pressure.

00:44:25.300 I mean, it's a performance sport.

00:44:28.060 You win.

00:44:29.100 You're good.

00:44:30.120 Monday.

00:44:30.620 You got to do it again.

00:44:31.460 You're not good anymore because Sunday is best.

00:44:33.580 Damn.

00:44:34.080 And the next race you lose, you're bad.

00:44:36.220 So, and that's just like that all the time.

00:44:39.480 Would you say that you probably became pretty hard on, I noticed from my, people always tell

00:44:43.860 me I'm extremely hard on myself.

00:44:45.380 Do you think that you were?

00:44:46.520 A hundred percent.

00:44:46.980 Yeah.

00:44:47.460 I'm my worst enemy.

00:44:48.820 Like, yeah, I suck, you know, like you suck, man.

00:44:52.480 Even when I win, but that's, that's the thing.

00:44:55.220 And those are things that I'm telling you that people that brought that up to me, I didn't

00:44:58.620 really, uh, I'm smart enough to realize you win a race two hours later.

00:45:03.560 And I'm like, fuck, well, yeah, you're never happy.

00:45:10.080 You know, it's like, what the fuck, man?

00:45:11.780 Where does that come from, man?

00:45:13.280 I think we just, you know, when, when you go to what you do, man, and then that's why

00:45:19.780 we're good.

00:45:20.600 I'm not, I'm not here bragging.

00:45:22.100 I'm not here sitting here saying, I'm the best, but I think that's what makes you good

00:45:26.020 because if you are happy, then, then, oh yeah, good job, man.

00:45:30.780 That was a good show.

00:45:31.740 Good job.

00:45:32.060 I'm like, no, what can I do better?

00:45:33.900 Right.

00:45:34.300 I won the race, but I, you know.

00:45:36.800 Yeah, I'll come off stage.

00:45:38.000 I will be, people will, my group that is on the side will be like, man.

00:45:41.620 Awesome.

00:45:42.120 And you can see in their faces, they're literally waiting to tell me how great it was.

00:45:46.520 And I'll be like, motherfucker.

00:45:47.740 Do you know I chew their asses?

00:45:49.080 Because it says, you guys only tell me that because I pay you.

00:45:51.200 The day I stop paying you, I want to hear what you have to say.

00:45:53.900 So let's do this.

00:45:54.780 I'm going to stop paying for a month.

00:45:56.460 You come to a race and you tell me the truth at the end.

00:45:58.800 And, you know, because it's like my friends, bro, awesome races.

00:46:03.840 Shut up.

00:46:04.440 Yeah.

00:46:04.620 You're my friend.

00:46:05.420 Yeah.

00:46:06.220 You never going to say, are you really going to say you come off stage and I'm one of your

00:46:09.560 best buddies?

00:46:10.360 You know what, Theo?

00:46:10.880 You suck, man.

00:46:11.680 I know.

00:46:12.100 That joke was bad.

00:46:13.940 I was like, TK, you drove horrible.

00:46:16.640 It's like.

00:46:16.920 I wonder if I'd appreciate it, though, if one of my friends actually said, hey, man.

00:46:20.160 But, you know, I actually, my mother is the best one because she does.

00:46:24.040 Yeah.

00:46:25.060 She's like, well, are you going to crash again?

00:46:27.160 I'm like, no.

00:46:28.960 Well, it's the way you're driving.

00:46:31.900 I'm like, but I appreciate that.

00:46:33.700 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 It's like, same thing the other day.

00:46:35.620 My wife actually dressed up the other day and says, how do I look?

00:46:38.380 I said, not good.

00:46:39.320 Yeah.

00:46:39.900 Yeah.

00:46:40.200 She's like, what the fuck?

00:46:41.260 I said, well, well, let me explain to you.

00:46:44.420 I don't think, I'm not saying you don't look good.

00:46:47.280 What you're wearing doesn't look good.

00:46:49.000 It's not vulgar.

00:46:49.780 It's just, I don't like it.

00:46:51.020 The pockets on your jeans are spread apart.

00:46:53.640 It looks like you have your mom's butt.

00:46:56.140 So, and I said, and you should appreciate that.

00:46:59.000 Yeah.

00:46:59.360 Because I don't think you look good.

00:47:00.420 And I think a lot of people don't think that you look, but they don't have the balls to

00:47:03.400 tell you.

00:47:04.340 And she actually says, I actually appreciate that.

00:47:06.360 I said, well, then can you start telling me the truth as well?

00:47:08.720 So, I don't think in 15 years I look good all the time.

00:47:11.080 I drove the best races of my life.

00:47:13.040 I'm the best driver in the world.

00:47:14.420 I haven't won a fucking race in three years.

00:47:15.900 So, you can't tell me I'm good.

00:47:16.800 Maybe I am, but there's a lot of people better than me now.

00:47:21.640 Man.

00:47:22.080 Yeah.

00:47:22.280 I used to, I used to date this girl and her, she had the same butt as her dad.

00:47:27.700 It's, it's great.

00:47:28.480 And it always, dude, it was so like, it made it impossible sometimes for like.

00:47:33.480 I have a challenge with my wife, you know, like.

00:47:35.760 For sex, you know, because I'm every time, because her mom's butt.

00:47:39.040 You would see her dad?

00:47:40.000 Oh, well, it just, I didn't, but her mom's, like her dad had, she just had a distinctive

00:47:45.220 looking butt.

00:47:45.820 And when I met her parents, I was like, oh my God, she's a dad.

00:47:48.200 But see, but don't they say that you're, you're, this is going great, guys.

00:47:52.480 Don't you think, they say that you got to look at your mother-in-law to see how your life,

00:47:58.420 your wife's going to look like, which I don't think it's true because you said, you know.

00:48:02.680 Oh, yeah.

00:48:03.260 I told my wife, you better not.

00:48:05.280 Not on this one, yeah.

00:48:06.640 On this one, it'd be different.

00:48:07.620 I'm going to get divorced at sleep.

00:48:08.540 I am, my gosh.

00:48:09.020 No, it's interesting though, being hard, being hard on yourself is interesting.

00:48:13.880 Do you think that you had that your whole life or do you think it happened after your

00:48:17.020 father passed away?

00:48:17.740 Do you think it was just built into you?

00:48:19.460 Well, just granted from eight, I started racing when I was eight, eight to 13, so it

00:48:24.980 was five years.

00:48:26.660 I think my dad was pretty hard on me.

00:48:30.480 Like he was just that type of person, putting the pressure for me to be, you want to be a

00:48:35.020 race car driver?

00:48:35.660 You got to sleep early.

00:48:37.560 You got to eat well, like typical, like you got to be home for dinner.

00:48:43.420 And so I really didn't do anything apart from racing my entire life.

00:48:51.340 I suck at anything else that you tell me to do.

00:48:55.740 So it was like, but that's why he wanted it.

00:48:59.100 And we can sit here and debate if he was still alive, would I resent him or not?

00:49:07.520 Yeah.

00:49:08.020 Right?

00:49:08.800 But because he's not, it was a choice that I made.

00:49:11.740 Yeah.

00:49:12.380 Right?

00:49:12.660 Because you see that on top athletes all the time.

00:49:15.300 I mean, you see in tennis players, like your parents are the ones they will.

00:49:18.660 Because at eight years old, I can't just, I didn't woke up and say, ah, I want to be a

00:49:23.340 race car driver.

00:49:23.840 He took me to the races, kind of induced me to.

00:49:26.700 Same way I take my kids to do six different sports to see what they like the most.

00:49:30.980 Yeah.

00:49:31.140 Whatever they like, we're going to help them because I think it's healthy.

00:49:34.660 But yeah.

00:49:36.100 No, I think, yeah, I was always really like, I don't think ever I finish a race, even if

00:49:44.120 I win in the races that I won, that I would tell myself, hey, good job.

00:49:50.180 Yeah.

00:49:51.300 Which is kind of sad.

00:49:53.420 Yeah.

00:49:54.220 You know what I mean?

00:49:54.760 Even, man, you are talking, I am listening to myself right now, you know?

00:49:59.660 Yeah.

00:50:00.480 It's sad in a way, but I can't do it.

00:50:02.720 I know.

00:50:03.700 And you always think about next.

00:50:05.320 Well, because you raised the bar, right?

00:50:08.000 Well, then, and everybody's watching because people, everybody's watching you.

00:50:12.060 Your job is much harder than mine because people have to laugh or clap.

00:50:16.980 If I crash, they actually, they clap because I come out of the car alive.

00:50:20.600 I guess it's consolation.

00:50:22.300 If you're bad for it, loser, go home.

00:50:27.260 You made a few bucks.

00:50:29.140 Your job might be harder because people hate being in traffic and that's what you're in,

00:50:33.140 you know?

00:50:33.480 They hate me even more.

00:50:35.120 So I drive a minivan with kids and they hate minivans.

00:50:39.500 I can tell you that.

00:50:40.140 You see a minivan, you think it's an old lady with kids.

00:50:43.020 She's going to be on her phone.

00:50:44.560 They just, whatever opportunity people have to pass a minivan, they will because they're

00:50:49.580 like, I can't be behind this person.

00:50:50.980 And then you get me driving a minivan that gives people to run over their money.

00:50:55.460 But then I have my kids and my wife, what are you doing?

00:50:58.620 I actually, this is the only time I know what I'm doing.

00:51:02.040 So shut up.

00:51:04.160 Yeah, this is it.

00:51:05.300 This is it.

00:51:06.200 You know, I'm not good.

00:51:07.440 Dad, you can't play baseball.

00:51:08.880 You can't.

00:51:09.100 No, I can't.

00:51:09.760 But this, I can.

00:51:11.420 So you guys shush it.

00:51:13.920 Once I park, yeah, I'm back.

00:51:15.860 Right, I'm back to the loser that you guys think I am.

00:51:18.760 I can't tax.

00:51:19.660 I can't talk on the phone.

00:51:21.080 I can't play any games.

00:51:22.400 I can't play basketball.

00:51:23.540 Nothing.

00:51:24.120 But this is what I do.

00:51:27.120 Man, you're like a cartoon character, dude.

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00:54:24.260 I used to see, I used to listen to this singer called T-Maya.

00:54:30.220 Yeah, T-Maya, of course.

00:54:31.620 It's my favorite.

00:54:33.140 It had like love songs and stuff.

00:54:34.840 Yeah, man, he's awesome.

00:54:35.840 I met a guy, a friend, this guy named Patricio, and he used to do racing actually too.

00:54:42.900 And he's from Brazil and he would always listen to it and like sing.

00:54:47.220 He liked like, you know, slow dancing with the ladies.

00:54:50.560 He's like a Brazilian soul, like the guy, the singer.

00:54:53.300 Yeah.

00:54:53.760 He passed away, but.

00:54:54.860 It was cool.

00:54:55.380 Can you bring him up?

00:54:56.100 Bring up T-Maya.

00:54:56.860 Do you know how to spell it?

00:54:57.720 I don't know how to spell it.

00:54:58.560 T-I-M space M-A-I-A.

00:55:04.340 Here we go.

00:55:06.560 Oh, yeah.

00:55:07.800 Big dude.

00:55:08.440 Big voice, man.

00:55:09.440 He's awesome.

