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00:01:33.000 Three ringleaders of the anti-ICE mob who stormed a church in Minneapolis over the weekend have been arrested.

00:01:38.000 AG Pam Bondi announced today on Twitter.

00:01:41.000 Now, there's a lot of people that are upset that Don Lemon was not arrested, but we're going to get into why that happened and the conditions surrounding that.

00:01:49.000 There's also a big lie going around.

00:01:51.000 Democrats are lying about ICE and getting a five-year-old in custody and stuff.

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00:03:18.000 Joining us tonight to talk about all the stuff that I mentioned earlier is Bobby Sauce.

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00:03:24.000 Bobby Sauce, political comedian, video maker on all the socials at Take Naps.

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00:03:54.000 What is going on, Patriots?

00:03:56.000 Tate Brown here holding it down.

00:03:58.000 Yeah, I never noticed how blue your eyes are.

00:03:59.000 That really just like hit me.

00:04:01.000 Yeah, it was confusing.

00:04:02.000 I was putting pressure on them before we went live.

00:04:03.000 I wonder if that has to do with it.

00:04:04.000 I think if you like, if you macrodose like aspirin as well, this is not a health recommendation for anyone at home, but it will make your eyes much bluer.

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00:04:13.000 Okay.

00:04:14.000 Okay, that's probably what it is.

00:04:16.000 All right.

00:04:16.000 Well, from the New York Post, we're going to jump right into it.

00:04:19.000 Three ringleaders of anti-ICE mob who stormed a church, including school board member arrested, A.G. Pam Bondi announces a BLM leader who served on a school board awoke TikToker and a third alleged ringleader of an anti-ICE mob who stormed a Minnesota church on Sunday.

00:04:34.000 Service has been arrested.

00:04:35.000 Attorney General Pam Bondi announced Thursday.

00:04:37.000 We have arrested Nake Levy Armstrong, who allegedly played a key role in organizing the coordinated attack on City's Church in St. Paul, Minnesota.

00:04:45.000 A.G. Bondi said, listen loud and clear, we do not tolerate attacks on places of worship.

00:04:51.000 Excuse me, worship.

00:04:53.000 Armstrong allegedly led the Raush group, including Don Lemon, from the Radical Justice Network, to storm the church and call out resident pastor David Eastwood, accusing him of moonlighting as the acting field office director for ICE in Minnesota.

00:05:06.000 A picture of Armstrong being, a picture of Armstrong being led away in handcuffs was shared by the Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam on next Thursday morning.

00:05:15.000 I think that this is evidence that there is actual things happening at the DOJ.

00:05:24.000 People love to say nothing ever happens.

00:05:26.000 They're not doing this.

00:05:27.000 And I understand the impulse because people wanted to see like Trump come in and just start swinging the hammer and start arresting everybody that they didn't like.

00:05:36.000 That was never realistic, in my opinion.

00:05:38.000 The DOJ actually has to build cases.

00:05:40.000 People would love to point at January 6th and say, well, January 6th, they had arrests two days later.

00:05:45.000 They had arrests three days later, et cetera, et cetera.

00:05:48.000 Well, this happened over the weekend.

00:05:49.000 Monday was a holiday.

00:05:50.000 Today's Thursday.

00:05:51.000 They've got arrests.

00:05:53.000 What do you guys think about that?

00:05:54.000 It does prove that they can arrest people, which is nice.

00:05:58.000 Because for a while there, I kind of thought that they kind of couldn't.

00:06:01.000 But I do wish that there was arrests of people that were more significant to the greater scheme of things.

00:06:07.000 Like as we would coin the deep state arrests, I think those would be a little bit more impactful.

00:06:11.000 But I'm certainly glad to see that they can arrest people.

00:06:14.000 That is a good thing.

00:06:15.000 I was happy to see that.

00:06:16.000 Happy.

00:06:17.000 I mean, I just think justice was served and that they targeted the person that was funding and organizing it.

00:06:22.000 And they will, you know, we're out to see if they're going to keep arresting every person that was there and if they're going to, how harsh it's going to be.

00:06:30.000 But the organizer, I think you actually have this girl pulled up. 1.00

00:06:32.000 We'll talk about her.

00:06:33.000 So the reason I bring this up is because Nakima Levy Armstrong, she is an activist, right? 0.90

00:06:38.000 She has been around the BLM, the left.

00:06:44.000 You know, she's a lawyer.

00:06:47.000 She's been involved in this kind of basically propaganda for, you know, at least since 2015. 0.59

00:06:55.000 She was in Ferguson.

00:06:57.000 And now at this point, she's made a career of it. 0.99

00:06:59.000 She's, let's see, she began as an associate law professor at the University of St. Thomas.

00:07:05.000 She attained tenure at a university, was granted a full professorship.

00:07:10.000 Excuse me.

00:07:13.000 She's worked for the NAACP for law students interested in working with underserved communities.

00:07:18.000 So she's steeped in this.

00:07:20.000 She's the one that organized this.

00:07:22.000 And I think that it's more important, and there's people that are going to be upset about this.

00:07:26.000 It's more important that they arrested her than Don Lemon.

00:07:30.000 Now, before you start throwing eggs, Don Lemon is a personality that people see on the news.

00:07:36.000 They hear them all the time.

00:07:37.000 They don't like the things they say.

00:07:39.000 So they've got this emotional reaction to Don Lemon.

00:07:41.000 This person is actually an organizer.

00:07:43.000 She does the work, as they would say.

00:07:46.000 She's out there consistently trying to not just raise funds and stuff, but she's organizing these protests, which in my opinion, they're not legal protests at all, right?

00:07:57.000 Going into a church is clearly illegal.

00:07:59.000 Obviously, she's arrested for it. 1.00

00:08:00.000 Getting Don Lemon would have been satisfying emotionally, but this is something that will actually affect the network on the ground.

00:08:10.000 They're also framing it as a riot.

00:08:12.000 Like, they might think they were protesting, but I guess because of the unruly nature of the experience, the DOJ, or at least Harmeth Dylan, I think, was referring to it as a riot.

00:08:19.000 Sorry, you were about to.

00:08:20.000 No, yeah.

00:08:21.000 I mean, I agree.

00:08:22.000 This is the first person you obviously want to bring in front of a bring in front of a judge.

00:08:27.000 Again, to Phil's point, because she has experience organizing.

00:08:30.000 She has experience in these activist networks.

00:08:33.000 It's a safe bet that a lot of these Minneapolis area activist networks probably depend on her, depend on her experience, her leadership, these sort of things.

00:08:40.000 But, I mean, to a lot of people in the audience point, like, we want to see a full-blown crackdown from the DOJ.

00:08:47.000 I can be a little patient, you know, to make sure they get these cases down right, to make sure they have this all buttoned up when they do, again, start prosecuting.

00:08:55.000 But I do think Don Lemon needs to be held accountable here.

00:08:58.000 I think, again, to Bobby's point, the lack of high-profile arrests is a little frustrating to people because we did see under the Biden administration that, again, the DOJ is capable of going after the top dogs when they want to.

00:09:11.000 I have a lot of grace for the Trump administration, the DOJ, because, again, it's hard to root out all of these deep state apparatchiks that are, you know, that make up the DOJ.

00:09:23.000 But at a certain point, I think Don Lemon really would send a massive message to the left.

00:09:27.000 And that should be, I know it probably is a big focus for the DOJ, but they really need to get that across the finish line.

00:09:34.000 Today I was thinking that about it, and like maybe that it would be a bad message to send.

00:09:38.000 It would send a message if you arrested Don Lemon, but like if you really want to screw it in, you go after the little guy that can't defend themselves.

00:09:45.000 I know it's a horrible thing to say because that's what they did with January 6th.

00:09:48.000 The people that don't have the money to afford the defense funds, the people that were there kind of like just came along for the ride, you crush them.

00:09:55.000 And it's not, that's not necessarily the ethical thing to do, but that's if you really want to, because they're nobodies.

00:10:00.000 The news won't make a big deal out of John Doe, number seven, like, but Don Lemon is going to get constant headlines as long as he's in jail every day.

00:10:07.000 It'll be about Don Lemon, be the pariah, you know?

00:10:10.000 So to that point, if they broke the law, I think they should arrest them.

00:10:13.000 It doesn't matter whether the big guy or the little guy.

00:10:18.000 So about to the point of Don Lemon, right?

00:10:20.000 From the postmillennial.

00:10:21.000 The DOJ attempts to charge Don Lemon over storming St. Paul Church with an anti-IS group.

00:10:26.000 The magistrate declines to sign the complaint.

00:10:29.000 So the DOJ actually put the effort in to get Don Lemon, but it seems that the magistrate wouldn't sign the paperwork.

00:10:37.000 Now, I've heard conflicting reports that this particular magistrate was a guy that had signed a bunch of the January 6th stuff.

00:10:46.000 But because there's conflicting reports, I don't want to talk about the guy's name and stuff.

00:10:49.000 But from the post-millennial, they say a federal magistrate judge in Minnesota has reportedly refused to sign a complaint from the Department of Justice charging former CNN host Don Lemon in connection with the storming of the St. Paul church.

00:11:00.000 Lemon was seen embedded with the anti-IS agitators, kissing one of the organizers on the cheek and handing out coffee.

00:11:06.000 A source familiar with the matter told CBS News that the Attorney General is enraged at the magistrate's decision.

00:11:11.000 This comes after two women, organizer Nakima Levy Armstrong and St. Paul school board member Chantilly Louise Allen have been charged with violations of the FACE Act for their roles in the incident.

00:11:22.000 A separate source told the outlet that the Department of Justice could still find other avenues through which to charge Don Lemon.

00:11:29.000 Now, I do think that they're going to end up charging him.

00:11:33.000 I think that they're going to, because I think that they want that scalp.

00:11:36.000 I think that they really do want to have that high-profile person.

00:11:40.000 But I also think that they have to get it past judges.

00:11:44.000 And there are so many activist judges that are in, I mean, all across the United States.

00:11:49.000 It makes me wonder, on January 6th, I remember there was a lot of people that got arrested that were journalism, doing journalism in the Capitol.

00:11:56.000 But I remember there was this one clip where it showed this angle that was kind of behind the guards of the guys coming up the stairs.

00:12:03.000 And I don't think that that guy was ever charged for anything.

00:12:06.000 And he was inside the Capitol.

00:12:07.000 So I would wonder if this is a similar type of thing where they're kind of protecting their own.

00:12:11.000 But if the same exact thing happened on the right, which I think you guys were talking about yesterday, would they just come after them?

00:12:17.000 And if that is the case, then you have to go after Don Lemon.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, I mean, the nice thing is the DOJ will still have options here.

00:12:23.000 The federal magistrate not signing off doesn't eliminate.

00:12:26.000 They can still bring this before.

00:12:28.000 They could assemble a grand jury to seek a charge.

00:12:31.000 So it's not the end of the world, but I think it's in this postmillennial article.

00:12:35.000 You might have read already is that DAG was furious with the federal magistrate, as she should be.

00:12:40.000 Because again, I mean, the fact that they can pop all these other people on Face Act charges, but they can't get Don Lemon just tells you that probably there is some sway over this magistrate.

00:12:50.000 The problem with the grand jury is it's going to be assembled in Minnesota.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:53.000 So it would be a little tricky.

00:12:56.000 But the DOJ, again, I'm not necessarily like a panic in here, but the Biden administration did figure this out quite often.

00:13:04.000 So I think the right part of the reason why the Biden administration figured it out is because they already had judges in place that would do this.

00:13:10.000 The Trump administration has not been able to really fill out the judiciary the way that the Obama administration and the Biden administration.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, judges are getting hung up all the time, and it's because Republicans are weak and they are still sticking with this antiquated blue slips system, which is just like hamstering us.

00:13:27.000 And it's a completely optional system.

00:13:28.000 It's not in law anywhere.

00:13:29.000 Like we just voluntarily allow Democrat senators to block our judge appointments.

00:13:34.000 But I mean, to my point, like with the DOJ, again, they have other options.

00:13:37.000 So this isn't necessarily saying like, well, the Biden administration did it, so you should do the exact same thing.

00:13:41.000 It's just to say like, don't give up, don't blackbill, like get creative here in the DOJ.

00:13:45.000 And again, I'm preaching to the choir if anybody's watching that's within the DOJ.

00:13:48.000 But yeah, you can't let this Don Lemon thing go.

00:13:51.000 I really think it's going to be red meat for the base.

00:13:53.000 And right now, it does seem like morale.

00:13:56.000 It's this year we've started off hot, but before that, we needed some victories.

00:14:00.000 And I think this is a victory you could add to the pile in 2026.

00:14:03.000 We've seen a few already.

00:14:04.000 So it just has, it just has happened.

00:14:06.000 So Harmie Dylan was tweeting about this.

00:14:09.000 But the post millennial went on.

00:14:12.000 Civil rights division assistant attorney general Harmy Dylan wrote in a response to Lemon claiming he was at the church in a journalistic capacity.

00:14:18.000 She says, no one has the right to protest by trespassing into a private house, especially a house of God Almighty.

00:14:25.000 Freedom of the press does not protect journalists nor anyone else when they are actively committing crimes.

00:14:30.000 And that's something that's worth noting.

00:14:32.000 The idea that Don Lemon wants you to internalize and want you to really believe is that he was just there covering.

00:14:38.000 But like they said earlier in the postmillennial piece, he walked up to Nakima and gave her a kiss on the cheek.

00:14:44.000 He was handing out coffee to the people that were there.

00:14:46.000 That goes beyond just being a journalist.

00:14:48.000 I mean, if you're in a combat zone and you're wearing a press badge, but you're handing out magazines full of ammunition to the guys or you're walking around with the group that's going to attack someone and you're handing out food or coffee, there's going to be a whole lot of questions about are you really a journalist?

00:15:09.000 And I think that that's the same kind of situation here.

00:15:12.000 Don Lemon could have gone there and actually acted like a journalist, but you could listen to the questions that he was asking the pastor there or the preacher there.

00:15:21.000 And he's obviously politically aligned with the protesters.

00:15:26.000 He went there with them.

00:15:27.000 He knew about the situation beforehand.

00:15:30.000 They informed him they wanted him to cover it because he's aligned with them politically.

00:15:34.000 Again, he was handing out coffee, you know, helping to organize this or at least making them more comfortable.

00:15:41.000 So I don't think that you can actually, you know, realistically or convincingly make the argument that he wasn't involved.

00:15:47.000 Can say he wasn't one of the organizers, but he was definitely one of the protesters, particularly when he was there asking questions that were looking to make people uncomfortable, which he said in a follow-up interview after the show.

00:16:00.000 It seemed like the foreknowledge was kind of part of the problem.

00:16:04.000 The sad part about all of this is that even if they do arrest Don Lemon, this activist woman, I think, kind of got exactly what she wanted.

00:16:11.000 I don't think that these people are going to go to prison for multiple years.

00:16:14.000 I would bet if they even do get prosecuted, they serve little to no time at all or get a slap on the wrist.

00:16:19.000 And now every person that never knew who that activist girl was now knows who she is.

00:16:23.000 And she's going to use this as a badge of honor going forward.

00:16:26.000 I watched the, you know, like the perp walk type photos on New York Post, and it's, this is the most press these people have ever got.

00:16:32.000 And Don Lemon, for lack of, for, for lack of a better word, he's going to get a ton of press from this as well.

00:16:38.000 And I think that in the end, they're not going to serve something proportionate enough to how much this is going to galvanize their position in their whole group of agitators.

00:16:48.000 Now, does that mean that you don't prosecute them?

00:16:50.000 No, but I think it's going to end up helping them in the end.

00:16:52.000 And they're not going to really serve that much time.

00:16:55.000 I bet they bet none of them serve time at all.

00:16:57.000 So I'm not sure what kind of time they're facing with the charges.

00:17:01.000 I'm not even sure what they're being charged with.

00:17:04.000 But the idea that, and I know that you said, you know, we should prosecute him.

00:17:10.000 And I agree.

00:17:11.000 I don't think that we should be looking for reasons to be negative about it just because this is actually the first kind of victory that the DOJ is kind of giving to us.

00:17:25.000 And again, I don't know what the charges are going to be, and I don't know how long the maximum sentence is, but it's my opinion that they should be like, you should throw the book at them, right?

00:17:35.000 Like whatever the maximum is, that's what they should get.

00:17:38.000 And I don't see a whole lot of, you know, I don't find the arguments against that convincing.

00:17:45.000 And what you're alluding to is something that we hear fairly frequently when people say, well, you don't want to, and not that, again, not that you're saying this because this is a bit of a different argument, but it rings similar to the argument, well, you don't want to do the things that the Democrats would do, or you don't want to do this because you'll anger the left or you'll embolden them or you'll upset them.

00:18:09.000 And that is just, to me, that's not convincing.

00:18:12.000 You have to exercise power when you have it.

00:18:14.000 And you have to do everything you can to make sure the charges stick and make sure that they go to jail for as long as possible.

00:18:20.000 And the reason is they're going to do that to conservatives when they get into power again.

00:18:26.000 The days of polite politics, they're long gone.

00:18:32.000 Those days are over.

00:18:33.000 I don't even think that that's necessarily the reason that you would issue the DOJ to go after them.

00:18:38.000 It's just, the reason is they broke the law.

00:18:40.000 Yeah, you do the right thing.

00:18:41.000 You uphold the law.

00:18:42.000 And if they were trespassing, I still really haven't watched the video.

00:18:45.000 There was a video of multiple videos of legitimate riots inside of a church.

00:18:51.000 And to Bobby's point, I mean, like, what the FACE Act is, it would be like two to three year sentences.

00:18:57.000 That's like the criminal level, depending on if you have any priors or that sort of thing.

00:19:00.000 But it's not going to be like this just insane locking them up for tension when you're like people want to see.

00:19:05.000 And that's the thing that is kind of unfortunate is, I mean, the FACE Act is great.

00:19:08.000 It's going to make it easy to charge these people.

00:19:09.000 But like, I mean, two to three years seems fine to me.

00:19:12.000 I don't even think it's going to be that long.

00:19:13.000 I hope that that happens.

00:19:15.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 I mean, with Don Lemon, same thing.

