E455 Hulk Hogan
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 50 minutes
Words per minute
210.93672
Harmful content
Misogyny
24
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Toxicity
148
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Hate speech
25
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Summary
Hulk Hogan is one of the most recognizable human beings in the entire world. He s headlined 8 WrestleManias, and he headlined my childhood. Hulk Hogan is an entertainer, an athlete, a movie star, and his daughter is his daughter.
Transcript
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He's one of the most known human beings in the entire world.
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I'm grateful to get to spend time with him today.
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If you did, that's the toughest thing I've ever seen anybody do.
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Dude, the guy, I'm going to just go out on a limb
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he'd drink his own blood if you told him it had gin in it, I think.
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Brother, breakfast, hard liquor, vitamins, hard liquor.
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Lunch, a couple beers, hard liquor, night wine.
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But I never saw him drink any water until recently.
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I think he's back off the water, back on the roll again.
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Yeah, he said he did 30 days sober and then walked across the street to a bar
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He can, he just can, he's, that's who he is, though.
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The funny part is when he was, had that really serious health issue.
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I got a call from Wendy and it didn't look good.
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So I flew up, got a plane right away, flew up to Atlanta.
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I goes, hey, your buddy here has destroyed his body, the inside of some of his intestines
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and stuff were dying and stuff because he's got a 5% chance.
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I'm sitting there holding his hand, holding his hand.
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Like when I was doing the New York Madison Square Garden thing, he held the Southern Belt thing down,
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which was actually a little harder because he was going an hour every night.
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Sometimes they do what they call Broadway's where nobody wins.
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He'd do like two-hour Broadway's with Harley Race.
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Yeah, because they didn't want to switch belts.
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If somebody told me to go an hour Broadway, that's going to just beat me.
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But no, I say he was the best server was simply because he was so consistent.
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Now, if you're talking about who drew the most money or internationally,
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who saturated all the international markets over the years,
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I had more time and I had more seat time, like a good race car driver.
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I had more seat time in all these foreign markets.
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And Rick spent the majority of his career down south and he didn't have that swing arm
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to plug into Mozambique, Zambali, Malaysia, all these places where people will know
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who Hulk Hogan is, but they might not know who Tom Brady is.
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I don't know if it was AWA or NWA at that time when he was really the king of it.
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It was almost like I had friends that watched wrestling, right?
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But I knew if they really watched wrestling, if they knew about NWA.
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That's when you could tell if they were that next level of fucking.
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It was a lot of guys that just couldn't even read and they'd be in the stands yelling,
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Yeah, you had to be dialed in to be like that whole Crockett Southern Belt promotion.
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I was more accessible to the housewives than the kids that didn't know what wrestling was.
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And I'd been begging him to come up there for years.
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And then once he came up, then we started rocking.
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Did you feel a little bit of like, holy shit, how is this going to go?
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There can only be so many men on the mountaintops.
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Well, it's kind of like, it's hard to explain, but I play the dumb fox a lot.
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And for me, I'm always looking at who's got the big dollar sign on their chest.
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And I don't mean to be an egomaniac, but I mean, I could actually wrestle anybody at that time
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I mean, we sold out everywhere constantly for years.
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It didn't matter if I wrestled Flair or Kamala or Paul Orndorff, Mr. Wonderful, or it didn't
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Oh, you could wrestle fucking Hunter Biden, dude.
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It was, I wanted him to get over so I would have somebody to work with and chase, you know?
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It was about, for me, it was like the old school thing, the money and the miles, you know?
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So, you know, I wasn't really that into being on the road or getting beat on every night.
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Do you think that you felt more like an athlete?
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Did you feel, I mean, because you came from a music background, did you feel more like
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Did you feel more like a, like this is just, did you almost make wrestling your music
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You're hitting it on all these cylinders there.
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I really wasn't an elite athlete that was great on the football field or, you know,
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a great wrestler, you know, amateur wrestler, or, you know, I had a baseball background,
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but I didn't, you know, play major league baseball.
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I had a couple of things that happened to me that stopped all that stuff.
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But I looked at myself more as just, you said, it was like an art form, an extension
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And when I, once I figured out what the business was about, because you can Google Hulk Hogan
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in Japan, you can see me get down and wrestle like Bret Hart and all the guys.
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Cause that's how I started, you know, back in the day here.
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I think I'm here on that suit, broke my leg the first day, ran me off, put me in the
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dojo for two years, learned wrestling, hook submissions, you know.
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Well, I went through the motions because back then, if you got your ass beating the bar,
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brother, you were out of the wrestling business, you know, back in the seventies, it was back
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in the late seventies, a little bit different than the performance center now with the WWE.
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And if you wanted a job, there's a 300 pound guy where there were callifiers, you had to
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take the food out of his wife and kid's mouth to get in the business.
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It wasn't like, you know, there's 40 wrestlers here that have been training, you know, at
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We can pick one when one gets hurt and replace, replace them.
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But yeah, it was, uh, it was, uh, something that once I figured the business out, you
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know, I kind of like watched a bunch of guys growing up.
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Like I watched Dusty Rose law cause I was from here, you know, and then I also watched
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And I kind of like stole a little bit from both of them.
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And then I was digging and wrestling and digging and wrestling around here.
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And then I quit and I went to, you know, Northern Florida through P Cola and mobile, Alabama,
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Then I went up to Memphis for a while and I quit.
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And when you were quitting, what was it making you quit kind of?
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When you're beating the shit out of somebody at a best Western.
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And then in between rock and roll bands, one of the lead singers in my band got me in the
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laborers union here because in between bands, we'd go put our, go to the labor, labor hall
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You may get a job for four days at the mall working with a pipe fitter or three days at
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a government shutdown, working with electricians.
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And I got a call to go be a longshoreman, help a longshoreman.
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So once I learned how to be, it was a weird place cause I was probably the first white
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guy ever in the longshoreman using here in Tampa.
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And so then I learned how to load the ships and I became a stevedore.
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But in between wrestling, I was like, man, 13, 14 times a week, twice on Wednesday, twice
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on Saturday, three times on Sunday, I wrestled for $125.
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I'm going back to the docks where I was making 400 bucks a day.
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You know, eating the gimmicks and working 14, 15 hours, you know?
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Then I went back and one time I slammed somebody.
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And the reaction got more response than the body slam.
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And then when I got fired from the WWF the first time by Vince Senior, when I went to make
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the Rocky movie, I went and spent three years in Minnesota.
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The whole mania thing out, the ripping the shirt, the hulking up.
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But I wasn't an elite athlete, but I figured the business out.
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And I got real good at, instead of getting somebody in the corner and kicking them 20 times
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like the guys do, I'd kick somebody once and leave them lying.
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And I'd walk around and strut like a peacock and do my thing.
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And I figured out how to create emotion and drama and get people really pissed off at me
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But I had enough of an athletic ability to have balance and, you know, basically replacement
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and have a cadence in the ring, which, you know, a lot of guys can figure out.
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It's just, it's really, it's kind of fascinating to see like what, because I don't, as a fan,
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like, dude, I remember like we would try to stay up for a Saturday night main event, man.
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I remember my brother and I holding each other's eyes open because we were, because it wouldn't
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And like, we were fucking sitting there and we would wake up in the morning.
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We were like, when you would come on, it was like, man, it didn't matter how poor we were.
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It was like, I didn't care about the wrestling, you know, like I did.
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The wrestling was cool, but I cared about whoever that, like whoever they made me, whatever
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And when you, it was like, it made me feel like, man, this is an escape.
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Like, and I fell more in love with the, yeah, the person, not the moves.
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Like it didn't matter who was the most athletic, you know, snooker was fun to watch because
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he had, you know, this hair coming off him and, you know, and these, you know, domestic
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But he was like, but otherwise it was like, yeah, it was about the person.
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And that whole thing I slid into, you know, that from Venice Beach, California, of course,
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And that whole being tanner than everybody and having the blonde hair and, and just kind
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of like the training prayers and vitamins, that impeccable baby face character, you know,
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it kind of like was just perfect timing with everything.
