This Past Weekend with Theo Von - E414 Andrew Callaghan

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00:01:43.440 Today's guest is a connector.

00:01:48.440 He's a man that bridges space between two things.

00:01:55.220 He's a bridge.

00:01:56.060 He might be a drawbridge at times.

00:01:58.160 I don't know.

00:01:59.320 We're going to learn just how he connects people.

00:02:01.140 And we're going to talk about just his journey in journalism.

00:02:07.320 You may know him from All Gas, No Brakes, from French Quarter Confessions, or from his own Channel 5.

00:02:16.740 Today's guest is Andrew Callahan.

00:02:18.640 I'm going to talk about just how he connects people.

00:02:49.000 I just got back into putting deodorant on.

00:02:51.460 Yeah.

00:02:51.820 I actually didn't wear it for like a year.

00:02:53.380 But then like just the past couple months, I don't know if my diet changed, but like the BO is back.

00:02:57.760 Really?

00:02:58.060 So I actually just gave myself a hand soap, like armpit bath in the podcast bathroom.

00:03:04.580 Oh, wow.

00:03:05.280 I like that.

00:03:05.800 I didn't know how close we were going to be sitting.

00:03:07.540 So I was like, damn, I don't want you to be holding your tongue about my armpit odor the whole time.

00:03:11.800 Yeah.

00:03:12.300 You know, because that might send the interview in a different direction, subconsciously.

00:03:15.960 Yeah, that's a good point, man.

00:03:17.300 I hadn't thought about that.

00:03:18.920 I think there are people you get around them.

00:03:22.560 And when they got that odor, sometimes it repels you.

00:03:27.560 Sometimes I notice it's almost like a well, it feels a little bit like not welcoming, but there's a human space in there that's kind of okay.

00:03:38.480 Like you're fallible.

00:03:40.380 Like you smell like I do.

00:03:41.980 Yeah.

00:03:42.460 Yeah.

00:03:42.860 Yeah.

00:03:43.200 Like, okay, I'm a ride this guy, you know.

00:03:46.100 I'll give this guy a chance.

00:03:47.520 Yeah.

00:03:47.720 It smells like shit.

00:03:48.760 Yeah.

00:03:49.120 We have a couple of stench bunnies.

00:03:53.180 I'll ride with this on me right here, dog.

00:03:55.380 But I just, you know, I took a couple of years off too.

00:03:59.980 And just the other day I put it on.

00:04:02.040 Yeah.

00:04:02.320 And I was like, you know, I think there's something.

00:04:05.620 It was a casual and it was like mint and something else.

00:04:08.480 It was one of those more like one somebody made in the woods or made at their house.

00:04:13.040 Yeah.

00:04:13.440 And I was like, I can, I like this a little.

00:04:15.880 Organic style.

00:04:16.720 Yeah.

00:04:17.120 Not like a typical Axe chocolate or like Old Spice swagger or any of those like super heavy chemical ones.

00:04:23.160 Yeah.

00:04:23.440 That's the one that started getting scary.

00:04:25.320 Yeah.

00:04:25.980 I used to collect all that shit, all the Axe flavors.

00:04:28.340 You did?

00:04:28.840 When I was a kid.

00:04:30.220 Dude, they had a wife you collected.

00:04:32.380 I think I was a victim of the Axe marketing.

00:04:34.180 Like they had the Axe chocolate commercial.

00:04:36.460 It was like he walks out of the house and all the ladies are just like all over him.

00:04:39.600 And I was like, that's going to be me, dude.

00:04:40.880 I was in seventh grade.

00:04:41.680 You know, I was like, just got to keep stacking up Axe deodorant flavors and see which one works for me.

00:04:46.180 Yeah.

00:04:46.520 Boy, you get them Axes.

00:04:47.640 Boy, you get as much fucking deodorant as you can.

00:04:50.920 Yeah.

00:04:51.260 I remember something like that dude being young and this, they had this fella in our class named Michael and people used to beat him up a lot and his dad could fix computers or whatever.

00:05:00.700 And where I was from, if somebody could fix computers, it was almost like they worked for Satan, you know, like people didn't want that, you know, can you fix a fucking truck boy?

00:05:10.180 You know what I'm saying?

00:05:10.700 Like get out of here with your damn wires, you know?

00:05:13.680 And, uh, and he, I think felt like deodorant would give him power.

00:05:18.320 And I remember he would put it on his whole body.

00:05:20.920 Really?

00:05:21.380 Up and down his limbs and everything.

00:05:22.880 Yeah.

00:05:23.740 And it really didn't help him much.

00:05:25.960 It made him, you know, it made him enjoyable to be around kind of, but I don't think it helped him in like the emotional sense that he was looking for, for like a parent, you know?

00:05:33.740 Yeah.

00:05:34.040 Cause he would put like, and he would put that old spice, the splash stuff on.

00:05:36.980 Just all over his entire body.

00:05:38.580 Yeah.

00:05:38.960 Like on the front of his hands.

00:05:40.360 Yeah.

00:05:40.720 Yeah.

00:05:41.080 Make a face too.

00:05:42.640 I'm not sure how much he did on that young skin.

00:05:44.800 It would probably really burn him.

00:05:45.960 I'm sure he smelled great.

00:05:47.160 Oh dude.

00:05:47.680 He was, but I think what he was looking for, he's like, if I get enough, maybe this positive smell, maybe my father will love me.

00:05:53.140 So you said that like a computer programmer is like the least honorable profession where you grew up in Louisiana.

00:05:58.060 At the time it was.

00:05:58.940 What do you think at that time was like the most respectable line of work?

00:06:06.660 Probably tire care.

00:06:08.280 Yeah.

00:06:09.120 Fixing them, patching them up.

00:06:11.000 Yeah.

00:06:11.360 Yeah.

00:06:11.660 You could roll in there and roll out in about 12, 13 minutes, you know?

00:06:15.020 Yeah.

00:06:15.360 Is this before discount tire kind of like took the mom and pop tire spots out of business?

00:06:19.480 Yeah.

00:06:20.120 Back in the good old days.

00:06:21.200 Yeah.

00:06:21.580 Back when you rolled in there and a guy could, he would, a guy would, he wouldn't even have to, he would smell around the tire and know what was up.

00:06:28.420 I love tire shops.

00:06:29.440 Oh dude.

00:06:29.980 They were so good.

00:06:30.760 One of the guys tried to make love to my mother for a while.

00:06:32.820 And I think that also made me think, oh, these guys are heroes.

00:06:35.840 Yeah.

00:06:36.220 Why?

00:06:37.740 Because it was somebody that cared about my mom, I guess, you know?

00:06:40.320 It was like, oh man, these guys, they could change a tire on your life, you know?

00:06:44.800 Yeah.

00:06:45.180 They're heroic for sure.

00:06:46.340 By being like, you know, someone that loves you.

00:06:48.980 But anyway, man, Andrew Callahan, thanks for being here, bro.

00:06:53.760 Thanks, man.

00:06:54.480 So some of the audience might not know you, right?

00:06:56.580 You are certainly like, you are a wizard in your own, in a very huge world of journalism, but in your own world.

00:07:05.120 Like, take me through a little bit of where you started out.

00:07:07.940 So Andrew's kind of like this, I don't know, I'm labeled like this Hunter S. Thompson, kind of like this, you know, this like, you're a journalist.

00:07:18.500 That's a safe statement.

00:07:19.540 Yeah.

00:07:20.260 You told me one time when I met you, you said, I follow the vibe or the heat.

00:07:24.560 I follow where the energy's at.

00:07:26.200 Yeah, definitely.

00:07:27.380 Yeah.

00:07:27.760 And so you're like a seeker, kind of.

00:07:30.060 Yeah.

00:07:32.000 Where do you kind of start at?

00:07:33.620 I first saw you on French Quarter Confessions because I'm from Louisiana.

00:07:37.620 That was my first video project.

00:07:39.300 I was a doorman on Bourbon Street in the quarter, and I would get off work and like interview drunk people for late night confessionals, like when they were out partying on Bourbon and Royal and any surrounding streets.

00:07:48.900 Sometimes on Frenchmen, sometimes you got a little crazy.

00:07:51.300 But I mean, I started, I wrote for my high school newspaper, and then like I had this cool ass high school teacher.

00:07:56.860 I didn't really like school too much, but I had a journalism class, and this teacher, Calvin, would let me like leave school for the whole day, and I would come back at the end of the day, like before the bell rang at like 325.

00:08:07.300 And he said, if you had a story of a cool person that you talked to or someone interesting out there, I'd give you school credit.

00:08:13.700 So I was able to just roam Seattle, like free roam throughout the day, and I would come back with like stories about juggalos that I would meet downtown.

00:08:22.520 You know, like how to buy some shit off the Silk Road.

00:08:26.160 I would go to the Occupy Movement tent city and interview people there and just come back and just like write a little article or write-up, and I got school credit.

00:08:33.820 And then he helped me.

00:08:34.840 That kind of experience like propelled me to go to college in Louisiana on a full scholarship to Loyola.

00:08:40.640 Oh, wow.

00:08:41.120 Oh, so that's where you went down at Loyola.

00:08:43.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:43.860 The Wolf Pack.

00:08:44.240 Yeah, but you know about the Wolf Pack?

00:08:45.700 Dude, I went to Loyola for one semester.

00:08:47.080 No, you didn't.

00:08:47.740 Yeah, dude.

00:08:48.420 You live in Beaver Hall in the dorms?

00:08:50.020 No, I tried to do cocaine with a girl one time, and I couldn't get an erection, and I've always felt horrible about that.

00:08:55.860 That one experience is the reason you dropped out of college?

00:08:58.680 It made me, I think, leave Loyola.

00:09:00.540 She was like, I was like, because it was a small campus.

00:09:04.700 I didn't want to see her.

00:09:05.540 Oh, that's a small campus.

00:09:06.640 You know, you see every student every day at Loyola.

00:09:10.660 Yes.

00:09:11.120 Yeah.

00:09:11.680 Yeah, there's no place to hide over there.

00:09:14.820 Yeah, and if you go to the Boot or the Palms or Snake and Jake's or one of those college bars, you really see the same people every day.

00:09:21.120 Yeah, and somebody usually, I feel like there's a sex crime there every night.

00:09:24.360 It almost should be like sex crime Sunday.

00:09:26.340 It should be like a thing.

00:09:27.800 For sure.

00:09:28.260 Like a game of Clue.

00:09:29.700 They kind of like give you like a little check off sheet.

00:09:31.740 Yeah.

00:09:32.260 Those particular bars like on the corner of like Broadway and Zimple are a fucking nightmare.

00:09:37.240 Yeah.

00:09:37.480 People are peeing and drinking at the same time.

00:09:39.500 Like it's a real.

00:09:39.980 Peeing and fighting and making out and grinding, which I didn't really know continued into adulthood.

00:09:45.660 I thought grinding was like a middle school sort of like, you know.

00:09:50.200 Like it's like, but at the boot, like right now, there's someone at the boot grinding with a stranger with their eyes closed.

00:09:55.880 There's just fucking like, the song Candy Shop is playing and they're just like straight up vibing it out, making out.

00:10:01.660 Why is that?

00:10:02.580 Why is there something about, and that's, I think, that is that dirty Louisiana thing where it's like, let's just get together and let our fucking oysters touch.

00:10:11.620 You know, there's something about that.

00:10:13.580 I mean, I didn't know because I did some grinding my freshman year at Loyola.

00:10:16.520 Oh, yeah.

00:10:16.880 You know, because everyone else is grinding and I didn't know at that time, but that would be the last time I'd ever grind.

00:10:20.960 Yeah.

00:10:21.280 You know what I mean?

00:10:21.980 I wouldn't have believed you if you told me at that time.

00:10:23.820 But then I was in the boot and I was like, this is fucking weird.

00:10:26.660 And it never happened again.

00:10:29.940 I wonder if it'd be like a good grinding championship.

00:10:32.600 That would be something I could see going to interview.

00:10:34.860 I think Jamaica would win.

00:10:35.820 Have you seen the dagger dancing?

00:10:37.680 Uh-uh.

00:10:38.320 They're like jumping up and down each other, like dramatic air humping.

00:10:41.920 You have to look it up.

00:10:42.860 I'll send you some videos.

00:10:43.720 It sounds like some of the Maasai warrior stuff.

00:10:45.900 Is it like that?

00:10:46.620 Like when those guys, like they do a lot of that.

00:10:48.680 It's just like that.

00:10:49.600 Oh, wow.

00:10:49.960 That's interesting.

00:10:50.860 Yeah.

00:10:50.960 Okay, so you came through French Quarter Confessions.

00:10:54.800 That's where a lot of people, I think, that's where I first heard about you from being from Louisiana.

00:10:59.180 And did you miss that?

00:11:00.880 Do you miss that Louisiana energy kind of?

00:11:02.760 So much, man.

00:11:03.460 I think about it all the time.

00:11:04.820 Like when I dream, it's like they all take place in the streets of like New Orleans.

00:11:08.760 Like it's like my mental map.

00:11:10.200 You know what I'm talking about?

00:11:10.980 It's a special place.

00:11:11.940 Once you connect to it, it like never leaves you.

00:11:14.560 Yeah.

00:11:14.880 You know, but it's also hard to find work out there.

00:11:17.900 Like it's hard to build a career in media out there.

00:11:20.580 Yeah.

00:11:21.120 I think it's really, really hard.

00:11:22.780 Yeah.

00:11:23.140 Like there's like the news channels and then there's like crime.

00:11:27.580 Yeah.

00:11:27.860 Or you play for the Saints.

00:11:28.920 I feel like there's not a lot of avenues to build a name for yourself.

00:11:33.840 For sure.

00:11:34.280 I mean, the one time I tried to get involved in like local TV stations in Louisiana, I had to sign an NDA.

00:11:40.920 And they're like, we're not going to tell you what your assignment is, but just sign this and we're going to get you on TV.

00:11:45.260 And I'm like, all right, cool.

00:11:46.480 So I sign it and they send me in like a Sprinter van to Covington, Louisiana.

00:11:50.980 And they're like, you see this woman?

00:11:52.520 Her house just burnt down.

00:11:54.640 She doesn't know this yet, but her two dogs are dead inside the house.

00:11:58.400 You got to go walk in that house with her and write about it.

00:12:02.200 I was like, this is the worst job ever.

00:12:04.820 It was like a gender reveal, but not like that.

00:12:07.320 Yeah.

00:12:07.560 It was the saddest thing I've ever seen.

00:12:09.080 And so I was like, I don't want to do this.

00:12:11.000 But after a quarter of confessions, like I would hitchhike around the U.S. a lot, like by myself.

00:12:16.720 Oh, you did.

00:12:17.160 So you got, so after that, then you made it into hitchhiking.

00:12:19.520 Yeah, pretty much like right around there too.

00:12:21.640 So I would hitchhike from like Seattle to New Orleans and back and just interview like outlaws, runaways, deadbeats, like crazy motel creatures in like Nevada.

00:12:29.560 You know, the real reptilians.

00:12:31.500 Oh yeah, man.

00:12:32.480 Look, I've done a lot of picking up hitchhikers over my day.

00:12:34.900 Oh, cool.

00:12:35.560 And people that, I mean, I remember the worst one I ever had was a guy, not the worst, really the best also.

00:12:41.420 This guy, what did he say?

00:12:43.980 Oh, he goes, you want a cold beer?

00:12:45.240 And I'm like, there's no fucking way this dude has a cold beer on him.

00:12:47.320 Pulled a cold beer out of his jacket, man.

00:12:49.540 Like he'd been, I don't know if he'd been cooling with his heart or just whatever he had, you know?

00:12:53.160 And he pulled a cold beer out of his jacket and I was like, oh, this dude is a real, some type of like a future baby or some type of wizard or something.

00:13:01.240 And then he told me a story one time.

00:13:04.700 He got picked up by a guy one time and it was in a high, the guy ended up being in a high speed chase from the police.

00:13:11.500 Right.

00:13:12.360 So next thing you know, this hitchhiker's in a high speed chase, right?

00:13:15.580 Yeah.

00:13:15.920 And so he's like, he asked the guy, he's like, why'd you pick me up?

00:13:18.080 And he goes, cause I don't want to die alone.

00:13:20.800 I'm like, damn, bro.

00:13:23.320 Damn.

00:13:24.100 Let me break for one second.

00:13:26.600 Yeah.

00:13:27.440 Gotta get some phlegm out real quick.

00:13:28.840 Yeah, get it out, man.

00:13:30.980 We'll sell it actually.

00:13:33.620 Okay.

00:13:33.940 So you get into the hitchhiking.

00:13:35.180 Take me on some of your hitchhiking journey right there.

00:13:37.180 I mean, just, just everything was so ridiculous.

00:13:40.900 Like every ride was like crazier than the last.

00:13:43.480 You know what I mean?

00:13:43.980 Like there's always that one story that I tell about like tiny, like Hunter and dude picking me up in Crowley, Louisiana and like taking me to like a refurbished barn house.

00:13:53.080 So that like 12 confessional booths.

00:13:55.020 And I didn't know that it was like a porn viewing.

00:13:57.760 Have you been to a place like this?

00:13:59.060 Was it like a, uh, people kind of a gay meetup or just gay or straight?

00:14:03.940 I think it's a place where truckers pull over to like have a private pornography viewing experience.

00:14:08.820 They have like a bottle of lotion and like, they have three channels.

00:14:12.060 They have like the gay channel, regular channel, then like the fetish channel or whatever.

00:14:15.960 So I'm thinking I picked this dude up.

00:14:17.900 He has like a fucked up car and he takes me to the place to view it.

00:14:22.740 Tries to, you know, see what was up.

00:14:25.060 And I was like, nah.

00:14:26.840 And then he was like, oh, why were you at that truck stop?

00:14:29.120 And I guess where he picked me up was like a known kind of notorious bay for notorious gay prostitute truck stop.

00:14:37.020 So he thought that I was a, I wonder why he didn't say anything for an hour in the car, but he didn't want to get like, get a solicitation charge.

00:14:43.520 So he didn't say much because he kind of figured out, he wanted, he was asking me weird questions.

00:14:47.520 Like, do you like porn?

00:14:48.560 Do you like movies?

00:14:49.220 And I was like, all right, what's up with this guy?

00:14:51.160 Right.

00:14:51.420 Yeah.

00:14:51.700 Do you like, have you ever, yeah.

00:14:53.040 What kind of condiments do you like?

00:14:54.780 Yeah.

00:14:55.140 Just like strange shit like that.

00:14:56.760 Super, super weird.

00:14:57.740 Yeah.

00:14:58.340 But I wrote a book about the hitchhiking, like a zine thing.

00:15:00.820 You did?

00:15:01.220 Yeah.

00:15:01.640 And like people liked it.

00:15:02.680 I probably sold a couple hundred copies.

00:15:04.240 Like that was good.

00:15:04.820 But then I realized like nobody really reads, dude.

00:15:07.380 Yeah.

