The Man Who Overcame Tourette's： Marc Elliot ｜ This Past Weekend
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In this episode, Theo interviews Mark Elliott, an author, TED Talker, and Tourette s Debutant. Mark talks about his journey to finding a cure for Tourette's and how he uses it to help others.
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Today's episode is a young man who, I'll be honest with you, I don't know if he had Tourette's or not, if I'm being totally frank.
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We were looking for a Tourette's guy, someone who had Tourette's or has had Tourette's.
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A lot of our listeners know I beat down syndrome when I was young.
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You know, the doctor said 95% chance that he has it, and then eventually said 40% chance.
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And by the time I was like 11 years old, they're like 0% chance, maybe 5% chance.
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So I understand people overcoming afflictions and rare diseases, but this guy, we wanted to have somebody in who had Tourette's.
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And Tourette's is a French disease that made its way to America and afflicts millions of people, maybe even hundreds of millions.
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He's given TED Talks on the subject, and this is a man who found a way to master, you know, those, you know, one of the Lord's most dangerous and wild gifts, which is Tourette's.
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Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is TED Talker, author, and Tourette's defeater, Mr. Mark Elliott.
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And I was like, because you, you know, I was looking at some of your videos, looking at your TED Talk, and I was like, wow, this guy, you know.
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So, at first, I was like, because it's about Tourette's, mostly about Tourette's syndrome, you know.
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Well, okay, so then, well, tell me what Tourette's is, man.
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So, if somebody doesn't know Tourette's, you know, like, what is it?
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Let me start there, because I think it's a little bit easier.
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The way that I understood Tourette's syndrome is that it's a neurological genetic disorder that's involuntary and has no cure.
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It's like just somebody working freelance, really, on their own.
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You know, it's somebody just, the Lord, I feel like, is just remixing somebody, and they're just kind of shook.
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Well, you know, some people, I mean, it's sort of, I mean, it's bizarre when you see somebody, you know, ticking.
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Because it's, obviously, if you know it, it's not as bizarre.
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But, you know, just from, you know, if you're just walking, or you're at McDonald's, or you're walking somewhere, and you just start seeing someone bark like a dog.
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Oh, we had a dude named Jim Wager, and he would bust out the N-word every now and then, you know?
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But he was this white guy, and he would just, and so, a lot of times, people would just take him over and, like, set him in, like, the black area of, like, the schoolyard, you know?
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And just run off and, like, just wait for him to go off, you know?
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I mean, you know, like, so you have, I mean, I guess kids can be more cruel about it.
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But, yeah, I guess for most people, if they think about it, like, if I think about it, I don't know about most people, but it's like, yeah, it's a disease, or it's a syndrome, or it's a thing where you are, like, involuntary.
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It's almost like somebody is, like, you're a puppet of, you know, some dark lord or something.
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I mean, some people did, I think some people believe that you actually are possessed by the devil kind of thing.
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Because it just, it looks, it looks, it's just intense when you're watching it.
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But let me just explain a little bit of how I actually experienced it, because it sort of evolved over the years.
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And we can talk, and I'm sure we'll talk about it more.
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But basically, you know, I even posted some videos about this, but basically, the way that I experience Tourette's is that there's a very uncomfortable feeling on the inside.
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So I always tell people, you know, think of an itch.
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You know, so if you think of an itch right now, you'll probably just get one.
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So there's this uncomfortable feeling in my body.
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And when I was a kid, the only way I knew how to get rid of that feeling was to, or to say a word.
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Or to, you know, hump my, thrust my hips, whatever it was.
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You just feel so much better because that discomfort, whatever that itch is, it was gone.
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Now, of course, when I was a kid, I didn't have that type of understanding about it though.
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I just was, there was, so basically there's the itch.
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And I wasn't like, oh, I have this, this itch and doing it.
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It all was one big mesh kind of ball of Tourette's, you know?
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And the, the, the thing is when you use that analogy though, you have to be careful because people could then, you know, say, well, why'd you just not scratch it?
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And, and that's a great question, but it's tough.
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You know, imagine having 10, like instead of just that one itch that you might be feeling on your leg, imagine now having 10, 15, 20 itches all in one spot.
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Oh, well then if somebody looks at you and says, I have an itch right now and I'm not scratching it, that person is, we usually, you know, that person's with Satan or that person is like a, that's a sociopath.
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Imagine somebody leaning over to you and be like, Hey man, I have the biggest itch.
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I'm like, you know, my, my leg is, my arm is itching so bad, but guess what?
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Wanting to scratch an itch, that's totally normal.
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And growing up, I didn't, uh, I didn't know of any other way it could be.
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And so my definition of Tourette's now has sort of evolved over time, but this is kind of interesting for me.
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That itch that I described to me, that's Tourette's syndrome.
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And then when you see somebody tick or somebody would see me tick, that was actually me in a sense, coping with my Tourette's.
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So the itch is the Tourette's, the uncomfortability, the, you know, uh, the, you know, the baffling uncomfortability, the need to do something, the incontrollable desire to act.
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It's the way that I can get rid of that, that uncomfortable feeling.
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Because as soon as that feeling goes away, you feel.
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But with Tourette's syndrome, it's difficult because that feeling comes right back.
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Now, how, is there special ways, like I remember this one kid, like the same kid, this boy Jim Wager at school, they would put like, you know, if they laid him on the, no joke, they'd lay him on the ground and put like cement on his back.
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Just like, you know, blocks, not cinder blocks, but thick kind of chunks of cement, you know?
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So, and it would like, I don't know if that was the weight of it or something.
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It would kind of like, you know, it would exacerbate the desire or the buildup, I guess, of the Tourette's in him, you know?
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I mean, it was also kind of old school, you know, not doctor, you know.
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But I remember, yeah, at one point they were stacking and then it got a little bit weird because people were just stacking pieces of cement on him, you know?
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Like, and at one point he was basically in like a, I mean, it looked like he was in his own little 9-11 there, you know?
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Dude, did you ever have that teacher that would come to school?
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He would come to school and do like the karate presentation for the student body.
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I mean, yes, a vague memory of like, you know, sort of like a 50-year-old man, like the huge, you know, in the white karate jersey, whatever you call it.
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Yeah, that was a big thing in the South where every like other year or something, one teacher would put on like a skill they had.
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And this one dude had nunchucks, I guess, you know, and he had an assistant and he literally, they started it and he hit this girl right in the neck.
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I mean, this was a different time when they didn't care if everybody was okay, you know.
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But anyway, so yeah, not trying to, you know, but I would see, I saw this, the only experience I had with being around somebody with Tourette's when I was young.
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And this isn't about me, but it was just, you know, this boy that had it and how people would react to him.
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And then, you know, people would do things like, I remember a lot of people would like kind of hug him or push on him sometimes.
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And it would, it would make him kind of feel okay or comfortable for a little bit.
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Did you find ways that made the Tourette's feel more comfortable to you or to kind of like quell it so that it didn't build up so fast?
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Because like you said, you relieved it with a tick.
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You would release it or relieve it and then it would start to build up again.
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Well, the cool thing is with that analogy that I was describing with the itch and the scratch, now sort of looking back, I see that, and again, I'm not a doctor.
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When you take medication, in a sense, that numbs the itch.
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So now if the itch is numbed, you have less of a desire to want to scratch that itch because you don't feel it as much.
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So for a lot of people with Tourette's or sort of other neurological disorders like that, I think that's so beneficial and helpful to them because they don't have that desire.
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For me, though, the consequence and the ramifications were the side effects from the medication.
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Oh, some of the side, it was, I mean, I had sedation.
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I mean, even one time I had really suicidal thoughts.
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It's sort of like there's this kind of wall or this sort of like buffer between-
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I've found that with antidepressants, it's like, yeah, I don't feel depressed, but I
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also don't know if I'm 100% and I'm just sort of separated from my feelings overall.
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So I don't feel as much of whatever my feelings are.
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And for somebody, that might be worth the trade.
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I mean, you're in such a difficult position already, you know?
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So, I mean, to be, for a lot of people in my situation, your tics are that bad, you're
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You just, I just remember a lot of times crying because it was just so bad.
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This is not, yeah, I didn't have a self-diagnosis.
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So, I had, you know, like little things like sniffing and-
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My brother even put like a contraption on my nose when I was a kid because I was just like-
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So, imagine like your little brother like constantly sniffing on your face.
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It's not even alarming like maybe something's wrong.
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Like, yeah, my brother's a French bulldog all of a sudden, you know, or something, you know?
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And then, supposedly, the way it goes down is my dad was reading Ann Landers, which was-
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I don't know if it's still around, but it's like a medical column or something on the newspaper.
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She was like a grandma that gave you good advice.
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He was reading the article, and so the way I kind of imagine it, you know, he's reading
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the article and sees me and reads the article and sees me, and eventually, he goes, you
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It was an article about Tourette's and the Ann Landers.
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And we went to a neurologist, and, you know, there's no blood tests or anything like this.
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I think in order to be diagnosed with Tourette's, you need to have both motor and vocal tics.
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I mean, you were making the joke about the friend that you knew.
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At least if I get busted saying it, dude, I don't have Tourette's, you know?
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Yeah, I'm going to put that out there right now.
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But, yeah, it's like if somebody, you know, so you would say that.