00:55:10.680 Yeah.

00:55:12.500 Dang.

00:55:13.960 I bet you think he had a lot of children, you think?

00:55:15.940 Dude, I don't know his like, but that guy, I don't think he ever, ever did a concert that

00:55:22.040 he was not annihilated.

00:55:24.440 That's why.

00:55:24.800 Yeah.

00:55:26.060 But like, I'm like, if I drink that much, I couldn't ever speak.

00:55:30.080 Then the guy will sing.

00:55:31.220 Like I went, I knew him personally.

00:55:33.860 Really?

00:55:34.120 I went to a few of his shows.

00:55:35.000 He was an awesome dude.

00:55:36.360 Wow.

00:55:36.900 Fun, but typical rock star, you know?

00:55:39.420 That's interesting that I brought him up.

00:55:40.920 Yeah.

00:55:41.020 That's the only like thing about Brazil I know, except for him and soccer.

00:55:44.480 Yep.

00:55:47.220 What else did I see the other day?

00:55:48.720 Something about cars.

00:55:49.640 Oh, they found a bunch of rats in cars.

00:55:51.860 Do you have that?

00:55:54.300 Oh, here we go.

00:55:54.720 Why so many cars have rats in them?

00:55:57.480 They chew all your wires and stuff.

00:55:59.500 Yeah.

00:56:00.340 They sure do.

00:56:02.880 But you know what's funny?

00:56:05.360 You know why?

00:56:06.020 Like they don't, they are not hungry that they want to eat the wires.

00:56:10.240 It's, they always go to the engine compartment because it's hot.

00:56:14.100 Oh.

00:56:14.900 So it's kind of cozy.

00:56:15.900 And so, and then they're there.

00:56:18.440 So I guess they go, I might as well eat that wire.

00:56:20.320 Yeah.

00:56:20.700 Frick fuck with them.

00:56:21.860 Might have, I have some lunch.

00:56:23.020 Yeah.

00:56:23.260 Yeah.

00:56:23.480 Yeah.

00:56:24.460 Increase in vermin in cars had doubled during the pandemic, I guess, because cars were sitting

00:56:29.420 around.

00:56:29.600 Well, they're just parked.

00:56:30.440 Yeah.

00:56:30.680 You know?

00:56:31.820 What kind of, do they have any interesting vermin in Brazil?

00:56:36.520 I don't know.

00:56:38.220 We have a lot of rats.

00:56:39.780 They do?

00:56:40.260 Yeah.

00:56:40.880 Like it's, you know, I think.

00:56:44.480 Oh, there they are.

00:56:46.960 Because I used to sell hamsters my first job when I was young.

00:56:49.460 Really?

00:56:49.560 I used to sell hamsters and guinea pigs.

00:56:51.040 Yeah.

00:56:51.200 Tell my kids that.

00:56:54.120 Yeah.

00:56:54.580 It was pretty big business for a little bit, but people started doing drugs.

00:56:58.940 The guy that I worked for and they shut it down.

00:57:02.140 But what do you think, like, so when I was in that vehicle today, so I had the opportunity

00:57:09.880 to go out there and ride, right?

00:57:11.160 Right.

00:57:11.240 So what kind of car was I in?

00:57:13.420 You were in an Indy car.

00:57:14.680 In an Indy car.

00:57:15.220 It was a Dolora.

00:57:16.220 That's the make.

00:57:16.820 Okay.

00:57:17.200 But it's a special made chassis for that.

00:57:20.600 Full carbon fiber, which is a composite that race cars are made.

00:57:25.740 It's not like a NASCAR car or your street car.

00:57:29.920 It's the carbon fiber.

00:57:31.160 We have some pieces in our street cars, but it's a lot rigid.

00:57:34.740 It's a lot safer.

00:57:36.460 You know, because you crash your car, it goes like, you know, you can see the door like

00:57:40.020 getting smashed.

00:57:40.980 Right.

00:57:41.480 Those cars, they have intrusional panels.

00:57:43.500 So if you hit the wall, nothing comes in to hurt you.

00:57:46.940 Open wheel, which is, you don't have fenders and you have an engine.

00:57:51.560 We race for Honda, but which is around 700 horsepower.

00:57:56.040 Oh yeah.

00:57:56.580 I used to drive a Corolla.

00:57:58.000 I used to drive an Accord.

00:57:59.680 Yeah, but they didn't have 700 horsepower.

00:58:01.520 It was a sedan.

00:58:02.260 No, I don't think it did.

00:58:03.380 I think it had, I don't know what it had.

00:58:05.480 It was four.

00:58:06.580 It had probably 100 horsepower.

00:58:08.260 Yeah, maybe 100 horsepower, 150.

00:58:09.500 Yeah, I don't know what it had.

00:58:10.420 It was okay though.

00:58:11.440 It was glass.

00:58:11.480 If I didn't have 700 horsepower in the street anyway.

00:58:13.780 Yeah, it was fine.

00:58:14.620 I mean, I like it.

00:58:15.000 So basically it was a, yeah.

00:58:16.380 So the Indy cars are specially made just for the track.

00:58:19.720 You cannot drive them on the streets.

00:58:21.280 You know, they're so low to the ground.

00:58:22.780 Yeah.

00:58:23.380 You saw it.

00:58:24.000 So when, the craziest part that I noticed was, so you're going, you're almost going,

00:58:32.160 you're going so fast.

00:58:34.120 It feels like, I felt like I was on a ride at like Disneyland or something.

00:58:39.000 That's what I try to tell people like, this is, what is it like?

00:58:41.780 I said, well, get on the craziest roller coaster you can think of and do 200 laps on

00:58:49.280 it.

00:58:50.380 Wow.

00:58:51.420 And add heat and other, you said it.

00:58:54.160 I mean, that's the only time we actually talked when you got out.

00:58:56.560 You said, I can't imagine when I did that by myself if we had more people around.

00:59:01.280 Yeah.

00:59:01.480 It'd be very alarming.

00:59:02.260 Yeah.

00:59:03.060 But 33 more guys around, it will get exciting.

00:59:06.240 So do you, over time, do you get like a feel for things?

00:59:09.700 Like, is it become, because I noticed with standup comedy, like after a while being on

00:59:13.260 stage, I get a feel for what's going on.

00:59:15.760 Right.

00:59:15.860 I get a feel for like, I can tell when this part of the crowd is enjoying something.

00:59:21.380 I can tell when they're waiting for the next thing.

00:59:23.760 You know, you start to just get like a, just an energy.

00:59:27.260 Right.

00:59:27.460 Is that something that grows over time with racing?

00:59:29.980 Like, is it like, what is that like to?

00:59:32.020 Well, the feel that you get, obviously you're feeling people.

00:59:35.760 We are feeling a race car.

00:59:37.960 And with experience, I've been doing Indy cars for 23 years, 24 years.

00:59:44.400 Okay.

00:59:45.660 I used to say, you feel it in your butt.

00:59:47.900 So basically you go out and the way that the car behaves, because you're sitting so close

00:59:52.760 to the floor, to the ground, you can tell.

00:59:57.900 You can tell when somebody, we're making changes all the time.

01:00:00.900 You're fine tuning things.

01:00:02.300 It's so complicated.

01:00:03.720 Engineers have an idea, you don't agree, or you agree.

01:00:07.280 And it's always like a very, you know, the engineers trying to tell, well, but the computer

01:00:11.520 is telling me this.

01:00:12.620 I'm not the computer.

01:00:13.800 I'm your computer.

01:00:14.540 You need to listen to me.

01:00:16.080 So you feel it in your butt.

01:00:17.380 So you can tell.

01:00:18.060 They change something, you go out.

01:00:19.180 In three corners, you can say, this is going to be awesome, or this, oh, this sucks.

01:00:24.060 But sometimes you can do things about it, and sometimes you can't.

01:00:28.480 But then it's very, it screws with your mind, because we have so much resources that you're

01:00:39.840 always looking to improve.

01:00:43.260 So you're never happy.

01:00:45.300 So you said, Tony, so you just dominated the race.

01:00:47.240 You won, kicked everybody's butt.

01:00:50.160 How was the car?

01:00:51.320 That was okay.

01:00:51.900 What do you mean?

01:00:52.720 It was the best car out there.

01:00:53.960 Well, but that doesn't mean I liked it.

01:00:56.180 Right.

01:00:56.940 And 90% of the times, you actually, it's, I'll give you a stupid example.

01:01:03.800 You're telling jokes that people think it's funny, but you think it's stupid.

01:01:08.180 I'm driving cars that I, it's cool to drive, but I hate the way they drive, but they're fast

01:01:12.660 and I have to drive it that way because I'm still better than them.

01:01:16.880 So it's very, so you feel it in your butt, basically.

01:01:23.240 So you sat there and you turn and the car will behave.

01:01:27.800 So that's what I say, feel it in your butt.

01:01:30.980 So then you, and then you describe that to a person that is sitting in front of a computer

01:01:35.880 and then we both say, okay, so for this behavior, you can do this, for that behavior, you can

01:01:42.100 do that.

01:01:42.680 I don't want to get technical because then people would just don't understand what we're

01:01:47.280 talking about, but that's basically, we have a fix for everything, but doesn't mean it's

01:01:52.100 really fixed, but you always, but then there's a fine line as well, because what's, what's

01:01:59.060 your gauge, it's your stopwatch.

01:02:01.680 You make a change, you go quicker, it's better.

01:02:05.160 You make a change, you go slower, it's worse.

01:02:07.300 Not necessarily.

01:02:09.160 Sometimes you make two changes that are worse, but then, then you're trying to put a piece

01:02:13.340 of the puzzle together to be better.

01:02:15.980 So you're making choices constant, but you have to be so confident that the choices you're

01:02:21.580 making, you can't second out yourself.

01:02:24.060 And that's a big, so that's what I think also race car drivers become extremely

01:02:28.780 confident.

01:02:30.640 Are they, are a lot of race car drivers, do they have to be like, are they angry people?

01:02:35.760 Are they a lot of them like driven?

01:02:37.800 No, I think we're more of adrenaline people than angry.

01:02:41.560 I mean, you can't, like driving angry sometimes doesn't mean you're going fast.

01:02:46.520 Actually, it's probably, sometimes it's worse.

01:02:48.420 You make more mistakes because then you're doing things that you're not thinking.

01:02:51.520 Yeah.

01:02:51.740 Because when you're angry, your level of thinking, it's a lot less.

01:02:56.540 So he actually, the calmer guys, I mean, I have a teammate, Scott Dixon, it's, they

01:03:01.200 call him the Iceman because the guy is just flat and he's the fastest, but because he

01:03:06.880 thinks, you know, you're not mad.

01:03:08.840 You're like, okay, this is how I'm going to get sneaky, you know, in a good way.

01:03:12.940 Are some cultures, like, are some cultures better at racing than other cultures?

01:03:19.320 Do you think it's just built into people?

01:03:21.120 I don't know.

01:03:21.760 I mean, I, obviously I'm not American.

01:03:23.820 I became American a few years back.

01:03:25.500 My entire family was born here with my kids, but I think we have goods and beds like everything.

01:03:34.220 I mean, we, you know, like me, I'll give an example.

01:03:38.540 As a Brazilian, I had to fight for what I wanted.

