On this week's episode of Pop Culture Crisis, host Mary Morgan and co-hosts Hannah-Claire Brimelow ( ) and Mary Morgan ( ) discuss the latest in the 2020 Democratic primary race, including Joe Biden's 14-second challenge to Donald Trump and the controversy surrounding the Chief's kicker. Plus, the FBI warns that ISIS may be targeting Pride events, and a new show about the pettier the case, the better.
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00:05:28.000You have 60 seconds to lay out your opinion on this.
00:05:33.000That's already ridiculous, but if they actually cut the mic at that point, you know, and both these guys... And who's cutting it, right?
00:05:39.000Like, is it the moderator who hits the button, or is it a sound guy in the back?
00:05:41.000And also, neither one of these guys are known for being succinct to begin with, so they're not going to be able to get even one thought out before I mean, to be fair, Trump might get one thought out, but have 50 he wants to get in in 60 seconds.
00:05:54.000Biden will mutter gibberish, and we won't know if they're thoughts at all, but he'll say something.
00:05:59.000I had a professor when I went to SMU, his name's Ben Voth, and he did this study.
00:06:02.000He would time all of the presidential debates, and his big takeaway was that Democratic candidates, they speak for longer, they're interrupted less often by the moderator, they generally have the advantage, except Republicans speak more quickly.
00:06:21.000And I think this is interesting because, you know, one of the things that Trump basically could do when he was debating Hillary was, like, muscle his way through and be like, I'm just going to keep talking.
00:06:30.000Like, it is very difficult for a moderator to keep him in check.
00:06:32.000The only way you could really keep him from getting his side comments, his you'd be in jail, is by cutting his mic.
00:06:48.000And just have them talk about it with each other like normal people.
00:06:51.000Well, the time limits on these debates used to be much longer, am I wrong?
00:06:55.000In decades past, people just had longer attention spans, and they would just go for like 10 minutes on one topic, and people would really pay attention and care.
00:07:04.000And this is just for the memes, at least for me.
00:07:07.000Yeah, now it's like the soundbite generation, and we're getting more and more into that.
00:07:10.000You have one minute, and then once your minute's up, they cut your mic?
00:07:15.000Usually what you see is that time expires, and you get a little bit of leeway to finish your thought before they say, okay, we're moving on.
00:07:22.000But they usually just say, okay, we're moving on.
00:07:30.000You know, typically there are three presidential debates and Biden only offered two.
00:07:34.000I mean, this is him hoping that Trump won't be able to make it.
00:07:38.000He is kind of admitting that he is too fatigued to get through the traditional three.
00:07:42.000I think Trump would've been like, OK, let's do three debates if you'd given him the option.
00:07:46.000Yeah, I think the debate so clearly favors Trump that it shows you that the Biden team is desperate and they know they're in a lot of trouble and they need to pull something out of their hat.
00:07:56.000And the interesting question is strategically for Trump, like there's two ways you could go about this.
00:08:03.000Okay, Trump, just go in there and be as normal as possible and just be normal and don't make the debate about you at all, because that was a mistake he made in 2020.
00:08:12.000But there's another approach, given the fact that Biden is half dead, which is try to fluster him, actually go after him hard and try to fluster him.
00:08:22.000Trump tried that in 2020, didn't really work.
00:08:25.000Maybe this time around, I don't know, it might be more successful.
00:08:27.000Do you really think it was a mistake to make it about himself instead of the ideas?
00:08:32.000Because I think that is actually what got people to vote for him in 2016.
00:08:36.000Well, 2016 is one thing, but 2020, I think it's generally accepted.
00:08:40.000Generally accepted things aren't always true, but in this case, I think it is true that the debates did not serve Trump well in 2020.
00:08:48.000Um, because he just came off a little bit to it.
00:08:51.000The story became Oh, look, Trump is being belligerent.
00:09:00.000I think the strategy for Trump will should be to say things about Biden.
00:09:06.000And this is probably typical debate strategy, but say things that are are Hyperbolic exaggerations of things that Biden did, forcing him to target his dignity in a way that flusters him and makes him desperate to defend himself, which would then make Biden talk more about himself instead of plans for the future.
00:09:27.000I think one of the things that Trump was dealing with in 2020, because I agree, Matt, is that he was, the way the media was going after him, the way he had been weighted down for his entire term with Russiagate, all of his attacks on his person, false accusations, media smears and lies.
00:09:41.000Instead of hearing about what his plans for the future were going to be, it was very personal.
00:09:46.000If Trump can direct that energy at Biden in the same way, then people are going to be like, this guy's got no plan.
00:09:54.000If Trump can get Joe Biden in a position where he needs time to explain himself, we will get a Trinidad and Shabbat of pressure out of him.
00:10:02.000And if Biden, Trinidad and Shabbat of pressures during the debate, he's done.
00:11:01.000The only gear he has where he's sort of on, and he's making sense, is what we saw in the State of the Union, which is when he's angry and he's shouting.
00:11:09.000Like, he can still be angry and shouting, which will make the debate more interesting, because obviously they don't want the gear of him mumbling, so they're going to tell him, like, we need the shouting, angry Biden, because it's the only version of Biden that makes a little bit of sense.
00:12:22.000It would be hilarious to watch him handle it.
00:12:24.000Trump should demand a drug test, but only for uppers.
00:12:29.000I don't care if you're taking anything that chills you out, but no uppers.
00:12:32.000I think they should both just be zinned out of their minds.
00:12:36.000The one thing I do agree with, though, is no RFK.
00:12:38.000And I know it's going to piss off a lot of the RFK people.
00:12:41.000I personally would like to see a third party candidate, an independent, the libertarian candidate, The thing about RFK specifically is that if you want to argue the polling threshold doesn't make sense because it creates a gate.
00:13:23.000So if the argument is, look, RFK Jr., we get it, you're polling at 10% in aggregate.
00:13:28.000But even if you win this debate, you are not even on the ballot in the majority of states.
00:13:35.000The likelihood of you winning is ridiculously low.
00:13:38.000He's on in four states, California, Utah, Michigan, and Hawaii, and then he has five other states where he has, or six other states where he's met the thresholds for signature, but we don't know for sure if he's on the ballot.
00:14:00.000I would have been more upset about this as, you know, several months ago, but I think recently RFK, he's not going to win, as you point out.
00:14:08.000And he's also presented, he's made it clear that he's not much of a, of an alternative anyway.
00:14:12.000He's kind of just Democrat lights and some of the stuff he said recently about abortion and the gender stuff.
00:14:17.000It's like, you know, it's, he's the, He's basically just Biden, you know, but he's actually able to speak.
00:15:40.000Independent presidential candidate RFK once again reversed his stance, once again, on limits for abortion access at a social media post Friday evening, prompted by criticism from within his own campaign.
00:15:51.000During an interview with podcaster Sage Steele, Kennedy Wednesday said he opposed any government restrictions on abortion, even if it's full term.
00:15:59.000But after facing pressure from his campaign staff, Kennedy walked back his previous statement, taking to social media to write that abortion should be legal up to a certain number of weeks and restricted thereafter.
00:16:09.000The Independent Longshot said he now supports abortion up until the point of fetal viability and that he had changed his mind because he was willing to listen.
00:16:18.000I can respect to a certain degree the person who says, wow, I was really wrong about that.
00:16:24.000I don't believe RFK right now really thinks he was wrong about it.
00:16:29.000I don't think a sane person holds the position that a woman should be able to have a full-term abortion.
00:16:37.000I'm like, even if we all agree the health of the mother in extreme circumstances, whatever those circumstances may be, we expect there to be some kind of oversight for these processes.
