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00:01:59.740 Today's guest is the founder of Barstool and Barstool Sports.

00:02:05.580 He's a media legend.

00:02:12.020 He's kind of a revolutionary in a way.

00:02:14.740 He's kind of a dang Paul Revere for a lot of people.

00:02:19.920 He has a unique ability.

00:02:22.120 He makes you feel like anything is possible.

00:02:25.500 And I'm grateful to have him here today.

00:02:27.840 Today's guest is Dave Portnaway.

00:02:30.300 Shine that light on me

00:02:34.500 I'll sit and tell you my stories

00:02:40.540 Shine on me

00:02:45.480 And I will find a song

00:02:49.420 I've been singing

00:02:50.600 I'm going to stay

00:02:51.440 I'm going to stay

00:02:51.480 We hired, I mean, I hired a guy strictly because he's legally blind.

00:03:02.260 But it was like, yeah, it was like in the, like he interviewed, you know, it was a, it was a wallpaper.

00:03:08.260 I mean, it was so boring.

00:03:09.780 But he knew me.

00:03:10.780 He's like, I have one thing that may sway you like in my favor.

00:03:13.700 He's like, what?

00:03:14.640 He's like, well, I'm legally blind.

00:03:15.940 I'm like, well, like, can I make fun of you for it?

00:03:18.020 Like, is it open game?

00:03:19.260 He's like, yeah.

00:03:20.280 So we hired him.

00:03:21.360 Oh, wow.

00:03:21.940 He's still like, so he's still with us in a way.

00:03:25.480 Like to the point we thought he was faking it because like he knew that would get me.

00:03:30.180 So one day we just, and a bunch of people thought he was faking it.

00:03:34.840 So we called him up.

00:03:36.120 I'm like, I'm just going to like toss my wallet to him to see if he were actually, smacked him right in the face.

00:03:40.320 The only time I felt bad.

00:03:42.040 So he was literally, literally blind.

00:03:44.860 But he'd sit at his computer, like what you were saying, with this huge magnifying glass.

00:03:48.300 You tell him to do something, it took him four hours.

00:03:51.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:52.280 It was kind of a gimmick, but not the most productive guy to ever come down the street.

00:03:56.400 Yeah, we interviewed a blind woman one time, and it was pretty fascinating.

00:04:01.440 She said she almost feels like a computer sometimes, like how she would remember the way she would walk to school and stuff like that.

00:04:09.060 So she lost her sight?

00:04:10.300 Yeah, she had some sight when she was young, and it wasn't a lot, and then she lost it completely.

00:04:15.440 And so then she had to like, she said she started to feel like a computer.

00:04:18.500 And the only animal she didn't like, she said, was a snake.

00:04:21.280 She said a snake doesn't give any feedback.

00:04:23.420 She's like, it just feels like, just like a piece of Satan, I guess.

00:04:27.500 Maybe I was born to be blind.

00:04:28.560 I don't like snakes either.

00:04:29.740 Yeah.

00:04:30.620 That's the age-old question.

00:04:31.840 Like, would you rather, like, if you were blind, would you rather have been able to see or never been able to see?

00:04:40.300 I think I would like to, if I'm going to be blind, I'm going all in.

00:04:43.640 I'm saying never see.

00:04:44.400 Right, because then you don't know what you're missing.

00:04:46.020 Yeah.

00:04:46.400 And then you can yell stuff.

00:04:48.020 You could use like, I don't want to say slurs, but you could probably say things that are, other people are going to be like, oh, he shouldn't say anything.

00:04:54.740 Like, oh, he's blind, you know?

00:04:58.800 Dave Portnoy, thanks for coming in, man.

00:05:00.500 Yep.

00:05:00.700 But we don't know each other that great, you know?

00:05:03.700 Definitely not.

00:05:04.380 Yeah.

00:05:05.440 Definitely not.

00:05:06.520 I feel like maybe we're.

00:05:08.580 I mean, we just met recently, really, for the first time.

00:05:10.800 I think it was the U.S.

00:05:12.260 No.

00:05:13.360 When was the first time we met?

00:05:14.280 Was it at the LSU tailgate, I think?

00:05:17.200 Yeah.

00:05:17.640 And then we saw each other a couple times after that.

00:05:19.420 Yeah.

00:05:20.660 Yeah, man.

00:05:21.240 We're kind of like, just sort of getting to know each other.

00:05:23.600 Um, and you are, uh, you grew up in New York.

00:05:30.840 Wrong.

00:05:31.460 See, we don't know each other that well.

00:05:32.800 Boston.

00:05:33.600 Oh, yeah.

00:05:34.660 Yeah.

00:05:35.160 But does Boston always have such a chip on their shoulder about New York?

00:05:38.080 It's almost like, it almost seems like, um, there's more like, it seemed like New York, but with more like kind of spousal abuse, kind of a little bit low-key, you know?

00:05:47.880 Yeah, I don't know.

00:05:48.520 I'd have to look up the stats on that one.

00:05:50.240 Uh, it, there's definitely animosity.

00:05:54.100 I don't know if it stems from like spousal abuse, but it's the, uh, you know, New York.

00:05:58.720 So I grew up in Boston and everybody in New York is always like, Boston is a little town.

00:06:03.360 Yeah.

00:06:03.600 Basically, it's not a city, it's a town.

00:06:05.160 You know, you, as a Boston guy, you kind of take offense to that.

00:06:08.100 Then we moved to New York and New York's, it is compared to Boston.

00:06:11.400 It's a small little city, but it's so close.

00:06:13.440 The sports rivalry reminds me, I was in Milwaukee, right?

00:06:16.780 And I, uh, did a pizza review, which I do in a, and I thought I was in Milwaukee.

00:06:20.500 It's actually in Racine.

00:06:21.680 Oh yeah.

00:06:22.200 The Racine Bells from, um, League of Their Own.

00:06:24.860 I was actually, I didn't realize it until after and I was mad.

00:06:27.400 I didn't know that I would have worked it in, but Racine people were very upset that I was calling it Milwaukee.

00:06:31.940 Like you're in Racine, you're not Milwaukee.

00:06:33.780 It's kind of that vibe, Boston, you know?

00:06:35.560 Yeah.

00:06:36.240 Like the underdog.

00:06:37.300 When you were growing up, what kind of like school did you go to?

00:06:39.800 Like, what was it like when you were growing up?

00:06:41.560 Like traditional, I was middle class, went to all public, like Swampscott.

00:06:46.220 Uh, just, I grew, the town I grew up was called Swampscott.

00:06:48.620 So I just went to the normal high school, normal, normal middle school, normal everything.

00:06:52.020 Like my friends that I grew up with are still like really my best friends.

00:06:55.860 Oh yeah?

00:06:56.280 Yeah.

00:06:56.960 And what was it like at your house?

00:06:58.360 Like, was your dad pretty cool or what was he like?

00:07:02.280 No, he's definitely, I went to, cool is not the word.

00:07:05.540 I would ever describe my dad as he's like, my parents are like the Seinfelds.

00:07:11.320 That's a better way to like Morty, you know, Morty.

00:07:14.540 And he takes, by the way, great offense to that.

00:07:16.640 Oh, he loves it?

00:07:17.380 No, no.

00:07:18.000 He, if you're like, you're like Morty Seinfeld, when Morty Seinfeld does something weird on

00:07:21.960 side, he's like, no, I'm not.

00:07:22.760 What are you talking about?

00:07:23.620 But he is exactly like them.

00:07:25.760 They're kind of maybe the traditional, like overprotective, like Jewish, like family parents

00:07:31.600 kind of, that's what they are.

00:07:33.180 Is it fun?

00:07:34.180 So you've been Jewish your whole life.

00:07:35.180 I mean, you're, okay.

00:07:36.500 Is it fun being Jewish?

00:07:38.020 Like, what is it like?

00:07:39.200 Like, no, I won't say it's fun.

00:07:41.000 It's nothing.

00:07:41.980 Like I wasn't overly religious.

00:07:43.600 Right.

00:07:44.080 So, but it, no, I wouldn't say it's fun.

00:07:46.820 You got to battle, you know, I, I, I, like Jews, you know, there's more, everyone celebrates

00:07:53.280 Christmas, like far fewer do Hanukkah.

00:07:56.020 So like in the early days of Barstool, we had this guy, Kevin Clancy gets the big ass tree,

00:08:00.900 you know, it's like, well, if we're going to do a big ass tree, I'm going to get a big

00:08:04.280 ass menorah.

00:08:04.920 We had the biggest menorah like ever made.

00:08:06.540 It had to be like put together in the office just so we weren't getting like short shifted

00:08:10.620 on it.

00:08:11.080 But, uh, yeah, no, I don't, I don't really give a fuck.

00:08:14.660 Um, I'm not overly religious.

00:08:16.760 I mean, you know, I'll stick up for Jews if we're getting like, if Kanye is like, you

00:08:21.020 know, Hitler wasn't that bad of a dude, I'll be able to hold on there.

00:08:24.180 Like he kind of was like, I don't know.

00:08:26.320 I like, well, he did rail.

00:08:27.740 He did the highway system.

00:08:29.320 I'm like, yeah, but you know, he used it wrong.

00:08:31.660 Yeah.

00:08:31.900 He killed a lot of us too.

00:08:33.300 So I don't know that one plus one equals two or whatever.

00:08:35.680 So, but I'm not, you know, I'm not overly, but like shit like that, I will get involved.

00:08:40.380 Like when people are defending him, it's like the guy's out here, like basically pro Hitler,

00:08:45.440 how can anyone defend him?

00:08:46.440 So that shit I'll speak up on, but I'm not, you know, I'm not overly like a lot of the

00:08:53.380 holidays I don't follow and stuff like that.

00:08:55.400 Yeah.

00:08:55.900 Yeah.

00:08:56.240 That's always one or like probably half of my closest friends are Jewish, especially once

00:09:00.440 you get to like LA or New York, you meet a lot more Jewish people.

00:09:02.980 They didn't have like a lot of Jewish people when I was growing up.

00:09:05.720 So we're running the media.

00:09:07.620 Yeah.

00:09:08.140 That's what they say.

00:09:09.080 I mean, yeah, I don't, I mean, there's so many Jewish people that work in the media.

00:09:14.900 I don't know.

00:09:15.780 I have no idea.

00:09:17.000 You know, it's like, I don't know who's, I don't know who's, if somebody's really running

00:09:21.980 something, I don't know.

00:09:23.040 No.

00:09:23.300 Well, I mean, it's like anything you can look, I run Barstool Sports.

00:09:25.980 That's a media company.

00:09:26.660 I work my ass for it.

00:09:27.640 I mean, whatever it, listen, there's bad people or scumbags in every race, religion,

00:09:33.260 creed, whatever, Jews get a bad rap, but a lot of people get bad rap.

00:09:38.020 So what?

00:09:38.680 Yeah.

00:09:39.020 I was just wondering, what is it like?

00:09:40.340 Like, does it feel, I wonder if it feels different being Jewish?

00:09:42.940 Does it feel like.

00:09:44.780 Like, do I wake up?

00:09:45.800 I'm like, damn, I'm a Jew.

00:09:47.920 Or like, yeah, I guess, I don't know.

00:09:50.120 I guess I don't even know what I'm asking.

00:09:51.440 I guess I just, I guess sometimes wonder what it feels like.

00:09:54.380 Yeah.

00:09:54.480 I guess like.

00:09:55.040 The thing about it though, which I've always said.

00:09:57.520 So.

00:09:58.120 Because Jewish people are very determined.

00:09:59.400 Jewish people like to create value in things.

00:10:01.460 Yeah.

00:10:01.700 Well, I think it's kind of like a family thing.

00:10:03.780 Like, they're very, very education, very hardworking, and put a premium on that.

00:10:09.280 And then it shows.

00:10:10.100 But the thing about being Jewish, which I have always pointed out that we're getting deep,

00:10:13.780 but it's like, people say, you'll hear this a lot.

00:10:16.140 Like, what are you?

00:10:16.920 And some will be like, I'm Italian.

00:10:18.320 I'm fucking, you know, Russian.

00:10:20.280 I'm Jewish.

00:10:20.920 Yeah.

00:10:21.680 But Jewish, like, if I wanted to change being Jewish tomorrow, I could.

00:10:24.640 It's not like a blood thing.

00:10:25.880 And Jewish is a religion that you choose.

00:10:27.720 If someone wants to be Catholic, they can choose it in a second.

00:10:30.400 You can't change being, like, Italian.

00:10:32.840 Right.

00:10:33.440 That's what you are.

00:10:34.480 Like, if you're born from there.

00:10:35.820 So Jewish, it's kind of one of those things over time, I think it's probably out of prejudice.

00:10:40.080 People make it sound like it's your blood.

00:10:41.740 It's fucking not your blood.

00:10:43.000 It's like, it's your religion that somewhere along the way somebody chose to believe.

00:10:46.720 But you can change it.

00:10:48.020 Like, I'm Russian.

00:10:49.100 My family is from Russia.

00:10:51.140 Oh, you are?

00:10:51.740 I could see that a little bit now.

00:10:53.460 Yeah.

00:10:53.720 Yeah.

00:10:54.260 And we don't, in my family, to be honest, we don't talk, like, I don't even know that

00:10:58.120 much about the history.

00:10:58.940 I'm sure bad shit happened.

00:11:00.140 Like, most people don't leave their country just because.

00:11:02.560 Dang, you're Russian?

00:11:03.620 Yeah.

00:11:04.080 Yeah.

00:11:04.380 Russian.

00:11:05.280 Dang.

00:11:05.780 Yep.

00:11:06.900 Marussi.

00:11:07.380 Wow, man.

00:11:09.320 That's great, man.

00:11:10.240 I don't know.

00:11:10.500 I knew this one Russian girl and she was so sexy, man.

00:11:13.620 And God, she invited me over one time and, like, she was sick or something.

00:11:18.160 I brought her some soup and she, like, was so aggressively trying to fuck that I got so

00:11:23.640 While she didn't feel well?

00:11:24.540 Yeah.

00:11:24.940 And so that, I was like, oh, what do you do here?

00:11:27.480 You know?

00:11:28.520 See, I'm such a hypochondriac.

00:11:30.400 I would, I'd be like, not, like, you got to get healthy.

00:11:32.760 Well, that's kind of how I was.

00:11:34.060 I was so scared.

00:11:35.040 There's, like, you know, I kept trying to lead her back to the soup and she kept coming

00:11:38.700 for me.

00:11:39.940 And, uh, and I got so scared because she was sick, but she was so, like, aggressive and

00:11:44.200 determined and.

00:11:45.280 It's wild.

00:11:45.980 Yeah.

00:11:46.240 It was interesting, man.

00:11:47.280 And she actually went to jail.

00:11:48.340 She went to jail.

00:11:50.180 I remember she hit me up, like, years later to come testify for her in something and I

00:11:54.940 couldn't make it.

00:11:55.920 All right.

00:11:56.120 I just wanted to sleep in, honestly.

00:11:58.020 Yeah, that's tough.

00:11:59.100 Like, if you're being asked to testify and you're like, sorry, I slept in.

00:12:03.560 You must not have really been that close with her to skip the, you know, skip the trial

00:12:09.240 or whatever she was going down for.

00:12:11.360 She's like, I need somebody to show up.

00:12:13.420 Yeah.

00:12:13.520 I guess, I guess my question is like, I, does it feel, do you feel a lot of pressure being

00:12:17.800 Jewish to be successful?

00:12:19.460 No, no.

00:12:21.160 Oh, that's interesting.

00:12:22.220 No, I don't feel pressure to be successful at all, but no, nothing to do with, if anything,

00:12:27.860 like, I feel like there, no, there's a lot of successful Jews.

00:12:31.160 Yeah.

00:12:31.380 My parents weren't like, hey, you're Jewish, you better be successful now.

00:12:34.780 Oh, maybe that's what it is.

00:12:35.640 Maybe I have a lot of friends, a lot of my Jewish friends are successful, you know?

00:12:38.540 And so it's like, yeah, I guess I wonder, do I feel like that there's a pressure?

00:12:43.300 And then all my Jewish friends are always saying that their moms are always driving

00:12:45.900 them nuts.

00:12:46.380 And so I guess I started to do that.

00:12:48.240 I started to put those things together.

00:12:49.720 I love my mother.

00:12:50.600 She's coming to the Super Bowl with me just to like, probably get away from my dad for a

00:12:54.200 couple of days.

00:12:54.640 But my mother's the type of woman, and again, this is a typical, like, I go home, I'll go

00:13:01.700 back to wherever I'm going, and, you know, I open my, like, suitcase, and they'll be like,

00:13:06.100 jeez, it's hidden in there, and, like, all sorts of gadgets.

00:13:09.660 Like, she's just overprotective.

00:13:12.240 Like, she doesn't, anything I say, I don't want that, don't do this, she'll do it.

00:13:16.280 Like, she's always, you know, if I could walk around a giant bubble, like, that's what

00:13:20.760 they do.

00:13:21.020 Like, my grandmother, I remember one time, I was looking at colleges, and there was a

00:13:24.920 plane crash.

00:13:25.620 We were driving.

00:13:26.500 Yeah.

00:13:26.760 And she called, worried, she's like, the plane crash, you all right?

00:13:29.820 Like, we weren't, we weren't flying.

00:13:31.980 She's like, well, the plane could have landed on you.

00:13:34.020 Like, that's the type of, like, thing, you know, just a little bit overly protective.

00:13:39.040 Okay, interesting.

00:13:40.380 But no pressure, no pressure on that.

00:13:41.900 I mean, I originally wanted to be, like, a gym teacher.

00:13:45.920 Like, that was what I graduated, actually, college with, and they would have been fine with

00:13:49.580 it.

00:13:49.680 But they've been supportive, no pressure at all.

00:13:51.920 They're just, I think the Jewish thing, from my perspective, it's just most, it's just super

00:13:56.660 intense on, like, education.

00:13:58.680 Like, do good in school.

00:13:59.780 Like, if you were fucking off on school, my parents would be like, what are you doing?

00:14:04.260 Right.

00:14:04.600 And I did fuck off a little bit at school, but that, they'd be in your grill about that.

00:14:08.040 Yeah.

00:14:08.640 That's it.

00:14:09.480 Were you, yeah, because I'm just curious, you know, I'm just curious.