01:03:41.380 So I actually perform well in a pressure, in a bad situation because it probably, I'm

01:03:47.560 being in bad situations a lot more than I'm being in good ones.

01:03:50.280 Okay.

01:03:50.640 So I'm really good at managing that.

01:03:52.440 Right.

01:03:53.000 I'm not really good managing when everything is right.

01:03:55.320 When everything is right, what's going to go wrong?

01:03:57.460 Yeah.

01:03:58.060 Because I'm not used to that.

01:03:59.140 So too good to be true.

01:04:00.160 I can't, this can't, this can't be right.

01:04:01.820 Totally.

01:04:02.660 And of course, what's, what, what's a shittier situation than a bunch of people going really

01:04:06.660 fucking fast?

01:04:07.160 Right.

01:04:07.200 But I think it makes a difference when a race car driver, when you, you constant making

01:04:12.140 choices, right or wrong, you have one second to make that choice.

01:04:17.420 And I think guys that brought up in the hard way, we can think a little bit more outside

01:04:23.200 of, because it, you know, you are forced to, when you're just, I don't know if I'm explaining

01:04:29.700 it myself.

01:04:30.120 You are, because you're already used to being in a shitty, like in a rough environment.

01:04:33.580 Right.

01:04:33.920 So you're like, oh, I-

01:04:34.700 And then you're under pressure.

01:04:35.400 So you know how, you're more confident to make that decision and it's not going to be

01:04:39.180 a bad one.

01:04:39.780 And if it's a bad one, who cares?

01:04:41.980 I've been in a bad one plenty of times.

01:04:43.720 Right.

01:04:44.000 I'm right back where I've always thought I was anyway.

01:04:46.000 Right.

01:04:46.960 What about like, if you get into a crash, what do you do?

01:04:49.840 Do you like close your eyes?

01:04:54.240 You keep, or what do you do?

01:04:55.560 So, um, it's, it's human nature.

01:04:59.180 You, you, you definitely close your eyes.

01:05:00.680 You're not going to go, all right, let's, let, let me watch where I am.

01:05:03.240 I'm going to go, oh, that's cool.

01:05:04.380 That's all.

01:05:05.420 You just, I, we usually, the first thing you do, you take your hands off the cereal because

01:05:10.560 it yanks.

01:05:11.660 And actually I have a, I don't know if you guys can see it, but it's a pretty big scar.

01:05:15.080 Yeah, I can see that easily, dude.

01:05:16.600 I didn't take my hand off the cereal and the wheel came in and, and broke my arm, hit my

01:05:21.000 elbow and I, and broke seven of my ribs and knocked myself out.

01:05:24.240 I was in a coma for two days, but.

01:05:25.960 In a, in a race?

01:05:26.940 In a race.

01:05:27.500 In Detroit.

01:05:28.240 Yeah.

01:05:28.860 And did you, you just were driving and then it happened, you got knocked out?

01:05:32.400 It was a, it was a long corner, long right-hand corner and we're racing on the streets.

01:05:36.400 And we had a manhole that actually, the, the car prior to mine, a few seconds ahead of

01:05:43.980 me, went and actually just level and brought it up a little bit and our cars are so low

01:05:50.080 and I was the next car and then took off and landed no brakes at 180 miles an hour into

01:05:55.220 the wall.

01:05:56.720 Wow.

01:05:57.180 That's all I remember.

01:05:58.300 I mean, I don't, somebody told me that.

01:05:59.860 And do you remember coming back, like just waking up later?

01:06:02.120 I mean, what?

01:06:02.480 So I remember.

01:06:03.560 That's so sick, dude.

01:06:04.700 This is, I'm telling you what they told me, but what I remember is I woke up two days

01:06:09.400 later.

01:06:09.720 So basically I had no idea.

01:06:11.160 And my arm was hanging because they just had surgery.

01:06:13.600 I had two plates, 14 screws and it was hanging because of the swelling.

01:06:17.040 So, so, and I opened my eyes and that's all I remember.

01:06:20.840 I had my arm up there and I'm like, what the hell?

01:06:23.820 Where am I?

01:06:24.600 Yeah.

01:06:24.880 Like you're probably in class or something.

01:06:26.320 Yeah.

01:06:26.440 I was like, uh, am I in heaven or something?

01:06:28.600 Yeah.

01:06:29.120 Like, excuse me, can I go to the bathroom?

01:06:30.900 Um, so when you like, are there different things that you have to do for your body to

01:06:38.740 take care of yourself for this type of sport?

01:06:40.660 And how has that changed since when you got started?

01:06:43.120 Like, are people physically doing things different?

01:06:46.000 A hundred percent.

01:06:46.880 Really?

01:06:47.380 Well, you think about it, right?

01:06:48.600 So racing hasn't been, for the longest time, people didn't think it was, we were athletes

01:06:55.380 because, well, you're driving a car.

01:06:58.220 Right.

01:06:59.100 That can't be that hard, right?

01:07:00.740 Right.

01:07:01.300 If you hadn't driven it today, you go, I get in my car, put my seatbelt on, power steering.

01:07:09.140 So it wasn't very common between drivers to work out because you didn't need to.

01:07:14.640 Like the cars were easier to drive.

01:07:16.240 And then, you know, with evolution technology and they becoming, you're talking about 240

01:07:20.860 miles an hour.

01:07:21.560 The thing is, pull three G's into the corner.

01:07:23.520 You saw it today, how much you're sweating on that suit.

01:07:25.680 Oh, yeah.

01:07:26.100 So, but it was not in a specific training for it because it was something new.

01:07:34.980 Like, you know, basketball players, what do they do?

01:07:37.300 They play basketball all day.

01:07:39.440 And then, yeah, they go to the gym to try to improve a couple.

01:07:42.620 So for us, it was more of a developing, like, okay, what do we need?

01:07:45.880 We need core.

01:07:47.480 Then we need neck.

01:07:49.120 You need shoulders and you need forearms.

01:07:52.040 So, and then you start developing, you know, and talking to experts and you say, okay, what

01:07:57.220 can I do?

01:07:57.840 Nowadays, I mean, I'm 47.

01:08:00.420 Really?

01:08:00.760 It's not very common to last this long.

01:08:04.700 I mean, you talk about any, in any top high level sport, talk about Tom Brady.

01:08:10.740 He's old.

01:08:11.500 I'm old.

01:08:12.840 But we took care of each other, like of ourselves.

01:08:15.980 And, you know, you're lasting that long because you're still fit.

01:08:19.920 You're still sharp.

01:08:20.920 But today, I think the biggest improvement for us, like, you have a lot of reflex machines

01:08:26.660 and stuff that you can train your eyes.

01:08:29.060 Like, first time somebody told me, you know, you can train your eyes.

01:08:32.020 I'm like, stop, man.

01:08:32.860 Come on.

01:08:33.500 It's like, tell me my dog needs acupuncture.

01:08:37.860 I'm just thinking of, too.

01:08:39.260 You know what I mean?

01:08:39.960 It's like, come on.

01:08:40.700 And you do.

01:08:42.380 So you have, like, nowadays, we go to the gym for the heat as well.

01:08:48.580 So we go do a session in the gym where, let's say, we go lift weights for 20 minutes.

01:08:53.340 They put you in a freaking hot room in a sauna for 20 minutes.

01:08:57.240 You come out.

01:08:58.180 You do another drill.

01:08:59.600 Come back in.

01:09:00.560 Because that's, you saw how hot it was.

01:09:02.560 And you come here.

01:09:04.040 I mean, Nashville, street course, 90 degrees outside.

01:09:06.860 You have to sit there for two and a half hours.

01:09:08.720 It's going to be hot.

01:09:09.280 You're going to dehydrate.

01:09:10.320 And we train to drink as little as possible.

01:09:14.160 Because in a race car, you're not, oh, let me drink at 200 miles an hour.

01:09:17.400 You don't want to.

01:09:17.920 Like, and there is not enough space to have a drink bottle.

01:09:20.960 You have a little tube that you can have maybe less than half a gallon on your drink bottle that you can, you need to suck at it.

01:09:28.120 It's like, what?

01:09:30.400 So I think, and the reflex machine, it's awesome.

01:09:34.520 It's just a flat screen TV.

01:09:35.880 It's a program that you just, it will pop a light and you have to cause reflection.

01:09:41.200 And you keep getting better at it.

01:09:43.840 And then that's something that, you know, you train your eyes.

01:09:46.020 And then the overcorrections.

01:09:48.320 And you saw, like, you're always fighting the steering.

01:09:50.200 It's not just a drive from your house to the supermarket.

01:09:53.100 So it has improved a lot.

01:09:56.060 And I think since my generation, we have increased the level of fitness and sharpness.

01:10:04.840 And then I think, like in every other sport, one guy starts doing and he does well, everybody's starting to say, oh, I got to imitate.

01:10:12.440 I got to do the same he does.

01:10:14.140 And then he brings the level up.

01:10:15.620 And then you just.

01:10:17.760 Do drivers have to be smart?

01:10:19.640 Is it a smart man's sport?

01:10:21.080 A smart woman's sport?

01:10:22.140 No, I don't think so.

01:10:23.220 I think we need to be dumb to do what we do, to be honest.

01:10:26.700 Now, you strap yourself in the car, very uncomfortable.

01:10:30.640 You go faster than everybody else, but you can die every time you hop in.

01:10:34.820 But you don't think about that.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, no.

01:10:38.040 No offense to us, but.

01:10:39.860 Yeah.

01:10:40.880 No, I've always been pretty close.

01:10:43.040 You know, I'm not dumb, but I'm a neighbor.

01:10:44.140 The stupider you are, the better.

01:10:45.400 Yeah.

01:10:46.360 Because people are like, I just told you, I broke my arm, seven ribs, I was in a coma.

01:10:50.240 First thing I said when I woke up, the doctor told me, because I don't kind of remember, I had a concussion.

01:10:55.760 I said, when can I get back in the car?

01:10:57.560 Yeah.

01:10:58.040 That's stupid.

01:10:58.480 Yeah, my sister's an idiot, and she's the best person I know.

01:11:02.780 She's the best person I know.

01:11:04.860 I mean.

01:11:06.300 You can't beat that.

01:11:07.420 You know, I love to be here because I can't say things that I probably wouldn't say in a normal way.

01:11:11.340 Like, you sit down on a podcast, you go, well, you know.

01:11:14.740 Dean, my sponsor is here from American Legion.

01:11:17.020 If I get fired after that, I might need a job.

01:11:19.940 What is your sponsor?

01:11:21.240 What is it?

01:11:21.480 American Legion.

01:11:22.500 American Legion?

01:11:23.060 Oh, really?

01:11:23.580 It's all the veterans.

01:11:24.860 Oh, yeah.

01:11:25.660 I went and saw, you know who I saw at the American Legion play not long ago was Hank Williams Jr.

01:11:31.160 Wow.

01:11:31.840 Or Hank Williams, yeah, Jr. is the one that's still alive, yeah.

01:11:35.160 You know, we raced the 500 of their cars, and it was a really cool cause.

01:11:39.180 We are, you know, we have this campaign, Be the One, trying to save veterans from, you know, depression.

01:11:45.080 And when they come back and try to reintegrate them.