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So I kind of figured out, you know, right away, you know, that the character worked and
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I saw how I kind of like came up with a little bit better character than everybody else around
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I picked it up and I wrote it some more and I spanked it and wrote it some more.
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And even when Vince told me, you know, your run's over and I think you're done with it.
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Let's work for Ted Turner for 10 years and taught everybody a lesson.
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And then I went in the red and yellow for a couple of years.
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Then we've got, I kind of felt a little rumble.
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I needed to do something evil, you know, and then that got red hot.
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Well, I came into New York in 77 as a bad guy because I sold out Shea Stadium with Andre
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I spent 20 years in Japan, six months out of the year in Japan.
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First of all, you're twice as big as anybody there.
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You're as big as some families don't weigh as much as you there.
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I didn't get married until 83, end of 83 December.
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So in 77, I went over there, and the guy that broke my leg the first day was a guy named
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And then they ran me off, you know, because I had real long blonde hair all the way down
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to my ass coming out of a rock and roll band thinking I could be a wrestler.
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When I got home, my dad beat my ass worse than Matsuda did.
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He said, don't you ever let anybody hurt you again.
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So a few months later, when my leg was healed, I went back, and I had that attitude, you know,
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because when I was younger, I was real strong and, you know, kind of aggressive.
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And so I said, I'm not going to let these guys hurt me, you know.
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And so I went back, and, you know, then they couldn't run me off, and they did everything
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Finally, they just said, okay, we need to teach this guy.
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So I spent a couple years in Japan learning the submissions, hooks, and all the UFC stuff
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Not much, but I learned enough to protect myself.
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And, you know, then when I went to Japan, I had this mystique of here on Matsuda broke
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And then just like we had Elvis here, the Japanese at the time had a real famous Japanese
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So the first thing I did was I went in the studio, and I cut an album with the most popular
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Then the other thing was I brought Freddie Blassie with me.
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And he used to wrestle a guy named Ricky Dozen in Japan, who was a mafia guy, because
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all the wrestling in Japan is run by the mafia.
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Then when he wrestled, he'd follow this other set of teeth down.
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And he would bite these guys in the head, suck the blood out of the head, and then spit
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And his first tour over there, three old ladies died watching TV.
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I cut this music so the Japanese think I'm some superstar, because I just played music
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What was the fanhood like and how they treat fans different in America and Japan?
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Well, over in Japan, they treat you like your royalty.
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It's just like Brad Pitt and Tom Brady all in one.
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And they've got the sumo wrestlers, and they've got the pro wrestlers.
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And even the sumo wrestlers would be bowing down to us.
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So when you go into the dressing room at night, wherever you're at, there'd be a sheet
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of paper on the wall, and it was in Japanese writing.
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Of course, I knew my name in Japanese, you know, Hulk Hogan, Ichiban, number one.
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And I would know my name, but I couldn't read who I was wrestling.
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So all of a sudden, in the Japanese dressing room, before I started living and traveling
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with the Japanese, I was still with the gaijins, with the Americans.
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All of a sudden, I hear all this crazy stuff going on next door, because the walls are paper
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And all of a sudden, Peter Takahashi, the referee, comes up, he goes, oh, so-and-so,
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Fuji, whatever his name was, just beat up Kabuki, the booker.
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So this sumo wrestler, it was his first night, and apparently, the booker told this Japanese
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guy that he wanted him to put me over, but go in and shoot with me for 10 minutes, not
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work, and I'll take it easy, but really go in and shoot and try to take me down and try
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So I'm going out there, bro, you know, because that's, there is no choice.
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And there's a big guy there from Vancouver named John Tenta called Earthquake.
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He used to be a sumo wrestler, and him and I were really good friends.
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He goes, no, Terry, you're not going out there.
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And as soon as, we were watching through the curtain, as soon as Tenta went out there,
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And I was like, thank God I didn't go out there.
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Because I would have been ready for him to hook my eye right away.
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But this guy was just really pissed and didn't, you know, he came from a sport where it's a
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shoot, you know, and the ending went predetermined, and he did not want to hear any of putting
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You know, he thought he was going to wrestle me and beat the crap out of me, but John Tenta
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I was hiding behind him, like scared, like a mouse, you know.
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So I was driving crazy for the last three weeks I was with him.
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Actually, if I was like in Minnesota, for instance, and I would wrestle on a Friday night, if I
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He was like, I lived, you know, I was part of the one percenters.
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He's like, I lived on the seventh ring of Saturn.
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And he kept saying, I'm going to leave in just a minute.
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Um, so whenever, uh, when you look at a lot of guys have, you know, you're in, you seem
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really healthy, you know, do you feel healthier than, uh, I mean, a lot of guys in your line
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of work haven't had the, a lot of the same blessings of health.
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I mean, I know you've got a pretty bad spine, you know, um, what's bad on you?
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It's just, I abuse my body so bad, you know, um, in the last 10 or 12 years I've had like
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25 surgeries, you know, it's kind of weird because when I went to do Rocky three, when
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my mother was still alive, if you would come to my house, she'd go, yo T, come over here.
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First thing I want to do is measure you, you know?
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And that's what she did to me before I went to do the Rocky movie.
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Well then right before my mother died a few years back, she wanted to measure me and I
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was six, four and a half, you know, between the 10 back surgeries and the two knee replacements
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and the two hip replacements and the abdominal stuff and the shoulders and all the surgeries
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I've had, you know, and plus you get older, you shrink up a little bit.
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So yeah, I mean, other than, you know, like when I'm with Skye and we're walking, I lean
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I'm really just kind of like hanging on, you know, for the ride.
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Or if I'm not with her, I can pretty much walk on my own from here to that door.
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But if it gets too far than that, I get like a walking stick, which is embarrassing and hell
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Yeah, so I'm trying to adapt, but, you know, we're going in Monday, tomorrow morning for
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another monogram, you know, because I'm having some more issues with my back and they're going
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to see if the disc is pushing the spine above the hardware.
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And if it is, then they want to go from the middle of my back up to my neck.
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But if the disc isn't pushing on the spinal cord, then they said, we don't want to cut
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And there's because my left hip is like 25 or 26 years old.
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They think there might be a problem there, but we're going to find out.
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But it's all from that damn fake wrestling business.
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Like, did the theater of it change over the years?
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How did the theater of wrestling evolve over the years?
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When I first got in, if you kick somebody, leave lace prints on them.
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When you punch somebody, you know, we want to see black and blue marks.
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All these monsters, you know, that I was wrestling.
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And it's, you know, it was hard pushing them around.
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So it got to the point where, you know, these guys would beat the crap out of each other.
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And it was real territorial, you know, and they'd work four or five days a week.
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But then once this thing blew up and I cut a deal with Vince Jr.
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After I was fired and I came back, it was like every single night there were three towns a night running, you know.
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But it never was because people were really laying it in and really, really.
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I mean, would there be guys you had real kind of like, you know.
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And you're like, tonight when we get out there, you're going to get it.
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And, you know, I always had a little bit more of a target on my back because I was the guy.
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So if you go and you break Hulk Hogan's arm, guess what?
00:29:14.540
But then I'd also fly to South Africa and wrestle the heavyweight champion in South Africa.
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And I'd fly to, you know, different places and be by myself.
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You know, and Vince is going, don't you lose that belt, monster.
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Because you could get hooked real quick in there, you know, if you're not thinking.
00:29:33.880
And then when I come back to the States, I do this wrestling, you know.
00:29:39.080
But just about 1980, when I went to Minnesota, instead of digging and wrestling so much, I
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And then by the time I came back to New York to wrestle the chic, they didn't play any entrance
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I said, bro, I'm making a ton of money in the Twin Cities selling t-shirts and headbands
00:30:08.240
And on the way to the ring, don't, don't, don't, don't.
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The place explodes instead of just coming out with no music.
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So I cranked it in the garden that first night with the Iron Sheik.
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You know, Jimmy Hart, my manager, sat down and wrote most of the entrance music for everybody.
00:30:31.220
Well, he was in a, way before your time, actually before my time, thank God, Jimmy's
00:30:36.400
79 years old, but Jimmy was in a band called the Gentries and they had a hit song called
00:30:40.960
Keep On Dancing and they recorded at Sun Studios in Memphis where Elvis recorded.
