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00:02:33.080 Today's guest is the author of The Wolf of Wall Street.

00:02:38.260 I guess that's an autobiography.

00:02:40.880 He is notorious.

00:02:43.440 I think is a good word to describe him.

00:02:45.840 He also is the host of The Wolf's Den podcast.

00:02:49.040 It is The Wolf of Wall Street, Mr. Jordan Belfort.

00:02:53.680 What's the largest or most like the largest woman you think you ever made love to?

00:03:14.660 It's not even how large it looks.

00:03:16.260 Oh, when I was high, I made love to a 240 pound woman with fucking beard probably.

00:03:19.860 When I'm on coke, I'll fuck anything or eat anything and the uglier the better.

00:03:23.360 But when I'm normally sane, okay, it's not even how fat they are.

00:03:28.840 It's the size of their ankles.

00:03:30.300 Oh, really?

00:03:31.560 If they have thick ankles, I couldn't get – there's no Viagra in the world that could do the trick.

00:03:35.680 Now, is it intimidation you think?

00:03:38.000 Because is it like my penis – is it like the girth of kind of my penis won't be able to compete with that?

00:03:42.780 No.

00:03:43.740 No, it's not that.

00:03:46.300 Or should I say that it might be that like four levels down.

00:03:49.000 Right.

00:03:49.400 But there's just something about the look of it that I don't know.

00:03:53.280 It just fucking scares me.

00:03:54.700 It's like I feel like I'm – I don't know.

00:03:56.520 I'm trying to sleep with the abominable snowman.

00:03:58.700 I don't know what it is.

00:03:59.640 Does it feel like an impossible feat maybe?

00:04:01.500 I don't know.

00:04:02.200 It just feels like they're just like – it's like I'm like, dude.

00:04:05.100 Sorry, dude.

00:04:06.020 I'm fucking with a guy or something.

00:04:09.120 And I'm not even saying I'm right about it.

00:04:10.940 No, I'm not saying you're right.

00:04:11.820 There's a guy down the road who loves that.

00:04:13.560 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 It's just a personal preference, you know?

00:04:16.140 Oh, some guys get more into like, yeah.

00:04:18.380 Bigger girls, you know, tougher girls.

00:04:19.960 I like thin.

00:04:20.520 I like the thin model type.

00:04:21.740 Oh, yeah, whatever.

00:04:23.120 It's all about, you know, I guess back in the 1800s, you used to like the heavier girls were more

00:04:27.600 in focus.

00:04:28.000 That means they were fed better.

00:04:28.820 They were better bred.

00:04:29.580 They were better, you know, so forth.

00:04:30.760 The Rubenesque.

00:04:31.600 Yeah, I remember when I was young, I'd go to the library and instead of – this is before

00:04:36.120 I got any good pornography, you know?

00:04:37.780 Are we on the podcast?

00:04:38.580 Yeah, because this is a podcast.

00:04:39.540 Yeah.

00:04:40.100 Were we live?

00:04:40.960 Yeah, we're live.

00:04:41.440 Oh, dude, this is great.

00:04:43.320 This is fucking fabulous.

00:04:44.440 This is the real us, right?

00:04:45.500 Oh, yeah.

00:04:45.960 Like I said, I'm not to fucking hide.

00:04:47.640 I'll say anything.

00:04:48.820 I'm glad that this is – shit, we're missing – I thought we were missing all this stuff.

00:04:51.680 Because I think it's – you know, listen, I think the problem nowadays is that

00:04:55.140 people are scared to be honest.

00:04:56.740 Right.

00:04:56.920 And that fucking drives me crazy.

00:04:58.080 Yeah.

00:04:58.300 Yeah, and I'm being honest.

00:04:59.920 When I said that about girls with – like, I'm not saying I'm right.

00:05:03.240 I'm not saying they're less beautiful.

00:05:04.440 I'm just saying to me –

00:05:05.560 Yes.

00:05:05.980 Everyone has their type.

00:05:07.240 That's my – whatever reason might have dropped on my head as a kid or who knows what

00:05:11.080 happened.

00:05:11.220 Maybe I couldn't get it up once with a girl like that and it deep wounded me forever

00:05:14.600 or maybe I just don't like girls with fat, big ankles, you know?

00:05:17.260 Yeah.

00:05:17.800 But that's the defining feature for me.

00:05:19.960 Oh, it's interesting.

00:05:20.660 Yeah.

00:05:21.100 You know what's funny?

00:05:21.940 I don't know if I ever thought about like do I have a – like what is like a defining feature?

00:05:26.220 Do you have a – do you have a do not cross line for you with a girl or a guy?

00:05:30.720 I don't judge, man.

00:05:31.800 Dude.

00:05:31.920 Yeah, no.

00:05:32.380 I've never been in any kind of sex with a man or anything like that, dude.

00:05:36.280 One time me and this guy was doing a little bit of coke, but thankfully I had to go to

00:05:39.560 the airport, you know, because I thought things might have got a little wild.

00:05:42.120 Listen, I think if you're gay, I think you have a maid.

00:05:45.680 I think it's great.

00:05:47.280 I'm really social – I'm liberal like that, but I just think it's great because I love

00:05:49.480 guys.

00:05:51.100 I get a little much better with guys.

00:05:52.500 I just don't want to fuck them.

00:05:53.460 Yeah.

00:05:53.980 It's like a gift if I did.

00:05:55.260 It would be – just play around in tennis and then let's go fucking do it.

00:05:57.600 It would be amazing.

00:05:57.840 Oh, it would be crazy.

00:05:58.620 But I just don't like that.

00:06:00.340 But I think it's awesome.

00:06:01.840 Oh, yeah.

00:06:02.300 I think if guys – I mean, I've thought about that.

00:06:04.420 Like what if, yeah, you and your buddy are like just, you know, playing a game of hoops

00:06:08.220 and then, you know –

00:06:09.800 Black Mirror.

00:06:10.220 Do you all watch Black Mirror on Netflix?

00:06:12.060 I haven't seen it.

00:06:12.600 I haven't seen the new season.

00:06:13.820 Okay.

00:06:14.140 It just came out, right?

00:06:15.600 And there's an episode about these two guys, two black dudes, right?

00:06:18.560 They're best friends.

00:06:19.620 And one guy gives his friend like a present for his birthday and it's just like, you

00:06:23.580 know, next, next, next generation artificial reality where you put a little thing on your

00:06:27.600 head and you're actually in the game and it's like one of these old karate games they

00:06:33.360 used to play when they were like, you know, in their 20s, right?

00:06:36.880 And then, you know, the kicking and punching, right?

00:06:38.880 Except now you're actually in the game and his best friend plays – and it's the guy

00:06:43.860 from who plays Red Wing from Iron Man, from the Avengers.

00:06:47.720 It's him.

00:06:48.060 He's one of the actors who plays –

00:06:49.540 Robert Downey?

00:06:50.260 No, no.

00:06:50.840 Morgan Freeman?

00:06:51.740 No, who plays Red Wing, the guy with the wings who flies around.

00:06:54.900 Oh.

00:06:55.860 Black, a great actor.

00:06:56.940 Amazing actor.

00:06:57.980 Not Don Cheadle who plays –

00:07:00.740 Denzel Washington?

00:07:02.000 No, no, no, no.

00:07:02.780 It's his name –

00:07:03.460 Fuck.

00:07:03.920 Not Swaggy P.

00:07:05.360 He's not a basketball player, is he?

00:07:06.640 No, no, no, no.

00:07:07.320 It's the guy who plays Red Wing in the Avengers.

00:07:10.200 Not the –

00:07:11.300 Oh, I know who it is.

00:07:12.680 Anthony Mackie?

00:07:13.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:14.620 He was in the movie about the plane crash with the football team.

00:07:18.100 So, yeah.

00:07:18.500 So, dude, he's in this with another guy, another great actor in this Blackberry episode.

00:07:23.640 And what happens is his friend plays – in the game, he's a girl, like a hot kung fu expert.

00:07:31.400 And he's young and they're young, like in their 20s.

00:07:34.740 And he thinks that his friend gives them the gift.

00:07:36.540 They think they're going to start fighting.

00:07:37.900 And they start fucking.

00:07:38.600 They start – his friend just goes and kicks, starts fucking.

00:07:40.560 Wow.

00:07:40.720 And they fall in love inside the video game.

00:07:42.480 And with their men on the outside that aren't in love.

00:07:44.620 And on the inside, they're men and women that aren't in love.

00:07:46.320 Yes, and then the guy starts to fuck up as he's happily married with a kid.

00:07:49.480 And starts fucking up his sex life because he falls in love in the game with this artificial girl.

00:07:54.160 So, he cuts it off.

00:07:55.400 And his friend is devastated, this whole fucking thing.

00:07:57.640 And then, you know, whenever they separate, because he can't deal with it, right?

00:08:00.220 Because his wife thinks he's having an affair.

00:08:01.700 Yeah.

00:08:02.300 And then finally, he separates out from the whole thing.

00:08:05.300 And finally, six months later, they get back together.

00:08:07.460 And he has a big fight with the guy.

00:08:08.760 And his wife's like, what?

00:08:09.520 What's going on?

00:08:10.040 What's going on?

00:08:10.440 And he finally comes clean with his wife.

00:08:12.740 And then the Blackberry thing ends with his wife going out on a date with some other guy in a bar.

00:08:17.940 And him, but he's agreed, and he's having sex with him.

00:08:20.420 Like, they have one week a month.

00:08:21.840 They get to fucking have their dalliance, you know?

00:08:23.700 Be out and about.

00:08:24.540 There you go.

00:08:25.760 Did you want, do you think the UFC would be cool if after somebody beat somebody, they had to insert themselves in them?

00:08:33.380 I don't think so.

00:08:34.580 I think it would be pretty tough if it was a forcible insertion.

00:08:37.160 Because I think they call that rape.

00:08:38.660 But I think it was.

00:08:39.180 But it would be agreed upon before they enter the ring.

00:08:41.520 Yeah, well, I think it would be a different type of sport, you know?

00:08:44.040 You think you'd have different types of fighters?

00:08:45.740 You are a sick fuck, by the way.

00:08:47.080 Well, look.

00:08:47.340 Your mind goes, I'm worried about you, because your mind goes, I wish I would have thought of that myself.

00:08:51.640 I'm fucking envious in some level.

00:08:52.820 Right, that's what I'm saying.

00:08:53.640 You don't bring, you bring.

00:08:54.800 You're taking shit up another level here, you know?

00:08:56.540 Bro, you bring your sick fuck to a sick fuck fight.

00:08:58.920 You know what I'm saying, dude?

00:09:00.220 You just put a gun to a fucking sword fight.

00:09:02.180 I love that, bro.

00:09:03.620 Motherfucker.

00:09:04.080 Oh, my God.

00:09:04.300 Bro, if I'm talking to you, I'm bringing a red penis to a butthole fight.

00:09:08.120 You feel me?

00:09:08.800 Okay, let's kick it up a notch, yeah.

00:09:09.540 But do you think that.

00:09:10.160 I'm saying my wife, honey, whatever is now is off limits.

00:09:13.080 It's like, I didn't really mean it is.

00:09:14.380 There's nothing that's a fucking different guy acting.

00:09:16.520 Keep going.

00:09:17.680 I don't mean that's the truth.

00:09:19.660 Do you think that it would be a different type of sport?

00:09:22.140 What's the next level of sport that you think you see?

00:09:24.680 Do you start to...

00:09:25.100 Of Hunger Games, I think, obviously.

00:09:26.620 Do you?

00:09:27.620 Well, I think Hunger Games...

00:09:28.380 Like in society.

00:09:29.840 Oh, really in society.

00:09:31.400 Yeah.

00:09:31.580 Good question.

00:09:32.700 The next level up from UFC?

00:09:35.120 You know, here's the thing.

00:09:36.320 On some level, I loved the first UFC when there was no rules, no weight classes, nothing

00:09:43.660 barred except basically...

00:09:45.180 I think you could do almost anything but gouge someone's eyes out.

00:09:47.540 Yeah, or tickle.

00:09:48.700 Or tickle, right?

00:09:49.580 One or the other, right?

00:09:50.540 I don't know which one is worse if you're ticklish.

00:09:52.580 But that would be...

00:09:53.800 To me, that was pretty fucking cool.

00:09:55.200 But people...

00:09:55.620 They were saying it was like combat.

00:09:57.780 It was gladiates that they made it illegal.

00:09:59.300 So it was very smart on the part of the UFC to sort of sanitize the sport by putting

00:10:04.000 weight classes on and certain rules and guidelines to make it not a fucking free-for-all.

00:10:07.780 But I kind of liked the free-for-all.

00:10:09.040 The problem was that it turned out that Brazilian jiu-jitsu just trumped everything.

00:10:13.700 So if you went into the ring knowing Brazilian jiu-jitsu, you just fucking choke a guy out.

00:10:17.160 You're going to win.

00:10:17.660 Yeah.

00:10:18.280 So that was the problem.

00:10:19.320 So they eventually had to have some differentiators.

00:10:21.440 Well, not that, but also people skilled up.

00:10:23.520 In other words, what happened was people came in like, I'm a great boxer.

00:10:26.640 I'm a great taekwondo guy.

00:10:27.860 It didn't matter.

00:10:28.360 If you knew jiu-jitsu, you just fucking...

00:10:29.920 You submission hold someone, right?

00:10:31.700 But once...

00:10:32.360 But then you could not become maybe quite as good as the next guy, but good enough to

00:10:36.920 defend against it.

00:10:37.840 And if you were great at boxing, these people get knocked out with boxing.

00:10:40.520 So that became...

00:10:41.460 Something that was more than the weight classes that changed, that made it more interesting

00:10:44.200 was sort of the idea that you could defend against jiu-jitsu if you had a basic level

00:10:47.580 of proficiency.

00:10:48.420 Right.

00:10:48.560 Right.

00:10:49.260 Did you ever...

00:10:50.120 Did you ever take any, like, boxing or martial arts?

00:10:54.460 Were you ever...

00:10:54.820 I did, but not...

00:10:55.720 I did.

00:10:56.120 Yeah, I did as a kid, but it wasn't called that.

00:10:57.880 I wrestled in college.

00:10:59.020 Okay.

00:10:59.260 Um, I took some karate, never got past, like, a yellow belt or something.

00:11:03.560 Oh, yeah.

00:11:04.040 But I wrestled pretty seriously, so...

00:11:05.720 Okay.

00:11:06.400 Did you...

00:11:06.920 Whenever you went to prison, did you feel like...

00:11:09.320 Did you...

00:11:10.040 When you were going in there, do you have a thought in your head, like, shit, I wish I

00:11:13.720 knew a little more self-defense?

00:11:16.720 Just because...

00:11:16.900 Nah, that wasn't...

00:11:17.660 No, because I...

00:11:18.320 What happened was with jail, prison...

00:11:21.260 Sorry, jail.

00:11:22.320 No, it's both.

00:11:23.060 No, no, no.

00:11:23.840 The jail is referred to, like, as a short-term...

00:11:26.740 Local.

00:11:27.260 Local.

00:11:27.820 And prisons, like, when you go off where I went, it was actually to prison, right?

00:11:31.320 Yeah.

00:11:31.580 So, where you actually go with federal and there's a longer...

00:11:33.500 Right?

00:11:33.880 So, I was...

00:11:35.120 Like, sleepaway camp.

00:11:36.160 Yeah.

00:11:36.520 Well, it depends.

00:11:37.480 I was lucky, right?

00:11:38.380 And I went to a place that was...

00:11:40.140 Had no violence or anything.

00:11:41.240 So, it depends on how many...

00:11:43.000 It's a point system, right?

00:11:44.420 I was a first-time offender with zero...

00:11:46.480 Almost, like, as low points as you can get.

00:11:48.940 So, there was no chance I was going somewhere where there would be physical

00:11:51.960 violence.

00:11:52.340 And there was never physical violence.

00:11:53.940 So...

00:11:54.220 And I knew that going in.

00:11:55.840 Wow.

00:11:56.280 Yeah.

00:11:56.760 So, did you think, like, what was your biggest...

00:11:59.440 Looking back on jail, what's something that you probably missed the most, do you think?

00:12:03.000 Being in jail?

00:12:04.100 Yeah.

00:12:09.640 That's one thing that...

00:12:10.640 Listen, Tommy Chong was my bunkmate.

00:12:12.560 Yeah.

00:12:13.180 And he's actually coming to my podcast tomorrow, Tommy Chong.

00:12:14.840 Oh, really?

00:12:15.220 That's awesome.

00:12:15.640 I used to see him at the gym sometimes.

00:12:16.880 We used to have the same trainer for a little bit.

00:12:17.840 Amazing guy.

00:12:18.520 He's a great guy.

00:12:19.000 I love him.

00:12:19.580 But, yeah.

00:12:20.000 But, I think maybe if there's only one thing...

00:12:21.960 ...about jail that...

00:12:24.680 It was not that it was great.

00:12:25.740 It was the fact that I had nowhere to go but up.

00:12:30.800 In other words, I was at a point...

00:12:32.260 It was an absolute bottom low.

00:12:33.880 And there's some power in a low if you know you're the sort of person that is going to come back from that.

00:12:41.880 So, far worse is the time before jail when you're waiting to go and you can't restart your life.

00:12:48.180 So, it was like being there was almost this cleansing period of your spirit, your soul, not so much your body.

00:12:54.360 But, I guess, I worked out like a maniac and got in amazing shape.

00:12:57.400 Like, prison jacked or prison big.

00:12:59.020 Oh, my God.

00:12:59.580 I was...

