This Past Weekend with Theo Von - E421 Retired Police Officer

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00:03:22.500 Hey, guys.

00:03:23.400 I want to thank you guys for tuning in.

00:03:25.660 I also want to just offer up the disclaimer that today's episode contains material and stories and discussions that can be pretty graphic.

00:03:40.220 They contain violence.

00:03:43.220 They contain some gore.

00:03:46.900 They are real stories that this police officer went through.

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00:04:26.200 Today's guest is just a regular police officer.

00:04:30.480 That's who he is.

00:04:32.540 And he also he made his way up to detective at some point.

00:04:35.300 And he's not a media figure.

00:04:38.060 He's not a, you know, some gun puppy or, you know, you know, he's just a he's a he's someone who served.

00:04:48.080 He's someone who has protected and served to the best of his ability.

00:04:52.620 He spent 20 years on the force or forces in the Los Angeles area.

00:04:59.760 We're grateful for his time today just to learn what it's like.

00:05:04.700 Today's guest is a detective and officer retired.

00:05:09.120 Mr. Brad White.

00:05:10.940 Dude, thanks so much for your time, man.

00:05:40.120 Absolutely.

00:05:40.440 Yeah, really, really appreciate it.

00:05:43.020 Yeah, I'm excited to learn about.

00:05:45.080 So you've worked as police, police, detective, detective and a narc.

00:05:52.880 I was narcotics.

00:05:53.660 No, you were narc.

00:05:54.660 I was narcotics for a while.

00:05:55.740 Oh, dang, bro.

00:05:57.900 Dude, they would always accuse people of being narcs when I was young.

00:06:01.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:02.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:03.500 It's 21 Jump Street.

00:06:04.680 Yeah.

00:06:04.940 Oh, I remember one time like we went in the woods to smoke some weed or something.

00:06:08.300 And like it was like where you put the pen to get the can and put the little holes in

00:06:13.520 the can and then you put the weed on there.

00:06:15.560 Absolutely.

00:06:16.100 And right when I went to like hit it, like I breathed out for some reason or like kind

00:06:21.160 of sneeze or like coughed.

00:06:22.320 And it blew all the weed out of the bowl and just onto the ground.

00:06:26.480 Absolutely.

00:06:26.840 And people were like, you're a fucking narc.

00:06:29.140 You know, people call me a narc.

00:06:30.620 I think somebody.

00:06:31.280 Yeah, I think somebody fucking hit me in the back.

00:06:33.240 Um, but anyway, so, uh, so as an officer, we're going to get into like, you've had a pretty

00:06:40.080 crazy career.

00:06:40.680 We're going to get into it as an officer.

00:06:42.360 Take me.

00:06:42.700 Say if I go on or like a ride along with you, right?

00:06:44.720 Your first week on the job, we go on a ride along when you are a cop.

00:06:50.160 Okay.

00:06:50.800 What's that like?

00:06:52.260 Uh, you're saying that it was my first week on the job and you're going to go with it.

00:06:55.880 Yeah.

00:06:56.180 I'm just trying to put myself like it right, like right there in the past.

00:06:59.140 Okay.

00:06:59.720 Um, well, first off, the first week of the job, the first time that they actually put

00:07:03.100 you out in the car by yourself, you know, I was 21 years old.

00:07:06.020 So I remember driving out of the parking lot and, you know, getting ready to pull on that

00:07:10.400 street and I'm in full uniform.

00:07:11.860 You know, I got a shotgun.

00:07:12.800 I got a gun.

00:07:13.540 I got a police car.

00:07:15.040 They're basically going out saying, go out and do what you got to do.

00:07:17.440 And I remember the feeling of it just going, these people are fucking nuts.

00:07:20.380 You know, this is crazy.

00:07:21.080 I'm 21 years old and, and, you know, I'm in this uniform and they're literally sending me

00:07:25.120 out to, to do what cops do.

00:07:27.180 So it takes a little bit.

00:07:29.540 I remember at the starting, it took a, it took a while to get used to, you know, it's

00:07:32.600 a tremendous amount of power.

00:07:33.900 Oh, I can't imagine.

00:07:34.780 That reminds me of even just when I got my first car and I'm driving off, I'm like, okay,

00:07:39.380 I'm leaving home.

00:07:40.580 I'm just, it's me out here.

00:07:42.520 I can't imagine if there's also weapons.

00:07:44.940 Weapons, shotguns, a whole, whole crew of guys out there with you.

00:07:48.320 They're going to back up whatever it is you do.

00:07:49.940 You know, there's a, it's pretty substantial for a young kid, especially at that age.

00:07:54.300 I can't even imagine.

00:07:55.380 Yeah.

00:07:55.520 Too young.

00:07:56.080 21 is too young.

00:07:56.940 Yeah.

00:07:57.180 My belief is 21 is too young.

00:07:58.600 I think, I think there needs to be a little bit, you need to be a little further in life,

00:08:02.820 but you know, they pull them as early as 21.

00:08:05.760 Wow.

00:08:06.300 So you're rolling out there 21.

00:08:08.560 You got the guns, you got the weaponry, you're cruising.

00:08:11.860 Are you like, is there part of it?

00:08:13.580 Is it excitement too?

00:08:14.600 Is it just fear?

00:08:15.460 What is it?

00:08:16.200 You know, there wasn't a lot of fear, a ton of adrenaline, ton of excitement.

00:08:19.860 You know, you've already gone through a long process, the academy where you've been, you

00:08:24.320 know, gone through a lot of training and seen a lot of scenarios and heard a lot of stories.

00:08:29.240 So, you know, when you first get out there and you get on the streets, it's pure adrenaline.

00:08:33.980 And I don't ever remember, I don't ever remember being initially scared.

00:08:38.040 Okay.

00:08:38.180 Fear wasn't really a factor.

00:08:40.700 It was just too big.

00:08:42.140 The group was too big.

00:08:43.180 There was too much.

00:08:43.780 I mean, you got a gun for God's sake, you know, you're, you're going out on your own.

00:08:46.280 So.

00:08:47.140 What music did you listen to?

00:08:48.440 Like what song do you put on that first time you're rolling out?

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.100 You know, actually none.

00:08:52.760 I didn't.

00:08:53.260 When I got into narcotics, when we would go to search warrants, we would always, all

00:08:57.320 the guys would wear, you know, headsets on the way to the, to the location.

00:09:01.060 We always listened to our own music.

00:09:02.300 I, I listened to, for scenarios like that, I listened to Danzig, Mother.

00:09:07.340 I don't know why, but that was a big one for me.

00:09:09.020 Tell your children not to go my way.

00:09:11.900 Yeah, bro.

00:09:12.180 Yeah.

00:09:13.060 Just the lick itself.

00:09:13.860 But I actually would listen to, um, my generation, you know, I would listen to a lot of, uh,

00:09:18.920 easy E, six in the morning.

00:09:20.220 Oh yeah.

00:09:21.080 You know, stuff like that.

00:09:22.000 Stuff like, I, yeah, yeah.

00:09:24.660 Six in the morning, police at my door.

00:09:26.640 Okay.

00:09:26.880 So you're out there.

00:09:27.720 So I'm on your right along your first week.

00:09:29.180 What's it?

00:09:29.580 Does it get kind of wild your first week?

00:09:31.480 What's that like?

00:09:32.560 No, it's just getting used to it.

00:09:33.900 You know, just kind of figuring out how it's done.

00:09:35.500 Again, it's a tremendous amount of power and, and everything's new.

00:09:40.140 I mean, I can remember being 21 years old, going to domestic violence calls.

00:09:44.580 And, you know, going-

00:09:45.220 And you haven't even had any domestic violence in your own life.

00:09:47.020 I didn't even have a girlfriend, you know, at that point.

00:09:49.000 I didn't, I didn't know anything about relationships, but you would go into these situations where

00:09:53.020 people were in turmoil, you know, and there was real problems and they would look at you

00:09:56.700 and go, you know, what are you going to do?

00:09:59.420 What are we going to do?

00:10:00.260 And I remember thinking in my mind, like, well, I got no fucking clue, you know?

00:10:03.580 Would you ever call your mom and be like, mom, what should I even do to you?

00:10:05.800 No, I never called my mom.

00:10:07.980 I never called my mom and asked her, I probably should have, but you just kind of wing it.

00:10:11.820 You know, it's, it's really changed the way I look at everything, those scenarios, because

00:10:15.620 there was a real expectation.

00:10:17.120 Like I knew what I was doing, especially being young.

00:10:19.480 They just, because you're in that uniform, they think that, you know, what the next step

00:10:22.720 is as far as solving the situation.

00:10:26.000 And, and you really don't for a long time, you wing it, you know, within the law, there's

00:10:29.840 all kinds of statues and laws that y'all follow.

00:10:32.300 But when they start asking for advice or, or, you know, it's crazy.

00:10:37.100 The expectation that you, you have a clear understanding of what to do in any given situation.

00:10:41.520 Wow.

00:10:42.000 And the situations vary.

00:10:43.620 Yeah.

00:10:43.800 So it must be crazy.

00:10:44.620 So like a lot of times you are, when you encounter someone, they need, they're having

00:10:50.020 the worst day or it's their, they need help.

00:10:53.240 It's like the look in their eyes, it must always be one of like panic or fear or.

00:10:58.220 Yeah.

00:10:58.680 Generally you're dealing with people's worst day, no matter what it was, you're never going

00:11:01.840 to a scenario where people are happy and things are going well.

00:11:04.300 It's always bad situations.

00:11:05.580 Even it's as simple as a ticket, you know, for some people, a ticket's a humongous ordeal.

00:11:09.860 Oh yeah, dude.

00:11:11.020 You get a ticket, dude.

00:11:12.380 I remember I got three tickets before I even went to court for my first ticket.

00:11:17.240 So I got my first ticket.

00:11:19.000 I actually got my first ticket on the way to being sworn in, in downtown LA.

00:11:22.820 It's the first time I ever drove in downtown LA and I made an illegal U-turn and ended up

00:11:26.620 getting a ticket.

00:11:27.340 Even showed the guy the paperwork saying, I'm getting sworn in.

00:11:29.680 I'm, I'm, I'm one of you guys.

00:11:31.140 And he still wrote me a ticket.

00:11:32.180 And we got to make those quotas.

00:11:33.900 That's what they say.

00:11:35.340 Um, so tell me like one of the craziest things that kind of happened out of the gate, like something

00:11:39.640 that's kind of wild.

00:11:40.560 Um, the, the first time I witnessed someone die, um, wow.

00:11:47.880 Which is in 20 years, there's been quite a few of those.

00:11:52.340 Um, but the first one I ever watched was a, uh, I got a radio call.

00:11:56.580 Uh, I was very young.

00:11:58.420 I got a radio calls in the LA area and it was with a subject with a gun and they gave us

00:12:04.080 a description.

00:12:04.520 And when I pulled up to the location, it was like a, um, like a waffle, not a waffle

00:12:08.040 house, but like a chicken place or something.

00:12:10.020 And I saw the guys out front based on the description.

00:12:12.600 It was a kid wearing a red puffer jacket.

00:12:14.720 And as soon as I pulled up on the kid, he bolted.

00:12:18.540 So, um, chase him a little bit with the car as long as I could.

00:12:22.360 Eventually he started cutting through businesses and so on.

00:12:25.060 So I'd go on a foot.

00:12:26.380 Uh, we had a foot pursuit that went on for a little bit.

00:12:28.960 I chased the guy through, you know, some parking lots and so such.

00:12:32.740 And the kid ended up running into the street.

00:12:35.420 Uh, I believe it was, it was right at Manchester and Gramercy and kid ran right out into the

00:12:39.820 street without checking traffic and he got hit by a car.

00:12:42.680 Um, I was, I don't know, 20, 30, then probably not even that far, probably about 20 yards behind

00:12:49.720 him.

00:12:50.100 So it was right in front of me.

00:12:52.800 The, he was hit at full speed.

00:12:54.640 It was, it was, it was brutal.

00:12:56.560 It was brutal.

00:12:57.220 The kid, um, he was a mess, you know, and it was the first time I ever witnessed someone

00:13:02.700 die.

00:13:03.540 Wow.

00:13:03.980 Yeah.

00:13:04.260 So, and so are you at that point, do you, are you still like in pursuit or at that point

00:13:09.080 it immediately, you recognize, oh, this is a bad situation.

00:13:11.860 Now this has changed.

00:13:13.160 Um, there's just a lot of dynamics to that because there's a lot of civil, when you're

00:13:16.680 a cop, there's just a lot of civil liability and no matter what you do, you know what I

00:13:20.100 mean?

00:13:20.260 Even in a scenario like that, when you're, when you're going after someone that has, is

00:13:25.280 in the commission of a crime, the fact that they're running from you and you are chasing

00:13:29.280 them, it puts you in some kind of civil liability for it.

00:13:32.200 And that, that I realized at a later time at that point, cause I was so young, it was

00:13:37.440 just, it was overwhelming.

00:13:39.020 I mean, I couldn't even talk.

00:13:41.260 You literally had to stop and I lost my breath.

00:13:44.480 I remember losing my breath and not being able to, to, to breathe for a second, just because

00:13:48.980 it was just, it was incredible.

00:13:51.380 You know, it probably just happened like that, like that.

00:13:53.660 And it was brutal and it was, and you just, you just don't even know how to react.

00:13:57.980 You know, it's, it's, unless people come out of their shoes when they get hit like that.

00:14:02.540 Yeah.

00:14:03.060 People do come out of their shoes.

00:14:04.500 People come out of the, yes.

00:14:05.840 People come out of their shoes.

00:14:06.940 People, um, I can traffic accidents are probably some of the most simplistic, horrific things

00:14:12.540 that you experienced for sure.

00:14:13.700 Um, and so when that guy gets hit, do you have to go render aid then?

00:14:17.340 Do you, there was no aid to be rendered on this one, but yes, yes, I can give you a lot

00:14:21.800 of examples of having, having to render aid in situations that were, um, you know, an example

00:14:28.640 being another simple thing that you respond to a drowning in a pool.

00:14:32.340 You know, we, I, I went one time to a kid that had drowned in a pool and you want to talk

00:14:37.700 about panic.

00:14:38.540 You want to talk about, um, adrenaline is you get a radio call, they give you an address

00:14:42.720 and I'm old enough now.

00:14:43.900 I'm retired.

00:14:44.440 When I started, there was no Google maps.

00:14:47.460 There was none of that.

00:14:48.260 Basically it came over a radio.

00:14:49.760 You had a little pad of paper in the middle of your car.

00:14:51.820 You wrote down the address real quick.

00:14:53.600 You had a, uh, Thomas guy.

00:14:55.240 Oh yeah.

00:14:55.480 I remember that.

00:14:56.140 Yeah.

00:14:56.780 Shit.

00:14:57.100 And 50,000 page Thomas, so many pages in there.

00:15:00.080 And then sometimes somebody would steal a page.

00:15:02.600 Yeah.

00:15:02.940 Well, they wouldn't steal them out of your page.

00:15:04.180 Right.

00:15:04.580 They would steal it.

00:15:05.060 It was a public.

00:15:05.660 Right now.

00:15:06.820 I can't go to seven square blocks of the city.

00:15:09.760 I can, even if I want to.

00:15:10.860 Right.

00:15:11.820 These ones we would mark up and tab.

00:15:14.220 Okay.

00:15:14.580 So that it was a little easier to access.

00:15:16.580 Okay.

00:15:16.680 So you got a little bit of like filing in there.

00:15:18.480 But you want to talk about having a heart attack.

00:15:20.080 You know, I'm trying to find this and realize this is a situation that's time is of the essence,

00:15:24.680 but you, you would get to these, you would, you know, lights and siren, the adrenaline

00:15:28.860 is pumping and you're going and you're hoping and making a wrong left turn or something

00:15:32.540 and finally getting to the home.

00:15:34.000 Um, and in this scenario I'm telling you about, it was a child, very young, had already been

00:15:40.420 this, it was deceased.

00:15:41.900 Um, when I got there for whatever reason, panic, whatever, no one had gone into the pool.

00:15:46.900 I think the scenario was the mother couldn't swim.

00:15:48.700 Um, so she was on the, uh, the step standing there, you know, got rid of the equipment.

00:15:54.660 I could jumped in the water, got the baby out of the baby.

00:15:56.780 It was very obviously gone.

00:15:58.300 Um, and, but even in that scenario, I remember administering CPR just for the optics of it.

00:16:06.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.400 You know, just to show I'm doing everything I can because you want to talk about pain and panic.

00:16:12.820 You know, you talk, you, you, you, you observe a mother, which is another thing that was,

00:16:17.580 that was frequent and, and very difficult to deal with is watching that pain and panic.

00:16:23.760 So I remember giving CPR to a child that was clearly gone until the fire department got there.

00:16:28.540 And they usually take a while because we're on the streets.

00:16:30.800 So we get there really quick.

00:16:32.280 Any 9-1-1 call comes in, goes to the police department.

00:16:35.040 They dispatch a cop.

00:16:36.360 Then they call the fire department and they come because we're, go ahead.

00:16:40.000 And fire department, you got to get eight guys on the truck.

00:16:41.900 It's so hard to get eight guys to do anything.

00:16:43.620 You know, if you've ever been to Vegas or whatever, you know, it's like you try to get

00:16:47.680 guys to go do anything.

00:16:48.700 It's like nearly impossible.

00:16:50.440 Um, wow, man.

00:16:52.820 Oh my God, Brad.

00:16:54.040 There's so many moments in there of like, you've gotten this child out of the pool.

00:16:59.720 You are like now almost returning this child to the mother in a way.

00:17:03.660 I mean, physically you're bringing, you know, like they expect you to be able to solve it.

00:17:11.440 Is there any of that?

00:17:13.040 Essentially?

00:17:13.780 Yes.

00:17:14.120 There's hope, you know, but it's really, it's the optics.

00:17:16.600 It's just, I'm doing everything I can.

00:17:18.380 Right.

00:17:18.480 Those kinds of situations, the panic and the pain is so overwhelming.

00:17:21.060 And that's something people don't take into consideration in police work.

00:17:24.580 It happens a lot.

00:17:26.020 There's a lot of stuff.

00:17:26.780 I can tell you so many scenarios like that where, where, you know, you're, you're, you're

00:17:31.460 doing everything you can, even though you, there's just not a lot you can do.

00:17:36.520 Right.

00:17:36.980 You're just, well, you're just a human.

00:17:38.400 Yes.

00:17:39.100 And, but people, what they don't teach you, at least they didn't.

00:17:41.440 When I started, um, in the Academy, number one killer of cops is suicide.

00:17:45.640 Really?

00:17:46.180 Number one killer of cops is suicide.

00:17:48.060 They just have a gun.

00:17:49.960 Yes.

00:17:50.320 So you're halfway there if you want to.

00:17:52.760 Gosh.

00:17:53.180 Yeah.

00:17:53.260 We had a guy that was in the police department right next to us, um, ended up getting to his

00:17:56.700 car and with his, the duty shotgun blew his head off right before he went out for the

00:18:01.400 shift was supposed to start.

00:18:02.560 But the number one killer is cops.

00:18:03.800 They never tell you that.

00:18:04.680 They never talk about mental health.

00:18:06.140 I went through the entire Academy.

00:18:07.460 They taught me how to put on a tourniquet, heal a sucking chest wound.

00:18:12.120 They taught me so many things, but they never made one mention of how to, you know, how

00:18:16.300 to work with your own head.

00:18:17.400 Wow.

00:18:17.700 You know, they never said suicide is number one killer of cops.

00:18:20.400 I think that's changed.

00:18:21.380 I know it's changed, but it's getting a lot better.

00:18:24.000 Um, but at that point there was no mention of that.

00:18:27.400 And these things accumulate, I'm giving you one portion of one day.

00:18:31.920 Oh, I can't imagine, especially like, you know, like I grew up with a lot of childhood trauma

00:18:36.420 and, um, and a lot of people have, right.

00:18:38.380 And it's really common.

00:18:39.660 And, um, and that is tough enough to deal with in regular life as it comes up later and

00:18:45.980 you realize there's ways that it affects you as an adult.

00:18:48.380 Right.

00:18:48.740 I can't imagine, um, whatever traumas you already have or things that could have happened in

00:18:56.160 your past.

00:18:56.740 And then you're now just engulfed in this, you're like a, do you feel like a dam for

00:19:03.780 trauma for people?

00:19:04.800 Like, do you feel like a reciprocal for me?

00:19:07.580 Yeah.

00:19:07.720 Because there's so many things and then you just have to go on to the next call.

00:19:10.780 Is there, um, it depends, you know, people don't take it.

00:19:15.060 It's just, there's no way to really understand all the things that you experienced just in

00:19:20.460 the shift.

00:19:20.920 Right.

00:19:21.320 Let alone over a 20 year career, especially if you're working different assignments.

00:19:24.380 I could tell you so many stories.

00:19:25.700 If you could ask questions, I'll think of something.

00:19:29.220 I'll tell you a story that Joe's like, holy crap.

00:19:31.020 You know, from the simplest thing of, uh, I had a, I had a old lady that was at a church

00:19:36.100 meeting at an El Torito, El Torito and Whittier, and she ended up collapsing.

00:19:40.420 She had a heart attack.

00:19:41.320 Um, and we got the call and we get there.

00:19:43.780 And by the time we got there, there's a bunch of old women that are in a circle and they're

00:19:46.960 Oh, y'all betting on her probably.

00:19:48.580 Well, they're doing, I think it was, they're doing tongues, you know, they're praying and

00:19:52.640 tongues and all kinds of craziness going on, but no one's doing anything.

00:19:55.900 And I remember giving this lady.

00:19:57.240 And at that point we had these respirators where you could, it's like a bag with a thing

00:20:00.620 goes over the face.

00:20:01.280 You don't have to put your mouth on them.

00:20:03.000 Well, I had ran in and forgot it because it was in the trunk.

00:20:05.740 So this is another woman that I gave CPR going back to more CPR stuff.

00:20:09.360 And she ended up vomiting in my mouth where my mouth was on hers in a way that it forced

00:20:16.280 past my throat.

00:20:17.800 So I vomited immediately when I came up off of her on top of her, the entire scenario in

00:20:23.960 itself.

00:20:24.400 Now I laugh about it when I tell the story, but it was just traumatic, man.

00:20:29.500 The whole thing was just traumatic.

00:20:30.700 They ended up passing.

00:20:31.940 They transported some, but the whole situations, I'm giving you minor ones, you know?

00:20:36.620 Right.

00:20:36.920 Well, yeah, I'm sure she vomits into you, you vomit into her.

00:20:39.820 I mean, I think that's a honor.

00:20:41.360 Yeah.

00:20:41.480 That's a wedding in some countries.

00:20:43.380 I feel like, you know, I don't know what some of the rituals are, but I think if you're

00:20:46.740 in like Laos or something that you guys are, you guys are itched.

00:20:50.720 But she, she, so she came back at that moment and survived for that moment.

00:20:55.180 Uh, fire department got there.

00:20:57.140 Apparently she had a pulse when she left.

00:20:58.380 So I was feeling pretty good, but I found at the end of the ship that she had passed, but

00:21:01.240 um, there's so many.

00:21:02.740 So tell me, give me a call.

00:21:04.260 Like, give me the first call where you have to go into a play.

00:21:06.740 Like, what's it like when you have to walk up with your weapon out?

00:21:09.440 That has to seem crazy because then you're like saying, okay, I'm in control.

00:21:13.920 It gives other people a sense that you're in control of everything.

00:21:18.800 Um, I guess it does.

00:21:20.860 Things have changed.

00:21:22.160 You know, um, things have changed for law enforcement.

00:21:24.920 When I first started, I started right at the, right at the Rodney King time.

00:21:30.100 Okay.

00:21:30.740 That's, that's right when I started.

00:21:31.900 So when I got into law enforcement and I was a rookie, things were starting to change.

00:21:38.300 They were, you know, people, people want the world police.

00:21:41.680 They just don't want to know how it's policed.

00:21:43.400 That's true.

00:21:44.140 And as with technology, there's come the ability to see more of what policing is.

00:21:49.040 Um, and at that point with the Rodney King thing, things started, started to change in

00:21:55.600 law enforcement.

00:21:56.260 They started to change the process because police work was really hard to look at.

00:22:02.540 You know what I mean?

00:22:03.300 And that dissemination of that information wasn't very prevalent because you didn't have

00:22:07.160 social media, podcasts, and all the different things that we have now.

00:22:10.420 So when I started, it really started to change as far as how we address things.

00:22:16.860 You always hear people complain about, oh, he gave me a traffic ticket.

00:22:19.960 When he walked up to the car, he had his hand on his gun, you know?

00:22:23.120 And, and that is, that is just a routine part of your training is that you, you have no idea

00:22:28.440 what you're walking up to.

00:22:29.640 You walk up to some, you pull someone over for speeding and you walk up to their car.

00:22:33.260 You have no idea what you're walking up to.

00:22:35.000 You don't know who it is.

00:22:35.980 You don't know what they've done.

00:22:36.960 You don't know where they came from.

00:22:38.380 You have no idea what's going on.

00:22:40.500 And we had an officer that did a traffic stop and there was a body in the trunk.

00:22:43.220 Oh, wow.

00:22:44.020 You know, he didn't even, he gave the ticket and left.

00:22:46.000 The only reason we found that out is he got pulled over again.

00:22:47.900 They found this ticket going, this guy's got pulled over an hour ago and they ended up

00:22:50.860 finding the body in the trunk.

00:22:51.960 So the first guy didn't find the body?

00:22:53.160 No.

00:22:53.520 Oh.

00:22:54.200 No.

00:22:54.620 So the guy thought he got away, but he got pulled over again.

00:22:57.440 But the whole gun concept of it is, is things happen fast, man.

00:23:02.680 Yeah.

00:23:02.940 Things happen fast.

00:23:03.960 You know, you, you, you, you will die in a hundredth of a second.

00:23:07.060 You know, people don't realize that that's how you put your hands on, on the steering

00:23:10.580 wheel, yada, yada, all the things that we say for our safety.

00:23:14.040 And there's this expectation by the public of, if someone comes at you with a baseball

00:23:18.480 bat, high as a kite, sweating the shirt off, crazy as, you know, and the expectation of

00:23:23.660 the public is, is, well, you got to get a baseball bat and you got to fight them with

00:23:26.180 a baseball bat.

00:23:27.080 Right.

00:23:27.460 It's got to be fair.

00:23:28.240 You know, you, you shot him.

00:23:30.160 All you had was a baseball bat.

00:23:31.940 And for me, guys that are cops, you hear that and you just go, that's insane.

00:23:36.060 Do you really have an expectation of me to get in a baseball bat fight?

00:23:39.680 Yeah.

00:23:40.400 You know, I'm not here.

00:23:42.000 The only thing a cop's trying to do is trying to stop the situation.

00:23:44.660 He's trying to eliminate the threat.

00:23:46.040 Right.

00:23:46.360 If there's some dude roving around with a baseball bat, I think you got to take him out

00:23:51.240 the game.

00:23:52.740 Depending on the scenario, like anybody, if you're in your home and someone breaks into

00:23:56.420 your home, you still have an, someone breaks in your home in the middle of the night today,

00:23:59.300 you still have an obligation to prove that you were in fear for your life.

00:24:03.700 Wow.

00:24:04.320 So if there's some guy standing in your bedroom and you wake up and you look and there's

00:24:07.180 a guy standing there and you grab your gun and you eliminate the threat, you're still

00:24:11.800 going to go to court and they're still going to try to prove that you were not in fear for

00:24:15.420 your life.

00:24:16.780 Who's going to try to prove that?

00:24:17.840 Is that more lawyers or is that more the actual criminal?

00:24:21.280 Cause he doesn't want to go to jail.

00:24:22.980 Um, it's going to go, it's just a whole process.

00:24:24.900 It's gonna go to the detective.

00:24:25.800 Detectives can take it to the district attorney.

00:24:27.220 District attorney is going to take a look at it and make a decision.

00:24:29.080 Is this something that we is, again, did this guy violate the law?

00:24:32.340 Was he justified?

00:24:33.680 Was he justified shooting this individual?

00:24:36.320 So in that process, they'll look at it.

00:24:38.260 You know, where, where was he shot?

00:24:39.360 Was he shot in the back?

00:24:40.200 Was he shot?

00:24:41.460 Which there's an argument for that.

00:24:42.740 Someone breaks into your house.

00:24:43.520 You see them, you're scared.

00:24:44.420 They take off running.

00:24:45.100 You chase after them with a gun and you end up shooting at them in the living room as they're

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00:24:49.740 You're, you're all of a sudden you're up for murder to a point, you know?

00:24:53.500 Yeah.

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00:24:56.980 What if he comes back?

00:24:57.760 I'll never be able to sleep again.

00:24:58.880 You know what I mean?

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00:27:31.900 Now, can we carry guns in California?

00:27:35.500 If you have a CCW.

00:27:37.100 Okay.

00:27:37.580 Yeah.

00:27:38.000 How do we know if we have that or not?

00:27:39.700 You have to get it.

00:27:40.380 It's like a license.

00:27:41.360 It's like a fishing license, you know, a little more complex.

00:27:43.820 California's tough.

00:27:44.760 California's tough to get a CCW.

00:27:46.140 You go to Texas, it's a lot easier.

00:27:47.620 Yeah.

00:27:48.080 And the logic behind that is, um, like I personally believe, I know the big debate right now is guns.

00:27:54.240 No guns.

00:27:54.720 Get rid of guns.

00:27:55.660 Ship, that ship has sailed.

00:27:57.020 Right.

00:27:57.400 We can't get rid of guns.

00:27:58.480 Right.

00:27:58.940 And if we did do that, we said, bring all your guns in.

00:28:01.680 The only guys that are bringing their guns are guys like me.

00:28:03.720 Yeah.

00:28:04.360 You know, the bad guys ain't bringing their guns.

00:28:05.700 No.

00:28:06.380 So that ship is completely sailed.

00:28:08.040 So the idea for me is I feel like we need more guns.

00:28:11.000 I think we need more guns in good people's hands.

00:28:13.380 Wow.