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And he used one of those auto harps to record everything, you know, and not to record everything,
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And so, yeah, once Vince saw the music and, you know, got into the merchandising and
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changed the game because, you know, when I went up there to work for Vince Jr., I lived
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And so I was in the office every day, you know, for the first three or four years.
00:31:15.500
So you really got dialed into the business side of it.
00:31:18.260
A long time, long time ago before I went back there.
00:31:21.520
The three years in Minnesota were a great education for me because I was with a guy named
00:31:34.400
And plus, I just, I just, you know, took it like a duck to water, man.
00:31:39.820
I found a way to, you know, really, you know, progress and generate a ton of revenue.
00:31:50.320
And I didn't even know if I was going to wrestle him.
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All he goes tells me who's going to win or lose.
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I don't mean we don't need to talk about anything.
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Except one time with The Rock and we didn't do anything we talked about.
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So a lot of times you're out there, you're just kind of figuring out like you guys each
00:32:03.940
at a certain point, especially if the guy's good enough or seasoned enough, you know,
00:32:08.720
I could go out there with Randy Orton, not say a word.
00:32:11.040
Matter of fact, when I wrestled in the SummerSlam, we didn't even talk.
00:32:14.180
You know, Vince told us we wanted to win or lose and then I did it.
00:32:23.140
I mean, you have to, I have to lead the match, but I could do it with Cena because he's good
00:32:27.680
Um, Rock all day long, Stone Cold all day long.
00:32:42.520
Hey boss, is there anything you want to do that?
00:32:47.260
Well, uh, you know, how do you want to start the match?
00:32:53.960
You know, did a guy like Andre, like what kind of, like if you guys were cruising in
00:32:57.100
the car, like what did he have to sit in the back or did he have to like be under a tarp
00:33:02.780
Or how would you even get like, but how would you get something that big somewhere?
00:33:08.000
Um, well, we didn't travel together, you know, and yeah, cause the car wouldn't go.
00:33:13.740
Well, we, we, we drove for a lot of years, you know, like if I was wrestling, I was wrestling
00:33:17.960
in Atlanta tonight and I had to be in Minneapolis tomorrow night, I'd drive.
00:33:22.180
So if you guys drove, like if, if, if I, how could Andre be in a car?
00:33:27.840
He, he, they had a van that drove me in, but then we started flying.
00:33:32.520
Early eighties, we started flying a lot, so it made it easier.
00:33:35.020
But, um, if you can imagine there was never a chair he could sit in, he couldn't sit in
00:33:50.840
When he sat on a plane, his head would be sideways like this where the overhead is.
00:33:56.660
And every plane probably just goes to the Bahamas that he's on, you know?
00:34:00.520
But the hardest thing for me was, you know, the first eight or nine years, he didn't like
00:34:11.740
When I was younger, I thought I could beat anybody up and I thought I could beat him up.
00:34:16.680
Like when you were in person too, kind of like outside?
00:34:23.340
But when we got in the ring, he showed me how much he didn't like me.
00:34:26.600
You know, and then I made the mistake of bringing a flight attendant to the Capitol
00:34:35.700
And I put her right in the first row and I didn't tell Andre, I didn't tell anybody.
00:34:40.440
And then I kind of kept rolling out of the ring where she was, you know, and had Andre
00:34:44.300
And then when he chased me, I'd turn around to catch him real quick.
00:34:47.500
And then he heard her saying, come on, Terry, come on, Terry.
00:34:50.360
And he figured out she was with me and he about killed me.
00:35:10.860
With my balls and my ass hanging out and carried me around the ring in front of this
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He didn't want to be used as part of showing off.
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And I was trying to get over by showing him off.
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And he would beat my ass for that, you know.
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Was there a part where it started to like, where did it start to, because everything I
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noticed, like there's a part where it's fun, it's beginning, and then it becomes
00:35:49.260
It is hard to feel like that at a certain point.
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I mean, even if you're a hero to the world, it's still.
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You have to make a choice between eating, sleeping, or working out.
00:36:11.760
So, like if we wrestled in Madison Square Garden tonight, you know, and all of a sudden
00:36:20.740
Well, all of a sudden you get to LaGuardia, the plane's canceled.
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And it just, you spent all days in the, all day in the airport.
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And then when you land in St. Louis, you know, do you go to the hotel first and check
00:36:37.940
So, I'd always go straight to the gym and work out.
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And then usually I wouldn't have time to go to the hotel.
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And then I'd check in the room later at night, you know.
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Sometimes the flights would be on time and sometimes they wouldn't.
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But the traveling, I hated the traveling because it was, I was flying 300 days a year.
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Even with stand-up comedy, it's like we get to, sometimes you take the overnight flight
00:37:09.100
So, sometimes when I was living in California, we'd fly.
00:37:15.420
So, then they take you straight to radio, right?
00:37:18.100
So, then you're there for two hours and then you get back to your hotel.
00:37:23.340
So, you try to get a few hours of sleep and then you get up and want to live.
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It's just, the traveling burns people out, man.
00:37:29.180
Yeah, and you get off stage last, the food call's already been done.
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I remember I used to tease John Belushi, you know, because we'd jump on a blower Friday
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But I'd jump on the Pan Am, you know, to go to L.A.
00:37:51.840
I said, all right, brother, I'll see you Monday.
00:37:53.280
You know, because he was on the flight back Monday morning, I'd be on.
00:37:56.320
And he'd see me and he goes, oh, man, this is beefy, this is traveling.
00:37:59.380
Well, I said, since you got here Friday night, bro, I've already been back to New York and
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I had to fly back to wrestle at the Capitol Center.
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So, since you've been here wrestling for 48 hours, I made the trip there and back again.
00:38:13.000
You know, because you're out of your mind, I said, well, so there was a lot of, but that's
00:38:20.120
The only thing that I really dug was, you know, being in the ring because when I was in
00:38:27.340
the ring, you know, I was real present, you know, I didn't think about anything else, you
00:38:33.520
know, ex-wives, ex-girlfriends, kids, business problems, money problems, three or four guys
00:38:41.560
You know, when I was in the ring, I was completely in the moment, you know, and when I, the one,
00:38:46.800
the one thing that really worked for me was once I clicked, I was not Terry Bollea.
00:38:52.420
When I went to that ring, I was Hulk Hogan, brother.
00:38:56.060
I mean, I believed when I was in there, I wasn't afraid of anybody or anything.
00:39:02.080
And I just, that was my attitude, you know, because if I didn't believe it, you're not
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going to get them to believe it that they're watching.
00:39:11.820
I lived through that thing and it got me through a lot of craziness.
00:39:22.480
I always wondered, like, to your kids, like, to be, because you're everybody's hero.
00:39:28.340
Like, you were like, you know, you were a hero to so many people, right?
00:39:32.560
I wonder if it's tough for a child to be like, oh, how do I make my dad seem like my hero?
00:39:40.040
You know, like, how do I make my dad seem like my hero if he's everybody else's hero?
00:39:49.980
You know, the kids were real aware of who I was.
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But, you know, the moment I would come home, bro, that Hulk Hogan thing was dropped.
00:40:01.260
I didn't have any pictures in my house of me, no wrestling crap in the house at all.
00:40:07.600
Some guys have belts hanging and pictures of themselves and stuff.
00:40:11.680
Would you ever be like, go to your room and don't come out to the bell rings or something?
00:40:20.080
But the thing was, you know, I was, I dropped that Hulk Hogan persona.
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And the moment I'd walk in the house, I'd take the bandana off the bald head.
00:40:29.600
And I was, you know, I could switch gears pretty easy because I just didn't live that character.
00:40:36.360
And like, Bret Hart thinks he's the greatest wrestler ever and all this crazy crap that these guys think.
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There had to be a degree of separation with me because you'll end up killing yourself.
00:41:08.320
So you were able to do that pretty, pretty, it came naturally for you.
00:41:11.920
I'm really good at stopping things or starting things.
00:41:14.940
And she's been around me a little while now, but.
00:41:30.340
But with that baby, I got me a whole new family, too.