00:15:07.900 Reading is a tough thing for people.

00:15:09.640 Do you even find for yourself that it's hard to read these days?

00:15:12.420 I'd prefer to listen to a podcast or an audio book, you know, but it is like a calming like thing to do reading.

00:15:19.260 Yeah.

00:15:19.600 I think it makes my mind, it does something good for my brain.

00:15:22.060 I feel like in my mind, it makes them kind of settle down.

00:15:24.680 It puts them like on a pace that feels like they can keep up with.

00:15:28.660 Whereas like this, the way we kind of have media nowadays, sometimes it feels like a pace that's not fair to the operating system that I have, you know, that God put in me or whatever.

00:15:39.640 Any hotties ever pick you up?

00:15:42.160 Any chicks ever pick you up?

00:15:43.200 Was there ever any sex on the route?

00:15:45.380 No.

00:15:46.100 Wow.

00:15:46.840 Definitely not.

00:15:47.660 It was mostly like a super old timey, like stick and bindle, kind of like formerly vagabond hobo dudes.

00:15:55.340 You know, because I think that like they, they grew up before Texas Chainsaw Massacre came out, which to me is the quintessential turning point of hitchhikers being viewed as like potentially homicidal maniacs.

00:16:06.260 But before that, I'm assuming it was a cool fucking hippie thing to do, you know, but then after that, it was like hitchhiker is a, is a murderer.

00:16:12.720 Yeah.

00:16:13.160 And so I think now like people would flip me off, you know, like good.

00:16:17.340 And we're talking like Christian family folk would be driving in a minivan, look at me and the whole family would flip me off.

00:16:22.720 Oh, that, yeah.

00:16:23.580 Just strange stuff.

00:16:24.980 Look at that.

00:16:25.780 Yeah.

00:16:26.920 Yeah.

00:16:27.280 They used to call, yeah.

00:16:28.360 I remember, yeah.

00:16:29.280 People would sometimes drive by, call me a road inward.

00:16:32.500 They would call me and I'm like, what?

00:16:33.820 What are you even talking about?

00:16:34.700 Wow.

00:16:35.320 Just drive like, what?

00:16:36.520 So you did some hitchhiking too?

00:16:37.760 Just racial.

00:16:38.220 Yeah, man.

00:16:38.620 I used to get out there, bro.

00:16:39.860 I used to love it.

00:16:40.660 I used to love, you know what?

00:16:43.020 I think I loved.

00:16:43.860 I think I did it because there was a part of me that wanted to have something different, you know?

00:16:49.140 Yeah.

00:16:49.480 But then there was that moment of fear where it's like, I don't know what the heck's going to happen to me.

00:16:54.260 Yeah.

00:16:55.060 I think I always liked that, you know, gamble.

00:16:58.220 Like one dude that picked us up in Arizona, drove me from Phoenix to Vegas.

00:17:01.960 He was like basically an arms dealer, you know?

00:17:05.600 And he had just spent the better part of 10 years like in Arizona State Penitentiary.

00:17:09.480 And his whole backseat had like Home Depot buckets just full of like magazines, switches, silencers, beams, all this crazy ass shit.

00:17:21.700 And was it hard to navigate that?

00:17:23.280 Is it hard to stay in the pocket in there and not just like jump out or?

00:17:26.340 Well, because, you know, one thing you learn from being a hitchhiker is people lie a lot.

00:17:31.020 They try to impress you.

00:17:31.820 They try to relate to you.

00:17:32.680 And they want to seem super cool and like weathered.

00:17:34.620 So they would tell you like, man, I used to be selling guns all up and down the West Coast.

00:17:38.360 You're like, okay, you know, we hear you.

00:17:40.100 Right.

00:17:40.220 And then he was like, no, for real.

00:17:41.580 Check out the back.

00:17:42.680 And I look at these buckets full of like gun parts.

00:17:45.240 And I'm like, why the fuck did this guy pick me up?

00:17:47.500 Yeah.

00:17:47.740 And he was already running hot, riding hot as hell.

00:17:50.460 Right.

00:17:51.060 But I guess he probably enjoyed the roll of the dice too.

00:17:53.920 Oh, right.

00:17:54.600 There's two people are rolling the dice.

00:17:56.360 And it's also like saying, hey, God, I'm going to put the dice or fates or whatever.

00:18:00.440 I'm going to put the dice in your hands.

00:18:01.900 Exactly.

00:18:02.500 I'm going to let, I'm going to take, I am going to like, yeah, I'm going to take my hands off the wheel.

00:18:07.920 Yeah, dude, a lot of times I would let people just, or I would get picked up or have people take me just even around our own town, you know?

00:18:13.960 And it was definitely, yeah, there's that element of uncertainty.

00:18:18.660 What's going to happen here, you know?

00:18:20.200 And also it takes some of the responsibility of your own life off of you.

00:18:23.860 You're like, I'm going to put my life in this guy's hands, this Mazda.

00:18:27.980 Yeah.

00:18:28.460 You know, this dude in a Mazda.

00:18:29.880 I'm going to fucking, you know?

00:18:30.960 With underglow.

00:18:31.940 Yeah.

00:18:34.560 Damn, bro.

00:18:35.460 Yeah.

00:18:35.760 And hitchhiking used to be so popular in the 70s and stuff like that.

00:18:39.160 Like 1978 or whatever, Texas Chainsaw Massacre drops.

00:18:42.660 That's when it happened, huh?

00:18:43.540 And then every year there was a hitchhiker horror movie of some hippie looking dude who like, you know, slashes the driver's throat.

00:18:50.920 It's horrible.

00:18:51.840 But also in the South, I mean, hitchhiking is a lot harder than it is on the West Coast.

00:18:55.440 You think so?

00:18:56.020 I did the 101 one time, like from Astoria, Oregon down to like the Bay.

00:19:00.460 I got picked up within 30 seconds every time by people in like Volkswagen vans and RVs, like, you know, West Coast kind of like hippie adjacent folk.

00:19:09.140 In the South, I feel like it's more of a charity thing.

00:19:11.260 Like when I, I remember I got picked up in Paducah, Kentucky one time, which is like the most religious small town I've ever been to.

00:19:16.940 And everyone who picked me up was like, you, you remind me of my son.

00:19:20.240 I'm like, what do you mean?

00:19:21.180 And they're like, he's strung out on dope somewhere.

00:19:24.060 And I'm like, okay, I'm not.

00:19:25.680 But like, thank you.

00:19:27.080 So I think it's just a different barometer for like-

00:19:29.220 Or you remind me of my hot daughter in that area, dude.

00:19:31.520 I think you would probably compete with some of the local models, I think.

00:19:35.080 I think so too.

00:19:35.700 I could model in Paducah.

00:19:37.040 Oh, bro.

00:19:37.660 If all else fails, I can just go model in Appalachia.

00:19:41.280 Yeah, that'd be so good.

00:19:43.560 Got to get stronger hands, you know, once I get like farmer fingers.

00:19:46.680 Bro, how pissed would they get if like a trans model showed up and started winning all the pageants?

00:19:51.740 Oh, dude, culture war 2.0.

00:19:53.880 That'd be so good.

00:19:54.540 The culture war has been, is back on.

00:19:56.660 You've been watching the news.

00:19:58.320 Yeah, I think I see a lot of it.

00:19:59.460 So when you say culture war, what does it mean?

00:20:01.160 It means when mainstream media propagates like irrelevant small culture war shit, you know, like things that aren't really a big issue.

00:20:09.940 Like, you know, like trans women playing in sports and they obsess over it to distract you from real things that are going on.

00:20:15.500 Do you think that they do that?

00:20:16.860 Yeah, totally do it.

00:20:17.940 Yeah.

00:20:18.080 Like left, like liberal and like conservative mainstream media, they pick strategically like before midterms to get people all riled up by like zooming in on like specific.

00:20:28.020 They know what they're doing.

00:20:29.100 It's ridiculous.

00:20:29.400 Yeah, like people with lisps, like they're, you know, or like, yeah, like trans people in sports.

00:20:35.400 Yeah.

00:20:35.760 It doesn't just make you angry.

00:20:37.460 Like you didn't hear about it for like eight months.

00:20:38.960 And then they're like, oh, shit, we got an election coming up.

00:20:40.940 Let's stoke more anxiety and exploit people's fears about this.

00:20:44.180 Yeah.

00:20:44.640 Try to get votes.

00:20:45.380 And it works, huh?

00:20:46.500 Instantly.

00:20:47.720 On both sides.

00:20:48.860 Yeah.

00:20:49.060 Yeah, it works instantly on both sides.

00:20:52.020 It's amazing sometimes because people look at the conservative side, I feel like.

00:20:58.680 This is just a general thought of my own.

00:21:00.500 People look at the conservative side as being a less educated side.

00:21:04.440 Mm-hmm.

00:21:05.240 But both sides will fall for the same exact tricks.

00:21:08.700 Yeah.

00:21:09.780 Totally.

00:21:10.100 It's almost crazy.

00:21:10.880 You can almost, I don't know.

00:21:12.780 It's just really fascinating to me that it's like, but this is the same game being done on both teams.

00:21:19.260 Oh, yeah, totally.

00:21:20.460 Like liberal media will go to like the furthest sticks and boonies they can possibly go to to find like their like racist guy to interview.

00:21:27.980 Yeah.

00:21:28.340 And just to get people all freaked out.

00:21:30.200 And I'm sure you know what that's like.

00:21:31.720 They often scapegoat the South.

00:21:34.200 Yeah, it's happened a lot.

00:21:35.460 It's happened a lot over the years, especially during like during Trump, during like that administration, during that kind of stuff.

00:21:41.300 Yeah.

00:21:41.640 Those white guys in Charlestown or whatever.

00:21:44.280 Charlottesville.

00:21:45.020 Yeah.

00:21:45.300 Yeah.

00:21:45.480 I thought it was surely like there was probably a couple of dudes in there who was hoping things would go to another level of like, yeah, of let's white it, you know, white and around.

00:21:54.440 Yeah.

00:21:54.800 But I think there was probably as many people that were just confused and responded to a Craigslist ad, you know?

00:22:00.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:22:01.280 And just falling, falling victim to their own echo chamber, you know, like they're in these tight, weird online niche communities and the algorithm starts recommending shit to them that they already know they're going to be receptive to, to get more ad revenue.

00:22:11.840 And before you know it, they're just like down the rabbit hole.

00:22:14.540 And these social media companies are making fucking millions while these people are just spiraling out of control.

00:22:19.200 Yeah.

00:22:19.280 Then next thing you know, they're yelling shit about Jews in public.

00:22:21.960 I mean, that's crazy, dude.

00:22:23.580 You know, I don't yell anything in public.

00:22:25.580 Yeah.

00:22:26.520 Michael Myers is pretty, I don't know, honestly, brother, dude, not that scary anymore.

00:22:30.600 I saw the last Halloween, it was horrible.

00:22:32.500 The one a few years ago, it was horrible.

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00:24:52.840 Well, yelling in public also is such an outdated form of communication, unfortunately.

00:24:58.140 Our voices now have to go through these certain portals or it feels like that they can't be communicated.

00:25:04.140 Yeah, there's no more like town crier.

00:25:06.540 I mean, no one would take you seriously.

00:25:08.620 Right, that's the thing.

00:25:09.440 No one would take you seriously.

00:25:10.640 But I seek out people like that.

00:25:12.880 That's sort of the basis of early All Gas No Breaks interviews.

00:25:15.760 It's like, I don't want to talk to an online loud person.

00:25:18.500 I want to talk to a real life screamer.

00:25:20.440 Yeah.

00:25:21.180 So you get, so yeah, get me to All Gas No Breaks and then let's get to Channel 5.

00:25:25.660 And then just for our listeners.

00:25:27.260 So you're doing the hitchhiking, you left out of Louisiana and you end up-

00:25:35.120 In Seattle.

00:25:35.660 In Seattle.

00:25:36.080 And then from Seattle, like down to LA on the West Coast and back to Colorado.

00:25:39.440 I mean, the summers following that, I hitchhiked a bunch.

00:25:41.820 But the book that I wrote, I mean, it's not for sale anymore, but it was about like my first

00:25:44.940 hitchhiking experience.

00:25:46.900 That kind of had like a small cult following, which led me to want to make a show.

00:25:50.040 The book was called All Gas No Breaks, A Hitchhiker's Diary.

00:25:52.400 Yeah.

00:25:52.580 And I was like, man, nobody really reads.

00:25:53.920 I want to make a, like an interview-based roadshow.

00:25:57.300 So I convinced the company to buy me an RV, whatever.

00:26:00.900 Made All Gas No Breaks.

00:26:02.000 Fell out with the company over a contractual dispute.

00:26:04.360 Right.

00:26:04.640 Signed a movie deal with Tim and Eric.

00:26:06.760 That movie is coming out in December.

00:26:09.080 Awesome.

00:26:09.600 It's with HBO and A24.

00:26:11.380 Congratulations, man.

00:26:12.280 I'm stoked, dude.

00:26:12.940 It's crazy.

00:26:13.680 Wow.

00:26:14.320 Yeah.

00:26:14.580 And so the movie will be about, I know you have a tour coming up too, right?

00:26:18.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:18.560 So, I mean, that's crazy, man.

00:26:20.060 I start my first ever tour in like 12 days.

00:26:22.820 It's like 45 dates, like back to back.

00:26:25.320 We're going to screen scenes from the movie.

00:26:27.200 We're going to find like battle rappers and magicians via Craigslist to open up each performance.

00:26:32.100 You can have some people from episodes.

00:26:33.560 I know that you've already taped that will be at some of the, at some of the venues.

00:26:38.040 Yeah, definitely.

00:26:39.080 And it's just crazy.

00:26:40.040 I've just been like trying to be calm before the tour starts.

00:26:42.720 I've just been playing tennis and hanging out with my mom every day.

00:26:45.080 Oh, wow.

00:26:45.960 Yeah.

00:26:46.240 At Venice Beach, tennis courts.

00:26:47.980 Do you and your mother look alike or no?

00:26:50.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:26:50.840 Y'all do?

00:26:51.320 Yeah.

00:26:51.780 That's cool.

00:26:52.400 I think so.

00:26:53.120 Yeah.

00:26:53.820 Yeah.

00:26:54.500 Is your father still alive or no?

00:26:56.040 Yeah, he's alive.

00:26:56.580 He's a bartender in Seattle.

00:26:57.880 Oh, he is?

00:26:58.500 Yeah.

00:26:58.940 Oh, wow.

00:26:59.480 He's a cool dude.

00:27:00.400 Are your parents pretty proud of you?

00:27:01.820 Yeah, I think so.

00:27:02.500 I hope so.

00:27:03.200 Yeah.

00:27:03.600 They should be, I think.

00:27:04.620 Yeah.

00:27:04.980 You know what I mean?

00:27:05.820 Do you feel like your desire to create or to get out there and interview people, do you feel like any

00:27:11.000 of that came from your own childhood or do you think it was just a choice you kind of

00:27:13.980 made as you, like, is it more about journalism or is it more about seeking something to fulfill

00:27:19.240 something inside of you?

00:27:20.400 Well, I think my mom is like a super sweet, like caring person, very empathetic, big listener.

00:27:25.020 She was the kind of person that like, you know, if someone would approach us on the street,

00:27:28.200 you know, like I need some help, she would always help them.

00:27:30.500 But a step further, like talk to them and converse with them.

00:27:33.000 And so like, I think when I was super young, she would humanize people just day to day

00:27:36.980 for me.

00:27:37.540 So I didn't go, I didn't grow up with this wall or like glass wall between me and like

00:27:41.120 people who I didn't understand.

00:27:42.680 Right.

00:27:42.860 So I just kind of went through life.

00:27:44.000 And then like when I started smoking weed when I was like 13 in Seattle, like walking

00:27:47.900 around downtown high, I just became like this, like a toddler level, curious, like wanderer.

00:27:52.880 And I would just walk around and be like, what's up?

00:27:54.660 Where are you from?

00:27:55.860 And I would ask people, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen?

00:27:58.600 When I was young, I'm like, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen?

00:28:00.800 I would just sit there for like an hour.

00:28:01.840 I'd be like, damn, dude.

00:28:03.120 All right, peace.

00:28:04.200 So I was like listening to basically five hours of free podcasts today.

00:28:08.080 And so by the time I got old, I was like, damn, you can make a career out of this?

00:28:11.140 Like, that's sick.

00:28:12.140 Wow.

00:28:13.280 That's incredible, man.

00:28:14.240 Yeah, Seattle's got, Seattle at night gets really, it's got a, like a damp vampire

00:28:19.680 running around, bro.

00:28:20.560 There's a lot of like, there's a lot of damn condensation fucking drug muppets bouncing

00:28:26.600 around over there.

00:28:27.460 Certainly so.

00:28:28.580 That's why.

00:28:28.880 It's a beautiful American city.

00:28:30.440 Yeah.

00:28:30.700 We used to do that comedy club underground, underground comedy over there.

00:28:36.640 It was, it was honestly one of the best rooms to do comedy in.

00:28:39.260 I don't know if it's still there.

00:28:41.760 So now, so, so, so that's where you're at now.

00:28:44.920 So now you got like, I mean, you, you do so much interesting stuff.

00:28:48.060 Now you follow, is that still kind of your, your goal to follow the, the heat to follow

00:28:53.140 what's going on?

00:28:54.140 How hard is it to still do that when you've gotten busier?

00:28:57.040 Uh, I'm not, I mean, right now there's not much happening in the news cycle.

00:29:00.860 So it's like, I'm more doing like character studies and like random cultural interest

00:29:05.180 stuff.

00:29:05.500 But like once the midterms kick back into full swing, like I got to follow the news beat.

00:29:09.100 Like there's nothing better than like being on the ball of news as it's happening.

00:29:12.260 Like it's, it's, it's like the best feeling.

00:29:14.160 It's like, it's kind of like addicting.

00:29:15.600 Wow.

00:29:15.880 Like watching history unfold and documenting it and being like on scene.

00:29:19.000 I get how reporters can get addicted to like following that high all the time, but you got

00:29:23.620 to like stay away from that to a certain degree because then you become just like a chaos

00:29:27.120 tourist and you spend every waking day being like, where are people pissed off?

00:29:30.720 And you get so used to it's kind of jades your mind.

00:29:33.520 And you're like, man, like society is in decline because you spend every other day at like a

00:29:38.080 right or left wing protest.

00:29:39.460 So it's important to kind of zoom out and cover like positive subjects.

00:29:42.280 Like I went to a powerlifting event in Sacramento a month ago called world's strongest man.

00:29:47.340 That was just fun.

00:29:49.180 No one's talking about like, you know, the Clinton deep state cabal or like the collapse

00:29:53.180 of civilization.

00:29:54.280 So I'm like, man, this is just nice.

00:29:56.300 So you got to pepper your life with shit like that to stay level-headed.

00:29:59.780 I think.

00:30:00.580 Interesting.

00:30:01.340 Yeah.