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You're like, oh, shit, I got to get to a white area of town?
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Well, the thing is, with the analogy that I was describing to you.
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So, first off, I wasn't saying the N-word when I was, you know, in fourth grade.
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But, you know, I've heard of some cases where, you know, you hear some kids are saying just inappropriate
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Not even that they have a- they're not even cognitive to understand what they're saying,
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It's just maybe they know it's not a good word.
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But as I got older, I also had pretty serious OCD.
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And OCD was basically, you know, obsessive compulsive disorder.
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And it was basically the same thing as the Tourette's in the sense of there's this uncomfortable
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feeling and I have to do something to get rid of this.
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So, the way that it manifested for me was, I would- I used to think of what's the riskiest
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And whatever the hell that was, that became my itch.
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So, give me an example of that you're about to, I guess.
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So, I used to stick my hand down the garbage disposal.
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My mom was- when she heard that I was doing that, that was- that didn't go over well.
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I mean, I'm so grateful to have my fingers, but there was just this-
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And sometimes I would lift myself over the ledge of a- if I'm on a building or, you know,
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And then, when you're around people, I used to think of what's the riskiest thing I could
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Within a half a second, you know- you could- you know three risky things you could say
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That would either offend them or would be about their insecurity.
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Well, the thing is, so growing up, you know, the mullet was something that was, like,
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So, it's like something that feels forbidden that you maybe wouldn't say.
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That thing starts to bubble up in the background.
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Now, I'm curious about this because you know what to – so, like, say if I, you know,
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look at you, right, and I would think, like, you know, I would think this, you know, the
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first thing I would think would be, what's that store that's in all the malls?
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The one that goes that's in every mall where people buy, like, nice clothes, but it's
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So I would think, like, Banana Republic, like, right when I saw you, you know, or, like,
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J.Crew or something, you know, like, kind of like a put-together kind of, you know,
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And not – and so – but, like, yeah, I might not just say that right when I saw you.
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You know, like, I wouldn't think of that even as a bad thing, but just like, oh, you
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So I think, oh, that might be something popping in my head.
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Banana Republic, you know, J.Crew, you know, Wells Fargo, something in my head
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that pops up, so then if I was just sitting there – now, is that an idea that comes
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Is it an idea that comes to you of something negative to say?
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I'm literally – I'm literally thinking, what's the worst thing I could say right now?
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I don't know the physics behind that, like, the mechanics of how that worked, especially
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then, but it was just until I then said that word.
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So if I was with you, oh, my God, I got to say mullet.
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And I'm – this dialogue is going on in my head.
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I mean, to some people, it's just – they're just being an asshole.
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If they have that, what's the difference between somebody who's just an asshole and
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The thing is, is that I don't think – I think it's more about the person's intent.
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You know, so where there's a lot of – there's people who say a lot of mean things to people.
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And they are purposely trying to hurt the person.
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Meaning, you know, trying to degrade, trying to do something to take them down.
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Where with me, with the Tourette's syndrome, and I think, you know, most people with Tourette's
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syndrome, that wasn't what I ultimately was trying to do.
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Even though it seemed from the outside, dude, you're just saying – you're just saying
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And you mentioned that you were going to – I don't know if we were going to watch it
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later or not, but there's a clip from South Park.
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I don't know if that's one of the ones that you saw.
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We have some – do you want to pop in on them now, Nick?
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A lot of people with Tourette's have different tics.
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My tic is that I have to bend my neck and step my fingers, but a lot of people don't even
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I think the last one was actually Nick Swartzen.
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He told me the other day he was going to shit out of his armpits.
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And I think that – and that was in a Christmas card, so he certainly may have it.
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I mean, first off, I'm laughing because I haven't seen that in a long time.
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I mean, I think just them in general, I think they have a certain brilliance of how
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I had a – I really had a belief growing up that you have to make light of things.
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And I also – I had an amazing support system with my family, and I had a belief that if
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I wanted to be – if I wanted people to be tolerant of me, I also needed to be tolerant
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And, I mean, when I see that now, it's a little bit different from when I had it,
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I mean, when he sees it when – the very first scene, when Cartman finds it, he learns
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about Tourette's syndrome for a – he goes, I found the golden ticket, and he sings this
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Because he found a way to be able to say what he wants to say.
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And that's why I was thinking of – I thought of this clip, because when you were asking
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about, you know, what's the difference between somebody who's just a jerk?
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And it's – you know, I don't think most people with Tourette's view it that way.
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I don't think that they're the kind of person – or I know I wasn't –
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You know, it's like – it's – you know, because – and this is the other thing to it.
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So, there's funny parts to it, and it's great, and then there's also all the other
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You know, like, I was – you know, I had an older brother that liked men and was gay.
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That's tough to, you know, constantly be around your brother and say –
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And tick really offensive things for gay people.
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– of what it's like to be in front of people.
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Ticking the N-word right in front of their face.
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But then also, like, you are like a lesson for everybody in – you know, since it's
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involuntary, you have the ability to be a way that everybody could kind of just learn
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You know, it's almost like you're just like kind of like this tutorial, kind of this bootleg
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tutorial that's kind of floating around the universe when you have it of, you know, be
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tolerant, you know, because it's not – it's coming from another realm, really.
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It's not, you know, it's not like you're sitting there and you got a 30-second timer
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and you clock in and then, you know, in 29 seconds you're going to straight up drop
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It's almost like – you're like the Bruce Willis of, like, profanity, kind of, I feel
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I mean, it was – obviously, you know, every –
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Nine seconds left on this before I yell fatty to everybody here in the cafeteria.
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I mean, I'm taking racials, thirds, cuss words.
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You know, if I, you know, walked up to somebody and they had a mole, I would start ticking
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Austin Powers came out with the whole mole-y-mole, the guac.
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That was Fred Savage that had that mole in Austin Powers.
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And if you have a mole, dude, I had some moles when I was growing up, and I, like a
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normal person, cut them all off one night when I was drunk in high school, which is
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something I highly recommend to a lot of people, dude.
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Oh, I just took some toenail clippers and just sawed them all off, dude, and had a couple
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One of them kept coming back for about six years, and finally I got to the root of it.
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But you know one thing that's fascinating, man, when I hear you talk about this?
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And look, we're just, yeah, we're joking about this in some light, you know?
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It's like, but we're not, I'm not, you know, discrediting that, you know, the disease or
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Like, and I think it's, I think it's fascinating, man.
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I mean, I couldn't, I'm trying to equate it to, like, what does it feel like?
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Like, because I have this feeling inside of me sometimes that makes me want to, like,
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It's like, and for me sometimes it's like a, you know, some people will call it like
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an alcoholism or something inside of them that, like, it's like a restless, irritable, discontent
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And it's almost like when you see a power line and it's cut and it's on the street,
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It's like, that's, that's the feeling I get inside of myself sometimes at night.
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And it's like, I can't, it's like, I want to do something.
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It's just like, I need to do something right now.
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And I don't even know what it is, but it's like, I need to do something so I can just,
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What I don't even, I don't even know what it is.
00:28:07.840
But when you're talking about Tourette's, it made me think like, man, that's, I, that's
00:28:13.460
something like that I get, but it's in my whole being.
00:28:15.900
It's like in my, and I guess when you really have Tourette's and you have that, I can't
00:28:21.900
imagine, I have some control of whether or not I do something.
00:28:25.100
I can't imagine not having control and knowing that whatever this is, like a champagne bubble
00:28:30.260
is just going to bubble up to the surface of you.
00:28:32.880
I don't, I think it's actually pretty correct what you're saying.
00:28:35.440
I mean, I, I really believe sort of everybody has Tourette's now.
00:28:40.240
And again, I, I won't keep qualifying it, but it's, this is my experience now, you know,
00:28:46.720
of my journey of living with Tourette's for 20 years.
00:28:50.460
You know, my friends and I, we think when I wrote my first book, we were estimating, I
00:28:55.680
probably ticked around 25 million times, you know, that's like, comes out to like over
00:29:03.260
So, you know, really experiencing Tourette's, knowing what it was like living with a day in
00:29:09.660
day out and then overcoming it and going through that journey.
00:29:13.500
I, I just, I, I, I think about it and feel about it very differently now.
00:29:17.920
And I sort of think that in a sense, we all have Tourette's.
00:29:21.820
And I, so I think it's, it does make sense that you say that as I'm describing it, you're
00:29:26.020
like, you know, I wonder if I feel, I think I know that feeling or might know that feeling.
00:29:33.600
And I don't mean that, I'm not saying that I can relate to having Tourette's, but I can,
00:29:37.000
when you said that, man, it's, it was very specific, like, man, that's the feeling that
00:29:42.280
It's like an uncontrollable thing and it, it's in me and I can feel it like, it's almost
00:29:48.640
like an amoeba or something that is like alive.
00:29:51.100
And it's like, it's not really in a specific spot, but it's like on the edge of my skin,
00:29:55.980
And it makes me want to do something, you know, it makes me want to, you know, for me,
00:30:02.080
it usually comes out in like a master, like masturbation, smoking cigarettes, it makes me
00:30:10.420
But yeah, so I can't, I can't, I can't imagine if you're just sitting there like nine years
00:30:16.020
old and you just feel the dark arts bubbling up.
