E512 Ed Sheeran
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1 hour and 38 minutes
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203.06035
Summary
Ed Sheeran is one of the biggest musicians in the world. He s celebrating the 10th anniversary of his album, Multiply. We get to catch up right here in London in his bar, Birdie Blossoms, and I m grateful for his time.
Transcript
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We hope you're enjoying your Air Canada flight.
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I will be in Long Beach, California, July 10th.
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As well, we have shows in Salt Lake City, June 30th, Las Vegas, July 5th and 6th, and Bangor, Maine, August 9th.
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As well as every other city that's on the tour as well as every other city that's on the tour is everything is still all good to go.
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You can get tickets at TheoVaughn.com slash T-O-U-R.
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Today's guest is one of the biggest musicians in the world.
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He's celebrating the 10th anniversary of his album Multiply.
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We get to catch up right here in London in his bar, Birdie Blossoms.
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I just didn't like his inner, like, I don't know.
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I guess he's kind of like Jesse James, maybe, in a way.
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So what are you doing in London other than shows?
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Just came over to you guys' country to do shows, man.
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Because there's a train from central Manchester into central London.
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So you would have driven out of central Manchester,
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flown to out of central London, and then got it.
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Could have just taken an hour and a half train.
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I mean, yeah, I'm actually genuinely feeling bad about that right now.
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And how do you know if the bottoms are Bertie or not?
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And me and my manager set this bar up and Blossom for Cherry, Bertie for Liberty, Bertie
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So is this a place where people can meet their wife at?
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But do you have like a wife-husband meeting night?
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Like a night where it's like, hey, this is the...
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Yeah, they come in and they chuck the keys in and then it's just a massive orgy.
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But yeah, I was just thinking like, yeah, do they at least just get to meet somebody?
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This is where like, if I'm having like a dinner or a meeting with someone, it will usually
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You can sort of like drink what you want, smoke, stay as long as you want.
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Some of the exchange rate on the language has been tough.
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I liked that when I arrived, you kept calling me like, cheers, mate.
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I lived in Nashville for a couple of years and I got the, I got the, the, the drool, I think.
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So, yeah, you really, did you guys hunt anything?
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Do you know, I, so I lived on a lake for the first year and I bought a fishing rod from
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Walmart because I was like, I'm going to go fishing.
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And then after about an hour, my mate came up and was like, have you put bait on it?
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And I was like, I didn't know you were going to do that.
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I just assumed a fish would like swim past and catch the hook.
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You know, it wasn't, it wasn't something that I'd grown up doing.
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Well, I feel like in some ways I am quite, I feel like you, your age freezes the age
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I think it's like, and I think some creative people just grow, they kind of grow up slow.
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Well, you sort of don't have the same, I don't know, brutal life lessons, I guess.
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When I was like, I moved to London when I was like 17 and you, I was having regular brutal
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life lessons of just like, no, this is what the real world is.
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And then I think when you, you know, started doing well about 20, about 1920.
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And then, uh, you, you sort of like, if you make a mistake, it's, it's kind of all right.
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You know, you're not, you don't have like the brutal real life lesson, I guess.
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What do you mean like when you're doing, when life is, when you have like a success and stuff
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Well, yeah, I, I mean, you will know this with, with, uh, comedy, like a brutal life
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lesson of like, it's not going to be easy as bombing or playing to an empty room or blah,
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That kind of stops happening when you have success.
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There's definitely, you have peaks and troughs in your career where people are more interested
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or less interested, but you don't have the, like, I don't know.
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I don't think you have as many, um, normal life lessons.
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You still get quite abnormal life lessons, I think, because in the sort of celebrity sphere,
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it can be quite abnormal, but you don't have the, like, I don't know, regular stuff.
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I don't, I am the worst person to ask if something makes sense or not, to be honest.
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My mates are so excited that I'm doing this today, by the way.
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The guy that, um, there's a guy living at our, at our house at the moment.
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And, uh, he was like trying to get off work to just come down and just say hi.
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I think you guys, loitering must be a British thing, huh?
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Well, stalking is more like once you've loitered and you see something in the window, you know?
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You see something, you see a bit of tits in the distance or something.
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I guess you have to loiter more for that to happen.
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Yeah, I need to bring the binoculars, you know?
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That's the loitering you got to really be aware of.
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Yeah, there was a time when I was doing, like, loads and loads of, like, breakfast TVs and radios and stuff like that.
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When you were touring, like, to get your singles out there and stuff like that?
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You used to kind of, like, have to turn up at, like, 3.30 a.m. to a German weather program to play 30 seconds of your new singles.
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Chance of rain, but chance of Ed Sheeran first.
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I got up at, like, they were doing it in some, like, theme park in the middle of Germany.
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And it was just obviously empty because it was, like, 4 a.m.
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And I start playing on this thing, on this weather program.
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And then I can see the credits rolling underneath me, like, 10 seconds in.
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So, I played 10 seconds of my new single, basically.
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You'd think they'd take a look at you and be like, oh, he could be one of us, you know?
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No, I think, well, the red hair is more Celtic.
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Or, like, the Norwegians, I think, would look at me and be like, you're one of us.
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Like, you'll see me in, like, the frozen food area, kind of, like, in the store, you know?
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His parents met down there, and he was born there.
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And then my mother, I don't know, dude, but wherever she's from, they have some real one-of-a-kind type ladies.
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I, like, have kind of trouble processing my feelings, so I'm like that.
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I'm always, like, the start and stop with, you know, I'm like the guy who, like, can't get, like,
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Because, like, as I said with the train thing, public transport here is actually really, really good.
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And then, mate, on my first driving test, so I'd learned, I learned to drive for, like, eight months.
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And on the first test, I failed because I was going around a roundabout.
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And my mom called me to see if I passed the test.
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And I just quickly took it and, like, canceled the call.
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And then the driving instructor was just like, you've just failed the test for that.
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God, dude, that's when you got to just, yeah, that's kind of the time I'm glad my mom didn't care that much.
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But you probably, but Americans can drive from, like, 16, right?
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I do think American drivers, man, like, when I'm over there, I'm like, this is fucking sketchy.
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I sort of feel like here we have to learn how to, like, parallel park and do all these other things.
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Well, it's, I think people are, America, just anything can be a weapon there.
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So they're not, like, reaching under the bed and finding a huge.
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I think I'd be more terrified of you with a kitchen blade than.
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You know, I'm more like a, I'll Julianne a burglar.
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But have you got a meat cleaver in the bedroom?
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Seeing you running down a corridor fully naked with a meat cleaver.
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Especially, yeah, if somebody thinks they want.
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Because I'll freaking cut one up right there, dude.
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If you had a home invasion and you had a meat cleaver in there,
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Dude, what was something I was going to tell you?
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And if you make that mistake in Ireland, they will boo you.
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If you say it's good to be back in the UK, you will get booed there.
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Actually, if you say that in Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
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Especially now, like Scotland now in the Euros.
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So I played the Euros launch, whatever, on Wednesday.
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And I made the decision to wear an England shirt on stage in Germany.