00:30:01.700 I saw you talking to a bunch of like those jizz wizard dudes.

00:30:04.800 Those like guys that are like those fucking, you know what I'm saying?

00:30:08.120 Those fucking smoke garglers, dude.

00:30:09.860 Them dudes go deep, bro.

00:30:11.760 Yeah.

00:30:12.060 Will Blunderfield is his name.

00:30:13.560 Oh, okay.

00:30:14.020 Will, Will.

00:30:14.420 He's kind of the commander in chief of the jizz wizards.

00:30:17.680 And that's a new movement really of men.

00:30:21.220 Do you see that just as a while, like an out there group?

00:30:23.940 Or do you see that as a, as, as an example of men trying to find different ways to regain

00:30:29.220 masculinity?

00:30:30.480 I think for, I think that will, will specific demographic is dudes who would be traditionally

00:30:35.200 called gay by society.

00:30:36.700 Okay.

00:30:37.440 Trying to become bisexual to a certain extent.

00:30:41.240 You know what I mean?

00:30:41.920 Because he's talking about how, you know, when he does same sex erotic bonding in the forest

00:30:45.980 with his bros, it kind of makes him have a procreative urge.

00:30:49.420 You know, so I think to a certain degree, I think the manosphere has definitely taken over.

00:30:54.960 Like a lot of the surface net, even.

00:30:58.140 What is the manosphere?

00:30:59.300 Just like Andrew Tate type people, you know, just like men's, like alpha men's wellness self-help

00:31:06.000 dudes, you know, but I think that will's a bit different because it's more on like the

00:31:10.340 spiritual side and it's more connected to like eating well and all that type of shit,

00:31:16.560 cutting like glyphosate and natrazine out of your diet to like have your chakras aligned

00:31:22.380 and like reach the new dimension and like breath work.

00:31:25.800 And I feel like he's, I feel like he's more on that too.

00:31:28.460 But then again, I feel like 2020 and COVID created this insane fusion with like the wellness

00:31:33.520 community and like pretty hard right people because of the anti-vax thing.

00:31:40.180 Oh, interesting.

00:31:41.040 So like half of the, you know, like yogis and like holistic community wellness people became

00:31:46.820 like fully QAnon pilled in 2020.

00:31:49.760 Wow.

00:31:50.100 Like I remember, I'm not going to say her name, but this lady who invented butthole sunning

00:31:54.500 or perineum sunning.

00:31:55.420 Yeah, I've heard a lot about that.

00:31:56.840 Yeah.

00:31:57.120 So she, it was super like kind of cool, hippie, like free thinker, believes in the sun god,

00:32:01.900 thinks the sun god speaks to your soul through your anus rays come in, get into your body.

00:32:08.480 That's god, divine energy.

00:32:10.420 I hadn't talked to her in like six months.

00:32:12.960 I checked back on her Instagram and it's a, this is real shit.

00:32:16.600 It's George Floyd and then like a lizard person cropped over each other.

00:32:21.920 And she was like, don't believe everything you see on TV.

00:32:25.980 And like, it's just crazy to see like that happening to someone like that.

00:32:29.400 And now it's all just like the storm is coming, like crazy ass, like fringe shit.

00:32:34.880 Like JFK Jr. is still alive.

00:32:37.560 Oh, wow.

00:32:38.960 Like, yeah.

00:32:40.460 JFK Jr.

00:32:42.200 No, he's, no, he's not.

00:32:43.960 But his, him being alive is central to the QAnon.

00:32:46.140 Oh, I see.

00:32:46.860 I see that.

00:32:47.620 You're just saying that it's, it gets in that little, that drain.

00:32:51.080 They were waiting at the grassy knoll in Dallas like four months ago for his return.

00:32:54.520 No way.

00:32:54.960 Yeah.

00:32:55.420 And like, it's kind of like Bigfoot hunting style where like one guy says that he saw it

00:32:59.200 when everyone looked away.

00:33:00.580 And so I met a guy who was like, I saw him.

00:33:02.740 And everyone's like, no, you didn't.

00:33:04.020 Like, and they almost were having some infighting.

00:33:05.420 He's like, no, dude, I saw him.

00:33:06.780 So you were down there when that happened?

00:33:07.780 No, but I talked to a bunch of the people who were there at the people's convoy, which

00:33:11.260 is like a trucker protest right after.

00:33:12.860 Okay.

00:33:13.260 Yeah.

00:33:14.880 Wow.

00:33:15.400 I'm pretty deep in that little world.

00:33:17.300 Yeah.

00:33:17.740 We've, we've had Bobby Kennedy on here before.

00:33:20.120 So he was big.

00:33:21.320 He's a environmentalist, you know?

00:33:23.600 So it's, it makes sense that he would be, you know, he was always about like taking care

00:33:28.240 of nature.

00:33:28.660 So then it makes sense that he would take, want to take, that his interest would lead

00:33:32.800 to taking care of the nature inside of your body, you know, like the waterways inside

00:33:36.280 of your body and that sort of thing.

00:33:39.060 So he's been a big, like, I wouldn't call him an ant, I don't know if he was anti, he

00:33:44.820 wasn't anti COVID, but I think he was an anti-vax, anti, or making sure that vaccinations

00:33:49.120 are tested correctly, you know?

00:33:52.140 Cause in my town, I grew up in a, in Covington, Louisiana, and they had, they used to, they

00:33:57.720 were making the polio vaccine in our town in like the sixties or something, whenever they

00:34:02.980 put it out or maybe the, I think the sixties or seventies.

00:34:05.600 Um, and they, that's where they created the polio vaccine at, and they used to test it

00:34:12.220 on monkeys.

00:34:13.240 Well, the polio vaccine ended up giving cervical cancer to millions of women, but they'd already

00:34:19.300 made it.

00:34:20.360 And they were just like, yeah, fuck it.

00:34:22.940 We already bought it.

00:34:23.940 Right.

00:34:24.320 Like we already, the deal sealed.

00:34:26.000 Yeah.

00:34:26.180 This is what we got.

00:34:27.200 So it helped polio, but you, there was a high risk for cervical cancer.

00:34:31.700 So I think some people, you know, it, it also depends on, I think where some people's

00:34:35.040 mindsets come out of.

00:34:37.320 Um, do you, uh, do you now like, like, I know you just went in and interviewed Alex

00:34:43.120 Jones and I had to sit down with Alex Jones.

00:34:44.560 Yeah.

00:34:44.940 What was that kind of like?

00:34:46.040 Was that, do you think the guy was absolutely crazy?

00:34:49.400 Do you think he was overwhelmed by the, the lawsuit at this point?

00:34:55.380 Um, or do you feel like he's on point with some stuff and he's just too loud for the

00:35:00.800 world these days?

00:35:01.660 Like, I don't know.

00:35:03.780 It's, it's such a tough one.

00:35:04.820 Cause I, I, I do see both angles of it.

00:35:07.060 You know what I mean?

00:35:07.540 And I had a lot of heat from a lot of my fans for even talking to him.

00:35:11.720 I mean, the billion dollar verdict, it's, he probably has between two and $3 million

00:35:17.600 in, in info wars or free speech systems is filing for bankruptcy.

00:35:21.120 So he's not going to, the Sandy Hook families aren't going to see that money.

00:35:24.880 But, um, I guess it's a precedent in the future for it's like, if you, cause he was

00:35:30.300 really coming after the parents as well, you know, like he put one of the parents addresses

00:35:34.320 up.

00:35:35.000 It's egregious.

00:35:35.780 I mean, it's egregious when somebody goes, and I can't imagine when you go through something

00:35:38.820 like that and there's this voice that gets loud.

00:35:42.240 Yeah.

00:35:42.560 But I'm reading this book called Sandy Hook by Elizabeth, Elizabeth Williamson.

00:35:45.540 And like some of the dudes that Alex was like platforming on his shit.

00:35:48.520 I hate saying platforming, but like this dude, Wolfgang Helbig.

00:35:51.620 And there's people who like were writing like 4,000 emails a day to the Sandy Hook families,

00:35:56.620 like type shit, like harassing them, stalking them, leaving messages saying they're going

00:36:01.160 to kill them, accusing them of keeping their kids alive as sex slaves in the attic and shit.

00:36:07.320 Horrible stuff.

00:36:08.640 So it wasn't a lot of people.

00:36:10.640 It's not just about Alex.

00:36:12.000 It's just some of the people.

00:36:13.680 The ripple effect.

00:36:14.540 Yeah.

00:36:14.780 Cause there's a whole community of lost people who devote their whole life to harassing the

00:36:19.520 victims families of the Colorado Aurora shooting of Sandy Hook of Uvalde.

00:36:24.300 Like it's a whole community of, of, you know, crisis actor followers, like false flag.

00:36:30.180 Have you been able to meet any of those types of folks, even just to see like, cause I think

00:36:34.300 one thing that's really interesting that you do, and I really like seeing it, man, is that

00:36:38.560 you kind of just, you go and just kind of listen to people.

00:36:41.520 It's like, Hey, here's what's going on.

00:36:43.300 And I think it's really powerful.

00:36:44.880 Even as you say, like some of your followers or supporters, like, Oh, why would you even

00:36:49.320 give this guy space?

00:36:50.400 But people would say that too, about having Bobby Kennedy on here.

00:36:53.800 It's like, why would you give this guy space?

00:36:55.280 Like he's a human being.

00:36:57.060 He's first of all, one of the smartest guys that I know.

00:36:59.760 Yeah.

00:37:00.100 Like really interesting and amazing friend.

00:37:02.640 Yeah.

00:37:02.860 So it's like, I wouldn't not trust him.

00:37:05.160 Like, why wouldn't I listen and hear what his, what his thoughts are and what's going

00:37:08.840 on?

00:37:09.660 Yeah.

00:37:10.040 I just think like the more liberal audience is like super into, uh, de-platforming.

00:37:14.280 And they think that like giving someone a, uh, giving a problematic person, a platform

00:37:19.140 is somehow supporting them.

00:37:21.000 And I always refute that like this.

00:37:22.940 If I, if it's a lesser known shitty person that I'm cherry picking to kind of dunk on,

00:37:29.500 that's fucked up.

00:37:30.600 You know, if I'm, if I bring some white nationalists from the, you know, cuts of Alabama on my show

00:37:36.160 just to like grill him and make him look stupid.

00:37:38.500 Right.

00:37:38.740 I am inadvertently growing his audience by bringing him on because the people who watch

00:37:43.160 my shit and even if they agree with me, his name is now out there.

00:37:47.260 I've elevated his name to the top.

00:37:48.960 And so people will know his name.

00:37:50.120 They'll go to his website.

00:37:51.080 You kind of increase traffic for that person and you create future white nationalists and

00:37:55.880 vice versa.

00:37:56.720 But like Alex Jones, everybody knows who that is.

00:37:59.580 He's a household name.

00:38:00.660 The Proud Boys, everybody knows who that is.

00:38:02.680 So when I'm interviewing people like that, that most of my audience doesn't like, I am not

00:38:07.580 increasing their fame or increasing their exposure because with, with or without me, everyone's

00:38:12.940 going to know who those people are.

00:38:15.420 Alex Jones is on the front page of the New York times.

00:38:17.500 The Proud Boys are being investigated by the FBI for January 6th.

00:38:20.380 So me interviewing them, I'm not platforming or increasing their audience at all.

00:38:24.240 But you know, if I was to interview like more lesser known, you know, fringe people, I

00:38:30.400 wouldn't do that, you know?

00:38:31.460 Yeah.

00:38:31.760 Like if you were to interview like Whitey killer 1200 or you were to interview like, um,

00:38:36.440 slave buyer 55.

00:38:39.380 Exactly.

00:38:39.860 Then you would be, you know, or yeah.

00:38:42.700 But mainstream media, like liberal media does that shit.

00:38:45.580 They find like the dumbest person they can and they're like inside the Klu Klux Klan.

00:38:50.300 And it's, and it's like some like 300 pound, like CSI Miami watcher sitting in his chair.

00:38:56.600 He's like, why people?

00:38:58.280 We're just better at stuff, man.

00:39:00.080 And like, and the journalist is like, what do you mean by that?

00:39:05.800 How can you say something like that?

00:39:07.040 He was like, you know, I'm just, I'm not doing that shit, man.

00:39:12.220 Yeah.

00:39:12.660 It's interesting.

00:39:13.740 And it's like people, why do people get so stuck in their own value?

00:39:17.700 Like why can't people just let somebody else have a different belief?

00:39:22.180 Like, like a different politician.

00:39:24.960 How did that get so crazy from your perception?

00:39:28.080 I don't know.

00:39:28.500 But I think that, uh, the politis, like the, how all the late night TV shows and how SNL

00:39:33.980 just became like orange man bashing machines.

00:39:37.180 Yeah.

00:39:37.380 And you fucking turn on Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel or something.

00:39:39.860 It's literally like every other night is like an anti-Trump monologue.

00:39:43.440 It was horrible.

00:39:44.020 They ruined their shows.

00:39:44.900 I think they're still doing it.

00:39:47.060 They're crazy though.

00:39:47.960 It seems like bad.

00:39:49.160 What, why it's like, you could just say, Hey, this is who I support or don't support.

00:39:54.520 Yeah.

00:39:54.820 I think the incentive is there.

00:39:56.320 It's the safest thing you could do, you know, in, in comedy in, in that realm is to

00:40:01.200 just bash like, you know, a conservative president and I don't support Trump, you know, but it's

00:40:06.440 like, I don't want to go on late night TV and watch a rich guy talk shit about another rich

00:40:11.240 guy.

00:40:11.920 I know.

00:40:12.520 You know what I mean?

00:40:12.900 I'm just like, this is just the same shit.

00:40:14.880 And I think that has something to do with it.

00:40:17.420 Cause if you think about it, right, like those shows reach everybody.

00:40:20.400 They're on cable.

00:40:21.260 So you can be sitting in the middle of a red state and you go on cable and you go to

00:40:25.720 comedy central ABC late night.

00:40:27.660 And that's what you're seeing is you're supposed to hero being shit on by, you know, the comedic

00:40:35.120 elite of late night TV in Los Angeles or New York.

00:40:37.440 Right.

00:40:37.680 And that they're all on the same page.

00:40:39.560 None of them have any different view or not even a lot of, uh, like variation, variation

00:40:45.560 in their own views.

00:40:47.340 But like, so the real OG is like Jon Stewart, like they've held it down.

00:40:51.220 You know, that to me, that's like the best.

00:40:53.400 Yeah.

00:40:54.360 Early daily show.

00:40:55.820 To me, that was like during the Bush era, that was like this absolute sweet spot of like

00:40:59.800 comedic late night political shit.

00:41:01.820 Yeah.

00:41:02.220 And Bush also was, they kind of made like, it was different with Trump people.

00:41:06.380 I mean, they, Hollywood just decided they fuck their, either something, either we don't

00:41:12.680 have enough ownership over this guy or he's too much of a loose cannon, whatever it is,

00:41:16.760 but that not a, excuse me, not a chance or, or, or we, everybody's going to hate this dude.

00:41:23.240 And then everybody works with Hollywood.

00:41:24.780 So they have no choice.

00:41:25.920 Yeah.

00:41:26.240 That's who pays their bills.

00:41:27.920 Yeah.

00:41:28.220 It's also hard to satirize a guy who doesn't give a fuck about what anyone thinks.

00:41:31.580 Right.

00:41:31.960 You know what I mean?

00:41:32.340 It's like, you think he gives a shit?

00:41:33.860 He just likes the attention from it, you know?

00:41:36.060 Right.

00:41:36.520 I think, yeah, that's really interesting too.

00:41:38.180 But I think that turned off a lot of people, even if people like weren't that,

00:41:42.680 that political, it was just like, well, why are you so one-sided?

00:41:46.060 Yeah.

00:41:46.340 Like, what do you, what, what do you have in this?

00:41:48.400 Yeah.

00:41:48.940 And there's, you can, there's real venom in some of those monologues, dude.

00:41:51.800 Oh yeah.

00:41:52.440 You're like, Jesus Christ.

00:41:53.840 This is like mean spirited almost, man.

00:41:55.700 Like, fuck.

00:41:56.800 Oh yeah.

00:41:57.420 I thought that it was, I think it ruined Hollywood for a lot of people.

00:42:00.640 It's like, it made a lot of people think like, well, obviously this is a group that

00:42:04.520 doesn't support me.

00:42:06.200 Yeah.

00:42:06.580 Do you think that your move to Nashville was like a little bit inspired by that stuff?

00:42:10.360 I think, well, I wanted to honestly save money.

00:42:14.020 Yeah.

00:42:14.900 And everybody went to Austin and I'd never wanted to be like everybody else.

00:42:19.880 Yeah.

00:42:20.000 And everybody did it, you know, Joe Rogan moved there and Tim Dillon went there and Tom Segura.

00:42:26.420 And I think I always wanted to be a little bit different.

00:42:29.500 You know, um, I was scared that if I, you know, I don't know.

00:42:34.580 I want to go look at Austin now.

00:42:35.780 I'm going to go check it out for a month and see.

00:42:37.720 Um, and then Nashville, I don't know.

00:42:40.360 I think there's, there's something really nice about it.

00:42:44.420 It's just a lot of nice folks.

00:42:46.180 You've been liking it.

00:42:47.180 Yeah.

00:42:47.580 I think it's nice.

00:42:48.340 I think it, there's a lot of, it, there's just a lot of nice people there.

00:42:53.940 Like I have like the nicest neighbors I've ever had.

00:42:56.960 Yeah.

00:42:57.400 Um, it gives me a little bit of a different idea of what's, uh, of what the America is

00:43:05.280 still like kind of, you know, that's nice.

00:43:07.140 Does it feel Southern to you?

00:43:09.120 Yeah, it does.

00:43:10.000 Sometimes it, I would never was like redneck growing up.

00:43:12.460 Like our family didn't have any money.

00:43:13.800 We were just poor white.

00:43:15.320 Yeah.

00:43:15.580 So we were like, you know, like we didn't have a boat, like a boat or any, you know,

00:43:21.480 we didn't have like a flag that we supported.

00:43:23.660 We didn't have, you know, my father was from Nicaragua.

00:43:26.900 He was 70 years old when I was born.

00:43:28.720 My mother was from Illinois and was making love to a poor old man.

00:43:33.440 Like, you know, who's having sex with a seven year old with no money?

00:43:36.560 Yeah.

00:43:37.920 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:38.780 Like, it's a bad deal.

00:43:39.960 I think no matter who you are.

00:43:42.240 Yeah, no, that's not good.

00:43:43.360 It's like, it just seems like a poor business choice, you know?

00:43:46.720 Oh man, that's a shitty age to have no money.

00:43:48.640 I know.

00:43:49.300 Yeah.

00:43:49.560 And it's just like, anyway, so, so yeah, I think, um, what are some things that I like

00:43:54.240 about it?

00:43:54.680 It's nice for touring too.

00:43:55.920 We can take tour buses right out of there.

