E492 Jameis Winston
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Former NFL Quarterback James WIlliams joins Jemele to talk about his NFL career, his love for the New Orleans Saints, and his love of the city of New Orleans. Plus, he shares some of his favorite memories growing up in Canton, and how he got to where he is today.
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from bar marilou in new orleans louisiana saw and we're grateful to sit down today with uh nfl quarterback
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heisman trophy winner and uh one of the most charismatic guys in the league today's guest is mr james
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Yeah, because I met somebody where I was at the grocery yesterday and I met a guy.
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He said, he always sees you in there getting a lot of juices.
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Good for circulation, you know, good for the body.
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Yeah, I'm just saying he keeps that thang on in my herd.
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Yeah, you got, look, if you can't get to one in real time, keep the juice out of it.
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So, yeah, this is really, it's just a nice opportunity, man, to get to sit down with you today.
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Like, yeah, we went to the basketball game last night.
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Actually, we went to one of my old recruits back at Florida State, Malachi Dupree, went
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Me and Cam Jordan and a good friend, Stone, my wife, his wife.
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And we met a couple that just came from the game.
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They were celebrating their second year anniversary.
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Yeah, she had, like, on her Pels, like, chain and everything.
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And they were talking about, yeah, we came all the way from Mississippi.
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I said, okay, that's not that far, but to celebrate the anniversary, it is.
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So I guess you got to find something that rhymes each time, you think?
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Or, like, for fifth, what do you have to do then?
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Not celebrities, but some of the greatest athletes there.
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Like, D'Amico Rimes, who coached for Houston, Texas.
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Like, we had a lot of, like, sports figures there.
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Willie Mays was right down, like, about 15 minutes there from Fairfield.
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Did you ever get to see him when you were a child?
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But he was Baghdad because, I guess, the time that everything was going on.
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And, like, when we first got him, he was really a rescue.
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And he really just, like, he became my best friend.
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Because, you know, like, a lot of people are scared of pit bulls.
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And he was a little timid at first just because of what he went through.
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And me and my dad was like, man, you know, he went through war.
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You know, and at that time, you know, we were, like, it was during, like, the early 2000s
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when a lot of things, a lot of events had happened.
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Oh, now, ICE seemed like he'd been into some other stuff.
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I'm just saying, ICE seemed like he might have got off into the drug gang.
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We got her from a, from a kid, from a, is it, is it a little or a kid, kitty?
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And we had her, and she was just, she was feisty.
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Yeah, it seemed like you might have, did y'all have a cat or not?
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You don't see a lot of, did y'all ever own a cat?
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One of my best friends, I don't, like, he, he's a cat guy.
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You don't see, I'm gonna, I, I, I think, you don't see a lot of brothers with cats either,
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Nah, like, honestly, growing up, I used to see a lot of stray cats.
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Because, like, in the house I grew in, we had a lot of, a lot of rats, like, in the
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So, like, cats, they'll come and get them rats.
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Like, it was really, like, I was a big fan of Tom and Jerry.
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And, like, it's like, I had real life Tom and Jerry moments.
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Like, we had pit bulls straight up in the back.
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Hey, man, it was a lot of, it was a lot of species multiplying.
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I'm trying to tell you, cockroaches, everything.
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Oh, at night, you've turned it, yeah, you turn the lights off, you hear some romantic music
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One of the most memorable things was the light bugs.
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Well, I think there's so much light now that's in the cities.
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Because in the day, they didn't have as much, you know, like, especially if you're in the
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There's not, you're not, people aren't running around with so much lights everywhere.
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You might have a porch light, maybe a, like, a flood light by the garage.
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So, right off in the distance, you would see them.
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But now, I think also when you're in a city, if you see a light bug in a city, he lost.
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He probably got hit by a windshield or something.
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He got knocked off and now he lost in the city.
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But I think fireflies are maybe the ones that are out there popping off.
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I think light bugs are the ones that's out there really spreading the word, I feel like.
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Because you didn't think it was anything in the dark.
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It's like, you know, it's like at a kid, you know how you practice slow motion stuff?
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It's like you would mimic the light bug just going slow, just seeing them just fly.
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And that's when your mom usually, like, say to the dad, I think he's been smoking dark.
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If my grandmother would give us, like, a little jar, like a mason jar or whatever.
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But then they'd die if you don't put the air in it.
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Yeah, we'd just catch them in our hands and let them go.
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But some of my younger cousins, they would just take the light out of there.
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Somebody grew up to be an electrician, probably.
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If something's flying around and they just got about half a wad on them.
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You know, everything is just a new experience to you.
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Like, if I fall down, I'm getting right back up.
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I feel like when we were young, like, everyone was outside.
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You know, it wasn't like a video game time or anything like that.
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Who was actually, like, your true blood cousin.
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Because your uncle had another lady up the street that you didn't know about.
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They met through choir, and that's what it was, man.
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Yeah, I loved, like, little neighborhood stuff when you had your friends and you would go outside and see them.
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Did y'all play, like, throw them up, bust them up?
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We would play the game where somebody throws it up, and then you just run and hit them.
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Like, because I feel like your hair is built for, like, that type of game.
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This is really some Jalen Ramsey hair, I feel like.
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You have a lot going on, man, in your life right now, huh?
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You know how it is, like, any part of your life, like, you get to choose how you view
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And obviously, you being from this city, you know how much this city is, how this city
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I'm excited to have an opportunity to be at a, you know, a story franchise and bring them
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How do you, what is, like, the process as that happens?