00:17:11.000What I'm saying is, RFK's position is effectively, literally, for any reason the woman decides, we'll just trust her on it.
00:17:20.000What I'm saying is, even in the case where a woman is dying, and they're like, ma'am, we have to terminate this pregnancy, I'm sorry, but the baby and you are both dying, and we're going to try and intervene, I believe most pro-lifers wouldn't call that an abortion.
00:17:31.000That's medical intervention to save the life of the mother, which may result in the death of the baby, right?
00:18:23.000I would absolutely disagree with killing the baby and then delivering the baby, especially in the circumstances you're talking about, which are extremely rare.
00:18:31.000And a woman might be in a position where, look, this pregnancy needs to end or you're going to die.
00:18:37.000Well, then, okay, you can end the pregnancy by delivering the child.
00:18:54.000So I guess my point was, Typically, when it comes to the issue of abortion, people say, for the life of the mother, that's the exception, right?
00:19:03.000And I think the clarification I'm trying to make is, because I've had this debate with Seamus, abortion typically refers to terminating a pregnancy in a way that ends the life of the baby.
00:19:11.000And the argument is, if you have to terminate a pregnancy, why not just try to save the baby?
00:19:15.000Well, I guess my point was RFK was saying, doesn't matter.
00:19:18.000Like a woman could literally be at nine months and be like, I want to just the baby to dead.
00:19:21.000And then we'd say no oversight whatsoever.
00:19:24.000And I'm saying that, like, even in the case where Democrats argue there's a medical exception for abortion that they would allow, there's still oversight for that.
00:19:31.000So RFK's position is the most, was the most extreme.
00:19:36.000That is a legitimate political position.
00:19:38.000I think he was just saying what he thought was the popular position and now that he had people in his own popular position on the Democrats.
00:19:46.000I mean, it is actually the mainstream Democrat view Joe Biden would agree with.
00:19:51.000with RFK's original position of abortion at any time for any reason, no restrictions.
00:19:57.000They avoid stating it that explicitly.
00:19:59.000Exactly. And I agree because we've had the progressives on the show who have just been
00:20:04.000like, doesn't matter if she wants to do it, just do it.
00:20:06.000I think RFK's- Like literally while the baby started-
00:20:19.000It's in the mainstream of the Democrat Party to support even that.
00:20:23.000So he was he was he was within the mainstream.
00:20:25.000I think RFK goes even further though because I mean, I could be wrong here, but when people were advocating for abortion to become legalized, one of the things they argued all the time was, well, we need it to be oversight because women could go to back alleys and coat hangers, and you heard all these horrible things.
00:20:38.000So he's saying, I don't want state government, I don't want federal government, I don't want anyone regulating this position at all, which theoretically goes against his party's own claim of like, well, we need some kind of regulation so it's safe.
00:20:48.000I don't think there should be abortions.
00:20:50.000But he is even extreme for his own party saying that there's no regulation at all.
00:20:55.000I guess my view is just that he's saying what we know progressives are saying, and Democrat politicians try to avoid saying because they know it's not popular to say, terminate a baby at full term.
00:21:07.000And then he said full term as a politician.
00:21:09.000I'd respect it more if they did just say what they think, right?
00:22:05.000So going back to what you were saying, Matt, about the idea of abortion, I had this debate with Seamus probably like two years ago, Seamus Coghlan, and I was incorrect.
00:22:15.000I said that abortion was just referring to terminating the pregnancy.
00:22:19.000Seamus corrected me and said, no, they're talking about ending the life of the baby.
00:22:22.000And I was trying to convey that stillbirth and things like that were abortion. I was wrong.
00:22:29.000We pulled up the legal definition, and it is terminating a pregnancy in a way that
00:22:33.000ends the life of the baby, not just terminating a pregnancy.
00:22:37.000If there's still birth, the baby's already dead, and they terminate by removing the baby, that's not an abortion.
00:22:41.000That's removing a dead baby, like the baby has died.
00:22:44.000Like, I confronted pro-choice protesters once, and they were trying to tell me that Republicans are trying to ban women who have had miscarriages from having the fetus removed after a natural death.
00:22:56.000Which is insane, and not at all the case, but that's the mainstream...
00:23:01.000I mean, I guess the question is, can any politician actually honestly change their mind on an issue that they've come up publicly on during an election year?
00:23:09.000And I just don't think that this is an honest conversion, right?
00:23:13.000I think he means what he said in the first place, or at least he means it enough to think, this was popular in my social circles, and my donors cheered for me when I said this.
00:23:20.000I don't think that he can actually say, honestly, I have talked to people, I've consulted, and I've had an honest change of heart here.
00:23:28.000Yeah, and what could someone say to you in the span of a couple days that convinces you that, oh, actually, killing full-term babies is wrong?
00:24:25.000But I think that any person, if they think about this issue, you know, can clearly see that killing babies is wrong.
00:24:32.000I have a friend, I've told the story, I'll keep it short, a liberal normie comedian guy who doesn't pay attention to politics.
00:24:38.000And when he was asking me about like, oh, so you're doing the show like you're conservative now, like what's going on?
00:24:43.000And I was like, no, I'm definitely not conservative.
00:24:45.000But I was like, look, man, when you look at what's going on, give you example, the Democrats trying to pass this, this bill that would allow full term abortion at the federal level.
00:25:25.000Yeah, and this is why Colin Wright, Elon Musk, Colin Wright made that meme of the guy in the slightly left position, now he's on the right because the left has gone far left, and that's where many people are, and that's why Trump won, and that's probably why he's going to win again, and that's exactly why RFK is backtracking.
00:26:30.000The reason why Joe Biden is likely, has likely now announced, there's two reasons why he's announced he will do the debate.
00:26:38.000One of the, one of the most interesting ones I've heard is that he is concerned his team, his campaign, that the Democrats will try to force him out and bring in a new candidate.
00:26:50.000And the reason why they're saying they want to do a debate early, earlier than normal, they're claiming, oh, it's because people need to hear the debate before early voting begins.
00:26:58.000Others say it's to force the position so they can't change and they have to have Biden.
00:27:39.000Despite the fact that independents overwhelmingly don't like either of them, Trump is still up by 11 points among independents.
00:27:46.000In various ways, I plugged that data into ChatGPT asking it, I asked GPT to analyze The 2020 voter data and then looking at how independent voters voted.
00:27:59.000Take the favorability as of today and apply that to independent votes and what would the turnout be?
00:28:34.000To be fair, some pollsters have projected that is a possibility, which would be wild, because the House would then, as Republicans, they'd pick Trump, and the Senate as Democrats would pick Harris, and you'd get a Trump-Harris administration, which I don't think it was really going to happen.
00:28:48.000But back to the main point, the reason why Joe Biden is agreeing debate is because he's hurting where it really matters.
00:28:54.000He's losing young voters and he's losing independent voters.
00:28:57.000He has no choice but to force to go on the stage.
00:29:33.000He did not come through in the way that he told them they would.
00:29:36.000No, no, no, what do you mean? It's done. People are posting their like my debts gone. There are several millions of
00:29:41.000dollars tied up in court. And as you they do. He did not come through in the way that he told them they would. Sure.
00:29:47.000But when you look at what voters are concerned about economic issues at the top, when you break down the
00:29:52.000different economic issues, I don't think it's fair to lump them all together necessarily, because they put like
00:29:57.000homelessness as a separate like hunger, homelessness and poverty is a different issue from the economy. And I'm like,
00:30:03.000if you're poor, is it not an economic issue?
