This Past Weekend with Theo Von - Maurice Clarett, Cory Gregory, and John Fosco ｜ This Past Weekend #140

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00:00:05.880 He's a college football superhero and an embodiment of perseverance.

00:00:11.860 He's one-third of the Business and Biceps podcast squad, and they will be joining us later.

00:00:18.780 It is Maurice Claret.

00:00:30.000 How long have you been out here?

00:00:35.740 I've been out here about 14 years, I guess.

00:00:38.540 14 years would it be back in 2004?

00:00:41.540 Yeah, actually, I guess maybe about 2002 or 2003.

00:00:44.120 And when were you here? You lived in Los Angeles.

00:00:46.180 Yeah, January 2004.

00:00:47.220 Yeah.

00:00:47.760 January, February 2004, yeah.

00:00:48.960 Yeah.

00:00:49.540 And was that fun?

00:00:50.560 Was that a fun time in your life, or what was that like, being out here?

00:00:53.920 Beautiful.

00:00:54.760 Beautiful.

00:00:55.100 So just for my listeners, so if we could, could you kind of, if you could, I know this might be

00:00:59.460 absolutely impossible.

00:01:01.620 Maurice Claret, could you sum up, like, kind of, like, football and some of the Ohio State

00:01:08.780 stuff, maybe in, like, you know, about two or three minutes, or whatever you think you can?

00:01:12.760 Yeah, for people who may not be familiar, well, you know, I came out just as a highly touted

00:01:17.380 recruit from Runner Nation.

00:01:19.780 Went to Ohio State, and the first time in history started as a running back for Ohio State.

00:01:26.220 Went out and won a national championship within my first year.

00:01:30.920 Yeah.

00:01:31.220 A huge amount of success from a personal level and from a, you know, obviously a career level.

00:01:36.300 And in the process of doing that, I always put it in context.

00:01:39.420 I got to remember that LeBron is about a year younger than me.

00:01:42.120 Oh, wow.

00:01:42.700 Yeah.

00:01:42.880 So around that time.

00:01:43.680 Yeah.

00:01:43.940 So LeBron grew up maybe 40 minutes away from me, and this is at the height of LeBron basically

00:01:49.800 going to become LeBron, you know, in high school when he's selling out college stadiums.

00:01:53.840 And at this time, you have, you know, 50 Cent's a new rapper.

00:01:57.240 Jay-Z's fairly new.

00:01:58.260 He had, like, the Blueprint 2 out.

00:02:00.000 And I can just remember after having so much success in watching LeBron have his success,

00:02:04.980 I can remember just me sort of losing focus as a college kid.

00:02:09.320 Oh, I see.

00:02:09.980 So you kind of said, you kind of followed that, like, his path, even though it wasn't your path,

00:02:13.840 maybe.

00:02:14.180 Yes.

00:02:14.540 You know, and I'm speaking, hindsight is 20-20, right?

00:02:17.220 Yeah.

00:02:17.420 So I can remember after being done with the season, and, you know, as an 18-year-old kid,

00:02:21.580 you won everything in high school.

00:02:23.240 Fast forward 13 months later, you won everything in college.

00:02:26.700 All of the adults around, I don't blame this on them because everybody's enjoying the moment.

00:02:31.720 When you're famous or popular or notarized, nobody tells you no.

00:02:35.940 Yeah.

00:02:36.380 Oh, yeah.

00:02:36.800 You get it all.

00:02:38.100 Everybody's just telling you yes.

00:02:39.120 And I can just remember, I can remember when 50 Cent had the In the Club song and it came

00:02:43.240 to a radio.

00:02:43.480 Oh, the best.

00:02:44.320 Still one of the best albums.

00:02:45.420 Still one of the best albums.

00:02:46.660 Period.

00:02:47.000 Yes.

00:02:47.680 And I can just remember, you know, LeBron asking, oh, let's go up to Cleveland State

00:02:51.300 and let's enjoy this.

00:02:52.360 And I remember Nike, Reebok, Adidas, all these guys were chasing him.

00:02:55.880 And I can just remember just enjoying that a bit too much.

00:03:00.180 Yeah.

00:03:00.460 And the reality of it is that I ended up getting suspended from having too many illegal benefits.

00:03:05.000 It wasn't LeBron's fault.

00:03:05.960 Right.

00:03:06.300 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:06.720 But just doing too much.

00:03:08.760 And what ended up happening was, and I always say it, that was probably the most impactful

00:03:12.460 time from an individual standpoint because that was the first time I actually felt like depression.

00:03:17.720 Yeah.

00:03:17.980 You know, never really went through anything from a mental standpoint.

00:03:21.280 Never felt anything adverse from a personal level outside of sports.

00:03:28.080 You know, in sports, if you have a hard time, you can, you know, watch film, you can lift

00:03:32.300 weights, you can get in better conditioning.

00:03:34.020 You can, you know, as a comedian, you can learn how to tell better jokes.

00:03:36.680 But from a personal standpoint, I just didn't know how to process that.

00:03:40.540 That was a tougher thing.

00:03:41.360 Yeah.

00:03:41.620 And that's an age when like the voice inside of your head starts to become like a real

00:03:45.640 voice.

00:03:46.260 I feel like at that point, you can hear it more, you know?

00:03:49.400 And so, you know, uh, obviously I didn't realize that prior to that, uh, from having

00:03:54.160 so much success, there was so much sex, drinking, drugging, but it was done in a celebratory standpoint

00:03:59.920 from a celebratory standpoint, like, you know, I'm celebrating a game or hanging out with

00:04:04.300 the fellas and it switched from, uh, having celebrations to me masking what I really felt

00:04:10.160 because I can't go play the sports.

00:04:11.860 I can't go play the game. 0.98

00:04:12.860 I have no like fucking clue as to what's going on in my life. 0.97

00:04:16.020 And so that's kind of like where, where, where, where life like kind of really met me 0.97

00:04:19.400 at.

00:04:19.660 And that's like a, like a gray space, you know, nobody can kind of navigate out of this

00:04:24.640 and nobody knows what's going on.

00:04:26.620 You know what's going on.

00:04:27.560 You don't want to reveal your feelings.

00:04:28.720 And that's kind of like what really had happened with me.

00:04:30.960 And you probably can.

00:04:31.840 I mean, at that point, like you couldn't trust the media very much.

00:04:35.060 It was like, I'm sure you were probably not scared, but just directionless maybe.

00:04:39.780 I don't know.

00:04:40.520 Yes.

00:04:40.760 So just to put context to it, uh, after I got kicked out of school, uh, there was a

00:04:45.420 two year waiting period before I was allowed to go to the NFL.

00:04:47.900 And at that time, uh, I really thought that the NFL would let me enter the draft because

00:04:51.700 you know, I was big enough, strong enough and everything else.

00:04:54.100 Uh, but when they didn't allow me to enter the draft, I was just kind of like sitting two

00:04:58.260 years away from football.

00:04:59.540 So I ended up going to Vegas to, uh, watch, uh, it was, uh, it was a Roy Jones and Antonio

00:05:03.800 Tarver fight.

00:05:04.640 I go out there and, uh, when I watch him in house of blues and Jim Brown was out there, Jim Brown,

00:05:09.580 hits me up.

00:05:10.120 He says, yo, you know, I remember I helped you out with your, um, uh, your case at Ohio

00:05:14.440 state.

00:05:14.900 Can you please like, you know, get away from that environment?

00:05:17.540 You just don't look like the same individual that I seen, you know, prior to that.

00:05:21.680 And so that was the original reason for me coming out to LA.

00:05:24.240 So when I came to, out to LA,

00:05:25.720 So you took that to heart when Jim Brown said that?

00:05:27.420 Yeah.

00:05:27.580 Because, you know, he had seen me as the, uh, the 19 year old kid who still was wanting

00:05:32.240 to play football and everything like that.

00:05:34.220 And when he seen me at the Antonio Tarver fight, that was probably seven months later,

00:05:38.020 eight months later, different you, different me, you know, I had partied all night, you

00:05:42.240 know, we up to four or five in the morning, you know, you know, you know, you know, that

00:05:44.860 look, you know what I'm saying?

00:05:46.080 I know that look.

00:05:47.120 I started one time I, I used to get, go buy makeup, dude.

00:05:50.080 I'd be so, I never, I never wore makeup in my life, dude.

00:05:52.840 I'd be in, I'd be in a 24 hour CVS at like 5am trying to get yourself together, asking

00:05:58.160 people about bronzer and blush.

00:05:59.900 I'm just trying to look okay for a meeting in the morning.

00:06:03.380 So yeah, I feel you a hundred percent.

00:06:05.720 And so he saw you and he said, uh, he, he kind of just, you know, commented and then

00:06:10.660 you moved to Los Angeles.

00:06:11.860 Yeah.

00:06:12.240 I commented and I moved out here with the whole motivation to come out here and to gather

00:06:16.740 myself.

00:06:17.240 And, uh, when I got out here, what I didn't realize is that, you know, he had, he was in

00:06:21.300 North Carolina or South Carolina, wherever.

00:06:22.700 He was at.

00:06:23.340 And there was a period of time when I was out here by myself waiting for him to come

00:06:26.500 back out.

00:06:27.160 Who, Jim Brown?

00:06:27.700 Jim Brown.

00:06:28.260 Yeah.

00:06:28.460 And so when I got out here, I was like, all right, you know, I'm cool.

00:06:31.500 Uh, I kind of got away from Ohio too, you know, uh, like during the process of me getting

00:06:35.580 away, you know, I got back into the streets, I'm selling dope, I'm selling weed, I'm hustling.

00:06:39.260 Wow.

00:06:39.500 You know what I'm saying?

00:06:39.920 So I was full fledged into the streets and I'm full fledged away from everything sports

00:06:45.480 related.

00:06:46.120 I'm just all the way deep in the hood.

00:06:47.500 Right.

00:06:48.200 I separate myself.

00:06:49.120 I come out here, uh, because throughout that process also, uh, and I was talking to

00:06:53.900 John this morning, I got almost robbed three times.

00:06:56.420 And the last time that I almost get robbed, my mother was in the house, you know, some

00:06:59.620 guys on our bushes, uh, ended up coming outside, you know, we was in the suburbs at the time. 0.99

00:07:04.120 So these guys ran off, you know, but that time I was like, man, I got to get the fuck 0.98

00:07:07.200 out of here, you know, too close to home, too close to home. 0.97

00:07:09.700 And do you think you were in those streets?

00:07:11.080 Like you think you went back into drugs and into like, or into selling that type of environment

00:07:15.020 because there's still a level of, you probably got a, uh, a lot of street cred.

00:07:20.400 Did you?

00:07:21.440 Well, I think, like, was it just for the hustle?

00:07:23.560 Was it just for money?

00:07:24.380 Or do you think there was, because there's a, you know, there's a level you can always have

00:07:28.880 a claim at in the streets, I feel like that you, that's different than, you know, in the,

00:07:34.040 in the world, like in society, like in the streets, if your cloud is a certain level,

00:07:38.460 it's kind of always there.

00:07:40.180 It's in that space.

00:07:41.080 Well, when I look back on it, um, there was a few things that put me in the streets.

00:07:46.020 One, my brother had needed money because he had just got arrested, right?

00:07:49.420 He had needed money for an attorney.

00:07:50.720 The second thing that put me back into the streets is just familiar, familiarity.

00:07:54.800 Yeah.

00:07:54.980 If I can say it right, right.

00:07:55.940 Just to feel your familiarity of how do I take care of myself?

00:07:59.080 And I think there's some sort of glorification that when you come from the hood, um, the

00:08:04.680 machoism of selling drugs and the coolness is attractive.

00:08:08.100 Right.

00:08:08.300 So it's something still almost as cool as athletics in a way.

00:08:10.780 In a way.

00:08:11.280 And you still, you're still allowed to be a somebody, right?

00:08:14.880 Yes.

00:08:15.380 And my access to me being able to get drugs from people, uh, the drugs that I was selling,

00:08:21.060 they, they, these people, it was easy to get to these people.

00:08:23.020 So, so, so I'm speaking from that perspective.

00:08:24.880 Right.

00:08:25.440 And I got to say, and also just from being, just being a bit more realer, uh, I was just 1.00

00:08:30.700 a dumb fuck when it came to school. 1.00

00:08:32.540 Right. 1.00

00:08:32.920 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:33.380 So there was nothing like, you know, let me go ahead and get an education and, you know,

00:08:36.760 football's not working out.

00:08:37.920 Let me go ahead and live my life in some academic format.

00:08:40.960 So it just wasn't there.

00:08:42.220 You just couldn't even pay attention in school.

00:08:43.740 It just wasn't your thing.

00:08:44.520 It just wasn't interesting.

00:08:45.440 Like when, when you look back on it, uh, when you grew up in an environment, you know,

00:08:49.140 like, um, when you grew up in an environment, the only thing that you see as being successful

00:08:53.360 or what you deem successful is guys either selling dope or the cool guys or the athletes.

00:08:57.720 That's the only thing that you want to gravitate to as a kid.

00:08:59.720 Especially like probably growing up black in America at your age.

00:09:03.240 I mean, I remember the only successful black men I even knew growing up, uh, were the guys 0.82

00:09:09.080 on coming to America.

00:09:10.600 No joke.

00:09:11.280 Or the Dallas Cowboys.

00:09:12.260 When I really think about it as a child, like even, or the guy on, uh, in the heat of the

00:09:15.760 night, the, you know, Virgil.

00:09:17.320 Yeah.

00:09:18.400 But see, when I think back, like that's who I, it's like, there was only a really, yeah.

00:09:23.640 Like I remember, and I've talked about this before.

00:09:25.220 Yeah.

00:09:25.380 If I even remember watching commercials for like Disneyland or something like that, it was always white 1.00

00:09:29.200 people, like there was probably, yeah.

00:09:30.920 So I can only imagine what the vision probably looked like being a young black child, you

00:09:34.520 know?

00:09:34.820 Yeah.

00:09:35.040 So see, you just, you just put that into context.

00:09:36.960 And so you gotta, you gotta put everything in context.

00:09:39.660 You're more, more about being cool is important to you rather than doing the right thing and

00:09:45.140 building your life at 18, 19 years old.

00:09:47.640 Cool as it.

00:09:48.280 Oh, cool as it.

00:09:49.200 Cool as it.

00:09:49.720 And so the selling of the drugs makes me, makes me cool to the women. 1.00

00:09:53.240 Right. 0.99

00:09:53.500 The selling of the drugs gets me money in my pocket to do foolish shit, to buy champagne, to buy 0.99

00:09:58.460 liquor, but you don't realize the habits that you're forming from this are detrimental 0.99

00:10:02.660 to you.

00:10:03.540 So at that point, uh, I can remember I'm out in Vegas at that time in Vegas and Jim Brown's

00:10:09.060 like, yo, slow down.

00:10:10.340 Like, yo, like just slow down.

00:10:11.920 I can remember even, I remember at that time too, James Prince was out there.

00:10:16.060 I remember James Prince was like, yo, you tripping, you know what I mean?

00:10:18.740 Cause he had seen me as a regular football player.

00:10:20.560 And then to see me in that condition, I can remember him saying like, yo, you tripping,

00:10:24.740 you know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:10:25.140 And then slow your ass down. 0.99

00:10:26.460 So I came out here and in the process of Jim Brown, not being around, I went down to 0.99

00:10:31.340 sunset.

00:10:31.880 Yeah.

00:10:32.160 When I go down to sunset, when I'm going into Hollywood, when I'm partying all day, uh, 0.90

00:10:36.280 you know, partied on a Monday, never heard of fucking party on a Monday, party on a Tuesday, 0.96

00:10:40.240 party on a Wednesday, you know, party on a Thursday. 0.99

00:10:42.820 Hey, come get this brunch, you know, but it's Hollywood's crazy, man.

00:10:47.020 You can always find it.

00:10:48.660 You can find it.

00:10:49.380 There's a group of people that it just never ends.

00:10:51.680 So, so just take it like this.

00:10:53.180 So put this in the context.

00:10:54.540 I'm from Ohio.

00:10:55.740 Yeah.

00:10:55.920 I'm from Youngstown to Columbus, Ohio.

00:10:57.160 I don't care how progressive you think Ohio is.

00:11:00.060 If you're from Ohio, it's still slow in comparison to these larger cities and how they do stuff. 1.00

00:11:04.800 So in Ohio, if you're a fucking drunk out of your mind and high to your mind at fucking 0.99

00:11:09.720 two in the afternoon, somebody would say you're crazy in LA, they walk past you like, 0.99

00:11:13.820 there's no big deal.

00:11:14.560 Yeah.

00:11:14.940 You know, because this is a social function.

00:11:16.560 And so I got caught into that crowd and it was just a good time.

00:11:19.620 But also, you know, how you can be very popular.

00:11:22.400 You can come to LA, you can hide.

00:11:23.880 Right.

00:11:24.040 Nobody knows you.

00:11:24.820 So they don't know that your accountability for being a professional, there's no accountability.

00:11:30.420 Right.

00:11:30.580 They don't know that.

00:11:31.080 Yeah.

00:11:31.160 There's no accountability.

00:11:31.860 You can fake it.

00:11:32.600 It's all.

00:11:33.140 Yes.

00:11:33.700 There's no, you can't see any of the behind the scenes of anyone here, really.

00:11:37.540 No.

00:11:37.760 Like in a smaller city, you can see you might run into Maurice's cousin or Maurice's aunt

00:11:42.780 or a friend of Maurice's who's like, he's not doing well.

00:11:45.480 Or here, everybody will lie to prop everybody up.

00:11:48.060 Yes.

00:11:48.440 And nobody even knows what anybody's really doing anyway.

00:11:50.600 And nobody really knows.

00:11:52.020 And so from there, you know, obviously I partied and Jim Brown reached out to me a couple of

00:11:56.520 times and I went to his house up in the hills.

00:11:58.720 And just from the discipline he tried to implement on me, I was resistant for him.

00:12:03.960 I was like, yo.

00:12:04.940 How much of Africa is in Jim Brown's house?

00:12:06.700 I bet I could see him having masks.

00:12:09.700 I could see him having like traditional Mombasa warriors.

00:12:13.520 Like I bet he gets really real in there.

00:12:15.320 Does he?

00:12:15.840 No, he's a serious dude.

00:12:17.360 He's serious and just, he has a great spirit and a great soul.

00:12:20.680 But if I remember correctly, just a bait, like this very basic house.

00:12:26.400 Wow.

00:12:26.700 But one thing he talks about is his view.

00:12:28.300 Like if you go up there, you can just see the whole city.

00:12:30.340 Like it's a phenomenal view.

00:12:31.480 Yeah.

00:12:31.860 And he always hosts like, he probably still does it to some degree.

00:12:34.980 He used to host like meetings at his house every Monday and Tuesday and bring different

00:12:38.400 dudes from different gangs all over LA to his house and, you know, bring in just people

00:12:42.800 who would speak.

00:12:43.400 And it was just about basically basic fellowship on life.

00:12:46.080 So he's big on that.

00:12:47.160 Yeah.

00:12:47.360 So he had the American program and this was helping guys transition from prison, giving

00:12:51.400 them job skills, giving them a different support once they were released back into society.

00:12:55.660 So he had felt that since he's dealing with people who are gangsters, that they would

00:12:59.840 take me in like a little brother and provide some structure for me to basically get better.

00:13:04.720 Great idea.

00:13:05.740 But I just wasn't ready for it.

00:13:07.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:13:08.000 Like, you know, you can, in my mind, I was a celebrity. 0.99

00:13:11.160 In my mind, I'm like, fuck, I'm somebody from Ohio. 0.98

00:13:13.620 I'm not about to come out here and listen to guys and have structure and discipline and 0.99

00:13:17.240 go to bed.

00:13:18.140 It's hard to hear.

00:13:19.140 It's hard to hear when you're a celebrity, isn't it?

00:13:21.320 Yes.

00:13:21.720 When you think about it.

00:13:22.380 When you think you're a celebrity.

00:13:23.440 Right.

00:13:24.040 Right.

00:13:24.880 When you think you're a celebrity, when your ego really starts to puff up, it's hard to,

00:13:29.080 you can listen to people, you can look at people, but it's hard to really hear

00:13:32.820 them.

00:13:33.040 It's, there's something that's, it's, that's different.

00:13:35.320 I mean, I would call it, there's no discernment.

00:13:37.280 Right.

00:13:37.540 So, um, cause this is what happens.

00:13:40.480 You, you get to a space with how you've always wanted to live your life.

00:13:44.940 Right.

00:13:45.360 So, you know, I grew up in the MTV Cribs era.

00:13:47.980 Always say that.

00:13:48.780 Right.

00:13:49.160 Oh yeah.

00:13:49.500 And so to a kid that is impressionable, you know, if, if I've made it, you know, like who

00:13:55.380 doesn't like, let's like, you know, I have a woman, we've been together 14 years.

00:13:58.440 Right. 0.99

00:13:59.160 But in that space, I want to have sex with the most beautiful women. 1.00

00:14:02.260 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:02.620 I want money everywhere. 0.98

00:14:03.900 I want to fucking Bentley outside. 0.98

00:14:05.640 I want to Rolls Royce outside. 0.99

00:14:06.640 I just want to live life.

00:14:07.660 Oh yeah.

00:14:07.980 So anything that you get tigers, everybody gets tigers.

00:14:13.980 So, you know what I'm saying?

00:14:15.000 You, you, you get to a, uh, you're living some sort of pseudo moment in your head.

00:14:20.280 You don't want this to end.

00:14:21.180 Right.

00:14:21.400 And so now you're, you're, you're, you're coming to me as an advisor with a great advice 0.99

00:14:24.800 and I'm like, fuck, like it makes sense, but this isn't helping me to do all this shit 0.99

00:14:29.720 that I want to do. 1.00

00:14:30.540 Right. 1.00

00:14:30.880 Like this isn't helping me, you know, fuck all these girls. 1.00

00:14:33.020 This isn't helping me be cool in the club. 1.00

00:14:34.620 So, and fame is like fame or notoriety is fucking intoxicating. 0.87

00:14:38.840 It's intoxicating, especially when you don't have a lot of feelings already inside of yourself 0.86

00:14:42.920 that kind of, um, that you can notice that sort of thing.

00:14:46.180 Like you don't have like a real framework or a groundwork that builds you up from the

00:14:50.100 inside any, you know, anyway.

00:14:52.560 Um, and I'm not saying that you don't, I'm, you know, I'm just saying even from my own

00:14:55.560 life, it's like, I know that there's things it's like, man, when things come in, that

00:14:59.180 seems appealing.

00:15:00.080 Yeah.

00:15:00.560 Um, but you gotta ask yourself, when, when did you figure out the discovery process of

00:15:04.120 knowing yourself?

00:15:05.160 You know, nobody's thinking 18, 19 years old.

00:15:07.760 35 maybe.

00:15:08.440 Come on.

00:15:09.320 Listen to me.

00:15:09.980 I'm still at, what do I value?

00:15:12.620 How do I love myself?

00:15:13.700 You know, what is really important to me?

00:15:15.520 I was sitting down today with John having coffee.

00:15:17.900 I said, man, like I'm having fun sitting on a, uh, on a, on a, on a,

00:15:21.440 table outside having coffee at Starbucks.

00:15:23.780 Yeah.

00:15:24.260 I can appreciate just cars going by, you know what I'm saying?

00:15:26.680 Right.

00:15:27.220 Different, different appreciation.

00:15:28.920 Oh yeah.

00:15:29.960 I mean, it's, uh, yeah.

00:15:31.720 I mean, I got it, you know, I'm a sober guy now.

00:15:33.540 So I got in a program about two and a half years ago and that's the first time that I

00:15:37.400 started learning.

00:15:38.200 That's the first time I could almost really even hear anybody like before that life was

00:15:42.540 just this, it was great.

00:15:44.200 And there were great moments and it was, I was, I was involved and invested, but I just

00:15:48.540 couldn't, I don't know the things hadn't lined up.

00:15:51.440 It was still too much of a Rubik's cube, you know, for me.

00:15:54.360 Um, but not to take your story away.

00:15:56.580 So, so you end up back out here.

00:15:58.340 Uh, Jim Brown has you up in the Hills.

00:16:00.180 He's trying to help out.

00:16:01.180 Yes.

00:16:01.440 So at that time I disconnected from him and all things responsible ended up coming and,

00:16:06.200 uh, and met another gentleman, real, still a good friend today to my, still a good friend

00:16:10.040 to me today.

00:16:11.040 Uh, and his name was high, you know, he's, he's, he was obviously in the 30 for 30.

00:16:14.340 Oh yeah.

00:16:14.680 So I'm in the 30 for 30.

00:16:15.540 Yep.

00:16:15.800 So, and, and how I met high and at that time high, uh, was under a, a federal, federal

00:16:21.660 case, you know, federal racketeering case and, and, and that's highly noted, uh, and all

00:16:26.240 over the internet.

00:16:26.720 And so what happened was we ended up going to a party at his house and, uh, he lived out

00:16:30.520 in the Marina.

00:16:30.900 And as we went to the party at the house, uh, I ended up bumping into him to make a long

00:16:34.560 story short. 0.99

00:16:35.300 You know, we was just, uh, talking shit to each other. 0.99

00:16:37.600 Uh, just, you know, like, who are you? 0.99

00:16:39.060 Where are you from?

00:16:39.620 Like, how did you get out here?

00:16:40.740 Uh, we ended up partying some more at night and then he was just like, yo, like you're

00:16:44.480 kind of from Ohio.

00:16:45.660 You've landed in LA.

00:16:46.760 You don't know anybody out here.

00:16:47.780 Like, you know, hook up with me. 0.99

00:16:48.780 Like, let me help you get your shit together. 0.98

00:16:50.680 And I don't really understand like even how it happened even when I look back now, but 0.98

00:16:54.580 it was like one of the best, it was one of the best and worst things that happened to

00:16:57.240 me.

00:16:57.860 Uh, the best because I got a friend and a brother for life.

00:17:00.840 Like that was, that was a guaranteed.

00:17:02.700 Uh, there was also, um, like a cool deal of just me getting exposed to other people who are

00:17:07.920 successful outside of, uh, athletics.

00:17:11.240 Okay.

00:17:11.300 Right.

00:17:11.560 You got in the in crowd.

00:17:12.600 Yeah.

00:17:12.780 So I, I never knew somebody.

00:17:14.320 So they, they own a shit ton of real estate, you know, probably a couple of billion dollars 0.72

00:17:17.200 worth of real estate. 0.99

00:17:18.560 And I can just remember thinking to myself, I'm like, how the fuck are these people so 0.99

00:17:21.960 rich? 0.88

00:17:22.260 You know, as naive as it sounds at 20, 19, 20 years old, I never seen somebody who had

00:17:28.620 had money outside of athletes.

00:17:30.500 I couldn't even conceive of people being like that massively successful.

00:17:34.820 And so, um, what ended up happening was that he was under a, uh, a racketeering case, you

00:17:40.920 know, uh, at that time, and he was getting ready to go to trial, like maybe that next

00:17:44.400 summer.

00:17:44.940 Right.

00:17:45.160 And so every day he would get up at eight in the morning and he would have his curfew at

00:17:49.420 11, but he thought he was going to prison for a long time.

00:17:52.360 So it was all about living life to the fullest.

00:17:54.540 Right.

00:17:54.720 Okay.

00:17:54.860 And you were, and you were on that wave.

00:17:56.160 And I was just, I happened to be a part of the boat.

00:17:58.600 So I'm, uh, out here trying to semi train for football, nothing really serious.

00:18:04.040 And I'm also around him every day because this is the only person I know.

00:18:07.440 Right. 1.00

00:18:08.140 So we're talking about a guy who has three or four fucking Bentley's, a fucking house 1.00

00:18:12.080 in Beverly Hills, a house in fucking, uh, by the beach. 0.99

00:18:15.560 And just seeing that as a young man, it can't really, I could imagine probably in your scenario, 0.95

00:18:20.600 I don't even, I don't know if it could help that much seeing all that, you know, but,

00:18:25.000 but it makes it worse.

00:18:25.740 And I got to say this, one of the worst things that can happen is that you get into a vehicle

00:18:32.360 or you get around people who are super successful and you lose sight that this is their success.

00:18:37.600 You're just living in it.

00:18:38.680 Yeah.

00:18:39.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:18:39.520 Oh yeah.

00:18:40.040 And so the hunger for me to want to become something had faded because I thought I made

00:18:45.140 it.

00:18:45.360 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:45.940 And 19, 20 years old, you're not processing like, this is their shit. 1.00

00:18:49.700 Right. 1.00

00:18:49.900 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

00:18:50.440 But you have a sex with beautiful women, you know, cause there's a lot of beautiful, 1.00

00:18:53.800 beautiful women out here, right? 0.99

00:18:55.100 Oh yeah. 0.98

00:18:55.780 It's the sex belt out here, man. 1.00

00:18:57.520 It's the sex belt. 1.00

00:18:58.580 Think about this.

00:18:59.160 You have a Mercedes.

00:19:00.780 I got a 2004, five Mercedes 604 in my garage is 2004.

00:19:05.540 You have a 745 out here.

00:19:07.040 It's a brand new cars.

00:19:07.960 You're living in the Marina.

00:19:08.880 Yeah.

00:19:09.280 You know, you got money in your pocket, you're partying.

00:19:11.160 You got goldfish made out of real gold.

00:19:12.680 Yeah.

00:19:13.120 You know what I'm saying?

00:19:13.800 I remember they couldn't even swim. 0.99

00:19:15.360 Like damn, no fish are heavy, man. 0.99

00:19:17.020 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:17.360 Like that's a 14 carat flounder right there.

00:19:19.740 You know, they got all kinds of stuff.

00:19:21.320 So you, so you, so you have the bad scenario.

00:19:24.220 You get caught up.

00:19:25.460 You, you have, you have influences, but, but their life isn't your life and you're starting

00:19:30.040 to believe that it is, or of course at that age, who wouldn't?

00:19:32.680 I'm starting, I'm starting to, but it's easier to live the lie.

00:19:35.180 And you end up, so, and I remember you ended up back in the NFL combine.

