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00:04:11.160 You're prepared for the day, Jocko.

00:04:28.160 I got up actually this morning, no joke, I got up at 4.15 just to see what that would feel like.

00:04:36.160 So how'd it feel? It felt inspiring and then by about uh stayed up till about maybe 4.55 and then

00:04:43.500 it felt kind of scary. You know I felt like maybe I had some sugar issues and had to lay back down.

00:04:47.920 Yeah yeah I got up early this morning too. Did you? Yeah yeah. Do you on the mornings when you get up

00:04:53.880 and you have that do you have that moment in your head where you don't feel like it anymore? I know

00:04:58.180 that some of that goes away when you repeatedly drive through that moment. Do you still have that

00:05:02.800 sometimes? Sure sure. And what do you do? Go anyways. Just go. Just go anyways. Just keep it

00:05:09.900 cruising. Yeah. That's it. Take action. Next foot. Yeah a lot of times people say you know how do you

00:05:15.160 get up early in the morning and I say set your alarm clock and get out of bed when it goes off. Yeah.

00:05:19.860 That's what you do. Right. Do you ever uh are there days or moments or special times when you let

00:05:25.560 yourself um you know that tomorrow's a day for luxury tomorrow's a day to relax? Not relax. Not really.

00:05:31.960 Yeah. Not really because I've got a lot of stuff I gotta do. Right. You know things. You have a lot

00:05:36.160 of business a lot of stuff going on. Yeah and just at the end of a day where you took a luxury day

00:05:41.740 did you just call it a luxury day is that what you said? I'll say that. Okay. So if let's say you take

00:05:45.820 a luxury day. Okay. Right. Theo takes a luxury day. Okay. At the end of that day how do you feel?

00:05:51.700 Right. I feel like I need to gear back up. Yeah well when I get to the end of that day I just feel

00:05:56.080 like I just wasted a day of my life. Right. That's what I feel like. Right. You know so there's no luxury days

00:06:00.860 happen over here on my side. Okay. We're gonna keep it real over here. Okay this will be. I'll let

00:06:05.560 you handle the luxury scenarios. I think I'd like to have less luxury days in my life though. Maybe

00:06:10.100 that'll be one of my coming goals. Um you know I was thinking the other day are there I was listening

00:06:15.160 to some uh past podcasts you've had with uh Joe Rogan, Tim Ferriss and um are there things when you get

00:06:22.480 into combat when you get into a war type scenario that uh that you that you think you would be totally

00:06:31.720 prepared for and then there's something that breaks a man at that moment that they have no point to know

00:06:37.020 before that that they wouldn't be able to handle. They could do all the training. They could do everything.

00:06:41.760 They could do all the preparation. All the you know um uh the the you know simulation. All of that.

00:06:48.780 But at that moment there's something inside of them and it's not even a knock against them but

00:06:52.660 there's something they can't handle. Yeah yeah for sure. I mean so what it is the big difference is

00:06:57.660 someone's going to try and kill you and you could die. And so some people have a real hard time with

00:07:02.320 that. And so occasionally you'll see a guy that doesn't want to be in that situation where they

00:07:07.300 can get killed. And and what is your responsibility at that point like as a leader like if you see

00:07:12.940 something like that happen are you able to notice kind of that now? Like yeah the other thing that can

00:07:17.160 happen is as guys put themselves and their lives at risk over and over and over again eventually

00:07:23.960 they can get they can get worn down you know combat fatigue. And so as they get worn down that's where

00:07:30.940 the responsibility of the leader is to try and recognize that and then pull them off the front

00:07:37.440 lines to the best of your ability. The way I was describing to people especially when I'm talking to

00:07:41.500 the young leaders that are out there that are that are that are leading these men into combat

00:07:44.880 is when you see that it's like it's like having a check engine light on the car right? If you take

00:07:51.680 that car in for service yeah you they can put more oil in it or whatever and it'll be fine. But if you

00:07:57.260 keep running that engine at a hard pace it's gonna it's gonna blow out the engine it'll be ruined

00:08:02.620 right. So you gotta as a leader you gotta look and recognize hey okay this guy's had a little bit

00:08:08.800 too much right now I need to pull him off the front lines and you don't you don't say I don't I

00:08:12.040 wouldn't say to you hey Theo I can see you've had too much I'm gonna pull you off the front lines

00:08:15.520 because your ego would get involved and you'd say no no I'm good to go when re the reality is you

00:08:20.840 need you need a break. But I might say hey Theo I got this logistics uh run that needs to be made

00:08:26.840 back to the back to the rear can you make sure you go do that for me and that way I want to make

00:08:31.720 sure we get this this and this all squared away and I know you're the guy I trust to get it done and

00:08:35.160 you'd be like yeah cool and then you go back to the rear you pick up whatever you need to pick up

00:08:38.740 maybe you catch a movie maybe you have a little Theo luxury day back there in the rear

00:08:43.020 and you get you know you get your you get your mindset right again because guys do break and

00:08:47.840 it's it's the responsibility of the leader to try and prevent that and you know it's it's a really

00:08:53.520 horrible thing um you know I just did a podcast on my podcast and in World War I the British and I

00:09:01.980 don't know if you know anything about World War I but World War I was absolutely heinous it was a

00:09:06.100 heinous war all wars are pretty damn heinous but that kind of takes the top spot as as just horrible

00:09:14.260 situations where these guys are getting killed by the by the tens of thousands right I saw it done

00:09:19.900 Kirk that's the only thing I saw and I don't even know if that's from that war I I haven't seen that

00:09:23.880 movie but uh in World War I guys are in trenches and you're going to charge another trench against

00:09:31.280 machine guns and they're getting mowed down and there was no real you don't really have any say

00:09:36.660 as uh even as a frontline leader it was like okay at six o'clock tomorrow morning you're going to get

00:09:41.180 up with your platoon and you're going to charge this this other trench and guys would just get killed

00:09:46.020 and then you had gas on top of that it was it's just a nightmare and the British during that war

00:09:52.460 they executed about 350 people of which about 300 of those were for cowardice what they called

00:10:01.540 cowardice now you can go on YouTube and you can check out shell shock World War I shell shock you

00:10:09.040 see it's one of the saddest things that I've seen in my life is these guys are so because they're

00:10:13.700 getting bombarded with shells and artillery and mortars for for months and months and months and months on

00:10:19.740 end and eventually their mind just couldn't take it and different people have different levels of what

00:10:23.540 they can take and this doesn't mean they're a bad person doesn't mean they're a coward it means that

00:10:26.660 they took as much as they could and they couldn't take it anymore and these guys would literally shake

00:10:31.980 this one guy's he his wife gets a letter and she doesn't recognize the handwriting and it's because

00:10:36.980 he's in the hospital he has to have a nurse write for him because he can't hold a pencil to write

00:10:40.600 to his wife and this particular guy he ends up getting executed shot at dawn which is what they did with

00:10:47.960 these guys about 300 of them and eventually the British government admitted and said hey we were

00:10:53.820 wrong and we did the wrong thing but that's a situation where if you had these guys who you see

00:11:00.780 that they're breaking you get them off the front line you get them some rest and relaxation and some

00:11:05.300 luxury Theo style you get you get them in that mindset where they can relax and then eventually they'll

00:11:10.600 build back up and they'll be ready to go back to the front again hopefully and maybe they won't but

00:11:14.340 there's a good chance that they will so that's that's definitely something that a leader needs

00:11:18.460 to think needs to think about and it's also something that you as a human being need to think

00:11:22.080 about right guys can push themselves so hard that eventually they they need a they need a break you

00:11:27.700 know and do you have to monitor a lot of that it's hard enough but you have to monitor a lot of that

00:11:30.600 with ego because i'm sure you know with a lot of bravado sometimes ego can probably get involved

00:11:35.100 um you know um and with a lot of these men trying to i mean there's a lot of tough men that you work

00:11:40.360 yeah just like i was just giving you crap when we walked in here i'm just acting like i'm all hard

00:11:44.380 and never take a day off you know and you're kind of like chuckling but that's what's that that's me

00:11:48.300 just kind of playing my ego out hey i'm never gonna breath never gonna rest never gonna take a break

00:11:52.900 i'm just having fun because i've got to recognize hey if i if i get to a point where my mind is

00:11:58.460 overwhelmed and i need to take a luxury day with theo vaughn and that's what it is what's um

00:12:05.060 is there is it hard to manage sometimes like do you see guys that are almost like or even in your

00:12:10.940 own life have you noticed like as you become more of a you know i heard you talking on i think it was

00:12:16.500 the first time that you were on uh joe or one of the times you're on joe rogan's podcast about

00:12:19.880 being a um and i love how joe rogan's podcast has become almost like our library in america in a lot

00:12:26.080 of ways like but in a neat way because it's an honest you know i saw it like i know it's a real

00:12:32.220 it's a you know it's um it's something like that i know occurred it's not just like a statement by

00:12:37.720 somebody that i've heard that i wrote that's that i read it's like okay i saw this happen i know that

00:12:42.500 this is the real occurrence yeah and you actually saw it me it's yes the words coming out of my mouth

00:12:47.720 yeah yeah i think there's huge authenticity jordan peterson was talking about this about how people

00:12:51.660 are flocking to podcasts because um people are just dying for authenticity they just want things that

00:12:56.340 are real uh but do you notice in your own life like i mean i've noticed even that like our as our

00:13:02.140 podcast has grown and it's grown i mean it's grown like three times in this year i think you know and

00:13:07.760 it's it's been a blessing and it's also been a lot of pressure and it's also like i start to worry about

00:13:13.000 my own ego you know i start to worry about well how is this going to start to infect me how do i make

00:13:17.900 sure that you know i'm the same um person that started the podcast i want to grow and expand but how

00:13:25.540 do i not uh you know it's easy to give in to um becoming the idea of yourself you know have you

00:13:33.140 started a battle with any of that or seen some of that or like notice those things start to flare up

00:13:36.840 in your own life i'm not accusing you i'm just curious about no i hear where you're coming from

00:13:40.860 and you can see where that can definitely happen for me um i think i've been surrounded by so many

00:13:45.700 guys that are way better than me that it's it's really challenging for me to try and think i'm

00:13:53.240 i'm anything yeah i've been surrounded by heroes and and guys that have sacrificed and done so much

00:13:58.340 that for me to be doing what i'm doing is just i'm just sitting over here trying to get by um

00:14:04.000 and you know i always talk about the fact that what one thing that is good about podcasts is

00:14:10.340 hey it's just me sitting in a room like even what you have here this setup is is pretty extravagant

00:14:16.760 compared to me i have me and my the guy that does a podcast with me echo and it's two microphones and

00:14:22.360 we're in a little room a black room that's it and that sounds like interrogation a little bit i like

00:14:27.640 yeah it is kind of like interrogation and it's sort of like an interrogation of myself because when

00:14:31.600 you're again another thing i do on my podcast all the time is i i read books or excerpts of books

00:14:37.600 from guys that have been through insane situations in combat and so you can't even can't even put i

00:14:44.720 can't even put a finger to these guys and what they've done so yeah it's it it's really easy to

00:14:49.320 stay humble when you see what other people are doing and have done yeah and i guess it's really

00:14:54.120 easy to stay humble i guess when you're yeah when you're in that when you when the world's one of

00:15:00.420 the worlds that you work in has so much sacrifice in it which one of the um what's a sacrifice that

00:15:06.540 you wouldn't mind you saw like on the battlefield or something you saw out there you know i mean when

00:15:10.860 we my last deployment to iraq the the amount of sacrifice that we saw was was incredible and it

00:15:16.580 was every single day there was guys that were i mean soldiers and marines that were getting wounded

00:15:21.840 and killed and you know we lost some of our guys and and i mean it's another level it's another level

00:15:30.200 you know when people talk about sacrifice even you know you kind of hear people talking about you

00:15:34.220 you got to make sacrifice to get to get ahead or you got to make sacrifice to get where you want

00:15:37.740 to be this is just another level of sacrifice when guys are risking their lives for for each other

00:15:43.320 and for what they believe in and when you and most these days there's a lot of pressure i feel like

00:15:50.380 like even recently even having the american flag i almost feel like it's some people look down upon

00:15:57.260 um upon it in some ways like it's like uh you know it's almost become a symbol of like

00:16:02.800 conservatism sometimes in america and um do you feel like uh that patriotism has gotten any different

00:16:10.600 over your tenure in the military have you seen that kind of change like what it means to like

00:16:15.760 be a patriot is it just about the flag is it about the country like um have you seen any

00:16:21.720 like has that adjusted for you kind of over the time my viewpoints haven't really adjusted other than

00:16:28.380 that when you travel around the world and you see repressed nations and oppressed nations and

00:16:33.860 oppressed people it makes you very very grateful to live in a place where you can pretty much do

00:16:38.840 whatever you want i mean it's an incredible it's incredible blessing to be in a country like america

00:16:43.540 where you can like i said you can pretty much do whatever you want as not as long as you're not

00:16:47.220 hurting other people yeah you can kind of do whatever you want here and so you does that make you more

00:16:53.240 patriotic in a way it does but you know for me my level of patriotism hasn't really changed since

00:17:00.720 since i've been in other than to say yeah i've seen other parts of the world and yeah i've seen

00:17:04.720 people that have are willing to sacrifice their lives for for the freedom that we have and that's

00:17:11.640 something that i think about every single day i think about that is there a sense when you're um

00:17:17.440 in like a when you're in a battle environment you know um and i know you had the experience where

00:17:22.840 you know one of you a lot of the experience you've talked about of the ramadi when you guys were

00:17:26.800 um now were you guys taking oh were you guys expunging isis from the city or were you um

00:17:32.760 there and keeping isis out so first of all it was it was 2006 so they didn't start using the name