00:14:13.060 And so, do you, like, did, in high school, were you, like, kind of, like, a funny guy?

00:14:18.320 Were you, like, kind of, like, the guy who was, like, the student council leader?

00:14:23.220 Like, what kind of, like, what was some of your vibe in high school?

00:14:25.680 So, yeah, I played sports, hung out with, like...

00:14:29.120 Or your riz, actually, which I learned what it means from you and your TikTok.

00:14:32.980 I didn't know.

00:14:33.560 Yeah.

00:14:33.860 I didn't know that either until, yeah.

00:14:35.680 You put those fucking kids up on game, fuck them.

00:14:37.600 Yeah, right.

00:14:38.400 Sorry, I mean, they're good kids.

00:14:40.960 So, this should give you an insight into, like, I, and this is, again, my parents being, like,

00:14:47.420 you got to get your resume right for, like, going to college.

00:14:50.260 So, I was the vice president of my class, and that was, like, calculated because I didn't

00:14:55.140 want to do the work.

00:14:55.840 So, I was, like, I'm not going to run for president because then you got to do shit.

00:14:58.720 Vice president, kind of skate, but put it on the resume.

00:15:01.500 So, that's what I did, and then I played sports.

00:15:04.100 So, I was just, again, I'd say I ran in, like, the popular crowd, but I was friends with everybody.

00:15:09.440 Yeah.

00:15:09.840 A little bit funny.

00:15:10.960 Yeah.

00:15:11.240 You know, I couldn't get by on looks, so if you don't go looks, you go funny.

00:15:14.600 Yeah.

00:15:14.940 Oh, yeah.

00:15:15.280 Trust me, dude.

00:15:16.020 I feel you.

00:15:16.780 I'm on, like, an eight.

00:15:17.540 I've always been kind of, like, an eight, and you got to fucking, you got to...

00:15:21.320 An eight?

00:15:21.780 You got to come up with some jokes.

00:15:22.860 Yeah.

00:15:23.180 Like, on looks, I think.

00:15:24.040 Out of a 10?

00:15:24.820 Yeah.

00:15:25.500 That's a fucking super high score.

00:15:27.980 I don't think.

00:15:28.620 You think it's that high?

00:15:29.980 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 Eight?

00:15:31.860 Eight.

00:15:32.460 So, who's a 10?

00:15:35.100 Like, what's Matthew McConaughey?

00:15:37.280 I think he was a 10.

00:15:38.480 I think he's coming down a touch.

00:15:40.180 All right.

00:15:42.000 Let's go somebody who's...

00:15:43.480 I mean, look, the kid you work with, Josh Richards.

00:15:45.300 Okay.

00:15:45.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:46.020 I mean, the guy is...

00:15:47.040 Yeah.

00:15:47.480 I mean, he's an attractive woman.

00:15:48.840 I mean, he's...

00:15:49.460 Yeah, no, he's a good-looking guy.

00:15:50.620 Yeah.

00:15:50.740 He's, like, he's the fucking...

00:15:52.420 I'm sorry, he actually turned 21 yesterday, but he's, like, the Calvin Klein's model.

00:15:58.440 Is he?

00:15:58.760 Yeah.

00:15:59.520 He's doing Calvin Klein's, like...

00:16:00.880 Oh, my God, dude.

00:16:03.140 God, I'd put tits on him if I don't know him.

00:16:05.860 I know that.

00:16:06.800 I mean, he is, yeah.

00:16:06.980 I know, he's a good-looking kid.

00:16:07.880 He always is.

00:16:08.500 When I walked in with that original TikTok crew, he's definitely a good-looking guy.

00:16:11.820 Smart kid, too.

00:16:12.660 He looks like a mannequin.

00:16:13.740 There's a good picture of you guys together right there impersonating each other.

00:16:17.500 Yeah, that was, like, the first time we met.

00:16:19.180 So, that's when we launched this thing.

00:16:21.580 Where did you guys meet at, dude?

00:16:22.980 So, do you know...

00:16:24.500 You probably do know this guy because he knows fucking everybody.

00:16:28.120 Do you know Michael Gruen?

00:16:29.540 Michael Gruen.

00:16:30.360 No, but he's...

00:16:31.240 Bruen?

00:16:31.680 Gruen.

00:16:32.180 With a G.

00:16:32.880 No.

00:16:33.560 That's surprising because I feel like this dude knows everybody.

00:16:37.340 So, there he is.

00:16:40.120 No, but he looks like kind of like a...

00:16:42.720 So, basically, I was on Twitter one day, and Dixie DeMello, yeah, she broke up with her

00:16:50.880 boyfriend at the time.

00:16:51.720 You may not.

00:16:52.100 These are huge.

00:16:53.500 Yeah, I know she is.

00:16:54.200 Yeah, so she was, like, the original kind of it girl on TikTok.

00:16:57.080 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:57.960 And it broke into Twitter.

00:16:59.680 Okay.

00:16:59.960 And they broke up, and everyone was talking about Twitter, and I was like, who the fuck

00:17:03.360 are these people?

00:17:04.600 Gruen, who is Josh Richards' manager, reached out.

00:17:07.280 He's like, hey, he'll explain it to you.

00:17:08.960 We want to do an Instagram Live with him.

00:17:11.120 So, I was like, sure.

00:17:12.020 We did it, and I was surprised.

00:17:14.000 We kind of, like, had some chemistry.

00:17:15.860 I'm like, who is this kid?

00:17:16.960 Snapchat reached out after we did that.

00:17:19.680 Like, would you guys do a show on Snapchat?

00:17:22.020 I had no interest because I wasn't...

00:17:24.620 Like, Snapchat just wasn't where I wanted to be.

00:17:27.100 TikTok, I knew was something.

00:17:28.780 It's like, I'm sure you view the world at times.

00:17:30.980 Like, all right, I got to get my name.

00:17:32.540 Like, who are these kids on TikTok?

00:17:34.340 Because Barstool had been around for a while, but nobody knew us on TikTok.

00:17:37.100 It was a younger demo.

00:17:38.780 So, to me, partnering with him, who was big on TikTok, was like, all right, that's going

00:17:43.380 to get me, Barstool, maybe this new audience, and that's where it came from.

00:17:46.860 He wanted to get maybe a little more credible with, like, an older crowd who had been around.

00:17:51.400 I wanted to get the TikTok crowd to know who we were, and that's where it came from.

00:17:55.180 It's great.

00:17:56.180 Yeah, I came on that show.

00:17:57.160 So, Michael Gruen is his manager.

00:17:58.780 He was.

00:17:59.520 He was.

00:18:00.020 Okay.

00:18:00.260 And he, like, just connected people.

00:18:03.480 He, you know, I still hear from you once.

00:18:06.060 Yeah.

00:18:06.900 When I first met him, no joke to Gruen, the first thing I said to him was he was the most

00:18:12.400 obnoxious human I ever met.

00:18:13.880 Is he really?

00:18:14.920 He grew on me, but he can come across as sandpaper when you meet him.

00:18:18.620 But I do like him now.

00:18:20.280 He's Gruen on people, huh?

00:18:21.800 Yeah.

00:18:22.380 Well played.

00:18:23.240 Oh, wow.

00:18:23.900 And, yeah, I would like to maybe meet that guy.

00:18:27.680 But then, yeah, it's interesting if people kind of get on your nerves, you know.

00:18:33.320 I had this dude that used to kind of, would always kind of bite the air a little bit.

00:18:37.380 He had a little bit of a, just a little hitch in him, you know.

00:18:41.240 Like Val Kilmer, like Iceman.

00:18:44.480 Like that.

00:18:45.040 Like he was eating a berry off a tree or something, you know.

00:18:47.940 And he would do that just every now and then.

00:18:49.580 And, like, you can deal with it for a while.

00:18:50.980 Yeah.

00:18:51.220 But after about that 50th berry, you got to fucking shut him down or you got to leave the room.

00:18:55.600 Do you know the part I'm talking about with Iceman and Top Gun?

00:18:59.780 Uh-uh.

00:19:00.020 He just, he's like, that's right, Iceman.

00:19:02.280 I am dangerous.

00:19:03.040 He just bites the air.

00:19:04.080 He does the bite.

00:19:04.660 Oh, he does that?

00:19:05.320 Yeah, he bites the air.

00:19:05.840 Oh, yeah.

00:19:06.380 I didn't know that.

00:19:07.540 Classic scene.

00:19:08.640 So, in high school.

00:19:09.600 So, yeah, I could see that, man.

00:19:11.100 I could see you.

00:19:11.740 Did you feel like you had kind of like that?

00:19:14.120 So, obviously, you knew that you could kind of relate to everybody then a little bit?

00:19:16.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:17.120 Because sometimes as you get a little, you start to learn just some of your skills.

00:19:20.560 You're like, oh, I kind of can fit in wherever.

00:19:22.960 Yeah.

00:19:23.320 I was pretty good at that.

00:19:24.900 Did you have a lady in high school or no?

00:19:26.880 Did you have a long time?

00:19:28.160 No.

00:19:30.220 No, I wasn't good looking.

00:19:31.340 I didn't really do great with the girls at all in high school.

00:19:35.120 What about like for dance?

00:19:36.580 Is there anything?

00:19:37.020 Did you ask a lady out ever?

00:19:38.480 Like, do you remember like the first date you ever went on or anything like that?

00:19:42.660 First date?

00:19:43.700 No, I don't.

00:19:44.760 I mean, I remember obviously going to like proms.

00:19:46.980 I know who I went to proms with and shit like that.

00:19:49.400 But no, I didn't really.

00:19:51.500 I had very little, if any, success in high school.

00:19:55.820 Yeah.

00:19:56.560 Yeah.

00:19:57.220 I was a blue eye.

00:19:58.860 You're a handsome guy.

00:19:59.860 Yeah, I don't know.

00:20:00.440 No.

00:20:00.820 Well, first of all, I went through it.

00:20:03.200 Like, there's a whole fat Dave stage.

00:20:05.360 That wasn't in high school.

00:20:06.700 But I mean, I'm getting back to it because I'm getting old.

00:20:09.620 But yeah, no, it's the truth.

00:20:11.080 I tell you.

00:20:11.820 You always hear like, you know, good looking people be like, no, I didn't do anything.

00:20:16.080 Like, I was ugly in like high school.

00:20:17.700 No, I was.

00:20:18.800 Like, I'm not.

00:20:20.400 Like, I don't believe the good people.

00:20:22.280 Like, Jon Hamm.

00:20:22.980 Like, oh, I have it rough.

00:20:24.640 My dick's too big.

00:20:25.560 You know?

00:20:25.800 Like, no, I really didn't do well in high school.

00:20:28.300 Yeah.

00:20:28.580 Yeah, I have to wear like an 80 gauge underpants just to hold them up.

00:20:32.600 Yeah.

00:20:32.780 Like, that kind of shit.

00:20:33.760 Yeah.

00:20:33.920 I hate that.

00:20:36.440 Yeah.

00:20:36.800 Do you remember like, even just like, what about your first kiss in high school?

00:20:40.520 What had to have happened, huh?

00:20:42.080 Yeah.

00:20:42.600 I'm trying to think.

00:20:43.520 Who did I kiss first?

00:20:45.720 I don't even know if I remember.

00:20:47.160 It couldn't have been anything.

00:20:47.740 What do you mean?

00:20:48.460 Dude, you were a document tour of.

00:20:50.760 No, I don't know.

00:20:51.420 It couldn't have been that memorable.

00:20:55.160 I'm honestly trying to think.

00:20:56.400 I don't know if that's like sad or what.

00:20:58.580 But I honestly can't remember.

00:21:01.020 Wow.

00:21:01.600 Yeah.

00:21:02.600 Some people, I remember, locked us in this room and they had this girl and she had like

00:21:06.800 a chipped tooth.

00:21:07.660 She had that kind of, that Lloyd Christmas on her, you know?

00:21:10.820 Yeah.

00:21:10.920 Or at least the Christmas.

00:21:11.540 That's going to be your first guess?

00:21:13.120 It was.

00:21:13.900 Like, were you playing, like, spinning the ball?

00:21:15.360 You locked in a room or you just locked in the room?

00:21:16.800 No, some just angry, like kind of pervy older kids are like, you better get in there

00:21:20.260 and fucking kiss.

00:21:21.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:21.860 Yeah.

00:21:21.980 Or we're going to jerk off out here.

00:21:23.320 And we're like, Jesus Christ.

00:21:24.740 All right.

00:21:25.200 I took a turn.

00:21:26.020 And so, but she had that Lloyd Christmas, or at least she had the, she had like that

00:21:29.580 Lloyd Christmas Eve.

00:21:30.580 It was like a less of a chip, but she had that thing.

00:21:33.760 And I remember, God, she was also, she was like the first girl I ever remember really

00:21:37.900 like seeing with my eyes.

00:21:39.280 And she was, her name was Chrissy and she was beautiful.

00:21:42.300 I thought.

00:21:43.080 And despite the teeth.

00:21:44.460 Yeah.

00:21:44.740 And so we had to sit next to each other and just kiss.

00:21:46.760 Um, what about the first time you had sex?

00:21:50.360 Do you remember it?

00:21:51.360 That I do.

00:21:51.980 Yeah.

00:21:52.400 Now we're talking.

00:21:53.620 That's a little different than like a kiss.

00:21:55.440 Yeah.

00:21:55.840 Yeah.

00:21:56.040 And it wasn't great.

00:21:56.960 It's still probably not fucking great, you know?

00:21:59.120 Oh yeah, dude.

00:22:00.740 Yeah.

00:22:01.840 Yeah.

00:22:02.540 When did it happen?

00:22:04.020 College.

00:22:04.640 Freshman.

00:22:06.940 Yeah.

00:22:07.500 What a big day you're getting out there, dude.

00:22:10.320 Upgrading from his girlfriend.

00:22:12.360 Yeah.

00:22:12.760 Okay.

00:22:13.000 Was it at a party or was it like kind of a.

00:22:15.140 Uh, no, it, it was actually at, so it, it was at my house.

00:22:21.900 It was actually summer going into college.

00:22:24.440 Okay.

00:22:24.960 Yeah.

00:22:25.440 Oh yeah, dude.

00:22:27.500 I, I love, like, I love thinking about like those kind of like just like times when we're

00:22:32.360 young and stuff like, yeah, there was nothing like that time getting ready for college.

00:22:36.700 And then I almost feel like that was a time you feel like you had to like, you had to get

00:22:41.480 sex active if you were going into college.

00:22:43.240 If you were going into college and you don't really know what you expect.

00:22:45.280 Yeah.

00:22:45.720 No, I mean.

00:22:46.960 And was it like a romantic thing?

00:22:48.320 Did y'all go to like.

00:22:48.900 Yeah, no, it was romantic.

00:22:49.940 It was definitely romantic.

00:22:51.020 She was my girlfriend.

00:22:51.720 So it was a romantic.

00:22:52.840 That's cool.

00:22:54.920 That's cool, man.

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00:25:45.020 Yeah, dude, I ended up, the first time I ever hooked up was actually behind a bowling alley in our town.

00:25:49.820 Yeah, mine was, sounds more romantic than that.

00:25:52.760 Yeah.

00:25:54.300 Potentially.

00:25:55.300 Yeah.

00:25:55.960 Oh, it was.

00:25:56.760 Mine, people were throwing rocks at us, dude, and it was like, yeah, it was like trying to fuck on the Gaza Strip or something.

00:26:02.760 I mean, people were fucking, there was like, it was hard.

00:26:04.840 So were people like watching if they're throwing rocks at you?

00:26:07.280 I wouldn't say they were watching, but they were checking in a lot.

00:26:09.520 Yeah.

00:26:10.200 You know?

00:26:10.680 No, mine was not like that.

00:26:11.960 Yeah.

00:26:12.320 Mine was probably pretty traditional.

00:26:13.960 Yeah.

00:26:15.920 Yeah, dude, I remember one time I got so nervous.

00:26:18.340 Some girl and I tried to have sex and I just couldn't, I just like, I remember just, I ended up ejaculating and, and then she left and she was embarrassed.

00:26:29.460 She climbed out of my window in my room too, I remember.

00:26:32.040 She was afraid to even like leave through the living room, I think.

00:26:35.100 It was fucking embarrassing.

00:26:36.900 Because why?

00:26:38.800 I think she.

00:26:39.480 Why'd she go through the window?

00:26:40.280 I think she was maybe just, I don't know.

00:26:45.560 I think it was just the whole thing was a lot for everybody.

00:26:48.180 I think everybody was kind of, didn't know their way around the world right after it.

00:26:51.820 It was just, it was like, we planned on it, we were excited.

00:26:54.800 Yeah.

00:26:54.920 And then I just, and so then you're sitting there with all, and you literally have your shame is right there like in a liquid.

00:27:00.100 Yeah.

00:27:00.420 You know, it's like, Hey, here's the, you know, you're talking, if you, if you bust, you're not fast.

00:27:04.300 Oh yeah.

00:27:04.700 I mean, I ejaculated immediately into my hand.

00:27:07.060 We're guys.

00:27:08.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.460 And it was like, that's scientifically means you're like a good, right?

00:27:12.920 The faster, the better.

00:27:13.880 That's, that's how we're programmed.

00:27:15.460 That's true.

00:27:15.820 If we were like in the jungle days or something, we would be.

00:27:18.400 Do it, move on, on to the next.

00:27:20.000 That's how it goes.

00:27:21.520 That's efficiency.

00:27:22.160 I'd be Elon bust.

00:27:23.760 Yeah.

00:27:24.420 I'd be fucking.

00:27:25.520 It's true.

00:27:26.260 Yeah.

00:27:26.440 Um, but yeah, I think at that point, everybody was so just confused.

00:27:30.160 People weren't even using the doorway anymore.

00:27:31.940 Like it was just that kind of thing, you know?

00:27:34.640 Um, actually, if you pull up, look up a bowling alley, bowling in St. Tammany parish.

00:27:44.540 This place looks like it's the fucking bowling capital of the world.

00:27:48.180 A lot of bowling alleys in a very short area.

00:27:50.680 Yeah.

00:27:50.880 If you look on that one, Tiffany Lane's at 3.4 stars.

00:27:53.760 Just click on that one.