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Like, how do you find out that you're going to go somewhere else?
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Do you hear about it first or it really is a surprise?
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It's like a vetting process where, you know, you got some type of inclination, like, when
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you've been in a place for four years and you haven't, like, moved up in, like, look
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If you haven't moved up in a company and year by year, like, you're moving down, like, eventually,
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like, you're about to get replaced or you're about to be out of there or, like, they're
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not going to invest in you or they don't think that you're worthy of an investment,
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And the best thing is when an opportunity presents itself to you because then you can grasp
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When you are in a position where, like, you are starving for opportunities, like, that's
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So this one, in this case, man, it was a great opportunity with Cleveland and, you know,
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you got agents and you have relationships that you build with these coaches and GMs, general
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Yeah, I feel good about it because how I view it, like, bro, it's the opportunity.
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You know, and I know I'm a strong component of, like, change is what you make it, bro.
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Sometimes we need that shift, that paradigm shift to, like, challenge us, to put us in
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I feel that even as, like, there are moments in my own life and career where things have
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And then there's moments where things feel like they haven't, my perception of things
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And, man, sometimes I get scared of how I behave when things aren't going well.
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Or the feelings that come up, the fears that, like, take over how I operate or, yeah, I'll
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get into, like, not as much a desperation mode because I've had some experience with some
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But I do get into, yeah, the first thing to leave is my faith or confidence that things
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Well, I think, like, the fear part is that's what grabs you, you know?
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That's what puts you in that fight or flight stage.
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But when you said faith, like, faith is the first thing that you should hold on to because
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faith is really the things that you believe in that you have not seen.
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Like, typically, when you experience pain, it's something that you have experienced.
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And I think that's why I'm always in this position because my faith allows me to hope
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for more, to want more, right, and, like, and to dig in even deeper, you know?
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I feel like when you are, like, when you think of a seed, right, everybody look at a seed,
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So that seed, but for that seed to grow into what it needs to become, it has to, it has
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So before it sprouts up, it has to go down into the earth and establish a foundation.
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So when you think about challenges, right, it's telling you, like, it's the Lord telling
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you, like, hey, man, like, we're going to have to have a shift.
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You got to get rooted in a real foundation, which is me, right?
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And before you can grow up, right, you're going to have some little seedlings.
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Like, you're going to have a little cracks in here.
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You might have a little bird trying to come and snatch you out.
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But through that trial, right, you're going to be able to turn into this beautiful oak
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tree, and you're going to be able to be fruitful and give to others through your testimony,
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And when you view it from that perspective, now that fear isn't as frightening.
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And when we talk about, like, as kids, the reason we're feeling is that as kids, because
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we know we're going to get another opportunity.
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We know, okay, if we get scrubbed on the football field, okay, we got tomorrow.
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But as adults, those little pains that we get, you know, those little failures, they
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eat at us, and we start questioning ourselves, like, wow, like, are they better than me?
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Or, like, am I missing something that I used to have?
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But as a kid, just like, man, I'm proud of the moment.
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Yeah, the conditions change because when you're a child, you really have so much blind
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Even if you don't, even if as a kid, you don't perceive it as faith in a higher power, you
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just feel it as faith that you're going to have another opportunity that you've got the
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It's really crazy how much that changes over time.
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Because, yeah, it's the conditions that change.
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As a kid, you don't, like, you're making decisions, but you're making decisions off of
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As you get older and as you get more intentional with your work, like, you work your tail off.
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And you got a strategic plan to what you're doing.
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Like, it's some people that think they're working, but they don't, they're just working
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Like, they're not designing nothing throughout their day to actually have an impact on their
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Some people, they just don't want to accept the challenge probably either.
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So having won a national championship, having won a Heisman trophy, and having been a starter
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that has all types of accolades, interesting and powerful in the NFL, what is it like to
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I think one of the most challenging things is you have to prepare as if you're the starter.
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Because the thing about the quarterback is there's only one person.
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They have someone else that's aligned with them that's doing essentially the same thing
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There's only one person on the field playing quarterback.
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And there's three people, maybe four, in a room.
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So all those people in the room are preparing for that specific role.
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That's wild because other jobs don't have a backup.
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You don't have a backup mayor and he's sitting in the next room.
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He's in there signing documents and is like practicing cutting ribbons with big scissors.
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You know, like if your waiter is doing, you know, and he's in a parking lot, he's just
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running fake food out to people and just, you know.
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Yeah, so that pressure isn't right there with other jobs.
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But it's, you know, pressure is for the unprepared.
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Like in any role that you do, but specifically as the backup, you got to prepare like you're
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That's why I'm always going to view myself as a starter because I know like it happened
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to me, it happened to some of the greatest, like you are one play in the sport that we
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play from your career being over, from you losing your job or you becoming irrelevant.
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Like I'm going to support whoever is in front of me.
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But brother, I know what's real and what's real is any moment, anytime, any place, anything
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Do you see other people don't keep that same energy?
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Like is it a, because perspective is so much a life I learn is about perspective, man.
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If you could show up really with a gratitude and really with a perspective that there's possibility
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You become a light bug for other people at that point.
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No, well, what we call to be, you know, the light of the earth, you know.
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So I think when you're in that role, it's not your job to see like, are they doing what
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It's your job to see, man, how can I perfect what I'm doing to encourage somebody else to
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perfect what they're doing so they can be their best self.
