Donald Trump is running for president of the United States of America, and he s one of the most famous people on earth. He s been an entrepreneur, a businessman, a TV personality, a reality TV host, and a presidential candidate. He is also the father of five adult children, and we sat down with him to talk about his family life.
00:02:50.580Well, that's where it is nowadays, right?
00:02:52.600Yeah, well, it's interesting. Yeah, I can't believe that we're able to get platforms. I started in my kitchen, and then it just evolved out of there.
00:03:09.660Yeah, does Barron play sports or anything?
00:03:12.760He does. He plays golf and different sports soccer. Loves soccer. Very good at soccer. He's a good athlete, Barron.
00:03:21.000Yeah? Is he going to go? Has he already picked a college or no?
00:03:24.180He has, and he's getting set to go in the fall. Good college, a very good one. And he was always a very good student. He's smart. Smart guy.
00:03:34.060Which one of, yeah, like which one of your kids, like, yeah, what's something you admire about each one of your sons?
00:03:38.800Well, Don is a hunter. He's a great, great hunter and knows everything about that world and guns and all. He was the first one that said, Dad, boy, you got lucky because I didn't realize that 130 yards is actually very close in that parlance.
00:03:59.400And he said, you got lucky. He knew immediately when he saw that, he said, it's incredible because that's considered a pretty close distance.
00:05:20.960Yeah, I just like... The first time I was nervous, I think, and then after that when I've seen them, it's like it's fun to kind of cut up with them a little bit.
00:05:27.840Yeah, well, they're good guys and they really, they get along great with the rest of the family. We all get along great. We have a good family.
00:05:36.300But I love UFC. You talk about a great guy. How about Dana White? Good job he does, right?
00:05:42.920Yeah, I want to thank Dana too for helping get us set up together.
00:05:46.720Yeah, he makes it happen. I like Dana. He doesn't waste words. He doesn't waste time.
00:05:53.940He likes to, I think, be efficient and he likes, he has a, seems like a strong sense of integrity for himself.
00:06:00.700Yeah, nobody like him actually. It's, you know, there's an expression that everybody is replaceable. Not Dana.
00:06:08.360Nobody could do what he does and he's made that sport into a big monster sport.
00:07:07.260Oh, he's great. He was, boy, I tell you, he's a warrior.
00:07:09.800That last fight he had, whether you like it or not, he is a warrior.
00:07:14.320Yeah. Yeah. It felt like he didn't get the, he didn't get the victory, but it didn't feel like he lost.
00:07:18.400No, he didn't lose that fight. He, he really, the man he was fighting was tough.
00:07:24.300He was tough and didn't expect that same fight, but he oftentimes will, he, he makes people suffer.
00:07:30.800There's no question about it. No, he's all, he's all, he's a pro. He's a professional.
00:07:35.080He's all heart. He's from Louisiana. That's where I'm from.
00:07:37.460As that fight went along, he just got stronger and stronger and he was getting pounded and he was going to be choked out about four different times and he just wouldn't let it happen.
00:07:51.120And he cooks Thanksgiving dinner every year.
00:07:52.980Oh, wow. Maybe I'll have to go sometime.
00:07:55.640Oh yeah. I mean, he must do good food.
00:07:57.860He does. Yeah. He does some good stuff over there. Um, yeah. What was the first, do you remember like the first fight that you ever went to, whether it was, it was UFC or boxing or anything?
00:08:05.460Yeah, I do. Uh, it was, uh, Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali in Madison square garden many, many years ago.
00:08:14.040And I think it was the first fight I went to. I liked, I was like the boxing.
00:08:20.820Oh boy. I don't know. You can deduct it from what I am now, but it was a long time ago, but they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated.
00:08:29.360Uh, Muhammad became a friend of it. So did Joe, Jolton Joe. Uh, he was, uh, they were two great fighters. That fight was incredible.
00:08:37.600I think they had like many heart attacks that night, literally heart attacks in Madison square garden. I think it was Madison square garden.
00:08:45.920And the fight was so unbelievable. Two undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC and there was no competition really. It was it.
00:08:56.380And so you had two guys. I remember that Muhammad wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things. And, uh, he was a terrific guy, both terrific guys.
00:09:06.000Very different. And they finally made it happen. They finally made that battle happen.
00:09:08.200And they made it happen. So you had two undefeated heavyweight champions fighting.
00:09:10.880And who took you to the fight? You remember?