01:11:47.940 And, you know, being veterans, they think they need to defend us,

01:11:51.200 and they never would admit they're in depression.

01:11:54.680 They actually, we lose seven lives a day, Dean?

01:11:58.720 17 a day.

01:11:59.600 Wow.

01:11:59.720 So, we've been trying to get the word out.

01:12:01.480 So, great sponsor and a great cause.

01:12:05.080 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:12:06.080 Just a lot of the mental health stuff these days is just crazy.

01:12:09.740 I don't know what's going on with humans.

01:12:11.820 It's a weird time to be human.

01:12:13.020 Do you feel like y'all's sport is at risk of, like, automation ever?

01:12:18.860 Does that ever, do people ever start talking about that?

01:12:22.300 Look, there is always talks.

01:12:23.820 Like, they talk about, what about race cars?

01:12:26.020 Are they all going to be electric?

01:12:27.760 They're not going to make any noise anymore.

01:12:29.540 Or, we're going to have robots.

01:12:31.660 We don't need drivers.

01:12:33.200 I think technology is around, and we've been getting better.

01:12:38.200 I mean, let's think about it.

01:12:40.440 20 years ago, we thought we'd be flying cars now.

01:12:43.520 That's true.

01:12:44.180 Or we're not.

01:12:44.600 We always think we're going to be doing a lot more.

01:12:46.560 Oh, in 2022, cars are not going to have wheels anymore.

01:12:49.640 You're going to be just like, oh, space shuttles are out.

01:12:52.340 Yeah, and all we're doing is ordering pizzas and doing dumb dances.

01:12:55.180 Right, right.

01:12:55.660 But humans are still delivering.

01:12:57.980 It's not a robot.

01:12:58.760 That's true.

01:12:59.340 Maybe a drone, but you know what I mean?

01:13:01.000 It's like, a guy still could knock on your door.

01:13:02.960 Hey.

01:13:03.340 Yeah.

01:13:03.880 You know what I mean?

01:13:04.460 So, no.

01:13:05.560 They just had a guy, actually.

01:13:06.540 What's that?

01:13:07.120 They had a guy who, what did that guy do?

01:13:10.740 Trevin, can you look that up?

01:13:12.320 Oh, damn.

01:13:14.800 God put me in a position to save kids in a burning house.

01:13:19.500 This dude.

01:13:19.940 The pizza guy, right?

01:13:20.640 Yeah.

01:13:20.760 He was delivering and saw it.

01:13:22.340 But see, if you had a drone, the drone wouldn't do that.

01:13:25.360 No.

01:13:26.140 Yeah, the drone's just going to do that.

01:13:27.220 The drone's just dropping it.

01:13:29.600 So, yeah.

01:13:30.320 I mean, okay, you're going to have race cars without drivers.

01:13:35.800 This is, you know exactly what I'm going to say because you're in an entertainer business.

01:13:40.680 If nobody watches you, you're not going to have a show anymore.

01:13:43.900 Yeah.

01:13:44.700 Anyway, right?

01:13:45.380 If it's a comedy or your podcast, racing is the same thing.

01:13:49.780 Yeah, you're going to show up to see empty cars.

01:13:52.040 I don't know.

01:13:52.960 If that happens, I don't think we'll be, we'll actually be like frozen somewhere.

01:13:57.920 Frozen, yeah.

01:13:59.040 Chronically frozen, yeah.

01:14:00.720 That's crazy because, yeah, we're about to talk with that guy.

01:14:03.340 But do you think like, because also then, yeah, you're not going to have fans aren't going to want to come watch a rock.

01:14:08.420 I don't know if fans want to go watch that robot.

01:14:10.500 My question is, like, people talk about, you know, there's a lot of debate nowadays about the electric cars, which I think it's awesome.

01:14:17.440 I mean, the environment and everything.

01:14:19.280 But then you talk about racing.

01:14:22.520 Like I said, maybe the next three generations won't know what race cars sound in the past.

01:14:28.780 But we still have enough people where you go to a race and just, it would be quiet.

01:14:34.460 You can actually talk.

01:14:36.500 It goes, it's like, hey, I think it's weird.

01:14:40.640 They do have a couple of series that they run, which is awesome.

01:14:43.520 But there is a place for them, too.

01:14:46.040 Right.

01:14:46.360 I'm saying, are we going to just vanish everything?

01:14:49.900 The extremes, for me, it's what people exaggerate.

01:14:55.660 It's a great series.

01:14:57.040 They have a couple.

01:14:58.480 It's innovative.

01:14:59.920 I think we need that because what people don't realize, racing, it's actually a lab.

01:15:05.080 Everything that you have on your street car, we've been developing for decades.

01:15:09.620 The electric, our stuff.

01:15:11.620 Our engineers are guys that the manufacturers are only involved in racing to make their product better.

01:15:17.520 It's not because we love racing.

01:15:19.280 Yeah, I guess we do.

01:15:21.040 But why are we getting out of it?

01:15:23.540 Right.

01:15:24.100 And that's what they do.

01:15:25.420 We develop a traction control.

01:15:26.800 The pedal shifts that you have on your steering wheel, we did that.

01:15:29.500 Traction control.

01:15:30.920 The electric car.

01:15:32.440 So my point is that it's a place for everybody.

01:15:36.020 I hate when people say, you're not going to be racing with you anymore in 10 years.

01:15:40.340 I'm like, come on, man.

01:15:42.080 Yeah, we have that series there and people come watch.

01:15:46.080 Right.

01:15:46.540 They can watch both.

01:15:47.440 Right.

01:15:48.040 Yeah.

01:15:48.700 If you like being quiet.

01:15:50.080 Some people go because they don't want to listen to their spouse for damn three hours.

01:15:53.780 You know?

01:15:55.100 And that's the truth, man.

01:15:56.400 True.

01:15:57.060 I can't say that about my wife.

01:15:58.760 Well, no.

01:15:59.340 But I think I can say it and I don't have a wife.

01:16:01.760 But I think a lot of people, you know, you see it.

01:16:05.000 You're just like, just a second, honey.

01:16:06.560 And then she'll say, just a second, honey.

01:16:10.320 You know?

01:16:10.740 And that's men or women, you know?

01:16:12.580 But I interrupted you earlier when you were telling me, how did you get from the go-karts

01:16:17.880 to the next level?

01:16:19.120 So, I was struggling to make ends meet and working.

01:16:24.520 So, I was on a go-kart track.

01:16:26.080 So, to make a little bit more money, I was teaching kids how to drive a go-kart.

01:16:31.720 So, I had a clinic.

01:16:32.520 And so, that I would make some extra money.

01:16:35.440 At the go-kart place.

01:16:36.020 At the go-kart place.

01:16:36.580 What was it called, the go-kart place?

01:16:37.580 Inter Lagos.

01:16:38.420 It's in Sao Paulo.

01:16:39.160 It's one of the most famous racetracks.

01:16:40.700 I actually just raced there Sunday.

01:16:43.560 That's last week.

01:16:44.320 In a go-kart?

01:16:45.200 No, no.

01:16:45.620 In a stock car.

01:16:46.360 In a stock car.

01:16:46.840 I'm doing stock car Brazil as well this year, apart from IndyCar.

01:16:50.620 So, I've been traveling quite a bit.

01:16:52.820 And, granted, man, back in the day, we didn't have cell phones.

01:16:56.940 So, I was down at the go-kart track.

01:17:00.480 And the guy that used to prepare my go-karts, my mechanic, comes down.

01:17:04.140 The race shops are always near a racetrack.

01:17:06.360 That's very common.

01:17:07.480 Indianapolis, all the shops are there.

01:17:08.860 He walked down and says, hey, somebody's on the phone for you.

01:17:14.600 I'm like, dude, I'm working.

01:17:16.500 He says, no, no, no.

01:17:17.220 So, it was a guy called Nelson Pique, which is one of the biggest, most famous race car drivers in Brazil.

01:17:25.040 I'm like, so I'm very well-known for pranking people.

01:17:28.060 So, I'm like, that's one of my friends that are screwing with me.

01:17:30.600 So, whatever.

01:17:31.340 So, I go up and he says, hey, it's Nelson.

01:17:33.340 I'm like, come on, man, who is it?

01:17:34.320 He says, no, no, no.

01:17:35.080 He says, listen, it's me and this is the deal.

01:17:39.500 He was very well-known.

01:17:40.440 People were very well-known for having good race car drivers in Brazil.

01:17:44.160 So, I have a friend in Italy that owns a team and he says he wants a Brazilian race car driver.

01:17:49.400 If I knew somebody that was good, it was you.

01:17:51.880 So, you have to go to Italy.

01:17:52.800 It was Friday.

01:17:53.680 You have to go to Italy tonight.

01:17:54.820 I'm like, dude, I'm like, okay, great.

01:17:58.440 I can't have, like, I used to take two public buses to go to work and come back.

01:18:04.000 I'm like, I barely have the money to take a public transportation.

01:18:06.820 And had you been practicing driving actual, was this for, this is for.

01:18:11.800 This is for cars.

01:18:13.200 Cars.

01:18:13.520 Yeah.

01:18:13.840 But I was actually racing cars in Brazil for a small series and doing go-karts.

01:18:18.380 So, I was already driving cars.

01:18:20.940 So, I said, all right.

01:18:23.440 So, I called a couple friends that, you know, had a little bit more money.

01:18:27.320 I said, guys, I got this opportunity.

01:18:28.580 Can you help me out?

01:18:29.540 I need to buy a ticket.

01:18:30.940 I don't know, I'll pay you back, whatever.

01:18:32.500 It's like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:18:33.280 So, a dad of, so, my dad sponsored me and another kid when he was alive.

01:18:40.560 This kid had a lot less money than us.

01:18:43.000 Funny story because then he passed and the situation flipped.

01:18:46.380 So, his dad says, no, your father helped us a lot.

01:18:50.920 So, I'll buy you the ticket to go.

01:18:52.640 Oh, wow.

01:18:53.180 So, you get over there.

01:18:54.500 So, but I go there.

01:18:55.400 The task was Saturday and Sunday.

01:18:56.680 I was going to go home Sunday night.

01:18:57.880 I had a ticket.

01:18:58.440 It was a weekend.

01:18:59.060 So, I go home.

01:18:59.580 I said, hey, mom.

01:19:00.620 At that point, I was 16, but 17.

01:19:04.180 I didn't have to ask permission for anything.

01:19:06.800 I was working.

01:19:07.380 I said, mom, I'm going to Europe.

01:19:08.540 She's like, hell, how?

01:19:10.960 Where did you steal the money to go there?

01:19:12.540 I explained to her and I left.

01:19:14.220 So, I landed Saturday morning, went to the track.

01:19:16.460 They had 10 guys that they're going to choose two drivers.

01:19:20.180 They're doing kind of like a gong show, putting 10 guys together.

01:19:23.220 You would go out to two cars and they will time it and they will pick the two fastest guys.

01:19:28.120 So, I get there.

01:19:28.700 I didn't speak any Italian.

01:19:30.120 So, I didn't know the track.

01:19:32.080 I never had driven the car.

01:19:33.720 So, I go out.

01:19:35.000 I do five laps like you did.

01:19:37.260 And I come in and they check the car.

01:19:39.340 They go, okay, now you can go and do 10 laps and we'll check it out.