00:28:13.960 So how do you know then?

00:28:16.040 Do you like do, like how, wouldn't you say good people?

00:28:20.420 And do we need all types of guns?

00:28:22.420 Like you see these young kids or, you know, a lot of these school shooters, you see people getting guns

00:28:26.820 like these, uh, high powered rifles and stuff.

00:28:30.120 I, for me, I feel like if you haven't served with that gun, like militarily, I feel like you shouldn't be able to have access to that gun.

00:28:40.200 Right.

00:28:41.080 Like, cause at least then there's some, you're at least putting in the hands of maybe someone that has some semblance of, of purpose, knows how to use it.

00:28:51.880 I guess, I don't know for some reason that helps me a little bit.

00:28:54.900 Think about that kind of stuff.

00:28:56.060 But to think that like someone needs an assault rifle, like a 20 year old, it just seems, that seems crazy to me.

00:29:03.440 You know what?

00:29:04.060 It does to me too.

00:29:05.060 I, I'm not a, I'm not a gun guy.

00:29:06.720 Um, since I retired, I've got some guns that my dad had since he's passing the safe.

00:29:11.100 I got my one gun.

00:29:11.940 I carried on duty.

00:29:12.500 I don't have any more.

00:29:13.740 Uh, obviously a lot of cops are gun guys.

00:29:15.960 A lot of guys have AR 15s, you know, you name it.

00:29:19.740 MP5s all the way down.

00:29:20.580 I don't, I don't see the necessity for them.

00:29:23.740 Again, you're going back to the problem.

00:29:25.420 The problem is, is we can't get rid of them because all we'll be doing is taking them from the good people.

00:29:31.180 Right.

00:29:31.620 And now we've got a whole bunch of, and when I say bad people, just people that would use that gun in a negative way.

00:29:39.020 Right.

00:29:39.700 You know, and the commission of crimes or whatever.

00:29:41.620 So again, that ship has sailed.

00:29:44.120 I, I'm not a hunter.

00:29:45.660 I can't imagine killing anything.

00:29:47.260 I even have a hard time fishing, you know, I just, I'm, I'm not that guy, but their justification always is hunting.

00:29:53.780 Is it necessary?

00:29:54.400 No.

00:29:54.720 But I mean, it's, it's a waste of time.

00:29:56.640 The ship sailed, you know, we just have to deal with what we have now.

00:29:59.160 There's no collecting guns, not in this country.

00:30:02.120 Yeah, I agree.

00:30:02.560 It seems, um, it just seems almost like a battle cry that people, it almost seems like people didn't use it to just incite.

00:30:10.740 Like it's a nice dream.

00:30:12.460 Yes.

00:30:12.940 But it's just unrealistic.

00:30:14.480 And also this country was kind of founded on somebody pulling a gun on somebody who didn't have a gun.

00:30:19.340 I feel like maybe, I don't know, I wasn't there, but if like, like troops pulled the guns on the Indians and then they were, I just wonder if how much of that really goes over through time too, you know?

00:30:29.180 Well, I think the big argument for gun nuts is, is that it's the government, you know what I mean?

00:30:34.240 To never allow that situation to happen again, where this power that is policing us.

00:30:40.380 That makes sense too.

00:30:41.660 Can inflict their will on us.

00:30:42.960 Well, that makes sense too, especially now with like social media platforms, like people, you can't even say certain things.

00:30:48.200 So people's voices have really been, I'm not saying they've been ceased because we have a voice here today, but they've certainly been corralled, um, and earmarked with expectations.

00:31:00.520 I feel like, uh, so at that point you're going to have a really tough time.

00:31:04.860 If people don't even have their voice anymore to take people's guns, you're just going to have a tough time doing it.

00:31:10.520 It's just a conversation.

00:31:11.500 It's a waste of time, right?

00:31:12.580 It's like, it's, it's, it's all, it's across the board, all those conversations, the, the big conversation now and racism.

00:31:18.200 Wouldn't that be wonderful if we can end racism, but we're never going to, it's always going to be here.

00:31:22.900 So we need to, that cry needs to change.

00:31:24.720 It needs to be a individual accountability.

00:31:26.500 That's the only, that is the only path that we have is individual accountability.

00:31:31.760 Yeah.

00:31:32.300 You know, there's always going to be bad people, you know?

00:31:34.440 Yeah.

00:31:35.220 What is that?

00:31:35.560 Is that your phone or mine?

00:31:36.220 Yeah, it is.

00:31:37.020 It's okay.

00:31:37.660 Do you need it to be on?

00:31:38.700 No, I don't.

00:31:39.320 Oh, a few minutes ago, it made that sound.

00:31:40.560 It made me nervous.

00:31:41.180 I thought I had a damn life alert bracelet that I forgot about.

00:31:44.960 Life alert.

00:31:47.780 So tell me this, tell me about, let's, we'll get back into some of this stuff, man.

00:31:51.340 And it's really interesting.

00:31:52.060 And thank you so much for, for sharing your inside information and just some of your insight,

00:31:56.700 you know?

00:31:56.940 My pleasure.

00:31:58.200 So take me on some of the drug stories, because that's the part that seems kind of crazy to me.

00:32:01.960 You ever roll up on some people and they're just yacked out of their brain, bro.

00:32:05.720 And it's that late night hour, you know, maybe there's some hookers lurking or something like,

00:32:10.600 because I've been there myself.

00:32:12.000 So I'm just wondering how we, I've never had it where the cops show up, you know?

00:32:16.000 So I'm just wondering, there's that weird edge though, where you're like, damn, a cop, you know?

00:32:20.300 I've had in narcs and out of narcotics.

00:32:23.880 I'll give you a patrol one.

00:32:24.900 Very early on, middle of the day.

00:32:27.940 I remember it was hot.

00:32:28.920 It was summer.

00:32:30.000 We got a call about an individual in the middle of an intersection naked.

00:32:33.860 So we drive down to the intersection and we're talking about a busy, busy, I had started in

00:32:38.880 South Central.

00:32:39.980 Busy intersection, middle of the day, huge, huge dude in the middle of the intersection,

00:32:46.920 butt naked, covered in sweat, ham.

00:32:49.660 Going in circles, which was causing in the middle of the intersection,

00:32:52.700 people to slow as they were going through.

00:32:54.480 So what he was doing, as they slowed, he would run up to their car and try to dive through

00:32:58.920 their window or break the window out.

00:33:00.760 Oh, wow.

00:33:01.600 And the people would panic and take off and leave.

00:33:04.480 This was back when I started and PCP was a big deal in Los Angeles.

00:33:09.740 And based on what I saw, that's pretty common.

00:33:12.360 Guys on PCP to shed their clothes.

00:33:14.540 And was it a, was that more of a drug?

00:33:16.800 Some drugs are for certain, are used more in certain communities.

00:33:19.140 Was it more of a black community drug?

00:33:20.580 A white community drug?

00:33:21.520 Was it more of a poor drug, a rich drug?

00:33:24.740 It was a black community, Hispanic community.

00:33:28.100 Again, I can't, I can't say that.

00:33:30.620 I know that's not definitive, but yeah.

00:33:32.020 But the problem with that, for me to tell you, I'll tell you what it was.

00:33:35.020 And that's what I experienced in the neighbors.

00:33:36.200 But I started in a black community.

00:33:38.080 I was in South Central and I moved on to Whittier, which was a Hispanic community.

00:33:42.500 So those, and there was, Whittier was a little bit more mixed, but predominantly Hispanic.

00:33:47.380 So my interpretation of any of this is just what I experienced.

00:33:50.620 I can't tell you much more.

00:33:51.900 Oh, I see what you're saying.

00:33:52.600 Got it.

00:33:53.080 So yes, it was very prevalent in the black community at that time.

00:33:56.060 They used to smoke Sherms.

00:33:57.040 They used to take, yeah, that's what I would hear.

00:33:58.180 I've seen it on movies and stuff.

00:33:59.720 They would feature that on movies.

00:34:00.940 I remember.

00:34:01.640 Crazy.

00:34:02.340 Wow.

00:34:02.520 That shit was crazy.

00:34:03.360 And that shit really died off.

00:34:04.580 It died off quick.

00:34:05.540 By the time I.

00:34:06.060 Were they marching or dancing?

00:34:07.440 Was there any kind of like fluidity to it?

00:34:09.700 Was it like capoeira kind of, or was it like just like a maniac, like a wrestler coming

00:34:15.060 into the ring?

00:34:15.820 Like, was there any?

00:34:16.600 Fucking maniacs.

00:34:17.540 Wow.

00:34:17.900 Yeah.

00:34:18.160 Completely, totally out of control.

00:34:19.500 Completely and totally being, for being conscious, they were totally incoherent.

00:34:23.860 Wow.

00:34:24.360 There was no reasoning with them and they were extraordinarily strong.

00:34:27.340 That drug would bring out extraordinary strength.

00:34:31.260 Yeah.

00:34:31.560 So when we pulled up and I recognized as I saw there, obviously there was a situation

00:34:35.560 where there was a threat to the public because this guy's trying to get into cars

00:34:39.680 and people are still trying to pass.

00:34:41.720 They're still trying to go through the intersection, even though there's this naked dude in the

00:34:45.720 middle of it.

00:34:46.500 So what I ended up doing is just driving around this guy in circles, clearing this section

00:34:51.180 with my lights and siren on and all that noise and lights and the confusion kind of kept

00:34:56.740 him in the middle.

00:34:57.760 It kept him in the middle.

00:34:58.740 He would walk a little bit, but I kept doing these circles until more police officers got

00:35:03.200 there.

00:35:03.780 And the good thing about Los Angeles is, is that when you call for help, there's so many

00:35:07.920 neighboring police agencies, sheriffs, LAPD, yada, yada, that they're there quick and a lot.

00:35:13.240 And we had a lot of police officers quick.

00:35:16.020 So what we ended up doing is getting out of the car and kind of circling this guy.

00:35:19.220 Well, now it's on because there's not a lot that we can do.

00:35:22.580 And this was back in the day when we didn't have a lot of, of really efficient, less than

00:35:28.040 lethal stuff.

00:35:29.520 Right.

00:35:30.060 I mean, they used to issue saps, which is crazy.

00:35:32.460 What is that?

00:35:32.920 A sap is a, it's a, it's a, it's a little leather club.

00:35:36.180 Bring it up, Zach.

00:35:36.840 Let's look at it.

00:35:38.080 Yeah.

00:35:38.240 It's a little leather club that has sand in it.

00:35:40.740 That sole purpose was just to beat on somebody.

00:35:43.340 Wow.

00:35:43.960 And they, police uniforms have a little pocket in the back of the leg and you put the sap in

00:35:48.300 there.

00:35:48.380 They even had sap gloves where you'd put them on and have the sand in the thing, which

00:35:52.180 looking back now, yeah, there's all kinds of different examples of the sap.

00:35:55.700 Those things hurt?

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:57.800 Those things are brutal and they're compact and they're, they were very effective.

00:36:00.780 If they were using the right scenario, it totally outdated.

00:36:03.320 They're totally gone now.

00:36:04.680 We've found much better ways to address situations.

00:36:08.520 But back in the day, that's what they gave you.

00:36:10.700 And how long was it?

00:36:11.820 How long?

00:36:12.140 It's like a couple of feet.

00:36:12.920 Oh, okay.

00:36:13.460 Damn.

00:36:13.700 About that long.

00:36:14.220 You know, something you can carry on you, but standard issue.

00:36:16.800 Even then it went to the baton, which some people still carry, but the baton's becoming

00:36:21.500 extinct because the baton is just, it's just the dynamic of the way it looks being used.

00:36:26.680 It's just ugly.

00:36:27.740 Oh yeah.

00:36:28.500 Yeah.

00:36:28.900 I agree.

00:36:29.260 The optics of it.

00:36:30.120 The optics is tough.

00:36:31.160 And my friend Chad got a job after Katrina.

00:36:34.160 They were hiring anybody to be security, right?

00:36:36.380 Cause they needed, you know, everything was unsecure and he only weighed probably 95 pounds

00:36:41.780 or something.

00:36:42.120 He was small.

00:36:42.700 I think he was like a premature baby or something.

00:36:44.580 I don't know if he was premature.

00:36:46.220 He was kind of immature, but he was, I guess he was premature or whatever, but he would

00:36:49.940 probably, he probably had seven months on him, you know, gestating, you know?

00:36:53.880 And so when he said, when they gave him that billy club, it weighed him down so much just

00:37:00.000 because of how strong he was that after like a week, it had like almost dislocated his

00:37:04.660 hip just walking around.

00:37:05.680 So he had to quit.

00:37:06.580 Yeah.

00:37:07.180 But, um, that's a tool that died really after Rodney King.

00:37:09.920 They still have them.

00:37:10.720 They still carry them.

00:37:11.460 They still train a lot in them, but it's just bad optics.

00:37:13.580 Yeah.

00:37:13.900 The optics of that went down after that.

00:37:15.940 Okay.

00:37:16.360 So go on.

00:37:17.100 So anyways, we, we got this guy circled bull in the China shop, man.

00:37:20.540 Yeah.

00:37:20.740 Yeah.

00:37:20.980 And this guy is nuts.

00:37:21.840 So now the situation is, is that, you know, again, police work a lot, even back then it's

00:37:27.320 optics, right?

00:37:28.340 You know, we, we, everyone's watching you right now.

00:37:31.020 So you, you not only have the dynamic of I'm dealing with a guy and if I remember him,

00:37:34.820 he was big and I'm a big guy.

00:37:36.000 And I remember this guy was big and it was just intimidating.

00:37:38.880 And he's high as a kite and he's sweating and he's growling and the whole thing.

00:37:42.740 So this is, this is not going to be a simple situation.

00:37:44.840 Again, didn't have the tasers.

00:37:46.960 We didn't have, we didn't have those things.

00:37:49.200 What about a net?

00:37:50.320 Didn't have a net.

00:37:51.420 Didn't have, there's a lot of less than lethal stuff that they're introducing now that we

00:37:54.900 just didn't have it back then, you know?

00:37:56.820 And, and I guess it was because it's like anything, it's evolution.

00:38:01.200 Right.

00:38:01.600 You don't need it till you need it.

00:38:02.660 Or you don't need it until whatever you had before is no longer socially acceptable.

00:38:07.640 Rodney King pretty much killed the baton.

00:38:09.480 It really did, huh?

00:38:10.160 It really did.

00:38:11.000 And, and it's, it's not a bad thing.

00:38:12.820 Yeah.

00:38:13.160 You know, they found better ways, but we didn't have it back then.

00:38:15.600 So now the situation was how, so we're gonna have to bum rush this guy.

00:38:18.200 We're all gonna have to go, go in and get this guy.

00:38:20.300 I actually had this scenario twice.

00:38:22.300 Well, in police work, the newest guys get the worst assignments, you know, unfortunately

00:38:28.140 in that scenario right there, it was a lot of age, different agencies that everyone

00:38:31.380 didn't know.

00:38:31.840 So I remember the Sergeant pointing out guys that were obviously new and they essentially

00:38:38.160 rushed this guy who's completely naked on a hundred plus degree day on the asphalt in

00:38:44.560 the middle of an intersection in Los Angeles.

00:38:46.500 And it was on.

00:38:47.580 Wow.

00:38:48.140 Man, I mean, it was on for a while.

00:38:49.540 Then, then once one guy got him to the ground and everyone gets in.

00:38:52.960 And even when you have, you can only have so many people involved just because of space

00:38:58.960 factor.

00:38:59.500 Yeah.

00:38:59.720 I mean, and even with having five, six, seven, eight, nine guys in this guy, I, it

00:39:05.180 took 15, 20 minutes to get him in custody, you know, to actually get his hands behind

00:39:10.000 his back and get handcuffs on.

00:39:11.580 Right.

00:39:11.980 By the time that shit's done, you're covered in all kinds of shit.

00:39:15.700 Yeah.

00:39:16.060 I'm sure.

00:39:16.620 You know what I mean?

00:39:17.200 You've been out there.

00:39:18.060 Yeah.

00:39:18.280 You're good.

00:39:18.680 Yeah.

00:39:19.000 And especially when you guys all go running at him, I bet it's like, it's almost like

00:39:23.020 spin the bottle.

00:39:23.720 Like the last thing you want to get is the guy who runs right at, you know, straight at

00:39:27.780 his wiener.

00:39:28.500 Exactly.

00:39:28.920 To be honest.

00:39:30.080 Totally.

00:39:30.660 The other scenario having that to make it real quick, we had a guy that we got a call.

00:39:34.740 Someone saw a guy looking through their window.

00:39:36.600 A little girl saw a guy looking through her window.

00:39:38.280 Oh man.

00:39:39.320 Yeah.

00:39:39.560 Keeping Tom.

00:39:40.900 Essentially.

00:39:41.440 We get to the house.

00:39:42.320 We get to there.

00:39:43.000 She shows us the window.

00:39:43.820 We find the window.

00:39:44.660 Below the window, there's semen.

00:39:46.540 Oh.

00:39:47.320 So this guy had been looking through the window at the little girl and, you know, doing

00:39:50.780 his business.

00:39:52.600 Yeah.

00:39:53.100 Masturbating.

00:39:53.720 There you go.

00:39:54.340 And so we ended up looking for the guy.

00:39:56.660 We ended up finding him in some bushes not too far away.

00:39:58.960 Again, white guy, creepy, tall, totally naked.

00:40:02.520 Yeah.

00:40:03.120 And his testicles were the size of a softball in purple.

00:40:06.660 And what we later found out is he had tied a kite string around the base of his balls.

00:40:11.800 And for some reason, that did something for him.

00:40:15.620 But what it did do is it made his balls really swell up.

00:40:19.140 Yeah.

00:40:19.540 And it was visible.

00:40:20.440 So you got a guy that's completely sweaty.

00:40:22.700 He's not coming out of the bushes.

00:40:24.480 You see he's got big, giant purple testicles.

00:40:26.840 Something's wrong.

00:40:28.600 Again, got all the officers there, circled it.

00:40:30.740 At that point, I was the youngest.

00:40:32.320 This was just our police department.

00:40:33.580 Yeah, boy.

00:40:33.880 So they'd go on in there and get this guy out.

00:40:37.840 Damn, what?

00:40:38.640 I had to spend about five minutes wrestling a dude that's naked with big, giant purple

00:40:44.860 balls and a kite string around it, dripping in sweat while all my peers and friends were

00:40:49.540 around me, pointing and laughing.

00:40:51.400 Literally.

00:40:52.160 It was crazy.

00:40:53.640 It was crazy.

00:40:54.800 And then at the end of it, when I booked him in, I had to cut the string off.

00:40:57.700 Oh, come on.

00:40:59.140 Can't put him in the jail cell with that on.

00:41:00.640 Like it's a grand opening or something.

00:41:02.740 Yeah.

00:41:03.680 Yeah.

00:41:04.340 I actually had to cut the string off and book it in as evidence.

00:41:07.220 Oh, man.

00:41:09.040 And did those nuts subside once you took that string off them?

00:41:12.240 I don't remember.

00:41:13.540 I don't remember.

00:41:14.260 That was the last, that was the only visual I was trying not to deal with.

00:41:16.860 You know, I remember it being very difficult to get those scissors in there.

00:41:20.300 You know, I did cut that thing off.

00:41:22.840 Can't give him scissors and tell him to do it.

00:41:24.720 It's a situation where you just can't do that.

00:41:26.800 Booking people was tough.

00:41:29.120 Yeah.

00:41:29.400 I had a homeless guy that I booked and you have to do a strip search on everybody.

00:41:33.980 No.

00:41:34.180 Oh, yeah.

00:41:35.100 You can't put him in the cell.

00:41:36.580 You can't put him in the cell without doing a strip search.

00:41:38.240 You got to make sure they don't have anything that they're going to hurt themselves or others with.

00:41:41.000 So every single guy that you arrest, you essentially see the crack of their ass.

00:41:46.320 Oh.

00:41:46.780 You see him naked.

00:41:47.820 You know, I had a homeless guy where I got him naked and squat and cough.

00:41:51.600 And when he squat, we have him turn the opposite way.

00:41:53.960 We have him squat and we have him cough and spread their butt cheeks to make sure they don't have anything in their butt.

00:41:57.900 Oh, yeah.

00:41:58.300 And he had heroin balloons all matted up in his ass hair.

00:42:04.500 Or he had to obviously put them in there to hide them.

00:42:06.520 Oh, yeah.

00:42:07.200 You know, and they're little colorful balloons.

00:42:08.420 That's how they would store the heroin.

00:42:10.160 They put it inside the flated balloons.

00:42:11.860 So we told him, you need to pull those out.

00:42:14.560 Pull those out.

00:42:15.400 And if the guy wouldn't do it, you know, fuck you.

00:42:17.240 You do it.

00:42:17.660 You get them out, which is a great move on his part.

00:42:20.420 At that point, I was a rookie.

00:42:21.560 So I had the assignment of pulling, getting butt heroin balloons out of this dude's butt hair.

00:42:27.880 Damn, that's that Colombian birthday party, dude.

00:42:30.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:30.940 That's crazy, man.

00:42:32.600 Have you ever had to get, how much drugs can people put in their butt?

00:42:39.540 I guess that depends on who it is.

00:42:41.420 We had a guy that tried to, in the jail, he keistered a racquetball, which he had slid open and put the drugs inside of it and then put it up his butt.

00:42:50.960 A racquetball, what is it?

00:42:52.680 A racquetball, you know, a racquetball is like this little smaller tennis ball.

00:42:55.980 Racquetball.

00:42:56.720 You know racquetball?

00:42:58.040 Yeah, I'm thinking about it.

00:42:58.880 It's just not registering.

00:42:59.760 They're blue, rubber.

00:43:00.660 Oh, yeah.

00:43:01.780 You got that into his butt?

00:43:02.900 Got it into his butt.

00:43:03.620 Wow.

00:43:04.200 Yeah.

00:43:05.020 That's relatively, that's, I think that's not relatively too big.

00:43:09.480 I've seen guys with Coke bottles that they put in their, a guy put a Coke bottle in his butt, but he, it was, it was open.

00:43:15.920 It was an open Coke bottle.

00:43:17.080 But when he put in for the suction, when he tried to pull it out, he couldn't get it out.

00:43:21.040 It formed a suction issue.

00:43:23.200 So we had to transport this guy to the hospital to have it in an emergency room, surgically removed.

00:43:30.140 Oh man, that'll make you switch to Pepsi, huh?

00:43:32.420 But also that's like that Sir Galahad or something.

00:43:34.840 What's the one where they try to pull the thing out of that?

00:43:36.620 Yeah, sword in the stone.

00:43:37.500 Yeah, it's like sword in the stone.

00:43:39.320 Pretty humiliating situation.

00:43:40.740 Tough ride to the hospital.

00:43:42.260 I fell for the guy, you know?

00:43:43.360 And you can't sit down.

00:43:44.460 That's got to be the worst thing.

00:43:45.380 He's on his hands and knees.

00:43:46.240 You keep thinking you can sit down and then every time you go to sit down, you're lost.

00:43:49.800 Humiliating.

00:43:50.220 Imagine having to walk into an emergency room, you know?

00:43:52.400 Yeah.

00:43:53.100 To get a Coke bottle removed from your...

00:43:55.480 Yeah.

00:43:55.880 And you have to kind of walk in like kind of...

00:43:59.040 Yeah, I would probably...

00:44:00.320 Yeah.

00:44:00.920 And if it's glass, huh?

00:44:02.160 It's glass.

00:44:02.680 Oh, that's so risky.

00:44:04.160 Yeah.

00:44:04.700 God, it's almost like that.

00:44:05.980 It's like Don't Wake the Baby or one of those games.

00:44:09.400 I feel like it has like a real game show element to it.

00:44:11.840 Yeah.

00:44:12.240 That is the most Japanese game show element to it I've ever heard, you know?

00:44:15.480 I feel like...

00:44:16.380 It's the thing about police work that people don't realize is that you're...

00:44:20.600 It's just the craziest shit, you know?

00:44:22.920 It's just...

00:44:23.280 Yeah, people don't realize that.

00:44:25.000 People don't realize that.

00:44:26.200 They don't even think about it.

00:44:26.900 They watch the movies.

00:44:28.040 There's an infatuation with police work.

00:44:30.040 You watch all these movies that you see.

00:44:31.940 None of them.

00:44:32.680 None of them really...

00:44:35.040 There's a few.

00:44:35.520 There's a show called The Southland, which actually one of our officer's wife was in the business

00:44:40.620 and she was...

00:44:41.840 Somehow involved and you could tell that someone knew about police work was involved in that.

00:44:46.060 But when you watch like Training Day and all the other stuff, they're great entertainment,

00:44:51.400 but people think that's real.

00:44:53.520 Yeah.

00:44:53.800 They don't know what it's really like, you know?

00:44:56.120 That's why these opportunities for someone like me to come and...

00:44:59.320 I have no ties.

00:45:00.020 I'm retired.

00:45:00.480 I don't even...

00:45:01.480 I want to do guys right that are in the job.

00:45:03.380 This gives me an opportunity to explain, you know?

00:45:06.380 Yeah.

00:45:06.560 This is what it's really like.

00:45:07.520 So there's an...

00:45:09.380 I mean, you just don't...

00:45:10.680 Any day, it could be absolutely anything.

00:45:13.880 It's like the levels of things...

00:45:16.880 It almost feels too vast.

00:45:20.360 It is.

00:45:21.420 It is.

00:45:22.000 It's every...

00:45:22.600 It was...

00:45:23.400 I loved the job.

00:45:24.820 By the time I got out, I had to get out because it just...

00:45:27.740 Your life changes.

00:45:29.360 I had a child and, you know, seeing dead children.

00:45:34.460 Just all the different things that you experience as life goes on, it starts to wear you.

00:45:38.540 It starts to beat you down.

00:45:39.800 That's why cops retire at 50.

00:45:41.980 It's...

00:45:42.420 You got to get out.

00:45:43.540 Mentally, you got to get out.

00:45:44.680 It's just too much.

00:45:46.020 It's too much.

00:45:46.660 The physical aspect's not that big of a deal, but the mental is...

00:45:50.300 You see everything.

00:45:51.480 I mean, I can tell you...

00:45:52.660 Gosh, I can tell you...

00:45:53.740 What about a jumper?

00:45:54.540 You get a jumper?

00:45:56.260 No.

00:45:56.620 There was nowhere where I was...

00:45:58.260 In Whittier, there was nothing that high.

00:45:59.720 Oh, yeah.

00:46:00.800 Yeah, Whittier's pretty flat.

00:46:02.320 I had a...

00:46:05.220 Here's a crazy scenario that we dealt with.

00:46:07.880 We had a call middle of the night of a female bleeding profusely.

00:46:13.000 We got to the house and this dude answers the door and he is a tweaker.

00:46:18.800 I mean, this guy is high as a kite, stereotypical...

00:46:22.620 Oh, yeah.

00:46:23.200 Fucking Radio Shack manager.

00:46:25.080 Totally.

00:46:25.520 Shirt off, tripping out, just came back probably collecting copper on his bike.

00:46:31.440 And how do they answer the door?

00:46:32.860 Is it always like, is there one common way that tweakers answer the door?

00:46:36.200 Like, what's...

00:46:37.760 No, not really.

00:46:39.080 They don't answer the door.

00:46:40.200 Usually, they just see the blinds open a little bit.

00:46:42.820 Bam.

00:46:43.260 You know, and you can see, okay, they're inside.

00:46:44.700 But this guy answered the door because he needed us.

00:46:47.600 Okay.

00:46:47.760 The situation was that he was with his girlfriend and they were both high as a kite.

00:46:51.860 It's like four in the morning.

00:46:52.660 And when we walked in, she's laying on the floor in the living room and there's blood everywhere.

00:46:59.120 There's blood all over her legs and she's holding an old nasty t-shirt on her crotch.

00:47:04.340 And this t-shirt is pretty saturated.

00:47:07.300 So, when we start talking to this guy in his, you know, in his tweaker way, he starts to explain to us that they were being intimate.

00:47:15.800 And during that, they had gotten the dildo, a really large purple dildo.

00:47:22.920 And he had taken a coat hanger, those old school metals coat hangers, and he had unwound it.

00:47:29.560 And you know how when you, like, if you're doing...

00:47:31.520 Oh, cooking marshmallows?

00:47:32.500 Cooking marshmallows.

00:47:33.440 How you do that?

00:47:33.860 Well, he essentially made it like that.

00:47:35.340 But he took the end of that, the pokey end, and he stuck it into the end of the dildo.

00:47:40.400 And then he bent that coat hanger so it was a handle.

00:47:43.860 So, he was using that on his girlfriend.

00:47:46.140 Right.

00:47:46.420 So, he was really...

00:47:47.320 He was going...

00:47:48.080 Yeah.

00:47:48.420 He was getting in there and doing what he could.

00:47:50.020 Yeah.

00:47:50.120 Yeah.

00:47:50.400 He was making it happen.

00:47:51.340 He was trying to jumpstart that cooch.

00:47:53.060 Yeah.

00:47:53.400 Yeah.

00:47:53.840 So, what ended up happening was, is those pokey ends ended up coming through the side of the dildo.

00:48:01.580 So, when he was doing it, he was essentially cheese grating her insides.

00:48:05.980 Bro, I feel like right now, my pussy hurts.

00:48:09.620 Hell yeah, it does.

00:48:10.740 To this day, it bothers me.

00:48:13.460 I don't even have a pussy.

00:48:15.300 Right?

00:48:16.480 To this day, it hurts me.

00:48:17.760 You know?

00:48:18.460 God.

00:48:19.000 So, when he described...

00:48:19.740 And when he held that...

00:48:20.940 We said, where is it?

00:48:22.440 Where's the item?

00:48:23.280 And when he went and got it and held it up, there was literally tissue.

00:48:27.680 No, come on.

00:48:27.700 God, come on.

00:48:28.040 There was tissue that was on the thing.

00:48:31.360 So, this was bad.

00:48:32.660 This is a situation that was bad, but...

00:48:34.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:35.020 That's bad, dude.

00:48:35.480 Yeah, that's as bad as it gets, right?