00:41:37.020
I look at her and I forget what I was talking about.
00:41:53.720
And I quit doing funerals and weddings because I walked in on so many hotel rooms where the
00:42:04.480
I mean, if you, I don't know the numbers now, but you could probably Google it.
00:42:08.700
But, you know, with baseball, let's say over the last 20 years, what do you got?
00:42:23.280
You know, I got a retail store right down on Clearwater Beach.
00:42:26.460
And, you know, we sell pictures and posters and, okay, there's six guys in the picture.
00:42:36.260
You know, especially because my mom and dad are dead and my brother's dead.
00:42:40.560
So, it's kind of like the mortality thing can get to you after a while.
00:42:43.300
So, when you ask how my health is, I'm cool, you know, with all the back surgery.
00:42:48.340
I mean, you can have one back surgery and end up in a wheelchair.
00:42:52.320
And so, I'm very blessed, very lucky, bro, you know, and just, like I said, I'm either
00:43:01.440
If we're going to party, bro, we're going to party.
00:43:03.600
If I'm going to go straight, I'm going to go straight, you know?
00:43:12.300
But I didn't take Tylenols, Advil, or leave for months now.
00:43:25.560
Well, Flair, I mean, yeah, Flair definitely, I mean.
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He can say whatever he wants about me, but I put his ass to bed every time.
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You'll be drinking at the bar, drinking at the bar, and you'll think he's going to the
00:44:24.660
And there's usually this huge tab that he leaves.
00:44:35.980
In between back surgery number four or five or six, whatever it was, I booked this Hulkamania
00:44:44.620
The first time I've ever booked a tour on my own overseas, right?
00:44:49.080
So I hire Flair and I hire a bunch of wrestlers to come with me.
00:45:03.580
And so I paid him up front and all of a sudden we're getting ready to go to Australia.
00:45:18.600
And so my back amount, I had to have another back surgery right before I left.
00:45:23.480
And I had stitches on my back when I went over there.
00:45:25.900
You know, still, that's how crazy I used to be.
00:45:30.740
You need to lay in bed about six months after your back surgery.
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And the greatest thing was the first night in Sydney, Australia, Britney Spears got mad
00:45:44.880
So nobody came to her tours, right, the rest of the tours.
00:45:47.780
So we bounced around and picked everybody up, you know.
00:45:53.860
And every night he'd come to me, he goes, hey, I need another five grand tonight.
00:46:09.660
You know, you need to pay me another five grand.
00:46:19.000
He's keeping everybody in the bar to party with him all night, you know.
00:46:22.260
And he wasn't going to bed at nine o'clock back then.
00:46:26.380
He said there's been times in his life where he didn't, he couldn't, absolutely couldn't
00:46:39.120
Yeah, he just, it was interesting when even talking to him, he just is who he, it seems
00:46:43.780
like there's not a lot of getting, he's just the nature boy.
00:46:49.660
It's very admirable and it's interesting, you know.
00:46:54.060
He likes to have a good time and he will find it no matter what.
00:46:59.740
I don't think I could be Hulk Hogan 24 hours a day.
00:47:08.500
Being a hero to so many people and how it is, yeah, to be able to be then, to then be
00:47:18.860
What about if you could, when you look back on kind of your career, because you've had a
00:47:22.680
lot of different angles, you've had wrestling, you've had entertainment, right?
00:47:27.780
You've had movies, we went and I remember seeing, what was the one with you against
00:47:36.100
That was fucking crazy when you did that, dude.
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And we went and see you had the thing and we're like, what is going on here?
00:47:51.160
Yeah, do you start to get like, why didn't you, why have you had better luck than some
00:48:07.280
I think, honestly, if we stayed up for three, four nights in a row partying, I would still
00:48:21.300
I was actually doing that, you know, praying that I wouldn't die.
00:48:30.300
You know, maybe a couple more, but a couple more than a couple.
00:48:35.500
I mean, look, when they came out with Somas, dude, I'm I drove a car into an invisible
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That was one of the drugs of choice for the wrestlers.
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It was very dangerous for them because it was shut.
00:48:49.080
He choked on some chicken that he didn't even know he was eating.
00:48:51.480
And yeah, but he took some of those muscle relax.
00:49:00.920
I don't know if you ever saw that, but that's a little scary.
00:49:05.840
It's just like somebody beating it and they can't stop or they'll be walking and they freeze
00:49:10.060
and they I mean, I've seen it happen so many times when you're eating 10, 20 of
00:49:13.940
a time, you know, but people were taking that much pain pills to feel OK, huh?
00:49:21.120
And, you know, for me, I would always I never went down that road.
00:49:26.420
You know, if you're supposed to take one or two, that would be it.
00:49:34.680
No, I've been, you know, when it came to weed or this and that and the other, I could
00:49:37.980
quit and not do it for three, four or five years.
00:49:42.820
But, you know, I just think because I was real consistent with the training and actually
00:49:47.500
trying to eat good in between all the craziness of the drinking and raising hell,
00:49:51.800
I kind of like stayed on track where I would see these guys defect for weeks and not go
00:49:58.440
to the gym and just drink constantly and just not eat, not sleep.
00:50:05.480
I still had to be the main event where they get beyond the match underneath me to be
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You know, I didn't want anybody stealing my spot because they were all trying, you know,
00:50:20.080
Yeah, I guess it's strange because your teammates, but at the same time, they're low key trying
00:50:30.960
And how much do you have to make sure the promoter and the owners that you stay in their
00:50:36.760
good graces so that you also stay the lead dog?
00:50:43.800
Um, I just get myself in a position that the character became so powerful, even if I
00:50:51.760
really did piss somebody off, they still had to use me.
00:50:54.660
You know, because if I went somewhere else, I put them out of business, you know, so the
00:51:01.820
The whole red and yellow, bro, through the 80s and all through the 90s.
00:51:05.600
And then when I went back, you know, that last time when I wrestled The Rock and a couple
00:51:10.120
other people, I was still red hot, man, you know?
00:51:14.340
It said it said, fuck Ronald McDonald and that of him with red and yellow.
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There was there was real a real iffy thing when I came back to the WWE the last time because
00:51:32.120
I'd spent 10 years trying to put him out of business, you know, with Ted
00:51:35.440
Turner and we were beating the crap out of him for a long time.
00:51:39.020
And then there were a bunch of business decisions and American Online and Turner Broadcasting
00:51:43.180
merged and they didn't want wrestling as part of their portfolio.
00:51:47.100
They wanted Turner Classics, new movies of the week and new programming.
00:51:52.160
And they took my boss, Ted Turner, and kicked him to the curb.
00:51:55.580
He had some off his way in the back of the building where I couldn't even find him
00:51:59.560
And they just didn't want wrestling, even though on TBS and TNT, we had three to one ratings
00:52:06.520
And so when all that started to decline and demise, you know, I get a call from Vince,
00:52:12.860
you know, and he says, hey, man, I want you to come back and, you know, put the red and
00:52:19.880
I said, well, I don't want to come back as a good guy.
00:52:21.740
I'm going to come back as Hollywood Hogan, you know, because if I'm going to do it right,
00:52:33.880
And I mean, I remember when Rock was like seven or eight years old, I threw my headband and
00:52:36.840
he caught it in the crowd at the garden, you know?
00:52:38.740
So I had a long history with the family and all the Samoan brothers.
00:52:43.800
Yeah, I was there when the Rock came back, dude.
00:52:49.160
So yeah, so when I wrestled him, you know, I did everything I could to get heat, you know?
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Hit him in the back of the head with a hammer.
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I put him in an ambulance, chained the ambulance.
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I mean, I did everything I could to make people hate me.
00:53:01.820
Then when I went out at WrestleMania 18, they cheered me out of the building.
00:53:04.520
Whenever the Rock would punch me, they'd boo him.
00:53:08.060
You know, so I said, all that stuff we talked about, we ain't doing it.
00:53:18.980
You know, I've had times where I wasn't seeing the world as comfortably as I should be, you know?
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So I guess in the end, the crowd is the real determinant of whatever script they're writing, if it's going to play or not.
00:58:15.600
Yeah, because, you know, like I said, we'd never, um, I had never talked to anybody about having a match before.
