This Past Weekend with Theo Von - Jocko Willink 2

00:00:00.520 Today's guest, it's his second time coming in here, and man, this guy, he reminds me of like the incredible, incredible, he reminds me actually of a little bit like the dad from the Incredibles, I think.

00:00:18.520 I was going to say Incredible Hulk, but he's more evolved than that.

00:00:21.300 He is retired Navy SEAL author and host of the Jocko Podcast, my friend Jocko Willink.

00:00:51.300 Yeah, that's the thing about a lobster, man, is really the travel cost.

00:00:54.600 People don't think about that when they see them.

00:00:56.400 People don't think about the travel costs that have gone into getting that bastard running it back and forth.

00:01:01.340 Dude, they have a new thing now where they'll have a skill crane, which is like, you know, a thing that kids put the money in and they can, you know, do the control, and you can get a lobster out.

00:01:10.740 And you try to win the lobster like it's at.

00:01:12.780 For real?

00:01:13.380 Yeah.

00:01:13.740 And it's usually at like a shitty bar or something.

00:01:15.780 It's not even like.

00:01:16.360 For real?

00:01:16.920 Yeah.

00:01:17.540 So I spent like $9 at one over by the airport.

00:01:19.820 I spent about $9 trying to get a lobster.

00:01:21.700 And then here's the thing.

00:01:22.720 I finally got one.

00:01:23.760 Oh, you got one?

00:01:24.580 Yeah, I had to catch my flight.

00:01:26.420 So I was like.

00:01:27.200 What'd you do with it?

00:01:27.920 Throw it back in?

00:01:28.240 I had them throw it back in.

00:01:29.280 Yeah, I was like, well, shit, I can't.

00:01:30.840 You know, I can't check this lob, bro.

00:01:34.400 So.

00:01:35.760 Oh, we got to go.

00:01:36.420 A couple different flavors now.

00:01:37.240 This one's Tropic Thunder, huh?

00:01:38.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:39.860 This one you'll end up in black face if you have too many cans on it.

00:01:41.960 You know, you want to know why, because it's really a pina colada.

00:01:45.060 Oh, really?

00:01:45.380 I think that's the flavor, but I can't, you know, Jocko can't be calling something pina

00:01:48.240 colada, right?

00:01:49.440 Yeah.

00:01:49.660 It'd be a little bit.

00:01:50.240 A little shock that you have, man.

00:01:51.320 A little bit.

00:01:51.940 Not what we're looking for.

00:01:53.260 A little shock that you've already came out of the colada thing.

00:01:55.120 It's okay, because you just call it Tropic Thunder, and you're good.

00:01:58.400 There you go.

00:02:00.280 Do people, when they meet you, expect you to be kind of violent, do you feel like?

00:02:03.420 The funny thing is, people meet me, and they're like, you're a lot.

00:02:06.220 I'm 5'11".

00:02:07.380 People meet me, and they're like, I thought you were a lot taller.

00:02:10.060 Really?

00:02:10.380 And then they, yeah, so they think I'm taller, because I'm only 5'11.

00:02:14.120 And they think I'm going to be in black and white, because I always take pictures in

00:02:17.220 black and white.

00:02:17.740 That's kind of a joke, but no, I mean, so that's what I think people, I think when they finally

00:02:24.480 come up to me, you know, I'm pretty laid back.

00:02:26.400 Yeah.

00:02:27.080 I'm not going crazy all the time.

00:02:28.860 Right.

00:02:29.540 Some of the time.

00:02:30.400 Yeah.

00:02:30.820 But not all the time.

00:02:31.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:32.520 Do you feel like that you, whenever you started podcasting, really, because so many people

00:02:41.000 love your show, do you feel like that in the beginning you were different than you are

00:02:46.540 now?

00:02:46.920 Like it's, that you were more of an entertainer?

00:02:51.560 Like, I'm just wondering what that journey's been like for you at all.

00:02:54.160 Honestly, no.

00:02:55.540 Yeah.

00:02:55.740 I don't feel like I'm any different.

00:02:56.480 I'm just doing the same kind of stuff I've always been doing.

00:03:00.640 I've always been doing what I'm doing right now, but just that now there's a window to

00:03:05.220 it for people to see what's going on and see kind of the life through my eyes.

00:03:11.560 Right.

00:03:11.920 You know?

00:03:12.180 And I don't, it's hard.

00:03:15.680 You can't, you know the deal.

00:03:16.720 You can't be someone else on a podcast for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of

00:03:21.640 talking.

00:03:22.020 You can't play a role, you know, you just, eventually the real you is there.

00:03:26.880 And so for me, I've just always kind of been, that's just me, you know, that's just me.

00:03:32.660 Do you, um, do you still, do you find that you're getting a little bit, you know, I know

00:03:38.300 that Jocko doesn't age, but you know, if you looked at a calendar, you've been alive longer

00:03:44.000 than you were last time I saw you.

00:03:46.100 It was maybe a year and a half ago, a year ago.

00:03:47.960 Something like that.

00:03:48.900 Yeah.

00:03:49.040 You're one of our first guests, I think actually, Nick, wasn't he?

00:03:51.100 He was very early on.

00:03:52.660 It was over a year ago, but, uh.

00:03:54.200 We were nervous, bro.

00:03:56.320 I remember calling my insurance provider.

00:03:58.300 I just left.

00:03:59.260 No, I even sent him a picture of screen grab.

00:04:01.160 Good call.

00:04:01.820 I said, this guy.

00:04:02.340 This guy's coming.

00:04:03.680 If I make him angry, we don't know what's going to happen.

00:04:06.140 Could be the end.

00:04:07.140 This guy's been drinking his own plasma thing.

00:04:10.740 Um, uh, fuck, I forgot what I was even going to ask you, man.

00:04:15.160 Oh, there you go.

00:04:16.880 That's what you were talking about your memory.

00:04:18.320 I was listening to your podcast today.

00:04:19.500 You were talking about your memory failing quite a bit.

00:04:21.900 Yeah, I think this.

00:04:22.640 Oh, no.

00:04:22.980 You were talking about your emotional memory.

00:04:24.840 And that's why you keep making the same mistakes all the time.

00:04:27.620 Emotional mistakes.

00:04:28.420 Yeah.

00:04:28.860 See, that's, I think I have a good emotional memory.

00:04:31.400 Really?

00:04:31.760 Like locked.

00:04:32.700 Wow.

00:04:32.960 I remember what that feels like.

00:04:34.000 I'm not doing that again.

00:04:35.140 See, fuck.

00:04:35.940 For some reason, I forget.

00:04:37.620 It's like, it's, yeah.

00:04:38.300 It's like that kid with the stove kind of.

00:04:39.880 It's like, uh, yeah, it's just like, yeah, I found myself just running in the same circles.

00:04:45.120 Um, yeah, recently I've been trying to get a little bit more into, uh, finding just motivation.

00:04:50.620 Cause then at least I'm like active in each.

00:04:54.340 I've been trying to get more active into each, into my day each day.

00:04:57.900 So then at least I'm like, not just like playing from behind all day.

00:05:01.480 I don't feel like.

00:05:02.040 By active, do you mean like some kind of physical activity or just mean more proactive in the way you approach your day?

00:05:07.840 Um, both actually.

00:05:08.980 So more physical activity instead of just thinking like the second I think, okay, I should go for a gym or I should go to the run or I should, you know, set, get an appointment for a trainer.

00:05:16.380 You know, I know you don't have a trainer, but, um, it's like, yeah, you couldn't even imagine some soft man yelling at you with a whistle, dude.

00:05:27.700 Um, but, but yeah, it's like, I just go ahead and do it.

00:05:31.760 And then, and then just to try and approach this, my day a little bit more like just like, okay, I want to do this.

00:05:39.100 I call that like going on offense instead of being on defense.

00:05:41.780 You just go on offense.

00:05:42.780 I'm going to make some stuff happen.

00:05:44.340 I'm thinking about doing this.

00:05:45.160 And that's a good attitude.

00:05:45.800 When you think about something, thinking about doing it, just go do it.

00:05:48.780 Yeah.

00:05:49.080 Don't even waste time thinking about even what you're going to do at the gym.

00:05:52.320 Just go to the gym.

00:05:53.060 You can figure it out when you get there or your trainer can tell you.

00:05:55.680 Yeah.

00:05:55.840 Yeah.

00:05:57.200 Cause my brain, man, it just, yeah.

00:05:58.760 Once it gets into my brain, that's where it's not good.

00:06:00.780 You know, it's like when I'm in action, that's when, yeah, everything will work out.

00:06:05.520 Usually.

00:06:05.820 Okay.

00:06:06.020 As long as I get my action going, you know?

00:06:07.820 So, yeah, for recently, it's just been just something that I guess I've been struggling

00:06:13.620 with is just finding that motivation.

00:06:15.200 So, but now I feel like I'm getting a little bit more like, all right, let's just go, you

00:06:19.800 know, let's go, let's get in motion.

00:06:22.020 And I know it, but sometimes it's like, I'll have learned a lesson and then it'll just kind

00:06:25.600 of fade away a little bit, you know?

00:06:27.380 And then I'll have to, or, you know, the vow, like the new practices I have in my life,

00:06:32.480 sometimes they go by the wayside and it's like, I have to kind of recalibrate.

00:06:35.520 Well, I always tell people you can't sit around and wait until you're motivated to do something.

00:06:40.360 Cause if you sit around and wait until you're motivated to do something, who knows when

00:06:43.140 that's going to come?

00:06:43.700 It may come, but it may not come and it may only come twice a week.

00:06:47.380 And if it's only coming twice a week, that's, that's a lot less than you actually need.

00:06:51.580 So you don't wait, you don't wait.

00:06:52.980 You just put, put the discipline on, you know, you put the discipline on and when you wake

00:06:56.760 up, you go do what you're supposed to do.

00:06:58.140 And you, the crazy thing is you, speaking of emotional memory, you know, when you get

00:07:02.440 done, you're going to feel better.

00:07:03.520 Like that's a guarantee.

00:07:04.980 If you go to the gym and you get your workout in or you do whatever thing, you know, you're

00:07:09.240 supposed to do.

00:07:09.860 It's a guarantee that when you get done, you're going to feel better.

00:07:13.860 So remember that emotion.

00:07:15.500 Right.

00:07:15.960 And, and put that thing into play so that you can actually, you know, get it done the

00:07:20.660 way you're supposed to.

00:07:21.520 Yeah.

00:07:21.940 I wonder why then sometimes like I'll know that I'll know how to help myself.

00:07:26.440 And sometimes I still don't want to.

00:07:29.460 That's the whole world, right?

00:07:31.000 That's the whole world.

00:07:31.940 Everyone, you know, what are you going to, who wants to eat the broccoli instead of the

00:07:36.640 Twinkie, right?

00:07:37.220 People are like, Oh, they're, they're going to eat the Twinkie.

00:07:39.160 Everybody knows that it's bad for them, but they're just, I mean, what you, you ever been

00:07:42.960 to a seven 11, you know what I mean?

00:07:44.440 What do they sell up there?

00:07:45.180 They don't sell broccoli.

00:07:46.260 They just sell candy, straight sugar, main lining sugar, corn syrup, get it in the veins

00:07:53.540 and people are, that's all day.

00:07:55.460 That's what happens.

00:07:56.200 Yeah.

00:07:56.460 So it's not like you're, you're different.

00:08:00.040 You're in the same boat as everybody else.

00:08:01.880 Yeah.

00:08:02.500 Yeah.

00:08:02.860 And that's, I guess that's a good point.

00:08:04.180 Like that's the boat you have to get out of.

00:08:05.960 It's like, it's not like that's a, if you're behaving that way that you've been sentenced

00:08:10.300 to that, that's the baseline.

00:08:12.420 Yeah.

00:08:13.260 Yeah.

00:08:13.660 Did you know different than everybody else?

00:08:15.440 Right.

00:08:15.780 That's the baseline is that, yeah, it's not like, I'm fucked, man.

00:08:19.280 I'm not making great decisions for myself.

00:08:20.960 Most people aren't.

00:08:21.960 Yeah, most people are.

00:08:22.860 That's why there's a difference between when we do and when we don't and kind of getting

00:08:28.600 out of that.

00:08:29.860 Really, it's like a slumber.

00:08:31.280 I feel like it gets into all, once it starts to seep into one aspect of my life, it kind

00:08:34.800 of starts to seep around, you know?

00:08:36.060 Well, the good thing is, is when you put some discipline in your life, that seeps around

00:08:41.000 too.

00:08:41.420 Yeah.

00:08:41.720 So when you start doing things right, you start doing more things right.

00:08:44.340 Right.

00:08:44.660 Yeah.

00:08:44.840 I mean, it's classic, right?

00:08:46.800 You have one of those weekends where you're like, you know what?

00:08:48.640 I'm just, I think I'm just going to, I'm just going to order a pizza.

00:08:51.420 Oh yeah.

00:08:51.600 Well then, so you order that pizza, you know, from wherever, Gray Block.

00:08:55.700 Is that what we're talking about?

00:08:56.260 Oh yeah, I order a Gray Block hitter.

00:08:57.220 You order that Gray Block hitter and you get the triple cheese and you get the meat, whatever.

00:09:02.180 Oh yeah.

00:09:02.600 And you're, and so then you just dive into that thing and, and what does that do?

00:09:06.560 Well, that kind of, you think, well, since I did that, I'm not even going to go for a

00:09:10.040 run tonight because I'm just going to kick back.

00:09:11.760 And then, you know, you just start going down that path.

00:09:13.500 I'm going to get ice cream.

00:09:14.580 I'm going to do weed or something.

00:09:15.980 Yeah.

00:09:16.380 And then you know where you're headed.

00:09:17.280 I'm not going to watch my children.

00:09:17.820 I'm not going to call my mom, you know?

00:09:19.460 Yeah.

00:09:19.660 I'm going to sleep outside, you know?

00:09:21.640 You're just like.

00:09:22.200 There you go.

00:09:22.980 That's how you do it.

00:09:23.540 So it's a little decisions.

00:09:24.580 But when you say you're, when you're like about to dial the number and then you say,

00:09:29.640 you know what?

00:09:29.940 No, I'm just going to make a, make a salad right now and put a chicken in it and just

00:09:34.760 eat that clean.

00:09:36.440 And then you get done with that and you say, you know, I feel pretty good.

00:09:38.660 Yeah.

00:09:38.920 I'm going to go out and get a little run, get a little run done.

00:09:41.040 I'm going to get a run in.

00:09:41.820 Yeah.

00:09:41.960 I'm going to clean my fucking car.

00:09:43.100 I'm going to clean those tootsie rolls out of my fucking backseat.

00:09:44.820 So that's what happens.

00:09:45.940 So the little decisions, they build up.

00:09:47.720 So the bad decisions build up.

00:09:49.200 So that's what happens.

00:09:50.200 Now that's not an excuse to say, okay, now I'm going to make 28 bad decisions in a row.

00:09:54.640 Right.

00:09:54.740 What it is, it's an indicator.

00:09:55.960 You say, oh, I just made one bad.

00:09:57.260 Okay.

00:09:58.080 Stop.

00:09:59.360 Reset.

00:09:59.860 The pizza was good.

00:10:01.100 Fine.

00:10:01.800 Let's get back on the path.

00:10:02.980 Let's do it now.

00:10:04.320 That's a mistake that people make.

00:10:06.260 Yeah.

00:10:06.620 And by the way, that's a mistake that people can make for like nine years.

00:10:10.480 People will get into that.

00:10:11.960 Keep ordering that pie, bro.

00:10:13.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:10:14.780 Yeah, it's funny.

00:10:16.520 I wonder, especially, do you find as we get into more of like an automated, almost an automated humanity in a way,

00:10:25.520 do you feel like it's becoming harder for people to make good choices for themselves?

00:10:29.980 Are they up against like greater evils?

00:10:32.380 Do you ever have any thoughts like that or it's still?

00:10:37.680 I suppose there's some of them.

00:10:39.100 I mean, let's face it.

00:10:39.880 But it's a lot easier to order a pizza than it is to go out and huck a spear at a damn buffalo or whatever.

00:10:46.980 Yeah, at a buffalo or a pepperoni.

00:10:49.260 Yeah.

00:10:49.800 Yeah.

00:10:50.220 Some banana peppers.

00:10:51.720 Yeah.

00:10:52.120 Yeah.

00:10:52.340 So, so that's definitely a difference.

00:10:54.280 And it's, and even today, I mean, you know, you live in LA, I live in San Diego.

00:10:59.440 You can pretty much get anything you want.

00:11:03.180 Anything.

00:11:03.660 Into your house in maybe two hours maximum.

00:11:07.900 Yeah.

00:11:08.080 So if there's some evil food that you want to eat, you can get it and it's going to be delivered to your door.

00:11:15.180 So even the resistance, you know, some people are like, well, you know, I'd really like to have.