00:19:17.000 They go to jail for three years and they're out just in time for the Democrats to win again.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, literally.

00:19:22.000 So, I mean, that is a good point, though.

00:19:23.000 I mean, they could be seeking press through martyrship.

00:19:26.000 It's just they're making the calculation that they're not going to get two to three years because that would be very dehydrating for their.

00:19:31.000 That's what I mean.

00:19:32.000 If it was like three months and it blew them up, it's like maybe they baked that into the cake where they're like, this is going to make us look like a freedom fighter.

00:19:41.000 And what they did was completely purposeless.

00:19:44.000 I remember during the George Floyd time of year in Florida, I saw these people yelling at people that were just sitting at a restaurant.

00:19:51.000 They're like, you're white and you're going to sit here while George Floyd.

00:19:54.000 They're like, what are you even talking about?

00:19:55.000 So it was a completely purposeless protest.

00:19:58.000 It achieved literally nothing.

00:20:00.000 I disagree with that.

00:20:01.000 I think that the point of that is to intimidate people on the right.

00:20:04.000 I really do think that it was about intimidating not just the people that were at that church, but other people that are basically on the right, other people that go to church, basically saying, look, you're not safe, right?

00:20:16.000 They're saying you're not safe in your house of worship.

00:20:18.000 You're not safe walking around the street.

00:20:20.000 And this is something that politicians have said.

00:20:21.000 Maxine Water said it herself.

00:20:23.000 You know, tell these, get in their face and make sure that they know that they're not welcome.

00:20:28.000 The Democrats really do want to intimidate people out of their political opinions.

00:20:33.000 Now, I know that that doesn't work, right?

00:20:35.000 You confront people and you push them, and people tend to double down on what they already believe.

00:20:40.000 But the impulse from the Democrats, I really do think, is about intimidation.

00:20:45.000 They want to scare people.

00:20:46.000 They want to make people feel like they shouldn't have, they're wrong for having these opinions.

00:20:50.000 So at the very least, they'll keep their heads down.

00:20:53.000 So that way the Democrats can go and do, or the activists, the left can basically do what they want to do unimpeded.

00:21:00.000 Yeah, I think that that makes sense.

00:21:02.000 But what I'm saying is, is that there could have been a lot of people that were at that church service that agreed that ICE is bad.

00:21:09.000 Just because they're at church doesn't mean that they disagree, that they think Renee Good should have been hurt by that.

00:21:15.000 So I'm just saying there was no specific stance that they were taking just by the act of being in that church at that time.

00:21:22.000 They could have been leftists in there that just happened to be at church and these people march in and they're yelling at them.

00:21:27.000 If it was some type of right-wing organization or a specific thing where it's like, these people have all declared that they believe this thing, then that would make more sense.

00:21:36.000 Not that I'm saying that they don't want to do what you're saying.

00:21:38.000 I think that's why they targeted like the Southern Baptist church specifically, because the SBC, the Southern Baptist Convention, it's an overwhelmingly conservative denomination.

00:21:45.000 It's like 80% Republican, I'm pretty sure.

00:21:47.000 And I think that's actually why it matters, the specific church that they went after.

00:21:50.000 Because again, to your point, if it was like a Methodist church or Episcopalian, probably the majority of congregates would be agreeing with their protests.

00:21:57.000 But the fact that they've specifically gone after evangelicals is a very strategically smart play if you're like a leftist trying to intimidate.

00:22:04.000 Because again, like evangelicals are the largest religious group in the United States.

00:22:08.000 They're overwhelmingly conservative.

00:22:09.000 They have a very conservative temperament to begin with.

00:22:11.000 And then you have people like Jennifer.

00:22:12.000 I think it's Jennifer Welch came out after when she was interviewing Don Lemon and she was like, yeah, the church was filled with white supremacists because she's saying, again, from her perspective, that is how they view evangelicals.

00:22:21.000 They view evangelicals as a stand-in for middle Americans.

00:22:23.000 They view evangelicals as these kitschy conservatives that just aren't up with the times, these sorts of things.

00:22:29.000 And so I think that's specifically why they went after that church.

00:22:31.000 I mean, I know they were alleging that the pastor was like some like moonlighting as an ICE field agent, field off agent officer, whatever you want to call it.

00:22:38.000 But I think it was like a very strategic decision they made to go after a Southern Baptist church.

00:22:43.000 To your point, we've got this video here from one of the protesters that was arrested today.

00:22:47.000 I forget this guy's name.

00:22:49.000 But he's making the argument that the people inside the church are white supremacists. 0.98

00:22:55.000 And now we've said things like, you know, they don't call you a white supremacist because they want to kill you. 0.97

00:23:02.000 They call you a white supremacist to justify, you know, aggressing get you or attacking you. 0.91

00:23:06.000 Yesterday, I went into a church with Nakima Armstrong and I protested these white supremacists. 0.99

00:23:12.000 The pastor of the church is a fucking ICE leader in the city. 1.00

00:23:17.000 How can you be a fucking pastor and be a fucking-pardon his French. 1.00

00:23:22.000 But the point I think is well taken. 1.00

00:23:24.000 Now, he didn't know any of the people in that church, but he just is going to accuse them of being white supremacists to justify his actions, right?

00:23:34.000 The pastor, even if the pastor was an ICE agent, he worked with ICE or whatever, that doesn't make him a white supremacist.

00:23:40.000 But the left does this.

00:23:42.000 They say, well, you're a white supremacist. 0.99

00:23:44.000 You're a Nazi, you're this, so I'm justified. 0.94

00:23:47.000 It's all about moralizing their attack on you because they don't want to think of, or they don't think of themselves as the bad guy at all. 0.76

00:23:55.000 They wanted to sit there and say, look, we're obviously the good guys.

00:23:58.000 You're obviously the bad guys.

00:24:00.000 So what we're doing isn't trespassing and breaking the law and invading your church service, which is a totally peaceful and very normal American thing to do. 0.86

00:24:11.000 What we're doing is we're breaking up a white supremacist rally.

00:24:14.000 We're in here, you know, we're like Captain America punching the Nazis. 0.67

00:24:18.000 And that's exactly what this guy thinks, how he thinks of himself, you know?

00:24:21.000 And so I think it's worth pointing that out.

00:24:25.000 This guy is all, I mean, in my opinion, he's all bad, but they're going to sit there and they're going to always just justify their behavior and say, look, those people are obviously bad people.

00:24:36.000 And it goes beyond just the people in the church. 0.83

00:24:39.000 That's what they think of anyone that doesn't agree with them because you'll see people all the time saying, well, you know, that guy's a Nazi. 0.61

00:24:45.000 Well, that guy's a Nazi. 0.95

00:24:46.000 Well, that guy's a Nazi. 0.65

00:24:47.000 And the person doesn't have, you know, they just have politics that are different.

00:24:51.000 You know, 20 years ago, they had very normal middle-of-the-road politics. 0.81

00:24:55.000 They called, you know, you talk about Donald Trump, Donald Trump's a Nazi.

00:24:59.000 Well, 20 years ago, Donald Trump was a Democrat, you know?

00:25:02.000 Yeah.

00:25:03.000 In 2015, I was hanging out in LA with my buddy and we're watching the news, the election, Hillary Clinton, her email scandal breaks.

00:25:10.000 I'm like, okay, he's all, it's her turn, Ian.

00:25:12.000 I'm like, okay, but this email scandal is a pretty big deal, dude.

00:25:16.000 I'm not a huge Trump fan, but like, I can't support this woman if she really has this scandal. 1.00

00:25:21.000 And he turns at me and he says, you're a racist. 0.91

00:25:24.000 How? 0.95

00:25:24.000 Where does that come from? 0.95

00:25:26.000 How did that get seeded into my friend's head after I knew him for a decade?

00:25:29.000 I'm literally asking, where did it come from?

00:25:31.000 Mood inhibitors.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, well, because I actually.

00:25:34.000 I don't understand.

00:25:34.000 But why racist?

00:25:35.000 Well, I don't think, I think it's actually a miscalculation to say that people on the left call you racist or a white supremacist purely for like framing purposes.

00:25:43.000 I don't think they actually think that far ahead.

00:25:45.000 I think they legitimately, in their worldview, they believe that anybody that would be opposed to any sort of immigration enforcement whatsoever, they genuinely believe you are racist.

00:25:54.000 They genuinely believe white supremacists.

00:25:55.000 They're not labeling you that just as a justification for their beliefs.

00:25:58.000 They legitimately think that he legitimately thought you're a racist.

00:26:01.000 He legitimately thinks these people in this church are white supremacists because of their, even in your case, like vague, vague support of borders, these sorts of things.

00:26:09.000 Because in the leftist framework, like all of this is reductive.

00:26:11.000 All of this is just impediments to like individuality, impediments to sort of like liberating people from these like pre-assigned identities.

00:26:20.000 And so it's actually like, if you look at it from a leftist framework, it would make absolute sense that someone that is just against Hillary Clinton broadly would be a racist because in their, again, in their framework, it makes total sense.

00:26:30.000 Maybe it's that he heard on Rachel Maddow that Trump was a racist and anybody not Hillary Clinton was a Trump supporter, therefore also as racist as Trump.

00:26:39.000 Maybe that was the logic. 0.63

00:26:40.000 Well, yeah, his calculation was just Trump is supportive of border enforcement.

00:26:45.000 Hillary Clinton is wishy-washy on it.

00:26:48.000 So by not voting for Hillary Clinton, not like, you know, crying tears of joy at the thought of Hillary Clinton being president, you are then abetting Donald Trump to win in the election.

00:26:57.000 So, you know, it goes through a few different levels.

00:27:00.000 But yeah, by not, again, throwing your full weight behind Hillary Clinton, that and their in their framework makes you a Trump supporter and their framework because you're not helping Hillary beat Trump, that sort of thing.

00:27:12.000 It's funny that they thought that when you were talking about a very specific legal issue, it's like, what about this email scandal?

00:27:18.000 And it's like, oh, you're a racist.

00:27:20.000 We can't even focus on this one singular issue. 0.66

00:27:23.000 That should be a problem that even you should be concerned of, whether I was a racist or not.

00:27:28.000 Like, can we just agree that this is a bad thing and should be looked at?

00:27:31.000 Yeah, you should have been like, yeah, but so that's not the point.

00:27:34.000 I did.

00:27:34.000 I'm like, what are you talking about, dude?

00:27:36.000 He's like, it's her turn, Ian.

00:27:38.000 It's her turn.

00:27:39.000 And I'm like, what, bro?

00:27:40.000 I'm just talking about this.

00:27:41.000 Like he may have been able to convince me to vote for.

00:27:43.000 If he'd had the conversation instead of shutting it down with pejoratives, it was crazy, crazy town.

00:27:49.000 And I bailed on L.A. after that.

00:27:50.000 That was it for me.

00:27:51.000 I was like, I'm done.

00:27:52.000 Done.

00:27:53.000 That was when you left Los Angeles?

00:27:54.000 Yeah.

00:27:54.000 That was like the break.

00:27:55.000 He was like my best friend in L.A.

00:27:56.000 It was just the breaking point where I'm like, something happened to people between 2010 and 2015 that was like unforeseen.

00:28:03.000 I noticed this with older generations is you guys always talk about how you have friends that are on the left, friends that are liberals, these sorts of things.

00:28:11.000 I've gone into Zoomers. 0.73

00:28:12.000 People now know I'm like, I'm 24.

00:28:15.000 I find that like, I don't really have any friends that are on the left because I think there is like a filtering that occurred probably with younger millennials and then down where things got so calcified, the, what's the word I'm looking for?

00:28:27.000 The stratification of political beliefs occurred at such a level that legitimately, I don't really have much to talk about with someone that's on the left.

00:28:34.000 Like we are in two completely different worlds at that point.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, entrenched.

00:28:37.000 Like so the actual foundation for a friendship to even be built on is just not there.

00:28:41.000 When previously, like when you guys were growing up, the disagreements would be on maybe more like policy grounded things like tax policy, maybe your view on foreign policy, these sorts of things.

00:28:51.000 Where now it's like literally, if you're on the right or left, that is a reduction of your worldview fundamentally.

00:28:56.000 And if you just have a completely different worldview from someone, you're literally one person seeing, you know, a six, the other person seeing a nine.

00:29:02.000 It's really hard to find the ground to like actually build a friendship on unless you like grew up together.

00:29:06.000 And even that case, like a lot of people that I grew up with that have, you know, developed like left-wing beliefs, we don't really even keep in touch anymore.

00:29:11.000 Cause again, it's like, you can only talk about sports for so long.

00:29:14.000 You know, I think it just wasn't in your face, really.

00:29:17.000 Like when I was building a lot of my friend group, it wasn't in my face.

00:29:21.000 It wasn't like they could lock you in your house and force you to get vaccinated or you lose your job.

00:29:25.000 It wasn't that, it didn't seem that serious. 1.00

00:29:27.000 It's like the president sucks. 1.00

00:29:28.000 We don't like him. 1.00

00:29:29.000 The money is fake.

00:29:31.000 It's not backed by anything.

00:29:32.000 And that was the end of it.

00:29:33.000 We didn't talk about it in such a way where it felt more daunting on our everyday life and as visible.

00:29:38.000 Trump is on TV every single day, no matter whether you want to know about him or not.

00:29:42.000 And I think that that brings it into the conversation where you see the fragment between you and that person more and it makes those decisions to stay apart.

00:29:50.000 Oh, COVID for like because it was, they became afraid of people that weren't vaccinated.

00:29:55.000 They'd be like, they're going to harm me just by being.

00:29:58.000 And other people were like, they're crazy just by, they're going to try and force me to take a medicine I don't want.

00:30:05.000 And that's like when you're afraid of someone just for being there because they say you can't come over.

00:30:10.000 They say you can't come over.

00:30:11.000 You can't come to the party.

00:30:12.000 How many people said, oh, you can't come to my wedding if you're not vaccinated or you can't come and visit my newborn baby if you're not vaccinated.

00:30:19.000 That was a real thing.

00:30:20.000 And it's just like, what is even that?

00:30:23.000 I have to stay outside.

00:30:24.000 How do you hang out with a person if that's the case?

00:30:26.000 And then it further starts to bleed into where maybe they sit there thinking, well, if he won't do this to come to my wedding, then is he really my friend?

00:30:34.000 And you're like.

00:30:35.000 Do you think it started with COVID?

00:30:36.000 No, I'm not, I think that it became, I think that like COVID was, you know, like nitrous oxide to it.

00:30:43.000 But I don't think, I feel like it started before then.

00:30:43.000 Yes.

00:30:46.000 I think it started before then, but I just mean that the level of severity for how much it could fragment your a potential friendship with a person was never more in your face really until then.

00:30:57.000 Where it's just like, if you didn't do this one specific thing, it's dangerous to hang out with you.

00:31:02.000 And if you don't believe this thing, you want to kill grandma and kill your neighbor.

00:31:06.000 It's like, it never really seemed that serious. 0.98

00:31:08.000 If we disagree on foreign policy or monetary policy or whatever, even the border.

00:31:13.000 It's like, that's not my, that's not, you don't come to my wedding.

00:31:16.000 Whereas like this is, it's like, you want me to die or vice versa.

00:31:20.000 And I almost either side could think the same thing.

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 All right.

00:31:23.000 We're going to jump to this story here.

00:31:25.000 And this is more of the significant disparity between what the left believes and what the right believes.

00:31:33.000 But this is a little more blatant and in your face.

00:31:37.000 So, the Washington Post is reporting that ICE detains four children from Minnesota District, including a five-year-old.

00:31:46.000 Washington Post says, immigration and customs enforcement agents in Minnesota have detained at least four children from the same school district this month, including a five-year-old boy.

00:31:56.000 School officials in Minneapolis suburb said Wednesday.

00:31:58.000 The events have inflamed tensions between residents and ICE officers, sparked by the fatal shooting of 37-year-old Renee Goode by an ICE officer this month.

00:32:06.000 The Trump administration has sought to justify the presence of ICE personnel by saying the officers are detaining immigrants convicted on violent crimes.

00:32:13.000 The administration doesn't have to justify ICE's presence.

00:32:17.000 The fact that there are illegal immigrants in Minnesota and Minnesota does not detain and turn these illegal immigrants over to the federal government for deportation is the only justification that ICE needs.

00:32:30.000 And it bothers me that the Post would even portray it like this, right?

00:32:36.000 But it gets worse.

00:32:37.000 Why detain a five-year-old girl? Zena Svetnik said. 0.99

00:32:41.000 The superintendent of the Columbian Heights Public School District, located just north of Minneapolis, said at a news conference: You cannot tell me that this child is going to be classified as a violent criminal.

00:32:51.000 Five-year-old Liam Kone Ramos and his father, who the Department of Homeland Security identified as Adrian Alexander Clonez-Aires in an email statement, were detained in their driveway Tuesday afternoon just as they were returning from the child's school, according to a news release from Columbia Heights Public School.

00:33:07.000 Now, this man is an illegal immigrant.

00:33:11.000 And when ICE approached, he ran, leaving the five-year-old child standing there.

00:33:19.000 One of the ICE agents stayed with the child.

00:33:23.000 The other ICE agent took off after the illegal immigrant.

00:33:27.000 When you get arrested, if you have kids, your kids are separated from you because they don't put your kid in the jail cell with you.

00:33:40.000 This is something that is as mundane an activity, a law enforcement activity, as it can possibly be.

00:33:47.000 Every day people are arrested.

00:33:49.000 Every day people are separated from their children because we don't throw kids in jail with adults.

00:33:54.000 But the way that the left has been portraying it is that this child was detained.

00:34:00.000 ICE is so mean and so bad, and they're just detaining children and they just want to throw kids in jail.

00:34:06.000 And doesn't that just tug at your heartstrings?

00:34:09.000 Well, it's all BS.

00:34:10.000 It's all a lie.

00:34:12.000 So I don't know that there's any remedy for this because, again, the Washington Post reports it.

00:34:21.000 Actually, here, from Homeland Security, ICE did not target a child.

00:34:25.000 The child was abandoned.

00:34:26.000 On January 20th, ICE conducted a targeted operation to arrest Adrian Alexander Clone Ares, an illegal alien from Ecuador who was released into the U.S. by the Biden administration.