00:58:27.460
You know, if you're going to come back here, you've got to really bring it.
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I didn't say anything, but in my mind, I'm saying, if I bring my shit, you're going to ask me to take it back.
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And then all of a sudden, I get a call from Vince.
00:58:41.040
You know, we'd really feel comfortable if you'd go down to Miami and rehearse the match.
00:58:46.040
I said, Vince, I've never rehearsed a match in my life.
00:58:49.380
I don't know what I'm going to do until I listen to the people.
00:58:58.680
So I go down there and Rocky Johnson's there, his dad.
00:59:04.520
And it's hot as a bitch in this warehouse they had, middle of summer.
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And this other guy named Pat Patterson, who knows a lot about wrestling and kind of helped me when I first started.
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So I get in the ring with Rock and he kind of told me what he wanted to do, you know,
00:59:17.320
and kind of walked me through what he wanted to do.
00:59:19.160
And I was thinking, man, you know, what if the crowd doesn't like what we're doing?
00:59:26.120
You know, so out of respect, I listened to him, you know, because, you know, of his dad and him and the family.
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And then Pat Patterson goes, okay, let's go through the match.
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So if I fall down here, I'm going to get hurt.
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You know, I mean, I'm a one-time around-the-block guy.
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And Dwayne's father, I mean, Rock's father's going, Dwayne, listen to Hogan.
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And, you know, everybody thinks I'm going to get booed out of the building and they're going to cheer him
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because he's been the number one baby-faced guy there forever.
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So we're in the dressing room and Rock starts going over.
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What we kind of planned, I'm listening and listening.
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I said, okay, brother, if it's there, we'll do it.
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So we get out there, bro, and it was booing him, cheering me.
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So we kind of flipped things around in the ring and he was so good in the ring, bro.
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He's like that second generation, third generation wrestler instinct, man.
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But it took me about 10 minutes to get things turned around to where they were pissed at me
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and halfway pissed at me and, you know, halfway for each of us.
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I've never experienced anything like that with a crowd.
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That was a lot of quit thinking on our feet out there.
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I want to go out there and see what these people want.
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I thought you could hear me through my television, you know?
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That what you're talking about, that main event, that night at WrestleMania, we had 33 million
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Oh, I can't imagine how many younger siblings are in wheelchairs because of you guys.
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I remember once wrestling came on, I knew to put on my knee and elbow pads because I
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was a young because I was a younger brother, dude, and we were going to get it, brother.
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Like, was it tough on your family with I'm sure with the dad being gone, it's got to be
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You know, looking back, was there ways you think that you could manage it better?
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Or like Flair said, the career just takes so much time.
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I had kind of a, and this just sounds terrible to say, but I have to say it.
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I kind of like got myself in a position where like, if I took time off for a movie, Vince
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would go, my God, I can't write your name down.
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Because, you know, Vince had a book, old school book, and he put Hogan versus Kamala or Hogan
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There's the A town I was on, the B town the Warriors on, and C town would be like a tag
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Greg Valentine and Brutus, and everybody wanted to be on the A town, you know, because if
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you're in the first match in my town, you make like two, three, $5,000.
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And if you're in the C town, you know, the first match, you make $250 or $350.
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You know, so Vince would go, oh man, you know, it's just so hard to book when you take time
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I did 16 or 17, 12 budget kids movies, you know, and TV series and all kind of weird stuff.
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But, you know, so I put most of my time in, and the luxury that I was afforded was the
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Just put my name down and say Hulkamania is coming to Washington, D.C.
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And the character was so powerful as far as the drawing power that once my daughter, Brooke,
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was about two, not about three years old, and she started noticing I was gone, I started
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So you're using your time to the best you could.
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So if I was in Madison Square Garden one night and I had Tuesday off, I'd fly home.
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And then Wednesday, if it had to be in Mexico City, I'd fly to Mexico, you know, and it
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got to the point where I had to buy my own plane, you know, to get this done.
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And, you know, so when my kids got up, and Nick was two years behind, so by the time Brooke
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was four or five and Nick was two or three, I started to slow down.
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So I spent a lot of time at home, you know, the last 15 or 20 years of my career.
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I still had some crazy deals going on where I still generated a lot of revenue.
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And did you have full ownership of your own, of your own character?
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How did that work out with, because it's, you create it within the WWF.
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So was there partnerships in it and stuff like that?
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And if it's uncomfortable, I don't want you to.
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It's just, it's just really a little twist here.
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I'm one of the few guys that own their name and the rights and the trademarks and licenses.
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So when I first, the name I was wrestling, I had several names.
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Super Destroyer, Terry Boulder, Sterling Golden, Terry the Hulk Boulder, different colors.
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Sterling Golden sounds, no offense, I know it's you, but I don't love that one.
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Well, that was a guy named Jim Barnett, who's a very nice man.
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A little light in the loafers, but he's a good guy.
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But anyway, so anyway, I went through all these different things.
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And finally, when I quit and I was working on the docs, I'll never wrestle again.
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I'm, you know, five or six times I've quit.
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I get a call from Vince McMahon and a couple of local wrestlers, Jack and Jerry Briscoe,
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Jack was an NCAA champion, world heavyweight champion.
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They said, you know, Vince McMahon, this is perfect for you.
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I said, okay, well, I'll go up there, but I'm not taking my wrestling stuff with me.
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I'm like, what kind of a horse's ass is that?
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So I fly up there, and they had just got rid of superstar Billy Graham because he'd kind
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I was working on the docs, running game on the docs, arm wrestling everybody and stuff.
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So I had to cut through the crowd for about 20 or 30 feet, and the whole building started
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And Vince McMahon Sr. goes, don't you ever wear that tie-dye in here again.
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I guess he just had a blowout with Billy Graham.
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So anyway, I met with him, and he talked about what they wanted to pay me, you know,
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because I just get tired of getting screwed over.
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And they talked about getting me a place to live and having a guy travel with me, which
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They hooked me up with one of the biggest con men ever.
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Okay, well, his partner, Tony Altamore, they were the Sicilians tag team champions.
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Okay, well, Tony was the biggest con he ever met.
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How to slip and fall in a grocery store and walk out with two, three grand, how to do
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So it just, it was horrible to put me with him, but it smartened me up to what the world's all
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So anyway, as I'm talking, he goes, you know what?
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He goes, well, I got Ivan Putsky for the Polish Americans, Bruno Sammartino for the Italian
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Americans, Chief J. Strongbow for the Native American Indian Americans, and I want you to
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And, you know, and they put me with Fred Blassie, and I told Fred, I said, brother,
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If I put this red dye in my hair, the party's over.
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So Dye goes down the toilet, oh my God, he's going to fire you.
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Not trying to tell you what to do, but it could have been neat.
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And right when this Hulk Hogan thing takes off, we get a call from Marvel Comics.
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Didn't license the name, but they only had, I only had to pay them one tenth of one percent.
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So out of a dollar, if I got a penny, I only had to pay them one tenth of a penny.
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I said, I don't give a damn what deal you make.
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You're going to make that deal because I need the name.
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So what happened was we went in and I got a one-year extension.
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Movies, TV, wrestling, they got 30% of everything.
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But if they decided to sell the name, they had to give me first shot at it.
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They couldn't, you know, sell the name or do anything, you know.
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So all of a sudden, Marvel Comics gets in a bitch fest with the WWE about intellectual properties that they can't re-air old Hulk Hogan matches, which Vince was re-airing all that stuff.
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And they said, no, instead of paying you $35 million, how about if we give you the Hulk Hogan name?
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Because now I don't have to pay $35 million for the name.
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You have to sell it to me at a fair market value, which is only like $750,000.
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That must have been a cool moment because then it's almost like you own yourself.
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So I bought the name back and I just own everything.
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How many guys, you know, that have that can say that?
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Like people sometimes will try to get me involved with different types of things.
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You know, have there been interesting products or something you got involved or things that
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I lost money in pyramid schemes when I was younger.
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But that was just like somebody tried to do like a somebody sold us like glitter mining
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or something like some guy came in our town and said they were selling like some shares
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But have you ever had crazy products over the years?