00:48:37.180 Yeah.

00:48:37.380 Do you press like a...

00:48:39.480 Is it like a button you press when it gets too bad?

00:48:42.720 No.

00:48:43.100 Who do you call when it gets too bad?

00:48:44.700 You know what you end up doing when it gets too bad, what cops end up doing?

00:48:47.120 They end up fucking joking about it.

00:48:48.860 Wow.

00:48:49.360 They end up...

00:48:50.020 It's a coping mechanism, man.

00:48:51.480 And it just happens.

00:48:54.100 And I can remember in that scenario, the hardest part in that scenario...

00:48:56.920 I had been on for quite a while, and the guy I was with had been on for quite a while as well.

00:48:59.940 In that specific scenario, the hardest part for us was not to start laughing.

00:49:05.200 You know, because it was...

00:49:06.660 You're right.

00:49:07.140 It was just so fucking crazy.

00:49:09.140 It was just so crazy.

00:49:10.300 He's standing in the living room...

00:49:11.440 Yeah.

00:49:11.880 ...with two tweakers.

00:49:12.700 One's blinked profusely.

00:49:13.720 He's holding up.

00:49:14.180 He's got tissue.

00:49:15.960 The other problem was is that we have a responsibility to render aid.

00:49:21.480 Yeah.

00:49:22.460 You know, civil liability is a big deal.

00:49:24.340 When you're a cop, at any given time, you can lose everything.

00:49:26.860 Because you fail to follow one part of your job description.

00:49:32.020 Rendering aid is one of them.

00:49:33.600 So I remember looking at the guy who had less time on his side going,

00:49:36.800 you know what the fuck you got to do, right?

00:49:38.960 You got to apply pressure, man.

00:49:40.800 And he's got to do it because he's younger.

00:49:42.500 He's younger.

00:49:43.280 Yeah.

00:49:43.700 You got...

00:49:43.960 Well, less time on.

00:49:45.120 Yeah, less time on.

00:49:45.940 Yeah.

00:49:46.460 So I was...

00:49:47.540 And that conversation, looking at your buddy and saying, look at you, you got to do this,

00:49:53.100 man.

00:49:53.420 And the difficulty in not laughing in that situation, the both of you, like your face...

00:49:58.940 And him looking at me and going, there's no fucking way.

00:50:01.020 There's just no fucking way I'm going to do this, dude.

00:50:03.200 And you're going, no, you have to do this.

00:50:05.380 Wow.

00:50:06.520 Luckily, we were able to...

00:50:08.860 We were having such a hard time dealing with not laughing that it went on just long enough

00:50:12.760 that we heard sirens.

00:50:13.860 And it was a fire department.

00:50:15.340 You know?

00:50:15.540 And at that point, it's like, yeah, this is all you guys, man.

00:50:18.120 Dang.

00:50:18.440 This is all you guys.

00:50:19.680 Dude, that's so interesting.

00:50:20.900 So there must be such bonds kind of that are formed out there between cops.

00:50:25.040 Are there?

00:50:26.920 Yeah.

00:50:28.300 Because I would just feel you're going through such insane situations, you know?

00:50:33.040 And it's so interesting that you guys use humor to cope because it's the same thing.

00:50:36.380 It's the same thing why a lot of comedians get into things, you know?

00:50:38.780 Things were traumatic or some type of way.

00:50:41.180 And so they used humor to survive.

00:50:42.800 You know?

00:50:42.940 I think it's amazing that Mother Nature uses that as like a governor on us, you know?

00:50:48.480 Yeah.

00:50:48.800 Where it's like, if you get so far, you just laugh.

00:50:51.360 That's it.

00:50:51.640 I think it's why the Joker laughs in the Joker movies.

00:50:54.860 Because at a certain point, he's just so mad that there's nothing left to do but laugh

00:51:00.980 at it, you know?

00:51:02.340 Pretty much.

00:51:03.160 The situations are so outrageous.

00:51:04.820 And like you said, as far as the bonds, please, please, there is strong bonds.

00:51:10.440 And I'm married, love my wife.

00:51:13.060 We've been together for 20 years.

00:51:14.220 We talk about everything.

00:51:15.120 My best friend.

00:51:16.200 My entire career, I never went home and I never discussed anything with her.

00:51:20.320 Literally never discussed anything with her.

00:51:21.820 There was never a good time to come home and say, hey, you know, I saw a fucking kid die

00:51:25.480 today.

00:51:25.720 You know?

00:51:26.080 All the things that went on during the day, unless it was like really light, I never told

00:51:30.540 her anything traumatic.

00:51:31.800 Wow.

00:51:32.340 Because it's just never a good time.

00:51:33.980 You know, why would I want her to experience these, especially as time goes on, these horrific

00:51:38.940 things?

00:51:39.720 So the only people you do talk about that with are these guys that you're doing it with.

00:51:43.920 And nine times out of 10, when you do talk about it later, it's just, it feels so inappropriate

00:51:47.960 because you're, it becomes a joke.

00:51:50.280 Right.

00:51:50.680 The most horrific situations, they become funny, you know?

00:51:54.540 And it, and anyone else that hears that, it's, it is a hard pill to swallow, you know?

00:51:59.880 It's a hard for the general public to go, why the fuck are they laughing?

00:52:02.960 Right.

00:52:03.240 You know, what's so funny?

00:52:05.080 You'll see sometimes on TV, I'll, I'll see like homicide scenes on TV and I'll, and I'll,

00:52:09.540 I'll, I'll look at, cause I'm conscious and I'm aware of this.

00:52:12.080 I'll look at the officers around and you do it for now on.

00:52:15.880 You'll see every once in a while, you'll see two guys and there'll be horrific murder

00:52:19.120 scene, shootings, whatever.

00:52:20.860 And there's be two fucking cops right there and they'll be laughing.

00:52:23.520 Wow.

00:52:24.040 You know, they'll be communicating together and they'll be laughing and you go like, oh,

00:52:26.740 dude, that's such bad optics.

00:52:28.520 That's such, but you totally understand it.

00:52:30.460 Right.

00:52:31.120 You know, the rest of the world doesn't.

00:52:33.080 Wow.

00:52:33.520 Yeah.

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00:55:18.660 Dude, and there's so much pressure on you guys.

00:55:21.540 Like, how, what was that kind of like?

00:55:25.520 What has that been like?

00:55:26.700 Like, the pressure that, here's a young man who didn't grow up with any amazing or special

00:55:33.940 skills, um, and now they're in charge of kind of being a jury at certain times, being like

00:55:45.440 immediate aid, going into something they don't really know what's going on half the time.

00:55:51.540 That person is required or expected to have all these answers, you know, and they have these

00:55:58.160 tools on their belt that some of them are lethal that they're supposed to use.

00:56:01.740 I, Jesus, man.

00:56:04.380 There's, there's a tremendous amount of training that cops get as far as all the stuff that

00:56:08.060 you have and how to use it.

00:56:09.420 Um, as far as, as far as the pressure, like I told you earlier, you know, number one killer

00:56:14.160 of cops is suicide.

00:56:15.400 Yeah.

00:56:15.800 Uh, people have always wanted, people want to go to bed at night and close their eyes and

00:56:20.640 feel they're safe.

00:56:21.440 That's the only reason we all sleep at night.

00:56:22.660 Cause we think there's people out there that are keeping us safe.

00:56:24.700 You know, there is a, that's a really good point, isn't it?

00:56:27.280 It is.

00:56:27.680 The second that the police are gone, somebody in your house is going to be, have to be at

00:56:31.620 your window, which is the craziest part of what's going on lately.

00:56:35.260 It's hard to watch.

00:56:36.220 I've escaped it.

00:56:37.080 It, you know, even after Rodney King, there was a push and I'm, I'm down for the push.

00:56:40.260 I'm down for everything.

00:56:41.300 Always getting better.

00:56:42.120 We can, in any, in any facet, we can get better.

00:56:45.740 We can do this better.

00:56:46.720 But this is a very complex job that you can't, you can't identify everything you're going

00:56:53.260 to come in, in, in contact with.

00:56:55.240 There's no way to be ready for everything that happens.

00:56:58.120 No, there's just no possible way in this job.

00:57:00.300 Right.

00:57:00.800 And a large portion of these things that you're coming in contact with are life and death.

00:57:07.100 You know, they're, they're moment.

00:57:08.980 They're, they're brutal.

00:57:10.260 You know, I, a mom walking with her child and saw a car coming.

00:57:14.700 It was going to run the red light.

00:57:15.720 She jumped back in the thing and lost her grip on him.

00:57:18.820 Well, lost her grip on him and he got hit and sucked up into the wheel well.

00:57:22.900 And, you know, you get there and there's no, there is no way to properly handle that

00:57:30.000 situation.

00:57:30.760 You know what I mean?

00:57:31.300 There is no, there's nothing that can be done and people don't under, understand that

00:57:36.300 aspect of police work.

00:57:37.540 You know, they ask a lot of police.

00:57:39.680 When I, when I watch what was happening, when I watch those videos of what was going on

00:57:42.960 and you see it, you saw it spray painted all over that ACAB, all cops are bad.

00:57:48.240 You, are you talking about during BLM or are you talking about?

00:57:50.600 Yes.

00:57:50.900 Okay.

00:57:51.080 Yes.

00:57:51.660 All cops are bad, you know, and I, and it was everywhere.

00:57:54.700 And there was just this, the concerted push of demonizing a million people.

00:58:01.380 And we, we've never really, we have done that, but we don't really do that to any other profession

00:58:07.200 like we do cops.

00:58:08.300 Yeah.

00:58:08.720 There's a, there's a, there's a ton of bad doctors.

00:58:12.700 Oh, horrible.

00:58:14.100 Ton of bad doctors just writing prescriptions.

00:58:16.120 Dude, I used to catch them all the time, man.

00:58:17.500 Fishers.

00:58:17.840 They would just, what do you want?

00:58:19.020 150 oxy.

00:58:20.760 Here you go.

00:58:21.260 Bam, bam.

00:58:21.540 Just killing people left and right.

00:58:22.900 You know, moralists all for money.

00:58:25.300 We've never had a concerted effort of, of, of demonizing doctors because the world feels

00:58:31.040 like we need doctors, but they don't feel that way about police.

00:58:34.980 Hell, they were saying, get rid of the cops.

00:58:37.360 Yeah.

00:58:37.560 That was insane.

00:58:38.600 Insane.

00:58:38.960 It's one of the reasons why I moved over to, I bought a house in Nashville about a year

00:58:41.740 and a half ago, just because I, I was pretty sure it was a place where people could carry

00:58:46.220 weapons on their own.

00:58:47.840 So I just wanted there to be, I don't know.

00:58:51.660 I know that there's people that like to hunt and I would rather have some of them be around

00:58:55.640 in case things get, or at least somebody, you know, if somebody rolls into a diner,

00:59:00.080 you know, with a, you know, losing, you know, with a weapon, there's going to be seven other

00:59:03.880 guys in there.

00:59:04.980 Absolutely.

00:59:05.480 Who are going to find a way to finish their fucking eggs that morning.

00:59:07.620 Which is what we were talking about earlier.

00:59:09.180 You know, I believe that we need more.

00:59:10.780 It's the only solution.

00:59:11.660 We need more guns and more good people's hands at all times.

00:59:14.820 Yeah.

00:59:14.980 More CCWs.

00:59:16.120 You know, I really, truly believe that's.

00:59:18.320 What is CCW?

00:59:19.740 Carry concealed weapons license.

00:59:21.820 Yeah.

00:59:22.060 Yeah.

00:59:22.120 Carry concealed weapon.

00:59:23.180 Yeah.

00:59:23.540 I, I, I, that's the thing.

00:59:25.840 Well, it's funny because it's not even, that is, I never even consciously made that choice.

00:59:29.640 Really.

00:59:29.940 I just said, okay, I need to be in a place where I know that someone around me can have

00:59:36.200 a weapon.

00:59:36.900 Yes.

00:59:37.320 And I can, if I need to.

00:59:38.860 Yes.

00:59:39.700 Yeah.

00:59:39.940 It was just a, it was almost like a subconscious choice, really.

00:59:43.800 Yes.

00:59:44.860 Which is the issue with, you know, the, the, the way the community, the way they've,

00:59:49.300 this concerted effort.

00:59:50.560 And there's all kinds of reasons why it occurred, which.

00:59:52.640 Of course.

00:59:53.020 None of us want to get in, but this effort to demonize these good people.

00:59:57.100 I'll be honest, man.

00:59:57.940 I, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I did police work for 20 years.

01:00:01.840 It doesn't occupy me.

01:00:03.540 I don't carry, I don't have a gun on me right now.

01:00:05.260 I don't carry a gun because I feel like I don't need to.

01:00:07.200 So police work is not, does not define me, but some of the best people I've ever met

01:00:14.340 were cops.

01:00:15.040 Yeah.

01:00:15.340 Just really saw.

01:00:16.460 And we came from all different places.

01:00:17.940 My, me, how I got there was much different than the way most got.

01:00:22.140 We were totally opposite.

01:00:23.420 Yeah.

01:00:23.540 There is a lot of guys that you see, you know, like they probably got their ass kicked

01:00:26.980 through high school and became cops.

01:00:28.940 But I found the majority of those guys, they were good dudes.

01:00:32.460 There was guys that weren't, you know, but within police departments, especially now they

01:00:36.880 really police themselves and contain or get rid of those people.

01:00:40.400 They don't want that either.

01:00:41.520 Right.

01:00:41.880 And a lot of cops are just really solid, solid human beings.

01:00:47.480 And, and the world just recently, they tried to turn on them in their entirety.

01:00:51.500 They did exactly what they said that, that is happening to other people.

01:00:56.220 They completely stereotyped a million people.

01:00:59.080 Yeah.

01:00:59.200 It's crazy.

01:00:59.920 Right.

01:01:00.340 Right.

01:01:00.580 They, yeah.

01:01:00.940 It's like people saying don't stereotype, but then we're going to stereotype this huge

01:01:04.420 group of people that are keeping us safe.

01:01:06.920 And now we're less safe than we've ever been.

01:01:08.740 Are we really?

01:01:09.260 I was going to ask you that.

01:01:10.020 Are we less safe than we've ever been?

01:01:11.360 Absolutely.

01:01:11.800 The whole idea of police work, when I started, the whole idea of police work in its entirety

01:01:15.700 was proactive policing, man.

01:01:17.640 Get out there and find crime before it occurs.

01:01:20.020 I want you to shake cars.

01:01:23.040 I want you to shake cars means pull them over, find out what's going on, find out what they

01:01:26.600 got stuff there.

01:01:27.000 I want you to frisk, tickle.

01:01:29.900 Yes.

01:01:30.380 And there's a whole dynamic to that.

01:01:31.840 That's always in debate of like, oh, he stopped me because of this, or he stopped me because

01:01:35.220 of that, which is, it's, it's really not true, but it's too long of an explanation for that.

01:01:41.080 But the whole idea of police work was, is to find the crimes before they occurred.

01:01:44.700 And now what has happened with what the demonizing of police and the way that they have unfairly

01:01:50.780 attacked them.

01:01:51.520 Like I said, the expectation is, oh man, he only had a baseball bat and you shot him.

01:01:56.460 Right.

01:01:56.520 You know, it's like, what are you talking about?

01:01:58.120 Like, this wasn't even a conversation that was stomped down a little back in the day.

01:02:01.200 That wasn't allowed to go very far because that's ridiculous.

01:02:03.800 Right.

01:02:04.200 But now guys are losing their jobs.

01:02:05.860 They're not just losing their jobs.

01:02:07.220 They're going to jail.

01:02:08.440 So now literally I still have my, a good friend of mine is, is the chief of the police department

01:02:14.880 that I worked at now.

01:02:16.420 And they're literally telling police officers in essentially, I only want you to deal with

01:02:22.740 what we have to deal with.

01:02:24.000 So cops aren't out there doing proactive policing anymore.

01:02:28.080 They're not out there actively looking for stuff because they're literally scared that

01:02:31.600 no matter what they do, the world's going to turn on them based on a video clip.

01:02:37.240 Yeah.

01:02:37.760 You know, or a concerted effort.

01:02:39.900 Once that video clip is seen of all these people in high power positions that have the

01:02:44.400 venue to disseminate all this information, to turn on them and say, this guy did this.

01:02:48.640 I can give you so many examples, which I'm not, but of P of cops being unjustifiably

01:02:54.280 tried and convicted on television, on television.

01:02:58.060 Wow.

01:02:58.680 You know, where they've said, this guy is a bad person and look at what he did.

01:03:03.940 Yeah.

01:03:04.300 Take me through one.

01:03:05.040 It's interesting.

01:03:06.020 Do you, because I agree with you.

01:03:07.420 I agree.

01:03:07.800 It's impossible.

01:03:08.400 How do you get all of the, how do you say all of these people?

01:03:11.040 And I wasn't one of the people who jump on that.

01:03:13.540 You know, I'm one of the ilk that it's like, yeah, maybe there's some bad guys here.

01:03:17.260 Maybe there's some people that are untrained or not trained well, but I'm not, I have always

01:03:22.840 felt like I've had a decent relationship with police unless I was doing something wrong.

01:03:26.280 And in that time, I didn't have the best time with them, you know?

01:03:28.940 And nobody wants to be held accountable.

01:03:30.520 Even a housewife that gets pulled over for speeding.

01:03:32.500 I mean, I've had, I've had women that look like mothers completely lose their shit on me.

01:03:40.380 Wow.

01:03:40.500 Just over a ticket, just completely unreasonable, screaming, yelling, cussing.

01:03:44.780 Don't you got anything fucking better to do?

01:03:46.860 No, there's crimes going on.

01:03:48.460 And that's just such an ignorant statement to, you know, we have to enforce all laws.

01:03:53.700 You know, there's reasons all laws are in place, but yeah, the, I'm trying to think of

01:03:59.440 one recently.

01:04:00.040 I don't know if you remember this.

01:04:00.960 There was a, there was a scenario right after the, um, the big incident that occurred, um,

01:04:06.360 where, I think it was like in Atlanta or something.

01:04:08.100 There was two cops and they were trying to take this guy into custody and it was a drag

01:04:11.960 out fight.

01:04:12.640 It was, they had the whole clip.

01:04:13.980 I mean, they were fighting and the guy ended up, the suspect ended up taking the guy's taser.

01:04:18.280 Remember?

01:04:18.740 And he ran and he turned back and he shot the taser towards the cops.

01:04:21.800 Okay.

01:04:22.860 That guy's done.

01:04:24.360 There's just, that's, that guy is unequivocally the justification for a police officer to

01:04:29.700 eliminate that threat is a hundred percent, a hundred percent unequivocal.

01:04:35.120 Because if you are a person, take, if you are a person, a job, a cop's job is to identify

01:04:41.460 a crime, to take that person into custody and to take them to before a judge and to have

01:04:47.100 them processed for the crime.

01:04:49.780 They're not there to administer punishment.

01:04:51.780 I think that's where the problem with some cops get, some cops get so, some guy spits on

01:04:57.500 your face, it's hard not to react.

01:04:59.480 Yeah.

01:05:00.560 I've had that.

01:05:01.520 My, my name is Brad White.

01:05:02.780 My name tag said B White.

01:05:04.260 When I worked in South Central, I had a guy actually come up to me and we were involved

01:05:07.760 in a scenario where I was investigating a crime and he noticed my name tag and he decided

01:05:12.760 to go on a tangent about it.

01:05:14.400 I see how it fucking is officer B White, you know, and didn't even register with me at

01:05:18.320 that point.

01:05:18.620 I'm all, oh shit.

01:05:19.480 No, my name is Brad, man.

01:05:20.580 You know, my name is Brad, dude.

01:05:22.400 Right.

01:05:22.580 You're missing the rad part.

01:05:23.960 Yeah.

01:05:24.320 Yeah.

01:05:24.660 Yeah.

01:05:24.860 Dude.

01:05:25.040 I, I actually got my name tag changed because of it.

01:05:27.300 I just didn't want to deal with that.

01:05:28.420 I'm sure.

01:05:28.900 Yeah.

01:05:29.180 I just didn't want to deal with that.

01:05:30.380 I'm sure, dude.

01:05:31.900 But in, in the, in the scenario that you saw with those, those two Atlanta cops, I mean,

01:05:36.980 there is just those guys, that guy decided that he was not going to jail.

01:05:41.820 Right.

01:05:42.100 And he was going to do anything he needed not to go to jail.

01:05:45.480 And that cop's job is, he can't just go, okay, fuck it.

01:05:49.100 You know, you don't want to go.

01:05:50.320 I'll see you later.

01:05:50.940 Cause now that guy loses his job.

01:05:52.500 He has to take this individual in custody.

01:05:54.480 There is no, there is no not doing it.

01:05:58.220 Right.

01:05:58.500 Cause now if that guy goes and does something immediately down the street, done civil liability,

01:06:02.660 civil liability and the cops are sued.

01:06:04.460 Cops are sued.

01:06:05.700 People lose trust in the police department.

01:06:07.440 It's just, it's a, it's a very difficult dynamic.

01:06:09.660 So those guys had no choice at that point, but they take this guy into custody.

01:06:14.140 And, and when you're in a fight like that, when you're in a fight where someone's fighting

01:06:18.980 a cop, I remember when I was a little kid, man, I knew if I run from the cops, I'm getting

01:06:23.160 my ass beat.

01:06:24.040 Yeah.

01:06:24.220 That's just how it used to be.

01:06:25.480 You know what I mean?

01:06:25.740 That's how it was.

01:06:26.500 That's my understanding of what it was.

01:06:28.320 But if this guy is doing all of this to get away, he is capable of anything.

01:06:32.500 When you're in a fight like that as a cop, your thought process is, is if this guy overwhelms

01:06:37.640 me, he's going to get my gun and I'm done.

01:06:40.820 Yeah.

01:06:41.360 It's over.

01:06:42.140 So immediately when someone starts really, truly resisting you physically, a cop's in

01:06:46.820 a fight for his life and the public doesn't understand that.

01:06:50.520 But if you're fighting a cop, you're going to do whatever it's necessary.

01:06:54.120 You've already just, you've already demonstrated that.

01:06:55.600 Already crossed that line.

01:06:56.260 Already crossed that line.

01:06:57.260 I'm going to do whatever it needs to get away.

01:06:59.320 So at that point, you're in a fight for your life.

01:07:01.400 So those cops were so justified, even though that guy was running away, they started to

01:07:04.760 chase him.

01:07:05.180 When that guy turned and shot that taser at them, there's no, the probability of them knowing

01:07:10.660 that that was a taser is minimal.

01:07:13.300 Yeah.

01:07:13.840 Absolutely minimal.

01:07:14.620 And they put that on TV and they demonize those two guys without any kind of a hearing

01:07:19.880 or any true information whatsoever.

01:07:22.300 And it was criminal.

01:07:24.220 It was criminal.

01:07:25.160 But that goes on a lot.

01:07:26.180 And if you notice, you never heard about that again because they, they put that to rest

01:07:30.360 because that was totally justified.

01:07:31.520 And all the powers that be that wanted to use that for their agenda, they even left it

01:07:36.640 alone because it became pretty evident really quick.

01:07:39.720 Once people started looking at it going like, what are they supposed to do?

01:07:42.100 You know, what is the scenario that's supposed to happen there?

01:07:44.640 Well, and so how bad is the media in all of this?

01:07:48.500 How bad, how much have they become?

01:07:51.000 Because, you know, it's funny, like it doesn't even seem sometimes like the government is the

01:07:56.840 government anymore.

01:07:57.640 It seems like the government is this LLC kind of, or America's like this LLC of just

01:08:08.200 like corporations and capital interests and that media kind of controls a lot of stuff.

01:08:13.360 I mean, how scary is it to you guys?

01:08:14.940 Because the media, somebody puts out a clip, some group uses it to kind of push their narrative

01:08:20.920 or something like that.

01:08:22.740 Um, and then you got, and then police are like, what are we supposed to do?

01:08:29.000 You know, it almost doesn't leave you a place to do anything.

01:08:31.660 You know, is the media like, does it sometimes feel like the media is not on your side?

01:08:36.780 Um, yeah, man, you're going into a whole thing recently that just seems like it's to be such

01:08:40.960 a drawn out topic, but yeah, what's going on now.

01:08:43.640 I never really dealt with again.

01:08:45.600 I, I never had a scenario where it was so high profile that I was dealing with the media on a

01:08:52.920 personal level and have all knowledge of exactly what happened.

01:08:55.280 Um, but it does, it definitely appears like the media right now is using a million people.

01:09:03.600 There's about a million cops, I think in America as, as a tool, as a tool, you know,

01:09:09.020 they're definitely using it and, and people don't ever stop and think that's just a dude

01:09:13.100 that needed a job that got into this career.

01:09:16.220 That's making a living that goes home and has a family is just trying to get back alive

01:09:21.520 and is dealing with crazy shit all fucking day.

01:09:23.640 And he's been great deal with crazy shit for like 15 years.

01:09:27.000 Why are we allowing this?

01:09:28.840 Why are we allowing this to happen?

01:09:30.760 You know, but nobody wants to be the person that stands and raises their hand because

01:09:34.560 that's, that's the next guy.

01:09:36.580 So yeah, I, I'm not a media fan.

01:09:38.800 I imagine most of America is not a media fan at this point.

01:09:41.620 You know?

01:09:41.820 Yeah.

01:09:42.060 I think so too.

01:09:42.880 Look, it's one of the reasons why we've been able to start like tertiary media things like

01:09:47.080 this, you know, because mainstream, it was just too, too biased.

01:09:52.520 It's so it's bad.

01:09:53.660 It's it.

01:09:54.140 They give to the news got away from telling you what happened and now they give you their

01:09:59.020 opinion on what happened.

01:10:00.580 And it's based on who that guy is and who's paying that guy or whatever.

01:10:04.900 So, and it's based a lot of times by people that have grown up in a hypothetical, comfortable

01:10:08.720 type of environment where they've never really need, you know, like they've never needed

01:10:14.200 a cop, really.

01:10:15.040 They've never, you know, except to maybe serve like a divorce paper.

01:10:17.860 They've never need, like they've never really been in an environment where it's like, okay,

01:10:22.320 this is what life is kind of really like for other people.

01:10:25.860 You know, um, people got no idea what's going on.

01:10:29.240 People have no idea what's going on in the world.

01:10:32.020 Again, most cops are cynical and calloused.

01:10:35.580 And there's a fucking reason for it, man, because you spend 20, 30 years of going and

01:10:40.680 dealing with the world shit.

01:10:42.740 But every single day you really start getting convinced, world's fucked up, man.

01:10:49.340 This is a bad place.

01:10:51.020 You know, I, I, I had a young, through my process, I had a baby and I, I, I still to this day

01:10:56.140 go, how could, how could I, how selfish was it for me to have a kid?

01:11:00.520 How selfish is that?

01:11:01.820 I know what a shit world this is.

01:11:03.640 I know what he's going to face.

01:11:05.040 I know what could possibly happen.

01:11:06.420 I know what walks the earth.

01:11:08.460 It was so selfish.

01:11:10.020 I wanted a kid so bad.

01:11:11.420 I did it for me.

01:11:12.080 And I never even took into consideration what I've done.

01:11:15.580 I, he's going to have to, who knows what's going to happen to him.

01:11:18.420 Well, I'll tell you one thing that could happen to him.

01:11:20.280 If you're a good dad, he's going to look up one day at his dad and he's going to love

01:11:24.500 his dad so much.

01:11:26.160 And he doesn't get to do that if you don't have him.

01:11:29.180 So that's pretty cool.

01:11:30.500 Yes.

01:11:30.840 Yes.

01:11:31.200 And it will be for him.

01:11:32.160 I'm just going to be one answer.

01:11:33.180 Yeah.

01:11:33.400 I feel you though.

01:11:34.200 Yeah.

01:11:34.600 Yeah.

01:11:34.860 And I'm not judging what you're saying.

01:11:36.140 I'm just kind of sharing another, I'm trying to share something that makes you

01:11:39.600 think positively about it too.

01:11:40.840 I'm sure it's amazing being a dad, but yeah, I could imagine that you're like, what, what

01:11:45.060 am I bringing somebody really into?

01:11:47.240 Because this world to me is tough.

01:11:49.540 This world is ugly.

01:11:50.580 This world, you don't, like I said, you don't know what's behind those doors.

01:11:53.840 Cops every day get invited into people's homes uninvited.

01:11:57.180 Yeah.

01:11:57.660 You, you have never been in the home besides a party where people didn't want you there.

01:12:02.480 We would go every day into people's home that didn't want us there and they had no

01:12:06.100 choice.

01:12:06.400 So every day we're walking into environments that normal people don't go into.

01:12:10.080 And is it weird, right?

01:12:10.840 When you walk in, like, where do you stand in the room?

01:12:12.780 That's what I always feel like.

01:12:13.480 Sometimes I'm looking at cops.

01:12:14.340 I'm like, it always seemed like, I don't know where I like what I stand here.

01:12:17.740 What I stand here.

01:12:18.880 It's it's, there's so much training, even in that aspect, as far as tactical advantage

01:12:23.160 and how you stand gun, leg back, you know, always being, they teach you to watch.

01:12:29.020 I went to so many behavior analysis class, uh, courses where they would teach you based

01:12:34.180 on the way people sit during interviews, if they're telling the truth or the way someone's

01:12:38.620 acting when they're sitting of what could possibly occur next.

01:12:41.740 And everything's tactical cops do everything for a reason.

01:12:45.860 And like they 90% of the time they want to bring people out of their home because that's

01:12:50.380 their environment.

01:12:51.280 We don't know what's in that environment.

01:12:52.760 We don't know what's behind that door.

01:12:54.080 We don't know what's under that couch cushion.

01:12:55.780 So they try to bring them into the most, um, safe environment they pass possibly can,

01:13:02.840 which is usually to bring them out of the house.

01:13:04.320 Everything a cop does on a call is all planned.

01:13:08.400 It's, it's all in training and there's all a process to it.

01:13:12.140 Wow.

01:13:12.460 Yeah.

