Comedian and podcaster Dave Smith joins Jemele to discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and how to deal with your erectile dysfunction when you get to a certain point in life where you can no longer have an erection.
01:00:13.260My buddy Thomas Schiffer, the genius behind Blue Cube, and I go way back, and he just launched a pre-sale for their new stand-up cold plunges.
01:01:30.620Like there are still people who are getting censored, and there are still – there was a thing like a couple weeks ago where I guess a group of people who, let's say, the people who liberals would call anti-Semitic, and I think –
01:01:48.280You know, like people who talk a lot about the Jews, whatever the – I'm not like trying to add my own value judgment into this, but whatever you think you would call it.
01:01:55.980A lot of them lost their blue check marks and like stuff like that.
01:01:59.340What they were accusing people of doing anti-Semitic?
01:02:02.300So there have been – like there are – but I mean to compare it to like – I mean during like 2020, 2021, 2022, I mean you couldn't – if you said anything about like the vaccine or whatever, I mean, you know, I know you felt it with – you know, you had the thing when Dana White was on.
01:02:18.500When you were talking about sponsors giving you a hard time and stuff, there was a total – not just on social media, but in general, there was a total like feeling that like you weren't even allowed to say anything that went against the regime.
01:02:33.840And if you are against what they're doing right now is – and I mean I – you know, there's always pressure.
01:02:38.840Like there's always like you'll get called names or something if you do that.
01:02:42.620But for a while there, it was straight up like you would lose your accounts and for a lot of people, like for me, that was a scary prospect for a long time because it was kind of like we had – at least in the comedy world that I'm in and in the political shit-talking world that I'm in, it's – I had kind of long ago accepted like, OK, I'm not going to get like a corporate job.
01:03:08.020Like no big corporation is going to hire me at this point, which is fine.
01:03:12.600But then you're like, oh, there's this internet thing.
01:03:14.520So you can have your show on the internet.
01:03:19.180Yeah, but then you're like, oh, they might come and take that away.
01:03:21.640It's not just that you can't get Saturday Night Live or something on Comedy Central or something like that.
01:03:25.980But it's like, oh, they could come and like – you know, if you could have your podcast, but if you can't have – if you can't be on iTunes or YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or whatever, you're kind of screwed in this world.
01:03:38.020And so I am very happy that at least now – it at least kind of feels like – the dominant culture seems to more be like, no, we should be able to say what we want to say right now.
01:03:49.100I think that's a very positive change.
01:03:51.780Are you – are you think you're going to take me down for talking about Yet and Yahoo?
01:04:28.260And you could hate the whole government and not hate the people.
01:04:31.780And then – and it's only with Israel and they intentionally do this where they conflate this thing where it's like, oh, if I have the – if I – like if I was like – if I came and told you like the government of France just did this thing, I think it's terrible what they did.
01:04:45.040And there's lots of terrible things that the government of France has done, so I could pick some.
01:05:37.840If you're like – if I say I think what Israel is doing is wrong and your response is, well, you're a bigot, it's like – your response should be, oh, I don't think what they're doing is wrong and here's why.
01:05:48.400And then we could actually talk about it.
01:05:49.840But just to call someone like, oh, you're a Jew hater, you're racist, you're homophobic, it's just played out and tired.
01:05:57.300Let's talk about Zuckerberg a little bit because he just had that kind of about face sort of on – and Facebook.
01:06:02.800They just had that kind of about face on Rogan where he was talking about – where's that clip?
01:06:08.700That clip, yeah, right here where he kind of says the Biden administration would call Meta to scream and curse at them to censor true information on their platforms.
01:06:20.800Play it real quick, a little bit of it.
01:06:21.860These people from the Biden administration would call up our team and like scream at them and curse and it's like these documents are – it's all kind of out there.
01:06:33.020Oh, did you record any of those phone calls?
01:06:35.080I don't – no, I don't think – I don't think we – but I think –
01:06:58.080To me, I just don't know if I – I don't – because Facebook didn't do the best job of – you know, they had issues over the years with the Hunter Biden thing, right?
01:07:08.040With Russia stuff where they wouldn't let people say this is bullshit.
01:07:11.700Like they really chose to decide what was misinformation.
01:07:16.060So it just seems weird that suddenly people are calling and screaming.
01:07:19.640I left like the simple facts and you're like, is this – it seemed like now you're trying to seem like that wasn't happening the whole time and you weren't listening to it before type of vibe.
01:07:34.020Yeah, it's a very like convenient retelling of history.
01:07:38.440For Zuckerberg to go – so the government was saying we have to censor these things that are true and we were like, no, we're not going to do that.
01:07:50.580What really happened is the government said you're going to censor these things that are true and he said, yes, sir, and did it for eight fucking years, okay?
01:07:58.800And then at the end of these eight years when Trump wins a dominant victory and now the guy who you kicked off of Facebook is now president again and now the whole culture is turned against you and he's threatening to like, you know, like look into you.
01:08:13.940And there's a lot of like pretty quasi-illegal stuff that was done.
01:08:18.780So now you said, okay, we're not going to do this again while Joe Biden is literally on his hands and knees pooping his pants on the way out with terrible numbers and Donald Trump's coming in popular again.
01:08:32.560So for him to spin that as the government said we should do this thing and we said, no, that's ridiculous, okay, that's not exactly what happened.
01:08:40.900It seemed like he's just back here trying to slurp back onto humanity.
01:08:48.520Now, there's – and this is why Joe, you know, remains like the biggest show is because he just gets these moments.
01:08:56.140But if you – the last time he was on Rogan's podcast was one of the most interesting admissions and it was before he had done this 180 and turned around.
01:09:03.640But when Joe asked him about the Hunter Biden thing and he goes, so like the story with the Hunter Biden laptop, how did you guys handle that?
01:09:12.120And Zuckerberg said the FBI came to us and told us there's about to be a big Russian dump.
01:09:19.640So they must have known that this laptop was about to come out.
01:09:23.880And they went to Facebook, told them preemptively it's Russian disinformation and that's why they censored the whole thing.
01:09:30.380And that is like – that admission is like blatant election interference by the FBI against the sitting president, which makes it that – even that much worse.
01:09:41.940Because like in some – on some level, like if the FBI or the CIA or someone like that was like interfering in an election, you'd already be like, okay, that's crazy illegal, unethical, you know, unconstitutional.
01:09:53.300Like we don't have a democracy if we have three-letter agencies interfering in elections.
01:09:57.680However, you'd assume at least they were doing it on the side of the president who they work for, not against the president who they work for.
