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00:01:49.040 for the support amen today's guest is a professional pitcher for more than 10 years in major league

00:01:55.360 baseball um he was the winner of the golden spikes award in college for the best collegiate baseball

00:02:01.920 player of the year um he's won the cy young he's been an all-star uh he's recently played in japan

00:02:08.160 because of some interesting circumstances um i'm really grateful to learn about what the past few

00:02:14.800 years of his life have been like and to get to know him uh today's guest is mr trevor bauer

00:02:33.840 i've been singing

00:02:49.920 these are sm7 sm70 yeah okay i know these mics yeah you know a lot about this this uh these stuff you know

00:03:01.360 more than i do okay yeah i got into photography back in 2017 started learning about it and then

00:03:09.200 started the media company momentum in 2019 so i had to you know buy cameras and lenses and figure all

00:03:15.760 the stuff out so i learned about it your tripods are in a lot nicer condition than ours we put them

00:03:20.400 in the cage where like baseballs are flying so the legs are all bent and broken oh yeah um yeah thanks

00:03:27.920 dude yeah i i could probably learn from you i could literally probably go watch uh one of your youtube

00:03:33.360 videos and learn more about our own equipment so maybe i should do that um do you like to know

00:03:38.880 everything about stuff kind of like it like well i guess if you're starting your own media company if

00:03:44.240 you because you have your own youtube channel yeah yeah you like it it's good i enjoy it um started it to

00:03:49.520 try to entertain baseball fans um so that's what we try to do i think we do a pretty good job we can do

00:03:56.000 better always trying to get better but yeah it's fun that's what i enjoy doing so yeah going to work

00:04:00.720 every day and try to make some some sort of fun content entertain people yeah i saw some videos on

00:04:07.200 there you were having fun with some of the japanese players because yeah yeah yeah yeah they were uh

00:04:13.680 it's it's kind of interesting because they don't speak the same language so the same the type of you

00:04:19.520 know banter back and forth that you normally have you can't really have so the banter becomes a

00:04:23.840 little bit more like body language and facial expression so it was a challenge to like get that

00:04:29.440 there but it's also fun you know it's like a new experience and like baseball is kind of a universal

00:04:34.080 language so yeah they kind of understood and i understood it was it was a cool experience yeah it's

00:04:39.360 fun when you don't speak the same because even you just have to make a look or do something with your

00:04:43.120 hands like everybody everybody's like a mime all of a sudden yeah yeah the uh the kind of subtle cues

00:04:48.560 of human behavior become more important the the facial expressions the body language the like you

00:04:54.720 know pauses you know stuff like that and the i love the moment when you and another person who

00:05:00.480 speak a different language realize neither one of you knows how to say what you want to say yeah so

00:05:05.360 the side that just like yeah it gets that moment you're like oh okay uh you just kind of maybe i

00:05:12.960 should thank you for your time and try somewhere else um and you were playing in japan right yeah

00:05:18.800 yeah hajimimashite have you ever heard that what is it hajimimashite uh i'm sure i heard it i don't

00:05:27.360 i think it's i think it means our friendship begins can you look it up nick just if you get a chance

00:05:33.040 i one time got to go to japan i was a student on this thing called semester at sea and so we you would

00:05:38.400 go on a cruise ship and um it was in college and you would go to different countries around the

00:05:44.400 world that's cool um our friendship begins uh what does she does she no yum yeah me are

00:05:54.960 okay so a little off

00:05:57.040 a little off right um but we got to go um and i worked like in the bookstore on this cruise ship

00:06:03.200 or this school is a floating university called semester at sea that's cool yeah it was pretty

00:06:07.520 exceptional and um we got to go on we went to kobe or osaka yeah and then we got to go on a homestay

00:06:15.120 where you would go and stay with a family for a couple nights was that down in osaka too yeah okay

00:06:20.320 osaka's cool area is it yeah they're uh the beef there is incredible yeah like uh it's just we played

00:06:27.440 there a couple different times throughout the year and um there's a hotel that like all the npb

00:06:33.600 teams stay at because they serve like the dinner and stuff there's like kobe beef and like specialized

00:06:39.760 to osaka area it's so good it's so good and uh yeah because that wagyu beef that came out of there

00:06:46.480 right at japan where's that from bring it up nick um yeah that wagyu beef and everybody's like wag

00:06:53.200 three years ago people started going crazy what is wagyu beef a japanese beef cattle

00:06:58.080 derived from native asian cattle wagyu refers to all japanese beef cattle where why means japanese and

00:07:07.600 gu means cow wow wagyu were originally draft animals used in agriculture and were selected for their

00:07:14.960 physical endurance wow so they picked some real gangster meat you know it's the fatty it's the

00:07:20.160 the intramuscular fat cells marbling so it's uh you get that um really rich texture god i want that

00:07:31.360 you know it's delicious yeah maybe not be the best thing for you for like an athlete but it's uh

00:07:36.480 taste-wise it's really hard to beat and uh when you say npb what is the teams in jip in japan called

00:07:42.800 so there's 12 teams um nippon professional baseball um that's so npb just like major league baseball

00:07:50.160 um there's two leagues there's pacific league central league six teams in each um you got

00:07:55.920 different team names like the you know the bay stars giants um tigers stuff like that so everyone

00:08:03.840 it's kind of similar to mlb just smaller uh you know not as many teams and how uh how was your team

00:08:11.120 we were good we made playoffs um unfortunately we lost our first two game of playoffs and got eliminated

00:08:15.360 um but uh no we had a good we had a good team a lot of talented guys um a lot of funny guys that

00:08:22.640 they're super welcoming too which was which was great um i mean the organization as a whole making

00:08:29.440 sure that foreign players have translators around even down to like hey what kind of food do you guys

00:08:36.000 like um trying to have that in the meal spreads um just welcoming housing yeah yeah and japan i mean

00:08:44.320 if you've been there you know like it's super clean the people are super polite super nice like

00:08:49.040 culturally it's it's very different than the united states in a lot of different ways and that was one

00:08:53.360 of the things that really stood out is like how nice yeah people are oh yeah dude on the homestay that

00:09:00.000 i went on so you got to go stay with a family for a couple nights yeah so i show up over there uh i they

00:09:06.240 speak japanese i'm i barely speak english right and so we're just like dude it's so it's like real quiet

00:09:12.720 and they made like a little meal for me yeah and uh we just sat around this little table on the floor

00:09:17.440 and ate did you so did you have to sit on the floor yeah i think they might have put some wick

00:09:21.600 like a thin mat yeah and we sat there and then um i guess when i walked in i gave the lady just a hug

00:09:29.200 and a kiss just on the cheek yeah just kind of how i am um and throughout the next couple days she

00:09:36.000 would have her friends come over oh just so i would hug and kiss them on the cheek she was like

00:09:41.680 linda linda and like the doorbell would ring and she'd be like do it you know and so i have to and

00:09:48.320 she just kept having friends come so i would give them i think they just thought it was interesting

00:09:52.960 and then they let me sleep in their room i think like and i think they slept in the wall or something

00:09:58.080 i swear they're like they stood up and like in the wall all night and just didn't sleep that's crazy so i

00:10:03.840 could sleep like it's just a lot of um i don't know if it's like sacrifice or just

00:10:10.320 extreme respect i don't know what do you feel like it is you don't you don't try to explain respect

00:10:16.240 deference um they so they they what i've what i learned and i i could be wrong about this this is

00:10:24.320 just what i've been told and explained because obviously i didn't grow up there and all that stuff

00:10:27.760 but um they care a lot about the good of like the group as opposed like over the

00:10:33.680 good of the individual yeah so if the individual needs to sacrifice something to make the group

00:10:38.000 environment better the individual is expected or or used to offering to sacrifice so it makes

00:10:44.000 sense like if you have a guest in your house and they could be more comfortable sleeping on the bed

00:10:49.520 and you can spend a couple nights not sleeping on the bed i can totally see how that would be

00:10:53.520 how that would be a thing yeah it was baffling man i was just it was like

00:10:57.360 i felt so respected yeah it it was it was pretty fascinating i had a similar experience i you know

00:11:04.080 they were so respectful that i was like no no i'm i'm no better than you guys like i'm just another

00:11:10.400 like we can just be person to person here and it's not that i'm like above you or something i almost felt

00:11:15.360 like i was viewed as being above other people and i don't like that i just like i just like to like

00:11:20.400 i'm not better than you or anyone else i'm just a normal person let's just like interact on a fair

00:11:25.360 playing field level playing field here yeah i don't like being like looked down on by people

00:11:29.520 and i don't like being put on a pedestal by people and i know they didn't do it intentionally but it

00:11:34.240 almost felt like half the time the interactions i did have with people even just you know fans out in

00:11:39.440 in the community taxi drivers uh waitresses um hosts stuff like that i almost felt like i was on a

00:11:47.120 pedestal and it was a little uncomfortable for me yeah yeah but it's cool like that they

00:11:52.160 they you know there is that respect and there is that like deference to the other person um yeah

00:11:58.560 they're almost excited they're almost so excited to like respect you yeah or to show you how

00:12:03.200 respectful yeah that's a good way of putting it yeah um wow what what what uh uh interesting

00:12:08.720 experiences to get to go in and be there yeah like how was it overall it was great um i've always

00:12:16.320 wanted to do that um so i had an experience in 2009 um played on collegiate team usa and we had a

00:12:26.480 five game series against the collegiate japan team and so we played over in japan played at like five

00:12:31.120 different stadiums were there for i think 12 days they were packing stadiums like 40 000 people

00:12:37.360 for a college baseball game now i'm coming from west coast baseball which doesn't have the type of

00:12:42.800 fan following as like the sec does we we draw like some nights 50 people to a game some nights like

00:12:48.800 a couple hundred people at ucla and i'm going to this stadium this professional stadium the tokyo dome

00:12:54.240 and there's 40 000 people or something in the tokyo dome for a college baseball game it was crazy and

00:12:59.520 i remember in 2009 saying like i gotta before my career's done i'm gonna play baseball in japan i'm

00:13:05.600 gonna experience this because the fan culture is so crazy there it's like european soccer there's

00:13:12.080 like packed and chanting and the passion everything like that but like images for a baseball game

00:13:17.600 bands playing non-stop like that was college ball that was college ball as you know the japanese style

00:13:23.520 they had a band for the japanese team but they also provided a band for the american team so we had

00:13:28.160 a band playing for us even though we were the visiting team which is which is the most japanese thing

00:13:34.640 ever it was it was awesome um so yeah i've always wanted to do it i you know was happy to have the

00:13:41.040 opportunity to do that um the travel is different the the baseball even like the technical little

00:13:46.480 details of the game like the way it's played what's emphasized is different fan culture like it's it was

00:13:53.760 such a great experience um the food i'm a huge sushi fan so like the first time i went in 2009 i didn't

00:13:59.760 have sushi and it was because i didn't have a translator with me and i didn't know what i was

00:14:04.160 ordering and i had heard back then that if there's certain types of fish that if you eat it and it's

00:14:07.680 not cut right you can die like puffer fish or something oh yeah i heard that rumor going around

00:14:11.680 too people were saying that in our neighborhood and shit i'm like dude none of us are going to eat any

00:14:15.600 puffer fish you know what i'm saying but i couldn't tell what it was on the menu because i didn't read

00:14:20.080 you know google translate didn't exist back then in 2009 so i didn't have sushi and that was one of my

00:14:25.040 regrets so i ate a lot of sushi this past year to make up for it yeah dude i remember people like

00:14:30.400 bro can't have any puffer fish man if it ain't cut right you could die i'm like dude we could

00:14:35.440 fucking we're we're lucky to split a jimmy john tomorrow like let's be real like nobody's bringing

00:14:41.760 puffer fish in our neighborhood dude like some people are just obtuse man yeah um so i want to

00:14:48.960 know like how you kind of started in baseball because like like i i think everybody kind of like there's

00:14:53.600 this like ambiance in the universe like there's a lot of information in the world about how you

00:14:58.240 ended up like having to go to japan or one of the you know like the some of the overall reasons

00:15:02.880 because you weren't allowed back in major league baseball yeah but how did you like get into

00:15:07.680 baseball like like when you were like who brought it to you first like what brought it what brought

00:15:13.040 baseball to you i think like my earliest memory of baseball is i had this little plastic bat called

00:15:20.000 fat bat it was maybe a foot and a half long had a you know big old barrel plastic bat wiffle ball bat

00:15:26.080 and i remember being out in the front yard at my house and my dad would toss me a wiffle ball and i

00:15:31.280 would you know i would hit the ball and run around the yard and we had this little like

00:15:37.760 brick wall that was maybe like you know one cinder block or two cinder blocks high so i'd always try

00:15:43.200 try to hit the ball over that for a home run so i must have been two years old or something at that

00:15:48.560 point um i think i was always just drawn to it i always wanted to you know like when i was growing

00:15:56.320 up what i wanted to go do was play baseball practice baseball i was always out in the front yard

00:16:01.760 playing pickle or three flies you're up with some of the neighborhood kids you know some people go out

00:16:05.440 and play basketball or football or whatever like we played baseball on my block so and where was

00:16:10.320 that at where were you guys living i was up in valencia okay yeah in california um what's it

00:16:15.280 like there what's valencia like dude there's tumbleweeds when we moved out there like open plots and

00:16:21.040 now it's all malls and shopping centers and stuff like that but really nice community lots of trees

00:16:26.240 but like planned uh neighborhoods and stuff so we actually lived uh maybe like a five minute bike ride

00:16:32.720 from uh one of the public parks up there so when i was growing up i just ride my bike with a bucket of

00:16:37.920 baseballs up to the park safe community everyone you know you just run around it's a different world

00:16:43.200 back then i'm 33 now so i'm talking you know 30 years ago i'd be up and down the paseos and out all

00:16:49.040 day and um yeah i i love valencia um parents still live there i still go back all the time oh nice man

00:16:56.480 yeah so you get out there and ball you can so and that was just the sport that you kind of took to

00:17:01.040 yeah i played soccer um i guess or football depending on where you are in the world um but

00:17:06.800 uh played that until high school um but when i got to high school i was in like ap classes and

00:17:12.560 playing baseball and i have time for soccer and i was always just much more drawn to baseball anyway

00:17:17.680 so yeah never really played any other sports just been baseball pretty much my whole life did you

00:17:22.400 collect the cards too uh i collected baseballs and autographs more than cards so my dad and i would

00:17:27.920 go to spring training every year we'd make the drive it's like six hours from la to to arizona

00:17:32.640 for oh for the diamondbacks uh diamond there's a bunch of people out there diamondbacks um i mean

00:17:38.160 actually i remember when they just put the royals and the rangers facility out there and they started

00:17:41.600 moving in but the oakland a's cubs have been out there forever brewers like a whole bunch of teams

00:17:46.560 i think there's 15 or 16 teams out in spring training in arizona now here we go right here you

00:17:51.120 have white socks a yeah giants wow some great teams yeah um did you ever get to see mark grace out there

00:17:56.640 um no i don't remember if i saw mark grace but uh i remember when each row came over i guess kind

00:18:05.040 of drawing the japanese connection but i remember when like each row first came to the mariners

00:18:09.760 and we're like oh there's this like new guy from japan that's supposed to be really good and it's

00:18:14.400 just kind of sensation and then uh i remember standing there with a ball outside of the fence at

00:18:20.080 spring training like each row each row trying to get a an autograph um and then he went on to be like

00:18:25.680 just the best hitter that's ever lived or something you know and we had no idea that he's going to be

00:18:29.440 that successful but i remember being a little kid and just standing there spring training watching

00:18:33.360 the guys did he sign the ball i don't think i think he was um i think he was off to another field or

00:18:39.280 something i don't remember we had no we had to know that's why yeah um yeah so that was your world

00:18:45.360 and so you and then you just became good at it like like did you love did you just love practicing it

