Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Biden DECREES New 28th Amendment WITH NO AUTHORITY & Dems CHEER w-Myron Gaines | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Joe Biden on his way out has hereby decreed the 20th Amendment is now ratified, which he can't do.

00:00:28.000 He has no legal authority to do.

00:00:29.000 And this is absolutely hilarious to me.

00:00:33.000 Once again, Joe Biden has decreed the Equal Rights Amendment is now law of the land.

00:00:38.000 And Democrats are lining up saying, yay, the 20th Amendment is ratified.

00:00:42.000 And it's not.

00:00:44.000 It's not a thing.

00:00:46.000 It's the weirdest thing for Joe Biden to decree something like this.

00:00:50.000 And the funny thing is, where's the corporate press to call him out as an authoritarian despot trying to rule by decree?

00:00:55.000 I guess because he only has three days left and they've already started removing his portrait.

00:01:00.000 They don't really care, but we do and we'll talk about it.

00:01:03.000 Then, big news.

00:01:04.000 The Supreme Court has unanimously agreed.

00:01:07.000 Tick tock.

00:01:08.000 Going to be banned.

00:01:09.000 Now, the ruling is actually that China must divest.

00:01:12.000 TikTok is choosing to shut themselves down in this country, but it's an effective ban based on what's going to happen.

00:01:17.000 They're going to pull it from the App Store.

00:01:19.000 Donald Trump apparently wants to have an executive order to protect TikTok, but that would be insane because then what do our laws mean if they're just ignored outright?

00:01:28.000 Aside from that, the third-party companies that run these servers and host the app probably going to just take them down anyway because they don't want to be involved in anything criminal.

00:01:38.000 Should be interesting, my friends.

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00:02:36.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Myron Gaines.

00:02:40.000 Hey.

00:02:40.000 Happy to be here, man.

00:02:41.000 One half of the Fresh Fit podcast.

00:02:42.000 I run my own show, Myron Gaines X, on all the platforms, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube, political commentary, 5 p.m.

00:02:49.000 to 7 p.m.

00:02:50.000 Then we do Fresh Fit.

00:02:51.000 Right on.

00:02:51.000 We got the lectern guy.

00:02:52.000 Hey.

00:02:52.000 Hi, everyone.

00:02:53.000 Glad to be back on.

00:02:54.000 World's most infamous furniture mover, unlicensed.

00:02:57.000 Glad to be back.

00:02:58.000 Adam Johnson.

00:03:00.000 My name is Elad Eliyahu.

00:03:02.000 I'm glad to be here.

00:03:03.000 I am a journalist here at TimCast News.

00:03:05.000 I also am a Jewish Affairs Corps respondent.

00:03:08.000 Shabbat shalom, everybody.

00:03:09.000 Phil, how's it going?

00:03:10.000 Hello, everybody.

00:03:10.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:03:11.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:03:13.000 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:03:15.000 Let's go.

00:03:16.000 Before we get started, don't forget, we got Cast Brew Coffee available.

00:03:19.000 And let's just check the numbers because Ian's graphene dream, he's only got 839 bags left.

00:03:25.000 You know what I think it is?

00:03:26.000 I think Ian is promoting the coffee on his own time because I'm like, there's no way.

00:03:31.000 Just from us doing these, he sold over 1,200 bags.

00:03:34.000 But he has, so shout out to Ian for his coffee.

00:03:37.000 We also got Phil's coffee.

00:03:38.000 Two weeks till Christmas, even though we're three weeks from Christmas, it's fine.

00:03:43.000 You can get your bag of gingerbread coffee with Phil dressed like Santa Claus.

00:03:46.000 And the reason why I held off on promoting this until after the introductions is because of this.

00:03:52.000 I am deeply offended, gentlemen.

00:03:54.000 Joe Biden decreed the 28th Amendment.

00:03:56.000 The only problem was I decreed it two weeks ago.

00:04:00.000 Two weeks ago, I personally decreed the 28th Amendment.

00:04:04.000 Go to boonieshq.com to pick up the 28th Amendment skateboard.

00:04:08.000 And it is this.

00:04:09.000 Chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed.

00:04:17.000 Joe Biden comes along and thinks he can then decree a different 28th Amendment.

00:04:21.000 He's infringing upon my right to sell skateboards.

00:04:23.000 So go to Booneys HQ, pick him up.

00:04:25.000 And now let's get serious and jump to the news.

00:04:27.000 We got this story from CNN. Biden says Equal Rights Amendment is ratified.

00:04:33.000 It's not.

00:04:34.000 Kicking off expected legal battle as he pushes through final executive actions.

00:04:39.000 This one's actually pretty amazing.

00:04:40.000 He tweeted this.

00:04:41.000 Today I'm affirming what I have long believed and what three-fourths of the states have ratified.

00:04:46.000 The 28th Amendment is the law of the land, guaranteeing all Americans equal rights and protections under the law, regardless of their sex.

00:04:53.000 You then get this beautiful, beautiful community note that says, actually, the National Archivist, who is responsible for enrolling new amendments, has stated the ERA has not been lawfully ratified, citing a legal opinion drafted by the Biden Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel in 2022, confirming this position.

00:05:10.000 And then we get good old Kirsten Gillibrand.

00:05:13.000 President Biden just declared.

00:05:15.000 That the Equal Rights Amendment is now a valid part of the Constitution and should be considered the law of the land.

00:05:19.000 This is an incredible moment for reproductive freedoms, an historic day for equality, blah, blah, blah. 0.70

00:05:24.000 And then you get the rare double.

00:05:27.000 You get the double community note because she gets community noted and then Biden is community noted because it is not ratified.

00:05:35.000 But what I find truly fascinating with all this is that Biden just tried to decree an amendment to the Constitution and the media isn't screaming that he's a despot trying to take over the country.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, they're not calling him a fascist.

00:05:46.000 Yeah, they should.

00:05:47.000 I mean, first of all, he tweeted nothing.

00:05:49.000 That was one of his staffers, and we've seen the makeup of his staffers, so he was probably definitely one of the ones wearing a dress.

00:05:56.000 I gotta be honest.

00:05:57.000 I actually think this might be like a low-level staffer who was just like, I'm doing it, and just tweeted it out.

00:06:02.000 Yes.

00:06:02.000 YOLO, right?

00:06:04.000 I mean, I might agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that, like, Kamala followed suit, you know, Gillibrand followed suit.

00:06:09.000 It's just...

00:06:10.000 It's one person!

00:06:11.000 Oh, the same person for all of them.

00:06:13.000 It's one person wanting all their accounts.

00:06:13.000 Well, I mean, maybe, you know?

00:06:15.000 Who knows?

00:06:16.000 The DNC hired the Kamala HQ staffers.

00:06:19.000 So it's probably, like, okay, like, half kidding, but...

00:06:23.000 It's probably one person tweeting all this stuff, right?

00:06:26.000 Yes.

00:06:26.000 No, it is.

00:06:27.000 I mean, I used to work in the government.

00:06:28.000 Like, dude, government employees don't know how social media works whatsoever.

00:06:31.000 It's like one person that does all the technology, does all the social media.

00:06:34.000 They do everything.

00:06:35.000 So, yeah.

00:06:36.000 No matter how bad you are at it, you will find a new gig in the same business.

00:06:40.000 It's amazing that the Kamala HQ people got, I think, promoted to do Democrat or another page with the Trump administration.

00:06:49.000 It's going to be nice to have someone back in office who can use Twitter again.

00:06:52.000 All by himself.

00:06:54.000 Well, I mean, here's the truth.

00:06:56.000 Technically, he can, but he does tweet things like covfefe.

00:07:00.000 The issue is when Trump screws it up, it's funny and we enjoy it.

00:07:04.000 I guess it's like this.

00:07:05.000 Trump tweets covfefe, and it said despite the negative press covfefe, obviously he was going to say coverage, and then he sausage-fingered the phone and accidentally sent it.

00:07:15.000 Run on sentences.

00:07:16.000 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 That's good too.

00:07:18.000 He doesn't use periods or commas.

00:07:20.000 But here's the thing, like when Trump tweets mean things, remember that diet, that Coke tweet where he was like, what did he say?

00:07:26.000 He said it's like garbage, but I'm going to keep drinking it anyway or something like that.

00:07:30.000 It was a really funny tweet. 0.99

00:07:30.000 The thing about what Democrats do is they post insane lies that negatively impact our actual society, whereas Trump just posts memes and then like rants and has run on sentences or covfefe. 0.99

00:07:43.000 Yeah, it's funny. 0.96

00:07:44.000 Trump's an insane man on Twitter, and that's the way that—well, on the internet, and that's the way that we like him. 0.95

00:07:50.000 That's the way that everybody wants—that's why people pay attention to Trump. 0.99

00:07:53.000 It makes money for all the Democrats so they can say, look at how terrible this guy is!

00:07:58.000 Look at how he's going to end the world, and it's such a bad thing, and blah, blah, blah.

00:08:02.000 You've seen an unemployed.

00:08:03.000 It's locker room talk, you know?

00:08:04.000 That's why we appreciate it.

00:08:05.000 That's right.

00:08:06.000 So let's read Biden's new 20th Amendment.

00:08:08.000 Amendment, it says, resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America and Congress assembled two thirds of each house that the following articles proposed and amended, etc.

00:08:17.000 Article one, equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article.

00:08:30.000 And 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.

00:08:34.000 So, can someone explain to me what the heck the first section even means?

00:08:39.000 Equality of rights of the law shall not be denied or abridged.

00:08:42.000 We already have the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

00:08:45.000 Yeah.

00:08:46.000 So, what does this thing even do?

00:08:49.000 Makes the left feel good.

00:08:51.000 I mean, it's not substantive.

00:08:55.000 You know?

00:08:56.000 The idea that there's some form of inequality out there.

00:09:02.000 That is systemic as BS. And the fact that, or the idea that it's legal to discriminate because of the 64 Civil Rights Act, the idea that it's legal to discriminate, that's BS too.

00:09:15.000 So it doesn't do anything, actually.

00:09:18.000 We got a real-time fact check from Nibupsh.

00:09:20.000 Trump tweeted, I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.

00:09:25.000 Epic.

00:09:25.000 Two days later, he says, the Coca-Cola company isn't happy with me.

00:09:28.000 That's okay. 0.99

00:09:29.000 I'll still keep drinking that garbage. 0.99

00:09:32.000 They gave him the bottle the other day, too. 0.99

00:09:34.000 The CEO of Coke gave him the little bottle.

00:09:36.000 That's right.

00:09:36.000 I heard that the Diet Coke presidential diet presidential Coke.

00:09:40.000 Is that what you call it?

00:09:41.000 What's better, though?

00:09:41.000 Coke Zero or Diet Coke?

00:09:42.000 Neither.

00:09:43.000 It's awful.

00:09:44.000 Coke Zero, man.

00:09:44.000 Come on.

00:09:45.000 Coke Zero is where it's at. 0.99

00:09:46.000 I don't drink that garbage.

00:09:48.000 I remember when I was on a job back in the day and I got a full-on argument with one of my colleagues about Diet Coke versus Coke Zero. 0.93

00:09:54.000 Oh, here you go.

00:09:55.000 A glass bottle of the inauguration of President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.

00:09:59.000 Trump loves Diet Coke, man.

00:10:01.000 Mexican Coke, man.

00:10:02.000 That's his thing.

00:10:02.000 Apparently he had a Diet Coke button.

00:10:04.000 And a McDonald's.

00:10:05.000 And a McDonald's button?

00:10:05.000 And a McDonald's, right?

00:10:06.000 I don't know, but I heard he had a Diet Coke button.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, Diet Coke.

00:10:09.000 Oh, I didn't know a Diet Coke button.

00:10:10.000 Okay, I didn't know that.

00:10:11.000 And someone bring him a Diet Coke.

00:10:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:10:13.000 I know he loves McDonald's, too, but...

00:10:14.000 I think it's funny that, like, we're looking at Joe Biden decree mandate to the Constitution, and, like...

00:10:24.000 The complaints about Trump, like we did this debate earlier on the culture war, was that he was threatening the media.

00:10:30.000 He was saying he was going to take legal action against him.

00:10:33.000 And it's like, but you can file legal action.

00:10:37.000 That's a thing you can do and challenge to a court to see if you are correct.

00:10:42.000 And then... 0.57

00:10:43.000 Joe Biden is ruling by decree and they're acting like Trump's the fascist. 0.85

00:10:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:47.000 I mean, look, what I think is this.

00:10:49.000 I think every president likes to leave behind some kind of legacy or I did this when I was in office, etc.

00:10:54.000 I think with Biden, right, he's going to have a pretty much tarnished legacy.

00:10:58.000 So on his way out, like, look, I did this.

00:11:00.000 And yeah, I think that's kind of what it is.

00:11:02.000 Like every president likes to have something that they're remembered by, some kind of act or some kind of order that they put in place while they were in office.

00:11:09.000 And this is my legacy.

00:11:10.000 He's trying to avoid being remembered exactly like Jimmy Carter, and it's a little bit unnerving how many parallels there seems to be between him and Jimmy Carter.

00:11:18.000 That's a good point.

00:11:19.000 One-term Democrat president, and then also with the hostage releaser.

00:11:24.000 We hope to see the hostages be released.

00:11:27.000 Those parallels are just, really.

00:11:29.000 And Trump's basically like Reagan.

00:11:31.000 Like, make America great again was effectively his Reagan slogan.

00:11:34.000 And I think Jimmy Carter was also the first person to, or Joe Biden was the first sitting senator to endorse Jimmy Carter when he ran or something like that.

00:11:42.000 And they go way back.

00:11:43.000 But he's nervous to be remembered that way.

00:11:46.000 And he's trying to get his goodies in, Myron, as you said, at the end.

00:11:49.000 And this is the best he could muster.

00:11:51.000 This isn't changing anything.

00:11:52.000 This isn't really doing anything.

00:11:53.000 This isn't a difference maker.

00:11:55.000 And he had a bunch of unfavorable pardons on his way out.

00:11:58.000 That's why presidents always pardon on the way out.

00:12:00.000 A lot of times it's wildly unpopular.

00:12:02.000 So I think this was like, okay, I gave a bunch of unpopular pardons on people that probably shouldn't be pardoned.

00:12:07.000 Let me go ahead and do this thing and say, woo, civil rights. 1.00

00:12:09.000 I don't see the benefit of making this kind of assertion, though.

00:12:13.000 Everyone knows, like everyone serious knows.

00:12:16.000 And another thing is I don't see why CNN is covering it as if it's a real thing as well.

00:12:22.000 The idea that it's going to be challenged in the courts, it's not going to be a law at all.

00:12:27.000 Like, this is just factually not true.

00:12:30.000 They're making stuff up and asserting, oh, we have this power.

00:12:35.000 The federal government acts, or well, people act as if the executive branch has a whole lot more authorities than it does.

00:12:42.000 And hopefully, even though people want to see Trump come in and do a bunch of stuff, hopefully, when Trump's done...

00:12:48.000 The actual office of the executive office is significantly smaller because hopefully he's gotten rid of a lot of the bureaucracies or at least shrunk them.

00:12:58.000 Move them out of D.C. so that way people quit.

00:13:01.000 I mean, look, we were talking last night.

00:13:05.000 If you move the bureaucracies, like when you move a business or whatever, there's about 20% attrition rate.

00:13:11.000 So move the bureaucracies out of D.C. It serves multiple purposes.

00:13:16.000 First of all, it changes the culture because they're not trying to get into the same parties.

00:13:21.000 They're not trying to, you know...

00:13:24.000 To be hanging out with the cool people in D.C. That stuff ends if you put Department of Agriculture in Iowa and you put the FBI, I don't know, in Denver or whatever.

00:13:34.000 Just get them out of D.C. Put the FBI up in Alaska.

00:13:39.000 But the point is, get them out of D.C. because D.C. went 94% for Kamala Harris. 0.78

00:13:47.000 6% for Donald Trump.

00:13:48.000 I mean, to say that it's a single political opinion, In D.C. is not an overstatement by any stretch of the imagination.

00:13:58.000 So get him out of there.

00:13:59.000 And then hopefully that'll shrink the power of the executive branch because the cabinet-level bureaucracies will shrink because people will decide, I don't want to go to these weird places.

00:14:08.000 I like living in D.C. Maybe I can get a job as a lobbyist or whatever.

00:14:12.000 And hopefully this will have an actual, tangible, positive effect on the sides of the bureaucracy.

00:14:18.000 Because you know that if Trump tries to fire anybody, there's going to be all kinds of issues with that too.

00:14:23.000 Not to get into the political weeds a little bit too much here, but I think the presidents are able to dictate like this because Congress has kind of sent their duties away to the president by not fulfilling them themselves.

00:14:34.000 So Congress is completely, the process is retarded. 1.00

00:14:37.000 I mean that... 0.91

00:14:38.000 Literally, like, slowed down.

00:14:40.000 And with the Senate filibuster, with over 60 votes, they're barely able to pass something right now.

00:14:46.000 I think the majority, after Elise Stefanik gets confirmed, is going to be something like 217 to 215. So with Congress unable to get anything done, the presidency feels more and more emboldened.

00:14:57.000 Congress people do not want to take controversial stances and have to lose when they run again in two years.

00:15:01.000 And they'd rather send that to the presidency and let him do all their dirty work.

00:15:05.000 I mean, I think we can blame, you know, Blame George Bush and the Congress that we had during the aughts because they abdicated a massive amount of power to the president by saying that they gave him the authority to wage war in Iraq, which, in my opinion, there was nothing good that came from the Iraq War. 0.64

00:15:22.000 But, yeah, I agree.

00:15:25.000 The fact that Congress no longer passes laws, everything's an omnibus, they...

00:15:31.000 Do everything they can to shirk responsibility and have their constituents have some way to deny that they did something their constituents dislike.

00:15:42.000 But Myron, certainly this should be disconcerting because with this new Equal Rights Amendment, should it be actually viewed as ratified, you're going to have twice as hard of a time to get rid of the 19th.

00:15:52.000 I know.

00:15:52.000 That's why I'm pissed off.

00:15:53.000 I'm like, we need to get rid of the 19th Amendment. 0.89

00:15:55.000 This makes my job harder now.

00:15:56.000 I wonder how many people out there are like, which one's the 19th?

00:15:59.000 The one that lets women vote, for those that are wondering.

00:16:01.000 We need to take that away.

00:16:03.000 I'm all in favor of getting rid of the 17th. 1.00

00:16:07.000 17th Amendment's a bad one. 0.98

00:16:08.000 Myron, you said you don't want women to vote.

00:16:11.000 Would you vote for a woman? 0.99

00:16:13.000 No.

00:16:13.000 No, no position.

00:16:14.000 I don't think women should hold positions of power. 1.00

00:16:17.000 I will say, I don't think getting rid of the 19th Amendment goes hard enough. 0.95

00:16:22.000 I think that just getting rid of women's rights to vote, that's just the tip of the iceberg. 1.00

00:16:26.000 That's just the beginning.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, we need to get rid of a lot of people's rights to vote. 0.99

00:16:32.000 That's the family guy joke, where Peter's like, we're going to set a new country where everyone can vote, except for black people and women and Jewish people. 1.00

00:16:42.000 And the Irish, the Italians. 0.75

00:16:43.000 You know what? 0.97

00:16:44.000 No white people. 0.78

00:16:44.000 No one votes. 0.78

00:16:45.000 You know what? 0.99

00:16:46.000 Women and blacks can't vote. 1.00

00:16:47.000 Yeah, there you go. 0.99

00:16:48.000 No blacks either. 1.00

00:16:49.000 Wait, what about non-Protestants? 0.93

00:16:51.000 No.

00:16:52.000 If we had...

00:16:53.000 And I'm not even a Protestant.

00:16:55.000 If you actually had a government that...

00:16:58.000 That truly protected the rights that are enshrined in the Bill of Rights, I would have no issue with being like, Phil, you can't vote.

00:17:06.000 I don't care.

00:17:07.000 Fine.

00:17:07.000 If you had a limited government that actually was restricted by the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the powers laid out in the Constitution, I don't care because it's not supposed to matter.

00:17:19.000 It's supposed to be states that really matter to you.

00:17:21.000 It's supposed to be where you live.

00:17:23.000 Given the way the past election went, I am happy with the current electorate.

00:17:26.000 I don't think we need to get rid of women from the electorate. 1.00

00:17:29.000 I agree.

