E512 Ed Sheeran
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 38 minutes
Words per minute
203.06035
Harmful content
Misogyny
19
sentences flagged
Toxicity
150
sentences flagged
Hate speech
41
sentences flagged
Summary
Ed Sheeran is one of the biggest musicians in the world. He s celebrating the 10th anniversary of his album, Multiply. We get to catch up right here in London in his bar, Birdie Blossoms, and I m grateful for his time.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
We hope you're enjoying your Air Canada flight.
00:00:10.720
Fast-free Wi-Fi means I can make dinner reservations before we land.
00:00:25.260
Wi-Fi available to Airplane members on Equipped Flight.
00:00:32.580
I will be in Long Beach, California, July 10th.
00:00:46.420
Get your tickets early with code RATKING starting Tuesday, June 25th at 10 a.m. local time.
00:00:53.420
General on sale starts Wednesday, June 26th at 10 a.m. local time.
00:00:58.720
As well, we have shows in Salt Lake City, June 30th, Las Vegas, July 5th and 6th, and Bangor, Maine, August 9th.
00:01:09.880
As well as every other city that's on the tour as well as every other city that's on the tour is everything is still all good to go.
00:01:15.720
You can get tickets at TheoVaughn.com slash T-O-U-R.
00:01:24.620
Today's guest is one of the biggest musicians in the world.
00:01:32.780
He's celebrating the 10th anniversary of his album Multiply.
00:01:37.200
We get to catch up right here in London in his bar, Birdie Blossoms.
00:02:28.700
I just didn't like his inner, like, I don't know.
00:02:45.780
I guess he's kind of like Jesse James, maybe, in a way.
00:02:50.400
So what are you doing in London other than shows?
00:02:56.000
Just came over to you guys' country to do shows, man.
00:03:02.000
Because there's a train from central Manchester into central London.
00:03:04.740
So you would have driven out of central Manchester,
00:03:07.580
flown to out of central London, and then got it.
00:03:11.240
Could have just taken an hour and a half train.
00:03:25.140
I mean, yeah, I'm actually genuinely feeling bad about that right now.
00:03:52.120
And how do you know if the bottoms are Bertie or not?
00:04:02.660
And me and my manager set this bar up and Blossom for Cherry, Bertie for Liberty, Bertie
00:04:15.400
So is this a place where people can meet their wife at?
1.00
00:04:23.720
But do you have like a wife-husband meeting night?
00:04:25.620
Like a night where it's like, hey, this is the...
00:04:31.580
Yeah, they come in and they chuck the keys in and then it's just a massive orgy.
0.92
00:04:37.200
But yeah, I was just thinking like, yeah, do they at least just get to meet somebody?
00:04:52.880
This is where like, if I'm having like a dinner or a meeting with someone, it will usually
00:04:58.200
You can sort of like drink what you want, smoke, stay as long as you want.
00:05:08.400
Some of the exchange rate on the language has been tough.
00:05:11.520
I liked that when I arrived, you kept calling me like, cheers, mate.
00:05:18.460
I lived in Nashville for a couple of years and I got the, I got the, the, the drool, I think.
00:05:29.960
So, yeah, you really, did you guys hunt anything?
00:05:33.400
Do you know, I, so I lived on a lake for the first year and I bought a fishing rod from
00:05:38.620
Walmart because I was like, I'm going to go fishing.
00:05:42.980
And then after about an hour, my mate came up and was like, have you put bait on it?
00:05:46.160
And I was like, I didn't know you were going to do that.
00:05:53.980
I just assumed a fish would like swim past and catch the hook.
00:05:59.500
You know, it wasn't, it wasn't something that I'd grown up doing.
00:06:10.440
Maybe a child or something or a blind fella.
1.00
00:06:12.680
Well, I feel like in some ways I am quite, I feel like you, your age freezes the age
00:06:25.940
I think it's like, and I think some creative people just grow, they kind of grow up slow.
00:06:32.000
Well, you sort of don't have the same, I don't know, brutal life lessons, I guess.
00:06:40.500
When I was like, I moved to London when I was like 17 and you, I was having regular brutal
00:06:45.380
life lessons of just like, no, this is what the real world is.
00:06:47.920
And then I think when you, you know, started doing well about 20, about 1920.
00:06:54.500
And then, uh, you, you sort of like, if you make a mistake, it's, it's kind of all right.
00:07:01.500
You know, you're not, you don't have like the brutal real life lesson, I guess.
00:07:05.180
What do you mean like when you're doing, when life is, when you have like a success and stuff
00:07:10.680
Well, yeah, I, I mean, you will know this with, with, uh, comedy, like a brutal life
00:07:14.640
lesson of like, it's not going to be easy as bombing or playing to an empty room or blah,
00:07:19.660
That kind of stops happening when you have success.
00:07:22.120
There's definitely, you have peaks and troughs in your career where people are more interested
00:07:26.620
or less interested, but you don't have the, like, I don't know.
00:07:31.500
I don't think you have as many, um, normal life lessons.
00:07:35.080
You still get quite abnormal life lessons, I think, because in the sort of celebrity sphere,
00:07:40.280
it can be quite abnormal, but you don't have the, like, I don't know, regular stuff.
00:07:48.220
I don't, I am the worst person to ask if something makes sense or not, to be honest.
00:07:54.840
My mates are so excited that I'm doing this today, by the way.
00:07:59.540
The guy that, um, there's a guy living at our, at our house at the moment.
00:08:03.520
And, uh, he was like trying to get off work to just come down and just say hi.
00:08:10.660
I think you guys, loitering must be a British thing, huh?
00:08:17.960
Well, stalking is more like once you've loitered and you see something in the window, you know?
0.98
00:08:22.260
You see something, you see a bit of tits in the distance or something.
1.00
00:08:45.860
I guess you have to loiter more for that to happen.
00:08:48.780
Yeah, I need to bring the binoculars, you know?
00:08:52.260
That's the loitering you got to really be aware of.
00:09:05.420
Yeah, there was a time when I was doing, like, loads and loads of, like, breakfast TVs and radios and stuff like that.
00:09:12.120
When you were touring, like, to get your singles out there and stuff like that?
00:09:14.520
You used to kind of, like, have to turn up at, like, 3.30 a.m. to a German weather program to play 30 seconds of your new singles.
00:09:24.300
Chance of rain, but chance of Ed Sheeran first.
00:09:29.560
I got up at, like, they were doing it in some, like, theme park in the middle of Germany.
00:09:33.560
And it was just obviously empty because it was, like, 4 a.m.
00:09:38.020
And I start playing on this thing, on this weather program.
00:09:41.080
And then I can see the credits rolling underneath me, like, 10 seconds in.
0.98
00:09:44.620
And I'm like, am I the fucking play out music?
0.96
00:09:48.280
So, I played 10 seconds of my new single, basically.
00:09:58.240
You'd think they'd take a look at you and be like, oh, he could be one of us, you know?
00:10:02.260
I feel like you look like a closet German.
1.00
00:10:08.280
No, I think, well, the red hair is more Celtic.
00:10:13.500
Or, like, the Norwegians, I think, would look at me and be like, you're one of us.
00:10:22.860
Like, you'll see me in, like, the frozen food area, kind of, like, in the store, you know?
00:10:39.800
His parents met down there, and he was born there.
00:10:42.560
And then my mother, I don't know, dude, but wherever she's from, they have some real one-of-a-kind type ladies.
1.00
00:10:58.400
I, like, have kind of trouble processing my feelings, so I'm like that.
00:11:02.220
I'm always, like, the start and stop with, you know, I'm like the guy who, like, can't get, like,
00:11:17.640
Because, like, as I said with the train thing, public transport here is actually really, really good.
00:11:23.660
And then, mate, on my first driving test, so I'd learned, I learned to drive for, like, eight months.
00:11:30.180
And on the first test, I failed because I was going around a roundabout.
00:11:34.560
And my mom called me to see if I passed the test.
00:11:37.760
And I just quickly took it and, like, canceled the call.
00:11:40.420
And then the driving instructor was just like, you've just failed the test for that.
