This Past Weekend with Theo Von - E555 Dave Smith

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00:01:14.320 Today's guest is a comedian, a podcaster, and a social commentator.

00:01:19.200 You know him from his show, Part of the Problem.

00:01:23.580 And you also know him from Legion of Skanks with Big J and Luis J. Gomez.

00:01:28.420 We get into a lot of topics in this one, one of them being the Israel and Palestine conflict,

00:01:34.840 which we've been learning about on this show over the year.

00:01:38.440 We recorded this on Monday, January 13th, which is why there was no talk of the ceasefire.

00:01:43.960 Just wanted to make that note.

00:01:46.160 I'm really grateful for his time and his insight.

00:01:51.080 And today's guest is comedian Dave Smith.

00:01:54.840 I mean, that's most of my goal each day is to just babysitting myself.

00:02:13.960 A lot of it.

00:02:15.120 Well, that's a good way to do it.

00:02:17.460 We're going to have some other people help babysit you. 0.99

00:02:19.680 Oh, I'd like to get to that point, you know.

00:02:22.780 I think I would like to get to that point, get a spouse or get a spouse or something.

00:02:33.100 Yeah.

00:02:34.360 Caretaker or even get in a hospice, dude.

00:02:36.120 I have some friends.

00:02:37.320 You just want, but not dying, but just have hospice care.

00:02:39.580 That's a new thing.

00:02:40.420 A lot of guys.

00:02:41.360 Really?

00:02:41.980 Yeah.

00:02:42.200 See if you bring that up, if you bring young men going to live. 0.99

00:02:47.680 My buddy, Caleb Presley, you know who he is?

00:02:49.560 He works with Barstool, long hair.

00:02:51.480 Yeah, I think so.

00:02:52.520 He does the Sunday conversation.

00:02:54.580 Okay.

00:02:56.360 He lives in a senior retirement home.

00:03:00.360 How old is he?

00:03:01.100 He got loopholed in, I think, 33, 34.

00:03:04.220 That's getting an early start.

00:03:05.540 Loves at tanning, listening to him argue, stuff like that.

00:03:10.480 It's down in Florida.

00:03:12.500 So it's a, yeah, he gets all of that, three meals a day or like two and a half meals.

00:03:17.660 I'm not sure what they're doing.

00:03:18.940 I feel, is there a gym there?

00:03:20.100 I feel like you'd feel really good about yourself in the gym.

00:03:22.860 Like if you're just like, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:03:24.160 Like, just like, yeah, I'm fucking wrecking these fools here, dude. 1.00

00:03:27.280 Like, I'm the only one going hard. 1.00

00:03:29.900 That's a good point, dude. 1.00

00:03:31.620 Some guy's just fucking. 1.00

00:03:33.620 Like, look at this chump. 1.00

00:03:34.980 Some guy just zoned out. 0.66

00:03:38.220 Some, I was like, I was Mr. Olympian, 1938.

00:03:43.660 Some dude just hopped up on ED pills, you know?

00:03:47.260 That's got to be the scary thing, I think, when you get to a certain age is risking the erection,

00:03:52.120 going for the erection because of the blood, just moving all the blood to one.

00:03:57.280 You know? 0.93

00:03:57.760 Oh, yeah.

00:03:58.440 You're probably going to, you probably can't stand up.

00:04:00.740 To that battlefront, yeah.

00:04:01.960 But that's like, there's got to be something.

00:04:04.860 It's probably a real compliment to a chick if you're like, I'm risking it all.

00:04:09.080 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:09.560 I'm risking it all just to try to fuck you right now. 1.00

00:04:12.060 That's the ultimate, like, nothing could be any better. 1.00

00:04:15.040 Yeah.

00:04:15.420 My grandfather lived in like a, I don't know what, nursing home type deal for like a couple years before he died.

00:04:23.040 But he was really, the people who work there, it was just such a funny dynamic.

00:04:27.860 It was like all, it was like all black people from like the inner city and then like old Jews. 1.00

00:04:35.920 And they, all the black people who work there are just rolling their eyes at these old people the whole time. 0.89

00:04:40.680 My grandfather, every time I went to see him, he accused them of stealing from him. 0.96

00:04:44.640 None of these people were ever stealing from him.

00:04:46.300 None of them.

00:04:46.820 It was just pure racism.

00:04:48.940 Like it was just, and it was like things that like, he'd be like, they took the art off the wall.

00:04:53.080 And I'd be like, there was no art on this wall.

00:04:54.960 This is all in your mind.

00:04:56.200 He's like, there's not now.

00:04:57.580 He made me, he made me move a dress.

00:05:00.400 I was like 12.

00:05:01.300 And he made me move this big dresser to check if there was change behind it.

00:05:06.060 Oh, yeah.

00:05:06.780 And then there was nothing.

00:05:08.180 And I was like, there's no change behind it.

00:05:09.520 And he was like, they stole it.

00:05:11.460 And I was like, wait, there was supposed to be change behind it?

00:05:13.960 Like you were keeping your change behind the dresser?

00:05:16.240 That's the Jewish change behind the dresser trick, I think, isn't it? 1.00

00:05:19.160 It's just insane. 0.99

00:05:20.980 You're Jewish?

00:05:21.860 You're?

00:05:22.160 Yeah.

00:05:22.560 Yeah, I am.

00:05:23.440 You are.

00:05:24.340 And so are you Israeli too?

00:05:27.240 Is that the same thing?

00:05:28.360 No.

00:05:28.940 No, no, no.

00:05:29.440 Israel's the nation.

00:05:30.660 I have nothing to do with that.

00:05:31.940 Okay.

00:05:32.560 But are some, are some Jew, but someone's Jewish.

00:05:36.880 They're just, they're just means that they have family that's from Israel originally?

00:05:40.200 No, not even necessarily.

00:05:41.820 It's just like you, it's, you know, Judaism. 0.54

00:05:44.680 It's a weird thing because it's like a religion, but then it's also kind of a race.

00:05:47.880 And then it's kind of a nationality with Israel.

00:05:50.260 So basically a bunch of Jews went and started their own country in Israel in the 40s.

00:05:56.880 But these were Jews from Europe who went to, you know, now, according to the Bible or whatever,

00:06:01.660 thousands of years ago, we were all from there.

00:06:03.280 But the Jews from Europe went and started there, but lots of other Jews just didn't leave Europe

00:06:07.540 or didn't leave America.

00:06:08.640 And so they never had anything to do with Israel.

00:06:11.920 Yeah.

00:06:12.340 Oh, okay.

00:06:13.340 But they still play on kind of like your, you know, come on, you got to support us

00:06:18.840 because we're for you.

00:06:20.160 We're, this is the Jewish state.

00:06:21.600 This is what protects Jewish people.

00:06:23.040 So a lot of Jews do feel sympathy to Israel, even the ones who don't have like any, any connection,

00:06:27.900 even ones who have never been there.

00:06:29.080 Okay.

00:06:29.940 Got it.

00:06:30.900 Got it.

00:06:31.480 Okay.

00:06:31.880 No, that's interesting.

00:06:32.740 Yeah.

00:06:32.860 Cause sometimes I wonder like, yeah, cause I start hearing about like Jewish, then I

00:06:36.580 hear Zionist and Zionist means.

00:06:39.860 Zionist means, I think technically speaking, Zionist means you believe that Jews should

00:06:45.740 have a homeland in what is now called Israel.

00:06:49.240 So that's more like the belief that Jews should have this country over there. 0.89

00:06:54.280 Um, and then there now, then there's like kind of a separation between that and someone

00:07:01.500 could theoretically be a Zionist, but also be like the way they're doing it over there 0.98

00:07:05.400 is all wrong.

00:07:06.400 Right.

00:07:06.840 So you don't have to like support the government, but Zionist typically means that, but now it's

00:07:11.100 just kind of become, it's become shorthand for someone who supports Israel.

00:07:15.460 Okay.

00:07:16.340 Okay.

00:07:16.600 So it's someone who supports the country Israel.

00:07:18.400 Right.

00:07:18.640 Is Zionist. 0.89

00:07:19.580 And what sometimes I see black Zionist, is that just like, is that like Zionism just 0.93

00:07:23.880 like with a backbeat or whatever?

00:07:25.060 Like what is it?

00:07:26.020 Cause I, you know what I'm talking about?

00:07:27.900 Yes.

00:07:28.400 That, well, those guys, they're like, we're the reels.

00:07:30.580 And I'm like, I don't know what is going on.

00:07:33.200 Those guys, uh, they were, so I grew up in New York city and they would always be out

00:07:37.420 like in midtown Manhattan and there was no, let me tell you something.

00:07:40.860 And Theo, I mean, I've come up around some incredibly talented comedians.

00:07:44.300 I've seen some of the best in the world.

00:07:45.780 There is no better comedy show than being like 15 and just sitting there and watching

00:07:51.720 these guys.

00:07:52.400 They'd scream at people and then people would get furious back at them.

00:07:56.040 I've watched like they, cause their thing is that they're the real Jews. 1.00

00:07:59.160 And then they get like little old Jewish men will start yelling at them. 0.81

00:08:02.520 No, you're not the real Jew. 0.99

00:08:03.460 I'm the real Jew.

00:08:04.160 And we would just be like stone teenagers just watching, just loving it.

00:08:07.920 It's like with the real slim savings, please stand up, you know, is that an okay Jewish 1.00

00:08:12.380 joke to make or not?

00:08:14.300 That's, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it was good.

00:08:17.340 Just, yeah, sorry.

00:08:18.460 I thought that was pretty, that was pretty good.

00:08:21.220 No, so they, I don't know what their whole claim is.

00:08:23.520 I don't know, but they say they're the real Jews and the Jews are just pretending to be 0.99

00:08:27.300 the Jews, but they're really the white devils or something. 0.99

00:08:30.720 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:30.920 Cause that's a new thing I've been seeing.

00:08:32.600 I would see it.

00:08:33.640 And then sometimes I wouldn't see it.

00:08:34.960 And now in different, when I'm in, uh, sometimes I'm performing different cities, you'll

00:08:37.900 see a group of black Zionists and they're trying to get you in this something, you 1.00

00:08:41.620 know, and I can't tell what it is.

00:08:43.040 And, but yeah, and then you see, you hear a lot of different terms.

00:08:45.660 So, um, yeah, I was just curious about that.

00:08:48.000 Um, Dave Smith, thanks for joining, man.

00:08:50.080 Absolutely.

00:08:50.400 You are a comedian and a, I want to say like a politico.

00:08:55.120 Is that fair to say kind of, or sure?

00:08:57.260 You're like somebody with a point of view.

00:08:58.980 Yeah, definitely that. 0.99

00:09:00.020 I love, I, I'm obsessed with politics and I talk a lot of shit about it. 0.77

00:09:04.600 So yeah, I guess whatever you want to call that, but yeah. 0.90

00:09:07.220 And you're very funny, man.

00:09:08.480 Um, thank you.

00:09:09.300 And, um, and you are a libertarian.

00:09:12.640 Is that right?

00:09:13.140 Yes.

00:09:13.580 Okay.

00:09:14.080 And this is awesome, man.

00:09:15.180 Cause so much of my audience and me really is just like, I don't know what a lot of the

00:09:19.220 terminology is.

00:09:20.180 Right.

00:09:20.760 Um, like even asking you about Zionists, like you hear it, but you're like, what is

00:09:24.620 it?

00:09:24.840 Right.

00:09:25.520 What is, what is libertarian mean?

00:09:28.040 Uh, to, to me, it's basically just, it's the belief in like in, in self ownership, in

00:09:36.480 non-aggression and private property.

00:09:38.500 Basically the idea of libertarianism is that like you own your body, you own your life.

00:09:43.140 You ought to be free.

00:09:44.080 So long as you're not impeding on the rights of other people, you ought to be able to do

00:09:49.420 whatever you want to do.

00:09:50.820 Okay.

00:09:51.120 Um, and so a belief in free market capitalism, peace, non-intervention, and just basically

00:09:57.000 the idea of what the idea of what most people think of Americanism as that like, oh yeah,

00:10:03.100 you have freedom of speech.

00:10:04.040 You have the right to own a gun.

00:10:05.060 You have the right to own some property of the right to, to live your life the way you

00:10:09.080 see best.

00:10:10.460 And do, do libertarians believe in government?

00:10:14.020 Well, there's a range of, of different, you know, thoughts within libertarians.

00:10:20.180 I, to the extent that libertarians believe in government, we believe like the role of

00:10:24.060 government is to protect people's liberty.

00:10:26.440 Um, the government shouldn't be doing anything more than that.

00:10:28.860 Like if they're doing anything more than that, then they've become tyrannical.

00:10:32.120 Yeah.

00:10:32.620 Which I think is true.

00:10:33.520 I think is just objectively true.

00:10:35.000 Like no matter what is, if government's doing anything that is more than just protecting

00:10:41.120 property or protecting people, then it's always at the expense of someone, even if they're

00:10:46.380 giving somebody something, they're taking it from someone else.

00:10:48.800 Cause they don't actually have anything themselves.

00:10:51.480 Right.

00:10:51.940 So like, what would an example of that be kind of, I mean, anything like, even if you just

00:10:55.280 took it down to like, if the government is cutting a check to one person, well, how do

00:10:59.580 they get that check?

00:11:00.880 Right.

00:11:01.040 It's not like, you know what I mean?

00:11:02.260 Like they didn't pool their money together.

00:11:04.100 Right.

00:11:04.220 People did.

00:11:05.000 They took it from someone.

00:11:06.180 They taxed one group of people to give it to another.

00:11:08.440 Got it.

00:11:08.660 So any service is falls within that.

00:11:11.420 Got it.

00:11:11.840 Understood.

00:11:13.080 Um, cool, man.

00:11:14.440 Yeah.

00:11:14.720 I, um, okay.

00:11:17.160 So that's good information.

00:11:18.380 Thanks.

00:11:19.200 What, uh, let's talk about some things that are happening right now.

00:11:21.760 One of the biggest ones right now is TikTok and the sale of it.

00:11:24.400 Right.

00:11:25.140 Um, like there's a big, uh, uproar right now.

00:11:27.580 You see a lot of videos on TikTok about what to do if TikTok disappears, where to go. 0.89

00:11:32.200 People like there's like safe rooms and shit.

00:11:34.040 I'm like, I think they'll figure it out, but maybe some people won't.

00:11:38.420 What do you think, um, is behind the TikTok ban?

00:11:41.860 Do you think it's actually going to get banned?

00:11:44.120 I'm very unsure about the second question.

00:11:46.760 I really don't know.

00:11:47.900 Um, it'll be interesting.

00:11:49.880 I don't use TikTok.

00:11:51.780 Um, and so I don't really have a connection to like the, but the people who love TikTok,

00:11:56.740 I've seen this too.

00:11:57.760 They're losing their minds.

00:11:58.720 Like they're like, I think they are some type of addicted to it.

00:12:01.660 Um, what's behind it is really interesting.

00:12:04.380 And I think that that's like, it's kind of a, it's a, it's a microcosm of like kind of

00:12:09.620 what's going on in general, but TikTok very quietly to people who are not like on it and

00:12:16.760 not using it.

00:12:17.440 But it became like the main like news source for young people and like in a crazy way that

00:12:24.900 for people our age, if you even think back to like when we were little kids, it's so

00:12:28.540 like, it's hard to even imagine that it's real.

00:12:31.000 It's like, Oh, they, now these young people are connected to information in a way that

00:12:36.020 totally like goes around older people at all.

00:12:39.640 They have nothing to do with it.

00:12:41.140 You know what I mean?

00:12:41.780 Like Nancy Pelosi is sitting there just furious. 1.00

00:12:44.700 Like, what is this?

00:12:45.900 No, they don't care about like, they don't even know the people on TV news, you know?

00:12:51.300 And so, okay. 1.00

00:12:53.200 When I say this, I'm not just like pulling this out of my ass. 0.99

00:12:55.360 Like there was like one, uh, it might've been the head of the ADL, but it was someone 0.99

00:12:59.240 real high up in the, in the ADL who said this.

00:13:01.700 And what is ADL?

00:13:02.500 The anti-defamation league.

00:13:04.060 Um, and then there was a anti-defamation league.

00:13:06.560 So they are, it's like graffiti or whatever.

00:13:08.040 Yeah, well, not exactly.

00:13:10.280 They're not, the name doesn't exactly describe what they do, but they're one of these, uh,

00:13:14.160 um, people.

00:13:15.060 Yes.

00:13:15.240 In fact, it was him.

00:13:16.180 It was Greenblatt.

00:13:17.300 Um, CEO of anti-defamation league.

00:13:19.380 They're a league that was started by, uh, Jewish people.

00:13:22.700 And it was kind of, at least at the beginning, I think was to be whatever fighting anti-Semitism

00:13:29.600 or exposing this stuff.

00:13:31.720 They've, they've come to be an organization that will really try to go after and ruin anybody

00:13:36.440 who's critical of Israel.

00:13:37.600 Right.

00:13:38.100 I said they had some issue with Elon.

00:13:39.600 Now I remember maybe a year ago or eight months ago or something, there was something with

00:13:43.180 him.

00:13:43.500 Maybe that was ADL.

00:13:44.620 Okay.

00:13:44.860 Yeah, it's, it's possible.

00:13:46.240 Um, but so they, one of the things that they were real upset about was that from October

00:13:52.300 7th, 23 up until now, TikTok has just been dominated by, you know, um, anti-Israel kind

00:14:02.800 of critical of this war.

00:14:04.240 That's where a lot of the young people were seeing all the images of like the Palestinian

00:14:07.680 babies dying and stuff.

00:14:09.400 The kids like, but people like beat begging for food and stuff like that.

00:14:12.880 A lot of, um, like the ICC when they tried to send like condemn Netanyahu that was loose

00:14:18.780 on there or it was real information.

00:14:20.860 But yes, yes, that's right.

00:14:22.240 And if you remember, um, it was really interesting to me, but what, I don't know, what is it like

00:14:26.680 a year ago around now?

00:14:28.580 Osama bin Laden's letter to America went viral on TikTok.

00:14:33.200 It was just so fascinating for me.

00:14:35.280 Like I'm, I'm 41.

00:14:37.160 And so I was 18 when nine 11 happened, you know, and then it's interesting to watch this

00:14:43.660 whole new generation of 18 year olds, like discover this for the first time.

00:14:47.820 And it's like, oh yeah, there was a, a whole thing went down and they're actually reading

00:14:52.520 Osama bin Laden's own letter about why he did it.

00:14:56.220 Now, of course they're young lefties.

00:14:58.380 So a lot of times, I mean, you know, they were like, Osama was right and you know, I'm 0.99

00:15:02.600 not saying they took like the best message from it, but it was interesting to watch them

00:15:05.900 kind of like engaging.

00:15:07.240 Yeah.

00:15:07.580 It's like wearing that Che Guevara shirt, you know?

00:15:09.340 Yeah.

00:15:09.860 You're like, I don't know exactly what he was doing, but yeah, it seems cool.

00:15:12.620 It seems like a vibe.

00:15:13.420 But then also to hear from like a person who was labeled completely as horrible, right?

00:15:19.400 As the enemy, like Osama bin Laden was, and to see some of their thoughts, right? 0.83

00:15:24.780 Like to see how they believe that they came to be the enemy, right?

00:15:28.600 Not taking a side in it, but just like, it's kind of fascinating that you weren't able to

00:15:33.280 really get some of those, um, in some places and some platforms, you might not be able to

00:15:37.680 hear that view.

00:15:38.720 Well, imagine, I mean, like, imagine it was just like a, like a personal thing.

00:15:42.320 Like if I, if there was like, um, if I told you, I was like in an argument with someone

00:15:46.260 like a mutual friend of ours.

00:15:47.540 And I was like, yo, me and this guy just got in a huge fight and you were like, uh, what happened? 0.72

00:15:51.400 And I was like, well, he's a monster. 0.93

00:15:53.340 He's evil. 0.99

00:15:54.280 He hates everything good. 1.00

00:15:55.700 He's made of pure venom.

00:15:57.260 And I think you, you might be like, okay, but like, what's really going on here?

00:16:01.120 Cause like, it's not a matter of taking sides to just be like, he probably has a side too,

00:16:07.560 right?

00:16:07.660 He has a point of view.

00:16:08.380 He has a point.

00:16:09.060 And, and what the American people were told, I remember when I was 18 was they hate us for

00:16:14.460 our freedom.

00:16:14.940 And like, that was the, that was all you were allowed to think of Al Qaeda right after

00:16:20.120 nine 11 was like, they did this cause they hate freedom.

00:16:22.440 They hate, they hate your mom.

00:16:24.060 They hate everything about our life.

00:16:25.580 They hate everything.

00:16:26.140 That's good.

00:16:26.920 They hate that we have, you know, whatever that we're Christian, whatever it is.

00:16:31.320 And.

00:16:32.340 Or you have freedom of religion.

00:16:33.720 They hate any of that.

00:16:34.720 Right.

00:16:35.000 There was all these, it was like, but the only way you could get that information was through

00:16:38.380 like the main network.

00:16:39.840 Yeah.

00:16:40.180 You had to listen to Dick Cheney, have a conversation with some news lady on CNN or something like

00:16:45.660 that.

00:16:46.160 But what's interesting, I think for a lot of these young people is when you read Osama bin 0.93

00:16:50.460 Laden, you realize that.

00:16:53.200 And I don't think the conclusion should be that he was right.

00:16:55.500 Obviously you're never right when you're killing civilians.

00:16:58.500 Right.

00:16:59.200 Um, but note to Israel, uh, but he had legitimate grievances and a bunch of those grievances are

00:17:06.380 things that know that they never wanted the American people to know about.

00:17:09.840 Because then you might have a slightly different feeling about the war.

00:17:12.780 I think the same thing is true with the war in Ukraine too.

00:17:15.040 It's like why they never want you to hear what Putin's issue actually is.

00:17:18.420 Why did he invade this country?

00:17:19.880 It's why they all flipped out when Tucker went and interviewed him.

00:17:22.180 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:22.380 Because you're like, oh shit, you get to hear his perspective now. 0.99

00:17:24.820 And it's not that necessarily the correct position is to side with Putin. 0.99

00:17:28.760 It's not.

00:17:29.240 Or to side with Osama. 0.64

00:17:30.500 It's not.

00:17:31.040 But it's, it's, it's not wrong to recognize that like, okay, they, he's got a point about

00:17:37.700 this.

00:17:38.180 He's got a point about that.

00:17:39.340 But Osama, aside from being an Islamist, which we all know he was. 0.95

00:17:43.380 And what does Islamist mean?

00:17:44.380 Well, meaning like a fundamentalist, you know, uh, uh, not just, um, a Muslim, but like a

00:17:51.300 believer in like the most fundamentalist doctrine of Islam.

00:17:55.000 Um, so he was that, but then he's got all these grievances listed in his, uh, declaration

00:18:00.700 of war against America and his open letter to America.

00:18:03.320 What were some of them?

00:18:04.040 Can we bring them up?

00:18:04.680 You think, or is it too deep to go into?

00:18:05.900 No, no.

00:18:06.540 I mean, I, it's not even that, that complicated.

00:18:08.940 I mean, the major ones were, uh, the number one was that we have military bases in their

00:18:14.600 holy land in Saudi Arabia.

00:18:16.220 They hate this.

00:18:17.740 They find this to be like a total, and I'm no like expert on Islam, but from their perspective,

00:18:22.000 this is blasphemy.

00:18:23.500 Oh, I can imagine that.

00:18:24.560 Say if I'm going to my church or my religious place, my place of worship.

00:18:27.840 Oh yeah.

00:18:28.120 And there's a guy sitting over there.

00:18:30.220 And a foreign military.

00:18:31.460 Right.

00:18:31.800 Foreign group, loudly drinking out of a juice box or something and, you know, pouring a 1.00

00:18:37.720 scale, you know, a loud candy in his hand. 1.00

00:18:40.020 Cause he doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:18:40.900 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:41.120 He doesn't even probably recognize that my religion even exists.

00:18:43.600 He may not.

00:18:44.100 He may, he may not.

00:18:45.100 But either way.

00:18:45.740 But still, that's going to make me fume.

00:18:47.840 Oh dude.

00:18:48.380 But also like, I mean, look, if we, even if just you looked at it from a not religious

00:18:52.180 point of view, I mean, if there was like Chinese or Russian military bases in our country and

00:18:57.900 we knew that like, they're the real boss, you know what I mean?

00:19:01.580 Like, it's not, let's get real.

00:19:03.160 America is not like on par with the Saudi government.

00:19:06.340 Right.

00:19:06.480 We're the world empire and they're our little satellite over there.

00:19:09.840 Um, that would make people infuriated.

00:19:12.640 I mean, people, people over here, liberals over here got infuriated about Trump.

00:19:17.840 Being connected to Russia.

00:19:18.880 And that wasn't even true.

00:19:19.980 So like, imagine it was true and there were Russian bases like all over the play.

00:19:24.260 People would lose their minds.

00:19:25.360 Yeah.

00:19:25.740 So we wouldn't stand for it.

00:19:26.760 That was a major, uh, that was the major one, but it's the military bases.

00:19:30.400 It was us, us, our support for Israel and what they do to the Palestinians. 0.93

00:19:35.120 And then he mentioned that.

00:19:36.920 Oh yeah.

00:19:37.400 Yeah.

00:19:37.760 This was the major, major part.

00:19:39.780 Wow.

00:19:40.020 I didn't know that.

00:19:40.680 Yes.

00:19:41.280 So they, they were furious about that because they, you know, Israel is not too kind to their

00:19:45.960 Palestinian neighbors.

00:19:46.960 And so they, that was a big part of it.

00:19:49.940 Yeah.

00:19:50.140 It's heartbreaking over there.

00:19:51.140 Oh yeah.

00:19:51.500 And, and, and, and you know, the war, this has been the worst thing that Israel has ever 0.99

00:19:55.640 done to the Palestinians over the last year plus, but it's not like this is where it started.

00:19:59.560 It was going on since.

00:20:00.900 Yeah.

00:20:01.100 We had some, we had some guys come on and talk about, um, Israel and Palestine, just like

00:20:05.920 the histories of both of them.

00:20:07.060 You know, it was cool.

00:20:08.240 We had Rabbi Wolpe come on and we had, um, Basim.

00:20:13.100 Yousef.

00:20:14.000 Yousef.

00:20:14.400 Come on.

00:20:14.880 And just to give like, um, the two different kind of different sides and take us through

00:20:18.640 some, the different perspectives of history.

00:20:20.580 Um, but yeah, so this was the message right here that, uh, that Osama had written.

00:20:25.780 Right.

00:20:26.440 Yeah.

00:20:26.840 And so those were some of his big issues.

00:20:28.920 Yes.

00:20:29.300 Looks like it here.

00:20:30.060 I can't.

00:20:31.180 Okay.

00:20:31.780 Criticism of American military bases in the Middle East, condemnation of us support for

00:20:34.880 Israel, accusation of us exploitation of the region.

00:20:38.420 Number, number three.

00:20:39.780 So there, what do you, what he was specifically talking about?

00:20:42.280 Let's just say it.

00:20:42.860 So we, so what it says here is I'm not sure what we're reading, but accusations of us,

00:20:47.560 um, exploitation of the region's natural resources.

00:20:49.920 And what he's talking about there is us insisting that, um, they keep oil artificially low, uh,

00:20:57.000 the price of oil artificially low, which is true.

00:20:59.780 I mean that, you know, even just when I remember a couple of years ago when inflation was at its

00:21:04.260 worst, um, by the Biden administration, just ask the Saudis to lower the price of oil because,

00:21:10.360 you know, then we'll, that'll make prices cheaper here.

00:21:12.860 Help face less political pressure of people being mad about gas being so expensive.

00:21:16.300 But when you really think about what that, the ask is there, the ask is, Hey, make your

00:21:22.540 people poorer so that our people can be richer.

00:21:25.900 And so this was a big beef they had too, but by lowering the value of it, basically by saying

00:21:31.300 it's worth less, right?

00:21:32.200 By selling it for less, we get cheaper energy, but your people get less money.

00:21:36.600 Um, so that was one of their major beefs.

00:21:38.620 And then the, um, at the time you got to remember, cause this was in the nineties or actually

00:21:43.140 I'm not sure the letter to America might've been later, but his declaration of war against

00:21:48.120 America was like in 96.

00:21:49.660 But so the big thing at the time was the, um, Clinton's bombing campaign of Iraq and his

00:21:54.980 blockade of Iraq.

00:21:56.140 So there's like, it's debated how many people died from it.

00:21:59.660 The UN estimated at one point that 500,000 children had died from starvation and malnutrition.

00:22:05.000 So that was enough.

00:22:05.980 So it's like, he had all these grievances and a lot of them involved the U S either directly 0.99

00:22:11.940 or indirectly killing Muslim kids.

00:22:15.360 And you know, I mean, look, I, I, obviously you're, he's wrong for doing terrorism, but 0.96

00:22:21.460 I think most of us could admit that like, yeah, if anyone, you know, if, if any of us

00:22:26.720 like children that we care about, we're being slaughtered, we might be ready to do some violent

00:22:31.240 stuff on behalf of that too.

00:22:33.060 I mean, depending on what perspective you look up, Robin hood is a tale of a terrorist.

00:22:36.460 It depends on what perspective you look at it through.