00:17:30.000 I don't think anybody needs to be removed from the electorate.

00:17:31.000 I think we need to add prerequisites.

00:17:34.000 We can start simply.

00:17:35.000 Selective service.

00:17:36.000 That's my main basis for why, yeah.

00:17:38.000 For the repeal in the 19th.

00:17:39.000 So my view is that I don't care who you are, what your background is. 0.97

00:17:43.000 That's silly. 0.50

00:17:44.000 It's mostly tongue-in-cheek half the time. 0.85

00:17:46.000 Some people it's not so much, but usually tongue-in-cheek.

00:17:48.000 The real issue is there has to be civic responsibility tied to voting in general.

00:17:51.000 Agreed.

00:17:52.000 And that alleviates a lot of the problems.

00:17:53.000 But let's jump to this next story from the AP. Supreme Court backs law banning TikTok if it's not sold by its Chinese parent company.

00:18:01.000 This goes...

00:18:03.000 Hard, ladies and gentlemen.

00:18:04.000 It wasn't just the Supreme Court backing the divestment bill, which effectively bans TikTok.

00:18:09.000 It was 9-0.

00:18:12.000 Every justice agreed.

00:18:14.000 Let me read this.

00:18:15.000 We got this post from Russell T. Warren.

00:18:17.000 He says, I read the legal opinion.

00:18:18.000 Here's what you should know.

00:18:19.000 TikTok lost almost every single argument it made.

00:18:22.000 It's a 9-0 ruling.

00:18:24.000 Sending a resounding message.

00:18:26.000 TikTok's data collection practices are insane.

00:18:28.000 The app gathers data that other apps normally consider off-limits, including the content of users' private messages and the full contents of a user's device contacts.

00:18:39.000 I've also heard this, and I don't know if it's true, that it collects the private messages of other apps.

00:18:44.000 Have you guys heard that?

00:18:46.000 I've heard that, bud.

00:18:47.000 It collects everything.

00:18:48.000 It's the most invasive by far.

00:18:50.000 By far.

00:18:51.000 If you read the terms of service, it's actually very scary.

00:18:54.000 I'll try and pull that up in a second.

00:18:55.000 They say, it's the last part that concerns SCOTUS the most.

00:18:58.000 If you have an email contact who has a TikTok account, China has your name, email, and possibly your phone number, photo, and more.

00:19:05.000 Chinese law requires its social media companies, including TikTok and ByteDance, to assist or cooperate with the Chinese government's intelligence work and to ensure that Chinese government has the power to access and control private data.

00:19:16.000 And so to that point...

00:19:18.000 The fact that it's going after people that don't have TikTok, right?

00:19:25.000 So if you have...

00:19:26.000 The email address of someone that has a TikTok account has your email address, that means they likely have all of your information as well.

00:19:35.000 That's probably a significant issue for the Supreme Court.

00:19:39.000 If you want to say, I don't want a TikTok, I don't want to have TikTok, I don't download it on my phone, that's supposed to insulate you from being...

00:19:48.000 I'm going to add on to that in a second.

00:19:50.000 Let me read the last two points.

00:19:51.000 Congress and the FBI worry that this info and more could be used for espionage or to compile blackmail dossiers on elected officials or government employees.

00:19:59.000 All nine SCOTUS justices agree that the need to prevent espionage overrules any First Amendment concerns. 0.99

00:20:05.000 And then he says you should stop watching those stupid dancing videos months ago. 0.99

00:20:09.000 Facebook has something called shadow profiles. 1.00

00:20:11.000 Do you guys know what this is?

00:20:13.000 No, shadow profiles, no.

00:20:14.000 So let's say your mom.

00:20:16.000 Never signs up for Facebook.

00:20:18.000 She has what's called a Facebook shadow profile.

00:20:21.000 How it works is, let's not use you as an example.

00:20:23.000 Let's use hypothetical mom. 1.00

00:20:24.000 She has three kids, and she has Tom, Dick, and Harry.

00:20:29.000 She's never signed up for Facebook.

00:20:31.000 Tom, Dick, and Harry each have, in their phone book, mom, mom, and mom.

00:20:36.000 And the phone number is 555-1234.

00:20:38.000 When they log into Facebook Messenger, it says, would you like to sync your contacts?

00:20:42.000 Yes.

00:20:43.000 Facebook then gets a list of your contacts, including mom, 555-1234.

00:20:49.000 Facebook now knows Tom, Dick, and Harry are brothers.

00:20:52.000 Here's where gets better.

00:20:54.000 A lawn service, you know, a groundskeeper.

00:20:59.000 TikTok has Janet, the woman's name, in the phone book, 555-1234.

00:21:04.000 Facebook now knows Janet has three sons, Tom, Dick, and Harry.

00:21:08.000 Here's where she lives. 1.00

00:21:09.000 Here's where she gets her lawn mowed. 1.00

00:21:11.000 And they can track where she is, what she does, based on the data of other people.

00:21:16.000 TikTok does the same thing.

00:21:19.000 The only difference is that it's controlled by China.

00:21:21.000 This is where things get pretty crazy, but I can't believe I'm saying this.

00:21:26.000 Ladies and gentlemen, if you're standing up, please sit down.

00:21:30.000 Jimmy Kimmel broke this down beautifully with an excellent point.

00:21:34.000 But hey, a broken clock, right?

00:21:36.000 Here's what Jimmy Kimmel had to say.

00:21:40.000 For teenagers, just like crop tops are great shirts for old fat guys. 0.96

00:21:45.000 TikTok is for everyone.

00:21:46.000 The problem with TikTok is it's totally controlled by the Chinese government.

00:21:50.000 I heard a good explanation of why there's a problem, because I wasn't sure why exactly it was a problem.

00:21:56.000 The reason why the Chinese having our kids' personal information is a threat is because kids aren't kids forever. 1.00

00:22:03.000 They grow up and get jobs, and when they do...

00:22:05.000 The Chinese government will have all the passwords they use.

00:22:08.000 They'll have everything they posted, their financial information in a lot of cases, messages.

00:22:13.000 You name it, they will have it, which isn't so much of a problem if they grow up to work at Petco.

00:22:18.000 But some teenagers grow up and become nuclear physicists, or they join the military or the State Department.

00:22:25.000 Every single person in the Army and the State Department...

00:22:28.000 Used to be a teenager.

00:22:30.000 I don't know if you knew that.

00:22:31.000 And in the future, the Chinese government will have tons of their data to blackmail them with. 0.72

00:22:36.000 And that's why it's a national security threat when your nephew films himself eating corn on the cob off a Makita drill bit.

00:22:43.000 Which someone did, and it hurt their teeth.

00:22:45.000 But the interesting thing is, he's oversimplified it quite a bit, but that is a big issue.

00:22:53.000 And then, as it pertains to the law, I do want to read this from OSINT Defender.

00:22:58.000 If TikTok is at all accessible after Sunday, it will truly prove just how useless our federal government really is.

00:23:05.000 What is the point of declaring something a national security threat and pushing to ban it only to totally change up days before the ban goes into effect?

00:23:12.000 I completely agree.

00:23:14.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 TikTok, TikTok, man.

00:23:18.000 They've been talking about this for years, that they were going to get rid of it because of it being a...

00:23:21.000 Well, let's start here.

00:23:22.000 Go ahead.

00:23:23.000 Do you guys think TikTok should be banned?

00:23:25.000 Yes.

00:23:26.000 I mean, I've made this point before the past couple nights.

00:23:29.000 And, like, we had a whole big episode where Tim and one of our guests was talking about it, and there was the free speech or the morality argument.

00:23:38.000 For me, it's just a matter of, like Jimmy Kimmel's saying, it's just a matter of national security.

00:23:42.000 So, like, if all of this information is being collected by the Chinese Communist Party, that is a bad thing for the United States national security.

00:23:52.000 That's all there is to it.

00:23:54.000 And people can say, well, you know, Facebook grabs this and, you know, X grabs that and yada, yada, yada.

00:24:00.000 That doesn't make it good or right or okay.

00:24:03.000 And I would argue, and honestly, you're not going to make me think anything different.

00:24:09.000 It's worse if China's doing it. 0.99

00:24:12.000 It's bad when Facebook does it.

00:24:14.000 It's bad if other apps are doing it.

00:24:17.000 It's worse if a foreign adversary is doing it. 0.99

00:24:21.000 And just to spell out why it's worse if a foreign adversary does it as opposed to a national company in America, we could FOIA request companies in America, we could bring lawsuits to them, and TikTok answers to nobody.

00:24:34.000 Well, actually, they answer to somebody, the CCP. So that's the difference between the two.

00:24:38.000 And I'm obviously for the banning as well.

00:24:40.000 We've seen how the government colludes with these big tech platforms, and it's bad.

00:24:45.000 But I gotta be honest, guys.

00:24:48.000 In the United States, If the federal government had compromising information that was stolen from your social media and released it, that would be a major scandal that could result in serious political consequences.

00:25:02.000 If China has compromising information from your direct messages and releases it, nothing.

00:25:09.000 Good luck.

00:25:09.000 Have fun.

00:25:10.000 And then what happens?

00:25:11.000 I'll tell you, man, there are these stories.

00:25:13.000 There was one story where a kid got catfished, a teenager.

00:25:18.000 And the catfisher was like, send me compromising images, right?

00:25:22.000 This happens quite a bit.

00:25:23.000 Then they blackmail the kid saying, we're going to upload this publicly and share it with all of your friends in school unless you give us money or do this thing.

00:25:30.000 And this one kid committed suicide because of it.

00:25:33.000 These people probably don't even live in the United States.

00:25:35.000 What happens when China contacts some dude who's 20, not even a nuclear physicist, an intern working for a member of Congress?

00:25:43.000 And they get an email.

00:25:44.000 It's encrypted and it says...

00:25:46.000 You are going to download the hard drive in your office and click this link and click this button, which will send all of the data to this server.

00:25:55.000 Otherwise, we're publishing.

00:25:57.000 And then it posts a photo, posts a video.

00:25:59.000 It posts this person's having an affair, whatever.

00:26:02.000 Then what do you do?

00:26:03.000 Because that person either has to go public with that information, go to the police, or be blackmailed and give up compromising information on the U.S. government or our politicians.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, but we'll get the Epstein list.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, I was going to say it's like strategy of intel agencies.

00:26:17.000 I mean, look, I'm indifferent with TikTok.

00:26:18.000 I've been banned a million times.

00:26:20.000 It's super woke.

00:26:20.000 It's annoying.

00:26:21.000 It is what it is.

00:26:22.000 I do think that there's a national security threat, especially with the amount of information it collects on there, can absolutely put a lot of people in compromising situations.

00:26:28.000 But let's be honest here.

00:26:29.000 We know why TikTok is getting banned.

00:26:31.000 It's because of Israel. 0.92

00:26:32.000 It's not because of China.

00:26:33.000 We've been talking about getting rid of it for China reasons for years, but it wasn't until the ADL made us think about it that they said we're going to get rid of TikTok.

00:26:42.000 I agree.

00:26:43.000 I do have another story that I want to pull up in a second.

00:26:45.000 Sure, sure.

00:26:45.000 But it is interesting how Democrats only recently got on board.

00:26:49.000 But before we get into that, and I want to make sure everyone knows, like, put a pin in that one because we're going to jump to it in literally one minute.

00:26:54.000 Whenever you're ready.

00:26:55.000 It is strange that we went from Trump says let's ban it, Democrats say no, Democrats and Republicans then agree let's ban it.

00:27:02.000 And now Donald Trump is saying don't ban it.

00:27:04.000 And what we heard the other day is that there are prominent Trump-supporting conservatives who are now lobbying on behalf of TikTok in the United States.

00:27:12.000 My view of this is that proves it.

00:27:15.000 Like, I'm sorry.

00:27:16.000 This is a Chinese-owned company.

00:27:18.000 And you have people publicly defending the rights of China to operate mass media in the United States.

00:27:27.000 And that, to me, is absolutely insane.

00:27:30.000 And then guess what?

00:27:30.000 These people are either getting paid by lobbying firms on behalf of TikTok.

00:27:34.000 They have large followings on TikTok.

00:27:36.000 They have interests to protect the platform.

00:27:39.000 And then they defend, once again, a foreign adversary's interest in America over American interest.

00:27:45.000 And to me, that's nuts.

00:27:47.000 They sent spy balloons for months all across the country, and there was no retribution for that whatsoever.

00:27:53.000 That just happened.

00:27:54.000 And we're like, yeah, they're allowed to spy on us.

00:27:55.000 I'm not surprised this thing's been allowed to exist as long as it has.

00:27:58.000 It should clearly be considered an espionage tool.

00:28:06.000 You can have your opinion about it.

00:28:07.000 I know there are people that make money on it.

00:28:09.000 Look, there is a legitimate complaint about things like Facebook and the way that they treat their users.

00:28:17.000 Things like Instagram. 0.99

00:28:19.000 Meta is one of the most garbage companies. 1.00

00:28:22.000 It's the worst. 1.00

00:28:22.000 They're absolutely atrocious. 1.00

00:28:24.000 They treat their users like absolute trash. 0.99

00:28:28.000 The thing that people love about TikTok is the way that the algorithm spreads their content and the fact that TikTok lays it out right in front of you. 0.89

00:28:38.000 If you want to gain followers, do these things.

00:28:43.000 If Instagram would do that, Instagram would fill the role that TikTok has instantly.

00:28:49.000 It would take six months.

00:28:52.000 If Instagram just said, look, we know that you guys wanted, that the American people really like TikTok, so what we're doing is we're going to change the way that our algorithm works, so that way we're going to help you guys reach other people.

00:29:05.000 We're going to help you guys.

00:29:06.000 Well, if you look at all the updates for Instagram, it's been directly to compete with TikTok over the past four to five years.

00:29:11.000 But they haven't done the important thing, which is help people reach other users.

00:29:15.000 They try to compete.

00:29:18.000 I very rarely use my Instagram page.

00:29:20.000 I think I have like 20,000 users or whatever.

00:29:22.000 And I got a message from Instagram the other day, one of the little posts that said, your post reached 330 people that are not in your network.

00:29:31.000 That's the most in blah, blah, blah.

00:29:33.000 It's like, what the F do I care?

00:29:35.000 330 people? 1.00

00:29:36.000 Why am I going to be on your stupid platform? 1.00

00:29:38.000 I post something on X, and if it's a good post, it'll reach multiple million people. 1.00

00:29:43.000 You know, it's such a ridiculous thing.

00:29:45.000 So let's talk about this.

00:29:46.000 Right now, the story is, of course, that TikTok is being effectively banned.

00:29:51.000 And we saw early on Republicans wanted it banned.

00:29:55.000 They viewed it as biased, but Democrats disagreed.

00:29:58.000 At some point in 2023, Democrats all got on board.

00:30:02.000 And then in early 2024, a bipartisan bill was passed, signed by Joe Biden, forcing TikTok to divest from China.

00:30:09.000 The Supreme Court has ruled nine to zero.

00:30:13.000 That this law will be upheld and comes this Sunday.

00:30:16.000 So in two days from this recording, TikTok will either have to be removed from U.S. servers or they will have to divest from China.

00:30:24.000 Now, Myron says...

00:30:26.000 The principal reason for this, the reason why this got banned is not because of Chinese threats, but because of the threat of China and a threat to our data and security, but because of Israeli interests.

00:30:36.000 So I'm curious if you want to elaborate on that and why you think that is.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, I mean, we've been talking about banning TikTok for espionage for years, but it wasn't until the ADL and everyone else started making a stink about, you know, the overwhelming overrepresentation of pro-Palestine posts on TikTok that they actually started making things happen.

00:30:52.000 And now we're kind of seeing the entail of that where they're getting rid of it.

00:30:55.000 There's been an enormous amount of lobbying from these organizations that are pro-Zionists to get rid of TikTok. 0.79

00:31:01.000 I mean, hell, a bunch of them tried to buy it.

00:31:02.000 They weren't successful.

00:31:03.000 Ian Carroll made a fantastic video about this.

00:31:05.000 So, yeah, I mean, you know, the truth is, is that the main reason why TikTok is getting removed from the United States is for Israeli security.

00:31:14.000 So I'm going to pull up this story.

00:31:16.000 And there are eyes.

00:31:17.000 I'm going to pull this story from Axios, and I'll say this.

00:31:19.000 I wouldn't frame it the same way as you do.

00:31:22.000 We can have a difference of opinion.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, but I do believe you are largely correct that it was lobbying from pro-Israel groups that resulted in Democrats changing their tune on the banning of TikTok.

00:31:32.000 This story from Axios we covered at the time and straight up said that it was posts in favor of Palestine that resulted in Democrats finally getting on board with Republicans to get TikTok effectively banned.

00:31:45.000 In this story, it says, on TikTok, views of pro-Palestine posts far surpassed views of pro-Israel posts.

00:31:51.000 And it shows this chart.

00:31:52.000 What's interesting here is that there were a bunch of experts in media and social media.

00:31:58.000 I would say this.

00:32:00.000 Call me whatever you want.

00:32:01.000 As someone who for, you know, I don't know, 20 years has been working on social media in some form or another.

00:32:07.000 I've been on the internet my whole life.

00:32:08.000 And based on the research I've done in marketing and social media, we've built up this podcast, one of the top podcasts in the world.

00:32:15.000 I agree with other researchers when it appears that TikTok intentionally altered its algorithm to promote pro-Palestine views. 0.59

00:32:23.000 And so I can show you this chart and explain why.

00:32:25.000 So this is just after October 7th.

00:32:27.000 On October 16th, the 23rd, 2023, Stand With Palestine had 11 million views, and Stand With Israel had 12 million.

00:32:34.000 However, there were 123,000 posts Stand With Palestine, and there were only 8,000 posts for Stand With Israel.

00:32:43.000 This means that very few people were engaging with Stand With Palestine content.

00:32:48.000 It was being posted.

00:32:49.000 People were not watching the content.

00:32:50.000 From in the next week, which is a rapid shift, with only 87,000 posts, so a decrease of around 40,000 posts, Stand With Palestine was now getting 285 million views.

00:33:04.000 Stand with Israel saw an increase to 64 million views with 9000 posts.

00:33:09.000 But this is indicative of an intentional change in the algorithm.

00:33:13.000 Now, there's one or two ways to look at it.

00:33:15.000 TikTok's algorithm updates itself once a week, perhaps.

00:33:18.000 And based on the amount of posts that came through, TikTok's algorithm automatically adjusted to then show more of this because so much content was being produced.

00:33:26.000 I don't believe that likely.

00:33:28.000 Seems more likely that there was an intentional shift in the algorithm to...

00:33:36.000 So it does look like there was an intentional promotion of this content.

00:33:43.000 When this happened, lobbying came to D.C. Democrats changed their tunes overnight.

00:33:50.000 This seems to be the reason.

00:33:51.000 Ilad, I'm curious, as someone who is much more pro-Israel, what you think of that?

00:33:56.000 I disagree that Israel is the main factor at play when it comes to the banning of TikTok.

00:34:02.000 I think it's oversimplistic, lacks nuance, and it makes you actually miss a bigger and more interesting story of the interests that are at play here.

00:34:10.000 So, for example, Trump used to be against or was for the TikTok banning initially because he was listening to many China hawks, and he had a bad relationship with a very rich billionaire named Jeffrey Yas, who has a very large investment in ByteDance, and he is of the club.

00:34:25.000 For Growth, a group that's been lobbying on TikTok's behalf to keep them together.

00:34:30.000 Trump fixed his relationship with Jeffrey Yass and he became a large Trump donor.

00:34:33.000 And that's large in part why Trump has flipped on the TikTok issue.

00:34:37.000 I think it also misses the bigger picture of other social media companies stand to benefit so much from TikTok's banning.

00:34:43.000 For example, Meta, obviously.

00:34:46.000 Instagram, absolutely.

00:34:47.000 Twitter, obviously, benefits a ton from this.

00:34:50.000 And then also TikTok played their hand very poorly.

00:34:53.000 I don't know if you remember, initially when the bill came...

00:34:54.000 It came out before October 7th when all the China Hawks were talking about banning TikTok.

00:35:01.000 When you opened up the TikTok app, they actually had your congressman's phone number and then congresspeople got spanned with phone calls from young teenagers who never voted complaining about the TikTok, the looming TikTok ban.

00:35:13.000 And I'll tell you one thing, congresspeople do not like being pushed around like that.

