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00:01:28.720 Today's guest is a business mogul.

00:01:31.760 He's an entrepreneur.

00:01:33.340 He's launched some of the biggest companies in the world

00:01:36.000 and owned the Dallas Mavericks along the way,

00:01:39.760 helped leading them to great success.

00:01:42.320 He just retired from his stint on Shark Tank.

00:01:47.060 And I'm very grateful to get to spend time with him.

00:01:49.340 And today's guest is Mr. Mark Cuban.

00:01:52.900 Shine that light on me

00:01:56.900 I'll sit and tell you my stories

00:02:02.940 Shine on me

00:02:07.620 And I will find a song

00:02:11.820 I've been singing just before

00:02:14.520 Good to see you today, Mark.

00:02:22.500 Thanks for having me, Theo.

00:02:23.340 It's a pleasure, man.

00:02:24.240 Thank you so much.

00:02:25.260 Really, really an honor.

00:02:26.620 No, the honor's mine, man.

00:02:27.560 You've been crushing it.

00:02:28.560 Oh, thanks.

00:02:29.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:29.800 We've been really fortunate.

00:02:31.520 We've been working really hard

00:02:32.500 over the past two years,

00:02:33.800 been working really hard.

00:02:34.980 And I think luck has kind of met us along the way, you know?

00:02:38.640 I'll take luck every time, man.

00:02:39.880 Will you?

00:02:40.200 Oh, hell yeah, right?

00:02:41.360 Has luck come up to play in your business at your level?

00:02:44.740 Or do you still think there's a level of luck to it?

00:02:46.540 Or what do you kind of...

00:02:47.200 So luck is about scale, right?

00:02:49.320 You know, as an entrepreneur, I think,

00:02:51.080 okay, I can start a business.

00:02:52.020 I can make some money.

00:02:53.240 You know, I can be okay, right?

00:02:55.480 But if you want to have a bee next to your name,

00:02:57.660 you got to have a lot of motherfucking luck, right?

00:02:59.880 So in my case,

00:03:00.840 I started the first streaming company, right?

00:03:03.240 Which would have been cool,

00:03:04.140 but it happened right at the time

00:03:05.580 the internet stock market was blowing up.

00:03:07.600 If the internet stock market wasn't blowing up

00:03:09.580 at the same time,

00:03:10.260 you'd have no idea who I am.

00:03:12.220 Oh, you mean because of...

00:03:13.220 So there was a level of luck to it.

00:03:14.480 Oh, yeah.

00:03:14.920 So the first streaming company was...

00:03:16.920 It's called AudioNet.

00:03:17.980 We started in 1995

00:03:19.080 when nobody knew what streaming was, right?

00:03:21.380 We called it internet broadcasting.

00:03:24.680 And so we started out a second bedroom,

00:03:26.520 my house just to set up just like this

00:03:28.080 and bought myself a PC

00:03:30.040 and connected it,

00:03:31.880 found a local radio station

00:03:33.040 that I could connect everything to,

00:03:34.780 went online,

00:03:35.400 and I would go and just say,

00:03:36.960 okay, if you want to listen to Dallas sports or news

00:03:39.520 from anywhere in the world,

00:03:40.820 come to this website,

00:03:41.740 audionet.com,

00:03:42.700 and it just blew up.

00:03:44.100 And then we got a video

00:03:45.240 and changed the name to broadcast.com,

00:03:47.300 went public in 1998.

00:03:48.900 It was the biggest IPO in the history

00:03:50.940 of the stock market at the time.

00:03:52.040 Oh, so that's how you started,

00:03:53.940 and this is a loose term.

00:03:55.620 I know you've done other things,

00:03:56.680 but so that's how you started to make some money.

00:03:58.760 Yeah, no, that's when I crushed it.

00:04:00.660 When you, when,

00:04:01.520 because that's when the dot coms,

00:04:02.760 like, yeah, if they had...

00:04:03.640 Oh, man, it was it.

00:04:04.780 That's how you bought sandals.com

00:04:05.840 sold for, like, 20 million.

00:04:07.520 Yeah, no, it was insane, right?

00:04:08.500 It was insane.

00:04:09.540 And so, but we were legit.

00:04:10.860 We were YouTube before YouTube, right?

00:04:12.820 And so we were the biggest by far.

00:04:14.460 It wasn't even close.

00:04:15.640 And so, you know,

00:04:17.300 we were the first to do basketball,

00:04:19.000 football, baseball,

00:04:19.960 you name it,

00:04:20.580 first ones to stream anything, right?

00:04:22.680 And then went public, great.

00:04:24.780 And then we sold to Yahoo,

00:04:26.180 and then Yahoo fucked it up,

00:04:27.100 but that's another story.

00:04:28.020 Oh, Yahoo bought a lot of things

00:04:29.560 that they fucked up.

00:04:30.280 Can we say that?

00:04:31.100 Yeah, you can say that.

00:04:31.900 Yeah.

00:04:32.120 Because it's true.

00:04:33.400 They made some poor choices.

00:04:34.560 I was working at Yahoo.

00:04:35.680 I was working over there

00:04:36.720 doing interviews with folks,

00:04:38.120 and they bought...

00:04:40.800 What was the website they bought

00:04:42.280 that for a crazy amount of money?

00:04:45.500 It was blogs.

00:04:47.100 People did blogs on it.

00:04:48.280 Yeah, I mean,

00:04:49.120 they've bought in a bunch, right?

00:04:50.660 And for whatever reason,

00:04:51.780 they could not get it right

00:04:52.940 for anything, man.

00:04:54.300 I mean, they bought us.

00:04:55.440 They bought all these

00:04:56.440 different companies

00:04:57.180 that at the time were huge.

00:04:59.120 Yeah, GeoCities.

00:05:00.000 That's what it was.

00:05:00.660 They bought that before us.

00:05:02.060 GeoCities was one,

00:05:02.820 but there was one that...

00:05:03.560 What was the blog website

00:05:04.480 that everybody used?

00:05:05.480 It kind of had a basic template to it.

00:05:08.080 Mash, uh...

00:05:09.800 No, um...

00:05:12.600 Tumblr.

00:05:13.520 Oh, Tumblr.

00:05:14.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:14.760 Well, Tumblr was hot.

00:05:15.540 Then it went porn, right?

00:05:17.220 Did it go porn?

00:05:17.980 I'm glad I got out.

00:05:19.080 Yeah, porn for a little while,

00:05:20.360 and then this dude I know,

00:05:22.500 Matt, bought it, right?

00:05:23.700 And so now he's just

00:05:24.620 trying to make it work.

00:05:25.440 Oh, trying to refinesse it?

00:05:26.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:26.960 Yeah, because that was a crazy buy

00:05:28.320 that they had.

00:05:28.720 I remember we were working there

00:05:29.780 and we're like,

00:05:30.020 you're buying a blog?

00:05:31.200 Like, that just felt like

00:05:32.660 you're headed to the past,

00:05:33.520 kind of.

00:05:33.900 I don't, you know,

00:05:34.680 now, then they were part of Verizon,

00:05:36.740 then they got bought by Apollo.

00:05:38.380 I don't know what they're doing now.

00:05:39.580 I mean, I still use Yahoo Finance, right?

00:05:41.300 It's not like people don't use it.

00:05:43.000 Yeah.

00:05:43.280 They just haven't been able

00:05:44.060 to get ahead of the game.

00:05:45.080 Yeah.

00:05:45.280 They had some stake in Alibaba, too,

00:05:47.340 that company.

00:05:48.060 Yeah, and that's where

00:05:48.560 they made some money, right?

00:05:49.600 Yeah, I think that that really kept them

00:05:51.020 kind of like in the vibe,

00:05:52.920 kind of of,

00:05:53.660 or just, yeah,

00:05:54.660 it obviously helped their coffers,

00:05:56.240 but yeah,

00:05:56.500 they made some poor choices,

00:05:57.780 I think.

00:05:58.080 I mean, hell,

00:05:58.460 they were paying me,

00:05:59.220 so obviously they were.

00:06:00.180 So they made one smart move, right?

00:06:01.640 Yeah.

00:06:02.660 When were you there?

00:06:04.080 I was there,

00:06:05.140 like, maybe 2010 or something?

00:06:09.600 2012.

00:06:10.580 Yeah, because I feel close,

00:06:11.440 2000.

00:06:12.000 So you were there, like,

00:06:12.920 2014 or something,

00:06:14.700 I was there, actually.

00:06:15.160 Who was the CEO

00:06:16.180 when you were there?

00:06:16.720 Do you remember?

00:06:17.420 It was a female CEO.

00:06:19.100 Oh, um.

00:06:19.580 Oh, they had just got her in,

00:06:20.840 actually.

00:06:21.040 Yeah, what the fuck was her name?

00:06:22.260 She was cute, actually.

00:06:24.360 Sorry to say that.

00:06:25.060 I never got a close-up look at her.

00:06:26.200 Oh, well, yeah.

00:06:27.720 But yeah,

00:06:28.220 I met her one time,

00:06:29.440 and I wish I'd met her

00:06:30.200 more than one time.

00:06:31.900 That's all I remember.

00:06:32.700 Marissa Meyer, yeah.

00:06:33.480 Oh, Marissa Meyer was great,

00:06:34.920 but they had another lady, too,

00:06:36.460 that worked kind of over us

00:06:38.400 in the video department.

00:06:40.540 All this diddy stuff going on, man.

00:06:42.080 What do you?

00:06:43.220 I'm sure glad

00:06:44.100 that I didn't hang out with him, right?

00:06:45.640 You never got in,

00:06:46.240 you never were in his universe.

00:06:47.340 I met him, right,

00:06:47.720 but never went out, right?

00:06:49.120 And actually,

00:06:49.940 back in 2003,

00:06:51.920 he reached out to me,

00:06:53.620 to the Mavs,

00:06:54.500 and wanted to design

00:06:55.720 a uniform for us.

00:06:57.020 And I never met him.

00:06:57.820 We did it all via email.

00:06:59.160 And so he had some of his designers

00:07:01.040 get in touch with me,

00:07:02.060 and they put together some,

00:07:03.540 and it was a cool-looking uniform, right?

00:07:05.360 Yeah.

00:07:05.960 We used it for a couple years,

00:07:07.520 but that was the extent

00:07:08.860 of my connection to Diddy.

00:07:10.340 I never hung out or did anything.

00:07:11.800 And I hung out enough in L.A.,

00:07:15.140 but I never really heard stories

00:07:16.780 about the parties

00:07:17.500 or anything like that.

00:07:18.160 That was my scene.

00:07:19.820 Yeah, that's kind of,

00:07:20.620 yeah, I would just hear stuff sometimes,

00:07:22.100 like I would hear certain things,

00:07:23.280 but it was never anything like,

00:07:25.380 oh, this is exactly what's going on.

00:07:27.180 Right, I mean,

00:07:28.080 and you would think

00:07:28.680 somebody would say something.

00:07:29.620 How do you keep that quiet

00:07:30.440 for so long, you know?

00:07:31.560 All those videos,

00:07:32.500 it's not like people didn't like,

00:07:33.760 I don't care if you take

00:07:34.540 people's phones, right?

00:07:35.840 Someone's sneaking in the phone.

00:07:36.900 Yeah.

00:07:37.220 If shit like that's happening.

00:07:38.540 Yeah, it's amazing that

00:07:40.000 if they say all the things are true,

00:07:41.500 that he was able to

00:07:42.420 just do that for so long, you know?

00:07:44.740 What is a level like,

00:07:47.660 is it scary when people

00:07:49.800 get to a level of wealth

00:07:51.180 that they can kind of have anything?

00:07:52.900 Like, what is some of that?

00:07:54.000 See, I don't look at it that way, right?

00:07:55.440 And I'm not saying you do either.

00:07:56.420 No, no, I hear you.

00:07:56.720 But I'm just curious about it.

00:07:57.740 Yeah, like what are the options, right?

00:07:59.340 Right.

00:08:00.020 Like, if you're rich as fuck,

00:08:01.080 what can you do

00:08:01.640 and get away with, right?

00:08:02.540 Like, I don't hang out

00:08:05.280 with people like that, right?

00:08:06.440 I always looked at it that,

00:08:07.760 like my high school buddies

00:08:09.060 are still my high school buddies, right?

00:08:10.580 The guys, you know,

00:08:11.560 my rugby teammates in Indiana,

00:08:13.120 my Indiana buddies,

00:08:14.120 those are my friends.

00:08:15.000 The guys, I lived six guys

00:08:16.160 in a three-bedroom apartment

00:08:17.180 when I moved to Dallas.

00:08:18.300 Those are my friends, right?

00:08:19.720 So it's not like,

00:08:20.780 okay, I'm getting the butlers,

00:08:22.600 I'm getting the chauffeur,

00:08:24.080 and look at me, right?

00:08:25.040 And I came by myself.

00:08:26.120 I don't give a shit about that.

00:08:27.020 Yeah, no, you seem, yeah.

00:08:28.260 Yeah, I was kind of wondering,

00:08:29.340 I was like, how will he show up?

00:08:30.580 Will a stork drop him off?

00:08:31.860 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:08:32.840 You know, like, how's he going to...

00:08:33.620 Yeah, but that doesn't mean

00:08:34.700 it hasn't crossed my mind, right?

00:08:35.900 Yeah.

00:08:36.280 It's just like,

00:08:37.400 you have to be,

00:08:39.320 in order to do shit like Diddy

00:08:41.160 or anybody like that,

00:08:42.340 you have to be so paranoid, right?

00:08:45.080 You have to try to think

00:08:45.960 of every base to cover, right?

00:08:48.760 And, you know,

00:08:50.180 now part of me wishes I'd done,

00:08:51.340 because there's too many pictures

00:08:52.120 of me out drunk

00:08:52.780 with my friends

00:08:53.440 and shit like that, right?

00:08:54.500 Yeah.

00:08:54.980 But I just don't like

00:08:58.620 to live paranoid, right?

00:08:59.900 I just, I mean,

00:09:00.860 I love having a lot of money.

00:09:02.220 It's a whole lot better

00:09:03.040 to be rich than it is to be broke,

00:09:04.640 but I was happy when I was poor.

00:09:07.400 I just was happier when I was rich.

00:09:09.120 And so I don't get that whole thing of,

00:09:11.260 you know,

00:09:12.380 like, just be protective

00:09:14.560 and, like, play the rich game, right?

00:09:16.680 That's just not my style.

00:09:18.200 Yeah, that's kind of it,

00:09:19.220 I think, play the rich game.

00:09:20.780 Like, but do you, like,

00:09:22.520 do you see people,

00:09:23.720 like, do you ever, like,

00:09:25.220 because that's the thing,

00:09:26.000 like, people get so much money

00:09:27.500 and then they get power too,

00:09:29.020 or some of them get one or the other,

00:09:30.580 maybe both.

00:09:31.600 But then, like,

00:09:32.260 how does that infect people?

00:09:33.680 Do you see that that could,

00:09:35.060 that that infects some people?

00:09:36.600 Like, have you ever witnessed it?

00:09:37.600 Yeah, oh, for sure, right?

00:09:38.860 So, like,

00:09:39.820 people who think

00:09:40.640 because they're rich,

00:09:41.520 they're smarter, right?

00:09:42.800 That they have more privilege, right?

00:09:44.880 They can get away

00:09:45.300 with whatever they want.

00:09:46.480 Yeah, particularly in business, right?

00:09:47.800 So if you talk to somebody

00:09:48.880 that may be richer than me, right?

00:09:50.700 Who will say shit

00:09:51.540 that's just crazy, right?

00:09:52.940 And think, okay,

00:09:53.720 because I said it,

00:09:54.660 that's what's up, right?

00:09:55.460 That, that's, that's,

00:09:56.580 it's right, right?

00:09:57.720 Or more likely, though,

00:09:59.140 in my experiences,

00:10:00.440 like, I'll get invited

00:10:01.260 to these parties, right?

00:10:03.460 That have a really nice house

00:10:04.500 and stuff, right?

00:10:05.160 Oh, yeah.

00:10:05.440 Right?

00:10:05.760 But there'll be, like,

00:10:08.600 50 servants, right?

00:10:09.920 Five people to answer the door,

00:10:12.140 six people that just specialize

00:10:13.380 in toast, right?

00:10:14.520 Just ridiculous shit, right?

00:10:15.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:10:16.060 And all over, I'm like,

00:10:16.700 how do you live like this?

00:10:18.140 You know?

00:10:18.720 Because it's bad enough,

00:10:19.780 like, I have too big a house.

00:10:21.800 And so you have to have people there

00:10:23.180 to clean it and stuff like that.

00:10:24.600 And there's no privacy

00:10:25.480 just with that.

00:10:26.220 And there's people

00:10:26.720 that'll have, like,

00:10:28.060 10 people in the house

00:10:29.000 at all times.

00:10:29.620 Yeah.

00:10:30.080 And I, I don't see

00:10:31.160 how they live, right?

00:10:32.160 So for some people,

00:10:33.180 maybe it's, like,

00:10:34.180 showing off.

00:10:35.260 To me, it's just like,

00:10:36.380 why would you live that way?

00:10:37.800 Right?

00:10:38.340 I'm happy to have

00:10:39.120 all this money

00:10:39.660 because I can live

00:10:40.460 the way I want

00:10:41.180 as opposed to live

00:10:42.680 the way somebody

00:10:43.400 thinks I should.

00:10:44.260 Yeah.

00:10:44.480 And I just get the sense,

00:10:45.400 to your point,

00:10:46.320 that some people get

00:10:47.540 to that level

00:10:48.100 and it's like,

00:10:48.420 okay, this is what

00:10:48.840 I'm supposed to do, right?

00:10:50.200 I'm supposed to have

00:10:51.140 this type of car.

00:10:52.700 I'm supposed to have

00:10:53.420 this many people

00:10:54.180 working for me

00:10:54.800 at the house.

00:10:55.500 I'm supposed to have

00:10:56.440 this type of, of course,

00:10:58.600 you know, China

00:10:59.500 or whatever.

00:11:00.240 Gold toilets.

00:11:00.940 Yeah, whatever that is, right?

00:11:02.140 But I am going to say

00:11:03.080 one of the things I got,

00:11:04.340 I got a heated toilet seat.

00:11:05.600 Yeah.

00:11:05.940 Best thing ever.

00:11:06.700 Really?

00:11:07.280 You never had one?

00:11:08.180 Mm-mm.

00:11:09.040 Dude, I remember

00:11:09.640 when I first got a clean lady

00:11:10.720 to come once a week,

00:11:11.660 I helped her,

00:11:12.320 like, the first month.

00:11:14.100 I felt horrible.

00:11:15.340 You feel horrible.

00:11:15.800 Right?

00:11:16.420 You've got to get

00:11:17.040 a heated toilet seat.

00:11:17.880 That's like,

00:11:18.280 if my, yeah,

00:11:19.640 I don't want my butt

00:11:20.380 getting used to

00:11:20.960 too many fancy things.

00:11:22.340 I'm just telling you.

00:11:23.640 Really?

00:11:23.820 I'm just telling you, right?

00:11:25.260 That's the one, huh?

00:11:27.140 Oh, I can almost imagine it.

00:11:28.300 Because I go from,

00:11:28.880 you know,

00:11:29.040 when you travel, right?

00:11:29.640 You leave home

00:11:30.100 and you're comfortable.

00:11:30.820 Yeah.

00:11:31.240 And I went,

00:11:32.040 where I'm staying now, right?

00:11:33.240 No heated toilets.

00:11:34.000 The first thing I know

00:11:34.700 is you sit down in the morning

00:11:35.780 and you're like,

00:11:36.960 fuck.

00:11:38.840 You're like,

00:11:39.280 this could be better.

00:11:40.200 This could be better, right?

00:11:41.320 Yeah.

00:11:41.680 I'm paying all this

00:11:42.300 for this room

00:11:42.860 and my butt's cold.

00:11:44.640 Oh, dude,

00:11:45.200 I remember the first night

00:11:45.940 I stayed in a hotel room

00:11:47.040 and it was like $600

00:11:48.380 or something

00:11:49.440 and I was afraid

00:11:50.540 to even go to sleep.

00:11:51.240 I was like,

00:11:51.600 if I sleep,

00:11:52.940 I'm wasting like $240, dude.

00:11:56.260 Oh, my goodness.

00:11:56.800 So I just kept staying up

00:11:58.020 as much as I could.

00:11:59.120 I still spent a little money,

00:12:00.440 wasted some of the money sleeping,

00:12:01.760 but it was nice over there.

00:12:04.380 Yeah, I just,

00:12:04.960 I think it's interesting

00:12:06.000 when people get to level,

00:12:07.340 like you would see it sometimes

00:12:08.640 with the Romans or something,

00:12:10.080 I don't know you would see,

00:12:10.700 but you would hear about it

00:12:11.420 with the Romans

00:12:12.100 where like they got to levels

00:12:14.020 of wealth and power

00:12:16.460 that they started,

00:12:17.380 that it veers into

00:12:18.780 like a lot of sexual,

00:12:20.120 like,

00:12:20.760 I don't know if proclivities

00:12:21.740 is the word,

00:12:22.300 is that a word?

00:12:22.740 Yeah, like what was it?

00:12:23.800 What does that mean,

00:12:24.320 proclivities?

00:12:24.820 Yeah, no, you got it, right?

00:12:26.140 So like Caligula, right?

00:12:27.920 I saw the movie Caligula,

00:12:29.280 right?

00:12:29.580 Was Caligula?

00:12:29.820 Yeah, that was the movie

00:12:30.560 where it was like,

00:12:31.100 oh, that's what it was?

00:12:31.400 Yeah, with all the sex

00:12:32.340 and everything.

00:12:32.980 Oh, I hadn't seen that.

00:12:33.580 Everybody was your concubine,

00:12:34.980 right?

00:12:35.160 Male, women,

00:12:35.900 doesn't matter, right?

00:12:36.620 Yeah.

00:12:36.840 Everybody was just fucking everything

00:12:38.060 because they could.

00:12:39.360 Yeah, I think that's something that's-

00:12:40.280 Yeah, my wife's not going

00:12:41.020 for that shit.

00:12:42.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:43.420 There weren't a lot,

00:12:44.060 yeah, there weren't a lot of,

00:12:45.140 yeah.

00:12:45.760 Once you put a wife in there,

00:12:47.220 things change.

00:12:47.740 It's over, yeah.

00:12:48.960 Proclivities,

00:12:49.460 a tendency to choose

00:12:50.420 or do something regularly,

00:12:52.120 a tendency to choose

00:12:52.980 or do something regularly,

00:12:53.860 an inclination of predisposition

00:12:55.320 towards a particular thing.

00:12:57.760 So, oh,

00:12:58.180 so it might activate proclivities

00:12:59.800 in you for something.

00:13:01.360 Yeah, no,

00:13:01.920 like with the Romans,

00:13:02.880 yeah,

00:13:03.200 their proclivities were

00:13:04.240 to fuck around

00:13:05.380 and have fun, right?

00:13:06.340 Yeah, and it would turn,

00:13:07.020 I think,

00:13:07.220 but a lot of people,

00:13:07.920 they do so much

00:13:08.620 like straight activity,

00:13:09.840 then it gets into gay or,

00:13:11.380 or I,

00:13:11.840 you know what I'm saying?

00:13:12.400 Like,

00:13:12.700 the spec,

00:13:13.600 oh yeah,

00:13:14.040 and I don't know

00:13:15.460 what I'm saying either,

00:13:16.100 but I think that's something,

00:13:18.080 I wonder,

00:13:18.620 that's just what I'm asking,

00:13:19.480 I guess,

00:13:20.060 do you,

00:13:20.740 like,

00:13:20.960 I wonder if that's something

00:13:21.940 that happens

00:13:22.620 when people get so much money

00:13:23.820 and power that

00:13:24.480 they're,

00:13:25.940 just their band

00:13:26.960 or their,

00:13:28.180 what they just wanted,

00:13:29.620 they've already had as much

00:13:30.840 of like regular,

00:13:32.560 I wonder if it starts

00:13:33.400 to build on itself.

00:13:34.260 Like what can I do next,

00:13:35.080 right?

00:13:35.220 What can I do to,

00:13:36.080 what can I get?

00:13:36.800 Yes.

00:13:37.160 Right,

00:13:37.440 what can I get?

00:13:37.960 What else is possible?

00:13:38.760 Yeah,

00:13:39.000 like not so much with sex,

00:13:40.780 right?

00:13:41.120 Because you're going to get

00:13:42.580 fucked over by somebody

00:13:43.680 at some point,

00:13:44.260 right?

00:13:44.520 Well,

00:13:44.680 can you imagine

00:13:45.420 having to keep all of the,

00:13:46.780 like trying to just,

00:13:48.280 even,

00:13:48.700 even if you ever like

00:13:49.760 send a,

00:13:50.360 like I've been in a,

00:13:51.380 I've cheated in relationships,

00:13:52.380 that's hard enough,

00:13:53.260 you know,

00:13:53.500 just knowing like.

00:13:54.660 What's next,

00:13:55.360 right?

00:13:55.660 Yeah.

00:13:55.940 Or just knowing like,

00:13:57.140 I have to make sure

00:13:58.060 we never go in this area

00:13:59.300 or what if this girl,

00:14:00.100 like that one thing alone,

00:14:01.640 I can't imagine

00:14:02.500 the level of like paranoia.

00:14:04.160 Yeah,

00:14:04.360 you just,

00:14:05.140 I mean,

00:14:06.140 is it worth it?

00:14:07.020 Yeah.

00:14:07.160 But I mean,

00:14:07.820 look,

00:14:08.320 I'm not going to say that,

00:14:10.240 forget,

00:14:10.600 not sex necessarily,

00:14:11.640 but just like going out

00:14:12.600 and trying new things,

00:14:13.480 right?

00:14:13.600 Like I bought a plane,

00:14:14.480 right?

00:14:15.080 I mean,

00:14:15.380 because it's like,

00:14:16.100 that to me was the coolest thing

00:14:17.580 after toilet seats,

00:14:18.540 right?

00:14:19.020 To like being able to just

00:14:20.600 pop on a plane,

00:14:21.780 right?

00:14:22.260 Oh,

00:14:22.520 that's a dream.

00:14:23.300 Oh,

00:14:23.440 when I sold my first company,

00:14:24.500 I bought a lifetime pass

00:14:25.440 on American Airlines.

00:14:26.400 So literally,

00:14:27.340 I was 29

00:14:28.260 and I was like,

00:14:30.360 I had this card

00:14:31.360 where I could just go to

00:14:32.240 any airport that had American Airlines

00:14:34.000 just show up,

00:14:35.180 me and somebody else

00:14:36.120 and wherever they were flying,

00:14:37.400 they had to put me on a plane.

00:14:38.420 Really?

00:14:38.900 It was insane.

00:14:39.780 Yeah.

00:14:40.040 So if that's like proclivities

00:14:41.500 to go try different stuff.

00:14:43.160 That's your version.

00:14:43.940 Yeah,

00:14:44.020 that's me,

00:14:44.500 right?

00:14:44.660 Yeah.

00:14:45.140 Because look,

00:14:45.900 I mean,

00:14:46.140 I'm the luckiest motherfucker

00:14:47.020 in the world

00:14:47.520 and I don't want to let it pass,

00:14:48.840 right?

00:14:49.540 You know,

00:14:49.860 I want to take advantage

00:14:51.420 of the time I got,

00:14:52.780 but more now,

00:14:53.640 it's more family,

00:14:54.400 right?

00:14:54.600 As I've gotten older,

00:14:55.600 my kids have gotten older.

00:14:57.060 It's more like,

00:14:57.700 my kids are 15,

00:14:58.440 18 and 21.

00:14:59.700 And so it's like,

00:15:00.640 let's spend more time with them

00:15:02.120 because that's the most

00:15:03.140 valuable thing to me.

00:15:04.300 But when I was younger,

00:15:05.280 before I got married,

00:15:06.340 it was like,

00:15:06.960 let's go,

00:15:07.540 go,

00:15:07.720 go,

00:15:07.940 go,

00:15:08.180 go,

00:15:08.520 go,

00:15:08.600 right?

00:15:08.980 Travel,

00:15:09.760 party.

00:15:10.500 Let's see who could throw

00:15:11.300 the biggest parties,

00:15:12.480 right?

00:15:12.700 Who can buy the biggest bottle

00:15:13.880 of champagne,

00:15:15.160 you know,

00:15:15.760 just rent a club,

00:15:17.160 who can run up the biggest bill,

00:15:18.600 right?

00:15:19.060 Yeah,

00:15:19.420 I was doing that shit.

00:15:20.880 Yeah.

00:15:21.740 Yeah,

00:15:22.200 but yeah,

00:15:22.980 I think that's what I think

00:15:24.400 some people like you get so,

00:15:26.040 like some people get so powerful

00:15:27.700 or like there's a lot of gay folks

00:15:30.600 out there.

00:15:31.020 I think that they're,

00:15:32.220 they only veer into that

00:15:33.800 or change,

00:15:34.580 get in a different sexual,

00:15:35.940 like things that are outside

00:15:37.980 of what would be normal

00:15:39.300 for them,

00:15:39.840 maybe that because they get

00:15:42.000 so much power,

00:15:42.860 you know,

00:15:43.320 like the Romans did it.

00:15:44.480 Like,

00:15:44.680 you know,

00:15:44.900 they say that they did it

00:15:45.920 or there's people like

00:15:46.720 financial gays,

00:15:47.980 power gays.

00:15:49.580 There's like,

00:15:50.460 I haven't heard that before.

00:15:51.720 Oh,

00:15:51.940 really?

00:15:52.280 No,

00:15:52.540 financial gays and power gays.

00:15:53.940 Oh yeah,

00:15:54.140 the people that get so rich,

00:15:55.260 they can afford to just be gay for fun.

00:15:56.520 Or like blind gays.

00:16:00.060 There's even,

00:16:02.220 there's,

00:16:03.420 bring that,

00:16:03.880 people that are blind,

00:16:05.440 they don't care as much

00:16:06.540 if some,

00:16:07.020 if gay or straight leaves their.