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You know, like, and I think that we get so much, like, we all competing, right?
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We all chasing something that's greater than us.
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But a lot of times we, we're so busy looking at other people running their race instead
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And I think one thing that I've learned through experience, because experience, like experience
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through like certain conditions, circumstances, and facts, like that's what creates perspective.
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You know, that's what gives people that wisdom, you know, because they, they went through
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Uh, and, and, and that's why, you know, I, I always, I'm always hanging around, you know,
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I'm always hanging around people that are, that are wise, that are older because their
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Like they've been through so much stuff and they've overcome so many different things.
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Bro, the, the, the, the slowest way to learn is through your experience.
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Why not learn or hang around somebody that's an old, old head?
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I saw them in the women's, in the women's game.
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But for rice though, I think rice just happened to, they got to play LSU.
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And a lot of people, they used to be in a recipe and suddenly.
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When you get gumbo, you ain't thinking about the rice.
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That's the Super Bowl for them if they end up in a gumbo.
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You got to play with Drew Brees for a season, right?
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You know, you could see that he, you know, it was at a dinner party.
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And you could see while he's talking to me behind me, he sees the whole dinner scenario.
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You know, like he sees like, you know, the waiter is in the flat.
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You know, the bus boy gave up on his route early.
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The strong safeties, rolling silverware, the maitre d's out of position.
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You could see he's got a lot going on, you know?
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What do you get to learn from like somebody that's that, like a hall of fame?
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Like, what is the difference in being around somebody like that?
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I think one thing about Drew is like he was very observant.
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He was very detailed and he was very intentional with everything that he did.
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Like, so he had a mission for everything that he was doing.
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Yeah, so I knew what his intent was for each day because he knew what his intent was.
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He led by, you know, showing you like this is what I'm about.
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Either you're going to join or you're going to get left behind, right?
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And I think that's why people follow him because they knew his direction.
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But I think just sitting back from afar, learning just the X's and O's, being able to see the relationship with him in his longtime head coach, Sean Payton, but also reading books about Drew Brees, understanding the perspective, understanding that he went through one of his most challenging times, you know, when they won the Super Bowl.
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You know, I'll let you look up what happened, but he had certain circumstances, conditions, and facts that happened in his life.
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Even in his NFL career, early on in his career, a team didn't believe in him.
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He continued to overcome the naysayers, you know, and he set that standard every single day.
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And like, and when you're around someone like that, like you gain that perspective.
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And like, and that was a year that actually, like, I was so grateful for that year to sit behind a Hall of Fame quarterback, learn how he moved and everything.
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Because me and Drew Brees are two, like, we are two separate, like, he is from one side of the block, I'm from the other side of the block.
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So being able to be around him every single day and just be in his presence, you know what I'm saying?
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And one of the greatest things, like, that I learned about Drew Brees is, like, he helped me with food because his meals used to look so bad.
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I used to question, like, are we in New Orleans?
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Like, we don't got no chef that can cook Drew Brees?
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Like, but he was so strict with the way he ate.
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You know, he was so intentional with everything that he did.
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And I was like, okay, that's the sacrifice that's allowing you to be the elite of the elite.
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Those are the disciplines that you're willing to take to be in a city like New Orleans and not eat the stuff.
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But you're right, that level of commitment, though, because also a lot of salt gets into your joints and stuff like that, especially as you get older.
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That's a thing that happens to people, you know, I think.
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But yeah, I guess interesting to see that level of commitment and the amount of commitment we feel like we have to make to ourselves.
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Because some people hold themselves to such a high standard that if they don't make a certain amount of commitment to themselves, then they don't feel complete.
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Some people may hold themselves to a different standard, and it's fine, whatever your standard is.
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But we all have this level, I think, of where if we hold ourselves there and we meet ourselves there, then we feel complete, you know?
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Yeah, I know it is great to challenge yourself and to push new limits and go to different heights, you know what I'm saying, and be tough on yourself.
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Like, that's where that balance come in, you know what I'm saying?
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Like, you can't be your worst enemy and your biggest fan, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, it's like I'm trying so much, I end up being my worst enemy, bro.
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You know, I feel like we talk to ourselves more than anybody else talk to us.
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You got to speak life into you more than anybody else is going to be speaking life into you.
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Because I guarantee you, somebody else, they care about theyself more than they care about you.
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So if you down and you all the time, how is that going to make you feel?
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Hopefully we won't have to get to no legal access.
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We're trying to stay out of some legal access, man.
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Like what Cat Williams said, it's called self-esteem.
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Sometimes it's hard for me to see what the conversation I'm having with myself is.
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Why do we give other people better advice than we give ourselves?
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It's like we counsel ourselves out because we don't listen to ourselves.
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So when we not listen to ourselves, how do we expect to hear ourselves when we in this funk?
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Or we in this, like, this mold where we, like, we about to turn up.
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We just, like a little kid, we having an anxiety attack or we spazzing out.
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But the ones that are able to, you know, look at those moments, reflect on those moments,
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and build off those moments and not let those moments destroy them,
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like, they're the ones that end up being successful.
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So much of that war is really, it's a peace talk,
00:31:55.760
That's the tough, I just have, sometimes I have tough times in that moment of, like,
00:32:00.200
this is how I feel right now, and instead of bringing myself to the table,
00:32:04.540
I'll just walk out and start, you know, executing a plan.
00:32:11.380
And it's not really, I haven't really brought myself into a place of, like,
00:32:14.720
okay, how do I do this best for me and for others and for, you know.