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And it was mostly German and Scottish fans because that's the first game.
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But then I was like, I'm not going to wear a German shirt.
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I got given like five German shirts before the show as well to like take pictures with
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And I was like, I'm just not going to wear these.
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People get so competitive about that kind of stuff, man.
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Like who's, who are you supporting in the Euros?
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If they, if they beat Germany, that's a big, big party in Scotland.
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I find like American sport, I find really, I love watching American sport, but there's
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And then if someone's bad, they go to the bottom, they get first draft, they can get
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And you go into a league that's not on television and you have to like fight to get back up into
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And if you're bad in that league, you go to a lower league.
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My football team, like for the past six years have not been on television at all.
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And we've just finally got back up to the premier league, but it's more exciting.
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Whereas like, I'm a big Tennessee Titans fan and they're kind of always here.
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But you know what, even in the game itself, I didn't realize that till you just said that
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It's like with soccer, like you can get the ball back in a moment.
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So you could suddenly be an offense, but on, in the NFL, it's like, it's very tactical.
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You know, it's going to be a little while before you get the ball back, you know, and
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And if you drop your guard in soccer for five minutes, your team can be like, there was
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one, uh, one world cup that was in Brazil and Brazil were arguably the best team at that
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Um, and Germany ended up beating them seven, one just because there was like 20 minutes
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But I remember that I was in Vegas actually when I, um, when I was watching it.
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Cause like the chains hookers were just supposed to be performing, right?
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So we basically were meant to play, play the Allegiant stadium in August and we'd set up
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I have an in the round stage and we have these massive pylons that basically hang up all the
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So everything has to be exactly the same weight.
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Um, and in a regular stadium, it's a concrete floor.
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We didn't realize that Allegiant stadium didn't have a concrete floor.
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I don't know where that, uh, misalignment happened.
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But anyways, we put it in, it has a rubber floor and the stage was slowly slipping.
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And these are like, you know, tons and tons and tons and tons of steel would have fallen
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So we had to cancel the gig 20 minutes before it started.
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And Vegas isn't a place where like people like 80,000 people that live in Vegas are going
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People had flown in, they got hotels and so hot.
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It was like one of the worst days on tour, but it was just, it was grim.
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So we rescheduled the Allegiant stadium gig for then.
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Um, and yeah, we, we got pretty fucking lit up afterwards and, uh, that's where I saw
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I'd kind of, I know the chain smokers, so I'd sort of turned up and then, uh, yeah, they're
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Cause I was sort of thinking if you'd spent money on like a VIP table that night, see the
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chain smokers and then suddenly just drunk me on stage in a Avengers mask.
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I think at first people like, I was very aware, but like I was just wearing the mask
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I just know them from like seeing them at different shows and being around them and stuff like
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that, but their energy is always fun and good, you know?
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And like, um, I just love getting to spend time with them.
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Sometimes I'll go to Diplo, but I go to Fred again recently.
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I like going to see what some of the DJs are like, you know?
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Um, but then you got up and it seemed like you were going to maybe do one song.
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And I was like, well, how are they going to get, are they going to go like a little
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And then by the, by like four songs later, it's just, uh, it's a, uh, it's your show,
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And it's just a, it's an edge here and people are just kissing and there's doves and stuff.
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You know, there's like, it was a very, very interesting.
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I felt like people were making wishes and stuff and hugging their grandmothers.
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Are you going to go to any of the, uh, world cup games in 26 in America?
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Like, I feel like, I feel like English people and Americans, they always, they're like, oh,
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And then you go to the other place and you're like, oh, it's kind of, I feel like the world
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Like we, we travel a lot and it's like election time all around the world.
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And everywhere I go, I'm like, oh, it's kind of the same here as well.
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I feel like everyone is going through a shift of some sort.
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You guys' elections are happening right now, huh?
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Like, it's like, you're sort of watching these interviews being like, does your like brain connect
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It's like, I sometimes feel like people don't want to get elected, but they're saying stuff
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Well, I'm sure you probably, there's probably times you get halfway into something.
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Like people get stage fright at the altar all the time sometimes, or sometimes you'll buy
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something at the market and you'll put it back on the, like, and with the gums or the
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candies or something, you'll put like just a pack of like sausages back there or something.
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So I think that there's, if there's knocking, there's someone doing work next door, by the way.
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As long as it's not an indentured servant, I think we're good.
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But, and I'm not saying America didn't polish it up a little, but we've all, you know, we've
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all sinned a little, or we didn't, but forefathers definitely, you know, had some crazy plans.
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I like his music a lot, you know, so I'll listen to some James Blake and, yeah, I'll
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What other kind of, I'm trying to think of British music do I listen to?
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Well, I lived in LA for a while and then Nashville was open during the pandemic.
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You could like, you know, spit, you could spit on people and they were still okay with
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Or, you know, you could, you know, you could just, you know, I mean, you couldn't even,
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yeah, it just, that mask, when you think about what the mask, it just like, you could,
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I will say this though, you could look at somebody and kind of lick your lips in a
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And that's something I miss, you know, just being point blank.
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I like the fact, I can move, I really love public transport and I can move around easier
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now since COVID because wearing a ski mask is not seen as creepy.
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People just, you're just sort of in a ski mask.
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If I go in the airport now and I'll just wear like one of those long neck ones, you know?
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And I definitely feel like, oh, people are like, who's the weirdo still with the neck
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And I'll even put a wig on sometimes and like, who the hell is this lady?
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I sometimes considered dressing up as Santa Claus when I went to the supermarket at Christmas
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because I was like, I was like, I really need to go and get Christmas supplies.
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But the supermarket's obviously really busy at Christmas and I'm not like, I don't, I don't blend
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And I was like, if I dressed up as Santa Claus, maybe that'd be fine.
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There's no way I saw you cheering as Santa Claus buying bagels.
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Did you see that fighter that looked like you the other day?
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Did you not see the thing where there was the Floyd Mayweather, no, the KSI Logan Paul
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And I was like, I was ringside, but it was this, this lookalike.
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And some YouTubers had done a thing where they were like, let's try and fool them.
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And Eddie Hearn essentially just gave my lookalike ringside tickets.
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And he was only, the only way that he was found out was Justin Bieber turned up and
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Because look, I just, the other night I was going through, it was on TikTok or something.
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So that was the same night, I think, that my lookalike was doing the fight.
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People are going to, you're going to have like, you know, freckled stepmother versus like,
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you know, gambling addict Vietnamese or something.
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You know, it's going to, it's getting, that's where all going to be bet.
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I think you can feel it coming up in the world.
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Oh, man, you and him both have the mischievous look in your eyes all the same time.
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Caleb came to a show in Dublin and then we went over there.
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I got beaten a decent amount as a lad, I remember.
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I remember at our school, if you got in a fight during school,
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You had to stand in the hall, whoever you fought,
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and you had to put your hands on each other's shoulders
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you were friends with whoever you fought, you know?
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And all the kids would come down the hall between class
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That sounds actually quite a good way to solve problems.