00:30:19.520
Well, I don't, what I, what I don't know is why that feeling started for me, you know,
00:30:26.380
Was there a time before that you didn't have it?
00:30:28.500
I mean, supposedly, you know, I started ticking when I was around four or five.
00:30:33.340
And so whatever it was, you know, my, my body, whatever it was, just, let's say it is genetic.
00:30:42.740
Let's just say it is, you know, I mean, I, I experienced it way less that way, but who knows,
00:30:47.260
but maybe my, uh, you know, one of my mentors said to me, you know, maybe your body had a
00:30:52.180
genetic predisposition towards feeling that feeling.
00:30:56.020
So maybe my body was more sensitive in feeling that feeling.
00:31:00.540
And as I just grew up, you know, as a little kid and you feel that feeling, what do you
00:31:07.220
You do whatever you can to not feel uncomfortable.
00:31:15.560
I have a feeling and I go, Oh, I don't like that.
00:31:21.960
And the 20 seconds, two minutes, five minutes go by and all of a sudden the feeling comes
00:31:26.060
And I go, Oh, I know how to get rid of that feeling.
00:31:33.640
So the way that I think about my Tourette's is that in a sense that I, it was a type of positive
00:31:38.440
feedback loop that, um, I just continued to do and I didn't ever learn.
00:31:46.160
And I never learned a different way to deal or cope with that feeling.
00:31:50.580
You know, it wasn't, uh, and who knows if you would have, this was probably your, because
00:31:54.500
a lot of times naturally you'll do what you need to do.
00:31:57.060
So, yeah, you know, and some people, I don't know the exact statistic, but you know, 50,
00:32:01.460
maybe 50% of people grow out of Tourette's, you know, and some people's tics wax and wane
00:32:07.540
And so, you know, everyone's got a different body, a different, they relate to their body
00:32:14.760
Um, you know, all these different kinds of things.
00:32:17.040
So, um, and do you have to now say, if, are there people who are diagnosed with, like,
00:32:29.220
Because when I saw it, when I, when I was like watching some of your tech, I was like,
00:32:33.080
this guy doesn't have any, this guy seems fine.
00:32:39.020
Well, it's, it just depends on what, when, what videos you saw and when.
00:32:45.140
When you go back to the ones from you growing up and different points in your life and
00:32:48.240
showing like, it's like, oh, wow, that would be, I couldn't imagine that.
00:32:52.020
Would we have the ability to play the tick compilation?
00:32:58.960
You would just type in Mark Elliott tick compilation.
00:33:03.880
Because I'm not sure which one you, yeah, which videos you saw.
00:33:15.680
Dude, how have you not remixed your ticks, dude?
00:33:17.640
We'll have, somebody, uh, somebody, uh, fan of the show will definitely, uh, put some
00:33:35.340
So this, once I beat it, I used to then play this clip.
00:33:39.940
At the beginning of my speeches because no one would believe me that I had to Rats.
00:33:59.480
I have Tourette's, by the way, just want to throw that out there, okay?
00:34:08.420
I said, come here, I've got Tourette's, I've got Tourette's, I've got Tourette's.
00:34:35.420
So was this, is this something that, so you have this bite, it's like a sound and a biting
00:34:47.200
You're like Drew Brees, basically, but no one's ever snapping the ball, kind of.
00:34:52.460
I'm reliving, I'm living my dream of being a QB, right?
00:34:58.600
Dude, blue 42, you throw in two blue 42s right there, bro.
00:35:01.980
It must be an arrowhead or something, because they can't see him, so it just keeps yelling
00:35:06.840
And it's a feeling that's, for that, you know, it's a feeling in my teeth, it's a feeling
00:35:14.880
How does this relate to like a cerebral palsy almost?
00:35:17.140
Because you, now, because that I feel like, or like a, I'm trying to think of something
00:35:21.520
that would be like the deep end of maybe along that same spectrum, you know, where it like
00:35:29.880
The way that a doctor explained to me pretty early on, they described Tourette's syndrome
00:35:37.540
Because we're talking in the realm of neurological genetic sort of involuntary disorders, because
00:35:44.820
you can't really compare Tourette's to like MS.
00:35:49.820
Or Parkinson's and things like that in the same way, because with my very little knowledge
00:35:55.260
of those kinds of things, like, you know, like a tremor is, that's something that's
00:36:04.300
Like if you have Parkinson's, I think, it's like, you know, their arm is shaking.
00:36:07.460
It's not just like, oh, I have this itch and I need to keep going like this.
00:36:10.860
But it's like they're, the physiology is doing that.
00:36:15.460
Where with the Tourette's, it's not like my mouth was, it's not that my mouth just did
00:36:24.720
It's, I'm saying, Mark, okay, you need to move your mouth now.
00:36:31.860
So that's why it's different the way that I, that a way that I understand it.
00:36:37.600
So underneath it, they would just, so the mother, so it's kind of the root of some of
00:36:41.600
those other disorders you're saying when you said the mother disorder.
00:36:43.960
Well, I don't know if it's the root, but he, the way he described it is if there's
00:36:46.640
this umbrella and the top is Tourette's, there's a lot of comorbid disorders.
00:36:51.720
So like ADD, ADHD, social anxiety, anxiety, OCD, those kinds of things.
00:36:57.380
And oftentimes people that are diagnosed with Tourette's, those other disorders are much
00:37:04.360
You know, cause if you've got really bad OCD, I mean, that can really mess with you and
00:37:13.120
We had a dude I remember in school and he had a, um, I guess it was like a big bag or something
00:37:19.320
and every, I mean, two, three times a day he'd have to get in this bag.
00:37:23.860
It was like a huge duffel bag, you know, like a ski equipment bag.
00:37:27.100
And this dude would just get in it, yeah, get in it, zip it up and then get back out.
00:37:30.520
You know, it was like, he was like a magician, like he worked like a magician's assistant,
00:37:36.180
You know, you just see this dude just lay his bag down, get in a bag, zip it up from
00:37:40.600
the inside, then unzip it and get back out and just sit back at his desk.
00:37:45.060
And it was just like, damn, you know, Lonnie's bagging himself, you know, and everybody was
00:37:50.040
But, um, but I think it's funny the different, you know, like, man, I can, you know, the more
00:37:56.640
you say some of this stuff, man, and I'm not trying to make this about me at all, but it
00:38:00.400
makes me think a lot about how people describe alcoholism, you know, how they describe it
00:38:06.280
like it is this thing that they just feel like they have to do.
00:38:12.000
There's a, something inside of them that is an uncomfort that makes them then feel like
00:38:17.380
they have to engage in drugs, alcohol, illicit activities to quell the uncomfort.
00:38:22.560
It's not like most of the time it's not people like, oh, I love the taste of beer all the
00:38:26.960
That's why I drink or that's why I love cocaine.
00:38:29.260
It's like there's an uncomfort and to quell it, these are the things that I'm using, you
00:38:35.860
Um, so it's really fascinating because it sounds in some ways like some of the roots are the
00:38:40.500
There's an uncomfort that builds up and then you are doing your.
00:38:47.380
You're doing something just to relieve it, just to make it go away.
00:38:53.560
And so how do you get from where you were then to where you are now, where now, you know,
00:39:00.780
you don't, you are, uh, you know, recovering, you're recovering Tourette's.
00:39:13.160
Um, I just want to say, you know, I, I, I do understand what you're saying and I don't
00:39:25.080
And so, uh, you know, because we also just live in very sensitive times right now.
00:39:31.100
You know, and so it's, it's difficult because some of the things that I'm trying to say,
00:39:35.520
it's, it's a delicate balance because I'm one, I'm sharing my experience.
00:39:40.560
Um, I do believe though that by sharing some of my experience, it might shed light into
00:39:45.220
other people's experience of them dealing with Tourette's.
00:39:53.680
It was, you have Tourette's, this neurological genetic disorder that's involuntary and has
00:39:59.320
So, uh, you know, with respect to that feeling, this is kind of the way I think about it.
00:40:03.780
So if there's that feeling, and as I got older, I had more of that awareness about, okay, look,
00:40:13.300
It's like the itchy and scratchy show from, uh, Simpsons a little bit, but like in one person.
00:40:25.380
And it's also, I'm, it was a war zone on the inside.
00:40:29.000
Because not only was I just, you know, one thing, if it was just myself on the planet and
00:40:34.340
there's not a single person, it's just me all day scratching.
00:40:38.000
You know, but it was, you know, I, I, I didn't have a lot of self-confidence.
00:40:42.080
I'm, so I'm thinking about the feeling and then I'm going, oh my God, I'm about to take
00:40:49.500
And all this is going on through my head or imagine, you know, you're about to say the
00:40:55.420
Or when I was in an airport, I would take bomb all the time, you know, things like that.
00:40:59.920
So it's, you know, or I mean more funny ones too.
00:41:03.480
Or even when I was with a girl, I would take other girls' names.
00:41:12.680
Imagine if right when you pick a girl up and you're like, uh, drop her off early.
00:41:16.940
You just, she can tell immediately if you're interested or not.
00:41:25.380
The rest of us have to mill around all night, you know, just bullshitting, spending $40
00:41:30.340
at Chili's and then we got to take the girl and we're not even interested.
00:41:35.480
So if you say it, you kind of just see where they're at.