00:17:40.740 isis until about 2007 2008 is when they started to gain power at this time it was al-qaeda in iraq that

00:17:47.020 was the the group and yes they were insurgents and yes they were embedded inside the city the city

00:17:52.340 had about a population of about 400 000 normal iraqi civilians just normal people that wanted

00:17:58.180 to live their lives and embedded in those people and intertwined in those people was a bunch of

00:18:03.700 really evil really evil subhuman just insurgent terrorists that wanted to get power for themselves

00:18:14.560 and were willing to do anything to get there including massacre torture rape murder the local

00:18:20.620 populace and did you realize that eagle that that evil existed at those levels like did did did that

00:18:28.240 experience redefine kind of your level for evil or chaos i would say both my deployments i mean on my

00:18:34.180 first deployment i remember going into a room where saddam had done torture and like there was hooks on

00:18:40.680 the wall and like big hooks where you'd hang meat i mean it was like really when you walked in there

00:18:47.140 it felt haunted wow um i don't know if i believe in ghosts or whatever but if i that must be sort of

00:18:54.980 what ghosts feel like you know walk in this room where you know people had been tortured and killed

00:18:59.380 and brutally murdered and i you kind of feel that i bet a lot of pain which almost scare your spirit

00:19:05.760 right out of your body so your spirit's just sitting there next to you almost so when you see that

00:19:09.320 yeah you start to feel i mean you definitely know that that there's evil in the world for sure

00:19:13.780 and does that re-inspire you in a in a or support your field does that then like once you get to

00:19:20.180 that point because you have i'm sure as you build up um you know your battle experience and your battle

00:19:25.680 uh your your um abilities to go fight and your preparation and then you get there does that then

00:19:33.920 change like oh wow we really are fighting something i knew and my guys knew that we were going to get

00:19:41.120 something that's i mean you know you can look at you look at what the insurgents are doing and really

00:19:46.640 when you got to see isis that's one thing that was interesting is once isis started sort of social

00:19:52.420 media broadcasting what they were doing yeah and i don't know if they thought it would help them or

00:19:57.160 whatever but it didn't help them you know people started i mean it helped if you were a sick twisted

00:20:02.040 person you saw isis doing that you go oh cool i'm gonna go join isis but most rational normal

00:20:06.940 civilized human beings looked at what they were doing and just said this is horrible and these

00:20:12.320 people need to be destroyed and they've done i mean the the military has done a great job of

00:20:17.360 eliminating isis it hasn't really gotten a lot of press but it's been incredible there was about

00:20:21.880 40 000 isis and now there's i don't know maybe 500 left so from 40 000 to 500 that's that's pretty

00:20:30.400 pretty uh dominating victory and like i said there hasn't been much press about it and i don't know

00:20:36.840 if the press hasn't come because of because of the current uh president and people don't want to say

00:20:43.740 hey this guy did it or if it's because it wasn't just americans that did it was the the iraqis did a

00:20:49.640 lot of the fighting and so maybe people weren't that concerned about it because the iraqis or maybe

00:20:54.420 you know once once it's not maybe it's less of a news story when it's not up close and personal

00:21:00.660 which is like the videos they were sending out which would always get a lot of air time

00:21:03.540 i'm not sure yeah no i think there's definitely it feels like to me uh that there's something out

00:21:08.460 there where um yeah they don't even want to look at uh that war is even a thing that happens or that

00:21:14.440 fighting is even a thing that happens anymore you know it's almost like it's um like it's taboo or

00:21:19.820 something even though it's necessary do you feel sometimes in your blood like that we'll have to

00:21:24.240 be at war again well we're at war right now yeah so it's not even again like we're in a state of war

00:21:31.300 right now and so when you say that what does that mean like so for a regular american like me that

00:21:36.680 goes through through their day like what types of things are going on in the background kind of that

00:21:40.520 we don't realize well i mean there's still isis that's left there's still other elements of al-qaeda

00:21:45.500 that are brewing up there's people that are being trained that need to be stopped

00:21:48.980 there's insurgent forces that are rising up that need to get put down there's all kinds of things

00:21:54.200 happening all the time and it's it's going to be continuing in that way for a long time in my in

00:21:58.700 my opinion and i know you and like you you talk a lot about like when you know uh not wasting time

00:22:04.180 um when you wake up in the morning or when you like is there a theme inside of your brain that like

00:22:09.460 your enemy is them your enemy is like evil your enemy is um wasting your own time like do you

00:22:18.940 have like kind of an enemy in your head yeah i mean especially when i was still in obviously i

00:22:23.300 had i had a theme a big theme in my head that you know i was going to be meeting some other guy on

00:22:28.040 the battlefield and it was going to be who's more prepared and so but now that i'm not doing that

00:22:33.140 anymore now i wake up in the morning well first of all and i always tell people it's like when you

00:22:37.240 wake up in the morning don't think about anything don't sit there and start thinking about

00:22:39.960 rationalizing words just get up and do what you're supposed to do just turn off your brain and go and

00:22:44.520 execute and just don't think because when you start thinking you start making things up and you

00:22:48.660 start thinking about luxury and all those things that you could be doing instead yeah whatever and

00:22:54.380 so i just just stop all that just get up and just do what you're supposed to do but from a day-to-day

00:22:59.060 basis i mean you know the fact that i've got i've got friends a lot of friends that aren't here that

00:23:05.820 don't get to live their lives anymore that were killed and i want to make sure that i'm taking

00:23:11.220 advantage of every minute and every second that i have and living a life that if they're they're

00:23:17.660 watching me right now they're thinking all right all right good jock was getting after it yeah he's

00:23:22.220 doing it and do you in america do you feel like we do a lot of that or do you feel like the average

00:23:27.700 american we just don't realize the luxury that we have i think it's a little bit of both i think it's

00:23:32.280 a little bit of both there's there's definitely people that you know i i work i have a consulting

00:23:37.260 company now and and i work with companies all over the place and there's people in those companies

00:23:41.220 that are just getting after it in their own way and they're building businesses and they're growing

00:23:45.920 businesses and they're taking over market share and they're working hard and they're raising their

00:23:49.740 families and they're doing great things i mean it's it's awesome to see so there's plenty of people

00:23:53.460 like that in america that i that i see on a day-to-day basis and and when i work with the military

00:23:57.460 still i meet young you know people talk about millennials i meet kids that are 18 19 20 years old and

00:24:03.100 man they're ready to they're ready to do whatever they have to do for for their job for their country

00:24:08.100 and it's awesome to see so maybe the maybe the people that are more negative get more press

00:24:14.600 and the people that are a little bit more positive they don't they don't get as much press

00:24:19.660 when you see um when you're having like an experience in a battle right and you is it almost

00:24:26.980 sometimes become like a and i'm not trying to equate this but does it become like a video game

00:24:31.780 experience to like i'm trying to think of a way that somebody like myself could could like is there

00:24:36.020 ever like a moment or or you know a half hour or four hours that break down and you're like afterwards

00:24:40.920 you're like oh man i wish we'd have kind of played that you know i wish i could play it over that

00:24:44.980 definitely happens yeah i mean i don't really play video games right but but when you look back and we

00:24:51.100 always would look back we'd always reflect when we get done with an operation or get done with a

00:24:54.680 an event that that unfolds we always look back at it and say what could we have done better what could

00:24:59.400 have done different even if it went well even if even it goes well we still look at it and say hey

00:25:04.220 what could we have done better if it goes bad we definitely break it down and try and figure out

00:25:07.900 what mistakes we made and how we can fix them if somebody if you if you take a casualty on the

00:25:12.760 battlefield somebody loses their life what is like the protocol in that in that experience what is that

00:25:17.980 like well the first thing you have to do is win the fight right because that that's that's if you if

00:25:23.620 you take one casualty and you focus on that well then you're going to take more casualties because their

00:25:28.660 enemy is still trying to trying to get you so what you do is when you take a casualty you still try and

00:25:34.380 win the fight you try and make sure you suppress the enemy fire you get your troops in a situation

00:25:39.800 where they can defend themselves and then you can start worrying about you know the casualties

00:25:43.400 is it when when it's a moment like that happens is it scary or is it sad like what is or are you is

00:25:50.740 there what is that like it's both i mean i'll tell you when you're going through these situations

00:25:55.320 it's you're you're doing what you've been trained to do and that becomes you know the focus of okay

00:26:01.060 this is what's going on here's what we're going to do to to correct the situation or try and handle

00:26:05.820 the situation you got to kind of put your emotions in check for until until you have time later so and

00:26:12.220 and and does it automatically kind of happen that way most of the time like your emotions are almost a

00:26:17.260 a luxury if you will to have later on a guy that's been well trained he's gonna he's gonna put his

00:26:22.520 he's gonna put his emotions aside wow and put them in check and you know that can be problematic

00:26:27.740 of course afterwards and if you put those emotions away and you keep them away and you don't ever let

00:26:32.600 them out then that can become problematic because then they can start eating you up from the inside

00:26:35.720 so at some point you gotta you know when you get the time you gotta take a step back and you've got to

00:26:41.720 you know let out the emotions and and mourn the losses and then once again when you get done with

00:26:49.580 that you can't dwell on that you can't keep thinking about what the losses were and you can't

00:26:53.980 dwell in the past you know and a lot of people ask me about when they lose when they lose loved

00:26:57.940 ones and how do you get through it and that's what i tell them like look you know in america

00:27:02.600 we don't have like a set standard way of handling death right we don't have a ritualistic way because

00:27:09.760 we're all from different cultures and all different cultures handle things in different ways but we've

00:27:14.920 taken them all and kind of mixed them together and it's a good mix them together we kind of lost

00:27:18.140 them i mean you look at other cultures and it's like when someone dies you do this for a day you

00:27:22.240 do this for two days you do this for another day and then you move on right you go through these

00:27:26.620 little ceremonial things you sing this song and you you know you you say this prayer and then you do

00:27:31.280 this ceremony and then it's over yeah and in the yeah us we kind of mill around a little bit kind of

00:27:36.700 mill around and we don't really know what protocol to follow so you know for me it was like okay we got

00:27:42.620 a i didn't really think about this at the time but it's like okay we're gonna we're gonna have a

00:27:46.100 ceremony you know we're gonna celebrate the life we're gonna mourn the loss and then we're gonna

00:27:50.720 get back to work we're gonna we're gonna move on right and when i say move on that can sound cold

00:27:55.280 and callous and by no stretch of the imagination do i mean like hey we're gonna move on and forget

00:28:00.240 about this no but but we're not gonna dwell in the past we're not gonna dwell on the fact that we

00:28:04.900 we lost one of our brothers we're gonna we're gonna remember them always but our best way of

00:28:11.860 remembering them is to move on is to live a good life is to continue to execute the mission

00:28:16.040 you know that's one of the things that you know for me it's like when you know because you don't

00:28:22.280 get trained you don't get trained on what do you do when one of your guys gets killed there's no

00:28:25.440 training for that no one can really prepare you for that i think especially when when i was coming

00:28:29.460 up in the in the seal teams we hadn't been at war for since vietnam and so there hadn't been a lot

00:28:36.040 of guys killed and so it was it wasn't like we were getting experience from older guys that were

00:28:40.800 saying hey when you lose somebody this is what you do this is the protocol and so for me it was

00:28:44.680 sort of you know when when when mark lee was the first seal that got killed he was one of my guys

00:28:50.380 who's an incredible person when he got killed like there was no training for that and there was there

00:28:56.300 was and i didn't really know what to do and so for me it was like okay we're gonna we're gonna we're

00:29:03.660 gonna mourn we're gonna take a couple days off we're gonna mourn and then and i told my guys i'm

00:29:09.760 like look the only thing i know how to do the only thing i know how to do is work this is the

00:29:13.820 only thing i know how to do because you know i've been i was in the seal teams my whole adult life i

00:29:17.400 don't even know what else there is i was like the only thing i know how to do is work and that's what

00:29:23.760 i'm gonna do and that's what we're gonna do we're gonna go back to work like mark would want us to do

00:29:27.180 we're gonna lock unload our guns and we're gonna get out there and we're gonna do our missions

00:29:30.580 and and you know that's what we did and again it's i know it might sound callous and even saying it

00:29:38.140 right now and you know like mark you know here's a guy that was yeah he was an absolute

00:29:42.800 just a warrior of a human but he was also a hysterical guy he was a maniac guy he was a you

00:29:51.380 know he was married he had a a beautiful wife and you know he was a he was a real person and i always

00:29:57.480 try and remind you know everyone that these that these warriors you know these so-called warriors

00:30:02.200 these soldiers these marines these seals these special operations guys that everyone thinks they're

00:30:06.420 these warriors and that they're just warriors that that there's a whole nother side to these guys

00:30:10.740 and they're they're you know usually just awesome people that happen to have wanted to do something

00:30:17.200 heroic with their lives and they step into the into the fray and so for me to say oh we're just

00:30:23.620 going to move on again it's not it's not like hey we're going to forget about this guy or

00:30:26.900 but but the contrary is we're always going to remember him and the way we're going to remember him

00:30:31.180 is by doing our job and doing the best we can and in the life that we do have

00:30:34.460 and moving forward yeah not dwelling man it's so funny i get stuck a lot of times sometimes um

00:30:39.560 yeah i definitely notice that like i'm sober right so uh you know i've been sober for about two years

00:30:44.340 and one of the things that they taught me in the beginning was just to take the next right action

00:30:49.040 like no matter what's going on like no matter what you're thinking especially because the devil

00:30:53.140 can really live in your head you know just to take that neck just do whatever you have to do next

00:30:57.160 whatever's on your to-do list do that next thing and by the time you get to even the next thing

