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00:01:55.760 today's guest is a presidential candidate for the 2024 u.s presidential election he's an author he's

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00:02:18.160 kennedy jr

00:02:26.160 i'll sit and tell you

00:02:27.600 thanks man yeah i feel pretty good i got some vitamin d today i went for a run you know

00:02:51.920 i think i was feeling like overwhelmed so sometimes when i feel like even if i feel if

00:02:58.400 i feel anything too much it's like i feel like if i do something in motion it helps me you know and

00:03:04.960 getting some vitamin d helps me too move muscle change of thought yeah but i had the same experience

00:03:11.520 yesterday where i you know they had me scheduled like back to back all day and i said i just need to

00:03:16.400 get out and i i just canceled one of my appointments and i went out in the sun

00:03:22.640 for an hour and i just it was transformative yeah it's interesting i think we forget that we're supposed

00:03:28.320 to be plants like that you know yeah or that we're part because are humans part plants too do you think

00:03:34.480 no i know although the microbiome has a lot of

00:03:40.160 plants and it's i guess it's part of our body and it's a plant i suppose but

00:03:44.800 um we are definitely um we're a zoonotic species rather than plant species dang yeah

00:03:54.720 sometimes i guess i feel like a plant um or i don't know if i sit by a window i feel good you

00:03:59.840 know if somebody comes up and smells me if i smell good i feel good i guess so that's kind of

00:04:04.160 like a flower maybe i don't know maybe i'm losing my mind um good to see you man you too yeah you look

00:04:09.840 great you did you look amazing well i feel pretty good man i'm just i've been staying pretty busy

00:04:16.880 i'm trying to think of what's been going on have you been in nashville yeah i've been over there a

00:04:20.640 decent amount you know um i couldn't believe how that is growing there yeah there's like 20 cranes

00:04:27.760 above that city they must have all the cranes from everywhere in the united states there yeah it's been

00:04:32.880 it's been busy i mean even since i just moved there like three years ago it's like i'll go down streets

00:04:36.800 now and everything's everything's changing it's really nice one of the things i like best there

00:04:40.960 i have the best neighbors there my neighbors are really nice um and it still has a really small

00:04:48.960 it has a small town vibe like you couldn't cheat on your wife there that's what i tell people

00:04:53.280 you could not do it i mean you could i think a lot of people have tried but you could it's just

00:04:58.000 there's too much it still has like that a little bit of that southern gossip vibe you know

00:05:01.520 yeah uh do you have like you know like a little house there yeah i got me a little house in a

00:05:08.320 neighborhood it's pretty normal nothing too fancy i mean it's a nice home but um it's nothing like i

00:05:14.800 don't have like a water slide or anything you know anything like that or like a um part of an axe

00:05:21.760 yeah i don't know yeah i don't have an axe throwing yeah um but it's been good man it's been a nice change

00:05:28.160 of pace i feel a little bit more connected to just like regular society because i think in la it's

00:05:33.520 like a it's it's just a different universe out here than like regular cities or towns in america for

00:05:38.480 sure um and there's so many people here you know i think people start to feel a little bit i don't

00:05:43.600 want to say expendable but it's like some people you know you're you're not going to see them ever

00:05:47.280 again so there's like a different amount of um value sometimes to the interaction that you have

00:05:53.760 to put into it you know like in a smaller community you have to have you have to create a level of

00:05:58.400 probably more respect for people and stuff and like um whereas in a city you're just gonna does

00:06:05.200 that make any sense yeah i remember who was there's a writer for the new yorker i'm trying to remember

00:06:11.200 his name but he's kind of a philosopher and he was talking about the um that there's a formula

00:06:18.720 actually that you know people are rude and in big cities because the chance of them ever running

00:06:25.760 into you again is is more remote whereas if you live in a small town i've lived in montgomery alabama

00:06:33.040 which is really a small town and uh hayneville alabama and then i lived in deadwood south dakota

00:06:39.200 and you know a couple of other small towns in my life and everybody's nice and when you're driving down

00:06:44.560 the road in your pickup truck everybody who passes you on the road waves their hand like that yeah

00:06:53.840 he was saying uh he was telling the story that um uh that mother teresa when she came to new york

00:07:02.720 she tried to start one of her little you know con monasteries to take care of the poor in new york

00:07:08.640 and that um they eventually ended up closing it because they didn't want to put an elevator in the

00:07:13.760 place and they said no we'll just carry the sick people up the stairs ourselves i love that idea

00:07:20.080 yeah but in new york the public health agencies wouldn't let them do it so they said okay we're

00:07:25.200 leaving but she at one point mayor koch had a uh had a heart attack mayor koch yeah okay ed koch was uh

00:07:34.320 he was uh the mayor of new york for a long long-term mayor and he had a heart attack and he nearly died

00:07:42.000 and she went to visit him in his hospital bed and which he thought was a great kindness because you

00:07:50.080 know she's a catholic and he's a jewish mayor and it just was a you know it was kind of a spiritual act

00:07:56.880 but when she was up there she asked him can you give me a parking place in front of my uh in front of my

00:08:04.080 building and uh as a joker no she wanted a parking place but it kind of makes mother theresa well of

00:08:14.560 course you would give her a parking place if you got oh there is she there he is mother theresa

00:08:19.600 that's hilarious so uh but she you know it's just the idea that she had an angle you know once you go

00:08:27.040 to new york you always got to have an angle yeah and maybe it is you're just like and i always feel

00:08:31.920 like la is kind of like an air it always feels like the whole city feels like a little bit like

00:08:35.840 an airport to me it's like i feel like i never leave the airport here like it just the whole it

00:08:40.560 just it feels like this thoroughfare of just people going in and out you know yeah um sometimes i start

00:08:47.520 to feel like america starts to feel like that sometimes i think it starts to feel to a lot of

00:08:51.920 people like um it almost feels like a shell company sometimes like a shopping mall yeah or like it feels like

00:08:59.440 like an llc for like big bit it starts to sometimes feel like an llc for like big business yeah does

00:09:05.520 that make any sense that makes a lot of sense i mean i think that's what it's becoming and one of the

00:09:11.200 things that like i i'm talking about a lot now is this um you know the is housing price i housing prices

00:09:19.200 you said yeah you know what i was um i tried the monsanto case in san francisco with a big team of

00:09:28.160 attorneys and we tried three cases in a row so that we had about 20 000 cases and the way that you

00:09:35.120 know the this kind of uh uh multi-state litigation and the case was that they were it was poisonous

00:09:42.160 right yeah it was it was causing non-hodgkin's lymphoma okay so we had enough science to prove that

00:09:48.000 it could cause on it did it could cause non-hodgkin's lymphoma and then we had

00:09:52.800 we ended up having 50 000 people who had gotten on the hodgkin's lymphoma and but the way that you

00:10:00.960 try the case you try them one at a time until if you win three or four in a row then the company says

00:10:06.800 and monsanto says okay now we know what the value of the case so the first case we got 289 million

00:10:12.320 yeah i just saw this brought that up wow the second case we got um and so that was one client and

00:10:18.480 there that was one that was uh dwayne johnson who who's not the rock you're not talking about him

00:10:24.320 not the rock this was an african-american school superintendent he you know his job

00:10:32.960 was to spray the weeds on the property and keep the mow the lawn and do that on a school public school

00:10:39.920 and he was he had a backpack on a sprayer and it leaked all the time and he began getting

00:10:48.400 lesions on his back and he called up monsanto he called him three times and said could this be from

00:10:56.240 because it says safe as aspirin nothing could happen to you and it has pictures it had pictures on the

00:11:02.880 label of people spraying their weeds wearing like bermuda shorts and a hawaiian shirt so it was implying

00:11:09.840 that you don't have to take any protection with this stuff because it's so safe wow oh he thought

00:11:15.200 he felt like it was coming from that from that and it turned out to be non-hodgent lymphoma

00:11:20.960 it was precancerous lesions and but they would never return his phone call and they knew it

00:11:27.040 and they just didn't want to you know so they they uh they sandbagged him and he um and and he

00:11:35.520 he was the sweetest guy when we got him on the stand he was married to this beautiful uh hispanic

00:11:41.200 woman they had fallen in love the first time they saw each other at community college and they had

00:11:45.760 this wonderful marriage and he couldn't sleep in the bed with her anymore because he had so many

00:11:52.880 lesions on his body and you know it was just he wouldn't go in the swimming pool because you know if

00:11:57.840 anybody saw him in the pool they would think they were going to get a disease so his life was it was just

00:12:02.400 so miserable and the jury loved him they gave him 289 million and then the next one i forgot we we

00:12:12.240 got i i think we got around 300 million the second the third one we asked for a bit was a couple

00:12:19.040 who were both gardeners home gardeners and they brought their dog with them to home garden they

00:12:23.760 had a labrador retriever a labrador who died of non-hodgent lymphoma what he got at the same time

00:12:30.480 and the dog got it the dog died first and then um the uh you know then they were uh they were really

00:12:41.600 sick we asked the jury for a billion dollars and we had a big argument about it you know what do you

00:12:47.040 ask jury because you don't want to ask them for too much because then they think you're overreaching

00:12:50.960 and they may punish you okay oh with the one guy who was arguing doing the closing argument a lawyer

00:12:57.440 called brent wisner very young lawyer um but really brilliant and he uh and we were all saying you

00:13:05.520 should ask him for 300 million that's what the other juries were paying us and he said i'm going to ask

00:13:11.120 him for a billion i feel like the jury likes us they came back with 2.2 billion no we asked him for a

00:13:17.680 billion yeah and uh so they were pissed at monsanto they were so angry because we also showed that that's

00:13:25.840 the lawyer right there who just walked by brent wisner wow um god i gotta pick up some monsanto on

00:13:32.400 the way home yeah you gotta go to law school you know yeah one or the other man i gotta you know

00:13:37.760 i gotta get a case like this but anyway i i didn't mean to go off on this but what i was saying is

00:13:44.400 when we were trying these cases we were trying one after the other so i ended up spending like the

00:13:49.760 better part of a year in san francisco and every morning when i was in san francisco before court

00:13:55.360 i would go down to the court out to the uh to the gym in union square union square is the center

00:14:04.080 of san francisco and it's the center of commerce it has all the big um you know american iconic american

00:14:10.640 stores like uh macy's and bloomingdale's and uh uh nordstrom and gap and old navy and levi and then

00:14:20.640 it has all the foreign stores like prada and dealer valley and uh gucci and ferragamo yeah ferragamo

00:14:28.480 and uh burberry and all of those oh it's like fifth avenue it is the fifth avenue of and people come

00:14:36.000 from asia all over to do their shopping there so you know i went back three weeks ago and it was

00:14:44.400 astonishing those houses are or those stores are all boarded up they're every one of them is closed

00:14:50.960 wow and they're closed because all of them homeless on the street making the chaos that's going on

00:14:58.160 on the street in san francisco makes people feel unsafe well yes some kind of started a pop-up bar

00:15:03.760 do you see that a guy started a bar where oh a homeless bar see if you can bring that up

00:15:10.960 yep i got it yeah look at this i mean i think you're starting to see

00:15:16.800 yeah people are like well i'm so homeless there's obviously no zoning going on

00:15:21.760 so why don't i open up a dave and busters type of place denver homeless camp features pop-up bar

00:15:28.560 yeah it's wacky

00:15:34.800 let's see a decked out open air there you go see look you can see the bottles right there

00:15:39.120 they have a kind of v i wouldn't call it vip but i would call it maybe hivip it looks a little dicey

00:15:45.280 over there sorry and i should have said that man but yeah you shouldn't have said that but but they

00:15:50.320 you know it's it's a lot of people have been ill and um but yeah this is i mean i think people are

00:15:54.720 going to start starting businesses you know yeah like i wonder if that's what it gets is the tent

00:16:00.480 where the owner lives or i think the tent i don't know that could be the pop-up speakeasy which features

00:16:05.920 lounge chairs umbrellas and astroturf has taken over the sidewalk at 23rd and champ uh champa streets

00:16:12.960 which the city's growing homeless population has turned into an encampment i love this kind of stuff