00:35:16.000 But here's what I'll say. 0.99

00:35:18.000 That's not as salacious, that's not as spicy, that's not as sexy as saying, damn, the Jews did it. 0.99

00:35:22.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:35:23.000 And that's really one of the issues, I think, with spewing this stuff, is that you miss the bigger, more interesting political story, and it's kind of an... 0.99

00:35:31.000 It makes you dumber, I think. 0.99

00:35:32.000 But a lot. 0.99

00:35:33.000 I think TikTok should be forced to divest from China for all of the data reasons.

00:35:40.000 So when someone comes to me and says, Tim, it's the Jews they did, I'll be like, wow, they're great. 1.00

00:35:44.000 I'm really happy that they helped us out here because they have base.

00:35:47.000 Not only should you be thankful that the Jews got TikTok banned, they also helped get rid of Jamal Bowman, the Jews, and they also helped get rid of Cori Bush. 0.99

00:35:54.000 I don't think the Jews get enough credit for all the good, the obvious. 0.99

00:35:56.000 Well, maybe they really are our best ally.

00:35:59.000 I don't know.

00:36:02.000 No, no, you're good, you're good.

00:36:04.000 I mean, I respectfully disagree.

00:36:07.000 I do think that there is growing...

00:36:10.000 You like Jamal Bowman.

00:36:11.000 Yeah, I don't even know who that is, but...

00:36:13.000 Oh, fire alarm guy.

00:36:14.000 When you can blame everything on the Jews, you don't even need to think about these important elections.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, no, I mean, my thing is, I don't think that it's manipulated, as you would say.

00:36:22.000 I do think that, in general, there is a general disdain for Israel, whether you want to look at TikTok saying, oh, yeah, pro-politics.

00:36:30.000 Well, if you look on X, X is overwhelmingly anti-Israel.

00:36:33.000 If you look at YouTube comment section where there's two people...

00:36:35.000 That's not true.

00:36:36.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:36:37.000 X is not overwhelmingly anti-Israel.

00:36:38.000 If it were...

00:36:39.000 Every big pro-Israel commentator gets ratioed whenever they show...

00:36:45.000 I got to pause you there, bro.

00:36:46.000 You're in a bubble.

00:36:47.000 You're in a bubble.

00:36:48.000 That's because of the people that...

00:36:49.000 I mean, he's got a point.

00:36:51.000 If that is true, then why isn't Twitter banned?

00:36:52.000 Because the Jews are almighty and powerful.

00:36:55.000 As unpopular and anti-Semitic as you're saying, Twitter is, then why isn't Twitter getting banned?

00:36:59.000 I didn't say that.

00:36:59.000 I just said that.

00:37:00.000 In general, on social media platforms, Israel is just not liked.

00:37:04.000 Whether you look at YouTube videos where there's someone debating Zionism versus pro-Palestine stances, the comment section, overwhelmingly anti-Israel.

00:37:12.000 You fiercely misunderstand the function of social media in that regard.

00:37:15.000 A loud community does not mean majority.

00:37:22.000 Well, I don't know.

00:37:23.000 10,000 people who post every single time is not the majority.

00:37:29.000 So do you know about the 1% rule on the internet?

00:37:31.000 We live in a bubble in the United States.

00:37:32.000 Do you know what the 1% rule is in the United States?

00:37:33.000 A free bubble.

00:37:35.000 Okay, do you know what the 1% rule on the internet is?

00:37:38.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:37:38.000 1% of the people make all of the comments.

00:37:41.000 Of course, of course.

00:37:41.000 So it is never correct to say that because I see more comments or more ratios, that determines...

00:37:47.000 This platform favors this thing.

00:37:49.000 So I can't speak to the entirety of the platform.

00:37:52.000 What I can say is...

00:37:53.000 But it does indicate trends and it does indicate popular sentiment.

00:37:57.000 But not this.

00:37:57.000 It absolutely does not.

00:37:59.000 So, for example, when I post...

00:38:01.000 But it's just literally logically not correct.

00:38:03.000 Just because there's a small group of people who are very loud does not mean it's trending or popular.

00:38:09.000 So, for example, if I make a post about Israel...

00:38:12.000 It gets slammed with spam that's anti-Israel.

00:38:14.000 Now, a normal person might be like, wow, people hate Israel. 0.99

00:38:17.000 Only, I'm not an idiot. 0.99

00:38:18.000 So what do I do?

00:38:19.000 On numerous occasions, I have posted a tweet with no text.

00:38:22.000 Literally, we'll just say Israel-Palestine.

00:38:24.000 Guess who wins every single time?

00:38:25.000 Israel.

00:38:26.000 80% to 20%.

00:38:27.000 Then, the last time I did it, some of these anti-Israel users took the tweet and said, you know what to do, boys.

00:38:35.000 And they all retweeted it like crazy.

00:38:37.000 It's shifted to 70-30.

00:38:38.000 I'm not saying that means Israel is more favored on the platform.

00:38:42.000 But I am saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease and a large, loud minority does not mean that X is anti-Israel in its majority.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, of course.

00:38:51.000 But I will say that there's a reason why the ADL is lobbying so strongly and saying anti-Semitism is on the rise and saying all this other stuff.

00:38:58.000 The youth people, young people are waking up and realizing that Israel is not our greatest allies. 0.96

00:39:02.000 I disagree.

00:39:03.000 I think there's a lot of people with legitimate criticisms of Israel.

00:39:08.000 We can see here from NBC News, to go back into the story.

00:39:11.000 I'm not a fan of NBC News, but look, critics renew calls for a TikTok ban claiming platform as an anti-Israel bias.

00:39:18.000 This is reported widely following October, saying that members of Congress, conservative activists, and wealthy tech investors are renewing calls to ban it, arguing that the popular content related to Israel-Hamas war on the app has a pro-Palestinian slant.

00:39:31.000 The concern was that it opposed U.S. military interests.

00:39:33.000 China was trying to sow discord and all that stuff. 1.00

00:39:36.000 It opposes Israeli interests, I would say. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Certainly Israeli interests, but that also is U.S. military interests.

00:39:44.000 Whether you think Israel is directing American foreign policy or the inverse, either way, the U.S. foreign policy is negatively impacted by TikTok, and I think the phrasing of that matters because it is the U.S. that is banning TikTok.

00:39:56.000 Do you think that when you say that Israel is directing U.S. foreign policy, do you think that Israel decides what the United States does?

00:40:06.000 Israel absolutely dictates our foreign policy, especially in the Middle East. 0.92

00:40:10.000 You mentioned Iraq War earlier, right?

00:40:11.000 You said it was a waste of time.

00:40:12.000 It was a bad war, right?

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 Why did we go to war in Iraq?

00:40:15.000 Well, because...

00:40:16.000 For Israel. 0.59

00:40:16.000 I don't believe that it was for Israel. 0.59

00:40:19.000 It was 100% for Israel. 0.93

00:40:20.000 I think that it was actually because Saddam Hussein went into Kuwait.

00:40:24.000 And I also believe that that's the reason...

00:40:27.000 Yeah, but that was like a decade prior.

00:40:28.000 Okay, no, no, I was talking about the first...

00:40:30.000 Desert Storm.

00:40:32.000 Desert Storm, not the second.

00:40:35.000 I'm sorry.

00:40:37.000 Someone's phone is next to their microphone.

00:40:40.000 It's all of our phones.

00:40:40.000 You guys could hear that.

00:40:41.000 It's all of our phones, yeah.

00:40:43.000 Was the Kuwait war for the Jews, too?

00:40:45.000 I'm sorry?

00:40:46.000 Was the Kuwait, when we went to war in Kuwait, for Israel?

00:40:50.000 Yes.

00:40:50.000 I mean, most of our conflicts in the Middle East is for the benefit of Israel.

00:40:54.000 We were defending Muslims in Kuwait.

00:40:56.000 I think they're mostly...

00:40:58.000 If we're going to go ahead and look at our foreign policy in the Middle East, it's 100% dictated for Israeli security.

00:41:03.000 I totally disagree because I think that a lot of the reason that we do have the military actions is because of the Saudis, because we're defending the Saudis, because of the military base that we have in Saudi Arabia and stuff like that, and keeping the Saudi royal family in power because of oil.

00:41:21.000 So I don't think that it's...

00:41:22.000 I mean, I do think that there are times where the U.S. does stuff in conjunction with Israel.

00:41:26.000 I'm not trying to say that we...

00:41:27.000 We don't.

00:41:28.000 But I don't think that it's always Israel and Israel's telling us what to do.

00:41:31.000 I would just say this.

00:41:32.000 If you were to say that Israel has immense pressure on U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, I'd be like, interesting, tell me more.

00:41:38.000 If you say they direct all of it, I'm going to be like, bro, come on, the Mujahideen, Afghanistan, the Soviets, all that stuff was not about Israel.

00:41:45.000 So to be so absolute, I feel, hurts your argument.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, well, here's the thing.

00:41:48.000 I'm not saying absolute, but I'm saying they dictate a significant amount of it.

00:41:51.000 Well, that's why I asked you to clarify earlier.

00:41:53.000 Well, I mean, we could talk about the Iraq War.

00:41:55.000 That was for Israel. 0.93

00:41:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:58.000 Explain that.

00:41:59.000 The first one or the second one?

00:42:00.000 I'm talking about 03. The weapons of mass destruction.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, I think that was Iraqi freedom or whatever, right?

00:42:05.000 I think George Bush was mad that Saddam Hussein tried to assassinate his daddy.

00:42:10.000 Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

00:42:12.000 The whole justification was 9-11, and there was no connection.

00:42:15.000 Go ahead.

00:42:15.000 I'm not saying you're wrong.

00:42:16.000 The point of the Iraq war was that we surrounded Iran. 0.87

00:42:19.000 As Bolton, you know, our Bolton bro over here, he knows this, but he winks at me.

00:42:23.000 Bolton said, you know, what do you say?

00:42:25.000 It's like in 2018 or whatever.

00:42:26.000 By this time next year, we will be celebrating in Tehran.

00:42:29.000 The U.S. foreign policy has long wanted to put a boot on Iran.

00:42:33.000 Who wrote the foreign policy?

00:42:35.000 For taking out Iran. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Dual citizen neocons.

00:42:39.000 Like who?

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 Wolfowitz, the Pearls, the Fives.

00:42:42.000 The Wolfowitz?

00:42:43.000 All dual citizen.

00:42:44.000 Wolfowitz has Israeli citizenship?

00:42:47.000 He doesn't have Wolfowitz.

00:42:48.000 Okay, maybe one doesn't have Israeli citizenship.

00:42:50.000 So no, let's be specific.

00:42:51.000 Who are you saying are the Israeli citizens?

00:42:54.000 Those guys, a bunch of them have dual citizenship.

00:42:57.000 Can we name them?

00:42:58.000 Because I want to be specific.

00:43:00.000 Wolfowitz doesn't.

00:43:00.000 Are we talking about Pearl, Fife, you know, Mill Crystal, etc.

00:43:06.000 The point is that we have individuals that have a...

00:43:09.000 Yeah, Wolfowitz is not.

00:43:10.000 The point is that...

00:43:12.000 Remember when they called Luke Redkowski a Jew?

00:43:15.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 Like, they made a chart of all the media personalities.

00:43:17.000 Not only Jewish, though, but Israeli citizens, and these aren't Israeli citizens.

00:43:20.000 The point is, is that they went ahead, and whether we're going to talk about a clean break memo, we're going to talk about foreign policy, etc.

00:43:26.000 We have guys that are vastly interested in the security of Israel.

00:43:30.000 There are government employees that have a dual loyalty.

00:43:32.000 I know that's a dirty word nowadays, but that is the truth. 1.00

00:43:35.000 I think the argument here is that there's no logical basis not to argue the inverse.

00:43:40.000 That the U.S. utilizes Israel as a partner in the Middle East for U.S. strategic interests, and so that's...

00:43:47.000 You would have no beef in the Middle East if not for Israel. 1.00

00:43:49.000 That's not true.

00:43:50.000 The Soviets in Afghanistan, China, and lithium in Afghanistan.

00:43:53.000 I disagree with that, too.

00:43:54.000 Well, hold on, hold on.

00:43:55.000 With the Soviets, that's a whole other situation. 0.88

00:43:57.000 We armed the Mujahideen and Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda to fight the Russians. 0.84

00:44:03.000 So in the Middle East, when we armed the Mujahideen and American imperialism radicalized and radicalized a bunch of them to become al-Qaeda, why did they radicalize?

00:44:12.000 Because American Empire was going and basically taking over a bunch of countries, overthrowing governments like Iran, bombing other countries, partnering with the Saudis, joining enemies of certain Islamic groups. 0.51

00:44:22.000 The United States was interfering in the Middle East to go to war with other countries.

00:44:25.000 On behalf of whom?

00:44:26.000 The United States!

00:44:27.000 Israel!

00:44:28.000 We did not arm the Mujahideen for Israel! 0.95

00:44:31.000 The Soviets were trying to take Afghanistan! 0.91

00:44:33.000 Israel helped harm the Mujahideen! 1.00

00:44:35.000 And then they won!

00:44:36.000 They beat him off.

00:44:38.000 Osama bin Laden.

00:44:39.000 Poor choice of words.

00:44:40.000 Yeah, that was a bad choice of words.

00:44:41.000 They knocked him out.

00:44:43.000 They got him out of there, right?

00:44:44.000 And then what ends up happening where Osama bin Laden, right, has a beef with Saddam trying to fight with Saudi Arabia.

00:44:51.000 He's like, hey, these guys, we need to go in and fight.

00:44:54.000 And then America says, no, we're going to protect them, etc.

00:44:56.000 And it's all over oil.

00:44:58.000 Go ahead.

00:44:59.000 Sorry.

00:44:59.000 Continue.

00:44:59.000 No, no, no.

00:45:00.000 Well, I was just going to say, I don't want to interrupt you.

00:45:02.000 I was just going to make a point when you were done.

00:45:05.000 I think the issue largely comes down to, of course, the United States and Israel are intertwined in military action in the Middle East.

00:45:11.000 The US has its interests, Israel has its interests, and they cooperate largely.

00:45:15.000 Of course.

00:45:15.000 What we end up then hearing from certain groups of people is that Israel is directing it.

00:45:20.000 When it's like, I don't know, I mean, like, the US probably meets with Israel and says, here are the objectives we want, and then they work as a team.

00:45:26.000 It is the foundation of many of the reasons why the Middle East hates us. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Is our support of Israel.

00:45:31.000 It is a huge reason.

00:45:33.000 If you look at every single terrorist that's attacked the United States, whether it's Osama Bin Laden or the Zocar brothers. 1.00

00:45:37.000 Every single time, our support of Israel is one of the chief reasons why they attack us. 1.00

00:45:41.000 That is 100% correct.

00:45:42.000 And bin Laden wrote about it.

00:45:43.000 Other countries have stated it strongly.

00:45:46.000 The conflict with Hamas, Iran's interests, they do not like that the U.S. provides weapons support, etc.

00:45:52.000 to Israel.

00:45:53.000 It doesn't mean Israel controls the U.S. I mean, that's a debatable thing.

00:45:58.000 That's the debate we're having.

00:45:59.000 Yeah, but I'm saying that they absolutely...

00:46:02.000 Because we don't get any benefit from being over there.

00:46:04.000 We really don't.

00:46:05.000 What strategic benefit does the United States get?

00:46:09.000 I would say this.

00:46:10.000 I agree with you for a different reason.

00:46:12.000 The United States, what benefit do we get from Ukraine or from Sudan or from Taiwan?

00:46:18.000 I agree.

00:46:19.000 Right, so for a different reason, I'm like, the U.S. isn't benefiting from these foreign entanglements in these ways. 0.64

00:46:24.000 Yeah, we don't.

00:46:24.000 But the U.S. neocon neoliberal establishment and the military industrial complex and the petrodollar machine and the IMF and the swift payment system largely benefit from all of these incursions and alliances.

00:46:36.000 It's not just Israel.

00:46:37.000 There's a reason why we spent more on Ukraine in two years than all of Israel in 50 years. 0.91

00:46:41.000 Yeah, but Israel gets away with things that other countries would never get away with. 0.79

00:46:44.000 Ukraine gets away with things. 0.91

00:46:45.000 Ukraine is drafting 60-year-olds and women.

00:46:48.000 Yeah, but has Ukraine been involved in spying on us?

00:46:51.000 Yes.

00:46:51.000 Have they stolen nuclear weapons from us?

00:46:53.000 Yes.

00:46:54.000 They've stolen nuclear weapons?

00:46:55.000 No, no, no.

00:46:55.000 They were spying on us.

00:46:58.000 And Kissinger gave Israel nuclear weapons.

00:47:00.000 It wasn't like they stole them.

00:47:02.000 Kissinger was like...

00:47:02.000 No, they absolutely stole them.

00:47:04.000 Wait, hold on.

00:47:05.000 From the Americans? 0.91

00:47:06.000 I thought it was the French.

00:47:08.000 No, they stole the weapons from Apollo in Pennsylvania from the NUMEC facility.

00:47:13.000 They absolutely stole it.

00:47:14.000 Smuggled them through South America destined for... 1.00

00:47:17.000 So, alright, the challenge with that is that they stole the uranium.

00:47:21.000 So, here's the challenge.

00:47:23.000 So, uranium or nuclear weapons?

00:47:24.000 The uranium that they used to eventually create the nuclear weapons, and they should be getting aid now because of Jimmy Carter.

00:47:30.000 So, that's impossible to prove.

00:47:32.000 Kennedy knew this.

00:47:33.000 There's a reason why he got killed.

00:47:34.000 One of the reasons he got killed.

00:47:35.000 Bro, bro.

00:47:36.000 I don't know if you want to go down this path, but, like, I'm telling you, like, Kennedy knew this.

00:47:39.000 This is not true.

00:47:40.000 This is the soil of Damona.

00:47:42.000 I've watched these videos too.

00:47:43.000 I've read the documents as well.

00:47:45.000 It's a lot of conjecture omitting a lot of information.

00:47:47.000 So here's the issue I take with the Israel controls everything. 0.98

00:47:52.000 It's like...

00:47:53.000 I'm not saying everything.

00:47:54.000 I mean like the American foreign policy.

00:47:56.000 Significant amount of foreign policy.

00:47:57.000 Significant amount.

00:47:57.000 The issue is...

00:48:00.000 I've long made this argument with a lot of different conspiracy theories.

00:48:02.000 I don't mean that in a negative way.

00:48:04.000 I mean like a group of people literally coming together to try and dictate something is that people will find a morsel of truth and they will isolate with a magnifying glass, zoom in, and it becomes their whole world.

00:48:14.000 There are so many moving pieces to American empire.

00:48:17.000 So that's why I bring up Ukraine.

00:48:18.000 So the issue with like foreign policy, Israel, Kennedy, and all these things, it is, in my, and I will just say this.

00:48:26.000 It is silly to say that Israel is the reason Kennedy got killed.

00:48:30.000 It's a component.

00:48:31.000 I agree with you.

00:48:32.000 That's very lazy because there was a bunch of people that wanted Kennedy gone, the mafia, the CIA. The Zionists wanted him gone.

00:48:37.000 They absolutely wanted him gone.

00:48:38.000 So I never sit there and say, it's just them.

00:48:40.000 No, I can explain systematically why they wanted him gone.

00:48:43.000 But no one talks about the Zionist connection with the JFK assassination.

00:48:45.000 What was the organization?

00:48:47.000 It was like AZN and then there was AIPAC. People take one piece and zoom it in.

00:48:53.000 And that's wrong.

00:48:54.000 There were so many components to this.

00:48:55.000 So that's why it's impossible to have a real argument.

00:48:57.000 Here's the thing.

00:48:58.000 They found in the soil, they tested the soil, they came back.

00:49:01.000 Who was they though?

00:49:02.000 The CIA. They went over and they tested Demona, right?

00:49:05.000 Yeah, I know.

00:49:06.000 They went back and tested the soil and they found that there's uranium in there.

00:49:09.000 Back then, the only country that was making uranium of that enrichment was the United States from that Apollo facility.

00:49:15.000 That's how Kenny knew that they had stolen uranium from us.

00:49:17.000 We were the only ones that made it.

00:49:19.000 The reason why I bring up...

00:49:20.000 And he was putting pressure on Ben-Gurion.

00:49:21.000 To have nuclear inspections.