01:11:33.900What we do is we have – if something is reported to us as potentially misinformation, important misinformation, we also have this third-party fact-checking program because we don't want to be deciding what's true and false.
01:11:46.520And for the – I think it was five or seven days when it was basically being determined whether it was false, the distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still allowed to share it.
01:12:10.060So saying that they had some effect on it though.
01:12:12.540Yeah, well, he goes on to say that it was a meaningful impact that turning down the signal had on it.
01:12:19.660But what's interesting is that he blatantly says that it was the FBI who came to them and like told them that this very true story, which was a real scandal, that was an October surprise that very clearly could have moved the needle in the election.
01:12:34.720They suppressed that for one reason only, and that's because they wanted Biden to win and not Trump to win.
01:12:40.680And Zuckerberg played a big role in that, not as big, I guess, as Twitter, at the old Twitter.
01:13:11.140Well, and if you think about like even just the, you know, if you think about the how much government cares about controlling the narrative, you know, one of the things that's really interesting from the more recent clip that the one we played first here, you know, he says that they were really upset about a meme.
01:13:34.520Which literally said, isn't that fascinating in a way that they are so threatened by like you making a joke about their bullshit?
01:13:40.660But if you like zoom out, right, and think about it, it's like governments always insist on controlling, monopolizing information.
01:13:49.700You know, controlling the narrative is the most important thing to them.
01:13:52.480That's more important than controlling the money or the banks or the laws or anything.
01:13:56.720It's like controlling the narrative, controlling how people think, what the kind of like the range, the Overton window of allowable opinion or what, you know, and that's and you see it all the time.
01:14:07.620You see they spaz out when people are just outside of the realm of allowable opinion.
01:14:12.280And even if you think about like the way think about the way our government's set up, we're like, OK, the government there's like a group of, you know, services that the government has a monopoly on.
01:14:26.840And they had a monopoly on the schools, the post office, you know, like even it's like wherever the information is coming from, the media, the universities, you know, these are always the things that governments get involved.
01:14:42.180And then all of a sudden there's a revolution and now the, you know, the the public square is Facebook and Twitter and these social media.
01:14:53.620So now these people are in control for the first time of this.
01:14:56.440So, of course, and what really happened was after Donald Trump won in 2016, they really started cracking down on them.
01:15:01.980The guy who wasn't supposed to win won and he did it by utilizing social media and going around the corporate media and going around the political machine just to talk right to voters that really shook them up.
01:15:15.920And so, yeah, they hauled Zuckerberg and Dorsey and all of them before Congress.
01:15:21.420I'm sure he's right that they were on the phone cursing and screaming at him and putting all types of pressure.
01:15:25.600So, fine, if Zuckerberg – I would be much more sympathetic if Zuckerberg had come out on Rogan's podcast this time and been like, listen, I just – I've – under the weight of this pressure, I gave in.
01:15:37.660And I became like a tool for the regime to censor people.
01:16:50.420National television, would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your – show them the pictures.
01:16:58.060Would you like to apologize for what you've done to these good people?
01:17:01.220I – I – I'm sorry for everything that you've all – it's terrible.
01:17:08.120I'm not even sure that you have to go through the things that your families have suffered.
01:17:11.760And this is why we invested so much and are going to continue doing these streaming efforts to make sure that no one has to go through the types of things that your families have had to suffer.
01:17:33.440It seems to me like he doesn't have a lot of feel in him.
01:17:36.100Yeah, listen, that's – yeah, to apologize.
01:17:38.640I don't even exactly understand what they were like.
01:17:40.340Like they're – they're like parents of kids who got trafficked or something like that.
01:17:44.900Yeah, I think – and I'll have to look into that, yeah.
01:17:46.820But that also shouldn't be done – like an apology like that shouldn't be done with reporters flashing and all this.
01:17:52.980I also cannot stand – I'm sorry, but I just hate the grandstanding of politicians and Congress.
01:17:58.340Like I think Zuckerberg's like response to that should have been like, you preside over the biggest war machine in the history of the world.
01:18:06.200So if you want to talk about apologizing to innocent people who have got – you got your work cut out for you.
01:18:20.000And then like give a real moment or like – you know, you can't – someone like loses their kid or their kid's raped or tortured or something.
01:18:26.900It can't just be like a I'm sorry that happened and we are working hard to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.
01:18:32.400You want to sit down and be like, hey.
01:18:43.560They shouldn't put him on the spot to do it right there because that wasn't really helpful.
01:18:48.720Because they're not looking for a sincere apology.
01:18:50.620They're looking for a political stunt to be like I got Zuckerberg to admit that he was wrong.
01:18:56.020And the families always get wheeled out for that kind of stuff.
01:18:58.280And I also don't like that the air is always like – it's always a question of what you should be censoring.
01:19:04.300And like listen, I'm sure we would probably agree, right?
01:19:06.740Like if there are people trying to traffic kids or something like that, like yes, okay, you'd want to kick those accounts off or report them to the police or whatever.
01:19:13.240But it's always Congress like talking about how dangerous the freedom that people have is on your site.
01:19:19.760Oh, it's so dangerous that people can communicate and people – you've got to clamp down on this.
01:19:24.360And it's like personally I'm much – what is it?
01:19:27.780The old – I think it's a Thomas Jefferson quote or maybe I'm getting that wrong actually.
01:20:11.540I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much – attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.
01:20:22.440Yeah, Facebook has had issues – I mean remember when they had – there was a thing where they had – there was like these Kenyans or something.
01:21:24.880The group was employed at the social media giant's outsourced hub for content moderation in Kenya's capital of Nairobi where workers screen posts, videos, messages, and other content from users across Africa, removing any illegal or harmful material that breaches its community standards and terms of service.
01:21:39.800Can you even imagine having to moderate the stuff in Africa?
01:21:44.900Someone's job is actually to watch a child being molested and then be like, nope, that video can't go up on Facebook?
01:23:09.960But like when they overthrew Mubarak, I think that was like a real genuine revolution where like the people really did agree like we want this dictator gone.
01:23:18.560But I remember that they were – this was – what year was Mubarak overthrown?
01:23:31.580But I do remember that that was one of the things that people were making a big deal of was that there were these giant protests that ultimately ended up bringing down the government.
01:23:40.540And it was all organized on social media.
01:23:42.800You know, everybody is like, oh, we'll meet up here.
01:23:57.560It's just like, yo, I mean you're going to get – if you could overthrow governments with these things,
01:24:01.320you're going to get – you know, you're going to get a lot of attention from governments who are going to be very concerned about what's going on on these sites.
01:25:04.140Then they go after him with the legal cases.
01:25:08.200Then he almost gets his brains blown out on national television.