01:19:43.980 I went out.

01:19:44.660 I did four more laps and they actually called me in.

01:19:47.260 And they said, get up.

01:19:48.980 I'm like, what did I do, man?

01:19:51.300 I'm screw up here.

01:19:54.220 And the guy took me to the truck.

01:19:56.100 I mean, we're trying to talk.

01:19:57.860 I mean, I didn't speak Italian.

01:19:59.040 He says, you're good.

01:20:00.220 You're good.

01:20:01.320 Signed.

01:20:01.720 Good.

01:20:01.880 So, basically, I think on my four laps, I went half a second quicker than everybody.

01:20:06.940 And he says, no, you're good.

01:20:08.220 And he was looking for a Brazilian.

01:20:09.600 Yeah, he must have been good, man.

01:20:11.160 So, he's like, you're hired.

01:20:14.000 I said, okay.

01:20:14.420 So, I'm going to go home tomorrow.

01:20:17.080 That was Sunday.

01:20:17.900 And then, when do I go back?

01:20:18.980 He goes, no, you can't go home.

01:20:21.260 I'm like, okay.

01:20:22.840 You're Italian now.

01:20:23.960 Then he goes, we're going to hire you, but I can't pay you.

01:20:26.660 All I'm going to do is I'm going to give you a car to race for free.

01:20:31.780 I said, well, I don't have any money.

01:20:33.740 He's like, well.

01:20:34.900 So, then I can't stay here.

01:20:36.580 I can't rent a house.

01:20:38.480 Yeah.

01:20:38.820 You can't just drive around all night.

01:20:39.920 So, he goes, well, no, okay.

01:20:40.900 We'll take care of it.

01:20:41.700 So, you figure out how you're going to find a way to have whatever,

01:20:46.020 a little bit of money.

01:20:46.880 But we have the race shop.

01:20:48.780 You can live in the race shop.

01:20:50.740 This is my office.

01:20:51.840 We're going to put a mattress there.

01:20:53.400 Every morning when I come here at 8, that mattress needs to be out and clean

01:20:57.900 because this is my office.

01:21:00.060 This is a TV.

01:21:01.540 And I was underage, so the shop was in a remote area of the city in Milan.

01:21:06.800 He says, at 6 o'clock, we're going to lock you in.

01:21:08.460 You have a phone.

01:21:09.000 If you're in trouble, you call.

01:21:09.980 Well, at 7 a.m., we open up, and you work on the cars during the day.

01:21:14.460 I said, all right.

01:21:15.540 Jeepers.

01:21:16.260 So, I did that for three years.

01:21:18.020 Wow.

01:21:18.340 And we won a championship.

01:21:19.780 And then, at the end of 95, that's actually a funny story that I like to tell my kids that

01:21:25.720 and people that, like, we talk about racing a lot, that I start racing not because of the money.

01:21:32.700 Same to you.

01:21:33.300 You said you start your career because you enjoy what you do.

01:21:36.460 Yeah.

01:21:37.380 At the end of 95, I was making $1,000 a month, leaving for free.

01:21:44.140 It's a lot of money.

01:21:45.080 You have no bills, man.

01:21:45.940 I had no phone, no car.

01:21:46.880 95 is good.

01:21:47.820 Right?

01:21:48.420 So, I get a call from a manufacturer in Italy saying, hey, can you come talk to us?

01:21:57.280 I said, sure.

01:21:57.600 I was racing an open-wheel car called Formula 3.

01:22:01.400 And they invite me.

01:22:02.540 They says, look, this is a contract for half a million dollars.

01:22:05.720 Damn.

01:22:06.620 And we're going to give you a house and a car to drive.

01:22:11.960 Apart from, so it was Audi at the time.

01:22:14.860 And you're going to race the touring cars, which is the normal, like, kind of NASCAR,

01:22:18.560 like your street car, but converted to a race car.

01:22:21.420 Like, what do you mean?

01:22:21.940 Like a Dodge Neon or something?

01:22:23.140 Right.

01:22:23.460 Something like that.

01:22:24.180 Like, yes, just, yeah.

01:22:26.420 So, I said, okay.

01:22:28.140 He says, here's the contract.

01:22:29.920 Take somebody to look at it if it's okay.

01:22:32.300 It's a two-year deal, so it was a million dollars.

01:22:34.440 Damn, bro.

01:22:35.140 You must have been geeked up, huh?

01:22:36.860 Dude, I'm like, I actually said, where do I sign?

01:22:39.480 I was like, hey, no lawyer is looking.

01:22:42.460 Tell me, where's the pen?

01:22:44.140 I'd have been licking my fucking legs.

01:22:45.980 Tell me if somebody gave me that.

01:22:47.200 But at the time, I had one sponsor.

01:22:49.760 And it was Philip Morris at the time when the cigarettes were big and racing.

01:22:56.400 And good.

01:22:57.040 But the CEO was one of, like, kind of like my mentor.

01:23:02.660 Like, the guy, I mean, he didn't have to sponsor me.

01:23:05.120 I was nobody.

01:23:05.960 But he knew my story.

01:23:07.860 So, I called him up.

01:23:08.920 And I said, hey, I need advice.

01:23:11.920 He says, what's going on?

01:23:13.160 And I explained to him.

01:23:13.820 He says, well, I was about to call you because we, as Philip Morris,

01:23:18.700 we're going to take five drivers to the United States to do a test on Indy Lights.

01:23:25.900 So, Indy Lights, it's actually the series before IndyCar.

01:23:28.320 Like, you got the leather series.

01:23:30.000 Okay.

01:23:30.340 I was really young.

01:23:31.120 And he says, and we're going to do a test.

01:23:33.740 And out of those five, we're going to pick two guys.

01:23:36.780 And we're going to fund it for two years.

01:23:38.780 And the deal is, you learn the first year because you're racing ovals and stuff that we didn't do.

01:23:44.880 And the second year, if you win, we'll take you to IndyCar.

01:23:47.520 Well, IndyCar, my dad, I promised him.

01:23:50.120 I'm like, well, but what about if I'm not, if you don't pick me?

01:23:54.760 He goes, well, if the team doesn't pick you, that means you're not good enough.

01:23:59.400 And you have to smoke too or no?

01:24:00.860 No, it didn't matter.

01:24:01.760 It didn't matter.

01:24:02.160 Not at all.

01:24:03.240 Thank God.

01:24:04.360 It was kind of controversial at the time because I was an athlete.

01:24:09.140 So I used to go a lot of media training because, yeah, one time I sat down to do an interview and the reporter says, hey, so your car, you have Marlboro sponsorship, you know, the cowboy and stuff.

01:24:22.780 He said, yeah, yeah, they helped me.

01:24:24.320 And he goes, well, how do you feel about inducing people to smoke?

01:24:28.540 I was like, what do you mean?

01:24:31.560 I'm just here doing my job.

01:24:32.900 I'm not telling you.

01:24:34.820 Like, I would never, I never did a commercial.

01:24:36.760 But anyway, so it was kind of iffy at the time with.

01:24:41.100 So anyway, back to, he said, well, but that would be your choice.

01:24:45.020 It's your own risk.

01:24:46.040 Like, but man, I had like, it's like money.

01:24:51.480 It's a million dollars, two years.

01:24:53.320 Like at that time, I'm like, I'm set for life, man.

01:24:56.920 I'm good.

01:24:57.600 I do two years.

01:24:58.320 I can't retire.

01:25:00.440 So I went home and I'm like, what do I do?

01:25:03.420 What do I do?

01:25:03.960 And I had to make a decision.

01:25:05.500 And, you know, at the time I'm like, well, I'm young.

01:25:09.740 Yeah, money is good.

01:25:10.800 But the promise I made my dad, I'm going to go.

01:25:16.500 So I actually bailed on the deal.

01:25:20.340 And I came.

01:25:21.520 So the next day, he bought me a ticket.

01:25:24.560 And I came to America.

01:25:25.940 December 95.

01:25:27.640 Spoke zero English.

01:25:28.580 I actually asked a friend of mine to write it down in a piece of paper,

01:25:32.480 a couple of keywords.

01:25:33.300 Like, hello, I'm hungry.

01:25:35.300 Where's the bathroom?

01:25:36.400 Yeah.

01:25:36.680 I landed here.

01:25:37.440 I went to Phoenix, Arizona.

01:25:39.580 And I did the test.

01:25:41.020 I was the fastest in the test.

01:25:42.820 I got picked.

01:25:43.420 Me and Castro Neves, which he's racing this weekend,

01:25:45.440 he won four Indy 500s.

01:25:47.000 Helio, is it a thing?

01:25:47.680 Helio, yes.

01:25:48.400 Yeah, it's cool.

01:25:48.780 Him and I, we got picked.

01:25:49.800 We were teammates.

01:25:51.100 I finished second in the first year.

01:25:53.080 I won the championship in 97 in Indy Lights.

01:25:55.840 Then I moved to IndyCar and start to pursue my dream.

01:26:00.900 But I like to tell the story because I could have actually had gone for the easy money.

01:26:08.040 Right.

01:26:08.340 But I don't think I would have fulfilled my dream and the promise I made my dad.

01:26:12.940 But then on that, probably need to thank him because it's tough to make a decision like that when you're broke.

01:26:19.840 Yeah.

01:26:20.400 Right?

01:26:21.520 Yeah, dude.

01:26:22.160 I wouldn't have made it.

01:26:23.860 I would have taken it.

01:26:24.540 I would have probably taken the catch.

01:26:25.400 Yeah, but I think I would have too.

01:26:27.740 But then the only thing that stuck out was my dad wasn't around.

01:26:32.300 And that was what I told him I was going to do.

01:26:34.140 So, yeah, you think your dad's proud of you, you think?

01:26:38.580 I hope so, man.

01:26:39.640 I mean, I, you know, I took care, everything he asked, I've done it.

01:26:45.100 My mother is sad.

01:26:46.340 I mean, I, first thing I did when I made enough money, I told my mother, from today on, you're never going to work for the rest of your life.

01:26:54.840 You tell me what you want to do.

01:26:57.200 And if you want to do one thing different every day, you will.

01:27:00.060 So, and she is very obviously, like, lives a very simple life.

01:27:06.420 She lives in a one-bedroom apartment because she's actually kind of like me when I, I'm afraid to get old and become like her.

01:27:12.760 It's like one bedroom so nobody comes to sleep in my house.

01:27:15.120 Yeah, interesting.

01:27:16.560 They want to come visit me, they can sleep in a hotel, come to my house.

01:27:19.960 Yeah.

01:27:20.260 And then they can leave.

01:27:21.480 You're like a cat, man.

01:27:22.540 You're interesting.

01:27:23.440 You know, so, but she does.

01:27:25.220 Yeah, she lives in Rio de Janeiro, which she goes to the beach every day now.

01:27:28.480 She's 74.

01:27:29.680 Took care of my sister as much as I could, but my sister is a lot smarter than me and extremely successful.

01:27:35.560 And I want 8,500 for him.

01:27:38.960 Everything else, obviously, I have a beautiful family.

01:27:42.340 I have four beautiful kids and I try to show them as much love and my wife.

01:27:46.860 And I hope so.

01:27:48.920 I mean, I do hope so.