00:19:39.400 Yes.

00:19:40.280 Went back to the NFL, went to the combine, failed horribly.

00:19:43.600 I ended up coming back to LA.

00:19:45.120 And as I come back to LA, I'm thinking like, I'm not going to get drafted anymore.

00:19:47.980 And after I ended up getting drafted, uh, in the third round, I went to, uh, Denver and 0.99

00:19:53.240 really it was just a shit show in a nutshell. 0.98

00:19:55.000 I couldn't stop partying. 0.99

00:19:56.460 I was literally going to the clubs and we'll stay out till maybe three or four in the morning

00:20:00.280 and we have to be to practice at seven. 0.99

00:20:02.660 So I'm coming to practice in the morning, like shit, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:20:05.260 Not just a professional athlete. 0.99

00:20:06.800 And I always talk about Denver because I can't, I can't really shit on Denver. 0.96

00:20:10.600 They tried to help me. 0.97

00:20:11.340 Right.

00:20:11.720 So throughout the process, they tried to sit me down with a sports psychologist and they said,

00:20:15.160 Hey, you know, can you please slow down, you know, get with the sports psychologist and

00:20:18.520 allow her to assist you because they kept on saying, you've experienced a lot of trauma

00:20:21.920 before you've come to here.

00:20:23.020 Right.

00:20:23.780 Instability.

00:20:24.400 So at my mind, I'm like, okay, I'm not about to sit here and talk to this lady.

00:20:27.740 One, because she was a lady. 1.00

00:20:28.880 And two, I think that I'm a gangster.

00:20:30.380 And this is like an old white lady trying to talk to me about. 1.00

00:20:32.660 This thing going to help. 0.99

00:20:33.920 Ignorance. 0.98

00:20:34.320 You know, not that she has some information, but just pure ignorance. 0.92

00:20:37.640 So you fast forward that story.

00:20:39.160 We're getting ready to play the, um, Indianapolis Colts.

00:20:41.840 This is the third game of the preseason.

00:20:43.280 And they come to me again and they say, Hey, can you sit down and, uh, work with the sports

00:20:47.660 psychologist, but also get on a practice squad.

00:20:49.980 Like just sit yourself down, like allow us to develop.

00:20:52.740 Right.

00:20:53.380 In my mind, I processed that as I'm not good enough and you want to sit me out.

00:20:57.900 Yeah.

00:20:58.220 Couldn't see the forest with the trees.

00:20:59.360 Right.

00:20:59.760 Yeah.

00:21:00.040 So the next thing, you know, I push her away.

00:21:01.880 They called me that next day.

00:21:03.340 They cut me that morning.

00:21:05.020 I ended up getting on a plane, coming back to LA.

00:21:07.320 And when I got here, you know, the depression went from like, you know, a two to a negative 40.

00:21:12.940 Right.

00:21:13.280 And it's building behind the scenes.

00:21:14.500 You don't even know it.

00:21:15.540 No, absolutely. 0.90

00:21:16.180 It's such a monster.

00:21:16.960 The way that depression and that kind of stuff, and all of it can be building in your

00:21:20.920 base and you don't even realize a hundred percent, 100%. 0.99

00:21:24.280 And when I get here, this one, I knew I was real fucked up. 0.95

00:21:26.980 Like sometimes, like, you know, you have moments of clarity where you can identify how you really 0.97

00:21:30.980 feel.

00:21:31.220 I went to a party off a sunset and I can remember like it was yesterday.

00:21:34.660 I'm standing in the party.

00:21:36.060 And as I'm standing there, the whole party's going on.

00:21:39.000 And I literally had smoked before I came.

00:21:41.100 I had drunk before I came.

00:21:42.580 And I literally felt nothing. 0.99

00:21:44.200 Damn. 0.99

00:21:44.380 Didn't feel high. 1.00

00:21:45.280 Didn't feel drunk.

00:21:46.460 Didn't feel connected to the moment.

00:21:47.960 Didn't feel the party.

00:21:48.880 Didn't feel the music.

00:21:50.080 Like just was like in this like stale space.

00:21:52.440 Yeah. 0.95

00:21:52.660 So anybody ever been fucked up off of drugs know what I'm talking about. 0.96

00:21:54.700 Right. 0.99

00:21:55.380 So the next thing, you know, I get, um, I get in the party, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm fucking 0.99

00:21:59.020 around and, uh, I was like, man, I gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.96

00:22:02.500 I just knew I had to exit LA.

00:22:04.180 Yeah.

00:22:04.440 So I get back to the house. 0.94

00:22:05.640 Uh, I went to, uh, at that time I was banking with fucking whoever the next day withdrew my 0.98

00:22:09.840 money. 0.96

00:22:10.020 Cause they didn't have the same bank in Ohio, caught a one way ticket to Ohio and went 0.99

00:22:13.720 home, left all my shit. 0.99

00:22:14.720 Right. 0.99

00:22:14.980 So I connected with my coach when I came back home.

00:22:17.480 And, uh, when I connected with him, the whole thing was like, Hey, you know, I need to get my 0.95

00:22:21.460 shit together.

00:22:21.940 I feel lost. 1.00

00:22:22.760 Like, I'm just like totally disconnected from, uh, fucking reality. 0.98

00:22:26.280 So I ended up coming back to Ohio. 0.96

00:22:29.000 Uh, when I got back here, uh, the coach had gave me a bunch of instructions, like, you 0.96

00:22:32.740 know, uh, a bunch of shit to do to help me. 0.94

00:22:34.780 Direction. 0.99

00:22:35.180 Yeah.

00:22:35.460 Did you follow it?

00:22:36.560 Uh, no, but he always talk, he always talks about coach Dressel, always talks about takeaways

00:22:40.140 after we're done talking.

00:22:41.540 And, uh, he said, you know, I need you to go back to school, but then I also need you to

00:22:44.520 get in better shape. 0.96

00:22:45.520 The first thing was like fucking shit ton hard because I couldn't get back to school because 0.99

00:22:49.660 I didn't know how to do the fucking work. 0.99

00:22:50.760 Right. 0.99

00:22:50.920 So I was rejecting that in the back of my head.

00:22:53.680 The second one, I said, okay, I'll start to get in shape.

00:22:55.880 So as I started to get in shape and wake up and go to the gym that he referred me to, like

00:22:59.880 I started to feel better and look better the whole night.

00:23:02.140 But what happened was I had a ton of free time on my hands.

00:23:05.060 Right.

00:23:05.140 So I'm 21 at this time, ton of free time on my hands, no money, can't pay for rent, really

00:23:11.460 didn't have like the humility to go get a job.

00:23:13.700 Right.

00:23:14.100 Back to the street.

00:23:14.820 Yeah.

00:23:15.140 Back to the streets.

00:23:16.060 Where you're still a king.

00:23:16.900 You're always a king there.

00:23:17.960 In my mind.

00:23:18.440 Right.

00:23:18.780 In my mind.

00:23:19.360 And so I get back in the streets and as I'm getting back into the streets, the drugs are

00:23:23.760 not as accessible as they were before because the guy who I was messing with, he ends up

00:23:27.120 going to the federal penitentiary.

00:23:28.300 Yeah.

00:23:28.860 So now I'm messing with all type of new guys.

00:23:30.920 Inconsistent.

00:23:31.920 I still got better.

00:23:33.040 But I got LA habits. 0.99

00:23:34.940 So LA habits are spend money like it's fucking going out of style. 0.97

00:23:37.660 You were just with a guy who spends thousands every day. 0.98

00:23:40.000 Yeah.

00:23:40.540 So I'm still caught into that mind frame.

00:23:42.100 Oh, yeah.

00:23:42.580 You'll tip a rich guy in LA. 1.00

00:23:44.420 There'll be a fucking rich dude. 0.99

00:23:45.780 You'll give him 20. 1.00

00:23:46.520 He'll be like, I don't even want this. 1.00

00:23:48.480 But you lose your fucking mind. 1.00

00:23:50.440 Agreed. 1.00

00:23:50.820 You lose your mind.

00:23:51.620 Right.

00:23:51.840 And so I come here.

00:23:53.200 I mean, so I get out there.

00:23:54.700 The next thing you know, money's starting to slow up. 1.00

00:23:56.740 So now I'm like, fuck it. 1.00

00:23:57.920 I got to start robbing people now. 1.00

00:23:59.320 Yeah. 0.67

00:23:59.620 So now I'm robbing people. 0.99

00:24:00.640 Damn, that's great. 0.99

00:24:01.640 And not to laugh, man. 1.00

00:24:02.800 It's just so wild, bro. 0.99

00:24:04.880 It's fucking delusional, though. 0.98

00:24:06.520 You know, I could have came back to LA, humbled myself, really talked to my guy and said, 0.99

00:24:10.500 hey, man, I got to get my shit together. 0.71

00:24:11.500 But my pride wouldn't allow me just to be where I was at. 0.98

00:24:14.960 Right.

00:24:15.240 So next thing you know, I end up catching a robbery case in Columbus.

00:24:19.460 And so I'm kicked out of college, kicked out of the NFL.

00:24:22.540 Did you do it?

00:24:23.160 Were you the robber?

00:24:23.780 Yeah, 100%.

00:24:24.420 100%.

00:24:25.020 Yeah.

00:24:25.220 Yeah, I got caught.

00:24:28.560 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:29.380 He came up his shoulder pads.

00:24:30.440 He ran a 4-2.

00:24:31.820 It was definitely him.

00:24:33.020 So the bad, like, so I feel bad, like, what is this?

00:24:37.380 This is 2018 now. 0.90

00:24:38.700 I feel fucking bad for doing it. 0.98

00:24:40.940 Were you a good robber or not? 0.99

00:24:42.540 I was good until that point.

00:24:44.080 But so, no, but these are the, like, the irony of this is probably my first time saying this 0.99

00:24:48.980 shit. 0.98

00:24:49.140 There's the wrong people. 1.00

00:24:50.000 So the people who I was supposed to go and rob, they weren't there. 0.98

00:24:54.440 Oh, you're an inaccurate robber, bro.

00:24:57.960 You're supposed to hit the A-gap and you hit the B-gap. 0.94

00:25:03.100 That's what happened.

00:25:04.160 So if the people listen, I'm sorry, you know, this is Theo laughing and not me.

00:25:09.160 And I'm just laughing.

00:25:10.840 I'm laughing because I can laugh now at the pain.

00:25:13.340 I can see, you know, it replaces it when you can laugh at it later.

00:25:17.140 It replaces, you got that right.

00:25:19.360 I don't know. 0.99

00:25:20.100 I was, I was, uh, I was out of my fucking mind, out of my mind. 0.76

00:25:23.880 And so, uh, what ended up, I ended up getting caught for that. 0.95

00:25:26.540 And I was out on bond, but January, 2006 to August, when I got arrested, I was just out 0.92

00:25:33.200 of my fucking mind and, you know, I'm committing more crimes because I have no money. 0.97

00:25:37.140 My, my lady's pregnant at this time. 1.00

00:25:38.640 Our daughter's getting ready to be born.

00:25:40.060 And I'm like, you know, you're going to the penitentiary and it's like the perfect storm.

00:25:44.140 You ever seen that movie, the perfect storm with the Andrea Gale?

00:25:46.340 No.

00:25:47.060 And, uh, it's like the ship and everything, the ship, it's like, it starts off at as a

00:25:51.040 great plan.

00:25:51.580 And the next thing, you know, it's just trying to catch shrimp and it's in the middle of like

00:25:54.460 nine tidal waves and a typhoon.

00:25:56.940 And it just probably called that.

00:25:58.580 Yeah.

00:25:58.860 It just seemed like, I can't even imagine that at 21, at 21.

00:26:02.320 So just 21, imagine having everything at the height of your life.

00:26:05.900 You lose everything.

00:26:06.900 Put this in context, right? 1.00

00:26:08.360 After you lose everything, every decision that you make is fucking retarded. 1.00

00:26:12.180 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:12.640 When you fucking think about it, excuse my language, but it's stupid. 1.00

00:26:15.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:16.260 And you fast forward. 0.99

00:26:18.020 Everyone's ignorant at 21. 0.99

00:26:19.300 Yes. 0.99

00:26:20.040 Especially people that, you know, that if you don't have certain guidance or you, or you're

00:26:23.900 not really connected to the, whatever guidance you have, you know?

00:26:27.320 I think that's good.

00:26:28.640 You're not connected to the guidance you have.

00:26:29.900 I think that that was, uh, that would accurately describe me.

00:26:33.380 And, and from there, nine months later, I ended up going to, um, uh, to get caught.

00:26:38.780 I came down to Columbus.

00:26:39.760 This is a real story.

00:26:40.640 I tried to tell it to ESPN, but they didn't include it.

00:26:42.820 And as I come down to Columbus, I get off on the wrong exit.

00:26:45.560 This is about three in the morning.

00:26:46.640 As I get off on the exit, I come to the, um, uh, uh, the stoplight and I make a U-turn in

00:26:51.840 the middle of the road.

00:26:52.700 So I make the U-turn.

00:26:53.860 It was a Home Depot parking lot.

00:26:55.040 And there's a police officer sitting in there.

00:26:56.740 Make the U-turn.

00:26:57.920 I have an AK-47 on, on the passenger side, right?

00:27:01.000 I'm out on bond.

00:27:02.160 And as he comes up to me, I started thinking about this episode from cops, right? 0.98

00:27:06.120 I have no fucking clue why. 0.96

00:27:07.600 That boy? 0.99

00:27:08.320 Yeah.

00:27:09.220 So I'm thinking to myself, when he walks up, I'm going to pull off.

00:27:12.820 And from there, you know, uh, I get away.

00:27:15.040 So he walks up in the car and literally I could see when he looked on the passenger side, 1.00

00:27:19.640 he see the fucking rifle. 1.00

00:27:20.540 So he's like nervous as shit. 1.00

00:27:23.020 I'll fucking speed off. 0.99

00:27:24.300 He's running back to his car and I'm coming over this, uh, on this bridge on this, uh, 0.99

00:27:28.000 thing called Bryce road.

00:27:29.440 I get on the orange ramp.

00:27:30.780 He's right behind me.

00:27:32.100 Here's a real deal.

00:27:33.460 I'm trying to get away in a Hyundai Santa Fe.

00:27:35.100 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:36.160 Hate to get away the car.

00:27:37.300 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:37.720 That's hectic, boy.

00:27:38.540 Yeah.

00:27:38.900 And so, uh, now, now the next thing you know, we're running down a freeway and, uh, we get

00:27:43.200 about four or five miles down the road.

00:27:45.240 And as I get further down the road, uh, you know, I'm from, I'm not from Louisiana.

00:27:48.780 I'm from Youngstown, right? 1.00

00:27:49.880 We have fucking like buildings and shit. 0.99

00:27:51.760 I started to see the woods, right? 0.99

00:27:53.800 And so I'm thinking to myself, like, you know, brothers don't do no woods, right?

00:27:57.880 A lot of brothers end in the woods.

00:28:01.740 Even on cops, even on cops, that's where cops ends every time it's in the woods.

00:28:06.520 Absolutely. 0.99

00:28:06.840 So let me turn my ass around. 1.00

00:28:08.780 So I turned my ass around. 1.00

00:28:09.940 The next thing you know, they had the, uh, the fucking spike strips. 1.00

00:28:12.300 They throw out. 0.99

00:28:13.160 They busted tires.

00:28:13.900 That's a cop out, bro. 1.00

00:28:14.840 If I'm a cop, a real cop, dude, get out there and shoot somebody. 0.99

00:28:17.560 No. 0.99

00:28:18.180 Lay the strips down.

00:28:19.620 You know what I'm saying, bro?

00:28:20.460 That's easy.

00:28:21.360 That's like when they hire a dog to do the cop's job.

00:28:23.640 Get out there and get your neck wet.

00:28:25.280 You know?

00:28:25.640 Well, when they, when they got me, they got me.

00:28:27.440 They caught me.

00:28:27.800 You hit the strips?

00:28:28.840 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 I hit the strips.

00:28:29.500 So it's like when they throw them, hopefully you'll never be in a situation you got to run. 0.99

00:28:33.300 Those fucking strips are like probably 40 yards long, man. 0.99

00:28:36.220 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:28:36.660 You throw them out there.

00:28:37.500 Well, probably 20.

00:28:38.520 I would say a legitimate 20 yards.

00:28:39.960 They throw them out there and you can't even swerve to get around them.

00:28:42.620 And, uh, they busted the tires.

00:28:44.300 And the next thing you know, I ended up, um, getting pulled over, you know, and, and.

00:28:48.560 Easily getting pulled over at that point.

00:28:49.520 Easily getting pulled over at that point.

00:28:51.100 Uh, and, uh, they took me out.

00:28:52.660 They, they roughed me up, threw me in the back of the car. 1.00

00:28:55.420 Um, you know, shit. 0.99

00:28:56.620 And, and basically took me downtown. 0.99

00:28:58.000 And, uh, the next thing, you know, uh, I call this like one of the, uh, I call it my divine

00:29:03.080 intervention moment.

00:29:03.940 You know what I'm saying?

00:29:04.540 Because I believe personally had that not happened, I really believe in, and I know people talk

00:29:10.240 about a lot.

00:29:10.700 I can just see myself either going to prison for life or being dead.

00:29:14.220 Yeah.

00:29:14.540 And, uh.

00:29:15.160 Yeah.

00:29:15.280 Cause what's next after that?

00:29:16.400 When you think about the scale of anything, what's next after, you know, running from police

00:29:21.620 and having guns, it's like, there's not much else after that, bro.

00:29:24.860 You just keep, you keep on pushing the proverbial, uh, bar. 1.00

00:29:28.340 And two, you just fucking believe that shit doesn't stink anymore. 1.00

00:29:31.100 And the next thing you know, you, you put yourself in a, in a horrible situation. 1.00

00:29:34.640 And, uh, were you grateful?

00:29:36.380 You think when that happened a little bit, I get, I guarantee if you're going to talk

00:29:40.100 to people on treatment, talk to people who got locked up, even though you don't want

00:29:44.720 to admit it because it sounds crazy, you're glad, you're glad that you're in a circumstance

00:29:48.820 that you can't get in your way anymore.

00:29:51.320 And that was my, my, my exact feeling.

00:29:53.900 I can't get away.

00:29:54.600 I can't get in my way anymore because God, I can't get in my way. 0.98

00:29:57.340 If, if, if I do it, I'm going to fuck it up.

00:29:59.740 I just don't have the discipline right now. 0.94

00:30:01.760 And another thing that happened to me, I went to court that next week, cause I was

00:30:06.100 a Wednesday. 0.96

00:30:06.500 I went to court like that next Monday or some shit. 0.83

00:30:08.360 The judge had mandated that I get it, that I get a mental health assessment. 0.96

00:30:11.620 So I've been pushing away all this mental health assistance in college and the pros 0.97

00:30:14.700 and all this other shit. 0.98

00:30:15.560 She mandated, I get it. 0.99

00:30:17.480 And I was suffering from anxiety and depression.

00:30:19.820 Right.

00:30:20.520 Yeah.

00:30:20.720 Finally get on mental health medication.

00:30:22.100 My first seven months of my incarceration, literally in a room, probably about the third

00:30:27.420 of the size, a nine by four cell, you're locked down 23 hours out of the day.

00:30:31.520 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:30:32.420 Three pairs of drawers, three socks, three t-shirts, same toilet that you're pissing shit 0.99

00:30:37.040 in. 1.00

00:30:37.260 It's the same shit that you drink water out of. 1.00

00:30:39.220 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:30:39.740 Yeah.

00:30:40.280 Literally.

00:30:40.800 Basic. 1.00

00:30:41.520 Basic shit. 1.00

00:30:42.780 And, uh, in that process, I call it like, you know, like, um, 0.99

00:30:45.820 probably the most introspective awakening process of my life.

00:30:48.940 You know, it was almost like a childhood or like an adolescence in a weird way because

00:30:52.780 you're very limited.

00:30:53.700 There's not much you can do.

00:30:54.780 You can't really, you're safe in a way you can't really harm yourself.

00:30:58.600 Great way to look at it.

00:30:59.960 You know, you get a chance for your brain to just be patient for a minute.

00:31:04.200 You know what you do?

00:31:05.200 You empty yourself because when you get caught, uh, and this is a real experience and I've

00:31:10.500 heard more people admit to it.

00:31:12.280 You start to think about everything you've done wrong.

00:31:14.560 Yeah.

00:31:14.840 And you start to like cleanse your mind of, of thoughts, of things to put you in here.

00:31:18.980 Right.

00:31:19.620 Uh, because there's nothing to distract you.

00:31:21.320 You can't do anything to distract yourself. 0.98

00:31:23.280 And, uh, what ended up happening was like the greatest fucking thing. 0.98

00:31:26.940 Um, all of that isolation of God, I will promote this book to the day I die. 0.96

00:31:32.800 A guy dropped off a book, a small 70 page read called as a man thinker by James Allen,

00:31:37.300 the most impactful book I've ever read in my life.

00:31:40.240 Bar non-comparison to none, very simple.

00:31:43.560 And, um, I was asking myself, like, how did you get here, Reese?

00:31:47.180 And after reading the book fucking 70 times in that situation, the book kept on showing 0.64

00:31:52.200 me that thoughts were things until thought is linked with purpose. 0.95

00:31:55.720 Nothing intelligence should ever happen until thought is linked with purpose.

00:31:58.620 Nothing intelligence should ever happen. 0.88

00:31:59.720 I kept on thinking to myself like, what the fuck does that mean at first? 0.89

00:32:02.160 Right. 0.99

00:32:02.380 What a man thinks about, plants in his brain, plants in his mind, he shall manifest.

00:32:06.180 Yeah.

00:32:06.700 Conceive, believe, and achieve, and speak up over, it shall come.

00:32:09.340 It's so true, isn't it? 0.98

00:32:10.420 Bro, so fucking true. 0.99

00:32:12.040 So simple though. 0.99

00:32:12.900 Yeah. 0.98

00:32:13.260 But when we grow up, we think like life is just a series of events, like random shit happens 0.68

00:32:17.960 and you have no control over it. 0.79

00:32:19.760 This game, supreme control over me creating my life.

00:32:23.140 Wow.

00:32:23.580 And so I said, oh, I thought I was a gangster.

00:32:25.320 So I responded as a gangster. 0.99

00:32:27.660 I talked as a gangster, but gangster shit has consequences within the American system. 0.99

00:32:31.720 You ended up as a gangster, running from the police. 1.00

00:32:33.560 You got AKs on the seat. 0.73

00:32:35.080 That's, you were.

00:32:35.860 You get everything that you want.

00:32:37.360 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:38.320 So then I'm transitioned to prison.

00:32:40.040 At this time, I get seven and a half years.

00:32:41.580 Yeah.

00:32:42.540 Now, when I take this medication, I'm stable.

00:32:44.800 I'm calm.

00:32:45.340 I'm cool.

00:32:45.880 Like there's no anxiety.

00:32:47.620 There's no, like I got to get somewhere and go somewhere.

00:32:49.080 Something that makes you go.

00:32:49.820 Yeah.

00:32:50.200 Absolutely.

00:32:50.740 Like a dirty motor. 1.00

00:32:51.920 A dirty fucking motor. 1.00

00:32:52.940 You can, 100% you can label it that. 1.00

00:32:55.480 I get to prison.

00:32:56.460 There's a gentleman by the name of Mr. Kelly Conte, the warden of the prison.

00:33:00.000 Beautiful guy.

00:33:01.720 Talked a bunch, but he said, Maurice, my father was a chief of Sierra Leone for 15 years.

00:33:06.400 Wow.

00:33:06.640 He said in Africa, he said when guys would do something wrong, we would bring them closer

00:33:09.820 to the village, figure out what's going wrong, help them out, fix them back up, and then

00:33:13.520 send them back out.

00:33:14.200 He said in America, you all throw people away.

00:33:17.120 He said, this is not over.

00:33:18.300 I don't want to throw you away.

00:33:19.320 So I'm like, all right, this is like, all right, cool. 0.94

00:33:21.040 I've been in my fucking way this much, right? 0.88

00:33:23.080 Next thing you know, he said, I want to put you in a bunch of psychological, social, and 0.98

00:33:26.360 emotional supportive courses.

00:33:27.680 Right. 0.99

00:33:27.880 At this point, I never heard of his shit, but for those who don't know, it's therapy. 0.99

00:33:32.060 All he told me is like, you're going to therapy, but guys in prison don't want to call it therapy. 0.99

00:33:36.000 It's just, you're going to classes, right?

00:33:37.320 Right, right, yeah. 0.99

00:33:37.880 And so through the process of that, I start going to these fucking classes every day from 0.99

00:33:41.100 like eight in the morning till 12 in the afternoon. 0.98

00:33:43.180 And could you, how educated were you at this point?

00:33:45.100 And not judging your education or anything, but like at this point, how were you, like,

00:33:49.180 could you read a book?

00:33:50.040 No, and I was going to get into that.

00:33:51.680 No.

00:33:52.240 So I could read the words, but I probably couldn't comprehend.

00:33:55.060 Right.

00:33:55.500 Right.

00:33:55.800 So my talent allowed them to, or I allowed myself to basically be pushed through school

00:34:01.160 since about 10th grade.

00:34:02.660 Like me and Corey were laughing.

00:34:03.760 I had a 13 on my ACT and I cheated to get into college.

00:34:07.080 You know what I'm saying?

00:34:07.780 Right.

00:34:08.160 Like just, just.

00:34:08.840 Right.

00:34:09.080 It was all the barriers weren't there.

00:34:10.320 There was nothing to tell you, hey, look, there was no mirrors really for you.

00:34:13.740 It was just all just one way signs.

00:34:15.880 As long as you can generate revenue on this football field, we'll find a way to get you

00:34:19.700 to the football field.

00:34:20.620 So, and then you never think it's going to win.

00:34:22.700 You never think it's going to end.

00:34:24.300 Of course not.

00:34:24.840 You know what I'm saying?

00:34:25.320 So we literally got done with that.

00:34:28.080 But then another thing happened after I was doing that.

00:34:31.380 I didn't realize that that same motivation that I had to be a great football player was

00:34:37.000 the same, like that was an energy that was inside of me, just wanted to do something

00:34:39.660 phenomenal.

00:34:40.040 Right.

00:34:40.820 So I said, okay.

00:34:41.580 That's a great, I was going to ask you about this.

00:34:43.360 Yeah.

00:34:43.700 So I said, what do you do when you want to be good in football?

00:34:46.540 You go watch film from people you want to be like.

00:34:48.900 So I said, okay, I want to be a businessman because there were so many entrepreneurial

00:34:51.960 things that drug dealing had gave me.

00:34:54.540 I always say crime in its inception is entrepreneurial.

00:34:57.900 I want to take control of my own destiny.

00:34:59.680 Oh yeah. 0.99

00:34:59.860 Drug dealer.

00:35:00.680 People always look at a drug dealer like a bad guy.

00:35:02.280 I'm like, that's a bit, that man is a businessman.

00:35:04.500 Wrong product.

00:35:05.180 Right.

00:35:05.560 Wrong.

00:35:05.940 Yeah.

00:35:06.120 Bad product.

00:35:06.820 Bad product.

00:35:07.580 But he's the businessman.

00:35:10.000 He sources product.

00:35:11.180 He sells.

00:35:11.720 He retains customers.

00:35:12.760 He gives consignment.

00:35:14.080 He works with logistics.

00:35:15.300 That's really true.

00:35:16.360 You can, capital allocation.

00:35:17.980 We can go on and on and on.

00:35:19.140 Yeah.

00:35:19.160 Agreed.

00:35:19.560 But, but that's what he does.

00:35:20.940 And so I said, okay, let me formally teach myself about this.

00:35:24.200 So I started educating myself and reading and reading.

00:35:26.600 So I used to go to commissary and when people would send me money, $20, $30 here, I would

00:35:30.820 start to get legal pads and I would start to do book reports and just read from people,

00:35:35.080 read from people, read from people, read Entrepreneur Incorporated, Fast Company, Wall

00:35:39.660 Street Journal, New York Times.

00:35:41.420 And how are you feeling at this point?

00:35:43.040 Like, are you like, I mean, are you still thinking about football at this point?

00:35:48.100 Are you, are you, so at that time I was 22 and I had seven and a half years would have

00:35:52.300 put me out of prison.

00:35:53.320 I'd have been 30 years old.

00:35:54.720 So at that point I'm like, you know, I'll never play football again.

00:35:57.800 And so I was just anxious to learn something else that I can take care of myself with.

00:36:03.360 Right. 0.97

00:36:03.580 And so through reading, I was just like, yo, there's a fucking big world out here. 0.96

00:36:07.560 You can be, you can be successful. 0.97

00:36:09.420 Anything you want.

00:36:10.360 Anything you want. 0.99

00:36:11.340 So, and if you ever hear me talk, I always talk about fucking reading, change my life. 0.99

00:36:14.700 Nothing else. 0.98

00:36:15.480 Reading changed my life.

00:36:16.440 It just opened my eyes up to what was possible, what you can do, how you can create your world,

00:36:20.640 how you can take that same work ethic and place it elsewhere.

00:36:23.400 And what about your child at this point?

00:36:24.820 Is your baby born yet?

00:36:26.020 Yeah.

00:36:26.200 So she's born and, and, uh, and you can't see her, you can see her during visitations.

00:36:30.200 So what would happen is that, uh, you know, every probably three months and I stopped them

00:36:34.480 from coming, uh, because it was easier to live the live prison as if they didn't exist.

00:36:39.100 Oh, wow.

00:36:39.700 So did you tell your wife about that or you told her that?

00:36:43.020 So it became hard.

00:36:44.580 So if you came to see me, it will remind me of what I was missing.

00:36:48.480 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:36:49.120 So if I see you, I got to see like, fuck, this is a whole child. 1.00

00:36:53.180 She's around me. 1.00

00:36:54.200 I mean, she's around me in the moment.