00:27:56.720 If you, oh man, there's a review somewhere and somebody wrote.

00:28:01.840 So you can go to the first review on there.

00:28:03.700 Oh, it's closed down.

00:28:05.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.720 Somebody sent me the other day.

00:28:07.080 It says like, sometimes there's like, oh, there you go.

00:28:12.700 Oh, this was like the top question on there.

00:28:15.540 I'm here because of, oh, the Ovan became a man behind this building.

00:28:20.740 It was just the craziest thing.

00:28:22.000 One of my friends said, hey, I was looking for a place to bowl locally.

00:28:24.520 And this came up.

00:28:25.880 And the top thing says that the Ovan became a man.

00:28:27.860 So it's like a known fact.

00:28:29.120 This is where you lost your Virginia.

00:28:30.620 Picking up splits, homie, in there, cuz.

00:28:32.760 Love it.

00:28:33.720 Um, interesting, man.

00:28:35.580 Yeah.

00:28:35.720 I was just kind of wondering like what maybe you were like when you were younger, you know?

00:28:38.980 Yeah, it's, like I said, traditional.

00:28:41.900 I don't, very, very, uh, forgettable.

00:28:45.780 Probably a lot of, a lot of, a lot of people like me.

00:28:47.900 Normal, normal grown, played sports, ran with like the, the popular crowd in school, but just one of the guys.

00:28:54.820 Yeah.

00:28:55.400 You love sports now.

00:28:56.680 It seems to be like something you really love.

00:28:58.200 Do you really, really love it?

00:28:59.300 Do you love just the gambling?

00:29:00.720 Do you love sports?

00:29:02.380 Yeah.

00:29:02.680 So I always love sports.

00:29:03.760 I love gambling.

00:29:04.460 Right.

00:29:04.660 And obviously it's what we do now.

00:29:06.120 So that worked out.

00:29:06.940 Like before I started Barstool, I was trying, I wanted to get into that industry.

00:29:10.440 Right.

00:29:10.600 Yeah.

00:29:10.940 I flew out to Vegas, tried to do all this stuff.

00:29:12.800 So it's worked out perfectly for me.

00:29:15.200 I'm probably like one of the few guys who's made money through gambling.

00:29:17.880 Most people get wiped out.

00:29:19.500 Um, so yeah, no, I'm a big sports fan and obviously it's been a core part of what we do.

00:29:24.460 So it makes me like, I'm not, uh, maybe I'm not getting arrested and going to jail.

00:29:30.300 If we're not doing Barstool, I'm not like that crazy.

00:29:32.760 If I was just sitting around as a normal fan.

00:29:35.140 Okay.

00:29:35.580 Um, but I love sports.

00:29:37.060 Yeah.

00:29:37.260 Boston sports guy through and through.

00:29:38.860 Yeah.

00:29:39.060 Um, do you think that they should have legal gambling like everywhere?

00:29:43.480 Cause I know you guys work with your gambling site is.

00:29:46.180 Barstool sports.

00:29:46.940 So it's Barstool sports book.

00:29:48.140 Okay.

00:29:48.440 Barstool sports book.

00:29:49.160 Yeah.

00:29:49.300 And they even have bars.

00:29:50.160 Like I was in Baton Rouge and they have like a Barstool sports book bar.

00:29:53.460 In the casino.

00:29:54.320 Yeah.

00:29:54.720 Yeah.

00:29:54.960 Because so we were bought by a company called Penn and they have a LaBerge.

00:29:59.180 We also have like standalone.

00:30:00.600 So we're actually getting one here in Nashville.

00:30:02.240 Like where they'll be a Barstool sports bar.

00:30:04.720 It's where like the old, uh, Joe's crab shack used to be.

00:30:07.420 So it's a good spot.

00:30:08.480 Um, so I think it will eventually go most States, but it, it, it, so gambling became

00:30:16.260 legal to bet on sports outside of Vegas, maybe two years ago, two and a half, something like

00:30:20.740 that.

00:30:20.960 They repealed some federal law and now it's up to the States.

00:30:23.760 So they just decide state by state.

00:30:25.380 So I think we're live in like maybe 11 or 12 States.

00:30:28.560 And do you lobby for that somehow?

00:30:30.540 Or are you just, that's just let the world do that.

00:30:33.060 Our parent company lobbies for it and all the different companies that are involved in

00:30:38.460 lobby for it.

00:30:39.280 And then there's people lobby against it.

00:30:40.920 So I have nothing to do with it, but yeah, there's a lot of politicking going around with

00:30:44.420 that.

00:30:45.320 Do you get more joy out of making like a big wager on one thing or hitting like a crazy

00:30:49.740 parlay?

00:30:50.440 You know, I don't do as much as parlay.

00:30:52.400 So like bet on one thing, winning it.

00:30:54.600 I mean, I, I've bet my whole life.

00:30:56.060 So it's just, but yeah, no, it's, I love it.

00:30:59.660 I love gambling.

00:31:00.700 Yeah.

00:31:01.080 You like to gamble.

00:31:01.840 Like, do you feel like that that's just like a thing you'd like to do just with sports

00:31:04.840 or even like kind of with everything, like you kind of like to go kind of like the alternate

00:31:09.040 route a little bit.

00:31:10.160 Yeah.

00:31:10.480 It's, I definitely, even barstool, like I think being an entrepreneur kind of is like

00:31:15.820 gambling different, different respect, but I saw our barstool with nothing really.

00:31:19.820 And everything we made, we put back into it for the most part work, but you know, we did

00:31:24.820 concert.

00:31:25.220 I thought we were going out of business at one point because I put all our money into

00:31:28.080 like a concert tour and it kind of, who was it like third eye blind or something?

00:31:31.860 No, believe it or not.

00:31:32.900 So we did this thing.

00:31:34.620 It, it, we had never left downtown Boston ever.

00:31:37.220 And, and I was like, all right, we got to see if we're big outside of Boston.

00:31:41.360 And we had liquor sponsors at the time and they were like, well, you know, we can't sponsor

00:31:46.360 you if you're going to colleges.

00:31:47.980 And we're like, well, what if we make it a music tour?

00:31:50.080 Could you?

00:31:50.740 They said, yeah.

00:31:51.360 So we had this kid, Sam Adams.

00:31:52.920 Um, it kind of blew up and he's got some big songs.

00:31:55.920 We did it.

00:31:56.520 We did six, six stops and it went really well.

00:32:00.320 Um, bigger than we ever thought.

00:32:02.300 And I, I looked at it.

00:32:04.480 So we originally thought we're going like frats and you, we go to UMass and the actual school

00:32:09.300 calls are like, Hey, we're getting all these requests for tickets.

00:32:11.600 What is this?

00:32:12.160 So we went from the frat to the actual like Mullen center, which is the gymnasium sold out in

00:32:18.040 a second.

00:32:18.500 My brain's going on the business side.

00:32:20.500 It's like, Hey, if I can recreate this with like big talent, I may be onto something.

00:32:26.020 So we had a music tour.

00:32:28.000 It was headlined, uh, by Mike Posner.

00:32:30.240 Do you remember like cooler than me at the time?

00:32:32.380 I saw Mike two weeks ago.

00:32:33.580 Yeah.

00:32:33.900 So that song just came out.

00:32:35.400 He was the headliner.

00:32:36.520 It was, uh, him while a, I had Mac Miller for 1500 bucks.

00:32:41.820 That's how much we were paying him to play.

00:32:43.620 So he was the third guy coming up on it.

00:32:46.300 Uh, and nobody fucking, but well, people bought tickets, same amount as the first time we went

00:32:51.840 around.

00:32:52.100 It turned out our crowd, they weren't coming necessarily for who we're booking.

00:32:56.580 They're coming because Barstool was on it.

00:32:58.680 Oh wow.

00:32:59.140 We got fucking wiped out.

00:33:00.360 I actually hated Posner.

00:33:01.740 He didn't promote the shit.

00:33:02.780 He didn't promote it at all.

00:33:03.780 Not his fault.

00:33:04.620 His agent's fault.

00:33:05.680 Um, so that was a disaster.

00:33:07.540 And then we moved from that because it was kind of like, all right, if people are coming

00:33:12.420 for Barstool, not the talent, does it really matter?

00:33:16.360 And we went into EDM.

00:33:17.980 So you lost, you lost your butt on that?

00:33:20.900 Smoked.

00:33:21.520 Because you had to pay the act so much?

00:33:23.480 Pay the act.

00:33:24.060 And I rented the buildings.

00:33:25.280 So we were going, I was paying like, yeah, the big on that building, like a hundred grand

00:33:29.640 or something a night.

00:33:30.420 And we weren't doing it.

00:33:31.660 I thought I was going to have to pay the full thing.

00:33:33.360 We had to cancel a lot of the shows.

00:33:36.160 So, um, that was a disaster.

00:33:38.380 And then we, we came up with something called the blackout tour, which essentially was a

00:33:42.880 DJ playing EDM music.

00:33:45.040 This is at the infancy of EDM and it exploded.

00:33:49.680 Like to the point we had, I bought all our own production.

00:33:52.880 You could go to an EDM show.

00:33:54.180 It looked like ours.

00:33:55.220 We had a full crew doing it.

00:33:57.020 I thought.

00:33:58.080 And were you into it?

00:33:58.900 Were you like doing the pills and everything?

00:34:00.260 Were you like partying?

00:34:00.980 No, we had, I, I would, we, we did three.

00:34:03.360 Three shows a week throughout the country.

00:34:05.040 Like we had a whole crew driving around, setting up the lights, renting venues.

00:34:09.800 Um, I thought, I thought I was going to become so rich that I'd be like Bezos and retire.

00:34:15.200 We were clearing like 250 grand a show.

00:34:17.520 It was nuts.

00:34:18.460 And we weren't paying for talent.

00:34:19.980 So we're charging 50 bucks a ticket selling out literally.

00:34:23.800 And it was just like an EDM party show.

00:34:25.480 Yes.

00:34:25.880 So this crew, so you guys were just in Boston and this crew is now traveling, doing shows

00:34:29.860 for you.

00:34:30.280 Correct.

00:34:30.620 Like, have you ever heard of, there's a festival like Bamboozle?

00:34:33.660 It's a big festival in New Jersey.

00:34:35.680 So the Bonnaroo Bamboozle is like one of those type things.

00:34:39.740 Yeah.

00:34:40.000 And we were on a call with Live Nation.

00:34:41.840 Uh, I'll never forget this call.

00:34:43.120 Like, we want you to close the last music they had was Bon Jovi.

00:34:47.780 They're like, we want you to come on after Bon Jovi and close it.

00:34:50.900 Like, we'll pay you 250 grand just to show up.

00:34:53.400 And before we could say anything, they're like, we know it's not a lot of money.

00:34:56.700 It's cheap.

00:34:57.460 Um, but you'll introduce your music to so many new people.

00:35:01.020 And I was like, wait, wait, we don't have music.

00:35:03.420 What are you talking about?

00:35:04.100 There's no one to, like, what do you mean you have no music?

00:35:06.160 The only thing they saw was our ticket sales in their system.

00:35:09.740 Whenever we put tickets, they were gone in 10 seconds.

00:35:11.960 So we, like, did that, turned it into a foam thing.

00:35:14.580 But that was because of the barstool name again.

00:35:16.540 Correct.

00:35:17.020 So you're still like, we're just selling EDM.

00:35:19.080 Yeah, dude, because where I'm from, if somebody showed up with damn two laser lights and a

00:35:22.500 fucking flood beam, dude, people would pay $50 and get out there.

00:35:25.740 They went nuts for it.

00:35:27.040 People would fuck in the woods outside of it.

00:35:29.260 Like, we had Avicii, like, playing our thing for, like, no money.

00:35:33.100 It was before the DJ thing took off.

00:35:35.260 Okay, so you did actually have talent coming to the...

00:35:37.940 Yeah, we rotate, but we wouldn't pay a lot.

00:35:40.100 Like, we paid maybe $2,000 for Avicii.

00:35:42.940 Like, it just, they, it was before the DJ boom.

00:35:46.280 Right.

00:35:46.560 Then the DJ boom started happening, and a couple things happened.

00:35:50.380 We had our name, and we're always sort of controversial, but if somebody OD'd at EDM

00:35:55.840 Vegas, we would be mentioned.

00:35:57.880 It'd be like, Barstool Blackout tour part of this, and people would be calling me.

00:36:02.040 Insurance went through the roof, and news crews were following, like, our production around,

00:36:07.640 just looking for controversy.

00:36:09.100 So the whole thing, as quick as it came, it disappeared.

00:36:13.020 So...

00:36:13.380 Because of insurance, really?

00:36:14.520 Insurance, EDM.

00:36:16.160 It went from there'd be one EDM show at a college a month to there were three a week, and we were

00:36:22.560 playing Avicii's music, and Avicii was going to be there tomorrow.

00:36:25.360 So a whole host of factors, and I was investing.

00:36:28.720 This is the gambling part.

00:36:29.920 Every cent I made, I'm like, let's get the next biggest laser.

00:36:32.840 Let's get this.

00:36:33.500 Let's get that.

00:36:34.220 So we put it all back in.

00:36:35.900 At the end of the day, we were probably net even.

00:36:38.060 Like, we didn't make money.

00:36:39.160 We didn't lose money.

00:36:40.780 When it comes to business, was that a tough thing to realize?

00:36:44.820 Like, even just as my own business and world has grown, like, it's tough sometimes to realize,

00:36:50.380 especially if you don't come from a lot, to reinvest in stuff.

00:36:53.680 Is that always...

00:36:54.220 I mean, obviously, in that instance, it kind of evened out.

00:36:57.880 Yep.

00:36:58.340 But do you...

00:36:59.160 Has that, like, been a tough thing for you to realize, or is that, like, what...

00:37:03.500 No.

00:37:04.080 For me, that's been, like, that's just something I think that's in my, like, blood.

00:37:09.800 That goes back to the gambling.

00:37:12.000 Like, I've made money.

00:37:13.280 I don't think I need money.

00:37:14.600 Like, I didn't have any for a long time.

00:37:16.080 Not that I was, like, living, like, I could eat.

00:37:18.480 But, no, I just have a risk-taker personality.

00:37:22.140 So, I never...

00:37:23.720 I'm always, like, pushing things into the middle.

00:37:26.200 Now, I'm at a different stage in my life.

00:37:28.760 Right.

00:37:29.060 So, would I risk it all now?

00:37:30.260 I've been doing this for 20 years.

00:37:31.860 Be like, if I thought there was a huge opportunity, I'm going to put everything back.

00:37:34.580 Probably not.

00:37:35.420 But at that point, we were still pushing.

00:37:38.040 Yeah.

00:37:38.720 Yeah.

00:37:39.580 That's so cool, man.

00:37:40.680 Because you kind of became, like, this guy who's, like, I'll fucking put it on the table right now.

00:37:44.780 You know?

00:37:45.240 Even throughout, like, the pandemic and stuff.

00:37:47.220 Like, the way you were, like, kind of, you know, you were championing, like, keeping small businesses open.

00:37:53.300 And what are we doing here?

00:37:55.720 Not afraid to interview Trump or to talk about, you know, conservative, like, views or even look at them.

00:38:02.120 You know?

00:38:02.640 When a lot of the world was, like, mainstream media was, like, kind of shunning them.

00:38:06.620 Do you get...

00:38:07.720 Is that kind of a little bit of the high?

00:38:09.200 Because I'm just wondering, like...

00:38:10.820 Because gambling is kind of a high, but there's a little bit of high in fucking gambling with yourself as well.

00:38:15.280 Yeah.

00:38:15.540 That's always...

00:38:16.540 You know, we never look for fights with that stuff.

00:38:18.800 I'm pretty much a free speaker.

00:38:20.960 I have had to tone it down, which is...

00:38:24.000 I got a lot of haters out there, and I always say that probably the number one benefit they have that they don't realize is that Penn, the gambling company, bought us.

00:38:32.420 Because we are regulated.

00:38:33.420 So, it's the first time since I've been doing Barstool, people can sort of get at me through a side door.

00:38:41.060 Like, I don't care what you fucking say about me.

00:38:42.700 I really don't.

00:38:43.420 And I have thick skin.

00:38:44.360 And if you're going to come at me, I'll come at you.

00:38:46.580 Like, I've done things that not...

00:38:47.980 Like, I've staked out fucking a New York Times reporter, like, who was, I know, digging through my fucking past and life and trying to, like, really write a nasty hit piece about me.

00:38:58.980 It's like, if you want to fucking talk to me, let's fucking talk.

00:39:01.920 And I wait...

00:39:02.440 I did, like, 48 hours.

00:39:04.840 Like, I literally parked my car with my camera guy outside the house for, like, six hours and just waited for them to come out, ran out, and, like, confronted them.

00:39:13.440 I like doing that.

00:39:14.720 I like...

00:39:16.440 I just...

00:39:17.180 It's like I'm a confrontational person by nature.

00:39:20.280 So, that part of me has always been there.

00:39:23.380 I have had to tone it down a little bit because I don't...

00:39:27.900 Barstool's so much bigger than just me now.

00:39:29.900 And what I do does affect other people.

00:39:33.400 And I see it, like, I go on Fox News.

00:39:35.300 I'll go on Tucker Carlson.

00:39:36.400 And he knows I'm not overly, like, political.

00:39:38.660 But every time I go on there, that affects how people view the whole company.

00:39:43.120 And some people may have different views, whatever.

00:39:45.300 So, that I do sort of pay attention to.

00:39:48.700 It still doesn't affect necessarily what I do.

00:39:50.720 Like, people are mad within our company that I interviewed Trump.

00:39:53.580 Right.

00:39:54.040 But, you know, you got to make the decisions you think are right at the time.

00:39:57.840 Yeah.

00:39:58.820 Dude, it was a fun...

00:39:59.520 That interview was so funny, man.

00:40:00.660 When he was like...

00:40:01.920 You're like, you ever just rattle off a tweet and then just kind of hit?

00:40:04.400 I still think I'm the only guy who's ever gotten him to say, like, yeah, I regret something.

00:40:08.600 He's like, yeah, I do regret it.

00:40:10.060 I don't know that he's ever been like, I regret something in his life, except for that.

00:40:14.200 Yeah.

00:40:14.820 That was so good.