00:16:18.320 so um so i we're hearing there was an open bar that's what the denver police patrol division chief

00:16:24.320 said um anyway yeah i think but at least it's evolving it's not just homeless people just being

00:16:30.480 homeless at least i think you're going to start to see mom and pop businesses out there you know here's

00:16:36.000 what you know my son actually because i i had a lot of um i have a lot of assumptions about why people are

00:16:44.400 homeless and it it's you know there's 525 000 homeless people in this country and but

00:16:54.560 50 of the unsheltered homeless are in california okay california only has 12 of the population but

00:17:02.000 it's 50 of the of the unsheltered homeless and unsheltered homeless means homeless that don't have

00:17:06.240 a place to sleep at night yeah it's okay it's people who are you know on the sidewalk like freelance

00:17:11.040 yeah right or they're in shelter you know they're yeah like free range yeah so um my ass here's my

00:17:20.160 assumptions that homelessness is linked to drug addiction it's linked to mental illness um it's

00:17:28.720 linked to you know poverty and that people are in count one of the reasons there's so many homeless

00:17:36.640 in california is that everybody knows that san francisco has this very generous kind of giving

00:17:44.720 attitude towards social services and so if you're homeless anywhere else in the country you you know

00:17:52.080 you you'd like to move to good weather yeah you know you don't want to be in new york sleeping on a

00:17:57.520 grate in the middle of winter when it's snowing get on a greyhound and come out to san francisco and

00:18:03.600 you know um and and celebrate yeah and i also had heard this which turns out not to be true that

00:18:11.680 that in some cities like dallas or nashville if you are homeless that they uh instead of putting you in

00:18:20.400 jail they give you a bus ticket to san francisco oh wow so i don't know if it's true or not but

00:18:26.960 anyway so my son turned me on to this writer called my son connor who you know um matthew desmond and

00:18:35.840 matthew desmond has written these books on homelessness and he's done these studies on

00:18:41.680 homelessness and and they in san francisco they actually went around and interviewed thousands

00:18:46.800 and thousands of homeless people and what they found is that um that the the people who who are

00:18:55.680 homeless in san francisco are from san francisco and they're from california and they weren't they

00:19:01.120 didn't come from somewhere else so it's not a lot of people yet bust in or transplants or whatever

00:19:05.840 right he also says this that it it has it it has very little to do with drug addiction you know the

00:19:13.200 states like west virginia has much more drug addiction than san francisco and yet it doesn't

00:19:19.280 have a homeless problem so west virginia has much worse poverty problem than san francisco

00:19:24.240 san francisco actually i think it's the richest city in the country i may be wrong but i think

00:19:28.720 it's the richest and um and it doesn't so and in terms of mental illness you have to assume they're

00:19:37.280 the same yeah there's no reason but but also detroit detroit has much higher drug addiction much higher

00:19:43.280 poverty and it doesn't have a homeless problem and what matthew desmond says is the reason for

00:19:50.080 homeless one reason one reason is housing prices it all has to do with with housing prices in california

00:19:58.320 you know we have the highest housing price in the country um here in la where we are the average home

00:20:05.680 costs 815 000 which means you have to earn 250 000 to be able to pay to be able to pay for that and why

00:20:15.600 do they get so high like is it demand that makes them so high i'm going to tell you this the average

00:20:21.600 home in our country two years ago was 215 000 the today's 400 000 and the interest rates have gone

00:20:32.240 from three to seven percent so kids today like your kids and my kids are never going to buy a home

00:20:38.320 you know it used to be but if so if they're not going to buy a home yeah and the median price of home

00:20:43.120 sold by realtors has risen sharply since the beginning of the pandemic yeah and and here's

00:20:46.640 why this is happening if there's three big companies uh blackrock state street bank are

00:20:53.920 these the biggest companies you know and they have a monopoly on a lot of the housing market right

00:20:58.240 well what they do they own everything okay including they own each other so it's really

00:21:03.040 just one big company and and blackrock that it has 10 trillion dollars under management

00:21:08.880 the gdp of california is three or 10 trillion the gdp of california is three trillion dollars

00:21:18.000 and so they're three times the size of california california economy is the fifth largest in the

00:21:23.200 world of all nations so when you have that much control can't you just make your own

00:21:29.200 universe they can't yeah we'll say so they own those three companies own 88 of the s p 500 so they

00:21:37.520 basically just own everything and now what they've decided is they want to own every single family

00:21:44.000 home in our country so they're that and and they're now on track there's now on trajectory if we continue

00:21:50.880 it on this trajectory they will own the corporations will own sixty percent of the uh single family homes

00:21:59.360 in our country and they're you know they they pay nothing for money so they're like if you're the richest

00:22:05.040 person in the country their black rocks cost of money is 30 percent lower than you so you you know

00:22:13.600 so they're competing against our kids and your kids why is it so different they want it now they

00:22:19.680 want to own everything so why is the percentage of the cost of the value of of borrowing oh because

00:22:24.160 they are their credit is so impeccable oh i see they have like 900 yeah so they they got the better than

00:22:31.440 the best credit rating i think i got 670 or something i don't know what's okay i don't know

00:22:36.880 yeah but isn't that like privatized communism or something that's what it feels like well yeah it's

00:22:41.200 like socialism for the rich and you know this is this barbaric merciless ruthless savage capitalism for

00:22:49.040 the poor yeah do you think that there's some trickle-down effect of that that makes people feel

00:22:52.960 like yeah i don't know i mean i i was talking we had this guy john vervake on and he talks a lot about

00:22:57.760 meaning and stuff like that you know and he said that people feeling like they're part of a country

00:23:01.840 or they're they have like a part of a home you know part of a group it it creates a lot of meaning

00:23:06.800 for them you know just in their life yeah and i think i noticed even with my own like probably like

00:23:12.080 our parents and stuff i think a lot of them were very like pro america and like you know they had

00:23:17.600 family members that died for our country and they you know it meant something to them to be part of

00:23:22.320 america and then now i think a lot of them see this kind of unfolding or like kind of the flag kind

00:23:27.680 of like fraying at the stitching you know and i think it's very scary because if you don't know if

00:23:33.360 you start to feel like you don't have your country then i think then you start to feel like okay it's

00:23:39.360 every man for himself in a way does that make any sense yeah and you know and you're absolutely right

00:23:45.840 there's a poll that came out three weeks ago that showed that in 2013 kids between 18 and 35 years

00:23:54.080 old that 85 percent of young americans um said they were proud of the united states and then another

00:24:01.200 poll the same poll came out three weeks ago that showed that only 17 of kids say that they're proud

00:24:08.960 of it to be and i said really you know devastating but one of the things that you are saying i think is

00:24:14.240 true that if you own a home you care more about your community you care about the schools you know

00:24:22.560 you care about the police that's a great point hospitals you take care of your garden you know

00:24:27.360 you make it look nice yeah you might be more likely to help your neighbor exactly because you're there

00:24:33.440 you're part of the community and turning us all into you know and you it you also are are a

00:24:40.400 participant in the capitalist system because if you own a home you have equity yeah which means

00:24:46.800 let's say you want to start a business even like a tiny business like you know buying a sewing machine

00:24:52.240 yeah doing sewing what else can we do you can do or you know if you want to start a restaurant

00:24:56.400 popcorn like a caramel corn exactly something like that idea yeah thanks and um but you can get a loan

00:25:04.720 you can get a loan right on your house and so you you have an entree into the capitalist system yeah

00:25:10.080 and you make you because then you're always pop everything's possible you could sit down with your

00:25:13.520 family at night and be like hey mom and dad are thinking about doing this business what do you guys

00:25:17.360 think and maybe your son's proud of you and it creates excitement in your house you know and even

00:25:21.680 if like i remember my mom went to law school and she couldn't do it because she had too many kids and

00:25:25.440 it was too much work but i was still always proud of her that she tried to do it you know like

00:25:29.600 i think yeah having the the financial ability to do stuff like that it's just so important man

00:25:34.800 and then otherwise you feel yeah if you're just a renter if everybody's a renter you don't care nobody

00:25:40.720 you just feel like you're like a renter by force like you don't even have a choice to be a renter

00:25:45.360 you know um yeah that's kind of scary how do we battle against that and is it something that

00:25:51.760 a president can do or a political official can do or it's something that

00:25:55.120 that how do you how do we turn reverse that um well i don't know i mean there there's parts of

00:26:05.520 their um of of what they're doing that yeah a president can do for example they own all the

00:26:13.760 packing companies so there's only four meat packing companies and and those companies have a stranglehold

00:26:20.720 on farmers and consumers and they should have been prosecuted a long time ago for antitrust

00:26:27.760 but because blackrock is so powerful nobody will touch them wow and so it's a dark arts huh yeah i mean

00:26:36.080 they're just you know what they're doing is they're just they're just strip mining the wealth and equity

00:26:41.520 from the american middle class yeah and you see that you know yeah it's sad and how do we how do

00:26:48.720 who is it who is blackrock the head of it is uh is the ceo is a guy called larry fink

00:26:56.080 he's also on the board of directors of the world economic forum so that in the world economic forum

00:27:01.520 you know is meets in davos a billionaires boys club they meet in davos they meet in davos every year and

00:27:10.000 they try to figure out what um their plans are for the rest of humanity are they greedy i would say

00:27:18.080 they they they have a bad reputation for very self-serving policies their big policy is called

00:27:25.120 the great reset and what here's klaus schwab says he famously he says under the great reset you will

00:27:32.560 have not you will own nothing but you will be happy so that's what that's what they believe yeah

00:27:37.760 they do have a belief their belief is that you will own nothing but you'll be happy all of us will own

00:27:42.000 nothing but they will because they will own everything and they may be a little happier who

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00:30:04.400 and use code theo start getting cash back today so how do we stay positive how do you what do you do to stay

00:30:12.960 positive when things like this come into your brain because i think a lot of people that it uh

00:30:17.920 i mean this is why you have people that start to go to conspiracy theories this is why you have

00:30:21.440 people that start to look like all for alternate people are looking for hope really a lot of times

00:30:25.920 in a conspiracy theory people are also looking for hope they're looking for something that shows them

00:30:30.800 that something that's out of what everything feels like could be possible right um do you uh well

00:30:38.720 do you let me ask you this do you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist no but i consider myself

00:30:48.400 open to curiosity you know um i think yeah i consider myself open to curiosity i think it would be silly

00:30:56.640 not to listen to possibility and i think some of the it's sometimes it's the curious guy who at first

00:31:04.160 people are like this guy's bananas who ends up being bananas foster you know which is good if

00:31:11.600 you've had it or not yeah i have it yeah it's pretty good i'll say that dude one of my i used to work at

00:31:16.160 this at this restaurant and one of my co-workers he's like man i hate seeing bananas foster on the menu

00:31:22.880 because i was raising a foster home and it makes me sad not ridiculous

00:31:27.840 well yeah like just to equate like bananas foster and being raised in a foster home but i was like

00:31:36.160 but i bet he still had some every now and then i think it made him feel pretty good but um but yeah

00:31:40.960 i think would you ask me about it is i was asking about conspiracy theories yeah i i don't think well

00:31:47.600 i think since to me since the new like the news started to get compromised it feels like a few years

00:31:53.680 ago and i'll one thing i do like using is that word compromise that's kind of like a conspiracy

00:31:58.240 there is word you know but i feel like when i was when i was a child it felt like the news was real

00:32:04.000 and it and it was like this is the news and it was honest i don't know if it was that could have

00:32:09.200 been me romancing it too but it felt like that and then at a certain point which feels like about

00:32:14.160 maybe 10 years ago the news started to become more yeah different did you notice that in your life

00:32:19.920 yeah i did and i watched it happen because originally the like the the news um you know

00:32:28.960 they they going back to when they invented radio in 1928 they passed a law that was called the

00:32:36.000 fairness doctrine it was called you know community communications act and they said um you that all

00:32:43.520 they did a bunch of things they said nobody could monopolize the news so now there's five companies

00:32:48.880 that own all the tv all the radio all the newspapers and most internet content providers

00:32:55.280 and they didn't want that to happen because they thought then you know these large corporations will