00:12:59.780 Well, that was you ripped.

00:13:00.660 Just fucking ripped, you know?

00:13:01.700 Yeah.

00:13:02.120 And I taught myself to write when I was in prison.

00:13:05.040 So, I made the most out of my time.

00:13:06.700 But, I think I missed that feeling of like, you know, I'm...

00:13:10.400 I was so anxious to come out.

00:13:12.660 Like, looking forward to it that much.

00:13:14.120 To get started.

00:13:14.600 Yeah.

00:13:15.060 You were ready to get started.

00:13:15.860 It's kind of like a horse in the gate.

00:13:17.400 Yeah.

00:13:17.600 Do you feel like while you're in there that like, does it feel like you can't...

00:13:24.440 Do you feel like you have apologies to make?

00:13:26.440 Do you feel like you...

00:13:27.840 Or do you kind of do all that stuff before you go away to prison?

00:13:31.300 Apologies to whom?

00:13:31.940 The people that you love or people you don't know?

00:13:33.700 Anybody.

00:13:34.340 Like, yeah.

00:13:34.720 Like, if there's any like, you know...

00:13:37.600 Oh, I had a long time to prepare.

00:13:38.920 It wasn't like that.

00:13:39.560 Yeah, I had years to prepare.

00:13:41.540 Although, you're never going to be fully prepared.

00:13:42.940 But, of course, when I was there, I mean, you know, I think there's two things can happen

00:13:47.840 in prison and so on.

00:13:49.000 You can go into prison and like, make it a gladiator school where you come out even a

00:13:52.740 bigger criminal because you...

00:13:54.420 Hey, okay.

00:13:54.880 Well, this is my hand.

00:13:55.500 I'm an associate with this.

00:13:56.300 Or you can use it, as I did, as a period to learn and grow and get stronger.

00:14:02.240 Emotionally stronger, physically stronger through just my...

00:14:04.400 All the exercising.

00:14:05.220 But, really, I came out a far stronger person in terms of emotionally and also skill

00:14:12.900 sets.

00:14:13.340 I taught myself an incredibly valuable skill, which was to write.

00:14:16.740 And that served for everything that came after it.

00:14:19.700 And so, do you feel like...

00:14:21.880 Because, I mean, obviously, would you consider yourself like one of the most notorious salesmen?

00:14:28.100 Well, not really.

00:14:28.820 No, I wouldn't.

00:14:29.440 No, I wouldn't.

00:14:30.680 I think before 2008, I would say yes.

00:14:35.260 But once, you know, everyone realized what was really going on on Wall Street, I started

00:14:39.860 to say, well, you know, okay, I'm not going to...

00:14:41.580 I wouldn't say that there's no one...

00:14:43.380 It doesn't make what I did less bad.

00:14:45.260 But I didn't bankrupt Iceland or Greenland or Greece.

00:14:50.420 Right.

00:14:50.780 And I did not do what Bernie Madoff did.

00:14:53.720 And I do think there are levels of apps...

00:14:56.300 Nothing is black and white.

00:14:57.820 So, while what I did was wrong, for sure, and I don't try to minimize that, what paled

00:15:02.900 into comparison is what happened in the global financial crisis with things like Lehman

00:15:07.020 Brothers and Goldman Sachs, where they literally bankrupted the world economy almost.

00:15:10.700 Were you envious at all of those people, like a little bit?

00:15:14.140 You know, no, that wasn't.

00:15:16.700 I would have been envious 10 years earlier, but at that point, I had completely changed

00:15:20.440 my value system.

00:15:21.460 And I felt more like...

00:15:22.760 I felt more like, you see?

00:15:24.760 Not that I'm not a bad guy.

00:15:26.460 I wasn't a bad guy back then.

00:15:27.740 But I always said this.

00:15:29.140 It wasn't like a...

00:15:29.760 See, I knew this was going to happen for years and years.

00:15:31.680 I knew what was going on.

00:15:32.580 And I wrote about it in my book in 2006 or something.

00:15:35.860 I wrote about it much before that.

00:15:39.300 But it wasn't like...

00:15:40.300 To me, it was more about like, you know what?

00:15:42.880 And there you have it.

00:15:44.900 And even then, it wasn't like most of Wall Street was bad.

00:15:48.800 Wall Street's a weird place.

00:15:50.140 Things get magnified.

00:15:51.620 One little thing that wouldn't have much impact on the outside world is a massive impact on

00:15:56.120 Wall Street.

00:15:56.740 Right.

00:15:57.580 Do you...

00:15:58.660 Is Wall Street even a place where people like...

00:16:00.740 Can the mom and pop person, somebody sitting at home, like a regular guy, is there still

00:16:05.820 any real opportunity for people like that in the stock market?

00:16:09.820 100% there is.

00:16:10.920 Very simple.

00:16:11.820 Take your money and put it in a fixed fund that you just...

00:16:16.060 They just invest in the S&P and don't buy it or sell it.

00:16:19.340 It's an electronically traded fund where there's no buying or selling, no commissions.

00:16:23.740 They're just matching the S&P.

00:16:25.460 That's where Warren Buffett puts his money.

00:16:27.560 So that's where I put mine.

00:16:28.420 That's where I recommend you put yours.

00:16:29.380 Do you ever long for the days of like...

00:16:34.440 I mean, you watch Wolf of Wall Street, right?

00:16:36.620 And so do you ever long for some of those...

00:16:39.340 Is there anything you miss the most about that?

00:16:41.660 It seemed like there was such a sense of camaraderie even in some of those sales rooms.

00:16:45.120 Yeah.

00:16:45.660 I mean, I have that now again.

00:16:49.480 And it's a thousand times better.

00:16:51.320 The mistake that I made is...

00:16:53.820 Before you linked up, I didn't really...

00:16:56.380 You linked up sales and being evil and they're just complete unrelated elements.

00:17:01.500 In other words, I am one of the greatest salesmen ever in history and I created a sales system,

00:17:07.020 a way of training salesperson that allowed that insanity to happen.

00:17:10.660 Right.

00:17:10.760 But that was neither good nor bad.

00:17:12.280 It's like a powerful weapon.

00:17:14.280 You either use it for good or it could be a mother in her house and five rapists come in to kill her and her kids and she...

00:17:21.140 No, that gun's a really great thing with being used very justly, right?

00:17:24.260 Right.

00:17:24.640 So you could use...

00:17:25.660 Or you could use it from a bell tower and knock out innocent civilians on the ground, right?

00:17:29.540 Any powerful weapon or any powerful instrument can be an instrument for good or evil.

00:17:34.340 There's no absolutes.

00:17:35.240 So sales is exactly like that.

00:17:36.940 If you're a great salesperson using sales and persuasion ethically, then you're getting people who need things and have certain lacks in their life.

00:17:44.520 You're helping them fill those needs elegantly so they can live a better life.

00:17:47.600 Right.

00:17:47.800 So you were a powerful weapon for sales.

00:17:49.700 I was.

00:17:50.140 And when I was in my 20s, I didn't use that ethically always.

00:17:52.740 Right.

00:17:53.260 And now I would never do anything but.

00:17:55.060 And everything about my life is about ethics, which is why now I have that and it feels a million times better.

00:18:01.120 So you get to...

00:18:01.680 Because there's some actual inner reward to it.

00:18:03.260 But that was my mistake.

00:18:04.260 It was an error of not judging.

00:18:06.180 It was something I had it wrong.

00:18:08.080 My definition of success back in my 20s was about how much money can I make?

00:18:12.980 Of course.

00:18:13.560 But some of that's natural.

00:18:14.580 Yeah.

00:18:15.040 And then I learned the hard way.

00:18:18.400 Many people don't have to learn quite as hard a way as I do.

00:18:21.080 But I learned the hard way.

00:18:21.700 That's not the truth.

00:18:22.500 Now I have a much healthier outlook on it.

00:18:25.000 So I used the gifts I had in this system I created for the exact opposite reasons, which are for reasons of good.

00:18:30.700 Do you feel like your ability to be a great salesperson or the ability to articulate, to lead, to control?

00:18:42.180 I don't want to say like to deceive, but to...

00:18:45.420 Influence.

00:18:46.980 To influence, yeah.

00:18:47.760 Do you feel like that those are like you were born with those things?

00:18:53.100 Yes.

00:18:53.180 Or do you feel like those are things that you learned?

00:18:57.340 Yes.

00:18:57.920 They're both yes to both.

00:18:58.780 So I was born in the same way that Michael Jordan or LeBron James in their universe is what they do better than anyone in the world.

00:19:06.560 I was born with a inner, you know, the skill given from God or nature, whichever one you believe, right?

00:19:12.500 And then through years of practice and repetition, I honed that to near perfection.

00:19:17.340 So I think, and I think that's true of everyone.

00:19:19.720 We're all born with certain skills and either we can develop them or not.

00:19:23.600 The good news is with selling is that you can learn, you can become good enough at it so it never holds you back in your life.

00:19:33.100 I'm not saying I could turn you into me, but I can certainly take someone who is having problems where they communicate.

00:19:39.860 Let's not even use sales.

00:19:40.920 Let's just say communication.

00:19:42.260 Communication, yeah.

00:19:43.040 Their ability to make their thoughts, their ideas, their hopes, their dreams known to other people in a way that lets them say, I get it.

00:19:49.120 I want to be born with it.

00:19:49.760 If you lack that one skill, it's really hard to succeed in life because, you know, you're almost like a one-person army.

00:19:55.100 So you have all these amazing people out in the world that have these great ideas.

00:19:59.240 They could have these amazingly bright, brilliant, high-level lives, but they live a small life and a far less expansive life than they could because they lack this ability and they know it.

00:20:09.440 And their brain says, you know, I don't really want to go put myself out there because I don't feel comfortable.

00:20:13.240 I probably won't even succeed anyway.

00:20:14.760 So they down-regulate their life.

00:20:16.340 They lower their own personal standards and they live a life that's not really as great as it could be.

00:20:20.380 And I think that's the beauty of what I do is the system I created really helps me.

00:20:24.560 I mean, it really helps me.

00:20:25.880 Did you see somebody when you were young in your life that had that or something that made you think like, you know, in hindsight, looking back like, oh, that's not what I want?

00:20:36.340 Or they're cornered by this affliction of their inability to like own their own potential or to.

00:20:43.020 Of course, my parents.

00:20:44.280 They had that?

00:20:44.840 Yes.

00:20:45.200 I've been in space.

00:20:46.140 My parents.

00:20:46.980 So my parents, I grew up in a lower middle class.

00:20:51.400 Parents were brilliant, hardworking, educated, employed, and broke.

00:20:58.760 That's like my mother.

00:20:59.220 And I was like, what the fuck?

00:21:00.120 I'm like, what's missing from this?

00:21:01.640 I don't get it.

00:21:02.280 Was my mother there?

00:21:04.020 I said, how could people be so smart, so hardworking, so industrious, so loyal, so educated, and have no money?

00:21:09.140 And the answer is, A, they were risk-averse, completely risk-averse, depression-era mentality.

00:21:15.260 And second, they thought that selling was evil.

00:21:19.500 They thought that it was inherently evil.

00:21:22.000 And because that's your belief, then you will shy away from anything that makes you, you know, even put you in that box of being deemed as a salesperson.

00:21:32.300 So because that, they were both CPAs.

00:21:34.880 They never tried to sell their skills to other people.

00:21:36.640 They worked for other people.

00:21:37.680 They were cogs in a wheel.

00:21:39.800 Fortunately, I made my dad very wealthy.

00:21:41.880 He worked for me.

00:21:42.700 And then things ended up well for them.

00:21:45.260 But if it wasn't, they would have never lived the lives they were really, in terms of, you know, and by the way, yeah, and lived the lives.

00:21:50.880 Because without money, life's fucking hard to live.

00:21:52.500 Especially when you're older.

00:21:53.740 I mean, you know, Social Security's enough to pay for your diapers when you're really old.

00:21:56.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:57.220 So they were able to, you know, put away a lot of money and be okay.

00:22:01.420 Did they change?

00:22:02.380 You think, like, their mentality and stuff changed as they saw you start to make more money?

00:22:05.960 Do you think it adjusted?

00:22:06.700 Absolutely not.

00:22:07.820 Right.

00:22:08.380 No.

00:22:08.940 Do you think it adjusted their worldview or something at all?

00:22:11.620 No, no.

00:22:12.340 They were so, to this very day, they're still alive.

00:22:15.520 My dad's 88 years old.

00:22:17.020 My mom's 86.

00:22:18.620 And they still live in the same two-bedroom apartment, which they rent for 60 fucking years.

00:22:27.820 Right?

00:22:28.380 They have the same telephone number, the same mailbox, the same fucking parking spot, the same mural on the wall.

00:22:34.580 I just saw it in Mad Men reruns.

00:22:36.620 Okay?

00:22:36.960 It's, like, un-fucking-believable.

00:22:38.220 And they have a lot of money.

00:22:39.380 And they re-upload.

00:22:40.360 It's clean as a whistle.

00:22:41.440 It's re-uploaded.

00:22:42.160 It's nice.

00:22:42.940 It's, like, the fucking Wonder Years.

00:22:44.500 I'm going back.

00:22:44.880 This is the guy from the Wonder Years.

00:22:46.200 It's like, what?

00:22:46.980 But, you know, that's my parents.

00:22:48.080 And I love them.

00:22:48.860 They're beautiful, amazing people.

00:22:50.200 But that's, their belief system creates that sort of outcome for them.

00:22:56.820 Did they, um, did they like Wolf Wall Street when it came out?

00:23:00.280 They loved it.

00:23:00.920 They did.

00:23:01.120 You know, my dad just died because, obviously, he became, you know.

00:23:03.440 Yeah.

00:23:04.420 Listen, he ain't lived until you've been in a fucking Scorsese movie, right?

00:23:07.500 So, my dad, you know, was portrayed very vividly.

00:23:10.680 My mother, not so much because she wasn't involved in the business.

00:23:13.620 And he was just like that, though.

00:23:15.560 He was, like, a force of nature, my dad.

00:23:17.000 Like, people were terrified of him, you know.

00:23:19.720 Which is great for me.

00:23:20.680 Do you miss that time in your 20s?

00:23:22.460 Like, do you miss, like, I mean, obviously, we all miss, like, the youth of it and stuff.

00:23:25.800 But is there, like, um, is there anything about, like, just, like, the debauchery it seemed like you could have back then?

00:23:31.740 Even just in the times it was.

00:23:33.420 Like, now we can't even have that much fun.

00:23:35.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:35.880 So, I mean, yeah.

00:23:37.340 No doubt about it, right?

00:23:38.680 Like, it seemed like you guys could probably kill somebody.

00:23:40.940 Almost.

00:23:41.180 You know, hang them out a window.

00:23:43.060 Just don't drop them.

00:23:43.900 Or if you drop them, you have to pay some damages, you know.

00:23:45.920 Yeah.

00:23:47.540 Different world.

00:23:49.180 Different rules.

00:23:50.900 And in some ways, it's a lot better.

00:23:53.100 And in some ways, it's a lot worse, right?

00:23:55.780 My assistant back then, her real name was Mona.

00:23:58.120 We still keep in touch.

00:23:59.140 About a year ago, I was doing an event in New York.

00:24:01.360 And Mona came just to, you know, for old time's sake.

00:24:04.040 And we had this high-end dinner for some high-end, just like, you know, people would pay extra for tickets, right?

00:24:08.160 And she sat there during the dinner, and she, like, says, you know, guys, I want to just tell you, this whole Me Too stuff, she goes, you girls don't know what you're missing.

00:24:15.640 We had so much fun.

00:24:18.120 There wouldn't be one girl at work, because there was never, see, there's a difference in sexual harassment and sexual promiscuity.

00:24:25.120 There was, if you was harassed, you'd be fucking, no one was getting harassed in my, you know, I'd fucking throw them out.

00:24:29.780 My father would probably shoot him, okay?

00:24:31.060 Yeah.

00:24:31.440 It was none of that going on.

00:24:32.580 If someone was harassed, that guy, the guys would be, it wasn't like, it was respect.

00:24:35.800 But it was fucking everyone under the desk, to the Coke closets.

00:24:38.300 It was fucking insanity.

00:24:39.640 It was just wild shit.

00:24:41.000 Coke goes in the fucking basement.

00:24:43.220 I'm not even kidding you.

00:24:44.140 No, it's fine.

00:24:44.980 I like that.

00:24:45.380 No, it was real, and they all loved it.

00:24:48.340 Yeah.

00:24:48.640 But if you didn't want to partake, you were not pressured or bothered, that was, like, the healthy version of that.

00:24:54.700 I don't think the casting couch was, it wasn't like you'd go to Stratton and say, I don't want to spread my legs, so, oh, sorry, well, you can't, well, you're going to be a lower level.

00:25:02.200 No, it didn't fucking matter.

00:25:03.380 Right.

00:25:03.580 Either you did it because you wanted it or you're not, we loved you either way.

00:25:06.160 Yeah.

00:25:06.500 It wasn't part, it was more enough to partake.

00:25:08.100 It was just part of your personality.

00:25:09.360 And it was good to have both types of people there, but no one judged, it was just a wide, it was a fucking circus, right?

00:25:14.960 That's very different than a woman who's going to Hollywood back in the 90s and has to fuck some fat motherfucker or else she can't get, that's fucked up.

00:25:24.220 Yeah.

00:25:24.380 And that had to stop and I'm glad it has stopped.

00:25:26.560 The problem is, is there's lots of gray in between those two places and what happens with any movement, not just this, whether it's communism in the late 50s, like the Red Sea, it's always, it polarizes to one place until it eventually normalizes.