00:22:38.340 Yeah, no, I mean, look, and, and that's, or, or, you know, you don't understand, does

00:22:42.080 that make any sense to you a little bit?

00:22:43.140 Yeah.

00:22:43.240 Yeah.

00:22:43.420 Well, I think the, um, I think according to the British empire, our founding fathers were

00:22:47.160 a bunch of terrorists probably. 0.61

00:22:48.400 Right.

00:22:48.640 Oh, well, when you could look back through American history, I mean, what we did a lot

00:22:51.160 to the native Americans, sure.

00:22:52.420 They had huge beef amongst each other, but they were also blatantly lied to and taken advantage

00:22:59.740 of countless times by other people that had come in, you know, by white settlers that

00:23:03.680 had come in or, um, and by the Spanish as well.

00:23:07.100 You know, a lot of times that all gets put onto, uh, honkies or whatever, but it was

00:23:11.160 also darker honkies, the Spanish, you know, just so you know, we don't even consider them 1.00

00:23:15.880 white.

00:23:16.220 Okay.

00:23:16.480 So it was really your beef is with each other, but, um, but let's, so let's, let's tie this

00:23:20.920 back into the tick tock.

00:23:22.580 Okay.

00:23:23.160 So you're saying that it's because, and this, I believe that yet one of the main reasons

00:23:28.440 tick tock has been banned is, or is there's a threat of the ban or the force of the sale

00:23:32.860 is because they don't want it to be in the hands of a place where they can't have,

00:23:37.100 um, the other side of the story come out, whether it be about Palestine or about anything.

00:23:43.540 No, the cover story, the reason they claimed at first that they were trying to ban it was

00:23:48.560 because of China, but it really wasn't until the war broke out in Gaza that this pressure

00:23:55.440 kind of started mounting.

00:23:56.620 But the China thing, I mean, I don't know, you know, I remember like Tucker did a whole

00:24:01.280 thing on this back when he still had the show on Fox news and he was showing the thing where

00:24:05.120 like, I don't know, have you ever seen like the way the algorithm on tick tock works in

00:24:09.220 China compared to the way it works in America?

00:24:11.560 There's just more educational and fun.

00:24:13.280 The number one trending video for 17 year olds in China is like a kid playing the violin or

00:24:17.820 something.

00:24:18.180 And then ours is just some chick twerking, you know, like on a sports car or something 1.00

00:24:21.680 like that.

00:24:22.100 And then they were like kind of saying like, oh, see, it's China's poisoning our kids minds.

00:24:27.120 But I always thought, I mean, I don't know what the answer is, but like, isn't it possible

00:24:31.980 that our kids are just poisoning our own minds?

00:24:33.900 Yeah. 0.98

00:24:34.100 Like their algorithm is just showing them this garbage and their algorithm is showing them

00:24:38.220 this.

00:24:38.440 Cause like if I go, if I just made a conscious effort to go on Twitter every day and only

00:24:42.480 look up like violin lessons, I'm sure that's what the algorithm would start sending me after

00:24:47.880 a while.

00:24:48.220 So I, I've always like been suspicious that is like, I think our culture is just messed

00:24:52.500 up and that's our worst enemy at a lot of the same time, because it's like, we want

00:24:56.720 certain things, but we're not willing to, um, let go of any comforts or any, or really battle

00:25:03.520 some of our addictive natures, you know?

00:25:05.560 Um, I think some of that's too, is just a side effect of capitalism and a side effect

00:25:10.780 of comfort over time and a side effect of like kind of deterioration of our society.

00:25:15.720 You know, like, even if you look at like, I was reading this the other day about pornography,

00:25:19.700 like a lot of the, the videos in progress, someone will be like dad's daughter.

00:25:25.460 Dad's when you really think about the fact that that's how they're, you know what I'm

00:25:28.780 saying?

00:25:28.960 It's like, there's, somebody has a dark goal to tear down like the little things like

00:25:34.580 family, things that matter.

00:25:35.840 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:36.220 Like, so, um, you know, I, I was wondering, I remember asking a friend about this, like

00:25:42.100 this was a while ago, but it was 10 years ago or something like that.

00:25:46.220 But it was like, when I started noticing that I was like, what's up with all the porn categories

00:25:50.240 of like family swap and this and that.

00:25:53.080 And a buddy of mine said this to me and I thought, oh man, that kind of makes sense.

00:25:56.960 But he was like, oh, you know what it is?

00:25:58.600 Is he goes nowadays, like families are so broken up and mishmashed and everyone's from divorces

00:26:04.400 and everything that so many people grew up with like a step mom and step siblings.

00:26:10.640 So you'd just be a kid.

00:26:12.200 And then all of a sudden you got like these new girls who aren't your mother and sister,

00:26:18.500 you know what I mean?

00:26:19.040 Like living in your house.

00:26:20.420 And so they're like, that's what led to that, which I don't know if that theory is correct

00:26:24.080 or not.

00:26:24.420 It sounds like that dude. 0.99

00:26:25.300 I thought that was kind of, I was like, yeah, either he's a really sick person or you're 0.97

00:26:29.040 onto something.

00:26:29.800 That guy sounds like he was building a, like he was literally using you to build a case

00:26:34.000 for, for a future indictment he was going to face, but no, it's kind of, he came out

00:26:38.320 with it really quickly too.

00:26:39.500 Like it was, he's like, we just signed, signed this petition right here, Dave.

00:26:43.700 I'm so glad you asked.

00:26:45.000 I've been dying to talk to someone about this.

00:26:47.420 Um, but let me, I'm trying to tie this.

00:26:49.340 What were we talking about in my mind?

00:26:50.580 Just like TikTok and then, but TikTok.

00:26:52.820 Yeah.

00:26:52.940 Like, um, yeah, we're also part of the, our own pro it's like, we just keep creating this

00:26:56.820 stuff, but, um, or just ridiculousness we, and we get addicted to the ridiculousness,

00:27:01.180 but also some of that's part of the freedom of just being in a place where you can make

00:27:04.780 whatever you want.

00:27:06.160 Um, and you have that like freedom of creation kind of to an extent or freedom of your own

00:27:11.620 creativity.

00:27:12.180 Some places you can't even really be creative in because it's not, um, it's not, not allowed,

00:27:18.540 but the expressions of certain creativities aren't, um, yeah, I don't buy the Chinese.

00:27:23.820 I don't, I don't know if I buy the Chinese thing or not, because to me, it's like, aren't 1.00

00:27:28.140 all these apps, like all of them seem like they're foreign to me.

00:27:33.540 Yeah.

00:27:34.080 Like they're.

00:27:34.880 And what difference does it make? 0.97

00:27:35.920 I mean, I, I just, you know, I know people were giving me shit cause I said something about 0.85

00:27:39.780 this on, uh, on Pierce Morgan show the other day, but you know, they were trying to make 0.95

00:27:44.480 it out.

00:27:44.920 Like it was, it was, the topic was about how, um, Mark Zuckerberg just announced that he's

00:27:50.480 going to let people talk on Facebook again or whatever.

00:27:53.320 Um, and you know, they, someone was arguing with me that like, well, the government, the

00:27:58.920 U S government has to like have these conversations with Facebook because all of these foreign 1.00

00:28:03.640 governments are trying to propagandize us.

00:28:05.880 And I'm just like, I don't know after the last few years, how, how are you going to tell

00:28:12.340 me that the, that DC should get in charge because other people are trying to lie to us.

00:28:17.400 Like all of the most blatant, most consequential lies have come from my own government.

00:28:22.180 So like, I just don't get worked up over this.

00:28:24.680 Like Iran is trying to propaganda.

00:28:27.160 I agree.

00:28:27.560 So like, tell me when was the last time Iran had like an effective propaganda campaign that 0.94

00:28:32.280 actually, you know, like, like led to something in America.

00:28:35.620 Okay.

00:28:36.100 Well, my own government had this country, like literally had people like cutting family members

00:28:41.060 out of their lives cause they didn't take a vaccine.

00:28:43.480 Yeah.

00:28:43.660 And the Russia gate hoaxes.

00:28:45.060 Yeah.

00:28:45.260 The Russia, you literally sat here all you guys, four years and literally told us that what

00:28:49.720 if true would have been the biggest story in the history of the United States of America.

00:28:52.920 Nothing true at all.

00:28:53.800 But, but, but imagine if it were true, like you were making the claim that the sitting

00:28:58.060 president of the United States of America is involved in a conspiracy with a hostile

00:29:02.360 foreign power. 1.00

00:29:03.020 It was all bullshit. 0.99

00:29:04.300 And all you guys still have your jobs. 1.00

00:29:06.180 Yeah.

00:29:06.420 All the people who sold that are still the ones complaining on the news today that no one

00:29:09.860 trusts them without even thinking about that.

00:29:12.140 Yeah.

00:29:12.360 And you could ask in a regular, I'm a pretty regular guy.

00:29:15.120 I think, you know, like, and I don't mean that in like a braggy way.

00:29:17.880 I just feel like I try to, you know, I try to be smarter sometimes.

00:29:21.240 It's hard for me.

00:29:22.340 I didn't.

00:29:22.960 And I realized I just have to try my best at where I'm at.

00:29:25.720 And I, I thought immediately Russia, I was like, they're running out of steam.

00:29:30.240 They have an old dude.

00:29:31.620 A lot of people go over there for perverted stuff.

00:29:34.420 You know, it's like, I could certainly see a lot of our leaders passing through there.

00:29:38.560 And you know what I'm saying?

00:29:39.740 We'll do a few favors for Russia because they don't want some videos getting released.

00:29:43.580 But I don't think that this old, you know, this, they don't seem like they're on the

00:29:49.800 cusp of, of like chain, like holding us at bay for something.

00:29:55.780 You know, I just immediately, they didn't pass the smell test to me.

00:29:58.700 Well, also just that it's Donald Trump.

00:30:00.780 I mean, like, say whatever you want about Donald Trump.

00:30:03.360 He was a known commodity.

00:30:05.040 He's like the most American thing.

00:30:07.480 He's the most famous rich guy of all time.

00:30:10.160 Like you're telling me he was a Russian spy.

00:30:12.920 It just made, it made no sense.

00:30:14.880 And then they had nothing.

00:30:16.340 They had no evidence to support it at all.

00:30:18.460 Except they just beat you into it over and over again with the beliefs.

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00:33:13.340 And the thing, and that's where I think, that's really where I think the media started to go

00:33:18.760 really lose its grip on people and on control.

00:33:24.020 And so that's why I really worry a lot.

00:33:25.780 Like with this TikTok ban, I'm like, well, because if news is getting out there, right,

00:33:30.260 about all types of things, it could be like, there was also a lot of Barbara O'Neill. 0.91

00:33:36.760 Did you see those clips on her?

00:33:37.640 She's a medicine woman, an Australian medicine woman, but there was a lot of like natural

00:33:42.440 remedy stuff that started to just be put out there.

00:33:45.900 Like, I don't know if it was valid or not, but it was like, you would see a ton of it.

00:33:49.900 Like, like, so basically opposition to all these medicines, all these like prescriptions

00:33:55.840 you need.

00:33:56.600 Like, so I could see certainly how nobody, like the powers that be, if they exist, don't

00:34:03.560 want a lot of this type of information out there.

00:34:05.820 And especially with Palestine, you know, I don't think, um, you know, I don't understand,

00:34:11.660 you know, I don't understand what's going on over there.

00:34:16.040 I mean, that Netanyahu guy, um, I mean, what he's doing to these people is like, it's the 0.65

00:34:22.900 most inexcusable, just horrific thing in the world. 0.99

00:34:26.220 And the fact that, you know, like I said this on Rogan's podcast and I, I got shit for it,

00:34:31.500 but I stand by this, but it's just like, you know, it's just like throughout all the history, 0.98

00:34:35.660 there's just all this horrible shit, it's just slavery and wars and genocides and ethnic 1.00

00:34:40.320 cleansing campaigns and all this. 0.99

00:34:41.820 And every single point in history, there was someone there who would justify it and be

00:34:45.700 like, no, we have to, we have to, and for, we have reasons why it's okay to do this.

00:34:49.340 And they bend over backward and twist themselves into pretzels to explain why they're the real

00:34:53.700 victims.

00:34:54.080 And they really have to do this to these people.

00:34:56.240 Cause if they don't, then they do it to them, but it's all indefensible. 1.00

00:34:59.820 You're like, you're just defending evil shit. 0.99

00:35:01.660 And I feel the same way about Israel, man. 1.00

00:35:03.480 Like it's just to defend what they're doing to a group of people who are captive, who they've

00:35:09.360 been occupying since 1967.

00:35:11.780 You know, you've been occupying, they have, they don't have a military, they don't have

00:35:15.640 a government, they don't have an air force.

00:35:17.520 They don't have it.

00:35:17.980 They have no means of defending themselves.

00:35:20.060 And you are just destroying the place, but you're not letting the news out.

00:35:24.260 That's the thing, right?

00:35:25.160 You're not letting people get a fair take of what could potentially be going on there,

00:35:30.540 right?

00:35:30.800 You're not letting it, you're doing everything you can to stop that, right?

00:35:34.540 They always do.

00:35:35.600 They all, you know, the only thing that's different is that now it's actually a challenge for

00:35:40.220 them to do that.

00:35:41.080 So throughout, but every war relies on lies and every war relies on totally dehumanizing

00:35:46.560 the enemy.

00:35:47.040 Cause if you can't do that, you're in a lot of trouble.

00:35:49.860 You know, if you leave just a little inch of humanity for those people, then immediately

00:35:54.440 you're going to go, Oh my God, what are we doing?

00:35:56.780 Like, cause if that was your like brother's kid or your nephew, your son, your, you'd lose

00:36:02.500 your mind about someone doing that to them.

00:36:04.140 Oh, well, I think it's like, I'm not an anti-Israel guy.

00:36:07.280 I am a, but that guy seems, it just seemed, he gives me this vibe that it's evil, right?

00:36:15.280 And it's not something I'm making in my head.

00:36:17.940 It's something that starts inside of me.

00:36:20.480 It's not like I'm, cause I know it because I knew it when I, um, went to Cuba when I was

00:36:25.860 in college and I would see people that would come up to the windows and they weren't allowed

00:36:29.240 to share what they, their, uh, they had to whisper if they wanted to tell you something,

00:36:34.260 right?

00:36:34.720 Or when we went to the libraries there and they only had books that started at Fidel, their 0.98

00:36:40.220 history books started at fucking Fidel. 0.95

00:36:42.020 Yeah, that's great. 0.97

00:36:42.660 So if you're a kid and you wanted to, you couldn't, you didn't exist.

00:36:45.900 Your grandparents didn't even, whoever, your essence didn't exist, you know?

00:36:50.200 So, and they had, I read a quote somewhere that the, the, uh, Yahoo guy that his father

00:36:57.240 said that, oh, he didn't like Arabs.

00:37:00.280 Right.

00:37:00.600 And he didn't like the essence of Arabs.

00:37:03.740 And that to me was just like a thing. 1.00

00:37:06.100 Like that's the same type of shit. 0.99

00:37:08.200 It seemed like that Hitler would have said, like, I don't like whatever the, the, 1.00

00:37:12.660 the granule, the grain.

00:37:15.980 I don't like this, the, the atom of this person.

00:37:18.900 I don't know, man.

00:37:19.640 Maybe in, in, I don't know.

00:37:21.160 No, it's listen.

00:37:21.940 I mean, it's, uh, there's, you know, my, it just makes me say, and the biggest thing

00:37:25.440 it just breaks my heart. 0.74

00:37:26.280 Like, and so I know when that kind of shit's happening where my feel, it's like, that's 0.98

00:37:30.620 where it comes from. 0.97

00:37:31.400 It's like, uh, you know, it just like, I don't know.

00:37:35.420 I've always had a barometer for like the underdog, I think, you know, and maybe that's

00:37:40.120 all, maybe some of it's that too.

00:37:41.580 You know, I don't know everything. 0.99

00:37:43.060 I don't know a ton of history, you know, but, but yeah, some of that shit, it just 1.00

00:37:46.880 fucking hurts. 1.00

00:37:47.540 When you think about how many children have been killed, how many kids have been killed 1.00

00:37:50.220 over there?

00:37:51.600 Estimation.

00:37:52.340 I mean, the estimates I think are, have been so far, they're like undercounted.

00:37:58.200 I think a lot more people than we initially thought are dying.

00:38:01.320 Um, but it was, I think I saw it in the estimation, the estimate was that two thirds of the dead

00:38:07.000 were women and children.

00:38:08.620 So I don't know what, you know, exactly the breakup between the women and children is.

00:38:13.060 And I don't know if there are good numbers on that, but Gaza is 50% children.

00:38:17.600 Like that's one of the major things that makes it such a humanitarian.

00:38:20.160 Well, yeah, cause it sounds like such a fun place to kids.

00:38:22.220 Gaza.

00:38:22.660 If you tell a kid like, where are we going to go?

00:38:25.480 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:26.300 If you're like, we're going to go to Yemen or Gaza, they're going to go there. 1.00

00:38:30.080 One of the parks at Disney World.

00:38:31.360 And I don't mean that caught Gaza conservative figures show that more than 6,000 women, 11,000

00:38:38.440 children were killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the last 12 months.

00:38:41.740 I mean, it's way, this is way, way undercounted.

00:38:44.800 It seems like it to me.

00:38:45.540 Yeah.

00:38:45.900 For today, like as of right now, I think the estimates are much higher.

00:38:49.200 Here's the toughest part.

00:38:50.280 My, a lot of my Jewish friends are heartbroken by this man.

00:38:52.860 And they'll come to me and, you know, and we'll be talking about it, you know, because,

00:38:56.440 and they're just like, it's just sick that this is the guy who's representing us, you

00:39:02.640 know, and that this is the choice.

00:39:04.080 I don't understand why, but I guess if you live in Israel, then you feel like, well, these

00:39:08.600 people are going to kill us.

00:39:09.920 And so you don't have, you have to, you have no choice but to support your governor.

00:39:15.000 I mean, I don't know if you have no choice, but there, but there's definitely like, there's

00:39:20.360 this human impulse and it's, this is always what's going on with all these wars on both

00:39:25.480 sides.

00:39:25.860 Are we going to get in trouble for talking about this?

00:39:27.140 Do you think?

00:39:27.620 Yeah, probably.

00:39:28.380 I don't know.

00:39:28.960 I don't know.

00:39:29.960 But yeah, maybe I can't really get in any more trouble.

00:39:33.440 Have you been in a lot of trouble?

00:39:34.660 Well, I've been talking about it so much for the last year and I don't know what trouble

00:39:38.640 even means anymore.

00:39:40.000 I mean, I'm fine.

00:39:40.840 So like some people seem mad at me on the internet, but I don't care.

00:39:44.840 And so it's, I, it seems okay.

00:39:49.220 But you know, of course, like you, I could totally imagine that if you were like, let's say it,

00:39:54.840 one of your family members was killed by Hamas militants on October 7th, I could understand

00:39:59.760 where you'd have the attitude. 1.00

00:40:00.820 You'd be like, man, let's go fucking fuck this. 1.00

00:40:03.220 Oh, I turn it into, yeah. 1.00

00:40:04.180 I turn it into William Wallace.

00:40:05.080 You know, sure.

00:40:06.180 But that's, but that also is the same thing that's going on with the Palestinians, right? 0.98

00:40:10.680 And so a whole bunch of them, in fact, a lot more of them have seen their family members

00:40:15.280 killed and stuff.

00:40:15.980 And so they're ready to go, you know, like slaughter as many people as they can in the 0.99

00:40:19.800 same sense that like right after 9-11 Americans were like, Hey, let's go blow some shit up. 0.99

00:40:25.640 I mean, I don't know. 0.99

00:40:26.240 You tell us who did this and let's go blow them up.

00:40:28.220 And then like, even if it's not exactly the people who did it, you know?

00:40:31.260 Okay.

00:40:31.820 I mean, when we fought the war in Afghanistan, even forget Iraq that just had nothing to 0.83

00:40:35.440 do with it.

00:40:35.820 But in Afghanistan, it's like, it wasn't Afghans who attacked us.

00:40:40.180 It was, it was some Arabs who were Saudi Arabians, right?

00:40:43.580 It was Saudis and Egyptians, right? 0.86

00:40:45.660 Who were hanging out in Afghanistan.

00:40:48.640 And then we, the, with the special ops missions, we drove them all out and destroyed all their

00:40:53.040 bases.

00:40:53.660 And then it was like, okay, we got this Taliban here. 0.98

00:40:56.340 Oh, they're not exactly guilty of it, but well, something's got to be blown up. 0.79

00:40:59.900 And so we're going to go fight those guys.

00:41:02.020 So, but then the thing is that if you, the thing with Osama bin Laden's letter is that

00:41:07.000 you're like, Oh, but that's kind of their motivation too.

00:41:09.500 Like they're also a bunch of people going, Hey, we just saw a bunch of our people get

00:41:13.860 killed. 1.00

00:41:14.340 We're going to come fuck some of you guys up. 1.00

00:41:16.600 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:16.800 And so that's kind of the attitude everybody has.

00:41:19.100 Yeah.

00:41:19.200 Well, that's the crazy thing.

00:41:20.300 It's like you use, and the toughest part is the people are the ones who have to go and

00:41:24.980 shed the blood.

00:41:25.860 The people are the ones who have to have the blood shed based on what their leaders, who

00:41:31.700 they elect, and they would never elect them and tell them to do that, then choose to do.

00:41:35.800 That's what I'm just like, how does this, but then that's how things, that's just being

00:41:40.600 alive, I guess, in, in, in human sometimes as sad as that is, or that's just how humanity

00:41:45.960 has gone for a long time and society has gone and war is gone.

00:41:48.700 And, but yeah, you have to think how many Iraq, Iraqi people who had nothing to do with

00:41:54.600 9-11, if, if they had nothing to do with it, were affected by our military presence over

00:42:00.480 there and are just waiting in the wings to affect harm on new America.

00:42:06.280 Well, I mean, there's, this is why we had to deal with that insurgency over there that

00:42:09.660 took us so many years to ultimately lose to.

00:42:12.660 Um, you know, there's people, people don't like when you invade their country and destroy

00:42:18.160 and destroy their homes and kill their relatives and stuff like that. 0.69

00:42:21.380 And yeah, imagine if you think about that, first of all, nobody in Iraq had anything to 0.84

00:42:25.900 do with, with 9-11.

00:42:27.540 I mean, there were some Al Qaeda members who came into Iraq to fight as part of the insurgency

00:42:32.340 after we invaded.

00:42:33.460 But like when we invaded, there was no one in Iraq who had anything to do with 9-11 and 0.99

00:42:38.000 they must've been like, what the fuck? 0.97

00:42:40.060 Well, imagine particularly if you're a, you're like Saddam Hussein was their problem, not 0.99

00:42:45.480 ours.

00:42:45.960 Like Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator, but he wasn't our brutal dictator.

00:42:49.580 He was there.

00:42:50.100 They were the ones who had to live under Saddam Hussein.

00:42:52.480 So now they're living under this brutal dictator.

00:42:54.380 And then they got the most powerful military in the history of the world invading and just

00:42:58.560 wrecking the country all because the, well, when we could get into that, but largely because

00:43:04.620 Netanyahu wanted us to do it.

00:43:06.680 They didn't really?

00:43:07.640 Netanyahu is a huge, huge part of the war in Iraq.

00:43:10.960 Why do we keep supporting him?

00:43:13.920 It's, there's an interesting dynamic.

00:43:16.280 I mean, there's a lot of things going on.

00:43:18.640 So part of it is that there's the, well, there were the neoconservatives who were really big

00:43:26.080 in the George W. Bush years and they were all of them fanatically pro-Israel.

00:43:32.800 There is, there's AIPAC and there's the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:43:39.000 And there are these organizations in the country that will, they, it is their business to ruin

00:43:44.040 your life if you're against Israel, particularly if you're in politics and you're against Israel.

00:43:49.120 I mean, they just poured insane amounts of money.

00:43:52.520 They lost, but they tried to get Thomas Massey primaried out of his Congress seat.

00:43:58.000 He's the guy that doesn't want to have an AIPAC guy, right?

00:44:00.100 Yeah.

00:44:00.340 He's the only one who doesn't, according to him, the only one who doesn't have an AIPAC guy.

00:44:04.220 So they do not like him.

00:44:05.320 But do, but there's the other, there, there's lots of other factors involved in this.

00:44:10.020 There's also like things like, um, there's blackmail, uh, operations.

00:44:14.620 There's like, like Epstein, stuff like that.

00:44:16.940 And then there's also, um, evangelical Christians in this country fanatically support Israel as

00:44:22.600 well.

00:44:22.940 So there's like a whole bunch of forces that Israel has a, let's say a very outsized influence

00:44:29.060 on U S policy.

00:44:31.220 Is there something that I guess that, yeah, I guess I don't understand why we would support

00:44:34.520 it while they're doing that murdering.

00:44:37.140 Yeah.

00:44:37.720 Well, and then even if you, unless there's something I don't understand, like, that's

00:44:41.020 also the thing that's like, are, do we, are they just our best friend from a long time?

00:44:46.600 And that's just what it is.

00:44:48.060 And so it's like a, like, I, I just, I worry that I just also don't understand like the history

00:44:54.060 of much as why, um, why there is so much support there.

00:45:01.820 Well, it's been, but you have to have a support in the middle East.

00:45:04.360 You have to have like a friend in there.

00:45:07.120 Well, that's been, that was the thinking for a long time, right?

00:45:09.780 You know, and that it's, um, and, and that if we had, you know, there was a big concern

00:45:15.100 or a lot of people in the American security apparatus back in the day that the Soviet union

00:45:20.460 was going to take control of the middle East.

00:45:22.520 And if they really controlled that oil supply, then they would be too strong and we'd have

00:45:27.260 a real problem on our hands.

00:45:28.960 This is why, um, Jimmy Carter, who just died, uh, he in, in 1980 declared the, uh, what's

00:45:35.420 known as the Carter doctrine, where he was like, listen, we are treating the Persian Gulf

00:45:39.580 like it's America.

00:45:40.840 If essentially saying to the USSR, they had already invaded Afghanistan.

00:45:44.640 And it was like, if you invade Iran, we are going to fight on, we're going to fight with 0.99

00:45:49.820 the U S military.

00:45:50.540 Cause we won't let you have all of this.

00:45:52.200 So that's always been a concern.

00:45:53.940 And I do think that Israel being kind of like our buddy there felt like, okay, this will

00:45:59.140 be a good way that we can control the region.

00:46:01.900 But then, you know, this is a, yeah, he, this was at his state of the union in early

00:46:07.280 1980.

00:46:07.840 Yeah.

00:46:07.980 The Carter doctrine was a policy proclaimed by president of the United States, Jimmy

00:46:11.100 Carter, and his state of the union address on January 23rd, 1980, which stated the United

00:46:15.100 States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian

00:46:19.260 Gulf.

00:46:19.460 So there's a ton of business interests over there and there's a ton of, uh, like peacekeeping

00:46:25.300 or what we believe is peacekeeping over there.

00:46:27.240 By the way, there's just a, it's interesting here, right?

00:46:29.940 So this is, he's saying this in January of 1980.

00:46:33.880 It was in 1979 was when the Ayatollahs had the revolution in Iran.

00:46:39.020 So this is the government that's in Iran today, our mortal enemy. 0.60

00:46:42.220 They had just come into power.

00:46:44.040 So what Jimmy Carter is talking about doing here is defending Iran.

00:46:48.900 Iran against the Soviet union, like this country now, that is the one that they all want war 1.00

00:46:53.240 with back then.

00:46:54.240 He was like, but, but if, you know what I mean?

00:46:56.740 If Gorbachev or whoever was Gorbachev in there yet by 80.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:47:01.020 Um, they'd be like, if he goes and moves on Iran, then we're going to come to the defense 0.93

00:47:06.220 militarily of Iran, which is just kind of weird to think about now.

00:47:09.700 Um, so this was saying that if Soviet, if the Soviets intervene, um, then we're going

00:47:14.640 to come and defend Iran.

00:47:15.760 Yeah.

00:47:16.080 And they had just, well, they had just law, uh, they had just, um, lured them into the

00:47:21.580 war in Afghanistan, which was also their plan.

00:47:24.260 And this guy, uh, is a big new, is a big new Brzezinski who you see down there.

00:47:28.300 He's the national security advisor.

00:47:30.000 He had been the one who really pushed this, this policy of luring the Soviets into Afghanistan, 0.90

00:47:34.620 um, to give them their own Vietnam was the idea. 0.92

00:47:38.680 And I, a lot of people credit that as one of the major factors that brought the Soviet 0.86

00:47:42.640 union down.

00:47:43.880 Um, and so that, so we had lured them into a war in Afghanistan, but then they got real 0.99

00:47:48.780 concerned that like, while they're here, they might also just go take around.

00:47:52.640 So we better send them a message.

00:47:54.280 Like if you do that, you're going to have problems.

00:47:56.740 Wow.

00:47:57.100 So that was the idea was to keep them out of there.

00:47:58.840 It just shows you how much we've had.

00:48:00.140 Like once you become this thing, that's this entity that's trying to control everything,

00:48:05.280 how many, it's hard to keep, you know, they say like, it's hard to keep track of the lies

00:48:10.940 or whatever.