00:11:49.240
God, dude, that's when you got to just, yeah, that's kind of the time I'm glad my mom didn't care that much.
00:11:56.540
But you probably, but Americans can drive from, like, 16, right?
00:11:59.280
But they shouldn't all be allowed to drive.
0.97
00:12:01.260
I do think American drivers, man, like, when I'm over there, I'm like, this is fucking sketchy.
1.00
00:12:09.280
I sort of feel like here we have to learn how to, like, parallel park and do all these other things.
00:12:17.380
Well, it's, I think people are, America, just anything can be a weapon there.
00:12:38.040
So they're not, like, reaching under the bed and finding a huge.
00:12:44.360
I think I'd be more terrified of you with a kitchen blade than.
00:12:50.100
You know, I'm more like a, I'll Julianne a burglar.
00:12:52.280
But have you got a meat cleaver in the bedroom?
00:12:56.060
Seeing you running down a corridor fully naked with a meat cleaver.
0.95
00:13:01.440
Especially, yeah, if somebody thinks they want.
00:13:05.760
Because I'll freaking cut one up right there, dude.
00:13:10.240
If you had a home invasion and you had a meat cleaver in there,
00:13:24.040
Dude, what was something I was going to tell you?
00:13:36.680
And if you make that mistake in Ireland, they will boo you.
00:13:40.760
If you say it's good to be back in the UK, you will get booed there.
1.00
00:13:43.200
But if you say, fuck England, they will cheer.
1.00
00:13:46.820
Actually, if you say that in Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
00:13:51.760
Especially now, like Scotland now in the Euros.
00:13:54.980
So I played the Euros launch, whatever, on Wednesday.
00:14:03.480
And I made the decision to wear an England shirt on stage in Germany.
00:14:08.480
And it was mostly German and Scottish fans because that's the first game.
00:14:13.700
But then I was like, I'm not going to wear a German shirt.
00:14:18.300
I got given like five German shirts before the show as well to like take pictures with
00:14:22.880
And I was like, I'm just not going to wear these.
00:14:25.760
People get so competitive about that kind of stuff, man.
00:14:31.680
Like who's, who are you supporting in the Euros?
00:14:41.640
If they, if they beat Germany, that's a big, big party in Scotland.
00:14:55.760
And they don't even have green grass, do they?
0.99
00:15:09.320
I find like American sport, I find really, I love watching American sport, but there's
00:15:23.140
And then if someone's bad, they go to the bottom, they get first draft, they can get
00:15:29.520
And you go into a league that's not on television and you have to like fight to get back up into
00:15:34.240
And if you're bad in that league, you go to a lower league.
00:15:36.060
My football team, like for the past six years have not been on television at all.
00:15:44.940
And we've just finally got back up to the premier league, but it's more exciting.
00:15:50.660
Whereas like, I'm a big Tennessee Titans fan and they're kind of always here.
00:15:57.520
But you know what, even in the game itself, I didn't realize that till you just said that
00:16:02.740
It's like with soccer, like you can get the ball back in a moment.
00:16:06.900
So you could suddenly be an offense, but on, in the NFL, it's like, it's very tactical.
00:16:11.360
You know, it's going to be a little while before you get the ball back, you know, and
00:16:15.780
And if you drop your guard in soccer for five minutes, your team can be like, there was
00:16:20.900
one, uh, one world cup that was in Brazil and Brazil were arguably the best team at that
00:16:28.600
Um, and Germany ended up beating them seven, one just because there was like 20 minutes
00:16:36.180
But I remember that I was in Vegas actually when I, um, when I was watching it.
00:16:44.360
Cause like the chains hookers were just supposed to be performing, right?
1.00
00:16:49.700
So we basically were meant to play, play the Allegiant stadium in August and we'd set up
00:16:55.920
I have an in the round stage and we have these massive pylons that basically hang up all the
00:17:04.920
So everything has to be exactly the same weight.
00:17:06.980
Um, and in a regular stadium, it's a concrete floor.
00:17:12.200
We didn't realize that Allegiant stadium didn't have a concrete floor.
00:17:15.680
I don't know where that, uh, misalignment happened.
00:17:20.160
But anyways, we put it in, it has a rubber floor and the stage was slowly slipping.
00:17:24.500
And these are like, you know, tons and tons and tons and tons of steel would have fallen
00:17:29.360
So we had to cancel the gig 20 minutes before it started.
00:17:33.080
And Vegas isn't a place where like people like 80,000 people that live in Vegas are going
00:17:38.220
People had flown in, they got hotels and so hot.
00:17:41.020
It was like one of the worst days on tour, but it was just, it was grim.
00:17:45.680
So we rescheduled the Allegiant stadium gig for then.
00:17:50.960
Um, and yeah, we, we got pretty fucking lit up afterwards and, uh, that's where I saw
00:17:57.780
I'd kind of, I know the chain smokers, so I'd sort of turned up and then, uh, yeah, they're
00:18:03.940
Cause I was sort of thinking if you'd spent money on like a VIP table that night, see the
00:18:07.540
chain smokers and then suddenly just drunk me on stage in a Avengers mask.
00:18:18.540
I think at first people like, I was very aware, but like I was just wearing the mask
00:18:28.540
I just know them from like seeing them at different shows and being around them and stuff like
00:18:31.680
that, but their energy is always fun and good, you know?
00:18:34.080
And like, um, I just love getting to spend time with them.
00:18:40.500
Sometimes I'll go to Diplo, but I go to Fred again recently.
00:18:44.220
I like going to see what some of the DJs are like, you know?
00:18:46.920
Um, but then you got up and it seemed like you were going to maybe do one song.
00:18:50.280
And I was like, well, how are they going to get, are they going to go like a little
00:18:54.700
And then by the, by like four songs later, it's just, uh, it's a, uh, it's your show,
00:19:03.460
And it's just a, it's an edge here and people are just kissing and there's doves and stuff.
0.99
00:19:08.880
So where'd we get a bunch of fucking doves?
0.97
00:19:11.840
You know, there's like, it was a very, very interesting.
0.99
00:19:14.500
I felt like people were making wishes and stuff and hugging their grandmothers.
00:19:18.000
Are you going to go to any of the, uh, world cup games in 26 in America?
00:19:37.440
Like, I feel like, I feel like English people and Americans, they always, they're like, oh,
1.00
00:19:43.940
And then you go to the other place and you're like, oh, it's kind of, I feel like the world
00:19:48.120
Like we, we travel a lot and it's like election time all around the world.
00:19:51.040
And everywhere I go, I'm like, oh, it's kind of the same here as well.
00:19:53.960
I feel like everyone is going through a shift of some sort.
00:19:57.780
You guys' elections are happening right now, huh?
00:20:04.220
Like, it's like, you're sort of watching these interviews being like, does your like brain connect
1.00
00:20:09.560
It's like, I sometimes feel like people don't want to get elected, but they're saying stuff
00:20:16.060
Well, I'm sure you probably, there's probably times you get halfway into something.
00:20:21.380
Like people get stage fright at the altar all the time sometimes, or sometimes you'll buy
00:20:26.000
something at the market and you'll put it back on the, like, and with the gums or the
00:20:29.460
candies or something, you'll put like just a pack of like sausages back there or something.
00:20:33.440
So I think that there's, if there's knocking, there's someone doing work next door, by the way.
00:20:38.860
As long as it's not an indentured servant, I think we're good.
00:20:45.340
But, and I'm not saying America didn't polish it up a little, but we've all, you know, we've
00:20:49.720
all sinned a little, or we didn't, but forefathers definitely, you know, had some crazy plans.
00:21:01.600
I like his music a lot, you know, so I'll listen to some James Blake and, yeah, I'll
00:21:09.480
What other kind of, I'm trying to think of British music do I listen to?
00:21:39.080
Well, I lived in LA for a while and then Nashville was open during the pandemic.
00:21:44.940
You could like, you know, spit, you could spit on people and they were still okay with
00:21:57.220
Or, you know, you could, you know, you could just, you know, I mean, you couldn't even,
00:22:01.520
yeah, it just, that mask, when you think about what the mask, it just like, you could,
00:22:07.160
I will say this though, you could look at somebody and kind of lick your lips in a
00:22:12.880
And that's something I miss, you know, just being point blank.