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Well, I mean, we've I mean, you've had a lot of very successful stuff, but it's ever
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Like we're going to make Hulk Hogan like Ferris wheels or something.
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And you're like, well, I mean, I think I've had like 70 or 80 action figures made.
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Well, the one they made that kind of got a little wonky and got a little weird was they
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made a Hulk Hogan vibrating action figure, which got real funky, you know, and brother.
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Because you guys seem like you have a nice rapport.
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We used to love to drink, but that's over for now.
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The only reason I leave the beach is to make money.
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I just live right up the street, maybe two blocks.
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I know I heard crazy stories that John Daly used to live in a Hooters here.
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I always heard that he used to live inside of a Hooters somewhere, and that always blew
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There's some great stories about him and John Gruden.
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Yeah, and there's an apartment series of the penthouse over there.
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I mean, I've got him back home a couple times when he's been out running around, so to make
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If you said you quit drinking, I haven't drank for, let me see, 14 months.
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I'm 14 months sober, so I don't do drugs or alcohol.
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I had been with my girl Sky for a while, and everything that I've ever had happen in my
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life, both of my two marriages, everything that's ever bad happened to me has had to do
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And during those marriages, there was a lot of alcohol use at times, which caused major
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And so, for me, it was really easy to eat a couple of Percocets and drink a couple of
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shots of tequila and a couple of 8% white cloths.
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And, but then, you know, when I got with Sky, I started getting an edge, right?
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You know, if things weren't said correctly or I didn't like the way things sounded, I
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would pick, you know, and I'd kind of like dig and start shit.
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And all of a sudden, I started losing something I didn't want to lose again.
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That it made just communication a little bit hectic at times.
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Well, it made me not go off like a hot pocket whenever I didn't hear something I didn't
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like, you know, because I was, I could be very, when I drink, I could be a prick.
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You know, and real quick on the trigger finger, especially the men.
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And men have probably tried you a lot over the years, huh?
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You know, I'm tired of getting sued all the time, you know?
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Is there other stuff that you want to do with your life?
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Or do you, when you look back on your life, like, and you still have, I mean, you could still
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probably live for another 25 years, you know, but, or maybe 30.
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Maybe I don't know what your plan is, but, um, do you feel like, did you ever, was it
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like you were always looking for like a sense of accomplishment or what do you think like
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was like your driving force a lot of the times?
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Probably the thing that really pushed me more than anything was, you know, I didn't want
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to do the woe is me story, but I grew up and I didn't know we were, I don't even want
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I grew up not knowing that we didn't have money.
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My dad worked construction and I had one bicycle that got stolen.
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I still had this little pink truck that I had and I had a big yellow Tonka trunk, truck.
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And I played with that in the dirt all day because my dad was a construction worker.
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And so I kind of grew up, you know, and then when I got older, I realized, you know, once
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a month on a Friday, we had one of those little minute stakes, you know, and I just kind of
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grew up and I started realizing, you know, looking around that, okay, you know, I guess
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they did the best they could, but I don't want to live like this when I grow up.
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So I had this crazy thing I didn't even know it was an affirmation.
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I started telling myself money comes quick and easy to me.
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And I just kept, would always say that in my head and I said, I'm not going to die the
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poor Tampa death because in Tampa, there's a road called Gandy Boulevard.
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And if you're South of Gandy, you're a SOG, South of Gandy.
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And I grew up South of Gandy and everybody from South of Gandy either becomes a professional
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athlete or a drug dealer or you die or you work construction your whole life.
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So you wanted to get Nog, you wanted to get on the other side.
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I didn't want to work construction because I tried construction as a bitch.
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So I said, I'm going to fight my way out of this town, you know, plus I played music
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because I would do anything to avoid working a real job.
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So I played music for 10 years and did real well at that.
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But then it got to the point where I was playing the same clubs and just, am I going to
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You know, and so I just switched gears and went after the wrestling thing, you know,
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and it took me a while to adapt to it, you know.
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But I was pretty aggressive when I was a kid, you know, and I just kept pushing.
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You know, I made the big mistake of telling everybody in this town I was going to be a
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Hey, by the way, that brother does keep this art form alive.
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Every time I see him, I tell him how much I love him.
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But because he understands his business a lot more than most of the guys.
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There's probably two or three guys that I can pick out that understand that business.
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I remember him telling us before he was a wrestler, he's like, I'm going to be a wrestler.
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And there was an old track, Blues Image, called Ride Captain Ride, an old song.
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I just walked over to the other studio and laid the scratch bass line down for Mike Panarin,
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But then I went back over to the studio and we had a chance to go on a national tour with
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And I just came off tour with this lady named Jeannie Conroy.
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And we came back to the studio and everybody was screwing around.
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One guy was getting married and one guy's girlfriend was having a baby.
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And so we can leave in two weeks and go on the road with these guys.
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And Mother's Finest, I don't know if you know who they are, that song CM Punk comes out
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to, called Personality, that band Mother's Finest.
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I said, bro, this is our chance because our shit's straight right now.
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I've been doing this for 10 years with a couple of you guys.
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I'm going to go be the greatest wrestler that ever lived.
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And all five of these guys fell on the ground laughing.
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I just said it because I was mad at them because they wouldn't run the road.
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And then I said, okay, damn it, I'm going to go be a wrestler.
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You know, it was just the whole thing was crazy.
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But I had a couple of altercations with wrestlers in bars and had met a few of them.
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So I wasn't scared to death of them like I was.
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Because back in the 70s, you know, they all had cauliflower ears and teeth knocked down the noses.
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Because back in the day when Eddie Graham here had the promotion, if you said wrestling was fake, they'd punch you right in the mouth.
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I mean, there was no lawsuits, no lawyers or nothing like that.
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But then I kind of got used to seeing them come in the bar because we had a really hot local band at the time.
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And then I kind of would watch them and I wasn't so afraid of them, you know, as I used to be.
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Was your, so your father did construction, did, were you at one time able to like say, hey, dad, you don't have to work anymore?
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Yeah, well, the son, the son burned him up, bro, because he worked outside here in this Florida heat.
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He started out in the Panama Canal was where he met my mother.
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Yeah, so I don't have to really go in the sun too often.
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I have to be careful how I say that word, but also I don't have to go in the sun all the time.
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Yeah, if you go out there for 10 minutes, you turn purple.
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Yeah, so, you know, it's kind of like, what was the question?
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It got to a point where my family was kind of like not the most feely, touchy, loving family, you know?
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You know, I had a couple brothers, one half-brother, and then another middle brother that didn't do too well in life, you know, and he got killed.
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He was riding with a bunch of motorcycle clubs and stuff and didn't do too well.
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But, you know, my dad and mom, I don't ever, ever remember my dad, you know, really being affectionate until later on in life, you know, when I started doing good.
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And I quit college after four years, which I should have had a degree, but I quit, go play music again.
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Yeah, and then when I told him I was going to be a wrestler, that really upset him, you know?
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And then later on, I brought him up to Madison.
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Actually, the night I beat the Sheik, I brought my mom and dad up to Madison Square Garden to see that.
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And my dad had just retired, so I just, from that point on, I just paid for everything.
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And then when my brother got killed, I was real young at the time, and I got three kids, you know, that were his.
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My brother was riding with a club, and he'd done a couple years in Rayford here.
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And then when he got out, he'd get in trouble again, and he moved to Houston, changed the name, and then he was riding with the, I don't even want to say the club, but the Oakland chapter in California.
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But while he was riding in Oakland, his wife was running a hotel, managing a hotel, and she was dating this mafia guy.
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And she was on the dance floor after work, just dancing with the customer.
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He came in and shot her in the chest twice, killed her.
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So then shortly after that, my brother had a little problem with one of the clubs, and they killed him.
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But, so I ended up with three kids, you know, kind of like having to support him.
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And so, I was running so hard, I had to let my parents help, and then the other side of the family helped.
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But I was the guy, you know, and taking care of the kids and my parents.
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Well, so you had a lot of responsibility then suddenly to really to be the guy who's helping keep things going.
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Basically, I couldn't quit wrestling anymore, okay?