00:36:55.860 I'm visiting my emotions that I cut off in prison. 1.00

00:36:58.980 This shit is like for real. 0.99

00:37:00.600 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:37:01.260 Like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.99

00:37:02.980 You'll start to beat yourself up. 0.99

00:37:04.140 Is that a common practice for people that are inmates sometimes or people that are incarcerated?

00:37:08.140 No, you have two different extremes.

00:37:09.480 Some guys like a ton of visits because they like to live in the outside world.

00:37:13.360 Right.

00:37:13.680 So, you know, prison is like prison.

00:37:16.700 I always say it is the most intense environment you can ever be in.

00:37:20.320 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:20.760 So just think about this, right?

00:37:21.740 And there's no women in there. 1.00

00:37:22.780 It's all men. 1.00

00:37:23.780 The guard women, the guards are women sometimes, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:37:26.960 Oh, that's gotta be, that's gotta even be worse. 0.99

00:37:29.380 Like, damn, I can't even get a woman. 1.00

00:37:31.480 This one's making me go to bed. 1.00

00:37:32.980 Yeah, man, just, you know, it's fucking nuts, man. 0.99

00:37:35.660 Just imagine, like, six o'clock in the morning. 0.93

00:37:37.720 So, first of all, the lights never go out.

00:37:40.100 Just imagine this.

00:37:41.340 I used to have a roommate in college. 0.95

00:37:42.220 I wouldn't turn the lights out, dude, and it fucking pissed me off, bro. 0.99

00:37:44.800 So you'll be pissed off in prison. 0.97

00:37:45.900 This dude, Lester, yeah. 0.99

00:37:47.240 If fucking Lester's out there, they call him lit up Lester, bro. 1.00

00:37:50.320 This dude was fluorescent as fuck. 1.00

00:37:52.460 Bulbs all day, bro. 1.00

00:37:53.800 Bulb, bulb, bulb, bulbs.

00:37:55.200 The dude loved light bulbs on.

00:37:56.600 All day? 0.99

00:37:57.020 He'd walk in any room, and he wouldn't even in the room and just turn on the fucking lights and roll out. 1.00

00:38:00.660 Like, fuck him. 1.00

00:38:01.400 He carried a flashlight? 1.00

00:38:02.220 Yeah, there was something rotting in his head.

00:38:03.920 If he had lights on, it made him feel comfortable.

00:38:06.160 So he would cut them on everywhere he went, man. 1.00

00:38:08.460 And fuck you, Lester, bro. 1.00

00:38:09.620 So, I mean, he's a nice kid, but he wasted a lot of money around America with all this wattage. 1.00

00:38:16.320 Erroneous wattage, bro. 0.99

00:38:17.680 Well, prison is wasting a lot of money, and they keep the fucking lights on all day. 0.98

00:38:22.140 But could you imagine six in the morning, you have to be like, it's game day every day? 1.00

00:38:27.980 You know, it's fucking nuts, bro. 0.98

00:38:29.440 It's not game day. 0.99

00:38:29.840 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:31.120 But it's game day.

00:38:32.380 You know, we're not talking about sporadic events. 0.99

00:38:36.460 You're talking about, on a consistent basis, guys getting their ass kicked at six in the morning. 0.99

00:38:40.800 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:40.960 You know, we got into it at recreation last night.

00:38:43.500 We're going to chow. 1.00

00:38:44.280 You get your ass kicked on the way to chow. 1.00

00:38:46.320 You know, you're talking about motherfuckers getting, you know, fucking baby oil and hot water thrown in their face over fucking card games. 1.00

00:38:53.140 You're talking about motherfuckers just intense environment all day. 1.00

00:38:56.860 What were some things that you liked about it? 0.99

00:38:59.380 Well, the one thing you like about prison is the respect factor. 0.99

00:39:03.120 And so in society, if I disrespect you or you disrespect me, we can, like, walk away, you know, or hire a bunch of bullshit. 0.99

00:39:11.560 We can do other things. 0.99

00:39:12.700 In prison, it is the ultimate punishment fast.

00:39:15.920 So there's no lying.

00:39:18.160 There's no talking behind people's back.

00:39:20.160 There's no people bullshitting you.

00:39:22.040 Wow.

00:39:22.340 There's no stealing if you can't, like, defend yourself for taking what you want from people.

00:39:26.980 There's no gossiping.

00:39:28.880 There's none of that.

00:39:29.920 And everything has a serious demeanor.

00:39:31.620 There are people in prison literally don't look at each other, right?

00:39:33.920 So I can remember, like, for four years, walking through prison, like, you don't look at people.

00:39:38.480 Because you don't want to show your cards.

00:39:39.600 Your cards are in your eyes.

00:39:40.660 If we don't talk to each other, we don't have no business with each other.

00:39:42.940 We don't need to look at each other.

00:39:43.940 We don't need to speak to each other.

00:39:45.420 So there's a sense of organization in prison.

00:39:50.360 That's fascinating.

00:39:51.080 There's a sense of discipline within the element or within the environment, right?

00:39:55.900 Did you have altercations in prison or no? 0.99

00:39:57.980 Yeah, just over, but over bullshit, over a washer. 0.99

00:40:02.240 You know, so you just think about this, right? 0.99

00:40:03.340 So you have a washer, and this is a serious thing.

00:40:06.500 Like, if you allow somebody to skip you online to wash your clothes, it can be perceived wrong.

00:40:12.140 You have arguments over the microwave.

00:40:14.240 These are serious things.

00:40:14.940 You have arguments over a basketball game, right?

00:40:17.240 And so this forces you to defend, like, your space.

00:40:20.380 And so prison, everybody's trying to—just imagine you're in a neighborhood, and all the sales are houses.

00:40:25.560 Everybody's trying to state claim as to who they are in a neighborhood.

00:40:30.080 And it's either you're with the guys, you're with the populace, you know what I'm saying, the majority, either with the Bloods, Crips, Mexican guys, you know, or guys who are within a white gang. 0.91

00:40:39.960 And there's many different factions.

00:40:41.380 But you have all of that within one housing unit.

00:40:45.120 And so for everybody to coincide, there has to be an extreme amount of respect amongst each other.

00:40:51.360 This is every day, bro.

00:40:52.900 Every day.

00:40:53.440 You only have three telephones.

00:40:54.720 You sound like a monopoly, but with knives, bro. 0.99

00:40:56.600 It sounds fucking intense, you know? 0.98

00:40:58.540 So you just imagine that. 0.95

00:40:59.800 So I've learned quickly when I'm here, this ain't my program.

00:41:04.300 Right.

00:41:04.720 Like, this ain't my deal.

00:41:05.860 Like, you know, what I did in the streets and what the consequences were, like, yo, this is not you.

00:41:12.560 Like, and so I had to admit that to myself that I'm not ready to die here.

00:41:16.240 Right. 0.99

00:41:16.600 You know, so I'm not ready to fight over a fucking microwave. 0.99

00:41:18.560 I'm not ready to die over a microwave. 0.99

00:41:21.140 Right.

00:41:21.440 I'm not ready to die over disrespect in prison.

00:41:24.300 Like, it's just not, this is not my environment. 1.00

00:41:26.420 And so you have guys, like, literally who are fucking nuts. 0.99

00:41:29.740 And I can call it for what it is. 1.00

00:41:31.120 These guys are fucking nuts. 1.00

00:41:32.520 Guys who are never going home. 1.00

00:41:33.780 Right.

00:41:34.100 They got nothing to lose.

00:41:35.040 My sentence is seven and a half years.

00:41:37.140 So my circumstances aren't like yours because the average person in prison who I was at,

00:41:40.760 these guys are doing 15 years or better.

00:41:43.120 So the way they look at what's going on, the way I look at what's going on is two different things. 0.97

00:41:47.020 So I said, Reese, your program is to get your ass in here, re-educate yourself, figure out 1.00

00:41:51.800 what you're going to do and get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:41:53.540 That's what I did. 0.97

00:41:54.220 And at this point, when you get out, who's still there that was there whenever?

00:42:00.000 Like, are any of the celebrities and the stars?

00:42:02.140 Is any of that still?

00:42:03.280 No.

00:42:03.460 So I give it to Mike Tomlin, the coach for Pittsburgh Steelers.

00:42:07.840 Oh, yeah, Pittsburgh, yeah.

00:42:08.360 He reached out and wrote me a letter, which is beautiful because I'm like, you know, you 0.96

00:42:11.600 guys are fucking, at that time, they had won the Super Bowl. 0.97

00:42:14.180 And for you to think about Maurice Claret in fucking prison, who've never, I didn't go 0.99

00:42:17.820 to NFL around for yards, which was great. 0.99

00:42:21.580 And literally, that was it.

00:42:22.720 You know, but, you know, you start to look at it different because you start to look at

00:42:26.160 life as, you know, these people don't owe me anything.

00:42:30.560 They don't owe me the personal connection and you start to realize that your friendships

00:42:34.060 are just circumstantial.

00:42:35.500 Right.

00:42:35.660 You know, as long as you're that guy entertaining or you have a certain status amongst peers,

00:42:40.520 people would love to be associated with you.

00:42:42.320 But when you're not that guy anymore, like there was never a human connection or a human

00:42:46.540 part to that.

00:42:47.360 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:48.260 And so I can't say it was the same in all cases, but you're not a factor. 1.00

00:42:52.020 You don't help me get pussy. 1.00

00:42:53.040 You don't help me get in the club. 1.00

00:42:54.040 You don't help me get an endorsement deal.

00:42:56.460 You don't help me to do that.

00:42:57.400 So we don't hold any value.

00:42:59.060 And the only people I had in my corner, like outside of anybody, it was just my mother,

00:43:03.840 my lady, my daughter.

00:43:05.780 And that was it, bro.

00:43:07.680 You know, I just called it for what it is.

00:43:09.440 That was it. 0.99

00:43:10.320 And so when I got out of prison, you know, fuck, I had 400 bucks. 0.99

00:43:14.300 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:43:14.980 And I had bunches of people who were.

00:43:16.880 And what was your attitude like?

00:43:18.140 Because would you, I mean, because you had had, I mean, fiscally, maybe who knows what

00:43:22.920 you had in like your, you know, but you were at, I mean, just, yeah, you were at this superficial

00:43:30.220 level of a billionaire.

00:43:32.840 I mean, you were a superficial billionaire, not superficial.

00:43:35.940 Yes.

00:43:36.200 Right.

00:43:36.440 Like not you personally, but the, you know, the, the environment inside.

00:43:39.900 Yeah.

00:43:40.060 In your psyche, it's like, you think you're a billionaire.

00:43:43.100 Yeah, bro. 0.98

00:43:43.680 Let me tell you like this is, it was very fucking humbling, you know? 0.86

00:43:46.840 And, um, and what kept you like going at that point at those moments? 0.93

00:43:50.140 Like to, to know after from reading from people, so many success stories, there wasn't a shadow

00:43:55.800 of a doubt.

00:43:56.340 Like, so if you talk to me long enough, I, even outside of this, you'll see, I got a

00:43:59.120 shit ton of confidence.

00:44:00.700 I just believe like anything I attach myself to or put my, put my focus on.

00:44:05.060 And I just really focus on, I feel like I can have success.

00:44:07.320 You're going to do well with it.

00:44:08.080 I, there's not a shadow of a doubt.

00:44:10.600 Um, I don't even worry, like weary.

00:44:12.800 It's always been in you.

00:44:13.560 That's always been in you.

00:44:14.600 So even from football to whatever I do, I just feel like if I focus on something, I can

00:44:18.380 figure it out.

00:44:18.860 So I had read so many success stories and just the process of it.

00:44:23.040 And I'm very disciplined. 0.99

00:44:24.020 I got a fucking crazy work ethic. 0.99

00:44:25.520 These are things that I just know I can control. 1.00

00:44:27.340 Right.

00:44:27.900 And so I knew I would be successful in something.

00:44:30.680 And the thing I wanted to be successful in initially was senior care services.

00:44:34.240 Yeah.

00:44:34.600 And this happened from, I used to have eight ladies. 0.99

00:44:36.940 I used to call them my golden girls.

00:44:38.080 Uh huh.

00:44:38.440 These are old ladies who said we identify with people who are incarcerated because as

00:44:43.420 our children grow up, they forget about us.

00:44:45.400 Oh, wow.

00:44:46.340 And they start to live their families.

00:44:47.580 They start to like live their lives.

00:44:49.340 It's a huge problem in America.

00:44:50.360 A lot of senior citizens are really forgotten about.

00:44:52.360 A lot of men up in homes where they're not being cared for appropriately.

00:44:55.740 So I had people who told me that.

00:44:57.640 And so they said, these are just real needs.

00:45:00.000 So they all said this, but they weren't from one place.

00:45:02.200 They were just Ohio State fans.

00:45:03.600 Right.

00:45:04.100 And Maurice Claret fans.

00:45:05.120 Right.

00:45:05.640 As I said, man, this would be a cool deal to learn it, to understand it, but to provide

00:45:09.820 care, transportation and so on and so forth.

00:45:12.120 That was the initial thing.

00:45:13.400 But from seeing so much success or reading from so much success, I was like, I can actually

00:45:17.900 do this.

00:45:18.480 And that was my motivation.

00:45:19.700 I just like, I'll put myself together at some point.

00:45:21.680 And so I ended up getting out of prison in 2010.

00:45:24.280 And I had an opportunity to play football for a minor league team in Omaha, Nebraska. 0.99

00:45:30.420 Great fucking city. 0.99

00:45:31.740 If anybody's never been to Omaha. 0.99

00:45:33.720 And so I went out to Omaha and I thought that Omaha was going to be like full of just 0.99

00:45:37.580 fucking cornfields and everything else. 0.99

00:45:39.200 And it wasn't. 0.99

00:45:40.100 And it was some of the most down to earth American. 0.99

00:45:43.680 It's the most American place that you can fucking name. 0.99

00:45:46.860 And from small businesses to people who were fucking millionaires, billionaires, driving 1.00

00:45:52.940 pickup trucks, simple, everyday shit from people who were so successful. 0.99

00:45:57.540 But what Omaha also allowed me to do was to adjust slowly. 0.97

00:46:01.140 So I got out here.

00:46:02.460 I was able to play football, go to the gym, come home, talk to my family and just do like 0.99

00:46:07.800 simple shit. 0.99

00:46:08.820 Some safe regimen in a safe environment. 1.00

00:46:10.640 Safe regimen.

00:46:11.240 But I also, I want to talk about this.

00:46:13.280 Like this is one of the greatest experiences in Omaha, aside from playing football. 0.99

00:46:16.960 When I was in prison, I had read so much from Warren Buffett, fucking shit, tons of information. 0.99

00:46:22.640 When I went to Omaha, I knew Warren Buffett was out there and things like that. 1.00

00:46:25.940 Right.

00:46:26.520 So our coach ended up being this guy by the name of Joe Moglia.

00:46:30.820 Joe Moglia had made probably $400 million.

00:46:33.220 He ended up leaving as the active CEO of TD Ameritrade.

00:46:36.880 He ended up becoming the chairman of the board.

00:46:39.540 So out of all things he wanted to do, he wanted to get back into coaching football.

00:46:43.120 He ended up coming back to be the head coach of our team.

00:46:45.740 So every Wednesday he would tell guys like, hey, if you have anything that you want to

00:46:49.020 ask financially, come and meet me on Wednesdays.

00:46:51.460 Wow.

00:46:52.440 Out of everybody, only two of us showed up.

00:46:54.880 Right.

00:46:55.300 Every week. 1.00

00:46:56.080 So he said, fuck that. 0.99

00:46:57.220 I'm not about to keep on making this available. 1.00

00:46:58.700 The guys had no fucking clue of what he was offering. 0.99

00:47:01.000 Valuable information from a motherfucking titan. 0.99

00:47:03.940 Right. 0.99

00:47:04.520 So he said, Maurice, come to the golf course with me.

00:47:06.300 I'm like, yo, bro, I can't play golf.

00:47:07.940 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:08.940 He said, just come to the golf course.

00:47:10.880 Tell me a story. 1.00

00:47:11.480 How the fuck did you go from prison to ending up here? 0.99

00:47:13.840 So I told him my whole story. 0.99

00:47:15.300 After I'm done, he said, I've never asked Warren for a favor in my life.

00:47:19.100 Let me see if I can call Warren Buffett and get him to meet you. 0.99

00:47:21.440 So I'm thinking to myself like, motherfucker, I'm 18 months from prison. 1.00

00:47:24.580 Like, this motherfucker ain't about to meet with my black ass. 1.00

00:47:26.840 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:47:27.860 So I walk into my apartment and serious shit. 0.99

00:47:32.460 Yeah, you know it's true, right? 0.99

00:47:34.100 This is funny, man. 1.00

00:47:36.080 So he's like, yeah, Warren Buffett ain't fucking about to meet with my black ass, right? 1.00

00:47:39.780 So I walk through the fucking joint. 1.00

00:47:42.320 I'm walking through the apartment. 1.00

00:47:43.360 He hit my phone up.

00:47:44.060 He's like, Maurice.

00:47:45.300 He said, you know, this is Warren. 1.00

00:47:47.160 And I'm like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:47:48.960 You know, because I remember his voice distinctly because I used to watch Charlie Rose in prison. 1.00

00:47:53.540 I used to watch this motherfucker interview everybody, right? 0.99

00:47:55.820 And so Charlie Rose is my man, right? 0.99

00:47:58.400 Minus the allegations, right?

00:48:01.440 Hey, I'm not convicted, my man.

00:48:03.800 It is what it is, right?

00:48:04.900 Yeah.

00:48:05.360 And so I end up going, right?

00:48:11.540 I end up calling him, right?

00:48:12.460 Or he end up calling me.

00:48:13.380 I'm talking to him on the phone.

00:48:14.740 And he's like, yo, you got anything I'm doing on Saturday?

00:48:16.820 I'm like, yo, whatever going on Saturday is canceled.

00:48:19.120 Don't even worry about that, right? 0.90

00:48:21.040 And so I'm getting my shit together.

00:48:22.740 So I go to TJ Maxx at the time. 0.99

00:48:24.340 I get, like, my fucking outfit. 0.99

00:48:25.660 I think, like, it's the best thing. 1.00

00:48:27.340 You know, I'm broke as shit. 0.99

00:48:28.260 So I go over to his house. 0.99

00:48:29.520 I go over to his office.

00:48:30.600 And ironically, the person who had a meeting before him had canceled.

00:48:34.040 And he was like, yo, do you want to hang out?

00:48:36.220 And I'm like, you serious?

00:48:37.980 And I'm like, yeah, like, you want to hang out?

00:48:39.680 So we're sitting there one-on-one for five hours, right? 0.83

00:48:42.820 And so I'm asking to do everything I ever, like, fucking dreamed of. 0.99

00:48:47.680 And it was, like, cool shit that happened. 0.98

00:48:49.660 Was he preaching at you or was he cool to talk to? 0.99

00:48:52.380 Dude, this dude, so he reads a fucking ton. 0.89

00:48:56.360 So it's easy for him to have a thoughtful, intellectual, personal conversation. 0.99

00:49:01.480 This was Saturday. 0.97

00:49:03.060 This dude is more fucking humble and down-to-earth than anybody I've ever fucking met, right? 0.99

00:49:11.720 This dude controls fucking a shit ton of our world. 0.99

00:49:14.640 Did you think about even asking him for, like, a million? 0.99

00:49:16.500 I would have asked him for this.

00:49:16.900 Yeah, for a million.

00:49:18.460 And I would have called it a small million.

00:49:20.320 Let me get a small million.

00:49:21.360 A small million, yeah, right? 0.99

00:49:23.140 I'm telling you, this dude was just, like, he was, like, fucking, he was zoned in. 0.99

00:49:27.140 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

00:49:28.200 And so the next thing you know, we end up meeting and getting together. 0.99

00:49:31.560 And I ended the meeting and fucking was like, yo, I know you got better shit to do than talk to me, right? 1.00

00:49:37.100 You fucking run the world. 1.00

00:49:38.560 And the next thing you know, I rolled out to, excuse me, I rolled out back home. 1.00

00:49:43.460 A few months after that, ESPN reached out to me.

00:49:46.420 And they said, hey, can we do a 30 for 30 on your life?

00:49:48.140 Yeah, I saw it.

00:49:49.380 And after that, it took about eight months to shoot the show.

00:49:52.980 And I woke up one day after the show came out, and I had 1,100.

00:49:56.180 And I remember literally 1,100 emails from people just either talking and asking to come and speak.

00:50:02.060 I didn't never, I've never done public speaking prior to that.

00:50:04.980 And I ended up just going on the road and starting to tell my story and ask questions and answer questions.

00:50:10.520 And from there, I ended up getting into the transportation business because I got tired of, it literally felt as I was traveling.

00:50:17.420 And I'm pretty sure anybody who's traveled a lot, you can feel lonely.

00:50:20.100 As cool as it may look to the outside, you're in a hotel by yourself, you're a spectacle once you get on stage.

00:50:27.720 After you get off stage, you're taking a picture, you're talking hands, and next thing you know, you're thinking about what other city you're going to next.

00:50:33.340 And so I had done about 350 speaking engagements in three years, which is a fuck ton.

00:50:37.820 You know what I'm saying? 0.67

00:50:38.180 That's a lot, yeah.

00:50:38.900 After a while, I feel like you're just repeating words.

00:50:40.620 And I was like, okay, let me get into another business because I don't want to depend on this my whole life.

00:50:44.960 I can't force somebody to book me for an engagement, right?

00:50:48.080 Right.

00:50:48.320 And so from there, I ended up getting into transportation.

00:50:50.760 And after transportation was doing what it did for a couple of years, I ended up going to an event in Ohio.

00:50:58.060 And I was doing the event.

00:50:59.860 And through the process of doing the event, the event had ended.

00:51:02.400 And there was a person, a gentleman who had been teaching some young men who were about like 17 or 18 years old, some of the work that we had done in prison.

00:51:09.380 And I was like, yo, my man, where did you get this stuff from?

00:51:11.620 It was cognitive behavioral therapy.

00:51:13.200 It was an exercise with the activating event, the mind activity, the body reaction, the consequence.

00:51:17.220 And this was stuff that I had helped to facilitate in prison.

00:51:20.600 Wow.

00:51:21.100 It's one of the things they teach you in licensed clinical social work.

00:51:23.520 It's one of the things they teach in the first year.

00:51:24.940 It's like one of the CBT.

00:51:26.400 Yes, sir.

00:51:27.000 Yes, sir.

00:51:27.880 And what ended up happening was that I just like enjoying what he was talking about.

00:51:31.580 I was like, you know, what do you do?

00:51:32.960 And he was like, you know, I run a behavioral health agency. 0.99

00:51:34.900 And I said, what the fuck is a behavioral health agency? 0.97

00:51:37.280 He was like, I work with mental health and drug and alcohol. 0.99

00:51:39.760 And for me having so many issues with drugs and alcohol.

00:51:41.740 You're like, this is my, yeah, this is my home.

00:51:44.140 This is my home.

00:51:44.880 But even going through that work in prison, I felt that out of everything that was helping to rehabilitate guys, the actual work, the social work, right?

00:51:55.040 The therapeutic services were the things that guys would come back to the block and talk about and have intellectual discussions.

00:52:01.100 Or guys would become revealing about themselves in a therapeutic format.

00:52:04.400 And I thought to myself, like, more kids in the inner city need to basically be involved and connected with this.

00:52:11.740 So I went through, like, an eight-month process of policies and procedures.

00:52:15.800 We go through that whole deal.

00:52:17.580 And in the process of doing that, I ended up opening up our company called The Red Zone.

00:52:20.840 And at first, we went back to literally inner cities.

00:52:23.040 And I thought that there was so much emotionally.

00:52:25.760 Like, I was thinking about to my childhood, the amount of murders I had seen, the amount of domestic violence and robberies.

00:52:31.060 And just the amount of trauma that I had been experiencing that I never processed.

00:52:34.980 Right.

00:52:35.160 I never emotionally got over it.

00:52:36.600 Right. 0.99

00:52:36.820 I was functioning from, like, a space of fear or where the drugs and alcohol masked, like, some of my childhood shit. 0.99

00:52:43.320 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:52:43.940 Yeah, you keep it inside of you.

00:52:45.340 And did you, your father wasn't present when you were growing up?

00:52:48.080 No.

00:52:48.500 You know, so I was born in 83 and my mother divorced in 84.

00:52:51.780 I see, yeah.

00:52:52.300 And so, like, my mother never down-talked him or made him out to be a bad person.

00:52:57.200 But just through their disconnect, like, there just wasn't any male involvement.

00:53:01.840 So, my mother worked as a second-year educational coordinator at a medical school. 0.68

00:53:05.840 So, she worked 45 minutes away. 0.80

00:53:07.900 So, as a result from that, the kids come home alone a lot.

00:53:11.120 Yeah.

00:53:11.320 So, now the neighborhood and the environment raises you.

00:53:13.660 Starts to raise you, yeah.

00:53:14.800 And so, how I found, I mean, obviously, I've known about you, right?

00:53:17.760 Okay.

00:53:17.940 And a lot of people, like, when I said Maurice Claret's going to come on the podcast, you know, I listen to his podcast, Business and Biceps, you and Corey and John.

00:53:26.000 And it's a great hang.

00:53:28.340 It's like, you know, I recommend checking out their podcast because it's a fun, it's like, I don't know what it is.

00:53:36.980 I can't feel like, I can't tell if I feel like I'm at the gym or the office or the therapist.

00:53:43.120 That's what I can't tell, but that's what I like about it.

00:53:45.620 But I'm glad you feel that because that's the intention.

00:53:48.480 And it's exactly what I feel.

00:53:50.080 It's like there's moments where it's like, okay, this is uplifting and this is inspiring.

00:53:54.120 And then there's moments where it's like, it's just guys, like, joking around.

00:53:57.340 It feels like a fantasy football league.

00:53:59.020 And then there's moments where it's like, you know, the other day you guys were talking about loyalty and stuff like that.

00:54:05.200 And even if I don't resonate with everything that's said on the podcast, and we're going to have Corey and John in in just a few minutes, even if I don't resonate with everything,

00:54:12.600 there's just, every now and then it makes me think of something.

00:54:16.100 Like, oh, loyalty makes me, just hearing about loyalty makes me think, oh, well, you know, let me think back into my life.

00:54:21.220 Loyalty, if I were to go back and make a list of who's been loyal to me in my life.

00:54:24.720 It's just, you know, it's fun to hear just things that you hear you're then inspired to think about.

00:54:29.660 But I think one of the biggest things, we talked about this last night at dinner, and the focal point even is just to bring, like, real things that you feel.

00:54:39.960 Yeah.

00:54:40.180 And I'm a real big feel person, right?

00:54:41.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:41.760 If you don't feel it as you're saying it, it's not real.

00:54:45.540 It's not entertainment, right? 0.96

00:54:46.760 And when we talk about business, and you talk about growing business, from our business standpoint, we try to talk about things that are actually real and not like the cute pictures and videos and bullshit bitch music on Instagram that, like, misleads kids. 0.97

00:55:02.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

00:55:02.380 Oh, 100%, especially young kids.

00:55:04.140 Yes, and so you can be mislead. 0.97

00:55:06.160 And so if you've given me your time, a fucking hour, just think about this, right? 0.95

00:55:09.440 So people are giving you an hour of their fucking day or 40 minutes or 30 minutes or however long the format is, right? 0.97

00:55:16.660 You kind of owe it to them if they believe in you and they're giving you an ear to be thoughtful and pure with your entertainment and to give a message that's real. 0.96

00:55:24.840 And so that way, like, at the core level, so I heard Denzel say this on Charlie Rose.

00:55:31.100 He said, from the specific comes the universal.

00:55:33.540 So if you can connect to yourself and get down to specific emotion, I'm pretty sure that may work in comedy, right?

00:55:37.980 Like, you're drawing from something. 0.99

00:55:39.900 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:55:40.940 Like, you're drawing from something. 0.99

00:55:43.100 That's how it connects to people because people are like, oh, I feel that.

00:55:45.200 I can laugh from it, right?

00:55:46.240 Yeah.

00:55:46.580 This connects somewhere.

00:55:48.080 And so the podcast is a format of things that, like, I've actually been through, things that we actually experience.

00:55:53.960 Yeah.

00:55:55.620 And having a level of entertainment that doesn't seem cheesy, phony, or, like, commercial.

00:56:01.900 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:03.820 But that's real.

00:56:05.260 Yeah.

00:56:05.480 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:05.860 And so, like, you have, you also have an element to where people who have come from humble beginnings.

00:56:12.320 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:12.800 Corey literally comes from the trailer parks.

00:56:15.200 John comes from a poor background in Chicago.

00:56:17.120 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:17.280 You know, very, I come from the hood in fucking Youngstown. 0.99

00:56:20.600 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:20.760 And it's a great voice that's out there.

00:56:22.080 I mean, that's one of the things that I really like about you guys, Cass, is that, yeah, it connects, like, it's the Midwest, you know?

00:56:28.700 Yes.

00:56:28.880 It's hardworking.

00:56:29.640 You know, our producer, Nick, is from Wisconsin.

00:56:33.260 It's like, and he's one of the hardest workers I know.

00:56:35.300 It's like, you know, it's a voice that's not out there as much these days, I feel like, or that you can't find on the coast anyway.

00:56:43.240 And so it's, you know, that's what I really love listening about it.

00:56:45.740 But I've got a couple more questions for you, and then we're going to take a break for a few minutes and get Corey and John in here.

00:56:51.360 Gotcha.

00:56:51.740 And we're going to do another hour with the guys.

00:56:54.260 And some listener questions as well.

00:56:56.300 Oh, yeah.

00:56:56.560 We've got some listeners and questions as well.

00:56:58.160 I just want to ask you this.

00:56:59.100 Do you feel like you were always going to be – do you feel like football was supposed to be your thing?

00:57:13.540 Or do you feel like that you were always going to be good at something?

00:57:19.080 I don't know if that's a wild question or not.

00:57:20.660 No, it's not.

00:57:22.280 I don't think when I was young – I think football when I was young was a way to fit in and grab friends, right?

00:57:28.180 Yeah.

00:57:28.360 I think I didn't necessarily like football.

00:57:31.400 I liked to work hard.