00:40:16.020 When he's like, yeah, you know, you just write it and go to sleep.

00:40:18.540 And then you wake up, you're like, what the fuck did I write?

00:40:20.640 He's like, yeah, I've done that.

00:40:22.340 I've done that.

00:40:22.920 He was, listen, people have such strong opinions about him.

00:40:27.320 I think right off the bat, he kind of realized I wasn't like out to be like, gotcha.

00:40:31.880 Right.

00:40:32.420 So he was good with me.

00:40:34.760 He was down to earth.

00:40:35.560 He was not, like, his guard wasn't up.

00:40:38.600 It was a surreal experience.

00:40:40.560 Oh, yeah.

00:40:41.080 I can only imagine.

00:40:41.880 I remember watching that interview and watching you sit there.

00:40:44.480 I'm like, God, dude, that'd be so...

00:40:46.180 Like, first of all, Dave's doing this, you know?

00:40:48.460 Like, he's actually going and like, you know, whereas everybody else was just like making fun of Trump or not even giving him a chance.

00:40:55.500 I mean, mainstream media did not.

00:40:57.320 I mean, he didn't help himself at certain points, but they didn't help him out of the gate or give him a chance.

00:41:02.100 But you were right there.

00:41:03.880 It's sort of...

00:41:05.220 There's definitely a similarity with him and how I...

00:41:08.560 It's like, if you come at him, he'll be a dick 10 times harder back to you.

00:41:14.480 When you're president, that can cause, like, issues.

00:41:16.940 Like, I have so many things that people still bring up with me, and they'll bring up quotes or whatever.

00:41:22.060 And somebody who came after me, and I'm being, like, so sarcastic and an asshole back to them.

00:41:26.580 And then they take what it is.

00:41:28.320 So I see it, but you're right.

00:41:29.980 He's, you know, he was the president.

00:41:35.460 So, like, I'm not the president.

00:41:37.920 So I can do a lot of things.

00:41:39.020 I'm not trying to be presidential.

00:41:40.680 And I think some people are like, well, you should be.

00:41:42.460 And he's a totally different cat.

00:41:44.560 Oh, I remember when he was running, I thought right at the beginning, I was like, he's going to win.

00:41:48.900 I was like, he just sounds like he just...

00:41:52.100 It seems like it's not a part of a bigger plan, you know?

00:41:55.040 But then I wonder, once he got into office, is it just too convoluted in there?

00:41:59.900 Or was he just kind of overshooting his own mark?

00:42:03.460 Or, you know, that's what I kind of wonder, because in the beginning, he was kind of like, even though he wasn't really like this came from nothing kind of guy, he was kind of talking to a lot of people that I think felt underrepresented or, you know, people who want some tradition in the country, you know?

00:42:19.500 And it's like, he was dismissed by so many people.

00:42:23.120 And I think that almost made him more popular with the people he was resonating.

00:42:28.020 Like, any way you look at it, he won the election.

00:42:30.840 So there's a large, large, large portion of the country he was speaking to.

00:42:35.520 And people are so dismissive.

00:42:37.660 If you weren't on his side, if you like Trump, you're like a racist asshole idiot.

00:42:41.860 Yeah, that was crazy.

00:42:42.780 So you're saying like, more than half the country are those people.

00:42:45.580 Now, I'm sure there's definitely a subsection within his demo that do fit that description, but certainly not everybody.

00:42:53.460 And you just paint everybody with one brush.

00:42:55.560 It actually made him more popular doing that.

00:42:58.340 Oh, for sure.

00:42:58.900 You know, I've said before, he's intentionally divisive, which, you know, I want people to get along.

00:43:05.460 So that's where I kind of lose it.

00:43:07.660 Like, and it's not just him.

00:43:08.880 It's both sides.

00:43:09.540 It's like, you need somebody who at least honestly wants to bring people together.

00:43:15.040 And that, I don't know who that's going to fucking be.

00:43:17.300 That's a good point, huh?

00:43:18.500 Yeah, you do.

00:43:19.220 And it's not Biden because he's so dismissive of the people who do like Trump.

00:43:24.940 It's like, they're just, everything's now.

00:43:27.500 It is.

00:43:28.600 And so that sucks.

00:43:29.720 It is.

00:43:30.280 It takes away almost half the dating pool, I think, for a lot of people, too.

00:43:32.960 I think about that sometimes.

00:43:34.060 It does.

00:43:35.240 You know, like it used to be, you know, every, it used to be, it didn't matter so much if

00:43:42.160 someone, like you'd have husbands and wives that had different political, it was just kind

00:43:45.340 of whatever.

00:43:46.480 Yeah, no, it's toxic now.

00:43:47.880 It's gotten weird.

00:43:49.080 Would you ever run for like a governor or something?

00:43:51.220 Fuck no.

00:43:52.300 I ran for mayor of Boston.

00:43:53.920 Oh, you did?

00:43:54.620 Yeah.

00:43:54.820 I didn't know that.

00:43:55.460 I tried to.

00:43:56.180 They fucking blackballed me.

00:43:57.700 So, uh, this was the most Boston shit.

00:44:01.620 They did.

00:44:02.100 They did.

00:44:02.520 This is, I'm telling you, I was doing that black people get blackballed, all kinds of

00:44:05.720 stuff.

00:44:06.080 I was doing the blackout tour that I told you about.

00:44:08.520 Okay.

00:44:08.780 So we rented these venues.

00:44:10.100 We house of blues is a venue in Boston, like 3000 people.

00:44:13.620 We sold it out.

00:44:14.640 I think seven straight days in like 30 seconds we were doing it.

00:44:18.280 So there's a ton of schools in Boston.

00:44:19.900 So like, Hey, Monday, it's a beat you Barstow blackout Tuesday, BC, Wednesday, Northeastern.

00:44:25.500 So all the kids at each school would buy it, sold it out instantly.

00:44:29.220 The, the police were so fucking like bad.

00:44:33.400 They were breath.

00:44:34.100 Have you ever heard of kids getting breathalyzed in line going down the line?

00:44:37.940 If we sold 3000 tickets, like 20 kids gone into the show, everyone else too drunk, this,

00:44:42.740 that I was like, this is fucking bullshit.

00:44:44.820 So, um, I'm like, I'm going to run for mayor.

00:44:47.500 So they can't do this shit to me anymore.

00:44:49.860 Uh, and you had to basically get, what was it?

00:44:53.680 Like 12,000 signatures to get on the ballot.

00:44:56.960 Now there's two parts of the signatures.

00:44:58.820 You had to be able to read the signature and the person had to be a registered voter.

00:45:03.300 I hired a full blown agency that you have professional people get it.

00:45:08.400 Like get the signatures.

00:45:09.860 We had like 20,000.

00:45:11.240 They just ruled 10,000 of them didn't count.

00:45:14.180 There's no way to appeal.

00:45:15.600 There's no nothing.

00:45:16.240 So I didn't make it onto the ballot, but yeah, I, I was like trying to do it.

00:45:20.500 So that's wild.

00:45:22.100 But other than that, no, who needs that?

00:45:23.900 I don't, who would ever, I've used this quote, like the movie gladiator when Maximus, um, it's

00:45:30.780 the, the, the, the King or, uh, wants max Maximus to be the, the leader of Rome.

00:45:36.120 He's like, no, thanks dude.

00:45:37.460 Who wants that headache?

00:45:38.440 And he's like, that's exactly why you have to do it.

00:45:40.740 Who would, who in their right mind would want to be in politics?

00:45:45.400 Well, like you, the person you want in politics should be somebody who's not doing it for

00:45:50.080 ego, who truly cares about like the wellbeing of the people not doing it to money, get rich.

00:45:55.800 None of the politicians do that.

00:45:57.960 Because why would you?

00:45:58.900 Like, I never understood that with Trump.

00:46:00.480 Like you're this rich dude.

00:46:02.240 Nobody really hates you.

00:46:03.620 Like people actually kind of love you on the apprentice.

00:46:06.120 Like, you know, you have no ill will.

00:46:08.180 He's going to go down as one of the most hated dudes who ever lived.

00:46:10.720 Like why?

00:46:12.040 You just, I guess ego.

00:46:13.420 Like, yeah, maybe that's ego.

00:46:16.080 I mean, I could see it.

00:46:17.220 If somebody gets to say, you get to be president.

00:46:19.080 Yeah.

00:46:19.660 Everybody wants to be, you know, or a little better.

00:46:21.900 You, I mean, maybe for like an hour, you know, a couple hours.

00:46:25.100 I don't know if I would do a full term, you know, like I think I'd want to be in the office

00:46:30.600 and like walk down and see like the long curtains.

00:46:32.680 Well, that's ego.

00:46:34.100 Yeah, that's ego.

00:46:34.820 Yeah.

00:46:35.220 That's it.

00:46:35.760 Which is cool.

00:46:36.440 But the amount of hate and the amount, like I, I get so much hate and it's all political.

00:46:40.620 Like people who don't like me always, if you don't like Dave Portland, I can go to your

00:46:44.920 Twitter and within three, you have something political on your timeline.

00:46:48.060 Yeah.

00:46:48.340 And it's like, who needs that?

00:46:50.140 Now, I don't know how isolated like these guys are.

00:46:52.640 Like when I went and visited Trump, you know, everyone's so pro Trump.

00:46:56.620 It's like he, maybe he doesn't even, the hate doesn't get to him on a level.

00:47:00.100 I don't know.

00:47:00.680 But no, I won't never run.

00:47:02.400 Yeah.

00:47:03.460 But do you think 10 years from now, you're like, oh yeah, I'm not fucking around.

00:47:06.260 No fucking way.

00:47:07.220 Wow.

00:47:07.660 No.

00:47:08.280 I think we would, I would, I mean, I guess part of me would like to see you have, but

00:47:13.200 then also I, I sometimes feel like politics is just this, like, it's this, this shell

00:47:20.080 company for actual real leaders, which is a lot of it is in the tech world these days.

00:47:26.000 Yeah.

00:47:26.280 And even if you look at like, you mentioned the barstool fund, which we gave away 50 million

00:47:31.240 basically to like the government couldn't do that.

00:47:34.440 They, they move so fucking slow.

00:47:36.020 If you actually want to get stuff done, it's way easier to do it the way I did it, which

00:47:41.320 is we just set it up 24 hours later, the money's going in.

00:47:44.320 And the second the money comes in, the money's going out that they did.

00:47:47.780 The government basically did nothing for like small business.

00:47:51.140 They're still talking about now and so much fraud with the PPP and shit like that.

00:47:55.780 So I don't know if it, it's hard.

00:47:59.160 Yeah.

00:47:59.360 And if you really want to get stuff done, you can get stuff done, not within, you know,

00:48:04.480 the government.

00:48:05.260 Well, it's almost becoming more like that.

00:48:07.020 I think in, in the, in America these days, it's like, there's all the, like, you know,

00:48:12.820 there's a few kind of, there's less companies, there's less mom and pop places.

00:48:16.320 There's just a few larger companies.

00:48:18.500 Oh, totally, man.

00:48:19.660 It's ridiculous.

00:48:20.420 I wish we had never done so much globalization.

00:48:22.080 I don't know a lot about that kind of stuff, but it's like, you know, the guy, the kid

00:48:27.260 down the street, it used to be their dad worked at the factory in the town and they were proud

00:48:31.320 of like, if their dad's factory made tables, they were proud of the table they had in their

00:48:35.060 house.

00:48:35.260 My dad made this, you know?

00:48:36.540 And there was like a sense of like, you were doing something now that your table comes

00:48:41.680 from China.

00:48:42.240 You have no idea.

00:48:43.380 The dad's doing pills.

00:48:44.500 The kid is in the other room, you know, cooking pills.

00:48:47.360 And then there's a guy in China making a table.

00:48:49.840 He gets shipped off.

00:48:50.860 He never sees, they're just like, I mean, it's kind of a very small example, but.

00:48:55.620 No, that was a small business.

00:48:57.180 We look for like generational and that was what was so sad about it.

00:49:00.180 Like nobody was helping these people.

00:49:01.700 It really was crazy.

00:49:03.280 It's like, Hey, you can't have customers, right?

00:49:06.100 But we're not going to give you the money.

00:49:07.460 So like, what do they think is going to happen?

00:49:09.360 It's like that, that to me was always the wildest part.

00:49:12.580 Yeah.

00:49:13.680 And again, I mean, you've built up your career over the time.

00:49:17.200 The barstool was the same.

00:49:18.340 I always looked at like, I worked my dick off to get where it was.

00:49:21.920 And then if something that's so far out of control and it just vanishes like that and

00:49:25.500 nobody's there to like, that is what the government in my mind, that's what it's fucking

00:49:28.720 for.

00:49:29.220 Like that is what we're paying taxes and all this shit.

00:49:31.680 That nobody was nowhere to be found.

00:49:33.840 Like if you want to keep shit closed, fine, but you better figure out how to take care

00:49:38.740 of the people who need things to be open or let people make their own decisions.

00:49:43.420 Yeah.

00:49:44.840 Yeah.

00:49:45.200 I agree.

00:49:45.660 I mean, I go to a lot of like recovery meetings and stuff and they closed all those recovery

00:49:49.020 rooms, right?

00:49:49.640 Right.

00:49:50.000 That's crazy, bro.

00:49:51.460 I had no joke.

00:49:52.640 I had five, maybe six friends that overdosed and died during the pandemic, right?

00:49:56.060 Died like, and it was, and people were like, well, it's not cause, but they need those

00:50:01.260 rooms.

00:50:01.540 It's like, they just fucking shut it down.

00:50:03.360 Like, what do you think people, I'd rather have COVID than, you know, overdose.

00:50:08.180 And to be honest, that was always my point.

00:50:09.840 It's like, you let, let people decide.

00:50:12.400 Right.

00:50:12.700 Like if you were, you know, like my parents or whoever, like scared of COVID, you do have

00:50:19.640 the option to stay inside.

00:50:20.640 Like nobody's coming into your house.

00:50:22.160 You can, you can live your life pretty safely.

00:50:25.160 I get it.

00:50:25.840 I mean, it was crazy.

00:50:26.900 Fucking, it's like a horror movie.

00:50:27.940 Who knows?

00:50:28.360 Yeah.

00:50:28.560 Shit.

00:50:28.800 Like people were at their, like at their funerals over zoom.

00:50:31.360 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:50:32.180 Like what the fuck is going on?

00:50:35.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.340 Crazy time.

00:50:35.740 And then I talked to my friends in Mexico and they're like, yeah, nobody's doing shit

00:50:38.420 down here, dude.

00:50:38.980 We're fucking partying.

00:50:39.900 We're shooting each other.

00:50:40.940 We're fucking having a blast.

00:50:42.140 You know, we're drinking.

00:50:43.380 Shooting each other.

00:50:44.260 I mean, not, you know, not shoot, you know, or probably grazing each other, but there's a lot

00:50:48.660 of violence down there.

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00:54:25.640 You've had some, like, dude, you've done a really good job of, like, hiring, like, really neat talent.

00:54:30.920 Like, guys like Caleb, Big Cat, who's your, you know, I don't know if you hired him or he was a partner.

00:54:36.020 No, no, we hired him.

00:54:36.900 Okay.

00:54:37.380 Yep.

00:54:38.560 You know, Glenny Balls.

00:54:41.500 Wow.

00:54:42.240 Was there.

00:54:42.940 Caleb, Big Cat, and Glenny Balls.

00:54:47.080 Getting put in that category is pretty fucking high level for Glenny Balls.

00:54:51.640 There may be some better guys.

00:54:53.060 I don't know.

00:54:53.680 And Big Freddy or whatever.

00:54:54.900 Who's the guy that's.

00:54:55.900 Frank the Tank.

00:54:56.540 Yeah, that guy, huh?

00:54:57.540 Yeah.

00:54:58.120 Listen, we've hired.

00:55:00.020 I bet the under on him, huh?

00:55:01.600 He's a big dude.

00:55:02.800 He'll surprise you, though.

00:55:03.880 That's like you don't think he can fit in an airplane seat, and he can't.

00:55:06.900 So he'll shock you.

00:55:08.660 We have Jenna Marbles.

00:55:09.880 Do you know her?

00:55:10.840 Yeah.

00:55:11.540 Yeah, she came from us.

00:55:12.980 Really?

00:55:13.520 Yep.

00:55:13.960 Hire her up.

00:55:14.460 Oh, dude, I was in love with her, dude.

00:55:16.780 Yeah, hired her out of a tanning salon.

00:55:18.760 Oh, I could see that.

00:55:20.180 McAfee, Pat McAfee was us.

00:55:22.040 Really?

00:55:22.540 Yeah.

00:55:22.980 We have a pretty good roster.

00:55:26.400 How do you pick talent?

00:55:28.500 Now, obviously, people end up usually speaking mostly of people's successes, right?

00:55:33.200 Do you feel like you've had a good eye for it, or do you feel like you've had just as many hits and misses?

00:55:37.080 What do you think?

00:55:37.540 No, we definitely have a good eye for it, and we have misses for sure.

00:55:40.080 I think, though, the biggest thing, we have an eye for it, and we don't control people at all.

00:55:47.400 So, you know, we hire somebody, and there's like, you do you, and hopefully they find the way.

00:55:54.560 Like, Caleb, use an example.

00:55:55.800 Like, we saw him.

00:55:57.020 He was running up and down the sidelines of North Carolina.

00:56:00.120 He was like.

00:56:00.720 Because they wouldn't, because he never started.

00:56:02.920 Yeah, and he wasn't even uniform.

00:56:04.620 His title was, like, I think the professor of morale or director of morale.

00:56:10.120 So, he had his blonde hair.

00:56:11.380 He'd wear, like, an ex-North Carolina professional football player who's now in the league, their number.

00:56:17.640 And we saw him on TV.

00:56:18.620 We were like, who the fuck is this kid?

00:56:19.980 And we had him on one of our shows.

00:56:21.540 Like, oh, he's got a weird brain.

00:56:23.920 That's what we say.

00:56:24.540 Like, we look for weird brains, unique guys.

00:56:27.280 And we hired him, and it's like, Caleb, do whatever you want.

00:56:30.000 And, you know, he kind of, he was always talented and funny, bounced around kind of trying to find his niche.