00:31:01.600 you're not thinking about this now you're in motion um and an object in motion stays in motion

00:31:06.600 and then you usually start to piece slowly piece your life together in positive ways and then you

00:31:11.440 get to the end of the day one day and you're like holy shit i did five things today and then you

00:31:16.620 literally i remember that next day i woke up a different person because for so long i'd just been

00:31:22.080 dwelling in this you know in my own fears in my you know just sitting in my uncertainties and

00:31:27.420 just juggling like my um my deficiencies and just always just keeping so much of the

00:31:33.320 negativity kind of afloat or just the uncertainty afloat and all i had to do was just really

00:31:38.540 physically take action and the rest of me would kind of follow it's amazing how your brain um

00:31:44.100 even though your brain makes the decisions your brain will follow your body sometimes yeah the the

00:31:48.880 two are definitely connected there's no doubt about it and i always feel i always tell people and you

00:31:55.560 know when i had you were talking about tim ferris when tim ferris was on my podcast and we were

00:31:58.600 talking about you know he went through some serious depression he he went through contemplating

00:32:02.500 suicide and planning suicide wow for himself and this is the guy that was at princeton university

00:32:07.480 at the time it wasn't like he was he was not doing well in life i mean he was on a great path

00:32:12.080 and so one of the things that he said is when when you can it's something along the lines of when you

00:32:18.400 can't get out of your head get into your body but it was like you know take go and do something

00:32:22.640 physical and so that's why i'm you know i i always tell people to hey if you're if you're feeling

00:32:27.620 whatever not great go and do something go and do go and do go and work out go for a run go for a swim

00:32:35.040 go do something and do some physical exertion because it lets your mind just kind of turn off and

00:32:40.520 stop juggling all those insecurities that you were just talking about because it's got to

00:32:43.980 juggle kettlebells or something else instead yeah let your mind take a break what kind of like say if

00:32:49.800 you're going to do something because i fit i i feel like you don't probably even i feel like you

00:32:53.980 sleep kind of but like you're just like you're also leg pressing while you're at rest what kind

00:32:59.120 of thing do you play with like i feel like you have like is there a like a i don't want to say a game

00:33:04.100 because i don't want to seem offensive but is there a board game or something that you enjoy is there

00:33:08.200 you know like stonehenge like what do you fucking play with for fun i feel like isn't stonehenge

00:33:14.320 well like what's stonehenge that's not a rock no i know what that is but i don't go like play

00:33:18.920 with stonehenge well if i had to picture you like kind of playing with something in the yard i feel

00:33:22.420 like it would be like yeah maybe have the small stonehenge like they had in spinal tap jaco's

00:33:27.960 baby stonehenge i could totally see you does uh does jiu-jitsu count yeah jiu-jitsu does jiu-jitsu

00:33:33.280 is definitely jiu-jitsu is definitely a place where you can turn your brain off you can do it all the

00:33:37.120 time all you need is a training partner and some mats and there's it's great right now because there's

00:33:41.160 plenty of places to train yeah but yeah jiu-jitsu is jiu-jitsu is awesome to do have you had eddie

00:33:45.780 bravo come on your podcast yet i have not had eddie bravo come on my podcast yet that would be super

00:33:49.780 interesting to see um that would be fascinating it would be way fascinating i don't know if you

00:33:53.680 know anything about eddie bravo no i totally yeah i mean you know obviously in the jiu-jitsu yeah in

00:33:57.700 the jiu-jitsu world but yeah i mean i know him because of joe rogan and i and i actually i actually

00:34:01.880 know him i mean yeah you know because he's an old school jiu-jitsu player he's him and i were coming up

00:34:06.740 around the same time competing at the same old school jiu-jitsu tournaments back in the day

00:34:11.580 right and so yeah yeah and you know he's he's he's always been awesome yeah really cool to me

00:34:16.740 i would love to see you know you might need special forces to get him to quiet down sometimes he gets

00:34:20.680 a little chatty but in a beautiful way though he just i never met a man who's full of i mean most

00:34:26.100 people have nine pints of blood or something i bet he's running on 11 like that guy definitely

00:34:29.820 something else is in him you know he's a special guy um so so for a guy like who's not you know a

00:34:37.180 lot of guys feel regret and i notice in my life that i feel regret like i never served my country

00:34:41.500 right it's a thing that play you know that kind of i think at the core of a man somewhere it plagues

00:34:46.200 us you know and it's almost you feel ashamed to bring it up because um you don't want to use it as

00:34:53.540 like a pawn like whenever somebody has served you know to try and equate to that like oh i feel bad i

00:34:59.280 didn't serve you know um but do you find that a way that you know men at my age i'm 38 or that at

00:35:07.320 you know her kind of regularly statured physically that a way that it can start to toughen themselves

00:35:12.100 up jujitsu seems like a way that a lot of men are finding like not only ways to feel tough about

00:35:17.560 themselves and feel some self-confidence uh but to find like a brotherhood in a way yeah no jujitsu

00:35:22.320 is a great way the funny thing is is you just mentioned like jujitsu makes you feel tougher well

00:35:26.700 actually jujitsu makes you feel humble especially when you start because you're just going to get

00:35:30.900 choked out you're going to get tapped out by people that are smaller than you and by by females that are

00:35:37.400 smaller than you and and that stings you know that stings and so jujitsu is real humbling in the

00:35:43.580 beginning and uh that's just something you gotta that you gotta get through but yeah you'll you'll meet

00:35:48.520 people when you train hard with people you become closer with them that's that's kind of what happens in

00:35:52.260 the military that's the general that's the general concept of what occurs in the military you take a

00:35:57.900 bunch of people that don't know each other they're all different you start putting them through hard

00:36:01.060 training and they start to form a bond and that's what the military is that's why you end up with a

00:36:05.420 bond and that bond the more hard stuff you do the tighter that bond gets so when you go to war with

00:36:10.980 guys that that bond gets even tighter when you go to really hard sustained combat that bond gets even

00:36:16.660 tighter and so is jujitsu something that is hard training and it's humbling because guess what in

00:36:22.760 war you make mistakes too and everyone sees them and so that's what happens in jujitsu you make

00:36:26.980 mistakes everyone sees them you get tapped out there's no there's no question about it like there's

00:36:30.980 no mystery in jujitsu you got tapped out by this guy that's it that's that's the way it works and that

00:36:35.880 means that guy just beat you and there's no question about it in combat the same thing happens you make

00:36:40.080 mistakes your your element gets surprised you you get ambushed you get the the enemy maneuvers on

00:36:46.580 you in a way you didn't expect it catches you off guard it's like yeah that's really humbling

00:36:50.680 and so there are elements of of combat that are present in jujitsu and that's one of the reasons

00:36:56.160 why i love jujitsu so much yeah because now do you love like do you find that over time having served

00:37:02.500 running gyms jujitsu do you like what is it that you is it combat that you love is it competition

00:37:10.700 have you been able to kind of pinpoint like what that draw like what that thing is sort of yeah

00:37:16.240 i would say there's like a whole bunch of different level little levels of what i like i

00:37:20.140 like it i like competition i like winning and oddly enough i like losing like i like getting pushed to

00:37:26.320 a point where hey man i i didn't i i couldn't do it and that doesn't there's this is a weird thing

00:37:31.820 that happens with jujitsu you take someone that's never done jujitsu before yeah you say hey come and

00:37:36.660 train and they try it and they're gonna get crushed and there's two reactions you can have to that as a

00:37:41.620 as a person right well i mean i guess there's more than two but there's two main ones that occur

00:37:46.040 some people say damn that was awesome i can't believe that i got tapped out right by 130 pound

00:37:53.740 female right i'm gonna go back and learn this stuff and some people say i can't believe i got tapped out

00:38:01.180 by 130 pound female i'm never gonna get near that again because it hurts their ego too much so that's

00:38:08.580 pretty much for me it was immediately hey i want to make sure that that this doesn't ever happen to

00:38:13.600 me or that this happens as little as possible so i'm going to learn as much as i can and it's the

00:38:18.520 same thing with you know it's the same thing with combat like you want to learn and you want to be as

00:38:21.980 proficient as possible and really i think that's the way you should be with life is like i'm gonna do

00:38:26.820 as much as i can as often as i can and learn as much as i can and get the most out of this little

00:38:32.420 gig we got here for however many years you got let's make something happen do you do you miss war you

00:38:38.120 miss it do you miss battle yeah yeah yeah like you miss when you think about missing it is it

00:38:49.360 here's the thing is the camaraderie what is it it's definitely the camaraderie but but imagine

00:38:53.880 imagine that you theo had something going on in your life that required every ounce of energy

00:39:04.480 energy and focus that you could possibly muster it required all of that it required all that focus

00:39:11.700 and and the consequence of you failing to to give everything you got the consequence of that would be

00:39:20.100 possibly your death and the death of your friends so you can't you can't create that kind of focus

00:39:26.360 any other way i mean i i just don't know uh so when you when you're in that and you get to feel that

00:39:33.240 and then you get the you get the reward of knowing that you've done your duty and and you've done the

00:39:40.960 best that you can you walk off the battlefield and you gave everything you got then it's you definitely

00:39:46.960 miss it yeah do you find there are moments and i can fathom that as you're saying that like almost

00:39:51.680 as crazy as it sounds i almost feel like how amazing that would be to have nothing else bothering you

00:39:59.860 nothing except the value of your own life and the value of somebody else's life the value of your

00:40:05.080 friends is the is the biggest value that's the biggest thing that i was always concerned about

00:40:08.900 i was like my guys you know my guys concerned about my guys yeah it's and it's it took me about a month

00:40:16.000 maybe two months after i got home that when i woke up i woke up and i would be like

00:40:23.340 you know for a couple seconds you're thinking because you know when i was over there i was in charge of a

00:40:29.280 bunch of different guys and so there was always guys operating in the field there was always guys

00:40:33.520 out conducting operations always so when you woke up and went to see what you you were checking in

00:40:37.980 right always wanting to know and and and you always think well you know it's tonight going to be the

00:40:42.760 night did and as soon as you wake up you think because my other guys would know hey if something

00:40:48.760 was going on they'd come and get me if i was asleep and it's not like i was sleeping a lot but when i was

00:40:52.680 asleep they'd come and get me and say hey this is going on or or if a guy got wounded hey a guy got

00:40:56.300 wounded or whatever and so you know you know how it is when you first wake up and you think oh it

00:41:00.800 is this a dream is what's happening and so it took about like a month month or two before the first

00:41:08.000 thought that i had in the morning wasn't oh wait one of my guys is one of my guys hurts one of my guys

00:41:14.260 killed that that took like a couple months to get over that that thought but again even that

00:41:21.280 just there's a level of there's a level of

00:41:26.780 it's just focus man it's just there's a level of focus that you get into that and it's like

00:41:34.040 is it beyond you almost is it almost is it almost you say you can't create it so

00:41:39.520 it does it almost feel

00:41:41.360 so when you're non-human when you're training when you're training for a fight right so i train a bunch

00:41:48.100 of mma fighters through the years and as hard as you can train a guy in the gym you can't you

00:41:55.480 can't simulate right what's going to feel like the night that he's walking into you have you been

00:42:00.300 any ufcs yet no but joe just told me yesterday i was talking on the phone he said that uh he would

00:42:07.040 he offered to take me and now i'm gonna forget now people are gonna hold him to it uh to the

00:42:11.040 poor eads fight yeah so so that's going to be sick right and but you can't simulate what's going

00:42:17.920 to be going through dustin poirier's mind when he's going or how hard nate diaz is going to be

00:42:24.560 holding on to a move you know like you just can't simulate that and it's the same thing in combat as

00:42:29.280 close as you can try and get that mindset going you can't simulate the exact same thing you just

00:42:34.240 can't do it you just it just can't do it yeah and when and so and when it do do things get broad

00:42:41.540 do over time being in battle more often do things start to get more narrow like in the sense where

00:42:46.180 you does it get do you get used to it is that a definitely is it amazing that that is a muscle

00:42:51.360 that's somewhere inside of man that get that you get used to you get used to it i'll tell you the

00:42:55.540 biggest thing for me and and our training definitely helped i don't want to make it sound like because

00:42:59.400 like our training got us so close it's sort of the opening question one of the earlier questions you

00:43:03.700 asked me like is there someone that breaks because they there's something you can't simulate in

00:43:08.060 training they've been through all this hard training and they still just say hey man i can't do this

00:43:11.180 yeah that happens but the training gets you pretty close i mean the training gets you to a point

00:43:15.760 where you know the first firefight i ever got and i was like okay cool i wasn't like i was like oh my

00:43:21.300 god you know i was just okay here's what's going on i see where the enemy is hey we need to do this

00:43:25.300 and start making my tactical calls it's like real straightforward and so the training can definitely

00:43:31.560 get you there and something that i talk about a lot is developing the ability to detach

00:43:37.640 detach from what's happening detach from the chaos detach from the mayhem and detach from your own

00:43:44.820 emotions because if you get wrapped up in your emotions you're not making good decisions right

00:43:47.900 right and i've heard uh cowboy you know cowboy seronius he's he's a fighter yeah but i heard him

00:43:54.180 talking when he fights really well he said he feels like he's behind like you talked a bit of he feels

00:44:00.040 like he's playing himself in a video game wow and it's just he can watch and he can see everything

00:44:04.580 and that's when you when you get that ability to detach and take a step back that's very powerful

00:44:09.980 and the way you get that is by putting yourself in pressure situations or being put into pressure

00:44:14.460 situations where the only way to make good decisions is to take a step back not get all captured in some

00:44:19.400 situation and let things kind of you you you get to a point where you can kind of see things unfolding

00:44:25.460 and i do that all the time now it's it's kind of crazy you know before we i want to say one more