00:57:32.400 Right.

00:57:32.820 And I also looked at football as a vehicle to get out of my situation.

00:57:37.240 Right.

00:57:37.440 But I didn't love football.

00:57:38.980 Didn't love it at all.

00:57:39.820 I love the element of competing but not football as much as that.

00:57:45.740 And the older I get and I started to realize the science of working hard and understanding what you're working towards and being clear at that, I have a confidence.

00:57:55.640 Not to sound arrogant, but I believe that I can be successful at whatever it is I choose to put my attention to.

00:58:01.820 And so I don't know if that answers the question, but I still feel like I'll be great at something because I know how to just like connect with my feelings.

00:58:12.160 And I know anything that I may be connected to will be connected to what's real and not even a commercial success.

00:58:18.160 Like, you know, I'll be successful just because I'll be doing shit that makes me happy. 0.94

00:58:22.480 Right. 0.97

00:58:22.600 Like, as corny and cliche as it may sound, but this, like, sitting down makes me happy.

00:58:26.520 Yeah.

00:58:26.840 Talking to you.

00:58:27.340 Oh, I can tell, man.

00:58:28.140 Look, when I was watching 30 for 30, I mean, I was, I mean, I was teared up at one point, like, just seeing you, like, you know, you could just kind of tell, I don't know, just that you were just a really deep person emotionally, you know?

00:58:42.820 Yeah.

00:58:43.020 And that, and I'm that, I'm that same way, you know, and I noticed when I'm growing up, if I didn't have, like, somebody to tell me that it was okay to be that way, then it's like, I was always, didn't know what was going on with my emotions, you know?

00:58:56.460 Absolutely.

00:58:57.100 And so then you have this whole life where you have these emotions, but you don't know if it's even okay to think about them or how to feel or.

00:59:03.320 But just imagine you pioneering a space for that to be cool.

00:59:06.560 Right.

00:59:07.000 Yes.

00:59:07.120 Right.

00:59:07.340 So, so now if I look up to you, if I look up to Maurice, I look up to anybody, now this guy talking about it, now, like, this is a real thing.

00:59:14.780 Yeah.

00:59:15.180 Now this, it's cool to be indifferent about my emotions.

00:59:18.880 It's cool to be, not cool, but being sad is normal.

00:59:22.080 Being confused is normal.

00:59:23.200 Having anxiety is normal.

00:59:24.380 Right.

00:59:25.160 Feeling indifferent about different things. 0.91

00:59:26.780 Like, and so even as you say that, it just, it just affirms and gives confirmation that that's the road I keep on needing to travel because there's more people who fucking putting your voice in the ear on a consistent basis who needs that. 0.67

00:59:39.520 Yeah.

00:59:39.720 And that helps them to heal or to be whole as they're moving forward.

00:59:43.640 Oh, it's a good, it's an amazing gift, man.

00:59:45.640 I mean, it's, I think you have that.

00:59:47.200 I really feel like you have that gift.

00:59:48.800 Like, to a remarkable level of anybody that I've, you know, listened to or heard or, yeah, I don't know.

00:59:55.340 I just, I have this, like, you just have an uncanny ability to iterate comfortably to others, like, kind of how you feel and then also how it kind of fits into what you're doing, you know?

01:00:09.900 Because sometimes it's so hard to connect those two, you know?

01:00:13.400 It's so hard to connect those two and still stay confident in it and moving forward, you know?

01:00:17.160 Oh, I get it.

01:00:18.100 I get it.

01:00:18.800 But I don't know.

01:00:20.240 Do you feel like that's a blessing?

01:00:21.720 Do you feel like that's a learned thing?

01:00:23.200 Yeah.

01:00:23.640 I don't, I think it's a learned from experience, but I believe it's a blessing because it allows me to walk as a whole person everywhere I go.

01:00:32.940 Yeah.

01:00:33.400 And I don't have to bring a representative.

01:00:36.120 I don't have to, like, I get to be me, you know?

01:00:41.040 Like, if I would have did this podcast 10 years ago, I would have said, man, I care about my jeans, what my shoes are going to look like.

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.500 I got on a $5 red hot chili pepper shirt on.

01:00:51.720 I don't even know who they are.

01:00:52.820 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:53.260 But I like the shirt.

01:00:54.060 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:55.220 He thought it was from maybe a farmer's market.

01:00:57.580 No.

01:00:58.340 I got on $30 Levi's.

01:00:59.960 And we got red hot chili peppers right here.

01:01:01.660 That's ironic.

01:01:02.200 We just got this plant.

01:01:03.860 You feel it coming from?

01:01:04.580 No, I feel you.

01:01:05.280 And I don't, this is, I honestly, this is the most dressed up I've got because honestly, I was so excited about you guys coming in.

01:01:10.800 Oh, I appreciate it.

01:01:11.400 I appreciate it.

01:01:12.240 But.

01:01:12.680 I feel, yeah, I just feel, yeah, like I listen to you and I feel like you really embody a lot of what we want, you know, like what we try to do here.

01:01:21.000 You know, we got a lot, a lot of our listeners are young men that have struggled, you know, and that, you know, have struggled, you know, being raised by single parents, that sort of thing.

01:01:29.300 And, and yeah, I'm just, I'm glad that to be able to help turn some of our listeners on you guys' podcast, because I think that there's a, you know, you guys have a wealth of knowledge in a fun way and emotional knowledge to offer people, man.

01:01:41.500 Gotcha.

01:01:41.820 No, I, I, even so they gave me, when they told me who you were before, I purposely did not look at you because I said, okay, I looked at something on IG and I said, okay, I don't want to form an opinion of somebody.

01:01:52.960 Yeah.

01:01:53.300 And then, but because you want to, like, you want to go and have like the natural energy of something.

01:01:57.960 And even through talking, you could tell if something is forced, you can tell the energy and you could tell if it isn't right. 0.55

01:02:02.860 But when I was on the plane yesterday, I was coming down, I don't know where the fuck we were at, but I said, man, everything feels right. 0.67

01:02:08.840 Right. 0.68

01:02:09.660 And so, you know, this stuff feels right.

01:02:11.020 Yeah.

01:02:11.300 Like, oh yeah, a hundred percent.

01:02:13.040 Things feel right, but not only feel right.

01:02:16.280 And, you know, we talked about this at dinner, like, I know why they feel right.

01:02:19.620 And I know how you can push the gas for things to get better than what they are, look better what they are.

01:02:25.380 And if anybody, like, has ever felt that feeling, that's like a beautiful feeling to have.

01:02:30.560 Yeah. 0.82

01:02:31.200 And to know you yourself, I'm not drinking, drugging, I'm not fucking being bad towards my woman. 0.94

01:02:39.140 I'm not fucking sleeping around.

01:02:41.360 I'm great to the guys and we have a good relationship. 0.97

01:02:44.140 It's powerful, huh?

01:02:45.260 You feel where I'm coming from?

01:02:46.640 Yeah.

01:02:46.760 And the stuff that we're talking about is stuff that you can, like, actually say, this is what I do.

01:02:50.920 And the preservation of that in a society right now where so much is driven off side of let me look cool and let me promote what's fake.

01:03:01.920 I think that even you, we owe it to people to provide platforms to be like, okay, like humanity still does exist.

01:03:08.660 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:09.840 Right.

01:03:10.220 That's a, no, I get that.

01:03:12.420 There's something about you.

01:03:13.480 You don't, you almost, you don't like to be the center of attention in a weird way.

01:03:18.460 No.

01:03:18.920 Or you get, or the way it makes you feel doesn't land super well inside of you.

01:03:24.920 Like this, the center of attention is too much, it's too much responsibility, my man.

01:03:29.060 You know, and, and, and I would be the center of attention if it was simple.

01:03:33.460 Right.

01:03:33.720 You know, and, and that thing, but sometimes.

01:03:35.960 But a lot comes with the center of attention.

01:03:37.220 Yeah.

01:03:37.380 Because you're whored out. 1.00

01:03:38.920 Yeah.

01:03:39.200 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:39.720 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:39.940 You become a whore and you can get involved in things that financially make sense or look cool, but just may not be you. 1.00

01:03:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:47.160 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

01:03:47.600 And I don't want to be anybody's whore. 0.99

01:03:49.660 I don't want to be a product whore. 0.99

01:03:50.880 I don't want to be a system whore. 0.93

01:03:52.120 I don't want to be standing next to people. 0.97

01:03:53.700 If I really don't like you and I really don't believe what you value, I really don't want to be around you.

01:03:58.640 Like, and not from a hateful standpoint.

01:04:00.280 Right.

01:04:00.880 I just don't want to affiliate my being with your being.

01:04:03.440 Right.

01:04:03.860 And, um.

01:04:05.120 It's bad magnets right there.

01:04:06.520 Yeah.

01:04:06.640 But, but I think that, but, but that comes back to understanding why I love myself and I love myself from like I do right by my family.

01:04:14.260 Who do you, can you feel you, can you feel, is it easier to feel love now as an adult than it was when you were young?

01:04:19.060 A hundred percent.

01:04:19.980 A hundred percent.

01:04:20.680 But I think, I think it starts with self though, you know, cause now I love myself and I know who really loves me.

01:04:26.960 And, um, and, and I can, I can just tell like, is this a working relationship?

01:04:31.440 Is this a, you need something?

01:04:32.620 I can identify that clearly now.

01:04:34.600 Right.

01:04:35.060 And, um, and, and it is, is beautiful to have, uh, somebody to love you for you.

01:04:41.180 I'm talking about my woman.

01:04:42.120 I'm talking about my mother.

01:04:43.060 I'm talking about my daughter.

01:04:44.520 I'm even talking about what Corey and John.

01:04:46.820 Uh, and I think that, uh, like I can give you one thing about John.

01:04:50.000 Right.

01:04:50.200 So, uh, and this is John Fosco and he'll be in here in just a couple of minutes.

01:04:53.700 I know they're chomping at the bit.

01:04:54.780 They're watching on the live feed.

01:04:56.060 So just think about this, right?

01:04:57.100 So we were getting ready to do a show that were, that was revolved around sports.

01:05:00.100 And then John goes and watches, um, he watches the 30 for 30.

01:05:05.940 And after he watches the 30 for 30, the sporting show that we were going to do was a little bit 0.98

01:05:10.200 more hardcore and language was foul and all this other shit. 0.98

01:05:12.920 Right. 0.84

01:05:13.200 And so after watching the show, he had come back to Corey and say, yo, I don't really think

01:05:17.800 that that's direction that serves him well to put him in that light based upon the amount

01:05:22.060 of kids and people that he deals with.

01:05:23.860 Yeah.

01:05:24.240 And so to have that, uh, amount of consideration.

01:05:27.900 Right.

01:05:28.320 And doing that.

01:05:29.080 So Corey knew me already.

01:05:30.300 I mean, Corey had been buddies fucking eight, nine, 10 years or however long we've known each

01:05:34.760 other. 0.96

01:05:34.960 Right.

01:05:35.580 And so Corey already had like a level of like, you know, our connection, but for John to step

01:05:41.020 in and do that without even knowing me to recognize that in advance, to recognize the value.

01:05:45.840 Yes.

01:05:46.400 And, um, it just, it just spoke to a lot about that.

01:05:49.540 So like, you kind of know who you're around or, you know, what, like what's up with the

01:05:54.100 people around you. 0.96

01:05:54.680 So when you can do that and you can fucking sit and have a good meal and you can talk and 1.00

01:05:59.340 you can bullshit. 0.99

01:06:00.500 And when you get to the airport, you're laughing like little kids because you're happy that 0.99

01:06:03.760 it feels like a team is going somewhere to do something.

01:06:06.820 That's fun, huh?

01:06:07.400 Bro.

01:06:07.820 It's like, that's what you miss probably most about the sports.

01:06:10.500 That's a bad camaraderie.

01:06:12.400 There's nothing like it.

01:06:13.580 The brotherhood.

01:06:14.440 Bro, there's nothing like you and a group of guys who have a common interest and you 0.98

01:06:20.020 all working towards something and shit's starting to go right and you're figuring shit out and 0.89

01:06:24.560 you're having fun. 0.98

01:06:25.420 Team.

01:06:25.880 And you get, think about this, you're getting energized off of ideas.

01:06:29.140 Yeah.

01:06:29.640 Oh yeah. 0.99

01:06:30.080 That's not the, that's not the cool fucking Bentley and the cute music and all the bullshit 0.99

01:06:34.260 filters. 0.99

01:06:34.840 There's like, you're getting inspired from talking about an idea and like what this could

01:06:40.820 become. 0.99

01:06:41.300 That's like fucking dreaming. 0.99

01:06:42.640 That's like, you know, that has nothing to do with nothing else other than creative thought. 1.00

01:06:47.920 It doesn't have to do with women and fucking fake titties and ass shots and all that stupid 1.00

01:06:52.140 shit. 1.00

01:06:52.920 Like, you know, there's a, there's a, there's like, just think about how you may get excited 1.00

01:06:57.500 about somebody who may comes onto your show.

01:06:59.860 You're thinking, where could this go?

01:07:01.480 Who can we affect?

01:07:02.420 How will they receive this?

01:07:03.800 What are comments looking like?

01:07:05.000 Did I give my all to the show?

01:07:06.680 That is beautiful, bro.

01:07:08.220 Oh, it's a fee.

01:07:08.800 It's a real fee.

01:07:09.680 It's visceral.

01:07:10.360 You get it in your body, in your chest.

01:07:12.300 It runs up my neck.

01:07:13.240 I can feel when, when things are, when it's real, you know?

01:07:17.180 And then when you're done, you're like, this is work well done.

01:07:19.260 You go to sleep satisfied.

01:07:20.480 Yes.

01:07:20.880 Cause you're not cheating anybody.

01:07:22.280 You're not, you're, you're putting something good out into the world.

01:07:24.820 You're being rewarded for it.

01:07:26.260 Yes, sir.

01:07:26.620 And, uh, yeah, it's a, it is a really different and comfortable way to, to sleep.

01:07:31.360 Um, yeah, I remember when I would go into AA meetings, one of the best times I ever had

01:07:35.540 and still have are, I remember sitting down between two guys that I knew in meetings, from

01:07:40.500 meetings.

01:07:40.880 And I sat there and they were both laughing, were joking around.

01:07:44.320 And I was like, man, this is interesting.

01:07:46.120 All I really wanted.

01:07:47.020 And I was just started tearing up.

01:07:48.500 I was like, all I wanted my whole life really was just to sit around and joke with, with,

01:07:52.800 with guys.

01:07:53.520 And I've been chasing these other things that have made me try to feel, feel whatever

01:07:56.820 this little feeling is right here, just to be in a little group and have fun, you know,

01:08:01.300 like I've been chasing this, you know, or, you know, you think about other stuff or do

01:08:04.880 other things.

01:08:05.320 Like you're saying, you go after like the shiny trinkets, you know, but you, but I was like,

01:08:09.960 man, it just, I don't know, just to have some sort of a little bit of a brotherhood.

01:08:13.920 I was about to ask, Pastor Brotherhood, what is it else that you think that you're getting

01:08:17.120 from that moment?

01:08:17.800 Um, it was nice to know that these people cared about me because we'd all agreed to

01:08:23.720 meet there and we all showed up.

01:08:25.620 And so like they cared, you know, and I knew they cared about me.

01:08:29.820 And so that made me feel when I knew somebody else cared about me, it made me feel good.

01:08:36.220 Like, so, so, so did it, did it, um, and, and this is one thing I like about meetings,

01:08:41.560 right?

01:08:42.040 It allows me to comfortably put my vulnerabilities in front of people.

01:08:45.640 Yeah.

01:08:46.580 You feel what I'm coming from?

01:08:47.200 Oh yeah.

01:08:47.540 Yeah.

01:08:47.700 A hundred percent.

01:08:48.540 Oh yeah.

01:08:48.840 I know I could talk to them and say anything to them, but I don't know.

01:08:51.960 There was just something about being flanked by two people that I knew were like, were

01:08:55.100 like almost like brothers, you know?

01:08:56.660 Yes.

01:08:57.060 It just felt, uh, like a childlike love.

01:08:59.480 Yes.

01:09:00.100 That's what it felt like.

01:09:01.080 It felt like something that I'd never really had that I've been wanting my whole life.

01:09:04.900 So I guess the question, like, so when we see people are more people, you know, cause 1.00

01:09:09.660 like you're like, I always say it by like you weren't birthed out of your mother's pussy to 1.00

01:09:13.280 become an abuser of drugs or alcoholic, you know, and you're chasing a feeling, right? 1.00

01:09:19.960 That's why I'm real big into feel.

01:09:21.700 Yeah.

01:09:21.800 That's what I'm into, man.

01:09:22.720 And that's one that when I saw, I was just like, man, we, I would, we have got to have

01:09:26.960 Maurice Claret and I'm just so excited.

01:09:29.160 And, uh, and then when I got turned on to the podcast even more, I'm like, oh, this

01:09:32.620 is great.

01:09:33.060 This is a, this is like a fun, goofy, educational, but also heartfelt place where I can hang out.

01:09:39.240 Um, let's get the guys in here and then we'll go to the video questions and do that then.

01:09:42.280 Okay.

01:09:42.680 They're pretty Maurice specific.

01:09:44.500 They are?

01:09:44.940 Yeah.

01:09:45.480 Um, or let's, let's rattle off one or two.

01:09:47.360 We'll just make it a long episode.

01:09:48.540 Yeah.

01:09:48.820 Yeah.

01:09:49.000 I was, I emailed those guys.

01:09:50.360 I was like, we'll still do a full hour with you.

01:09:52.040 Oh yeah.

01:09:52.380 Definitely.

01:09:52.660 If you got no place to go.

01:09:53.560 And we have nothing to do.

01:09:54.500 Oh yeah.

01:09:54.940 Yeah.

01:09:55.200 So we're not going to be cutting it short at all.

01:09:57.120 I have a couple of quick ones.

01:09:58.500 Okay.

01:09:58.860 Uh, when you had your cops, uh, chase, yes, I might have gotten some bad detail.

01:10:03.600 Did you have a katana in the car?

01:10:05.620 A katana?

01:10:06.180 What is a blade?

01:10:06.800 Like a blade, a big sword.

01:10:08.280 Oh no, I had a, no, you had a bad information.

01:10:12.380 Gotta ask.

01:10:13.320 Great question.

01:10:14.120 No.

01:10:14.520 So here is the thing.

01:10:16.280 There was a hatchet in the car already. 0.99

01:10:18.900 So it was like a fucking, it was like, um, it was like a, uh, a fucking, you know, 0.99

01:10:25.720 like a meat cleaver. 1.00

01:10:27.120 Hang on, dude.

01:10:28.320 Who are you paring cars from, man?

01:10:30.240 Hey.

01:10:30.660 Paul Bunyan dealership?

01:10:31.880 No, it was my, it was my uncle's car. 0.98

01:10:33.760 He had like a fucking, uh, like a little tool that he used for the yard. 0.95

01:10:37.140 I, I did have four guns though. 0.98

01:10:38.820 I have four, I have four guns.

01:10:40.120 Yeah, you weren't going to need the hatchet.

01:10:41.500 No, I didn't need the hatchet.

01:10:42.440 That's a more logical weapon.

01:10:43.900 That's a more logical weapon.

01:10:44.560 Yeah.

01:10:44.880 Uh, but, and here's a, here's a, oh, and one more in prison before you realized that

01:10:50.300 like, that wasn't for you.

01:10:51.620 And you were talking about their scuffles all the time. 0.97

01:10:53.300 And like, I'm sure there's gangs and stuff, but were people fucking with you? 0.82

01:10:56.720 Cause most, I'm sure one on one. 0.71

01:10:58.720 So no, there was, there was Michigan fans. 0.99

01:11:00.880 No, no, there was, no, there was, there was shit talking, but then prison is also an environment 0.99

01:11:06.480 that is very clear. 1.00

01:11:08.240 It's either you're into the shit or you're out of the shit. 1.00

01:11:10.500 Right. 1.00

01:11:11.000 And it was clear that I was out of the shit, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

01:11:13.560 And so, uh, even as you walk around, I'm not being boastful for myself, but there's a 0.99

01:11:18.100 lot of tough guys in prison, but I'm not a bitch myself. 0.93

01:11:20.460 Right. 0.97

01:11:20.700 You know what I'm saying?

01:11:21.140 And so you walk around with a demeanor and your demeanor is like, whatever is whatever, 0.99

01:11:26.560 you know, rather motherfucker want to fight, rather you want to do whatever. 0.97

01:11:29.680 And so guys can feel it on you. 0.99

01:11:31.300 You know, it's an aura.

01:11:32.200 Like, and you didn't have it.

01:11:34.000 I'm not a chump, you know what I'm saying?

01:11:35.340 On any level, but I'm not the toughest guy in prison.

01:11:38.120 And I, and I humbly say that because there's a, anybody, you know, who really runs the 0.64

01:11:42.640 prisons are Mexicans, you know, Mexicans, the Mexicans run America these days. 1.00

01:11:46.760 The guy who has the power is the guy who's willing to take it the furthest.

01:11:50.600 These guys, these Mexican guys in prison, just based upon where they're from, they don't 1.00

01:11:56.660 care about dying.

01:11:57.560 Yeah.

01:11:57.840 They're ready to go to heaven, bro. 0.99

01:11:59.200 They don't, these dudes do not give a fuck about dying. 1.00

01:12:03.420 I give a fuck about dying. 1.00

01:12:06.040 That's it. 1.00

01:12:07.200 That's it.

01:12:08.260 That's the finish line.

01:12:09.460 I'm 50 pounds lighter than you.

01:12:11.220 I'm not fighting you. 1.00

01:12:12.320 I'm going to stab you. 1.00

01:12:13.800 I'm cool. 1.00

01:12:15.100 I know my boundaries.

01:12:16.700 You win.

01:12:17.480 That's it.

01:12:18.420 Yeah.

01:12:18.680 They, a lot of, a lot of guys have just like so many, like the tattoo, the rosary, they're

01:12:22.520 already, they almost just have like a funeral tattooed on their chest. 0.99

01:12:25.720 Like, damn, are you ready to die? 0.99

01:12:27.500 You got your whole family standing around a casket on your chest? 1.00

01:12:30.120 It's a wrap.

01:12:31.460 Let's get to one of these video questions real fast.

01:12:33.640 Word.

01:12:35.120 What's going on?

01:12:35.880 Theo Bong, gang gang.

01:12:37.980 And then what's up to Maurice?

01:12:40.460 I'm a big fan of both of you guys, and I've been watching this past weekend since the beginning,

01:12:46.080 and I decided to call him for a question or a video in a question.

01:12:51.440 And so my question for Maurice is, what led to you choosing Ohio State to play football at?

01:12:58.960 And is there any advice you'd give me as a running back when picking what schools I'd like to go to?

01:13:05.980 So thank you both, and, you know, have a good day.

01:13:11.640 Yeah, well, Ohio State didn't offer me a scholarship.

01:13:14.800 I decided to go to Ohio State and told them I was coming, and that was it.

01:13:21.600 I knew I wanted to go to Ohio State.

01:13:22.860 I knew the guys who were there, they weren't better than me.

01:13:25.960 You know, I was a lot more arrogant then, and I think you have to be arrogant and decisive

01:13:30.200 within your decision making to understand if a guy is better than you or not

01:13:32.900 and go where you feel that you want to go, not where you feel like maybe cool.

01:13:38.080 There's a lot of young guys who go to schools because they think the school is cool,

01:13:40.680 but it isn't a good fit for their skill set, you know, understanding your skill set.

01:13:45.580 But the biggest thing I can give advice to the guys, understand your skill set.

01:13:48.660 What do I do well, and does that translate to this environment right here?

01:13:52.200 Right.

01:13:52.700 Plan ahead.

01:13:53.340 That's a business assessment.

01:13:54.040 Yes, yes.

01:13:54.720 And so I understood very well my skill set and what I did,

01:13:58.520 and then I looked at their offense, and it was the same thing.

01:14:00.940 And I went to go meet the guys, and I went to these guys,

01:14:05.000 and Mike Tyson is my greatest person I want to meet, him and Jim Carrey.

01:14:08.440 If I can meet Jim Carrey and sit down at halftime with Mike Tyson, 0.96

01:14:11.720 I think that that would be like some of the coolest shit. 0.97

01:14:14.800 And literally, that's what happened. 0.99

01:14:16.520 I just was like, you know, I'm taking y'all shit. 0.99

01:14:18.280 And so Mike Tyson used to talk about the art of skullduggery, 0.99

01:14:21.740 and he said, you know, guys, they're very easy to compete behind each other's back,

01:14:26.180 but there's a different sort of reverence that you have when you tell a guy, 1.00

01:14:29.860 I'm taking your shit. 1.00

01:14:30.980 Right. 1.00

01:14:31.360 You know what I'm saying?

01:14:31.920 And so now it becomes like, I'm about to work my ass off,

01:14:34.580 and do you have that same deal?

01:14:35.940 And I knew that they didn't, and that's basically how I became.

01:14:38.800 You got Mexican right there. 0.99

01:14:39.920 I got Mexican. 0.90

01:14:40.600 I was willing to die.

01:14:42.460 In that instance, in that vibe, you're like,

01:14:44.100 this is what I'm putting on the line is that I'm going to do,

01:14:46.360 this is as far as I'm going to go.

01:14:47.480 Can you match it?

01:14:48.820 So same thing that you do in your industry.

01:14:51.760 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:52.320 Motherfucker, I got this. 1.00

01:14:53.280 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:53.420 You know, so I'm going to take it to a place that I know that you can't.

01:14:55.940 I'm going to take, I always call it, 1.00

01:14:56.960 take a motherfucker to the middle of the ocean. 1.00

01:14:58.280 Let's see if we're going to get to the shore. 1.00

01:14:59.700 Yeah, you're either going to die on the water,

01:15:01.140 or we're going to get to the shore.

01:15:02.720 I love that, man.

01:15:03.880 And, yeah, the other questions,

01:15:05.760 I think the other guys would have some good input,

01:15:07.760 even though they were specifically for you.

01:15:09.260 Okay, great.

01:15:09.960 Cool.

01:15:11.000 Awesome.

01:15:11.440 Maurice Claret, so excited,

01:15:13.400 so grateful that you guys have come out.

01:15:15.860 We'll be right back.

01:15:17.900 We'll be right back with the other guys from Business and Biceps.

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01:15:22.920 Yeah.

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01:17:57.700 Joining us now in studio with Maurice

01:17:59.680 is Corey G. and John Fosco.

01:18:02.460 And this is the three of them together

01:18:05.160 make up the podcast Business and Biceps.

01:18:08.500 We are here.

01:18:09.200 You want to introduce your squad?

01:18:10.880 Your partners?

01:18:11.980 Sorry.

01:18:12.240 Yes, yes.

01:18:13.560 We are squad.

01:18:14.580 Because you do it well on the show.

01:18:16.920 Coming from...

01:18:17.940 Yeah.

01:18:19.660 I'll get some of that Chicago Bulls pop.

01:18:21.800 Oh, you're going to get that?

01:18:22.820 Yeah.

01:18:23.340 So he has new shoes on today.

01:18:26.880 Yeah, bro.

01:18:28.440 Well...

01:18:28.960 Not them orange joints he had on, huh?

01:18:30.560 Yeah, so my main man,

01:18:33.860 Helling,

01:18:34.500 all the way

01:18:36.000 from the Windy City,

01:18:38.680 six foot two.

01:18:40.540 He had to sit in first class

01:18:41.840 to stretch his legs out on the way here. 1.00

01:18:44.600 Motherfucker six foot. 1.00

01:18:45.720 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:46.420 That's what I'm saying, bro.

01:18:48.380 I'll take every inch, bro.

01:18:50.420 Apparently this room takes off two inches.

01:18:54.260 Ripped to the bone.

01:18:56.180 My man,

01:18:57.140 all the way from the Windy City,

01:18:59.340 the one and only,

01:19:00.560 who always wears his sunglasses

01:19:02.560 day and the night

01:19:03.440 in the gym.

01:19:05.440 I did request the glasses.

01:19:07.440 And is that

01:19:08.320 Dottie Fosco.

01:19:10.160 Thank you, Mo.

01:19:10.840 I love you, Mo.

01:19:11.460 Here we go.

01:19:11.900 Come on.

01:19:13.940 I'm happy to be here.

01:19:15.560 And his tag team partner?

01:19:18.480 And his tag team partner,

01:19:20.460 the only guy I know 1.00

01:19:21.580 who eats fucking chicken. 1.00

01:19:23.220 No, not chicken 1.00

01:19:23.920 because he says steak.

01:19:24.840 The only guy I know...

01:19:25.980 White steak,

01:19:26.560 they call it some people.

01:19:27.440 The only guy I know 0.99

01:19:30.020 who won't fucking go to the double tree 1.00

01:19:31.960 and eat a fucking cookie 1.00

01:19:33.020 when he goes in. 1.00

01:19:34.200 It's true.

01:19:34.560 The only guy I know

01:19:35.680 who is disciplined to the bone

01:19:37.520 and regimented,

01:19:38.940 hailing respectfully,

01:19:41.360 and he talks about it,

01:19:42.960 all the way from the valley,

01:19:44.380 Mr. Corey G.

01:19:45.440 Yo, yo, yo. 0.99

01:19:46.320 There we go.

01:19:46.980 Thanks, Maurice,

01:19:49.300 for introducing us

01:19:50.220 on Theo's show.

01:19:51.000 I didn't want to say

01:19:51.640 I'm a black guy.

01:19:52.020 I didn't say

01:19:52.500 I'm a black guy.

01:19:52.920 It's about a white guy

01:19:53.680 saying he's racist, I think.

01:19:56.100 It's funny.

01:19:56.800 Sometimes I get called...

01:19:58.000 And this is the...

01:19:59.160 This is...

01:20:00.200 You guys started

01:20:01.060 business on Biceps, right?

01:20:02.140 And then brought Maurice in?

01:20:03.600 How did that work out?

01:20:04.700 Yeah.

01:20:05.320 We was rolling for

01:20:06.200 about 100 shows, Johnny?