00:32:18.220
So, yeah, sometimes that's a thing that I struggle with a lot sometimes.
00:32:22.960
Yeah, man, sometimes you just got to be led by the Spirit, man.
00:32:25.800
Like, one of my favorite verses is trusting the Lord with your whole heart
00:32:31.280
Acknowledge the Lord in all your ways, and He shall direct your paths.
00:32:35.440
Sometimes you got to really let go and let God.
00:32:39.520
For real, like, you have, but you have to be, you have to humble yourself.
00:32:43.960
And just be like, look, I really don't got no control of what just happened,
00:32:55.560
You ready to lay down, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:57.120
I can sit here and speak life into you, brother.
00:33:53.840
And I can remember on Sunday mornings, if you were in Mama's house, you had to get up for a Sunday morning prayer.
00:34:07.620
It ain't nothing like a good gospel song with somebody not talking at the very beginning.
00:34:40.100
How do you, like, if you're going to Cleveland, how do you guys find a new church?
00:34:47.020
I just called it an opportunity because you showed me that.
00:34:49.380
Well, you connect with one, if you know somebody on the team that goes to a specific church.
00:34:57.100
But, like, this—Cleveland was actually even—it was easy.
00:35:00.700
Like, literally, when I signed with Cleveland, my dad had sent me, like, a YouTube of Pastor Vernon, like, at the Word Church.
00:35:10.600
And I reached out to a couple friends, and, like, they connected me with him instantly, right?
00:35:15.760
So I was like, okay, well, I got Pastor Vernon already.
00:35:18.400
Like, so when you in that—when you getting fed, like, from other people and you being led and you walking with the Lord, like, it's like the Spirit find a way to connect you.
00:35:28.840
So does—and what about, like, your family and stuff?
00:35:31.380
Was it tough to, like—did you find out you're going to go to Cleveland and you have to go home and tell your wife about it?
00:35:38.840
It's a process of, like—and it was a very tough process, you know, because my wife is, like, that comfort.
00:35:45.560
When you get that comfort bug, like, it's like—it's tough to get anybody off their pivot foot when they comfortable.
00:35:54.940
If I got me a—like a—give me a Powerade and sit me down somewhere, I'm—leave me be for a little bit.
00:36:01.660
Well, I think—and it's kind of like a—especially with this city, because my wife, her family is from the West Bank.
00:36:11.280
Like, so her dad, her dad from the West Bank, and, like—and she was so rooted.
00:36:15.160
She was so rooted here, had family here, and it was just tough.
00:36:20.560
Transition is always tough, you know, but, you know, we're one, and I want her to go with me.
00:36:27.620
I'm like, yeah, baby, you can stay here if you want to, whatever you want.
00:36:29.880
But in the back of my mind, like, I don't need you to stay here.
00:36:31.920
Like, you with me, I got my babies, you know what I'm saying?
00:36:48.720
But whether it's tough, man, like, it's an opportunity, you know.
00:37:08.480
But then there is that fear that comes with it.
00:37:10.540
And it's like, how do I manage the fear while I'm doing this new thing,
00:37:20.980
Because I'm talking about, like, communicating with people.
00:37:24.240
And he was like, man, when you have that fear, it's better to do than be scared.
00:37:28.140
Because you're scared, you're just sitting there.
00:37:30.960
And, like, he told me, I was like, I was like, dang, Joe, like, what you doing?
00:37:38.880
And once you start doing, like, eventually that fear starts being in that rearview mirror.
00:37:46.880
Yeah, because a lot of times, man, there'll be opportunities.
00:37:48.840
And I get so fearful, I stand there like this, like Barry Sanders.
00:37:55.500
He was cut and moving and getting north and south.
00:38:01.700
And then the opportunities will disappear because I didn't make a choice.
00:38:06.320
That's happened to me before in life, you know, where it's like I just, yeah.
00:38:11.460
Because if you go, you might realize one is wrong and you could get both of them and see and find the right one.
00:38:16.760
But when you were growing up, I know I've heard you talk about your dad was your coach, you know.
00:38:22.960
And you guys all lived at y'all's house, y'all's family.
00:38:26.320
Because, yeah, when I was growing up, a lot of black, a lot of my black friends didn't have families like that.
00:38:31.360
You know, they didn't have that family community.
00:38:36.360
Was that like, was it popular in your area that a lot of guys did?
00:38:44.480
And does it make you feel almost like would other kids clown you because you had that?
00:38:50.140
Because like when I was growing up, like in our neighborhood, if you made some grades, good grades, a lot of kids would clown you.
00:38:58.480
They would just cook you, you know, for trying to do better.
00:39:02.780
Well, I was clowning more for being a nerd, making good grades.
00:39:10.220
I'm very grateful to have my father in my life.
00:39:12.320
The sacrifices that he made for me has definitely allowed me to be where I'm at right now.
00:39:24.200
But the women in my life, my grandmother, well, my mother, my grandmothers, my grandmothers, my aunts, they were the inspiration.
00:39:33.260
Like because when you are in an environment and I had my uncles and stuff, my mom was the youngest 11.
00:39:38.420
And I grew up, I grew up in a home where, you know, my uncles and aunts, they all in the house and my cousins.
00:39:45.740
But it was, it was perspective, you know, because like it's levels to it.
00:39:49.680
Like you got people that are 50, you got kids that are two, you got teenagers and you got like people that's going through a midlife crisis.