00:44:30.080 thing because you you mentioned this part and i don't want to leave it hanging you mentioned this part

00:44:33.580 about like hey you know you feel guilty because you haven't served and and i hear that from a lot

00:44:40.440 of people and and i can't even imagine like if i didn't serve i can't imagine how i would feel about

00:44:45.560 that but what i wanted to say is you know it's first of all it's not for everyone that that's that's

00:44:51.420 fine it's like not every you don't need to be in the military to serve and and the other thing is

00:44:55.740 like okay what can you do if you didn't serve well there's a bunch of things you can do and one of the

00:44:59.840 best things you can do is if you haven't served is you go out and you try and live a good life

00:45:04.440 right you try and raise a good family you try and build a good business you try and you try and just

00:45:09.860 be a good person yeah because and and and i'm not just saying that like uh i'm not just saying it hey

00:45:17.020 be a good person i'm saying by doing good things you're an american if i'm talking to people that are

00:45:23.220 from america right now if you're building a business you're helping america if you're you're

00:45:28.860 helping our economy without a thriving economy in this country the military doesn't wouldn't even

00:45:34.100 exist right so that one of the best things you can do as a person is go out and do your job really

00:45:39.120 really well go out and kick ass and be the best you know whatever your job is and we work like i said

00:45:45.000 with with my consulting company work with all different kinds of companies and outside guys on the

00:45:49.100 frontline doing manufacturing and doing construction drilling oil i mean whatever you're doing go out

00:45:55.060 and kick ass at that and make that your mission and you are by doing that you're you're literally

00:46:01.240 building america and keeping america strong so you're serving it's in a weird way as you say that

00:46:05.720 i'm thinking you're serving america in a way you're serving america by being a good person by putting other

00:46:11.880 people employed by doing fair business um yeah you are you're serving this country it's a real thing and i

00:46:18.680 i explain that to people all the time you know i explain that to to people all the time you know

00:46:22.180 when i talk to construction companies i'm like hey you're literally building this country that's that's

00:46:26.260 actually what you're doing wow when i talk to gas oil companies i say you know you're you're literally

00:46:31.120 fueling this company that's this country that's what you're doing so and it goes with everything with

00:46:36.280 software company hey you're built you're employing how many thousand people two thousand people that's

00:46:41.840 what you're doing all those people are able to feed their kids and pay their mortgage and save for

00:46:47.480 and and that's what it is so if you didn't serve it's okay like that's fine serving another way

00:46:54.220 and one of the easiest ways to serve is you go out and kick ass in the world i like that man that's

00:46:59.420 beautiful huh that's cool um yeah we try to do some special stuff here you know we try to treat uh

00:47:04.360 single moms out to like a night out when we're in a city yeah yeah i've seen that you do that that's

00:47:07.980 awesome it's pretty cool man um were you raised by both your parents i was yeah that's awesome and do

00:47:13.340 you feel like a lot of your uh do you feel like a lot of your um your abilities do you notice that

00:47:19.300 some of them came from your mom and someone came from your dad i don't know i don't know it's kind

00:47:23.220 of funny uh so was your mom a tough lady you know my mom and dad they were pretty normal to be quite

00:47:30.540 honest with you smart i'll give them that they're smart but they're pretty normal now my my mom was an

00:47:35.720 english teacher and my dad was a history teacher and so people when they listen to my podcast because

00:47:41.300 i'm always talking about well literature and history that's kind of what i talk about a lot

00:47:45.580 well that's what it's based on but i'm really talking about human nature that that's that's

00:47:50.060 what i'm really talking about talking about my podcast is about human nature but it's human

00:47:52.880 nature through the lens of war and through the lens of leadership and through the lens of atrocities

00:47:56.840 and horrible things that happen because that's what reveals human nature right when you're when

00:48:00.760 you're out with your friends and everything's going cool you don't learn anything about your

00:48:03.160 friends but when you're out with your friends and there's a car accident oh you definitely learn

00:48:06.900 you learn that's what you learned i was in a elevator that got stalled right and you think

00:48:11.120 like okay there's nine people in the elevator this is at mardi gras this is about probably maybe

00:48:14.580 seven years ago and everyone's going up to like a fancy party we're on the street watching endemium

00:48:19.560 which is a big parade down there next you know we're taking an elevator up to a fancy party

00:48:22.640 and the elevator gets stalled we're in there for two hours right by the second hour bro people start

00:48:28.260 to like one girl had broken down and started crying one dude like it came out of the closet

00:48:33.520 eating each other yeah like people like but you start one guy start thinking about starting a small

00:48:37.380 business like you so one guy literally had been straining on the elevator doors so like i think

00:48:43.280 both of his arms came out of socket like but you start to see who's who and when when the pressure

00:48:48.640 is on that's interesting man i want to put myself in more pressure situations because you know i think

00:48:53.660 i do uh as almost as scary as it is i think i do want to know more about myself and i do want to

00:48:59.180 kind of know who i am yeah so that's well in reading these books and almost all the books that i talk

00:49:04.200 about on my podcast i either have people on there that have been through these situations or their

00:49:07.960 first person accounts of guys that were in war so that's what i do so back to my parents so my

00:49:13.940 my mom was an english teacher my dad was a history teacher i was a super rebellious kid i didn't

00:49:19.760 i couldn't care less about any of that never did any homework i was kind of a maniac and so even you

00:49:26.000 know my parents are kind of like well i guess you turned out pretty good but they don't they don't

00:49:30.760 jump and take a bunch of credit for it because they don't feel like it was them but you know

00:49:34.060 certainly i i was around them and so you know like like my dad's really really a really brilliant guy

00:49:40.340 and so i'm thankful that you know i maybe caught a fraction of what my dad has for like my mom's you

00:49:46.580 know really smart too so do you feel like you've made them pretty proud uh you know the thing is

00:49:51.440 i'm from new england and and you don't you don't we don't do that up there oh there is no there is

00:49:56.540 no like hey good job like they don't care they're like work harder that's that's the whole that's

00:50:01.580 sort of the new england thing oh you did this we don't care do something more yeah that's pretty

00:50:07.480 fascinating um there was something you were just talking about that i was thinking about um

00:50:12.320 about what are ways that that men can test themselves you think so jujitsu is one thing

00:50:18.420 that's really interesting you know where you can get out and immediately learn like wow i thought i

00:50:22.340 was a badass because i had this new necklace but also i just got put in a fucking hard scarf by some

00:50:27.260 you know 90 pound vietnamese girl you know so like who am i all of a sudden you know um are there other

00:50:32.940 things that you find that you uh are there that novices and people who are you know new to kind of

00:50:37.800 testing their own spirit and their own limits could do yeah i think there's all kinds of things and i think

00:50:41.640 that's there's so many things like that right now that that's why because people have realized that

00:50:46.760 they want so if you look at the spartan races the tough mutters the crossfit games you got all these

00:50:53.840 things right all those things are you're not doing those you're doing those because you want to test

00:50:58.220 yourself yeah so i think there's all kinds of different ways for for guys and and females to

00:51:02.860 test themselves right now get out there and and push hard and it feels good you know we know it feels

00:51:08.260 well you might not know it feels good you probably think the luxury feels good

00:51:11.460 some stuff dude hey well i just switched down to one ply toilet paper so i am trying to cut back

00:51:16.720 a little the luxury the luxury feels better when you've pushed yourself right that's that's one

00:51:22.760 thing you know when i want to have i've had a couple guys on my podcast that were pow's in vietnam

00:51:28.080 right really so one of them was oh my god i gotta listen to this more yeah so one of them was

00:51:33.820 shot down in vietnam twice the second time he got captured got captured in south vietnam

00:51:37.880 dude he was so they had to do the jungle march up while he was in the jungle march up he's he's caught

00:51:46.220 in a two foot tall bamboo cage in the middle of the jungle and he's trying to get some sleep his legs

00:51:53.020 are shackled and he can't sleep because the rats are coming and eating the wounds gnawing at the wounds

00:51:58.920 on his legs right the so his name is william reader colonel william reader just an amazing amazing

00:52:05.760 human being another guy named uh charlie plum captain charlie plum he was shot down last last

00:52:11.980 flight of his first deployment to vietnam and he was shot down captured put in the hanoi hilton for

00:52:18.600 six years for six years it's not a real hilton though it's like a that's a joke no it's called the

00:52:23.720 hanoi hilton it was a prison camp okay yeah it's a it's a it's the north vietnamese prison camp and

00:52:29.100 you know for six years eating nothing but like a ball of rice every day having having nothing having

00:52:35.860 nothing did he say he misses it at all in a weird way he didn't say he missed it at all no but what he

00:52:42.840 did say is that the guys that were in the hanoi hilton they formed a bond that was so strong that

00:52:50.700 the rate of post-traumatic stress disorder was was minuscule compared to the regular military

00:52:58.520 or the regular guys that were out fighting the whole time they just formed this incredible bond

00:53:02.880 the pows formed an incredible bond and supported each other so well in that prison camp that when

00:53:09.900 they came back they felt like good the other thing that's interesting is they when they came back they

00:53:15.120 had a huge heroes welcome and and that is you know i was thinking about this because i read a book by

00:53:21.940 another vietnam veteran and this is a a horrible story but this guy he he lost both of his legs and

00:53:29.200 you know part of his hands and and when he when the and he came back from vietnam and so now he's

00:53:34.600 recovering for months and months and years trying to stay alive and he's watching on the news when the

00:53:41.760 pow's came home and they're getting this big ticker tape parade well deserved of course but here he is

00:53:48.680 you know alone in a hospital room with no no celebration of any kind and it's it's an awful awful

00:53:56.780 story and that that story as a matter of fact you know i i did a series of podcasts that's plum you said

00:54:03.120 no so this is a guy named lewis puller and what's interesting about lewis puller and i i did a series of

00:54:09.840 podcasts three podcasts the first one was podcast number 121 it was about a guy named chesty puller

00:54:16.340 chesty puller is hands down the most famous marine of all time u.s marine of all time the to this day

00:54:23.340 the marine corps has a a mascot it's a bulldog and the and the bulldog's name is chesty right now

00:54:29.320 they're on like chesty 17 or something like that he's some of the range probably been eating some of

00:54:33.680 the chesties i've seen some of those five five navy crosses this guy was just an incredible

00:54:37.620 incredible hero uh performed valiantly over and over again on the battlefield

00:54:42.560 and was in world war ii in korea and just just known as he's the he's the guy that you know he

00:54:50.140 said things like oh we're surrounded good now we know where they are you know he's the he's that guy

00:54:55.140 and he's this the most famous marine ever so he had one son his son was named lewis puller

00:55:00.420 and his son was you know raised and learned how to shoot when he was six or seven years old

00:55:06.760 and he ended up going to the marine corps but he was a little bit of a different character right he

00:55:12.800 was a softer character he was a nicer guy he he had glasses he was more more of a more of an uh a

00:55:19.980 c a cerebral type guy but you know his dad was in the marine corps and he decided you know what okay

00:55:24.660 i'm going to the marine corps and this is now 1967 i believe should he have chosen the air force is

00:55:29.220 that what you're saying you know the air force does incredible things as well yeah um but he

00:55:34.660 chose the marine corps like his dad and so he goes in the marine corps and you know he's one of these

00:55:40.800 guys that does the basic school or an officer candidate school in the basic school so he's

00:55:45.540 whatever nine months or something like that gets 20 days leave and then he's a platoon commander in

00:55:48.800 vietnam wow platoon commander in vietnam that fast yeah that fast because of because of who he was

00:55:54.680 or because of his abilities because the vietnam war oh it just because the vietnam war was like

00:55:59.300 okay guess what we need we need junior officers why do we need junior officers because our junior

00:56:02.700 officers are getting wounded and killed at a very high rate so he goes he ends up in vietnam

00:56:08.240 it's awful as he describes what's going on they're going out there's three areas that they're rotating

00:56:14.880 through and one of the areas that they rotate through every time they go into this area they lose a

00:56:19.740 guy or they get a guy wounded and then they never see the enemy they don't even see the enemy so it'd

00:56:25.300 be my me saying hey i want you to go to uh whole foods whole foods and vons and trader joe's and every

00:56:32.520 time you go to trader joe's you're gonna lose like a body part and you don't even know why like like you

00:56:37.900 wouldn't want to do that anymore right so these guys are doing that and they're doing that and

00:56:42.640 they're losing guys and they're losing guys like there's coochie tunnels under the produce it's just

00:56:46.800 yeah something like that i guess so eventually he he ends up they get in a big uh going this big

00:56:53.760 operation to try and clean out that area he gets in contact with the enemy he's running back to his

00:56:59.780 guys and as he's running back he hits a booby track uh ied and it just it just brutalizes him

00:57:06.960 loses a leg loses a other leg at the hip and it loses a bunch of hands and he's just a disaster they

00:57:15.020 don't think he's gonna live he holds on he makes it back to america and goes through his trials and

00:57:20.440 by the way his wife was pregnant at the time so he comes home she has the baby oh and you know he

00:57:26.520 you know at one point in the book he's as he's recovering it takes years to recover years and

00:57:31.960 they're giving him prosthetic and the prosthetics you can see when they're telling when he's talking

00:57:35.480 about the prosthetics like the prosthetics we have now are are much more advanced this thing is like

00:57:39.920 leather strapped around his torso and he can only walk on flat surfaces and finally he just can't do

00:57:45.680 it but you know he can't he can't even wipe himself right he can't because of the way his

00:57:50.300 hands are deformed and it's just awful it's awful and you know meanwhile his dad was a hero was a hero

00:57:57.580 and his his dad when his dad sees him like he's describing his dad is just he can't his dad can't