00:09:12.260Uh, I went with my father and my brother, Robert. And, uh, it was just, I don't know. I must've been very young. It was a long time ago, but you would never forget it. That was one of those moments.
00:09:25.300But no, literally there were like many heart attacks in the arena.
00:09:29.600Did people having too much fun or what do you think?
00:09:31.260No, they were just having heart attacks because it was such a crazy event.
00:09:35.160And it was so, the people were just, I know a friend of mine, a father, he went, uh, he had a bad heart attack. Literally. They took him out. They were taking people out.
00:09:46.940And I don't hear that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting events. I don't think there's ever been, I don't know, I guess there has, but you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, their first fight, but it was a very exciting time.
00:09:59.320Yeah. And just people being, I guess, yeah, sometimes our systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's going on. You know, like, I think like, yeah, maybe people just couldn't even handle so much joy. You think like, you think it was that people were just so excited.
00:10:11.760They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had, I guess they do it. Maybe Superbowls or something.
00:10:18.160Oh, people have heart attacks eating a thick soup, you know? So it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome like that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out.
00:10:27.160Yeah. But I never hear of it, you know, and I'm sure it happens just that one. But, uh, we had an exciting event the other night with Elon, Elon Musk and me.
00:10:36.300I listened. We had a pretty big audience for that one. I can tell you. Yeah. I listened for probably about like 20 minutes. I thought it was cool. It was, I think the tough part was just like, uh, the, just like, it would have been neat if you guys could have been in the same spot, you know, but I still thought it was exceptional.
00:10:51.280I heard the audio was great. And actually they put out a clear tape of it because they had clear tape.
00:10:56.280They had so many millions and millions of people watching like record numbers of people. And I'm trying to figure out we're on a cell phone or I was, and you know, that's a lot of people coming into a cell phone one way or the other.
00:11:09.880But I heard some people had a problem with the audio. I don't know. I don't do that thing. You know, that was done. And, and, uh, we had a great conversation. It was for two hours and 15 minutes. They just put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape of it.
00:11:23.280Uh, but I, I sounded, I think I sounded, somebody said, uh, your voice was distorted or something. And, and, you know, I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing, such a big audio, but I would have, I would have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They put it out right after the show. So now it's a clear tape where a perfect tape done there.
00:11:44.840Yeah. But when it goes through different phone systems and everything else, uh, you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then. Cause I think his voice was more clear.
00:11:54.060Yeah. Maybe because he was the one who, who was like initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah. I'm not sure about how, how all that works, but yeah, I know that in post, a lot of times they can tighten things up and make it better. You know, I, um, yeah, it's amazing how Elon, like the cost to have really have your own voice in the world is $44 billion basically.
00:12:12.700Well, if you want to have your voice, like, you know what I'm saying? He has his own, like he has his own channel and he does what he wants to do. And he's a fantastic guy and he's a brilliant person and the country should be very proud of him. Actually. I have truth, which has been very successful. Uh, true social, you mean true social. Yeah. And that's, uh, been very successful in getting my voice out. Well, I needed a voice because, you know, I was on Twitter and I was on, uh, Instagram. I was on all of it.
00:12:42.340And, uh, I was on Facebook and when you added it up, I had, I, I was told by, uh, Zuckerberg and others, it was like record setting type of numbers. And then one day I didn't have anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled.
00:12:58.460There's such a collusion there, right?
00:12:59.780Yeah. It was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so I had nothing. So after about a month, you know, I have a lot of things to say. And after about a month, I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go out and put out an old public relations statement. You, you remember that. And, uh, although you're a little young to see it, but in the old days you'd put out a statement.
00:13:17.860And I did, and it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up and I opened truth and truth has become terrific. Actually for me, I really want just as a platform. I mean, it's more important than anything else. And at least you have your voice then you can say my voice back. Yeah.
00:13:33.860I had hundreds of millions of people. Even now, uh, I haven't been too active on X, but, uh, I have, I guess, 90 some odd million people on it. And, but I was much higher than that when I was actually all the people. I don't even know how many people there are.
00:13:50.360Yeah. I mean, it's been, but I, I love the job he's done and he's brought a certain voice back into, into play. Yeah. The previous people were terrible, terrible. Yeah. Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged.