00:30:05.000Immigration, as a single issue, is charting the highest, according to Gallup.
00:30:11.000And we pulled this up from Nate Silver.
00:30:14.000Among 18- and 29-year-old voters, Palestine-Israel was number 15 out of 16, and number one was economy, number two was, I think it was, immigration.
00:30:25.000And I'm like, across all demographics, immigration?
00:30:30.000You're a Gen Z-er, and you're wondering why you can't afford to buy a house, why you're living in a shoebox in New York City, why there are no jobs, and then why, on the news, you're watching them send $100 billion to Ukraine.
00:30:42.000They brought in 5.1 million people in the past two years, according to Centers for Immigration Studies, and you're watching them get tax benefits.
00:30:55.000Meanwhile, you're hungry, you can't get insurance, you can't buy a car, you can't buy a house.
00:30:59.000So I, I, I, you know, don't know for sure, but I think economy immigration is a huge issue for, for Gen Z. There's this viral video from this dude, I think his name is, uh, what was his name?
00:31:16.000And he's screaming, About why he makes three times the federal minimum wage, but he can't afford to get a house, he can't afford to live, he's working 40 hours a week, he does not want to work 90 hours a week.
00:31:28.000Meanwhile, this country is sending hundreds of billions, he's like, I turned the news, 60 billion more of our dollars, taxpayers, being sent to a country no one can point to on a map.
00:31:38.000I'm like, yo, Gen Z is pissed about the foreign policy spending.
00:31:48.000You look at your life and you're not in a better spot today with Joe Biden in office.
00:31:53.000Now, not that the president single-handedly determines the quality of your life, but I think it's just people are looking at Biden like, what policies has he put in place to make my life better, to make It better for my family and you're coming up empty.
00:32:07.000There's nothing there I also think that his I think age his age is a major major factor here To me, I don't know if the polls bear this out, but my feeling of it is that that might be the number one thing, because the fact is the guy is senile.
00:32:24.000Like, he's an actual senile president, and I don't know how—it's hard to get past that.
00:32:28.000You don't think he's inspirational to the youth?
00:32:32.000I mean, to anyone, it's just—are we going to vote again for a senile president?
00:32:38.000And then a third factor, too, is that they have not figured out A good line of attack for Trump, somehow, after all these years.
00:32:48.000And so their attacks on Trump are failing, and that's part of the problem.
00:32:52.000They're not able to mobilize voters against Trump because their narrative about Trump, even now, is that he's a dictator, he's in league with Putin, you know, he's going to bring in Handmaid's Tale dystopia and all this kind of stuff.
00:33:09.000We all lived through the Trump years for four years.
00:33:11.000And we know that, like, if anything, Trump's greatest flaw was the exact opposite of that, is that he didn't wield his power enough.
00:33:18.000He was very shy, actually, about wielding his power.
00:33:25.000And so they've got the senile guy overseeing a collapsing economy, and they're running against this other guy, and they can't figure out what their narrative is against him.
00:33:35.000And that's sort of the situation they're in.
00:33:36.000I think that's especially true for voters who were below 18 when Trump was in office.
00:33:42.000Like, if you were 14 when Trump took office, you graduated high school right when Biden took over.
00:33:47.000If you maybe went to college, if you've been working for a couple years, now you're inheriting this economy and this culture that is extremely negative and sort of in disarray.
00:33:56.000And if you were looking back thinking, oh, my parents had, you know, more money under Trump and they weren't complaining about inflation as much, like whether or not the president is the one who fixed it, you're going to look back at that time much more nostalgically and you're going to want it.
00:34:07.000And it was something that you didn't vote to office, but now you might might choose to.
00:34:10.000And the fact is the Trump years were good until 2020.
00:34:14.000And you know, I'm as critical as anyone about Trump's handling of COVID.
00:34:17.000But the problem is that we all know that if a Democrat was in office, it would have all the mistakes that Trump made, the Democrat would have made, but worse.
00:35:27.000I think that Trump doesn't want someone who he thinks might get more publicity than he does, he might feel overshadowed by, so it probably won't be someone like Vivek.
00:35:34.000I've heard Doug Burgum being floated around.
00:35:36.000Like, there's no reason why it'd be Doug Burgum, except that he's just sort of a non-entity and he's not going to overshadow Trump.
00:35:45.000But the other thing, too, is that, you know, the reality is that many of the people that work for Trump are in his orbit.
00:35:53.000The relationships often don't end terribly well.
00:35:56.000And so that's one of the reasons why I wouldn't want DeSantis In that circle, because you end up sullying what could be a powerful person in the movement going forward.
00:36:07.000I think that is one of the interesting things to come out of this election.
00:36:12.000It's not necessarily Trump winning if he does.
00:36:15.000It's what happens to the momentum that has built around this idea of MAGA and this sort of American first movement.
00:36:21.000It's not clear who would be the next leader.
00:36:23.000I mean, I do think Ron DeSantis has an interesting career ahead of him.
00:36:27.000I think there are a lot of really promising people, but it's not like there is a carbon copy, maybe nor should there be, of exactly Donald Trump.
00:36:34.000Yeah, and that was one of DeSantis' mistakes in the primaries, that he sort of positioned himself as Trump without the baggage, right?
00:36:44.000But the problem is that there's only one Trump, and there's only going to ever be one.
00:37:05.000Let's jump to the story from Rolling Stone.
00:37:07.000Oh, we chose one of the most vile ways to interpret the news.
00:37:12.000Chiefs kicker spreads anti-Semitic lies in Benedictine college graduation speech.
00:37:17.000Harrison Butker claimed Congress passed a bill where stating something as basic as the biblical teaching of who killed Jesus could land you in jail.
00:37:24.000So the actual story is Chiefs kicker Bucker congratulates women graduates and says most are more excited about motherhood.
00:37:33.000Look at the distinction between this and this is AP.
00:38:08.000I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabel, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she started living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.
00:38:16.000The way Rolling Stone put it is that he was spreading anti-Semitic lies, and we saw this story, and Matt was instantly like, what's anti-Semitic about it, I guess?
00:38:26.000And I suppose this is—Rolling Stone did the meme.
00:38:31.000The anti-Semitism bill gets passed in the House.
00:38:34.000They say that the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism is how they will determine whether someone's being anti-Semitic.
00:38:40.000One of the examples they gave was, it said, i.e., it's in parentheses, i.e., claiming Jews killed Jesus.
00:38:47.000Then you had many people arguing that you would be accused of anti-Semitism for saying such.
00:38:53.000Now Rolling Stone is claiming that he's spreading an anti-Semitic lie for saying what the bill and the website actually said.
00:39:00.000Now, to be fair, I don't think there's jail time for that bill.
00:39:04.000I think it's a civil violation, meaning that if they can interpret your actions in expressing biblical teachings, where in the Bible it literally does say, Jews killed Jesus, and that is the underpinning for some kind of discriminatory action, then you are civilly responsible, liable, and could be sued or something.
00:39:25.000So I don't think going to jail is correct.
00:39:29.000I mean, I think the real story is his message to the young women, right?
00:39:33.000Because Benedictine is a Catholic college.
00:39:36.000Having gone to a Catholic college for the short time I was there, I know that what he was saying is true and I know that it resonated with those young women.
00:39:45.000And they were clapping for his speech.
00:39:52.000For context, I was at Christendom College and, you know, when I was in conversation with these other female students, a lot of them said they don't really know what their career ambitions are.