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you had to make each other laugh or figure out what went on.
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I thought it was just kind of an interesting program, man.
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but I'm probably going to get one one of these days.
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like a lot of your songs have like a lot of love in them,
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you write all the good songs for the whole world?
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there's not really any self-consciousness that comes through it,
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I'm going to see her after this to have a little,
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if anything ever comes up and we'll just sort of nip it in the bud there,
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Sometimes I can feel like right now you should probably say this,
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try to be like as honest as possible at all points.
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And then suddenly they're running at you with a meat cleaver.
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And just serving the last sausage brother in the dark hallway.
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Like a good man over there in Leeds or wherever.
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What's the most dangerous place to be around here?
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like a Louis Vuitton duffel bag and a 200 grand watch.
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and y'all's robberies all have clues and stuff.
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I love that everything that you think about England is based on movies and like,
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cause it's the way that I used to view America as well.
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But I remember we were in town for something and we were driving past the fractures.
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Should we just knock on the door of one of them?
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And they'll be having a frat party like the movies.
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And then we went in and it was just like three dudes and one guy who had his face super glued
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he was just literally like this face super glued down.
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there was this in their manufacturing rehyponols or something like that,
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Like even today we pulled up in a Notting Hill and I was like,
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Paddington bear is having a coffee with a woman or something over there,
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he's actually from where's Paddington bear from Peru.
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is it jam sandwiches or peanut butter sandwich jam?
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And was he allowed to stay after Brexit or was he?
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so I have an Irish passport and you can only spend 90 days in Europe if you're English.
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but like none of my crew can spend more than 90 days there.
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I think everyone has agreed that Brexit didn't work.
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I think there will be a time where we will try and backtrack it a little bit and get back
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It was like 50% of the country thought we should leave.
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And I feel like the people that voted leave now are like,
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I think a lot of people are going to be coming back.
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I just don't think it's panned out as well as we expected over there.
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It just gotten kind of like a lot of the tradition I think is,
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I think that's the scary thing about when tradition goes away.
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because I see America is like lots and lots and lots of traditions and cultures.
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What is the one central tradition that Americans can agree on?
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or maybe we're just in a phase where there isn't really that.
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You'll still celebrate July 4th and stuff like that.
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Some people now are seeing it as it's like a bad thing,
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I turned up to my first July 4th in a red coat.
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Cause I don't think you can fly flags unless the football's on.
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Did you get to go to like the Highlands or anything or try,
00:38:12.700
I guess I'm probably more of pretty much a straight cocaine guy.
00:38:27.520
if my buddy of mine was doing a line of cocaine,
00:38:34.560
but I would hold the back of his neck while he did it.
00:38:37.360
Like that's how close I still wanted to be to the action.
00:39:07.220
it's like riding shotgun on a line of cocaine really in a way.
00:39:57.040
you've been obviously very gifted and had a lot of success and worked very hard,
00:40:01.840
What are some stuff as that you kind of wanted to do and you didn't?
00:40:05.320
Cause touring and stuff takes a lot of time and touring and working.
00:40:18.080
And is it because like a sunshine thing is like a,
00:40:33.300
And in that time I was working just flat out to become a singer.
00:40:49.540
there were TV shows that were like massive cultural phenomenons at the time in my age group.
00:40:54.280
I only discovered like five years ago or like I didn't watch any football.
00:41:03.220
there were some things that I missed out on in that time.
00:41:17.320
I don't want to say ginger men or whatever and take them to a water park.
00:41:40.360
they put a picture of a ginger cat on and they were like,
00:41:44.620
if there was someone fat on this couch and you got up a picture of a fat cat,
00:41:57.740
The only people you can still make fun of are like redneck white people.
00:42:07.000
I've always supported people that are really pale with red hair.
00:42:19.240
sort of fun that's made out of you as a kid makes for a good personality.
00:42:24.440
I feel like I have more fun than the pretty kids that I grew up with.
00:42:36.340
He also looks like a really hot woman in some countries.
00:44:26.420
I just go into a studio with canvases on the floor and just splash loads of color.
00:44:42.140
but also I want to carry on being creative and do stuff.
00:44:45.000
So I started painting then I learned Italian as well.
00:44:47.860
And that was like a thing I bought a place in Italy and no one,
00:44:55.540
but those are like the two things that if I wasn't doing music,
00:45:10.640
Will you listen to something or watch something to sometimes put you in like a mood to like create your own music even or to write songs?
00:45:18.420
My creative process is just basically like do it,
00:45:30.020
write a song every single day or two songs every single day and not worry about whether it's good or not.
00:45:36.900
I feel like some people think that like writing,
00:45:48.900
So shape of you was written on a day and we wrote four other songs that day that no one's really heard.
00:46:03.040
The only movie that I've watched to create something was I did a song for the Hobbit and they,
00:46:12.120
this is the point where the song comes in and your song has to convey this and bring the audience out of the movie.
00:46:17.800
And it was a point where Smaug's going to the big town at the end and he's going to destroy it and cover it in fire and flames and blah,
00:46:26.380
we need you this chaotic bit and then a calm bit and you basically taking the audience out of the cinema.
00:46:31.580
So that was the first time I've been like inspired by a movie,
00:46:39.220
you're essentially working in a creative medium that you don't really know anything about.
00:46:47.680
Like I was so geeked out to be working with like Peter and Fran and then getting to do the press tour with all of the actors and stuff.
00:46:53.700
And you're suddenly there in a world that you don't really belong in.
00:46:58.420
it's like what the reason musicians are obsessed with sports players and the sports players are obsessed with musicians.
00:47:02.780
And it's because each can do something that the other can't do,
00:47:05.960
but there's still like a level of dedication you have to do to get to that point.
00:47:09.300
And I love being on the other side of the coin.
00:47:12.540
like went to one of the Celtics games the other day and being like.
00:47:30.160
If I show up like at a remedial reading center,
00:47:38.860
but my point is being on the watching it and I've never really had an appreciation for basketball before.
00:47:47.900
but like something clicked on that game and I was like,
00:47:57.680
if you're losing five nil with 10 minutes to go,
00:48:02.640
you could be losing like by 20 or 30 points with the last two minutes to go.
00:48:25.480
me and Caleb went to a Iowa Hawkeyes game where she broke the record.
00:48:45.080
you bring the union Jack to that and people will get a little T out.
00:48:51.760
someone grabbed my arm and looked at me dead in the eyes.
00:49:00.500
That sounds like the ghost of high cholesterol found you,
00:49:11.300
Have you ever gotten asked to go play for like a chic or anything over there?
00:49:42.080
it's usually for like a company's end of year party or something.
00:49:51.400
you come and you sing this song at the time that we tell you to sing it.
00:50:04.580
but in a smaller place is what I would prefer to do.
00:50:15.320
Isn't even your song to my daughter while she eats breakfast.
00:50:27.420
but one time I got offered to go to this place in the middle East somewhere.
00:50:32.960
like Luda La Harta or somewhere place you hadn't even heard of.