00:34:37.000 Agents approached the driver, Adrian Allen Alexander Clonez-Aires, fled on foot, abandoning his child.

00:34:43.000 For the child's safety, one of our ICE officers remained with the child while the other officers apprehended Clonez-Aires. 1.00

00:34:50.000 Parents were asked if they wanted to be removed with their children, or ICE will place the children with a safe person the parent designates.

00:34:57.000 This is consistent with the past administration's immigration enforcement.

00:35:01.000 Parents can take control of their departure and receive a free flight and $2,600 with a CBP home app.

00:35:07.000 By using the CBP home app, illegal aliens reserve the chance to come back the right legal way. 0.67

00:35:14.000 Look, man, if the government is offering you three grand to get out of the United States and you're here illegally and then you could come back, that is the way to do it, right?

00:35:25.000 Like, you don't want to get picked up by ICE and then lose the possibility of coming back.

00:35:30.000 Take the money and run and file your paperwork and come here legally.

00:35:34.000 I agree with that.

00:35:35.000 It's don't put your family at risk.

00:35:37.000 It's a risk.

00:35:38.000 And people are like, good Lord, you know where it's back where I came from.

00:35:41.000 It's a risk I'm willing to, but like, bro, don't be a fugitive for the next 30 years.

00:35:45.000 Like, if you're here illegally, it's not a horrible idea to consider.

00:35:49.000 Self-deport.

00:35:49.000 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 It reminds me of the reminds of the kids in cages controversy.

00:35:53.000 I don't know if we're turning back the clock here.

00:35:55.000 Like, Ankh may have to lay this out for, I'm just kidding.

00:35:57.000 Everyone remembers the kids in cages, where the left is literally making the argument that we should be throwing children in general population prisons.

00:36:03.000 Like, that was the legitimate argument they're making.

00:36:05.000 Is they're like, no, you should detain the children with the parents and then put the kids in detainment centers with like other adults.

00:36:12.000 Like, are we new around?

00:36:14.000 Not to mention all of the trafficking going on.

00:36:16.000 It's the same thing where it's just like they've latched on to this battle cry that actually doesn't really make any sense under just the lightest bit of scrutiny.

00:36:25.000 And it's just bizarre.

00:36:28.000 And but the thing is, like, they already got their talking point.

00:36:30.000 There's nothing we can say to someone in the audience.

00:36:32.000 There's probably no one watching that would be supporting this sort of talking point.

00:36:37.000 But no matter what you say to someone on the left, explaining this out, explaining what the procedure is, what happened, it doesn't matter.

00:36:42.000 They're entrenched.

00:36:44.000 This is the talking point.

00:36:45.000 They're abusing language.

00:36:46.000 They're saying detained as if it's like, okay, so what other word would you prefer to use?

00:36:51.000 Like if you were arrested and you had a 13-year-old kid in the house, they have to do something or a 10-year-old kid or whatever.

00:36:56.000 It doesn't matter that he's five.

00:36:57.000 And then by them framing it, it's like it's all they would only detain him if they thought he was a violent combatant or something.

00:37:05.000 It's like, so what else do you do?

00:37:06.000 You leave the five-year-old at the house?

00:37:07.000 I mean, look, if you were honest, they could have said that the, or if they wanted, if the press was honest, they could say that the child was in the care of, you know, because that's what it was.

00:37:18.000 They were taking care of the five-year-old because it's freezing out.

00:37:22.000 You don't leave a kid standing there like, well, that's five years old with no idea what's going on.

00:37:26.000 Being like, why did my dad run away from me?

00:37:29.000 Why is my dad being chased by the cops?

00:37:31.000 Like, you're the ICE officers are trying to take care of the child's best interest by not letting the kids stand there in the freezing cold.

00:37:40.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 But the media want not just, and this is the big problem, right?

00:37:44.000 Rep Jimmy Gomez says, ICE just used a five-year-old boy as bait, forcing him to knock on his own door so they could arrest his father.

00:37:51.000 Trump, ICE, and CBP don't see these families as people, and that's exactly how they're treating them.

00:37:56.000 That is just absolutely BS.

00:38:00.000 Yeah.

00:38:01.000 But an actual congressperson is saying this.

00:38:04.000 Another one, Mayor Jacob Fry, five years old.

00:38:07.000 This is a child, not a threat to our community.

00:38:09.000 When the federal government treats kids like criminals, something has gone seriously wrong.

00:38:13.000 Totally made up, making everything worse. 1.00

00:38:17.000 Now, I mean, Jacob Fry is absolute garbage, right? 0.98

00:38:20.000 Like, if this guy actually cared about the people in his community, he would be helping to apprehend the criminal aliens and turning them over, but he doesn't want to do that. 0.98

00:38:31.000 And then there was one thing that I saw.

00:38:34.000 Chuck Todd had made a comment.

00:38:36.000 He said, the lack of empathy.

00:38:38.000 Is it a feature or a bug? 0.98

00:38:40.000 And it's like, Chuck, and I chimed in here and I ratioed the crap out of him. 1.00

00:38:45.000 You're either an active propagandist or a gullible fool. 1.00

00:38:48.000 And that's exactly what he's an active propagandist, obviously. 0.99

00:38:52.000 It's simple to find the information of actually what happened.

00:38:56.000 You know, I'm sure that he follows ICE or the Department of Homeland Security on X.

00:39:02.000 He could just read their statement, but he doesn't.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.000 And he leaves the tweet up.

00:39:06.000 Chuck Todd, you know, it's kind of useful that he kind of looks like Jim Kramer because he really is the Jim Kramer of politics where it's like generally the position he has on any sort of incident, the opposite position is probably the correct take to have.

00:39:18.000 So yeah, this is just the lack of empathy.

00:39:21.000 You should be thankful that ICE is even like demonstrating empathy in the first place because that's, again, their job is to just conduct an operation.

00:39:27.000 So the fact that they actually are taking care of these kids, that they actually are demonstrating a degree of empathy is great because it's like, look around the world.

00:39:35.000 Look around the world how their federal police handle affairs.

00:39:39.000 And you'll find pretty quickly the United States is actually an outlier.

00:39:42.000 Certainly not, certainly not the norm. 0.99

00:39:45.000 Imagine how stupid you would have to believe that, or you'd have to be to believe that ICE just swarmed this five-year-old kid. 0.98

00:39:53.000 It's like, oh, no, they treated this kid like, if there was an actual video of what actually happened with the kid, I bet it's very nice and very friendly. 0.99

00:39:59.000 But they're painting it as if they like, you know, rappelled down from a helicopter and tackled him into the fire.

00:40:04.000 I mean, it's like the Emilio Gonzalez picture from the 90s where the guy's pointing an MP5 at the kid, you know, to grab him.

00:40:12.000 And that happened in the United States, but that was 30 years ago now.

00:40:16.000 And like, this is not the way that law enforcement behaves at all anymore because everyone has a phone in their pocket with a video camera.

00:40:25.000 And law enforcement can't afford to behave like that.

00:40:30.000 They have to do everything they can to abide by the law.

00:40:36.000 And they're actually, they try to use as little force as possible.

00:40:42.000 That's why having body cameras has been the best thing that's happened to law enforcement in forever because there's so many people that are so quick to say, oh, well, law enforcement does this, law enforcement does that, and they're so bad and blah, blah, blah.

00:40:55.000 See the body camera.

00:40:56.000 And it exonerates the police officers every time.

00:41:00.000 Well, they're like, they're making hay when the sun shines.

00:41:03.000 They're looking for absolutely anything to make you look like an inhuman monster.

00:41:07.000 It's just sad that people will actually see this and believe it.

00:41:10.000 That's the part that blows my mind the most.

00:41:12.000 Not so much that they're doing it because they're trying to make something out of nothing, but that people actually do believe this, that this is actually happening as they're framing it.

00:41:20.000 Don't you think that that's motivated though?

00:41:22.000 That they believe it because they want to believe it and then they engage in it.

00:41:25.000 They engage in spreading the story because they want other people to believe it and they want they want other people to feel the same kind of anger at ICE regardless of whether it's justified.

00:41:35.000 I just think that I don't know if it's chicken or the egg, but I just mean that I mean that the fact that people will see something like that from Chuck Todd and be like, wow, or from Mayor Fry and say, wow, they're treating him like an, like an, like a violent combatant.

00:41:49.000 Like the fact that people believe that is crazy.

00:41:52.000 The fact that they're posting about it is unsurprising to me is what I'm trying to say.

00:41:55.000 Like that there is a person on the other end on X that's logging on and seeing that and being like, can you believe how these ICE agents are treating these five-year-olds without even looking into it?

00:42:04.000 These guys playing on their emotions, that to me seems par for the course.

00:42:08.000 But the fact that people actually believe it is what I'm so surprised about.

00:42:11.000 Man, the body cams really were like a total gift for the right.

00:42:14.000 They were.

00:42:14.000 When's the last time you saw any hubbub over an unarmed black man being shot?

00:42:18.000 It just hasn't happened since the advent of the body cameras.

00:42:21.000 And yeah, the left were the ones that pushed for it.

00:42:23.000 I think if the right knew how that played out, they would have been like, yeah, sign us up.

00:42:26.000 I do remember like the right was a lot at the first.

00:42:27.000 I was like, I don't know, maybe.

00:42:29.000 Hilarious.

00:42:30.000 And we've gotten some like really hilarious photos out of it.

00:42:33.000 Like that one lady that I think she like threw boiling water on the cop and then she like charged on him with a knife and it created like the funniest photo I've ever seen in my life.

00:42:39.000 So it's like total lip tard own self-own with that move. 0.79

00:42:43.000 I wouldn't be surprised if they're advocating against body cameras because it's an invasion of your of your rights or something like that in the near future because it's been such a disaster for them.

00:42:53.000 I'm looking forward to robot cops, but I didn't want to hijack the conversation.

00:42:56.000 Oh no, the robot camera.

00:42:57.000 The robot cops.

00:42:58.000 The body camera will stream straight to lively.

00:43:00.000 Yeah, it'll be 360 body cams so you can like go into the 360 video and watch it from any direction.

00:43:05.000 And you can't blame the robot.

00:43:07.000 You can only blame the system.

00:43:08.000 The robot cop, dude, it's going to be like the kill cam and cod. 0.73

00:43:10.000 But my question is, who's going to install robot cops first?

00:43:12.000 Democrats or Republicans?

00:43:15.000 Do you remember the guy in Dallas that got blown up by a robot cop?

00:43:18.000 So there was a dude that was shooting at the cops and he was behind Jersey Barriers.

00:43:21.000 He's got cover.

00:43:22.000 And the cops are just like, well, send the robot in. 0.72

00:43:24.000 They sent the robot in and just blew it up and killed the guy.

00:43:27.000 So that's already happened.

00:43:29.000 Robot cops exist now.

00:43:30.000 Did they detonate?

00:43:31.000 They can't.

00:43:32.000 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly.

00:43:33.000 I'm not sure exactly how it went down, but they just went over.

00:43:36.000 They went over and the robot took the guy out.

00:43:39.000 But the idea of robot cops, I don't think that, I don't think that the American people are ever going to be comfortable with totally autonomous law enforcement.

00:43:49.000 But I do think that you'll see in the coming probably five years, you'll see a lot more robot partners.

00:43:57.000 I've seen that today.

00:43:58.000 Did you see his post about it?

00:44:01.000 I'm not saying that there won't be robot cops.

00:44:03.000 There'll be robots that will go and do the dangerous stuff, but there will probably be an actual human being with them.

00:44:09.000 That's why I'm saying like robot partners.

00:44:10.000 So in the car, you've got one human being cop, and he'll be backed up by a robot.

00:44:15.000 And then a robot.

00:44:16.000 I do think that's true.

00:44:17.000 Yeah.

00:44:17.000 A couple robot dogs in the back if they need them out of the trunk or something.

00:44:20.000 I mean, maybe.

00:44:21.000 Look, man, robots are going to be so cheap and everywhere.

00:44:26.000 Nowadays, you can get, there's actual humanoid robots that I posted a link and some stuff about it a couple of months back, probably halfway through the year last year.

00:44:36.000 And you can actually get a robot for your house right now.

00:44:38.000 Humanoid robot.

00:44:40.000 They're around $20,000, $30,000.

00:44:41.000 And I've said this a bunch of times.

00:44:43.000 When you offer the upper middle class a $30,000 robot that you pay $500 a month for for 72 months, and you've got 6% financing or whatever, and it does your dishes, it picks up after you.

00:45:02.000 It mows your lawn.

00:45:03.000 That is going to be the hottest product.

00:45:04.000 Elon Musk is totally right.

00:45:06.000 That will be the hottest product in the country because you're going to have basically this robot that gets consistent updates, downloads, anything that you want it to do.

00:45:17.000 You can go ahead and type it.

00:45:18.000 You'll be able to type into an AI and say, hey, I want my robot to do this.

00:45:22.000 And it'll download it just like in The Matrix right into the robot.

00:45:25.000 And then the robot can do it.

00:45:26.000 You're going to see all of the low-skilled jobs.

00:45:30.000 They're going to be gone because robots will do it. 0.97

00:45:33.000 Because right now, you got to pay someone.

00:45:35.000 You know, say you're paying an illegal, right?

00:45:37.000 You're a business owner and you're paying illegals to pick strawberries, right? 1.00

00:45:41.000 And you pay them under the table and you end up paying them $25,000 a year, right?

00:45:45.000 Total for the whole year.

00:45:47.000 That's a huge amount of money for an illegal.

00:45:49.000 They don't have to pay taxes on it.

00:45:51.000 But if you can buy a robot for $25,000 and it lasts you five years, the math is simple.

00:45:56.000 Obviously, you're going to buy the robot.

00:45:57.000 have you seen the uh yeah it's so true you can't get deported or it won't be deported Yeah, it's really good.

00:46:04.000 And you don't have to worry about if it doesn't, you don't have to worry about it getting sick.

00:46:07.000 They're really good at paperwork.

00:46:08.000 Chat GPT.

00:46:08.000 They just load it all in.

00:46:09.000 Seriously?

00:46:10.000 Have you seen these people that are buying the humanoid robots?

00:46:13.000 Have you seen where their houses that look like a Mexican grandmother's house where they're having to put blankets over their mirrors? 1.00

00:46:18.000 Because the humanoid robots can't tell that the mirror is a mirror.

00:46:22.000 So they're slamming into it at full speed, shattering mirrors, and it's flying.

00:46:25.000 There's a video, I can't remember which streamer it was, but he had a humanoid robot and he just slammed it.

00:46:29.000 Was it cut or not?

00:46:30.000 No, it was someone else.

00:46:31.000 But yeah, he just slammed it at full speed and the robot didn't know what was going on.

00:46:34.000 He felt bad.

00:46:35.000 You could tell the robot knew he did.

00:46:37.000 The robot felt bad.

00:46:39.000 The robot didn't feel anything.

00:46:40.000 Don't humanize him that much.

00:46:41.000 So it's like, I don't know, if the robots can't figure out, like, they got to figure out the mirrors first.

00:46:45.000 Because I have a lot of mirrors.

00:46:46.000 I don't want them breaking.

00:46:47.000 They look like tunnels, too, if you look into them long enough.

00:46:49.000 It's like a Looney Tunes kind of thing where you paint the tunnels.

00:46:52.000 Especially if you have a mirror behind you and in front of you.

00:46:54.000 It's an infinite chamber of mirror.

00:46:55.000 Here we go.

00:46:56.000 Here we go.

00:46:59.000 Is that real?

00:47:00.000 Yeah, that is real, isn't it?

00:47:01.000 That's a big shooting.

00:47:02.000 That's my mirror.

00:47:03.000 What are you doing?

00:47:07.000 I don't know if that's real.

00:47:08.000 One of your units just ran into my mirror and it's causing damage.

00:47:10.000 I'm a little worried.

00:47:12.000 That's not going to work.

00:47:15.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:16.000 No, but this has been how I've seen other TikToks and stuff of this.

00:47:19.000 It's like an epidemic.

00:47:20.000 Well, I mean, slamming into mirrors.

00:47:21.000 I believe you, but don't.

00:47:22.000 They slam into windows like a dog.

00:47:24.000 I mean, dogs have this problem already when dogs can't tell or slam it.

00:47:28.000 You know, to be honest with you, I understand that, but I think that they'll probably fix that problem.

00:47:34.000 But how?

00:47:34.000 I don't know.

00:47:35.000 Ian, how would they fix it?

00:47:36.000 Sonar, maybe, like, other things than light, using other things than light to measure your surroundings.

00:47:41.000 No, no, what I bet you'll do?

00:47:44.000 They'll make the robot, they'll basically give the robot an understanding of what he is.

00:47:48.000 So when it sees itself in a mirror, oh, that's a mirror.

00:47:51.000 And he'll say, if you see this, you know, because robot, because that's what Tesla is doing.

00:47:55.000 They're saying, look, we want them to look at the world the way the humans do.

00:47:59.000 So the Tesla robots are identifying things just using vision, right?

00:48:05.000 That's what the car does, my car.

00:48:07.000 Let's just cut through the ice rest at a five-year-old, whatever.

00:48:10.000 I'm sure the kid was probably doing something.

00:48:12.000 I don't know who it is.

00:48:12.000 Bobby, do you think we're doing sex robots?

00:48:15.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:48:16.000 Yes, of course, but not they're starting in Japanese.

00:48:19.000 First of all, my issue was primarily cop robots that make decisions.

00:48:25.000 That was my issue.

00:48:26.000 That's what I've been thinking about this whole time.

00:48:27.000 No, no, this is the interesting thing, apparently.

00:48:29.000 I would say, absolutely, that has to happen.

00:48:32.000 I would say that will absolutely happen if it hasn't already.

00:48:35.000 You know, you've heard my take on this, right?

00:48:37.000 Haven't you seen Next Machina, that movie?

00:48:39.000 Oh, dude, yeah, it's a goonbot. 0.99

00:48:40.000 That seems to me likely the most likely scenario.

00:48:43.000 Although the turning into a humanoid or whatever at the end, I don't know. 0.68

00:48:47.000 Well, because there was an article in the New York Post from like 10 years ago where they're like by 2025, the majority of women will be having sex with robots. 1.00

00:48:52.000 Yes.