00:18:50.400 so much like how did it yeah i love practicing i love i just like doing anything baseball related

00:18:55.680 so i was always thinking about it i was always out playing it so i think i developed some skills

00:18:59.760 that way and i was always like good ish but i was never the best guy you know i never made like the

00:19:05.680 best tournament team or the best all-star team wow even in my freshman year of high school i was like

00:19:10.800 not the the ace pitcher um but i also love like math and physics and i took a class in ninth

00:19:18.480 grade with a guy martin kirby is in uh physics class martin kirby martin kirby's a british guy

00:19:23.920 okay so he had this accent and like he made class really really fun yeah yeah yeah yeah the brits

00:19:30.480 dude you just fucking believe them you know you know they go home and drink but he had a he had

00:19:35.280 a picture um so he used to be a smoker actually and he quit cold turkey one day but he put two packs

00:19:40.480 of cigarettes in his mouth lit them all at the same time so he had that picture on the wall like just him

00:19:45.840 with two packs of cigarettes in his mouth and he said he like got so sick after that that he just

00:19:50.240 never wanted to smoke again damn but yeah he's a he's it was such a fun class and i started learning

00:19:56.400 about like physics and how leverage works and velocity and energy transfer and momentum and all

00:20:02.960 that and i started trying to take class and apply it to baseball and at the same time i went down to

00:20:07.040 a training facility in texas actually for the first time it's a texas baseball ranch yeah and uh they

00:20:12.960 were talking about some of the same concepts momentum and um energy transfer and whip and

00:20:18.640 all this different stuff and so i that was really when i started my like my true devoted like baseball

00:20:25.840 development where i was trying to take academics and apply it to baseball and use the scientific

00:20:31.200 method to like get myself better oh damn so you brought some real homeschool energy yeah man i mean

00:20:37.040 that's but so so that was something that like that took a once that got added in like this

00:20:42.880 other kind of world of it that you could start to see while you were doing it and stuff and equate

00:20:47.120 yeah then you really i really kind of lit you up that's when it took that's how my brain works too

00:20:51.760 because i like i need to have something that i'm chasing some like i'm here i want to go there i

00:20:57.840 need to plot a course and like am i getting closer to my target or not like that's how my brain works

00:21:02.000 so as soon as i had like i knew i always wanted to play in college that was my goal i never well

00:21:08.000 my goal growing up was just to play on the high school team then once i made my freshman team i was

00:21:12.160 like okay i want to play in college and that was really when my development was starting so i was

00:21:16.800 like okay i want to get to college i'm currently a freshman in high school i'm throw this hard i have

00:21:22.000 this pitch i have this command whatever like i need to improve these skill sets and so then i would

00:21:27.760 wake up in the morning at like 5 30 three times a week and go to the ymca and do like pool workouts

00:21:32.320 i love the ymca don't you yeah yeah we had a membership there i used to lift there and

00:21:37.440 spent a lot of time there as a kid i always love it it just makes me feel like just part of the

00:21:40.880 universe yeah yeah i'm sorry i interrupted you so you would go there and you would uh you would just

00:21:46.240 train practice get ready i'd do that yeah prior to school i'd go do school go straight to practice

00:21:51.360 after school we'd get done at 4 35 o'clock go home do some homework and eat and then usually like

00:21:56.640 seven or eight o'clock i'd go up to the local park and i'd be there for an extra three hours doing

00:22:01.280 whatever workout i was doing or throwing or videoing myself or whatever you know trying to

00:22:06.400 trying to find some way to get better and that's just what i i didn't really like do anything else

00:22:12.240 i didn't have interest in anything else did you have a lot of friends like did you have a social

00:22:15.360 world or you just really did you and was that kind of a choice you think you made or you just kind

00:22:19.840 of get locked in on something and you because a lot of people that become great at something

00:22:23.520 there's there's sacrifices to it yeah people don't realize that yeah um i think uh it was

00:22:29.360 partially that what i wanted to do was baseball so given the choice of going to the mall to hang

00:22:35.440 out on a friday afternoon or going and doing baseball like i was naturally gravitated towards

00:22:39.680 baseball also like i i'm not really the most like social person like a lot of my social interactions

00:22:49.760 i learned a little later in life starting college and pro ball and stuff i just didn't

00:22:54.320 i viewed things differently as a kid i was kind of different i dressed differently i thought about

00:22:58.640 different stuff my sense of humor was different than the normal kids so i struggled i struggled

00:23:03.760 socially um in high school you know junior high all the way up into high school i didn't have a large

00:23:09.200 peer group um you know i was kind of i was part of two different groups i was like part of the athlete

00:23:13.520 group right but i didn't fit in with them because i was also a nerd oh yeah and i didn't really fit in

00:23:17.040 with the nerds because i was a jock and so i kind of got pickled between both of those where i

00:23:21.360 didn't really have a group that i fit in with like clark cant almost in a way you know i mean

00:23:26.720 not not quite as uh as super but yeah but well you would turn out to be oh here you are right

00:23:31.760 there yeah go trevor in this throwback to when the astros didn't have to cheat to win that's it

00:23:37.120 that's cool dude does that does that kid look like uh someone that would fit in so that's actually

00:23:41.680 a uniform like i would wear my baseball like pants and uniform and stuff to school oh yeah then

00:23:46.800 that's so i got i got picked on a lot yeah but also dude if you slid in the fourth period you

00:23:53.280 were a fucking legend i'll tell you that you know if you're the only person that slides head first

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00:26:07.440 um wow so you just loved it that much it kind of became almost or it seems like i'm just being

00:26:12.400 judgmental but um like it became like a sense of pride that you had then yeah or like you identified

00:26:17.920 you really identified as like i think it was my backstop like anything anytime something would happen

00:26:22.960 in life if it was you know i was picked on or bullied or whatever in school like i would go to the

00:26:27.920 park and i would do baseball yeah you know if something was going good in my life i was like

00:26:32.400 okay like i'm excited like i'm gonna go do baseball i bonded with my family over you know on the weekends

00:26:37.600 growing up we'd have tournaments all the time so you'd travel on friday evening or saturday morning

00:26:42.480 two or three hours away you'd play four or five games in a couple days i was out there with my mom

00:26:47.120 and my dad my sister my you know whoever was going sometimes most most of the time it was my dad

00:26:51.200 sometimes my mom sister would come along so i have really good family relationships because of baseball

00:26:55.760 baseball i have like baseball has always kind of been my coping mechanism when something's going

00:27:00.960 wrong i just go do baseball because that's what i know and like i'm good at it and i feel a sense of

00:27:06.720 like accomplishment or progress towards a goal or something like that it's fluid to you it becomes

00:27:11.600 part of your makeup and so you i'm going to go get back to a good homeostasis no matter what's going

00:27:16.560 on highs or lows yeah i think exercise helps tends to help with that in general so because baseball is an

00:27:23.520 active thing i think i got kind of the benefits of both the exercise but also that like centering

00:27:29.920 of myself a lot of people have like video games as they go play or they go watch a netflix show or

00:27:35.040 something like that not saying those things are wrong but i also think that baseball some it's

00:27:39.440 because it was something active i got the physiological benefits of exercising too which i think helps

00:27:45.280 stabilize yeah and why the pitching was the pitching because you have a lot you have some cool

00:27:50.240 pitches man uh i stayed up last night i mean actually really late and then i couldn't sleep

00:27:54.400 i'm like eight days off nicotine right now so i didn't know it was gonna affect bro it like will

00:27:59.760 not let me sleep are you on like you're doing like patches or what's the i'm on nothing dude straight

00:28:04.640 up i'm on just light prayer and just doing my best yeah yeah you know and it's like but i didn't

00:28:12.880 i thought it was like three days it's out of your system dude it is like haunting at night

00:28:17.360 until you're awake and you're like what should i do and then your brain's like maybe you should do

00:28:21.120 some vaping like won't let you it's gone but it won't let you sleep and then it just starts to be

00:28:28.560 like what about maybe a puff or two you think that's a you think that's like a physiological

00:28:32.880 thing or do you think it's a mental thing like your mind wants it or do you think your body's craving

00:28:36.640 it man it's a good question um some of it is a little bit of a bore it's a it habitual like it

00:28:44.320 become a boredom thing i i don't have anything i can't do anything else right now might as well do

00:28:50.000 this so maybe a little bit habitual uh and i think my mind yeah my mind is like oh i'm frustrated i

00:28:58.880 want to be sleeping i can't what can i do uh in frustration because a lot of times i if things

00:29:05.520 were going good or bad vape became like a little bit of a habit i would use interesting um it's

00:29:10.320 interesting to think about though yeah because sometimes people just do things they don't even start to

00:29:13.920 think about why am i doing it you know like what inside of me is like beckoning me to this i'll

00:29:18.960 find myself walking down the street nothing happens i like think that my phone vibrated so i reach in

00:29:25.360 my pocket and check it i'm like oh no no notification put it back in my pocket no more than 30 seconds

00:29:30.800 later i'm like oh someone just texted me but like it's not vibrating there's nothing there and it's just

00:29:34.960 i'm so used to reaching for my phone because of text call social media notification like whatever you

00:29:41.600 get programmed over the years to to reach for your phone so much yeah um so i don't yeah i have the

00:29:46.080 same type of experience with the habitual side of things yeah i think a lot yeah i've had some i've

00:29:51.600 made some poor i mean i had like pornography i got into pretty badly when i was like in my 20s and that

00:29:57.120 was a uh that was a bad habit um vaping has been the tougher one as i have gotten older but i don't drink or

00:30:05.600 do drugs so it's like sometimes i give myself a little bit of a leeway yeah but i just like my own energy's

00:30:10.960 better i'm able to sit and have a more comfortable conversation with people and so at a certain

00:30:15.680 point it's like i have to give it up just because i'm missing out on i'll be short with people you

00:30:21.440 know i won't want to stay in a moment because i want to go vape you know just shit like that

00:30:25.920 you you self-reflect a lot on things like do you look at your own like behaviors and stuff and like

00:30:31.120 analyze yourself or like how do you get that feedback yeah i started doing that more yeah you know

00:30:36.320 i've done like some ayahuasca over the few years and i bring that up a lot but that plant medicine

00:30:40.160 that stuff is really interesting for exactly that it helps me learn um it's not as much time that i

00:30:46.000 spend learning something like say i'll read or write something or or be in a class but it's the time i go

00:30:52.240 sit back with what i've written yeah and be and and have um a relation have like a integration that's

00:30:59.360 what i'm learning is so much more crucial it's like because for so long i was like kind of learning and

00:31:04.640 getting some getting information but a lot of things weren't sticking because the big part i

00:31:08.320 was missing out on was integration interesting you know and so i think that's where some of that comes

00:31:12.960 from and um being in conversations with getting being conversations with some neat people over the

00:31:17.680 years and makes me start to think more yeah um and leads me into like wanting to be more introspective

00:31:24.000 and and wonder why i do things yeah you know um i have a brother that helps me think about that kind

00:31:28.960 of stuff a lot and make me kind of question you know so i start to not only be myself but also

00:31:34.480 uh see myself a little bit if that makes any sense yeah no for sure the the studies on the ayahuasca and

00:31:41.200 the uh mushrooms and stuff like that for brain function like uh treating ptsd and you know past

00:31:50.320 experiences and stuff like that is pretty interesting i'm like i follow it decently closely just because

00:31:55.520 i'm very interested in the effects of like the brain and how you how do you learn something how do you

00:31:59.760 get over something how do you change behaviors stuff like that so yeah it's uh the last couple

00:32:05.280 years has been a lot of cool stuff that's come out about that stuff that was like 10 years ago kind

00:32:09.760 of demonized and looked it was like this really bad thing now we're starting to learn a little bit more

00:32:13.680 like oh this could be useful in like these certain areas yeah there's like shades of gray in there

00:32:18.480 right it's not just like it's good or it's bad it's like it could be a useful tool in certain cases it

00:32:23.680 could be abused in certain cases um yeah it's interesting yeah i love that i love that it's

00:32:29.600 book that kind of stuff becoming like a new modality or whatever whatever term people use for people to

00:32:33.840 try and get well you know yeah because it almost goes really back to our roots like literally back

00:32:38.240 to like it's like native american root medicine yeah that they would use to like really have a better

00:32:44.320 look at themselves kind of um but i i recommend it i think it helps it's helped me a lot in just having

00:32:49.840 different ways to think about things yeah um when did you start being good at bait like when did it

00:32:55.360 start to add up because if you're doing all those unique pitches like some of the like you just have

00:33:00.160 such a cool like assortment of pitches i almost feel like yeah somebody's rolling up to the mound

00:33:05.520 this is from your channel right here yeah oh this is back in uh 11 years ago yeah wow you've had your

00:33:13.040 channel for a long time yeah i started i think 2011 um to do like you know try to connect with

00:33:19.920 baseball fans and like give some information and then i actually stopped it for like six or seven

00:33:25.520 years there from 2013 through maybe 2019 or 2020 i should have kept it going i'd have a lot more

00:33:32.080 subscribers you got a great amount of subscribers 690 000 is amazing yeah um and did what made you stop

00:33:38.240 what was the break was you were you getting busy with baseball no so i actually got in trouble

00:33:42.560 uh so i when i was growing up i in high school in college i watched a guy named tim lincecum and i

00:33:49.120 like studied everything about him wait do you play for the giants yeah yeah and i from his college film

00:33:55.840 his giants film minor league film like i can still close my eyes and picture like the exact delivery from

00:34:03.760 a time from a video from university of washington he was throwing it was like 40 degrees that night

00:34:10.320 half long sleeve like i can see the video in my head um but i studied him non-stop and one of my

00:34:16.480 most fun things to do in college was every time he pitched i would go on mlb.com and i would see the

00:34:22.000 highlights and i would just watch him over and over and over and i got a lot of enjoyment out of it so i

00:34:26.720 actually started putting a segment up on my channel when i signed i was in the minor leagues there was no

00:34:30.560 way for fans to watch me pitch in the minor leagues and have that same experience of highlights so

00:34:36.960 i would take video clips from the games make a little highlight reel i called it weekly whiffs

00:34:42.320 and i would put it up on youtube channel i did two episodes of it and then the organization at the time

00:34:47.920 that i was with at the time was like hey you can't do that it was just different no one was doing that

00:34:51.840 it was right you know it can be looked at as like you're trying to embarrass the other hitters or

00:34:56.720 whatever it had nothing to do with the hitters i was just trying to entertain the fans yeah um and

00:35:01.200 so i made a couple more videos after that like the pitch grips video in 2013 and a couple slow

00:35:06.400 motion videos here there but um it kind of in a way it took a little bit of the fun of like trying

00:35:10.800 to entertain fans out uh and so i just i was off of it i went more towards uh twitter at the time

00:35:16.880 which is now x but um trying to just have that like back and forth connection with fans and grow it that

00:35:22.800 way um and that ended up getting me in a lot of trouble as well unfortunately people like you have

00:35:29.040 your own voice a lot of times yeah you know which is where you know if you're involved in something

00:35:32.800 that's bigger like when you have to go into organizations like major league sports college

00:35:38.320 sports where there's a lot of big business interests on the back end of things they really

00:35:43.120 don't like a lot of guys to have their own voices yeah it seems like they don't you're not really

00:35:47.680 you're allowed to but are you really allowed to yeah it's a it's an interesting my perspective on

00:35:53.120 that is has changed a good amount recently like so coming up i was like okay i'm my own person i'm

00:35:59.120 gonna have my voice like you as my employer don't control me i'm gonna say what i want whatever and

00:36:03.920 i was very kind of bullheaded on that and then i started a business and i have employees and i deal

00:36:10.000 with employees who remind me very much of myself and they have their own voice and they express stuff in

00:36:15.360 certain ways and i'm like okay like i got to handle this a little bit differently as a business

00:36:19.920 owner than i would as an employee and now i can understand the different perspective like i'm still