00:48:11.420 That's not really it, but it's hard to, it just seems like hard to manage.

00:48:16.260 It's hard to be an air traffic controller for the world, you know, especially when the planes

00:48:23.320 have different religions and ideas and histories and beliefs and, um, you know, uh, hopes,

00:48:33.040 you know, it's, that's, oh, it's, it's insane.

00:48:35.260 I mean, the job.

00:48:36.220 Yeah.

00:48:36.480 I mean, imagine it's just impossible.

00:48:38.520 It's impossible.

00:48:38.960 So that's what I'm saying.

00:48:39.560 It seems impossible.

00:48:40.640 And especially at a time when our own country is struggling so much.

00:48:43.120 And I don't know, me, I hope, uh, yeah, I don't mean to be like mean to Israel.

00:48:46.940 I just don't understand.

00:48:47.980 I, you know, I love my Jewish friends. 1.00

00:48:49.380 I don't understand that shit though. 0.99

00:48:50.660 I don't understand, um, why, uh, why they're doing that over there. 1.00

00:48:57.640 And then I think it falls in the power of this, the, the, the, the wealthier person to

00:49:02.520 figure it out, you know?

00:49:03.820 Well, that's right.

00:49:04.360 That's exactly right.

00:49:05.260 And it's that if you're coming from, if you're in a situation where you're look, when it comes

00:49:10.280 to Israel and Palestine, it's not, there's no parody between the two of them.

00:49:14.500 It's not like, oh, these are two nation states around the same strength.

00:49:19.140 Like Palestine does, isn't a nation state. 0.99

00:49:21.280 They don't have a government.

00:49:21.940 There's a halfway house of, of people, of, of Arabs.

00:49:25.020 Yes, exactly.

00:49:25.880 And so there's, uh, when Israel has all the power, all the leverage, all the chips. 0.79

00:49:31.680 And if you're in a situation where everybody's saying, Hey, you guys have been like at war

00:49:36.060 for so long and we want peace.

00:49:37.660 Well, who's supposed to make the first concession when one side has all the chips?

00:49:42.540 That's obviously you need that side.

00:49:44.220 Don't push me, don't push another bullying video at me unless it, that's going to be 0.99

00:49:48.840 the first one that you fucking cite. 0.99

00:49:51.200 Exactly. 0.99

00:49:51.580 That's the thing. 0.99

00:49:52.300 And that's the shit I don't understand sometimes. 0.99

00:49:54.920 Um, yeah, I don't know. 0.99

00:49:57.080 I don't understand how we would have media that would be like, so anti-bullying and then 0.92

00:50:01.420 this fucking bullying is going on and it's like, well, what kind of, who's believing 0.98

00:50:06.160 you, you know, or what, or what are we doing? 1.00

00:50:08.300 I don't know. 0.98

00:50:08.640 And also I don't fucking know, dude. 0.95

00:50:10.440 And I'm like nine days off of nicotine. 0.92

00:50:12.600 So, Oh, are you really?

00:50:13.840 Yeah.

00:50:14.140 You gave up nicotine.

00:50:15.320 Yeah.

00:50:15.600 Good for you, dude.

00:50:16.420 I mean, I guess we, were you like smoking or vaping or just doing the pouches?

00:50:20.220 Oh, I would do.

00:50:21.440 Um, I was smoked.

00:50:23.340 I was, um, I was vaping.

00:50:25.400 Okay.

00:50:25.820 I was vaping.

00:50:26.520 It's sad to say it as an adult to like slipping off, just slurping on something.

00:50:30.040 I know I'm, I'm, I vape all the time.

00:50:31.620 I'm totally embarrassed by it.

00:50:32.840 I wish I was a man and I just smoked, but I, I don't know.

00:50:35.980 But, uh, yeah, but if you go on your porch now and light a pipe, somebody will shoot 1.00

00:50:39.240 you with a fucking musket. 1.00

00:50:40.640 Like, and no one will feel bad for you. 1.00

00:50:42.020 Everyone will side with that guy.

00:50:43.200 It'll be like, Oh, they're like free the slaves. 1.00

00:50:45.580 And then let's fucking pull right up and fucking pop one in you. 1.00

00:50:48.680 Um, but so do you believe that the tick tock ban, what do you really believe? 0.99

00:50:52.960 Or do you think we're still figuring it out?

00:50:54.380 Do you think that our elected officials will, uh, let it stay around?

00:50:58.720 Trump seems like he's wishy-washy on it.

00:51:00.460 He does.

00:51:00.960 Yes.

00:51:01.500 He seems like he's not exactly clear what, and it's weird because the talk

00:51:05.960 was, uh, initially the talk was like that.

00:51:08.580 It was a China thing and Trump always tried to be the most hawkish on China, but even

00:51:13.560 he does seem like he's not, doesn't really seem like he's got strong convictions about

00:51:17.760 getting rid of it.

00:51:18.420 My guess is that tick tock survives.

00:51:20.620 I don't know if I'm right or wrong about that.

00:51:22.860 Frank McCourt and someone else is going to be buying tick tock.

00:51:25.500 They said.

00:51:26.100 So I think the thing is that if they sell, then they escape the legislation.

00:51:30.600 Cause basically it was saying it's because it's owned, their parent company is owned by

00:51:34.080 the CCP or whatever.

00:51:35.220 So, you know, I have a feeling, I think that, um, there's been, there was a real move to

00:51:41.480 really censor the internet over the last few years.

00:51:43.980 It seems to me like it's failed and that they're just, they've accepted.

00:51:48.640 They're not going to be able to do it.

00:51:50.440 As the deadline for a potential tick tock ban in the U S approaches billionaire and former

00:51:53.820 Los Angeles Dodgers owner.

00:51:55.220 Oh, hell yeah.

00:51:56.300 Frank McCourt's project Liberty confirmed making a formal offer to bite dance a platform's Chinese 1.00

00:52:01.100 parent company to buy the social media giants, American assets.

00:52:04.420 And he was going to do it with, in conjunction with one of the guys from, um, uh, sharks.

00:52:12.120 Good evening.

00:52:12.640 Sharks, whatever that show is shark dance or whatever.

00:52:16.240 Shark boy.

00:52:17.420 No, there's a woman shark tank, shark tank. 1.00

00:52:19.500 There you go.

00:52:20.320 Shark tank.

00:52:21.440 Who was it?

00:52:22.260 Danny or something from shark tank.

00:52:23.700 Oh, one of them billionaires was gonna throw in, um, Kevin O'Leary.

00:52:28.620 So him and Kevin O'Leary, I believe, uh, I believe don't quote me on that was supposed

00:52:34.480 to be, uh, the videos are short on tick tock, right?

00:52:38.080 Isn't that the idea there?

00:52:39.460 Some of them now can be longer.

00:52:41.320 Some of them can be, I think 90 seconds is the length on Instagram.

00:52:46.660 Tick tock can be a couple minutes now.

00:52:48.340 Here's a weird thing.

00:52:49.480 How the internet has kind of like very organically grown into almost, it's almost like long form

00:52:56.020 or seven seconds.

00:52:57.860 Yeah.

00:52:58.320 Like there's no, there's no like middle ground anymore.

00:53:00.660 It's always like, okay, we want to hear a four hour conversation or give me six seconds

00:53:05.420 of whatever you got.

00:53:06.460 And then we'll do a hundred thousand of those.

00:53:09.640 It is kind of true.

00:53:10.940 Huh?

00:53:11.340 Tick tock videos can range from three seconds to 60 minutes long, depending on how you film

00:53:16.160 or upload the video.

00:53:17.460 Uh, but this also could have been from chat GBT.

00:53:19.440 I don't know where from AI this fact.

00:53:21.680 And so who knows if they're harboring that from years ago and today videos or images and

00:53:26.840 tick tock stories can go up to 15 seconds long where they disappear after 24 hours.

00:53:30.640 If you put it in the story.

00:53:31.700 So the way I look at it is kind of like, it's like, if you had like, say like a buddy of

00:53:35.980 yours or something was in like just an awful relationship, you know, like just like the

00:53:39.840 chick he's with is like the worst. 1.00

00:53:41.400 Oh, it's like, you hate her and she's shitty to him. 1.00

00:53:43.740 And she, she's so mean to him. 1.00

00:53:45.240 She cheats on him. 0.98

00:53:46.000 She's just the worst. 0.99

00:53:46.900 And then like, if he breaks up with her and he's like, I'm just dating, I'm dating a bunch.

00:53:51.600 And you're like, great.

00:53:52.940 Thank God.

00:53:53.520 You're like back out there, go find someone else.

00:53:55.520 That chick was a nightmare, you know?

00:53:56.760 And they'd be like, well, I'm meeting some nice girls, but I'm meeting some real awful 1.00

00:54:00.140 girls too.

00:54:00.640 It's like, ah, okay, well, whatever.

00:54:01.980 Just get out there.

00:54:02.780 And that's kind of how I feel about like, I'm just happy that the young generation isn't

00:54:07.080 consuming the corporate media.

00:54:08.760 And like, I'm sure on tick tock, they get some bad stuff and then they get some good stuff,

00:54:12.540 but at least you're out there like shopping around and you're not just listening to like

00:54:16.900 CNN tell you that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and we need to go fight this war 0.89

00:54:21.600 with them or just listening to MSNBC tell you that Trump's a Russian spy or whatever.

00:54:26.540 It's like, all right, yeah, get out there.

00:54:28.220 Mingle a little bit. 0.67

00:54:29.120 See what kind of crazy person's on tick tock.

00:54:31.020 I don't know. 0.99

00:54:31.860 One of them might be like, oh, it's, you know, one of them's like, it's the Jews. 1.00

00:54:35.740 And then someone else is like, you know, whatever. 0.78

00:54:37.720 The gays or whatever. 0.84

00:54:38.720 The gays or, okay, maybe some of them are wrong, but at least you got a shot of meeting 0.99

00:54:43.020 someone who might have something interesting to say to you.

00:54:45.840 Yeah.

00:54:46.200 That's interesting, man.

00:54:47.540 That's certainly, yeah.

00:54:48.240 Yeah.

00:54:48.420 I think, yeah, at least you're kind of out there meeting people.

00:54:51.160 You're there's definitely everything.

00:54:52.440 There's like people shooting each other.

00:54:54.940 There's Mexican stuff.

00:54:57.100 There's dancing.

00:54:58.540 There's, um, you know, uh, Bacchanalia.

00:55:03.040 There's people getting their nails done.

00:55:05.220 Sometimes you pop into a live, you don't even know what's going on.

00:55:07.620 You're just in some kids live and he's eating a burger. 1.00

00:55:10.500 There's some kid eating, look at this fucking burger. 0.99

00:55:13.420 There's some kid like in a broth who lives like the under a brothel or something in Scotland. 1.00

00:55:17.920 And somebody gave him a big burger and he just made this video.

00:55:22.060 He's like, look at this burger.

00:55:23.720 And it's like eight parties, eight parties stocked up boys. 0.99

00:55:27.540 And it fucking went crazy. 0.99

00:55:29.360 Right. 0.99

00:55:29.680 And that kid could be the next governor of Glasgow.

00:55:32.700 Right.

00:55:33.480 But it's like, that's the thing I think.

00:55:35.600 Cause people also can maybe over time, maybe, um, they get to know you.

00:55:39.240 I don't know what it is, but yeah, I think it's fascinating, man.

00:55:41.820 And TikTok, it does pull more of my information.

00:55:44.280 And that's the only thing I just want it to be fair.

00:55:46.880 That's my thing.

00:55:47.720 I just want it to be fair.

00:55:49.200 Don't say that this, this truth can't come out.

00:55:52.080 If this truth can't come out, like just make it fair.

00:55:55.360 You know what I'm saying?

00:55:56.040 If, if, if America isn't a country that's American and it's a country that's owned by

00:56:01.720 other countries, tell me that if that's the case, but just let me live fair.

00:56:05.640 Let me live through the truth.

00:56:07.940 Look, 100, 100%.

00:56:09.540 I completely agree.

00:56:10.460 And then also it's just like, I think, like I was saying before, I don't trust any of 0.99

00:56:16.640 you motherfuckers to be the arbiter of what is true and what isn't true. 0.98

00:56:20.680 So forget anyone having this control over getting to decide what's misinformation or what's 1.00

00:56:25.620 disinformation.

00:56:26.440 Cause it's the old, it's like the old, uh, Lord Atkin, uh, quote about like, um, you know,

00:56:32.440 he's the original.

00:56:34.560 No, it was before that.

00:56:35.980 He didn't figure that out.

00:56:36.900 Uh, but he's the guy who said, man, am I messing at Ken?

00:56:41.840 I believe.

00:56:42.580 Um, he's the one who said the, the quote about, um, power corrupt, power tends to corrupt absolute

00:56:47.380 power corrupts.

00:56:48.260 Absolutely.

00:56:48.820 But it's like, as soon as you have the power to determine what the truth is, then you're

00:56:53.860 corrupted already just by like having that power. 0.99

00:56:56.100 And I never liked fucking rich people anyway, bro. 0.99

00:56:58.100 Facts, dude. 1.00

00:56:59.060 I fucking hated them. 0.99

00:57:00.600 I didn't hate them, but I didn't fucking like them. 1.00

00:57:03.360 Yeah. 0.89

00:57:03.580 You know, I don't, I, yeah, I just, I don't know.

00:57:06.560 And maybe, yeah, and I have money now and that's true, but I'll never fucking really 1.00

00:57:11.080 have money motherfucker. 0.99

00:57:12.680 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:57:13.940 Not like deep inside of me.

00:57:15.460 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:16.160 Yes. 0.99

00:57:16.600 Like that part of me will never have any fucking money, bro. 1.00

00:57:19.020 Now you need three more generations of Vons before you're like a real rich prick who 0.99

00:57:24.460 just thinks they're better, like an old money. 0.99

00:57:26.340 Oh, deep inside dog. 1.00

00:57:27.580 I'm a real fucking wigger, son. 1.00

00:57:29.240 You feel me? 1.00

00:57:30.560 Um, what else?

00:57:31.980 Oh, but Kevin O'Leary.

00:57:33.720 I think I wanted to get that right.

00:57:34.860 It was 250 million.

00:57:36.560 They offered to investor and shark tank star.

00:57:39.720 Kevin O'Leary is willing to pay up to 20 billion for Tik TOK calling it a legacy opportunity.

00:57:44.220 I think that that is a steal.

00:57:47.080 Um, well, Elon bought Twitter for 44 billion, I think, right?

00:57:51.000 But he's getting his use out of it.

00:57:52.600 I mean, he doesn't seem to be enjoying himself on there.

00:57:55.500 Is he addicted to Twitter?

00:57:56.460 Do you think he tweets a lot?

00:57:58.920 How many tweets does he have right now?

00:58:00.700 Let's see how many tweets he has.

00:58:02.120 How many tweets?

00:58:02.680 And he tweets more than we think.

00:58:04.200 I think Dave.

00:58:05.120 It's, uh, it's constant.

00:58:06.400 I've clicked on his thing before and been like, Jesus.

00:58:08.540 How do we see how many?

00:58:13.900 It used to show you right up at the top.

00:58:16.580 66.5 thousand posts right up there.

00:58:19.560 Right under his name at the top.

00:58:20.640 Wait, so hold on.

00:58:23.940 66.5 thousand posts.

00:58:26.800 I want to like.

00:58:27.720 I thought that's what it said.

00:58:28.560 Can you find out how do you.

00:58:29.480 There you go.

00:58:29.840 Right there.

00:58:30.120 66.5.

00:58:30.860 You see how many I have.

00:58:32.140 I'm curious.

00:58:32.640 How many tweets have I ever sent?

00:58:34.340 Like, I want to compare this to.

00:58:36.480 Are you big on there, Davey?

00:58:37.760 I mean, I use it pretty often.

00:58:39.620 Yeah.

00:58:41.880 22,000.

00:58:43.220 All right.

00:58:43.560 I'm, I'm falling behind.

00:58:44.900 But how have you been on?

00:58:45.680 I've spent too much time on Twitter.

00:58:47.440 Or 2012, it says there.

00:58:50.540 How long have you been on?

00:58:52.300 Well, it says January, 2012.

00:58:54.740 So I guess that's.

00:58:55.720 And how long has Elon been on?

00:58:57.020 Well, I guess he was on before.

00:58:58.140 But when did he start really getting in?

00:58:59.540 I think it was.

00:59:00.180 I think a lot of his have come recently, you know.

00:59:03.180 That year.

00:59:03.620 Yeah.

00:59:03.960 He's real.

00:59:04.580 And it'll be like late at night, too.

00:59:06.200 And there'll be like just like a bunch of them.

00:59:07.980 All hours.

00:59:08.780 Some of it's like a Barbados accent, too.

00:59:10.880 He does.

00:59:12.060 He seems like he's enjoying.

00:59:13.200 Bus, bus.

00:59:14.480 He's enjoying kind of.

00:59:16.600 Bureaucracy.

00:59:17.440 Doge coin.

00:59:18.940 Doge.

00:59:19.500 Doge.

00:59:20.520 Vivek.

00:59:21.080 Vivek.

00:59:21.840 Bus.

00:59:23.180 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:23.460 His shit gets very kind of archipelagian sometimes or something. 1.00

00:59:30.460 Barbadian. 1.00

00:59:31.120 Yeah.

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01:01:18.060 Yeah, what's censorship?

01:01:19.320 What do you think censorship looks like right now?

01:01:21.040 Do you think it's changing?

01:01:24.000 It seems to me it's definitely changing.

01:01:26.300 I mean, really drastically.

01:01:27.440 And it's not gone.

01:01:30.620 Like there are still people who are getting censored, and there are still – there was a thing like a couple weeks ago where I guess a group of people who, let's say, the people who liberals would call anti-Semitic, and I think –

01:01:48.280 You know, like people who talk a lot about the Jews, whatever the – I'm not like trying to add my own value judgment into this, but whatever you think you would call it.

01:01:55.980 A lot of them lost their blue check marks and like stuff like that.

01:01:59.340 What they were accusing people of doing anti-Semitic?

01:02:01.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:02.300 So there have been – like there are – but I mean to compare it to like – I mean during like 2020, 2021, 2022, I mean you couldn't – if you said anything about like the vaccine or whatever, I mean, you know, I know you felt it with – you know, you had the thing when Dana White was on.

01:02:18.500 When you were talking about sponsors giving you a hard time and stuff, there was a total – not just on social media, but in general, there was a total like feeling that like you weren't even allowed to say anything that went against the regime.

01:02:31.700 Like the regime is this.

01:02:33.100 That's a great point.

01:02:33.840 And if you are against what they're doing right now is – and I mean I – you know, there's always pressure.

01:02:38.840 Like there's always like you'll get called names or something if you do that.

01:02:42.620 But for a while there, it was straight up like you would lose your accounts and for a lot of people, like for me, that was a scary prospect for a long time because it was kind of like we had – at least in the comedy world that I'm in and in the political shit-talking world that I'm in, it's – I had kind of long ago accepted like, OK, I'm not going to get like a corporate job.

01:03:08.020 Like no big corporation is going to hire me at this point, which is fine.

01:03:12.600 But then you're like, oh, there's this internet thing.

01:03:14.520 So you can have your show on the internet.

01:03:16.020 You can have your own fans.

01:03:17.080 You can have – but then when –

01:03:18.160 You can have your own voice.

01:03:19.180 Yeah, but then you're like, oh, they might come and take that away.

01:03:21.640 It's not just that you can't get Saturday Night Live or something on Comedy Central or something like that.

01:03:25.980 But it's like, oh, they could come and like – you know, if you could have your podcast, but if you can't have – if you can't be on iTunes or YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or whatever, you're kind of screwed in this world.

01:03:38.020 And so I am very happy that at least now – it at least kind of feels like – the dominant culture seems to more be like, no, we should be able to say what we want to say right now.

01:03:49.100 I think that's a very positive change.

01:03:51.780 Are you – are you think you're going to take me down for talking about Yet and Yahoo?

01:03:55.020 No.

01:03:55.640 I think you're going to be OK on this one.

01:03:57.380 But I don't know.

01:03:58.060 I mean, you know, I would hate to say that.

01:04:00.080 And then like next week you just show up at my house and you're just like, hey, man, can I crash for a while?

01:04:04.600 Because you ruined me.

01:04:06.180 So that's – I'm going to be like, all right.

01:04:08.020 But you can be anti-Yet and Yahoo and not – and that's – you can – I can have that belief if I want, right?

01:04:14.080 If I don't like his practices.

01:04:15.260 Of course.

01:04:15.840 And it's – oh, it's so ridiculous the idea of like – in the same way if you were like, well, I don't like Joe Biden very much. 0.86

01:04:22.260 And you'd be like, so does that mean you hate Americans? 0.83

01:04:25.420 You'd be like, what?

01:04:26.160 No, I just don't like this guy.

01:04:28.260 And you could hate the whole government and not hate the people.

01:04:31.780 And then – and it's only with Israel and they intentionally do this where they conflate this thing where it's like, oh, if I have the – if I – like if I was like – if I came and told you like the government of France just did this thing, I think it's terrible what they did.

01:04:45.040 And there's lots of terrible things that the government of France has done, so I could pick some.

01:04:48.500 But like whatever.

01:04:48.960 That doesn't mean I'm not going to cheer for Cyril Ghosn when he fights.

01:04:51.200 Yeah.

01:04:51.480 You know?

01:04:51.820 And you were like, you're an anti-Frankite. 0.89

01:04:54.080 You hate all the French people. 1.00

01:04:55.440 You'd be like, that doesn't even make sense as a response to I have a problem with the government, you know? 0.96

01:04:59.540 So – but they tried – they used that, you know, with Israel where it's like, oh, if you criticize them, you hate Jewish people.

01:05:06.480 Yeah, that's just – 1.00

01:05:07.000 That's stupid. 1.00

01:05:07.840 It started becoming the boy that cried wolf because they would say that for everything. 1.00

01:05:11.060 Yeah.

01:05:11.240 And then it would be like, well, what do you – you're not even – you're doing this.

01:05:15.460 Yeah.

01:05:15.660 You're saying this.

01:05:16.920 This isn't true, right?

01:05:18.580 Yeah, and it's not even clear sometimes like what do you even mean by that?

01:05:22.760 Yeah.

01:05:22.940 Like what are you even – and also I do think just like the whole wokeism stuff has been so rejected, especially recently.

01:05:29.900 That you're like – people are kind of sick of just like – like accusations of bigotry aren't actually a response to someone, you know?

01:05:37.600 Yeah.

01:05:37.840 If you're like – if I say I think what Israel is doing is wrong and your response is, well, you're a bigot, it's like – your response should be, oh, I don't think what they're doing is wrong and here's why.

01:05:48.400 And then we could actually talk about it. 0.97

01:05:49.840 But just to call someone like, oh, you're a Jew hater, you're racist, you're homophobic, it's just played out and tired. 0.99

01:05:56.580 Yeah. 0.95

01:05:57.300 Let's talk about Zuckerberg a little bit because he just had that kind of about face sort of on – and Facebook.

01:06:02.800 They just had that kind of about face on Rogan where he was talking about – where's that clip?

01:06:08.700 That clip, yeah, right here where he kind of says the Biden administration would call Meta to scream and curse at them to censor true information on their platforms.

01:06:18.100 This is what Zuckerberg said.

01:06:19.360 Mm-hmm.

01:06:20.040 Right?

01:06:20.440 What did he say?

01:06:20.800 Play it real quick, a little bit of it.

01:06:21.860 These people from the Biden administration would call up our team and like scream at them and curse and it's like these documents are – it's all kind of out there.

01:06:33.020 Oh, did you record any of those phone calls?

01:06:35.080 I don't – no, I don't think – I don't think we – but I think –

01:06:37.840 I want to listen.

01:06:38.380 I mean there are emails – the emails are published.

01:06:40.860 It's all kind of out there.

01:06:42.940 And they're like – and basically it just got to this point where we were like, no, we're not going to take down things that are true.

01:06:51.520 Okay, that's good.

01:06:52.180 They want us to take down this meme of Leonard.

01:06:56.920 What do you think about this?

01:06:58.080 To me, I just don't know if I – I don't – because Facebook didn't do the best job of – you know, they had issues over the years with the Hunter Biden thing, right?

01:07:07.800 Mm-hmm. 0.98

01:07:08.040 With Russia stuff where they wouldn't let people say this is bullshit. 0.95

01:07:11.700 Like they really chose to decide what was misinformation. 0.88

01:07:16.060 So it just seems weird that suddenly people are calling and screaming.

01:07:19.640 I left like the simple facts and you're like, is this – it seemed like now you're trying to seem like that wasn't happening the whole time and you weren't listening to it before type of vibe.

01:07:34.020 Yeah, it's a very like convenient retelling of history.

01:07:38.180 Yes.

01:07:38.440 For Zuckerberg to go – so the government was saying we have to censor these things that are true and we were like, no, we're not going to do that.

01:07:49.980 Okay. 0.93

01:07:50.580 What really happened is the government said you're going to censor these things that are true and he said, yes, sir, and did it for eight fucking years, okay? 0.62

01:07:58.800 And then at the end of these eight years when Trump wins a dominant victory and now the guy who you kicked off of Facebook is now president again and now the whole culture is turned against you and he's threatening to like, you know, like look into you. 0.73

01:08:13.620 He's coming.

01:08:13.940 And there's a lot of like pretty quasi-illegal stuff that was done.

01:08:18.780 So now you said, okay, we're not going to do this again while Joe Biden is literally on his hands and knees pooping his pants on the way out with terrible numbers and Donald Trump's coming in popular again.

01:08:31.880 So, okay, yes.

01:08:32.560 So for him to spin that as the government said we should do this thing and we said, no, that's ridiculous, okay, that's not exactly what happened.

01:08:40.900 It seemed like he's just back here trying to slurp back onto humanity.

01:08:44.580 Now, if you –

01:08:45.720 That's a slurp job. 0.90

01:08:46.520 Yeah, I agree.

01:08:48.520 Now, there's – and this is why Joe, you know, remains like the biggest show is because he just gets these moments.

01:08:56.140 But if you – the last time he was on Rogan's podcast was one of the most interesting admissions and it was before he had done this 180 and turned around.

01:09:03.640 But when Joe asked him about the Hunter Biden thing and he goes, so like the story with the Hunter Biden laptop, how did you guys handle that?

01:09:12.120 And Zuckerberg said the FBI came to us and told us there's about to be a big Russian dump.

01:09:19.640 So they must have known that this laptop was about to come out.

01:09:23.720 Wow.

01:09:23.880 And they went to Facebook, told them preemptively it's Russian disinformation and that's why they censored the whole thing.

01:09:30.380 And that is like – that admission is like blatant election interference by the FBI against the sitting president, which makes it that – even that much worse.

01:09:41.940 Because like in some – on some level, like if the FBI or the CIA or someone like that was like interfering in an election, you'd already be like, okay, that's crazy illegal, unethical, you know, unconstitutional.

01:09:53.300 Like we don't have a democracy if we have three-letter agencies interfering in elections.

01:09:57.500 Right.

01:09:57.680 However, you'd assume at least they were doing it on the side of the president who they work for, not against the president who they work for.

01:10:06.600 Now we're in a level of like treason.

01:10:08.840 Like you're working against the commander-in-chief who you're supposed to say sir yes sir to and follow his rules.

01:10:16.880 You know, I mean, okay, you – if you're at the FBI, you're in the – under the Justice Department.

01:10:20.800 But still, like the president is the head of the executive.

01:10:22.700 So this was in – this was in Trump was in office.

01:10:24.600 Yeah, the one I'm referring to, yes, this one.

01:10:28.140 This is when – or I don't know when the podcast was, but he's talking about the Hunter Biden story, which was October of 2020.

01:10:35.160 So right before the election when Trump is still in office.

01:10:37.620 Okay, let's play a little bit of that.

01:10:40.700 How do you guys handle things when they're a big news item that's controversial?

01:10:46.460 Like there was a lot of attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter Biden laptop story, the New York Post.

01:10:54.420 Yeah, we have that too.

01:10:55.560 Yeah, so you guys censored that as well?

01:10:57.840 So we took a different path than Twitter.

01:11:01.080 I mean basically the background here is the FBI I think basically came to us, some folks on our team.

01:11:06.860 It was like, hey, just so you know, like you should be on high alert.

01:11:11.000 There was – we thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election.

01:11:16.200 We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of – that's similar to that.

01:11:25.300 So just be vigilant.

01:11:26.720 So our protocol is different from Twitter's.

01:11:29.160 What Twitter did is they said you can't share this at all.

01:11:32.040 We didn't do that.

01:11:33.900 What we do is we have – if something is reported to us as potentially misinformation, important misinformation, we also have this third-party fact-checking program because we don't want to be deciding what's true and false.

01:11:46.520 And for the – I think it was five or seven days when it was basically being determined whether it was false, the distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still allowed to share it.

01:12:02.960 So you could still share it.

01:12:04.160 You could still consume it.

01:12:05.660 So when you say the distribution has decreased, it got shared.

01:12:08.920 How does that work?

01:12:10.060 So saying that they had some effect on it though.

01:12:12.540 Yeah, well, he goes on to say that it was a meaningful impact that turning down the signal had on it.