00:43:57.760 Yeah.

00:43:58.020 Uh, and it's one of the last Southern cities that still feels kind of like, um, I don't

00:44:05.180 know.

00:44:05.320 It has like a new rebirth.

00:44:06.740 Yeah.

00:44:06.980 Like I've gone to a lot of these cities like, uh, Montgomery, um, Jackson, even there, even

00:44:13.100 Savannah during the daytime, downtown kind of like, uh, Jackson.

00:44:17.940 Yeah.

00:44:18.260 Yeah.

00:44:18.580 Charleston and Jackson.

00:44:19.660 Charleston's popping.

00:44:20.020 Birmingham is pretty good too.

00:44:21.320 Yeah.

00:44:21.560 Birmingham I hear is pretty good.

00:44:22.740 I haven't been really spending time there in the city, but there's a lot of Southern

00:44:25.600 cities, uh, Columbus, Georgia that are just like ghost towns.

00:44:29.700 Yeah.

00:44:30.160 You know, especially Mississippi.

00:44:31.600 Oh, Mississippi is a really a ghost state.

00:44:34.080 Like the North part of it, like the Delta.

00:44:36.140 Yeah.

00:44:36.660 Shelled out towns.

00:44:38.160 It's gotten really bad, man.

00:44:41.120 Um, yeah, Mississippi is just crazy, man.

00:44:43.740 A really bad branding happened.

00:44:45.480 I think with a lot of like, uh, a lot of the South was based on, even a lot of the tourism

00:44:50.700 was based on tradition, like war battlefields and antebellum homes, things like that, that

00:44:56.980 I think white people didn't realize maybe as much at that black, maybe black culture

00:45:04.340 didn't have like, or maybe it angered them.

00:45:07.700 I don't know.

00:45:08.220 I think a lot of that kind of came out during BLM when a lot of like statues were being torn

00:45:12.060 down and like, um, you know, so I think the South also is in a little bit of a space

00:45:16.760 where it's like, well, I don't think I was grasping onto the history there because it

00:45:22.220 was racist.

00:45:23.360 I just thought it was the history, like Robert E. Lee, that was the statue.

00:45:26.800 Like, you know, we would all meet up there at Mardi Gras.

00:45:29.180 I don't think half of us knew what the fuck he did, you know?

00:45:32.280 Um, but I think, so a lot of the tradition there feels like it's been stirred.

00:45:38.520 Yeah.

00:45:39.080 And I think a lot of people down there don't really know what to do in some Southern places

00:45:43.440 right now, you know?

00:45:44.860 I wonder when they're going to start landmarking like a, like hip hop achievements and shit.

00:45:48.440 Like when I was in, I was in Clarksdale and Yazoo city, the Delta and it's, everything

00:45:52.200 is like the, you know, the Delta blues trail.

00:45:54.100 Like here's where lightning Hopkins like grew up.

00:45:56.380 And I'm like, what about Lil Wayne?

00:45:57.880 Yeah.

00:45:58.220 Like at what point are we going to start like marking Lil Wayne's house in Hollygrove and

00:46:01.560 shit?

00:46:01.780 Cause like that stuff really changed the world in a similar way that blues did, you know?

00:46:05.420 If not even a bigger impact, but like.

00:46:08.160 I'm amazed they haven't done that.

00:46:09.500 I think about it all the time.

00:46:10.660 Um, like hip hop heritage trail, it's going to happen.

00:46:13.280 Eventually we're going to be tripping, bro.

00:46:15.140 We're going to be like 90 years old and they're like in the third war, they're going to be

00:46:18.120 like, here stood with the Magnolia projects where Soulja Slim and Master P and Sea Murder

00:46:22.440 came out with their first No Limit Records album.

00:46:25.320 We're going to be like, what the fuck?

00:46:26.900 But it has to happen, right?

00:46:28.520 Well, it almost seems like it's behind schedule, especially since they've gone through so many

00:46:31.960 of those projects and stuff over the years and torn, like had to tear them down or

00:46:35.760 refurbish.

00:46:36.280 Do you think somebody would have said, Hey, let's just take this building and make it

00:46:39.360 make some money for the city, you know?

00:46:41.880 Especially.

00:46:42.320 Yeah.

00:46:42.460 They should have preserved like one of the old Magnolia buildings.

00:46:45.200 Oh yeah.

00:46:45.780 Big boy where juvenile grew up.

00:46:47.900 Yeah.

00:46:48.140 I mean, that's like the backdrop to like the birth of fucking Southern rap music.

00:46:52.020 Dude.

00:46:52.200 I would go there in a heartbeat.

00:46:53.180 Cause it's so funny.

00:46:53.840 Cause I've gone to the ones where like Elvis was born.

00:46:56.420 Yeah.

00:46:56.700 Uh, and you'll see signs like muddy Gussie grew up here.

00:47:00.220 Like people you don't even know anymore.

00:47:01.920 Yeah.

00:47:02.340 But if they had like big boy, like, uh, if they had a lot of different ones along that

00:47:06.840 trail, it's one of those classic things of like, who's really going to campaign on that

00:47:10.700 though.

00:47:11.220 It's like in Seattle, you can't drink in strip clubs.

00:47:14.540 What Congressman is going to be like, I'm going to make this my issue.

00:47:18.060 You know what I mean?

00:47:18.760 Um, but I think these days, I think you make that small pinpoint issue that catapults you

00:47:24.120 from being some Muppet with like, uh, or, you know, just somebody to be in like, all

00:47:29.720 you need is that one.

00:47:31.120 Yeah.

00:47:31.720 And then you're in the game as long as you got to, you got to have some backup plans.

00:47:35.580 Yeah, for sure.

00:47:36.380 But dude, I can't believe that they have strip clubs where you can't drink it.

00:47:39.720 Like this, like I, but the, the, the, the strippers are all on pill.

00:47:45.340 They can fucking do pills, but I can't figure God in white clothes.

00:47:49.340 I thought this was America.

00:47:51.320 Now I feel you, my, my dad works next to a strip club.

00:47:53.800 My dad works at a bar connected to a strip club.

00:47:55.840 Yeah.

00:47:56.340 And so it's always like bar strip club, back to bar, back to strip club.

00:47:59.580 It's like, just tear the wall down.

00:48:01.380 You know what I mean?

00:48:03.700 Oh, dude, we went to a strip club once in, uh, in Virginia.

00:48:06.520 We were touring a couple of months ago and they're like, uh, him, uh, oh, Edgar Allen Poe

00:48:13.360 used to own this.

00:48:14.660 A strip club?

00:48:15.460 Yeah.

00:48:16.200 His, his, like his, I think it's Edgar Allen Poe.

00:48:20.540 Is he from Virginia?

00:48:22.380 No, Edgar Allen Poe's from Baltimore.

00:48:24.460 Okay.

00:48:24.820 Well at one point he lived, I guess in Virginia and he'd like lived there for a while or something.

00:48:28.480 Yeah.

00:48:28.680 Like, oh, he used to live here.

00:48:29.600 It was like a historic building.

00:48:30.680 Yeah.

00:48:30.900 But then part of it was a strip club.

00:48:32.380 It's pretty cool.

00:48:33.000 I didn't even know Edgar Allen Poe got down like that.

00:48:35.100 I think he got down the coast a little bit and went looking for a little bit of puss.

00:48:37.920 Yeah.

00:48:38.140 He had a twisted mind.

00:48:39.640 Oh, he had to, dude.

00:48:40.720 So it must've been a twist at the strip club.

00:48:42.480 Dude, he was like one of the first BLM activists.

00:48:44.320 Look at the fucking, that, the Raven or whatever.

00:48:46.360 Was that about race?

00:48:47.760 It was about Blackbird, bro.

00:48:49.100 Yeah, it was actually a pretty good anti-racist novel.

00:48:52.220 You know what I'm saying?

00:48:52.900 Yeah.

00:48:53.280 When all the, when everybody's writing about Red Robins and you start rocking about the, about the, about the Raven.

00:48:58.320 So was he like, were authors like rappers back then?

00:49:02.900 Like you'd think if he went to the strip club, everyone was like, oh shit, it's Edgar.

00:49:07.380 And he's like making it rain.

00:49:08.860 Or what was the strip club like before that kind of music?

00:49:12.740 Oh, I don't know.

00:49:13.860 Violin.

00:49:15.000 Violin.

00:49:15.540 I just can't envision like, you know.

00:49:17.360 Yeah, just that slow.

00:49:20.060 With no future, like what does the strip club look like?

00:49:22.220 The artist's future.

00:49:23.000 Right, right.

00:49:23.340 Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:49:24.180 I don't know.

00:49:24.820 That's a great question.

00:49:26.980 A hunting where you will go, maybe a hunt.

00:49:29.160 Just like maybe somebody singing stuff like that.

00:49:31.040 Like folksy accordion.

00:49:32.220 Yeah.

00:49:33.180 You ever been to the Claremont Lounge in Atlanta?

00:49:35.220 Yeah.

00:49:35.820 That's a good one.

00:49:36.480 It is a good one.

00:49:37.080 What was Bourdain's favorite spot?

00:49:38.480 Was it really?

00:49:39.180 Yeah.

00:49:39.760 Yeah, they used to have that old, an older lady in there and she'd get those beer cans for you.

00:49:45.500 Yeah.

00:49:45.780 And they're a good place to watch people do coke that shouldn't be doing it.

00:49:49.420 Yeah, for sure.

00:49:50.580 What's weird for me in strip clubs is I only like them if they're like super novelty.

00:49:54.500 You know?

00:49:54.800 Yeah.

00:49:55.120 I like it in like an atmosphere sense.

00:49:57.200 Like Sopranos, Badabing style, just like the lighting and like just degenerate people.

00:50:02.740 I like to watch the people at strip clubs.

00:50:04.860 Yeah, more of a burlesque style or something.

00:50:06.740 No, I mean like I like to watch, I like to look at the dudes who are at, who are watching strippers more than the strippers.

00:50:12.340 Oh, wow.

00:50:12.880 Because it's so interesting.

00:50:14.440 Yeah, there's something about somebody being right there to like, it's almost like a sense of like, I don't know, I guess some people go probably for desperation.

00:50:22.460 Yeah, they have just like this weird like slack jaw and like a permanently half full whiskey neat Jameson glass.

00:50:29.020 And they're just like absolutely mesmerized with like this wet stack of ones because their palm is sweating.

00:50:34.160 You know, the ring in their back pocket, just like nothing in front of them, nothing behind them, just in the moment.

00:50:42.160 You know what I mean?

00:50:42.620 Yeah, there's some feeling right there, huh?

00:50:45.060 Yeah, because they must know that the girls don't actually like them.

00:50:49.180 Yeah, so I guess a lot of it is the myth of it.

00:50:52.200 Maybe it's they want to feel like a rock star, like Nickelback style.

00:50:55.520 Yeah.

00:50:56.080 Like they're at the strip club by themselves.

00:50:58.500 But I mean, imagine going to a strip club by yourself, ordering a Jameson and smoking a cigar like.

00:51:04.260 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 That idyllic like, it's like some Hemingway shit.

00:51:07.420 It's like.

00:51:08.020 Yeah.

00:51:08.880 Yeah, like this is me.

00:51:10.060 I do this.

00:51:10.720 This isn't weird at all.

00:51:11.460 This is cool.

00:51:12.620 This is what rock stars do.

00:51:14.220 Yeah.

00:51:14.880 But then the women are all pilled up.

00:51:16.940 It's not even this like exchange of emotion anymore.

00:51:19.700 It's just two people sharing each other, hoping one of them has a has a perk on them, you know?

00:51:23.580 Yeah.

00:51:24.180 That's what I feel like.

00:51:25.120 It's almost like playing perk chess with their eyes.

00:51:27.680 Yeah.

00:51:27.940 I've never heard even taking a prescription pill before.

00:51:30.580 You know, just playing just with that two 120 milligram stare.

00:51:34.440 How does that make you feel?

00:51:35.400 I don't know.

00:51:37.000 I took two somas one time and actually drove off a road on accident.

00:51:40.020 And my buddy, I think, RIP, tried to give me a BJ or something.

00:51:44.460 I don't even remember fully.

00:51:46.300 But I wouldn't take them.

00:51:48.560 Yeah.

00:51:48.840 You know what I'm saying?

00:51:49.420 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:50.300 I just have friends who take them.

00:51:51.480 I've had a friend take them.

00:51:52.760 I looked at them.

00:51:53.180 I'm like, how are you feeling right now?

00:51:54.500 It's crazy.

00:51:54.920 I think it disconnects you from any senses that you have anything wrong.

00:52:00.740 Yeah.

00:52:01.520 There's nothing wrong, man.

00:52:03.540 That's not a good thing.

00:52:04.720 No, you're made out of marshmallows and fucking homemade pussy, dude.

00:52:08.400 I think you have everything that's perfect, you know?

00:52:11.180 I wanted to ask you.

00:52:12.300 So what happened to the King and the Sting podcast?

00:52:14.220 It's no longer?

00:52:15.180 Oh, the King and the Sting podcast.

00:52:17.560 Yeah.

00:52:17.940 The podcast is still going.

00:52:19.660 I'm just not doing it.

00:52:21.280 You and Brandon are cool, though, yeah?

00:52:22.200 Yeah, we just, honestly, man, I missed, I couldn't, I didn't have enough attention really

00:52:28.660 to focus.

00:52:29.840 Yeah.

00:52:30.120 Like, I like my own podcast, and we have a unique kind of audience, I think.

00:52:35.320 Yeah.

00:52:35.720 And I think I wanted to be able to, I feel a lot more in touch with this now.

00:52:39.960 Yeah.

00:52:40.260 Like, it's important to me.

00:52:41.420 Yeah.

00:52:41.800 And it was still important, but it was just a lot to try and juggle.

00:52:44.740 Yeah.

00:52:45.340 I liked the Gringo Poppy, actually.

00:52:47.580 Yeah?

00:52:48.040 Yeah.

00:52:48.500 Yeah.

00:52:48.760 Oh, I think, people give Brennan so much flack, and I think that's one of the reasons

00:52:55.100 I admire him in some ways.

00:52:56.920 Yeah.

00:52:57.160 Is how you could withstand so much disdain from people, you know, or fake disdain.

00:53:03.180 Yeah.

00:53:03.620 It's pretty psychotic.

00:53:05.280 It's crazy, isn't it?

00:53:06.180 Yeah.

00:53:06.480 It goes back to the people you were talking about.

00:53:08.360 Yeah.

00:53:08.820 No, for sure.

00:53:09.680 It's kind of why I stopped, like, I still have Instagram and stuff, I just don't go on

00:53:12.600 it.

00:53:12.800 But, because, like, when you run that, when you're, like, a major public figure or whatever,

00:53:18.360 a big media figure, like, if someone comments on your shit, you're amazing.

00:53:23.180 At its best, that's an ego boost.

00:53:25.060 Unhealthy ego boost.

00:53:26.080 Yeah.

00:53:26.160 And if someone says, you suck, then that's an anxiety spike.

00:53:29.340 So, it's like, there's no, once you've kind of passed that threshold of, like, validation

00:53:33.220 from the public, it's nothing but bad for your mind.

00:53:36.320 Because this little box in your pocket, it's like, oh, you're the shit, man.

00:53:39.380 You're the best journalist.

00:53:40.800 I'm walking around by myself getting endorphins from that, which is not natural.

00:53:44.880 It should be, like, you know, touching trees, playing tennis with my mom.

00:53:48.660 But instead, it's like, and then if someone, then if that box is like, fuck you, man.

00:53:52.700 You're a libtard.

00:53:53.680 You're a sellout or something.

00:53:55.380 I'm like, oh, man.

00:53:56.780 I feel bad about myself.

00:53:59.000 So, there's no healthy, like, middle ground, I don't think, for me, at least.

00:54:02.280 I'm too sensitive.

00:54:03.840 Man, I'm too sensitive to it, too.

00:54:05.460 And I still let it affect, you know, I let it affect me a lot of times.

00:54:08.360 Or I notice, like you're saying, to have some wherewithal that I go there for certain things.

00:54:15.160 Did you just kind of pick that up?

00:54:16.780 Or did you always know it?

00:54:18.340 Or did you kind of, like, did you notice that happening?

00:54:22.480 You're like, yeah, this isn't good.

00:54:23.300 I stopped going on Instagram one month ago.

00:54:25.180 Wow.

00:54:25.600 Because I was just like, damn, dude.

00:54:26.780 Like, every day I wake up, it's the first thing I check.

00:54:29.580 I say, what are people saying about me today?

00:54:31.680 Yeah, am I still okay?

00:54:32.660 Oh, yeah.

00:54:33.000 Or, like, am I still okay?

00:54:34.160 Do my fans still fuck with me?

00:54:35.460 Like, do they like the video I just dropped?

00:54:37.800 You know what I mean?

00:54:38.600 Like.

00:54:39.000 Right, did something come out in the middle of the night of me picking my nose or something?

00:54:41.660 Yeah.

00:54:41.840 And now I can't go anywhere.

00:54:42.940 Or just, like, you know, like, how are my stats doing?

00:54:46.220 Or, but even more specifically, like, it started actually when I, right when I dropped the Alex Jones interview.

00:54:51.020 And everyone was like, why would you platform?

00:54:52.260 Why would you platform?

00:54:52.900 And then people, other people were like, you're a fucking G for giving this guy a voice.

00:54:55.800 And I was just like, I can't deal with this.

00:54:57.180 I just want to, like, make cool stuff.

00:54:59.440 I still check YouTube comments and stuff like that.

00:55:02.000 But I'm not trying to, like, be constantly engaged in my own feedback loop.

00:55:06.320 It's so unhealthy, dude.

00:55:07.560 Yeah, it's scary.

00:55:08.160 It puts you at the center of the universe, even if you're, no matter what level you're at.

00:55:12.300 You could be a small level, dude.

00:55:13.660 But if every day you're engaging with people who love or hate you, and I don't have much hate.

00:55:17.800 I have a lot of love.

00:55:18.600 But that makes hate stick out so much more.

00:55:21.840 You know, it's like, I can see, like, a thousand positive comments.

00:55:24.680 And then if I see one negative comment, like, those words are, like, etched into my brain, like, the whole next two days.

00:55:30.880 So true.

00:55:31.460 I just can't turn it off.

00:55:32.520 I'm like, damn, did I fuck up this interview?

00:55:34.880 Like, am I falling off?

00:55:37.060 Yeah.

00:55:37.340 You know what I mean?

00:55:37.780 Like, and I just had to stop, dude.

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00:59:12.940 Yeah, no, I think it's interesting.

00:59:14.440 I think it's brave to give, to have guys on that are different, you know?

00:59:17.620 Like, we get pitch guys sometimes or girls, and I'm like, I don't know.

00:59:21.680 But then that's the part where I need to lean in and say, yes, I want to talk because I want to be able to share some of my truth and hear something different, you know?

00:59:32.620 Yeah.

00:59:32.880 I think you do a great job of being in that space.