00:16:09.020 I had some one guy,

00:16:09.700 one guy walk up to me sometimes,

00:16:11.540 he goes,

00:16:11.720 I want to suck your dick.

00:16:12.620 This was years ago.

00:16:13.360 Yeah.

00:16:14.180 I go,

00:16:14.660 no.

00:16:15.040 He goes,

00:16:15.340 look,

00:16:15.500 let me just tell you something.

00:16:16.340 I'm like,

00:16:16.600 what?

00:16:16.820 He goes,

00:16:17.040 you close your eyes,

00:16:17.720 it all feels the same.

00:16:18.640 Oh,

00:16:18.960 yeah,

00:16:20.460 well,

00:16:21.420 let's,

00:16:21.920 practice with someone else.

00:16:23.620 This is an 80s thing,

00:16:24.760 right?

00:16:25.220 Yeah,

00:16:25.420 for sure.

00:16:25.800 Oh dude,

00:16:26.740 I'm not gay,

00:16:27.360 but I'll hold it in my mouth

00:16:28.580 till a gay guy gets there.

00:16:31.320 That's something that you would hear

00:16:32.480 sometimes at church.

00:16:34.940 But no,

00:16:35.700 but I,

00:16:36.240 I have friends that are blind

00:16:37.700 and they've told me

00:16:38.340 that they lose their sense of like,

00:16:40.440 some of their sense of straightness

00:16:41.740 dissolves.

00:16:42.220 No,

00:16:42.400 I can see that,

00:16:42.980 right?

00:16:43.160 It's not as important.

00:16:44.000 Yeah,

00:16:44.140 because you can't see one way or the other.

00:16:45.560 And so I think there's a level of,

00:16:46.860 which is kind of fascinating to me

00:16:48.260 that there's different things that,

00:16:50.360 there's people that are gay

00:16:51.480 and people that are bi

00:16:52.360 and people that that's their,

00:16:54.540 that's who they are.

00:16:55.700 But then there's some people that.

00:16:57.340 Well,

00:16:57.440 I got a question for you.

00:16:58.220 Yeah.

00:16:58.960 I listened to your President Trump interview.

00:17:00.980 Yeah.

00:17:01.300 Why don't you talk about this shit with him?

00:17:03.360 Well,

00:17:03.880 I don't think,

00:17:04.640 I think it was hard to talk about with him.

00:17:06.520 Well,

00:17:06.640 Bernie Sanders,

00:17:07.740 I could have,

00:17:08.680 yeah,

00:17:09.100 the Romans were gay,

00:17:10.640 right?

00:17:11.280 Oh,

00:17:11.540 sorry,

00:17:11.900 I don't know.

00:17:12.720 Well,

00:17:12.880 I was just,

00:17:13.580 because I probably should have asked him

00:17:15.620 if people get so powerful,

00:17:17.660 do they then?

00:17:18.480 Yeah.

00:17:18.760 Just because at that point,

00:17:19.860 anything's an option,

00:17:20.760 you know?

00:17:21.200 That's all I'm saying.

00:17:22.020 I think there's things that lead people like.

00:17:25.020 Like if you want to push limits,

00:17:26.340 right?

00:17:26.540 Right.

00:17:26.740 Pushing limits.

00:17:27.300 That's what I'm thinking.

00:17:27.460 If you think money can buy you anything.

00:17:29.380 Right.

00:17:29.660 Right.

00:17:29.860 And you want to push the limits and think,

00:17:31.380 okay,

00:17:31.500 I got money,

00:17:32.060 that gives me power so I can do whatever I want.

00:17:34.720 Right.

00:17:34.960 That's just going to backfire so hard.

00:17:36.860 Because if you're not like real,

00:17:39.400 the people that are,

00:17:40.820 you know,

00:17:41.540 you're messing with.

00:17:42.640 Right.

00:17:43.340 They ain't going to be real either.

00:17:44.260 And it's just going to be a disaster.

00:17:45.720 Yeah.

00:17:45.880 That's what I'm thinking about with the Diddy thing.

00:17:47.320 I think it's just like at a level of,

00:17:50.340 that you can have anything,

00:17:51.440 that you get this power.

00:17:53.120 It's just kind of,

00:17:54.000 I mean,

00:17:54.220 it's sad and it's scary to see,

00:17:55.720 you know?

00:17:56.120 I think that's some of the craziest thing.

00:17:57.700 you kind of wonder like,

00:17:58.600 when did it click?

00:17:59.620 When did it like fall over the cliff?

00:18:02.060 Right.

00:18:02.400 When it went from,

00:18:03.160 okay,

00:18:03.280 let's hang and have some fun.

00:18:04.660 Have a good party to when it started getting weird.

00:18:06.520 Yeah.

00:18:06.700 Like I'm taking videos of everybody and this and that.

00:18:09.900 Yeah.

00:18:10.180 Do you think there'll be other people that will come out about this?

00:18:12.180 Or do you think a lot of that's like myth,

00:18:13.660 like internet mythology?

00:18:14.960 I have no idea.

00:18:15.640 Yeah.

00:18:15.780 I really don't.

00:18:16.520 Yeah.

00:18:16.840 Yeah.

00:18:18.100 Yeah.

00:18:18.420 Sorry.

00:18:18.660 It's just like something that's been on kind of the topic of news.

00:18:20.980 Yeah,

00:18:21.140 for sure.

00:18:21.540 No,

00:18:21.700 it's an interesting subject,

00:18:22.660 right?

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.200 Yeah.

00:18:23.360 Cause you wonder like,

00:18:24.620 and I wonder,

00:18:25.180 cause I mean,

00:18:25.740 I've met the guy and I've seen him out.

00:18:27.220 I met him one time too.

00:18:28.380 But it's just like,

00:18:30.200 how does he get that far?

00:18:31.300 Yeah.

00:18:31.740 You know?

00:18:32.080 And,

00:18:32.160 and,

00:18:32.340 and that kind of stuff's addictive too,

00:18:34.460 though.

00:18:34.660 Once you do one crazy thing,

00:18:36.840 then that becomes.

00:18:37.740 Especially if you're trying to up yourself.

00:18:39.040 Right.

00:18:39.560 You know,

00:18:39.860 cause I mean,

00:18:40.640 you've gone out drinking,

00:18:41.340 and I've gone out drinking with buddies,

00:18:42.480 right?

00:18:42.920 Oh,

00:18:43.300 have another shot,

00:18:44.100 right?

00:18:44.240 Have another,

00:18:44.900 have another,

00:18:45.380 have another.

00:18:46.080 And that's what guys do.

00:18:47.260 Right.

00:18:47.620 But if it goes to the wrong direction,

00:18:50.000 it could backfire.

00:18:50.880 And like it has.

00:18:51.900 And the paranoia of having to keep every,

00:18:54.920 Oh,

00:18:55.160 that would be a nightmare,

00:18:55.900 man.

00:18:56.360 I'm a,

00:18:56.660 I feel lucky I'm not living that way.

00:18:58.260 Yeah.

00:18:58.420 But you know,

00:18:59.160 to me,

00:18:59.700 like the telltale sign is he fucking hurt people.

00:19:02.640 Right.

00:19:03.040 He hit women.

00:19:04.520 Right.

00:19:04.920 He dragged that one lady down the hall.

00:19:07.780 And that tells you he was fucked up somewhere.

00:19:10.020 Right.

00:19:10.700 I mean,

00:19:11.020 it's one thing to want to party.

00:19:12.700 Right.

00:19:13.100 It's another thing to like,

00:19:13.860 okay,

00:19:14.040 I'm throwing a big party.

00:19:15.020 Right.

00:19:15.700 But it's a whole nother thing to physically abuse people.

00:19:18.840 That's just like,

00:19:20.040 yeah,

00:19:20.300 that's just shit.

00:19:21.020 Yeah.

00:19:21.180 And it's like,

00:19:21.480 how do you not have your own awareness at that point?

00:19:23.460 But then I think things get,

00:19:25.100 you know,

00:19:25.280 when you get power and you get that much ability,

00:19:28.500 your own sense of self can probably get skewed pretty easy.

00:19:33.240 Yeah.

00:19:33.400 Something's fucked up,

00:19:34.220 obviously.

00:19:34.700 Yeah.

00:19:34.940 I mean,

00:19:35.300 what are some of the side effects of B that people don't see of being very

00:19:40.280 wealthy?

00:19:41.200 Like,

00:19:41.580 are there some negative things about it?

00:19:43.280 I mean,

00:19:43.460 sorry.

00:19:43.900 It's hard to even.

00:19:44.980 Yeah.

00:19:45.340 Nothing that I can tell.

00:19:46.440 Right.

00:19:47.260 You look so happy.

00:19:48.260 It's hard for me to even.

00:19:49.900 No,

00:19:50.320 I mean,

00:19:50.520 the side effects,

00:19:51.040 people sue you.

00:19:52.140 Okay.

00:19:52.500 Cause you're the deep pockets.

00:19:53.640 That's a good point,

00:19:54.260 man.

00:19:54.440 I'm friends with John Leotow,

00:19:56.520 Jimmy John.

00:19:57.180 He had the Jimmy John's sandwich company.

00:19:59.160 And he said he,

00:20:00.600 uh,

00:20:00.920 one of the reasons that I,

00:20:01.960 he sold the company was because he spent most of his time thinning off

00:20:05.240 lawsuits and he wasn't even able to be like,

00:20:07.740 yeah,

00:20:07.980 you,

00:20:08.240 I mean,

00:20:08.460 like I've been sued five times my whole life.

00:20:12.740 Right.

00:20:13.260 And four of them were because someone just trying to get money.

00:20:18.100 Wow.

00:20:19.780 That's it.

00:20:20.380 You know,

00:20:20.840 and they'll like name multiple people in the lawsuits and they'll let the

00:20:25.620 other people off the hook.

00:20:26.720 Right.

00:20:27.680 They won't let me off the hook cause I'm the deep pockets.

00:20:30.920 So that's kind of a bummer.

00:20:32.160 Then I bet you have to be a little bit more cautious about things then.

00:20:34.680 Yeah,

00:20:34.780 for sure.

00:20:35.380 So that's one thing.

00:20:36.160 So one thing people don't realize you probably have to be extremely cautious.

00:20:39.040 Yeah.

00:20:39.140 And then for your kids,

00:20:40.100 right?

00:20:40.820 Because it's not their life,

00:20:43.420 right?

00:20:43.700 There's just,

00:20:44.640 you know,

00:20:44.880 they,

00:20:45.120 they inherited us.

00:20:46.220 Right.

00:20:47.060 And I mean,

00:20:47.880 it's not necessarily bad,

00:20:49.140 but it's not necessarily easy either.

00:20:51.640 Right.

00:20:52.100 To,

00:20:52.680 you know,

00:20:52.880 have somebody who's,

00:20:53.940 you know,

00:20:54.280 well known as your,

00:20:55.160 your dad to every,

00:20:57.160 have everybody know you may not be rich yet,

00:20:59.560 but you're going to be right.

00:21:01.540 Right.

00:21:02.000 You know?

00:21:02.400 And so I know that puts a lot of pressure on my kids.

00:21:04.720 And so.

00:21:05.100 Yeah.

00:21:05.220 That's a bummer.

00:21:06.140 Yeah.

00:21:06.640 Yeah.

00:21:06.940 But at least you're able to communicate with them about that and have,

00:21:09.060 you know,

00:21:10.180 like I told all my kids,

00:21:11.500 it's like,

00:21:12.100 look,

00:21:12.480 you fuck up.

00:21:13.720 Your friends fuck up.

00:21:15.100 Your friends just fucked up and their parents get mad.

00:21:17.180 You fuck up.

00:21:17.960 It's on the front page of the paper.

00:21:19.120 Cause you're my kid.

00:21:20.120 Yeah.

00:21:20.320 So you've got to be a little bit extra careful.

00:21:22.600 Is it hard to be,

00:21:23.740 um,

00:21:24.480 us like,

00:21:25.520 you know,

00:21:25.800 you're a celebrity and,

00:21:26.940 you know,

00:21:27.120 and you may not think of yourself in that way,

00:21:28.620 or maybe you do,

00:21:29.140 I don't know,

00:21:29.540 but no matter what,

00:21:30.500 you're a recognizable person.

00:21:31.680 Yeah.

00:21:32.500 Um,

00:21:33.400 is,

00:21:33.720 was it ever weird with your kids where you felt like my kids are never going to feel

00:21:39.360 like I'm theirs because I'm so,

00:21:41.720 because I'm also in a way belong to other people.

00:21:44.580 Yeah.

00:21:44.760 All the time.

00:21:45.560 Man,

00:21:45.780 that's all the time.

00:21:46.640 Cause there's times like my son told me the other day,

00:21:48.760 I'm like,

00:21:49.120 okay,

00:21:49.380 I'll go out and get no dad.

00:21:50.960 When you're there,

00:21:51.900 everything changes.

00:21:53.320 I just wanted to be normal.

00:21:54.580 Yeah.

00:21:55.120 Right.

00:21:55.460 And it was breaks my heart.

00:21:56.540 Right.

00:21:56.840 Yeah.

00:21:57.040 I can imagine.

00:21:57.780 Yeah.

00:21:58.040 But I understand too.

00:21:59.460 Right.

00:21:59.680 I understand.

00:22:00.460 Right.

00:22:00.780 Um,

00:22:01.140 and it happens with all my kids,

00:22:02.520 you know,

00:22:03.240 where it's just like,

00:22:04.260 there's a time for dad to be there.

00:22:06.140 And there's a time we don't want dad there.

00:22:07.820 Not because we don't want dad there just because of the attention he's going to pull.

00:22:11.340 Yeah.

00:22:12.360 Yeah.

00:22:12.800 So that's another side effect of some things that people don't see.

00:22:15.940 Um,

00:22:16.760 yeah,

00:22:16.900 I'm just curious about it.

00:22:18.280 We were trying to get this therapist who works mostly with really wealthy people on to talk,

00:22:22.840 to learn more about that.

00:22:23.960 Because like when I was growing up,

00:22:25.780 I always looked at wealthy people like,

00:22:27.380 fuck them,

00:22:27.840 you know,

00:22:28.180 let's bomb them.

00:22:29.200 Let's bomb them.

00:22:30.460 Okay.

00:22:31.080 We didn't have any bombs.

00:22:32.160 We didn't have any bombs,

00:22:33.220 but you know,

00:22:33.940 we was.

00:22:34.100 Let's bomb them.

00:22:34.960 Okay.

00:22:36.580 Look,

00:22:37.020 we were in the,

00:22:37.620 we had to have a plan.

00:22:38.760 Okay.

00:22:38.920 We had no,

00:22:39.500 Oh my God.

00:22:40.160 We had no strategy,

00:22:41.260 but we just,

00:22:42.140 we,

00:22:42.840 we did.

00:22:43.340 We just keep playing video games,

00:22:44.860 but yeah.

00:22:45.400 But in the back of your mind,

00:22:46.280 you're playing GTA.

00:22:47.640 But we had like,

00:22:48.360 yeah,

00:22:48.580 but you,

00:22:49.220 you,

00:22:49.600 it almost gave you an enemy when,

00:22:51.400 when,

00:22:51.740 when you were growing up poor,

00:22:52.800 it gave you this,

00:22:53.520 like not an enemy,

00:22:54.860 but it gave you like a,

00:22:56.240 a,

00:22:56.720 it kind of was an enemy.

00:22:57.880 It's not like late.

00:22:58.120 Right.

00:22:58.340 It's not like my family had anything.

00:22:59.760 Right.

00:23:00.000 My dad did upholstery on cars.

00:23:01.660 Neither one went to college,

00:23:02.640 et cetera.

00:23:03.080 But,

00:23:03.360 um,

00:23:03.920 no,

00:23:04.140 I remember vividly,

00:23:05.780 like not knowing how I was going to be able to pay for school.

00:23:08.180 Cause I had to pay for my own school and listening on the radio.

00:23:12.340 It sounds so crazy.

00:23:13.680 Listen on the radio about how these prisoners were going to get,

00:23:16.380 um,

00:23:17.020 all the college education they needed.

00:23:18.560 Right.

00:23:18.960 And I called into the radio station.

00:23:20.820 I'm like,

00:23:21.400 I'm 16.

00:23:22.580 I don't have any idea how I'm going to pay for college.

00:23:24.440 And they're paying for prisoners.

00:23:25.680 That's just wrong.

00:23:27.620 Yeah.

00:23:27.940 You're like,

00:23:28.360 so now I got to commit a crime.

00:23:30.080 Yeah.

00:23:30.400 Right.

00:23:30.740 To go.

00:23:31.080 Yeah.

00:23:31.240 Put me in jail.

00:23:31.940 Right.

00:23:32.620 That's all another conversation.

00:23:34.800 Um,

00:23:35.420 what is something that you admire about each one of your children?

00:23:38.500 Oh,

00:23:38.760 there's so much.

00:23:39.640 There's so much.

00:23:40.420 Yeah.

00:23:40.500 They're different too.

00:23:41.280 Right.

00:23:41.820 But as they've gotten older and,

00:23:43.860 you know,

00:23:44.900 becoming real people now and teenagers,

00:23:47.880 they're,

00:23:48.300 they're smart.

00:23:49.640 Um,

00:23:49.920 they're caring.

00:23:51.000 They're funny.

00:23:52.740 Um,

00:23:54.040 they're ambitious in their own way to,

00:23:55.960 for different things.

00:23:57.840 You know,

00:23:58.420 the hard part about raising three teenagers is that they do all they can to

00:24:01.640 ignore us,

00:24:02.360 you know?

00:24:02.980 Oh,

00:24:03.180 it's a good point,

00:24:03.960 huh?

00:24:04.200 Yeah.

00:24:04.460 Just like,

00:24:04.900 I mean,

00:24:05.100 our family is no different than,

00:24:06.140 you know,

00:24:06.360 any other parents raising three teenagers basically.

00:24:08.580 Right.

00:24:09.000 Because those kids want to have their own identity.

00:24:11.140 They want to become themselves and find out who they are.

00:24:13.680 And,

00:24:14.160 you know,

00:24:14.580 we're trying not to be those hover parents,

00:24:16.320 right.

00:24:16.580 That are just like,

00:24:17.480 and give them some freedom.

00:24:18.340 I'm like,

00:24:20.900 I'm like,

00:24:22.540 I'll go out.

00:24:23.500 No,

00:24:23.720 your curfew is this,

00:24:25.100 you know,

00:24:25.380 told him what time he goes,

00:24:26.720 he texts me back.

00:24:27.520 Let me breathe,

00:24:28.380 dad.

00:24:28.680 Let me breathe.

00:24:29.340 I'm dying,

00:24:35.240 right?

00:24:36.100 Oh my God.

00:24:38.840 Like he's George Floyd or something.

00:24:41.280 You know,

00:24:41.660 no,

00:24:41.800 not that bad.

00:24:42.400 Right.

00:24:42.540 But just like,

00:24:43.000 yeah,

00:24:43.220 but yeah,

00:24:43.560 kids talk,

00:24:44.120 right.

00:24:44.280 Right.

00:24:44.540 Right.

00:24:44.640 Oh yeah.

00:24:44.940 Let me breathe that.

00:24:45.920 Yeah.

00:24:46.720 Cause I always give them talk.

00:24:47.740 You'd give them shit about like gen alpha,

00:24:49.740 like,

00:24:50.220 um,

00:24:51.060 um,

00:24:52.200 talking vernacular,

00:24:53.340 right.

00:24:53.460 Oh yeah.

00:24:53.860 Slide twin.

00:24:55.100 Like you don't even know what's going on.

00:24:57.040 Sigma.

00:24:58.360 Right.

00:24:59.000 Sauce mid.

00:24:59.940 Yeah.

00:25:00.200 They all,

00:25:00.560 they sound like,

00:25:01.180 uh,

00:25:01.560 like Peyton Manning trying to make like audibles at the line.

00:25:04.740 Right,

00:25:04.800 right,

00:25:04.920 right,

00:25:05.100 right.

00:25:05.340 Omaha,

00:25:05.780 Omaha,

00:25:06.260 right.

00:25:08.040 Sigma.

00:25:08.480 It really is funny.

00:25:09.320 I'll text my nephew and I don't even know what he's saying at the time.

00:25:11.780 Oh,

00:25:11.940 it's funny as hell,

00:25:12.820 man.

00:25:13.060 And I'll start talking,

00:25:14.180 trying to talk that way just to fuck with them.

00:25:15.980 Right.

00:25:16.340 And he's like,

00:25:16.840 shut up,

00:25:17.480 dad.

00:25:17.960 Or he just hangs up on me.

00:25:19.260 You try to lean into that.

00:25:20.680 Um,

00:25:21.320 is there anything that you had before you,

00:25:23.680 um,

00:25:24.660 were wealthy that you wish you could have back?

00:25:26.960 Privacy.

00:25:27.740 Yeah.

00:25:28.260 Yeah,

00:25:29.000 for sure.

00:25:30.000 I got none.

00:25:31.100 Yeah.

00:25:31.500 I mean,

00:25:31.700 you know now too,

00:25:32.440 right?

00:25:32.960 Yeah.

00:25:33.320 There's times like yesterday I was driving somewhere and I wanted to get out and walk.

00:25:36.600 It's like a cool street in town.

00:25:37.880 And I was like,

00:25:39.300 man,

00:25:39.520 I know if I get out and walk,

00:25:40.580 it'd be fine.

00:25:41.080 But I just know that I will meet a bunch of people.

00:25:42.960 And then it's like,

00:25:43.840 um,

00:25:44.240 it'll start to make me nervous or uncomfortable a little.

00:25:46.680 Cause you don't know where it goes.

00:25:47.620 Yeah.

00:25:47.980 Yeah.

00:25:48.260 Or you just like buy.

00:25:49.180 So I think,

00:25:49.800 yeah,

00:25:49.940 sometimes stuff like that isn't a,

00:25:51.440 I guess that's the biggest thing.

00:25:52.740 Yeah.

00:25:52.960 Cause like I was walking in Nashville yesterday.

00:25:54.920 Isn't that song?

00:25:55.660 Right.

00:25:56.180 Um,

00:25:56.580 and in Memphis,

00:25:57.860 Memphis.

00:25:58.440 Thank God.

00:25:59.160 It's yeah.

00:25:59.660 Yeah.

00:26:00.160 Nashville's better.

00:26:01.100 I think so too.

00:26:01.800 This is good,

00:26:02.620 but it's,

00:26:02.880 it's all right.

00:26:03.340 Nashville's better,

00:26:03.820 but I was just walking down the street and I'm here and it was dark.

00:26:07.000 Right.

00:26:07.400 And I'm Cuban,

00:26:08.520 Cuban.

00:26:08.920 I just keep on walking.

00:26:09.920 Right.

00:26:10.560 It's just like no privacy whatsoever.

00:26:12.480 Yeah.

00:26:13.360 But you know,

00:26:14.020 it could be worse.

00:26:15.360 Yeah.

00:26:15.680 That's a good point.

00:26:16.360 Yeah.

00:26:16.520 No,

00:26:16.780 there's the,

00:26:17.500 yeah.

00:26:17.580 I'm not complaining.

00:26:18.420 I'm just curious if they're like,

00:26:20.200 what,

00:26:20.520 like what's one of the biggest things.

00:26:22.420 Um,

00:26:23.080 let me think about where we're at right now.

00:26:24.520 So we've talked about some,

00:26:26.560 how you got started.

00:26:27.860 Let's have fun.

00:26:28.440 This is not like any other interview I've done.

00:26:30.080 So I'm loving it.

00:26:30.780 No,

00:26:31.160 man.

00:26:31.300 Cause you're like all over shit.

00:26:32.380 I did whatever's,

00:26:33.640 you know,

00:26:33.940 stream of consciousness,

00:26:34.980 which is cool.

00:26:35.740 Right.

00:26:36.220 Yeah.

00:26:36.580 Yeah.

00:26:36.760 And this is a conversation too.

00:26:37.760 And I think I like that about you.

00:26:38.800 You make this feel like a conversation.

00:26:40.140 Yeah.

00:26:40.500 Yeah.

00:26:40.860 Why not?

00:26:41.200 Yeah.

00:26:41.340 No.

00:26:41.660 Um,

00:26:41.940 how do you know like a good business idea when you hear it now?

00:26:44.840 And has that refined over the years from what you used to think might've been a good

00:26:48.340 business?

00:26:48.760 I mean like when you're just getting started,

00:26:50.880 sometimes what you don't know is good,

00:26:53.000 right?

00:26:53.620 Cause it doesn't hold you back.

00:26:54.920 So now,

00:26:55.660 cause I've been doing,

00:26:56.300 I've started so many businesses,

00:26:57.540 invested in so many,

00:26:58.540 like I know what not to do,

00:27:00.340 but that sometimes keeps me from investing in people who probably have the biggest upside.

00:27:04.680 Right.

00:27:05.240 Because,

00:27:05.720 you know,

00:27:06.280 when I was getting started,

00:27:07.340 I didn't know fuck.

00:27:07.920 Right.

00:27:08.080 So it was just like,

00:27:08.980 you just got to run through walls type attitude.

00:27:11.500 Right.

00:27:12.180 Um,

00:27:12.500 founder mode.

00:27:13.080 And now like investing,

00:27:15.680 I kind of look for that,

00:27:17.060 but I'm,

00:27:17.580 I'm more,

00:27:18.160 um,

00:27:19.840 conservative.

00:27:20.660 Yeah.

00:27:20.820 And how I invest.

00:27:21.660 Right.

00:27:22.480 Because,

00:27:23.460 you know,

00:27:24.440 my next dollar isn't going to change my life.

00:27:26.140 And so it's more like,

00:27:27.320 okay,

00:27:27.960 just competition.

00:27:28.860 Can I get it right?

00:27:29.840 Or can I help these people?

00:27:30.920 Or can I help them grow this company?

00:27:32.240 Like Shark Tank,

00:27:32.740 right?

00:27:33.060 It's just like,

00:27:33.660 not all those companies are going to be big,

00:27:35.060 but if I can help them turn,

00:27:37.400 you know,

00:27:37.600 reach their personal goals,

00:27:38.880 that's a win.

00:27:39.720 Yeah.

00:27:41.040 Yeah.

00:27:41.360 When it comes to Shark Tank,

00:27:42.500 are you going to miss doing it?

00:27:43.980 Yeah.

00:27:44.180 I'll miss it some.

00:27:45.060 Right.

00:27:45.340 But again,

00:27:46.320 it goes back to my kids.

00:27:47.100 Like we shoot two weeks in June,

00:27:48.880 two weeks in September,

00:27:49.720 just finished.

00:27:50.240 Right.

00:27:50.460 My last run.

00:27:51.740 And,

00:27:52.180 um,

00:27:52.500 that's right when my kids are getting out of school.

00:27:54.260 Right.

00:27:54.600 And right when they're going back to school and their birthdays.

00:27:57.060 Right.

00:27:57.320 Yeah.

00:27:57.560 It's like,

00:27:57.880 I missed my son's birthday for like the last five years.

00:28:00.120 And like,

00:28:00.580 that's not cool.

00:28:01.260 Yeah.

00:28:01.600 You know?

00:28:01.940 And so now,

00:28:02.960 you know,

00:28:03.340 and plus now like as teenagers,

00:28:05.460 um,

00:28:05.940 they set the schedule.

00:28:07.040 We don't.

00:28:07.460 Right.

00:28:07.780 Used to be my wife and I'd be like,

00:28:09.160 okay,

00:28:09.300 we're going here,

00:28:09.940 here,

00:28:10.120 here when dad's done with Shark Tank.

00:28:11.460 Now they're like,

00:28:12.340 no,

00:28:12.800 like my daughter,

00:28:13.600 you know,

00:28:13.960 is a rower.

00:28:14.900 She's going to rowing camp.

00:28:16.020 Right.

00:28:16.280 My oldest daughter's going,

00:28:17.640 you know,

00:28:17.920 on an internship.

00:28:18.740 Right.

00:28:19.200 My youngest son is going to basketball camp.

00:28:21.280 Right.

00:28:21.580 And so like,

00:28:22.500 they're setting the schedule and I want to be,

00:28:24.160 I have to be available.

00:28:25.220 I can't make them be available.

00:28:26.860 Oh,

00:28:27.140 that's a good point,

00:28:27.880 huh?

00:28:28.320 Yeah.

00:28:28.500 Because when you're,

00:28:29.360 they're a little younger,

00:28:30.020 you kind of get to set the stage.

00:28:31.160 You control everything.

00:28:32.080 Right.

00:28:32.540 There's just little plebs.

00:28:38.280 How would you rank rate the sharks out there?

00:28:40.800 Put the sharks in order.

00:28:41.880 Oh,

00:28:42.020 you put me in a bad spot,

00:28:43.440 huh?

00:28:43.820 They're all tied for last.

00:28:45.200 Right.

00:28:45.420 They're all tied for last.

00:28:47.040 No,

00:28:47.240 it's fun.

00:28:47.660 Right.

00:28:48.260 I mean,

00:28:48.700 all of them have their own thing.

00:28:50.240 Like Barbara's probably my favorite simply because she can tell who,

00:28:54.280 what a person's about.

00:28:55.320 Like she'll just say to somebody,

00:28:56.720 you're lying.

00:28:57.200 Right.

00:28:57.480 Or you're dishonest.

00:28:58.240 I don't trust you.

00:28:58.800 And she'll be right.

00:28:59.680 You know,

00:29:00.060 and she doesn't,

00:29:01.420 can't do math.

00:29:02.280 Like Mark,

00:29:02.960 what's eight times eight.

00:29:03.900 And I'll have to tell her.

00:29:04.720 Right.

00:29:04.960 But she has great people skills.

00:29:06.880 You know,

00:29:07.500 Kevin's Kevin.

00:29:08.420 He's kind of the bad guy of the group.

00:29:10.640 Robert,

00:29:11.140 you know,

00:29:11.520 is into pets and kids and stuff like that.