00:33:00.000 control what we're thinking because they're going to control the information flow and that's bad for

00:33:04.080 democracy oh they said you you know you can own no more than eight radio stations and you couldn't

00:33:11.520 own a newspaper and a radio station or television station the same that sounds a good choice that sounds

00:33:16.560 like very that seems fair to me yeah they wanted a diversity of ownership it was called the fairness

00:33:21.120 doctrine but they also said if you if you if you're using the public airwaves which means radio or

00:33:27.920 television that if you make a statement you need to give the other side a chance to respond and you

00:33:36.320 also need to put the news on every day at times when americans are likely to be at home to see it so they

00:33:45.280 they said in order to oh like nbc did not own that airwave it all it had a license to use it and

00:33:54.240 it could only use it if it benefited the public interest the way that it did that is it said okay

00:34:00.480 you're going to create a news division the news divisions were always lost money but they were

00:34:05.520 willing to pour money in because it was the only way they could hold on to their license and they made

00:34:09.680 a guy wait explain that part to me sorry i'm uh that's right see what they could say is well you

00:34:15.680 can you can use a uh the airwave to to make money by entertaining people right but you have to tell

00:34:25.120 the real news the authentic news the important news that affects policy decisions that americans have to

00:34:30.880 make about their government okay and you have to do it every day at a time when all americans are going

00:34:36.960 to be home are likely to be home so that's why we had a six o'clock news hour it's also

00:34:42.320 radio stations if you probably i don't know if you remember this or not but it used to be even the

00:34:47.680 top 40 music stations had a news break like every 15 minutes there was a short news break where they

00:34:55.440 would tell you the news paul harvey remember him exactly good day yeah yeah exactly well they had to do

00:35:01.440 that there was a legal obligation and the wow and the news divisions were separate from the rest of

00:35:08.560 the operations and they were untouchable so they'd bring some you know really uh credible figure like

00:35:15.840 newton minnow or the way to walter cronkite and huntley and brinkley and john chancellor these guys

00:35:22.960 who were you know total integrity people and everybody the most credible man the most um the most believed

00:35:30.240 credible man in america was walter cronkite yeah and so and all of those newscasters were people of

00:35:37.040 extraordinary integrity then what happened is ronald reagan when he ran for president in 1980

00:35:43.840 he had the support of the uh big studio heads in california because he'd been the california governor

00:35:51.120 they wanted to abolish the fairness doctrine so they could get their hands so they could consolidate

00:35:56.160 the entire media and under monopoly control and he had the christian right and the christian broadcasting

00:36:03.760 stations did not want to do you know the fairness they didn't want to show the other side because

00:36:09.600 they didn't want to show satan's side of the argument right so they all wanted to get rid of the fairness

00:36:14.960 doctrine and so reagan came in and uh and appointed a guy i think his name was tom wheeler to run um

00:36:23.440 the fcc the federal communication and they threw out the fairness doctrine at that point you saw this

00:36:30.320 huge consolidation where they started buying up everything you also saw the news divisions were

00:36:36.560 told okay you know we don't we don't really need you to have integrity anymore we need you to make

00:36:43.920 money so the news divisions became profit centers and so you saw more and more news that was not really

00:36:51.360 news it was you know about brad and j-lo and it was entertainment it was stuff to get eyeballs to

00:36:57.280 make people and violence and war and you know um and so you saw this deterioration where from a highly

00:37:06.160 credible people on the news to people that you have today who are just you know propagandists for the

00:37:11.840 government and for the pharmaceutical companies muppets man yeah the people people turn into muppets

00:37:16.960 did um but so so whenever they so the it was christian activism that made them ended up making

00:37:25.440 them repeal that it was a combination of things the the christian broadcasters for good reason you know

00:37:32.560 they had good reason they didn't want to tell because like for example yeah give me an example i'll give

00:37:38.080 you an example that that um nbc i think it was nb it was either nbc or abc was having advertisements

00:37:47.280 we're selling advertisements for mustang which is the automobile oh yeah that's staying at that point

00:37:52.960 it was the biggest gas guzzling automobile and so the the ad one an asthma society of america they

00:38:00.880 hated mustangs yeah they didn't like mustangs oh come on dude no they if you have asthma if you get a

00:38:07.040 mustang you got a chance with the ladies i feel like but if you just show up with asthma dude it's

00:38:11.920 yeah yeah yeah it's not a good selling yeah asthma has one speed dude you know sorry go on so they

00:38:22.080 they wanted to do an ad saying mustangs are bad because they're making us you know they're making

00:38:27.200 us have asthma attacks and they and the network didn't want to do it they said no you know because

00:38:34.240 they right we want to sell mustangs we want to sell mustangs so they they told the the asthma

00:38:40.080 society you can't you know we're not going to let you we're not going to sell you ad space so they

00:38:45.120 sued they went to the supreme court the supreme court said you got it you got to allow them to

00:38:49.920 stop both sides and they upheld the fairness doctrine so you if you applied that to christian

00:38:56.960 broadcasting and said you got you're using a public airway right you know if there's atheists out there

00:39:03.120 who want to give their side of the story right maybe you'll have to do that so they didn't want

00:39:08.640 to wow they didn't want to do that so they were you know and you can see the rationale yeah and then

00:39:15.120 also that leans into more like towards yeah things being able to create monopolies then it seems like

00:39:19.840 you know yeah well the monopoly exactly and now we are where we are today well it's sad every city you

00:39:25.600 go to like i go to a city if you you go as a comedian you go to do radio sometimes before and

00:39:30.240 you know uh it used to be you had kind of a local radio station and now all of them are most of them

00:39:34.800 are kind of clear channel you know and i'm not denouncing clear channel i don't but they're all

00:39:39.120 like usually like part of a bigger group you know and you can't find like a local newspaper anymore

00:39:44.480 like that used to be like part of the community like getting yourself in the newspaper you would get

00:39:49.280 like a little trophy for you know you didn't do nothing really maybe you found a missing person or

00:39:54.880 something and they would put you in the newspaper or something you know but it was like you kind of got

00:39:59.120 to see like everything that was going on in your community like baseball scores for little league

00:40:03.440 games i think things that made you feel attached to your environment you know and uh they don't

00:40:08.080 have that anymore it's like everything's just too big now to get it to fit into like um smaller

00:40:13.360 communities you know or maybe you'll get a paper like once a week now or something you know it's just

00:40:17.440 different no i you know i agree 100 with that i think that's you know and i think there's a real

00:40:24.240 appetite for local news people want to know what the you know what happened in the baseball i mean

00:40:29.040 like you know i grew up reading about you know kids who i was playing you know sports with yeah

00:40:36.320 right and um and you'd read about them in the local papers they were heroes to you that's how you had

00:40:41.360 local heroes you know it's like yeah now it just feels like they want all your heroes to be like

00:40:46.880 from the marvel universe or you're not even allowed to have a hero anymore you know um and i don't know

00:40:52.080 maybe i'm maybe i'm romancing that a little bit but i definitely notice it when i go home i can't

00:40:57.200 find like the local news and see kind of what's going on and then so then you're not attached to

00:41:01.440 it you don't really where do you you consider home nashville i'm from uh louisiana from covington

00:41:06.400 louisiana so but um is covington is that up is that in the delta or something no covington is south of

00:41:15.120 the dead it's kind of like uh let me see southwest of the uh delta yeah covington is over there we

00:41:22.560 had i'll tell you something neat about covington well we have the tallest statue of ronald reagan

00:41:27.200 and you're welcome to come see it whenever you want really yeah and michael landon was supposed

00:41:32.240 to come there one time but he couldn't make it michael landon he was supposed to stop in

00:41:36.880 he didn't make it though that's a big selling point for that yeah michael landon was almost here

00:41:42.320 i guess it's a pretty big look at that statue though buddy oh i can't tell how big it is

00:41:46.320 bigger than the trees though yeah it's 10 feet tall or it could be somebody said it's even 12

00:41:50.800 feet tall but i think that somebody had a bad ruler on them but um also lee harvey oswald went

00:41:57.280 to our middle school there uh for a little bit oh yeah and what else um the tulane primate facility

00:42:06.240 is there and they tested the uh polio vaccine they actually made the polio vaccine that ended

00:42:11.360 up giving cancer a lot of women to like cervical cancer yeah that's it had a virus and a monkey

00:42:17.120 virus in it called sv40 yeah that's where they tested it at yeah and some of the monkeys got out

00:42:21.840 when i was a kid and we got to get out of ymca summer camp to help them look for them which is

00:42:25.200 pretty crazy when you think about it is that true yeah they had a kenny rogers roasters and we're

00:42:30.400 out there wrangling chimps with a couple of local police wow pretty cool huh um but anyway there's

00:42:36.800 actually i you know there's a book um you go the escape right there oh wow there's a book called

00:42:43.440 mary's monkey yeah and it's about the you know the the uh dr mary's monkey is that it maybe it's just

00:42:50.480 mary's monkey dr mary's monkey yeah mary's monkey and it's about the uh the secret lab it's about the

00:42:57.520 kennedy assassination but it's about the tulane lab and uh that there are people involved in that lab who

00:43:04.240 were you know who were involved with lee rv oswald and did you go down a lot of rabbit holes ever

00:43:10.960 like kind of searching like just about information well you know i i feel like i'm really i'm really

00:43:17.520 evidence-based so i don't make any presumptions but i i read everything yeah but and if it's that book is

00:43:26.240 actually very very well researched and very interesting yeah yeah i think i don't know if i've

00:43:30.800 read all of it but i've definitely read a decent amount of it um man yeah congratulations since i

00:43:36.080 saw you last you were running for election yeah that's cool man uh you didn't see that coming yeah

00:43:45.280 i don't know because i think i almost think i asked you about it we'll have to go back and see if there's

00:43:49.360 a clip where i asked you if you would at some point because it's like you were so well spoken i didn't have

00:43:54.960 any intention um was it hard to did you have to convince your family that it was okay for you to

00:44:00.880 run well the one person i had to convince was my wife yeah my kids were like uh i actually went up to

00:44:09.440 boston and i had three boys who were in boston at that point and i went out and took them out to lunch

00:44:18.160 and they were like they weren't like okay go get them dad they were like okay that this is what you

00:44:25.280 you know buy the ticket take the ride you know and they they were not um you know that i think now

00:44:32.240 they're much happier about it yeah because the way it's kind of turned out but they didn't know what

00:44:38.000 was going to happen at that point and then cheryl who you know um uh it took she took a lot of

00:44:46.480 convincing but what happened is i was you know i thought at one point because they were censoring

00:44:51.600 me in fact you got you know yeah we got sent our episode got taken down that's right and then

00:44:57.520 miraculously got put up again how did that happen like a month ago oh it came back up on youtube one of

00:45:05.280 the episodes that had been taken down came back up on youtube i mean it had been gone bobby it had

00:45:10.640 been gone and then it just showed back up that's weird well we sued them but i doubt if that's the

00:45:19.600 reason because youtube yeah they're still taking our stuff down wow good for you that's cool when

00:45:26.320 you're a lawyer because then you can sue somebody if you need to that's a great idea you guys actually

00:45:30.560 made a wager whether or not that episode would be taken down rfk uh he said it would be and theo

00:45:37.520 bet him that it wouldn't oh dang how much was that for yeah how much was that for we have the clip

00:45:43.200 one sec all right it's gonna get interesting we'll see if anybody's getting paid this week right here

00:45:50.240 god this could be bad well whatever it is bobby we'll donate to your campaign okay

00:45:54.000 um how have campaign donations been oh you have a good we you know we were at the eric clapton concert

00:46:02.320 last night let's play a question that came in actually right here from a guy uh for you bobby

00:46:07.680 that's right is this live this is not live none of this is live and this question isn't live this is

00:46:12.320 because i want to make sure you have an option of not playing this podcast video no i don't i think

00:46:18.960 we're okay yeah i mean we you know i'm generally curious and i think i'm worried about your career

00:46:25.440 that's why thanks well the good i feel like i own my own career until like i don't need a hollywood

00:46:30.720 career you know but it's definitely i worry about like my career of like i guess maybe like youtube