00:48:53.000 And a few roomba situations that got a little weird, but apart from that, I don't think it's happened.

00:48:57.000 I mean, they kind of are a little bit already.

00:48:59.000 Look, a little bit.

00:49:00.000 Vibrators or robots, whether you want to actually consider that the truth or not, they really are.

00:49:07.000 But when it comes to goonbots, they will actually become a thing once the robots can wash themselves.

00:49:14.000 Right.

00:49:14.000 Yeah.

00:49:14.000 That's because nobody's going to want to, you know, like actually having to take it apart to clean it and self-cleaning goonbot in the shower.

00:49:24.000 They got to be waterproof, obviously.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, obviously.

00:49:29.000 Well, because that's what's interesting is like, you know, a lot of these fellas, a lot of these, the guys are really receiving a lot of vitriol for like rizzing up ChatGPT.

00:49:37.000 Because when I see them, you know, show what their chat logs look like, a lot of times it's just like epic game.

00:49:42.000 I'm like, you know, I kind of respect you really did rizz up ChatGPT.

00:49:45.000 Something that's interesting to me, this is a bit dark, but I've seen this happen a few times, is when a guy like fumbles a girl.

00:49:53.000 For people in the crowd, don't know what fumbling means.

00:49:55.000 It means he failed to, you know, close a deal, making her his wife, or that sort of thing.

00:50:01.000 They load their text messages from the girl they fumbled into ChatGPT to recreate her personality.

00:50:07.000 And this has happened a few times.

00:50:09.000 I thought you were going to go a different way with that.

00:50:11.000 So the work game on the old girl's personality, then can they be like increased difficulty? 0.93

00:50:17.000 And then it's like, oh, now it's even harder.

00:50:19.000 My game, it's like up a notch.

00:50:20.000 Now it's two in the afternoon.

00:50:21.000 She's not drunk anymore.

00:50:23.000 You got to try a little harder.

00:50:24.000 Right.

00:50:24.000 I think there's Sergeant Michael Fire.

00:50:26.000 There was a TikTok of a guy.

00:50:27.000 He did this.

00:50:28.000 He fumbled completely.

00:50:29.000 It was very embarrassing.

00:50:29.000 He was demoralized.

00:50:31.000 Loaded the text messages into ChatGPT to recreate the personality.

00:50:34.000 And then he did something similar where he won her back through ChatGPT ChatGPT.

00:50:38.000 Like, push him out to win her back.

00:50:39.000 I don't know if it worked or not.

00:50:42.000 I would hope not for that lady, for that gal. 1.00

00:50:44.000 I hope that she did not get won back by the guy that uploaded her personality.

00:50:48.000 She's just utilizing resources. 1.00

00:50:50.000 Yeah, because if you did, would you make ChatGPT the godfather?

00:50:53.000 Ooh, right.

00:50:56.000 If it got you back together with the girl, eventually she's going to be comfortable enough with you telling her.

00:50:59.000 And who would be the godmother?

00:51:01.000 Wait, did he upload the text messages?

00:51:06.000 I thought you were saying he uploaded the text messages for the purpose of recreating her absence.

00:51:10.000 You're saying he did that to learn better so that he could go back to get her back.

00:51:14.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:51:15.000 Most of them are doing it for the absence because they're, you know, that's just whatever.

00:51:18.000 It's hard, I guess.

00:51:19.000 But that's a specific gentleman was doing it to like, I'm going back in, but I need to be like a pro.

00:51:25.000 That actually I would say is okay.

00:51:26.000 But the person that's doing it to replace her absence, I'd equate that to like those TLC shows where the girl eats paper towels or eats like couch cushions or whatever. 1.00

00:51:34.000 It's like, you don't exist.

00:51:36.000 It's like the guy that marries the doll.

00:51:38.000 I'm just going to pretend you don't exist.

00:51:39.000 Anything that facilitates humans interacting with humans and helps people that are having problems, you know, communicating with people, I think that it's actually okay.

00:51:49.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:51:50.000 No, because sometimes it's like...

00:51:52.000 Because the goal is human interaction.

00:51:54.000 And that's something that we lack nowadays.

00:51:57.000 This sounds bad.

00:51:57.000 This sounds mean.

00:51:58.000 But you remember on TLC, they had that show where it was like My Weird Addiction.

00:52:01.000 And there was the one guy who had a romantic relationship with those fire trucks.

00:52:04.000 He was like really into fire trucks.

00:52:05.000 No, I don't remember that show at all.

00:52:06.000 I think I do remember.

00:52:07.000 Yeah, there was just a lot of stuff.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, My Strange Addiction.

00:52:11.000 That guy, again, this is really mean.

00:52:13.000 I'm sorry if you're in the audience, the fire truck lover, but it's probably good if he's removed from the gene pool.

00:52:18.000 I was just thinking that.

00:52:19.000 It's not personal, but that's how nature functions.

00:52:21.000 If a child's born with crippling, you know, debilitation, it doesn't survive.

00:52:25.000 But if you have Chat GPT to tell it how to get the girl, it just might.

00:52:29.000 You just took my example and turned it up to like Gooner 10.

00:52:33.000 I'm talking about like helping people to interact.

00:52:36.000 People that are like a little on the reserve side, because there's also a lot of people who are deserving love.

00:52:40.000 But they deserve love.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, because I'm not talking about like dudes that want to bang toasters.

00:52:45.000 I'm talking about like, you know, if you're on banging toasters.

00:52:49.000 We've all been there.

00:52:49.000 If you're an introverted person, it's difficult to learn to interact with people and stuff.

00:52:55.000 Like, look, so I'm a fairly introverted kind of guy, right?

00:52:58.000 Normally.

00:52:59.000 I had to learn how to interact with people.

00:53:01.000 And I'm perfectly fine with it nowadays.

00:53:04.000 But, you know, because of being a guy in a band, a singer, like people want to talk to me.

00:53:07.000 So I had to learn how to interact with people, how to act like a normal person, not to be like, you know, feel uncomfortable.

00:53:13.000 People that are extroverted, they go out and they hang out with people and they're like, oh, I feel great.

00:53:17.000 You know, they get after that, they feel energized and stuff.

00:53:21.000 People that are introverted, they go and they hang out with people and they're like, man, I need some time away from people.

00:53:24.000 I need time alone.

00:53:25.000 And I had to learn how to get through that.

00:53:28.000 If you have a chat bot that helps you to learn to interact with people so that way you can go out and do normal people things, not bang toasters, but go out and do normal human being things.

00:53:38.000 I think that that's actually a win for society because it'll help to get people to, it'll help to get people to make more babies, to interact, have more fulfilled lives.

00:53:48.000 Because human connection is the thing that makes people feel fulfilled.

00:53:51.000 And if you are a person that's kind of depressed and don't really know how to talk to people, but you talk with a chat bot and it kind of helps you build up your confidence and you can go out and interact with people better, you're going to have more people that are better adjusted and you're going to have more people that feel more confident going on.

00:54:09.000 And obviously it's not going to work for everybody, but the people that it helps will actually have a more fulfilled and gratifying life.

00:54:15.000 A little humiliating, but I'll mention it.

00:54:17.000 When I got that same benefit from playing The Sims, they had like psychologists help develop the first few, I think, and watching them interact.

00:54:26.000 Like if you tried to hug a person over and over again, the person's like, ah, that's true.

00:54:30.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:54:31.000 And you learn about these little things like, maybe now is not the time to tell her you love her.

00:54:35.000 Maybe just let her rest.

00:54:36.000 And then like, okay, this is actually kind of helping me get out of a pit that I was in.

00:54:40.000 And I kind of, you know, I stopped smoking pot and I was okay.

00:54:44.000 No, that actually is a that actually is a fair point.

00:54:47.000 And I would say that chat GPT is no different than reading a relationship book or anything else.

00:54:51.000 How to win friends and influence people by AI.

00:54:53.000 So that's Arnegie.

00:54:54.000 That's a nice positive, absolutely.

00:54:56.000 But yeah, it was the uploading the girlfriend's personality in there, I thought, to replace her.

00:55:00.000 That kind of set me.

00:55:01.000 Yeah.

00:55:02.000 I was like, I don't know about that.

00:55:03.000 All right, we're going to jump to this next story here.

00:55:06.000 A little more white pilling for you guys. 0.72

00:55:08.000 From CBS News, murders plummeted more than 20% in U.S. last year.

00:55:13.000 The largest drop on record study shows.

00:55:15.000 I hear that it's the, oh, actually, it says right here.

00:55:17.000 Murders plummeted more than 20% in 2025 from the year before, the single largest one-year drop on record, and it might be the lowest murder rate in the U.S. since 1900, a study released Thursday by the Council on Criminal Justice found.

00:55:28.000 The annual crime trends report analyzed data from 40 large cities across the United States for 13 different crime types, including murder, carjapping, theft, and drug offenses.

00:55:38.000 Alongside homicide, which dropped 21% from 2024, carjackings have declined 61% since 2023, while shoplifting is down 10% since 2024.

00:55:47.000 In general, the overall crime rate declined with violent crimes at or below level seen in 2019.

00:55:53.000 The analysis found drug offenses were the only category that rose during this period.

00:55:57.000 Well, sexual assault remained even.

00:55:59.000 This is actually evidence that deporting people is probably a good thing. 1.00

00:56:05.000 If you are going to send, if you're going to close the border, right, and stop people coming in, and that's going to have a 20% drop in murder, never open the border again.

00:56:17.000 Never.

00:56:18.000 Like, I mean, I mean, obviously, I'm being a little hyperbolic there, but like deporting criminals works.

00:56:25.000 Deporting criminals not just gets criminals out, but it makes criminals less likely to commit crime because they're going to get F and deported.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, it makes the illegal immigrants less likely to commit violent crimes because they're more likely to get tossed.

00:56:43.000 I don't know why I just repeated what you said.

00:56:45.000 That's true.

00:56:46.000 I think that this is, I don't think any person could think that this is a bad thing.

00:56:50.000 Like, we all want the murder rate to be lower.

00:56:53.000 But not to like, don't call me black pilled.

00:56:55.000 But when I look at what they're saying there, they said from 40 large cities.

00:56:59.000 So which 40 large cities?

00:57:00.000 That's one thing.

00:57:01.000 The second thing is that when Biden was the president, one of the things that Trump said is that the, and a lot of Republicans said is that the crime statistics are not real because they're not reporting to the FBI in these certain areas.

00:57:13.000 So the crime statistics are off the charts.

00:57:15.000 So it's like, are the time, are the crime statistics that they're giving us now to prove that they're low, are those correct?

00:57:22.000 Are they being compared to the ones that were the real statistics that we didn't have because they weren't reporting it?

00:57:27.000 So what even is anything?

00:57:29.000 And it says 40 cities, which 40 cities have it?

00:57:31.000 Did any other cities go up?

00:57:33.000 So as much as I want and like to celebrate this and would love to believe that it's true, these little small details confuse me where it's like, if we had the worst economy a year ago and now we have the best economy in the world, if we had the highest crime rate ever and now we have the best, it's like, where are we, where are we?

00:57:50.000 What are you trying to sell me, CBS News?

00:57:52.000 Like, what are you trying to convince me?

00:57:55.000 Like, I don't think if you're in the Trump administration or if you're a Trump supporter, we should just be like jumping for joy over this.

00:57:55.000 I'm with Bobby.

00:58:01.000 Because to your point, I mean, these cities are starting to phone it in probably maliciously on their crime data because they're like, we can go to these cities.

00:58:10.000 Things are not improving. 0.98

00:58:11.000 Like, we're not idiots. 0.99

00:58:13.000 Philadelphia is not improving. 1.00

00:58:14.000 New York City, not improving.

00:58:15.000 Los Angeles, not improving.

00:58:16.000 Even Omaha, I've never been, but Raleigh, not improving.

00:58:19.000 So it's like there's no way that Los Angeles saw a 39% drop in homicides.

00:58:27.000 That's absurd.

00:58:29.000 And then you dig into it.

00:58:30.000 Like you're seeing where they play it fast and literally like the racial classifications where it'll be like an obvious like Guatemalan and they're like, it's a white guy.

00:58:36.000 Well, okay, so these cities, right?

00:58:39.000 So New York, Philadelphia, Omaha, Nebraska, Raleigh, North Carolina, these are, these are Democrat-run cities.

00:58:45.000 So, so what, what, what would be the benefit for them to give crime statistics that are lower?

00:58:45.000 Right.

00:58:54.000 They don't want the National Guard coming in.

00:58:56.000 That's the whole reason.

00:58:59.000 Or to re-elect their or to re-elect more Democrats, for example.

00:59:03.000 Yeah, the Trump administration has made it very clear that if you can't clean up your mess and we're sending in the National Guard, we're going to put pressure on you.

00:59:08.000 We're going to even touch your federal funding.

00:59:10.000 So all that really did, it was great.

00:59:13.000 I'm 100% supportive of the National Guard coming in.

00:59:17.000 But this is why we can't trust the crime data now because they are now directly incentivized to muddy the data.

00:59:23.000 And people were saying, people, for the record, people were saying, you can go on Twitter.

00:59:26.000 People were saying this when the first crackdown happened in Washington, D.C.

00:59:29.000 They said, these police departments are going to start fudging the numbers to keep the Trump administration from sending in the National Guard.

00:59:37.000 And also to keep Democrats in power in those respective areas.

00:59:40.000 It's like, look, we got the crime down.

00:59:42.000 So, you know, if in any movie that you've ever watched about politics, it's like they want the mayor wants to get re-elected.

00:59:47.000 Let's just not classify that as what it is.

00:59:50.000 But that's a double-edged sword because the Republicans are going to use that saying, look at how successful Donald Trump is.

00:59:55.000 Look at how successful Donald Trump's policies have been.

00:59:58.000 And so you've got, I mean, I think that the, I'm not sure which is a more compelling narrative because again, if Republicans are saying, look, our immigration policies have caused crime to go down, et cetera, et cetera.

01:00:12.000 You know, people that aren't from these cities are going to say, well, okay, well, that's pretty good.

01:00:16.000 Maybe I should vote for the Republicans again.

01:00:18.000 And then the individual cities, obviously the politicians from the individual cities will say, well, see, my policies are actually good and they're reducing crime.

01:00:28.000 So maybe there will be more, maybe Democrats that are in positions of power now will get re-elected, but it still will credit the Donald Trump administration.

01:00:37.000 I would just say that I haven't seen them ever reference his job being bad as it relates to murders and or crime.

01:00:45.000 I don't think that that's like a winning argument for them.

01:00:48.000 So if even if you gave this to him, you still have a whole pile of other issues that you could hammer him on.

01:00:53.000 So the murder rate being good serves your ends more than it hurts him.

01:01:00.000 That's how you take it.

01:01:02.000 Do you think that the Donald Trump administration is going to be able to capitalize on this kind of information and say, look, our policies are helping?

01:01:10.000 I mean, they might try.

01:01:11.000 They shouldn't.

01:01:13.000 Because it's just not from a political, like from a political science point of view, it's not actually advantageous to applaud blue cities for lowering crime.

01:01:23.000 I mean, you could attribute it to some directives from the federal government, but that just doesn't seem wise.

01:01:29.000 The Trump administration right now is actually incentivized to accurately portray the situation in the cities, which is they are out of control.

01:01:36.000 They like are crying out for federal intervention.

01:01:40.000 I haven't seen, I mean, maybe I'm wrong.

01:01:42.000 I actually haven't seen any federal agencies like, you know, chest beating over this data, nor should they.

01:01:50.000 They should continue doing what Trump had talked about previously, which is that some of this data is skewed.

01:01:55.000 But what's not being talked about, what should be talked about, is that they're also misrepresenting racial crime data.

01:02:00.000 And it creates a lot of problems.

01:02:02.000 It makes it more difficult to draw a policy to accurately give the people a picture of what's going on. 0.99

01:02:07.000 Because in most of these cities, it's mostly black people committing the violent crime. 1.00

01:02:10.000 But now you're seeing the black crime rate drop down. 0.99

01:02:13.000 And then you just dig a little bit. 0.79

01:02:14.000 You just spot check different cases and it'll be like literally a Guatemalan, literally a black guy.

01:02:19.000 And they'll be like, it was a white guy.

01:02:21.000 Well, I'm aware of the fact that there are times where they'll go ahead and misrepresent the race of the person committing crime, and particularly when it comes to Hispanic or Latino people, they'll call them white.

01:02:34.000 And it's never the other, it's never like a white person getting labeled as black or Hispanic.

01:02:38.000 It's just because, again, there's different incentive structures that would kick in if you accurately sort of laid out to the American people like who's committing the violent crime.

01:02:48.000 I mean, we saw it after Arena's Rutzco.

01:02:50.000 Like everyone for like two weeks was very comfortable going out and saying black crime is a huge problem. 0.98

01:02:54.000 Just black culture in general is making our cities unlivable. 1.00

01:02:58.000 But then like two weeks later, granted Charlie happened. 0.90

01:03:01.000 So that was, that took precedent.

01:03:03.000 But then after that, like people stopped talking about it.

01:03:05.000 And I was like, okay, well, we're never going to actually like our cities are never going to be livable until we're just very direct and can and confront like black crime as a reality. 1.00

01:03:13.000 It reminds me of, it reminds me of in 2020 when it was the elections and the ballot issues and proving it.

01:03:20.000 And I remember thinking to myself, you know, if I was a leftist mailman, for example, and I obtained a bag of what I knew to be votes and I didn't want Trump to win because I thought he was a fascist dictator that was going to destroy the country and democracy would die forever.

01:03:36.000 You know, couldn't I, wouldn't nobody have to tell me that I should just throw these ballots in the garbage and pretend that I lost them if I got them from a, let's say, a nursing home in a red area that I knew that they were likely to be Trump ballots.

01:03:48.000 Wouldn't I just know to throw them out because I'm helping to save the dictator?

01:03:52.000 I would wager that it's highly likely that these types of things as well could be altered in that same way, where you don't necessarily need to get a directive from the top-down Democratic Party to say, hey, fudge these numbers, but they're like, hey, man, you know, the captain of the police squad says, don't put it in as a black guy, put it in as a white guy.