01:27:50.680 So, I'm not perfect, I mean, in any ways, but hopefully, you'll be proud of me.

01:27:56.200 And according to you, you'll never will be, you know?

01:27:58.840 I mean, people like us.

01:28:00.440 We're never, no, we're never going to be happy.

01:28:02.000 It's fucking impossible, yeah.

01:28:02.620 Yeah.

01:28:03.200 My wife tells me that every day.

01:28:04.600 You're not happy.

01:28:04.960 I said, well, just get used to it.

01:28:06.560 I mean, I live my entire life not being happy.

01:28:08.660 I ain't changing it now.

01:28:09.900 And I'm getting older.

01:28:11.200 It's right, getting worse.

01:28:12.220 Yeah.

01:28:12.540 Right?

01:28:12.720 We bitch more.

01:28:13.460 We complain more.

01:28:15.080 You know, oh, it's too hot.

01:28:16.340 Oh, man, it's too cold.

01:28:17.960 It's like, when are you happy?

01:28:19.400 I'm not.

01:28:20.680 It's too something.

01:28:22.520 It's always too something.

01:28:23.780 Right, right, right.

01:28:26.160 Who's like, who is a driver that's just a, who's like the, just like, who's the toughest

01:28:33.560 driver you think you've met out there?

01:28:38.900 It's hard.

01:28:39.780 There are so many generations, right?

01:28:41.480 I'm a huge fan.

01:28:42.260 Like, I can ask you the same question and what you do.

01:28:44.700 You can go 30 years ago to current.

01:28:47.860 So, I would say, I would pick something in the middle.

01:28:51.080 Okay.

01:28:52.220 I think the guys that raced prior to us back in the 60s, like, we, like.

01:28:59.160 Because they burn to death all the time, didn't they?

01:29:01.000 Dude, three of them will die a year.

01:29:02.600 Wow.

01:29:02.940 You lose three drivers a year.

01:29:04.620 Four.

01:29:05.740 Nowadays, we don't lose anybody.

01:29:06.920 You crash at 200 miles an hour, you get out of the car, hop in the backup car, and you're

01:29:10.940 racing five minutes later.

01:29:12.420 Right?

01:29:13.060 So, I think AJ Foyt, probably for me, like, he worked in his cars.

01:29:18.080 You see a guy, he'll get out of the car and punch people because he was mad.

01:29:21.380 Get a hammer to fix something.

01:29:22.960 You don't see that anymore.

01:29:24.280 So, those are the tough.

01:29:25.360 Bring him up.

01:29:26.080 Let's bring AJ Foyt up.

01:29:27.200 I want to see him.

01:29:28.020 You know he fought a lion, for real.

01:29:30.800 Yeah.

01:29:31.540 No, no, no.

01:29:32.020 Theo, you guys, just put AJ Foyt lion.

01:29:36.940 He went to do a photo shoot.

01:29:38.220 Look, the lion attacked him.

01:29:40.320 He was doing a promo shoot.

01:29:43.080 Oh, damn.

01:29:44.140 So, you tell me if this is not a badass.

01:29:46.500 Look at him.

01:29:47.080 Yeah.

01:29:47.460 Let's see that article.

01:29:48.340 Can we get to that article, Simon?

01:29:49.520 This is unbelievable.

01:29:51.160 Look at that picture.

01:29:52.040 Hold on.

01:29:52.300 Zoom in on that picture.

01:29:53.360 He's going for his jaw.

01:29:55.820 Look, it looks like he's trying to hug him a little, too, in the one.

01:30:00.120 Damn.

01:30:00.560 That shit looks damn zoom in.

01:30:01.780 So, how many people you saw that fought a lion and survived?

01:30:05.520 Look at it.

01:30:06.600 That's crazy, man.

01:30:07.960 It's like he's laughing, even.

01:30:09.400 He does, yeah.

01:30:10.520 But I raced for him before I drove for Chip Ganassi.

01:30:13.880 Really?

01:30:14.480 He told me the story.

01:30:15.640 He says, you know, he's from Texas.

01:30:17.380 I can't.

01:30:17.960 You know I fought a lion.

01:30:19.120 Here you go.

01:30:19.600 You can't do that.

01:30:20.280 I cannot impersonate him.

01:30:21.180 But he says, you know, I was doing a photo shoot, and they brought this.

01:30:25.200 He speaks like, it's freaking lion.

01:30:27.380 Yeah.

01:30:27.740 I'm looking at the lion.

01:30:28.760 Freaking lion.

01:30:29.500 The lion looking at me.

01:30:31.860 I didn't think he liked me, but I didn't like him either.

01:30:34.480 And then all of a sudden.

01:30:35.460 He was with Stuart Haas.

01:30:36.900 Yeah.

01:30:37.300 He came at me.

01:30:38.460 And then I said, but what was his trainer?

01:30:40.180 He says, well, he was trying to get, but like, that's it.

01:30:43.040 And a lion's trainer, let's be honest, dude, is just a trainer.

01:30:46.900 You know what I'm saying?

01:30:47.660 The trainer knows the lion.

01:30:49.080 He ain't going for it.

01:30:50.360 If the lion's mad, come on.

01:30:52.360 The trainer is the dude who watches the lion and attacks somebody.

01:30:56.540 Yeah, you know when he's mad.

01:30:57.240 Yeah.

01:30:57.760 And if he's mad, what are you going to go?

01:31:00.400 You're going to hit him?

01:31:01.420 Yeah.

01:31:02.020 Yeah.

01:31:02.440 Come attack me instead of him.

01:31:05.020 Go ahead, my friend.

01:31:05.920 Knock yourself out.

01:31:07.280 Sorry.

01:31:07.920 That's exactly who the trainer is.

01:31:10.740 See if you can see an article on that.

01:31:12.120 That's crazy, man.

01:31:13.760 That's unbelievable.

01:31:15.320 Being attacked by.

01:31:16.360 It was such a long time ago that I don't even know.

01:31:20.180 That's beautiful, though, man.

01:31:21.320 You don't get to fight a lion very often.

01:31:24.200 Unless you're doing like a Wizard of Oz and then you're like a boxing thing.

01:31:27.480 Man, I'm telling you, he's one of my heroes because this guy,

01:31:31.880 and he was in a bulldozer.

01:31:33.160 He's 70, 74, okay.

01:31:39.200 And he got attacked by, he was in his bulldozer, attacked by bees,

01:31:43.240 more than 300 bees.

01:31:44.920 Damn.

01:31:45.260 And he was by himself.

01:31:46.960 And survived.

01:31:47.680 Like he's.

01:31:48.020 He beat them all?

01:31:49.180 Oh, dude.

01:31:49.900 You should see his.

01:31:50.720 I was racing.

01:31:51.660 You should see the bees, huh?

01:31:52.380 I was like the poor.

01:31:53.460 And then I said, so, AJ, how was this stuff?

01:31:57.000 They thought they were going to fucking kill me,

01:31:58.480 and I kill all of them because when they bite you, they die.

01:32:01.600 Damn.

01:32:01.960 He's like, yeah, man.

01:32:03.340 So, I mean, he can't win.

01:32:05.980 Yeah, he's just like keep biting me.

01:32:07.720 But like a hardcore dude.

01:32:08.920 But then very hard.

01:32:10.420 Like you drive for him.

01:32:11.540 He will be the one to say, what are you doing?

01:32:14.160 You go, what do you mean?

01:32:15.680 You suck out there.

01:32:18.660 I'm going to take you out of the car.

01:32:20.280 I'm going to put somebody else in.

01:32:21.580 He's that type of person, which I appreciate.

01:32:23.820 Wow, that's powerful, man.

01:32:25.020 That dude's a freaking gangster.

01:32:26.140 He's here this weekend.

01:32:28.340 Is he really?

01:32:29.020 Yeah.

01:32:30.580 Damn.

01:32:33.480 I would like to meet, yeah.

01:32:34.820 And he won everything.

01:32:36.160 Like he's the type of person that, like he drove, race cars are not the same.

01:32:41.980 Like not that you drive a NASCAR car, you're going to be good in an Indy car and vice versa.

01:32:46.460 And he drove all types of cars, and he won in everything he drove.

01:32:49.600 Wow.

01:32:49.860 Like Mario, that old man that drove you around today.

01:32:53.880 Yeah, dude.

01:32:54.400 He looks like he still pulls some beautiful women, too.

01:32:56.860 Was he married?

01:32:58.140 He's a widow, but I guess he's single now, so yeah.

01:33:00.640 Oh, he's a widow now?

01:33:01.780 Yeah.

01:33:02.340 Damn.

01:33:03.520 Or male widow, huh?

01:33:04.980 Right.

01:33:05.720 I don't know what that's called.

01:33:08.720 What else was I going to ask you about?

01:33:09.920 Oh, so what keeps you in it now?

01:33:14.120 Because you're, I mean, you're in your 40s now.

01:33:17.360 What keeps you in racing?

01:33:21.080 You've won the Indy 500.

01:33:22.460 You've kind of achieved your, like, is it, you got close last time.

01:33:26.900 I mean, is it like.

01:33:29.840 It's addicting, to be honest.

01:33:32.380 Like, you know, like I think you will relate to that because you were very successful in what you do.

01:33:37.560 So, but you could say, why do you keep doing it, right?

01:33:41.120 It's the adrenaline that you're going to go.

01:33:43.740 Like, the same way I believe I've never actually, obviously, we do speeches and stuff in front of people.

01:33:48.460 I don't get the crowd reaction.

01:33:50.040 We don't hear them.

01:33:51.080 So, to me, it doesn't affect me at all.

01:33:53.060 They can be booing me.

01:33:54.140 I could care less.

01:33:54.940 I can't hear you.

01:33:55.920 But, you know, that moment before you get on stage that you get that butterfly in your stomach.

01:34:02.280 That's what keeps, that's what it is.

01:34:05.140 It's not, yeah, it's the speed.

01:34:07.060 It's, but that, those kind of things, I'm used to it already, right?

01:34:09.960 So, you used to make people laugh.

01:34:11.360 You used to talk to people.

01:34:12.540 You get, you know how to ask the right question.

01:34:14.640 But it's like, it's the feeling of, when you, when I get in a car, it's my moment.

01:34:22.500 Like, it's, it's me in the car.

01:34:24.140 It's me and the beast.

01:34:25.380 And, like, we're going to go beat everybody.

01:34:27.560 It doesn't necessarily happen all the time.

01:34:29.880 But, yeah, I think the adrenaline and, you know, I've been doing this all my life.

01:34:35.180 I think the toughest part is to realize, I said that the other day, my biggest fear,

01:34:41.460 because I think I'm still competitive and not because I think that.

01:34:44.960 My results are still telling.

01:34:46.500 Right.

01:34:46.840 I am.

01:34:47.340 Because that's, that's our life too.

01:34:49.900 Doesn't matter how old you are, but you have a couple bad years.

01:34:54.240 That's it.

01:34:54.920 That's it.

01:34:55.420 Because you have to perform.

01:34:56.800 It's a performance-based sport.

01:34:59.100 Right.

01:34:59.260 But if Tom Brady had had the past two seasons weren't good, he wouldn't be playing this season.

01:35:02.280 Yeah.

01:35:02.560 And he wouldn't be coming back.