00:56:35.720 And then he, the Sunday conversation, which is now his kind of trademark thing and is great, that took a couple years for him to, like, fit that exact perfect role.

00:56:45.640 And we just let people sort of do that.

00:56:48.740 So, I think it's the combo.

00:56:50.380 We have a good eye for talent, but more so, we are so free in letting, and I don't know if that's just we're lazy or whatever, but we never tell people.

00:56:59.640 Right.

00:57:00.020 What to do.

00:57:00.680 It's like, you're hired.

00:57:01.860 We'll give you the resources.

00:57:03.600 Do whatever you want.

00:57:04.960 And we've had a lot of hits because of it.

00:57:07.160 Like, PMT, which is Big Cat.

00:57:09.140 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:57:10.280 Like, that was all his idea.

00:57:11.440 I mean, totally.

00:57:13.460 Like, I thought podcasts, when I first heard about podcasts, a guy, Kevin Clancy, who's been with us forever.

00:57:18.460 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:57:19.100 I'm like, that's a stupid idea.

00:57:20.300 Podcasts, you'll never make money doing that.

00:57:22.040 But they fucking did it.

00:57:23.840 Obviously, they were smarter than me.

00:57:25.500 Right.

00:57:25.580 Call her daddy.

00:57:26.220 That came from us.

00:57:27.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:27.440 Alex Cooper.

00:57:28.120 So, yeah, we've had a lot of big, big successful people that really were, I mean, McAfee played in the NFL, but no one knew him on the media side.

00:57:37.620 A lot of big people that million dollars worth of game is a huge, like, urban podcast with us right now.

00:57:43.560 So, yeah, we've had a lot of big successes.

00:57:46.580 Was there someone that you, can you turn the heat on?

00:57:50.280 Get a little chilly on.

00:57:51.260 I broke out my scarf game for today.

00:57:53.520 Look nice, man.

00:57:54.460 I want to become a scarf guy, yeah.

00:57:55.740 Really?

00:57:56.180 Yeah.

00:57:56.920 Ooh.

00:57:58.040 That's a move, I feel like.

00:57:59.560 Yeah, it is.

00:58:00.640 This is the first time kind of debuting, going with it.

00:58:03.360 Yeah.

00:58:03.720 It's good.

00:58:04.340 I was taken off in the car.

00:58:05.940 I'm like, you know what?

00:58:06.420 I'm going to try to maybe get into the scarf phase of my life.

00:58:09.580 There is something nice.

00:58:10.540 It feels like it, almost you feel a little bit regal, or you feel like at least they'll let you in a department store, I feel like.

00:58:16.060 Big time.

00:58:16.480 And I'm starting to get, like, fat.

00:58:18.000 It kind of, like, covers the rules.

00:58:19.400 I saw you say that on a video the other day.

00:58:21.220 You were saying how, like.

00:58:22.140 Yeah, I'm starting to put on weight.

00:58:23.440 It comes with the age.

00:58:24.800 So, it's like, I've been doing the pizza thing forever.

00:58:28.040 My shoulder's all fucked.

00:58:29.560 So, yeah, I think it's just, you know, life.

00:58:31.760 Yeah.

00:58:31.980 Was there a hire or a fire or something?

00:58:38.820 Because, oh, I wanted to say this.

00:58:39.900 Yeah, Caleb, whenever I got to know Caleb, one thing he raves about is that he loves working for you.

00:58:45.140 Yeah, he's been great.

00:58:46.920 I think.

00:58:47.280 I mean, he genuinely, like, you know what I'm saying?

00:58:49.120 Like, some people say my job, but he has, I mean, he absolutely loves it.

00:58:54.500 I think it's two things for him that probably he likes working for us, me, is the freedom, which I just said.

00:59:00.900 And I always do what I say.

00:59:03.300 So, I have the back of the talent as much as I can, always.

00:59:08.060 But, like, if I say something, it's Bond.

00:59:12.140 I actually think in his contract, he has something.

00:59:15.080 Like, when Penn bought us, he's like, if there's a disagreement between Penn and me or something, like, Dave gets to make the final decision.

00:59:24.340 He just trusts that it's good to work for somebody where you know you can trust, like, they have your best interest.

00:59:32.120 And I do.

00:59:32.820 And some people may not like what I say or do, but I'm pretty straightforward, and the track record is, like, there.

00:59:39.040 Like, 20 years, I've been pretty consistently straightforward, honest, truthful.

00:59:43.960 Yeah.

00:59:44.180 Is there a hire or a departure that you regret or that you, like, somebody that you let go or anything, or did you have any?

00:59:51.720 No, I mean, we hired Mike Rappaport.

00:59:54.620 This is a big fucking, I don't like that guy right now.

00:59:57.440 He doesn't like me.

00:59:58.640 He doesn't like me.

00:59:59.540 That was a debacle.

01:00:01.080 I literally, if I throw a punch, I've never been in a fight in my life, never thrown a punch in anger.

01:00:06.840 If I threw a punch right now with my left arm, it would dislocate.

01:00:09.360 That's how fucked up my shoulders are.

01:00:10.740 He got me so mad, I sent him a contract to fight him.

01:00:14.060 Like, that's how fucking, that ended terribly.

01:00:17.160 The McAfee thing with us didn't end great, but, like, I don't really have regrets.

01:00:23.200 He was always going to be, like, a huge star on his own.

01:00:25.660 He's so good at so many things.

01:00:27.480 So, no, not too much.

01:00:30.580 Yeah.

01:00:31.280 I mean, we've become, to a degree, and I always said a Saturday Night Live model, like, we bring unknown talent and try to make them stars.

01:00:40.360 And we'll keep them as long as we can keep them.

01:00:43.220 But, really, you know, if we can't, hopefully they go become big somewhere else.

01:00:48.080 And it adds more credibility for us.

01:00:49.780 Right.

01:00:50.080 You know, because then people are like, oh, this is a place where I can get a start and build my name and either stay with Barstool or not.

01:00:56.680 We've been pretty good at that.

01:00:57.720 Like, we got a girl now, Brianna Chicken Fry.

01:00:59.640 She's fucking exploding.

01:01:01.860 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Like, she's becoming big.

01:01:03.680 So, yeah.

01:01:04.360 Yeah, she's cute.

01:01:04.960 I saw her on your thing.

01:01:05.680 Is that Native American?

01:01:06.940 What is Chicken Fry?

01:01:08.400 That was just, she likes Chicken Fries.

01:01:11.500 Like, you know, like the, I think it was Burger King, right?

01:01:13.960 Chicken Fries?

01:01:14.640 Chicken Fries?

01:01:15.780 Yeah, so.

01:01:16.340 Oh, it's not a last name.

01:01:17.420 No, no.

01:01:17.840 That was her, when we hired her, she already had, like, Brianna Chicken Fries was her TikTok user handle.

01:01:23.180 Oh, okay.

01:01:23.680 Because I think she liked Chicken Fries.

01:01:25.360 Because she likes eating late at night.

01:01:27.240 What's that?

01:01:27.600 She likes eating late at night, probably.

01:01:29.360 Chicken Fry, yeah.

01:01:30.000 Yeah.

01:01:30.240 Oh, I was wondering.

01:01:32.260 Yeah, I thought maybe she was, like, Cherokee or, like.

01:01:33.980 Imagine that.

01:01:34.620 It'd be, like, your Native American name, Chicken Fry.

01:01:37.880 That'd be fucking fire.

01:01:39.400 Yeah.

01:01:40.500 Yeah, I almost knocked up this Native American girl one time.

01:01:43.860 So, I met this girl in a motel, right?

01:01:46.860 So.

01:01:48.100 How does that work?

01:01:49.680 Like, is there, like, do motels have, like, motel bars?

01:01:55.000 Or, like, you just saw her walking out of a room?

01:01:56.780 Oh, no, no.

01:01:57.440 This girl, we met on social media, right?

01:02:00.200 Got it.

01:02:00.660 And this was probably Instagram.

01:02:01.880 It might have even been.

01:02:02.500 Oh, it was an intentional meetup.

01:02:04.520 Yeah.

01:02:04.960 So, she drove, I think, like, 10 or 11 hours, too.

01:02:07.960 And she drove from, like.

01:02:09.020 It's a red flag.

01:02:10.300 Oh, yeah.

01:02:11.360 Yeah.

01:02:12.060 It was.

01:02:12.580 And she was a Native American.

01:02:14.740 And so, she drove in.

01:02:17.240 And she.

01:02:18.100 And we ended up making love or whatever.

01:02:21.080 I don't remember exactly what happened.

01:02:22.100 But then, on the drive home, I guess she got kind of bored.

01:02:25.200 And she starts saying, well, if I'm pregnant, I'm going to keep this child.

01:02:28.880 Yeah, that's tough.

01:02:29.100 And now, I'm like, Jesus Christ, dude.

01:02:31.180 Although, to her defense, you probably do have a lot of time to think on a 10-hour drive.

01:02:36.480 That's a good point.

01:02:38.140 That's actually.

01:02:38.660 A lot of things go through your mind.

01:02:40.120 Yeah.

01:02:40.360 I should have given her at least five hours to be hypothetically pregnant on that drive.

01:02:43.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:44.200 Like, a 10-hour drive, you're thinking a lot of shit.

01:02:47.920 Yeah.

01:02:48.740 Yeah, especially when you're just driving back to the res or whatever.

01:02:51.220 And you just get back there, and it's a bunch of free gasoline from the government.

01:02:54.280 And you're like, what the fuck am I going to do with this family, you know, if I have a family?

01:02:57.860 But anyway, she got intense.

01:02:59.560 And, God, that made me so nervous.

01:03:03.080 Did you.

01:03:04.460 Because you got into a relationship.

01:03:05.900 You are.

01:03:07.000 I was married.

01:03:08.000 I'm in a relationship now.

01:03:09.180 Okay.

01:03:09.600 In a relationship now.

01:03:10.260 And was it.

01:03:11.140 Did you.

01:03:12.140 Were you looking for a relationship?

01:03:13.160 Or did it just kind of happen?

01:03:14.180 Which one?

01:03:15.000 My current girlfriend?

01:03:16.140 Current girlfriend.

01:03:16.660 No.

01:03:17.220 No.

01:03:17.540 So, like, my ex-wife, basically, I met when I started Barstool right about the same time.

01:03:25.260 And I'm still, like, best friends.

01:03:26.580 She's the best.

01:03:27.740 And then I was single for a while.

01:03:29.180 Probably living a crazier lifestyle, I would say.

01:03:34.980 Like, it was a totally different time because Barstool was nothing.

01:03:39.640 And to it, obviously, like, being well-known, fame, money brings more women and opportunities

01:03:46.800 into your life.

01:03:47.740 Oh, I've seen you fucking on Twitter a little.

01:03:49.580 At some point, I had seen something, you know.

01:03:51.140 Oh, yeah.

01:03:51.520 I didn't watch all of it.

01:03:52.400 Yeah, there's some stuff out there that, you know.

01:03:55.500 And good for you, man.

01:03:56.960 You know.

01:03:57.360 Yeah.

01:03:57.720 I get embarrassed.

01:03:58.540 Like, if I'm happy.

01:03:59.100 I even walk out of the room backwards because I don't want women seeing my butt and stuff.

01:04:02.640 No, I was a big video guy.

01:04:05.000 Like, that probably.

01:04:06.780 And back in time, it's like, who the fuck would ever want to watch me fuck?

01:04:10.240 So, I don't know, five years single and then just met her.

01:04:16.540 Sylvana is her name.

01:04:17.360 It was pretty organic.

01:04:18.760 Yeah.

01:04:19.640 And is it kind of less stressful?

01:04:21.660 Because I start to find that, like, as you start, you don't want to just, like, hook up

01:04:26.620 with strangers.

01:04:27.320 It gets a little bit, like, scary, kind of like, you know.

01:04:30.400 It's like, I don't want a child, like, even a possible child somewhere.

01:04:37.160 Yeah.

01:04:37.520 No, I was pretty free and loose.

01:04:41.100 I would never, like, in hindsight, I was probably a fucking idiot because there's a

01:04:46.760 lot of post shit that I've dealt with that a lot of people know about me.

01:04:52.640 I mean, I, you know, hit pieces written about me, about my sexual activities, sex, things,

01:04:56.600 about it all, which I never would have guessed for, like, fucking me.

01:04:59.900 Like, if someone back in high school was like, wait till you fucking see what this

01:05:03.860 guy's going to turn out to be, like, I would have never fucking guessed it.

01:05:09.480 So, yeah, I was probably playing fast and loose is how I would describe it.

01:05:14.760 But whatever, it's been a wild ride, I'll say that.

01:05:18.280 Yeah.

01:05:18.620 It's been exciting, man.

01:05:19.920 I think it seems like it's really been exciting.

01:05:22.160 Do you feel like a pressure?

01:05:23.180 Like, I feel a pressure as I get older to try and stay, like, younger and stuff.

01:05:26.000 Does that feel hard for you?

01:05:26.980 No, no, I feel like it's been a fairly natural thing.

01:05:31.840 Like, so I probably crammed so much into that five years of being single.

01:05:37.900 Like, I never went to clubs, really, ever.

01:05:40.420 And then I started going out a lot.

01:05:42.220 And, you know, I went from the guy who's, like, with his buddies, if you're trying to

01:05:47.340 save up to go out once, like, how the fuck am I going to afford this table?

01:05:50.660 Only fucking losers would pay for that table.

01:05:53.380 All the girls are there.

01:05:54.500 But it's like, I can't fucking afford this to, you know, you're getting opportunity.

01:05:57.920 Like, I remember I was just saying on the way over, like, Super Bowl's coming up.

01:06:01.080 And I'm getting every invite in the book.

01:06:02.660 Like, hey, come to this party.

01:06:03.760 You have a table here, a table there.

01:06:05.380 And I sent it to this guy, Paul Gaz, who's been employee basically number one, worked at

01:06:10.640 my kitchen table.

01:06:11.620 We went to a Super Bowl party.

01:06:13.200 And we had to pay $25,000 for a table.

01:06:15.460 For us, that's like, do we have it?

01:06:17.300 Credit card?

01:06:17.900 Can we do it?

01:06:18.760 And they fucking put us in a satellite room.

01:06:20.660 We weren't even in the room where the fucking party was happening.

01:06:24.000 We were watching the party on a TV.

01:06:26.880 And I sent them the link.

01:06:28.540 I'm like, man, times have changed.

01:06:29.960 We're getting.

01:06:30.740 But so I did that phase.

01:06:32.560 I mean, I was doing drugs.

01:06:33.840 I was going out all the time.

01:06:35.460 It was just, like, a very different phase of my life.

01:06:38.860 Now, I really don't like being in clubs at all.

01:06:41.640 Like, Sylvana, my girlfriend, still loves it.

01:06:44.220 But I've toned it.

01:06:45.680 I've gotten her to be like, listen, I don't want to be there.

01:06:48.460 Like, it's not where I want to be.

01:06:49.360 I don't feel comfortable.

01:06:50.160 I actually do feel old in those situations.

01:06:52.880 Yeah.

01:06:53.060 The first time in my life, I look around like, damn, I'm a fucking old guy in here.

01:06:57.160 So that part of my life, I think, is pretty much in the rear view.

01:07:01.260 Like, Super Bowl, yeah, I'll go out.

01:07:02.700 But, I mean, I was going out, fuck, four or five days a week.

01:07:07.940 Damn.

01:07:08.420 Pretty heavy.

01:07:09.920 Pretty heavy.

01:07:10.880 And were you partying pretty hard?

01:07:12.120 Could you party pretty hard or not?

01:07:13.660 Yeah, I was.

01:07:14.300 I never used to, but I was.

01:07:17.640 Were y'all doing drugs too?

01:07:18.700 Cocaine?

01:07:19.520 I'm not a big coke guy.

01:07:20.640 People always think I'm a coke guy.

01:07:22.180 I'm pretty honest about.

01:07:24.460 I think it's the hair, probably.

01:07:26.960 Does it look like a hair?

01:07:28.540 Oh, the hair looks like I'll find a gram in it, son.

01:07:30.720 Yeah, like that.

01:07:31.660 Like a Wall Street guy?

01:07:32.700 Like a slick back guy?

01:07:34.760 I think, yeah, it looks like.

01:07:36.340 Like a wet hair.

01:07:36.840 And maybe now, especially since you live in Florida, maybe that adds to it.

01:07:39.960 Like you think, like, oh, this guy.

01:07:41.520 Yeah, no, I was doing a lot.

01:07:43.300 Adderall would be like, I do a lot just to even wake up work.

01:07:47.600 I think ecstasy is the best drug there is.

01:07:49.640 Like, you know, I never get, like, depressed on it.

01:07:52.560 But, no, I was never big on coke.

01:07:54.220 But, like, for me to be out, I don't know how people.

01:07:57.720 I mean, Miami doesn't fucking close.

01:07:59.960 Yeah, Miami's insane, man.

01:08:01.400 So you're there.

01:08:03.000 Even the trees, man.

01:08:04.200 You'll walk by two trees.

01:08:05.220 It'll be fucking at 4 a.m.

01:08:06.520 It literally, like, is.

01:08:07.840 Like, you walk out of 11, and there's a fucking line at 9 a.m.

01:08:12.020 It's just I don't even know what people do there.

01:08:14.020 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:08:14.560 It's like, well, how you work and what are you doing?

01:08:16.700 And people don't start going out.

01:08:17.960 It's like, hey, you want to go out at 11?

01:08:19.180 It's like, sure, you're going to be the only fucker in the club.

01:08:21.020 Like, nobody's out yet.

01:08:22.620 So it's a super late city.

01:08:25.760 And, yeah, I was definitely partying.

01:08:29.980 I was definitely partying.

01:08:31.200 Dude, a friend of mine got all coked up one night, fell off of his balcony, right,

01:08:36.180 landed on another balcony, right, and T.I., the rapper, came out and found him.

01:08:43.000 T.I. is a big, big Miami guy.

01:08:46.960 Yeah.

01:08:47.200 Yeah, there's all sorts of shit.

01:08:48.880 I remember I was like, who was it?

01:08:52.240 Who was the Miami guy?

01:08:53.980 I was at 11.

01:08:55.800 There's another rapper who was always in Miami.

01:08:59.560 Whatever.

01:09:00.040 Whoever this guy.