01:04:09.000 And it just kind of trickles through us like an unspoken understanding where this benefits us.

01:04:14.000 And what it also does is it makes Trump going and knocking down doors and getting people out not seem like it's justified because it's really not that violent.

01:04:23.000 Police unions are one of the last institutions in America that are actually conservative still.

01:04:27.000 Like if you go and, again, spot check different cities, look at their police unions, they're typically endorsing Republicans.

01:04:32.000 They're typically made up.

01:04:33.000 I mean, police officers, we all know police officers, like the majority of police officers are like conservative patriots.

01:04:38.000 It's the police chiefs, which are appointed by the mayor, or it's sheriffs, which are elected by the county.

01:04:43.000 Typically, these counties are blue.

01:04:45.000 So unfortunately, they're taking directives from those guys.

01:04:48.000 And then also a lot of the desk jobs and police departments are not staffed by like patriots that are on the patrol.

01:04:54.000 They're staffed by just whoever they can find a lot of times.

01:04:56.000 No offense to there's some great people I know that work on police desks, but they're pulled out of like the general population.

01:05:01.000 They're not like police, like hardened police officers.

01:05:04.000 So those are the people that probably have more of a liberal leaning and would be incentivized to hide the ball a little bit and what's going on in these cities.

01:05:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:12.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:05:13.000 It's like, I wouldn't be surprised if that type of thing was happening.

01:05:16.000 It's all types of statistical reporting and all types of everything.

01:05:19.000 And even in newsrooms or whatever.

01:05:22.000 If you were a leftist reporter that was for a, let's call it a middle of the line outlet or something, I don't know how many, how many journalists are there with you on the scene to get whatever the story is?

01:05:32.000 Could you alter it a little bit to serve your own ends?

01:05:35.000 Could that happen?

01:05:36.000 Because if you frame Trump as the second coming of the worst dictator in the history of time and the democracy is going to die in darkness and we're going to lose democracy forever and this guy represents an existential threat to humanity as a whole, it's like the collective modification that would happen all the way up and down the chain without any directive, I think would be everywhere.

01:05:55.000 Yeah, it's all it's all incentive structures.

01:05:57.000 Like, I mean, you're exactly right.

01:05:59.000 It's like, I mean, it's not, you know, a top down.

01:06:02.000 It's not Nancy Pelosi giving out talking points to like the Jacksonville County Sheriff's Department. 0.92

01:06:06.000 It's just like, it's all unspoken.

01:06:08.000 It's all like, this kind of looks a little bad.

01:06:10.000 Maybe we can clean things up a little bit.

01:06:12.000 And they can justify it to themselves.

01:06:14.000 They can come up with like reasons for why they're doing these things, even if it's explicitly racial justice or something, which you do see from time to time.

01:06:20.000 But yeah, Bobby, I think that's a lot of people.

01:06:21.000 More than that, I think that's the motivating factor for most of the left generally.

01:06:28.000 It helps them moralize these things.

01:06:31.000 And so, yeah, it's not like a top-down directive, even in the media.

01:06:34.000 Like, even in the media, it's not the New York Times.

01:06:37.000 I mean, they do have a relationship, obviously, with the Democrat Party.

01:06:39.000 In many ways, they're like the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, but none of these things require like directives.

01:06:44.000 A lot of these things are just these people are instinctually liberals, they're instinctually left-wing, and they view themselves as part of a revolution.

01:06:50.000 And so they're going to behave in accordance with that.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, that's something that we talked about: the lack of necessity for liberals or progressives to act like progressives, right?

01:06:59.000 Like you get the, you don't, whereas there are times where I think there's a script that comes out for specific issues, there are things that they want like the thought leaders to say.

01:07:09.000 Overall, you don't have to instruct the progressive on what to say on each individual issue because it's like you don't have to tell a Catholic how to be a Catholic.

01:07:22.000 The liberal progressive really does treat their politics as if it's a religion.

01:07:28.000 And because of that, you don't have to tell them, oh, this is what you're supposed to think about this, or this is what you're supposed to think about this.

01:07:34.000 You'll get some variation in the way that they apply the doctrine.

01:07:40.000 But if you're a liberal progressive that went to college, that kind of was indoctrinated with that thought process, it doesn't take someone telling you what to think or this is this issue, you have this opinion, this issue, you have this vision, because the doctrine is part of the way that you see the world.

01:07:58.000 When people would talk about critical race theory, that phrase has kind of fallen out of favor and people say, oh, woke is dead, so we don't have to worry about it.

01:08:06.000 It's totally wrong because it's not about just one policy or just some people.

01:08:13.000 It's a way to view the world.

01:08:16.000 And it's taught from, you know, from great nowadays, there are people that are out in society that were taught from grade school all the way through college and they got into jobs and human resources.

01:08:29.000 And so that's just the way they see the world.

01:08:32.000 It doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be instructed to anymore.

01:08:35.000 This is, to them, that's how reality is.

01:08:38.000 And that's part of why there's such a divide between the right and the left.

01:08:41.000 People on the right didn't internalize those ideas or were insulated from them somehow, whether it be through family, through their church, through whatever it may be.

01:08:51.000 And people on the left, they really do see the world through this critical lens where you have to try your best to make sure that you are trying to implement justice for the marginalized communities in every aspect and every chance you get.

01:09:08.000 Well, you need to look like that's what you're trying to do.

01:09:11.000 More so than you actually actually, more than you actually have to be effective at doing it.

01:09:16.000 You need people to think that you're empathetic to them.

01:09:19.000 What actually happens doesn't matter.

01:09:20.000 You just want them to think that you are like that.

01:09:22.000 Which is, it kind of adds to my point about it being a religion.

01:09:25.000 Like there are plenty of Christians out there and plenty of people that would say that they're religious, that they're in church on Sunday and then on Tuesday they're out with the boys chasing skirts around town or while their wife's home with the kids or whatever.

01:09:40.000 There are plenty of people that can that are doing things just to keep up appearances.

01:09:46.000 Yeah, like a lot of leftism I think is very performative where if you come to them and you say, well, even though I want to protect this group of people and protect this class of people, when you put this policy in that you guys think helps this group of people, here's what actually happens.

01:10:01.000 It ends up way worse than it is.

01:10:02.000 Oh, I don't know about all that.

01:10:04.000 And by me disagreeing with all the people that look empathetic by doing the wrong thing, well, that puts me out of it.

01:10:10.000 So I don't care about what actually happens.

01:10:12.000 I care about how it looks like it, like I think, or how empathetic I am here.

01:10:17.000 And then they get stuck in that trap where now they hate you and they could just say, well, he's not empathetic.

01:10:22.000 That's not me.

01:10:23.000 I mean, look, if the left really cared about people that were downtrodden and stuff, they'd all be like, you know, progressives.

01:10:30.000 I mean, they'd all be capitalists that want to have strong property rights because the engine that takes people out of poverty that has shown over and over again is free markets and property rights.

01:10:42.000 Those things, if you give those, if you give a population property rights and free markets, then you're going to see a massive increase in wealth and you're going to see a huge amount of the population be pulled out of poverty.

01:10:54.000 And then, I mean, in the United States, the only people that are in actual poverty are people that can't function in our society due to mental illness or sometimes drug addiction.

01:11:04.000 But it's a very, very, very small amount of people in the U.S. that are that are chronically poor.

01:11:10.000 And whether you like him or not, Ben Shapiro has made this point a lot.

01:11:14.000 There's really only three things you got to do.

01:11:15.000 Don't have a kid outside of marriage, keep a job for 10 years and get married.

01:11:20.000 And you'll probably not be in poverty.

01:11:23.000 You won't be chronically in poverty.

01:11:24.000 You may, you know, people hit on hard times, people who lose jobs and stuff.

01:11:29.000 But if you do those things, you can get out of poverty and have a pretty good life in the United States.

01:11:35.000 Well, irrespective of the cause of the poverty, generally speaking, the free market principles and not the just give us handout is ultimately what will pull them out of it.

01:11:45.000 It's like by putting them on the dole, by putting them on food stamps in perpetuity for life and not encouraging them to get a job or whatever, you're creating the environment for them to be trapped in that as opposed to get them out of it.

01:11:58.000 So we both want to help the poor person.

01:12:01.000 This one will just actually create lasting change.

01:12:03.000 This will actually trap them, but you'll get all the woke points in the now.

01:12:07.000 And that's why they don't care about what happens.

01:12:09.000 They just care about how it looks right now.

01:12:10.000 The problem is like with all of this is we're only talking about like what white liberals are advocating for.

01:12:17.000 And you see this problem all around the world.

01:12:18.000 This is actually like a good example is Malaysia where you have the Malay population which underperforms the Chinese population overperforms. 1.00

01:12:25.000 And the Malay population in Malaysia sets up these massive incentive networks like from the government through welfare, through food stamps to a degree, these sorts of things. 1.00

01:12:34.000 Because like you can never expect a group that underperforms for whatever reason you want to prescribe like why they underperform.

01:12:40.000 You can never expect them to not advocate for government subsidies.

01:12:43.000 They're going to want to subsidize their existence to a degree. 0.71

01:12:47.000 So the United States, like part of the issue is, yes, white liberals advocate for these policies because they just perceive like it's going to help them, even though it's misguided and wrong.

01:12:55.000 But like black Americans, Hispanic Americans to a degree will advocate for these policies purely so they feel like they can keep up with the rest of the country. 0.99

01:13:03.000 And so it's really, this is not a uniquely American problem.

01:13:05.000 This occurs all over the world is when there is a population in a country that underperforms, naturally they're going to advocate for policies that benefit that population, no matter their size.

01:13:14.000 Like you see it in South Africa where like black Africans make up like 80% of the country and they have completely reoriented the government to provide them with subsidies, provide them with welfare networks because again, they're just trying to, in their eyes, keep up. 0.99

01:13:27.000 And so obviously if they're underperforming, they're just going to advocate for policies that provide them with subsidies, provide them with welfare benefits and that sort of thing.

01:13:34.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 All right.

01:13:35.000 We're going to jump to this story here.

01:13:36.000 And this is a little bit lighter fare.

01:13:37.000 From the New York Post, Jared Kushner shows off renderings of futuristic Gaza with skyscrapers and suburbs.

01:13:44.000 Maragaza, ladies and gentlemen, it is on the way.

01:13:47.000 Jared Kushner unveiled an ambitious vision Thursday for a cosmopolitan Gaza strip that will attract investment and tourists after years of war, looking much like his father-in-law, President Trump's call for converting the war-torn Mediterranean territory into a Riviera of the Middle East.

01:14:02.000 Kushner 45 showed off renderings of Lux beachfront skyscrapers and suburban subdivisions for the Palestinian territories, nearly 2 million people, many of whom are currently living in tents beneath rubble in the aftermath of a two-year war that ended in October.

01:14:18.000 I mean, you can look at these pictures, and I mean, it looks great.

01:14:21.000 Um, if Israel doesn't vomit, you know, Gaza 51st state two years ago. 0.85

01:14:29.000 No, this is another example of Ian was right.

01:14:32.000 So acknowledge I'm a prophet and that I will be your future president.

01:14:36.000 It's not, it's not going to be a 51st state, it is not going to be a U.S. territory.

01:14:41.000 Uh, you think it'll be Israeli territory?

01:14:43.000 Uh, I assume so, yeah.

01:14:45.000 I assume so.

01:14:46.000 They're trying to set it up where there's going to be like an interim administration.

01:14:51.000 They're claiming it'll be Palestinian-led, and then eventually they do want to turn the governance of the territory back over to the PLO.

01:14:58.000 And then, this is the purpose of this Council of Board of Peace, things that they're calling it, is they're basically going to try and set up these international structures that will ensure the PLO doesn't just like read like they don't vote for Hamas again. 0.57

01:15:10.000 Well, I mean, the PLO, if it's the PLO, it might actually be something that's possible because, you know, the people in Gaza voted for Hamas, and Hamas, you know, then they ended elections, and Hamas was like, all right, we are here to kill Jews, right?

01:15:27.000 Like, that's their whole existence.

01:15:29.000 Whereas if you look at the way the West Bank works, like, you don't have the same kind of violence from the West Bank.

01:15:35.000 Now, there are obviously some, there are clashes, and there are problems.

01:15:38.000 There are problems with the Israeli settlements, and there's disagreements and fights about that, but it's not what Gaza was, right? 0.99

01:15:45.000 Like, Gaza had they had to close the borders with Gaza because Gaza was constantly firing rockets into Israel and stuff.

01:15:52.000 So, if you can get the PLO in there, the Palestinian Authority, like, yeah, not the PLO, is it the PLO?

01:15:57.000 The PLO.

01:15:58.000 Yeah, the PLO.

01:15:58.000 The Palestinian liberation.

01:15:59.000 Well, that was the Palestinian. 1.00

01:16:01.000 Well, no, now it's the Palestinian Authority, right? 0.73

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 So, if you can get the Palestinian Authority into Gaza and have them in charge, I think that it's possible. 0.84

01:16:10.000 The new Rafah, they're talking about 100,000-plus permanent housing units, 200-plus education centers, cultural, religious, and vocational centers, and 75 medical facilities.

01:16:22.000 New Gaza, which would be developed later, would be a hub of industry and employment, he said.

01:16:27.000 In the beginning, we're toying with the idea of saying, let's build a free zone, and then we have a Hamas zone. 0.94

01:16:33.000 And then we said, you know what?

01:16:34.000 Let's just plan for catastrophic success, says Kushner, who, alongside special envoy Steve Witkoff, brokered an end to the war.

01:16:41.000 Kushner also negotiated the Abraham Accords, establishing Israeli relations with four Arab countries during Trump's first term.

01:16:47.000 And so the grandiose reconstruction vision may likewise seem impossible before it happens.

01:16:52.000 Hamas signs a deal to demilitarize.

01:16:55.000 That is what we are going to enforce.

01:16:57.000 People ask us what our plan is.

01:16:59.000 What our plan B is.

01:17:00.000 We do not have a plan B, he said.

01:17:02.000 We have a plan.

01:17:03.000 We signed an agreement.

01:17:03.000 We are all committed to making that agreement work.

01:17:05.000 There's a master plan.

01:17:07.000 We'll be doing it in phases.

01:17:09.000 They've got demilitarization principles.

01:17:12.000 The next hundred days.

01:17:13.000 Do you think that this is something that's possible, Tay?

01:17:16.000 No.

01:17:16.000 No?

01:17:16.000 No.

01:17:17.000 No, it's never going to happen.

01:17:18.000 I mean, like, part of the issue.

01:17:19.000 I mean, Kushner's pretty good at this stuff.

01:17:21.000 Yeah.

01:17:22.000 But the X factor is like the population.

01:17:24.000 I mean, because that's the X factor.

01:17:27.000 You know, not to dunk on Gazans.

01:17:29.000 Like, it's not my intention when I'm just saying this as a reality is the reason the West Bank is somewhat functional and Gaza is not is because there's literally, I think it's like a 15 to 20 point IQ difference between Palestinians in Gaza and Palestinians in the West Bank. 0.54

01:17:43.000 Because the West Bank, like if you look, like Bethlehem, for example, like the birthplace of Christ, by law, they have to have a Christian mayor. 0.92

01:17:50.000 Like the West Bank has a lot of these like actually fairly decent agreements with the local population.

01:17:56.000 It's a much more stitched together, like formalized part of the world.

01:18:01.000 And then Gaza is like a war zone and it has been for the last 20, 30 years.

01:18:05.000 I don't know how you get the population of Gaza out of that mentality. 0.75

01:18:12.000 So that's kind of the question.

01:18:13.000 And it wasn't addressed in this.

01:18:14.000 It's like, okay, well, what are you going to do with the Gazans?

01:18:17.000 And what seems to be happening is with Somaliland being set up, obviously now they've been recognized by Israel and they'll probably be in turn recognized by the United States and probably a few other Western nations is the plan is they're going to try and dump a lot of the Gazans there because that's been the biggest issue from the Israeli perspective is that they want to just push the Gazans out. 0.82

01:18:40.000 The question is where?

01:18:41.000 Because these Arab states will not take it. 1.00

01:18:43.000 Nobody wants to take it.

01:18:43.000 Every time you get a large population of the Palestinians, at least the Gazans, they try to take over the country.

01:18:50.000 Well, and they tried to take over Kuwait.

01:18:53.000 Jordan says we're not going to take them.

01:18:54.000 Egypt, there was an uprising.

01:18:55.000 Well, also to steel man the Arabs' position on why they don't want to take the Gazans because they believe that the only leverage that they have in this entire conflict is the fact that Gazans are there.

01:19:06.000 And so if you take the Gazans out, the Palestinians out of Gaza, then there's zero leverage left for the Arab states. 0.57

01:19:12.000 Like Israel can just effectively annex it.

01:19:14.000 So that's the primary reason.

01:19:16.000 Like Egypt, for example, doesn't want to take them. 0.98

01:19:18.000 Yes, there's like the political ramifications of taking them in.

01:19:21.000 Like Lebanon is a great example. 1.00

01:19:23.000 Lebanon used to be primarily Christian.

01:19:25.000 It was like 70% Christian at its establishment.

01:19:27.000 Actually, the French designated Lebanon to be like the Christian state in the Middle East.

01:19:31.000 And then as soon as a lot of the Palestinian refugees flooded in, changed the demographics. 1.00

01:19:35.000 Now Lebanon's, by all accounts, a disaster. 1.00

01:19:38.000 But personally, I also agree.

01:19:41.000 I think it's the primary reason these Arab states don't want to take the Gazans in is because they feel like once you take them in as refugees, they won't go back.

01:19:46.000 And then Israel can basically do what they want in Gaza. 0.65

01:19:48.000 And then that takes away any leverage that the Arab states would have in the Gaza situation.

01:19:52.000 So it's less that they don't want to take them.

01:19:53.000 It's more about that they want them to stay there.

01:19:55.000 They want them to stay there.

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:57.000 Again, that's their position.

01:19:58.000 And that's what I suspect also.

01:20:00.000 I think that probably is their reasoning for it.

01:20:03.000 I mean, Phil has a point, and that's a factor of it.

