This Past Weekend with Theo Von - Last Chance U's Coach Jason Brown

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00:00:11.940 Today's guest is a man that I've wanted to come in for probably about a year, I guess.

00:00:17.500 And he is, you know him from Last Chance U.

00:00:21.380 He's quite a polarizing figure.

00:00:23.020 I mean, if he were in the wilderness, he would be a polarizing bear.

00:00:33.540 He's also the author of Hate Me Now and Love Me Later.

00:00:38.180 It's a new book. You can get it on Amazon.

00:00:40.100 Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Jason Brown.

00:00:53.020 What's up, Slap Dicks, man? That's probably my favorite, man.

00:01:00.440 Is it?

00:01:01.300 Yeah, because I grew up, man, we had a coach, man, and he would always call us numb nuts all the time.

00:01:06.100 Like, you jackasses. He'd be like, get your dick out of each other's butts and get out here.

00:01:09.940 That's what he'd say. He'd come in the locker room and say that.

00:01:12.620 No doubt. Hey, Slap Dicks been around.

00:01:14.660 Yeah, Slap Dicks been around.

00:01:16.080 Been around a long time, man.

00:01:17.860 Coach Jason Brown, nice to see you today, man.

00:01:19.720 Yeah, appreciate you having me.

00:01:20.500 Yeah, it's an honor, man. It's a pleasure, man.

00:01:23.360 I'm hot off the second season of y'all's show, so.

00:01:27.120 Okay, good deal. I haven't watched it yet, man. I haven't watched the first one.

00:01:30.140 Really?

00:01:30.560 Nah. I've seen bits and pieces here and there, but not.

00:01:34.120 Let's get you closer. Sorry, let's get a little closer.

00:01:35.700 Gotcha.

00:01:36.500 Yeah.

00:01:36.960 Yeah, don't be afraid to eat it like this.

00:01:38.740 Okay, gotcha.

00:01:39.480 Right up on it.

00:01:40.280 Okay, cool.

00:01:41.820 How many of the players, like, are, I mean, how much coaching are you able to do at the JUCO level?

00:01:48.300 And how much of it is just, like, sheep herding, just guys who are just real, just fucking.

00:01:56.620 Good question, man. A lot of people don't ask that question. They don't realize what.

00:01:59.580 Just Muppets. I'm sure you get some Muppets at that level.

00:02:01.660 I grew up around Muppets, so I know what it's like to be around them.

00:02:04.340 No doubt.

00:02:04.740 Well, you don't coach a lot, man. People don't realize. I can coach with anybody in the country, and they'll tell you.

00:02:09.540 The D1 guys that know me, you know, I grew up, I got my name as a coach, X's and O's.

00:02:15.820 A lot of people stole things from me offensively. Won't get into that, but became a, once you get the head job, which I've had a few of them,

00:02:25.940 you become a manager now. And in Kansas, Independence, man, I didn't have the opportunity to hire an offensive coordinator

00:02:32.220 because we didn't have the resources. So since that was my baby, I said, you know what, screw it.

00:02:37.600 I'll run the O. Spend more money on defensive side or hire an offensive line coach.

00:02:42.640 So I did those things where you compare that to Buddy Stevens' first year or two years on the show.

00:02:48.420 He didn't do much of any coaching at all. He managed as well, and he had that thing rolling.

00:02:54.100 I was in the process of building like he did, but he's been there 10-plus years.

00:02:58.820 I was there year one starting this program, so I said, let me take the offense.

00:03:02.360 He's got the resources built up to where he could hire some coaches and pay them.

00:03:06.280 And so was there a reason why suddenly like some of that, the finances wasn't there?

00:03:10.440 Just were never there.

00:03:11.940 Right.

00:03:12.080 And what we got going there, shoot, man, the money that we raised, me and my boss, Tammy,

00:03:17.120 we came up with a lot of money to get some decent coaches that we could get, but we still had, shoot.

00:03:22.680 So I'd average about 15 to 17 coaches a year, more than anybody in JUCO, and probably eight of them were unpaid.

00:03:29.640 So they were guys that I gutted and worked hard, but shoot, 17 of them got D1 jobs too in three years.

00:03:37.640 Wow.

00:03:38.140 Yeah.

00:03:38.560 So, you know, hate me now, love me later.

00:03:40.680 Yeah.

00:03:41.300 Look, man, well, that's the book, right?

00:03:43.120 That's the book.

00:03:43.560 That's the book, man, and I appreciate this copy.

00:03:45.240 No doubt.

00:03:45.520 But how much of it, like when you get a lot of these players, because at that level, it's a lot of players that have already had a first and second chance kind of, or is that not the case?

00:03:55.640 Is it a lot of guys who you're able to go and get them right out of high school and bring them in directly?

00:04:01.000 So I get three types of kids.

00:04:02.440 Okay.

00:04:02.800 All right.

00:04:03.120 So one is the high school non-qualifier.

00:04:05.460 He didn't qualify out of high school.

00:04:06.920 He was a Division I prospect.

00:04:08.780 Yeah.

00:04:09.200 Didn't have the grades.

00:04:10.600 I'll go get those kids.

00:04:11.720 Okay.

00:04:12.020 Best of the best of those kids.

00:04:13.160 The second type of kid is a D1 kid that went to the four-year, so went to Alabama, went to Georgia, wherever, and flunked out, smoked weed, got kicked out, had some type of charge.

00:04:26.260 And they're already at these universities.

00:04:27.800 I'm sorry.

00:04:28.160 Go on to the third one.

00:04:28.840 What's the third one?

00:04:29.320 No.

00:04:29.460 And then the third one is the kid that's at the D1 as well, who's a good kid, good grades, does everything right, isn't playing the amount of time he wants to play, and says, you know what?

00:04:40.380 Screw it.

00:04:41.020 I want a shot to go get re-recruited.

00:04:43.780 It comes to me.

00:04:44.620 And that's a Jonathan Banks that played at Tulane, or he was at Kansas State, actually.

00:04:48.560 So it came from Kansas State to me, back to Tulane.

00:04:51.760 Yeah.

00:04:52.120 So those are what we call 4-2-4 kids.

00:04:54.600 They were at a four-year, came to a two-year, and went back to a four-year.

00:04:57.320 Okay.

00:04:57.700 So we get a lot of those.

00:04:58.540 So they're coming down to get the tape, to get the film, to get the stats, and then go back up to another place where they can start work immediately.

00:05:04.340 No doubt.

00:05:04.900 Yeah.

00:05:05.020 And I've had, shoot, you know, last year alone we had 28 D1 transfers, and, you know, nobody in the country has that, but only eight of them played.

00:05:11.860 So usually, you think about it, a lot of those kids are broken.

00:05:15.100 They're far, far, they're probably, we call it damaged goods.

00:05:18.560 So can I, the D1 coach that sends me those kids.

00:05:22.560 Yeah, because you're herding sheep, and some of the sheep have, like, prison time.

00:05:25.840 Oh, yeah, no doubt.

00:05:26.660 You're like, damn, this sheep's tatted up.

00:05:28.080 No doubt, no doubt.

00:05:29.120 And I got to fucking massage them.

00:05:32.100 I know, that's what I'm saying, bro.

00:05:33.420 You're trying to make veal out of lamb.

00:05:35.120 Hell, yeah.

00:05:35.520 You know, that's wild.

00:05:36.780 Chicken, salad, chicken shit.

00:05:38.820 But, you know, we get it going, man.

00:05:40.420 We, you know, the D1 coach sends me the kid over most coaches because of the fact they know my reputation precedes itself as far as when my kid leaves me, he don't fuck up at the next level.

00:05:53.180 Really?

00:05:53.500 He don't get kicked out.

00:05:54.880 So 222 kids, which I'm most proud of, Division I in my coaching career, never had a kid get kicked out of a four-year or go to jail.

00:06:03.620 That left me.

00:06:04.500 That left you and went to a four-year?

00:06:05.960 Nope, never.

00:06:07.380 Is that, you don't see a lot of that on the show.

00:06:10.420 No, I know.

00:06:10.880 They don't show a lot of that stuff.

00:06:13.380 They don't really, we had 101 kids sign scholarships in three years there, which is nothing close to that.

00:06:19.960 And they don't show that really.

00:06:21.020 They don't show all the names.

00:06:22.320 To put it in perspective, the first year show, last year, when we won it, five kids they showcase.

00:06:28.880 Emmett Gooden, Rakeem Boyd, Malik Henry, Bobby Bruce.

00:06:32.400 Yeah.

00:06:33.300 They don't show the other 40 kids that signed Division I.

00:06:36.320 There's 40 kids signed D1 that year.

00:06:37.800 I see.

00:06:38.160 So, yeah, you're only getting a taste.

00:06:40.580 Is that because they only chose those kids?

00:06:43.660 Do the kids kind of do an initial interview and then they're like, okay, these are the ones that we want to focus on?

00:06:49.260 They do.

00:06:49.800 They spend tons of time early on trying to find who their guys are going to be.

00:06:53.600 The storyline.

00:06:54.460 And so, you know, it's unfortunate.

00:06:56.740 Like, Jermaine Johnson this year was at Georgia.

00:06:58.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:59.300 Number one player in the country.

00:07:00.940 Koi Dang, the number two player in the country, who's at Cal.

00:07:04.000 We had both of them.

00:07:05.080 And you never even saw Koi.

00:07:06.300 You didn't see them at all.

00:07:07.540 So, is it because they didn't fucking rob McDonald's or is it they didn't have the broken life that a lot of the other ones did?

00:07:15.540 Who knows?

00:07:16.300 Right.

00:07:16.520 They kind of stayed out the limelight.

00:07:18.360 They just did their business, handled it, and got on.

00:07:20.380 But, you know, we sent a kid to Cal Berkeley, Koi Dang.

00:07:23.800 Wow.

00:07:24.140 And we sent a kid to Vanderbilt in the same season last year, a kid named Dante Carey Williams.

00:07:30.000 That's never happened in junior college ever.

00:07:31.560 Sent a kid to Vanderbilt in Cal.

00:07:33.200 The reason I say that is, I don't know if you know, Cal Berkeley and Vanderbilt are probably the two highest prestigious academic schools in the country.

00:07:39.560 Juco kids don't go to those two schools.

00:07:41.040 Right.

00:07:41.240 So, you're saying that, yeah, a lot of the work that you do, the show obviously doesn't reflect that.

00:07:48.380 No, not at all.

00:07:49.160 It's just not part of their story.

00:07:50.480 Yeah, not part of their story.

00:07:51.420 You know, it's Hollywood.

00:07:52.100 They got to make great ratings.

00:07:53.620 And, you know, if I would have known going in and did some more research.

00:07:56.300 Because, you know, Greg Whiteley, the producer, does a great job.

00:07:59.420 I think he depicts it the way that I don't think he's out to screw me or anybody.

00:08:03.900 I just think that you could be the best filmmaker in America.

00:08:07.340 And he's a great one.

00:08:08.180 And he filmed Mick Romney for all those years, and that documentary he did, and Netflix, he had a lot of shows.

00:08:13.920 Oh, Mick Romney with the, who did the climate change?

00:08:18.000 Was that Mick Romney?

00:08:19.320 No, that was...

00:08:20.280 Is Mitten, is his first name Mitten?

00:08:22.160 I don't even know who the fuck it is.

00:08:25.140 But, no, that was the other dude, Gore, wasn't it?

00:08:27.640 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:08:28.680 I think that was Gore, but...

00:08:29.740 One of those fucking guys, bro.

00:08:30.860 Slapdick, global warming deal.

00:08:33.480 But, Mitt Romney, I guess, was running for president or whatever.

00:08:36.520 I don't know.

00:08:36.960 I don't know shit about him.

00:08:37.700 But he followed, he did his documentary, The Same Deal.

00:08:40.040 You know, it looks like they've done a great job.

00:08:42.040 Yeah, he did a great job filming it.

00:08:43.420 I just don't know if he knows the complete inside, the intricacies that go into junior

00:08:47.260 college kids, the broken home background, the coaches' backgrounds, and they're broken, too.

00:08:51.840 Oh, you got a bunch of fucking Muppets, yeah.

00:08:53.160 Coaches, too.

00:08:53.700 We're broken.

00:08:54.420 And I think you'd have to be to spend time around it, you know, to be in that environment

00:08:57.640 and not get so affected by it.

00:08:59.140 And a lot of people don't know your...

00:09:00.420 So, your story, you're from California, right?

00:09:03.240 Yep.

00:09:03.560 You grew up in Compton, right?

00:09:04.600 Yep, yep.

00:09:05.140 And you played quarterback.

00:09:07.540 Yep, quarterback, whole life.

00:09:08.980 Yeah.

00:09:09.460 Yep, yep.

00:09:09.700 And so, what was some of that, like, growing up?

00:09:11.460 Like, what was some of...

00:09:12.980 Like, did you have, like, a role model kind of, and were your folks around?

00:09:15.540 What was your vibe?

00:09:16.260 Nah, you know, I had my pops and mom around.

00:09:18.020 They divorced when I was young.

00:09:19.580 And they're both white?

00:09:20.600 Yep, both white.

00:09:21.400 Both white.

00:09:22.700 Living with...

00:09:23.240 Ended up choosing to leave with my dad.

00:09:25.540 So, we went on and all over the place in California, though.

00:09:29.000 And then, he was a truck mechanic, diesel mechanic, and, you know, liked to drink and

00:09:33.720 come home, fall asleep.

00:09:34.920 I mean, you know, probably why they divorced, to be honest.

00:09:37.260 But...

00:09:37.540 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:09:38.260 You know how that goes.

00:09:39.040 He was a roughneck, and so...

00:09:40.940 I love diesel, bro.

00:09:42.020 Yeah, that's what he did, man.

00:09:43.880 But, and then...

00:09:44.660 So, I had those guys.

00:09:46.300 It wasn't like I didn't have the support.

00:09:48.380 They were there for me.

00:09:49.520 It was just one of those deals where I was kind of on my own the whole time, doing my

00:09:53.800 own thing, man.

00:09:54.800 Yeah, you seem like a guy that likes to do your own thing.

00:09:56.420 Yeah, so...

00:09:56.960 Yeah, some of it is you just making your own choices.

00:09:58.740 Some of those environments make you become that person.

00:10:01.740 Product of your environment.

00:10:02.720 Yeah.

00:10:03.040 You know, I'm a chameleon, they call me, man.

00:10:04.560 I can go in and walk into any type of...

00:10:07.700 Any home, any background, walk down any street in the country, in my opinion.

00:10:10.920 And I think that real recognizes real.

00:10:12.880 Yeah.

00:10:13.460 And they know I'm not fucking with that guy.

00:10:15.540 Yeah, I like that shit, man.

00:10:18.740 Yeah, you seem like you gotta fucking hit somebody with a sword, bro.

00:10:21.700 Yeah, I mean, you know, see, years ago, I used to look that shit up.

00:10:25.160 Did you?

00:10:25.780 Oh, look for trouble?

00:10:26.700 I would hope somebody looked at me.

00:10:28.480 I just think that they knew.

00:10:31.300 Yeah.

00:10:31.840 Nowadays, you know, they still know, but I'm not looking it up.

00:10:34.940 Back in the day, I would look at you a little longer, you know, but, you know, you gotta

00:10:39.120 grow up.

00:10:39.540 That's brave, man.

00:10:39.620 You gotta mature, man, you know.

00:10:41.020 Yeah.

00:10:41.800 Yeah, you gotta be brave, I think.

00:10:44.880 You know, I think you gotta be brave in certain type of environments, you know?

00:10:48.260 No doubt, no doubt.

00:10:49.160 And I think me, you know, I lived in a car, man, for 18 months growing up.

00:10:54.120 What kind of car was it?

00:10:55.060 Shit, I don't know.

00:10:55.620 I don't even know whose car it was.

00:10:56.640 Oh, yeah?

00:10:56.980 Like an old Camaro or something.

00:10:58.340 Dude, I got hit by...

00:10:58.860 Paid up by ants and shit.

00:11:00.700 Fuck.

00:11:01.260 Fuck it.

00:11:01.720 Too bad.

00:11:02.200 Luckily, it wasn't back east where it got cold.