00:46:36.240 canceling us or people saying that we can't do this anymore you know that's the scary part is this

00:46:41.680 on youtube yeah this will be on youtube so but our last one stayed up okay well let's make a bet

00:46:49.440 i'll bet you five bucks well inflation's happening a lot let's make it ten we were ahead of the curve

00:46:56.960 question right here from somebody that came in but anyway last night you asked about donations we got uh

00:47:03.520 yeah we were at the eric eric clapton and there's steve stills eric clapton and we met and did that at a

00:47:10.640 private home in brentwood and uh we got 2.2 million dollars that way um we're you know we're doing

00:47:18.000 well on donations um how was it because you were kind of like looked at as like a guy that was like

00:47:25.440 a nutcase by some people right yeah not by me i thought you were definitely curious and active you

00:47:33.520 know and i knew you as a person so i knew that like you seem like a like as normal as a guy could be to me

00:47:39.920 you know were you surprised when people started to get on board though with you like i because i

00:47:44.400 remember i listened to you i mean i i listened to you on rogan and i thought it was one of his best

00:47:48.400 episodes i thought it was just i remember you thanking him for letting him letting you speak

00:47:53.520 right and it was like you know i remember just listening and i just got a clear layout of exactly

00:47:59.360 kind of where you'd been and how you ended up where you were you know um and i thought it was just

00:48:05.200 awesome and i thought that was such a great interview did things start to turn after that or when did

00:48:09.040 things kind of start to turn do you feel like the the big turn for me was a podcast i did before

00:48:14.480 that called all in you know that podcast it's david sachs and it's a bunch of um tech people uh

00:48:24.800 who are you know leaders in the in the kind of tech bitcoin uh uh community they're san francisco

00:48:33.520 based okay okay and it's very very popular i mean i i cannot i i can't tell you how popular

00:48:46.560 the reason i know how popular it is is i almost every day somebody comes up to me and says i saw you

00:48:52.560 on that wow no matter where i am in the country and it's a very weird demographic because it's not

00:48:58.480 it's all kinds of people like it'll be like an old lady and you know young college kids and um

00:49:07.840 that's amazing i'm gonna check this out all in with shamath jason sachs and friedberger freiburg

00:49:14.480 um and so they you know i went on there and there's four guys and they all kind of grilled me yeah

00:49:21.040 and uh and then you know then uh rogan brought me on megan kelly was really good with me she

00:49:30.320 she had me on about three times when you know nobody would let me on and then fox started letting

00:49:37.600 me on a lot and so i i could go on my you know the thing is that my i get a lot of eyeballs when i go

00:49:44.000 on so they i think they this is what they told me because i went and met with their editorial board

00:49:49.040 that um that you know it was uh that i was getting more eyeballs than any other guests wow

00:49:57.760 on fox yeah on fox and um and i think the same as cnn but cnn won't let me on the only guy who's

00:50:04.800 let me on cnn was michael schmerconish and he it was a very short uh interview but um

00:50:13.520 um he got in a lot of trouble for it wow um so you're running for you're running right now you're

00:50:20.560 running for president yeah with the democratic under the democratic party right at the moment okay

00:50:28.480 and so the is it usual is it normal that someone is able to run against the incumbent just i want to

00:50:37.040 make this clear from audience because some audience i hear words a lot of times and i don't know what

00:50:40.480 they mean right so like the incumbent is the guy who's already in office right yeah so if a president

00:50:46.080 has already done one term then he's the incumbent as he goes up to do the second term right yeah and

00:50:51.680 he has to run against someone who's submitted by the other party well well he he ultimately has to run

00:50:56.640 about he the other party you know is going to nominate somebody to run against them so the republicans

00:51:02.240 will nominate somebody to run against but if you're a democrat if you're popular within your own

00:51:08.880 party a lot of times you won't have a challenger from window within your own party so you'll only

00:51:13.840 have to go to the prize fight you don't have to you know fight all the belookas who are coming after

00:51:19.120 you but and who determines if they have to fight all the blue well it would be you know me i i like i

00:51:24.320 would run against him but my father ran against lyndon johnson when you know lyndon john in 68

00:51:29.520 lyndon johnson was an incumbent democratic president and my father challenged him and

00:51:36.640 and ultimately um johnson withdrew uh and he pulled out of the way it raised and then my father

00:51:46.560 won the primaries um and he was killed my father was killed on the night of the last night of the

00:51:52.720 primaries so june 6th um he won you know the last primaries california south dakota and a couple of

00:51:59.920 others and he was killed that night my uncle ted kennedy ran in 1980 against jimmy carter who was a

00:52:08.720 president of his own party um so yeah it's not uncommon for for people to run against a president

00:52:15.760 in their own party and you know i uh i've had a long friendship with biden i've known president

00:52:22.320 biden for at least 40 years oh wow and uh and you know he has a statue a bust of my father on the

00:52:30.480 behind him in the oval office if any picture that you have of biden there's a a bust of my father you

00:52:36.800 can call one up now um and there's five members of my family who are working in the administration

00:52:44.640 in the biden administration yeah wow at different you know different ways yeah yeah um and so uh do

00:52:50.880 you think he'll get the nomination from his party for the 2024 well i think i could beat him in the uh

00:52:59.200 and yeah that you can see in that middle one the second one from the right up there that one there's a

00:53:04.720 there's a bust of my father behind him wow that's awesome that's so cool man that'd be cool if my

00:53:11.680 were my dad yeah it's wonderful um do you think that he will get the yeah so i guess i have two

00:53:18.960 questions because some of the i think i can beat him if they give me a fair fight right okay but

00:53:24.560 before that do you think that they will he'll get the nomination well i i think i could get the

00:53:29.520 nomination okay if they gave me a fair fight i see do you think that you're currently getting a fair

00:53:34.160 fight no why well because they're they're doing you know the democratic party is supposed to be

00:53:41.040 neutral they're not supposed to choose favorites but they actually endorsed him a week after he

00:53:46.080 declared and his campaign is being run out of the democratic party office which seems like

00:53:52.320 convoluted yeah it's well it's not it's a conflict and you know because the party should be separate

00:53:58.000 from the president even if they're of the same yeah they're supposed to be even if they're both

00:54:02.400 democratic yeah the party should be neutral and say look we're going to be the referees in this

00:54:07.920 fight it's like okay it's like if you went to a football game and the referee in the game was

00:54:14.240 wearing the same uniform as you're the guys you were playing against right you say hey yeah yeah so

00:54:21.280 that's what they're doing and what they've done is they've taken the states

00:54:25.440 that voted most strongly against biden last time around and they've said if anybody visits those if i

00:54:31.280 visit those states and no vote in that state will count in the election so if i go to new hampshire

00:54:37.760 which i did any vote that i get in new hampshire will not count and if i go to what for me so if i

00:54:46.240 beat biden in new hampshire and i win all the delegates those delegates will not be allowed into the

00:54:50.720 convention but how can they just say that isn't there like a democratic process that did that overrides

00:54:55.760 that you would think but actually it the party makes its own rules and there was a you know bernie

00:55:01.760 sanders they did the same thing to bernie sanders and he sued them and said you know you guys were

00:55:09.120 fit rigged the game against me you fixed it and the court said yes they did fix it but actually it's a

00:55:15.200 private club and they're allowed to fix it they can make up any rules they want they can do anything

00:55:20.160 they want so see this just leans so much more into like this stuff that like people feel like their

00:55:26.000 vote yeah there you go matter court concedes dnc had the right to rig primaries against sanders

00:55:31.920 and that and that's debbie wasserman schultz who you know chair debbie wasserman schultz for

00:55:40.160 violating the dnc charter about rigging the democratic presidential primaries for lary kentlin against

00:55:43.760 bernie sanders and she's the one who tried to silence me when i testified before congress a couple of

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00:59:28.160 so it feels so dirty at every turn yeah i mean it's bad to me it's bad for the country right now because

00:59:36.720 so many people think the whole system is rigged yeah that's what it feels like man and um if my boat

00:59:42.480 doesn't matter and we should be i think we should the both parties should be conducting elections that

00:59:47.840 are incredibly fair and everybody looks them and says okay this is a model that america's the

00:59:53.680 exemplary democracy for the world should be and one thing you can say about america is it has fair

01:00:00.240 elections and every vote gets counted and you know yeah it's starting to remind me the articles i would

01:00:04.640 read in the papers of like venezuela a lot of the central american countries where they would be um

01:00:09.680 there would be coups and stuff and they would be overriding the process because they thought the

01:00:13.280 elections weren't fair you know or you know the soviet in the soviet union the communist party

01:00:19.760 they said we're a democracy but the party would pick the candidate and that'd be the only guy you can

01:00:25.440 vote for and that is exactly what they're doing here they're saying they're you know the good they're

01:00:31.040 saying the good news the bad news we have a democracy but there's only one guy and everybody's got

01:00:36.800 to vote for him but do they have the right to do that because he's the incumbent i understand the

01:00:42.240 right to do it within the democratic party process okay and then so they you know they're gonna

01:00:49.280 you know uh it's weird what's happening now theo because the press is now turning against president

01:00:57.600 biden so it has been interesting to see some of that huh yeah it's the first time ever i've seen some of

01:01:02.560 the headlines that are you know either bringing like his son's issues into it or um discussing

01:01:09.760 impeachment i've never seen that before you know yeah in the washington post it uh there's a very

01:01:16.000 famous journalist called david ignatius who is uh linked to the intelligence community and he kind of

01:01:23.920 speaks for if you if you you know if you if you want to talk about the deep state yeah david ignatius the

01:01:30.160 voice of the deep state and he came out and said biden's got to step down and then immediately cnn

01:01:37.680 um published a when uh did a stories about all biden's lies and then i think today either

01:01:45.760 washington post or new york times oh maureen dowd well if he had a story today about all of

01:01:52.240 uh his lies so that you see these attacks on biden that are that were not happening before right

01:02:00.400 and you know and you wonder what what's going on well if he does step down i hope it's not a far

01:02:06.000 step to be honest with you because i don't know if he can handle it you know i think the sad the

01:02:11.440 saddest thing to me is i i feel like i feel like mr biden just isn't healthy he doesn't seem like mentally

01:02:17.760 healthy right to me and i don't know it could be that they edit clips is to look a certain way

01:02:22.640 he just seems like he's he doesn't seem as healthy as he once was right and so it i feel like to me

01:02:29.280 it's like a bad example that we this is what we do with our old people we put them out it's like this

01:02:33.520 is like a you know somebody we're just using it just i don't know it just seems like a bad example

01:02:39.120 of how to treat other people you know like if this were my father and he were to me what would seem

01:02:44.880 like ailing like mentally just kind of either losing his uh composure that he probably once

01:02:50.400 had and it could be dementia his cognitive capacity that's what i'm saying if he were losing it it would

01:02:55.440 just hurt my feelings if they kept wheeling him out there you know but i don't know maybe that's what

01:02:59.520 he wants and we just don't hear that part of it um but how so what is your path in to really get to

01:03:06.720 the presidential nomination for 2024 is there a path for you do you feel like

01:03:11.120 well if president biden steps out you know the decision kind of has to be made by october 15th

01:03:18.800 because that's soon yeah because you'll know before halloween yeah the um october 15th um you

01:03:28.400 you have to start uh qualifying in certain states so that you you have to declare whether you're a

01:03:36.000 democrat or an independent or republican yeah and you can't a lot of people think well you can run

01:03:41.760 as a democrat and then if you lose everything then you can just switch to independent and run on

01:03:47.360 independent but you can't do that because a lot of states have sore loser laws and make it so that

01:03:54.320 you have to choose early and you can't you can't come in you know once you've chosen democrat you

01:03:59.840 can't switch independent that's fair because every year they let odell beckham jr join another team right

01:04:04.480 before the super bowl and i feel like it doesn't seem fair to anybody just i get that he's good

01:04:08.960 but it doesn't seem that fair um so when do you have to so but you've already chosen that you're

01:04:15.120 a democrat right i mean you've been a lifelong democrat is there a chance that you would run

01:04:19.120 as an independent do you look at that ever like and how do you even evaluate that yeah i mean i i you