00:11:19.660 But I'm not going to go get it.

00:11:20.560 Yeah.

00:11:20.780 I'd really like to have a chocolate donut right now, but I don't want to go all the way to the store.

00:11:25.300 So maybe that, maybe that saves some people.

00:11:27.220 Now that, that savior's gone.

00:11:28.600 Because now they're just, they're just on their phone and they got chocolate donuts stacking up at the front door.

00:11:33.840 So that could be a problem.

00:11:36.440 That could be a problem.

00:11:37.600 Do you, so, so if that's starting to occur, then, then there really is kind of becoming a line between if we're going to be strong enough to make choices for ourselves or if we're going to, if we're going to not, you know, like, do you think that?

00:11:53.720 Or is that, you think it's all, it's just still the same and there's always been like, you know, back in the day and maybe a duck would wander up to your door.

00:12:01.380 You'd be like, oh, I'll never have any duck, you know, and then a fucking mallard lands, you know, on your welcome mat and you're like, oh, you know.

00:12:06.780 Yeah, I think we also, but I think we're more aware now of the effects, the negative effects of this bad stuff, you know, because let's face it.

00:12:14.340 When I was a kid and I was thirsty, probably the same as you.

00:12:18.440 When I was a kid and I told my mom, like, I'm thirsty, she'd be like, cool, there's Cokes in the fridge.

00:12:23.720 And I'd go drink three of them, right?

00:12:26.660 Like, no factor.

00:12:27.960 This was just what it was.

00:12:30.180 Hey, I'm hungry.

00:12:31.620 What am I going to eat?

00:12:32.460 A Snickers bar.

00:12:33.760 Yeah.

00:12:34.480 That, what was, they had some little motto.

00:12:37.080 Snickers satisfies.

00:12:38.200 That was the motto.

00:12:39.240 So, hey, I'm hungry.

00:12:40.700 Remember Payday Bar?

00:12:41.460 It was a health bar.

00:12:42.700 Oh, it was a health bar.

00:12:43.720 Yeah, I was like, hey, this is good for you.

00:12:45.220 Which I didn't even really compute that because I was like, it's food, right?

00:12:48.060 Food's good for you.

00:12:49.700 So, we're more aware.

00:12:51.260 Like, even my, I got one daughter that's only 10 years old.

00:12:54.920 And she, even she knows that.

00:12:56.640 She'll like, look, oh, there's a ton of sugar in this.

00:12:58.740 She's 10 years old.

00:12:59.680 So, I think people are more aware.

00:13:01.500 I mean, you know, my parents, it wasn't them being bad parents.

00:13:06.760 Right.

00:13:07.180 It was just what was going on.

00:13:08.240 But it was just what was going on.

00:13:09.680 The dang, what were they called?

00:13:12.000 Funny bones.

00:13:13.000 Have you ever had a funny bone before?

00:13:14.200 Uh-uh.

00:13:14.380 It was like chocolate cup.

00:13:16.020 It was like a, it was kind of like a Twinkie situation.

00:13:18.260 But it was chocolate.

00:13:20.280 It had chocolate draped over it.

00:13:22.800 But then the inside was a, was a creamy pita butter filling.

00:13:27.720 So, you know, you could just, you could, and it wasn't no thing.

00:13:31.660 God, it sounds like the way I'd like to be buried, actually.

00:13:33.720 Yeah, it's not a bad deal.

00:13:34.720 At least throwing a couple in there in the coffin.

00:13:36.900 Food, funny bones right there.

00:13:38.220 Drake's, I couldn't remember that.

00:13:39.960 So, yeah, my mom would buy, you know, like they got the 10 pack right there.

00:13:43.040 Yeah, my mom would buy like three of those and just be, hey, what are you going to have

00:13:47.220 for, what are you going to have for breakfast?

00:13:48.720 A funny bone.

00:13:49.660 Yeah.

00:13:49.760 Maybe three.

00:13:51.400 So, I think even though there's some things that make it easier to be less healthy nowadays,

00:13:57.420 I think at least we're aware of it and we're not, we're not mainlining Coca-Cola in the

00:14:01.000 morning.

00:14:01.400 Yeah.

00:14:01.760 Yeah, I guess there is.

00:14:02.640 Yeah, I remember, and as kids would make that sound after, ah, after we drank it, it

00:14:06.800 was like, that was like a big thing.

00:14:08.460 But yeah, getting a Coke was, and your parents had Diet Coke and you thought that was crazy.

00:14:12.820 Like, what fucking creepy senior is sipping that shit?

00:14:17.820 But yeah, so yeah, it's like.

00:14:19.480 I actually, I'm pretty sure I remember, I think I remember a world before Diet Coke.

00:14:24.980 I actually, there was something called Tab.

00:14:27.420 Oh, yeah.

00:14:27.820 Remember Tab?

00:14:28.300 I've seen that.

00:14:28.620 It was really, it had a very strange font on the camera.

00:14:30.640 I think that was the first kind of diet soda.

00:14:33.940 Oh, really?

00:14:34.480 Yeah, that I can remember.

00:14:36.040 Because Coke was just Coke.

00:14:38.140 There wasn't even anything else.

00:14:39.540 It was just like, it wasn't Coke, Lightens, Coke, everything else.

00:14:42.060 It was just Coke.

00:14:43.080 Yeah.

00:14:43.380 With 97 grams of corn syrup per shot.

00:14:47.560 Yeah.

00:14:49.040 Coke, yeah, and they're supposed to refresh you.

00:14:51.040 That's insane when you think about that.

00:14:52.640 Yeah.

00:14:53.020 But that's how it was.

00:14:54.860 But yeah, I guess, I wonder if there was any positives to it.

00:14:57.540 I mean, sugar's such a killer.

00:14:59.120 Mm-hmm.

00:14:59.560 Sugar's, how much sugar's in this?

00:15:01.160 Zero.

00:15:02.160 Oh, really?

00:15:02.820 Yeah, so what tastes good, what's making your sweetness.

00:15:06.740 Yeah, because I feel a little bit heated up.

00:15:07.960 The first go is that there's something called monk fruit in it, which is-

00:15:12.620 Religious, no?

00:15:14.140 It's not very religious.

00:15:16.300 It's something like 87,000 times more sweet than sugar or something.

00:15:20.960 I don't know what the number is, but it's something like that, so it's super sweet.

00:15:23.320 Three times softer than cotton, you mean?

00:15:24.980 Yeah.

00:15:25.560 Yeah.

00:15:25.960 But it's just, it's a fruit.

00:15:28.000 And so we just put a little bit of that in there, and it makes it taste sweet, and it

00:15:31.200 tastes natural.

00:15:32.640 So yeah.

00:15:33.480 Yeah, it does, it's pretty smooth, it.

00:15:34.960 Mm-hmm.

00:15:35.740 So they're all go, it's Jocko go?

00:15:38.380 Mm-hmm.

00:15:39.800 Yeah.

00:15:40.440 And do your kids have to drink it or not?

00:15:43.000 Yeah, there's too much caffeine in it for a kid.

00:15:45.400 There's 95 milligrams of caffeine in it.

00:15:47.320 Oh, fuck, man.

00:15:47.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:49.040 So are you gonna go crazy now?

00:15:50.880 You gotta watch out.

00:15:51.600 I don't wanna join the ROTC or something this afternoon.

00:15:54.460 No, it's like the same as a cup of coffee.

00:15:56.460 Okay.

00:15:56.840 So-

00:15:57.400 Would you guys, did you do ROTC when you were younger?

00:16:00.900 No.

00:16:01.120 Because that, I remember there was this group at our school, it was like ROTC.

00:16:04.920 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:16:05.580 Nobody told us, first of all, what it was, right?

00:16:07.740 Which is a huge alarm.

00:16:09.140 Because suddenly after school, there would be these kids running around the school with

00:16:13.220 wooden guns, and you'd be like, what is going on?

00:16:16.660 Yeah.

00:16:17.160 For me, I wasn't into that part of the military.

00:16:20.960 I wasn't into thinking, hey, let's march around.

00:16:24.120 Yeah.

00:16:24.400 I was into the commando stuff.

00:16:26.760 So what I actually got in trouble on the soccer team, because I was leading runs, and

00:16:34.820 I was singing cadences.

00:16:36.560 And I remember getting in trouble for singing the cadence of Ho Chi Minh is a son of a bitch,

00:16:43.100 which I was into that kind of thing.

00:16:45.480 Were y'all playing Ho Chi Minh?

00:16:47.340 No, no, we were not playing Ho Chi Minh.

00:16:49.560 You're like, oh, it's a goal, not a foxhole.

00:16:53.740 You're like, everybody out of the goal.

00:16:56.600 Yeah.

00:16:57.420 So, but we didn't even have ROTC in my school.

00:17:00.620 I grew up in a really small town in New England.

00:17:02.920 I think there was 85 people in my graduating class or something like that.

00:17:05.840 Oh, wow.

00:17:06.220 It's really small.

00:17:07.260 So, so was it more the leadership then that you, was it, I'm trying to figure out like

00:17:11.700 kind of pinpoint what it was and was it.

00:17:14.100 Bro, do you remember when you were a little kid, like pretending that a stick was a gun?

00:17:20.020 Oh yeah.

00:17:20.400 GI Joe, all of that.

00:17:21.400 That's it, man.

00:17:22.000 That's it.

00:17:22.440 And I, that was just a real strong feeling for me.

00:17:25.220 Every kid, that's all we did.

00:17:26.660 Yeah.

00:17:26.780 Most of the kids stopped doing that.

00:17:27.980 Yeah.

00:17:28.200 I didn't.

00:17:28.800 Wow.

00:17:29.440 I didn't.

00:17:30.180 And when people would, when people would look and say, oh, they fucking elbow crawling across

00:17:34.920 the graduation stage.

00:17:36.200 People see somebody walking around with a briefcase when you're a little kid and be

00:17:39.160 like, wow, that person, like they're getting in a Cadillac, like, whoa, that person's something

00:17:43.500 like powerful, a banker or something.

00:17:45.560 Right.

00:17:46.300 And I'd never had that thought.

00:17:47.800 I only thought, whoa, that guy's got a machine gun or that guy's getting into a tank.

00:17:51.880 Yeah.

00:17:52.580 And that just was what I always wanted to do.

00:17:54.860 Wow.

00:17:55.580 That's cool, man.

00:17:56.020 So as you said, I just never stopped.

00:17:57.500 Yeah.

00:17:58.200 And here you are.

00:17:59.520 Mm-hmm.

00:18:01.240 We had so many wonderful questions that came in.

00:18:05.920 I just want to get into some of them because they'll lead us into some conversation stuff

00:18:10.280 too.

00:18:11.420 Sounds like you're out of good questions.

00:18:13.700 Oh, no, I'm not.

00:18:14.780 I'm not.

00:18:15.340 But people had so many good ones, dude.

00:18:17.000 That's awesome.

00:18:17.880 Yeah.

00:18:18.340 It was really, really good.

00:18:19.100 Do we look over there?

00:18:19.700 Is that the deal?

00:18:20.160 Yeah.

00:18:20.320 We'll just look over here.

00:18:21.120 Yeah.

00:18:21.460 Cool.

00:18:21.860 Cool.

00:18:24.400 Hey, guys.

00:18:25.480 Jason here.

00:18:26.160 I just wanted to reach out and say thank you for what you guys are doing.

00:18:29.340 I do have a quick question, I guess, for both of you.

00:18:32.240 I know in a few, I guess a podcast ago, you guys are talking about how you got to keep

00:18:36.360 your emotions right and keep them under wraps, if you will.

00:18:41.800 I'm doing my best.

00:18:43.240 I'm currently at 440 pounds.

00:18:46.480 I was just diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, which I stopped breathing like 64 times an

00:18:51.700 hour, which is insane.

00:18:53.020 I'm a little machine now, so I'm getting that right.

00:18:55.480 Trying to get my eating right with the keto and the whole good thing.

00:18:57.940 But I've had these peaks and valleys of how I've gone up and down with my weight, struggling

00:19:04.060 with food.

00:19:05.020 So I guess it might be a good person to ask, how do I keep my emotions in check?

00:19:09.920 Do I continue to make good decisions?

00:19:12.520 And how can I actually make this work so I make a lifestyle change forever?

00:19:17.900 All right.

00:19:18.060 Thank you, guys.

00:19:18.620 Gang, gang.

00:19:19.140 Have a good one.

00:19:19.680 Gang, bro.

00:19:20.180 And a life.

00:19:20.820 You want to be able to live, man.

00:19:22.640 I can't imagine that, but you'd almost feel trapped, I think, at that weight.

00:19:26.020 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:28.040 But I mean.

00:19:29.000 But motivated.

00:19:29.680 It sounds motivated.

00:19:30.520 Yeah.

00:19:30.740 It'd be real easy to think, hey, you're trapped at that weight.

00:19:33.020 But man, he's alive.

00:19:34.920 He's on the right path right now.

00:19:37.040 You know?

00:19:37.340 And I would say, I always tell this to people, you can't let your emotions dictate what you're

00:19:43.480 going to do.

00:19:43.920 Well, it's kind of the conversation we just had.

00:19:45.260 Because I mean, if you think about it, motivation is really just an emotion.

00:19:47.900 Yeah.

00:19:48.040 It's just an emotion.

00:19:49.040 You feel really good and motivated.

00:19:50.800 You can't let your emotions dictate your actions.

00:19:53.140 You've got to let your logic dictate your actions.

00:19:57.440 And hey, it's not going to feel good every day.

00:19:59.500 I just, this morning, I didn't feel like working out.

00:20:03.360 I was sore.

00:20:04.240 I've been working out hard for the last few days.

00:20:05.880 I did not feel like working out at all.

00:20:08.740 And I went down there and I went through the motions.

00:20:12.500 And you know what?

00:20:14.420 You know, people say, you're just going through the motions.

00:20:16.120 I was like, yes, I was.

00:20:17.280 But that's better than not going through the motions because I got down there.

00:20:20.920 I did the work.

00:20:22.480 It wasn't the best workout I ever had.

00:20:24.160 No records were broken.

00:20:25.800 Nothing was crazy.

00:20:26.660 But I went down there and did what I was supposed to do.

00:20:28.620 There was no motivation involved whatsoever.

00:20:30.460 Zero.

00:20:31.060 Right.

00:20:31.200 I was unmotivated.

00:20:32.420 I was motivated to just snuggle into bed.

00:20:36.140 Yeah.

00:20:37.180 But no, you've got to get up.

00:20:38.800 So don't let your emotions dictate it.

00:20:41.040 And peaks and valleys, guess what?

00:20:42.800 That's what life is.

00:20:44.020 Yeah.

00:20:44.200 That life you're going to have, you're going to have times when you feel good.

00:20:46.940 You're going to have times when you feel bad.

00:20:48.800 And you can't let those things be so broad span.

00:20:54.020 So you can't let those peaks be so high and those valleys be so low that it throws you

00:20:58.160 off course.

00:20:59.500 When I feel down, it's like, okay, you know what?

00:21:01.460 That's going to pass.

00:21:02.200 Yeah.

00:21:02.640 And the way you make it pass is through action.

00:21:05.500 It's what you just said.

00:21:06.700 Yeah.

00:21:06.920 You said, you know, when I get going, that's when I'm good.

00:21:09.080 That's the same thing to Jason.

00:21:10.220 Hey, Jason, if you're not feeling like it, you know what?

00:21:13.340 Do what Theo does.

00:21:14.400 Just get, stop that.

00:21:15.800 Stop the thinking about it and just go and go for the walk.

00:21:19.020 Go for, get on the treadmill, get whatever exercise you're going to start doing, start

00:21:22.420 doing it.

00:21:22.980 And the other thing is, look, man, this is a long war.

00:21:27.260 This isn't a battle that you're going to fight one day, two days.

00:21:29.540 You're in a campaign.

00:21:31.240 Yeah.

00:21:31.520 In a campaign, World War II, four years of combat to get where you want to go.

00:21:37.080 Maybe seven years, maybe eight.

00:21:38.640 I don't know.

00:21:40.580 But part of, you don't have to think, hey, if only I could be at the end.

00:21:44.580 Man, enjoy where you're at right now.

00:21:45.840 Yeah.

00:21:46.080 I know it sounds crazy, but you know, you said, dang, Trapton.

00:21:49.520 Man, you're lucky.

00:21:51.020 You're lucky.

00:21:52.200 You know, I got friends that have been so severely wounded.

00:21:55.780 Yeah.

00:21:56.020 You know, they can't go for a run.

00:21:57.240 They lost their legs.

00:21:58.420 They lost their arms.

00:21:59.020 They lost their vision, whatever.

00:22:00.960 Hey, man, you're good to go.

00:22:03.920 You're good to go.

00:22:04.580 Go out.

00:22:05.220 Yeah.

00:22:05.460 And like you said, live.