01:25:11.280And then after all of that, all the years of he's a Nazi, democracy is over, he's Hitler, the American people go, well, we like him even more now.
01:25:40.960It almost like – well, that is – and I mean look, even me, I will admit I'm guilty of it too that I – right away, you know, you see another celebrity.
01:25:48.040They'll be endorsing Kamala Harris tonight.
01:25:49.920And I'm like, what did you do at the Diddy party?
01:25:53.260You know, what do you – like it's just – there's so much mistrust of the whole thing.
01:25:57.140And it's – you know, the thing about it is is a lot of us – like I said this in our conversation already today at one point.
01:26:03.120I don't even remember if it was about Russiagate or COVID or what, but I said all those people still have their jobs or whatever.
01:26:07.900You know, if you look at the New York Times or you look at CNN or all these places, they still got people there who sold us the war in Iraq.
01:27:49.500And this was a huge factor for him, you know, and this was – and I will say, I think particularly yours was – I mean, obviously, Rogan's was humongous.
01:28:09.460You know, there hasn't been – there's not a lot of people where I'm from who even get to ask questions a lot of times.
01:28:13.120No, I think – I don't think you're –
01:28:14.160There's not a lot of people where I'm from who ever even get to raise their hand in front of a president and ask a question about something that means something to them.
01:28:21.980You know, a lot of times, yeah, you just get pigeonholed into being some type of way.
01:28:26.880And so then as a person, as part of even just a group, you start to feel like, well, I don't even fucking exist.
01:29:57.400And you only have representation from these two coastal cities.
01:30:01.560And this has now been totally blown open where it's like, yeah, I think for the first time, people in the middle of the country, in the south of the country can actually have a voice.
01:30:11.700And why shouldn't they when there's tens of millions of people who, like, fall into those categories?
01:34:10.620Martin and Dale Makari is a British American surgeon, professor, author, and medical commentator.
01:34:14.980Where they were going to – they were convincing, giving people scans at their churches, showing them that they needed like their blood vessels dilated or shunts put in their legs.
01:34:27.660And it was just – and doctors were making a ton of money through Medicaid.
01:34:32.460And a lot of the doctors were funding the groups that would go, and they would do it at black churches and black religious get-togethers.
01:34:40.160And they'd have tables set up, and they were just using these people, basically sending them through as just like a fucking – as a varicose vein mill.
01:34:48.380And just making tons of money, I'm sure.
01:35:16.980FBI director, who is – he was a huge critic of, like, Russiagate and a lot of the crazy stuff that – a lot of the election interference that the FBI has been doing.
01:35:25.480Again, you know, we're going to see how – there were reports out – I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that Tulsi Gabbard was saying she's changed her mind on government surveillance,
01:35:35.300and now she's okay with the intelligence agencies spying on us.
01:35:39.200You know, D.C. has a way of poisoning people.
01:35:53.520But it is, like, there's all types of pressure.
01:35:56.800And then there's probably pressures that I don't know about at all, that when you're actually on the inside, there's probably all types of threats and things like that that you've got to deal with.
01:36:04.440So I think these picks were all very, very good.
01:36:08.020He had a bunch of really bad picks that I did not like.
01:36:42.820I mean, I wouldn't put it past some of these people.
01:36:45.200There are a lot of killers in our government, you know.
01:36:47.620I also think that sometimes it's just the way the machine works and it's like, well, you're never going to be able to do anything unless you do this or unless you do that.
01:36:57.960You know, it was real interesting the way – the way that Obama got rolled when he first came in and he had a lot of these plans like we were going to end these wars and we're going to do all these things and we're going to –
01:37:10.620and he just immediately ran up against the machine and it was like, you have no idea how to actually control this thing.
01:37:17.780And I got to say, I think that happened a lot to Trump too when he first came in.
01:37:21.340Trump had a lot of plans and I think that – I think Donald Trump looked at it like, hey, I've been the CEO of this big company.
01:37:34.020It's not like when you're really the boss and you dictate orders and everyone follows them.
01:37:37.900And he – you know, Donald Trump, he ran in 2016 on what was such a great idea at the time was – and he used to say this on the campaign all the time in 2016 because back then the war in Syria was still going – well, he was like raging.
01:37:53.060And he would go, why are we even in Syria?
01:37:56.280I don't care about overthrowing Bashar al-Assad.
01:37:58.460He goes, Russia said they're only in Syria to kill ISIS.
01:38:01.820I was like, OK, well, we want to kill ISIS too.
01:38:05.120He goes, so why don't we stop trying to overthrow regimes in the Middle East, work with Russia to take out all the terrorists and then we could just leave the Middle East and then we could all be – we could be friends with Russia.
01:38:17.220I was like, yeah, that's a great idea except then you get in there and the media is saying you're a Russian spy every single day all day long.
01:38:25.360So now how are you going to make a deal with Russia?
01:39:09.260So I'm not – and also I just – I do think like there's too many of us and there's too – I think like the toothpaste is out of the tube on this.
01:39:16.160And I don't think – I think even they've finally realized that like even if – you know what's funny?
01:39:21.480When they were coming after Rogan a couple of years ago when there was that major push and the artists were – Neil Young was saying I'll take my music off Spotify or whatever.
01:39:31.620I remember talking about it then and you're like, so what do you guys even think happens?
01:39:36.400Like let's say hypothetically you could take Joe Rogan out, right?
01:39:41.280Like his audience goes back to CNN, you think everyone who was listening to that is going to go, okay, I guess we plug back into the matrix now.
01:39:48.720They're just going to find somebody else.
01:39:50.480They're going to find someone else, probably more radical.
01:39:55.360And so I think they even kind of know they can't really – but I do think – I think the two things that make it – that make the dynamic very different this time for Trump – well, like you said, it's that the corporate media has been destroyed.
01:40:09.460But the two things that really destroyed them since the first Trump presidency to this one is Russiagate and COVID.
01:40:17.700They just – they were such big stories and they got them so wrong and everyone kind of knows it now.
01:40:23.660Like nobody – you know, nobody believes in Russiagate anymore.
01:40:27.020Nobody is sitting – no one on television is going, a Russian spy is about to retake the White House.
01:41:25.900Listen, man, I mean they hate – they fucking hate this country and they hate the people of the country.
01:41:31.540And I don't like just say that to be like – to make a sensational claim.
01:41:35.440But it's like if you – if my kids were hungry and I was feeding other kids, like what conclusion could you draw from that other than like you don't love your children.
01:41:49.360You hate your own children because that's like your number one responsibility.
01:41:53.540What do you mean you're feeding other kids while your kids are going hungry?
01:41:57.100It's just too evil to even wrap your head around.