01:20:06.000 They've seen what happened in Lebanon to a degree in Jordan.

01:20:09.000 I know it's sorry to interrupt.

01:20:11.000 Did you have a cap there?

01:20:12.000 It's like they say history rhymes and it's like they're taking these people and they want to repopulate them, but they won't take them because when they arrive, they start making banks and become lawyers.

01:20:23.000 No, no, it's not.

01:20:24.000 No, they're not making banks.

01:20:25.000 Those are different people that do that.

01:20:26.000 They're trying to take away the story.

01:20:28.000 It's not the Gazans.

01:20:29.000 It's the other populations that was ejected out of Germany because they would take over countries, they said.

01:20:36.000 Crazy how it rhymes.

01:20:37.000 Crazy.

01:20:38.000 They're not doing any favors to make anybody believe that this wasn't their intent all along. 0.94

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 This is certainly not this is certainly not disproving or discouraging people from believing that.

01:20:49.000 And it's like in the event that all of this was to happen.

01:20:53.000 And the statement, where do we put the Gazans is very funny. 0.65

01:20:57.000 But it's like, who's going to make all the money from this?

01:21:00.000 It's like, if they're investing all this money to build all of these buildings, they're trying to extract as much value as possible out of there.

01:21:08.000 And if there is so much money to be made, then could that have been the reason?

01:21:12.000 Is that the reason?

01:21:13.000 Does it look like that's the reason that that's why they did all of this in the first place?

01:21:17.000 I don't think it's so much as a monetary thing.

01:21:18.000 I think it's just like a goal for Israel to not have to deal with Gaza anymore. 1.00

01:21:24.000 To build a brand new city with skyscrapers and hundreds of thousands of people.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, because it goes back to the question of like, okay, how do we get the Gazans out? 1.00

01:21:31.000 Again, that's the Israeli perspective.

01:21:32.000 That's, you know, whatever.

01:21:35.000 I mean, look.

01:21:35.000 And this could solve Israel's problems.

01:21:39.000 To Tate's point, like, this could be their final solution.

01:21:41.000 Yeah, so to speak.

01:21:43.000 I know.

01:21:43.000 Is it a crazy solution?

01:21:44.000 I know.

01:21:45.000 Sorry, y'all.

01:21:47.000 It's not.

01:21:48.000 It's just a potential final solution.

01:21:50.000 It's removed from the historical context that is a solution.

01:21:53.000 By the way, that's what Hitler said about the Jews, was he was looking for a final solution of what they were doing.

01:21:57.000 And that's a completely separate solid and completely separate conversation.

01:22:00.000 But no, I mean actually is incredibly different.

01:22:03.000 But that's what's being set up in Somaliland is they finally found a partner that's in the region that would take the Gazans, and it is Somaliland. 0.66

01:22:11.000 It's not just about Jewish people, Israelis, Gazans.

01:22:13.000 Repopulation is an ancient thing that you do with a population when you conquer them.

01:22:18.000 You oftentimes will just send them somewhere.

01:22:20.000 Well, historically, a lot of times they would just kill them all.

01:22:25.000 In history, when a conquering force comes in, a lot of times they would just kill all the men and boys, and then they would just take the win.

01:22:32.000 But that's why the post-war kind of thing.

01:22:35.000 That's why the post-war situation, the post-war consensus is interesting because we don't really do that much anymore.

01:22:41.000 You don't see like, again, from countries that are bought into the global system.

01:22:45.000 You actually don't really see many full-blown genocides anymore.

01:22:49.000 What you do see is a lot of resettlement where, I mean, obviously Israel's killed quite a few people in Gaza, but like if they wanted to eliminate everyone there, they probably could. 0.93

01:22:58.000 But like what you saw in Germany, for example, after the end of the war, they redrew the borders in Europe.

01:23:03.000 They tried to clean things up.

01:23:04.000 What happened was they cut Germany in half. 0.68

01:23:06.000 And now a third of Germany is now Poland. 0.88

01:23:09.000 You have a lot of Germans there.

01:23:10.000 What do you do with them?

01:23:11.000 Do you try to integrate into Poland?

01:23:12.000 No, you deport all of them back to Germany.

01:23:14.000 So you saw these massive population exchanges occurring in Europe after the war.

01:23:19.000 So I think that's kind of the precedent.

01:23:23.000 Again, it's not great.

01:23:25.000 I mean, you don't want to see like people removed from where they live, but it's the reality.

01:23:30.000 It's the world we live in.

01:23:31.000 And so that's, I think, what's going on here is I don't suspect if this happened, which I just don't even think is going to happen anyway, because you got to get the Gulf states to play along and the Gulf states are probably not going to.

01:23:39.000 They can barely complete a lot of these mega projects in their own countries.

01:23:43.000 But even hypothetically, if it goes exactly to plan, Gazans aren't going to live there. 0.99

01:23:48.000 They can't really support a sort of a society that looks like this.

01:23:51.000 They would just take all of the resources there and do everything they could to make more missiles in Israel. 0.84

01:23:58.000 I think we all know what's going to happen is the ceasefire is going to be violated by either Israel or Gaza. 0.85

01:24:03.000 It's been violated.

01:24:04.000 It's been violated a few times already.

01:24:05.000 And then this ceasefire that, again, Kushner is putting a lot of weight into is just, it's not going to hold.

01:24:12.000 It won't.

01:24:13.000 Wouldn't it be cool if Jared Kushner and all the people that were going to invest into this project and everybody talking about it, wouldn't it be cool if they did that in like, I don't know, America?

01:24:23.000 Like maybe Detroit or maybe literally anywhere?

01:24:27.000 It's like if we don't barely manufacture anything here, wouldn't this be helpful for America?

01:24:32.000 Yeah.

01:24:32.000 It seems like that'd be kind of a good thing to do in America.

01:24:34.000 Yeah, because that's kind of the question is like who funds this?

01:24:37.000 Again, if it's the Gulf states, that's great.

01:24:39.000 But either way, like I actually don't think there's going to be much money extracted.

01:24:42.000 I think everyone's going to get their lunch eating on this project because it's going to be really expensive.

01:24:45.000 You're going to have to, again, clean, like you're going to have to clean out all of the rubble.

01:24:50.000 You got to demilitarize it.

01:24:52.000 There's mines everywhere.

01:24:53.000 There's a lot of weaponry.

01:24:54.000 Like it's going to be a very, very expensive project.

01:24:55.000 But the Saudis are, well, because the Gulf states are, again, they're trying to form like a coalition against Iran.

01:25:03.000 And so you have these Sunni Muslims looking at Israel and they're like, they could be a more viable partner because Israel is trying to position themselves as the regional power.

01:25:11.000 And so they just see like, okay, these Sunni states have the same enemy we do, which is Iran. 0.94

01:25:16.000 And so that's what the incentive basically would be for these Gulf states is it's a geopolitical play.

01:25:21.000 It's how they play ball with Israel and build that relationship.

01:25:24.000 Power translates into money.

01:25:26.000 So in the event that this gives them the ability to have access to more power, then there's a lot of money to be made.

01:25:32.000 So whether or not they break even or whatever on this particular project, which I can't imagine that real estate developers that have generated billions of dollars for themselves would just go into this thing not being able to make money.

01:25:46.000 Certainly there's a money play down the line somewhere.

01:25:48.000 And I would wager that it's probably a ton.

01:25:51.000 Maybe we'll break even.

01:25:52.000 I bet they are going to make a ton of money from that.

01:25:54.000 They're certainly trying to buy influence.

01:25:55.000 And that's the way the world works outside of the West.

01:25:57.000 The West is the only country that when they make these investments, they expect returns, where other countries, the way that they operate when they're building projects like this, specifically China, they don't actually expect returns right away.

01:26:07.000 They expect these to be geopolitical plays.

01:26:09.000 Like, look, for example, with China's Belt and Road Initiative, where they built this massive deep water port in Sri Lanka.

01:26:15.000 Again, they knew they were never going to make their money back on that.

01:26:17.000 They knew that the Sri Lankan government was never actually going to be able to make payments on it.

01:26:20.000 So what they did is they spent the money.

01:26:22.000 They built the port.

01:26:23.000 like fantastic massive deep sea deep water port.

01:26:26.000 And yeah, and then of course Sri Lanka falls behind on payments.

01:26:29.000 They seize the port.

01:26:30.000 You just bought influence.

01:26:31.000 So it's like, okay, you lost some money like from a pure like accounting perspective, but you just bought yourself a deep water port in the Indian Ocean.

01:26:40.000 So it's like, but that's a, but that's, that's diplomats or heads of state making those decisions for the interest of that country.

01:26:48.000 Jared is an independent citizen, you know, with a bunch of investors that are also likely not states.

01:26:55.000 They're people that are individuals that are putting up, that are willing to put up capital.

01:26:59.000 And I mean, one of the most expensive parts of developing something like this would be the land itself.

01:27:05.000 If you can just take it.

01:27:07.000 Yeah.

01:27:08.000 You can steal beach property.

01:27:10.000 That's what it is.

01:27:11.000 It kind of kills a little bit of the cost structure down, you know?

01:27:13.000 Yeah, because you have to look at like, you know, and I'm, I'm not, you know, like, I don't really talk about Israel much just because it's not, most of my commentary is like American focus.

01:27:23.000 But if you look at like the play here, who wins out of all this, Israel benefits like dramatically. 0.91

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:29.000 And so it's like, yeah, so it's like, you know, just getting the Gazans out, Israel. 0.98

01:27:33.000 I mean, from Israel's perspective, if they can get the Gazans out, that's the win. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:38.000 Whether or not, I mean, even if you just got the Gazans out and then paved all of the Gaza Strip and it was a parking lot, they would still benefit because they don't have to deal with the terrorism. 0.91

01:27:46.000 Yeah, the whole reason they haven't, I mean, some people will say Israel is just like a purely benevolent country, which I'm thinking.

01:27:54.000 They're self-interested as every other country is.

01:27:55.000 But like the Americans would, they do. 0.97

01:27:58.000 The Americans like do. 0.97

01:28:00.000 I don't actually buy that Israel just like completely controls the United States because we do have a line. 0.57

01:28:03.000 Like if they went in and like just leveled Gaza to the ground, the Americans would probably say like chill a little bit. 0.51

01:28:11.000 They have.

01:28:11.000 I mean, we've seen it before where they deny Israel strikes, these sorts of things.

01:28:15.000 Like we do operate autonomously at times.

01:28:17.000 But we're going to create this Gaza strip mall.

01:28:19.000 That's what we're going to make.

01:28:20.000 Gaza strip mall.

01:28:21.000 This is give them jobs an opportunity.

01:28:22.000 I've heard this before.

01:28:23.000 It's just funny how it says in the slideshow, it's like empowering Gazans.

01:28:27.000 Yeah.

01:28:28.000 The Gazans are never going to see that.

01:28:31.000 You know, exactly.

01:28:31.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:28:32.000 Well, I mean, look, the Israelis pulled out of Gaza in, what, 2005 or whatever.

01:28:37.000 That was empowering Gaza.

01:28:38.000 And then they had a bunch of terrorist attacks.

01:28:39.000 And then October 7th happened.

01:28:41.000 Israel has no incentive to actually empower Gazans because when the Gazans are empowered, it means Israelis die. 0.94

01:28:48.000 Yeah, that's the tragic.

01:28:50.000 I'm not one of these people that like.

01:28:52.000 It's more complicated than that, but yeah.

01:28:53.000 Yeah, like I've never been one of these people that like completely like pearl clutches over Gaza. 0.92

01:28:56.000 But I will say it's like very unfortunate the situation Gazans are in because they're really just at the center of like a geopolitical struggle.

01:29:03.000 Nor Israel nor the Arab states are particularly concerned with the Gazans.

01:29:06.000 Not at all.

01:29:07.000 They're really just kind of seen as like a chip to be played.

01:29:10.000 It's hard.

01:29:11.000 On both sides, too.

01:29:12.000 So I mean, yeah, Arab states and Israel both, again, view these people as playing sort of, yeah, like a chip on a board.

01:29:20.000 All right, we're going to jump to this story, and I think Ian's going to really love this.

01:29:23.000 From AZ Sports, 49ers investigate wild conspiracy theory that could be contributing to injuries.

01:29:30.000 The San Francisco 49ers season is over, but this offseason will go slightly different than those in the past.

01:29:35.000 Per ESPN's Nick Wagoner, the 49ers are investigating conspiracy theory that has really gained traction over the last couple of weeks.

01:29:43.000 The team is investigating whether or not the electrical substation near the facility is contributing to the extreme rash of injuries over the years.

01:29:51.000 Because it deals with allegedly the health and safety of our players, I think you have to look into everything.

01:29:55.000 John Lynch told reporters in his end of the year presser, we've been reaching out to anyone and everyone to see if a study exists other than a guy sticking an apparatus underneath the fence and coming up with a number that I have no idea what that means.

01:30:08.000 That's what we know exists.

01:30:09.000 So there's a substation right, I'm looking for the picture here.

01:30:13.000 Maybe it was in one of the other pieces on it.

01:30:17.000 So the substation is right next to, here we go.

01:30:20.000 The substation is right here, surrounded in red.

01:30:24.000 And this is the 49ers facility.

01:30:27.000 This is their practice field.

01:30:28.000 And here's Levi Stadium.

01:30:30.000 Allegedly, what's going on, what people think is the substation is causing a rash of injuries.

01:30:38.000 And they spend 90, I guess it says where the 49ers players spend 90% of their workdays.

01:30:43.000 So you've got a bunch of injuries, and people are thinking that it might be the cause of the substation.

01:30:51.000 Ian, what do you think?

01:30:53.000 I've been reading, I was basically taking a crash course through ChatGPT about what living near a substation would do to you.

01:31:00.000 It says that there's four basic ways that it can affect you.

01:31:03.000 One of them is EMF electromagnetic fields, which are known to cause, it's like not really documented links of weakness, but headaches, dizziness, fatigue, controlled blind studies fail to reproduce the effects, though, generally is what they say.

01:31:18.000 So you've got electromagnetic fields that could potentially be doing it, stray voltage, grounding issues.

01:31:23.000 So you might have electricity underground that's causing massive risk there.

01:31:27.000 Muscle twitching, tingling.

01:31:29.000 And I mean, muscle twitching for an athlete is like game-breaking.

01:31:33.000 Noise and vibration, underestimated, but legitimate, it says, and environmental and land use factors, which would be like toxins and the poor air quality. 0.85

01:31:43.000 But this, damn, you know, electricity is so new in the human experiment at this time around that we know of 150 years. 0.65

01:31:51.000 Yeah, you know, it's only a couple hundred years old in the last 100,000. 0.98

01:31:54.000 I mean, maybe they had it before the flood, but we don't really know what kind of effect it's having on our bodies very much.

01:32:00.000 And radiation now with like Wi-Fi and stuff.

01:32:03.000 I wonder.

01:32:04.000 I wonder if it's part of why we're seeing auroras and the pole shifts and the, is because of electricity.

01:32:09.000 We have so much electricity.

01:32:11.000 You can see it from space, the lights.

01:32:14.000 This is a fascinating story.

01:32:15.000 I just don't know.

01:32:17.000 I love a good conspiracy theory, and I would likely believe something like this if I had more time to dive into it.

01:32:23.000 But I would almost wager that it's probably more likely the physical, like this, these are the highest, most engineered athletes in the world.

01:32:32.000 They're getting tested about every possible thing imaginable.

01:32:35.000 They're doing feats of strength that many of us would never even be tested on ourselves in our entire life.

01:32:42.000 And on top of that, they made the playoffs and excelled despite all that.

01:32:45.000 So if you looked at those few guys, I would bet it's the physical therapy team and the doctors that are on the staff that are more likely responsible for dropping the ball.

01:32:54.000 Well, maybe they're not maybe they're not indicating whether or not a person would be susceptible to injury that specific day.

01:33:02.000 Like maybe their flexibility is not enough that day and the doctor says, go ahead, you're still good to play.

01:33:07.000 Whereas another doctor might say, if your ankle is tight and you can't bend to this degree, then it's a bad idea for you to play more than 10 minutes today or something like that.

01:33:15.000 So I would bet it's the physical therapy team more likely than not.

01:33:18.000 And I don't think that the San Francisco 49ers would outwardly admit that that was the case because that would be admitting that they failed their own players.

01:33:27.000 With all the money that goes into any NFL team, you'd think that they would be, if there was any substance to the idea, you'd think that they'd be aware of it.

01:33:38.000 Well, I mean, there's the Washington Post article that was on this subject.

01:33:42.000 And if you read in it, they're saying, they didn't say which players, but a lot of these players' agents have been reaching out to the team, been reaching out to the press about concerns specifically that the players are taking longer to recover from injuries than any of their other clients, which is pretty interesting.

01:33:58.000 And if you look at like the map, obviously you have the substation there.

01:34:01.000 I think it was on the third tab.

01:34:04.000 Let's see, here we go.

01:34:05.000 The big red circle.

01:34:06.000 So obviously circled in red is a substation, which people were like, that substation's been there since the 80s and there wasn't injuries.

01:34:11.000 Well, I think it was like 2004.

01:34:13.000 They actually expanded it massively.

01:34:15.000 And then that's when you started to see the 49ers have an outlying outline.

01:34:18.000 They were outliers in terms of long-term injuries.

01:34:21.000 And then also, if you look below the red circle, there's a lot of houses there.

01:34:25.000 And it was also reported that the majority of players live in those houses.

01:34:28.000 Oh, really?

01:34:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:29.000 So they spend about 90% of the season in or around this substation.

01:34:34.000 So I don't think it's like something to completely dismiss.

01:34:37.000 And like what he was talking about.

01:34:38.000 EMFs, to a degree, have been reported to disrupt the nervous system, which again makes it more difficult to heal from injuries.

01:34:43.000 So I don't think the question is, are these players suffering the injuries because of the substation?

01:34:49.000 I think the question is, are their bodies able to recover quick enough, which could lead to massive injuries?

01:34:54.000 Or a small injury getting it.

01:34:55.000 Like you get like, yeah, you get like a tweak in your Achilles, but then your body can't heal properly.