01:04:25.120 know if they really shut down the process we're right now you know we're grappling with the dnc

01:04:33.680 trying to get them to do the right thing but if they rig the process so that i can't possibly win

01:04:40.240 which is how it's rigged right now then i would have to look at other options i would have to look

01:04:45.840 at running as you know maybe outside of the party or something i don't know exactly what i do i'm

01:04:51.760 hoping that they'll open up the process and let me run um you know we polled this week and i if if i if

01:04:59.200 president biden steps down um i i have a pretty clear path to the nomination my numbers are better

01:05:06.800 than any other democrats including the vice president camilla harris um so and then uh if

01:05:15.040 he stays in and they give me a you know a fair fight i think i can beat him yeah um so wow so

01:05:22.560 it's kind of it's tough to figure out kind of you're kind of just navigating the space huh who's ahead in

01:05:27.280 the national polls well he beats me among democrats in the national polls but if you could get a third

01:05:34.080 of people to switch that were republicans and a third yeah that's the thing is that those polls

01:05:39.920 aren't looking at the republicans who want to vote for me or the independents okay um if you can't get

01:05:47.520 it run this year would you run in the next next one no i'm are you thinking that far ahead okay you're

01:05:53.360 not no i'm not thinking all about that okay oh um some people say that you are that the republican

01:06:00.640 party like set you up to take do you ever hear did you hear about this yeah i hear that that i'm like

01:06:06.720 a stalking horse for trump and all i can say is you know i don't believe that i'm just asking you

01:06:12.320 i don't believe well you should ask me i mean you shouldn't do it publicly like you just did really

01:06:17.680 no no i'm just okay no you should ask me yeah yeah but the here's the thing here's the problem with

01:06:24.240 that first of all if the democrats make rules that say i cannot win you know and then they complain

01:06:32.000 about me running somewhere else it's like it's like the you know it's like a guy who murders his

01:06:38.080 parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan yeah you know

01:06:43.040 they're they're they're they're trying to get public sympathy for a problem that they created i hate

01:06:48.240 when i see bananas foster on the menu that's how it goes but no i see what you're saying it's almost

01:06:53.520 like they're playing two cards that are trying to do two different things but one of them kind of

01:06:57.760 concedes that there's some truth in the other one yeah but the and then the other thing is that i

01:07:02.400 take more votes from president trump than i do from president biden right so why would that help them

01:07:08.320 it's not helping them yeah yeah i thought about that um when you look at uh do you feel like there's

01:07:19.600 do you feel like that the democratic national party has treated you fairly like they do every

01:07:25.040 other candidate do they always try to like how does that usually work i think what they do you know

01:07:32.240 the dnc has a lot of donors okay the dnc yeah the democratic national committee and they you know and

01:07:38.480 the donors are black rock state street vanguard oh really yeah the big pharmaceutical company all the

01:07:44.240 people that i assume monsanto etc they've got two billion dollars in their bank accounts and it comes

01:07:50.320 from those donors and they don't those donors do not want to see me you know running as the democratic

01:07:57.200 nominee and spending their money environmentalist for sure right and spending their money then you

01:08:02.240 know dismantle their uh their very exploited business models and so progressive candidates like

01:08:08.560 me who challenged you know the corporate control of our country people like bernie sanders tulsi gabbard

01:08:15.840 and me are are you know told we don't want you in the party so that's you know and who do you get

01:08:23.600 an email do you get a letter no no no it's not a text we just watch what they do with the rules you

01:08:28.400 know how can they change the rules so that votes for me in new hampshire don't count seats taken right

01:08:33.600 so it's like you know dennis kucinich who's running my campaign who's ran for president twice himself

01:08:40.960 dennis kucinich yeah he was a he was the youngest mayor in the country he was the boy mayor of

01:08:47.520 cleveland uh you know they tried to uh the mafia tried to kill him when he was shot at him and stuff

01:08:53.520 when he was mayor of cleveland he's a very very progressive uh and you know man of utter complete

01:09:00.960 integrity um but he you know he's been around poly he served i think i don't know six or eight maybe

01:09:07.920 10 or 12 terms in congress he was and he ran for president twice and um he uh he got bullets through

01:09:17.760 his through his uh i think through his living room wow um it's a party dennis kucinich yeah anyway he

01:09:26.960 said to me you know when i was saying uh you know when we were talking about the democratic party he said

01:09:36.000 to me what part of fu do you not understand you know they're not they don't have to write you a

01:09:41.760 letter and say right you know go jump in the lake there they're just saying they're they're changing

01:09:48.720 the rules so that you know they're really they're rigging the game against against the democratic process

01:09:55.040 does that inspire you what does that inspire you a little bit that that's what's going on like you

01:09:59.120 know i i have the same program you do yeah just live one day at a time yeah keep doing the next right

01:10:04.800 thing yeah and you know trying to maintain kind of my inner calm and not um and not you know if god

01:10:12.640 wants me right to win i'm gonna win i just gotta keep doing the right thing and not nothing could

01:10:19.360 stop me in that case that's such a great point man so i i feel like i mean i go to a meeting every day

01:10:26.640 i'm on the road i'm in a different city every day and that's the one thing i always do wow

01:10:31.440 and i um been in some good ones recently anywhere particular that kind of stood out

01:10:37.040 i went to one in maine that was pretty cool a few months back i got an hour and the guys was like

01:10:41.920 this in our no i yeah i went to one the other day where uh it was a guy and first of all i went to

01:10:50.000 one in barbados one time where they were they were talking no beer for me man they were talking about it

01:10:56.640 it was uh like a 97 meeting and they were talking about how to take curses off of people

01:11:04.480 and i went to one in belfast during the war there which was really interesting oh wow yeah but i went

01:11:10.560 to one the other day and they were um it was uh and i went to this it was in new hampshire and there

01:11:15.840 was they were um uh and that the people i've been to a couple times and they and the people that

01:11:22.640 meeting recognized me they know who i am most of them and it's it's a very supportive atmosphere

01:11:29.920 for me you know i don't know whether republicans or democrats but anyway it's very not it's a very

01:11:35.760 warm safe kind of place and um i heard a guy there was a break they take at those meetings up in new

01:11:45.040 england they took a five-minute cigarette break halfway through the meeting yeah and i it's from like

01:11:50.480 the old old days yeah and they uh this guy was sitting like four or five seats behind me and

01:11:58.240 he he's one of these old people who talks really loud because he's going deaf yeah and he's uh you

01:12:06.160 know they compensate by talking super loud yeah yeah and he was saying uh he was saying rfk jr

01:12:15.120 and he had three or four of his cronies around him talking and they were whispering to him you

01:12:19.280 you know that's rfk jr and he said he's the anti-vaxxer and i you know i was just listening

01:12:26.400 i was like you know i can hear what you're saying anyway yeah well some senior citizens are whispering

01:12:32.160 it's a little a little high uh a little high on the whisper and then he when he did speak at that

01:12:38.960 meeting and he spoke about you know how important it was to get your jab and stuff and um and i could

01:12:46.720 tell it was directed sort of you know clearly it was directed toward me um but i'm you know i feel

01:12:52.720 like peaceful and afterward i went up and you know talked to him said hi and and uh and smile but

01:13:02.720 i you know it makes me i my job is to stay sort of peaceful and serene and um and not and anything

01:13:12.480 that i've ever done in my life that is enduring that is important um has come out of you know that

01:13:19.920 spiritual place and anything that i do that comes from frenetic activity is uh you know it's just

01:13:27.680 wormwood and bile i know i remember reading about abraham lincoln where he was you know he was the

01:13:35.520 rail splitter and everything he had a bunch of cats too he had cats yeah he's a big cat owner really

01:13:42.880 i know that he i know that he loved animals i did not know about some man gave him two hat

01:13:50.960 some man gave him two cats william seward right there oh he was given an unexpected gift of two

01:13:56.240 kittens from secretary of state he's real cat boy i've been to his home they you know his home in

01:14:01.440 springfield yeah and they one that one cool thing that's really neat about springfield bring it up if

01:14:05.200 you can nick they have like the whole neighborhood they turned into a museum so you can go to his

01:14:11.280 neighbor's house you can go down the street and really it's really cool yeah like you literally

01:14:16.320 feel like you're in the past yeah i um so he also it's really on the same subject of him and animals

01:14:24.240 he was he killed a turkey when he was like 12 years old he shot it from his cabin in kentucky and

01:14:29.680 gobblers yeah and he he went out and he saw it and it's it's final suffering and he vowed that he

01:14:37.840 would never kill an animal again he was probably the only person in his generation that when if his

01:14:44.960 wagon was going down the road it was going to run over a snake he'd stop and get out and pick the snake

01:14:50.960 up and move it because he was you know which is ironic because you know he he had uh he ran a war that

01:14:59.040 killed 659 000 people but grant ulysses grant who did a lot of the killing you know hand to hand

01:15:08.880 he had the same thing he he never lost his temper the only time that he was ever seen to lose his

01:15:14.160 temper was when he saw a man beating a horse some real animal lovers you know hooker there was a

01:15:20.880 colonel hooker yeah general general hooker that's how they got the term hookers because he brought

01:15:25.520 ladies in oh really to spend time with his troops you know a lot of history of interesting history

01:15:31.680 i don't know about that but that's i know about hookers buddy i mean unfortunately

01:15:39.920 but i do know that civil war yeah they brought in hookers first but um american civil war he was

01:15:46.080 properly with his men because he didn't crack the whip um in terms of discipline it said uh

01:15:53.200 after a hard day on the battlefield he would bring in prostitutes but they eventually a lot of his men

01:15:59.120 got diseases from unprotected sex and killed a lot of them anyway moving on anyway i was saying about

01:16:06.720 lincoln lincoln said he was asked how do you um what would you do if you had to cut down a like a really

01:16:13.760 big oak tree and you had five hours to do it he said i'd spend four hours sharpening the axe

01:16:19.200 you know which is good yeah is it it's like it's um it's a metaphor for you know keeping yourself in

01:16:26.400 kind of a good spiritual space you know that you it's like it's you're more efficient and more effective

01:16:32.880 you expend less energy yeah yeah man i i definitely that's been a probably a struggle for me this year

01:16:40.000 is trying to do too much getting frenetic and then acting i'm getting a little better i'm getting better

01:16:48.320 at it but acting from a place of like frenetic you know it's just man sometimes it just gets tough

01:16:54.400 it's tough you know but every time i slow it down every time i kind of do my morning routine well

01:16:59.440 and do my practices everything's way different um what was what was one thing that sobriety we're

01:17:05.360 both sober so what was one thing that um sobriety kind of adjusted or changed in your for you in

01:17:10.800 your life that you didn't expect maybe what was something that came out of it or being a part of it or

01:17:16.240 around it well you changed everything in my life because i think before i came in i was just like

01:17:24.160 a bundle of appetites you know and that's when you're you're kind of living uh according to self

01:17:32.000 will and you know it's like whether it's you know drugs or alcohol or sex or extreme behavior or just

01:17:38.960 you know i was always just filling that empty hole inside of me with with things trying to fix that

01:17:47.840 by reaching for things outside of myself and my mind is like a formulation pharmacy i can turn anything

01:17:54.400 into a drug and um you know uh and then um and then trying to adjust your compass so that you're you

01:18:08.080 know you're not living for self-will but you're trying to um do the next right thing and and you know be of

01:18:15.600 service to others um and that you know that that is what you know when i i was a when i i i feel like

01:18:25.200 i was born an addict i feel like i had just an empty hole inside of me from when i was a little kid

01:18:31.120 you don't think so you don't think it was something really that caused it when you look i don't think

01:18:34.480 so but you know and you hear in the program all the time like half the people think they were born

01:18:40.480 with it and others think that you know trauma you know had something to do with it but i you know

01:18:46.080 i also i i there's certain races like the irish that are yeah what we know yeah there's other ones too

01:18:55.120 they're the most thirsty yeah i mean they're good they make it look good i mean for i mean we call it

01:19:02.320 the irish flu yeah because it it uh it was it you go into a meeting and you know yeah

01:19:10.160 in any meeting any place in the country and half the people in it are you know the sullivan and o'brien