00:49:23.000 That's why he resigned, actually, as a matter of fact.

00:49:25.000 So it's been well documented that they stole the nuclear weapon from us and the materials to do so.

00:49:31.000 And, you know, we should be giving them aid because they violated an act from Jimmy Carter in 1973 because of that.

00:49:36.000 So I can't really go to that.

00:49:38.000 I don't have a good response.

00:49:40.000 But what I will say is...

00:49:41.000 Let's discuss that another time.

00:49:42.000 There's the aid that goes to Sudan that's been massive.

00:49:45.000 There's obviously Taiwan.

00:49:46.000 There's Ukraine.

00:49:47.000 We've given more money to Ukraine in two years than Israel in 60, 70 years.

00:49:52.000 Yep.

00:49:53.000 Get this.

00:49:54.000 Ukraine, according to numerous sources, including Politico, which contradicts itself, Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election to try and get Hillary Clinton elected.

00:50:01.000 The Ukrainian president has come to this country and lobbied Congress, and Congress all waved Ukrainian flags in unison.

00:50:07.000 You can hear that, too.

00:50:08.000 I mean, that to me is absolutely insane.

00:50:10.000 I'm not for 4 and 8 at all, by the way.

00:50:12.000 Alright, but here's my point.

00:50:13.000 I'm against it.

00:50:13.000 I'm not for 4 and 8. When people are like...

00:50:15.000 Like, Israel controls us.

00:50:17.000 And I'm like, bro, they were waving Ukrainian flags in our Congress.

00:50:20.000 They dropped it down.

00:50:21.000 As the president came, even after they tried to overthrow our government.

00:50:26.000 This is not an exaggeration.

00:50:27.000 The Ukrainian government fed documents to political enemies of Donald Trump and got Manafort arrested to disrupt Trump's campaign.

00:50:33.000 And he still won.

00:50:35.000 Then you get the Burisma scandal.

00:50:37.000 Then, like, Ukraine is deeply entwined and interfering with the United States' government.

00:50:42.000 Criminal actions.

00:50:43.000 The Nord Stream pipeline was bombed.

00:50:45.000 Germany has accused the Ukrainian of having done it.

00:50:47.000 Yet the U.S. has given Ukraine more.

00:50:49.000 I'm not saying that Ukrainians secretly control the world.

00:50:52.000 Foreign policy is not dictated by any one source.

00:50:55.000 The figures at play here are massive, global, and I think the bigger picture to look at is IMF, SWIFT, the Military Industrial Complex, the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:51:06.000 These groups are not all one unified group.

00:51:09.000 They're all just different wealthy special interests from various countries who all want somewhat different things but kind of align in certain areas.

00:51:15.000 It's a big pie, and there are definitely Jews that are looking for a piece, but it's not all the Jews eating the pie.

00:51:22.000 I'm very specific here where I'm saying that they're able to get away with certain things that other countries and other allies would never be able to get away with.

00:51:30.000 I'll say it again.

00:51:31.000 We don't have a Ukrainian lobby that controls our politicians.

00:51:34.000 What happened when Donald Trump tried to investigate the Burisma scandal?

00:51:41.000 You're talking about with the Biden family, right?

00:51:44.000 Obviously the Biden crime family.

00:51:45.000 All Trump said was there's this video of Biden saying If you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.

00:51:50.000 I want to know what's about.

00:51:51.000 What happened to Donald Trump?

00:51:52.000 A CIA agent, or I don't know if it was an agent or whatever, someone who was working with CIA, recorded a phone call, passed it off to another employee who blew the whistle, resulting in not only the impeachment of Donald Trump, an attempt to arrest and jail him, but also big tech companies in the United States banned anyone who would say the name of that CIA agent.

00:52:12.000 That is one of the most insane things I have ever heard.

00:52:16.000 And a criminal action.

00:52:17.000 By a former vice president, a quid pro quo, as he was active vice president, illegal by their standards.

00:52:24.000 And when Trump said, let's investigate this, the CIA went after Donald Trump for it.

00:52:29.000 Yeah.

00:52:29.000 Or Ukraine, not for Israel.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 Well, look, again, I'm not doubting what you're saying.

00:52:35.000 Like, of course, the Burisma scandal, everything else like that.

00:52:37.000 Yes, that occurred.

00:52:38.000 But what I am saying is that Ukraine does not have the same level of influence that Israel does.

00:52:42.000 In the United States.

00:52:43.000 They don't have a super lobby.

00:52:45.000 They don't have the powerful lobby that they have.

00:52:47.000 And quite frankly, Ukraine would not be able to get away with half the things that Israel's been able to do. 0.85

00:52:52.000 Well, I will say this.

00:52:54.000 I do want to move on because we have big news.

00:52:56.000 And I do think it's a fun conversation.

00:52:57.000 It's a great discussion.

00:52:58.000 I'm happy to have it.

00:52:59.000 There's so much history.

00:53:01.000 We have to go back like 200 years.

00:53:02.000 I don't think we'd ever get there.

00:53:03.000 So let's just...

00:53:03.000 I'm just going to cut it off there.

00:53:06.000 APEC should register as a foreign lobby group.

00:53:08.000 Why?

00:53:09.000 It's Americans donating.

00:53:10.000 Still think they should.

00:53:11.000 Still think they should.

00:53:12.000 Well, let's jump to this next story because it is somewhat still related to the big foreign policy discussion.

00:53:16.000 We have this from The Daily Wire.

00:53:18.000 Trump's inauguration to be moved indoors.

00:53:21.000 Officials were worried about the health of those attending due to the freezing temperatures that are expected.

00:53:25.000 Now, the first thing, polar vortex, ladies and gentlemen.

00:53:28.000 They're saying the polar vortex is coming and it's going to be very cold, too cold maybe, and so they're going to have to go inside.

00:53:35.000 Now, the news around this in the immediate is that a lot of people who had tickets to the inauguration...

00:53:41.000 Are getting notifications that they can no longer attend.

00:53:44.000 Indoors means much, much smaller capacity. 0.93

00:53:47.000 I'm curious, however, if any y'all have a theory as to a different theory as to why they may be moving.

00:53:54.000 I can speak on this a little bit.

00:53:55.000 You know, as you guys know, I used to be especially with DHS and I've done Secret Service details before.

00:54:00.000 And I will tell you guys, I mean, obviously the fact that he's been almost assassinated twice.

00:54:04.000 Is gonna play a role into that and to them they're like look we just want to get this done They're obviously probably stressing out right now They're making sure that he's gonna be safe because the worst thing that could happen is something happened to the president-elect on inauguration day So I think this is more of a self-preservation Whoever the director of the Secret Service is right now is like I'm not gonna get cheetled We're gonna bring him inside, we're gonna make sure this is good, and we're gonna get it done.

00:54:27.000 Cheatled?

00:54:27.000 Yeah, cheatled.

00:54:28.000 So that's what I would say is, like, they're just trying to avoid headaches.

00:54:31.000 Here you go, from the Post Femenal, D.C. area police refused to help secure Trump inauguration event.

00:54:36.000 As soon as that happens, Trump probably said, bring it inside.

00:54:39.000 They used health instead of safety, and claimed freezing temperatures instead of, well, they righted last time we elected him.

00:54:45.000 Yeah, here's what I'll say.

00:54:47.000 The Jews were just forced to have a horrible deal in Israel that Trump forced upon them.

00:54:54.000 And they said, hey, your inauguration was supposed to be beautiful weather.

00:54:57.000 We might have to turn down the temps a little bit.

00:54:58.000 So they have a special Israeli harp.

00:55:02.000 But in all seriousness...

00:55:03.000 I just want to say this.

00:55:04.000 YouTube, he's joking, please.

00:55:05.000 Don't ban me.

00:55:07.000 In all seriousness, it's just actually really cold, and I don't think there's any foul play here.

00:55:12.000 Yeah.

00:55:13.000 And then also, I think it's important for people...

00:55:14.000 Not as funny, though.

00:55:15.000 It's not as interesting.

00:55:16.000 The Secret Service is heavily dependent upon other law enforcement agencies to augment their security details.

00:55:21.000 So them saying, hey, we don't want to be involved there.

00:55:25.000 We're not going to be able to give you as much manpower as you want.

00:55:26.000 That is going to play a huge role in how much the Secret Service is or what they're going to do.

00:55:32.000 And this kind of got exposed when he got shot the first time.

00:55:36.000 They're too overly reliant on other agencies.

00:55:38.000 So I think this also plays a big role in, okay, if you guys can't give us what we need, we're just not going to do it.

00:55:43.000 Versus maybe prior assassinations, if there had never been assassinations, they'd kind of make do and they'd bring other people in.

00:55:49.000 But now they're like, you know what?

00:55:50.000 No, we're not even going to try it.

00:55:52.000 I think security is a big factor here.

00:55:54.000 The media is calling it a conspiracy.

00:55:56.000 Look at this.

00:55:57.000 Daily Mail says, MAGA Republicans spark deep state conspiracy theories as Trump's inauguration has moved indoors.

00:56:03.000 Security fears.

00:56:04.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene said, I have personally attended countless rallies where President Trump spoke in extreme weather conditions from cold to rain to heat.

00:56:11.000 Is there a security threat other than extreme cold temperatures, not only for him but for the people?

00:56:17.000 I think it's highly likely.

00:56:19.000 We had already heard that there was, I believe it was the Secret Service or the FBI issued a statement that there was a severe threat from politically aggrieved individuals coming up in D.C. this week.

00:56:30.000 That report dropped.

00:56:31.000 We covered that last week.

00:56:33.000 Next thing we know, they're going indoors saying it's for the cold.

00:56:35.000 I think they may fear this drone stuff.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, I mean, look.

00:56:40.000 Just me putting on my old agent hat.

00:56:42.000 Like, if I was the director of Secret Service, and I'm, like, responsible for his safety, given all the fucking issues that have occurred over the past few months, I want this to be done as nicely as possible, smooth, no issues, we got threats, whatever, I'm gonna mitigate as many risks as I can.

00:56:56.000 He's indoors, I can control everything, I control who goes in, who goes out, there's no open air, like, they can't afford for anything to even, like...

00:57:06.000 From a micro level, look bad.

00:57:08.000 So, yeah, I mean, if I was the director, I'd put them inside, too.

00:57:10.000 I'd be like, your safety is paramount, and we're not even going to risk it.

00:57:12.000 I'm going to disagree.

00:57:13.000 The Capitol is actually very easy to get inside of.

00:57:15.000 They will just open doors, so you can walk right in.

00:57:21.000 Fair enough.

00:57:23.000 There's going to be some dude dressed like a shaman.

00:57:24.000 Better than outside, then.

00:57:25.000 Instead of the American flag, he's got a pride flag. 0.74

00:57:28.000 At Trump's last inauguration, there were actually a lot many protesters outside, and I believe there were many fights.

00:57:33.000 Not fights.

00:57:34.000 Trump supporters getting assaulted.

00:57:35.000 I was there.

00:57:36.000 So maybe they're trying to prevent something like that.

00:57:38.000 It was several hundred people running around, smashing windows, starting fires.

00:57:42.000 They torched some vehicles, and the police arrested some 200 of them.

00:57:47.000 I was initially caught in the group of those arrested, and I calmly waited, holding up a press badge until I was able to get out.

00:57:53.000 Many others were arrested, charged with conspiracy, ultimately found, had their charges dropped, sued the city and won a million bucks.

00:58:00.000 Do you think we'll see anything like that this year?

00:58:02.000 Yep.

00:58:03.000 Now, I say yes, but these people do not like bad weather.

00:58:10.000 Leftists...

00:58:10.000 We'll scream and bash their faces on the table screaming revolution and then it starts raining and they say, you want to go inside and have tea and play video games instead?

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 Like, it is wild to me having covered all these protests.

00:58:22.000 And I don't know if you've experienced this too a lot, but like, they'll put out a flyer being like, we're protesting, everyone show up at, you know, Union Square or whatever.

00:58:30.000 And then it rains and like 10 people show up.

00:58:33.000 Yeah, bad weather definitely.

00:58:35.000 Tamps down the crowds a bit.

00:58:37.000 I haven't seen any flyers and stuff this inauguration.

00:58:41.000 I was surprised.

00:58:43.000 We'll see what the reaction is this time around.

00:58:45.000 Last time around there was the Women's March. 1.00

00:58:48.000 We'll see if something like that comes into play.

00:58:49.000 It'd be funny if that, like, now that we're hearing that deep state people are quitting, Donald Trump is coming in, that all of a sudden Antifa just ceases to exist.

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 I mean, there weren't any protests at almost any Trump rallies this time around.

00:59:05.000 No protesters at all, which was a bit shocking to me because the first time around...

00:59:10.000 The deep state just gave up.

00:59:13.000 Well, Trump became normalized a bit, and you can only fear monger for how many years? 0.55

00:59:17.000 Seven, eight years before.

00:59:18.000 It's just like, wait, this guy was already president.

00:59:20.000 We should make a group called Antifa for Trump, and then show up in D.C. wearing, like, masks and everything, but waving American flags with Trump on it. 0.94

00:59:27.000 It was just cheaper to hire one person to try to shoot him.

00:59:29.000 Honestly, than have riots all summer long?

00:59:33.000 I think that there's just not the energy there anymore.

00:59:36.000 We've talked about this a little bit.

00:59:38.000 There has to be at least a baseline of people that are really upset.

00:59:43.000 And without the stuff that came with the George Floyd situation, you don't see the same kind of people freaking out.

00:59:53.000 Even the first time that he got elected, I wouldn't be surprised.

00:59:56.000 If when he actually gets inaugurated, there is a little bit of...

00:59:59.000 There are some issues in D.C. Like, you know, there was that dude that his limousine was caught on fire and there were some windows broken.

01:00:07.000 That might happen, but I don't imagine that it's going to be a significant issue this time.

01:00:11.000 I think that the energy is just gone.

01:00:12.000 I think people aren't...

01:00:14.000 It's not as convincing. 0.97

01:00:15.000 Oh, the fascist.

01:00:17.000 I don't think that convinces people the way they used to.

01:00:18.000 Trump won the popular vote.

01:00:19.000 Yeah.

01:00:20.000 People were convinced Trump is the right choice at this point.

01:00:23.000 Yeah.

01:00:23.000 So a lot of the bodies that Antifa and far leftists needed to provide the cover for them voted for Trump.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 There you go.

01:00:30.000 Yeah.

01:00:31.000 I think at this point, it's Secret Service just kind of, you know, they got a blemish.

01:00:34.000 So they're like, dude, we're not even going to risk it.

01:00:36.000 I mean, look, I'll tell you how bad it was, right?

01:00:38.000 So this is me kind of going in the weeds here, but just to explain, like, the situation.

01:00:43.000 After Trump got shot in July, the RNC was right after, right?

01:00:47.000 And when I was there at the RNC, I saw FBI agents there.

01:00:50.000 I was like, in plain clothes, right?

01:00:52.000 Doing security.

01:00:53.000 And I was like... 0.99

01:00:53.000 Wow, this is, you never see FBI do fucking security details. 0.99

01:00:57.000 That's a Secret Service, DHS thing, typically. 0.98

01:01:00.000 They don't bring in DOJ agents in.

01:01:02.000 So the fact that they brought them in, I was like, okay, like, they're really like, okay, we can't afford to have anything happen here.

01:01:08.000 So I think at this point, right, we just got to get our guy sworn in nicely and safely and no director of Secret Service wants to take a risk and have their neck on the chopping block.

01:01:15.000 What they saw happen to Cheadle, they're like, nope, we're just going to make sure he's good to get sworn in and we don't have to deal with no hands.

01:01:21.000 Who is it right now?

01:01:22.000 Do you know?

01:01:23.000 It's probably the guy that...

01:01:24.000 It's a guy.

01:01:25.000 I forget his name.

01:01:26.000 He had to testify after the fact.

01:01:27.000 He was the deputy director.

01:01:28.000 He's more than likely acting, I'm assuming.

01:01:30.000 Because that's how the government works.

01:01:32.000 Because they never actually want to hire anybody.

01:01:33.000 They just make them act for free.

01:01:34.000 So that's how it goes with the government.

01:01:36.000 So that's how I knew it was bad. 0.99

01:01:38.000 When I saw bureau agents there, I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:01:40.000 Pull these guys out of the JTTF for this? 0.99

01:01:42.000 Well, here's my expectation for the next term.

01:01:47.000 The Babylon Beast has announcement.

01:01:48.000 The Babylon Beast will shut down as there will be nothing to make fun of during the perfect Trump administration.

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 I bet.

01:01:54.000 That's how we all feel.

01:01:55.000 I hope every liberal hears this and clips this.

01:01:57.000 Trump can't do anything wrong.

01:01:59.000 Literally, everything he's ever done has been perfect, no matter what.

01:02:02.000 Even when, you know, he fired rockets into Syria.

01:02:06.000 Nope.

01:02:06.000 Perfect.

01:02:07.000 They were perfect rockets.

01:02:08.000 Okay.

01:02:08.000 Perfect.

01:02:09.000 Yeah.

01:02:09.000 It was all done.

01:02:10.000 Too perfect.

01:02:10.000 Too good of administration, actually.

01:02:12.000 And Trump can't do anything wrong because Trump is perfect.

01:02:16.000 I injected bleach on his recommendation.

01:02:18.000 And it did well, didn't it?

01:02:19.000 It did.

01:02:20.000 It did well.

01:02:20.000 Don't do that.

01:02:22.000 But it is pretty wild to me that, you know, we had this debate this morning with some liberals, and the question they kept asking was, can you defend Trump's actions?

01:02:29.000 And it's just like, yes.

01:02:31.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 Some of them you criticize, like he's not perfect, but like, the world that liberals live in.

01:02:35.000 They're more concerned about like the...

01:02:37.000 You know, the peaceful transfer of power. 0.99

01:02:40.000 And I was like, well, you guys always forget that, like, the election was fucking stolen. 0.99

01:02:44.000 It really was. 0.96

01:02:45.000 I was like, dude, there was an overwhelming amount of evidence to show that at least it warrants an investigation. 0.97

01:02:51.000 So it's like, he's a fascist! 0.97

01:02:53.000 He's an authoritarian! 0.62

01:02:54.000 Even if you're uncomfortable saying that it was stolen, like, if you can at least acknowledge that it was a novel election and having mailed, mailing out ballots and then having people go collect those ballots, that is...

01:03:06.000 Dude, I listed off 20 things, like 10 or 20 things of issues that we had with this election.

01:03:11.000 They're like, geolocation!

01:03:13.000 I'm like, okay, what about the other 19 things I named?

01:03:16.000 There's actually one issue that needs to be answered that was never answered that could have changed the results of the election, and it was none of the things you mentioned.

01:03:23.000 It was the unilateral altering of the elections by governors and judges, which violates the Constitution.

01:03:34.000 Individual state constitutions.

01:03:35.000 Right.

01:03:36.000 And the federal constitution, which dictates that the legislatures of the state determine how elections are run.

01:03:40.000 So when a judge decreed universal mail-in voting, violation of the constitution.

01:03:45.000 When a governor decreed universal mail-in voting, violation of the constitution.

01:03:49.000 And Pennsylvania...

01:03:51.000 A lower court ruled that Republicans were correct on the merits and would likely win.

01:03:56.000 That implementing universal mail-in voting violated the Constitution and the proper procedure was not put in place.

01:04:02.000 When it went to the higher court in the state, the Supreme Court was Democrat appointees.

01:04:06.000 They said, no, we're going to allow it anyway.

01:04:08.000 A lawsuit was had.

01:04:09.000 48 states got involved.

01:04:10.000 Texas v. 0.99

01:04:11.000 Pennsylvania.

01:04:11.000 And Texas said, we cannot be party to an election.

01:04:14.000 I'm paraphrasing.

01:04:17.000 Paralegaling.

01:04:18.000 They were basically saying that Pennsylvania violated the Constitution and their votes should be null.

01:04:24.000 How is it fair that we abide by the rules of the Constitution?

01:04:28.000 They don't, but our votes get weighed the same.

01:04:31.000 And the Supreme Court, ever being the cowards they are, said we will not answer this question.

01:04:37.000 Thomas and Alita were based AF and said, let's absolutely answer that question.

01:04:41.000 We should with the Supreme Court.

01:04:42.000 It's a question for us.

01:04:43.000 It's called the original jurisdiction.

