This Past Weekend with Theo Von - Urijah Faber

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00:00:10.340 Today's guest managed to plant the seeds of an entrepreneurial business mastermind,

00:00:19.640 all the while becoming a champion in the world of cage fighting. He's no longer fighting,

00:00:27.720 but he's got so many things going on in the business world that his career just continues to climb.

00:00:34.100 Today's guest is Mr. Uriah Faber.

00:00:50.000 But no, I've never seen anybody. I mean, that's really just making the most out of things.

00:00:54.880 Bro, when I was in the lobby and whatnot, I tried a napkin. I was trying a couple different things.

00:01:00.320 So you'll really get in there.

00:01:01.940 Because you just took an Aquafina wrapper off of a bottle and then used it because it's thin enough to floss your teeth with.

00:01:10.520 Absolutely.

00:01:11.320 I love that.

00:01:12.140 It's effective.

00:01:12.920 It's a genetic thing, I think.

00:01:14.320 I remember driving around my dad's old beat-up truck, and he always had toothpicks or he had a little crappy toothbrush.

00:01:21.460 She'd keep it in his center console, and he was constantly digging in his teeth.

00:01:24.420 So we must have genetic teeth gaps that store food.

00:01:29.480 It might have been a survival tactic back in the day.

00:01:31.520 Yeah.

00:01:32.180 But useless now.

00:01:33.640 Right.

00:01:34.320 Yeah, pretty much.

00:01:35.040 Just to spend money on dental floss.

00:01:38.240 Do you keep floss around?

00:01:40.240 You do?

00:01:41.440 I do usually.

00:01:42.240 Or I'll grab, if I'm in a restaurant, I'll get a couple toothpicks and keep them for the day.

00:01:49.780 My girl's always making fun of me.

00:01:51.380 She's like, I've never seen somebody floss her teeth as much as I do.

00:01:53.700 Oh, that's pretty cool.

00:01:54.320 I have to.

00:01:55.320 She makes fun of me for a couple of things.

00:01:58.040 One is being a mouth breather.

00:02:01.180 And I'm like, I was in 44 professional fights.

00:02:03.800 I've been punched in the nose.

00:02:04.860 Look, I can breathe at all.

00:02:05.780 Yeah.

00:02:06.060 Look, I can breathe.

00:02:06.820 And look, yeah, I'm not more damaged than I already am.

00:02:09.220 Yeah, you're like I'm not a machine breather at this point.

00:02:12.240 And then the dental floss thing.

00:02:14.720 But I just can't handle having a bunch of crap stuck in my teeth.

00:02:17.520 Yeah.

00:02:17.920 Now, is it because you worry that other people see it?

00:02:20.460 Or it's just a thing that affects you?

00:02:22.320 Yeah, it just gets on my nerves.

00:02:23.700 I don't really care.

00:02:25.300 Right.

00:02:25.640 Do you feel like it's an unorganized thing?

00:02:28.080 Like, I'm just trying to wonder if it goes back to a place in you that resonates in other areas of your life, you know?

00:02:33.160 You a psych major?

00:02:34.180 I don't know.

00:02:34.740 I just like to think about it.

00:02:35.540 I think you are.

00:02:35.900 I think like, you know, I just think it's kind of fascinating, you know, because you like, you know, a lot of guys have, you know,

00:02:41.540 gone through fighting and been and had an experience in that world.

00:02:44.260 But you like kind of seem to also attack like kind of the business world and like continue to, you know, just keep whatever your motivation was or maybe to fight.

00:02:53.420 I don't know.

00:02:53.840 But you keep that motivation just cruising right into whatever the next thing is.

00:02:57.600 Absolutely.

00:02:58.160 So I guess I'm just wondering like if organization is one of your skills, if there's like...

00:03:01.180 Organization is not one of my skills.

00:03:03.000 I do.

00:03:03.340 I think if I take it back, I do remember my mom always saying, you know, she's saying, you're really lucky.

00:03:10.240 You got, you're blessed with good teeth.

00:03:11.860 You better take care of them.

00:03:12.980 You better like all that kind of stuff since I was little.

00:03:15.440 So maybe at some point that stuck in.

00:03:17.720 It just stuck in.

00:03:18.340 Your dad took care of them.

00:03:19.220 She also used to tell me if I wore too tight of underwear that my wiener wouldn't grow.

00:03:22.840 Really?

00:03:23.460 Which I don't know if that's true or not, but I think she was, you know, I was a guy that likes to keep old shit.

00:03:28.060 Yeah.

00:03:28.200 You know, my old shoes.

00:03:29.340 They try to get me to get rid of my shoes and my favorite shoes, throw them away.

00:03:34.860 And I go back and get them.

00:03:37.000 Get them.

00:03:37.360 Wow.

00:03:37.580 Yeah.

00:03:37.760 It's just a comfort thing.

00:03:38.780 This shirt's like nine years old or something like that.

00:03:43.000 So if something works, you stick with it.

00:03:45.040 Absolutely.

00:03:45.680 Yeah.

00:03:46.000 Yeah.

00:03:46.440 Now, when you were fighting and stuff, did that change in your fighting style?

00:03:50.460 Or do you feel like the fighting style that you had when you started was kind of the same?

00:03:54.920 Because I know you've just kind of, you know, I don't ever want to say somebody's finished from something, but finished like a year ago.

00:03:59.960 I retired.

00:04:00.540 Yeah.

00:04:00.800 Retired.

00:04:01.220 Retired a year and a half ago.

00:04:03.380 Was your style always the same?

00:04:05.320 My intensity was always the same, but style changes.

00:04:09.400 And especially in a sport like ours.

00:04:11.200 And like you said, I don't know how much you do or don't know about the sport.

00:04:14.740 I know you love it.

00:04:15.560 Not super much.

00:04:16.120 So I'm excited though and I admire the fact like, you know, I've always been kind of like, I guess, afraid to defend myself or I grew up that way without like a lot of like, you know, somebody teaching me how to defend myself or letting me know when it was okay to defend myself or anything like that, you know?

00:04:30.300 What do you think that comes from?

00:04:31.820 So I think it probably just comes from, you know, we grew up in like kind of a scary area and we just not having like a father, you know, like that kind of overly strong figure.

00:04:43.040 My brother moved away.

00:04:44.040 So kind of maybe some of that.

00:04:45.760 And being just probably afraid, you know, like, but anyway, so I admire that you guys can do that.

00:04:51.240 Like to me, it's, it's like, it's fascinating.

00:04:54.300 Yeah.

00:04:54.420 When they say, they say that two of the most feared things in human beings, period, is a physical confrontation and public speaking.

00:05:03.460 Yeah.

00:05:03.980 Which you got the public speaking down.

00:05:05.540 Right.

00:05:05.720 That's good.

00:05:06.020 I'm going to stay on this.

00:05:06.920 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 I'm going to stay on that side of it.

00:05:08.320 But yeah, it's a scary, and it's weird to think about that for me, for, you know, 13 years of my life and before that as a wrestler, my day was filled with fighting guys that are also some of the best guys on the planet.

00:05:22.920 So you get rid of that real quick, but it's also something that can be scary.

00:05:25.380 And that's why it's probably so intriguing to people, you know?

00:05:27.820 Same with the reason you can get up and be funny and, and not afraid to introduce yourself.

00:05:32.800 Like for some people, that's a scary, scary thing.

00:05:35.600 Yeah.

00:05:36.200 It's very individual.

00:05:36.960 So when, when you talk about like, has things changed as a fighter, especially when I first started, I was coming from a wrestling background.

00:05:44.860 I wrestled in college at UC Davis and I had to, uh, you know, make ends meet.

00:05:50.100 I was busting tables and coaching kids wrestling and making a couple hundred bucks to win and, um, just having fun with it really.

00:05:57.880 And then following my passion.

00:05:59.680 So I definitely changed as a fighter skill wise.

00:06:03.320 I got better with things, but the same mentality is, is, is important.

00:06:08.420 You got to just believe in yourself and people get knocked down on that kind of stuff.

00:06:12.640 Like you may think you're the, you're the funniest dude in the world and you get up there and you can't get anybody to laugh.

00:06:17.400 And you're like, Oh crap.

00:06:19.440 Maybe I'm not the funniest guy.

00:06:20.720 Maybe that shakes your confidence or else you're just like, I am the funniest guy, but you know, blame it on something.

00:06:25.640 These guys aren't, they don't understand me.

00:06:27.320 Or I need to hit another, I need to practice my jokes better or whatever.

00:06:30.980 You got to keep that mentality that you've got something and then, and then change it around.

00:06:36.220 So fighting style changed a lot throughout time, but same mentality, same mentality.

00:06:42.460 Is it, is, is, is fighting the kind of sport where you're, you're most, everyone is, is humbled pretty often.

00:06:47.600 Usually, um, are those humbling moments?

00:06:51.500 There's a ton of humbling moments every day.

00:06:53.360 There's humbling moments, but you have to be a little bit delusional.

00:06:56.240 Also, I think, uh, you know, you talked about Conor McGregor.

00:06:59.900 Yeah.

00:07:01.140 You got to be a little bit delusional.

00:07:02.820 I don't think, you know, people like, Oh, cause I know him.

00:07:05.140 I was on a TV show with the guy.

00:07:06.560 Yeah.

00:07:06.660 I remember seeing that.

00:07:07.660 Yeah.

00:07:07.920 And all that stuff.

00:07:08.760 And they're like, is he faking it for the, this and that?

00:07:10.920 And I'm like, no, he, he's, he's a, he's a funny guy.

00:07:14.580 Yeah.

00:07:14.760 He's a confident guy.

00:07:16.180 He's mouthy.

00:07:17.220 He's got a little bit of a temper and he really, really believes all the stuff he's saying.

00:07:21.340 Right.

00:07:21.720 You know?

00:07:22.000 And I, and I've got to, he's almost delusional to a point.

00:07:24.140 Yeah.

00:07:24.300 Like to a next level.

00:07:25.700 Delusional of success, delusional to a point of success, which is, you know, you got to be

00:07:30.320 that.

00:07:30.580 When you look back and see him, so like even in these clips and he's, you know, uh, in

00:07:34.200 the clips when you guys were on the UFC show, um, and he's all, yeah, I mean, he shows up

00:07:38.980 He looks like Pee Wee fucking Herman right now.

00:07:40.720 Oh, it's crazy.

00:07:41.500 He looks like a pimp, uh, in, like in, uh, on Martha's Vineyard, you know?

00:07:46.940 But do you think that he, like, even at this time he had this kind of bigger vision or he

00:07:52.960 was just like maniacal or do you think it was just, uh.

00:07:56.520 It's just like me or anyone else that's become a world champion on that level.

00:07:59.920 Right.

00:08:00.160 And, and had this type of success, you envision it, you believe it, you're thinking it's going

00:08:06.020 to happen and, you know, it's just matter of fact, like it's going to happen.

00:08:10.560 And he had that from a young age.

00:08:11.960 There's a video of him.

00:08:12.960 Maybe you guys can find it when he's a kid saying, I'm going to be a champion of the world.

00:08:18.300 I'm going to have more money than I know what to do with.

00:08:20.160 And he just, you know, got pimples and, and shaved head and, uh, it's cool to see, you

00:08:26.380 know, that kind of stuff come true.

00:08:27.860 Cause I had the same visions.

00:08:28.880 Yeah.

00:08:29.840 Like, you know.

00:08:30.780 Yeah.

00:08:30.800 And you fought, I mean, dude, you fought, I mean, you were just always fighting.

00:08:34.540 Yeah.

00:08:35.100 44.5 was a world champion at, uh, uh, you know, at the highest level when, when I was

00:08:42.580 20 something years old and I maintained it for a while.

00:08:45.100 I was the top contender my entire career, had a lot of title shots.

00:08:48.240 Uh, even when the UFC came, the UFC and the WC merged.

00:08:52.980 So I was the WC and the UFC, the UFC owned the WC and all the lightweight fighters from

00:08:59.760 the WC.

00:09:00.340 So when they merged, I went into the UFC, I was 32 at the time and I kept going after

00:09:04.860 that title and having title shots.

00:09:06.160 So, you know, 13 years, I was in the top three in the world and, and, uh, had a lot of fun

00:09:12.060 doing it.

00:09:12.500 Yeah.

00:09:12.620 That's that clip.

00:09:14.100 Oh, wow.

00:09:14.680 Yeah.

00:09:14.980 Oh, that's Connor.

00:09:16.220 Yeah.

00:09:17.380 My dream is to be world champion, world lightweight champion in the UFC, have more money than I

00:09:22.640 know what to deal with and have a great life for my, my kids, my grandkids, everyone in

00:09:27.240 my, in my family, everyone that's, that's come up with me.

00:09:30.640 That's my dream.

00:09:31.520 My dream is to be number one, pretty much.

00:09:32.920 My goal is number one MMA.

00:09:35.720 He just basically spells out what's happening right now.

00:09:39.280 Wow.

00:09:40.180 Which is cool.

00:09:41.060 Did you, like whenever, so if you start to look at like, you know, what's happening right

00:09:43.380 like success like that, like really envisioning it.

00:09:45.740 And I think everybody probably hope has like an idea of success.

00:09:48.860 Yeah.

00:09:49.280 Do you think that in your own life that you saw like a vision of success?

00:09:54.020 Do you think that success is just something you've constantly, constantly seen, like

00:09:57.800 come to you through effort?

00:09:59.680 Like, what do you kind of feel like success is in your life?

00:10:02.100 Cause you've had success not only in fighting, but now in business as well.

00:10:04.900 That's a great question.

00:10:06.040 And I talk about this.

00:10:07.180 If I ever give a talk, a motivational speech or talk to a big company, I, you know, I just

00:10:11.900 basically have a conversation with them.

00:10:13.620 And for me and for a lot of the successful people, the same common things come up and

00:10:19.560 it's a thinking big process.

00:10:21.680 You can work hard.

00:10:23.260 You can be smart.

00:10:25.280 You can, you know, get up after you get knocked down and all this stuff.

00:10:28.620 That's all important.

00:10:29.540 But how big is your vision?

00:10:30.800 Um, and I remember I was working at a wrestling camp in, in Tahoe.

00:10:37.060 Um, I worked there when I was a freshman in college all the way through into my career

00:10:43.000 as a, as a champion in mixed martial arts and everything else.

00:10:46.140 And I was a freshman or a, I think a freshman or no, I was a, my first year out of college.

00:10:52.460 So this is right after wrestling at Davis, right after wrestling at Davis.

00:10:55.060 And I was up there coaching and I had traded a, uh, a parachute shorts for the CD that

00:11:01.420 this, this kid burned me.

00:11:02.720 And I had a cassette tape, put the cassette tape that hooked up to a ghetto CD player.

00:11:07.740 And I put that CD player in there and it was a song.

00:11:10.560 It was going, I'm going to be bigger than Jesus and bigger than wrestling and bigger

00:11:14.340 than the Beatles and bigger than wrestling plants.

00:11:16.220 I'm going to be the biggest thing to hit these little kids, bigger than guns and bigger

00:11:19.040 than cigarettes.

00:11:19.620 And I just bought a $350 car cause I had a other $400 car that broke down and I left.

00:11:25.960 What kind of car was it?

00:11:26.940 It was, uh, I think it was a Datsun B310.

00:11:29.640 Oh yeah.

00:11:30.360 It had like triangle windows and it beeped when it backed up or, uh, that was one of them.

00:11:35.780 I can't remember.

00:11:36.680 And, uh, the car was shaking and I had this little cassette thing with the thing and I

00:11:40.200 had this CD and I was just envisioning being on TV and I had had like two fights in any

00:11:45.820 casinos.

00:11:46.420 I got paid like 500 bucks to show up.

00:11:48.680 But you could feel that fire.

00:11:49.840 You started to feel the fire.

00:11:51.040 Yeah, I started to feel the fire and I was just envisioning like, but this is in, this

00:11:54.340 is in 2004 when there was no, it wasn't that big that time.

00:11:58.080 Oh, there wasn't even as big of a league?

00:11:59.300 Yeah.

00:11:59.440 There's three fights a year with the UFC.

00:12:01.360 The lightest weight class was 170 pounds.

00:12:03.380 The biggest name guys were getting paid like 150 grand if they won the whole thing.

00:12:06.940 And what weight were you at at that time?

00:12:09.300 133 pounds.

00:12:10.280 So you would have to even, you'd have to get up to that weight to even compete.

00:12:13.300 Um, so my first fight was, uh, I, I just eaten everything I could to weigh 149 pounds.

00:12:19.780 And that's after I wrestled in college at 133.

00:12:22.440 And so I was, that's as big for me, 149.

00:12:25.180 And, uh, and then I fought at 155 for my first fight and I fought this big Mexican kid.

00:12:30.460 Do you feel fat when you walked in the ring?

00:12:32.080 Honestly, like obviously you were in shape, but to put on that much weight, that's a lot.

00:12:36.380 That's like 20% of your body weight.

00:12:38.580 No, cause I was already cutting weight for 33.

00:12:40.520 So we're, we're, we're put, we're cutting down all this weight and then putting it back on.

00:12:45.980 149 you said?

00:12:46.820 Yeah, 149.

00:12:47.560 I was, I was eating to do that, but I was, I was, you know, ripped.

00:12:50.700 I was a specimen at that time, especially.

00:12:53.600 And, and, uh, and went in and I just remember I got scared.

00:12:57.800 I didn't get scared, but I got nervous for the first time when I, uh, saw the casino.

00:13:03.620 We drove up on the Indian casino cause it was illegal in California at the time.

00:13:07.120 And I, and I remember the hair standing up on my neck.

00:13:08.760 So you're doing rogue stuff.

00:13:09.600 You're, you're driving out of country to, out of, out of the state to do Indian casino fighting.

00:13:13.700 Yeah, we're doing, we're doing it.

00:13:14.920 That is, it was the only place where it was legal cause it's sovereign land.

00:13:18.040 It was actually in California.

00:13:19.100 It wasn't that far from me, but we had to go where, where they could do whatever the hell

00:13:22.780 they want on the Indian reservation.

00:13:24.260 And I'm getting paid 200 bucks to show up, 200 bucks to win.

00:13:27.460 I sold like, you know, 20 tickets.

00:13:29.760 I gave me an extra 50 bucks and I fight this big Mexican guy.

00:13:32.880 He's got pride tattooed on his stomach.

00:13:34.600 And I remember I pulled up the casino.

00:13:35.960 Gay pride?

00:13:36.000 No, just regular pride.

00:13:37.280 Uh, yeah, I think it was regular pride.

00:13:39.200 Yeah.

00:13:39.380 I mean, you don't know.

00:13:39.920 But hey, don't knock him if he had gay pride too.

00:13:41.820 No, dude.

00:13:42.880 They used to have this group that came by us.

00:13:44.620 It was gay fist fighting that would come to the bars in Louisiana.

00:13:47.380 Oh, that must have been hot.

00:13:47.760 And it was a couple of gay guys that would get in there.

00:13:50.000 Uh, I mean, one of them was fucking, dude, nobody was fighting this dude.

00:13:53.880 You ever seen the lady boys in Thailand?

00:13:55.700 Uh-uh.

00:13:56.040 Dude, there's a whole like, like trend of every once in a while, like every like year

00:14:02.100 or two, like a lady boy just comes up and whoops people's ass.

00:14:05.460 Really?

00:14:05.840 And there's actually a movie about this one lady boy chick who like made it to the Lumpu

00:14:11.380 Nyao Stadium, which is like the big show and like was fucking dudes up.

00:14:15.040 But she's all, you know, it's like a, it's like a, like a super accepted thing over there

00:14:19.440 in Thailand.

00:14:19.980 It's like, oh, are you, you know, like they're trying to do it here in America, you know,

00:14:24.280 make everybody like gender neutral and everything else like your hair.

00:14:28.040 Yeah.

00:14:28.300 Like this hair.

00:14:28.840 But I, but I, for some sports, I think like sometimes it's like, um, with some of that,

00:14:33.300 it's like everybody, it's like, yeah, support everything.

00:14:35.300 Like Bill Burr the other night was saying, you know, they keep making everything also for

00:14:39.160 women, which is fine.

00:14:40.380 Yeah.

00:14:40.620 But some of it is just like, to, it's not like he goes, but nobody goes to the WNBA

00:14:46.460 games.

00:14:46.900 He's like, yeah, you've had the, nobody goes.

00:14:49.700 Title nine, title nine is, is something that all college athletes know about.

00:14:55.200 Yeah.

00:14:55.400 That's when they decided to make it mandatory.

00:14:58.800 There had to be an equal amount of resources going to women and men.

00:15:02.360 Yeah.

00:15:02.540 And scholarships too, I think actually.

00:15:04.540 And it screwed everybody.

00:15:06.680 It screwed a lot of men's sports.

00:15:08.560 It screwed wrestling programs.

00:15:09.960 It screwed like, uh, other things.