00:22:16.440
I like the fact, I can move, I really love public transport and I can move around easier
00:22:21.640
now since COVID because wearing a ski mask is not seen as creepy.
00:22:26.320
People just, you're just sort of in a ski mask.
00:22:30.400
If I go in the airport now and I'll just wear like one of those long neck ones, you know?
00:22:34.860
And I definitely feel like, oh, people are like, who's the weirdo still with the neck
00:22:40.420
And I'll even put a wig on sometimes and like, who the hell is this lady?
1.00
00:22:48.780
I sometimes considered dressing up as Santa Claus when I went to the supermarket at Christmas
00:22:52.580
because I was like, I was like, I really need to go and get Christmas supplies.
00:22:55.600
But the supermarket's obviously really busy at Christmas and I'm not like, I don't, I don't blend
1.00
00:23:01.540
And I was like, if I dressed up as Santa Claus, maybe that'd be fine.
00:23:10.480
There's no way I saw you cheering as Santa Claus buying bagels.
00:23:14.540
Did you see that fighter that looked like you the other day?
00:23:23.640
Did you not see the thing where there was the Floyd Mayweather, no, the KSI Logan Paul
00:23:28.780
And I was like, I was ringside, but it was this, this lookalike.
00:23:33.400
And some YouTubers had done a thing where they were like, let's try and fool them.
00:23:38.540
And Eddie Hearn essentially just gave my lookalike ringside tickets.
00:23:42.640
And he was only, the only way that he was found out was Justin Bieber turned up and
00:23:57.460
Because look, I just, the other night I was going through, it was on TikTok or something.
00:24:35.060
So that was the same night, I think, that my lookalike was doing the fight.
00:24:48.540
People are going to, you're going to have like, you know, freckled stepmother versus like,
1.00
00:24:54.560
you know, gambling addict Vietnamese or something.
0.89
00:24:59.140
You know, it's going to, it's getting, that's where all going to be bet.
00:25:04.160
I think you can feel it coming up in the world.
00:25:20.820
Oh, man, you and him both have the mischievous look in your eyes all the same time.
00:25:37.740
Caleb came to a show in Dublin and then we went over there.
00:26:13.320
I got beaten a decent amount as a lad, I remember.
00:26:17.200
I remember at our school, if you got in a fight during school,
00:26:21.800
You had to stand in the hall, whoever you fought,
00:26:24.060
and you had to put your hands on each other's shoulders
00:26:30.580
you were friends with whoever you fought, you know?
00:26:32.840
And all the kids would come down the hall between class
0.96
00:26:35.020
and call you a wanker or whatever, you know?
0.91
00:26:37.900
That sounds actually quite a good way to solve problems.
0.98
00:26:43.280
you had to make each other laugh or figure out what went on.
00:27:02.960
I thought it was just kind of an interesting program, man.
00:27:07.940
but I'm probably going to get one one of these days.
00:27:15.380
like a lot of your songs have like a lot of love in them,
00:27:25.740
you write all the good songs for the whole world?
00:27:49.340
there's not really any self-consciousness that comes through it,
00:27:56.920
I'm going to see her after this to have a little,
00:28:13.760
if anything ever comes up and we'll just sort of nip it in the bud there,
00:28:23.680
Sometimes I can feel like right now you should probably say this,
00:28:36.500
try to be like as honest as possible at all points.
00:28:56.240
husbands and wives just sit on their words.
1.00
00:29:04.460
And then suddenly they're running at you with a meat cleaver.
00:29:08.680
And just serving the last sausage brother in the dark hallway.
00:29:13.500
Like a good man over there in Leeds or wherever.
00:29:17.520
What's the most dangerous place to be around here?
00:29:53.040
like a Louis Vuitton duffel bag and a 200 grand watch.
00:30:03.520
and y'all's robberies all have clues and stuff.
00:30:20.820
I love that everything that you think about England is based on movies and like,
00:30:25.060
cause it's the way that I used to view America as well.
00:30:34.900
But I remember we were in town for something and we were driving past the fractures.
00:30:41.820
Should we just knock on the door of one of them?
00:30:44.100
And they'll be having a frat party like the movies.
00:30:55.620
And then we went in and it was just like three dudes and one guy who had his face super glued
00:31:06.220
he was just literally like this face super glued down.
00:31:14.700
there was this in their manufacturing rehyponols or something like that,
00:31:27.300
Like even today we pulled up in a Notting Hill and I was like,
00:31:41.760
Paddington bear is having a coffee with a woman or something over there,
00:32:19.400
he's actually from where's Paddington bear from Peru.
00:32:28.900
is it jam sandwiches or peanut butter sandwich jam?
00:32:31.060
And was he allowed to stay after Brexit or was he?
00:32:34.900
so I have an Irish passport and you can only spend 90 days in Europe if you're English.
00:32:46.320
but like none of my crew can spend more than 90 days there.
00:32:52.840
I think everyone has agreed that Brexit didn't work.
00:32:57.380
I think there will be a time where we will try and backtrack it a little bit and get back
00:33:08.460
It was like 50% of the country thought we should leave.
00:33:16.180
And I feel like the people that voted leave now are like,
00:33:38.080
I think a lot of people are going to be coming back.
00:33:48.820
I just don't think it's panned out as well as we expected over there.
00:33:51.780
It just gotten kind of like a lot of the tradition I think is,
00:33:58.080
I think that's the scary thing about when tradition goes away.
00:34:02.140
because I see America is like lots and lots and lots of traditions and cultures.
00:34:07.020
What is the one central tradition that Americans can agree on?
00:34:13.500
or maybe we're just in a phase where there isn't really that.
00:34:20.420
You'll still celebrate July 4th and stuff like that.
00:34:25.740
Some people now are seeing it as it's like a bad thing,
00:34:32.100
I turned up to my first July 4th in a red coat.
00:34:47.180
Cause I don't think you can fly flags unless the football's on.
00:35:19.380
Elevate every morning with Tommy John's second skin underwear.
00:35:24.420
What you put in your pants can make or break your day.
00:35:27.860
And the luxurious support of second skin guarantees everything will go smoothly.
1.00
00:35:33.700
Tommy John's stylish and soft second skin underwear has dozens of comfort innovations,
00:35:39.280
like a supportive contour pouch and breathable,
00:35:44.080
lightweight moisture wicking fabric with four times the stretch of competing brands.
00:36:00.540
Get 20% off your first order right now at Tommy John.com slash Theo.
00:36:06.840
Save 20% on second skin at Tommy John.com slash T-H-E-O.
0.98
00:36:18.300
We all know there are things in life that you have to compromise on,
00:36:26.660
So don't go back to that one doctor who uses your appointment to catch up on the latest headlines
00:36:41.380
the place where you can find and book doctors who will make you feel comfortable,
00:36:52.900
So literally no compromises here because with Zoc Doc,
1.00
00:37:00.780
Zoc Doc is a free app and website where you can search and compare highly rated in-network doctors near you
00:37:09.080
and instantly book appointments with them online.
00:37:12.700
That's pretty cool because a lot of times when I'm looking for a doctor,
00:37:15.220
it's so confusing to use my own insurance website.
00:37:18.580
Go to ZocDoc.com slash Theo and download the Zoc Doc app for free.
00:37:30.400
I find it more helpful than using my own insurance website.
00:37:46.280
Did you get to go to like the Highlands or anything or try,
00:38:12.700
I guess I'm probably more of pretty much a straight cocaine guy.
00:38:27.520
if my buddy of mine was doing a line of cocaine,
00:38:34.560
but I would hold the back of his neck while he did it.
00:38:37.360
Like that's how close I still wanted to be to the action.
00:39:07.220
it's like riding shotgun on a line of cocaine really in a way.
00:39:57.040
you've been obviously very gifted and had a lot of success and worked very hard,
00:40:01.840
What are some stuff as that you kind of wanted to do and you didn't?
00:40:05.320
Cause touring and stuff takes a lot of time and touring and working.
00:40:18.080
And is it because like a sunshine thing is like a,
00:40:33.300
And in that time I was working just flat out to become a singer.