00:29:14.440 Lori is into consumer products group.

00:29:16.900 Damon is the people shark.

00:29:18.700 Right.

00:29:19.040 He's trying to help,

00:29:20.060 you know,

00:29:20.500 smaller businesses grow.

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00:29:24.080 Right.

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00:32:23.760 When it comes to business,

00:32:24.920 how do you know?

00:32:27.540 Yeah,

00:32:27.920 I wonder if I,

00:32:28.520 I'm trying to think if I would have had an idea on Shark Tank,

00:32:30.560 what I would have taken in there.

00:32:31.820 Well,

00:32:31.940 what made you decide to get into the podcasting role?

00:32:34.740 I went on Joe,

00:32:35.420 well,

00:32:35.960 I had done some podcasting,

00:32:38.000 and one day I went on Joe Rogan's show,

00:32:40.560 and on his,

00:32:42.040 we just talked more as a long talk.

00:32:44.640 And I was like,

00:32:46.160 oh,

00:32:46.940 maybe I could just do it by myself.

00:32:49.220 And so then I think I always wanted to have my own voice.

00:32:52.000 And so then I just started in my kitchen and I say that a lot,

00:32:55.440 but I literally took my kitchen to my dinner table and just made it where the studio was.

00:32:59.840 And that became the studio.

00:33:01.440 So then I have to eat in the living room and stuff,

00:33:03.180 but it was still like,

00:33:04.200 that's cool.

00:33:04.620 Yeah,

00:33:04.740 it was cool.

00:33:05.340 And then,

00:33:06.500 yeah,

00:33:07.000 I think having my own voice,

00:33:08.480 like I always felt like I didn't have a voice,

00:33:11.120 I think when I was a kid.

00:33:12.160 And so,

00:33:13.120 well,

00:33:13.260 what,

00:33:13.460 so,

00:33:13.720 but then there's a business to it,

00:33:14.860 right?

00:33:15.040 So,

00:33:15.380 Oh,

00:33:15.500 well,

00:33:15.600 then the business,

00:33:16.360 how did you deal with it?

00:33:17.080 Yeah.

00:33:17.160 How'd you deal with the business side?

00:33:18.380 Right?

00:33:18.600 Well,

00:33:19.100 one,

00:33:19.400 one day,

00:33:19.860 a guy who sold pizzas in Santa Monica,

00:33:23.820 my friend,

00:33:24.240 Thomas,

00:33:24.780 he,

00:33:25.340 he said,

00:33:27.960 he,

00:33:28.360 he emailed me.

00:33:29.260 I didn't,

00:33:29.460 he wasn't a friend at the time.

00:33:30.380 He emailed me and he said,

00:33:30.980 Hey man,

00:33:31.180 I want to start just a cold email.

00:33:33.020 Yeah.

00:33:33.300 I want to,

00:33:33.760 that's cool.

00:33:34.080 I want to give you like $500 a month for advertisement and you need to get a studio.

00:33:40.480 And I was like,

00:33:41.200 well,

00:33:41.300 I want to keep that 500 bucks.

00:33:42.620 I don't want a studio.

00:33:44.200 That's cool.

00:33:44.620 Yeah.

00:33:45.180 But then he's like,

00:33:46.080 no,

00:33:46.280 you don't see it.

00:33:46.980 He said,

00:33:47.360 if you can do this next step and use that 500 bucks to get your studio,

00:33:52.640 then you're,

00:33:53.880 it's going to do better.

00:33:55.100 And that was something that's really been a blessing.

00:33:57.300 Cause I don't,

00:33:58.560 my mindset was just different.

00:34:00.100 You know,

00:34:00.340 I had a more of a scarcity mindset.

00:34:02.020 Right.

00:34:02.220 Right.

00:34:02.420 Cause you needed the $500,

00:34:03.780 right.

00:34:04.100 As opposed to grow the business,

00:34:05.360 I'd rather have it in my bank account.

00:34:06.520 Yeah.

00:34:06.760 Then use it as an investment.

00:34:07.960 Yes.

00:34:08.260 And use it as an investment.

00:34:09.120 And then once we did the first studio and then that kind of evolved from there.

00:34:13.360 Um,

00:34:14.620 and you just kept on growing it on your own or did you bring in people to do the sales or?

00:34:18.800 Yeah.

00:34:18.960 We,

00:34:19.140 we had an advertising company that,

00:34:21.240 that stole from us for two years.

00:34:23.680 That was horrible.

00:34:24.780 Yeah.

00:34:25.160 We lost like,

00:34:26.180 um,

00:34:27.280 I mean,

00:34:27.560 we probably had over two years.

00:34:29.380 I don't even know.

00:34:30.140 It was at least 400 grand that got taken.

00:34:33.760 It was a,

00:34:34.340 but you learn a fucking lesson that way.

00:34:35.700 Don't you?

00:34:36.260 Yeah.

00:34:36.740 I learned.

00:34:37.280 So,

00:34:37.460 you know,

00:34:37.640 we're similar,

00:34:38.200 right?

00:34:38.400 So here,

00:34:38.820 how did the dude,

00:34:39.800 um,

00:34:40.020 pizza dude get your email?

00:34:41.360 Oh,

00:34:41.600 I'm not sure.

00:34:42.160 Oh,

00:34:42.300 we,

00:34:42.460 cause we would put it,

00:34:43.240 we would put a contact number in case somebody wanted to reach out about something from the

00:34:46.460 show.

00:34:46.940 Oh,

00:34:47.120 you did?

00:34:47.560 Because like I've done a bunch of deals from people just cold emailing me.

00:34:50.480 Yeah.

00:34:50.780 Like I did,

00:34:51.360 I gave this company,

00:34:52.360 this dude's out of,

00:34:53.020 um,

00:34:53.200 Dallas,

00:34:53.740 um,

00:34:54.200 Tim Ellis and his buddies.

00:34:55.260 Um,

00:34:55.800 they said they wanted to start a space company.

00:34:57.120 I'm like,

00:34:57.460 I don't know shit about space,

00:34:58.420 but I'll get you started and see what happens.

00:35:00.180 Right now it's called relativity space.

00:35:02.040 I still never met him.

00:35:02.860 Right.

00:35:03.020 It was all email.

00:35:04.040 Never met him.

00:35:04.760 Now I've invested a few million.

00:35:06.100 They're worth $4 billion.

00:35:07.560 No way.

00:35:08.280 Yeah.

00:35:08.660 Relativity space.

00:35:09.700 And they're space.

00:35:10.220 Yeah.

00:35:10.420 These guys.

00:35:10.880 Yeah.

00:35:11.120 That's Tim.

00:35:11.640 Right.

00:35:11.820 I'm an ex blue origin intern.

00:35:13.000 Got a $500 check from our Cuban to build a major space X rival.

00:35:15.960 Wow.

00:35:16.420 Yeah.

00:35:17.180 We're coming for you.

00:35:17.920 Elon.

00:35:18.460 Yeah.

00:35:18.700 I know.

00:35:19.440 So what their deal is they build the,

00:35:21.020 um,

00:35:21.300 rockets out of three using 3d printers.

00:35:23.400 So you just,

00:35:24.140 no way.

00:35:25.180 Yeah.

00:35:25.300 It's really cool.

00:35:25.820 Right.

00:35:26.100 And they've to their credit.

00:35:27.360 Right.

00:35:27.740 It's not like I helped them get there.

00:35:29.240 Right.

00:35:29.560 Guys were just insanely smart and good.

00:35:32.000 Right.

00:35:33.740 But like helping them have some capital.

00:35:35.780 Yeah.

00:35:35.880 I just got them started.

00:35:36.620 Right.

00:35:36.780 Like,

00:35:37.040 like Tim,

00:35:37.660 the pizza guy did for you.

00:35:38.680 Right.

00:35:38.860 Or Tom,

00:35:39.160 the pizza guy.

00:35:39.680 Right.

00:35:39.720 Yeah.

00:35:39.840 Thomas.

00:35:40.320 Yeah.

00:35:40.720 And so like sometimes just making yourself available opens a lot of doors.

00:35:46.020 Yeah.

00:35:46.380 Right.

00:35:46.800 And it's helped me a ton.

00:35:48.560 Yeah.

00:35:49.320 Who are your mentors?

00:35:50.640 And then how do you differentiate between listening to mentors and trusting your instincts?

00:35:56.940 Kind of.

00:35:57.500 I never had a mentor.

00:35:58.580 Really?

00:35:59.020 Not a mentor guy at all.

00:36:00.140 I always wanted to try to figure out myself.

00:36:01.800 I've always been like super curious.

00:36:03.260 Like just somebody who loves to learn.

00:36:05.040 Yeah.

00:36:05.360 And so,

00:36:05.780 I mean,

00:36:06.680 you know,

00:36:06.920 when I was getting into computers,

00:36:08.220 I was reading the stupid computer manuals.

00:36:10.720 Right.

00:36:11.260 Software manuals,

00:36:12.100 hardware.

00:36:12.460 I would sit there and read that shit.

00:36:13.600 Right.

00:36:13.920 And then I would try it and try it and learn and learn and learn.

00:36:16.360 Yeah.

00:36:16.580 And then once you get started,

00:36:17.500 you realize whether it's business,

00:36:18.820 software,

00:36:19.220 whatever.

00:36:19.940 Once you get that base,

00:36:21.420 just it's like learning the podcasting business.

00:36:23.180 Right.

00:36:23.440 Once you get that base of the basics you're supposed to do,

00:36:25.880 coming up with new shit,

00:36:26.660 isn't that hard.

00:36:27.360 Right.

00:36:27.600 It's just about your creativity.

00:36:29.080 Yeah.

00:36:29.280 And so I was always just,

00:36:30.820 I'm going to learn it myself,

00:36:32.100 learn it myself.

00:36:33.140 Never had a mentor.

00:36:34.160 And then people are like,

00:36:34.760 will you be my mentor?

00:36:36.320 I'm like,

00:36:36.960 I'm still going.

00:36:37.740 Right.

00:36:37.880 I don't have time to be someone else.

00:36:39.420 Maybe that's not fair,

00:36:40.540 but,

00:36:40.780 um,

00:36:41.420 no,

00:36:41.880 but not if you're still going,

00:36:43.560 you know,

00:36:44.060 I mean,

00:36:44.300 right now you're mentoring your family.

00:36:45.660 You've already said that you choosing to take that extra time.

00:36:47.940 That's more important.

00:36:48.880 It is.

00:36:49.300 Especially now.

00:36:50.100 If I can get them to listen.

00:36:51.620 Yeah.

00:36:52.720 It's crazy,

00:36:53.600 dude,

00:36:53.760 how your own kids won't mark you in the kitchen.

00:36:56.840 It's insane.

00:36:58.060 And then they're like,

00:36:58.740 let me breathe.

00:37:01.040 I'd be like,

00:37:01.600 you want me to help you with this business idea or,

00:37:03.400 you know,

00:37:03.800 your project at school?

00:37:05.220 No,

00:37:05.880 no.

00:37:08.120 My,

00:37:08.600 my,

00:37:08.980 one of my dad,

00:37:09.560 I'm not going to say which one just like rips on me too.

00:37:12.140 You don't know anything about business,

00:37:13.920 dad.

00:37:15.260 I'm like,

00:37:15.860 okay.

00:37:16.480 It's crazy that no matter who you are,

00:37:18.220 you're still just dad.

00:37:19.260 You're just dad.

00:37:19.860 Which,

00:37:20.440 you know,

00:37:20.720 the best word in the entire English language,

00:37:23.220 dad.

00:37:23.560 Yeah.

00:37:23.940 Right.

00:37:24.160 When your kids just say,

00:37:25.000 Hey dad,

00:37:25.720 that like makes me melt.

00:37:26.880 Does it really?

00:37:27.380 Oh my God.

00:37:28.040 It's the best thing ever,

00:37:29.480 ever,

00:37:29.940 ever,

00:37:30.300 ever.

00:37:30.600 The best,

00:37:31.260 one of the best parts about having kids,

00:37:32.900 right?

00:37:33.080 Just through yours.

00:37:34.360 Right.

00:37:34.980 Yeah.

00:37:35.600 Was your,

00:37:36.240 you and your dad had a pretty good relationship.

00:37:38.360 Yeah.

00:37:38.500 Yeah,

00:37:38.680 we did.

00:37:39.200 Yeah.

00:37:39.480 I mean,

00:37:40.240 you know,

00:37:40.460 it was funny because my dad was like,

00:37:42.520 I don't know what the fuck you're doing,

00:37:43.920 but keep on doing it.

00:37:45.280 And I remember the time I,

00:37:46.960 um,

00:37:48.220 told him that I had a hundred thousand dollars,

00:37:49.860 in the bank and he never made more than 40 grand in his life.

00:37:52.740 And he just started crying.

00:37:54.320 Wow.

00:37:54.760 And just taking him places and then tell him,

00:37:57.500 him and my mom,

00:37:58.140 they can just go wherever they want,

00:37:59.520 whenever they want and do whatever.

00:38:01.160 Cool.

00:38:01.620 Huh?

00:38:01.840 Yeah.

00:38:02.260 I mean,

00:38:03.620 yeah.

00:38:04.200 Made you feel good.

00:38:05.060 Oh yeah.

00:38:05.380 Fuck.

00:38:05.560 Yeah.

00:38:05.800 Right.

00:38:06.000 I mean,

00:38:06.500 all they did with my dad up six o'clock every morning at work at 7am,

00:38:11.000 come home at six.

00:38:12.040 Oh fuck.

00:38:12.620 Yeah.

00:38:12.720 Lost an eye in an accident.

00:38:14.240 So like if you had a one eyed worker,

00:38:16.160 one eyed worker,

00:38:16.980 right?

00:38:17.260 So already behind the eight,

00:38:19.860 ball,

00:38:20.080 right?

00:38:20.380 Yeah.

00:38:20.840 Like you do upholstery and cars.

00:38:22.820 Behind the eyeball.

00:38:23.500 Right.

00:38:23.740 Yeah.

00:38:24.080 Oh,

00:38:24.280 it was so gross.

00:38:24.840 Right.

00:38:25.200 So he was like,

00:38:25.860 when the first time.

00:38:26.380 Dude,

00:38:26.400 my dad lost a finger,

00:38:27.600 dude.

00:38:27.840 Did he really?

00:38:28.300 Yeah.

00:38:28.440 I just remember that.

00:38:29.520 You just remember that.

00:38:31.820 Yeah.

00:38:32.100 Dude,

00:38:32.420 it made us scared.

00:38:33.880 Oh my God.

00:38:34.320 Yeah.

00:38:34.460 That's my dad.

00:38:35.420 And is this when he had both eyes or one eye?

00:38:37.360 Well,

00:38:37.540 no,

00:38:37.740 he had one eye,

00:38:38.520 right?

00:38:38.680 This is when he had one eye.

00:38:39.860 He lost it when I was like 11 and you can see they're not quite the same.

00:38:43.000 Right.

00:38:43.620 And so he had a glass eye and he used to freak out my friends.

00:38:46.880 He'd take out the glass eye and it would be like,

00:38:48.800 literally look like apricot jelly behind there.

00:38:50.800 It was so disgusting.

00:38:51.900 That's wicked,

00:38:53.020 bro.

00:38:54.040 Dude,

00:38:54.440 that's so cool.

00:38:55.980 Yeah.

00:38:56.160 My dad.

00:38:56.960 Yeah.

00:38:57.140 I don't know what he was missing a thing.

00:38:58.520 Oh,

00:38:58.800 so,

00:38:59.000 Oh,

00:38:59.120 somebody slammed the door on it.

00:39:00.320 I guess when he was a child.

00:39:01.460 Oh,

00:39:01.700 that's funny.

00:39:02.080 So how'd your dad lose it?

00:39:03.740 Any way cool?

00:39:04.980 No,

00:39:05.220 it wasn't cool at all.

00:39:06.000 He,

00:39:06.280 um,

00:39:06.600 they did upholstery on car seats and cars and he was putting a staple gun,

00:39:10.680 right?

00:39:10.800 Where you staple down the upholstery and the staple broke and he didn't have

00:39:13.660 glasses on,

00:39:14.200 hit him in the eye.

00:39:15.220 Yeah.

00:39:15.340 It was not.

00:39:16.140 Wow.

00:39:16.580 Yeah.

00:39:17.420 Yeah.

00:39:17.660 And it was tough.

00:39:19.060 Um,

00:39:20.100 yeah,

00:39:20.340 but he was,

00:39:20.760 he's a fighter.

00:39:21.620 That's wild.

00:39:22.460 Is your father still alive?

00:39:23.540 No,

00:39:23.700 both my parents died a few years ago.

00:39:25.340 Oh,

00:39:25.540 I'm sorry.

00:39:26.760 Was it,

00:39:27.640 um,

00:39:28.040 was it tough to have so much control and like,

00:39:30.660 you know,

00:39:30.860 you have ability to affect a lot of things.

00:39:32.580 Was that a tough thing to manage?

00:39:33.860 Like when your parents passed away?

00:39:35.260 Yeah,

00:39:35.300 for sure.

00:39:35.620 I'm sure it is for anybody.

00:39:36.740 Yeah.

00:39:36.900 I mean,

00:39:37.740 my dad was 92 and my mom was 85.

00:39:40.420 So I had good runs,

00:39:41.320 right?

00:39:42.080 But,

00:39:42.580 um,

00:39:43.660 yeah,

00:39:43.840 it's still tough.

00:39:44.640 Right.

00:39:44.880 And,

00:39:45.200 you know,

00:39:45.620 you expect it.

00:39:46.220 Cause my dad had struggled for a while.

00:39:48.600 My mom got cancer.

00:39:50.140 Um,

00:39:50.720 and my mom's so insane.

00:39:53.040 Right.

00:39:53.440 I'm like,

00:39:53.860 we'll get you treatment.

00:39:54.740 Right.

00:39:55.020 We'll do this.

00:39:55.680 We'll do that.

00:39:56.320 Right.

00:39:56.860 She goes,

00:39:57.140 I just want some pot gummies.

00:39:59.420 That's all she wanted.

00:40:00.780 She goes,

00:40:01.160 you know,

00:40:01.620 just give me the gummies.

00:40:02.600 All I care about is the gummies.

00:40:04.120 And my brother,

00:40:04.800 Jeff would have to go find gummies in Pittsburgh.

00:40:06.440 Right.

00:40:06.840 It was hysterical.

00:40:08.220 Oh,

00:40:08.680 come on,

00:40:09.040 mom.

00:40:09.280 We can help you.

00:40:10.000 I don't care.

00:40:10.640 Oh,

00:40:11.200 you can find some of her in Sidney park.

00:40:12.860 Right.

00:40:13.160 Sidney park.

00:40:13.800 How do you know Pittsburgh?

00:40:14.940 Oh,

00:40:15.240 dude,

00:40:15.380 I got pink eye over there.

00:40:16.600 The first time I ever had pink eye,

00:40:18.180 I got it in Pittsburgh.

00:40:19.860 Um,

00:40:20.160 pink eye a lot.

00:40:21.440 No,

00:40:21.800 only had it probably three times.

00:40:23.140 That's a lot though.

00:40:24.200 But somebody goes,

00:40:25.320 somebody in Pittsburgh said,

00:40:26.880 I'll never forget this.

00:40:28.960 Oh,

00:40:29.200 you got some downtime and you're up.

00:40:31.300 Dime time,

00:40:31.680 right?

00:40:31.900 Yeah.

00:40:32.220 You go downtown and you're out to side side.

00:40:34.100 They said,

00:40:34.460 you got some downtime and you're up time.

00:40:36.220 And I was like,

00:40:36.740 that's pink eye,

00:40:37.980 dude.

00:40:38.060 Yeah.

00:40:38.540 Pittsburgh accents are the worst.

00:40:40.320 Oh,

00:40:40.620 the worst and the best.

00:40:41.960 You see like some lady,

00:40:43.600 like just wearing a fricking Jerry Olshansky jersey or something.

00:40:48.020 Just like,

00:40:49.000 it's just the,

00:40:49.520 the best is when you see some really hot.

00:40:52.460 So like,

00:40:52.920 I obviously don't have a Pittsburgh accent,

00:40:54.420 right?

00:40:54.640 And you see a really,

00:40:55.920 really hot girl in Pittsburgh and she'd be like,

00:40:58.540 yeah,

00:40:58.720 you're going downtown,

00:40:59.480 hang out in South side.

00:41:00.760 I'm like,

00:41:00.940 what's your car?

00:41:03.480 Yeah.

00:41:04.120 Oh my God.

00:41:05.240 Pittsburgh.

00:41:06.060 There's no place like Pittsburgh.

00:41:07.860 I love it.

00:41:08.660 Right.

00:41:08.900 It's,

00:41:09.220 it's gotten a lot better from when I was a kid.

00:41:11.440 It's one of the best places.

00:41:13.240 There's that movie.

00:41:14.420 Um,

00:41:14.500 what's that movie where there's a big wedding in the beginning of it.

00:41:17.180 Is that deer hunter?

00:41:17.900 No,

00:41:18.120 is that deer hunter was filmed in Pittsburgh.

00:41:19.500 Yeah.

00:41:19.820 And it's all filmed right there.

00:41:21.220 Pittsburgh,

00:41:21.780 if it didn't,

00:41:22.540 and with the,

00:41:23.680 the landscape,

00:41:24.520 it's one of the more beautiful cities.

00:41:26.360 It doesn't get enough credit because of the winters are pretty harsh.

00:41:29.120 I think brutal,

00:41:29.900 brutal.

00:41:30.220 Right.

00:41:30.500 But you go to Mount Washington and you go to Lamont restaurant.

00:41:33.700 Yeah.

00:41:34.060 And you just see it like just,

00:41:35.640 you know,

00:41:35.920 you're driving through the tunnels and you see,

00:41:38.400 um,

00:41:38.980 you see point park and you see the three rivers.

00:41:41.220 It's beautiful.

00:41:42.040 And they've cleaned it up a lot since I was a kid.

00:41:44.240 It is really a vibrant town.

00:41:46.840 Um,

00:41:47.360 I love it there.

00:41:48.200 It's a tech town.

00:41:48.960 Yeah.

00:41:49.060 I love it.

00:41:49.440 My friend used to work at Jack's bar on the South side.

00:41:52.200 Another friend of mine was a mascot over there.

00:41:55.020 A mascot.

00:41:55.660 Yeah.

00:41:55.840 I think he was a Pittsburgh pirate for a while.

00:41:57.260 That's cool.

00:41:57.840 That's cool.

00:41:58.300 That's cool.

00:41:58.680 I used to work as a bartender.

00:42:00.220 WDVE.

00:42:00.600 Is that the station there?

00:42:01.420 No.

00:42:01.620 What is it?

00:42:02.260 WDVE.

00:42:02.720 Yeah.

00:42:02.940 Yeah.

00:42:03.880 That's funny as hell.

00:42:04.880 Yeah.

00:42:05.200 Yeah,

00:42:05.420 man.

00:42:05.640 I,

00:42:05.800 I really have a,

00:42:06.740 I love that place.

00:42:08.280 It's good people.

00:42:08.760 You worked where there you said?

00:42:09.760 Yeah.

00:42:09.880 I worked,

00:42:10.320 um,

00:42:10.640 at a bar called chances are and,

00:42:13.100 um,

00:42:13.580 in Oakland.

00:42:14.520 And that was my summer job when I was in college.

00:42:17.000 And Oakland is the kind of the downtown area.

00:42:18.660 No,

00:42:18.880 Oakland is where the university of Pittsburgh is.

00:42:20.540 Okay.

00:42:20.780 But they're playing pretty good this year.

00:42:25.840 A little bit ago.

00:42:26.500 I know you guys have,

00:42:27.800 you guys have like,

00:42:28.820 uh,

00:42:29.740 I don't know if it's a feud.

00:42:30.860 What is it?

00:42:31.260 You think it almost seems romantic a little bit.

00:42:33.260 I just like to fuck with them.

00:42:34.340 Yeah.

00:42:34.500 Right.

00:42:34.780 I mean,

00:42:35.140 because it's like,

00:42:36.920 he loves being on Twitter too.

00:42:38.440 Oh,

00:42:38.560 it's his thing.

00:42:39.420 Right.

00:42:39.720 Yeah.

00:42:40.320 I guess if I just paid 40 something billion,

00:42:41.940 you better hang out.

00:42:43.900 It's like,

00:42:44.200 why do I go to the Mavs games?

00:42:46.100 Right.

00:42:46.880 You know?

00:42:47.360 Um,

00:42:48.040 but yeah,

00:42:48.600 I don't,

00:42:48.900 I don't dislike Elon,

00:42:50.160 but he says some stupid shit and it's just like,

00:42:52.620 I have no problem calling him out.

00:42:54.160 Yeah.

00:42:54.460 And he's,

00:42:55.060 he's thin skinned.

00:42:56.220 Right.

00:42:56.660 And so like,

00:42:57.700 I'll tell you my one little Elon story.

00:42:59.440 Right.

00:42:59.960 So I got,

00:43:00.780 I didn't get to know him,

00:43:01.840 but I was,

00:43:02.960 um,

00:43:04.200 helped him with something or tried to help him.

00:43:06.360 And so I had his number and I texted him a couple of times.

00:43:09.260 Like he had a kid and I'm like,

00:43:10.620 congrats on your 97th kid.

00:43:12.140 And he texts me back Mars,

00:43:13.480 Mars needs kids.

00:43:14.480 Right.

00:43:14.720 Mars needs people.

00:43:15.920 And I'm like,

00:43:16.420 that's funny as shit.

00:43:17.160 Right.

00:43:17.700 And so one day I,

00:43:18.900 I had a Tesla and I said something about it and he just sends me a text with the

00:43:22.420 article saying,

00:43:23.560 fuck you.

00:43:24.580 That's it.

00:43:25.460 Just fuck you.

00:43:26.620 And I was like,

00:43:27.740 okay.

00:43:28.260 I mean,

00:43:28.640 it was the truth,

00:43:29.360 right?

00:43:29.960 Fuck you.

00:43:30.660 I'm like,

00:43:31.020 okay.

00:43:31.220 So that's a text with the article that what,

00:43:33.080 that I said something that wasn't completely,

00:43:34.960 totally positive about Tesla.

00:43:36.600 Oh,

00:43:36.820 I see what you're saying.

00:43:37.380 Okay.

00:43:37.580 So that's what,

00:43:38.140 that's what the article was about.

00:43:39.160 Right.

00:43:39.320 So he was just like,

00:43:40.200 fuck you.

00:43:41.460 I'm like,

00:43:41.900 okay.

00:43:42.500 And then it was nothing,

00:43:43.640 you know,

00:43:43.880 no big deal.

00:43:44.300 I don't care one way or the other.

00:43:45.440 And then when he buys Twitter.

00:43:46.800 Right.

00:43:47.200 And then he starts getting real political.

00:43:49.020 Right.

00:43:49.500 Yeah.

00:43:49.740 And so not a lot of people are going to stand up to him.

00:43:52.340 And I'm like,

00:43:53.200 fuck it.

00:43:53.440 I don't care.

00:43:54.180 Right.

00:43:54.580 So he's called me racist.

00:43:56.120 He's called me,

00:43:56.760 you know,

00:43:57.860 poop emoji multiple times.

00:43:59.220 He calls me all these names.

00:44:00.820 And so like that,

00:44:02.720 to me,

00:44:02.940 that just gives me license to fuck with him even more.

00:44:05.120 Right.

00:44:05.360 I don't care if he calls me names.

00:44:06.480 I don't give a shit what he thinks.

00:44:07.460 Right.

00:44:08.000 But it's still fun.

00:44:09.540 Right.

00:44:09.920 You know,

00:44:10.260 just to hit him with the LOLs or whatever.

00:44:12.780 Yeah.

00:44:12.880 Cause at that point you're just kind of having a good time.

00:44:14.600 And Twitter is a strange place where you can just kind of say whatever.

00:44:18.460 It kind of exists.

00:44:19.660 It kind of doesn't.

00:44:20.800 The news,

00:44:21.380 like,

00:44:21.700 Twitter is a,

00:44:23.980 it's just such a bizarre place.

00:44:25.800 It really is.

00:44:26.260 I wish they would take a lot of the pornography off of there.

00:44:29.160 Hardcore.

00:44:29.600 Right.

00:44:29.780 How they get away with all that shit.

00:44:31.180 Cause you only have to be 13 to go on there.

00:44:33.220 Right.

00:44:34.740 You know,

00:44:34.960 you talked about some of the shit we were talking earlier.

00:44:36.840 That's where the shit just shows up in your face all the time.

00:44:39.440 Yeah.

00:44:39.740 Oh yeah.

00:44:40.060 That,

00:44:40.360 that,

00:44:40.540 that kind of stuff is,

00:44:41.360 I think,

00:44:42.200 yeah,

00:44:42.740 I wish that,

00:44:43.400 that we didn't have that.

00:44:45.060 Um,

00:44:45.920 and yeah,

00:44:46.540 and I think,

00:44:47.120 yeah.

00:44:47.280 And he's,

00:44:47.820 yeah,

00:44:48.000 he's always on there,

00:44:49.100 but yeah,

00:44:49.500 I think he,

00:44:49.960 and he might still be high off the fact that he bought it,

00:44:51.960 you know,

00:44:52.180 that he owns it.

00:44:52.820 Look,

00:44:53.100 you got to give him tons of credit,

00:44:54.140 right?

00:44:54.420 Yeah.

00:44:55.000 SpaceX,

00:44:55.980 you know,

00:44:56.380 Starlink,

00:44:57.520 Tesla,

00:44:58.840 the shit dudes,

00:44:59.660 like the entrepreneur of our generation,

00:45:01.640 right?

00:45:01.980 There's like nobody close,

00:45:03.160 you know,

00:45:03.560 at least in the two thousands.

00:45:04.520 Right.

00:45:05.300 And so I have total respect for him as an entrepreneur,

00:45:07.760 but his skin is so,

00:45:09.520 so thin.