00:11:04.600 Yeah.

00:11:04.840 I don't think the car had windows, but...

00:11:06.040 You might have froze out, dude.

00:11:06.960 I got hit by a Trans Am when I was three, dude.

00:11:09.580 Ooh, a Trans Am.

00:11:09.780 Beautiful, too.

00:11:10.440 My mom had a Trans Am.

00:11:11.460 Did she?

00:11:11.920 Yeah, this one was silver.

00:11:13.780 Dude, my dad was more excited about the car, bro.

00:11:16.100 You know what I'm saying?

00:11:16.560 My mom's over there making sure I'm all right.

00:11:18.560 My dad's not worried about the car.

00:11:20.540 Yeah, my dad's asking me where he got it.

00:11:22.960 Oh, really?

00:11:24.280 Shit, I had a Buick Riviera, a 63 Riviera, man.

00:11:27.280 Got ran off the road by some...

00:11:28.980 Got chased, man.

00:11:30.020 And being a knucklehead, man, some gangsters were chasing us, and we had to get out of there

00:11:35.720 and got hit by a car and ruined it.

00:11:37.780 My pops were pissed, man.

00:11:39.120 It was his baby.

00:11:40.640 Damn.

00:11:41.140 Shit happened.

00:11:43.840 The show, do you...

00:11:45.380 Like, after your second season with the show, did you have a different view of Hollywood

00:11:49.700 coming out of it, kind of?

00:11:50.880 Did you have a different...

00:11:52.720 Yeah.

00:11:54.840 You know, I didn't know...

00:11:56.600 See, I didn't watch it.

00:11:57.380 I was like, fuck, I'm not going to watch myself.

00:11:59.600 Really?

00:12:00.280 Nah, yeah, exactly.

00:12:01.600 I still haven't watched the first year.

00:12:03.040 Dude, because you seem like the guy that will watch you.

00:12:05.280 Nah, nah.

00:12:06.480 What happened was, they sent us the show early, before anybody.

00:12:09.920 And they were like...

00:12:10.420 So me and my boss watched the first three episodes, I think, to get ahead of it PR-wise.

00:12:15.440 Oh, that makes sense, yeah.

00:12:16.000 So the town folks and everybody, the haters, we knew how to combat whatever was going to be

00:12:20.500 brought our way.

00:12:21.220 Right.

00:12:21.420 And that's why we watched it a bit.

00:12:23.440 But I was even, like, cringing in my own skin, like, I don't want to watch myself.

00:12:27.920 Like, it's crazy.

00:12:28.840 Well, what didn't you...

00:12:29.480 Was there anything specific you didn't like about yourself?

00:12:31.840 I mean, I know what some of that is like, you know, but is there anything specific for

00:12:35.080 you that you kind of...

00:12:36.660 I thought there was so much shit left out that it was just...

00:12:41.120 They were kind of pegging me out to be this guy that was result-oriented, so I was just

00:12:47.840 doing everything that whatever...

00:12:49.860 Whatever to win at all costs.

00:12:52.100 Right.

00:12:52.260 And so they...

00:12:52.840 I think they put that out there.

00:12:54.520 And then...

00:12:55.500 Can you do anything else at that level, though?

00:12:57.800 No.

00:12:58.300 You can't.

00:12:58.920 And that's why...

00:12:59.660 Like, these guys aren't staying...

00:13:00.660 Like, they're not staying there for four years.

00:13:02.500 I don't have them five years.

00:13:03.280 Nobody's going to stay for...

00:13:04.060 Yeah.

00:13:04.740 Nobody's looking to stay in the community unless they get arrested, it looks like.

00:13:07.620 I get them six months to 18 months.

00:13:09.880 Max 18.

00:13:10.900 Mostly six, though, because I got mostly D1 transfers.

00:13:14.000 And all I'm doing, I'm having them six months and sending them right back.

00:13:17.000 The 18-month kids are the good high school kids that didn't qualify that I get.

00:13:20.660 Ah, so that's a little bit different.

00:13:22.060 A little different.

00:13:23.060 Those are a lot of those kids went D1.

00:13:25.280 A lot of those kids, majority of those kids are the ones who made it.

00:13:28.120 See, the show, the first show, I don't show the 35 other guys that signed D1.

00:13:31.160 And Delrick Abrams at Colorado, who will be a draft pick.

00:13:33.500 Wow.

00:13:34.100 DJ Williams, who's a Jim Thorpe Award nominee this year.

00:13:39.500 Wow, really?

00:13:40.180 They don't show him at Utah State.

00:13:41.180 They don't see it.

00:13:42.000 You don't see all those guys, man.

00:13:43.460 Because if you see that full picture, it definitely gives a little...

00:13:47.180 It changes, really, the scope of, I think, how people...

00:13:50.400 So many guys.

00:13:51.440 I mean, you know, Ray Buford's at New Mexico State, who was a transfer.

00:13:56.480 He was at Minnesota.

00:13:58.960 We brought him in.

00:13:59.620 And he had some background issues.

00:14:01.480 That was a BS deal.

00:14:02.640 I had three kids that left Minnesota over a big-time rape scandal.

00:14:06.380 They didn't do it.

00:14:07.100 It was cold up there, you know what I'm saying?

00:14:08.460 And that's a joke.

00:14:09.440 Yeah.

00:14:10.320 That's a joke.

00:14:10.880 So I got him.

00:14:12.140 You've got to get a little bit closer, Justin.

00:14:13.100 Okay, and I got him there and fixed him and got him re-recruited.

00:14:16.680 And a lot of D1s wouldn't have touched that situation.

00:14:18.660 And the Title IX deal now, they don't want to touch it.

00:14:21.320 And my reputation, though, of when I put my name on a kid, those D1 coaches know,

00:14:27.220 this guy, he ain't fucking around.

00:14:28.560 You're almost like you're running a used car lot.

00:14:30.820 No, it is.

00:14:31.480 And they know if my word is on it that it's reputable and my kid's going to do right.

00:14:36.380 And they're all thriving.

00:14:37.620 All 35 of those other kids, other than the five they showcase, all started at the D1.

00:14:41.920 So why don't they want to tell me?

00:14:43.940 Why isn't there?

00:14:45.340 Because I feel like that story is also very attractive.

00:14:47.460 To me, it gives me more of a full picture of what a coach is dealing with at that level.

00:14:53.040 No doubt.

00:14:54.220 They don't show the things I wish they showed.

00:14:57.700 The four-year school comes in there, the Division I coach.

00:15:00.120 Tons of them were the most recruited junior college in the country.

00:15:02.260 They'd come in there and talk to my boss and say, the players have their pants pulled up.

00:15:08.980 I don't hear them saying the word bitch.

00:15:11.320 I don't see them doing these things.

00:15:12.840 They look us in the eye.

00:15:13.600 They shake our hand.

00:15:14.900 That isn't about being taught at any other JUCO.

00:15:16.980 And he goes, those guys line up at practice to shake our hands.

00:15:19.660 And he goes, it's taught.

00:15:20.580 It's clearly taught.

00:15:22.300 And I wish they would show at least coaches talking to my boss about it and showing people that we were different.

00:15:29.040 And that's the reason so many guys went on.

00:15:30.960 And those guys are thriving now at the four-year.

00:15:32.860 Rakeem Boyd's at Arkansas.

00:15:34.380 He'll be probably top two or three running backs picked in the draft.

00:15:39.080 He's a Doak Walker nominee.

00:15:41.460 So we got kids that are being Division I nominees for big awards.

00:15:44.620 You know what I mean?

00:15:44.980 Yes.

00:15:45.420 And who knows?

00:15:46.460 He could be a Heisman candidate.

00:15:47.400 So we got kids all over.

00:15:50.020 Now, what type of pride?

00:15:51.820 Can you grab me a water, too?

00:15:53.640 And Jason won as well?

00:15:54.840 Thanks.

00:15:55.680 What type of – I mean, that must be a really amazing feeling when you see that kind of go on.

00:15:59.640 Like, what's that like for you as somebody that's been a part of their journey?

00:16:03.080 Man, that's what gets me off.

00:16:05.360 You know what I mean?

00:16:06.380 Wins and losses don't mean deadly shit to me in junior college.

00:16:08.800 Do you know who played for the national championship in junior college last year?

00:16:11.900 I would say McNeese Stata, and that would be a guess.

00:16:13.860 No, JUCO.

00:16:14.720 Oh, I have no idea.

00:16:16.400 Exactly.

00:16:16.980 So that's my point.

00:16:17.800 Nobody knows and cares about junior college and what they did.

00:16:21.400 And, you know, the bottom line is it's about can I mold this young boy and turn him into a man so he don't fuck up at the four-year?

00:16:29.520 And those coaches get a quality kid and product.

00:16:32.820 And they're good community members and all those type of things.

00:16:35.380 That's what makes me – allows me to sleep at night.

00:16:37.420 And I've done that better than anybody in the country.

00:16:38.840 And those D1 coaches know that's what I'm about.

00:16:42.940 And that's why they'll take the risk kid that a lot of people wouldn't take.

00:16:45.720 They'll call me and say, Coach, how has he been since he's been with you?

00:16:48.320 I know he got kicked out at Minnesota.

00:16:50.580 Coach, he's been a stand-up straight shooter.

00:16:52.560 You know what I mean?

00:16:52.620 And do you shoot those guys straight all the time?

00:16:54.240 All the time.

00:16:54.440 Would you bend the truth a little bit?

00:16:57.520 No, never.

00:16:58.360 Never.

00:16:59.560 Because, you know, I've sent so many guys on.

00:17:01.360 They come to me and they know.

00:17:02.940 And then, you know, ultimately that's how guys get jobs.

00:17:05.020 But at the end of the day, I didn't need the D1 coach.

00:17:07.620 They needed me.

00:17:08.720 The kids – I don't need the kids.

00:17:09.920 They needed me.

00:17:11.100 And at the end of the day, I held all the cards because I had the best player in the country

00:17:14.380 and I'm getting them graduated faster than anybody in America.

00:17:17.240 And, you know, we got guys everywhere.

00:17:19.720 We'll probably have 10 to 12 guys get drafted next year after two shows.

00:17:23.300 And nobody can say that.

00:17:24.440 And do you get, like, any type of, like, any type of kickback?

00:17:28.680 Is there anything where coaches are trying to give you, like, look, can you steer this guy more my way?

00:17:33.060 Do you ever –

00:17:33.700 It don't happen, man.

00:17:35.020 That's a – you know, it never really happened with me.

00:17:38.520 You hear those stories in the blue-chip movies of the world and the program and all those movies.

00:17:42.860 Oh, yeah.

00:17:43.340 They show that shit.

00:17:44.080 But, you know, it's not happening that I see a lot of.

00:17:48.080 You know, coaches that you have relationships with, you know, I try to tell the kid, okay, listen,

00:17:54.420 don't go be the other guy.

00:17:56.000 Be the guy.

00:17:56.960 So don't go to Alabama if you're going to be fourth string.

00:17:59.780 Right.

00:18:00.120 Go to fucking McNeese State and start and get filmed and you still get drafted.

00:18:04.160 Football players –

00:18:04.580 Like B.J. Sam's, man.

00:18:05.280 B.J. Sam's is a great player.

00:18:06.460 I think he went to McNeese State.

00:18:07.880 And look at all those guys that went to Troy and all those guys that are in the NFL.

00:18:10.600 So it's not – you don't have to go to those places.

00:18:14.020 Every place has – every kid has a place, I think.

00:18:17.800 There's a place for everyone.

00:18:19.560 And I don't know if – but our kids, they did go to those places because we had the best players in the country.

00:18:24.620 So it wasn't easy to play for our guys.

00:18:27.160 We had transfer from San Diego State, San Jose State, a couple running backs.

00:18:31.500 Mm-hmm.

00:18:32.460 They didn't even make our redshirt team.

00:18:34.900 Wow.

00:18:35.100 And they started at those four – those are D1s they started at.

00:18:37.720 Damn.

00:18:38.060 So that's the difference in talent.

00:18:39.480 Yeah.

00:18:39.780 Yeah.

00:18:40.080 So a lot – I imagine then that it gets – the players that come in that aren't that great or – I mean, the level of competition must be pretty severe then a lot of times at practice and stuff or the beginning of season.

00:18:51.000 I'll break it down like this.

00:18:52.060 I'll tell you like this.

00:18:53.660 We had 101 kids go D1.

00:18:57.620 28 of them never played it down for me.

00:19:01.060 Damn.

00:19:01.300 And we had a D-tackle redshirt that signed with South Carolina.

00:19:06.500 So that tells you the talent.

00:19:07.820 So they're going against the best O-line in the country every game as our scouts.

00:19:11.880 Our O-line guys that signed Division I that didn't ever play for us are going against Emmitt Gooden that's starting at Tennessee.

00:19:17.700 Yeah.

00:19:18.080 Jermaine Johnson.

00:19:19.020 So those guys are good, but they just weren't quite good enough to play for us.

00:19:22.980 And those guys got scholarships because I'm pushing them out because I'm graduating them so fast, I'm getting them out.

00:19:28.460 So they can now go to the four-year and have four years to play three.

00:19:31.700 Instead of having the redshirt stick around, waste two years, I'm getting them out if I can get them graduated and they have enough film on practice because we film everything.

00:19:39.580 Right.

00:19:39.760 They got practice film going against our guys that they're signing D1.

00:19:43.700 Yeah, we don't even see that.

00:19:45.440 No.

00:19:45.640 Is there – how many of the players do you keep tabs on after?

00:19:50.340 Or is it such like a – is it such a river of players going by that you're able to really follow up with many or –

00:19:56.680 No, I stay in touch with them, man.

00:19:58.120 You know, I know statistically speaking I keep track of all those accolades kind of.

00:20:04.620 I know how many kids I've sent on.

00:20:06.200 I know how many kids – out of those 222 kids, man, 126 of them have earned their bachelors.

00:20:11.560 26 of them have earned their masters.

00:20:14.040 Those are things I care about.

00:20:15.200 The show makes it look like half of them can't even fucking read.

00:20:17.300 No, they can't.

00:20:18.380 So the truth of the matter is those guys can't read.

00:20:21.240 And I try to tell these people, these academic so-called professors, you know, I was told that a kid told – a guy told me, a professor at Independence when I took a job, I met with the teachers and I told them, these are my expectations.

00:20:34.740 My kids are going to sit in the fucking front row.

00:20:36.400 They're not going to have hats and headgear on.

00:20:37.880 They're not going to play on their cell phone.

00:20:39.420 Coaches are going to be walking to class because they're going to check every single kid.

00:20:42.340 Wow.

00:20:42.580 And so it's an investment.

00:20:45.600 So I'm letting you guys know.

00:20:47.320 If anything's different, let me know.

00:20:49.280 So I try to build a relationship that way.

00:20:51.240 So it's a couple weeks into school and the teachers are like, man, it's the most engaged ever.

00:20:55.060 We've ever had a football program.

00:20:56.240 It's unbelievable.

00:20:56.940 And then there's this guy in the back on his phone.

00:20:59.780 He's a professor.

00:21:01.180 And I go – and he tries to raise his hand.

00:21:02.900 I go, well, first of all, I wouldn't take your hand in my class because you're on your phone.

00:21:06.440 So I'm just – you know, they didn't like me.

00:21:08.220 But he goes, well, Coach, Emmett Gooden can't take notes.

00:21:11.060 He don't know how to take notes.

00:21:11.760 He won't pass my class.

00:21:13.280 I said, well, fuck.

00:21:14.380 Do you think Richard Sherman knew how to catch a football until I taught him?

00:21:18.040 So, like, people don't realize, like, you got to teach these dudes.

00:21:21.620 So I told him – this is what I told him.

00:21:24.060 I said, Emmett Gooden did not turn down Notre Dame to come to Independence.

00:21:27.880 I said, I don't think you fucking turned down Notre Dame either to come to Independence to teach.

00:21:32.160 How about we teach these cats?

00:21:34.280 And that's where there's a chapter in my book called Playing the Game.

00:21:37.900 So I teach these kids how to play the game because academic – the academic side of this thing is a game.

00:21:43.720 Is it?

00:21:44.120 And I don't believe – this thing isn't built on intellect, man.