01:35:03.680 But that's the toughest decision.

01:35:05.000 It's to let it go when you still think you have it.

01:35:08.680 Right.

01:35:09.320 And until the day that something overcomes that, because it's a very selfish, and you know

01:35:17.580 that too, because, I mean, anybody can relate to that when you dedicate your life to what

01:35:22.020 you do.

01:35:22.840 Everything else comes second.

01:35:24.260 Yeah.

01:35:24.460 And my wife, my kids, like my wife asked me the other day, which she knows very well

01:35:29.460 because she, she worked in racing, so she knows, but did you ever think about that something

01:35:34.880 could happen to you?

01:35:35.660 What about us?

01:35:36.280 I said, I do, but I don't, because I still want to do this.

01:35:39.940 And I hope you guys understand that.

01:35:42.500 And I'm, but then she says, no, I'm not asking for us.

01:35:44.860 I said, what about you?

01:35:45.700 Are you fine with that?

01:35:47.760 I said, I am.

01:35:49.780 And I think the day that I'm not, that will be the day that I think I need to say, all

01:35:53.480 right, now I'm done.

01:35:56.080 But I'm not ready for that yet.

01:35:57.700 I mean, we just finished third in the biggest race in the world.

01:36:00.880 We had a chance to win.

01:36:02.780 I want to do it again.

01:36:03.860 And then there's a bunch of annoying people saying, when are you going to retire?

01:36:08.440 Why should I?

01:36:10.260 Yeah.

01:36:10.640 Was I that last?

01:36:12.120 Yeah.

01:36:12.520 Was I that bad?

01:36:13.800 I thought it was bad, but I thought, but I have that opinion all the time about me.

01:36:17.700 Yeah.

01:36:18.140 Right?

01:36:18.680 So it's a tough call, man.

01:36:20.520 It's a tough call.

01:36:21.380 And you think about, out of my four kids, I wasn't there for two of them on the day

01:36:26.800 of their birth.

01:36:27.480 Wow.

01:36:27.940 And you miss many things.

01:36:30.260 Oh, you miss many things.

01:36:31.400 My girl went back, today it's her first day at school.

01:36:34.780 I'm here with you.

01:36:35.700 Yeah.

01:36:36.440 Am I sad?

01:36:37.140 I hate to say it, but I'm not.

01:36:39.840 I mean, that's our life.

01:36:40.920 And that's the way I chose to live mine.

01:36:43.680 I mean, I give them the love that I can and as much as I can and as much as I want.

01:36:48.480 But it's a very selfish thing.

01:36:51.100 It is.

01:36:52.280 And it's not even selfish to you.

01:36:53.940 It's selfish to you, but it's the requirement of the job is a lot.

01:36:58.280 Right.

01:36:58.780 Because it's not people think that whatever we're doing here, you just sat here right

01:37:04.040 now, we talked, and we're done.

01:37:06.220 What about the studio?

01:37:07.340 What about the preparation?

01:37:08.260 The thought that you had to put in?

01:37:09.640 Who am I?

01:37:10.180 You're going to talk to me?

01:37:11.060 And the same thing with me.

01:37:12.320 I go home.

01:37:13.400 I got to wake up and work out.

01:37:15.220 It's not just, yeah, the race car.

01:37:16.620 The easiest part is to drive the race car.

01:37:19.240 What about go to the race shop?

01:37:20.560 Talk to the engineers.

01:37:21.560 Dedicate yourself.

01:37:22.280 Look at it.

01:37:23.400 It's a full-time job.

01:37:24.780 It's not just, yeah, you guys have the best life, right?

01:37:28.960 I mean, this is my 14th weekend in a row that I spend in a racetrack.

01:37:34.760 Wow.

01:37:35.140 So the entire summer, we didn't go on vacation, which I understand a lot of people don't either.

01:37:39.880 But I'm saying, like, it takes your entire time.

01:37:45.280 And in the meantime, you have kids to raise.

01:37:48.020 You have soccer games to take them or basketball or whatever.

01:37:51.100 But then you just try to make it the best.

01:37:53.840 But like I said, to answer your question, what makes it, it's the softness.

01:37:59.360 Selfishness.

01:38:00.260 Selfishness.

01:38:00.860 Selfishness.

01:38:01.520 Sorry.

01:38:02.360 Brazilians.

01:38:04.200 Selfness, yeah.

01:38:04.900 Yeah.

01:38:05.280 And the.

01:38:09.040 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:38:10.020 It's a selfish life.

01:38:10.840 It's a.

01:38:11.400 Very selfish life.

01:38:13.280 Everything needs to go.

01:38:15.980 It needs to actually rotate around you or me, right?

01:38:20.620 We need to go.

01:38:21.860 Well, I want to take the kids to Disney.

01:38:25.020 When?

01:38:26.120 Next weekend.

01:38:26.900 Well, I can't.

01:38:27.420 I'm racing.

01:38:27.800 But you can go.

01:38:28.960 Right.

01:38:29.480 Or can we go?

01:38:30.400 Can we make plans to go in November?

01:38:32.440 Well, I don't know.

01:38:33.000 The team might ask me to go test because we have a new car.

01:38:35.280 We don't.

01:38:35.540 You don't have a.

01:38:36.780 You can't have a schedule because you're on call.

01:38:39.060 You're like a doctor.

01:38:40.500 You never know.

01:38:41.720 You might get lucky.

01:38:42.560 Or you said, cool.

01:38:44.120 Let's tell the team.

01:38:45.960 We're going to go this week.

01:38:47.160 I'm going away with my kids.

01:38:49.640 TK.

01:38:50.540 Theo call.

01:38:51.100 You can be on his show.

01:38:52.200 Oh, man.

01:38:52.480 We've been trying to go to see him.

01:38:54.040 I'm a fan.

01:38:55.560 Honey, I got to leave.

01:38:57.080 Yeah.

01:38:58.080 How about.

01:38:58.540 Well, you guys can stay.

01:39:00.720 And then you leave.

01:39:01.840 I know.

01:39:02.340 So, yeah, my whole life's been like that, I think, doing things that.

01:39:06.840 And it's hard to find people that understand that because then it becomes.

01:39:10.040 So, you don't want to actually share your life with me?

01:39:14.000 No, I do.

01:39:15.500 But.

01:39:16.220 Right.

01:39:16.720 But, yeah.

01:39:17.100 But it's my life.

01:39:18.660 I know.

01:39:19.940 Yeah, I'm hard to reach sometimes, man.

01:39:22.060 I think in a lot of, like, a lot of, like, communication ways and stuff.

01:39:26.220 Like, when it comes to relationships and stuff, it's really.

01:39:29.080 You know, Theo, but I think at the end of the day, like, I'm on my second.

01:39:32.340 My first wife, which is the mother of my oldest kid, a great person, but she was a normal girl, like, normal girl.

01:39:41.260 I mean, she got brought and raised, lived with her parents until she got married, never actually watched racing and stuff.

01:39:49.020 And she couldn't do it.

01:39:51.320 And I couldn't do it because then I couldn't do it more of her requiring and asking me all that.

01:39:58.860 It was a lot of pressure.

01:39:59.940 Yeah.

01:40:00.600 And then I get my wife that I've been with Lauren for 15 years.

01:40:05.580 She was a reporter.

01:40:07.040 She had a TV show all about racing and cars.

01:40:10.480 She gets it more.

01:40:11.620 Well, she knows.

01:40:12.500 Yeah.

01:40:12.820 And then it becomes, like, we'll do whatever it needs to do.

01:40:15.980 And then in a relationship, again, it could be flipped the other way.

01:40:20.500 If she had a much bigger dream, probably I would give up mine at some point and leave hers too.

01:40:27.340 But in a relationship, somebody is going to have to give up.

01:40:29.700 And I'm not trying to say, oh, I'm the man.

01:40:32.080 No, but she met me.

01:40:33.560 I was already who I am.

01:40:35.320 Right.

01:40:35.600 And I think the same with you.

01:40:37.180 Like, either they get used to it or then it's not for you.

01:40:42.820 Yeah.

01:40:45.340 Yeah, man.

01:40:45.880 I'm not the best to give you, like, relationship advices.

01:40:48.740 No, I don't think I would.

01:40:50.260 But I feel like, yeah, it's the same kind of stuff.

01:40:52.840 It's like, man, it's hard to find somebody to fit into it, you know?

01:40:56.060 And they understand, right, because you never have a schedule.

01:41:01.200 And that's, for some people, it's a problem.

01:41:03.320 Because you can say, all right, you know, tonight we're doing this, this, this, this.

01:41:06.320 You have all these plans.

01:41:07.340 And you get a phone call.

01:41:08.060 Hey, you got to go to LA right now.

01:41:10.240 Because.

01:41:11.120 Yeah, something changed.

01:41:12.180 Yeah, you got to prepare for something.

01:41:12.900 Sorry, yeah, tell this, but I'm going.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, sometimes you can.

01:41:16.960 At some point in your life, you will be able to say no.

01:41:21.340 But even then, I think you're going to think about it.

01:41:24.180 Because, oh, but it's still, it's still a good opportunity there.

01:41:27.440 You know, it's a movie where you're like, my man, come on.

01:41:30.240 I mean, if my boss calls me and says, you need to be in Pittsburgh tomorrow.

01:41:34.220 I'm going to tell him, well, you know, my girl has a.

01:41:39.640 Yeah, you're going to put on a Steelers jersey and freaking hit the airport.

01:41:42.160 Yeah, right.

01:41:42.980 What time?

01:41:43.880 Yeah.

01:41:44.480 What time?

01:41:45.060 Do you need me there?

01:41:45.700 Yeah, what time?

01:41:46.620 Yeah.

01:41:46.800 I got six great watches.

01:41:48.160 What are you doing?

01:41:49.400 When he calls, his favorite word, right, he's like, hey, what are you doing?

01:41:53.300 I said, whatever you need me to do, boss.

01:41:56.280 What do you want me to do?

01:41:57.480 No, no, no.

01:41:57.880 I'm asking you, what are you doing?

01:41:59.000 I said, waiting for you to tell me what to do.

01:42:02.240 Have they tried any like advanced, like alternate types of racing or things to get the sport different or more, not more exciting, but to add variation to it?

01:42:14.740 Or have there been like.

01:42:15.520 We do it all the time.

01:42:16.700 Really?

01:42:16.920 I mean, it's no different that, you know, the fans are, the hardcore fans will be critics.

01:42:23.140 They're the worst critics and you're never going to please everybody.

01:42:27.060 But the best way we try to make IndyCar is that everybody that actually is going to, they feel the car, they will have a chance to win the race.

01:42:37.120 Some series that is only two teams that dominate and then that gets really boring.

01:42:42.780 It's awesome for the two teams that are dominating.

01:42:45.920 But so we try to keep the competition level side, which is hard to control.

01:42:51.440 But with the equipment and the cars and the engines, you give them rules to keep the cars closed.

01:42:57.520 So then you take the best out of the driver, the engineers.

01:43:00.860 And obviously there's always going to be the teams that are well funded.

01:43:04.560 They have the funding to hire better people.

01:43:08.940 Right.

01:43:09.100 It's like baseball.

01:43:09.880 Right.

01:43:10.380 And that's like anywhere in the world.