00:15:12.080 And so there's a little animosity there, but it does make sense that, you know, women should

00:15:16.100 get a chance also.

00:15:17.240 But, um, sometimes it was like, you know, the cause of forced programs, you know, going

00:15:23.740 down and then they'd like throw in women's rugby and there'd be a couple of chicks that

00:15:26.760 are involved.

00:15:27.360 And like, you know, yeah.

00:15:28.860 And then they got big girls are making them get out there just because they're, you know,

00:15:32.540 overweight or something or bloated.

00:15:34.640 You know, I remember one girl that got stung by a bunch of bees and they made her get out

00:15:37.680 there and she's like, I'm not even jacked.

00:15:39.360 Like, you know, I just need a couple of EpiPens and I'll fucking recover.

00:15:42.600 You know, I'm not playing.

00:15:44.100 We never experienced that.

00:15:45.500 I'm not playing halfback for you guys.

00:15:48.140 You know, that's funny.

00:15:49.200 What if that was part of the regimen?

00:15:50.420 You had to get stung by bees to be a rugby player.

00:15:52.880 That I'd have a little more, uh, I go watch that.

00:15:55.520 Yeah.

00:15:56.100 I watch that.

00:15:56.800 The area you grew up in, Davis, there's a lot of rugby and stuff up in that area, like

00:15:59.540 Berkeley, Davis.

00:16:00.440 That's huge rugby country.

00:16:01.820 Yeah.

00:16:01.840 That's a big rugby country.

00:16:03.240 And it's funny because I don't know how it is in other countries, but for here in the

00:16:09.020 U.S., it's kind of a rich kid's sport.

00:16:11.200 Yeah.

00:16:11.600 To be honest.

00:16:12.300 Yeah.

00:16:12.760 Yeah.

00:16:12.980 It's, it's offered it like this school.

00:16:14.600 Cause I didn't have a swimming team.

00:16:16.200 We didn't have a pool in my little town.

00:16:17.580 We didn't have a rugby team.

00:16:18.580 We didn't have a water pool.

00:16:19.520 We didn't have polo.

00:16:20.480 We didn't have anything, you know?

00:16:22.780 Uh, it was like the basics and fundamentals.

00:16:24.760 So, um, rugby, you get a lot of tough guys in there, but they're usually, you know, George

00:16:29.440 Washington cash.

00:16:30.500 Yeah.

00:16:30.720 Yeah.

00:16:31.020 George wall, like schools like that.

00:16:32.600 Exactly.

00:16:33.020 Like GW.

00:16:33.700 Dude, I remember they had to do, you just reminded me of this.

00:16:36.160 They would check for sinkholes cause Louisiana really isn't supposed to exist.

00:16:39.620 You know, that's where I'm from.

00:16:40.680 Really?

00:16:41.060 Because I mean, it's like New Orleans is eight feet below sea level, you know?

00:16:45.200 So really it's like people, you know, trying to like build a universe in a, in the bottom

00:16:50.060 of a teacup, you know, and then get pissed when tea shows up, you know, when there's

00:16:54.540 a little bit of chamomile on your shoulders and suddenly you're furious.

00:16:57.040 It's like, what the fuck are you built down here?

00:16:58.820 But they had a dude, they had this company would test for sinkholes and they used to

00:17:03.680 pay kids.

00:17:04.360 They'd hook you to a chain, put a chain on you, put the thing around your waist and have

00:17:07.340 you walk off in a field, bro.

00:17:09.440 And that just pays like five bucks an hour.

00:17:11.740 And if you fell right through the fucking earth, they yank you back up, they yank you

00:17:15.140 back up.

00:17:15.820 Wow.

00:17:16.020 But then they're like, Oh, this is dangerous land out here.

00:17:18.260 You know, dude, that's funny.

00:17:19.740 That's some weird shit that people used to do.

00:17:21.640 It was fun.

00:17:22.500 Yeah.

00:17:22.640 I think some of that was just back in, in like, you know, times were a little bit different.

00:17:26.600 I mean, I'm 38 now, so times were a little bit more fun.

00:17:29.140 Right.

00:17:29.560 Yeah.

00:17:29.920 That, that does sound like fun.

00:17:31.360 Not, not for the kid getting sun cold, but for everybody watching, maybe.

00:17:35.880 And the people betting on it.

00:17:37.300 You know, I went to a, I did a USO tour with Carlos Condit, Michael Bisbing and BJ Penn in

00:17:44.700 like 2008.

00:17:45.380 Oh, wow.

00:17:46.020 It was bad-ass.

00:17:46.640 We went to Afghanistan, two helicopters, and we went to all these different places and whatnot.

00:17:51.780 Yeah, it was, it was 2008.

00:17:53.020 So there was, we were at like a fence and there was like the civilian people that was

00:17:58.860 living in the desert and there's about six kids that ran up and it was like, like a flock

00:18:04.920 of kids.

00:18:05.480 They come up and they're like, Hey, Hey, Hey, trying to get our attention and this and that.

00:18:08.960 What's your name?

00:18:09.440 What's your name?

00:18:09.860 They're talking to Michael Bisbing and Michael Bisbing said, my name is Michael.

00:18:13.080 He goes, kid goes, my name is Michael too.

00:18:15.580 Michael Jackson.

00:18:16.560 Let me get some candy.

00:18:17.840 Like that.

00:18:18.480 And then Michael's like looking to go throw him some shit and everything.

00:18:21.940 And then the, the, uh, the people were the, the military guys like, Oh, don't feed the

00:18:26.500 kids and this and that.

00:18:27.520 And then the guy started telling us back when it was unregulated that they used to do all

00:18:31.360 sorts of crazy shit.

00:18:32.160 Like they would tie like toys and candy bars and stuff like that to, to ropes and kids

00:18:37.940 would go grab and they'd yank them and stuff like that.

00:18:40.440 Military guys would?

00:18:40.860 Yeah.

00:18:41.380 And then they all got in trouble cause they're, that's meathead shit to do obviously.

00:18:45.240 But, uh, it was weird to see that fucking, that dynamic where these kids, like they come

00:18:50.760 up and see visitors.

00:18:51.720 They'd come up and talk and then, and then, uh, uh, uh, a military dude would show up and

00:18:55.840 they'd like run.

00:18:56.720 Like it was like a flock of like animals.

00:18:58.640 Oh wow.

00:18:59.540 I was like, yeah.

00:18:59.940 Like, uh, yeah.

00:19:01.500 Almost like when the zookeeper is there, they skip off and when it's just like people watching

00:19:05.700 the animals, they come back in.

00:19:06.980 They see something dangerous and flock off and then run back and try to get some candy.

00:19:11.200 Let me get a Pepsi.

00:19:12.560 Let me get a Pepsi.

00:19:13.280 I'm Michael Jackson.

00:19:14.320 I'm Michael Jackson.

00:19:15.820 I wonder why they love Michael Jackson, huh?

00:19:18.120 I think they just know Michael Jackson.

00:19:19.720 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 I mean, he's gotta be one of the most famous.

00:19:21.780 What do you think the most famous people on the planet are?

00:19:24.340 Like Jesus Christ, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, maybe, um, Elvis Presley, Mary, maybe

00:19:31.540 that photo of Mary with like the Bay or like, you know, where you kind of see the little

00:19:35.740 crossover head.

00:19:36.820 Maybe I'm just trying to think of, yeah, like images everybody would see Muhammad Ali, Muhammad

00:19:41.620 Muhammad Ali.

00:19:42.120 Yeah.

00:19:42.740 Michael Jackson.

00:19:44.440 Um, Tyson, Tyson up there.

00:19:46.680 Tyson could be up there.

00:19:48.600 I don't know though.

00:19:49.360 I mean, it's a good question.

00:19:51.100 Yeah.

00:19:51.540 For this day and age, if you were to go over to somebody, the rock day now, the rock.

00:19:56.900 Yeah.

00:19:57.220 The rock.

00:19:57.820 He's in movies all over the world.

00:19:59.620 Ariana Grande.

00:20:00.780 Who else?

00:20:01.300 Maybe.

00:20:01.700 I don't, I can't tell you what Ariana Grande even looks like.

00:20:04.020 I would.

00:20:04.780 Well, it's probably good.

00:20:05.640 I think she's only 17.

00:20:06.920 Okay.

00:20:07.280 Um, that's probably why.

00:20:08.500 Yeah.

00:20:08.900 Hopefully I can't either.

00:20:10.340 Yeah.

00:20:11.040 He can't either.

00:20:12.180 Do you, uh, so now that you've had a year and a half away from fighting, like what are

00:20:16.660 things that you don't miss about it?

00:20:19.000 You know, that's a great, that's a great point.

00:20:22.240 There's a lot of things that you don't miss about it.

00:20:24.260 I remember having the same thing with wrestling.

00:20:27.080 It's fucking hard, dude.

00:20:28.720 Yeah.

00:20:29.040 I mean, the wrestling world is a grind.

00:20:32.400 Then you get in the mixed martial arts world and, and you're basically fighting people

00:20:37.000 every day.

00:20:38.060 So, um, your body gets jacked up.

00:20:40.540 You're cutting weight constantly.

00:20:41.740 You're constantly having to, you know, nourish injuries and things like that.

00:20:45.780 I don't miss having to do the grind, like forcing yourself to do stuff when you don't

00:20:50.420 want to do it, which some people don't do anyways.

00:20:52.380 Some fighters don't do that.

00:20:53.580 Right.

00:20:53.900 And those aren't the guys that are the top guys, but most guys that are at the highest

00:20:57.060 level have to do a lot of shit that you don't want to do to accomplish some of

00:21:01.540 the things that you do want out of life.

00:21:03.500 Okay.

00:21:03.760 So stop me.

00:21:04.560 So I want to stop you right there and just say, so when those moments arise where

00:21:07.920 it's like, you don't want to do something, what are some, what were things that you

00:21:11.240 used or things you did to do like that contrary action?

00:21:16.000 To motivate myself?

00:21:17.240 Yeah.

00:21:17.560 Even though I didn't know I didn't want to do it.

00:21:18.900 I mean, uh, just first off the, the, the bigger picture, you know, looking at, looking

00:21:26.320 at what I wanted.

00:21:27.700 I wanted, uh, to be a world champion or I wanted to have this house where, you know,

00:21:33.660 material things or having the, the family that you want.

00:21:36.920 Right.

00:21:37.180 Um, I just think about the things that motivate me and all the benefits that come to being

00:21:41.940 the, being the best at something.

00:21:43.960 Yeah.

00:21:44.440 Um, yeah, no, that's a great point.

00:21:46.000 Like if you're laying there and you think, fuck man, my alarm just went off.

00:21:48.540 I don't want to go to the gym.

00:21:49.680 Well, of course you don't want to go to the gym.

00:21:51.400 Right.

00:21:51.720 Right.

00:21:52.160 But do you want to go to the future that has you feeling of cheat?

00:21:58.260 Yeah.

00:21:58.680 Achieve.

00:21:58.880 Do I want to be, be able to go sit in, uh, by the ocean in, in a cool place in Mexico

00:22:03.680 and, and drink some beers with my chick or my buddies, uh, and not have to be working

00:22:08.800 a regular fucking job?

00:22:10.260 Yes.

00:22:10.540 Right.

00:22:10.740 Cause that might get you over that hump of, yeah, I might not want to go to the gym.

00:22:14.440 It's easy to say, I don't want to go to that.

00:22:15.840 Yeah.

00:22:16.220 But is it easy to say that I don't want to go to that bigger picture?

00:22:19.440 Yep.

00:22:19.880 And I, and, and that's for me is, is the part I enjoyed is, you know, I like the challenge.

00:22:27.080 Challenge is great.

00:22:27.780 I still, for my, for my workouts, I'm still getting in and competing with the guys that

00:22:33.980 are top dogs right now.

00:22:35.120 Do you still train like you're, I do, but just for jujitsu mostly, I'm trying not to get

00:22:39.600 hit in the head as much because that's something that you have to do is you have to get your

00:22:43.200 sparring in and stuff like that.

00:22:44.420 So I do a lot less sparring every once in a while.

00:22:47.280 I'll spar that means actually punching or kicking or elbowing or kneeing, that kind

00:22:51.340 of stuff.

00:22:51.900 And I'll do a lot of grappling.

00:22:53.860 Like grappling's fun.

00:22:54.540 Do you go to 10th Planet where Eddie Bravo is?

00:22:56.240 I've never been there.

00:22:56.940 We just competed against him though.

00:22:58.220 You did?

00:22:58.660 In Quintet.

00:22:59.460 Really?

00:22:59.960 Yeah.

00:23:00.140 Your gym competed against his?

00:23:01.420 Yeah.

00:23:01.660 My team competed against his team.

00:23:04.320 To be fair, his team was like a purebred team of his guys.

00:23:09.080 And we had some, some outside guys.

00:23:11.520 And one guy in particular, Gordon Ryan, who's like the best in the world that we recruited

00:23:15.220 on our team because we didn't have a heavyweight guy.

00:23:17.960 And we won the whole thing.

00:23:19.720 Wow.

00:23:20.000 But they won the one prior to that.

00:23:21.960 And so it's kind of a cool little rivalry.

00:23:23.460 I mean, not a fun rivalry.

00:23:24.720 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:23:25.600 And I mean, it was a paid gig.

00:23:26.860 It was, it was televised.

00:23:28.220 It was, it's a big organization in, in Japan.

00:23:30.900 And now, you know, it was on the fight pass.

00:23:32.880 It was bad-ass actually.

00:23:33.960 Now, is that that, I know they just had a trade between, who's the fighter, the-

00:23:38.640 Demetrius Johnson?

00:23:39.540 Yeah.

00:23:39.940 And Ben Askren?

00:23:40.880 Yeah.

00:23:41.220 What do you think about that?

00:23:42.040 Everybody's talking about that.

00:23:43.480 It's kind of cool.

00:23:44.680 I mean, trades, the word trade has never been even muttered in our, in our sport before.

00:23:51.700 Right.

00:23:52.020 So the fact that they're doing that is kind of interesting.

00:23:56.240 One FC is the biggest organization outside of the UFC, not here in America, but because

00:24:02.540 they have so many Asian influences.

00:24:05.220 They're in like hundreds of millions of Asian homes.

00:24:07.480 Right.

00:24:07.900 And the UFC hasn't necessarily been able to, to hit that market.

00:24:11.400 Tap that international market.

00:24:12.640 That hasn't been their focus.

00:24:13.220 Wow.

00:24:13.700 They've, they've tapped the international market, but they didn't focus just on that.

00:24:17.600 Okay.

00:24:17.900 It's like, you know, there are specialists, one FC over there.

00:24:20.680 They, they cater to a different, you know, a different culture.

00:24:25.000 And so, uh, actually Matt Hume, who is the trainer, Demetrius Johnson, he also runs one

00:24:32.780 FC.

00:24:33.480 So for that to have happened, it took some involvement with him.

00:24:38.340 Um, I think Demetrius had, had, you know, been a little, you know, disenchanted with the

00:24:43.840 UFC throughout the years.

00:24:45.400 He never was a massive draw, even though he's one of the biggest six successes in the sport

00:24:50.080 as far as winning.

00:24:50.840 So the opportunity for him to go have a career in the Asian market, he's like a video game

00:24:58.160 guy.

00:24:58.540 He's like an anime guy.

00:25:00.200 It's a perfect fit.

00:25:00.780 Uh, he's like a real quirky, you know, fun guy.

00:25:04.200 Um, it it's, it's probably a better fit for him.

00:25:06.620 And I think, you know, giving enough pushback on the UFC, you know, they've got their ducks

00:25:13.480 in a row.

00:25:14.120 Yeah.

00:25:14.460 They're going to have to pay him a lot, even though he's not the champion dude, cause he's

00:25:17.380 built himself up to that level.

00:25:18.700 So they may not see the give and the get, but it's interesting.

00:25:23.080 Yeah.

00:25:23.400 Maybe that's going to like create a bigger, yeah.

00:25:25.920 That'd be great.

00:25:26.520 Do you think it would be is, is, are those two leagues and you know, I don't know that

00:25:31.080 much about it.

00:25:31.800 So are those two leagues, um, would it be a thing where every year that they have a fighter

00:25:37.440 that goes against each other for like a, it has an overall, like a new belt or something.

00:25:44.160 Has that ever been a thing?

00:25:44.960 I mean, it's a possibility.

00:25:45.820 I would say probably not unless one buys the other, which I don't see happening.

00:25:52.800 I see.

00:25:53.420 But, um, but they have in the past, I know that Dana White went over back in the day

00:25:57.560 when pride was big.

00:25:58.520 Pride was like the big show in Japan.

00:26:00.380 It was bigger than the UFC back in the day.

00:26:02.480 And I know Dana had taken over Chuck Liddell as a UFC representative to go fight Alistair

00:26:10.180 Overeem over in Japan.

00:26:12.620 So there's been stuff like that.

00:26:14.340 You know, when you're dealing with individuals that are, that have the say, you can do whatever

00:26:21.000 the hell you want.

00:26:21.700 Right.

00:26:22.140 I was like negotiating with these guys.

00:26:23.820 It's always like, well, we can't do that.

00:26:25.220 It's against policy.

00:26:26.060 I'm like, Dana, like, this is your company.

00:26:28.260 You can do it.

00:26:28.980 You can do whatever the hell you fucking want.

00:26:30.400 Wow.

00:26:30.620 You know, and it was Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta.

00:26:33.560 Well, that's not company policy.

00:26:35.480 And, and, but yet they bend the rules all the time.

00:26:39.360 So could it happen?

00:26:40.800 Absolutely.

00:26:41.320 Is this super rare?

00:26:42.660 Yes.

00:26:42.960 And also Ben Askren is a guy that talked a bunch of shit on Dana White back in the day

00:26:48.520 and kind of got himself banned.

00:26:50.380 They said because he was too boring, which they say, you know, cause he was a wrestling,

00:26:55.120 like a racing based guy, but it was really, he talked a ton of shit on Dana White.

00:26:59.460 Like Dana White on the UFC.

00:27:00.740 Right.

00:27:01.280 It was like, you go to your bot, your future boss and be like, you're a fucking idiot.

00:27:05.340 Yeah.

00:27:05.840 You fucking, fuck you and your whole family.

00:27:07.540 Yeah, it doesn't help.

00:27:08.100 And they'd be like, Hey, can I get a job though?

00:27:10.420 Like, I know like Nick Diaz, I know has always been like outspoken kind of against things.

00:27:14.120 And I think, you know, sometimes it's put him in like a tough spot, you know, it's

00:27:17.360 put him in a tough spot, but you know, it's like, you know, I mean, he speaks from

00:27:21.140 the heart, you know, I mean, not trying to switch to Nick or get you to talk about

00:27:24.020 that or anything, but I just remember being in a conversation with him one time and he

00:27:26.880 was like very outspoken about that sort of thing.

00:27:29.680 Dude, that guy wears it on his sleeve.

00:27:31.160 Oh man.

00:27:31.500 There's no faking it with him.

00:27:32.740 Uh-uh.

00:27:33.120 And that's also the unpredictability.

00:27:35.680 It's like playing Texas Hold'em.

00:27:38.400 Yeah.

00:27:38.620 And you got your cards in the, on the middle.

00:27:40.680 Like my brother, you know, had a, uh, little mental illness at one point.

00:27:46.220 He was just being unpredictable and, uh, but he's smart as hell and didn't really care.

00:27:54.180 And you don't know these blood, he knows how to play the game, but he do unorthodox shit

00:27:58.780 where he'd like, sometimes he'd go all in and sometimes he'd just fold or whatever.

00:28:03.320 You don't know what the fuck he's doing.

00:28:04.540 Like it made him a great poker player.

00:28:05.600 It made him a great poker player.

00:28:06.560 You can't, you don't know what he's doing.

00:28:07.480 And that's the Diaz brothers.

00:28:08.700 Yeah.

00:28:09.060 Like they really are like, well, fuck you.

00:28:10.940 Yeah.

00:28:11.240 I'm not fighting.

00:28:12.360 Like then everybody wants to see the fight.

00:28:14.380 Then I'll slap someone in public.

00:28:16.260 And then it's like, then everybody wants to see the fight.

00:28:18.680 And they're like, well, fuck you.

00:28:19.500 We're not, we said we're not fighting for the money.

00:28:21.100 And then they'll go nine rounds at a produce section.

00:28:23.620 You're like, what is this?

00:28:24.420 Yes.

00:28:24.820 One of the best fights is when Diaz fought, uh, I forget the guy's name.

00:28:30.320 Oh my gosh.

00:28:31.000 I can't remember.

00:28:31.460 I'm forgetting the name.

00:28:31.900 They fought and Diaz lost the decision, even though, oh, it was Frank.

00:28:36.820 Uh, it was, it was Riggs, Joe Riggs, Joe Riggs and Nick Diaz.

00:28:40.880 They fought each other in the ring in 2006 or something.