00:40:03.000A lot of them were hoping to, you know, get their MRS degree, unabashedly so, and they hosted workshops for these girls where stay-at-home moms would talk about their lifestyles and, you know, that is a profession, although people don't word it that way, being a homemaker is a profession in and of itself, that you don't need a degree for.
00:40:25.000So I think that his speech was really sweet, you know, aside from anything else.
00:40:30.000That's the only part of it that I saw.
00:40:32.000Yeah, I would say being, not to play semantics, but I think being a homemaker is, it's work.
00:40:46.000It's a vocation and it's work and it doesn't need to be.
00:40:49.000It's like, there are honorable, noble things to do that aren't jobs.
00:40:53.000And the interesting thing about this is that, of course, if he had, there's controversy because he said this to women, if he had said something similar to men, Which maybe he even did in the speech.
00:41:22.000There was a Ronald Reagan letter, I think, he was writing to his son, and one of the lines, he's giving him some advice, the son had been like, professional career, whatever, and Ronald Reagan had been, he had said, you know, the most important thing, I'm gonna botch this quote, Yes, the things that you may do as a man are important and your professional career is valuable.
00:41:44.000On the other hand, no one should lose sight of the fact that the family is actually the most important unit in your life and you have to be intentional about building that.
00:41:54.000That's one of the things that makes the career important is that you're doing it in service to your family to provide for them.
00:42:00.000But I think that for whatever reason, that kind of message for a man is not, for the most part, viewed as controversial, but to say that to women somehow is, I suppose.
00:42:07.000There was that story that went viral of Chelsea Handler, I think, where she's like, I don't have kids, so I wake up, do drugs, masturbate, and then go back to sleep.
00:42:48.000And he's going to say, well, press the button if you need us.
00:42:50.000And then I'm just imagining this dark room where she's sitting there terrified at the end of her life.
00:42:56.000They got really mad that we were criticizing her for having said it.
00:43:01.000Me, I take the more libertarian approach, like, hey, more power to you, lady, I guess.
00:43:04.000But I think the message that you get with the likes of Rolling Stone and these liberals is, I don't think they're thinking for their futures.
00:43:12.000And on top of the message that one day these people will be either at home I'll just put it this way.
00:43:20.000I can be more brutal than being in a hospital room and a doctor says, I'm sorry, it's over and you have no one.
00:43:25.000How about you're in your house and you feel a sharp pain in the side of your chest and you fall down and you're dizzy and you can't get up and you're groaning and begging for help and there's no one there to help you.
00:43:38.000That's the world that they resign themselves to in much greater numbers because they reject family, and family supports each other.
00:43:45.000But if we want to get into the macro things, the bigger picture, Social Security is expected to start breaking down in 2033.
00:43:51.000And many of these people, like Chelsea Handler, are going to vote in systems that expect the younger generation, the children of responsible families, to pay the bills of the likes of Chelsea Handler and Bill Maher.
00:44:03.000They'll have, you know, servants or whatever, but the average person who believes in that world and decides to live that way, they're going to be voting in laws that extract from the younger generation of responsible parents who have families.
00:44:19.000I think that pointing out that, and I've said it many times, that people like Chelsea Handler are going to die alone, as you've said, and not just die alone, but then Leave behind no legacy, no lasting impact on the world.
00:44:33.000And that's important to point out, but it's also like while you're living, it's just not true.
00:44:38.000When Chelsea Handler... I'm a little bit less generous than you, because when Chelsea Handler says, I'm very happy living this way...
00:45:34.000And I don't know if this is in the real story that's happened or not, but in the movie he writes something, he writes a message in his book saying something like, happiness isn't real unless it's shared or something like that.
00:45:43.000That's his last thought that he has before he dies alone.
00:45:58.000I think it was Jeremy Boring said this on the show last time he was here.
00:46:03.000We were talking about climate change and they're talking about how we want less people and he made the point that we only do things for people.
00:46:11.000We don't live our lives and follow our dreams and build monuments for trees.
00:46:17.000We do it for humans, for the human experience in which we are a part of.
00:46:20.000Without humans there is no human experience and it's completely true.
00:46:23.000And that's the bigger picture of Yeah, happiness doesn't exist unless it's shared.
00:46:28.000And that's why people love to tell stories.
00:46:30.000That's why people want to sit down with their friends and joke with each other.
00:46:34.000I suppose my view is more, if I get nerdy about it, I view you, Matt, as, for all the D&D fans out there, more like a paladin, right?
00:46:41.000You're a righteous warrior, a knight of divine justice, and I'm more of a rogue who's just sitting back and watching people like her self-destruct, saying, fine, whatever.
00:47:08.000If Chelsea Handler wants to self-destruct, yeah, whatever.
00:47:11.000Yeah, I'm not, I'm certainly, I will not claim that I'm laying awake at night worrying about her happiness and lack thereof.
00:47:19.000One other thing I'll say about this is that, you know, when these people brag about being childless, and they talk about all the things that make being childless so great, most of it's empty and superficial.
00:47:31.000But the other thing is that all of the things that make that life fun, are available to me.
00:47:35.000I mean, I have six kids and I can do all that stuff if I wanted to.
00:47:38.000I don't want to smoke weed and all that, but I could if I wanted to.
00:48:16.000Like those are the relationships she's chasing.
00:48:18.000And I think that's such misplaced energy.
00:48:21.000She is trying to say, I want you guys to validate the way I'm feeling and she is not able to sustain a healthy relationship with anyone close to her because she needs it to be like, look, I am setting the terms of everything.
00:48:33.000Well, to go back to the NFL kicker, you know, one of the things he referenced with that was his wife saying, you know, I think she would tell you that this was the best decision.
00:48:44.000And I think that alludes to the sacrifice that people have to make.
00:48:47.000Like in life you have to make choices.
00:48:49.000You may not get to do everything you want all the time.
00:48:51.000Perhaps you cannot smoke weed because you have to go to your kids' soccer games, but the thing that you're giving up for is worth it.
00:48:57.000The things that you are getting from it are valuable to you and are ultimately part of how they will shape the rest of your life.
00:49:02.000I think that the culture that Chelsea Handler is living in is much more about momentary instantaneous pleasure as opposed to the joys of things that come from sacrifice and hard work.
00:49:17.000Chelsea Handler at a very young age learned that after suffering some kind of ailment, she would be unable to have kids, and this is actually just her coping with trauma.
00:49:30.000How would you feel if there was something like that going on?
00:49:33.000Well, I'd say you're coping with it the wrong way.
00:49:34.000I mean, look, there are people that can't have kids or that want to and just it doesn't happen, you know, that happens.
00:49:42.000But I do think that every person is called, I think every human being has a maternal or paternal calling.
00:49:49.000So every man's called to be a father and every woman's called to be a mother.
00:49:52.000Usually that will take the form of the biological sense where you actually have kids.
00:49:57.000And then sometimes it will take the form of adoption.
00:50:00.000But then there are other forms even beyond that where it might not be either of those.
00:50:04.000And maybe you go into the religious life.
00:50:05.000Maybe you get into, you know, you become a missionary.
00:50:09.000But the point is that a life of a kind of maternal or paternal service is what everyone is called to in some form.
00:50:17.000And I think if you just reject that outright and say, I don't want any part of that or anything that looks like it, you're living not only a sort of pointless, empathetic life, but also one that's like deeply sad, I think.
00:50:28.000The scariest thing is if you do not have kids, it will be the first time since the dawn of humanity that your line did not reproduce.
00:50:38.000So the weight of every single one of your ancestors is upon you to continue your family.