00:25:40.500 So my hope is, is that it settles back to a level that has all the things that it should have been the Me Too movement and not the idiocy and insanity that it so often projects out to the world when 99% of the people in the movement would not want that.

00:25:53.960 They would like it to be just and fair in the middle.

00:25:56.840 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:57.180 I think that people have their voice, that the people that fuck up should be, you know, dealt with, but innocent people shouldn't suffer.

00:26:03.780 And also what you did 38 years ago between two people, I have a tough time with that and less there's proof, but that's just me.

00:26:10.040 Do you still have people that reach out from the past?

00:26:12.080 They feel like you owe them money or you owe them debts or anything like that?

00:26:14.960 No, no, no, no, never.

00:26:19.100 Do you ever feel like, do you ever feel like a sense of like remorse or anything like that still?

00:26:24.380 Or like, do you ever feel like karma has like some weird plan for you or something like that?

00:26:29.280 It is the plan.

00:26:30.200 Yeah.

00:26:30.820 Karma's a bitch.

00:26:31.380 Right, this is the plan.

00:26:32.140 This is the plan.

00:26:32.860 Right.

00:26:33.060 And it's a good plan.

00:26:33.880 It's a just plan.

00:26:35.180 And I think that, listen, you know, there's a lot of people who did worse things than me and I did a lot worse things than other people.

00:26:45.380 I think on some level I just had an ability to write about them really well.

00:26:50.120 And it struck a chord in people in Hollywood and I'm not trying to minimize that my life was insane.

00:26:58.640 It was insane, but we all know that there are lots of crazy people out there.

00:27:02.820 I think part of it was that the thing about my life that I think really when you get down to it, why it became a cult hit the movie.

00:27:11.200 A, because Scorsese is amazing.

00:27:12.800 Right.

00:27:13.120 Because he just is.

00:27:14.100 Yeah.

00:27:14.320 He just is amazing and somehow, who knows what the fuck he does, somehow he has a way of doing things that just, no one else could do what he does in his domain, right?

00:27:22.880 Yeah, he's got big butts.

00:27:23.780 He's got Leonardo DiCaprio.

00:27:25.100 Not even that.

00:27:25.700 It's not even, I think it's beyond that.

00:27:27.420 No, it doesn't hurt.

00:27:28.160 I think it's beyond that.

00:27:29.800 He has a talent that's, how many, how long he's going to.

00:27:33.440 I agree.

00:27:33.860 It's just a talent he has for telling a story in a certain way where other people could not do it as well.

00:27:38.780 Yeah.

00:27:38.960 So that was lucky on my part.

00:27:40.380 I chose Leo.

00:27:41.580 That was my choice.

00:27:43.160 And that's pretty obvious.

00:27:44.540 Why not?

00:27:45.020 Because Leo's fucking Leo.

00:27:46.060 He's great, right?

00:27:47.320 And as I always say, it's better than Danny DeVito, no disrespect.

00:27:50.460 Yeah.

00:27:50.680 I love Danny too, but you know.

00:27:51.940 Different.

00:27:52.340 Danny would have been a different deal.

00:27:53.560 Right, right, right.

00:27:53.920 He would have had a stroke in the first two minutes.

00:27:55.440 Yeah, right, right.

00:27:55.780 So, but the truth is, is that, you know, in terms of what happened is that I made all these disempowered kids into superstars.

00:28:08.300 And that's what connects with people all over the world.

00:28:11.760 The reason young people love the movie, it's not just of the insanity of this or that.

00:28:16.760 It's that people came in that had no real chance for success, didn't believe they were successful.

00:28:23.520 And you turn them around.

00:28:24.060 And they just, and it was a place where you would go and transform into this person of power and live out your dreams.

00:28:29.800 And that's fucking sexy.

00:28:30.200 Did you ever help out a guy that ended up being like a gay guy and he tried to give you a BJ to like, like show you how much he cared, like that kind of thing?

00:28:37.440 Because that seemed like something that could happen.

00:28:39.720 Do you know, you know.

00:28:40.940 Like it seemed like if you empowered somebody so much, it would feel like.

00:28:43.880 I'll tell you what, I don't know whether to be insulted or not.

00:28:47.360 I have never, ever been approached by a gay person to have to.

00:28:51.940 I'm a little bit offended by that.

00:28:53.420 Yeah.

00:28:53.780 Because I was walking through the airport the other day.

00:28:56.620 And no one ever tried to have, like, I was like, am I not good looking up for something?

00:29:00.820 Or like, no, I'm not even fucking around.

00:29:03.440 I wonder why.

00:29:04.320 I don't give off.

00:29:05.000 I guess I don't give off at that vibe.

00:29:06.440 But I think they know.

00:29:07.700 And I don't think, I think.

00:29:09.440 Yeah, susceptible is a vibe.

00:29:10.960 I think also like a gay man would go for another gay man.

00:29:13.860 Or they would go for a straight man that's susceptible.

00:29:15.880 They call it gaydar, right?

00:29:17.360 Yeah.

00:29:17.780 I guess I don't give off the right vibe.

00:29:20.040 Or maybe I'm just not good looking enough.

00:29:21.180 I feel bad about that a little bit.

00:29:22.140 But, you know, I guess it's good because I'm not gay.

00:29:24.160 Yeah.

00:29:24.600 Although I wish I was fucking awesome.

00:29:27.320 Yeah.

00:29:27.420 Do you think gay guys have more fun than straight guys?

00:29:30.100 I think they do.

00:29:31.120 Overall?

00:29:31.760 I think so.

00:29:32.460 Yeah.

00:29:32.740 That could be a stereotype that it's built in.

00:29:34.920 But I think that on someone's logical, I think guys are just fucking hornier.

00:29:38.940 Yeah.

00:29:39.220 So then two guys would probably be hornier than a guy.

00:29:40.980 It just makes sense that it would be.

00:29:42.560 Yeah.

00:29:42.960 You know?

00:29:43.460 But who knows?

00:29:44.820 What was the name?

00:29:45.620 What was the reason for Stratton Oakmont?

00:29:48.080 What was the reason for the name?

00:29:49.760 Nothing sexy.

00:29:50.640 I just bought a company.

00:29:52.540 It was called Stratton Securities.

00:29:53.640 And then that company had like an old lawsuit against it that could have come back.

00:30:00.600 So I had to change the corporate entity.

00:30:02.840 I found another company called Oakmont.

00:30:05.060 I merged the two together.

00:30:06.240 So I bought it and then it became Stratton Oakmont.

00:30:08.060 That was just how it happened.

00:30:08.920 Has there been like – because it has like – because after that, I feel like people started to take like, okay, it has to have this many syllables to be successful.

00:30:14.880 I mean they broke down every single thing that you did.

00:30:16.980 Of course.

00:30:17.500 And by the way, don't think for a second that when I was – I could have changed the name of Stratton to XYZ Securities.

00:30:24.080 I was like, well, this is convenient.

00:30:25.140 It's a great fucking name.

00:30:26.260 Yeah.

00:30:26.440 Because you would want a name that instills confidence and so forth, right?

00:30:29.640 But that was just the luck of the draw.

00:30:31.040 But I would have changed it for sure.

00:30:32.540 I was keenly aware that when I merged Stratton Securities into Oakmont, that Stratton Oakmont sounded better than Stratton.

00:30:39.680 Securities.

00:30:40.020 But it was just luck that it happened.

00:30:41.420 But you can change – you can pick any name you want.

00:30:43.000 You just form a corporation or change to a corporate name to it.

00:30:45.920 Do a DBA even.

00:30:47.260 Doing business as – and you can change – you can use any name.

00:30:50.360 Do you – is there –

00:30:51.820 That's not trademarked.

00:30:52.920 Right.

00:30:53.720 Are there a lot of – are there a lot of like – do you feel like shady business people that reach out to you to try to get insight or try to get information?

00:31:02.560 No doubt about it.

00:31:03.020 Are you able to detect that these days?

00:31:04.760 My wife's the best at that.

00:31:06.000 Oh, really?

00:31:06.320 She's unfucking believable.

00:31:07.220 She's got like a 12th cent.

00:31:08.900 She's like – because she's beyond a 6th, 7th.

00:31:10.440 She's really good at that.

00:31:11.400 Oh, yeah.

00:31:11.820 She's a watchdog.

00:31:12.580 She's my partner.

00:31:12.900 Bitches be scents.

00:31:13.720 She's my partner and she has this like radar.

00:31:17.820 She shoots out and she knows – I'm very careful.

00:31:20.500 Like I – you know, I can tell pretty quickly with – you know, what someone's at.

00:31:24.660 And I'm – listen, and I'm a bit of a sucker myself because I like to believe in stuff and I'm open to being sold to.

00:31:31.440 I'm an easy person to sell to.

00:31:32.700 But if someone's like –

00:31:33.440 That's so funny.

00:31:33.920 Yeah, if someone's not legitimate, I can tell pretty quickly, yeah.

00:31:37.080 But – and would you still like work for some of those types of people?

00:31:40.160 Like if a company reached out to you and you felt like it was extremely unethical?

00:31:43.520 Never.

00:31:43.920 You'd say, look –

00:31:44.700 I haven't.

00:31:45.080 I've walked away many times.

00:31:46.180 Even if the money's good?

00:31:47.060 I've walked away from $100,000 a day.

00:31:48.840 Wow.

00:31:49.660 Many times.

00:31:50.600 And do you – are there companies out there or businesses out there that, you know, susceptible or gullible people?

00:31:57.140 Even like myself, like you just said, like for some reason, like even though sometimes I feel like I'm smart, I also feel like I'm gullible?

00:32:02.800 Different things.

00:32:04.600 So one –

00:32:04.960 So it could be both, you're saying?

00:32:06.160 Of course.

00:32:06.640 So one has to do with your intelligence and your experience and the other is your decision-making strategy.

00:32:12.940 Yeah, I don't have one, really.

00:32:13.920 Well, you know, now you make – you don't realize it, but we all make decisions based on these parallel movies you run.

00:32:19.660 We say if I take action, what's my best possible outcome?

00:32:22.960 What's my biggest pain?

00:32:24.180 If I'm right, this happens.

00:32:25.260 If I'm wrong, you get it.

00:32:26.360 If this guy tries to sell me this shit, if he's telling the truth, what's my best outcome, and if he's full of shit, what's the worst that can happen?

00:32:33.400 That's how human beings make decisions.

00:32:35.320 And what happens with people like myself who are easy to sell to and you seem to be the same way, the movie I run on the positive side is really long and robust.

00:32:45.940 I'll be like, oh, this is great.

00:32:46.960 If he's right, this will – I'll be there.

00:32:48.160 I'll be on the 18th hole of Augusta fucking victory from this stupid golf contraption I bought, right?

00:32:53.740 And my negative down – so I'm like, I'll run it.

00:32:55.900 But, eh, well, I'll lose $40.

00:32:57.160 No big deal.

00:32:57.840 I blunt the negative movie and I run out the positive.

00:33:00.940 It's called future pacing.

00:33:02.260 My dad, who's the fucking hardest person in the world, he would run the same two movies, but he'll run the really short positive movie.

00:33:10.600 He'll be like, oh, yeah, maybe the world will – but I give the guy 40.

00:33:14.060 He'll steal my fucking credit card information.

00:33:15.820 I'll fucking – my golf season will get worse.

00:33:17.300 I'll put the fucking thing.

00:33:18.720 It'll break – people will think I'm an idiot, and they run out to – before he's done, this $149 purchase has him living in a box on the fucking street, and he'll never recover.

00:33:27.340 Wow.

00:33:27.840 That's why we have different – and those latter people are called high-action threshold people, meaning that the level of certainty that they need to be at about something before they – I'm really certain that I'm right about this decision.

00:33:40.660 They have to be at a very high level of certainty versus someone like me or you.

00:33:44.580 I could be – it just sounds good.

00:33:46.580 I'll buy it.

00:33:47.040 Yeah.

00:33:47.580 That's why.

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00:36:46.580 Do you feel like there are there products out there or things you've gotten involved in that are – are there products out there right now or things that are being sold out there right now that would be the number one things that you would tell people to stay away from?

00:37:02.980 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:37:04.480 Yeah.

00:37:05.240 Like Bitcoin and fucking cryptocurrencies.

00:37:07.240 Yeah, that's my opinion immediately.

00:37:09.860 To you as a salesperson, that seems like a fucking racket.

00:37:13.260 Yeah.

00:37:13.980 Yes.

00:37:14.880 Yeah, because I don't think block – not blockchain technology.

00:37:18.440 Right.

00:37:19.260 The inflationary aspects of cryptocurrency are a joke to me.

00:37:23.460 It just makes no sense.

00:37:24.420 It serves no purpose.

00:37:25.620 And I said that at $20,000, you know, and I still say it now.

00:37:29.620 And, you know, listen, you know, that's just my opinion.

00:37:32.520 And that's not the only thing.

00:37:33.440 There's many things out there.

00:37:34.460 The world is full – there's people out there who sell sales training programs who are so terrible.

00:37:40.760 Like they're terrible salespeople.

00:37:42.920 Their stuff makes no – it's idiotic.

00:37:45.340 And you know what?

00:37:45.800 They market their way to success.

00:37:48.060 So they – yeah, they're really good marketers, but they don't know the first fucking thing about sales training or selling.

00:37:54.100 They're very different things, marketing and selling.

00:37:56.400 Right.

00:37:56.900 So –

00:37:57.540 Are we in more of a period now where sales is stronger or marketing is stronger overall, you feel like?

00:38:02.440 They're always – both are always required.

00:38:05.460 But we live in an area where – and in a time right now where you could sell through curated video.

00:38:13.080 In other words, you can carefully manage what you put out to the world by – a person could sit in front of a camera and do 25 takes in front of a camera to get his tonality, his message just right and follow a script.

00:38:27.420 Put that person in a real-world sale.

00:38:29.260 They'd fall apart in two seconds.

00:38:31.120 Right?

00:38:31.400 So you find some unscrupulous people out there who use videos to sell products and other shit when if it was being sold without that.

00:38:39.440 Okay?

00:38:39.900 But the good news is those people I believe is not sustainable and that people will eventually –

00:38:45.400 Adapt and learn.

00:38:46.360 We'll figure it out sooner or later, right?

00:38:48.320 Right.

00:38:48.820 But also the same – you can also do that – the same thing I just said can be used for good.

00:38:53.020 Right.

00:38:53.620 You can do the same thing.

00:38:54.600 You can be terrible at persuasion and learn how to do that and sell things and make a lot of money and help people too.

00:38:59.780 Yeah.

00:39:00.720 What are products like if people ring your phone that you'd be like, oh, these are things.

00:39:03.980 This is not something you should probably – or see –

00:39:05.700 Any donation to charity.

00:39:07.020 Okay.

00:39:08.120 Any single donation to charity.

00:39:11.460 I'm talking like – I never want to say any.

00:39:13.600 99.9999% right?

00:39:16.220 Fire cats.

00:39:17.120 Total scam.

00:39:17.540 Somebody's like, oh, these cats have been in fires and they're like –

00:39:19.740 I'll tell you the scam.

00:39:21.920 Money's going to charity.

00:39:23.360 5%.

00:39:23.840 Right.

00:39:24.420 95% is going in the pocket of the people who have created people with telemarkers.

00:39:28.520 Number one.

00:39:29.040 Any type of thing that has to do with medication on the phone.

00:39:32.040 Mm-hmm.

00:39:32.340 Okay, it's being made in China.

00:39:33.920 It sucks and they'll never fucking stop calling you once they get your number until you change it.

00:39:37.800 So those things I would never certainly do.

00:39:40.380 You know, listen, I'm a big believer that if you get that feeling in your gut that something seems off, you're probably fucking right.

00:39:50.360 Right.

00:39:51.800 Yeah, I can notice that.

00:39:52.800 Even if I'm leaving a place and I feel like I forget something sometimes, I'm like every time I don't check, I'm always right.

00:39:58.800 I get something like, fuck, I forgot something.

00:40:00.360 There's a lot of stuff out there.

00:40:02.980 That you got to be careful.

00:40:05.820 And it's good to understand what causes you to make certain decisions.

00:40:09.760 And once you know, you can almost empower you to make better decisions, you know?

00:40:13.360 Do you – is it tough to navigate since you like have such a, you know, a long time of like doing business and business acumen and sales acumen?

00:40:21.460 Is it tough to like – like emotionally when you get into like relationships and stuff, is it tough to separate how you navigate those two things?

00:40:29.860 That's a really good question.

00:40:30.880 And so, you know, my second wife, different wives, she used to say to me, you know, of all the reasons I hate you and I hate you for so many fucking reasons.

00:40:40.220 The one reason I hate you more than all trumps them all is that when we would argue and when we'd have – you were just so fucking persuasive.

00:40:49.440 I say, okay, I guess.

00:40:50.860 And I was actually – it turns out I was right.

00:40:52.520 But you were so fucking good at persuading.

00:40:54.300 I just always gave in.

00:40:55.380 It turns out I was right.

00:40:56.220 She was – that just drove me fucking crazy.

00:40:57.740 And I always say when I teach the system, I teach this called the straight line.

00:41:01.260 I say, don't straight line your fucking wife.

00:41:03.520 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:03.900 Because it doesn't always lead to a happy ending.

00:41:05.700 Yeah.

00:41:06.080 Just because you can just persuade someone, don't always do it, you know?

00:41:09.640 Do you feel like your first wife or your – like you're on your third wife now?

00:41:13.180 This is your third marriage?

00:41:14.200 Sorry.