00:59:36.880 Do you feel like you ever go to a place just to pick on a group?

00:59:40.700 Never.

00:59:41.460 Not anymore.

00:59:42.280 I mean, like, I think when I first started, there was a lot of low-hanging fruit.

00:59:46.780 But I developed a respect for interview subjects pretty quickly.

00:59:51.600 I mean, there's some groups that it's clear from, you know, how I'm talking to them that I'm trying to sort of poke holes in what they're saying.

00:59:58.720 But no, I don't go try to pick on people.

01:00:01.320 You know, if anything, I try to understand people.

01:00:03.500 Yeah.

01:00:03.740 You know, because picking on people is really easy.

01:00:05.920 Like, anything that society sees as weird, like furries or flat earthers, it's very easy to show up, point fingers, make fun of them, ask them weird questions.

01:00:14.720 But when you ask the why or how did you end up like this is when it gets really interesting because you get to just follow that why infinitely until you get to the core of what drove them to the fringe.

01:00:25.680 And that's the shit that fascinates me because it's always the same.

01:00:29.680 What is it?

01:00:30.680 Just community.

01:00:32.260 Loneliness, isolation, being ostracized by the traditional group that they were around, online echo chambers, loneliness, personal failure, personal aspirations.

01:00:42.740 Common themes like old school shit.

01:00:46.140 Yeah, those are tropes that have been around forever, huh?

01:00:48.200 Yeah, that's what it comes back to.

01:00:49.640 What does tropes mean?

01:00:50.440 Does that make any sense?

01:00:51.580 It does make sense.

01:00:52.960 All right, I'll take it.

01:00:53.520 Oh, it also comes back to the Jews a lot.

01:00:55.440 Really?

01:00:56.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.580 Because they started it?

01:00:57.500 No, like, hella people don't like Jews.

01:00:59.760 Oh, yeah, Kanye was talking about that.

01:01:02.340 Do you think that many people don't like Jews?

01:01:05.480 I think it's, I mean, I think it's, because what did Kanye, they were getting on Kanye.

01:01:11.560 I mean, he's been saying some horrible shit.

01:01:13.340 Yeah.

01:01:13.680 You know, that Kanye shit is sad.

01:01:15.620 But do you think people should just be, but should he be shut down from saying stuff or he can just say, I guess people can just say whatever they want.

01:01:22.400 If he says, I'm about to go death con three on the Jews, and he's telling his audience that, like, Hollywood and music is totally controlled by Jews.

01:01:32.480 Like, it is true that there is, like, highly influential Jewish people in Hollywood, but it's controlled by money people, bro, capitalists of all shapes and sizes.

01:01:40.600 And they're not loyal to each other.

01:01:42.860 Do you think that money people aren't loyal to each other?

01:01:46.960 I mean, in a sense of collaboration, but shit, they're all trying to race to the top.

01:01:51.340 That's how it's working.

01:01:52.320 And the idea that there's some sort of cohesion there, it's not really true.

01:01:56.180 I mean, there is collaboration.

01:01:58.380 But, like, what Kanye is talking about is being exploited by, you know, predatory recording.

01:02:05.380 I mean, record companies and shit like that and labels.

01:02:08.600 That's a real thing.

01:02:09.600 The media invading his life.

01:02:11.800 You know, TMZ showing up to his house at 3 o'clock in the morning and asking him about his mental health.

01:02:15.580 Like, every element of his private life being publicized by media outlets.

01:02:19.340 That's a real thing.

01:02:20.720 And so it's like, he's so close to talking about that.

01:02:22.680 But then there's obviously someone in his ear being like, it's all about the Jews.

01:02:27.120 And he's like, and then my Jewish personal trainer, it's sad.

01:02:30.640 A lot of people don't even know that they're being anti-Semitic.

01:02:33.500 And I also think the phrase anti-Semitic, it's so overused.

01:02:36.600 Yeah, people say it's tough because you can't even, sometimes it feels like you can't even say the word Jew or Jewish.

01:02:41.860 And you're suddenly like, this person's anti-Semitic.

01:02:43.720 It's like, well, you could say black or white or Christian or, you know, Muslims or Slims.

01:02:49.760 Some people call them.

01:02:50.740 Yeah.

01:02:51.720 But.

01:02:52.560 I'm just saying conspiracy thought.

01:02:54.320 The idea that like every anomaly and everything that goes a little bit weird is not a result of human error.

01:02:59.960 It's a calculated deep state plot.

01:03:02.280 That every sort of loophole, there's loopholes and everyone's reporting and everything has, everything goes wrong.

01:03:08.820 People think the CIA is doing all this crazy shit.

01:03:11.140 They tried to kill Castro in Cuba like 45 times.

01:03:14.000 The CIA can't pull off anything correctly.

01:03:16.260 Our government can't do anything right.

01:03:17.840 Yeah.

01:03:17.980 It's about people think they're capable of these massive like mind control conspiracies.

01:03:22.120 I was like, then why do the roads look like that?

01:03:25.040 Yeah.

01:03:25.480 I just don't get how people think that this all powerful deep state can manipulate and control the entire planet.

01:03:32.260 Yeah, that's true.

01:03:33.180 If you can't even get me from like St. George to El Paso.

01:03:36.680 Yeah.

01:03:37.080 Then how are you going to get me from like the aliens to, you know, to the octagon?

01:03:43.520 Right.

01:03:44.020 People are bad at secrets too, man.

01:03:45.980 Yeah, people are bad at secrets.

01:03:47.160 That's a good point.

01:03:47.940 I always think that a lot about secrets.

01:03:49.420 It's like why, if somebody knew something on their deathbed, why are they going to hold on to it, especially anymore?

01:03:55.580 I could see 50 years ago when there was this more like loyalism to America too, like we are this thing, like people I felt like had bought into, like we are this text, this thread, this woven blanket.

01:04:09.040 But now it seems like we are the, like that's, that's disappearing.

01:04:14.960 Yeah.

01:04:15.560 Like if they told Trump about the aliens.

01:04:18.140 He would tell in a half hour.

01:04:18.980 He would fucking tell us.

01:04:20.320 Yeah.

01:04:20.680 He'd be like, I will not be, you know, a puppet of the CIA.

01:04:24.400 Yeah.

01:04:25.200 There's a spacecraft below the White House.

01:04:28.220 It's been there for 30 years.

01:04:29.700 It's not what he sounds like.

01:04:30.820 Right.

01:04:30.980 That's how he would say it.

01:04:31.920 Yeah.

01:04:32.540 It is.

01:04:32.980 Yeah, totally true.

01:04:34.220 But, and that's why I don't think they could get all these pilots and people that have died over the years that I don't think they could get any of those people to keep a secret anymore.

01:04:41.500 Do you think?

01:04:42.340 No.

01:04:43.200 Somebody would make a TikTok in a half hour before their death.

01:04:46.100 Like my dad just told me this.

01:04:47.560 Yeah.

01:04:47.800 It would be the kids of these Area 51 people.

01:04:50.860 Yeah.

01:04:50.960 They're like, so my dad just dropped the bomb on me.

01:04:52.660 Like all that shit.

01:04:54.540 Area 51 is so sick, dude.

01:04:56.440 Yeah.

01:04:56.700 Have you been over there?

01:04:57.340 I tried to go.

01:04:58.040 I went to the raid of Area 51 in 2019.

01:05:00.180 One of my first things.

01:05:00.700 I think I remember that.

01:05:02.140 And it was a letdown, huh?

01:05:03.120 The only guy who got arrested was this like recently divorced father of three who was sleeping in the back of his Subaru next to our RV.

01:05:11.340 And he was like, they're fucking in there and I'm going.

01:05:14.080 And he tried to storm it by himself and he got like, you know, machine guns in his face.

01:05:19.140 Wow.

01:05:19.780 Yeah.

01:05:19.980 Dang.

01:05:21.620 Do you think, did you get the feeling when you were there that they're holding something?

01:05:24.480 No, I think they're just, you know, experimenting with drones.

01:05:27.920 Why would it be Area 51?

01:05:30.000 Like there's merch along the whole highway saying there's aliens there.

01:05:33.480 Yeah.

01:05:33.700 They would have moved them by now to a different black box site.

01:05:36.780 Do you feel like we've had a lot of encounters and do you feel like we've had few?

01:05:42.780 A lot, dude.

01:05:44.440 Totally.

01:05:46.080 Do you feel like that there are alien figures amongst us that they have that kind of technology to put people amongst us that are actually beings from other planets or worlds?

01:05:57.360 Yeah.

01:05:57.620 I mean, like you ever looked into like the eyes of like a, like a Nordic dude, like a six foot seven, like a Viking looking person.

01:06:07.000 Cold blue eyes.

01:06:07.640 Maybe six, four, maybe.

01:06:10.080 That's evidence right there.

01:06:15.160 Yeah.

01:06:15.600 I got to look deeper next time.

01:06:16.740 I think I didn't, I guess I didn't look that deep.

01:06:18.340 The joke there is pretty much all alien conspiracy theorists, such as Bob Brown in Nevada, think that people from Norway are aliens.

01:06:24.480 Oh, really?

01:06:25.000 Or that they possess some sort of reptilian or old school Lumerian DNA.

01:06:31.680 Wow.

01:06:31.920 Which gives them that sort of look.

01:06:34.680 That iridescent.

01:06:35.300 And also the architectural capability.

01:06:39.320 Ikea.

01:06:40.560 Yeah.

01:06:41.080 You want to follow the, uh, the directions or whatever.

01:06:44.900 Yeah.

01:06:45.480 You know?

01:06:46.280 Yeah.

01:06:47.200 Damn.

01:06:47.600 Well, I think sometimes that aliens come here.

01:06:50.360 I think we are like aliens advanced far past us, right?

01:06:53.780 Like, even if you see us now, we're becoming like meeker figures.

01:06:57.840 We only use our brains.

01:06:58.780 You see an alien.

01:06:59.600 It's like, just the brain looks active.

01:07:01.520 The body just looks like this dormant sort of like non-genital, no tits even anymore.

01:07:06.900 Never.

01:07:07.120 Just like the body seems very, like, you don't notice it.

01:07:10.780 It's just that kind of like diamond oval head with the big eyes.

01:07:15.040 So there's a lot of brain activity, thinking.

01:07:17.300 Yeah.

01:07:18.060 That's what I feel like.

01:07:19.820 So aliens, they've moved off here a long time ago.

01:07:22.000 I think they come by every now and then to see, like, the planet.

01:07:24.400 Like, it's almost like if your parents took you to, like, some shitty water park.

01:07:28.200 It's like a poor, poor alien families.

01:07:30.260 No offense.

01:07:31.080 Yeah.

01:07:31.360 But if an alien family's real poor, then they'll, like, or they didn't get tickets to, like, the cool planet to go see.

01:07:37.560 Yeah.

01:07:38.040 Then they stop there.

01:07:38.960 The kids are like, what the fuck?

01:07:40.100 We're over here.

01:07:40.740 Yeah.

01:07:40.920 Like, this place is weird as shit.

01:07:42.180 Yeah.

01:07:42.380 This place sucks, guys.

01:07:43.420 You see the Capitol riot and, like, Will Smith punching Chris Rockwell.

01:07:46.240 Yeah.

01:07:46.560 These people are fucking morons.

01:07:47.540 Let's get up out of here.

01:07:48.360 Yes.

01:07:48.880 That's what I think happens all the time.

01:07:50.220 Some shitty dad tries to bring his kids here and his wife here to save their fucking family or to do.

01:07:54.760 Yeah.

01:07:55.000 And he didn't plan ahead.

01:07:56.400 And the kids, like, to get the fuck out of here.

01:07:58.200 They land at Talladega Race Weekend.

01:08:00.260 They're like, what the fuck?

01:08:02.800 No, but I would think the aliens would actually be on a smaller level, like, on microbial small level.

01:08:07.080 So they can, you know, kind of look at us like they could be, like, cell-sized, you know, condensed.

01:08:12.300 Because they don't want to be identified.

01:08:14.080 Everyone assumes they're these, like, gargantuan, Cthulhu-looking District 9 creatures who are going to come down and, like, scare the shit out of us.

01:08:22.560 But why they always look like shrimp in the movies, you know, like giant lobsters.

01:08:25.980 Yeah.

01:08:26.300 I think they're really, like, floating through the air, like little dust particles being like, hey.

01:08:31.460 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:32.240 Dude, that's more of a vibe, too.

01:08:33.620 And a dust particle, when you watch them, how they move, they move like alien vessels a lot of times.

01:08:38.840 They move with purpose.

01:08:40.140 Yeah.

01:08:40.500 That purposeful dust, homie.

01:08:42.900 For real.

01:08:43.600 Damn.

01:08:44.440 That's almost what we are as humans.

01:08:46.340 Uh-huh.

01:08:47.060 We're fucking, we think we're purposeful dust.

01:08:49.620 That's a fact.

01:08:50.960 Damn, bro.

01:08:54.200 When you went, when you go into some places, do you ever have, do you have a lot of fear?

01:08:57.300 Obviously, you know, I understand now from, like, you're growing up and stuff like that and some of your energy.

01:09:01.280 Like, I remember from my dad, my dad would sell, do, like, credit card signups at colleges and stuff when I was a kid.

01:09:08.640 And so we'd roll over there and, like, we'd get all this shit out.

01:09:12.960 And, like, you know, he's 78 years old.

01:09:14.920 He's signing people up.

01:09:15.760 And I would get up on the table and bark at college kids going by to get them to come and sign up.

01:09:19.780 And they'd get, like, a free hat or something.

01:09:21.620 That's fun.

01:09:22.100 That says, like, Chase Bank.

01:09:23.620 You know, something just, like, frisbee.

01:09:26.140 Now it would be cool.

01:09:27.060 Back then it was horrible.

01:09:28.260 For sure.

01:09:28.540 But now it would be a fire hat.

01:09:30.840 And so I could see where you being in your environments growing up and, like, having, like, interaction with people.

01:09:37.600 Yeah.

01:09:37.920 Where it makes you fit into your world now real comfortably.

01:09:40.880 Are there places you've got in that make you, have made you kind of fearful or scared?

01:09:44.840 Honestly, not really.

01:09:45.860 Because, like, with the camera rolling, people aren't really going to test you.

01:09:49.260 I think that, like, the most nervous I've ever been was, like, I was trying to do SEC games for a while.

01:09:56.120 So, like, I was at the Roll Tide.

01:09:57.720 I was at the Auburn Roll Tide game in Tuscaloosa.

01:10:00.840 It's a big one.

01:10:01.000 So, home game for Alabama.

01:10:03.780 Alabama lost the home game.

01:10:05.520 Wow.

01:10:05.960 And so, like, people were fighting in the streets.

01:10:08.180 Like, you know how it goes.

01:10:09.500 Oh, yeah.

01:10:10.420 College football in the South is a real serious thing.

01:10:13.200 I'm watching 50, 60-year-old dudes who, you know, were in frats 40 years ago rumble out old beefs in front of the Waffle House in Tuscaloosa.

01:10:21.880 I'm like, man, this is tough.

01:10:23.640 And when people were fighting right in front of you, my first thought is I want to interview them while they're fighting.

01:10:27.960 You know, so I want to be like, hey, what's going on?

01:10:29.440 How'd this start?

01:10:30.380 And then they would, you know what I mean?

01:10:31.840 So, I mean, we had a couple situations in Tuscaloosa where people would try to take our cameras and be like, who the fuck are you guys?

01:10:38.780 And we're like, YouTubers are like, get the fuck out of our party.

01:10:41.680 They, you know, also, they're very comfortable with violence at Southern schools.

01:10:44.960 Yeah.

01:10:45.360 There's not really consequences for, like, big brawls at schools in the South, in fraternity environments like there would be on a regular street anywhere else.

01:10:55.340 Yeah.

01:10:55.520 I think Southern culture, it's more like, especially in the South, you're looking at more like fight outs out of the bar.

01:11:01.700 Yeah.

01:11:01.860 It's like Australians.

01:11:02.840 Yeah.

01:11:03.140 You know, it's just like, yeah, they settle the score after.

01:11:06.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.180 It's like a bunch of baked bean Australians kind of.

01:11:08.020 Literally.

01:11:08.660 And no one's called the cops, really.

01:11:09.960 They kind of let things happen.

01:11:11.280 Right.

01:11:12.280 So, like, you know, that's the only place.

01:11:15.140 Frats is probably the worst place for me to film.

01:11:17.640 Dude, it's funny when I remember growing up.

01:11:19.360 Yeah, frats is a weird energy because it's also like, but then if they like you and they know who you are, then it is a different, the energy can be different.

01:11:27.720 Unless you test that one dude who doesn't know.

01:11:29.960 Yeah.

01:11:31.180 That sometimes can be weird.

01:11:32.640 This was like when we were pretty, like, lesser known.

01:11:36.260 So, it was a lot scarier.

01:11:37.340 Yeah.

01:11:37.560 Probably now if I were to, like, message some frat in advance and be like, I'm coming back to Ole Miss.

01:11:42.680 They'd be stoked.

01:11:43.160 They'd be like, oh, we're going to show you the best party ever.

01:11:45.160 Yeah.

01:11:47.080 What about, I saw you that you went into O Block.

01:11:49.020 You went into, like, Chicago and they have, like, a lot of, like, is that one of the areas where they have a lot of crime, where they've had a lot of violence?

01:11:55.700 Yeah.

01:11:56.200 Wow.

01:11:56.540 I wasn't scared there or anything because, like, you know, they just took good care of us.

01:12:00.680 Also, nobody wants to be perceived that way in media.

01:12:02.520 So, they're going to go above and beyond to make sure that everyone knows that, like, when I got to O Block,

01:12:06.460 everyone knew that I was coming and they were just like, hey, good to meet you.

01:12:10.100 We checked your stuff out.

01:12:11.980 Welcome.

01:12:12.900 Yeah.

01:12:13.860 That's interesting.

01:12:15.380 Yeah.

01:12:15.620 There you go right there, dude.

01:12:16.720 That's fire.

01:12:17.920 Yeah.

01:12:18.180 I would say, when they say The Hood or whatever, is probably the least scary place to film.

01:12:24.020 Wow.

01:12:24.620 You know, because your intention is clear.

01:12:26.660 You know, you're a white guy with a camera crew.

01:12:28.440 It's like, everyone knows what that is.

01:12:30.860 Nothing is going to happen to you.

01:12:32.480 That's a good point.

01:12:33.940 That's interesting.

01:12:34.380 Where there's more commonality, there's more potential for violence as a journalist.

01:12:40.020 You know what I mean?

01:12:40.920 It's the classic thing of, like, Louis Thoreau from England.

01:12:43.820 Yeah.

01:12:44.180 When he did his Weird Weekend series.

01:12:45.720 Him being British as an outsider, I think, gave him a pass to kind of come in and be more confrontational.

01:12:51.220 Whereas, like, I'm more likely to be in a violent situation with someone who is a similar, looks like me,

01:12:57.040 and is in a similar age range to me.