00:45:10.440 How can you not fuck with them?

00:45:11.720 Yeah.

00:45:12.000 Right.

00:45:12.920 Yeah.

00:45:13.300 I think,

00:45:13.700 well,

00:45:13.900 yeah,

00:45:14.220 I mean,

00:45:14.480 it's,

00:45:14.700 I think it's,

00:45:15.260 I mean,

00:45:15.820 Twitter is definitely a place where is it real?

00:45:18.840 Is it not real?

00:45:19.900 You know,

00:45:20.840 I don't know.

00:45:21.200 It's always been interesting.

00:45:22.700 Um,

00:45:23.300 I feel I kind of,

00:45:24.500 I was happy that he bought it though.

00:45:26.520 I mean,

00:45:27.100 I feel like he kind of rescued it because I feel like a lot of,

00:45:30.520 a lot of like the mainstream media and like the social media platforms,

00:45:33.060 they seem all pretty left-leaning,

00:45:35.720 right?

00:45:36.840 Used to be for sure.

00:45:38.140 Right.

00:45:38.480 But now like the biggest platforms are Fox news,

00:45:42.240 daily wire,

00:45:43.440 the big names,

00:45:44.340 like name the big left-leaning,

00:45:46.140 um,

00:45:47.740 anchors or whatever.

00:45:48.600 Who are the,

00:45:49.100 who are the,

00:45:49.620 the most left-leaning big,

00:45:51.800 um,

00:45:52.780 celebrities in media today?

00:45:55.560 Well,

00:45:56.020 I guess you probably have like,

00:45:57.580 um,

00:45:58.560 Don Lemon,

00:45:59.340 I guess.

00:45:59.940 He got fired.

00:46:00.660 He did?

00:46:01.240 Yeah.

00:46:01.600 He got fired from CNN.

00:46:02.580 He's gone,

00:46:03.660 right?

00:46:03.860 He ain't got shit going on.

00:46:05.100 Oh,

00:46:05.320 damn.

00:46:06.880 Um,

00:46:07.920 when life gives you Don Lemon,

00:46:10.080 let him go.

00:46:12.060 But you get the point,

00:46:13.160 right?

00:46:13.320 I don't know.

00:46:13.700 There's no big names.

00:46:14.520 I think,

00:46:14.860 but CNN,

00:46:15.560 I think a lot of the mainstream media has been notoriously kind of left-leaning.

00:46:19.560 I think it's,

00:46:20.020 it seems like they're anti,

00:46:22.280 I mean,

00:46:22.940 it for,

00:46:23.380 especially like during the first time that Trump was running,

00:46:25.520 like the only people that even the late night host would make fun of were

00:46:28.900 basically like kind of poor whites.

00:46:30.560 It seemed like for sure.

00:46:31.480 That was wrong.

00:46:32.240 It got like,

00:46:33.020 if you were like conservative or Christian,

00:46:35.380 I feel like those people get the brunt of shit a lot of times.

00:46:38.260 Yeah.

00:46:38.400 I'm not going to argue with that.

00:46:39.400 Right.

00:46:39.640 But I guess my point is in 2016,

00:46:42.400 it was different,

00:46:43.280 right?

00:46:43.880 TV was still up here,

00:46:45.200 right?

00:46:45.760 Getting nine,

00:46:47.120 10 million viewers a night for a TV show was okay.

00:46:49.760 Right.

00:46:50.420 And so whoever was on the,

00:46:52.340 the,

00:46:52.680 the news then,

00:46:54.480 or CNN,

00:46:55.080 they were getting millions of people.

00:46:56.580 Now the only platforms getting a lot of viewers are like Fox news is the

00:47:00.800 biggest MSNBC gets some like a Rachel Maddow,

00:47:02.920 you could say,

00:47:03.500 but for every Rachel Maddow,

00:47:05.240 you know,

00:47:05.720 there's Sean Hannity,

00:47:06.960 there's Laura Ingraham,

00:47:08.540 there's,

00:47:09.240 you know,

00:47:09.640 all the,

00:47:10.100 all the hosts.

00:47:10.740 And then you've got Ben Shapiro's,

00:47:12.620 you've got all these right wing,

00:47:14.280 you know,

00:47:14.480 the Tucker Carlson's.

00:47:15.740 Yeah.

00:47:15.960 And so the bigger stars now and the bigger,

00:47:18.020 bigger media presence is on the right.

00:47:20.360 And so I think what's happened on Twitter now,

00:47:22.340 since Elon has pushed it to the right,

00:47:24.580 I think it's kind of flip-flopped,

00:47:26.760 right?

00:47:27.140 In 2016,

00:47:27.740 if you went on and,

00:47:29.100 and talked about Trump positively,

00:47:30.980 you would get shit on.

00:47:32.100 Oh,

00:47:32.280 you couldn't say anything.

00:47:33.140 If you were even a conservative,

00:47:34.080 you couldn't even ask a question.

00:47:35.480 Right.

00:47:35.660 You would get shit on,

00:47:36.400 right?

00:47:36.520 It was very scary.

00:47:37.520 Right.

00:47:37.740 So it was left leading,

00:47:38.700 but now it's exact opposite.

00:47:40.740 Right.

00:47:41.340 If,

00:47:41.720 when I say stuff about Harris,

00:47:43.400 you can just look at my,

00:47:44.460 my ref,

00:47:45.140 my mentions,

00:47:45.900 my replies,

00:47:46.620 and I'm just getting destroyed.

00:47:48.020 I'm a communist.

00:47:49.280 You're a fucking Jew.

00:47:50.600 Go back to hell.

00:47:51.680 This is this,

00:47:52.400 this is that.

00:47:52.800 Well,

00:47:52.820 Jews aren't from hell.

00:47:53.740 That's crazy, dude.

00:47:54.240 Well, no,

00:47:54.300 but that's what they,

00:47:54.920 no,

00:47:55.140 it's all crazy.

00:47:55.640 But at least look at the history,

00:47:56.500 you know what I'm saying?

00:47:57.020 Like,

00:47:57.240 you know,

00:47:57.540 look at a map.

00:47:58.340 No,

00:47:58.420 it's insane.

00:47:58.640 The anti-Semitism on that place,

00:48:00.160 maybe it's just pointed at me,

00:48:01.660 right?

00:48:02.000 But I know Ben Shapiro,

00:48:02.940 I looked in his replies,

00:48:03.940 cause I'm just curious.

00:48:04.720 Right.

00:48:05.240 So point being that,

00:48:06.740 um,

00:48:07.220 I think it's flip-flopped.

00:48:08.180 You do.

00:48:08.620 Yeah.

00:48:08.820 And I think now,

00:48:10.340 um,

00:48:10.780 I mean,

00:48:11.020 look,

00:48:11.280 you had president Trump on here coming on here saying his piece,

00:48:13.780 right?

00:48:14.160 And we would have Kamala on.

00:48:15.480 Yeah,

00:48:15.740 I'm sure.

00:48:16.120 And I'll,

00:48:16.340 I'll put in a good word for you too.

00:48:17.820 Yeah.

00:48:18.020 You know?

00:48:18.320 Yeah,

00:48:18.440 for sure.

00:48:18.980 Yeah.

00:48:19.160 I think it would just be interesting to talk to her.

00:48:21.200 No,

00:48:21.360 she's smart.

00:48:21.880 She's fun.

00:48:22.380 She's easygoing.

00:48:23.340 Right.

00:48:23.840 Laughs a lot,

00:48:24.580 but you know,

00:48:25.060 she's,

00:48:25.440 she's chill.

00:48:26.500 Um,

00:48:27.380 but I think the whole thing is just flip-flopped.

00:48:29.760 And I think it's harder on Twitter in particular,

00:48:31.880 it's harder to be,

00:48:33.540 um,

00:48:34.280 in support of Harris.

00:48:35.280 Like I'm not a liberal,

00:48:36.220 right?

00:48:36.700 I mean,

00:48:37.060 socially I probably am physically I'm conservative and I'm an independent.

00:48:41.020 I don't belong to either party.

00:48:42.040 I don't give a shit about either party,

00:48:43.480 you know,

00:48:44.140 but I'm a Harris fan because I'm not,

00:48:46.160 you know,

00:48:46.700 I like her policies.

00:48:47.640 I've had some influence in her policies and I'm not a Trump fan at all.

00:48:50.720 Yeah.

00:48:51.040 Used to be,

00:48:51.600 but they kind of grew out of it.

00:48:52.880 Have you,

00:48:53.580 um,

00:48:54.440 yeah.

00:48:54.660 What do you think made you grow?

00:48:55.560 Like that's interesting term,

00:48:57.100 like grew out of it.

00:48:58.120 You know,

00:48:58.620 I would,

00:48:59.180 once I came out saying I was for him,

00:49:02.600 right.

00:49:03.400 Oh,

00:49:03.520 you,

00:49:03.700 you had come out and said,

00:49:04.740 yeah,

00:49:05.100 I said it was the best thing that happened to politics because he wasn't a

00:49:07.660 typical candidate.

00:49:08.440 Now I didn't think he had a chance.

00:49:09.540 That's how I felt.

00:49:10.300 Yeah.

00:49:10.660 Cause I would have elected a fucking donut in there.

00:49:12.820 Well,

00:49:12.980 yeah.

00:49:13.160 If it wasn't a politician.

00:49:14.660 Exactly right.

00:49:15.160 That's like one of my buddies in Texas.

00:49:16.440 I'm like,

00:49:16.840 why are you voting for Trump?

00:49:17.840 He goes,

00:49:18.280 Mark,

00:49:18.520 I've been voting for politicians my entire life.

00:49:20.500 You know what they've done for me?

00:49:21.820 Nothing.

00:49:22.500 You know,

00:49:22.700 the definition of insanity,

00:49:23.840 doing the same thing over and over again.

00:49:25.840 Right.

00:49:25.980 So I'm like,

00:49:26.520 okay,

00:49:26.700 Dan,

00:49:26.900 I get that.

00:49:27.460 Right.

00:49:27.800 Yeah.

00:49:28.140 But as I would talk to him and it's funny because,

00:49:31.480 um,

00:49:32.160 in my memory,

00:49:32.900 things that came up right just this morning,

00:49:34.460 I was looking at it and it was like,

00:49:36.400 he sent me a text.

00:49:37.940 I'd done a CNN interview.

00:49:39.840 Yeah.

00:49:40.060 Donald said,

00:49:40.780 um,

00:49:41.180 well,

00:49:41.360 what he would do is he would write it and then somebody would scan it and

00:49:44.440 then they'd email it to me.

00:49:45.820 Um,

00:49:46.580 and so he sent me what happened.

00:49:48.540 Cause he saw a CNN interview where I criticized him.

00:49:50.700 And I literally,

00:49:52.140 I told him,

00:49:52.740 I'm like,

00:49:52.940 you got to start learning the issues,

00:49:54.540 right?

00:49:55.160 You can't just talk,

00:49:56.340 you know,

00:49:56.700 at some point,

00:49:57.500 all these things are important.

00:49:59.020 And if you're going to be president and you've got a chance to win,

00:50:02.140 then you've got to learn this stuff.

00:50:04.300 And I just never felt he made an effort to learn anything,

00:50:06.940 not just that,

00:50:07.900 but anything.

00:50:08.400 Right.

00:50:08.740 And so whenever you try to get into a conversation about details,

00:50:14.100 it never worked.

00:50:14.860 Now,

00:50:15.180 all that said,

00:50:15.700 even though I don't think he'd make a good president,

00:50:17.400 I don't think he was a good president before when he did become president,

00:50:20.200 when he asked me to come help on during COVID,

00:50:23.000 right.

00:50:23.180 When he asked me to help about healthcare,

00:50:24.840 I showed up.

00:50:25.840 Yeah.

00:50:26.040 Right.

00:50:26.220 Because country over party.

00:50:27.820 Right.

00:50:27.940 And I would do it again if he wins,

00:50:29.200 but I hope he doesn't.

00:50:30.340 Yeah.

00:50:30.980 Have you donated to the Harris campaign?

00:50:33.320 No,

00:50:33.720 I don't,

00:50:34.020 I haven't given money to any candidate pack,

00:50:37.600 anything politics related to either party since 2001.

00:50:42.520 And that was like,

00:50:43.920 I don't even know to Zoe Lofgren.

00:50:45.220 I don't remember why I gave her money.

00:50:46.580 Right.

00:50:46.940 That's when I had broadcast.com.

00:50:48.740 So I kind of make a point not to give money so that either you,

00:50:52.260 if I talk to you,

00:50:52.960 either you like my ideas or you don't.

00:50:54.580 And it's not about me buying,

00:50:56.100 you know,

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00:53:53.960 Do you feel like whoever gets in a B B president that they actually are do,

00:53:59.240 do they just spend their time paying back lobbyists?

00:54:01.700 Like it just feels like we're so far away from the days of like maybe Ronald Reagan or I'm trying

00:54:09.340 to think of somebody else like George,

00:54:11.920 no,

00:54:12.360 uh,

00:54:13.720 uh,

00:54:13.940 Gerald Ford.

00:54:14.620 I don't know.

00:54:14.880 It just seems like we've like,

00:54:17.040 we've just become this American in me feels like this kind of shell company.

00:54:21.080 Right.

00:54:21.560 Right.

00:54:21.800 For bigger,

00:54:22.940 bigger.

00:54:23.380 See,

00:54:23.680 I think there's some,

00:54:25.040 I mean,

00:54:25.360 in a negative way,

00:54:26.100 I still believe in like the beliefs of our country.

00:54:28.720 Yeah,

00:54:28.900 me too.

00:54:29.480 But,

00:54:29.900 uh,

00:54:30.080 it just feels like the lobbyists control so much.

00:54:33.540 It's like,

00:54:33.800 does the president even matter anymore?

00:54:36.040 You know,

00:54:36.920 it's a great point because some of the issues are so complicated.

00:54:40.500 They can't learn all of them.

00:54:41.880 Right.

00:54:42.360 Of course.

00:54:42.860 Yeah.

00:54:43.020 Yeah.

00:54:43.440 Like whatever it is.

00:54:44.580 Right.

00:54:45.200 Um,

00:54:45.880 but at the same time,

00:54:46.840 I think,

00:54:47.720 I think what a lot of people are missing is that everybody,

00:54:52.740 all politicians learn from Donald Trump and how he won because,

00:54:56.600 Oh,

00:54:56.680 they did.

00:54:57.100 You think?

00:54:57.340 Yeah.

00:54:57.460 Oh,

00:54:57.620 for sure.

00:54:58.140 Right.

00:54:58.340 I see it in the Harris campaign.

00:54:59.800 I see it in Kamala Harris.

00:55:01.240 Right.

00:55:01.780 You know,

00:55:02.480 Donald Trump took over the Republican party.

00:55:04.400 It was no longer the Republican party.

00:55:06.560 Right.

00:55:06.780 That's a great point.

00:55:07.500 I never thought about that.

00:55:08.500 He took over.

00:55:09.140 Right.

00:55:09.620 It's like,

00:55:10.060 whatever he wants,

00:55:10.800 he didn't want to,

00:55:11.640 um,

00:55:11.860 debate in the Republican primary.

00:55:14.280 So be it.

00:55:15.060 Right.

00:55:15.320 They let him not debate.

00:55:16.580 Right.

00:55:17.000 So,

00:55:17.380 you know,

00:55:18.000 who knows what would happen against Vivek or Nikki Haley or whatever.

00:55:22.040 It might've been.

00:55:22.340 That's right.

00:55:22.540 They didn't have to debate this year.

00:55:23.540 Huh?

00:55:23.820 No,

00:55:24.060 they wanted to.

00:55:24.660 The other ones did.

00:55:25.500 He just didn't participate.

00:55:26.440 And so he just didn't step up and say,

00:55:28.860 okay,

00:55:29.060 I'm going to kick your ass.

00:55:30.000 I'm happy to debate anybody.

00:55:31.180 He said,

00:55:31.700 no,

00:55:31.840 I'm not going to debate his choice.

00:55:33.460 But the point being he controls the Republican party.

00:55:36.680 I think that's what's happening with.

00:55:38.160 Yeah.

00:55:38.300 That wasn't super democratic probably.

00:55:40.020 Yeah,

00:55:40.280 no,

00:55:40.560 it was,

00:55:40.900 but it's his choice,

00:55:41.880 right?

00:55:42.040 The Republican party is a private entity.

00:55:44.180 He gets to do the way.

00:55:45.560 And he runs it.

00:55:46.300 Right.

00:55:46.960 But he shouldn't,

00:55:47.580 but isn't there a overall body that would say that you guys have to have this?

00:55:51.400 Nobody.

00:55:52.180 The Republicans get to pick their candidate the way they want to.

00:55:54.960 I see.

00:55:55.240 And the Democrats get to pick their candidate the way they want to.

00:55:58.000 So all this shit about,

00:55:59.120 well,

00:55:59.460 you know,

00:55:59.660 Nikki Hale,

00:56:00.140 I mean Nikki Hale,

00:56:00.960 Kamala Harris didn't get a single vote.

00:56:02.900 Right.

00:56:03.400 Don't matter.

00:56:04.380 Right.

00:56:04.680 And tell you what kind of dweeb I am.

00:56:06.640 Right.

00:56:07.380 And nerd.

00:56:08.260 Like I literally looked up the bylaws of the Democratic National Convention and the Republican National Convention.

00:56:14.180 And they both say we basically,

00:56:16.700 in a nutshell,

00:56:17.120 we get to pick the candidates the way we want to pick the candidates.

00:56:19.760 Period.

00:56:20.040 End of story.

00:56:20.680 Wow.

00:56:20.940 So either.

00:56:21.540 So,

00:56:22.080 cause kind of on both sides,

00:56:23.320 it seems like the,

00:56:24.300 the,

00:56:24.780 the,

00:56:25.340 that Kamala and Donald have just been put in.

00:56:29.460 Right.

00:56:29.980 So neither one of them kind of practice like,

00:56:32.240 but it don't matter.

00:56:32.800 Right.

00:56:32.980 What do they care about?

00:56:33.860 Power to your point earlier.

00:56:34.940 Right.

00:56:35.560 What's the Democratic party want?

00:56:37.100 Power.

00:56:37.660 What's the Republican party want?

00:56:39.780 Power.

00:56:40.260 Now who's in charge of those,

00:56:41.780 each of those businesses,

00:56:43.040 the parties,

00:56:43.420 Donald's in charge.

00:56:44.760 And the thing I was saying about learning from Donald now,

00:56:48.000 Kamala is like,

00:56:48.620 I'm taking over the Democratic party.

00:56:50.420 Right.

00:56:51.440 I see what you're saying.

00:56:52.320 Right.

00:56:52.580 So it used to be like in 2016,

00:56:53.940 people thought,

00:56:54.720 well,

00:56:55.240 you know,

00:56:55.600 all the traditional Republicans,

00:56:57.500 the Mitt Romneys or whoever,

00:56:58.960 they're really going to run the show.

00:57:00.680 And Donald was like,

00:57:01.280 fuck that.

00:57:01.720 Right.

00:57:01.880 I'm doing it my own way.

00:57:02.960 Right.

00:57:03.460 And so Nikki,

00:57:05.460 Kamala has learned all that stuff now and she's doing it the same way.

00:57:08.360 So she's not like,

00:57:09.480 okay,

00:57:09.620 this is what Bernie wants.

00:57:10.500 She doesn't give a fuck what Bernie wants.

00:57:12.260 You know,

00:57:12.520 this is what Elizabeth Warren wants.

00:57:13.900 She doesn't give a fuck what Elizabeth Warren wants.

00:57:15.920 She wants to know what's best for the country.

00:57:18.000 And so then are people like,

00:57:19.040 well,

00:57:19.260 why was she not this way in California?

00:57:21.400 Because running California,

00:57:22.960 being a Senator in California is a completely different job than trying to be the president.

00:57:28.140 You know,

00:57:28.400 just like running real estate is a completely different job than trying to be the president.

00:57:31.400 So I think she's trying to come to center because,

00:57:34.080 and she's trying to be the exact opposite of Trump,

00:57:36.920 but she has captured the democratic party.

00:57:39.680 Like when I talk to them,

00:57:41.000 it's not like,

00:57:42.200 okay,

00:57:42.440 this is what the Democrats want.

00:57:44.220 It's like,

00:57:44.740 okay,

00:57:44.960 what's best for the country?

00:57:46.460 And how do we implement that?

00:57:48.020 And how do we convey that?

00:57:49.280 So she can win.

00:57:50.460 Now,

00:57:50.680 some people might argue Bernie Sanders really is pulling the strings,

00:57:53.900 but he ain't right.

00:57:55.460 Just like,

00:57:55.660 he didn't seem like that when I spoke with him,

00:57:56.940 he seemed like,

00:57:57.560 I didn't even know how vested he was in her being the candidate.

00:58:01.820 You know,

00:58:02.080 he's not right.

00:58:03.140 That's the whole point.

00:58:04.180 Right.

00:58:04.480 It seemed like,

00:58:05.460 you know,

00:58:05.680 whatever.

00:58:06.040 Right.

00:58:06.340 Because she's in the center.

00:58:08.040 So you're saying you believe that she's doing her own thing.

00:58:10.100 She's definitely doing her own thing.

00:58:11.580 Like she,

00:58:12.380 like she says,

00:58:13.240 here's my core values.

00:58:14.160 Right.

00:58:14.540 I want,

00:58:15.400 I want taxes to be fair.

00:58:16.620 I want to,

00:58:17.480 you know,

00:58:17.680 lower taxes for the middle class.

00:58:19.400 Right.

00:58:19.640 I want to bring people up and make sure that they have opportunities.

00:58:24.240 Right.

00:58:24.740 I want to try to do what I can to continue to reduce inflation and costs.

00:58:28.820 You know,

00:58:29.380 and I don't want to be negative,

00:58:31.200 you know,

00:58:31.620 whereas Donald is negative a lot.

00:58:34.060 Right.

00:58:34.680 And so you hear talking about joyous and uplifting and all that stuff.

00:58:38.540 Oh,

00:58:38.700 I see.

00:58:39.080 I see.

00:58:39.380 Right.

00:58:39.640 Because that's,

00:58:40.720 and I agree with this.

00:58:41.460 That's what's going to bring people together.

00:58:43.160 You can't say,

00:58:44.000 I hate Taylor Swift.

00:58:45.220 Right.

00:58:45.640 And say,

00:58:45.920 I'm bringing people together.

00:58:47.060 Right.

00:58:47.240 You can't say all the Haitians are bad.

00:58:49.640 Right.

00:58:50.060 Legal or illegal.

00:58:50.980 Right.

00:58:51.380 And throw all the legal immigrants under the bus.

00:58:53.940 Like he's done.

00:58:54.740 And she's,

00:58:55.360 you haven't heard her criticized.

00:58:56.460 Like,

00:58:57.180 like Hillary Clinton fucked up.

00:58:58.780 Right.

00:58:59.080 Cause you nailed it.

00:58:59.820 Right.

00:59:00.140 She was talking shit,

00:59:01.240 the deplorables and all that.

00:59:02.720 They're stupid for,

00:59:03.700 that's not Kamala at all.

00:59:05.000 She's like,

00:59:05.920 all right,

00:59:06.200 we're going to bring people together.

00:59:07.420 I'm going to be joyous.

00:59:08.620 I'm going to be uplifting.

00:59:09.800 Right.

00:59:09.860 I see that.

00:59:10.440 Now I understand a little bit more of her campaign then,

00:59:12.660 but do you think it's weird that she doesn't do a lot of interviews and stuff

00:59:15.840 that she doesn't get out there?

00:59:17.200 That's a great question.

00:59:18.240 Okay.

00:59:18.500 So when she came in,

00:59:21.460 right.

00:59:21.760 And got nominated.

00:59:22.840 Cause you kind of don't know who she is.

00:59:24.080 That's like you hear,

00:59:24.960 you see,

00:59:25.420 so then you start to just believe clips because it seems like you don't get a

00:59:30.380 breadth.

00:59:31.100 So let's,

00:59:31.840 so now that comes down to this great question.

00:59:33.640 Right.

00:59:34.180 So,

00:59:34.460 cause I asked the same question and here's what they said to me.

00:59:36.480 They go,

00:59:37.020 Mark,

00:59:37.440 there's probably 1% of the electric,

00:59:40.340 electric of the electorate is high information.

00:59:44.420 So electorate,

00:59:45.700 say what it is.

00:59:46.360 Yeah.

00:59:46.540 So 1% of the electorate,

00:59:48.100 people who are voting.

00:59:49.000 Okay.

00:59:49.240 So 1% of people who are voting are high information.

00:59:51.640 So people are going to go really look in depth.

00:59:53.200 Like you and I might.

00:59:54.040 Right.

00:59:54.200 Wow.

00:59:54.620 Right.

00:59:55.280 99%.

00:59:56.120 They don't really know her.

00:59:57.720 Right.

00:59:58.040 And so if you look,

00:59:58.840 when she came in,

00:59:59.580 she had horrible approval ratings.

01:00:01.440 She had horrible favorability ratings.

01:00:03.380 People didn't know who she is.

01:00:04.840 And so what she's doing,

01:00:05.820 she's taking a page from the Trump pay playbook.

01:00:08.040 What did Trump do in 2016?

01:00:09.920 He did all those rallies all the time in front of 10,

01:00:13.620 15,

01:00:14.180 20.

01:00:14.560 That's exactly what she's doing.

01:00:16.260 Right.

01:00:16.580 She's going everywhere and doing rally.

01:00:18.320 Cause that's how you get the maximum number of people without having

01:00:21.720 anybody interpret it for her like media might do.

01:00:24.720 But the,

01:00:25.420 the reason she keeps on doing it,

01:00:27.740 it's working.

01:00:29.120 Right.

01:00:29.580 She went from having really bad favorabilities.

01:00:31.920 No one knew to the exact opposite.

01:00:33.900 She went from being further behind than Biden.

01:00:36.380 Cause people didn't know actually potentially at least break even if not

01:00:40.020 leading in some cases it's working.

01:00:42.300 So why does he just turn around?

01:00:44.000 And she's done some friendly interviews like Oprah and the national

01:00:47.040 associate of black journalists,

01:00:48.040 and she'll continue to do some stuff,

01:00:49.700 but you do what works.

01:00:51.460 Right.

01:00:52.480 Yeah,

01:00:52.900 I guess.

01:00:53.240 I mean,

01:00:53.500 I think,

01:00:54.140 yeah,

01:00:54.260 I mean,

01:00:54.440 I just wish to,

01:00:55.300 yeah,

01:00:55.420 it feels like you'd want to get to know her a little bit better,

01:00:58.380 you know,

01:00:59.260 just to learn a little bit more about her.

01:01:01.420 What do you want to know about her?

01:01:02.620 That's a good question.

01:01:03.380 I guess for me,

01:01:03.920 I always want to know what somebody is really like,

01:01:05.840 you know,

01:01:06.940 and at least get an,

01:01:07.840 like,

01:01:08.040 so just to try to get an idea of that.

01:01:10.180 And then also you like,

01:01:12.860 I think I can understand why a lot of people vote for Trump,

01:01:16.420 you know,

01:01:16.720 because,

01:01:17.240 you know,

01:01:18.420 he's had a history of being involved in a lot of shady business.

01:01:21.580 Right.

01:01:22.660 And that's why they vote for him.

01:01:23.920 Well,

01:01:24.120 because America has become what it feels like it to a regular person.

01:01:28.620 It feels like I am a,

01:01:31.020 I am a,

01:01:32.840 I am just a peon in a bigger shady business.

01:01:37.520 It feels like.

01:01:38.560 That's interesting.

01:01:39.240 That's really,

01:01:39.760 really interesting.

01:01:40.560 Yeah.

01:01:40.740 So,

01:01:40.900 so then it feels like,

01:01:43.080 like,

01:01:43.520 yeah,

01:01:43.680 our water's dirty.

01:01:44.840 There's our kids.

01:01:46.060 We're,

01:01:46.980 you know,

01:01:47.460 parents are boiling their own water now at home because they feel like that

01:01:51.200 water's not safe and it's causing kids to have autism.

01:01:54.080 Our,

01:01:54.520 our,

01:01:55.260 our,

01:01:55.980 you know,

01:01:56.580 our drugs,

01:01:58.280 people have to spend all their money on drugs.

01:02:01.440 Like,

01:02:01.900 well,

01:02:02.060 I'm fixing that.

01:02:02.680 So I'll get to that.

01:02:03.660 I want to get to that.

01:02:04.900 But like,

01:02:05.460 yeah,

01:02:05.560 one of the largest causes of bankruptcy is medical debt in this country.

01:02:08.660 There's a huge shell game insurance scam going on.

01:02:11.680 It's horrible.

01:02:12.020 It's worse than you think.

01:02:12.640 Between hospitals and insurance providers and,

01:02:16.580 and big business.

01:02:18.160 It's just.

01:02:18.620 But just look at that,

01:02:19.460 right?

01:02:19.640 Those shady things you mentioned,

01:02:21.740 he tried to fix.

01:02:22.880 Like,

01:02:23.000 I literally went to the white house to talk about healthcare and the shit I'm

01:02:25.460 doing.

01:02:25.720 And he wanted to talk about how we saved $35 billion on Boeing,

01:02:30.020 Boeing aircrafts.

01:02:32.280 Right.

01:02:32.880 Didn't,

01:02:33.100 we couldn't have a conversation about it at all.

01:02:35.100 Yeah.

01:02:35.400 And maybe that some of that stuff is evolving with him.

01:02:37.760 I don't know.

01:02:38.340 You know,

01:02:38.640 I don't,

01:02:39.000 but,

01:02:39.160 but I think my point was that it's gotten to the point where you'll,

01:02:44.100 everything seems like such a shady business that I want somebody.

01:02:48.340 Who is shady?

01:02:48.940 No,

01:02:49.080 I want somebody in there who can do shady business.

01:02:53.100 Well,

01:02:53.560 that is the guy who does shady business.