00:58:03.020 even talk his dad is just streaming tears at his bedside when he sees him for the first time

00:58:07.160 it's it's horrible and he makes it through this right he makes it through this and he

00:58:14.360 meanwhile gets addicted to the painkillers gets addicted to the booze goes down that whole spiral

00:58:23.460 once he's kind of recovered he kind of goes down this whole spiral finally sort of recovers from that

00:58:30.920 he runs for political office with these handicaps and everything yep he runs for political office

00:58:36.780 as a democrat sort of a semi-anti-war democrat and he did some some interviews that got him some

00:58:44.980 really negative press that he wasn't patriotic i mean here's a guy that gave you know so much and

00:58:49.180 they're saying oh you don't love america and he's running against a guy that had not gone to vietnam

00:58:54.700 who's a republican a pro vietnam republican guy that had his deferment his draft deferment he didn't go to

00:59:02.080 vietnam for whatever reason you know whatever health right prod problem he allegedly had right

00:59:07.920 he couldn't go to vietnam and he and he loses so lewis puller loses to this guy goes back down the

00:59:12.960 spiral of alcohol and drugs finally his wife's like hey we're done like you need to fix yourself

00:59:19.600 you're done brings him to rehab goes into rehab he recovers and while he's coming through his recovery

00:59:26.240 they're building the vietnam wall right the vietnam memorial wall and he starts to feel like hey they're

00:59:33.040 they're gonna they're gonna recognize us for what we did you know they're gonna they're gonna give us

00:59:38.000 some credit for what we did and they build that wall and he's he's like he's into it right and

00:59:46.720 they the book ends with him they they they unveil the wall and he's like feeling like hey we we got

00:59:57.680 ours now we got our recognition and that's kind of how the book ends that he's gonna write this book and

01:00:03.760 that's what the book that you're reading is this book it's called fortunate son by lewis puller

01:00:08.000 and then the book ends but the book doesn't end there the story doesn't end there because lewis puller

01:00:19.760 two or three years later he falls

01:00:22.480 out of his wheelchair and he breaks his hip and they bring him to the hospital

01:00:25.760 and they put him back on painkillers and he starts drinking again and

01:00:30.640 he kills himself oh yeah and it's it's such a horrible story

01:00:41.840 and i when when i did those two podcasts i i said to myself i'm not going to do them unless

01:00:47.840 i have something else to to talk to i don't want to leave that thing out there

01:00:52.960 and so i brought another friend of mine named jake schick who's an another marine who was really badly

01:00:58.800 wounded and he man he was close going in that direction addicted to the drugs that they put him

01:01:06.400 on and like suicidal and he came out of it and he has an organization called 22 kill but you know so

01:01:16.640 there's there's real hard things that people go through and and i think that when you see people

01:01:21.600 in those stressful stressful situations it reveals who they are like as people you know and so do you

01:01:28.400 so taking away from that man that's could you i mean what uh you know life is such an equalizer

01:01:35.840 in so many ways man i mean to have a man whose father had so much accolades right and it would

01:01:41.280 seem like and then have another man his son that would have not only so many great amazing experiences

01:01:47.040 but also so many you know just put into the put to the fire you know fire i mean the struggles i can't

01:01:53.200 even imagine you know like you get imagine getting back like the part you told me like

01:01:57.840 imagine getting back and you see your wife and you're not even like you don't have all your body

01:02:00.960 parts anymore man that would just kill me and then you're about to have a son and he has all his body

01:02:05.840 parts and here you are like you know just like um i mean it's just life is just such an equalizer

01:02:13.680 when you see guys like that who have lost who have had you know physical sacrifices impairments

01:02:18.160 from their body do you feel bad still being fully able capable like is there any i don't feel bad

01:02:24.800 i feel thankful i feel blessed yeah and and when i see the attitudes i had i had another guy is it

01:02:29.760 hard to see that as i can imagine man even saying that when you see that attitude of somebody who has

01:02:33.360 a positive attitude yeah when you see jake schick when you see i've had multiple guys on my podcast that

01:02:39.120 have been severely wounded a guy named rob jones a guy named rob jones lost both of his legs above the

01:02:44.320 thigh i'm sorry above the knee he ran 31 marathons in 31 days wow 31 marathons in 31 days yeah so like

01:02:53.920 when so it doesn't make me feel bad it makes me feel inspired it makes me want to make sure

01:02:59.120 that i'm not being a yeah because those guys those guys are out there and they're charging on and they're

01:03:07.440 not looking down they're not they're not asking for sympathy they're out there getting after it and so and

01:03:12.480 we should be too exactly right we should be and we should feel and we shouldn't feel ashamed that

01:03:17.200 we're not but we should feel like you say we should feel inspired and we should you know wake up

01:03:21.600 and with some sense of gratitude that here we are fully able-bodied and if we just set in motion

01:03:28.320 sometimes a foot a step something somebody who doesn't even have a foot anymore doesn't even have

01:03:33.040 a step and if we just do that that our brain and uh just because a lot of our listeners struggle

01:03:37.920 with the emo you know emotional type of stuff you know but if we just do that that our brains

01:03:41.920 and our spirits will follow yeah and sometimes i take a little bit of flack for saying this but

01:03:49.360 but you got to like get control of your emotions yeah you got to like say okay you know what

01:03:54.240 this girl left me or this job i lost or i had this happen to me when i was a kid you got to say you

01:04:00.400 know what okay i'm not gonna let that situation control me and i'm gonna i'm gonna take control of

01:04:04.720 my emotions and i'm gonna move forward you gotta you gotta assert yourself you know your mind is

01:04:09.520 stronger than those little emotions that are running around inside your head you can overpower them yeah

01:04:13.520 you can do it and if you don't do it they're they're gonna run wild and they don't deserve to

01:04:19.600 yeah they don't deserve they don't know what they're doing they're just up there making noise and going

01:04:22.800 crazy and running around and and calling things out it's like no you stop get control of those emotions

01:04:28.880 you you got to do it sometimes and again a lot of people say hey that's that's not it's not easy

01:04:35.280 for everyone i get that it's not easy but man the alternative is like just let your emotions run run

01:04:40.160 everything and run you into the dirt don't don't let that happen right grab hold of them yeah grab

01:04:44.800 hold of them get control and like you said start taking a step in the right direction that's where it

01:04:49.360 starts man i love that man i love that and i need it's just so funny man i you know i'm so happy to be

01:04:54.800 hearing this right now in my life you know like uh you know because yeah i'm just uh you know ever

01:05:01.760 since i got into like getting into the aa program just a program just something that helped me to

01:05:05.760 start to change my perspective yeah you know um well it's a form of discipline right it's a form of

01:05:10.880 discipline you know that's that's i wrote another book called discipline equals freedom when you put

01:05:15.920 some kind of discipline in your life it's gonna it's gonna give you freedom ultimately right like before

01:05:20.720 when you were addicted to whatever you were addicted to you you're a slave to those things

01:05:25.280 that's what you were and so when you put the discipline around those things it gives you

01:05:28.800 freedom and and it's clear with that's a really clear example but it's clear with anything like

01:05:34.320 when you if you're gonna spend all your money if you're gonna waste all your money you're gonna end

01:05:38.240 up a slave to to finances all the time you're always gonna be worried about hey can i can i make

01:05:43.120 can i make rent this month it's like no put discipline around your spending put discipline around your work

01:05:48.400 habits put discipline around how you invest your money and save your money and that's going to give

01:05:52.720 you more freedom in the long run yes so the more discipline you put in your life the better off

01:05:58.000 you're going to end up the more freedom you're going to have is it hard for you to have like

01:06:02.320 is it hard for you to like relax a little bit sometimes or no man is it hard for you to let go

01:06:07.120 like what's like like what's like a something you would do like what's a vacation you would take

01:06:10.640 like not in the middle east with a gun uh i i surf oh you do so i surf i play guitar oh nice

01:06:20.240 and yeah kelly slater's supposed to come on here oh really that's some point yeah it should be cool

01:06:23.920 i never met him but we got in this conversation about water on instagram yeah what was the

01:06:27.200 conversation about water i just i don't know water kind of freaks me out you know more of a land guy

01:06:31.440 kind of yeah and uh and he's like man water is okay you know and that was kind of the gist of

01:06:36.880 there's a little more yeah no i think that'll be that'll be good but see surfing is the same

01:06:41.440 thing it kind of gives you it's it's a mind i don't say it's mindless but it's pretty mindless

01:06:46.480 when you're out there your your mind is just kind of wandering it's like jujitsu your mind is just kind

01:06:50.080 of wandering and you're you're letting your mind go i play guitar you know i do that to relax i go

01:06:54.560 watch the sunset and play guitar you know i live in san diego it's like guess what i'm gonna do i'm

01:06:59.040 gonna watch the sunset i'm gonna play some some get box yeah that's the national pastime down there

01:07:03.680 um how many drunk people think you are john cena that's what i want to know i would say

01:07:08.640 i would say a decent amount you know i get called out and i think he's younger than me people say you

01:07:14.320 look like john cena i would say he looks like me yeah what's up yeah yeah i wouldn't i mean i would

01:07:19.200 have had probably i don't even know if i would have known probably if i hadn't um you know done some

01:07:23.360 research and stuff like that do you uh do you feel like that we are getting weaker as a society of

01:07:31.520 men do you feel like that

01:07:39.040 as i said before there's some guys that are coming up right now that are hard as nails i see

01:07:43.920 them in the you know when i go out and i meet with the young military guys right now they're hard

01:07:48.400 as nails and they're better than better than i ever was they're they're learning faster they're learning

01:07:53.600 more they understand everything from the physical aspects of how to work out better and how to be in

01:07:58.880 better shape and how to recover better they know all that stuff better than than we did in my

01:08:03.040 generation they understand all the tactics better because we've been at war for so long they're

01:08:08.480 getting taught better so there's guys that are out there that are better and stronger and tougher

01:08:13.600 than than i was right but at the same time are there are there people that are getting pampered and

01:08:20.080 getting their hands held so much that they don't know how to do anything for themselves yeah you

01:08:24.160 know that's why i ended up writing those kids book i wrote i wrote a couple kids books as well

01:08:28.800 and nice we'll share links to those that's awesome yeah way the warrior kid it's like there's a kid

01:08:34.000 he doesn't know his times tables he can't do any pull-ups he doesn't know how to swim and he's getting

01:08:39.200 picked on in school and last day of school comes around and he's all sad and crying because he's he ends

01:08:45.680 up on the pull-up bar and everyone's laughing at him because he can't do any pull-ups and he kind of

01:08:50.160 runs away and goes behind the library and starts crying and when that happens he as he's going home

01:08:56.000 he remembers that his uncle jake is coming to stay with him for the summer and his uncle jake was in

01:09:00.080 the seal teams oh i was a pedophile no no not not at all man not at all his uncle jake's come come to

01:09:08.080 stay with him and his uncle jake's you know says hey you want to go you want to go play basketball

01:09:11.600 tomorrow you want to go for a swim what do you want to do and he's like well i i can't go for a swim

01:09:16.240 my life's horrible and he explains all these problems he has and uncle jake says hey all these

01:09:19.760 problems we can get them fixed wow puts him on a workout program teaches him how to study

01:09:24.640 teaches him how to eat right teaches him jujitsu so he can defend himself teaches him how to swim

01:09:29.520 puts him on the path and a lot of kids don't don't have that right now and teaches them that

01:09:33.120 discipline is going to give you freedom a lot of kids don't have discipline and there's something

01:09:37.280 that happened i don't know what it was it was between it's some generational thing there's so many

01:09:41.600 young men out there who i think that are grasping towards guys like you uh guys like jordan

01:09:48.480 peterson coming from a little bit of a different perspective but you know um guys like joe rogan

01:09:53.120 guys you know who we are just bet like we are just empty with some of that i don't know if it's a

01:10:00.160 parental thing i don't know what it is but there's some and it's it's i just i see it everywhere and i

01:10:05.680 hear about it a lot it's a lot of men are and i think that's what it is we did not learn any discipline

01:10:11.200 somehow yeah and i think also it has a little bit to do with if you're always being told if you

01:10:18.000 well let me not not not always being told but if you're never told hey it's okay to be strong or

01:10:22.880 it's good to be strong hey it's good to be able to defend yourself right hey it's good to get good

01:10:28.480 grades and kick ass in school it's better you want to be smarter the the idea that we can't compete with

01:10:36.000 each other i think is is has something to do with it to say hey it's we don't want to compete with

01:10:40.800 each other like no actually you are going to compete with people and and if you don't think

01:10:44.480 you're going to compete man you're going to have a hard life because life is life is about competition

01:10:48.880 and again does this mean i'm competing with everyone i mean i'm like hey i'm going to get

01:10:52.320 more downloads than theo right i don't really care man i hope you get more downloads than me

01:10:57.280 but i'm competing with you i'm competing with myself i want to do a better job that's what we're

01:11:01.520 that's what we're doing right and it brings everybody up exactly whereas if you get told

01:11:06.240 all the time hey you don't know being strong is bad hey standing up for yourself is bad hey if you

01:11:12.000 have an opinion it's better if you just accept everyone's opinion it's like no actually you can

01:11:15.520 have your own opinion that's okay yeah and so i think a combination of those things of i think that

01:11:23.360 ends up putting at in in a certain generation has put guys in a situation where they they look up and

01:11:29.200 they say there's something in them that wants to be a warrior right that wants to compete that

01:11:34.400 wants to fight that wants to win but they've never been able to nurture that thing right it's never

01:11:39.040 been given any water right and it's not even been allowed to even kind of peek its head around exactly

01:11:44.720 because because because a mom or dad saying no no it's it's okay everyone's a winner yeah no actually