01:20:07.860 I think about 80 shows, yeah.

01:20:09.920 Yeah.

01:20:10.660 And then we were going

01:20:11.360 to bring Mo in

01:20:12.040 for a sports podcast, right?

01:20:13.940 And I didn't know Mo well,

01:20:17.480 and it was crazy.

01:20:18.680 We recorded, like,

01:20:19.720 the pilot of the sports podcast,

01:20:21.820 and it was a really raw podcast.

01:20:24.300 A lot of swearing.

01:20:25.860 Not that we don't swear now.

01:20:26.880 We swear a ton still.

01:20:28.500 Yeah.

01:20:30.400 It's a little sweary.

01:20:31.660 Yeah.

01:20:31.960 It's very sweary,

01:20:33.220 but basically,

01:20:34.180 after we did it, 0.98

01:20:35.220 the night we fucking did it, 0.97

01:20:37.460 Mo's 30 for 30 came on, 0.99

01:20:38.780 and I had never seen it.

01:20:40.080 I had never seen it,

01:20:41.380 and I called Corey

01:20:42.320 after I watched it,

01:20:43.380 and I said,

01:20:43.800 Corey,

01:20:44.060 I don't know Mo well,

01:20:45.100 but if I'm going to take in

01:20:46.860 a partner,

01:20:47.460 we're going to take in a partner,

01:20:49.180 I don't feel comfortable

01:20:50.880 as an individual

01:20:51.780 bringing him into this platform.

01:20:54.320 I just don't feel it's right.

01:20:55.580 I think he can offer a lot

01:20:57.700 on business and biceps

01:20:58.920 because we're trying to motivate

01:21:00.200 and we're trying to talk

01:21:01.460 about overcoming struggles,

01:21:03.060 and my God,

01:21:03.780 what I just saw

01:21:04.960 touched me straight up.

01:21:07.220 Yeah.

01:21:07.240 So Corey was like,

01:21:09.180 man.

01:21:09.600 Yeah.

01:21:09.980 I mean,

01:21:10.260 me and Mo had been boys

01:21:11.560 for a while,

01:21:12.100 so I was like,

01:21:12.980 I said,

01:21:13.500 yeah,

01:21:13.740 absolutely.

01:21:14.040 I'd love to bring him

01:21:14.720 into that space.

01:21:15.520 We wanted to do something

01:21:17.560 with him.

01:21:18.060 We had already had a show

01:21:18.940 that was starting to chart

01:21:19.800 and do well,

01:21:20.760 but open arms,

01:21:22.440 I was like,

01:21:22.780 of course,

01:21:23.300 Mo's personal development

01:21:24.560 and the stuff that he's been

01:21:25.620 through alongside us

01:21:27.580 has now morphed into a top five show.

01:21:30.420 Yeah.

01:21:31.180 And was it interesting,

01:21:32.860 or was it tough,

01:21:34.000 is it tough befriending,

01:21:35.980 and I noticed this

01:21:36.680 even in my own walk out here

01:21:38.140 in Los Angeles,

01:21:38.940 it's tough sometimes

01:21:39.700 befriending somebody

01:21:40.480 that has a name

01:21:41.480 that precedes them.

01:21:42.760 So what was that like

01:21:43.740 for you whenever

01:21:44.360 you befriended Mo?

01:21:45.960 Because sometimes it's like

01:21:47.220 you'll feel a connection

01:21:48.020 to somebody

01:21:48.680 and you're not,

01:21:50.260 you don't care what they do

01:21:51.540 or what,

01:21:51.820 you know what I mean,

01:21:52.140 you're intrigued by them,

01:21:53.420 you're interested,

01:21:54.480 but when somebody

01:21:55.140 has a name

01:21:55.760 that precedes them,

01:21:57.220 it's hard sometimes

01:21:58.220 to,

01:22:00.740 how did,

01:22:01.400 was there,

01:22:01.900 did you have trouble

01:22:02.380 managing your genuineness

01:22:04.200 or was there anything like that?

01:22:05.520 I'm not putting you on the spot,

01:22:06.360 I'm just curious about this.

01:22:07.000 No, I think this would be great

01:22:07.700 for Mo to answer actually

01:22:08.740 because when we connected,

01:22:10.560 Mo had just come back to Ohio

01:22:11.760 and I had a business

01:22:12.980 that was doing really well

01:22:14.000 in the sports supplement space

01:22:15.240 and I told Mo,

01:22:16.440 like I was working

01:22:16.980 with huge athletes

01:22:17.860 and some pretty heavy people.

01:22:20.340 Sterling Sharp.

01:22:21.080 Yeah, way bigger than him.

01:22:22.600 So I was like,

01:22:23.320 so I was like,

01:22:24.360 you know what?

01:22:24.920 I was like,

01:22:25.280 Mo, here's the deal.

01:22:26.120 We have a 4am crew.

01:22:27.840 I asked Mo to come

01:22:28.940 to the gym and work out.

01:22:29.780 I said,

01:22:29.920 man,

01:22:30.020 I don't really need

01:22:30.600 nothing from you

01:22:31.380 but what you're going to get

01:22:32.480 when you mess with me

01:22:33.300 is I'm never going

01:22:34.280 to miss workouts.

01:22:35.080 I'm going to be disciplined.

01:22:35.960 I'm about my business

01:22:36.840 and but I don't need

01:22:37.820 anything from you.

01:22:38.840 Right.

01:22:39.140 I don't need to,

01:22:40.440 I'm not trying to get

01:22:41.180 into the club and rep you. 0.85

01:22:42.660 I'm not trying to get

01:22:43.480 a cute video on Instagram.

01:22:44.700 I don't need any of that stuff.

01:22:45.880 Yeah, I don't need somebody

01:22:46.840 to Uber my guns across town.

01:22:48.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:49.360 You know,

01:22:49.820 so I was like,

01:22:51.180 but I got a positive environment

01:22:52.640 and if you're trying

01:22:53.660 to get down with it,

01:22:54.340 then you should come on

01:22:55.320 to the old school gym, 1.00

01:22:56.840 motherfucker. 1.00

01:22:57.560 And you felt that, huh? 1.00

01:22:59.140 Yeah,

01:22:59.580 and I think that was

01:23:01.580 like highly important

01:23:02.640 where you could just

01:23:03.260 go be yourself

01:23:03.960 and I think we talked

01:23:04.620 about it earlier,

01:23:05.820 just to go on

01:23:06.220 to be yourself somewhere

01:23:07.000 and just be a guy.

01:23:08.040 Yeah.

01:23:08.280 You know what I mean?

01:23:08.680 I think that that was

01:23:09.460 cool and nothing

01:23:12.060 about our relationship,

01:23:14.800 we didn't gain anything

01:23:16.120 from being around each other.

01:23:17.500 Yeah.

01:23:17.640 We didn't like,

01:23:18.140 okay, let's connect

01:23:18.800 and go do this deal

01:23:19.640 and let's connect

01:23:20.140 and go do that deal

01:23:21.480 and let's connect

01:23:22.060 and show a picture

01:23:23.240 and it makes one of us cooler

01:23:25.120 and I think that that was

01:23:26.560 the original part

01:23:28.160 but then also,

01:23:29.220 I think that even

01:23:31.160 when we start doing

01:23:32.040 the first few episodes,

01:23:33.040 I think that there was

01:23:33.860 just a natural feeling.

01:23:36.520 Yeah.

01:23:36.780 You know,

01:23:37.000 it wasn't nothing like,

01:23:37.920 you know,

01:23:38.100 like most times

01:23:38.700 you get together

01:23:39.140 with people,

01:23:39.520 it's like,

01:23:39.840 yo,

01:23:40.600 let's outline the business

01:23:41.760 and you're worried

01:23:42.220 about everything

01:23:43.000 but the actual thing

01:23:44.400 of what you're doing

01:23:45.080 and I think that we did

01:23:46.360 more doing of the show

01:23:48.900 and talking as an episode

01:23:50.940 and I think it felt right

01:23:52.080 but I think also,

01:23:53.460 if you can ask these guys,

01:23:54.340 I think it was something

01:23:54.880 therapeutic about it.

01:23:55.980 Oh, wow, really?

01:23:57.220 Oh, yeah,

01:23:58.060 most definitely

01:23:58.540 because we were doing it

01:23:59.220 for the right reason.

01:24:00.100 We didn't have a business model.

01:24:01.700 We were just literally,

01:24:03.080 John and I,

01:24:03.640 when we started it,

01:24:04.620 we were having these

01:24:05.160 amazing conversations

01:24:06.260 that I know

01:24:06.840 all these young people

01:24:08.000 would be down

01:24:08.680 trying to be a fly on the wall.

01:24:10.220 I'm like,

01:24:10.420 we should record this.

01:24:12.040 You add Mo to it

01:24:13.140 on top of it,

01:24:14.140 it's shutting it down

01:24:15.200 because now you have,

01:24:16.900 there's the race factor,

01:24:19.060 there's the culture factor,

01:24:20.380 there's all these things

01:24:21.720 that nothing's off bounds

01:24:23.560 and we can hit every demo.

01:24:25.260 Wow, that's great.

01:24:25.900 Man, what?

01:24:26.220 And it's so necessary right now,

01:24:27.580 I think too,

01:24:28.200 especially with a lot of like,

01:24:29.920 you know,

01:24:30.200 there's a lot more like

01:24:31.120 young black men

01:24:31.920 who are having opportunities

01:24:32.820 these days

01:24:33.540 and do you guys see that

01:24:35.480 in Ohio as much

01:24:36.740 like these days?

01:24:38.080 Like is it different

01:24:38.600 than when you were growing up,

01:24:39.860 do you find?

01:24:40.360 I think just with any young person now,

01:24:43.140 I think the access to information

01:24:44.560 and the wanting to

01:24:46.180 sort of take control

01:24:47.320 of your own destiny

01:24:47.980 and be an entrepreneur

01:24:48.880 are things of that nature.

01:24:51.000 I think that that's more accessible.

01:24:53.520 I think with young people,

01:24:55.720 like, okay,

01:24:56.640 so they see Theo Vaughn, right?

01:24:59.160 They see you on Netflix,

01:25:00.820 they see your podcast

01:25:02.500 and they may see

01:25:03.800 what other people do

01:25:05.240 and they're like,

01:25:05.780 I want that.

01:25:06.680 Right.

01:25:07.100 But they don't understand

01:25:08.580 and I don't even know your history, 1.00

01:25:10.640 what the fuck you went through 0.99

01:25:12.200 to get to that chair right now. 1.00

01:25:14.640 Right.

01:25:14.980 And they don't want

01:25:15.600 to know the process.

01:25:16.820 They want what Theo has.

01:25:18.140 Right.

01:25:18.520 And what we're trying to do

01:25:19.560 is say,

01:25:19.900 dudes, 0.98

01:25:20.900 settle the fuck down, 0.99

01:25:22.240 take pride 0.99

01:25:23.000 in sweeping the floor

01:25:24.720 and say,

01:25:25.460 I'm on my way up.

01:25:26.580 Yeah.

01:25:26.920 Don't think you're going

01:25:27.920 to be driving out Bentley

01:25:29.060 in two years 1.00

01:25:30.340 because you're a stupid fuck. 1.00

01:25:32.340 It's just not the truth 1.00

01:25:33.040 that it's not going

01:25:33.780 to happen that way.

01:25:34.440 Dude, every time John talks,

01:25:35.520 I feel like I'm at WWE

01:25:37.740 in 1994

01:25:40.260 and I mean that

01:25:41.420 in a loving way.

01:25:42.300 It's really fascinating.

01:25:43.420 Straight down the middle, bro.

01:25:44.780 That's what you get.

01:25:45.340 That's what I love.

01:25:45.980 I was listening

01:25:46.580 to an episode last night, man.

01:25:47.920 I got some HelloFresh,

01:25:49.100 you know,

01:25:49.440 because they're,

01:25:50.060 they're not even

01:25:51.120 a sponsor of ours yet,

01:25:52.060 but,

01:25:52.240 oh, they are a sponsor now.

01:25:54.960 But look,

01:25:55.700 I was excited.

01:25:56.680 I'm making some HelloFresh

01:25:57.620 and I'm listening

01:25:58.160 to an episode

01:25:58.620 in the kitchen

01:25:59.140 and I felt,

01:26:00.100 here's what I noticed.

01:26:00.720 I felt better

01:26:02.520 at the end of the episode.

01:26:03.440 I felt like I just

01:26:04.240 had a good time.

01:26:05.260 You know,

01:26:05.960 I felt like it was,

01:26:06.660 you guys were talking

01:26:07.240 about loyalty

01:26:08.060 and, you know,

01:26:10.280 and loyalty

01:26:11.000 and how you,

01:26:11.740 how you know

01:26:14.120 where loyalty is

01:26:15.500 and,

01:26:15.840 and,

01:26:16.340 and how you recognize it

01:26:17.740 like,

01:26:18.340 and how you treat loyalty

01:26:19.400 and how you treat your friends

01:26:20.520 and business associates

01:26:21.360 and stuff.

01:26:22.040 But then also there was like,

01:26:23.300 you know,

01:26:23.580 people screwing around

01:26:24.620 and it was just like

01:26:25.520 a little bit of everything

01:26:26.160 before I knew it,

01:26:26.700 it was over

01:26:27.040 and I was like,

01:26:27.420 oh, this is,

01:26:28.380 this is cool.

01:26:29.000 It's like half entertainment.

01:26:30.760 We've added that

01:26:31.500 because we're having

01:26:31.960 so much fun now,

01:26:33.140 but also giving people

01:26:34.200 real applicable information

01:26:35.980 because everybody thinks

01:26:37.080 they can get a laptop

01:26:37.980 and go to Starbucks

01:26:39.000 and now they're an entrepreneur.

01:26:40.160 Oh yeah.

01:26:40.480 When I started my gym

01:26:41.380 when I was 20,

01:26:42.500 like my friends

01:26:43.220 tried to have an intervention

01:26:44.300 with me

01:26:44.680 because they thought 1.00

01:26:45.200 I was like fucking crazy 1.00

01:26:46.500 and, 0.99

01:26:47.320 you know,

01:26:47.620 coming from,

01:26:48.060 I was like,

01:26:48.460 yeah,

01:26:49.460 they're like,

01:26:49.920 wait a second,

01:26:50.860 you know,

01:26:51.140 and so it's like,

01:26:52.120 they were tripping like,

01:26:52.760 you ain't drinking with us

01:26:53.420 on Wednesdays no more

01:26:54.560 and I'm like, 1.00

01:26:55.340 motherfucker, 1.00

01:26:55.800 I'm trying to open a gym. 1.00

01:26:57.120 Like,

01:26:57.520 so it was one of those things

01:26:58.460 where it just wasn't as cool

01:27:00.300 as are accepted.

01:27:01.140 Now it is looked upon

01:27:02.560 almost like an athlete

01:27:03.440 or something to that level.

01:27:04.680 Oh,

01:27:04.900 entrepreneurship

01:27:05.420 is almost looked upon

01:27:06.280 as an athlete.

01:27:07.540 Absolutely.

01:27:08.140 To some degree,

01:27:08.960 it's way more popular

01:27:09.780 than it ever was.

01:27:10.520 That's why there's so many 1.00

01:27:11.380 fake motherfuckers 1.00

01:27:12.420 out there 1.00

01:27:12.800 trying to drain

01:27:13.500 these kids' pockets,

01:27:14.820 dude,

01:27:15.400 and that's what gets me

01:27:16.380 fired up.

01:27:17.100 It's like,

01:27:17.900 okay,

01:27:18.360 so we don't need

01:27:19.300 to do a podcast.

01:27:20.540 Is it a profitable endeavor?

01:27:21.960 Sure.

01:27:22.560 We do other businesses

01:27:23.720 and we do a podcast

01:27:24.720 to literally try

01:27:25.960 to give him for,

01:27:26.720 dude,

01:27:26.940 I didn't go to college.

01:27:27.820 He didn't go to college.

01:27:29.220 Mo didn't. 0.83

01:27:29.960 Mo tried.

01:27:30.600 Mo tried. 0.99

01:27:31.580 Mo ran some fucking touchdowns. 0.99

01:27:34.180 But it's like, 0.99

01:27:34.940 we're trying to help people

01:27:36.120 because success doesn't happen,

01:27:40.040 dude.

01:27:40.440 Right.

01:27:40.720 You gotta make it happen

01:27:42.100 and these kids

01:27:42.800 don't know that.

01:27:44.160 They're told,

01:27:45.020 okay,

01:27:45.300 you go to high school,

01:27:46.140 you go to college,

01:27:47.320 you da-da-da-da-da-da. 1.00

01:27:48.420 What if I don't want to?

01:27:50.960 No one says,

01:27:52.000 it's okay if you don't want to.

01:27:53.460 Yeah.

01:27:53.820 What do you want to do?

01:27:55.080 Right. 1.00

01:27:55.820 Motherfucker, 1.00

01:27:56.300 go follow it. 1.00

01:27:57.460 But that's not safe.

01:27:59.320 Right,

01:27:59.540 because then otherwise,

01:28:00.260 then you just get the feeling

01:28:01.080 as a kid,

01:28:01.500 oh,

01:28:01.620 if I don't go to college

01:28:02.360 and I'm a failure,

01:28:03.340 that's what the other side

01:28:04.820 of that teeter-totter is.

01:28:05.960 Yeah,

01:28:05.980 it's like,

01:28:06.280 oh, 0.99

01:28:06.400 you're gonna be a bum. 1.00

01:28:07.260 It's like, 0.99

01:28:07.620 come on,

01:28:08.140 man.

01:28:08.540 And we're here to dispel that

01:28:10.040 and there's nothing against college.

01:28:11.980 You know,

01:28:12.300 if you want to be a doctor,

01:28:13.900 an engineer,

01:28:14.500 a lawyer,

01:28:14.920 sure,

01:28:15.160 you have to go there.

01:28:16.360 But if you love something,

01:28:18.000 don't tell yourself

01:28:18.900 it can't be a career 1.00

01:28:19.800 because you're fucking lying to yourself. 1.00

01:28:21.720 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:21.860 And you're hearing your brother,

01:28:23.000 you're hearing your uncle,

01:28:24.080 you're hearing your parents

01:28:25.100 who are all afraid

01:28:26.080 to take the chance

01:28:27.920 that you are about to take

01:28:29.780 and you're gonna let them

01:28:30.800 take you, 1.00

01:28:31.300 but fuck that. 1.00

01:28:32.220 Yeah, 0.99

01:28:32.420 you guys on the internet

01:28:32.900 would go on?

01:28:33.420 No,

01:28:33.720 but I just think

01:28:34.460 even to add to that point,

01:28:36.220 but even-

01:28:37.360 Dude,

01:28:37.480 I feel like I'm on you guys' podcast.

01:28:39.060 You are.

01:28:40.560 I'm not even joking.

01:28:42.760 I feel like no joke,

01:28:43.920 dude,

01:28:44.040 I feel like I just morphed

01:28:45.420 into my-

01:28:46.380 You are now in business

01:28:47.340 in biceps,

01:28:48.120 Theo.

01:28:48.440 Bro,

01:28:48.780 this is so cool.

01:28:49.700 I'm not even joking,

01:28:50.620 man.

01:28:51.280 I love this.

01:28:53.060 Yeah,

01:28:53.300 it's serious though,

01:28:53.860 but just imagine

01:28:55.280 there's conversation,

01:28:57.100 there's processes

01:28:57.780 and systems

01:28:59.120 that have to be built

01:29:00.040 to build your own career.

01:29:01.440 Yeah.

01:29:01.860 And to what John was saying,

01:29:04.280 people just want to jump

01:29:05.420 towards the end result

01:29:06.380 to be where you're at,

01:29:07.520 but nobody talks about

01:29:09.020 all the production

01:29:09.640 that took place

01:29:10.220 when we had to walk out the room

01:29:11.520 to break to the segment.

01:29:12.760 Nobody talks about the cameras.

01:29:14.020 Nobody talks about the hard work.

01:29:15.280 Nobody talks about

01:29:16.120 the actual things,

01:29:17.600 but how you feel

01:29:18.680 during those processes

01:29:19.600 and the things

01:29:20.660 that you have to do

01:29:21.360 to make that thing a reality.

01:29:22.800 Right.

01:29:22.880 And that conversation

01:29:24.540 needs to be had

01:29:25.100 because it's not had

01:29:25.860 in the classroom

01:29:26.460 or if it is in the classroom,

01:29:28.020 it's inaccurate

01:29:28.780 as to what's currently

01:29:30.120 taking place.

01:29:31.200 And I think that

01:29:32.500 if we provide

01:29:33.200 that information,

01:29:34.060 then a kid can come back

01:29:35.000 and say,

01:29:35.260 you know what?

01:29:36.120 I spent my hour

01:29:37.040 listening to you all.

01:29:37.900 I got something 1.00

01:29:38.380 out of this shit 1.00

01:29:39.000 and you can kind of 1.00

01:29:39.940 go through all the titles

01:29:40.940 and find out

01:29:41.860 where you're currently at

01:29:42.860 in your process.

01:29:43.820 You know what I'm saying?

01:29:44.700 It's a library.

01:29:45.420 The other one we have, 0.97

01:29:46.120 Manage Your Dick, 0.97

01:29:46.820 right? 0.99

01:29:47.640 When you're successful,

01:29:49.160 Manage Your Dick is a book.

01:29:50.580 It's the latest episode.

01:29:52.560 Oh, it is?

01:29:53.320 Yes.

01:29:54.180 Oh, wait.

01:29:54.620 I think I didn't click on that

01:29:56.280 because honestly,

01:29:57.260 I've had enough issue

01:29:58.700 with that.

01:30:00.260 Nobody will help you.

01:30:02.320 No, I'll help.

01:30:03.420 Straight from John Fosco.

01:30:05.040 It's the NYD program.

01:30:06.300 You stay away from it, dude.

01:30:08.300 I just picture that guy

01:30:09.120 with the megaphone

01:30:09.900 in WWE back in the day, 0.99

01:30:11.420 like right next to my penis, 0.99

01:30:12.620 like get erect. 1.00

01:30:14.360 What's that guy's name? 0.82

01:30:15.220 Jim.

01:30:15.560 What's his name?

01:30:16.040 Jimmy Hart.

01:30:16.480 Jim Cornette

01:30:17.760 or the Hitman Hart

01:30:19.020 or Hart, maybe.

01:30:20.240 Jimmy Hart.

01:30:21.100 Jimmy Hart.

01:30:22.060 Just slap it on the side

01:30:23.240 of the ring.

01:30:23.840 Get in there.

01:30:24.500 I like Bobby the Brain Heenan.

01:30:26.640 Well, Bobby the Brain Heenan

01:30:27.800 is another euphemism 1.00

01:30:28.780 for your penis. 1.00

01:30:29.660 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:30.220 Crazy.

01:30:32.080 So anyway,

01:30:33.880 but no,

01:30:35.260 I,

01:30:35.840 yeah,

01:30:37.420 I didn't click on that episode.

01:30:39.000 Let me see.

01:30:39.600 I think I've listened

01:30:40.180 to four episodes,

01:30:41.460 but yeah,

01:30:42.480 I just love the camaraderie, man.

01:30:43.680 I'm so grateful

01:30:44.400 that you guys are here.

01:30:45.240 What do you guys feel like?

01:30:47.340 Do you notice

01:30:48.080 like a vibe

01:30:49.360 in your own community

01:30:50.660 from the podcast?

01:30:52.000 Like that's what I start to wonder.

01:30:53.100 What's it like there

01:30:53.820 by you guys?

01:30:55.580 Me and Corey

01:30:56.120 were talking about this yesterday.

01:30:57.840 What's crazy is,

01:30:58.820 so we have employees

01:30:59.860 and they'll listen

01:31:01.560 to the podcast

01:31:02.320 so they know

01:31:04.840 how we think.

01:31:05.820 Right.

01:31:06.140 So we've broken

01:31:08.780 a lot of employees

01:31:10.020 mentally,

01:31:10.820 unfortunately,

01:31:12.160 by absolutely

01:31:13.460 doing nothing,

01:31:14.600 right?

01:31:14.840 So they get it

01:31:16.220 in their head

01:31:16.760 that we're these guys

01:31:18.040 on the podcast

01:31:18.760 and they say, 1.00

01:31:19.740 oh shit, 0.99

01:31:20.320 I messed this little thing up. 0.98

01:31:21.900 I'm going to get the John

01:31:23.100 from the podcast

01:31:24.000 or I'm going to get the Corey

01:31:25.000 and they get in their own heads

01:31:26.460 and like we start losing labor

01:31:28.120 and we're like,

01:31:28.720 brother,

01:31:29.080 no,

01:31:29.260 this is,

01:31:29.800 that's a show

01:31:31.040 and yes,

01:31:31.620 we teach,

01:31:32.600 but we've lost people

01:31:33.960 actually because

01:31:35.180 they're like,

01:31:36.000 man,

01:31:36.240 they're so regimented

01:31:37.380 and they're thinking,

01:31:38.180 I don't want to get

01:31:39.020 in that line of fire.

01:31:40.000 Right.

01:31:40.220 You know what I'm saying?

01:31:40.740 And so it's had

01:31:41.480 kind of a weird effect

01:31:42.960 but there's respect

01:31:44.320 for people

01:31:45.260 from the outside,

01:31:47.020 people who don't

01:31:48.080 work for us

01:31:48.880 but it's had a weird effect

01:31:50.600 with employees.

01:31:51.700 I just think online,

01:31:52.780 just the overarching thing

01:31:54.080 of we're here

01:31:54.540 to teach and give back.

01:31:55.680 We've all been successful

01:31:57.220 in our own regards.

01:31:58.260 We're all pushing

01:31:58.680 for more success

01:31:59.520 but understanding

01:32:01.080 of what's happening

01:32:02.800 in entrepreneurship

01:32:03.580 right now

01:32:04.060 and how fake 0.99

01:32:04.640 as fuck 0.99

01:32:05.040 that it is 1.00

01:32:05.980 and that we're coming

01:32:07.200 straight down the middle

01:32:08.260 so often

01:32:09.120 and that they can

01:32:10.160 take it out

01:32:10.700 and apply it

01:32:11.520 and then when it works,

01:32:12.840 they're writing your DMs

01:32:13.720 like,

01:32:14.040 yo bro, 1.00

01:32:14.900 that shit was fucking real. 1.00

01:32:16.540 I went and did this. 1.00

01:32:18.760 It's just those things

01:32:20.080 right there are worth it all

01:32:21.180 because there's no

01:32:21.800 monetary value to that,

01:32:23.260 bro.

01:32:23.480 You're literally,

01:32:24.240 I was at Gold's Gym

01:32:25.840 today training

01:32:26.420 and people were coming up

01:32:27.740 showing love,

01:32:28.600 dude,

01:32:28.900 podcast,

01:32:29.520 blah, blah.

01:32:29.860 Hey,

01:32:30.520 three out of four guys

01:32:31.320 I was like,

01:32:31.560 I'm here to see Theo Vaughn.

01:32:32.620 Oh,

01:32:32.800 that dude's so funny.

01:32:33.940 Oh,

01:32:34.160 that's great.

01:32:34.480 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:34.880 So it's like the podcast community

01:32:36.940 is just,

01:32:37.660 it's cool to bring these two worlds

01:32:39.120 kind of together,

01:32:39.880 Theo.

01:32:39.980 So I commend you,

01:32:40.920 you know,

01:32:41.220 for like being open to that.

01:32:42.580 I think it's awesome.

01:32:43.520 Yeah,

01:32:43.760 no,

01:32:44.000 well look,

01:32:44.420 a lot of our listeners

01:32:45.620 are,

01:32:46.080 you know,

01:32:46.360 in the Midwest

01:32:46.920 and in rural communities

01:32:48.180 and I don't consider,

01:32:49.300 you know,

01:32:49.500 where you guys are from

01:32:50.160 a rural community at all

01:32:51.600 but,

01:32:52.340 you know,

01:32:52.780 it's nice to know that

01:32:54.800 when I'm listening

01:32:56.860 and I'm feeling inspired,

01:32:58.360 you know,

01:32:58.760 from a place that's a little bit

01:32:59.900 more connected to America

01:33:01.140 than I feel like the environment

01:33:02.180 I live in is,

01:33:03.460 you know,

01:33:03.780 it's just,

01:33:04.260 it's cool for me.

01:33:05.720 I think real quick

01:33:07.100 on the camaraderie,

01:33:08.100 like one main point

01:33:10.260 is I think it's so hard

01:33:11.400 to trust three people

01:33:13.880 like all the way to the core

01:33:15.200 and have that loyalty

01:33:16.600 and that's why you can hear us

01:33:18.140 hit like hard points

01:33:19.320 and then have fun with it

01:33:20.700 because,

01:33:21.580 you know,

01:33:21.820 you may have a business partner

01:33:23.260 but like you ain't down with them

01:33:25.400 like you would trust him

01:33:27.800 when your back was turned 1.00

01:33:28.920 if some shit was going down 0.99

01:33:30.280 but like the three of us 0.99

01:33:31.780 we don't need each other

01:33:33.600 and because we don't need each other

01:33:35.320 everything we do is pure

01:33:37.120 and because it's pure 0.99

01:33:38.880 it could be serious as fuck 0.99

01:33:41.020 but then it could be fun 0.99

01:33:42.080 and it's like

01:33:42.540 we don't need each other 0.99

01:33:43.920 so it's just fucking what it is 0.98

01:33:46.040 right 0.98

01:33:46.280 you know?