01:09:00.680 He's a big rapper.

01:09:01.980 And a camera guy came up.

01:09:04.280 I moved out of the way.

01:09:05.120 He's like, hey, this guy ruins the story not knowing him.

01:09:07.680 I'll probably think of it.

01:09:09.080 Put Miami rapper.

01:09:10.120 Look up Google Miami rapper.

01:09:11.420 Is he a thick guy?

01:09:12.480 No, he's a little guy.

01:09:13.420 Okay.

01:09:13.980 Oh, it might be, what's his name, who has that same beat over and over again.

01:09:22.120 But he's from Atlanta, that guy.

01:09:24.720 He wears the green gloves in that one video.

01:09:29.580 Ludicrous.

01:09:30.240 No.

01:09:31.140 No, no.

01:09:31.880 Pitbull.

01:09:32.500 Sean Kingston.

01:09:33.900 No, no.

01:09:34.620 He's a little skinny guy.

01:09:37.180 Oh, he's been around forever, but he's still super popular.

01:09:42.680 Nelly.

01:09:43.440 This is going to bother the fuck out of me.

01:09:45.740 Not Nelly.

01:09:47.700 Who played Guess That Rapper.

01:09:50.440 I almost, it was similar.

01:09:52.180 Bobby Shmurda, no.

01:09:53.320 No, I feel like it was, keep going down.

01:09:56.480 Hulk Hogan?

01:09:57.460 No, not a rapper.

01:09:59.460 Jason Derulo.

01:10:00.940 I did a pizza review with him, no.

01:10:03.100 He seems like a nice guy.

01:10:04.440 He was.

01:10:04.780 He ate pizza with no cheese, though, which is wild.

01:10:07.460 You know who told me the earth was flat?

01:10:09.140 Two black guys at a pizza parlor.

01:10:11.780 The earth was flat.

01:10:13.180 First time I ever heard it.

01:10:15.200 That's Kyrie.

01:10:16.880 Yeah, it might have been.

01:10:18.580 Who the fuck am I thinking of?

01:10:21.480 Cat Dahlia?

01:10:22.400 He lives in Miami.

01:10:23.900 He actually just, he, I wanted to say it was with a T, too, but I can't remember.

01:10:31.080 Trick Daddy.

01:10:31.960 No.

01:10:32.440 I like that song, though.

01:10:33.420 Take it to the house.

01:10:34.680 Take it to the house.

01:10:36.180 Take it to the house.

01:10:37.480 My, who?

01:10:39.980 Whatever.

01:10:41.780 The story's fucking ruined.

01:10:43.080 Yeah, it's all right.

01:10:43.800 Everything gets fucking ruined, dude.

01:10:45.360 It's ruined.

01:10:46.080 Forget the fucking story.

01:10:46.740 Dude, I did, I went to Paris Fashion Week last week, right?

01:10:50.700 And, which was crazy.

01:10:51.340 Oh, you were in Paris?

01:10:51.820 Yeah.

01:10:52.280 Which is crazy, right?

01:10:53.060 So, this guy, Colm Delane, he's like a fashion guy, right?

01:10:57.700 He makes fashion.

01:10:58.340 So, he had comedians come and be in his fashion show.

01:11:02.640 Andrew Schultz went, a couple of other guys, and it's, the fashion show finally was at like

01:11:11.660 11 p.m.

01:11:12.420 And, Kodak Black is sitting in there with a baby in the front row.

01:11:16.680 Kodak Black.

01:11:18.840 He, he, all time name drops.

01:11:25.040 I was credited in Kodak Black getting pardoned by Trump.

01:11:31.120 Were you really?

01:11:31.900 Yes.

01:11:33.080 He credited you?

01:11:33.980 When Trump mentioned, it was some convoluted, like, Kodak Black actually reached out to

01:11:40.320 me, like, during the Barstool Fund.

01:11:44.160 I think he donated, and then Trump, when he pardoned me, he's like, Kodak Black donated

01:11:48.540 to, like, Dave Portnay, the Barstool Fund, he's like a good guy.

01:11:51.080 It was a little blurb, but I was like, what the fuck world am I in?

01:11:54.640 Like, Kodak Black, Trump, crazy.

01:11:58.200 Yeah.

01:11:58.920 Everything's crazy now, though.

01:12:00.100 It is.

01:12:00.600 Does it excite you, or does it scare you?

01:12:02.300 Like, how everything, the lines are so blurred.

01:12:05.920 Everything feels so crazy.

01:12:07.640 The news, you can't trust the news anymore, so there's conspiracy theories.

01:12:10.300 People are always like, there's all these conspiracy theories.

01:12:12.120 But it's like, a lot of it is because you can't rely on the news.

01:12:14.560 You can't rely on anything.

01:12:14.700 So people are going to try and get whatever they think the news is.

01:12:18.220 Yeah.

01:12:18.560 No, I, the whole thing, yeah, that, which I agree, I don't trust the fucking news.

01:12:23.180 Like, everybody has an angle.

01:12:24.660 Yeah.

01:12:24.980 I've said that, but I don't even know where you go if you want, like, a non-spin take on

01:12:29.680 something.

01:12:30.040 Where the fuck do you go?

01:12:30.720 I don't know.

01:12:32.300 So yeah, that is just a way of life.

01:12:35.060 But I don't know if, I find it crazy.

01:12:37.480 Everyone's just got an agenda.

01:12:39.040 We are.

01:12:39.460 Everybody.

01:12:40.580 There's nobody who doesn't have an agenda.

01:12:42.280 I know.

01:12:42.580 It's getting weird, huh?

01:12:43.440 Yeah.

01:12:44.020 Yep.

01:12:44.480 Big time.

01:12:44.980 I just wonder, kind of, how does that end, you know?

01:12:47.440 Or do we evolve out of it, you know?

01:12:49.560 Like, everything's gotten so, like, me, you know?

01:12:54.320 I don't know.

01:12:55.540 It's an interesting, it definitely feels like an interesting time to be alive.

01:12:58.180 You got to go and do Joe Rogan experience.

01:13:00.200 That was your first time, right?

01:13:01.180 Yeah, that was my first time.

01:13:02.360 Were you pretty nervous?

01:13:03.520 Tell me about that.

01:13:04.280 Yeah.

01:13:04.540 I didn't know what to expect.

01:13:06.660 I really didn't because I was a huge podcast guy.

01:13:09.440 And people always, I always got like, hey, you should go on Rogan.

01:13:14.020 I'm not, like, ever somebody really necessarily.

01:13:16.440 I did ask to go on Rogan once.

01:13:17.920 And that was when all the fucking negative shit was happening.

01:13:20.220 I wanted to say my case.

01:13:21.160 But I didn't know what to expect.

01:13:23.060 His studio was sick.

01:13:24.380 It was easy.

01:13:25.500 Like, and I met the producer, Jamie, before.

01:13:27.620 He's like, I know all the barstool shit.

01:13:29.160 I have no idea what he's going to talk about.

01:13:30.740 He may talk about all of it.

01:13:31.780 None of it.

01:13:33.480 Smoked a cigar.

01:13:34.400 I'm not a cigar guy.

01:13:35.240 I got, like, fucking weirdly high from smoking a cigar.

01:13:37.240 Yeah, it's hard, isn't it?

01:13:37.960 Yeah, it's like, I am not a cigar guy.

01:13:39.760 And his studio is, like, trippy, right?

01:13:42.320 It's like, with the little, the lights.

01:13:44.980 And it went by quick.

01:13:46.300 My main thing, honestly, because I know he goes so long.

01:13:49.600 It's like, if I go two hours, that probably means he fucking didn't like me and, like, I'm out.

01:13:53.980 So once it ended, I'm like, how long was it?

01:13:56.360 But it was cool.

01:13:57.300 And he's so big, you know.

01:13:58.460 You don't even realize.

01:13:59.340 I mean, I know how big he is because we're sore in the business.

01:14:02.240 But even still, like, after we did it, so many people just walking down the street.

01:14:06.660 It's like, oh, listen to Rogan.

01:14:07.820 Show the phone.

01:14:08.680 I mean, his reach is just crazy.

01:14:09.880 He's probably the most influential, you know, guy in media there is.

01:14:13.640 I think so.

01:14:14.560 I think it's been like that for a while.

01:14:16.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.120 You know, I think, and especially, people didn't realize that until he got that big contract.

01:14:20.480 That almost kind of, I mean, it was amazing for him, and he deserves it.

01:14:24.500 But when they put out that article that he made, like, $100 million a year or something.

01:14:27.900 Yeah.

01:14:28.080 And I think it was twice that.

01:14:29.720 But that's when everybody, like, that's when people started attacking.

01:14:33.480 And that's when you saw all these hit pieces.

01:14:35.040 It's like, it's just, it's so dangerous, kind of like, I don't know.

01:14:41.520 The media is just so scary.

01:14:43.600 It's like, they can shape anything any way they want.

01:14:47.120 And I, he, he, he's definitely perceived as a threat because he, he's, he uses escape

01:14:55.560 velocity, whatever.

01:14:56.660 But you can't control.

01:14:59.260 Right.

01:14:59.420 If you can't control how somebody thinks and you really can't hurt them, that, that is

01:15:05.500 a threat.

01:15:06.120 I think the attacks come when, and why they came, because what's the point really of going

01:15:11.180 after him when he's a solo guy?

01:15:12.600 You don't give a fuck.

01:15:13.900 When you have Spotify, there's a thought I can get to him now.

01:15:18.320 Right.

01:15:18.580 Because spot, and now Spotify.

01:15:20.280 It's like a pin.

01:15:20.720 Yeah.

01:15:21.040 It's like Spotify backed him up, but I mean, he did have to delete episodes and maybe say

01:15:27.100 things that ordinarily, if it was by himself, maybe would have, maybe he wouldn't have.

01:15:30.720 But I think that is, that's the switch.

01:15:32.740 It's like, aha, he kind of has to answer to somebody now, whether he actually does or he

01:15:36.860 doesn't.

01:15:37.260 But somebody's signing his checks before and nobody is.

01:15:40.340 So what's the point of going at, what is that going to do?

01:15:42.580 Because you may just actually ignite more because he doesn't give a fuck.

01:15:46.960 His audience is his audience.

01:15:48.380 Yeah.

01:15:48.620 That would be, to me, the difference and why it happened when he did that.

01:15:52.260 Yeah.

01:15:52.440 Um, yeah, I remember when I first went in, dude, I was so nervous.

01:15:57.360 I got a tweet, a DM from him in the middle, like in just like 11 PM or something, but I

01:16:02.340 was going to bed early.

01:16:03.280 So it was like middle of the night, but, um, and it was like, Hey, do you want to call

01:16:07.020 my show?

01:16:07.500 And I remember being like, Oh my God, I was excited too, when I got it.

01:16:10.560 Yeah.

01:16:10.840 Cause if you, people always hit me up like, Hey, can you have me get on or sit?

01:16:14.020 And it's like, there's no real way to get on.

01:16:16.060 Like Joe, like we'll literally hit people up.

01:16:18.540 That's exactly how he does it.

01:16:20.300 It was mine.

01:16:21.200 So the New York times wrote basically a hit piece on me and they were working on it for

01:16:27.140 a year.

01:16:27.560 I knew about it.

01:16:28.500 They dug through my entire fucking past.

01:16:30.600 Like so trash.

01:16:31.540 That freaking brag is trash.

01:16:33.060 Every single person that I was friends with in my network, they're reaching.

01:16:38.420 I was having girls call me like that.

01:16:40.280 I didn't even know.

01:16:41.040 Or send me DMs being like, what is this about?

01:16:43.680 Um, a year long, they really found nothing.

01:16:46.380 It turned into just like, again, like I'm a scumbag gambling hippies.

01:16:49.360 The point of the story, the reporter wrote in the article, like we reached out to Dave

01:16:55.100 for comment.

01:16:55.820 He didn't reach back.

01:16:56.920 And I posted my exchanges with this woman and they went back, I think seven months where

01:17:03.240 I'm like, Hey, I know you're digging into my past.

01:17:05.680 I will sit down, meet with you.

01:17:07.100 We both get to record.

01:17:08.080 You can ask me anything.

01:17:09.220 I'll answer anything you want.

01:17:10.760 I'm right here.

01:17:11.660 She kept responding.

01:17:12.740 I'm eager to meet soon.

01:17:13.900 Soon.

01:17:14.100 This went on for months of her being like, I'm eager to meet with you.

01:17:17.640 I'll talk to you soon.

01:17:19.020 Ghost for like five, six articles.

01:17:22.300 She writes the whole article.

01:17:23.220 She's like, you have 48 hours to respond to a million bullet points.

01:17:27.360 And I'm like, fuck that.

01:17:28.380 I was like, I gave you the opportunity and I posted the exchange.

01:17:31.740 Rogan saw that.

01:17:32.940 And he's like the New York times.

01:17:34.560 It's the worst.

01:17:35.420 And that, that prompted it.

01:17:36.740 And actually I have my phone.

01:17:39.000 So I, I, she, she never, this is the reporter never responded.

01:17:43.400 I wrote, her name is Emily Steele.

01:17:45.280 This lady who wrote the article on me.

01:17:47.020 This is Friday, January 13th.

01:17:49.240 I just tweeted a thank you for the hit piece you wrote on me.

01:17:52.060 It's what landed me on Rogan and introduced a brand new audience to me.

01:17:55.520 Thank you for being a hater.

01:17:56.860 It actually made my brand stronger than ever.

01:17:59.140 Thank you.

01:17:59.780 So I just sent her that little fuck for you.

01:18:02.040 Yeah.

01:18:02.440 They fucking do that shit, man.

01:18:04.360 They do that shit.

01:18:05.160 They sneak around.

01:18:06.220 People call somebody, call your old employer.

01:18:09.140 It's crazy.

01:18:10.000 And it's like, I've always said, Hey, I'm here.

01:18:12.340 Like I'm, I'm saying, I'll sit down.

01:18:14.300 You can ask me fucking anything and record it as long as I can too.

01:18:17.920 If you're trying to do a fair and what's crazy.

01:18:21.260 Like I grew up in a, in my brain, I'm like the New York times is like legit.

01:18:25.300 Yeah.

01:18:25.620 That is what I thought of the New York times.

01:18:27.720 So I always look at that unless you're in this fucking world and you're like part of it.

01:18:34.020 Like even my dad, who's a liberal hates fucking Trump, that type of guy.

01:18:37.900 Like he still has a hard time to be like, yeah, the New York times is biased.

01:18:41.180 Like he almost has it because he's seen it, but it, it, it, it is scary because if you're

01:18:46.340 not in it, you just believe like most normal people aren't going to do the back research

01:18:50.500 on a hit piece, they're going to be like, Oh, that's true.

01:18:52.640 So that, that part of it is fucking scary.

01:18:55.320 Well, it's even like even headlines in anything.

01:18:57.520 Yeah.

01:18:57.620 If somebody writes like Larry's gay and you see that as the headline, it'd be like, damn

01:19:00.920 dude.

01:19:01.320 Right.

01:19:01.640 Because more, Larry's gay.

01:19:02.800 Did you hear Larry's gay?

01:19:03.900 Yeah.

01:19:04.260 Larry's fucking gay.

01:19:05.120 And they didn't even add, they didn't even know who it, they didn't even look at if,

01:19:08.060 who it is, if it's Lawrence or who it is.

01:19:10.700 Yeah.

01:19:10.880 No, that is nobody.

01:19:13.080 It's just like, and then it's like, and there's never any apology.

01:19:16.400 That's the weirdest thing.

01:19:17.460 You're like, you're, you're, there's never any like recuperate or any.

01:19:22.760 So business insider, who I fucking hate wrote a hit piece on me and it was vicious.

01:19:27.420 Basically made me sound like a rapist.

01:19:29.360 And like within 24 hours, I had all the receipts.

01:19:33.980 Like, Oh, thank God.

01:19:36.400 Of like, well, here's all the proof that this is totally fucking bullshit.

01:19:40.640 I was, I guess naive at the time.

01:19:43.180 Like, Oh, they're going to retract it.

01:19:44.500 Say apology.

01:19:45.020 They said, they wrote another article and my lawyer was like, well, they can now say

01:19:50.900 it's news.

01:19:51.580 It's like, well, it's only news because they fucking wrote it, but it becomes new.

01:19:56.160 It's like, what, what kind of fucked up game is this?

01:19:59.280 It's news now.

01:20:00.620 It's crazy.

01:20:01.840 It's fucking crazy.

01:20:02.860 I went all the way, fucking sued their asses.

01:20:04.900 And it, it just, the judge came back.

01:20:07.580 They're like, there's no way being bad at your job.

01:20:11.800 Isn't an excuse to like, so it's almost like Johnny Depp.

01:20:14.660 Johnny Depp when he sued, he originally sued the newspaper and lost because the newspaper

01:20:19.900 can always be like, well, we didn't know that she wasn't telling the truth or we didn't

01:20:23.800 look at any of the other evidence.

01:20:25.540 You have to sue the actual, like he sued Amber Heard.

01:20:28.060 So the whole thing's fucked.

01:20:30.020 I know, huh?

01:20:30.800 Makes me really jaded.

01:20:32.040 Yeah, dude.

01:20:33.180 This shit makes everybody mad.

01:20:34.540 I think, cause you start to feel like there's no way to win against this thing and whatever

01:20:40.180 this thing is, but it starts to feel like there's something that you can't, you know,

01:20:44.000 the only way I look at it, people fucking hate me are always going to hate me.

01:20:48.740 I could cure cancer.

01:20:49.940 They'd be like, why didn't you do it faster?

01:20:51.460 Now the flip side, the people like me and love me are always going to love me.

01:20:54.840 And I've said before, what's great.

01:20:56.640 Now I tell the truth, but my crowd is so kind of like in my corner and I wasn't, but if

01:21:05.120 I wasn't telling the truth, they'd probably still believe me.

01:21:07.400 It's like, it's almost that they're on my side and the people aren't, aren't now.

01:21:12.320 Good for the people like me.

01:21:13.480 I do tell the truth and it's always honest, but it's so hard to convince once people have

01:21:17.900 their minds set up or made up, it's hard to get them off that point.

01:21:21.580 They just ignore like facts.

01:21:23.340 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:21:24.620 Yeah.