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Did y'all go to church and stuff growing up, or was there any faith in y'all's home?
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I went to Ballast Point Elementary School over in South Tampa.
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I went to Ballast Point Baptist Church with my mom once.
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And then one of my buddies was there that I went to elementary school with, and I started going with his family every Sunday.
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Yeah, and so I didn't get it because I was so young.
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But then later on, I was like 13 or 14 years old.
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A buddy of mine who I played football with in junior high school, he had a little Christian youth group.
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So, I went up there with this guy named Hank Lindstrom, and I started playing guitar.
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And then that's when I started listening to scripture.
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And then when I heard the John 3, 16, God's love of the Lord, he gave only the Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
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And I accepted Christ as my Savior when I was 14.
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And went back and forth to church every once in a while.
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And my first wife was a Catholic, and that really wasn't my thing.
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You know, my kids went to a Catholic school and went to a Catholic church.
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I just, I didn't feel, it didn't resonate with me.
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And then my second wife was spiritual, but she wasn't a believer, so that didn't work for me.
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And it's a Christian, Indian Rocks Christian church.
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Actually, I took a buddy of mine with me today, a guy named Mel Chancey.
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He was the president of Hell's Angels chapter from Chicago.
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Sorry, Ventura just told me that so many times.
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Yeah, for Rico and for a couple attempted murders.
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And then he came out, and he found the Lord, and we reconnected.
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So, I took, and he's got his own little ministry thing on the internet, he does.
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Well, what's interesting, because a lot of you, a lot of wrestlers, some of them were
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They were, you know, it was like, it's where you got your message of hope, you know?
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I think that's a lot of what faith is for people.
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You know, it's like, where do I get a message for hope, you know?
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And yeah, sometimes just hearing like, yeah, somebody like, you can do it, you know, like
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take your vitamins, say your prayer, you know, like, or just anything that inspires, like,
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where do you find your hope as you go along through life, you know?
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And a lot of times for when we were kids, it was, I mean, wrestling is really what hit
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It was probably my most favorite sport until I started watching UFC.
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There was, there was an opportunity to buy it a long time ago and Vince and I passed on
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it, you know, it was before the referees stopped things and they were kicking people
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in there on the ground and it just was so violent when it was brought to us.
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Like, but yeah, no, it's, uh, it's an entertaining sport.
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So many guys, you know, that I know, you know, finally start believing more in the unseen than
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the seen and they, and they kind of like figure this life out, you know?
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Hopefully not too late, but, uh, it's pretty amazing once you kind of figure it out.
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I think, you know, I think a lot of people are looking for that these days, you know,
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I wonder like societally, have we taken, like, I wonder if our society will look back
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and be like, what a weird detour we took, like thinking that we could find happiness
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A lot of people will just, in this human incarnation, bro, they're just all about materialistic
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And, uh, as soon as they have a lich with their health or something, they change their
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You'll start drawing pictures of the Lord immediately.
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I get a couple, I get one bad blood test, dude, and I'm on, you know, I'm on bible.org
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You and your lady, do you have a vacation plan for the summer?
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Last year on our birthday, we were going to go to Miami, but I was sick as a dog or something.
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But, you know, we've got, uh, we're planning some stuff now.
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I mean, no disrespect to Vo and Darren Prince and stuff, but they can, they can tell you,
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you know, or anybody that, you know, they call me for stuff all the time.
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And I think in the last couple of years, I've made just like one appearance, you know, maybe,
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maybe one, but, you know, I did one this year already, but they, for years and years, they'd
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call me to do stuff and, you know, don't just wasn't interested.
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Cause this, I'm, I'm like a beach bum, you know, I'm not really into it for you, you
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So, I mean, it's kind of like, I've turned down a bunch of movies, whole bunch of movies,
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whole bunch of TV, I mean, you know, I get calls all the time.
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Cause, you know, with the content I have now, with the bar and the restaurant, the retail
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store here and the retail store in Atlanta, and my son's back here and my daughter's here
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and my new baby here has got three kids and there's, there's all kind of content, bro.
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And everybody's banging me all the time to do reality shows and stuff.
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And even with appearances and autograph sessions, you know, I mean, I use Vogue and Prince marketing,
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you know, when I do do stuff and, you know, sometimes the WWE will call me to do stuff
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and I'll just kind of, I still work for them, you know, and, you know, I'll kind of pass
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on that and, or I'll do it, you know, it just depends on what the weather's like, you
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We hope you're enjoying your Air Canada flight.
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Fast free Wi-Fi means I can make dinner reservations before we land.
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But no, no, I got in business with Tyson and all these guys to,
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you know, for this whole wellness thing that we're moving forward on.
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Yeah, and this is some of the packaging and stuff, man.
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Yeah, we're going for the whole wellness aspect of it because after.
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What if every time I hit it, it made it so that's how I talk, bro?
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Yeah, because the ones they have are so generic.
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I've vaped on and off for about a year and a half, so.
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I've been at the bottom of one of these bitches, boy.
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Yeah, this thing will fucking make you drive all night.
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Yeah, well, we got CBD for energy and for sleep, and we're also going down the THC road.
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Because there's so many people that got hooked on prescription pain pills and prescription drugs
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and different drugs to sleep, you know, halcyons and Xanax that, you know, it seems like,
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you know, going down that road with the THC is an option for people.
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And so, you know, I partnered with, and, you know, and what I didn't understand at the time
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is to sell the THC, you know, you have to partner with somebody from the same state.
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So we're starting, yeah, I didn't know that, you know.
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So if you're in Michigan, you got to partner with a grower in Michigan.
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So in Florida, we partnered with Sunburn, and they've got 150 dispensaries around the state,
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So I'm really excited because, you know, it's kind of like a, it's a gradual transition.
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It's a way to back out slowly from, you know, stuff that can be really addictive,
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such as the perks, the pain pills, and whatever else, you know, people, you know,
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numb themselves with the alcohol and everything else.
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So I just think it's a more realistic way to wind down and get healthier.
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And will you be, like, featured on their products?
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And then we're going to, with the Delta 8 and a couple things,
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we came up with a kind of cool little thing, kind of like an inside joke that,
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you know, when I was the bad guy, Hollywood Hogan, we were always riding dirty, you know.
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We always had beer in the car, we were partying in the car, I mean,
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So when you go with Hollywood Hogan, you know, and you're going to go ride dirty,
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we're going to have something called the mustache rides.
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So ride dirty, get a mustache ride with Hollywood.
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Some of them, I'm really, I'm pretty uncoordinated.
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Yeah, so it should be interesting to see, you know, how my brand performs in that arena.
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Well, I'm sure, look, in anything you've gotten into, you've performed well,
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You know, it's a logical extension of where I'm going and where I've already been,
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so just the whole thing makes sense at this point.
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You know, everybody's kind of aware on how much this will help, you know, certain individuals.
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I might actually be staying until Tuesday, so if I do.
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I said that, man, son, who's doing it, brother?
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Well, it's either really good or it's really bad.
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There's no in-between, so yeah, but if you're around, please come over, man.
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Yeah, maybe I will because I think I'm going to stay.
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But I wanted to come to the beach tomorrow, so maybe I would make that work,
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Who is somebody that you miss wrestling or just spending time with?
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Well, I mean, across the street, there used to be right where my restaurant's at
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across the street, that plaza right next door to it,
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there used to be a gym upstairs, and the Bushwhackers had a gym up there.
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So for a long time, the wrestlers would come there,
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and then right down the street, there was a world's gym.
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there would be like 30 or 40 wrestlers in there.
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You know, I'd bring them here to hang out for a couple days.
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And then the whole wrestling was based out of here for a long time.
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It was like crazy to go to Tampa Airport and where you see 20 or 30 guys
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But my guys that were here all the time that I really miss was Randy,
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And it's kind of like I miss him a lot, you know.
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And so I spent years and years and years with him,
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And the other brother that I miss was one of the road warriors, Hawk.
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And so Hawk was a Minnesota boy, and when I was in Minnesota, you know,
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I used to train at a gym with Brad Riggins, the head Olympic coach.
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And Brock Lesnar used to come down and work out with us back in the day.