00:22:07.520 Yeah.

00:22:07.740 I think, I mean, that's, yeah, I mean, that's it.

00:22:10.780 It's like, you got to keep, you have to get moving.

00:22:14.260 You know, you have to get, it's just, it's so funny, man, because that's one thing that

00:22:18.320 I've, I think in the past year that I've definitely had an easier time with is when I don't feel

00:22:25.220 good, even just recently, man, knowing, really starting to know at a real level, not just

00:22:30.500 like hearing and hoping, but knowing that, that that will pass, that the, how I'm feeling

00:22:35.620 is not always real.

00:22:37.960 Some of us are, you know, it's just like, we just have maybe thicker emotions or deeper

00:22:42.640 emotions.

00:22:43.160 You might have bigger highs and bigger lows.

00:22:44.900 Um, but it's almost like nobody told us in the beginning, like, Hey, how you feel isn't

00:22:50.560 exactly what's going on sometimes.

00:22:52.080 Like, yeah, you might feel like shit, but you just like, you just keep going, you know?

00:22:55.880 And yeah, the unmotivation, it's funny.

00:22:57.700 It's like when I'll go to the gym and stuff and I don't want to, or when I'll go for a

00:23:00.620 run, once I get to about eight minutes and you start to hit that sweat a little bit,

00:23:04.280 about seven and a half minutes, that's when I start to actually start to almost feel ashamed

00:23:08.200 of myself sometimes for even feeling good a little bit.

00:23:10.460 Cause I was so set on like, Oh, I'm going to have such a shitty, you know, Oh, I'm going

00:23:14.520 to show myself.

00:23:15.280 I'm going to have a shitty time.

00:23:16.480 I'm going to have a shitty day and then I'll get kind of moving and stuff.

00:23:19.320 And I'm like, fuck man, I'm almost enjoying myself a little bit.

00:23:22.400 You know what I'm thinking about right now?

00:23:24.420 Cause people always ask, well, how did you get this way?

00:23:27.180 You're like to me.

00:23:28.360 Oh yeah.

00:23:28.920 And as I'm sitting here thinking about it, one of the things that you got, obviously

00:23:32.200 got bit by an American Eagle.

00:23:34.840 No, it's think about this.

00:23:36.660 So when I, I was in the SEAL teams and as I moved through my career, I moved into leadership

00:23:40.880 positions, right?

00:23:42.080 Well, when I was in leadership positions, you can't, you can't be moping around because

00:23:47.920 if your guys see you moping around or being negative, they're going to react, they're

00:23:52.480 going to follow you, right?

00:23:53.500 They're going to, they're going to take the way your actions are.

00:23:55.660 So at some point pretty early, I realized, Oh, if I act like that, everyone's going to act

00:24:01.620 like that.

00:24:02.060 So I can't act like that.

00:24:03.620 So if I don't feel like doing something, the last thing I'm going to do is say, Hey guys,

00:24:07.820 Oh man, I don't feel like doing, no, I would never let those words exit my mouth.

00:24:11.820 And by the way, in the SEAL teams, that's kind of the way it is.

00:24:14.780 You know, no one's like, no one will admit to, Hey, I'm cold right now.

00:24:19.660 You never hear, you never hear someone say, Hey, I'm cold.

00:24:21.800 Can I borrow your jacket?

00:24:23.540 It's better to freeze.

00:24:24.920 It's better to freeze, right?

00:24:26.400 Yeah.

00:24:26.740 Or, Hey, I'm tired.

00:24:28.140 No, one's going to say that.

00:24:29.320 So that's where you get, you realize.

00:24:31.520 And so then when you power through it and you power through it over and over and over

00:24:34.580 again, you realize, you know what?

00:24:36.060 My emotions, as you said, they're not real.

00:24:38.020 Yeah.

00:24:38.260 They're not, they're not, they don't have to impact the way I'm actually going to act.

00:24:41.560 Yeah.

00:24:41.920 Jason, that's a muscle.

00:24:42.880 It really is a muscle.

00:24:44.060 It's like, it really is a muscle of breaking through that little barrier.

00:24:47.920 It's so thin to that barrier.

00:24:49.840 If I'm not going to do this, it's so, it's crazy.

00:24:53.780 Cause it feels so heavy sometimes, but it's so, it's so thin man.

00:24:58.960 And it changes.

00:24:59.920 It's like, you know, like I'll, and then the rest of my day is always better when I

00:25:04.500 get going.

00:25:04.760 Oh, it's always better.

00:25:05.660 I try and explain that to people all the time.

00:25:07.580 Even though it sucks to leave your pillow in the morning, the rest of your day will absolutely

00:25:12.160 be better.

00:25:12.920 And you're right.

00:25:13.300 That little barrier, the hardest part about the hardest part about the gym is going to

00:25:18.280 the gym.

00:25:18.520 Just getting there.

00:25:18.820 That's the hardest part.

00:25:19.540 Yeah.

00:25:19.700 The hardest part about not eating whatever sort of crap is sitting for bag of Cheetos

00:25:25.820 is sitting there.

00:25:27.940 If you just take it, throw it away and just walk away, you'll be fine.

00:25:30.040 You won't think about it.

00:25:30.860 You're not gonna be thinking about it for an hour.

00:25:32.480 Right.

00:25:33.000 How long, how long do you think if you just throw that bag of Cheetos away?

00:25:35.440 You're not going to be like in your journal.

00:25:37.800 You're not despondent.

00:25:39.320 Dear Chester.

00:25:40.420 Yeah.

00:25:40.640 Yeah.

00:25:41.360 Sorry, but happened.

00:25:42.700 Yeah.

00:25:42.860 You're just moving on.

00:25:43.860 Yeah.

00:25:44.140 So put yourself somewhere else, throw the Cheetos as far as you can throw them and walk away,

00:25:49.040 walk away from the Cheetos.

00:25:50.000 Yeah, Jason.

00:25:50.640 What's interesting is you've really, your life has set you up with the real, you've got

00:25:55.500 a journey in front of you kind of, which is kind of cool.

00:25:58.220 It's kind of cool to have.

00:26:00.300 You're at war.

00:26:01.280 Yes.

00:26:01.960 You have a mission.

00:26:03.080 Yeah.

00:26:03.860 That's awesome.

00:26:04.720 That's pretty cool.

00:26:05.440 Yeah.

00:26:06.040 Because a lot of, a lot of life, sometimes it's just, you're not finding your war sometimes,

00:26:13.000 you know, some of it is, you know, some of that aimlessness sometimes.

00:26:17.420 Uh, but you've got it, man.

00:26:19.660 And I think, yeah, that emotional part is, is just don't believe those feelings sometimes

00:26:24.060 because we all have them.

00:26:26.680 I mean, I think one of Jocko's skills or one of his, you know, uh, skills besides being

00:26:32.840 a beverage entrepreneur, it's actually pretty fucking good.

00:26:36.380 I'm starting to get scared.

00:26:37.460 Um, I got the recruiters inbound.

00:26:42.100 You're going to the Marine Corps.

00:26:43.500 I'm afraid if I have one more sip, somebody's going to parachute into the ceiling.

00:26:48.600 Um, but part of, uh, one of his things that he seems to have, uh, really mastered is not

00:26:55.220 letting that first voice have be the loudest, you know, and having your own voice against

00:26:59.940 that.

00:27:00.300 Um, uh, good luck, Jason, man.

00:27:04.000 Maybe check in.

00:27:04.740 Why don't we, can we check back in with Jason maybe?

00:27:07.160 Absolutely.

00:27:07.740 And just kind of, and just see what's going on because I would just even love to know,

00:27:10.920 you know, how, how you move forward, like what happens emotionally, no matter what direction

00:27:16.620 you're kind of going in with your, you know, with some of your choices if, you know, what's

00:27:20.980 making you feel down or, or, or what's making you feel up, you know?

00:27:25.240 Um, we had one question I know about, uh, tapping out.

00:27:29.460 Is it, do we have that one in here?

00:27:30.660 Yes, I do.

00:27:31.840 All right.

00:27:32.180 I want to know from Jocko and Theo, I love you, boy.

00:27:36.480 You're my boy, Theo, but I want to know how quick he thinks he'd be able to tap you out

00:27:41.120 just because I think it'd be kind of interesting.

00:27:43.380 I think some other people would want to know too, but you're still my boy, Theo.

00:27:46.400 I fucking love you, bro.

00:27:47.400 But, uh, how quick do you think, how, how quick does Jocko think he'd be able to tap you

00:27:51.580 out?

00:27:51.720 And then also, do you think you'd be able to tap him out?

00:27:55.060 Like if you did like bath salts or something, cause I know that shit has people feeling

00:27:58.540 just feeling loopy, bro.

00:28:01.080 Uh, that's my question.

00:28:03.660 Dang, man.

00:28:04.500 That's a good question, dude.

00:28:06.320 Have you ever trained Jiu Jitsu before?

00:28:07.740 I mean, I've trained, like I've had, you know, I've chased like a small animal around the

00:28:11.680 house, you know?

00:28:12.140 Have you ever trained Jiu Jitsu before?

00:28:12.940 No, I have not.

00:28:13.580 Yeah.

00:28:13.720 That's going to be a problem.

00:28:14.640 Okay.

00:28:15.080 Yeah.

00:28:15.440 That's going to be a problem.

00:28:16.420 It's not, it wouldn't take very long.

00:28:18.340 Okay.

00:28:18.620 You know, it wouldn't take very long.

00:28:19.920 What do you think?

00:28:20.340 Two or three minutes?

00:28:20.820 And this is the thing, man, is I always trying to explain to people, it's not cause I'm a

00:28:24.080 badass at all.

00:28:25.140 Right.

00:28:25.440 It's because, it's because I trained for a really long time.

00:28:28.840 So what like sport are you really good at?

00:28:32.220 Probably outdoor activities.

00:28:33.900 Probably.

00:28:34.400 That's not a sport, bro.

00:28:35.480 Sorry.

00:28:35.960 Sorry.

00:28:36.460 Uh, let me think about something.

00:28:38.820 Um, probably basketball.

00:28:40.180 Okay.

00:28:40.460 So let's say you and I were, let's say I never played basketball ever in my life.

00:28:44.960 Right.

00:28:45.320 And you and I played one-on-one.

00:28:47.120 Yeah.

00:28:47.280 How long, how, what I, do you think I'd even score one single basket?

00:28:50.800 I bet you'd score one based on some of your abilities.

00:28:52.780 Okay.

00:28:53.020 So one single basket and you beat me 11 to one.

00:28:55.620 Right.

00:28:56.200 So in Jiu Jitsu, it's the same thing.

00:28:58.040 I just know, I know the game.

00:29:00.320 You don't know the game at all.

00:29:01.700 And so it would be really easy.

00:29:04.280 It'd be really easy.

00:29:05.000 Not just for me, but anyone that trained Jiu Jitsu.

00:29:06.900 What do you think?

00:29:07.540 Three, four minutes probably.

00:29:09.140 To tap you out?

00:29:10.240 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:29:12.300 What if I was wearing like a real slippery suit or something?

00:29:14.920 Uh, that might gain you a little bit of time, but we're talking sub one minute.

00:29:20.760 Oh, no way.

00:29:22.020 Unless you're, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:23.360 What if it's windy out?

00:29:24.220 You've trained before.

00:29:25.160 I'm good in the wind.

00:29:25.900 You've trained before though, right?

00:29:27.380 You've trained Jiu Jitsu, hasn't you?

00:29:28.600 Okay.

00:29:28.800 Then that's where that, that's where that little, little hesitation.

00:29:32.420 Cause that's, what's amazing about it.

00:29:33.800 Same thing.

00:29:34.280 When I first trained, I was, when I first trained, I just graduated from seal training.

00:29:40.020 Jesus.

00:29:40.560 And I thought I was the man.

00:29:42.260 Yeah.

00:29:42.560 And I was 19 years old.

00:29:44.740 I was, you know, you just got done.

00:29:46.940 It's the most elite training in the world and all this stuff at 19.

00:29:50.280 Yeah.

00:29:50.520 And so this, this old master chief, like the oldest guy I'd ever seen.

00:29:56.480 Jesus.

00:29:56.880 He was probably like 40.

00:29:58.280 Damn.

00:29:59.480 Yeah.

00:30:00.140 So.

00:30:00.680 Remember how old he was when you were young?

00:30:02.460 Yeah.

00:30:02.640 Yeah.

00:30:02.780 I was looking at him like, grandpa, you got nothing for me.

00:30:06.040 Who's this old fucker with a driver's license?

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.100 So he goes, he goes, you know, who wants to learn how to fight?

00:30:11.020 And I'm like, hey, me.

00:30:11.900 Yeah.

00:30:12.200 So he brings us out, brings us on the mat and just lined up.

00:30:15.200 There's like five of us new guys.

00:30:16.780 And he tapped us all out.

00:30:19.120 Damn.

00:30:20.080 Less than a minute each.

00:30:22.720 And that's what it is.

00:30:24.360 That's what jujitsu is.

00:30:25.580 That's why people, that's why, that's why people talk about it a lot.

00:30:28.180 Because when it first happens to you, you can't even believe it.

00:30:30.460 And so, and immediately when you get tapped out for the first time, when you're 19 years

00:30:34.520 old and you're like, oh, yeah, I can take anybody.

00:30:37.440 No, it's wrong.

00:30:38.300 Because I don't know.

00:30:38.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:39.980 You're just pouring shots of your own urine.

00:30:42.640 Oh, yeah.

00:30:42.880 Right there.

00:30:43.340 We don't even give a fuck.

00:30:44.160 Just getting after that urine.

00:30:45.820 Oh, dude.

00:30:46.380 Yeah, dude.

00:30:47.340 I'd have a half a quart, bro.

00:30:48.580 Who gives a shit?

00:30:49.800 Bro, a 19 year old piss is fucking, you know, testosterone's in that shit.

00:30:53.540 Actually, I do.

00:30:54.540 Zero.

00:30:55.300 Zero.

00:30:56.140 I don't know about that.

00:30:57.380 You missed out.

00:30:57.920 You got to get to the bottom.

00:30:59.040 There's something down there.

00:30:59.480 Theoretically, I like where you're at, but you're not really there scientifically.

00:31:02.720 So, yeah, that's what happens.

00:31:04.100 You just don't know.

00:31:06.040 And jujitsu is a really powerful, powerful thing.

00:31:09.480 And you should go train sometime.

00:31:11.080 I really want to go train.

00:31:12.380 And I need to go train.

00:31:13.300 I've been trying what I've been focusing on this year.

00:31:14.820 You've been saying that for a while.

00:31:16.020 I know.

00:31:16.660 Well, one of my fears is that I'm not flexible enough.

00:31:22.380 That has nothing to do with anything.

00:31:24.180 It has nothing to do with you not training.

00:31:26.340 I have people that come to my gym that start jujitsu when they're 52 years old.

00:31:31.500 Wow.

00:31:31.880 Or 43 years old or whatever.

00:31:34.120 It doesn't matter.

00:31:35.040 You can get in there and you can train.

00:31:36.540 Be careful.

00:31:37.420 You know, you don't want to train with like some 19 year old kid that's been training for

00:31:42.760 like six months.

00:31:44.440 Right.

00:31:44.940 That's all crazy.

00:31:46.000 Right.

00:31:46.300 That is nothing to lose.

00:31:47.440 Don't go with him because he's going to take your arm and put it on his wall at home

00:31:52.260 and be like, that's the old wad's arm.

00:31:54.740 You see that one arm?

00:31:55.780 He's like, oh, I got that hitter.

00:31:57.700 I got his other arm.

00:31:59.220 So watch out for that guy.

00:32:00.600 But other than that, if you find some people that were going to relax, it'd be cool.

00:32:03.340 And yeah, you should definitely start training jujitsu.

00:32:05.620 Yeah.

00:32:06.200 The thing you should do is stretch.

00:32:07.680 I mean, I hope you're doing like some kind of stretching protocol.

00:32:12.700 That's a no.

00:32:13.700 That's a no.

00:32:14.380 Yeah.

00:32:14.700 That's a no.

00:32:15.200 That's a no.

00:32:15.440 That's a no.

00:32:15.920 That's a no.

00:32:16.440 It's a you no.

00:32:17.300 It's a you.

00:32:19.300 Exactly.

00:32:20.200 Yeah, I do know.

00:32:20.980 But that's why I do know why because stretching is so unsatisfying.

00:32:23.760 Yeah, I find it so unsatisfying.

00:32:25.620 I'm if there's the the the Achilles heel, the Achilles heel for me, or just the thing

00:32:31.120 that I really don't like doing, even though I know it's beneficial is I don't like stretching

00:32:34.220 a lot.

00:32:34.720 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 So because there's just you just don't you don't get done.

00:32:37.500 You know where I said when you always feel better.

00:32:39.720 Yeah.

00:32:40.340 There's less of that feeling when I get done.