00:36:24.960 very like i'm very protective of trying to tell my employees you can't say this or you can say this or

00:36:32.000 like putting guidelines on it but i do see how someone like me coming up that has these opinions

00:36:39.040 especially when i would be like critical of the league like here's an employee of the league who's

00:36:42.800 being critical of their boss publicly and like at the time i was like well this isn't right and this

00:36:47.520 isn't right and i disagree with this and the blah blah and so i would just say it and then without

00:36:51.840 considering the opposite perspective and i think i was a lot more like i can identify this problem and

00:36:57.840 i'm just going to say that there's a problem and blame instead of now what i really try to do is look

00:37:02.480 at and say okay i identify a problem but what are some potential solutions let me present the solutions

00:37:07.360 that i think and have a discussion about it instead of just like hey you're wrong you're wrong do this

00:37:12.320 this way yeah so some of that like evolution over time growing up and getting older and learning from

00:37:17.440 past mistakes starting a business seeing other perspectives um in your business you're talking

00:37:22.640 about your youtube channel yeah trevor bauer channel yeah uh well cool channel man yeah we have uh

00:37:26.640 trevor bauer channel we have also momentum uh channel and eric and eric sims channel we all we're

00:37:32.160 kind of like a content group um so momentum is the company and it's started in 2019 to grow

00:37:39.040 baseball entertain baseball fans and so we bring people in um wow you have a lot of subs subs the

00:37:46.800 kids call them yeah a lot of subs on there man yeah eric just passed i think he's like 520 now as

00:37:51.760 well so i'm at 690 momentum's at six or 567 eric's over 500 as well we got a couple other creators that

00:37:58.720 come in the idea is basically you bring guys in that love baseball have a good personality

00:38:03.040 you have a group channel where they can get exposure to a lot of people entertain a lot of

00:38:06.880 people and then they end up growing their brands and can go in their own different directions you have

00:38:11.120 someone that does gaming you have someone that does action you have someone that does you know card

00:38:15.040 reviews you have someone that does whatever and so you start branching out and entertaining

00:38:19.120 all factions of baseball fans and growing the game organically where the audience is you know one of the

00:38:24.800 the things that i think nba was probably the first sport to really adopt it is the social media push

00:38:30.400 like delivering content to fans where the fans are um i mean you go on nba or you go on twitter x or

00:38:37.520 whatever social media platform when the playoffs are going on in nba it's like the second steph

00:38:42.160 curry hits a three like it's everywhere yeah right you have the same opportunities in baseball

00:38:47.280 where it's like hard to find content and so i was like okay this is a problem but instead of

00:38:52.160 just like blaming i'm gonna like try to actually do something about the problem so

00:38:56.880 momentum is kind of my attempt to like help impact the marketability of players help impact the growth

00:39:03.600 of the game you know young people aren't playing baseball nearly as much anymore there's so many

00:39:08.640 other opportunities um you got streaming services so they can watch on their ipad you got gaming that's

00:39:13.520 huge esports um people aren't outside as much playing so the game is like shrinking a little bit

00:39:20.480 at the youth level so we're trying to trying to grow it in in ways where kids will consume the

00:39:25.920 content and get interested in it yeah man dude that's so kudos bro this should be a be a part be

00:39:32.160 doing something uh your job but then also create wanting to create this other more of your job kind

00:39:38.960 of you know like um this is not a lot of guys that have that have their own channels like that yeah

00:39:44.560 baseball has given me a lot oh yeah this chart's uh this chart's sad this is share of children age

00:39:50.880 six to twelve who participate in baseball on a regular basis in the united states from 2008 to

00:39:55.600 2021 and in 2008 it says 16 and a half percent and now we're down to 12.6 percent yeah it's down

00:40:02.560 like 25 percent in the last 15 years i'm kind of shocked because i know we have a like a larger growing

00:40:08.960 latino culture you know and i know baseball's big in latino cultures you know why do you think that

00:40:13.520 is why do you think there's been like a tail off like that well i think uh baseball has gotten

00:40:21.200 expensive um the equipment's very expensive the travel team's very expensive um also baseball isn't

00:40:30.320 doesn't have the cool factor that nba has nba has sneakers and and like rap culture pop culture

00:40:38.880 they've blended the two together in a very cool way that's a good point and so when you're going

00:40:43.360 through high school and you're trying to figure out who you are like you want the you want to be part

00:40:48.720 of the cool crowd and it's the sneakers it's the the new rapper the new album it's the entertainer it's and

00:40:57.440 that's synonymous with nba yeah uh baseball hasn't had the same like uh success and blending and

00:41:05.280 getting the cool factor for you yeah baseball always was like there was the kids would go off

00:41:08.960 and do it in high school but you didn't really know you didn't yeah and a lot of times you wouldn't

00:41:13.840 they wouldn't be a part of the pep rallies a lot of times and stuff so yeah there was always

00:41:17.760 missing a little bit of football you have the crossover you have like the cheerleaders and you

00:41:21.600 have the football players yeah these are you know there's like integration of like the whole

00:41:25.840 school right and it's one game and the school shows up and it's our school versus your school and

00:41:30.320 so there's a lot of involvement around football nba has the pop culture integration baseball's

00:41:36.640 struggled to get that their thing um and you know it's uh there's a lot of games so it's not like if

00:41:46.640 you miss out on this game there's not gonna be a game tomorrow right so good point uh and it's always

00:41:52.560 been that baseball has like an older demographic it's a slower game i think his attention spans are

00:41:58.160 shrinking tick tocks around shorts youtube shorts instagram reels all this stuff attention is

00:42:04.400 shrinking the cadence of baseball is slow right um where nba it's like 20 seconds and then there's a

00:42:13.360 new play and then this and then that football it's like there's always something going on

00:42:18.000 baseball it's like well there's you know four minutes in between innings and then there's

00:42:21.840 30 seconds in between a pitch like one of the things they tried this year is like a pitch clock so

00:42:26.560 they'd shrink the time in between pitches which is seemingly made the game more popular yeah i

00:42:31.440 feel that i felt that energy when i went to some games this year yeah it felt faster it felt a little

00:42:35.440 bit more and it kept you a little bit involved because it was just enough time where you didn't

00:42:39.600 kind of zone out and go get on your phone of that extra five or six seconds yeah like even more

00:42:44.160 saying that extra habitual moment where you kind of start to check out yeah i would stay involved

00:42:48.240 you know we went to see zack gallon pitch a couple times which was really cool um who else did we go

00:42:54.560 oh going to a padres game is so much fun man that park is so much did you go in san diego yeah

00:42:59.920 yeah dude that is so much fun they do a good job down there um when so the padres and dodgers were

00:43:07.440 oh yeah a lot of a lot of rivalry going back there dodger players won't say it's rivalry but

00:43:11.840 it's a rivalry all right um and so we you know in 2021 i was with the dodgers we'd go down

00:43:17.680 play in padres and it was like so loud and so the stadium's like pretty compact you know you got the

00:43:24.000 good you got the industrial building out there that kind of squeezes things together and they

00:43:28.560 pack it full it's really energetic and uh yeah we played some really fun games down there it is

00:43:34.320 such a fun place to uh and it's to be a part of it's cool it's right downtown the backdrop's really

00:43:39.920 cool you're right by the ocean the weather's always great like you literally you leave the

00:43:44.160 stadium and you're there's bars right there right outside right downtown the best area it's cool

00:43:48.880 they got some great players down there too man yeah um no no joe is one of my buddies who pitches

00:43:54.400 over there yeah he's he's he's awesome um yeah but uh you darvish machado uh tattoos yeah they're just

00:44:04.480 it's fun that's a fun place to see a game yeah um so how did so when did you start to like when

00:44:09.520 did you like be like okay i've got the mechanics uh i've been working on this so much myself i have my

00:44:15.120 own interest in it when did you start to be like good and what was that like so i was i was good

00:44:22.800 my freshman year i was good my sophomore year in high school i made for i made varsity team towards

00:44:28.720 the end of my sophomore year but then i really like i really exploded my junior year of um of high

00:44:34.080 school my velocity jumped a lot i was throwing in the 90s i struck a lot of people out i had like a

00:44:40.080 sub one era for the year started getting a lot of uh yeah i think i was at 0.79 era or something i

00:44:45.840 don't remember the exact number but um gosh yeah struck out like uh 106 people i think in 72 innings

00:44:53.840 or something along those lines so i had a really good year i went 12 and 0 that year our team was

00:44:58.160 really good um actually the there's a senior pitcher i was a junior mike montgomery was a senior um he

00:45:05.200 was getting a lot of looks he ended up getting drafted in the first round by the royals that

00:45:09.920 year so we had a lot of scouts out at our games wow so you had a lot of influence to see that this

00:45:14.480 could really happen right i mean he's right there ahead of you and this happens in front of you so

00:45:18.320 baseball is such a small world too that like in the 2016 world series the last person to throw a pitch

00:45:23.120 for the cubs michael montgomery the last person to throw a pitch for the indians me wow high school

00:45:29.120 teammates were the last ones to throw pitches in that for our respective teams in that world series but uh

00:45:34.160 yeah and so he was good and i don't like losing to people on my own team i don't like losing

00:45:37.760 period like i'm a super intense competitor so like he would go have a start and i'm like okay

00:45:43.120 i gotta be better than that and then that really drove me to be better and so actually i ended up

00:45:48.880 graduating high school half a year early and so i never played my senior season in high school

00:45:53.760 i just went to ucla oh you went straight to go went start yeah so i graduated december i think 18th

00:45:59.280 and i started ucla january 4th and then i played what would have been my senior season of high

00:46:04.080 school as my freshman year in college so you must have been one of the younger pitchers that year

00:46:08.400 yeah younger one of the younger pitchers i was actually the freshman pitcher of the year in all

00:46:12.800 of ncaa that year and that's after that year is when i made team usa i went played in japan in 2009 as

00:46:19.040 basically a high school senior so so what happens in that space because like um and pitching is so

00:46:25.120 perfect for you then it sounds like because it's your own little war that you're in you're like

00:46:29.280 this this orchestra you're the you're this guy but you're also the guy playing the you know yeah

00:46:35.120 it's like um it's you versus them it's very clear cut how things go um what uh oh dang i had a great

00:46:44.960 question um oh it probably wasn't that great but i thought it was pretty decent um this is my brain

00:46:49.920 checks out every now and then but hold on stay with this what uh what about did your ego did ego

00:46:55.440 start to build up because that's one thing i always talk about a lot in here just like our ego and what

00:46:59.040 that's like you know because what was it like when you start to get like a claim for that if you're

00:47:03.600 kind of have this social uncomfortability yeah i um i've always tried to separate ego on and off the

00:47:12.800 field um i haven't been great at it but i think having an ego on the field is super important

00:47:20.320 like when you walk out there you got to know that you're the best you have to believe that you're

00:47:24.240 better than him and him and him and you got to feel like you're the best guy out there to be like the

00:47:29.120 true like competitor you know off the field like going around telling everybody that you're better than

00:47:36.080 them and acting like that's not great right so uh i'm not naturally like inclined to be

00:47:42.400 egotistical i because the way i view things it's never like a static point everything is

00:47:47.920 i'm improving or i'm getting worse it's all it's a fluid situation and so if i'm either getting

00:47:54.160 better or getting worse i'm on a journey just like you're on a journey you have your struggles and your

00:47:58.720 your successes i have my struggles and successes i view myself as like even with every other person

00:48:04.160 but on the field like when it's competition time like i am the best person on the field and if i'm

00:48:11.360 not that day it's because like i didn't work hard enough or i need a better process but like every

00:48:19.360 time i step on the field i have to believe that i'm the best person there and i've had times in my

00:48:26.480 career where i lost that belief and it was those were very dark times performance wise i was terrible

00:48:35.360 on the field and i had to like trick myself and like fake like fake it in my own mind that i was

00:48:45.120 still good and then when i started doing that the results came back but wow um yeah it's interesting at

00:48:52.320 levels of success how you have to sometimes trick yourself to stay there how you have to use little

00:48:57.760 manipulations life hacks all those there's so many different things that so many different people who

00:49:02.800 are top performers in their in their world or sport or whatever it is line of work uh do i think i'm a

00:49:09.920 little predisposed to uh depression for whatever reason i don't know if it's something chemical or or

00:49:16.240 what it is i'm a very like kind of flat personality i don't have like a ton of highs and lows so when

00:49:23.040 baseball would go bad like my mood would go really bad and i had to find a way to kind of pull those

00:49:29.120 two things apart and be regardless if baseball was up or down i needed to be able to like be okay

00:49:37.200 in my life um and would you do to go did you like would you like if when things got bad how would you

00:49:44.000 would you would you booze a little like how would your world so i've never i've never been drunk i've

00:49:48.480 never done drugs um wow yeah you are you are riding the freaking world like yeah that's in that's in

00:49:58.160 it's it's incredible man i didn't i didn't have friends to invite me to the parties in high school

00:50:03.120 so i never got started but um yeah i would like when i would have a early in my career let's say prior to

00:50:10.400 uh let's say july 2017 um i would have a bad outing and i would go home and i would study it

00:50:19.440 for hours and hours and i would be up till four or five in the morning and then i wouldn't sleep well

00:50:24.720 and then i'd be miserable the next day because i'm like okay i should have done all these things i

00:50:29.120 didn't do and now my results are bad and we lost the game and i'm this and then whatever um and then i was

00:50:37.200 just 20 the the start of 2017 was like the worst half of baseball that i've had and i had like a

00:50:43.840 seven or eight era gosh that's a lot i could have that yeah no if i mean i probably could any anyone

00:50:49.120 any number of people yeah some people could have done that let's just say some people could have it

00:50:53.600 yeah and uh sorry man that was kind of offensive no no i mean it's true it's just a fact i was bad and i

00:51:00.240 had to trick myself into believing that i was good wow because i'm so analytical that i was like i am

00:51:05.600 the worst pitcher in major league baseball right now factually and i had to pull myself out of that

00:51:12.960 and somehow trick myself on the field to thinking that i was good and then i also had to pull myself

00:51:18.880 split myself from baseball so i could find a way to be okay personally in life and um so i had to start

00:51:27.200 developing some other interests some stuff that when i went home i would get interested in that

00:51:31.200 thing instead of studying baseball so much and then from 2017 on outside of two months at the end of 2019

00:51:38.720 i was probably like a top 10 pitcher in baseball um but that's that split of like being okay personally

00:51:45.440 and finding a way to kind of like level out that depression and um some of those you know really down

00:51:51.040 moments um made me better and more stable at doing my job on the field as well and would you go spend

00:51:58.000 time with the guys after the games you still kind of do your own thing a lot so baseball is uh because

00:52:03.200 night because games are played at night like when you get out of the field it's 11 15 11 30 yeah so if

00:52:08.800 you're gonna go spend time with the guys it's like what bar are you going to what club are you going to

00:52:13.520 there's not a whole lot of other options right on the road sometimes you go back to the hotel room

00:52:18.320 go play cards have a glass of wine or something in someone's room and hang out with the guys

00:52:22.480 um but it's not like you're just going to dinner at seven o'clock and having a nice night so

00:52:27.520 um i would typically just go from the field back home most of the time you do you spend with guys

00:52:32.400 during season is like prior to the game so you get there at noon or one play cards in the clubhouse

00:52:37.280 play some video games joke around whatever or day games when you get done at four and you can go to

00:52:41.600 dinner those are usually like sundays if you're not traveling um do you find yourself in social

00:52:45.840 atmospheres do you feel pretty uncomfortable like how do you how do you feel like in social

00:52:50.000 atmospheres do you feel pretty has it changed over time yeah it's uh it's definitely changed i'm very

00:52:55.440 uncomfortable around large groups of people that i don't know yeah um i'm not very good at like

00:53:00.640 starting a conversation um you know i just i think too much and so when i look at another person i'm like