00:21:47.840 It's built on – and I mean life.

00:21:49.960 Right.

00:21:50.140 I don't think – I think the kids – if you're good community kids, good-hearted kids, you're mean right, you do well, I think it's built on that and how you treat folks.

00:21:59.300 The teachers are going to work with you, then you're going to figure it out.

00:22:01.180 Yeah, you sit in the front.

00:22:01.840 You go see the teachers in their office hours, after hours.

00:22:04.200 You sit in the front.

00:22:05.320 And this is what I tell kids all the time.

00:22:06.420 I said, you know, you're going to sit in the front row and have a relationship with these teachers, dress appropriate, sit in the front, be engaged, ask a question.

00:22:14.860 Everything I've been teaching these guys since I was been in coach.

00:22:17.760 And the guy in the back on the cell phone and compared to the guy in the front, when they go talk to the teacher at the end and the teacher sees you, what's one do you – the difference between a B and a C is a bubble on the teacher.

00:22:31.200 The man with the pen at the end wins.

00:22:33.260 And so he's going to favor that B over that C.

00:22:38.280 And then if you're in the back, a D or an F, you're going to get the F.

00:22:41.460 So I try to tell him it's a game.

00:22:42.560 You've got to play the game.

00:22:42.980 Play the game.

00:22:43.800 It's a little bit of that with everything.

00:22:45.640 Everything.

00:22:45.980 You've got to play a little bit of the game.

00:22:47.120 It's not who you know.

00:22:47.760 It's what you know in life, man.

00:22:48.860 Yeah.

00:22:49.720 Yeah, or it's at least a good mix.

00:22:51.820 I screwed that up.

00:22:52.460 It's not what you know.

00:22:53.240 It's who you know.

00:22:53.840 Yeah.

00:22:54.260 So that's just how it goes.

00:22:55.760 Well, look, man, I fucking love when you screw shit up, man.

00:22:58.760 Dude, so many people love your personality, man.

00:23:01.100 It's almost like it reminds me of, it's like Barnum and Bailey kind of like a little bit

00:23:06.940 of like the guy that runs the circus, you know?

00:23:08.860 Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

00:23:10.420 But kind of like a, I don't want to say like a wig of Barnum and Bailey.

00:23:14.760 And I, sometimes we use the term wig in here, but yeah, like a, I'm trying to think about

00:23:20.400 what it is.

00:23:20.940 It's almost like.

00:23:22.060 So Michael Rappaport, good friend of mine.

00:23:23.740 Of course.

00:23:24.400 I saw that before I even knew you.

00:23:26.080 He, he said, I'm the most entertaining guy since Sopranos.

00:23:31.360 And so he was like, and that's a made up guy because you're a real guy.

00:23:33.880 And so, you know, you know, Greg Wiley, man, he's a producer.

00:23:36.260 He chose to pick us, you know, for whatever reason.

00:23:38.320 I didn't know why.

00:23:39.100 And I said, you know, I asked him one day, I said, why did you pick me?

00:23:42.180 For your personality, right?

00:23:43.160 And he goes, you know, you're the most unfiltered guy filmed in 20 years.

00:23:46.000 And I said, well, all right.

00:23:47.640 Then why then towards the, at the, towards the end of the second season, they make it

00:23:51.260 look like that's the reason why they don't want, or why, is it just, they had to make

00:23:56.180 a show or do you think they had something against you?

00:23:58.920 Nah, they didn't have nothing against me.

00:24:00.360 Yeah.

00:24:00.400 So nothing like that.

00:24:01.160 Yeah.

00:24:01.320 Me and Greg have a lot of respect for each other.

00:24:03.380 You know, the thing is I asked him, I said, you know, at the end of the day, why did you

00:24:06.240 want to come here?

00:24:07.160 And he goes, well, this is a specific story.

00:24:10.980 And Bobby, it involved Bobby Bruce, the kid on the show.

00:24:13.980 Yeah.

00:24:14.200 And Bobby's very, you really get engaged with him.

00:24:16.520 Yeah.

00:24:17.020 And I, you know, it was like a son to me.

00:24:18.880 And I said, listen, so I bring him in and I'm ripping his ass and I, and, and Greg and

00:24:23.880 they go film him.

00:24:24.700 And right afterwards, he walks down, you know, moping and they're like, how do you handle

00:24:29.600 Coach Brown?

00:24:30.220 How do you stand for this?

00:24:31.040 Why are you going to show up to practice tomorrow on time?

00:24:33.320 Why do you continue to show up to everything on time?

00:24:36.380 He goes, cause coach will gut us if we're not there.

00:24:38.500 He goes, yeah, but he just called you a motherfucking whatever.

00:24:41.920 He goes, oh, he really?

00:24:43.660 He goes, my mom calls me worse than that.

00:24:46.100 And then, and then he goes, well, coach Brown called you this, this, and this.

00:24:49.420 He goes, yeah, but he loves me.

00:24:51.640 So that kind of, I think teary eyed Greg and I think chose him to stay, stick with me because,

00:24:57.260 but I wish that would have been shown more.

00:24:59.160 Right.

00:24:59.580 Now that you look at it.

00:25:00.560 They don't show that as much.

00:25:01.960 Yeah.

00:25:02.120 They don't show that as like, um, and that's kind of like what podcasting is.

00:25:06.000 It's like, we, you know who people are and then it's not about everything that they say.

00:25:10.300 What's the most watched thing on social media?

00:25:12.820 Fights.

00:25:13.580 Oh yeah.

00:25:13.940 Fights.

00:25:14.880 They don't show that the doggy being walked, you know what I mean?

00:25:17.760 So everybody wants to, uh, I don't know.

00:25:20.480 Sometimes them cats, bro.

00:25:21.600 They got a one cat pushing a muffin across the gymnasium.

00:25:24.520 I saw the other day.

00:25:25.620 You talk about cats fighting though.

00:25:27.380 That's when it really rubberines the road.

00:25:29.480 Oh yeah.

00:25:30.060 Two cats fighting over a scone.

00:25:31.560 It's a rat.

00:25:32.100 Yeah.

00:25:32.420 Yeah.

00:25:32.780 Um, you know, they want that justification.

00:25:35.060 Sorry to interrupt the episode.

00:25:36.900 Look, I've been accused of a lot of things, but I've never been accused of sexual harassment

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00:27:41.920 Did you start to become more a character of yourself in the second season?

00:27:45.820 And I don't know if you cannot become more of a character of yourself.

00:27:49.180 I mean, I noticed it even on stage in performance.

00:27:51.100 Like, you do a show and then you start to watch yourself.

00:27:53.960 And then it's like, oh, well, is this what I, you know, kind of what I am?

00:27:58.220 Nah, like, you mean like if I was trying to act a little different?

00:28:02.700 Well, just if you notice at certain times, like, okay, right now, like, um.

00:28:05.920 And they're filming me.

00:28:06.780 Yeah, I know they're filming me.

00:28:08.120 Nah, you see on the show, I don't know if they put it in.

00:28:10.140 But one of the episodes, or I think they talked about.

00:28:13.860 But I ripped the staff, or the coach, or the kids.

00:28:16.300 I bring them in, rip the coaches and the kids.

00:28:18.100 And I basically was like, I don't give a fuck about these damn cameras.

00:28:20.660 And they even get the fuck out.

00:28:22.040 But is that how you really felt, though?

00:28:25.420 Yeah, we were losing.

00:28:26.600 And, you know, I think the kids, I knew that our team had gone Hollywood.

00:28:32.100 We played 10 games last year.

00:28:34.100 We were better than all 10 teams by far, athletically.

00:28:36.960 Yeah.

00:28:37.480 It wasn't even close.

00:28:39.000 Garden City played for the national championship last year.

00:28:40.860 That's the team I was formerly at.

00:28:44.540 We were beating them 21-0 within four minutes.

00:28:46.940 Like, that's the team we had, and it wasn't even close.

00:28:49.660 They played East Mississippi for the national championship last year.

00:28:52.980 And that just showed you, we lost six days out the week.

00:28:58.060 Where every other year I've coached, we've won six days out the week.

00:29:01.220 And if you ask what that means is, my teams usually win six days, meaning we don't steal at Walmart.

00:29:06.960 We handle study hall.

00:29:08.500 We kill the weight room.

00:29:09.780 We kill practice.

00:29:11.180 We're good in the community.

00:29:12.600 We treat women right.

00:29:14.020 We didn't have that last year.

00:29:14.960 I cut 36 kids, fired seven coaches.

00:29:17.720 We had such a bad nucleus of kids and coaches that wanted to be on camera.

00:29:22.620 Right.

00:29:22.840 So you get a lot of people that want to be Hollywood.

00:29:24.380 We had 200 kids show up that we didn't know who the hell they were, no one prior engagement.

00:29:29.760 And they get there, and we find out, oh, it's because of cameras.

00:29:32.580 Yeah.

00:29:32.920 And we just drove from New York.

00:29:34.580 You better fucking drive your ass back.

00:29:36.060 You're not coming here.

00:29:36.960 Well, they enrolled in classes, unbeknownst to us, prior to them arriving.

00:29:41.940 So the schools there thrive on, they need FTE, which is full-time enrollment.

00:29:46.860 Right.

00:29:47.200 They need that to survive.

00:29:48.660 So they're loving it.

00:29:49.580 They're loving the enrollment, and they think, oh, the show's going to bring these kids.

00:29:52.560 Well, guess what?

00:29:53.620 Those kids were fucking cancerous as shit because they were horrible.

00:29:56.440 They didn't belong there, player or person.

00:29:59.500 They didn't care.

00:30:00.000 They just wanted to be on camera.

00:30:00.860 And so they're in the dorm with our kids because we all live on campus, those kids.

00:30:04.620 So they're in there just cancering them up.

00:30:06.200 And, you know, it takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch.

00:30:08.300 Oh, yeah.

00:30:08.660 So that's what happened this year.

00:30:10.100 So you're telling me that's what people, these naysayers, that's cut you off?

00:30:15.100 Oh, coach can't coach this year.

00:30:16.600 So I just fucking forgot all of a sudden how to coach?

00:30:19.180 Nine and two to two and eight.

00:30:20.520 I mean, okay, I forgot to coach.

00:30:22.540 Talent wasn't much different.

00:30:24.360 Well, why weren't you getting help?

00:30:25.420 Like, if there's stuff like that going on, like, that there's such a larger element that that's, I mean,

00:30:31.140 it's something no other coaches are going to have to deal with because you have the cameras there

00:30:34.360 and because you have this attention, the spotlight.

00:30:36.540 And then the first year, though, we had coaches that were a couple more guys that were at Division I programs

00:30:41.000 that were coaching with us for a year.

00:30:42.840 Now they're back at D1s.

00:30:44.180 Those guys were holding them to the fire a little more.

00:30:46.480 And they did what we, the one-tongue language that I call it, we all had this one-tongue language in the program.

00:30:53.420 It's our way.

00:30:54.200 You're going to do it or not.

00:30:55.580 This past year, though, we had coaches that wanted to be the kids' friends and that type of shit.

00:31:00.560 And that don't work.

00:31:01.560 We're not their boys.

00:31:02.140 We don't go to the club with these kids.

00:31:03.500 It's not our buddies.

00:31:04.540 We're trying to mentor you and mold you into something bigger.

00:31:08.820 Yeah.

00:31:09.180 And these coaches we had weren't ready for that.

00:31:12.460 Yeah, it seems so remedial there.

00:31:14.640 I mean, it's like, it shows that there's not much for the kids to do.

00:31:18.160 Is there really not much to be done in that area?

00:31:20.680 I mean, it's very…

00:31:21.660 Nothing.

00:31:21.880 There's not a…

00:31:22.880 Coach at Starbucks is about an hour.

00:31:24.380 Wow.

00:31:25.880 You got Tulsa, Oklahoma, which is about an hour, 10 minutes north.

00:31:29.120 Yeah, I was just there a couple weeks ago.

00:31:30.260 We were doing some shows.

00:31:31.000 Yeah.

00:31:31.420 And Looney Bin?

00:31:33.520 No, Kane's Ballroom.

00:31:34.880 Oh, okay.

00:31:35.460 I like Tulsa, man.

00:31:36.360 I hung out there a lot.

00:31:36.880 Yeah, Tulsa's nice, huh?

00:31:37.660 Yeah, I like Tulsa.

00:31:38.400 Beautiful place.

00:31:39.200 Can't drive around.

00:31:40.180 Everything's fucking under construction, but it's crazy.

00:31:42.460 Yeah, what are they doing?

00:31:43.220 I don't know, man.

00:31:43.740 It's been that way since I've been there.

00:31:44.780 But I like Tulsa, man.

00:31:45.740 Tulsa love me, man.

00:31:46.720 The people there, everywhere I go in Tulsa, man, they love me.

00:31:50.100 And it was a good deal.

00:31:50.720 It was a good deal.

00:31:51.400 Would you go up there to meet ladies sometimes?

00:31:52.820 Because they don't show you with the ladies.

00:31:53.660 I mean, they got that lady Tammy, I think is her name.

00:31:55.500 My boss.

00:31:56.220 Yeah.

00:31:56.660 Did you guys ever have any?

00:31:58.000 No, hell no.

00:31:59.080 No, hell no.

00:31:59.860 Come on, man.

00:32:00.380 Come on, man.

00:32:01.140 Come on, man.

00:32:01.920 She was like a father figure and a mother figure all in one, man.

00:32:05.720 But look, man.

00:32:06.540 She was a K-State Hall of Fame basketball player.

00:32:08.480 Was she really?

00:32:09.140 And she's Olympian, so she's big deal, man.

00:32:11.840 She's in the rafters at K-State.

00:32:13.340 Look, that's what I'm saying.

00:32:14.160 Everybody thought that, though.

00:32:16.440 Everybody would walk around that town.

00:32:17.920 That town's 9,000 people.

00:32:19.460 Damn.

00:32:19.860 And there's not a, nothing's open past 8 o'clock at night.

00:32:23.960 Yeah.

00:32:24.060 It's fucking, it's unbelievable.

00:32:25.560 There's nothing there to eat.

00:32:26.560 You know what I mean?

00:32:27.020 It's just, it's one of those places.

00:32:28.500 And she, me and her, we're always seen because we got to fuck off campus to deal with other shit.

00:32:35.200 Yeah.

00:32:35.540 And everybody, oh, they're fucking around.

00:32:38.180 And no, motherfucker, you guys don't get it.

00:32:39.900 I'll never mix business with pleasure, first of all.

00:32:41.600 But, dude, what I'm saying is you hang out at the salon, you're going to get a haircut.

00:32:46.060 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:48.060 I hear you.

00:32:48.580 I see you got the Joe Dirt thing going.

00:32:50.720 I hear you.

00:32:51.700 Bro, I had, I haven't.

00:32:52.360 I can cut you up, man.

00:32:53.220 You got to get one of my shit.

00:32:54.480 I got a barber, man.

00:32:55.760 Bro, you ain't cutting shit, bro.

00:32:57.560 Hey, I got a barber, man.

00:32:59.580 You got to go low, brother.

00:33:01.200 What?

00:33:01.740 Talk, how low is that, bro?

00:33:04.080 I can see your ideas, dog.

00:33:05.860 That shit is fucking low.

00:33:09.340 Hey, it's what it is.

00:33:10.920 That's what it is, man.

00:33:12.820 In the second season, did you start to, I know, because you started to get a lot of

00:33:17.280 fanfare.

00:33:17.960 Are you coaching right now?

00:33:19.080 No, no, no, no.

00:33:19.860 I'm just chilling.

00:33:20.340 I bought a house out in the Inland Empire and a brand new home from scratch.

00:33:25.080 Got to pick the flooring that did whole deal.

00:33:27.760 And then that's it, man.

00:33:30.500 I got the book tour coming up.

00:33:31.940 I'm going to go do, you know, I've been speaking at some high schools.

00:33:34.780 That's going to start jumping off and then start speaking around the country and stuff

00:33:38.820 like that and doing the speaking engagement deals.

00:33:40.940 And that's about it, man.

00:33:42.580 Figuring out what I want to do.

00:33:43.440 I don't know if I want to coach no more.

00:33:44.620 Really?