01:12:59.100 Because they kind of feel like, oh, it's more like buddy-buddy, like bro-ed out.

01:13:02.620 I even see it with fans.

01:13:03.920 Like, any frat-age white fan will come up and just bear-hug the shit out of me.

01:13:08.600 You know, it's just less of a barrier.

01:13:10.820 Whereas, like, anyone older or younger will be a little bit more cautious.

01:13:13.700 Or in a different socioeconomic place.

01:13:16.500 That's interesting.

01:13:17.240 Yeah, it's interesting how some fans interact or some supporters of you will interact.

01:13:21.040 Yeah.

01:13:21.400 Like, the other day at the airport, a guy was just yelling at me.

01:13:24.060 Like, Tio, Tio.

01:13:25.260 But it was like we knew each other, but we didn't know each other.

01:13:28.500 But it was like, and he kept looking at me like I should have acted a certain way,

01:13:32.700 but I didn't really know how to, like.

01:13:34.180 Yeah.

01:13:34.800 It's interesting how different people's perceptions of running across somebody that they've seen before.

01:13:39.200 Yeah, I think for you too, because you podcast, like, people, it's more parasocial.

01:13:42.940 Because they feel like they've spent so much time with you.

01:13:44.760 Oh, yeah.

01:13:45.420 Because they get off work, they're driving home, whatever, they're listening to you.

01:13:48.840 Like, you're pretty much there in the car with them.

01:13:50.420 They're laughing along with you.

01:13:51.760 Yeah.

01:13:52.020 Or they're laughing along with us, like, right now, you know.

01:13:54.740 Yeah, if somebody says, I listen to the podcast, I immediately go into a different place with them as well.

01:13:59.100 As opposed to someone saying, I saw your stand-up special.

01:14:01.500 Or somebody just saying, hey, man, I saw you on TikTok, or I saw you on this or that.

01:14:05.820 Because TikTok, you know, people have cut up, I think we're almost at like a billion interact views on TikTok, right?

01:14:13.700 For the.

01:14:14.440 For just my name hashtag, right?

01:14:16.000 Oh, cool.

01:14:16.280 So, kind of cool.

01:14:18.200 But also, like, I didn't create probably most of those, 90% of that.

01:14:24.320 Yeah.

01:14:24.880 Other people made stuff and put it out there.

01:14:27.500 Yeah.

01:14:28.020 So, it's kind of weird.

01:14:29.120 So, it's like you get put out there in a way you don't even want to be maybe put out there.

01:14:32.640 Yeah.

01:14:33.100 Like, it's still your stuff they're cutting up.

01:14:35.080 Yeah.

01:14:35.540 But it's just kind of interesting.

01:14:36.900 It's like they can kind of shape whatever, you know?

01:14:40.140 And then people can see you more maybe than you wanted to be seen.

01:14:44.020 I don't know.

01:14:44.820 Yeah.

01:14:45.100 And you give people a lot of yourself, you know?

01:14:46.820 It's interesting.

01:14:47.520 You have to, though.

01:14:48.180 I feel like the comedian lane's a bit different.

01:14:50.620 And I remember when I first came out to LA, like, I went on your podcast.

01:14:53.380 And I went on some other comedian's podcast.

01:14:55.460 And I was like, damn, your guy's job is hard.

01:14:57.820 Shout out to you guys.

01:14:58.500 Like, I don't know how you come up with all this shit all the time.

01:15:02.060 Really?

01:15:02.340 You just have to have this, like, verbose gift of gab to just spice up.

01:15:06.540 Because I'm sure, like, for example, you probably have told a lot of the same stories.

01:15:09.360 Oh, yeah.

01:15:10.200 But you have to come with that sort of original energy.

01:15:13.160 It was like when you asked me about, like, the hitchhiking story.

01:15:15.280 Like, I would have told it, like, funnier if I hadn't already said it, like, 20 times.

01:15:19.560 Yeah.

01:15:19.760 But I feel like you guys have to have this almost, like, a respawning ability that is just, like, superhuman.

01:15:26.940 Yeah, I think doing it with people helps more.

01:15:29.680 Yeah.

01:15:29.900 You know?

01:15:30.260 That's why even, like, right when you walked in, I really felt like I lit up on the inside because I was like, oh, man, I get to talk with someone today.

01:15:36.540 And so that's – it is more – it's nicer sometimes than just talking by myself.

01:15:42.240 You know, I find a lot of people, like, will send in calls to podcasts.

01:15:45.980 Like, there's a lot of guys out there struggling these days.

01:15:47.940 Yeah.

01:15:48.060 A lot of people are.

01:15:49.360 We're trying to figure out what – you know, it's a weird time to be human.

01:15:53.360 Do you think that?

01:15:54.260 Yeah, definitely.

01:15:55.800 What do you mean by that, though?

01:15:56.680 I feel like as we're switching more into, like, putting more of our feelings and everything and our intentions and everything, we're so reliant on media.

01:16:06.420 Yeah.

01:16:06.680 And just human interaction has kind of taken a back seat.

01:16:11.440 Yeah.

01:16:12.180 But it also hasn't.

01:16:13.660 So it's this weird, like, this weird thing because we're almost more interactive than ever.

01:16:21.600 Yeah.

01:16:21.860 But it's not very real.

01:16:24.640 It is, but it's like we're almost transitioning.

01:16:27.540 Yeah.

01:16:27.820 It kind of sucks.

01:16:29.680 That's why I've tapped out from it.

01:16:31.160 I'm trying to reverse engineer my own life.

01:16:33.200 Like, I have, like – because I had to use Instagram in these platforms.

01:16:36.160 I'm sure you did, too, to get to where I am now.

01:16:38.320 Yeah.

01:16:38.620 But I've crossed this threshold where it's like I don't need it anymore.

01:16:42.360 You know what I mean?

01:16:42.880 Like, you probably barely do either, too.

01:16:45.320 I mean, people are going to watch your podcast and they're going to watch your specials regardless of if you have to post stories or whatever.

01:16:51.820 I mean, I'm sure it helps, but it's like once you're past that point, I'm not going to hate on social media or anything.

01:16:56.140 Like, that's –

01:16:57.200 Yeah.

01:16:57.440 It's hard to life.

01:16:57.920 It can count me to where I'm at, you know?

01:16:59.520 But, like, I'm going to tap out from it, like, because my human interactions have been low, especially in the past two years.

01:17:06.560 Yeah.

01:17:06.900 Like, dude, it's like my real friends, like, I don't know.

01:17:10.560 I need more real friends.

01:17:12.780 Not just, like, cool online friends, but, like, real homies.

01:17:16.460 Yeah, no, I feel you, man.

01:17:17.400 And it gets addictive, though, too.

01:17:18.480 That's another thing about it.

01:17:19.720 Like, I almost wondered why did they let us have phones because they're so addictive.

01:17:23.960 It's like, is it safe?

01:17:25.300 It's almost like a cigarette.

01:17:26.520 It's like –

01:17:26.940 Yeah.

01:17:27.380 At a certain point where we realize this has ruined us.

01:17:31.240 Totally.

01:17:31.640 And Instagram is low-key, like, kind of pornographic, too.

01:17:34.900 You know what I mean?

01:17:35.380 Like a social – like a adrenaline porn or something?

01:17:39.300 No, like it literally is.

01:17:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:41.440 I see them tits on there sometimes.

01:17:42.780 No, like a lot of my friends, like, I look at their feeds, and it's just, like, attractive women, attractive men.

01:17:47.920 Just, like, constantly.

01:17:49.300 And I'm like, damn, that must be kind of weird for you.

01:17:52.040 That's all your influence is.

01:17:53.060 Like, you're, like, going on your phone and just, like, scrolling through, like, people you think are, like, super bomb all the time.

01:17:57.860 Oh, yeah.

01:17:58.480 Kind of rots your brain a little bit.

01:17:59.740 Like, you know, you're going through your day, and you're like, they look amazing.

01:18:03.180 They look amazing.

01:18:03.760 They look amazing.

01:18:04.240 Oh, that's the homie.

01:18:04.880 I'm missing out.

01:18:05.380 I'm missing out.

01:18:05.920 This person looks good.

01:18:06.760 I'm like, dude, that sucks.

01:18:08.700 Yeah, because the second you go back to your regular world, when you take that away from your eyes, and you look at your regular world, your regular world doesn't stand a chance.

01:18:15.060 Right.

01:18:15.820 Really.

01:18:16.360 And it's designed like that.

01:18:17.500 Right.

01:18:17.820 You know.

01:18:18.260 Right.

01:18:18.540 That's the part I think people don't realize, man.

01:18:20.400 We don't realize that there are these shape-shifting goons, Jews, you know what I'm talking about, in the distance who are, you know, but that's, we don't realize that a lot of that has been, you know, it's been.

01:18:36.780 And, I mean, they have got us down to an algorithm.

01:18:39.640 Jordan Peterson talks about that.

01:18:40.720 It's like, we can't, the algorithm is so strong.

01:18:43.740 If you want to still own yourself, you have to almost come to, you have to come to your own rescue, man.

01:18:49.920 Yeah, you do.

01:18:51.000 And there's an algorithm for everything.

01:18:52.940 People don't realize when they're in it.

01:18:54.100 Like, even Jordan Peterson talking about that.

01:18:55.740 He's also got an algorithm.

01:18:56.840 Yeah.

01:18:57.320 You know what I mean?

01:18:57.740 And once you, if you watch one Jordan Peterson video, you're going to, you're going to see him every day.

01:19:02.100 And the same goes for a.

01:19:02.960 Jordan Peterson cookbook.

01:19:04.160 Lobster.

01:19:04.620 Lobster.

01:19:05.080 Lobster.

01:19:05.340 For an experiment, you know, the mob boss, Michael Franzese.

01:19:07.820 Yes.

01:19:08.260 I watched one Vlad TV interview with Michael Franzese.

01:19:10.800 And I'm like, let me watch four of these.

01:19:12.520 Dude, my phone was like a mafia phone for like a week.

01:19:15.700 Every time I go on there, it's like Sammy the Bull describes his first hit.

01:19:19.240 You know what I mean?

01:19:20.460 And it's just like best soprano scenes.

01:19:22.740 You know, good fellas intro.

01:19:24.300 And I'm, dude, I'm watching this shit all day.

01:19:26.200 You know, I'm like La Cosa Nostra over here on my phone for a fucking week.

01:19:29.560 And, you know, I start talking like these dudes.

01:19:32.800 You know what I mean?

01:19:33.440 And I start, no, I start talking to my homies about the mafia.

01:19:36.480 My guy Evan's like, dude, stop talking about the mob.

01:19:38.980 I'm like, you know, I'm like, no, but it's crazy.

01:19:41.260 The code of silence is crazy.

01:19:42.460 It's really blood in, blood out, you know, but not all Sicilians are bad.

01:19:46.200 You know, Evan's like, stop saying this shit.

01:19:48.020 Let's talk about something else.

01:19:49.160 And I'm like, I realized, you know, all moments of privacy, which should have been me time to think about my life.

01:19:54.720 I was thinking about La Cosa Nostra.

01:19:56.780 Wow.

01:19:57.280 And that's not right.

01:19:58.360 No one should think about the mob for more than like an hour a week.

01:20:01.260 Oh, yeah.

01:20:01.940 I think even that seemed like a lot, you know, especially if it's not a recipe coming really shortly after the thoughts.

01:20:07.240 Yeah.

01:20:07.940 You think the mob is still around?

01:20:09.840 If they are, first of all, I noticed, I noticed for a fact they do a lot of just trash hauling is what they do now.

01:20:15.680 Yeah.

01:20:16.060 The mob has severely been reduced.

01:20:17.980 You don't think they're walking into like Stumptown Coffee in Brooklyn, breaking kneecaps and being like, give me five cents off this latte.

01:20:24.980 I think they're like the comedy central.

01:20:27.220 Basically, they're like comedy central.

01:20:28.600 Like they just fucking didn't get on social media and they fucking fell apart.

01:20:32.640 Yeah.

01:20:33.100 They should have adapted.

01:20:34.420 Oh.

01:20:34.860 Had like a dope ass like cartel style branding campaign.

01:20:38.060 Yeah.

01:20:38.320 Instead, they started like a Jordan Klepper show or something and it fucking tanked and they never got their feedback under them.

01:20:45.360 Let's bring them back, dude.

01:20:46.640 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

01:20:48.400 But the mafia, I would love to see them back.

01:20:50.420 Yeah.

01:20:50.520 I would love a fucking Italian to just beat and hit me with a bat when I'm going for a job.

01:20:54.540 Yeah.

01:20:54.920 You motherfucker.

01:20:57.400 Because here's one thing I realized.

01:20:58.800 If somebody walked up to me and punched me for no reason, right?

01:21:02.660 Yeah.

01:21:02.960 But they said, you know what that's for.

01:21:06.060 I would find some, I would find a reason in my head why.

01:21:10.300 Yeah.

01:21:10.840 And I'd be like, damn.

01:21:12.060 Okay.

01:21:13.240 I think you could do that to anybody.

01:21:14.640 What do you think would be the first thing that would come to mind?

01:21:20.440 Probably stealing something when I was younger, maybe.

01:21:24.360 Yeah.

01:21:25.020 Or, you know, bad sex, maybe.

01:21:28.280 Yeah.

01:21:28.860 Like you had me drive all the way over there for that bad sex.

01:21:31.740 Yeah.

01:21:31.900 Or my, you know, you made my sister come over for that bad sex.

01:21:34.640 Yeah.

01:21:36.280 You were heavy into stealing when you were younger?

01:21:38.440 Yeah.

01:21:38.820 I like to have stuff, man.

01:21:40.300 And I'd tell people, I'd have their stuff on and tell them I didn't have it, you know?

01:21:43.480 Like retail?

01:21:45.020 Yeah.

01:21:45.880 And even undergarments, men's undergarments.

01:21:48.560 Yeah.

01:21:51.020 You've came a long way, man.

01:21:52.920 Yeah.

01:21:53.720 Thanks, man.

01:21:54.600 You know, I feel, yeah.

01:21:55.940 At least now I can afford my own stuff.

01:21:58.360 Haynes would probably send you a pack.

01:22:00.180 Yeah, that'd be good.

01:22:01.520 They're going to see this.

01:22:02.580 Shout out to Haynes.

01:22:03.860 I want to know about your movie before you go, man.

01:22:05.960 I want to know a little bit more about it.

01:22:07.160 Yeah, man.

01:22:08.200 Ask away.

01:22:09.680 What can we look forward to?

01:22:11.240 Obviously, there's some parts of it that are what?

01:22:15.840 There's parts of the movie that I'm going to be screening at the upcoming tour.

01:22:19.080 Okay.

01:22:19.580 That's a fact.

01:22:20.840 I'm going to screen like some sick.

01:22:22.060 HBO just finally agreed to let me show some scenes.

01:22:24.760 Okay.

01:22:25.220 HBO has been awesome to work with.

01:22:26.680 Really?

01:22:27.040 Yeah, dude.

01:22:27.620 Wow.

01:22:28.160 Sick.

01:22:28.640 Shout out to Nina at HBO.

01:22:30.020 It's been fun, dude.

01:22:30.720 Like working with a company that's like keeps it real.

01:22:33.260 And, you know, it's HBO.

01:22:35.300 And especially you came, you had some bad, you had bad experiences with that before, right?

01:22:38.360 Hell yeah, dude.

01:22:39.160 I remember you were in, right after I met you through with King and the Sting, that's

01:22:44.660 when you got into the dispute with your own organization.

01:22:47.640 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:48.080 That was a horrible thing.

01:22:49.360 Yeah.

01:22:49.740 But, you know, I'm happy that it ended in like a cataclysmic fucking gnarly way.

01:22:54.700 Yeah.

01:22:54.840 Because I had to go independent.

01:22:56.120 Like I had to start Channel 5.

01:22:57.840 Right.

01:22:58.060 Because I had like the fire under my ass being like, you know, you got fucked over, like

01:23:02.580 respawn, kill it, like start your own thing.

01:23:05.980 That thing's going to be bigger.

01:23:07.760 You know, I feel like if I didn't have that dramatic split from the all gas, no brakes

01:23:11.920 parent company, I'd probably would have just drifted into like comedic obscurity.

01:23:15.680 Honestly.

01:23:16.440 What do you, what was a moment in there?

01:23:18.260 What was some more of that?

01:23:19.200 Tell me about that.

01:23:19.780 So, cause other people, this happens, this happens to people a lot where people, you know,

01:23:22.960 they're kind of the deal isn't right.

01:23:24.460 Or they don't feel like if they leave something that they're still going to be able to survive.

01:23:28.420 Yeah.

01:23:28.740 There's just very like low regulation of like the Instagram and TikTok management world.

01:23:33.820 It's not like film and, you know, acting and shit where you have guilds and unions, like

01:23:38.220 you can get pimped.

01:23:39.220 You can get the blood pimped out of you by someone who manages influencers.

01:23:42.460 Yeah.

01:23:42.540 There's no rules or regulations.

01:23:43.900 It's like the wild west.

01:23:45.480 I, there's been contracts much worse than mine, but I had what they call a 360 deal.

01:23:50.400 They talk about it a lot in rap music.

01:23:52.280 You know, it's a full management contract.

01:23:54.060 So that means I can't acquire any money or get any, if I, if I get a sponsorship deal, it

01:23:58.620 runs through the parent company.

01:23:59.540 I, every stream of revenue that is to Andrew Callahan will have to be processed by the

01:24:03.880 parent company and they'll give me 20% of that profit after expenses are recouped.

01:24:08.620 So it's a shitty deal.

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:10.300 Uh, it was good at first because they gave me 45 K a year, bought me an RV.

01:24:14.360 I thought I was in heaven, but there was no show yet.

01:24:16.820 Right.

01:24:17.280 As the show got bigger and bigger, you know, we're getting, I see that we're making like

01:24:21.200 so much on Patreon every month and through merch and I'm like, I want more money than I'm

01:24:26.920 getting right now.

01:24:27.540 I'm getting paid.

01:24:27.940 You deserve more.

01:24:28.620 I'm getting paid literally the salary of a manager at Raising Cane's and like, shout

01:24:33.380 out to them.

01:24:34.420 And I'm like, you know, I'm like, they work hard.

01:24:36.580 They're not even a sponsor.

01:24:37.340 I don't love this hat.

01:24:40.160 Sorry.

01:24:40.620 Go on.

01:24:41.240 And then like, man.

01:24:45.160 Yeah.

01:24:45.620 So that happens, it happens to people, but it ended up making, you didn't fold though.

01:24:50.500 Yeah.

01:24:50.800 I mean, so back to it.

01:24:51.680 I mean, the big lesson from that whole shit is like, read your contracts and, uh, know what

01:24:56.380 real money looks like, you know, cause before you start, you know, really succeeding in

01:25:00.160 media, 45 K a year, it seems like a great deal.