00:50:38.620
So it could have just been in New Jersey or whatever,
00:50:43.360
there was like a chic and you had to be behind a big plexiglass area.
00:50:50.380
He would be eating there with like 90 of his girlfriends or whatever you would
00:50:56.340
and then you lie down and he shits on your chest.
00:51:07.660
I do know that they were allowed to ask a few questions at the end and then you
00:51:12.520
but you had to stay in this area by yourself through the plexiglass while they
00:51:35.560
Are you going to be missing something that's important?
00:51:37.320
Cause now I have to set up time where I'm relaxing.
00:52:04.160
Apparently she's like a hair side of the story.
00:52:17.680
You almost start to fall in love with the lady.
00:52:35.520
it's hard for me to know what British people are up to,
00:52:38.760
like some cultures you can kind of get a read on them and you're like,
00:52:44.180
I think he'd ask you a lot of very direct questions and you wouldn't,
00:52:47.200
but you don't strike me as the sort of person that like needs to navigate direct questions.
00:52:54.320
I did his show like 2013 when he was on CNN and I found it a great interview.
00:53:06.200
he just asks you the questions that I feel like people would want to hear.
00:53:13.040
Do you feel like you'll make different music since you have like a family and stuff now?
00:53:20.880
I made an album that my fans weren't like over the moon about because I feel like I was in quite a happy point of my life.
00:53:36.660
just because I'm married with kids doesn't mean that like you don't have tension in your life.
00:53:40.360
I feel like even more so there's been things in my life that have happened over the past two years.
00:53:44.420
So I think the music that I'm making at the moment is more like the music I was making in my early twenties when there was a lot of tension going on in my life.
00:53:54.640
I'm sure you go through periods of time where you're like,
00:53:58.980
And then suddenly a bombshell happens and then you have to.
00:54:05.900
I can see like back on my albums as like a lineage of like,
00:54:11.200
And I feel like if all of the albums sounded the same,
00:54:26.280
there's no like heartbreak songs on it or sad songs or blah.
00:54:31.640
Cause a lot of times it's like rip my fucking heart out,
00:54:40.900
but this is what you're saying about taking time off.
00:54:42.960
You have to take time off to actually live life.
00:54:44.780
Like if I'm on the road that I think this is another thing why people who get successful
00:54:52.580
life does just pause because you like today you wake up on a plane,
00:55:00.240
real life interaction in your actual personal life being lived because you're constantly
00:55:08.500
but you'll go back home and you'll press play on your life again.
00:55:15.260
You've your friend who was dating this person is now not dating this person.
00:55:25.760
you just put it on pause and you go and do your thing and you come back and you,
00:55:29.100
but it's like the whole world has been pressing play.
00:55:35.940
going and touring and that kind of thing is a little separate different because
00:55:39.200
you kind of get taken out of your life almost and then go and then you just
00:55:49.620
My sister invited me to this and that thing's over now.
00:55:54.460
and then you look at old emails or sometimes like your thoughts processes will
00:55:58.060
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00:56:04.160
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because I feel like I'm not going to be able to
00:59:23.420
Or is it like really egotistical thing to think?
00:59:26.140
I think especially like the position that you're in
00:59:28.760
and the kind of like cultural significance of who you are
00:59:50.420
always be completely honest of what it is at that point.
01:00:57.720
that should be something that in your spare time,
01:01:09.380
And they're always stuck in the smallest apartment.
01:01:42.960
And mimes were some of the first mixed people as well.
01:02:22.600
And that's been since like the beginning of time,
01:02:39.200
you'll actually learn a bit of appreciation for it.
01:03:00.940
I'm sure they put a flag on his back at some point and said he was British.
01:03:15.760
Can you zoom in on that so I can read that there,
01:03:51.940
it got them to agree to never show it in Italy because he liked holidaying in,
01:03:56.560
So that's the one place that I think they had the movie,
01:04:09.460
So we were actually in touch on email and it was,
01:04:43.720
he wrote Notting Hill and Love Actually and Four Weddings and the Funeral.
01:05:33.400
they do a Christmas Carol and that's my like Christmas routine as I always watch Blackadder Christmas Carol.
01:05:45.800
I've got a massive cardboard cast out of Nicolas Cage in my house.
01:06:09.260
I wonder if his children are loud and he's like,
01:06:14.280
I wonder if his children are loud and he's like,
01:06:17.780
wow it's a great movie yeah god that alone that even just that much of a moment of
01:06:45.220
something that feels so real that is our political system right now in america
01:06:50.400
somebody said that you used to do like open go to comedy mics did you ever uh not for me to do
01:06:58.100
comedy but i used to do it to actually no i did actually i did i um i used to uh play with this
01:07:04.120
um they're an improvisational rap group called abandaman and he was a comedian who rapped and
01:07:10.100
made uh he basically would be like they had a song called what's in your pocket and he would
01:07:14.400
rap about what was in everyone's pockets and make it funny so i played with them for a bit but
01:07:18.820
no for me it was more um the scene that i was a part of was very cliquey and very like the cool
01:07:25.960
kids over here and i was always part of the misfits and uh you would go and play these gigs where
01:07:31.360
everyone on the lineup would have an acoustic guitar and they'd all be singing love songs
01:07:34.940
and i'd just be another one of them just not as good i wasn't i was 17 not 25 i had my songs were
01:07:41.780
very like rudimentary and like not great and i saw uh i found like this guy actually my my best
01:07:47.760
mate jamal ran a uh a youtube channel that was primarily rap and he put me on that channel and
01:07:54.040
then suddenly there was a whole uh a group of people that were like oh we actually quite like
01:07:59.480
this acoustic music so i would turn up at uh hip-hop nights first and grime nights and soul nights and
01:08:04.760
and i would play and i would get a better reaction because it was just different it was something that
01:08:11.100
would stand out whereas i did not stand out in the acoustic scene because it was just the same as
01:08:15.320
everyone oh that's interesting and so and then i started playing comedy night comedy nights poetry
01:08:20.460
nights i would turn up at different things i used to get roasted whilst the toughest gig i ever ever
01:08:26.560
played it was an all black comedy night in um central london called the the sunday show and i was
01:08:32.960
booked for this show and as i was setting up my guitar the guy on stage was roasting me being like
01:08:37.260
what the fuck is this white kid doing with this tiny guitar and blah blah blah and it was probably
01:08:42.640
one of the best gigs of my life i got on stage i instantly i instantly went into a rap tune i
01:08:48.980
dropped this song and this song and this song and the reaction was better than anywhere because i think
01:08:54.640
people were expecting me to fail and because i didn't it was even better and uh yeah and those i think
01:09:01.840
that is what gave me my first bit of success my first buzz the buzz within uh the kind of grime and
01:09:10.560
rap community in in the the uk i think that was the first place i felt welcomed and accepted and
01:09:17.220
celebrated and still and still is like i still feel more love and appreciation from the misfits no from
01:09:26.300
the from the grime and rap community i yeah in in the uk interesting yeah you know that's such a good
01:09:32.440
idea dude like to take whatever your thing is and put it into go to the space that's different because
01:09:38.980