00:41:38.000
And then, but what the funniest thing was one of those uncomfortable things wasn't even
00:41:43.700
It was, I met a girl, just, I just, I was crazy about this girl.
00:41:58.220
I've done that over text here where you get a girl's number and then seven minutes later
00:42:07.640
And I shouldn't have made a joke out of that moment.
00:42:10.280
I, I can't imagine that dude, because then it's like, well, did that start to show you
00:42:15.740
something like unique about like feelings and stuff though?
00:42:18.540
Because then it's like, you know, save you, because there is something funny.
00:42:23.260
If you meet a girl and like in your head, you know, you go off on, you know, this adventure
00:42:26.740
like, oh, I'm in love with this girl or something special.
00:42:29.200
And, and sometimes that happens just immediately out of the gate, you know, you'll, and within
00:42:33.140
two minutes you have all of these, you know, you guys are living in a castle and she's beautiful
00:42:36.660
and there's all these perfect things going on in your head.
00:42:38.820
And did you start to find that sometimes your Tourette's was a good, like crystal ball
00:42:44.060
of people that were like good people or people that meant something to you?
00:43:04.980
And that is why though, I think it relates to so many things because that feeling, whatever
00:43:11.400
it is for people, we all have these feelings and so often don't feel we have control.
00:43:17.640
And what makes Tourette's unique, I think is that, and again, I haven't been an alcoholic.
00:43:22.260
I haven't done these things, but for all of us that have that feeling, you know, if you
00:43:26.920
have that uncomfortable feeling and you want to get a drink, you have to go get a drink.
00:43:30.000
Or if you want to overeat or you want to just eat to cover that feeling, you got to go to
00:43:36.820
With Tourette's syndrome, you don't have to go anywhere for it.
00:43:44.120
So I, you know, in some sense, I think that's what makes it unique, but I think what also
00:43:48.820
then makes it very universal is, is that we all, and I think there's, you know, as a
00:43:53.480
society, we have trouble dealing with those feelings.
00:43:56.760
And I just learned a very specific way to do it, genetic or not, it doesn't really matter.
00:44:05.360
That you learned a very specific way to deal with that feeling.
00:44:08.340
And what I think makes it also different is, you know, when somebody, like, have you ever,
00:44:12.240
you know, been uncomfortable and you just go to the refrigerator?
00:44:16.320
Maybe you just, you're just all of a sudden at the refrigerator.
00:44:19.440
The thing is, we don't call that a medical condition.
00:44:27.360
And again, it's not like snacking is the same thing, the same dynamic.
00:44:35.540
Our audience is like totally, you know, usually understanding about like, you know, discussing
00:44:39.680
But I think it's neat is that for me, when I started to shift my perception that way with
00:44:46.440
But I want to know what is, so it seemed like you had, you started to find some solution for
00:44:52.680
But, so, as I was describing with the metaphor, is it a metaphor and analogy?
00:45:01.340
I don't know anything and everybody's been listening for a while now.
00:45:05.940
Okay, so that, if I've got that dynamic, I got this itch and I got this scratch.
00:45:10.400
Basically, when I was a kid, doctors told me, hey, that itch, by the way, that's a neurological
00:45:19.800
So, imagine, as a kid, what do you think I'd do when they tell me that?
00:45:25.400
That just becomes, basically, the law of gravity.
00:45:30.880
You don't even question what the desire to act out or do something or say something strange?
00:45:46.200
I mean, think of those words as a child, as you're hearing those words.
00:45:55.220
Oh, I would think it would very much sentence you to a way of thought and belief.
00:46:04.340
But why then, as a child, with respect to this whole itching and scratching and ticking and all this stuff, why would I ever evaluate it again?
00:46:16.800
It's just, okay, this whole thing that's going on, this is Tourette's.
00:46:21.640
It's all just under one big label of Tourette's syndrome.
00:46:27.780
So, just, I wanted to preface that, because that helps see, it's like, why would you ever question that?
00:46:31.900
Like, if people tell you, like, yeah, you'll never bend your leg from a kid, and you're a child, then you'll just probably think your whole life you never will.
00:46:39.640
And rarely would some people even think to go back and think, well, can I bend my leg?
00:46:43.620
And when I speak, oftentimes, you know, I talk about with childhood, like, we're told so many things as a kid.
00:46:50.300
That some are totally true, and some are totally false, though.
00:46:56.840
And the thing is, is the one caveat to that is, as a kid, you don't know the difference between what's true and false.
00:47:03.540
So, you don't know the difference between Santa Claus and eat your veggies.
00:47:08.660
I was thinking about that last night, that kids believe that Santa Claus exists.
00:47:14.040
Do you believe there's a senior citizen in the sky?
00:47:17.960
They'd shoot him down over half these countries.
00:47:22.080
Oh, you know how many other small sleighs would pull up alongside him in Somalia?
00:47:30.500
But, yeah, but as a kid, we believe that wholeheartedly.
00:47:33.140
So, it really does take you into the mind of a kid.
00:47:37.980
So, then when I was older, I guess this is now eight, nine years ago, I met this other speaker,
00:47:43.940
and he introduced me to these amazing classes called Executive Success Programs.
00:47:47.380
And these courses had nothing to do with Tourette's, nothing at zero to do with Tourette's.
00:47:54.300
These are classes that teach people about emotional intelligence, fears, limiting beliefs, all
00:48:16.220
No, I just know a dude named Gary, and he sent me some links, but I was just wondering
00:48:24.840
So, the cool thing was, I ended up finally going to the classes.
00:48:31.120
They just teach you about the human psychodynamic.
00:48:37.560
And after the first five days, I started to learn so much about myself, of just how I work.
00:48:43.460
And again, when I say I learned about myself, literally what I'm saying is, you go to school
00:48:48.060
to learn about math, arithmetic, well, that's math.
00:49:01.800
There's a bunch of things at school, most schools, general public doesn't teach you about
00:49:12.460
And you're just kind of supposed to figure it out when you're older, kind of thing.
00:49:15.540
Like, how is race relations not a class that they have in elementary school?
00:49:22.400
We're still teaching kids about a fucking Gerald Ford dude.
00:49:25.920
Who I think played for the Celtics or was a president.
00:49:30.620
Emotional intelligence should be the number one thing we're teaching kids after how to communicate.
00:49:45.540
But the point is, I didn't learn about those kinds of things.
00:49:55.540
So I started to learn a lot about the nature of fear as well.
00:49:58.600
Now, with OCD, remember, I also had really bad OCD.
00:50:03.720
And I started, like, starting putting pieces together.
00:50:07.700
Like, maybe that feeling that I've been talking about.
00:50:15.340
Remember, it's like you have to do something to feel better.
00:50:21.000
And I started realizing, like, maybe I have some fears there.
00:50:25.420
So right after the first five days, I ended up going down to Panama.
00:50:34.280
And with my OCD and stuff, with the Tourette's, I had a bunch of shit around my face and touching.
00:50:49.340
Fucking some dude just sitting there patty-caking himself.
00:50:59.140
But seriously, sometimes if a friend touched my, like, one side of my face, I would go,
00:51:02.960
dude, you got to touch the other side of my face.
00:51:06.480
When I used to walk down the street when I was young, I would, I would, like, bite this
00:51:11.520
And then I would have to bite on this side of my mouth.
00:51:14.980
And, dude, I did that for probably eight years, man.
00:51:19.040
And when it went away, I never fucking, I would, it was all I would think about when
00:51:23.580
I was walking and biting, making sure I was even.
00:51:25.980
And then when it finally went away, I never fucking thought about it again.
00:51:30.100
Until pretty much maybe now and one other time in the past 25 years.
00:51:35.500
So basically, I'm at the beach and I go, you know what?
00:51:38.680
I'm going to, I'm going to start going against this.
00:51:41.040
And I had, you know, get all these fears about germs in my face and I go, F this.
00:51:45.340
And I take all the sand on the beach and I start rubbing it all over my face.
00:51:50.300
And it was, I really look at that as the beginning of beating my Tourette's because it was, it was
00:52:04.440
And, and that experience was just so emotional and also just eyeopening for me.
00:52:10.880
Cause I, you know, what do you think I said to myself after that?
00:52:14.160
Like I'm rubbing this all over and then I'm there and I go, I'm okay.
00:52:22.460
A dragon didn't, the earth didn't split open and fire eating.
00:52:26.620
You know, all the kids from my childhood didn't come back and rip me back into the fucking universe.
00:52:34.000
So I ended up going through more of the classes and the president of the company, her name was Nancy Salzman.
00:52:43.000
And on the sixth day, you start to look at fears and it was really cool because I had had enough shifts at this point that I go, you know what?
00:53:04.260
And it was, if you would have, if like, I would have known you Theo back then and you would have known me the day before I would have started that training.
00:53:10.540
And if you would have said, hey, Mark, you might be afraid of losing Tourette's.
00:53:13.380
I would have been like, what did you just say to me?
00:53:20.120
And again, I wouldn't, even if, even if you would have said, Mark, it's part of your identity.
00:53:23.340
I go, what do you mean it's part of my identity?
00:53:25.100
I wouldn't even, even have known how to talk to you about that.
00:53:33.260
That is crazy that somebody would say that because it's the last thing you would think.