00:14:03.000Oh yeah. Every statement you made, you'd be red flagged. Yeah. They just, it's almost like, yeah, it's like, um, when you have a babysitter and they don't want to have any fun or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's kind of the vibe I got. When you, um, yeah, I see, yeah. Cause I see you at the, at the fights. I see you. Sometimes you'll sit right by Dana and sometimes I'll sit. Yeah. Like me, I'll go with like David Spade sometimes as a close friend of mine. Good. And, um, yeah, I'll see you coming with Kid Rock and, um, yeah. And you don't drink at the fights. No, Kid Rock is, uh, he's terrific. He came to the
00:14:32.880convention. He knocked him. He knocked everybody out. He was, and he's a great guy. He's just a great guy. He's, he's popular, very popular.
00:14:40.800Oh, he's, he's definitely, he's a real dirt serpent too, dude. He's a freaking legend, you know? He's, he's a legend. He is a legend, I guess, in a true sense. Oh, a hundred percent. People love him, dude. Look at him. I went to his show not long ago somewhere. And, um, people, I think some guy had a heart attack there too, but it was like, it was more funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes. Um.
00:15:10.800People, he's, uh, he's big stuff, but he's really, forget about that. I call him Bob, you know, Bob, right? It's Bob Kid Rock, but it's Bob, but he's, uh, a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right? Oh yeah. I mean, I live in Nashville right when I got in, uh, in, in the town. He, um, yeah, he hit me up one night and it was like, Hey man, I'm having a birthday party this week and you should come. And I didn't even know him, you know? And it was nice of him. And since then we've done a lot of fun stuff together. His brother's missing a leg too, which is crazy.
00:15:39.800He looks like the lamp. Have you ever seen that movie, the lamp, like from like a Christmas story or whatever? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. But he's fantastic. The family, the father, I knew very well. He just passed away and it was tough for the brother. I did. And he was, he was fantastic. I got to know him through knowing Bob and I tell you what, it's just a fantastic family. The whole family. No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look at his brother right there. That's right. Dude. And you know what? He plays golf and
00:16:09.720he plays well. He, uh, he hit a perfect drive with me. I said, do you play? We're on the 17th hole. I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, Oh, really? You want to hit a shot? And he said, okay. And he got up. Well, it was very hard for him to put the, I mean, it was really a tough situation. Cause he has to get the ball in the ground and the tea and everything else. Nobody did it for him. And he did it. I mean,
00:16:39.720he swung and I'm a good golfer. He had a perfect shot out to the right with a little hook. Nobody knows what that means in your audience probably, but that's like a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect. He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do it again. Cause you'll never be able to hit a shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's a, he's great. And, and, and Bob really do it again.
00:17:02.860Until he's a repeat offender. They really have an amazing family. Bob's great. I've been to parties at his house. You know, one thing that's really nice about him is I'll go do something with him. And then like a few days later, he'll send a nice note or he'll send like a photo, like a frame photo and just say, Hey man, I had a nice time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed at the events you don't drink and you don't drink or smoke, right? I don't drink or smoke. You never have. No, I never have. I've had a great brother who taught me a lesson. Don't drink.
00:17:32.860Don't drink. And he said, don't smoke. He smoked and he drank and he was a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy. Is he older? He was older, quite a bit older. Yeah. And, uh, he would, uh, he had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot. But you know, I tell people no drugs, no drinking, no cigarettes. Yeah. I tell that to my kids all the time. I'd say no drugs, no drinking, no smoking. And, uh, it was tough. He had, well, he'd always tell me, he'd say never. So he was, uh,
00:18:02.860you know, really old enough that you would look up to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway. Did you admire him? Yeah. I admired a lot, so much about him. He, he had so much going. He had to look, uh, he had an unbelievable personality, like a, an incredible personality. What was his name, Donald? His name was Fred, Fred Trump.
00:18:24.200And he had a problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's, and you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of. I've, I don't know if you've ever heard that. I was in recovery. Actually, I've been in, I've been in recovery. So like most of the last 10 years from alcohol, from drugs and alcohol, drugs, which is worse for me. Drugs is the problem. But if I have a drink, then I, it's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting it. It sets off a chain. Yeah. But is,
00:18:54.180which is harder to quit? I've heard alcohol is harder to quit than drugs. If that makes sense. I don't know. Oh yeah. I mean, I can only imagine because it's probably more readily available. More readily. Well, and it's social and you're sitting and everyone's drinking and all. Yeah. Really? Do you go to a dinner and everybody's eating like, you know, Xanax or something, you know, for appetizers? Usually people are having like a mint, you know, a mint julep or something, a little fancier Negroni. I just learned about. Right.