01:41:59.760And that's literally what our government does.
01:42:21.900It was like, hey, well, Ukraine – Zelensky, can you give us back some of our money so we can pay our teachers better, so we can feed people who are starving in our own country, so we can get homeless people off the streets, so we can help cure some of our mental health, so we can help repair some of this fire damage for people that were uninsured or help the displaced people that are over here.
01:42:54.700And I know those people have problems, but it's like – you know, the perfect example for me was that Karen Bass lady from – with the L.A. fires, right?
01:43:01.440I've never heard of her before, and she seems like a nice woman.
01:43:06.340But she was in Ghana – unless she was on vacation.
01:43:09.600She was in Ghana, Africa while this was happening, and if she was on vacation, then she should be able to do whatever she wants, and she should be able to do whatever she wants anyway.
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01:43:22.620This is exactly how people should be treated.
01:43:24.540Do you owe citizens for being absent while their homes are burning?
01:43:26.980Do you regret cutting the fire department budget?
01:43:28.540Do you think you should have been visiting Ghana while this was unfolding back home?
01:43:34.260But can you look up – was she in Ghana on vacation?
01:43:41.980And I think they did know, and they knew that like big windstorms were coming, and they knew that like this is a danger, you know, with wildfires and stuff.
01:43:49.060So it's just – you would expect you'd be around there.
01:44:11.020It's like why is she even – you have – we have – how much do the people have to suffer or be struggling in our own country for our own country to be like here?
01:44:23.520And who – how are we electing these people that aren't saying here, America, we're going to help you first?
01:44:34.500I just don't understand how it's happening.
01:44:35.820Well, I mean I do think perhaps it's kind of like what you said earlier.
01:44:39.000Like part of this is that we have just like acquired such a level of wealth and power as a country that it's almost like the politicians who now control the tax base of the American people, they feel like gods where they're like we can do all of this stuff.
01:44:55.000I mean I remember when – and I think this was sincere.
01:44:58.400I think Joe Biden actually heard and understood this question and had a moment of being lucid.
01:45:04.200But it was when the war in Gaza first broke out and some reporter asked him and was like – they were like, well, you know, you're all in on this war in Ukraine.
01:45:13.600You've already given them hundreds of billions of dollars and now you're saying you're going to support Israel.
01:45:17.460Like are you sure America can take on another war that we have to foot the bill for now?
01:45:22.380And he goes, of course – this is the United States of America.
01:45:47.360It's like you just haven't updated this script because like it's 30 years later now.
01:45:51.880And no, we can't just do whatever you want to.
01:45:54.700And, you know, we just found out through this.
01:45:56.480You know, it's like, OK, yeah, we could do whatever we want to but we can't tax people enough to raise the money and we can't borrow enough to get it.
01:46:02.620So we have to print the money and then we deal with this price inflation we've been dealing with for the last few years.
01:46:07.300It just like destroys working class people and it's like, yeah, I guess if you don't care about that, we can do it.
01:46:13.620But if you do care about that, then actually, no, we can't.
01:46:18.100And I'll just say with this, right, look, you think about the United States of America, the federal government, it's the biggest, most powerful government in the history of the world by far, by any metric.
01:46:28.540And yet, as we're doing everything, as we're backing the war in Israel, as we're backing Israel's war, we're backing Ukraine in this war, we're overthrowing regimes all around the world.
01:46:38.280We're talking about what the – they have a summit where they talk about what the temperature is going to be in 100 years.
01:46:43.140The government is trying to manage everything.
01:46:44.520And yet, the most basic functions of government have all gone to shit.
01:46:53.380I was in the post office like three weeks ago, right?
01:46:55.620There's a home – I want to say – I don't want to say homeless, but pretty homeless guy in there, right, yelling faggot over and over again, right, just yelling it into the fucking distance or whatever.
01:47:26.640They're trying to say, oh, we're going to have electric cars and we're going to have a new power grid and we're going to have all of this.
01:47:31.620Meanwhile, the most basic service, like make sure your fire department has enough water in the area where – that is known for wildfires spreading.
01:47:40.900Like the most basic thing you fail miserably at.
01:47:44.460And then you're going to talk about all these pie-in-the-sky visions of how you're going to run the world and do all this shit.
01:47:49.820And it's like, no, you're not good at this.
01:47:54.520And there is something interesting about that where it's like when you try to take on way too much, you end up failing at the most basic responsibility that you have.
01:48:07.120And also when you push – when you position yourself as this we will handle it all, you don't let other societies and cultures kind of create their own narrative and wherewithal for themselves in a weird way.
01:48:27.960That's true like internally in America and throughout the world.
01:48:31.960But even like you see like – you see like in America like the rise of the welfare state like when it was really in the 60s and 70s when welfare became huge and then churches get diminished.
01:48:45.140You know, it's like, oh, because that used to be what people would do if they needed help is they'd go to the local church and kind of ask them to help.
01:48:52.820So it's like, oh, as you try to take care of everything, you end up killing and boxing out this other more organic thing where the people themselves would actually figure out like who in the community needs help.
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01:52:31.540If I had stage four cancer and, like, they were like, there's nothing we can do, I'd be like, hey, Joe, can you get me Mel Gibson's number?
01:52:39.340I want to talk to him and his buddies about what they did.
01:53:02.920It's been, like, kind of bizarre, you know?
01:53:05.060But the weirdest thing about L.A. that I'm hearing is, like, I'll get a text from a friend or talk to a friend who's crying, you know, their home is burnt down.
01:53:12.220And then I'll get a call from a friend who's like, hey, man, do you want me to go over by your place and move your car to my apartment or whatever because in case the fire switch went?
01:53:21.080And I'm like, I think I'm okay right now.
01:53:23.040And I was like, what do you have to do?
01:53:24.420He's like, I'm going to a couple auditions today, you know?
01:54:03.220And you're in Hollywood where shit is a lot of things are made and manufactured and created.
01:54:07.580So you're like, well, of course this isn't real.
01:54:09.440Well, it's one of the things about cities that are real strange, like these modern cities where there's millions of people.
01:54:16.200And I saw this a lot during COVID, particularly in New York and L.A., where it's like, it's almost like there's nothing that people won't just adjust to because they're kind of trapped there.
01:55:10.820I mean, there's something very bizarre about the like juxtaposition of just going about your daily life while this craziness is happening right there.
01:55:19.760Yeah, like someone right now in that car, like someone's wife calls their cell and they're just like, would you mind stopping at the store on your way home?
01:55:39.440There's somebody picking up a song and then realizing, oh, maybe not right now or some guy smoking is like, oh, it's already fucked anyway.