00:53:40.960
And I started to do a bunch of explorations and I finished that course.
00:53:45.040
And that was really all about the Tourette's was like, you know, looking at the fear, but
00:53:49.140
I just started learning just a lot more about my mind and my thoughts and how a lot about
00:53:54.180
the mind body connection about how, you know, things are connected.
00:53:57.280
And so that was September or excuse me, that was over a summer.
00:54:03.740
The whole school year went by and I'm back on the road speaking.
00:54:08.080
At the time I was, I was speaking a lot of high schools and colleges all around the country
00:54:15.180
Because by the end of that school year, that feeling had gone down so much that literally
00:54:21.940
I started to need to almost like fabricate ticking a little bit.
00:54:35.340
So it wasn't like it was done by any means, but it was, you know, these people were hiring
00:54:42.760
If you say you're fucking, you know, running dope, you better show up with a mule, you know?
00:54:51.300
So at that point I go, you know what, Mark, you can beat this.
00:54:55.640
And I ended up going back the following summer and I took some more courses.
00:54:59.740
I was there for 17 days and now I came with the intention and every day I worked on my
00:55:06.940
mind, my body, everything relating to the Tourette's, anything that I could think of
00:55:10.460
that, because basically what I found was, is that my Tourette's was way more emotional
00:55:18.720
Man, it's, I can't even tell you enough, like everything you're saying, it's very similar
00:55:23.340
to stuff that you hear in a lot of like 12 step programs, you know?
00:55:26.460
It's like, it's whatever's behind the behavior.
00:55:31.000
Well, ultimately, and what I, what I talk to people about is that I found, not I found,
00:55:36.120
through the help of some amazing people and tools, I found the cause.
00:55:45.580
I don't even know if I found the, the cause cause of it all, but I found a way to short,
00:55:54.620
And I found of so much of what was causing that feeling.
00:56:00.680
I don't know what originally caused it, like how that feeling got there.
00:56:12.920
And, you know, with the incredible help of these people and ESP, I, I found a way to begin
00:56:21.780
Now, what about somebody who doesn't have the money to go to courses or who's not like,
00:56:25.920
what can, you know, somebody that has like a, a tick even, even if their tick isn't at
00:56:31.800
the level where they would get them, you know, it'd be classified as Tourette's, you know?
00:56:35.360
Um, I believe that there is a bigger thing going on in the world where it's like, we
00:56:40.240
don't use our human interaction isn't as used as much anymore.
00:56:43.860
Like we're kind of out of this like colonial survival kind of times and tribal times and
00:56:48.420
we're getting a lot more into like a sedate time.
00:56:50.780
And so our nerves, which used to be like kind of the leaders of like what was going on,
00:56:58.240
If somebody was outside, is my family all in the home, you know, the, the, that system
00:57:02.240
that was always a running and it's a security system now has kind of been like idle in us
00:57:07.800
And so it seems like I wouldn't be surprised if there could be things starting to kink in
00:57:11.740
it or, you know, it's settling into its kind of new unnecessary system, you know, unnecessary
00:57:18.340
So I could see like a lot of things like alcoholism, Tourette's, like just, uh, malfunctions of
00:57:24.840
it, you know, or, um, errors in the city, you know, just from not use, you know, like, cause
00:57:31.200
when you think about how much in a couple of generations, we're not using our fight or
00:57:36.460
And to think such a powerful system sitting inside of us, it's like, what's going on there?
00:57:43.160
You know, it's almost pretty bizarre and I have no proof of that, but when I just think
00:57:47.440
of things on like a more of like a macro level, I could easily see in hearing you say that
00:57:52.240
and seeing how many people are like, you know, struggling with their feelings and stuff
00:57:56.200
these days and, and, and feeling like a desire, but not knowing what to do.
00:58:01.500
Um, I could see a lot of that being a little bit in the same umbrella, like you were talking
00:58:08.000
Well, I think it's, but, but back to the question, what do people do if they don't have that?
00:58:12.000
They don't have the ability to go to the, um, executive, uh, programming and they don't
00:58:16.720
Well, I think, I mean, one, I hope even just being able to talk about it like this can begin
00:58:21.500
to help somebody see what if there's a different way you can look at it, right?
00:58:28.060
Well, simply, even as I've been describing is when I grew up for 20 years, this is neurological,
00:58:41.540
Maybe that's not the, what an individual can start thinking about is what if that's not
00:58:52.020
Like why, I think just in general, what would it mean to be just more curious about yourself
00:59:03.040
What, you know, can you just start questioning yourself and go, what if it could be different?
00:59:08.400
Again, I mean, the way that it started was, you know, I did, I went to a class, had a really
00:59:14.620
And then I went to a beach and I go, I'm going to do something different here.
00:59:19.300
I'm going to start thinking about this and see what's on the other side.
00:59:24.560
You know, because it was just so emotional for me not to do that.
00:59:28.780
So I think really one of the biggest prerequisites for anything in life, if you want to change
00:59:41.040
They had a dude, I remember this dude, Samuel, when I was growing up, they said he couldn't
00:59:50.740
So it turns out one day he fucking got up, you know, a couple of buddies helped him in
00:59:54.760
the gym and by the afternoon he's shooting hoops, you know?
01:00:00.120
You know, like, but if he doesn't ever get curious or question that thing, if you just
01:00:04.400
sit in his chair forever thinking like, yeah, this is where I'm going to be.
01:00:07.840
And man, when you say that, what you were talking about is contrary action.
01:00:10.400
You're talking about like, man, I don't want germs.
01:00:13.320
When things touch my skin, it makes me feel uncomfortable.
01:00:15.180
I'm going to fucking stick my head into the fucking universe, you know, two handfuls
01:00:32.560
Like, you know, there's a lot of therapist methods where it's like, okay, let's look through
01:00:35.920
your past and think of what happened and try and figure it out.
01:00:39.380
And then there's a lot more active, proactive therapist methods that I've found from going to
01:00:44.500
therapy where they're like, I don't care what happened in your past.
01:00:47.120
If you want to have a better sexual relationship with your girlfriend, you need to get in bed
01:00:52.120
with your girlfriend and lay there and start there as opposed to sitting in a room and wondering,
01:00:57.740
well, I don't know why we have these problems, you know, like, but I've definitely started
01:01:02.620
to notice that there's two methods from going to therapists.
01:01:05.200
And so it's kind of like what you're describing.
01:01:06.800
It's like, you can sit there and know the facts and go through and the file folders and look
01:01:11.660
back through a lot of your history or you can, like you did, you had a frame of reference,
01:01:19.680
I want to say for me, what was cool is I, it was really both ways because by going through
01:01:25.420
the class and, and really, really what happened is, is that I was able to proactively lower
01:01:33.540
Um, so that itch within about a year and a half went down 90%.
01:01:40.220
So, and, and a lot of that feeling I found was through bunch of triggers throughout my
01:01:47.220
So it was this beautiful synergy between going deep in there.
01:01:52.900
And the other reason I felt lucky is because a lot of people are willing to go deep in there,
01:01:57.460
but they don't have a tool that really can help them find where to go, how to get rid of
01:02:01.720
it, it ends up that the tool was incredibly sharp.
01:02:06.780
And as I was going through some of these processes, which is just conversations with people, I would
01:02:13.320
And all of a sudden that feeling would go boom, boom.
01:02:17.560
I mean, I'm doing down because the feeling would start going down.
01:02:21.060
So it wasn't like I, for a way that a lot of people, a way that I think a lot of people
01:02:27.720
try to beat their Tourette's or help their Tourette's or whether it's alcoholism,
01:02:31.280
OCD, or anything in life where it's a type of challenge like that.
01:02:37.040
Sometimes you just sort of stick your head down and you just lean right into it and you
01:02:45.160
But what's also really nice is what if there's a way that you can make that really uncomfortable
01:02:52.420
And so you don't, it's not such a mountain to climb.
01:02:57.480
And that's why I feel so grateful because I didn't have to go climb a mountain.
01:03:13.880
Some, I also was really sick as a baby for an intestinal thing.
01:03:18.480
And I think that that played a lot into it, but I have a really strong will.
01:03:24.320
And I was willing to, on that beach, go, you're going in.
01:03:31.060
But I had that in combination with a group of people and tools that made that battle so
01:03:40.700
So it, it, it, it wasn't just like, I was like a Spartan going.
01:03:45.560
It was, I was a Spartan plus I had, I don't even know what, I mean.
01:03:55.000
You had conversations that a lot of time can unlock.
01:04:01.500
My, my, I mean, literally the way that I, I connect with it is they helped me in combination
01:04:10.880
I became more self-aware and that I go, oh, that, that feeling.
01:04:17.360
And, and one metaphor that I'd tell people as a way to describe this is one way that I
01:04:22.420
got helped is, so there's this feeling and I was a little kid and I go, oh, that's a
01:04:29.400
But what if there was a way when I was a little kid, which was not possible, that I could
01:04:38.020
And the way that I think about it is, do you, do you like massages?
01:04:42.340
Do you like the kind of massages where it's like super painful, like elbow in the back?
01:04:46.520
Oh, dude, I told him last week, we paid a couple of Vietnamese dudes to beat us up downtown.
01:04:52.380
So you like, you're one of those sickos, but you like it.