00:19:24.180And in my family, my family, it's like, um, yeah. Can you, can you stay away from it? Yeah. I've done a good job. I mean, how long have you been off? I go to recovery meetings. I've been off most recently to a little over two years. Do you ever go back on? Yeah. I've had stints where I go back on and, um, and, and you don't control it. Uh, it's tough. It gets, it goes downhill pretty quick. No kidding. So you think it's going to be easy. You think you're controlling it. And then you're damn, yeah, you're doing go-kart and racing with hookers and stuff. It gets bad.
00:19:54.180And you're like, I have to not do it. Did you see like with your brother, did you, could you see it or anything? Oh yeah. Man. I was amazed because he, he had so much going and everything going. I think he probably, it happened in college at a fraternity maybe, or I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened. And all of a sudden, you know, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately, but, uh, and then the family would see it and start to notice it.
00:20:24.180And, uh, it didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived, uh, for so long in bad conditions, you know, in terms of, I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out and it had bad moments. And, but his body was unbelievably strong that it could, that it could withstand this.
00:20:44.800Yeah. It's a body. You're probably just so resilient. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him?
00:20:50.000I do. And, uh, I'm sorry to ask you about it.
00:20:53.320Yeah, I know. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people. If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation.
00:21:02.600We talk about that stuff a lot on our, on our podcast. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of our audience, uh, struggles or has struggled with, um, alcoholism, addiction, intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know?
00:21:14.180So it's like a, it's pretty kind of normal conversation, but, um, you know, the interesting thing is, and I tell people, so I never had a cigarette and I've never had a glass of alcohol.
00:21:24.640And my brother was incredible. He would tell me cause he knew he had a problem and he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever smoke. He'd always add smoking because he did smoke a lot, uh, which is, you know, not very healthy, but he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said, don't ever drink. Cause he knew he had this addiction.
00:21:43.640Yeah. Addiction. And I never had a glass of alcohol. Never, ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him. And I would say that if I did drink, I could, you know, conceivably be the type of personality that would have like you, that would have a problem, but I never had. And the only thing I say to people is if too late for the people that you're talking about, but if you don't drink, you don't miss it. I mean, I, I don't, I don't even think about alcohol or.
00:22:10.800Right. It's not a part of your world. I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any of that. If you, if you don't take drugs or if you don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it. It's one. I had a friend who, uh, went to the Wharton School of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy. Where is it? Wharton School. That's in Philadelphia. That's it. At Penn. Yeah. Rocky. Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school. And, uh, it's part of the university of Pennsylvania, the business school.
00:22:39.760Oh, it's nice down there. Yeah. My friend's brother went there or something. Well, he ate near there once. Then he was smart because it's a great school. But this, this person that I met, he hated the taste of scotch. Hated it. Couldn't stand it. But he insisted on having it because he wanted, he felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no, just don't drink. He said, you know, to be successful in business, you have to sort of interact and you have to drink. And I said, don't do it.
00:23:07.860Anyway, he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic. Oh, I thought you meant like one of the best. Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, he, but he hated the taste of scotch. And he still did it. And then he couldn't live without it. Wow. Literally. Well, I think I noticed a lot of like in the recovery rooms and stuff, it's a lot of people that have, they're missing something inside of them. And so they, could be, they take on like, you know, they want to try and fill it up with something else. Yeah.
00:23:37.860I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick, very sick. And we thought we'd lose him or we lost him. Then he'd get better. And that happened five or six times. I mean, well, you thought you lost him and then he got better.
00:23:55.320Yeah. And it was amazing. I mean, he was, you know, certainly very strong in that sense. And I just tell people it's, it's so tragic. Don't drink. Just don't drink. Yeah. And you're not going to have a problem. Like even you, if you didn't drink, you would never, but you probably, maybe you wouldn't be successful like you are. You know, it's part of your, your story.
00:24:14.740It's helped me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know what would happen. Probably. I think it's just too risky. Um, it is something that you miss about him or like that. Yeah. Like what's something that you miss about him, Fred?
00:24:25.800Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think of it. He's got this problem and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem. And I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem. Yeah. If I had that problem. And, and I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the problem if I drank.
00:24:43.880But if you don't drink, you're never going to have it. I mean, I don't miss when I see somebody light up a cigarette and just they're in heaven. Uh, I don't miss that at all.