01:13:12.660 There's a lot, there's, there's a lot that people don't even, you know, there's a lot

01:13:16.200 to it, man.

01:13:18.720 It's really given me, it just gives me a little bit more of an understanding kind of, of,

01:13:23.980 uh, this should almost be a class.

01:13:26.080 I feel like in school when kids are growing up, you know, yes.

01:13:30.060 To have like a real, like, I don't give a fuck if I could spell, but if I had to

01:13:34.300 have an understanding of what the people enforcing my community, what their lives are like and

01:13:39.440 what my responsibility then as a member of the community could be, um, that would be

01:13:45.540 really, really valuable.

01:13:46.680 I feel like.

01:13:47.820 Absolutely.

01:13:48.460 I mean, even cops still need it.

01:13:49.840 I, before COVID, after I retired, I went in my, one of my close friends in the police

01:13:56.680 department, I became a patrol sergeant and it was a female, most squared away female cop

01:14:03.080 you've ever seen.

01:14:03.560 And you just looked at her and she screamed cop, great cop, good person, totally solid.

01:14:07.360 As time went on, she started to deteriorate mentally.

01:14:10.620 And because my generation had never been taught about it, we would, you know, you just need

01:14:15.760 to sack, sack the fuck up, you know, toughen up Thompson.

01:14:20.120 You need a cup of sack the fuck up and let's get back to business.

01:14:22.840 Yeah.

01:14:23.380 So we fucking harden that vulva, buddy.

01:14:26.300 That's it.

01:14:26.680 You know, and we would not, we just didn't know whether it was, well, long story short,

01:14:31.060 she ended up not showing up for work and she ended up killing herself.

01:14:34.520 She ended up hanging herself.

01:14:35.500 And I actually went to the house and found her.

01:14:37.240 Um, and with hindsight, looking back at it, there was so many warning signs.

01:14:43.040 There were so many things that she did when she was begging for help.

01:14:46.740 She actually came into the police department at one point and was hysterical and acting

01:14:50.200 crazy.

01:14:50.520 And I had a pretty good relationship with her.

01:14:51.700 So I told my lieutenant, I'll go out and talk to her.

01:14:53.460 And I went and talked to her.

01:14:54.040 And I remember walking in and going, Holy shit, she's going to kill herself.

01:14:57.260 She's so bad.

01:14:58.240 Right.

01:14:58.340 Like even thinking that, but it's almost like this passive weird thing that we just think.

01:15:01.520 I said it.

01:15:02.340 I said it out loud.

01:15:03.160 She's going to kill herself.

01:15:03.880 She's that crazy.

01:15:04.660 Things are that bad right now is what I was thinking and doing what cops did.

01:15:08.020 We made a fucking joke out of her.

01:15:09.020 I remember laughing.

01:15:10.420 I remember laughing and a week later she was dead, you know?

01:15:13.100 And so even with cops, they have, they have to learn about themselves.

01:15:17.960 I was going and doing speaking based on my experience from that and some other things where

01:15:22.720 I was going all over the United States and doing speaking engagements where I was teaching

01:15:27.240 cops just about mental, mental health, man, you know, knowing what can happen and how

01:15:33.620 it happens and how, how you're not going to be aware that it's happening.

01:15:37.360 And these are the warning signs.

01:15:38.440 Don't fuck around because you're going to wake up one day.

01:15:42.320 People don't think it'll be them.

01:15:44.260 And it is.

01:15:45.820 Yeah.

01:15:46.440 And it's fast.

01:15:47.160 Sometimes it is.

01:15:48.280 Well, I think we could be at this part in society too.

01:15:50.820 And in timeline of society where the receptacles we've been using to, um, to, to corral and

01:16:02.640 to, um, take care of like the drains, like the, the sieves, the things that are, that

01:16:11.120 are the things that were, that are the people that are taking care of us, like mental health

01:16:18.140 professionals, cops, it could be, we're at this kind of tipping point as a society where

01:16:23.900 it's like, we've almost, we've overburdened them, you know?

01:16:28.900 And, uh, you know, I don't know that, but you start to wonder like, at what point are we

01:16:35.940 just not able to be the ones to like kind of damn or help alleviate whatever, all this

01:16:48.120 kind of whatever trauma or whatever it is, this continuing pieces of pain that are alive

01:16:55.020 in, in the universe.

01:16:56.020 Does that make any sense to you?

01:16:57.640 Yeah.

01:16:58.000 It's kind of ethereal kind of, I think, I don't know what ethereal means, but.

01:17:00.920 I understand what you're trying to say.

01:17:03.820 I, they got to do a better, we got to do better.

01:17:05.880 So what can we do then?

01:17:06.780 What can we do for cops?

01:17:07.700 What are, what are we doing?

01:17:09.280 So you said that it, it's important.

01:17:12.260 It is important, but I mean, we're so, we're so far down the ladder as far as like that

01:17:16.400 question of what can we do for cops?

01:17:19.060 The first thing, just, just to get on the ladder, I would say, be fair, man, be fair.

01:17:23.580 You know, think about it.

01:17:25.740 It's a million, I'm estimating that, but I think there's like a million cops in America.

01:17:28.560 There's a million people, what we're talking about, let's, let's say a thousand of them

01:17:34.440 are bad people, a thousand of them.

01:17:36.660 Is it our duty?

01:17:37.780 Is it our job as police officers or would to, to identify those people and get rid of them?

01:17:43.580 Absolutely.

01:17:44.400 And I got, I'm not here, I'm not advocating for police.

01:17:49.900 I have no, there's no reason for me to.

01:17:52.700 Right.

01:17:52.980 Um, I'm being honest with you.

01:17:54.340 I'm not trying to say, oh, cops are this and that, but you need to be fair.

01:18:00.480 You need to be fair with cops.

01:18:01.620 You know, a thousand of them are bad.

01:18:03.840 Don't go into it with the thought process that you have.

01:18:07.860 Don't participate in what you're seeing.

01:18:09.580 You see people saying, you know, fuck the police or all cops are bad or defund the cop,

01:18:15.380 you know, find a way to assist in that process of going, no, you know, that's not right.

01:18:21.420 These are, we need to identify individuals and we need to have, and people, the argument

01:18:25.600 they'll have is go, well, we can't have, we can't have one bad cop.

01:18:29.480 You know what I mean?

01:18:29.960 There's too much power.

01:18:31.260 You know, we can't have one bad cop.

01:18:33.120 I agree, but it's also fucking impossible.

01:18:35.940 It's also fucking impossible.

01:18:37.320 Yeah.

01:18:37.340 It's totally unrealistic.

01:18:38.040 And especially a pressure to put on these people that already have so much pressure on

01:18:41.200 them.

01:18:41.520 Yes.

01:18:41.920 And it's not really probably going to change anything.

01:18:44.120 It's just a bunch of battle cry bullshit that doesn't really, in the end, is it really

01:18:50.160 changing anything, you know?

01:18:52.080 It's making us less safe.

01:18:53.560 That's a good point.

01:18:54.440 It's making us less safe.

01:18:55.460 So we do have that, dude.

01:18:56.360 I realize, I'm telling you, man, we're less safe.

01:18:58.100 We are.

01:18:58.540 We are less safe.

01:18:59.080 It feels less safe out there.

01:19:00.260 Yeah.

01:19:00.420 We're less safe.

01:19:01.540 Yes.

01:19:01.860 We are, especially here in LA, we are, we are much less safe.

01:19:05.560 Wow.

01:19:06.000 Because we have a double whammy out here.

01:19:07.220 We got, now they're, now it's shifting into where they're getting district attorneys that

01:19:11.120 are, we're, we're, we're, we're eliminating crime.

01:19:17.460 We're, we're basically saying that there is, there.

01:19:20.140 Right.

01:19:20.300 There's no crime.

01:19:20.980 There's no crime.

01:19:21.360 Like a crime isn't a real thing.

01:19:23.000 We're not going to press charges for it.

01:19:24.260 Yeah.

01:19:24.520 Like back, back when I was a cop, like if you went into a CVS and you shoplifted, we

01:19:29.340 would go through a process of, of identifying, did you go in there with the intent to steal?

01:19:33.740 Which is an easy process to do.

01:19:35.220 Where's your wallet?

01:19:35.980 I don't have a wallet.

01:19:36.800 Where's your form of payment?

01:19:37.680 I don't have any form of payment.

01:19:39.560 I have nothing on me.

01:19:40.360 Well, why'd you go into CVS?

01:19:42.660 Well, it's obviously a white white in the CVS.

01:19:44.200 You went in there to steal.

01:19:45.580 So now it's not just a petty theft.

01:19:47.020 Now it's a burglary because you went in there with the intent to steal, which makes it a

01:19:50.220 different crime.

01:19:50.860 Yeah.

01:19:51.280 You know, so it's a process of identifying people doing wrong things and, and trying to

01:19:57.720 get it to stop.

01:19:58.820 I wasn't a perfect kid.

01:20:00.180 I got arrested when I was a kid.

01:20:01.860 I got arrested several times when I was a kid.

01:20:03.400 You know, I, fortunately I came in contact with police officers that,

01:20:10.360 that were, that from what I remember, were just solid human beings.

01:20:14.820 And I had a demeanor because of the way I was raised where I was very respectful, even

01:20:18.780 though I was wrong.

01:20:19.480 So I had a really good interaction, even though I was being held accountable.

01:20:22.940 I went to juvenile hall, man.

01:20:24.500 Damn.

01:20:24.780 You know, I wasn't really doing any, I wasn't doing, I wasn't stealing or I was, my parents

01:20:31.860 were really strict.

01:20:32.420 I took their car.

01:20:33.360 First time I ever got arrested, I took my parents' car, you know, 15 years old.

01:20:36.840 Yeah.

01:20:37.100 You know, I wanted to go see my girlfriend.

01:20:38.760 I came home, went to bed and the next morning I woke up and cops woke me up.

01:20:42.980 My dad called the cops, had me arrested.

01:20:45.060 You know, because his, his thought process was, is now, now we're getting into shit where

01:20:50.940 I'm going to start holding you accountable.

01:20:52.180 And I used to look at it and go like, oh, dad, you're such a dick.

01:20:54.400 How would you do that to me?

01:20:55.080 But I look back at it now and go, thank God.

01:20:57.080 Because I went through enough stuff where one day I went, that's it.

01:21:00.400 I don't want to live like this.

01:21:01.980 Matter of fact, I want to do the opposite.

01:21:03.380 And all my shit was misdemeanors and I was able to get rid of it and go through the process

01:21:06.940 of becoming a cop.

01:21:07.680 But it, it made a big difference for me when you say like, how do we get rid of that one

01:21:13.620 bad cop?

01:21:14.840 They made a big difference for me where I was legally able to not make mention of the

01:21:21.060 things that occurred to me as a juvenile because I got it expunged, my record.

01:21:25.400 And it's clearly stated that you do not have to make that available.

01:21:30.280 Okay.

01:21:30.480 They do a whole background.

01:21:31.500 They talk to people and the people that were in my life at that time, thankfully didn't

01:21:35.100 make mention of it either.

01:21:36.080 So it was alleviated.

01:21:37.100 So I was able to become a police officer and it served me well, man, because I knew what

01:21:43.260 it was like to be locked up in an eight by 10 room for 23 hours.

01:21:48.220 Right.

01:21:48.380 You had some semblance of it.

01:21:49.680 It's a big deal to take away someone's freedom.

01:21:52.100 It's monstrous.

01:21:53.200 It's crippling.

01:21:54.060 You know, I was 16 years old and I did six months in juvenile hall for taking my parents'

01:22:00.040 car.

01:22:00.660 Damn.

01:22:00.980 That was back in the day.

01:22:01.980 You know, you can, you can kill somebody and you might not get six months now, you know,

01:22:05.300 but my parents said, we want the maximum, yada, yada.

01:22:07.420 But when I got out and I became a police officer, eventually I kept that.

01:22:11.460 Matter of fact, shit, someone's gonna probably watch this podcast and my buddies are gonna

01:22:13.900 be like, dude, I never knew that about you.

01:22:15.720 But it's just not something that I brought up because it made me feel, feel less, lesser

01:22:20.580 than the guys I was working with.

01:22:21.900 They had this, this lifestyle that they deserve to be there.

01:22:25.120 And I really didn't deserve to be there.

01:22:26.720 I just got lucky, but it served me really, really well.

01:22:30.760 I really had an appreciation of that process and what it does to a person.

01:22:35.920 Coming in contact with a cop, being arrested, getting put inside of a jail cell, being there

01:22:40.780 for 23 hours, you know, at a time.

01:22:43.400 I was a kid from Orange County.

01:22:46.000 I got put in a jail cell the first day with this kid.

01:22:49.400 It was an Asian kid.

01:22:50.480 I don't know.

01:22:51.880 Oh yeah, I've seen him.

01:22:52.700 Yeah, it was an Asian kid that was in there and we started talking about what'd you do?

01:22:55.960 And I said, I took my parents' car.

01:22:57.680 And this guy went on the story was, he was like a watching gang member and they were on

01:23:02.180 the run and they were in a hotel and they had a revolver and they had played Russian

01:23:06.320 roulette with it, with a thing.

01:23:07.820 And some dude ended up blowing his head off and they were scared because the gun was

01:23:10.960 stolen and they put them in the carpet and they cut the carpet.

01:23:14.060 They rolled them up in the carpet and took them in the San Bernardino mountains and lit

01:23:17.520 them on fire.

01:23:18.360 They got away with it for like six months.

01:23:20.500 Oh, but I shit my pants, man.

01:23:23.360 You know, I mean, when that guy told me that I was like, holy shit, dude, I was scared to

01:23:27.020 death.

01:23:27.460 Yeah.

01:23:27.640 Fuck.

01:23:27.860 I'm never working in flooring.

01:23:29.000 I know that.

01:23:30.140 But dang, no, that's crazy.

01:23:31.300 That's if you're in a cell with that dude, suddenly you're like, damn, yeah.

01:23:34.660 Especially if you're like, this isn't the avenue I want to be going.

01:23:37.820 Like if this is even the intersection I'm starting to meet up with the world at, I want to do

01:23:42.880 a U-turn.

01:23:44.180 Um, you were talking about local crime and stuff like that, or this type of break-ins and thiever

01:23:47.620 in a robbery, we had this thing that just happened yesterday at the Apple store.

01:23:50.880 Did you see this thing?

01:23:51.940 No.

01:23:52.860 And these are these smash and grab things that happen all the time.

01:23:55.280 Yes.

01:23:55.980 Yeah.

01:23:56.140 This is somewhere here in California, I think near Tahoe, but at an Apple store.

01:23:59.100 And it seems to be, and for some reason this seems to be like a, I don't know if this

01:24:05.160 is like a black, it's like a black culture thing.

01:24:07.740 It seems to be a lot of times this is kind of black guys.

01:24:09.840 I know that's a generalization.

01:24:11.300 I'm okay to make that.

01:24:12.540 And I don't mean that in a rate like black people.

01:24:15.000 I'm just saying, I don't know if this is a, like train robbing is probably like a white

01:24:19.460 crime, you know, like different people have sometimes different crimes in their cultures.

01:24:23.860 I don't know if this, yeah, I don't, I don't, there's no way to police this.

01:24:28.320 Is there, what do you do here?

01:24:29.560 You hear the people in here, like, are we supposed to do something?

01:24:32.220 What do we do?

01:24:33.060 You know?

01:24:33.760 Well, I do think we have gotten to a point in the world where we are eventually going

01:24:38.840 to have, to have someone with a gun everywhere.

01:24:42.320 I mean, I'm talking security of some type, right?

01:24:44.860 Like if you go to, if like, you're talking about like these, these, these shootings that

01:24:49.000 they have at schools, we could, we could almost alleviate that tomorrow.

01:24:52.340 We could almost take care of that situation tomorrow.

01:24:55.060 And if you go to Israel and you try to walk onto a elementary school, there are two highly

01:25:01.380 trained, highly armed military type personnel, usually more than that, that are guarding

01:25:07.740 that school.

01:25:08.420 Wow.

01:25:08.940 That you can't, you can't even take pictures.

01:25:10.920 They won't even let you take pictures.

01:25:13.000 That would completely alleviate the situation that we have.

01:25:16.400 If we put, I know they got like school resource officers, but it's one cop and it's big schools.

01:25:20.200 Yeah.

01:25:20.860 And that's just somebody fucking with a damn whistle.

01:25:22.920 I'm talking about somebody there who's trained.

01:25:24.620 Yeah.

01:25:24.860 And a couple highly trained, very visible.

01:25:27.600 If, if, if there was a guy right there with, with a gun, you know, that was in that store.

01:25:32.080 But for some reason, society is still reluctant to go that direction.

01:25:36.880 I understand that guns are scary.

01:25:38.340 I understand that aspect of it, but I really feel like it's our only solution.

01:25:42.600 You know, we could alleviate that situation.

01:25:44.620 How do we stop that from going on?

01:25:47.560 The only really way to do that is to hold, that's not the first time those kids committed

01:25:52.440 a crime.

01:25:53.060 No.

01:25:53.620 Nobody walks into a Apple store, starts ripping fucking phones off the thing with, with a

01:25:58.440 packed store.

01:25:59.160 Those kids have committed a lot of crimes.

01:26:01.060 And I guarantee you those kids have been arrested.

01:26:03.360 At least some of them.

01:26:04.580 Yeah.

01:26:04.860 And the problem is the accountability is so low.

01:26:07.780 Like my example, you know, I had the ultimate accountability.

01:26:11.560 There's no difference between me and those guys.

01:26:13.240 I'm not, you know, right.

01:26:14.720 You're both humans.

01:26:15.500 We're both humans.

01:26:16.300 You know what I mean?

01:26:16.760 And it, I was just held accountable, you know, and it changed the way I think I didn't

01:26:20.860 want that lifestyle.

01:26:21.760 We're not doing that anymore.

01:26:23.200 And people are seeing this on TV and they're seeing that they're getting away with it.

01:26:26.360 And, and it's influencing other people to do it.

01:26:28.800 I'm like, what the fuck?

01:26:29.680 You know, why don't we go do it?

01:26:30.660 I want a fucking iPhone 14 shit, you know, 40 iPhones and a computer.

01:26:34.420 And they don't have that guidance at home.

01:26:36.220 Maybe they don't have that.

01:26:37.440 That, that, you know, those parents that are willing to take the steps to change the

01:26:41.780 behavior.

01:26:44.140 Do you, so who would have to hire the, the, the security in that position?

01:26:49.560 Would that be Apple would need to, or would, does it become a governmental issue?

01:26:54.040 Because it's almost becoming more like we've ostracized our police departments publicly

01:26:58.620 so much that security seems like it's going to become a lot more of a privatized type of

01:27:03.880 thing.

01:27:04.220 Do you?

01:27:05.220 It's going to have to, you know, they can't really, I mean,

01:27:07.420 they do, they have mall cops that they're at actual real police officers that are malls

01:27:11.420 in some cities.

01:27:11.960 They have cops that are high schools.

01:27:13.520 They, they do what they can, but you know, it, it would require a lot more funding, which

01:27:17.860 I don't quite understand why there isn't more funding, but, um, they would have to be private.

01:27:23.080 It's not like Apple can't afford to have some armed guards at every one of their stores.

01:27:28.000 You know, and police would totally be behind it as long as there was proper training and

01:27:32.340 communication and we're going to have to go that route.

01:27:34.860 It's eventually going to have to go that route.

01:27:36.780 There's just no other solution.

01:27:38.420 Yeah.

01:27:38.620 I agree with you.

01:27:39.320 We had this.

01:27:40.000 What about these?

01:27:40.560 They had a thing I was looking at.

01:27:42.020 Zach, if you can find this, it was about, they were going to do robots.

01:27:45.320 This, um, this was in San Francisco, robot dog.

01:27:49.800 Yeah.

01:27:50.740 Yeah.

01:27:51.300 San Francisco will allow police to deploy robots that kill.

01:27:55.920 Yeah.

01:27:56.360 So basically they're going to, this is, this just came out and a lot of people were talking

01:27:59.580 about it, but the important distinction is that they're not arming them with guns.

01:28:02.940 They're arming them with explosives and they claim that it would only be used in the most

01:28:07.380 extreme situations.

01:28:09.220 Um, so they won't be armed with guns.

01:28:10.840 It would be explosives.

01:28:12.940 Yeah.

01:28:13.300 I don't, I mean, San Francisco police department in itself is one that I, what you're seeing

01:28:18.900 right there, take it with a grain of salt.

01:28:20.340 I'm sure it's completely irrelevant.

01:28:21.520 It's exactly what's going on.

01:28:22.840 I mean, you can see the title, San Francisco allow police to deploy robots that will kill.

01:28:26.200 That's a pretty absurd statement for what's probably really going on here.

01:28:30.020 Right.

01:28:30.600 Um, and the associated press put this out there.

01:28:33.020 This is crazy.

01:28:33.860 Yeah.

01:28:34.080 That they would also do this.

01:28:36.280 Again, they're pretty, they're about the most middle of the road.

01:28:38.340 I felt like AP, but I mean, you're right though.

01:28:41.120 So San Francisco PD in itself, my knowledge of it, um, is, is, it's much like their community.

01:28:50.020 You know, it's very, it's a very, um, hopeful, hopeful group.

01:28:55.000 Yeah.

01:28:55.400 Very hopeful group.

01:28:56.440 You know, I mean, they're okay with a lot of stuff.

01:28:58.660 They're, they're really okay with the idea.

01:29:01.120 Uh, there's, there's so many things that they do.

01:29:04.100 Let's, let's give, make really readily available needles for heroin addicts, you know, which

01:29:09.640 I understand the argument.

01:29:10.780 Safe shooting or whatever.

01:29:11.720 Yeah.

01:29:12.060 I understand the argument of it, but there's just not a lot of thought process.

01:29:14.780 Well, they wanted to give swords to homeless people.

01:29:16.860 I remember a couple of years ago, there was a thing about giving homeless people swords

01:29:19.740 so they could help defend themselves.

01:29:21.440 And I'm like, what the fuck are we doing, dude?

01:29:25.740 Homeless.

01:29:26.100 I mean, there's another great example, man, the homeless situation.

01:29:28.780 We have fucked ourselves on that.

01:29:30.920 We have totally fucked ourselves.

01:29:32.620 When I first started in police work, there really is no available answer for homelessness

01:29:38.380 because it's a mix of people.

01:29:40.480 It's people that want to be there.

01:29:41.860 It's people that are drug addicts.

01:29:43.300 It's people that are mentally, mentally incapable.

01:29:46.360 You know, we used to have the process where we would be able to, someone go, I got a homeless

01:29:50.880 guy and he's taking a shit in front of my house.

01:29:53.020 You know, we'd be able to go there, take that person.

01:29:56.340 And alleviate the problem for the person that's calling us.

01:29:58.640 We would take them somewhere else.

01:29:59.980 Let me take you to this park.

01:30:00.800 Let me take you where, where can I take you?

01:30:02.080 Is there any way I can take you?

01:30:03.080 Take it to, let me take you to 7-Eleven.

01:30:04.740 I'll get you some water.

01:30:06.260 I'll buy you a little something to eat, you know, and then you can go on your way.

01:30:09.620 And they go, okay, I'll do that.

01:30:11.800 Early on in my career, and I forget the agency, but a cop kind of did that where he took a homeless

01:30:17.880 person away from a situation where someone was calling, drove him to the edge of the city

01:30:22.140 and said, walk that way.

01:30:23.220 So the idea was that you're not my city's problem.

01:30:26.180 Okay.

01:30:26.460 And somehow some attorney got ahold of that information and decided that he was going

01:30:33.560 to take this to court because that cop took someone that had not committed a crime and

01:30:39.040 against his will transported him from one location to another, which is the definition of kidnapping.

01:30:45.980 So they ended up going after this cop for kidnapping.

01:30:48.480 So then what ends up happening by case law is it changes the process, the way all police

01:30:54.640 departments handle homeless people.

01:30:56.820 You know, there's no more doing that.

01:30:58.720 So basically they even made it worse.

01:31:00.400 Then they start saying, oh, you took that guy to jail and you left this, his cart full

01:31:03.800 of shit here, which is full of memorabilia, things from growing up trophies from when

01:31:09.580 he was in T-ball.

01:31:11.040 I wish it's usually full of shit, man.

01:31:13.780 I mean, it's just disgusting, you know?

01:31:15.500 Extra urine.

01:31:16.580 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 Socks full of weird shit that he chewed on and whatever.

01:31:19.820 And they-

01:31:20.100 Oh, glitter?

01:31:20.980 Yeah.

01:31:21.580 Whatever.

01:31:22.020 We saw a dude with a whole canister of glitter one time.

01:31:24.280 We're like, what?

01:31:25.660 Well, I had a homeless guy that was so bad.

01:31:29.000 And when we booked him in, his sock was, he had an athletic sock, you know, with the stripes

01:31:33.440 on it, filled with cash over $3,000.

01:31:36.060 Wow.

01:31:36.620 And he was sitting in a gutter eating dirt, you know?

01:31:39.560 It's just crazy that people were giving him money.

01:31:41.960 But they start saying that we have to book all their property in.

01:31:44.400 You literally got to take that shopping cart, individually go through it, itemize it, process

01:31:49.280 it, and put it in the thing.

01:31:50.060 So now cops went, oh, hell no.

01:31:52.040 Right.

01:31:52.360 I'm not doing this now.

01:31:53.580 Oh, hell no.

01:31:54.500 I don't have the time.

01:31:55.520 Right.

01:31:55.740 I don't want the disease.

01:31:56.880 You've made it totally unreasonable.

01:31:58.020 So again, society completely screwed themselves on how we as a society can help you with a problem.

01:32:04.100 If you had a homeless guy sitting out here in front of your door, that cop's in a pickle.

01:32:08.760 You know?

01:32:08.980 He can still do things and try to convince this guy to leave.

01:32:11.260 But all the real tools that we had, the real methods we used, the world got rid of them.

01:32:15.840 Well, why do we?

01:32:17.140 And a lot of times it's lawyers that fucking ruin all this shit.

01:32:20.340 Lawyers ruin everything.

01:32:21.400 Lawyers really have.

01:32:22.400 They've ruined everything.

01:32:23.360 Civil law has ruined everything.

01:32:25.400 Civil law has destroyed our country.

01:32:26.800 It really has.

01:32:27.860 And in America, they love civil law.

01:32:30.300 There's so many people getting rich.

01:32:31.820 Yeah.

01:32:32.140 They don't have civil law.

01:32:32.960 But the mental expense and the emotional expense of all of that type of stuff, all those rules, the laws, the impossibility of it, that the average human, the average American, I think, because this is really a lot of it's American issues.

01:32:53.120 I think we're getting to the point where we're at our tipping point.

01:32:57.220 A lot of people are on medication.

01:32:58.800 A lot of people are stressed beyond the gills.

01:33:01.280 We can't.

01:33:01.980 People are not able to have children as easily anymore.

01:33:05.600 Everybody's going through all this fertilization, you know, stuff.

01:33:08.160 I think there's tons of stressors.

01:33:09.560 I think we're getting to that point where it's a little bit at the tipping point.

01:33:15.700 You don't know at a CVS now if you are safe or not, you know, like I was there the other day in the makeup lady is now tussling with some fucking six, four man in there.

01:33:27.000 Yeah.

01:33:27.260 And she's just trying to, you know, make sure that this guy doesn't mash up her station, you know, like because the guy's running around taking stuff.

01:33:35.980 Right. And so then like you have people, they have to be enforcers now.

01:33:40.980 And she's just the makeup person in the photo guy, you know, it's like they shouldn't have to be enforcers.

01:33:46.500 So it's like and then the truth is they probably should just let insurance handle it or whatever, you know.

01:33:54.140 So it's like, I don't know, we've just gotten ourselves into this place.

01:33:58.720 It feels like a lot of times where the people who are supposed to be helping us, our therapists, our police, are the people that are kind of like add this buffer to society to make us stay well are kind of stressed to the gills.

01:34:17.680 It feels like sometimes.

01:34:18.760 Yeah. I don't know who's going to police the world coming up, especially now with everything that's going on.

01:34:22.320 Who's going into law enforcement right now?

01:34:24.440 Yeah. What's that been like? Has there been lower amounts of people going in? Have you heard or anything?

01:34:27.980 No, I mean, I there it's but it seems scary. Yeah, they've tightened the standards.

01:34:33.580 They made it harder because the world's going like, oh, you know, the police are doing everything they can to go.

01:34:38.280 We need the we need the best candidates. We don't want these problems again in the future.

01:34:42.660 The testing process of becoming a police officer is it's extraordinary.

01:34:48.160 I mean, it's really extraordinary. The tests I had to go through, you know, psychologists, written tests, physical tests.

01:34:55.720 I mean, there's just so many interviews, backgrounds. They went in my background. They went and talked to everybody.

01:35:02.280 No. Oh, dude, everybody. They talked to my ex-girlfriends and everybody.

01:35:05.680 I was just a good one.

01:35:07.100 And they also seal it. And they so you never get to know what they said, which is really you should get it when you're done.

01:35:11.600 Dude, on the way out, I knew where it was. And I thought many times I'm going to go in there and fucking pilf this shit.

01:35:16.320 But I didn't want to fuck with my pension. Who knows what they could do? You know what I mean?

01:35:19.520 But who's going to police? Who's going to do it? Who's going to take this job? I remember as a kid, you know, again, I think today I wouldn't be able to be a police officer.

01:35:31.320 Today they require like I got my degree when I was a cop so I could become a detective.

01:35:35.500 OK.

01:35:35.840 So I went to college while I was working. Now they really won't even talk to you in the hiring process unless you have a degree.

01:35:43.320 They're up in the standards.

01:35:45.540 And are they paying more?

01:35:47.180 Yeah, well, it's progressive. Every year it's like 3%. I remember being a kid. I was 21 years old. I was making like $60,000 a year, you know, for a 21 year old, dude, I was I was big pimping, you know, I was huge. I was huge. And I always shooting bullets in the air and damn catching them in my mouth, dude.