00:32:41.940 I don't I'm not walking around like, yo, I just got done stretching out.

00:32:45.420 Look how far I can fucking reach.

00:32:47.680 I don't do that.

00:32:48.640 So that's why stretching.

00:32:49.860 But yeah, if you got a bad back, you should definitely there's protocols you can do that

00:32:53.000 will definitely help your back out for sure.

00:32:55.440 For sure.

00:32:56.060 Yeah.

00:32:56.440 No, I think I think maybe it is time, man.

00:32:58.680 I think I need some stuff that makes me feel.

00:33:00.500 Yeah.

00:33:00.720 I think just that kind of I think I could recently I realized I need to put more things

00:33:05.340 into my life that are just fun, you know, exciting, just new adventures that keep me

00:33:10.620 kind of like motivated and keep me doing things.

00:33:12.940 Yeah.

00:33:13.180 Like sometimes all I even do is just either podcasting or to stand up comedy and it's

00:33:16.840 great, but it's not like sometimes adding to my experience.

00:33:21.840 Yeah.

00:33:22.360 I love jujitsu because it's always you can always get better.

00:33:25.760 You always get tangled up.

00:33:26.960 You always get tapped out by somebody.

00:33:28.660 It's always evolving.

00:33:30.480 That's what makes it.

00:33:31.220 That's one of the things that makes it really cool is just how much it evolves all the time.

00:33:35.500 And it's you don't ever feel like I got this.

00:33:38.760 Never feel like that.

00:33:39.660 You always feel like I could get a little bit better.

00:33:41.340 Yeah, I like that.

00:33:42.880 Here's a guy that has something to say.

00:33:44.920 Theo, Max from Mississippi.

00:33:47.020 Yeah, bro.

00:33:48.000 Jocko, what was a light hunt for the first time with John Dudley, Cameron Haynes, Joe

00:33:52.560 Rogan, and Andy Stump?

00:33:56.220 Yeah, man.

00:33:57.140 Just got back from a hunt up in northern Utah, a bow hunt.

00:34:02.240 And I mean, you couldn't really ask for a better crew of people.

00:34:05.600 As you heard, he just rattled off.

00:34:07.540 Yeah, I don't know, Mr. Dudley, but Haynes is very intense.

00:34:10.500 He loves to hunt.

00:34:11.560 Yep, yep.

00:34:12.120 And Dudley's the same way.

00:34:13.920 And then Rogan, he loves to hunt.

00:34:16.000 And then Andy Stumpf loves to hunt as well.

00:34:18.800 It was my first time going bow hunting.

00:34:21.320 And yeah, it was awesome.

00:34:22.780 It was just awesome from the whole experience was awesome.

00:34:28.220 How nice was the place you guys went?

00:34:29.560 Was it a nice place?

00:34:30.400 It was a nice place.

00:34:31.640 And that's another thing.

00:34:32.640 So just to clarify, and people, there's like, you know how in different parts of the world,

00:34:41.620 different things in the world, there's like a little subculture in there, right?

00:34:46.020 Oh, yeah.

00:34:46.300 So like you're a comedian and I'm sure there's people that are like, well, you know, you got

00:34:51.160 such a good deal because you got to this thing and people look down on these.

00:34:55.560 So there's all that stuff.

00:34:56.620 I didn't really know too much about it, but you know, we got, I got the luck and the blessing

00:35:01.160 of going on a really awesome hunt.

00:35:03.180 Okay.

00:35:03.460 It's something called private land, which means not everyone can go hunt there.

00:35:08.320 So there's more animals than there is if you do something called a public hunt.

00:35:13.740 So public hunt is like you're out there and anybody can hunt there.

00:35:17.600 Right.

00:35:17.700 Maybe there's animals.

00:35:18.540 Maybe there's not.

00:35:19.380 Maybe there's somebody on drugs.

00:35:20.740 Maybe somebody's camping.

00:35:21.960 Yeah.

00:35:22.260 So you might go out for five, eight, 10 days.

00:35:25.200 You might not even see an animal and the animal that you're hunting for.

00:35:29.980 So I got really lucky, really blessed to, to be tied in with this group and, and go out

00:35:35.260 there and the hunt was awesome.

00:35:36.940 The whole experience was awesome.

00:35:38.620 There's something very primal, right?

00:35:43.260 About going for going hunting.

00:35:45.280 Kind of like for me, it's like jujitsu.

00:35:47.220 I would say there's something primal about doing jujitsu, right?

00:35:48.940 Like you're fighting, you know, when you were a little kid and you, you and your friends

00:35:52.580 would just get sticks and, and put on helmets and just go to go to war with each other.

00:35:59.320 Right.

00:35:59.520 I mean, that's what we used to do and that's what kid, that's what little boys do that.

00:36:03.320 Right.

00:36:03.860 So there's something primal and instinctive about just war.

00:36:09.080 Right.

00:36:09.920 Same thing with hunting.

00:36:10.820 So you're out, you're stalking, you're sneaking around.

00:36:13.780 It has a lot of correlations to my old job being in the Navy where you're, you're trying

00:36:18.080 to be quiet.

00:36:18.720 You're setting up tactics.

00:36:20.220 You're, you're trying to maneuver on these animals.

00:36:22.300 Yeah.

00:36:22.620 Just like you'd be maneuver on the enemy.

00:36:24.080 You've got a raccoon under a spotlight and you're like, tell us what you know.

00:36:26.920 Yeah.

00:36:27.920 Where them elk at, boys?

00:36:30.120 Where's the recycling bin?

00:36:31.340 Yeah.

00:36:31.760 Yeah.

00:36:32.460 So that was awesome.

00:36:34.240 And, you know, going up there, it was really nice for me because I'm very busy all the time.

00:36:39.220 I always got stuff going on and we got up there and like the internet didn't even, it worked.

00:36:45.520 Like there was one little hill you could go over where you'd get internet for, for three

00:36:50.960 minutes.

00:36:51.360 But I just, because of that, I just said, you know, I'm just going to shut this thing

00:36:55.080 off.

00:36:55.300 So it was really nice for me to be up there and, and then you have one mission, you know,

00:37:00.500 and that's, what's cool about, that's one of the best things about my old job.

00:37:04.940 You got one mission.

00:37:06.320 Wow.

00:37:06.600 You go on deployment, you pack up your bags, you leave the world behind and you have one

00:37:13.160 mission.

00:37:13.540 And that is to close with and destroy the enemy, take care of your guys.

00:37:17.100 That's what you're doing.

00:37:18.420 So that's what this, that's what my first experience of hunting was.

00:37:22.700 Okay.

00:37:23.540 My, I'm, I'm disconnected from the outer world and I have one mission.

00:37:27.840 So it was awesome.

00:37:30.160 Was it interesting?

00:37:30.960 Cause those are some big personalities.

00:37:32.280 I mean, those are like a big, you know, that's a unique group that you're with.

00:37:35.180 Oh yeah.

00:37:35.440 It's a, it's the thing is, I mean, all the, all those guys are just great guys, man.

00:37:41.440 Yeah.

00:37:41.880 You know, um, I've known, I've known Joe Rogan for a while and people, oh yeah, I'm sure people

00:37:46.500 ask you, what's he really like?

00:37:48.440 What's he really like?

00:37:49.620 And it's like, he's like just exactly what you see is what you get.

00:37:53.720 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 He's super nice guy.

00:37:56.060 Same thing with, I mean, Dudley has invested personally in like, he wanted me to get into

00:38:01.040 hunting and he gave me a bow.

00:38:03.360 And again, this is where it sounds crazy that I could be so lucky in my life that one of

00:38:07.740 the best archery, uh, hunters in the world would say, Hey, I want you to get an archery.

00:38:13.360 Here's a bow.

00:38:14.140 Let me teach you.

00:38:15.240 Cam Haynes, you know, Cam Haynes, same thing.

00:38:17.280 He was super cool.

00:38:19.000 Debriefing me on stuff.

00:38:20.080 And then my buddy, Andy stump, which, you know, Andy and I, we, we worked together a little

00:38:24.180 bit in the seal teams, but you know, I just being out there with one other seal, you know,

00:38:28.820 we have, we just have a connection that, you know, I, I, you know, you can only have with

00:38:33.340 that brotherhood.

00:38:33.980 So man, it was just, it was awesome.

00:38:36.500 I look forward to doing it again.

00:38:38.000 And for me, you know, you talked about getting in this new stuff for me, it was totally new.

00:38:43.880 I never shot a bow and arrow before.

00:38:45.440 And, and then I had the opportunity to, to train and then go out and do it.

00:38:49.540 So yeah, it was awesome.

00:38:50.640 And I appreciate, I appreciate everyone that I just mentioned in that group.

00:38:53.880 They're just great guys.

00:38:55.160 Was the experience where you, um, when you're, so when you're getting direction, like on something

00:39:00.400 you've never done, how is that for you?

00:39:02.740 Like coming from a place where it's like, you know, you were, you know, you're used to

00:39:06.160 having a good knowledge base of what's going on in your field or do you find yourself to

00:39:09.880 be a pretty good student?

00:39:10.720 Do you find yourself having a tough time being a student?

00:39:12.600 I'm, I'm all ears, man.

00:39:13.900 I have no problem.

00:39:15.020 I have no problem at all saying, look, I have no idea, you know, tell me what to do.

00:39:19.600 Tell me what to do from the get go.

00:39:21.320 There's no problem at all with that.

00:39:22.520 Uh, how'd you find the bowhunting?

00:39:23.800 Was it pretty tricky or did you find it was?

00:39:25.620 Yeah, no, it's definitely tricky.

00:39:26.880 It's definitely tricky.

00:39:28.160 How far could you shoot it?

00:39:29.080 I can see you just fucking uncle Rico and that bitch over the mountain.

00:39:31.640 You know, I can see you just being like, look how far, like Cupid, you know, really good

00:39:35.800 archer.

00:39:35.940 Like Cupid's been in an anytime fitness for a couple hundred years.

00:39:39.100 You know, I can see you just firing that thing.

00:39:41.000 Obviously the better, the better you are, the further range you can go, you know?

00:39:44.740 So, but I would say the average normal hunters probably trying to go 50 something meters,

00:39:51.440 you know, something like that is around, you know, that's, that's, that's me.

00:39:56.080 But yeah, there's, I'm trying to get, that's a little video of me trying to get tuned up

00:40:01.100 before I cut it out.

00:40:02.860 Regional collar.

00:40:05.720 And did you find like, did you start to notice that you lost, is it a really fine line between

00:40:11.620 like how accurate you can be and the amount of strength you're using and stuff like that?

00:40:15.880 It's not really a strength thing.

00:40:17.980 It's, it's technique, you know?

00:40:19.660 So this, you can't like, just like anything, man, just like anything.

00:40:24.720 I mean, jujitsu is not about strength.

00:40:26.260 Right.

00:40:26.460 That's, it's perfectly what you're saying.

00:40:28.160 Have you ever been rock climbing before?

00:40:30.160 Oh yeah.

00:40:30.980 Like rock climbing is so much technique.

00:40:34.100 So much.

00:40:34.880 And, and you think, oh, you know, cause I can do like, like for instance, I can do a

00:40:38.980 lot of pull-ups.

00:40:39.640 I do a lot of pull-ups.

00:40:40.500 I could see that.

00:40:40.980 And you think, oh, you know, you can just grab on the rocks and climb.

00:40:43.540 No, bro, no.

00:40:44.820 There's so much technique involved that you have to learn the technique just like basketball.

00:40:49.440 Just like playing guitar.

00:40:50.740 You have to practice.

00:40:51.560 You have to learn the technique.

00:40:52.620 And that's the same thing with archery.

00:40:54.060 And, and you just have to do it over and over again.

00:40:56.140 Like shooting a gun.

00:40:56.820 You got to do it over and over again.

00:40:58.060 You got to keep those reps in.

00:40:59.280 Did you find that as the, as the week progressed, the time you guys were out there, that it got

00:41:02.460 easier for you?

00:41:03.220 And did you find you?

00:41:04.200 Well, we weren't shooting a bunch.

00:41:05.460 We were patrolling through the woods, you know?

00:41:08.080 And that was cool.

00:41:09.060 Again, I was out with John Dudley, who's a master hunter and just, and it's, it's awesome because

00:41:15.260 you're on patrol and I keep calling it on patrol.

00:41:18.340 But yeah, I suppose it's called, we were hunting, we were walking, but for me, my mind, I was

00:41:25.180 on patrol, you know?

00:41:26.500 So it was good.

00:41:27.200 It was awesome.

00:41:27.740 You're like, what's that?

00:41:28.400 Oh, you're like, oh, that bison's from China.

00:41:30.380 You're like, I'm fucking shooting it.

00:41:31.960 Yeah.

00:41:32.480 Yeah.

00:41:33.180 Dude, imagine sneaking a jingle bell out there with you.

00:41:35.620 That would ruin everybody's vibe.

00:41:36.840 Did you have to be real quiet?

00:41:38.300 Yeah.

00:41:38.720 Yeah.

00:41:38.900 No, we weren't bringing jingle bells out there.

00:41:40.580 Even one bullfuckers shake the world up on a hunt.

00:41:43.960 No, gotta be careful of that.

00:41:45.520 Yeah.

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00:44:41.920 Um, what else we got, Nick?

00:44:44.900 So, uh, we had Jocko give some advice to Will.

00:44:48.060 Oh, yes.

00:44:48.800 He was a 22-year-old who knocked up his 19-year-old girlfriend, and he felt like he ruined her life.

00:44:53.720 And, uh, he actually had the baby at the end of August, and we were going to call and

00:44:57.300 check in with Will, assuming.

00:44:59.180 Yeah, because we played a good video, and you gave him some good suggestions and stuff.

00:45:01.960 We just wanted to check in with him.

00:45:02.960 We thought it would be, uh, just kind of a neat moment for him.

00:45:05.640 For sure.

00:45:06.200 Okay, cool.

00:45:07.320 We're going to call him right now, then.

00:45:08.820 Oh, we're calling Will.

00:45:10.180 I'm going to introduce you guys.

00:45:11.920 At least he's at work.

00:45:18.160 Hopefully he has a job.

00:45:19.140 He got off at five.

00:45:21.660 East Coast time.

00:45:23.980 He's in traffic.

00:45:25.540 He probably is.

00:45:26.820 With that baby probably crying.

00:45:29.660 Where's Dad?

00:45:31.560 Hello?

00:45:32.580 Hey, Will.

00:45:35.440 Hey, Will.

00:45:36.020 How's it going?

00:45:37.040 What's up, man?

00:45:37.620 This is Theo.

00:45:38.200 How are you?

00:45:38.680 Hi, Theo.

00:45:41.040 How are you?

00:45:41.620 Sorry, there's a baby screaming in the background.

00:45:43.940 I got a rocker.

00:45:44.820 This isn't screen.

00:45:45.900 Yeah, you got that O-Spring rocking back there, huh?

00:45:49.240 You got that plebe, I think they call him.

00:45:53.220 Dude, I just wanted to say thanks for reaching out a while back.

00:45:56.400 I know you were thinking that you had the kid on the way, and we had Jocko willing, we had

00:46:05.940 him offer up a video of some suggestions and stuff, and then I have Jocko here in the studio.

00:46:11.100 So I wanted to just kind of follow up and see how fatherhood's going for you.

00:46:14.700 And Jocko's got a couple of enlistees that have come out of his own scrotum, I guess,

00:46:20.840 to say the least.

00:46:22.140 Yeah.

00:46:22.600 I'll let my daughters know.

00:46:26.040 How's it going over there?

00:46:27.740 Jocko.

00:46:28.680 What's up, man?

00:46:29.420 It's going good, man.

00:46:31.200 What's up, Jocko?

00:46:31.980 How are you doing?

00:46:32.600 I'm doing awesome.

00:46:33.560 How about you?

00:46:35.740 I'm good.

00:46:36.540 First of all, I just want to say thanks for calling, Theo.

00:46:40.180 Thanks for calling, Jocko.

00:46:41.260 I'm really nervous to do this.

00:46:42.600 Dude, I'm nervous too, bro.

00:46:43.740 At least you don't have to sit by Jocko, bro.

00:46:45.600 It's extremely fucking nerve-wracking, bro.

00:46:48.080 It's like being in every high school class you've ever been in all at once forever, and

00:46:52.980 the teacher just wants to strangle you.

00:46:57.520 Dude, I was looking at his Instagram yesterday, and I was nervous.

00:47:00.700 It's very scary, dude.

00:47:01.640 I mean, I feel you.

00:47:02.700 I gained two pounds of muscle mass looking at his Instagram a couple of weeks ago.

00:47:08.100 But no, Jocko wanted to know, how's it going?

00:47:10.580 It's going really good.

00:47:14.460 It's really rewarding.

00:47:17.180 I mean, I'm loving it.

00:47:19.120 She's in my world.