00:40:49.540
there were TV shows that were like massive cultural phenomenons at the time in my age group.
00:40:54.280
I only discovered like five years ago or like I didn't watch any football.
00:41:03.220
there were some things that I missed out on in that time.
00:41:17.320
I don't want to say ginger men or whatever and take them to a water park.
0.98
00:41:40.360
they put a picture of a ginger cat on and they were like,
00:41:44.620
if there was someone fat on this couch and you got up a picture of a fat cat,
00:41:57.740
The only people you can still make fun of are like redneck white people.
0.96
00:42:07.000
I've always supported people that are really pale with red hair.
00:42:19.240
sort of fun that's made out of you as a kid makes for a good personality.
00:42:24.440
I feel like I have more fun than the pretty kids that I grew up with.
00:42:36.340
He also looks like a really hot woman in some countries.
0.97
00:44:26.420
I just go into a studio with canvases on the floor and just splash loads of color.
00:44:42.140
but also I want to carry on being creative and do stuff.
00:44:45.000
So I started painting then I learned Italian as well.
00:44:47.860
And that was like a thing I bought a place in Italy and no one,
00:44:55.540
but those are like the two things that if I wasn't doing music,
00:45:10.640
Will you listen to something or watch something to sometimes put you in like a mood to like create your own music even or to write songs?
00:45:18.420
My creative process is just basically like do it,
00:45:30.020
write a song every single day or two songs every single day and not worry about whether it's good or not.
00:45:36.900
I feel like some people think that like writing,
00:45:48.900
So shape of you was written on a day and we wrote four other songs that day that no one's really heard.
00:46:03.040
The only movie that I've watched to create something was I did a song for the Hobbit and they,
00:46:12.120
this is the point where the song comes in and your song has to convey this and bring the audience out of the movie.
00:46:17.800
And it was a point where Smaug's going to the big town at the end and he's going to destroy it and cover it in fire and flames and blah,
00:46:26.380
we need you this chaotic bit and then a calm bit and you basically taking the audience out of the cinema.
00:46:31.580
So that was the first time I've been like inspired by a movie,
00:46:39.220
you're essentially working in a creative medium that you don't really know anything about.
00:46:47.680
Like I was so geeked out to be working with like Peter and Fran and then getting to do the press tour with all of the actors and stuff.
00:46:53.700
And you're suddenly there in a world that you don't really belong in.
00:46:58.420
it's like what the reason musicians are obsessed with sports players and the sports players are obsessed with musicians.
00:47:02.780
And it's because each can do something that the other can't do,
00:47:05.960
but there's still like a level of dedication you have to do to get to that point.
00:47:09.300
And I love being on the other side of the coin.
00:47:12.540
like went to one of the Celtics games the other day and being like.
00:47:30.160
If I show up like at a remedial reading center,
0.99
00:47:38.860
but my point is being on the watching it and I've never really had an appreciation for basketball before.
00:47:47.900
but like something clicked on that game and I was like,
00:47:57.680
if you're losing five nil with 10 minutes to go,
00:48:02.640
you could be losing like by 20 or 30 points with the last two minutes to go.
00:48:25.480
me and Caleb went to a Iowa Hawkeyes game where she broke the record.
00:48:45.080
you bring the union Jack to that and people will get a little T out.
00:48:51.760
someone grabbed my arm and looked at me dead in the eyes.
00:49:00.500
That sounds like the ghost of high cholesterol found you,
00:49:11.300
Have you ever gotten asked to go play for like a chic or anything over there?
00:49:42.080
it's usually for like a company's end of year party or something.
00:49:51.400
you come and you sing this song at the time that we tell you to sing it.
00:50:04.580
but in a smaller place is what I would prefer to do.
00:50:15.320
Isn't even your song to my daughter while she eats breakfast.
00:50:27.420
but one time I got offered to go to this place in the middle East somewhere.
00:50:32.960
like Luda La Harta or somewhere place you hadn't even heard of.
00:50:38.620
So it could have just been in New Jersey or whatever,
00:50:43.360
there was like a chic and you had to be behind a big plexiglass area.
00:50:50.380
He would be eating there with like 90 of his girlfriends or whatever you would
00:50:56.340
and then you lie down and he shits on your chest.
1.00
00:51:07.660
I do know that they were allowed to ask a few questions at the end and then you
00:51:12.520
but you had to stay in this area by yourself through the plexiglass while they
00:51:35.560
Are you going to be missing something that's important?
00:51:37.320
Cause now I have to set up time where I'm relaxing.
00:52:04.160
Apparently she's like a hair side of the story.
1.00
00:52:17.680
You almost start to fall in love with the lady.
00:52:35.520
it's hard for me to know what British people are up to,
00:52:38.760
like some cultures you can kind of get a read on them and you're like,
00:52:44.180
I think he'd ask you a lot of very direct questions and you wouldn't,
00:52:47.200
but you don't strike me as the sort of person that like needs to navigate direct questions.
00:52:54.320
I did his show like 2013 when he was on CNN and I found it a great interview.
00:53:06.200
he just asks you the questions that I feel like people would want to hear.
00:53:13.040
Do you feel like you'll make different music since you have like a family and stuff now?
00:53:20.880
I made an album that my fans weren't like over the moon about because I feel like I was in quite a happy point of my life.
00:53:36.660
just because I'm married with kids doesn't mean that like you don't have tension in your life.
00:53:40.360
I feel like even more so there's been things in my life that have happened over the past two years.
00:53:44.420
So I think the music that I'm making at the moment is more like the music I was making in my early twenties when there was a lot of tension going on in my life.
00:53:54.640
I'm sure you go through periods of time where you're like,
00:53:58.980
And then suddenly a bombshell happens and then you have to.
00:54:05.900
I can see like back on my albums as like a lineage of like,
00:54:11.200
And I feel like if all of the albums sounded the same,
00:54:26.280
there's no like heartbreak songs on it or sad songs or blah.
00:54:31.640
Cause a lot of times it's like rip my fucking heart out,
0.99
00:54:40.900
but this is what you're saying about taking time off.
00:54:42.960
You have to take time off to actually live life.
00:54:44.780
Like if I'm on the road that I think this is another thing why people who get successful
00:54:52.580
life does just pause because you like today you wake up on a plane,
00:55:00.240
real life interaction in your actual personal life being lived because you're constantly
00:55:08.500
but you'll go back home and you'll press play on your life again.
00:55:15.260
You've your friend who was dating this person is now not dating this person.
00:55:25.760
you just put it on pause and you go and do your thing and you come back and you,
00:55:29.100
but it's like the whole world has been pressing play.
00:55:35.940
going and touring and that kind of thing is a little separate different because
00:55:39.200
you kind of get taken out of your life almost and then go and then you just
00:55:49.620
My sister invited me to this and that thing's over now.
00:55:54.460
and then you look at old emails or sometimes like your thoughts processes will
00:55:58.060
have changed and things you wanted to do and move forward with three months
00:56:04.160
Some things you're glad you didn't move forward with.
00:56:11.200
What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue?
00:56:15.060
A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an
00:56:21.800
A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool.
00:56:30.400
Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders.
00:56:42.720
an online store was one of the furthest things from my imagination.
00:56:46.520
Having a place to sell things or sell t-shirts or this or that.
00:56:52.340
my buddy Ken was making our t-shirts in his basement.
00:57:07.420
From the launch your online shop stage to the first real life store stage,
00:57:36.060
You can sign up for a $1 per month trial period at shopify.com slash Theo,
00:58:02.260
If you are going through some moments in your life that are troubling,
00:58:09.600
or you just can't seem to meet your life where you need to be,
00:58:37.220
Just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a licensed therapist
00:58:40.780
and switch therapists at any time for no additional charge.
00:58:49.780
and sometimes you need someone else to help you take that moment.
00:59:15.660
because I feel like I'm not going to be able to
00:59:23.420
Or is it like really egotistical thing to think?
00:59:26.140
I think especially like the position that you're in
00:59:28.760
and the kind of like cultural significance of who you are
00:59:50.420
always be completely honest of what it is at that point.