01:57:49.520Do they make – do we think that they make money off of war?
01:57:51.800Well, it's a fact that a lot of them work at think tanks that are funded by weapons companies.
01:57:58.840It's a fact that Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton.
01:58:01.940I mean like these things are – so they are connected to interests that make lots of money off the wars.
01:58:06.480But – so a lot of them basically were – they were not all but a lot of them were Jewish and a lot of – they were leftists who came over and kind of became conservatives in the second half of the 20th century.
01:58:22.840And they were – so they – in the 90s, there were these – there was one major think tank that was called the Project for a New American Century.
01:58:32.880And they basically wrote out all their plans of like what they wanted to do back in the 90s.
01:58:38.880And the major thing was that they wanted – the Project for a New American Century, the idea of it was that – right.
01:58:45.580So it was a neoconservative think tank in D.C.
01:58:48.580And a lot of these same people – I mean Robert Kagan and William Kristol were the guys who founded it.
01:58:55.920But if you look through the name of signatures, you'll see Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perl, a lot of these guys.
01:59:05.140Now they basically – this was if you could imagine in the 90s.
01:59:09.280This is right after the Soviet Union collapses.
01:59:11.380This is where – what Charles Krauttenheimer, who is another neoconservative who is dead now, he called the unipolar moment.
01:59:18.300And what that meant was that it was like, hey, for the first time in the world – for the first time in the history of the world, there is one global superpower that is more powerful than any other country that has ever existed.
01:59:28.640Now that the Soviet Union is gone, it's ours.
01:59:32.380Now there was this big divide amongst conservatives.
01:59:34.520A lot of conservatives, what are called the paleo-conservatives, it was like Pat Buchanan and guys like that, they were like, well, now that the Cold War is over, we can come home.
01:59:46.360We were fighting this war because it was the Cold War because it was the Soviet Union.
01:59:49.080But now that the Soviet Union is gone, we can disband NATO.
02:00:38.260There's – if you go to the calls for regime change in Iraq, they might have a good link there that would be like the document.
02:00:46.100I'm just blanking on the name of some of the documents that they put out.
02:00:50.100But they basically said no one can mess with us and so what we need to do right now is we need to have multiple wars in the Middle East.
02:00:56.940We need to have regime changes and get rid of all of the old allies of the Soviet Union, put in our people who we like.
02:01:04.660Specifically advocating regime changes through a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.
02:01:09.580The letter suggested that any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Hussein even if no evidence linked Iraq to the September 11th attacks.
02:01:20.800Well, listen, you got to understand a lot of this stuff was written – this is in the 90s.
02:01:26.140This is before the September 11th attacks that they were talking about getting rid of Saddam Hussein.
02:01:29.920They actually say there's one paper – and this is what the 9-11 truthers – they would love to hang on to this.
02:01:35.960So they said they did 9-11 because they wanted this to happen.
02:01:38.620Well, there's one thing – it was in the 90s.
02:01:41.600I can't remember what year it was, but you could find this.
02:01:44.800But they say – basically, they go through this whole thing of how we really want to overthrow Saddam Hussein in Iraq and then we want to fight multiple wars in the Middle East and have multiple regime changes.
02:01:54.040And they actually said in the paper – they go, but it would be very challenging to get enough popular support to do something like this short of another Pearl Harbor-style attack.
02:02:03.900So they literally say we really kind of need an attack on America in order to work up enough support to go fight these wars.
02:02:12.740Now, that isn't proof that they did 9-11, but it does certainly indicate that –
02:02:20.460Well, at the very least, when 9-11 happened, they went, yes, now we got our – so this is one of the worst –
02:02:26.880You know, like the worst thing that ended up happening was that when 9-11 happens, George W. Bush is president and all these motherfuckers are in power.
02:02:37.300So they got their opportunity and right away after 9-11 – and we know this because the four-star general Wesley Clark himself said that he was out of power at the time.
02:02:46.720But he went to the Pentagon and he said that he saw plans late 2001 already drawn up for the invasion of Iraq.
02:02:54.860So like as soon as 9-11 happened, they were like, OK, we're going to use this to go overthrow Saddam Hussein.
02:03:01.960Now, all right, if I could pull it back a few – so a few years before 9-11 in 1996.
02:03:07.720And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.
02:03:54.720The letter is called A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
02:03:59.060And it's written to Benjamin Netanyahu, who in 1996 was the first year that he became prime minister, OK?
02:04:07.260And in this – basically what this was all about is that they were – the neoconservatives were saying, hey, here's the new strategy, OK?
02:04:14.760And the new strategy is in the early 90s, you had had these Oslo Accords, which were the – what was known as the peace process.
02:04:21.980The peace – and that was like the Oslo Accord.
02:04:23.640It was to try to get – that was supposed to help with Palestine, right?
02:04:29.160So Bill Clinton is – famously was a big deal when I was a kid.
02:04:33.020It was Bill Clinton had Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin, the leader of the PLO and the prime minister of Israel, here together to work out, we're finally – we're going to do a two-state solution and we're going to make this deal.
02:04:45.580They brought them together, shook hands.
02:04:47.160I mean after years and years, decades of bloody fighting, this was like – it seemed like an amazing step forward and Israel committed to what they call a peace process.
02:04:56.960So eventually – essentially, they committed that they're like, you know this land that we know is not ours that we've been occupying since 1967?
02:05:17.460Now, then Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister of Israel, was assassinated by a right-wing Israeli, by – yeah, by a Netanyahu supporter, assassinated him for betraying his own country and talking – but Israel was still on the hook for promising to eventually give the Palestinians their own state.
02:05:34.900And the clean break memo – and it's a little bit coded but it's basically like, listen, we got to get away from that.
02:05:43.480We got to get away from this peace process and the idea of like giving the Palestinians their land.
02:05:56.600Now, for many years, the thinking, which culminated in the Oslo Accords, right, the reason why there was this peace process is that the thinking, the Yitzhak Rabin thinking was that, listen, you have the Arab world who hates Israel's guts over their treatment of the Palestinian people.
02:06:13.800And so you have to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can be friendly with the surrounding Arab world so that they don't all hate you and you can coexist and you can be prosperous, right?
02:06:26.840Now, the clean break is essentially a break from that line of thinking.
02:06:32.520You don't need to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can then make peace with the broader Arab world.
02:06:39.300What you need to do is overthrow the regimes in the broader Arab world that are pissed off at you and that way you won't have to ever make peace with the Palestinians.
02:06:48.040You'll never have to give them land if we could just overthrow Saddam Hussein and then overthrow the mullahs in Iran and then overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
02:06:55.720And so they lay out this strategy and this is the clean break, the clean break, excuse me.