01:33:46.960 No,

01:33:47.100 I love that

01:33:47.560 I mean that's one thing

01:33:48.240 that podcasting has given

01:33:49.380 even me as an entertainer

01:33:50.880 is just freedom

01:33:51.480 you know,

01:33:52.420 the freedom to really

01:33:53.620 to not live in some of these bounds

01:33:56.420 of this entertainment industry

01:33:57.720 but to be myself

01:33:58.580 you know,

01:33:59.520 it's like

01:33:59.960 no rules homie 0.99

01:34:00.940 yeah

01:34:01.300 and that's

01:34:02.460 and then people love that

01:34:03.600 you know

01:34:04.040 people absolutely love it

01:34:05.300 but I think that's to

01:34:07.180 I think it's one of the greatest things

01:34:08.640 about it

01:34:09.200 is that

01:34:10.200 these podcasts

01:34:12.120 have broken across

01:34:12.820 all barriers

01:34:13.600 all ethnicities

01:34:15.460 all boundaries

01:34:16.900 of subjects

01:34:17.580 titles

01:34:18.000 everything

01:34:18.400 and that now

01:34:19.820 you just have a platform

01:34:20.580 to see the person

01:34:21.620 and to fall in love

01:34:22.820 with the person

01:34:23.240 and I think that

01:34:23.820 that is what

01:34:24.760 we bring to

01:34:25.760 that

01:34:26.620 I always

01:34:27.720 in my mind

01:34:28.520 I think it's called

01:34:29.080 Business Biceps and Culture

01:34:30.320 because I really believe

01:34:32.040 that

01:34:32.440 I've loved

01:34:33.540 some of the racial conversations

01:34:34.640 that we had

01:34:35.240 on the show

01:34:35.740 that I know

01:34:36.720 you couldn't get anywhere

01:34:37.540 I love

01:34:38.640 just the back door

01:34:40.400 of the business conversations

01:34:41.460 I love

01:34:42.380 just the camaraderie

01:34:43.720 amongst people

01:34:44.440 and I just believe

01:34:45.600 that that is like

01:34:46.500 something that

01:34:47.740 even if I just don't

01:34:48.840 even if I'm just

01:34:49.840 the only one

01:34:50.140 who cares about it

01:34:50.820 I feel like

01:34:51.600 that's our gift

01:34:52.260 to other people

01:34:53.420 you know what I'm saying

01:34:54.100 absolutely

01:34:54.600 yeah

01:34:55.160 his brother came in

01:34:57.180 and we talked to his brother

01:34:58.640 after the show

01:34:59.240 he's like

01:34:59.520 you don't get it

01:35:00.200 like in our community

01:35:01.720 we don't have wifi

01:35:02.860 and he's like

01:35:03.480 Amazon ain't even a thing

01:35:05.260 in the hood

01:35:05.860 you guys

01:35:06.780 like we don't listen

01:35:08.220 to podcasts

01:35:08.720 we don't have wifi

01:35:09.360 and I'm sitting there

01:35:10.500 thinking like

01:35:10.900 Amazon's not a thing

01:35:12.260 and I'm like

01:35:13.840 a lot of people

01:35:15.440 that I am unfamiliar with

01:35:17.040 live like this

01:35:18.360 and I didn't know that

01:35:19.640 you know

01:35:20.340 but that's a really

01:35:21.000 powerful thing

01:35:21.940 I'm telling you

01:35:22.880 like

01:35:23.080 and

01:35:24.360 and that was probably

01:35:26.320 one of the most

01:35:26.940 coolest things to me

01:35:28.180 is to bring

01:35:29.020 an environment

01:35:30.440 or a perspective

01:35:31.180 to a place

01:35:32.180 and to have like

01:35:33.820 honest conversation

01:35:35.200 about it

01:35:35.700 you know what I'm saying

01:35:36.460 just how

01:35:37.040 the state of America

01:35:38.300 is like

01:35:38.620 the state of America

01:35:39.220 has never been so intense

01:35:40.560 when it comes to race

01:35:41.420 right

01:35:41.840 ever

01:35:42.340 you know

01:35:42.720 I don't know

01:35:42.980 if they feel it out

01:35:43.560 here in Los Angeles

01:35:44.260 but everywhere else

01:35:45.440 you go in America 0.78

01:35:46.180 you feel like that

01:35:46.940 but to talk about

01:35:48.400 a culture

01:35:48.880 and to not be offended

01:35:50.300 to be easy going

01:35:51.800 to laugh

01:35:52.560 to joke 1.00

01:35:53.600 to say shit 0.99

01:35:54.180 that's normally tougher 1.00

01:35:55.080 now you have people

01:35:56.900 in different environments

01:35:57.840 who are like

01:35:58.280 yo okay

01:35:58.860 I've had a chance

01:35:59.920 to digest this information

01:36:01.000 outside of like

01:36:01.920 just one side

01:36:03.040 either it's a left wing

01:36:03.820 or right wing way

01:36:04.620 conversation

01:36:05.240 this is just

01:36:06.080 an independent conversation

01:36:07.540 I think that

01:36:07.980 that just helps to add

01:36:09.040 just to America

01:36:10.480 or just to people's perspective

01:36:12.000 yeah

01:36:12.580 no I agree

01:36:13.600 I mean

01:36:14.100 in LA

01:36:14.880 you guys also have a gift

01:36:16.080 I think that

01:36:16.680 like in LA

01:36:18.040 and I feel like

01:36:18.980 sometimes we can't even

01:36:19.580 talk about

01:36:20.180 stuff

01:36:20.640 you know

01:36:22.080 like it would be

01:36:22.740 it's scary

01:36:23.460 like

01:36:23.780 it's scary

01:36:24.920 to have like

01:36:25.340 race conversations

01:36:26.260 and stuff out here

01:36:27.060 because people also

01:36:28.000 don't even understand

01:36:28.780 what the rest of America

01:36:30.000 is kind of really like

01:36:30.960 you know

01:36:31.520 a lot of people out here

01:36:32.160 are third

01:36:32.500 fourth generation

01:36:33.360 Los Angeles people

01:36:34.600 and Hollywood people

01:36:36.180 that's the thing

01:36:37.360 the rest of LA

01:36:38.340 is totally cool man

01:36:39.120 you get out into

01:36:39.620 some of these suburbs

01:36:40.420 and like the Latino kids 0.62

01:36:41.660 and stuff like that 1.00

01:36:42.140 they're fucking 1.00

01:36:42.680 they get it 1.00

01:36:43.540 they joke around

01:36:44.280 like crazy 1.00

01:36:45.220 like ridiculous 0.98

01:36:45.920 but then you get into 0.93

01:36:47.100 some of these more

01:36:47.760 like Hollywood circles

01:36:48.700 and it's like

01:36:49.360 man you have to just

01:36:50.740 you just turn into

01:36:52.380 such a Muppet man

01:36:53.440 that it's almost exhausting

01:36:54.860 yes

01:36:55.720 it would be a little exhausting

01:36:56.520 you know

01:36:56.900 because it's exhausting

01:36:57.800 because you gotta get to be free

01:36:58.840 yeah man

01:36:59.440 it doesn't connect to your soul

01:37:01.040 and

01:37:01.560 like

01:37:02.340 at the end of the day man

01:37:03.980 if you're

01:37:04.600 connecting to vanity 1.00

01:37:05.940 you're connecting to bullshit 1.00

01:37:07.140 and you're 1.00

01:37:08.520 sort of putting on

01:37:09.240 this suit

01:37:09.700 or this mask

01:37:10.580 or this

01:37:11.040 persona

01:37:12.000 that just doesn't

01:37:12.740 really tap into you

01:37:13.660 at some point 1.00

01:37:14.760 that shit just runs its course 1.00

01:37:15.900 I don't give a fuck 1.00

01:37:16.820 who you are 1.00

01:37:17.420 I don't give a fuck 0.99

01:37:18.420 how much money 0.96

01:37:18.980 it's like the beautiful girl 0.95

01:37:20.180 who gets with the ugly guy

01:37:21.240 because he has money

01:37:22.100 and then after

01:37:23.420 all of the chills

01:37:25.380 and thrills

01:37:25.940 and the boats

01:37:26.560 and the planes 0.99

01:37:27.160 and all that shit wears off 0.98

01:37:28.160 she wakes up like 1.00

01:37:29.200 man what the fuck am I doing 0.99

01:37:30.120 you know what I'm saying 0.99

01:37:30.900 because dude named D'Artagnan

01:37:32.680 like

01:37:32.900 but it wears itself out

01:37:36.600 but

01:37:36.840 but you have guys 0.64

01:37:38.100 who whore themselves out 0.87

01:37:39.360 because

01:37:40.040 like

01:37:40.960 John's back home

01:37:42.220 I'm in California

01:37:43.020 me and John grew up together

01:37:44.280 on the internet

01:37:45.300 I want to look cooler than John

01:37:46.500 and that's where it stops

01:37:47.400 right

01:37:47.840 and then I sell myself

01:37:48.980 and I'm not a whole person

01:37:50.440 you know what I'm saying

01:37:51.460 but

01:37:51.800 like I think just the preservation of that

01:37:54.340 and

01:37:54.940 like as we're

01:37:56.080 as we're sitting here talking

01:37:56.740 I'm like 0.98

01:37:57.080 damn we hit on a lot of topics 0.98

01:37:58.260 on our podcast 0.99

01:37:58.740 yeah

01:37:59.080 I'm just thinking about

01:38:00.300 the shallowness thing

01:38:01.440 that you said

01:38:02.540 and I'm going through my head

01:38:04.160 and

01:38:04.480 running through this feeling

01:38:05.940 of being able to have

01:38:08.060 a

01:38:08.660 partner of the opposite race 0.97

01:38:11.220 that's black

01:38:11.800 that on a couple shows

01:38:13.560 I've been able to look at

01:38:14.700 and this is what I believe

01:38:15.600 needs to happen more in America

01:38:16.820 I've been able to look at them

01:38:18.300 and

01:38:18.720 through a conversation 0.97

01:38:20.120 use the word nigger 1.00

01:38:21.440 because that's what's going on 0.99

01:38:23.600 right

01:38:24.280 like

01:38:24.600 I think it's a gift

01:38:26.480 to have someone

01:38:27.560 of an opposite race 0.99

01:38:28.680 to have a discussion

01:38:30.120 where you could be like 1.00

01:38:30.960 these are how motherfuckers 1.00

01:38:32.540 are talking right now 1.00

01:38:33.460 in certain places

01:38:34.320 right

01:38:34.660 so we're going to talk

01:38:35.460 give them context for it

01:38:36.560 yeah

01:38:36.860 some person doesn't take it

01:38:37.760 the wrong way

01:38:38.100 they'd be like

01:38:38.480 yeah

01:38:38.780 no

01:38:39.140 I even need a little context

01:38:41.720 there goes the neighborhood

01:38:44.100 but this is blunt

01:38:46.340 this is blunt conversation 1.00

01:38:47.340 this is real shit 1.00

01:38:48.460 and in parts of the country 1.00

01:38:49.940 that

01:38:50.300 oh yeah

01:38:50.880 people say it

01:38:51.600 and some people can't say it

01:38:52.920 and it's uncomfortable

01:38:53.540 and they hear it in music

01:38:54.320 and listen

01:38:54.660 it's come back

01:38:55.460 prove it this way

01:38:56.180 it's come back strong

01:38:57.260 and that's just what it is

01:38:58.760 and I want to know

01:39:00.120 and I'm comfortable enough

01:39:02.100 and I feel blessed enough

01:39:03.740 to have a guy

01:39:04.460 that I can talk right to 0.91

01:39:05.840 a black man 0.98

01:39:07.020 and say

01:39:07.360 what is it like 1.00

01:39:08.440 when you're fucking 1.00

01:39:09.120 standing outside 0.99

01:39:09.920 at a food truck

01:39:11.420 and some dude rolls by

01:39:13.180 and says 1.00

01:39:13.520 fuck you nigger 1.00

01:39:14.480 yeah 1.00

01:39:14.940 like

01:39:15.400 that's a real conversation

01:39:17.080 and I think that's how

01:39:18.680 we start

01:39:19.740 maybe to make progress

01:39:21.200 right

01:39:21.540 and these

01:39:21.900 surface conversations

01:39:23.320 you refer to

01:39:24.040 that you're scared of

01:39:25.120 like

01:39:25.360 the only way to like

01:39:26.720 get through that

01:39:27.760 is to knock the wall down

01:39:29.360 you know

01:39:29.720 it's like 1.00

01:39:30.060 fuck that 1.00

01:39:30.460 I ain't gonna live 1.00

01:39:30.940 in this world

01:39:31.400 if I can't have

01:39:32.220 a real conversation

01:39:32.900 with you

01:39:33.420 I don't wanna 1.00

01:39:34.280 fucking talk to you 0.99

01:39:35.460 right 1.00

01:39:35.680 let me give reference

01:39:36.680 to the people

01:39:37.160 who may not

01:39:37.520 so John's not racist

01:39:38.720 if anybody may

01:39:39.520 like

01:39:40.040 I'm trying to defend you

01:39:43.160 so like people

01:39:43.640 don't think like

01:39:44.100 is this guy

01:39:45.440 you know 0.93

01:39:45.880 is this guy racist

01:39:46.780 no he's not racist

01:39:47.700 but I think his personality

01:39:49.700 and his bluntness

01:39:50.820 and his forwardness

01:39:51.700 allows us to

01:39:53.140 like

01:39:53.860 because he may have

01:39:55.020 that thought in his head

01:39:55.880 you know what I'm saying

01:39:56.600 and he wants to know

01:39:57.640 this question

01:39:58.260 this is a thing

01:39:58.900 that happened

01:39:59.460 I lived in South Carolina

01:40:00.760 I heard five white guys 0.84

01:40:02.180 walking down the street

01:40:02.960 every night

01:40:03.520 you know

01:40:03.880 going to the bars

01:40:04.560 in Charleston

01:40:05.220 I didn't hear that

01:40:06.680 ten years ago

01:40:08.060 right

01:40:08.380 this is real

01:40:09.460 and I wanna know

01:40:10.600 I'm not saying it

01:40:11.740 I wanna know 0.77

01:40:12.640 how a black man 0.93

01:40:13.860 feels about it

01:40:14.660 right

01:40:14.900 that matters to me

01:40:15.860 right

01:40:16.080 so being able

01:40:17.240 to take it that far

01:40:18.580 not be offended

01:40:20.120 not feeling any way

01:40:21.060 about it

01:40:21.360 like I'm

01:40:21.980 I've experienced enough

01:40:24.640 even from prison

01:40:25.380 right

01:40:25.580 I was in prison

01:40:26.100 with this guy

01:40:26.440 named Chad

01:40:27.000 Chad was a part

01:40:28.300 of the Aryan Brotherhood

01:40:29.240 and I asked Chad

01:40:30.540 I'm like

01:40:31.000 yo like

01:40:31.600 why do you dislike 0.98

01:40:32.780 black people 0.99

01:40:33.260 and I think I said

01:40:33.720 this on one of our

01:40:34.220 early episodes

01:40:35.000 he just like

01:40:35.920 Maurice

01:40:36.220 I've never grew up

01:40:36.820 around any

01:40:37.260 and so I was like

01:40:38.580 well he doesn't

01:40:39.420 really not like 0.90

01:40:40.400 black people 0.98

01:40:40.980 he just never 0.99

01:40:41.600 grew up around him

01:40:42.440 yeah

01:40:42.760 no difference

01:40:43.440 than

01:40:43.820 like

01:40:44.680 somebody who just

01:40:45.420 never grew up

01:40:46.080 around people

01:40:46.580 like

01:40:46.900 he's like

01:40:47.360 I'm just

01:40:47.840 choosing to

01:40:48.300 stay around

01:40:48.740 white guys

01:40:49.360 and I just

01:40:50.500 want to be

01:40:50.840 around white guys

01:40:51.480 because this

01:40:51.840 is what I'm

01:40:52.080 familiar with

01:40:52.740 and so I

01:40:53.760 didn't look at

01:40:54.200 Chad

01:40:54.440 as like a

01:40:54.800 back

01:40:55.060 I'm like 1.00

01:40:55.520 this motherfucker 1.00

01:40:56.040 is just 1.00

01:40:56.280 ignorant 0.99

01:40:56.620 right 1.00

01:40:56.940 you know

01:40:57.100 so he's

01:40:57.340 just never

01:40:57.620 been exposed

01:40:58.220 and so

01:40:58.660 like

01:40:59.520 to be able

01:41:00.240 to have

01:41:00.760 these

01:41:00.940 conversations

01:41:01.500 like

01:41:01.820 or

01:41:02.280 or even

01:41:03.060 to have

01:41:03.280 the conversation

01:41:03.840 I'm a black

01:41:04.380 guy who lives

01:41:04.920 in a neighborhood

01:41:05.460 where I know

01:41:06.240 how

01:41:07.000 I don't feel

01:41:07.940 accepted

01:41:08.340 right

01:41:08.800 but I don't

01:41:09.500 want to be

01:41:09.800 in the hood

01:41:10.120 I don't want

01:41:10.420 to be in the

01:41:10.780 suburbs

01:41:16.580 this is how

01:41:16.860 people feel

01:41:17.560 right

01:41:17.800 this is

01:41:18.160 but

01:41:18.420 so now

01:41:19.580 we're dealing

01:41:19.880 with the truth

01:41:20.340 now

01:41:20.640 right

01:41:21.000 you know

01:41:21.320 Sam

01:41:21.500 but then

01:41:22.060 these people

01:41:22.720 may not

01:41:23.040 like me

01:41:23.600 for fictitious

01:41:24.440 reasons

01:41:24.800 so like

01:41:25.820 actually

01:41:26.200 why don't

01:41:26.800 you like 0.98

01:41:27.200 that a black 0.98

01:41:27.640 person is 0.79

01:41:28.020 living in

01:41:28.300 neighborhood

01:41:28.560 and who

01:41:29.420 is it

01:41:29.660 that I

01:41:29.940 don't like

01:41:30.400 or what

01:41:30.680 is it

01:41:30.860 that I

01:41:31.080 don't like

01:41:31.420 about you

01:41:31.940 but peeling

01:41:32.740 that stuff

01:41:33.200 back

01:41:33.560 makes this

01:41:34.500 conversation

01:41:35.160 real

01:41:35.640 yeah

01:41:35.940 and so

01:41:36.540 now we're

01:41:37.360 dealing

01:41:37.620 with the

01:41:38.100 human side

01:41:38.640 but now

01:41:38.980 we can

01:41:39.260 grow

01:41:39.600 if we've

01:41:40.500 dealt

01:41:40.660 with the

01:41:40.920 reality

01:41:41.240 of stuff

01:41:41.620 but being

01:41:42.620 able to

01:41:42.920 talk

01:41:43.100 about

01:41:43.280 but

01:41:43.520 in

01:41:44.080 business

01:41:44.820 these are

01:41:45.980 all factors

01:41:46.880 into people

01:41:47.760 dealing with

01:41:48.320 each other

01:41:48.700 right

01:41:48.880 how to

01:41:49.180 deal with

01:41:49.400 other people

01:41:49.940 and then

01:41:50.340 that plays

01:41:51.060 into all

01:41:51.500 business

01:41:51.820 so you

01:41:52.160 take into

01:41:52.660 business

01:41:53.180 and biceps

01:41:53.800 you take

01:41:54.700 all the

01:41:55.160 psychology

01:41:55.780 bro

01:41:56.560 but we're

01:41:58.000 dealing with

01:41:58.520 all with each

01:41:59.120 other

01:41:59.300 whether these

01:41:59.680 are employees

01:42:00.300 whether these

01:42:00.800 are people

01:42:01.120 answering your

01:42:01.620 calls

01:42:02.020 to pass

01:42:02.820 you off

01:42:03.140 to the

01:42:03.380 right

01:42:03.540 person

01:42:04.060 whether these

01:42:04.780 are people

01:42:05.040 introducing

01:42:05.600 to you

01:42:06.000 whether they

01:42:06.340 have a

01:42:06.620 preconceived

01:42:07.420 notion

01:42:07.840 before y'all

01:42:08.700 get together

01:42:09.140 these are

01:42:09.500 all things

01:42:10.400 that make

01:42:11.460 all of us

01:42:12.080 up

01:42:12.420 but you

01:42:13.360 tell me

01:42:13.660 right now

01:42:14.040 where you

01:42:14.320 gonna go

01:42:14.600 get this

01:42:14.860 conversation

01:42:15.360 without being

01:42:15.840 ridiculed

01:42:16.500 about that

01:42:17.320 happening

01:42:17.680 right

01:42:17.980 you're not

01:42:19.200 going to

01:42:19.480 get it

01:42:19.720 anywhere

01:42:19.980 but

01:42:20.460 in america

01:42:21.880 this is a 1.00

01:42:22.340 fucking 0.99

01:42:22.580 factor 0.99

01:42:23.040 but i

01:42:23.620 appreciate

01:42:24.040 that i'm

01:42:24.360 here

01:42:24.680 to where

01:42:25.500 it's

01:42:25.880 it's a

01:42:26.560 it's a

01:42:26.940 respectful

01:42:27.540 and wholesome

01:42:28.240 and i don't 0.99

01:42:29.200 take shit 0.97

01:42:29.620 personal 1.00

01:42:29.960 conversation

01:42:30.640 because like

01:42:31.940 we're trying

01:42:32.360 to get to

01:42:32.800 a space

01:42:33.220 to where

01:42:33.500 you can

01:42:33.640 like okay

01:42:34.000 let's get

01:42:34.340 some resolve

01:42:34.880 and grow

01:42:35.280 from this

01:42:35.620 like that's

01:42:36.320 the front

01:42:36.920 side

01:42:37.120 that's the

01:42:37.480 intention

01:42:37.860 right

01:42:38.300 yeah

01:42:38.780 let's get

01:42:39.260 some

01:42:39.420 yeah

01:42:39.700 i like it

01:42:40.460 no i mean

01:42:40.880 i think it

01:42:41.280 shows that

01:42:41.720 you guys

01:42:42.080 are yeah

01:42:42.860 i mean

01:42:43.020 it's one

01:42:43.360 of the

01:42:43.620 the gifts

01:42:44.160 of you

01:42:44.440 guys's

01:42:44.760 dynamic

01:42:45.160 is that

01:42:46.100 you can

01:42:46.520 talk openly

01:42:47.360 it's not

01:42:47.640 happening

01:42:47.860 anywhere else

01:42:48.460 man right

01:42:48.780 and peeling

01:42:49.300 back that

01:42:49.860 poverty is

01:42:50.360 poverty man

01:42:50.960 whether you're

01:42:51.440 a white

01:42:51.740 kid from

01:42:52.300 appalachia

01:42:53.400 like myself

01:42:54.080 or from

01:42:54.580 the hood

01:42:55.020 of youngstown

01:42:55.740 from south

01:42:56.380 side of

01:42:56.660 chicago

01:42:57.180 wherever

01:42:57.520 all of

01:42:58.640 that it's

01:42:59.340 different

01:42:59.700 factors and

01:43:00.380 it might

01:43:00.560 be different

01:43:00.880 parts of

01:43:01.260 the country

01:43:01.620 but it's

01:43:02.180 resources

01:43:02.740 it's

01:43:03.080 education

01:43:03.580 it's

01:43:03.880 opportunity

01:43:04.440 it's

01:43:05.140 dude

01:43:05.320 that's

01:43:05.520 what it

01:43:05.800 is

01:43:06.160 yeah

01:43:06.460 and racism

01:43:06.920 a lot of

01:43:07.360 times and

01:43:07.780 hatred and

01:43:08.300 stuff like

01:43:08.540 that when

01:43:08.800 you're poor

01:43:09.200 man it's

01:43:09.520 just the

01:43:09.820 if you have

01:43:10.500 nothing else

01:43:11.500 you have no

01:43:12.460 reference

01:43:12.920 and but also

01:43:13.680 sometimes it's

01:43:14.260 the only thing

01:43:14.980 you can do

01:43:15.640 you have

01:43:16.060 nothing you

01:43:16.560 have no

01:43:16.860 education

01:43:17.360 the one

01:43:18.100 thing you

01:43:18.500 have control

01:43:19.120 over is

01:43:20.560 your homeboy

01:43:21.420 bo has a

01:43:22.140 confederate flag

01:43:23.000 on his truck

01:43:23.620 and you're like

01:43:23.980 hell right

01:43:24.400 it's to hate

01:43:24.880 somebody you

01:43:25.640 know and

01:43:26.740 it's like

01:43:27.320 yeah i mean

01:43:28.800 it's sometimes

01:43:29.480 it's just like a

01:43:30.080 thing that comes

01:43:30.480 in poverty poor

01:43:31.020 people love to

01:43:31.520 fight it's all

01:43:32.120 they have to do

01:43:32.620 it's you know

01:43:32.960 it's like

01:43:33.360 that's what

01:43:33.820 they take pride

01:43:34.320 in and it's

01:43:34.780 a free

01:43:35.280 it's free

01:43:35.860 to do

01:43:36.320 it's a free

01:43:37.740 activity

01:43:38.120 it's a free

01:43:38.720 activity bro

01:43:39.500 it really really

01:43:40.940 is dude

01:43:41.520 you know i'm

01:43:42.520 saying you

01:43:42.820 were lucky if

01:43:43.340 somebody would

01:43:43.800 have cut

01:43:44.020 their

01:43:44.180 how we're

01:43:44.540 laughing at

01:43:45.040 the end of

01:43:45.380 that i'm not

01:43:46.060 sure

01:43:46.320 i remember when

01:43:47.500 if somebody cut

01:43:48.120 their hose on

01:43:48.680 let you use

01:43:49.100 their water

01:43:49.620 they were like

01:43:50.120 keeping a watch

01:43:50.800 on how much

01:43:51.240 water you get

01:43:51.860 out the hose

01:43:52.420 like dude

01:43:53.580 some of this

01:43:54.000 it was ridiculous 0.71

01:43:54.760 you know 0.80

01:43:55.400 um yeah but

01:43:57.460 i think it is

01:43:58.160 a gift of you

01:43:58.820 guys's podcast

01:43:59.420 man i think it's

01:44:00.380 one of the

01:44:00.700 things that's neat

01:44:01.360 uh and i think

01:44:02.300 it's a i agree

01:44:03.140 it's conversations

01:44:03.720 that need to be

01:44:04.380 heard you know

01:44:05.060 like i mean i

01:44:06.100 grew up you know

01:44:06.940 they had yeah

01:44:08.920 you i just didn't

01:44:09.820 realize when i was

01:44:10.440 growing up you

01:44:10.820 would see black 0.97

01:44:11.260 families you're

01:44:11.680 like oh they

01:44:12.060 don't care about

01:44:12.740 themselves you know

01:44:13.980 that's what you

01:44:14.500 would think you

01:44:15.220 know you would 0.80

01:44:15.600 see a black 0.99

01:44:16.060 family you know 0.99

01:44:16.780 it'd be like um

01:44:18.320 i will give you

01:44:19.160 the thought from

01:44:19.680 saying that they

01:44:20.200 don't care about

01:44:20.640 themselves probably

01:44:22.300 what would you

01:44:22.620 visually see like

01:44:23.340 process i would

01:44:24.320 see like you

01:44:26.040 know probably

01:44:26.660 their you know

01:44:29.080 they you know

01:44:29.740 maybe the the

01:44:30.880 their neighborhood

01:44:31.660 they didn't try

01:44:32.300 to keep their

01:44:32.660 neighborhood up

01:44:33.340 gotcha or they

01:44:34.040 didn't you know

01:44:35.360 like um the

01:44:36.960 parents were smoking

01:44:37.980 weed or you know

01:44:38.880 the mom was

01:44:39.380 smoking weed the

01:44:40.120 kid was buying weed

01:44:41.020 for the mom you

01:44:41.820 know um or

01:44:43.300 also uh things

01:44:45.720 you know it's a

01:44:46.780 really great question

01:44:47.580 you know i guess

01:44:48.980 like oh the kids

01:44:51.140 some of the kids

01:44:51.740 couldn't you know

01:44:53.180 we had kids in

01:44:53.780 seventh grade that

01:44:54.780 couldn't talk even

01:44:55.940 really you know

01:44:56.720 and they were in

01:44:57.760 seventh grade you

01:44:58.660 know black kids

01:44:59.480 right and so

01:45:01.240 then it made you

01:45:01.860 think i guess

01:45:02.580 actually i didn't

01:45:03.600 it made me think

01:45:04.400 oh they don't care

01:45:05.100 about themselves

01:45:05.880 you know now as

01:45:07.320 i get older and

01:45:08.400 now i live out here

01:45:09.320 and i see more of

01:45:10.080 the world you know

01:45:11.240 and i understand

01:45:11.940 that like oh well

01:45:12.800 if you have

01:45:13.400 generation after

01:45:14.260 generation of a

01:45:15.240 family not having

01:45:16.300 any income or if

01:45:18.240 the grandfather gets

01:45:19.080 a parking ticket and

01:45:20.140 that means that the

01:45:20.880 son you know the

01:45:21.880 grandson isn't

01:45:22.580 going to get a

01:45:23.120 christmas gift you

01:45:23.860 know like if it's

01:45:24.500 that fine of a line

01:45:26.280 now as i get

01:45:27.580 older

01:45:27.960 oh you see it

01:45:30.000 it's so much

01:45:30.560 clearer but from

01:45:32.040 me as a child being

01:45:33.160 in an environment

01:45:34.040 you don't see it and

01:45:35.540 you also don't get

01:45:36.620 the information

01:45:38.140 nobody's telling me

01:45:39.300 this my perspective

01:45:40.980 that i can am able

01:45:42.180 to see now and

01:45:43.380 then also black and

01:45:44.360 white people fight 0.50

01:45:45.080 all the time so

01:45:45.760 or would be

01:45:46.500 fighting so then

01:45:47.300 you have this other

01:45:48.040 thing where it's

01:45:48.640 like you know are

01:45:50.380 we even allowed to

01:45:51.240 get along like do

01:45:52.160 they hate me you

01:45:53.280 know and then like

01:45:54.200 yeah it's i mean

01:45:55.860 it's a messy

01:45:56.440 environment sometimes

01:45:57.500 you know and and

01:45:58.660 i feel bad about

01:45:59.360 some of the ways

01:45:59.840 probably that i

01:46:00.320 thought as a kid

01:46:00.900 but as a child

01:46:02.720 some of them were

01:46:03.140 probably survival

01:46:03.860 mechanisms and they

01:46:04.900 were thoughts that

01:46:05.700 you know i needed

01:46:06.720 maybe at certain

01:46:07.480 points to make me

01:46:08.220 feel a certain way

01:46:09.260 or and sometimes

01:46:10.300 safety mechanisms

01:46:11.360 you know like i

01:46:12.440 grew up in poor

01:46:13.040 black and white and

01:46:13.880 those people were

01:46:14.580 there was a lot of

01:46:15.280 fighting sometimes

01:46:16.020 and so i was scared

01:46:17.940 of both of those a

01:46:19.380 lot of those people

01:46:20.000 sometimes not all of

01:46:21.120 them you know some

01:46:22.500 where i had friends in

01:46:23.280 both areas

01:46:24.000 but in with in

01:46:25.960 poverty there was a

01:46:26.740 much more of a

01:46:27.400 chance yes for

01:46:28.580 volatility and that's

01:46:30.320 what made me really

01:46:31.180 really nervous you

01:46:32.300 know i think you hit

01:46:33.200 a major thing as i'm

01:46:34.880 listening to you you

01:46:35.560 know black and white

01:46:36.960 poverty are probably

01:46:37.940 very similar in terms

01:46:39.360 of the things you

01:46:40.200 reference about not

01:46:41.240 being able to speak

01:46:42.320 or not keeping up your

01:46:43.200 yard or something like

01:46:43.980 that but like a

01:46:45.280 crucial part to

01:46:46.900 everything whether it

01:46:48.180 goes back three

01:46:49.420 generations or four

01:46:50.320 generations is like

01:46:51.420 everybody has to take

01:46:52.960 it upon themselves and

01:46:53.820 we talk about this a

01:46:54.580 lot to break the

01:46:56.260 cycle and it's the 0.99

01:46:57.160 hardest fucking thing 0.98