01:25:03.820 Then in the world of adults, that's like a below standard salary.

01:25:07.240 Right.

01:25:07.720 But you just don't know that cause you're young as fuck.

01:25:09.560 But you were 21, 22.

01:25:10.480 I was just interning for Seattle weekly and writing for my college newspaper for free.

01:25:14.040 So it's like, anyways, somewhere right, right before our gastro breaks kind of tanked, uh,

01:25:20.120 we signed a deal to make a movie with Tim and Eric's company.

01:25:22.900 Absolutely.

01:25:23.580 And then Jonah Hill's company strong baby latched onto it and it became this whole, like

01:25:27.020 lot of chefs in the kitchen making this, uh, the movie is about the 2020 election and,

01:25:31.880 uh, the events that led up to the Capitol riot and the aftermath.

01:25:35.380 So we're making this movie.

01:25:38.060 I literally remember I'm, I'm in the South Philly Walmart in this RV.

01:25:42.660 We're out of propane.

01:25:43.920 So there was no heat.

01:25:45.200 It's 21 degrees.

01:25:46.900 And I'm getting these emails from the all gas, no breaks parent company.

01:25:49.540 They're like, we need you to produce two pieces of Patreon content or we're going to

01:25:54.040 fire you guys.

01:25:55.440 And this is while I'm making a movie.

01:25:56.960 And I'm like, I don't have time to do that.

01:25:59.300 I I'm freezing.

01:26:00.580 It was horrible.

01:26:01.440 And so I kind of refused, you know, I asked for more money.

01:26:04.480 I said, okay, I'll work a second job now.

01:26:06.720 Just give me more than 20% of the profit share.

01:26:09.060 They're like, nah, we're keeping you at 20%.

01:26:11.780 They fired Nick and Evan just to make a statement after I asked them for more bread.

01:26:15.980 And those are your associates.

01:26:17.300 Yeah.

01:26:17.580 Still, they, they're partners and owners of channel five.

01:26:20.120 Right.

01:26:20.460 And then like, yeah, dude, it just got so bad.

01:26:23.700 They were just being like, I got this thing in the mail, my LA house.

01:26:27.120 It was like, if you don't make a video for all gas, no breaks by the end of the month,

01:26:31.960 you're fired.

01:26:32.500 In the mail.

01:26:33.560 What are they?

01:26:33.840 Are they, where did they send it from the past?

01:26:36.520 Do they travel back in time?

01:26:37.760 I know, right?

01:26:38.920 What's going on?

01:26:39.720 That's insane.

01:26:40.500 But looking back on it, I mean, I'm, like I said, I'm glad it fell apart.

01:26:43.320 I don't have really negative feelings towards any of those guys.

01:26:45.920 Yeah.

01:26:46.300 You know, I was, I was always supposed to be independent.

01:26:49.440 Yeah.

01:26:50.200 You know.

01:26:50.620 You always have been probably really in your own way.

01:26:52.460 Yeah, for sure.

01:26:53.360 You like being, it seems like you like having control over what you put out.

01:26:58.480 Yeah.

01:26:58.700 In a way, I almost feel bad for those guys because they made such a bad business decision.

01:27:04.860 Right.

01:27:05.480 Well, at first they made a great business because they saw the value in you.

01:27:08.720 Yeah.

01:27:09.500 So that's almost, that's cool.

01:27:11.960 Yeah.

01:27:12.240 But then they chose to not do it fairly.

01:27:17.020 Yeah.

01:27:17.200 Because I would have kept working for All Gas No Brakes.

01:27:19.520 Like the show would have been going right now if they would have just been like, Andrew

01:27:21.940 wants more money?

01:27:23.440 Sure.

01:27:23.920 Give it to him.

01:27:24.580 But I remember the dude said to me, we have a bunch of connections in the comedy world.

01:27:28.720 We'll be fine.

01:27:29.980 We're going to replace you.

01:27:31.640 And I was like, bro, I do the editing.

01:27:34.060 It's my show.

01:27:34.940 It's like my concept.

01:27:35.760 They actually created a bunch of copycat pages that are active right now with my exact style

01:27:41.320 with other comedians hosting it.

01:27:43.720 It's just a shameful endeavor.

01:27:46.000 But, you know, I don't know.

01:27:48.300 Sometimes you take L's and you just got to keep it pushing.

01:27:50.440 But I think they should have just left my formula alone.

01:27:53.760 Yeah, dude.

01:27:54.340 I mean, if you put a bunch of L's together, bro, you got a bunch of L's, but you might

01:28:00.740 be doing better.

01:28:02.640 Yeah.

01:28:03.420 But hey, man, shout out to those guys.

01:28:05.000 They put me on it first, you know?

01:28:08.060 It's a good attitude to have, man.

01:28:09.320 I try not to have any.

01:28:10.780 I just try to not be negative about shit, even though it's easy to be, especially when

01:28:14.680 you got kind of burned like that.

01:28:17.480 Yeah.

01:28:18.340 But once you start being negative, people start being negative back.

01:28:23.060 I know it's basic.

01:28:24.300 But even with my O'Block video, I showed two other journalists in that, maybe not in the

01:28:32.500 best light, you know?

01:28:34.120 Because I was doing like a sort of expose about like what I saw as like the exploitation of

01:28:40.080 like drill music by like media members who run like an interview cycle based upon like

01:28:45.500 fact-checking someone's street credibility for clicks and views.

01:28:49.060 I talked about how that actually fuels real life violence because it kind of breaks down

01:28:53.820 the inner workings of gang beef to like the general listening public and just makes people

01:28:59.140 like not only fans of the music, but fans of like the gang lore behind the music, which

01:29:04.080 you know what I'm saying?

01:29:04.920 Oh, interesting.

01:29:05.580 No, I know what you're saying.

01:29:06.460 I just, I'm trying to imagine how a channel would do something like that or how.

01:29:09.880 Basically like drill music is like completely full of like dissing people's dead family

01:29:18.380 members, dissing dead enemies.

01:29:20.400 There's a whole gang lore behind every drill scene, whether it be Jacksonville, Philadelphia,

01:29:25.380 Chicago with specific characters and legends and people like that.

01:29:29.320 But the general YouTube public didn't know about what they were saying until like a second

01:29:35.900 industry of, you know, people who I call gang gossip YouTubers ran like a news circuit

01:29:42.820 based upon like breaking shit down, you know, and like that sort of exposed the inner workings

01:29:48.920 of like Chicago's gang conflict to like the just greater civilian public stoked the flames

01:29:54.880 of it, made it worse.

01:29:56.740 Is that helpful when they do that or no?

01:29:58.700 I think that, uh, it's just clickbait.

01:30:00.720 I think that at its best, like there's some people who do it really well.

01:30:03.620 Like there's one guy, um, trap Laura Ross, he does like a really good job at like, you

01:30:09.240 know, breaking down sort of the insanity and like the specifics of certain conflicts that

01:30:14.320 should, people should know about, you know, cause there's people dying about like the hundreds

01:30:18.180 here, like in Jacksonville.

01:30:19.780 Right.

01:30:20.040 But I think that when it's a gossip based click cycle, like you'll never guess what gang

01:30:24.340 this rapper's from, you know, that to me is whack.

01:30:27.820 Right.

01:30:28.180 But what I was saying is in the O'Block video, I interviewed two dudes who were in that world

01:30:33.100 and I just felt like while I do have my problems with like how they use their platform to a

01:30:38.240 certain degree, it felt bad coming at anyone.

01:30:42.440 I don't want to do it again.

01:30:43.620 You know, like just putting the, putting any negativity in the world.

01:30:47.560 And like, I felt it kind of come back towards me when they had their responses and then people

01:30:52.960 were, and I was just like, man, I don't want to start any beef with any other media members.

01:30:56.300 Like fuck all that.

01:30:57.420 Like, you know?

01:30:58.840 Yeah.

01:31:00.480 Yeah.

01:31:00.800 It's tough to navigate.

01:31:01.520 Cause sometimes people will see like, we'll borrow your shit or do something like that

01:31:04.740 to you.

01:31:05.000 And you're like, man, this is fucked up.

01:31:06.240 It's like, do I want to, you know, like, it's like, do I call this out?

01:31:09.620 Like there's a clothing company that like totally copied a shirt that I made, right?

01:31:13.100 Like a merch.

01:31:13.820 And it was like, do I bring this up or is that just going to bring more attention to

01:31:17.700 them?

01:31:18.100 You know?

01:31:18.600 Yeah.

01:31:19.140 It's tough to navigate sometimes stuff like that.

01:31:21.160 I know that's a different comparison.

01:31:22.720 Yeah.

01:31:23.480 But it's like, once you start calling people out for shit and then all of a sudden you're

01:31:26.780 susceptible because people, now that you've stooped to that level of like internet beef,

01:31:31.020 people start realizing it's an opportunity to capitalize on you and they start internet

01:31:35.220 beefing with you because they know that you play that game now.

01:31:37.640 Right.

01:31:37.820 And I just don't want to do it.

01:31:38.800 I stand behind my coverage of O Block, but it's just like, I don't know.

01:31:42.820 Is it scary to see like, you know, you get environments like that where there's a lot

01:31:46.520 of violence, you know, a lot of like growing up, like two of my closest black friends from

01:31:50.880 growing up both got killed.

01:31:52.180 Right.

01:31:52.900 And, um, by other black guys growing up, there's just a lot of like, you know, there's a, there's

01:31:58.860 a lot of black young men killed.

01:32:00.580 You know, there's a lot of violence in that community.

01:32:02.360 Yeah.

01:32:02.540 You see a lot of like the rap music and stuff.

01:32:05.000 And, you know, I love, I love the music, but is it, I wonder sometimes if I find like

01:32:10.880 by listening to this music, am I just perpetuating part of this thing?

01:32:14.720 Well, the music is very much a part of the circumstances and like a reflection of the

01:32:19.520 environment and the culture that creates it.

01:32:21.360 Like the real villain in the story of the mainstream proliferation of drill music is the record

01:32:27.380 labels who are fucking pushing this shit and like owning the masters to mainstream hits

01:32:32.280 about like basically doing mass shootings, you know?

01:32:35.200 So as a listener, man, it sounds dope.

01:32:38.180 No, you're not perpetuating it.

01:32:39.300 The music sounds tight.

01:32:40.300 They could be talking about whatever.

01:32:41.880 But it's the, it's the record labels that, you know, make kids bop versions of songs and

01:32:46.940 shit like that.

01:32:47.620 You know, to, to me, I felt like when I do something again, if I ever step back into the

01:32:52.740 realm of covering drill music, I feel like the record labels and the people who control

01:32:57.780 and incentivize that are the missing sort of investigation, the missing piece to my

01:33:03.500 investigative, investigative reporting, you know?

01:33:06.140 Do you feel like you're like you bow your reporting down to anything like you, there's like

01:33:11.360 there's angles you're afraid to go to or things you won't talk about?

01:33:14.600 Like it's hard to stay neutral.

01:33:19.520 Yeah.

01:33:19.840 I mean, I'll talk about whatever, but there's certain issues that I take more seriously

01:33:23.000 than others.

01:33:23.620 It's hard to stay out of the pocket of big business too, you know, as you grow.

01:33:28.380 Yeah.

01:33:28.660 Cause they'll, they'll take your clips and they'll run them if it is with their agenda.

01:33:32.920 You know what I mean?

01:33:33.680 Or they could start to make you look a certain way, like this guy does this or, you know,

01:33:36.900 they have just, there's a lot of power out there.

01:33:38.700 Especially when you start to succeed.

01:33:39.960 And that's why I wanted to get off social media.

01:33:41.680 Cause it's like, I remember one time I was like out in a nice restaurant and like, I

01:33:45.600 had like, I had to got shots for everybody and someone took a picture of me and they

01:33:49.080 were like, I see where our Patreon money's going.

01:33:51.860 Oh wow.

01:33:52.360 You know, and shit like that where I'm just like, bro, like I just like, let me enjoy

01:33:56.300 my life to a degree.

01:33:57.260 Like I'm supporting my entire family now, basically.

01:33:59.860 You know what I mean?

01:34:00.500 So it's like, I don't know, man, success is hella weird.

01:34:04.080 Cause I never thought I'd be someone who was successful and it comes with a whole different

01:34:07.560 responsibility and it's harder to make real friends.

01:34:10.480 It's scary kind of, isn't it?

01:34:11.620 It's hella scary.

01:34:12.160 Especially when you're young, you know, and you, you, you popped off when you were young

01:34:15.120 too.

01:34:15.580 Yeah.

01:34:15.880 So you know what it's like, it's like, damn, like I have less friends than ever, you

01:34:20.080 know, but the friends that I do have are really strong.

01:34:22.100 Yeah.

01:34:22.460 But like, I can't be around it.

01:34:24.080 And your own ego, I got scared of my own ego too, because, you know, feeling like I

01:34:27.900 had a, I was at a loss, you know, of like, uh, attention or affection growing up.

01:34:32.640 And I was like, oh, this is important, you know, like this specific part of it, you know,

01:34:38.040 that can be scary.

01:34:39.340 Yeah.

01:34:39.720 It's all interesting.

01:34:40.840 I think people look for like, uh, examples of ego exaggeration too, to be like, oh, this

01:34:45.520 guy's super full of himself because he did this.

01:34:47.620 Yeah.

01:34:47.960 Like once you succeed, people look for a villain arc to be like, oh, he used to be dope, but

01:34:53.940 you know, now he's at Soho house and he's going to Equinox and paying for hot stone massages.

01:34:59.600 And I just saw him with AirPods in, you know, fuck that guy with a sellout, you know?

01:35:04.260 And like, that's a real narrative, especially, you know, I'm someone who like cares about,

01:35:08.580 you know, issues of like racial justice and shit.

01:35:10.480 Yeah.

01:35:10.680 So it's like, that's not that compatible with having money.

01:35:13.620 And my goal is not to have money, but it's like, when you succeed, people kind of know

01:35:18.280 you're doing, you're doing well.

01:35:19.480 And like, every time I saw merch, which is like, the money goes right back into funding

01:35:23.700 channel five, but everyone's just like, have fun, like grifting or whatever.

01:35:28.160 I'm just like, whatever people want to support you.

01:35:30.720 People want to have your stuff.

01:35:31.960 They want to be like, oh, I like this.

01:35:33.420 This is something cool.

01:35:34.580 I used to think about that.

01:35:35.460 We try to sell merch at a fair price and we try to do the best that we can.

01:35:39.320 And at a certain point you, you can spend all day.

01:35:41.540 I can sit there and be like a guy who's handling all my merch stuff or merch issues, but then

01:35:45.460 I'm not even creating anything that people want or even honoring myself by being, it's

01:35:50.420 like, there's only so many wars you can fight, you know?

01:35:53.440 Dude, for sure.

01:35:54.300 And that's why I'm just like chilling on the, chilling on the Instagram.

01:35:57.940 Yeah.

01:35:58.520 Good for you, man.

01:35:59.420 It's brave and it's hard to do.

01:36:00.900 Yeah.

01:36:01.260 It's like vaping for your fucking ego.

01:36:04.120 Yeah.

01:36:04.340 I'm one month off.

01:36:05.360 Wow.

01:36:05.960 Crazy.

01:36:06.780 Damn.

01:36:07.380 That's powerful, dude.

01:36:08.060 I didn't know that.

01:36:09.080 Yeah.

01:36:09.780 I'm not going to delete, I'm not, I'm not going to make any public statement being like

01:36:13.260 screen time is bad for you.

01:36:15.100 The coolest shit to do is just withdraw on your own time.

01:36:18.160 Cause the only thing lamer than being addicted to Instagram is being one of those people who's

01:36:21.240 like publicly against Instagram.

01:36:22.580 Yeah.

01:36:23.040 On Instagram.

01:36:23.920 Yeah.

01:36:24.100 Yeah.

01:36:24.300 On Instagram being like, I'm taking a break from my mental recovery.

01:36:27.100 It's like, oh, are you?

01:36:28.160 Yeah.

01:36:28.380 Thanks for letting us know, dude.

01:36:29.880 I know.

01:36:30.080 This isn't part of your long-term Instagram plan, is it?

01:36:32.920 Taking a break from my break.

01:36:34.360 Then they'll come back and take a break from the break.

01:36:35.800 Oh, it was so refreshing.

01:36:36.840 Great to see you guys again.

01:36:37.860 How's it going?

01:36:39.000 It's been four days.

01:36:40.120 Yeah, for sure.

01:36:41.720 What about the love life, man?

01:36:43.200 Do you, do you envision yourself?

01:36:44.640 Are you dating?

01:36:45.280 Is there anything like that for you?

01:36:46.480 Do you like, uh, like affection?

01:36:49.540 Yeah, for sure.

01:36:50.300 Or it's just hard to navigate in this, the position that I'm in, you know?

01:36:54.940 Yeah.

01:36:55.180 Like, I'm like hyper, um, not hypercritical, but like definitely trust problems.

01:37:01.220 Yeah.

01:37:01.620 Because of like the position that I'm in, I feel like I'm really paranoid about, you

01:37:06.120 know, if someone's like genuine or not.

01:37:08.200 Interesting.

01:37:08.760 And so that makes me like not open up to people because I'm like, damn, this sounds like a

01:37:13.680 classic thing, but it's like, would you be around if I didn't have all this shit going

01:37:17.920 on?

01:37:18.180 If I wasn't like, yeah, doing cool stuff.

01:37:19.980 And that extends like beyond dating.

01:37:21.400 That's just like all of social life.

01:37:23.120 But I'm taking it slow.

01:37:24.280 Like I have a lot on my plate.

01:37:25.500 Like I have this movie coming out.

01:37:26.600 I have the tour working on a cartoon.

01:37:28.680 I definitely have put the whole love life thing in the backseat.

01:37:32.440 Yeah.

01:37:33.200 Until I am like satisfied with other stuff, you know?

01:37:36.920 Cause love can crash and burn, but if you make awesome stuff, that's forever.

01:37:41.400 Or, you know, if you put your passion into a project, that's going to outlive you.

01:37:46.260 When also I noticed my passion, my work can't hurt me like at a level, you know, like my

01:37:51.000 work can't, my work is always, I know exactly what it's going to be.

01:37:55.940 I know the return that's going to give me, it can affect me a moat, you know, it can,

01:38:00.860 but it's not going to have the same effect as, as a love in somebody or something like

01:38:04.640 that, you know?

01:38:05.460 Yeah.

01:38:06.220 Anyway, that's kind of a fucking big reach, but it's not going to go on your phone while

01:38:09.440 you're sleeping.

01:38:10.240 Yeah.

01:38:10.460 Yeah.

01:38:10.680 Yeah.

01:38:11.120 My job's not going to go on my phone while you're sleeping.

01:38:13.320 Yeah.

01:38:13.660 That's true.

01:38:14.460 Also, it's like, I feel like if you do date people in this position, like they assume

01:38:19.020 that you're like hella unfaithful when you're not.

01:38:21.540 Oh, interesting.