00:53:08.320 well they don't want to talk to me and like what am i going to say and well how do i not come

00:53:14.160 i don't want to come off awkward and disturb them but i also like kind of want to talk to them but

00:53:18.160 i and i just i just don't do it i just think too much where i watch some guys they just like go up

00:53:23.280 hey how's it going and then like have a great conversation i'm like damn like yeah and then

00:53:26.880 they're married and you're like god that guy's doing great man yeah that's awesome yeah dude sometimes i

00:53:34.160 would always marvel at people that just had that disposition to be able to be comfortable yeah man i

00:53:39.920 remember there's a wwe wrestler the miz is his name and um he would just he was always so comfortable

00:53:48.640 wherever he was and it was then i i never saw anybody like it the guy just and he just it was

00:53:56.080 just effortless you know and that was one thing i was always so envious of certain people that had

00:54:00.720 they didn't have to fight inside of themselves to be comfortable yeah and you know and that that was

00:54:05.520 always like something i really uh i just noticed a lot yeah i'm comfortable with myself right but i'm

00:54:12.720 not comfortable like going into like unknown groups and like just somehow integrating myself now if i

00:54:22.080 know a couple people and we're out like i'm fine like meeting one of their friends and having a

00:54:26.160 conversation yeah talk to someone all night but i'm not the one that's i i don't know how to go start

00:54:31.520 those conversations you might have a freaking hit of the tism i got it you know what i'm saying no

00:54:35.760 judgment dude some of the greatest like people of our time now have i think a low-key dose you know

00:54:42.560 you know seven eight percent i think i wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised yeah it's awesome man yeah

00:54:47.200 i mean elon musk definitely is riding you know he's riding some bezos has it for sure yeah um a lot of the

00:54:55.520 greats have it some people think that mike tomlin is that his name the football coach right yeah

00:55:01.120 yeah he you know you don't see a lot of dark tism going on but i bet he's got a dose um but yeah

00:55:07.200 i think there's a lot of it out there it's creeping up on all of us but i think it's helping in some

00:55:11.440 ways it's because i think we some of us are having to evolve we've gotten into such a uh digital and like

00:55:19.840 a world that is uh that if you have are able to conceptualize things

00:55:25.600 almost a little more electronically sometimes it's a light word i'm using yeah but that you

00:55:32.400 have more success because we're just becoming more like hypothetically like robots as people

00:55:39.280 so it just kind of makes sense to make any sense to you yeah yeah for sure i mean prior to social

00:55:43.840 media if you're going to get information you're going to read a book you're going to ask people

00:55:48.080 around you're going to be in the community and like learn from people around you yeah habits of

00:55:52.720 uh ingesting information we're reliant on being able to have those interactions you're outside

00:55:58.960 more there is less to do on your phone personally like less connection digitally there was no

00:56:04.160 connection digitally for a long time your grandpa was like shitty google remember you go to your

00:56:08.320 grandpa yeah remember the thesaurus yeah oh yeah dude you gotta go look up in the thesaurus now you

00:56:14.320 just chat gpt or google it or whatever yeah you can now you can just you don't even have to

00:56:19.600 you can like go to my fake family.com and just pick out a family on there and they'll send you

00:56:23.760 a picture of you in a family yeah and you can frame it and put it on your you're like who the

00:56:28.880 fuck are these people yeah it's just yeah it's a different universe but it's kind of fascinating if

00:56:35.040 we don't look at it that kind of stuff as a negative i think sometimes we look at it as we're part of

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01:00:18.480 sponsoring the podcast it must be interesting to be you though because you it's i feel like when there's

01:00:25.680 more going on in your head as much as it is a curse it's also kind of there's enough of a world going on

01:00:31.760 where you're kind of you're dealing with that yeah you know there's a lot of stimulation yeah um

01:00:38.480 i don't do well when i'm bored like my mind needs something to be working on yeah so there's never a

01:00:43.760 shortage of that um but i think that's why getting into business has been very beneficial for me because

01:00:49.600 i don't have those like blank moments or blank hours where i yeah i would i would fill those early

01:00:57.120 in my career i'd fill them going on twitter for three hours and it was so much fun it was so much

01:01:02.720 fun and i i had fun with it yeah but i think me having fun with people is usually like playful

01:01:09.440 banter like i'll kind of like throw a little like jab your way and you throw them back my way and it's

01:01:14.800 like because the jousting match and i like that because it's witty and it forces me to think and like

01:01:20.640 it's and i'm having these conversations with people and i'm like laughing and joking with them

01:01:24.880 in person yeah and you get a sense of like i'm not being serious you can tell very clearly that

01:01:30.480 i'm not being serious but on twitter doesn't come across that way and especially not even though the

01:01:36.640 person that you're doing it with may feel that way may not other people reading it might get really

01:01:41.840 confused yeah and so i would banter with a lot of people and i think it got construed negatively by the

01:01:47.360 media i know it got construed negatively by the media the larger media as a whole and then i get this

01:01:52.480 reputation of being combative and stuff and i was never doing it from a competitive standpoint i

01:01:56.880 understand how it looks that way and how it came off that way and so those blank hours where i was

01:02:02.080 just had nothing to do and i was just like joking with people on twitter firing stuff off got you

01:02:06.880 know got me in trouble um trump has a great dave porten i interviewed donald trump and he goes

01:02:12.400 you ever just like he like would you so was he asking nick about proofreading some of his tweets

01:02:17.680 or something trump's like yeah you ever just fire something off and just go to bed and just hope

01:02:22.000 it's okay and trump was like yeah oh all the time yeah you know you're like what the hell is going on

01:02:29.360 yeah but you do that if you think about twitter being a parallel to like real life like

01:02:35.120 someone says something to you and you just fire away because if you pause for five seconds to think

01:02:40.560 about what you're going to say it almost like gives you the yips like you almost don't know how to

01:02:45.040 respond then because we're so conditioned like you say something and i'm like i have a response right

01:02:51.040 but if have you ever thought about what proofreading like in real life would look like like you would

01:02:56.080 ask me something and i would think of my response and then i would pause for five or six seconds and

01:03:01.840 really think through my response and then i might say something slightly differently can you imagine a

01:03:07.760 conversation like that if it was like you say something and i pause for like 10 seconds and then say

01:03:13.360 something back to you and you pause for like 10 seconds and like really actually think through

01:03:18.080 it like with that we'd be like processing our answer and then we print it out for the person yeah

01:03:23.200 it'd be so bizarre it'd be so bizarre it'd be almost like a script then yeah probably it would be a

01:03:28.000 very awkward conversation it's not like a normal human tendency to have an interaction like that so

01:03:33.840 when someone you read something it's like oh someone just said something and i'm going to say it

01:03:37.440 now it takes longer to type it but you're still having the thought and so you never have the

01:03:42.560 option in person to like okay i just said this now let me proofread it let me read it again let me

01:03:48.000 check for this let me think about this my friend right is this okay is this weird yeah but on on

01:03:53.520 twitter then it's like the expectation now for you know people in the public eye um is that you would

01:04:00.080 proofread it and then you would check with the publicist or you would check with you know someone or

01:04:05.040 for whatever you make sure that it was everything and just not the normal flow of conversation now

01:04:09.360 it might be in the future as the as humanity moves more towards a digital presence like maybe that's

01:04:13.760 what happens it's gonna be sad it's not uh it's not normal yeah it's certainly abnormal what was

01:04:20.640 that thing did you bring it up nick what trump had oh portney i asked the president if he ever regrets

01:04:26.400 any of the content he posts often too often trump said it used to be in the old days you'd write a

01:04:31.360 letter and you'd say this is this letter is really big you put it on your desk and you go back tomorrow

01:04:35.680 you say oh i'm glad i didn't send it right but we don't do that with twitter right we put it out

01:04:40.880 instantaneously we feel great and you start getting phone calls did you really say half the time it's

01:04:47.040 like damn i didn't even i never and i never would have thought that that would be interpreted that way

01:04:51.360 oh twice about it yeah oh it's ridiculous now and then people are like take it down people say

01:04:56.000 it's like it's definitely it's weird it's weird the way that we communicate now how foreign it is

01:05:03.440 and i think also how like as humans we're not supposed to adapt to the way we communicate like

01:05:10.400 it's so abnormal to nature our nature i think that a lot of it ends up making us feel sick or confused

01:05:19.600 sometimes i'll send stuff to nick and i'll be like hey is this okay you know do i seem

01:05:22.880 chill does it seem crazy am i gay he's like dude this is fine bro you're just you're doing fine but

01:05:30.240 it's like i think yeah and as you have some notoriety especially for your sport um i'm sure

01:05:36.720 like the the microscope gets even even tougher yeah um okay so you get through so you're going to the

01:05:43.200 major leagues yeah you have some there's some great videos of you out there like impersonating

01:05:47.040 like other players and stuff dude so funny man so when when you start to get the entertainment aspect

01:05:54.240 how did that kind of come into you do you feel like i think when i got comfortable that i was good

01:06:01.280 and that i had largely like established myself where i was going to be able to have a career like

01:06:09.120 early in your career you're just fighting to stay there and it's like if you have a bad outing you might

01:06:13.200 not be there the next day but once you get to a certain level it's like okay i have some leeway

01:06:17.520 here i can't be bad forever but if i have a bad start or two it's not going to be like i'm gone

01:06:23.680 and so that gives you a little it becomes manageable yeah and it gives you a little sense of like

01:06:29.040 settle in you can take a breath you can be a little bit more comfortable and then you start having

01:06:36.080 some of these longer standing relationships with guys on your team because now you've been teammates for

01:06:40.240 two three four years um and you have some of those jokes and like each game and moment becomes a

01:06:47.600 little bit less serious because because of that comfortability and then you have you can start

01:06:52.000 joking around and you can start having fun um so really like 2018 i had a really good second half

01:06:59.200 of the year 2017 really good start to 2018 and i started like feeling

01:07:02.960 more like comfortable and like settled with the team and i started you know entertaining i'm pretty

01:07:12.160 like i'm i like the banter like we talked about i like the kind of witty interactions and so i like

01:07:19.600 figuring out the puzzle of how do i like take this normally mundane thing and just put a little twist

01:07:25.840 on it like make it more entertaining for people and then yeah starting in like 2020 really after i

01:07:33.440 started the media company um momentum in 2019 it was like okay this is an attention economy so in order

01:07:41.360 for baseball to grow there have to be clips that are viral enough to get to the youth that they see it

01:07:47.120 like oh baseball is fun right and then i'm like okay how do i start making some of these viral clips well

01:07:52.320 let me study nba what goes viral in nba oh when people do something like they dunk on someone and

01:07:58.240 they celebrate it like when lebron's flexing on someone like that's everywhere right when curry

01:08:03.520 hits a three but before he the ball's in the bucket he's already running down the court like celebrating

01:08:08.400 it because he knows it's in like that's everywhere it's like okay how do you apply some of that to

01:08:12.800 baseball it's like all right what can you do in baseball like are you going to celebrate a strikeout

01:08:16.960 that'd be comparable to like flexing on someone when you dunk on them right are you going to

01:08:21.200 call your shot on you know the day before the game oh i'm going to do this with this person are

01:08:25.280 you going to have some sort of you know what does that look like in baseball it's a good point yeah

01:08:30.400 and so i started getting the entertainment aspect of it because i was settled with the performance

01:08:36.400 like i can entertain or and compete at the same time right so i can compete and just not do any

01:08:41.760 entertainment and you're going to get the same level of performance out of me that you'll get if i'm

01:08:46.160 also doing a little bit of entertainment um because i've it's like my base operating level is

01:08:53.120 intense competition you're an interesting dude bro i'm all messed up my mind's my mind's

01:09:00.000 it's cool it's just neat to get a look at how you operate man it's it's really interesting i appreciate

01:09:05.200 you talking with me man um yeah because you're you're but you're right though if you're trying to

01:09:10.080 build this sport that's what you have those are that you need some of those moments yeah you know like

01:09:14.560 the um there's a video out there and it's a bunch it's it's a view just impersonating some

01:09:19.440 of the other players on your team i think when you're with the um yeah the indians we're in

01:09:23.200 pittsburgh the indians it was uh shout out sunshine clevenger over there too yeah you know mike yeah

01:09:29.040 yeah definitely uh been around mike man he's a he's such an entertaining guy yeah um so this is uh

01:09:36.400 this is a funny story a lot of people don't know like the follow-up to this story so you can see the

01:09:40.400 guys in the background this video have rain uh like tarps on or whatever so it's raining right

01:09:46.400 so you're in a raining game and this is here cleveland versus pittsburgh what year is this this

01:09:50.000 is 2018 maybe okay 20s and as you come up to bat here you keep kind of impersonating i guess

01:09:57.920 different players on your team they're they're batting stances yeah yeah so we had a lot of unique

01:10:01.600 batting stances this year um and so always like we get four days off in between starts as a starting

01:10:07.520 pitcher so we're in the dugout just messing around like we don't have anything to do and so i was

01:10:11.840 always grabbing something and trying to impersonate you know mike avilis jason kipnis rayburn brantley

01:10:18.000 like some of these guys that had really unique characteristics and so um at one point i think

01:10:23.840 it was mike avilis like hey when are you gonna do that for real like you won't and i was like i'll do

01:10:28.480 it so i go and i have this at bat where i you know do rayburn and kipnis where they all shocked

01:10:34.160 they were all if you look at the dugout i don't know if there's a view of it they're all like

01:10:37.040 laughing yeah that's mike right there he's just yeah kipnis seems like such a neat guy huh kip's

01:10:43.040 awesome yeah so the follow-up to this though is i get i walk in this at bat and so i'm on first base

01:10:48.880 and i'm just a stupid pitcher like you know running the bases and whatever and so the catcher you know

01:10:55.200 obviously the pittsburgh wasn't super like other applaud again yeah pittsburgh wasn't super like

01:11:00.320 pleased with that because they're like you guys are joking around out here yeah so right after

01:11:06.400 that the next pitch like i take my lead off first and the catcher catches the ball and like fakes like

01:11:11.520 he's gonna throw it down first baseman was nowhere close but i'm not used to being on base because i

01:11:15.200 suck as a hitter i'm never on base right so he goes to throw it down to first and i freak out and i like

01:11:20.560 dive back and there's no first baseman there and it's muddy and i stick in the mud and i don't even make

01:11:27.440 like my hand sticks i don't even make it back to the base i'm just laying there by the base looking

01:11:31.360 around there's no one there the catcher never threw the ball and i'm covered in mud yeah and he just

01:11:36.720 like pointed at me and like threw the ball back to the pitcher i'm like all right all right that's

01:11:40.160 good you got me yeah that's good i respect that that's classic that's such a neat thing about life

01:11:48.800 too how it works it's like the second you start to get on your high horse even just a little life

01:11:53.680 knocks you down yeah here you go there's another really good example that we're playing the padres

01:11:58.160 2021 we're at dodger stadium um and i facing i'm facing uh eric hosmer now i knew hawes from he was

01:12:07.040 in kansas city when i was with cleveland so we played each other a lot so we have a little bit of a

01:12:10.800 you know a history like playing each other so the first at bat i throw him a curveball he like half

01:12:16.000 swings at it and strikes out and i like hit him with my sword celebration and uh the next at bat he comes

01:12:22.240 up i throw him a curveball instead of missing it he hits a rocket right back at my face like it would

01:12:27.520 have it would have killed me if i didn't get out of the way i end up like laying on my back

01:12:32.400 and i'm like slanging out on the mound like what just happened fortunately it didn't hit me and he's

01:12:36.480 over at first base and i start to sit up and there's actually a picture of me yeah this is probably it is

01:12:40.800 this yeah that right and i don't know if this video clip goes long enough but uh see if i laugh right

01:12:49.840 here yeah yeah right there so he's at first base he like hey and i look over at him and he uh he gave