01:12:19.660 But what's interesting is that he blatantly says that it was the FBI who came to them and like told them that this very true story, which was a real scandal, that was an October surprise that very clearly could have moved the needle in the election.

01:12:34.720 They suppressed that for one reason only, and that's because they wanted Biden to win and not Trump to win.

01:12:40.680 And Zuckerberg played a big role in that, not as big, I guess, as Twitter, at the old Twitter.

01:12:46.480 Oh, yeah, Dorsey admitted it.

01:12:47.640 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:48.620 And look, I do think to some degree these guys are under duress from the government.

01:12:55.540 I mean they're threatened and all types of pressure is put on them to go along with the censorship stuff.

01:13:00.280 And to be, you're basically become communication in the universe.

01:13:04.340 Like you are, like if everybody had to talk in like a hallway, you're the hallway, you know?

01:13:09.780 You are.

01:13:10.620 Yeah.

01:13:11.140 Well, and if you think about like even just the, you know, if you think about the how much government cares about controlling the narrative, you know, one of the things that's really interesting from the more recent clip that the one we played first here, you know, he says that they were really upset about a meme.

01:13:27.840 Oh, yeah, it was Leonardo DiCaprio.

01:13:30.340 A Leonardo DiCaprio meme.

01:13:31.980 Like they were really upset about that.

01:13:33.780 Oh, dude. 0.99

01:13:34.520 Which literally said, isn't that fascinating in a way that they are so threatened by like you making a joke about their bullshit? 0.90

01:13:40.660 But if you like zoom out, right, and think about it, it's like governments always insist on controlling, monopolizing information. 0.85

01:13:49.700 You know, controlling the narrative is the most important thing to them.

01:13:52.480 That's more important than controlling the money or the banks or the laws or anything.

01:13:56.720 It's like controlling the narrative, controlling how people think, what the kind of like the range, the Overton window of allowable opinion or what, you know, and that's and you see it all the time.

01:14:07.620 You see they spaz out when people are just outside of the realm of allowable opinion.

01:14:12.280 And even if you think about like the way think about the way our government's set up, we're like, OK, the government there's like a group of, you know, services that the government has a monopoly on.

01:14:26.840 And they had a monopoly on the schools, the post office, you know, like even it's like wherever the information is coming from, the media, the universities, you know, these are always the things that governments get involved.

01:14:42.180 And then all of a sudden there's a revolution and now the, you know, the the public square is Facebook and Twitter and these social media.

01:14:53.620 So now these people are in control for the first time of this.

01:14:56.440 So, of course, and what really happened was after Donald Trump won in 2016, they really started cracking down on them.

01:15:01.980 The guy who wasn't supposed to win won and he did it by utilizing social media and going around the corporate media and going around the political machine just to talk right to voters that really shook them up.

01:15:15.920 And so, yeah, they hauled Zuckerberg and Dorsey and all of them before Congress. 0.97

01:15:20.040 They threatened the shit out of them. 0.94

01:15:21.420 I'm sure he's right that they were on the phone cursing and screaming at him and putting all types of pressure. 0.98

01:15:25.600 So, fine, if Zuckerberg – I would be much more sympathetic if Zuckerberg had come out on Rogan's podcast this time and been like, listen, I just – I've – under the weight of this pressure, I gave in.

01:15:37.660 And I became like a tool for the regime to censor people.

01:15:41.220 But I don't want to do that anymore.

01:15:42.880 And so now I'm committing to this.

01:15:44.340 I'd be like, yes, he's a hero.

01:15:46.640 But the way he kind of like yada yadas over like – anyway, the government wanted to do this stuff.

01:15:51.480 I was like, nah, man, I'm not going to do that.

01:15:53.520 I'm cool, right, Rogan?

01:15:54.540 And you're like, eh, not exactly.

01:15:56.680 And it seems like it almost seems – sometimes the way he – he almost seems like a doll.

01:16:02.600 Does he a little bit when you're – and I don't mean it in a bad way.

01:16:06.200 I just mean it in an interesting way.

01:16:07.900 I'm fascinated by the guy.

01:16:09.540 I mean the – I can't imagine what his life is like or what he's like as a person or what it's like to talk with him.

01:16:16.000 I would love to have that opportunity.

01:16:17.240 But I am – yeah, I'm just so curious as to like the pressure if he feels it.

01:16:23.740 You know, they had that one moment where like they had all those families that had – people had been solicited or whatever.

01:16:31.240 Young people had been caught by traffickers or like approached by traffickers or solicitation, sexual – can you bring that up?

01:16:39.400 It was – it was Zuckerberg before Congress.

01:16:43.100 Watch the moment that Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg apologized to the families of victims during a hearing on online child safety.

01:16:49.840 That's what it was.

01:16:50.420 National television, would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your – show them the pictures.

01:16:58.060 Would you like to apologize for what you've done to these good people?

01:17:01.220 I – I – I'm sorry for everything that you've all – it's terrible.

01:17:08.120 I'm not even sure that you have to go through the things that your families have suffered.

01:17:11.760 And this is why we invested so much and are going to continue doing these streaming efforts to make sure that no one has to go through the types of things that your families have had to suffer.

01:17:24.880 Wow.

01:17:25.620 Okay, that's good.

01:17:26.440 I think it just seems like a robot doing it.

01:17:28.600 That wasn't great.

01:17:30.260 That wasn't a great moat.

01:17:32.040 That's why I wondered, does he feel?

01:17:33.440 It seems to me like he doesn't have a lot of feel in him.

01:17:36.100 Yeah, listen, that's – yeah, to apologize.

01:17:38.640 I don't even exactly understand what they were like.

01:17:40.340 Like they're – they're like parents of kids who got trafficked or something like that.

01:17:44.900 Yeah, I think – and I'll have to look into that, yeah.

01:17:46.820 But that also shouldn't be done – like an apology like that shouldn't be done with reporters flashing and all this.

01:17:52.980 I also cannot stand – I'm sorry, but I just hate the grandstanding of politicians and Congress.

01:17:58.340 Like I think Zuckerberg's like response to that should have been like, you preside over the biggest war machine in the history of the world.

01:18:06.200 So if you want to talk about apologizing to innocent people who have got – you got your work cut out for you.

01:18:12.160 You focus on your apologies.

01:18:13.580 But I would love to invite like any of these parents if they want to sit down in a private room after that.

01:18:17.660 We can have a long conversation about this.

01:18:19.880 I agree.

01:18:20.000 And then like give a real moment or like – you know, you can't – someone like loses their kid or their kid's raped or tortured or something.

01:18:26.900 It can't just be like a I'm sorry that happened and we are working hard to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

01:18:32.400 You want to sit down and be like, hey.

01:18:33.980 That's a great point.

01:18:34.560 Tell me your story.

01:18:35.500 Like don't even hear from me.

01:18:36.880 Let me hear from you.

01:18:37.740 You tell me your story and then I'll try to like empathize with what you've gone through.

01:18:41.900 But geez.

01:18:42.400 Yeah, that's a great point.

01:18:43.560 They shouldn't put him on the spot to do it right there because that wasn't really helpful.

01:18:48.720 Because they're not looking for a sincere apology.

01:18:50.620 They're looking for a political stunt to be like I got Zuckerberg to admit that he was wrong.

01:18:56.020 And the families always get wheeled out for that kind of stuff.

01:18:58.280 And I also don't like that the air is always like – it's always a question of what you should be censoring.

01:19:04.300 And like listen, I'm sure we would probably agree, right?

01:19:06.740 Like if there are people trying to traffic kids or something like that, like yes, okay, you'd want to kick those accounts off or report them to the police or whatever.

01:19:13.240 But it's always Congress like talking about how dangerous the freedom that people have is on your site.

01:19:19.760 Oh, it's so dangerous that people can communicate and people – you've got to clamp down on this.

01:19:24.360 And it's like personally I'm much – what is it?

01:19:27.780 The old – I think it's a Thomas Jefferson quote or maybe I'm getting that wrong actually.

01:19:32.220 It's not Jefferson.

01:19:32.760 But whatever the quote was like, it might have been Hamilton.

01:19:35.660 But it was like I'd rather deal with the inconveniences of too much liberty than those associated with too little of it.

01:19:42.300 You know, it's like I'd rather – it's always like they're always warning you about the problems of too much freedom.

01:19:47.260 Oh, everyone can communicate.

01:19:48.680 That means people are going to come get your kids.

01:19:50.680 I'm like I'm sure that is – there is that concern and like I got little kids.

01:19:54.960 I'm concerned about that stuff.

01:19:56.380 But I also kind of feel like, okay, I'll handle making sure my kids don't – you know what I mean?

01:20:02.120 Get taken advantage of on the internet.

01:20:04.660 And how about the government get the hell out of the way so we can tell the truth?

01:20:08.820 It was Thomas Jefferson.

01:20:10.080 See, I should be sure of myself.

01:20:11.540 I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much – attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

01:20:18.360 Yeah, I agree.

01:20:19.180 Why not err on that side of it?

01:20:22.440 Yeah, Facebook has had issues – I mean remember when they had – there was a thing where they had – there was like these Kenyans or something. 1.00

01:20:29.700 See if you can look that up.

01:20:30.620 It was – they were looking up information.

01:20:35.060 They were using people in Africa to look up – they were the fact checkers or whatever. 0.86

01:20:39.440 And I think it was a lawsuit.

01:20:41.960 Facebook content moderators in Kenya called the work torture.

01:20:44.500 Their lawsuit may ripple worldwide.

01:20:46.420 I'm not even sure what happened with this.

01:20:47.700 When was this?

01:20:49.200 Oh, it's 2023.

01:20:50.160 Okay.

01:20:50.320 On the verge of tears, Nathan Nkunzimana recalled watching a video of a child being molested and another of a woman being killed.

01:21:05.920 Eight hours a day, his job as a content moderator for a Facebook contract required him to look at horrors so the world wouldn't have to.

01:21:13.580 Now, Nkunzimana is among nearly 200 former employees in Kenya who are suing Facebook.

01:21:21.580 It's so wild where – let me see.

01:21:24.880 The group was employed at the social media giant's outsourced hub for content moderation in Kenya's capital of Nairobi where workers screen posts, videos, messages, and other content from users across Africa, removing any illegal or harmful material that breaches its community standards and terms of service.

01:21:39.800 Can you even imagine having to moderate the stuff in Africa?

01:21:44.900 Someone's job is actually to watch a child being molested and then be like, nope, that video can't go up on Facebook?

01:21:51.920 This is bad.

01:21:53.500 The moderator from several – and that was – I shouldn't – that wasn't a fun time to joke.

01:21:57.800 I'm sorry.

01:21:58.500 That wasn't funny.

01:22:00.360 And I love Kenya.

01:22:01.680 I've been to Mombasa.

01:22:03.040 I love Puerto Rico.

01:22:05.740 Puerto Rico.

01:22:06.780 I love it.

01:22:07.280 I've been there.

01:22:08.000 Oh, no.

01:22:08.940 Do not touch that girl.

01:22:10.900 You're okay so far.

01:22:12.240 You're okay so far.

01:22:13.400 Nope.

01:22:13.860 You are banned.

01:22:14.980 The moderators from several African countries are seeking $1.6 billion compensation fund.

01:22:20.580 Oh, that's a lot of money.

01:22:22.080 After alleging poor working conditions, including insufficient mental health support and low pay.

01:22:27.100 Wow.

01:22:28.080 I wonder what happened to that lawsuit.

01:22:29.860 If you find out that something happened, let me know.

01:22:31.580 But they've had issues over there.

01:22:33.020 And I'll say this – well, that's not really it.

01:22:36.700 But I can't imagine having to be actual person doing that work.

01:22:42.240 But that's what it comes down to.

01:22:43.520 You're basically having to moderate the entire world of communication.

01:22:46.800 You've taken on that responsibility.

01:22:48.760 Well, and I know that it was – I think when the – I think it was the Egyptian revolution, which didn't last that long.

01:23:01.480 But they – a real – I believe – and forgive me because I haven't – like I'm not the expert on this at all.

01:23:08.620 I haven't read that much about it.

01:23:09.960 But like when they overthrew Mubarak, I think that was like a real genuine revolution where like the people really did agree like we want this dictator gone.

01:23:18.560 But I remember that they were – this was – what year was Mubarak overthrown?

01:23:24.620 I want to say it was like 2010.

01:23:28.700 2010?

01:23:29.340 That was in Kenya?

01:23:30.340 No, this is in Egypt.

01:23:31.580 But I do remember that that was one of the things that people were making a big deal of was that there were these giant protests that ultimately ended up bringing down the government.

01:23:40.540 And it was all organized on social media.

01:23:42.800 You know, everybody is like, oh, we'll meet up here.

01:23:44.500 The protest starts here.

01:23:45.640 And then it was like almost like the first time that they were like, whoa, there's real power in these things.

01:23:51.480 And, you know, if you could – 2011.

01:23:54.880 So like –

01:23:56.080 Oh, the power of social media.

01:23:57.220 Yeah.

01:23:57.560 It's just like, yo, I mean you're going to get – if you could overthrow governments with these things,

01:24:01.320 you're going to get – you know, you're going to get a lot of attention from governments who are going to be very concerned about what's going on on these sites.

01:24:07.800 Yeah.

01:24:08.160 Well, it's just interesting.

01:24:09.120 At what point do you think that there could be a revolution in America?

01:24:12.880 Because if people don't trust the FBI now, they don't trust the CIA now, you're not sure that your FBI isn't out to get your own –

01:24:23.100 It's like who – what is even like –

01:24:25.920 It's – well, right?

01:24:26.880 And then on top of that, like you had say someone like Donald Trump.

01:24:32.200 Look, the first time Donald Trump ran, right?

01:24:34.340 All of the political class, all of the media, all of Hollywood, they all said this guy is unacceptable.

01:24:40.860 You cannot support this guy.

01:24:42.320 He still won, but he also won on like a razor-thin margin, lost the popular vote,

01:24:48.640 and just happened to win the right swing states against Hillary, so there was like a little bit of a caveat. 1.00

01:24:54.300 But then after January 6th, with how much they pumped into like this is the worst thing ever and look at this horrible guy.

01:25:02.420 You could never support him.

01:25:04.140 Then they go after him with the legal cases.

01:25:08.200 Then he almost gets his brains blown out on national television.

01:25:11.280 And then after all of that, all the years of he's a Nazi, democracy is over, he's Hitler, the American people go, well, we like him even more now. 0.91

01:25:20.940 Like that's just so crazy.

01:25:22.900 It's so crazy that there's just trust in every American institution has evaporated.

01:25:28.260 They have nothing.

01:25:29.360 I mean it's unbelievable that the most famous Hollywood celebrities can't move the needle at all.

01:25:34.620 The entire –

01:25:35.520 In fact, it's an anti-moving. 0.98

01:25:37.380 If they get – the second one of them is involved, I'm fucking out, bro. 0.96

01:25:40.380 Well, that's right. 0.96

01:25:40.960 It almost like – well, that is – and I mean look, even me, I will admit I'm guilty of it too that I – right away, you know, you see another celebrity.

01:25:48.040 They'll be endorsing Kamala Harris tonight.

01:25:49.920 And I'm like, what did you do at the Diddy party?

01:25:51.780 What do they got on you?

01:25:53.260 You know, what do you – like it's just – there's so much mistrust of the whole thing.

01:25:57.140 And it's – you know, the thing about it is is a lot of us – like I said this in our conversation already today at one point.

01:26:03.120 I don't even remember if it was about Russiagate or COVID or what, but I said all those people still have their jobs or whatever.

01:26:07.900 You know, if you look at the New York Times or you look at CNN or all these places, they still got people there who sold us the war in Iraq.

01:26:15.860 And they still have their jobs.

01:26:17.300 You know, like they didn't get fired.

01:26:18.520 These people make great money.

01:26:19.840 They're still – and nothing – but it's like it's something almost like spiritual.

01:26:25.700 There's always a price.

01:26:27.880 Even if you think there was no consequence, oh, there is a consequence.

01:26:30.940 And so, like, you just think for so many years they lied us into wars, into financial recessions.

01:26:37.700 They lied about everything about COVID.

01:26:41.840 They lied about Russiagate. 1.00

01:26:42.980 They lied about all this shit. 1.00

01:26:44.160 They lied about Joe Biden not being senile. 1.00

01:26:46.760 They lied about Kamala Harris not being retarded. 0.98

01:26:49.460 They lied about everything they could think of.

01:26:51.900 And there is a price for that.

01:26:53.640 And the price is that no one believes you anymore.

01:26:56.640 Yeah, not even the people that believed you believe you.

01:26:58.520 That's what's crazy is watching people that were, like, devout believers come on over and be like, I just don't believe these people.

01:27:07.340 And there's so many people like that.

01:27:09.000 So, like, could there be a revolution?

01:27:11.600 I mean, you know, there's – the American government is still so powerful.

01:27:16.920 It's not like they're getting overthrown anytime soon.

01:27:19.120 Right.

01:27:19.560 But –

01:27:20.080 And we're not saying that, government.

01:27:21.660 No.

01:27:21.900 If the government is listening, I highly recommend everybody follow the law.

01:27:26.300 But there is – there's been a revolution in communication already.

01:27:34.440 There's been a revolution in the media.

01:27:36.520 I mean, they all – this happened a while ago.

01:27:38.540 But after this election, they all kind of admit it.

01:27:40.760 They all kind of admit that, like, look, like Donald Trump did, like, your show and Schultz.

01:27:48.240 Oh, that blew my mind.

01:27:49.500 And this was a huge factor for him, you know, and this was – and I will say, I think particularly yours was – I mean, obviously, Rogan's was humongous.

01:27:57.820 Oh, yeah.

01:27:57.940 But particularly the interview with you saw, like, a much different side of Donald Trump than I had ever seen before.

01:28:04.480 And that's crazy.

01:28:06.860 It's crazy that there's been this revolution.

01:28:08.780 Oh, it's crazy.

01:28:09.460 You know, there hasn't been – there's not a lot of people where I'm from who even get to ask questions a lot of times.

01:28:13.120 No, I think – I don't think you're –

01:28:14.160 There's not a lot of people where I'm from who ever even get to raise their hand in front of a president and ask a question about something that means something to them.

01:28:21.980 You know, a lot of times, yeah, you just get pigeonholed into being some type of way. 0.97

01:28:26.880 And so then as a person, as part of even just a group, you start to feel like, well, I don't even fucking exist. 0.76

01:28:33.280 You know what I'm saying?

01:28:34.040 And I think that's part of how I always felt my whole life. 0.99

01:28:36.240 I don't even – nobody gives a fuck about a poor off-white kid. 1.00

01:28:40.220 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:28:41.040 That's the last fucking group. 0.99

01:28:43.160 And so, yeah, I think – I don't know. 0.99

01:28:46.700 I don't know what I'm saying, man.

01:28:47.880 I think it's a really great point.

01:28:49.920 I mean, if you think about it, like, at least my whole life, right?

01:28:52.900 Well, finally, we made our own voices because you don't even see that I am a voice. 0.99

01:28:56.640 You don't even think I have a fucking voice. 0.98

01:28:58.740 And so, finally, you don't think – and you also – you don't think I work hard enough to fucking put my voice out there either. 0.99

01:29:06.120 Dude, they called it flyover country. 0.81

01:29:08.520 Yeah.

01:29:08.840 That's what they call it, flyover country.

01:29:11.420 And what is flyover country?

01:29:12.740 Everything except New York and L.A.

01:29:14.440 I know.

01:29:14.860 Right?

01:29:15.180 The whole rest of this annoying country that you got to fly over on your way from New York to L.A.

01:29:19.840 If you think about, like, when we grew up, me and you grew up in the era of the TV. 0.98

01:29:24.720 There wasn't – we didn't watch shit on YouTube and stuff. 0.91

01:29:27.700 You know, this didn't exist. 0.99

01:29:28.880 We watched what was on TV.

01:29:30.420 And TV was made in New York and L.A.

01:29:32.740 Yeah.

01:29:33.140 That's where it was made.

01:29:34.800 And every show, whether it was Seinfeld or Friends or whatever, it was all – these shows were about living in a city on the coast.

01:29:46.420 And they were about people who lived there.

01:29:48.120 And then just think about how bizarre that is.

01:29:49.760 You have this giant country that occupies the middle part of North America called the United States of America.

01:29:55.620 It's this huge country.

01:29:57.400 And you only have representation from these two coastal cities.

01:30:01.560 And this has now been totally blown open where it's like, yeah, I think for the first time, people in the middle of the country, in the south of the country can actually have a voice.

01:30:11.700 And why shouldn't they when there's tens of millions of people who, like, fall into those categories?

01:30:18.260 Look, it's crazy to me.

01:30:19.660 Being in stand-up comedy, it's been a total revolution since when I started.

01:30:25.840 Like, the path for how you become successful is so different.

01:30:28.860 Podcasts weren't a thing when I first started.

01:30:31.020 And so having a revolution in government, that still seems like we're not there.

01:30:36.000 But there has been a huge cultural revolution over the last 15 years.

01:30:40.740 In communication or in – what is it called?

01:30:42.800 Yeah, I think in media, in entertainment, in comedy and – yeah.

01:30:48.000 So Trump has his new cabinet picks, right?

01:30:50.780 Has he picked all of them yet or not?

01:30:52.220 Yeah, I think he's picked all.

01:30:53.500 I mean there might be some more, like, smaller positions that he still gets to pick, like judges and stuff like that.

01:30:59.920 But he's picked – I think he's picked his cabinet.

01:31:02.580 What do you feel – like, who are some of your favorites?

01:31:05.300 Who are some you're kind of on the fence about? 0.96

01:31:07.620 Doug Collins got fucking picked? 0.97

01:31:10.040 The coach? 1.00

01:31:11.200 The basketball coach?

01:31:12.340 I guess so, dude.

01:31:12.540 Remember he was with the Wizards, dude?

01:31:14.800 Wait, are you talking about Jordan's coach, Doug Collins, or is this someone else?

01:31:17.880 No, that's a different Doug Collins. 0.99

01:31:19.640 Oh, damn. 1.00

01:31:20.440 Who's that guy? 1.00

01:31:21.680 Doug Collins got the Bulls right there.

01:31:23.800 Oh, yeah.

01:31:24.220 And then Phil Jackson came in and took all the glory.

01:31:26.240 I remember that, dude.

01:31:27.540 Dude, that's a great point.

01:31:30.760 That's never really talked about, is it?

01:31:32.280 But what about some of his cabinet picks?

01:31:34.740 Who do you like?

01:31:35.500 Where are you at with some of that?

01:31:37.340 I love – okay.

01:31:40.000 Well, the best ones to me by far were Bobby Kennedy for health department was just amazing.

01:31:46.340 I think that's really going to shake things up.

01:31:48.540 Is he one of the first doctors that's never been in charge of the health department?

01:31:52.000 That's a good question.

01:31:53.120 I don't know.

01:31:53.520 No, I think the guy who's the head of it now was a lawyer too.

01:31:58.000 So I'm not sure.

01:31:59.360 But he is the first like real outsider and real critic of the American like health state.

01:32:08.060 And so that's really interesting.

01:32:10.000 He also put – which I'm sure has a lot to do with Bobby being at HHS.

01:32:14.520 But he put Jay Bhattacharya as the new head of the –

01:32:20.340 DraftKings?

01:32:21.400 Jay Bhattacharya?

01:32:22.300 Yeah.

01:32:22.540 He sounds like a bookie.

01:32:23.660 Oh, dude.

01:32:24.340 Yeah.

01:32:24.560 Well, he's got a – I think he's Indian.

01:32:26.780 I don't know.

01:32:27.320 Oh, Bhattacharya's Indian?

01:32:28.520 Wow.

01:32:29.100 I might be wrong about that.

01:32:30.100 If I'm wrong, I apologize.

01:32:31.460 But he was one of the signatories on the Great Barrington Declaration.

01:32:36.120 He was amazing during COVID.

01:32:38.000 He's like a brilliant – he's got a degree I think in economics and in science.

01:32:43.580 Jay Bhattacharya, bring him up.

01:32:44.660 He sounds like he's from Madras, New Jersey, dude.

01:32:48.520 Bring him up, Jay Bhattacharya.

01:32:50.400 Let's get a little gander at him.

01:32:51.340 I just want to get a peek at him.

01:32:53.000 I haven't seen his face before.

01:32:56.540 Bhattacharya.

01:32:57.200 Oh, yeah.

01:32:57.800 I like this guy, huh?

01:32:59.100 He was phenomenal during COVID.

01:33:01.940 Really? 0.99

01:33:02.320 Like a goddamn hero. 1.00

01:33:04.280 Just calling out all the bullshit and like – 1.00

01:33:06.160 I would love to interview him. 0.99

01:33:07.340 Dude, that would be great.

01:33:08.680 He's a super, super smart scientist who's like really understood why lockdowns were terrible

01:33:14.780 and why the vaccine mandates were insane and all of that stuff.

01:33:18.520 So she got Fauci's old job.

01:33:21.540 Really?

01:33:22.060 Which is going to be real interesting.

01:33:23.460 Yeah, head of the NIH.

01:33:24.740 Heck, yeah.

01:33:25.400 That's cool.

01:33:26.000 Now, all these guys got to be confirmed by the Senate still.

01:33:28.460 So that's not done.

01:33:29.380 But the other great pick was Tulsi Gabbard as director of national intelligence.

01:33:36.020 Makari?

01:33:36.560 Do you know who that is?

01:33:37.240 Marty?

01:33:40.600 I'm not sure.

01:33:41.500 Marty Makari.

01:33:42.260 Can you look him up?

01:33:44.640 Marty Makari for FDA commissioner.

01:33:46.780 Oh, yeah.

01:33:47.120 I don't know.

01:33:47.660 I don't know enough about this guy.

01:33:48.920 He has a great book called The Price We Pay.

01:33:50.820 Bring up one of his books.

01:33:51.640 I want to talk with this guy.

01:33:54.060 It's about the insurance, the whole – the scam, what broke American healthcare.

01:33:59.120 There's another great book he has too.

01:34:01.300 Dude, one of his books, he has this thing like where they were going to black churches,

01:34:06.200 okay? 0.57

01:34:07.820 He's a surgeon.

01:34:10.200 Let me see.

01:34:10.620 Martin and Dale Makari is a British American surgeon, professor, author, and medical commentator.

01:34:14.980 Where they were going to – they were convincing, giving people scans at their churches, showing them that they needed like their blood vessels dilated or shunts put in their legs.

01:34:27.660 And it was just – and doctors were making a ton of money through Medicaid.

01:34:30.680 It was just this big scam.

01:34:32.460 And a lot of the doctors were funding the groups that would go, and they would do it at black churches and black religious get-togethers. 0.98

01:34:40.160 And they'd have tables set up, and they were just using these people, basically sending them through as just like a fucking – as a varicose vein mill. 0.97

01:34:48.380 And just making tons of money, I'm sure. 0.92

01:34:52.400 Yeah, but he talks about that.

01:34:53.980 He talks about a lot of neat stuff.

01:34:55.120 Oh, that's another one, Blind Spots, When Medicine – that's what I've been reading, When Medicine Goes Wrong.

01:35:00.460 That's one that I've been reading.

01:35:01.340 But he seems like an interesting guy.

01:35:02.680 But he got put in.

01:35:03.460 That's one I'm excited about.

01:35:06.320 Gabbard, you said.

01:35:07.460 Who else is in there?

01:35:08.580 Um, uh, uh, Kash Patel, uh, who's took over the FBI.

01:35:15.820 Oh, really?

01:35:16.980 FBI director, who is – he was a huge critic of, like, Russiagate and a lot of the crazy stuff that – a lot of the election interference that the FBI has been doing.

01:35:25.480 Again, you know, we're going to see how – there were reports out – I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that Tulsi Gabbard was saying she's changed her mind on government surveillance,

01:35:35.300 and now she's okay with the intelligence agencies spying on us.

01:35:39.200 You know, D.C. has a way of poisoning people.

01:35:41.580 But how does that happen?

01:35:42.640 But also, I'm not throwing her under the bus or nothing like that.

01:35:45.220 I think maybe she's saying what she needs to say to get confirmed, and then she'll do some really great stuff once she's there.

01:35:49.680 Could that be something that happens?

01:35:51.060 Quite possibly.

01:35:51.980 It's, you know, it's hard to say.

01:35:53.520 But it is, like, there's all types of pressure.

01:35:56.800 And then there's probably pressures that I don't know about at all, that when you're actually on the inside, there's probably all types of threats and things like that that you've got to deal with.

01:36:04.440 So I think these picks were all very, very good.

01:36:08.020 He had a bunch of really bad picks that I did not like.

01:36:11.080 Let me see.

01:36:11.500 Let's finish this one, though.

01:36:12.300 Gabbard, 43, was born in the U.S. territory of American Samoa, raised in Hawaii and spent a year of her childhood in the Philippines.

01:36:19.520 Yeah, she's definitely – I love the way that she talks. 0.79

01:36:22.860 You know, I love how just her own – she always seems to have her very own voice.

01:36:27.520 But when you get in, like, who compromised – what do they use to compromise, you think?

01:36:34.460 That's what I always wonder.

01:36:36.140 I mean, I think – I don't know. 0.97

01:36:38.000 You just – do you think they just say, you're going to have to do what we want or we're going to kill you? 0.59

01:36:40.980 You think that's what it is? 0.85

01:36:41.860 It's possible.