01:43:13.040 But the way they're making, so we're making adjustments all the time.

01:43:17.620 And you talk about not just on the equipment, but the way we race.

01:43:22.440 I mean, look at the challenge.

01:43:23.860 Here we're in Nashville.

01:43:24.780 We have a street course.

01:43:26.020 It's a street.

01:43:27.020 You just built around it.

01:43:29.600 Yeah.

01:43:30.000 And you know if it's going to be good.

01:43:31.560 Yeah.

01:43:32.480 So we did the first year.

01:43:33.940 Some places are bad.

01:43:34.940 Then you come back and you make it better.

01:43:36.980 We shouldn't start the race at this point because a lot of people crash.

01:43:40.240 You should start it over there.

01:43:41.280 So it's constant.

01:43:43.380 I mean, it's a tough job, you know, but that's what we do to equalize.

01:43:48.180 And then it's easier to sell a sponsorship because when you go sell your sponsorship,

01:43:54.400 the trickiest question, because it's like, let's say I want to buy your drink.

01:44:01.200 I said, how much is that?

01:44:02.240 He said, five bucks.

01:44:03.360 I said, here, five bucks and I'll get it.

01:44:04.880 I drink it.

01:44:05.360 That's good.

01:44:06.200 A sponsor will ask you, how much is a season to win?

01:44:09.520 Well, that's not a question.

01:44:12.940 Because if you can give me the biggest budget, but that's still not guaranteed, I'm going

01:44:17.800 to win.

01:44:18.460 So it's never, it's a risk.

01:44:20.500 The season costs X million dollars.

01:44:23.820 Well, costs $5 million.

01:44:25.660 What about if I give you 10?

01:44:26.960 Are we going to lap the entire field?

01:44:28.780 No.

01:44:30.320 Or about 15?

01:44:31.380 No.

01:44:31.660 And we'll probably lose to a team that had $2 million budget.

01:44:36.760 So it's never, it's never guaranteed.

01:44:40.140 So you kind of like trying to, so the way the series is, you can actually say, all right,

01:44:45.080 well, we don't, we don't have that budget, but we're still very competitive.

01:44:48.380 And then you have a chance to show off and be on TV and have a good result to give the

01:44:52.800 return to your sponsors.

01:44:54.280 So we're making changes pretty much like every year there are different rules and you're

01:45:00.160 trying to improve every race.

01:45:01.920 Is it different being in your, in IndyCar and in NASCAR?

01:45:07.540 Are they two different worlds kind of?

01:45:08.920 Completely different.

01:45:09.860 I mean, I've never raced NASCAR, but our team owner has a team.

01:45:12.760 I have a lot of friends, Tony.

01:45:14.980 I mean, I know Tony well and Clint.

01:45:18.200 It's two different, completely different mentalities.

01:45:20.380 The way they run things, the cars are not similar.

01:45:23.820 They run more of a raw, old school.

01:45:27.060 They're getting like more and more advanced, but we're technology wise.

01:45:30.500 We're, I don't know.

01:45:31.780 In the future.

01:45:32.620 15 years ahead of them.

01:45:34.180 But that's, but that's not because they're not capable.

01:45:37.240 That's the way they choose the way they want it.

01:45:39.140 That's the product.

01:45:40.300 And it works.

01:45:41.220 Yeah.

01:45:41.640 Because then we don't even compete.

01:45:43.020 Like there is no competition.

01:45:44.140 I mean, they go at 160 miles an hour, 180 tops.

01:45:48.580 We'll do 240.

01:45:49.480 Yeah.

01:45:50.380 They corner at 120.

01:45:51.960 We corner at 230.

01:45:53.380 Damn.

01:45:54.540 You know, so, but yeah, there's huge difference.

01:45:57.360 And the fan base as well, because then you go from the guy that likes electric cars or

01:46:01.760 open wheel or NASCAR.

01:46:05.500 Interesting.

01:46:07.220 Man, I think I've learned a lot, you know, I've learned a lot about you and I've learned

01:46:10.780 a lot about the sport overall.

01:46:13.940 I think there's probably more stuff about the sport that I could learn, but I think I

01:46:16.780 just have to get out there and experience it more.

01:46:18.420 I think, uh, you got probably the best shot as far as, you know, experiencing something

01:46:24.540 that, you know, it's like you, you've been in a car now.

01:46:28.200 So you probably, you relate a lot more than if I just had sat here and tell you, you know,

01:46:33.220 you go to a roller coaster.

01:46:34.380 Now you know exactly what we're talking about.

01:46:37.440 You talk about, you have a, you have a wheel that has, it costs 50 grand, just a wheel and

01:46:43.700 you have 15 buttons that you have to change them four or five times a lap.

01:46:48.820 Why are you going 230 miles an hour?

01:46:53.200 Why are you having cars all around?

01:46:55.940 Why you have to look for, because you know, that's another thing that people don't realize

01:46:59.140 when you're going that fast, you're not looking what's happening here.

01:47:02.140 You're looking what's happening like way ahead of you.

01:47:05.440 So yeah, I think you have, I mean, hopefully, hopefully you enjoyed it and you have a different

01:47:09.900 appreciation for what, what we feel.

01:47:13.300 Well, I certainly have a, a, a appreciation for you now and I have, uh, I think I have

01:47:17.980 a better appreciation just being in the car and, um, just kind of seeing what that's like,

01:47:23.660 you know, it just amazing.

01:47:25.600 We'd come up on a turn.

01:47:26.460 I'd be like, I don't know if we're going to be okay for this.

01:47:28.980 Yeah.

01:47:29.380 And then we would just, you know, we do, we have the same thought, right?

01:47:33.160 Yeah.

01:47:34.260 But we have a little bit more of notion that it's going to be okay.

01:47:37.480 But sometimes it's like, Oh, that's not going to be okay.

01:47:40.380 When can you even pass someone?

01:47:41.920 I didn't see any opportunities.

01:47:43.840 Yeah.

01:47:44.380 I mean, you, it's a setup, man.

01:47:47.100 It's, it's a cat and mouse game.

01:47:50.120 Sometimes like in this type of track, there's probably one place to pass, but the, but sometimes

01:47:55.580 that your car is not as good at that place.

01:47:58.460 So what do you do?

01:47:59.380 You force the guy to make a mistake.

01:48:02.080 You put enough pressure on him until he pops.

01:48:05.280 And that's when it comes in back to whatever we've been talking for an hour now, the pressure,

01:48:09.720 the guy that can take it.

01:48:11.260 And it's just really, it is like that.

01:48:15.120 And then you rely on a team too, because we do pit stops, right?

01:48:18.280 We change four tires and we put 20, 20 gallons of fuel in eight seconds.

01:48:24.360 But then when you put that, those eight seconds, when you come into the pits, that the entire

01:48:30.160 field of 26 cars that we have, it probably going to be in one and a half seconds from

01:48:35.760 first to last.

01:48:36.960 Wow.

01:48:37.960 If you come in and the guy has an eight second pit stop and you have a 10 because somebody

01:48:41.580 made a mistake.

01:48:42.360 And you lost.

01:48:43.220 Yeah.

01:48:43.380 You go from first to last.

01:48:44.360 And then a place that you can't pass, you're done.

01:48:48.480 So there's so many other things that are out of your control as well that I have to go

01:48:53.720 right.

01:48:54.880 That is, it's actually, it's brutal.

01:48:57.660 You know what I mean?

01:48:58.400 Because to win, it's brutal.

01:49:00.140 Well, because like in any other sport, some of the other sports, if you don't win it because

01:49:04.140 you suck, because you suck, you can't shoot the ball.

01:49:06.740 Right.

01:49:06.980 It's on you.

01:49:07.840 Yeah.

01:49:08.860 Right.

01:49:09.960 Well, I can't make the basketball.

01:49:11.540 I can't hit the baseball, but that's on you.

01:49:13.360 You need to go there and impress us.

01:49:16.120 You can be the best guy out there.

01:49:17.620 If you don't have a team behind you, you're done.

01:49:19.380 There's a lot of factors.

01:49:20.480 Right.

01:49:20.940 And on top of that, you have the best team, but the manufacturer that make the little lug

01:49:25.100 nut, one of those are defective and they break.

01:49:28.580 And then you're like, so it's very, it's unfair.

01:49:33.900 It's like life, man.

01:49:35.280 Yep.

01:49:35.940 A hundred percent.

01:49:36.960 And we're never happy.

01:49:38.500 We're never happy, man.

01:49:39.920 Life's unfair.

01:49:40.680 And so is that sport.

01:49:41.540 But Tony, thanks so much for your time, man.

01:49:44.140 Thanks, man.

01:49:44.500 I appreciate it.

01:49:45.100 Really, really, thanks for having me.

01:49:47.160 I'm a fan and it's a pleasure to be here.

01:49:51.760 That's the same way that I feel, man.

01:49:53.220 And I look forward, I'm going to come out to the IndyCar in next May.

01:49:57.700 I'll be, hopefully, hopefully it'll be my, we're working on it.

01:50:02.380 Putting a lot of pressure on the people behind the scenes.

01:50:04.160 But yeah, it's, it's going to be my 25th year.

01:50:07.840 And I, if you're really serious and you have the time, you'll be my guest.

01:50:12.440 And I promise you, you're going to experience something that you never did with 400,000 people

01:50:17.340 in that place.

01:50:18.340 I'll give you a radio.

01:50:19.340 You can listen to the conversations during the race.

01:50:22.200 Yeah.

01:50:22.320 Yeah, be sick.

01:50:22.800 I'll definitely make it.

01:50:23.660 And I have to say, it might be my next one, my last one.

01:50:26.620 So you'll probably be there for the good farewell.

01:50:29.560 The ciao, huh?

01:50:30.320 And then we can go party Sunday night.

01:50:32.860 Yeah.

01:50:33.560 The way I say it, we can go drink to celebrate or to forget.

01:50:36.940 Go get you a third wife, huh?

01:50:38.640 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:50:39.640 Stop it.

01:50:40.020 I'm joking.

01:50:40.540 No, no.

01:50:41.260 I'm joking, miss.

01:50:41.980 Get you a wife.

01:50:42.720 Yeah.

01:50:42.980 Oh, there we go.

01:50:43.680 She has some friends.

01:50:44.560 She does?

01:50:45.040 Yes, she does.

01:50:45.260 I want a Brazilian wife too.

01:50:46.900 Well, she's not Brazilian.

01:50:47.920 She's American, but I have a lot of Brazilian friends.

01:50:50.400 Yeah.

01:50:50.820 Are you sure you want that?

01:50:51.740 Yeah, I think so.

01:50:52.300 My friends married a Brazilian lady and she seemed like a great lady.

01:50:55.700 All right.

01:50:55.980 Well, I'll send you some friends.

01:51:00.620 Send me some T. Maya.

01:51:01.620 Some T. Maya.

01:51:02.140 All right, all right, all right.

01:51:02.760 So I can play it for them.

01:51:04.660 Tony, thank you so much for being here.

01:51:06.300 Appreciate it.

01:51:06.780 Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

01:51:12.680 I must be cornerstone.

01:51:17.800 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

01:51:23.420 I can feel it in my bones.

01:51:26.780 But it's going to take a little bit.

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