00:47:21.960 So, I mean, obviously I'm very nervous to do this, so you might have to ask me more questions

00:47:28.700 to get me going.

00:47:30.140 Are you getting any sleep?

00:47:31.600 Yeah.

00:47:34.260 Okay.

00:47:34.580 I'm getting plenty of sleep.

00:47:35.820 I mean, I think people make being a father or parent out to be way harder than it actually

00:47:41.880 is.

00:47:42.300 I like it.

00:47:44.240 So far, it's been easy.

00:47:46.760 I mean, like, it's just a baby.

00:47:48.560 There's, like, all you really do is you cuddle with her, you feed her, change her diaper,

00:47:54.260 and, you know, that's it.

00:47:56.260 You just make sure she doesn't die.

00:47:57.980 Give her some love.

00:48:00.400 Well, I mean, it sounds like you're keeping her alive, so we got that going for us, which

00:48:03.900 is nice.

00:48:05.760 Yeah, I got proof right here.

00:48:07.260 What were some of your fears like, and have some of your fears gone away since the baby's

00:48:12.960 come into the world?

00:48:13.840 Like, what's some of that experience been like?

00:48:17.060 Oh, absolutely.

00:48:19.560 Before, I was just really worried about, I don't know, just providing for and just being

00:48:27.840 a good dad, because, like I said in the original calling, my dad wasn't there.

00:48:32.520 Like, I was afraid maybe when I met her that I would be just like him and just, like, just

00:48:39.600 get out of her life, but I always had this feeling that, like, I could be a good dad, but

00:48:46.620 I just wasn't sure.

00:48:48.020 So, I mean, after having her, it's just been super easy.

00:48:54.920 It feels super natural, and I don't know.

00:48:58.260 I mean, my fears have kind of gone away entirely, honestly.

00:49:01.940 Like, everything is so much better.

00:49:04.820 Well, that's like many things in life.

00:49:07.180 We build up the fears in our own head, and once we actually get put in a position, you

00:49:13.200 realize, hey, there's not that much to be afraid of, and you can proceed on and keep

00:49:18.120 doing a great job, man.

00:49:19.100 That's awesome to hear.

00:49:20.680 Yeah, it's pretty powerful, man, to think that, you know, that your life was, or your

00:49:24.340 childhood, some of it has been one way, and then to think that you are going to have

00:49:28.200 a new experience with your own kid.

00:49:29.960 That's real powerful to hear that, I feel like.

00:49:34.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:35.720 Thank you, man.

00:49:36.780 I think you should have one, Theo.

00:49:38.140 I think you should have a kid, because...

00:49:39.580 Oh, Jesus.

00:49:40.360 Man.

00:49:42.400 I probably should.

00:49:43.200 This shit's so easy, dude.

00:49:46.500 Think about taking care of a plant that's taking care of a kid.

00:49:50.980 Buy an orchid.

00:49:52.280 Okay.

00:49:53.460 I'll buy an orchid with a strong heartbeat and see how it plays out.

00:49:59.700 Yeah, same thing.

00:50:00.760 Same thing.

00:50:02.460 Yeah, Nick has a question for you, Will.

00:50:04.080 Nick?

00:50:04.280 So, you were worried about the implications for your girlfriend.

00:50:07.960 You said she had a bright future in front of her, either she was in law school or medical

00:50:11.860 school.

00:50:13.080 Do you guys...

00:50:14.140 Have you kind of made a plan where she can continue on and down that path?

00:50:17.460 Do you have that figured out?

00:50:20.020 Yeah.

00:50:20.520 So, originally, she was going to UMass Amherst.

00:50:24.040 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:50:25.620 A lot of chicks put out over there, too.

00:50:27.260 I'll tell you, that's the truth, bro.

00:50:28.660 Obviously.

00:50:29.200 Oh, dude.

00:50:30.000 Yeah, bro.

00:50:30.680 Easy, easy.

00:50:31.740 Sorry, sorry.

00:50:32.420 Not her.

00:50:32.920 I'm not her.

00:50:33.700 Not her, obviously, you know.

00:50:35.440 Well, she's the one with the baby.

00:50:36.860 Oh, yeah, sorry.

00:50:37.480 I mean, so you're kind of digging a hole here, bro.

00:50:40.220 Never mind.

00:50:40.860 Why don't you guys finish this question and answer?

00:50:42.640 Sorry.

00:50:43.520 Yeah, how are you feeling about, yeah, the concerns you had for your baby mama?

00:50:49.480 Well, obviously, that was my second main concern behind the baby.

00:50:54.560 Like, I just kind of felt like I ruined their life.

00:50:57.420 Like, you've got someone pregnant, and they have all these big things coming ahead.

00:51:02.300 But, yeah, we made plans.

00:51:04.300 Like, she's starting nursing.

00:51:06.080 Obviously, it's not med school.

00:51:07.900 But she did have to drop out of UMass to go to a local community college, which it still bothers me.

00:51:17.480 But, you know, we're really happy.

00:51:20.480 So, I think everything just kind of fell into place.

00:51:24.200 And we're making plans.

00:51:25.960 Like, she's doing nursing.

00:51:27.380 I'm finishing up my degree.

00:51:29.820 It's just, yeah.

00:51:32.000 I mean, I still feel bad about it, but it worked out.

00:51:35.480 Yeah, it sounds like it's working positively.

00:51:37.600 Nursing is a great job, man.

00:51:40.020 And plus, she gets a couple credit hours probably for nursing that baby.

00:51:43.240 You know what I'm saying, bro?

00:51:44.680 Blowing milk into that little monkey.

00:51:48.140 Dude, we should send him some of this.

00:51:49.380 You want to, Jaco?

00:51:50.180 Yeah, we definitely should.

00:51:51.960 Jaco has a new drink out that you can nurse as well.

00:51:54.560 So, we'll send you some of it.

00:51:55.460 It's actually really, really good, bro.

00:51:56.740 This pineapple coconut, I might fucking relapse, dude.

00:52:00.240 What is it?

00:52:01.080 Is it like caffeine, protein shake?

00:52:03.000 What kind of thing is it?

00:52:03.620 There's some caffeine in it, yeah.

00:52:05.080 It's like a little mind.

00:52:08.560 A little mind blast.

00:52:09.960 Yeah, I just got back into working out.

00:52:11.520 You can step it up.

00:52:12.740 Oh, yeah.

00:52:13.380 We've seen you a little bit of this mind blast.

00:52:16.280 Jaco called it.

00:52:18.540 But, dude, that's awesome, man.

00:52:19.800 It sounds exciting.

00:52:20.480 It sounds like you're definitely more in a position of, what would you say?

00:52:24.720 Well, what's cool to me is, look,

00:52:26.440 you have the vision of what the path of your life is going to be like, right?

00:52:31.580 Everyone's got this vision of what it's going to be like.

00:52:34.380 And the chances of you actually being able to stay on that path are next to none.

00:52:40.200 And if every time you get pushed off the path a little bit, you just surrender,

00:52:44.200 well, that's where you end up in a horrible place.

00:52:47.480 But what you did, and you're setting a great example for other people,

00:52:50.320 you and your girl have said, look, we had this path laid out.

00:52:54.320 Oh, we just got pushed off the path big time.

00:52:58.000 But guess what?

00:52:58.880 We're not surrendering.

00:53:00.200 We're just readjusting the path.

00:53:02.120 We're taking a little detour.

00:53:03.360 We're going to get back on eventually.

00:53:05.140 But the journey is still awesome.

00:53:07.800 So that's what life is about, man.

00:53:09.740 Nothing comes easy.

00:53:10.880 And you're going to look back, and you're going to be able to tell your little girl,

00:53:13.500 hey, this is what we did to bring you up.

00:53:17.460 And these are the sacrifices we made, and it was worth every second.

00:53:20.280 So what you're doing is awesome.

00:53:21.600 What your girl's doing is awesome, and the end result will be infinitely better

00:53:26.680 and more rewarding than it would have been had you just had everything served up to you

00:53:31.420 on a silver platter like you had originally thought it would be.

00:53:35.120 Yeah, and you know what's funny?

00:53:36.400 Will, obviously you haven't been listening to this whole episode because it's not even out yet,

00:53:40.480 but Jocko and I have been sitting here for about 40 minutes talking about stuff,

00:53:43.540 and a lot of it's been just how some of our behaviors, and even I struggle with this a lot,

00:53:48.940 but how some of our behaviors, once we start to set some new good behaviors for ourselves,

00:53:54.100 how it will influence the next behavior we do.

00:53:58.220 So yeah, man.

00:53:58.660 Like patterns, yeah.

00:53:59.620 Yeah, yeah, like just, yeah.

00:54:00.800 So the next thing that comes along for you, dude, I can't, after this,

00:54:03.960 it's probably going to be a damn cakewalk, bro.

00:54:05.680 You're going to have fucking, you know, funny bones on your feet.

00:54:08.380 You're going to have sugar on your shoes, bro.

00:54:09.860 This is going to be a cakewalk.

00:54:10.860 So, it's exciting.

00:54:13.080 You know, I heard this quote the other day.

00:54:15.320 I think it was Bill Belichick.

00:54:16.560 He was talking about something like, let's not just have a good day.

00:54:19.760 Let's have a good week.

00:54:21.020 Let's have a good month.

00:54:22.660 And like just building those patterns and those steps.

00:54:25.920 So, that really spoke to me and like everything Jocko was saying and what you're saying.

00:54:31.080 Like when Jocko was just speaking, I got the chills because like, damn, man.

00:54:36.300 Like that's inspirational.

00:54:37.860 Very alarming, man.

00:54:38.860 Yeah, it took a lot of what he said the first time and just now like it's pretty unbelievable

00:54:47.380 when you reach out and you hear these things.

00:54:51.120 Well, it's funny, man, because, yeah, I mean, I have some of the same fears in my own life

00:54:54.480 of having children and that sort of thing.

00:54:56.020 So, it's all kind of full circle, dude.

00:54:58.160 We're all out here just trying our best and stuff like that.

00:55:01.060 But thanks so much for calling in, man.

00:55:02.980 And, yeah, dude, you'll definitely won't get any sleep after we send you a case of this

00:55:08.060 Jocko's energy drink, bro.

00:55:10.640 Yeah, you know.

00:55:11.700 Wait, Theo, can I ask you one more question?

00:55:13.580 Yeah.

00:55:15.620 How's the quitting cigarettes going?

00:55:17.640 You haven't really talked about it.

00:55:18.940 That's true, man.

00:55:19.760 It's going pretty good.

00:55:20.440 I've had half of a cigarette in two weeks.

00:55:24.020 So...

00:55:24.420 Are you lying to me?

00:55:25.380 Nope.

00:55:26.620 I'm not.

00:55:27.260 Not feel...

00:55:28.260 Good man.

00:55:29.520 Good man.

00:55:30.280 I feel pretty good, man.

00:55:31.540 Dude, you know what you should have had?

00:55:34.240 You should have had a cigar with Bill Burr because that dude was pissed.

00:55:38.220 Yeah, that dude, trust me, bro, he already burnt me at a couple of my ends.

00:55:42.180 So, I don't need it no more.

00:55:43.880 No more.

00:55:44.980 Nothing else is getting lit up in this room.

00:55:47.100 Dude, after he smoked me when he was in here.

00:55:49.880 I felt like a fucking salmon.

00:55:53.620 What do you have for him, Jocko?

00:55:55.220 Thanks so much, too, Will, for answering, man.

00:55:59.000 And your daughter sounds beautiful.

00:56:00.140 Oh, dude, she is.

00:56:03.820 I actually sent your producer her little Instagram.

00:56:06.900 My girlfriend made an Instagram for her.

00:56:08.520 So, if you want to look at pictures of babies, then you got her.

00:56:12.400 She's balding.

00:56:13.300 She's got a mullet just like you.

00:56:14.380 Oh, she has a mullet?

00:56:15.140 I'm in.

00:56:16.100 I'm in, brother.

00:56:17.160 Dude, she's got a...

00:56:18.260 I'll post a nice picture of her mullet.

00:56:21.380 Dude, she might even be your kid.

00:56:22.880 I don't know.

00:56:24.600 Anything's possible.

00:56:25.700 Look, yeah.

00:56:26.460 Girls from Amherst or whatever it was.

00:56:28.020 That's true.

00:56:28.480 You never know, man.

00:56:29.740 Hey, I wrote a bunch of kids' books.

00:56:32.100 I'll send you out some kids' books for the little baby.

00:56:36.200 Thank you, man.

00:56:36.960 I appreciate that.

00:56:38.400 Yeah, and actually, one of them says right on the front where there's a will.

00:56:41.240 Mm-hmm.

00:56:42.040 Mm-hmm.

00:56:42.540 It's pretty cool.

00:56:44.020 Will, man, be good, dude.

00:56:45.060 We'll check in.

00:56:45.720 Oh, yeah, there she is right there, baby.

00:56:47.760 Oh, she is pretty.

00:56:49.680 And she does have a mullet.

00:56:51.080 Eliana.

00:56:52.020 Yeah, a lot of babies, very unattractive.

00:56:54.460 But this baby, pretty hot.

00:56:58.140 I mean, attractive for a baby.

00:56:59.440 Dude, you and producer Nick, dude.

00:57:03.400 Producer Nick last night, he was loving pictures of her.

00:57:06.000 I think he liked every single one on my Instagram.

00:57:09.620 Producer Nick's going to be, obviously, indicted soon.

00:57:13.280 I told Will I wasn't following back.

00:57:15.500 He DM'd me from this baby's account.

00:57:17.140 I was like, I'm not talking back.

00:57:18.140 That's not what you said.

00:57:21.000 Will, man, be good, dude.

00:57:22.100 We'll send you some of this stuff, man.

00:57:23.540 And we'll check in.

00:57:24.540 We'll check in on you and baby Eliana.

00:57:28.580 Sounds good, man.

00:57:29.620 Thanks for all you're doing.

00:57:30.920 Thanks, Jocko.

00:57:32.260 No problem, brother.

00:57:33.100 All right.

00:57:33.380 Stay strong.

00:57:34.060 Cheers, brother.

00:57:34.720 Yep.

00:57:37.120 Man, that's pretty cool, huh?

00:57:38.560 That is awesome.

00:57:39.680 That is awesome.

00:57:40.640 That's crazy because he called and he was like, he didn't.

00:57:42.920 He was like worried.

00:57:44.240 And then you hear the baby in the background and you're like, that's a live grenade, bro.

00:57:48.540 You're scared, huh?

00:57:49.580 Yeah.

00:57:50.180 I get pretty scared about that.

00:57:51.120 There's a lot of responsibilities.

00:57:52.260 Is that what you're scared of, you think?

00:57:54.060 Let me think about it for a second until I can really feel what I'm scared about.

00:57:58.680 I think I'm scared.

00:57:59.720 Or have you just not met the right girl?

00:58:06.760 I just don't know.

00:58:07.980 I just don't know if I want my life to change that much sometimes if I'm ready.

00:58:13.720 How old are you?

00:58:14.760 39.

00:58:15.440 Cool.

00:58:17.560 You know, part of that.

00:58:18.840 But then part of it, like, yeah, I just think about what am I scared of, man?

00:58:25.120 Because I just want to get it right because I think about it sometimes.

00:58:27.600 It sounds like, yeah.

00:58:33.360 I mean, the look on your face when you heard that, your eyes got big.

00:58:36.840 Like, you just went flashback.

00:58:38.860 Yeah, like somebody just made their own little Jurassic Park.

00:58:41.480 I just don't know if I'm ready.

00:58:45.100 Judging by the look on your face, my answer is negative.

00:58:47.980 You need to give it a little bit more time.

00:58:52.160 Yeah, I think, but I think I want to be a good parent.

00:58:55.780 I think sometimes I could use, and I don't know if this is a negative way to think about it,

00:58:59.000 but I could use a child because sometimes I think it would give, because I like to care

00:59:02.340 about other people.

00:59:03.040 It would give me something to care about.

00:59:04.780 Plus, your dad was like 87 when he had you, right?

00:59:08.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:08.340 So you're like, hey, I got all kinds of time.

00:59:10.400 What are you talking about, Jocko?

00:59:11.600 I'm over here on the slow roll.

00:59:14.280 We'll make this happen when it happens.

00:59:16.180 No factor.

00:59:18.120 Yeah, dude.

00:59:18.740 So if I even see a girl like, yeah, my dad was 38 years older.

00:59:23.620 So if I see like a nine-month-old, you know, even baby Ileana, I'm not hitting on her,

00:59:29.140 but I do want to know what her work ethic is like, you know?

00:59:32.300 I want to know what kind of woman she is.

00:59:34.000 You see some potential down the line.

00:59:36.760 Yeah, I'm thinking down the line, broski.

00:59:39.480 So that's pretty crazy.

00:59:40.700 We have a couple of more good questions that came in.

00:59:44.280 Let's do it.