01:19:15.600 and oh yeah a lot of irish yeah um was there was there whether it was alcoholism in your family was

01:19:22.880 it popular in my mother's family it was back to the neanderthals they were all you know and of all of

01:19:31.680 my mother's siblings she was in the only one that did not get it and uh wow that's a lot then that's

01:19:38.160 pretty strong yeah it's just it's it's good to have a program man i think it adds a lot i think

01:19:42.160 it's definitely been a saving grace for me uh for sure just the people i get to meet like last night

01:19:49.280 a guy texted me a new a new guy i've been texting in the in the rooms and we're texting and he he hit

01:19:54.400 me up yesterday i was like hey you want to go to a meeting i wasn't going to go you know so next thing

01:19:58.240 you know i go and we're like over in venice and it's 8 p.m we're sitting on a porch at some guy's house

01:20:02.800 you know listening to a guy talk about how he was in a gang and his brother uh got killed right next

01:20:09.600 to him you know and uh and now for years he was using and then finally he started to get help and

01:20:14.400 gotten in the program and just but to sit there and hear a story like that was that real you know

01:20:19.680 that's part of the fun of going to the meetings right i mean it just puts something real in your

01:20:23.120 life it's like i left out of there like sure you know it was very sad but it was like a real thing it

01:20:28.640 was like i left out of there with like i don't know it just people sharing makes you feel more

01:20:33.600 connected you know but you know when you uh when you got sober did you realize did you because a lot

01:20:41.040 of i know a lot of comics feel like you know that the alcohol and the drugs are part of what makes

01:20:48.160 them funny did you and that they have anxiety about getting sober because they think it might hurt

01:20:53.360 yeah i think i had some of that for sure you know i was in and out for a long time i had three years

01:21:00.000 sober and then i was in and out and then finally i just was so spiritually just empty you know i got

01:21:06.880 in a decent amount of popularity and i thought that that would achieve my happiness or it would do

01:21:12.240 something for me and it just didn't do anything it was like literally getting to the top of a mountain

01:21:16.720 and or you know a decent ledge on a mountain and you're like dang i'm still on a mountain you know

01:21:23.360 that's what it felt like and so i think that just made me realize that there was something bigger

01:21:27.840 going on inside of me that i had to get some help for um and then just the gifts of it like seeing

01:21:33.360 other people get well like seeing people's lives turn around like just it's it's cool i can go to a

01:21:40.800 place every day i can go somewhere and witness a miracle almost and that's unbelievable you know people

01:21:45.920 are looking for miracles and reasons to make them feel you know and so i think that's one of the reasons

01:21:50.400 i go to is because they're it makes me feel in there you know like regular life it was always

01:21:55.680 trying to find something to make me feel and i could never i couldn't do it there wasn't anything

01:22:01.040 that was doing it enough but man i go in there and i see somebody who their life has changed and

01:22:06.880 man it makes me feel you know and that's really what i've always been looking for i've just been

01:22:11.600 wanting to feel and that's probably one of the most blessings of it and then just getting to meet cool

01:22:16.880 i mean like you know you and i are friends i have so many most of my friends are sober

01:22:22.000 yeah you know it's kind of crazy it's just how it kind of works out and also some of them used to be

01:22:26.320 the biggest derelict so you get to hang out with the craziest people in the world you know

01:22:31.280 i mean alcoholics are generally kind of desperados yeah oh they're interesting you feel like a desperado

01:22:38.640 in this campaign i mean one thing that i that i thought about was interesting about you is that

01:22:42.720 nobody was in your pocket because nobody was getting on board with you it you know you like

01:22:47.920 yeah it seemed like there's no choice like there's nothing that's like this is who we this is this guy

01:22:55.120 is what he is whether you he's not working for anybody that's what it always was like that's the

01:23:00.000 most admirable thing to me about anything these days is like i just want somebody who's not part of

01:23:05.920 the status quo because the status quo feels very dangerous or the system feels dangerous you know

01:23:12.400 yeah does that make sense or not yeah and i you know it's i don't know i think you know my campaign

01:23:18.640 the way it came together it it feels i don't know it just feels like um uh there's some you know that

01:23:29.600 all the people are involved in it are people who are you know on some kind of spiritual quest you know and

01:23:37.600 it's it's really interesting because they came from all you know different but you know i there

01:23:44.320 was a early on in my campaign we didn't have any money because most people who join who start a

01:23:51.680 campaign are their senators governors they've been in politics before right so they have an email list

01:23:58.240 and they have a huge war chest they come in with 20 or 30 million dollars and you're not allowed to raise

01:24:04.160 any money until you register with the fec with federal election commission so you know so you

01:24:09.440 and now i announced my campaign and i have no money in the bank so nobody you know let's say i get 5 000

01:24:16.400 calls the next day i want to help you i got nobody answer the phone i don't have a phone because i'm not

01:24:22.160 allowed to spend money until i register and so we were really desperate for money at the outset and a

01:24:30.480 guy said um contacted me and said through a friend and said you know i want to i can get 10 million

01:24:38.480 dollars for you fast and i spent um i met him in my hotel and i was like one of those consolidation

01:24:46.560 credit card things no it was just a guy who you know he was a an attorney who had a lot of clients

01:24:55.440 oh okay private private deal in industries and he said um who would give me money but they were

01:25:03.760 industries that i really didn't want to take money from yeah and i um and so and he left

01:25:11.120 and i just didn't it just didn't feel it felt like it just didn't feel right and so i called the

01:25:18.240 guy who had brought him in and i just said uh i can't do it and i immediately felt like yeah that

01:25:25.760 was the right decision and you know if we're supposed to win we'll win but you know whatever

01:25:30.320 happens um at the end of this process i'm gonna have my integrity intact and that's the only thing that

01:25:36.880 really matters yeah wow that's cool man your wife seems so proud of you i saw you on tiger belly

01:25:43.200 i felt like she seems she seems so proud of you that's it seemed pretty i was wild that show yeah

01:25:47.440 i thought at first when i was all there i was like wow this is a different world but

01:25:51.520 i think yeah were you have you been on the show i've been on the show before yeah and what did you

01:25:56.080 think of it it's bonkers in there you know it's like uh but it's just this very high energy but

01:26:01.920 yeah he's so he's such a sweet yeah bobby's a lovable guy lovable yeah he is and he's um

01:26:10.000 what is he like he's had a kind of a wild life you know he's had an interesting life and but he's

01:26:15.040 beloved by people and i think part of his podcast is just being in his world and what it's like you

01:26:20.240 know so i thought it was brave of you to go but i also thought that it was cool you know when you got

01:26:23.600 to see you and your wife and i just felt like man i could tell your wife just seemed real proud of

01:26:27.600 you maybe she's also just a good actress but she seems yeah she seems to love me but you know i

01:26:34.240 have to keep saying she's an actress how do i know yeah that's a good point yeah yeah one day she could

01:26:39.440 just say and scene yeah um there was recently there was like you guys had a uh you guys had an issue

01:26:47.040 with the security right that that happened this is a few days ago maybe where they had a guy who was

01:26:52.400 a like it looked like he was uh here we go our man arrested at rfk junior campaign event in los

01:26:58.720 angeles was this guy armed and supportive of you or was he armed and it seemed like he was against you

01:27:04.320 or was there did you have any take on this he was he showed up and he asked um yeah he was wearing a

01:27:15.120 u.s marshal badge you can see it in some of the he was wearing a lanyard you can see the lanyard around

01:27:21.120 his neck there and at the end i ended that as a badge and identified him as a u.s marshal

01:27:28.320 and then he had a federal id on his belt okay you can see there yeah right he has some other

01:27:35.200 kind of badge on his belt and you see the badge around his neck and um and that was determined to

01:27:43.040 be fake and somebody from my gavin becker associates which is was doing my security they

01:27:49.600 won't you know the white house will not give me a secret service protection so i you know i've

01:27:54.320 i've retained this this group that's the premier security group in the country and they um and one

01:28:02.720 of their guys looked at that badge and said that's too shiny wow it's not it's not a real badge and so

01:28:10.320 then they he why he called somebody else who was armed and the two of them cornered him and then

01:28:19.040 they called the police and they kept him in the corner they didn't want to grab him because they

01:28:22.880 didn't want to start a shootout and they could see that he had shoulder holsters on and so then the

01:28:30.240 police came and and arrested me he was asking for me oh he was looking for me and he uh he had two

01:28:39.280 shoulder holsters with that were fully loaded uh pistols and then he had you can see that badge on his

01:28:45.440 hip yeah he's badged up huh yeah and then he uh and he had he was also had a backpack that had another

01:28:53.280 weapon in it another gun like a sword he also had knives on him and he had a lot of extra um magazines

01:29:03.120 filled with ammunition so he said afterwards apparently his brother said oh he heard there

01:29:09.920 was a job opening for security but you don't go to a job opening for security with you know all those

01:29:16.240 magazines and guns and knives and two to three pistols his brother who brought him there also was

01:29:23.600 like you know like an armory right they had a whole car filled with with weapons wow i have no idea

01:29:31.840 i don't know what he was looking for but i'll tell you what the thing that you should do is go on his

01:29:37.200 youtube uh-huh i mean his uh tiktok yeah he has a tiktok site that he just opened so he only has one

01:29:45.440 tiktok video on it and it's something just before he comes to see me really yeah if you can find it nick

01:29:52.160 will find it it is uh yeah it because some people want to show up at the end of that thing he says

01:30:00.320 something to the effect of i'm going out to do a job right now and if i don't come back you know it's uh

01:30:09.200 if i don't come back report to your commander donald j trump your commander in chief so it's a very

01:30:17.840 kind of okay well you want to watch this it's about a minute yeah it's worth watching watch it you got

01:30:23.200 to turn the sound up here we got it oh big homie zorro over here i think this is his brother talking to

01:30:34.080 more like god's gangster i hear you're the man with the plan what's the word i got it all

01:30:39.120 actually there's too much to tell you right now so i want you guys to go over to rumble

01:30:48.480 check out icons 2020 sarge i will be speaking with him and alex collier

01:30:56.080 you're not retiring homie you didn't fucking ask me dog i need you support okay so this guy's not

01:31:03.520 doing well huh no yeah my name is this guy doing well and this could also be an advertisement for

01:31:08.480 rumble first name i'm not even joking i would see him go to something like this okay i think i've seen

01:31:14.640 enough but yeah i get it so this guy's like yeah last name and he does this little you know kind of

01:31:21.120 let's see the end suicide by police yeah show the last god i don't know 10 seconds here we go

01:31:32.720 if i don't make it back

01:31:35.680 call the president your commander-in-chief donald j trump

01:31:41.920 and where's he going i didn't see a door over there when it was a wide shot so that's the weird

01:31:45.520 part of he's just walking just over the like by some tool chests wow i mean

01:31:51.120 look dude just i don't know yeah you don't have y'all don't have the best track record with like

01:31:56.560 no you know you mean the family yeah i don't want to say that but yeah i mean and yeah i shouldn't

01:32:02.000 have said it like that but you know it's like is it more scary but you can't live in fear what are

01:32:07.520 you gonna do i'm not gonna live in fear yeah i know yeah it is what it is and um you know but but

01:32:15.040 the the white house should definitely be giving me secret service well can you save your receipts

01:32:20.560 and if you get in there can you get reimbursed or not what can you know oh yeah oh so and i think

01:32:25.920 that's what they're up to that they want to you know bleed me white essentially you know from money

01:32:32.160 perspective but um a i'm the first candidate in history that has requested secret service protection

01:32:40.720 they haven't given to but do they give it to you this early because i read somewhere here's what

01:32:46.240 because the the press has been dishonest about this you're entitled to it they have to give it to you

01:32:53.200 120 days out from the before the the general election if what what circumstances they tell all

01:33:00.400 candidates 120 days okay yeah well you have to have a certain polling number but i've i've surpassed

01:33:06.720 all the thresholds by far okay so um but like my uncle teddy was given uh secret service protection

01:33:15.680 551 days out but he was also a pilot he was like a lifelong politician oh he was a he was a politician

01:33:22.320 but he wasn't even running for president he he was talking about running for president against