00:50:46.000I just think of all the relatives who, like, nurse their kids through, like, smallpox or yellow fever and, like, help raise them and sacrifice for them.
00:51:08.000The sinister alternative that they're promoting right now is chosen family, like the friends cast where you make a bunch of friends and someone like Chelsea Handler has like gay best friends and they go out and post it to social media.
00:51:22.000But those people, they don't have any loyalty to you.
00:51:25.000So that's why you talked about her deathbed, right?
00:51:30.000Who of her chosen family is going to be there for her at her lowest, when she is then reduced to the state of a child again, when she's elderly?
00:51:38.000And who of those people, if they decide, even before she dies, If they decide that, like, they find her kind of annoying and she has all these flaws and everything, which we know she has quite a few of them, like, how many of them are going to stay devoted to her even then?
00:51:54.000Because the thing is, in most friendships, you know, it is like you're devoted to each other to a certain extent, but it's because, like, we kind of like being around each other.
00:52:03.000there's nothing there's nothing most of the time there's nothing that quite transcends that now when your family you have blood that transcends that so that even if you're annoyed with each other sometimes you still have that familial devotion well i gave you the horrible scenario for her on her deathbed where the doctor says press the button there's the inverse you're on your deathbed surrounded by your Your grandchildren, your children, they're holding your hands, crying, saying you were the best dad, you were the best mom.
00:52:25.000You did everything for us and we'll always care about you, we'll always believe in you, and your story will live on.
00:52:31.000We're going to name our great-grandkids, things like that.
00:52:33.000And you are in a room, warm, surrounded by love, with a smile on your face.
00:52:37.000The beautiful thing about family, though, is that even if you weren't the best grandmother, you weren't the best mom, whatever you were, they'll say it anyway.
00:52:44.000Just lie to me as I'm dying, at least.
00:52:48.000They will be there for you anyway, because there's room for vulnerability, right?
00:52:52.000Sometimes family falls apart, but for the most part, you have the highest percentage odds of having people be there for you and say the nicest thing, the loving things to you, even if they don't really mean it, because they still do care about you, even if they're annoyed by the little things.
00:53:05.000Well, because what's scary to me more than the deathbed scenario, like if you're, what's her name, Wendy Williams, she's like in a conservatorship right now because she's getting dementia, like if Chelsea Handler starts to lose control of her mind, her faculties, whatever else, like who is going to be the person who steps up to care for her, right?
00:53:20.000Like that is when you really need someone.
00:53:26.000The state will come and take your mind.
00:53:27.000The state will maybe but like who is going to be there when you are like needing a routine?
00:53:32.000Who is literally going to be in your home with you?
00:53:34.000Because it's like I guess her state could hire her a nurse but like you don't know what that there are lots of great like in-home carers but like it's to me the craziest thing that happens is like at the end of your life you need more support and if you haven't poured into your family like if she couldn't have kids you know hopefully she's a fantastic aunt hopefully she's She's at every single volleyball game for her nieces and
00:53:55.000nephews because ultimately at the end of your life you need your community and that
00:54:18.000We're seeing more cases of elder abuse even now.
00:54:21.000It's going to be brutal because Social Security, 940 bucks a month or something.
00:54:27.0002033, it starts becoming insolvent and breaking down.
00:54:31.000With low fertility and a smaller amount of young people relative to old people, you don't just have a shortfall in cash, you have a shortfall in the actual labor to produce the services and resources for the elderly who need it.
00:54:43.000So you can print all the money in the world you want, tax everybody, you could tax 100% for all the young people, give it to the older people, and they're gonna be like, there's still not enough production to support these old single millennial lefties and woke people who didn't have families.
00:55:01.000I am terrified of what that future is going to be, because it goes one of two extreme directions.
00:55:06.000One is which they vote en masse to subjugate the younger generations to an extreme degree, drafting younger generations towards civic duty for a certain amount of years to produce the resources required for the older people who didn't have families, whether you want to or not.
00:55:22.000Or the other side of things, the much more terrifying, a bunch of old people wandering the streets or just dying because there's no support system and no one's willing to pay their bills or do the work for them.
00:55:32.000I think there's actually a third scenario which maybe could fit into one or two, which is what we're already seeing in Canada, which is we start to see Old age treated as a disease and there's a cure for that disease, you know, which is, which is euthanasia.
00:55:48.000And, um, so we're going to see the expansion of the kind of euthanasia program.
00:55:52.000Uh, and at a certain age, we're going to look at you, the society's going to look at you and say, well, there's, you don't do anything anymore.
00:56:06.000I could be totally wrong here, but there was one country.
00:56:08.000It was like the older people just are supposed to like sacrifice himself, walk into the woods and like, I feel like I can't be a burden on society.
00:56:13.000I don't know what country, so I can't remember.
00:56:28.000The old people lined up to volunteer to go into the reactor to try and clean it up and shut it down, saying, we have lived good lives and now we will make the sacrifice for the children.
00:56:37.000And I'm like, wow, that's kind of the opposite of what we got with Congress.
00:56:40.000Older people who are like, let's extract as much as we can.
00:56:43.000This is my seat and you can never take it away from me.
00:56:45.000They're having their own issues keeping up the birth rate in Japan.
00:57:02.000We're far off from the point of experiencing actual population decline.
00:57:08.000And I say, so people that are stupid, of course, will look at it and say, well, you know, every time Elon talks about the depopulation agenda, which I'm glad he talks about it, in his comments, you always see a bunch of people say, what are you talking about?
00:57:17.000The population's growing by every day.
00:57:20.000But the point is that we're below replacement level in a lot of these societies.
00:57:22.000And so the population increase is slowing down.
00:57:26.000Eventually you get to the point where it actually does start decreasing.
00:57:28.000When that happens, now you're in a catastrophic, cataclysmic situation.
00:57:33.000I don't, I'm not sure what could, A lot more people need to have six kids like me.
00:57:39.000But how do you get people to have six kids?
00:57:40.000There could be a pendulum swing, right?
00:57:42.000Because I was just thinking about this today.
00:57:44.000It used to be seen as a status symbol, it maybe still is, to not have a lot of kids.
00:57:48.000And poor people would generally have more kids because the more kids you have, the more people you have to contribute to the household.
00:57:57.000Which used to be the economic center, like home and work used to be one and the same.
00:58:02.000And then the pendulum swing is going to happen where it's going to be seen as a status symbol to have three plus kids and get above replacement rate, because it's seen now as a luxury to be able to do that, especially as it's seen as a luxury to be able to have a single income household.
00:58:17.000I hope that's well, as long as it's a status symbol to have a lot of kids with one set of parents. Not like the NFL route? Well, I mean, Elon
00:59:01.000I know a lot of families that have a lot of kids, and I grew up in a family where there was also six kids, and some parents of a lot of kids feel a certain embarrassment.
00:59:12.000Not that they have a lot of kids, but when they go out in public, people tend to stare.
00:59:51.000So if we got to a point where that's how the culture was sort of wired, I think that would help.
00:59:55.000With this problem, but it is a, it's a, it's like I said, a generational problem.
00:59:58.000I feel like you have to make it fun to be a family again.
01:00:00.000Like everyone should have a baby shower.
01:00:01.000Everyone should be like, wow, it's great that you're having children.
01:00:04.000Like stop treating it like it's the end of your life.
01:00:06.000That and also society needs to be much more welcoming of families.
01:00:10.000This is like, this is a constant, you know, source of argument and debates that come up on Twitter all the time where you've got another person on TikTok like saying, if you have a kid, stop going to grocery stores with your bratty kid or whatever.