00:39:57.320
You know, so you learning, you learning from everybody and you picking from like, okay, I probably shouldn't be doing that.
00:40:04.640
Oh, grandma really don't condone that, but I kind of like that.
00:40:07.680
You know, so it's, it's a different variety of things.
00:40:11.920
It's a lot of stuff you to learn, but when you don't have guidance, when you don't have a father who is, even if they're not perfect, I think a lot of people get caught up in like, oh, like I expected you to be perfect.
00:40:22.280
But you realize like ain't nobody really perfect.
00:40:24.400
Like, even if your father or if you don't have a father, even the people around you, the men in your life, the women in your life aren't perfect.
00:40:32.360
You're going to go through the same human experiences that they're going through.
00:40:37.040
So I never got picked on for having a daddy, but I definitely got picked on for being a nerd.
00:40:43.420
I never got to ask somebody, you know, because in, yeah.
00:40:46.840
I think a lot of people look at people like, like the reason you successful because you had a dad in your life.
00:40:52.680
I'm like, man, do you not know who LeBron James is?
00:40:55.720
Like he is known for not having a dad in his life and he LeBron James.
00:40:59.780
Like, but like a lot of people use that because of the, honestly, the built up emotion or the built up anger that they have against another man.
00:41:14.280
Like, like I think that, that kind of overshadows, like there's every, I think every kid deserves to have a daddy.
00:41:24.100
Like people have different personalities that don't condone the father might be in the house.
00:41:28.840
The daddy might want to be in the baby life and the mama probably don't want him in the life or the mama not in the baby life.
00:41:34.840
You know, it's been, it's been, I was talking to a man in the sauna today, you know, and he was talking about how his daddy wins life and his mama died when he was 10.
00:41:45.760
And he's still, he's still doing well for himself.
00:41:47.960
And he was talking about, we were talking about our kids.
00:41:50.800
Like, like how are we supposed to speak life into our kids?
00:41:53.240
He was telling me that he had a son that was 10 and he loved video games and social media.
00:41:58.200
You know, he said he had another son that had those 14 had down syndrome.
00:42:02.040
He had a step, a step that I don't want to get on to this man business, but it was a true direct correlation with he didn't have his dad in his life.
00:42:10.640
He didn't have his mom in his life, but he still found a way to make something out of nothing.
00:42:16.940
And I think we get so caught up in the, oh, pity part.
00:42:22.840
It's like, yo, you ain't have a dad in your life.
00:42:32.640
It's like, okay, what are we going to, like, what is the footprint we going to leave?
00:42:35.980
Are we going to say that we are who we are because we didn't have a daddy in our life or our mama was crazy to us?
00:42:42.960
Or are we going to say like, look, my, my situation was not, it wasn't ideal, you know?
00:42:49.680
But I, but I know through those, through those circumstances, through those experiences that I've grew and I've gained a lot of knowledge.
00:43:01.480
And, but at the end of the day, I'm going to be the one to decide, you know, my fate is my, is my response.
00:43:14.020
Now I might have certain conditions, facts, and circumstances that may have led to some of them decisions.
00:43:22.100
But at the end of the day, it's still my responsibility.
00:43:24.840
Because when you get out of that childhood, when you get out of that kid stage and you're an adult, ain't nobody looking at you like, oh, he must have had a dad, a father in his life.
00:43:42.420
I think there's aspects of my life where I've, like, I think I was like a late bloomer too, like realizing a lot of stuff and getting past like a lot of childhood stuff.
00:43:50.900
But I certainly feel like I'm at a point now where I want to grow up more in some areas, you know?
00:43:58.720
I pray that God makes me more willing to advance in some of these places and to let go of some resentments and help like soften some of the discomfort that I have in places.
00:44:11.900
Because sometimes there's things that are still hooking you to your past, you know?
00:44:15.180
And it's like, sometimes it's hard to get, you know, like when you have like a, you had a boat dock and you got the things tied up.
00:44:22.000
And some drunk guy tied the one and he tied a damn Christmas bow on it or something you can't get.
00:44:28.420
I really believe we have certain curses that are on us, that were put on us through our family, through generations, you know, of them, you know, living a life.
00:44:39.580
But I also believe in that bondage, that true peace.
00:44:43.160
And, you know, again, let's talk about our faith.
00:44:46.780
Let's talk about accepting our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, man, and being separated from all that bondage and realizing like it is my life.
00:44:54.120
I am free from everything that I feel like is holding me back to go do what I need to do for this world, for me.
00:45:06.180
I know you're not saying it's possible for everybody easily, but it's something we have to hear.
00:45:18.240
And I think that's why you're even saying it right now.
00:45:20.920
And we're in the same space because, yeah, I need to be reminded of that, that how long do I want to sit and look at the chains instead of look out the window?
00:45:29.780
You know, like how, you know, like at a certain point, even my eyes are tired of looking at those chains.
00:45:36.920
Like, man, I, uh, so I, I'm, I'm every time, every year, Black History Month, like I want to learn something new about black history.
00:45:45.060
And obviously being from the South, like my image on slavery and Jim Crow laws in the dirty South is just this gruesome image of like white versus black.
00:45:55.280
And like, oh, I can't believe, like they, they look at us.
00:45:59.400
Uh, they, they are like, it's, it's, it's way, it's a hundred years from now, but it's very recent.
00:46:03.260
Um, but I, but I, I got, I got this respect when I was watching this masterclass, um, about, uh, African-American history, black history on masterclass.