01:02:55.580 Well,

01:02:55.760 but that's,

01:02:56.480 but I think that's how a lot of people think.

01:02:58.540 Like really,

01:02:59.380 this whole thing is fucking me so much that at least he's my criminal.

01:03:04.820 Let me,

01:03:05.560 he's my criminal.

01:03:07.060 He is a criminal.

01:03:07.860 He's my criminal.

01:03:08.600 He's a criminal.

01:03:09.180 He's my criminal.

01:03:10.080 Right.

01:03:10.420 Yeah.

01:03:10.680 Or,

01:03:11.200 but yeah,

01:03:11.640 because they feel like this other thing is such a,

01:03:14.300 it's so mobster that you need a mobster.

01:03:17.140 That's what I'm saying.

01:03:18.140 I mean,

01:03:18.780 that's the best description or reason I've heard of anybody wanting to vote for

01:03:22.680 Donald Trump.

01:03:23.320 Literally the best,

01:03:24.400 right?

01:03:24.580 Because you're right,

01:03:25.560 right?

01:03:25.960 If everything is that shady,

01:03:28.160 then,

01:03:28.800 and he certainly,

01:03:30.080 I mean,

01:03:30.260 he's ripped off.

01:03:30.860 I can't even tell you how many people,

01:03:32.060 right?

01:03:32.140 People I know,

01:03:32.840 right?

01:03:33.300 That he's ripped off.

01:03:34.300 I mean,

01:03:34.520 there's been a lot of alleged issues with contracts.

01:03:36.260 No,

01:03:36.420 I'm telling you about,

01:03:37.160 yeah,

01:03:37.440 I'm telling you people I know,

01:03:38.940 right?

01:03:39.480 He like Barbara Carcran,

01:03:40.820 she said something about this from shark tank,

01:03:42.940 right?

01:03:43.520 She,

01:03:44.000 he hired her or asked her to sell a bunch of things.

01:03:47.140 A bunch of condos in a new building that he put up and she did sold

01:03:50.980 everything.

01:03:51.440 She asked,

01:03:51.880 he offered her $4 million.

01:03:53.960 He wouldn't pay her.

01:03:55.360 She had to sue him just to get her money.

01:03:57.940 But how does somebody benefit by behaving like that?

01:04:00.440 Like as a,

01:04:01.260 when that's the only way,

01:04:02.220 you know,

01:04:02.900 I mean,

01:04:03.420 he was born rich,

01:04:04.620 right?

01:04:06.000 He's never had to find his,

01:04:07.400 you know,

01:04:08.000 Damon.

01:04:08.360 Yeah.

01:04:08.680 He's always had good hair,

01:04:09.740 dude.

01:04:09.940 Rich people always have clean hair.

01:04:11.620 I remember.

01:04:11.840 I don't know about that,

01:04:12.680 but,

01:04:12.820 um,

01:04:13.400 um,

01:04:13.960 just call me Becky.

01:04:17.320 Um,

01:04:17.800 yeah,

01:04:18.000 there you go.

01:04:19.360 Well,

01:04:19.700 she likes him as a salesperson,

01:04:20.980 but down in there,

01:04:21.920 it talks about,

01:04:22.640 um,

01:04:23.320 how he ripped her off.

01:04:25.060 How do you,

01:04:25.740 you know,

01:04:26.580 Trump university,

01:04:28.180 Trump foundation,

01:04:29.480 Trump Soho,

01:04:30.220 just example after example,

01:04:32.080 where he ripped off hard working Americans again and again and again.

01:04:36.380 And to think all of a sudden he just changed who he is.

01:04:39.220 Just not the case.

01:04:40.680 Like,

01:04:41.080 look what he's doing fucking now,

01:04:42.340 right?

01:04:43.240 A mint silver coin.

01:04:44.640 If you're okay,

01:04:45.340 if you're a billionaire,

01:04:46.320 right?

01:04:46.660 All of a sudden you just made a billion dollars.

01:04:49.180 So you took your company public,

01:04:50.280 you put a billion dollars in the bank.

01:04:52.140 Are you going to be selling silver medallion coins?

01:04:55.660 What do they look like?

01:04:57.420 Does it matter?

01:04:58.600 I don't know.

01:04:59.220 I haven't seen it.

01:04:59.880 You know what I'm talking.

01:05:01.560 It's just,

01:05:02.020 is it like,

01:05:02.960 so you mean like the commemorative coins?

01:05:04.980 Oh,

01:05:05.040 commemorative coins.

01:05:05.340 Right.

01:05:05.560 That you see on the late night.

01:05:06.680 Commemorative everything,

01:05:07.660 don't they?

01:05:08.140 Yeah.

01:05:08.320 But this was supposed to be the guy running for president.

01:05:10.100 Right.

01:05:10.540 And so he's selling commemorative coins.

01:05:12.440 Oh,

01:05:12.720 that's wild.

01:05:13.800 He's selling sneakers.

01:05:15.140 gangster,

01:05:16.100 bro.

01:05:16.580 But why,

01:05:17.440 if you're rich selling sneakers,

01:05:19.380 right?

01:05:19.720 Donald also has a,

01:05:21.680 you know,

01:05:22.000 he has a very,

01:05:24.080 look at this shit.

01:05:25.140 Those things are hype as fuck,

01:05:27.220 dude.

01:05:27.360 And I wish I could get a pair to be honest,

01:05:28.700 just because they're pretty tough.

01:05:30.000 I mean,

01:05:30.200 they're ridiculous,

01:05:30.740 but they're tough.

01:05:31.740 But I think he's got a,

01:05:33.500 you know,

01:05:33.880 he loves being Donald Trump.

01:05:35.620 Yes,

01:05:35.840 he does.

01:05:36.560 Undeniably.

01:05:36.920 And I don't blame him for that.

01:05:38.260 More power to him.

01:05:39.000 Right.

01:05:39.060 Love your life.

01:05:39.960 Right.

01:05:40.200 Enjoy every minute.

01:05:41.240 I hope he enjoys every minute of his life.

01:05:43.080 Right.

01:05:43.360 I got nothing against,

01:05:44.660 like,

01:05:44.860 I like the guy.

01:05:45.640 If he was here and we were just talking shit.

01:05:47.500 Yeah.

01:05:47.800 I get along great with him.

01:05:48.840 Yeah.

01:05:49.060 But that's different than wanting him to be president in the United States again.

01:05:52.300 Right.

01:05:52.520 Totally different.

01:05:53.660 And I think you need somebody you can trust.

01:05:56.120 Now,

01:05:56.500 is Kamala perfect?

01:05:57.520 No.

01:05:58.040 Right.

01:05:58.440 Do I agree with everything she's going to do or says?

01:06:00.600 No.

01:06:01.160 Right.

01:06:01.400 But I think you can trust her.

01:06:02.900 Right.

01:06:03.180 And that's the difference.

01:06:03.940 And if you want to,

01:06:05.160 if I don't think we need to keep things in gangster mode.

01:06:08.820 I don't know.

01:06:09.440 That's why she's talking to me.

01:06:10.500 Right.

01:06:10.740 I mean,

01:06:11.060 that sounds stupid.

01:06:11.940 Right.

01:06:12.200 But like fixing healthcare.

01:06:13.660 Right.

01:06:14.060 She's not saying,

01:06:15.180 okay,

01:06:15.820 this lobbyist or that lobbyist.

01:06:17.260 She's like,

01:06:17.540 how do we fix it?

01:06:18.680 Right.

01:06:18.960 What do we do to make it to save people money?

01:06:22.400 You know,

01:06:22.740 that's the difference.

01:06:24.200 Right.

01:06:24.500 And I understand completely if you think everything's gangster,

01:06:27.760 the deep state and all this shit.

01:06:29.360 But like,

01:06:30.460 to me,

01:06:30.680 that's just playing the victim.

01:06:32.480 You know,

01:06:32.820 you mean by believe in that sort of mentality?

01:06:34.900 No,

01:06:35.200 that when he does it,

01:06:36.280 right.

01:06:36.660 When he says they're out,

01:06:37.940 you know,

01:06:38.120 it's the deep state.

01:06:39.140 He was fucking president of the United States,

01:06:40.820 the most powerful man in the world.

01:06:42.360 And what did he do to stop the deep state?

01:06:44.460 Now he just stopped talking about it.

01:06:45.940 He doesn't talk about the deep state anymore.

01:06:48.060 That's supposedly the ultimate gangster shit.

01:06:50.360 Right.

01:06:50.480 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 I mean,

01:06:52.080 you know,

01:06:52.760 if it's gangster and fucked up the way you say,

01:06:55.080 and maybe it is,

01:06:56.200 right.

01:06:56.300 Maybe I just miss it.

01:06:57.140 It feels like it.

01:06:58.100 No.

01:06:58.240 And I'm not saying it's not right.

01:06:59.280 Maybe I just don't see it.

01:07:00.340 Right.

01:07:00.900 Maybe I've got it too good.

01:07:02.480 And I don't see the shit.

01:07:03.500 Right.

01:07:04.220 But I mean,

01:07:06.580 it ain't going to get on gangster.

01:07:08.400 It's not going to get better.

01:07:09.760 Right.

01:07:10.020 Put in a gangster.

01:07:11.020 Right.

01:07:11.420 And if you put somebody who's a gangster and Tony Soprano style that only worries about

01:07:16.320 loyalty,

01:07:16.760 if you have an idea,

01:07:19.420 he ain't listening.

01:07:20.460 He's doing it his way.

01:07:21.640 Where I think with her,

01:07:23.280 she'll listen.

01:07:24.360 One interesting thing that he did.

01:07:26.100 Well,

01:07:26.660 well,

01:07:28.720 I wonder how much would be different from the first time that he had the experience to be

01:07:32.720 president to,

01:07:34.260 because sometimes you do something and you learn.

01:07:36.700 Right.

01:07:36.960 The question is to wake up.

01:07:38.000 Does he become more gangster or more legit?

01:07:40.560 Right.

01:07:41.360 What do you think?

01:07:45.400 I don't know.

01:07:46.420 It's a good question.

01:07:47.520 I think it would.

01:07:48.440 That's the thing.

01:07:49.040 I wish I knew a little bit more about how he thinks and is,

01:07:53.780 you know,

01:07:54.060 and that's the toughest thing is being a regular voter.

01:07:56.140 It's so hard to get to know how somebody.

01:07:58.060 That's the exact same thing you said about Kamala.

01:07:59.560 Right.

01:07:59.680 Really is,

01:08:00.440 you know,

01:08:00.700 right.

01:08:00.960 Because when he look again,

01:08:03.620 I don't hate him.

01:08:05.000 I really don't hate anybody.

01:08:06.240 Yeah.

01:08:06.580 Right.

01:08:07.020 I respect him.

01:08:08.240 Right.

01:08:08.480 I just don't agree with him and I don't think he'd be a good president.

01:08:11.400 But when he came on here,

01:08:13.760 right.

01:08:13.920 And I listened to the interview,

01:08:14.900 he talked pretty much other than your,

01:08:16.080 your talk about his brother and what happened.

01:08:19.040 There,

01:08:19.200 which was really cool.

01:08:19.960 Right.

01:08:20.580 You know,

01:08:20.840 you deserve a lot of credit.

01:08:21.680 He deserves a lot of credit,

01:08:22.940 but yeah,

01:08:23.140 I wish he would have talked a little more about it.

01:08:24.920 You know,

01:08:25.220 I think it's hard to get into some of his,

01:08:27.260 like an emotional side with him.

01:08:29.040 Some,

01:08:29.560 you know,

01:08:30.200 and I wish that it was maybe a little more possible,

01:08:32.640 but you know,

01:08:33.840 he's also an old,

01:08:34.780 you know,

01:08:35.100 he's,

01:08:35.360 he's a,

01:08:36.000 you know,

01:08:36.280 he's an older guy,

01:08:37.140 senior citizen.

01:08:37.600 And it's hard.

01:08:38.140 Yeah.

01:08:38.280 It's harder for that.

01:08:39.240 And I don't know him,

01:08:40.260 you know,

01:08:40.880 but,

01:08:41.060 but,

01:08:41.240 but you know,

01:08:41.780 what I was going to say is he didn't really get into any details about

01:08:44.800 anything other than the personal stuff with his brother.

01:08:47.460 Right.

01:08:48.240 You know,

01:08:48.520 in your stuff.

01:08:49.480 Yeah.

01:08:49.800 Well,

01:08:49.920 I think he wants to,

01:08:50.680 you know,

01:08:50.900 he wants,

01:08:51.440 I think there's just things people want to feel.

01:08:53.040 They want to feel safe.

01:08:53.880 Right.

01:08:54.060 So you want to,

01:08:54.960 you want different things that are,

01:08:57.200 that are happening at the border.

01:08:58.300 Like we had a couple of border patrol agents on and they were saying that,

01:09:02.340 that a lot of the problems that it's not,

01:09:04.800 they used to use of like usual,

01:09:06.080 like a Mexican migration that comes up to help with farming and stuff like

01:09:09.760 that.

01:09:10.020 And then it's just gotten out of control.

01:09:12.080 And then now it's gotten really out of control.

01:09:14.840 So I think his state,

01:09:16.200 like him saying that we want to close out or make it be like appropriate ways

01:09:20.680 that,

01:09:21.000 that affects people's safety.

01:09:22.840 No,

01:09:22.940 I agree.

01:09:23.320 Right.

01:09:23.500 Everybody wants safety.

01:09:24.480 Right.

01:09:24.720 And I think Biden fucked up.

01:09:26.540 No question about it.

01:09:27.600 He waited too long to do anything about it.

01:09:29.880 Now,

01:09:30.280 if you look at what's going on now,

01:09:31.860 they're at the same level,

01:09:32.720 the border crossings are at the same level they were under Trump.

01:09:36.380 Right.

01:09:36.780 So they've,

01:09:37.220 they've come way down.

01:09:38.900 And she has already said she wants to sign the border bill that the

01:09:42.000 Republicans put out there.

01:09:43.180 Right.

01:09:44.100 Not build a wall,

01:09:45.080 but shut it down even further,

01:09:46.820 which I think even further than a wall.

01:09:48.840 Yeah.

01:09:49.280 Further than it is now because they've already got it down to where it was

01:09:52.820 when they built the wall as much as they got built.

01:09:54.880 Right.

01:09:55.160 It's the same numbers is that the end of the pre COVID stuff for Trump,

01:09:59.000 400,000 a day,

01:09:59.920 whatever it is.

01:10:00.580 Right.

01:10:00.900 And she wants to take it even further.

01:10:02.640 She's not Joe Biden.

01:10:03.800 Right.

01:10:04.180 So I agree with that,

01:10:05.820 that it's a big deal.

01:10:08.040 But he also said he just wanted to deport everybody.

01:10:12.320 How the fuck do you do that?

01:10:13.800 Yeah.

01:10:14.240 You're just going to walk into somebody's house.

01:10:15.880 Hey,

01:10:16.120 I know there might be somebody who may or may not be illegal.

01:10:20.140 Get the local cops and just pull them out of their house.

01:10:23.320 You know,

01:10:23.860 what's that going to do to cities?

01:10:25.480 You know,

01:10:26.160 I mean,

01:10:26.540 you go through LA.

01:10:28.040 Yeah.

01:10:28.340 There's a bunch of illegals.

01:10:29.520 Right.

01:10:30.100 But they're not all have not all their families are illegal.

01:10:33.980 The hint day.

01:10:34.660 Yeah.

01:10:34.960 Yeah.

01:10:35.220 And so if your family's getting dragged out the front door,

01:10:38.520 what are you doing?

01:10:39.300 Right.

01:10:39.480 Right.

01:10:39.880 And he gets the national guard or the local cops just start dragging people

01:10:43.500 out,

01:10:43.820 putting them in a bus and send them.

01:10:45.280 How do you think their community is going to respond?

01:10:48.340 Well,

01:10:48.720 I guess it depends.

01:10:49.500 Yeah.

01:10:49.680 I think I agree.

01:10:51.220 It's tough.

01:10:51.700 It's like,

01:10:52.020 how do you get into the minutia of some of those things?

01:10:54.580 You've got to follow the law.

01:10:55.780 Right.

01:10:55.940 But he's saying he's just going to drag them out their doors.

01:10:57.800 Right.

01:10:58.100 He hasn't given any real details how he would do it.

01:11:00.860 And what I'm saying is if it's,

01:11:02.480 let's just say he decided it's against Jewish people.

01:11:04.440 Yeah.

01:11:04.780 Just pull it out of left field.

01:11:05.820 I'm not saying he is.

01:11:06.440 He's not going to.

01:11:07.120 Right.

01:11:07.880 Fucking that's happened to us before.

01:11:09.640 Right.

01:11:10.080 And in the country where there's this many guns,

01:11:12.080 people are pulling out their guns.

01:11:13.540 Right.

01:11:14.020 And I'm,

01:11:14.580 I don't know,

01:11:15.440 but I'm thinking if,

01:11:16.100 if I'm Hispanic and I have a brother-in-law or,

01:11:19.700 you know,

01:11:20.000 somebody,

01:11:20.640 my father,

01:11:21.440 whatever,

01:11:21.760 who's illegal and they're just coming to my front door,

01:11:25.060 I'm not just letting them take them and just say,

01:11:27.120 thank you very much.

01:11:27.940 Give me another.

01:11:29.080 Right.

01:11:29.440 Unless you do it the right way.

01:11:31.200 There's way,

01:11:31.820 look,

01:11:32.300 they called Obama the deporter in chief.

01:11:34.480 He deported more people than Trump ever did,

01:11:37.460 but he followed the law to do it.

01:11:39.240 Yeah.

01:11:39.660 As long as you follow the law,

01:11:40.840 that's great.

01:11:41.340 But when,

01:11:41.720 when Donald goes around saying,

01:11:43.220 we're just going to fucking kick him out.

01:11:44.780 Right.

01:11:45.320 I'm going to,

01:11:45.840 you know,

01:11:46.080 do whatever.

01:11:46.640 Right.

01:11:46.920 That just sounds like more.

01:11:47.980 It sounds like a boast and not like,

01:11:49.920 what is the actual practice?

01:11:51.120 Right.

01:11:51.260 More gangster.

01:11:52.120 Right.

01:11:52.180 But I think the fact that so many people have been let in,

01:11:54.540 it's like there's Venezuelans in Brooklyn that are running like

01:11:59.500 prostitution rings out of parks over there.

01:12:01.760 Yeah.

01:12:02.000 You know?

01:12:02.400 Yeah.

01:12:02.620 And I don't.

01:12:03.300 Yeah.

01:12:03.540 And there's Americans doing the same shit too.

01:12:05.420 Right.

01:12:05.840 Right.

01:12:06.060 That's a good point.

01:12:06.780 But I'm not trying to make excuses for him.

01:12:08.460 Yeah.

01:12:08.740 Get the motherfuckers out,

01:12:10.440 but follow the law to do it.

01:12:12.180 Tell us how you're going to do it.

01:12:13.300 Right.

01:12:13.340 That's a good point.

01:12:14.000 Yeah.

01:12:14.160 He doesn't,

01:12:14.720 Donald doesn't have much of a,

01:12:16.800 he's not very finessed when it comes to the emotional comfort of how

01:12:20.300 something's going to sound.

01:12:21.300 Well,

01:12:21.320 it's just respect the law.

01:12:22.960 Otherwise shit could hit the fan in a bad way.

01:12:25.700 Yeah.

01:12:26.180 Right.

01:12:26.440 But the fact that people have come in lawlessly,

01:12:28.800 it feels like.

01:12:29.380 Biden fucked up.

01:12:30.200 No one's changed.

01:12:31.060 No,

01:12:31.280 no one's saying he didn't.

01:12:32.420 Yeah.

01:12:32.820 Right.

01:12:33.020 He let too many people in that,

01:12:34.580 that could have been the Bernie Sanders side of him.

01:12:36.860 Right.

01:12:37.520 I'm not saying,

01:12:38.440 you know,

01:12:39.000 he did the right thing.

01:12:40.060 Yeah.

01:12:40.460 Right.

01:12:40.840 But you are where you are.

01:12:42.780 Right.

01:12:43.140 So the only question is,

01:12:44.540 how do you fix it?

01:12:45.340 Right.

01:12:45.960 And just saying.

01:12:46.680 Great point.

01:12:46.880 You are where you are.

01:12:47.840 You are where you are.

01:12:49.040 The situation is the situation.

01:12:50.600 When,

01:12:50.800 when that company cast or whatever it was fucked you up,

01:12:53.920 you were where you were.

01:12:55.000 Yeah.

01:12:55.340 And you just had to deal with it.

01:12:56.480 Yeah.

01:12:56.720 Right.

01:12:57.080 You could sue,

01:12:57.860 you could do whatever you could follow the law.

01:12:59.320 You did what you had to do.

01:13:00.460 Right.

01:13:01.180 It's the same with this,

01:13:02.140 right.

01:13:02.300 You are where you are.

01:13:03.460 And if he's going to get people out,

01:13:05.980 which you should,

01:13:07.460 he's not saying I'll follow the Obama model,

01:13:09.380 but instead of 3 million people deported,

01:13:11.300 it's going to be 11 million.

01:13:12.500 Right.

01:13:12.600 Let's hear the practice more.

01:13:13.860 Right.

01:13:14.180 Because otherwise,

01:13:15.520 when you have 300 million,

01:13:16.900 400 million guns in a fucking country,

01:13:18.900 people aren't just going to say,

01:13:20.920 take my brother.

01:13:22.100 Thank you very much.

01:13:23.320 Right.

01:13:23.620 Yeah.

01:13:25.840 You know,

01:13:26.220 that's a great point.

01:13:26.920 I think,

01:13:27.220 yeah,

01:13:27.460 I think that you have to have more of an idea of,

01:13:30.460 yeah,

01:13:30.540 how are things going to be done?

01:13:31.660 You got to tell us how you're going to do it.

01:13:32.840 Right.

01:13:33.060 You can't just say,

01:13:33.680 I'm going to deport because to your point,

01:13:35.340 right.

01:13:35.600 It gets people mad and they want to vote because they feel threatened.

01:13:39.000 Right.

01:13:39.360 They don't feel safe,

01:13:40.420 you know,

01:13:40.820 and I don't blame them for not feeling for being mad and not feeling safe.

01:13:44.200 That's legit.

01:13:45.120 Right.

01:13:45.740 But how are you going to fix it?

01:13:48.240 Right.

01:13:48.520 Comma saying,

01:13:49.060 okay,

01:13:49.260 here's the program,

01:13:50.220 right.

01:13:50.740 That we got from James Lankford,

01:13:52.720 whoever the guy from Oklahoma,

01:13:53.800 I think it is who,

01:13:55.020 um,

01:13:55.320 for this Republican bill,

01:13:56.700 I'll sign it.

01:13:57.740 Right.

01:13:58.120 Because this is a problem.

01:13:59.080 She hasn't said how she's going to deal with deportations.

01:14:01.580 That's something that she should be asked.

01:14:03.080 I don't know the answer.

01:14:04.000 I don't know where her head is on that,

01:14:05.640 but I do know that if you go more gangster on this.

01:14:09.540 That it could escalate and get worse.

01:14:11.020 You think?

01:14:11.600 Yeah.

01:14:11.920 Wouldn't you?

01:14:12.520 I don't know.

01:14:14.720 I don't know.

01:14:15.440 I hadn't thought about it like that.

01:14:16.640 Exactly.

01:14:17.060 You know,

01:14:17.300 I hadn't thought about that.

01:14:17.940 What are the actual practices of it?

01:14:19.420 You know,

01:14:20.080 dude,

01:14:20.260 dude hires people illegals in Mar-a-Lago.

01:14:23.620 Yeah.

01:14:24.060 Right.

01:14:24.660 Oh,

01:14:24.820 well,

01:14:24.920 that's an interesting thing about our whole country is it's like people say,

01:14:27.820 well,

01:14:27.880 we don't want illegals here,

01:14:29.400 but then people hire illegals to also do their jobs.

01:14:32.640 Right.

01:14:32.920 And they're not doing like,

01:14:33.940 they're not doing these jobs.

01:14:35.180 Right.

01:14:36.020 They're doing,

01:14:36.600 you know,

01:14:37.160 the shitty jobs.

01:14:38.140 But most of the people that are coming over now,

01:14:40.240 it's,

01:14:40.360 it's gotten so much more out of like people just coming over to work and send money back home.

01:14:44.320 It's gotten like most of the people aren't even Mexican people that are coming over now.

01:14:48.260 It's all other types,

01:14:49.600 which doesn't make those people any better or any worse.

01:14:52.300 No,

01:14:52.440 I hear you.

01:14:52.680 But it's still like,

01:14:54.200 if it's like,

01:14:55.260 it just makes me like,

01:14:56.300 I can't walk.

01:14:56.980 I'm scared to let my kid walk the block to school now,

01:14:59.460 or just because I don't know.

01:15:01.360 And if you feel like these people don't have a social security number,

01:15:04.140 then there's no way to even prosecute them or have them be contributing members.

01:15:08.700 Well,

01:15:08.740 no,

01:15:08.860 that's not true.

01:15:09.440 Right.

01:15:10.000 So even if they don't have a social security number,

01:15:12.380 if they break the law,

01:15:13.780 they'll,

01:15:13.980 they'll deport them.

01:15:15.240 Right.

01:15:16.200 Or they'll throw them in jail,

01:15:17.520 whatever it may be.

01:15:18.340 They're not saying because you don't have a social security number,

01:15:20.320 you can't be prosecuted.

01:15:21.400 Oh,

01:15:21.700 I see.

01:15:22.100 Right.

01:15:22.600 Yeah.

01:15:22.780 That's not the way it works.

01:15:25.660 Yeah.

01:15:26.040 I mean,

01:15:26.320 what,

01:15:26.580 yeah,

01:15:26.800 a lot of people,

01:15:27.720 the,

01:15:27.900 the executive branch,

01:15:29.440 one of the border patrol guys said that the executive branch,

01:15:32.380 they're not doing the processing well enough.

01:15:35.200 So a lot of times they get the same people over and over again.

01:15:37.980 Yeah.

01:15:38.080 They send them back.

01:15:38.720 They come right back over.

01:15:39.520 They send them back.

01:15:40.220 That's fucked up.

01:15:41.400 Right.

01:15:41.600 So we have,

01:15:42.680 obviously we have to do better.

01:15:44.060 Yeah.

01:15:44.300 And there used to be a program where families got to sponsor somebody that was coming over

01:15:48.360 back in the day.

01:15:48.980 Yeah.

01:15:49.180 Yeah.

01:15:49.400 I don't know where that is or what's going on.

01:15:51.000 I would just be cool because then you,

01:15:52.640 as a person that's already that lives here or as a citizen here,

01:15:56.180 you feel like you have a connection to that.

01:15:58.600 You know,

01:15:58.800 it's like,

01:15:59.380 that's how my grandparents got in the country.

01:16:00.980 Yeah.

01:16:01.280 They came over from the Ukraine and all over the fucking place.

01:16:03.960 Right.

01:16:04.500 It was either,

01:16:05.120 either be killed where they were or get your ass over here.

01:16:07.820 Right.

01:16:08.100 Right.

01:16:08.720 I just think we're in a tough space in this country where it's like,

01:16:11.160 people are struggling with addiction.

01:16:13.040 People are struggling with home ownership.

01:16:15.300 We're dealing with,

01:16:16.300 you know,

01:16:17.120 less marriages than ever.

01:16:18.600 Like the family unit is broken.

01:16:20.360 People are scared.

01:16:21.760 You know,

01:16:22.220 a person can't care about their kids because they have to fucking work all day or they

01:16:26.980 can,

01:16:27.360 but it's just hard to manage.

01:16:29.240 And,

01:16:29.560 well,

01:16:29.780 how do you think you fix that?

01:16:31.380 I don't know.

01:16:32.860 And I think it's a lot to think that one person could be the person that does it.

01:16:37.940 And I don't even know how you,

01:16:39.860 as a,

01:16:40.320 as a leader say you need the help from the people because they're already stressed.

01:16:45.080 That's what a leader is supposed to do.

01:16:46.580 Right.

01:16:47.100 Right.

01:16:47.400 That's the whole job.

01:16:48.520 Right.

01:16:49.180 That's why I turned on Trump because he didn't pay attention to those details.

01:16:52.580 It wasn't like he had a team that was like,

01:16:54.960 I got this guy to do this.

01:16:56.120 I got this guy to do that.

01:16:57.240 And even now who else?

01:16:59.560 Well,

01:16:59.700 he has,

01:16:59.960 at least he,

01:17:00.420 I do like that.

01:17:01.220 He brought in Bobby Kennedy jr.

01:17:02.620 You know?

01:17:02.960 Yeah.

01:17:03.080 I'm not a big Bobby.

01:17:04.020 You're not.

01:17:04.500 No,

01:17:04.700 not at all.

01:17:05.180 Yeah.

01:17:05.580 Yeah.

01:17:05.740 Cause of the healthcare shit.

01:17:06.760 I like his stuff on unprocessed foods.

01:17:08.720 Right.

01:17:09.020 I think that's legit.

01:17:09.840 In fact,

01:17:10.040 one of my buddies,

01:17:10.680 Todd Wagner,

01:17:11.520 one of my partners,

01:17:12.400 this whole thing is,

01:17:13.440 you know,

01:17:13.760 getting rid of unprocessed foods.

01:17:15.140 He helped sign a law in California to get all these dyes and shit out.

01:17:18.760 So I'm,

01:17:19.040 I'm in agreement there.

01:17:19.940 Yeah.

01:17:20.100 That's one thing I love about him and clean water,

01:17:21.840 just trying to clean up the environment,

01:17:23.120 you know,

01:17:23.360 with that.

01:17:23.720 Yeah.

01:17:23.880 Those are the things that I love.

01:17:24.860 Those are the things that I only really know that he does.

01:17:26.940 Yeah.

01:17:27.380 I got no problem with that side of him.

01:17:28.960 Right.

01:17:29.400 The whole vaccine thing.