01:36:02.400 I always felt like I was being fairly compensated, I guess, because once I got into it, it was so exciting. I hated the weekend. I love to work. I couldn't wait to get to work next day because what the fuck is going to go on today?

01:36:16.260 That's how it was every day for a long time when I was young. And I always felt like the money was fair. You know, just give you an idea. California is the highest paid police officers in the world.

01:36:27.720 They just wow. They're also the most trained. And I'm sure there's somebody that's going to disagree with that from somewhere else. But it just it is.

01:36:33.980 OK, that's why a lot of the stuff you see, you'll see like in no bang on Kentucky, but some police officer in a place like Kentucky, you know, doing something stupid. You're going like, that's crazy.

01:36:44.660 The show cops. Yeah, I actually had cops ride with me. You did. I did have cops ride with me.

01:36:48.700 It's you'd be interested in how that goes, how that process is to get one. We're going to talk about that in a minute. Remember that, Zach, so we don't forget that the you watch.

01:36:57.600 I watch cops a lot of times. It's like, oh, my God, I can't believe what this guy's doing. You know, their tacticals and their tactics and all that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah.

01:37:04.000 But I just don't know. I don't know what it's going to be like, because I do feel like you need to pull as many people from different aspects of society just to have that rounded structure of, of, you know, I had a lot of compassion for the arrest process for people going into it.

01:37:22.240 This guy doesn't understand that he's a good dude. He's doing the right thing, but he has no idea the impact of taking someone, putting them in handcuffs, putting them into a cage, putting them in a cage.

01:37:32.380 The guy had to go to work tomorrow. We impounded his car. He's only got 300 bucks in the cage. It's just monstrous. And I had a real feel for that.

01:37:40.120 And in reality, if they had known everything about me, they would have probably said, nah, we're going to pass on you. And I was successful. You know, I wasn't the best or anything like that, but I was very successful.

01:37:50.520 And I was good at the compassion aspect. I think if you go back and talk to everybody, they would go like, yeah, your heart was too big for this job to start with. And I kind of disagree with that. I just understood. I understood what, what, what we're doing here.

01:38:01.720 This is a big deal. Yeah. You know, you, you, you try to explain to somebody anytime somebody dies in a car accident, in a murder, um, when I was a homicide detective for a period, you, you have to, somebody has to go tell that family that your loved ones died dead.

01:38:20.840 Cause they don't know at that point. You know? Um, do you try to act like when you walk up, do you try to act like you don't like, because they're looking like that would be the part for me.

01:38:31.780 If a cop comes and knocks on my door, do you want to look like you have that information or is the goal at first to not look like you have that information, man?

01:38:39.840 Man, you, we are now in a conversation. This, that was one of the, probably the, the hardest aspect of police work is notifying people that their loved ones dead. And when you, take me through one of them.

01:38:51.020 Okay. Uh, I, I had, I'm going to give you a, a traffic accident. I had a traffic accident where a 16 year old female was killed. Um, and I went, they'd start the investigation and usually they'll take someone that's never done it before or whatever to go do the notification.

01:39:05.840 At that time I was on patrol and they said, Hey, listen, you got to go make a notification. By then it was like three, four o'clock in the morning. And if you're a parent and your kid's out and a cop knocks on the door at four o'clock in the morning, the blood leaves your face. It just does. You know, that's just the way it is. You know what I mean? And I, I remember I did many of these and as they went on, they got way more difficult, but I remember knocking on the door and being so nervous that it felt like my esophagus had seized.

01:39:35.060 Like I literally couldn't talk. I'm thinking they're going to come to the door. I'm not going to be able to talk right now. And I remember, I remember it was, it was a mother. She came to the door and she had just woken up. And as soon as she saw me, I didn't have to say, you know, something was wrong. She knew that something was very wrong.

01:39:52.120 And the process of informing a love, a parent, especially that their child is dead. When you first start doing it, you're blunt because you, that's what you're there to do. You know? And I came, I said, you know, are you the parent of your daughter? And by then they're already crying. And you, so I'm sorry to inform you, but your daughter was killed in a traffic accident.

01:40:11.860 And this woman in particular, because it, again, this, these are the trials of police officers. It, it, right now I feel like I want to cry.

01:40:21.000 Yeah. Same.

01:40:21.760 Yeah. I mean, it just does that to you. And it's, it's, um, but I have, I have a thousand of these, you know what I'm saying? So I remember, I remember her getting to the point and her falling on the ground. And as many movies as I've seen of trying to depict police situations, there's nobody and there's nothing that could do that accurately to really depict of what that looks like.

01:40:47.100 It's a pain that to this day, you know, I'm probably 20 years now out from that situation, close to, it still makes me want to cry. Just bringing it up. It brings, you know, I get the pain and it, and as you do those and as you go through them, I had a dad that a girl had hung herself and he was so upset that he grabbed me by the shirt and he started, no, no. And like kind of pushing me back.

01:41:10.300 And he had a suburban and he pushed me into the suburban. My elbow went through the back window of this thing. That's how hard he pushed me. And I knew what was happening there. He wasn't mad at me. This guy was just so grieving, but as those go on and as those situations occur and as you do more and more of those, and as you introduce new officers and take them to do it, it becomes so much more difficult.

01:41:34.520 I remember sitting out front of homes towards the end of my career, sitting in the car and, and, and I was a sergeant at the time and I wouldn't send young guys because I just couldn't fathom me doing that to them because I knew what it had done. It's done to me. You know what I mean?

01:41:46.460 So I remember looking at this particular one. It was the morning. It was like six o'clock in the morning because the sun was coming up. And I remember seeing them walking in front of the window of their home in the kitchen and me realizing, okay, I got 45 minutes to have my shifts up. I'm going to sit here for 45 more minutes because these are the last 45 minutes of these people's lives. You know what I mean?

01:42:06.740 And, and because I was at that point in my career has gone up long. I was crying. Just the thought of doing this. I had my own child now. It just, it became so much larger now of doing them for so many times that I sat there forever, putting it off as long as I can. And then walking up to it, it, it, it's indescribable. It really, truly is indescribable. Knocking on a door and telling someone their most precious, whatever, husband, wife, dad, son, grandma,

01:42:36.500 anything is gone. And, and, and the scenario that you do that are so, it's so vast. You know, there's so many old people that live alone and the family lives far away and no one's really accounting for them. And it's August and they fucking die on Thursday. And by Tuesday, the neighbor's going, something stinks next door. And there's fucking flies all over the window. And they send you out at two, three o'clock in the morning. And you got a fucking flashlight and you're walking up to the house. You're looking at the window going, fuck. Yeah. Something's dead in here, man. I, you can smell it, which is a smell.

01:43:06.140 You never forget. You know exactly the smell of death. Really? Oh, exactly. I can, if, if, if there's something dead and that smell is permeating in the air, I smell it. I tell you something's dead within these parameters. Do you know it's human usually or not? Can you tell human or not? No, I don't, I don't know. Right. I don't know that, but I know human. Okay. But, and you start going through that. This is a whole different story. You start going through that house, man. You know, you got to kick the door in, you know, cause no one answers the door and it's dark. And you're so fucking scared and wigged out.

01:43:36.900 That you don't even take the time to hit light switches to turn the light on. You're going in with a flashlight, which makes it a million fucking times worse. You know, it's like, be smart, hit the light switch. At least it's there. But you're going around corners going, okay, this is the fucking door, you know? And I've kicked open so many doors and seen the most horrific shit, dude, you can ever imagine in your entire life. You know how many dudes die taking a shit? A lot of them, huh? A lot. Very prevalent for old people. There's actually a medical term for it. No, really? What is it? I couldn't tell you. Bring it up, Zach. We can get that information. Yeah.

01:44:05.980 The pushing of a bowel movement, it stops their heart. And I can't even tell you how many times I've had dudes on the ground and have to force open the door because their body's in the way.

01:44:15.760 Of the toilet? And they're just rigor mortid?

01:44:17.920 Yeah.

01:44:18.480 And are they usually like this or are they more like this?

01:44:21.800 Well, rigor mortis has a process.

01:44:23.360 Or do they do like this?

01:44:25.020 No, they fall off the toilet.

01:44:26.460 No.

01:44:27.000 Yeah, they fall off the toilet.

01:44:27.980 Oh, dang.

01:44:28.820 Yeah, they fall off.

01:44:29.300 So they're blocking the door.

01:44:30.320 That's what I'm saying.

01:44:30.720 You got to push the door.

01:44:32.100 So you're pushing the door and it's just something gruesome about pushing a body, you know, and trying to get around and look at it.

01:44:37.520 And usually they're, they're in like in August, if you don't find someone for a week in August and they never turn the air conditioning on, that body's in a state of fucking disaster.

01:44:48.420 I mean.

01:44:48.760 Is it bloated?

01:44:50.620 That whole process, that's a process.

01:44:52.540 Wow.

01:44:52.700 The death process, rigor mortis sets in, it comes out, then you start bloating, you get, you know, I've had them where they're bloated so big that there's big water blisters on their back.

01:45:03.060 And like the coroner, a little coroner, a little Asian girl dressed to the nines with a little suit on.

01:45:08.500 Oh, damn, boy.

01:45:09.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:09.700 Really pretty little girl.

01:45:10.960 I died as to meet her, you know?

01:45:12.920 Yeah, you don't want to deal with a coroner, dude.

01:45:14.540 Those are some, those are some different people.

01:45:16.620 You got to be.

01:45:17.320 Are they really pretty sketched out on some damn Wednesday Adamses, huh?

01:45:20.440 Yeah.

01:45:20.720 Well, dude, I had a coroner at LA County coroner's office that we were in there on an autopsy, which is a whole different story.

01:45:28.400 Autopsies are disgusting.

01:45:29.640 They're brutal.

01:45:30.540 They use saws and they use hedge clippers to cut the rib cages away.

01:45:34.600 Oh.

01:45:35.200 Because they canoe them.

01:45:36.200 They'll, they take away your rib cages and they take all your guts out.

01:45:39.000 They cut your, they cut your head.

01:45:40.760 They peel your hair forward so your hair is touching your face.

01:45:43.200 They cut your dome off and take out the brain and all kinds of wicked stuff.

01:45:46.880 But afterwards, as a homicide investigator, we would go to those because we'd want to see the trajectory of the bullets and get a determination on what they determine, how far and all the different evidence you can get from an autopsy.

01:45:57.280 I had this dude that did an autopsy, gloves covered in blood.

01:46:01.060 And he went in to talk to me and he went into this little lunchroom and he got his lunch out and he took off his gloves.

01:46:06.040 This fucker pulled out a sandwich, like a meat sandwich, that meat in it.

01:46:09.780 And as he's talking to me, as he's talking to me, he's eating a meat sandwich.

01:46:13.420 And I remember being, digging my fingers into my leg, just like, oh, just to not think about it.

01:46:20.440 Cause it was so, it was making me so nauseous, you know?

01:46:24.300 Yeah.

01:46:24.620 I don't think I could have a damn Turkey Tom while somebody just laying there, you know, corners are a different breed, man.

01:46:30.620 You gotta be a different breed to be chopping up people all day long.

01:46:33.920 Yeah.

01:46:34.300 Or even as to be taken.

01:46:35.360 Yeah.

01:46:35.520 Like you're taking vitamins or yeah.

01:46:37.620 If you're going to be on an exercise bike or something in the same room as like a body, just creep.

01:46:41.900 It's so weird.

01:46:42.600 Yeah.

01:46:43.120 Well, anyway, back to the real quick on the Asian, the Asian girl, she had to flip, she had to flip this body over that was bloated.

01:46:48.940 So she put a rope around the opposite side of the lady's wrist.

01:46:52.540 And this lady was deep into decomposing and she threw the rope over the lady and she went on their side and she was going to pull this rope.

01:46:59.560 So the arm would flip her over and she'd be able to see the front of her.

01:47:03.480 So she's pulling this rope over and because the body was so decomposed, it ripped off the skin of the entire arm.

01:47:12.600 And the body fluids of this lady went straight up on her and on her face and on her mouth.

01:47:19.740 It was all over her.

01:47:20.940 And this girl literally, she, you know, she was shocked for a second.

01:47:25.040 But then she's, oh my God, she said some things.

01:47:26.240 And she went over and got some wet wipes out of her thing.

01:47:28.240 And she wiped off her face and she just went back to fucking business, man.

01:47:32.380 And just ate a damn butterscotch out of her purse.

01:47:34.860 Dude, jamming temperature things in her liver and shit.

01:47:39.060 Crazy, man.

01:47:40.100 Crazy.

01:47:40.980 Crazy.

01:47:41.280 That's the dark arts, dude.

01:47:42.840 That is when you are a real concierge of the devil, I feel like, if you're there doing coronation.

01:47:47.740 Yeah.

01:47:48.040 You know, coronerizing.

01:47:49.440 That's definitely a relationship killer, man.

01:47:51.100 I would suggest to anybody, if you find out your date and someone's a coroner, that's going to be a strange life.

01:47:57.140 Yeah, man.

01:47:57.740 That's really going to be, because they're going to want to watch you sleep, you know?

01:48:01.900 Yeah.

01:48:03.660 Forever, maybe.

01:48:04.580 Yeah.

01:48:04.960 Pull up that information you had there, Zachary, if you don't mind.

01:48:07.900 Oh, I had it.

01:48:08.560 It's a defecation syncope is the name for dying while you're shitting.

01:48:11.600 What is it again?

01:48:12.300 And are you dying?

01:48:13.000 You sound sick, Zach.

01:48:14.080 I'm okay.

01:48:15.120 It's defecation syncope.

01:48:16.800 Yeah.

01:48:17.260 There you go.

01:48:17.680 Okay.

01:48:18.160 It's pretty prevalent.

01:48:19.340 What does it say about it?

01:48:20.240 Can you tell it?

01:48:20.740 Just give us a little more intel.

01:48:21.620 Well, defecation syncope describes the vasovagil response that occurs while defecating that results in a loss of consciousness.

01:48:30.980 Wow.

01:48:31.520 Yeah, for old people.

01:48:32.580 The loss of consciousness results from bearing down to increase the pressure in the rectum.

01:48:36.980 Damn, boy.

01:48:38.960 So I guess, yeah, you can have to, I mean, this guy just shit himself to death, really.

01:48:44.300 God.

01:48:44.740 Yeah, it happens pretty often with older people.

01:48:47.000 Something to do with their heart stops their heart and they die and they're by themselves.

01:48:49.760 And it's, yeah, pretty brutal.

01:48:51.620 Pretty brutal.

01:48:52.400 Life is pretty brutal.

01:48:53.640 Life is.

01:48:54.180 I always felt like it would be a good thing for the world to have some kind of a venue where, like, I got a million stories.

01:49:02.840 You know, I got a million things I've experienced.

01:49:05.120 We're one guy, one cop, one story, you know, and just to give the world the idea of what's going on.

01:49:14.460 Because nobody knows what's going on.

01:49:16.620 You think you're so, you, just the perception of how many police there are.

01:49:20.820 Any given night in, I'm going to give you the example of the city of Whittier, which is a pretty big city, there was four or five cops.

01:49:29.080 That's it.

01:49:29.900 Wow.

01:49:30.620 That's it.

01:49:31.300 You know what I mean?

01:49:31.520 That's all that there was.

01:49:32.740 Now, granted, there's a lot of police around.

01:49:34.400 Right, right.

01:49:34.840 And they'll come say, but that's, you're not really safe with just four or five cops.

01:49:38.800 You know what I mean?

01:49:39.720 Like, I, to this day, I'm telling you, I could rob any bank.

01:49:42.980 Yeah.

01:49:43.460 I know exactly how to do it.

01:49:44.700 Really?

01:49:44.980 You could get, oh, absolutely.

01:49:46.380 Absolutely.

01:49:46.600 I'm not going to say it.

01:49:47.260 I don't want to.

01:49:47.740 Yeah.

01:49:48.040 But I could absolutely do it.

01:49:49.220 You could write it down for me.

01:49:49.880 Just because there's such a lack of officers, there's such a lack of staffing, you know, there's such a, we're just unsafe.

01:49:58.080 And I think if someone could put something together where they just, a cop just came and said, hey, this is a story.

01:50:03.400 And people start hearing that every day and just going like, dude, the world, the stuff that's going on in the world right now, you know, the stuff that goes on every day and has always gone on is always is going to go on.

01:50:13.700 I think people would be a little more understanding of, of the difficulty of the job, you know, the difficulty of policing the world, you know, and maybe be a little more, less judgmental, you know, a little less harsh.

01:50:28.180 Oh, well, I think this conversation alone, and I've always been kind of, I mean, pretty much pro-police.

01:50:34.260 I mean, if there's a bad policeman, I'm going to be against that person.

01:50:37.780 If there's a bad anything, I'd kind of be against that person or at least want to investigate what's going on with them.

01:50:43.780 But, you know, we grew up in a real poor environment.

01:50:47.040 And so the cops would always hang out around the poor people because we were outside a lot.

01:50:51.180 And so when I was growing up, we'd be outside.

01:50:53.900 So the cops, I think sometimes would be on their, you know, and they, they'd stop and chat.

01:50:58.340 You know, I feel like you kind of knew the cops better when you were poor because you were outside.

01:51:03.100 There'd be more calls to your neighborhood because somebody was always doing something.

01:51:07.440 There was always some domestic violence or somebody was, you know, you know, butting some drugs or something small, you know, just some small ball locally.

01:51:14.920 So the cops would be around.

01:51:16.680 So you get to kind of know them, you know, um, and it was kind of fun in a way, you know, and then one of them would start dating somebody in the neighborhood, you know, like not dicey, but just like, you know, I remember chicks thought it was kind of hot to date a cop, you know, when I was growing up, it was like, yeah, I get to date a cop.

01:51:35.600 Would you say that now?

01:51:36.600 It seems crazy.

01:51:37.540 I can't imagine there's any girls going, Oh, I want to date a cop.

01:51:40.120 Yeah.

01:51:40.640 I mean, really?

01:51:41.240 Who would want to date a cop now?

01:51:43.740 Yeah.

01:51:43.920 I mean, I don't know.

01:51:44.580 I think there's still a lot of like, you know, America first type people, I think who believe that cops are good people, you know?

01:51:52.740 And so those people would probably be fine with it.

01:51:55.020 I think maybe more scared for the cops.

01:51:57.160 Probably there might be more fear in that sense.

01:52:00.080 Yeah.

01:52:00.440 The lifestyle again, I, it goes down to, they just don't know, you know, it's a tough life.

01:52:05.000 My, you know, my wife's married a cop, you know, tough life, tough life, you know, but I I'm out now and things are good.

01:52:13.420 And, but it's, it's, it's a tough life.

01:52:15.240 It's, it's a different life.

01:52:16.760 The world doesn't know what's going on out there.

01:52:18.800 You have no idea what's going on out there.

01:52:20.720 I do.

01:52:21.580 Yeah.

01:52:21.840 It's a hard reality to live with.

01:52:23.640 You never feel safe.

01:52:25.440 Well, and it's just not fair that there's not an accurate kind of representation of what goes on at this.

01:52:29.840 There's not that that person you call there, you guys are expected to handle so much.

01:52:34.680 Like, some people are mentally unwell.

01:52:37.320 Somebody, somebody's got a gun.

01:52:39.000 Somebody's doing sex traffic and somebody's trying to hide a kid in their attic.

01:52:42.880 You know, it's like, you don't fucking know.

01:52:45.220 Nope.

01:52:45.660 And you never know what you're walking into either.

01:52:47.660 Many situations where you think it's one thing and it's something totally different.

01:52:51.100 You know what I mean?

01:52:51.640 Did you get a lot of, was there a lot of that?

01:52:53.300 Because, you know, a few years ago, sex trafficking was like the big buzz.

01:52:56.300 You know, it was like, you'd see things on commercial, like there's a million women being sex trafficked in America.

01:53:01.440 And I'm like, that's fucking insane.

01:53:03.240 But I could believe that there's some of it, you know, but I don't think there's a million ways.

01:53:07.840 You know, like you'd see some, every few years there's like a big thing, a big push, you know?

01:53:12.720 Yeah, I don't, to be honest, I don't know.

01:53:15.000 I don't know.

01:53:15.320 I never really dealt with a lot of that.

01:53:18.080 I never, I don't understand, I don't have a lot of knowledge on that.

01:53:21.460 So it'd be pretty irresponsible for me to make a comment about that.

01:53:23.780 But in my police career, I dealt with prostitutes, you know?

01:53:27.240 We thought there was a lot of stuff with prostitution.

01:53:29.480 And were they just trying to survive most of them?

01:53:31.240 Were most of them just women trying to survive?

01:53:32.620 Or were most of them women that you found that had been in a, were they were being abused by a man and used to sex?

01:53:38.600 Used to get money and sex?

01:53:40.080 You know what?

01:53:40.680 I didn't, I couldn't answer that because I never really, very rarely would I have an intimate conversation with someone I was dealing with.

01:53:48.140 Right.

01:53:48.480 I deal with enough.

01:53:49.180 I don't need, I don't want to know the story.

01:53:50.500 The story's irrelevant.

01:53:51.240 You know, if you start getting into stories, it can kind of change the way you handle stuff.

01:53:54.900 And the reality of it is, is that you were soliciting.

01:53:57.380 I'm just dealing with soliciting.

01:53:59.360 You know, if they go into a story of, oh my God, my dad raped me and this and that.

01:54:02.800 As a human being, I think you would tend to go like, oh my God, this poor thing.

01:54:06.200 And I just got to deal with the situation.

01:54:08.820 Because if she gives me a story and I let her off because her story's sad, well, how fair is it the next prostitute that I arrest them just because I don't listen to their story?

01:54:17.640 It's another difficulty of it, you know?

01:54:19.760 Right.

01:54:20.060 That plays a lot with tickets.

01:54:22.060 You know, tickets, man, are, tickets are a big deal, dude.

01:54:26.100 Everyone gets pulled over and they want, they want to be, get out of the ticket, you know?

01:54:31.760 Come on, man, help me out.

01:54:33.240 Do me.

01:54:33.440 But the reality of it is, is if you were driving 75 miles per hour and I pulled you over and you're, I noticed who you are, you're a cool guy, or we have a conversation, or you're very upfront and go, totally my fault, totally so sorry.

01:54:46.040 And I go, okay, man, just slow down.

01:54:47.360 I go, the next guy I pull over that's doing the same exact thing, I don't give him the opportunity to talk because maybe I'm in a rush or I don't know who he is.

01:54:54.800 And I give him a ticket.

01:54:56.360 Well, now I've done, I've done something wrong.

01:54:58.700 Right.

01:54:59.400 You know what I mean?

01:54:59.860 I've done something wrong.

01:55:01.300 So there's a real dilemma with that.

01:55:02.760 So when you start giving people breaks, when they're, the next person you're doing wrong.

01:55:07.920 So that's, that's an aspect people never really think of.

01:55:10.160 So if you're really doing policing right, there is no gray.

01:55:12.600 Right.

01:55:13.540 But we all want them to deal with the gray.

01:55:15.920 And I dealt with the gray constantly, you know?

01:55:17.800 And is it a real thing that you have to like, people are like, all right, we, we, we, we, the city needs to make money.

01:55:22.760 We need $10,000 because everybody's guilty when they get pulled 99% of the time.

01:55:27.280 Yes.

01:55:27.580 So is that a real thing?

01:55:28.400 It's like, Hey, we got to make sure if you're, if you're letting people off, we can't let them off anymore in the next month.

01:55:32.760 As far as like quotas and stuff like that.

01:55:34.640 No, there's too smart for that.

01:55:36.040 This is how they do it.

01:55:37.000 There, there is no quotas, but what they'll do is, is they'll say, you've got to be within five tickets of the team average.

01:55:42.720 The team being the watch that's going out.

01:55:44.360 Okay.

01:55:44.880 So day watch is usually guys that have been on for a long time that just want to work nine to five, Monday through Friday.

01:55:50.120 Those guys don't do shit.

01:55:51.380 You know what I mean?

01:55:51.640 They're doing the absolute minimum because they're burnout.

01:55:53.480 They're tired.

01:55:54.020 They're old.

01:55:55.100 Their tickets are going to be really super low.

01:55:57.360 So what the department does is they'll take a guy fresh out of the academy.

01:56:01.220 You can't wait to write some tickets and they'll throw them on day watch.

01:56:04.840 So now that guy's writing 40 tickets.

01:56:07.080 Fucking penmanship Henry out there.

01:56:08.840 Yeah.

01:56:09.060 Just doing it, you know, for everything.

01:56:10.760 Yeah.

01:56:11.300 So they'll put that guy on the watch and he'll write 40 tickets in a, in a month.

01:56:15.840 Now the expectation is for everyone else has got to be at about 32, 33, or you're going to get on your e-ball.

01:56:23.220 So is there a quota?

01:56:24.340 No, there is no quota.

01:56:25.780 We just got to be within the team average, which is the average that we should be at.

01:56:30.620 Right.

01:56:30.840 Again, civil liability.

01:56:31.900 It's a way to beat around it.

01:56:32.780 You know what I mean?

01:56:33.780 That's what they'll do.

01:56:34.600 That's how they'll, they'll, they'll get the tickets they need.

01:56:37.720 Let's get you another water.

01:56:38.580 I got to pee.

01:56:39.260 Yeah.

01:56:39.440 Yeah.

01:56:39.560 I got to pee too.

01:56:40.120 And then we can, we can jump back on for a few minutes.

01:56:42.140 Yeah.

01:56:43.020 My dad was no, my dad was a great dude, man.

01:56:45.140 He just was no, there was no bullshit with my dad.

01:56:48.440 No bullshit.

01:56:49.160 He's dirt poor.

01:56:50.100 Grew up in Ardmore, Oklahoma.

01:56:51.800 Oh, wow.

01:56:52.740 He backyard was a cemetery.

01:56:55.520 Dad was a drunk, died young, used to beat him.

01:56:57.960 You know, the whole deal.

01:56:58.780 He, he was white trash.

01:57:01.360 My dad was, that's self-proclaimed white trash.

01:57:03.800 Yeah.

01:57:03.960 You know, I had nothing, shoes with holes, all the stories and shit.

01:57:08.360 But he became a really successful executive.

01:57:11.220 He was the vice president of Hebrew National.

01:57:13.360 We're not Jewish, but.

01:57:14.820 With Hebrew National to wieners?

01:57:16.200 Yeah.

01:57:16.620 Franks?

01:57:17.140 Wow.

01:57:17.480 Damn.

01:57:17.960 And his, his brother became a doctor.

01:57:20.200 Wow.

01:57:20.560 That's huge.

01:57:21.200 They came from nothing.

01:57:22.460 Oh, it's huge.

01:57:23.140 When you come from nothing, man, for somebody to be a fucking doctor.

01:57:25.760 For, I remember in our neighborhood, somebody was a lunch lady and we were like, damn, Miss

01:57:30.820 Annie.

01:57:31.820 She made it.

01:57:32.840 Well, you say that, but his brother who became a doctor, guys, he's like a fucking serial

01:57:38.580 killer.

01:57:39.280 Really?

01:57:39.760 Yeah.

01:57:40.040 He got raided by the SWAT and he was, he was one of the guys that was writing prescriptions.

01:57:44.740 Oh, he was?

01:57:45.340 Yeah.

01:57:45.780 Yeah.

01:57:46.160 Yeah.

01:57:46.780 Well, that thing, that whole thing was crazy.

01:57:48.600 Do you see that dope sick?

01:57:50.200 That.

01:57:50.480 Yeah.

01:57:50.880 Very good.

01:57:51.340 How insane is that?

01:57:53.140 Say, say again?

01:57:54.000 Dope sick.

01:57:54.740 It was like that document.

01:57:55.860 It was like a television show.

01:57:57.700 I think it was on Hulu.

01:57:58.820 I watched it.

01:57:59.440 I'm trying to think what the content was.

01:58:01.060 It was like Michael, uh, who was in it, Zach?

01:58:05.300 Um, Michael, Michael Keaton, Michael Keaton.

01:58:08.760 And he was a doctor and he got on, he started prescribing these pills because it, they made

01:58:13.660 them sound safe and everybody in his town got hooked.

01:58:16.440 Yes.

01:58:17.280 Yeah.

01:58:17.460 That was, and then he got hooked.

01:58:18.980 That was huge.

01:58:19.920 I'll tell you something.

01:58:20.500 I, I, I, I worked, I was a police officer.

01:58:22.740 I was in narcs during the heart of that opioid epidemic, opioid epidemic.

01:58:27.920 And yeah.

01:58:28.620 And it was some Jewish family.

01:58:29.740 I think that ran Sackler family.

01:58:31.740 What were they?

01:58:34.720 That, that actually owned the business that owned the business and they kept compromising

01:58:38.940 Oh yeah.

01:58:40.140 Sackler family.

01:58:40.940 They kept compromising officials and, um, getting them to work and bribing people.

01:58:47.920 It's unbelievable how they kept it in business.

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.080 What was that like the opioid epidemic on the street level?

01:58:52.740 Um, well we, at the time it was going on, they weren't calling it an opioid, opioid

01:58:58.400 epidemic.

01:58:58.900 Right.

01:58:59.040 They weren't, they weren't, there was no identifying it, but we started noticing that we would

01:59:03.660 catch guys coming out of dentist's office and they would, they would have different kinds

01:59:06.780 of containers.

01:59:07.240 One of the ones that was real prevalent for some reason was these little square, like

01:59:10.740 lunch coolers.

01:59:11.720 And they'd have them filled with prescription models and we called them fishers.

01:59:15.940 And what they would do is they would go to these low end doctors and dentists and they

01:59:19.600 would just fill prescript, find these doctors that go, Oh, my back hurts.

01:59:23.240 And you go, Oh, okay.

01:59:23.820 Let me write you a prescription.

01:59:25.100 Move this out a little bit more for me if you can, or just like this way.

01:59:28.280 This way?

01:59:28.760 Yeah.

01:59:28.980 Okay.

01:59:30.000 They would, um, they would fill, they would find all these doctors that would fill prescriptions

01:59:33.820 and they would go to like 10 doctors a day and we catch them and they'd have like a thousand

01:59:38.280 pills, you know, and we start going, this is really becoming prevalent.