02:07:01.820And these are our top neoconservatives who end up in the George W. Bush administration explicitly saying that the reason they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein is because he's a problem for Israel.
02:07:12.840And a few years later when four-star general Wesley Clark, who, by the way, recently in a debate with my friend Scott Horton, admitted that these plans went all the way back to 96 and not just 2001, which he had said before.
02:07:29.780But this was the famous – I don't know if you've ever seen it before, but the seven countries in five years.
02:09:06.040He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today.
02:09:10.920And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
02:10:10.320And so the neoconservatives, the ones who were in charge of the W. Bush administration or were at very high posts in that administration, this was their plan.
02:10:19.780And as they had mentioned in the clean break explicitly for Israel, like it was to change the dynamics so that Israel – we would take out all of their enemies and put them in a situation where they never had to come through on the peace process.
02:10:33.380And so that's why – or at least a huge part of the reason why we fought a war in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in why we've backed Israel through all of these proxy wars.
02:10:49.060And it's – this is what – even more so than their treatment of the Palestinians, this is the thing that I'm furious at Israel about.
02:10:56.700It's like what is with this like pressure of like lying my country's people into war after war after war that does nothing but create disasters for us?
02:11:10.460And certainly I think as the – you start to get looked at as the bad guy, if that's true.
02:11:15.060You know, you start to get looked at as the bad guy.
02:11:16.780If you invite me to come help you, you know, or if I have the bullets, you know, and you have me come along and fire the gun, even if you give me the orders or whatever, I'm still a murderer, you know.
02:11:29.100But a clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm is a policy document prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Pearl for Benjamin Netanyahu, then prime minister of Israel.
02:11:40.960Key points, abandoning the Oslo Accords and the concept of a land for peace, reestablishing the principle of preemption rather than retaliation.
02:11:49.100So just to be clear, because again, they're saying these in kind of like – and this is how they talk about it, right?
02:12:42.940Sometimes people are like – you hear people say stuff about why we're fun Israel and this and that and why – but then you're also like, well, if like – they did it.
02:12:58.300If we're still playing by all these old rules of like Game of Thrones style shit and fucking it's a dog-eat-dog world and occupying land and all that kind of stuff, if you're still playing risk, right?
02:13:22.620If might makes right and the only thing that matters are the laws of conquest and who's winning is winning, then okay, sure.
02:13:30.260You got to give it to them that like, hey, you've done it.
02:13:32.440But, okay, if that's your feeling, then fine, but then you don't get to cry these tears about, oh, October 7th was so horrible and they did this to us because, hey, you're just playing the game of might makes right and whoever can kill the other side can kill the other side.
02:13:47.600And then also – okay, even if you're playing by those rules, I'll respect gangster.
02:13:53.480Yeah, I just want to know what the rules are.
02:13:54.860But then at the same time, you also got to understand that we live in a new world now and like all the stuff we were talking about before, like people can talk about this stuff now and people can communicate.
02:14:07.220And I'm sorry, but if that's the case, then what I'm rooting for is what's best for my country.
02:14:13.680And none of these wars made my country better.
02:14:16.740In fact, they made it much, much worse.
02:14:18.560You know, all we got to show for the war in Iraq is thousands of our bravest young boys dead, tens of thousands of them killing themselves in the wake of it, tens of thousands more injured and horribly just a shell of themselves.
02:14:33.020And unsure of what they're – I think – and I don't know if people would want to admit this or talk about it and it may be anti-American for me to say it.
02:14:40.580But I think the definition right now of being American is frayed in some ways.
02:14:48.120But what they were – I mean, the truth of – probably closing your eyes at night and be like, well, what was I fighting for?
02:15:33.580Oh, I was just a pawn in your – in some rich guy's game.
02:15:36.880And that included me like doing all types of shit to people that is very hard for any civilized person to do.
02:15:44.480Oh, your conscience can't – it's a teeter-totter.
02:15:46.920Well, you immediately – you know, you put yourself in a crazy situation.
02:15:50.520So like look, if I'm going to – if I'm going to break into your house with a gun, like once I've already made that decision that I'm going to break into your house with a gun,
02:15:59.500whatever justified me to getting to that point, there's now – there's a whole different dynamic where now like, okay, I could say, hey, I'm just trying to break into your house with a gun.
02:16:35.700And when you find out that a lot of the people were Saudi Arabian or something and we didn't even deal with it, it's like what was going on?
02:16:42.880And it's also like there's something to be said for the – even if you – like if you fought a guy, let's say like back in your drinking days or something like that, you got into a bar fight or something like that,
02:16:53.620and you fight a guy who's around your size and you go – and you end up like winning the fight even.
02:16:58.900It's like there's still something different about that than if you just went and beat up a dude who was like a third of your size.
02:17:05.720You know, like at least when we fought in World War II, the Nazis were very powerful.
02:17:09.820It was at – early in the war, it wasn't clear exactly who was going to win.
02:17:14.360But Iraq, you know, for the US military to go fight – it's like, come on, dude.
02:18:15.500Hegseth, 44, has developed a close rapport with Trump, a military veteran and popular conservative media personality with a large following of his own.
02:18:25.240He hosted like the Fox morning show for years.
02:18:37.520Yeah, no, he was – so I met him back in I want to say like 2016 or something like that and he was like – I think he had pretty standard like Republican politics.
02:18:49.800I think he – from what I've heard, he's kind of changed a bit over the years and has become much more skeptical about a lot of the wars.
02:18:57.300I do remember – this is one moment I always thought was really interesting that I saw him on one show on Fox News and this was such a not Fox News type thing for him to talk about.
02:19:06.960But he brought up and went into pretty graphic detail the epidemic of warlords raping little boys in Afghanistan and this was a major thing that a lot of the guys who served in Afghanistan talk about.
02:19:22.320But so when we were – we were against the Taliban, we were trying to overthrow the Taliban and a lot has been made in America and rightfully so about how the Taliban are really brutal on women's rights.
02:19:35.880They don't let women have any type of freedom.
02:19:37.640However, on the other side were these tribal warlords who we were propping up and it is true that they would let the little girls go to school but they would also rape the little boys.
02:19:51.120There's like an epidemic of it and they bring – and so the dynamic was that our soldiers over there weren't allowed to say anything about that because they'd be like, well, listen, this is their customs and their way of life.
02:20:03.600And so they would talk about how they could hear the screams from the little boys like in their rooms and stuff.
02:20:09.680And he talked about it on Fox News which just kind of gave me the impression that I was like, oh, maybe this guy is willing to kind of like tell the truth in a thing where it's a little uncomfortable in an audience that isn't typically used to hearing that.