01:36:42.820 I mean, I wouldn't put it past some of these people.

01:36:45.200 There are a lot of killers in our government, you know.

01:36:47.620 I also think that sometimes it's just the way the machine works and it's like, well, you're never going to be able to do anything unless you do this or unless you do that.

01:36:57.960 You know, it was real interesting the way – the way that Obama got rolled when he first came in and he had a lot of these plans like we were going to end these wars and we're going to do all these things and we're going to –

01:37:10.620 and he just immediately ran up against the machine and it was like, you have no idea how to actually control this thing.

01:37:17.780 And I got to say, I think that happened a lot to Trump too when he first came in.

01:37:21.340 Trump had a lot of plans and I think that – I think Donald Trump looked at it like, hey, I've been the CEO of this big company.

01:37:27.920 I've been the boss before.

01:37:28.900 I'll go be the boss again.

01:37:30.560 But it's like that's not how this one works.

01:37:32.760 This is a whole different thing.

01:37:34.020 It's not like when you're really the boss and you dictate orders and everyone follows them.

01:37:37.900 And he – you know, Donald Trump, he ran in 2016 on what was such a great idea at the time was – and he used to say this on the campaign all the time in 2016 because back then the war in Syria was still going – well, he was like raging.

01:37:53.060 And he would go, why are we even in Syria?

01:37:56.280 I don't care about overthrowing Bashar al-Assad.

01:37:58.460 He goes, Russia said they're only in Syria to kill ISIS. 0.99

01:38:01.820 I was like, OK, well, we want to kill ISIS too. 0.99

01:38:04.200 We're against the terrorists. 0.83

01:38:05.120 He goes, so why don't we stop trying to overthrow regimes in the Middle East, work with Russia to take out all the terrorists and then we could just leave the Middle East and then we could all be – we could be friends with Russia.

01:38:15.640 And he openly ran on that.

01:38:17.220 I was like, yeah, that's a great idea except then you get in there and the media is saying you're a Russian spy every single day all day long.

01:38:25.360 So now how are you going to make a deal with Russia?

01:38:27.220 Right.

01:38:27.540 When everyone is saying you're a Russian spy.

01:38:28.880 Oh, they tricked you then because –

01:38:30.480 If you make a deal with Russia, that will just be proof that you're a Russian spy. 0.50

01:38:33.520 And so then Donald Trump went, no, I'll be hawkish toward Russia.

01:38:38.140 And so he went out of his way to prove what a Russian spy he wasn't, which is like, oh, so they got you. 0.62

01:38:43.880 So you couldn't do what you wanted to do and instead you got to do this.

01:38:47.240 But this time they may not have the value of the media.

01:38:49.520 Well, that's – they don't.

01:38:50.440 They for sure don't.

01:38:51.380 I mean I think –

01:38:52.700 Unless they come and kill all the podcasters and stuff, do you think that they could do that?

01:38:56.580 Have you ever worried about your own safety?

01:38:58.380 No.

01:38:59.280 I don't know.

01:38:59.900 I've always felt like I fly at a nice – I'm far enough from the sun that I'm okay.

01:39:06.080 Yeah, same.

01:39:06.580 I don't know what I'm even doing.

01:39:08.360 Well, right.

01:39:09.260 So I'm not – and also I just – I do think like there's too many of us and there's too – I think like the toothpaste is out of the tube on this.

01:39:16.160 And I don't think – I think even they've finally realized that like even if – you know what's funny?

01:39:21.480 When they were coming after Rogan a couple of years ago when there was that major push and the artists were – Neil Young was saying I'll take my music off Spotify or whatever.

01:39:31.620 I remember talking about it then and you're like, so what do you guys even think happens?

01:39:36.400 Like let's say hypothetically you could take Joe Rogan out, right?

01:39:40.800 What do you think?

01:39:41.280 Like his audience goes back to CNN, you think everyone who was listening to that is going to go, okay, I guess we plug back into the matrix now.

01:39:48.720 They're just going to find somebody else.

01:39:50.480 They're going to find someone else, probably more radical.

01:39:52.960 You know what I mean?

01:39:53.680 Probably not less.

01:39:55.360 And so I think they even kind of know they can't really – but I do think – I think the two things that make it – that make the dynamic very different this time for Trump – well, like you said, it's that the corporate media has been destroyed.

01:40:09.460 But the two things that really destroyed them since the first Trump presidency to this one is Russiagate and COVID.

01:40:17.700 They just – they were such big stories and they got them so wrong and everyone kind of knows it now.

01:40:23.660 Like nobody – you know, nobody believes in Russiagate anymore.

01:40:27.020 Nobody is sitting – no one on television is going, a Russian spy is about to retake the White House. 0.92

01:40:32.740 But none of them are saying that.

01:40:33.780 None of them are saying, hey, we were wrong about all of that.

01:40:36.000 But if they weren't wrong, why wouldn't they still be freaked out about it, you know?

01:40:39.300 Well, I'm just amazed that none of them ever come on and said, hey, you know what? 0.99

01:40:42.480 I want to apologize for wasting your fucking time. 0.99

01:40:46.240 That's what I want to do. 0.99

01:40:47.120 I want to apologize that we didn't care enough to even really look into things, truly, and that we wasted your time.

01:40:56.000 That would be like a real thing to do, right?

01:40:58.800 Like I just – yeah, it's like that's why sometimes you're like are the people running this thing – do they have any human feelings?

01:41:06.600 Because that's why I don't see a lot – it's like you would think if you really cared about your customer base at all, right?

01:41:13.520 Yeah.

01:41:13.820 You would go and say, hey, I'm sorry.

01:41:15.920 I got this wrong.

01:41:16.940 This was wrong.

01:41:18.280 Or we didn't know it was wrong, but we didn't even try to do our best practices.

01:41:23.840 We got caught up.

01:41:24.980 Something, right? 0.99

01:41:25.900 Listen, man, I mean they hate – they fucking hate this country and they hate the people of the country. 0.99

01:41:31.540 And I don't like just say that to be like – to make a sensational claim. 0.99

01:41:35.440 But it's like if you – if my kids were hungry and I was feeding other kids, like what conclusion could you draw from that other than like you don't love your children.

01:41:49.360 You hate your own children because that's like your number one responsibility.

01:41:53.540 What do you mean you're feeding other kids while your kids are going hungry?

01:41:57.100 It's just too evil to even wrap your head around.

01:41:59.760 And that's literally what our government does.

01:42:01.980 Dude, yeah.

01:42:02.520 Especially right now.

01:42:03.220 That's literally what they do is they feed other countries that don't need it, by the way.

01:42:07.560 Not just the ones who maybe do, but ones who don't – while our people are here like starving.

01:42:13.060 I mean I'm not trying to like overstate it like there's mass starvation.

01:42:16.480 But I should say surviving a hurricane or fires or whatever.

01:42:20.380 Oh, I agree.

01:42:20.960 I was thinking today.

01:42:21.900 It was like, hey, well, Ukraine – Zelensky, can you give us back some of our money so we can pay our teachers better, so we can feed people who are starving in our own country, so we can get homeless people off the streets, so we can help cure some of our mental health, so we can help repair some of this fire damage for people that were uninsured or help the displaced people that are over here.

01:42:43.760 You know, just countless things.

01:42:47.000 I mean I could go on and on, but it's like – yeah, it just feels like we're just being money laundered a lot of times.

01:42:52.280 Well, even just – and to like –

01:42:54.700 And I know those people have problems, but it's like – you know, the perfect example for me was that Karen Bass lady from – with the L.A. fires, right?

01:43:01.440 I've never heard of her before, and she seems like a nice woman.

01:43:04.340 I bet she's a great woman. 1.00

01:43:06.340 But she was in Ghana – unless she was on vacation.

01:43:09.600 She was in Ghana, Africa while this was happening, and if she was on vacation, then she should be able to do whatever she wants, and she should be able to do whatever she wants anyway.

01:43:20.340 Just in – Los Angeles mayor freezes up.

01:43:22.620 This is exactly how people should be treated.

01:43:24.540 Do you owe citizens for being absent while their homes are burning?

01:43:26.980 Do you regret cutting the fire department budget?

01:43:28.540 Do you think you should have been visiting Ghana while this was unfolding back home?

01:43:34.260 But can you look up – was she in Ghana on vacation?

01:43:36.120 That's what I need help on.

01:43:37.740 But she's in Ghana.

01:43:38.480 But it's like why are you even in Ghana?

01:43:40.540 Like you're the mayor of a town.

01:43:41.980 And I think they did know, and they knew that like big windstorms were coming, and they knew that like this is a danger, you know, with wildfires and stuff.

01:43:49.060 So it's just – you would expect you'd be around there.

01:43:52.340 But it is – you know –

01:43:53.480 It's hard to point fingers at this point.

01:43:54.980 Like it's like – obviously things were bad.

01:43:57.100 They had that reservoir that was dead empty that was like – took countless millions of dollars and held millions of gallons of water.

01:44:05.120 Just a lot of – just, you know, I don't know.

01:44:07.680 It's heartbreaking.

01:44:08.760 What's happening out there is heartbreaking.

01:44:09.780 But that's the weird part.

01:44:11.020 It's like why is she even – you have – we have – how much do the people have to suffer or be struggling in our own country for our own country to be like here?

01:44:23.520 And who – how are we electing these people that aren't saying here, America, we're going to help you first?

01:44:31.280 Yeah, it's unbelievable.

01:44:32.300 It's totally outrageous, man.

01:44:33.820 How is that happening?

01:44:34.500 I just don't understand how it's happening.

01:44:35.820 Well, I mean I do think perhaps it's kind of like what you said earlier.

01:44:39.000 Like part of this is that we have just like acquired such a level of wealth and power as a country that it's almost like the politicians who now control the tax base of the American people, they feel like gods where they're like we can do all of this stuff.

01:44:55.000 I mean I remember when – and I think this was sincere.

01:44:58.400 I think Joe Biden actually heard and understood this question and had a moment of being lucid.

01:45:04.200 But it was when the war in Gaza first broke out and some reporter asked him and was like – they were like, well, you know, you're all in on this war in Ukraine.

01:45:13.600 You've already given them hundreds of billions of dollars and now you're saying you're going to support Israel.

01:45:17.460 Like are you sure America can take on another war that we have to foot the bill for now?

01:45:22.380 And he goes, of course – this is the United States of America.

01:45:27.840 Of course we can do it.

01:45:29.160 Who said that?

01:45:29.680 Rick, is your face?

01:45:29.980 Joe Biden.

01:45:30.540 Joe Biden, sorry.

01:45:31.940 And I'm sure in some way Joe Biden like believes that.

01:45:36.200 You know like Joe Biden is a child of the unipolar moment after the Soviet Union collapsed and America is dominant.

01:45:44.080 We can do whatever.

01:45:44.600 We can do anything.

01:45:45.560 This is America.

01:45:46.260 We can do whatever we want to.

01:45:47.360 It's like you just haven't updated this script because like it's 30 years later now.

01:45:51.880 And no, we can't just do whatever you want to.

01:45:54.700 And, you know, we just found out through this.

01:45:56.480 You know, it's like, OK, yeah, we could do whatever we want to but we can't tax people enough to raise the money and we can't borrow enough to get it.

01:46:02.620 So we have to print the money and then we deal with this price inflation we've been dealing with for the last few years.

01:46:07.300 It just like destroys working class people and it's like, yeah, I guess if you don't care about that, we can do it. 1.00

01:46:13.620 But if you do care about that, then actually, no, we can't.

01:46:16.480 We don't have limitless funds.

01:46:18.100 And I'll just say with this, right, look, you think about the United States of America, the federal government, it's the biggest, most powerful government in the history of the world by far, by any metric.

01:46:28.540 And yet, as we're doing everything, as we're backing the war in Israel, as we're backing Israel's war, we're backing Ukraine in this war, we're overthrowing regimes all around the world.

01:46:38.280 We're talking about what the – they have a summit where they talk about what the temperature is going to be in 100 years.

01:46:43.140 The government is trying to manage everything. 0.99

01:46:44.520 And yet, the most basic functions of government have all gone to shit. 0.99

01:46:48.680 We can't win our wars. 0.99

01:46:49.920 We can't balance our budgets.

01:46:51.180 We can't protect our borders. 1.00

01:46:52.660 Post office sucks, dude. 0.98

01:46:53.380 I was in the post office like three weeks ago, right? 1.00

01:46:55.620 There's a home – I want to say – I don't want to say homeless, but pretty homeless guy in there, right, yelling faggot over and over again, right, just yelling it into the fucking distance or whatever. 1.00

01:47:05.860 And, dude, I'm second in line, right? 1.00

01:47:08.500 So I'm like, ugh, you know.

01:47:10.680 But nobody even came to help him.

01:47:12.120 We're in there for seven minutes.

01:47:13.100 I just walked out.

01:47:13.980 I'm like, you know.

01:47:16.100 Well, that's the thing.

01:47:16.760 But this is –

01:47:17.100 But that's the U.S. postal system in a nutshell.

01:47:19.220 And California is a little microcosm of this, right?

01:47:21.500 It's the biggest state government, has the biggest budget of any state government.

01:47:24.580 And they're trying to turn our whole country into that.

01:47:25.880 They're trying to do everything.

01:47:26.640 They're trying to say, oh, we're going to have electric cars and we're going to have a new power grid and we're going to have all of this.

01:47:31.620 Meanwhile, the most basic service, like make sure your fire department has enough water in the area where – that is known for wildfires spreading.

01:47:40.900 Like the most basic thing you fail miserably at. 0.99

01:47:44.460 And then you're going to talk about all these pie-in-the-sky visions of how you're going to run the world and do all this shit. 0.99

01:47:49.820 And it's like, no, you're not good at this. 0.99

01:47:52.740 You're not doing anything right.

01:47:54.520 And there is something interesting about that where it's like when you try to take on way too much, you end up failing at the most basic responsibility that you have.

01:48:03.160 Yeah.

01:48:03.800 Oh, always.

01:48:05.680 Yeah, man.

01:48:06.460 It's wild.

01:48:07.120 And also when you push – when you position yourself as this we will handle it all, you don't let other societies and cultures kind of create their own narrative and wherewithal for themselves in a weird way.

01:48:23.040 Oh, I think that's absolutely right.

01:48:26.520 Yeah.

01:48:26.980 Oh, I think that's true.

01:48:27.960 That's true like internally in America and throughout the world.

01:48:31.960 But even like you see like – you see like in America like the rise of the welfare state like when it was really in the 60s and 70s when welfare became huge and then churches get diminished.

01:48:45.140 You know, it's like, oh, because that used to be what people would do if they needed help is they'd go to the local church and kind of ask them to help.

01:48:52.820 So it's like, oh, as you try to take care of everything, you end up killing and boxing out this other more organic thing where the people themselves would actually figure out like who in the community needs help.

01:49:03.220 That's true.

01:49:03.760 You know what I mean?

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01:50:38.100 Thank you. 0.93

01:50:38.600 I saw a lot of people got fucked up out there in LA. 0.90

01:50:42.380 I saw Whitney's video. 0.99

01:50:43.480 I felt awful.

01:50:44.340 Yeah, Whitney's had a lot of videos.

01:50:46.100 Yeah, she has.

01:50:46.680 Well, I met the one where she was crying and stuff.

01:50:48.720 Oh, I didn't see that one.

01:50:50.540 Oh, maybe I did.

01:50:51.200 I'm sorry if I did.

01:50:51.860 I've watched a couple of hers.

01:50:53.600 I wake up at about 5.15 and watch TikTok for like 40 minutes every night.

01:51:00.480 Get it while you can.

01:51:02.300 I know.

01:51:02.760 I'm not doing that good.

01:51:03.540 Here's one thing.

01:51:07.740 Yeah, play that Mel Gibson right there.

01:51:09.360 I just love the way he communicates.

01:51:11.300 Okay.

01:51:12.660 I have three friends.

01:51:14.880 I'll tell you a good story.

01:51:17.240 Okay.

01:51:18.720 I have three friends.

01:51:21.280 All three of them had stage four cancer.

01:51:24.120 All three of them don't have cancer right now at all.

01:51:27.100 Preach.

01:51:27.760 And they had some serious stuff going on.

01:51:30.580 And what did they take?

01:51:31.420 They took some, what you've heard they've taken.

01:51:39.400 Ivermectin.

01:51:40.920 Fembendazole.

01:51:41.560 Fembendazole.

01:51:42.280 Yeah.

01:51:42.840 Yeah, I'm hearing that a lot.

01:51:44.400 They drank hydrochloride something or other.

01:51:46.820 There's studies on that now where people have proven that they've-

01:51:49.780 People are drinking methylene blue and stuff.

01:51:51.500 Okay, hold on.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, methylene blue, which was a fabric dye.

01:51:54.640 Okay, stop.

01:51:55.300 Now we're getting into Breaking Bad territory.

01:51:58.380 That's the wild part of that, you know?

01:52:01.580 Yeah, look, man.

01:52:02.580 I mean, my default on this is to go, I probably think that's not true.

01:52:06.500 Like, I don't know.

01:52:07.360 But I also do-

01:52:09.200 I don't know a lot about, like, medicine and the health stuff.

01:52:12.520 No, no.

01:52:12.800 But I will say my eyes were definitely opened over COVID to, like, how corrupt the whole thing is.

01:52:19.280 And so it is almost like now when people say stuff like that, I'm a lot more be like, all right, I'm listening.

01:52:23.980 Yeah.

01:52:24.300 Like, maybe.

01:52:25.280 Yeah, over 12 ounces.

01:52:26.560 Give me 12 ounces of methylene blue.

01:52:27.920 You know what I'm saying?

01:52:28.340 Let's not try it.

01:52:29.240 I don't know.

01:52:29.860 I mean, like, if I had stage-

01:52:30.720 Give me a chaser. 0.68

01:52:31.540 If I had stage four cancer and, like, they were like, there's nothing we can do, I'd be like, hey, Joe, can you get me Mel Gibson's number?

01:52:39.340 I want to talk to him and his buddies about what they did.

01:52:41.540 I don't know.

01:52:42.340 Why not?

01:52:42.900 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:52:43.720 I would be drinking fucking pool water or whatever happened, you know, whatever it needed. 0.94

01:52:48.340 Did, what was one thing else that happened the other day? 0.98

01:52:53.260 Yeah, we're supposed to start shooting a movie.

01:52:54.840 Me and David Spade wrote a movie.

01:52:56.240 Oh, nice.

01:52:56.260 And we're supposed to start shooting it last week in L.A., but the fires.

01:53:01.280 So now it's just up in the air.

01:53:02.920 It's been, like, kind of bizarre, you know?

01:53:05.060 But the weirdest thing about L.A. that I'm hearing is, like, I'll get a text from a friend or talk to a friend who's crying, you know, their home is burnt down.

01:53:12.220 And then I'll get a call from a friend who's like, hey, man, do you want me to go over by your place and move your car to my apartment or whatever because in case the fire switch went?

01:53:21.080 And I'm like, I think I'm okay right now.

01:53:23.040 And I was like, what do you have to do?

01:53:24.420 He's like, I'm going to a couple auditions today, you know?

01:53:26.760 And so it's just such a crazy. 0.98

01:53:29.460 There's still normal shit happening in the middle of all of this. 0.98

01:53:32.280 Yeah. 0.98

01:53:32.760 Yeah.

01:53:33.140 Yeah.

01:53:33.460 It's interesting.

01:53:34.740 And that guy lives right.

01:53:35.740 I mean, he's going along the 405, like right where the border of, like, where the next evacuation.

01:53:40.200 It's just, it's amazing.

01:53:41.860 I remember when I lived there during some of the last fires, you'd be driving the 405 and there would just be fire on both sides.

01:53:50.060 And it almost feels like it's like that.

01:53:55.480 What's that place in Florida with the Adventure Park or whatever?

01:53:58.340 Six Flags.

01:53:59.520 It almost has us because you can't believe that it's real.

01:54:02.820 I know what you mean. 0.99

01:54:03.220 And you're in Hollywood where shit is a lot of things are made and manufactured and created. 0.99

01:54:07.580 So you're like, well, of course this isn't real. 0.99

01:54:09.440 Well, it's one of the things about cities that are real strange, like these modern cities where there's millions of people.

01:54:16.200 And I saw this a lot during COVID, particularly in New York and L.A., where it's like, it's almost like there's nothing that people won't just adjust to because they're kind of trapped there.

01:54:25.820 You can't really get out.

01:54:27.440 You can't, you know.

01:54:28.300 And so it's almost like, all right, well, they're doing this now.

01:54:32.420 All right.

01:54:32.900 I guess we got to live that, you know, in New York.

01:54:34.460 It's just like, all right, there's homeless people all over the subways. 0.99

01:54:36.740 That guy's jerking off. 0.97

01:54:37.620 I guess I got to just like walk around him and get to my work because I got it. 0.99

01:54:40.600 What else am I going to do?

01:54:41.840 Better bring my cumbrella with me.

01:54:44.280 Yeah.

01:54:44.640 This is the kind of stuff it was.

01:54:45.820 This is very intense.

01:54:46.900 This must have been 2017 from Andrew Mutz.

01:54:50.580 Wow.

01:54:50.820 That's a wild picture.

01:54:52.420 But bro, this same highway, same spot, Skirball Drive.

01:54:56.400 Keep playing that for a minute.

01:54:57.660 I mean, that's insane.

01:55:04.160 Like, how should you be able to drive this close?

01:55:06.920 It's just.

01:55:10.820 I mean, there's something very bizarre about the like juxtaposition of just going about your daily life while this craziness is happening right there.

01:55:18.320 People live there.

01:55:19.140 There's people.

01:55:19.760 Yeah, like someone right now in that car, like someone's wife calls their cell and they're just like, would you mind stopping at the store on your way home?

01:55:26.500 Like we're out of milk or whatever.

01:55:28.060 They go, OK, fine.

01:55:28.880 I'll stop by there and then just look out their window and they're like, oh, God's angry.

01:55:32.380 All right.

01:55:32.960 Yeah.

01:55:33.320 Gosh.

01:55:33.900 Hey, Siri, play Spotify play Firework by Katy Perry.

01:55:39.060 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

01:55:39.440 There's somebody picking up a song and then realizing, oh, maybe not right now or some guy smoking is like, oh, it's already fucked anyway. 0.99

01:55:45.420 Yeah. 0.97

01:55:45.800 It's like, what?

01:55:46.440 Is this really going to be the problem?

01:55:47.700 It's just people be – it's just people are still going to be people.

01:55:52.460 What else was something else that I wanted to talk to you about?

01:55:54.520 Oh, some of the – Trump's picks that you're not excited about.

01:55:59.360 Marco Rubio at the State Department I hate.

01:56:02.220 And what does the State Department do?

01:56:03.600 Well, I mean there – it's a pretty big responsibility.

01:56:08.320 I mean there is – the State Department basically interacts with the rest of the world on behalf of the United States of America.

01:56:14.680 And in recent years, I mean the State Department is involved in a lot of war making even as much as the Defense Department is.

01:56:26.100 And I mean the – two examples I could think of like right off the top of my head were the war in Libya overthrowing Gaddafi.

01:56:34.760 It was enormously led by the State Department under Hillary Clinton.

01:56:39.880 And in 2014, the backing the Maidon revolution that overthrew Yanukovych in Ukraine was mostly done by the State Department.

01:56:52.320 And so Marco Rubio is like a real neocon war hawk and has been for many years.

01:56:58.600 What does the neocon mean?

01:56:59.660 Well, neocon at this point has kind of – like I'm using it in kind of the informal sense.

01:57:04.420 It's basically just come to mean like the war hawks who push for war after war after war.

01:57:12.620 Oh, they want war.

01:57:13.500 Always more regime change wars.

01:57:15.240 Always the next target.

01:57:16.220 Always the next thing.

01:57:17.080 The neoconservative – like the self-identification – Marco Rubio is not a self-described neoconservative.

01:57:22.340 The people who actually called themselves neoconservatives was actually like a small group of people.

01:57:27.660 Well, this is – the Wikipedia probably has some good information on it here.

01:57:30.800 But these were guys who really – they really took power under George W. Bush.

01:57:35.840 A lot of them were in Reagan's government and in George H. W. Bush's government.

01:57:39.580 But they really took over when George W. Bush was in power.

01:57:43.460 But yes, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Douglas Fype, all these guys.

01:57:47.820 Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams.

01:57:49.520 Do they make – do we think that they make money off of war?

01:57:51.800 Well, it's a fact that a lot of them work at think tanks that are funded by weapons companies.

01:57:58.840 It's a fact that Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton.

01:58:01.940 I mean like these things are – so they are connected to interests that make lots of money off the wars.

01:58:06.480 But – so a lot of them basically were – they were not all but a lot of them were Jewish and a lot of – they were leftists who came over and kind of became conservatives in the second half of the 20th century.

01:58:22.840 And they were – so they – in the 90s, there were these – there was one major think tank that was called the Project for a New American Century.

01:58:32.880 And they basically wrote out all their plans of like what they wanted to do back in the 90s.

01:58:38.880 And the major thing was that they wanted – the Project for a New American Century, the idea of it was that – right.

01:58:45.580 So it was a neoconservative think tank in D.C.

01:58:48.580 And a lot of these same people – I mean Robert Kagan and William Kristol were the guys who founded it.

01:58:55.920 But if you look through the name of signatures, you'll see Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perl, a lot of these guys.

01:59:05.140 Now they basically – this was if you could imagine in the 90s.

01:59:09.280 This is right after the Soviet Union collapses.

01:59:11.380 This is where – what Charles Krauttenheimer, who is another neoconservative who is dead now, he called the unipolar moment.

01:59:18.300 And what that meant was that it was like, hey, for the first time in the world – for the first time in the history of the world, there is one global superpower that is more powerful than any other country that has ever existed.

01:59:28.640 Now that the Soviet Union is gone, it's ours. 0.98

01:59:31.080 So what do you want to do?

01:59:32.380 Now there was this big divide amongst conservatives.

01:59:34.520 A lot of conservatives, what are called the paleo-conservatives, it was like Pat Buchanan and guys like that, they were like, well, now that the Cold War is over, we can come home.

01:59:46.360 We were fighting this war because it was the Cold War because it was the Soviet Union.

01:59:49.080 But now that the Soviet Union is gone, we can disband NATO.

01:59:51.600 I want to listen to some Don McClain.

01:59:53.060 That's right.

01:59:54.260 Close all the bases.

01:59:55.400 Bring everyone home.

01:59:56.060 We could go back to being a normal country was the idea.

01:59:58.780 We don't have to rule the world.

01:59:59.740 We were never supposed to rule the world.

02:00:01.080 In Pat Buchanan's idea, they were only doing this because the Soviet Union existed.

02:00:05.600 But then there were these neoconservatives and they went, no, no, no, no, no.

02:00:09.960 Now that we control the world, we have to come up with a project for the new American century. 0.68

02:00:16.340 We want another century.

02:00:17.920 The 20th century was dominated by America and we want to make sure the 21st century is dominated by America. 0.93

02:00:23.400 And this is – I'm not exaggerating.

02:00:24.920 You can go read these papers.

02:00:26.040 You can go Google project for a new American century and you can find all this stuff.

02:00:30.280 And they said their plan was – they were like, look.

02:00:34.140 A statement of principles they released on June 3rd, 1997.

02:00:37.800 Yeah.

02:00:38.260 There's – if you go to the calls for regime change in Iraq, they might have a good link there that would be like the document.

02:00:46.100 I'm just blanking on the name of some of the documents that they put out.

02:00:50.100 But they basically said no one can mess with us and so what we need to do right now is we need to have multiple wars in the Middle East.

02:00:56.940 We need to have regime changes and get rid of all of the old allies of the Soviet Union, put in our people who we like. 0.97

02:01:04.660 Specifically advocating regime changes through a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.

02:01:09.580 The letter suggested that any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Hussein even if no evidence linked Iraq to the September 11th attacks.

02:01:20.800 Well, listen, you got to understand a lot of this stuff was written – this is in the 90s.

02:01:26.140 This is before the September 11th attacks that they were talking about getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

02:01:29.920 They actually say there's one paper – and this is what the 9-11 truthers – they would love to hang on to this.

02:01:35.960 So they said they did 9-11 because they wanted this to happen.

02:01:38.620 Well, there's one thing – it was in the 90s.

02:01:41.600 I can't remember what year it was, but you could find this.

02:01:44.800 But they say – basically, they go through this whole thing of how we really want to overthrow Saddam Hussein in Iraq and then we want to fight multiple wars in the Middle East and have multiple regime changes.

02:01:54.040 And they actually said in the paper – they go, but it would be very challenging to get enough popular support to do something like this short of another Pearl Harbor-style attack.

02:02:03.900 So they literally say we really kind of need an attack on America in order to work up enough support to go fight these wars.

02:02:12.740 Now, that isn't proof that they did 9-11, but it does certainly indicate that –

02:02:19.380 That they know the recipe.

02:02:20.460 Well, at the very least, when 9-11 happened, they went, yes, now we got our – so this is one of the worst – 0.99

02:02:26.880 You know, like the worst thing that ended up happening was that when 9-11 happens, George W. Bush is president and all these motherfuckers are in power. 0.93

02:02:37.300 So they got their opportunity and right away after 9-11 – and we know this because the four-star general Wesley Clark himself said that he was out of power at the time. 0.95

02:02:46.720 But he went to the Pentagon and he said that he saw plans late 2001 already drawn up for the invasion of Iraq.