00:33:44.900 I don't know if these kids can handle me anymore.

00:33:46.480 These enabled kids, if these parents allow to be enabled.

00:33:49.540 I don't think the kids have changed.

00:33:50.760 The parents have changed over our time, over the years.

00:33:53.800 And what do you mean by that when you say that?

00:33:55.900 When we grew up, man, there was no second guess in a coach.

00:33:59.060 Everything was yes coach, yes coach, this and that.

00:34:01.100 Now these fuckers all think they know everything.

00:34:03.000 Oh, no, I'm going to do this.

00:34:04.080 No, you're not, motherfucker.

00:34:05.060 Not under my watch.

00:34:06.100 But that's kind of what.

00:34:07.800 But then if you say that, then it's suddenly like the parents are complaining.

00:34:11.260 And now you.

00:34:12.000 Nightmare parents, they call them.

00:34:13.220 Yeah.

00:34:13.560 But, you know, it's.

00:34:15.520 I don't know, man.

00:34:16.340 Maybe, you know, all good things come to an end.

00:34:18.180 I don't know if I'm meant to do this anymore.

00:34:20.080 So it's full circle.

00:34:21.060 When I started playing, I made it professionally.

00:34:23.320 I got cut by the chief.

00:34:24.340 I got cut in NFL Europe.

00:34:25.580 Played in Arena League.

00:34:27.240 And.

00:34:27.480 What year was that?

00:34:28.960 Shoot.

00:34:29.660 Oh, two, oh, three.

00:34:31.580 Both years of those years.

00:34:33.300 And so.

00:34:33.700 I don't think who else was quarterbacking around then.

00:34:35.640 Where at?

00:34:36.720 Anywhere.

00:34:37.440 Oh, shit.

00:34:37.940 Everybody.

00:34:38.520 The guy at the chiefs was Trent Green.

00:34:40.920 Oh, yeah.

00:34:41.100 Kurt Warner was still playing.

00:34:42.220 Rams.

00:34:42.600 Yeah.

00:34:44.060 Everybody was playing then.

00:34:45.160 Was that Lorenzen?

00:34:45.960 Did Lorenzen play back then?

00:34:47.040 Or do you remember that?

00:34:47.660 Jerry Lorenzen?

00:34:48.120 Yeah.

00:34:48.860 You know, he was at Valdosta State, man, when I was playing.

00:34:52.200 I played Division II as well.

00:34:53.620 So we both were Division II.

00:34:54.820 Oh, wow.

00:34:55.300 That's cool.

00:34:55.600 And we were battling for the Harlan Hill Award, which is a D2 Heisman.

00:34:59.020 Really?

00:34:59.340 That's wild, huh?

00:35:00.000 And yeah, he was at Valdosta.

00:35:01.340 Played for a coach named Hal Mummey.

00:35:02.940 Yeah, Hal Mummey that went down to the Southeastern.

00:35:04.680 And who's a big time Mike Leach.

00:35:06.320 He basically hired Mike Leach, if you don't know.

00:35:08.600 But Mike Leach coached for Hal Mummey originally back in the day.

00:35:12.900 They're kind of the inventors of the spread, the open-up offense, you know what I mean?

00:35:16.620 But he was at Valdosta, man.

00:35:19.520 You guys ever played against each other?

00:35:20.620 Nah, we didn't play against each other.

00:35:21.940 But everybody knew who he was because he was like 400 pounds at quarterback.

00:35:25.760 Oh, yeah.

00:35:26.740 Unfortunately, he passed away, man.

00:35:28.240 Rest in peace.

00:35:29.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:29.840 He was sweet.

00:35:30.360 I went to Lexington a couple times, and he would always pop out and say hey.

00:35:33.640 Oh, did you?

00:35:34.340 Yeah.

00:35:34.580 Yeah.

00:35:34.700 He was always a really, really kind, kind man.

00:35:38.000 I heard that.

00:35:38.920 Yeah, I was just trying to think of what other quarterbacks played around then.

00:35:41.360 Yeah, it was a lot, man.

00:35:42.280 They're all still around.

00:35:44.380 A lot of big-name guys.

00:35:45.720 Favres and all them guys.

00:35:47.320 Yeah, we used to go to Favre's Town and eat mushrooms, dude, back in Kiln, Mississippi.

00:35:50.580 Is that right?

00:35:51.080 We'd go put jerseys on and eat a bunch of fucking mushrooms, dude.

00:35:53.720 Brady was just getting going, you know what I mean?

00:35:55.500 Yeah.

00:35:55.660 Drew Bledsoe had just given it up, and Brady was taking over, and they were starting to win Super Bowls already.

00:36:00.560 We're the same age, so he's a Northern California guy.

00:36:04.040 Did you ever play against him?

00:36:05.140 Nah, no, not nothing, but preseason game.

00:36:08.540 You did?

00:36:09.160 Mm-hmm.

00:36:09.520 Who won?

00:36:10.780 We actually won, but I didn't play at the same time as he did.

00:36:13.880 He's a starter.

00:36:14.580 I was a fucking practice squad guy.

00:36:16.180 But you had something to do with it, I bet.

00:36:17.560 Yeah, so it was good.

00:36:18.660 It was good times, you know what I mean?

00:36:19.680 Did you ever play against any real heaters out there?

00:36:22.160 Nah, you know, remember Julius Peppers?

00:36:25.080 Yeah.

00:36:25.640 He played for North Carolina, right?

00:36:28.020 North Carolina, Carolina Panthers.

00:36:30.300 He lit me up in a preseason game.

00:36:31.980 So, he shouldn't have fucking been in when I was in.

00:36:34.320 I was fucking 13 O-line, you know what I mean?

00:36:36.580 But, you know, it is what it is.

00:36:38.860 I love all the shit.

00:36:39.600 You always have the best explanations for everything that make none of it your fault.

00:36:43.520 Yeah, I know that.

00:36:46.160 That's how it is, man.

00:36:46.980 It's the best.

00:36:47.640 That's the best.

00:36:48.580 Is part of a head coach's job to make it not their fault no matter what?

00:36:52.980 Nah, I take responsibility, man.

00:36:54.600 I tell everybody, man, the kids and the coaches are responsible, but I'm accountable.

00:37:00.600 There's a huge difference.

00:37:01.980 And I'm accountable for the entire gamut.

00:37:04.780 You know, 30 administrative people, trainers, coaches, football operations people, and then

00:37:12.020 I got 200 kids, you know what I mean?

00:37:14.140 Which are all, like, my kids.

00:37:16.200 So, I'm accountable, man.

00:37:19.040 And if people don't realize, but people ask, like, okay, Joe Paterno didn't know, bullshit.

00:37:24.180 You're the head coach.

00:37:25.140 You know every fucking thing.

00:37:26.440 Right, so you have to know everything.

00:37:27.840 I know everything.

00:37:28.500 Because it seems like, yeah, you're, sometimes it's like, or just from the show's perception,

00:37:33.160 it's like, yeah, you're always in everybody's ass, it seems like.

00:37:37.160 Right.

00:37:37.720 And that's because, but I guess you have to be, you have to know what's going on if you're

00:37:40.860 going to be the one who has to be accountable.

00:37:43.360 My thing was, I don't want to get a call from the cops, and you didn't tell me first,

00:37:48.800 coach, assistant coach.

00:37:50.260 I should know every fucking thing before it happens, because you guys are in them dorms,

00:37:52.820 you know what's going on.

00:37:53.740 If you have any relationship with your players, you know exactly where the motherfuckers are.

00:37:57.720 And that's how I was as an assistant.

00:37:59.860 My kids weren't getting in trouble.

00:38:02.200 And as a head coach, the number one job of an assistant coach is to protect the head coach,

00:38:07.120 one.

00:38:07.660 The second most important thing is, don't let shit get put on the head coach's desk.

00:38:13.660 And those are two things that I never allowed as an assistant, and I try to teach those assistants.

00:38:18.780 If you want to get a big time job, that's what you got to do.

00:38:21.680 And it comes off, okay, if I'm hate me now, love me later when I get you the job.

00:38:25.580 Because at the end of the day, man, it's a results-oriented business, and that's what's

00:38:29.160 in that book.

00:38:30.280 And you win the game or you lose it, man.

00:38:31.920 There's no gray area in football.

00:38:33.600 Last time I checked, they fucking checked score.

00:38:35.840 And the kids graduate or they don't, they get a scholarship or they don't.

00:38:39.200 Those things come on me.

00:38:40.960 And last I checked, the assistant coach doesn't have a win-loss next to their record on their

00:38:44.900 resume.

00:38:45.320 So do you think you played the game of getting...

00:38:47.240 It sounds like you played the game of getting kids to the next level pretty well, right?

00:38:51.980 It sounds like that game you played pretty well.

00:38:54.660 If you look back on your years, and even if you look back on the show, I mean, even though

00:38:59.980 it's kind of like a...

00:39:01.360 That's kind of a selective interpretation.

00:39:05.320 What do you think you could have done better or differently or, you know?

00:39:10.700 Shit, man.

00:39:11.720 There has to be something, man.

00:39:13.220 There's a lot of stuff, man, probably.

00:39:14.940 Little things, you know?

00:39:16.320 I would have loved to have hired an offensive coordinator.

00:39:18.500 Right.

00:39:18.780 But we didn't have the money.

00:39:20.240 So it was like, it wasn't in my hands to do.

00:39:22.460 And did you take a bigger salary?

00:39:23.600 Was there a reason you guys didn't have the money?

00:39:24.960 Like, would there have been...

00:39:26.140 No, I got raises here and there.

00:39:28.000 And I got up there, you know, pretty high.

00:39:30.760 And it was decent stuff for me.

00:39:32.180 But I got my offensive line coach really high.

00:39:33.800 My D coordinator really high.

00:39:34.960 The one that's on the show living in the dorms.

00:39:37.120 Is he a neat guy?

00:39:38.240 Yeah.

00:39:38.800 I've known his older brother for a long time.

00:39:40.440 Martin, is that what he's like?

00:39:41.220 Yeah, but, you know, his wife, I guess, tried to bash me, which comes off pretty fucking

00:39:45.380 unappreciative.

00:39:46.080 But I got her an AA degree for free.

00:39:48.420 But fuck me, right?

00:39:50.240 So, and also, I didn't hold them guys hostage by any fucking...

00:39:54.380 They had plenty of opportunity to go get an apartment in town.

00:39:57.060 Yeah.

00:39:57.200 They made enough coin.

00:39:58.180 Yeah.

00:39:58.660 But they chose to do that.

00:40:00.060 But I guess the show shows them, like, I'm the fucking devil and I kept them there or

00:40:03.360 something.

00:40:04.020 But I knew his older brother for a long time.

00:40:06.740 And, you know, they should talk about me firing them and all that.

00:40:08.720 But I did fire him, but nobody knows why, because they didn't know what he did.

00:40:12.200 And he admitted what he did.

00:40:13.480 And I hired him back, because I loved the kid.

00:40:16.440 I know his older brother.

00:40:17.920 Yeah.

00:40:18.380 You know, we kind of grew...

00:40:19.260 He's from Pasadena.

00:40:20.840 Juco guys.

00:40:22.180 And so, you know, I just...

00:40:23.960 It came off from his wife, kind of unappreciative, in my opinion, what we did for him.

00:40:27.840 Yeah.

00:40:27.960 Because he was, like, the second or third highest paid D coordinator in our league.

00:40:31.840 He could have went and got an apartment.

00:40:34.200 But they don't show those things.

00:40:35.960 They don't show that.

00:40:36.900 Mm-hmm.

00:40:37.260 Do you feel unappreciated?

00:40:41.140 I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

00:40:42.820 No, of course not.

00:40:43.520 I mean, I will, dude.

00:40:44.420 Look, yeah.

00:40:45.180 I mean, I've cried a couple times in this podcast, but...

00:40:47.700 Yeah, look.

00:40:49.240 I'm not going to, man.

00:40:50.260 You know, the town...

00:40:51.620 Would you know who Independence Kansas was if the fucking show didn't come there?

00:40:55.120 No.

00:40:55.520 Nobody would.

00:40:56.320 And you wouldn't know any of those kids.

00:40:58.060 And probably 17 coaches don't go to Division I.

00:41:00.340 And there probably isn't $3 million brought into that town because of Netflix.

00:41:03.640 Yeah.

00:41:03.860 So, I guess in that regard, yeah.

00:41:07.100 We got a question that came in right here from...

00:41:09.720 Because we have video questions that came in.

00:41:11.420 Let's hear it.

00:41:11.820 Yeah, and this one's related to about the town's attitude.

00:41:15.300 And that's not me in a disguise, even though me and that guy have a very similar nose.

00:41:18.340 No doubt.

00:41:18.940 What's up, Theo?

00:41:19.840 Gang, gang, gang.

00:41:20.760 So, Coach Brown, just wondering, how did the people in Independence Kansas treat you?

00:41:26.760 Do you think that they were racist?

00:41:28.860 Not towards you, obviously, but I feel like they didn't like the football team.

00:41:32.840 Do you think that any of that had to do with race?

00:41:35.780 Thanks, Theo.

00:41:36.720 Gang, gang.

00:41:37.460 Gang, bro.

00:41:37.900 Is that guy stealing a bulldozer?

00:41:39.700 I didn't feel that at all.

00:41:40.820 I didn't feel like there was any racial tension, really.

00:41:43.520 I think there might have been some undertones.

00:41:45.620 There might have been some underlying stuff.

00:41:47.120 I mean, yeah, that's just in the history book, so I think that's...

00:41:49.820 Yeah, we didn't face any.

00:41:51.240 We didn't face any.

00:41:52.420 The town people that I'm...

00:41:54.600 I love the people there.

00:41:56.240 The hatred that I took from there, there's a select few guys.

00:41:59.980 And most people there love me, and we got along great, man.

00:42:03.980 It was great people there.

00:42:05.380 There's these pseudo guys that make these pseudo names up.

00:42:07.900 So, Freddy's really Johnny and Freddy and Bobby.

00:42:10.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:10.540 And he comes up with three names, and he's now from Arizona, but he's right there.

00:42:14.060 Right.

00:42:14.300 And he makes up these names, so the percentage goes up in hate.

00:42:17.440 And especially if they're the ones talking more, then it looks like it's 50%.

00:42:20.520 Even those three people.

00:42:21.700 Yeah, and it was that way.

00:42:23.860 But, you know, this is the thing to answer his question.

00:42:27.220 So, you know, the Jayhawk Conference in Kansas and the Mississippi League, where you got it from,

00:42:32.100 Mississippi only has eight out-of-staters allowed.

00:42:34.120 But Mississippi's more of a predominantly black state.

00:42:36.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:37.220 Kansas is a predominantly white state.

00:42:38.480 Yeah.

00:42:39.160 We only had 20 out-of-staters allowed when I got the job.

00:42:41.880 That rule changed seemingly overnight, so we became an unlimited out-of-staters state in junior college.

00:42:48.800 So you could bring in as many as you wanted.

00:42:49.860 So, of course, nobody's going to recruit Kansas no more because Kansas high school football is not very good.

00:42:55.000 Not to bash them, but they don't have the legislature in place to allow those kids to thrive.

00:43:00.320 They don't.

00:43:00.780 As soon as football season's over, you cannot have a football out again.

00:43:04.700 You go right into wrestling, track, basketball.

00:43:07.180 We're in California, Georgia, Florida, Texas.

00:43:09.740 Football season ends after Christmas.

00:43:11.340 You could pick up a football again, and you're football training again 24-7.

00:43:14.500 I see.

00:43:15.120 Everybody's a lot more trained, a lot more acclimated.

00:43:16.940 That's at the high school level.

00:43:17.840 They go passing games, high school level.

00:43:18.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:18.940 So Kansas is behind the times in that regard.

00:43:20.500 So I was hoping the out-of-state rule, optimistically speaking, changed the entire legislature from the high schools.

00:43:25.440 It hasn't yet.

00:43:26.460 Hopefully it will.

00:43:27.820 But then it probably keeps sports like wrestling and stuff big in those areas.

00:43:32.140 Yeah, it does.

00:43:32.480 It does.