01:05:02.500
I like a little bit of fucking, you know, Vietnam too, if you know what I'm saying.
01:05:06.640
I don't know how that ends, but if you, you know.
01:05:12.760
The question is though, do you know people though that don't like it hard like that?
01:05:20.440
Here you have two people getting a massage and one person loves the pain.
01:05:29.000
So what if when I was a kid, I could have changed my perception of that feeling?
01:05:42.860
What if you'd have been somebody that loved it?
01:05:45.480
Now again, there's no way I could have done that.
01:05:50.260
But some people get scared and they get excited.
01:05:55.060
Some people like, you know, like evil Knievels, they jump off of stuff and they're fired up.
01:05:58.860
Dude, if I go flying off of something on a motorcycle.
01:06:10.020
But it's interesting how some feelings to some people are totally a different feeling.
01:06:14.780
So what I was able to do with the help of all these people is that I was literally able
01:06:20.100
to manufacture and literally almost rebuild my pathways.
01:06:28.740
And it was all through just, or a lot of it was through, I mean, I know it's a lot of work.
01:06:32.060
That stuff is a lot, you know, it's a lot of work.
01:06:34.380
If you want to go back and really work on stuff, you know, I know that it is a lot of work.
01:06:39.780
The cool thing was, is that my experience was, is that the way that the process was, it was
01:06:45.880
It was formatted and it was also very simple at the end.
01:06:49.200
Not as simple, you have to be very skilled to work with somebody, but meaning within 30
01:06:54.540
minutes, you know, I could talk about an experience and feel very different.
01:07:01.580
So what was really cool is that, so I was going around the country speaking, you know, for
01:07:05.260
years and then, you know, it was an interesting thing.
01:07:08.920
Like, I'm on the stage, you know, in 2011, I was college speaker in the United States by
01:07:20.300
So the reason I'm sharing that is because like, my whole life was Tourette's, you know,
01:07:23.220
and I'm going around talking about Tourette's and-
01:07:29.460
And I was, my whole thing was really about kindness.
01:07:35.360
And it was an interesting thing though, because now here I'm trying to help people on stage
01:07:39.980
and yet I'm getting helped in a whole other way.
01:07:48.820
So when I realized that there was a way that I could help people in this way, that's how
01:07:54.540
So you were helping people, you were talking about Tourette's and then you got involved with
01:08:00.360
And so, you know, I was able to do that over the last, you know, five years and it's been
01:08:05.660
And one cool thing was after we started, after, you know, what happened to me, and again,
01:08:12.820
ESP had nothing to do with Tourette's, but once it happened, you know, the founders, they
01:08:18.480
started going, you know, Keith Ranieri and Nancy Salzman, I think they started to go, what
01:08:22.280
if we could, what if we could replicate this with other people?
01:08:25.000
And so over the last four years, we've been able to replicate it with 10 other people
01:08:33.720
Well, we created a special thing just for people with Tourette's.
01:08:39.080
So it took me like a year and a half to get down 90% as I was describing.
01:09:06.180
People can get rid of using this, can get rid of Tourette's in four hours.
01:09:24.080
It's not saying anybody can get rid of their Tourette's syndrome.
01:09:26.660
I'm saying people that had severe Tourette's syndrome that had tried tons of different things
01:09:33.720
that wanted, that deeply wanted to get rid of it and end it for themselves.
01:09:40.120
And also, you know, we went through quite an interview process because we're looking,
01:09:43.320
you know, we were looking for very specific people that, you know, we thought just met a
01:09:47.140
bunch of different conditions that thought, you know, that they would be a good candidate
01:09:52.400
For all of those people, I would say seven, seven or eight, two or three out of the 10
01:10:07.440
And what was so neat is, is that once this started happening over the last four years,
01:10:12.380
we have this incredible filmmaker who, he goes, we got to start filming this.
01:10:18.940
And so what was so neat is, is that, you know, I would find someone with Tourette's or someone
01:10:24.700
And we would go through this whole process to see if they would be a good candidate.
01:10:28.080
And then once we thought if we had, you know, a good candidate, a film crew would go out
01:10:32.760
to their life, film their whole life with Tourette's, they would come work with us in
01:10:37.340
Albany, beat their Tourette's, and then we would go back into their life and film their
01:10:42.940
Do you guys, y'all aren't like in the, it's not, you guys can't be like in the Special
01:10:46.840
I feel like you can fucking run that shit if you could tighten.
01:10:50.960
No, but I will tell you, I'd much rather just train for the regular Olympics now.
01:10:54.260
I mean, just because it's, I mean, life is so different now.
01:11:03.620
You know, the thing that I miss is, I miss in some ways, let me think about this for one
01:11:11.380
I, I, I, I'm trying to think, I'm going to try and think what I would miss.
01:11:27.160
So, part of what my experience has been over the years is that I had to start how to learn
01:11:35.000
in a way that I never did before, how to relate with people.
01:11:42.400
And I think, you know, that's not unique to Tourette's.
01:11:45.820
You know, you're a, I don't, I don't know a lot of your history, but I, you know, you
01:11:50.480
You know, you've been a comedian in a long time.
01:11:52.380
So, now imagine if somebody said, hey, Theo, comedy's done.
01:11:59.160
And then think about what it would mean to how every conversation now you had with somebody.
01:12:03.900
Oh, that's, that's a really good correlation, man.
01:12:07.400
And so, that's also what was so neat is, is that I was going through the classes.
01:12:12.260
But I was doing a lot of work to also build a foundation just to learn how to be more
01:12:18.180
me, how to learn how to be with people again, because my whole life, I always had the Tourette's.
01:12:27.800
And that, so it was, it was interesting because, you know, the first whole journey was beating
01:12:35.380
And then there was a whole other journey after that.
01:12:39.140
It was almost like, yeah, it was like, it was, now you're Clark Kent and you're like,
01:12:46.460
When I was, you know, in high school or right out of high school, I got, I did a reality
01:12:52.500
And I remember after that, you got real popular and went to school and all these kids knew you.
01:12:57.500
And this was back when they only had, you know, 40 television channels.
01:13:00.640
And, but then after that, I didn't know, I still, it had been like real formative years.
01:13:07.840
I didn't really know who I was, you know, I was just kind of getting out into college
01:13:11.780
And then I became, you know, I was this guy that was on this, on television, you know,
01:13:15.320
and, and it was very uncomfortable to get away from that.
01:13:21.120
I remember I'd go to the gym and like, I would sweat and without even doing anything, my head
01:13:27.380
I'd feel these needles in my neck and head and like extreme uncomfort.
01:13:31.020
Cause I had, I was nobody without that thing kind of, and I didn't want to be that.
01:13:36.020
I didn't like that, you know, and I didn't, and I wanted to get away from that.
01:13:40.240
But at the same time, I was like, I had no clue who I was, you know, because for a couple
01:13:46.560
It just gave me, everybody always came and talked about that, or that was the thing or
01:13:49.980
something or, you know, and it was just hard to be, it was hard to learn who I was,
01:13:54.980
So I can't even fathom that man, like being in this shaky cage and all of a sudden, you
01:14:00.900
know, you're out of the cage and you're like, well, fuck, it's kind of wild out here.
01:14:06.180
And I think for naked almost in a, in some way.
01:14:12.460
And I think what's hard for a lot of people that were close to me was growing up, I was,
01:14:17.620
I was such this gregarious kid and I was outgoing.
01:14:21.020
I was, you know, I was student body president of my high school.
01:14:27.820
But how could you do all that with Tourette's, I wonder?
01:14:29.860
Well, the thing is I learned to compensate so much.
01:14:37.580
And again, I had this incredible support system that, I mean, what most people don't have,
01:14:45.420
but I, I learned to that even because I didn't have that, that strong sense of self.
01:14:52.560
I just did whatever I could to try to be normal, to try to get people to like me because I felt
01:14:57.900
like I was, because I was three, I felt like always three steps behind because I had the
01:15:02.920
So the moment I started, I met you, I'm already behind because I got the Tourette's.
01:15:06.260
I got to make up for all this stuff so that you go, okay, will you like me?
01:15:11.640
So that really has been the most profound experience of all this is finally starting
01:15:20.060
And just going, I mean, now I, when I talk to friends too, like the way that I think
01:15:26.340
about my life is like my whole life, I was in the deep end of the water.
01:15:31.080
And I'm just, you know, trying to figure it out, get by, not offend people.
01:15:37.740
And, and really only like the last two years did it feel like I made it to the shallow end
01:15:46.080
And that I'm, and that it's just like, I'm learning how to be normal.
01:15:51.760
But just like on the inside, it's just so much more quiet now and I can just learn how
01:16:08.300
It was like a, it was like being another ethnicity almost or being another culture.
01:16:12.780
So that's been a, it really has been these different journeys, but so I'm excited to keep,
01:16:20.300
I want to really, can it flare back up Tourette's?
01:16:23.480
So the thing is, I don't, I don't think of it in that way or experience it in that way
01:16:28.440
because the way that I also look at it now is, you know, I, I have like a very serious
01:16:41.360
Well, what I'm saying is, is like that feeling that we're going to call Tourette's.
01:16:45.320
Like it was, uh, like I had an extreme impulse disorder.
01:16:50.600
Like any feeling that I felt, I, I indulged it.