01:21:24.840 People want to be blind to facts.

01:21:26.120 That's kind of bizarre.

01:21:27.220 But then sometimes I wonder how much do I fall into the same trap, even myself, you know,

01:21:31.040 it's like, I sometimes wonder that, um, we saw this thing like Buzzfeed was starting to

01:21:38.020 use like AI to generate articles.

01:21:39.920 Do you see that?

01:21:40.620 Yeah.

01:21:40.920 Stock went up like a bazillion percent because of it.

01:21:43.300 But do you like, cause you have like real, you know, employees with alcoholism and whatever

01:21:49.080 else, you know, we got the real deal.

01:21:50.420 Yeah.

01:21:50.660 You guys got the fucking guy, you know, he's right there.

01:21:53.340 You know, some guy who's, you know, going to overdose or his wife's going to leave him

01:21:57.900 because he's writing another article for you, you know, it's like, you got, but you got

01:22:01.400 real people.

01:22:02.100 We got real people.

01:22:02.720 Yeah.

01:22:02.940 You got real people with fucking asthma, you know, like fucking real motherfuckers.

01:22:07.180 Um, does this kind of shit scare you or do you think this is cheap or do you think

01:22:10.800 anything about it?

01:22:11.460 It's a business.

01:22:12.080 It's, I mean, I feel like Buzzfeed has always been the lowest common denominator for talent.

01:22:17.700 So it doesn't surprise me.

01:22:19.040 Nothing will ever for our business.

01:22:21.340 We look for weird, talented people.

01:22:23.460 There's no way I, or anything like that who can, you know, reflect.

01:22:27.120 Well, I mean, I think Lenny balls, uh, but no, this is in our world.

01:22:30.840 It doesn't, it doesn't scare me.

01:22:33.300 It doesn't surprise me.

01:22:35.000 Um, yeah.

01:22:35.580 Cause it says Buzzfeed's using AI to write its articles after firing 180 employees.

01:22:39.900 Yeah.

01:22:40.160 They're talking about their like listicles and shit.

01:22:42.520 Right.

01:22:42.920 So they're just aggregating.

01:22:44.360 I feel bad for the people who got fired too, but I wouldn't say those people were like the

01:22:49.000 pinnacle of like talent, you know?

01:22:51.820 Right.

01:22:52.160 Um, so it, no Thoreau's no wall.

01:22:54.820 Yeah.

01:22:55.220 You're coming up with like, uh, you know, that, I don't know the 10 things you should

01:23:00.040 fucking be doing when you like come home after your grocery.

01:23:03.180 I don't know what the fuck.

01:23:04.260 Yeah.

01:23:04.300 Yeah.

01:23:04.520 10 things you do when your cat dies.

01:23:05.860 Yeah.

01:23:06.160 Right.

01:23:06.520 Yeah.

01:23:06.780 So they're just aggregating it again.

01:23:08.740 I do feel bad for the employees.

01:23:10.900 Uh, but this isn't, I wouldn't view Buzzfeed as like my world necessarily.

01:23:17.440 Like we really are looking for like talented people or weirdos.

01:23:23.120 Yeah.

01:23:23.520 Me and Caleb wanted to try and do a show, you know, it would be fun.

01:23:27.660 I like spending time with him.

01:23:29.460 Uh, the, the bigger, I wouldn't say the bigger threat, if you want to call it to my world,

01:23:35.320 our world is the evolution of like technology, like let's take you, for example, there's

01:23:42.720 probably a world back when we started where you wouldn't have nearly the vehicles to get

01:23:50.080 your name out there without like coming to us, you know, or, or somebody or TikToker like

01:23:55.140 Tik TOK doesn't exist.

01:23:56.020 So if you're a talented person, how do you get your content out there?

01:23:59.120 It's far fewer places.

01:24:00.480 Um, so that, that's the harder thing because, you know, we really have to find the talent

01:24:06.600 early, early, early, because once someone's pretty established on social media or through

01:24:12.100 their platforms, they don't need us at all.

01:24:14.700 So that, that's the harder thing with, do you have somebody looking for that kind of thing?

01:24:18.340 Yeah.

01:24:18.500 We're always looking for talent really always now when you say always looking, but you have

01:24:21.900 like, it's like an employee that's actively kind of, no, we don't.

01:24:24.580 Right.

01:24:24.840 So I guess not where we're always willing to hire talent if we find it.

01:24:28.220 Right.

01:24:28.360 Right.

01:24:28.520 But it, it, it is hard.

01:24:30.540 You got to get them super early.

01:24:31.600 And, and our value prop on that early is basically we'll be like gasoline.

01:24:35.760 We'll accelerate you.

01:24:36.840 You sign, you know, uh, uh, generally like a two, three year contract.

01:24:40.440 And if you're good, being in our network should really like give you maybe a, a way to cut

01:24:47.500 the line.

01:24:47.980 So to speak, to get your name out there, then you can reevaluate.

01:24:51.100 Do you want to stay with us?

01:24:51.800 You want to do it on your own?

01:24:52.580 That type of thing.

01:24:53.240 Yeah.

01:24:54.700 Um, what do you think anything about like this GP, this GP chat thing, that thing that can

01:24:58.760 make all its own articles and stuff that can write papers, you know, is that what's the

01:25:02.460 difference between that and the listicle shit chat GPT can be like, Hey, will you write

01:25:06.640 me a, um, a paper, uh, you know, it's a Dave Portnoy writes a paper on, uh, young men trying

01:25:15.720 to meet each other in the 17th century.

01:25:18.400 Right.

01:25:18.900 Yep.

01:25:19.140 At night.

01:25:19.720 Yep.

01:25:20.080 And you put that information in there and then it'll do like a three page paper that would

01:25:24.960 be in your voice.

01:25:26.000 Sounds like a good fucking way to like get through school.

01:25:29.500 Yeah.

01:25:30.660 I just wonder how weird that's going to get.

01:25:32.560 If every, you know, like I, at the same questions, I mean, I, I don't know.

01:25:36.640 The same questions, I guess, what kind of, it's like, well, they're sourcing the information

01:25:39.700 from somewhere, you know?

01:25:41.180 So who's facts, like, how do you know where you're getting the information from?

01:25:45.640 What's real?

01:25:46.120 What's not what's biased.

01:25:47.540 That doesn't change that part of it.

01:25:49.360 Yeah.

01:25:50.120 I don't know.

01:25:50.520 Yeah.

01:25:50.640 I guess in the end, in the end, I think you're still going to have to have real talent will

01:25:54.660 prevail.

01:25:55.840 I think even with stuff like this, hopefully most people are going to see through like,

01:25:59.320 Oh, this is just another bullshit article.

01:26:01.340 Yeah.

01:26:01.740 And it's not anything that even a human wrote.

01:26:04.160 I feel like you can see that stuff pretty easily on the internet.

01:26:06.120 And if you're falling for that shit, then you, you are, something is wrong with you.

01:26:11.440 And yeah, I don't know what, what these things will be used for exactly.

01:26:16.220 But I, I know in our world, at least a lot of what people like is because they are attached

01:26:23.860 to the personality.

01:26:24.700 Oh yeah.

01:26:25.060 So like if, if you switch the names on who, like you, I, it changes how people perceive

01:26:30.480 it because if it's Theo Vaughn wrote or did something, people know you and they view it

01:26:36.460 through that lens and that affects their enjoyment or lack thereof.

01:26:40.480 Yeah.

01:26:40.540 You know?

01:26:41.440 Yeah.

01:26:41.760 Like when Frank left the Jags game early, that shit broke my, I was like, what is even

01:26:45.340 going on?

01:26:46.140 But I found myself enveloped in his life.

01:26:48.120 I want to know what's going on.

01:26:49.220 Why is he leaving early?

01:26:50.240 I didn't know why he was leaving early either.

01:26:52.220 It blew my, it's like, this is the best game.

01:26:54.720 And he flew all the way.

01:26:56.200 You're talking to Bill's, Bill's Dolphins.

01:26:58.460 Yeah.

01:26:58.720 Bill's Dolphins.

01:26:59.300 Sorry.

01:26:59.760 Yeah.

01:26:59.960 Yeah.

01:27:00.040 Yeah.

01:27:00.160 When he left it, when Frank left the Bill's Dolphins game early, I just.

01:27:03.240 That's the attitude of Barstool and full display.

01:27:06.280 He, I think I was mad at first because like, why'd we fucking send him there?

01:27:09.480 Yeah.

01:27:09.880 If he can't stay.

01:27:10.660 And by the way, you're never going to make a six, 6 PM flight.

01:27:14.400 The game was long, but like the game's at one, you're going to be sitting in traffic.

01:27:18.420 There's no chance.

01:27:19.200 So it was doomed from the beginning.

01:27:20.880 So like this went through like 10 different things at Barstool, like people who booked

01:27:24.820 it.

01:27:24.980 It's like in what world you can't, it's a one o'clock game.

01:27:27.680 You're never going to make six.

01:27:29.240 So yeah.

01:27:30.480 Yeah.

01:27:30.720 He's in that parking lot with his luggage.

01:27:32.480 I'm like, what is even going on?

01:27:33.980 And I think he really thought he had to leave.

01:27:36.100 It's like, what are you talking?

01:27:36.820 Like, of course you'll stay, stay the night and fly.

01:27:39.460 It's crazy.

01:27:41.640 Tom Brady just retired.

01:27:42.940 Yeah.

01:27:43.220 Yeah.

01:27:43.780 Yeah.

01:27:44.220 Did you feel anything about that?

01:27:45.860 So he's, he's, do you know Tom?

01:27:49.980 Very loosely.

01:27:51.280 But I have like a long history with him because of where I grew up.

01:27:57.180 Like, of course, you know, I, uh, the good, the bad, the ugly.

01:28:01.540 Like, so he, first of all, he went to the same school as me, Michigan.

01:28:03.880 So he's the same year.

01:28:04.940 Okay.

01:28:05.200 So, Oh, really?

01:28:06.140 So you remember him from college?

01:28:07.080 Yeah.

01:28:07.140 Yeah.

01:28:07.360 So went to college with him.

01:28:08.600 Then he comes to the Pats and I'm a, I'm in Boston and in the Patriots rise,

01:28:13.160 uh, really coincided with the Barstool rise.

01:28:15.720 So we're so closely linked together.

01:28:18.720 Everything since I've been involved with like the cops twice with Brady once in a negative

01:28:25.100 fashion, once in, well, cops involved is never good, but one anti Brady, I guess you could

01:28:32.040 say, and one pro like, so he way back in the day, uh, he, he basically Giselle was on the

01:28:40.660 beach with their little kid, Ben.

01:28:43.280 He was an infant, Ben Brady.

01:28:44.740 Oh my God.

01:28:44.960 Wow.

01:28:45.320 Uh, and he was naked.

01:28:46.640 Who was Tom was no Ben, the kid with Giselle on a beach, myself, Miami naked too.

01:28:51.900 If I was with her.

01:28:52.580 Yeah.

01:28:53.040 And well, keep in mind, the kid's an infant, her son.

01:28:55.680 Oh, okay.

01:28:56.540 So it's his son, tiny little kid, like the Gerber baby.

01:29:00.020 Oh, wow.

01:29:01.140 Huge dick, huge deck for a little baby.

01:29:03.980 And you saw it.

01:29:04.720 How far away were you?

01:29:05.360 No, it was a fucking paparazzi photo.

01:29:07.580 It was on the internet.

01:29:09.300 And I can see that wand on him.

01:29:11.300 Yeah.

01:29:11.800 And I made a joke that going deep.

01:29:15.000 This was the height of the Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, like rivalry.

01:29:20.420 So I, I wrote a blog in this one of our blog.

01:29:22.900 I said, check out the howitzer on Brady's baby.

01:29:25.200 And I wrote a sentence below.

01:29:26.940 I go, Peyton Manning could never have a kid with this big of a hog or something like this.

01:29:31.100 World War three broke out.

01:29:32.700 Dave's a pedophile.

01:29:33.920 He's sexualizing kids.

01:29:34.940 The kid was an infant.

01:29:36.580 Police knocked on my door in Boston, came in.

01:29:39.020 They're like, we're going to make your life real fucking horrible.

01:29:41.240 If you don't take this down.

01:29:42.500 Like people were saying, I should be beaten to death.

01:29:45.080 It was, Oh, it's like mystic river.

01:29:46.700 It was crazy.

01:29:48.080 So that was way early.

01:29:50.740 And then fast forward, the Patriots explode where we end up going to jail, defending Brady

01:29:56.140 for when he got suspended by the NFL, handcuffed ourselves to each other at NFL headquarters.

01:30:01.360 I've been dragged out of the Superbowl in handcuffs.

01:30:05.340 Bob Kraft, the owner of the team, when Brady came back with Tampa Bay, called me up.

01:30:10.180 He's like, I want you to be my guest for when Brady comes back.

01:30:12.980 So it's been the full circle and I have met him, I think a couple of times.

01:30:17.700 But like, so if I saw him, I'd be like, Hey, Tommy, like, Hey Dave, how's it going?

01:30:21.740 Good to see you.

01:30:22.380 But I don't know him like on a real personal level, but yeah, it's their success and everything

01:30:30.440 that happened with the Patriots.

01:30:32.260 I don't think Barstool probably is the same.

01:30:35.500 If that doesn't happen, it put us in the headlines in a lot of different ways.

01:30:39.540 So it's just a weird, magical ride.

01:30:42.280 It really has been.

01:30:43.420 It's been nuts.

01:30:44.860 It's really fascinating, man.

01:30:46.320 Congratulations.

01:30:47.280 Just on getting to have that experience because life, you know, to have the ups and downs, to

01:30:51.320 have all of it, you know, to really have so many experiences.

01:30:54.320 And football is so big in this country and the Superbowl is so big.

01:30:56.840 And we became Barstool, the face of like the Patriot fan.

01:31:01.940 Like there's a game they can probably pull out.

01:31:04.720 If you pull up like a Goodell clown towel.

01:31:07.880 So Goodell, the commissioner in the league, like the first time he came back to Gillette

01:31:12.600 after all the controversy, we printed like 70,000 of these towels with his face and a

01:31:17.960 nose.

01:31:18.620 And we got, we're like, we need volunteers to hand these things out.

01:31:24.100 It was a big fucking thing.

01:31:26.340 Like if you, you could, if you on the images for it, you'll see like the whole fucking stadium

01:31:32.320 basically, Ooh, like go to the bottom, right?

01:31:37.200 We had the shirts.

01:31:38.380 So yeah.

01:31:39.460 Like, wow, there you are.

01:31:40.520 Yeah.

01:31:40.760 So like the whole fucking stadium Goodell in there.

01:31:43.720 It just, it was a wild time.

01:31:46.040 And we became people just, they hated us because people hated the Patriots.

01:31:50.620 Like, but that was your thing.

01:31:51.560 You did it.

01:31:52.340 Barstool's in here.

01:31:53.180 It's like this infection.

01:31:54.440 It's like this, yeah, it's almost like this, like this plague, but it's not a negative

01:31:59.220 plague.

01:31:59.560 It's like this disruptor.

01:32:02.080 Yeah.

01:32:02.360 And the Patriots were the most talked about, hated, loved, whatever team for like two decades.

01:32:07.840 Oh yeah.

01:32:08.320 And we're just right in the middle of it.

01:32:09.780 I remember Tony Collins by there.

01:32:11.120 Didn't he?

01:32:11.380 Was that Tony?

01:32:11.880 Yeah.

01:32:12.280 You're going way back.

01:32:13.140 Yeah.

01:32:13.460 Yeah.

01:32:13.600 Running back.

01:32:14.280 Yeah.

01:32:14.620 I got to meet him one time.

01:32:16.060 He went to ECU.

01:32:17.300 He was a cool cat, man.

01:32:18.720 Yeah.

01:32:19.140 I like Tony Collins, but I think he played in their Superbowl game.

01:32:21.700 That would have been 85.

01:32:23.300 And they lost to the Bears, maybe?

01:32:24.640 Yeah.

01:32:24.960 Yeah.

01:32:25.260 Wow.

01:32:25.660 Yeah.

01:32:25.780 Yeah.

01:32:26.560 Yep.

01:32:26.920 That was when the Patriots, they were very good.

01:32:28.780 That Steve Grogan was like my guy.

01:32:30.220 He was like, I loved him.

01:32:31.920 Yeah.

01:32:32.360 That, I mean, the Patriots are, for the most part, a terrible franchise up till the Brady

01:32:36.360 era.

01:32:36.620 They had two Superbowls and the second one being the Parcells.

01:32:39.820 But like, if you, like Tecmo Bowl, did you ever play like, oh yeah.

01:32:43.180 Like they're the worst team in Tecmo Bowl.

01:32:44.520 It's very sad.

01:32:45.320 I can't even remember.

01:32:45.900 They had a lot of, I think one of the running back was white, I think even.

01:32:49.920 Could have been.

01:32:50.360 Yeah.

01:32:50.660 Craig James, half of the Pony Express.

01:32:53.240 Yeah.

01:32:53.640 I mean, yeah.

01:32:54.540 Them and the Colts are the two worst teams in it.

01:32:57.180 Yeah.

01:32:57.640 That was a lot.

01:32:58.880 What do you got for the Superbowl, man?

01:33:00.420 Where are you landing at with it?

01:33:02.600 I don't know.

01:33:03.260 I'm back and forth.

01:33:04.400 I think right now, you gotta see if the Chiefs get healthy.

01:33:07.560 Their wide receivers are so banged up.

01:33:09.180 But if they get back, I think they get a pretty good shot.

01:33:12.940 But it'll be a good game, I think.

01:33:14.420 We're heading out there.

01:33:15.380 So we have a bar in Scottsdale, which is cool.

01:33:18.240 Oh, nice.

01:33:18.860 Yeah.

01:33:19.060 We'll be doing like live radio there all week.

01:33:21.180 So we'll be there the whole time.

01:33:22.440 Oh, wow.

01:33:23.180 Yeah.

01:33:23.460 Yeah.

01:33:23.780 I'm trying to see if I'm going to get over there.

01:33:25.340 I expect to see you.

01:33:27.120 Yeah.

01:33:27.660 I think we'll probably figure it out.

01:33:28.520 Hopefully, I'll figure something out.