then you're the different it wasn't to be honest it wasn't like an idea it wasn't like a light bulb
01:09:43.320
moment where i was like but even when you say it though it makes me think like that's it really it's
01:09:47.320
like there's no way you can't help but stand out right so like i think it has to happen organically
01:09:52.060
because i feel like if jamal hadn't put me on his channel and he put me on his channel the sunday
01:09:56.340
show booked me for their comedy night i did that and then whilst at the comedy night it's a very
01:10:00.080
organic thing i think had i just turned up at the sunday show they'd be like yeah and maybe it
01:10:05.980
wouldn't have gone the same way right oh that's a good point that's a good point but you have to
01:10:10.500
change up the environment that you're in and really challenge yourself that's pretty brave yeah i used
01:10:14.600
to do some black shows like predominantly black shows in the states dude it was hard sometimes but when
01:10:19.380
you killed it you killed it oh you killed it dude yeah and people would stop basically very but i bet
01:10:26.400
it's either like you kill it or you bomb there's no in between there's no like all right shows and
01:10:31.340
when you don't do good in front of a black audience as a white guy you feel the pain of hundreds of years
01:10:37.400
you feel i mean my pain traveled all the way back to england in a boat and and then got off
01:10:48.460
and experienced more pain i was like how much pain is inside of me dude i remember tears coming out of
01:10:56.200
like the inside of my throat and i was like i didn't know i had tear ducts in my is that the worst that
01:11:02.400
you bumped um no i fucking bombed pretty good over the years eddie i um yeah i've had some bad ones
01:11:10.680
i've had one where you came out it was like a battle of the bands at a school you had to come
01:11:16.240
out between all the bands they didn't know they just thought you to come out in the beginning
01:11:18.700
they boo me off stage they don't have to go out six more times dude wow and every time it just i feel
01:11:25.980
like the boot my eyebrows sorry to interrupt you but one time the shit the i was so shocked one of
01:11:33.680
my fucking eyebrows fell out of my head from um like it's called so it makes you appreciate it
01:11:40.780
though i feel like anyone that has had success on stage has had to have been booed have things
01:11:46.900
chucked at them have have moments where the shock the trauma some girls like something on your shirt
01:11:51.380
and it was my fucking eyebrow dude like i was like oh shit that's fast yeah so that kind of stuff to
01:12:01.900
not be able to protect your tear ducts from the wind just because you had a bad set dude that's the
01:12:06.720
kind of shit that people do that we do not need to be going through um yeah i think sometimes the
01:12:13.380
tough parts are like sometimes i'll drift out of what i'm actually doing when i'm on stage i don't
01:12:19.800
even know what it is it's not like i'm daydreaming but sometimes you'll just i don't know i'll kind
01:12:24.220
of go on autopilot not because i want to it just sort of happens and you have to drop back in you
01:12:28.640
know i do that sometimes i did that i do it quite regularly on perfect because it's just because i'm
01:12:33.440
not having to think about what i'm doing with with with my feet and occasionally i just drop the second
01:12:37.480
verse by accident and i just kind of come to and i'm like oh i've just just not sung the second
01:12:41.880
verse and the song's now like minute and a half long but you do you get in a there's certain things i'm
01:12:47.520
sure there's certain routines that you just know so well that your mind just sort of wanders yeah
01:12:52.340
and then how do you make them feel new and to surprise yourself too you know and i think it's
01:12:57.020
good every now and then to completely rip up the rule book of what your performance is and just
01:13:01.080
as well yeah that's a good point um do you uh does was being a father something that really kind of
01:13:09.180
like people talk about it all the time that it does so much for him was it as much of a surprise
01:13:13.300
for you it seemed like you had a lot of love in your life with your spouse so it wasn't like a
01:13:17.380
yeah i think it's you just you selfishness ceases to exist i think because suddenly all your decisions
01:13:24.300
are made based on i've got two daughters now and it's made based on what's best for them you know
01:13:29.700
rather than what's best for me or what that's for my wife and that sort of simplifies life in a way
01:13:34.340
because you you there's not as many questions it's just like well what's what's right for these guys
01:13:38.380
and then cool done um but yeah i think you know i was a i was a real party boy like real like i loved
01:13:45.860
getting on it oh yeah in all aspects i got the gear i think i think probably like five years ago me and
01:13:53.020
you would have had a lot of fun together yeah um but i think having kids really really dialed that
01:13:59.100
down i stopped i stopped drinking spirits i stopped like smoking and doing all these you know having
01:14:05.760
wild nights like i i don't think i've seen the sunrise since having kids but obviously you're
01:14:11.660
sober when you see the sunrise with with kids but i don't you know i go to bed at like midnight now
01:14:16.020
even if i'm having i drink wine and i drink like one or two beers um and that's my vice i guess
01:14:23.400
we have to be a proper parent you have you have to be a parent you have to be a leader
01:14:27.240
or whatever you have to or you have to feed this when it wakes up yeah you know totally yeah i think
01:14:33.560
um it's like being in college a bit with like a roommate that can't cook or whatever and you're
01:14:37.880
like do you know do you know what i see it as it's your drunk mate at college that you need to get
01:14:44.160
home from the bar and you're feeding them bread constantly and water it's kind of that and they
01:14:49.100
sort of fall asleep it's kind of like that you're sort of waking them up like feeding bread and stuff
01:14:54.800
like that and then they sort of falling asleep in their chair it's kind of like that dude one time
01:14:58.260
i got in a taxi to leave a bar when i was in charleston i used to live in charleston and i forgot
01:15:03.780
to i guess i was drunk i just passed out the guy drove around dude he drove like 190 dollars worth
01:15:09.340
i finally fucking wake up dude he's just driving bro and we're like still like about 12 minutes from
01:15:16.200
my house so i get home i owed him like 220 dude it took me like two weeks to pay that guy jesus
01:15:21.720
god man just things like that that i just don't miss about sometimes just being wasted dude or
01:15:29.260
hiding out in somebody's yard conversations now like if you're having a conversation with your mate
01:15:35.720
and you're sober it's more like yeah i find i don't waste time in bullshit like i'm not out at
01:15:42.260
want you know like in the we out but shit doesn't get as weird either you're not you know i feel like
01:15:47.180
i i say it in one of my songs but i feel like past 2 a.m it's like nothing's happening you're like
01:15:53.960
all sitting around a screen watching youtube videos and like chatting about the youtube videos
01:15:59.000
whereas i think like i feel like my my friends call me the sparkler because i shine bright for a
01:16:05.060
very short period of time so i'll go out at eight and i'll be home at 11 but in those three hours like
01:16:09.600
i'll have fun yeah oh that's a good guy to be yeah i'm gonna start working on that i'm gonna save up
01:16:16.940
all my good stuff for eight to eleven eight till eleven is a great time as well and then you're
01:16:22.580
in bed by midnight i usually get up at like 5 a.m and anyway so you're like in bed by midnight and
01:16:27.560
then you're fresh ish in the morning your workout guy yeah i like to work out man yeah it's fun
01:16:32.920
nothing too crazy but i do like it but like every morning you'll do a bit of exercise yeah four days
01:16:37.300
a week i'll work out cool pretty swell i like doing the sauna yeah yeah ice bath and i like doing the