00:43:32.720 But to answer his question, I think there's some hidden racial agendas because of the fact, okay, now we were Kansas, predominant Kansas, eight-team league, and now it's become out-of-state.

00:43:45.540 Our Kansans aren't playing anymore.

00:43:47.140 I see.

00:43:47.640 And now there was some spite, I think, and some hatred.

00:43:51.280 But we didn't really see it.

00:43:52.280 My coaches didn't really see it.

00:43:53.740 Yeah.

00:43:54.460 But not from the local people, though.

00:43:55.780 You didn't feel like that?

00:43:56.620 We didn't have that feel.

00:43:57.740 There was no tension that way.

00:43:58.700 You think there might be some underlying stuff that's like, yeah, because it's like, they almost might need to make some legislation to even just keep white people in sports at some point.

00:44:06.340 No doubt.

00:44:06.860 No doubt.

00:44:07.380 And Bill Burr.

00:44:08.060 Yeah.

00:44:08.300 But, you know, they come to me and talk about, I think they more took it out on me.

00:44:13.880 Like, let's get this fucker out of here so these fuckers, these freaks of nature won't be here no more.

00:44:18.820 We can go back to having, you know, fucking John Deere here.

00:44:22.200 Well, they must have been upset, though, the townspeople.

00:44:24.840 Were they upset about the show?

00:44:26.040 Because I could see if it brings in a lot of knuckleheads, like you're saying, into this campus that you don't even see on the show.

00:44:31.580 Yeah.

00:44:31.780 That are just maybe hopeful football players.

00:44:34.960 Like, guys who got, you know, locked out of D7, you know, who are homeschool football team, you know.

00:44:39.940 Yep, yep.

00:44:40.980 You know, they, because they're just milling around town then.

00:44:43.920 I mean, was there a lot of people just milling around town?

00:44:45.840 Probably.

00:44:46.160 Probably.

00:44:46.400 But, you know, that's why I always had a relationship with every manager that owned a place in that town.

00:44:50.620 Walmart.

00:44:52.280 You know, all the restaurants.

00:44:54.040 So if any football player, which is going to be a black kid in their mind, so that's why I taught, go to the corner store and buy a black and mild.

00:45:01.720 Right.

00:45:02.160 And if the 35-year-old black guy is in the store, guess who fucking did it?

00:45:06.200 Football player.

00:45:07.120 Right.

00:45:07.400 And that's the fucking, that's the, we get that black eye.

00:45:11.080 Unfortunately, and I taught those kids, man, they don't give a shit about you.

00:45:14.540 So don't get caught up.

00:45:15.880 Don't be stupid.

00:45:16.660 Don't be in the store.

00:45:17.460 Don't go to Walmart and steal.

00:45:19.180 And that was big before I got the job.

00:45:21.000 We didn't have that issue.

00:45:21.740 I never had a kid arrested.

00:45:22.500 I never had any domestic violence charges.

00:45:24.440 We never had any issues.

00:45:26.000 And I let those managers know.

00:45:27.860 They would call me if there was any concern or people disrespectful.

00:45:30.540 I didn't allow that shit.

00:45:31.740 And I'd cut them quick.

00:45:33.180 So the town's folks knew that discipline was there before, since I was there.

00:45:38.160 They know it was tenfold from when I was there.

00:45:40.080 They were robbing and pillaging before I got there.

00:45:42.340 Oh, before you got there.

00:45:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:45:43.220 So you felt like you definitely really tightened a lot of it up.

00:45:44.820 Oh, yeah.

00:45:45.060 We tightened it up.

00:45:45.760 And they weren't going to, they weren't going to free-for-all run around that town.

00:45:48.140 And you'd cut the kids.

00:45:49.080 Cut them quick.

00:45:49.640 Would you do it?

00:45:50.120 Get them out of there.

00:45:50.960 Oh, yeah.

00:45:51.960 We cut hundreds.

00:45:53.780 Is it fun to cut them sometimes?

00:45:55.600 Hell, yeah.

00:45:56.020 It's fun to cut them fuckers.

00:45:57.280 Yeah.

00:45:58.460 Trim the fat, man.

00:45:59.980 Trim the fat.

00:46:00.800 You got to cut the cancer.

00:46:01.600 My dad died of cancer, man.

00:46:02.600 I told him.

00:46:03.060 I said, fuck, I'm not going to have that shit around.

00:46:04.680 You better get the fuck.

00:46:05.400 You better shit or get off the pot, man.

00:46:07.500 Yeah.

00:46:07.660 Did you get lonesome in the town?

00:46:12.100 You know, man, we worked 20 hours a day.

00:46:14.480 People don't realize we worked, we were there, you know, burning midnight oil, man.

00:46:20.900 And we were tough.

00:46:22.380 We had waits at five.

00:46:23.880 That means my staff was there at four to get the damn thing ready.

00:46:26.660 Really?

00:46:27.080 Were you there, too, or just the staffs there?

00:46:28.700 You get to show up a little later.

00:46:30.000 I showed up a little later for the fact that I did all that shit for 20 years.

00:46:34.500 Right.

00:46:34.660 I painted fields and all that.

00:46:36.780 It's their time to fucking figure it out.

00:46:38.300 They didn't.

00:46:38.760 They were going to get fired.

00:46:39.780 And that's just results-oriented.

00:46:42.480 But I also did everything else.

00:46:44.220 Like, I was there.

00:46:45.040 My thing is, if you're going to be a leader, you're going to show it.

00:46:47.220 You're not going to talk it.

00:46:48.420 So everything that we did, I did, obviously.

00:46:50.700 But certain things like that, I believe head coaches, they've earned the right to sleep

00:46:56.260 in an extra 20 minutes.

00:46:57.580 I agree with you.

00:46:58.360 But, you know, those type of things happen.

00:47:00.680 And then we were there until midnight, man.

00:47:02.940 And we were curfew checking them at 11.30 p.m., getting right back up at 4.

00:47:07.700 So, I mean, you know, we're there all day with them.

00:47:09.460 Class checking them, dorm checking them, make sure they're not smoking and stealing and doing

00:47:12.620 any stupid things.

00:47:14.020 And unfortunately, last year, we had more of that than any year I've ever been as a coach.

00:47:19.340 Well, it seems like you said, like, you know, you had kind of control over that.

00:47:22.000 Then what made it go so haywire last year?

00:47:24.520 The cameras.

00:47:25.960 Really?

00:47:26.120 Yeah, it's just a nucleus, bad nucleus.

00:47:28.720 And do you feel like you could, going back on it, would you have done anything different

00:47:32.740 to, like, from the top down, like, this is how it is?

00:47:36.160 You know what?

00:47:36.600 I don't know.

00:47:37.020 I think it might have been inevitable, man.

00:47:38.560 I don't know if you could have changed that.

00:47:39.760 I don't know if anybody could have came in there and did anything different.

00:47:43.280 I wasn't going to change up anything because my model's always been successful.

00:47:48.020 So why would it change all of a sudden?

00:47:50.100 We still have the best players.

00:47:51.120 Did you change your thing?

00:47:51.940 I don't think I changed.

00:47:53.140 Because the ego is dangerous, man.

00:47:55.360 I noticed from my own ego, you know, like, my career has changed a lot.

00:47:58.160 I've worked for 15 years, and in the past year, it's really gotten a lot different.

00:48:01.840 You know?

00:48:02.120 And sometimes it's tough for me.

00:48:04.120 You know, I'm tough.

00:48:04.980 I've been, we've gone through stuff here with working with my producer.

00:48:07.700 It's been tough for me to learn to work with others, but it's been tough for me to learn

00:48:10.960 who I am as I'm becoming more of a, I have to be more responsible and stuff, you know?

00:48:15.240 We all grow.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:16.340 It's been tough for me.

00:48:17.780 I've had a lot of struggles with it.

00:48:19.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:20.280 And sometimes it's my own ego.

00:48:21.760 Sometimes it's insecurity.

00:48:24.080 You know, it's a little bit of everything.

00:48:25.640 You know, I think football coaches, especially head coaches, are probably the most egotistical

00:48:29.300 humans on earth.

00:48:30.640 I think football players are the most egotistical people on earth.

00:48:34.080 And I think that's where you get the headbutting going on.

00:48:38.720 But I don't think I changed.

00:48:40.320 I think as the year went on, you can see, my boss made a comment the other day, you can

00:48:45.440 see in the show, because she watched it, you could see on the show how you just were

00:48:49.300 like, give me the fuck over this year, because you didn't want to be around those kids, those

00:48:53.440 coaches, nothing.

00:48:54.520 And I didn't.

00:48:55.340 And that's why I was, week five, to be honest with you, I was thinking about what I'm doing

00:49:00.760 different next year already.

00:49:02.460 And I already had the plan.

00:49:03.960 I was doing it every night till midnight or two in the morning, three in the morning

00:49:06.720 in my office building this year's team.

00:49:08.920 And is that because if you don't win that year, if you don't get to that hot, like if

00:49:13.260 you're not undefeated, then it doesn't really matter?

00:49:15.240 Or what is...

00:49:16.180 No, it's just that I knew the nucleus we had.

00:49:20.120 And it was just a bad batch, man.

00:49:22.020 Bad batch from top to bottom.

00:49:23.600 And I knew I was starting over and I was going to gut this thing and we were going to get

00:49:27.360 back to the basics.

00:49:28.800 And character first was what I was changing.

00:49:31.300 So I had character first wrapped everywhere in the facility.

00:49:35.020 And that was going to happen.

00:49:36.120 And that's...

00:49:37.060 So that kid, that German kid that I hired, that whole issue happened with, I hired him

00:49:42.360 to be a graphic design guy.

00:49:44.540 And he was a manager, came from overseas, came out there.

00:49:48.020 And I got him a job on campus, fed him every day.

00:49:50.960 I said, listen, if you can help me wrap this facility, get it nice, I'll let you be on

00:49:54.320 the team.

00:49:55.020 You'll never play, but I'll let you be on the team.

00:49:56.900 What was he going to be on the team, a soccer player?

00:49:59.280 I don't know what he would have been.

00:50:01.320 But he did a good job.

00:50:03.420 And I let him in.

00:50:04.620 He helped me wrap that thing, getting all that going.

00:50:06.660 Yeah, I will say that a lot of stuff looked good.

00:50:08.380 Yeah.

00:50:08.680 So, you know, that place was bad when I got there, man.

00:50:10.960 You don't even know.

00:50:11.860 I built everything with these, man.

00:50:13.360 And that's the most rewarding thing, I think.

00:50:14.960 The blood, sweat, and tears you put in and when you win it, that's the most rewarding

00:50:18.840 deal in anything.

00:50:21.540 Yeah, did he backstab you a little bit?

00:50:23.320 I didn't think it was that bad.

00:50:24.300 Texting you calling my buddy Hitler, that doesn't mean anything to me.

00:50:26.420 It's like, I don't give a fuck.

00:50:27.480 It's like, it's a joke between friends and it's a fucking...

00:50:29.940 He called himself that.

00:50:30.980 And that's when he got there, he did that.

00:50:33.300 And the team called him that.

00:50:34.760 Everybody called him that word.

00:50:36.160 Yeah, Digital Hitler, I think, is one of his screen names.

00:50:38.860 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:50:39.980 He had the Mein Kampf book he'd walk around with.

00:50:42.740 Oh, damn.

00:50:43.220 Right.

00:50:44.020 Yeah, he did a lot of that.

00:50:45.080 It's all going to come out, man, the truth.

00:50:46.540 And the thing is, man, he did a lot of that stuff.

00:50:48.720 And the kids were going to kill him, man, after the whole deal.

00:50:51.840 And even though I'm getting investigated, I'm having to protect that kid from getting killed

00:50:55.720 by the players.

00:50:56.800 People don't know that.

00:50:57.660 And, you know, I hired the kid.

00:50:59.720 The players mattered for it.

00:51:00.380 Because they were trying to fire me over it.

00:51:02.900 Oh, and the players wanted you there.

00:51:04.580 Yeah.

00:51:04.980 And they were like, motherfucker, your ass calls yourself that.

00:51:08.260 Now you want some 15 minutes of fame?

00:51:10.260 Right.

00:51:10.600 And you see in the show, I guess, Greg, I thought, depicted it right.

00:51:14.060 You know, you see us.

00:51:15.280 They're all, kids are calling him that.

00:51:17.000 I'm calling him that.

00:51:17.920 Oh, yeah.

00:51:18.200 On the field, in the office, he's laughing and giggling because he knew.

00:51:20.980 And you see the text messages that were put in there, there's stuff scratched out on the media.

00:51:27.320 There's some stuff missing that's unbelievable in how people take their own opinion and run with it.

00:51:32.800 Also, it's a text message between two people.

00:51:34.640 Who gives a shit?

00:51:35.160 If I say Nick and I'm, look, I'm sorry if I'm being a Hitler today or, you know what I'm saying?

00:51:39.240 Let me ask you this.

00:51:39.920 Did you know this?

00:51:40.900 My boss, the president of the college, was of Jewish descent.

00:51:45.200 Who?

00:51:46.280 Barnwood.

00:51:46.780 Barnwood.

00:51:47.060 Yeah, I knew that.

00:51:47.780 So, he's up there saying these things in the academic building.

00:51:51.420 I get wind of it.

00:51:52.400 I bring him in the office.

00:51:53.280 I suspend him.

00:51:54.620 He also, I had a huge issue with him and females.

00:51:58.620 Females were coming to me left and right like he's super scary to them.

00:52:01.900 Yeah.

00:52:02.300 And he's creepy.

00:52:03.500 Oh, dude, he made my fucking ovaries hurt a little.

00:52:05.760 And I got a cock.

00:52:07.420 You feel me?

00:52:08.960 He's breaking into the weight room, man.

00:52:11.920 This sounds like Selena.

00:52:13.060 This sounds like the person that killed Selena.

00:52:15.060 Fuck.

00:52:15.860 Man, I'm just telling you.

00:52:16.900 Why didn't you let that guy go then at some point?

00:52:19.120 Well, I did.

00:52:19.660 I suspended the guy and I cut.

00:52:21.720 I said, you're done here.

00:52:22.840 He immediately goes from there to the fucking academic building and doing like the marching

00:52:27.200 shit.

00:52:27.740 Oh.

00:52:28.140 And the teachers call me and that's when I sent out the text.

00:52:31.420 And I was really doing it as a joke to say, listen, I'm trying to help your savior ass,

00:52:35.620 but I'm your new boss, basically.

00:52:37.480 Get your ass over here and see me because you're not going to do that shit under my watch

00:52:40.680 and under my program and make us look bad as a football program.

00:52:44.520 And so, that's why I regret that.

00:52:45.720 I regret doing that way because obviously nowadays with the soft-natured people that

00:52:50.960 we live in in this culture, this society, they want to get 15 minutes of fame and they're

00:52:55.040 going to blast you out.

00:52:55.980 And I don't blame the kids, man.

00:52:57.260 I don't blame the kid.

00:52:59.040 You don't blame him?

00:53:00.180 I don't blame him.

00:53:00.940 I blame the cowardly grown folks that pushed it.

00:53:04.280 I get the kid a job on campus.

00:53:05.960 It's the guy that employed him that pushed this.

00:53:08.260 Right.

00:53:08.440 And it's ridiculous because he wanted some fame.

00:53:11.620 Not the principal, huh?

00:53:12.280 Not the president.

00:53:13.160 Not the president.

00:53:13.820 No.

00:53:14.020 Because the president seemed to kind of, he doesn't comment on it in the show, but yeah,

00:53:18.220 I mean, I knew that he was Jewish or he seemed like it, you know?

00:53:20.520 And then, but then I was like, oh, if he didn't really comment on it, then he, you know,

00:53:25.240 like, I don't know if anybody.

00:53:26.460 Nobody cared.

00:53:27.120 Nobody.

00:53:27.620 Here's the thing.

00:53:28.200 Nobody really cares about any of this shit.

00:53:29.980 Nobody does.

00:53:30.480 It's like people write articles and then people that are bored.

00:53:33.340 If I wasn't a public figure, I'm still there.

00:53:35.460 Nobody gives a fuck.

00:53:36.420 The thing is, the president came in.

00:53:37.560 If you were winning, do you think that anybody would have cared?