00:28:44.740 Then they both go to the hospital after a close fight that I think Riggs got, but Diaz

00:28:49.760 thought he won.

00:28:50.340 Then they fight in the hospital in the emergency room.

00:28:54.240 One of the best before and after fight stories.

00:28:56.960 And do they have the video of them in the emergency room too fighting?

00:28:59.400 Uh, I don't know, but there's probably a story if you, if you look it up, but that's great.

00:29:02.960 Uh, so I think you can see them like talking to shit, being held back.

00:29:06.460 Oh yeah.

00:29:07.520 You know, what's funny is about, uh, you know, or what's it, what's unique as you're talking

00:29:12.740 about this.

00:29:13.240 When I think about Nate Diaz, I think about him more talking shit than I do fighting.

00:29:19.700 When I think about him in my head, it's like if somebody is like, oh, Nate Diaz, the picture

00:29:23.100 that pops me in his head is like almost, yeah, him fucking, you know, like him being him more

00:29:29.060 than it is like a, uh, like a memory of a certain fight of his or something.

00:29:32.540 It's kind of interesting because other fighters, the same thing doesn't happen as much.

00:29:36.680 Hey, you know, when you think of cowboy, you think of a cowboy hat.

00:29:39.800 When you think of the California kid, you think of blonde hair smiling.

00:29:42.760 Yeah.

00:29:43.060 When you think of Nick and Nate Diaz, you think of middle fingers and, and, and heads up

00:29:48.960 talking shit.

00:29:49.660 So, you know, they're, they're branding, whether they're trying or not, they're doing their

00:29:53.340 thing.

00:29:53.860 Yeah.

00:29:54.020 It's almost pure.

00:29:54.880 Yeah.

00:29:55.060 And it's almost a pure branding.

00:29:56.780 Yeah.

00:29:57.200 I actually like that was one of the first fighter people that I ever met was Nick Diaz and I was fascinated

00:30:02.480 by him.

00:30:02.820 Well, there's Nick and there's Nate.

00:30:04.180 Yeah.

00:30:04.640 Yeah.

00:30:05.040 And I know that I'm friends with both of them.

00:30:07.540 Yeah.

00:30:07.940 And, uh, they're really different.

00:30:09.560 I mean, they come off, they're, they're one as a unit when it's them against the world.

00:30:13.400 Yeah.

00:30:13.760 But like, as far as like getting to know them, like Nate is way more mild than Nick.

00:30:20.220 Right.

00:30:20.680 And he's a little bit more like, you know, dependable as far as like showing up to places

00:30:24.440 and whatnot.

00:30:25.100 Yeah.

00:30:25.340 And then Nick is like a savant.

00:30:26.660 Like he can tell you about health food and he can tell you about jujitsu and he knows

00:30:30.700 fighting like, like that's his thing.

00:30:32.880 Yeah.

00:30:33.440 But he's kind of out there sometimes.

00:30:35.080 It's kind of a weird dynamic, but, um, they're fascinating brothers, man.

00:30:39.620 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 They're fascinating.

00:30:40.840 Yeah.

00:30:41.020 One thing.

00:30:41.400 Yeah.

00:30:41.640 But when you said he wore, he wears his heart on his, on his sleeve, man, it's exactly

00:30:45.280 what I thought about him.

00:30:46.100 Like I could, like one minute he was like the toughest guy and one minute he was also like

00:30:50.300 at the same time kind of, um, I don't want to say the sweetest guy cause I don't mean it

00:30:54.800 like that, but he was like the most endearing, endearing.

00:30:57.540 Yeah.

00:30:57.640 Like emotionally right there.

00:30:59.340 Like it was, it was almost fascinating to be around that.

00:31:02.280 I've never met anybody really like that.

00:31:03.940 Yeah.

00:31:04.220 No, it's a, it's a, it's a good dynamic.

00:31:06.420 I've always, you know, been, been rooting for those guys.

00:31:10.360 Yeah.

00:31:10.780 And, uh, yeah, you can't, yeah.

00:31:12.180 After talking to him, I rooted for him.

00:31:14.080 So I've rooted for him and almost anybody he knew so much in a weird way.

00:31:18.300 Yeah.

00:31:18.660 Um, they're very endearing.

00:31:20.080 Um, so now that, now that you've gotten out of fighting, did you start, was there a point where

00:31:24.720 you started to like, look at business after did you start to like, you know, do things

00:31:30.540 preemptively?

00:31:31.740 Um, I did.

00:31:32.360 I definitely was preemptive of the business and it was more out of a means.

00:31:35.840 Like if you look back at me from a business standpoint, my first business was top of the

00:31:42.360 line coaching TLC.

00:31:43.960 And I started that when I was a struggling fighter, just graduating college.

00:31:49.080 I, I basically was getting paid a couple hundred bucks to show up a couple hundred bucks to

00:31:53.180 win selling tickets.

00:31:55.320 Uh, I, that in Tahoe, is that the place you're talking about?

00:31:57.320 Or no, that's in Sacramento.

00:31:58.440 Okay.

00:31:58.640 Sacramento.

00:31:59.140 Yeah.

00:31:59.740 So, so I was coaching UC Davis wrestling.

00:32:03.580 I was an employee for the, for the college making $7,000 a year working 10, 10, that's,

00:32:10.800 that's, that's, that's way below poverty.

00:32:14.180 Damn dude.

00:32:14.560 That's sex trafficking.

00:32:15.560 Yeah, that is less than sex trafficking.

00:32:17.920 That is low money, man.

00:32:18.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:19.420 So I'm doing that.

00:32:20.980 Then I, then I'm bussing tables, uh, at, at Inc., which is a little late night place,

00:32:27.140 sometimes till four in the morning.

00:32:28.540 After wrestling practice, I go and I started TLC, top of the line coaching.

00:32:32.180 I'm coaching kids at two different schools, cash under the table.

00:32:36.100 And then in the summers, I'm working wrestling camps and the wrestling camp I was talking about

00:32:41.660 making a, you know, a grand or two doing that.

00:32:45.260 But for me, I graduated college with a great degree and I'm just like, I'm like living

00:32:51.840 the fucking dream, dude.

00:32:53.440 Like I don't have a job.

00:32:55.540 But I'm just hustling.

00:32:56.440 I'm working like 17 hours a day, but I just, I'm, I'm skating by and I'm not getting, I

00:33:01.200 don't have a job, right?

00:33:02.380 Right.

00:33:02.720 I see what you're saying.

00:33:03.360 My appointment's like, I mean, my, my apartment's like 250 bucks a month.

00:33:07.340 I took a crappy little room in a, in a, in a apartment with two of my buddies from college

00:33:13.100 and, um, you know, you must have had a positive attitude during, I mean, that seemed like something

00:33:17.940 you must've had, like a real, like almost a disposition that you were born with or something

00:33:21.420 because yeah, some people would look at that as like, fuck, I got to do all this work.

00:33:25.720 It seemed like you were looking at it as like, oh, this is great.

00:33:28.180 Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:33:30.220 And, and, you know, I, I remember, and I talked about before the thinking big thing, like how

00:33:34.520 big are you thinking?

00:33:35.420 Like the people I've met, I've met billionaires and, and successful movie stars and musicians

00:33:40.820 and, and clothing moguls and, and, you know, all these different walks and it's, that, that's

00:33:47.720 a, the positive mental attitude is part of it.

00:33:49.820 And then definiteness of purpose, like knowing what you want, like going after that, that,

00:33:54.960 that thing that you want or having your vision for yourself.

00:33:57.700 And all through high school and college, I had a late start in wrestling and I always

00:34:01.940 write down my goals and I don't know what it was in, in high school, I would write down

00:34:06.780 my goals and I always wanted to be, you know, an all American top eight in the state.

00:34:13.400 That was once I got to be, be able to think that big, but I never wrote down be a state

00:34:18.640 champion.

00:34:19.080 I don't know why, you know what I mean?

00:34:20.400 Which is weird.

00:34:21.520 It's, it's, you know, no one else in my school had gone to the state.

00:34:24.140 But you're skipping a step, all American, you're skipping the step of state champion, right?

00:34:27.360 I, I, I didn't skip that step.

00:34:29.280 Right.

00:34:29.440 I never got that far.

00:34:30.800 Oh.

00:34:31.520 Being an all American is top eight in the nation.

00:34:33.620 Top eight in the nation.

00:34:34.480 Top eight in the state.

00:34:34.760 Right.

00:34:35.060 Oh, top eight in the state.

00:34:35.900 And then, and then.

00:34:37.980 State champion is the winner of that.

00:34:38.840 State champion is the winner of that.

00:34:40.220 And I wrote down to be top eight as my biggest goal.

00:34:43.700 It was, it was first to get to the state tournament.

00:34:45.960 It's a big goal.

00:34:46.460 It's a big goal, but it's not big enough.

00:34:48.200 You know what I mean?

00:34:49.160 Like, cause I was working just as hard as the state champions and I had the gifts that have a state

00:34:53.700 champion.

00:34:54.440 I was, you know, I had, I was doing extra shit.

00:34:57.400 I'd get up in the morning.

00:34:58.200 I'd run to school, ran like 13 miles to school one day.

00:35:02.120 Dude, they, this reminds me, they had a guy on, he was on, um, the UFC, the fight show that you guys did.

00:35:06.620 What was it called?

00:35:07.960 Ultimate Fighter.

00:35:08.620 Ultimate Fighter.

00:35:09.180 They had a guy named Sam, um, a long time ago.

00:35:12.900 He was like kind of this big, he was from Alaska and he went to Louisiana.

00:35:17.240 Sam Hoger.

00:35:17.840 Yeah.

00:35:18.620 When I went to Louisiana state, he was there and I remember he would, this was made me think of this.

00:35:23.580 He would run across campus with his girlfriend on his back in the morning, bro.

00:35:28.380 And you would see him running across just to stay in shape.

00:35:31.760 And he was the first person I ever met in my whole life.

00:35:34.620 Uh, he was a really sweet guy that talked about UFC and MMA.

00:35:37.260 And he would, when people heard him talk about it, it was almost like listening to somebody like

00:35:40.720 that had come from a mountain, like talking about a rare thing they'd seen in the woods.

00:35:44.920 Yeah.

00:35:45.400 Like that's when it was so premature.

00:35:46.760 This was 2002, you know, 2001.

00:35:49.240 Yeah.

00:35:49.400 I went, I went to Sam Hoger's gym years back and had done a seminar for him.

00:35:54.380 But, um, yeah, that's funny.

00:35:55.940 And it's true.

00:35:56.560 Like you do these extra little things and you're, and you're a gifted athlete.

00:36:01.580 I was a really gifted athlete.

00:36:02.840 Yeah.

00:36:03.220 And I was raised up healthy and I, um, but why did I not put down champion only top eight?

00:36:09.440 Right.

00:36:09.620 That's weird.

00:36:09.960 Then I went to college and I, I, and I, I had, I lost a four guys in my state tournament.

00:36:16.280 Jeez.

00:36:16.900 In my, in my call, in my high school career.

00:36:19.380 Yeah.

00:36:19.680 And that ain't super great.

00:36:20.880 Three of the guys, three of the guys came to the same college I went to and, which is

00:36:27.100 crazy.

00:36:27.860 And then, you know.

00:36:30.040 So you were training, so you were working with champs pretty much every day.

00:36:33.340 I was, I was working with champs, but the point was I got there and when I, when I, when

00:36:37.860 I went there, when I went there, three of the guys that beat me in high school, um, and

00:36:41.720 placed better than I did came to the same school.

00:36:43.840 So, and I set a new set of goals, which is to beat those guys and beat the other guys

00:36:48.380 and this and that on my team.

00:36:49.820 Right.

00:36:50.080 Again, I started low, started low, started low.

00:36:51.820 And I got to a point where I beat out all those guys.

00:36:54.880 I earned myself a scholarship.

00:36:56.960 I made it to the national tournament and then, which was my goal.

00:37:01.300 And then I wrote a goal to be an all American, which was top eight.

00:37:05.260 Again, why did I not put number one?

00:37:07.640 Yeah.

00:37:08.160 Isn't that bizarre?

00:37:09.380 So now looking back then, what is that?

00:37:11.660 Cause sometimes I'll think about that kind of stuff.

00:37:13.680 Like sometimes like, it's kind of weird.

00:37:15.320 Like, you know, I'll think about like, you know, I want to be, you know, great.

00:37:20.260 Right.

00:37:20.800 But then I almost get.

00:37:22.160 It's scary to say it.

00:37:23.140 Yeah.

00:37:23.660 But, but it's also, I don't want, this is interesting.

00:37:27.660 I'm trying to feel this and think about this at the same time.

00:37:31.160 Like if I say that I'm great, I don't want to, or if I think that I can be great, it's

00:37:36.320 almost like for some weird reason, I'm, I don't know if I'm ashamed to say that.

00:37:40.760 It's true.

00:37:41.440 It happens.

00:37:42.500 Like, I'm trying to think of what that feeling is that would make me, you know, like admit,

00:37:46.860 like, what's the fear to admit that?

00:37:48.660 Fuck, I want to be good.

00:37:50.240 The fear is this.

00:37:52.440 First off, the fear, it's a double-edged sword.

00:37:55.920 If you never say it, there's no accountability.

00:37:57.640 It's a lot easier not to say something because then no one's going to point and say, hi, you

00:38:02.760 fucking, you, you, you failed.

00:38:05.020 Damn.

00:38:05.140 It's just like my relationships I'm in.

00:38:06.800 It's just like, I don't want to say like I'm in this for the depths of it because, wow,

00:38:12.920 it's crazy.

00:38:13.520 It's crazy.

00:38:14.040 It's crazy that, that commitment level and realizing, and that's what I realized after

00:38:19.240 my fight career.

00:38:19.840 I went in and I, I beat a guy, I beat two guys that were national champions the next year

00:38:24.340 and all Americans and this and that.

00:38:25.600 And this is in wrestling.

00:38:27.260 This is in wrestling.

00:38:27.920 Right.

00:38:28.200 And so what I went to, to my, my next phase of life in my next thing I was going to go after,

00:38:33.320 which was unrealistic as fuck.

00:38:35.480 And now that, that's what I'm talking about with thinking big.

00:38:37.880 Why the hell would I choose a career?

00:38:41.500 And in mine, this is 2003.

00:38:43.300 It was illegal in California at the time.

00:38:47.540 UFC fighting, cage fighting.

00:38:49.260 Mixed martial arts.

00:38:50.020 It was, yeah, all that stuff.

00:38:52.000 It was illegal at the time.

00:38:54.000 In the biggest show, they only had a weight class of 170 pounds a night and I was 133

00:38:59.460 pounds.

00:39:00.420 And there was only three shows a year.

00:39:02.460 Right.

00:39:02.880 200 bucks was the prize.

00:39:04.420 And, and, and, and the big period, in the, in the big show, there's three shows a year

00:39:08.840 at the big event.

00:39:10.020 And the biggest prize is 150 grand.

00:39:12.940 Right.

00:39:13.140 And yet here I am graduating college with a degree from a great university and saying,

00:39:19.000 I want to make this my career.

00:39:20.600 Now, did you think, how stupid is that?

00:39:23.000 Yeah, it doesn't.

00:39:23.560 Well, here's what I'm, then here's my question is, did you think though, that it was going

00:39:26.740 to be an actual career at that point?

00:39:29.740 Or did it seem like this is just kind of a wild thing that's going on in the world right

00:39:35.420 now?

00:39:36.540 Like you can't, I mean, you don't know that it's going to grow.

00:39:39.780 So, you know, when somebody asks you to come down to the ballpark and play a game of like

00:39:42.880 unique six on six or football or something, you don't know, maybe years later, it's going

00:39:47.020 to be the NFL, you know?

00:39:48.400 Well, perception is everything.

00:39:49.920 And so, mind you, 2003, 150 grand is still pretty good money.

00:39:57.060 Oh yeah, it's great money.

00:39:58.140 You're like, oh my gosh.

00:39:59.620 That being said, I also got my emergency teaching credential.

00:40:02.080 2018, that is still extremely good money.

00:40:05.080 Yeah.

00:40:05.760 So I also have my emergency teaching credential.

00:40:07.780 So I was going to start substitute teaching for like 11 bucks an hour.

00:40:10.500 Right.

00:40:11.100 Then I took my first fight and I beat up this kid in a minute and a half and forget that

00:40:16.840 I had trained all through high school and college as a wrestler.

00:40:20.700 Yeah.

00:40:21.020 In my mind, it was a minute and a half of work and I got paid 400 bucks to show up and I

00:40:27.000 got paid 50 bucks.

00:40:28.740 I made 450 bucks, almost 500 bucks in a minute and a half.

00:40:33.200 That's the way I saw it.

00:40:33.980 And I had all my buddies there and a bunch of hot chicks and I'm the center of attention

00:40:39.760 and I like got my endorphins going.

00:40:41.620 I'm like, this is fucking it.

00:40:43.400 I'm going this route.

00:40:44.840 This is it.

00:40:45.600 What?

00:40:45.900 You know, like, so is it, it's about perception.

00:40:48.840 Now, when you have money in the bank and you're looking at, what the hell was I thinking?

00:40:52.940 But at the time, I was going passion, all passion and just thinking big, you know?

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00:43:32.900 I'm trying to think, uh, well, I'll get back on the, what I was saying about, well, you

00:43:38.180 ended up at perception, right?

00:43:39.540 Yeah.

00:43:39.700 The perception thing.

00:43:40.800 And, and, and perception is fascinating to me because that's, I mean, it's the thing

00:43:43.960 you talked about a couple of times, you know, like looking at the big picture, you know,

00:43:48.180 like, and just perceiving things like that.

00:43:50.680 Uh, because that's the thing that I, that I even noticed in myself and it's a constant

00:43:54.480 battle is when I'm in a good mindset and I'm able to perceive the bigger picture and actually

00:44:00.020 like be brave enough to even admit to myself that I want to try and like, yeah, be great.

00:44:05.700 It's scary.

00:44:06.200 And then other moments where I get fallen.

00:44:08.280 Yes.

00:44:09.280 Yeah.

00:44:09.740 Yeah.

00:44:09.940 It's like, it's, it seems fascinating to be great, but it also just, yeah, something

00:44:14.080 seems really scary about it.

00:44:16.680 So is other people keeping you accountable, then also you've said it out loud.

00:44:22.040 Then you also know to be great at anything.

00:44:24.400 I don't care what it is.

00:44:26.360 It could be, you know, anything.

00:44:28.100 I met some of the best video gamers on the planet and I got to talk to them about what

00:44:31.860 they're doing.

00:44:32.460 You know, even you, you know, I, I, I, I set it up on your path to where you are now

00:44:37.600 and it was, you know, a lot of stuff over, you know, 15 years.

00:44:43.940 Yeah.

00:44:44.420 Uh, and people get discouraged.

00:44:46.240 People get tired of the hard work.

00:44:48.940 Uh, some people can't, can't do that push.

00:44:51.720 And, uh, so when you do that accountability and you say it, then that changes things.

00:44:55.940 And that's what I did when I got out of college, I realized, so now I'm coaching at the college

00:45:00.940 and I'm seeing guys that I beat that, that are all American and national champions and

00:45:07.740 stuff like that.

00:45:08.480 And I know that I've worked harder than these guys.

00:45:10.900 Cause you're realizing you're in their classroom.

00:45:12.200 You're realizing you beat them and these are guys are doing well.

00:45:15.080 Yeah.

00:45:15.320 And I'm like, why did I not put down the champion thing?

00:45:17.760 So I, I set my new goals.

00:45:19.460 I'm living in my little apartment, um, bus and tables at Inc.

00:45:23.060 I'm coaching kids and I'm, and I'm coaching wrestling, working like 17, 18 hours.

00:45:27.120 And, uh, and I wrote down my goals.

00:45:29.760 It was be a world champion at the time.

00:45:32.300 It was UFC or pride.

00:45:33.300 Cause those are the two big organizations.

00:45:35.380 I said, own two houses the next three years.

00:45:39.800 And that's hard to do, but the rest.

00:45:41.680 Yeah.

00:45:42.060 And then I said, uh, that's a lot.

00:45:43.860 Oh, you think owning two houses harder than being the world champion?

00:45:46.240 Well, I mean, yeah, these days, this is where we talk about perception and then, and then

00:45:52.620 the last one was on a, a healthy and successful business.

00:45:57.360 This is funny.

00:45:58.520 It is funny.

00:45:59.220 See what I'm saying about perception?

00:46:00.540 It's like, well shit, that's easy.

00:46:02.400 It's very easy to be the world champion of, of, of the hardest sport in the world, but you

00:46:07.600 want to own two houses?

00:46:09.260 Are you crazy?

00:46:10.580 Been in LA too long, dude.

00:46:11.780 You've been in LA too long.

00:46:13.000 I think that's what it is.

00:46:14.000 That's it.

00:46:14.860 Yeah.