01:00:57.720
that should be something that in your spare time,
01:01:09.380
And they're always stuck in the smallest apartment.
0.99
01:01:17.460
That's what I always think about those guys,
1.00
01:01:42.960
And mimes were some of the first mixed people as well.
01:02:22.600
And that's been since like the beginning of time,
01:02:39.200
you'll actually learn a bit of appreciation for it.
01:03:00.940
I'm sure they put a flag on his back at some point and said he was British.
0.96
01:03:15.760
Can you zoom in on that so I can read that there,
01:03:51.940
it got them to agree to never show it in Italy because he liked holidaying in,
01:03:56.560
So that's the one place that I think they had the movie,
01:04:09.460
So we were actually in touch on email and it was,
01:04:43.720
he wrote Notting Hill and Love Actually and Four Weddings and the Funeral.
01:05:33.400
they do a Christmas Carol and that's my like Christmas routine as I always watch Blackadder Christmas Carol.
01:05:45.800
I've got a massive cardboard cast out of Nicolas Cage in my house.
01:06:09.260
I wonder if his children are loud and he's like,
01:06:14.280
I wonder if his children are loud and he's like,
01:06:17.780
wow it's a great movie yeah god that alone that even just that much of a moment of
01:06:45.220
something that feels so real that is our political system right now in america
01:06:50.400
somebody said that you used to do like open go to comedy mics did you ever uh not for me to do
01:06:58.100
comedy but i used to do it to actually no i did actually i did i um i used to uh play with this
01:07:04.120
um they're an improvisational rap group called abandaman and he was a comedian who rapped and
01:07:10.100
made uh he basically would be like they had a song called what's in your pocket and he would
01:07:14.400
rap about what was in everyone's pockets and make it funny so i played with them for a bit but
01:07:18.820
no for me it was more um the scene that i was a part of was very cliquey and very like the cool
01:07:25.960
kids over here and i was always part of the misfits and uh you would go and play these gigs where
01:07:31.360
everyone on the lineup would have an acoustic guitar and they'd all be singing love songs
01:07:34.940
and i'd just be another one of them just not as good i wasn't i was 17 not 25 i had my songs were
01:07:41.780
very like rudimentary and like not great and i saw uh i found like this guy actually my my best
01:07:47.760
mate jamal ran a uh a youtube channel that was primarily rap and he put me on that channel and
01:07:54.040
then suddenly there was a whole uh a group of people that were like oh we actually quite like
01:07:59.480
this acoustic music so i would turn up at uh hip-hop nights first and grime nights and soul nights and
01:08:04.760
and i would play and i would get a better reaction because it was just different it was something that
01:08:11.100
would stand out whereas i did not stand out in the acoustic scene because it was just the same as
01:08:15.320
everyone oh that's interesting and so and then i started playing comedy night comedy nights poetry
01:08:20.460
nights i would turn up at different things i used to get roasted whilst the toughest gig i ever ever
01:08:26.560
played it was an all black comedy night in um central london called the the sunday show and i was
01:08:32.960
booked for this show and as i was setting up my guitar the guy on stage was roasting me being like
0.96
01:08:37.260
what the fuck is this white kid doing with this tiny guitar and blah blah blah and it was probably
0.91
01:08:42.640
one of the best gigs of my life i got on stage i instantly i instantly went into a rap tune i
0.99
01:08:48.980
dropped this song and this song and this song and the reaction was better than anywhere because i think
01:08:54.640
people were expecting me to fail and because i didn't it was even better and uh yeah and those i think
01:09:01.840
that is what gave me my first bit of success my first buzz the buzz within uh the kind of grime and
01:09:10.560
rap community in in the the uk i think that was the first place i felt welcomed and accepted and
01:09:17.220
celebrated and still and still is like i still feel more love and appreciation from the misfits no from
1.00
01:09:26.300
the from the grime and rap community i yeah in in the uk interesting yeah you know that's such a good
01:09:32.440
idea dude like to take whatever your thing is and put it into go to the space that's different because
01:09:38.980
then you're the different it wasn't to be honest it wasn't like an idea it wasn't like a light bulb
01:09:43.320
moment where i was like but even when you say it though it makes me think like that's it really it's
01:09:47.320
like there's no way you can't help but stand out right so like i think it has to happen organically
01:09:52.060
because i feel like if jamal hadn't put me on his channel and he put me on his channel the sunday
01:09:56.340
show booked me for their comedy night i did that and then whilst at the comedy night it's a very
01:10:00.080
organic thing i think had i just turned up at the sunday show they'd be like yeah and maybe it
01:10:05.980
wouldn't have gone the same way right oh that's a good point that's a good point but you have to
01:10:10.500
change up the environment that you're in and really challenge yourself that's pretty brave yeah i used
01:10:14.600
to do some black shows like predominantly black shows in the states dude it was hard sometimes but when
0.93
01:10:19.380
you killed it you killed it oh you killed it dude yeah and people would stop basically very but i bet
0.95
01:10:26.400
it's either like you kill it or you bomb there's no in between there's no like all right shows and
1.00
01:10:31.340
when you don't do good in front of a black audience as a white guy you feel the pain of hundreds of years
0.98
01:10:37.400
you feel i mean my pain traveled all the way back to england in a boat and and then got off
01:10:48.460
and experienced more pain i was like how much pain is inside of me dude i remember tears coming out of
01:10:56.200
like the inside of my throat and i was like i didn't know i had tear ducts in my is that the worst that
01:11:02.400
you bumped um no i fucking bombed pretty good over the years eddie i um yeah i've had some bad ones
0.98
01:11:10.680
i've had one where you came out it was like a battle of the bands at a school you had to come
0.98
01:11:16.240
out between all the bands they didn't know they just thought you to come out in the beginning
01:11:18.700
they boo me off stage they don't have to go out six more times dude wow and every time it just i feel
0.98
01:11:25.980
like the boot my eyebrows sorry to interrupt you but one time the shit the i was so shocked one of
0.99
01:11:33.680
my fucking eyebrows fell out of my head from um like it's called so it makes you appreciate it
0.98
01:11:40.780
though i feel like anyone that has had success on stage has had to have been booed have things
0.99
01:11:46.900
chucked at them have have moments where the shock the trauma some girls like something on your shirt
1.00
01:11:51.380
and it was my fucking eyebrow dude like i was like oh shit that's fast yeah so that kind of stuff to
0.99
01:12:01.900
not be able to protect your tear ducts from the wind just because you had a bad set dude that's the
0.99
01:12:06.720
kind of shit that people do that we do not need to be going through um yeah i think sometimes the
0.94
01:12:13.380
tough parts are like sometimes i'll drift out of what i'm actually doing when i'm on stage i don't
0.98
01:12:19.800
even know what it is it's not like i'm daydreaming but sometimes you'll just i don't know i'll kind
01:12:24.220
of go on autopilot not because i want to it just sort of happens and you have to drop back in you
01:12:28.640
know i do that sometimes i did that i do it quite regularly on perfect because it's just because i'm
01:12:33.440
not having to think about what i'm doing with with with my feet and occasionally i just drop the second
01:12:37.480
verse by accident and i just kind of come to and i'm like oh i've just just not sung the second
01:12:41.880
verse and the song's now like minute and a half long but you do you get in a there's certain things i'm
01:12:47.520
sure there's certain routines that you just know so well that your mind just sort of wanders yeah
01:12:52.340
and then how do you make them feel new and to surprise yourself too you know and i think it's
01:12:57.020
good every now and then to completely rip up the rule book of what your performance is and just
01:13:01.080
as well yeah that's a good point um do you uh does was being a father something that really kind of
01:13:09.180
like people talk about it all the time that it does so much for him was it as much of a surprise
01:13:13.300
for you it seemed like you had a lot of love in your life with your spouse so it wasn't like a
01:13:17.380
yeah i think it's you just you selfishness ceases to exist i think because suddenly all your decisions
01:13:24.300
are made based on i've got two daughters now and it's made based on what's best for them you know
01:13:29.700
rather than what's best for me or what that's for my wife and that sort of simplifies life in a way
01:13:34.340
because you you there's not as many questions it's just like well what's what's right for these guys
01:13:38.380
and then cool done um but yeah i think you know i was a i was a real party boy like real like i loved