01:16:55.480
Now again, by no means that may, that's an involuntary feeling that I had.
01:17:03.520
So over the years, I've gone through a lot of, with a lot of work on myself and training
01:17:09.460
to really learn how to become less impulsive as well.
01:17:12.100
And so what are the, so what are some of those things that people can use even if they're
01:17:22.460
Because if you can't take the court, like, because the course is where you guys take it
01:17:25.220
No, unfortunately the courses don't even exist at the moment right now.
01:17:28.480
But if they had the courses, like, yeah, someone can't, couldn't afford to go to a school
01:17:31.660
or go to a place or get into a program like that.
01:17:34.520
Um, meditation, it sounds like is one good thing.
01:17:37.020
I think, you know, I think doing one things like that is meditation.
01:17:39.800
Of course, when I had Tourette's and someone said do meditation, I say, you know, go screw
01:17:47.460
It helped, but it was so hard for me because as I was just describing, I had no, it wasn't
01:17:54.640
And it's easy to say to someone, well, just try to be quiet.
01:18:01.160
So, you know, I think, I think the best advice for somebody is try to begin to challenge things
01:18:19.500
In the four hours with respect to somebody that beat it?
01:18:22.920
Because you just tell them what you just said for four hours?
01:18:28.040
So the thing is, is, I mean, the methodology, it's, it's a profound way to help somebody, um,
01:18:33.720
basically break limiting beliefs, um, and help them become more rational.
01:18:40.700
So, you know, it's, so it's like, it's trying, if you're trying to help somebody with, like,
01:18:44.120
let's say you're still, you know, an adult and you walk around still believing in Santa
01:18:47.840
Claus, um, we can work with somebody to start to ask them a bunch of questions where they
01:18:53.440
on their own begin to realize Santa Claus isn't true.
01:18:57.400
That's a really cool process to take somebody with that.
01:19:02.220
You have to be skilled to help lead somebody to help them deduce things on their own.
01:19:08.020
So what, and what made it so powerful and why it could happen in four hours is because
01:19:15.100
So somebody could, so for instance, if, if, I mean, it would be insane if somebody goes up
01:19:19.440
to somebody with Tourette's cause they've heard this interview and go, uh, don't tick.
01:19:24.260
That would be, not only would it be insane, it would be, um, I don't even think.
01:19:32.220
It would be, it would, I don't think that would be a good thing.
01:19:36.080
Part of the reason that I was able to, why it's so permanent is because I was able to,
01:19:42.260
as you said, deduce on my own those realizations.
01:19:46.320
And when you have that type of realization, it's, it's like a perceptual shift.
01:19:51.600
So does it mean that I have no feelings in my body anymore?
01:20:00.100
And I still do things to help change my relationship with it.
01:20:03.780
But to say that I have Tourette's syndrome at this point, I think would be insulting to somebody that really is struggling.
01:20:13.500
So within those four hours, you know, it's, it's, it's trying to help somebody.
01:20:17.160
It's not about reframing or, you know, feel the feeling, but don't do it.
01:20:21.040
It's really helping them have really neat insight into how they relate with that feeling and also figure out what's going on in their life that might be causing that feeling.
01:20:31.620
And that's how we were able to, how I, not I, how Nancy was able, you know, to help people so quickly.
01:20:37.780
And the cool thing is, is that this past year, a documentary came out and you can literally see on the screen, you can see this happen.
01:20:45.520
You can see within four hours, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's profound to watch.
01:20:52.680
And I really believe that, you know, one day that this, you know, sort of this methodology and also this movie can really open the eyes for a lot of people because I believe that this can open the doors for Tourette's, for ADD, ADHD, social anxiety, anxiety, OCD.
01:21:12.220
Yeah, no, I think some of the stuff you're saying, it's like, even if someone had Tourette's, right?
01:21:17.740
It, who knows what other stuff builds around that over time and magnifies it so much more.
01:21:24.220
Whereas even if you can go back through and scrape away some of those things by helping them deduce in their own time, in their own react.
01:21:33.040
So it actually, they figure it out, which is such an articulate thing that some therapists and stuff will be able to do because they ask you questions and they help you figure out in a way where you figure it out.
01:21:42.600
They don't, you're not telling somebody something.
01:21:44.360
Um, then they can, you can knock away so much of the stuff that, that, that makes everything so much tougher.
01:21:51.880
You know, whether it be Tourette's or, I mean, it's some of the stuff they're using in a lot of other programs in some ways, but I think that's fascinating, man.
01:21:58.680
Um, you know, and it's just the power of like people helping people.
01:22:05.540
They had a dude by us named Douglas Huval, right?
01:22:10.440
He might've been pretty ignorant, honestly, but he was a nice kid.
01:22:13.080
But I remember he had a stutter in school and I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
01:22:16.320
And I'd impersonate him and the teacher would be like, what are you doing?
01:22:21.100
I want to be like this, you know, this guy's so unique.
01:22:23.180
Um, but yeah, I guess, uh, I don't know, man, it's definitely fascinating and it's definitely
01:22:29.740
seems like it's been quite a journey, you know, I can feel that you're passionate about
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I mean, I've learned, you know, just so much about just the human, human behavior, human,
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the way that we interact with each other, the way that we treat people.
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And that's really why, you know, when I started speaking 10 years ago, it was all about kindness
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because basically people, people were making judgments and assumptions about me without
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You see somebody, you, you think it's okay to think negative things about people.
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The question is, is do you really know what's going on?
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And so I think it was a neat thing because here it was, I was doing all these crazy things
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and people were acting on those judgments or acting on those assumptions.
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And then they, they took whatever they saw me doing as if it was truth.
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Um, and so really when I started speaking, the message was about the first phrase that
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But really it's like, look, if you don't like, can you recognize that whatever you're
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thinking about that person, you don't really know.
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And if you don't really know, no matter how much hate you have towards that person, can
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But can we, can we at least treat people with kindness, even if we have really negative
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You don't know if the guy is being rude to you, you know, or has having a tough morning
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You don't know if he, you know, his house just burned down or, you know, he just lost
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somebody or if he even just killed us, you know, you don't know if he just killed somebody
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like, you don't know what he's going through, you know, like you don't know what somebody's
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But yeah, no, look, I think it's fascinating to hear about.
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It's fascinating to hear like, you know, like your respect for the Tourette's condition,
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you know, like the level that you feel like, you know, you had it, how you envisioned it,
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how you, you know, recognize it inside of yourself and, you know, ways that you use to deteriorate
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it, you know, or quell it to a place that's more manageable for you and, and, and that
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you're able to be aware of that at the same time so that you can, you know, communicate
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I mean, yeah, I mean, it's definitely, you know, cause I was like, does it, I was like,
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does Mark, it doesn't seem like he has Tourette's, you know, but then when you get in and you
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hear about it, it's like, oh, well, this is very relatable.
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I feel like, you know, um, but, uh, there's a couple of videos we want to play real quick
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of a couple of, Nick, you want to lead us into that?
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Yeah, and we actually had one caller, uh, call in with a question, too, about living
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with it, but yeah, we can pop the headphones on, and then after that, we'll look at some
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examples of Tourette's in pop culture and we'll get your grade on how it was depicted.
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So there's a lot of, we get some real lurkers, man.
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I have a question for your, um, guest who has, who had Tourette's Syndrome.
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Um, how, how often did you get laid while you had Tourette's Syndrome?
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And how hard was it to get women or men, if you're into that?
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And then how often have you gotten laid since you've stopped your Tourette's Syndrome?
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That, God bless you, came in a little surprising, but I still respect it.
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Well, partly because how little self-confidence I had.
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When you're looking at someone from the outside, you think you know what's going on.
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But on the inside, I, you know, I, I did not feel that confident about myself.
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It looked like I was super confident because of the level of compensation that I was doing
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Were you wearing necklaces and stuff like that?
01:26:33.060
No, it wasn't like I was trying to look like I was super rich, but I was trying to look like
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Were you wearing like a, um, tuxedo and stuff like that?
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I still had some semblance of like, let's try to be in rapport with people.
01:26:50.860
You can't be showing up like it's a damn, you know, like you're a Joe, you know, Joe
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I mean, it was, I mean, just imagine hooking up with a girl and, you know.
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It is infinitely easier, but it's also just because I have more confidence with myself.
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So after I, you know, I beat the Tourette's syndrome, I mean, just to, I mean, sex is one
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Just imagine sitting with a girl and not saying the riskiest thing.
01:27:25.180
But I could definitely say this, dude, Beat Tourette's Let's Fuck would be the best book
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ever, even though that is not what we're talking about.
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But I do want to let people know that, that, that you have a book, you have two books now?
01:27:39.280
No, I have a book that came out about six years ago and it was called What Makes You Tick.
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And, but another book would be, I think, really good at this point, you know, because I,
01:27:49.300
that book, I had just started ESP and, and, and beating like the 90% when that book came
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out and I also just wasn't as open about my participation in ESP at the moment just because,
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you know, there was a bot, there was bad stuff about ESP back then.
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No, it's unfortunately, it's, I mean, it's definitely in the same realm, you know, it's
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in terms of, it's a group of people that are trying to help people.
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You know, but now it's in the news with a bunch of controversy around it and things like
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Is it, did we have a, oh, we have Michael Rosenbaum on here.