01:59:41.560 We're finding this more and more.

01:59:43.400 And I think we actually had a guy OD out front of a dentist's office.

01:59:47.340 And somehow we found in his prescription that the prescription was from that dentist.

01:59:52.120 And that's how we kind of got turned on and it started going in motion is finding out

01:59:55.960 what's going on here, man.

01:59:57.340 Is that these doctors somehow are making tremendous amounts of money building insurance by these

02:00:03.160 guys coming in and saying my knee hurts and them just do giving them a prescription, build

02:00:07.980 the insurance, get a bunch of money, knowing this guy's going to be back in about three

02:00:10.760 days.

02:00:10.980 I'm just going to do it again.

02:00:12.360 You know what I mean?

02:00:12.720 And these guys would go to like five, six, seven doctors.

02:00:15.620 Yeah.

02:00:15.980 They had that documentary about a kid in new Orleans that got murdered, uh, buying some pills

02:00:20.620 and it led to the dad, like searching out this entire, like, uh, like kind of pill

02:00:27.280 farming thing that was going on there.

02:00:29.260 I can't remember the name of that.

02:00:31.340 Um, it was pretty fascinating though.

02:00:33.600 The pharmacist, the pharmacist.

02:00:34.980 That was it.

02:00:35.560 I actually tried to reach out to that dad and even have him come on as a guest.

02:00:39.000 I mean, it was, the story is just so tragic, but then he busts, he helps bust this doctor,

02:00:45.100 um, who was, I mean, given out insane amounts of pills every day.

02:00:51.120 They would show like, they had like footage outside of her pharmacy or whatever.

02:00:54.880 And they'd have like 50, 60 people out there just waiting at like, at like up to like 1

02:00:59.580 AM.

02:00:59.880 And they'd have a security guard, uh, like having them go in one at a time.

02:01:03.440 And she was just sitting in there writing scripts.

02:01:04.840 And when they finally found her, she was geeked out to the gills.

02:01:08.000 Yeah.

02:01:08.540 Just insane.

02:01:09.540 Um, was there ever instances where cops would start using the, like in to help relieve some

02:01:15.840 of their own like PTSD and stuff that was going on that they ever, does that become an issue

02:01:20.120 ever?

02:01:20.900 Um, I'm trying to think firsthand if I, I know of any, I don't really, I mean, drinking,

02:01:27.000 there was always guys that always drank, but that's always been socially acceptable.

02:01:30.140 Yeah.

02:01:30.180 That's pretty normal.

02:01:31.280 Yeah.

02:01:31.400 I'm just thinking if it, yeah.

02:01:32.420 Cause those opi, those opi, the opioids, it's such an easy thing to just take and use,

02:01:36.420 you know, it's a good example that you were saying, like, and I, I, this is when I'm kind

02:01:41.980 of reluctant because I don't want to cause any problems for people in police work right

02:01:45.180 now, but pulling from general society, police departments are staffed by people from the

02:01:50.280 community.

02:01:50.660 They go through a hiring process and they get, we get everything.

02:01:53.520 And this is a good example of people judging the cops based on the actions of one person

02:01:58.660 or a dozen or so.

02:01:59.580 We actually at my police department had two different cops.

02:02:03.760 One, I worked with forever.

02:02:05.380 One, I knew right off the bat that were child molesters.

02:02:09.120 Damn.

02:02:09.640 That we found out there were child molesters.

02:02:11.020 Matter of fact, the one officer that, um, that we caught the first one, he molested the

02:02:18.540 son of one of our other officers.

02:02:19.840 They were best friends.

02:02:20.940 So again, you're talking about a situation where the world goes, we can't even have one

02:02:24.820 bad cop.

02:02:25.780 Well, fuck, we're with you on, you know, not we're with you, but we're also just piece

02:02:29.600 of a piece of society.

02:02:31.240 We're dealing with it too.

02:02:32.040 Yeah.

02:02:32.240 You know, we're dealing with it too.

02:02:33.260 As soon as we find out that it's there, I mean, we, we, obviously this guy was gone

02:02:37.620 in prison and we, we handled that situation, but, um, we're no different than anybody else.

02:02:43.920 You know, cops are no different than the people that are cops are no different than anybody

02:02:46.940 else.

02:02:47.400 As far as it's kind of funny.

02:02:48.320 If you took a group of guys and you just show me a group of guys, I don't know if I'd

02:02:52.460 know if they were cops or not, unless you put the uniforms on them, you know, certain

02:02:55.800 ones, right?

02:02:56.680 Some guys.

02:02:57.220 Yeah.

02:02:57.320 Some guy's got the high and tight and the big mustache and you know, they're always

02:03:00.620 wearing a fanny pack.

02:03:01.860 Yeah.

02:03:02.360 But you know what?

02:03:02.920 So yeah.

02:03:03.280 Right.

02:03:03.700 As soon as you see that guy though, even, even cops look at that guy and go like, dude,

02:03:07.840 you're mowing your fucking lawn, put your gun away, you know?

02:03:09.820 Right.

02:03:10.180 Cop it down a little.

02:03:11.180 Yeah.

02:03:11.460 Totally.

02:03:12.140 Totally.

02:03:13.100 That's great.

02:03:13.700 And those are the guys that end up being 23 years old and go into the nightclub with

02:03:18.340 a gun on them.

02:03:19.720 Right.

02:03:20.240 You know what I mean?

02:03:20.840 Right.

02:03:21.060 Like I'm a cop.

02:03:22.000 Yeah.

02:03:22.420 Yeah.

02:03:22.800 I mean, how stupid can you be?

02:03:24.980 You know, how stupid can you be going into a drinking situation, carrying a gun?

02:03:29.100 Cause if someone punches you in the face, what are you going to do?

02:03:31.360 Yeah.

02:03:31.640 Punch them with a bullet.

02:03:32.860 Yeah.

02:03:33.480 Yeah.

02:03:33.900 That's where you see stuff like that.

02:03:35.240 Gun them.

02:03:35.580 Yeah, for sure.

02:03:37.400 There was a couple of, what do you think about this?

02:03:39.640 So when you get in, when you got into detectiving, did you detective anything like this, uh,

02:03:44.120 Idaho murder?

02:03:44.900 Do you follow that kind of stuff?

02:03:45.800 Do you follow crimes sometimes like especially high profile?

02:03:48.420 No, I don't follow anything.

02:03:49.540 Um, I, I, I don't even want to know about it, but, uh, high profile, most of my murders

02:03:54.040 were domestic and gang related.

02:03:55.580 Okay.

02:03:56.200 Where I was at, I didn't have anything particularly high profile.

02:04:00.980 Um, I had a lot of domestic situations, which real quick on one, um, this is a good example

02:04:09.580 for you too, for hotels.

02:04:10.680 I'll give you a little information on hotels.

02:04:13.280 You never know what goes on in hotels, man.

02:04:15.560 Any hotel room you're in, I'm going to give you a little touch of some stuff that goes

02:04:18.940 on in those hotels before you, you checked in.

02:04:21.660 We had a situation on a murder where a guy got arrested for domestic violence.

02:04:25.860 Okay.

02:04:26.840 And taken into custody for whatever reason, the judge sentenced him to 90 days, but decided

02:04:31.800 he's going to give him 24 hours to get his affairs in order before he reports to

02:04:36.560 go into custody, which is nuts, which is totally, totally nuts.

02:04:41.380 So he releases this guy.

02:04:42.940 This guy immediately goes and kidnaps the girl that he beat, takes her to a hotel in our

02:04:47.200 city.

02:04:48.760 In the hotel, he executes her, shoots her in the back of the head.

02:04:52.100 She falls on the bed and then blows his head off.

02:04:55.320 He actually puts it up to his thing.

02:04:56.660 So he's on the ceiling, um, his, the brains, everything on the ceiling.

02:05:00.780 So when we get a cleaning lady tried to get in cause he had put a table against the

02:05:04.900 door and sees it and calls us.

02:05:06.080 So we get there, we push open the door and enough time had passed where the woman had

02:05:11.600 fallen onto the bed.

02:05:12.840 It was one of those cheap polyester type bedspreads and it, it's almost holds water.

02:05:19.960 So when she bled out, it, it, it accumulated in that thing.

02:05:24.660 So her face was in the blood where you couldn't see any of her face.

02:05:29.740 She was face down and it was already coagulating on top.

02:05:32.260 So it was like a giant scab on top.

02:05:33.980 You know what I'm saying?

02:05:35.080 He was all over the ceiling and falling back.

02:05:37.620 We do the investigation.

02:05:38.800 We get everything done.

02:05:39.660 Totally gruesome.

02:05:40.460 Totally gross.

02:05:42.160 It was like late, late three, four o'clock in the morning that we leave.

02:05:46.240 And the next day I didn't come in.

02:05:47.760 I came in the next day and I needed to get some information from the hotel.

02:05:50.400 So I went back to the hotel and I go into the office and I'm going into the office.

02:05:53.820 This is, this is less than 24 hours.

02:05:55.480 Well, a little bit over 24 hours.

02:05:57.120 And I look up and there's a fucking family walking out of that hotel room.

02:06:00.640 They're going out to go about and do whatever they're going to do.

02:06:03.760 And I walked in the office and said, dude, you rented that hotel room out.

02:06:06.800 How did you get it clean?

02:06:08.460 And this guy went on to explain to me how they have people on standby and he got it clean

02:06:12.960 and they painted this and painted that.

02:06:15.400 No mention to that family at 24 hours ago.

02:06:17.600 There was a double murder in that hotel room.

02:06:19.920 Crazy.

02:06:20.800 That's a small story on hotel rooms.

02:06:22.620 Dang, man.

02:06:23.560 That's kind of what?

02:06:24.620 Yeah.

02:06:26.700 No.

02:06:27.520 We'll leave the light on for you, huh?

02:06:29.400 Yeah.

02:06:29.840 No shit.

02:06:30.300 And that's the kind of hotel it was.

02:06:31.580 We'll leave the light on.

02:06:32.660 My God.

02:06:33.860 Yeah.

02:06:34.880 Crazy.

02:06:35.760 Again, a perfect example of the world just doesn't know what walks the earth.

02:06:40.800 You know?

02:06:40.940 Well, it's just another example also of, are we processing the travesties that happen?

02:06:47.280 Are we, are we just, you know, are we still able, how much travesty and, you know, stuff

02:06:54.240 has built up that we just can't even process it as a society, you know?

02:06:58.880 Yeah.

02:06:59.040 Even things like that.

02:06:59.780 It's like turning around.

02:07:00.440 Like, is there some, is there a little bit of a vibe where maybe the fucking kid, you

02:07:04.420 know, one of the kids sleeping in there develops a cancer 40 years from now because he fucking

02:07:09.020 slept in the aura of a, you know, two deceased people nine hours after they were dead, you know?

02:07:14.720 Yeah.

02:07:15.240 For real.

02:07:15.700 I, you know, I, I look, and it's, some of that's kind of like this, you know, it's more

02:07:19.560 this, you know, imaginative sort of thinking, but I don't know how much of it is, you know?

02:07:26.200 Well, I, I also came up in the meth lab time.

02:07:28.620 Oh yeah.

02:07:29.500 California was full of meth labs when I first started.

02:07:31.900 Get your motor running.

02:07:32.900 The meth labs were scary, man.

02:07:34.460 Really?

02:07:34.760 You usually found a meth lab.

02:07:36.120 A lot of the times you would discover a meth lab because it'd blow up because those are

02:07:39.480 volatile.

02:07:40.180 They blew up all the time.

02:07:41.380 So you can't shoot in there?

02:07:42.560 No, no.

02:07:43.260 Oh shit.

02:07:43.500 You found a meth lab.

02:07:44.240 You had to back out quick because I mean, meth is just made out of red lie and Coleman

02:07:49.760 Lanner fluid, lighter fluid, just all kinds of shit that you have no business ingesting.

02:07:54.540 You know what I mean?

02:07:54.960 It's all volatile and there's gases and they always would blow up.

02:07:57.860 Unless you want to fuck for a long time.

02:07:59.420 I think it's okay to have a little, you know?

02:08:01.500 Yeah.

02:08:01.640 I mean, don't, have you ever called, some people do sex on meth for a long time, right?

02:08:05.680 Yeah.

02:08:05.960 With a dildo, with a coat hanger.

02:08:07.240 Oh my God.

02:08:08.340 Yeah.

02:08:08.640 Sorry.

02:08:09.020 I had to take you back there.

02:08:10.960 Yeah.

02:08:11.600 Yeah.

02:08:11.820 I mean, I do tweakers, tweakers were, tweakers are the life.

02:08:15.760 Was it fun?

02:08:16.060 Yeah.

02:08:16.460 Tweakers are the lifeblood of police work.

02:08:18.300 The difference, the only tweakers are so different than any other drug.

02:08:22.320 Heroin addicts, marijuana.

02:08:25.820 We'll touch real quick on marijuana.

02:08:27.660 Police work in marijuana.

02:08:28.560 I identified really quick, I'm not a marijuana advocate, but I identified really quick that

02:08:32.840 this is ridiculous, that this is against the law.

02:08:34.720 Every single person I ever came in contact that was stoned never gave me a problem at

02:08:39.020 all.

02:08:39.240 In fact, they were some of the best contacts I ever had.

02:08:41.780 Wow.

02:08:42.320 Best contacts.

02:08:43.020 I identified really early that this is something that's just, it needs to go away.

02:08:47.680 Every dude that was drunk was a nightmare and that was legal and this is not.

02:08:51.760 I can go on forever and tell you about that.

02:08:52.660 No, that is, it is ridiculous.

02:08:53.880 And why, why do we have those laws against marijuana?

02:08:57.360 Yeah, because old white people, you know, back in the day, just hysteria.

02:09:03.500 They didn't, they didn't know what it was.

02:09:05.740 They didn't understand.

02:09:06.540 So I don't know.

02:09:07.020 I don't know why, but.

02:09:07.880 The devil's lettuce or whatever they call it.

02:09:09.160 All that shit.

02:09:09.760 Yeah, yeah.

02:09:10.040 But we're getting better.

02:09:11.120 California's good.

02:09:11.880 The rest of the world's getting better.

02:09:12.760 I really believe they should be legal everywhere for sure.

02:09:15.580 A hundred percent.

02:09:16.520 But drugs, as far as drug goes, heroin addicts, they do heroin.

02:09:19.500 They stay home.

02:09:20.380 They nod out.

02:09:21.320 Right.

02:09:21.700 Pills, stay home.

02:09:23.260 You know, marijuana, the fun.

02:09:24.440 But nitrous oxide, whatever drug you talk about, it's not an issue.

02:09:28.360 Methamphetamine, man.

02:09:29.040 Fucker does methamphetamine.

02:09:30.140 Dude, he cannot stay home.

02:09:32.080 He cannot stay home.

02:09:33.460 He's got to get to, he's got to get to work.

02:09:35.640 Wow.

02:09:36.160 And it's always at night, you know, that's when we get to work.

02:09:38.680 We would find tweakers.

02:09:40.140 They had all these different processes of how they get their money.

02:09:43.660 Copper was a real big one.

02:09:45.000 They love copper.

02:09:45.900 They would wipe out whole housing tracks, you know, of their copper.

02:09:49.220 But you'd get the occasional one, which I had one, actually, I think I had two, where

02:09:53.720 they would go into industrial complexes and they would go into these massive warehouses

02:09:57.780 that had those giant metal cabinets that had the, the, like 10 wires that were coming

02:10:03.980 down it that were like 20 inch in diameter.

02:10:07.720 You know what I mean?

02:10:08.020 Just massive fiber optic wires and all that kind of stuff.

02:10:10.480 No, there was just like electricity.

02:10:12.140 There was like a box where the main electricity would come in and it would all branch off that.

02:10:15.740 But inside there, there'd be massive wiring and these fuckers would go in there and they

02:10:19.640 try to cut that wiring out and it'd be live.

02:10:22.360 So it would cook them, dude.

02:10:23.920 I mean, it would just, they would instantly just get electrocuted and either a fire or

02:10:29.240 there'd be different ways that it would, that we become aware of it, that we get there.

02:10:33.100 But by the time you got there, these guys would be onion rings.

02:10:36.180 I mean, onion rings.

02:10:37.420 Because it would just been flowing through them.

02:10:39.060 Flowing through them.

02:10:39.800 And what do they start to look like?

02:10:40.940 Kind of like a jet, like a jerky.

02:10:42.760 Do they start to look like a...

02:10:44.280 Burnt, completely, totally burnt.

02:10:46.040 Yeah, completely.

02:10:47.460 Does it almost, they almost look fake?

02:10:49.340 Yes.

02:10:49.900 A lot of that shit looks fake.

02:10:51.320 A lot of the stuff that's really brutal.

02:10:53.000 I had an industrial accident where a guy got sucked into a turbine.

02:10:56.440 It was a big, giant piece of machinery that had this like shaft that was a spinning shaft

02:11:01.420 that came out of the engine.

02:11:02.640 And it was about, I don't know, about four feet off, three feet off the ground, I'd say.

02:11:06.800 And it ran to another engine of some type.

02:11:10.080 And they had that covered with metal, like gates.

02:11:15.500 So that thing's metal, no one could touch it.

02:11:18.140 And it was in the front.

02:11:19.060 Well, these guys in the warehouse were playing football.

02:11:21.540 And the dude threw the football and he missed it.

02:11:23.780 And it went into where those things were.

02:11:25.860 So this dumbass decided to step over the gate where those things are spinning a billion miles

02:11:30.140 an hour to get the football.

02:11:31.840 And the sweater he had tied around his waist got sucked into it.

02:11:35.780 And it taffied him.

02:11:37.220 It sucked him into the piston and wrapped him around it.

02:11:41.040 And by the time he was completely wrapped up into it, his head had been hitting the concrete

02:11:47.280 so many times that it was going around that it emptied his insides perfectly.

02:11:52.680 So it was on the ceiling, on the back wall, and then shot across the thing.

02:11:57.400 So when we got there, they were in such a panic, they hadn't even shut off the machinery.

02:12:01.060 So this thing was going, and you're hearing this guy's head.

02:12:05.300 Not dink, dink, dink, dink, dink.

02:12:06.540 By then it was like a wet noodle, you know, a giant wet noodle.

02:12:09.740 Just disgusting, dude.

02:12:11.440 And you told them, you know, why haven't you turned this off?

02:12:13.680 And they, you know, it made sense.

02:12:15.880 No, we didn't want to see it.

02:12:17.580 We don't want to stop.

02:12:18.580 We don't want to see it.

02:12:19.180 We don't know what to do.

02:12:19.960 So when you turn that thing off and you see that dude wrapped up in there and the fact

02:12:23.560 that, dude, you want to talk about fake, you know what I mean?

02:12:26.740 I mean, it looked totally fake.

02:12:28.240 It didn't look like a human being at all.

02:12:30.380 And cops have to respond to that.

02:12:32.080 Oh yeah.

02:12:32.660 Anything that happens like that.

02:12:33.580 Any industrial, cops are always the first on everything.

02:12:36.440 Because firemen are at the station playing video games, you know?

02:12:39.320 Yeah.

02:12:39.640 Oh, they're having hot dogs, dude.

02:12:40.820 Hell yeah.

02:12:41.320 Dude, I went, I used to date a fireman's daughter, dude.

02:12:43.520 They'd invite me anything they were doing.

02:12:45.300 All they were doing, hot dogs.

02:12:47.180 Best job ever.

02:12:48.200 Every time, dude.

02:12:49.560 They're like, you want to, we're doing this big event.

02:12:51.420 I get to the event every time.

02:12:53.100 It was 11 dudes sitting down eating hot dogs.

02:12:55.580 Having a good time, playing games, watching the best job.

02:12:58.720 The one thing cops and firemen have in commons, they all want it.

02:13:02.460 We all want to be firemen, man.

02:13:03.940 Really?

02:13:04.360 Oh, hell yeah, dude.

02:13:05.140 If I can go back in time, best job in the world.

02:13:07.700 Yeah.

02:13:08.220 I got nothing but admiration for them, dude.

02:13:10.060 And the world, the world loves them.

02:13:11.640 The world loves firemen, dude.

02:13:13.540 You know, they ain't holding nobody accountable.

02:13:14.740 And everything's a science, too, for firemen.

02:13:17.620 They, oh God, firemen are going to hate me.

02:13:19.820 They do see all the tragedy and death, which is brutal.

02:13:23.760 And I feel for them in that.

02:13:25.680 But the other side of it is, is that everybody loves them.

02:13:28.940 Yeah.

02:13:29.540 Because all they're doing is saving and helping.

02:13:32.140 And everything that they do, essentially, is science.

02:13:34.880 You know, I mean, it's a fire.

02:13:35.980 If it comes in contact with that, we know what's going to happen.

02:13:38.020 The wind's blowing this way, we know what's going to happen.

02:13:40.220 It's all pretty predictable.

02:13:41.500 It's not that dangerous.

02:13:42.520 There's aspects that are dangerous, but, you know.

02:13:44.840 Yeah, you guys, there's a lot more, it's a lot more hypothesized, like hypothesizing

02:13:50.620 in the moment going on.

02:13:52.440 Yes.

02:13:52.940 There's not like a lot of.

02:13:54.080 Even house fires.

02:13:54.880 If there's a house fire, cops are always the first ones on it.

02:13:57.180 Dude, I'd shoot.

02:13:57.820 If I saw a cop, a house fire, I'd damn shoot at it.

02:14:01.860 That's who I'd be that first guy.

02:14:03.000 Well, again, man, the expectation is if you're a cop and you get there and someone's screaming,

02:14:06.400 my baby's inside, my baby's.

02:14:07.660 Oh, hell yeah.

02:14:08.260 Yeah, go to an award ceremony for the end of the year at a police department, there's

02:14:12.480 always at least one cop that went into a burning building to help somebody.

02:14:18.220 Wow.

02:14:18.780 Because the fireman takes a while to get there.

02:14:20.840 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:21.300 Well, also, yeah, it's like, it's so hard to get a group of guys to do anything together,

02:14:24.840 especially even.

02:14:25.380 Yeah.

02:14:25.900 And that truck is so hard to get through.

02:14:27.740 It's like, get them a little, you know, I guess we have to have water in it, huh?

02:14:31.960 Well, the water's already there.

02:14:33.320 Yeah.

02:14:34.300 Yeah.

02:14:34.640 Well, yeah, I think they're already full.

02:14:36.220 I don't know, man.

02:14:36.860 Our relationship with cops and firemen, it's kind of crazy.

02:14:39.500 When I was on Graveyard, just because I was so jealous of the life they lived and things

02:14:42.620 are good, I would call them out for anything.

02:14:44.780 Three o'clock in the morning, dude, I'd say, you're not feeling good, man?

02:14:47.020 You need to be seen by a paramedic?

02:14:48.200 All right, let me hook this up.

02:14:49.180 And I would, we need paramedics just, and they knew it because we eventually become friends

02:14:52.840 because they're at the same station.

02:14:54.080 Yeah, totally.

02:14:54.660 They would see me and be upset.

02:14:56.260 But, you know.

02:14:56.820 I love stopping by fire stations, man.

02:14:58.500 Fire dudes have always been cool.

02:15:00.220 And it's nice to get it to go in there, you know.

02:15:03.660 Great job.

02:15:04.440 Yeah.

02:15:04.760 It's cool, man.

02:15:05.740 Especially in New Orleans.

02:15:06.840 Like, we always love them because they also are part of the parades.

02:15:10.120 So that's a big thing in Louisiana is firemen get this whole second, they have this whole

02:15:14.900 second, like, appreciation because the fire trucks are in the parades a lot of times.

02:15:20.380 Oh, yeah.

02:15:21.100 So you see a lot of that.

02:15:22.520 Everyone's cheering them, waving flags.

02:15:24.400 Yeah.

02:15:25.140 What do you think is, like, one of the biggest problems that's facing police right now?

02:15:29.840 I mean, I know you said some of the PTSD and you said low staffing, too, or the fear that

02:15:36.140 people don't, like, a bad public image, you know?

02:15:40.800 Yeah.

02:15:41.700 I'm saying bad public image is not doing it justice.

02:15:43.780 The biggest issues for police right now, first and foremost, it always has been, but they're

02:15:49.880 now just starting to acknowledge it and talk about it and get real programs in place.

02:15:55.240 Number one killer of cops is suicide.

02:15:56.780 Yeah.

02:15:56.980 That's a weird statement to say.

02:15:58.760 But, like, I got a guy that I worked with who's in Texas right now.

02:16:03.000 He's working in a program, a religious program that reaches out and helps cops and firemen

02:16:07.540 and first responders with mental wellness.

02:16:09.780 Nice.

02:16:10.000 What's it called?

02:16:10.500 Do you know?

02:16:11.460 Charter Oaks.

02:16:12.580 Charter Oaks Academy?

02:16:14.100 No, not Charter Oaks Academy.

02:16:15.260 Charter Oaks something.

02:16:16.140 But he just made me aware that this one police department, in the last couple months, six

02:16:23.400 hot cops killed themselves.

02:16:25.260 You know?

02:16:25.420 You just don't hear about that because it's bad publicity.

02:16:28.160 Cops don't even want that out, you know?

02:16:29.560 It's a scary thing when someone says, oh, cops are all killing themselves.

02:16:32.420 Wow, all the cops are unstable.

02:16:33.900 There just is no good publicity for cops, you know?

02:16:36.940 So, and what's happened recently, what happened this last time with the riots and the political

02:16:46.340 aspect that got involved and allowed it to continue and the way it was put on the media

02:16:51.900 and portrayed, it's set us back a lot.

02:16:56.880 It's set policing back a lot.

02:16:59.140 It's...

02:16:59.620 Cops are scared to do their job.

02:17:02.680 You know, they're just scared to do their job.

02:17:04.580 They didn't...

02:17:04.820 I can't even imagine.

02:17:06.020 Yeah, the public doesn't understand, you know?

02:17:08.480 When a guy comes, it's difficult to describe, but it's life and death, you know?

02:17:14.880 Cops shouldn't have to die just because, you know, the people want the fight to be fair.

02:17:20.920 There is no fight here.

02:17:22.420 My job is to get him in custody and take him before a magistrate.

02:17:24.960 That's it.

02:17:25.720 Right.

02:17:26.060 And I got to do what I got to do to get him in custody.

02:17:27.500 But if this guy's fighting me the way he is, he'll kill...

02:17:30.840 I have to think he'll kill me to get away.

02:17:34.420 Of course.

02:17:34.600 I have no choice.

02:17:35.380 Yeah.

02:17:36.180 Especially if a guy that's already killed other people or done...

02:17:38.440 You know, it's like, this is a bad guy.

02:17:40.040 It's not a good guy.

02:17:41.260 Yes.

02:17:41.740 Who's here on the ground.

02:17:42.700 It's like, this ain't a great guy.

02:17:44.460 Yes.

02:17:44.940 You know?

02:17:45.560 This ain't a guy who's been doing great stuff or learning Spanish or something all day.

02:17:49.640 This is somebody who has been doing crime.

02:17:52.620 How big has race become an issue with you?

02:17:55.280 I was just going to say that.

02:17:56.040 Is that where it gets to?

02:17:57.400 Is that, like, become a big problem?

02:18:00.200 I can only give you my experience.

02:18:01.760 Right.

02:18:02.140 So I'm only speaking for me.

02:18:03.120 I worked at two different police departments.

02:18:05.280 In the two police departments I worked in, one of the communities was predominantly black,

02:18:08.440 it was South Central.

02:18:09.200 The other one was predominantly Hispanic, Hispanic white, you know, a little bit of everything.

02:18:13.220 Um, systematic, the statement that the police are systematically racist, I know for a hundred

02:18:21.520 percent it's not true because I was part of the police.

02:18:25.800 I was part of these two police departments.

02:18:27.760 And if it was there, I'd tell you, did I see it?

02:18:31.940 I absolutely, I absolutely did.

02:18:34.400 I, in my entire career in the field, I saw two guys that I felt like that guy is treating

02:18:39.960 that person different based on the color of his skin.

02:18:43.220 Okay.

02:18:43.820 It's not too bad over the whole course of it.

02:18:45.300 The whole course.

02:18:45.840 One guy was blatant.

02:18:46.840 He was blatant.

02:18:47.920 You know what I mean?

02:18:48.240 And they actually got rid of him relatively quick.

02:18:50.840 Um, the other guy wasn't as blatant, but it did appear that way.

02:18:54.880 What is the reality of it is, is that when you work in a community, usually that community

02:19:00.700 is, it's predominantly something.

02:19:03.280 Oh yeah.

02:19:04.440 It's predominantly something.

02:19:05.440 And it's not that you, because in my experience in my police departments, I worked with black

02:19:09.840 guys, Hispanic guys, Asian guys.

02:19:11.020 We were everything.

02:19:11.860 Everything with women, you know, um, California.

02:19:14.540 Yes.

02:19:15.040 Everything was represented.

02:19:16.580 And within those walls, there was, it didn't matter.

02:19:21.780 You know what I mean?

02:19:22.300 If it, if it, if it did exist, it was something that we did with amongst each other in jest.

02:19:28.080 Right.

02:19:28.420 Like, uh, guy that I work with was black ripping on me because some stereo stupid stereotype

02:19:34.460 about white people or whatever, you know, it's something we would do and joke about,

02:19:37.600 but I never saw anyone treat anyone any different because of the color of skin.

02:19:42.420 Unfortunately, what would happen is, is that you'd be in these communities and you would

02:19:45.880 develop.

02:19:46.560 I don't even like to use the word prejudice, but you would develop, um, feelings about

02:19:53.080 the way these communities operate because you're constantly coming in contact with the

02:19:58.700 worst of it.

02:19:59.240 Right.

02:20:00.120 You know what I mean?

02:20:00.820 Constantly in any scenario.

02:20:03.080 Right.

02:20:03.480 If I'm working in an all black community, all or predominantly black, predominantly Latino

02:20:06.860 community, and I'm a officer, then I'm, I'm coming in contact with the bad guys from that

02:20:12.360 community.

02:20:12.720 Yes.