01:34:59.000 That's what causes the traumatic Achilles injury rather than the EMF specifically causing traumatic injury.

01:35:04.000 The demand to play and to perform at the top level is because that's what the agents said.

01:35:10.000 The agents didn't say, oh my gosh, this substation is causing my client to tear his ACL.

01:35:14.000 They're saying it's causing him to recover slower compared to their other clients.

01:35:18.000 Maybe we should protest at the substation.

01:35:20.000 We should gather by the church guys again.

01:35:26.000 Let's call up Don Lyman and get in there.

01:35:29.000 What's that?

01:35:29.000 I saw get some orange paint, bro, and throw it everywhere.

01:35:31.000 Yeah.

01:35:32.000 There you go.

01:35:32.000 Yeah.

01:35:33.000 If you're a Browns fan, I was up in Tampa.

01:35:35.000 I like saying non-secular nonsense stuff sometimes, if you didn't know.

01:35:39.000 Are you a Browns fan?

01:35:40.000 I do, yeah.

01:35:41.000 I know what you said, and I agreed with you.

01:35:42.000 Are you a Browns?

01:35:43.000 I used to be when I lived in Ohio.

01:35:46.000 They suffered massive injuries constantly, and people never knew why.

01:35:49.000 Tim Couch went down.

01:35:50.000 Kellen Winslow Jr. went down and it was like, are we cursed?

01:35:53.000 I think it was the training staff, but maybe they were born.

01:35:57.000 Having to live in Cleveland also takes a toll on the body.

01:36:00.000 I think you're going to lose the mistake by the lake.

01:36:03.000 So I was up in Tampa a couple days ago and I drove by a substation and all I thought was I would could not imagine living next to that thing.

01:36:10.000 That would be horrific to live near that thing.

01:36:11.000 Like, what kind of damage is that doing to the surroundings?

01:36:14.000 I thought those things.

01:36:15.000 This was like four days ago.

01:36:16.000 The intensity on your face when you're talking about it.

01:36:18.000 Like, I believe you.

01:36:19.000 It's just emanating invisible force.

01:36:21.000 You're like, what the?

01:36:22.000 What is that doing to the environment?

01:36:24.000 We are the test experiment.

01:36:24.000 Yeah.

01:36:26.000 I was reading about Havana syndrome where back in the day, a lot of these diplomats were reporting that they were getting sick for seemingly no reason.

01:36:33.000 And they were pointing to EMFs there because, again, in the Washington Post article, a lot of the players, I don't know if it was the players or the agents reporting on behalf of the players anonymously were saying, also, these guys are getting sick a lot more often or they're feeling nauseous and these sorts of things.

01:36:44.000 And that was the original speculation with the Havana gun is that they were able to deploy some sort of weapon that would, again, like effectively blast EMF at you.

01:36:53.000 And so it, I mean, these things are all like, it's worth digging into.

01:36:56.000 I mean, the fact that the 49ers are taking it seriously indicates that this isn't just some like kookery.

01:37:01.000 Well, I mean, I think, look, if you're, if you're, if you're the 49ers owner, you know, and your players are taking longer to heal, I, I can't imagine that you would leave any stone unturned.

01:37:12.000 You know, the amount of money that goes into any NFL team, but, you know, the San Francisco 49ers, like, they've got a, a pretty decent history.

01:37:21.000 And, you know, I can't imagine that the owners would say, ah, that's BS.

01:37:27.000 I think they'd be like, go find out.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:29.000 Because they have the funds to investigate it.

01:37:31.000 You know?

01:37:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:32.000 There's a lot of money to be lost if you lose Kittle right in the wild card game.

01:37:37.000 You're losing a ton of money.

01:37:38.000 So if there is any substance to it, that's the other thing.

01:37:41.000 It's like, I don't know that the internet, as much as I love the internet and the collective power of it, would solve this faster than the people that have billions of dollars on the line.

01:37:50.000 I don't know if they found Shia LaBeouf.

01:37:52.000 I don't know.

01:37:52.000 I just feel like they, I don't know, you would think that they would be on top of that if they were ahead of just the collective.

01:37:58.000 I don't know.

01:37:59.000 Maybe not.

01:38:00.000 I put this, I don't know if you guys still use phones to your head.

01:38:00.000 I don't know.

01:38:03.000 I stopped.

01:38:03.000 I don't eight years ago.

01:38:05.000 I was like, it started, I used to carry it in my pocket.

01:38:07.000 I get angry at people that call me, text me.

01:38:10.000 Like, I don't want to, I don't want to be on the phone.

01:38:12.000 I used to keep it in my pocket, and all of a sudden, I started to get a dull pain in my left leg where I would keep the phone.

01:38:16.000 I was like, oh, can't do that anymore.

01:38:17.000 So I started putting it in like a backpack or in my backpack.

01:38:20.000 Now I have a fanny pack, which has an EMF shield in it built in.

01:38:24.000 Oh, got to protect the family jewels.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, dude.

01:38:27.000 And I use headphones.

01:38:28.000 I hate having this thing near my head.

01:38:30.000 I don't know how far away it's supposed to be at night when you sleep turned off.

01:38:34.000 Sometimes I have it on like six feet away, but even then, I feel like it's affecting me.

01:38:38.000 Someone just like, there was an AN on Twitter.

01:38:40.000 He just posted a video of ground beef cooking in a microwave, and then he was like, this is what's happening to your brain when you're using AirPods.

01:38:46.000 And then I got rid of my AirPods.

01:38:48.000 It's pretty easy to be persuaded on these things.

01:38:51.000 Like, I'm pretty much.

01:38:52.000 It was me.

01:38:53.000 If it appears on my timeline, I will take it at face value until the five-year-old was detested.

01:38:57.000 I guess it's just the reality.

01:38:59.000 So did you fall for the This Is Your Brain on Drugs commercial when they scrambled the eggs and then or when the girl smoked the weed and like melted?

01:39:05.000 He's 25.

01:39:06.000 He doesn't know anything.

01:39:07.000 Oh, dang.

01:39:08.000 No, but like I remember the one, I do remember the one commercial where it was the smoker lady and she's like, and like the shower is running in the background. 0.99

01:39:14.000 And she's like, I can't face the shower because of the hole in my beard.

01:39:16.000 I would drown.

01:39:17.000 And I remember that and I switched to Zen's.

01:39:19.000 Tracheotomy.

01:39:21.000 Avoid that.

01:39:22.000 Avoid obsessive smoking.

01:39:24.000 All right.

01:39:24.000 We're going to go to the super chats and rumble rants right now.

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01:39:48.000 But right now, we're going to go to your Rumble rants.

01:39:50.000 Let's see, what do we got here?

01:39:52.000 Yeah, bring those things up.

01:39:53.000 I'm old like dance.

01:39:54.000 What are you doing about tonight?

01:39:55.000 I want to know.

01:39:55.000 There's a bunch of ranters.

01:39:59.000 Is that good?

01:39:59.000 Yeah, bring it up a little bit.

01:40:01.000 I'm an old guy.

01:40:01.000 Is that good?

01:40:02.000 We want like a proper rant.

01:40:03.000 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 None of us like, oh, you guys are doing great work.

01:40:05.000 No, no.

01:40:06.000 A real like a anger.

01:40:08.000 So.

01:40:09.000 Vitriol.

01:40:10.000 Letimo says, Phil, fan of you, Matt Walsh Doppelganger works for Linus Tech Tips.

01:40:15.000 His name is Dave, and he's quite, he's a quite polite Canadian.

01:40:20.000 Need to find a way to make Walsh see him.

01:40:24.000 Walsh was crashing out the other day because he was saying any guy with like a dark beard and glasses gets called his doppelganger.

01:40:29.000 I don't, I mean, I don't even have a dark beard.

01:40:31.000 I'm, I'm, I mean, my eyebrows are blonde, man.

01:40:33.000 They said ginger cast.

01:40:34.000 I'm a blonde guy.

01:40:35.000 Well, you're not, you're not a ginger. 1.00

01:40:37.000 I'm definitely not a ginger now.

01:40:39.000 All right.

01:40:39.000 Richard Slammer says, to Phil's point, you want to bring the enemy leaders in or you want to bring the Tokyo Rose or Hanoi Jane, aka Don Lemon.

01:40:48.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think that it would be a bad thing at all to wrap up Don Lemon.

01:40:53.000 And that's, that's not the point that I'm making.

01:40:55.000 But I do think that if you're looking to have an impact on the ground, I think you get the actual activists and you wrap those people up, put them in jail for any laws that they violated, and you're going to have a much larger impact.

01:41:09.000 Whereas if you get Don Lemon, it's going to be satisfying, but it's not going to have an effect on the protesters or organizing protests in the future.

01:41:17.000 I was describing it like this.

01:41:18.000 Like, Don Lemon is like the whipped cream on the Sunday, right?

01:41:23.000 The cherry on top.

01:41:24.000 It's satisfying and great.

01:41:26.000 But the actual wholesome meal that your body needs is the vegetables and the meat and potatoes.

01:41:33.000 Like, that's the good thing for you.

01:41:35.000 The ice cream and stuff, it's nice and you like it, but it doesn't actually do anything for you.

01:41:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:40.000 I like how you switched it up mid-metaphor and went from whipped cream and cherries to vegetables.

01:41:44.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's that's the thing, you know, the sugary, satisfying thing or the thing that's actually going to, you know, help repair your body and give you the vitamins and nutrients that you need.

01:41:56.000 So the fact that you think of Don Lemon as a satisfying whipped cream treatment is troubling.

01:42:01.000 You're putting words in my mouth, and now I'm slightly offended.

01:42:06.000 These are delicious treats.

01:42:07.000 That's not what I meant.

01:42:08.000 That's gross.

01:42:09.000 We're moving on.

01:42:10.000 JDA 93 says, been watching Tim since 2018, but here's my doomer worry.

01:42:15.000 The FACE Act changes will fail because it's leftists.

01:42:19.000 However, under Biden, FACE Act stuck old ladies in prison for abortion clinic sit-ins. 1.00

01:42:24.000 I mean, that's true, but we work with the tools that we have, right?

01:42:29.000 I mean, I love the idea of being like, hey, let's go and write new laws and actually, you know, do things that are going to be more permanent and really fix the problems that we have.

01:42:41.000 But you go to war with the army that you have, not the army that you want.

01:42:46.000 So the conditions in DC are as they are.

01:42:50.000 And so you're limited by what the possibilities are limited.

01:42:55.000 So you work with what you got.

01:42:56.000 I mean, Tate, you might want to jump in on that.

01:42:59.000 Yeah, I mean, like, there's no fix everything button in the Trump.

01:43:03.000 Like, there's not, I think John Doyle made the joke, there's not like a stream of staffers storming in at the fix everything button.

01:43:09.000 And President Trump refuses to press it.

01:43:11.000 It's like, unfortunately, the system that we live in was set up very well in the sense of it's actually really insulated from like any sort of disarray.

01:43:22.000 It's a very rigid system.

01:43:24.000 And the left has done a really good job over the last 67 years ensuring that that is or that the rigidness is oriented towards the right.

01:43:31.000 So it makes it really difficult for us to achieve our goals.

01:43:34.000 So we're just, we're not at the point yet where we can just like effectively run the country like a dictator.

01:43:40.000 Like you have to remember, like a lot of these Trump policies are popular on fairly razor-thin margins.

01:43:45.000 And then you have Congress.

01:43:46.000 Like Congress is going to be completely ineffective.

01:43:50.000 Like any win so far in the Trump administration for the most part has been through the executive branch.

01:43:54.000 So it's just like it's a very tricky situation the Trump administration is in.

01:43:58.000 Like they are a democratically elected government.

01:44:01.000 And that like, again, comes with stipulations.

01:44:03.000 It comes with framework that you have to operate within.

01:44:05.000 So to Phil's point, I mean, they've deemed that this is the most viable possible way to wrap these guys up.

01:44:12.000 You got to work with what you have.

01:44:14.000 Maybe this changes in the next few years.

01:44:16.000 Zoomers, there was a U.S. Gov poll where half of Zoomers just said ignore the Supreme Court.

01:44:23.000 So, you know, things could change quite rapidly.

01:44:26.000 But as it stands right now, yeah, we have to operate within this.

01:44:28.000 Because you got to remember, like, the Republican Party, the Trump administration is positioning themselves as a legitimate form of government, and they're positioning the left-wing, the Democrat Party, as these radical insurgents.

01:44:37.000 And that's the correct framing, I would say, because that's how you win elections going forward.

01:44:41.000 Because the American people just aren't ready for a despot yet.

01:44:45.000 Remember the rules for radicals: that the action you want is the reaction of your opponent.

01:44:50.000 They want the Trump administration to break the laws.

01:44:53.000 They want them to start going outside of bounds.

01:44:56.000 Then they can rally the communists to say, hey, we told you they were dangerous fascists.

01:45:02.000 And to Ian's point, that's why they constantly are basically lying to people.

01:45:07.000 That's why they're telling you that ICE went after a five-year-old kid.

01:45:10.000 That's why they're telling you that Donald Trump broke all these laws.

01:45:14.000 That's why they're telling you that ICE is actually breaking the law.

01:45:17.000 Because ICE isn't, and the government isn't breaking the law because the people in the administration are aware.

01:45:24.000 Like, I mean, you know, JD Vance has read rules for radicals.

01:45:28.000 Like, the people that are in the administration, they're aware of this.

01:45:31.000 And another thing that you have to think of is like half the FBI doesn't like Donald Trump.

01:45:36.000 There's been an exodus of leftists and stuff, but there are a lot of people in the administration that still don't like Donald Trump.

01:45:44.000 They don't like conservatives.

01:45:46.000 They are progressives to the core.

01:45:48.000 Oren was making this point the other night.

01:45:49.000 This is the way the government has operated for, you know, God knows how long.

01:45:54.000 I don't want to say a number because someone's going to jump in and say, no, you're wrong.

01:45:57.000 It's been longer.

01:45:59.000 But this is the way that the government has operated.

01:46:01.000 So like I said earlier, you go to war with the army that you have and you do the best that you can.

01:46:05.000 I would love to be able to say, oh, yeah, we got rid of all of the progressives in D.C. and now it's all staffed with patriots and onward.

01:46:14.000 We're just going to fix everything, but that's just not the case.

01:46:16.000 Yeah, the Trump administration has to consolidate power.

01:46:18.000 And that does take time because to Phil's point, I mean, you're operating within like a left-wing apparatus.

01:46:26.000 And so it's just like, again, some of these drastic changes that we want to see happen aren't going to get done in the first year.

01:46:33.000 And I'm not happy.

01:46:34.000 I mean, I want to see like an American.

01:46:35.000 I want Baron to be like the American Caesar.

01:46:37.000 I think that'd be awesome.

01:46:38.000 But like it takes time to consolidate power.

01:46:41.000 It takes time to stockpile political capital.

01:46:44.000 It takes time for Baron to get to 35 to become the president.

01:46:47.000 We'll work around that.

01:46:50.000 Shane H. Wilder says, if you're the praying type, pray for us at the March for Life in D.C. tomorrow and for anyone who will be affected by this weekend storms.

01:46:59.000 This weekend storm is looking like it's going to be no joke.

01:47:01.000 So if you're a prayer, pray for everybody at the March for Life.

01:47:05.000 That's a very wonderful way to protest and demonstrate.

01:47:11.000 Abortion is, in my opinion, abortion is probably one of the most wrong things that we do here in the U.S. 0.90

01:47:20.000 I haven't always thought that, but I've, you know, since I had a kid, I mean, look, man, when your kid's six months in utero and you're looking at an MRI or a sonogram and you can see a face, you're like, that is a human being, man.

01:47:36.000 There is no question about it.

01:47:37.000 Yeah.

01:47:38.000 Shout out to all the Patriots heading to the March for Life.

01:47:41.000 It's like literally one of the most beautiful things that occurs in this country and it happens annually.

01:47:45.000 I regret that I won't be there this year.

01:47:48.000 I'm stuck here in Florida, which is a good thing.

01:47:49.000 It's a blessing to be down here.

01:47:50.000 But yeah, bring some jackets, dude.

01:47:54.000 It's going to be freezing.

01:47:55.000 You guys will have a good time.

01:47:56.000 Have you been in the past?

01:47:57.000 Yeah, I've been before.

01:47:59.000 This is going to be really cold this year, though.

01:47:59.000 It's pretty crazy.

01:48:01.000 Bring some jackets and on the way home, if you can find a shovel, buy it because you're going to need it on Saturday and Sunday if you're in the area.

01:48:07.000 It's going to get really weird.

01:48:09.000 I've seen some forecasts looking at like 18 inches.

01:48:13.000 It's going to be freezing.

01:48:14.000 And also, remember, you guys know this.

01:48:16.000 Everyone that's going is optics-minded.

01:48:18.000 We're all patriots, but there's going to be people trying to antagonize you. 0.98

01:48:22.000 Don't they're losers. 0.97

01:48:24.000 Like, just ignore them. 0.99

01:48:25.000 It's fine.

01:48:27.000 March for life.

01:48:28.000 There's so many numbers there.

01:48:29.000 Like, don't even let anything spoil it.

01:48:32.000 You can even look them in the eyes and think the words healthy and then blink slowly like you do with a cat.

01:48:38.000 As long as you're not near a substation, it should work.

01:48:40.000 If you're the praying type, pray for it.

01:48:42.000 If you ever have an enemy or someone you're afraid of, look at them in the eyes and think words at them.

01:48:46.000 And they, it's like magic.

01:48:49.000 So true.

01:48:50.000 So true.

01:48:51.000 All right.

01:48:52.000 Bespoke 2147 says, no, Phil, we don't want people not of our cultural heritage here anymore.

01:48:58.000 No giving them money for legal way. 0.93

01:49:00.000 No more legal way for people who abused our generosity for decades.

01:49:05.000 Look, I'm not sure what you think my perspective is on immigration.

01:49:11.000 I'm the guy that says that we should shut down immigration for a decade and deport all illegals, right? 1.00

01:49:18.000 So I'm not sure where you got the idea that I had some kind of like soft spot for illegal aliens here in the United States.

01:49:28.000 I don't.

01:49:29.000 But I do think that whatever means we use or whatever way we can offer to get people to leave, I think it's a good thing, especially when you're dealing with the amount of money that they're talking about.