00:46:13.080
And when my perspective was changed from all the great things that African-Americans have accomplished, besides all the, the treacherous things that African-Americans went through, I started to see again, that light that's inside of me.
00:46:32.740
My people went through some terrible circumstances.
00:46:36.220
They went through a rough time, but man, look at how my people overcame.
00:46:46.080
You count, you came to a world where you were enslaved.
00:46:57.060
And see, and see if you could, if you could, if you could sense anything, you know what I'm saying?
00:47:00.840
It's just, it's just wildness, you know, and it's, and it's truly.
00:47:04.360
I get jealous of black community sometimes because they got the best origin story.
00:47:07.540
Like I always liked the, uh, like if you look at a superhero or something, you got that, you got to have that origin story.
00:47:14.360
And it's easy for me to like, I'm not going to say like, Oh, what a unique origin story.
00:47:20.220
Cause obviously I know that there's tons of things that I don't even understand in it.
00:47:24.820
Like when somebody looks in a, takes a 23 and me or something, they can't even, or they don't even know past where their grandparents are from.
00:47:33.940
You know, I don't know what it feels like to be in a place where you showed up as a commodity, you know, like I don't have, I don't know any of what that really feels like, you know?
00:47:44.660
Um, but, um, I do think it's, uh, there is something interesting about having a, an origin story that you can derive.
00:47:56.880
If you're able to start to turn a corner in your perspective, um, while still acknowledging the past, but to have it be, uh, one of looking forward.
00:48:11.180
Well, I think you got to acknowledge the past because that's how you learn.
00:48:15.280
Um, but, but also believe that when you, when you have a knowledge of the past, you gotta, you gotta think about ways that you can change it.
00:48:24.680
Not think of like, at first I was so into like, okay, this is me.
00:48:31.500
Like, this is why I'm behind and my dad ain't living in a multimillion dollar house.
00:48:38.160
We don't have generational wealth because we couldn't have generational wealth.
00:48:41.360
Like, but now I look at it as like, man, like, okay, I got this light.
00:48:46.440
Let me use it because people before me could sacrifice way more than me in this, in this
00:48:54.420
part right now, and they still found a way to do it.
00:48:58.380
So it would be ignorant of me to think that I'm not able to do something.
00:49:04.240
Just because the limitations and the restrictions now, now it is now systematic racism and stuff.
00:49:16.080
That you can focus on, that you can, like the communities that you build, like you gotta surround yourself with those people that are thinking like that.
00:49:24.660
Well, the long, and if you only look at yourself as a victim, then it's impossible to really advance yourself for anybody.
00:49:32.280
Like if I only look at the parts of me that, like if I only see myself as a victim, right?
00:49:40.840
And that's all I see myself as, it's going to be really hard for me to have new opportunity because I don't have any perspective.
00:49:50.100
Man, I learned this, like I was talking to one of my mentors and he shared this with me.
00:49:59.160
He was like, you are not what you think you are, but what you think you are.
00:50:06.160
Like, is that the perspective, like we all think like, oh, I'm this type of person, but we're not thinking about the stuff that we put into our mind on a daily basis.
00:50:16.320
Like what we think and what we set our attention to is really what we are.
00:50:19.460
Not what we may think how people view us or how we may even view ourselves, but what we think and like, like poor, like being poor, like that's a mentality.
00:50:32.120
Like these people just got, like me, Mills said, like it's levels to it.
00:50:36.420
Like when you are, have a poor mindset, like, man, that's, that's, that's struggle.
00:50:45.700
But man, I didn't see people like with no shoes, toes coming out their shoes that are happier than ever.
00:51:10.780
I remember I've gone to some different places like India, different places.
00:51:13.400
You see these kids show up and they're just living, man.
00:51:16.780
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00:54:15.840
So I just wonder how does that, because sometimes it's hard enough you're married.
00:54:24.500
And if some of my in-laws will get involved in a discussion, sometimes it can be challenging.
00:54:30.760
So if you got an in-law, I mean, you got a dang neck neighbor, you know?
00:54:42.440
I'm just saying, how tough would it be to manage a...
00:54:46.820
What I'm really trying to picture, like, is he dealing with one woman or two women?
00:54:57.340
Because if he's dealing with two women, then right on, brother.
00:55:06.880
Yeah, does he really want to be Mormon, I'm wondering, you know?
00:55:20.640
I've never been to a Mormon church, but I've had a lot of Mormon teammates.
00:55:26.160
And they're the nicest people that you can ever be a teammate with.
00:55:32.400
I've been before to, like, in Salt Lake, you can go see, like, Luther...
00:55:43.500
Yeah, you can go see, like, the campus, the Mormon campus and everything.
00:55:49.660
Jameis, when you look at guys like Caleb Williams has caught a lot of flack this year, I think
00:55:57.180
more than, to me, it feels like just as a fan, it feels like he's caught more flack than
00:56:04.640
anybody, a starting quarterback in a long time who's going to come out of the draft.
00:56:09.660
Recently, they're talking about him for having a pink phone case or just his fingernail polos.
00:56:19.600
It seems like a level of scrutiny that's almost gone overboard, man.
00:56:25.460
I think, like, to whom much is given, much is required.
00:56:27.760
And when you are in a position, as he is, and when you reach a level of excellence that
00:56:35.300
he has attained as being an excellent college quarterback, it just comes with the territory.