01:46:58.020 to do yeah because 1.00

01:46:59.500 your family doesn't

01:47:00.780 understand you your

01:47:02.000 relatives don't 1.00

01:47:02.580 understand you but

01:47:03.920 there's always got to

01:47:04.760 be one there's always

01:47:05.760 got to be one in the 1.00

01:47:06.440 family that's like fuck 1.00

01:47:07.620 this no more fucking 1.00

01:47:09.140 800 square foot house 0.99

01:47:11.080 with the roof leaking

01:47:12.100 like i'm gonna do

01:47:13.720 something about that

01:47:14.480 right like there's got

01:47:15.720 to be one and we are

01:47:17.200 all those ones yeah

01:47:18.560 pretty much and i think

01:47:20.120 that's why i resonate you

01:47:21.040 know with you guys as

01:47:21.780 podcasts i mean it's

01:47:23.160 funny like my and one

01:47:24.440 thing that i've learned

01:47:25.100 is my brother now you

01:47:26.200 know he started a

01:47:26.860 successful business and

01:47:27.900 tree business right he

01:47:29.400 doesn't like trees really

01:47:30.420 but he likes business you

01:47:32.040 know so he realized now 0.97

01:47:33.420 he's like damn if i see a 0.98

01:47:34.680 damn two by four i'm 0.99

01:47:35.520 about to slip my throat 1.00

01:47:36.520 with it you know but he

01:47:38.000 loves business but one

01:47:39.820 thing he realizes looking

01:47:40.880 back in our neighborhood

01:47:41.920 is just child psychology and

01:47:44.200 so that's what he wants to

01:47:45.180 get into now and so he

01:47:46.720 uses like the ymca and

01:47:48.920 it's like very it's

01:47:50.280 extremely black and white

01:47:51.460 kids over there and he

01:47:52.420 doesn't really see a

01:47:53.200 difference you know we

01:47:54.940 don't see some of the

01:47:55.480 same differences we saw

01:47:56.320 as kids but to see him

01:47:59.100 wanting to help children

01:48:00.180 so much no matter who

01:48:01.280 they are you know it's

01:48:02.940 how you change the

01:48:03.400 community that's how you

01:48:03.940 change a community right

01:48:04.860 and he's really a big

01:48:05.900 inspiration to me but

01:48:06.760 but it's uh when i really

01:48:09.280 think i was thinking about

01:48:10.200 this the other day when i

01:48:11.060 really think back the kids

01:48:12.940 that i associated with the

01:48:13.800 most were kids that felt

01:48:15.120 this i could see felt the

01:48:16.660 same way that i did

01:48:17.800 which way was that and

01:48:18.920 it didn't matter if they

01:48:19.680 were black or white it

01:48:20.320 almost was a color that

01:48:21.320 was within us it was some

01:48:23.240 other gray color within us

01:48:24.900 or a confused color within

01:48:26.920 us you feel like it came

01:48:28.380 from like a space of

01:48:29.200 struggling yeah like a

01:48:30.600 space of struggling and

01:48:31.740 probably a space of just

01:48:32.620 not really having um you

01:48:35.420 know structure within to

01:48:37.080 know how to handle just

01:48:38.780 day-to-day situations not

01:48:40.640 knowing when to be

01:48:41.280 confident not knowing you

01:48:43.140 know because sometimes your

01:48:44.080 confidence would get

01:48:44.780 strayed you'd be confident

01:48:45.920 at times people what the 0.99

01:48:46.700 fuck you being confident 0.98

01:48:47.440 right now for it's a 1.00

01:48:48.300 spelling bee you know you

01:48:49.260 you up here yelling you

01:48:51.000 up here yelling and

01:48:51.980 screaming about vowels like

01:48:53.140 calm it down you know

01:48:54.480 how'd you how'd you get the

01:48:55.900 confidence to say you know

01:48:57.000 what i'm funny i'm gonna go 1.00

01:48:59.480 after this shit how'd you get 0.99

01:49:01.280 it 1.00

01:49:01.520 oh you know i don't know

01:49:05.280 sometimes i think sometimes

01:49:06.400 it's one of those things that

01:49:07.280 kind of stayed it was like

01:49:08.600 this this light that stayed

01:49:10.020 in me that i needed i think

01:49:11.320 it was a defense mechanism

01:49:12.360 when i was young you know i

01:49:13.340 couldn't really physically

01:49:14.200 take care of myself much so

01:49:15.860 i had to joke i had to be

01:49:16.860 the jokester um and then

01:49:19.060 joking kind of transcended 0.95

01:49:20.220 you could like black kids 0.99

01:49:21.420 love to joke around white 1.00

01:49:22.520 kids like you know it was

01:49:24.000 you were kind of the

01:49:25.080 jokester was always welcome

01:49:26.000 everywhere unless you joke

01:49:26.820 too much then you got your 1.00

01:49:27.760 ass beat yeah yeah so that 1.00

01:49:29.100 was the risky line i run 0.96

01:49:30.260 the line that was a risky

01:49:31.660 line man but no i mean look

01:49:33.520 this is i mean even moments

01:49:34.760 of this conversation have

01:49:35.620 been a little bit

01:49:36.180 uncomfortable for me but

01:49:37.140 not in a bad way sure and

01:49:38.780 i recognize that because i'm

01:49:40.080 in a place where you know i

01:49:41.500 know you guys are you know

01:49:43.420 people that care about the

01:49:44.440 end of this conversation

01:49:45.520 and the next week and the

01:49:47.080 next year and the next 20

01:49:48.720 years of of you know of

01:49:50.480 young men and young women

01:49:52.220 um growing and you know

01:49:54.600 we're not just thinking

01:49:55.340 about you know this moment

01:49:57.140 right here um and i feel

01:49:58.660 that and i feel that when

01:49:59.280 i listen to you guys

01:49:59.760 podcast i mean it's

01:50:00.420 ridiculous you know i

01:50:01.660 still don't know if fosco 0.98

01:50:02.480 should be allowed on the

01:50:03.220 air sometimes dude me and

01:50:05.280 marie's always looking at

01:50:06.100 each other like this 1.00

01:50:06.760 motherfucker 1.00

01:50:07.360 but now as i see him in 1.00

01:50:10.020 person i realize he's

01:50:11.200 he's in wwe bro it's

01:50:13.360 real i thought i'm like

01:50:14.940 this guy's hamming up

01:50:15.940 this contract bro i never

01:50:17.620 been oh dude he could be

01:50:19.100 in the easily listen

01:50:20.200 listen we we have a

01:50:22.320 disclaimer before i speak

01:50:23.820 but but what he does is

01:50:28.340 that he pushes the

01:50:29.700 boundaries on what we're

01:50:30.880 talking about yeah always

01:50:31.940 right so he pushes so

01:50:33.400 one it's two things right

01:50:34.620 so one i realized he was

01:50:36.400 that introspective and

01:50:37.380 intelligent so they may

01:50:38.500 some people may think

01:50:39.400 you're a comedian but i

01:50:40.080 listen to people what they

01:50:41.280 say it's the same thing

01:50:42.600 with him yeah right

01:50:43.540 sometimes people's

01:50:44.200 personality be so harsh

01:50:46.180 that people forget like 0.99

01:50:47.120 they like fucking deep 0.98

01:50:48.220 introspective wealth out 0.99

01:50:49.340 of people yeah his

01:50:50.600 personality may be

01:50:51.620 different than yours you

01:50:52.620 feel where i'm coming

01:50:52.920 from yeah i feel you

01:50:53.840 and i'm referencing john

01:50:54.920 to people who are uh

01:50:56.200 talking you gotta see

01:50:57.140 this john fosco guy man

01:50:58.240 i can't even this guy's 0.99

01:50:59.460 fucking something else 0.99

01:51:00.960 bro i'm not joking i 0.99

01:51:02.220 never met anybody like

01:51:03.000 this dude man but he

01:51:04.420 push he pushes cory would

01:51:06.360 you could say

01:51:07.100 square degree yeah he

01:51:08.520 pushes and then it may

01:51:10.980 come off harsh and brutal

01:51:12.500 and tough but then it's

01:51:14.300 followed up dead on

01:51:15.400 though it's dead on

01:51:16.600 it's followed up to

01:51:17.840 leverage it by something

01:51:18.860 intellectual and then

01:51:20.520 you can volley with the

01:51:21.620 conversation back and

01:51:22.600 forth and at the end of

01:51:24.020 it you say okay he may

01:51:25.480 have came with me hard but 1.00

01:51:26.340 if i digest what the fuck 0.99

01:51:27.460 he said he's not fucking 1.00

01:51:28.820 lying like my girl 0.98

01:51:30.600 listened to the manager 1.00

01:51:31.300 dick program and you 0.98

01:51:33.460 know i'm saying but

01:51:34.760 it is true harsh

01:51:36.380 just like my man johnny

01:51:39.240 do you know yeah it's 0.98

01:51:41.280 fucking kind of like 0.92

01:51:42.300 makes sense 0.98

01:51:43.000 yeah i mean i i think if

01:51:47.400 when you gloss over

01:51:48.620 things um you're you're

01:51:50.840 increasing uh the

01:51:52.080 probability that people

01:51:53.200 don't do not take them

01:51:54.780 and understand them and

01:51:56.040 digest them clearly so if

01:51:57.740 you come right down the

01:51:58.800 middle it may sound harsh

01:52:00.700 they may think you're an 1.00

01:52:01.740 asshole or they may love 1.00

01:52:02.760 you they normally go one 0.99

01:52:03.820 of two ways um but at

01:52:05.840 least you're giving real

01:52:07.620 information and i don't 0.98

01:52:09.340 fucking care who likes me 0.86

01:52:11.180 right i actually like to 0.98

01:52:12.540 be not liked because um if

01:52:15.180 you like me that that that

01:52:16.380 that's cool but i i have

01:52:18.420 like this um responsibility

01:52:20.080 i've always felt this um

01:52:22.000 to the truth and if it's 1.00

01:52:23.140 not the truth fuck you 1.00

01:52:25.020 fuck whoever like get out 1.00

01:52:27.060 of my face bro like i want 1.00

01:52:28.740 nothing to do with you like

01:52:29.800 i don't play any of those

01:52:31.580 games and and and that's

01:52:33.060 and that to me is beauty

01:52:34.600 because that that's purity

01:52:36.460 when you're speaking in

01:52:37.420 truth bro that's the

01:52:39.220 substance that's where it's

01:52:40.440 at once you you know we

01:52:42.240 always say we don't talk

01:52:43.140 about things i can talk

01:52:44.340 about my car my houses for

01:52:46.700 what right who's that

01:52:48.060 benefit right nobody let's 0.64

01:52:50.220 talk about the skills yeah we

01:52:52.160 can give people to not just

01:52:54.540 get things but become better

01:52:55.880 people help their family and 0.99

01:52:58.400 and fucking be happy yeah 0.95

01:53:00.120 and and if you don't like 1.00

01:53:01.320 the way i say it fuck you 1.00

01:53:02.720 yeah i think that constant 1.00

01:53:04.580 i think that being

01:53:05.840 uncomfortable though is huge

01:53:07.280 the growth is that so like i

01:53:09.060 i told john the other day

01:53:10.360 so funny it would have been

01:53:11.500 uh coming off another

01:53:12.660 venture it would have been

01:53:13.660 really easy for me to just

01:53:15.000 kind of coast and be

01:53:16.160 comfortable john i like him

01:53:17.980 and he keeps you

01:53:19.060 uncomfortable right so some

01:53:20.480 people don't they dislike john

01:53:22.080 because of that they just 0.99

01:53:22.920 don't fuck with them where 0.99

01:53:24.220 it's only pushed me to be 1.00

01:53:25.600 better and i told him that

01:53:27.040 the other day like bro i

01:53:27.900 just appreciate it because

01:53:29.140 it would have been much

01:53:30.020 easier for me to just kind

01:53:31.040 of coast and because i know

01:53:32.980 what i've got myself into

01:53:34.420 that is going there's going

01:53:35.940 to be uncomfortable moments

01:53:37.080 i'm talking about reference

01:53:37.860 to business because we have

01:53:38.760 multiple businesses together

01:53:39.960 he keeps pushing and the

01:53:41.800 podcast being one of them

01:53:42.940 he's going to push the

01:53:43.660 limits which makes you go a

01:53:45.100 little bit deeper on things

01:53:46.360 and you know try to reverse

01:53:48.140 and push him and that's what

01:53:49.500 we've been doing all three of

01:53:50.660 us and to your point on

01:53:52.460 on changing that uh changing

01:53:55.380 the uh cycle breaking the

01:53:56.920 cycle i want to ask you is

01:53:57.960 is what you've been able to

01:53:59.060 do broke the cycle for your

01:54:00.360 family is it given your

01:54:02.080 family like a new breath of

01:54:03.620 air that things are possible

01:54:04.900 like from where you come

01:54:05.900 from i think so i mean i

01:54:08.060 think uh you know i think

01:54:10.520 one thing for me honestly

01:54:11.860 like you know a lot of my

01:54:13.840 families ended up with

01:54:14.540 addiction you know it's been

01:54:15.500 like a big thing in our

01:54:16.200 family and i think um yeah i

01:54:19.340 just have learned a lot

01:54:20.700 about you know it makes me

01:54:23.540 real i've learned for some

01:54:24.480 reason it makes me feel

01:54:25.160 really sad when somebody

01:54:26.080 doesn't know how much

01:54:27.600 they're valued you know and

01:54:30.040 that really for some reason

01:54:31.240 like it breaks my heart you

01:54:32.520 know and i think because i i

01:54:33.940 think as a kid i needed just

01:54:36.460 somebody to know that they

01:54:38.220 valued me you know and my

01:54:40.240 mother worked really really

01:54:41.200 hard you know she worked you 0.94

01:54:43.460 know delivered newspapers and

01:54:44.600 still does and you know and

01:54:46.060 and i i think she never was

01:54:48.300 taught at some of those

01:54:49.100 things you know uh and so

01:54:52.140 then yeah then i'm able to

01:54:53.420 see a lot of the cycles you

01:54:54.940 know and then when i watch

01:54:56.860 like even when i watch like

01:54:57.860 you know maurice's 30 for

01:54:59.040 30 like there's a you know i

01:55:01.240 couldn't connect a lot of

01:55:02.000 football stuff i could connect

01:55:03.000 like from a fan perspective

01:55:04.180 like oh it looks like so much

01:55:05.300 fun and like you know did

01:55:06.980 they really beat miami and

01:55:08.300 like i could connect

01:55:08.880 how he throws that in there

01:55:11.040 yeah but no i could connect

01:55:13.100 on like uh but then i i i

01:55:15.500 could connect there was

01:55:17.060 there was some moments where

01:55:17.840 i connected like oh man i

01:55:19.800 wonder if that young man

01:55:20.860 knew how much he was valued

01:55:22.140 as a kid you know like i

01:55:23.920 wonder if he got the love

01:55:26.040 that he you know like that's

01:55:27.340 where it made me think like

01:55:28.480 man that's that might be a

01:55:30.640 place that i have in common

01:55:31.520 with that man um not that i

01:55:33.780 needed have him to have it

01:55:34.920 in common with me but that's

01:55:35.820 a place where i could feel

01:55:36.880 something you know and

01:55:38.300 that's the part that i really

01:55:39.660 um and that's the part that

01:55:42.480 now when i go back into a

01:55:43.680 community or i look at a

01:55:44.560 kid you know where i look at

01:55:46.400 a family or anybody i'm able

01:55:47.760 to see it from you know from

01:55:49.900 that and that's where i feel

01:55:51.100 like i know in my heart that's

01:55:52.780 a place that i can that's a

01:55:54.300 place that i can start to help

01:55:55.740 at you know find some way to

01:55:58.360 let people know uh that

01:56:00.580 they're valued you know um

01:56:02.460 but yeah i mean i think for

01:56:04.020 some of the race stuff it just

01:56:05.060 took getting a bigger

01:56:05.980 perspective it's hard when

01:56:07.460 you're in those perspectives

01:56:08.640 and you know when you're in

01:56:10.440 the and when you're in a

01:56:11.080 small place it's hard to see

01:56:12.220 the big picture you know um

01:56:14.520 well as long as you get to a

01:56:16.000 place where you figure it out

01:56:17.100 or at least you hear the

01:56:18.980 information i think that's

01:56:20.240 very important and the reason

01:56:22.360 i like to talk about it so

01:56:23.420 much because you deal with it

01:56:24.360 on a daily basis yeah you

01:56:25.760 know sometimes we only like to

01:56:26.700 talk about racing like these

01:56:27.840 harsh conditions or it's like

01:56:29.640 an extreme view one way or

01:56:31.200 another or you have some sort

01:56:33.040 of um you know police shooting

01:56:34.520 or the race gets

01:56:36.200 commercialized with the

01:56:37.060 carlin kaepernick deal and

01:56:38.780 sometimes you lose the actual

01:56:40.160 message of what's going on but

01:56:42.340 if you don't have these

01:56:43.240 conversations then you don't

01:56:44.420 deal with the truth and if you

01:56:45.960 don't deal with the truth are

01:56:47.440 you not working towards to

01:56:48.600 shift the perspective to where 0.99

01:56:49.880 you know we all fucking people 0.98

01:56:51.420 at the end of the day like 0.98

01:56:52.780 nobody's better than nobody and

01:56:54.760 you know you don't have to

01:56:55.880 have a harsh perspective on 0.92

01:56:56.880 somebody because they're black

01:56:57.740 or white and even you know you

01:56:59.740 deal with racism and you do a

01:57:01.020 classism and just because

01:57:02.520 another person doesn't have as

01:57:04.580 much as you do it doesn't mean

01:57:06.020 that they're uh they're less

01:57:08.240 than you right and to and to

01:57:09.700 have that stuff and to and to

01:57:11.400 talk about that and to have

01:57:13.060 platforms to do about i just

01:57:14.240 think it's to be responsible

01:57:15.160 with your voice and for

01:57:16.780 anybody who's been through

01:57:17.700 any hardship like if you've

01:57:18.800 been through addiction uh

01:57:20.200 there's no way that you can

01:57:21.000 feel that you're better than

01:57:21.680 anybody yeah because you've 1.00

01:57:23.060 been fucked up and you've 0.99

01:57:24.260 been not been able to take 1.00

01:57:25.040 care of yourself and you've

01:57:25.860 not been responsible at some

01:57:27.600 point so at some point you

01:57:28.860 are like the person who's uh

01:57:30.740 vulnerable or the person

01:57:31.660 who comes from the large

01:57:32.380 socioeconomic background

01:57:33.540 but it's it's the same

01:57:35.080 thing with everything but

01:57:36.040 those those are the human

01:57:37.760 things and and and like i

01:57:40.040 say i know this is about

01:57:41.000 our podcast but having the

01:57:42.100 vehicle and the people who

01:57:43.760 come from those backgrounds

01:57:44.640 and to be able to talk about

01:57:45.660 it and put it out there

01:57:46.560 it's a blessing you guys have

01:57:47.640 it bro it's a huge

01:57:48.720 it's cool i believe it's the

01:57:49.960 only weapon to move let's

01:57:52.200 say maybe the two hardest

01:57:53.440 things in this country

01:57:54.580 forward um having a white

01:57:58.300 man and a black man talk

01:58:00.020 about real issues when they

01:58:01.340 don't have to if those

01:58:02.880 conversations could happen

01:58:04.100 in every county in every

01:58:05.880 house every day that that's

01:58:07.920 going to move something

01:58:08.880 racially forward yeah let's

01:58:10.480 say you take one political

01:58:11.840 side now on the other

01:58:12.960 political side you don't have

01:58:14.640 to agree but if you can just

01:58:16.040 have a civilized dialogue you

01:58:18.400 will find hey i might not

01:58:20.120 agree with you but we got 0.99

01:58:21.060 shit in common bro yeah 0.98

01:58:22.360 you're cool and no one's 1.00

01:58:24.920 willing to have those

01:58:25.560 conversations because we're

01:58:26.680 so divided and and and and

01:58:28.980 and that is ignorance at its

01:58:30.420 finest yeah divided with 0.99

01:58:31.860 trivial shit and like how 0.97

01:58:33.180 many times we have this 1.00

01:58:33.800 conversation yeah with 0.97

01:58:34.860 trivial stuff trivial shit 1.00

01:58:36.340 right and stupid and old 1.00

01:58:37.920 school shit it's like old 1.00

01:58:39.060 school stuff is like plays 1.00

01:58:40.380 out 30 years later yeah

01:58:41.720 so ask yourself like this

01:58:42.920 when when ask yourself this

01:58:44.480 when have you ever had

01:58:45.820 platforms who have these

01:58:47.040 conversations right these

01:58:49.200 what these conversations

01:58:49.820 don't happen in the 1.00

01:58:50.360 fucking town hall no what 1.00

01:58:51.980 he's got in the school no 1.00

01:58:53.320 will we congregate at the

01:58:54.900 library talking about

01:58:55.680 there's no podcasts are

01:58:58.760 platforms which you

01:58:59.880 control right you're not

01:59:01.160 going to the radio station

01:59:02.080 and say yo like 107 to 1.00

01:59:04.000 whatever fuck it is you 0.99

01:59:05.300 know can we get on here 1.00

01:59:05.920 what can we have this

01:59:06.820 conversation talk about

01:59:08.280 that you know or just like

01:59:10.080 let me get a little further

01:59:10.900 into it what do we have

01:59:12.500 like some uh some

01:59:13.880 representative who think

01:59:14.820 he represents all black

01:59:15.840 people you have somebody

01:59:17.200 with an agenda who's

01:59:18.580 being sharp and comes out

01:59:19.900 just just just just be just

01:59:21.960 it just is what it is but 1.00

01:59:23.360 you know these motherfuckers 1.00

01:59:24.960 come and they don't 1.00

01:59:26.520 represent all voices right

01:59:27.620 they want to be a superstar

01:59:28.740 then it also there's a

01:59:29.860 level of uh of achievement

01:59:31.080 that they're trying to

01:59:31.820 achieve yeah so so so it's

01:59:33.520 not honest and so i'm not

01:59:35.440 about to cry about the fact

01:59:36.400 that we didn't have it i just

01:59:38.020 want to know and so this

01:59:39.160 was i'm gonna tell you what

01:59:40.040 it would inspire me even

01:59:40.880 more it's the university of

01:59:42.900 uh maryland virginia one of

01:59:44.740 those rutgers one of those

01:59:45.880 universities i was telling

01:59:46.540 you all about they had a

01:59:48.220 session where they were um

01:59:49.920 hosting for white kids how

01:59:51.720 to deal with racism and so 1.00

01:59:53.320 as i'm looking at this shit i 1.00

01:59:54.340 said on a college campus you 0.99

01:59:56.780 are inviting a space for

01:59:57.860 all white kids to just 0.86

01:59:59.400 understand how to process 1.00

02:00:00.560 this shit so somebody had 1.00

02:00:01.540 the foresight to say this 1.00

02:00:03.220 is a real fucking thing and 0.99

02:00:04.920 kids may have uh feelings 0.99

02:00:07.800 that they feel about

02:00:08.560 something or incorrect

02:00:10.380 information so how do i deal 0.99

02:00:11.840 with this shit with the 0.99

02:00:12.620 climate in america so you 1.00

02:00:14.120 have to ask yourself right 0.99

02:00:15.100 if they're fucking giving 1.00

02:00:16.320 this shit to kids on a 1.00

02:00:17.200 college campus right and 1.00

02:00:18.720 you're hosting a safe space

02:00:19.920 for these kids to express

02:00:20.880 themselves because there's

02:00:22.300 probably a space where a

02:00:23.460 person can't say just like

02:00:24.740 john say um you know

02:00:26.600 there's people in our

02:00:27.380 neighborhood who may think

02:00:28.220 or who look at you all as 0.97

02:00:29.480 niggers you know i'm 0.99

02:00:30.220 saying like that's a real

02:00:32.160 thing in america and that

02:00:33.940 same person who feels that

02:00:35.160 way may be the same person 0.99

02:00:36.260 at fucking starbucks or the 0.99

02:00:37.980 same person at the 1.00

02:00:38.780 fucking local gas station 1.00

02:00:40.000 and until you have healthy 1.00

02:00:42.700 dialogue with these people

02:00:44.440 nothing's going to change

02:00:45.920 these people are going to

02:00:46.660 grow up with these same

02:00:47.820 views you know i'm saying

02:00:49.300 and it hasn't changed i

02:00:50.440 mean you know a lot of the

02:00:51.640 stuff it's just been the

02:00:52.540 same types of things that

02:00:53.740 haven't really changed that

02:00:55.340 much bro i like so what

02:00:58.260 are the incentives to

02:00:59.420 change them right i mean

02:01:01.440 when you really come down

02:01:02.300 so for me just a better 0.99

02:01:03.760 fucking america well i'm 0.99

02:01:05.180 saying on an individual 1.00

02:01:06.500 level but unfortunately i

02:01:08.920 keep on me chris

02:01:09.560 god bless you chris yeah

02:01:12.080 beautiful man it's like a

02:01:13.600 tackle drill over here yeah

02:01:14.980 yeah but like outside of

02:01:16.920 individuals what are the

02:01:18.400 incentives i mean you

02:01:19.560 always got to follow the

02:01:20.580 money and the people who 1.00

02:01:22.240 control our shit that's 1.00

02:01:23.380 why voting is so 1.00

02:01:24.180 important hey they make

02:01:26.220 the rules and they don't

02:01:27.480 have right now there's a

02:01:28.980 huge incentive to keep us

02:01:30.360 divided yeah a huge oh i

02:01:32.020 agree and and let's just

02:01:33.200 open our eyes yeah and

02:01:34.900 and and say well what can

02:01:36.240 we do about it don't throw

02:01:37.260 your hands up like a 1.00

02:01:37.940 pussy and say i can't do 1.00

02:01:38.940 anything about it have 1.00

02:01:40.220 hard conversations you

02:01:41.540 know try to find real

02:01:42.360 people but yeah i mean

02:01:44.040 we're in these conditions

02:01:44.900 because the people who we

02:01:46.160 voted for um contribute to

02:01:49.220 them yeah yeah i mean

02:01:50.860 it's uh it's wild man and

02:01:52.340 you know it's so funny you

02:01:53.320 say pushes the boundaries

02:01:54.320 and then growth you were

02:01:55.840 talking about as well

02:01:56.860 because yeah when you said

02:01:58.160 that a little bit ago i'm 0.99

02:01:59.020 like fuck now there's like 0.98

02:02:00.300 this space in the room 0.99

02:02:01.340 right but then we had to

02:02:04.640 fill the space you know

02:02:05.760 absolutely and that's what

02:02:06.940 i mean it was just it was

02:02:07.780 really really interesting

02:02:08.700 but yeah i mean i think

02:02:10.260 there's a lot of i think

02:02:11.080 yeah racism is tough

02:02:12.160 because there's a lot of

02:02:12.860 like white people i think

02:02:13.980 like you know i grew up i

02:02:15.180 got jumped a couple times 0.70

02:02:16.220 about black kids you know

02:02:17.220 and it made me i mean i

02:02:18.700 grew up in fear of like

02:02:19.480 some of the white kids in

02:02:20.380 our neighborhood and i got 0.82

02:02:21.220 beat up by some of them a

02:02:22.220 couple times but it made

02:02:23.800 me so then when i would see

02:02:25.840 like a group of black guys 0.98

02:02:26.860 sometimes this is therapy 0.85

02:02:27.880 session i would get scared

02:02:29.080 though but it's like i would

02:02:30.500 get scared you know and i

02:02:31.920 didn't want to be i think i

02:02:34.060 didn't want to be angry like

02:02:36.400 in my heart i didn't want to

02:02:37.400 be angry at black people but i 0.96

02:02:39.540 would be scared of those types 1.00

02:02:41.040 of kids and if i saw a

02:02:42.640 replica of a group like that

02:02:43.920 or something in my head it's

02:02:44.740 just like um you know if a

02:02:46.560 if a doberman attacks you

02:02:47.780 then when you see a doberman

02:02:48.560 you're going to be nervous

02:02:49.280 you know get the feeling

02:02:49.980 absolutely so i had a lot of

02:02:51.580 those feelings and i think

02:02:52.680 you know i think there's

02:02:55.020 probably a lot of like you

02:02:57.000 know other people that have

02:02:58.680 had similar type of feelings

02:02:59.760 yeah but but it's but it's

02:03:00.800 the same like but don't get 0.97

02:03:02.100 me wrong black people are 1.00

02:03:03.140 scared of black people yeah 1.00

02:03:04.080 you know and and it's not 0.99

02:03:05.840 the black people it's the 0.99

02:03:07.640 behavior and the environment 0.99

02:03:09.760 you know white people are 0.97

02:03:10.780 scared of white people oh i 0.97

02:03:12.280 would get scared if oh 0.97

02:03:13.140 there's a couple of there's

02:03:14.140 look there's some dudes in