01:33:31.380 Yeah.

01:33:31.760 I feel like the Eagles, it just feels like there's some kind of weird destiny thing going on there.

01:33:35.940 I'm just tearing people up.

01:33:37.360 I can't tell.

01:33:38.140 I mean, it's a game they beat San Fran.

01:33:42.200 No quarterback like anybody could be.

01:33:44.200 I mean, I've never seen an NFL team.

01:33:45.920 They literally couldn't throw a forward pass.

01:33:47.480 So you're not going to win many games that way.

01:33:49.340 I think the Giants suck.

01:33:51.500 The Eagles are the number one team.

01:33:52.540 Best team the whole time in the NFC.

01:33:55.060 But I don't know how good they are.

01:33:56.520 Right.

01:33:56.660 Yeah, that division.

01:33:57.800 There was so much disparity in the league this year between good teams.

01:34:01.100 There's so many bad teams.

01:34:02.300 Yeah, and I thought the AFC was overall better.

01:34:03.960 But I think the Eagles are very good.

01:34:05.340 Yeah.

01:34:05.480 They're going to be a very good game.

01:34:06.480 Yeah.

01:34:07.040 Yeah, I think it's going to be exciting.

01:34:09.580 Have you seen this power slap and stuff?

01:34:11.920 Yes.

01:34:13.120 It's crazy.

01:34:14.360 What do you mean by crazy?

01:34:15.360 Because people are getting...

01:34:17.900 Well, their faces are getting deformed and shit.

01:34:20.080 Yeah.

01:34:20.460 One guy's wife couldn't recognize him.

01:34:23.120 So that's crazy.

01:34:24.780 Yeah.

01:34:25.060 I saw the clip of the woman doing the somersault after.

01:34:28.820 Yeah.

01:34:29.180 No, I see.

01:34:29.720 It's nuts.

01:34:30.760 It's nuts.

01:34:31.580 But I mean, people love that shit.

01:34:33.440 It does remind me of early UFC.

01:34:35.580 Yeah.

01:34:35.780 Like early UFC.

01:34:37.060 Because if you go Google it, a lot of hate out there online.

01:34:41.160 Like, this is the worst thing that's ever fucking happened.

01:34:43.220 You know, obviously, a lot of people have opinions on Dana White, his incident.

01:34:49.380 Oh, that was crazy that that happened right when the league started.

01:34:52.240 I almost feel like I wonder if that was planned.

01:34:53.920 It's like unbelievable.

01:34:56.680 Because his wife's at least a lot...

01:34:58.280 She's probably Bantamweight.

01:34:59.400 I don't know.

01:34:59.940 I didn't get...

01:35:00.460 It's hard to see.

01:35:01.540 I don't know about that.

01:35:03.120 I don't know what qualification she would be.

01:35:05.420 But so if you Google it, there's a lot of hate.

01:35:08.140 Right.

01:35:08.400 But it's entertaining.

01:35:11.680 It's scary to watch.

01:35:12.680 There's no doubt about that.

01:35:13.200 But people are getting hurt.

01:35:14.160 One guy bought a van, right?

01:35:15.340 If you see that, the guy left the place and bought a van for no reason.

01:35:18.300 Like, and he didn't even...

01:35:21.200 There was no reason.

01:35:22.140 Like, something...

01:35:22.860 So they're saying his brain got...

01:35:24.240 Like, his wires got crossed and something's like, you got to buy a van?

01:35:27.220 Yeah.

01:35:27.420 Imagine just going...

01:35:28.200 First of all, imagine buying a van.

01:35:29.660 Yeah.

01:35:30.500 Van's kind of cool.

01:35:31.640 Yeah, kind of.

01:35:32.340 But if you don't even need a van, you're just like, hey, I'm getting a van.

01:35:34.300 Like, you fucking come home from losing the fight with a van?

01:35:37.600 To pick a van.

01:35:38.720 Yeah.

01:35:39.060 Listen, it's entertaining.

01:35:40.980 Like, I really do think it's early...

01:35:43.200 I used to watch, like, the early, early UFCs.

01:35:45.700 No weight classes.

01:35:46.200 That was like ancient Rome, huh?

01:35:47.280 Yeah.

01:35:47.400 And you had to fight.

01:35:48.320 Like, you fight, you win, you fight again.

01:35:50.040 It's like tournament.

01:35:50.920 And people are, like, horrified.

01:35:52.200 Like, what the fuck is this?

01:35:53.980 It reminds me a little...

01:35:55.180 Because there's definitely something about it.

01:35:57.120 And I don't know what that says about the human psyche.

01:35:58.700 It's like, yeah, I want to watch.

01:35:59.920 Like, this is fucking interesting.

01:36:01.500 Like, slap them harder.

01:36:02.560 So, it's an interesting thing.

01:36:06.160 I think Dana's pretty confident it's going to be successful.

01:36:08.360 And the numbers are big.

01:36:09.260 So, we'll see.

01:36:10.200 Yeah, it's hard to deny those clips when you see them.

01:36:12.380 It's like, you want to stay on it, but you don't want to.

01:36:14.200 It's like that and the people, like, attacking CVS workers.

01:36:18.300 Those are the two clips where I'm like, do I want to keep watching this?

01:36:20.560 Bump fights?

01:36:21.020 Like, shit like that?

01:36:21.860 Like, you just...

01:36:23.020 Now, I'm sure they'll have to, just like UFC.

01:36:26.920 That's why I say it.

01:36:27.880 If it continues and grows, they'll have to put some regulations, which he already said.

01:36:31.640 But there's something there.

01:36:32.840 There's undeniable something there.

01:36:34.960 A human psyche.

01:36:35.740 It's like, yeah, I want to watch somebody get slapped.

01:36:38.240 It's so silly they do a somersault.

01:36:40.180 I don't know what it says about humans, but like you said, people fucking used to go to the Colosseum in Rome to watch fucking gladiators.

01:36:48.000 There's something inherent to it.

01:36:49.840 Yeah.

01:36:51.740 With all the success with Barstool, you guys have crushed it so much and your journey through it.

01:36:57.520 Do you think that there'd be a...

01:36:59.060 Do you ever start to have ideas of, like, there's something else you want to do down the line?

01:37:02.220 I know you guys are...

01:37:03.040 You have a watch company now.

01:37:04.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:05.300 Brick Watch.

01:37:05.900 Brick Watch, right.

01:37:06.600 I saw you tag...

01:37:07.000 I got fucking crucified for it.

01:37:08.280 You did?

01:37:09.480 Crucified.

01:37:10.120 It's the number one thing I've been crucified for in my life.

01:37:13.160 For doing watches?

01:37:14.120 Because they're not cheap.

01:37:16.220 They're $2,400.

01:37:17.420 Okay.

01:37:17.880 And people...

01:37:18.500 It's nice looking.

01:37:19.180 Thank you.

01:37:19.860 It is.

01:37:20.340 I saw Eric Olson have one.

01:37:21.420 No, it was his name.

01:37:21.700 Greg Olson.

01:37:22.620 Yeah, Greg Olson.

01:37:23.240 He had it on.

01:37:24.900 But there's a community of watch people who take their watches so fucking seriously that I didn't...

01:37:30.120 I was...

01:37:31.040 I built...

01:37:31.960 Mine was, like, built for people like me who...

01:37:34.760 I'm not going to spend, like, 10 grand on Rolex, but I thought I want a watch that's clean, looks good.

01:37:39.600 I spent a lot of time, like, coming up with the design of it.

01:37:43.100 It's more of a fashion watch.

01:37:44.500 People went under the hood.

01:37:46.220 It was...

01:37:47.500 We'll see what happens with it, but whenever I post it, like, watch snobs, they come from my throat.

01:37:52.660 Really?

01:37:53.140 Crazy.

01:37:53.860 Yeah.

01:37:53.940 Like, time Nazis?

01:37:55.020 Like, fucking...

01:37:55.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:56.340 Yes.

01:37:57.020 Time Nazis.

01:37:57.620 A bunch of fucking second monkeys out there.

01:37:59.120 Yeah, no, they're like, I could buy this watch for this fucking...

01:38:02.960 It has this movement and does this and fucking sucks my dick and, you know, doesn't do that.

01:38:07.380 They're crazy.

01:38:08.520 Watch people.

01:38:10.080 And they thought they're like, you're doing it as a scam.

01:38:12.520 It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:38:14.200 I'm doing it as a scam.

01:38:14.920 Why?

01:38:15.180 Like, no, I'm not.

01:38:16.620 And it's like, by the way, I'm at the point, and maybe rightly or wrongly, where I can get investors for everything.

01:38:22.780 People are like, oh, he's a smart business guy.

01:38:24.900 So if I'm like, I'm doing something, people knew I was doing this.

01:38:27.360 They were, like, begging to throw money.

01:38:29.000 I was like, no, because honestly, if it doesn't work, I don't want you to be able to be, like, in my grill.

01:38:34.320 Like, I'll lose my own money, and I don't have to worry about a phone call from anybody being like...

01:38:39.100 Yeah, it's kind of nice, huh?

01:38:39.840 Yeah.

01:38:40.260 So it's my own money that I either will lose or make.

01:38:43.560 But, yeah, it's been a wild experience.

01:38:45.720 I've done a lot.

01:38:47.580 People, it's slowed down a little bit, but when I launch it, people come over the throat.

01:38:52.020 But to answer your question beyond that, and that was just something I thought would work.

01:38:55.480 Right.

01:38:55.660 It's like, it's kind of that entrepreneurial spirit.

01:38:58.900 I spent a year or so, year and a half developing it.

01:39:01.520 Beyond that, one misconception I think people have always had about me is, like, I'm ultra-driven.

01:39:07.660 I like to do shit.

01:39:08.920 Like, I think I have two more years with Barstool, guaranteed.

01:39:12.940 And then I could disappear to a beach.

01:39:15.020 Who fucking knows?

01:39:15.780 Like, I don't know.

01:39:17.280 I don't have that inherent need, I don't think, to work.

01:39:21.700 People don't believe me about that.

01:39:22.980 They think I'm an egomaniac.

01:39:24.420 Like, I'll have to be in the headlines.

01:39:26.540 We'll see.

01:39:28.160 I mean, always an instigator.

01:39:29.640 I just don't know if that'll kind of disappear, and I hope it doesn't, you know?

01:39:32.300 It's fun to watch you instigate through the world, I think.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.300 You know?

01:39:35.680 It's been really entertaining.

01:39:36.720 I mean, it's been entertaining.

01:39:38.800 You know, I've long been a fan, and then I got to meet you, and you seemed like a very,

01:39:42.340 you just seemed a lot more even down-to-earth than I expected, man.

01:39:45.680 I know that's a weird, it's not a compliment to give someone, but I think you look at someone's

01:39:49.240 life, and it looks so busy and insane, and then you meet them, and they seem, you know,

01:39:53.680 it's interesting to find somebody that seems kind of down-to-earth.

01:39:56.860 I appreciate that.

01:39:57.420 So, like, I'm sure with, like, in your work, like, there's a lot of decisions to be made,

01:40:01.140 right?

01:40:01.420 Have you always been a good decision maker?

01:40:03.280 Do you have, like, a process when it comes to that?

01:40:05.760 Because you probably have to make decisions pretty quick.

01:40:08.460 Yeah.

01:40:08.780 No, I just go with my gut.

01:40:10.320 Like, I always view it sort of Family Feud style.

01:40:16.400 Like, you know, if you watch the Family Feud, you got the head guy at the table, right?

01:40:19.580 Oh, yeah.

01:40:19.940 And then everyone shouts the answers at them.

01:40:21.980 If you hear a good answer, you're like, all right, I'll go with that guy.

01:40:24.460 But even if they have the right answer, but in my gut, I'm like, no, I get the right answer.

01:40:29.020 I'll go with mine.

01:40:29.860 I may get the X, but that's kind of how it is.

01:40:32.480 It's all gut-based.

01:40:33.640 Yeah?

01:40:34.060 Yeah.

01:40:34.400 There's no...

01:40:36.540 I look at this.

01:40:39.180 I follow my gut since I started.

01:40:41.400 We've been wildly successful.

01:40:42.940 A lot of breaks that I could have never dreamed of.

01:40:45.620 And I didn't start Barstool, really, to, like, be here.

01:40:48.840 I just didn't want to hate my job waking up in the morning.

01:40:51.200 But why would I stop following my gut?

01:40:53.480 It's gotten us this far, so.

01:40:55.420 Do you have a mentor that you reach out to if there's things that, like, you're unsure about?

01:40:58.580 Occasionally, there's a couple guys.

01:41:01.180 There's a dude, Mike Rapoli, who I met through horse racing.

01:41:04.540 He started, like, Vitamin Water.

01:41:07.400 He started Body Armor.

01:41:09.780 So he sold both for, like, billions.

01:41:12.000 He's a crazy guy, but down-to-earth nice.

01:41:14.300 So sometimes, like, business questions, I'll ask him.

01:41:17.260 Erica Nardini, our CEO, we have, like, the best relationship.

01:41:20.460 So I'll run shit by her.

01:41:23.180 You know, my family.

01:41:25.220 But those are kind of it.

01:41:27.480 We met a guy who sells.

01:41:29.180 They do, like, horse.

01:41:30.240 You know, the horse does sex with other horses.

01:41:35.180 Oh, yeah.

01:41:35.600 Breeding.

01:41:36.040 Yeah, breeding.

01:41:37.120 And their horse was, like, a champion.

01:41:38.580 And it won, like, a – it won the damn, you know, I don't know what it is.

01:41:45.620 Kentucky Derby?

01:41:46.860 No, I think it was, like, Brickstone or Bricktown or something.

01:41:49.900 I don't know what it's called.

01:41:50.700 But, yeah, maybe Kentucky Derby.

01:41:52.160 I can't remember.

01:41:53.020 That or the Brickstone.

01:41:54.200 Or the Brickstone.

01:41:55.160 So they're wondering.

01:41:56.420 But people will pay.

01:41:57.560 And he said, like, all through the week, there's just lines of, like, people bringing in their horse.

01:42:02.540 And the horse has sex with it.

01:42:04.240 And then they make, like, $30,000 every time the horse pumps.

01:42:08.580 And it's just out there pumping all fall.

01:42:10.640 Yeah.

01:42:11.060 That's crazy.

01:42:11.840 Yeah.

01:42:12.480 What that has to do with – oh, Rapoli.

01:42:14.300 I mentioned the horse guy.

01:42:15.140 Yeah, breeding.

01:42:15.800 That's where all the money is.

01:42:17.060 God.

01:42:17.540 Yeah, and they have to have it, like, natural.

01:42:19.160 You can't, like, artificial inseminated.

01:42:21.460 It has to.

01:42:21.740 They actually have to fuck.

01:42:22.820 That's part of the rules.

01:42:23.640 Yeah.

01:42:24.160 Yeah, because you get to be right there, he said.

01:42:25.780 Yeah, and it's, like, if it doesn't take or it doesn't work, you still fucking spend the money.

01:42:30.260 Yeah.

01:42:31.240 Damn, boy.

01:42:32.100 That's a lot for a blast, homie.

01:42:33.440 Yeah, put it out to stud.

01:42:34.660 That's basically what that's called.

01:42:36.180 The male, they put out to stud.

01:42:37.500 They bring the females.

01:42:39.260 Boom, bang, bang.

01:42:40.920 You're a busy guy.

01:42:41.980 And so, like, obviously, your life's super busy.

01:42:44.060 Do you have, like, a day-to-day ritual that you do every morning?

01:42:46.640 This might be a bad question.

01:42:47.720 I don't know if I've even asked this.

01:42:48.760 Yeah, no.

01:42:51.320 I've definitely taken the foot off the gas a little bit.

01:42:54.020 Like, the early days, I much more do.

01:42:57.720 No, not as much anymore.

01:42:59.900 I mean, I have my schedule, like, the BFF podcast, which is, like, a Tuesday.

01:43:03.700 We'll have college, depending on the sport, like, sport shows to do.

01:43:07.140 My pizza review is every single day.

01:43:09.100 So, I got to make sure those are in.

01:43:12.040 I'm going to start day trading again probably in March.

01:43:14.460 That'll be, like, at the beginning of the stock market, the end of it.

01:43:16.900 But I've definitely taken the gas, the foot off the pedal a little bit.

01:43:22.320 I mean, 20 years is a long fucking time to be doing something.

01:43:24.700 Yeah.

01:43:25.400 Would you ever come up with, like, an investing arm through Barstool, do you think?

01:43:29.220 Yeah, theoretically.

01:43:31.000 Because at some point, some of your fans will start to get older.

01:43:34.720 Yeah.

01:43:34.980 And they'll have money they want to invest.

01:43:36.780 Yeah.

01:43:37.500 Well, in other things, yeah.

01:43:40.240 Yeah, potentially.

01:43:41.640 I don't know.

01:43:42.700 Maybe.

01:43:43.360 I mean, it might be interesting, you know?

01:43:44.540 Yeah.

01:43:45.020 Especially if you are doing it or you get involved with people that do it well.

01:43:47.900 Yeah.

01:43:48.380 I'm sure a lot of your supporters would want to have the same or do the same.

01:43:53.440 We done?

01:43:54.280 Yeah.

01:43:54.700 I think we covered a lot of stuff, man.

01:43:56.220 All right.

01:43:56.700 Dude, thanks so much for hanging out, dude.

01:43:58.460 Yeah, no.

01:43:58.980 It was fun.

01:44:00.060 I'm glad I got to do it.

01:44:01.480 Yeah.

01:44:01.960 I appreciate it, man.

01:44:02.880 Yeah.

01:44:03.460 For sure.

01:44:04.480 I want to come back on BFF sometime.

01:44:06.740 Open invite.

01:44:07.780 Praise, brother.

01:44:08.660 All right.

01:44:08.940 All right.

01:44:09.420 Thanks, Dave.

01:44:09.880 Cool.

01:44:10.620 Now I'm just floating on the breeze

01:44:13.260 And I feel I'm falling like these leaves

01:44:16.220 I must be cornerstone

01:44:19.540 Oh, but when I reach that ground

01:44:24.120 I'll share this peace of mind

01:44:26.260 I found I can feel it

01:44:28.320 In my bones

01:44:30.440 But it's gonna take

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