00:46:15.060 I think at these LA prices, it would seem a lot more feasible.

00:46:18.040 Yes.

00:46:18.500 Come to Sacramento.

00:46:19.480 We got a spot.

00:46:20.200 We'll, we'll build this podcast from the gym.

00:46:22.360 I love Sacramento, man.

00:46:24.260 Uh, let's, so we have questions that came in from some fans.

00:46:26.700 We're not aborting our conversation, but I just want to, uh, chop some in here and there.

00:46:30.380 Uh, you can put these headphones on actually.

00:46:32.220 Cool.

00:46:32.740 And you'll be able to hear one of the ones that came in.

00:46:35.300 Gang, gang, Rat King, Theo, thank you for taking the video call.

00:46:38.900 You're right.

00:46:39.260 Just as much.

00:46:39.820 Thank you to you.

00:46:40.920 Hey, by the way, I'm liking Andre Feeley.

00:46:43.000 He's got them hands, boy.

00:46:44.160 You got them relaxed Cobras on the end of his fucking arms, his little nubs, by the

00:46:48.120 way.

00:46:48.580 I'm sorry.

00:46:49.140 Anyway, two questions guys, real quickly.

00:46:51.340 Do you have any books or conditioning tips or anything that you would recommend that I

00:46:55.860 can read and take in for my first fight?

00:46:58.340 I'm trying to get it by mid January.

00:47:00.080 Uh, thank you in advance, uh, as well.

00:47:02.800 Any tips on real, uh, real estate investing, you know, anything that you'd know, you wish you

00:47:07.460 knew, uh, when you started getting into your guys's, uh, monetary endeavors, you know what

00:47:12.360 I mean?

00:47:12.980 Uh, that could go for both of you.

00:47:14.480 I appreciate it.

00:47:15.520 Thank you very much for everything that you guys do.

00:47:17.380 Huge fan again.

00:47:18.600 Gang, gang, baby.

00:47:20.000 Rat King to the day I die.

00:47:21.820 Damn, bro.

00:47:23.200 Wow.

00:47:23.700 That's your boy.

00:47:24.740 All right.

00:47:24.960 It is my boy.

00:47:26.340 I hope he's, I hope everything's doing okay.

00:47:28.380 No, I'm excited.

00:47:29.300 He's more fired up about, about my life than I am.

00:47:32.400 Yeah.

00:47:32.700 Uh, but those questions are almost, it's almost crazy.

00:47:35.380 That's the questions that came in because we just stopped right here on real estate.

00:47:38.680 So, and I know that that's part of the world that you're in.

00:47:41.120 Right.

00:47:41.360 And so, uh, what were his questions again?

00:47:43.440 One was if you had any real estate investing advice that you wish you had known earlier.

00:47:46.920 Right.

00:47:47.300 And then he said also any good books or things that you should do to prepare for a fight.

00:47:51.160 Yeah.

00:47:51.360 Fitness, nutrition type.

00:47:52.860 And he also said, what's up to Andre Touchy Feely?

00:47:55.560 Yeah.

00:47:55.860 You'll love Andre Feely.

00:47:56.900 We'll get him on the show at some point.

00:47:58.340 He's a unique man.

00:47:59.460 Is he?

00:47:59.980 Unique mofo.

00:48:01.000 Really?

00:48:01.200 He's got an outcast and underdogs, uh, music label and his clothing.

00:48:05.640 That guy looks like an outcast and underdog.

00:48:08.100 Oh, that's perfect.

00:48:09.140 One of those guys.

00:48:09.500 Yeah, he must be a fan.

00:48:10.320 He said that he was.

00:48:11.300 Yeah, he's a fan of his.

00:48:12.160 But, um, there's a lot of good books.

00:48:14.380 I mean, there's, I like Napoleon Hill.

00:48:17.320 Um, you know, he wrote Three Thinking Grow Rich.

00:48:20.020 But he has the, also the laws, I forget the, I forget the rules of success.

00:48:25.300 That's what he talks about, positive mental attitude.

00:48:28.240 And, um, uh, yeah, there's Touchy Feely right there.

00:48:31.540 Oh, wow, that's him?

00:48:32.240 Yeah, Touchy Feely.

00:48:33.040 I just produced a movie and we put Feely in it.

00:48:35.640 He kills.

00:48:36.040 I'll show you guys the trailer of this movie.

00:48:37.400 Bangor, what is it?

00:48:38.400 Uh, is that the movie?

00:48:39.020 No.

00:48:39.420 No, it's called Green, uh, it's called, uh, Green Fever.

00:48:42.980 It's not out yet.

00:48:43.860 Okay.

00:48:44.320 Yeah, I got him.

00:48:45.360 I was just in the Rocks movie.

00:48:46.920 You were?

00:48:47.460 Yeah, that was sick.

00:48:48.300 But let me get back to this guy.

00:48:49.560 Okay, yeah, get back to this.

00:48:50.460 So, even outside of books, though, what are practices, I think, that, you know, like,

00:48:54.280 because anybody can know a book.

00:48:55.380 I want to know what you know.

00:48:56.480 I would say, for a guy like that, he seems like he's passionate and a happy dude.

00:49:02.360 You got to understand about commitment levels.

00:49:04.500 And I talked to, uh, there's Coach Lee Kemp.

00:49:07.140 He has a book.

00:49:08.040 Mm-hmm.

00:49:08.400 Um, it's called, I think, Winning Gold.

00:49:11.100 He's a three-time world champion.

00:49:12.600 That's a good one.

00:49:13.540 Anything you can read on Dan Gable.

00:49:15.260 That's another guy who's, who's-

00:49:16.820 Yeah, he was one of the best wrestlers ever.

00:49:17.920 Wrestlers of all time.

00:49:18.640 Both Lee Kemp and Dan Gable were both two of the best wrestlers of all time.

00:49:22.480 And the commitment level these guys had is what set them apart.

00:49:26.460 Wow.

00:49:26.600 Just deciding they're going to do something and then just, just going after it.

00:49:30.520 So, those are two things.

00:49:31.680 And then I would say, you know, you got to put yourself in uncomfortable positions.

00:49:36.100 Some people hate to run.

00:49:37.160 I like to run.

00:49:38.520 I mean, I hate to run the way I run because I run until I'm, like, fatigued in a short

00:49:42.860 period of time.

00:49:44.380 And, uh, I would do some, some hard pushes where your lungs are blown out.

00:49:47.960 Do five-minute rounds as fast as you can for as long as you can.

00:49:51.020 Five-minute rounds of what?

00:49:51.900 Running?

00:49:52.480 Three rounds, yeah.

00:49:53.760 Yeah.

00:49:54.080 Of five.

00:49:54.720 Because he's probably fighting.

00:49:55.580 He's probably going to fight three-minute rounds, but.

00:49:57.480 That's that fear running, bro.

00:49:58.580 Yeah.

00:49:58.640 Or you could give somebody a fucking hatchet in your neighborhood a dude that's trouble, you

00:50:02.160 know?

00:50:02.540 And fucking run from that dude, bro.

00:50:04.340 Yeah, he'd get that one.

00:50:05.160 If you wanted to get old school with it, you know, do that, do those hatchet runs.

00:50:09.740 Um, so, so, so those are some of the things you say, like physically that the guy could

00:50:14.020 do to start to challenge himself.

00:50:15.320 Yeah.

00:50:15.600 And I, and I would say, you know, I just, I just watched a Ted talk when I got over here.

00:50:20.600 Look for as many of these motivational things as you can get, because it all ties in together.

00:50:24.860 Like we're talking about, um, you know, you got to believe that you're going to win.

00:50:29.440 You really got to believe it in your heart.

00:50:31.480 And then, you know, you have to go out there and do it.

00:50:33.980 So, uh, I would say, you know, get on some of these subjects on, on, on the internet and

00:50:39.180 start, you know, book on tapes, uh, stay motivated, stay motivated, find motivators, find motivators,

00:50:45.820 and then get yourself out of your comfort zone when it comes to fitness and whatnot.

00:50:49.840 When you got into business and stuff, did you start to realize like, here's one thing

00:50:53.320 that I've learned, like, or started to question and see that there's things that I'm not good

00:51:00.040 at and to let some of those get help with some of those, let somebody else do some of those.

00:51:05.240 Cause I come from this thing where it's like, I'm afraid to let anything go.

00:51:08.520 Right.

00:51:08.800 You know, like it's just, uh, it's not my nature.

00:51:12.120 Yeah.

00:51:12.520 How did you, did you have moments where you came to that or were you, did you always kind

00:51:15.320 of, was that always just part of your flow?

00:51:16.600 I've always, I've always been pretty good at delegating just because I'm, I feel like I'm

00:51:21.080 real self-aware and I understand my, my strengths pretty well.

00:51:26.720 And I know some of my weaknesses and I'm also not afraid to share in things.

00:51:30.620 So, um, which is sometimes it, it comes back to bite you, but as a general rule for me,

00:51:36.480 it's worked out, you know, I'm okay to give inclusive, give something to someone to help

00:51:42.020 motivate them as long as they're pulling their weight and they're like-minded and I trust

00:51:45.880 them and stuff like that.

00:51:46.840 Yeah.

00:51:46.960 We just gave Nick two raises this year.

00:51:48.680 So nice.

00:51:49.640 Yeah.

00:51:50.000 That's not bad.

00:51:50.940 Yeah.

00:51:51.280 And we asked, we told him he can't ask for one for another year.

00:51:53.900 So that was the best part of the second one.

00:51:57.180 But the workload keeps increasing.

00:51:58.640 So we may have to talk about that.

00:52:00.080 You give, you get, right?

00:52:01.620 Yeah.

00:52:02.040 There we go.

00:52:02.960 But, uh, yeah.

00:52:03.740 So, so for that delegating is a big thing.

00:52:06.040 And then on top of that, just always, just like the fight game, you're just always trying

00:52:10.640 to improve, you know?

00:52:11.600 And I've been learning that I've learned, I've taken some hard knocks in the business

00:52:14.960 world, just like in the fight world.

00:52:16.540 Really?

00:52:17.080 And, and it's been, you know, having conversations like this.

00:52:20.440 I'm part of something called EO.

00:52:21.960 It's entrepreneurial organization.

00:52:24.320 And I'm like the low man in the totem pole.

00:52:26.900 We meet like once a month.

00:52:28.480 There's, I believe 11 of us in the group, all from different walks of business.

00:52:34.140 And we share information.

00:52:36.800 We, there's like a gestalt way of, of communicating, which means we talk about our experiences, not

00:52:42.900 like giving advice necessarily.

00:52:44.160 You have to like speak from your own experiences, what you've done, like, oh, like I had this

00:52:49.380 happening, like, oh, I had an experience that I can relate to where I was doing this and

00:52:53.400 someone tried to sue me and you have to share your experiences.

00:52:56.700 I learned a lot from other people.

00:52:58.380 Um, but the truth is like, you know, a business is 90% of the time, just a group of people.

00:53:07.380 And I mean, there's products and there's this and there's that, but you have to, you know,

00:53:11.700 work with managing people and be able to delegate and be realistic what you're, you're good at

00:53:15.820 and what you're not.

00:53:17.040 Um, you ever heard of the shoestring millionaire, the guy that, you know, the guy that made

00:53:21.600 It's not a rapist, is it?

00:53:23.560 Uh, I don't think so.

00:53:25.500 Yeah.

00:53:25.800 We could Google that though.

00:53:27.840 Sorry.

00:53:28.980 No offense if anybody's a rapist or sorry, but no, I don't know what I'm talking about,

00:53:32.900 but I feel like murders and rapists always get like some of the craziest names.

00:53:36.240 Some of the coolest names.

00:53:37.120 Yeah.

00:53:37.380 That would be a good one.

00:53:38.580 Shoestring millionaire.

00:53:39.600 The shoestring millionaire rapist.

00:53:41.540 Crazy.

00:53:42.060 Yeah.

00:53:42.500 The whole backstory to that is, is, could be great.

00:53:46.320 Well, maybe we'll make a Frenemy movie about it.

00:53:49.100 You could be the, uh, shoestring millionaire.

00:53:51.600 Yeah.

00:53:52.200 That'd be good.

00:53:52.900 I got that.

00:53:53.400 Yeah.

00:53:53.680 I'll be the guy that catches you in.

00:53:55.660 I could see that.

00:53:56.640 Yeah.

00:53:57.000 The eager detective.

00:53:57.640 Weird twist at the end.

00:53:58.180 I rape you.

00:53:58.860 Yeah.

00:53:59.260 Oh, bro.

00:54:00.780 And this is where Nick's salary goes up because this is where he comes in.

00:54:06.000 A pinch hit.

00:54:06.860 Yeah.

00:54:07.560 So, uh, do you, have you found that you enjoy one more than the other being a businessman or

00:54:13.280 being a fighter or do you find that really they were the same thing and you're just doing

00:54:17.760 two different actions?

00:54:19.100 Uh, I think it's kind of the same thing.

00:54:21.040 As long as you're passionate about both, you know, I've been passionate about the business

00:54:24.640 side of things.

00:54:25.380 And again, I started out my business through necessity.

00:54:28.740 I needed to start coaching kids, TLC.

00:54:31.200 Right.

00:54:31.440 Then I ended up doing alpha male shirts while I was selling tickets and shirts to make,

00:54:36.560 raise money when I was fighting.

00:54:37.840 Right.

00:54:37.960 You're already selling a ticket.

00:54:38.840 Let me sell you this shirt as well.

00:54:40.080 Then I started a, uh, a gym where I brought in a guy that, that wanted to start a gym.

00:54:46.060 He put up the funds.

00:54:47.020 I put in all the sweat equity.

00:54:48.400 My dad did the construction for, for a cheap price.

00:54:51.380 I helped, you know, you know, dig holes and build stuff in addition.

00:54:55.840 Then I started a management company, um, before anyone knew who I was.

00:55:00.580 And then, you know, it spurred into more and more things and just learning out of necessity

00:55:05.220 how to survive on my own terms.

00:55:07.060 And for me, the bit, being a businessman is the same as, as the fight game.

00:55:11.860 It just allows me to live the life that I want to live on my terms.

00:55:16.140 When I, when I want to do things, uh, who I want to be with, you know, that kind of thing.

00:55:21.560 And that's, that's what I'm always fighting for.

00:55:23.820 And that's what I'm always pushing for is the ability to do that for the rest of my life.

00:55:27.760 And of course you have to do stuff like we talked about that you don't want to do

00:55:31.440 in order to do the things that you want to do, but you want to try to get those down

00:55:36.360 as minimal as possible over time.

00:55:38.280 I feel like Joe Rogan's a good example of that.

00:55:40.340 Yeah.

00:55:40.640 I mean, that's a guy that he loves fucking fighting.

00:55:43.680 Yeah.

00:55:43.860 He loves making people laugh.

00:55:45.200 He loves interesting, weird shit and like talking about it.

00:55:48.040 He's so curious.

00:55:48.980 Yeah.

00:55:49.040 Like smoke weed and do martial arts.

00:55:50.820 Yeah.

00:55:51.360 Whatever.

00:55:51.840 And that's how he gets paid.

00:55:53.100 And time travel.

00:55:54.020 I have a feeling he also.

00:55:54.780 Yeah, he might time travel.

00:55:55.640 Oh, I bet low key.

00:55:56.900 He has a dude in his warehouse fucking tinkering with clocks right now.

00:56:00.900 There is no doubt that Rogan one day is just going to fucking set a watch.

00:56:06.360 He might be your dad.

00:56:08.020 Oh, dude, it would be crazy.

00:56:09.620 What if he already went back and he's your dad?

00:56:11.920 What if one day he just shows up with a tattoo of his family on his arm and I'm in one of

00:56:15.440 the pictures?

00:56:16.560 What?

00:56:19.580 Yeah, he is a fascinating man.

00:56:21.160 One of the gifts I noticed he has is the constant ability to stay curious about things.

00:56:26.720 He's curious about everything, you know?

00:56:28.540 Yeah.

00:56:29.080 And he genuinely is.

00:56:30.220 Like it's almost, I don't know if that's a gift or something that he nurtured over the

00:56:33.220 years, but yeah, he has the ability to stay curious about everything.

00:56:36.880 But also, yes, he's created a life where that fits the life that he wants.

00:56:40.920 Right.

00:56:41.220 Like he doesn't take on like television shows and that kind of shit.

00:56:44.300 Like they're always throwing that stuff towards him, you know?

00:56:46.640 So, um, but he's like, I'm per, this is what I want.

00:56:49.960 Yeah.

00:56:50.360 Does what he wants.

00:56:51.180 Yeah.

00:56:51.480 And that's, that's, that's through a lot of hard work and dedication and probably doing

00:56:54.860 some things he didn't love to do at points here and there and, and finding his way.

00:56:58.980 I had a conversation with him one time.

00:57:01.020 It was about, I think he's talked about it where he was talking about, you know, getting

00:57:04.760 involved in buying our team.

00:57:06.280 And we had a conversation this, and then I got mad at him for something he said on one

00:57:10.860 of my fights.

00:57:11.660 And it was a stupid, immature conversation we were having.

00:57:14.980 And it was just me and him.

00:57:16.720 And at the end of the day, he goes, man, I don't care about money.

00:57:19.880 He goes, the whole reason he goes, I don't do things for money.

00:57:22.360 He goes, the whole reason I have, you have fuck you money.

00:57:25.400 So you can say, fuck you.

00:57:26.200 I don't want to do it.

00:57:28.620 Which is awesome.

00:57:29.640 I like him a lot.

00:57:30.740 And he, he's been a, he's been a, uh, you know, a big part of the mixed martial arts world

00:57:35.520 for a long time.

00:57:36.280 Yeah.

00:57:36.760 Yeah.

00:57:37.040 It's interesting.

00:57:37.680 He kind of, uh, you know, we were just talking about this earlier that if there was ever like,

00:57:44.200 um, like if the world was going to end and everybody was going to listen to one guy, like,

00:57:48.060 where are we all going to meet up at?

00:57:49.500 Yeah.

00:57:49.720 I feel like it would be Joe Rogan.

00:57:51.020 Yeah.

00:57:51.580 Like if Joe Rogan's like, Hey, I'll see you guys in Denver in six days.

00:57:54.580 Well, you at least, well, I don't know about that.

00:57:56.860 Like I would, I would say, I would count that he wasn't trying to hoax us and like say,

00:58:03.400 go there.

00:58:03.840 And he's really has to go somewhere else to say.

00:58:05.360 That's true.

00:58:05.620 Uh, I, I count that.

00:58:07.180 I, I trust that he wouldn't do that.

00:58:09.020 But do I know that, that I believe that his idea is the best?

00:58:12.820 I don't know.

00:58:13.300 Yeah.

00:58:14.120 That's true.

00:58:14.780 Because he gets on some fucking tangents sometimes where I'm like, are you serious?

00:58:19.700 Like, what's this, where's this coming from?

00:58:21.640 Yeah.

00:58:21.880 I remember he asked me one time, man, the hardest thing sometimes is to keep up with like,

00:58:26.460 what's going on when I go on his podcast.

00:58:28.180 It's like, it's hard to like, um, yeah, he just likes to think he's like, you think you're

00:58:32.840 the only Theo Vaughn out there?

00:58:34.940 I'll tell you what, you're not the only Theo though.

00:58:37.020 Yeah.

00:58:37.480 My dad's Theo.

00:58:38.440 Is he really?

00:58:38.880 That's my dad's name.

00:58:39.880 Oh, wow.

00:58:40.860 Theodore Faber.

00:58:42.540 He's first generation American from Holland.

00:58:44.880 Yeah.

00:58:45.100 It sounds very, that's Dutch.

00:58:46.180 You guys are Dutch?

00:58:46.700 Yeah.

00:58:47.340 Oh, dude, the Dutch.

00:58:48.340 I'll say this.

00:58:48.880 Most aerodynamic people in the world, bro.

00:58:51.020 Yeah.

00:58:51.440 Usually.

00:58:51.980 Kind people, really kind people too.

00:58:53.940 Oh, the decent Dutch they call them.

00:58:55.460 Yeah, the decent Dutch.

00:58:56.500 And very cheap from what I understand.

00:58:58.360 Oh, really?

00:58:59.060 Yeah, going Dutch.

00:58:59.880 Oh, going Dutch.

00:59:00.540 Going Dutch.

00:59:01.600 That's when you make the chicks pay her share.

00:59:04.240 Yeah, making ladies pay for half of it.

00:59:06.040 And they're also the tallest group of people on the planet.

00:59:09.340 And I ironically got my short side from my four foot ten great, great grandmother,

00:59:14.700 or great grandmother on the Dutch side.

00:59:16.320 And my Italian grandfather was nearly seven foot tall.

00:59:19.880 Dang.

00:59:20.320 You can still grow, though.

00:59:21.620 You can still grow.

00:59:22.600 I just got lucky.

00:59:23.420 You never know.