01:16:42.580
ice bath man i don't know if they work or not but they tricked me into believing they do for me it's
01:16:47.760
less i like i don't mind if they work or not but it gets my cool body temperature down i'm a big
01:16:53.260
sweater are you really yeah yeah i sweat like if i'm on stage i just drip drip you're just leaking
01:17:00.040
huh yeah i well i think it's i think there's something in the the irish blood where i heat just
01:17:05.680
does not agree with me you know and uh because you brought your own heat
01:17:09.440
of course the sun would be like who the fuck is this
01:17:14.560
you know what i'm saying stepping on my turf right here but if i go in a sauna i'll usually be sweating
01:17:23.640
for like three four hours off so getting in an ice bath almost it's kind of like uh quarter
01:17:28.720
cauterizing a wound you just yeah it's done yeah i like dude ireland was so i never had seen i did i
01:17:35.440
grew up in new orleans right in that area in louisiana like marty grub people being drunk right
01:17:40.820
i never said it's a different thing of drunkenness it's just in the it's like people we went into a
01:17:48.520
bar it's people in there there's no furniture right just people holding each other up i think drinking
01:17:54.440
it's like you can't even let the guy stop they won't fucking let dude i remember we're in the bar
01:18:00.560
outside of the bar they built another bar around the exit door you open the exit to the bar
01:18:05.280
you're in another fucking bar dude but drinking culture here is different than um uh america like
01:18:10.680
we would like i found when i lived in nashville it was like sports bars you go to a sports bar
01:18:17.460
uh to watch a game to drink yeah and you would see people there on their own drinking a huge vodka
01:18:23.820
tonic just like i'm here to get fucking drunk there's irish bars on the motorway in america i'm like
01:18:29.020
who the fuck is driving to an irish but so but here if i'm like for instance i saw my best mate
01:18:37.160
nick yesterday and i was like oh let's go out for a couple of pints and we would go out and we caught
01:18:41.340
up and we had three pints of beer and then that was it and that it's our culture here is very much
01:18:48.120
built around i would you know i'm i'm generalizing not not everyone loves drinking but i would say like
01:18:54.480
80 percent of the people in england love a beer every now and then or so and you would go out and
01:18:59.300
instead of getting shit canned every time you go out you know like i would go to these sports bars
01:19:03.800
and it would basically be like everyone in in the sports bar in america would be going with the sole
01:19:08.440
purpose to be dribbly drunk by the end of the night taken home in in an uber whereas in in england
01:19:13.760
it's very much and and ireland and scotland and wales it's a regular with my friendship group
01:19:20.320
anyway a regular um thing to have maybe like one or two pints at the end of a work day and then
01:19:26.780
maybe on a friday you'll have like six pints and a bottle of wine you'll go out and do the shots and
01:19:31.460
and and blah blah blah but it's far more um just part of the culture to do it regularly yeah yeah it
01:19:38.040
seems like they wear it better here it's not it's not alcohol it's not alcoholism to drink every day
01:19:43.520
here whereas in america if you drunk every day it'd be alcohol alcoholism because i've obviously people
01:19:48.240
take it too far here as well but the general thing i think is am i right in saying that lads like you
01:19:53.860
would go out for a couple of pints after this and it wouldn't be like well i think we we treat every
01:19:57.680
event with beer yeah oh you're sad have a beer are you happy have a beer yeah is it a wedding have a
01:20:03.400
beer is it a funeral have a beer yeah everything but it's not alcoholism it's the culture it's just
01:20:09.000
the culture it's not like i wake up every morning and i'm like i need a beer tonight it's like you get to
01:20:14.120
the end of the day and your mate will be like oh i'm in central london do you want to go for a beer
01:20:18.280
rather than like i need a beer it just right yeah yeah that's interesting dude because a lot like
01:20:24.220
by by the definition of alcoholism i mean everybody can decide for themselves if they're an alcoholic
01:20:29.660
that's one thing i know about that program like you have to decide like there can be like the rules
01:20:34.740
that kind of help you decide but it's a personal decision right but yeah people would look at a lot of
01:20:39.940
people in ireland and be like oh everybody everybody here is an alcoholic nine out of ten
01:20:44.480
people um even some people in comas or whatever drinking you're like that's new um but yeah but
01:20:54.220
like that but it's not the same because i think it's a misconception oh i agree i when you say that
01:20:59.240
it's like because i don't i i actually don't like the uh the culture of like people viewing ireland as
01:21:06.460
like an alcoholic country it's like it's not it they they you know we can have a good time
01:21:13.020
but it's not like uh i don't know it's the same same in in in england like it's it's just the
01:21:20.220
culture yeah i agree yeah but they're good germany's the same it surprises me how good at it they are
01:21:25.540
i think that's what surprised me just that like practice wow so we drink from a very young age
01:21:30.900
uh irresponsibly or responsibly but like i had my first beer when i was like 12 13 and you learn
01:21:37.800
how to um manage your alcohol by the age of 16 you know if i drink this many cans of strongbow
01:21:45.300
i'm probably going to throw up so i'll drink this many cans of strongbow whereas i think
01:21:49.020
in america it's very much like 17 18 19 maybe it's even just getting to college for the first time
01:21:54.080
where you're then finding out what your boundaries are yeah france they start drinking wine from like
01:21:58.780
five oh god they give they give tiny glass of wine uh to their kids and it makes them respect
01:22:04.120
alcohol by i'd watch that online if they had that
01:22:08.320
to be honest no judgment or anything and i don't know any of the children but
01:22:15.300
um and i wouldn't want to know any of them but i would watch them drink a little bit of wine dude
01:22:21.240
just especially you can't you know do anything bad to the screen or whatever there's a youtube video i
01:22:26.160
actually wanted to do it for one of my songs uh bloodstream was to have a video of compilations
01:22:29.820
of babies trying lemons get up get up babies trying lemons for the first time here we go
01:22:56.700
anyway we're good we're good we're good oh that's remarkable do you think about like
01:23:04.840
like what else you want to do in life yeah or just like yeah do you start thinking about like oh what's
01:23:11.480
something new you want to do getting to do that movie thing sounded really cool to me i'm gonna
01:23:14.680
segue into um i've been doing probably for the last seven years stuff with music in high schools
01:23:22.460
because the in my area so it basically when i in like 2017 2018 my old music teacher came to me and
01:23:29.940
he was like look the government is currently in charge do not value art at all like arts drama
01:23:36.580
music and they cut all the funding for comprehensive oh my god so my music teacher came to me and he was
01:23:43.320
like look we're going i think they had to share like between art music and drama like 700 pounds per
01:23:48.040
year like for all three subjects so i started funding that at my local high school and then
01:23:54.360
you see a like massive uptick in like kids doing production kids doing songwriting kids doing this
01:23:59.960
so then i just started keep putting it i built a recording studio there there's like loads of like
01:24:05.860
proper instruments that aren't aren't broken and you just see the school getting better at music so
01:24:11.260
then i started doing that in the county that i'm from and we've just now changed it to do it
01:24:16.420
nationwide and i'm now visiting more high schools and places uh that really need music funding and
01:24:25.220