01:12:58.240 me the sword back so i got him the i got him the pitch the bat before and then he just like got me

01:13:04.480 back and then let me know about it tatis had a great one he hit a home run off me like put one one hand

01:13:10.000 over his eye because in spring training i had like thrown in the bat with one eye closed and then

01:13:16.800 against the padres and then they waited and then when he got me back he put his eye his hand over

01:13:21.920 do you mind the stuff you think it's fun i love it yeah it's cool actually if people if people would

01:13:26.720 like celebrate on me all the time i don't care like that's good for the game yeah dude and it would be

01:13:32.960 so kind of there's one thing like savannah bananas you know you see them yeah there's just some of the

01:13:38.240 shit's gotten crazy they're like doing the newsies the musical between the fucking second and third

01:13:42.880 and you're like jesus christ yeah like a 90 minute musical like yeah let's get the game going you

01:13:48.000 know uh but it's also there's something that's just fun about um just a little bit of the of the adding

01:13:55.440 more to it and i think you're right i think if you do you know there's a little bit more

01:14:00.880 ambiance between some of the players it definitely right there you're like oh

01:14:07.040 shit he's gonna it's almost like when you you know that um like gary payton was gonna guard uh

01:14:13.280 michael jordan or something like oh i want to i want to tune in yes because i know that four times

01:14:17.360 they're gonna face each other right let's see how this shakes out i mean strickland and duplessis

01:14:22.240 just fought right yeah that fight was not really interesting until they had the little skirmish in

01:14:28.320 the crowd and strickland like threw the elbow and they fought and then everyone's like oh we got

01:14:33.760 to watch this fight and the fight it was great fight like i thought sean won personally but

01:14:39.200 yeah what do you think about it i thought it was three two i thought he outstruck he outstruck him

01:14:44.240 um didn't think that duplessis got much out of the takedowns a lot of takedowns but not a whole

01:14:48.400 lot came from them um i don't hate the decision like very close fight could have gone either way i had

01:14:54.080 it i had a three two strickland judges had a three two duplessis yeah you like the fights yeah i'm a big

01:14:59.760 fan yeah oh cool bro me too yeah i feel like do i feel like there should be a little more gravity

01:15:07.040 if you're gonna give the belt away that's what it felt like to me i was like it's this close and

01:15:12.000 you're gonna give the belt away like if you're gonna beat somebody for the belt there should be

01:15:16.240 a little more gravity to it yeah i should be like definitive you beat them yes yeah like if it's a

01:15:21.920 regular match i get it yeah but and maybe that's i'm just a somebody who sits in the crowd and and

01:15:27.840 wishes they could be tough enough to be out there but um yeah i wouldn't want to be in the ring

01:15:33.280 but you know one of the things you said earlier made me think what i've heard a lot of guys say

01:15:36.320 they're like they can be great guys neat guys but they have to believe when they go in there yeah

01:15:42.080 that they are the baddest motherfucker in the world because if they don't believe that yeah it

01:15:47.840 the the uh what can happen is just they don't stand they're not giving themselves any sort of a chance

01:15:53.520 yeah you know yeah god that's just gotta be i can't imagine like what that what the walk

01:16:01.920 must be like like it's you and another human like in a death match yeah it's gotta be a crazy

01:16:08.160 adrenaline rush but it's also gotta be super scary like i walking out to play a baseball game like

01:16:15.200 you win you lose it sucks if you lose but like there's not that visceral consequence yeah like you

01:16:22.960 walk out there you i don't think they've ever had a death in the ufc but like you get seriously hurt

01:16:29.760 like bad yeah and some of the guys they seem already hurt before they ever fought you're like damn this

01:16:35.440 guy he needs to keep whatever he's got still in the tank he's got a he can't lose anymore yeah you know

01:16:42.640 oh but yeah the fact that they and they love it that's the crazy thing some of them yeah they love it

01:16:49.280 like you could see sometimes like gaethje or poirier just how like just fucking that's that's their

01:16:55.520 thing yeah that lights them up imagine only getting to perform like twice a year too that's the toughest

01:17:01.200 part i hate i hate baseball cadence where i only get to play once every fifth or sixth day i can't

01:17:05.840 imagine twice a year once a year yeah yeah imagine once a year yeah fervor bauer gets to come out and

01:17:12.240 throw some and pitch a game for like 20 minutes god can you imagine training for a year and then

01:17:20.640 you get 20 minutes and like it could be over in 30 seconds i can't it's almost like i think penguins

01:17:26.560 are only fertile for like 11 minutes out of the year oh really yeah that's a crazy stat i never heard

01:17:31.360 that before so it's almost like that um but yeah if you find anything on that nick let me know

01:17:41.360 i don't understand i got a buddy said he had some pants i shouldn't say this but he had the option if

01:17:46.640 i wanted to get a little bit of penguin meat which would be crazy to eat but i've had puffin have you

01:17:52.640 really in iceland yeah oh my god trevor puffin kangaroo puffin icelandic horse shark shark was

01:18:00.640 terrible oh yeah the fermented shark so they like ferment the shark and they freeze it and they

01:18:06.560 serve it in these like little cubes it's like a delicacy in iceland and they love it i it tastes

01:18:11.600 like gasoline i couldn't it was i don't know i've had acquired acquired taste for sure oh yeah

01:18:19.040 yeah especially yeah and if you've had real gasoline it's like you don't want an imitation yeah yeah

01:18:23.760 you want the real thing but yeah i've had reindeer somewhere i've had owl i've had oh what else have

01:18:30.960 i wanted to have i wouldn't i i don't know if you want to have penguin though you know people just

01:18:37.760 love them to i just yeah they're kind of like the french bulldog of the north i feel like yeah like

01:18:42.480 you couldn't imagine eating french bulldog no you know frenchies are way too cute yeah that's a thing

01:18:47.760 yeah people would be pissed yeah now it would taste good i bet ah i'm not even gonna go down

01:18:53.840 that route i know some frenchies and i know people that love their frenchies i can't even imagine but

01:18:58.720 yeah yeah let's don't even say anything else about it um so you get to your career's gonna get you

01:19:05.120 were a cy young winner yep that had to be unbelievable are you chasing that at a certain

01:19:08.960 point to the season does it get like yeah where you're almost like the drivers in nascar where it's

01:19:13.360 like you're i chased that for 10 years wow so i went to college and like i said earlier i

01:19:21.120 i studied tim lincecum and he won a golden spikes award which is basically the heisman trophy of

01:19:26.560 baseball goes with like the best college baseball player and i went to college and my only goal not

01:19:33.360 my only personal goal like i wanted to win the college world series and everything like that with

01:19:37.040 my team but my personal goal was to win the golden spikes award and i won that my junior year of college

01:19:42.720 so like check that box off where did you really i didn't know that yeah you congratulate you were

01:19:47.440 the best player in college baseball yeah the one one yeah wow bro yeah it's pretty cool um mainly

01:19:55.280 because like i set a goal and i spent literally all of my time i like should have gone to class more

01:20:02.240 like didn't i just did not go to school but it was like baseball and just my thoughts my like training

01:20:09.200 everything was just like on that and i accomplished it and it's like a sense of pride that i could set

01:20:14.800 a goal and like accomplish it it wasn't the ego of being the best guy it was the fact that i set a goal

01:20:20.000 wow and i worked my way and actually accomplished that goal and so after that i was like okay what's

01:20:24.800 next i'm like well tim won two cy young awards i think he has he might have had three i think he has i

01:20:29.520 know he has two and i was like okay that's the new goal and so from 2011 when i won the golden spikes

01:20:37.040 for the next 10 years i was chasing the cy young award and everything i did was like okay who's the

01:20:42.960 best pitcher in baseball what do they do better than i do and like let me go work on that and it's

01:20:49.600 did he get uh oh yeah three-time world series champion two-time cy young award yeah back-to-back

01:20:54.400 oh wait no nine dude he was halfway there those two years were

01:20:59.760 i guess i remember that something different like it was just so

01:21:03.760 so so unique what tim was able to do um tim lincecum yeah yeah and so i yeah from 2011

01:21:12.560 he had the long hair too remember yeah god to be able to do so well with long hair too

01:21:18.880 randy johnson did that or eckersley did that there's just it's a special yeah just to be like yeah my hair

01:21:25.760 fucks and then you go out there and throw total gas on people that's crazy yeah what are you saying

01:21:32.560 he won oh so he won he won two of them i wanted to so i won the golden spikes 2011 i was like all right

01:21:38.160 i i want the cy young and so everything i did for the next 10 years was centered around like what does

01:21:43.200 the best pitcher do that's better than i am and like let me develop that skill set what pitch does he

01:21:48.880 throw how hard does he throw is he durable what's his command as his nutrition like all this stuff

01:21:53.040 and so i just worked at it and then 2020 i won the cy young um which is like a

01:22:03.440 yeah the the pitching coach at with the reds um derek johnson i've been i've known derek for he's

01:22:11.280 like one of my guys i've known him since 2000 since i was getting recruited to college i wanted to go to

01:22:15.520 vanderbilt and play for music vanderbilt at the time but he's like in the baseball circles that i kind

01:22:19.760 of run in caleb cotham was the assistant pitching coach he was uh i trained with him for years

01:22:28.800 eric jaggers was there like he was um i trained with him and like one of my guys like all my people

01:22:36.560 sunny gray was there like all my all my people were there and like to have that year it was super special

01:22:42.240 um do they get also a copy of the no so they give out they give out one award um but for my catchers i

01:22:49.760 got them uh they're both kind of like watch guys so i got uh we all got like rolexes i let them pick

01:22:56.080 their their watch and it all has like 2020 nl cy young engraved wow dude look how happy you look yeah

01:23:01.600 yeah yeah and actually this was um we were playing the reds uh this day so uh sunny and louis castillo

01:23:10.720 and dj actually came over for the ceremony i have some pictures with them so you won it with the

01:23:15.680 reds but you didn't get the award till the next season yeah when you were playing with the dodgers

01:23:18.800 yeah wow and then for you were playing against the reds when you got it yeah i think they scheduled

01:23:23.440 the ceremony for that day for that for that crossover that must have been so crazy yeah

01:23:28.400 yeah i uh go on for 10 years on my phone i had a picture of a cy young award um i think it was i

01:23:37.520 don't remember exactly whose cy young award it was i used to see the name every day and then every time

01:23:43.360 i opened my phone that was the background picture of my phone like every time i was looking at it i just

01:23:48.480 would see it in my mind and then i replaced that picture with now the background of my phone is my

01:23:54.480 cy young award um because i want another one um but yeah i chased it for 10 years and finally like

01:24:02.320 finally accomplished it which is a a pretty crazy um to chase something for 10 years and finally get

01:24:09.760 it is like such a cool feeling i didn't even know like how to feel it was like i can't believe this

01:24:15.040 actually happened yeah are you able to feel proud pride like kind of well do you uh uh not not in the

01:24:22.640 the moment um and by the time i win something i've already like set the next target yeah and i

01:24:32.800 was like i won it and i was like okay but anyone can win one like wow you can't win who can how many

01:24:38.800 guys have won two how many have won three and like so i just it's one of my struggles i need to get

01:24:45.120 better at it is like actually enjoying the fact that i did this really cool thing what a trickster your

01:24:51.920 brain is such an because sometimes our brain is like a trickster it's like oh well it's like

01:24:56.160 and what about this you know it's like it's sometimes if i can look at that almost like yeah

01:25:02.000 and try and enjoy it not be too hard on myself not you know constantly be pushing the goal line but

01:25:07.200 sometimes if i can just look at myself and be like what a fucking trickster you are brain yeah you're

01:25:12.080 gonna go and make you're gonna we just did it yeah like let me let me like hang out here for a

01:25:16.400 little bit and like enjoy this but if i can at least laugh at that part of me that does it instead of

01:25:21.200 look at it like man it just keeps moving and i'm never able to have any fun sometimes that can help

01:25:26.240 me have a little bit of a different like space there like i get like uh long-term enjoyment out

01:25:30.960 of it yeah little little hits of it here and there so the award is actually up in my room at my parents

01:25:36.400 house like where i grew up and i this is where i you know i still have artwork that i made in high

01:25:41.520 school that's on the walls and like hats that i had signed by people that are hanging there like

01:25:46.240 it's like it's it's like my room um and so the award is like hanging up like in my childhood room

01:25:55.120 um because i feel like that's where it belonged like most people will put it in like a case and like

01:26:02.480 that's where the journey started got it and like that's where it i feel like it just belongs like

01:26:09.040 like the young kid that like never thought he'd play big league baseball because big league baseball

01:26:15.760 players are like they're superstars they're like different than me and all of a sudden i end up

01:26:21.840 being one of those people and have this thing that like only the best of the best get and it's like

01:26:28.480 still when i see it up there i'm like this is crazy like yeah i have a note from my high school coach

01:26:33.120 threatening to kick me off the team next to like the cy young like what the the the disparity between

01:26:40.720 those things is like such a such an interesting contrast you know bro it's that oh that's so many

01:26:47.280 feelings that's so much at once dude yeah what was what was he threatening to kick you off or do you

01:26:51.760 remember dude i was i have like four or five of them uh i got thrown out of a game one time i was

01:26:58.800 hitting and uh umpire made a bet what i thought was a bad call so i flipped my bat and i like drew a

01:27:04.320 line in the sand of like where the ball crossed the plate didn't say a word i got tossed and then of

01:27:09.680 course like you're getting thrown out of a game not good look for the high school program there's times

01:27:14.320 where like the park that i mentioned earlier where i'd go up and do practice like i would go up there

01:27:19.200 and throw bait there's a tennis court with like a really high fence next to a big open grass field

01:27:24.480 and so i would throw a long toss on the open grass field and the ball would hit the the fence

01:27:28.880 and like die there and i had to throw by myself so i'd have two buckets of balls and i would throw

01:27:33.520 them all and then go pick them up and keep throwing and then one of the local tennis instructors didn't

01:27:38.640 like the noise of the ball hitting the fence and so he would go and like we had this years long like

01:27:47.440 feud and he would come out in the middle of his tennis lessons and like grab my buckets of

01:27:52.400 baseballs and steal them so i couldn't throw and then he would like call the cops on me and

01:27:56.400 like all this stuff but the thing is there was no signs it's a public park no signs on the fence

01:28:01.920 saying that i couldn't throw against it we'd gone to city council and like cleared it and made sure

01:28:05.760 it was okay he just didn't like it so a lot of a lot of just technical back and forth yeah but you

01:28:13.200 like to make sure that you you're kind of like me i think it seems in some ways i think i like i always

01:28:18.880 wanted to make sure how i felt was known i always wanted to have my say in things so be able to have

01:28:25.280 my say that's what i felt yeah and it's sometimes it's a blessing it's sometimes it's a for sure um

01:28:30.160 i had i i remember the the morning um that that kind of like changed for me i was 17 in high school

01:28:40.720 i had gotten up in the morning to go to the ymca did my pre preschool workout came back showered was

01:28:46.480 looking in the mirror i was like you know why what what is it about me that like i don't have

01:28:50.880 friends that people like don't like me that they bully me that they pick on me like all this stuff

01:28:55.680 and i just made the decision that day i was like i like myself like i'm good in school i treat people

01:29:01.680 well i'm hard working i'm whatever like i like what i see looking back at me so i'm gonna be okay with

01:29:08.560 that and i'm not gonna i'm gonna stop chasing like approval from other people and as long as i can be proud

01:29:14.000 of myself like i'm cool with it and so that gave me the freedom internally to like have a voice and

01:29:21.680 when someone would say something to me i'd fire back and i would feel better about myself because

01:29:26.240 i felt like i was defending myself and standing up for myself and my life got a lot better uh through

01:29:31.520 the rest of high school and into college because of that because i felt like i had a voice and i was

01:29:36.320 being heard instead of just being like swatted down all the time and then as my life situation