02:20:13.200 Yes.

02:20:13.400 You're dealing with the bad guys and you start to develop over years and years and years

02:20:17.400 of the same.

02:20:18.460 And, and there are, there are unique aspects to different types of communities.

02:20:22.800 You know, the crimes and the way the things that people do in Hispanic community are, are

02:20:27.060 different than the black community, different to the white community, different to the Asian

02:20:29.480 community.

02:20:29.800 So there are things that go on that are repetitive where you start getting callous towards it.

02:20:35.600 So it wasn't a matter of people being racially prejudiced.

02:20:40.860 It was a matter of being, it's a terrible word, but prejudice against specific aspects of

02:20:47.960 a culture, you know, specific aspects of a culture.

02:20:51.060 Like I can give you ones that aren't, aren't very controversial.

02:20:53.440 There's a lot of the Hispanic community is really divided up.

02:20:58.700 There's first generation Hispanics, there's second generation, and they're very different

02:21:01.900 within themselves.

02:21:02.580 Like a first generation of Hispanic people to come here, hardworking, kind, loving family,

02:21:10.840 just every, just good people.

02:21:13.900 Right.

02:21:13.920 You know what I mean?

02:21:14.260 You'd go like, Hey man, come stay with me for a week and not even think about it.

02:21:17.640 But they were super, super hard drinkers.

02:21:20.020 You know, they would get together for a quinceanera and you'd get calls at three o'clock in the

02:21:24.120 morning and they're all beating the shit out of each other because they're all so drunk,

02:21:27.600 you know, or at a two-year-old's birthday party, you get there and go like, it's a fucking

02:21:31.120 two-year-old's birthday party.

02:21:32.080 Why are you guys drunk?

02:21:32.900 And it's three o'clock in the morning, but it was prevalent.

02:21:34.980 So you would get callous towards that.

02:21:36.960 Oh yeah.

02:21:37.480 Yeah.

02:21:37.720 And it's fun getting fucked up around a kid sometimes, you know, unless you're getting real

02:21:41.420 weird.

02:21:41.940 Yeah.

02:21:42.560 Well, there's a lot of that too, but in every community that I dealt with, you would have that

02:21:47.800 and people would start identifying stuff and things would start becoming, you would develop

02:21:53.300 calluses towards it.

02:21:54.280 Right.

02:21:54.720 Yeah.

02:21:54.960 You're like some of this culture, some of this, you never thought you had, you never

02:21:57.760 thought.

02:21:57.940 No, man.

02:21:58.540 And when they say that, it's so frustrating because I see some of it and I, and the incident

02:22:05.600 where the dude knelt on his neck, totally wrong.

02:22:09.620 As a police officer, you're looking at that and going like, okay, for him to get in that

02:22:14.320 situation, I can, I'm not going to judge for him to get in a situation where he's got his

02:22:19.720 knee on his neck.

02:22:20.160 I'm not going to judge because that can happen.

02:22:21.620 I've been in situations where that happens.

02:22:22.800 Right.

02:22:23.160 Where you're trying to get a guy in custody, even though he's handcuffed, he is still doing

02:22:26.600 stuff that can cause harm to himself and others.

02:22:29.300 Right.

02:22:30.440 There's no reason why that guy didn't after 10 to 15 seconds stand up and put, try to put

02:22:37.940 that guy back into the car.

02:22:39.640 Right.

02:22:39.860 So what he started doing and, and the world insinuated that guy's racist.

02:22:45.040 Well, we don't know if that had anything to do with the color of that guy's skin.

02:22:48.560 All we do know is, is that guy crossed the line and should face consequences because he

02:22:54.860 started administering punishment at the, where he was at.

02:22:59.500 And that is not his job.

02:23:00.900 His job is going to get into custody.

02:23:02.460 And even if in his thought process, his intent was not to administer punishment, he should

02:23:07.540 know better than to put hit, be in that situation for any length of time.

02:23:13.700 Cause it can cause harm.

02:23:15.320 That guy was wrong.

02:23:16.440 Right.

02:23:17.020 But to insinuate that it was race based.

02:23:19.300 And if I'm, I didn't watch it, but I don't think anything ever even came out where this,

02:23:24.600 there was ever anything in this guy's background where there was any instance of racism whatsoever.

02:23:28.940 Yeah.

02:23:29.160 Yet, if you go to ask anyone right now, they're going to say, Oh, that was racist.

02:23:32.840 Cops are racist.

02:23:33.640 Right.

02:23:33.860 We have no idea that that it could have been, could have been, you know, we'd have to be

02:23:37.520 intimately involved.

02:23:38.320 I imagine if there was any proof of that, they would have put it out everywhere.

02:23:41.440 Yeah.

02:23:41.740 If they had found something, it would have been everywhere.

02:23:43.420 Well, it's interesting now too, because almost the race narrative is starting to dis, it's

02:23:47.180 starting to evaporate over time because, and I think in some communities, obviously in

02:23:52.040 the South, there's a ton of that over the, you know, there's historical like biases and

02:23:56.860 like black people didn't have opportunities or money.

02:24:00.340 They had to do what they could to survive, you know, and then you have cops who were

02:24:04.900 predominantly white probably.

02:24:06.320 And they, they were policing crimes and crime is a lot of times things you have to use to

02:24:10.820 survive, you know, certainly like at times in the past, you know.

02:24:14.060 Um, but it's interesting that, uh, shoot, what are we talking about?

02:24:19.640 What did you say?

02:24:20.420 Racism.

02:24:21.020 Yeah.

02:24:21.500 So it's interesting that, yeah, because now it's like police forces are getting pretty

02:24:24.960 diverse, super dire, right?

02:24:26.700 And so I've almost wondered, would it be better to have a policeman of that ethnicity

02:24:32.880 show up?

02:24:34.800 Absolutely.

02:24:35.620 You know, and they're all starting to go towards that.

02:24:37.440 Yeah, they are.

02:24:38.200 My police department is predominantly, when I started predominantly white, when I left, it's

02:24:43.200 getting predominantly Hispanic.

02:24:44.700 Yeah.

02:24:44.840 And I think that's smart.

02:24:46.000 I think it's, it's, it's actually smart.

02:24:48.020 Does it make it a little harder for the guy that's white that wants to get a, get a job?

02:24:51.120 You know, why is this gonna have to find a different community?

02:24:52.560 I guess, you know, but yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely going that direction and it's

02:24:57.180 definitely smart.

02:24:57.780 Yeah, it's almost like they should have it.

02:24:58.540 It's like, okay, we have, you know, uh, two white suspects and two black suspects.

02:25:03.660 Let's send a black police officer and a white police officer, you know?

02:25:07.420 If you, unfortunately in police work, you don't have that time to go, I guess a dispatcher

02:25:11.300 could, they would know based on what, what they have out there of who to send to what.

02:25:15.500 But again, you're policing specific areas.

02:25:18.080 It, it, it, it would be harder than you think.

02:25:20.580 Right.

02:25:20.740 And it's crazy that we're having to even think about that kind of stuff.

02:25:23.560 Right.

02:25:24.020 But it's like, you get so many like civil lawsuits and so many, it's just like, we've

02:25:29.180 just taxed ourself at the fucking guilt.

02:25:31.440 You know, it's like, we've, I don't even think that would, from my experience, that's

02:25:36.740 not even a cure-all.

02:25:37.500 Well, yeah, it will.

02:25:38.700 And I think it's a good move, but it's not a cure-all because I've seen, I've been in

02:25:42.860 at scenes where a guy I was with was black officer and I've seen people attack him just

02:25:48.420 like they were attacking me.

02:25:49.400 You know what I mean?

02:25:50.160 Because it wasn't really about, they hated that guy because of the uniform.

02:25:54.360 I mean, that guy that with my name tag, be white, he didn't know who I was.

02:25:57.520 He, the way he was attacking me and all that, it was my uniform and the fact on top of it

02:26:02.700 that I was white, but I see them do the same thing.

02:26:04.880 It's just, they don't like the police.

02:26:07.040 They just don't like the police.

02:26:08.280 There's just certain people that don't like the police.

02:26:10.440 Yeah.

02:26:10.580 And I think it's interesting too, because it's like some cultures, like black culture never

02:26:14.240 really had a, like America was always kind of a, kind of a white culture country probably,

02:26:19.940 you know?

02:26:21.080 I mean, it was, there was diversity for sure, but I think like the people that ran the country

02:26:26.340 were probably predominantly white probably.

02:26:30.540 So then I think a lot of society kind of has a white ring to it.

02:26:35.460 So I think only now are you seeing a lot more society getting really pretty diverse,

02:26:42.240 you know?

02:26:42.640 So I think you're starting to see what these other cultures, how, what they even like to

02:26:47.060 have in society or what they like their societies to be like.

02:26:50.280 Yes.

02:26:50.620 And so I think you're seeing like a merging of that.

02:26:52.440 Like some societies, they might not like to have any rules or any policing there.

02:26:58.640 They, you know, some, they think that they think that, right.

02:27:02.040 Oh yeah.

02:27:02.340 They think that they think that, but they, they, if you took the police out of some certain

02:27:06.460 communities, communities that have more problems, if you completely took the police out of it

02:27:10.960 and they knew the police, they would implode.

02:27:13.560 It would be, there would, there would be no community.

02:27:15.960 Wow.

02:27:16.280 It would be no community because criminals are going to be criminals.

02:27:19.220 You know, people are going to, they're going to feed on the weak, knowing that there's

02:27:22.340 nothing there to stop them.

02:27:23.840 They're going to get theirs.

02:27:24.820 Wow.

02:27:25.140 You know, at any extent, the police, the policing is completely, totally necessary.

02:27:30.160 How we, how we do it is just going to continue to evolve.

02:27:33.860 Yeah.

02:27:34.240 You know, but it's right now it's, it's good.

02:27:38.260 There's a good basis in place.

02:27:40.780 What's happening to them is totally unfair, but we just got to get through this and good will

02:27:46.020 come of this.

02:27:46.840 Amen.

02:27:47.040 It's unfortunate, you know, but good will come of this.

02:27:49.360 Good came of Rodney King.

02:27:50.320 Great things came with the Rodney King incident.

02:27:52.200 It really, I saw it.

02:27:53.620 I lived it.

02:27:54.180 I watched the change.

02:27:55.020 Oh, absolutely.

02:27:55.640 When I first started, there was a lot of stuff that went on that slowly, I watched it get,

02:28:00.920 you know, when you're, when you're new, you just kind of stand back.

02:28:03.240 I watched it slowly get eliminated, slowly get better.

02:28:06.160 Things slowly improve on the way they handle stuff, you know?

02:28:09.380 Yeah.

02:28:09.580 Um, it's, it's, it's definitely getting better and, and, and it's, it's going to get better.

02:28:13.800 But we have, you know, I just, I just hope they continue to be fair.

02:28:16.240 Cause there's a lot of good dudes that are just doing the job.

02:28:18.340 Oh yeah.

02:28:19.000 A lot of good dudes.

02:28:19.500 Dude, I think, look, I'm grateful for them, man.

02:28:21.860 I'm really grateful for them.

02:28:23.120 Yeah.

02:28:23.260 Um, they deal with a lot of, they deal with a lot of stuff, you know?

02:28:26.280 Not, yeah.

02:28:27.700 Not everybody gets, gets to, not everybody sees this stuff, you know?

02:28:31.100 Nobody, not everybody sees someone blow their head off.

02:28:35.520 You know what I mean?

02:28:36.080 Try that once.

02:28:37.180 See how that changes your life.

02:28:38.400 I can't even imagine it.

02:28:39.260 Really take one person and watch one time, watch someone in front of them, blow their

02:28:44.340 head off and then, and then see how it changes.

02:28:46.400 Do an experiment.

02:28:47.400 Follow that guy around.

02:28:48.120 See how that changes life.

02:28:48.920 Now take that guy, that same guy and do it for 20 years every single day.

02:28:53.440 You know, what do you expect?

02:28:55.660 You know?

02:28:56.100 Yeah.

02:28:56.260 I can't, I lose it.

02:28:57.180 If somebody has left like a big thing, a piece of chunk of hair, like if they had a

02:29:00.600 bunch of hair in the drain, I would like, yeah, I couldn't even, that makes me

02:29:06.240 nervous.

02:29:07.560 And probably the thought about it going back, like keep the example of that.

02:29:11.340 I watched the guy put a double bear shotgun in his mouth was when his mom was standing

02:29:14.440 right beside him and blow his head off.

02:29:15.960 Yeah.

02:29:16.500 Standing, standing in the doorway.

02:29:18.640 Remember back in the day in the older houses in Whittier, they had those screen doors, you

02:29:21.900 know, the decorative stuff on the front.

02:29:23.920 It was a screen door.

02:29:24.760 The mom came running out screaming, Hey, my son, my son, he's suicidal.

02:29:28.100 And she kind of got behind me by the car.

02:29:30.460 And I looked over at the house and the door was open.

02:29:32.240 The screen door was there.

02:29:32.960 And the guy walked right up to the screen door.

02:29:35.160 He had one of those old school double barrel shotguns, stuck it in his mouth and pulled

02:29:39.120 the trigger.

02:29:41.000 His, his head expanded like a cartoon.

02:29:43.660 The gases expanded his head.

02:29:45.660 It was, I can't, I can't do justice in trying to get you to understand what it looked like.

02:29:50.400 Mom freaking out.

02:29:51.460 Just the dynamics of that scenario.

02:29:53.280 That scenario right there.

02:29:54.460 Then on top of it, I had to go inside the house and I'm pushing the screen door to get

02:29:58.040 this guy.

02:29:58.340 Cause he, he basically Las Vegas hotel explosion falled right in front of the door.

02:30:04.200 So I'm trying to push him out of the way.

02:30:05.980 And it didn't even dawn on me as I'm pushing in his brain matter was on the scene.

02:30:11.660 It fell into the back of my shirt.

02:30:15.020 Yeah.

02:30:16.580 Which to this day, I can feel it.

02:30:18.680 You know what I mean?

02:30:19.620 And now this is, this is one small scenario.

02:30:22.060 So imagine that happening to you one time, how that would change the course of your life.

02:30:26.500 I know it sounds dramatic, but don't you think it would?

02:30:28.500 Yeah.

02:30:28.920 Don't you think it would look at a lot of stuff different?

02:30:31.280 Don't you think you would feel a lot different?

02:30:33.780 So yeah.

02:30:34.340 I don't know if I would keep being able to feel after a certain point.

02:30:36.660 Right.

02:30:37.480 Yeah.

02:30:37.860 And then have to keep it in that.

02:30:38.900 I had to keep that thing.

02:30:40.160 I had to keep it in my shirt for like four hours.

02:30:42.280 Dude, we tried to wash it out and all that, but it came down to take it off my shirt and

02:30:45.520 vest and everything.

02:30:46.140 Sorry, I was just going to ask a question.

02:30:51.420 You mentioned all these violent situations, but you were a homicide detective.

02:30:54.240 Was that fulfilling?

02:30:55.480 Is it fulfilling, like helping the person?

02:30:58.080 No, that was my least favorite.

02:30:59.580 That was absolutely my least favorite assignment.

02:31:02.160 What was, homicide detective you're talking about?

02:31:03.660 Yes.

02:31:04.600 Yes.

02:31:05.120 It's the one I worked towards my whole career.

02:31:08.820 And then once I got into it, it was just, there was no real satisfaction.

02:31:14.100 There was satisfaction in catching the person that did it, but it was overshadowed by what

02:31:20.120 the act left everyone around it in.

02:31:23.740 You know, again, I had domestic violence.

02:31:26.780 I had a domestic violence situation that I can say was gratifying and catching who did

02:31:32.840 it and such.

02:31:33.300 But a lot of the gang ones, it just didn't matter.

02:31:35.920 It just didn't matter.

02:31:36.740 You know, you would catch the guy and someone else would do it or he'd get out and do it

02:31:41.760 again.

02:31:42.120 And, and there was so much sadness and sorrow surrounding it because the court cases were

02:31:47.420 long and drawn out.

02:31:49.220 You were sitting with the family for, for sometimes years getting through these processes and you

02:31:54.300 were the last attachment that they had to these people.

02:31:57.180 So they would become really attached to you.

02:31:59.060 They would bring me Christmas presents, you know, even after the case was done.

02:32:03.220 And I would, I would politely tell them, I, I can't accept this for a lot of reasons,

02:32:08.060 but the primary one is, is I, I can't have this relationship.

02:32:12.100 I can't have this emotional tie to you because I got a million more of these.

02:32:15.860 And if I start doing that, I'm done.

02:32:18.440 You know what I mean?

02:32:18.840 This has to be, you have to be your groceries that I bagged and you got to take that bag of

02:32:23.800 groceries and you got to get out of here because I got to get on to the next one.

02:32:26.760 And it's just, it's, it's too much mentally to have an emotional tie with you whatsoever.

02:32:32.160 So homicide was a lot of that.

02:32:34.540 And it was also hard.

02:32:35.400 I mean, that's, it has to be heartbreaking.

02:32:37.180 Heartbreaking.

02:32:37.740 Cause it's heartbreaking to them too.

02:32:39.060 It's like.

02:32:39.540 Even when it was a gang member, even when it was a gang member that was killed, that

02:32:42.380 was a brutal murderer himself, he had a mom and I was always in contact with that mom.

02:32:47.440 You know what I mean?

02:32:47.920 And, and it just, it would just, it was almost impossible to deal with.

02:32:53.280 And I'm, I'm a little, I admit it, man, going into it, I'm a little too sensitive to have

02:32:57.740 probably done this job, but it was just draining, man.

02:33:00.460 There's no good scenario in homicide.

02:33:02.420 And then if you don't catch the guys that did it, it weighs, it weighs on you.

02:33:07.040 It weighs on you that you couldn't, you couldn't do it.

02:33:09.760 You know, you couldn't figure it out.

02:33:11.040 You failed.

02:33:11.640 This guy's going to do it again.

02:33:13.020 So there's almost a level of responsibility that is homicide was a

02:33:17.900 different beast.

02:33:18.640 I, I, no bueno, man.

02:33:21.120 No good.

02:33:21.780 You know, uh, there, I've, I got a lot of good things out of other assignments.

02:33:25.360 Do you think there's a lot of serial killers out there still?

02:33:29.000 Serial killers?

02:33:30.440 Depends on your definition of a serial killer.

02:33:32.080 Seems hard to do now.

02:33:33.220 Well, if your definition of a serial killer is someone that kills a lot of people.

02:33:36.780 Yeah.

02:33:37.720 Yeah, there is.

02:33:38.180 There's, there's gang members that there's gang members out there that have killed five,

02:33:41.160 six, seven people, and they're going to kill more people, but the world doesn't

02:33:44.300 look at that guy as a serial killer.

02:33:45.580 It doesn't fit the definition or if you go to a training class, they're not teaching

02:33:49.800 you that this guy is a serial killer.

02:33:51.820 You know what I mean?

02:33:52.400 Yeah.

02:33:53.300 The quintessential serial killer is so uncommon.

02:33:57.320 Yeah.

02:33:57.960 So, so, so uncommon.

02:34:00.360 It just, nobody's breaking into home, strangers' homes and, you know, doing the, um, night stalker

02:34:07.900 shit.

02:34:08.280 Is there a hypothesis that when you get into that job that that'll be what it's like and

02:34:12.540 stuff, is there that kind of like, kind of, kind of, you know, and it's like anything

02:34:16.400 when you look, I mean, I, in an industry like this, I imagine you look at someone that's

02:34:21.580 doing something else and going like, oh, that's where I want to be.

02:34:23.700 That's where I want to be.

02:34:24.600 That's where I want to be because that's where it's happening.

02:34:26.140 And then you get there and you go, fuck, this ain't that great.

02:34:27.980 You know, I want to, so I want to be there.

02:34:30.200 I want to be there.

02:34:30.840 And no matter what you get there and you go like, at least my experience is, it's not

02:34:34.680 what I thought it was.

02:34:35.480 It was actually better back there.

02:34:37.020 I want to go back there because that was a lot better.

02:34:39.240 This, this, but homicide, I mean, look at the infatuation with cops.

02:34:42.960 Look at my TV shows and movies.

02:34:44.660 That's insane.

02:34:45.120 Everything.

02:34:45.620 Everything.

02:34:46.300 Killing.

02:34:46.620 It's like, yeah, I think I've seen every episode of true crime.

02:34:51.560 The world's infatuated with it.

02:34:53.520 And what you're seeing is that you're seeing that fake, not fake.

02:34:57.580 You're seeing that surface aspect of it.

02:35:02.040 You're not seeing the stuff that we've been talking about, you know, what's behind all

02:35:04.880 that, but you're seeing that.

02:35:05.600 So even going into it, you go like, Oh, look at that dude.

02:35:07.680 That dude's been around.

02:35:09.900 He's the reality of it is he's so fucked up and callous that he's totally quiet and cool.

02:35:14.500 You know, I want to be that guy, man.

02:35:15.880 I want to do that shit.

02:35:17.080 Got a suit on looking good.

02:35:19.440 Do you ever work?

02:35:19.860 People always go, Hey, you work homicide.

02:35:21.180 You ever work homicide?

02:35:21.860 You can be a homicide detective.

02:35:23.020 And it's just, again, it goes back to that thing as you just don't get it.

02:35:26.600 You know what I mean?

02:35:27.100 Homicide is where you want to get, but when you get there, just my experience was, I just

02:35:31.200 wanted to get the fuck out.

02:35:32.600 I just, um, so you graduated finally.

02:35:35.800 You're out.

02:35:36.500 I'm out.

02:35:36.980 I'm retired.

02:35:37.460 They got to pay me for the rest of my life.

02:35:38.700 Amen, brother.

02:35:39.300 You deserve it.

02:35:40.360 I hope so.

02:35:41.600 I think so.

02:35:43.000 You know, it's, it's, I can't even, it's, it's not a tremendous amount of money, but

02:35:48.320 it's a, it's a good chunk that most people don't have.

02:35:50.600 And, and what else do you want to do after?

02:35:52.440 Did you start to develop different thoughts or things that you, I'm working, I work for a company,

02:35:57.080 a big company that owns lots of businesses and I do asset protection for them, you know,

02:36:01.440 just real surface investigations of money crimes and, you know, basic, simple, almost

02:36:10.940 stupid, but it's dumb.

02:36:13.420 What I do, I admit it, but they pay me well.

02:36:15.600 And sometimes I get a little antsy and go, God, my life, look at my life now.

02:36:19.540 My life is so boring and it's, this sucks and I got to do something else, but I got a

02:36:23.780 wife I love.

02:36:24.300 I got a kid I adore.

02:36:25.880 And, you know, I got fam.

02:36:27.700 I just, this, this is good.

02:36:29.060 I'll ride this out.

02:36:30.140 Does your child want to be an officer?

02:36:31.960 Fuck no.

02:36:33.000 We made that clear day one.

02:36:34.940 When my kid was little, we made that very clear with one sentence.

02:36:38.720 You will fucking never be a cop.

02:36:41.460 So don't even think about it.

02:36:43.000 Don't dream about it.

02:36:44.160 Don't anything.

02:36:44.960 It will never fucking happen.

02:36:47.040 What, what about a fireman?

02:36:48.440 Fuck yeah.

02:36:49.200 Hell yeah.

02:36:49.620 I'll do anything to get him as a fireman.

02:36:50.960 Yeah, dude.

02:36:51.540 Let's give him some Franks.

02:36:52.640 Right.

02:36:52.980 With the understanding that there's going to be trauma, but police work, man.

02:36:56.720 There's just, if I could go back in time, as much as my experience, there's, there was

02:37:03.520 joy that I hold onto and go, God, that was, that was awesome.

02:37:05.940 I'm so glad I did.

02:37:06.620 That was exciting.

02:37:07.260 My life is this.

02:37:08.140 And people want to hear.

02:37:10.760 It's crazy to think people want to hear about it.

02:37:12.660 You got me sitting here talking about what I did.

02:37:14.120 And it is a crazy thought to go.

02:37:15.200 People actually are interested because they don't understand.

02:37:18.080 And when they hear it, they go, whoa, that's kind of, that's fucking really crazy.

02:37:21.740 That's crazy to me because that's just what I did.

02:37:24.160 You know what I mean?

02:37:24.720 So there's aspects I would say, oh, it would be sad if I never did that.

02:37:29.140 But if I could go back in time, I would totally, totally, totally do something different.

02:37:34.620 Wow.

02:37:34.860 But I got here by luck.

02:37:36.220 I never planned on being a cop.

02:37:37.660 Like I said, my, my growing up was different.

02:37:39.560 You're a criminal.

02:37:40.540 Yeah.

02:37:41.080 Not a criminal.

02:37:41.780 No, but I was, I was doing bad things.

02:37:43.580 But you're a deviant.

02:37:43.940 But I was a deviant.

02:37:44.820 I was, I was insecure and doing bad things, man.

02:37:47.160 You know what I mean?

02:37:47.540 Yeah, it's fun.

02:37:48.000 Yeah, you know, but my, how I became a cop, and this is back in the day, is I had nothing

02:37:52.960 going on.

02:37:53.240 I had no plans, man.

02:37:54.420 You know, I was doing nothing.

02:37:56.680 I had, there was just no future.

02:37:59.120 So I started coaching my little brother's Pop Warner team with my dad.

02:38:02.520 And the guy that was coaching with me was a instructor in the police academy.

02:38:06.720 And literally one day during the game, he's going, what are you, what are you doing now,

02:38:09.540 man?

02:38:09.720 I'm all, I got nothing going on.

02:38:11.200 He goes, I'll get you to the fucking police academy in a couple of weeks if you want.

02:38:14.520 And I went, all right, that sounds cool, man.

02:38:17.500 Let's do it.

02:38:18.040 And that's, that's how it happened.

02:38:19.240 Like, wow.

02:38:20.180 That's fucking how it happened.

02:38:21.020 I woke up the next day and I was pulling out on the street with a gun and a police car

02:38:24.760 going like, these guys got no fucking idea.

02:38:27.360 You know what I mean?

02:38:28.220 They got no idea.

02:38:29.160 But it, it served me well.

02:38:30.840 It served, my background served me well.

02:38:32.600 I was able to do that job, I think, better than most, strictly based on experience and

02:38:38.580 compassion, you know, of understanding the dynamic of taking away someone's freedom is

02:38:43.020 a big fucking deal.

02:38:44.160 And we need to avoid that at all costs.

02:38:46.740 We need to avoid that at all costs.

02:38:48.620 Then getting them in the system and, and getting this record and all the things that come with

02:38:53.120 it, I knew the magnitude of it.

02:38:55.340 I didn't take it lightly ever.

02:38:57.020 Even, you know, I used to get 17, 18 year old girls for DUIs and it was gut-wrenching

02:39:04.540 to me.

02:39:05.060 You know, it was gut-wrenching to me.

02:39:06.240 Boys, anybody was just gut-wrenching of taking them and putting them in a jail cell and realizing

02:39:11.520 this is going to change the course of your life forever.

02:39:14.780 You know, hopefully it'll be positive, but this is, they would be crying and it was just

02:39:18.540 traumatic.

02:39:19.480 It was just traumatic.

02:39:20.520 Most cops, you know, let's go get the fuck in the cell and let's get past this.

02:39:25.420 And you were drunk and I saved lives and I got to get out there and I got to find some

02:39:29.300 real crime.

02:39:30.040 You know what I mean?

02:39:30.800 I mean, I can remember sitting and thinking like talking to them in this cell and just

02:39:34.220 going like, it's going to be okay.

02:39:35.340 Right.

02:39:35.820 It's going to be okay.

02:39:36.620 I know you hate me right now, but it's, it's going to be okay.

02:39:39.220 And, and you're, one thing I do know, I hope is you're never going to be here again.

02:39:44.200 Right.

02:39:44.700 And you didn't kill nobody.

02:39:46.040 You know what I mean?

02:39:46.580 So those kinds of aspects for me, I've really looked back at it and go like, I, I was meant

02:39:52.140 to be there as, as much as I didn't deserve maybe to be there and the way it just happened

02:39:57.820 to me to be there.

02:39:59.140 Well, to be able to share this story today too, with us too, you know, cause yeah, like

02:40:02.680 I feel too much.

02:40:03.840 I've always been too much of a feeler, you know?

02:40:05.880 And so I think you need people that have a little extra feelings sometimes to get out

02:40:10.320 of instances and share, you know, share some of the feeling side of it.

02:40:14.120 And I'll be, especially your job.

02:40:15.840 I'll be judged.

02:40:16.480 I'll be judged based on this from people in the industry.

02:40:18.640 People in the industry will absolutely judge me based on this is literally, believe it

02:40:22.200 or not, this is the absolute first fucking time I have ever publicly said anything about

02:40:27.000 my childhood and being arrested and being in custody.

02:40:30.620 I worked with guys who are my friends who I care deeply about and I'd never made mention

02:40:36.200 of it.

02:40:36.560 And so much time went on.

02:40:37.680 I just thought it's irrelevant and there's no reason to bring it up.

02:40:40.220 And I just never did.

02:40:41.380 I just buried it.

02:40:42.500 This is the absolute first fucking time I've ever admitted that.

02:40:44.660 And it'll be interesting.

02:40:45.720 I don't know who's going to see it or what.

02:40:47.680 It'll be interesting to see what I'm old guy now, you know, it's be interesting to

02:40:51.800 see if people actually come back at me and go, you motherfucker or whatever it is, the

02:40:55.080 reaction I get fucking criminal.

02:40:57.260 But I do hope that people do listen to it and go like, Hey, there's something to it.

02:41:01.660 It's fascinating, man.

02:41:02.420 And it's fascinating.

02:41:03.080 You know, we had a border patrol security guy on one time and, um, which is just a public

02:41:08.220 service job, I guess, you know, in a way or some, something in the same world a little

02:41:11.840 bit.

02:41:12.160 Yes.

02:41:12.400 But it was interesting to hear about the border and the things that go on there and

02:41:15.560 the people that are getting run back and forth across there and how cartels own different

02:41:19.760 pieces of land there.