01:28:27.040
So it's, you know, it's, it's been a profound journey to, a friend said to me recently,
01:28:33.180
so here I used to have Tourette's and I used to experience so much prejudice because I was
01:28:40.100
And now that I've beaten Tourette's and now I'm just a white guy walking around, it's in
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Isn't that the reason I said about, and now I'm a white male is because white males in
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our culture don't experience a lot of prejudice relative to a lot of, you know, a white male
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compared to someone with Tourette's experiences less.
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So it's interesting now of, of still seeing is that even without the Tourette's, I'm still
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learning so many lessons about prejudice and the nature of how we treat people and how
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we label people, whether it's a group or, or a syndrome or whatever it might be.
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Like, you know, in comedy and, and just talking about stuff, it's like, it's different, you
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I mean, hell, I don't even think you could legally have, you couldn't even have Tourette's today
01:29:35.900
Like they, I feel like they'd hang you at the, at the cross if you dropped a couple
01:29:40.820
Like when I was growing up, you could have some Tourette's, you know, you'd have a dude,
01:29:43.960
you know, everybody, you know, people could have something, you know, they carried a dude
01:29:48.560
over there in the, in the area and he sets off a couple of M bombs or use them, but inappropriate
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Can you even have Tourette's nowadays and be accepted?
01:29:57.440
Well, the thing is, I mean, people were, I was really open and I, you know, my family really
01:30:05.280
I would make announcements on planes and my classes.
01:30:07.700
I think in general, most people are, I think at the core do want to be understanding.
01:30:13.560
I think what's difficult is that we live in a time where, where people don't, there's
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not a lot of critical thinking and, and people are so quick to.
01:30:24.340
Just be mean or jump on the bandwagon of being mean with other people and whatever it
01:30:32.080
It's weird that they would say someone with Tourette's has a problem communicating and
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now it's like, so I'd rather have Tourette's than be, you know, one of these social justice
01:30:39.460
warriors who's just beating everybody who doesn't want to have a conversation sometimes, you know?
01:30:43.780
Well, I think, I mean, one of the big things that I, in trying to talk about kindness and
01:30:47.400
stuff is it's interesting how we as a society, we fight bullying.
01:30:56.020
And the question is, do we want to, do we want to continue to perpetuate that or do we
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recognize maybe there's other ways that we can treat people?
01:31:07.040
It's like even, yeah, it fascinates me sometimes how much, uh, people will be hateful and just
01:31:15.140
because it matches their point of view that it's okay to be hateful.
01:31:18.460
You know, it's like, um, oh, you can't be hateful, but as long as, but I can, you know,
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it's like, how do you not recognize, I mean, being hateful is being hateful, you know?
01:31:28.540
Well, I want to say, it's not that I'm above that.
01:31:31.620
I used to so much all the time fight hate with hate.
01:31:35.420
You know, even when, you know, I was growing up with my older brother who was gay, man,
01:31:38.400
I was one of those people pioneering, you know, if you didn't like gay marriage, oh, I hated
01:31:44.320
And then luckily, you know, through a lot of my education and going through some of
01:31:48.580
the classes too, I've started to really want to be different.
01:31:54.760
There are things that I, I really dislike or people that I don't dislike.
01:31:58.020
And the question is, okay, can I still be different even if I feel that way?
01:32:03.800
It's like, yeah, I know some great people who don't like, who probably would be, who,
01:32:10.220
And I'm not going to hate those people for that.
01:32:14.160
They're good people just because their belief system or whoever taught them or something
01:32:19.840
Like it doesn't mean that they would be rude to gay people or that they would treat them
01:32:24.640
They may have some old, you know, a religious belief and that's their thing.
01:32:31.760
It doesn't mean I have to agree with it, but also doesn't mean I have to shun somebody because,
01:32:35.680
you know, um, their beliefs are different than mine.
01:32:39.440
You know, it's, it's baffling to me that we do that or, and why would we do it?
01:32:44.500
You know, uh, because it's not understanding it's, it's not accepting really.
01:32:48.600
Well, the reason I think we do it is because I think we're not aware of how we all do do
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And it's also, you know, it was like part of my journey with the Tourette syndrome.
01:32:58.760
It was, I couldn't even see the, the, even just about the fear of losing Tourette's.
01:33:08.160
And so it was with help that I could start to become more aware of that.
01:33:11.140
And then when you start realizing like, you know what?
01:33:14.220
I also don't like a lot of people or, you know what?
01:33:19.420
That's when you can start to have a little bit more compassion when you see someone else
01:33:25.300
But now we live in a time where, you know, someone's caught on video saying some prejudice
01:33:36.860
Instead of offering it out, well, how can we, what can we learn from this?
01:33:39.760
How can we, this person, you know, how can we accept them into a fold and make them feel
01:33:43.480
comfortable and make them feel like, oh, we all make mistakes, you know?
01:33:46.700
And that doesn't mean you can't hold them accountable still.
01:33:50.620
But the question is, can you hold someone accountable and still be kind, you know, and
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Do you think it's the media that's more like that or humanity is more like that?
01:34:02.900
I think the media is just an extension of humanity.
01:34:05.040
I think it's, you know, it's like, you know, when someone talks about a company, like someone's
01:34:10.320
And it's like, look, it's, yes, it's a company, but just people.
01:34:17.640
And so, um, I think this is hard for all of us, but, uh, I think it's, it's just really
01:34:24.140
what I've come to learn so much throughout all this journey of, you know, with the Tourette's,
01:34:27.640
without Tourette's, my experience now in the company, experiencing a lot of prejudice of,
01:34:34.660
I do want to stand up for things, but, um, I think there's different ways we can do it.
01:34:39.080
And I think, you know, when you look at history and you look at someone like Martin Luther
01:34:44.600
I mean, here, look what he stood up for, but he did it nonviolently with compassion.
01:34:49.560
That narrative is basically non-existent right now.
01:34:52.940
And instead it's sort of, you know, we live in a time where if you think somebody did
01:35:00.500
And people will quote Martin Luther King Jr. and then go out and beat somebody's ass
01:35:07.260
But yeah, look, man, I love some of the ways that you, uh, I love hearing some of this
01:35:11.720
Like, you know, I'll find every day, like I'm me, I'll be mean about stuff.
01:35:15.180
And then I'll realize that I had a part in something.
01:35:17.020
I'll have to go back and, you know, apologize or, you know, I mean, it's.
01:35:28.860
It's, but it's more of, I want to keep becoming a person that's not like that.
01:35:33.360
I want to become a, I want to become a person who's, you know what?
01:35:36.840
I can feel really negative thoughts about somebody and still be kind.
01:35:44.900
My brother always says that to his kids sometimes.
01:35:49.460
I mean, it's just one little thing about what you're saying, but yeah, I agree, man.
01:35:52.640
It's like, I'll get upset at groups of people sometimes.
01:35:55.020
And, and then I'll be like, well, what's really going on here?
01:35:57.840
You know, and, uh, but I think we're getting to a place like that inside where people are
01:36:03.500
Let's look at a couple more videos real quick so we can shut it down over here.
01:36:14.640
It'll be okay once I get up there concentrating.
01:36:19.520
We got a courtroom here and the kids got the, the rats, I guess.
01:36:24.620
I feel like I just swallowed a butterfly collection.
01:36:40.880
Dr. Quincy, I don't know if I can really go through with this.
01:36:53.820
It was a TV show about, uh, some doctor, psychologist that helped people.
01:37:02.820
You put him on a disease at night and that guy will really show up in the morning with
01:37:07.280
So for the people who are just listening, that guy, he just had like facial tics and stuff.
01:37:13.380
I mean, I think you have a lot of people who do those kinds of tics that don't have Tourette
01:37:17.240
I'm sure you've met people that, you know, blink their eyes and stuff.
01:37:20.900
And also if someone's listening and you've been blinking your eye, you know, you don't
01:37:31.480
I'm not sure what was, he was also doing something with his hands.
01:37:39.360
What did he do on a one to 10 of that Tourette?
01:37:48.540
That was lauded like at the time when I was doing digging of like just a good depiction
01:37:55.580
This is my first standard, so I could give it an eight too.
01:38:05.060
This is Amy Poehler in Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigolo.
01:38:28.200
I have Tourette's syndrome, and it causes me to have these uncontrollable outbursts.
01:38:41.060
You know, there are some places I can't go, nipple-biter!
01:38:54.680
I can't believe Rob Schneider, and Rob Schneider seems like the guy who would try to bang out
01:38:58.560
chicks with Tourette's or different syndromes and stuff.
01:39:01.860
I would give that one a lower one, because that's like, I would give that more like
01:39:06.240
One thing is, you know, I was aware that I was saying the bad word.
01:39:14.780
So if I was going to say the N-word, sometimes I would add the word dad.
01:39:17.840
It's like a, and then it would, yeah, you know, to try to muffle it, where that one seemed.
01:39:25.260
Or I would say like chinkopotamus or something like that.
01:39:28.160
Well, a lot of times I would, I would go, hi, hi, even if it wasn't a bad word, like
01:39:37.680
Like you're starting, like you're introducing people to something.
01:39:42.740
Now that's pretty cool, because then you're in like a wild, it's almost like you're in a game