01:17:30.520 I think that's,

01:17:31.140 he's misguided on that,

01:17:32.280 but that's,

01:17:33.080 that's what makes a market,

01:17:34.000 right?

01:17:34.240 That's okay.

01:17:34.860 People can disagree.

01:17:35.840 And you need somebody to say,

01:17:37.260 this is,

01:17:37.840 you needed a,

01:17:40.060 you needed,

01:17:41.080 cause half of America was like,

01:17:42.660 this feels like we should just let it.

01:17:46.080 It's not that dangerous.

01:17:47.140 We should let it figure itself out.

01:17:49.060 And nobody was even allowed to say that.

01:17:51.340 It felt like.

01:17:51.920 Say what?

01:17:52.180 That,

01:17:53.040 that this feels like a,

01:17:55.660 that during COVID,

01:17:56.500 this just feels like something that,

01:17:57.780 um,

01:17:59.380 we need to let it run its course through people.

01:18:01.600 Instead of like going this in this such a,

01:18:04.640 like a kind of almost felt like a communist route of like locking everything down.

01:18:09.580 Yeah.

01:18:09.900 I mean,

01:18:10.540 it wouldn't have to go into that.

01:18:11.600 Yeah.

01:18:11.840 I was responsible for 20,000 people coming into a Mavs game.

01:18:14.840 And if somebody would have died because I didn't want them to be vaccinated,

01:18:18.160 none of that,

01:18:19.800 I would have felt like shit for the rest of my life.

01:18:21.400 Yeah.

01:18:21.920 Right.

01:18:22.240 So just different.

01:18:23.120 Yeah.

01:18:23.320 So everybody can have different perspectives on that.

01:18:25.740 I was pro-vax.

01:18:26.580 Yeah.

01:18:26.740 I was pro-vax.

01:18:27.640 Yeah.

01:18:27.980 I don't know what I was vax on it.

01:18:29.400 I don't know.

01:18:30.120 I mean,

01:18:30.580 I guess,

01:18:31.000 I guess I was probably anti,

01:18:32.180 I don't know if I was anti-vax.

01:18:33.580 I just felt like,

01:18:34.940 like they suddenly shut down all of the AA rooms and shit.

01:18:37.960 And that killed so many people because they couldn't go get meetings.

01:18:41.060 And you're like,

01:18:41.840 Can't zoom everything.

01:18:42.900 Yeah.

01:18:42.960 Right.

01:18:43.120 You're like,

01:18:43.400 I'm going to die because I'm an addict.

01:18:45.420 And I don't,

01:18:46.420 COVID is the least of my worries.

01:18:48.160 Yeah.

01:18:48.320 No,

01:18:48.460 my brother's 17 years sober.

01:18:50.000 So I went through all that shit with him.

01:18:51.820 So I,

01:18:52.420 yeah,

01:18:52.700 not having some of that.

01:18:53.960 I,

01:18:54.140 so I just think that the way that it was all handled felt like,

01:18:57.420 um,

01:18:57.960 look at everything.

01:18:58.760 Look,

01:18:58.920 it's easy to look back at.

01:18:59.940 Yeah.

01:19:00.200 Right.

01:19:00.540 You can look at everything differently.

01:19:02.120 Right.

01:19:02.480 Because in hindsight,

01:19:04.140 everything's 2020.

01:19:05.800 Right.

01:19:06.440 But when you're in the middle of it and people are fucking dying,

01:19:09.220 it's scary as fuck.

01:19:10.160 Yeah.

01:19:10.540 And,

01:19:10.860 but that's the difference between leadership,

01:19:12.020 like going back to leadership.

01:19:13.160 I mean,

01:19:13.700 you nailed it,

01:19:14.320 nailed it.

01:19:14.660 You need leaders.

01:19:15.780 Right.

01:19:16.360 And leaders may not be able to do everything themselves personally,

01:19:19.980 but you got to have people around you that can do it.

01:19:23.100 And that's where I think Trump is fucked up.

01:19:25.540 Yeah.

01:19:25.680 You don't hear a lot about who he's going to get to help him with each

01:19:28.000 thing.

01:19:28.340 And a lot of it's because the people who he used before all turned on him.

01:19:32.040 Right.

01:19:32.400 All his cabinet members,

01:19:33.580 40 out of his 44 cabinet members said,

01:19:35.460 we ain't voting for him.

01:19:36.840 Right.

01:19:37.340 We don't think he's qualified to do this job.

01:19:39.940 And,

01:19:40.520 you know,

01:19:41.780 so healthcare,

01:19:43.620 you hear Vance mentioned some things,

01:19:45.360 but what else?

01:19:46.260 Right.

01:19:47.020 Deportations.

01:19:47.580 You hear Donald say he's going to do it,

01:19:49.440 but how?

01:19:50.560 Right.

01:19:51.240 Can you name one thing that Donald said,

01:19:53.400 how he's going to do it?

01:19:54.560 Yeah.

01:19:54.740 Yeah.

01:19:54.800 Yeah.

01:19:56.440 I think,

01:19:56.780 well,

01:19:56.900 I think that's another thing that even on the,

01:19:58.760 on the Kamala side,

01:19:59.640 it's like,

01:20:00.020 I wish there were more,

01:20:01.180 some of them specifics about the policies.

01:20:03.120 It's almost like they could both use a tune up in some of that area.

01:20:07.540 For sure.

01:20:07.980 Now,

01:20:08.460 you know,

01:20:08.740 we got 45 days or whatever it is to find out from Kamala what she's going to do.

01:20:12.500 I'm pushing them to get as much detail out.

01:20:14.500 Right.

01:20:15.400 I talked to their team three,

01:20:16.800 four times a week.

01:20:17.540 Oh,

01:20:17.800 wow.

01:20:18.260 Yeah.

01:20:18.420 Via text.

01:20:19.060 Right.

01:20:20.780 And I give them shit when they deserve shit.

01:20:22.540 Right.

01:20:22.800 And I'll say what I think.

01:20:24.200 And they listen though.

01:20:25.160 Right.

01:20:25.340 They may not agree all the time,

01:20:26.680 but they'll listen.

01:20:27.700 Yeah.

01:20:28.080 And so I know like when I talk to our team,

01:20:32.780 they're like,

01:20:33.280 okay,

01:20:33.420 we got to talk to the policy director of this or that.

01:20:36.260 Right.

01:20:36.660 Healthcare.

01:20:37.340 We're going to talk about,

01:20:38.180 you know,

01:20:39.200 independent pharmacies going up.

01:20:40.680 Okay.

01:20:40.860 We have a group that are,

01:20:41.760 that's looking at healthcare in general.

01:20:42.860 Let me,

01:20:43.100 let us get your feedback and go.

01:20:44.560 Like I was talking to them the other day on Amazon.

01:20:47.560 Do you sell anything on Amazon by chance?

01:20:49.420 I never,

01:20:50.160 I bought stuff on there.

01:20:51.280 Yeah,

01:20:51.420 but never.

01:20:51.860 Okay.

01:20:52.060 So like little company,

01:20:53.200 like shark,

01:20:53.500 I found this on shark tank.

01:20:54.440 Right.

01:20:54.780 So little companies that make headphones,

01:20:57.940 right.

01:21:00.000 They get knocked off a lot,

01:21:02.020 a lot.

01:21:02.640 Right.

01:21:02.840 So you come up with an idea to do something,

01:21:05.180 blood,

01:21:05.560 sweat,

01:21:06.000 and tears.

01:21:06.340 You put it on Amazon.

01:21:07.560 Some fuckers in China are like,

01:21:09.800 I make that shit.

01:21:10.900 Right.

01:21:11.280 I'm going to go on there and just knock,

01:21:12.700 knock it off.

01:21:13.420 Right.

01:21:13.740 And sell it there.

01:21:15.180 And as a little company,

01:21:16.140 it's hard.

01:21:17.140 It's not impossible,

01:21:17.840 but it's hard to get Amazon to take it down,

01:21:20.500 particularly on a timely basis.

01:21:22.200 And so they lose,

01:21:23.040 you know,

01:21:23.520 they can lose half,

01:21:24.880 75%,

01:21:25.780 all of their sales to these knockoffs.

01:21:28.100 Right.

01:21:28.440 And so I said to them,

01:21:30.000 you know,

01:21:30.640 Hey,

01:21:30.780 here's what I learned from these companies,

01:21:32.340 right.

01:21:32.520 Amazon isn't a good partner.

01:21:33.660 They used to be for these little companies.

01:21:36.440 Can we do something together?

01:21:37.860 Can I put something together?

01:21:38.900 Like,

01:21:39.140 yeah,

01:21:39.620 put something together for us because you're right.

01:21:41.660 We need to do it.

01:21:42.500 It's not right.

01:21:42.900 That China's knocking off some of our smallest entrepreneurs,

01:21:45.520 even big entrepreneurs.

01:21:46.300 Right.

01:21:46.800 And stealing their business.

01:21:48.000 So it's not about tariffs.

01:21:49.240 It's about,

01:21:50.040 okay,

01:21:50.200 so I proposed to them.

01:21:51.460 Can we get these Chinese companies to register before they're allowed to sell on Amazon?

01:21:56.300 Get them to put up like a 25K bond in case they rip off people.

01:22:00.100 There's some money there.

01:22:00.960 Right.

01:22:01.260 For every product they sell,

01:22:03.020 you're going to sell headphones.

01:22:04.200 Right.

01:22:04.760 Post it up.

01:22:05.360 Just like,

01:22:05.720 like a patent.

01:22:06.620 You have to post your patent before it gets approved.

01:22:08.940 Yeah.

01:22:09.420 Almost like you have to put your rating in the restaurant window or whatever.

01:22:11.840 Yeah.

01:22:11.980 Right.

01:22:12.200 Same type of thing.

01:22:12.860 Right.

01:22:13.360 So post whatever it is you're going to sell and put up five grand for it.

01:22:16.720 Right.

01:22:17.320 Again,

01:22:17.740 in case you violate IP,

01:22:19.080 that's revenue for the country that protects our small independent businesses.

01:22:23.900 Right.

01:22:24.120 And it protects us against China who,

01:22:26.980 you know,

01:22:27.760 they don't care about IP all the time.

01:22:29.500 Right.

01:22:29.980 And they were like,

01:22:30.680 great idea.

01:22:31.540 We have a policy team to look at that stuff for us.

01:22:34.700 Right.

01:22:35.440 That's the big difference.

01:22:36.600 Right.

01:22:36.940 So we don't have all the details yet.

01:22:38.640 And I think that's not as good as it should be,

01:22:40.640 but hopefully we'll get all those out in policy papers and everything and get some details.

01:22:46.480 I haven't even seen who Trump is going to turn to for details.

01:22:50.260 So you feel like with the Democratic Party that with Kamala's group,

01:22:53.740 that there's more organization.

01:22:55.580 A lot more and a lot more details paid attention to.

01:22:57.760 Got it.

01:22:58.300 Right.

01:22:58.660 And I think that's important.

01:23:00.500 Maybe there's people that Donald has put together and we just don't see it.

01:23:06.020 But you don't think there is.

01:23:08.980 Who do you think is going to,

01:23:11.160 well,

01:23:12.140 thanks,

01:23:12.440 man.

01:23:12.600 Yeah.

01:23:12.940 I like talking about that stuff.

01:23:14.600 Sometimes I get kind of scared to talk about it,

01:23:16.240 I guess,

01:23:16.560 because some,

01:23:17.120 some things I don't know and everybody doesn't,

01:23:19.300 nobody knows everything.

01:23:20.240 Nobody knows shit.

01:23:21.080 It can be a big picture,

01:23:22.180 right?

01:23:23.760 Do you think,

01:23:25.060 who do you think will win?

01:23:26.120 I have no idea.

01:23:26.980 I know.

01:23:27.860 That's fucking crazy.

01:23:29.060 Crazy.

01:23:29.820 Do you think we still have a fair election process in this country?

01:23:32.600 Absolutely.

01:23:33.040 You do.

01:23:33.480 Yeah.

01:23:33.860 Absolutely.

01:23:34.860 That's my biggest fear is just that we don't have one.

01:23:37.080 And then that I think,

01:23:38.440 and when you start to,

01:23:39.340 that's one thing it gets really weird because you start to think that

01:23:42.200 since other things seem kind of like lobbyists are involved in everything.

01:23:47.580 And there's,

01:23:48.280 you know,

01:23:48.680 Bernie Sanders is saying we have more lobbyists than we have reps and senators.

01:23:54.260 That I believe.

01:23:55.080 Right.

01:23:55.180 He said,

01:23:55.620 there's three lobbyists for everyone.

01:23:57.120 It's like,

01:23:57.460 well,

01:23:57.600 then what,

01:23:58.440 what,

01:23:58.940 where's the,

01:23:59.380 what's the real government?

01:24:00.280 It almost feels like the lobbyist becomes real government.

01:24:02.420 So like,

01:24:02.860 then you start to just off finish part,

01:24:04.220 just,

01:24:04.540 but then you start to,

01:24:05.440 you start to think that if that,

01:24:07.820 all that feels so compromised is the voting compromised.

01:24:10.720 Yeah.

01:24:11.160 I mean,

01:24:11.740 you don't think it is.

01:24:12.500 No,

01:24:12.600 as a geek.

01:24:13.200 Yeah.

01:24:13.480 And having looked at a lot of this stuff,

01:24:15.120 I mean,

01:24:15.560 I'm not the ultimate geek in all this,

01:24:17.740 but yeah,

01:24:19.600 I'm pretty confident.

01:24:20.780 And plus they've been sued a thousand times.

01:24:23.420 All the,

01:24:23.680 all the,

01:24:24.420 the states that Trump questioned were audited and had recounts and notice he didn't question the states he won.

01:24:31.680 Yeah.

01:24:33.060 That's a good point.

01:24:34.260 Right.

01:24:34.600 So it's not like he didn't trust it.

01:24:36.060 Right.

01:24:36.440 He just,

01:24:37.320 and I remember going,

01:24:38.360 I got invited by Clinton to one of the early debates in 2016.

01:24:42.480 And he was talking then about how the election wasn't going to be fair.

01:24:47.180 So one of the coolest books I ever read was about a guy named Roy Cohen.

01:24:50.580 Right.

01:24:51.180 And I don't know if you ever heard of the McCarthy trials in the fifties where they were calling everybody a communist.

01:24:55.140 Yeah.

01:24:55.480 I remember.

01:24:56.020 Yeah.

01:24:56.160 And so,

01:24:56.780 um,

01:24:57.000 I did a movie actually executive produced a movie called good night and good luck got nominated for six Academy Awards.

01:25:01.940 Oh yeah.

01:25:01.960 With George Clooney.

01:25:02.560 It was George Clooney.

01:25:03.280 Right.

01:25:03.420 It was all about that.

01:25:04.640 Well,

01:25:04.780 Roy Cohen was Donald Trump's mentor and Roy Cohen,

01:25:08.720 who was the guy who was defending the people saying,

01:25:10.820 you're a communist,

01:25:11.400 you're a communist.

01:25:11.880 Right.

01:25:12.320 And his,

01:25:12.920 his approach was deny,

01:25:14.680 deny,

01:25:15.060 deny,

01:25:15.460 deny.

01:25:15.900 And it's your fault.

01:25:16.820 It's your fault.

01:25:17.320 It's your fault.

01:25:17.840 And they're out to get me.

01:25:19.220 Everything Donald is doing is Roy Cohen.

01:25:21.600 Part two.

01:25:22.440 So you feel like that's a lot of his motivation.

01:25:24.620 That's a lot of his template.

01:25:25.900 Yeah.

01:25:26.100 That's his template.

01:25:26.760 Great.

01:25:27.020 Yeah.

01:25:27.160 That's the right word template.

01:25:28.500 Yeah.

01:25:28.860 And I think a lot of people feel like the,

01:25:31.780 the,

01:25:32.160 it's all so against them that they'll fucking throw a wrench into the,

01:25:37.240 just to fuck it up further.

01:25:38.020 Right.

01:25:38.560 Well,

01:25:38.760 no,

01:25:39.020 just because it's like,

01:25:40.160 let's,

01:25:40.500 we'll fire anything at,

01:25:41.820 you know,

01:25:42.020 it's like,

01:25:42.480 I think there's a lot of that mentality is that he's not a politician.

01:25:47.020 So they're going after him.

01:25:48.460 So it's better than having a politician in there because the politics,

01:25:52.220 because the political landscape has gotten.

01:25:53.800 So I would agree.

01:25:55.140 Look,

01:25:56.320 like when Biden was running,

01:25:57.460 I feel differently about Kamala,

01:25:58.580 but when Biden was running,

01:25:59.860 if you had a non MAGA Republican running,

01:26:03.360 I would probably vote for them.

01:26:05.440 Right.

01:26:06.220 I'm,

01:26:06.820 you know,

01:26:07.580 I just,

01:26:08.540 and you nailed it,

01:26:09.520 right?

01:26:09.600 You said socially liberal,

01:26:10.500 fiscally conservative.

01:26:11.220 Yeah.

01:26:11.660 The whole,

01:26:12.180 the whole gangster thing.

01:26:13.380 I think that's just wrong.

01:26:14.560 Yeah.

01:26:15.080 Like when I was a little kid,

01:26:15.940 I used to go with my buddy,

01:26:17.160 Jay,

01:26:17.560 and his dad was a numbers collector,

01:26:19.480 you know?

01:26:19.880 And so we would go,

01:26:20.660 really?

01:26:20.920 Yeah.

01:26:21.120 And he had this little plus three,

01:26:22.580 dude.

01:26:22.700 Yeah.

01:26:22.880 Right.

01:26:23.060 No,

01:26:24.380 this is why I'll take number seven.

01:26:25.620 Right.

01:26:26.340 Right.

01:26:26.600 Oh,

01:26:26.740 with horses.

01:26:27.380 No,

01:26:27.660 no,

01:26:27.800 no.

01:26:27.940 Just literally numbers.

01:26:29.020 So back in the day,

01:26:30.040 the mafia,

01:26:33.020 basically,

01:26:33.560 right.

01:26:33.800 In Pittsburgh and everywhere,

01:26:34.940 they would allow you to pick a number.

01:26:36.780 I don't know out of how many you think one to 20,

01:26:38.800 you pick a number and you bet.

01:26:40.360 Right.

01:26:40.560 And each number had different odds.

01:26:42.140 And if your number came up,

01:26:43.920 you got paid.

01:26:44.980 It's not like roulette.

01:26:46.020 That was it.

01:26:46.520 Yeah.

01:26:46.700 That was more like,

01:26:47.320 we call it numbers,

01:26:48.000 right?

01:26:48.180 It was like roulette,

01:26:48.840 but somebody came and told you what the number was.

01:26:50.260 Yeah.

01:26:50.420 They just posted the number and that was it.

01:26:52.120 Right.

01:26:52.280 And they knew what you would bet.

01:26:53.760 And if you didn't pay up.

01:26:56.080 Wow.

01:26:56.600 Right.

01:26:56.840 Not that they would hit him,

01:26:57.480 but they were just my,

01:26:58.440 my buddy's dad used to sit there with a little,

01:27:00.280 no little souvenir baseball bats.

01:27:01.720 They give a games,

01:27:02.360 a little tiny one.

01:27:03.340 Pap,

01:27:04.020 pap,

01:27:04.460 pap.

01:27:04.940 And it was cool as shit sitting in his,

01:27:06.500 you know,

01:27:06.700 1968 Buick Riviera.

01:27:08.280 I thought it was bad-ass as hell at the time.

01:27:11.480 Collecting numbers here.

01:27:12.680 That's cool.

01:27:13.400 But the gangster shit,

01:27:14.380 right?

01:27:14.820 Yeah.

01:27:15.520 Once a gangster,

01:27:16.360 always a gangster.

01:27:17.540 And when it comes time to dealing with stuff,

01:27:20.560 it's self-preservation first.

01:27:22.060 That's the number one rule of being a gangster,

01:27:23.680 isn't it?

01:27:24.560 You know,

01:27:24.860 stay out of jail,

01:27:25.600 keep your shit going.

01:27:26.900 That's not putting the country first.

01:27:28.980 Well,

01:27:29.220 yeah.

01:27:29.440 The problem is it feels like the country hasn't been first for a long time.

01:27:32.520 And so people want a gangster.

01:27:34.480 So that's why I understand.

01:27:36.180 I understand too,

01:27:36.920 right?

01:27:37.060 You explained it better than anybody,

01:27:38.920 right?

01:27:39.120 The way you said it to me was the only thing that I've been told,

01:27:42.160 okay,

01:27:42.420 I get that,

01:27:43.100 right?

01:27:43.680 You know,

01:27:44.000 or like my buddy who said,

01:27:44.940 I'm tired of voting for politicians.

01:27:46.480 I get that,

01:27:47.700 but I don't know if that's who Donald Trump is these days.

01:27:51.060 Yeah.

01:27:51.840 Yeah.

01:27:52.600 I mean,

01:27:53.040 look,

01:27:53.260 it's interesting.

01:27:53.860 And that's why it's,

01:27:54.600 you know,

01:27:54.940 it's fun to talk about and think about.

01:27:56.880 Yeah.

01:27:57.060 No,

01:27:57.380 just to have a good conversation.

01:27:59.200 Yeah.

01:27:59.820 No yelling,

01:28:00.380 no screaming.

01:28:01.380 And I totally respect your thoughts.

01:28:02.940 And I respect a lot of your insight.

01:28:04.980 Vice versa.

01:28:05.220 You know,

01:28:06.080 a hundred percent.

01:28:07.060 Yeah.

01:28:07.240 And I would love to be able to have her on.

01:28:08.620 They reached out like last week about it.

01:28:10.760 Oh,

01:28:10.940 cool.

01:28:11.320 And so we've been,

01:28:12.040 who reached out,

01:28:12.480 you know,

01:28:12.980 I'm not sure how to check with my buddy,

01:28:15.020 Zach,

01:28:15.420 you know,

01:28:15.760 but,

01:28:16.000 or just email me who reached out and I'll find out,

01:28:18.380 but,

01:28:18.420 but it'd be,

01:28:19.020 put in a good word for you.

01:28:19.900 Yeah.

01:28:20.020 It'd be interesting,

01:28:20.720 you know,

01:28:21.040 just to,

01:28:21.880 I think,

01:28:22.220 cause the toughest thing as like a regular person who just can go vote.

01:28:27.440 It's like,

01:28:28.080 you've just,

01:28:28.760 even more these days,

01:28:30.440 you want to try and figure out who is this person?

01:28:34.140 You know,

01:28:34.940 you obviously have a lot of like thoughts and creativity and you've had success.

01:28:40.000 Do you feel like running for office?

01:28:42.620 Have you thought about it?

01:28:43.260 Fuck no.

01:28:44.080 I've thought about it.

01:28:44.780 Yeah.

01:28:44.900 I even looked into it.

01:28:45.760 Yeah.

01:28:45.900 But it's not going to happen.

01:28:47.000 Right.

01:28:47.420 All the shit that they're going through.

01:28:49.280 Right.

01:28:49.780 Like you just even mean on a human basis.

01:28:51.620 Yeah.

01:28:51.640 On a human basis.

01:28:52.400 Like,

01:28:52.700 why would I put my family through that?

01:28:53.960 Right.

01:28:54.840 Right.

01:28:55.060 And with cause plus I can have an impact.

01:28:56.840 Right.

01:28:57.280 And I just think I can do more outside than inside.

01:29:00.400 And I'm just not good at,

01:29:01.920 you know,

01:29:02.060 all the formalities and all that shit.

01:29:04.320 You know,

01:29:04.680 you're not,

01:29:05.380 I mean,

01:29:05.720 showing up at a state dinner in jeans and a t-shirt isn't going to work.

01:29:08.480 I don't know.

01:29:08.900 I think people would love it.

01:29:10.440 That would be me.

01:29:11.200 Oh,

01:29:11.600 I just think people would love that.

01:29:12.860 Yeah.

01:29:14.180 My wife would kill me.

01:29:15.500 What?

01:29:15.720 Did you ever ask her what she thought?

01:29:17.140 Yeah.

01:29:17.400 My family voted.

01:29:18.260 No,

01:29:18.600 no way.

01:29:18.920 You sat them down for one.

01:29:20.400 Yeah.

01:29:20.560 I sat them down for no one.

01:29:22.960 Yes.

01:29:23.840 Oh man.

01:29:25.240 Did you even try to lobby one of them to even help you?

01:29:27.700 Well,

01:29:28.120 my,

01:29:28.280 my son got into it a little bit,

01:29:29.740 but he was only like 13 at the time.

01:29:31.840 So it was more.

01:29:34.840 Yeah.

01:29:35.240 I guess what,

01:29:36.280 what moments or what,

01:29:37.320 what,

01:29:37.760 what is it the part of you that makes you feel like you want,

01:29:40.880 would want to do or could do it?

01:29:42.580 Because I just want to do the right thing.

01:29:44.340 Right.

01:29:44.840 You know,

01:29:45.860 if there's a deep state,

01:29:47.400 I don't need anything from anybody.

01:29:49.200 Right.

01:29:49.860 You can't buy me.

01:29:51.040 Right.

01:29:51.420 And I try to be smart about things.

01:29:53.940 I'm curious and I like to learn.

01:29:56.100 I want to listen and be open-minded.

01:29:59.560 And I think I've got approaches that have worked for me in the past,

01:30:02.920 but also are getting results now,

01:30:07.120 you know,

01:30:07.760 like the cost plus drug stuff.

01:30:09.540 I know how to change industries,

01:30:11.220 whether it was the streaming industry,

01:30:12.560 HDTV,

01:30:13.500 you know,

01:30:13.720 movies,

01:30:14.260 whatever it is,

01:30:15.060 any industry I've gotten into,

01:30:16.540 I've managed to kind of bubble to the top.

01:30:18.340 Yeah.

01:30:18.860 And,

01:30:19.780 you know,

01:30:20.320 and I also know,

01:30:21.120 you know,

01:30:21.520 to trust smart people,

01:30:23.180 to partner with people who know shit that I don't know,

01:30:25.460 how to,

01:30:25.760 you know,

01:30:25.980 how to compliment my skill sets.

01:30:28.040 I mean,

01:30:28.800 I,

01:30:29.160 maybe I'd be too honest about the whole thing,

01:30:31.620 but I think I could do a good job,

01:30:34.020 but there's just no way I'm putting my family through that.

01:30:36.100 Right.

01:30:37.040 So that's why,

01:30:37.920 maybe if you had an extra 15 years in your life,

01:30:39.840 you would think about it.

01:30:40.800 Um,

01:30:41.820 yeah,

01:30:42.080 but there's still my family.

01:30:43.180 Right.

01:30:43.660 And it's like,

01:30:44.960 like a lot.

01:30:45.900 Yeah.

01:30:46.080 I mean,

01:30:46.360 with,

01:30:46.720 when Clinton was president,

01:30:47.580 the worst he did was try to smoke dope.

01:30:49.220 Yeah.

01:30:49.460 Right.

01:30:50.080 You know,

01:30:50.500 and Obama,

01:30:52.020 he got that hammer too.

01:30:53.320 Yeah.

01:30:53.540 Right.

01:30:53.700 Well,

01:30:53.860 yeah.

01:30:54.020 But that was after the fact that he was already in.

01:30:55.960 Right.

01:30:56.300 Yeah.

01:30:57.480 But,

01:30:57.900 um,

01:30:58.580 I mean,

01:30:59.160 and was that,

01:30:59.660 I mean,

01:30:59.860 who knows?

01:31:00.240 Look,

01:31:00.460 I think if you're the president,

01:31:01.920 but he was married though.

01:31:03.280 Yeah.

01:31:03.720 That was why.

01:31:04.860 Whatever it was.

01:31:05.740 Right.

01:31:06.220 Yeah.

01:31:06.640 You know,

01:31:07.960 to get elected,

01:31:09.000 all he had to do was say,

01:31:09.760 I didn't inhale.

01:31:11.080 Right.

01:31:11.240 I know shit's totally different now.

01:31:12.800 Yeah.

01:31:12.980 Shit's way different.

01:31:14.020 You know,

01:31:14.280 you got pictures.

01:31:15.280 Yeah.

01:31:15.540 Your kids were here.

01:31:16.480 You were there doing this,

01:31:17.720 doing that.

01:31:18.580 It would put your family through.

01:31:20.100 Brutal.

01:31:20.640 Yeah.

01:31:21.020 Brutal.

01:31:21.660 So that's a big reason really.

01:31:23.460 Do you think that keeps a lot of people out of it?

01:31:25.240 Yeah,

01:31:25.400 for sure.

01:31:25.940 Wow.

01:31:26.420 For sure.

01:31:27.340 Like it is.

01:31:27.820 It's a scrutiny.

01:31:28.440 It's that media scrutiny that they,

01:31:29.980 I mean,

01:31:30.180 look at Kamala,

01:31:30.840 right?

01:31:31.160 She was 30 years old,

01:31:32.360 fucking a dude older,

01:31:33.200 right?

01:31:33.480 Or young.

01:31:33.820 She's in her twenties.

01:31:34.720 Montel Jordan or something.

01:31:35.820 Whatever.

01:31:36.180 Right.

01:31:36.340 Just having fun.

01:31:37.280 If it was me and you,

01:31:38.600 we'd be like,

01:31:39.180 let's go party with Kamala Montel,

01:31:41.300 right?

01:31:41.480 Let's go,

01:31:41.980 go,

01:31:42.300 let's go.

01:31:42.900 Right.

01:31:43.500 And now,

01:31:44.060 you know,

01:31:44.480 all the shit she goes through and that's not bad.

01:31:47.960 Right.

01:31:48.340 But imagine that,

01:31:49.460 you know,

01:31:49.680 she doesn't,

01:31:50.320 you know,

01:31:51.160 and even like her stepdaughter,

01:31:52.540 the one who was a little,

01:31:53.440 you know,

01:31:53.800 that has all the tattoos and shit that they were giving shit to.