02:41:20.920 So if you even want to transport someone across a piece of land, you have to pay that cartel

02:41:25.240 even to like coyote somebody across the land and how a lot of the people coming in, some

02:41:30.620 of them aren't even Mexican.

02:41:31.740 And a lot of them are fucking, you know, uh, middle Eastern and they're fucking a lot

02:41:37.620 of pedophile, a lot of creatures, shit was like, Jesus Christ.

02:41:41.080 There's a lot of aspects to that that you don't even think of that we dealt with on a

02:41:44.220 daily basis.

02:41:44.740 A lot of people that come in are obviously coming here because they want a better life.

02:41:48.360 Totally down for that.

02:41:49.300 You know, there's just a process.

02:41:50.640 We just need the process.

02:41:51.520 Just do it.

02:41:51.880 The legal process, come everybody come, but let's just go through this process.

02:41:55.800 Cause we need that process because you wouldn't believe how many people come here and

02:42:00.300 they don't have the means or they just like, they don't have car insurance, right?

02:42:03.300 They don't, they're all these different things that they're just bypassing where it's causing

02:42:07.760 such turmoil in our world, in our system.

02:42:10.020 You know what I mean?

02:42:10.540 Those are the, those are the problems.

02:42:12.120 Well, all of that.

02:42:12.720 It's all like, how long are we going to strain this, the walls of our system?

02:42:16.120 You know?

02:42:16.980 I mean, we're already don't even, you know, and then it's still expect people to put a

02:42:22.260 president on television and be like America, you know, it's like, don't sell me this

02:42:26.120 fucking thing if you're not, uh, uh,

02:42:30.300 if it's not a real product.

02:42:31.840 Right.

02:42:32.560 Yeah.

02:42:33.000 And that's, what's really kind of happened.

02:42:34.380 I think it's, that's a lot of kind of what's, you know, it's one of the issues.

02:42:38.680 They bag it up into one thing.

02:42:40.460 You know, if you're against it, they say, well, you're a racist.

02:42:42.500 I'm not a racist at all.

02:42:43.960 I couldn't give a shit.

02:42:44.660 The only reason that I even think about it is because you keep talking about it, but

02:42:47.740 I just want them to come here.

02:42:49.840 I want them here.

02:42:51.240 Let's make sure they have a path to get here, but let's just follow the rules to get here.

02:42:55.680 That's it.

02:42:56.180 We have to have roll call.

02:42:57.040 You have to have like, if you don't know inventory, any business.

02:43:00.120 That doesn't have good inventory.

02:43:01.300 We'll go out of business.

02:43:02.280 If you don't have no, what's on the shelves or know what's here or what's there, it's

02:43:05.820 going to go out of business, man.

02:43:06.920 And that's what fucking starts to get scary because you have other people that are just

02:43:10.120 like, well, I was born here.

02:43:11.240 I'm just trying to play by whatever rules I was born into.

02:43:14.020 Maybe they were more fortunate than some other places.

02:43:16.160 I don't know.

02:43:16.980 In some ways they probably were in some ways they probably weren't, but, um, but I'm just

02:43:22.860 trying to play by the fucking rules and everybody's got to play by the rules.

02:43:27.240 And when our government isn't even playing by the rules anymore, then it's like, well,

02:43:30.320 then it makes it tough to think that someone just, uh, an everyday man is going to be like,

02:43:35.040 okay, I'm going to keep playing by them.

02:43:36.400 And I think that makes you guys' job even tougher.

02:43:38.760 It's like now you're having to almost do a government's job.

02:43:42.940 Well, we are.

02:43:43.740 Police departments are the government.

02:43:45.700 Right.

02:43:46.200 But they're just that wing that it's got to take care of all that, that stuff.

02:43:50.060 Right.

02:43:50.500 And you shouldn't be like the, you're the most accessible part of the government too

02:43:55.500 for people.

02:43:56.100 And that's fucking kind of scary because then you have people, if they don't like the government

02:43:59.340 or they think this, or they think that, then you're the person that they can really reach

02:44:03.220 to take it out on.

02:44:04.200 Yeah.

02:44:04.360 You know, I don't know.

02:44:05.800 I'm just kind of rambling.

02:44:07.240 Not me.

02:44:07.740 Not, not, not anymore.

02:44:08.820 You're free, baby.

02:44:10.260 Free, man.

02:44:10.960 What were so many news topics we wanted to hit before we get this man out of here?

02:44:14.920 Um, not specifically news, but I did want to hear about when you were on the show, Cops.

02:44:19.020 Oh yeah.

02:44:19.480 Good call.

02:44:20.020 Oh yeah.

02:44:20.200 Okay.

02:44:20.420 So, so Cops, it's super interesting.

02:44:23.020 Um, they used to watch that as a family.

02:44:24.780 God.

02:44:25.240 Yeah.

02:44:25.340 I used to watch it too.

02:44:26.060 Crazy.

02:44:26.860 Um, I met Roseanne Barr last night.

02:44:28.800 How was that?

02:44:30.440 The awesomest time.

02:44:32.480 Really?

02:44:33.460 Dude, I was, how did that get, why'd you bring up Roseanne Barr right now?

02:44:36.520 I just, I don't know.

02:44:37.960 I thought about it and I was so excited and I meant to tell you a little while ago, did you ever

02:44:41.320 see her show growing up?

02:44:42.260 Oh, absolutely.

02:44:43.000 Oh, dude.

02:44:44.240 I'm on stage at the comedy store.

02:44:45.600 Right.

02:44:45.860 And I hear this laugh in the back and only one other time it happened to me was Damon

02:44:50.780 Wayans.

02:44:51.260 I heard his laugh and I grew up watching his laugh and I heard her laugh and I, and it

02:44:56.420 fucking just flipped in my head.

02:44:58.040 I didn't know that she was back there and I was like, Oh my God, that Roseanne Barr is

02:45:03.580 in the room tonight in the crowd.

02:45:05.960 You know, there's probably 200 people in there where something was sold out and she was nice.

02:45:10.540 She was howling laughing.

02:45:12.340 So then I'm like, I got, I want to do the best I can.

02:45:15.920 And like for all the years that she made me laugh or made me feel or made me feel like

02:45:20.760 I, you know, mattered in the fucking universe with that poor family that they, that they

02:45:26.820 worked on.

02:45:27.460 Um, I wanted to just do, I had that one moment to like give as much back of that as I could

02:45:33.280 and I crushed and then I got to meet her after and anyway, I was just so fricking excited.

02:45:38.720 Um, and some girl came up and was like, Oh, and I even said to that girl, you are a menace

02:45:45.680 right now.

02:45:46.980 Okay.

02:45:47.700 I've worked too hard to get to meet Roseanne.

02:45:50.240 Right.

02:45:50.920 And you are fucking ruining it.

02:45:54.360 And she still goes, well, I just want to tell you.

02:45:56.860 She just kept telling Roseanne finally was like, you are ruining it.

02:46:01.060 Oh, that was so good.

02:46:01.960 That's funny that Roseanne Barr did that for you.

02:46:03.700 Anyway, I mean, look, there was definitely some other women did it too, but she, she

02:46:08.400 that, that had an impact and I just love her comedy and they tried to cancel her and it

02:46:13.400 just fucking was like, fuck them.

02:46:15.200 What'd they try to cancel her for?

02:46:16.360 They canceled her for some, uh, she had a tweet that the Twitter said was racist and she referenced

02:46:22.920 like, uh, I don't even remember what it was, but it wasn't racist.

02:46:25.780 It was just like a general term and they, you know, you know, Twitter was hopefully it'll

02:46:30.200 get better.

02:46:30.680 But anyway, let's, yeah, the cops, let's hear about it.

02:46:32.320 Cops, the way cops operates is, is that there's, there's, there's a few film crews.

02:46:37.140 There's a sound guy and there's a camera guy.

02:46:39.120 And I think, I don't remember how many men, but it was very few, like four or five of these

02:46:43.240 teams.

02:46:43.960 And these guys were so interesting.

02:46:45.600 Um, they essentially go out and by the time they came to our police department, it had

02:46:50.600 really changed, uh, because of civil law where you weren't able to just do film shit

02:46:55.700 and throw it on TV.

02:46:56.640 You had to get waivers from everyone that was involved.

02:46:59.160 And that involved criminals signing off saying, yeah, you can use that shit, which is fucking

02:47:03.780 so stupid.

02:47:04.780 If you signed off on that shit, you're the dumbest guy on the face of the earth because

02:47:07.820 it's all now evidence.

02:47:09.000 It could be used against you in court.

02:47:10.380 So it was really tough to get those guys to sign off.

02:47:12.720 But believe it or not, you know, unfortunately when it comes to crime, you're not dealing with

02:47:16.860 a lot of scholars.

02:47:17.600 So you would get a lot of signatures, but by then it was a little tougher.

02:47:20.700 So what they would do is, is they would ride with you.

02:47:23.620 They would pick an officer and they, they, I, I fortunate enough to be picked and they

02:47:27.240 would ride with you for two months, every single shift.

02:47:31.260 Yeah.

02:47:31.660 And that time I was working three 12s, which is three shifts, 12, three 12 hour shifts,

02:47:36.520 Friday, Saturday, Sunday, which was the busiest.

02:47:38.220 That's why a graveyard.

02:47:39.600 So that's why they wanted to ride with me.

02:47:41.780 And so you would go out with these guys and it, and the man, it was like, it was like

02:47:47.200 a, it was like performance anxiety.

02:47:49.180 You know what I mean?

02:47:49.780 It's like, I felt this twenties.

02:47:52.080 Yeah.

02:47:52.340 Right.

02:47:53.320 Jesus.

02:47:53.680 I just felt this need to perform, man, you know, and, and, and it's horrible.

02:47:57.900 It's harrowing.

02:47:58.840 Police work is some days there's just nothing going on.

02:48:02.720 You know, you gotta, you gotta self-generate, whether it be tickets and hope you can come

02:48:06.220 up with stuff.

02:48:06.860 So I always felt this pressure to go out, but speaking with these guys and their experiences,

02:48:11.560 like the, the sound guy had been shot in the leg, um, uh, the other guy, something had

02:48:17.400 happened.

02:48:17.660 Their stories were awesome.

02:48:18.940 Cause they had been all over.

02:48:20.580 They were telling me stories, dude.

02:48:22.100 I'm just going like, fuck, that is so awesome, dude.

02:48:24.520 I can't even believe you experienced all this shit that you've experienced.

02:48:28.820 I mean, these guys probably walked away from that show and have mental problems themselves

02:48:33.520 because they, they, they essentially were cops all the time on patrol.

02:48:39.580 Well, imagine you're a sound guy and you're like, Oh, it sounds like somebody got shot

02:48:42.920 and then it's fucking you.

02:48:45.620 Whatever.

02:48:46.140 You know, I mean, they had all kinds, these guys had great stories.

02:48:48.560 So essentially they would ride with you the whole time.

02:48:50.220 And the issue became is you felt so much pressure to get material.

02:48:53.980 Oh yeah.

02:48:54.700 Um, that when they wrote with me, they wrote with two different officers, me and another

02:48:58.860 guy.

02:48:59.320 And I literally didn't make the show.

02:49:02.320 I literally didn't make the show.

02:49:04.100 I didn't.

02:49:04.420 And the one time I did, the guy wouldn't sign off and they couldn't make the cuts to make

02:49:07.920 it relevant.

02:49:08.800 So I, they, I literally didn't make, but I actually became really good friends with these

02:49:12.400 guys.

02:49:12.580 Cause we'd spent so much time and talking that I, I, I was talking to him.

02:49:16.340 I don't now, but I was talking to him for quite a bit.

02:49:18.500 Kong going, where are you at?

02:49:19.360 And what's going on?

02:49:20.180 And, but the way that they do cops is when, when you watch it, it looks like it's, it's,

02:49:27.580 it's progressive.

02:49:28.780 It looks like this is happening.

02:49:30.040 You know what I mean?

02:49:30.580 And it never registers with you.

02:49:32.080 And like, they go, they're in the car and they get the radio call and it's like, oh,

02:49:36.040 you know, three 72 respond to non breather.

02:49:39.640 Yeah.

02:49:39.960 Whatever it is.

02:49:40.780 And you see the cop go, okay.

02:49:42.120 And then all of a sudden he's driving and then it cuts away and you see the car making a right

02:49:45.960 hand turn onto a street and never really registers with go, well, how the fuck did they

02:49:49.200 know he was going there?

02:49:50.180 To be on that thing.

02:49:51.120 You know what I mean?

02:49:51.880 I'm a guy that has no idea of the industry and editing all that.

02:49:55.520 So it wasn't until they rode with me and I watched the cops and I'm, and I went, well,

02:49:59.160 how the fuck are they getting all these angles and shit?

02:50:03.140 So what ends up happening is find out is they would, we would have the situation.

02:50:07.400 They would get out and they would, they would be in it.

02:50:10.120 I mean, you would have to literally tell these guys, look at dude, you need to step the fuck

02:50:13.340 back.

02:50:13.900 You know, you need to get behind that car right now.

02:50:15.620 I get it, but I, I need you to do that.

02:50:17.820 So they were always up on you and they'd be filming and get everything they can.

02:50:21.260 And then they would go back and go, Hey, look at, I think this is something we can use.

02:50:24.460 So this is what I need you to do.

02:50:25.580 I need you to drop my camera guy off on that corner.

02:50:27.880 And I want you to go back to this street.

02:50:30.660 And then I want you to fake like you're responding to the radio.

02:50:34.200 I'm going to be in it filming you, you know, with the other camera.

02:50:36.940 So there's acting involved, you know what I mean?

02:50:39.200 And I was a young kid and I just couldn't do it, dude.

02:50:41.520 I'm just not an actor.

02:50:42.380 You know what I mean?

02:50:42.740 So they would like be filming.

02:50:43.940 So all those guys you see doing it, that's all acting up until the actual scenario.

02:50:49.560 Wow.

02:50:50.420 Which you never really, never really crossed my mind.

02:50:53.000 No.

02:50:53.260 Yeah.

02:50:53.460 In my mind, I'm just thinking, Oh, that makes sense.

02:50:55.280 They have footage everywhere and they're just getting all the, you know, that's like,

02:50:58.380 they're just dialed in and getting everything.

02:51:00.320 That's you don't even think about now.

02:51:02.820 And they would have tell me, okay, now I want you to come and open that door.

02:51:05.120 You know what I mean?

02:51:05.760 And then you go back and watch an episode and go, okay, now this shit makes sense.

02:51:08.320 Why didn't that ever register with me?

02:51:09.580 This is all bullshit.

02:51:10.680 You know what I mean?

02:51:11.140 Except for the actual scenarios themselves.

02:51:14.620 Yeah.

02:51:14.960 You know, they would just film it raw and they would do their editing magic and, and make

02:51:19.320 an episode.

02:51:19.700 But it takes, it takes two months every single night with two different teams for a half hour

02:51:25.480 episode.

02:51:26.340 And they said they struggle sometimes to get that.

02:51:28.360 Damn.

02:51:28.900 Yeah.

02:51:30.780 I've struggled to get it, brother.

02:51:32.640 Right?

02:51:34.780 Yeah.

02:51:35.120 Um, it's weird that we're watching crime.

02:51:41.480 It's weird that we watch crime, that we devour it like that.

02:51:45.400 What does it do to our psyche when we just see crime, when we see murder disappearing,

02:51:51.400 you know, what does it do to us over time?

02:51:54.820 I, I've, that's, I couldn't even answer that question.

02:51:57.620 I always think how I, I always think, wow, I wonder how did I think about this kind of shit

02:52:01.320 before I was exposed to all this shit, because I don't think the same way you do.

02:52:05.420 You know what I mean?

02:52:06.000 You don't think the same way I do because I have a different perspective of, it'd be like

02:52:10.860 me having an opinion and the way I think about what I just explained movies, videos,

02:52:15.140 editing, you know, I don't, I don't understand how it works.

02:52:17.560 I don't know what's going on.

02:52:18.520 I don't know what it all pertains.

02:52:20.740 Same deal with police work.

02:52:22.080 I don't remember how I thought before, which is how you would think about it in its entirety.

02:52:27.420 You know, cops, what they do, what's going on, all that kind of shit, because I did it

02:52:32.080 for 20 years.

02:52:32.720 So I watch people when they watch these shows and most of the shows I go, fuck, this is

02:52:36.960 so stupid.

02:52:37.520 I can't even watch this dude because the world thinks this is what it is.

02:52:41.240 And this is so far from what it is.

02:52:43.800 This is just entertainment, but I, I, I don't know what the fascination with it.

02:52:49.780 Cause I see it and I just go, I'll watch it.

02:52:52.460 And in my mind, there'll be a scene where I've seen caught movies where like these guys

02:52:56.520 with AK 47s in the street and shoot, which is totally unrealistic, but anything like a

02:53:00.300 shooting or anything.

02:53:00.780 And for me, it just makes me feel bad.

02:53:03.540 You know what I mean?

02:53:03.820 For me, it's just nine times out of 10, it'll make me think of something that's inside my

02:53:08.300 brain that I don't even remember and know that it's there anymore, that all of a sudden,

02:53:13.500 like the example we said earlier, I'll see a kid in a red jacket and all of a sudden I'll,

02:53:16.740 I'll, I'll literally watch that kid and it just did.

02:53:20.380 That was the kid that ran into traffic.

02:53:21.680 Yeah.

02:53:21.940 I'll watch that kid die again.

02:53:23.240 And I always go like, what the fuck, you know, why the fuck am I thinking about that?

02:53:27.620 And when is that finally going to be gone?

02:53:29.320 And that's so crazy.

02:53:30.760 And that's all shit I'm doing to myself in my mind.

02:53:32.900 I'm not talking about it.

02:53:33.840 I don't talk to my wife about it, but that's my experience.

02:53:36.540 That happens to me a lot.

02:53:37.980 You know what I mean?

02:53:38.260 It happens to me a lot.

02:53:39.140 Little triggers, what they call them, you know, and I'll, and I'll think it's, and I won't,

02:53:43.520 it's never a good time to go, you know what I just thought of, honey?

02:53:46.080 I just thought of the first time I watched this fucking guy that, cause I saw a kid, you

02:53:48.980 just kind of keep it to yourself cause it's just the way that it is.

02:53:52.020 And so when the rest of the world watches that shit, I don't know, dude, I don't know

02:53:57.960 what the fascination is.

02:54:00.560 The same idea, I guess, is why did you want me to come in here and talk today?

02:54:04.380 Cause I guess you, people want to know, they want to know, they want to know, they want

02:54:08.520 to see, they want to understand.

02:54:09.900 And the problem with TV is that's, that's a, that's a leak.

02:54:14.800 That's a very watered down version of reality.

02:54:18.080 Right.

02:54:18.480 And it's also a version that they have mastered the, like how to have the algorithm of and

02:54:23.100 make it as quick, cheap to shoot as efficient as possible, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:54:27.980 And a lot of the people, the worst part is I think a lot of cop, maybe, you know, 50 years

02:54:33.320 ago, cop shows or detective shows how much somebody who involved in the production may have had a

02:54:38.640 family member that was an officer.

02:54:40.000 Now it's like, I feel like some of these people making stuff are so far removed from any of the

02:54:45.000 reality of it that, uh, they don't even have a human sense of it.

02:54:49.120 And so, you know, absolutely.

02:54:50.460 And if you watch as a cop, if you watch a show and you'll see it and you go do someone in law

02:54:54.640 enforcement had something to do with this.

02:54:56.080 You can tell, you can tell someone, someone that knows a cop or is a cop or has been a

02:55:00.280 pastor, they got a consultant or someone, someone told them that because no one else would know

02:55:04.900 that.

02:55:05.740 What about this, man?

02:55:06.760 Let's say it's a quiet night out there.

02:55:08.120 Are you ever, is there a way to bus off and get you a 20 minute nap in somewhere?

02:55:12.200 Oh, hell yeah.

02:55:12.860 Fuck yeah.

02:55:13.520 Yeah.

02:55:13.720 Hell yeah.

02:55:14.040 They had spots, man.

02:55:15.000 Especially on graveyards, three twelves after four o'clock.

02:55:17.860 Shit's silent.

02:55:18.620 The radio is silent.

02:55:19.500 We would, yeah, that's it, man.

02:55:22.380 We would get together because you want to be safe and sleep in a group, you know, and

02:55:26.740 like wolves or something.

02:55:28.440 Pretty much.

02:55:29.220 And one guy was lions, you know, lions sleep in a group.

02:55:32.220 Yeah.

02:55:32.540 Everybody had, there was always one guy that had to stay up.

02:55:35.420 Oh, you know what I mean?

02:55:36.460 And then that guy nine times out of 10 would fucking fall asleep anyways.

02:55:38.920 You know what I mean?

02:55:39.640 So.

02:55:39.900 I love that guy.

02:55:40.700 Yeah.

02:55:40.880 But that happened, that happens every night in cities, you know?

02:55:44.280 I mean, you just, you just have to, you know, you just got to do it in a responsible way.

02:55:47.380 And we would have a couple of times we would go behind this church and it was a parking

02:55:51.140 lot that was really secluded with a wall.

02:55:53.240 It was perfect.

02:55:53.640 You know, we'd have like six cars back there.

02:55:56.360 Everybody's sleeping.

02:55:57.060 Some of the guys would even take off their belts, you know, to get more comfortable.

02:55:59.900 Yeah.

02:56:00.840 Laying, sprawled across, bring blankets to lay over the middle.

02:56:04.480 And, but we actually would get woken up once in a while by the priest.

02:56:08.280 He would come in the morning and see us all there and knock on our window.

02:56:10.680 And it became a thing, you know, we're all, thank you so much.

02:56:13.420 And he was cool about it.

02:56:14.180 He never told on us.

02:56:15.260 And, you know, it just became our safe.

02:56:16.800 It was really safe.

02:56:17.660 Cause we had a priest.

02:56:18.560 Oh, yeah, dude.

02:56:19.940 God was, yeah, he's watching over us.

02:56:22.160 God's literally watching over you.

02:56:23.320 That's pretty cool.

02:56:24.080 Yeah.

02:56:24.280 Um, did, uh, oh, did they have, you know, a lot of people send in people, people send

02:56:30.280 in videos, a lot of like drug induced homosexuality, like men that will do drugs and then start

02:56:35.980 making out.

02:56:36.680 You guys see a lot of that out there.

02:56:38.360 Uh, and we're, we had a pretty prominent gay community.

02:56:42.920 Um, and, but anybody being gay is just kind of like, that's normal.

02:56:47.780 That's like a regular, some people are gay.

02:56:49.820 Some people are straight.

02:56:50.440 Some people are in the middle.

02:56:51.120 So I'm talking about men that get geeked up on pills or powder or uppers, poppers and

02:56:56.300 all that kind of stuff.

02:56:57.200 Yeah.

02:56:57.320 Methamphetamine is really big in the gay community.

02:56:59.560 So will meth lead people to being gay?

02:57:01.760 You think?

02:57:02.880 Uh, no, you could give me about a pound of meth and I don't think I'd ever be gay.

02:57:06.840 I don't think it ever leads up to being gay, but it definitely, it definitely, uh, I think

02:57:10.960 it enhanced the situations.

02:57:12.980 You know, we had a part.

02:57:14.500 Yeah.

02:57:14.660 Right.

02:57:15.060 It made it.

02:57:15.440 That's all it takes.

02:57:16.380 So it was a little enhancement.

02:57:17.420 Get that video, Zach.

02:57:18.400 Do we have it?

02:57:19.580 I'm looking, I'm looking for it.

02:57:20.760 Okay, cool.

02:57:21.260 Thanks.

02:57:21.600 Yeah.

02:57:21.720 We had a park where they would, where the gay community would get together and kind of

02:57:25.060 meet each other.

02:57:25.740 And, and, and, and it was in the bathroom.

02:57:27.920 There was this whole process that they, they would, they would participate in to meet one

02:57:32.200 another.

02:57:32.500 And it was, you would stand at the urinal in the public bathroom.

02:57:36.300 And if you were standing there long enough and did the right looks and that the other

02:57:39.560 guys would know, and it was, Hey, how are you?

02:57:41.420 And sometimes a little further.

02:57:42.780 So we would have guys work, um, at that time just because the people didn't like it in the

02:57:47.540 park and it became real prevalent in one park.

02:57:49.520 I mean, and, and sometimes the sexual activity was a little rampant, a little much being

02:57:56.480 performed in a public park.

02:57:57.800 So they wanted to go away.

02:57:58.860 So we'd had the guys undercover that would go in and stand there and think we actually

02:58:02.160 had an officer that was standing there and he made himself known as a police officer

02:58:07.120 because it became apparent.

02:58:08.460 And the guy grabs his, his junk and got a death grip on it.

02:58:12.660 Cause he was scared, you know?

02:58:13.900 And, and yeah, the situation was hilarious cause he wouldn't let go.

02:58:16.980 And we all had to come in and we're screaming at this guy, let him go, let him go.

02:58:20.360 And the guy's just holding on his wiener.

02:58:21.740 Cops.

02:58:22.100 Yeah.

02:58:22.420 This guy standing there with a death grip on his thing.

02:58:24.320 And he doesn't even want to get in a fight or nothing because there ain't a lot of holding

02:58:27.420 that on, you know?

02:58:28.720 So, right.

02:58:30.020 Yeah.

02:58:30.160 All it takes is one real meth head to rip hard.

02:58:32.240 I imagine.

02:58:33.000 Yeah.

02:58:33.220 That's something I don't want to discover.

02:58:34.700 Did, um, but do, um, did, uh, did you, some guys have to get stationed in the bathroom

02:58:40.960 sometimes?

02:58:42.180 We, that's what we would do.

02:58:43.320 We would go in the bathroom and put ourselves in the situation too.

02:58:47.040 Oh, I see.

02:58:47.680 It was a whole process and drugs were very prevalent.

02:58:50.060 Yeah.

02:58:50.160 Oh, Hey, can I give you some of this and that?

02:58:52.180 Let's see what, this is what's happening.

02:58:53.420 And we're seeing people sending in this type of stuff here and these two gentlemen, you

02:58:57.700 can, and how they're just buddies, you know, but I think at the drug that a certain point

02:59:08.060 gets you pretty close there, you know, like, Oh, are we, yeah, it's like, Oh, that's just

02:59:14.380 almost like a goodbye.

02:59:15.440 It doesn't really see that to me.

02:59:16.720 It doesn't seem like really like homoerotic behavior.

02:59:19.560 That just seemed like two fellas is like, I'm fucked up.

02:59:21.940 Are you going to miss you?

02:59:23.420 It looks like the one guy is maybe not totally into it and maybe he's just trying to get

02:59:26.780 a free slurpee or something, but there's something in it for him.

02:59:30.140 But this is a lot of what's been going on these days and people have been sending in

02:59:33.640 a lot of videos like this.

02:59:35.140 Yeah.

02:59:35.480 We actually, um, I, when I was in homicide, I actually went to a training course where

02:59:40.420 they taught about, um, in the community, in the gay community, apparently based on the

02:59:45.400 training I received, there's something called, it was called, they called it homosexual

02:59:50.640 overkill.

02:59:51.460 And when there's murders involved in the gay community, it's usually really, really brutal,

02:59:56.940 really passionate, really over the top, you know, like chopping each other, chopping up.

03:00:02.380 And, and I think the training was just to make you aware when you came to a murder, if you saw

03:00:07.600 something that was completely over the top, as far as the way it went down, that it was,

03:00:14.020 there could be that, it could be an avenue to start looking at, you know, maybe this

03:00:17.960 is a, maybe a gay community thing where we can get some information from or like Jeffrey

03:00:21.840 Dahmer, really essentially.

03:00:23.540 Yeah.

03:00:23.960 I mean, I, I remember going to the training and it was, it was very graphic, whether that's

03:00:28.220 true in its entirety or not.

03:00:29.580 I don't know.

03:00:30.280 Well, gay guys, I think do everything to extreme kind of, so I don't think I'd be shocked

03:00:33.740 if they're like, you know, Julian, a guy up or something, if he's being a bad guy.

03:00:38.220 Yeah.

03:00:38.440 Um, I think we covered a lot of stuff.

03:00:40.720 What do you think there, Zach?

03:00:42.040 Yeah, we pretty much covered everything in the run of show.

03:00:44.060 A lot of stories.

03:00:44.940 Brad, we'd love, well, look, man, I think we'd love to even have you back sometime.

03:00:47.300 We'll have you back when there's a crime or something, or if there's something neat that

03:00:49.800 we can talk about.

03:00:50.600 I've just, I've really enjoyed learning about what, uh, some of your experience has been

03:00:55.780 like, you know, and getting a little bit more of an emotional aspect of, of what an

03:01:01.700 officer goes through and could potentially go through every day.

03:01:04.540 That's crazy.

03:01:05.140 I mean, I think about a 21 year old guy just rolling out of a parking lot in a, in a vehicle

03:01:10.540 and like.

03:01:11.200 In a different time.

03:01:12.140 I mean, a good time when cops were looked at a little different.

03:01:15.080 I used to post up at three o'clock in the morning at the nightclubs getting out, you

03:01:18.200 know, because there was actually an appeal to being a police officer.

03:01:22.960 So, you know, I started at a good time and I ended in a bad time for being a cop, you

03:01:27.380 know, it's, but.

03:01:28.860 Do you think we can get to a better time again, or do you think we, you're curious to see

03:01:32.360 how we're going to get there?

03:01:33.140 Yeah.

03:01:33.300 I don't know.

03:01:33.780 We got to, we have to.

03:01:34.980 It's got to get better.

03:01:36.020 It can't, it can't get any worse or we're going to be in real trouble, but I really

03:01:40.000 appreciate you having me in here and having the venue to, to, you know, say some, tell

03:01:45.560 you some stuff about what it really is like.

03:01:47.200 And I hope it's been beneficial.

03:01:48.780 It's been awesome, man.

03:01:49.560 It's been fascinating.

03:01:50.820 Brad White.

03:01:51.660 Thank you so much for your time, man.

03:01:53.200 Absolutely.

03:01:53.700 Thank you.

03:01:54.220 You bet.

03:01:54.560 Happy holidays.

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