00:24:54.320It's weird. It's so Nate, it's very native American too. Isn't it crazy? Bizarre. And you know, I think sometimes our older brothers, they kind of like, they take the speed bumps for us, like as younger brothers so that we don't have to, you know what I'm saying? Does that, you know what I'm talking about? Like my brother went through a lot of stuff so that I didn't have to go through it. And then I get to see him and learn.
00:25:12.380And is he okay now? Yeah. He's doing great now. Yeah. He's doing great now, but it's just, it's like, yeah, that's one of the blessings I think of having an older brother.
00:25:19.740Well, you can learn through history too, whether, even if it's not a brother, it's by watching other people. I mean, you can see if you have a friend who's an alcoholic or even just by reading about people, you can learn.
00:25:30.040Oh yeah. It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in this case, it was very personal. It was a brother. And, uh, I learned not to drink and I learned not to smoke cigarettes. Now, I don't know that I would have smoked cigarettes.
00:25:40.860I probably would have drank. I think, you know, there's no reason not to drink, but I had a reason because he told me, you know, just don't do it. Yeah.
00:25:49.520Yeah. That was kind of a blessing then, huh? Yeah. And where did you, did they, um, did you guys ever do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you have with him?
00:25:57.920Um, he had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot. Oh, sweet. And he loved it. And he ever fly with him? Uh, I did. I flow with him. He, he was a great pilot and a very talented other pilots would come to his house to study with him, watch him fly.
00:26:15.700Yeah. And he was really talented that, but ultimately he had to give that because of the alcohol. He had to give that up, which was a hard thing for him to do, but he had to give that up.
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00:28:22.400Yeah, it's crazy. That's the wildest thing to watch is people losing everything, you know?
00:28:27.280Yeah, no, they lose everything and many, many people. And yet in those days, it wasn't drugs. It wasn't like, don't drink, don't take drugs. I don't think drugs, I don't even know whether they're even a factor. They happened pretty long time ago. But I think in those days, I don't think, were drugs a factor? You go back 25 years ago.
00:28:48.140Yeah, and that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about. Like alcoholism and addiction is something that's really ramped up, even like you're saying, like in the past 20, 30 years in our country, right?
00:28:59.580And during the opioid epidemic, they estimate that like almost 600,000 people died. And that doesn't even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and circles of trust.
00:29:13.960It's all, you know, just people that lost a brother, didn't even include the actual siblings, you know? And so the ripple effect of that is huge. And there's that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it. You know, they had a financial slap on the wrist.
00:29:28.740But we're one of the only countries that allows drug advertisements and pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. Like, what do you think are things that you can do to help curtail that when you get in office?
00:29:46.120Yes, it does make sense. And we had committees, blue ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet. The big problem we have is, you know, fentanyl is probably the biggest. Opioid is bad. Opioid is bad too.
00:30:01.760Yeah. I think that's bad because everyone thinks, you know, in many cases, they think they're going to do away with pain. And literally the time is so short. If you take it for like two weeks, you're almost addicted to it. It's incredible when you-
00:30:18.100Oh, well, the whole, yeah, all of that is horrible. But why do we allow that time?
00:30:37.540Some of the stuff started to get a real rattle in it too. I don't know where we were even getting it from in this country, but yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something.
00:30:46.040So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part.
00:30:49.160Right. Yeah. But well, what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll give me, it'll like, be like, okay, well, I had a drink, then I can do this.
00:31:34.340But it's crazy because that's what alcoholism is. I think it's that it trumps the why. Yeah. Like it doesn't, and it just, you don't, and you just go to, it's like, so that's why it's, they say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's what they say about alcoholism.
00:31:50.380Alcoholism. And it is. It's, it's, um, which is a bigger problem in our country. Would you say? Opioids.
00:31:58.040Bigger than alcohol. Oh, for sure. I think it's, that's one of the biggest problems.
00:32:01.440And compare that to fentanyl. Oh yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making fake opioids because they can't afford real wins or they're just getting them off the street and then they put fentanyl in them.
00:32:10.440Yeah. Um, fentanyl's like laced into everything now. It's horrible. It's horrible. Yeah. They found something, a baby rattle somewhere. I think. I don't even know where that was.
00:32:18.980Um, but one of the things I was wanting to ask you about was like, so there's like the big pharma lobbyists, like there's 1800, uh, big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC. Right. There's only 535 total, uh, representatives or senators total. So just the fact that there's this whole other, almost drug government that's there kind of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things. Like, how do we stop that?
00:32:46.300Man, it just seems like it's obviously killing people. Like people are dying. You know, it's like, what do we have to do that our own government won't help us?