00:59:24.080 I never have to hit my head on anything tall.

00:59:26.140 I'm limber.

00:59:26.920 I'm quick.

00:59:27.420 Yeah, that's true.

00:59:28.420 You can also, you can be Halloween things.

00:59:30.040 Perception.

00:59:30.400 You can be things at Halloween that other people can't be.

00:59:32.180 Exactly.

00:59:32.720 You know?

00:59:33.300 Jump out of weird stuff.

00:59:34.560 Yeah.

00:59:34.880 I could hide in a pumpkin.

00:59:35.900 You could hide on somebody's, yeah.

00:59:37.620 You could hide on, let's go to a call, actually.

00:59:40.040 Actually, we have a call I think is going to fit this.

00:59:41.740 Hey, Uriah.

00:59:42.700 This is Noah up here in Cleveland.

00:59:44.760 I'm huge fans of you both, and I have a question for Uriah.

00:59:47.700 Yeah, I'm particularly not a very tall guy, and I know you're not either.

00:59:52.580 And I was just curious if growing up, if you ever had like little man syndrome or if

00:59:57.100 your size or stature ever affected you in any way.

01:00:00.740 All right.

01:00:01.100 Gang gang, Theo.

01:00:02.180 See you, Uriah.

01:00:03.160 Peace, brother.

01:00:03.680 All right, brother.

01:00:04.120 Nice guy.

01:00:04.600 You know what?

01:00:06.080 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:00:07.260 I never really had that, and I think it's because I'm delusional.

01:00:11.840 Yeah.

01:00:12.300 You know what I mean?

01:00:13.160 And I've been known for that.

01:00:14.120 My guys make fun of me and this and that.

01:00:15.680 I think I did a great practice when I got my ass kicked or something like that.

01:00:18.960 But my brother's 5'11".

01:00:21.260 My sister's 5'9".

01:00:22.960 Oh, she's hogging inches.

01:00:24.840 Yeah.

01:00:25.540 Come on.

01:00:26.420 You can be 5'6", babe, and help your freaking sibling out.

01:00:29.500 Yeah.

01:00:30.600 But you didn't ever have it.

01:00:32.200 I didn't really have it, no.

01:00:33.400 And I think it was because I always got treated with a lot of respect.

01:00:37.320 I never really was the guy that got picked on.

01:00:40.300 I had the gift of gab.

01:00:41.800 I also was a good athlete.

01:00:44.300 When I was young, I used to do a lot of, like, I used to do commercials and, like, runway

01:00:49.620 models.

01:00:50.200 Entertainment.

01:00:50.820 That kind of stuff.

01:00:51.780 So I always had a lot of confidence.

01:00:54.040 But I will say, you know, I have experienced, like, just other people thinking that way.

01:01:02.820 Like, it would be shocking to me when somebody would be like, oh, well, how is it, you know,

01:01:07.560 like, mention it.

01:01:08.300 And I'm like, I just, it doesn't factor to me.

01:01:10.500 I remember I had a training camp back in 2005.

01:01:13.600 There was Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture was out there, Frank Trigg, Quentin Rampage Jackson.

01:01:20.720 Jesus.

01:01:22.260 James Sandman Irvin, Scott Smith.

01:01:25.900 Oh, we got you right here, actually.

01:01:26.940 I'm going to interrupt you.

01:01:27.360 Yeah, all these guys.

01:01:28.660 All these individuals that were there at this event.

01:01:32.560 And Frank Trigg was the smallest one, but he's a 70-pounder in the UFC, which means he

01:01:37.260 walks in at 190.

01:01:37.720 70 pounds?

01:01:38.560 170.

01:01:39.540 Oh, jeez.

01:01:40.020 He was 170 pounds.

01:01:41.460 God, dude.

01:01:42.020 Yeah.

01:01:42.780 I'm like, where is this?

01:01:43.500 That'd be like your cousin, the neck guy.

01:01:45.220 Yeah.

01:01:45.820 Oh, Daddy Longneck?

01:01:47.560 Daddy Longneck.

01:01:48.340 Dude, he's coming in.

01:01:49.080 He actually, he just hit, like, 90 pounds.

01:01:51.000 But 70 pounds, I'm like, who's on these City of Hope fights?

01:01:54.880 I remember all the other guys were big guys, right?

01:01:57.600 Right.

01:01:57.840 Like heavyweights and light heavyweights, and he was a 170-pounder.

01:02:00.960 And I told him, I said, hey, bro, tomorrow I got a bunch of guys our size coming.

01:02:04.980 And remember, I was 133 pounds, and he goes, would you stop saying that?

01:02:09.200 You and I are not the same size.

01:02:14.060 That's what Frank Trigg told me.

01:02:15.440 I'm like, damn, I guess you're right.

01:02:17.800 And then I'll see pictures, and I'll be like, oh, that guy's about my size.

01:02:20.320 Yeah.

01:02:20.700 Like, I thought that with Tom Hardy.

01:02:23.980 Tom Hardy, I'm like, Tom Hardy's about my size, and Dan Bilzerian.

01:02:26.660 I'm like, dude, Dan Bilzerian's my size.

01:02:28.920 And then I'll see a picture next time, and I'm like, oh, fuck.

01:02:31.520 Never mind.

01:02:32.820 But, dude, this is so crazy, because this all is, like, it's perception, man.

01:02:37.980 Like, your perception is this bigger picture perception, even of yourself.

01:02:42.180 Yeah.

01:02:42.420 Yeah, even unrealistically like that.

01:02:44.260 I mean, I literally, I was like, dude, I met Bilzerian, this was years ago.

01:02:48.540 You're like, you got my size.

01:02:49.700 And I'm like, dude, Bilzerian's short, man.

01:02:52.120 He's my size.

01:02:53.760 And then I told someone, I go, yeah, he's just a little guy.

01:02:56.520 He looks bigger on, you know, in videos and everything.

01:02:59.260 And then I later took a picture to send to my buddy of me and Dan, and I'm like, oh,

01:03:04.860 wait, never mind.

01:03:05.520 He's got me.

01:03:06.400 How much different height is there between the two?

01:03:09.120 Do you know?

01:03:09.720 I can look it up.

01:03:11.120 Probably about four.

01:03:12.740 It's kind of fascinating, though.

01:03:13.780 Yeah, it's almost like a, like, just having that ability, that bigger, but not only having

01:03:21.300 a bigger idea, but having that bigger idea, like, infiltrate your perception.

01:03:27.180 Right.

01:03:27.400 So the bigger idea almost, it's not just a thought, it's like this more, more rounded

01:03:34.520 thing that lives in you.

01:03:36.000 Right.

01:03:36.720 You ever, what's the, what's the book?

01:03:38.700 What, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

01:03:39.940 What's the book that-

01:03:41.640 With Jack Nicholson?

01:03:42.280 With Jack Nicholson.

01:03:43.100 Yeah.

01:03:43.500 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

01:03:44.260 Yeah, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and the Indian guy never talks.

01:03:47.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:48.420 We had to read that book in school, and the Indian guy saw Jack Nicholson's character as

01:03:57.540 so much bigger than he was, just because it was just, he had a presence about him, you

01:04:02.100 know?

01:04:02.340 I think maybe I have that going for me.

01:04:04.160 I don't know.

01:04:04.680 But I mean, there's definitely been moments where I've been in some fights before, where

01:04:08.780 you're from different, I mean, street fights I'm talking about, where you're from different,

01:04:12.840 like, when I got to college, I come from a small town, and I've also been, I went to

01:04:16.700 the same elementary school for, from kindergarten to sixth grade, everybody knows who you are,

01:04:21.300 you know, there's like, there's an awareness of who you are, and no one really messed with

01:04:24.780 me, I wasn't a big fighter growing up, but no one would mess with me, that's, I mean,

01:04:28.460 if they would, they'd be in a fight probably, but it didn't happen very often.

01:04:31.200 But you weren't out picking fights, you weren't that, you weren't like an asshole kind

01:04:33.660 of kid.

01:04:33.980 No, I was like, you know.

01:04:34.980 Just a person.

01:04:35.720 Yeah, just, just nice guy, we lived in a small town, and I remember getting to college, getting

01:04:40.720 in the bar scene, and everybody has different rules of engagement, too.

01:04:44.320 There's a kid from the rich area in San Fran, there's a guy from the ghetto, there's a guy

01:04:47.940 from the small town, but for me, I'm not used to somebody getting my face and trying to punk

01:04:52.180 me for no reason.

01:04:53.020 Right.

01:04:53.580 You know, I got in a couple of great fights with guys that just were playing with different

01:04:57.560 rules and had no clue who the fuck I was.

01:04:59.400 Right, right.

01:05:00.800 Like, too little, too late, you know?

01:05:02.460 Yeah.

01:05:02.860 Like, in somebody's neighborhood, you can sit right in front of someone and dangle your face

01:05:06.700 and talk shit and, like, touch noses in other people's neighborhood, as soon as you step

01:05:11.860 into a certain area, you're getting hit.

01:05:13.200 That's true.

01:05:13.700 That's so interesting.

01:05:14.560 It's interesting that it's like the mesh pot of people that come together.

01:05:18.000 You add alcohol to that, and egos and chicks around and whatnot.

01:05:21.360 Yeah.

01:05:21.820 Oh, my gosh.

01:05:22.520 Oh, that's SEC football.

01:05:23.680 Yeah.

01:05:24.860 Yeah, basically.

01:05:25.780 But no, that's interesting that different people have different rules of engagement,

01:05:28.760 and also you used a term that I've never thought of, great fight was a term you used

01:05:32.700 up.

01:05:32.840 I can't even imagine putting those two words together, actually.

01:05:35.400 But, so when some, the first time you, like, if you get hit, it doesn't, I mean, I can imagine

01:05:42.660 at a certain point, like, if I get hit in my face, bro, like, I would be, you know, first

01:05:46.940 of all, I have a big nose, so, like, that's definitely going to get hit.

01:05:49.220 No matter where they hit me, I'm fucking getting grilled in the fucking beak, you know, no matter.

01:05:53.600 But it's like, that would, like, I feel like just really make me want to shut down.

01:06:00.040 Does that kind of go away a little bit?

01:06:01.700 Were you able to stomach that a little bit more?

01:06:03.460 Well, yeah, because you know how to take a punch.

01:06:05.880 I mean, there's a lot of things to think about, but first off, pain is a different thing for

01:06:11.480 you because you've experienced probably, I've experienced a lot more pain than you have

01:06:14.800 physically just through my career.

01:06:18.040 The other thing is understanding how to position my body, how to mitigate the actual damage

01:06:23.320 done, whether I'm getting hit hard or barely slipping a punch or whatever, that changes.

01:06:29.500 The ability to be aware of what's actually happening, they say that it's not the punch

01:06:36.200 that you see coming, it's the one that you don't see coming.

01:06:38.580 That's because your brain doesn't know what the hell is happening.

01:06:41.600 When your brain sees it coming and it goes, okay, I just got hit, and it can function that,

01:06:45.920 but if you just get hit, your body's not as accustomed.

01:06:49.320 I see what you're saying.

01:06:49.860 So when I'm more used to that, I know how to body, use my position, my instincts will

01:06:53.920 allow me to deflect the blow a little bit in the correct way, not just follow instincts

01:06:58.340 that are human.

01:06:59.340 Mm-hmm.

01:06:59.580 Actually train instincts by professionals, and then it's not as big of a deal, right?

01:07:05.280 And I actually know where to hit somebody.

01:07:07.440 Right.

01:07:07.680 If you guys are curious where to hit somebody, if you want to knock them out or hurt them,

01:07:11.400 you hit them in the chin, in the upper lip, in the jaw right here.

01:07:16.320 You can sometimes do damage if you can get a guy in the temple or the back of the head,

01:07:20.180 but you don't want to hit them around here.

01:07:21.940 This is where you're going to get your hands broken by hitting somebody, which I've done before.

01:07:26.340 And so, you know, that's like, I just had Bradley Martin.

01:07:31.880 Do you know who Bradley Martin is?

01:07:33.040 Mm-mm.

01:07:33.220 Do you know Nick?

01:07:33.900 He's a YouTube guy.

01:07:36.900 He was on your podcast?

01:07:37.360 Fitness guy.

01:07:38.060 He came out and was on our podcast, and he came out to the gym.

01:07:41.540 He's got like 300 million views on YouTube.

01:07:43.640 Wow.

01:07:44.040 He can do some crazy stuff.

01:07:45.400 He's an athlete.

01:07:46.100 He's a 260-pound guy.

01:07:47.860 Mm-hmm.

01:07:48.600 He's like a real athlete on top of being a bodybuilder, but he's a real character, too,

01:07:53.440 and a business guy.

01:07:54.340 Huh.

01:07:55.400 Fascinating.

01:07:55.760 You know, we're talking about, you know, the fitness stuff, and it's like, he's like,

01:08:01.760 I think I want to learn how to do this and do that.

01:08:03.480 And he's like, do you think you can beat me up?

01:08:05.880 And I'm like, I'm like, I mean, there's only one way to find out, you know?

01:08:11.240 And then-

01:08:11.840 Yeah, just guess.

01:08:12.580 That's what I would do.

01:08:14.600 That's what I would do.

01:08:16.100 And I'm like, I said, do you ever train anything?

01:08:18.880 He goes, no.

01:08:19.940 And then so we had like a little bit of a debate of like, well, I would just pick you up,

01:08:23.460 and I'd slam you down and elbow you.

01:08:25.760 And I'm like, all right.

01:08:27.280 Well, I had that experience where I had this conversation with a 300-pound guy before who

01:08:31.460 played football at Davis.

01:08:32.340 We were both washing the courts for work on the tennis courts in college, and we're out

01:08:40.100 there, and we're talking about this subject, and he's saying, I'd just grab you by your

01:08:42.920 neck, and I would just grab you by your neck, pick you up, and slam you.

01:08:47.700 And I'm a Division I wrestler at this time, and he's a star football player, like a defensive

01:08:52.620 lineman or offensive lineman.

01:08:53.980 And this ain't Tom and Jerry either.

01:08:55.760 No, yeah.

01:08:56.780 His name's Eric Trollia.

01:08:58.320 Trollia, if you're out there, what's up, buddy?

01:09:00.220 And so we're out on the courts washing, and I've got my shoes off and my shirt off.

01:09:06.240 I'm just wearing shorts, and he's in there, and he's got his shoes on, whatever.

01:09:09.340 And we're talking, and he goes, I go, what makes you think I'm going to let you grab

01:09:13.360 me by the neck and throw me on the ground?

01:09:14.640 He goes, I'll just grab you by the neck and throw you on the ground.

01:09:17.740 This and that.

01:09:18.100 And so this culminates into me and him getting into it on the cement, and he's 300 pounds,

01:09:24.100 and I'm 140 pounds, and I get behind him like this, and he goes, and he does like a barrel

01:09:34.660 roll, and I slam my hip, and I end up choking the guy out at the end.

01:09:38.660 I mean, I choked him unconscious and made him tap, and then my hip was all hurt, and we

01:09:43.100 both felt like idiots afterwards and everything else.

01:09:45.140 But then I was telling Bradley this, and he's like, I guarantee you, I can pick you up and

01:09:49.460 slam you within a minute.

01:09:51.720 And I go, all right.

01:09:53.200 It's like Hanna-Barbera.

01:09:54.180 And he's injured at this time.

01:09:55.760 Right.

01:09:56.020 Bradley is.

01:09:57.160 And so-

01:09:57.660 So you guys hit the mat?

01:09:58.740 So he's like, I can't because I'm injured this and that, but we're going to do it.

01:10:01.600 We're buddies.

01:10:02.120 We're going to do it at some point.

01:10:03.340 So I'm like, well, let me just get up.

01:10:05.280 And I go, let's just feel.

01:10:06.420 I want to feel what you feel like, grab each other, move around a little bit this and that.

01:10:10.560 And he's like, he gets the ice pack off his knee, and he stands up, and we start grabbing

01:10:17.080 each other like this.

01:10:18.840 And I did something that set him off.

01:10:23.260 Wow.

01:10:23.760 And he goes in for a double, and then he goes in and grabs me, and we almost go into the

01:10:29.560 mirror, and then he slams me on the ground and squeezes me, and I'm just chilling at this

01:10:36.620 point.

01:10:36.900 And he gets up and goes, I want my 5,000 bucks.

01:10:40.820 And I go, what?

01:10:41.960 That wasn't the competition.

01:10:43.500 Like, we were getting up.

01:10:44.120 We thought that was it.

01:10:45.040 He didn't think that was it, but-

01:10:46.460 But he was into it.

01:10:47.140 It was just hilarious.

01:10:47.800 Was he flexing a little, trying to show his worth, do you think?

01:10:50.600 We were just having fun, and I convinced him to get up so I could feel him.

01:10:55.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:55.960 Just get an idea.

01:10:56.260 Even though he was injured.

01:10:57.740 And he said that I set him off by doing something.

01:11:00.240 Oh, yeah.

01:11:00.740 And so he went full mode, and I wasn't going full mode at the time.

01:11:03.780 And next thing you know, I'm slammed on my back with this 260-pound dude just flexing

01:11:10.820 on me.

01:11:11.020 It was the funniest thing.

01:11:12.380 Could you have made him tap?

01:11:13.860 At that moment?

01:11:14.660 Yeah.

01:11:14.900 Not at that moment, no.

01:11:16.120 But we're going to find out.

01:11:17.300 I love that.

01:11:17.720 We're going to maybe televise it.

01:11:18.820 We'll see.

01:11:19.180 Yeah, I was going to say, you got to live stream that.

01:11:20.920 Dude, put it on your podcast channel, too.

01:11:22.840 It was so funny.

01:11:24.260 And I go, bro, you just won a race that no one else knew was a race.

01:11:28.540 He's like, well, you set me off.

01:11:30.560 And I go, what did I do?

01:11:31.380 He's like, you set me off.

01:11:32.560 And I'm like, all right, whatever.

01:11:33.840 Whatever, guy.

01:11:34.580 But we had, no, it was hilarious.

01:11:36.960 Dude, after you beat him, I'll beat him, dude.

01:11:39.700 That's how I'm like.

01:11:40.300 Dude, this guy, I don't know.

01:11:41.980 We have a one-minute set where he's going to try to take me down.

01:11:46.800 I like that.

01:11:47.440 And we're going to do it.

01:11:48.600 And this guy's impressive, man.

01:11:50.380 I mean, he can jump, he can do pull-ups, he's flexible, but he's 260 pounds.

01:11:56.160 Where does he train?

01:11:57.240 He has his own gym out here.

01:11:59.380 That's not that boxing burn, is it?

01:12:00.720 No.

01:12:01.300 It's not boxing.

01:12:02.200 His is more about weightlifting.

01:12:04.400 It's like an 8,000.

01:12:05.240 I think it's pretty close to here.

01:12:06.380 I'll get you the information before.

01:12:08.140 Dude, yeah, I've got to start getting in shape, man.

01:12:10.040 I'm starting to feel ashamed of myself.

01:12:11.820 Yeah, I don't like when Theo gets all fired up after we have a fighter and he starts trying

01:12:15.280 to fight me.

01:12:16.140 Yeah, because it's weird, because you guys leave.

01:12:17.480 You don't get paid for that.

01:12:18.480 Get that in your contract.

01:12:19.580 You guys leave and it's just me and Nick, you know?

01:12:23.260 And Nick was a premature baby.

01:12:24.780 He was born like probably six weeks early.

01:12:27.140 Nice.

01:12:29.000 You never know what's going to happen.

01:12:32.380 You talked about a hip injury a few minutes ago.

01:12:36.900 We had Dustin Poirier in the other day, you know?

01:12:39.100 Oh, yeah.

01:12:39.600 And I'm a big fan of Dustin.

01:12:42.160 He's a nice guy and he just wants to be the champ.

01:12:44.680 He loves to fight.

01:12:46.340 Yeah.

01:12:48.180 And he took out of the Diaz fight because of hips.

01:12:51.760 He got stem cells put into his hip.

01:12:54.580 Is that like a normal thing?

01:12:55.940 How is that kind of veered in the fight world?

01:12:58.240 Is that the same choice that you think you would make if you're not in top shape?

01:13:02.360 Do you step back from a fight and wait until you are?

01:13:04.300 Like that seems to be like the choice that's most likely to be made.

01:13:08.040 Yeah.

01:13:08.440 Depending on how bad your injury.

01:13:09.720 I've gone into a fight.

01:13:10.500 I mean, the truth is, and Dustin knows this, you're never going to go into any fight 100%.

01:13:14.860 Right.

01:13:15.160 But there's, you can always have nicks and bruises and maybe little injuries and stuff

01:13:19.440 like that.

01:13:19.820 And I've had fights in the past.

01:13:21.960 I mean, after I lost my first fight in the smaller shows, I fought seven times in one

01:13:25.840 year on these little reservations, making a thousand bucks here, 500 bucks here.