01:00:50.000You know, but I understand why people then, parents are disappointed in their kids, they take it out, they think it's a kid problem.
01:00:57.000My view is, you know, we invite people to come and skate the park or film, I always tell, bring your family.
01:01:03.000It's like, we're exercising, it's a sunny Saturday morning, you want to come, bring the wife, bring the kids, we'll order food, we'll hang out, make it a family thing.
01:01:13.000I tell people who work here at this company, if you want, bring your kids.
01:01:17.000Your kids can watch you work when they're able to watch you work.
01:01:19.000I think it is one of the biggest problems that we face in this country is that we've separated parents from their children institutionally, socially.
01:01:28.000Kids go off to the institutionalized learning facility.
01:02:39.000But I just think, let this be a moment for people to realize, you can't just say to a school, what are you doing about it, when your kid is being physically attacked.
01:03:27.000It's totally unthinkable that a child would, I can't even wrap my mind around it.
01:03:31.000And one thing that I think we don't, haven't quite wrapped all of our minds around is the fact that this is, this whole phenomenon of children committing suicide is very new.
01:04:53.000So they're in peer culture every single day physically and then it follows them.
01:04:58.000It's like this fog that just follows them everywhere.
01:05:01.000So what that means is that if a kid is rejected socially by his peers for whatever reason, There's nowhere for him to go to escape that.
01:05:12.000And at least like 30 years ago, if you were bullied in school, at least when you went home, like you're home now and you're with your family and those kids can't get you anymore.
01:06:00.000It's because of this pure orientation, this pure culture that they are totally immersed in and cannot escape.
01:06:06.000And I think that's the fundamental problem.
01:06:08.000I look at the majority of human history and how children were raised.
01:06:13.000When the kid was old enough, the dad, who's a carpenter, would say, son, grab those nails over here, come here, I'll show you what I'm doing.
01:06:20.000There's not the same formal education in school and institutionalized learning that we have today.
01:06:25.000So the kids really did grow up with their families, and the kids worked all day.
01:06:30.000And the dad worked all day, and the mom worked all day, and they worked in different ways.
01:06:35.000And then at some point we got the industrialization of human society, where instead of the children, boys and girls, growing up with their parents and living in the family, being on a farm, really, for the most part, it turned into public schools that were like factories.
01:06:49.000Kids worked, but they worked in horrible conditions, and we were like, okay, this is bad, we can't have kids working in these conditions.
01:06:54.000But the issue now is, I don't blame the parents.
01:07:20.000We can't afford daycare, so public school is the only viable option.
01:07:24.000Then our kid is effectively being tortured in this environment, and neither of us can go to the school, like you were saying, Matt, and intervene, can't afford to homeschool, and we don't know how to solve this problem.
01:07:34.000And I think that's one of the reasons programs like the HOPE Scholarship in West Virginia are really important, like having the option to say, this school isn't working for my kid, I'm going to pull them.
01:07:42.000With the HOPE Scholarship, you get money to then send to a private school or use to homeschool, like making it so that parents can really be in charge of the educational environment their children are in.
01:07:51.000Because I, you know, if you can't, if one parent can't stay home and homeschool, homeschooling is a lot of work.
01:07:58.000Then maybe there's a private school in your area.
01:08:02.000Being able to remove kids from educational situations that aren't working is really important, especially because there is a social component to a lot of suicide trends.
01:08:10.000I mean, there are studies that talk about suicide pods where schools that experience a suicide might see two or three more pop up in the next five years because there is the idea that once it is in a student's mind, it makes a student that is potentially at a higher risk already more likely to commit.
01:08:27.000And I think especially young children are susceptible to suggestion.
01:08:31.000We see this in public schools all the time when they're suggested ideas about gender, they're suggested ideas about religion, you know, and it's a vulnerable time and I think The biggest thing we could do to offer parents in this position support is to make it possible for them to remove their student.
01:08:49.000And in this case, like, if your kid's attending public school and you're paying into that tax base, like, take the money with you and go somewhere else.
01:08:56.000I don't think that making it so it's like, well, we as the administrators kind of did nothing and you're kind of stuck, like, this is all we can offer you is enough.
01:09:04.000I don't think it's good enough, especially for parents like this.
01:09:07.000You do a private school for your kids?
01:09:09.000Are they going to like a private Catholic school?
01:09:14.000Well, we had, you know, there, there are different, you know, when you homeschool, uh, kind of to your point, it's, it's, there are resources available.
01:09:21.000There are co-ops and that sort of thing, uh, that you can do with your kid.
01:09:24.000And that's, and that's, and there, there are, there are many more options now than there ever were before.
01:09:29.000Homeschooling has become a much more mainstream option for people, although.
01:09:33.000As much as I advocate homeschooling, I still understand that it is the reality that some parents just can't, you just can't do it.
01:09:40.000And it comes down to the, the economics of it, the finances of it.
01:09:43.000And, uh, you know, if you, if both parents like you need to work in order to keep a roof over your head, then public school might be the only, the only option.
01:09:50.000And, um, then I would say if you're in that spot, the best thing you can do is is make sure that when your kid comes home that he is home
01:10:01.000now and that your home is a different place entirely from the
01:10:05.000school and take away the phones, take away the internet
01:10:08.000as much as you possibly can and it's like we're home now together and give
01:10:12.000him that, give them that like oasis away from
01:10:17.000all the stuff at school. I think more people need to discover
01:10:20.000rural living. There's a, I was mentioning a viral video earlier from a Gen Z guy
01:10:25.000saying he can't afford to live, he can't afford to buy house. What's up?
01:10:28.000And I'm like, well, you can in West Virginia.
01:10:30.000You can get, you can buy a house for like 70K, a nice one.
01:10:34.000It's just that you're in a rural area, you're not living in the big city, but a lot of people want to live in these cities.
01:10:39.000So I think there's a social cultural issue.
01:10:42.000I saw this interesting map of population density in Ireland, and it used to be, in the 1800s, completely even.
01:10:49.000Like, a couple hundred thousand people in every different district or whatever they're called, and now everyone's in Dublin.
01:10:55.000And I'm like, well, that hyper-concentration is gonna strain resources, the environment, the cost of living.
01:11:03.000People need to be more content with living further away from the cities.
01:11:08.000I understand then they have the challenge of gas.
01:11:09.000Gas gets expensive, and that's why it matters.
01:11:11.000It's also access to jobs, right, for a lot of people, that if you live in a rural area, it necessitates them working from home.
01:11:19.000Which is becoming more accessible but you're right, you are right.
01:11:22.000I'm just wondering if, you know when I see a story like this and I hear about a man and a woman and they're saying we both have to work full-time jobs to support this house, I'm just thinking like, Is it possible, I don't know if it's even possible, but assuming it's possible to live like humans did a hundred years ago, get a cheap plot of land in the middle of nowhere, build the house, work nonstop, get some animals and be self-sufficient, is that a possibility today if you wanted to get away from this system and protect your family?
01:11:52.000I mean, I think, of course, it is if that's what you're choosing to prioritize, right?
01:11:55.000Like, if you're saying, we both need to work to afford this home in this city, and we pick the city because the schools are good, but actually all of our kids are suffering and having a bad time, like, maybe you can go back to the drawing board and say, well, if we move over here and pay less, one of us can stay home or one can be home part-time or whatever it is.
01:12:12.000You know, I think the challenge is you have to decide what things are must-haves in your life and what are not.
01:12:19.000Is living near the city because your job is there and you need the job to support your family a requirement?