00:32:56.720Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know, I was not a big person for lobbyists. And if they have even, even a little access to like a president or a senator or a congressman or woman, uh, they get a lot of money.
00:33:08.880Yeah. Yeah. And in some cases they just take the money. They don't do anything, but, uh, you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing and certainly a lot for the, for all of the things that we're talking about, including alcohol.
00:33:21.660Well, the lobbyists are winning. It feels like they're winning. They're making a lot of money. Absolutely. Can you stop that? Can a, can a president stop that? Like, how do we stop that?
00:33:30.520Well, one way you could stop it is to say, if you're going to go into government, you can never be a lobbyist. Uh, in many cases, they have rules and regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years, five years, whatever.
00:33:42.420You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official?
00:33:44.840I mean, you could say, you could say that you, if you're an elected official or if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist. You have people that work in government and they give out contracts to the military and then they leave and they work for them, for the people that they're giving out contracts to.
00:34:02.720That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws or, you know, but can we outlaw lobbyists or we can't do that?
00:34:16.600Well, there's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you make somebody never, ever go into the business? If you're, if you work for government and especially if you're giving out contracts, in other words, you're a powerful person within some industry, the Navy, the army, any, you know, any,
00:34:32.720thing. It could be military procurement, et cetera. There's a whole thing like, there's a whole question as to, you give out a contract and then all of a sudden you're working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract to.
00:34:46.180Right. It's like you're playing both sides in the net.
00:34:47.660Well, it's, and it's obviously a problem and it's a big problem and we were doing things about it, but then we had to get down to other business. We had to solve some, we had a lot of problems with this country. A lot of problems.
00:34:59.000It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you. I would say, what do you think?
00:35:03.180Well, I think the people like me. Oh yeah. The people. We're leading now in all the polls. We're leading in, uh, Rasmussen just came out a little while. Rasmussen's a very highly, highly regarded poll and we're leaving by like leading by five points.
00:35:14.960Rasmussen poll and, uh, and others also, and we're doing well, but I think the people like me a lot, you know, we won and then we did.
00:35:24.540No doubt. So we won in 2016 and then we did much better in 2020, much better. Got millions and millions more votes.
00:35:33.140And, uh, why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? Like, what is it that they are so afraid of?
00:35:38.740Well, in some cases, the things we're talking about right now, they want to sell product that I'm not interested in.
00:35:44.820They want to have certain boats and certain chips and certain planes and certain everything bought. Um, pharma is another one that's, you know, interesting.
00:35:55.560Or do they push back against you, you think?
00:35:57.240Uh, yeah, I think they do. Well, uh, yeah, I think, I think it's pretty obvious that they do.
00:36:03.360In one way, that's a positive thing politically, because when you can show that they push back, the voters seem to like it.
00:36:10.200But we have a lot of, a lot of popularity. We have a lot of, uh, a lot of people that want to see me come back and win because we had a great time.
00:36:17.920We had the greatest economy in history when I was president.
00:36:54.980Certainly, um, you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but, uh, I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the healthcare system is against the American people.
00:37:05.260Um, because hospitals and insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all of us.
00:37:11.360And literally they can charge whatever they want.
00:37:14.380You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes, I'll pay.
00:37:16.780You trust the hospital, but then you get home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me.
00:37:36.220Right. So that people would be able to know, okay, if an MRI costs $600 here and it's $5,000 there, then I can go here and save myself money.
00:54:50.140We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall because they didn't do it.
00:54:53.740And we're going to have an unbelievable border.
00:54:56.160And we're going to spend a lot of time getting the criminals out.
00:54:58.660Look, we have murderers in our country now.
00:55:00.860I don't think people should be allowed to be in our country if they're criminals.
00:55:03.080Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know that we have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of murderers.
00:55:09.800We have we have people, drug dealers talking about drugs.
00:55:13.340It's it's not even believable that they'll do it.
00:55:16.900So what they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose and terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands.
00:55:29.360And they are in our country right now.
00:55:31.580And the country that brought them out said, if you ever come back, we're giving you the death penalty or we're going to kill you.
00:55:36.660Well, in Brooklyn alone, there's a huge there's a huge building that is housing just Haitian people.
00:55:42.660There is housing this wandering around Brooklyn all the time.
00:55:44.900My friends are telling me they have some rough people, really rough people.
00:55:48.260So you're so when you so if you get reelected to the border, you're going to continue that project.
00:55:52.900Well, I'm going to make sure it's safe.