01:11:49.920 you feel it right you you lose the game and you're like man i'm a loser and someone says no no it's

01:11:53.760 okay you're still a winner you don't feel that way fuck that sherman's a fucking loser bro that's

01:11:58.000 that i remember this one dude and this dude one time they had this kid in our school named sherman

01:12:02.080 right and he was a fucking loser bro and he wasn't probably really well everybody thought he was

01:12:05.440 a loser he lost everything dude and then one day the last day of school i think in fourth grade he

01:12:11.680 somehow got some boom boxes and put them in the cafeteria right and turned them all on to michael

01:12:16.240 jackson right this was the most ginger kid he was so transparent you could see him being alive you

01:12:21.440 could see all of his organs right i mean just completely pale and he fucking did the entire michael

01:12:27.360 jackson dance on the tables and just blew the entire universe open right and after that i don't

01:12:31.840 even know what happened i think it might have went directly to the moon like he was just a straight

01:12:34.960 champion after that um but yeah i mean it's like i think there's also a thing yeah so i think it's

01:12:41.360 that everybody's the same there's this thing that it's it's not okay to be different or to like open

01:12:46.000 up your mouth if you have a different perspective even because then at least you learn to be wrong

01:12:50.080 you learn to be right you learn to like oh well maybe i am this way or maybe i'm more this way you

01:12:54.640 know i think also there's a lot of things where a lot of parents aren't a lot of discipline their

01:12:59.120 kids and so a lot of kids don't feel um you know young people feel more like our parents feel i think

01:13:07.680 more like they're not allowed to kind of discipline you know like when i was growing up you guys spanked

01:13:12.160 i remember my my buddy's mom would beat my ass all the time i'm like i don't even fucking know this

01:13:16.240 lady you know but she would whoop my ass and i'm so grateful that she did it was it was so i mean i

01:13:21.200 still can feel sometimes that hand hit my you know my thighs you know um but i think there's

01:13:27.360 definitely a discipline uh a discipline thing that goes on out there um i have one other question then

01:13:32.160 we have some fans that called in with questions for you right um do you there's a lot of ptsd now

01:13:37.840 there's a lot of stuff that happens when men are in the military and um oh i had this question too

01:13:42.160 did you ever were there ever an instance where you tried to get yourself captured so you could be a pow

01:13:48.160 no i did not try that you didn't and i don't even know well first of all there wasn't any

01:13:55.360 such thing like they were going to cut your head off there wasn't like hey you're going to we're

01:13:58.400 going to capture you and we're going to hang on to you like no they're going to get you they're

01:14:01.520 going to torture you to cut your head off but no that's that's not even a consideration right yeah

01:14:06.240 i just wonder i guess if you meet some of these other men with like you know that have had such

01:14:09.600 extreme instances does party view as that you know as that um you know as that battler does that

01:14:17.040 battler in you almost do you want to get tested absolutely yeah is that an is that an extreme

01:14:22.880 test yes is that probably the most extreme test it's definitely one of them but um you know no

01:14:29.280 i never never thought about that for a millisecond like it's not on your christmas wish list or no

01:14:33.520 not on any kind of list whatsoever um do there's a lot of this stuff with ptsd there's a lot of people

01:14:39.600 that claim that a lot of other men are like claim people women or people are claiming pts like

01:14:43.680 there's a lot of like a scam like with insurance you know like people getting money do you do you

01:14:49.360 feel like that is putting like a bad gloss on men that are actually suffering do you hear anything

01:14:56.720 about that well there's there's i would say that there's probably a portion of people that claim to

01:15:04.400 have ptsd and don't really have any good reason for ptsd and i'd say there's a lot of guys that say that

01:15:12.160 they don't have ptsd and actually do have some ptsd wow so it's a lot of brave men there's a lot of

01:15:17.920 guys that don't want to admit to it that but i think we're getting better about that as we get

01:15:23.120 better about saying hey it's okay if you've got ptsd a lot of people go oh is it okay well then i

01:15:28.080 guess i had ptsd too or i have ptsd too so i i would say there's some of that out there and i think

01:15:36.000 i'm not quite sure what to do about that or how to handle that but i i think that guys for me you

01:15:45.440 know when i meet a guy that's been through a lot you know i just want to help them out yeah whatever

01:15:50.080 whatever way we can to make sure that they are getting the help that they need and if we help

01:15:54.320 some people that don't really need it okay i mean that's that's that might be the the sacrifice that we

01:16:00.080 make that's a good way to look at it would you ever um would you ever have to be deployed again

01:16:05.520 or no no because i retired you did yeah but if hit the fan can we count on you i'd be back to

01:16:11.360 ready to rock and roll that's cool did i went to but no the the serious answer to that isn't i i fully

01:16:17.200 retired so unless we get like level nine world war three going on i probably won't be participating and

01:16:24.400 to more important than that there's plenty of guys in in the military right now that are way

01:16:29.040 better than me and they got it handled yeah yeah man i went to um you know over the years i did some

01:16:35.040 different uh just going and doing some service we went to iraq one time or can't we went to arif john

01:16:40.160 one time when went to that it's like a base or something where people land in a lot of planes land

01:16:44.880 i think it's in saudi arabia maybe but they had a moment where there's this alarm that goes off if

01:16:49.360 something comes into the base and then everybody's just kind of standing there and you're waiting to see

01:16:55.200 like if something yeah it's gonna blow the fucking building off yeah yeah yeah and it was like

01:17:02.320 bro it was the craziest thing i didn't know and i'd never been around were you in a bunker did you

01:17:06.960 get did they get you into a bunker of some kind no we were i was actually in the gym and uh and it

01:17:11.520 just went off i guess something had come over one of the fences and there's this alarm and it was just

01:17:15.440 one of the most scariest things that i'd ever heard um and been a part of because basically then i

01:17:20.320 was waiting for 30 seconds to see if i was going to be alive it was like a really shitty game show

01:17:24.480 kind of yeah so so that sucks and then like i've been in a couple situations where i was getting

01:17:28.480 mortared and you we where i've actually heard mortar launches so now you know they're coming and you

01:17:34.080 don't know and it's just a it's just a roll of the dice at that point but then again that's like

01:17:39.360 you're shaking out like oh my god that that's nothing compared to like when we were talking about

01:17:42.960 earlier about world war one where these guys were taking that sustained bombardment of massive like i'm

01:17:49.680 talking about oh i had nine mortars shot at me these guys had tens if not hundreds of thousands

01:17:58.160 of artillery rounds fired at them there was millions of rounds like before the i think

01:18:01.760 it was the battle of the psalm before the battle of psalm they fired 1.6 million rounds at the enemy

01:18:08.480 before they started so we're talking a whole nother level and that's why you see guys go watch some

01:18:12.880 world war ii world war one videos on shell shock it's what's one of the most horrible things you can see

01:18:17.760 and it also shows you how fragile the human mind is and that there's guys that would go blind they

01:18:22.800 there's nothing wrong they never got hit but they would go blind or they'd go deaf or they'd go mute

01:18:26.800 because their mind would just completely shut down where they couldn't control their body anymore

01:18:31.440 it's it's a horrible thing so i'm glad you got to experience one one millionth of a fraction of a

01:18:37.360 percent of that when you were in saudi arabia and the horn went off and and but seriously take that

01:18:43.120 take that fraction of a second and use multiply it to infinitely and that's that's what these guys

01:18:48.560 experienced i can't even imagine what these guys i mean i can't even fathom is it is it so loud that

01:18:53.920 you can't think or does that start is that like how it is the first couple of times you hear like

01:18:59.120 some explosions and then it starts to adjust you know it's weird that your your mind does some things

01:19:04.800 when there's situations going on that i'm sure you've heard this before that things slow you've been

01:19:10.000 in a car accident and things slow down did things slow down yes yeah so there's that there's also

01:19:15.680 some selective hearing that starts to take place where you can hear things like a voice that you

01:19:20.160 might not normally hear because there's loud gunfire whatever so yeah there's some things that your mind

01:19:24.720 does in that survival mode that are very effective and make you a little bit more ready to to handle the

01:19:32.160 situation at hand do you start to have did did your faith adjust as you went through experiences like

01:19:38.160 that like did you have any um was there anything like that that kind of happened for you you know

01:19:43.040 for me my it was sort of like my patriotism like it it it is what it is it was what it was it's it's

01:19:51.120 does it get strengthened like i'll tell you the thing that strengthened me more than anything is uh is

01:19:56.240 from a faith perspective is like you get to see guys that put their friends above themselves wow and and and

01:20:08.400 and you know i guys that put their their own lives their friends lives above their own lives and when you

01:20:17.440 see that is it pretty incredible if there isn't there's there's a you know maybe it's not a doctrinal

01:20:26.080 religious element to that but there is a there is a deeply spiritual powerful thing when someone says

01:20:33.600 you know what i'm gonna make sure and and you know this this happened with one of my guys named

01:20:39.120 mike monsoor um you know there was a grenade thrown onto a roof and there was three guys up there with

01:20:45.120 him and he jumped on that grenade and and he sacrificed his life for his friends and if that's not

01:20:54.640 a a level of spirituality and belief and he was a very faithful guy he he was a believer in god

01:21:02.080 and you know i think that with seeing that and knowing that with you know just understanding that

01:21:09.440 that that can happen and that that's that's a religion uh onto its own the way that we treat

01:21:17.120 each other and the sacrifice we can make for each other there's uh there's a religion right there kind

01:21:20.960 of wow that's powerful man um yeah thanks for sharing some of those thoughts um yeah i'd love to

01:21:27.680 get in a few questions here nick if we have some totally and uh i had a question too okay uh how do you

01:21:33.200 prioritize and the military like russia as a threat in comparison to some of the other people were

01:21:39.920 battling because in the news it's huge so i think that i think that if i think that we have to we have

01:21:52.400 to consider all threats right and i think that we need to consider all threats as viable threats and i think

01:21:58.720 the best way to keep viable threats at bay is by being as strong and powerful as we possibly can

01:22:07.040 and to have the world know that if someone gets out of line we will handle that problem and i think

01:22:17.760 that's the best way to avoid having to handle those problems and if someone's listening they think oh you're

01:22:23.440 a warmonger and you you know what you just said is hey we should go out and just start smashing people

01:22:27.600 no actually it's the the the opposite is what i believe i believe i don't you know when

01:22:32.720 i say this all the time the folks the people that have been to war we're the last people that want

01:22:38.960 to go to war because we know who's going we know it's our friends and we know what happens and we know

01:22:44.480 that it's not it's it's going to destroy lives and people are going to get maimed and killed and

01:22:50.320 families are going to be left without fathers and sons it's awful and so i'm the last person that's

01:22:56.320 saying hey we should go to war but i believe that the best way to avoid going to war with russia with

01:23:02.960 iran is to be strong and powerful and have people know and have the world know that if someone wants

01:23:10.960 to test us someone wants to push us beyond what we believe to be fair we will we will handle that

01:23:18.080 problem and we will handle it strong quick judiciously but at the same time we'll handle it with enough

01:23:25.120 force that we won't have to worry about that problem again word okay so our first voicemail

01:23:31.920 our first voicemail uh we had a caller come in and asked theo who he'd want to spend dinner with

01:23:36.960 and then we put it back out to the listeners and we thought we'd get a lot of historical historical

01:23:41.120 figures celebrities but one guy kind of went a different way with it and we want to see what you

01:23:45.280 think of it theo jim from pittsburgh who i would have lunch with uh in 2005 i was in iraq and uh i got

01:23:55.280 injured twice the first time somebody uh lobbed a couple mortars in and for the longest time i was just

01:24:04.080 so angry and full of hatred but i really started thinking about it and i would like to have lunch with

01:24:11.120 that guy i mean at that time it hurt me and hurt uh five other marines but i want to figure out

01:24:20.400 why just talk to him and hear his side hear his point of view you know is he some radical guy that's

01:24:29.440 brainwashed or is it some guy that just trying to protect his home and his children and felt this was

01:24:36.960 the way he had to do it thanks brother cool love your stuff you that's good you're killing it man

01:24:46.320 yeah i i think that that's that's pretty cool that's a pretty cool statement

01:24:50.000 and is that a normal thing sometimes like to wonder who's over there uh

01:24:55.040 i don't know if that's a normal thing to wonder who's over there you know we got to see him you know

01:24:59.280 right so a lot of these guys you said there was some real so so we knew who we were dealing with

01:25:03.920 and you know it's it's interesting you know that guy captain plum that i talked about that was in in

01:25:08.720 the hanoi hilton for six years he went back there you know and he he went there and it's you know

01:25:14.960 there's propaganda and they make it seem like the prisoners were treated well and all the stuff which

01:25:18.800 is complete lies but it didn't really like change his viewpoint or anything right you know um

01:25:27.360 so i think that that's a that's a great statement i wish that guy could get you know i would love for

01:25:32.000 him to be able to sit down with whoever lob those mortars at him and i think to his point he was

01:25:36.800 asking or he stated is it a guy that was radical or is it some guy that was just i would say it was

01:25:42.960 either some guy that was radical like he said or some guy that was getting paid 50 bucks by the by the

01:25:49.680 insurgents to go and lob these mortars wow and to me it could be either one of those and and that's the

01:25:55.840 thing about war man war doesn't care you know that the name that has your has your your the

01:26:01.600 bullet that has your name on it the bullet doesn't have any name on it it just says to whom it may

01:26:05.600 concern and wow and that's the way it is do you find it like i was just in china to that guy by the

01:26:10.480 way thanks for your service brother yeah um do i find it interesting like i was just in china a few

01:26:16.080 weeks ago and you can't get citizenship in china like you can't like it seems like there's a lot