00:41:14.480 Not on your third wife, but –

00:41:16.800 I hope I'm on her as much as possible.

00:41:18.060 I know, huh?

00:41:18.840 Because I love her and she's beautiful, so.

00:41:20.480 Do you miss like your first wife ever?

00:41:24.500 My first wife was an angel.

00:41:25.960 She was?

00:41:26.400 She was an angel.

00:41:27.160 She was an angel and –

00:41:29.060 And you probably went into that making – was it different you making those decisions?

00:41:32.460 Like were you more like –

00:41:33.540 It was the same me, but she was just – I was 22 and, you know, I just – I loved her to death.

00:41:39.840 She was gorgeous.

00:41:41.240 Farm wall – I mean, much – and the girl was actually pretty in the movie, but she was down.

00:41:45.940 They made her look not as pretty.

00:41:47.600 But she was a beautiful girl, sexy, not tremendously intelligent.

00:41:54.060 Like that was her thing.

00:41:54.880 You know, she was a hairdresser, but she was really nice, good heart.

00:41:58.020 And I fucked her.

00:41:59.300 I just fucked her over.

00:42:00.280 I really did.

00:42:00.760 I did.

00:42:01.020 I went through a time in my life – I don't think any woman at that moment in my life would have been enough because I wasn't enough for myself.

00:42:10.540 And I was looking for an answer outside myself.

00:42:13.260 So I would always – you know, I mean, I did my best dating after I married her.

00:42:16.020 So it's probably not a good thing.

00:42:18.200 What was like some of the hardest things to hide like when you were running around and being – because I've been a philanderer, you know?

00:42:22.580 What was like some of the tough things like –

00:42:24.720 Yeah.

00:42:25.080 Let me just out loud, but I would never want to be with her versus my current wife.

00:42:30.160 Right.

00:42:30.620 So my current wife represents the best of everything.

00:42:33.060 Right.

00:42:33.340 I don't say I'm dead.

00:42:34.140 No, but it's the truth though.

00:42:35.320 So – but the point was I just – she was an angel of a human being though.

00:42:38.300 Yeah.

00:42:38.480 That's why.

00:42:38.680 Was it tough running – like as your – as life started to get more heightened, you started to get more money?

00:42:43.600 I mean, with more money, obviously, more opportunities came around.

00:42:45.940 There were more women around.

00:42:47.040 To say the least.

00:42:47.360 Like did it get crazy like hiding things like from – it must have gotten bizarre, huh?

00:42:51.800 Hiding from who?

00:42:52.580 My second wife?

00:42:52.980 Hiding things from your first wife.

00:42:54.300 Your first wife, yeah.

00:42:55.080 Well, yes, but I didn't do a great job of it always, you know?

00:42:59.800 And I think that – I mean, it was insane.

00:43:04.240 I mean, I went from being a guy that – it's like my junior partner, Danny.

00:43:08.680 He's like, hey, let's go into the city.

00:43:09.840 I'm like, Danny, it's Tuesday night.

00:43:12.020 I would never do – I'm a married guy.

00:43:14.140 I was like, why are you fucking – he hated his wife always.

00:43:16.720 I loved my wife in the beginning, right?

00:43:18.060 Is he still married to her or no?

00:43:19.100 Oh, no.

00:43:19.620 No fucking way.

00:43:20.180 They were first cousins.

00:43:20.940 They almost killed each other, yeah.

00:43:22.000 Oh, yeah, they were first cousins.

00:43:23.240 That's great, dude.

00:43:24.920 I never met a woman that hated a man as much as Nancy hated Danny.

00:43:28.720 She fucking hated him.

00:43:30.340 Anyway, oh, my gosh, she really hated him.

00:43:32.620 But in the beginning, I was like, I'm not going to the city.

00:43:35.560 And then one day I went in.

00:43:36.860 Within two months, it was like four nights a week in the city.

00:43:39.980 I'm very suggestible, you know?

00:43:41.660 And I didn't do a very good job of handling wealth, success, and fame the first time around.

00:43:49.040 I did not do a good job of it.

00:43:50.180 I didn't.

00:43:51.880 It didn't change who I was.

00:43:53.800 It made me more of what was ready to come out, which was I could not handle having unlimited money, carnal opportunity.

00:44:03.240 All of a sudden, every girl was like, it was like, whoa.

00:44:05.400 It was like every adolescent fantasy being at my fingertips, right?

00:44:09.600 Now, you know, nowadays I would just, I laugh at the whole thing.

00:44:12.060 I respect it, and I enjoy it, and I use it to empower myself and other people.

00:44:17.200 But I never, like, it's not this, and the movie came out, it didn't change me in any way, but for the better.

00:44:21.920 Do you ever hire, like, have you ever been so high on cocaine where you couldn't have sex, you know?

00:44:25.800 So, but you hired other people to have sex, like, you paid some people to fuck or not, you think?

00:44:31.240 Well, let me just, the first answer, like, probably every time I took cocaine.

00:44:34.660 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:35.220 I know one guy, Sam Tripoli, he's been on this podcast, and he's, like, notorious for being able to fuck on cocaine.

00:44:41.220 Without Viagra.

00:44:42.340 Oh, yeah.

00:44:43.000 So this is before Viagra.

00:44:43.760 People would pay him to come over when he was on cocaine and fuck somebody they knew.

00:44:46.620 Like, he was, like, the guy.

00:44:48.560 That's amazing, because when I took cocaine, it's like, you know, it's like, fucking holy Christ.

00:44:52.520 Oh, it's like Punxsutawney Phil, dude.

00:44:54.300 But, but, but, and this is true, I'd be, like, four hours, suck, I'm like, keep going, I'm almost there.

00:45:01.060 Oh, yeah, I won't stop.

00:45:01.900 I didn't give a fuck.

00:45:02.640 Hopeful.

00:45:03.140 I was hopeful, always had the, I'm a very half, you know, glass apple, so I die.

00:45:07.480 So I was completely fine.

00:45:09.060 Mouth half empty.

00:45:10.040 Just keep going, you know, to a walker.

00:45:11.380 It's always, oh, it's fine, it's good, yeah.

00:45:12.980 I'm like, I'm on the phone, yeah, I love it.

00:45:14.540 And it actually did feel good back then when you were on coke, but some season's really sick about that.

00:45:20.280 Oh, well, it's, but that's also what happened, man.

00:45:22.740 Did the cocaine start to get a little seedy?

00:45:24.760 What were you guys getting?

00:45:25.560 Were you guys getting some good stuff or not?

00:45:27.520 Was the cocaine seedy, or was the actions as a result of the cocaine?

00:45:31.020 Oh, dude, the cocaine, I mean, when I was doing cocaine, bro, we weren't even doing anything that good, dude.

00:45:35.360 No, we were doing, I was doing great.

00:45:35.920 We probably could have made it ourselves, you know.

00:45:37.760 We were doing great cocaine.

00:45:38.580 It was great.

00:45:38.900 Yeah.

00:45:38.960 I had a connection at that from a guy at the airport.

00:45:42.440 It was getting almost close to pure, you know.

00:45:44.680 At the end, I had like a gigantic bag, like a kilo on my desk.

00:45:48.220 I could have done a fucking, I was like out, I was like out, she would like fucking scoffing.

00:45:52.220 Face, I was really good.

00:45:53.200 Dude, I used to have dreams I would take my head off, right?

00:45:55.560 Put it in a dryer, like a washing machine, like a dryer.

00:45:59.140 Throw a bunch of cocaine in there and put it on fucking permanent press, dude.

00:46:02.400 You're a sick fuck.

00:46:03.080 You are a sick fuck.

00:46:04.160 I should do it.

00:46:04.920 I never had that dream and I really want to analyze you when you come on my podcast and

00:46:08.640 get to the bottom of that shit.

00:46:09.900 Get some fucked up shit.

00:46:11.580 But with me, it was like, you know what it was with me?

00:46:13.800 I have an issue with like regulating my obsessions.

00:46:17.720 Once I get started on anything, anything, business, tennis, drug use, cheating, I have

00:46:25.660 to be the best at it.

00:46:26.240 You gotta do it.

00:46:26.700 I just go for it and I fucking perfect it, bring it to a new level.

00:46:30.040 It's addiction, right?

00:46:31.060 It's addiction of some sort.

00:46:32.440 And my use of, I say, Volvo's Quaaludes was really the defining thing for me in terms

00:46:38.420 of drugs and I just, it was fucking great.

00:46:41.200 I mean, thank God they're illegal.

00:46:42.420 Thank God you can't find them.

00:46:43.620 Really?

00:46:44.020 Because, oh my God, they were just too good.

00:46:45.860 How good were they, you think?

00:46:47.080 Better than you can, they were so good that imagine like, it's like bliss fucking condensed

00:46:53.720 into like a one CC mainline for like, and here's the best part, no hangover afterwards.

00:46:59.440 What?

00:47:00.020 That was the part.

00:47:00.920 So you'd be high as a fucking kite and then you'd walk, oh, yeah, come here, come back.

00:47:05.800 So you could like actually do it, like have a high between 7 and 8 a.m., go to the opposite

00:47:09.660 of 9.30, you get, it was really fucking weird.

00:47:12.700 Dude, some guy got so fucking high one time, he was on whatever these shitty pills are now,

00:47:17.080 all these fentanyls and all of that.

00:47:18.340 That's fucked up.

00:47:19.140 This dude tied his fucking arms together in a knot, broke both of his arms.

00:47:22.640 How crazy is that?

00:47:24.300 Who did that?

00:47:25.060 A guy, I know, a white guy.

00:47:26.480 A white guy.

00:47:27.360 Yeah.

00:47:27.600 He must have some fucking long rubbery arms.

00:47:29.880 Oh, I don't know what he's got, but I'm just saying the pills are different now.

00:47:32.740 Now this is the kind of shit people are doing.

00:47:34.240 At least in your pills, people went to work from 7 to 8 a.m.

00:47:36.540 Yeah, so fentanyl, of course I've done fentanyl, I mean, you know, I've tried everything,

00:47:41.800 but fentanyl.

00:47:42.720 Yeah, who do we think?

00:47:43.720 You're Christopher Robin?

00:47:44.760 Of course you've done fentanyl.

00:47:46.560 Fentanyl, the shit kills you because it's very depressive on your respiration, makes you stop breathing.

00:47:52.080 So I'd have to speak to this guy to analyze how he was able to get that high on fentanyl

00:47:56.040 and not die and put his arms together.

00:47:58.840 I could see how he couldn't feel his arms being broken into pretzels, but that's a fucking

00:48:02.640 one for the record books, I think.

00:48:03.920 Yeah.

00:48:04.040 Yeah, he was kind of an artist before that, so he's always-

00:48:07.940 I guess it explains it, you know?

00:48:09.280 Yeah, he's been always kind of a wild guy.

00:48:11.280 Yeah.

00:48:13.280 I'm trying to think of some other things that I really want to think about and talk about.

00:48:16.140 You may ask me anything.

00:48:16.680 I have no, nothing is off limits.

00:48:20.300 Did you guys, I've always had this crazy fantasy that you guys like did this sex trick where

00:48:25.040 like somebody would like, you'd have a woman who would like be like downstairs with her

00:48:29.560 legs open, right, and somebody would jump off of a balcony or something with an erection

00:48:33.560 and try to land in the woman?

00:48:36.080 You are a sick fuck.

00:48:38.640 I'm just trying to visualize the possibility of success.

00:48:41.740 I'm doing how fat would the woman have to be, how thin would the guy, how long.

00:48:45.280 I never tried it, and you'd have to have a lot of like safety features set up.

00:48:49.000 Yeah, a lot of safety features.

00:48:51.160 No, it's interesting because we did try that stuff, like all the things that you saw.

00:48:54.480 It was always like we tried to think it out, okay, like what things do we have to do to

00:48:58.400 pull the shit off?

00:49:01.220 Yeah.

00:49:01.440 Like we don't want people to get hurt or anything.

00:49:02.840 Right.

00:49:03.060 We do want to see insane happenings, like, you know, but it wasn't like the Roman, it

00:49:06.640 was like the Roman Coliseum.

00:49:07.880 We didn't want death, really.

00:49:09.040 We wanted it just to be some maiming, but no death, no permanent, no permanent things,

00:49:13.320 you know?

00:49:13.520 Yeah.

00:49:13.900 So, but that would be a tough one, and we never really tried that one.

00:49:17.480 But I like, I like to observe it just to see it like someone else do it.

00:49:20.840 Yeah.

00:49:21.120 Just, you know, check it out.

00:49:22.140 You got a lot of young, you know, you see a lot of young trend these days.

00:49:24.300 A lot of young kids would try to become famous.

00:49:27.060 They'll, they'll, they'll, they'll key into this idea of like the movie Jackass, trying

00:49:30.800 to do crazy stunts, right?

00:49:31.940 So maybe you could share that with some of them and more, so we'll try that, I'm sure.

00:49:35.420 Yeah, try to break their necks.

00:49:36.460 Yeah, everybody's, everybody's at a level now where it's like, can you top this?

00:49:42.500 Can you top this?

00:49:43.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:43.720 Do you think we've reached like, kind of like a crescendo in a way?

00:49:46.860 No.

00:49:47.360 You know?

00:49:47.740 Not even close.

00:49:49.500 They've been saying that since the 1800s, you know?

00:49:51.520 I think, I got to check the, yeah, I think it was either 1892, 1907 or the, the U.S.

00:49:56.340 patent office said, we're going to close because everything that's been invented has already

00:50:00.680 been invented.

00:50:01.580 I'm not even making that up.

00:50:03.080 They thought all inventions had been now been made.

00:50:05.140 We can close the patent office.

00:50:06.440 It was before electricity.

00:50:07.820 Did you ever get roped into like a bad business that you wish you hadn't gotten into?

00:50:12.600 Yeah.

00:50:12.960 Like a million of them.

00:50:13.680 More, more bad than good.

00:50:14.720 They'd be like, I've failed far more than I've succeeded, you know?

00:50:17.700 And that's most successful people is you always end up in these bad, you don't think

00:50:21.540 they're bad when you try them.

00:50:22.540 They just end up turning bad for whatever reason.

00:50:24.600 And the idea either was flawed from the beginning or your execution was flawed in some way.

00:50:29.600 And, you know, you try to pivot as quickly as you can, as often as you can.

00:50:32.780 And sometimes you just can't, you're just going to shut it down.

00:50:35.080 And what's like a shit, what's like a shit thing you got involved in?

00:50:37.980 What's like one of the worst things you ever got involved in?

00:50:39.640 Worst thing I ever got involved in was a chain of dollar stores.

00:50:43.600 Back in the craze in the 90s, everything for dollar stores, right?

00:50:47.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:47.640 And my daughter was just about to be born.

00:50:51.240 I was like half in, I was like, not really, my head wasn't really in the game, you know?

00:50:55.180 And so I was like, oh, I got this great deal for you.

00:50:56.940 It's a, these dollar stores are about, they're a little bank, they just need a few million

00:51:00.760 bucks.

00:51:01.620 There's 54 stores, they're public, you could take over the float of the stock.

00:51:05.640 I was like, and it came for a pretty reputable source.

00:51:07.540 I was like, ah, fuck, I'm a three dollar, I'll do it.

00:51:09.840 It ended up being a fucking black hole.

00:51:11.720 Probably cost me $20 million and a lot of aggravation.

00:51:14.080 Really?

00:51:14.560 Yeah.

00:51:15.040 At what point do you realize that like an investment is just an aggravation?

00:51:18.860 And at some point you just need to cut your losses and find a way to get out of something.

00:51:22.380 Like I've even noticed, like I've invested in like, like, you know, like bought into a building

00:51:26.560 with some friends.

00:51:28.140 We couldn't decide what to do with it.

00:51:29.520 And at a certain point I'm spending half of every day just arguing.

00:51:31.900 And at some point the stress that it's taken on me is just erroneous, you know?

00:51:36.620 So at some points I'm realizing like, I'm going to lose, you know, I'm going to lose

00:51:40.580 my entire investment and probably double what I've invested.

00:51:43.140 But at some point I just have to get out of this and cut my losses.

00:51:45.720 Yeah, I think that typically in those situations the biggest loss is not even money.

00:51:50.980 It's the time and the aggravation that stops you from doing something else.

00:51:55.380 So, you know, very often people, we all go into businesses, those who are entrepreneurial

00:52:00.360 and we try something that seems like a real winner on paper.

00:52:04.400 But there's something about the dynamics, the way it plays out in the real world where

00:52:09.020 it just doesn't quite work out.

00:52:11.560 It happens more often than not, right?

00:52:13.440 There's something with the market or the marketing, something happens, right?

00:52:17.520 And then you add this fork in the road where you could say, you know, am I going to cut

00:52:21.800 my losses and move on or am I going to keep trying to make it work?

00:52:25.780 And that's really the ultimate question for an entrepreneur, right?

00:52:28.660 And, you know, for me it's, you know, I have a certain sort of discipline of like, yeah,

00:52:31.880 I'll give it, I'll do three or four pivots over six months.

00:52:34.740 I'll set my losses at a certain amount, but, but, and also just some of it's feeling, you

00:52:41.080 know, I have, it's time to say no, right?

00:52:43.920 But what I see a lot is, and what really hurts people is they get emotionally attached to

00:52:49.620 their ideas.

00:52:50.340 So when any other rational person would say, dude, just shut the fucking thing down because

00:52:55.840 you're wasting so much time, it's aggravating you so much.

00:52:58.520 If you just directed this much energy to a different idea, you'd already be rich.

00:53:03.000 So that's what you have to be really more careful than an exact formula.