01:13:45.860
getting on it oh yeah in all aspects i got the gear i think i think probably like five years ago me and
01:13:53.020
you would have had a lot of fun together yeah um but i think having kids really really dialed that
01:13:59.100
down i stopped i stopped drinking spirits i stopped like smoking and doing all these you know having
01:14:05.760
wild nights like i i don't think i've seen the sunrise since having kids but obviously you're
01:14:11.660
sober when you see the sunrise with with kids but i don't you know i go to bed at like midnight now
01:14:16.020
even if i'm having i drink wine and i drink like one or two beers um and that's my vice i guess
01:14:23.400
we have to be a proper parent you have you have to be a parent you have to be a leader
01:14:27.240
or whatever you have to or you have to feed this when it wakes up yeah you know totally yeah i think
01:14:33.560
um it's like being in college a bit with like a roommate that can't cook or whatever and you're
01:14:37.880
like do you know do you know what i see it as it's your drunk mate at college that you need to get
01:14:44.160
home from the bar and you're feeding them bread constantly and water it's kind of that and they
01:14:49.100
sort of fall asleep it's kind of like that you're sort of waking them up like feeding bread and stuff
01:14:54.800
like that and then they sort of falling asleep in their chair it's kind of like that dude one time
01:14:58.260
i got in a taxi to leave a bar when i was in charleston i used to live in charleston and i forgot
01:15:03.780
to i guess i was drunk i just passed out the guy drove around dude he drove like 190 dollars worth
01:15:09.340
i finally fucking wake up dude he's just driving bro and we're like still like about 12 minutes from
0.92
01:15:16.200
my house so i get home i owed him like 220 dude it took me like two weeks to pay that guy jesus
0.93
01:15:21.720
god man just things like that that i just don't miss about sometimes just being wasted dude or
01:15:29.260
hiding out in somebody's yard conversations now like if you're having a conversation with your mate
0.89
01:15:35.720
and you're sober it's more like yeah i find i don't waste time in bullshit like i'm not out at
0.96
01:15:42.260
want you know like in the we out but shit doesn't get as weird either you're not you know i feel like
0.93
01:15:47.180
i i say it in one of my songs but i feel like past 2 a.m it's like nothing's happening you're like
0.57
01:15:53.960
all sitting around a screen watching youtube videos and like chatting about the youtube videos
01:15:59.000
whereas i think like i feel like my my friends call me the sparkler because i shine bright for a
01:16:05.060
very short period of time so i'll go out at eight and i'll be home at 11 but in those three hours like
01:16:09.600
i'll have fun yeah oh that's a good guy to be yeah i'm gonna start working on that i'm gonna save up
01:16:16.940
all my good stuff for eight to eleven eight till eleven is a great time as well and then you're
01:16:22.580
in bed by midnight i usually get up at like 5 a.m and anyway so you're like in bed by midnight and
01:16:27.560
then you're fresh ish in the morning your workout guy yeah i like to work out man yeah it's fun
01:16:32.920
nothing too crazy but i do like it but like every morning you'll do a bit of exercise yeah four days
01:16:37.300
a week i'll work out cool pretty swell i like doing the sauna yeah yeah ice bath and i like doing the
01:16:42.580
ice bath man i don't know if they work or not but they tricked me into believing they do for me it's
01:16:47.760
less i like i don't mind if they work or not but it gets my cool body temperature down i'm a big
01:16:53.260
sweater are you really yeah yeah i sweat like if i'm on stage i just drip drip you're just leaking
01:17:00.040
huh yeah i well i think it's i think there's something in the the irish blood where i heat just
01:17:05.680
does not agree with me you know and uh because you brought your own heat
0.99
01:17:09.440
of course the sun would be like who the fuck is this
0.98
01:17:14.560
you know what i'm saying stepping on my turf right here but if i go in a sauna i'll usually be sweating
0.97
01:17:23.640
for like three four hours off so getting in an ice bath almost it's kind of like uh quarter
01:17:28.720
cauterizing a wound you just yeah it's done yeah i like dude ireland was so i never had seen i did i
01:17:35.440
grew up in new orleans right in that area in louisiana like marty grub people being drunk right
01:17:40.820
i never said it's a different thing of drunkenness it's just in the it's like people we went into a
01:17:48.520
bar it's people in there there's no furniture right just people holding each other up i think drinking
01:17:54.440
it's like you can't even let the guy stop they won't fucking let dude i remember we're in the bar
0.94
01:18:00.560
outside of the bar they built another bar around the exit door you open the exit to the bar
0.72
01:18:05.280
you're in another fucking bar dude but drinking culture here is different than um uh america like
0.91
01:18:10.680
we would like i found when i lived in nashville it was like sports bars you go to a sports bar
0.99
01:18:17.460
uh to watch a game to drink yeah and you would see people there on their own drinking a huge vodka
01:18:23.820
tonic just like i'm here to get fucking drunk there's irish bars on the motorway in america i'm like
0.96
01:18:29.020
who the fuck is driving to an irish but so but here if i'm like for instance i saw my best mate
0.98
01:18:37.160
nick yesterday and i was like oh let's go out for a couple of pints and we would go out and we caught
0.97
01:18:41.340
up and we had three pints of beer and then that was it and that it's our culture here is very much
01:18:48.120
built around i would you know i'm i'm generalizing not not everyone loves drinking but i would say like
01:18:54.480
80 percent of the people in england love a beer every now and then or so and you would go out and
01:18:59.300
instead of getting shit canned every time you go out you know like i would go to these sports bars
0.78
01:19:03.800
and it would basically be like everyone in in the sports bar in america would be going with the sole
0.94
01:19:08.440
purpose to be dribbly drunk by the end of the night taken home in in an uber whereas in in england
01:19:13.760
it's very much and and ireland and scotland and wales it's a regular with my friendship group
01:19:20.320
anyway a regular um thing to have maybe like one or two pints at the end of a work day and then
01:19:26.780
maybe on a friday you'll have like six pints and a bottle of wine you'll go out and do the shots and
01:19:31.460
and and blah blah blah but it's far more um just part of the culture to do it regularly yeah yeah it
01:19:38.040
seems like they wear it better here it's not it's not alcohol it's not alcoholism to drink every day
01:19:43.520
here whereas in america if you drunk every day it'd be alcohol alcoholism because i've obviously people
01:19:48.240
take it too far here as well but the general thing i think is am i right in saying that lads like you
01:19:53.860
would go out for a couple of pints after this and it wouldn't be like well i think we we treat every
01:19:57.680
event with beer yeah oh you're sad have a beer are you happy have a beer yeah is it a wedding have a
01:20:03.400
beer is it a funeral have a beer yeah everything but it's not alcoholism it's the culture it's just
01:20:09.000
the culture it's not like i wake up every morning and i'm like i need a beer tonight it's like you get to
01:20:14.120
the end of the day and your mate will be like oh i'm in central london do you want to go for a beer
01:20:18.280
rather than like i need a beer it just right yeah yeah that's interesting dude because a lot like
01:20:24.220
by by the definition of alcoholism i mean everybody can decide for themselves if they're an alcoholic
01:20:29.660
that's one thing i know about that program like you have to decide like there can be like the rules
01:20:34.740
that kind of help you decide but it's a personal decision right but yeah people would look at a lot of
01:20:39.940
people in ireland and be like oh everybody everybody here is an alcoholic nine out of ten
01:20:44.480
people um even some people in comas or whatever drinking you're like that's new um but yeah but
01:20:54.220
like that but it's not the same because i think it's a misconception oh i agree i when you say that
01:20:59.240
it's like because i don't i i actually don't like the uh the culture of like people viewing ireland as
01:21:06.460
like an alcoholic country it's like it's not it they they you know we can have a good time
01:21:13.020
but it's not like uh i don't know it's the same same in in in england like it's it's just the
01:21:20.220
culture yeah i agree yeah but they're good germany's the same it surprises me how good at it they are
01:21:25.540
i think that's what surprised me just that like practice wow so we drink from a very young age
01:21:30.900
uh irresponsibly or responsibly but like i had my first beer when i was like 12 13 and you learn
01:21:37.800
how to um manage your alcohol by the age of 16 you know if i drink this many cans of strongbow
01:21:45.300
i'm probably going to throw up so i'll drink this many cans of strongbow whereas i think
01:21:49.020
in america it's very much like 17 18 19 maybe it's even just getting to college for the first time
01:21:54.080