01:38:22.440 You know what I mean?

01:38:23.680 Like.

01:38:24.640 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 I think that's probably true.

01:38:26.060 A lot of times if I meet a girl, the first thing you ever say is, I bet you know girls

01:38:29.360 all over.

01:38:30.700 And I can spend like two days with someone, like have the best time.

01:38:33.420 Yeah.

01:38:33.660 And they're like, I'm just one of many.

01:38:35.840 I'm like, no, no, that's not even true.

01:38:38.560 Yeah.

01:38:38.780 Like you'd have the best, like have like a honeymoon basically.

01:38:41.940 Yeah.

01:38:42.200 The last thing they say is like, all right, I'll see you in a month.

01:38:46.040 Never.

01:38:46.560 I'm like, man.

01:38:48.300 Yeah.

01:38:48.620 They, but I, I guess that's an accurate thing for somebody.

01:38:51.360 If you're just kind of also, we pass through town guys like us pass through town, you know?

01:38:55.680 Yeah.

01:38:56.060 And we're tit grifters, you know?

01:38:58.220 And that is something.

01:38:59.320 And some of that's, first of all, okay.

01:39:00.680 We've also created this ambiance in the world.

01:39:02.780 Like it's not like, I get a lot of dims from women.

01:39:05.400 They're like, well, it's fuck.

01:39:06.300 Let me see that penis hole.

01:39:08.500 No way.

01:39:08.980 Oh, I swear.

01:39:09.820 Okay.

01:39:10.480 Dude, the stuff I gotten, let me see that dick hole or whatever, you know, just crazy.

01:39:18.540 Like what?

01:39:19.900 I didn't even, so it's like, there's women out there trying to get you to stop by as well.

01:39:24.700 Yeah.

01:39:25.080 And there's nothing inhuman about it.

01:39:26.840 I seen, I've been at the zoo before.

01:39:28.560 Animal walk across the cage.

01:39:30.560 Fuck another animal.

01:39:31.620 I don't even know him.

01:39:32.860 Yeah.

01:39:33.140 Or her.

01:39:33.520 They didn't even look.

01:39:34.380 Yeah.

01:39:35.100 And then they go back, dude.

01:39:36.400 They go back to whatever, the dog food or whatever.

01:39:38.420 They give them all dog food.

01:39:39.400 You notice that at the zoo?

01:39:40.220 I didn't know that, man.

01:39:41.280 It's like, yeah.

01:39:43.240 I'm like, everything eats dog food.

01:39:45.020 Yeah.

01:39:45.580 I try to avoid like doing that type of thing though.

01:39:48.740 Like for tour, like when I'm on tour, I just like to work, finish the show, do the meet and greet,

01:39:54.020 and just keep it pushing.

01:39:55.560 Yeah.

01:39:55.620 Because I got to watch the ego too, you know?

01:39:58.300 Yeah.

01:39:58.560 And there's no like worse way.

01:40:01.300 There's no worse thing for your ego than like being surrounded by, surrounding yourself with like fans or people in your DMs like saying shit like that.

01:40:10.680 Yeah.

01:40:10.940 You know, because you just develop a complex where, I haven't developed it, but my biggest fear is thinking that I'm better than other people.

01:40:18.800 Or that I have more value than just random garbage man or something.

01:40:23.120 Well, and also, and your ego can grow without you even knowing it.

01:40:26.040 That's what's even scary.

01:40:27.220 Yeah.

01:40:27.560 The ego like a damn moss, bro.

01:40:29.780 Yeah.

01:40:30.280 That thing, it grows at night.

01:40:31.880 Yeah.

01:40:32.140 Also, the weirdest shit is like in the regular world, people are attracted to like being like athletic and like funny.

01:40:40.320 Whereas if like in the media world or in like the LA world, it's like who you know and stuff.

01:40:45.360 Yeah.

01:40:46.420 Yeah.

01:40:46.780 It's different, man.

01:40:47.460 It's interesting.

01:40:48.520 Well, you're certainly on a journey, bro.

01:40:49.860 And I appreciate you coming in and just kind of spending some time with us and just, you know, getting to know you better, man.

01:40:54.860 And learn about kind of some of the stuff that's made you tick.

01:40:58.100 Yeah, dude.

01:40:58.780 Damn.

01:40:59.100 Yeah.

01:40:59.200 The sky's the limit, dude.

01:41:00.480 One last question.

01:41:03.500 Do you think about like your, do you think that there's still good journalism out there?

01:41:09.180 Oh, so much, man.

01:41:11.240 That's one comment that I get on my videos that I don't like is people always say the last journalist or something like that.

01:41:18.020 Like, no, man, I'm heavily inspired by Louis Theroux, by Daily Show Correspondents, by like Sacha Baron Cohen, people, you know, Vice when I was in high school was the shit.

01:41:28.600 Yeah, Vice was so fire when it first came out before it got bought.

01:41:31.200 The old school days when it was like the interviews with General Butt Naked in Liberia and shit where you're like, oh my God, like I want to be doing stuff like this.

01:41:39.060 I only hope that I can create and inspire like more journalists, more civilian independent journalists to go out there and get like the real take.

01:41:46.860 But I feel like I watch interviews that are dope all the time.

01:41:50.460 I watch interviews all day on YouTube and I'm just LOLing.

01:41:54.160 Dang, that's cool.

01:41:55.060 But the hard part is like, you know, there's too many interviews now.

01:41:58.320 Yeah.

01:41:58.600 You feel that way?

01:41:59.220 Yeah.

01:42:00.160 Yeah.

01:42:00.420 As we're doing an interview, we're saying it.

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:02.020 Like I'm saying stick, there's too much.

01:42:04.140 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:05.120 I try less and less.

01:42:06.680 I realize more.

01:42:07.300 I just want to have a chat.

01:42:08.760 Yeah.

01:42:09.280 There's just too many.

01:42:10.640 Like on YouTube, like maybe it's an algorithm thing, but it's like.

01:42:14.520 Could be.

01:42:14.800 It's definitely an algorithm thing.

01:42:16.860 But no, man, I mean, I want to do this forever.

01:42:19.240 Yeah.

01:42:19.640 And I'm not mad at anyone.

01:42:22.700 Yeah.

01:42:23.020 I'm curious, bro.

01:42:24.040 I'm curious to see where.

01:42:26.520 Yeah.

01:42:26.880 I'm curious to see where you where you take it, man.

01:42:29.520 You're so creative and it's fun.

01:42:30.780 It's fun to listen to and it's fun to learn and and see what you're doing, man.

01:42:34.420 I appreciate your time, Andrew.

01:42:35.740 Yeah, dude.

01:42:36.140 It's been sick being on.

01:42:37.360 I like that.

01:42:37.880 It's just you and me.

01:42:38.980 You know what I mean?

01:42:39.720 Yeah.

01:42:40.020 I see why you like a more one on one podcast style.

01:42:43.680 Yeah.

01:42:43.960 It makes me feel more comfortable.

01:42:45.180 I can be myself.

01:42:46.520 I can try to learn more about the person.

01:42:49.040 Yeah.

01:42:50.920 And yeah, I don't know.

01:42:51.820 Sometimes you go through times in your life where you feel like I need to evolve and I

01:42:55.820 don't know how to do that right now.

01:42:57.440 And so I need to take a step back and see what do I do?

01:43:00.620 Yeah.

01:43:00.860 I wanted to ask you, who's like your dream podcast guest?

01:43:03.680 We had a little Boosie on.

01:43:06.440 I would like to have him again.

01:43:07.420 So good, dude.

01:43:08.260 Yeah.

01:43:08.520 I like Boosie, man, because he's so he's so real and uncut, but also trying to figure shit

01:43:18.160 out, you know.

01:43:18.900 You guys are just pure Louisiana, too.

01:43:20.980 Bro, yeah.

01:43:21.500 I love Boosie.

01:43:22.420 Who else, dude?

01:43:23.460 There's a Senator John Kennedy, I think his name is from Louisiana.

01:43:26.100 No.

01:43:26.200 What's his name?

01:43:28.460 From Louisiana?

01:43:29.620 John Bel Edwards.

01:43:30.960 No, that guy.

01:43:31.980 That would be a terrible interview.

01:43:33.240 Yeah.

01:43:33.680 I think that's the governor.

01:43:36.000 John Neely Kennedy.

01:43:37.000 Yeah.

01:43:37.420 There's this other dude from Louisiana.

01:43:38.720 I want to get that dude from Louisiana that does those crazy videos.

01:43:41.280 If you're a criminal up in our town.

01:43:43.080 Oh, I didn't know.

01:43:43.800 I thought that was Florida.

01:43:44.800 That's Louisiana.

01:43:45.580 I guess Louisiana.

01:43:46.460 It's got to be Shreveport or some shit.

01:43:47.820 Yeah.

01:43:47.920 This dude says some wild.

01:43:49.080 He just like has a great sound bites.

01:43:50.720 I would love to sit and chat with him.

01:43:52.360 That guy hates crime.

01:43:53.280 You can look at him and just tell all types of crime, dude.

01:43:56.900 You park in the yellow.

01:43:58.000 He's on your ass.

01:43:58.720 Oh, that's true.

01:43:59.400 He does.

01:43:59.760 He fucking has the most.

01:44:00.980 He has that hall monitor vibe.

01:44:02.660 He does.

01:44:03.240 I can literally like picture a young him.

01:44:04.880 Who else is somebody I would love to really interview, man?

01:44:10.200 Me and JJ Watt, I think would be real interesting.

01:44:13.660 Oh, I wanted to interview Mystical so bad and he just got arrested again.

01:44:19.340 For the same type of shit?

01:44:20.640 I know.

01:44:21.400 Really?

01:44:22.900 Damn.

01:44:23.360 He just can't stop being a fucking bad man.

01:44:26.260 That broke my heart because I kept reaching out to him.

01:44:28.900 I even DM'd him a couple of times.

01:44:30.080 We've been messaging.

01:44:30.720 And then he got busted.

01:44:36.840 So if he ever gets out, I would love to get to chat with him.

01:44:39.240 How about NBA Youngboy?

01:44:40.280 Would you do that?

01:44:41.020 Yeah, it'd be fire.

01:44:41.820 It's a hard one to get.

01:44:42.640 I've been trying to get it for a long time.

01:44:43.540 Have you?

01:44:43.940 Yeah, he's hard.

01:44:45.180 Yeah, I was curious as to how you go about your guest.

01:44:47.040 Do you use Publicist and Reach Out?

01:44:48.880 Do you use just different avenues?

01:44:50.320 Just personally.

01:44:51.100 Check in with people?

01:44:51.880 Yeah.

01:44:52.360 Yeah.

01:44:53.240 Trey Young, I think it would be real cool.

01:44:54.680 I'd like to get him from Atlanta Hawks.

01:44:56.200 Yeah, that'd be good.

01:44:57.040 He just seemed like an interesting guy.

01:44:58.760 I got to re-watch your interview with Boosie, man.

01:45:00.480 That was one of my favorite podcasts you've ever done.

01:45:03.620 It was fun, man.

01:45:04.420 We had to give him a huge bag of weed and a couple grand to show up.

01:45:10.420 That's not too bad.

01:45:11.280 How much weed?

01:45:11.800 A couple ounces of weed?

01:45:13.380 No, it was like this much weed.

01:45:14.900 Like a pound of weed.

01:45:15.740 Yeah, probably.

01:45:16.960 It was a good amount.

01:45:20.020 That's a lot of weed.

01:45:20.720 It was.

01:45:21.220 That's thousands of dollars worth of weed.

01:45:22.740 Yeah, we had to spend a lot of money on weed, bro.

01:45:25.800 And the best was afterwards, here we go outside.

01:45:29.000 He was dancing in the parking lot and he opens up this SUV.

01:45:33.960 Two of these red bone chicks, get out of there, dude.

01:45:37.420 And one of them's hair was stuck in the seatbelt.

01:45:41.920 But they've all been there just smoking and partying, bro.

01:45:45.380 Have you seen how he asks his fans for random shit on the road?

01:45:48.500 He's like, who in Atlanta has a Pontiac?

01:45:50.520 Pontiac GT.

01:45:51.940 He's like, I need a Pontiac GT rental car with good tags.

01:45:56.400 And he's like, email my manager.

01:45:58.340 And the next thing you know, it's some family.

01:46:00.080 Like, what up, Boosie?

01:46:00.880 And he's like, appreciate it, man.

01:46:03.020 He's like, you should look up when you get home.

01:46:04.720 Boosie asking fans for things on Instagram.

01:46:06.840 It's like a 20-minute compilation.

01:46:09.040 I love that, man.

01:46:10.420 What are some groups you want to get into, man?

01:46:12.320 Are there some outlier groups you don't even know exist yet, I'm sure?

01:46:14.860 The adult baby community.

01:46:16.780 Oh, really?

01:46:17.300 Or they call it the age play community.

01:46:19.940 People who pretend to be babies, you know, get caretakers to read them bedtime stories.

01:46:26.080 Some go as far as getting their diaper changed and such.

01:46:29.920 Wow.

01:46:30.320 I can see that, man.

01:46:33.200 It's important.

01:46:34.840 Yeah, that's a good one.

01:46:35.620 I interviewed an adult baby at Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco two weeks ago.

01:46:39.040 Super cool dude.

01:46:41.900 You'll see it.

01:46:42.820 Yeah.

01:46:43.020 He was just like, had a terrible childhood, didn't get to experience being a kid.

01:46:46.800 And he just walks around in a diaper with a binky.

01:46:50.040 Damn.

01:46:51.080 That's pretty gangster.

01:46:52.800 Yeah, there's some definitely unique groups out there, man.

01:46:55.420 I'm curious because a lot of them we learn through you, man.

01:46:58.040 For real.

01:46:58.320 You know, like my favorite part on those jizz wizard dudes was when they had the one dude

01:47:02.160 that busted out like a real, you know, he had that Rorschach test and the other dude

01:47:06.880 just had that little jizz on the paper.

01:47:08.680 You're talking about the different coloration between Will and Brian's semen on the paper?

01:47:12.380 Yeah.

01:47:12.680 Yeah, Brian's was extremely dark.

01:47:14.660 Yeah.

01:47:15.320 Like orange.

01:47:16.720 Like Minute Maid style is disgusting.

01:47:18.320 I mean, I don't want to say disgusting.

01:47:19.600 Brian, if you're watching this.

01:47:20.600 It was more Halloween-ish.

01:47:21.240 I don't think your ejaculate is disgusting.

01:47:22.980 However, I would suggest you consult your primary care physician as to why it's so discolored.

01:47:28.580 It's pumpkin spice.

01:47:29.400 Everything's pumpkin.

01:47:30.220 Like, it's just that time of year, too.

01:47:31.920 You like Halloween?

01:47:33.080 Oh, yeah.

01:47:33.660 What are you going to be?

01:47:34.780 I don't know.

01:47:35.320 I might do something else.

01:47:36.000 It's your farmer or something.

01:47:37.280 Yeah.

01:47:37.840 You know, take it pretty easy.

01:47:38.700 What you got?

01:47:39.520 Michael Myers?

01:47:40.020 I'm just going to Minion it.

01:47:41.220 Really?

01:47:41.580 Yeah, just like paint my whole body yellow on one of the goggles and speak that whatever

01:47:44.720 like hybrid of Spanish and Italian.

01:47:47.880 Yeah, Minion's good, man.

01:47:48.980 That's a great idea, actually.

01:47:50.380 Yeah, shout out to the Minions.

01:47:51.600 Honestly, that movie was fire as hell.

01:47:53.260 That whole series is so great, man.

01:47:54.900 I went and saw Zach Bryan the other night.

01:47:56.780 Have you ever seen him?

01:47:57.520 No.

01:47:57.800 Is he involved in Minions?

01:47:59.020 No, he's just a musician.

01:48:00.700 But it was awesome.

01:48:01.600 Oh, hell yeah.

01:48:02.480 Yeah.

01:48:02.740 It just reminded me how great it is to go see live music.

01:48:05.700 Live anything.

01:48:06.280 This makes you feel, you know, you're like, oh, this is...

01:48:08.800 And it reminds your brain that you can do different things, you know?

01:48:12.720 Sometimes you don't get enough real input, you know?

01:48:14.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:15.860 It's like we don't get enough actual performance.

01:48:18.600 And they only praise you for the one thing they know you're good at.

01:48:21.520 Like, Theo, you're so funny.

01:48:23.760 Right, but then it's...

01:48:24.400 Theo, you're an amazing athlete, and you're great at fucking listening to music.

01:48:28.200 But then my brain forgets those other things, so I got to go out and have real experiences.

01:48:32.000 Yeah.

01:48:32.740 You know what people always say to me, which is hella weird?

01:48:34.660 Dude, they go, how do you find all these crazy-ass people?

01:48:38.340 And I'm like, everyone is insane.

01:48:40.740 Yeah.

01:48:41.560 You know what I mean?

01:48:44.620 Yeah, bro.

01:48:45.360 I'm like, dude, when's the last time you talked to a person?

01:48:48.000 You know, we got problems.

01:48:49.420 Everyone's got serious stuff going on, you know?

01:48:52.240 We're like warped, dude.

01:48:53.440 We're like in the Matrix.

01:48:55.040 We're out here.

01:48:55.780 We are, man.

01:48:56.460 We're freaking out here.

01:48:57.360 I'm happy to spend time with you in the Matrix today, Andrew Callahan, man.

01:49:00.500 Best of luck on the tour.

01:49:01.360 We'll put it in the link and everything like that.

01:49:03.020 Oh, for real?

01:49:03.780 Yeah.

01:49:04.100 Sick, dude.

01:49:04.940 This is going to be tight.

01:49:05.960 So cool.

01:49:06.720 I appreciate it.

01:49:07.160 I know you weren't feeling well.

01:49:07.800 I appreciate you making the time.

01:49:08.860 Yeah, man.

01:49:09.820 Hell yeah.

01:49:10.440 Hope to see everyone on tour, man.

01:49:11.840 Yeah, man.

01:49:12.260 We'll come out when you're in Nashville.

01:49:13.420 I'll come out.

01:49:13.620 For real?

01:49:13.960 Yeah.

01:49:14.340 Or Nashville or LA, so we'll do it.

01:49:16.940 That'll be so sick.

01:49:18.540 Thanks, guys.

01:49:19.080 Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

01:49:25.300 I must be cornerstone.

01:49:30.480 Oh, but when I reach that ground,

01:49:33.040 I'll share this peace of mind I found.

01:49:35.880 I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a minute.

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01:50:07.320 A lot of people are talking about Kite Club.

01:50:10.200 I've been talking about Kite Club for so long, longer than anybody else.

01:50:14.340 So great.

01:50:16.120 Hi.

01:50:16.500 Sweetie.

01:50:17.440 Here's the deal.

01:50:18.860 Anyone who doesn't listen to Kite Club is a dodgy bloody wanker.

01:50:22.780 Do you know what I mean?

01:50:23.760 Hi.

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