02:02:54.860 So like as soon as 9-11 happened, they were like, OK, we're going to use this to go overthrow Saddam Hussein.

02:03:01.960 Now, all right, if I could pull it back a few – so a few years before 9-11 in 1996.

02:03:07.720 And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.

02:03:19.420 Yeah.

02:03:19.780 So that's – I mean, this was their words.

02:03:22.020 And that's all the PNAC or whatever?

02:03:23.560 Yes.

02:03:24.000 This is PNAC, the Project for a New American Century.

02:03:26.740 OK.

02:03:27.100 Now, a lot of these same people involved here, but there was a letter – OK, there was a letter written –

02:03:32.120 Dark artists, huh?

02:03:33.260 Yeah.

02:03:33.940 So check this one out.

02:03:34.780 In 1996, so just four years before this report, there's a letter that was written by Richard Perle and – it was not Douglas Spife.

02:03:45.740 It was Richard Perle and Wormser and David Wormser was the other guy who wrote it.

02:03:51.740 And so two of these neoconservatives.

02:03:53.520 And they wrote this letter.

02:03:54.720 The letter is called A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.

02:03:59.060 And it's written to Benjamin Netanyahu, who in 1996 was the first year that he became prime minister, OK?

02:04:07.260 And in this – basically what this was all about is that they were – the neoconservatives were saying, hey, here's the new strategy, OK?

02:04:14.760 And the new strategy is in the early 90s, you had had these Oslo Accords, which were the – what was known as the peace process.

02:04:21.980 The peace – and that was like the Oslo Accord.

02:04:23.640 It was to try to get – that was supposed to help with Palestine, right? 0.99

02:04:28.600 Yes.

02:04:29.160 So Bill Clinton is – famously was a big deal when I was a kid.

02:04:33.020 It was Bill Clinton had Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin, the leader of the PLO and the prime minister of Israel, here together to work out, we're finally – we're going to do a two-state solution and we're going to make this deal.

02:04:45.580 They brought them together, shook hands.

02:04:47.160 I mean after years and years, decades of bloody fighting, this was like – it seemed like an amazing step forward and Israel committed to what they call a peace process.

02:04:56.960 So eventually – essentially, they committed that they're like, you know this land that we know is not ours that we've been occupying since 1967?

02:05:05.100 We do have to give this back to you.

02:05:06.760 Like we have to give this to you and we have to have a two-state solution of some sense.

02:05:10.200 We will do that but there has to be a process that we go through.

02:05:13.320 So, you know, better than nothing at least, right?

02:05:16.060 So this is what started.

02:05:17.460 Now, then Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister of Israel, was assassinated by a right-wing Israeli, by – yeah, by a Netanyahu supporter, assassinated him for betraying his own country and talking – but Israel was still on the hook for promising to eventually give the Palestinians their own state.

02:05:34.900 And the clean break memo – and it's a little bit coded but it's basically like, listen, we got to get away from that.

02:05:43.480 We got to get away from this peace process and the idea of like giving the Palestinians their land. 0.83

02:05:50.300 This threatens Israel's stability. 0.86

02:05:52.700 Now, for years, OK –

02:05:54.560 I could see them thinking that though for sure.

02:05:56.360 Sure, sure.

02:05:56.600 Now, for many years, the thinking, which culminated in the Oslo Accords, right, the reason why there was this peace process is that the thinking, the Yitzhak Rabin thinking was that, listen, you have the Arab world who hates Israel's guts over their treatment of the Palestinian people.

02:06:13.800 And so you have to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can be friendly with the surrounding Arab world so that they don't all hate you and you can coexist and you can be prosperous, right?

02:06:26.840 Now, the clean break is essentially a break from that line of thinking.

02:06:31.260 And they go, no, no, no, no.

02:06:32.520 You don't need to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can then make peace with the broader Arab world.

02:06:39.300 What you need to do is overthrow the regimes in the broader Arab world that are pissed off at you and that way you won't have to ever make peace with the Palestinians. 0.88

02:06:48.040 You'll never have to give them land if we could just overthrow Saddam Hussein and then overthrow the mullahs in Iran and then overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria. 0.62

02:06:55.720 And so they lay out this strategy and this is the clean break, the clean break, excuse me.

02:07:01.820 And these are our top neoconservatives who end up in the George W. Bush administration explicitly saying that the reason they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein is because he's a problem for Israel.

02:07:12.840 And a few years later when four-star general Wesley Clark, who, by the way, recently in a debate with my friend Scott Horton, admitted that these plans went all the way back to 96 and not just 2001, which he had said before.

02:07:29.780 But this was the famous – I don't know if you've ever seen it before, but the seven countries in five years.

02:07:34.840 So this is Wesley Clark.

02:07:36.340 You can pull up this video if you want to.

02:07:37.860 It's pretty interesting and has a lot.

02:07:40.400 Are we really down a rabbit hole right now?

02:07:42.160 We are?

02:07:42.760 Well, this is when you told – this is when Rogan told you if you want to talk about Syria, I'll take you down a rabbit hole.

02:07:48.040 So here's the rabbit hole.

02:07:50.180 11.

02:07:51.140 About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz.

02:07:58.400 I went downstairs.

02:07:59.100 So he's talking about the guys from PNAC.

02:08:01.000 Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in.

02:08:04.220 He said, sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second.

02:08:07.600 I said, well, you're too busy.

02:08:08.480 He said, no, no.

02:08:09.540 He says, we've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq. 0.65

02:08:14.620 This was on or about the 20th of September.

02:08:17.280 I said, we're going to war with Iraq? 0.90

02:08:19.160 Why?

02:08:21.200 He said, I don't know.

02:08:24.500 He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.

02:08:26.660 So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?

02:08:33.140 He said, no, no.

02:08:34.540 He says, there's nothing new that way.

02:08:36.600 They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.

02:08:39.560 He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments.

02:08:46.840 And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.

02:08:53.900 So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.

02:08:59.460 I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?

02:09:01.320 And he said, oh, it's worse than that.

02:09:03.220 He said, he reached over on his desk.

02:09:04.980 He picked up a piece of paper.

02:09:06.040 He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today.

02:09:10.920 And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.

02:09:25.060 I said, is it classified?

02:09:26.600 He said, yes, sir.

02:09:28.100 I said, well, don't show it to me.

02:09:33.380 And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, you remember that?

02:09:36.440 He said, sir, I didn't show you that memo.

02:09:38.660 I didn't show it to you.

02:09:40.920 I'm sorry.

02:09:41.560 What did you say his name was?

02:09:45.400 I'm not going to give you his name.

02:09:47.020 So that's essentially the part to show.

02:09:49.400 But so there's –

02:09:50.420 And is he joking around, you think, or he's being serious?

02:09:52.640 Oh, he's being serious.

02:09:53.480 He was just asked about it recently, and he was like, oh, yeah, no, this happened.

02:09:56.660 And he actually said in this more recent – he had a one-on-one debate against Scott Horton.

02:10:01.620 And he – when Scott brought this up, he goes, you know, it actually went back further than that.

02:10:05.640 I had seen those plans back in 96.

02:10:08.300 It was the neoconservatives, right?

02:10:10.320 And so the neoconservatives, the ones who were in charge of the W. Bush administration or were at very high posts in that administration, this was their plan.

02:10:19.780 And as they had mentioned in the clean break explicitly for Israel, like it was to change the dynamics so that Israel – we would take out all of their enemies and put them in a situation where they never had to come through on the peace process. 0.54

02:10:33.380 And so that's why – or at least a huge part of the reason why we fought a war in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in why we've backed Israel through all of these proxy wars.

02:10:47.080 It's all about that.

02:10:49.060 And it's – this is what – even more so than their treatment of the Palestinians, this is the thing that I'm furious at Israel about.

02:10:56.700 It's like what is with this like pressure of like lying my country's people into war after war after war that does nothing but create disasters for us?

02:11:09.200 Well, we're always looked at then.

02:11:10.460 And certainly I think as the – you start to get looked at as the bad guy, if that's true.

02:11:15.060 You know, you start to get looked at as the bad guy.

02:11:16.780 If you invite me to come help you, you know, or if I have the bullets, you know, and you have me come along and fire the gun, even if you give me the orders or whatever, I'm still a murderer, you know.

02:11:28.120 Right.

02:11:28.400 I'm still complicit.

02:11:29.100 But a clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm is a policy document prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Pearl for Benjamin Netanyahu, then prime minister of Israel.

02:11:40.960 Key points, abandoning the Oslo Accords and the concept of a land for peace, reestablishing the principle of preemption rather than retaliation.

02:11:49.100 So just to be clear, because again, they're saying these in kind of like – and this is how they talk about it, right?

02:11:54.220 So it's all coded a little bit.

02:11:56.100 But abandoning Oslo means the peace process.

02:11:58.280 The concept of land for peace, meaning like this concept that the Palestinians deserve their land.

02:12:04.160 Get rid of that weird concept.

02:12:05.500 And then number two, think about how creepy that is, reestablishing the principle of preemptive rather than retaliation.

02:12:12.140 So in other words, we don't wait for you to attack us.

02:12:15.680 We just start attacking you right away because we know you're going to.

02:12:19.700 So essentially giving up on the idea of a just war, like giving up on the idea of like, oh, we were attacked and therefore we go to war.

02:12:27.740 And instead, we'll just keep attacking you because we've decided you're going to attack us in the future. 0.99

02:12:33.340 But now part of you, say if this is all true, right, you almost have to give Israel credit as well because they're fucking gangsters. 0.99

02:12:41.420 That's another thing. 0.99

02:12:42.260 It's like –

02:12:42.600 No question.

02:12:42.940 Sometimes people are like – you hear people say stuff about why we're fun Israel and this and that and why – but then you're also like, well, if like – they did it. 0.98

02:12:58.300 If we're still playing by all these old rules of like Game of Thrones style shit and fucking it's a dog-eat-dog world and occupying land and all that kind of stuff, if you're still playing risk, right? 0.97

02:13:15.140 Yes. 0.99

02:13:15.420 But you're convincing everybody that we're not playing that way anymore, but you're still playing that way. 0.99

02:13:20.440 It's fucking really gangster. 0.94

02:13:22.620 If might makes right and the only thing that matters are the laws of conquest and who's winning is winning, then okay, sure. 0.99

02:13:30.260 You got to give it to them that like, hey, you've done it.

02:13:32.440 But, okay, if that's your feeling, then fine, but then you don't get to cry these tears about, oh, October 7th was so horrible and they did this to us because, hey, you're just playing the game of might makes right and whoever can kill the other side can kill the other side.

02:13:47.600 And then also – okay, even if you're playing by those rules, I'll respect gangster.

02:13:51.760 Like I respect gangsters.

02:13:53.260 Sure.

02:13:53.480 Yeah, I just want to know what the rules are.

02:13:54.860 But then at the same time, you also got to understand that we live in a new world now and like all the stuff we were talking about before, like people can talk about this stuff now and people can communicate.

02:14:07.220 And I'm sorry, but if that's the case, then what I'm rooting for is what's best for my country.

02:14:13.680 And none of these wars made my country better.

02:14:16.740 In fact, they made it much, much worse.

02:14:18.560 You know, all we got to show for the war in Iraq is thousands of our bravest young boys dead, tens of thousands of them killing themselves in the wake of it, tens of thousands more injured and horribly just a shell of themselves.

02:14:33.020 And unsure of what they're – I think – and I don't know if people would want to admit this or talk about it and it may be anti-American for me to say it.

02:14:40.580 But I think the definition right now of being American is frayed in some ways.

02:14:48.120 But what they were – I mean, the truth of – probably closing your eyes at night and be like, well, what was I fighting for?

02:14:53.760 You know?

02:14:53.940 Yep.

02:14:54.300 And maybe that's messed up.

02:14:55.520 Is that messed up of me to say that?

02:14:56.840 No, I'm just speculating.

02:14:57.800 I don't know.

02:14:58.320 No, I don't think so.

02:14:59.140 I've heard a lot of combat vets say the same thing.

02:15:01.500 Yeah.

02:15:01.720 So I don't think that's messed up at all.

02:15:03.300 Yeah, what was I fighting for?

02:15:04.180 I think that's right at the core of why they had – you know, there were wars.

02:15:07.680 Because, you know, like World War II was much more bloody and vicious than any of the fighting in the terror wars.

02:15:15.580 And we didn't have suicide rates the way we do now.

02:15:18.020 And I do think a huge part of that is because like those guys felt like, hey, we were liberating Europe. 0.96

02:15:23.420 Like there was – they didn't come back and feel like, oh, what the fuck did I even do that for? 0.94

02:15:28.040 You know? 0.95

02:15:28.420 And a lot of these guys, they come back and they're like, oh, I was straight up lied to.

02:15:32.400 Like I was lied to.

02:15:33.580 Oh, I was just a pawn in your – in some rich guy's game. 0.99

02:15:36.880 And that included me like doing all types of shit to people that is very hard for any civilized person to do. 0.98

02:15:44.480 Oh, your conscience can't – it's a teeter-totter. 0.99

02:15:46.920 Well, you immediately – you know, you put yourself in a crazy situation.

02:15:50.520 So like look, if I'm going to – if I'm going to break into your house with a gun, like once I've already made that decision that I'm going to break into your house with a gun,

02:15:59.500 whatever justified me to getting to that point, there's now – there's a whole different dynamic where now like, okay, I could say, hey, I'm just trying to break into your house with a gun.

02:16:08.580 I'm going to be the good guy here. 0.99

02:16:09.740 But if I break into your house with a gun and you run up at me with a gun, I got to shoot at you now. 0.99

02:16:15.460 And then once that's over, if I'm back home, you go like, I mean, from this guy's perspective, I broke into his house. 0.99

02:16:22.140 Who was really the aggressor here?

02:16:24.060 I mean, sure, I shot him because he raised his gun at me.

02:16:27.320 But really, I was the one who went – and so this is what it's like for an invading arm.

02:16:32.220 And also it's not –

02:16:34.520 And what were we even doing there?

02:16:35.700 And when you find out that a lot of the people were Saudi Arabian or something and we didn't even deal with it, it's like what was going on? 0.95

02:16:41.840 Oh, I can't even imagine.

02:16:42.880 And it's also like there's something to be said for the – even if you – like if you fought a guy, let's say like back in your drinking days or something like that, you got into a bar fight or something like that,

02:16:53.620 and you fight a guy who's around your size and you go – and you end up like winning the fight even.

02:16:58.900 It's like there's still something different about that than if you just went and beat up a dude who was like a third of your size.

02:17:05.720 You know, like at least when we fought in World War II, the Nazis were very powerful.

02:17:09.820 It was at – early in the war, it wasn't clear exactly who was going to win.

02:17:14.360 But Iraq, you know, for the US military to go fight – it's like, come on, dude.

02:17:19.440 This is a joke.

02:17:20.720 We took down their government in a matter of weeks.

02:17:22.920 Well, remember they had those videos of them training on like jungle gyms and stuff?

02:17:26.560 Remember those videos?

02:17:27.340 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:28.140 Well, I think that was like Al-Qaeda or something like that.

02:17:29.940 But yeah, it's still like, yeah, yeah, that was the monkey bars or whatever. 0.98

02:17:33.520 It's all just so ridiculous. 0.99

02:17:34.880 There's no way you're going to go fuck those people up and not be left with a little bit of a feeling like – 1.00

02:17:39.820 Fuck, we beat up the weak kid. 1.00

02:17:40.640 What did I just do? 1.00

02:17:41.640 Yeah.

02:17:41.880 We beat up a weak entity.

02:17:42.900 Yes.

02:17:43.400 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:44.060 Damn. 0.99

02:17:47.080 Who were some Trump picks, some other cabinet picks that you're not sure about you feel like? 0.98

02:17:50.480 I know – I'm blanking on his name.

02:17:53.320 I know his national security advisor I really didn't like and I heard some statements from him that I didn't like.

02:17:59.400 You know, Pete Hegseth was an interesting one.

02:18:01.980 I don't really know enough about him.

02:18:02.900 He's from Montana?

02:18:03.680 Is that that guy?

02:18:04.420 Is he from Montana?

02:18:05.420 I'm not sure.

02:18:06.420 I know he was a Fox News guy for a long time.

02:18:08.080 I've met him a couple times.

02:18:09.400 Former Georgia congressman is up first.

02:18:11.760 Let me see.

02:18:12.460 What's he doing about Pete Hegseth?

02:18:13.580 Trump's –

02:18:15.500 Hegseth, 44, has developed a close rapport with Trump, a military veteran and popular conservative media personality with a large following of his own.

02:18:25.240 He hosted like the Fox morning show for years.

02:18:29.080 Oh, I think I remember who he is now.

02:18:32.280 America's white sons and daughters are walking away and who can blame them? 0.99

02:18:35.640 I think he's talking about the military.

02:18:37.160 Yeah.

02:18:37.520 Yeah, no, he was – so I met him back in I want to say like 2016 or something like that and he was like – I think he had pretty standard like Republican politics.

02:18:49.800 I think he – from what I've heard, he's kind of changed a bit over the years and has become much more skeptical about a lot of the wars.

02:18:57.300 I do remember – this is one moment I always thought was really interesting that I saw him on one show on Fox News and this was such a not Fox News type thing for him to talk about.

02:19:06.960 But he brought up and went into pretty graphic detail the epidemic of warlords raping little boys in Afghanistan and this was a major thing that a lot of the guys who served in Afghanistan talk about.

02:19:22.320 But so when we were – we were against the Taliban, we were trying to overthrow the Taliban and a lot has been made in America and rightfully so about how the Taliban are really brutal on women's rights.

02:19:33.800 They don't let girls go to school. 1.00

02:19:35.880 They don't let women have any type of freedom. 1.00

02:19:37.640 However, on the other side were these tribal warlords who we were propping up and it is true that they would let the little girls go to school but they would also rape the little boys. 0.55

02:19:51.120 There's like an epidemic of it and they bring – and so the dynamic was that our soldiers over there weren't allowed to say anything about that because they'd be like, well, listen, this is their customs and their way of life.

02:20:03.600 And so they would talk about how they could hear the screams from the little boys like in their rooms and stuff.

02:20:09.680 And he talked about it on Fox News which just kind of gave me the impression that I was like, oh, maybe this guy is willing to kind of like tell the truth in a thing where it's a little uncomfortable in an audience that isn't typically used to hearing that.

02:20:23.960 So we'll see.

02:20:24.720 I don't know though.

02:20:25.540 He used to really support the wars.

02:20:27.180 I'm not sure where he is now.

02:20:28.540 So interesting.

02:20:30.980 Wow.

02:20:31.780 There's a lot going on, huh?

02:20:34.020 Yes.

02:20:34.420 Do you think that Trump's – that things are going to be different this time?

02:20:37.840 Do you really think that – say there is this deep state, right?

02:20:41.320 Do you think we can really get away from it or is it just a lost cause?

02:20:46.260 And sometimes it's like I almost just wish they – my thing is I just wish they would – I just want to know.

02:20:51.040 I don't like not knowing.

02:20:54.320 Just tell me.

02:20:54.920 I'll do whatever – I'll do the game.

02:20:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:20:57.740 But tell me what the game is.

02:20:59.300 Tell me what the rules are.

02:21:00.500 I understand that impulse.

02:21:01.800 I think that – I think the best part of Trump winning is that it's been the cultural effect of all of it I think has been amazing.

02:21:09.820 Like I really think everything like from November to now has just been great.

02:21:13.340 It's been great.

02:21:14.180 There's been this big reset that we needed in America.

02:21:17.580 It's like the corporate media is crumbling.

02:21:19.960 Wokeism is receding.

02:21:21.340 Like the insane kind of political correctness of the last few years seems to be like largely defeated.

02:21:27.880 I think all of that is great.

02:21:29.160 I don't think the deep state is going anywhere in the next few years.

02:21:33.000 But that – I don't – like I'm very optimistic long term.

02:21:41.740 I think that it's easy to say like we're never going to beat this thing and it's always going to be this way.

02:21:48.520 They have so much power.

02:21:49.360 We have so little.

02:21:50.240 But the truth is like communism fell.

02:21:54.880 Slavery was abolished.

02:21:56.760 America declared independence from the British monarchy.

02:22:00.200 These things all would have seemed impossible and you could have easily said, oh, this is just going to be here forever.

02:22:06.060 It's just the way of the world.

02:22:07.100 But it wasn't.

02:22:08.400 Those things are gone now.

02:22:09.480 And I think there's no reason why America can't have like a great kind of – a great reformation, a great return to the best things about America, a huge increase in liberty and decrease in awful state corruption.

02:22:26.960 Like I don't see any reason why that can't happen, especially when they don't have the propaganda machine anymore.

02:22:31.140 Yeah, and I think – I've always thought like the sand – like it all gets remembered, right?

02:22:37.700 Like I think sometimes it's like are we just – is America still suffering from like what it did to the Native Americans here, you know? 0.98

02:22:46.060 And I know that's kind of wild, but they had like the – there was a line that they put.

02:22:50.920 I think it was around the Mississippi called the something frontier, general frontier or something where they're like we'll – it was like just a deal that they'd made with the Native Americans.

02:22:58.180 We promise we will never cross here. 1.00

02:22:59.640 This is your land.

02:23:00.680 It will always be your land.

02:23:02.120 And then within 30 years it was like – you know.

02:23:05.600 And it's like I just feel like the ground remembers.

02:23:07.980 It's like – sometimes it's like you're just – you can't completely escape sin, I don't think, you know, or wrong.

02:23:15.940 I don't think you can completely escape, but you can feel like you can, and you might in your generation, in your life.

02:23:22.180 But what you're going to leave is something that's – it's in the end it all has to be even.

02:23:27.420 And so I just feel like, you know, like the ground just keeps the score.

02:23:32.860 Yeah, there was something – was it to you?

02:23:35.940 I can't remember.

02:23:36.520 But there was something Jordan Peterson said about that that is like how you can't get away with lying, how you can't like twist the fabric of reality and it not snap back at you.

02:23:45.720 And there is something to that.

02:23:47.340 I don't know if it's exactly perfect, but like there is something to like where no matter what – you know, it's like – it's true like in a relationship.

02:23:56.280 Like, you know, if you think like, oh, maybe you're like, oh, I could get away with treating my wife shitty. 1.00

02:24:01.300 And maybe you even can because she'll take it for a while.

02:24:03.980 But like ultimately there's going to be a price to pay for that.

02:24:06.540 You kind of can't get away from it.

02:24:07.660 Yeah, there's going to be a Dateline episode.

02:24:08.960 Yeah.

02:24:09.420 And people are going to side with her.

02:24:11.280 You know what I'm saying?

02:24:11.740 Like it's all going to – you can't –

02:24:14.680 Well, it's the same way you could stay up.

02:24:16.180 You could stay up for three days in a row and not sleep.

02:24:18.780 But then like on that fourth day, you're going to just fall out and be in deep – because like you owe REM sleep.

02:24:24.880 You owe it.

02:24:25.780 Like you – sorry, we got to – the universe has a receipt for you of REM sleep that you owe for the last –

02:24:30.840 The invoice.

02:24:31.380 And there's something about how like – you know, it's like, okay, I could like – I could go on my treadmill right now and like go run for 20 minutes and that will suck.

02:24:40.460 I hate those 20 minutes when I go run on my treadmill.

02:24:42.860 Or I could eat a big piece of cheesecake and just love the next 20 minutes and feel so good.

02:24:48.560 But there's going to be a price to pay for that.

02:24:51.060 You know what I mean?

02:24:51.620 Like I'm going to feel better about myself.

02:24:53.260 I'm going to be in better health if I do the running.

02:24:55.320 There's just this weird thing with the universe where it's like you kind of can't cheat the system.

02:25:00.220 And if you try to cheat the system, there's always a price associated with it.

02:25:03.960 And now you owe that price.

02:25:05.240 It may come later in life.

02:25:07.480 It may – whatever.

02:25:08.060 You know, like if I want to like – whatever it is, if I want to be really shitty to my wife now, it's like maybe I think that gets me some advantage in the short term.

02:25:17.240 But then when my son's older and he remembers that and he hates me, it's like, oh, okay.

02:25:22.000 There's the price for me not being good to his mom.

02:25:24.580 So you always like – in life in general, you're always better off if you err on the side of like doing the right thing so that you don't owe these prices later in life.

02:25:33.520 I see it all the time. 0.98

02:25:34.640 You see it with like old men who were like shitty drunk dads and now they're alone and they're old alcoholics and you're like, oh, man, the ultimate loser here is you. 0.96

02:25:44.800 Like you got like a grandkid you never met, you know, and it's like there's – you can't cheat this game. 0.93

02:25:50.660 So you're better off just doing the right thing and not accruing all these debts.

02:25:54.440 Yeah.

02:25:56.380 I – what do you think about Elon and Vivek?

02:25:59.140 Do you think that that is a – is that really something that's going to have an effect on things?

02:26:04.940 Who do they have to answer to because they're not an actual government entity?

02:26:08.980 Is that correct?

02:26:09.920 Yeah. 0.82

02:26:10.220 So it's ridiculous but it's also really interesting. 0.85

02:26:15.360 And yeah, Donald Trump just gave them a made-up department that they're in charge of. 0.69

02:26:19.200 So they're not technically a government department.

02:26:21.960 Department of government efficiency.

02:26:23.280 It's a department but it's not a real government department.

02:26:24.960 Department of government efficiency does.

02:26:26.480 So it's not real.

02:26:27.440 But this – I've been seeing this for a while.

02:26:28.720 I feel like we've entered this kind of like privatized communism, I call it, where – and you could call – and this wouldn't maybe be considered communism, but it's privatized democracy, right?

02:26:38.700 It's like we have – like we don't have the post office anymore.

02:26:42.240 We have Amazon.

02:26:43.440 We have email.

02:26:44.440 You know, it's like it's all been privatized, right?

02:26:46.980 We don't really realize it. 0.98

02:26:48.240 There's still – everybody's like the government sucks. 0.77

02:26:49.860 It's like, yeah, but the government's a company now. 1.00

02:26:51.680 It's some other company that's doing the shit that the government used to do. 0.99

02:26:54.500 Well, right. 0.98

02:26:54.760 So instead of the game – because what it is is that in most people's minds, they have kind of roughly at least the idea of like capitalism versus socialism.

02:27:04.960 And I understand – I'm speaking like with a broad brush here.

02:27:08.040 But like they're like, OK, so like on one hand, you have like the government isn't involved and it's all like competition in private companies.

02:27:14.520 And then on the other hand, you have like the government's much more involved and the government takes over these services.

02:27:18.860 But really what we have isn't either of those.

02:27:20.920 What we have is gigantic multinational corporations that long ago bought off the government.

02:27:27.320 So you have this huge government that's involved, but it's just working for these private interests.

02:27:32.140 Right.

02:27:32.160 It's just wrapping paper.

02:27:33.320 Exactly.

02:27:34.060 So like I think that's exactly the correct way to look at it.

02:27:38.880 But the belief is that we still have this thing of freedom and you still do kind of have democracy in some ways, right?

02:27:44.660 You could still run for an office.

02:27:45.880 You could still vote for someone.

02:27:47.520 But it's – it certainly feels – things feel more manufactured.

02:27:56.660 Yeah. 0.86

02:27:57.220 Yeah, like even like – that's why I think very – the uber wealthy, they don't care that much about the police and shit because they have their own security. 0.84

02:28:02.900 They have – they're not fucking worried about that.

02:28:04.920 Well, that's the crazy thing and it has really – it's been one of the things that I think turned Americans against Hollywood. 0.60

02:28:11.940 But there's something about like kind of the like elite progressive, you know, like – the people who lecture everybody else about guns and support gun control, but they have armed security.

02:28:29.300 Right.

02:28:29.380 The people who are offended that Donald Trump talks about building a wall, but they live in a gated community.

02:28:34.420 The people who –

02:28:35.320 Talk about climate change but then take private planes everywhere.

02:28:38.040 Dude, you could go endless, endless examples of this.

02:28:40.060 They talk about you if you're upset about what they're teaching in your local public school.

02:28:43.780 They say you're a bad person.

02:28:44.940 Meanwhile, their kids go to private school.

02:28:46.640 They don't have to deal with what's going on in the – you know what I mean?

02:28:49.100 It's like at every – they're totally insulated from the effects of the policies that they support.

02:28:55.640 And so, you know, anyway, to go back to the Doge thing, what I think – so I had dinner with Vivek like a couple months ago.

02:29:04.480 People say he's a neat man.

02:29:05.540 I never met him.

02:29:06.520 He's – I like him a lot.

02:29:08.000 He's a – I've gotten to know him pretty good over the last year.

02:29:11.000 Is he Bangladeshi or Indian guy?

02:29:12.800 He's Indian, but he's American.

02:29:14.300 He was born here.

02:29:15.020 Yeah, yeah.

02:29:15.520 But he's – first of all, he's brilliant.

02:29:18.440 He's very, very successful.

02:29:20.640 And I will say – you know, I won't like divulge too much stuff that we said in private, but he is really big on this Doge thing.