you see what a difference it makes too because i'm not i'm not an academic person and in the real
01:24:31.300
world i would be viewed as stupid but i've excelled at music and therefore people think that i'm good
01:24:37.820
at something and so i found it massively helpful to be in a state-funded school that really encouraged
01:24:44.700
that and they've basically cut funding in england for it so i'm doing what i can to get funding for
01:24:51.880
it but i think getting the government the new government will be better at it i think oh that's
01:24:57.360
remarkable but the uh the thing that like that's kind of what i want to segue into is music education
01:25:03.600
because it worked so well for me and i know it can work so well for other kids i'm kind of like
01:25:08.260
proof that normal kids can just pick up guitars work hard and and and and do and our our country
01:25:15.780
as well like what we're famous for is our art we're famous for music with the beatles we're famous for
01:25:21.960
painting damien hirst we're famous for movies you've got like danny boyle coming out of here
01:25:25.940
christopher nolan and uh the government is just putting importance on maths and banking and you know we
01:25:34.520
make arms but no one is no one is proud that we make arms and no one is proud that our banking's
01:25:40.260
really good but they are proud of our art and so for a government to be like the art doesn't matter
01:25:45.720
like where do you think the art's going to come from so i think that that for me is the next part
01:25:50.520
of my career is getting a proper proper proper funding and art music drama back into schools and
01:25:58.240
actually ireland do a very good job of it ireland are very very pro their arts because they know that
01:26:03.560
that's their cultural currency you know you two travel the world and they and they see that
01:26:07.840
bernshees of inner shearing comes out everyone goes to watch that movie and um they're they
01:26:13.060
ireland are very very good at recognizing that and funding there's lots of uh irish
01:26:18.120
there's tons of pride there too still because people travel around the world as irish superstars
01:26:24.280
in all aspects and they spread people are like oh ireland's awesome because so-and-so comes from
01:26:29.860
ireland so-and-so comes from ireland and it's the same in in in england like british music there's
01:26:34.300
adele there's harry styles there's stormzy there's me there's like that musicians travel the world and
01:26:38.720
we people are like oh that's a that's a british musician or that's a uh you know british artist
01:26:43.080
or a british actor or actress and that's what we as a country are proud of yeah we're proud of our
01:26:49.580
football as well but in in terms of like art um and it's so weird that no importance is being put
01:26:56.480
on it it's not even that the importance isn't being put on it it's like completely stripping
01:27:00.240
the importance of it and just being like this doesn't matter but i'm sorry to get all no but
01:27:04.540
when you when you kill that in a culture it's it's horrible man even like you said like when you said
01:27:09.120
earlier about like going to that nba game right you don't realize till you sit there at the front
01:27:13.420
row or until you get close to something how important it is how important it is or what are you
01:27:18.280
if you could even be good at it like i remember stand-up comedy i'd seen it like videos people had
01:27:23.680
like um dvds would get passed around the neighborhood like chris rock and stuff like
01:27:28.320
that and i'm like oh this is cool but until i was in college and actually went to a show
01:27:32.320
not then until that moment did it hit me like this is what i could do that this is even a thing that
01:27:38.500
you could do like just seeing it on a on a screen it just didn't it didn't really but am i right to
01:27:45.660
assume that in school you would probably be like i don't know what i want to do what am i good at i'm
01:27:49.740
not very good at history i'm not very good at english i'm not very good at this and then suddenly
01:27:52.560
you find comedy and you go this is something that i can really excel at and i think unless you give
01:27:57.880
kids that opportunity and and also i feel like you can destroy a kid's confidence at age 12 by just
01:28:05.900
being like yeah you're not very good at that and if you give a kid i was given confidence by
01:28:11.220
my my music teacher by my dad by my friends when i wasn't very good at all i listened back to the
01:28:16.640
music that i was making when i was like 14 my friends were nice yeah i listen back and i go i go
01:28:21.980
fucking hell my dad was not honest at all because he was just like this is great and my confidence
01:28:27.540
was built and it's got to a point where i then was like i'm going to release my first single and i'm
01:28:32.560
going to make a music video and then that was the song that got successful and had i been like oh i
01:28:37.160
don't know what i'm going to think about that i think that's also like changing the culture of that
01:28:41.420
of like like i went up to uh sheffield um the other day to um do a couple of school and and and music
01:28:48.640
uh course visits and they were amazing like way better than i was at at at 14 and i feel like all
01:28:55.580
it takes is for someone to be like you're really really good at this and then they go oh well then
01:28:59.400
i should carry it on yeah and um well having the equipment like you're saying like putting that
01:29:03.360
equipment in at schools dude that's so cool because um if you have a camera and you have a like a
01:29:08.980
podcast setup or something you can record something you can see how it looks the second you do that
01:29:14.140
one step now you're in a whole new purview or whatever yeah and then like now what's possible
01:29:20.200
it's like but until you do your first stand-up show as well yeah your first show and you go right well
01:29:25.120
i've done one wasn't that good i'll go and do it again i'll make it better and then it just
01:29:28.280
improves yeah you don't know what part of you wants to do until you like it's almost like a metal
01:29:33.980
detector you're like a metal detector and until you kind of go over that little whatever that
01:29:38.880
is in the in something inside you kind of goes off you know well because all you need to do that
01:29:43.640
that's the thing as well that i say to kids i'm like you only need one thing that you're good at
01:29:47.680
you just find the one thing that you enjoy that you're good at and you just work really hard at
01:29:51.700
that and then it will work you go like the music industry is if you want to work in the music industry
01:29:57.940
you can like i was uh the day that i made it in my mind was i was gigging around gigging around not
01:30:05.420
getting paid i got booked for a wedding and i played this wedding for like 200 pounds and i
01:30:09.920
remember getting that 200 pounds cash and being like oh my god this is half my rent for playing
01:30:15.820
a gig looks like we made exactly and in my mind then i was like i could just play weddings for the
01:30:20.800
rest of my life and i'm fine i can do music and it's about finding the you know me getting 200 pounds
01:30:27.260
for playing covers at a wedding isn't me playing wembley stadium and making my albums and stuff like
01:30:31.520
that so it's not necessarily the dream but it is doing music as a career so you can find if you
01:30:39.100
said tomorrow like right i want to be a chocolate taster and i'm going to be the best fucking chocolate
01:30:44.200
taster you could potentially make that a career if you just worked harder than other chocolate
01:30:49.300
tasters or gamer or i don't know especially in the uk yeah willie wonka's from here
01:30:53.460
he is right did you ever meet him willie wonka uh no did i meet did tim i think i might have met
01:31:06.100
timothy chalamet somebody must have i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure someone's met him eventually yeah
01:31:11.360
fuck lucky that's the kind of people that you just some people you don't get to meet
01:31:16.360