00:59:49.140 Hey, how's it going?

00:59:50.100 This is Jace from Harriman, Utah.

00:59:53.880 Hey, quick question for Jocko, by the way.

00:59:57.460 This is my dog, Jocko.

00:59:59.400 Named Matt for you.

01:00:00.660 It's a cool name.

01:00:01.480 Handsome or adult.

01:00:02.280 Couldn't decide on anything else, so there you have it.

01:00:06.240 Anyway, Jocko,

01:00:08.400 from listening to your podcast and just some of the podcasts you've been on,

01:00:15.320 it seems to me as if you may be a little bit emotionally detached as well as very self-critical.

01:00:23.940 I find these two traits in myself to be very prevalent.

01:00:27.160 My question is, do you find that to be a benefit or detriment in your life?

01:00:32.700 Or on the personal side, I find it difficult sometimes to relate to my spouse, my kids, my friends, my family,

01:00:40.080 because I just simply do not understand where they're coming from on an emotional level.

01:00:44.520 So my question is, do you feel this way or have you figured out the balance between the two?

01:00:50.280 Any advice would be great.

01:00:51.500 Appreciate it.

01:00:52.160 Thank you guys for everything you do.

01:00:54.860 Thanks.

01:00:56.800 That's a good question, huh?

01:00:58.980 That's a good question.

01:01:00.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:00.400 You know, I definitely, this sounds like I'm a crazy person or whatever, but I try and keep control over my emotions,

01:01:11.000 as we've been talking about this whole time, right?

01:01:13.200 Like, I'm not going to fly off the handle.

01:01:16.240 You know, I don't yell at people.

01:01:19.120 I don't argue in big arguments with my wife.

01:01:22.180 In fact, I don't really even argue with my wife, you know?

01:01:24.240 Right.

01:01:24.600 Like, hey, if she's getting emotional about something, cool.

01:01:27.320 I just like accept the emotions, try and absorb a little bit, and then figure out how I can deescalate the situation.

01:01:33.760 You know what I mean?

01:01:34.340 Like, that seems to be the smart thing to do.

01:01:37.540 I don't think I'm too emotionally detached.

01:01:39.760 I mean, if you listen to my podcast all the time, you can hear sometimes I get very emotional when I'm on there

01:01:47.360 because I'm having memories of my friends or things like that.

01:01:51.200 And yeah, I'll get very emotional at times.

01:01:54.420 I won't let it get out of control, you know?

01:01:56.580 But so I don't think I'm too emotionally detached.

01:02:00.500 And then the other thing is being self-critical.

01:02:05.000 I, you know, I'm definitely critical of myself, but I think I've found a good balance there.

01:02:11.760 So what does that look like?

01:02:13.040 I mean, how do we measure that?

01:02:14.900 If you're just constantly beating yourself down, that is not positive.

01:02:19.780 So what am I going to be self-critical?

01:02:21.160 I will look at myself being so critical of myself that it's causing a negative reaction.

01:02:25.080 You're being too self-critical.

01:02:27.260 So balance it out a little bit, you know?

01:02:29.980 You've got to live your life.

01:02:31.280 So I always look at all these things.

01:02:34.600 And same thing when you talk about not relating to your family or whatever.

01:02:38.540 And I just told the guy this on Twitter.

01:02:41.080 You know, a guy's like, hey, I'm having a hard time relating with my family.

01:02:45.280 I'm trying to get after it.

01:02:46.240 I'm trying to, you know, be my best.

01:02:48.580 And they're not, you know, they don't get it.

01:02:50.960 And I'm like, hey, man, it's not about you.

01:02:53.720 The world doesn't revolve around you.

01:02:55.860 You got a family?

01:02:56.920 Cool.

01:02:57.280 You need to adapt your life around your family.

01:03:02.580 Here's something interesting that I said the other day.

01:03:04.680 Like I've written a bunch of books.

01:03:06.720 I wrote probably 95% of the pages in all my books when every single person in my family

01:03:14.400 was asleep.

01:03:15.900 You see what I'm saying?

01:03:16.780 I didn't sit there and, hey, everyone leave me alone because I'm trying to do this.

01:03:21.720 I work out in the morning.

01:03:22.660 Guess what?

01:03:22.900 No one's awake in my family when I'm working out in the morning.

01:03:25.060 No one's awake in the world.

01:03:26.520 So I sacrifice things so that I can be there and do what I got to do for my family.

01:03:34.680 I see.

01:03:35.260 So that's your journey.

01:03:36.280 That's right.

01:03:36.480 So your journey and what you're doing, they don't need to conflict.

01:03:40.920 Right.

01:03:41.620 Right.

01:03:41.860 I don't demand that everyone is on board the same bus that I'm on board.

01:03:47.680 Yeah.

01:03:48.200 Hey, I'll, I'll take, I'll get on the bus before I get on my bus and then I drive where I'm

01:03:53.960 going.

01:03:54.280 And then when my little, you know, when my daughter, my oldest daughter was a ballerina.

01:03:59.920 Jesus.

01:04:00.580 You know what that is?

01:04:01.460 Okay.

01:04:01.720 Yeah.

01:04:01.980 I've heard about it.

01:04:02.520 Yeah.

01:04:02.800 Yeah.

01:04:02.960 Yeah.

01:04:03.740 That's not my thing.

01:04:04.940 Right.

01:04:05.300 That's not, I'm not into that, but I went to some damn recitals.

01:04:10.180 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:12.160 And I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I could see you like 200 yards away with binoculars.

01:04:16.320 I can't make it to the recital.

01:04:17.740 I got to work out tonight.

01:04:19.560 I wasn't doing that.

01:04:20.400 I was like, oh, cool.

01:04:21.120 We're going to the recital.

01:04:22.060 Let's watch the kids.

01:04:24.040 And of course I was a little bit critical sometimes.

01:04:26.060 Cause I'd be like, what did they learn?

01:04:27.560 Yeah.

01:04:28.820 How did that help?

01:04:30.800 But you want something crazy?

01:04:32.200 That pirouette ain't going to stop a fucking bullet.

01:04:34.940 Here's what's funny.

01:04:35.920 My, my daughter, that was a ballerina got more injuries.

01:04:39.460 It's, you know, psycho ballet is insane.

01:04:41.420 It's, she got more injuries from ballet than my other daughter did from wrestling and gymnastics.

01:04:48.300 So it's a, it's a tough sport.

01:04:50.380 It's a highly, and that's what I, that's what I realized.

01:04:51.920 I said, Hey, you know what?

01:04:52.980 She likes it.

01:04:53.900 It's highly disciplined.

01:04:55.820 They're super strict.

01:04:58.200 She used to come home.

01:04:59.240 I used to have to, you ever seen those things, those like massage things that you roll out?

01:05:03.140 It's like little, little, uh, little rollers on a stick.

01:05:06.820 Yeah.

01:05:07.040 Yeah.

01:05:07.200 And she would come, she's like 12 years old, 12 years old.

01:05:10.960 She'd be like, can you roll out my calves?

01:05:14.020 And she'd be sitting there with tears coming out.

01:05:15.900 I'd be rolling those things out.

01:05:17.400 Cause that's trying to prevent the injury.

01:05:19.840 And now she's nine feet tall.

01:05:21.080 If you were rolling out the calves, bro, she probably got three foot of calves on each foot.

01:05:26.220 So like Charleston Jews going on down there below her knees.

01:05:31.380 Yeah.

01:05:32.200 So, so that's the thing.

01:05:33.820 I'm not, I'm not making the world.

01:05:36.140 This is the thing.

01:05:36.940 The world is not about you.

01:05:38.320 Right.

01:05:38.600 So you're not sacrificing the other things that you have to do and your other responsibilities.

01:05:43.920 Occasionally, you know what I mean?

01:05:45.020 Occasionally it's like, Hey, you know, maybe I don't need to watch 14 recitals in a row.

01:05:49.900 Right.

01:05:50.480 Cause you know, the kids will do the play or whatever.

01:05:52.680 And they show at night, whatever, six nights, not going to six.

01:05:56.520 Look, I'll be there at the nutcracker suite.

01:05:58.660 Right.

01:05:59.100 Holler when father Drosselmeyer's in the building, you know, otherwise I'm out.

01:06:03.260 But I think a part of, do you think though, that your, your mentality, cause you have to

01:06:08.300 have some elements of, you know, you have to have, I think probably more like grr than,

01:06:18.260 you know, do you think that it's tough sometimes to, is it tough to manage?

01:06:24.640 Which I think maybe, and I'm not saying that's not what he's asking you, but I'm just saying

01:06:27.740 like, here's the thing, what could he be struggling with?

01:06:30.680 You know, he, he said it at the end.

01:06:32.460 He said the word balance, right?

01:06:33.780 Right.

01:06:34.080 I wrote that book right there called the dichotomy of leadership there.

01:06:36.300 You, you have to balance all these different things in your life.

01:06:39.580 So, so as a leader, right, as a leader, as a leader, you gotta, you gotta communicate

01:06:45.240 with your people, obviously.

01:06:46.640 Right.

01:06:47.500 Can you communicate too much with your people?

01:06:49.140 Do you think you can?

01:06:49.840 Yes.

01:06:50.160 Oh yes, you absolutely can.

01:06:51.460 Where they stop listening to you.

01:06:52.740 Yeah.

01:06:53.240 If they, can you communicate not enough?

01:06:55.580 Yes, you can.

01:06:56.220 Now they don't know what's going on.

01:06:57.380 Yes.

01:06:57.520 You gotta be somewhere in the middle.

01:06:59.500 You know, everyone looks at me and goes, oh, you're super hyper aggressive.

01:07:02.720 Right?

01:07:03.280 Yeah.

01:07:03.460 Do you have to be aggressive as a leader?

01:07:05.280 Yeah, you do.

01:07:05.880 Cause you gotta make things happen.

01:07:07.540 Can you be too aggressive?

01:07:08.780 Oh yes, you can.

01:07:10.200 Yes.

01:07:10.380 Can you be not aggressive enough?

01:07:11.680 Oh yes, you can.

01:07:12.440 So where do you have to be?

01:07:13.200 You have to be in the middle.

01:07:14.400 You have to be in the middle.

01:07:15.260 And so it's the same thing with your, with your personal life.

01:07:17.700 I talk about this all the time.

01:07:19.300 If, if I'm okay, I want to, I want to build my business, whatever it is.

01:07:23.780 I want to do my job.

01:07:24.820 And the reason I'm doing that is I still, so I can make more money.

01:07:27.380 If I make more money, I can, can, can provide for my family.

01:07:30.160 So I'm doing this for my family.

01:07:31.500 So I'm going to work 89 hours a day.

01:07:35.640 Then you look up in six months, you look up in a year, you don't have a family anymore.

01:07:39.660 They don't know who you are.

01:07:40.760 So you went too far.

01:07:42.720 The other side of the spectrum is you're like, well, I can't do any overtime today.

01:07:46.720 Cause I gotta, I gotta go to the recital and the, the practice recital.

01:07:50.100 I won't be here tomorrow either.

01:07:51.140 And now you look up in six months or a year and you don't have a job and you can't provide.

01:07:54.900 So what do you have to do?

01:07:55.780 You have to find the balance.

01:07:57.000 You have to find the balance with how critical you are of yourself.

01:07:59.200 You have to find the balance of how detached you're going to be.

01:08:01.740 If you get to, you know, he talked about being emotionally detached.

01:08:04.260 Can you be too emotionally detached?

01:08:06.320 Absolutely.

01:08:06.680 You can, you looking at your kids like with a stone cold face all the time.

01:08:11.220 They can't connect with you.

01:08:12.320 Not just your kids.

01:08:13.540 If you work for me, if we were in a seal platoon together, which I know is an unlikely scenario,

01:08:18.620 but if we were in a seal platoon together and all I did was, was no connection, just said,

01:08:23.200 Hey, here's what, here's what the next mission is.

01:08:24.540 Go do it.

01:08:24.920 After a while, you're like, this guy doesn't care about me.

01:08:27.640 Right.

01:08:28.000 So you're not going to want it.

01:08:29.240 You're not going to put forth the extra effort.

01:08:30.820 So one of the most important things that you have to do with the people you work with up

01:08:34.920 and down the chain of command is form a relationship with them.

01:08:38.000 Same thing with your family.

01:08:39.680 If you're not forming a good relationship and maintaining a good relationship with your family,

01:08:43.100 you're going to look up and you're not going to have a family anymore.

01:08:44.920 And that's not good.

01:08:46.000 So with everything that we're talking about in life, you have to maintain balance.

01:08:51.440 You have to, when you get out of balance and you'll feel it, you'll feel it when you feel

01:08:55.480 it, when you feel like, Oh, my wife doesn't want me to, to, to, to go to jujitsu again

01:09:00.600 tonight.

01:09:01.220 You don't have to think my wife doesn't ever want me to do jujitsu again.

01:09:05.480 You can say, Oh, I have to ease back a little bit.

01:09:08.100 I got to, maybe if I'm going to go, I got to spend a little bit of extra time in the morning

01:09:12.420 or I got, you got to, you got to find the balance.

01:09:16.020 You don't have to go extreme one way or the other.

01:09:18.300 And that's what a lot of people do.

01:09:19.640 They go extreme in one direction and then anyone that's in their way, they mow them

01:09:23.760 down.

01:09:24.140 And that is not the longterm results of that is never good.

01:09:27.080 Yeah.

01:09:27.780 Yeah.

01:09:28.180 And I think leadership as well as leading, you're leading.

01:09:30.940 It's not just you, you know, with leadership, it's a group.

01:09:34.540 Yeah.

01:09:34.720 You're, there's more than just you involved.

01:09:38.440 And in the long run, if you're like, this is what's cool.

01:09:42.540 So this is kind of weird.

01:09:43.680 A guy asked me a little while ago, he says, he's a guy that we have a big event, a leadership

01:09:50.420 event.

01:09:50.920 We do it like two or three times a year and people come and this one guy, he helps us out

01:09:55.480 with it.

01:09:55.760 So I see him every time we do one of these really good guy.

01:09:58.180 He's got his own business.

01:09:59.140 Really, really good guy.

01:10:00.680 And he follows what I do.

01:10:01.840 And he sees that I'm writing 14 books and 97 podcasts and all the stuff I'm doing.

01:10:06.280 And he goes, you know, I've been watching how much you do, how much you produce, just

01:10:11.800 the raw production materials.

01:10:13.380 He says, I don't understand how you have enough time for your family.

01:10:18.980 Like, I don't get it.

01:10:20.520 How do you do it?

01:10:21.880 Or are you doing it well enough?

01:10:23.900 And I was like, you know, that's a good question.

01:10:25.860 And I didn't have, usually I'm, I'm like prompt with answers because I get asked questions

01:10:29.840 all day long.

01:10:30.580 Like, yeah.

01:10:31.580 And I said, you know what?

01:10:32.600 Let me think about it.

01:10:33.520 And I thought about it and what I realized was, and I came back to him the next day and

01:10:38.260 I said, I have an answer to your question.

01:10:39.540 He says, well, what is it?

01:10:40.740 And I said, I, my family at this point in time doesn't really need me that much.

01:10:52.700 My wife is like really independent and emotionally independent.

01:10:58.600 And she doesn't need, you know, she sees me and we're just totally good to go.

01:11:02.100 We have fun and she knows, oh, you're going to go do something.

01:11:04.920 Hey, I get it.

01:11:05.920 Right.

01:11:06.100 You know, my oldest daughter, she's completely, you know, she's 20 years old.

01:11:09.740 She's in college.

01:11:10.380 She's doing her own thing.

01:11:11.160 She's making things happen.

01:11:13.000 Actually, our kids, you know, she's at that age.

01:11:14.960 I know what you're trying to say.

01:11:16.180 Yeah, I was making a bad joke.

01:11:16.980 Yeah, it was really bad.

01:11:18.160 My 18 year old daughter, my 18 year old daughter, same thing.

01:11:21.200 Like she's on her own program.

01:11:22.420 She, you know, she'll text me and like, but she's, I have a 16 year old son.

01:11:26.120 He's on his own program.

01:11:27.420 He's fully self functional, like self supportive.

01:11:31.120 They don't need me.

01:11:32.900 And then the only one that's a little bit needy is, is my 10 year old.

01:11:36.660 Cause she's 10 and you know, she's still a 10 year old.

01:11:38.580 So, so that's where I can focus my efforts because she's younger.

01:11:41.920 So my point in saying all that is, is that through the years I balanced, you know, I would just constantly balance and, and, you know, raise the kids where they are self sufficient, where they aren't relying on me to do everything for them.

01:11:56.560 My wife, the same way.

01:11:57.560 My wife's not relying on, you know, my wife will handle stuff, you know, whatever it is, she can handle it.

01:12:02.300 Yeah.

01:12:02.400 You got to get a capable.

01:12:03.360 I mean, people, that's one thing.