where you're then finding out what your boundaries are yeah france they start drinking wine from like
01:21:58.780
five oh god they give they give tiny glass of wine uh to their kids and it makes them respect
01:22:04.120
alcohol by i'd watch that online if they had that
01:22:08.320
to be honest no judgment or anything and i don't know any of the children but
01:22:15.300
um and i wouldn't want to know any of them but i would watch them drink a little bit of wine dude
01:22:21.240
just especially you can't you know do anything bad to the screen or whatever there's a youtube video i
01:22:26.160
actually wanted to do it for one of my songs uh bloodstream was to have a video of compilations
01:22:29.820
of babies trying lemons get up get up babies trying lemons for the first time here we go
01:22:56.700
anyway we're good we're good we're good oh that's remarkable do you think about like
01:23:04.840
like what else you want to do in life yeah or just like yeah do you start thinking about like oh what's
01:23:11.480
something new you want to do getting to do that movie thing sounded really cool to me i'm gonna
01:23:14.680
segue into um i've been doing probably for the last seven years stuff with music in high schools
01:23:22.460
because the in my area so it basically when i in like 2017 2018 my old music teacher came to me and
01:23:29.940
he was like look the government is currently in charge do not value art at all like arts drama
01:23:36.580
music and they cut all the funding for comprehensive oh my god so my music teacher came to me and he was
01:23:43.320
like look we're going i think they had to share like between art music and drama like 700 pounds per
01:23:48.040
year like for all three subjects so i started funding that at my local high school and then
01:23:54.360
you see a like massive uptick in like kids doing production kids doing songwriting kids doing this
01:23:59.960
so then i just started keep putting it i built a recording studio there there's like loads of like
01:24:05.860
proper instruments that aren't aren't broken and you just see the school getting better at music so
01:24:11.260
then i started doing that in the county that i'm from and we've just now changed it to do it
01:24:16.420
nationwide and i'm now visiting more high schools and places uh that really need music funding and
01:24:25.220
you see what a difference it makes too because i'm not i'm not an academic person and in the real
01:24:31.300
world i would be viewed as stupid but i've excelled at music and therefore people think that i'm good
01:24:37.820
at something and so i found it massively helpful to be in a state-funded school that really encouraged
01:24:44.700
that and they've basically cut funding in england for it so i'm doing what i can to get funding for
01:24:51.880
it but i think getting the government the new government will be better at it i think oh that's
01:24:57.360
remarkable but the uh the thing that like that's kind of what i want to segue into is music education
01:25:03.600
because it worked so well for me and i know it can work so well for other kids i'm kind of like
01:25:08.260
proof that normal kids can just pick up guitars work hard and and and and do and our our country
01:25:15.780
as well like what we're famous for is our art we're famous for music with the beatles we're famous for
01:25:21.960
painting damien hirst we're famous for movies you've got like danny boyle coming out of here
01:25:25.940
christopher nolan and uh the government is just putting importance on maths and banking and you know we
01:25:34.520
make arms but no one is no one is proud that we make arms and no one is proud that our banking's
01:25:40.260
really good but they are proud of our art and so for a government to be like the art doesn't matter
01:25:45.720
like where do you think the art's going to come from so i think that that for me is the next part
01:25:50.520
of my career is getting a proper proper proper funding and art music drama back into schools and
01:25:58.240
actually ireland do a very good job of it ireland are very very pro their arts because they know that
01:26:03.560
that's their cultural currency you know you two travel the world and they and they see that
01:26:07.840
bernshees of inner shearing comes out everyone goes to watch that movie and um they're they
01:26:13.060
ireland are very very good at recognizing that and funding there's lots of uh irish
01:26:18.120
there's tons of pride there too still because people travel around the world as irish superstars
01:26:24.280
in all aspects and they spread people are like oh ireland's awesome because so-and-so comes from
01:26:29.860
ireland so-and-so comes from ireland and it's the same in in in england like british music there's
01:26:34.300
adele there's harry styles there's stormzy there's me there's like that musicians travel the world and
01:26:38.720
we people are like oh that's a that's a british musician or that's a uh you know british artist
01:26:43.080
or a british actor or actress and that's what we as a country are proud of yeah we're proud of our
01:26:49.580
football as well but in in terms of like art um and it's so weird that no importance is being put
01:26:56.480
on it it's not even that the importance isn't being put on it it's like completely stripping
01:27:00.240
the importance of it and just being like this doesn't matter but i'm sorry to get all no but
01:27:04.540
when you when you kill that in a culture it's it's horrible man even like you said like when you said
01:27:09.120
earlier about like going to that nba game right you don't realize till you sit there at the front
01:27:13.420
row or until you get close to something how important it is how important it is or what are you
01:27:18.280
if you could even be good at it like i remember stand-up comedy i'd seen it like videos people had
01:27:23.680
like um dvds would get passed around the neighborhood like chris rock and stuff like
01:27:28.320
that and i'm like oh this is cool but until i was in college and actually went to a show
01:27:32.320
not then until that moment did it hit me like this is what i could do that this is even a thing that
01:27:38.500
you could do like just seeing it on a on a screen it just didn't it didn't really but am i right to
01:27:45.660
assume that in school you would probably be like i don't know what i want to do what am i good at i'm
01:27:49.740
not very good at history i'm not very good at english i'm not very good at this and then suddenly
01:27:52.560
you find comedy and you go this is something that i can really excel at and i think unless you give
01:27:57.880
kids that opportunity and and also i feel like you can destroy a kid's confidence at age 12 by just
01:28:05.900
being like yeah you're not very good at that and if you give a kid i was given confidence by
01:28:11.220
my my music teacher by my dad by my friends when i wasn't very good at all i listened back to the
01:28:16.640
music that i was making when i was like 14 my friends were nice yeah i listen back and i go i go
01:28:21.980
fucking hell my dad was not honest at all because he was just like this is great and my confidence
01:28:27.540
was built and it's got to a point where i then was like i'm going to release my first single and i'm
0.98
01:28:32.560
going to make a music video and then that was the song that got successful and had i been like oh i
01:28:37.160
don't know what i'm going to think about that i think that's also like changing the culture of that
01:28:41.420
of like like i went up to uh sheffield um the other day to um do a couple of school and and and music
01:28:48.640
uh course visits and they were amazing like way better than i was at at at 14 and i feel like all
01:28:55.580
it takes is for someone to be like you're really really good at this and then they go oh well then
01:28:59.400
i should carry it on yeah and um well having the equipment like you're saying like putting that
01:29:03.360
equipment in at schools dude that's so cool because um if you have a camera and you have a like a
01:29:08.980
podcast setup or something you can record something you can see how it looks the second you do that
01:29:14.140
one step now you're in a whole new purview or whatever yeah and then like now what's possible
01:29:20.200
it's like but until you do your first stand-up show as well yeah your first show and you go right well
01:29:25.120
i've done one wasn't that good i'll go and do it again i'll make it better and then it just
01:29:28.280
improves yeah you don't know what part of you wants to do until you like it's almost like a metal
01:29:33.980
detector you're like a metal detector and until you kind of go over that little whatever that
01:29:38.880
is in the in something inside you kind of goes off you know well because all you need to do that
01:29:43.640
that's the thing as well that i say to kids i'm like you only need one thing that you're good at
01:29:47.680
you just find the one thing that you enjoy that you're good at and you just work really hard at
01:29:51.700
that and then it will work you go like the music industry is if you want to work in the music industry
01:29:57.940
you can like i was uh the day that i made it in my mind was i was gigging around gigging around not
01:30:05.420
getting paid i got booked for a wedding and i played this wedding for like 200 pounds and i
01:30:09.920
remember getting that 200 pounds cash and being like oh my god this is half my rent for playing