01:12:33.000You know, I know people who live, you know, more southern West Virginia and like they have one or two, like a day of the month where they drive to Costco and they buy everything they need and they drive back out to, you know, the woods and, and cell service is always great.
01:12:44.000But the decision was that this is more in line, in alignment with the values for our family and our financial goals or whatever it is.
01:12:52.000I think, um, I've always heard this thing that it's, you might be the one to, to speak to this.
01:12:57.000There'll be these debates like which is hardest going from two kids to three or three kids to four but I have this impression that it's actually going from zero to one and deciding that like you're going down this path of raising children and that is the at the core of your of your life now because you can't do some things that you want and you maybe have to decide okay rural life where this house has more land but it's farther from whatever thing whatever luxury we like to in our younger 20s is the goal over you know being able to I... I kinda think it's like...
01:13:32.000The greatest thing ever, just imagining having a homestead and waking up, feeding the chickens, chopping some wood, taking care of the cows, just sustaining off your land.
01:14:11.000I don't know how much I'd really love that, but at least being, if you can, in an area where Kids in general need space to go run and play.
01:14:21.000Boys in particular, not that girls don't need it, but at least I've noticed it myself with our kids, that boys in particular, they just need like space.
01:14:31.000They're just like brimming with energy and you can't, and so many of these boys are being contained and they're being sort of like anesthetized with, we'll put
01:14:41.000them in front of a screen and because that makes it, you know, it's, they're easier
01:14:45.000to manage that way. And yeah, you can kind of, but it's like a numbing effect. It's, it's
01:15:59.000But that's a good sense for kids to develop, right?
01:16:01.000Like, okay, maybe it's time to head back to the homestead.
01:16:03.000But now, there's news reports where, like, someone got the police called on them because their kid was playing by themself in the front yard.
01:16:10.000And then the police were like, what's going on?
01:16:24.000And we were talking about modern politics, and they were like, look, we didn't learn nothing about You know, like the gender stuff, we didn't need to, we had kids.
01:16:33.000One day the boy started smashing things and the girl started trying to protect them from him.
01:16:38.000And they were like, I don't know what to tell you, it just happened.
01:21:08.000a Virginia politician and we were talking about the difference in how men and women think,
01:21:14.000you know, and women will be like, what are you thinking about? And then, you know, he, I forgot
01:21:18.000how he said it, but it was really funny because he was like, well, sometimes it's just, it doesn't,
01:21:22.000I'm not thinking about anything. And then they think that you're, you're upset or something.
01:21:25.000It's like, no, it's, I'm thinking about how many exits are in this Walmart and how do I secure it
01:21:30.000in the case of a zombie apocalypse? It's like, And I was like, yeah, I'm imagining weird stuff like that all the time.
01:21:37.000It's totally meaningless, but it's also very much like that viral meme where the guy and the woman are walking through the building, and you see the guy's face, and he's like, I've got two exits to my left, one behind me, there's a guy over there, he's kind of sketchy, let's move a little bit to the left, and the woman is going, But she's like that because she's with someone she trusts, right?
01:21:57.000Men and women are supposed to be complementary so that you can do different things.
01:22:01.000If your wife goes out and is like, hey, it turns out this family's moving and that might change what's going on in our lives and whatever else, that's valuable information to know.
01:22:10.000Obviously, there is bad gossip, but we want men and women to function differently so that they can cover a huge set of skills.
01:22:15.000If they all do the same thing, number one, women end up unhappy and also society doesn't function as well.
01:22:23.000Target ditches Pride Month merchandise after last year's backlash.
01:22:28.000Company refuses to say how many stores will no longer sell LGBTQ items.
01:22:32.000The company announced May 9th that its Pride Month pair will be available online and only in select stores, based on historical sales performance.
01:22:39.000This marks a shift from prior years, during which the LGBTQ merchandise was available at all stores.
01:22:44.000Last spring, the company was forced to alter its marketing, excuse me, after facing national outrage.
01:22:49.000over pride themed merchandise. Target also sold tuck friendly swimsuits. Yeah, we get it, you know,
01:22:55.000given these volatile circumstances, we are making adjustments to our plans,
01:22:58.000including removing items that have been at the center of the most significant confrontational
01:23:01.000behavior. They say that the company which operates around 2000 stores moved pride displays from
01:23:07.000entrances to in some stores around the US and place them in the back. This is a major boycott
01:23:11.000victory. This is people walking into Target stores and seeing this tuck friendly stuff right there in
01:24:34.000We have rebranded what this company is in people's minds so that it's not even an effort to not purchase the product or not go there anymore.
01:24:57.000If I'm looking up a store because I need to go buy a mop, I was talking about this earlier, I just don't go to the Target.
01:25:01.000I'm just like, I don't even think about it. I don't care what their marketing is now.
01:25:04.000You know, to a certain degree, though, there's the question of, do we completely abandon these
01:25:11.000companies and say, we just don't want to deal with it? Or do we reward them if they do the
01:25:15.000things we do want them to do? I think if you get an actual surrender, essentially, like if and Bud Light even, so it
01:25:26.000has not done this, but if they come out and say, I apologize for doing that, we apologize, we
01:25:30.000shouldn't have done that, we've committed, but that hasn't really happened with either one
01:25:34.000I think we disagreed on that point and there was like a shadow debate where I said something like, Bud Light effectively giving up as an opportunity for us to declare victory and then use it something on your show where you're like, no, no, I disagree.
01:26:20.000It's a strategy and it's all about the messaging.
01:26:29.000A lot of it is, can you get that messaging to actually stick?
01:26:33.000But I think that if you don't get some kind of actual acknowledgement from the company, Like, they've done what you asked, and they are telling you that they're doing what you asked, then I just don't think... I think that trying to declare victory will appear hollow.
01:26:51.000Well, it's only a half victory if they're only removing the Pride merch from half of the stores, and probably only in red states.
01:27:01.000So, cause for optimism that this stuff does have an impact.
01:27:06.000Because I see a lot of people saying that they tune out of the news, they're too pessimistic.
01:27:11.000And I'm like, literally, look, you see the story about Target, Bud Light, and all that happens is, the next time you go to the liquor store, you go, eh, yingling, and you grab a different case.
01:27:19.000Your day is not inconvenienced in any way.
01:27:21.000In fact, I gotta say, if you're swapping Bud Light for yingling, your day has dramatically improved.
01:27:26.000But this means that they see the negative sales, it forces them to do some kind of course correction, and simply by knowing, you're winning.
01:27:34.000Voting with your dollars, voting with your feet.
01:27:36.000That's one of the reasons why I shot at Public Square all the time, and we had Michael Seifried on just the other day.
01:27:44.000Because you can just pull up the app and be like, I am buying from this company, I don't want to buy from that company.
01:27:49.000I think that's the major effect of the Target boycotts in my mind, which is like, it broke the habit of going to Target for so many people, and it makes me wonder, like, instead of going to Target to get all the random things, did they start going to the local franchises of, you know, Ace Hardware or whatever it is, and that money comes back into the community faster than if you were to send it through, you know, the big corporate pipeline of Target or even Walmart.
01:28:13.000Did they look up something local and start deciding, that's where I'm going to get this thing that I buy regularly from?
01:28:17.000Because I think more than anything, once people stop going, like the idea that, oh, it's just Saturday and I'm going to go to Target and look around, like once they stopped doing that, that sort of consumerist habit goes away.
01:28:30.000And that's what I think all of this ends up being about.