01:49:42.000 $2,600 is a small amount of money to get to the federal government who just prints it anyways.

01:49:51.000 And they're going to print it for other stuff anyway.

01:49:53.000 So it's a small amount of money to get people to leave.

01:49:56.000 In my opinion, whether it be $2,600 or trebuchet, it's all good if you're decreasing the number of illegal aliens in the United States.

01:50:05.000 Yeah, like remember, they've quantified that number because they've determined that an ICE operation costs far more than that.

01:50:10.000 So it's like you kind of look at it like, okay, to a degree, what you're trying to do is you're trying to reorient the incentive structure on immigration.

01:50:18.000 So you want to reorient the atmosphere around immigration in the America to it being favorable for these people to leave.

01:50:24.000 And if you can incentivize that, it's worthwhile because, again, it saves us money for having to knock down doors and these sorts of things.

01:50:29.000 And trebuchets, I'm sure that if the government made trebuchets, they would be extremely expensive.

01:50:35.000 Dave Bricks says, if we're not getting a Tate Brown holding it down t-shirt or something, what are we even doing here?

01:50:40.000 It's so true. 0.84

01:50:42.000 Yeah, what's going on?

01:50:43.000 You should be petitioning the powers that be every day.

01:50:46.000 I may have the subvert and go around and just sell my own t-shirt.

01:50:50.000 It would be a very plain.

01:50:51.000 It would literally just be a white t-shirt with black text on it.

01:50:54.000 We got to be like a W special shirt or something like that.

01:50:56.000 No, it's got to be you doing this.

01:50:59.000 Yeah, and in between your hands, it says Tate Brown.

01:51:03.000 It's like a silhouette of your head with your hair.

01:51:05.000 It could be that's like, yeah, no, it's going to be the hand.

01:51:08.000 Someone was WASP checking me the other day.

01:51:10.000 They were saying there's no way you're of British extraction because you use your hands like an Italian.

01:51:14.000 And what I realized, what it is, the reason I talk the way I do, the way I have these hand expressions is literally because of Donald Trump.

01:51:21.000 And watching him like growing up.

01:51:24.000 Yeah, because I was 14 when he came down the escalator.

01:51:26.000 And I've noticed most other right-wing Zoomer guys that are my age all sort of conduct themselves the same way.

01:51:32.000 Fuentes does.

01:51:33.000 Fuentes, Doyle, like all these guys, they do that because we grew up borderline idolizing Donald Trump.

01:51:39.000 And so we wanted to be like him.

01:51:41.000 We wanted to be cool.

01:51:41.000 And so we started doing that.

01:51:42.000 I don't do that, though.

01:51:43.000 That's like, I haven't even seen many Zoomers do that. 1.00

01:51:46.000 That's like a Trump special.

01:51:47.000 That's just not a natural.

01:51:48.000 But like this.

01:51:49.000 So by consequence, by my hand gestures, by the way I move, I sort of emulate like a 70-year-old Italian guy.

01:51:56.000 I'm going to point out the beach.

01:51:58.000 But I am the waspiest guy here, by the way.

01:52:00.000 So just want to take that.

01:52:02.000 That little victory.

01:52:07.000 I was once you says, in keeping with Tim Cash tradition, here we go.

01:52:11.000 I am in the hospital waiting the birth of my firstborn daughter.

01:52:14.000 Congratulations.

01:52:16.000 That's what you like to hear.

01:52:18.000 Welcome to the world, little patriot.

01:52:20.000 Yep.

01:52:21.000 I've said it to so many babies, but it's so true is we're out of time.

01:52:25.000 Like, don't even bother walking.

01:52:26.000 As soon as you can talk, let's go.

01:52:27.000 Let's go time.

01:52:28.000 Get a Twitter account.

01:52:29.000 Get him, let's go.

01:52:30.000 Start posting.

01:52:31.000 Start posting.

01:52:31.000 Just get under every Democrat politician.

01:52:33.000 Show to ratio him.

01:52:34.000 I know you're probably going to go to the spell for a while.

01:52:36.000 So string together a few letters and we get the idea.

01:52:39.000 We'll retweet it.

01:52:40.000 You can teach them how to dump it into Chat GPT and Chat Truth.

01:52:45.000 Get an iPad in front of them as soon as humanly possible.

01:52:48.000 That's like the least conservative thing advice I've ever heard.

01:52:52.000 The only app installed should be X with tight filters.

01:52:55.000 Very limited filters that are only showing the Democrat politicians and the reply options.

01:52:59.000 Excuse me, Rumble.

01:53:00.000 And Rumble should be Rumble and Truth Social.

01:53:03.000 There you go.

01:53:04.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 No, find me in the comments on Lindsey Graham's X's.

01:53:09.000 I'm there.

01:53:09.000 I live.

01:53:10.000 Let's go.

01:53:10.000 And Treet Thanadar.

01:53:11.000 I'm also in his comments.

01:53:12.000 Let's go.

01:53:13.000 Patriot.

01:53:14.000 Thinker for a Life says, in deep rural Michigan in 2020, I received a mail-in ballot from Detroit.

01:53:19.000 We should make aliases on the Democrat website to get one of your own.

01:53:23.000 The Dems just know what to do with that extra vote. 1.00

01:53:26.000 I mean, look.

01:53:28.000 Okay, before we get going, let's be illegal. 0.98

01:53:31.000 We're absolutely not encouraging people to commit crime.

01:53:34.000 You definitely do not want to do whatever you should do to gum up the Democrat system.

01:53:38.000 That would be terrible.

01:53:39.000 Do not do that.

01:53:40.000 We definitely are not advocating for that.

01:53:42.000 Certainly, do not do whatever it takes to derail the Democrat apparatus.

01:53:45.000 Totally.

01:53:46.000 Disavow.

01:53:47.000 We are disavowing.

01:53:48.000 There's not an ounce of sarcasm in my voice whatsoever.

01:53:51.000 The proper thing to do is to call your senator and tell them to pass the Save Act, you know, get these BS ways of voting fixed.

01:54:00.000 Make sure that you have voter ID so that way people are sure that the people voting are actually who they are.

01:54:07.000 No more mailing ballots out and then going and harvesting them because you never know who actually filled out the ballot.

01:54:15.000 The way to fix, the way to make sure that the way to game the system is to not actually game the system.

01:54:21.000 It's to fix the system so that way it's not gamed anymore.

01:54:23.000 Did Trump make the voting day a holiday yet?

01:54:27.000 Has he done that yet?

01:54:28.000 I don't think so.

01:54:29.000 He's going to, but he's going to wait and he's going to do it the year before.

01:54:33.000 See, he should have done it before next year, this year, because this is the midterms, this year.

01:54:38.000 Those midterms were this year.

01:54:39.000 Yeah.

01:54:40.000 2000.

01:54:41.000 He should have already done that.

01:54:41.000 But I like that he did for Christmas and New Year.

01:54:45.000 Yeah.

01:54:46.000 They'll probably say that that's racist because they're keeping people from going and making money that day or whatever. 0.60

01:54:51.000 Like they'll find a way to spend that on him.

01:54:54.000 Yeah, I feel like we should make it.

01:54:56.000 It should be as inconvenient as possible to vote.

01:54:58.000 Like the only people that should be voting are the people that really want to.

01:55:01.000 There you go.

01:55:01.000 Like it always going.

01:55:02.000 That's where like going there really does require effort.

01:55:05.000 And even me, I'm like, I need to, it's going to take me 10 minutes.

01:55:08.000 Even if it's 10 minutes, it's going to take me 10 minutes plus 10 minutes plus 10 minutes.

01:55:12.000 And I have to dedicate some time to it.

01:55:14.000 I have to take off work or I have to dedicate my time.

01:55:16.000 And if that's the difference between you doing it and not, then you really shouldn't be voting.

01:55:20.000 Yeah, totally.

01:55:21.000 I had a buddy who like, he was really into civics.

01:55:23.000 He got really into like CGP Gray videos, which if you know those types of people, you know what I'm talking about.

01:55:28.000 I don't know.

01:55:29.000 And what happened was he would put on like his Facebook, I think it was like his Facebook or Instagram, like, if you're not planning on voting today, I will pick you up at your house and drive you to the voting booth.

01:55:39.000 And I texted him and I was like, if someone literally, the things, like you said, the thing standing between them voting or not is like someone else driving them to the polls, they shouldn't be voting because clearly they do not care about like the outcome of the election whatsoever.

01:55:52.000 So let's just not do that because, yeah, we don't want low propensity voters, but that's not a good, like, that's not a good thing.

01:55:59.000 We should have people that are engaged in tapped end voting like exclusively.

01:56:02.000 Yeah, the mail is like the most outrageous thing ever because you'd be willing to do that as a favor to a buddy if you're just like, hey, man, would you just fill this out and just I'll fire, I'll send it for you.

01:56:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:13.000 Like you don't even know what it even is.

01:56:15.000 And if you don't care, that is troubling.

01:56:17.000 That's why they're going to push for like voting apps.

01:56:18.000 Like you should be able to vote through an app.

01:56:20.000 And there was like people that were like on the right that were advocating for this for a while.

01:56:23.000 I'm like, that will get the Republicans get blown out if they do like app-based voting. 0.81

01:56:26.000 It's ridiculous.

01:56:28.000 So there has to be some kind of commitment involved.

01:56:31.000 Maybe he won't make it a holiday then.

01:56:33.000 Okay.

01:56:33.000 Thanks.

01:56:34.000 Yeah, I actually don't think you should.

01:56:35.000 No.

01:56:35.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 I think it should be like as inconvenient as possible.

01:56:39.000 LG Bales says, when are the asylums that Trump promised going to open up?

01:56:43.000 There are a bunch of people that need grippy sock vacations.

01:56:47.000 Also, can we start pushing these politicians spreading fake news propaganda?

01:56:50.000 Can we start punishing these politicians spreading fake news propaganda?

01:56:53.000 You probably can't punish the politicians pushing fake news propaganda.

01:56:59.000 And as for the asylums, look, historically, asylums have been state-run.

01:57:05.000 So just because Donald Trump says we're going to do this doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

01:57:11.000 Reopen the rubber armadas.

01:57:13.000 Yeah.

01:57:14.000 You know, I mean, look, I personally think that we should be, there should be laws that allow people to be committed involuntarily if they're if they're a danger to society or to themselves.

01:57:25.000 It's too easy for the mentally ill to roam the streets and terrorize people. 0.99

01:57:31.000 You go to any big city and you see that. 0.98

01:57:34.000 There's been plenty of high-profile murders and attacks because of mentally ill people. 0.88

01:57:41.000 And I think that getting those people off the street would be great for society, but I don't think that it's going to end up being a federal thing.

01:57:47.000 And it's crazy because there's laws on the book.

01:57:49.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's New York City has laws where if you've slept on the street for like a certain amount of continuous days, the police can just commit you.

01:57:56.000 They could pick you up and commit you.

01:57:57.000 But these things are just like rarely enforced.

01:57:59.000 They're deep in these city codes.

01:58:01.000 But like, that's just common sense.

01:58:03.000 Like, if someone's still on the street after a few days, that indicates that something's wrong.

01:58:07.000 Because typically the average stint for a homeless person is only like a day or two.

01:58:11.000 These are people that are like hardened.

01:58:13.000 They're grizzled. 0.58

01:58:13.000 They're ready for the street. 0.58

01:58:14.000 And it's helpful for them.

01:58:17.000 Like, we don't want these, we don't enable that behavior.

01:58:19.000 Like, it's bad for them.

01:58:20.000 We want these people to get help.

01:58:21.000 So it's like the most benevolent thing you can do.

01:58:24.000 As far as the punishing the politicians that post fake news, I would say that a more fruitful use of your time would be to call out your own politicians that represent you and advocate for the policies that are the reason why you elected them in the first place and spend more of your time focusing on them because I feel like there's so many of them on the right that don't do the things that we put them in there for or don't talk about the things that are important to us.

01:58:50.000 And it's like they need us.

01:58:53.000 The left doesn't need us at all.

01:58:55.000 You could yell at you could yell at Gavin Newsome or whoever else a million times, but you don't matter to them.

01:59:02.000 Whereas in order for a Lindsey Graham or a Thomas Massey or a Ted Cruz or whoever it is, the only one I like out of that three is Thomas Massey.

01:59:11.000 But in order for them to get re-elected, you need to be talking to them about the things that matter so that they understand that this is something that they need to do in order to get your vote again.

01:59:18.000 So I just think that's a more productive use of your time.

01:59:20.000 That's true.

01:59:20.000 Yeah.

01:59:21.000 Rusty Man3625 says, Phil, life is stressful for me for right now, but looking forward to your concert in May is something that keeps me going.

01:59:30.000 I love to hear it.

01:59:31.000 Thank you very much.

01:59:32.000 You're a patriot and a scholar.

01:59:34.000 All that remains is going to be on tour from April 29th until May 23rd.

01:59:39.000 We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.

01:59:42.000 So go to all that remainsonline.com to get your tickets.

01:59:45.000 That's a little bit of a plug.

01:59:49.000 Epic.

01:59:50.000 Dave Wu Lau says, Greetings from Australia.

01:59:52.000 Working warranty and being able to listen to you guys makes my day a lot less dreary.

01:59:57.000 That's great.

01:59:58.000 Isn't it summertime down there, though?

02:00:00.000 I mean, I can't imagine Australia being dreary in the summertime.

02:00:05.000 Because you got a king.

02:00:06.000 Shout out.

02:00:07.000 You're a free man.

02:00:10.000 Freedom.

02:00:10.000 I would scream it if I was outside right now, but we're on a microphone.

02:00:14.000 You are so focused on that.

02:00:15.000 I'm going to scream it.

02:00:16.000 No.

02:00:17.000 Freedom.

02:00:18.000 So dread.

02:00:19.000 It's not going to be loud, though.

02:00:19.000 It's crazy because I'm tired.

02:00:20.000 William Wallace might be a little bit more.

02:00:22.000 Let me do it again.

02:00:23.000 Let me do it again.

02:00:24.000 Do it again.

02:00:24.000 From the top.

02:00:26.000 Freedom.

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02:00:31.000 Nice one.

02:00:31.000 Yeah.

02:00:32.000 Phil.

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02:05:38.000 What's up, everybody?

02:05:40.000 Welcome to the Rumble After Show.

02:05:42.000 Tonight we're talking about a drag queen. 0.96

02:05:45.000 So it's a drag queen, not a trans person. 0.88

02:05:49.000 So I think, actually, no, it doesn't matter.

02:05:51.000 I'd call him Henna, anyways.

02:05:53.000 Where is it?

02:05:53.000 Patagonia sues drag Patagonia, the brand, sues the drag queen Patty Agonia.

02:06:02.000 This is this is not the actual video saying irreparable harm.

02:06:07.000 Look at this guy.

02:06:08.000 Yeah.

02:06:09.000 This is, this is, I mean, look at that mustache.

02:06:13.000 I mean, I mean, what is there to say about this?

02:06:17.000 This guy works for the Park Service, if I understand correctly.

02:06:21.000 So let's see.

02:06:23.000 Sorry.

02:06:24.000 Give me a second.

02:06:24.000 I'm going to say.

02:06:25.000 All right.

02:06:26.000 It's all right.

02:06:27.000 All right.

02:06:28.000 So let's see.

02:06:30.000 What does the New York Post say?

02:06:32.000 New York Post says, outdoor gear brand Patagonia has filed suit against a drag performer and LGBTQ activist named Patty Gonia for peddling merch, which the company says rips off its highly recognizable brand markings.

02:06:44.000 The high-end outdoor brand, beloved by day hikers and finance bros, and also by like dudes that shoot people a lot, alleges the drag queen has caused irreparable damage by trading on the company's logo. 0.97

02:06:57.000 Look at this.

02:06:57.000 If we zoom in here, this is a Northface, Northface shirt jacket.

02:07:04.000 Or do they show the merch?

02:07:07.000 Hopefully not.

02:07:09.000 Well, just because, I mean, I imagine that they wouldn't just because the lawsuit that's going on.

02:07:15.000 In a news story, though, couldn't they show what?

02:07:18.000 It doesn't show it in the article?

02:07:19.000 I don't think so.

02:07:20.000 Let me see here.

02:07:20.000 Because that would be, because it doesn't sound like they're suing him for the name.

02:07:24.000 It sounds like they're suing him for merchandise.

02:07:28.000 There's no merch here.

02:07:30.000 There it is.

02:07:31.000 Patty Gonia. 0.96

02:07:32.000 It's the name being Patty Gonia.

02:07:33.000 I think that's harming their branding, which makes sense.

02:07:36.000 Pattagonia cares a lot about their branding.

02:07:38.000 It does make tons of sense.

02:07:39.000 So Patty Gonia, whose real name is Wynn Wiley. 1.00

02:07:42.000 Well, I mean, look, he could have kept the same name.

02:07:45.000 Came to an agreement with the company in 2022 that he would respect the brand's trademarks, but then turned around and filed an application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to use the Patty Gonia brand for a host of commercial endeavors two years later, according to court documents.

02:07:59.000 There's no way his real name is Wynn Wiley.

02:08:00.000 You can't trust a tranny. 1.00

02:08:03.000 Let's see.

02:08:04.000 Wiley's trademark application shows he intends to launch a wide-ranging commercial enterprise under the Patty Gonia brand, including apparel sales and using the name to promote his upcoming shows and appearances, according to the complaint filed Wednesday in a U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, obtained by Bloomberg law.

02:08:22.000 I mean, this is kind of obvious, right?

02:08:24.000 Like you're, you're, not only are you infringing on their trademark, right? 0.98

02:08:29.000 But you're also like a controversial person with a, you know, as an activist, you're going to have like people that are like, no, I think that you're a crazy man. 0.97

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 And I don't want to, I don't want, I don't like Patagonia now because, you know.

02:08:44.000 Well, the fact that he's, because it sounds like what he did was he registered a trademark.

02:08:48.000 And when you register a trademark, you have to pick all the different items that you're applying it for, like it's shirts and hats.

02:08:53.000 It could be billboards or whatever else or merchandise items.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 23, 2026

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