01:26:20.320 of countries that like they're not super welcoming of you know like they're not unwelcoming but they're

01:26:25.200 it's not like this open door policy that sometimes we seem to have in america um and i know that's

01:26:30.720 kind of what defines america in a way is that we have a place where people can you know we have kind

01:26:35.280 of a place where people can come to and feel welcome you know but then sometimes i start to

01:26:39.760 feel like our country's starting to turn into a fucking airport where it's just like at the atlanta

01:26:43.360 airport just forever it's like this huge layover for everybody when um yeah i don't know sometimes i

01:26:50.080 want to feel i want to be okay saying i'm an american without feeling like i'm a bad person

01:26:56.160 i feel like there's something like that that's going on in the ether these days if you come and

01:26:59.360 hang out with me and my friends you can say that all day and you won't seem like a bad person any of

01:27:03.600 us thanks bro i appreciate that let's get another uh let's get two more nick hi this is austin with

01:27:10.560 a question for jaco willink i just want to know if there's anywhere i can listen to your old punk

01:27:15.040 band rage of discipline you brought up on the joe rogan show i've been looking for it but can't find

01:27:19.920 it any information would be helpful thanks a lot love your work did you ever play with kyle turley

01:27:24.640 did you guys ever cross paths i don't know no don't know who that is who's kyle turley he's uh

01:27:28.480 he's an offensive lineman for the rams and um and he had a punk band um and he also served in the

01:27:34.240 military oh right on yeah so i was when i was a kid like i said i was a real rebellious kid and

01:27:38.560 we were always in bands now the bands meant you know we were gonna go in my shed and make noise you

01:27:44.240 know what i mean it wasn't like we were out on tour or anything like that but we did we did go in the

01:27:49.040 studio one time and we uh we we put down some tracks i think we put down like 12 or 15 tracks

01:27:56.000 and my my bro who was in the band with me who's now a guy up in la elgin james um he's actually a writer

01:28:05.200 he's a writer and he's he's got his own cool story you could have him on the podcast yeah i'd love to

01:28:09.840 reach out to him yeah he's um he anyways i went in the military and he he ended up joining gang and

01:28:16.400 kind of getting crazy for a while and ended up in federal prison for a little bit and in the meantime

01:28:21.840 he had broken away from that scene and went to uh got started making movies and he made a movie he

01:28:28.480 made a little short movie got invited to the sundance film festival or the sundance film lab and he

01:28:33.360 learned how to how to make movies he ended up doing a great movie called little birds and now he

01:28:39.520 there's a new program you ever heard of sons of anarchy yeah so there's a spin-off from sons of

01:28:44.400 anarchy it's called mayans mc it's about a mexican motorcycle gang and anyways he's that's his show

01:28:51.280 yeah oh wow so he's writing that thing interesting my but but yeah when we were kids me and him we're

01:28:57.520 getting our rock and roll on hardcore music and we have the original uh uh what are they called

01:29:06.400 reel to reel tapes and we were just talking about this what is that reel to reel tapes this is like

01:29:11.120 back in the day when in a recording studio they got all these different tracks and so you need a

01:29:15.760 thicker tape to record all the tracks and so you had these big like reels like a movie like a little

01:29:20.400 i think i've seen this on the wall or something yeah so he's got the tracks and we're we're we're

01:29:24.320 finding a place right now that can take those tracks and and and burn them down onto we're gonna

01:29:29.040 release a couple yeah we're gonna get it real we got like i think we got three songs that are

01:29:33.760 salvageable that would be worth throwing out there so so yeah we'll do it man we'll put it out there

01:29:38.720 and that could be a new weapon we would change the name of the band like every like six weeks or

01:29:43.840 whatever because you know we'd say like no we're going in a new direction right because we took

01:29:48.320 ourselves super seriously and so the the kind of the iconic name of the band was bronson's children

01:29:54.800 after charles bronson and we had these cool shirts that had a picture of charles bronson they had

01:30:00.160 bronson's children like little kids writing on it and uh and so no yeah yeah so so i actually i

01:30:08.080 actually reprinted those and i and i i sell them so so people people are representing the bronson's

01:30:13.840 children you know so when we bring it back out yeah rage of discipline was the name of the band

01:30:18.160 for a little while was rage of discipline we were called struggle we were called lock and load we had

01:30:23.040 all kinds of names man you know we'd have like internal issues about the direction and artistic control

01:30:29.120 you know how it is when you're 14 and just playing in a punk rock band that's crazy you're

01:30:33.760 really just loud in the garage it sounds like oh yeah it's definitely loud in the garage there's

01:30:37.920 no doubt about that that reminds me of um have you ever had henry rollins on i haven't but the

01:30:42.480 interesting thing he's an interesting man yeah yeah so when i was a kid i was way into black flag which

01:30:48.160 was you know where he originally played and he was the vocalist got brought into black flag but

01:30:52.640 so i went on tour with when he when when he left black flag he put out some albums of his own

01:31:01.440 in the beginning they were called it was called rollins band the first one was called henrietta

01:31:04.960 collins but then he the next one was called lifetime this is a great album and when that album came out

01:31:10.960 me and all my friends from bronson's children we went on tour and we would go to every show he'd play

01:31:16.960 and we i put we probably went to like 10 shows but we i'd saw him a bunch of years yeah yeah yeah

01:31:21.280 and see the cool thing is this is back in the day where you know we'd go to cbgb's and show up at

01:31:26.800 you know three o'clock in the afternoon help them offload all their gear help them get their gear set

01:31:30.960 up as much as we could hang out and it was it was like it was nothing man it's kind of like what the

01:31:36.480 ufc used to be like when you just hang out with all the fighters we'd just be hanging out with

01:31:39.760 everyone everyone's cool and so did that with rollins probably like i said it probably went to 10 probably 10

01:31:45.920 shows but i saw him a bunch of well not a bunch i probably saw him five other times or eight other

01:31:50.400 times besides that and you know when i was a kid rollins was this kind of like bigger than life kind

01:31:54.800 of guy because he was he's about 10 years older than me and um you know he you know he has like

01:32:01.520 search and destroy tattooed on his back and he's like you know all hardcore and you know that definitely

01:32:07.360 influenced me when i was a kid you know because i was like 13 14 15 years old that was your next band

01:32:12.480 oh yeah for sure and and there's a there's an album called black flag my war and if you listen

01:32:17.520 to my war side two it's this really slow as a first it was the first kind of like really slow and heavy

01:32:25.840 music that started to mix the hardcore and the punk with black sabbath into one

01:32:31.520 and so when i was a kid that album side two of that album stayed on my record plate for like a year

01:32:37.280 straight just play that over and over again but and then so then i joined the military because i knew

01:32:43.120 that's what i always wanted to do and when uh it was probably 1992 whenever the first lalapalooza

01:32:49.760 remember yeah i remember so lalapalooza rollins was playing lalapalooza and i i went and i didn't

01:32:57.600 have tickets or anything but i figured if i could just get like hook up with him he'd let me in because

01:33:02.640 because you'd seen him so many times yeah like we'd seen him and like you know we would hang out

01:33:05.600 you know um not not like bros right but you know hey man he's he's 26 at the time right i'm 16 you

01:33:13.520 know that's that's so he's looking at me like hey man this guy's one of my one of my one of my young

01:33:18.400 people or whatever yeah and so then fast forward a few years whatever it is and i went to lalapalooza

01:33:25.200 and i you know i was pretty good when i was a kid at sneaking around and figuring stuff

01:33:28.480 covert operations and i finally i got to him and he he he looked at me like he recognized me

01:33:38.480 who knows you know what i mean yeah you meet a lot he's meeting a lot of people over the years

01:33:42.320 but like i said you know we were he might have recognized me who knows but i was like hey man

01:33:48.240 i you know i went on tour the lifetime tour 80 whatever it was 86 or something 89 88 whatever it was

01:33:54.240 wasn't he it's like 86 87 and he goes oh yeah man what's up and i was like hey man any chance you

01:33:59.040 could get us in you know get me and my boy here and i had some other kid that was in the seal teams

01:34:02.800 with me that was a old hardcore kid and he i just remember him saying he goes man it'd be easier to

01:34:08.240 get you into fort knox right now they got this place on lockdown and and he was cool and then that

01:34:12.800 was that and then i saw him a couple years later at uh cypress hill yeah i think it was cypress hill and

01:34:17.680 the beastie boys and rollins and saw him and so that was that and so to answer your question have

01:34:24.800 i had him on the podcast the answer is no i haven't had him on the podcast i talked about him on one of

01:34:29.840 the early podcasts somebody asked me about him and you know i kind of talked about the fact that you

01:34:34.320 know when i was a kid hey man this guy was like super hardcore and you know that's that he he had an

01:34:40.720 influence on me when i was younger and then you know as i got older uh you know and i started i was

01:34:46.480 you know like he had search and destroy tattooed on his back and like i was doing search and destroy

01:34:52.080 missions right so there was a do you think you're living out his tattoos a little bit and uh but it

01:34:58.160 would be interesting i definitely would like to sit down and talk to i'd like to find out if he really

01:35:01.680 actually remembers us yeah because he might because he's a smart man yeah for sure for sure and you

01:35:09.280 know it's i the guy had a and that band had a big influence on me they had a huge influence

01:35:16.160 they had a feelings on a lot of people yeah yeah did you did you like that kind of music growing

01:35:19.760 up no i did go to a cypress hill um i went on that tour actually if i can hit this hot girl with my

01:35:25.280 car in the parking lot one time and i still feel bad about it a little bit she was hot but did you

01:35:30.880 injure her you know what does that everybody's got their different definition i think of what

01:35:36.320 an injury did you have to bring her to the hospital look we didn't have to bro we were running late

01:35:41.840 okay but i think somebody might have but all that stuff we were talking earlier about being a good

01:35:46.400 person and doing good in the world i guess this was pre field this was high yeah high school this

01:35:52.000 is high literally i guess you know that that's another thing like i had these guys on my on my

01:35:56.720 podcast i had this podcast with captain plum and then i had another guy who was in world war ii

01:36:01.520 there was a fighter pilot world war ii and he got shot down in france oh in france and oh i hate the

01:36:08.960 friend yeah just like crazy this is when you know we were trying to help them right uh and

01:36:14.640 these guys start saying like well you know we try and uphold the warrior ethos and and doing good

01:36:19.520 things in life like you do jocko and i was like man don't put me in the same category as you guys

01:36:24.480 because these guys are like just you know i was like like you know a little kid running around like

01:36:28.720 a like an idiot when i was younger so do you still feel like a kid do you feel like an organized

01:36:33.680 kid what do you feel like it's weird because uh part of me still feels like i'm 14 you know what i

01:36:38.640 mean part of me just is still excited to get up and just get crazy and do stuff like i was maybe

01:36:44.720 like two years ago you know what a beach cruiser is a bicycle yeah so you know i live down by the

01:36:49.840 beach but there's a little hill and i was on my beach cruiser and i was going down this hill and

01:36:56.320 i had to make a left and there was like oncoming traffic and incoming what do you guys call that

01:37:02.720 uh just traffic that's heading towards me okay yeah i don't know if there's like a military term

01:37:06.640 for it yeah well incoming okay incoming is when there's rounds like artillery rounds coming towards

01:37:12.160 you yeah so when that siren went off when you were in saudi arabia that was to indicate incoming rounds

01:37:16.640 well at least i assume that's what it was right but yeah this is just oncoming traffic okay and i'm

01:37:20.960 i'm biking and i'm like in back of my mind i'm like i think i can make this right and so i do i like

01:37:26.960 pick up speed and i cut the car off and he honks and i pull up and i made it you know

01:37:31.680 you know and i'm just thinking you know like that's the 14 year old kid that just still will

01:37:36.080 slip out at sometimes and just do something stupid but and that's why it's like a miracle

01:37:40.800 that that you know that i'm alive that you're alive because you think about the dumb stuff

01:37:43.920 you did when you were 13 14 15 years old i mean we're talking ignorant stuff oh yeah and so

01:37:50.320 so so part of me still feels like that and part of me feels older and i guess you said the word

01:37:56.800 organized yeah i'd say i'm i'm more organized and and just as you get older and you learn more

01:38:02.080 and you start to get better perspective on on life and it's the stuff that you you know that you just

01:38:07.600 never listened to when you were a kid like my dad would tell me something and i'd just be like what

01:38:12.000 and this guy doesn't know what the hell is going on i do you know and you're just it's just because

01:38:15.840 you're dumb yeah and so as much as you want to then that's that's like the kids books that i wrote

01:38:23.120 it's like it's good for somebody to hear it from a different angle and i get all kinds of

01:38:28.320 dads you know that'll say hey thanks for saying this you know it's the same stuff i've been saying

01:38:32.400 but the kids listening now you know what i mean because people don't listen to their parents a lot

01:38:36.480 of times because you got to build up some kind of rebelliousness against your parents so that when

01:38:41.920 it comes time to leave you can do it you can do it easily right like if it's interesting it's a

01:38:46.640 necessity it's a necessity you have you know you're going to leave the nest so you have to try and

01:38:50.400 figure out how you're going to break away so if you're just we're always doing whatever your mom

01:38:54.000 and dad said and you were their little puppy well then when it comes time to go out and hunt on your

01:38:58.160 own you're not going to be able to do it so there's something that's genetically programmed into you to

01:39:02.000 start to rebel against those parents and start pushing the envelope and that's what i did when i

01:39:06.160 joined the navy i told my dad i was like hey i just joined the navy like i thought it was like i

01:39:10.240 thought i was like a 40 year old man i just joined the navy and he says oh he says you're going to hate it

01:39:16.400 wow and i said why do you think i'm going to hate it and he says because you don't like