01:29:42.160 changed you know something that can be good at one point can be bad at other points um as my life

01:29:48.880 situation changed as people stopped picking on me as much as you know i got into professional baseball

01:29:54.000 and my profile in baseball grew i was still very quick to just like fire back at people and you know

01:30:02.080 fans normally in like the bantery like good-natured way but media people you know uh on-air personalities

01:30:09.360 writers and stuff like that um they would write something about me that i didn't like or that i

01:30:14.160 disagreed with or i felt was untrue that's one thing that really bugs me is when someone writes

01:30:18.720 something that is not true about about anyone like i don't think you should because it affects the

01:30:24.720 person's uh reputation and stuff you know um so i would just fire back at them and i was like okay i'm

01:30:31.600 justifying this to myself because they attacked me first and they said this stuff that isn't true they

01:30:37.200 set the terms where they're gonna just come out of they're gonna go out of their way to like i

01:30:41.520 wouldn't pick on them they're gonna come after me well okay unleash it like fire back yeah and i

01:30:46.640 think it makes good sense yeah i would just unload on on people though like said some pretty hurtful

01:30:52.000 things and then you know i get the reputation of being this like combative person which i'm not

01:30:59.520 but that's how i appeared on online and i don't think i updated my like how i uh behaved and interpreted

01:31:10.880 the world like i don't think i updated that as quickly as like my life situation changed i see and

01:31:17.280 so i got to a point where like i didn't need to be doing that stuff and there's a much more mature way

01:31:21.280 to handle those things like just have a conversation with a person right instead of just like online like

01:31:27.440 firing back um so that's one thing over the last couple years i've really tried to like

01:31:33.840 update evolve in update my my how i perceive the world like how i operate in the world to match like

01:31:40.240 my life situation well sometimes it makes sense that that takes like um sometimes the world doesn't take

01:31:45.920 into account that we have to get to certain places where we have enough space to look around at our

01:31:51.280 environment yeah and update our own software yeah right and and and sometimes it takes time it's

01:31:57.920 like and and that's just what it is you know but um the media is also gross i want to i'll say that

01:32:04.960 you don't have to say that and um uh i think the media is very gross these days there's countless

01:32:10.080 things that are printed all the time and said that have no uh jurisprudence is that a word nick

01:32:18.080 why am i saying that sounds right jurisprudence i don't know what oh it just means a legal system

01:32:25.680 oh yeah yeah i just don't know merit i don't know i think i remember just reading uh scarlet letter

01:32:31.760 and that popped into my head for some reason but i'm forever stuck on whatever books i read like

01:32:36.160 like in ninth grade bro forever dude people like bro you you have a good vocabulary i'm like dude

01:32:42.560 if it wasn't in uh the scarlet letter dude i don't know it um but no it's interesting man and

01:32:49.840 especially i think learning more about you you see like oh well this is this guy has had to kind of

01:32:54.240 like create his own operating software to fit what works with him in his world you know and that's um

01:33:01.600 a lot of people you don't get to know that about them you know um i think society there should be

01:33:06.400 more uh the way society is right now is everything's like very short attention span and

01:33:12.400 very final yeah it is this or it is that and then that's true for the rest of time um where in

01:33:21.040 reality it's like this might have been the case at this specific moment in time with these circumstances

01:33:27.600 this person feeling one way on that day because of this other thing this other person feeling this

01:33:31.680 other way on and then like that situation changes so the people change the next day the next week the

01:33:37.120 next year but you look at you look back at something someone said five years ago and you're like oh

01:33:42.960 well he's a terrible person because of this or oh i love him because of this one thing when like it's a

01:33:49.040 tiny snapshot of a brief moment that doesn't describe the whole of the situation the person the intent the

01:33:59.600 anything but society i think is like so short with forming an opinion well especially with athletes

01:34:06.640 you only get to see certain amounts of them yeah like um and when they go on to a lot of long-form

01:34:13.120 conversations a lot of times they um there's someone you know there's a lot of fear about you know

01:34:18.560 saying certain they don't want to say to you know they don't want to get in trouble you only see certain

01:34:22.800 like uh snapshots of them on the sideline you see a guy get upset two times yeah you have no idea what's

01:34:28.000 happened or what's going on but suddenly you're like oh that guy's the problem dude i saw the best

01:34:33.360 example of that um it's nba game i think it was durant it might have been someone else but um i'm just

01:34:41.600 gonna say it was durant because that's why that's what's in my head but he's doing an interview right

01:34:45.840 on the court right after the game right and the reporter asked him a question he's got a microphone

01:34:50.320 in his face oh yeah you know the team this and that and the other whatever and he's got this like

01:34:54.000 polished like you can tell like it's a he's been trained like how to talk to the media like say

01:35:02.320 words without saying anything at all like not a whole lot of anything at all basically but say

01:35:06.400 something so in the middle of one of his answers one of his teammates or i think someone from the

01:35:11.520 other team comes up to like hey good game and he steps away from the microphone for like three seconds

01:35:16.880 and completely changes just like oh what's up brother hey he's great like going into this whole thing

01:35:23.360 with someone that he's comfortable with in a different way yeah and he comes back to the

01:35:27.920 interview right back into like the media mode and i'm like if that's not the perfect example of how

01:35:35.120 like what you see is not always what is true right um i don't know what is yeah there's a certain

01:35:41.120 protecting of the realm in a lot of ways you know which part of it makes sense too especially i think

01:35:46.080 with baseball because baseball has this um i have to pee so bad man is that okay sure do you have to

01:35:52.160 pee okay i'm good wow that's amazing when people don't have to pee to me um what um so everything

01:35:59.040 was going so your so your career was going great yeah and then you had this you had the instance that

01:36:06.240 happened with the uh allegations right is that the best way to say it how do people yeah i mean

01:36:12.960 there's allegations against me stuff i didn't do but dick gets out in social media the media writes about

01:36:19.920 it and to be fair like they were very serious allegations like what was alleged was very you

01:36:25.840 know should be investigated and should be taken very seriously um just you know the way the system

01:36:31.040 works it's like those get those allegations get made there's an open investigation you know i'm

01:36:37.520 advised not to say anything so it's only it's a very one-sided discussion for a long period of time

01:36:42.800 right and then that influences public perception over it and then when the facts start coming out when the

01:36:47.840 truth starts coming out it's a much smaller uh there's there's a lot less buzz around it and so

01:36:55.920 the public perception's already been influenced in a certain way it must have been harrowing to go

01:37:00.160 through yeah it sucked it sucked um it still sucks um but uh um so and it doesn't even sound like it was

01:37:13.520 that it sounds like there was just you message with a woman online you guys both agree to spend time

01:37:19.760 together you spend time together um it's later revealed that she had the idea that she wanted to

01:37:30.800 she had a plan or a strategy to um did it say like to

01:37:37.280 take from you i'm trying to think what the strategy was there's there's yeah texts about

01:37:45.040 you know taking my money um getting in yeah stuff like that yeah next victim star picture for the

01:37:52.160 dodgers um and what's so crazy is trevor is i was like three months ago i'm looking at some stuff

01:37:58.720 online am i okay talking with you about this yeah do you feel okay for sure all right um i'm looking at

01:38:04.000 some stuff online i see pictures of the girl and i'm like how do i know this girl i had she had

01:38:10.480 connected with me over social media at some point um and we met up she came to a comedy show

01:38:17.360 and then she came afterwards we went to my hotel we just sat in the lobby and chatted yeah and uh

01:38:23.600 she like knew some friends we had some mutual friends and stuff and um but we just sat there and

01:38:28.480 chatted and then i got her an uber home yeah um thank goodness i guess because you know but

01:38:35.040 but that it just blew i'm like looking i'm like how do i but even that to me because i know she

01:38:39.440 i felt like she wanted to stay over and spend time you know it just blew my mind i'm like is this

01:38:46.800 is this like a thing like was this person like doing this kind of stuff regularly or was it just

01:38:51.840 happenstance that you know anyway it just that and that got me even more into your world kind of

01:38:57.520 yeah and uh and i really started to look back at what had gone on and and man it was just

01:39:03.040 i think a lot of people felt like it was just a really raw deal yeah i mean i certainly feel that way

01:39:09.040 um i can't change it obviously at this point like it it is what it is like the situation happened um

01:39:17.920 i've had to i've had to do like two like two main things one i've had to like self-reflect okay how

01:39:29.920 did i get into this situation where like something like this is even possible yeah and then two i've

01:39:35.600 had to look towards the future and try to have something that i'm moving towards or something that

01:39:40.880 i'm trying to accomplish because if i don't i would just get mired in this really negative stuff

01:39:48.560 and that's you know it's not good for mental health it's not good for productivity or the people that

01:39:53.680 i'm around or you know wow stuff like that so i've done a lot of reflecting and like looking at

01:40:00.880 mistakes that i made and um in a lot of that like there's a lot of components to this whole

01:40:09.360 situation like number one like my interactions with uh females like in general like i paid very

01:40:18.400 little attention to my personal life because i was so focused on baseball and then when i started

01:40:24.560 my businesses it was baseball and business and i just didn't pay attention to anything else

01:40:29.040 so i just like i didn't think any of it someone would hit me up on instagram and like oh yeah

01:40:33.840 yeah let's go over you can do whatever i i didn't think anything of it and i think it at the time

01:40:40.080 it was like well i i treat people well and i'm respectful and like i don't i'm not doing anything

01:40:45.360 improper and so like that's fine yeah that's a way to live i'm living the way you're supposed to be

01:40:51.440 living yeah i never even crossed my mind that something like this could happen um but you know i was

01:40:56.880 associating with people that were not that didn't see the yeah people were like hitting me up on

01:41:04.000 instagram because they knew me somehow but i didn't know them right you know i would just meet up with

01:41:08.480 them i knew very little about them um that was dangerous in my position part of like been there

01:41:12.960 discuss about the software update like i see myself as this guy that's like even with everybody else

01:41:18.880 that's just you know and then i get into a position in life where that's not the case and i become a

01:41:25.280 target and i just didn't see like the signs of being a target or whatever and so i didn't update

01:41:30.320 my software early enough and it's a bummer yeah it's a bummer because you also you want to be able

01:41:36.000 to meet people on even terms that's the toughest thing about sometimes having some popularity i think

01:41:40.160 and something that's sometimes kind of like i don't want to say sad because nobody's like hey look

01:41:44.800 man you get to have a lot of neat do a lot of yeah i don't ever want to come off like a victim

01:41:49.520 like it was like i was treated no i don't think it's whatever it's just like there are realities to the

01:41:54.880 certain situations right definitely very very positive like being a professional athlete and

01:42:00.880 like having that opportunity like there's so many positives to it um i don't ever want to

01:42:05.920 come off like i'm complaining yeah but there are certain realities that go along with it that you

01:42:10.320 have to be cognizant of and um yeah i just i didn't update quick enough to be cognizant of them

01:42:17.520 before it happened i've updated now yeah like i've changed a lot of things how i do things in my

01:42:22.960 personal life like i'm very careful of who i meet and how i meet them um you know i'm not

01:42:29.360 having the same type of just casual sexual relationships i'm not agreeing to do the same

01:42:33.040 types of like sexual things um i'm not like dating a bunch of people i've like really locked down my

01:42:39.920 personal life and gone back to the to the square one like what do i care about in a personal

01:42:47.360 relationship okay i want someone that's a b c d whatever okay let me go try to find those things

01:42:54.080 actively instead of just being okay with anybody that's approaching me just to

01:43:01.040 have someone around in those blank moments yeah like oh i have two hours at night and i have nothing

01:43:05.520 to do so like i'll just have someone i'll meet up with somebody exactly yeah oh dude it's saying look i

01:43:11.360 can relate i'm not trying to take your conversation here but just a young man can relate to that

01:43:15.760 just the same type of thing it's like and even young women it's like it just becomes a habitual

01:43:20.240 thing yeah you know people think there's but you know but it's like yeah sometimes the reason why

01:43:25.120 maybe i haven't landed exactly where i would like to be um it's yeah it's like have i if well i just

01:43:32.800 if i just kind of take whatever like shooting star passes through the sky yeah as opposed to going

01:43:38.800 out and looking for like somebody that's the real fucking sunshine you know it's like and not you

01:43:44.880 mike clevenger but uh like a preferably a female yeah but um but yeah i feel you man it's like i can

01:43:51.600 all day because people just kind of come and go all the time yeah and that's fine you can do that but

01:43:56.320 if you really want to go out and you and like emulate what you want into the world and then

01:44:02.800 hopefully get that back you know yeah i think long term wise like it's just a much more healthy

01:44:09.040 uh situation for me personally um to be surrounded by people that are interested in the same things

01:44:16.720 that push me in a positive way to get better to learn more to achieve more or whatever that support

01:44:22.960 me in moments that's one of the biggest things is like getting through the last couple years and

01:44:29.040 even today like it's still a struggle today with you know there's still ongoing like ramifications of

01:44:35.200 everything um but just having the support group around you that like you know these people care

01:44:41.040 about you and not the attributes that you like not the bank account or the fame or the notoriety or

01:44:48.000 whatever the lifestyle like having that support group you know weeding out some of the people that

01:44:53.280 were around that like didn't feel that way right and really locking down the people that you vibe with

01:45:00.320 and that like you know have your back and are going to give you some of those free spaces to mess up

01:45:07.920 and like as long as you learn and continue getting better they're not just like gone when one bad thing

01:45:13.200 happens right that's been so important um and i'm so thankful for those people my family like my business

01:45:20.160 partners my agent rachel like there's a lot of other people friends i can't name everybody of course but

01:45:26.720 yeah those people that support group that are there it's so important yeah like when

01:45:30.560 shit hit the fan right was it like did it kind of was it totally a shock to you it was it was pretty

01:45:37.200 bad yeah um i went from focusing on my next start to then like this article came out and then i'm having

01:45:48.800 all these conversations and then i'm not allowed at the field and i'm still going to pitch in two days but

01:45:53.440 then i'm not going to pitch in two days and then i can't take the team flight back uh because i'm not

01:46:00.160 allowed to be with the team right now and then i can't take a commercial flight back home because

01:46:06.560 i'm my name's everywhere and it's such a big story that like it's going to be a disaster at you know

01:46:12.080 taking commercial flight to renting a car and driving from dc like back across the united states

01:46:18.400 in the middle of season not knowing when i'm going to rejoin the like it was a who drove with you

01:46:23.440 um i drove with my agent rachel oh yeah she was in dc and then we were there for two or three days

01:46:30.880 and then drove back across country um yeah it was it was uh it happened pretty quick and then

01:46:38.480 obviously like you have the legal stuff that plays out you have you know investigation and

01:46:44.880 um you know was never never arrested for anything never charged with anything yeah there was never any

01:46:49.440 that drug out for uh drug out is the wrong word because like the allegations are serious and they

01:46:54.720 should have you know they looked into them thoroughly and i respect the hell out of the

01:46:57.600 police for doing that like i think all allegations like this should be looked into with that amount of

01:47:03.520 thorough uh thoroughness yeah but it it lasted for nine months before the decision was made that there

01:47:10.800 was going to be no no charges whatever the whole time i was like not able to be with the team there

01:47:17.360 there was no resolution there's no i didn't know when any of those decisions were going to come out

01:47:21.520 so i'm just in this holding pattern and then there was mlb suspended me and then there was you know we

01:47:29.920 um appealed the suspension and then that took another i don't even remember how long that took

01:47:36.720 another period of time um things move slowly in the you know as they go through courts and as they go

01:47:43.440 through uh arbitrations and stuff like that so who was there who was like really there for you while

01:47:49.040 you like yeah um parents have been parents have been great um uh rachel i've mentioned um she was

01:47:57.280 there my business partner tosh a lot of my uh employees that i consider close friends kevin eric

01:48:04.320 um you know we've hired more people along the way as well that have been like there um the whole time