00:56:41.180
You know, and I think, like, if I was in his shoes, I know what it's like to be scrutinized
00:56:53.040
You have to get closer to the people that's around you.
00:56:58.180
Like, I don't know about the fingernail polish and the lipstick and stuff.
00:57:04.380
Oh, look, we've all been to, yeah, we've all had a moment or something.
00:57:13.580
And I know that character is what you do when no one is looking.
00:57:20.140
So I just, I pray that he is focusing on his character.
00:57:45.020
I was like booming sooner ever since then, you know?
00:57:47.240
So that's why I like Baker Mayfield, Colin Murray.
00:57:50.960
Bro, is there anybody more fun to cheer for than Baker, I feel like?
00:58:01.000
I mean, the opposition had him at like, it's almost a wrap.
00:58:15.120
There's so many stories that people just continue to push through.
00:58:17.660
Like, you're going to come out on the other side.
00:58:20.680
I feel like he's one of those guys that everybody, if you don't support Baker, I don't understand
00:58:27.540
But do you feel like the media's at a place where it's just, or it's just always going
00:58:30.840
It just feels like this year, like, they've gone crazy on him.
00:58:34.560
Like, it's a young guy trying to be a good quarterback.
00:58:38.580
Man, and like, these are kids that they're scrutinizing.
00:58:43.920
But in the common eye, you can be a kid, but if you're a celebrity, you're a grown man.
00:58:52.040
And like, and now everyone's so entitled to say whatever they want to say.
00:58:57.000
And like, and as media, we are attracted to those negative things.
00:59:01.920
Like, we're not attracted to, like, oh, Caleb Williams had a football camp with 300
00:59:21.400
He'll probably have a dang housewares collection in a couple months, according to the media.
00:59:31.040
But no, I think it's like, yeah, nobody wants to, but yeah, we don't look at, we don't
00:59:36.640
Man, I don't think, I don't think like the world, like life, like obviously we say life
00:59:40.600
ain't fair, but people's opinion really not fair, bro.
00:59:45.020
Like, I mean, like, everyone gets this public persona, but no one really knows who that person
00:59:55.220
You know, like, again, let's go back to the social media thing.
01:00:00.320
But again, like, I know people that are broke as a dog.
01:00:06.160
And if you look at their social media, they flexing, they, like, you just.
01:00:15.880
I'm just like, I'm like, what are you trying to portray?
01:00:25.260
Bro, I just paid your light bill the other day.
01:00:45.500
They went to the bathroom and they standing up in the booth.
01:01:01.220
Have you gone to Cleveland yet and picked out a home and everything?
01:01:08.220
But it was like, it was really like eye-opening.
01:01:12.100
Because people rip on Cleveland a lot, you know?
01:01:16.260
But like, obviously, when we talk about Cleveland, they say, it's cold.
01:01:20.780
And when you come from Tampa and New Orleans, like, it don't really get cold here.
01:01:26.020
Maybe in the freezer section at Rouse's, that's it.
01:01:28.520
Bro, but it was one of the moments where, like, I'm getting my physical, you know?
01:01:39.140
I was like, man, it's snowing out here in March.
01:01:59.640
But I guess they're going to talk about the cold.
01:02:08.340
You know, I just hit it with, like, well, you know, this is going to be our first Christmas
01:02:40.040
So, when you're maneuvering and when you have all these different experiences that's coming
01:02:49.460
You have to be strong and know, like, this is my priority.
01:02:55.600
Like, whatever can be attractive to my eyes or anything outside of that, like, it doesn't,
01:03:08.340
And, obviously, I was an athlete in high school.
01:03:12.160
Like, you know, back in the day, love and basketball.
01:03:16.700
My whole thing was, like, man, like, I wish I knew how to play basketball so I could
01:03:21.800
But, boom, like, God blessed me with a girl that can hoop, that was pretty, that had all
01:03:33.580
You know, but, like, when I was blessed with that, man, I was, like, my heart was took.
01:03:51.200
Yeah, my brother, that ain't my brother for real, but that's not my life coach.
01:03:57.380
He in the dang, he in the, that ain't the shallow end, I don't think.
01:04:02.300
And look, and we tried to, we had him on a brick.
01:04:06.460
And, like, he slipped off the brick, you know what I'm saying, doing the ceremony.
01:04:10.180
We was like, all right, man, we know you dedicated.
01:04:13.240
Oh, that's cheating at the combine if you're standing on a brick.
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He, like, I don't think nobody was expecting to get, you know, their pants wet.
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You just kind of make your choices, and that's it for you, you know?
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It seemed like your self-confidence is that a unique, is really unique compared to other
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Or was that something that was kind of built, or do you think it was just a gift that you
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I've always been confident in myself, but more importantly, in my faith.
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Like, I was rooted in the church, like, old Southern Baptist.
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Like, from when I was little, like, but when I actually started to know God, and I started
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to understand, like, that I'm fighting from victory, not for victory, like, then I took
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I took a different approach to the way that I live.
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And I think it's, like, the accumulation of, really, like, who you surround yourself with,
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like, seeing other people that's, like, walking, like, firm, that are strong brothers,
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that ain't, like, lukewarm, like, that gives you that confidence.
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Like, they gives you that affirmation to be like, okay, like, man, I need to, like, what
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There's been a lot of times where I've questioned myself.
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There's been a lot of times in the NFL where I was just like, man, like, who am I?
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But at the end of the day, I had to dig deep and just be like, okay, like, this is who I
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And if I don't believe in this foundation that I built, then why did I even build it
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What do you think about this new rule with the hip drop tackle?