00:53:07.020 There's no exact formula to pinpoint that moment, but you know, it's, it's, again, if you keep

00:53:12.040 trying to pivot, change your approach and it's just not working, it's like six months, you

00:53:15.740 got to take a good look at it.

00:53:17.300 Do you think since you expressed also that you like have the ability to feel kind of like

00:53:21.080 gullible sometimes, you know, do you think that if you feel like you got kind of tricked

00:53:26.820 or convinced into something that didn't pan out, um, do you feel anger at the person or

00:53:34.060 the entity that led you to that?

00:53:36.220 Or do you just feel like, oh, I should have known better.

00:53:39.200 I should have figured this out differently.

00:53:41.320 Um, at this point in my life, I'm not getting tricked into anything, right?

00:53:45.760 In other words, if I'm getting, if it turns out that it didn't work, it's not because it

00:53:50.820 was because the other person was gullible too.

00:53:52.840 Yeah.

00:53:53.080 I'll see through a bad idea really quickly, but I could be wrong as well.

00:53:57.740 A lot.

00:53:58.220 I could be wrong.

00:53:58.760 I just like thought it looked good, but it's not like someone's going to pull the wool over

00:54:01.620 my eyes like that.

00:54:02.820 Um, I'm a little bit older and wise than I, than I once was.

00:54:05.940 And I, I'd like to think at least that I'm not saying I'll be right, but I don't think

00:54:10.700 it's like someone's going to just trick me that that's not, I'll take a pretty tough,

00:54:13.600 tough gig right now.

00:54:15.100 Yeah.

00:54:15.460 I'm just thinking like, if so, if you were like able to like, you know, back in the day,

00:54:18.620 whenever you guys were, um, you know, when you had your, uh, firm brokerage, yeah.

00:54:24.380 When you guys were selling stuff to people, do you, if you are also like a gullible person,

00:54:28.520 did you ever think like, man, these people are more gullible than me or I can, did it

00:54:32.180 give you an ability to relate to those people?

00:54:34.200 No, no.

00:54:34.540 It's just that, you know, we call really wealthy people and you know, it was really

00:54:38.760 about, they were very rich.

00:54:40.140 They were investing all over the place.

00:54:41.740 It was another place they were throwing their money at.

00:54:44.240 Like it wasn't, you guys weren't calling like a lot of moms and moms, none, zero, none.

00:54:48.260 Right.

00:54:48.540 No, they were, you couldn't, wasn't allowed.

00:54:50.560 Why, why would we, we, you know, we were only talking ultra wealthy people in that money.

00:54:54.700 Right.

00:54:55.140 Yeah.

00:54:55.420 So, um, so I, and I said that like, not cause I'm saying like, it wasn't because we

00:54:58.700 were so ethical.

00:54:59.160 It was just like, why would you like, it was, it was, the ethics was built into the system.

00:55:02.840 Like don't call anyone that's not totally rich because they're not going to be able to

00:55:05.920 invest enough money.

00:55:06.740 Right.

00:55:06.960 So we didn't.

00:55:07.500 Right.

00:55:07.700 And it was a self regulating system like that.

00:55:10.180 Right.

00:55:10.920 Um, it wasn't really that.

00:55:13.020 It was more about like, you know, you're, I was in awe how people would simply trust

00:55:19.580 to send millions of dollars in over the telephone without ever meeting their broker.

00:55:25.660 Now, remember this is before the internet.

00:55:27.360 You couldn't even track the stock.

00:55:28.700 Right.

00:55:28.960 But it was happening all over wall street.

00:55:31.920 Right.

00:55:32.520 I just couldn't even track.

00:55:33.540 There wasn't even a website.

00:55:34.340 You could then get off the phone and log in to watch it in the newspaper the next day

00:55:37.700 and see.

00:55:38.260 So they had this shit called cuffing quotes where you'd actually the guy, Hey, where's my

00:55:42.240 start?

00:55:42.440 Oh, it's a six and a half.

00:55:43.340 It was like six.

00:55:44.520 People would like, Oh, there was no way to check.

00:55:46.240 It was crazy.

00:55:48.220 And, um, that's crazy.

00:55:49.560 Yeah.

00:55:49.860 So that part was amazing.

00:55:50.840 So there was much more, there was much more of an art to selling back in the day.

00:55:53.720 Like these people now, they're, I mean, they're doing it.

00:55:56.420 This is easy to do with the computers and everything.

00:55:58.380 You guys had to do it.

00:55:59.560 Well, I wouldn't say it's easier, but what's happened.

00:56:03.080 It takes less finesse.

00:56:04.180 How about this?

00:56:04.820 Well, well, the point is what's happened is you sell a lot now through email.

00:56:10.200 You sell through video.

00:56:11.540 So what happens is you can, you use other mediums to deliver the same message.

00:56:15.520 And what happens when you're delivering on video, you're playing both sides of the back

00:56:20.220 and forth and you have these little loops you're putting in your video.

00:56:22.920 So the same situation, the same rules apply right now.

00:56:26.600 It just to me makes it easier today than it once was.

00:56:29.740 I see.

00:56:30.060 The same rules apply and a great salesperson will still always reign supreme.

00:56:34.040 And at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, if you really want to get someone

00:56:37.540 to spend more than a thousand or so, you got to speak to them on the phone.

00:56:40.360 So there's a limit to what, at least today, what people will send you over the internet.

00:56:43.840 What do you, when you think, when you look at guys like these guys, Gary Vaynerchuk and

00:56:47.720 Zita, what's that guy who reads the book a day?

00:56:51.580 Oh, it's a Tai Lopez.

00:56:52.980 Yeah.

00:56:53.280 These, these, these guys, are these guys monkeys?

00:56:55.640 Are these guys legitimate?

00:56:57.160 Gary's legitimate.

00:56:58.740 Legitimate guys?

00:56:59.420 Gary's legitimate.

00:57:00.200 Tai is legitimate.

00:57:01.160 Yeah.

00:57:01.880 I think he started off.

00:57:03.400 See, I'll tell you why I respect Tai.

00:57:04.880 I respect Tai because he started off probably not, but he fucking skilled himself up.

00:57:10.000 That's all you could ever ask of someone.

00:57:12.780 Like if they, what makes someone a scumbag is when they start off putting themselves out

00:57:17.820 there and they're not the real deal.

00:57:19.820 But you got to really give someone credit to that.

00:57:22.140 But if they're going to not then skill themselves up and become the real deal.

00:57:26.700 So Tai evolved himself.

00:57:28.740 Whether he reads a book or then, I don't really know.

00:57:30.920 Yeah.

00:57:31.040 That seems crazy though.

00:57:32.120 Cause he's got to have fast eyes.

00:57:33.460 But he surrounded himself with people like Alex Mayer, brilliant NASA scientist.

00:57:39.200 So Tai surrounded himself and built a net.

00:57:41.560 You get it?

00:57:42.460 With killers.

00:57:43.180 Yeah.

00:57:43.220 So my hat's off to him.

00:57:44.540 Gary's is a real player.

00:57:45.640 Gary's not.

00:57:46.280 But though you named two legit ones, it's like a million illegit ones.

00:57:49.200 Right.

00:57:49.720 You know, I mean more than you could fucking count.

00:57:51.880 Yeah.

00:57:52.020 I don't even know some of the ones that are out there.

00:57:53.360 Nick, do you know any of those guys that are out there?

00:57:54.640 We had a question where a guy named one.

00:57:56.920 Okay.

00:57:57.500 Semi-related.

00:57:58.140 Let's go to that.

00:58:00.060 And this actually came from a UFC veteran, Alan Belcher.

00:58:04.020 Let's say you were in a UFC fight.

00:58:06.620 I don't know.

00:58:06.960 Maybe say you were going to fight Grant Cardone.

00:58:11.640 How would you sell that fight?

00:58:15.040 That's really funny.

00:58:16.400 Well, I think Grant has done a really good job because somehow he's managed to create a

00:58:21.360 controversy between me and him when none exists.

00:58:24.020 Like he posted, put some really strange.

00:58:27.260 Listen, so I, up until about a year ago, I was completely disengaged from my brand.

00:58:32.740 I was working at one company, a major company that had retained all my services, right?

00:58:37.120 So it's kind of disconnected from the whole training and everything in it, right?

00:58:40.280 And then over this time, I guess Grant was building up his business.

00:58:43.840 And then when I got back into it, my son works.

00:58:46.180 My son's very much into social media and he really manages that.

00:58:48.820 So Grant posted some video like sort of trash talking me.

00:58:52.220 I was like, I'm like, who's Grant Cardone?

00:58:53.640 I don't even know who the guy is.

00:58:54.360 He's like saying stuff about me.

00:58:55.740 I was like, what the fuck?

00:58:56.500 So my son then posted something that allegedly was from me saying, dude, blah.

00:59:01.080 And when he did that, Grant, all his people were like, dude, I don't know why you're saying

00:59:04.680 that because I've been through his system and it's better than yours.

00:59:07.420 If you look at his own page where he said it.

00:59:09.740 People are saying that.

00:59:10.520 On his own page, not my page.

00:59:11.780 Right.

00:59:12.200 And I knew it was out there for like a year.

00:59:14.480 I never did a fan and give a fuck, okay?

00:59:16.400 So when you're in the top, people always say shit about you, right?

00:59:19.380 But then my son made some comment, like some really funny comment back because my son's a

00:59:22.840 great troll.

00:59:23.440 If he's got to be, he'll just kill you.

00:59:25.040 You know, he's really, he's really sharp like that.

00:59:27.020 And then it was like, it was like, ooh, you know, but it was like, I said, the funny thing

00:59:29.920 is if Grant really is taking it seriously, he doesn't know he's fighting with a 21 year

00:59:32.820 old.

00:59:33.340 Oh, he thinks he's fighting with you.

00:59:34.520 Anyway, he's probably a really good guy.

00:59:36.720 He probably said it for his own reasons at the moment, trying to do whatever he was trying

00:59:40.340 to do.

00:59:41.060 He probably wishes he could take it back.

00:59:42.360 I'm sure.

00:59:42.760 Right.

00:59:42.980 But he actually is coming on my podcast.

00:59:45.980 Oh, wow.

00:59:46.680 Someone reached out to him.

00:59:48.040 So he'll be on soon.

00:59:49.200 Yeah.

00:59:49.560 So I have nothing against Grant.

00:59:51.020 But if you had to fight him though, how are you going to sell that fight?

00:59:53.280 Well, I said he did a good, he created controversy like we actually hate each other.

00:59:56.320 I'd play up the fact that there's just tremendous fucking hatred and one of us is not leaving

01:00:01.020 this ring alive.

01:00:02.060 Someone's going to call the fucking ambulance, call the fucking national fucking Don because

01:00:07.800 I promise you, I am fucking training for this shit.

01:00:10.120 With my last fucking dying breath, you are not leaving this fucking ring alive.

01:00:14.140 Like that sort of thing.

01:00:16.060 And he'd be like, yeah, you're already fucking dead.

01:00:18.320 I already have your fucking death.

01:00:19.580 I've been training with fucking Hoist Gracie.

01:00:21.680 Think of you.

01:00:24.140 Do you, is there, you know, they have this fight out there that Tom Cruise and Justin Bieber

01:00:29.380 may fight.

01:00:29.980 Did you see this?

01:00:30.680 Yeah, I think that was a joke though.

01:00:32.080 So Justin Bieber said that Tom Cruise would kick his ass, right?

01:00:34.780 Which I'm sure is true, but I think Justin Bieber is pretty cool, by the way.

01:00:37.920 Right.

01:00:38.220 He gets a bad rap.

01:00:39.280 I think he's a cool guy, right?

01:00:40.100 Right.

01:00:40.220 No, I think he, I think he, yeah, I think he seems like a neat, he seems like a, like

01:00:43.060 a special dude.

01:00:43.280 I think Tom Cruise would kick his ass.

01:00:44.760 He does all his own fucking stunts.

01:00:45.800 Do you?

01:00:46.480 Dude, plus, you know, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, right?

01:00:48.780 Right.

01:00:49.000 So is Grant.

01:00:50.600 Oh, Grant Cardone.

01:00:51.100 They're fucking, they're fucking, like, I might, if I, this, I might just die, I might just disappear

01:00:55.240 or something if it like, if it went the wrong way, that fight.

01:01:00.680 Shit on my lawn, let him win, you know.

01:01:03.440 But what if Tom Cruise and Justin Bieber fought him, man?

01:01:05.780 I think Tom Cruise would kill him.

01:01:06.920 You do?

01:01:07.500 Yeah.

01:01:08.040 Oh, wow.

01:01:08.580 I think Justin Bieber thinks so, too.

01:01:10.460 Oh, I think Bieber, I think Bieber could, I think Justin could take him, probably.

01:01:14.160 Really?

01:01:14.540 Yeah.

01:01:14.960 Bieber said.

01:01:15.640 Because Justin has that, I mean, you got to think if he's, what, 25 years old?

01:01:19.240 I understand.

01:01:19.720 I know, but as Justin said, he's got that dad strength.

01:01:23.000 Right.

01:01:23.220 That's what Justin's, and then also, he does all his own stunts.

01:01:25.960 He's fucking pretty built, Tom Cruise.

01:01:27.820 Yeah.

01:01:28.240 I always wondered this.

01:01:29.460 Do you think any of that shit is true?

01:01:32.100 Does any of it carry into real life?

01:01:33.940 When these guys train for the fucking shit, when they, like, where they could do all this,

01:01:37.180 or.

01:01:37.780 Right.

01:01:38.120 Are they just doing it for two weeks and then who knows?

01:01:40.100 Right.

01:01:40.400 We don't know.

01:01:40.880 No, but like, I bet you some of them become proficient at it.

01:01:44.300 Because you capped it, they train, they'll put you with like a top Navy SEAL or a guy with

01:01:48.260 Krav Magra.

01:01:49.220 So it's not like, you know, when you go in and in that situation, it's not going to be where

01:01:52.860 you're just going to leave without any skills.

01:01:54.560 Right.

01:01:54.620 And if you're the sort of person that just, hey, I like that shit, I'm going to actually keep

01:01:56.900 doing that.

01:01:57.400 I'm going to keep doing it.

01:01:57.800 I bet, you know, a lot of those guys ended up becoming experts.

01:02:01.060 Well, I just wonder how long that training is, how proficient people are in it, you

01:02:04.760 know?

01:02:04.820 I know in some cases it's fucking long and very proficient.

01:02:07.560 I think like, for instance, I'll give you an example.

01:02:08.900 Like, I read an article recently about, in Saving Private Ryan, Steven Spielberg made

01:02:14.160 every actor go through fucking boot camp, like the most hard, disgusting, freezing cold, hellish

01:02:21.520 boot camp.

01:02:22.120 And every actor, including Vin Diesel himself, said, I, they all made a petition that, fuck

01:02:27.560 it, we're out.

01:02:28.620 Except for one actor who said, you pussies, you stay.

01:02:31.420 You know what it was?

01:02:32.220 Tom Hanks.

01:02:33.500 Really?

01:02:33.920 And they were like, fuck, if Tom Hanks, the fucking number one great, great actor, we

01:02:39.360 are pussies.

01:02:39.960 And they all fucking stayed.

01:02:40.680 He's going to stay in.

01:02:41.060 And he stayed, Tom Hanks got them all to stay.

01:02:42.800 And they all said it was the best experience of their life.

01:02:44.900 Wow.

01:02:45.300 I always respected Tom Hanks a lot after that one.

01:02:47.480 Yeah.

01:02:48.260 Yeah.

01:02:48.620 Do you think, like, having spent time in Hollywood and stuff now, do you find that, do you think

01:02:52.300 Hollywood is like the biggest shit salesman of them all?

01:02:55.380 In what sense?

01:02:56.380 Just like, I mean, they just use, I mean, it's just, it's so unreal a lot of times.

01:03:03.540 I think when Hollywood gets it right, they really get it right.

01:03:06.020 And I think when they get it wrong, they really get it wrong.

01:03:08.060 And I think that they're also in a situation where there's such a voracious appetite for content

01:03:13.880 that by default, you're going to be really wrong a lot.

01:03:16.520 Because you end up with this lowest common denominator of content.

01:03:20.140 You just have to keep punching out content.

01:03:21.500 It almost becomes, like, how much shit can we throw against the wall to get a hit?

01:03:26.040 And I think that, and that's almost like when Netflix, they'll invest in a lot of stuff

01:03:29.120 and then just, you know, one thing, bam, then we'll keep, you know, that's why they have

01:03:32.580 one season of pilots or one season and they'll do a short thing.

01:03:35.940 If people like it, then they'll expand on it.

01:03:37.600 But I don't think there's anything fundamental.

01:03:39.000 I don't think, listen, I don't think Hollywood attracts the smartest people.

01:03:43.300 In other words, I think they attract the most creative people.

01:03:46.520 They attract dreamers, create, yeah.

01:03:47.960 All levels.

01:03:48.780 But I don't think it's necessarily the smartest people and the greatest salespeople.

01:03:53.420 The great companies, the sustainable, they will bring in, people will grade at that and

01:03:57.840 make sure they don't put the wrong guy running the studio.

01:04:00.880 That's so the ones that do great.

01:04:02.300 Like this guy, Kevin Feige from, you're running the whole Marvel.

01:04:06.400 I never met.

01:04:06.840 The guy's a fucking genius.

01:04:08.180 He has to be.

01:04:09.080 Because you could not have that level of success and not be a genius at what you're doing.