01:13:29.560 You know, that was how I was part of how I was making a living at the time.

01:13:32.620 And there's more of a necessity, but you know, when there's a lot at stake, you want to give

01:13:36.280 yourself the best chance and, uh, the best chance of recovery and everything else.

01:13:41.140 So, um, you know, I, I, I would say if the injury is bad enough, absolutely step out and

01:13:47.360 try to nourish it back.

01:13:48.600 Cause you know, it's higher, higher stakes now.

01:13:50.540 It's, it's a big deal to every single fight's the most important one in your life.

01:13:54.200 When you look back on your career, was there a fight?

01:13:56.960 Uh, if you could go back and redo one fight, is there one or even a moment in a fight that

01:14:01.200 you get that plays in your head sometimes?

01:14:03.340 Um, you know, even as a comedian, I have some moments in my head that like, oh man, like,

01:14:07.900 you know, I taped a Netflix special that I really didn't like, you know, just the

01:14:11.040 pieces didn't come together.

01:14:12.120 Right.

01:14:12.540 And, uh, and I wish I could go back and do that over.

01:14:15.980 Yeah.

01:14:16.500 Do you have moments like that?

01:14:17.460 Do you have?

01:14:17.640 Yeah.

01:14:17.780 Quite a few actually.

01:14:18.820 And I know, you know, at 44 fights, I've had some where you're more inspired than others,

01:14:23.100 especially me at a time when I was the pioneer for the lightweight fighters and my name was

01:14:28.980 the biggest in every, in, in, in the sport for, for my weight class.

01:14:32.780 Yeah.

01:14:33.080 It's like every single fight I had everything to lose.

01:14:35.560 Like everybody wanted to fight me, et cetera.

01:14:37.100 And it was sometimes hard to get up for these fights that no one knew who it was and, and

01:14:41.480 everything else.

01:14:41.960 So I've had some lackluster performances at times.

01:14:44.780 And then I've also had some, some performances where I've had some bad injuries.

01:14:48.280 Like I hit, uh, Mike Brown on the top of the head in the first round and I shattered one

01:14:55.880 bone and I snapped the other one in a five round title fight.

01:14:58.800 And I remember going back to my corner and tell my trainer who didn't speak any English,

01:15:02.140 Hey, my hand's no good.

01:15:03.820 And he told me to shut up champion, hit me in the heart.

01:15:06.660 And I go and fight five more rounds like that.

01:15:09.240 Third round.

01:15:09.860 I dislocated my thumb.

01:15:11.420 The first fight against Mike Brown, I did like a jumping back fist and overhand, right?

01:15:15.380 Like, I mean, there's been a lot of moments where like, ah, man, I wish I could do that

01:15:18.760 again.

01:15:19.100 You know?

01:15:19.580 Yeah.

01:15:20.100 Uh, ton of those.

01:15:21.560 But at the end of the day, it was always max effort was, was exhausted and that that's

01:15:27.140 comforting at least.

01:15:28.280 Yeah.

01:15:28.460 Yeah.

01:15:29.060 Do you, you know, I was talking with Dustin about this, um, about the fact that I was

01:15:33.720 looking at some photos of him after some fights and I didn't know what fights they were that

01:15:36.940 he'd been in, you know?

01:15:38.080 And I was just, he looked no matter what, he looked like he'd gone through.

01:15:43.500 It's almost like, it seems like to a guy who doesn't fight or can't fight that you go

01:15:47.080 through like a win or lose.

01:15:48.860 It's like you win.

01:15:50.760 Yeah.

01:15:51.580 In a weird way.

01:15:52.540 In a weird way.

01:15:52.580 A couple of those.

01:15:52.840 Like win or lose, just that you test yourself, that you test your metal to that point against

01:15:57.900 another man that, that, that, that is enough of a win in the end that it, uh, over it outweighs

01:16:05.000 the actual fact if you win or lose.

01:16:06.400 Yeah.

01:16:06.680 And there's guys who make whole careers like that.

01:16:08.800 I think Donald Cerrone, Clay Guida, um, you know, the, those guys in particular have, have

01:16:17.780 made careers like that where, where they're in it and become staples in the sport because

01:16:23.080 every single time they lay it all out there and they put on a great fight and they walk

01:16:27.020 away, you know, exciting.

01:16:28.840 Yeah.

01:16:29.020 Joe Lauzon's another guy like that.

01:16:30.440 Eddie Alvarez.

01:16:31.040 Would he be that, a guy like that?

01:16:31.960 Eddie Alvarez.

01:16:33.100 Diego Sanchez.

01:16:33.740 Diego Sanchez.

01:16:35.660 Um, those are guys that, you know, exactly what you're going to get when you watch those

01:16:41.800 guys fight.

01:16:42.300 They're going to let it all hang out.

01:16:43.400 They're going to get their head blown up.

01:16:45.400 I mean, Nick and Nate Diaz.

01:16:47.100 Yeah.

01:16:47.540 I mean, those guys in, in, in, there's a lot of scenarios.

01:16:50.820 I mean, you can make a case for every fight being like that, but obviously there's fights

01:16:55.020 that stand out.

01:16:56.040 I mean, it's a tough, it's a tough, tough way to, to, to make a living.

01:16:59.860 Once you even made it to the highest level, then staying there and then actually getting

01:17:03.660 paid and then being smart enough not to spend all your money and do dumb things and go

01:17:09.100 broke.

01:17:09.620 I mean, there's a lot of different ways you can screw up in this sport.

01:17:12.600 Do you, uh, do you have younger guys reach out to you now since you've had a success

01:17:17.420 after, you know, not only, you know, success in the, in the cage, sorry, but success actually

01:17:22.460 afterwards in business.

01:17:23.340 Do you have young guys that reach out to you now?

01:17:25.100 Yeah, we have a ton of guys, especially on my team.

01:17:27.760 I mean, I have guys that talk to me all the time about, uh, about business that are peers

01:17:33.240 in the fight game and, um, ask advice and stuff like that.

01:17:37.140 Um, you know, I've helped manage guys in the past.

01:17:39.660 I help guide people on our team.

01:17:42.260 We have a lot of guys that have, have started their own businesses.

01:17:45.040 Chad Mendez, for example, he has his fins and feathers hunting business.

01:17:49.280 Um, he spends all his time when he's not training to fight as an athlete, he spends all his

01:17:53.480 time, you know, doing awesome hunts, which he loves to do.

01:17:56.200 And he's, and he's created a business around that.

01:17:58.800 Andre touchy feely just got him in his first movie that I'm, that I produced the green fever

01:18:03.420 movie.

01:18:03.820 We could play machine gun Kelly in any movie.

01:18:05.720 It looks like, you know, yeah, no, he's, he's, he's got his own music label and he's

01:18:11.080 got his own clothing industry, you know, his own clothing stuff.

01:18:15.100 Um, Danny Castillo has P2O hot Pilates business.

01:18:18.980 And we have a lot of guys that have been falling in the footsteps and thinking like that.

01:18:23.200 Yeah.

01:18:23.660 Yeah.

01:18:24.060 Do you think that that's, um, more of a, like, I, like I look at some athletes now, like

01:18:29.480 I look at LeBron James and it's like, ah, he's kind of too much of a business for me.

01:18:34.140 He's not, it doesn't seem like as much of a basketball player to me.

01:18:38.260 And this is just my perception.

01:18:39.800 I just look at him.

01:18:40.600 It's like, ah, it's like watching something else go on.

01:18:44.540 It's like watching an advertisement.

01:18:46.060 Sometimes every time I see him touch the ball, whereas some players, it feels like when they

01:18:49.660 get the ball, that's a player with a basketball player.

01:18:52.660 Do you feel like that as you know, the business side of it becomes bigger that it starts to,

01:18:57.620 um, take away from the fighting side of it?

01:19:00.580 Um, it can, I mean, sorry, I got something I threw up.

01:19:08.780 It can.

01:19:09.420 I mean, it just depends.

01:19:10.680 Yeah.

01:19:10.880 It depends on the individual.

01:19:12.260 And, um, here's a guy, Conor McGregor.

01:19:15.840 I mean, his, his whiskey company is probably going to be frigging huge.

01:19:19.400 Was it proper?

01:19:20.040 Yeah.

01:19:20.320 Proper 12.

01:19:20.980 I mean, that was just a massive paid advertisement.

01:19:24.660 It really was whiskey company.

01:19:25.920 If you look at guys that have exited, you know, what who the vitamin water was what?

01:19:30.060 50 cent.

01:19:30.720 Yeah.

01:19:30.940 50 cent.

01:19:31.640 And then we have, uh, was it, was it Robert Downey Jr.

01:19:34.620 Not Robert Downey Jr.

01:19:35.500 Who did the rock was P Diddy or somebody?

01:19:37.760 Maybe there was, uh, what's the name of the actor who, who sold his, his alcohol brand.

01:19:44.000 Uh, Oh, the tequila company.

01:19:45.800 It was like a billion dollar.

01:19:47.040 Oh yeah.

01:19:47.440 Robert.

01:19:47.800 Oh, no.

01:19:48.420 Uh, the guy, he was a doctor in, um, crazy anatomy or whatever.

01:19:53.440 Ocean's 11.

01:19:54.340 Yeah.

01:19:54.560 Yeah.

01:19:54.660 That guy, George.

01:19:56.300 No.

01:19:56.920 Yeah.

01:19:57.240 This is the best, this is the best game.

01:19:59.420 You and me trying to guess something.

01:20:00.600 Yeah.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:01.680 Yeah.

01:20:02.080 Yeah.

01:20:02.120 Exactly.

01:20:02.500 You've been punched a bunch and I'm just dumb.

01:20:04.920 Yeah.

01:20:05.560 We can't figure it out.

01:20:07.060 Yeah.

01:20:07.500 What a combination.

01:20:08.180 Who sold the tequila company that made a ton of money?

01:20:10.640 The actor.

01:20:10.940 Actor.

01:20:12.000 George.

01:20:12.740 Clooney.

01:20:13.340 Clooney.

01:20:14.060 Gang.

01:20:14.500 There you go.

01:20:15.520 Dude, that's it.

01:20:16.060 Gang, gang.

01:20:16.440 Bro, fighters against people that are like people that have been hit a bunch and then people

01:20:19.920 who are just not that smart trying to guess things.

01:20:22.580 We should do our own trivia show.

01:20:23.920 It's not a bad show.

01:20:24.640 Oh, you have a podcast too, right?

01:20:26.620 I want to get the name of that out there.

01:20:27.620 Yeah, that's CaliCast.

01:20:28.860 Okay.

01:20:29.100 And we've, I was kind of stockpiling some interviews that I've done over the last year.

01:20:34.820 We just recently launched.

01:20:36.080 Oh, sweet, man.

01:20:36.660 And we talk about business stuff, fighting, entertainment.

01:20:40.340 I've really been getting into doing the movie stuff lately.

01:20:43.660 I was in the Rocks movie, just a small part called Rampage.

01:20:47.800 Okay.

01:20:48.040 And then I've got a slate of movies that I've been pushing for, you know, some producing,

01:20:52.980 some in.

01:20:53.600 Wow.

01:20:54.520 And what's that about?

01:20:55.780 Is it just, do you see, is it a cool business thing?

01:20:58.920 Is it something you've just always been intrigued by?

01:21:00.900 Where does that start?

01:21:01.700 Both.

01:21:02.340 I'm an artist, you know, I'm a martial artist.

01:21:05.940 Any real estate stuff I've done, and I have to still answer that guy's question about the

01:21:09.380 real estate, I skipped that, has been, they're all projects.

01:21:14.240 My dad's a contractor and he's worked on five different projects for me where I rip a place

01:21:21.020 apart and rebuild it with my vision.

01:21:22.680 The Dutch are hard workers.

01:21:23.920 Yeah, hard workers, absolutely.

01:21:25.840 And so I like creating things and I've always kind of been interested in that.

01:21:33.220 And I've been learning the business over the last nine years.

01:21:35.200 My manager, Mark Shulman, he's a three arts here.

01:21:37.580 I started learning from him years ago by him trying to get opportunities for me.

01:21:44.660 And I'm like, oh, that's how it works?

01:21:45.860 Like, you don't get funding unless you have a, something that's worth some cash, either

01:21:50.480 a director or producer or somebody attached.

01:21:52.460 Right.

01:21:52.680 It's all about the script and then you don't get the, you know, the distribution.

01:21:57.900 You can sell international sales and fund a movie before it's even made.

01:22:02.040 Like, there's all this stuff that you learn and you're like, oh, there's a real recipe

01:22:05.760 for that.

01:22:06.460 Like when I started fighting, there was no real recipe.

01:22:09.660 It was, you know, Indian reservations, sell t-shirts, do this, do that.

01:22:13.780 The road hadn't been paved, but entertainment, you can actually learn it and kind of conquer

01:22:19.540 it.

01:22:19.820 If you, if you understand, you know, bankable stars and you understand, you know, the distribution

01:22:25.220 and not every movie is going to be a major hit, but you can get a base hit off one and

01:22:28.820 build a kind of a, you know, a repertoire of things until you really master things.

01:22:35.460 So I've been real close on, on finishing a couple of, of projects.

01:22:41.280 We, you know, we've worked on stuff that I'd be in and people in, in scripts that I've come

01:22:45.760 up with and had other people write and that kind of stuff.

01:22:48.140 But it's just a passion for me.

01:22:49.540 Yeah?

01:22:50.020 Yeah.

01:22:50.360 I could see you in, what's that movie where they escaped from prison a long time ago?

01:22:55.740 Man of Constant Sorrow.

01:22:56.880 I am a man of constant sorrow.

01:23:00.440 Oh, Brother Where Art Thou?

01:23:01.760 Oh, Brother Where Art Thou?

01:23:03.220 Clooney.

01:23:03.540 That wasn't that old of a movie.

01:23:04.520 Oh, that's George Clooney.

01:23:05.220 I thought you were thinking of The Great Escape with, uh, oh, with, uh, Paul, uh, Clint

01:23:09.660 Eastwood.

01:23:10.620 Is Clint Eastwood in Great Escape?

01:23:12.500 Or it's, uh, the guy, Randy Newman, Paul Newman?

01:23:14.940 No, Paul Newman's in, uh, that's another one.

01:23:18.900 He, he tries to escape for, uh, Cool Hand Luke.

01:23:21.180 Yeah, Cool Hand Luke.

01:23:21.680 In every, I love, that's my favorite movie.

01:23:23.600 That was good.

01:23:23.720 And then McQueen, McQueen is The Great Escape.

01:23:26.280 Yeah.

01:23:26.560 Those are all my guys.

01:23:27.300 So like McQueen, Paul Newman, Clint Eastwood, like that's my kind of shit.

01:23:30.980 And that's the kind of movies I do.

01:23:31.600 Steve McQueen Jr. is a friend of mine.

01:23:33.040 Oh, is he?

01:23:33.540 Yeah.

01:23:33.960 Nice.

01:23:34.220 Really, really nice kid.

01:23:35.420 Escape from Alcatraz.

01:23:36.680 Alcatraz.

01:23:36.880 Alcatraz.

01:23:37.140 Was that Clint Eastwood?

01:23:37.980 Yeah.

01:23:38.380 Escape from Alcatraz.

01:23:39.140 You have a film, right?

01:23:40.120 Say you're financing a film and it's like, um, it's four guys.

01:23:44.200 It's like Shawshank Redemption 2.

01:23:46.120 Right.

01:23:46.780 Four guys are escaping from prison.

01:23:48.820 Right.

01:23:49.200 And they're all former MMA fighters.

01:23:51.000 Who's going to be in there, you think?

01:23:52.980 You have to cast it.

01:23:53.580 Current, current, the guys right now that are actually acting or just that would be fun?

01:23:57.120 No, it just would be fun, you think?

01:23:59.340 Okay.

01:24:00.000 Well, Michael Bisping is a smart ass and he's actually a good actor.

01:24:03.240 He likes to act, yeah, and he likes to act.

01:24:04.220 And he's a talented guy.

01:24:05.320 He's a freaking cracker.

01:24:06.620 He's funny.

01:24:07.460 He is.

01:24:08.000 And he'd be a good guy to have in there.

01:24:10.520 I'd like probably Nick Diaz would be good for the wild card guy.

01:24:14.220 He might like, you know, he could pop off and get him.

01:24:17.340 He might have to mess someone up.

01:24:19.140 He might be like, hey, we're going back into the prison and people are like, what the fuck?

01:24:22.580 He's the quiet guy in the van who doesn't say anything and then all of a sudden goes crazy at the end.

01:24:27.460 Yeah, he'd be a good one.

01:24:28.320 So we got four guys.

01:24:29.260 That's two down.

01:24:30.260 Bisping Diaz.

01:24:30.600 Why don't we throw Brock Lesnar in there?

01:24:32.440 He could be like the alpha male guy and then he'd pop off or he could make someone wear lipsticks and be his girl or something like that.

01:24:40.000 He could be the pimp.

01:24:41.980 He could get Brock in there and then maybe a little guy.

01:24:45.900 He'd be a little guy.

01:24:49.600 Cody Garbrandt.

01:24:50.620 He might be a guy that would be a good look.

01:24:53.600 He's got the tattoos all over him.

01:24:55.120 That's not the guy with the glasses.

01:24:56.220 That's Colby Covington I'm thinking of, right?

01:24:58.000 Who's the guy that wears the –

01:24:59.100 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:59.640 He'll put it on sunglasses sometimes for promos and stuff.

01:25:02.360 Yeah.

01:25:02.680 Kobe Garbrandt.

01:25:03.280 Not Colby.

01:25:04.140 Yeah, I never met him.

01:25:05.060 Cody Garbrandt.

01:25:05.720 Cody Garbrandt.

01:25:06.240 Yeah, and I don't want to be disrespectful to him yet.

01:25:08.280 Definitely not if I've seen his pictures.

01:25:10.380 Yeah, Cody's a bad dude.

01:25:12.060 That's awesome.

01:25:12.600 I've seen some of his fights.

01:25:13.680 I just –

01:25:14.200 The first fight I ever saw was when Diaz fought McGregor the second or third time, whatever the last one.

01:25:18.440 That's the first time you ever watched a fight?

01:25:19.720 First time I've ever watched a fight, yeah.

01:25:20.880 And then now I've been going back and learning things.

01:25:22.740 That's because you've been championing Nose to the Grindstone.

01:25:26.360 Yeah.

01:25:26.480 That's like me.

01:25:27.000 Somebody just –

01:25:27.680 I was out here in LA and somebody just texted me, are you going to the – what is it with the Dodgers in it?

01:25:33.460 Oh, the World Series.

01:25:34.340 The World Series.

01:25:35.000 And I said, I didn't know there was a World Series going on.

01:25:37.560 Oh, you mean the fights out at Chabez?

01:25:39.740 That's exactly it.

01:25:40.820 I'm like, I had no idea.

01:25:42.060 I really didn't.

01:25:42.680 I didn't know the World Series was going on.

01:25:44.320 What if there's some things – you know, as you say that, man, I think about like holidays that I sacrificed, like fun parties, staying in college even like with my friends.

01:25:53.400 I remember moving out to LA before college was even done.

01:25:57.320 You know, constant like people's birthday parties, family members, births of, you know, sibling, you know, nieces and nephews' births, just things like that that over the years I've given up because I had to stay and had to do comedy.

01:26:09.020 Yeah, I think – I mean, it's important.

01:26:11.600 I mean, here's the fine line.

01:26:13.280 And, you know, I've kept some of my friends from like old, old friends, 20, 30-plus years friends, but you don't always get to see them, but you always have that kinship and camaraderie.

01:26:25.940 And then there's people that can come into your life that are brand new that you can also build some great friendships with.

01:26:31.080 Yeah.

01:26:31.280 So for me, it's been like a sit, walk, run, bike.

01:26:36.780 If somebody wants to – like right now, you and I are on the same level.

01:26:39.820 We're sitting here and walking.

01:26:40.860 If I want to continue this conversation with you and you get up and you start walking, I've got to walk up next to you.

01:26:46.580 And then if you start running and I want to continue that conversation, I've got to run up to the side of you.

01:26:50.680 And if you get on a bike, I've got to get on the bike.

01:26:52.260 Like that idea right there, it can't take over your world, but there's some level of that.

01:27:01.020 And then, you know, hopefully you bring your friends with you.

01:27:05.740 Right.

01:27:06.020 Or you take the time or you get to a place where you can make time to go hang out with them.

01:27:12.540 But when you're going and you're going and you're going, like you've got to be traveling with the wolf pack.

01:27:18.120 Yeah.

01:27:18.380 You know, you have to.

01:27:19.340 Yeah, it's interesting, man.

01:27:20.560 It really is.

01:27:21.340 Like, yeah, and suddenly the wolf pack, you just become like one of the wolves.

01:27:23.960 Yeah.

01:27:24.480 And you don't even – it's – I don't know.

01:27:27.560 It's kind of crazy.