00:53:39.160 This is the thing.

00:53:39.940 They hadn't won in 30 years.

00:53:41.280 Year one, we went in there.

00:53:42.260 We beat four teams that they haven't beaten in 30 years.

00:53:44.460 Yeah.

00:53:44.740 We beat them.

00:53:45.100 Oh, they got a picture of the independence football team from like 25 years ago and half

00:53:48.260 of them have won ice skates, dude.

00:53:50.160 Fucking shitty squad, bro.

00:53:53.200 Well, that's what I mean.

00:53:54.240 So, we go five and four year one.

00:53:56.220 Yeah, what I'm at a catcher's mitt on.

00:53:57.900 I'm like, what is that, dude?

00:53:59.440 No shit.

00:53:59.860 But five and four year one.

00:54:01.480 I mean, unheard of.

00:54:03.040 So, like, okay, shit.

00:54:03.980 Next year, we win it.

00:54:05.920 Then I have one bad year, and that's not – I wasn't worried about – I was like,

00:54:10.980 I'm never going to fight for a bad year after what we've done here in three years.

00:54:14.600 So, that's why week five, I was prepping for this year.

00:54:17.320 Right.

00:54:17.600 And I was already gutting it, getting ready for the program because I think we would have

00:54:21.840 won it all this year.

00:54:22.580 We had a great staff I hired, the best recruiting class in my three years there.

00:54:27.020 So, it had even been better.

00:54:28.080 So, going back, what could you have done different, do you think, if you were looking

00:54:32.460 back on it?

00:54:33.060 I mean, what –

00:54:33.960 Man, I don't know, man.

00:54:36.200 I don't know.

00:54:37.140 Sometimes things are supposed to go the way they go, man.

00:54:40.580 Yeah.

00:54:40.680 I don't know if you can change something.

00:54:43.040 You know, I didn't do anything different.

00:54:44.820 It was – you know, the cameras didn't bother me.

00:54:46.800 They bothered other guys.

00:54:48.320 But this is the one thing I'll tell you, which might sound like jokingly, as a joke, I'll

00:54:54.720 never hire these young fucking coaches again.

00:54:57.140 So, maybe I'll have a staff of fucking 80-year-olds next time I get a job because those guys know

00:55:01.960 the intimate setting of a locker room.

00:55:05.180 And when we grew up in football, football locker room was the most intimate setting,

00:55:08.600 period.

00:55:09.420 Now, it's a mockery.

00:55:10.940 It's a place where kids want to film you, cussing out the team because Johnny stole

00:55:15.000 at Walmart.

00:55:15.680 You're cussing out the guy and the team for making an example of everybody.

00:55:19.380 So, you better not do it or this guy, you're going to end up like him, cut, or in jail.

00:55:24.240 And they want to film you on the low and put it on social media and even coaches, young

00:55:29.740 coaches.

00:55:30.240 I'm just like, where does this become?

00:55:31.800 Everybody's trying to get their clout.

00:55:33.120 And that's what kind of gave me a sour taste in coaching.

00:55:35.680 Maybe I don't want to do this no more if it's become such a spectacle.

00:55:38.900 Well, there's so many battles it seems like you have to face.

00:55:40.900 Not only are you trying to keep these, I mean, and you're also, you're at the, you're

00:55:44.440 like a second, you're, you know, you're at the, you're a father, but you're also, you're

00:55:50.840 the tent behind the big circus.

00:55:52.820 It's like, this is where the animals, you know, they got animals doing cigarettes out

00:55:56.740 here, you know what I'm saying?

00:55:57.420 Half the guy, you know.

00:55:58.340 This is where we, this is where all the shit's done and you don't, they don't show

00:56:01.540 it.

00:56:01.860 Like, you know, there's a lot of things and, you know, you get drug through the mud back

00:56:04.760 there.

00:56:05.620 They just show the good shit, you know, dumping water on me when we, you know,

00:56:08.560 we win it all.

00:56:09.240 Like, you don't know what we had to go through to win that thing.

00:56:12.140 You know what I mean?

00:56:12.640 And it's not like it's a 20 minute ride from, in California, Juco, you're taking 20 minute

00:56:17.520 bus rides.

00:56:18.120 You know, we're going to Garden City seven hours across the state or to Iowa or whatever.

00:56:23.200 And, you know, you got to deal with those kids in hotels overnight, you know?

00:56:26.440 Yeah.

00:56:27.340 Oh, I'm sure.

00:56:28.040 Especially with social media now, everybody's trying to fuck each other and all of this shit.

00:56:32.140 It's a, it's a joke, man.

00:56:33.460 It's become really funny.

00:56:33.940 Oh, you could fuck somebody at a truck stop.

00:56:35.580 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:35.960 If you got a fill, if you're filling up a 30 gallon tank, you'd have time.

00:56:39.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:39.760 It's like these days, it's so easy to just cross paths with someone.

00:56:43.340 Go to AM PM or whatever.

00:56:44.680 Yeah.

00:56:44.780 Do you, do you wish you were still at Independence?

00:56:54.080 Not how it ended, no, because I just don't, I feel the course had ran its, you know, the

00:57:00.200 time ran its course.

00:57:01.020 I think it was done.

00:57:02.440 It was time to move on.

00:57:03.480 All good things come to an end.

00:57:04.660 I built that place, man.

00:57:05.640 I mean, there's a brand new turf field there, state of the art, locker rooms, meeting rooms,

00:57:11.520 you name it.

00:57:12.020 I did it, and so I missed that part of it, because I know what we were going to have.

00:57:16.180 It would have been the premier place in America.

00:57:17.880 There's no doubt about it.

00:57:19.800 But at the same time, man, if I've never kissed anyone's ass, man, if you don't want me there,

00:57:25.080 I'm fucking leaving on my own.

00:57:26.540 You don't got to beg me to leave, and you don't have to force me out.

00:57:29.420 I'm leaving on my own, and that's just how I was raised, man, and so if you don't want

00:57:33.460 me, I don't want to be here either, and for the most part, I was wanted by everybody.

00:57:37.000 You know, 99% of that town wanted me there, man.

00:57:38.860 I get a lot of love emails from them people to this day in Independence, man, and I love

00:57:44.160 my time there.

00:57:45.020 You know, to be honest, small town and all that, but it was fine with me.

00:57:48.180 I was there to do a job, which was to help young boys turn into men, and we did that.

00:57:53.380 We excelled, and we did it better than anybody in the country, and so we put our footprints

00:57:58.080 in the sand, man, so to speak, and we've said history, made history there, and now maybe

00:58:03.220 it's something, it's a new venture to be had.

00:58:07.400 What are you missing right now about coaching?

00:58:09.740 The interaction with the kids, you know what I mean?

00:58:11.640 I mean, recruiting and getting those kids, finding the next Emmitt Gooden or Rakim Boyd

00:58:17.660 or Malik Henry, and trying to save one of them, because you can't save them all, so my whole

00:58:23.800 thing is save one of them, man, because I try to tell these young coaches, you try to save

00:58:28.640 them all, you're going to spread yourself too thin and be super, super heartbroken at

00:58:31.880 the end of the day.

00:58:32.460 I learned that as a young coach.

00:58:33.740 Did you?

00:58:34.440 Yeah, and so, you know, now you just try to pick one and save that one kid, and hopefully

00:58:39.360 we save more than that, obviously, but that's my goal, and so, you know, I missed that part

00:58:45.160 of it, trying to find a guy to save again, and, you know, help these young cats out.

00:58:49.320 Some of these other, when teams were playing you guys in your conference last season, were

00:58:54.540 a lot of the, were people more trying to beat you, or trying to beat that team?

00:58:59.960 Me.

00:59:00.540 Really?

00:59:00.800 They hated me.

00:59:01.240 They hated me.

00:59:01.680 They hated you.

00:59:02.420 They hated me in California when I was here.

00:59:04.000 Because I beat everybody's ass, and I recruited everybody.

00:59:06.240 That's how it goes.

00:59:07.220 Why do they hate you everywhere you go?

00:59:09.060 Hate me now, love me later, man, I guess.

00:59:11.420 You know, man, do you think people love Nick Saban?

00:59:15.060 That play against them?

00:59:15.860 You know what's funny is?

00:59:16.860 I hate Nick Saban, but I respect him more than any other coach.

00:59:21.320 That's what I'm saying.

00:59:21.880 So, those coaches don't like Nick Saban.

00:59:24.680 He runs the, that's his shit.

00:59:26.620 SEC is his league.

00:59:28.200 It ain't fucking, it ain't a league.

00:59:30.600 It's his league.

00:59:31.160 It's Saban.

00:59:31.420 It's everybody playing for a second.

00:59:32.160 It's Saban's conference, you know what I mean?

00:59:34.800 And those coaches don't want that.

00:59:37.000 They're fucking trying to beat them.

00:59:38.060 And so, remember, everybody was on the TV show, on national Netflix last year.

00:59:42.740 So, every team we got, whether they were shitty or good, we got them times 10.

00:59:47.140 They were on steroids.

00:59:48.400 Yeah.

00:59:48.580 And everybody wanted to beat us on film, on camera.

00:59:52.400 And I'll try and tell our guys, man, you don't understand.

00:59:55.320 You're playing a team that's shitty, and they're rising to, they're rising 10 times up over the hour.

01:00:01.360 Yeah, they're rising out the toilet right now.

01:00:03.460 They want to beat your ass, man, on Netflix.

01:00:05.580 They're not going to lose on Netflix.

01:00:06.680 They did last year.

01:00:07.380 We beat everybody on Netflix last year.

01:00:08.880 Everybody's pissed.

01:00:09.500 We're talking shit.

01:00:11.280 Was the show going to come back for a third season?

01:00:15.220 Possibly.

01:00:16.420 But not definitely.

01:00:17.960 Not definitely.

01:00:18.740 I wasn't told they would.

01:00:20.680 But there was probably a big-time chance because I don't know.

01:00:23.960 I've been told, I'm not going to say names, but I've been told that they're going to have a hard time replacing me on there.

01:00:29.420 Just because of the polarization, I guess.

01:00:31.620 Not to boast, but I think they're having a hard time finding somebody now.

01:00:36.520 And then how many coaches are going to, now that they see the stuff coming out and how I'm portrayed?

01:00:44.540 Because a lot of these coaches, even in those JUCOs, know me.

01:00:47.060 They know that ain't the real me.

01:00:48.800 They're like, fuck, you got fucked over.

01:00:51.000 They're not going to probably accept it, too, because you're going to do this to me?

01:00:54.540 You know what I mean?

01:00:55.180 Right.

01:00:55.720 So they probably have that battle, too.

01:00:57.780 So it could have been an easier deal just to follow me and keep fucking me.

01:01:01.640 Yeah.

01:01:01.960 Yeah, because it seemed like they went two seasons, and from what I heard, they weren't sure until the last minute if they were going to switch to a different school.

01:01:09.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:09.360 And I've worked in an unscripted program before, and it's like, yeah, you never really know until a couple weeks before the camera starts rolling.

01:01:18.060 They can make a different call.

01:01:19.520 That's how it is.

01:01:19.900 Until it's greenlit.

01:01:21.040 And I kind of feel like the story, I mean, there would have been a chance for a comeback season, maybe.

01:01:25.220 Yeah, no doubt.

01:01:25.540 But after that, I couldn't see how they would go more than three seasons.

01:01:28.440 And to be honest, man, I didn't want to end that year on a loop, two and eight.

01:01:32.920 You know what I mean?

01:01:33.440 Yeah, you guys got fucked.

01:01:34.780 And you know, we lost four games by one, two games by three.

01:01:37.880 Like, those games we lost, and then we get blown out by the worst team in the league, and that was because it had hit.

01:01:43.620 The nucleus had settled in, and it was like, ah, fuck, we're done.

01:01:47.700 What was wrong with the quarterback that, because it starts Jay Jones?

01:01:52.020 Yeah.

01:01:52.480 Jay Jones, what was wrong with him?

01:01:53.580 Was he just often injured?

01:01:56.020 Injuries.

01:01:56.960 I don't know how mentally tough he was.

01:01:59.500 I think he had other ulterior motives as far as maybe I think he was already looking forward to maybe, you know, he had a girlfriend back home.

01:02:07.900 I think he was homesick.

01:02:09.420 I think he thought it was maybe beneath him.

01:02:11.580 He was a great kid.

01:02:12.360 I think great-hearted kid.

01:02:13.540 Yeah, he seemed like he was a great heart.

01:02:14.760 Good parents, good parents, man.

01:02:16.320 Raised him right.

01:02:17.020 I just think he was there, and it was out of his league, and he was just like, ah.

01:02:22.260 And, you know, I brought in some good backup guys.

01:02:25.540 One was a true freshman that I didn't want to play this year.

01:02:28.880 Had to.

01:02:30.580 Was it Chase?

01:02:31.600 No.

01:02:31.900 No, it was a kid named A.J. Wright, the third guy.

01:02:34.360 Oh, yeah, with the long hair.

01:02:35.360 Tall, tall, 6'6".

01:02:36.040 Dude, way too much hair on that kid.

01:02:37.400 Yeah.

01:02:38.380 Jesus, bro.

01:02:39.200 The hair-to-human-body ratio, it's a very unique amount.

01:02:45.700 That's what I'll say.

01:02:48.820 He's going to be special.

01:02:50.460 And didn't want to throw him in the fire like that fast.

01:02:53.340 So, you know, the backup comes in that first game and rips it.

01:02:56.160 Throws for like 300 yards, three touchdowns, and shit.

01:02:58.920 So we start him the next game, and he looks like shit.

01:03:01.620 Yeah.

01:03:02.100 And we're down 35-nut-and-a-half.

01:03:03.600 We come back, storming back, should have won the game.

01:03:05.920 Put in A.J.

01:03:06.600 He rips it, come back.

01:03:08.840 Then he gets torrented at Lane Brum at practice.

01:03:11.520 Then we go back to Chase.

01:03:13.320 And you guys were running for that all season, it looked like.

01:03:15.240 And then we're back to it.

01:03:16.140 Then we were trying to play a fourth quarterback.

01:03:17.800 So people don't realize, yeah, you're 2-and-8 too.

01:03:19.580 But so you know, we had 22 offensive line change-ups,

01:03:22.860 meaning there's so many injuries.

01:03:24.500 We've had to swap.

01:03:25.260 Left tackle had to play right.

01:03:26.320 Center had to play guard.

01:03:27.480 We had so many injuries.

01:03:28.880 Why so many injuries?

01:03:30.380 Just one of those deals.

01:03:31.680 One of the things is we're the only team in the league

01:03:33.800 that didn't have a turf field.

01:03:34.640 So when I got that done and got that donated and got that going,

01:03:38.440 we were still practicing the whole entire season on a basically rock field.

01:03:43.140 And we had, just so you know,

01:03:44.060 we had six ACL blowouts during the season at practice.

01:03:47.800 We just didn't have the facilities.

01:03:49.360 People don't realize.

01:03:50.620 Somebody should open up an ACL factor around the corner, dude.

01:03:53.280 People didn't know what we've dealt with, man.

01:03:54.800 Broken ankles.

01:03:55.920 You don't understand.

01:03:56.920 Then we get to turf field for the last game of the season.

01:03:59.900 Like, fuck, it's a little late.

01:04:01.140 So that's why I was looking forward to this year because we had all the new things.

01:04:05.400 Yeah, to get to play with all the new toys.

01:04:07.540 Malik, you guys brought Malik back in.

01:04:09.500 Was it just out of necessity, really?

01:04:11.140 No, it was to save his life.

01:04:12.980 So I brought him back.

01:04:14.560 I've known the kid a long time since we shared the same mentor.

01:04:17.860 My junior college head coach was also his quarterback coach.

01:04:22.020 And so I've known him a long time since he was a little kid.

01:04:24.280 His dad.

01:04:24.900 And, you know, he didn't get anything because of the show probably, the bad light.

01:04:30.080 And then we brought him back.

01:04:32.240 And I told him, I said, listen, you'll be a practice squad quarterback.

01:04:35.280 Yeah.

01:04:35.640 And I said, right now, because this wasn't your team,

01:04:38.040 it's not the talent set that's built around you.