01:31:56.560 Oh,

01:31:56.640 I haven't seen her.

01:31:57.380 Yeah.

01:31:57.660 Only because.

01:31:58.160 Oh wait,

01:31:58.380 I did see her.

01:31:59.960 Yeah.

01:32:00.380 They gave her shit because.

01:32:01.560 Yeah.

01:32:01.880 Like how she looks.

01:32:03.120 Yeah.

01:32:03.500 Yeah.

01:32:04.000 The tats and everything and all that and whatever.

01:32:06.880 Right.

01:32:07.280 I don't remember all the details.

01:32:07.920 Well yeah.

01:32:08.220 And remember the Barron Trump stories came out.

01:32:09.920 He has autism or he has Down syndrome or whatever.

01:32:12.000 You're like,

01:32:12.240 what are you talking about?

01:32:13.020 But I will tell you this one.

01:32:13.780 I went to the white house to visit Donald.

01:32:15.580 You know,

01:32:16.000 he was rambling around.

01:32:16.820 This was when he was in office.

01:32:18.220 Yeah.

01:32:18.460 And this is like 2019.

01:32:19.680 He's like,

01:32:20.080 da,

01:32:20.220 da,

01:32:20.320 da,

01:32:20.460 da,

01:32:20.680 da,

01:32:20.780 da.

01:32:21.020 And we were talking,

01:32:21.860 trying to talk about healthcare.

01:32:22.700 We went off in a bunch of different stuff.

01:32:24.300 He goes,

01:32:24.760 are you still on that show?

01:32:26.340 Shark,

01:32:26.800 whatever.

01:32:27.320 I'm like,

01:32:27.680 yeah.

01:32:27.920 He goes,

01:32:28.420 Barron loves that show.

01:32:29.600 I'm like,

01:32:29.920 tell Barron.

01:32:31.000 And he goes,

01:32:31.280 look,

01:32:31.460 that's his favorite show.

01:32:32.560 I'm like,

01:32:32.860 tell Barron thanks.

01:32:34.480 And then I'm walking out.

01:32:35.540 He goes,

01:32:36.280 wait.

01:32:36.740 I'm like,

01:32:37.060 what?

01:32:37.360 He goes,

01:32:37.800 that suit looks really good on you.

01:32:40.520 That's who he is,

01:32:41.320 right?

01:32:41.540 He's going to give compliments like that and shit like that.

01:32:43.740 Yeah.

01:32:46.100 What was I going to,

01:32:47.040 oh,

01:32:47.560 let's,

01:32:47.820 I want to talk about your,

01:32:49.540 your,

01:32:50.120 the drug company.

01:32:51.060 Cospersdrugs.com.

01:32:51.820 Okay.

01:32:52.180 Because yeah,

01:32:52.740 one of the toughest things is that people pay more.

01:32:56.760 Well,

01:32:57.220 first you,

01:32:58.640 you tell me what's the best order for this,

01:33:00.100 because we talked about like the insurance,

01:33:02.200 the scam that goes on between hospitals and insurers and regular people.

01:33:07.620 And then can you explain that to me?

01:33:09.840 And then tell me how your drug helps,

01:33:11.480 how the company helps.

01:33:12.460 So where we fit in all that.

01:33:13.240 Okay.

01:33:13.520 Okay.

01:33:13.740 So there's insurance.

01:33:17.880 Well,

01:33:18.040 it's the best way to explain it.

01:33:20.100 There's,

01:33:20.500 drugs that you take.

01:33:23.760 And then there's what they call providers,

01:33:25.520 the hospitals you go to,

01:33:26.760 right?

01:33:26.920 Okay.

01:33:27.140 So the hospitals you go to is the provider,

01:33:28.900 the provider,

01:33:29.320 right?

01:33:29.680 And then there's the payers,

01:33:31.220 which are the insurance companies.

01:33:32.720 Okay.

01:33:32.980 Right.

01:33:33.720 And the insurance companies try to do deals with the providers.

01:33:38.440 But they're not always up and up,

01:33:40.940 right?

01:33:41.180 The provider,

01:33:41.960 it's not the providers.

01:33:43.100 It's just the insurance companies have all the leverage because they have the

01:33:46.760 money,

01:33:47.120 right?

01:33:47.820 And hospitals are just trying to get all the business that they,

01:33:50.500 they can get.

01:33:51.360 And so there's all these games and arbitrages that are played over and over

01:33:56.540 and over again.

01:33:58.060 But what I think people don't realize is almost everybody with healthcare,

01:34:04.100 like where do you get your healthcare or do you just self-pay or do you have

01:34:06.780 insurance?

01:34:07.700 I have health insurance.

01:34:08.900 Through,

01:34:09.280 do you know?

01:34:09.700 I'm not sure,

01:34:10.540 but it costs $400 a month.

01:34:11.920 Okay.

01:34:12.140 So it's probably the ACA,

01:34:13.580 right?

01:34:13.940 The Obamacare,

01:34:15.260 right?

01:34:15.640 But you have a deductible,

01:34:16.940 right?

01:34:18.040 And let's just say for the shits and giggles,

01:34:20.180 that's $2,000 deductible.

01:34:22.880 For the hospital,

01:34:24.120 even though this insurance company is going to pay anything above $2,000,

01:34:27.800 you're responsible for that $2,000,

01:34:30.260 right?

01:34:30.740 And the hospital like is already not going to get paid on 50% of the

01:34:35.600 deductibles.

01:34:36.440 And so that's why you get a lot of this bad debt.

01:34:39.420 The insurance companies don't pay for the whole thing and they plan

01:34:43.080 everything.

01:34:43.460 So they don't have to pay for the whole thing.

01:34:45.740 And that creates a lot of medical debt.

01:34:49.500 And so there's a lot of that,

01:34:51.260 that the hospitals owe that known that,

01:34:53.020 that the individuals with the deductibles,

01:34:55.940 right?

01:34:56.540 Because they can't afford to pay their deductible.

01:34:58.400 Got it.

01:34:58.740 Right.

01:34:59.180 And so,

01:34:59.940 you know,

01:35:00.300 you have some disease and you can't afford your deductible,

01:35:03.800 which is $2,000.

01:35:04.860 It doesn't matter that it covers above $2,000,

01:35:07.280 right?

01:35:07.580 Because you can't pay the first $2,000,

01:35:09.400 right?

01:35:10.100 So that puts,

01:35:10.920 that puts people in a lot of fucked up situations and even hospitals,

01:35:14.660 the providers in such bad situations because a big part of their revenue

01:35:18.080 isn't getting paid.

01:35:19.580 Right.

01:35:20.560 And here's the insurance company not giving a fuck,

01:35:23.300 right?

01:35:23.600 They're just saying that's your problem,

01:35:25.160 not mine.

01:35:25.980 Right.

01:35:26.140 Right.

01:35:26.360 I'll pay you what I think I owe you maybe.

01:35:29.300 Right.

01:35:29.600 And so all that,

01:35:30.960 the insurance companies put pressure on the hospitals,

01:35:33.660 the providers,

01:35:34.320 the doctors,

01:35:35.020 and the doctors then put pressure on the patients.

01:35:37.820 That's where it's all fucked up.

01:35:39.360 Right.

01:35:39.780 And so what we're pushing for with the Harris campaign and in general is a

01:35:45.220 lot of that happens because there's no transparency.

01:35:47.940 Nobody knows what the contract is with between the insurance company and the

01:35:51.300 hospitals.

01:35:52.240 Nobody knows what the contract is between the insurance company and your

01:35:55.960 employer.

01:35:56.560 And so as a result,

01:35:58.200 the biggest companies have the most leverage and can fuck with everybody.

01:36:02.040 And that's where things go bad.

01:36:03.160 So what I'm saying is if you make every insurance contract and provider contract

01:36:08.620 public,

01:36:09.120 then all of a sudden people can understand.

01:36:12.380 Well,

01:36:12.520 it's called power to the patients.

01:36:13.520 Are you familiar with them?

01:36:14.280 Yeah.

01:36:14.780 Yeah.

01:36:15.120 Yeah.

01:36:15.280 There's a group out there called power to the patient that lobbies for price that

01:36:21.580 you have to know how much an MRI costs when you go to get it.

01:36:24.040 Right.

01:36:24.340 So that that way,

01:36:25.100 if the hospital says the MRI costs $700 and the one down the street is going to

01:36:29.020 have to say it costs six 50 and they're going to have to start to compete.

01:36:32.060 Right.

01:36:32.320 And they're going to have to start to compete.

01:36:33.600 Right.

01:36:33.920 And there's an executive order that says there have to do that.

01:36:36.460 Right.

01:36:36.640 And that was a good thing that Trump did,

01:36:38.220 but it wasn't enforced by the Biden administration.

01:36:41.060 Well,

01:36:41.220 because the penalty is only like a thousand dollars a day.

01:36:43.500 Ah,

01:36:43.940 so they'd rather pay the penalty.

01:36:45.060 Right.

01:36:45.400 Right.

01:36:45.760 And so like I,

01:36:46.800 I funded a study that had people call the hospitals to see if they can get

01:36:51.060 those cash prices.

01:36:52.120 Yeah.

01:36:52.360 Right.

01:36:52.620 And a lot of them didn't even know,

01:36:53.980 a third of them didn't even know what the cash prices were.

01:36:56.000 Right.

01:36:56.560 Wow.

01:36:56.960 So they're not being instructed.

01:36:58.220 It's not,

01:36:58.440 they just don't know.

01:36:59.180 Right.

01:36:59.360 Cause that's not,

01:37:00.060 they don't care.

01:37:00.600 That's not a big part of their business.

01:37:01.780 Right.

01:37:02.080 They want to get all the money from the insurance companies.

01:37:04.240 So anyways,

01:37:04.920 circling around to what we do.

01:37:06.840 Right.

01:37:07.820 So I got a cold email just like Thomas,

01:37:10.340 the pizza guy.

01:37:11.000 I got a cold email from a guy named Dr.

01:37:12.760 Alex.

01:37:13.500 And he said that there are a lot of generic drugs that were in short

01:37:18.460 supply and kids can't get their medicine and this and that.

01:37:21.160 And I'm like,

01:37:21.680 well,

01:37:21.900 what can we do about that?

01:37:23.320 And he's like,

01:37:23.680 well,

01:37:23.780 I want to do this thing called a compounding pharmacy where we can make

01:37:26.520 those drugs.

01:37:27.620 Right.

01:37:28.180 And so,

01:37:29.860 um,

01:37:30.200 and he's like,

01:37:30.540 I don't want to start a compounding pharmacy.

01:37:31.760 You guys can make those drugs that are in short supply.

01:37:33.740 I'm like,

01:37:33.980 that's cool,

01:37:34.440 but it's not thinking big enough.

01:37:36.200 So I'm like,

01:37:36.960 let me look at the pharmaceutical industry and the drug industry and see why so

01:37:41.660 many people can't afford them and what's going on.

01:37:43.700 So I looked at it and it was really obvious,

01:37:45.880 really fast that there's no transparency.

01:37:47.980 Right.

01:37:48.340 Because nobody,

01:37:49.560 you know,

01:37:49.700 just like you don't know when you go in,

01:37:51.480 you know,

01:37:51.700 for your MRI,

01:37:52.860 like doctor says,

01:37:54.000 Theo,

01:37:54.460 you need this medication.

01:37:56.560 You have no clue what the price is going to be.

01:37:58.840 The next question always,

01:38:00.080 what pharmacy are you using?

01:38:01.360 Right.

01:38:01.780 They're not saying,

01:38:02.460 can you afford it or anything?

01:38:03.660 Right.

01:38:04.140 So we decided to create this company called costplusdrugs.com.

01:38:08.180 And if you go to costplusdrugs.com and put in the name of a medication,

01:38:11.760 we don't have them all.

01:38:12.560 We have about 2,500.

01:38:14.000 We'll show you our cost,

01:38:15.720 our actual cost that we actually pay for it.

01:38:18.220 And then we market up 15%.

01:38:20.240 And then there's $5 shipping and handling to send it to you.

01:38:23.680 And then $5 for our pharmacy.

01:38:25.680 Or if you pick it up locally,

01:38:27.120 it's $12.

01:38:27.940 So the pharmacist makes money.

01:38:29.720 And because of that,

01:38:30.580 because of that transparency,

01:38:32.220 and only marketing up 15%,

01:38:34.000 our prices are dramatically lower.

01:38:37.140 And when the insurance companies are trying to rip people off,

01:38:40.180 like there's a drug called imatinib.

01:38:42.280 And if you don't come to us or some of the better pharmacies,

01:38:46.560 smaller pharmacies,

01:38:47.700 you might get charged $2,000 a month.

01:38:50.680 For us,

01:38:51.700 it might be $21 a month.

01:38:53.480 I had a buddy who takes this drug,

01:38:54.880 droxedopa.

01:38:56.100 And I didn't know what the fuck it was,

01:38:57.920 right?

01:38:58.180 A friend of ours emailed me and said,

01:39:00.520 Landon can't get this because-

01:39:01.620 Droxedopa?

01:39:02.420 Yeah.

01:39:02.600 I don't know what it is.

01:39:03.100 It sounds like a drug,

01:39:03.760 right?

01:39:03.900 It sounds like a free safety for Alabama too.

01:39:05.680 And so he was like,

01:39:08.580 he can't,

01:39:09.180 you know,

01:39:09.340 he lost his insurance and they're going to charge him $10,000 every three months.

01:39:12.640 I'm like-

01:39:13.400 That's crazy.

01:39:14.200 Crazy.

01:39:14.620 So I'm like,

01:39:14.980 let me see what we can get it for.

01:39:16.940 And go ahead and go to costplusdrugs.com and put in droxedopa.

01:39:21.260 And $64 for the three months.

01:39:25.360 And yeah,

01:39:26.320 you don't need to show that part.

01:39:27.320 Yeah.

01:39:27.780 Go to-

01:39:28.220 Yeah.

01:39:30.200 So go to see all medications and then droxedopa.

01:39:35.680 Now it's $14.

01:39:40.400 Put some Nicorette on there,

01:39:41.920 dude.

01:39:42.220 Right.

01:39:42.420 You just got the lights out of it.

01:39:44.360 Droxedopa,

01:39:44.820 so now it's $14.

01:39:45.660 So you guys,

01:39:46.600 because you're able to make the drugs yourself?

01:39:48.280 No,

01:39:48.660 because we're able to buy them in volume and because we only mark them up 15%.

01:39:52.240 Well,

01:39:52.900 why doesn't our own government do that to help us?

01:39:55.120 Well,

01:39:55.240 they're starting to now,

01:39:56.100 but see,

01:39:56.440 the problem was we publish our prices and we put out a price list.

01:40:00.020 Before we came along,

01:40:01.460 nobody else did.

01:40:02.220 So you're creating the fact that other people are now going to have to do that.

01:40:05.340 Right.

01:40:05.540 So now people see our prices and they're like,

01:40:07.680 okay,

01:40:08.060 millions of people are just going to costplusdrugs.com.

01:40:10.400 Right.

01:40:10.720 And the doctors are like,

01:40:12.020 fuck,

01:40:12.360 droxedopa,

01:40:12.880 $14.

01:40:13.660 Instead of this other place,

01:40:14.460 we're going to costplusdrugs.com.

01:40:17.300 Are all your drugs cheaper?

01:40:19.160 I'd say 99% of them are.

01:40:21.000 Yeah.

01:40:21.420 Every now and then there's one where we're not cheaper,

01:40:23.660 but every time we get,

01:40:25.400 as our volumes go up and our prices go down,

01:40:27.580 we pass it on.

01:40:28.460 So literally we've lowered our prices on every weekday since last August,

01:40:33.460 I guess it's been over a year now.

01:40:34.780 We've lowered our prices.

01:40:36.060 We've had some drug that has come in that we've been able to lower the price on.

01:40:39.640 Wow.

01:40:39.920 So anybody out there,

01:40:40.940 you,

01:40:41.400 your mom,

01:40:41.820 your dad,

01:40:42.200 your aunt,

01:40:42.500 your uncle,

01:40:42.920 your grandparents,

01:40:43.620 right?

01:40:44.240 Whatever drug you take,

01:40:45.420 if you're paying,

01:40:46.480 you know,

01:40:46.860 more than 15 bucks out of pocket,

01:40:49.240 go to costplusdrugs.com,

01:40:51.100 put in the name of it and see if we're cheaper.

01:40:53.720 I mean,

01:40:54.060 literally it's crushing it.

01:40:55.740 Right.

01:40:55.880 That's all it does.

01:40:56.620 That's all it takes to check it out.

01:40:57.900 That's it to go there and do it.

01:40:58.900 You just,

01:40:59.160 you just do it.

01:40:59.800 Right.

01:40:59.980 So like if you have a deductible,

01:41:01.880 we might be cheaper than your deductible and it's cheaper to pay cash with us.

01:41:05.080 Now,

01:41:05.220 can people run into problems?

01:41:06.440 Say if they're not supposed to get certain drugs,

01:41:08.360 is it easier to get those drugs through you guys?

01:41:10.420 No,

01:41:10.560 no,

01:41:10.660 no.

01:41:10.820 You still have to have a prescription.

01:41:12.000 Like Percocets or whatever.

01:41:12.800 No,

01:41:13.020 no,

01:41:13.140 no.

01:41:13.300 We don't do any controlled substances.

01:41:14.740 Okay.

01:41:15.200 Yeah.

01:41:15.860 Huh.

01:41:17.180 Wow,

01:41:17.560 man.

01:41:17.800 But how does our government,

01:41:18.820 how does the government allow you to be able to do that?

01:41:21.260 Well,

01:41:21.420 they can't stop me,

01:41:22.280 right?

01:41:22.720 Because it's just free markets.

01:41:23.940 They like it.

01:41:24.980 I'm glad that it's happening.

01:41:26.200 No,

01:41:26.380 they like it.

01:41:26.920 Right.

01:41:27.100 So now I'm talking to the Harris campaign and I'm saying,

01:41:29.680 look,

01:41:29.840 if we just do this transparency,

01:41:31.400 you guys can buy the same way we do.

01:41:33.600 Right.

01:41:34.160 And so there was a thing from the FTC who went after all these things called

01:41:37.760 these pharmacy benefit managers and just threw them under the bus and

01:41:40.800 sued them,

01:41:41.040 but they used our prices.

01:41:42.280 Right.

01:41:42.660 Now there's research in the lawsuit.

01:41:44.280 Yeah.

01:41:44.880 Yeah.

01:41:45.060 There's research from like Vanderbilt and Harvard saying if the government,

01:41:48.660 if Medicare bought at our prices,

01:41:50.680 they would save billions of dollars a year.

01:41:52.600 Right.

01:41:52.980 I mean,

01:41:53.400 literally immediately,

01:41:54.660 if some,

01:41:55.700 there's people out there that are struggling with their prices,

01:41:58.380 what they pay,

01:41:59.140 they switch to us.

01:42:00.160 They're going to save a fuck ton of money.

01:42:02.180 And they can just do that,

01:42:03.120 but it's their own choice.

01:42:04.040 They don't need their doctor's approval.

01:42:05.320 Well,

01:42:05.520 they need to get a prescription to send.

01:42:06.940 Okay.

01:42:07.140 So let's still need a prescription.

01:42:08.260 Right.

01:42:08.440 You still need to get.

01:42:09.160 But the doctor doesn't determine where they just usually say,

01:42:12.320 what's your local pharmacy?

01:42:13.760 Right.

01:42:13.940 And you just tell it.

01:42:14.920 Right.

01:42:15.120 And so you just say,

01:42:16.220 you know,

01:42:16.440 send it to costplusdrugs.com.

01:42:17.900 Yeah.

01:42:18.080 So in the system that the doctors use to create the prescription,

01:42:21.320 it lists us there and they just click on it and it's easy.

01:42:24.540 Wow.

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:25.340 No,

01:42:25.660 it's insane.

01:42:26.180 It's insane.

01:42:26.660 Like literally we only started June.

01:42:28.780 I mean,

01:42:29.080 January 19th of 2022.

01:42:30.880 So we've only been around a little bit more than two and a half years.

01:42:34.060 And we're just changing everything.

01:42:36.040 Is it publicly traded or no?

01:42:37.240 No,

01:42:37.380 no,

01:42:37.560 no.

01:42:37.740 It's probably,

01:42:38.040 I funded the whole thing.

01:42:39.100 Damn.

01:42:40.480 No.

01:42:40.700 Cause I don't want to have to worry about making people money.

01:42:43.160 Yeah.

01:42:43.440 Right.

01:42:43.600 Cause we're losing money now.

01:42:44.560 Not that much actually now.

01:42:46.420 But it's more important for me to fuck things up.

01:42:49.280 Right.

01:42:49.560 And to change things.

01:42:49.740 Oh,

01:42:49.840 so you like the fact that you're changing the industry.

01:42:52.480 Fuck yeah.

01:42:53.000 I love that.

01:42:53.800 No,

01:42:54.000 no.

01:42:54.260 Cause to me,

01:42:54.860 that's always the most fun.

01:42:55.900 Right.

01:42:56.360 So you got all the,

01:42:57.180 I mean the healthcare industry,

01:42:58.440 right.

01:42:58.680 If you know,

01:42:59.100 what's the one thing you want to go down in history for,

01:43:01.500 I fucked up the healthcare industry.

01:43:02.960 Right.

01:43:03.240 I made it so people could afford their,

01:43:04.700 their healthcare,

01:43:05.440 their medication.

01:43:06.040 And so,

01:43:06.820 and you know,

01:43:07.140 that's what we're doing with pharmaceuticals and medications.

01:43:09.580 We're also working on cost plus wellness,

01:43:11.540 which will deal with and kind of push out those insurance companies.

01:43:15.100 Cause most people like get their healthcare through their employer and most

01:43:18.940 employers,

01:43:19.480 particularly the big ones,

01:43:20.360 self-insure,

01:43:21.080 meaning they pay for all the costs out of pocket and they don't realize how

01:43:24.680 the employers,

01:43:25.760 the CEOs of those companies don't realize how badly they're getting ripped

01:43:28.700 off.

01:43:29.420 And so we're out there working on new programs now so that those employers

01:43:34.560 will figure it out.

01:43:35.320 We're starting with my companies.

01:43:36.580 And then we'll extend it out to other companies.

01:43:39.380 Yeah.

01:43:39.780 It's just crazy that I feel like it just needs overhauls of things,

01:43:43.420 you know,

01:43:43.960 and it's not that hard.

01:43:44.900 This is like,

01:43:45.780 this is the easiest industry I've ever disrupted.

01:43:48.320 Cause all we had to do was publish our price list.

01:43:50.220 Right.

01:43:50.660 Cause everybody else was hiding everything.

01:43:52.260 Right.

01:43:52.640 You talked before about shit happening behind the scenes.

01:43:54.940 Cause you go into the doctor,

01:43:56.100 you,

01:43:56.280 you go into the hospital,

01:43:57.040 you sign something that says,

01:43:58.700 I'm going to pay whatever you,

01:44:00.160 whatever you charge.

01:44:01.120 Yeah,

01:44:01.260 for sure.

01:44:01.620 And then you assume they're going to charge you the amount that the fairest amount

01:44:05.160 cause they are,

01:44:05.780 they're a fucking hospital.

01:44:06.960 They're supposed to take care of you.

01:44:08.620 You would think so.

01:44:09.280 Right.

01:44:09.480 And then they don't,

01:44:10.540 they charge.

01:44:10.860 Cause they want whatever they can.

01:44:12.540 But why do they do that?

01:44:14.320 Because they're getting fucked by the insurance companies.

01:44:16.420 Got it.

01:44:16.780 Right.

01:44:16.980 And they know that if you complain about the price,

01:44:20.220 they'll reduce it.

01:44:21.700 Right.

01:44:22.620 So,

01:44:23.060 but then you have to,

01:44:23.760 you're already sick.

01:44:24.600 Now you have to spend the next 17 weeks of your life.

01:44:28.060 Right.

01:44:28.340 Dealing with that shit.

01:44:29.000 Right.

01:44:29.260 Arguing with someone who's been trained how to argue against you.

01:44:32.940 Exactly.

01:44:33.600 Exactly.

01:44:34.020 Right.

01:44:34.280 And that's what we're going to fuck up.

01:44:35.140 In another country most of the time.

01:44:36.820 Actually,

01:44:37.180 some of it's here.

01:44:37.780 A lot of medical billing is here.

01:44:38.860 Yeah.

01:44:39.260 But then you,

01:44:39.820 no,

01:44:40.020 if you're calling in,

01:44:40.680 yeah,

01:44:40.820 and it's over there.

01:44:41.460 Yeah,

01:44:41.600 for sure.

01:44:41.940 Then they feel horrible.

01:44:42.800 Then the,

01:44:43.160 the person arguing against you,

01:44:44.780 the person,

01:44:45.320 the employee feels horrible.

01:44:46.980 I know that they're,

01:44:47.640 they're fucking you over.

01:44:48.460 They're fucking you over,

01:44:49.220 but they're just trying to make their money to go home.

01:44:50.960 From the hospital side of it.

01:44:51.960 Right.

01:44:52.240 The hospital has to have way too many employees to deal with the insurance company.

01:44:55.880 And the insurance company says,

01:44:57.200 okay,

01:44:57.360 we know this is what we're supposed to owe for when Theo took his kid in there.

01:45:00.420 Right.

01:45:00.940 But we're not going to pay you the full amount.

01:45:02.360 If you don't like that,

01:45:03.120 sue us.

01:45:03.460 And then they sue them.

01:45:04.360 So now they have to have a shitload of doctors.

01:45:05.940 Right.

01:45:06.560 So what we're saying is we're going to these places and saying,

01:45:08.800 we're going to do a contract.

01:45:10.060 We're going to do just cash.

01:45:11.260 Right.

01:45:11.480 So there's no fucking around with the insurance companies.

01:45:13.380 And we're going to publish all the contracts so that everybody can compare notes and figure

01:45:18.760 out the best way to do it.

01:45:19.880 Yeah.

01:45:20.760 Well,

01:45:21.140 that was,

01:45:21.460 I mean,

01:45:21.580 there was an executive order that said that they have to do that.

01:45:24.460 Right.

01:45:24.640 But it's not being enforced.

01:45:25.860 Well,

01:45:26.140 they do a little bit,

01:45:27.240 but like,

01:45:27.980 like we said earlier,

01:45:30.100 they've not at a level where it's helping,

01:45:32.000 where people are like,

01:45:32.720 they should have a commercial.

01:45:33.700 The government should buy a commercial every week that runs a hundred times that says right

01:45:37.840 now you have to,

01:45:38.800 Trump administration announced historic price transparency requirements to increase competition

01:45:42.520 and lower healthcare costs.

01:45:43.340 Yeah.

01:45:43.440 They said,

01:45:43.880 so they said,

01:45:44.340 I think for a hundred of the most,

01:45:45.940 something not good that Trump did.

01:45:47.160 No,

01:45:47.300 it was good.

01:45:47.680 No,

01:45:47.800 I'm not saying Trump did everything bad.

01:45:49.140 Right.

01:45:49.560 But this is one of the good things he did.

01:45:51.220 but yeah,

01:45:53.220 this is one of the things I think at the back then it was a hundred of the top services.

01:45:57.620 Now it's 500,

01:45:58.540 I think.

01:45:59.820 And it's growing.

01:46:00.600 It's growing.

01:46:01.180 That has to do it.

01:46:02.220 Right.

01:46:02.540 But how do we enforce it?

01:46:03.740 That it's not being enforced.

01:46:04.780 Well,

01:46:05.020 so it's not so much enforcing that,

01:46:07.840 right?

01:46:08.220 Because if they put up shitty prices,

01:46:09.720 it doesn't matter.

01:46:10.580 If you show prices that are too expensive for everybody,

01:46:13.260 you know,

01:46:13.680 it doesn't matter.

01:46:14.520 And so you want to be able to have the whole,

01:46:17.280 the,

01:46:17.740 the whole contract published so that everybody who's responsible,

01:46:21.220 responsible for paying,

01:46:22.100 not only sees that price,

01:46:22.980 but how it got to that price.

01:46:24.220 Right.

01:46:24.360 And then people can create software and apps and this and that,

01:46:27.320 that can truly help you because most people do have some kind of insurance,

01:46:31.620 right?

01:46:32.060 Like only 11% of people don't,

01:46:34.260 or they have high deductible plans.

01:46:36.440 And if you have a high deductible plan,

01:46:38.480 you don't quite know what you're going to end up paying out of pocket anyways,

01:46:41.560 even if they tell you that it's only 750 for the MRI or 250 for the MRI.

01:46:46.340 Right.

01:46:46.520 So that's,

01:46:46.920 that's an important part of it,

01:46:48.240 but it's that much of it.

01:46:49.140 It's just interesting.

01:46:51.380 It's just tough that you have to figure out how am I getting screwed all the

01:46:54.660 time?

01:46:55.020 It's brutal.

01:46:55.640 It's brutal,

01:46:56.140 but that's the opportunity for me.

01:46:58.080 Right.

01:46:58.420 Because Paul Rivera pills.

01:47:00.020 We'll call you.

01:47:00.600 Let's go.

01:47:02.020 That's good.

01:47:03.100 A couple of quick questions before you get out of here,

01:47:04.980 man.

01:47:06.660 Why did you sell the maps?

01:47:08.020 Just so people know.

01:47:10.160 Kids.

01:47:11.300 It was time.

01:47:12.540 More time with my family.

01:47:13.800 It was just,

01:47:16.420 you know,

01:47:16.640 and the fact that to compete was probably was as important a family in order for

01:47:20.500 me to compete.

01:47:22.000 You got to generate more revenues.

01:47:23.960 And when it was technology and media,

01:47:26.300 I knew that shit cold,

01:47:27.420 but now it's like building casinos,

01:47:29.900 building,

01:47:30.380 you know,

01:47:30.640 you see what happens with the Titan stadium and all the shit they put around it.

01:47:33.580 Right.

01:47:34.280 That's not me.