02:03:14.920 my neighborhood who you know

02:03:16.520 allegedly killed a couple

02:03:18.480 people with a truck you know

02:03:19.780 and it's just like man i'm

02:03:20.940 way so just think about this

02:03:22.520 so we're walking through

02:03:23.260 life with these prejudices

02:03:24.760 or these but i'm just being

02:03:26.140 earnest about things that

02:03:26.960 i've thought no no no but

02:03:28.760 it's cool like i mean you

02:03:30.100 you say that it's it's no

02:03:31.880 difference than how i may

02:03:33.260 feel towards a white person

02:03:34.320 who comes in my community as

02:03:36.200 a young black kid whether

02:03:37.380 you're a police officer or 0.95

02:03:38.900 whether you're just white in

02:03:39.700 our neighborhood what the 1.00

02:03:40.320 hell are you doing here you 0.95

02:03:41.220 know saying things that you 0.55

02:03:42.480 don't know are really

02:03:43.540 believing or growing up

02:03:44.400 believing that all white 0.65

02:03:45.840 people are racist you know 0.97

02:03:46.940 like they just don't like 0.99

02:03:47.920 black people you know i'm 0.86

02:03:48.780 saying but that's not true 0.98

02:03:50.680 it's not true yeah you

02:03:51.440 know i'm saying but think

02:03:52.120 about media dude okay so so

02:03:53.700 i always say this and people

02:03:55.360 can judge me for whatever

02:03:56.700 that's sad man i'm sorry that

02:03:58.120 that that's the that that's

02:03:59.500 ever been a perception it's

02:04:00.560 that makes me sad too but

02:04:01.920 it's ignorance right the

02:04:03.060 perception is built from

02:04:04.160 ignorance but like what is

02:04:05.220 what is i'm sorry if this

02:04:07.080 upsets listeners but like what

02:04:08.800 does fox news put out there

02:04:10.080 they put out pictures of

02:04:11.480 black panthers at voting 0.91

02:04:12.860 booths you know what i'm 0.97

02:04:14.180 saying like we like this

02:04:15.420 is what's consumed for like

02:04:17.860 six to eight hours by a lot

02:04:19.840 of america i ain't dogging

02:04:21.560 fox it could be msnbc going

02:04:24.080 the other way but like these

02:04:25.960 this is what people are

02:04:27.040 consuming so they may not

02:04:28.580 even have to get a beating

02:04:30.180 right they see it on tv and

02:04:32.460 they're like i'm not going to

02:04:33.680 the voting booth black 0.89

02:04:34.460 panthers are there right 0.92

02:04:36.060 yeah it's like the same with

02:04:37.780 the charlottesville thing

02:04:38.520 like yeah they had some 0.97

02:04:39.440 racist kids racist young 0.86

02:04:41.060 people or middle-aged 0.90

02:04:42.060 people that showed up

02:04:42.760 there right people that we

02:04:44.000 don't need anywhere you know

02:04:45.660 like not a type of hatred

02:04:47.040 you want anywhere but then

02:04:48.660 to make it seem like it's a

02:04:49.960 hundred thousand people and

02:04:52.080 a pop you know that scares

02:04:54.180 so many people and makes

02:04:55.600 things a lot more you know

02:04:57.480 racist than they really are

02:04:59.160 divide you know yeah because

02:05:01.420 they keep us the more news

02:05:02.480 we make the more fighting the

02:05:03.580 news stays in business if we

02:05:04.580 go to war the news will

02:05:06.160 cover it and we stay they

02:05:07.080 stay in business and they

02:05:08.300 get better ratings yeah

02:05:09.580 why are they standing

02:05:10.580 outside getting blown

02:05:11.220 around by a hurricane

02:05:11.900 marise brought up on the

02:05:12.620 podcast one time theo that

02:05:13.900 uh it running at the track

02:05:15.500 in the morning so i'm at

02:05:16.400 the track in the morning

02:05:17.040 all the time right yeah

02:05:18.040 and i'm out there running

02:05:19.500 lunging early doesn't he

02:05:20.820 yeah like at three but so

02:05:22.500 i'm up there you know

02:05:23.920 running lunging like

02:05:24.860 jaco willing he's way 0.73

02:05:26.820 tougher than me but so i'm

02:05:29.580 just to stay up all night

02:05:30.560 basically there's really no

02:05:32.100 point so you know i'm at

02:05:33.800 the track and there's other

02:05:34.780 people there in the morning

02:05:35.700 i'm lunging my 800 meters

02:05:37.460 of things i do and and i

02:05:39.140 don't think no no

02:05:39.820 different it doesn't matter 0.99

02:05:40.600 if the person's white black

02:05:42.340 uh purple walking around

02:05:44.340 the track marise says and

02:05:45.900 i'm in a black hoodie

02:05:47.000 hooded up the whole nine

02:05:48.920 right marise says i'm at

02:05:49.860 the track and there's um a

02:05:51.900 white woman uh running or 1.00

02:05:53.460 walking by and i'm out here

02:05:54.620 by myself then it makes me

02:05:55.940 uncomfortable like oh yeah

02:05:56.820 it's the thought that goes

02:05:57.960 through that i never even

02:05:59.080 would even think about theo

02:06:01.080 when he brought it up on the

02:06:02.320 podcast i was like man 1.00

02:06:03.260 that fuck but it's real 1.00

02:06:05.820 he's 250 pounds he's a 1.00

02:06:08.260 fucking big dude and it's 1.00

02:06:09.920 i'm black those and he's 1.00

02:06:10.940 black and the things that

02:06:12.000 you're talking about 0.96

02:06:13.020 and he stole that ball from

02:06:14.540 sean taylor that one time

02:06:15.760 you know he's got the grip

02:06:17.660 so it's like those things

02:06:19.360 those things those things

02:06:20.760 are real bro and it's like

02:06:22.020 a lot of people wouldn't

02:06:23.060 even think that that's even

02:06:24.280 a thing but just think so

02:06:26.680 just think about that yeah

02:06:27.740 that is a real thing every

02:06:29.760 time i go to the track to

02:06:31.100 the point i can grab my

02:06:33.120 phone and show you what

02:06:33.980 my lawyer i text the

02:06:35.120 lawyer say look this is

02:06:36.760 weird but i'm texting you

02:06:37.860 but i'm this is right now

02:06:39.200 i can imagine yeah i can't 0.97

02:06:40.160 even imagine shit but i'm 0.99

02:06:41.940 thinking myself that 0.99

02:06:42.920 anything can be said and

02:06:44.600 my life can be altered or

02:06:46.040 she can feel nervous or

02:06:47.380 whatever it is i mean but 0.98

02:06:49.000 but it's simple shit i can 0.99

02:06:50.440 even when i go to the gym 0.99

02:06:51.760 in the morning i can i can

02:06:53.120 without a shadow of a

02:06:54.240 doubt if you're on the

02:06:55.700 treadmill i don't want to 0.99

02:06:56.820 be by the black guy if i'm 0.96

02:06:58.400 lifting weights in a certain 0.98

02:06:59.240 area i don't want to be 0.97

02:07:00.220 by the black guy and it's 0.98

02:07:01.840 almost weird to the point

02:07:02.840 like i'm the black guy

02:07:04.160 until somebody introduces

02:07:05.160 me as maurice claret and

02:07:06.960 then when i get

02:07:07.520 introduced as maurice

02:07:08.320 claret oh this is a cool

02:07:09.680 nigga yeah you from 1.00

02:07:10.820 coming from like now it's

02:07:12.900 acceptable to talk to me

02:07:13.800 and so in my head it plays 0.99

02:07:14.740 like who the fuck was i 0.99

02:07:16.180 before i became maurice 0.99

02:07:17.180 claret to you you know

02:07:18.500 saying but these are real

02:07:20.600 things you know saying like

02:07:21.840 stuff that they never

02:07:22.520 think about like even when

02:07:24.100 we walk out here in la like

02:07:25.200 i know if i'm around them

02:07:26.680 and talking with them like

02:07:28.320 it's an easier um it's

02:07:30.580 easier for me it's easier

02:07:31.600 for people to talk to me

02:07:32.480 when i'm two white guys

02:07:33.980 right you feel what i'm

02:07:34.740 coming from literally you

02:07:36.480 don't you like you don't

02:07:37.300 go through this right when i

02:07:38.200 go to the barber shop based

02:07:39.280 upon what event that i'm

02:07:40.240 about to do okay i gotta

02:07:41.580 shave my face because i'm a

02:07:42.680 little bit more softer on

02:07:43.560 people you know saying the

02:07:44.800 beard makes me look a lot

02:07:45.720 more aggressive and a lot

02:07:47.360 more this is but yeah this

02:07:49.160 is just not my story this is

02:07:51.220 a story of preconceived

02:07:53.000 prejudices and all this is 1.00

02:07:55.400 stupid shit right you 1.00

02:07:57.080 know i'm saying and what 1.00

02:07:58.340 i'm saying is like to

02:07:59.660 have uh somebody you can

02:08:01.820 volley conversations not

02:08:02.900 that business and bicep and

02:08:04.020 i don't want to get this

02:08:04.580 perception that we just

02:08:06.020 deal with race no it's 1.00

02:08:07.160 okay this is good this is a

02:08:08.260 conversation that you know

02:08:09.380 like this is the kind of

02:08:10.220 thing is that you know

02:08:11.340 things happen on you

02:08:12.040 guys podcast that can be

02:08:13.080 just a good conversation

02:08:14.100 it just it's just a good

02:08:15.220 conversation amongst other

02:08:17.660 stuff that we're talking

02:08:18.740 about but the fact that race

02:08:21.640 has been so vacant from

02:08:23.080 america and people's

02:08:24.100 conversation you can look

02:08:25.780 at it as if like it's this

02:08:26.960 distant thing but you deal

02:08:28.120 with it every day and

02:08:29.740 that's all i'm saying you

02:08:31.140 know i'm saying and it

02:08:31.920 prepares you to work with

02:08:32.820 others right yes we're

02:08:33.820 digging into race and you

02:08:35.220 go and get a job in an 0.94

02:08:36.520 office with 10 people or

02:08:37.800 100 like this stuff will

02:08:39.480 prepare you to work with

02:08:41.100 the muslim who your dad 0.99

02:08:43.180 said you know attacked us 0.94

02:08:44.700 on 9-11 right you hear 1.00

02:08:46.340 this shit you're like all 0.99

02:08:47.220 right none of that so it's 1.00

02:08:49.320 important it all ties to

02:08:50.600 business it all tie backs

02:08:51.900 there's always a meaning

02:08:53.740 and i think the meaning

02:08:55.120 should never be about any

02:08:56.800 of us it should just be

02:08:58.000 about like hey trying to 1.00

02:08:59.960 share this shit with you 1.00

02:09:00.840 you know yeah yeah i think 1.00

02:09:02.700 sometimes um no i love

02:09:04.420 this man i i love even

02:09:05.720 having the opportunity to

02:09:06.720 talk to even think about

02:09:07.920 this you know i mean

02:09:09.380 sometimes i guess i get 0.96

02:09:10.500 intimidated by black guys 1.00

02:09:11.780 because i feel like they're 0.98

02:09:12.640 cooler than me and so i'm

02:09:15.340 not joking bro i'm really

02:09:16.980 serious like hip-hop culture

02:09:18.120 drives but no if i saw

02:09:19.500 three black guys that were

02:09:20.560 like that looked cool

02:09:21.800 dude i'm not joking

02:09:23.900 i think it's a this is a

02:09:25.840 real fear i don't know

02:09:26.820 what the fear is called

02:09:27.660 but i'm not joking man i

02:09:30.080 feel really intimidated

02:09:31.240 like not that they yeah i

02:09:33.800 don't know i guess i feel

02:09:34.500 like a dance contest is

02:09:35.400 gonna break out every

02:09:36.200 second or like what is

02:09:37.260 it but i feel that i feel

02:09:39.200 that sometimes i'm trying

02:09:40.500 to identify what he's

02:09:41.320 feeling

02:09:41.460 and i don't know what it

02:09:43.240 is i'm not saying that

02:09:44.040 they that they that they're

02:09:45.620 angry at me or that i'm a

02:09:46.860 i'm just saying like like

02:09:48.760 i get in i would get

02:09:49.980 more intimidated by three

02:09:51.280 like cool looking black

02:09:52.420 guys than like three like

02:09:53.940 if it was three cool

02:09:54.760 looking white guys i would

02:09:56.040 just probably think like

02:09:57.280 oh those are rich guys

02:09:58.360 whatever dude but if it

02:09:59.920 was three cool black guys

02:10:00.880 for some reason i would

02:10:01.720 feel intimidated and it

02:10:03.060 could just be a me

02:10:03.560 personally thing you know

02:10:04.600 but it probably is but 0.98

02:10:05.560 i kind of fucking i love 0.82

02:10:06.420 that maybe yeah but just 0.97

02:10:07.260 maybe i'm not as cool i

02:10:09.080 can't be as cool as those

02:10:10.760 guys maybe that's what

02:10:11.660 you know i don't know

02:10:13.060 i don't know i mean

02:10:14.940 and yeah hip-hop culture

02:10:17.040 is cool i think culture

02:10:18.240 is cool i think you

02:10:19.220 know yeah i think it

02:10:20.020 just looks better i think

02:10:20.800 hip-hop culture looks

02:10:21.540 better on black eyes

02:10:22.400 so then maybe that's why

02:10:24.660 i don't know i don't

02:10:27.060 know i don't know um

02:10:28.760 but uh but i don't yeah

02:10:30.680 man you know what's so

02:10:31.580 funny i the first time in

02:10:33.200 my life that i ever i was

02:10:35.180 out about a year and a

02:10:36.220 half ago out here i was

02:10:37.120 having a tough time getting

02:10:38.220 any traction in my career

02:10:39.660 and they you know this is a

02:10:41.500 lot of like a lot of

02:10:42.620 during the political stuff

02:10:43.440 and everybody out here 1.00

02:10:44.240 was like fuck all white 1.00

02:10:45.740 people from the midwest and 1.00

02:10:47.300 from the you know and

02:10:48.360 from the south like anybody

02:10:50.020 that i even sounded like

02:10:51.460 like my father's from

02:10:52.220 nicaragua right my mother's 0.55

02:10:53.360 from chicot from uh peoria

02:10:54.560 illinois but anybody that

02:10:56.520 even sounded like me or

02:10:57.900 look like me they were oh

02:10:59.800 this no this is bad we

02:11:01.280 don't want this on the air

02:11:02.000 this is not what we're

02:11:02.800 going for this guy doesn't

02:11:04.100 have a chance here right

02:11:05.340 now it's so liberal out

02:11:06.420 here it was so liberal i

02:11:07.780 mean dude we couldn't

02:11:08.640 even we couldn't even speak

02:11:10.280 but here here's an

02:11:11.320 interesting moment that

02:11:11.980 happened to me i was like

02:11:12.880 man i felt it i felt bad

02:11:15.240 about the way that i

02:11:15.880 looked i felt bad about

02:11:17.180 the way that i sounded

02:11:18.100 and i felt like because

02:11:20.020 of those two things i

02:11:21.640 wasn't going to be able to

02:11:22.540 live out my dreams which

02:11:24.540 were to be you know in in

02:11:26.860 the entertainment industry 0.57

02:11:27.860 so you felt like a black

02:11:28.700 person so there was a

02:11:30.120 moment for the first time

02:11:31.140 i thought i was like wow

02:11:31.960 this must be what it feels

02:11:33.900 like to be uh to be black 0.91

02:11:36.220 sometimes or to be of maybe

02:11:38.060 a woman's or you know to be

02:11:39.340 yeah but the first thing i

02:11:40.460 thought was black because

02:11:41.780 of something you can't

02:11:42.600 change but i never had that

02:11:44.620 much rubik's cube kind of

02:11:46.420 shift in one moment so

02:11:47.860 just think about like this

02:11:48.520 so if you felt like that in

02:11:49.440 the moment imagine how a

02:11:50.960 lot of black people feel all 1.00

02:11:51.760 the time yeah that before

02:11:53.740 we even get to if i'm

02:11:54.660 talented enough or skilled

02:11:55.720 enough or am i even

02:11:57.560 acceptable to do what you

02:11:59.320 being asked for i got to

02:12:00.800 deal with how i look and

02:12:01.580 how i sound you just

02:12:02.940 basically said the same

02:12:03.660 thing i said what how i

02:12:04.720 gotta like so the reason i

02:12:06.680 cuss a whole lot is to let 1.00

02:12:07.960 people know you can you

02:12:08.860 know they take curse

02:12:09.520 words and still make it

02:12:10.400 yeah reason i'm myself all

02:12:11.860 the time amongst these two

02:12:12.840 is like you can still be

02:12:14.220 yourself you don't have to

02:12:14.860 be a coon or uncle tom or 0.87

02:12:16.520 you don't have to switch

02:12:17.480 who you are in order to

02:12:18.580 make it in life like you

02:12:19.980 can still be yourself and

02:12:21.040 i think that that in itself

02:12:22.360 is my responsibility whether

02:12:24.200 they feel like it's

02:12:25.260 whether some people are

02:12:26.000 turned off by it whether

02:12:27.420 they say it's not

02:12:27.920 professional enough but

02:12:29.420 even even hearing you said

02:12:30.580 i was like wow i didn't

02:12:31.540 even realize how that can

02:12:32.300 be an adverse effect to you

02:12:33.420 because some people may

02:12:34.840 identify you as like he's

02:12:36.680 a trump supporter or he

02:12:38.660 may be somebody who looks 0.99

02:12:39.620 like people who hate black 1.00

02:12:41.080 people and we don't want 0.99

02:12:42.480 this to be um either

02:12:44.200 represented we don't want 1.00

02:12:45.080 to be involved with this

02:12:45.820 right but to even feel

02:12:47.180 like that is to feel like

02:12:48.540 how a lot of people feel

02:12:49.860 and even though in certain

02:12:51.080 segments or parts of

02:12:52.160 america people don't deal 0.99

02:12:53.720 with this so we shouldn't

02:12:54.280 have to deal with this i

02:12:55.560 think it's just like just 1.00

02:12:56.680 think about how stupid 1.00

02:12:57.240 that is though yeah like i 1.00

02:12:58.660 have to like that has to

02:12:59.400 be a thing you know oh

02:13:00.700 yeah i couldn't imagine

02:13:01.580 that i i can barely get

02:13:02.680 out of my car and know 0.99

02:13:03.380 make sure my fucking shoes 0.99

02:13:04.340 are tied i can imagine 1.00

02:13:05.220 you know at that point

02:13:07.080 though from a success

02:13:07.900 standpoint because a lot

02:13:08.840 of people when they when

02:13:09.980 they deal with doubt or

02:13:11.940 circumstances that are

02:13:13.500 challenging they say

02:13:14.460 maybe i should adapt who i

02:13:17.920 am or maybe i should come

02:13:19.380 at it differently when i

02:13:20.760 think we all know the key

02:13:22.220 to any kind of success is

02:13:24.080 authenticity pure

02:13:25.300 authenticity did you ever

02:13:26.720 at any point in that

02:13:27.940 process say maybe i gotta

02:13:29.960 dial back the accent maybe 1.00

02:13:31.380 i gotta fuck with the 1.00

02:13:32.460 haircut maybe i gotta be 1.00

02:13:33.840 less of me to make it

02:13:36.320 out here which i i it's

02:13:38.200 a question no it's a

02:13:39.220 great question i did i

02:13:40.580 mean i actually for a

02:13:41.620 while i tried to sound

02:13:42.800 like really really

02:13:43.600 mainstream and not be

02:13:44.600 myself you know i think i

02:13:46.660 grew this haircut out

02:13:47.600 because i looked at a

02:13:49.100 picture of myself and i'd

02:13:49.920 always had short hair and

02:13:50.840 i have a big nose so it's

02:13:51.900 like you can hide a big

02:13:53.420 nose better if you got you

02:13:54.440 know more hair or

02:13:55.380 something you know like

02:13:56.000 that i mean yeah okay

02:13:58.580 sorry but you can but so

02:14:01.320 those were things that

02:14:02.000 some of this was

02:14:02.520 insecurity but then once

02:14:03.760 i started growing my

02:14:04.440 hair i was like oh man

02:14:05.220 oh i i saw a picture

02:14:06.560 of myself i said i never

02:14:07.460 want to see my i'll never

02:14:09.020 know what it's like to

02:14:09.660 have long hair in my

02:14:10.380 whole life because all my

02:14:11.720 pictures are short hair i

02:14:13.220 said maybe i'll change it

02:14:14.320 up a little and just try

02:14:15.400 yeah try something wild you

02:14:17.100 know love it uh and in

02:14:19.480 canada this is a hockey

02:14:20.800 haircut in canada you

02:14:22.120 sport you think this they

02:14:23.180 think you play for the

02:14:24.300 canadians you know but

02:14:26.900 hear it down here it's

02:14:28.160 like they don't know

02:14:28.640 what you do um but i

02:14:32.680 don't man i i look

02:14:33.780 forward to coming i'd

02:14:34.520 love to come on you

02:14:35.120 guys's podcast i'll be

02:14:35.940 in columbus um i didn't

02:14:37.200 even announce these tour

02:14:38.040 dates yet but it'll be

02:14:38.800 in the early early

02:14:39.840 spring oh yeah we can't

02:14:41.020 wait to watch it so i'd

02:14:41.920 love to talk about this

02:14:42.700 kind of stuff some more

02:14:43.420 just think about it man

02:14:44.600 you know i can't wait

02:14:46.780 this is uh i don't this

02:14:48.420 is i haven't one i've

02:14:50.260 enjoyed myself and two

02:14:51.740 i i'm glad i didn't

02:14:53.820 listen to you before i

02:14:54.600 came on because like 1.00

02:14:56.120 he's like fuck you in 1.00

02:14:57.120 his head yeah no so 1.00

02:14:58.300 like i was like you

02:14:59.500 know one i said okay

02:15:00.940 is this guy cheesy

02:15:01.760 right oh yeah yeah so

02:15:03.520 first sometimes no

02:15:04.720 138 dude the level of

02:15:06.880 queso as you start to

02:15:07.940 get older in age it

02:15:09.380 builds up on you bro

02:15:10.540 you can't help i was

02:15:11.800 asking myself but then

02:15:13.060 like after you start

02:15:13.880 talking and and like

02:15:16.060 i there's a there's a

02:15:17.160 deep sense of

02:15:17.760 intelligence when you

02:15:18.560 talk because i could

02:15:19.720 tell people like i've

02:15:20.700 read enough and

02:15:21.280 listened to enough

02:15:21.780 people you could tell

02:15:22.500 through cadence through

02:15:23.360 words through purpose

02:15:24.820 how to use them how

02:15:25.760 they leverage them and

02:15:27.080 you could tell when

02:15:27.740 somebody's volleying back

02:15:28.700 and forth for

02:15:29.220 conversation i would

02:15:30.880 say if i'm not good at 0.98

02:15:31.820 a lot of shit i think 0.99

02:15:32.580 i'm good at that and 0.99

02:15:33.580 because i think in 0.99

02:15:34.160 prison you fucking hear 0.99

02:15:35.360 people talk all day 1.00

02:15:36.300 yeah and so you can

02:15:37.420 like you know you pick 0.99

02:15:38.620 up on shit well your 1.00

02:15:39.420 instincts are probably 1.00

02:15:40.080 pretty acute i bet yeah

02:15:41.520 my man there you go

02:15:42.640 so you know i don't

02:15:44.360 know i don't know i've

02:15:45.400 thoroughly enjoyed myself

02:15:46.380 and i'm pretty sure i

02:15:48.320 think but i don't

02:15:48.800 have conversations never

02:15:50.340 stop and i'd

02:15:51.300 absolutely love to have

02:15:53.000 you uh when you're in

02:15:54.360 columbus yeah that's

02:15:55.880 the whole deal with

02:15:56.520 our stuff these

02:15:57.180 conversations they don't

02:15:58.720 have an end point we're

02:15:59.720 always working to get to

02:16:01.180 a better place and we'll

02:16:02.320 die yeah working to get

02:16:04.120 to a better place i love

02:16:05.960 that i can't tell

02:16:06.880 someone when uh when

02:16:07.920 jan talks if we're like

02:16:08.740 i feel like i'm in like

02:16:09.740 in the military one

02:16:11.180 moment i'm like what

02:16:12.160 are we about to go

02:16:12.840 listen theo but no

02:16:13.960 it's great though it's

02:16:15.460 great man no i love

02:16:16.720 knowing that i have

02:16:17.340 people that i can talk

02:16:17.980 to about business you

02:16:18.900 know i love knowing that

02:16:20.060 if i you know uh this

02:16:21.300 is cool you know i'm a

02:16:22.520 big fan of you guys

02:16:23.420 dude and um i'm really

02:16:24.700 really really grateful

02:16:25.840 that i came that you

02:16:26.640 guys came out here

02:16:27.520 um you know maurice i

02:16:29.840 think one thing that

02:16:30.440 you do have a gift at

02:16:31.560 is being like uh a

02:16:33.380 liaison to people you

02:16:34.580 know and connecting

02:16:35.100 people because i mean

02:16:36.480 that is one of the

02:16:37.120 benefits of of having a

02:16:38.600 name you know is that

02:16:39.920 you get to be a bridge

02:16:40.860 you know you really uh

02:16:42.640 you know as much as

02:16:43.980 people sometimes want to

02:16:44.700 use you as a staircase

02:16:45.680 probably um i i bet a

02:16:48.060 lot more people probably

02:16:48.800 want to use you as a

02:16:49.500 bridge you know

02:16:50.260 yeah hopefully hopefully

02:16:52.480 through this podcast we

02:16:53.740 can do just that

02:16:54.620 hopefully we get people

02:16:56.260 who listen and hopefully

02:16:57.140 people who like and i've

02:16:58.640 had a ton of people i

02:16:59.920 gotta say now one of the

02:17:00.900 biggest y'all was talking

02:17:01.760 about earlier uh one of

02:17:03.380 the biggest things

02:17:04.000 happens when i was in 0.99

02:17:04.540 fucking steak and shake 0.99

02:17:05.780 not steak and shakes 1.00

02:17:06.520 the in and out no i

02:17:09.720 love shake shack

02:17:10.340 shack uh no i was in

02:17:11.960 something

02:17:12.180 Shaquille O'Neal's

02:17:12.760 house

02:17:12.900 Shaquille O'Neal

02:17:14.900 no uh Penn Station

02:17:16.820 they said this steak

02:17:18.320 cheesesteaks and a guy

02:17:21.260 came up to me and the

02:17:22.080 guy was like man and i

02:17:23.800 thought he was gonna

02:17:24.200 say something about

02:17:24.720 football but he's like

02:17:25.500 man i listen to y'all 0.99

02:17:26.280 podcasts every fucking 0.99

02:17:27.500 day and when he said it 0.99

02:17:29.240 he emphasized he said

02:17:30.280 you don't realize i 1.00

02:17:31.500 learned so much shit 0.99

02:17:32.240 from there and so that 0.99

02:17:33.640 to me yeah and when i

02:17:35.640 get dms from dudes and

02:17:37.220 these dudes are naming

02:17:37.960 specific things from what

02:17:40.040 we're talking about and

02:17:41.220 my dudes are sending me 0.99

02:17:42.140 text messages about shit 0.99

02:17:43.740 that we talked about 0.99

02:17:44.720 dude that is the most

02:17:46.340 rewarding thing to let

02:17:48.300 you know that you are

02:17:49.320 doing what you're

02:17:50.160 supposed to be doing

02:17:51.020 and i think in life

02:17:52.320 when you when you can

02:17:53.300 do what you are meant

02:17:55.180 to do and you can

02:17:56.000 connect to people in a

02:17:56.800 way that you want to

02:17:57.280 connect like that is 0.99

02:17:58.900 the greatest shit and i 0.99

02:17:59.920 think that that is like 1.00

02:18:00.860 what leaves an impact

02:18:01.640 on people

02:18:02.120 yeah i agree man i

02:18:04.560 mean yeah it's well

02:18:05.920 said yeah i think

02:18:07.060 we're you guys good

02:18:08.540 man

02:18:08.880 real good man

02:18:09.860 yeah awesome

02:18:10.600 john cory uh

02:18:11.940 maurice thank you so

02:18:12.660 much nick we good

02:18:13.440 yeah um yeah just

02:18:16.560 super grateful you

02:18:17.320 guys are here and uh

02:18:18.380 and i look forward to

02:18:19.320 doing it on you guys's

02:18:20.080 podcast in the spring

02:18:21.060 uh this is the

02:18:21.920 business and biceps

02:18:22.760 crew um here on this

02:18:24.340 past weekend thank you

02:18:25.260 guys very much

02:18:25.900 thank you

02:18:26.380 thank you

02:18:26.840 now i'm just floating on

02:18:29.720 the breeze and i feel i'm

02:18:31.540 falling like these leaves

02:18:33.360 i must be cornerstone

02:18:36.660 oh but when i reach that

02:18:40.800 ground i'll share this

02:18:42.300 peace of mind i found i can

02:18:44.620 feel it in my bones but it's

02:18:49.300 gonna take a little time for

02:18:54.980 me to set that parking

02:18:56.380 break and let myself

02:18:58.740 unwind

02:18:59.860 shine that light on me

02:19:03.860 i'll sit and tell you my

02:19:08.540 stories

02:19:09.540 shine on me

02:19:14.540 and i will find a song

02:19:18.760 i will sing it just for you

02:19:22.180 ladies and gentlemen i'm

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02:20:01.180 hi

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - October 18, 2018

Maurice Clarett, Cory Gregory, and John Fosco ｜ This Past Weekend #140

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