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And another guy named Kevin Kelly, who was a real tough kid, man.
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And so I would tell those guys, I'd tell Lesnar, I'd tell Kevin Kelly, look, bro, I'm the main event guy.
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Brad Riggins, the Olympic coach, he's in the preliminary matches.
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You know, but I used to watch Brad torture him, you know, it was great.
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Yeah, so Hawk was up there in Minnesota, and when I was training up there,
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he was just some high school kid in the gym, him and animal.
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You know, they'd watch us like Hawks and watch us like Hawks.
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The next thing I knew, I'd come back like two years later and go to that gym, and they're jacked up.
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And they went down to Atlanta and broke in, and they had a good gimmick.
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The road warrior thing worked, but Hawk moved down here.
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I said, look, I'm going to introduce you to her, then I'm out.
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And so no matter what happens, we're cool because I got nothing to do with it from this point on.
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And I miss seeing him a lot, you know, because I hung out with him a lot.
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And she's still around the neighborhood somewhere.
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And then another one of the guys that I traveled with for 40 years on the road, Brutus Beefcake.
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Somebody said he went to, he didn't really go to Redken or something, or was it?
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And we had a little bit of a falling out, and so we don't even talk anymore, you know.
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I mean, we don't, there's no, nothing to talk about.
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Um, it's got a lot to do with the lady he's married to, you know.
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What was the, you know, what was, uh, yeah, this is one thing, the last thing I was about.
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Because I used steroids when I was in high school.
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Somebody made us, I think made us some 700 one time.
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Like we'd, there'd be like soap in it a little bit too, but we were using it, you know, was
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Was it pretty just a normal thing that people were using?
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I mean, you know, it's like, uh, I think it was 1990.
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You'd go to the doctor, get a prescription for it.
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You know, that was another thing the guys had a problem with.
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I think they stress their system, their heart's out.
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I don't know if anybody ever really died from just steroids, but if you had the steroids
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or the somas and the perks and the alcohol and the Coke, okay, you're going to create
01:39:23.460
So for me, you know, up until the nineties, I was always street legal.
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I mean, if I had a bottle of Deca or a bottle of test on me, it was a prescription from the
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I had my blood checked, my levels checked, everything.
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So you were trying to use it as safely as possible.
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Yeah, because when you turn 30, that's the peak of your biological clock.
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You know, so I don't know how old you are.
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So there's a bunch of good HRT doctors around hormone replacement doctors that can hook
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And before then, everybody I knew, because I knew a lot of baseball players, I knew a
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whole lot of football players, I knew a lot of hockey players, all professional guys,
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There was only one guy I actually knew that didn't use them, and that was Bob Backlund.
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So anyway, but everybody I knew dabbled in it, and even if they said they didn't, they
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And so at the end of the day, when it became illegal, we kept yoking up, you know, because
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we were out tearing biceps like this that wouldn't get fixed, and muscle tears everywhere,
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and your thumb gets broken, and the Philadelphia Spectrum at 1 o'clock, you go to Brussels
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Madison Square Garden that night, you don't want 10 weeks, it's got to be healed in six
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And then Vince McMahon was on his, you know, major role with his company, doing great,
01:41:05.560
and the federal government targeted him, you know.
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They targeted him, and they drugged the poster boy in.
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And so we had a rough go of it for a few years with the federal government, but Vince went
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to trial, and all the stuff they said he did, he didn't do.
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Yeah, so that's what they were trying to paint him in a corner.
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And then when I got on the witness stand, I told the truth and made a quick exit and didn't
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Yeah, they were trying to prosecute him out of Brooklyn.
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So when I went to work for Ted Turner, I couldn't even wrestle anywhere in New York for five
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Because to avoid prosecution, you know, because they were they were going to get somebody and
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And then if they weren't going for Vince, they pulled me aside and actually told me what
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If I didn't say this, I went, I don't know that.
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So when I got on the witness stand there in Brooklyn, I had a Learjet waiting at Teterboro
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I had Alec Isaacman, one of my attorneys that handled the Larry Flint trial.
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And when I got off that witness stand, I didn't even go sit in the courtroom.
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I went out the side door, got in the car, went to Teterboro Airport and didn't come back
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for five years until the three prosecutors, Charlie Rose or either Charlie Rose or Sean
01:42:55.220
O'Shea, one of them got busted with a bunch of kilos of coke.
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But the third guy, the head of the FBI flag, him and I became good friends.
01:43:06.120
So once that was over, then I went back to New York.
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They were just trying to target Vince and trying to do what the government always does
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And he just basically didn't do anything they said he did.
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I was asked to get off a Disney bus because of him.
01:43:33.800
Well, they have these little buses they'll cart tourists around on at Disney.
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It's like little trolleys is what they look like.
01:43:46.100
It actually looks like a little minibus, a little red trolley.
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And so all of a sudden, I was sitting there with my family, my first wife and my two kids
01:43:58.440
And all of a sudden, the security guards come in and go, well, you need to scoot down.
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He was by himself with a couple security guards.
01:44:14.520
He goes, oh, I'm very sorry about them making you move.
01:44:22.160
And so I really didn't talk to him other than that to say it was cool.
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But that's the only time I've met him was when they made us move down and got out of
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You know, I don't think they wanted us looking at him or anything.
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Did he look like little or did he seem like kind of not?
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And he was all covered up and had the glove, the thing glued on.
01:44:48.920
Because he was like, I mean, that must have been interesting for you to see.
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Plus, say he didn't want his picture taken and didn't want to be asked for autographs.
01:45:40.640
I mean, you probably looked at him the way we looked at you.
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And thank you so much for just being a great entertainer all these years.
01:46:06.700
We fucking balance the shit on the back and we would fucking hold each other's eyes open.
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We didn't have tuxedos, but we had like these like we would cut a black sweatshirt with like the white shirt under him and pretend like we were the guys, you know?
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Yeah, he was my guy, Gino, and I brought him from Minnesota with me.
01:46:37.260
And then when I went back to New York when they wanted me to come back and do this crazy international thing with Vince Jr., I brought me and Gene with me.
01:46:47.780
Yeah, he seemed like a cool guy to have around, huh?
01:46:52.740
When I moved to Minnesota, I was single, and I had an apartment behind the Met Center with the Mall of America's.
01:46:59.080
There was a place called the Met Center there, and there were the Versailles apartments behind there, and that's where all the Northwest stewardess lives, right?
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Me and Gene came over one time, and he was married, and he wouldn't go home.
01:47:12.100
He stayed in my apartment for like a year and a half.
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I said, dude, aren't you ever going to go home?
01:47:31.120
Yeah, I used to go down and play at a bar called Caboose.
01:47:35.540
There was another bar that they – was that the bar you played at all the time?
01:47:40.420
Minneapolis, and then I played at Boyd's in the River all the time.
01:47:47.400
We used to go – what was that place we went to, Bonkers?
01:48:02.180
Yeah, but right on Hennepin Avenue where Moby Dix was, there was a bar called the Caboose,
01:48:07.220
and I used to always go in there after I wrestled or whatever since I was single.
01:48:10.880
I didn't have anything to do, so I'd just go down there and drink beer and play guitar
01:48:14.620
And, you know, I was fresh off playing, so I could still play.
01:48:18.600
You know, like my fingers hadn't been broken and screwed up in so many times, so I could
01:48:23.420
So I'd go down there, and I always go into Prince's Club, you know, First Avenue there.
01:48:28.640
And the first day I went in there, he walked in on stage and started playing.
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You know, the very first time I walked in the place.
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And so, you know, that got me coming back a lot.
01:48:38.120
You know, and I only saw him two more times there, but he would come in there and just
01:48:42.540
play, like, for three hours because it was his club.
01:48:46.080
And we'd just sit there and listen to him, and it was amazing to watch him.
01:48:49.920
You know, I met him one time, said hello to him.
01:48:56.980
Yeah, I just never sat and talked with him or anything.
01:49:05.680
But, you know, I just really dug his music, man.
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Thank you for all the music you put out in the world, you know.
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I mean, I didn't mean to make it seem like that.
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It's been awesome to witness and to be a fan of.