02:29:28.060 And he's like, listen, man, me and Elon got some tricks up our sleeves and we're going to get some – we're going to be very effective with this.

02:29:34.680 Essentially, what they're going to do is make policy recommendations.

02:29:38.480 And their recommendations already are going to be massive cuts in government spending, which is, I think, the absolute correct answer.

02:29:45.700 And so I'm at least excited to see that, like, that's being interjected into the public.

02:29:50.560 And him and Elon are both – I mean, these are brilliant guys.

02:29:53.460 So maybe they could really come up with something here.

02:29:55.260 I agree.

02:29:56.060 Well, it's just amazing how our country keeps going more and more in debt.

02:30:01.000 In the end, we're going to have a loan to some other country, and that country is just going to be like, now you belong to us, right?

02:30:07.100 Or the whole thing has to, like, crash, and then we're setting ourselves up for –

02:30:11.140 For failure.

02:30:11.640 And even just now, right?

02:30:14.180 Yeah, and I don't want to sound too gloom and doom, too.

02:30:16.140 Well, but even just now, it's like forgetting – like, the debt is a major problem, and we're going off, like, the fiscal cliff, and we're not going to be able to keep this up.

02:30:23.120 But even just right now, the reason we're racking up so much debt is because the government spends so much money every year.

02:30:28.940 And this is – that is the corruption.

02:30:31.120 It's not like a symptom of the corruption.

02:30:32.940 It's like you got an organization in Washington, D.C. that by force extracts $6 trillion of wealth away from the American people every year and then give it out to their connected friends.

02:30:44.380 It's like the most – 0.99

02:30:45.400 It's fucking – it's laundering. 1.00

02:30:48.440 Yeah, it's the most criminal shit in the world you could imagine. 1.00

02:30:51.560 The only reason why we don't think of it as criminal is because it's so big and successful. 1.00

02:30:55.880 But if anyone did it on a small level, you'd be like, oh, I know what that is.

02:30:58.960 That's a gang.

02:30:59.940 That's a crime. 0.99

02:31:00.900 Like, that's – and even – and like I said before, the other big thing is that in order to have such a big government, what you need is – because you can never tax people enough to pay for all this shit. 0.91

02:31:12.020 And they can't even borrow enough money to pay for all of it, so they have to just constantly be printing money.

02:31:16.940 And that sends us into living in an inflationary world where everything is constantly getting more expensive and the value of your dollar is constantly going down.

02:31:25.040 And again, this is – if you're rich, it's fine.

02:31:29.220 If you own stuff, you can kind of protect yourself from it because the value of your assets goes up too.

02:31:35.340 But for middle class and working class and people on a fixed income, this just destroys them, absolutely destroys them.

02:31:41.880 I mean, look, the price inflation over the last few years has just like – I don't even know.

02:31:46.960 The Federal Reserve keeps numbers on this stuff, but I don't know if they've done it over the recent wave of price inflation.

02:31:52.380 But how many marriages get destroyed by this? 0.99

02:31:55.880 People commit suicide over stuff like this.

02:31:58.220 They don't care.

02:31:58.860 And they don't think about that.

02:31:59.800 It's the same way they didn't think whenever they – they don't care.

02:32:04.400 They don't – it's the same way they didn't care that every AA room and meeting was going to shut down when they started COVID or whenever COVID started.

02:32:14.640 It's the same way that they didn't care about the pill epidemic that's taken hundreds of thousands, 600,000 lives.

02:32:23.580 And not to mention the ripple effect of those deaths that have broken the hearts of mothers and children and wives and husbands.

02:32:32.680 They don't care.

02:32:33.680 I just – that's what it feels like anymore. 0.99

02:32:35.900 It feels like they don't fucking care. 0.94

02:32:37.720 So what can I do now? 0.97

02:32:39.280 Well, it's also –

02:32:39.920 But then also, I also have to remember that throughout history, people have lived in this exact same space, feeling like their government did not care about them.

02:32:48.880 And worse.

02:32:49.800 I mean in much worse spaces.

02:32:50.880 And much worse.

02:32:51.200 You're right.

02:32:51.700 So that's why I think other countries are like, well, this is – hey, welcome.

02:32:54.620 Yeah.

02:32:54.940 You know, welcome to what it's really like, you know, to exist.

02:32:58.360 Yeah.

02:32:58.720 Okay.

02:32:59.080 Fine.

02:32:59.480 But like at the same time, that doesn't mean –

02:33:01.340 But we should have better.

02:33:02.340 Yes, that's right.

02:33:02.980 Look.

02:33:03.240 I mean so there's lessons to take from all of that stuff, right?

02:33:05.920 Like there are people – in the 20th century, we had two world wars, you know?

02:33:10.480 Like tens of millions of people just got caught up in this for no fault of their own at all.

02:33:16.060 And I'm not even talking about just like the standard textbook history.

02:33:19.640 Like there were people who just happened to be Germans.

02:33:22.600 You know what I mean?

02:33:23.460 They weren't – they didn't necessarily even support the Nazis or anything like that.

02:33:27.620 There were ethnic Germans.

02:33:29.400 Daryl Cooper just put out the prologue for his new World War II series and the first one is so good.

02:33:34.100 But all talking about like – and this is like a forgotten chapter of history.

02:33:37.880 But after World War II, ethnic Germans, not even living in Germany, weren't even living under the Third Reich just in Eastern Europe, just got totally – like slaughtered by the millions, raped and beaten and ethnically cleansed.

02:33:51.020 Like there were so – and this is obvious.

02:33:53.460 I only lead with that because it's like the one that people don't know as much about.

02:33:56.940 But like obviously there were Jews who just happened to live in Germany or in Eastern Europe.

02:34:00.940 There were Russians and Poles and just all types of people who just got destroyed. 0.99

02:34:05.620 So no, OK.

02:34:06.420 People have had it much worse.

02:34:07.940 But at the same time, I do think it's your point being – especially when you see like the corporate media and you see the way they freak out over January 6th, the way they freak out over whatever it would be.

02:34:23.600 And the latest thing Donald Trump says.

02:34:25.760 And then you sit there and you go, yeah, you know, 100,000 people die of overdoses in this country every year.

02:34:32.900 And by the way, calling them overdoses is not entirely accurate.

02:34:38.160 Poisoning is a good term. 1.00

02:34:39.200 Yeah, poisoning is more – I mean when you're talking about the fentanyl thing, I mean at least for me, when my whole life – when I thought of what the word overdose meant, what overdose meant to me was essentially like you become such a drug addict that you build up such a tolerance that you got to take so much drugs in order to get high that eventually you have to take so much that it kills you before you even get to like feel good.

02:35:05.220 But that's not the same thing as someone thinking they're taking a Percocet and it actually has fentanyl in it and then they just kill themselves.

02:35:12.440 That's not exactly an overdose, right?

02:35:14.420 No, it's a poisoning.

02:35:15.020 Yeah, you got poisoned.

02:35:16.020 And the company didn't even face any ramifications.

02:35:18.040 They're still allowed to come into America. 0.97

02:35:19.680 I know it.

02:35:19.980 And this isn't even something that comes up.

02:35:21.800 People care, but they can't do anything.

02:35:24.220 Right.

02:35:24.480 Well, what I just say is like – it's just like say like, OK, I understand that like some people broke some windows of the Capitol building on January 6th.

02:35:31.460 And I understand that AOC was real scared for 20 minutes or whatever.

02:35:34.720 OK, but like that – the amount of coverage and outrage that that gets compared to 100,000 of your fellow Americans being poisoned to death every year.

02:35:44.420 And it's not like it's a one-to-one.

02:35:46.000 It's a 100-to-zero.

02:35:47.920 Like this just doesn't even come up.

02:35:49.500 It's not even like a –

02:35:50.420 Until Hollywood is like, oh, we'll make a series about it.

02:35:53.340 Yeah.

02:35:53.620 So we'll make – now we'll make money off of it.

02:35:56.260 Well, I'll say this, dude, and this is like – I'm mildly embarrassed to admit this. 0.98

02:36:00.960 But as somebody who's like obsessed with this shit and talks about politics all the time, it wasn't until Bobby Kennedy ran for president and he goes – he goes, you know, America leads the world in chronic illness. 0.98

02:36:12.040 And I remember being like, is that right? 0.99

02:36:14.860 Do we lead the – like I didn't even know that we led the world in chronic illness.

02:36:19.220 And it's like just – it took Bobby Kennedy – why has no one else who's run for president ever brought this up?

02:36:23.740 How is this not a thing that we all talk about all the time?

02:36:26.360 Well, Bernie Sanders talks about a good bit of it a lot.

02:36:28.360 Well, he talks about – Bernie Sanders talks about the health insurance stuff.

02:36:31.980 He talks about the Medicare for all stuff.

02:36:33.680 But I never really heard anyone talking about what Bobby's talking about in terms of like why are we so sick?

02:36:39.200 Like forget whether you think we need universal health care or private health care or whatever, like whatever health insurance you're talking about.

02:36:44.700 I'm saying like why are we so sick as a people to begin with?

02:36:49.060 And that's more about like what we're eating, like what we're consuming.

02:36:54.540 I know.

02:36:54.840 But okay, then say if there's these forces and they see like, okay, we can poison them this much and we can make the money here and this.

02:37:00.520 But why – what do they get out of all of it?

02:37:03.760 Or do you think there's just such a level of wealth and control that after generation and generation, you just start to see it as a game almost?

02:37:10.960 Like that's the part I can't understand because I couldn't understand – like at a certain point, you start to do well and then you want to help other people, like whether it's like build a facility for drug people or whatever it is, right?

02:37:24.020 Like get clean water, like do something – like I can't understand getting to the part where you start to see people just as nothing more than some – than basically ghosts to launder your money through.

02:37:39.140 Well, I do think that when you get – well, obviously like –

02:37:42.400 It is control.

02:37:43.220 A lot of it must be control.

02:37:44.000 A lot of it's control.

02:37:45.280 So much of it is business.

02:37:46.940 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:37:47.460 Like so much of it is just like, oh, there are these companies that make tons of money off this shit. 0.98

02:37:51.560 But I do think that there's like a mentality that gets developed when you get to a certain level of power where like – the same thing like with – like if there's companies, like if there's a little mom and pop store, 0.98

02:38:04.300 they kind of know everyone in the area and they kind of care a little bit more, they're more connected to the community.

02:38:09.200 When you're talking about like a giant corporation, you're just kind of like a cog in a machine to them.

02:38:13.820 But when you get to like the top, top level of power – and I think they've been pretty explicit about this.

02:38:19.480 I mean Henry Kissinger pretty much like admitted this in his own words, that people are pawns on a chessboard.

02:38:25.140 That's the way they look at it.

02:38:26.640 It's not – they don't believe that they are – like they're almost above what me and you would consider morality.

02:38:33.260 You know what I mean?

02:38:34.240 It's like they're at this super high level where it's like, listen, we're moving these pawns over here so that the Soviet Union collapses. 0.98

02:38:43.100 And oh, yeah, it sure does suck if you happen to be a Vietnamese person. 1.00

02:38:46.920 But we're at war with the Soviet Union and so you're just pawns on a chessboard. 0.90

02:38:50.780 And that's what they're doing with Ukraine right now.

02:38:53.120 What they're doing with Ukraine right now is just using them as cannon fodder to hurt Russia. 0.92

02:38:59.440 And they pose as the ones who care about Ukrainians so much.

02:39:02.480 But really they just led them down, as John Mearsheimer said, the primrose path. 1.00

02:39:07.060 They went, go ahead, fight this big bully who could totally fuck you up. 1.00

02:39:10.660 Go ahead. 1.00

02:39:11.320 Fight him. 0.93

02:39:11.860 We got your back.

02:39:13.620 To Ukraine?

02:39:14.380 Yeah, to Ukraine.

02:39:15.000 And by we got your back, not like the military is going to come in and actually like back you up.

02:39:18.940 But we'll just give you weapons so you can keep going out there and dying.

02:39:21.860 But it will hurt the Russians also. 0.69

02:39:23.760 And that's the goal.

02:39:25.700 And you're like – it's a real sickness if you start looking at human beings that way.

02:39:29.600 Yeah, what did Kissinger say?

02:39:30.860 Bring that back up. 1.00

02:39:32.320 He said, military men are just dumb. 1.00

02:39:34.880 Stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. 1.00

02:39:37.680 Is that real? 1.00

02:39:38.340 Oh, jeez.

02:39:40.120 I knew he had some quotes about that, but that one even surprised me.

02:39:43.080 I was like, oh, jeez.

02:39:43.820 Where was he from, Kissinger?

02:39:46.560 Where was he originally from?

02:39:48.340 Eastern Europe?

02:39:50.320 That's a good question.

02:39:51.280 Henry Kissinger.

02:39:52.660 Bring him up.

02:39:53.080 Get to there.

02:39:53.740 He was, of course, the Secretary of State under Richard Nixon.

02:39:56.980 Scroll up.

02:39:57.620 Born in Germany.

02:40:00.680 OK.

02:40:01.120 Born in Germany.

02:40:02.880 A Jewish refugee fleeing Nazi persecution.

02:40:06.360 Maybe that's what made him believe that, huh?

02:40:08.300 That probably was what led to his belief, huh?

02:40:09.940 Well, I mean, I'm sure that had a profound influence on who he was.

02:40:14.800 Man, it's heartbreaking.

02:40:17.160 Attended Harvard University.

02:40:18.220 Very smart guy.

02:40:19.720 Yeah.

02:40:20.020 Oh, he was a genius.

02:40:21.160 Super, super genius.

02:40:22.020 But look, I mean, I think a lot of that, even, you know, when you talk about the Nazi connection

02:40:26.780 for his views, but a lot of that, a lot of that is true with the Israel stuff, too, that

02:40:30.180 it's like, you know, a lot of this, it's like people who, like, went through a lot of 0.87

02:40:35.060 the shit that they went through got it in their minds that, like, you do whatever you have 0.95

02:40:39.120 to do to make sure you're the one in power. 1.00

02:40:41.120 To survive.

02:40:42.040 Oh, I get it.

02:40:42.860 Look, that's what I'm saying.

02:40:43.560 The sand remembered, you know, or the, it all, there's, you can't, it's all remembered.

02:40:50.960 The big brain of time, it holds it all, you know, whatever it is, the soul of time, it

02:40:57.440 holds it all.

02:40:58.240 Yeah.

02:40:58.660 And it's, it's interesting.

02:41:01.420 It's fascinating.

02:41:02.240 It's painful.

02:41:02.860 It's, it's life, you know, it's death.

02:41:04.960 It's all of it.

02:41:05.540 It's like, I think it's just like, I don't know. 0.90

02:41:08.040 Some of it makes you fucking sad, you know?

02:41:09.920 And some of it, like, yeah, maybe it's easy for me to just sit here and say things from 0.94

02:41:16.060 my home that has heat in it, you know?

02:41:18.660 I don't know.

02:41:19.560 I don't.

02:41:19.960 But that's life, right?

02:41:20.920 Is that there's like, life is that there's like constantly tragedy all around us, but

02:41:25.540 then there's beauty all around us also.

02:41:27.740 Yeah.

02:41:27.920 And then if you can kind of like reconcile yourself with the tragedy and accept that, you

02:41:33.180 can really enjoy the beauty in, in life.

02:41:35.780 Yeah.

02:41:36.080 That's, you know, that's the best we could try to do.

02:41:38.860 Um, but yes, you're right.

02:41:40.120 We speak from a position as the lefties would say, from a position of privilege and we're

02:41:45.020 able to, but at the same point, like my thing is kind of like, if you are in that position

02:41:49.680 and we're fortunate enough to like be in a heated studio and in a comfortable environment

02:41:55.060 or whatever, then like, okay.

02:41:57.120 So then we should try our best to kind of rise up above, like what I was saying before,

02:42:03.640 we're like, Hey, if you're an Israeli Jew and one of your family members were killed

02:42:07.200 on October 7th, of course, you're going to be like, go get those guys.

02:42:10.160 And if you're a Palestinian who saw one of your kids get killed by an IDF, you know,

02:42:13.880 mission, of course, you're going to be like, let's go get those guys.

02:42:16.240 But from our position of not being in either of those positions, we should at least be able

02:42:20.820 to go like, okay, let's try to calm things down.

02:42:24.260 Let's try to like push for peace.

02:42:25.760 Let's try to go.

02:42:26.360 Like, we understand how both of you could feel that way, but understand where the other

02:42:30.140 one feels the same way you do.

02:42:31.480 So like, at least sometimes there's an advantage to be like on a perch in a little bit of a

02:42:36.440 better situation where you can kind of see things and go, okay, let me at least call

02:42:40.120 balls and strikes on this and not just kind of flame more conflict, which is what people

02:42:45.180 on the ground are doing.

02:42:46.380 Yeah.

02:42:47.900 Yeah.

02:42:48.260 I think I've always just like, I don't know.

02:42:49.860 I think I just, if I feel like something's the underdog, then I'll err.

02:42:52.940 I'd rather err on that side for me.

02:42:55.300 It's like somebody said, Oh, you got mad.

02:42:57.000 Somebody get mad. 1.00

02:42:57.860 You fucked up. 1.00

02:42:58.380 You've, you chose the underdog. 1.00

02:43:00.060 Like, all right, my bad.

02:43:02.000 You know, I just, that's like, I just think that's how I feel.

02:43:07.000 How do we know?

02:43:08.020 Like, Dave, tell me this.

02:43:09.460 Is there any country where if you live in the country, you have to, um, you have to like,

02:43:17.420 like commit to that country?

02:43:21.680 Well, in what sense?

02:43:22.680 Like, what do you mean?

02:43:23.580 America just starts to seem like this place where everybody can just commit for their other

02:43:26.960 country if they want to.

02:43:27.980 Yeah.

02:43:28.540 Well, I think that's one of the things that is been a big catalyst for Donald Trump rising,

02:43:34.480 the whole America first thing, like this idea that, Hey, like we should be for our country.

02:43:39.320 I think that there was particularly after world war two, which is really when you had the rise

02:43:46.200 of like the, the current world order.

02:43:49.300 I mean, obviously the Soviet unions were part of it and then they fell, but the, the kind of

02:43:53.480 American dominance started really after world war two.

02:43:56.200 I mean, we won and we dropped the nukes.

02:43:58.120 And the situation was that all of the industrialized world had been destroyed except for us.

02:44:04.220 And the, the war touched everyone, basically every power except us.

02:44:08.140 And we lost some men there, but we still came out like with the homeland.

02:44:11.300 We had a big headstart.

02:44:12.600 Yes.

02:44:13.180 Well, that's right.

02:44:13.660 We got in late and we developed the nukes.

02:44:15.900 And so just, and we used nukes.

02:44:18.080 And so it was like, Oh, they have this new weapon that nobody else has.

02:44:20.620 And so after that, the, the, which was sick by the way, too.

02:44:24.980 Horrific.

02:44:25.840 Oh, just like, I mean, totally inexcusable and disgusting.

02:44:29.540 And which almost makes you wonder, do we have our, just our judgment day coming, you

02:44:32.260 know?

02:44:32.820 Well, I, or us, we didn't do it.

02:44:34.880 Well, you would hope, you would hope that the universe can pick out who was involved

02:44:38.820 at least to some degree and who wasn't.

02:44:40.360 But in some ways, you know, there's this great old, uh, John Quincy Adams quote, which

02:44:45.920 I'll probably butcher, but maybe you'll pull up.

02:44:47.460 So I get, but it's like, uh, it was something like, if we go around the world looking for

02:44:51.020 monsters to destroy, we will become the dicatress of the world, but we will lose our own soul. 0.88

02:44:56.180 And that was, which is pretty profound that he said this back in the early 1800s.

02:45:01.460 I believe the dicatress mean like dictator, like the female version of, of dictator. 0.99

02:45:05.880 So like we'll rule, we'll rule the world, but you'll lose your own soul.

02:45:10.360 Or something like that.

02:45:11.400 I might be butchering this quote, but that's essentially the, the gist of it.

02:45:15.100 The point was that you're like, oh, you go dominate the world, but you lose your own

02:45:18.920 soul.

02:45:19.320 Like you lose, you know, you're, you kind of, you take over everything else, but you lose

02:45:22.800 the essence of who you are.

02:45:24.300 Well, it's the same thing as like being like, I think like, um, somebody like Jim Carrey or

02:45:29.000 some type of a celebrity, you put so much of you out there that you are all over, but you

02:45:34.120 don't know who you are anymore.

02:45:35.100 Right.

02:45:35.560 And there's, there's a weird, like, you know, call, like there's a weird equation to

02:45:40.340 that.

02:45:40.560 But after world war two, America kind of took on the mantle of being like, okay, well,

02:45:45.680 we're going to rebuild Europe.

02:45:47.620 And there were arguments for why we should, but we're going to, we're going to be the

02:45:52.200 defense of Europe.

02:45:53.100 We formed NATO so that we could protect Western Europe because they weren't in a position

02:45:57.060 to do it for themselves.

02:45:58.040 And it just, it's almost like we became then the country that was always in the business

02:46:03.200 of welfare for other countries.

02:46:05.380 And I think what happened with Donald Trump, where a lot of people were, is that after,

02:46:09.920 particularly after the years of the terror wars that were such disasters, is that people 0.82

02:46:14.000 started to kind of reassess that and be like, well, look, we're not in a situation right

02:46:18.620 now where Europe is destroyed.

02:46:20.600 And you know what I mean?

02:46:22.100 Like, we're the, like the only ones unscathed by this war.

02:46:25.060 Europe is rich.

02:46:26.520 They're fine.

02:46:27.660 A lot of these other countries are like in, they're stable and we're $36 trillion in debt.

02:46:34.620 Our, our dollar is getting weaker.

02:46:36.700 Our culture is like totally pitted against each other.

02:46:39.820 Things feel like they're kind of falling apart here.

02:46:42.060 And so it's just, it's a different proposition to go like, Hey, you know, my family is taken

02:46:48.980 care of and doing really good.

02:46:50.260 And I'm going to help out this other family who's like friends of ours.

02:46:53.200 That's a totally different proposition than like when my family's falling apart and are

02:46:57.900 broke and hungry, helping out somebody else.

02:47:00.060 Like that's like, that's just a different thing.

02:47:02.000 And so I do think like there should, it's, it's healthy and normal and natural that there

02:47:07.680 should be a movement in America that's concerned with America.

02:47:10.980 Oh yeah.

02:47:11.520 Well, you have people too, who's, who lost their grandfathers, who lost their siblings,

02:47:15.640 who lost their great grandfathers to helping liberate other groups and helping around the

02:47:22.380 world, helping be those military presence around the world, you know, and who served.

02:47:26.800 And they thought that that meant something, you know, that there was some value that it

02:47:30.600 meant something that the American flag hasn't, hadn't just been pitted by hadn't just been

02:47:37.260 divided as if it was a conservative emblem. 0.95

02:47:39.280 That's crazy to think that somebody got fucking half of America to think that the American 0.99

02:47:44.760 flag stands for like rednecks or something. 0.99

02:47:47.400 Yeah. 1.00

02:47:47.780 Think about that shit. 1.00

02:47:49.020 People don't want to think about that. 1.00

02:47:50.460 People don't want to think that, oh, that's true.

02:47:53.240 There's a little part of me that caught that, took that bait.

02:47:56.640 You know what I'm saying?

02:47:57.260 And wondering who's, who has put the bait in front of you and then see the hook, man. 1.00

02:48:01.960 There's a fucking hook. 1.00

02:48:03.400 Yeah. 1.00

02:48:03.580 Well, like if loving America is right wing and free speech is right wing and working

02:48:09.560 out is right wing.

02:48:11.000 So shouldn't we all be right wing then?

02:48:12.680 Like, what are we even talking about now?

02:48:14.460 And then I think that that's all changed.

02:48:16.600 It's like you have Democrats that are Republicans now.

02:48:18.620 You have people that don't know.

02:48:19.560 You have a ton of people that want to be libertarians that don't know what it is.

02:48:23.240 And so that's one of the reasons why I think we wanted to learn from you what it is.

02:48:27.700 What is a libertarian idea of health care look like?

02:48:30.520 What does that look like?

02:48:31.600 Well, look, I mean, the libertarian idea with all of this stuff is to like actually get the

02:48:35.980 government out of the way and let there be a real market.

02:48:38.740 I mean, so much of the problem in health care in general is that it's just, it's not a real

02:48:43.260 market like any other market.

02:48:45.340 The prices, good luck even finding out what the prices are.

02:48:50.240 It's the only business you could walk into where no one in the room knows what the price

02:48:54.220 is.

02:48:54.500 And it's not, and because like, you know, I remember there was one time that my, it was

02:49:01.300 like years ago.

02:49:02.060 It was, I think before we got married, but my wife was like, she had a month where she

02:49:06.340 had a lapse in her insurance.

02:49:08.000 And so she had like one month without insurance before she got on mine or something.

02:49:12.360 And then, and she had blood work done the month that she didn't have insurance.

02:49:16.560 So we get some bill, you know, blood work or whatever.

02:49:19.340 Oh, like, okay.

02:49:20.360 Yeah.

02:49:20.520 Like taking her blood.

02:49:21.760 And so we get a bill for like 1400 bucks and my wife calls them and she's like, oh yeah,

02:49:27.540 I think what happened was she, she went to the doctor when she still had the insurance,

02:49:31.100 but then they sent it to the lab after her insurance expired before the new one kicked

02:49:35.780 in.

02:49:36.060 So she's stuck with this bill or whatever.

02:49:38.000 And the, and she goes, she goes, oh, so this like fell like in my lap.

02:49:41.820 So like, I don't have insurance.

02:49:43.060 And they go, oh, you're uninsured.

02:49:44.560 And she was like, yeah.

02:49:45.380 And they go, oh, we'll knock 70% off.

02:49:47.280 Wow.

02:49:47.940 Just like that.

02:49:48.640 Now party.

02:49:49.640 I remember in the moment being kind of like, or this is many years ago when I was, uh,

02:49:53.580 I'm doing better now than I was then.

02:49:54.840 But at the time I was like, oh, sweet.

02:49:56.540 We just knocked 70% off.

02:49:57.700 But then as soon as I'm like, sweet, I'm like, wait a minute.

02:50:00.220 That's all.

02:50:00.840 The prices are inflated by 70% for everybody else who has, uh, um, who has insurance.

02:50:07.520 It's like this constant.

02:50:08.420 And it's all because of these crazy over-regulation over government involvement.

02:50:13.180 It's just literally things work better when you have a free market and there's real competition.

02:50:18.760 So that's the libertarian, uh, answer to almost everything is like deregulate it.

02:50:23.980 Let there be real competition.

02:50:25.320 Let it be privatized.

02:50:26.920 But if these private companies fail, let them go out of business.

02:50:30.140 Don't come in and bail them out.

02:50:31.540 Let them actually have to compete for who can provide a better service to their customers.

02:50:36.840 That's when we get good things.

02:50:39.100 Yeah.

02:50:39.600 There's a, another part in that book where, um, Marty Macari, that doctor who's just,

02:50:44.100 who got, um, is going to be appointed by Trump.

02:50:47.060 He, um, he talked about how, yeah, there was a guy whose father had like a stroke and they

02:50:53.340 kept him in the hospital and they could do a procedure.

02:50:56.220 And they're like, it's like $150,000. 1.00

02:50:58.920 And the guy's like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:50:59.900 We can't do that. 0.99

02:51:00.560 And they just, um, they kept kind of like holding them off.

02:51:04.360 And eventually they're like, yeah, it's $15,000.

02:51:06.740 Just like, just like every couple of days that they would just call him back.

02:51:12.760 Like, we'll do it now.

02:51:13.500 We'll do it now.

02:51:13.960 And he, he, he was visiting America from another country and he decided just to go back to

02:51:17.740 his own country and have it done there.

02:51:18.940 But he was just shocked at how just the price went down because they were going to possibly

02:51:23.420 lose the patient.

02:51:24.260 Right.

02:51:24.440 Which is the way that businesses should be the potential that you could lose the customer.

02:51:29.180 Um, what about the federal reserve?

02:51:31.060 What is it? 0.99

02:51:32.440 And is it fucking us? 1.00

02:51:34.280 Oh yeah, totally. 1.00

02:51:35.440 Oh, it's the worst thing.

02:51:36.900 I've heard about this.

02:51:37.540 Ben Askren.

02:51:38.180 It's the worst thing about our government is, uh, is the federal reserve.

02:51:41.520 If I make money and I pay taxes on it.

02:51:43.580 Right.

02:51:44.160 And then if I use that money to pay somebody for something, they have to pay taxes on it.

02:51:49.880 If I die, I get taxed like 30, 40% on the money that I'd already paid taxes on.

02:51:56.480 Oh yeah.

02:51:56.880 And then you like, I mean, it's insane.

02:51:58.980 And then when you, if you think about how much money is actually taxed, I mean, like,

02:52:02.760 it's not just like that you pay taxes on, but then if you go and buy something from someone

02:52:07.640 else, then they got to pay taxes on the money that you already paid taxes on.

02:52:11.260 It's just, it's nutty.

02:52:12.660 Um, but the federal reserve is the central bank.

02:52:15.520 That's, uh, so the, it's, it's all kind of confusing because they call it like the federal

02:52:20.900 reserve.