01:12:04.220 If you pick an incapable wife, dude, that's going to be sheer.

01:12:06.580 And the most part of that capable is emotionally capable because when you end up with a, a spouse, whether it's the man or the woman that relies on you to make them feel good emotionally, that's the one that will pick you apart.

01:12:21.960 So you got to be careful.

01:12:22.820 That one's a good one to look out for.

01:12:24.060 So in the end of the day, I guess what I'm saying is you got to have balance.

01:12:27.000 You got to build a strong structure.

01:12:28.340 And the point I was going to say with this guy is, is Jace, you, while you're investing in your family, you're building them, you're making your family stronger so that they can stand on their own.

01:12:40.320 So that in the long run, you have more freedom in your life because you, you won't have this family unit that's totally relying on you for every little thing.

01:12:48.900 Yeah.

01:12:49.080 Which is, by the way, makes them better off in the world.

01:12:52.780 When they grow up, they go out and they dominate the world because they're capable.

01:12:56.380 Yeah.

01:12:56.600 Damn, dude.

01:12:58.880 Yeah.

01:12:59.160 I don't think anybody taught me shit growing up.

01:13:01.760 I don't know if I know.

01:13:03.480 Didn't you learn a lot of stuff from Daniel?

01:13:05.420 Well, Daniel was a fucking bad influence.

01:13:09.020 He was drinking hot hose water, bro.

01:13:11.480 First sip.

01:13:12.400 Oh, no, I know.

01:13:13.320 You know, I heard you talking on the podcast about how like your first girl is sort of like the hot hose water.

01:13:21.100 And I was thinking, well, that doesn't really make any sense.

01:13:22.960 And then I realized it does, because here's what happens with the hot hose water.

01:13:25.840 When you first take, when you first start drinking it, it's all hot and uncomfortable.

01:13:31.840 But then all of a sudden you get to the cold part and you're like, oh, yeah.

01:13:35.660 So it's the same thing with your first girl.

01:13:37.160 You're kind of like awkward.

01:13:38.180 It's all like doesn't taste good.

01:13:39.680 And all of a sudden you get kind of through that to the coldness.

01:13:42.940 And you're like, okay, this is good.

01:13:44.060 So, yeah, you do remember that first hose pipe.

01:13:47.420 Yeah.

01:13:48.380 Hit her.

01:13:50.780 Wow, Jocko's loving that hit her, man.

01:13:53.340 That's good, man.

01:13:54.700 Dude, one of my first girlfriends had real short hair, dude, and she looked like a young man, you know.

01:13:59.880 And I don't know if I really wanted to be her boyfriend, but I don't know if I had a choice.

01:14:03.580 Yeah, you were just a pawn.

01:14:05.480 Oh, bro, she used to, when the school bus would come, it would bring my brother and his friends from the bigger school and they'd pick us up after.

01:14:11.440 She would pick me up and start making out with me.

01:14:15.780 Bro, it was so fucking embarrassing.

01:14:18.640 And sometimes I would wrap my legs around her.

01:14:20.520 I didn't know what else to do, bro.

01:14:23.520 And they would fucking call us all kind of names and shit.

01:14:27.180 How old was she compared to you?

01:14:28.900 I don't know, man.

01:14:29.140 I don't know.

01:14:29.720 Yeah, I think, I don't even know if she went to our school.

01:14:34.420 It could have been a woman.

01:14:37.520 But God, man, that was fucking, everybody has their Vietnam, you know.

01:14:42.240 That shit was insane, man.

01:14:44.580 Let's pick one more going for Jocko, Nick.

01:14:47.120 All right.

01:14:48.520 One quick Patreon, and then we'll end on a video question.

01:14:52.400 This is from Jacob Wells.

01:14:54.100 What war movie or TV show is the most realistic based on his combat experiences?

01:14:58.640 Oh, that's great.

01:14:59.180 And Jacob Wells, I actually know him.

01:15:00.720 And he's from, he has like nine brothers and sisters.

01:15:04.500 And I've met him at a group of shows from Oklahoma.

01:15:07.840 Anyway.

01:15:08.360 He should have a podcast.

01:15:09.240 He has great questions.

01:15:10.320 Like, almost every week I want to pick his question.

01:15:12.940 He's a really neat guy.

01:15:14.160 Yeah.

01:15:14.600 So what's the?

01:15:15.700 There's an HBO miniseries.

01:15:18.440 There's two of them.

01:15:19.120 One of them's called Band of Brothers, which you may or may not have seen.

01:15:22.800 It's about the European theater.

01:15:24.440 It's about the first 506, or the second 506 battalion and fighting and easy company.

01:15:28.580 It's fantastic from a leadership perspective, from a tactical perspective.

01:15:32.920 That one's awesome.

01:15:34.140 And then they made, a few years later, they made one for the Pacific theater, which is

01:15:38.320 called The Pacific.

01:15:40.140 And it's based on several books, which are outstanding books.

01:15:43.700 I've covered all the books that that series is based on on my podcast.

01:15:47.920 It's called The Pacific.

01:15:49.120 It's about the Pacific Island campaign.

01:15:50.820 And the first time I watched it, I was, I was, I remember I was on a plane and I had

01:15:56.720 like the noise canceling headsets on and I was staring at like my iPad.

01:16:01.800 Was it a C-130?

01:16:02.940 No, no, no.

01:16:03.480 I was in the civilian.

01:16:04.260 I was already a civilian.

01:16:05.020 So I was staring at this thing, you know, four inches from my face.

01:16:08.160 So I was super absorbed in it.

01:16:09.880 And what, what they did in that, what, what makes me always remember how impactful that,

01:16:15.940 that series was to me was they land on this Island and you're expecting this big, crazy

01:16:22.320 battle to break out, but it doesn't.

01:16:24.440 And so it's showing them patrolling through the jungle.

01:16:27.420 They're patrolling, basically looking for the Japanese and the Japanese, you know, had

01:16:30.920 decided that.

01:16:31.640 No, they had decided that they were going to let the Americans land and then hit them.

01:16:37.480 So these scenes where they're just patrolling through the jungle and you, and you know that

01:16:43.260 they're waiting, you're waiting for the enemy to attack.

01:16:46.680 And when I, my, my last deployment to Iraq, I was in this place called Ramadi.

01:16:51.540 And when you would walk down the streets or I'd be watching my guys walk down the streets

01:16:57.020 or watching some soldiers or watching some Marines.

01:16:59.120 And the whole time you're watching, you're, you're waiting, you're just waiting for the

01:17:04.740 enemy to attack and you're waiting for bullets to come down the street.

01:17:08.880 And so I had watching that, I had that same kind of anxiety and that's when I realized how

01:17:16.140 powerful that, that mini series is.

01:17:19.360 So those two are great.

01:17:21.420 And those are, those are probably my favorite, uh, war.

01:17:26.000 I don't want to call them movies, but they're scenes or, or it's a mini series.

01:17:31.260 That's what it is.

01:17:31.860 Right.

01:17:32.620 Yeah.

01:17:33.060 I can, yeah, I can, uh, I can really imagine that if it, if it can take somebody like you

01:17:37.760 kind of to that place with that tension, it's so interesting.

01:17:40.740 It's like, yeah, combat is one thing, but that the energy before something happens sometimes

01:17:47.360 is so severe.

01:17:48.800 Knowing someone's intent, knowing someone else kind of knows that intent, but they don't

01:17:53.920 really know where the, the intersection is going to occur.

01:17:57.480 Just that kind of milling around.

01:17:59.420 Yeah.

01:17:59.900 And like we just talked to will the anticipation of something is always worse.

01:18:04.720 Yeah.

01:18:05.140 And so when you know that it was coming and when, when you were on patrol in Ramadi, you

01:18:10.780 knew it was coming, you knew it was coming.

01:18:13.120 And so the, it's just that anticipation.

01:18:15.860 And from a leadership perspective, your biggest fear for my biggest fear was always, you know,

01:18:21.280 one of my guys guys.

01:18:22.380 Yeah.

01:18:22.760 And that's, that's, it's the, it's a sickening feeling in your gut and there's nothing you

01:18:26.900 can do about it.

01:18:27.720 I mean, you do everything you can to mitigate risk, but you just, you, you just, and I had

01:18:32.260 that same feeling watching the, the scenes from the Pacific where they're patrolling through

01:18:37.780 the jungle.

01:18:38.320 If a guy gets hit, do they look at you?

01:18:41.480 It depends on the situation, right?

01:18:43.640 It depends on the situation that whoever that leader is in that moment is going to step up,

01:18:47.700 make calls, make things happen.

01:18:48.880 It might be the youngest guy.

01:18:50.280 Depends who's there.

01:18:51.260 Was there ever a moment where you had ordered guys into a certain situation and, and something

01:18:55.660 happened and you're like, and it fell on you kind of, or the guy looked at you even

01:19:00.400 after he'd been hit.

01:19:02.880 So the weird thing about special operations for us on that deployment was if every mission

01:19:13.680 that we did was a mission that I had said, yes, we should do this.

01:19:18.980 Okay.

01:19:19.620 So that's every one of these situations where one of my guys got wounded or one of my guys

01:19:25.760 got killed, it's a hundred percent on me.

01:19:28.940 I mean, it's a hundred percent because I'm the one that's approving the plan.

01:19:33.440 I'm the one that's saying, yes, this is what we're going to do.

01:19:35.780 And that's, that's one of the, that's one of the different types of stress that you get

01:19:40.120 in, in a special operations.

01:19:41.800 Cause in a conventional unit, generally not always, but they're, they're getting a little

01:19:46.940 bit more tasking from higher.

01:19:48.840 Hey, here's what you guys are going to do.

01:19:50.400 You can figure out how you want to do it, but this is what you're going to do.

01:19:52.480 So no one was really tasking me most of the time.

01:19:55.460 It was my guys coming up with plans.

01:19:57.660 Hey, this is what we think it was me doing.

01:19:58.840 Me saying, yeah, it's a good plan.

01:20:00.900 So yeah, that's something that you, you're right there with them.

01:20:03.600 You're not getting a golf cart or something.

01:20:05.000 It depends on the, it depends on the situation.

01:20:06.800 I mean, I had basically 40 seals.

01:20:11.080 Sometimes they were in elements as small as five guys and they'd be out there.

01:20:14.700 Sometimes I have three or four elements out on the battlefield at the same time.

01:20:17.920 I would be back in a tactical operation center.

01:20:20.080 Sometimes I'd go, if it was a big, giant kind of combined operation where we were working

01:20:24.600 with a lot of different units, I'd go out with them.

01:20:26.940 Sometimes I'd go out with them just to go out with them.

01:20:28.940 But sometimes the best place, most of the time, the best place for me to control what

01:20:32.960 was happening was in a tactical operation center.

01:20:35.140 That's just the way it is.

01:20:36.260 Yeah.

01:20:36.460 And so, yeah, it's, it's one of those things that as a leader, I mean, you're, you're ultimately

01:20:44.680 responsible for everything that happens and that's a, that's a heavy burden to bear.

01:20:47.920 And it's the one that's, it's one that you're going to have to live with for the rest of

01:20:51.060 your life.

01:20:51.380 And it's, it's one that I wake up with every single day and I'll, I'm not, I'm not mad

01:20:57.040 about that.

01:20:57.580 I'm not mad about that burden.

01:20:59.520 In fact, to me, that burden is, is a reminder of the guys that made the ultimate sacrifice.

01:21:05.280 And I'm honored to have had the experience of serving with them.

01:21:10.120 Yeah.

01:21:11.280 Man.

01:21:11.920 Yeah.

01:21:12.120 I can't imagine just the, uh, just the camaraderie, the, the repercussions of such severe camaraderie

01:21:23.160 as going, uh, to war with people, you know, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's something that

01:21:30.300 I, yeah, I couldn't even imagine, you know, it's something that I could even recreate emotionally

01:21:34.400 or inside of my own brain, really, you know, it's, it's, it's pretty fascinating because

01:21:39.880 it's so severe.

01:21:41.800 Um, it's just such a, there's such a finale, this, your finality is right there on the line.

01:21:49.180 Um, yeah, and you do, you develop the strongest brotherhood with the people you're on the

01:21:58.340 battlefield with.

01:21:59.120 And we were working with alongside soldiers and Marines all the time and the, the relationships

01:22:04.300 that we developed with them, you know, every time someone gets, which in Ramadi, there was

01:22:09.160 a guy get, there was guys getting wounded and killed every day, you know, and you're going

01:22:12.520 to their memorial services and you're seeing, seeing the, the angel flights, which they call

01:22:18.140 them as, which is when they, they, they take their bodies out on the last, you know, on

01:22:21.180 their last helicopter ride home.

01:22:22.620 And yeah, it's, it is, it's very severe.

01:22:27.140 And it's one of those things that, I mean, there's nothing for me, there's nothing else

01:22:34.220 will ever compare with all that.

01:22:36.680 There's just nothing, nothing in life will, will impact me as much, leave me with as much

01:22:43.220 pride.

01:22:43.700 And at the same time, as much sorrow as those days for me.

01:22:49.760 And that's the way most guys end up feeling about the, about being in the, being in the

01:22:55.200 military and going overseas on deployment.

01:22:57.160 Did it go into experiences like that where people are losing their lives and people are

01:23:02.160 losing their abilities and their capabilities in war and in, you know, in combat, does, did

01:23:08.900 it, has it adjusted your faith at all over the years or has it affected that at all?

01:23:13.960 Or has it created it or, you know, the biggest thing is from what I've seen, right?

01:23:22.100 When you see, when you're in war, you get to see the absolute best in human beings and

01:23:30.540 you get to see the absolute worst in human beings.

01:23:32.320 I mean, we saw unspeakable evil, right?

01:23:37.240 So if you want to talk about Satan, you want to talk about pure evil, you, when you go to

01:23:42.140 war, you get to see it.

01:23:43.380 You, when you face an enemy, like, like the insurgents in the battle or Monty that were

01:23:48.380 doing the most heinous things that you can imagine, then you realize that evil absolutely exists

01:23:55.200 and whatever you want to attach that to, you can do it because it's there.

01:23:59.740 And at the same time, you also get to see, you get to see humanity that's making sacrifices

01:24:07.960 above and beyond anything that a normal human being would do pure good.

01:24:14.880 And so from a faith perspective, what you get to see with your own eyes is evil, pure evil,

01:24:22.980 and you get to see pure good.

01:24:24.820 And that, I think that leaves an impact on everybody and definitely left a, left a mark

01:24:29.160 on me for sure.

01:24:31.900 Um, what you got, Nick, the last video?

01:24:34.880 Sure.

01:24:35.660 Uh, let's do a super quick one.

01:24:37.700 That'll be a really quick answer just cause I'm curious as well.

01:24:39.980 And then end on a one that he can expand on actually.

01:24:43.240 Okay.

01:24:46.200 Hey, what's up, Theo?

01:24:47.200 This question's for a Jocko.

01:24:48.920 I was wondering what your best powerlifting numbers were ever and what your powerlifting

01:24:52.720 numbers are currently.

01:24:54.040 Damn.

01:24:56.660 Dang.

01:24:57.180 This guy's trying to be your chef or something.

01:24:58.900 This guy's trying to spot you.

01:25:01.440 Uh, my, my traditional answer when people ask me what, what kind of weights I'm lifting

01:25:08.540 is not enough.

01:25:11.200 Dang.

01:25:12.140 You know, cause you're always trying to get better and trying to get stronger.

01:25:15.220 Uh, yeah, of course you are.

01:25:16.580 Yeah, well, at least I am.

01:25:19.400 So let's see.

01:25:21.620 I think that the most I've ever deadlifted, you know, that this is another, uh, big, you

01:25:26.140 know, you're asking me what people think when they meet me.

01:25:28.740 Oh, people don't try to ask this all the time.

01:25:30.500 No, they, they ask all this all the time.

01:25:31.740 They also think that I'm some superhuman athlete, which I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

01:25:35.800 And I, I've explained this over and over again.

01:25:38.020 I wasn't the fan.

01:25:38.940 I'm not the fastest.

01:25:39.700 I'm not the strongest.

01:25:40.960 Um, I wasn't like, I'm not this super athlete.

01:25:44.580 And I explained that to people all the time.

01:25:45.660 Even jujitsu people like, Oh, that guy could never get tapped out.

01:25:49.400 Come to my gym.

01:25:49.980 Watch me get tapped out.

01:25:50.840 Like it's, it's the reality of it, you know?

01:25:53.420 Uh, but yeah, to try and answer this guy's question without avoiding the question or whatever.

01:25:58.660 I mean, I hardly be honest.

01:26:00.820 Jocko.

01:26:01.160 Yeah.

01:26:01.580 I hardly had two cans of this.

01:26:03.220 I hardly, I hardly ever, I hardly ever bench press anymore because, because, uh, I don't like

01:26:09.600 because you're an adult.