01:04:13.040 Do you think that in looking back and meeting different like CEOs and people that are running

01:04:16.820 different groups or the people that are successful, at a certain point, there's, you know, it's

01:04:23.860 not just luck, you don't think.

01:04:24.980 I don't think it's ever luck.

01:04:26.980 I don't think it's ever luck for sustainable situations.

01:04:31.000 Anyone can get lucky for a short period of time.

01:04:32.660 So when it's sustainable, I just did a, you know, Logan Paul kid, right?

01:04:37.180 People would say, oh, he's no dummy there.

01:04:39.600 He's a smart, he's a smart kid.

01:04:42.200 And when you really talk to him, okay, you'll see the strategy.

01:04:46.780 So yeah, anyone could go on and do a couple of backflips and crazy shit.

01:04:50.380 But when you really sit down and talk to people who are really killing it, it's very like,

01:04:54.960 you know, you think Kim Kardashian is stupid?

01:04:56.840 She's fucking brilliant.

01:04:57.960 How could you not be and stay on, stay relevant for that long?

01:05:00.800 Right.

01:05:01.340 Anyone could get it once, but sustainable, you got to be smart.

01:05:04.420 Yeah.

01:05:04.780 And hardworking.

01:05:06.140 We got a question that's right here.

01:05:08.300 Let's check this out.

01:05:09.980 What up, Dio?

01:05:10.820 What up, Jordan?

01:05:11.580 Gang, gang.

01:05:12.240 Just a quick question for Jordan.

01:05:14.320 Were there any, like, fallacies in the movie that you wish wouldn't have made it in there?

01:05:18.780 Or on the flip side, if you want to go the other direction, is there anything that you

01:05:22.380 guys might have got into in real life that couldn't make it into the movie because of,

01:05:26.140 you know, Hollywood rules?

01:05:28.140 So on the first one, there was a couple of things in there, obviously, right?

01:05:33.420 Like that, you know, there's a scene where I punched my wife in the stomach and never,

01:05:38.200 I never lifted a hand to my wife like that in one violence.

01:05:41.360 Did you ever shake her a little, probably?

01:05:42.500 Yeah, no, so yeah, we had one, my last, I got sober, we were on the stairs and I kicked

01:05:45.960 out while she was trying to stop me from, like, killing myself.

01:05:48.460 I was, you know, overdosing, right?

01:05:50.420 But it wasn't like I turned around and went, walk.

01:05:52.080 It was, and it's a very different thing.

01:05:53.780 Very different.

01:05:54.140 So in fact, when we took, I'm not saying the first one was good, but it's not the

01:05:57.540 same thing, right?

01:05:58.120 It's not the same thing.

01:05:58.580 And when the movie came out, we, my ex-wife, we and I, we took our kids together to see

01:06:02.400 the film and we said, listen, this is not true.

01:06:04.860 We never did that.

01:06:05.280 This is true.

01:06:05.820 We did this as well.

01:06:06.720 So we just told our kids what was there, you know, what was true, what was not true.

01:06:09.860 That was one thing that viscerally bothered me because I would never do that.

01:06:13.380 Um, I think that the biggest thing that happened there that was untrue, that was problematic

01:06:20.460 for me in terms of like the message it sent, there's two things.

01:06:23.860 One was that there's a scene when I walk into that little firm and it's like a dilapidated

01:06:29.040 hole in the wall and, and there's obviously something wrong there.

01:06:32.980 And Leo, as me, looks at the match goes, is this, is this legal?

01:06:36.840 And the guy goes, well, you know, you think that's not what they said to me.

01:06:41.560 They said, of course it's legal.

01:06:44.040 I mean, if someone had said to me, well, I'd run out the door.

01:06:47.040 And I think the reason that bothers me is because I think it's important that people understand

01:06:50.420 that today for kids that are just going out into the workforce, just because a company

01:06:55.960 is operating somewhere doesn't mean it's legal.

01:06:59.180 In other words, there's all these companies out there, small amount, but many out there

01:07:03.360 that are totally doing the wrong thing, ripping people off.

01:07:06.240 And they'll say to you, oh yeah, it's totally dirty people.

01:07:08.500 You got to, you got to use your own fucking gut and say that something doesn't add up

01:07:12.080 and then, you know, check it out further.

01:07:13.940 But it wasn't like someone just said to me like, you know, oh yeah, it's, it's perfect.

01:07:18.060 They were like, they said it was like perfect, not like, you know, well, you know, I'd run

01:07:21.800 out.

01:07:22.020 So that was one thing.

01:07:23.040 Another thing was, um, you know, the way it was like that I walked in, like I was a

01:07:27.240 lily white sort of, you know, great guy.

01:07:29.200 And then the next scene I'm snorting coconut strip club.

01:07:31.340 That didn't happen.

01:07:32.100 It took two years.

01:07:32.940 I understand why Scorsese did it.

01:07:34.540 You know, this time collapsed, but I think it would have been even better to show my

01:07:37.780 slow descent.

01:07:39.220 So those are some of the things, you know, do you miss, uh, like strippers and stuff

01:07:43.460 like that or that type of environment or do you feel like you probably got all of it?

01:07:47.160 You could, huh?

01:07:47.620 Got my fill.

01:07:48.620 Thank God.

01:07:49.420 Oh yeah.

01:07:49.840 I mean, I got my fill and, uh, my life is so much better now.

01:07:54.480 Yeah.

01:07:55.200 Who was the greatest stripper you ever met?

01:07:57.140 You think?

01:07:58.180 Well, you know, it was one, I would say the greatest.

01:08:00.020 There's one stripper I tried to marry after, like when, as I was overdosing and I went

01:08:04.540 down to Florida and I was right before they put me in the loop.

01:08:07.680 Tampa or not?

01:08:08.620 It was my, it was Delray beach area.

01:08:11.480 Oh yeah.

01:08:12.180 All right.

01:08:12.820 I think it was solid gold.

01:08:13.940 A lot of lizards around there.

01:08:14.500 Her name is Blaze.

01:08:15.780 And, and I, I didn't even know this, but I, I actually put her on the phone with my mother.

01:08:20.620 So I want you to meet my new wife, please.

01:08:22.580 And she's like, hi, hi, Mrs. Belafloria.

01:08:24.740 And I didn't remember until I wrote the book.

01:08:26.700 I sent my mother the chappers.

01:08:27.800 She's a really great reader, you know, writer.

01:08:30.200 So she was analyzing my pages and she's like, honey, you forgot about Blaze who you put on.

01:08:34.300 I'm like, really?

01:08:35.700 I'm like, oh man.

01:08:36.620 You didn't even remember, huh?

01:08:37.500 Blaze was hot.

01:08:38.260 Now then once I remembered, then I started to remember.

01:08:39.800 Yeah.

01:08:40.100 And what is it like, what kind of, what, what kind of woman really gets you, you think?

01:08:43.520 Do you think what kind of woman is really your type of woman?

01:08:45.980 My current wife is my, is the best.

01:08:48.320 Great answer.

01:08:48.800 She's it.

01:08:49.180 She's not, she's great.

01:08:49.820 She's like, she's gorgeous.

01:08:52.060 Where'd you meet her?

01:08:53.440 Soccer mom.

01:08:54.020 Oh, really?

01:08:55.040 On the field.

01:08:55.300 Yeah.

01:08:55.660 Were you betting on the games?

01:08:56.860 I was.

01:08:57.280 It was my kid's game.

01:08:59.360 Have you ever bet on your child's game?

01:09:01.060 No, but I was like almost thrown off the field a bunch of times for like, fucking goalie's

01:09:05.160 a hologram.

01:09:05.780 Get him off the fucking field.

01:09:07.040 My son was a good soccer player and some of the parents are the worst, we're the worst

01:09:10.200 sports ever.

01:09:10.880 It's just, it's as bad as it is.

01:09:12.920 They make that in the movies, it looks like it's just bad on the field.

01:09:15.760 Did you start to look forward more to being a parent on the side of like, it's also.

01:09:18.500 It was my favorite thing in the world to watch my kids play soccer.

01:09:22.600 I would get so emotionally invested.

01:09:24.880 I'm like, fuck it.

01:09:25.540 What's wrong with this?

01:09:26.220 It's going to be suck.

01:09:26.820 It was like, I was, I was terrible.

01:09:28.740 And, and half of the other parents were just as bad.

01:09:31.060 Wow.

01:09:31.380 But me with my New York accent, it's like, it was just really, and my ex-wife was just

01:09:35.360 as bad, you know, get my titty twister, get my titty, it got really vicious and soccer

01:09:41.740 is like that.

01:09:42.720 Soccer is the most vicious sport for parents because it's fast moving.

01:09:46.380 There's no fucking, it's, it's, I've seen parents, I shit you not, I've watched a father,

01:09:54.240 okay, tackle a girl that was running, a five-year-old girl about to score, running out and tackling

01:09:59.940 the girl and getting the, taking away in handcuffs.

01:10:02.320 So he ran, because his daughter was the goalie and this one superstar was like five or six

01:10:07.440 was about to score for like the eighth time.

01:10:09.220 He ran on and tackled her.

01:10:10.820 Hell yeah.

01:10:11.480 Yeah.

01:10:12.120 I love that, dude.

01:10:13.080 We need that kind of stuff.

01:10:13.880 And here's a young fella.

01:10:15.640 Real quickly, how old are your kids now and what are they doing?

01:10:18.880 Daughter is 25.

01:10:20.600 Oh, wow.

01:10:21.520 Just graduated grad school and NYU grad school.

01:10:24.260 She's a psychologist.

01:10:25.380 She's getting a master's and, but she's taught to practice psychology now in the city,

01:10:28.860 in New York and she's awesome.

01:10:31.280 She's brilliant.

01:10:31.740 She graduated like top of her class, 3.9 average.

01:10:35.080 My middle son, Carter, okay, he's a rapper.

01:10:38.320 Just, he's an unbelievably brilliant rapper.

01:10:40.480 Okay.

01:10:40.960 Stuff's amazing.

01:10:41.840 He's a poet and he's going to be more famous than I ever was.

01:10:44.820 And my youngest son, Bowen, works with me.

01:10:47.800 Bowen is his name?

01:10:48.620 Bowen.

01:10:48.980 Bowen.

01:10:49.300 Yeah.

01:10:49.420 Bowen.

01:10:49.740 Bowen.

01:10:49.800 Bowen.

01:10:49.860 Bowen.

01:10:49.940 Bowen.

01:10:49.980 Bowen runs like my, he runs a lot of my business and he's an amazing businessman.

01:10:54.500 He's 22.

01:10:55.320 He just kills it.

01:10:57.080 My daughter might be 26 now, actually.

01:10:58.360 She's 26.

01:10:59.340 And did, um.

01:11:00.180 Fuck, my daughter's tall.

01:11:00.940 I'm like, I'm so old.

01:11:02.000 She's 26.

01:11:02.720 She's 95.

01:11:03.340 We're getting older fast, huh?

01:11:04.560 She's 26.

01:11:05.580 Oh, no, she's 25.

01:11:06.540 She's about to turn 26.

01:11:07.860 Yeah.

01:11:08.320 And are, uh, are your children married or no?

01:11:11.580 My daughter will probably be the first.

01:11:15.480 Yeah.

01:11:15.740 I, I shouldn't say it, but my, I can't say it.

01:11:18.520 Anyway, let's go.

01:11:19.340 Is he a nice guy?

01:11:20.100 Oh, he's wonderful.

01:11:20.860 I love him.

01:11:21.340 Yeah.

01:11:21.440 Yes.

01:11:21.940 Have you, she had boyfriends that you weren't into?

01:11:24.880 One.

01:11:25.720 One.

01:11:26.080 He was just, he was a bit, my daughter's beautiful.

01:11:28.420 Very pretty.

01:11:29.200 And the sweetest child.

01:11:31.080 Like, she just always was the best.

01:11:32.500 Everyone loves my daughter.

01:11:34.320 She's a great grandchild.

01:11:35.640 She's a great friend.

01:11:36.580 She's really just a wonderful person.

01:11:38.820 And she had one guy that just was a little bit too self-important for my, but she's always

01:11:42.900 chosen some, you know, good guys.

01:11:44.860 Do you think that ever, anybody ever dated your children to try to get close to you, to

01:11:48.420 meet you or to?

01:11:49.900 You know, I think my, um, my, my kids, my, I have them.

01:11:54.300 My boys probably use it to their advantage when they can.

01:11:56.520 Yeah.

01:11:56.760 My daughter was never in short supply of guys that wanted to date her.

01:11:59.940 So I would think it would just be a long line.

01:12:01.900 Like I'm a wolf cub of wall street.

01:12:03.740 Yeah.

01:12:03.840 Yeah.

01:12:04.100 Yeah.

01:12:04.320 Yeah.

01:12:04.720 She's, well, she, I think she had some issues for a very short time.

01:12:07.400 She was single.

01:12:08.100 And I think she had a couple of times where she made the mistake of actually, cause the

01:12:12.260 guy was a good looking guy.

01:12:13.100 She, maybe she went out on a date with someone that turned out to just was like, oh, she was

01:12:16.740 a conquest cause she was my daughter or something like that, you know, but she learned pretty

01:12:19.520 quickly.

01:12:21.320 Oh, let's take this question from this young man or woman.

01:12:25.560 What's up, Theo?

01:12:26.620 What's up, Mr. Belfort?

01:12:27.880 I got a question for you.

01:12:29.180 If both of you were in your prime Coke consumption days, how long would an ounce of Coke last if

01:12:34.000 it were set in front of you right now?

01:12:36.420 I was good for seven grams a day.

01:12:38.760 So how, what were you good for?

01:12:40.520 I don't know how much an ounce is, dude, but I can't.

01:12:42.200 I'm talking snorting it, not smoking it.

01:12:43.600 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:44.320 I would never smoke it.

01:12:44.980 That's terrible, yeah.

01:12:45.640 I would say probably.

01:12:47.500 28 grams in an ounce.

01:12:48.320 There's 28 grams in an ounce?

01:12:49.440 Yeah.

01:12:50.440 So how much is an ounce like if it's in this?

01:12:52.480 It's like a, it's like all those plastic baggies like this much in a plastic baggie.

01:12:56.080 Okay.

01:12:56.460 So plastic baggie like that?

01:12:57.740 No, like this.

01:12:58.480 Like, you know, like a sandwich bag?

01:12:59.660 And it's full?

01:13:00.660 No, it's like this, like this.

01:13:01.760 About a half inch full or something?

01:13:02.860 Yeah.

01:13:03.060 Like it weighs an ounce.

01:13:04.240 Right.

01:13:04.860 It weighs an ounce.

01:13:08.100 How long would an ounce last me?

01:13:10.640 Jesus Christ, dude.

01:13:12.180 I would probably, if I was really enjoying myself or it was like kind of a festive time

01:13:17.000 of year, I would say maybe, I don't know, probably two days maybe.

01:13:26.980 So 14 grams a day, really?

01:13:28.660 I mean, this was like on a weekend.

01:13:30.080 I wasn't doing like a.

01:13:31.120 By yourself?

01:13:32.040 That's a lot of coke.

01:13:32.820 I mean, I would, yeah.

01:13:33.780 I mean, I would probably be close to dying.

01:13:35.140 I would be laying in bed with ice.

01:13:36.460 Do you have any holes in your nose at all?

01:13:38.900 No, dude.

01:13:39.480 I just have a, I have a lot of space in my nose for coke.

01:13:42.460 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:43.040 I have a little bit of extra space myself.

01:13:44.680 Yeah.

01:13:45.420 Dude, what did you make?

01:13:46.100 That shit don't grow back either.

01:13:47.140 Bro, the craziest part about doing coke was just like.

01:13:52.640 Did it make you into a sexual deviant?

01:13:55.160 It made me, I would just kind of touch myself and look at the internet.

01:13:58.800 And then I couldn't get an erection.

01:14:00.120 And then sometimes I would like.

01:14:01.700 No one could get an erection except you have one man.

01:14:03.600 What was his name?

01:14:04.060 Sam Tripoli.

01:14:04.600 Sam Tripoli's a fucking legend.

01:14:05.740 Oh, bro, he used to get paid to travel around town on coke and fuck people.

01:14:08.540 I can imagine because it's an amazing thing, by the way.

01:14:10.940 4 a.m. he would do his best work.

01:14:12.500 This guy, he should be studied by fucking scientists when he just cut open his penis

01:14:16.140 and his fucking blood system down there and figure out what the fuck is wrong with it,

01:14:19.120 you know?

01:14:20.120 Did you ever tie anything to the sides of your wiener whenever you were high to try and

01:14:24.520 continue to have sex or to prop your penis up?

01:14:26.980 Who would try to do that?

01:14:27.860 Why only when I'm high?

01:14:29.300 Well, I mean, I just think because when you're high, if you're actually.

01:14:31.440 Yeah, but why not do it when you're straight too?

01:14:32.800 Well, yeah, because then you're going to be able to keep your wiener up.

01:14:35.060 Yeah, but still, I've done everything.

01:14:36.840 I'm a fucking sick fuck.

01:14:37.880 Yeah.

01:14:38.820 And anyone who denies being a sick fuck, I think you're full of shit.

01:14:41.880 Human beings are depraved animals, especially human males, okay?

01:14:45.560 I'm just bold enough to admit I'm a depraved animal, okay?

01:14:48.760 Yeah.

01:14:49.240 No, I'm depraved, bro.

01:14:49.600 On and off coke.

01:14:50.700 Just off cocaine, I would never, ever cheat on my wife.

01:14:54.740 I never would.

01:14:55.580 And I would, when I'm on coke, who knows what?

01:14:57.480 I wouldn't say, I won't do it because it makes me.