02:22:09.480And I think there's no reason why America can't have like a great kind of – a great reformation, a great return to the best things about America, a huge increase in liberty and decrease in awful state corruption.
02:22:26.960Like I don't see any reason why that can't happen, especially when they don't have the propaganda machine anymore.
02:22:31.140Yeah, and I think – I've always thought like the sand – like it all gets remembered, right?
02:22:37.700Like I think sometimes it's like are we just – is America still suffering from like what it did to the Native Americans here, you know?
02:22:46.060And I know that's kind of wild, but they had like the – there was a line that they put.
02:22:50.920I think it was around the Mississippi called the something frontier, general frontier or something where they're like we'll – it was like just a deal that they'd made with the Native Americans.
02:23:36.520But there was something Jordan Peterson said about that that is like how you can't get away with lying, how you can't like twist the fabric of reality and it not snap back at you.
02:23:47.340I don't know if it's exactly perfect, but like there is something to like where no matter what – you know, it's like – it's true like in a relationship.
02:23:56.280Like, you know, if you think like, oh, maybe you're like, oh, I could get away with treating my wife shitty.
02:24:01.300And maybe you even can because she'll take it for a while.
02:24:03.980But like ultimately there's going to be a price to pay for that.
02:24:31.380And there's something about how like – you know, it's like, okay, I could like – I could go on my treadmill right now and like go run for 20 minutes and that will suck.
02:24:40.460I hate those 20 minutes when I go run on my treadmill.
02:24:42.860Or I could eat a big piece of cheesecake and just love the next 20 minutes and feel so good.
02:24:48.560But there's going to be a price to pay for that.
02:25:08.060You know, like if I want to like – whatever it is, if I want to be really shitty to my wife now, it's like maybe I think that gets me some advantage in the short term.
02:25:17.240But then when my son's older and he remembers that and he hates me, it's like, oh, okay.
02:25:22.000There's the price for me not being good to his mom.
02:25:24.580So you always like – in life in general, you're always better off if you err on the side of like doing the right thing so that you don't owe these prices later in life.
02:25:34.640You see it with like old men who were like shitty drunk dads and now they're alone and they're old alcoholics and you're like, oh, man, the ultimate loser here is you.
02:25:44.800Like you got like a grandkid you never met, you know, and it's like there's – you can't cheat this game.
02:25:50.660So you're better off just doing the right thing and not accruing all these debts.
02:26:27.440But this – I've been seeing this for a while.
02:26:28.720I feel like we've entered this kind of like privatized communism, I call it, where – and you could call – and this wouldn't maybe be considered communism, but it's privatized democracy, right?
02:26:38.700It's like we have – like we don't have the post office anymore.
02:26:54.760So instead of the game – because what it is is that in most people's minds, they have kind of roughly at least the idea of like capitalism versus socialism.
02:27:04.960And I understand – I'm speaking like with a broad brush here.
02:27:08.040But like they're like, OK, so like on one hand, you have like the government isn't involved and it's all like competition in private companies.
02:27:14.520And then on the other hand, you have like the government's much more involved and the government takes over these services.
02:27:18.860But really what we have isn't either of those.
02:27:20.920What we have is gigantic multinational corporations that long ago bought off the government.
02:27:27.320So you have this huge government that's involved, but it's just working for these private interests.
02:27:57.220Yeah, like even like – that's why I think very – the uber wealthy, they don't care that much about the police and shit because they have their own security.
02:28:02.900They have – they're not fucking worried about that.
02:28:04.920Well, that's the crazy thing and it has really – it's been one of the things that I think turned Americans against Hollywood.
02:28:11.940But there's something about like kind of the like elite progressive, you know, like – the people who lecture everybody else about guns and support gun control, but they have armed security.
02:29:20.640And I will say – you know, I won't like divulge too much stuff that we said in private, but he is really big on this Doge thing.
02:29:28.060And he's like, listen, man, me and Elon got some tricks up our sleeves and we're going to get some – we're going to be very effective with this.
02:29:34.680Essentially, what they're going to do is make policy recommendations.
02:29:38.480And their recommendations already are going to be massive cuts in government spending, which is, I think, the absolute correct answer.
02:29:45.700And so I'm at least excited to see that, like, that's being interjected into the public.
02:29:50.560And him and Elon are both – I mean, these are brilliant guys.
02:29:53.460So maybe they could really come up with something here.
02:30:14.180Yeah, and I don't want to sound too gloom and doom, too.
02:30:16.140Well, but even just now, it's like forgetting – like, the debt is a major problem, and we're going off, like, the fiscal cliff, and we're not going to be able to keep this up.
02:30:23.120But even just right now, the reason we're racking up so much debt is because the government spends so much money every year.
02:30:28.940And this is – that is the corruption.
02:30:31.120It's not like a symptom of the corruption.
02:30:32.940It's like you got an organization in Washington, D.C. that by force extracts $6 trillion of wealth away from the American people every year and then give it out to their connected friends.
02:31:00.900Like, that's – and even – and like I said before, the other big thing is that in order to have such a big government, what you need is – because you can never tax people enough to pay for all this shit.
02:31:12.020And they can't even borrow enough money to pay for all of it, so they have to just constantly be printing money.
02:31:16.940And that sends us into living in an inflationary world where everything is constantly getting more expensive and the value of your dollar is constantly going down.
02:31:25.040And again, this is – if you're rich, it's fine.
02:31:29.220If you own stuff, you can kind of protect yourself from it because the value of your assets goes up too.
02:31:35.340But for middle class and working class and people on a fixed income, this just destroys them, absolutely destroys them.
02:31:41.880I mean, look, the price inflation over the last few years has just like – I don't even know.
02:31:46.960The Federal Reserve keeps numbers on this stuff, but I don't know if they've done it over the recent wave of price inflation.
02:31:52.380But how many marriages get destroyed by this?
02:31:55.880People commit suicide over stuff like this.
02:31:59.800It's the same way they didn't think whenever they – they don't care.
02:32:04.400They don't – it's the same way they didn't care that every AA room and meeting was going to shut down when they started COVID or whenever COVID started.
02:32:14.640It's the same way that they didn't care about the pill epidemic that's taken hundreds of thousands, 600,000 lives.
02:32:23.580And not to mention the ripple effect of those deaths that have broken the hearts of mothers and children and wives and husbands.
02:32:39.920But then also, I also have to remember that throughout history, people have lived in this exact same space, feeling like their government did not care about them.
02:33:29.400Daryl Cooper just put out the prologue for his new World War II series and the first one is so good.