01:26:10.500 Yeah.

01:26:10.900 Well, I don't like what it does to my shoulders.

01:26:12.460 Yeah.

01:26:13.200 Um, I know deadlift.

01:26:16.980 The most I've ever deadlift is five, 500 Jesus, which is, no, it's not.

01:26:23.260 That's, that's on five.

01:26:24.780 Yeah.

01:26:25.020 That's, that's, I don't know what I'd be deadlifting today.

01:26:27.780 Um, even though, you know, I deadlift on the regular, you know, but I'll do, I'll do,

01:26:33.560 I'll do.

01:26:34.040 Yeah.

01:26:34.240 You know what it's like.

01:26:35.080 Of course, man.

01:26:35.920 Yeah.

01:26:36.680 Uh, squat is another one.

01:26:38.920 I mean, you know, you know, this is one of those ones where from a power lifting perspective,

01:26:43.140 I don't know what the actual number would be.

01:26:46.820 Cause like when I squat, I, I, I go all the way down, like into the hole and all this.

01:26:52.360 You really do it.

01:26:53.080 Yeah.

01:26:53.280 Well, no, I'm not, not saying that.

01:26:54.580 It's just that that's what I do.

01:26:56.160 Right.

01:26:56.320 Um, I don't even know what my numbers would be right now.

01:26:59.880 Would you have three plates on each side?

01:27:01.120 You think?

01:27:01.980 Yeah.

01:27:02.500 Yeah.

01:27:02.840 Oh yeah.

01:27:03.340 Yeah.

01:27:04.320 Yeah.

01:27:05.480 I used to do two and a half plates.

01:27:06.580 That's three 15.

01:27:07.720 Um, but yeah, dude, to answer your question, I'm not, I'm not some super strong dude.

01:27:11.460 You're probably strong.

01:27:11.980 If you're working, if you're a power lifter, you're stronger than me.

01:27:13.840 I'm not like, well, not you.

01:27:15.540 Yeah.

01:27:16.100 I know that.

01:27:16.660 Even if you were a power lifter, you would be stronger than me.

01:27:18.440 Yeah.

01:27:18.600 Well, I mean, you never know, bro.

01:27:20.640 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:21.060 You think you could take me in a minute, bro, if I'm in a fucking slick suit, bro.

01:27:24.200 I'm trying to think of what the most I benched ever was.

01:27:26.220 It's not some huge number.

01:27:27.420 It's funny.

01:27:27.900 When I was at seal team two, there was a guy in my platoon who was this little short guy.

01:27:32.400 He looked kind of chubby.

01:27:34.260 And I actually went through seal training with him and he was, he could run faster than me

01:27:39.620 and he could bench more than me.

01:27:41.860 Yeah.

01:27:42.420 This little, and he was a great guy.

01:27:43.900 He's a great seal.

01:27:44.600 But, you know, if you looked at the two of us, you'd be like, oh, yeah, Jocko could

01:27:48.740 crush this guy.

01:27:49.200 No, he could run faster than me and bench more than me, you know?

01:27:53.020 Do you think at some point it comes down to this, like, people's, there's something different

01:27:57.320 in certain people's muscles, the way their bodies are built?

01:27:59.880 For sure.

01:28:00.560 There's, you heard a fast twitch muscle and slow twitch muscle.

01:28:03.700 There's another kind of muscle called medium twitch muscle.

01:28:05.840 Oh, yeah.

01:28:06.440 And that's what I have.

01:28:08.220 My muscle, I know, likes to watch cold pace files.

01:28:10.740 I've definitely noticed that, bro.

01:28:12.440 I have, I have a lot of what's called medium twitch muscle.

01:28:16.220 So if I put a rucksack on, I can go for a long time and not get tired.

01:28:21.960 I can almost, I can pretty much run with that.

01:28:24.080 But I would lose in a, in a marathon.

01:28:27.620 Right.

01:28:27.840 And I would lose in a sprint.

01:28:29.200 But if you put me with a rucksack on, I can go, I can go for a really long time.

01:28:33.600 It's good for grappling, like not wrestling, because wrestling is super explosive.

01:28:38.100 Yeah.

01:28:38.300 But for jujitsu, for a long, like you want to roll for 40 minutes, I'm good.

01:28:42.800 And I'll, I'll stay steady that whole time.

01:28:45.020 What professional wrestler did you ever see?

01:28:46.620 And you're like, oh yeah, I'm like that guy.

01:28:48.220 I don't, I, you know, I've never really got that into wrestling.

01:28:50.700 Yeah.

01:28:51.080 Into professional wrestling.

01:28:52.740 If you threw some names out, I might be able to remember one or two.

01:28:55.560 I met Hulk Hogan one time.

01:28:57.120 You did?

01:28:57.460 He was large.

01:28:58.580 Was he?

01:28:58.880 Yeah, he's big.

01:28:59.780 He, like, I guess they all, you, you, you lose perspective when you see him on TV, but he's,

01:29:06.360 he's, he was a really big guy.

01:29:07.800 Yeah.

01:29:09.160 Dang.

01:29:09.580 I think, um, uh, yeah, I think his daughter had to crush on me for a little bit, but I

01:29:13.300 could be making that up.

01:29:14.340 But, um, here, this guy has a question.

01:29:16.420 Cool.

01:29:17.780 Jacko, Theo, first things first.

01:29:20.640 This stuff is amazing.

01:29:22.260 Oh, wow.

01:29:22.680 It is good.

01:29:23.180 Question is if a guy is upper twenties, early thirties, is it even worth considering enlisting

01:29:33.840 and contributing to eventually the NCO core?

01:29:38.400 Or would you recommend every time to go the officer route and to make this a little bit

01:29:43.620 more broad of a question for the general audience?

01:29:46.280 Um, would, how would you apply this question to a generic entry-level position at a large

01:29:55.260 organization that's been established for a long time or trying to just go in straight to a

01:30:01.440 management position?

01:30:04.260 Do you understand that question, Theo?

01:30:06.360 Um, I do, but I want to make sure that you do.

01:30:09.000 I guess he means, no, I don't.

01:30:11.100 Okay.

01:30:11.260 So in the military, there's basically two, it's like a caste system.

01:30:15.980 Okay.

01:30:16.180 Right.

01:30:16.540 There's officers.

01:30:17.780 Yep.

01:30:18.620 And there's enlisted people.

01:30:19.800 Officers are like the prescribed leaders.

01:30:23.220 Okay.

01:30:23.640 And there's enlisted people, which are the prescribed grunts.

01:30:27.100 Okay.

01:30:27.340 Now within the grunts, there's a rank structure and you can advance up that rank structure on

01:30:32.300 the enlisted side.

01:30:33.120 On the officer side, there's same thing.

01:30:34.680 You advance as you go forward.

01:30:36.100 Like an EA, E4, E3.

01:30:37.720 Yeah, that's, that's the enlisted side.

01:30:38.780 Okay.

01:30:39.160 So you start off as an E1.

01:30:40.640 Yeah.

01:30:41.000 And then you go up through E10, E9.

01:30:44.300 I'd be an E-walk, I think.

01:30:45.480 Yeah.

01:30:45.900 For a while.

01:30:46.680 I'd be doing that.

01:30:47.580 The officer, same thing.

01:30:48.560 Now, the only difference between these two people is the officers went to college.

01:30:52.440 That's what happens.

01:30:53.300 So if you go to college, you can go in as an officer.

01:30:55.480 It's not guaranteed, but you can go as an officer.

01:30:58.140 What I did, I started off enlisted and I got picked up for this awesome program and got

01:31:03.700 moved over to the officer side.

01:31:05.140 So I got to do both.

01:31:06.420 So his question is, he's a little bit older.

01:31:09.600 Should he try and become an officer?

01:31:12.800 And, or if that doesn't work, or should he go enlisted?

01:31:15.600 Maybe not if it doesn't work.

01:31:16.420 Because I was going to say, here's what you should do.

01:31:18.280 You're older.

01:31:19.100 You got some experience in life.

01:31:20.080 If you can try and become an officer, that's fine.

01:31:22.500 If you can't, because it's more selective to become an officer immediately, go into the

01:31:28.320 enlisted situation.

01:31:29.880 The other question that people ask me a lot when they're 29, 30 years old, they got a life,

01:31:33.820 they got a family, they got a job, but all of a sudden they wake up one day and say,

01:31:36.940 man, I don't feel like I've sacrificed.

01:31:39.760 I don't feel like I've given enough to the country.

01:31:42.460 I want to do something.

01:31:43.180 Yeah.

01:31:43.240 I remember asking you that last time we were on.

01:31:44.800 Yeah.

01:31:45.260 And I probably gave the same answer, which is go in the, check out the reserves, go

01:31:49.120 and see, go in the national guard, go in the army reserves, go in the Marine Corps, go

01:31:52.920 in the reserves.

01:31:53.620 So where you do one weekend a month and two weeks in the summertime.

01:31:57.640 Now you have to remember that you could get called up when we got to the battle of Ramadi,

01:32:01.980 that whole area was controlled by reservists from, you know, guys that were in the national

01:32:07.520 guard.

01:32:07.880 It was national guard unit out of Pennsylvania.

01:32:09.840 They were total studs, but you, and they were there for 14 months, I think.

01:32:14.800 Fighting.

01:32:15.540 So, you know, these guys were teachers and plumbers and electricians and whatever.

01:32:20.040 And all of a sudden they were there.

01:32:21.640 Sculptors.

01:32:22.280 Yeah.

01:32:22.440 So it can really happen.

01:32:23.800 You can't just think, oh, it'll never happen.

01:32:25.440 No, it can absolutely happen.

01:32:27.360 But I think that's a good thing to do.

01:32:29.420 And as far as which one you should go into, I mean, I love the fact that I went in as a

01:32:35.820 grunt and came up and learned.

01:32:38.780 Right.

01:32:38.880 There's something romantic about that kind of.

01:32:40.740 Yeah.

01:32:40.960 There's some.

01:32:41.320 Well, there's just this.

01:32:42.020 In a weird way.

01:32:42.460 I guess if you're weird, but there's also some factual things, right?

01:32:48.980 You learn what it's like.

01:32:51.520 You learn from the front lines what it's like to be a grunt.

01:32:54.560 So now when you get moved over to the officer, you can at least you have the experience and

01:32:59.620 you understand it.

01:33:00.660 But that being said, there's great.

01:33:04.200 That's called a prior enlisted officer.

01:33:06.100 There's some prior enlisted officers that are awesome because they have that experience.

01:33:09.640 There's also some prior enlisted officers that are just as bad as any other officer.

01:33:14.240 And there's officers that never were enlisted that are fantastic.

01:33:17.560 It really boils down to you and your personality and your leadership capabilities.

01:33:21.840 That's what's going to make you good or not.

01:33:23.480 Not the experience you have.

01:33:24.500 Just like, you know, there's some colleges like the Naval Academy or the Air Force Academy

01:33:28.340 or West Point.

01:33:29.800 Citadel.

01:33:30.560 Citadel.

01:33:31.060 You go to four years learning how to be a military man or military woman.

01:33:35.920 And you might think, and I know I thought this.

01:33:38.800 I thought, man, those guys are going to be so good because they have all this knowledge.

01:33:44.220 It's not true.

01:33:45.200 There were some great ones.

01:33:46.360 There's also some bad ones.

01:33:47.320 There were some great guys that went to 13 weeks of officer candidate school and then

01:33:51.320 were an officer and they were awesome.

01:33:52.620 Some of them were not awesome.

01:33:54.340 So what really matters is what you bring to the table.

01:33:58.520 That's what matters the most.

01:33:59.520 I remember the ROTC kids.

01:34:01.200 They used to just end up, they all bought race cars and used to race them out back of

01:34:04.360 the school and everything.

01:34:05.320 And then half of them didn't do shit, I don't think.

01:34:09.700 But do you think if we fought?

01:34:14.600 That was a dead end if there ever was one.

01:34:17.320 Tell me about it, dude.

01:34:18.500 I mean, not just their personalities, but that whole story.

01:34:21.400 It kind of sunk my heart a little bit.

01:34:23.980 I expected it to go somewhere and then it just went to silence and we were good.

01:34:28.700 Me too, man.

01:34:29.700 Yeah, that's one of those things you scratch off the list of things to talk about.

01:34:35.340 Dude, look, trust me.

01:34:36.720 When I put that idea in the first gear, I was ready to move it to second.

01:34:40.680 It sounded good out of the gate, but man, it went downhill quick.

01:34:44.920 If we fought aliens or when we fight aliens.

01:34:48.160 Yeah, or robots.

01:34:49.460 Do you think we will have a chance?

01:34:53.100 Yes.

01:34:55.080 Would you?

01:34:55.600 Wait, robots or aliens?

01:34:56.480 I threw robots out there because people are always asking me about the robot wars.

01:35:00.040 I think robots.

01:35:01.120 Yeah, I just hope there's no, like, you know, I think robots will be fine.

01:35:10.340 I could beat up a fucking microwave.

01:35:12.100 You know what I'm saying, dude?

01:35:12.960 I'll beat the shit out of a toaster with a bat.

01:35:15.400 But what I'm saying is this, especially if I had fucking a can and a half a go right now, dude.

01:35:19.940 You know what I'm saying?

01:35:20.540 I'll fucking suck start a Hyundai right now.

01:35:22.840 But what I'm saying is this, aliens, if aliens come, would you re-enlist?

01:35:27.240 Yes.

01:35:27.680 Okay.

01:35:28.240 And who would you take into battle with you?

01:35:30.060 It's just like, it's like that movie Armageddon.

01:35:31.840 You got to take five people into battle with you.

01:35:34.580 Oh, I got a list of guys.

01:35:36.040 Yeah.

01:35:36.360 Okay.

01:35:36.660 We'll rattle off a couple, sir.

01:35:38.160 Well, I can't because they're, you know.

01:35:40.480 Oh, okay.

01:35:41.160 Yeah.

01:35:41.640 They're working.

01:35:42.600 Oh, okay.

01:35:43.020 I see.

01:35:43.380 So we can't use their names because they're working.

01:35:44.900 Yeah.

01:35:45.340 Okay.

01:35:46.500 Well, most of them.

01:35:47.580 Right.

01:35:48.300 Okay.

01:35:49.380 Okay.

01:35:49.820 Well, let's say then.

01:35:51.100 I had a guy.

01:35:51.820 I have had a guy on my podcast a couple times.

01:35:54.260 His name is Tony Afrati.

01:35:56.280 And he, him and I grew up in the SEAL teams together.

01:35:59.860 And then he was one of the platoon chiefs over in Ramadi with me.

01:36:04.740 And I actually started off the podcast saying, hey, if there's some, if there's a list, there's

01:36:11.460 everyone has a list of guys that, hey, if it goes down, I'm bringing him.

01:36:15.380 Tony's one of the guys.

01:36:16.460 Tony's in, huh?

01:36:17.180 He would be out on like a five day operation in 120 degree heat.

01:36:22.460 And he'd bring nothing with him, but a can of Copenhagen and like a little half liter

01:36:27.240 bottle of water.

01:36:28.380 Oh, that's not like doing cocaine.

01:36:29.600 I'm Vegas.

01:36:30.280 No factor.

01:36:31.240 No factor at all.

01:36:32.360 And no, no qualms about it at all.

01:36:33.920 No qualms at all.

01:36:34.500 Wow.

01:36:34.860 Making coconut Copenhagen soup.

01:36:36.720 Yeah.

01:36:37.240 That's crazy.

01:36:38.620 So yeah, there's a bunch of guys like that, man.

01:36:40.360 There's a bunch of just guys that are just, that's what they're born to do, man.

01:36:43.600 That's what they're born to do.

01:36:44.580 From the Jocko podcast, man.

01:36:47.280 Thank you so much, bro.

01:36:48.800 Thanks for coming in, dude.

01:36:49.860 It's so, it's so awesome, man.

01:36:51.420 Cause it's sometimes life, it's like, you never know kind of what you need.

01:36:53.980 And then life kind of like gives you, you know, it just kind of the, where you, where

01:36:58.900 you're, where you are is where you're supposed to be.

01:37:01.000 You know, it's like sometimes you don't realize that, but I appreciate you being here today,

01:37:05.180 man.

01:37:05.300 Thank you so much, dude.

01:37:06.640 Thanks for having me out, man.

01:37:07.620 Appreciate it.

01:37:08.220 Yeah.

01:37:09.140 Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

01:37:14.820 I must be cornerstone.

01:37:20.200 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind.

01:37:24.780 I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking

01:37:37.740 brake and let myself unwind.

01:37:42.240 Shine that light on me.

01:37:45.200 I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me

01:37:55.900 And I will find a song I will sing it just for you

01:38:03.660 And now I've been moving way too fast On a runaway train with a heavy load of my

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - October 09, 2019

Jocko Willink 2 ｜ This Past Weekend #236

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