01:30:15.820
a gig looks like we made exactly and in my mind then i was like i could just play weddings for the
01:30:20.800
rest of my life and i'm fine i can do music and it's about finding the you know me getting 200 pounds
01:30:27.260
for playing covers at a wedding isn't me playing wembley stadium and making my albums and stuff like
01:30:31.520
that so it's not necessarily the dream but it is doing music as a career so you can find if you
0.94
01:30:39.100
said tomorrow like right i want to be a chocolate taster and i'm going to be the best fucking chocolate
0.90
01:30:44.200
taster you could potentially make that a career if you just worked harder than other chocolate
0.88
01:30:49.300
tasters or gamer or i don't know especially in the uk yeah willie wonka's from here
01:30:53.460
he is right did you ever meet him willie wonka uh no did i meet did tim i think i might have met
01:31:06.100
timothy chalamet somebody must have i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure someone's met him eventually yeah
0.83
01:31:11.360
fuck lucky that's the kind of people that you just some people you don't get to meet
0.92
01:31:16.360
you know some people the government hides them um what about the queen or anything can you text her
0.99
01:31:23.540
or whatever well she's dead well oh oh the new queen oh is there a new one they get a new one sorry
01:31:30.320
um i didn't know and i'm sorry that she's deceased too i did not she died in 2022 um oh yeah and then
01:31:37.520
king charles is now the king i did like her jubilee i played her gig and there's an amazing picture of
01:31:43.700
her shaking my hand and smiling oh and people are like oh she was pleased to meet you and actually
01:31:49.880
a comedian had just told her a joke so it looks like she's really happy to meet me but she had
01:31:54.300
no idea who i was at all but the picture says a thousand words there you go yeah do the queen do
01:32:00.420
the royal people what are they do what is it really like over there when you go over there
01:32:05.220
i don't think it's i don't envy it at all i don't i wouldn't want to live that lifestyle i i remember
01:32:12.460
being in japan once for the rugby world cup and i met one of them and he was like you know he's
01:32:19.640
six seven years older than me and he was like this is my first time in japan and in my mind i'm like
01:32:24.180
i would have just assumed that you go everywhere all the time but i think it's very much like it's
01:32:29.200
a working job they go and open hospitals open care centers go and do this go and do this and it's
01:32:33.820
it's uh i wouldn't envy the lifestyle at all i think it's it is quite restrictive i don't think
01:32:39.180
you can just be like i'm gonna go do this i think like have you seen the crown the show
01:32:42.980
because like even when they go on holiday they go on holiday and they have to do like a press shoot
01:32:47.720
before the holiday and then people just take photos of them for the whole holiday because it's kind of
01:32:52.220
like you allow because you are funded by the public the public own your life yeah it's got to feel we are
01:32:58.600
didn't yeah so it's not something that i would necessarily envy it's something that it's a big
01:33:03.740
debate in this country whether people agree with it or not i personally like think it gives a certain
01:33:09.360
like grounding for the there's like a historical aspect of it and when things happen it's like
01:33:15.760
americans love seeing the ceremony that's that's there's over here like when the queen passed away
01:33:19.460
the the funeral is like very impressive and it very much uh um i don't know represents england for
01:33:28.400
the world you know england look at it yeah because i think england is something there there are a lot
01:33:32.160
great things it's like very proper and it's like there's a lot of things that i would not agree with
01:33:36.300
as well i think it is very like it's rigid almost it's a very polarizing subject um but yeah but i
01:33:43.980
i definitely wouldn't envy the lifestyle yeah oh yeah it seems like it would be tough like you're such
01:33:49.460
a con and you have to be a concierge to the your own country and you have to be such a representative
01:33:54.080
never talk about anything negatively their thing they say never complain never explain so anything that
01:34:00.900
happens they just right you're just a middleman yeah you can't show any emotion like even at like
01:34:06.220
funerals and stuff like you're not meant to cry and stuff it's like really quite hardcore oh yeah
01:34:12.900
gosh i remember my first funeral dude not fun are they i was not good at funerals no i was the i feel
01:34:21.580
like they're then then needed to mark it though i missed my grandmother's funeral i was doing did you
01:34:27.940
see that court case last year that i was in you know about that i was in a court case last year
01:34:32.060
and we all my friends are criminals to be honest with you she died at the start of the court case
01:34:38.000
and the and the um funeral was like midway through it because she had to be buried um and you couldn't
01:34:44.020
go i couldn't and i i still feel weird about it that there was no marking of the like you know
01:34:50.240
seeing a coffin be put into a grave and covered and i don't know there's something in me that's like
01:34:56.180
even like visiting her grave now there's not it still feels like an open book yeah open door i
01:35:02.620
guess i think funerals are important for the ceremony of like marking it it's kind of like the
01:35:06.840
first day of grief as well because before you go to a funeral there's like a weird month or whatever
01:35:13.660
where everything's like really fucking intense and grief-stricken and then kind of the funeral is
0.69
01:35:18.240
the day that you go now we start processing it yeah yeah yeah it is kind of wild dude does any
01:35:24.420
your music get played at funerals too or not yeah i've got a song that i wrote about my grandmother
01:35:28.260
called supermarket flowers which um is a popular funeral song if if that's like a thing to be proud
01:35:34.980
of like i've got a popular funeral song but yeah it's such an important it's a song that it's a it's
01:35:39.320
a moment that people don't think of that much that needs a song kind of in a way maybe or i don't know
01:35:43.440
maybe as a songwriter maybe people do think about specific moments that need songs but i definitely do
01:35:47.980
like i definitely know what i would have at my funeral same as i would have at my wedding you
01:35:54.060
know you'd know you'd know what what tunes you want there's a uh irish folk song which is like
01:36:00.640
always the final song that is sung on a folk night which is called the parting glass where it's like
01:36:05.720
um the pogues or no no it's like traditional it's like uh it's uh of all the money that i had
01:36:14.780
i spent it in good company and all the harm that i had done alas it was to none but me and it's
01:36:24.500
basically like all of the things i did um and all i've done for want of wit to memory now i can't
01:36:32.620
recall so fill to me the parting glass good night and joy be with you all it's basically the last drink
01:36:41.400
of the night this is uh i sort of weird that i just sung on but no but there's a farewell but yeah
01:36:48.740
it's a um the last drink of the night and it's basically everything that's happened it's happened
01:36:53.720
and let's have this final drink and then get on with our lives and i think that's quite a nice way
01:36:57.960
to like go out of this world basically being like of all the of all the comrades that ever i've had
01:37:03.840
i uh i'm i'm sorry that i'm going away you know like it's like a it's just a message to people i
01:37:09.200
like it no man i appreciate you sharing that too yeah it's nice it's nice man that you from
01:37:14.680
everyone that's ever spoken about you i've heard you always seem like a person that just shares the
01:37:18.260
gift of who you are with the world as clearly as you know how to and navigate that the best you can
01:37:23.800
man so i appreciate you singing that's nice dude and yeah and i appreciate you spending time with me
01:37:27.620
man thank you yeah thanks for coming as well man i really really have enjoyed i feel bad that i call
01:37:32.380
that i referenced the term ginger and i feel bad that i mispronounced the name of this place man
01:37:37.440
oh that's all i i thought you were doing it on uh purpose okay i was all good no no the ginger
01:37:42.220
and i wasn't the ginger thing i'm actually like i'm i have a good sense of humor so i'm fun with
01:37:47.340
being uh yeah i just shouldn't have said it though no but i'm like my my my point is if if it's if
01:37:53.360
this is on limits then you know other things should be too yeah you know it shouldn't be the only
01:37:58.800
thing that's on limits oh i agree brother and let me tell you this we're turning on all the limits
01:38:05.300
one time we'll get you out to a live show and turn on all the limits um i hope you make a million
01:38:12.320
more wonderful songs and um and just uh keep blessing us with your gifts uh thank you so much
01:38:17.400
ed sheeran nice one thank you cheers man now i'm just falling on the breeze and i feel i'm falling
01:38:28.240
oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found i can feel it in my bones