02:52:21.320 And so you kind of get this impression that it like, well, it's part of the federal government

02:52:25.460 where they keep reserves of some money or something like that, but that's not what it

02:52:29.120 is at all.

02:52:29.620 It's technically not even a part of the government.

02:52:32.140 It is, it's the worst of the government and, and the worst of not the government.

02:52:37.100 Right.

02:52:37.400 So it was created by an act of Congress in 1913.

02:52:40.320 Okay.

02:52:40.600 It's the, the, uh, treasure, the head of the federal reserve is appointed by the president.

02:52:45.360 So it's in that sense, very much a part of the government.

02:52:48.460 However, it gets to maintain its status as a private independent company.

02:52:52.720 They print the money and then lend it to us.

02:52:56.360 So they charge us for using dollars at all.

02:53:00.480 They make money off the fact that we use our own currency, that they're just given the right

02:53:05.960 to print out of thin air.

02:53:07.260 So they're a bank fact in effect print out of thin air.

02:53:10.200 I mean, most of it's done on computers these days, but so what they do is they, it was created

02:53:14.860 by a bunch of powerful bankers.

02:53:16.920 There's a great book on this called the creature from Jekyll Island.

02:53:19.640 Um, that really goes through the whole history of it, but let's order that book, that creature

02:53:23.380 from Jekyll Island.

02:53:24.240 Oh, it's a good one.

02:53:25.520 Uh, by, uh, um, G Edward Griffin.

02:53:29.720 Uh, the, uh, we'll have to order it right now, but let's go back to that.

02:53:32.800 Yes.

02:53:33.140 It's a great book.

02:53:33.960 I highly recommend everyone reads also Ron Paul and the fed is another great book on

02:53:38.060 the federal reserve also.

02:53:39.040 But so they are, so essentially they print the money and then lend it out.

02:53:44.440 Now they lend it out to what are called their member banks, meaning all the big banks.

02:53:50.280 So JP Morgan, Chase, Schwab, Bank of America, all these guys.

02:53:54.060 Wells Fargo.

02:53:54.480 Yes.

02:53:54.780 So they lend it out to them and then those banks lend money to the rest of us at a much

02:54:01.440 higher interest rate than they got it for.

02:54:03.240 So all of the banks now are in the business essentially of getting free money.

02:54:06.840 They just get the money at low interest and lend it out to us at higher interest.

02:54:10.400 So they all get rich off of this.

02:54:12.240 It allows the government to spend as much money as they want to, because they can print as

02:54:15.660 much money as they want to while it destroys the currency of the rest of us.

02:54:19.580 And the worst thing about the federal reserve from, from my perspective is that it lets the

02:54:24.180 government get away with just really evil things that they would never be able to get

02:54:28.740 away with if they couldn't print all the money to, so, you know, you could do lockdowns

02:54:33.820 and then just hand out checks because you can print the money.

02:54:37.680 But if you couldn't hand out the checks, you probably wouldn't be able to get away with

02:54:40.260 lockdowns.

02:54:40.800 You could fight a war in Afghanistan for 20 years.

02:54:43.440 Now, if you had to tax people for that war, if you had to say, okay, listen, we want to

02:54:46.960 fight a war in Afghanistan.

02:54:48.200 So every quarter we're going to come to you for another, you know, 10% of your income,

02:54:53.040 there'd be massive pressure from people to end the war.

02:54:55.760 Right.

02:54:55.900 Since they just print the money, they're able to keep it going for, for 20 years.

02:54:59.600 And it also does a lot to like distort markets and just mess everything up because they pump

02:55:04.200 money into markets where there's no real demand for there to be growth there.

02:55:07.660 It's a, it's a huge scheme.

02:55:10.240 It's privately owned.

02:55:11.840 We don't even have real information on it.

02:55:13.740 There's never been a full audit of the federal reserve.

02:55:16.100 There was Ron Paul was the only one in Congress who was really pushing for an audit.

02:55:20.500 I think Thomas Massey also was, but never got it done.

02:55:24.900 The federal government sets the salaries of the board's seven members, seven of the

02:55:29.520 board, seven governors, and it receives all the system's annual profits after dividends

02:55:33.320 on member banks, capital investments are paid.

02:55:36.160 The federal reserve earned a net income of a hundred point 2 billion in 2015 and transferred

02:55:41.840 97.7 billion to the U S treasury.

02:55:44.840 So they make some money in there.

02:55:46.440 They made $5 billion.

02:55:47.820 Yeah.

02:55:48.340 But there's, but the thing is that their books have never been opened and audited.

02:55:51.680 So we don't really know exactly what's going on.

02:55:54.300 Are we banked?

02:55:54.900 Are we based on gold or not?

02:55:56.560 No, we haven't been on gold for many years.

02:55:59.180 We have, it was a 1973 or 71.

02:56:02.420 Was it Nixon suspended the gold standard and we've never been back on it since then.

02:56:06.520 71.

02:56:07.120 Sorry.

02:56:07.460 I should have had that one.

02:56:08.580 Why did they suspend the gold standard?

02:56:10.360 Well, so basically, let me say the gold standard was a monetary system that linked a country's

02:56:14.640 currency to a set amount of gold.

02:56:16.200 So, so our currency was actually backed by an actual.

02:56:20.140 Yes.

02:56:20.640 The, the idea was that you could, for every dollar you printed, you

02:56:24.240 had to put away a certain amount of gold.

02:56:26.260 So, okay.

02:56:27.080 So what I was talking about before, after world war two, Europe is destroyed.

02:56:31.120 America is still left stable.

02:56:32.660 This is when America, uh, they created what was known as the Bretton wood agreement.

02:56:36.660 So essentially America was like the dominant power in the world.

02:56:41.180 We had the huge portion of the world's gold at this point.

02:56:45.500 And so the deal that we came up with was essentially that other, uh, other countries would peg their

02:56:51.880 currency to the dollar and we would peg the dollar to gold.

02:56:55.600 So you were kind of on a dollar stand.

02:56:57.840 You were kind of on a gold standard.

02:56:59.240 If you went on a dollar standard.

02:57:00.940 Got it.

02:57:01.200 And we set the price at $35 an ounce.

02:57:03.880 So for every $35 we printed, we had to put away an ounce of gold.

02:57:08.680 Okay.

02:57:09.080 So this is Fort Knox.

02:57:10.720 Yeah.

02:57:11.080 I think that's where it was supposed to be.

02:57:12.440 Yeah.

02:57:12.780 Also has not been audited.

02:57:14.460 Um, but I think that's where it was empty.

02:57:16.640 I'm sure.

02:57:17.240 Yeah.

02:57:17.440 Who that it's, I think long gone, but so, okay.

02:57:19.980 So then you have, um, so this starts in the, uh, what year, late forties, I'm saying Bretton

02:57:25.340 Woods started, I want to say 47.

02:57:26.960 Yeah.

02:57:27.060 The gold standard was largely abandoned during the great depression before being reinstated

02:57:30.600 in a limited form.

02:57:31.640 It had, so we had gotten off of it and then gotten back onto it.

02:57:34.760 But so what happened is when we're, we're on the Bretton Woods standard, we go onto it

02:57:38.820 in the late forties.

02:57:39.820 So through the fifties and into the sixties.

02:57:42.800 Okay.

02:57:43.340 And that's, it was before the war ended.

02:57:45.880 Is that right?

02:57:46.540 Okay.

02:57:46.780 And that standard was that for every ounce of gold, we had so much money.

02:57:50.860 That's $35.

02:57:51.940 Yes.

02:57:52.300 And then other countries had penned their, um, or using the currency to the dollar.

02:57:56.840 And so they're holding dollars, right?

02:57:58.780 But the dollars are redeemable in gold.

02:58:01.220 Like that's the idea that you could trade them in for gold anytime you want.

02:58:04.260 It was all real.

02:58:04.860 There was a checks and balances system.

02:58:06.340 Right.

02:58:06.760 Except that they, we started cheating and we started cheating really blatantly.

02:58:11.900 And so in the 1960s, uh, if you could think about it, right, America is doing,

02:58:16.780 a lot in the 1960s, we have the great society.

02:58:20.880 We created a Medicare and Medicaid.

02:58:24.160 We put a man on the moon.

02:58:25.860 We fought the war in Vietnam.

02:58:27.720 America is just spending a ton of money.

02:58:29.700 And so what happened is that a lot of people were holding dollars, right?

02:58:34.920 And they're holding dollars that they're promised are good, are convertible to gold.

02:58:39.060 And I believe it was mostly led by France, but I think England was involved in this too,

02:58:43.600 but they essentially called America's bluff and they went, um, you know, you guys are

02:58:48.420 spending a whole lot of money.

02:58:49.920 I'm thinking we'll take our gold.

02:58:52.120 Like we got all these dollars.

02:58:53.620 We'd like to convert them into gold.

02:58:55.120 So they called America's bluff and Richard Nixon was like, nah.

02:59:00.020 And so the way, the way he spun it, it was just a giant default.

02:59:05.320 Slick Rick.

02:59:05.920 It was just a huge default to the world.

02:59:07.860 Like we're just not, no, but the way he spun it, which is actually pretty laughable.

02:59:12.860 If you, it was, he was like, you know, the French are trying to destabilize the dollar 1.00

02:59:18.960 and we will not let this attack stand.

02:59:21.140 So I have to temporarily, those are his words, temporarily suspend the convertibility from

02:59:27.420 dollars into gold. 1.00

02:59:28.680 So he basically told them, go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:59:31.500 You know, we don't have gold, but we do have a much bigger military than you. 1.00

02:59:35.000 So you will take this, you know?

02:59:36.800 And then, you know, throughout the years, I mean, America just came to continue to dominate

02:59:41.640 the world.

02:59:42.140 So there was no real option for France to do nothing.

02:59:44.720 But ever since then, we have not been on a gold standard or any standard whatsoever.

02:59:50.200 They can print as much money as they want to with no limit.

02:59:53.120 It says the Nixon shock was the effect of a series of economic measures, including wage

02:59:56.560 and price freezes, surcharges on imports, and the unilateral cancellation of the direct

03:00:01.100 international convertibility of the United States dollar of gold.

03:00:04.660 Although Nixon's actions did not formally abolish the existing Bretton Woods system of international

03:00:08.740 financial exchange, the suspension of one of its key components effectively rendered the

03:00:12.720 Bretton Woods system inoperative.

03:00:14.220 Wow.

03:00:14.680 And what happened to all the gold in Fort Knox then?

03:00:17.880 Your guess is as good as mine.

03:00:19.460 Can we look that up?

03:00:20.040 What happened to all the gold after the Bretton Woods system?

03:00:25.220 I don't know.

03:00:25.780 I mean, I think they would say they still have it.

03:00:27.780 But again, it's like much like the Federal Reserve.

03:00:29.960 I believe I don't think Fort Knox has been audited in all of this time. 0.99

03:00:33.840 So I don't think we really know, you know, we got to get in that bitch. 1.00

03:00:37.440 I'm going to ask Trump if I get to see him. 0.97

03:00:39.640 Vance would give us an honest answer, I think.

03:00:41.840 Are you going to the inauguration?

03:00:43.360 I think I'm going to go because, well, first of all, I got excited to go.

03:00:46.600 I got invited to go.

03:00:48.240 And then I never will get to go again.

03:00:51.360 Are you going?

03:00:52.100 Yeah.

03:00:52.720 Just because I got invited.

03:00:53.940 And it's just kind of like, how could you not go?

03:00:56.700 I mean, it's just it's like it's American history.

03:00:58.980 And it's also this was such a big election, too.

03:01:01.140 It feels like such a seismic shift.

03:01:02.900 And I got invited.

03:01:04.180 And I'm just like, come on.

03:01:05.400 I mean, I don't know.

03:01:06.180 I can't.

03:01:07.560 I'm too much of a history nerd to not be like.

03:01:10.240 Yeah, you have to go.

03:01:11.020 And I love that you always seem to have like this open ended like you're not really you're not attached.

03:01:18.000 You don't it feels you don't really attach yourself to you don't get overly attached.

03:01:24.480 Well, I try to be I try to be attached to principles, you know, and not be attached to politicians.

03:01:30.980 So, you know, it's like I supported Trump in this last election just because I thought Kamala Harris was I thought she was such an insult to all of us. 0.68

03:01:38.240 You know, like it was like, come on, you can't actually do this.

03:01:40.780 And to not have a primary and then just hand select her. 1.00

03:01:44.300 And then all the all the lying about Biden, all the going around with the lying about Biden was crazy.

03:01:49.100 I just couldn't stand that.

03:01:50.160 So I supported Trump. 1.00

03:01:50.820 But as soon as Trump starts doing something I think is wrong, I'll be the first one to be like, yeah, dude, this is he's fucking. 0.99

03:01:56.040 Oh, yeah. 0.99

03:01:56.540 I just I think that's the way everyone should be.

03:01:58.320 I think people are way, way, way.

03:02:00.080 I hate I'm also glad for that that election season's over.

03:02:02.840 I hate when people get so like dug in.

03:02:05.620 Me too.

03:02:06.040 You're not even really being a person.

03:02:07.500 You're not even really having a conversation anymore.

03:02:09.680 You're kind of getting into this.

03:02:11.140 Like once you pick a side and you're like, I've decided my side is the good side.

03:02:15.160 They're the evil side.

03:02:16.380 Now you're in a like ends justify the means.

03:02:19.180 Now you're trying to make the world fit that.

03:02:21.380 Yeah.

03:02:21.640 And it's also just a thing where it's like you would see this all the time, especially during the election.

03:02:27.320 I mean, I remember being on a couple of these shows that I do where I think I said to Pierce Morgan at one point, like I was just like I was like, maybe everyone will be willing to have a conversation in a couple of weeks once this election's over.

03:02:37.880 But right now everyone's just in their dumb like because you're you get to a point where you're like, I got to just win.

03:02:43.300 My side has to win. 0.97

03:02:44.400 And it doesn't matter about like telling the truth.

03:02:46.420 It doesn't matter about actually grappling with what the other person said.

03:02:49.500 So I try my best to stay away from that.

03:02:52.920 I think it's not good for you.

03:02:54.540 Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's really how I am.

03:02:56.800 I'm not like I'm not the I was never the biggest Republican or the biggest Democrat.

03:03:00.700 I feel like I was always I mean, I guess I voted Democrat, had voted Democrat most of my life, you know, but I want there to be more parties than there are.

03:03:10.020 You know, I want I just want things to be real or I just want to know what's really going on.

03:03:16.080 I just don't like being like taken advantage of.

03:03:19.060 That's the thing I don't like.

03:03:20.440 And so, yeah, I think that's my biggest curiosity, you know, usually is is trying to think trying to get things to be fair.

03:03:26.880 Um, and yeah, just have a voice if I'm right or wrong.

03:03:31.220 You know, I tried, you know, I tried to speak up for what I felt like was it seemed like try to be the best, you know, or whatever I thought was the best.

03:03:38.100 But then sometimes you're also so deceived.

03:03:39.760 You don't know.

03:03:40.700 And that's one thing that's kind of fascinating about life.

03:03:42.920 And that's one thing that I think does get me up these days. 0.96

03:03:45.580 It's like what a tricky fucking little Game of Thrones we're in. 0.98

03:03:50.800 Right. 0.98

03:03:51.160 And everybody should feel that way.

03:03:52.920 And you get up and you see where are they tricking you?

03:03:55.120 Who's tricking me? 0.99

03:03:55.840 Who's fucking me? 1.00

03:03:56.560 Who am I fucking? 1.00

03:03:57.660 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

03:03:58.480 And it's crazy.

03:03:59.160 And it's one of these weird things.

03:04:00.880 Right.

03:04:01.160 Because it's like someone, you know, it's like someone online who you don't even know.

03:04:04.900 You could see a video and someone's saying something really compelling and you're like, oh, that's interesting. 0.54

03:04:08.360 And then you're like, oh, yeah, but people are liars.

03:04:10.860 Yeah.

03:04:11.100 So like this guy might be lying to me or the guy he's talking to about might be lying to me.

03:04:17.000 And, you know, there are things like this.

03:04:18.540 All it's like, you know, there's, you know, part of the thing when the people on CNN or whatever, they'll be like, there's misinformation on the Internet.

03:04:24.640 Like they are right.

03:04:25.800 There isn't misinformation on the Internet.

03:04:27.480 Did you see the thing with the Hollywood sign on fire?

03:04:31.460 Was burning?

03:04:31.960 It was going super viral.

03:04:33.060 Like everyone thought, oh, the Hollywood sign.

03:04:34.500 Now it's just a doctored, you know, AI image or whatever.

03:04:37.420 Yeah.

03:04:37.580 I heard it burned up.

03:04:38.420 There are people who will lie to you.

03:04:40.160 But then at the same time, the person on CNN who's like, oh, all these guys are lying to you.

03:04:44.300 You're like, yeah, but you're lying to me, too, man.

03:04:46.640 So that's the weird thing navigating this world. 1.00

03:04:49.120 There's just like all this information and so much of it's bullshit. 1.00

03:04:52.700 That's a dirty fucking Halloween. 1.00

03:04:54.960 And your life is at stake. 1.00

03:04:56.740 And that's what does. 0.98

03:04:57.900 That's what fucking put something on the line, you know? 0.98

03:05:00.480 Yeah. 0.97

03:05:00.720 And that is something that's kind of inspiring, man.

03:05:03.560 Yeah.

03:05:03.920 And yeah.

03:05:04.540 And if you don't speak up and you don't try to say like, yeah, it's just like that's what you got to do, man. 1.00

03:05:10.640 Use your fucking voice. 1.00

03:05:12.180 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

03:05:13.380 Use your voice.

03:05:15.840 Is there anything that you would like to talk about, Dave?

03:05:18.880 You have a tour coming up or anything like that?

03:05:20.580 Oh, I'll be on.

03:05:21.620 I'm on the road like all year.

03:05:23.780 So comicdavesmith.com.

03:05:25.340 Yeah, I've got a bunch of ticket links and dates that are up there already, and there should be more on the website in the next week or so.

03:05:31.560 But you're going to Bozeman.

03:05:33.200 Oh, yeah.

03:05:33.740 For the first time ever.

03:05:34.840 I've never been to Montana before.

03:05:35.880 So beautiful, dude.

03:05:36.620 I'm really excited to go out there in a few days.

03:05:39.440 And then Louisville, Fort Wayne, Key West.

03:05:44.000 Ooh, wow.

03:05:44.800 That should be fun.

03:05:46.100 Maybe Nick Swartz will be down there at the bar. 0.99

03:05:47.980 He spent a year in Key West during COVID at the fucking. 0.98

03:05:51.480 Is that true? 0.99

03:05:52.240 Yeah, dude.

03:05:52.740 He went.

03:05:53.900 This is alleged.

03:05:54.580 And I love Nick.

03:05:55.780 And he came here and told the story.

03:05:57.800 I think he spent a million dollars at a hotel there.

03:06:00.760 Just staying in a hotel every night, basically.

03:06:03.060 Yeah, I guess if you do that for a year, you could rack up a lot of money.

03:06:06.280 Down in the Florida.

03:06:07.900 I went to Key West for supposed to be 10 days.

03:06:10.340 During the pandemic.

03:06:11.020 Yeah, and I was there a year and a half.

03:06:12.820 I heard that you ran up a bill at the hotel there that was like astronomical.

03:06:17.400 It was insane.

03:06:18.100 I stayed at a resort on the beach for a year and a half.

03:06:20.640 And it cost, I heard, a million dollars.

03:06:22.040 I don't think it was a million, but it was a lot of money.

03:06:24.280 If you tipped, did you tip?

03:06:25.900 I always tipped.

03:06:26.720 What do you think it was?

03:06:27.620 When you say a lot of money, how much was it?

03:06:29.380 I mean, it was definitely probably half a mil for sure.

03:06:33.660 I feel like it was more than that.

03:06:35.500 It might have been.

03:06:36.380 I kind of don't want to know.

03:06:38.420 Yep.

03:06:38.700 See?

03:06:39.060 And that's our Federal Reserve right there.

03:06:40.960 Well, that is.

03:06:41.620 It's true.

03:06:42.180 And that's how our Federal Reserve operates.

03:06:43.780 You could have done that for 50 grand on my grandpa's dollar, but there you go.

03:06:47.480 Yeah.

03:06:47.660 You can't stay at a resort for a year and a half, man.

03:06:49.760 That's going to be a really big bill.

03:06:51.460 But then also, man, it's so like, that's nice.

03:06:56.840 He's like, you know what? 1.00

03:06:57.760 Fuck it. 1.00

03:06:58.160 The world might be ending. 1.00

03:06:59.660 I might have like long AIDS or whatever the kid, you know, whatever they were calling COVID.

03:07:04.120 And I'm going to go sit.

03:07:05.340 I'm going to have a margarita and listen to some Jimmy Buffett.

03:07:08.100 There's, I definitely know people who did worse during the pandemic than that.

03:07:12.220 So that's not bad.

03:07:13.600 Yeah.

03:07:15.980 Yeah.

03:07:16.380 Montana is great.

03:07:17.040 There's a great place to eat there.

03:07:18.040 Can you look up the farm in Bozeman, Montana?

03:07:20.040 I think that's what it's called.

03:07:21.820 Oh, by the way, while I'm plugging things, I should mention this one to make my friends happy.

03:07:28.320 But we are a dude, man, you got to come.

03:07:30.920 But we're doing a skank fest in New Orleans. 0.95

03:07:34.540 No way.

03:07:35.700 During the Super Bowl?

03:07:38.100 Where?

03:07:38.600 Huh?

03:07:39.020 When is it?

03:07:39.980 I believe it's in November.

03:07:42.120 Ooh.

03:07:43.180 But it is.

03:07:43.760 If you haven't been to skank fest, it's the best comedy festival in the world.

03:07:46.880 And we've done it in Vegas for the last few years, but we're moving it to New Orleans this year.

03:07:51.840 Very excited for that.

03:07:53.080 I've never done comedy in New Orleans before.

03:07:55.260 Yeah.

03:07:55.460 New Orleans is a one of a contact place to do comedy.

03:07:57.920 Oh, there's the crew right there.

03:07:59.160 Atel, Dylan, Bobby Kelly.

03:08:02.380 Who all is in there?

03:08:04.340 Is that Bert in the back?

03:08:05.640 Mark?

03:08:06.540 Yeah, that is Bert.

03:08:07.620 Bert, Mark.

03:08:08.420 Louis J.

03:08:09.380 Look at him.

03:08:10.080 Louis J.

03:08:10.340 With eyeliner on.

03:08:11.440 I know.

03:08:11.960 God, that's hot.

03:08:12.720 There's Christine, right?

03:08:14.520 No, what is her?

03:08:17.480 Christine.

03:08:18.000 Christine and Rebecca.

03:08:19.040 Yeah.

03:08:19.480 Christine and Rebecca.

03:08:21.140 They run the whole festival.

03:08:24.460 They do a phenomenal job.

03:08:26.020 Yeah, Christine. 0.99

03:08:26.680 Shout out to Christine and Rebecca.

03:08:28.400 Rebecca owns the Creek in the Cave in Austin.

03:08:31.200 Oh, really?

03:08:31.640 The comedy club out there.

03:08:32.760 Oh, I've seen her before.

03:08:34.020 Yeah.

03:08:34.220 I was just there two days ago, yesterday.

03:08:36.340 That's a fun room.

03:08:37.320 Oh, yeah.

03:08:38.200 It is great, man.

03:08:39.200 Austin's, man, Austin, dude, it's really, I'm like, man, you can do so much stand up there.

03:08:46.120 It's like the new Hollywood, it feels.

03:08:48.360 It's like the new comedy, it really feels, this is the time I really felt it.

03:08:52.400 Every time I go there, dude, it's just like, I feel, and even before Rogan opened the mothership,

03:08:57.260 obviously like more so now, but even before then, it was just kind of like, oh, there's

03:09:00.700 like an energy here.

03:09:01.660 It's like fun to do spots and hang out.

03:09:04.280 And there's like, it's, I feel like in New York, like even, which is where I'm from,

03:09:08.120 where I started, even when I go back there, like, I don't, I like feel like I don't know

03:09:12.100 anyone anymore, but like in Austin be like, oh, all my friends are hanging out.

03:09:15.980 You know what I mean?

03:09:16.560 Like it's, it reminds me of what it used to be like in New York when it always, every

03:09:19.720 night would be all my friends are hanging out.

03:09:21.480 Now you get there.

03:09:22.160 I'm like, I don't know who half of these people are.

03:09:24.320 Yeah.

03:09:24.720 It's just, I guess that's part of just getting old.

03:09:27.300 Part of that's getting older too.

03:09:28.340 Yeah, it is.

03:09:30.380 Did I, I know since you said you're Jewish, did I offend you with anything I said?

03:09:34.440 No.

03:09:35.020 Okay.

03:09:35.480 No, of course not.

03:09:36.540 Okay, man.

03:09:37.220 Thanks.

03:09:37.380 No, I was waiting for you to go further.

03:09:39.500 Further about what?

03:09:40.220 You disappointed me.

03:09:41.440 I did?

03:09:41.960 I'm just kidding.

03:09:43.200 Oh, no.

03:09:43.620 If you didn't really tear into the Jews. 0.91

03:09:45.440 No, no, no.

03:09:45.860 No, you didn't offend me at all.

03:09:47.080 Okay.

03:09:47.700 Yeah.

03:09:47.900 I think you made, I think you made perfect sense.

03:09:49.940 Yeah.

03:09:50.400 Sometimes I, some, some stuff that's hard to talk about.

03:09:52.520 I think I'm trying to do a better job this year of like being brave about trying to talk

03:09:56.420 about some things, even if it feels kind of scary.

03:09:58.980 Yeah.

03:09:59.240 Sometimes I have a tough time.

03:10:00.360 Like, um, uh, uh,

03:10:04.280 like saying, Hey, slow this down so I can make sure I know what I'm thinking too.

03:10:09.460 Like it's been a learning at being conversations has been, it's on re it's, it's harder than

03:10:15.240 you think.

03:10:15.680 I know it's a real, it's a skillset.

03:10:17.260 It's a real skillset.

03:10:18.280 And there's a difference also between just like, there's like, just like doing your own

03:10:23.260 thing, like just ranting is a whole different skillset than like talking to somebody.

03:10:27.620 You know what I mean?

03:10:28.260 And I do think that like, I think there's nothing wrong with like being like, Hey,

03:10:32.300 all right, hold on.

03:10:32.860 Let me think about that for a little bit.

03:10:34.440 In fact, I think not nearly enough people do that in conversations.

03:10:38.160 You're like, huh, you just said something.

03:10:39.220 Let me like actually think about that for a second.

03:10:41.340 Yeah.

03:10:41.840 Rather than just give you like my first, the first thought that comes to my mind.

03:10:45.600 Let me actually give you like what my genuine thought is.

03:10:48.780 Yeah.

03:10:49.100 I'm going to try to focus on that a little bit more or unfocus on it a little bit.

03:10:52.440 So just leave a little bit more room for things.

03:10:54.900 Um, what was one other thing I was going to say?

03:10:57.280 Um, yeah, man, I just, I love the way you're able to think and share.

03:11:01.500 And it feels very, you always feel to me like you, uh, are being genuine to what you believe.

03:11:07.600 And that's something that I just, I think it's important, you know, cause I think that people

03:11:11.800 can know that that's true, whether you're right or wrong about stuff, you feel like, well, this

03:11:16.760 is how I feel, you know, and this is what I think.

03:11:19.440 And, um, yeah, I just appreciate it.

03:11:21.820 I feel like we're in a special time where people are trying to figure stuff out.

03:11:26.340 Yeah.

03:11:27.220 Yeah.

03:11:27.520 Well, I, I appreciate that.

03:11:29.520 And I do, that's always what I admire in other people.

03:11:32.700 So that's kind of like what I always try to do.

03:11:34.840 Like I, I'm sure I'm wrong about a lot of stuff, but I'm not lying about anything and

03:11:39.640 I'm not, uh, like I believe everything I'm saying.

03:11:42.460 Yeah.

03:11:43.220 Yeah.

03:11:43.360 I'm trying.

03:11:43.780 Yeah.

03:11:44.100 I'm trying about.

03:11:44.760 Yeah.

03:11:45.140 And a lot of it's learning and it's just interesting, man.

03:11:47.540 We're lucky to be able to be alive and think out loud and, um, and grateful to anybody

03:11:51.640 that listened.

03:11:52.500 And, uh, you got skank fest in new Orleans later this year.

03:11:54.760 You have a comic, Dave Smith.com comic, Dave Smith.com.

03:11:58.480 And then that's my on Twitter.

03:11:59.780 That's my handle to comic Dave Smith.

03:12:01.640 Yup.

03:12:02.040 And, uh, Dave, thank you so much, man.

03:12:04.260 And, uh, best of luck this year with, uh, with comedy and everything, man.

03:12:07.540 And I might see it at the inauguration, bro.

03:12:09.540 Hell yeah, dude.

03:12:10.300 Um, all right, man.

03:12:11.000 Have a good one, brother.

03:12:11.920 Thanks for having me.

03:12:12.600 Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

03:12:18.280 I must be cornerstone.

03:12:23.520 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

03:12:28.920 I can feel it in my bones.

03:12:32.400 But it's gonna take...

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - January 16, 2025

E555 Dave Smith

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