01:14:59.140 Oh, I'll cheat on this plan.

01:14:59.880 On the plan, it makes me a depraved fucking lunatic, you know?

01:15:02.260 Oh, cocaine, I'll get a fuck.

01:15:03.460 And the dirtier, the better.

01:15:04.640 The more disgusting, the better.

01:15:05.860 Oh, yeah.

01:15:06.780 Oh, dude, I, yeah.

01:15:09.900 Yeah, you know, something's the best left unsaid because, I mean, you know, I mean,

01:15:13.960 listen, you know, I have the benefit of having a movie that's basically desensitized the world.

01:15:19.700 That's a good point.

01:15:20.000 That's what I'm possibly capable of, right?

01:15:22.380 But even still, there were some things, and one of the questions they did leave out of

01:15:25.580 the movie was the bachelor party.

01:15:27.060 The level of depravity was just so extreme that, you know, I think people were still missing

01:15:31.700 from, like, 20 years ago.

01:15:33.160 And they had a lot more bush and stuff back then, too, didn't they?

01:15:36.340 They did.

01:15:36.760 A lot of women.

01:15:37.400 They did.

01:15:38.200 And I prefer a little bit myself.

01:15:39.920 Yeah.

01:15:40.060 I don't think, I don't like the whole, you know, shave completely thing.

01:15:43.280 I feel like I'm, like, robbing the cradle or something.

01:15:45.300 Yeah, you feel like a pedophile.

01:15:46.460 Yeah.

01:15:46.820 So it's a little shady.

01:15:48.280 A little bit, yeah.

01:15:48.840 Now, what about this?

01:15:50.040 Do you, do you see guys out there today, do you get jealous of, like, kind of the younger

01:15:55.540 generation, like, when it comes to, like, dating and their opportunities for, like, dating

01:15:59.340 on apps and stuff like that?

01:16:00.620 You know, it's a good question.

01:16:01.640 I think it's a mixed, on some level, I can imagine, like, fuck, all this shit online.

01:16:06.980 But, you know, it kind of sucks that you can't go to a bar anymore.

01:16:09.360 My friend, everyone's scared to get, like, in trouble or Me Too'd or, that's fucked up.

01:16:13.840 You know, I mean, like, I've had, my son's friends, like, he got Me Too'd.

01:16:17.960 He almost lost, he almost got thrown out of, uh, out of, um, Stanford for that, for a girl.

01:16:21.960 And he was totally, it was bullshit.

01:16:23.480 And, and thankfully he got, you know, it got righted.

01:16:26.100 But it's dangerous out there for kids.

01:16:27.620 They can't, you can't, like, used to be the best place to meet a girl was in the workplace.

01:16:32.140 Yeah.

01:16:32.820 And that was it.

01:16:33.360 And people would fall in love.

01:16:34.500 And my wife always says that she loved it.

01:16:36.300 Because when she was, my wife's not young.

01:16:38.180 She's, you know, she's 52, right?

01:16:39.620 She's, she's the most beautiful two-year-old you ever met, right?

01:16:42.960 She sounds hot to me, dude.

01:16:43.880 She's hot.

01:16:44.560 And, and she.

01:16:45.300 I would meet her if you passed, you know?

01:16:47.240 Yeah, you and half of the town, right?

01:16:49.180 And.

01:16:49.320 Would you let me take her on a date if you passed away?

01:16:51.300 Um, I would let her.

01:16:52.740 I'm a nice guy.

01:16:53.420 All, all I would want her was to be happy.

01:16:55.340 Yeah.

01:16:55.600 That's all I'd want for her is if I passed away, okay?

01:16:57.500 But I don't think she would because she's, she's not, she's very, she's like an indoor

01:17:01.080 cat.

01:17:01.740 Yeah.

01:17:02.440 You know what I mean?

01:17:02.840 She's not, she's the sort of person that she likes to be alone more than be with other

01:17:06.500 people.

01:17:06.860 Well, she knows, for example, you would be, you have to remarry because you just can't

01:17:10.620 be alone.

01:17:11.340 I don't know if that's true, but it's partially true.

01:17:13.240 Yeah.

01:17:13.440 Um.

01:17:13.840 I won't do it.

01:17:14.700 I mean, I won't, I won't even try to talk to her.

01:17:16.420 Dude, you can do whatever you want, man.

01:17:17.600 Well, I'm not going to do anything.

01:17:18.480 I don't know why I even said this.

01:17:19.620 This is fucking awkward.

01:17:20.080 But hopefully, no, but if I pass, are you married?

01:17:22.520 Uh-uh.

01:17:22.980 You're not.

01:17:23.280 Have you ever been married?

01:17:24.200 Uh-uh.

01:17:24.440 Do you have any kids?

01:17:25.120 Uh-uh.

01:17:25.600 Really?

01:17:25.980 How old are you?

01:17:26.460 I'm 39.

01:17:27.800 Fuck.

01:17:28.240 So I'm an adult, but I don't think.

01:17:30.140 Are you shooting blanks?

01:17:30.820 Oh, no.

01:17:31.640 I don't think so.

01:17:32.700 I just haven't really tried to get the kid yet.

01:17:34.940 You know, I think about it.

01:17:36.220 I just, you know, just have a lot of work to do still.

01:17:39.200 I feel like, I still feel a little bit unsettled, maybe.

01:17:42.060 A little bit?

01:17:42.640 You know, yeah.

01:17:43.420 You can get your shit together.

01:17:44.780 Yeah, I think it's coming along.

01:17:46.160 We're getting close, you know?

01:17:47.220 Sometimes I feel, I can feel a kid in the back of my nuts.

01:17:49.640 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:51.320 Aching to come out and show himself.

01:17:52.860 I get it.

01:17:53.440 Yeah.

01:17:54.740 Let's get some more questions that came in.

01:17:56.280 Nick?

01:17:56.600 Yeah, we had some Patreon questions, too.

01:17:58.780 The what?

01:17:59.300 Some Patreon questions.

01:18:01.420 So these are just written ones from the fans.

01:18:05.760 Young P says, what did friends and family that you know more personally have to say about the movie?

01:18:10.380 Did they think Leo did it justice, or was he off?

01:18:13.980 Oh, people generally love the movie and the portrayal.

01:18:17.860 So, yeah, I would find, you know, some people, oh, you were even better on this because they probably want to ingratiate themselves.

01:18:23.840 Yeah, Leo did an amazing job.

01:18:25.300 He should have won an Academy Award for it.

01:18:26.780 Yeah, I can't believe that he didn't.

01:18:28.140 Do people then think you were in other movies, too?

01:18:30.380 Like, they're like, I saw that movie.

01:18:32.860 What's the one where he's the airline pilot?

01:18:36.200 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:18:36.760 Cash Review Kim?

01:18:37.380 Yeah, does he think, like, are they sometimes like, oh, wow, I saw you in that movie where you get busted for the airline?

01:18:43.160 Last week, I was in Australia, right?

01:18:52.100 And my son was graduating from college.

01:18:54.780 He went to college in Australia, right?

01:18:55.860 We all flew down there.

01:18:57.700 And I get into a cab, and there's a woman, the woman in the cab, she's a lady.

01:19:02.840 It's an Uber.

01:19:03.940 She's got to be, you know, late 50s, and she's wearing, like, a sleeveless muumuu type, and she's got the extra speed bag on the back of arms.

01:19:12.300 That sort of, like, doesn't look to really have her shit together in that deeper level.

01:19:16.860 Like, she's probably on the, on, like, you know, I would say on the frickin' Stanford Binet IQ test, she probably was scoring just over 65.

01:19:23.840 I'm guessing.

01:19:24.300 Okay.

01:19:24.760 The looks can be the scene.

01:19:25.700 She could have been a rocket slice.

01:19:26.500 Until, about three minutes into the trip, she turns, she looks at me, she goes, are you famous or something?

01:19:33.520 And my son's like, yeah, he's very famous.

01:19:35.060 And she's like, I knew it.

01:19:36.940 She goes, what are you famous for?

01:19:39.460 And my son goes, and he's like, oh, she was in a movie, The Wolf Fall.

01:19:43.300 What?

01:19:43.900 And, and she, finally, I said, no, Leo DiCaprio, 20 minutes later, she goes, the wolf of who?

01:19:51.880 The Leo?

01:19:52.420 I'm like, Titanic?

01:19:53.660 Do you know him?

01:19:54.140 Oh, yeah.

01:19:56.760 So, and she couldn't quite grasp the concept.

01:19:59.540 Just a Muppet, huh?

01:20:00.560 It's really unbelievable.

01:20:02.120 I could, we all, it was the three of us, we walked up, was that, did that just happen?

01:20:06.280 Like, we couldn't quite, can I have your phone number?

01:20:09.400 Really?

01:20:09.960 Oh, she might have been on drugs, brother.

01:20:10.700 I'm like, yeah, it's 1-800-Dial-A-Joke, you know?

01:20:12.140 And she was sweet about it, but it was, like, really odd.

01:20:15.760 It was, like, she couldn't quite put together the whole thing that I wrote a book that became

01:20:21.580 a movie, and the most famous movie star chose to play this thing.

01:20:25.780 I'm not a movie star.

01:20:27.800 I'm, she couldn't catch that.

01:20:29.840 You know, I think that I, I appreciate my fans more than anybody.

01:20:35.340 So, I can't understand how you could possibly be famous, be outdoors, and someone asks you

01:20:42.580 for a picture, and you say, no.

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.540 I can't understand how you could, I would take a picture with anyone, because without

01:20:48.940 your fans, you're nothing.

01:20:50.480 Right.

01:20:50.740 I don't get that.

01:20:51.700 Right.

01:20:52.180 And, no matter how often, no matter how shitty I feel, even if in a rush, you know, walk with

01:20:56.980 me, okay?

01:20:57.620 I never refuse anyone a picture, because I think it's fucked up.

01:21:02.620 It's like, without the people to love you, or to respect you, you're nothing.

01:21:06.220 Right.

01:21:06.540 Right?

01:21:07.320 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:21:08.300 I'm just wondering, you know, like.

01:21:09.440 Everyone knows, everyone knows it's me, like the wolf, it's a very clear, like, association

01:21:14.260 that that's what it's about.

01:21:15.980 Right.

01:21:16.980 Do you feel like you're famous for being a crook ever?

01:21:22.640 Do you ever feel that?

01:21:23.520 I think that in my, in my earlier days, like, if someone had asked me that question, well,

01:21:29.980 you probably have no agenda for asking that to me.

01:21:32.180 You really want to know how I feel inside, right?

01:21:34.280 It would be easy for me in the early days of this journey to feel, to have someone say

01:21:38.720 I didn't feel bad for five weeks about that.

01:21:41.020 I'm like, fuck, people think I'm a crook, right?

01:21:42.340 Yeah, I don't mean to.

01:21:43.020 I know you don't.

01:21:43.580 I know you don't.

01:21:44.100 I know you don't.

01:21:44.680 100%.

01:21:45.040 You're just not that sort of person, right?

01:21:46.740 It's a good question.

01:21:48.240 The answer is, probably some people do, and I feel bad for those people, because it's

01:21:54.980 so much more than that.

01:21:56.300 It's like so much more complex, and that's really just, really not even giving Scorsese-ly,

01:22:02.160 or life itself, a good enough look about what really happened.

01:22:05.860 So it's really about how those people view it.

01:22:09.180 Listen, everything in life is just, it is what it is, and the meaning that we apply to

01:22:15.600 something gives us our beliefs about that situation.

01:22:18.660 If you're that fucking myopic, that's your, good luck going through life, because that's

01:22:24.040 probably your view on everything, that it's all black and white.

01:22:26.780 Do you feel like you robbed from the, do you ever feel like if you robbed from the rich

01:22:32.100 and gave it to the poor, do you ever feel like that?

01:22:35.240 I never, I never was, I never was deluded to think that it was right.

01:22:39.180 Right.

01:22:39.700 Okay?

01:22:40.100 I clearly had 1,000% justified that they're rich, so it's okay.

01:22:45.580 Right.

01:22:45.900 It's not okay.

01:22:47.100 Right.

01:22:47.280 It's just not okay.

01:22:48.200 But that was the rationalization.

01:22:49.840 I justify that sometimes in my head.

01:22:51.240 Yeah, you do, but it's not, it's not right, but, but you certainly, it's certainly, but

01:22:54.340 by the way, again, there's no absolute right or wrong.

01:22:57.120 On the scale of wrongness, taking a poor person's last dollars is like the worst fucking crime

01:23:02.980 you could commit.

01:23:04.440 A guy who's worth 50 million and he loses 200 grand, that guy's going to recover and probably

01:23:08.520 should learn his lesson.

01:23:09.960 I, I, not to make it right.

01:23:11.420 Right.

01:23:11.600 But they're very different things.

01:23:12.920 They're very different.

01:23:13.440 And that's, and I, and I hung on that rules, I hung on that rationalization for all it's

01:23:17.440 worth to keep living my life while I was doing it.

01:23:19.540 Yeah.

01:23:20.240 Well, I'm sure at some point you probably couldn't stop, huh?

01:23:23.740 Well, yes, but not for the reasons you might think.

01:23:26.240 There was at a certain point, you almost, you, not that you lose sense of right and wrong,

01:23:31.860 but your line of morality moves so profoundly, like the things that you would once think were

01:23:37.820 terrible, no longer, everything becomes gray.

01:23:39.920 And then you're like, feel like it was many times I felt like almost I was on this ship

01:23:44.220 that had sailed and I was like a passenger in a journey in my own life and no longer

01:23:47.940 in power, my own decisions.

01:23:49.160 That's a cop out, but I felt like that.

01:23:50.820 I really did feel like that some months.

01:23:52.320 Do you ever throw like a bunch of money off a mountain or anything like that?

01:23:55.040 More than that.

01:23:55.720 I've, I've probably launched 10,000 on one July 4th, we took a stack of hundreds of 10,000

01:24:01.160 and launched it into the ocean on bottle rockets to celebrate July 4th.

01:24:04.780 110,000?

01:24:05.780 No, 10,000 and hundreds.

01:24:07.160 I just for no fucking reason launched money into the ocean.

01:24:09.580 Yeah.

01:24:09.760 Yeah.

01:24:10.500 Damn.

01:24:11.940 I'd like to have that money back now.

01:24:13.360 Yeah.

01:24:13.700 Wouldn't you?

01:24:14.080 I mean, why not, right?

01:24:15.940 I mean, yeah.

01:24:16.400 Look, I'm gonna keep the faucet running around here.

01:24:17.940 I don't think we're that far from the beach.

01:24:19.860 Do you, what type of savings do you have now?

01:24:24.220 Do you have, did you save money away?

01:24:26.220 Everything I had, I gave back and started again.

01:24:28.300 Now I'm thankful I'm doing well.

01:24:29.660 Were you worried at some point or did you always feel even like at that point, like at a

01:24:33.740 certain point, do you realize I have this gift?

01:24:35.620 I will always be able to survive.

01:24:37.560 I always knew that, but it doesn't mean I didn't worry.

01:24:39.960 I still worry.

01:24:40.660 I always worry.

01:24:41.080 I worried back then.

01:24:41.720 I worry now.

01:24:42.180 My, part of my strategy for success is worrying.

01:24:44.680 I worry myself with action.

01:24:46.420 Yeah.

01:24:46.780 I'm a warrior by nature.

01:24:48.160 So I wish I wasn't, but that's how I motivate myself and make sure I always get myself to

01:24:52.860 do the things I have to do each day.

01:24:54.280 Even though I don't feel like doing them.

01:24:55.300 It's always easy to do what you want to do.

01:24:57.280 I do what I don't want to do.

01:24:58.500 And that's part of being successful and being an adult.

01:25:00.900 And I worry, not because I don't have money.

01:25:04.460 I don't, I don't think it's about that anymore.

01:25:06.600 It's much as about, I'm building a business and a legacy.

01:25:09.080 And I employ a lot of great young kids who are really psyched about what we're doing.

01:25:13.700 The one thing that this, my business rep, I'm about 35, 40 employees and growing fast,

01:25:18.640 right?

01:25:18.860 I'll probably have a hundred by year's end, right?

01:25:20.620 And the one common denominator is every single person in that company knows that every person

01:25:26.340 we touch is getting the deal of a lifetime.

01:25:30.040 Everything is good.

01:25:31.040 There's not, it's never about, let's get, it's all about giving value.

01:25:34.560 We, we, people love us.

01:25:35.960 If you go to my wall, like the people who invest in my programs, I mean, they'll, they're like,

01:25:41.380 it's the results, ridiculous.

01:25:42.600 Like, I undercharge for stuff.

01:25:44.520 I probably made a mistake with that in retrospect.

01:25:46.480 It was a little too cheap because there is a natural sweet spot, which is fair for all sides.

01:25:50.480 But the, the journey that we're on is, is about giving massive value and making money

01:25:56.380 as a result of that, not the other way around.

01:25:59.400 Do you ever think there'll be another movie made about you that kind of shows the back

01:26:02.280 end of your life?

01:26:04.320 Oh, you know, there was two movies made about me.

01:26:07.460 So it was Boiler Room was based on my, on my firm, which is a loosely made and the Wolf

01:26:11.780 of Wall Street.

01:26:12.440 You know, I, I couldn't imagine because I think my life is boring right now, relatively.

01:26:18.000 And people would say, you do, you live a life that's so courageous.

01:26:21.340 Things seem to, I'm one of those people, things seem to happen to me.

01:26:24.240 Like, whatever I, like I wrote a book, it becomes a fuck, like, what the fuck?