01:04:40.280 The first year's talent was about around him.

01:04:42.400 We could play action, RPO.

01:04:44.700 Right.

01:04:45.460 Hand the football off.

01:04:46.760 He could throw it to great wide receivers.

01:04:48.660 He had the best O-line in the country.

01:04:50.780 And this team wasn't built that way.

01:04:52.340 We're going to run more option with Jay, spread it out, be more, play faster,

01:04:59.040 do those things.

01:04:59.960 When you brought him back in, what did you tell him?

01:05:01.720 Did you reach out to him?

01:05:02.120 That's what I told him.

01:05:02.860 After the season started?

01:05:04.020 No, you know, I was done.

01:05:05.900 He graduated.

01:05:07.000 We were trying to get him a scholarship.

01:05:08.580 He had three years to play Division I.

01:05:10.680 So we were trying to get him marketed, get him out of there.

01:05:12.400 A lot of people didn't want to mess with him.

01:05:15.260 So I said, listen, I told my players and coaches, I said, listen,

01:05:19.160 he can't come back and do anything.

01:05:21.280 He can't shit on himself or he's done.

01:05:22.920 He'll never play again.

01:05:24.020 He came back and did a great job for us, like practice squad.

01:05:26.460 He did a hell of a job at practice for our defense.

01:05:29.340 He did all those things.

01:05:31.400 But so out of necessity, he had to play.

01:05:33.500 And we were down to nobody.

01:05:34.900 And he ripped it against Garden City, and we should have won the game.

01:05:37.860 Probably should have threw the ball every down.

01:05:39.140 He would have probably threw for 1,000 yards.

01:05:40.560 I don't know.

01:05:41.120 He's that good.

01:05:41.680 Yeah.

01:05:42.040 But the next game, we start him.

01:05:46.940 We get blown out because it wasn't him.

01:05:48.860 It was the team.

01:05:50.280 And his attitude went to shit then?

01:05:52.060 Not really.

01:05:52.920 It was just a matter of this isn't – I'm already losing the team now.

01:05:57.340 I'm losing the team.

01:05:58.720 And Malik wasn't here in the beginning.

01:06:00.060 He wasn't here all spring battling in the snow and fighting in weight room

01:06:04.920 and running.

01:06:05.940 And I just felt it wasn't fair to the kids.

01:06:08.440 And so the truth of the matter is I cut – I told him.

01:06:11.300 I said, listen, man, no hard feelings.

01:06:12.700 You know the deal.

01:06:13.860 This ain't for you.

01:06:14.540 This ain't your team.

01:06:15.380 This team's not built around your skill set.

01:06:18.880 And I'm losing the team.

01:06:20.600 And he's like, Coach, I get it.

01:06:21.660 Now, that's a simple conversation.

01:06:23.260 He continued to practice with us.

01:06:25.060 And people don't – they didn't show really that.

01:06:27.400 And so now he's starting in Nevada.

01:06:29.600 He got named the starter today.

01:06:30.680 Nice.

01:06:31.040 Really?

01:06:31.460 Yeah.

01:06:31.800 Wow.

01:06:32.440 That's pretty cool.

01:06:33.080 Do you feel good about that?

01:06:34.080 Yeah.

01:06:34.420 He'll rip it, man.

01:06:35.560 They throw the ball all over the place.

01:06:36.740 He'll dominate that league.

01:06:37.980 Yeah.

01:06:38.520 He'll get drafted if he stays the course.

01:06:42.500 Now, what about they had another kid on the show, Adrian?

01:06:47.060 No, the kid, he's like – he was defensive guy number six.

01:06:52.260 Kalen Davis.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:53.260 It seemed like he couldn't even write or anything.

01:06:55.580 Kalen, man.

01:06:56.940 But he's a huge personality.

01:06:58.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:59.140 Extremely fun to watch.

01:07:00.180 Fun to be around.

01:07:00.960 Great kid.

01:07:01.100 Greatest kid.

01:07:01.420 Yes.

01:07:02.180 His sister died on him.

01:07:03.460 His brother died on him during the time at my place.

01:07:06.600 And so I kept him from leaving because I knew if he went back home, he would be –

01:07:10.160 Yeah, it wouldn't be good.

01:07:10.740 Nothing good.

01:07:11.640 And I said, listen, man, you're going to save your mom's life eventually.

01:07:14.520 You have to graduate and get this done.

01:07:16.060 And he's struggling in class, obviously, and got him graduated, man.

01:07:20.120 He's at Arkansas State now, and he'll have a chance to prolong his career and make some

01:07:25.140 money and maybe help his mom out, man.

01:07:26.740 They come from a bad, poor background.

01:07:28.620 Is he a good player?

01:07:29.460 Louisiana.

01:07:29.860 Yeah, a good player, man.

01:07:31.280 He's a tweener, and that's why he probably didn't go big time.

01:07:33.720 Ah.

01:07:34.280 He's a tweener.

01:07:34.960 We don't know if he's an outside linebacker or a DN.

01:07:37.480 That's kind of great now, though.

01:07:38.560 Yeah.

01:07:38.960 So Arizona, Dallas Schools came in on him late, and he's like, man, I'm going to go to Arkansas

01:07:42.920 State.

01:07:43.440 He's from Louisiana?

01:07:44.520 Louisiana, yep.

01:07:45.100 Oh, wow.

01:07:45.880 So is that.

01:07:46.340 We had a lot of Louisiana kids.

01:07:47.460 Yeah.

01:07:47.680 Yeah.

01:07:48.620 We got some other video questions that came in.

01:07:50.640 Yeah, and I had a question about Malik's dad.

01:07:53.300 They interviewed him a lot in season three.

01:07:55.980 Did you have a relationship with him?

01:07:57.500 Because to me, it seemed like he just showed up in high school when Malik started getting

01:08:02.440 some recognition.

01:08:04.160 He seemed like a well-spoken dude, but I didn't trust him.

01:08:07.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:07.900 No, I've known him.

01:08:08.600 I've known him a long time.

01:08:09.740 Like I said, we share the same mentor, me and Malik, and I've known his dad, Marcel, a long

01:08:14.700 time.

01:08:15.100 So yeah, he was around.

01:08:17.160 You know what I mean?

01:08:17.500 Him and his mom got a divorce, I believe, and they were kind of back and forth.

01:08:20.060 So that always makes it tougher that people don't get to see.

01:08:22.900 So they had their own personal deals that probably were struggling.

01:08:25.700 It was probably hard for him to be around Malik.

01:08:27.260 So I don't know the whole, in totality, that whole deal, family-wise, but nah, he came

01:08:34.700 to every game at Independence.

01:08:36.160 He flew in every game.

01:08:37.420 Do a lot of parents start to mill around whenever the kids are doing well?

01:08:40.660 Do you see a lot of that?

01:08:41.720 Nah, I didn't allow it.

01:08:43.040 I didn't allow it.

01:08:44.060 It was a different deal because he was coming from California and flew in every week.

01:08:48.220 You wouldn't have that from normal parents coming in every game to a junior college game.

01:08:51.640 And it was on YouTube, so kids would watch, their parents would watch it from home or

01:08:55.160 whatever.

01:08:55.400 We had so many kids from so many places.

01:08:57.040 Yeah.

01:08:57.420 But he would come to every game, and I let him be on the sideline during the game.

01:09:00.680 Not on the side, but back.

01:09:01.820 But he was there, and he supported him.

01:09:03.700 He spurred the hell out of him the whole time that he was there with me.

01:09:06.320 And so it was a good deal.

01:09:07.760 But now, I'm sure he'll be at Nevada games.

01:09:10.300 You seem like a guy that has a chip on his shoulder, which I think is, if you want to

01:09:15.760 be a guy who survives and achieves things in this world, it can often be great.

01:09:19.060 I feel like a lot of my life I've been that way.

01:09:21.160 Where do you think some of that comes from for you?

01:09:23.900 Just being told I couldn't do it forever.

01:09:28.100 There's none greater pleasure in life, man, than doing something that was told that you

01:09:31.640 cannot do.

01:09:33.800 I wasn't supposed to take an independent job.

01:09:35.640 You can't do nothing there.

01:09:36.680 You're not going to win.

01:09:37.240 They haven't sent a kid to be one in five years, and they haven't won a game in ten.

01:09:40.240 But what about when you were young, I mean, though?

01:09:42.360 And that stems back from, you know, he's the only white boy in Compton.

01:09:46.220 You ain't going to survive.

01:09:47.420 Oh, yeah.

01:09:47.880 Those type of things.

01:09:48.680 Oh, I'd have shot you if I'd do.

01:09:49.940 Yeah.

01:09:50.520 So, you know.

01:09:51.300 You know?

01:09:51.680 Because we'd have been competition.

01:09:53.380 You know what I'm saying?

01:09:54.120 No doubt.

01:09:54.760 No doubt.

01:09:55.280 You'd have to shave your head, though.

01:09:56.200 But, yeah.

01:09:57.240 But, you know, I was raised by a big-time, you know, guy in the drug business.

01:10:02.540 You know what I mean?

01:10:03.020 And I was raised by guys like that and street guys, and I could have easily been in the dope

01:10:07.140 game.

01:10:07.540 But I was like, nah, I'm going to be a leader, not a follower.

01:10:09.900 That's my thing, teaching these kids.

01:10:11.320 Don't go left.

01:10:12.520 Go right at the stop sign.

01:10:14.340 Because guys will follow you, regardless.

01:10:17.220 And so I preached that.

01:10:18.340 So, you know, I was like, I ain't going to be a leader.

01:10:20.580 I ain't going to smoke weed and sell dope.

01:10:22.400 I'm going to play sports and try to affect some young men's lives.

01:10:26.380 And so that's what I chose to do.

01:10:29.420 Back to the thought about, like, as the second season comes on, they got to have some ladies

01:10:35.560 hitting you up, man.

01:10:36.940 Yeah, they did, man.

01:10:37.800 It was crazy, man.

01:10:38.800 Did you get out to Tulsa and meet some ladies?

01:10:40.580 What happened to somebody's bird?

01:10:41.980 I didn't meet anyone, man.

01:10:43.240 Come on, man.

01:10:43.980 I'm telling you.

01:10:44.840 Hey, I had no time, man.

01:10:46.700 Shit, you know.

01:10:47.340 You got to make a little time, baby.

01:10:49.000 You know, it's crazy.

01:10:51.220 People that know coaching, you're there coaching the season, obviously.

01:10:56.360 It's 24-7.

01:10:57.620 As soon as the season ends, man, you're taking your staff, you're splitting it up, and you've

01:11:01.440 created this recruiting database, and you've created this plan.

01:11:05.040 Now, we're eight to ten guys on the road from the end of the season till Christmas break.

01:11:11.160 And we're everywhere in the country.

01:11:13.600 And so, shit, I'm everywhere, man, just trying to get the new batch of kids.

01:11:18.600 Right.

01:11:18.900 So, yeah, it never ends.

01:11:19.840 Never ends.

01:11:20.320 Football is 24-7.

01:11:21.320 But still, dude, you're a human guy with a couple nuts on you.

01:11:23.340 No, no doubt.

01:11:23.860 You got to at some point.

01:11:24.980 No doubt.

01:11:25.200 One in one.

01:11:26.240 Yeah, I was flying a man, man, here and there.

01:11:28.000 There, now we're talking.

01:11:28.940 Not now more.

01:11:29.580 I can't, but I did that.

01:11:30.680 Yeah.

01:11:30.980 You know.

01:11:31.560 And that might have to be startling, dude, because, look, I've done it, bro.

01:11:33.980 You fly somebody in, and next thing you know, like, dude, this one girl I met one

01:11:37.460 time had a real small head, right?

01:11:39.000 And you can't tell him photos and stuff.

01:11:40.940 Dude, I'm talking about, bro, you couldn't even legally bowl with it.

01:11:44.120 You know, it was small.

01:11:44.960 It was too little.

01:11:45.880 Holy shit.

01:11:46.880 And you can't tell him photos, and then I'm hanging out with somebody that got that,

01:11:50.020 you know, I'm worried her head might, you know, something, you know, dangerous could

01:11:53.360 happen.

01:11:53.980 Snap off?

01:11:54.240 Yeah, but it's just dangerous.

01:11:55.440 You can't do that online shit, man.

01:11:56.860 That shit's dangerous, man.

01:11:57.860 It's dangerous, bro.

01:11:58.500 What do they call it?

01:11:59.580 Catfish or something?

01:12:00.220 Oh, yeah.

01:12:00.440 Catfish.

01:12:00.480 I just learned what that shit was.

01:12:01.500 I didn't know what that shit was.

01:12:02.500 Yeah.

01:12:02.740 I would have been damned if I had did that, and somebody showed up fucking 500 pounds.

01:12:07.000 I would have fucking, I would have lost my shit, man.

01:12:09.660 Or you'd have put them on the offensive line, but that's how it is.

01:12:12.560 D-line.

01:12:13.240 D-line.

01:12:13.740 They can't move very well.

01:12:14.720 You put on D-line.

01:12:16.560 Let's take another call.

01:12:17.700 We had so many submissions.

01:12:21.020 You got a question?

01:12:21.920 Yeah, I actually have a Patreon question from Kyle Savage, and he wants to know, I know you

01:12:26.340 just briefly touched on it, but what do you think you would do if you weren't a coach

01:12:29.620 or involved in football?

01:12:30.860 Like, what do you think?

01:12:31.680 What would I do?

01:12:33.580 I don't know, man.

01:12:34.740 Shit.

01:12:34.980 You know, I'm a great recruiter, and that's what my name, I started my name, built on

01:12:39.340 recruiting, but selling cars and shit, that ain't me, though, man.

01:12:44.280 Even though everybody says, oh, you could be a salesman, great salesman, I have no desire,

01:12:49.700 man.

01:12:49.720 I think you're, no, I was just saying, you're stable of players.

01:12:53.040 It's like a used car lot.

01:12:54.400 No doubt.

01:12:54.900 No doubt.

01:12:55.280 No, but people have told me before, like, you can sell a car.

01:12:57.620 You can sell ice to an Eskimo, man.

01:12:59.040 Why don't you just sell cars?

01:13:00.200 And I'm like, that ain't my thing.

01:13:01.680 Probably because they don't help nobody, in my opinion.

01:13:03.820 You know what I mean?

01:13:04.300 Right.

01:13:04.560 So you do have a feeling, really, that you want to, you do, you feel effective when you

01:13:08.720 were able to help people?

01:13:09.880 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:13:10.420 That's what allows me to sleep at night, man.

01:13:11.720 Not wins and losses.

01:13:12.860 You know what I mean?

01:13:13.300 Nobody gives shit.

01:13:14.240 And you know what?

01:13:14.760 I've told people.

01:13:15.580 Because the show doesn't, yeah, I mean, and I know that you haven't seen it, but the show

01:13:19.340 doesn't show that, it doesn't have that element of you.

01:13:22.640 I know.

01:13:23.640 That's what I'm hearing.

01:13:24.360 It's got more like this Huey P. Long kind of, like, guy, which is an awesome character, man.

01:13:28.440 Trust me, it's also a character I think we need out in the world, like, that a character

01:13:32.380 is still allowed to have, like, some sort of manly attributes and tell everybody to go

01:13:36.540 fuck themselves if he wants to, you know?

01:13:38.460 No question.

01:13:38.780 It's like, especially in L.A., they're trying to outlaw, you know?

01:13:41.520 They're going to take our balls soon, bro, you know?

01:13:44.020 I think there's some great American words that they didn't like me to say, man.

01:13:47.560 I think motherfuckers, like, probably the best one.

01:13:49.900 Oh, dude, they said it on some of the boats.

01:13:51.500 If you listen, they got some, you know, transcripts from the Mayflower.

01:13:54.580 A lot of people are like, yeah, motherfucker, we going to America, bro.

01:13:57.380 Yeah, Columbus, huh?

01:13:59.420 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:14:00.600 Hey, shit, I don't know, man.

01:14:02.240 I think there's some words out there that I think kids resonate with better.

01:14:05.820 Yeah.

01:14:06.260 They don't, I couldn't, you think I could whisper sweet nothings to Bobby Bruce?

01:14:09.540 Son, please do right.