01:48:11.680 um yeah friends i mean there's people that i just know that for you know since high school or whatever

01:48:21.120 that like would check in with me coaches um i don't want to name names because yeah i don't know

01:48:27.680 whatever but a lot of coaches and in that i've known through baseball a lot of players teammates

01:48:32.240 you had some good support yeah um and i think it's because people that i've played with people that i've

01:48:40.640 been in the clubhouse with people that i've known personally looked at their experience with who i

01:48:47.200 am and what they know of me and like what's being said and they just like nope that there's no way

01:48:52.800 that there's no way that happened and um yeah so i think you know publicly it's been seen as like i'm

01:49:01.200 this you know there's reports that i you know dodgers organization doesn't want me around and teammates

01:49:07.120 don't this and i'm not welcome here and all that stuff but like what's been seen publicly and my

01:49:13.520 experience of what's been going on kind of behind the scenes and and my interactions with people and

01:49:19.040 stuff like that have been completely different wow um so it's actually been it's been good like knowing

01:49:23.840 that you know the the people that i know that have been around me have that

01:49:28.400 uh amount of i guess trust or that have had a good experience with me yeah i believe yeah

01:49:36.240 so mookie bett said some nice things there was an art that yeah um or that that's what they they put

01:49:40.880 out in the articles you just don't know with a lot of these articles man and the lawyers too that's

01:49:45.280 the shadiest part sometimes is like um it seemed like in your instance the lawyers uh use the media to

01:49:54.480 make you look worse yeah that's yeah exactly like that's fucking like so there's why wouldn't you

01:50:02.080 just do what the rule like it just man that's fucking made me it just was sick it was sickening

01:50:09.200 i don't know enough about the legal system to warrant having an opinion so i don't want this to come off

01:50:14.880 as like i am advocating for one thing or another but it seems like there's this loophole having been

01:50:20.800 through it where like you can make a domestic violence uh restraining order request you can

01:50:27.920 file for for one of those and you can write a whole bunch of stuff and that's fine because you have to

01:50:33.600 be able to write what happened and make your claim and then that is filed that becomes a public document

01:50:41.120 you don't have to attach your name to it but you can attach the other person's name to it wow and then

01:50:47.200 it takes time for that to go through to get scheduled to get heard to get decided upon

01:50:54.560 but the damage in today's society has already been done as soon as that becomes public

01:51:01.200 that like you know we we went to the domestic violence restraining order court which is like

01:51:07.360 the lowest standard of proof that you have to in order to get that to win a domestic violence

01:51:13.680 restraining order like it's the lowest standard of proof we went to that and won like there was no

01:51:19.920 restraining order granted but in the month or i think it was actually like a month i think it's

01:51:25.760 like six weeks in between when the initial filing and articles came out and when that happened

01:51:30.640 that's six weeks of one side of the story being out there and my damage is done i can't tell you not

01:51:36.240 to say anything yeah and i've had great legal representation and they've advised me well along

01:51:40.720 the way and the advice is don't say anything and it kills me because like i want to defend myself i

01:51:46.160 want to get the truth out there and then it's like okay well what is the what's the reparation for the

01:51:51.520 damage that's been done here and it doesn't seem like there's any sort of yeah yeah and maybe there's

01:51:57.440 maybe there's some sort of update that can be made to the to that process like i also see the other

01:52:02.720 side of it where you know for people that are in those situations that need a place to be able to go

01:52:09.040 and like get help and to get out of a bad situation and to protect themselves like we never want to

01:52:14.640 discourage that from happening either no i don't know what the solution is right but just like

01:52:20.560 having talked to people in professional sports and like a lot of people have reached out and like hey

01:52:25.440 man i went through something similar this is what they did to me or this is what happened in my case

01:52:29.040 or this was it was seemingly was helpful or whatever like this is a thing that happens a lot

01:52:34.080 again for i don't i just know what happened with me just from what i've been told right

01:52:39.120 this is your instance yeah it's um you know the the general way is like you make these

01:52:47.360 allegations and then tell the person you're going to file this thing and in order and they you know

01:52:52.880 the implications can be very bad for you and so then money exchanges hands and i've talked to multiple

01:52:58.080 people where that's been the case right so it's just like uh people can do that and threat and make

01:53:03.040 and then you have to pay to get rid of it yeah yeah yeah you know i don't know how they have data

01:53:09.920 and it's tough that they don't have to attach their name to it because then there's no real

01:53:13.200 repercussions for them you know yeah um i'm sorry you had to go through that man yeah you know i know

01:53:18.480 that doesn't help or anything but i think a lot of people probably feel that way we all have our

01:53:22.320 struggles and i don't like i'm very fortunate to be in the position i am even with all this stuff

01:53:27.040 like i'm not blind to that and so again i don't want to i never want to come off as like oh woe is

01:53:32.560 me and like i was victim or anything like that i mean i believe that you were a victim there and

01:53:37.040 i'll just say that for myself but um i don't think you sound like that at all yeah um it was a tough

01:53:42.320 situation we all have tough situations in life and like hopefully something that i say about how i got

01:53:49.920 through it or how i am trying to like learn from past mistakes and be better is helpful to the next

01:53:55.840 person yeah that that goes through it so it makes their time a little bit easier than my time was

01:54:01.600 it's thoughtful of you it's kind of a powerful to get to that place i'm sure it's been

01:54:06.720 an interesting journey you know yeah it's been interesting i think in like 10 years when i look back

01:54:13.120 on it i'll be um i think there'll be a lot of things in my life that have happened because of

01:54:22.880 changes that i made during this time period that i'll be very happy with yeah um it's just very hard

01:54:28.080 to like see off into the future when you're so in it and when you feel like you know you're everything

01:54:35.920 you knew about your world is completely like gone like you're basically just torn down to zero like

01:54:41.920 where do i go from here what am i doing um but as far as like updating the software and stuff i think

01:54:48.560 i'll be happy in in five or ten years that like changes that i've made because of this experience

01:54:54.720 um have helped me like grow as a person wow dude you're fucking in it's a it is a high road

01:55:05.360 attitude um to hear from you for me like i can't i can't go any other road because it'll just it's

01:55:15.440 poisonous yeah um yeah so what's next then what's next how do we get to see you because i want to see

01:55:23.520 you go for that second sight young yeah i'm gonna be really really honest with you yeah i'd love to i

01:55:27.920 mean that's the goal like i'd like to play uh in mlb um you know looking for looking for a contract

01:55:34.480 and um yeah i mean i still i've been training the whole time like we talked earlier about how baseball

01:55:41.600 is like my backdrop like when things go bad i go back to this and this has been one of the most

01:55:46.160 difficult things is like when baseball is taken away like what do i fall back on so i just fell back

01:55:51.680 on training so i'm in you know i i've improved like since last people saw me like i'm throwing

01:56:00.640 harder i've developed new pitches my commands better i'm still one of the best pitchers in the world

01:56:06.800 um i'd love to prove that obviously i realize there's a lot of uh you know other considerations

01:56:13.680 besides just talent um at this point so i'm hopeful that i get a job and i get an opportunity to go out

01:56:19.440 and prove that i'm good and i have a lot to offer i think i got a lot to offer the baseball community

01:56:24.480 as a whole with content entertainment and and all that i have a lot to offer a team like one of the

01:56:29.920 things i'm really passionate about is helping young baseball players have their journey be easier than

01:56:35.280 mine so we actually train i think we got like 20 guys that we train for free at my facility in in

01:56:41.120 arizona in the off-season pro guys that come in i've been working with all the pitchers there and

01:56:45.840 developing pitches and feel and mindset and all that stuff i love that stuff so i have a lot to

01:56:50.240 offer from that perspective i think to a team and clubhouse that i'm with um obviously like performance

01:56:56.960 like you got to win games i know i can do that that's not even a question in my mind so what was

01:57:01.840 like the financial because you were making good money yeah right yeah i signed um so i won the saiyong

01:57:08.080 2020 and then that was your contract year i was a free agent after that yeah wow yeah that is a

01:57:16.480 dream very fortunate and look i love it when dudes get paid that's what george kittle told me he goes

01:57:20.960 where everybody's happy when somebody gets paid man yeah for sure you had three years 102 million yeah

01:57:28.240 so that it was a kind of a unique structure the plan i had opt-outs after every year the plan was always to

01:57:33.040 the first play the first two years and then opt out and be a free agent after the third and i would

01:57:38.320 have been two years for 85 million the way the contract worked out so an average value of 42 and

01:57:42.960 a half million a year wow um which was the highest annual average value at that time for any baseball

01:57:49.440 player i think shohei just crushed no way so you were like the top of the heat yeah yeah wow and did they

01:57:56.160 still have to pay you a certain amount of that yeah um i got some of it i also lost some of it in the

01:58:01.760 you know i think um i don't remember exactly what the numbers shook out to be but i lost a significant

01:58:08.000 amount of it with the suspension and stuff like that so and was it expensive like the attorney fees

01:58:13.200 and all that yeah man lawyers are uh very much needed like very specialized and like you know you need

01:58:21.440 you need them but um very expensive yeah so it's been um obviously baseball has given me a lot

01:58:28.720 financially um i'm doing fine i don't want to come off like i'm you know not fine but uh it's been a

01:58:35.600 heavy a heavy hit for sure um and how do your agents like do you try to go back at the same

01:58:42.720 rate like how does that even work is that fair to ask you about yeah ask you about yeah yeah that's fine

01:58:47.280 um i don't like i just want to play like that's that's where i'm at um like i'll play for league

01:58:54.240 minimum and like earn my money based on incentives like i i don't care whatever whatever the

01:59:01.520 structure for the team is like that makes them most comfortable like i it's fine with me you

01:59:08.240 heard i just i just want to go play yeah you know yeah incentive based right yeah you want to you i'll

01:59:14.000 show you if yeah if you sign me and like something's not going right and you don't like the reaction

01:59:19.760 or you don't whatever like you can cut me and then you don't have to bear the um you know the

01:59:26.400 brunt of signing this let's say it's a 10 million dollar contract and you know something's not going

01:59:30.880 right and you still have to pay the 10 million i i don't i don't need that like i just want to i

01:59:35.360 want a job i want to go play and let me just prove that i'm still one of the best pitchers let me prove

01:59:40.400 that i have a lot to offer the organization and then i'll get paid an incentives i'll earn based on

01:59:47.120 what i perform i'm happy with that um i've never like i've always wanted to be that way too like

01:59:55.920 it's i've i've only wanted to sign one-year contracts because i never want to be the guy that signs a

02:00:00.560 long-term deal and then it's like okay well i'm getting paid regardless so performance doesn't

02:00:06.400 matter and i'm just gonna like play out my years or whatever i'm just gonna get massages or whatever

02:00:10.800 paint my nails or whatever yeah like shout out to the guys that paint their nails no problem with

02:00:15.200 it but yeah no judgment yeah but uh like i i'm an intense competitor and i just want to go compete

02:00:23.360 and like i would like to be compensated fairly for what i produce so if i produce nothing i don't feel

02:00:29.120 like i should be compensated anything if i'm the best pitcher in the league i feel like i should be

02:00:33.360 compensated for being the best pitcher in the league and the easiest way to do that is just like

02:00:38.320 minimum risk for the team i'll play for the minimum and then if i pitch really well then have

02:00:43.040 incentives that reward me for pitching really well and the value that i give to the team is equally

02:00:48.800 shared and both sides feel like they won um wow i'm i'm happy to have any sort of like

02:00:57.120 like yeah i want to work together with the team i want to be a positive in the community in the clubhouse

02:01:02.000 on the field like overall for the game of baseball um i know that i can be that i have no questions about

02:01:07.840 it which is why i have no problem taking like a incentive-based contract because i know that i can

02:01:13.600 go out there and deliver um i know the type of person that i am i know the type of results that

02:01:18.880 i'm be able to produce and i'm willing to bet on myself in that way amen but at the at the end of the

02:01:23.840 day like i just i just want to compete like i just want a chance to go compete and like do the thing

02:01:32.400 that i've spent 30 years becoming one of the best in the world at and the thing that i love to do um

02:01:39.280 bro i would if i had a team if i had even if we had a spot here i'd hire you right now i'd hire you

02:01:45.680 to pitch what would you what would you call it what's your what's your team name be oh that's a great

02:01:49.680 question huh put you on the spot hmm what's a good team name probably maybe uh the reverb or the lisps

02:01:59.600 the lisps yeah one of my best friends growing up douglas had a lisp and i would always um i would

02:02:05.520 impersonate him because i was in it was like the he had the unique voice yeah one of the teachers

02:02:10.560 one time thought i was making fun of him i'm like what do you mean i'm not he's like he god put that

02:02:15.840 remix and i'm like he's doing something different like i just thought it was so cool you know so the

02:02:21.760 lisp could be kind of cool because it's like taking something that can be considered to kind of like

02:02:25.600 maybe not the best but making it positive yeah that'd be pretty dope what else the nashville

02:02:30.080 lisps oh dude it's got a ring yeah yeah yeah i'd sign up dude yeah yeah right i sounded like howie

02:02:41.280 mandel saying that joke um but dude well if we could if we could afford you even at basic minimum we'd

02:02:46.240 pay you to pitch here but we don't have a team we don't have a field but god dude that'd be oh yeah

02:02:52.160 we just got to see you back out there there's no valid reason why you shouldn't be back out there

02:02:56.880 yeah i appreciate you saying that like i there's no valid it doesn't even make nothing i if the

02:03:02.800 universe doesn't make this happen it doesn't even make any sense anymore yeah yeah i uh i'm hopeful

02:03:09.920 that it will i'm hopeful that well i i just i'd like to entertain people i'd like to to pitch i'd like

02:03:15.040 to win when does spring training start uh usually like second week around valentine's day second

02:03:20.560 week of february some teams are like february 12th some teams like february 16th it's like

02:03:25.120 they all kind of reported different dates but yeah middle of february wow date with the diamond

02:03:29.440 huh yeah and that's not dustin poire i'm talking about uh baseball diamond yeah yeah yeah we could

02:03:34.320 see it bro yeah just looking for an opportunity i want to play in mlb i love japan i i have absolutely

02:03:41.120 nothing negative to say about japan um and at some point like being separated from the culture that i'm

02:03:47.440 comfortable with and i'm used to like what it was tough and being away from friends and family and

02:03:52.000 stuff like that everyone made everyone there made it so much better than it could have been

02:03:56.480 and i'm very appreciative but yeah i would like i would like to play in mlb i would like to chase the

02:04:01.840 second cy young i'd like to you know try to win a world series i finished second you know oh yeah you

02:04:07.440 guys came in second place with the dodgers uh no with uh with cleveland in 2016 and i finished second in

02:04:12.320 college uh we lost to tcu in the national championship or not tcu to uh south carolina

02:04:17.200 in national championship so i finished i finished second twice i'd like to actually win one wow um

02:04:23.040 but yeah yeah dude it would be so cool what if you got to play with the padres but if you got to play

02:04:27.520 with the dodgers walker bueller plays over there they just went and signed uh uh shohei and yamamoto

02:04:33.840 too that's right i talked to i talked to yamamoto when i was in japan uh through an interpreter

02:04:38.880 like he's he's a he's a pretty special pitcher i'm excited to see how he does um would love to

02:04:45.440 would love to play there shohei's a pitcher over there too right shohei's like shohei yamamoto

02:04:51.440 bueller uh kershaw is a free agent still i don't know if he's gonna sign but i'm not sure his spine's

02:04:58.160 gonna hold it yeah but i mean he's he's pieced up in the spine he's amazing yeah but he's just yeah

02:05:03.200 he's like uh you gotta massage that yeah you gotta get him into that wagyu shape because he's just

02:05:09.440 you know his body's turned so much he's got so much so many innings under his belt at such a high level

02:05:14.880 that like no one's body can take it for forever right um but i mean even so with all the with all