01:27:28.340 It's like one day somebody's an idol and the next day they're kind of like an amigo.

01:27:31.900 Right.

01:27:32.760 Yeah, it's kind of a trip.

01:27:33.700 You know, they're always a bit of an idol, but, you know, and they're always respected.

01:27:37.380 But it's like, yeah, it's like crazy.

01:27:38.940 Like people that even a year ago were like idols to me or like some of them are like kind of buddies.

01:27:43.420 Yeah, that's – I've been that way.

01:27:45.320 Roy Jones Jr.

01:27:46.140 I used to carry Roy Jones Jr.'s CD.

01:27:49.920 He used to have his CD.

01:27:52.200 He was a rapper.

01:27:52.880 But no, his DVD of his fights, his highlights, I would carry that around with me and I'd watch it all the time.

01:28:00.940 Because I'd watch it on my computer or whatever else because I just loved the way he fought.

01:28:04.860 And I'd become friends with him.

01:28:05.120 Everybody's at a party right over in the distance at a television just watching Roy Jones Jr.

01:28:09.540 No, I'd bring it to my fights.

01:28:11.400 I didn't mean I'd bring it with me to the club.

01:28:13.240 Right.

01:28:13.640 It would just get you – but no, it would get you amped up, right?

01:28:16.100 You'd get me amped up and then I'd become friends with him.

01:28:17.920 I mean, I was just –

01:28:18.580 Oh, that's cool.

01:28:18.900 Before I came here, I was just with Mike Tyson.

01:28:20.780 We were eating Chinese food at his office.

01:28:22.700 Wow, that's crazy.

01:28:27.560 Meeting MC Hammer.

01:28:28.660 MC Hammer was the guy back in the day.

01:28:29.560 He's an amazing guy.

01:28:31.140 MC Hammer's an amazing businessman.

01:28:32.860 Yeah, and he's – well, he learned through hard knocks.

01:28:34.960 Yes.

01:28:35.300 Talk about a guy that had it all and just had to learn the hard way that, you know, how to be smart.

01:28:41.080 He's fascinating.

01:28:41.680 I sat next to him on a plane one time and we talked the whole time.

01:28:43.920 Yeah.

01:28:44.240 And it was a great conversation.

01:28:45.780 You know what they say?

01:28:46.500 All the rappers, you know, MC Hammer, Hammer Time and the Pants and everything.

01:28:49.780 Yeah.

01:28:50.160 He seems like the fun-loving rapper, like almost like a Fresh Pints kind of guy.

01:28:53.680 Yeah.

01:28:54.260 But they said out of everybody, like Hammer would throw down at a drop of a dime.

01:28:59.440 Oh, fight?

01:28:59.940 Yeah, he was like a fighter.

01:29:01.420 Wow.

01:29:01.780 Like you don't cross the guy, he'd throw down.

01:29:05.000 Hammer time.

01:29:05.800 Yeah.

01:29:06.180 You never know.

01:29:06.920 That's the way it is with a lot of fighters.

01:29:08.160 You wouldn't know, you know, who you should and should not mess with until it's too late sometimes.

01:29:13.980 Yeah, that's – I get even nervous about interviewing guys in you guys' world because it's like I don't even know that much about it, you know?

01:29:19.140 Like for me, it's definitely more of a perspective.

01:29:21.900 Like it's the thing in my life I'm always afraid to do for myself, you know?

01:29:27.100 Right.

01:29:27.200 So it's fascinating that people can do it, that it's part of their just chemical makeup at some point to be able to do that.

01:29:35.440 Yeah, it's a trip.

01:29:36.240 It's a trip.

01:29:36.840 Let's go to a couple more questions and then we'll wrap it up, man.

01:29:38.560 This has been awesome.

01:29:39.980 And thank you so much for joining us, bro.

01:29:41.800 Yeah, bro.

01:29:42.180 I had another one.

01:29:43.900 You mentioned how your trainer in that Mike Brown fight, he was like, get out there even though you got a broken hand.

01:29:49.680 And we just saw recently in the Khabib-Connor fight, Duke Rufus told Anthony Pettis not to go out for the third round because he had a broken hand.

01:29:57.160 Do you think trainers should – do you think your trainer should have – obviously you won, so it worked out.

01:30:03.040 I didn't win.

01:30:03.780 Oh, you didn't win the Mike Brown fight.

01:30:05.280 I didn't win the fight, but it was one of my favorite fights looking back on because it was just – people became aware because I started throwing elbows only and I just – I lost both hands.

01:30:18.940 I dislocated my thumb on this one and I broke that one and that's like a fight that I go back on and people still ask me.

01:30:24.400 I mean that was like a long time ago.

01:30:25.960 People are like, hey, how were your hands?

01:30:27.580 I'm like, they're fine.

01:30:28.240 I had 20-something fights afterwards, but they're fine, you know?

01:30:31.040 But that's a defining fight.

01:30:32.280 But they remember that.

01:30:33.340 Absolutely.

01:30:33.700 There were multiple questions you guys touched on at first, but there were multiple questions about that from our listeners too.

01:30:39.200 But do you think the coroner has a responsibility?

01:30:42.600 Do you think they should stop it or I don't know?

01:30:45.580 What's the responsibility there?

01:30:47.140 It's very individual, you know?

01:30:50.040 And, you know, Duke Rufus is a good friend of mine.

01:30:52.280 Anthony Pettis is a good friend of mine.

01:30:54.100 And Duke knows Anthony really, really well.

01:30:59.200 So they have their own communication style.

01:31:01.960 Master Tong didn't speak a leak of English and I could have a whole couple hour conversation with the guy without speaking the same language.

01:31:08.660 Wow.

01:31:09.060 Just by I could understand the stuff he was saying and his points and everything.

01:31:12.400 I got some great life lessons from the guy without us speaking the same language, which is crazy.

01:31:17.940 Because I could get what he was saying, etc.

01:31:19.540 You know, he has a good relationship with Anthony and I think, you know, when you have a relationship like that, they know what to do.

01:31:26.580 And I know that Brian Bowles, shortly after I had my experience, he lost his world title because he thought he broke his hand against Dominic Cruz and didn't come out to the thing.

01:31:37.500 And it's just an individual thing.

01:31:39.020 I just, I didn't think about it at all.

01:31:41.860 I just, I was like, I wasn't telling him, hey, I'm done with the fight.

01:31:44.920 I was letting him know.

01:31:46.180 And he said, shut up.

01:31:47.900 Shut up.

01:31:49.180 You know, hit me in the heart.

01:31:50.220 Wow.

01:31:50.360 You champion.

01:31:50.860 And I could have won that fight.

01:31:54.000 I was very close in the fifth round.

01:31:55.280 I had a deep choke in and I just couldn't hold on.

01:32:00.700 Well, yeah, once you get in that choke, it's like a rodeo on somebody.

01:32:03.580 Is that, is that, does it sometimes start to get, oh yeah.

01:32:06.680 My hand, like we hit, we were standing, we were standing and I had it like this and we hit the ground.

01:32:11.460 It was like crushing my broken hand.

01:32:13.720 Does a choke start to become slippery after a while when you're, like when you have it on someone or when, does that become an element of a choke?

01:32:19.380 Like that depends on the choke, right?

01:32:21.500 There's a lot.

01:32:22.400 You, we should, you, we should choke you out.

01:32:23.820 You want to get choked out?

01:32:25.200 I definitely will.

01:32:26.940 Really?

01:32:27.620 Yeah.

01:32:27.980 I don't want to choke anyone out.

01:32:30.220 We could though.

01:32:31.180 Paige Van Zandt.

01:32:32.300 John Cruz Tuck did it to me.

01:32:33.680 What's that?

01:32:34.160 John Cruz Tuck did it to me one time.

01:32:35.600 Oh, I'm not going to be second.

01:32:36.680 I don't take sloppy seconds.

01:32:38.760 Paige Van Zandt let you choke her out?

01:32:40.500 No, she choked out.

01:32:42.020 She was on a military tour and she choked out.

01:32:45.360 She's like, okay, just tap when you're ready and put the dude out.

01:32:48.760 She was with Max Holloway on a tour.

01:32:50.920 That's awesome.

01:32:51.600 I used to follow her on Instagram until she got married.

01:32:53.640 I was like, I don't feel like a creep.

01:32:57.620 Let's take a couple more, then we're going to get out of here.

01:33:00.300 What up, Theo?

01:33:01.460 This is Cody calling from Michigan.

01:33:03.240 I got a question for Uriah.

01:33:05.300 I was just wondering what he thinks about this fucking Muppet, Logan Paul, thinking that

01:33:10.260 he can fight Sage Northcutt.

01:33:12.640 I just want to get a little bit of insight, see what kind of fucking joke this is.

01:33:19.600 Thanks, man.

01:33:20.560 That was a good one.

01:33:21.760 That guy should be a promoter, I feel like.

01:33:23.660 He should be a promoter.

01:33:24.460 Is that Dylan Bass?

01:33:25.800 I don't know who that is.

01:33:26.800 I'm going to have him out on the promotional tour on Sage's side.

01:33:31.620 Dude, ironically, and I hate to, because that guy is obviously on my side of that Sage

01:33:36.840 would win the fight.

01:33:37.660 Logan Paul was a high-level wrestler.

01:33:41.820 A lot of people don't know that.

01:33:42.620 He's also a big athletic guy.

01:33:44.220 He's 185 pound in high school.

01:33:47.200 Wow.

01:33:48.140 185 pounder in high school.

01:33:49.940 Then he took six in the state of Ohio, which is one of the toughest states.

01:33:54.000 Sage, on the other hand, has been fighting as a career.

01:33:57.900 Logan's been doing the social media influencer thing and everything else.

01:34:03.040 But the mindset, man, that is the most important thing.

01:34:07.800 Sage has it.

01:34:08.520 Logan has it.

01:34:09.740 Logan would be a big disadvantage, obviously, in the stand-up and everything else.

01:34:12.940 But they always want to see Sage go against wrestlers because he's not from a wrestling

01:34:18.840 background.

01:34:19.240 They think that's his weakness, et cetera.

01:34:21.040 And Logan Paul has been boxing for fun against other social media guys and everything else.

01:34:26.420 But he believes in himself.

01:34:27.780 And I actually know Logan Paul.

01:34:29.840 And I text him after his fight.

01:34:33.160 And then I text him when him and Sage started talking crap to each other.

01:34:36.140 And I think it could happen.

01:34:37.920 I could see it happening.

01:34:39.060 I don't think it'll happen in the UFC.

01:34:41.180 Sage is now a free agent.

01:34:43.560 But unless Logan doesn't want to fight him, but I think he believes in himself.

01:34:48.740 I mean, he comes off as a guy that believes in himself.

01:34:50.920 Right.

01:34:51.200 He told me, I'm a skull crusher.

01:34:53.480 Dana said he should be put in jail if he lets Logan Paul fight in the UFC.

01:34:58.920 Yeah.

01:34:59.140 I told Logan that.

01:35:00.020 And Logan was like, I'm a skull crusher.

01:35:02.540 Dana doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:35:04.080 So he really believes in himself.

01:35:04.960 So he might earn it.

01:35:06.120 If he believes in himself.

01:35:07.020 He's only 23.

01:35:08.160 Sage is 21.

01:35:09.240 I was 23, 24 when I started training for fighting with just a wrestling background.

01:35:14.320 Just wrestling.

01:35:15.120 Yeah.

01:35:15.280 And who are we if we knock somebody that believes in themselves?

01:35:17.400 Yeah.

01:35:17.680 You know?

01:35:18.040 So, I mean, I know that he has a lot of haters.

01:35:21.200 And I appreciate this guy honoring the fact that UFC is real.

01:35:25.000 And it is real.

01:35:25.820 And it's a very difficult thing to get to.

01:35:29.000 But the fact that he's got 17 million followers.

01:35:31.840 And he really believes in himself.

01:35:33.140 And he's willing to put it out there.

01:35:35.340 That's great.

01:35:35.940 If he really is willing to put it out there.

01:35:39.300 Because there's one thing to say it.

01:35:40.480 There's another thing to actually step in the ring with a Sage North cut.

01:35:43.580 And say, all right, let's throw fisticuffs.

01:35:45.860 But I think it could happen.

01:35:48.040 What do you think the odds would be?

01:35:49.220 Like, what odds would that?

01:35:50.080 Like, what, you know.

01:35:51.060 What would Vegas have?

01:35:51.740 Well, the Vegas odds would start highly in Sage's favor.

01:35:55.640 Logan Paul would talk himself up.

01:35:57.160 And he has 17 million followers.

01:36:00.940 And odds are changing all the time.

01:36:06.060 Depending on who's betting what money.

01:36:07.720 So he might be the favorite at the end of it.

01:36:09.640 If he can convince enough people he's going to win.

01:36:12.160 You could be the one to promote that.

01:36:14.120 And I feel like.

01:36:14.480 Yeah, we've been talking a little bit.

01:36:16.600 There you go.

01:36:17.480 I mean, I have to talk about everyone in the picture.

01:36:20.120 I think getting Logan to actually want to fight.

01:36:22.800 Right.

01:36:23.760 Saying you want to fight is one thing.

01:36:25.240 Actually doing it is another.

01:36:26.480 But you know what's interesting is that.

01:36:28.880 It's funny like how having one.

01:36:30.900 I could see.

01:36:31.820 I could really.

01:36:32.500 Now I could see this.

01:36:33.640 You have one career as a social media influencer.

01:36:36.820 Right.

01:36:36.880 And you've had this.

01:36:37.400 You've kind of grown up in this YouTube space.

01:36:40.260 And have millions and millions of fans.

01:36:42.700 And now you want to prove yourself in a different area of your life.

01:36:48.100 We would all go to a skill set.

01:36:49.780 We already have some.

01:36:51.500 Yeah.

01:36:51.560 You know, like if I didn't do stand up.

01:36:53.040 Maybe I would try to get into.

01:36:55.100 You know, something else that I could.

01:36:56.800 You know, I would probably.

01:36:57.540 I would pick a skill set that I have.

01:36:59.060 Right.

01:36:59.360 And work on that.

01:37:00.460 So one of his obviously good skill sets is wrestling.

01:37:03.580 And I would say, I don't know Logan to this level.

01:37:08.480 And I'm sure he's worked very hard to build his following now.

01:37:10.960 Doing whatever he's been doing.

01:37:12.060 Yeah.

01:37:12.400 Pissing people off a lot of times.

01:37:13.860 But he's been consistent.

01:37:15.740 Yeah.

01:37:15.920 Growing up and being wild.

01:37:17.080 Yeah.

01:37:17.240 Being wild.

01:37:18.000 But I guarantee you, if you ask him what the things he's worked on hardest on his life

01:37:23.560 have been, it's probably most focus and dedication has probably gone towards wrestling.

01:37:28.080 Wow.

01:37:28.220 Just because I know the wrestling world.

01:37:29.440 And I know guys like that that believe in themselves.

01:37:32.260 And I know about a state like Ohio, which takes wrestling very, very serious.

01:37:38.220 Yeah.

01:37:38.500 So, you know, I think Sage and Logan could happen.

01:37:42.140 Yeah.

01:37:42.780 Wow.

01:37:43.940 I'd watch it.

01:37:44.700 I bet it would start out at 7-1.

01:37:46.500 And I bet it would maybe break.

01:37:48.120 I would bet it could be even at some point.

01:37:49.780 Yeah.

01:37:50.120 7-1 I'd take Logan.

01:37:51.640 Dude.

01:37:52.300 Yeah.

01:37:52.980 Well, but I'll tell you what.

01:37:54.140 And Nick's lost a lot of money gambling.

01:37:56.040 Yeah.

01:37:56.460 That's very comforting.

01:37:57.480 I'm going to have to follow your leaders.

01:37:58.220 But no, it's interesting.

01:38:00.340 Look, it's interesting because where would you go?

01:38:02.700 You've already done something to a height.

01:38:05.360 Yeah.

01:38:05.660 You know?

01:38:06.080 And also, the thing about the world he's in is you have no way of defending yourself from

01:38:11.800 haters.

01:38:12.260 Right.

01:38:12.920 You either like me or I don't.

01:38:14.600 And there's no like, well, I mean, I think that's why Logan really enjoyed the process of

01:38:19.500 having that fight because he got to like defend himself really.

01:38:25.140 Because he is just a kid growing up in a world that's really judgmental and he's done

01:38:29.480 some things that have pissed some people off.

01:38:31.960 But at the end of the day, he's a human being who works really, really hard, who has some

01:38:35.800 talents.

01:38:36.380 Agreed.

01:38:36.740 And he got to go out there and it didn't matter what anybody thought, he's going to

01:38:41.140 go punch someone in the face.

01:38:43.820 It's pretty admirable.

01:38:45.160 Yeah.

01:38:45.440 It is admirable.

01:38:45.860 You know what's admirable?

01:38:46.580 Even if you want, whether win or lose, it's admirable.

01:38:49.540 Yeah.

01:38:49.920 I think what needs to happen is that fight needs to happen with Sage and Logan.

01:38:53.880 And Logan, I mentioned this, you know, raising some awareness for a charity.

01:38:58.600 Yeah.

01:38:59.060 That'd be a cool thing.

01:39:00.080 Yeah.

01:39:00.480 Because you can do it.

01:39:01.180 Yeah.

01:39:01.300 He's going to have so much power.

01:39:02.300 And we could have Theo and D'Elia versus each other on the same card.

01:39:06.300 Yeah.

01:39:06.780 You guys, what will happen?

01:39:07.840 D'Elia and Logan got into it before.

01:39:09.680 Oh, yeah.

01:39:10.140 D'Elia and Logan got into it a while.

01:39:11.300 Did they really?

01:39:11.820 Yeah, they got into just like a Twitter beef or something.

01:39:14.360 Chris D'Elia had the most favorited tweet ever slamming Logan Paul in his response.

01:39:20.720 What do you say?

01:39:22.040 I'd have to bring it.

01:39:22.620 You got to pull that out.

01:39:23.580 Because you know, Chris D'Elia and I are friends from like 14 years ago.

01:39:28.180 No.

01:39:29.180 Yes.

01:39:29.580 No.

01:39:30.040 What was Chris D'Elia like 14 years ago?

01:39:34.360 And Chris D'Elia also lost the Fighter and the Kid's Trap to me by 1% of votes.

01:39:39.060 But this was absolutely one of the best things ever.

01:39:41.540 I don't know what Chris D'Elia said first, but Logan Paul said, I'm laughing because now

01:39:46.560 I know why your comedy career took a dive.

01:39:48.700 Did it take a dive?

01:39:49.820 No.

01:39:50.480 Okay.

01:39:51.120 It's soaring, right?

01:39:51.640 That was part of Chris D'Elia's.

01:39:53.620 He was like, he started off with the wrong premise.

01:39:55.360 And then Chris D'Elia responded, at least when my career dies, you can film it and put

01:39:58.960 it on YouTube.

01:40:00.040 Because he had had the Japanese thing in the forest with the body, right?

01:40:04.300 Which I thought, who cares?

01:40:05.800 But that was a great clap by Chris.

01:40:08.840 And it blew up.

01:40:09.980 And it blew up.

01:40:10.920 Because I think also people were at that moment where they were also looking to burn him.

01:40:14.640 And Chris lives in his own universe where he likes to do his own.

01:40:17.360 You know, it was perfect.

01:40:18.520 Chris is too good at that kind of stuff.

01:40:20.320 So yeah.

01:40:21.020 But in a real fight though, Chris would be in trouble against Logan.

01:40:24.720 Against Logan, yeah.

01:40:25.440 Yeah.

01:40:26.240 But, so Chris and I go way back because there was a TV show pitched in 2004 about my block

01:40:34.840 of houses where I was building my team.

01:40:37.040 And D'Elia was buddies with all the guys that were doing it.

01:40:40.480 And they brought him along for like, as a comical piece of the director, directing thing.

01:40:46.260 He was part of the, like the, the unit that was there to film us, to create a sizzle reel

01:40:51.940 to go sell.

01:40:53.000 And so I met D'Elia back in the day.

01:40:55.040 That's so great.

01:40:56.100 And, you know, their whole crew was just there.

01:40:58.780 We had a bunch of chicks around and they were, they were trying to pick off their own chicks

01:41:01.980 at the time and everything else.

01:41:03.220 And it was just a bunch of guys that were young.

01:41:05.480 Yeah.

01:41:05.940 They were trying to do something cool.

01:41:07.440 That's interesting.

01:41:07.900 And it was before anybody knew him.

01:41:09.440 I had met his father.

01:41:10.280 His father is a producer.

01:41:11.620 Yeah.

01:41:11.900 Bill D'Elia.

01:41:12.680 Yeah.

01:41:12.900 Bill D'Elia.

01:41:13.760 And it was Bill D'Elia and, and some of Chris's friends that were kind of going on

01:41:18.440 a reality because they're more, you know, scripted based and they're trying to do a different,

01:41:23.280 different thing.