01:04:44.000 And the rest of the justices were like, no, please, we're scared.

01:04:47.000 They'll be saying mean things to us.

01:04:49.000 So now, as a nation, we do not have an answer to the question of what happens when states unilaterally, through executive authority, alter an elections rules in violation of the federal constitution.

01:05:01.000 That is a constitutional crisis, and it's never been answered, needs to be answered, and it's shocking that we're in this position.

01:05:07.000 So to all those liberals who are like, Trump did this, Trump did that, I'll be like, don't know, don't care.

01:05:12.000 Several states, the governors, like Georgia, said, we're doing it this way.

01:05:16.000 You can't do that!

01:05:17.000 That's unconstitutional, and it's never been ruled on.

01:05:20.000 And the issue of standing happens when someone would say, I'm a voter in this state.

01:05:25.000 I do not like that they changed the rules.

01:05:28.000 It impacts the results of the election.

01:05:29.000 The courts would say, no standing because you're not running for office.

01:05:34.000 Then Donald Trump would sue and they would say, no standing because it's moot.

01:05:39.000 They wouldn't say no standing, they would say moot, that the outcome of changing this would not alter the election substantively, so we will actually not take the merits.

01:05:48.000 So they didn't actually get a chance to argue what should have been argued.

01:05:51.000 I viewed it as largely corrupt and procedural, but there is actually only one point that matters to 2020. I mean, the first thing I'll say is it's over.

01:05:58.000 Trump wins, in three days he'll be president, and we can all just...

01:06:01.000 It actually worked out well for us in that he created this coalition with RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramoswamy.

01:06:08.000 But the only question...

01:06:10.000 Now I forgot what I was going to say was the only question that mattered.

01:06:12.000 Because I was getting...

01:06:13.000 Well, while you think of it, what I was going to say was I just find it interesting how they just wanted to go right at the fascism.

01:06:19.000 Like, oh, he's a fascist because he did XYZ. He didn't want to have the peaceful transfer of power.

01:06:23.000 As if, like...

01:06:25.000 He didn't have a cause to say, well, we need to question this election because it's BS. And what you mentioned with the courts, what I mentioned, it warranted an investigation at bare minimum.

01:06:34.000 It's not like the MAGA movement was like, oh, this is bullshit. 0.98

01:06:38.000 No, there was questions there with this election. 0.99

01:06:41.000 The only thing that mattered in 2020 was that power won.

01:06:47.000 You can claim it was stolen from Trump.

01:06:49.000 You can claim whatever you want.

01:06:50.000 It doesn't matter.

01:06:51.000 Joe Biden won the power in the game of politics.

01:06:54.000 And if you think politics is a game played where you get as many votes as possible, I got a bridge to sell you.

01:07:00.000 So when I say Joe Biden wins, a lot of people go, no, he didn't win.

01:07:03.000 Trump actually won.

01:07:04.000 It was stolen.

01:07:04.000 I'll be like, look, man.

01:07:05.000 He got more votes than Kamala, didn't he?

01:07:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:08.000 No, no, no, no.

01:07:08.000 Kamala got more votes.

01:07:09.000 Two powerful entities are vying for power.

01:07:13.000 They're playing a game.

01:07:14.000 You abided by the rules and you lost.

01:07:16.000 Then you said, we actually won.

01:07:17.000 No, because there's one man sitting in the throne.

01:07:20.000 And then what does he do?

01:07:22.000 Utilizes the power of the federal government to go after Trump and all of his opponents.

01:07:25.000 Doesn't sound like Trump won that to me.

01:07:27.000 So you can say winning is a gentleman's game where we sit down and count the votes.

01:07:32.000 Meanwhile, the Democrats walk in, stuff the ballot, and then say, who won?

01:07:36.000 And you go, well, we would have if you didn't stuff the ballots.

01:07:38.000 No, no, no.

01:07:38.000 Prove it.

01:07:39.000 We're not going to let you because we win.

01:07:41.000 Yeah, and you can't even investigate it because you don't have the Justice Department.

01:07:43.000 Yeah, he does now.

01:07:44.000 Do you think he will investigate it?

01:07:46.000 I hope he does.

01:07:47.000 He was very quiet about it this election because it was a losing argument.

01:07:50.000 He didn't really help his polling.

01:07:51.000 I wonder if he will investigate now.

01:07:54.000 I have a dog in this game.

01:07:57.000 I would like to be vindicated.

01:07:58.000 It would be very, very nice if history talked a little bit nicer about me in the long run.

01:08:02.000 Yeah, I think all the Januaries need to be pardoned, man. 1.00

01:08:05.000 I mean, that's not even...

01:08:07.000 It's going to be funny when Trump launches an investigation and it comes out and they say, that lectern actually was owned by Adam.

01:08:15.000 Lectern guy, can I ask you, what's your reaction to J.D. Vance?

01:08:19.000 I think he said that he wanted to pardon the non-violent, I think, or people who didn't attack cop January 6th rioters.

01:08:26.000 I have a different take than a lot of J6ers. 1.00

01:08:29.000 I think that we should pardon the non-violent people day one, just full on pardon. 1.00

01:08:34.000 I do think that we should commit sentences for people who committed acts of violence because they've served way more time than people typically serve for those charges.

01:08:42.000 My concern with the blanket pardoned is that not just that people who were maybe bad actors get swept under the rug, it's that the entire thing gets swept under the rug.

01:08:50.000 I want to know where the pipe bomb came from, who was in charge of that.

01:08:54.000 I want to know why the Capitol doors, magnetic locks were opened.

01:08:57.000 I want to know exactly who was in that crowd, who may have been instigating some of the things like breaking windows.

01:09:03.000 Pulling people inside.

01:09:04.000 If we do a blanket pardon, I think it's a very easy way to just sweep it under the rug and don't talk about it anymore.

01:09:10.000 Absolutely.

01:09:11.000 I want to ask you just to follow up because some critics would, not critics, I obviously want pardons for the right people and not for the others, but there's some who say Trump needs to just put this stuff behind him and for him to rehash it with pardons or some sort of congressional investigation into what happened is just really bogging down time that they could be doing other things with.

01:09:29.000 It's a short-sighted victory to say we're pardoned, therefore we are whole because people will not be made whole when they're pardoned.

01:09:35.000 They've lost their licenses.

01:09:36.000 They've lost their ability to have gainful employment.

01:09:38.000 there is no coming back from it if you were a J6. 1.00

01:09:40.000 Your life is functionally over at at least a vocational sense, right?

01:09:46.000 Unless you lean into J6, you're now that person trying to make some type of money off of it, you're pretty much done.

01:09:50.000 You know, I find it...

01:09:51.000 Oh, sorry.

01:09:51.000 I wanted you to finish.

01:09:53.000 No, it's good.

01:09:53.000 We, to...

01:09:56.000 These people need to be restored historically, in canon, in history.

01:10:00.000 They need to be told that what they did, maybe hitting cops is always bad.

01:10:04.000 Don't stand for that.

01:10:04.000 That's a bad thing.

01:10:05.000 But a lot of these people put their hands on the back of cops said good job and they got charged with assault for this You those stories need to be made very public very widely known that that was not assault And this person was charged for that and went to prison for that and lost his entire livelihood for it I agree for multiple reasons First of all, because that is the right thing to do.

01:10:24.000 But second of all, it'll actually show people exactly how lawless...

01:10:30.000 The Biden DOJ has been.

01:10:32.000 And the Democrats have been when it comes to what happened on January 6th.

01:10:36.000 The way that the people have been treated.

01:10:38.000 People that have done nothing wrong.

01:10:41.000 But that have been, had their lives destroyed, and even if they didn't end up spending a ton of time in jail, if they, you know, they got exonerated or whatever, they still had to go through, there are a lot of people that had to go through the process of dealing with the government, and a lot of times, the process is the punishment.

01:10:56.000 So I think I completely agree. 0.86

01:10:57.000 And it's, you know, someone that used to work in law enforcement, I think it's bullshit, like, that they wasted this ridiculous amount of resources to go after these guys, for a lot of the times, for misdemeanors, man, for misdemeanors. 0.89

01:11:07.000 Like, you take an oath, right, to defend a constitution, right, in 1811, especially. 0.85

01:11:10.000 Like, you're supposed to investigate felonies.

01:11:13.000 You're not supposed to sit there and go after misdemeanors. 0.99

01:11:15.000 And then I also find it interesting how, you know, the George Floyd riots, they didn't do shit! 0.99

01:11:19.000 They destroyed the city of Minneapolis, they destroyed Seattle, they destroyed Portland, they destroyed all these liberal cities. 0.98

01:11:23.000 They didn't go after any of them.

01:11:25.000 Antifa, BLM, etc.

01:11:26.000 These are terrorist organizations. 0.99

01:11:27.000 But they went ahead and expended all these resources, all these agents, all these prosecutions for fucking misdemeanors. 0.99

01:11:32.000 Meanwhile, these guys are over here shooting at the Minneapolis Police Department, setting stuff on fire. 0.99

01:11:37.000 Like, it's absolutely ridiculous. 0.51

01:11:38.000 it's absolutely a waste of um resources and this is why the fbi has you know its reputations went into the fucking shitter over the past several uh years because they don't go after the appropriate targets myron wow i strongly agree with you i I think why so many people have an issue condemning so much of what happened on January 6th is that double standard, that they don't see any of these organizations, the FBI, going against any of the stuff we saw during the George Floyd. 0.95

01:12:06.000 Yeah, no, they don't.

01:12:07.000 Double standard.

01:12:08.000 And it pisses me off.

01:12:09.000 Double standard pisses me off.

01:12:10.000 And then the other thing, too, is that I used to come from that world, so I know how costly it is, how much time and resources it takes to prosecute that many people for misdemeanors?

01:12:18.000 Seriously? 0.99

01:12:19.000 We got real shit going on in this country. 1.00

01:12:20.000 We're going to go after some patriots because they went into a building to peacefully protest against an election that was fucking stolen? 1.00

01:12:27.000 Ridiculous, man. 1.00

01:12:28.000 And the FBI needs to really reevaluate what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

01:12:31.000 There used to be a great agency, a lot of great lore. 1.00

01:12:34.000 Now, it's a reputation in the fucking shitter, man. 0.99

01:12:36.000 This is my thing, right? 1.00

01:12:37.000 We talk about retribution.

01:12:38.000 We don't talk about reformation.

01:12:39.000 And the retribution talk is fine.

01:12:41.000 We're in a season where we need to be powerful and walk with a big stick.

01:12:44.000 But we need reformation more than retribution.

01:12:46.000 That needs to happen because four years from now, we will have a different presidency.

01:12:49.000 Two years from now, we have midterms.

01:12:51.000 We need to reform these things, not just throw them away.

01:12:54.000 Trump needs to come in quickly and in a very heavy fashion.

01:13:00.000 Clean up all of our institutions, begin deportations, and we need investigations from the DOJ to go after these states like Arizona and Maricopa County particularly to figure out what's going on with their ballot machines screwing up.

01:13:13.000 If this is done properly and we clean up these systems, we could be good for the rest of our lives.

01:13:19.000 What did we just see?

01:13:20.000 Was it in California where they had it on video now where they were counting the stacks three times in a row?

01:13:24.000 I think George broke this on a...

01:13:27.000 The problem with that is understanding what it means to see someone run papers through a machine three times is not so simple.

01:13:33.000 So people who want to...

01:13:35.000 People like the liberals just say, so what, the machine was kicking them back in error and they had to run them through again because it wasn't working?

01:13:40.000 That's the only response.

01:13:42.000 It doesn't provide any real debate talking point for anybody other than those who are already believing that that is fraudulent.

01:13:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:49.000 Sure.

01:13:50.000 So there's that video where they're...

01:13:52.000 Pulling out boxes of ballots and then opening and running them through.

01:13:55.000 And if you watch the full video, you can see them putting the votes there.

01:13:59.000 So the full video was them getting ballots from people and then putting them in boxes and closing the boxes and then sliding them into the table.

01:14:05.000 And then several hours later, they bring them out to be counted.

01:14:07.000 After they kicked everyone else out and told them we couldn't deserve them.

01:14:10.000 No, no, no.

01:14:11.000 This was actually...

01:14:12.000 So there's a video where...

01:14:13.000 I think some of these things may be intentionally planted to disrupt those who are challenging...

01:14:18.000 I saw the totes coming in earlier in the day.

01:14:20.000 I saw them going on the table.

01:14:21.000 This is the video you're talking about.

01:14:23.000 There's more than one.

01:14:24.000 One is they collect ballots on a table.

01:14:27.000 They're brought in and put in boxes.

01:14:29.000 Then they close the boxes, take them off and slide them under the table, and then start collecting more.

01:14:33.000 If you watch the whole video raw, they later then open the boxes and run the votes through the machine.

01:14:38.000 I think some of these stories are planted on purpose to discredit those who are challenging the election.

01:14:42.000 Because what happens is the out-of-context portion is shared.

01:14:46.000 Whoever found that in the first place knew what the full context was. 1.00

01:14:49.000 So maybe it's an idiot. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Or maybe it's intentional. 1.00

01:14:52.000 Why?

01:14:52.000 All of Trump's supporters then share a video easily debunked 10 minutes later by the corporate press who says, see, they lied about everything.

01:14:58.000 And that poisons the well.

01:15:00.000 So when you come out and say Pennsylvania had no constitutional authority in issuing mail-in votes, they go, your conspiracies are fake.

01:15:06.000 We debunked them all already, remember?

01:15:08.000 Remember that video where you claimed this thing?

01:15:11.000 So that's why I think that too with like the DNC emails that got released where it said stuff like there was a map left in the kitchen.

01:15:20.000 Who did it belong to?

01:15:21.000 And then people are like, what does that mean?

01:15:23.000 It was a map on a handkerchief.

01:15:24.000 And then everyone starts speculating, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it turns into, there's a pizza place in D.C., and children are in the basement, which is easily debunked because there's no basement, when the real story was probably...

01:15:36.000 Democrats were doing drugs, and the code words they were using was for drugs.

01:15:40.000 So you get all of the internet reading leaked emails, leading them down the path of Democrats are doing illegal drugs in D.C., which seems to make the most sense.

01:15:48.000 How do you stop them from properly investigating?

01:15:51.000 Introduce a crackpot theory which drives them away from the real story and towards some random pizza place that's easily debunked, and then everyone dropped the investigation.

01:16:00.000 I think the bottom line is it needs to be investigated.

01:16:02.000 There's way too many issues with the 2020 election.

01:16:05.000 It needs to be thoroughly investigated.

01:16:06.000 Absolutely.

01:16:07.000 100%, right?

01:16:08.000 It's not...

01:16:08.000 You know, there might be some stuff here that is debunked, some stuff that's true that's not, but it absolutely warrants an investigation.

01:16:13.000 The way that liberals try to red it off is, you guys are just some crazy MAGA conspiracy theorists.

01:16:17.000 The election wasn't rigged. 0.86

01:16:18.000 We know it.

01:16:19.000 Everything ends up getting thrown at the wall, and then you can't pick up anything that's real.

01:16:25.000 So, for example, Fox News started running stories about Dominion that eventually ended up being false, and they had to pay out some $100 million defamation suits.

01:16:34.000 And then you have Dinesh D'Souza, who comes out with Thousand Mules, and then many years later has to come out with an apology saying that, like, oh, yeah, my data didn't actually prove anything that I was alleging in the film.

01:16:43.000 And it just muddies all the water because it's like, yeah, now we're looking for stuff and it's all really made up BS.

01:16:48.000 Let's jump to this story.

01:16:49.000 For some credibility.

01:16:50.000 Speaking of defamation, from the post-millennial, CNN found liable for defaming Navy veteran in Jake Tepper segment $5 million awarded.

01:16:59.000 This is a sad story, man.

01:17:00.000 I feel bad for this guy.

01:17:02.000 Listen to this.

01:17:03.000 Young was working to evacuate Afghans during the Biden administration's chaotic military withdrawal.

01:17:08.000 In 2021, Tapper misrepresented Young and his work, and Young stated he hasn't been able to work since.

01:17:13.000 Check this out.

01:17:14.000 They say, according to the Free Beacon, Young alleged that a segment aired in November 2021, which aired in November of 2021 on the lead, singled him out and portrayed him as an illegal profiteer who operated in a black market.

01:17:27.000 Young, who said the segment irreparably destroyed his business, Nemex Enterprises and Reputation, worked to evacuate Afghans during the Biden-Harris administration's deadly and chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

01:17:37.000 He testified that since that segment ran, he hasn't worked or made money.

01:17:41.000 During closing arguments, CNN attorney David Axelrod, that's interesting, claimed that the story was accurate and tough but fair and that Young should have gone out of his way to convince journalists with the outlet that he wasn't shady.

01:17:56.000 Mr. Young put himself in the story, not CNN.

01:17:58.000 He inserted himself into it to make a buck, Axelrod told the jury, adding, "Use your common sense.

01:18:05.000 Do you see a conspiracy or do you see people just doing their best?" So ultimately, CNN lost this.

01:18:10.000 This is huge.

01:18:11.000 They're going to say, I don't know if there's any more to add to this.

01:18:15.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:18:16.000 They've got to pay $5 million.

01:18:17.000 I can't believe they actually tried to continually argue after the fact instead of settling when they defamed a guy and destroyed his life and business.

01:18:24.000 Isn't that $5 million?

01:18:25.000 Doesn't that qualify as a nuisance settlement to them?

01:18:28.000 Yes.

01:18:29.000 Uh, no.

01:18:30.000 $5 million?

01:18:30.000 No way.

01:18:31.000 $5 million is CNN? Well, I mean, it's interesting because, uh...

01:18:35.000 CNN's...

01:18:35.000 I don't think they're doing so hot.

01:18:37.000 Right?

01:18:37.000 Their ratings are in the gutter.

01:18:38.000 What do they get, like...

01:18:39.000 50,000, 40,000 in a key demo?

01:18:42.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 Hell, you guys might get more views than them probably.

01:18:44.000 We have more watching at any one moment than they get in their entire primetime lineup, which is crazy.

01:18:49.000 So they're probably hurting for this.

01:18:52.000 It's pretty wild that they tried taking this all the way, and I'm wondering if there's going to be precedent set from this in any way, but I feel bad for this guy.

01:18:58.000 Could you imagine being like a veteran who's trying to evacuate people because Biden screwed up?

01:19:02.000 I wonder if the real reason CNN defamed him is because CNN was trying to run cover for the Biden administration and their botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.

01:19:09.000 I mean, it wouldn't surprise me.

01:19:11.000 It was a botched withdrawal.

01:19:14.000 I'm sorry.

01:19:15.000 I have to apologize for that.

01:19:17.000 It wasn't botched.

01:19:18.000 Joe Biden did exactly what he intended to do.

01:19:21.000 You can't accidentally abandon Bagram Air Force Base.

01:19:24.000 It's just not possible.

01:19:27.000 They took the combat forces out before they took the civilians and the other logistics people out. 0.99

01:19:33.000 That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 0.98

01:19:35.000 I can't believe that that was okayed. 0.99

01:19:37.000 So, I mean...

01:19:38.000 So what do you guys think happens in the, you know, Babylon Bee had that joke that they were shutting down.

01:19:43.000 What happens going into the Trump administration?

01:19:46.000 One of two worlds.

01:19:49.000 Trump won the popular vote.

01:19:51.000 People tune out and say, do your thing, whatever, don't care.

01:19:55.000 Political content becomes unpopular because people are just tired of it and they're bored.

01:20:01.000 Trump begins mass deportations, investigations, arrests.

01:20:04.000 Democrats start panicking.

01:20:05.000 Far leftists lose their minds and start firebombing.

01:20:08.000 And then everyone's whole world is entrenched in political conflict.

01:20:11.000 It's immediately going to be the deportations are going to occur and then it will immediately be illegal immigrant season. 0.56

01:20:17.000 That's what all the protests will be based on.

01:20:19.000 It will be they're putting kids back in cages almost immediately out of the gate is what I suspect happening.

01:20:25.000 I want deportations. 0.99

01:20:26.000 Well, they already said no mass deportations.

01:20:27.000 Holman has come out and said that.

01:20:29.000 It's going to be cutting all the aliens.

01:20:30.000 Well, that's how they're going to start it.

01:20:32.000 It's been the status quo always.

01:20:33.000 I want deportations that are going to piss off the left immensely. 0.87

01:20:36.000 I want deportations that are going to make the left lose their mind.