01:47:34.900 I'm not a real estate guy and I don't want to have to learn.

01:47:37.160 I don't want to have to put up $2 billion to figure out if I'm doing it right

01:47:40.520 or not.

01:47:40.860 And so I brought in a great partner,

01:47:42.200 Patrick Dumont and the Adelson family who are big Trump supporters.

01:47:47.540 And so they,

01:47:49.440 they're just better at it than I am.

01:47:50.740 And so I thought that put the Mavs in a better position and it didn't suck

01:47:53.640 that I got all that money.

01:47:55.340 Oh,

01:47:55.720 it's selling it.

01:47:56.180 You mean?

01:47:56.400 Yeah.

01:47:56.680 Yeah.

01:47:57.000 I mean,

01:47:57.240 it's still on 27% and I'm still involved.

01:47:59.200 So got it.

01:47:59.660 It's a win-win.

01:48:00.520 Was there another team that you wanted to buy recently?

01:48:02.500 What about a WNBA team?

01:48:03.940 No,

01:48:04.280 not,

01:48:04.560 not really.

01:48:04.960 Cause it was more about just spending more time.

01:48:07.020 So that's just another.

01:48:08.340 Yeah.

01:48:08.520 Cause there's a lot of pressure,

01:48:09.720 right?

01:48:09.940 Cause if I want to do it,

01:48:11.000 I want to win.

01:48:11.640 Right.

01:48:12.000 And I still,

01:48:12.840 like I said,

01:48:13.140 I own 27% of the Mavs.

01:48:14.540 Right.

01:48:14.720 That's fun.

01:48:15.340 Yeah.

01:48:15.540 That's still big time.

01:48:16.680 That's enough fun.

01:48:17.440 Yeah.

01:48:17.940 How much did you pay in fines during your NBA time?

01:48:20.660 Three,

01:48:21.100 four,

01:48:21.520 5 million.

01:48:22.200 I have no idea.

01:48:23.600 What was your biggest fine?

01:48:25.760 Um,

01:48:26.380 fuck.

01:48:30.360 I think it was $600,000.

01:48:32.860 Um,

01:48:33.680 so I grew up,

01:48:34.780 like I told you,

01:48:35.140 I grew up in Pittsburgh and my biggest basketball crush was Julius Irving,

01:48:38.680 Dr.

01:48:38.980 J.

01:48:39.400 Right.

01:48:39.940 And so he had me,

01:48:41.440 Oh,

01:48:41.560 wait,

01:48:41.720 it was,

01:48:42.340 Oh,

01:48:42.460 that was,

01:48:42.780 you know,

01:48:42.860 that was bigger.

01:48:43.380 Right.

01:48:43.660 Okay.

01:48:43.860 So we rested these guys.

01:48:45.340 Yeah.

01:48:45.500 So I forgot about this one.

01:48:48.060 And so the end of two seasons ago,

01:48:50.120 we,

01:48:50.420 we weren't going to make the playoffs and we rested our best playoff players.

01:48:53.760 And even though every other team had been doing it,

01:48:56.820 they fucked with me and find me for 750 grand.

01:48:59.160 Damn.

01:48:59.860 Because why?

01:49:00.480 Because fans are coming.

01:49:01.360 The best players should be on the court.

01:49:02.440 No,

01:49:02.700 not necessarily.

01:49:03.380 I mean,

01:49:03.700 because like when a team is bad,

01:49:05.380 they will do what they can to get a better draft pick.

01:49:08.280 Cause that's how you're going to get good.

01:49:09.360 So we weren't going to do it.

01:49:11.180 And they said we waited too long.

01:49:12.520 Right.

01:49:12.980 Like other teams might tank halfway through the season.

01:49:15.260 They might tank three quarters of the way,

01:49:16.840 but because we did it with three games left,

01:49:18.380 they thought that was wrong.

01:49:19.700 I was pissed when I got that one.

01:49:21.220 Dude,

01:49:21.420 I would have been Jesus Christ.

01:49:22.820 I would have been pissed and sleeping outside.

01:49:24.740 Cause I would have,

01:49:25.760 yeah,

01:49:25.940 I would have been living outside then.

01:49:27.140 was there one player you always wanted to get that you couldn't get?

01:49:32.780 I mean,

01:49:32.960 I was like Shaq.

01:49:33.900 Shaq was my guy.

01:49:34.700 Shaq was like,

01:49:35.340 come get me.

01:49:36.260 Come get me.

01:49:38.220 I have a house in Dallas.

01:49:39.860 Come get me.

01:49:41.040 I tried Shaq.

01:49:43.500 That'd have been fascinating having Shaq over there.

01:49:46.900 I've heard you talk about crypto a lot.

01:49:48.820 Do you think it's a big part of our future or do you not?

01:49:51.020 I think it can be.

01:49:51.880 I think we don't know for sure yet.

01:49:53.220 Okay.

01:49:53.460 I think on one hand,

01:49:54.440 Bitcoin is like the new gold,

01:49:55.940 right?

01:49:56.340 Because it's easy to own.

01:49:59.140 It's easy to use apps to deal with it and everything.

01:50:01.420 And I think that's a huge plus as opposed to gold where you've got,

01:50:04.260 it's just more difficult to deal with.

01:50:05.840 And ain't nobody going to carry a brick of gold,

01:50:07.800 right?

01:50:08.000 If shit hits the fan.

01:50:08.720 Yeah.

01:50:09.160 Right.

01:50:09.640 What are you gonna do?

01:50:10.120 Hey,

01:50:10.340 this is my gold.

01:50:11.100 You know,

01:50:11.420 not going to work.

01:50:13.000 A couple of brothers might actually,

01:50:14.540 dude.

01:50:14.720 I know one of my dogs.

01:50:16.520 Oh,

01:50:16.800 really?

01:50:17.580 Oh yeah.

01:50:18.000 I know a couple of dogs roll around with a brick maybe,

01:50:20.080 but yeah,

01:50:20.440 but it's just going to create controversy.

01:50:22.200 Different kind of brick.

01:50:22.780 I'm talking about gold.

01:50:23.640 Oh yeah.

01:50:24.280 Yeah.

01:50:24.600 But yeah,

01:50:26.960 people would be trying to attack you for it.

01:50:28.780 Yeah.

01:50:28.820 Yeah.

01:50:29.080 Right.

01:50:29.300 So,

01:50:29.560 so I see Bitcoin is having a good future,

01:50:31.640 right?

01:50:32.360 I think for all,

01:50:33.280 there's a lot of good reasons.

01:50:34.280 I think Ethereum and some of the other ones are dependent on the

01:50:37.140 applications built around them.

01:50:38.320 So like there's DeFi,

01:50:39.960 which is as a real place so that people can easily trade,

01:50:44.280 borrow,

01:50:44.920 loan money and make some money or save,

01:50:46.760 you know,

01:50:46.960 borrow money.

01:50:47.560 I think that's been around a while and that works okay,

01:50:49.880 but it's kind of a stable app.

01:50:52.200 But we really haven't seen that app.

01:50:54.500 That's like the Instagram app,

01:50:56.060 right?

01:50:56.380 Like when,

01:50:57.060 when iPhones first came out or the,

01:50:59.320 the app store first came out,

01:51:01.120 right?

01:51:02.100 There was no one app,

01:51:03.340 right?

01:51:03.500 Then Instagram came along,

01:51:04.700 Snapchat came along,

01:51:05.640 and then the app store blew up,

01:51:07.260 right?

01:51:07.820 There was apps,

01:51:08.340 apps,

01:51:08.540 apps,

01:51:08.760 apps.

01:51:09.040 We haven't seen that one app that everybody has to use.

01:51:11.680 Yeah.

01:51:12.120 Not for,

01:51:12.580 yeah.

01:51:12.760 For crypto.

01:51:13.900 And when that happens,

01:51:14.600 it'll make it a lot more common.

01:51:15.800 Right.

01:51:16.260 It's a great point.

01:51:17.020 And I really thought about that.

01:51:18.460 What's something on the radars that nobody's seeing right now?

01:51:20.920 People are talking about AI and Ozempic prices and,

01:51:24.260 you know,

01:51:25.060 women selling illegal Ozempic outside of vineyard vines and all kinds of

01:51:28.760 stuff.

01:51:29.220 Yeah,

01:51:29.380 it's happening.

01:51:30.420 And people are talking about the border and politics and,

01:51:33.580 but what's something that you think gets on your radar?

01:51:35.340 That's like a big issue that nobody's talking about.

01:51:38.280 I think it's more AI than people realize.

01:51:40.020 Yeah.

01:51:40.360 Yeah.

01:51:40.560 I think AI is going to go a lot further.

01:51:43.140 I mean,

01:51:44.220 as processing speeds go like that and the capabilities of AI go like that,

01:51:49.080 the context wins all this other bullshit.

01:51:51.860 Do you have,

01:51:52.400 you have a kid?

01:51:53.140 I don't have any children.

01:51:53.940 Oh,

01:51:54.040 I thought you had one.

01:51:54.320 I will have one one day,

01:51:55.220 but I don't have any.

01:51:55.720 I got to get a wife.

01:51:56.720 Yeah.

01:51:57.140 First things first,

01:51:57.900 right?

01:51:58.020 Yeah.

01:51:58.980 And so like if,

01:52:00.660 if you just had a kid tomorrow,

01:52:02.240 let's just say,

01:52:02.780 right.

01:52:03.880 And you start collecting all the videos and pictures and things.

01:52:07.880 And over time,

01:52:09.020 it turns into emails and texts.

01:52:10.540 You're going to put that all in AI.

01:52:12.140 And your little kid,

01:52:13.160 when he's seven,

01:52:13.780 eight years old is going to have,

01:52:15.320 you know,

01:52:15.860 an invisible friend.

01:52:16.940 That's an AI.

01:52:18.420 It's some crazy shit.

01:52:19.540 That's going to happen.

01:52:20.180 Oh,

01:52:20.200 because it'll be all the information you'd want him to know.

01:52:22.880 Yeah,

01:52:23.280 exactly.

01:52:23.760 Right.

01:52:24.100 Right.

01:52:24.340 And can talk to you when you're not there instead of them just going on

01:52:27.420 Instagram or whatever,

01:52:28.840 Snapchat,

01:52:29.400 it's going to be like,

01:52:30.840 like you can be,

01:52:31.400 so say you could take like a,

01:52:32.580 say there was like an orb that went in your child's room,

01:52:34.920 like an actual thing you plugged in,

01:52:36.240 like a thing,

01:52:37.440 um,

01:52:37.980 a fixture.

01:52:38.840 And you could load in through AI,

01:52:40.980 like put in these 20 books,

01:52:43.100 this orb should have this knowledge.

01:52:44.480 Yeah.

01:52:44.860 It wouldn't even be an orb.

01:52:45.840 It'll be somebody that looks like a somebody.

01:52:47.360 Oh,

01:52:47.460 I see what you're saying.

01:52:48.120 So a actual figure,

01:52:49.560 it could be an hologram.

01:52:50.580 Yeah.

01:52:51.020 Of someone.

01:52:51.760 And if my child has any questions,

01:52:53.380 they can ask.

01:52:53.840 And now fast forward 40 years where you're taking all the stuff about the,

01:52:57.000 the child.

01:52:57.800 Right.

01:52:58.060 Right.

01:52:58.440 And so now that information as well,

01:52:59.960 so he'll know how to best relate to the child.

01:53:01.480 Right.

01:53:01.520 Or things you remember is all,

01:53:03.080 every membrane you ever had.

01:53:03.900 I remember when we were at the park.

01:53:05.500 Right.

01:53:05.880 Or,

01:53:06.100 you know,

01:53:06.340 when was that time I went with dad to,

01:53:08.420 there it is.

01:53:09.380 Right.

01:53:09.660 And then when he hits 80 and dies or a hundred to say and dies,

01:53:13.200 right.

01:53:14.260 You've got that,

01:53:15.080 that fake Joe,

01:53:16.860 little Joey,

01:53:17.600 right.

01:53:18.040 Who just died and lives forever.

01:53:20.600 It's going to be insane.

01:53:22.100 So you'd be able to literally,

01:53:23.540 as you're laying in bed at night,

01:53:24.820 you could turn your grandparents on,

01:53:26.320 on the wall through some sort of a projector machine and talk to them.

01:53:29.020 Like they're still there.

01:53:29.840 Wow.

01:53:30.140 Or a hologram.

01:53:30.880 Yeah.

01:53:31.440 It's going to be insane.

01:53:33.640 Was there ever,

01:53:34.200 I had an invention,

01:53:35.000 dude,

01:53:35.140 did you ever have an invention that you wanted to get done,

01:53:37.300 but you never had the time?

01:53:38.180 Not really.

01:53:40.340 Cause I'm not that creative.

01:53:41.340 Really?

01:53:41.660 Yeah.

01:53:41.820 I'm creative business wise,

01:53:43.240 but what's your,

01:53:44.040 what's yours?

01:53:44.520 I used to think that they like 15 years ago,

01:53:46.460 I started thinking,

01:53:47.040 well,

01:53:47.140 what if they had on your dashboard,

01:53:49.060 you could put in something like a CD or something.

01:53:51.260 And on your dashboard,

01:53:53.020 a hologram,

01:53:53.800 the band would perform on your dashboard.

01:53:56.120 It'd be a little bit of a distraction,

01:53:57.500 but it's cool.

01:53:57.880 It'd be a little distraction,

01:53:58.440 but I thought it'd be sewed up and you can make it over by the passenger.

01:54:00.780 Yeah.

01:54:01.960 But imagine if like a little boost.

01:54:04.000 You can do that shit now.

01:54:05.280 You can do that shit.

01:54:06.060 That was one thing I thought.

01:54:07.780 And then I thought if they had a dog collars that,

01:54:10.360 cause there's a dog that kind of howls behind my house a lot.

01:54:13.740 If you could synchronize them,

01:54:15.540 you get the neighborhood or regional,

01:54:17.020 you get them all the same collar.

01:54:18.280 And then they sync and it makes them howl like a song.

01:54:21.200 So you put that together and come on Shark Tank then.

01:54:25.140 But like organized,

01:54:26.680 like,

01:54:26.800 you know,

01:54:27.120 they would do it like.

01:54:28.060 So you know where he's at by the,

01:54:29.260 the,

01:54:29.520 so that's cool.

01:54:30.960 Right.

01:54:31.100 So if you have like that dog and another dog down the street,

01:54:33.360 the collar would have them both howl at the same time.

01:54:35.240 So you would have almost like the whole,

01:54:36.960 like a little symphony of dogs.

01:54:38.520 That's funny as fuck.

01:54:39.460 Yeah.

01:54:39.600 If you could do that regionally.

01:54:40.740 So you say you're on the porch,

01:54:41.860 you're relaxing with your wife,

01:54:43.040 you're sitting there in the swing and you could just put program a little,

01:54:45.840 you know,

01:54:46.040 some Beethoven and then all the hounds started heating up.

01:54:50.480 Yeah.

01:54:51.080 Oh,

01:54:51.420 that was a thought that I had.

01:54:53.800 Right before you go.

01:54:54.580 What's if there's a young guy who's out there,

01:54:56.680 what's,

01:54:56.960 what's the best advice you would look back and honestly give yourself?

01:54:59.180 I know it's such a generic question,

01:55:00.460 but we have a lot of young men on who listen to our podcast who are curious

01:55:04.580 about what's something they can do to hedge their bets for the future and,

01:55:08.900 and to best take care of themselves.

01:55:10.780 Like,

01:55:11.620 you know,

01:55:12.320 fine.

01:55:13.100 I think like I was the same way.

01:55:14.980 Like you always think,

01:55:15.960 Oh,

01:55:16.040 this is not the job,

01:55:17.080 right?

01:55:17.680 You know,

01:55:18.120 this is not where I want to be.

01:55:19.360 And I got fired or quit or did a bunch of jobs.

01:55:21.780 Right.

01:55:22.200 And I think if I were going to do that again,

01:55:24.900 I would try to be a lot.

01:55:26.740 I try to be really good at all those jobs.

01:55:28.760 Right.

01:55:29.300 Because a,

01:55:30.380 when you get really good at something that opens up doors for you.

01:55:32.920 Right.

01:55:33.360 Even if you're flipping burgers,

01:55:34.860 right.

01:55:35.320 If you're sweet,

01:55:35.740 if you're the best at it,

01:55:37.080 someone's going to recognize it.

01:55:38.260 Right.

01:55:38.560 And if it's not the boss you have right there and then like dude fires you or

01:55:41.860 whatever,

01:55:42.820 you're going to,

01:55:43.340 you're still going to be good for the next one.

01:55:44.800 Right.

01:55:45.220 A hundred percent.

01:55:45.680 And when you learn how to be good at something,

01:55:47.740 then you can learn how to be good at other things.

01:55:50.500 And then,

01:55:51.040 because the hard part really is finding somebody that you'd love to do that

01:55:54.280 you can be great at.

01:55:55.560 Right.

01:55:55.880 Cause you never thought you'd be doing podcasting.

01:55:57.580 Right.

01:55:57.860 No.

01:55:58.200 And you're great at it.

01:55:58.940 But once you find it,

01:55:59.920 right,

01:56:00.200 that's when the shit happens.

01:56:01.680 Yeah.

01:56:02.000 Yeah.

01:56:02.180 It took me years to figure it out.

01:56:04.000 It takes all of us years to figure it out.

01:56:05.820 Right.

01:56:06.600 You know,

01:56:07.180 I.

01:56:07.560 Right.

01:56:07.680 And give yourself some grace that you're figuring it out.

01:56:10.000 Like.

01:56:10.040 You don't have to figure out shit when you're 18,

01:56:11.680 19,

01:56:12.000 20,

01:56:12.260 21,

01:56:12.660 22.

01:56:12.980 You don't know shit.

01:56:13.620 Just don't get somebody pregnant and have fun.

01:56:15.240 Right,

01:56:15.280 right,

01:56:15.400 right.

01:56:15.600 Don't get thrown in jail.

01:56:16.600 Don't get thrown.

01:56:17.080 Yeah.

01:56:17.280 Don't do shit that's going to,

01:56:18.660 you know,

01:56:19.020 hold you back.

01:56:20.040 Right.

01:56:20.760 But,

01:56:21.520 you know,

01:56:22.100 and then I'd add,

01:56:23.060 be curious.

01:56:24.620 Right.

01:56:25.500 Because the more you learn,

01:56:26.980 the more doors open up for you.

01:56:28.820 Be agile.

01:56:29.520 Right.

01:56:29.740 Be able to,

01:56:30.460 to,

01:56:31.140 you know,

01:56:31.940 bob and weave when shit hits you.

01:56:34.760 Right.

01:56:35.140 Because it's going to,

01:56:36.180 you know.

01:56:37.620 And again,

01:56:38.300 if you just can find something you can be really good at,

01:56:41.360 no matter what it is,

01:56:42.680 nobody quits anything they're really good at.

01:56:45.360 That's a great line.

01:56:46.340 Because that,

01:56:46.780 that's when you get the satisfaction.

01:56:48.400 I'm the best motherfucking,

01:56:49.940 whatever it is.

01:56:51.060 Yeah.

01:56:51.480 Right.

01:56:52.020 And somebody is going to want to pay me because I'm the best.

01:56:54.560 Yeah.

01:56:55.620 Yeah.

01:56:55.940 And somebody will in a lot of,

01:56:57.180 yeah.

01:56:57.280 Like,

01:56:57.820 because we have,

01:56:58.760 once you start having employees,

01:56:59.760 you start looking for better employees in different spots.

01:57:02.120 And then I bet it becomes a problem.

01:57:03.820 People trying to poach your employees.

01:57:05.120 Has that ever happened?

01:57:05.740 Yeah,

01:57:05.860 of course.

01:57:06.420 Yeah,

01:57:06.560 of course.

01:57:06.840 And you just got to,

01:57:07.500 you know,

01:57:07.700 try to connect with them better.

01:57:08.860 And I mean,

01:57:09.640 look,

01:57:10.080 I'm horrible at hiring people.

01:57:11.700 And so I always try to get somebody who's good at it.

01:57:13.680 Cause I'm,

01:57:14.500 I'm a softie,

01:57:15.280 right?

01:57:16.040 Theo.

01:57:16.500 Yeah.

01:57:16.800 It's,

01:57:17.140 you know,

01:57:17.340 you,

01:57:17.540 Theo sells me on why he wants to,

01:57:18.820 you'll be great,

01:57:19.660 Theo.

01:57:20.020 And then,

01:57:20.620 you know,

01:57:21.480 I heard you say in an interview one time,

01:57:22.980 you said,

01:57:23.440 get on the job,

01:57:25.040 learn it for three months,

01:57:26.320 do the,

01:57:26.800 be the best fucking person at it.

01:57:28.820 And then at six months,

01:57:30.300 if you are the killer at it,

01:57:32.420 it might've been a sales job,

01:57:33.400 but go into your boss and say,

01:57:35.500 I need a higher percentage.

01:57:36.740 I'm going to go do this on my own.

01:57:38.820 Fuck.

01:57:39.040 Yeah.

01:57:39.220 Right.

01:57:40.380 So you need to,

01:57:41.040 it's a good strategy.

01:57:41.920 It's good.

01:57:42.220 It's just good to have that mindset.

01:57:43.980 If you work hard,

01:57:45.400 you can something,

01:57:46.280 you can figure it out.

01:57:47.320 And if you can learn to sell,

01:57:48.480 you always have a job.

01:57:49.620 Oh,

01:57:49.820 selling so hard.

01:57:51.060 It's not though.

01:57:51.820 Like I was like,

01:57:53.120 I started selling when I was like 12 years old.

01:57:55.140 Oh yeah.

01:57:55.580 Then you have it.

01:57:56.320 Yeah.

01:57:56.540 And I always looked at it at like,

01:57:57.900 okay,

01:57:58.060 I'm just trying to help somebody.

01:57:59.340 Whatever,

01:57:59.760 whatever I got,

01:58:00.260 like I sold garbage bags,

01:58:01.280 door to door.

01:58:01.700 I sold magazines.

01:58:02.940 And I remember,

01:58:04.400 you know,

01:58:04.700 Theo,

01:58:05.080 look,

01:58:05.360 I'm selling you this,

01:58:06.320 all these five magazines for $10 a month.

01:58:09.000 You know,

01:58:09.340 when you tell your wife,

01:58:10.360 you spend $10 a month on the education and enjoyment of,

01:58:13.680 your entire family that puts them in the position to get better grades at

01:58:17.740 school,

01:58:18.240 you know,

01:58:18.840 she's going to thank you for it.

01:58:20.340 Yeah.

01:58:20.660 Sign that shit up.

01:58:21.460 Right.

01:58:21.620 So if you just look at it as helping somebody.

01:58:23.900 That's a good point.

01:58:24.940 Yeah.

01:58:25.140 That's a good point.

01:58:25.720 If you don't think of it as I'm selling,

01:58:26.860 if you believe in what you're selling to probably helps.

01:58:28.980 That sure helps.

01:58:29.700 Right.

01:58:30.100 But you can,

01:58:30.680 you should sell a full alphabet up to the people in Pittsburgh.

01:58:34.140 Cause they're only using half of it up there.

01:58:37.500 Oh yeah.

01:58:38.140 I love it.

01:58:38.520 There's people up there only using half of it.

01:58:40.520 Um,

01:58:41.000 rumor you wanted to buy Fox news.

01:58:42.540 Is that going to happen?

01:58:42.940 No,

01:58:43.060 that was all bullshit.

01:58:43.760 Right.

01:58:43.840 Yeah.

01:58:44.460 Somebody asked me,

01:58:45.280 um,

01:58:45.960 um,

01:58:46.560 if you could,

01:58:47.360 would you buy extra,

01:58:48.400 um,

01:58:49.180 or Fox news?

01:58:50.020 I'm like,

01:58:50.540 I can't afford it,

01:58:51.360 but if I could,

01:58:51.960 I would,

01:58:52.500 but yeah,

01:58:52.900 I'm not trying.

01:58:53.700 No,

01:58:53.840 that's bullshit.

01:58:54.980 There's,

01:58:55.400 there's a rumor that you wanted to build an entire city in Dallas,

01:58:58.760 like a new city from scratch.

01:58:59.860 No,

01:59:00.020 no,

01:59:00.160 I bought a city.

01:59:01.060 Oh,

01:59:01.280 you bought a town called Mustang,

01:59:02.800 Texas.

01:59:03.160 If you got any ideas,

01:59:04.180 they'll bring them on.

01:59:04.980 Really?

01:59:05.160 You got a whole city over there.

01:59:05.940 I got a whole town.

01:59:06.660 It's not a city.

01:59:07.100 It's a town.

01:59:07.460 It's got like no people.

01:59:08.200 Right.

01:59:08.420 But it's like 75 square miles,

01:59:10.220 um,

01:59:11.140 or acres rather.

01:59:12.600 And,

01:59:12.700 um,

01:59:13.620 I got an idea.

01:59:14.580 A dude I played basketball with was dying of cancer and,

01:59:17.640 um,

01:59:18.680 said that his only real asset was this town.

01:59:21.000 It's the only personally owned town in the country,

01:59:23.880 in the,

01:59:24.200 um,

01:59:24.460 in the state.

01:59:25.300 And one of the few in the country.

01:59:27.140 And like,

01:59:28.420 old,

01:59:28.980 old friend.

01:59:29.480 And I'm like,

01:59:29.920 okay,

01:59:30.120 Marty,

01:59:30.400 I'll buy it from you.

01:59:31.260 So it was like $1.9 million.

01:59:33.180 So now I own my own own town.

01:59:35.000 One of my other basketball buddies is like the mayor and goes down there and

01:59:38.380 keeps it up to date and everything.

01:59:39.420 So if you got any ideas,

01:59:40.860 and people live there,

01:59:41.760 it's empty.

01:59:42.100 No,

01:59:42.300 it's pretty much empty.

01:59:43.160 It is.

01:59:43.580 Yeah.

01:59:44.100 There used to be a strip club that burned down and then we tore all that

01:59:46.460 down.

01:59:47.180 Wow.

01:59:47.660 Do you lease it out for movie sets right now?

01:59:49.440 I would,

01:59:50.020 but I haven't really tried.

01:59:51.280 Right.

01:59:51.440 You got to get it figured out.

01:59:52.400 Yeah.

01:59:53.080 Wow.

01:59:53.440 Okay.

01:59:53.800 I'm going to keep that in mind.

01:59:54.820 What would I do with a dang town?

01:59:57.080 I don't know.

01:59:58.700 It's your daughter's birthday coming up.

01:59:59.920 You coming up.

02:00:00.360 Yeah.

02:00:00.740 Yeah.

02:00:00.900 Nice.

02:00:01.340 Yeah.

02:00:01.480 How old is she going to be?

02:00:02.300 She'll be 21.

02:00:03.180 No.

02:00:03.660 21 in Nashville.

02:00:04.820 It's going to be brutal.

02:00:05.800 Do you feel a responsibility to throw a big party for her?

02:00:08.480 Yes.

02:00:09.020 Yeah.

02:00:09.480 Yeah.

02:00:09.740 That's where I'm taking advantage of,

02:00:11.600 you know,

02:00:12.140 what I can take advantage of.

02:00:13.600 So it's a little bit spoiling her,

02:00:15.920 but she deserves it.

02:00:17.460 Is she,

02:00:17.800 which,

02:00:18.640 what's something you really love about her?

02:00:20.340 Um,

02:00:20.580 she's just got a great spirit.

02:00:21.940 She's feisty as hell.

02:00:23.180 She's smart.

02:00:24.260 Um,

02:00:24.620 she's loving.

02:00:25.920 Um,

02:00:26.620 and she's got a sense.

02:00:28.540 She's,

02:00:28.940 she's got a sarcastic sense of humor.

02:00:30.620 So she's always giving me shit.

02:00:32.120 Right.

02:00:32.520 Yeah.

02:00:32.860 Which is cool.

02:00:33.600 I like that.

02:00:34.240 Yeah.

02:00:34.480 Somebody's got to give Mark Cuban shit.

02:00:35.720 Somebody's got to give us all shit.

02:00:36.720 But that's what they say.

02:00:37.280 That's what my kids always say.

02:00:38.360 Someone's got to give you shit.

02:00:39.740 So that's all they do is give me shit.

02:00:42.060 Yeah.

02:00:42.380 That's,

02:00:42.700 that's a pretty generic first statement too.

02:00:44.700 Like,

02:00:44.980 well,

02:00:45.140 it doesn't have to be you.

02:00:46.260 Right.

02:00:46.640 Not my family.

02:00:47.800 Oh my God.

02:00:48.520 Dad,

02:00:48.720 you're the worst driver.

02:00:49.620 Dad,

02:00:49.820 you're the worst this.

02:00:50.520 Dad,

02:00:50.720 you're the worst that.

02:00:51.800 Oh my God.

02:00:53.700 Oh,

02:00:54.180 I got to tell you,

02:00:54.800 I enjoyed this.

02:00:55.380 This is totally different than any other interview.

02:00:56.980 Really?

02:00:57.360 Yeah.

02:00:57.760 Oh,

02:00:57.980 really enjoyed it.

02:00:58.840 Yeah.

02:00:59.180 Well,

02:00:59.500 it's cool to hear that you like being a dad,

02:01:01.040 Mark.

02:01:01.240 Yeah.

02:01:01.400 I love it.

02:01:01.840 Yeah.

02:01:01.980 I appreciate it.

02:01:02.600 Mark Cuban.

02:01:02.980 Thank you so much for your time.

02:01:04.080 Thanks Theo.

02:01:09.740 These leaves are must be cornerstone.

02:01:15.820 Oh,

02:01:16.560 but when I reach that ground,

02:01:18.480 I'll share this peace of mind.

02:01:20.620 I found I can feel it in my bones.

02:01:25.540 But it's gonna tell you.

02:01:27.320 Oh,

02:01:27.820 I found I can feel it in my bones.

02:01:31.740 But I can feel it in my bones.

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - September 25, 2024

E533 Mark Cuban

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