02:05:22.160 the years and the mileage like he put up a fantastic season last year it's incredible seeing what he's

02:05:27.920 the longevity he's had and like the consistency of results it's like it's crazy and their head

02:05:33.760 coach who's the dodgers head coach dave roberts yeah dude that guy's cool man bring up a picture

02:05:38.000 of dave roberts dude ucla yeah bro oh do you play with him at ucla too i didn't play with him but he

02:05:44.160 was uh he's a bruin yeah wow dude yeah he's cool man he's funny yeah they got some funny guys over

02:05:52.400 there it's a cool organization it would be cool to it'd be cool to play you know i'd obviously love

02:05:57.920 to to play for him it'd be cool to play against him too because of the the big like they just went

02:06:04.000 and spent like 1.2 billion dollars in free agency yeah like okay this is the juggernaut like let's go

02:06:10.960 see if we can take him down type of thing so yeah i could get up for either one of them you know

02:06:16.160 mainly like i just i just want to i want to play man i haven't i i miss competing i'm yeah was it

02:06:22.160 tough to was there certain parts of the season that are tougher to watch like when it gets in

02:06:25.520 a plaster it's all just kind of tough it's been tough to watch baseball um because like i know

02:06:31.280 i'm good enough to be out there and i i want to be out there and i haven't i haven't had the

02:06:37.120 opportunity to to be out there um when i was in japan last year i watched a lot of games because i was

02:06:43.600 like okay i'm i'm here i'm playing i'm like in it i can respect what the other people are doing i can

02:06:50.000 learn from it i'm like figuring things out and that was nice to have some of that back i just

02:06:54.720 haven't i don't think it's been healthy for me to like consume and they'll be content the last couple

02:07:01.120 years um which is sad because like everything that i've tried to build is like grow that entity and to

02:07:08.880 like help right build it and then um i'm still involved in doing that i'm still but i'm just pursuing

02:07:14.960 in a slightly different way where i'm not even like i'm not really watching games and um i'd like

02:07:20.000 to get back to a place where i can like watch and like be interested and like appreciate the great

02:07:27.840 things that other people in the league are doing i just had to like be a little bit protective of my

02:07:33.520 of my uh mental health on on that front yeah because it would just kind of it would just break your

02:07:38.560 heart probably yeah it was tough man like seeing what other guys are doing and not being able to

02:07:46.480 be happy for them feeling that resentment of like well i should be out there being able to compete too

02:07:54.480 um i don't like i never i i don't should have been there's no reason yeah i can't even imagine

02:08:01.280 i don't like being negative towards other people and like feeling envious of other people's

02:08:06.000 accomplishments i like to look at things and be like wow this person is really really good and i

02:08:10.240 can appreciate it because i do it in all other sports like i watch brady play and i'm like i'm

02:08:13.920 gonna watch as much of this as possible because he's gonna be gone at some point and like you got

02:08:18.000 to appreciate what's what this is yeah same with saving saving at bama yeah um and and my home's right

02:08:25.520 now i do that with and caitlin clark are what me and caitlin presley want to come to your um

02:08:30.880 game again uh so if we we if you can help us sorry i just had to say that out loud dude love

02:08:37.040 it mr pete that's what i call it she's a i love watching her yeah um but yeah man yeah it's i think

02:08:45.600 because if you if there was no there was no criminal wrongdoing there was nothing wrong yeah there was

02:08:50.560 nothing wrong yeah um you can find things that if you look at yourself yes i could adjust some of these

02:08:56.400 behaviors and stuff yeah but as a human being behaving in the world to not have done anything

02:09:01.760 wrong yeah and to have it's really just a trial that you've been through it's almost like a

02:09:09.040 scarlet letter you know it was like a scarlet letter yeah in a way you know yeah you get branded

02:09:14.000 with something and then you carry it i'll carry it the rest of my life like i'll always be known for

02:09:20.320 this in some way and hopefully over time it'll be less and all the positive things that i do will get

02:09:25.760 more attention and be more synonymous with my brand but like this will always be there

02:09:31.440 um which is which is tough it's tough to i can't even imagine i can't think about it too much you

02:09:36.560 know yeah yeah because it's just such a it's such an anomaly yeah you know um yeah so we gotta get

02:09:45.120 you we gotta we don't have to do anything i can't do shit but it'd be awesome yeah dude this come just

02:09:50.000 like the i would love to see you get to play with the padres too dude they got benny snell over their own

02:09:54.640 thing uh he's a free agent right now i think they got darvish darvish i love i love they got musgrove

02:10:01.920 yeah they got a great team yeah and they just got a new head coach on football too who was it

02:10:07.600 they got uh who the the charges at harbaugh yeah from michigan they got harbaugh he might come out

02:10:14.400 to a game that'd be cool go blue i got some i got some friends that are big michigan fans really

02:10:20.640 yeah oh they were all those people were so geeked recently they had a crazy season all

02:10:25.920 the adversity they went through as a team like yeah it's crazy when you watch that and you're like

02:10:30.000 okay like adversity either tears you apart or makes you so much stronger like yeah they really came

02:10:35.360 together and they put a they put together a hell of a run what do you say like what do you what are

02:10:40.400 your thoughts because you're almost relatable to like i mean it's very scary like any somebody being

02:10:47.440 like in any sort of like a public persona or something or popularity yeah it's very scary

02:10:54.640 yeah right um man god it's just but there's probably guys who are imprisoned right now

02:11:00.800 for things that they didn't do for sure like and that try to keep that perspective and like

02:11:06.640 yeah right i'm not trying to this has sucked i'm not trying to belittle what you went through it could

02:11:10.480 be way worse what what but you're a person who's able to set goals and set and really get through

02:11:17.680 like some of the tougher parts of life by your own manifestations and game planning yeah right it seems

02:11:28.320 like in your life how do you like what did you do and because i'm sure there are guys sitting in a

02:11:36.320 cell right now who can might be able to learn some stuff yeah i think one of the biggest things is

02:11:42.400 talking about it that was one of the toughest things that i couldn't talk about it publicly

02:11:46.480 so having a having someone privately that you could just talk to about it to at least hear yourself

02:11:53.760 vocalize what you're feeling like i if i didn't have someone to talk to i would not have

02:12:00.400 i would not have made it through this um that's a huge thing like it's scary to talk about things

02:12:08.560 a lot of times and like be viewed as vulnerable or to be viewed you know you don't know how the

02:12:13.520 other person is going to view your perspective but it's so important uh so i'd say first thing like

02:12:18.800 find someone to talk to whether it's a therapist whether it's a friend a family member you know

02:12:23.200 a lot of people aren't fortunate enough to have family members around to talk to or they don't have

02:12:26.800 those relationships but find someone that you can talk to um and be honest with yeah like be able to

02:12:34.800 just tell it how you're feeling it yeah be honest about you how you're feeling yes um that's that's

02:12:42.400 the biggest thing i'd say and then having something some goal like humans need a purpose like we don't do

02:12:49.360 well when we're like just existing for and we don't have anything to do and if you can find some

02:12:57.680 purpose that's controllable they're like you know for me it was business like i had a business

02:13:03.360 so i woke up in the morning i'm like okay how do we get this thing firing or how do we get uh make a

02:13:09.840 better video or how do we edit this way or okay i gotta figure out the you know what hire do we need

02:13:14.800 to make so there was something that i was in control of that i was actively doing that i could

02:13:21.280 distract myself in a way from the negative stuff and like focus on something that was like

02:13:26.480 aspirational like okay in the future when all this stuff is done because it's going to be done at some

02:13:31.520 point right maybe a day it might be a year it might be 10 years it's not going to last forever

02:13:37.200 so at some point in the future when it's done what is it that i have that i've been building that i

02:13:43.280 can like aspire what position do i want to be when this is done like and can i make progress towards

02:13:49.760 that like that's how i was like talking about it and having some sort of aspirational goal that i was

02:13:54.480 chasing um but yeah the support group is is so big man yeah like just being able to vocalize your

02:14:03.600 feelings is important yeah oh yeah yeah i'm in a lot of support groups dude yeah i mean fortunately

02:14:12.160 and unfortunately but some of those moments are the best moments of my life you know dealing with

02:14:16.640 addiction and learning about recovery and stuff um it's given me some of the greatest gifts of my life

02:14:23.120 which are great conversations with people and learning how to be around people when

02:14:26.240 and feel and have and and stuff like that i think the humans learn by failing first and then adjusting

02:14:36.400 behavior and then growing and it's a sense of pride to be able to feel like you've gotten better at

02:14:43.360 something or you're a in a better place or a better person because of something but the moments where you're

02:14:50.240 failing you're only when you're in that like those are tough but being able to have that comeback is so

02:14:58.800 important because that's where you feel that sense of accomplishment or that sense of purpose or that

02:15:05.120 you know whatever it is you get something from that if you never fail at anything like life's just like

02:15:12.960 there's no richness to it yeah you know um so i can definitely i can understand how some of those moments

02:15:19.680 like you fail at something you end up in a bad place and you find a way to like pull yourself back

02:15:23.920 up and it like feels a sense of pride yeah yeah man it's interesting how much you work with your own

02:15:28.800 integrity and your own like setting goals for yourself and it must be it seems like you have

02:15:34.640 probably a knowledge of yourself on a unique level that that some people don't get to have man and

02:15:38.480 i think that's i think being an introvert like i don't i don't do well in the social situations like

02:15:44.160 we talked about so i spend a lot of time thinking and a lot of it's about external stuff but i try to

02:15:51.680 think internally too and um try to figure out why a lot of time like okay i did this thing like why did

02:15:59.680 i do that what prompted me to react this way emotionally to this situation or what prompted

02:16:03.680 me to go want to do like why do i like cars or what is it right yeah i'm trying to figure out that

02:16:09.280 puzzle because i'm a puzzle yeah you're the puzzle and you're the guy doing the puzzle that's kind of

02:16:13.920 cool once you realize that yeah because it can make your life kind of richer in a way yeah when you

02:16:18.800 start to like not only am i me but i'm also um i can look at me yeah yeah and it's a challenge because

02:16:27.520 like yeah you want to look at yourself like very surface level like oh yeah i'm good like i look good

02:16:34.720 today i'm in good shape like oh things are good yeah but when you start like digging down like

02:16:41.040 maybe i'm not good in this area like how could it be better or like i don't know if i like this

02:16:45.840 part about me is it bad is it good i don't know like how do i actually feel about this maybe i want

02:16:50.720 to like try to do this a little bit better like those are those are conversations i have with myself

02:16:55.360 all the time like interesting dude bro you're a strange dude yeah i'm strange i dig it though

02:17:00.720 i'm aware that i'm a little different and i mean that lovingly bro yeah i appreciate it i really

02:17:08.080 reading that respectfully we got to order us a trevor bauer um bobblehead dude we got to get one in here

02:17:13.840 on the shelf man we want to i got i got some you do somewhere yeah yeah we're gonna make sure to hit

02:17:18.640 up your all right yeah rachel and make sure she sends us over one yeah even if she has to drive

02:17:23.040 it across country to get it here yeah we want it over here yeah um we just want to yeah we want to

02:17:28.160 yeah man we just yeah i got some uh i think i have a couple unreleased bobbleheads that uh

02:17:38.880 so i was supposed to have a bobblehead day with the dodgers um and so they had sent me some samples

02:17:44.080 as we were like designing it and then i got put on administrative leave before it happened and so

02:17:47.680 they never ended up like releasing the bobbleheads wow but they had ordered like some stock because

02:17:52.000 they were going to do an in stadium giveaway so i got my hands on a couple of those that never

02:17:56.320 actually been released which uh i think will be a cool cool collector item so if you happen to have

02:18:02.560 one you want to part with or even let us host in here for a while yeah we're also willing to get

02:18:07.600 one that has a blank jersey on and when you get your new deal all right we're happy to uh to get um

02:18:15.280 to put that one into yeah yeah let me see what i got i got i got something for you guys i just gotta i

02:18:19.920 haven't looked at the inventory in a couple years but i got something that'd be sweet man um yeah

02:18:25.680 dude yeah bro i wonder yeah dude there's so many teams how many teams are there you could play for

02:18:29.440 so many teams yeah we got 30 30 teams out there um bro some of them are bad dude they need you i'm

02:18:36.800 not i mean some of these teams are dang bad yeah or they could be doing they could you could maybe help

02:18:42.240 yeah i think i could i mean i don't think there's a team out there that i wouldn't help in some way

02:18:46.560 right um but i also you know seeing the other side of things like there's a lot of uh you know

02:18:55.040 potential uh distractions pr concerns um i don't think they're i don't think they would be as much

02:19:01.840 as people think they would be i think it'd be like a couple days story and then it'd be gone

02:19:05.760 personally i i could be wrong but um you think there would be some publications out there that would

02:19:10.320 feel like hey the best the least a way that we could be supportive after you know maybe leading

02:19:17.440 the charge with not being as supportive trying to even the score you know yeah but i don't know

02:19:21.840 that's my thoughts yeah i mean it'd be nice of course but um i'm not gonna it's out of your control

02:19:29.120 yeah if it happens it happens like mookie coming out and saying some stuff publicly was like a i would

02:19:35.920 never ask him to do that he just did that so like it meant a lot to me wow mookie's my guy i love that

02:19:42.400 guy yeah dude he built a house in nashville yeah that's what i heard anyway somebody somebody might

02:19:47.200 have lied but uh i texted him the other day he's like i'm like what have you been up to mook he's

02:19:51.360 like ah just out here bowling man he likes to bowl i was like yeah he did he's a he's like bowls

02:19:56.640 300s he like bowls professionally in the off seasons some people get all the luck dude yeah have you seen

02:20:02.960 like he's he like he can dunk he's like good basketball player great baseball player bowler

02:20:08.400 i'm like i think he golfs like oh my god dude he's just like he's one of those guys that's just like

02:20:14.320 you put him in anything athletic and he's just gonna be one of the best guys look at that wow look at

02:20:20.080 him look at him he's got the walk he's got this yeah he really does go back and look at that walk

02:20:25.600 yeah let's look at mookie basberg on this strut look at look at that you see that little fist pump

02:20:30.400 before before the like it's that that's that curry like he knows when he let it go that that's the

02:20:36.160 one it's just built into him it's built in him yeah dude he's got it's a little bit of tiger woods

02:20:41.440 ask too almost hey the fist pump right there you could probably overlay those and be that's wild

02:20:47.440 did you guys ever like have some games like uh is mookie a card player would you guys do stuff like uh

02:20:52.240 we had this debate one day if you took the dodgers position players and they had to pitch and the

02:21:00.240 dodgers pitchers and they had to hit who would win this should be a spring training thing it should

02:21:05.600 be you're always thinking about this kind of stuff i was i was like poking at him a little bit i'm

02:21:09.760 like dude we would dominate you guys for sure you throw like 72 he's like well you guys wouldn't be

02:21:14.320 able to play defense if we got one hit and we had this like 45 minute discussion in the clubhouse it

02:21:19.200 was just like back and really like half the clubhouse was involved in it as a big argument it was great i

02:21:24.640 hope at some point we get to we get to test that out because it'd be uh it'd be fantastic content

02:21:30.560 dude you're right yeah it's a great idea man uh i like the way you think man i really do and i just

02:21:37.200 i'm grateful to get to spend time with you today man and um and we wish you the best of luck man

02:21:40.800 we're gonna get that bobble ahead in here and uh and we'll be we'll be cheering you on bro i

02:21:44.320 appreciate that thanks for having me on it's been great yeah that second cy young baby that's right

02:21:48.240 get in there trevor bauer guys thank you trevor now i'm just floating on the breeze and i feel i'm

02:21:54.720 falling like these leaves i must be cornerstone

02:22:01.840 oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found i can feel it in my bones

02:22:11.920 but it's gonna

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - February 06, 2024

E481 Trevor Bauer

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