01:20:42.000 15, 20 million?

01:20:43.000 It means criminal aliens, right? 0.99

01:20:44.000 So I can speak about this, right?

01:20:46.000 So there's something called the CAP, Criminal Alien Program, that ICE, ERO, Immigration Councils Enforcement Removal Operations, where...

01:20:53.000 You know, the field office in these major cities all over the United States, they basically only go after convicted felons or aliens that have been convicted of what's, like, misdemeanors or crimes of mortal interpitude, or two of them.

01:21:05.000 So that's what they're going to focus on.

01:21:07.000 So people that are just illegally here, they're not going to go after it. 0.98

01:21:09.000 What are the loose numbers on that?

01:21:10.000 Do you know?

01:21:11.000 Like, are we talking tens of thousands of people in that grouping, or hundreds of thousands?

01:21:16.000 It depends on where it's located.

01:21:17.000 So, like, in New York City, obviously, they're going to have more targets than in other places.

01:21:22.000 Mark?

01:21:22.000 But then the other...

01:21:23.000 The issue is sanctuary cities, right?

01:21:24.000 So some cities don't play ball with ICE. ICE will go ahead and say, hey, look, we're putting a detainer on this individual.

01:21:30.000 You need to hold the body for us to come.

01:21:32.000 And then SFPD, San Francisco PD, Austin Police Department, whatever, these blue cities, they won't hold the body.

01:21:38.000 They'll just let them go.

01:21:39.000 Look, Marco Rubio was on with Kristen Welker today, and he was talking about we need to deport 10 millions of people.

01:21:45.000 He's going to be the Secretary of State, and he's coming out and saying...

01:21:51.000 Yeah, but no, Immigration Authority.

01:21:52.000 No, he's not.

01:21:53.000 But the point is, if a representative of the government, like the incoming Secretary of State, is saying those kind of things, there is an appetite for it.

01:22:02.000 And also, I reiterate, there is like 70% of the American people that have said they want deportations.

01:22:09.000 They probably say, you know...

01:22:12.000 Homan's probably saying, you know, we're going to start this way and stuff.

01:22:14.000 But there is an appetite.

01:22:16.000 The American people want to see mass deportations.

01:22:19.000 Yeah, but they're pulling it back.

01:22:20.000 Like, they were campaigning on mass deportations.

01:22:22.000 Now it's criminal aliens. 0.88

01:22:24.000 Like, they've kind of pulled back on it as the issue.

01:22:25.000 Trust me, I'm for it.

01:22:27.000 I don't even want H-1B visas.

01:22:28.000 Pretty far right when it comes to immigration. 0.88

01:22:30.000 Like, I don't even want the H-1B visas. 1.00

01:22:31.000 I got my verification taken on Twitter for talking about this.

01:22:35.000 But, yeah, I mean, there's a whole...

01:22:37.000 I can talk about how we have not just an immigration problem with illegal immigration, but we also have a problem with illegal migration.

01:22:43.000 The H-1B visa, the F-1 visa, the B-1B-2 visa.

01:22:46.000 All these visas are absolutely abused by foreign nationals coming to the United States and exploits our immigration system. 1.00

01:22:54.000 But, Myron, Americans are too lazy, and their work ethic means that we should... 1.00

01:22:58.000 Yeah, Vivek is stupid for saying that. 1.00

01:23:00.000 Wait, did Vivek actually say that? 1.00

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 He basically made this whole long tweet saying, Americans are lazy and we're more focused on the prom queen versus the nerds.

01:23:11.000 It's like, no, bro.

01:23:12.000 No, that's not what it is.

01:23:13.000 The issue is this.

01:23:15.000 We have a issue with H-1B visas where we just let these people come in because it's cheap labor and we've not reeled it in and we've not reeled in F-1 visas.

01:23:23.000 People literally come here on like, oh, I'm going to learn Spanish and I'm going to go to a language school in America.

01:23:28.000 They enroll in the school, they show up, they fly in, and then they never go to school.

01:23:32.000 And then they're in the country illegally. 0.66

01:23:33.000 And that's how a lot of people actually come to the United States is they come in legally and then they overstay or never leave.

01:23:38.000 And then another thing too, which I talked about extensively, is like the visa waiver program.

01:23:42.000 A lot of people come here.

01:23:44.000 From first world countries and overstay. 1.00

01:23:45.000 Canada, I'll show you.

01:23:46.000 England, etc.

01:23:47.000 Because we have way more opportunities here than these other places.

01:23:50.000 So they come in legally, right?

01:23:51.000 Because they don't need a visa.

01:23:52.000 And then they overstay as well.

01:23:53.000 Like Miami is overrun with Canadians and people from... 1.00

01:23:56.000 Western Europe just wanting to get a job, right?

01:23:59.000 J-1 visas also exploited all the time.

01:24:00.000 So we have a massive immigration problem where not only are we getting destroyed in the southwest border, which I could talk about that, but we're also getting destroyed when it comes to the exploitation of our visa system as well.

01:24:10.000 It's a huge problem. 0.94

01:24:10.000 And for Veck and Elon to just write it off as like, oh, well, the Americans are lazy. 0.94

01:24:15.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:24:15.000 You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to immigration at all. 1.00

01:24:17.000 And that's the problem when we have these individuals come in, right, that don't know anything about Title VIII. They don't know anything about immigration.

01:24:22.000 They don't know what's going on in the border.

01:24:23.000 They don't understand how our visas are getting exploited.

01:24:26.000 They don't know, and they're trying to talk as if they do know, and they don't.

01:24:31.000 I mean, I don't think there's a lot of disagreement around this.

01:24:33.000 Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

01:24:34.000 Not with you guys, of course.

01:24:35.000 I mean, you guys get it, but, like, I had to, like, you know, we get our verification taken on Twitter for exposing this, and it's like, Vivek and Elon simply don't know.

01:24:43.000 Yeah, but you know, that story is not entirely accurate.

01:24:46.000 Which one?

01:24:47.000 The verification removal thing.

01:24:49.000 So I would say...

01:24:50.000 It was like 10 of us that got it taken away for questioning the H-1B stuff.

01:24:53.000 So the first thing is it's hard to know exactly if it was H-1B. The one thing I can say is that when it was OG Conservative got their gold checkmark removed, it removed everyone underneath them.

01:25:06.000 Do you know why they got their thing removed?

01:25:09.000 Well, I know people...

01:25:10.000 You were posting photos of Indian people calling them...

01:25:12.000 Slurs and... 1.00

01:25:13.000 So, I'm not saying it was okay to remove their badges, but the issue was Elon citing hate...

01:25:19.000 Like, Elon didn't personally do this, but it was likely X saying hate speech.

01:25:24.000 Elon then went on later to say...

01:25:25.000 Actually, I don't know if it was Elon, but someone from X was pointing out that a lot of the accounts that did get suspended that were smaller bot accounts were sharing images of children that were inappropriate.

01:25:35.000 Yeah, well, they got their badge back, but what I find interesting is everyone that was critical of the H-1B visa...

01:25:42.000 Pretty much lost their verification.

01:25:44.000 Like, everybody, pretty much.

01:25:46.000 Did they get them back?

01:25:47.000 No, no.

01:25:48.000 I still don't have mine back.

01:25:49.000 Laura got hers back, but everybody else, pretty much.

01:25:54.000 And you weren't part of any organizations you had personally bought?

01:25:57.000 Yeah, so I had my own organization.

01:25:59.000 They took it from my organization, and then I got it again.

01:26:03.000 The organization, they took it again.

01:26:05.000 Wow.

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 You know what's interesting, though, is I also noticed that a lot of the groups that got their verifications removed have an overlap with constantly talking about Jews.

01:26:13.000 Yes.

01:26:14.000 Be a group of Israel or H-1B visas, you're done. 1.00

01:26:17.000 I'm surprised you didn't believe the verification.

01:26:19.000 But hold on.

01:26:19.000 No, no, no, no.

01:26:20.000 Not Israel. 0.99

01:26:20.000 Dave Smith didn't get his verification removed. 0.99

01:26:22.000 And Dave Smith was anti-H1B and critical of Israel.

01:26:25.000 It was specifically the Jews. 0.76

01:26:27.000 That's one thing that happens.

01:26:28.000 We were talking about this the other night.

01:26:29.000 It's a hate speech violation.

01:26:31.000 That's what got it removed.

01:26:32.000 People talk about the freedom of speech and stuff on X, and they're critical of Elon, and Elon banning people.

01:26:38.000 I'm not for it.

01:26:39.000 I don't endorse it.

01:26:40.000 But the fact of the matter is, if you are delicate with the way that you talk about these issues, they're not going to ban you.

01:26:47.000 Well, then that's not freedom of speech, and that's directly why people have issues with Elon.

01:26:51.000 That's fine.

01:26:51.000 No, listen, hold on.

01:26:52.000 There's debate there.

01:26:53.000 The important part is that you are able...

01:26:57.000 The important... 0.99

01:26:57.000 Part of freedom of speech is the ability to exchange ideas, not the ability to fling shit. 0.99

01:27:03.000 If you're saying, oh, I don't have the freedom of speech unless I can insult whoever I want, however I want, you're going to...

01:27:11.000 Well, I mean, you can disagree, but the point is it's the way that these platforms are going to look at it.

01:27:18.000 The issue here is this.

01:27:20.000 First of all, free speech is the right to insult and be offensive.

01:27:23.000 In fact, it is the only speech that needs to be protected.

01:27:25.000 The issue, however...

01:27:27.000 What?

01:27:28.000 No.

01:27:29.000 Quite literally.

01:27:30.000 No, listen.

01:27:32.000 No, the important thing about freedom of speech is saying controversial ideas.

01:27:37.000 You can approach saying controversial ideas in a delicate way.

01:27:41.000 It's not important to be able to say kike or jew and insult people like that.

01:27:46.000 That's free speech.

01:27:47.000 I might not like it, but I would defend your right to say it.

01:27:50.000 I'm not saying that it's not free speech, but you're talking about the way platforms are going to approach it.

01:27:57.000 The important thing about having the freedom of speech is the ability to exchange ideas.

01:28:02.000 It's not important.

01:28:04.000 If you're like, I can't insult people the way that I want, it's not right.

01:28:08.000 It doesn't matter.

01:28:10.000 I got to address this.

01:28:12.000 First of all, I will stress it again.

01:28:14.000 The idea that someone would determine your speech to be offensive...

01:28:18.000 And then ban you for it, quite literally, is anti-free speech, regardless of how you express yourself.

01:28:23.000 More importantly, Elon Musk isn't violating the free speech of individuals by taking away premium.

01:28:29.000 Elon made the point.

01:28:30.000 He said, some people think freedom of speech means I have to pay them for it.

01:28:35.000 It does not.

01:28:37.000 Okay, can I push back on that?

01:28:39.000 Yeah, so my thing is this, right?

01:28:41.000 If you're going to say freedom of speech, that also means freedom of reach, and that also means monetization to a degree.

01:28:47.000 Now, let me explain why.

01:28:48.000 No way.

01:28:48.000 Okay, so here's the thing.

01:28:51.000 If I'm in a jail cell and I say, oh, I have freedom of speech and I am talking to a wall, that technically I have the freedom of speech, but I don't have the freedom of reach, so it doesn't matter, right?

01:28:58.000 Freedom of speech only matters if you have the freedom of reach.

01:29:01.000 You mentioned the marketplace of ideas.

01:29:02.000 To get to the marketplace of ideas, I must reach the marketplace of ideas so that my ideas can even be heard.

01:29:07.000 No one has an obligation to advertise you.

01:29:09.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:29:11.000 When we're talking about premium, you pay for that.

01:29:12.000 And then also he took away the subscribers, which is the creator dealing directly with their subscribers.

01:29:17.000 I'm totally fine with that.

01:29:18.000 Yeah, with taking away the subscribers too?

01:29:20.000 Yep.

01:29:21.000 Okay, so let me just...

01:29:21.000 I have said since...

01:29:23.000 Let me just finish my stance, right?

01:29:25.000 So my thing is this.

01:29:26.000 If you're going to go ahead and say this is a free speech app, right?

01:29:30.000 And then you're going to turn back and say, oh, well, that doesn't mean freedom of speech, freedom of reach, or modernization, blah, blah, blah.

01:29:35.000 That is censorship.

01:29:37.000 Because if you take away someone's ability to earn or someone's ability to reach, you are directly censoring them and their ability to reach the marketplace.

01:29:46.000 And the other thing too, also...

01:29:47.000 What do you mean communist?

01:29:48.000 It's communism.

01:29:49.000 I have a right to your services.

01:29:51.000 Nah, nice try.

01:29:52.000 But he's marketing as a free speech app.

01:29:53.000 That's the issue.

01:29:54.000 If you're going to market as a free speech app, and he uses the First Amendment to validify his stance with it being free speech.

01:30:00.000 And his speech is protected under the First Amendment under a million different case laws.

01:30:04.000 So my thing is, if you're going to use the First Amendment as the basis and say that it is the bedrock of a democracy, then you need to stand by that.

01:30:12.000 And that means that you are not going to sit there and, oh, well, I don't believe in censorship.

01:30:16.000 But then you demonetize people.

01:30:17.000 I would argue demonetizing someone is one of the best ways to censor because now that creates...

01:30:21.000 It's a chilling effect with everyone else where I can't say what he's saying.

01:30:24.000 I can't even say what I want to say.

01:30:25.000 So I'm going to chill out and not face your face.

01:30:27.000 You have no right to someone else's services.

01:30:29.000 When the first adpocalypse happened on YouTube and they started demonetizing...

01:30:32.000 That's YouTube.

01:30:33.000 They're not a free speech app.

01:30:34.000 And they started censoring people.

01:30:35.000 I said, and I maintain this position, so long as you are allowed to post the content, people can subscribe to it and they will receive your content.

01:30:44.000 That's the extent of free speech on the platform.

01:30:46.000 The idea that X should allow you to be boosted, To reach new people or receive money from it, those are services they provide you, they have no obligation to, and that's outside of free speech.

01:30:57.000 Well, they just put that rule in recently.

01:31:00.000 They literally didn't have that in terms of service.

01:31:02.000 They literally just put that in a couple of days ago.

01:31:04.000 Elon has no obligation to have you use a payment processing service.

01:31:08.000 Tim, you've made the point that not...

01:31:10.000 He marketed it as a free speech app.

01:31:11.000 He used the First Amendment as the basis.

01:31:14.000 Should pornographers have freedom of reach on Twitter? 0.89

01:31:16.000 That's the thing.

01:31:17.000 You've made the point that total free speech is not the way that any app...

01:31:20.000 Your free speech is limited to pornographers, is what you're saying.

01:31:24.000 Pornography is a whole other...

01:31:25.000 They're talking over you.

01:31:28.000 Pornography is not the same at all when we're talking about political discourse or having...

01:31:32.000 It's freedom of speech except for pornographers.

01:31:35.000 So you're not a free speech absolutist.

01:31:36.000 Pornography should not exist at all.

01:31:37.000 It should be banned.

01:31:37.000 I mean, I don't disagree with you, but picking and choosing what's your freedom of speech is what I'm saying.

01:31:41.000 No, pornography is not speech.

01:31:42.000 We have already had this discussion about there is no universal principle.

01:31:45.000 There is no free speech absolutism.

01:31:47.000 It doesn't exist.

01:31:49.000 But here's the thing.

01:31:50.000 Yeah, so there shouldn't be freedom of reach on Twitter for everybody.

01:31:53.000 Pornography is not the same whatsoever.

01:31:55.000 Okay, so what else should there not be freedom of reach on for Twitter?

01:31:58.000 So it shouldn't be for pornographers.

01:31:59.000 All speech should be allowed outside of obviously like non-insidating violence.

01:32:03.000 I think it should align with the first amendment.

01:32:05.000 Guys, guys, guys, here's the thing.

01:32:08.000 Elon Musk framed Twitter saying, I believe in the First Amendment and it's the bedrock of a democracy.

01:32:14.000 If you're going to say that, stand by it.

01:32:16.000 That means freedom of speech, hate speech, etc.

01:32:19.000 It's all protected.

01:32:20.000 And this has been shown a million times in different case law.

01:32:22.000 That's my thing.

01:32:23.000 So for him to say, well, I'm going to take premium away because you don't agree with me on H1B, etc. 1.00

01:32:27.000 When other people do the same shit. 1.00

01:32:29.000 Okay, bro. 0.99

01:32:30.000 You know that misgendering is banned on X. What?

01:32:34.000 Misgendering is not allowed on X. What do you mean by misgendering?

01:32:36.000 Like calling someone like a T-word?

01:32:38.000 No, no, no.

01:32:39.000 Misgendering.

01:32:39.000 Calling somebody who says that their pronoun is she, you can't say he.

01:32:44.000 Elon did this.

01:32:45.000 I complained about it.

01:32:47.000 It's a big story.

01:32:48.000 X has maintained their hate speech policies the entire time.

01:32:52.000 It never got rid of them.

01:32:54.000 We can criticize it.

01:32:55.000 They selectively enforce it.

01:32:56.000 They always have.

01:32:58.000 They selectively enforce it.

01:32:59.000 So the inversion now is it was the government colluding with the former heads of Twitter to selectively enforce it in one way.

01:33:06.000 Elon alleviated a bunch of that tensions but still has some people censored and some people still lose access to some services.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, but we're missing...

01:33:17.000 So my point is literally, when you say he marketed it a certain way, I'll say, bro, since he took it over, he refused to reinstate Alex Jones for like a year after he took it over, saying, nope, don't care, he said something I don't like.

01:33:31.000 That's problematic.

01:33:32.000 Never changed!

01:33:34.000 So by all means, criticize it and say we should change it.

01:33:37.000 Because now if you disagree with him or you go against...

01:33:40.000 I mean, he took a blue check from Osmogol for saying he got boosted on a video game.

01:33:42.000 That's problematic.

01:33:43.000 This guy's drunk with power.

01:33:44.000 Like, let's just call a spade a spade.

01:33:46.000 We disagreed with him on H-1B visa.

01:33:48.000 Yeah, he exposed the DMs and he took his blue check away.

01:33:50.000 So, like, this is problematic because he comes in saying, I believe in free speech.

01:33:54.000 The Don Lemon interview goes viral everywhere.

01:33:57.000 I believe it's the bedrock of democracy.

01:33:59.000 Frames it against the First Amendment.

01:34:00.000 Well, stand on that, dude.

01:34:01.000 Because you can't sit there and say, I'm going to demonetize people, take their subscribers, and take their premium away.

01:34:06.000 Why does that mean free speech grants you access to someone's labor?

01:34:09.000 What do you mean?

01:34:11.000 Free speech grants, what do you mean by someone's labor?

01:34:14.000 X builds a service.

01:34:16.000 Yes.

01:34:16.000 On top of that service are other things you can have.

01:34:20.000 Yep.

01:34:20.000 Okay.

01:34:21.000 Why should you get access to the labor of the company?

01:34:24.000 Because he marketed it that saying it's a free speech app.

01:34:26.000 So you're saying I'm holding Elon to his word.

01:34:28.000 So a business in this country can never sever a relationship with a client.

01:34:32.000 Well, my thing is if you're going to market as a free speech app and then you are going to censor people for the free speech that you promote, that's a problem.

01:34:38.000 But they're not silencing your free speech.

01:34:40.000 They're taking away a payment processing service.

01:34:42.000 And they're also taking away your reach because the verification absolutely affects your ability to reach.

01:34:46.000 Your ability to speak is not advertising for you.

01:34:49.000 Why do you think a network should be forced to do something for you?

01:34:53.000 You want free speech?

01:34:54.000 Go stand in a street corner in downtown Chicago.

01:34:56.000 You can say whatever you want.

01:34:58.000 Why should anyone be forced to amplify your message for your speech?

01:35:02.000 Well, it's not about being forced.

01:35:03.000 It's about you pay for the service and then he says it's free speech and it's not free speech.

01:35:07.000 He lied.

01:35:07.000 So that's why he's getting a lot of issues with this.

01:35:10.000 We're going to try this again.

01:35:11.000 Look, if you're going to market as a free speech app, Tim, you have to stand on it.

01:35:14.000 No, no, no.

01:35:14.000 Bro, you're misunderstanding.

01:35:16.000 You are not banned, right?

01:35:18.000 No.

01:35:18.000 So he marketed a platform for free speech and you are still allowed to speak.