01:14:11.500 Fucking kidding me?

01:14:12.520 Mom calls him every fucking motherfucker in the book.

01:14:15.320 So, like, you know, they don't, people in my, they don't know what being in my shoes

01:14:20.440 entails.

01:14:21.220 They don't know where these kids came from and what I have to deal with.

01:14:24.400 And those kids don't know those words.

01:14:26.120 And like you said, a lot of them come from their third grade reading level, their third

01:14:30.200 grade reading level, man.

01:14:31.300 And like I said, they ain't built on intellect.

01:14:33.400 If you know how to play the game, you might sign an NFL paycheck regardless.

01:14:36.820 22 of my NFL guys weren't fucking scholars, let me just tell you.

01:14:39.960 Yeah.

01:14:40.320 But they're making millions of dollars.

01:14:42.440 Yeah.

01:14:42.760 And it's an experience-based life I think we live.

01:14:45.380 It's not, it's not built on intellect.

01:14:47.300 I think it's built on hands-on experience out there and get your, get your, get your hands

01:14:52.800 dirty, man, and figure it out.

01:14:54.720 And I don't know if a piece of paper from a college really means that much.

01:14:59.840 It definitely ain't fucking, you ain't making the money back to pay it off.

01:15:02.780 You ain't making more money than the college degree cost.

01:15:05.520 Well, you're going to work, have you, you're going to work, yeah, over time you're going

01:15:07.760 to spend 10 years of your working life paying it off for sure.

01:15:10.260 Biggest scam in the country, man.

01:15:12.180 But, but yeah, it's interesting because at that level then you're only, the only thing

01:15:15.620 you can do, you're not a parent to these guys.

01:15:18.140 I mean, you can try to be a, like, you know, you can try to be a shoulder here and there.

01:15:21.240 You can try to be a role model, but this, the, the scope of time that you have with

01:15:24.980 them, the fact that they know, everybody knows this is just a curve in the river.

01:15:30.520 We're trying to get you back upstream.

01:15:32.840 There's no bones about any of that, is there?

01:15:35.120 No, not at all.

01:15:36.580 I don't, I don't.

01:15:37.540 Like I said, I told people, people are all saying, we won the thing last year.

01:15:41.500 Yes.

01:15:41.700 And everybody I saw in public, not one person said, damn coach, you're a hell of a coach,

01:15:45.720 you fucking won, da, da, da.

01:15:47.380 So everybody this year was like, man, you're going to get bashed for doing two and eight.

01:15:49.680 I said, no, I'm not.

01:15:50.360 Nobody gives a fuck about that, watching that part on the show.

01:15:52.940 I have not yet been told, you're shitty, you were in two and eight.

01:15:55.600 Nobody gives a fuck.

01:15:56.340 They were like, damn, you're a crazy motherfucker, coach, we love you.

01:15:58.560 Yeah.

01:15:59.120 And that's all I'm told.

01:16:00.560 Nobody cares about wins and losses and that shit.

01:16:02.740 People, people think that, that's not really what it's about.

01:16:05.780 Now, at the, in the SEC, it's wins and losses.

01:16:10.100 Right.

01:16:10.920 NFL, it's wins and losses.

01:16:12.320 Right.

01:16:12.780 You're not molding your boys into men and making them.

01:16:15.220 Yeah, you guys are sous chefs down there.

01:16:16.520 You guys are like prep, not, you know, you're chefs, but you're like prep cooks.

01:16:19.480 You're fucking getting these ingredients ready.

01:16:21.000 We're gutting them and cutting them and skinning them and all that shit.

01:16:24.440 All you guys, you hunters fuckers do.

01:16:26.040 Would you, yeah, definitely.

01:16:28.740 Would you take a, would you take a job at a different level, you think?

01:16:32.940 You know, I would, uh, if it, if it ever was that, was that time, you know what I mean?

01:16:37.900 I, I've had offers way back and I, not as a coach, but like an off the field role and

01:16:42.420 stuff like that.

01:16:43.300 I don't know if I regret it or not.

01:16:45.180 Um, maybe I should have took it.

01:16:47.260 You could be the fucking Clint Eastwood of recruiting, man.

01:16:48.600 Yeah.

01:16:48.980 See, I did that, man.

01:16:50.200 I, I, I think everybody knows that, but they're scared, man.

01:16:53.420 You got to understand.

01:16:54.160 I was told by a great man one time, like, you know why you won't go D1?

01:16:57.360 I'm like, what's, what's up?

01:16:58.920 Uh, well, first you're rough around the edges too.

01:17:01.120 Um, what's going to happen when you leave independence?

01:17:05.620 Where are they getting the kids?

01:17:06.840 What's going to happen when you leave Compton College?

01:17:08.760 Where are they getting the players from?

01:17:10.100 Cause I had the best players.

01:17:11.700 And so those guys had to get those guys from somebody.

01:17:14.560 So if I was on their level, kids disappear.

01:17:17.680 And so never looked at it that way and, uh, kind of stuck with me.

01:17:21.360 And I was like, fuck, I'm start charging these fuckers then.

01:17:23.720 Yeah.

01:17:24.180 Should have.

01:17:25.340 I would love to see a TV show of him coaching peewee football.

01:17:28.660 Maybe.

01:17:29.120 Oh shit.

01:17:29.280 I don't know if I could do that one.

01:17:30.060 Get to them before they're corrupted and entitled.

01:17:32.360 Yeah, I hear you.

01:17:33.180 But it, but shit, I'd be fucking in jail, bro.

01:17:35.620 Little slap dicks.

01:17:36.820 The parents and everybody fucked.

01:17:38.640 Oh, fuck them, bro.

01:17:39.340 Every, the, the, the, the Trump administration would have me in jail, man.

01:17:43.260 Dude, the Trump administration would hire you, I think, bro.

01:17:45.420 Oh, well, fuck, maybe.

01:17:46.420 I don't know.

01:17:46.880 I think, look, man, I think you'd do.

01:17:48.340 I need somebody in my corner, man.

01:17:49.360 You'd do, you'd do great, man.

01:17:50.760 I think you have so, I think you have a lot of people.

01:17:53.620 Uh, I think you have a lot of people in your corner, man.

01:17:56.580 I think it's just nice to hear somebody fucking yell, fuck, sometimes, you know?

01:18:00.100 Yeah, I appreciate it, man.

01:18:01.360 I wish they, you could put my payroll then.

01:18:04.360 If, if you could go back, uh, knowing everything you know now, do you think you still would have

01:18:09.060 done the show, or?

01:18:11.360 Yeah, because, in my opinion, who am I, man, to take away, uh, young men and a platform

01:18:19.640 for, an opportunity from these youngsters.

01:18:21.840 So, like, the coaches, 17 coaches got jobs.

01:18:24.900 You know, you wouldn't ever know who Caelan Davis is.

01:18:27.160 Right.

01:18:27.620 Or, or, uh, even my two white fucking kids, Chance Main and Cary Buckmaster, they highlighted

01:18:32.120 on the show.

01:18:32.760 Oh, yeah.

01:18:33.220 Um, you know, they got my tokens in there.

01:18:35.360 Oh, yeah.

01:18:35.680 But, you know, they, they did that.

01:18:36.860 And, uh, nobody would know who they are.

01:18:38.360 Cary Buckmaster lived a harder life than most fucking any inner city black kid I ever met.

01:18:41.960 The kid with the, uh, big hair?

01:18:43.380 From Arizona, yeah.

01:18:44.220 Yeah.

01:18:44.800 So, um, you know, or from Nevada, I mean.

01:18:47.440 So, you know, he, uh, fuck, he lived in a car, man.

01:18:50.060 Drove up here with fucking tuna fish sandwich.

01:18:51.760 Drove across the country to Independence, man.

01:18:53.780 And, and, and, and his time there, he busted his ass for me and, and, uh, was a very loyal

01:18:58.380 kid.

01:18:58.740 And, uh, you know, he was an emotional rollercoaster, man, but they all are.

01:19:02.140 And that's my job to try to mold them and help them.

01:19:04.700 And so, uh, hopefully he figures it out and ends up becoming a, uh, uh, you know, has a

01:19:09.660 family and does well in life.

01:19:11.420 You know what I mean?

01:19:11.820 But, but nobody would know those guys and nobody would, and probably 10 of the 17 coaches wouldn't

01:19:16.240 have got those jobs if they weren't on the show.

01:19:17.840 So I don't regret the show.

01:19:19.040 I just, um, maybe I should have did more research on how they were going to depict it.

01:19:23.220 Yeah.

01:19:23.620 But besides that, nah, you know, I got those guys an opportunity for, you know, rest of their

01:19:28.700 life to be known.

01:19:29.380 So, uh, let's take his question right here.

01:19:33.140 Coach Brown, I just wanted to see what your new opinion was on the new caddy lineup.

01:19:38.220 We got the new CT5.

01:19:40.720 We got the new XDS.

01:19:43.560 Uh, CT5 looks like it's got that supercharged V8 in it.

01:19:47.120 So I wanted to know what your opinion was and what your plan is for the new year.

01:19:51.460 Now, gang, gang, Brown crown.

01:19:55.420 Gang, bro.

01:19:56.080 I don't know, man.

01:19:57.980 I'm a, uh, I got the, I got the V sport out there in the parking lot, man.

01:20:01.620 I'm a, I'm a speed guy.

01:20:03.100 You know what I mean?

01:20:03.980 So probably the, probably the CT he was talking about, I guess.

01:20:07.540 So yeah, I'm a speed guy, man.

01:20:09.180 But I've had the, I got the big body too.

01:20:10.820 So I like to get into the bill.

01:20:12.860 Yeah.

01:20:13.300 And lay back, dude.

01:20:14.200 My dad, sunroof and my dad bought a Cutlass off a couple of brothers that lived down the

01:20:18.160 street from us when I was old, when I was a kid.

01:20:20.580 Right.

01:20:20.740 And my dad was old.

01:20:21.420 My dad was 70 when I was born.

01:20:22.600 He was an old man.

01:20:23.240 Oh, damn.

01:20:23.680 So he would drive us around town in this and it had these speakers in it.

01:20:27.360 My dad couldn't even fucking hear.

01:20:28.420 Right.

01:20:28.700 So bro, we'd be rolling with 22 just listening to NPR, Paul Harvey all the time.

01:20:33.780 Oh, shit.

01:20:34.440 Paul Harvey.

01:20:36.920 Banging, huh?

01:20:37.520 Good day.

01:20:38.640 Yeah, bro.

01:20:39.360 Fucking banging, bro.

01:20:40.480 And one of them had Chinese food in it, bro.

01:20:42.200 One of the things was rattled out.

01:20:43.940 What was the shit called back?

01:20:44.960 Was it donks?

01:20:45.680 Or what are they called back down there?

01:20:47.140 They put the big ass rims on a fucking Cutlass?

01:20:49.520 I don't know.

01:20:50.200 People just called them, I think, spinners, 22s.

01:20:52.340 I don't know what people called them back then.

01:20:53.880 No, you weren't born when spinners were around.

01:20:55.740 Fuck you.

01:20:56.040 No, I was before.

01:20:57.400 That was probably when I was like 16 or something.

01:20:59.160 Spinners.

01:20:59.680 You know, Latrell, Spreewells or whatever.

01:21:01.480 That's when they started.

01:21:02.260 Those were the spinners.

01:21:03.100 How old are you?

01:21:03.980 22s, I think, was the only thing I heard.

01:21:05.180 I'm 39.

01:21:06.040 Are you?

01:21:06.440 Yeah.

01:21:06.680 Okay, you're younger than me.

01:21:07.760 Some people said, yeah, maybe.

01:21:09.560 I don't know if they fucking had rims then.

01:21:11.480 Nah.

01:21:11.760 White wall.

01:21:12.300 I remember some people would paint the white walls.

01:21:13.880 That was it, dude.

01:21:14.980 I mean, everybody.

01:21:16.080 The only nicest thing you could have us was a 5.0 Mustang.

01:21:18.700 No, that was big time.

01:21:19.680 Yeah, that thing was big, bro.

01:21:20.980 A convertible, this one dude floored at one time, and these two fucking real pasty bitches

01:21:25.260 fell right off the back, dude.

01:21:26.480 They were sitting on the back like they were in a parade, but they weren't in a parade.

01:21:29.240 And they fucking rolled right off the back, bro.

01:21:31.380 They got cherry marks on their elbows.

01:21:34.000 It's like rug burn, man.

01:21:36.360 Jason, bro, I'm trying to think of a neat job that I would like to see you doing, man.

01:21:40.020 I don't know, man.

01:21:40.940 You might be one of the last ones like you, bro.

01:21:43.300 Yeah, I know.

01:21:43.920 That's what I'm hearing, man.

01:21:44.920 Somebody made me.

01:21:45.780 I don't know.

01:21:46.220 We'll see what happens after this, man.

01:21:47.740 I mean, shit.

01:21:48.500 It's a bestseller book, man.

01:21:49.520 And so, you know, like Tony Dungy went on Twitter and was like basically saying, telling

01:21:55.560 people, you know, I played for coaches that didn't coach like Coach Brown and didn't need

01:22:00.820 to cuss and stuff.

01:22:01.860 Oh, yeah.

01:22:02.320 Tony Dungy seems a little fucking soft, though.

01:22:04.460 My rebuttal is like you weren't in junior college, and those guys were coaching junior

01:22:08.560 college kids.

01:22:09.320 So it's a little different.

01:22:11.240 Yeah, I can only imagine, man.

01:22:12.480 It's already easy enough for it.

01:22:13.980 It's already these players are already treated like royalty at some of these universities.

01:22:19.220 They're already given a lot of second, third, fourth, fifth chances.

01:22:22.400 But the moral of that story I was telling you is, that book's the bestseller.

01:22:25.800 Tony Dungy's isn't.

01:22:27.080 Dang, bro.

01:22:29.080 I respect it.

01:22:30.100 I better go with that.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.460 I'm ahead of Tom Brady, too, if I can believe that or not.

01:22:34.460 And his book sales, I don't know if I believe that.

01:22:36.260 Yeah, Google it.

01:22:37.100 Really?

01:22:38.120 Fuck, I was just told by my publisher.

01:22:39.680 I was the number one book.

01:22:40.480 I hope so.

01:22:41.040 She ain't lying.

01:22:41.660 I'm a fire ass.

01:22:42.360 Look, I'm ready to read it.

01:22:43.780 They had a coach that gave you a book, the Ego book.

01:22:46.180 Read my quote in there, man.

01:22:47.280 Is it from his?

01:22:47.860 No, I wrote you a quote in there.

01:22:50.120 Let me see.

01:22:50.640 Front page, man.

01:22:51.700 Dio, I appreciate the support and love.

01:22:53.080 Much respect for what you do.

01:22:53.980 Gang, gang.

01:22:54.540 My best, Coach Brown.

01:22:56.040 W-I-N, bro.

01:22:57.440 Win, man.

01:22:57.920 You know what that means?

01:22:59.380 What's important now?

01:23:01.220 That's my thing.

01:23:02.720 There's a chapter in there.

01:23:03.920 Read it up.

01:23:04.460 I appreciate this.

01:23:05.160 I will.

01:23:06.480 Coach Brown, thank you so much for being here with us, man.

01:23:08.240 I appreciate you, man.

01:23:08.900 I appreciate it.

01:23:09.260 Anytime, man.

01:23:09.840 Do it again.

01:23:10.560 I really appreciate it, man.

01:23:11.520 I wish you the best of luck.

01:23:12.780 Definitely.

01:23:13.680 Yeah.

01:23:15.640 Definitely.

01:23:16.060 Appreciate you guys.

01:23:16.700 Now, I'm just falling on the breeze.

01:23:20.140 And I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

01:23:23.100 I must be cornerstone.

01:23:28.340 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind.

01:23:33.080 And I found I can feel it in my bones.

01:23:36.520 But it's going to take a little time for me to set that parking brake and let myself unwind.

01:23:50.520 Shine that light on me.

01:23:53.400 I'll sit and tell you my stories.

01:23:58.840 Shine on me.

01:24:04.160 And I will find a song.

01:24:08.720 I will sing it just for you.

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Last Chance U's Coach Jason Brown

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