01:26:27.460 And everyone, when I, let's just say that when it came out that Leo, everyone's like,

01:26:30.860 it figures.

01:26:32.200 Like, it was always like, it figures.

01:26:34.360 Not surprised it's happening.

01:26:35.420 And I, you know, and I don't plan that shit.

01:26:38.100 I really don't.

01:26:38.920 Who could?

01:26:40.560 I don't, I really doubt it.

01:26:42.380 But you know, you never know.

01:26:43.320 I mean, I'm on a great journey right now.

01:26:45.260 And I think I have a lot, I think I have a lot to offer the world.

01:26:49.280 I really do.

01:26:50.020 And I think that, I think I got it figured out.

01:26:53.160 I think my values right now are really perfectly aligned to make a lot of money as a result of

01:26:58.540 giving massive value.

01:26:59.880 And I think that.

01:27:01.500 That's a, that's a, that's a cool thing.

01:27:02.920 Yeah.

01:27:03.100 And I, and I think that's congruent with who I am.

01:27:05.020 And I think that there's people that work for me right now.

01:27:07.840 My son being one of my, I have many great staff members that are like partners in the

01:27:12.120 company.

01:27:12.420 I believe in spreading the wealth.

01:27:13.940 I have a feeling they're going to push this far more than I ever would.

01:27:17.580 And I'll be more of a figurehead on their journey and doing what they need me to do.

01:27:22.960 Like, cause I need to do a podcast.

01:27:24.400 My son got me to do that podcast.

01:27:26.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:26.360 And I love doing it.

01:27:27.120 But yeah, but I think that this is about the company's far beyond.

01:27:30.660 And my greatest hope is that people in there rise up and replace me.

01:27:35.240 And I'm just, you know, he's, I'm the guy they push out in a wheelchair.

01:27:38.200 Yeah.

01:27:39.700 That'll be amazing.

01:27:40.680 Are you sober these days or no?

01:27:42.780 Sober.

01:27:43.200 I drink like I never was a drinker.

01:27:45.000 Right.

01:27:45.360 So I would gladly have a glass of Scotia.

01:27:48.400 I'd probably take three sips.

01:27:49.720 If you got lucky, I'd finish one shot.

01:27:51.400 I would never do more than that.

01:27:52.360 That's not who I am.

01:27:53.000 Right.

01:27:53.380 I don't do drugs.

01:27:54.280 Cause I, and I don't do them.

01:27:56.320 I'm not against them.

01:27:57.900 Um, I lost the privilege.

01:27:59.500 Yeah.

01:27:59.820 Like drugs, like a privilege, you know, people can do it and responsibly and have fun.

01:28:03.640 Cause they are fun.

01:28:04.800 But once you lose, once you cross over, you lose that ability.

01:28:08.380 I cannot do them normally.

01:28:09.360 That's the dark arts, brother.

01:28:10.440 Yeah.

01:28:10.560 Right.

01:28:10.920 You know?

01:28:11.240 Yeah.

01:28:11.720 It gets deep.

01:28:12.780 Really deep.

01:28:13.600 Yeah, boy.

01:28:14.480 I'm not a nice person.

01:28:15.540 Actually, I could be nice.

01:28:16.580 I'm just not a good person.

01:28:17.980 Dude, one of my buddies would put on a diaper and go on the dance floor cause he would shit

01:28:21.620 himself out there.

01:28:22.120 I understand.

01:28:22.900 And it doesn't seem like that irrational to me.

01:28:25.420 It makes, I think it's a prophylactic measure that makes good common sense.

01:28:29.200 It's respectful.

01:28:30.080 Like kudos to the guys.

01:28:31.060 Yeah.

01:28:31.340 It's better than shitting on the floor and fucking everyone else's night.

01:28:33.400 I don't put a fucking diaper on.

01:28:34.680 I was like.

01:28:35.940 Let's party.

01:28:36.700 It's a good dude.

01:28:37.800 What else we got, Nick?

01:28:38.820 Any more questions on here that we want to go through?

01:28:40.600 I think that's pretty good.

01:28:42.220 Or do you want more?

01:28:42.960 Nuh-uh.

01:28:43.380 Anything you want to ask?

01:28:45.440 No.

01:28:45.920 This was fun.

01:28:46.580 This was fun though.

01:28:46.880 I think we're good, boy.

01:28:47.740 We had a good, fun time.

01:28:49.000 I would love to hear you on his because he could pull some stories out of you.

01:28:52.620 Oh yeah, let's, I want to, let's come on my podcast.

01:28:54.560 When can, yeah, I'd love to have you on my podcast.

01:28:56.200 Yeah, I would love to come on there, man.

01:28:57.120 Come down like next week or something and we'll, we'll, we'll just be crazy.

01:29:00.080 It'll be great, you know?

01:29:00.660 That'd be cool.

01:29:01.300 Uh, yeah, I'll think of some good stories I haven't shared before.

01:29:03.800 You do?

01:29:04.220 What, what town do you live in?

01:29:05.120 I'm in like, you know, Manhattan, Hermosa Beach.

01:29:06.620 I'm right on the ocean.

01:29:07.980 You see my whole company?

01:29:08.640 You see my company's pretty cool.

01:29:09.360 I got about, about 50, 45 people working for me right now.

01:29:11.840 Actually 40, 45.

01:29:13.220 And they're all in this one house.

01:29:19.000 The most awesome people, all millennials, people don't think millennials work hard?

01:29:22.680 I don't know.

01:29:23.180 My millennials are fucking animals.

01:29:24.660 Really?

01:29:25.180 Oh yeah.

01:29:25.660 They're like just, they're awesome, you know?

01:29:27.680 Great staff.

01:29:28.360 That's crazy.

01:29:28.900 I have girls.

01:29:29.360 I have young girls that work for me.

01:29:30.800 They're so fucking sharp.

01:29:32.200 Jesus.

01:29:32.620 They're like fucking killers, these girls.

01:29:34.180 They're dangerous, huh?

01:29:35.080 Dangerous.

01:29:35.460 I have one girl, you know, two, I have a two, a duo, Rachel and Mia, you know, Rachel's

01:29:40.260 like fucking a brainiac and she's like fucking smart, loving it.

01:29:42.800 Mia's like, well, I'll fire the person.

01:29:44.040 I'll fire them.

01:29:45.360 I'm like, Mia, you have to, cause she's headed like a whole department.

01:29:47.400 Like, you want me to?

01:29:47.880 Oh no, I'm fine with that.

01:29:50.140 You know, she's like.

01:29:50.540 They want to fire, huh?

01:29:51.520 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:52.100 Now, do you notice, okay, having these young millennials, these, these, these millennial

01:29:56.000 girls and stuff working for you, do you notice a difference between them and women that were

01:30:00.500 in your workplace previously or?

01:30:03.080 You know, I grew up, my mother was a professional in the fifties, like in the mad men era.

01:30:09.740 She was going down into the city and was like Peggy on steroids, my mother.

01:30:14.020 Wow.

01:30:14.740 But she just didn't believe in making money cause she didn't know how to sell.

01:30:17.120 She was a CPA and she has an IQ off the strategy.

01:30:19.540 She became a lawyer when she was 79.

01:30:21.500 My mother was the oldest woman to pass the bar in New York state.

01:30:24.140 Um, so I, it never, I would never ever look at a woman as being anything less than the

01:30:28.040 equal of a man.

01:30:28.960 Right.

01:30:29.460 Cause that's why I grew up.

01:30:30.520 My mother was like that.

01:30:31.380 Right, right.

01:30:32.120 Same.

01:30:32.480 Um, but I had a woman brokers at Stratton, but I think that, I think that just like, you

01:30:38.280 know, the women, the young girls I have and the guys that are amazing too, right?

01:30:42.920 Right.

01:30:43.220 They're amazing.

01:30:43.980 Um, to me, I find that when you have a sharp girl, I think the female mind in some level

01:30:52.820 is more organized on average.

01:30:55.320 I agree.

01:30:55.900 Just because of the way, the why, like hunter-gatherers versus killers, right?

01:31:00.260 So guys are great at some things.

01:31:02.400 And it's, of course, this is just a big mash mash.

01:31:05.120 There's always exceptions.

01:31:06.400 Yeah, there's always exceptions, but I agree.

01:31:07.800 I think women are overall more organized.

01:31:09.720 Girl, there's girls I have there.

01:31:11.120 They're just like, fuck it.

01:31:11.880 They do shit I could never do.

01:31:13.860 Like they, they, they both came in at low levels and I, I rose them up like, you're in

01:31:18.320 charge of this shit, you know, because they're just great.

01:31:20.240 And my son is the spiritual leader of the mall.

01:31:22.680 He's just a brilliant young guy.

01:31:24.140 I got a great crew.

01:31:25.020 I'm lucky.

01:31:25.160 Yeah.

01:31:25.600 It sounds like it, man.

01:31:26.440 You sound really excited about that.

01:31:27.480 I love them.

01:31:27.840 They're great.

01:31:28.200 They work really hard.

01:31:29.080 Um, do you like, to me, one of the scariest businesses these days seems to be the news,

01:31:35.040 right?

01:31:35.740 And do you feel that like it's changed a lot?

01:31:38.660 Yes.

01:31:39.040 It's a joke.

01:31:40.360 It's not the news.

01:31:41.180 It's fucking, it's, I, every night.

01:31:44.000 Like they used to have a well, a care.

01:31:45.360 It used to seem like they cared about our wellbeing.

01:31:47.280 Like it was some general care for our wellbeing.

01:31:49.380 It's so fucking toxically terrible right now.

01:31:52.440 You can go, I can go on for hours about this, but I mean, number one, the days of like Walter

01:31:57.960 Cronkite.

01:31:59.040 And I long for those days.

01:32:01.180 People on CNN, what a fucking joke.

01:32:04.160 I mean like the Satan shit that like that, if you're going to, my prom is not what they

01:32:08.340 say.

01:32:08.760 Yeah.

01:32:09.160 Just say that you're not a new, you're an opinion journalist.

01:32:11.740 And then, Hey dude, like Rachel Maddow, you're Rachel Maddow.

01:32:14.880 You're a liberal.

01:32:15.860 Good.

01:32:16.200 Let's hear what you say.

01:32:17.000 You're entitled to your opinion.

01:32:18.140 And you can say, you can say whatever you want because everyone knows that you're an opinion

01:32:21.560 journalist.

01:32:21.900 Right.

01:32:22.200 That's who she is.

01:32:22.880 And that's healthy.

01:32:23.780 Okay.

01:32:24.320 Sean Hannity, the same thing.

01:32:25.720 Yeah.

01:32:25.900 He's making no illusions of who he is.

01:32:28.120 Right.

01:32:28.280 Right.

01:32:28.700 But when you, or Tucker calls him, if you're going to go out there and pretend you're like

01:32:32.760 Don Lemon, whoever's name is on CNN, saying you're, that's not a journalist.

01:32:36.820 Shame on him for that.

01:32:37.700 That's not right.

01:32:38.280 That is just not fucking right.

01:32:39.680 And it's fool's people.

01:32:41.220 Cause you know, I'm not saying he's even right or wrong.

01:32:43.860 Right.

01:32:44.220 It's not nothing to do with that, but you're not a journalist.

01:32:46.520 You're not speaking.

01:32:47.420 Right.

01:32:47.600 You're not a journalist.

01:32:48.280 You're a Muppet at that point.

01:32:49.260 You don't have any.

01:32:50.340 There's an agenda.

01:32:51.260 Yeah.

01:32:51.740 Right.

01:32:52.160 So, and I think it's terrible.

01:32:53.640 It's scary.

01:32:54.280 It's very scary.

01:32:54.980 And I, and I think it's really sad.

01:32:56.520 Listen, I voted for Trump.

01:32:58.100 Okay.

01:32:58.660 Mostly because I, and I strongly believe in this economic policy and it turned out to be right

01:33:04.420 because the economy is booming.

01:33:06.120 Right.

01:33:06.240 I don't love everything he says.

01:33:07.360 I'm a really liberal guy.

01:33:08.700 I think shockingly, he, I think he's really liberal too.

01:33:11.700 He just doesn't know how to explain that.

01:33:12.720 I think, yeah, I don't think he does a good job of explaining himself.

01:33:14.920 And I think the media is not.

01:33:16.200 And they kill him.

01:33:16.980 No, what do you do?

01:33:17.360 They'll fucking kill him.

01:33:18.220 If the guy discovered cancer, they'd say he discovered cancer.

01:33:21.200 Right.

01:33:21.540 And let me just say, cause he's going to control all of us now that he's discovered.

01:33:24.480 So it's fucked.

01:33:25.420 Okay.

01:33:25.800 You're never going to die.

01:33:26.660 Now you own your souls owned by Donald Trump.

01:33:28.820 And listen, he's not all bad.

01:33:30.920 He's not all good.

01:33:31.740 He's Donald's no better or worse than any other politician.

01:33:34.220 Or he's probably better because he, at least he fucking says that she says shit.

01:33:38.180 And I was like, what the thing is, one of the reasons why he got elected is because

01:33:41.820 he, at least you knew who he was.

01:33:43.160 Like a lot of people were like, oh, I know this guy's kind of a guy who doesn't pay his

01:33:47.240 contractors.

01:33:47.760 Right.

01:33:48.100 I know he's that guy.

01:33:49.020 He's that guy.

01:33:49.700 But other people are like, I don't know who that person is.

01:33:52.000 There's some script that's been going on for hundreds of years.

01:33:54.260 You got it.

01:33:54.720 You know what he said?

01:33:55.280 The best thing he's ever said was like when the Democrats were bashing him publicly while

01:33:59.260 he was trying to negotiate with China.

01:34:00.360 He goes, could you just lie so I can negotiate more effectively with China?

01:34:03.740 Pretend you like me.

01:34:04.620 Like, do you realize how stupid you're hurting the country by saying all this shit out loud

01:34:08.680 so they know in China?

01:34:09.520 Just pretend we're on the same side.

01:34:11.060 It's like fucked up.

01:34:12.180 And here's the thing.

01:34:13.260 It's really not going to matter for you or I because they'll kick this can down the road

01:34:17.320 for another 30, 40 years.

01:34:18.780 But sometime, I don't know what the fuck is going to happen with a deficit because things

01:34:24.380 are just, you can't run a deficit like this forever.

01:34:27.860 You can't.

01:34:28.480 I don't know what's going to happen.

01:34:29.820 And I wish, and I think I'm a pretty smart guy when it comes to economics and financials.

01:34:35.040 I can't, the only, listen, the obvious answer is to grow our way at, to become so successful

01:34:40.320 economically that by lowering taxes, you become so successful that the tax base gets so massive

01:34:46.000 that you can pay down the debt.

01:34:48.060 I just don't see how that happens mathematically unless the currency we have got devalued so

01:34:52.880 the dollar becomes cheaper or some currency reset, which tends to be a global disaster because

01:34:58.120 the U.S. is the global reserve currency.

01:34:59.800 So, you know, it used to be a country could devalue their currency to sort of obviously

01:35:03.660 can't do that as the U.S. because you're the global, you're the currency.

01:35:06.320 Right, you're the benchmark.

01:35:07.520 And if there was a reset, there would be ramifications all over the place.

01:35:10.620 I don't know the answer.

01:35:12.420 And I don't know if anyone really does know this, but it's a scary thing, you know?

01:35:15.380 Yeah, it's almost like traveling in outer space, really.

01:35:17.540 It is.

01:35:18.420 And the fact that, you know, that he stands up to China, I love China.

01:35:23.560 You know, China's a peaceful country.

01:35:24.940 Yeah.

01:35:25.260 I've been in, I love the people that-

01:35:26.680 Yeah, I was there a couple months ago.

01:35:27.660 Yeah, the best people ever, right?

01:35:29.000 The best people ever.

01:35:29.880 But they're economic warriors and you got to respect them.

01:35:31.800 Oh, they keep cruising.

01:35:32.720 They're fucking-

01:35:33.420 They don't give up.

01:35:34.240 I said, you die in China, they make a soup out of you, they sell it to a couple people

01:35:38.220 and they keep cruising down the street.

01:35:39.100 And it's all good.

01:35:40.080 It's all good.

01:35:40.720 They love you, they're happy you're there, but that's it.

01:35:42.820 Dude, that's it.

01:35:43.620 They're all about China.

01:35:44.560 It's very tough to compete with that because, you know, they need to move, there's like 10,000

01:35:51.460 people, they need to build an electric dam, plow the fucking place.

01:35:55.600 Yeah.

01:35:55.760 Here, it's 20 years of fucking lawsuits.

01:35:57.840 Yeah.

01:35:58.120 It's a distinct advantage, you know?

01:35:59.420 So, anyway.

01:36:00.820 It's interesting, man.

01:36:01.500 Dude, you have to come on my podcast because we're on the list.

01:36:02.860 A lot of red tape, a lot of red, white, and blue, a lot of red tape, man.

01:36:06.320 No, Jordan, I'd love to, man.

01:36:07.460 Thank you so much for being here today.

01:36:08.620 My pleasure.

01:36:08.980 Cheers, brother.

01:36:09.520 Cheers, brother.

01:36:12.060 Shine that light on me.

01:36:17.640 I'll sit and tell you my stories.

01:36:20.680 Ooh.

01:36:22.780 Shine on me.

01:36:26.780 And I will find a song.

01:36:30.200 I will sing it just for you.

01:36:33.280 And now I've been moving way too fast

01:36:40.840 On the runaway train with a heavy load of my hand

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The Real Wolf of Wall Street Jordan Belfort ｜ This Past Weekend #210

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