01:35:22.000 Yes.

01:35:22.000 He offered you a premium service that allows you to make money on the platform.

01:35:25.000 Which directly affects your reach.

01:35:27.000 Which affects your free speech.

01:35:29.000 It does affect your speech because it affects your reach.

01:35:31.000 No, no, no.

01:35:31.000 Freedom of speech is contingent upon reach, Tim.

01:35:34.000 That's where me and you disagree.

01:35:35.000 No.

01:35:36.000 Absolutely not.

01:35:37.000 No one has to advertise you and promote you to other people for you to have free speech.

01:35:41.000 Freedom of reach means...

01:35:43.000 You are only saying that because you are being negatively impacted by a private action of a private company.

01:35:48.000 That advertises freedom of speech.

01:35:50.000 They allow you to keep speaking.

01:35:51.000 They've not censored your speech?

01:35:52.000 They have.

01:35:53.000 No, they have not.

01:35:54.000 Yes, they have.

01:35:55.000 What words of yours have they done?

01:35:56.000 I get posts taken all the time, visibility limited, because of...

01:36:00.000 For hate speech.

01:36:01.000 So in the confines of Elon's moral code, what is misaligned with the rules that have always been placed?

01:36:08.000 That's problematic because he interprets what's hate speech now.

01:36:10.000 Okay, you're conflating two different things.

01:36:12.000 If we're talking about Elon taking over a company and marketing a service with hate speech rules that we all disagree with, you knew what you were buying when you bought it.

01:36:20.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:36:21.000 Again, it's selective enforcement.

01:36:23.000 And Twitter was and X is.

01:36:25.000 And it's supposed to be free speech and that's where the issue lies where, look, if you're going to market this as a free speech app, that means hate speech as well.

01:36:32.000 And then again, like I said before, freedom of speech only matters if you have freedom of reach.

01:36:36.000 Are you aware that Elon has never unbanned some accounts?

01:36:40.000 Yes.

01:36:41.000 So you knew when you bought the service, Elon was selectively enforcing the censorship policies?

01:36:46.000 It depends.

01:36:47.000 In what regard do you mean?

01:36:49.000 You say Elon advertised the service.

01:36:52.000 That was for free speech.

01:36:53.000 But you knew he was selectively enforcing the rules.

01:36:55.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:36:56.000 Those people were banned before he even came into power.

01:36:58.000 And he never unbanned them.

01:36:58.000 And he outright said explicitly, I will not unban some of these people.

01:37:02.000 And he unbanned them.

01:37:02.000 So he goes back, he unbanned Alex Jones, he unbanned a couple of people, he unbanned Nick Fuentes, etc.

01:37:06.000 Sure.

01:37:07.000 And there's still a lot of accounts that have never been unbanned.

01:37:10.000 Like, I don't know who they are, but I mean...

01:37:12.000 They exist.

01:37:14.000 Like, I mean, look, my argument is simply this.

01:37:18.000 If you're going to come in and say...

01:37:20.000 The free speech app and model it after the First Amendment like he did.

01:37:23.000 Stand on it.

01:37:24.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:37:25.000 And taking away people's premium and penalizing them for saying hate speech is antithetical to freedom of speech.

01:37:32.000 So the issue at play right now is...

01:37:35.000 And we can agree to disagree, Tim.

01:37:36.000 It's fine.

01:37:37.000 I believe...

01:37:39.000 You are arguing you are deserving of a service that a private company is selling because you want to be advertised and you are arguing First Amendment protections or at least principles, free speech principles, because you want promotion.

01:37:53.000 No.

01:37:53.000 I'm arguing free speech principles that they advertise and said that is our app.

01:37:58.000 Doesn't matter.

01:37:58.000 Free speech never said you get advertising.

01:38:00.000 End of story.

01:38:01.000 No.

01:38:03.000 This is where me and you can agree to disagree and that's fine.

01:38:06.000 I think that's communism.

01:38:09.000 But I think by censoring people's reach, that is antithetical to freedom of speech by limiting someone's reach.

01:38:17.000 It's antithetical.

01:38:18.000 Because speech has no need if it can't reach people.

01:38:21.000 If I can't reach the marketplace of ideas, what's the point?

01:38:24.000 So when you go out in the middle of the street in Chicago and you start yelling, what reach do you have?

01:38:31.000 Well, the people there can hear me, right?

01:38:33.000 To a degree.

01:38:34.000 But what I'm saying is that, again, if you're going to market it as a free speech app...

01:38:38.000 Should you be legally allowed to use an amplifier?

01:38:41.000 Should you be legally...

01:38:43.000 What?

01:38:43.000 Should you be legally allowed to use an amplifier for your speech?

01:38:46.000 Well, I think if that platform is going to advertise and say, we believe in free speech and use the First Amendment, then it needs to stand by it.

01:38:53.000 That's my thing.

01:38:54.000 I'm simply just holding Elon to his word.

01:38:57.000 That's all I'm doing.

01:38:58.000 And it's been problematic.

01:38:59.000 I think you're personally aggrieved and you want something from a private company.

01:39:02.000 I mean, it's not me even having a personal issue with it.

01:39:06.000 I don't care because Twitter isn't my main thing.

01:39:08.000 But what I'm saying is that it's extremely hypocritical to say, this is a free speech app, model it after the First Amendment, and then go back on that and then take people's checks away for disagreeing with you on H-1B visas.

01:39:18.000 That's what he did.

01:39:19.000 We don't disagree on selective enforcement.

01:39:20.000 Yep.

01:39:21.000 Where we disagree is that you think he should be promoting you.

01:39:24.000 No.

01:39:24.000 I think he should be allowing everyone to have a fair seat at the table and have their voice heard.

01:39:30.000 Everybody.

01:39:30.000 How have you lost reach?

01:39:33.000 When you lose verification, your ability to be seen drops off precipitously.

01:39:37.000 This is a fact that he's even said this with premium.

01:39:41.000 There's a paid service.

01:39:42.000 So you believe that...

01:39:44.000 Your words should be presented in a feed for other people algorithmically to discover.

01:39:51.000 No, I think the best ideas should be able to be discovered and let the people decide, but it's not even reaching as my point.

01:39:57.000 So can people still follow you?

01:39:59.000 But if you're shadow banned or you're...

01:40:01.000 They can go to your account and they can see what you're posting, right?

01:40:03.000 Yeah, but you're shadow banned.

01:40:04.000 You can't discover it.

01:40:06.000 It doesn't come up on a feed.

01:40:08.000 Not having premium doesn't shadow ban you.

01:40:10.000 It absolutely limits your ability.

01:40:12.000 It deprioritizes you, which is shadow banning.

01:40:14.000 And it hurts your ability to be seen.

01:40:15.000 Shadow banning is when you are removed from the space entirely without your knowledge.

01:40:19.000 That's why it's a ban.

01:40:21.000 Again, it's harder for people to find you.

01:40:23.000 Your tweets don't post up on the news feed as usual for you.

01:40:27.000 So that is all censorship.

01:40:28.000 That is all censorship, Tim.

01:40:29.000 I mean, you might disagree with me, but that is all censorship.

01:40:33.000 And I'm against all censorship.

01:40:34.000 It's mind-blowing that there's an argument.

01:40:35.000 I mean, well, I'll throw it to you guys because we can take it away from us.

01:40:39.000 Sure, sure.

01:40:40.000 Do you guys believe that...

01:40:41.000 We can agree to disagree, Tim.

01:40:42.000 It's fine.

01:40:42.000 But, like, yeah.

01:40:43.000 Lectern guy.

01:40:44.000 Adam, should platforms be required to offer you some degree of promotion in your content?

01:40:50.000 I think if you pay for it, I think you enter a contract, right?

01:40:55.000 Paying for services, you should provide services.

01:40:57.000 At any point I can end that contract.

01:40:59.000 It's Elon's house.

01:41:01.000 Right?

01:41:01.000 If I invited you to my house and, you know, come hang out, say what you want, and you're being rude to my guests or whatever, I'm going to ask you to leave.

01:41:07.000 At the end of the day, it's my house.

01:41:08.000 You have free speech.

01:41:09.000 You can say what you want, but there are consequences sometimes for saying the things you say.

01:41:12.000 So is it completely free speech?

01:41:13.000 I don't think so.

01:41:14.000 I think you can be deplatformed.

01:41:16.000 I think you can be demonetized as things happen, but it's still more free than anywhere else, and it is his house.

01:41:22.000 Rumble's more free, by far.

01:41:24.000 Sure.

01:41:24.000 Rumble, absolutely.

01:41:25.000 Rumble beats X to every degree when it comes to freedom of speech.

01:41:29.000 Rumble's pretty crazy.

01:41:30.000 They're just like, do your thing.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, like, Rumble, there's no censorship at all, pretty much.

01:41:34.000 Rumble's the 4chan in video.

01:41:36.000 Rumble, that's why, and that's my issue.

01:41:38.000 No, 4chan has rules.

01:41:39.000 Like, me and Chris Pavlosky, we disagree on so many different things politically, but, like, he will always fight for my right to say it, and that's why I have an enormous amount of respect for him.

01:41:48.000 Versus with Elon, I'm like, no, the H-1B is a problem, X, Y, Z. Verification gone.

01:41:52.000 And that's my problem.

01:41:53.000 What do you guys think?

01:41:54.000 Drunk with power.

01:41:55.000 I still think that at the end of the day, because it's...

01:41:58.000 I think that it's the way that you say things.

01:42:02.000 I think just like you were saying, Tim, there is some level of...

01:42:08.000 Regulation for everybody when it comes to freedom of speech.

01:42:11.000 You have a problem with porn.

01:42:12.000 You don't consider that freedom of speech.

01:42:14.000 Some people say that insults are bad or hate speech.

01:42:18.000 I don't agree that hate speech violates the freedom of speech, but I do understand that on a platform like X, as long as you can articulate arguments, I think that they have a very broad...

01:42:33.000 Approach to the freedom of speech.

01:42:34.000 You can't insult people.

01:42:35.000 You can't, you know, use certain words or whatever.

01:42:39.000 I think that it's actually about pattern of behavior is what actually gets you banned.

01:42:43.000 Because people like Scott Horton, people like Dave Smith, they make all sorts of arguments against Israel.

01:42:50.000 Like, all the time.

01:42:51.000 They're constantly critical of Israel.

01:42:53.000 And they're not in jeopardy of getting banned because of the way they approach the subject.

01:42:58.000 David Duke is still banned.

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:01.000 Is he?

01:43:01.000 I thought he was back.

01:43:02.000 So I will say this to the Super Chatters.

01:43:05.000 Falsely conflating my position on free speech and trying to apply that to banks is intentionally misconstruing what I'm saying.

01:43:15.000 When YouTube started censoring people, there was a question of whether or not you should be recommended or put in the partner program.

01:43:22.000 And my position has always been, if they have a monopoly on this platform and they ban you and remove your ability to post videos, That censorship.

01:43:34.000 That is a violation of the principle of free speech.

01:43:37.000 It's a public forum.

01:43:38.000 We all want to come here.

01:43:39.000 However, YouTube also operates an ad sales agency.

01:43:42.000 But if an advertiser says, we refuse to, like Colgate Toothpaste says, we don't want to be associated with this guy's content.

01:43:48.000 You have no right to that advertiser putting an ad on your video.

01:43:53.000 How does that make sense?

01:43:55.000 So the question always becomes about scale.

01:43:58.000 If there's a single company that controls everything, Then the government steps in and enshrines the rights of the individual in every capacity.

01:44:05.000 If we're dealing with a platform that is not monopolistic, then they do not.

01:44:10.000 Scale matters.

01:44:10.000 So for a bank, for instance, Visa and MasterCard having a complete monopoly on the system, they forego rights as a private business and now must act as a public.

01:44:20.000 It's like a privately owned public entity, essentially.

01:44:23.000 So you can't disable someone's right to use a bank when you are the only bank or the only payment processor.

01:44:30.000 Free speech is not the same thing as being required to promote somebody.

01:44:34.000 That's my position.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, I see your position.

01:44:38.000 You're saying, look, you can say what you want to say, but Twitter doesn't have a right to promote you, which that's fine.

01:44:43.000 You don't have a right to Twitter boosting you.

01:44:45.000 Fair.

01:44:46.000 It's the same thing about shadow banning.

01:44:47.000 Yeah, but that's precisely what I'm saying is that...

01:44:50.000 By them not allowing you to engage in a service that you pay for or by you saying things that they don't like, they are censoring you and that's my issue.

01:44:59.000 It is censorship.

01:45:00.000 Demonetization, shadow banning, limiting visibility, that is all forms of censorship and it's a slippery slope that leads to problems.

01:45:08.000 That's why even with your rhetoric saying like, hey look, you got to phrase things a certain way.

01:45:12.000 I have an issue even with that.

01:45:13.000 I think people need to be able to say what they want to say, however they want to say it.

01:45:16.000 it not necessarily because I want to say it but because we need to be able to make sure that the freedom of speech stays and this is how they take away your rights.

01:45:24.000 They start with well you know maybe just say it in a better way.

01:45:26.000 Well you know what maybe not talk about this topic maybe not that and the next thing you know bam your rights are gone and that's my issue with hate speech.

01:45:32.000 We need to protect hate speech.

01:45:33.000 Yes and I agree with people on your Twitter.

01:45:36.000 They're not telling you you can't talk about a topic.

01:45:38.000 Not really.

01:45:39.000 Very really.

01:45:40.000 I've always.

01:45:42.000 That people who want to use slurs and say the nastiest, most vile things, like the post from Conservative OG about that Indian guy and they called him some pretty nasty things and mocked his genetics, I'm in favor of them having the right to say that because then I can see it and I know who they are and I say I won't associate with them.

01:45:59.000 Good.

01:45:59.000 And I agree with you.

01:46:00.000 Like, they need to be able to see it and I think they need to be able to have the reach too because here's the thing.

01:46:03.000 If we want to go ahead and have the marketplace of ideas for real and let the best ideas come out there, everyone needs to be able to reach the marketplace.

01:46:10.000 When you censor people or you demonetize them or whatever, you're inadvertently creating censorship.

01:46:14.000 I know you're saying, well, you don't have a right to earn.

01:46:16.000 That's fine, but what you're doing when you do that, when you demonetize someone, is you're effectively using them as the scapegoat.

01:46:22.000 Like, look, if you talk like this guy, you are going to lose your monetization.

01:46:25.000 I would say most people off that are going to start self-censoring.

01:46:27.000 You keep saying marketplace of ideas, but the ideas are not...

01:46:32.000 Are not censored.

01:46:33.000 Like I said, people...

01:46:35.000 They can't reach the marketplace of ideas is the point.

01:46:37.000 They can't reach it.

01:46:37.000 Listen, the anti-war guys, Scott Horton and Dave Smith, they do not have the same kind of limits placed on their stuff, and they are as critical of Israel as anyone else.

01:46:50.000 So it's not about the ideas, it's about the delivery.

01:46:52.000 Well, if we're going to police delivery, that's problematic.

01:46:55.000 That's not the marketplace of ideas, though.

01:46:57.000 The problem is the advertisers.

01:47:00.000 When you are on premium and advertisements appear in your content and the advertisers say, I refuse to pay for this, what is the solution?

01:47:07.000 Well, when it comes to advertisers, let's be very...

01:47:10.000 I mean, we could talk about advertisers and how that really works. 0.98

01:47:12.000 The problem with advertisers is advertisers really don't give a shit about where their ads run. 0.98

01:47:18.000 They only care about making money. 0.97

01:47:20.000 They only care when the ADL... Media Matters, SPLC, and these left-wing watchdog groups come in and say, are you aware of the fact that your ads are running on XYZ person's content?

01:47:28.000 Then they lobby the platforms, right?

01:47:31.000 And then they go ahead and pull the advertising.

01:47:32.000 Those are the large functions, but there's also just regular leftists who run sock puppet accounts and send like 50 emails to Coke, you know?

01:47:39.000 Yeah, sure.

01:47:40.000 But who really gets their ear?

01:47:41.000 Who really gets their ear?

01:47:42.000 Jonathan Greenblatt, Media Matters, etc.

01:47:44.000 That is how censorship works in America.

01:47:49.000 The company gets scared.

01:47:52.000 They think they're going to get a PR hit.

01:47:53.000 And so they say, then they go to X or they go to YouTube and they say, what is this all about and why are we getting emailed like this?

01:47:59.000 This scares us.

01:48:00.000 And then the platform says, what are you going to do?

01:48:03.000 The advertiser says, we're not going to spend money so long as we're getting this level of PR negativity.

01:48:07.000 And that's problematic.

01:48:08.000 Again, that's why I didn't make the argument for YouTube or these other platforms.

01:48:11.000 The only reason I'm harping on this with X is because Elon came in saying this is a free speech app.

01:48:16.000 I believe in it.

01:48:17.000 It's the bedrock of a democracy and utilize the First Amendment to substantiate his claim.

01:48:20.000 If you're going to do that, that means you need to protect the hate speech.

01:48:23.000 That means that it doesn't matter how people say things.

01:48:25.000 And I see what you're saying.

01:48:26.000 You're saying Scott Horton and Dave Smith say things in an eloquent manner when it comes to Israel.

01:48:29.000 Well, guess what?

01:48:29.000 There's people out there that are critical of Jewish power as well, and that's what gets censored.

01:48:34.000 They don't talk about just the geopolitical angle.

01:48:36.000 They talk about the cultural stuff, whatever, which I won't get into on YouTube.

01:48:38.000 But the point I'm trying to make is that all that speech needs to be able to come in.

01:48:41.000 The way it's said or the tonality and all that, that doesn't matter.

01:48:45.000 It all needs to come in. 1.00

01:48:46.000 And then we can assess and be like, this guy's an idiot. 1.00

01:48:48.000 This guy's good. 1.00

01:48:48.000 This guy's smart. 1.00

01:48:49.000 But if it doesn't come in, that's the problem.

01:48:51.000 I think it all needs to come in.

01:48:52.000 I have no problem.

01:48:53.000 Completely agree.

01:48:54.000 Once we police tonality, that's where the problems arise. 0.60

01:48:56.000 I like it when someone is arguing something and then they're miserably crass, crude, nasty.

01:49:02.000 And then I'm like, They're hurting their own argument.

01:49:05.000 They're making themselves and their followers look really bad by doing this.

01:49:09.000 So if there's someone who has an idea that you don't like...

01:49:12.000 I largely believe that there was a big op pertaining to H-1B, and I think we talked about it before the show or whatever.

01:49:19.000 But the issue was that there were anti-H-1B accounts.

01:49:22.000 So these are people who don't want immigrant workers that were posting vile racist and graphic images.

01:49:30.000 I don't believe that was real anti-H1B activists.

01:49:33.000 Because why would someone who's like, I have criticism of immigration, start posting insanely racist things to hurt their own argument?

01:49:40.000 Yeah.

01:49:41.000 I mean, look, again, I don't have to, because people say all the time, Myron, you align with white supremacists or white nationalists.

01:49:48.000 It's not that I align with them.

01:49:50.000 It's that I'm a free speech absolutist.

01:49:51.000 And though they say deplorable things about me, too, about my Muslim background, my skin color.

01:49:55.000 You don't want, wait, wait, you don't want.

01:49:57.000 Hold on.

01:49:58.000 The thing is this.

01:49:59.000 Though I don't agree with them, I will fight tooth and nail for their ability to say what they say because I understand that they're on the front lines of freedom of speech.

01:50:07.000 If they take their speech away, I'm next.

01:50:09.000 So I need to fight for their ability to say it, regardless of whether I like it or not.

01:50:11.000 I am truly a free speech absolutist.

01:50:13.000 I don't believe you're a principle, but you're free speech absolutist at all.

01:50:16.000 It doesn't count.

01:50:19.000 You're not a free speech absolutist.

01:50:20.000 It doesn't exist.

01:50:22.000 Do you think people should advocate, direct for, and explain how to commit violence against other people?

01:50:27.000 Look, if we're going to talk about violence and hurting people, I mean, we've got to use a little bit of reason.

01:50:33.000 That's the point that we're making.

01:50:35.000 Yeah, but inciting violence and saying we need to go do X, Y, Z to people.

01:50:39.000 That's different.

01:50:39.000 You're saying porn, too.

01:50:41.000 Pornography.

01:50:41.000 You're straight up saying that does not count as free speech.

01:50:44.000 Not at all.