02:33:34.100But all talking about like – and this is like a forgotten chapter of history.
02:33:37.880But after World War II, ethnic Germans, not even living in Germany, weren't even living under the Third Reich just in Eastern Europe, just got totally – like slaughtered by the millions, raped and beaten and ethnically cleansed.
02:33:51.020Like there were so – and this is obvious.
02:33:53.460I only lead with that because it's like the one that people don't know as much about.
02:33:56.940But like obviously there were Jews who just happened to live in Germany or in Eastern Europe.
02:34:00.940There were Russians and Poles and just all types of people who just got destroyed.
02:34:07.940But at the same time, I do think it's your point being – especially when you see like the corporate media and you see the way they freak out over January 6th, the way they freak out over whatever it would be.
02:34:23.600And the latest thing Donald Trump says.
02:34:25.760And then you sit there and you go, yeah, you know, 100,000 people die of overdoses in this country every year.
02:34:32.900And by the way, calling them overdoses is not entirely accurate.
02:34:39.200Yeah, poisoning is more – I mean when you're talking about the fentanyl thing, I mean at least for me, when my whole life – when I thought of what the word overdose meant, what overdose meant to me was essentially like you become such a drug addict that you build up such a tolerance that you got to take so much drugs in order to get high that eventually you have to take so much that it kills you before you even get to like feel good.
02:35:05.220But that's not the same thing as someone thinking they're taking a Percocet and it actually has fentanyl in it and then they just kill themselves.
02:35:12.440That's not exactly an overdose, right?
02:35:24.480Well, what I just say is like – it's just like say like, OK, I understand that like some people broke some windows of the Capitol building on January 6th.
02:35:31.460And I understand that AOC was real scared for 20 minutes or whatever.
02:35:34.720OK, but like that – the amount of coverage and outrage that that gets compared to 100,000 of your fellow Americans being poisoned to death every year.
02:35:53.620So we'll make – now we'll make money off of it.
02:35:56.260Well, I'll say this, dude, and this is like – I'm mildly embarrassed to admit this.
02:36:00.960But as somebody who's like obsessed with this shit and talks about politics all the time, it wasn't until Bobby Kennedy ran for president and he goes – he goes, you know, America leads the world in chronic illness.
02:36:12.040And I remember being like, is that right?
02:36:14.860Do we lead the – like I didn't even know that we led the world in chronic illness.
02:36:19.220And it's like just – it took Bobby Kennedy – why has no one else who's run for president ever brought this up?
02:36:23.740How is this not a thing that we all talk about all the time?
02:36:26.360Well, Bernie Sanders talks about a good bit of it a lot.
02:36:28.360Well, he talks about – Bernie Sanders talks about the health insurance stuff.
02:36:31.980He talks about the Medicare for all stuff.
02:36:33.680But I never really heard anyone talking about what Bobby's talking about in terms of like why are we so sick?
02:36:39.200Like forget whether you think we need universal health care or private health care or whatever, like whatever health insurance you're talking about.
02:36:44.700I'm saying like why are we so sick as a people to begin with?
02:36:49.060And that's more about like what we're eating, like what we're consuming.
02:36:54.840But okay, then say if there's these forces and they see like, okay, we can poison them this much and we can make the money here and this.
02:37:00.520But why – what do they get out of all of it?
02:37:03.760Or do you think there's just such a level of wealth and control that after generation and generation, you just start to see it as a game almost?
02:37:10.960Like that's the part I can't understand because I couldn't understand – like at a certain point, you start to do well and then you want to help other people, like whether it's like build a facility for drug people or whatever it is, right?
02:37:24.020Like get clean water, like do something – like I can't understand getting to the part where you start to see people just as nothing more than some – than basically ghosts to launder your money through.
02:37:39.140Well, I do think that when you get – well, obviously like –
02:37:47.460Like so much of it is just like, oh, there are these companies that make tons of money off this shit.
02:37:51.560But I do think that there's like a mentality that gets developed when you get to a certain level of power where like – the same thing like with – like if there's companies, like if there's a little mom and pop store,
02:38:04.300they kind of know everyone in the area and they kind of care a little bit more, they're more connected to the community.
02:38:09.200When you're talking about like a giant corporation, you're just kind of like a cog in a machine to them.
02:38:13.820But when you get to like the top, top level of power – and I think they've been pretty explicit about this.
02:38:19.480I mean Henry Kissinger pretty much like admitted this in his own words, that people are pawns on a chessboard.
03:01:11.020And I love that you always seem to have like this open ended like you're not really you're not attached.
03:01:18.000You don't it feels you don't really attach yourself to you don't get overly attached.
03:01:24.480Well, I try to be I try to be attached to principles, you know, and not be attached to politicians.
03:01:30.980So, you know, it's like I supported Trump in this last election just because I thought Kamala Harris was I thought she was such an insult to all of us.
03:01:38.240You know, like it was like, come on, you can't actually do this.
03:01:40.780And to not have a primary and then just hand select her.
03:01:44.300And then all the all the lying about Biden, all the going around with the lying about Biden was crazy.
03:02:21.640And it's also just a thing where it's like you would see this all the time, especially during the election.
03:02:27.320I mean, I remember being on a couple of these shows that I do where I think I said to Pierce Morgan at one point, like I was just like I was like, maybe everyone will be willing to have a conversation in a couple of weeks once this election's over.
03:02:37.880But right now everyone's just in their dumb like because you're you get to a point where you're like, I got to just win.
03:02:54.540Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's really how I am.
03:02:56.800I'm not like I'm not the I was never the biggest Republican or the biggest Democrat.
03:03:00.700I feel like I was always I mean, I guess I voted Democrat, had voted Democrat most of my life, you know, but I want there to be more parties than there are.
03:03:10.020You know, I want I just want things to be real or I just want to know what's really going on.
03:03:16.080I just don't like being like taken advantage of.
03:03:20.440And so, yeah, I think that's my biggest curiosity, you know, usually is is trying to think trying to get things to be fair.
03:03:26.880Um, and yeah, just have a voice if I'm right or wrong.
03:03:31.220You know, I tried, you know, I tried to speak up for what I felt like was it seemed like try to be the best, you know, or whatever I thought was the best.
03:03:38.100But then sometimes you're also so deceived.
03:04:11.100So like this guy might be lying to me or the guy he's talking to about might be lying to me.
03:04:17.000And, you know, there are things like this.
03:04:18.540All it's like, you know, there's, you know, part of the thing when the people on CNN or whatever, they'll be like, there's misinformation on the Internet.
03:05:25.340Yeah, I've got a bunch of ticket links and dates that are up there already, and there should be more on the website in the next week or so.