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Yeah, I think, I think it is, uh, they're trying to make the game safer, but as I've
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been in the league, you know, I've seen it trend to be more of a, you know, a player
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I think it takes an incredible amount of discipline and, uh, and athletic ability as people that
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are actually making those tackles to avoid making that tackle.
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So I think like when you make a rule, like you say, okay, this is the rule.
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We can't do this no more, but as athletes being trained to do a certain way, like for
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years, but for their whole life to just get somebody on the ground any way possible, I
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And, and I, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm happy for player safety, but at the same time,
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like, I know, like I'm from Alabama, like we love football.
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However, if, if you get, if you run across the middle and somebody take your head off,
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And it's the, like, like we warriors out there, man.
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Like I said earlier, like, man, we one play away from our career being done, you
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So I do respect the NFL making this player safety protocol and like doing
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everything they can to help, you know, prolong people's careers.
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I think it's interesting to see, like, and if you keep making things, like I
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worry about if you put so much in the hands of the referees, because there's a
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lot of people start to say that a lot of speculation you see of people saying
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that things are fixed or organized or, you know, gambling is a lot more just in
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So I just wonder if you, when you put stuff more in the hands of the referees too,
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and give them one more space where it could be a crucial call in a playoff game
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You know, when you, when you look at the field, you know, a lot of, a lot of times people
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Like, but bro, you forget it's another team out there and they got on black and
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Like a lot of these, a lot of the referees, like when you get to know them, like, bro,
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You know, you know, this is a hobby for them to make, you know, six, six, six, six, for
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real, make six figures just to, what you doing?
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I have a mixtape one dude, but yeah, I know they had a one video, some guy, he tapped into
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the, make the announcement and he played a half a track off of his mixtape and people
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It is, it's, it's, you got to think about how tough it is first to make in-game decisions
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to police grown men that are playing at the fastest level.
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So I got a lot of respect for the referees, but man, like it's a third team, bro.
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You're not just playing against the other team.
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You're playing against two teams because, you know, they have the rules and regulations
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and it's their job, but they can dictate a game.
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Now, as, as a leader, uh, as a coach or a person of, of influence, like you can't say
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we can't, we're not going to allow the refs to dictate this game, but they have a certain
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level of authority that can't, if they make a call and they're human, just like us, if
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it's a mistake, they ain't finna say, oh my bad.
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Like literally look, we write reports out of the game.
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The coaches are sending it, sending in like, okay, this was a penalty.
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But they'll, they'll literally be like, this, this, this, yeah, it's like, that was a penalty.
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There was that famous play in New Orleans that happened too.
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Whenever there was a pass interference against the Rams.
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I mean, that changes Drew Brees from having a dynasty operation and Peyton to things being,
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He's still, he's still, he's still a Hall of Famer.
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Alex Kemp, an insurance agent, has been a referee for six seasons.
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In his sixth season, Clay Martin is a high school administrator.
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He reading term papers on his phone probably at halftime.
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Scott Novak is in his fifth season as a referee.
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They got to get some guys that are just referees.
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They have a beautiful parade in New Orleans, too.
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I've seen it a couple times when I was younger, but it's nice, man.
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What do y'all do, an Easter egg hunt or something?
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And the boys did an Easter egg hunt earlier this week,
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But it's a spring break this year, so we're going to get out of time next week.
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We're going to wait until it's summer, summer, before we go up to Cleveland.
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Scott Fujita, I think, played for Cleveland as well, and the Saints.
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And he'll, I've never said hey to him, but I've seen him in there.
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Like, he's one of those men that being in a locker room with, like, seeing the way that
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he walks, seeing who he is every single day, inspired me to be a better man, you know,
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and inspired me to check my engine light and just be like, okay, like, what we really got
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Yeah, I think, oh, wow, this is something right here.
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Monkeys have taken over the city of Lopburi outside of Bangkok.
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But this, Jamie, this seem like a, look at this, man.
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They got a dang general out there with them, huh?
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I've never seen, like, we don't even get that organized.
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These monkeys was organized, like, front lines.
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It looked like one of them had a whistle saying charge.
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Yeah, the monkeys look like Bill Parcells with their coat.
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But they really, I feel like they put together.
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Like, they got a Rob Ryan defense going on over here.
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Jameis, I think we got to eat a W for the Lord, man.
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Thanks for, on behalf of New Orleans, man, we want to just thank you, man.
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I think it's been so fun to have your energy around, man.
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Yeah, I think even just today, it's like, you never know what things you're going to hear.
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Like, whenever we do a podcast, you know, you never know sometimes if it's going to
01:15:20.660
be just having fun or joking around or if you're going to need to hear some words that
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I'm really inspired by, like, your story, about how you had a paradigm shift, man, how
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you a man to increase, man, and for you to be vulnerable enough to share with me some
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of the stuff that you be still going through, I think, like, that has a human element for
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the success that you have already, like, accumulated, right, in the work that you put in.
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Like, when Joe told me, you were just in Australia, and then you just took a red eye over here
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just to come talk with me and also have a show.
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You know, just what you put in, man, is you know you're living on purpose, bro, and I'm
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grateful to be in your presence and do this with you, bro.
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Your crew gave me this new one right here, bro.
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Yeah, that's the Jabba Wins, you know what I'm saying?
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And Cleveland color, so Dog Pound, go get your T-shirts.
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Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
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Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
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I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take...