01:41:23.700 And we, we ended up pitching a show.

01:41:25.800 I didn't get taken up.

01:41:26.780 I think the UFC was kind of snuffing us at the time, but, but Chris and I knew each other

01:41:31.060 from that time and I've gone and watched his career grow and he's been awesome, man.

01:41:35.020 He's hilarious.

01:41:35.900 He's very funny.

01:41:36.780 You know what he, one thing that he has more than a lot of people is he just has extreme

01:41:40.820 confidence, you know?

01:41:41.760 Yeah.

01:41:42.440 And it really, I think it comes from having a great family and you talked about not wanting

01:41:47.120 to get in a fist fight, you know, because, Hey, maybe your father figure was, was, you

01:41:51.960 know, missing or this, or this person took off, whatever.

01:41:54.760 Like that guy comes from a very stable, like healthy, awesome family.

01:41:59.080 I mean, his dad and his brothers and everyone are super cool.

01:42:01.960 He's, he's got like a solid foundation.

01:42:03.740 That's a lot of times where the confidence comes from.

01:42:06.620 Yeah.

01:42:06.980 That's interesting, man.

01:42:08.540 Would you let your child fight one day?

01:42:10.700 I'll let my kid do whatever he wants.

01:42:12.320 I'm not necessarily going to encourage it.

01:42:13.800 Right.

01:42:14.280 It's not going to like, I'm going to like push them in that direction.

01:42:16.760 It's a tough life.

01:42:18.020 Not even, I mean, everyone who wrestles, like I want my kid to wrestle because it teaches

01:42:22.000 them life skills and this and that.

01:42:23.540 I think soccer.

01:42:25.780 Yeah.

01:42:26.040 I'll put my kid in soccer.

01:42:27.060 You can make a ton of money.

01:42:29.820 So much money being in soccer.

01:42:30.500 You can make so much money.

01:42:31.540 Everyone sees your face.

01:42:33.040 Yes.

01:42:33.420 You know, the worst that happens usually is you do a header and hit the ball or you fake

01:42:38.080 a, some of those flailing soccer players.

01:42:40.940 Oh, it's so good.

01:42:42.160 You could go anywhere in the world and play soccer and be super famous and make a ton of

01:42:46.440 money.

01:42:46.780 Yeah.

01:42:47.440 And, and it's healthy.

01:42:48.840 You're running all the time.

01:42:50.020 Yeah.

01:42:50.620 You're in the sun, the grass, soccer.

01:42:53.440 Yeah.

01:42:54.000 For a Cali boy to be indoors in a cage all the time.

01:42:56.940 That's a really, I try to do as much of my training outside as possible.

01:43:00.020 I say the training.

01:43:01.040 Yeah.

01:43:01.360 Yeah.

01:43:01.980 Forget about that.

01:43:02.860 Oh, is there anything else, Nick?

01:43:04.060 We had one from an old friend of Theo's.

01:43:06.880 Okay.

01:43:08.760 Hey Theo, what's up my man?

01:43:10.140 I have a question for Uriah Faber.

01:43:11.580 Uriah, huge UFC fan here.

01:43:13.300 Um, I wanted to know, uh, who would be the perfect opponent for you to dust off the gloves

01:43:19.300 and come back and fight in the UFC?

01:43:21.300 If money wasn't the issue, if it was just strictly, who do you want right now in this

01:43:26.120 moment, who would that fighter be for you to get off the couch and fight again?

01:43:30.440 Thank you, buddy.

01:43:31.320 And he, he sent this in a while ago.

01:43:33.560 I cut it out, but he wished you luck before your, uh, Sakuraba fight as well.

01:43:37.220 He knew all about it.

01:43:38.560 That's awesome.

01:43:39.280 Thank you.

01:43:39.680 So, you know, I go back and forth.

01:43:42.660 There's always the talk of the TJ fight.

01:43:44.900 I mean, he's the current world champion, best in the world.

01:43:47.060 And I, the reason why I fought was to be the best in the world.

01:43:50.060 Um, you know, it has to be one of the champions, right?

01:43:52.900 It has to be one of the champions that I can make weight 35 sounds like a lot, uh, a big

01:43:57.420 fight against Connor.

01:43:58.760 Connor's my buddy, but that's how you get really paid.

01:44:01.700 Um, you know, that, that would have been cool.

01:44:04.160 Uh, at this point I've never been like a animosity type of fighter.

01:44:08.320 I'm always like kind of trying to enjoy the process.

01:44:11.300 So for me, it'd be whoever is, is holding the belt at the time.

01:44:14.820 You want the strap, the strap.

01:44:16.460 And, but, but for just joy of going and be able to fight someone and not, not from an

01:44:20.480 animosity or even for like, not even if it was a championship, who's just somebody.

01:44:24.640 And it could be somebody that was stylistically.

01:44:25.900 Um, you know, I think it'd be cool to fight a, uh, a guy like Khabib.

01:44:34.020 Yeah.

01:44:34.400 Yeah.

01:44:34.640 Cause Khabib's just a savage beast.

01:44:38.020 And I like what he's all about.

01:44:39.440 He's all about pushing the pace and, and, and mental toughness and conditioning and, and

01:44:47.000 willpower.

01:44:47.680 And that's, that was my style always as well.

01:44:49.680 I could push and push and push and I don't mind if I get taken down.

01:44:54.480 I've never been ground and pounded and that kind of stuff.

01:44:57.560 So, um, I think that would be fun, a fun challenge cause he's proven himself to be the best.

01:45:02.840 Yeah.

01:45:03.280 And that's so, you know, it's, it's amazing to just even think of like, uh, that part

01:45:07.300 of like fighting someone out of admiration almost.

01:45:09.760 Yeah, that's exactly it.

01:45:10.900 And there's a lot of guys like that.

01:45:12.240 That's my grappling competition.

01:45:13.820 You don't know who Sakuraba is, but Sakuraba and I were inducted in the hall of fame,

01:45:19.000 the UFC hall of fame at the same time.

01:45:21.200 And he is a legend of the sport.

01:45:25.060 Like, like I, I had a video, like a cassette tape of him.

01:45:29.780 Um, that was like two hours long, him doing all sorts of crazy stuff.

01:45:33.200 You know who Hoist Gracie is?

01:45:34.380 Yes.

01:45:34.840 Hoist Gracie is like the founder, the first guy to win the UFC.

01:45:38.560 And he was 165 pounds and he fought in a gi.

01:45:41.720 They did.

01:45:42.080 And he was, Sakuraba was known as the Gracie.

01:45:43.820 He beat like six of them or something like that and submitted a bunch of the guys.

01:45:49.260 And so he would do stuff like flying karate chops and like spin around and like try to

01:45:54.660 drop his butt on someone's head.

01:45:56.240 And he would like, uh, he, he did a special no time limit match with the, let Gracie wear

01:46:02.240 the gi after they'd taken all that away.

01:46:04.000 And he basically tried to take his pants off and undress them during the thing.

01:46:07.780 And so he has this kind of wild style.

01:46:09.300 It sounds like one of the Marx brothers or something.

01:46:11.540 He's hilarious as well.

01:46:12.740 Yeah.

01:46:12.860 Is that pretty wild to be inducted in the same time as him?

01:46:15.200 Somebody like that you see, is it interesting when you, cause you admire somebody so much,

01:46:19.520 you look at them a certain way and then it, you can't really feel yourself right next to

01:46:24.580 like a, on a tandem.

01:46:25.420 Can you?

01:46:25.980 Right.

01:46:26.320 No.

01:46:26.500 It seems totally different.

01:46:27.500 Yeah.

01:46:27.760 Like I'm sitting there watching this guy and he was a one 85 pounder.

01:46:31.580 He was fighting these heavyweight killers and like taking out legends and, and having fun

01:46:35.480 doing it.

01:46:35.920 And then, you know, I'm stopping my career and getting acknowledged the same time he is.

01:46:41.040 And yet he was one of the guys that was like, you know, pump me up.

01:46:44.080 And then we got to compete against each other.

01:46:45.540 So we just competed in a, in a, in a grappling match to a draw, um, eight minute draw.

01:46:52.060 But, um, that was a lot of fun.

01:46:53.520 Is that the weed thing that they do with Matt?

01:46:55.280 Uh, no.

01:46:56.780 Okay.

01:46:57.320 If I, if I did the weed thing, I would probably be sleeping during the thing.

01:47:01.300 I would, if I were to smoke weed, I would smoke a little bit of weed, laugh for a couple

01:47:05.620 of minutes, eat something and fall asleep all in about 10 minutes.

01:47:08.140 Right.

01:47:08.640 I'm not a functional guy when it comes to that.

01:47:10.300 They have an underground thing where those guys that like smoke and then they'll get

01:47:13.460 on the mat and roll.

01:47:14.540 Like, uh, there's a guy Felony.

01:47:15.860 I know that everybody always mentions it gets in it.

01:47:18.420 Um, awesome, man.

01:47:20.000 I appreciate so much of your time, man.

01:47:21.400 Yeah.

01:47:21.660 And, uh, we got to get you on the Cali cast too.

01:47:23.920 I'd love to come and do it.

01:47:24.800 Where do you guys tape at?

01:47:25.760 Uh, we tape in Sacramento.

01:47:27.460 Yeah.

01:47:27.800 But, uh, have you come down there?

01:47:29.540 Maybe you can check out the gym.

01:47:30.560 Maybe make a, uh, maybe, maybe you can, do you ever do satellite?

01:47:34.220 This thing satellite or no?

01:47:35.620 Um, yeah, we could take it.

01:47:37.280 Yeah.

01:47:37.460 We're just going to start taking it on the road, uh, doing some, uh, gas, like in Washington,

01:47:40.760 DC this year.

01:47:41.760 Maybe we do something like that and you can get some of the other fighters in the gym.

01:47:44.820 I've got a Sage Northcutt.

01:47:46.020 You could ask him about the Logan Paul.

01:47:47.240 He's a crack up Northcutt.

01:47:49.060 Is he?

01:47:49.480 I mean, he is the closest thing we have to leave it to Beaver in the UFC, but he's 190 pounds.

01:47:54.800 Ripped and can like do a backflip and kick you in the chin.

01:47:58.400 Jesus Christ, dude.

01:47:59.740 If you ever, if you ever, if you ever see Sage's stuff, it's pretty incredible.

01:48:03.440 He'll do like a, he'll do like a backflip and land in the same spot.

01:48:08.120 It's really weird.

01:48:09.840 That's cool, man.

01:48:10.520 What a neat camaraderie that you saw that you, it's like, uh, a lot of it's about the camaraderie

01:48:15.820 as well.

01:48:16.060 Like the fighting is great, but it seems like there's a ton of camaraderie in these gyms

01:48:19.460 and different groups.

01:48:20.700 Yes.

01:48:21.080 Yeah.

01:48:21.380 It's, it's pretty impressive.

01:48:22.680 Well, you gotta watch, uh, Sage's nuts.

01:48:25.260 So, uh, yeah, the camaraderie is important because, you know, at the end of the day,

01:48:29.420 you're beating, you're doing something that's very difficult, very tough.

01:48:33.420 Now watch this.

01:48:34.540 Watch this slip.

01:48:38.740 Some weird slow motion video, but he lands in the same spot.

01:48:45.400 That's kind of crazy.

01:48:46.640 That's fascinating, huh?

01:48:48.160 There it is.

01:48:48.580 Oh my God, what?

01:48:50.860 That's the craziest handshake ever.

01:48:52.280 He can like, you talk about exuding good energy.

01:48:55.240 Like he can walk into any gym and he's like, Hey, someone could be trying to, you know,

01:48:59.580 talk craps or something.

01:49:00.520 Hey, that's a good one.

01:49:02.600 Like, he's so funny, man.

01:49:04.120 What's up, Mr. Faber?

01:49:04.960 Yeah.

01:49:05.120 Hey, Mr.

01:49:05.400 He calls me Mr. Faber.

01:49:06.520 Does he really?

01:49:07.220 Yeah.

01:49:07.380 He's aging me way too fast.

01:49:09.000 I'm like, I got kids all over the place now calling me Mr. Faber.

01:49:11.840 I'm like, really, Sage?

01:49:13.560 He's got my neighbor.

01:49:14.720 I had him when he first moved to Sacramento.

01:49:16.360 I had him live in like two houses down with one of my, my good friends.

01:49:20.040 They had a house in the back and my buddy Pete, um, is just a regular dude, like successful

01:49:25.640 developer guy and kind of took Sage in and, but he's like, does not want to be called Mr.

01:49:31.860 You know, Jeremy.

01:49:32.960 Right.

01:49:33.280 And so he's like, Sage, would you please stop calling me Mr. Jeremy?

01:49:37.400 And Pete's like, I mean, Sage is like, yeah, okay.

01:49:41.240 No problem.

01:49:41.720 Mr. Pete.

01:49:42.320 So now we got Mr. Pete t-shirts and we got everybody.

01:49:46.160 Everybody calls him Mr. Pete.

01:49:47.160 Now it's pretty good.

01:49:48.080 I love that man.

01:49:49.380 And that's that prize cul-de-sac where you guys, you have your, your, it's kind of a whole

01:49:52.840 squad.

01:49:53.240 We had that before.

01:49:54.480 That was, that was how the team started.

01:49:56.080 Right.

01:49:56.540 Um, you know, since moved on, that was like fraternity living.

01:50:00.580 Basically, we had five houses right next to each other and, and, uh, had probably over

01:50:05.540 50 fighters throughout the years that lived in that little area.

01:50:08.580 And guys like Chad Mendes and TJ Dillashaw and Lance Palmer.

01:50:12.900 And the list goes on of fighters that had lived on that block.

01:50:16.260 Yeah.

01:50:16.520 That's fascinating, man.

01:50:17.620 It's pretty cool.

01:50:18.580 Wow, man.

01:50:19.260 Well, I never gave the real estate advice.

01:50:20.820 Here's my real estate advice.

01:50:21.880 This is it.

01:50:22.420 My real estate advice is this.

01:50:24.800 If you're looking for an investment property, you find the worst house in the best neighborhood.

01:50:31.120 And then you have to really truly understand what it takes to, to, to do something on a

01:50:36.400 budget.

01:50:36.660 Cause it doesn't mean anything if you're getting to buy something for too much, or if you don't

01:50:40.880 know how to budget and fix something up.

01:50:42.720 So do your research, become an expert before you do anything.

01:50:46.100 Don't just buy a house cause it sounds cool.

01:50:48.000 Also don't be afraid to finance and get into debt.

01:50:50.980 But, um, you know, that's how, that's how I make big moves is, is, is not being afraid

01:50:55.640 of debt.

01:50:56.720 And, and, you know, guys like Theo or myself and, and a lot of people I've met, you find

01:51:01.780 a way.

01:51:02.220 I found a way by buying a house when I was making $7,000 a year back before the economy

01:51:07.400 crashed.

01:51:08.140 And I moved in a bunch of my buddies.

01:51:10.140 I started having more success, uh, bought the house next door, bought the house next door

01:51:14.780 and, and, and ended up creating a little real estate portfolio.

01:51:17.860 And, you know, you also create an outcome on that.

01:51:19.880 You also create a, you're also, as you're developing real estate, you're developing something inside

01:51:24.020 of yourself.

01:51:24.540 Whenever you buy something and you put your, cause it's not, you're also putting money

01:51:28.460 on the line, but you're putting your, what you think on the line, you're putting yourself

01:51:32.100 on the line, you're mortgaging against yourself.

01:51:34.440 And the same thing happened to me.

01:51:35.680 A buddy of mine and I split a property.

01:51:37.440 It was a friend that I really, really trusted financially, a good business guy.

01:51:41.160 We split a property.

01:51:42.060 We got in on about 15 years ago and we still have it.

01:51:44.720 I still have to do some, uh, you know, landlording stuff every now and then, but, um, but we

01:51:49.580 still have it and we'll be able to sell it now for a profit here, you know, 15 years

01:51:52.920 later.

01:51:53.760 Uh, but it's been, but, but, but also in the years since then I've gotten involved in

01:51:58.260 other projects because then friends start to hear, oh, he owns something.

01:52:01.800 I'm gonna ask him.

01:52:02.820 And then you're part of, you just become part of different conversations.

01:52:06.400 Then that's been kind of interesting.

01:52:08.100 Right.

01:52:08.220 And then, and then there's two different ways.

01:52:09.960 If you're going to flip, flip is dangerous because it's constantly a cashflow thing.

01:52:13.520 If you're going to flip, then you have to really know your numbers, know the market,

01:52:17.860 uh, know how long it's going to take you, know your budget, which I've messed up on plenty

01:52:21.840 of times.

01:52:23.320 If you're going to flip, if you're going to buy, fix up, sell, if you're going to hold,

01:52:28.420 that's a different story.

01:52:29.260 There's a lot more leeway in that.

01:52:30.520 You just have to make sure that the thing cash flows.

01:52:33.240 That means if it's paying for itself or it's making a hundred bucks, that's good because

01:52:36.660 you're playing on the long haul.

01:52:37.860 Yeah.

01:52:38.420 And then commercial real estate is all about the tenants that are in it.

01:52:41.440 If there's a national tenant, meaning like a big box store, like a, like a Dollar Tree,

01:52:45.960 it's better than a mom and pop store.

01:52:48.080 Like a yogurt land.

01:52:48.840 Yeah.

01:52:48.980 Yogurt land or something like that.

01:52:50.380 So, um, that's a whole nother animal.

01:52:52.740 So, uh, you just got to be smart and educate yourself.

01:52:55.660 Don't just buy a house cause it sounds cool.

01:52:57.560 Yeah.

01:52:57.940 And you'll start to meet parents who can do other stuff.

01:53:00.120 Like I don't know anything about commercial real estate, but now I could maybe reach out to

01:53:03.680 a Urien and ask him if I had some questions, you know?

01:53:05.720 And so that's another thing you'll start to learn.

01:53:07.580 It's like, um, and people most of the time want to share the advice that they have or

01:53:11.200 suggestions.

01:53:12.680 Uh, and that's one thing that's, um, that's kind of fascinating is how much people want

01:53:16.860 to give away what they learn.

01:53:18.460 Yeah, absolutely.

01:53:19.660 And people take it, they say everything, you know, all originality is borrowed.

01:53:23.680 And I talk about this in my book, you know, a lot of times people will, they love talking

01:53:29.240 about their knowledge.

01:53:30.080 It's, it's kind of like a, uh, an, an honor to, to say, yeah, I know something.

01:53:34.280 I'd like to tell you about it.

01:53:35.280 So don't be afraid to ask and, uh, don't be afraid to tell.

01:53:38.940 Yeah.

01:53:40.280 Awesome, man.

01:53:40.880 Sage advice, Sage Northcutt, Uriah Faber.

01:53:44.360 Um, I think we covered everything.

01:53:46.240 Thank you so much for being here, man.

01:53:47.280 You got it, bro.

01:53:47.820 Thanks for having me.

01:53:48.440 A big fan.

01:53:49.160 Yeah.

01:53:49.480 I mean, look, dude, I'll come up to sack, bro.

01:53:50.840 I'll be there.

01:53:51.340 I'll be there probably in the spring.

01:53:52.640 Okay.

01:53:52.880 We'll get you working out too.

01:53:54.040 And you, you, you do, uh, shows out there.

01:53:56.660 Yeah.

01:53:57.180 You let me know.

01:53:57.760 We'll bring the whole gym out, man.

01:53:59.220 Wow.

01:53:59.700 Oh, we got a bunch of influencers on that team.

01:54:01.780 I loved it.

01:54:02.240 We, whenever, whenever we have Craig Robinson or Rogan or anybody that comes up, we'll always

01:54:07.200 go support.

01:54:08.000 Dude, that's awesome, man.

01:54:08.960 I want to get choked out by somebody too.

01:54:10.660 Yeah.

01:54:10.900 That'd be cool.

01:54:11.380 We'll maybe have a girl do that to you.

01:54:12.980 Come on, bro.

01:54:13.900 Yeah.

01:54:14.180 That'd be good.

01:54:14.420 I mean, if she's cute.

01:54:15.400 Yeah, exactly.

01:54:16.640 Actually, even if she's not, bro.

01:54:18.540 Actually, yeah.

01:54:19.080 Maybe not that cute.

01:54:20.400 Yeah.

01:54:20.860 Okay.

01:54:21.360 All right.

01:54:22.060 We got a little bit of everything.

01:54:23.380 Okay.

01:54:23.700 Okay.

01:54:32.240 We got a little bit of a cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this

01:54:39.500 peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little time

01:54:50.460 For me to set that parking brake And let myself unwind

01:54:57.140 Shine that light on me

01:55:01.140 I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me

01:55:11.800 And I will find a song I will sing it just for you

01:55:19.400 And I've been moving way too fast

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - November 08, 2018

Urijah Faber ｜ This Past Weekend #146

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