01:33:28.480 a president his own party like me carter but carter said you better protect him right away right

01:33:35.360 and even though he hadn't officially declared they gave him secret service protection obama got it

01:33:41.680 450 days out john mccain got it you know four or five hundred days out i'm i think i'm like 300 days out now

01:33:51.840 jesse jackson got it shirley chisholm you go down there's probably 30 of them who've all gotten it

01:33:58.240 long before the 120 days okay and i get you know i mean we gave them a 68 page um yeah i remember reading

01:34:08.000 about that six yeah and why you should have it yeah with phil because i get death threats all the time

01:34:13.760 and you know i had a mentally ill person i break into my house a month ago and and make it to the second

01:34:21.440 floor no are you at your house yeah so oh my god you know i mean so i i they should you would

01:34:29.680 think that the president would uh yeah don't if you know biden can't you just like ask him well

01:34:36.240 we're not on talking terms at the moment okay damn that's a bummer yeah because you think you'd

01:34:42.320 be able to hit him up and be like joey you know yeah i'll trade you an ice cream for a couple of

01:34:46.880 front door goons you know you know what i'm saying a couple of sharpshooters dude i bet you trade you

01:34:52.240 send him a box of mint chocolate chip buddy you'll get whatever you want you think yeah it could be

01:34:57.120 i mean you know i think every man loves to have a dessert um do you think that donald trump will

01:35:03.120 legally be allowed to run in the election yeah i don't think that can stop him from running even if

01:35:08.320 he was in jail yeah he's still entitled to run because there's only you know the the constitution

01:35:14.640 uh the constitution says there's only three things that you got to do to be you have to be

01:35:21.280 a citizen you have to be born here and you have to be over 35 years of age okay and that's it you

01:35:27.520 can be a president there's there's no way to block somebody because they got convicted uh you know it's

01:35:33.360 in the constitution what the criteria is for being president yeah it's funny because i feel like some

01:35:39.280 people like trump because they he just wasn't a politician you know he could have been anybody he

01:35:44.560 could have been a fraggle he could have been a uh mime i think some people just want anything

01:35:50.400 that's not they just something has to change they feel like at the very least i'll vote for something

01:35:56.560 that's not a politician i just feel like people start to feel like this the overall system is so

01:36:02.320 corrupt you know um and i think that's something that's been kind of harrowing just to voters overall

01:36:09.040 um well you know people are people are suffering in this country now yeah we're not you know like

01:36:18.080 i said before when you know with housing our kids are not going to get you know the american promise

01:36:24.720 the american dream was that this promise that if you worked hard you play by the rules you could afford

01:36:31.360 a house you could have a summer vacation you could uh take care of your family and you could put money aside

01:36:38.800 for retirement with one job yeah and there you know my kids that you know i have seven kids you know

01:36:46.000 six of them are in that 20 30 range and not none of them and none of their friends are looking for a

01:36:51.600 house because it's so out of reach and um you know you have a whole generation of kids who now are

01:36:58.880 struggling with the with college debts that are they what they paid for college seven times what i paid

01:37:04.480 they're never going to pay off that college debt and they're never going to own a home for most of

01:37:10.480 these kids and it's like like you know the american dream is gone right and so then what is it if you

01:37:15.760 don't have an american dream then what do you have you know that's i think that's the thing that starts

01:37:19.920 to get sad that that's one of the reasons that people are so angry at both republicans and democrats

01:37:25.760 because there's a level of disintegration in this country and deterioration i mean i

01:37:30.720 you know i do i talk end up talking to a lot of people because of my job you know i i represent

01:37:38.720 a thousand families in columbiana county ohio for the norfolk southern spill oh yeah um and train

01:37:45.040 you know all of these environmental cases i end up talking to people at every level of society and i see

01:37:51.680 the desperation that people are living in it's like you know elderly people now are splitting their

01:37:57.920 prescriptive their drug prescriptions cutting pills in two to make them stretch out the week

01:38:04.080 so they can buy food there's young couples who have a crying baby who have to wonder whether the

01:38:09.760 baby is fifty dollars sick or a hundred dollars sick or fifteen hundred dollars sick before they bring

01:38:14.960 them to a hospital yeah there's people your age and my kids age who um who are choosing between gasoline and

01:38:24.240 food and uh you know there it's a 57 of the people in this country cannot put their hands on a thousand

01:38:32.560 dollars if they have an emergency or somebody like that if the engine light goes on in the car

01:38:39.280 it's the apocalypse yeah because they know they they know they can't afford that mechanic

01:38:44.720 they know okay now i can't get to work i'm gonna lose my job then i'm gonna lose my house and then i'm

01:38:51.680 gonna be like all those people in san francisco who were just regular you know joes yeah and they

01:38:58.640 didn't they weren't drug they weren't drug addicts they weren't mentally ill they just had a string of

01:39:03.680 bad luck the engine light went on their car and they couldn't find the mechanic that's what i feel

01:39:08.560 like i play the engine lights on in this country yeah that's what i feel like well you know when you're

01:39:12.400 you know when you're driving around with your engine on empty oh yeah yeah and you yeah right and you

01:39:18.640 can't think of anything else because you're thinking how am i am i going to be able to get

01:39:22.320 that gas and it it literally makes you stupid it makes you you lose iq because that's all you can

01:39:27.920 think about now put two kids in the back of your car you know one a toddler in a baby seat and another

01:39:34.240 kid and you're now magnifying that anxiety and now you're driving through a bad neighborhood and

01:39:41.040 you're starting to think of all of the bad things that well that's what it's like living paycheck to

01:39:45.680 paycheck and that's what americans are doing and uh it's like most americans wake up every day and

01:39:52.960 with that sense of impending doom and they're it's like they're driving around empty they don't know

01:39:59.520 what's going to happen and they're desperate and they and nobody is listening to them the politicians

01:40:05.680 aren't listening to them for the republican or the democrats and donald trump comes along and says

01:40:11.360 i'm gonna break things and uh and they love him and i get it you know and the democrats can't

01:40:17.440 understand why are all these people liking donald trump that's the reason yeah because you're not

01:40:22.320 listening to them yeah i think and people want anything i'd have voted for i'd vote for a literally

01:40:28.080 a puppet i'd vote for grover i'd vote for anything that wasn't a pilot you know that wasn't a career

01:40:34.000 politician because i'm just so over it and you see these shows like painkiller and like um yeah that one on

01:40:40.720 hulu too the one that i can't remember yeah what is it called the uh uh one about the sacklers yeah

01:40:46.560 yeah at pharma if that show didn't ruin your faith in taking care of people in this country it's

01:40:55.120 on real man i hate to use that language but it made me so mad bro yeah it just made me so mad how

01:41:01.840 compromised we are how it feels you know um because if we're not even out here caring about each other

01:41:08.560 than what are we even doing you know that's what it starts to feel like it's like if we're not out

01:41:13.200 here trying to do something like then what are we we're just then what you know i'm just out here

01:41:19.120 to have a nice car it's just i don't know man yeah it's it's about is it about we're just here to

01:41:25.440 make a big pile for ourselves and whoever dies with the most stuff wins yeah but we've proven that

01:41:30.480 there's no value in it it's like it's been proven over and over again that there's no value in it

01:41:35.520 you know um when you uh when you come across people like that right on your campaign trail

01:41:43.360 and you like what do you offer them what type of hope do you offer them well you know i think

01:41:49.120 that's why i have because i mean i have specific things that i'm going to do to make well i mean

01:41:55.920 like with housing what one of the things i'm going to do is i'm going to make a three percent

01:42:02.240 mortgage available to every american for a single family home oh if you right now you know you're

01:42:09.840 going to pay seven or eight or nine percent i'm going to cut that down so your mortgage for the

01:42:15.920 average home two hundred fifteen thousand or four hundred thousand dollars a thousand dollars a month

01:42:20.800 which people can afford and it's going to allow you to compete and your kids to compete with blackrock

01:42:26.160 i'm going to change the tax code to make it more difficult for them to you know to buy up all the

01:42:32.880 single family homes which is not good for democracy not good for our country you know if you have a rich

01:42:39.040 uncle you can get a who will co-sign your mortgage you can get a much cheaper mortgage rate because the

01:42:48.080 bank is looking at his credit rating you know his perfect credit rating rather than your so it's like

01:42:53.840 nepotism kind of oh you know they're and what i'm going to do is i'm going to give everybody a rich

01:42:59.520 uncle which is uncle sam i'm going to get the u.s government to co-sign your mortgage now if you

01:43:05.440 default and the government owns your house so no foul no loss but it's going to allow you to stay in that

01:43:13.120 house and you know i'm going to give the first half no 500 000 to teachers because we need to start

01:43:18.400 supporting the teachers in this country but to make them available to all americans who want a single

01:43:22.960 family home because we need widespread home ownership thomas jefferson said american democracy

01:43:29.120 can only survive if they're if it's based on on tens of thousands of independent freeholds owned by

01:43:36.400 individual americans and you know not big corporations the aristocratic the feudal model

01:43:43.200 where the billionaires own the landscapes and we all are you know we were no longer citizens we're now

01:43:48.720 you know we're now uh subjects or not you know we're serfs on our in our own country yeah that's

01:43:55.360 what it feels like it feels like we're subjects and the lords won't even tell us who they are

01:43:58.320 yeah exactly that's the sickest part at least show your fucking face you know at least let me know who's

01:44:04.400 you know it's like that's what it feels like a lot of times um i know you went and visited the border

01:44:09.760 we had a border patrol security uh we had a gentleman on here who was the head of the border

01:44:15.200 patrol oh chris clam no this guy he had retired uh roy via real okay he came on here this is two

01:44:21.680 years ago and he was talking about one of the biggest issues that he was noticing at the border

01:44:25.760 this was in arizona that was his jurisdiction was that um they people were getting the the the

01:44:31.840 legislative branches weren't working well so like they would arrest people but they weren't

01:44:35.680 prosecuting them so they would get just the same people back over and over again so it seemed like

01:44:40.320 such a goose chase um well it's gotten a hundred times worse now wow because now that people are

01:44:45.840 just i mean i was there between 2 and 4 a.m in the morning i watched 300 people just walk across and

01:44:53.520 then the border patrol brings them to the airport and um you know they brought they fingerprint them

01:44:58.080 if they're criminal then they go into a different you know line but the rest of them are brought to the

01:45:02.720 yuma airport given a um uh uh ticket to any place they want to go in the united states and then we

01:45:11.440 pay for it if they don't have the money for it and you know they've 110 000 planted in new york and

01:45:16.560 this is a humanitarian crisis i i talked to the people who are coming over they've been exploited

01:45:22.240 extorted beaten what's what's happened is the the whole thing's run by the mexican drug cartel we

01:45:27.360 saw the buses they have white buses the cartel owns 55 people a bus they pick them up in mexicali

01:45:34.720 and they bring them to the border and they let them out the people who come out are from every

01:45:40.080 country they're not you know they're right they're from all over and they have to pay the cartels from

01:45:44.400 asia right they have to pay the cartels to get through their land 50 well right but they pay them

01:45:50.960 usually up front 10 to 15 000 to get them across the united states and the cartels are advertising

01:45:57.280 all over the world and they're advertising on youtube tiktok they're telling you exactly what's

01:46:03.760 going to happen to you they come across and then what happens is they're given by the border patrol

01:46:09.840 the board there's nine border patrol committed suicide because that what they're being asked to

01:46:14.480 do is not their job they're just escorting people seven million people have come across illegally in

01:46:20.480 three years and legal immigration during that period was 3.1 million so the cartels are literally

01:46:26.960 controlling our immigration policy and uh well what's the solution to it we have a video that i

01:46:33.600 made you know an 18 minute video that shows what happened but but you were only down there for what

01:46:38.160 how long were you down there for i was there for three days okay and then um you know and then we've

01:46:43.120 been dealing you know we made the film we you know i've been writing a lot about it researching it and

01:46:48.320 it can totally be be uh shut down overnight they're not and what happens is people think what well there

01:46:55.920 you go there's a big all those people are watching but i just wonder is that a long enough like time

01:47:01.680 to go see it like three days is that a real i had three intense days of first of all the first night