01:50:45.000 And that is just your perspective.

01:50:47.000 Porn does not count as free speech whatsoever.

01:50:49.000 It is degenerative entertainment.

01:50:50.000 Let's pause real quick.

01:50:52.000 Do you think it's...

01:50:53.000 Phil, you think it is free speech?

01:50:54.000 I do.

01:50:55.000 I'm not advocating for it.

01:50:57.000 Let's just stop.

01:50:57.000 The two of you are the only people voting.

01:51:00.000 Vote on whether or not you believe that free speech includes porn.

01:51:03.000 What's your vote?

01:51:04.000 No?

01:51:05.000 What's your vote?

01:51:05.000 Yes?

01:51:06.000 How do you rectify the problem?

01:51:09.000 Okay, you can make the argument that porn can be shot without any speech at all.

01:51:12.000 No, no, no.

01:51:12.000 I'm saying like...

01:51:13.000 It's literally not speech, man.

01:51:15.000 It's not speech.

01:51:16.000 In your country, Phil is protesting you for violating free speech rights, and you're saying, but I'm not.

01:51:23.000 Clearly there is a disagreement.

01:51:25.000 What if you're writing pornographic stories, right?

01:51:28.000 It's a story, it's literature, and it's vulgar as you possibly can get, and it's pornographic, but it's not pictures.

01:51:37.000 Like books?

01:51:37.000 Yeah.

01:51:38.000 Well, I think that's a bit different.

01:51:40.000 What about Playboy?

01:51:42.000 I mean, the point is...

01:51:44.000 Stop, stop.

01:51:44.000 Let him rock the playboy.

01:51:45.000 We're getting into a slippery slope here.

01:51:47.000 I know.

01:51:47.000 That's the whole point of this, though.

01:51:48.000 Like, again, but again...

01:51:49.000 And same with calls to violence.

01:51:50.000 I'm talking...

01:51:51.000 I don't think you're principled in your free speech absolutism is the issue here.

01:51:54.000 I think you're agreed.

01:51:55.000 No, it's within reason.

01:51:56.000 We have to be reasonable here.

01:51:58.000 Like...

01:51:59.000 Oh yeah, I'm a free speech absolutist, which means I allow people to talk about, you know, violent rhetoric.

01:52:04.000 Most people who call themselves free speech absolutists do believe in free reach of calls for violence.

01:52:08.000 No, they don't.

01:52:09.000 No, they don't.

01:52:10.000 Free speech absolutism.

01:52:12.000 No, they do not.

01:52:12.000 Free speech absolutists, none of them advocate for violence.

01:52:16.000 None of them advocate for violence.

01:52:18.000 They advocate for them being allowed to use that speech.

01:52:23.000 Is what a free speech absolutist would say.

01:52:25.000 Not that they would call for it themselves.

01:52:26.000 This is a fact question and you're wrong.

01:52:28.000 We've had debates with free speech absolutists anarchists.

01:52:31.000 I've had them on my show.

01:52:32.000 They don't believe in violence.

01:52:34.000 I never said it but believing in violence.

01:52:36.000 Free speech absolutists believe you can speak because speaking is not action.

01:52:40.000 And you should be allowed to say whatever you want even if it's encouraging violent crime or directing it because you didn't actually do anything.

01:52:46.000 That's why I'm not an absolutist.

01:52:47.000 I actually think censorship is good.

01:52:49.000 The issue is...

01:52:52.000 That's for me and you disagree.

01:52:53.000 You are completely wrong.

01:52:53.000 Do you think that books with adult content for sex ed should be given to children?

01:52:58.000 No.

01:52:58.000 That's censorship.

01:52:59.000 Censorship?

01:53:00.000 Censorship doesn't reason.

01:53:02.000 I mean, like, see, the thing is that...

01:53:04.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:53:05.000 See, I'm assuming...

01:53:05.000 So now you agree with me.

01:53:06.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:53:07.000 We all have common sense in here where I don't have to go ahead and delineate specific instances where...

01:53:12.000 Where free speech doesn't apply.

01:53:14.000 Because I would think that we all have the common sense here.

01:53:16.000 We're talking about political speech.

01:53:17.000 We're talking about ideas, the marketplace, non-pornography, showing images to kids.

01:53:22.000 Come on, guys.

01:53:22.000 And this would be incorrect for several reasons.

01:53:24.000 So Ian Crosland on the show was a censor for Minds.com.

01:53:28.000 What did he censor?

01:53:30.000 Censor literally means choosing whether to show or not show something.

01:53:33.000 It comes from the word census, going back to ancient Rome.

01:53:35.000 What was Ian doing as a censor on Mines?

01:53:38.000 Most of the stuff that was being censored was graphic gore, child abuse, and things like that.

01:53:43.000 He, on Mines, would see something and say, people are not allowed to see this.

01:53:48.000 Delete.

01:53:49.000 Remove.

01:53:50.000 So when I had the debate with Emma Vigeland for Majority Report, I said adults should not bring books with graphic adult images into grade schools.

01:53:58.000 She said that's censorship.

01:53:59.000 I said, you're damn right it is, and I am for it.

01:54:01.000 So the issue is, my moral line says, I agree with you, porn I do not respect as free speech.

01:54:07.000 I am not a free speech absolutist.

01:54:09.000 I recognize that some people want the right to show graphic images in public.

01:54:12.000 I reject that outright.

01:54:14.000 Free speech to me...

01:54:16.000 Can be broad, but largely refers to explaining ideas in how governance should work and what should or should not be.

01:54:23.000 So showing two dudes or two ladies or a guy and a dude in public, I don't consider that within the confines of free speech, and I'd be willing to bet it.

01:54:30.000 And I would say most sensible people wouldn't, which is why I didn't feel the need to delineate that for you guys, because we're talking about politics and ideas and culture.

01:54:36.000 If you went to the Founding Fathers and said, do you believe free speech includes showing images of adults engaging in adult activities in public, they'd be like, heavens no, we'll arrest you for this.

01:54:46.000 I don't think political ideas and the function of society and governance is benefited by displaying images of adult content.

01:55:08.000 That conveys no structure, no political opinion.

01:55:11.000 I don't agree with that.

01:55:14.000 That's why I'm not a free speech absolutist.

01:55:16.000 I believe free speech extends to political ideas, cultural ideas, and explaining how we think things should be or should work.

01:55:23.000 So, if you want to go in public and argue, you have a right to display pornography, that's free speech.

01:55:28.000 If you want to actually hold up pictures of it, I disagree.

01:55:31.000 That's obscene and lewd, and I don't think it should be allowed.

01:55:33.000 Yeah, well, again, I didn't think I would need to, you know...

01:55:37.000 Talk about that explicitly because we're on a political podcast.

01:55:40.000 We all have common sense here.

01:55:41.000 I don't need to go ahead and talk about, oh, yeah, well, pornography doesn't count or violence.

01:55:45.000 Like, I think we're all sensible here to understand, like, we're talking about political talk, culture, etc.

01:55:49.000 I didn't need to go there.

01:55:50.000 But if you guys really want to go there and say, well, technically, that's no free speech, absolutely, because whatever.

01:55:54.000 I'm trying to stay on topic here.

01:55:55.000 My point is, is that if we're using the word wrong, Myron, using free speech, absolutist wrong.

01:56:01.000 So go to the LP, right?

01:56:03.000 Uh-huh.

01:56:03.000 Go to their convention, and you will- Within reason.

01:56:06.000 And there will be a sex- Free speech, absolutism, within reason, since we need to add this caveat.

01:56:10.000 No, no, no, hold on, hold on.

01:56:11.000 Absolute means, to the extreme end, there's nothing.

01:56:14.000 It's as far as you can go.

01:56:16.000 As far as you can go is that I can say literally anything at any point without consequence.

01:56:21.000 That's absolutism.

01:56:22.000 And these people exist, and we've debated them on the show, we've argued with them, and they've literally stated.

01:56:29.000 Advocating for, directing, and explaining how to commit violence is not the action itself.

01:56:33.000 People can say whatever they want.

01:56:34.000 I disagree.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, no, that's crazy.

01:56:36.000 And again, I typically frame it by the First Amendment.

01:56:40.000 Again, that's my big thing is the First Amendment.

01:56:42.000 Obviously, inciting violence or going into that realm is illegal.

01:56:45.000 Peacefully.

01:56:46.000 So, yeah.

01:56:47.000 There is a challenge there.

01:56:48.000 What?

01:56:49.000 Because what the left has been trying to do is argue that emotional damage is violence.

01:56:55.000 And so that's why...

01:56:57.000 Under the First Amendment, hate speech can be banned because actions that can induce harm, such as incitement to violence, we agree aren't free speech.

01:57:07.000 Ergo, speech that causes emotional trauma or other deleterious effects or negative effects on a person is harmful.

01:57:14.000 Violence, we can ban it.

01:57:16.000 That's the argument they're making.

01:57:17.000 Of course, but there's a million cases where hate speech is protected under the First Amendment, even in situations where there have been riots.

01:57:25.000 I got to try and read some Super Chats.

01:57:27.000 I apologize.

01:57:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:29.000 No worries.

01:57:30.000 We've gone so far.

01:57:31.000 The definition of free speech, that's fine.

01:57:32.000 But my point is, simply put, if Elon's going to come in and say First Amendment, free speech, he's a standby.

01:57:38.000 That's my stance.

01:57:39.000 All right.

01:57:39.000 Darren Gaming says, this is the start of Russia hoax 2.0.

01:57:42.000 Biden decrees equal rights, which we have.

01:57:45.000 Trump admins as he can't do that via order.

01:57:47.000 Media says Trump hates equal rights and uses this for four years.

01:57:50.000 I think so.

01:57:51.000 Yes.

01:57:53.000 I'm just going to get asked the question.

01:57:54.000 And he's going to say that's not legitimate, and they're going to say Trump thinks women shouldn't have rights. 1.00

01:57:58.000 Yes.

01:57:59.000 Well, the issue is the left will read the arguments he didn't saying and saying, well, no, Biden said it's a thing, so it's a thing.

01:58:05.000 They don't care if it's legal or if it's right.

01:58:07.000 Biden said it.

01:58:08.000 He's their emperor, and they're going to believe it.

01:58:10.000 But it's honestly, I blame the people for this.

01:58:13.000 Both sides want an emperor.

01:58:14.000 We actually don't want Congress to do things because they don't really do things.

01:58:17.000 Both sides want an emperor right now.

01:58:20.000 All right, just because I'm free, he says, TikTok conservatives were upset and wanted to ban it.

01:58:25.000 Then the culture started shifting conservative.

01:58:28.000 TikTok then started showing more conservative posts than Dems want to ban it.

01:58:32.000 They tried to play both sides and got burned.

01:58:35.000 Interestingly, have you ever noticed that some of the most prominent, actually, I think the most of the most prominent Trump supporters are banned on TikTok?

01:58:44.000 Yeah, I have.

01:58:45.000 Yeah, conservatives are banned on TikTok all the time.

01:58:48.000 You're always banned when you try to open the TimCast accounts on TikTok as well?

01:58:51.000 TimCast, so when Trump said he wanted to ban it, we were on TikTok, TimCast and TimCast IRL, and we agreed, and then they arbitrarily, with no rule violations, banned us with no recourse.

01:59:04.000 But banned, like, five times.

01:59:05.000 Like, I've had, like, ten plus accounts, like, yeah.

01:59:08.000 So the accounts, the pro-trip accounts that are allowed to be on are people who are typically not as prominent.

01:59:15.000 And the most prominent individuals, many of them, are outright banned for seemingly no reason.

01:59:19.000 I think TikTok's aim was to pony up to Trump in some way without giving any power to individual Trump supporters, whereas on X, you've got people who literally have a random avatar, all of a sudden have 2 million followers and make a living, and then end up turning into a real person and being like, wow, I didn't realize I'd get so popular and prominent on this platform.

01:59:40.000 But they make a name for themselves.

01:59:42.000 TikTok bans you.

01:59:43.000 Yeah, I mean, anything conservative or right-wing on most of the social media platforms gets banned.

01:59:48.000 Whether it's YouTube, right, or, you know, Instagram meta, yeah.

01:59:54.000 TikTok seems to be one of the worst offenders in that.

01:59:56.000 Yes, yes. 1.00

01:59:57.000 I mean, they all suck. 0.99

01:59:58.000 I mean, YouTube is maybe, I hope it gets better, but, like, yeah, I mean, we know all the biggest conservative creators on YouTube get censored, right? 0.99

02:00:05.000 Like, to a degree.

02:00:06.000 Like it's wild.

02:00:07.000 Oh yeah.

02:00:08.000 Polly Pura says, Tim is right.

02:00:09.000 A small minority makes all the noise and don't represent the majority.

02:00:12.000 Trump's reelection is evidence of that.

02:00:14.000 It's true.

02:00:16.000 Because people, like, they were surprised that it was a clean sweep by the end of the day.

02:00:20.000 Like, even we didn't believe Trump would be declared the winner that quickly.

02:00:24.000 No.

02:00:24.000 It was all of the swing states.

02:00:26.000 All of the swing states.

02:00:27.000 Yeah, we had prepared.

02:00:28.000 Like, Kyle Kalinske thought that Trump was going to lose Iowa.

02:00:31.000 We had prepared to do election coverage for a week straight.

02:00:36.000 And then it was just done and we were like, what do we do?

02:00:40.000 Alright!

02:00:41.000 I guess it's just back to normal.

02:00:43.000 Yeah.

02:00:45.000 We'll try and grab a couple more.

02:00:47.000 I think alternative media was huge.

02:00:50.000 Absolutely.

02:00:51.000 With Rumble and X. And I give Elon credit for that, right?

02:00:54.000 I do give him his flowers when it's deserved, but yeah.

02:00:56.000 I mean, Rumble and X were huge.

02:00:59.000 KDM says, Tim's reaction to Jewish criticism is telling.

02:01:02.000 Ah, the unfalsifiable claim.

02:01:05.000 If you at all disagree with me, it proves that I'm right. 0.98

02:01:08.000 Yep.

02:01:09.000 What is that called?

02:01:09.000 There's a term for that.

02:01:12.000 I forgot what it is.

02:01:13.000 Retarded?

02:01:14.000 No, no, no.

02:01:16.000 There's a term for it in debate.

02:01:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:01:20.000 I forgot what it is.

02:01:21.000 It's like, if your reaction is in any way disagreeing with me, it proves that I was right the whole time.

02:01:27.000 If you live in that world, man, you gotta take a, you gotta take a step back.

02:01:32.000 Rossi Shackelford says, is that lectern guy or the lead singer of Taking Back Sunday?

02:01:36.000 Yeah, I love that band.

02:01:37.000 I will take that compliment.

02:01:38.000 It's a good band.

02:01:39.000 We do members for your people, right?

02:01:41.000 What's up?

02:01:41.000 We're gonna do members for- No, no, no, not on Fridays.

02:01:42.000 No, but we are, um, uh, I don't know why I never stopped, but we're launching The Green Room.

02:01:49.000 ASAP. So the Green Room should be a show where we would record with the guests hanging out in the Green Room and have double the members-only content.

02:01:55.000 And then for some reason, it just stopped existing.

02:01:58.000 I don't know why.

02:01:59.000 And then I was talking to my team today.

02:02:00.000 I was like, how did this just stop getting done?

02:02:02.000 And everyone shrugged.

02:02:03.000 And I was like, are you kidding me?

02:02:05.000 I mean, look.

02:02:07.000 Green Room ones?

02:02:08.000 Yeah.

02:02:08.000 That was the best stuff.

02:02:10.000 And then I was just like, this is the problem.

02:02:12.000 Guys, I got to tell you, it's hard to run a company.

02:02:14.000 I'm producing a morning show, a nightly show, I gotta deal with taxes, paperwork, contracts, and then we're supposed to have a, like, yo, when people just stop doing their jobs, and nobody tells you, and the manager doesn't tell you, and then one day I'm like, oh, what was the, like, I'm going through the site, like, we gotta get this stuff arranged, because I'm negotiating with these companies, and it's like, oh, we haven't done a green room in, like, six months, and I was like, huh?

02:02:38.000 Dude.

02:02:39.000 If you want, I'm doing right now, tonight, after this, for your people.

02:02:42.000 Well, it's before.

02:02:43.000 Oh, well, I mean, we could do an after.

02:02:45.000 I don't know.

02:02:46.000 A members-only green room?

02:02:48.000 I'm down if you're down.

02:02:49.000 It's cool.

02:02:49.000 Because I know they probably want to listen more to, you know, the stuff.

02:02:53.000 The stuff, the debates.

02:02:55.000 Yeah, so.

02:02:56.000 Well, let's see.

02:02:57.000 I mean, I don't know if we're prepared right now because nobody's here.

02:03:01.000 No.

02:03:02.000 Right.

02:03:02.000 Maybe.

02:03:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:03.000 But I will say, let's have you come back ASAP. Sure.

02:03:08.000 I'll go full on and we can have discussions.

02:03:09.000 I'm saying like really soon, like maybe even next week or something, whenever you have time.

02:03:13.000 And then we'll do a green room thing.

02:03:15.000 We'll get people to hang out and Elad can come.

02:03:18.000 I'm looking forward to our part two.

02:03:19.000 Yeah, sure.

02:03:20.000 We have a box of mozzos in there. 1.00

02:03:22.000 I think this is a beautiful thing, right?

02:03:23.000 We can sit here and agree and disagree on certain things and that's totally fine.

02:03:26.000 And I think that these are more conversations that need to be had like this, right?

02:03:29.000 I mean, we disagree on some things, like maybe Israel, whatever it may be, and that's totally cool. 0.59

02:03:32.000 And I think it's great to have these discussions.

02:03:35.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 Well, we'll wrap it up here.

02:03:36.000 I do apologize for not getting as much Super Chats because when we go along, we do go along, and that's my fault.

02:03:41.000 So I do apologize for that.

02:03:42.000 But my friends, if you want to support us, you can become a member at TimCast.com, and we're going to reignite that Green Room show, which I actually thought was the better of the shows.

02:03:51.000 That's why I was pissed when I found out they weren't making it.

02:03:53.000 We'll do it.

02:03:53.000 I'll go full unhinged for your people.

02:03:55.000 Unhinged as we can get. 0.99

02:03:56.000 I'll go unhinged on there for you.

02:03:57.000 What we would do is we would just have the camera crew film the guests coming in.

02:04:00.000 Sure.

02:04:00.000 And you get to see behind the scenes and just a rough conversation.

02:04:04.000 And so what happened was we had Daniel Negrano on a couple days ago, and I'm a huge fan.

02:04:08.000 He's one of the best poker players in the world.

02:04:10.000 And so he was telling us these amazing stories as we were getting ready for the show.

02:04:13.000 And then I'm like, where's the camera?

02:04:14.000 And then I'm like, what's going on?

02:04:16.000 And they were like, oh, we don't do that anymore.

02:04:17.000 And I was like, what?

02:04:19.000 I was like, we're sitting here with this amazing dude telling us this great story.

02:04:23.000 And then I was like, I totally lost track of this stuff.

02:04:26.000 So anyway, my friends.

02:04:27.000 We are going to ramp things up.

02:04:28.000 We're going to get it back going.

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02:04:33.000 Myron, do you want to shout anything out?

02:04:34.000 Yeah, guys, check me out Fresh and Fit on YouTube and then also MyronGainesX where I do my political commentary Monday through Friday at 5 p.m.

02:04:40.000 Don't interlap with you guys.

02:04:42.000 No, man, happy to be here and we'll make something great next week or whatever.

02:04:46.000 I'm always happy to come here and we can have these discussions and disagreements.

02:04:49.000 I think it's great.

02:04:50.000 Absolutely, dude.

02:04:50.000 I appreciate it.

02:04:51.000 Absolutely, dude.

02:04:52.000 I'll be at the Supreme Court tomorrow at noon if you want to come hang out.

02:04:55.000 We had planned a Capitol tour, but Trump took over the Capitol.

02:04:59.000 Very inconsiderate, very rude.

02:05:00.000 Oh, okay.

02:05:01.000 I'm worried about the protesters because we're planning on being down for the inauguration, but we have no choice but to get a bunch of security.

02:05:07.000 So I'd say I'd join you, but I don't know if I can.

02:05:10.000 That's okay.

02:05:11.000 We'll see.

02:05:12.000 I'll be down there.

02:05:13.000 I'll be down there.

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