01:39:19.600 authority and don't listen to anyone else you're like no i was like hey i'm going in the seal teams

01:39:24.800 you don't it's a team and i was that was which is just stupid because in the in the seal teams guess

01:39:29.600 what you you have bosses and you have officers and you have chiefs and you got to do you know you got

01:39:34.320 to you got to carry the line you got a toe line there there you do have more you do have more uh

01:39:40.960 influence right in the seal teams like there's influence up and down the chain of command and we're all

01:39:44.640 bros but at the same time you know it's like you got a mission to carry out you can go get it done

01:39:48.080 was it hard for you to learn to take at to uh take direction i'm finding that that's something

01:39:52.320 in my life i have tough time with sometimes but i know that it's probably better because uh anyway

01:39:57.040 yeah was it hard for you to learn that at any point well here's what i did so yeah my dad was 100%

01:40:02.240 right like i don't like authority i don't like listening to people that's why i was running around

01:40:05.680 in a hardcore punk rock band when i was 13 years old that's that's why yeah and so yeah that's one of the

01:40:13.040 many names we had and and and so what i did to try and to try and get around that is i just i just

01:40:22.000 started saying okay whatever someone's gonna have to tell me to do i'm just gonna do it beforehand

01:40:26.400 so like i was a radio man in my first platoon and so that means you got to prepare all these radios and

01:40:31.120 you gotta waterproof the radios and you gotta set up a communications plan and as soon as i realized

01:40:36.080 that's what i was gonna get told to do i just started doing it so when my boss would come in hey you

01:40:39.040 gotta do something it's already done so you aren't telling me what to do because i already did it

01:40:43.040 so that was sort of my way of getting around it and then i continued to do that was always trying

01:40:47.200 to stay a step ahead and make make stay a step ahead of my boss so i wasn't getting told what

01:40:53.440 to do because i didn't like it and then as i got older i was like oh you know why they're telling me

01:40:57.040 what to do because it's going to help us as a team and that's okay so i got to put my rebelliousness

01:41:02.960 in check a little bit as i got a little bit older do you have children or no i do have four

01:41:07.280 children do you really yeah yeah damn that's crazy dude i think you could sell your sperm on

01:41:11.280 the internet dude honestly or like at one of those farms like those bull things you know yeah dude oh

01:41:16.000 i bet a farmer would somebody a farmer oh dude somebody would pay probably 40 grand for half a

01:41:20.880 gallon i bet yeah um i hear you do you love being a father is it awesome it's awesome yeah it's awesome

01:41:27.120 did you think it would be that cool was it unique was it different to you does it do you feel like a

01:41:31.280 does it have do you feel like a commander at all is there any similarities there's definite

01:41:35.120 similarities but there's there's the key difference between being a dad and being a leader in a seal

01:41:40.960 platoon is there's there's one there's one level okay so when you're in a seal platoon and you're in

01:41:48.240 charge of a seal platoon you love your guys i mean you that's that's your you love your guys you want

01:41:54.160 to take care of them they're your number one priority and i didn't think that that feeling could ever get

01:41:59.680 any stronger wow but when you have kids there's one level more of emotion and the level more of

01:42:05.760 emotion that you have is that there you want nothing more in life than for them to be successful

01:42:12.320 right you want them and this is what makes it hard because when you're a dad and you're 47 years old

01:42:18.640 you're looking at your kids like listen kid if you do this right here it's going to put you on the right

01:42:23.760 path and and then when they don't want to do it you're like no you want to beat it into them here's

01:42:28.640 the problem if you try and beat it into them they're going to rebel against it even harder

01:42:33.440 i had about i have a neighbor and my my middle daughter who's a who's a badass right she's a wrestler

01:42:42.720 she's a she's just strong oh she could probably beat bernard shab i think yeah for sure yeah and

01:42:49.920 so she's she but at a certain age she was doing cheerleading right and so i just was like okay you're

01:42:56.080 gonna do cheerleading and there's a great athleticism in cheerleading you know but there's

01:42:59.920 also like some stuff about cheerleading with the hair and the all this makeup and all this stuff

01:43:04.960 and so it's not exactly like the number one thing i wanted my daughter to do even though they get a

01:43:09.200 lot of confidence out of it there's some real positives to it i don't want to talk bad about it

01:43:13.040 but it's not something i was super fired up but my neighbor goes he says oh where's your daughter

01:43:17.760 i said oh she's you know she's a cheerleading and he goes oh you let her do that oh and i said well

01:43:23.200 i do so she doesn't come home with like a tattoo on her forehead right because that's what happens

01:43:27.920 if right and eventually she said she didn't want to she wanted to focus on wrestling and and not but

01:43:31.920 you had to kind of stay in there and right if i would have in my mind if i would have forced her

01:43:37.040 and said no you're not allowed to do that she would have either just done it even more or she would

01:43:41.920 have rebelled against me in a in a bad bad way where all of a sudden you know she's doing things that

01:43:47.040 are really outside the box and that's i always tell me when you got kids like you got to keep them in

01:43:51.920 the box but you want to give them a nice big box right your kids a lot of parents they think that

01:43:56.080 their kids are going to be who they want them to be like who who you who you want your kid to be is

01:44:02.240 who they're going to be and that's not going to happen i'm here to break the news to you you they're

01:44:06.320 going to you want to keep them in a box now if they get so far out of the box that it's going to

01:44:10.400 disrupt their life or ruin their life like they're going to go to jail to start doing stuff like that

01:44:15.680 obviously get out something that's going to hurt their health really bad you got to pull them back inside the

01:44:19.840 box and you got to find a way to do it that they don't rebel even harder against you and i think

01:44:24.480 my parents to their credit gave me enough leeway because believe me i i pushed the envelope on the

01:44:30.320 leeway yeah i mean with satan's nutsack you know we were charging hard and so they gave me enough leeway

01:44:36.640 i think to to where i didn't when i got to the edges i came back on my own you know what i mean and i

01:44:44.160 think that's the proper way to do it if you can right it's hard hard to walk that line it's awesome man

01:44:49.200 and um will you have any more children four is good i would my my wife told me no more children

01:44:54.480 that's what my wife told me yeah so uh and where'd you meet your wife at i'm at my wife overseas

01:44:59.440 actually oh yeah overseas yeah she's a brit my wife's a brit oh wow yeah crazy man really i think

01:45:07.600 i mean i've always had issues with the patriots my favorite movie aim small miss small okay okay

01:45:13.040 what's a movie that you watch like what's like a funny movie that you would enjoy that you like

01:45:16.640 uh i mean big lebowski you know is right there at the top of as far as funny movies i think the

01:45:21.280 big lebowski is i don't even know if there's any competition is there competition against big

01:45:24.960 lebowski i don't know that's a good one that's a notorious one movies aren't that great anymore

01:45:29.920 that's what i kind of feel do you um are there any war movies that you watch that really kind of set

01:45:34.320 some of it into a place uh the pacific which is the miniseries that was on hbo the pacific was the

01:45:40.400 one that's about the pacific theater and then band of brothers is the same thing but it's about

01:45:43.920 the european theater theater it's about dick winners and they're both they're both amazing

01:45:48.160 and there's a bunch they're both based on books and actually the pacific is both based on a whole

01:45:52.400 bunch of books and i've actually covered i think every one of those books on my podcast because it

01:45:56.560 goes into way more detail in the books and so yeah those are those are two i think of of the best

01:46:02.960 portrayals that i've seen um do you ever read that the things they carried you know what i'm

01:46:07.760 talking about oh yeah absolutely i covered that book on my podcast wow yeah i'm gonna start with

01:46:12.320 that episode man i love that okay yeah yeah the episode of the podcast yeah and it is and that's

01:46:18.320 sort of a semi-fictional book and he ended up writing another book that's that's not as fictional but yeah

01:46:25.120 that's a great book for sure yeah i just love that thinking of all the things when you go into battle

01:46:29.760 and you're in battle and that sort of thing is any of that like at the morning before at night when

01:46:34.880 you're like it are there moments are you thinking are some of those things kind of milling around

01:46:38.800 inside of you regrets or what's kind of steaming up is there anything beyond this is something that

01:46:44.160 you know leif who wrote extreme ownership with me and who is is the owner of the company with me of

01:46:48.800 echelon front with me we we get asked questions like that and we always say the same thing which is

01:46:53.840 man you're so busy yeah especially like we you know he was a platoon commander i was the task unit

01:46:58.320 commander when we were going out of operation it was like we were so busy getting ready for that

01:47:02.320 operation there wasn't time to people would ask like what was your pump up music and i'm like

01:47:07.440 you're talking about we were sitting around listening to music like we were running up

01:47:10.400 deconfliction plans and going through the brief and making sure no new intel came in and making

01:47:14.160 sure our gear was squared away and getting the making sure the brief was all i mean that's what

01:47:17.360 we were doing so we weren't sitting around thinking about like anything i mean yeah and that's that

01:47:22.000 comes back to what we talked about earlier of just like being 100 focused like people be like oh did

01:47:26.160 you miss your family like i wasn't even thinking about my family i don't at that time i had wife and

01:47:29.760 three kids at home i wasn't thinking about my wife and three kids i was thinking about like okay

01:47:32.960 i that that's what i'm thinking about right is the situation that we're in and how are we going

01:47:38.000 to get through it yeah and you it doesn't mean that you're not thinking about them the love you

01:47:41.040 have for them though you guys all your experience that's baked into you but right now it's it's go

01:47:45.040 time you have focus you have your friends you have your uh you have your your group your unit that

01:47:49.040 you have to take care of yeah your own little band your your band of brothers out there man this

01:47:53.680 is fascinating man it's inspiring um and i really love the part about if we can't serve that we can still

01:47:59.600 serve our country by utilizing uh the freedoms and the gifts that we have here absolutely i think

01:48:05.760 it's fascinating um jocko willing thank you so much man we're going to put all all your stuff at

01:48:10.480 the beginning of the episode nick was there anything else you wanted to get in was there any other

01:48:13.760 questions one super quick question and i think it's really actionable advice i think you could probably

01:48:18.000 answer pretty quick okay great hey how's it going theo uh what's up jocko um this is brandon from

01:48:24.720 las vegas uh my question for jocko is uh in your opinion what's the best weapon for home defense

01:48:32.080 and what kind of music do you listen to just the first part yeah i mean the best weapon for home

01:48:37.440 defense first of all you got to make sure if you're going to get a weapon for home defense you got to

01:48:40.800 make sure you train with it and what you feel comfortable with a lot of people will say a shotgun

01:48:45.280 the noise that a shotgun makes is enough to just just the the cocking of a of a shotgun right when you

01:48:51.440 jack the slide on a shotgun it goes most criminals are going to run if they're smart as soon as they

01:48:56.880 hear that noise so a shotgun is a great weapon it's a it's an easy to shoot weapon uh but at the same

01:49:02.960 time you know and then you've got handguns if you need something quick but the the biggest thing with

01:49:07.840 both those is you have to train you have to train to use them and uh getting a weapon and not training

01:49:13.760 to use it is is is dumb so if you're gonna get a weapon which definitely if you if you've got a home and

01:49:19.280 you live in an area where you can come under threat you should be able to protect your home

01:49:22.480 and you should get a weapon and if you get a weapon whether it's a pistol whether it's a shotgun

01:49:26.560 learn to use it and and keep it in a in a safe place in a in a place where you only you can access it

01:49:32.640 you can access it quickly if you need it but where the neighborhood kid can't break into your house

01:49:36.800 and start fiddling with your gun and shoot themselves you know it's a it's a real big responsibility

01:49:41.760 that responsible adults should be able to take on but yeah do some research go go try shooting some

01:49:47.200 different weapons see which ones you like talk to the the professionals where you shoot your gun

01:49:52.400 and get a good opinion from them because it's very uh it's a matter of opinion in many ways right

01:49:58.000 would be best it depends on what your where do you live what's the house made out of you know if you

01:50:01.360 got concrete walls you got plaster walls what's we got to analyze your situation a little bit yeah

01:50:06.480 no but yeah but definitely learn to use it not be knowledgeable of it if it's it is a responsibility

01:50:11.040 treat it like one absolutely yeah my mom used a wooden spoon i think yeah no and i when you were

01:50:16.400 talking about someone else's mom beating your ass i was laughing because that's i i i've been

01:50:21.360 smacked with a wooden spoon from someone else's mom i had the same reaction as you like wait i don't

01:50:26.640 even know this lady i know cracking me but she's keeping us in line but we were making too much

01:50:30.960 noise it was 11 o'clock at night or whatever and the other kids trying to sleep you know what

01:50:34.880 shut it down it's a crack for sure that's gonna be that's gonna be one of our next books that's gonna

01:50:41.280 be the title of this episode i think jaco needs a crack uh jaco willing man thank you so much for your

01:50:46.000 service and thank you so much for the inspiration i think that you do that you know uh just trying

01:50:50.000 to lead by example um you know being a father being a a businessman um being someone who just

01:50:55.280 continues to attack life on the daily and even if you do every now and then take a little bit of

01:50:59.120 a break a small one a luxury moment luxury moment um occasionally but we're you know there's a lot

01:51:04.880 of guys that are grateful for the inspiration so thank you very much thanks for having me on brother

01:51:08.160 yeah man let's go rush uh shopping them huh you want to now i'm just floating on the breeze and i feel

01:51:14.720 i'm falling like these leaves i must be cornerstone

01:51:22.160 oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found i can feel it in my bones

01:51:30.800 but it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking brake and let myself unwind shine

01:51:44.800 shine that light on me

01:51:47.360 i'll sit and tell you my stories

01:51:53.360 shine on me

01:51:58.080 and i will find a song i will sing it just

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Jocko Willink ｜ This Past Weekend #120

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