01:47:07.200 watching all these people come and then spending the next days with local law enforcement local sheriff's

01:47:12.560 department the ice the border patrol all the local medical systems the doctors and doing you

01:47:19.200 know interviews no it's good to talk with those people that's why we wanted the guy because we

01:47:22.720 kept hearing the border but it gets it gets like becomes like this political like red rover that that

01:47:28.320 that different parties use and you never know what's going on that's why we wanted a border patrol

01:47:32.160 agent in so we could really see what happens there's a guy called chris klem who was the head of the

01:47:36.480 border patrol at yuma and he's fantastic and he's giving us advice but you know what happens is a lot

01:47:44.800 of the democrats think oh we're being kind to these people by letting them in but then we're not in fact

01:47:50.880 what happens is they're given a court date for seven years in the future to go to the asylum court

01:47:56.480 so they have seven years in this country where they're they have no legal status so they're not allowed to

01:48:03.760 work so they um they they work for five or seven you know you have unscrupulous employers yeah i'm

01:48:10.000 five or six bucks an hour and then you know they're they're employed on construction sites in new york

01:48:16.560 the employee of the construction company that's employing them is competing for bids against the union

01:48:22.560 labor company ah and he can you because he's paying six bucks an hour right so but just but just as guilty

01:48:30.080 as the as the people who are undermining the system right as they are of undermining the system

01:48:37.200 people can have their own like uh social beliefs about it but there is guilt of undermining what

01:48:42.240 the system is that's in place but those the people that pay them to work are also guilty right if they're

01:48:49.280 yeah i mean what i you know what here's what i would do and first of all you need you need to hire a

01:48:56.320 thousand asylum judges and they you need to adjudicate before people come in once they come

01:49:01.120 in they're entitled to stay here get a court date put them right on the border like judge you exactly

01:49:06.640 and they adjudicate right there and um and and then it will shut down the border and but most of the

01:49:12.320 people 99 of the people we interviewed didn't even have an asylum claim they just said i'm here to work

01:49:17.360 right i want a job right and so they you know they are not inside they have to come through the regular

01:49:22.400 line like everybody else legally yeah that's what's fair is just doing it legally because you can't

01:49:26.960 keep if you don't have accounting and inventory of your business then you're bound to go yeah you

01:49:32.480 know i'll tell you how you shut it down overnight and this is what i'm going to do the day i get into

01:49:37.760 office i'm going to waive passport fees for all any american who can't afford it now what that means is

01:49:46.400 if you can get a passport card i don't know if you've seen i got one it looks like a license right

01:49:51.280 it's a federal id with your picture on it and the problem is it costs 65 and there's some paperwork

01:49:59.520 attached that makes it difficult for very poor people to get them and so there's a lot of people

01:50:06.640 in our country who are poor particularly in cities who don't drive cars they don't have a driver's

01:50:11.200 license they have no government issued id now if you don't have a government issued id you're a second

01:50:17.520 class citizen you cannot open a bank account which means you're using you know the the uh paycheck

01:50:23.200 uh you know companies that take 10 of your social security check the cashier check you can't get on

01:50:31.520 an airplane you can't stay at a hotel you can't visit your kids at school and um so what i'm going

01:50:38.480 to do there's 33 000 post office in this country i'm going to make it very easy for any american citizen

01:50:44.400 who can't afford it to go down to the local post office and get a passport id once they do that

01:50:50.960 you now tell employers you cannot hire somebody unless they have that passport id that will shut

01:50:57.440 down the border overnight because nobody's going to come through if they know they cannot get a job

01:51:01.840 because now you're probably now you can prosecute employers right now what they do the employer

01:51:07.360 construction firm in new york they they're just they don't care if you're legal or illegal

01:51:12.080 they just want somebody who's cheap as possible and that they can check the box

01:51:17.360 so they ask for social security card the social security card has no picture on it they're easily

01:51:23.680 fabricated and they're handed you know passed down from person to person oh yeah those things are nuts

01:51:29.040 right and so you can't put the employer in jail because he says hey i i got a social security card but

01:51:35.920 now you're telling the employer the employer it's illegal for the employer to do it do it right now you're

01:51:41.440 saying you got to have a passport card or you're going to jail okay that at that point all illegal

01:51:47.600 employment dries up overnight nobody is going to employ somebody with the risk of going to prison

01:51:53.680 and but and one other thing it'll do is that um it will solve a lot of the anxieties that people have

01:52:01.600 republicans particularly about voting because they say oh you know these people are coming in and

01:52:07.760 they're voting people are voting without id and they're double voting they're committing voting

01:52:12.160 fraud well now everybody has an id and you can't have any of that kind of voting fraud

01:52:17.120 and and the democrats support it i mean the democrats will support it although biden won't sign

01:52:23.280 this bill but um but you know the big civil rights leaders like andy young al sharpton are all behind

01:52:29.200 this idea this idea so we can solve all these problems and the anxieties and the debate about

01:52:36.240 the voting system and whether you need id or not to vote right now democrats oppose id laws and the

01:52:43.440 reason they they oppose it is they say if you get if you force people to show an id you're disenfranchising

01:52:50.720 a lot of students who don't have driver's license you're disenfranchising poor people who live in the

01:52:56.320 city who don't have driver's license and there's other people in the country elderly people a lot

01:53:02.720 of their license have lapsed so they don't have id and you disenfranchise all of those those are all

01:53:07.120 democrats so the democrats say we shouldn't have id laws now we've got civil rights leaders who are

01:53:13.280 saying yeah let's have ids to vote but let's give everybody an id so everybody can get one right then

01:53:19.280 nobody has an excuse and nobody has an excuse yeah what do you say to so some people would say that

01:53:25.120 that that it that takes away some of the old like adage and the old like uh romantic idea of like

01:53:32.160 um you can come to america and you can make it here does that does that do that by making the

01:53:38.080 border because what are you doing making the border more organized you're not saying there's no country

01:53:42.000 in the world that that has an insecure border yeah you gotta i think it's we have we have to be able to

01:53:49.120 control who comes in now what i would do i think we should have high fences but wide gates we should

01:53:56.080 let a lot of people in legally make it much easier to get citizenship um and make sure that there's

01:54:03.120 plenty of people to you know to uh to for employers etc so that we can keep our country humming yeah right

01:54:11.840 and but we should be able to select who comes through not have the mexican drug cartel select i agree

01:54:18.240 it's a good point no it's i mean it's disheartening it's very scary to think that anybody can just come

01:54:22.560 in you know i mean i know that we're all here and we're blessed to be here i just think it needs to

01:54:27.040 be organized um remember when reagan had that plan that couldn't you sponsor people that were coming

01:54:32.320 in well you still can you know that people that'd be awesome bro well but you still can do that i mean

01:54:39.280 legally 3.1 million people are coming across and a lot of them are coming across on visas that require

01:54:45.920 them to have a sponsor because their employment visas yeah an employer says we need this guy we

01:54:51.520 need to bring him from uzbekistan let's bring him i want hector i'll sponsor hector to sponsor your

01:54:56.880 family member submit a u.s citizen united states citizenship and immigration services form 130 each

01:55:02.640 person you sponsor needs a separate form 130 huh let me ask you this how long we should sponsor one as a

01:55:08.400 podcast how long has your family been in this country let me see my father came over in 1922 i

01:55:16.800 think from where from nicaragua and my mother i don't know when she came probably probably she's

01:55:22.720 been here for like 100 200 150 years so and what what like ethnic group is she um let me see polish

01:55:31.040 italian and nicaraguan that's what i am so she's nicaraguan is that hispanic or is it indian or

01:55:38.160 um it's actually it's a good question it's uh it's a little bit of both i think it's part aztec maybe

01:55:43.200 i gotta check and see but the mesquite indians are down there are they oh yeah dude that's probably me

01:55:49.680 then um i gotta see my but i remember my father's birth certificate um but have you ever done like

01:55:56.000 23 and me or anything like that yeah i've done it i don't know what they said they email me so much

01:56:00.960 they're like guess who's allergic to milk in your area they're always sending me like weird emails

01:56:04.720 now you know yeah i know i and i don't trust them really yeah so now they get all my stuff yeah guess

01:56:10.720 who hates guess who hates cinnamon rolls on your street you know they're like what what does this

01:56:15.360 matter is it a cousin or not i went hiking this morning with tulsi gabbard

01:56:19.440 you went hiking with her yeah and i was and i was asking her about her you know her ethnic

01:56:25.200 background and she said she did 23 she actually did a there's a tv show where they um they they

01:56:33.200 investigate your background oh yeah they do it with celebrities i thought i think barrymore was on it

01:56:37.920 yeah and she did that oh that's cool and they said um that she had the most ethnically diverse

01:56:45.040 background that they'd ever run into wow she is uh she is uh art samoan so she's polynesian yeah i

01:56:52.720 like that yeah that's fantastic and she uh but then she's got everything else you know she's got the

01:57:00.320 whole like every country in europe i wish i could be samoan i wish i could be mexican sometimes sometimes

01:57:05.840 um maybe next life you know um what will keep you say you get into office bobby right like what keeps

01:57:12.000 you right a guy that is trying to do it his way how do you get um sabotaged how do guys get sabotaged

01:57:20.480 once they get into office like how do people get calm like their values and their goals and stuff get

01:57:25.600 commandeered and stuff well a lot of people you know that happens to them but um i you know i've been

01:57:32.800 fighting corporations for 40 years yeah and i've been suing these agencies so probably 20 i've sued

01:57:38.960 almost every one of these agencies dot yeah usda department of agriculture epa nih fda dts sue her

01:57:48.400 yeah so uh you know i feel like i know better than anybody else about how to unravel the corporate

01:57:55.280 capture and you know i'm not interested in anything they got nothing they can offer me yeah you know

01:58:00.880 the only thing i'm concerned with is good government and making sure that our kids you

01:58:06.560 know love america the way that i love and have hope for their future and that's you know they're

01:58:11.760 i mean literally i can't think of anything that anybody could give me to buy me off there's nothing

01:58:19.680 i want you know i have everything that i want and i just um you know i want to i i want to do the right

01:58:26.160 thing and i you know i think there's other people i think tulsi is the same way i don't think she has

01:58:31.280 any personal ambition um i think she just you know she loves our country and um i think there's other

01:58:38.560 politicians out there too who can't be bought but most of them can do you stay with the dim and in fact

01:58:45.360 the entire political process has been bought of running to office is a training school for teaching you

01:58:52.000 how to get bought yeah so it's what it seems like it's like where the fucking warriors who want to

01:58:59.280 die like for something that means something yeah you know i'm with you i don't know i mean i guess i

01:59:06.400 don't know we all get it's all it's it's hard to it's we live in a place where that's what we've built

01:59:12.560 it's part of that you that things can be compromised uh the last question i have is um where do um

01:59:19.360 if you how do you know if you are going to stay running with the democratic party if you have to

01:59:23.920 make another choice well i have to make that choice by october 15th okay so i'm just going to see what

01:59:30.000 they do if they open up the process all stay in and then you know and then i have to see what i have

01:59:36.160 to see if they don't close it then i don't know exactly what i'll do i'm proud of you man i'm just

01:59:41.680 excited to know you've always been uh you've always just been a nice guy man you've always been

01:59:45.760 um someone i could rely on and so i just appreciate uh you just being willing to come

01:59:51.280 back on and spend time with us and help us learn about um the election process and stuff i think

01:59:56.320 even if listening to you helps us you know a lot of people like me just learn who aren't as up to

02:00:02.400 you know skew on politics and um yeah man certainly uh happy to get to spend time with

02:00:08.080 you and congratulations man i'm proud of you yeah thanks for having back yeah

02:00:12.720 tell your boys i said what's up it's always a pleasure it's always a pleasure being with you

02:00:16.000 yeah yeah thanks bobby i'll talk to you soon now i'm just floating on the breeze and i feel i'm

02:00:22.000 falling like these leaves i must be cornerstone

02:00:27.200 oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found i can feel it

02:00:35.920 in my bones

02:00:39.200 but it's gonna tell you

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - September 25, 2023

E464 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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