you know some people the government hides them um what about the queen or anything can you text her
01:31:23.540
or whatever well she's dead well oh oh the new queen oh is there a new one they get a new one sorry
01:31:30.320
um i didn't know and i'm sorry that she's deceased too i did not she died in 2022 um oh yeah and then
01:31:37.520
king charles is now the king i did like her jubilee i played her gig and there's an amazing picture of
01:31:43.700
her shaking my hand and smiling oh and people are like oh she was pleased to meet you and actually
01:31:49.880
a comedian had just told her a joke so it looks like she's really happy to meet me but she had
01:31:54.300
no idea who i was at all but the picture says a thousand words there you go yeah do the queen do
01:32:00.420
the royal people what are they do what is it really like over there when you go over there
01:32:05.220
i don't think it's i don't envy it at all i don't i wouldn't want to live that lifestyle i i remember
01:32:12.460
being in japan once for the rugby world cup and i met one of them and he was like you know he's
01:32:19.640
six seven years older than me and he was like this is my first time in japan and in my mind i'm like
01:32:24.180
i would have just assumed that you go everywhere all the time but i think it's very much like it's
01:32:29.200
a working job they go and open hospitals open care centers go and do this go and do this and it's
01:32:33.820
it's uh i wouldn't envy the lifestyle at all i think it's it is quite restrictive i don't think
01:32:39.180
you can just be like i'm gonna go do this i think like have you seen the crown the show
01:32:42.980
because like even when they go on holiday they go on holiday and they have to do like a press shoot
01:32:47.720
before the holiday and then people just take photos of them for the whole holiday because it's kind of
01:32:52.220
like you allow because you are funded by the public the public own your life yeah it's got to feel we are
01:32:58.600
didn't yeah so it's not something that i would necessarily envy it's something that it's a big
01:33:03.740
debate in this country whether people agree with it or not i personally like think it gives a certain
01:33:09.360
like grounding for the there's like a historical aspect of it and when things happen it's like
01:33:15.760
americans love seeing the ceremony that's that's there's over here like when the queen passed away
01:33:19.460
the the funeral is like very impressive and it very much uh um i don't know represents england for
01:33:28.400
the world you know england look at it yeah because i think england is something there there are a lot
01:33:32.160
great things it's like very proper and it's like there's a lot of things that i would not agree with
01:33:36.300
as well i think it is very like it's rigid almost it's a very polarizing subject um but yeah but i
01:33:43.980
i definitely wouldn't envy the lifestyle yeah oh yeah it seems like it would be tough like you're such
01:33:49.460
a con and you have to be a concierge to the your own country and you have to be such a representative
01:33:54.080
never talk about anything negatively their thing they say never complain never explain so anything that
01:34:00.900
happens they just right you're just a middleman yeah you can't show any emotion like even at like
01:34:06.220
funerals and stuff like you're not meant to cry and stuff it's like really quite hardcore oh yeah
01:34:12.900
gosh i remember my first funeral dude not fun are they i was not good at funerals no i was the i feel
01:34:21.580
like they're then then needed to mark it though i missed my grandmother's funeral i was doing did you
01:34:27.940
see that court case last year that i was in you know about that i was in a court case last year
01:34:32.060
and we all my friends are criminals to be honest with you she died at the start of the court case
01:34:38.000
and the and the um funeral was like midway through it because she had to be buried um and you couldn't
01:34:44.020
go i couldn't and i i still feel weird about it that there was no marking of the like you know
01:34:50.240
seeing a coffin be put into a grave and covered and i don't know there's something in me that's like
01:34:56.180
even like visiting her grave now there's not it still feels like an open book yeah open door i
01:35:02.620
guess i think funerals are important for the ceremony of like marking it it's kind of like the
01:35:06.840
first day of grief as well because before you go to a funeral there's like a weird month or whatever
01:35:13.660
where everything's like really fucking intense and grief-stricken and then kind of the funeral is
01:35:18.240
the day that you go now we start processing it yeah yeah yeah it is kind of wild dude does any
01:35:24.420
your music get played at funerals too or not yeah i've got a song that i wrote about my grandmother
01:35:28.260
called supermarket flowers which um is a popular funeral song if if that's like a thing to be proud
01:35:34.980
of like i've got a popular funeral song but yeah it's such an important it's a song that it's a it's
01:35:39.320
a moment that people don't think of that much that needs a song kind of in a way maybe or i don't know
01:35:43.440
maybe as a songwriter maybe people do think about specific moments that need songs but i definitely do
01:35:47.980
like i definitely know what i would have at my funeral same as i would have at my wedding you
01:35:54.060
know you'd know you'd know what what tunes you want there's a uh irish folk song which is like
01:36:00.640
always the final song that is sung on a folk night which is called the parting glass where it's like
01:36:05.720
um the pogues or no no it's like traditional it's like uh it's uh of all the money that i had
01:36:14.780
i spent it in good company and all the harm that i had done alas it was to none but me and it's
01:36:24.500
basically like all of the things i did um and all i've done for want of wit to memory now i can't
01:36:32.620
recall so fill to me the parting glass good night and joy be with you all it's basically the last drink
01:36:41.400
of the night this is uh i sort of weird that i just sung on but no but there's a farewell but yeah
01:36:48.740
it's a um the last drink of the night and it's basically everything that's happened it's happened
01:36:53.720
and let's have this final drink and then get on with our lives and i think that's quite a nice way
01:36:57.960
to like go out of this world basically being like of all the of all the comrades that ever i've had
01:37:03.840
i uh i'm i'm sorry that i'm going away you know like it's like a it's just a message to people i
01:37:09.200
like it no man i appreciate you sharing that too yeah it's nice it's nice man that you from
01:37:14.680
everyone that's ever spoken about you i've heard you always seem like a person that just shares the
01:37:18.260
gift of who you are with the world as clearly as you know how to and navigate that the best you can
01:37:23.800
man so i appreciate you singing that's nice dude and yeah and i appreciate you spending time with me
01:37:27.620
man thank you yeah thanks for coming as well man i really really have enjoyed i feel bad that i call
01:37:32.380
that i referenced the term ginger and i feel bad that i mispronounced the name of this place man
01:37:37.440
oh that's all i i thought you were doing it on uh purpose okay i was all good no no the ginger
01:37:42.220
and i wasn't the ginger thing i'm actually like i'm i have a good sense of humor so i'm fun with
01:37:47.340
being uh yeah i just shouldn't have said it though no but i'm like my my my point is if if it's if
01:37:53.360
this is on limits then you know other things should be too yeah you know it shouldn't be the only
01:37:58.800
thing that's on limits oh i agree brother and let me tell you this we're turning on all the limits
01:38:05.300
one time we'll get you out to a live show and turn on all the limits um i hope you make a million
01:38:12.320
more wonderful songs and um and just uh keep blessing us with your gifts uh thank you so much
01:38:17.400
ed sheeran nice one thank you cheers man now i'm just falling on the breeze and i feel i'm falling
01:38:28.240
oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found i can feel it in my bones