01:28:34.000I think you're totally right. I don't think anyone could walk into a Target and even if they stopped
01:28:37.000selling the Pride merch in every store and it was only online, I think people would always associate
01:28:42.000it with this controversy and I think that's a big enough deal where they would just continue down
01:28:46.000the path of moving away from it. And I think we're going to see the real evidence of victory once we
01:28:52.000get to Pride Month because my prediction is this is going to be the most muted Pride Month that
01:29:09.000And at the end of the day, these are businesses and they want to make money and that's what they care about most.
01:29:13.000So I think this is going to be a very uninspired Pride Month this year, I think.
01:29:19.000The election year being a major component because this is every political faction looking for any opportunity to score points with months leading up to the we're talking five months from the election.
01:29:33.000They are going to outright just be like, shut up.
01:29:36.000Every PAC is going to try and find an angle.
01:29:38.000They're going to—you give them a controversy, you do some woke thing, every Republican PAC is going to be like, Joe Biden, woke.
01:29:49.000So the risk factor is amplified like a hundredfold in an election year, as opposed to two years ago.
01:29:55.000Yeah, everyone messages differently during an election year, I think.
01:29:58.000I mean, I think you'll see some brands sort of take it as a, well, we're going to try and be extra loud this Pride Month because, you know, the evil Republicans and religious people are coming after us.
01:30:07.000But for the most part, everyone is going to not want to draw attention to themselves and become the brand in the middle of a debate.
01:30:14.000Potentially, you know, the first debate between Trump and Biden is like June 27th.
01:30:18.000So it's right at the end of Pride Month.
01:30:20.000If anyone has any sort of viral moment, it's coming up during that debate.
01:31:14.000I'm like, if everyone was saying like, why is there a month dedicated to a small percent of people who have a certain predilection?
01:31:22.000Like, if the argument is live and let live and do whatever you want, I don't see why we dedicate a corporate holiday month to this movement or whatever.
01:31:31.000And then I'm just like, why don't we do it with the American flag?
01:31:51.000And that's why I thought- Normal Pride Month.
01:31:54.000Well, but this is why I thought MAGA Month was- instead of being reactionary, where it's like, you did a thing and we're gonna point you out, totally ignore them and do our thing.
01:32:05.000If you did a straight Pride Month, you're basically saying we acknowledge you and what you've done, and now we are going to try and restart.
01:33:32.000Maybe he says it kind of bold so you can't really win the argument.
01:33:35.000No, my idea was, we as the culture of this country Need to establish and embolden the culture of this country.
01:33:44.000The woke, they're making up holidays left and right, they're making up boards left and right, and they're forcing companies to adhere to it because they are trying to indoctrinate.
01:33:53.000The response isn't to be like, yeah, well, we'll have a straight flag.
01:33:56.000It's to be like America, because we are America.
01:34:45.000Actually restoring some sense of actual patriotism in the country and like making it okay to say that you are actually proud of, not only proud of your country, but it's history, you know, that we've gotten to the point where that is.
01:34:59.000It's controversial to be proud of the history of your own country.
01:35:03.000Even for a lot of so-called conservatives, they won't go that far.
01:35:05.000Or at least they'll feel like they have to qualify it and say, well, yeah, I'm proud of that.
01:35:08.000But, you know, slavery was really bad and colonialism is a terrible thing.
01:36:39.000I was reading a few different essays, articles about why that was, and population density and landmass, they believe, played a huge role.
01:36:51.000More conflict in Europe led to negotiating diplomacy, forced technological progression, militarism, farming technologies due to, again, population density and a lack of space.
01:37:04.000And then in the Americas, it was very, very sparsely populated.
01:37:09.000And so any conflict could be resolved by simply moving.
01:37:11.000And so the pressure on those in this atmosphere was very much walk away and continue to live off the land, where in Europe you're on a large peninsula and it's defend the land or die.
01:37:25.000And I think that's an interesting theory, but also the population density only goes to show the absurdity of this idea that we stole the land.
01:37:32.000Because, like, the idea that if you had one tribe living in thousands of square miles of wilderness, the idea that they owned it and that no one else was allowed to come is just absurd.
01:38:09.000I think the most important factor is the accumulation of information passed down over generations, which is written language.
01:38:15.000And so a guy could write a book on how to make gunpowder or something, hand it to his kid, and then forever now you have this military might that the people in the Western Hemisphere can't compete with.
01:38:26.000But, but, we do gotta go to Super Chats.
01:38:28.000We should definitely talk about this on the Uncensored Members Only Show.
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01:38:39.000We'll carry over that conversation in the Uncensored Show, which we'll have members call in, but for now we'll read some Super Chats.
01:40:08.000Yeah, I don't think they have any kind of secret plan like that.
01:40:11.000I think a lot of the power brokers in the Democratic Party right now are just saying to themselves, well, Biden's going to lose, and so we just have to get to work undermining Trump for four years.
01:40:20.000And they're probably not as worried about a Trump presidency, some of these guys, as we might think they are, because they know that they own the federal government, and they are going to plan on doing what they did the first time.
01:40:30.000And I don't think the networks would have gone without a debate, right?
01:40:34.000Even if not as many people tune in every year, They still make money off of it.
01:40:38.000They want there to be a presidential debate.
01:40:39.000That's how, you know, all of them end up getting some sort of four-year bump every cycle.
01:42:28.000Because I don't really expect you to watch the full thing.
01:42:30.000It's about... I'll give you the really simple version.
01:42:35.000On the surface, it's about gigantic monsters that eat people.
01:42:38.000The actual politics of it is, thousands of years ago, a group of people had a power over everyone else and ruled over them with an iron fist.
01:42:46.000For this, the people of the world, like the king basically said, we are an evil, evil group of people who subjugated the world, so we must be punished for what we've done, isolates them on an island, and the rest of the world is Basically saying, you're genetically this, so you're bad.
01:43:03.000And they're on this isolated island, basically, which is a permanent prison camp for the crimes of their ancestors.
01:43:08.000So it actually is an interesting premise.
01:43:11.000However, it's a pretty weird show where there are giant monsters.
01:45:40.000Death Note is considered one of the best of all time.
01:45:43.000It's about a high school student who finds a notebook laying on the ground.
01:45:47.000Death gods, shinigami is the Japanese word for grim reaper, one of them is bored.
01:45:53.000They live in an extra planet dimension where they write down the names of people to kill them, and the remaining years of that person are added to the lifespans of these death gods.
01:46:01.000One of them is bored because he's immortal and he's lived for eons, so he drops the book in the human world to see what happens.
01:46:07.000And a high school student finds the book, reads the rules, and decides he's going to start mass-executing all of the criminals from all the jails and everything around the world to send a message to the world that there is a defined power that will punish those who do evil.
01:46:47.000When people start realizing that criminals all over are just dropping dead, dying suddenly, they realize this is an intentional act targeting specifically criminals that are named in the news.
01:46:58.000So there's a detective who tries to hunt him down, basically filling in the holes and setting traps to make him take actions.
01:47:05.000And the show is basically a game of cat and mouse between a man who's trying to excise the world of criminals and the detective trying to stop them.
01:47:13.000There's interesting moral philosophies in it, too, in that the detective believes that you can't just arbitrarily kill people, whereas the high school student who throughout the show gets older, believes that because these
01:47:24.000systems let the criminals go, they continue to victimize people and the system never
01:47:47.000I guess some of the special effects of like, you know, the interdimensions and stuff like that, like, you might be able to depict it more accurately to the way you're imagining if you can draw it out and CGI or whatever else might look weird.
01:47:59.000I'm willing to consider the possibility.
01:48:00.000There might be something wrong in my brain, but I can't.
01:48:19.000So one thing I would say for kids, like when I was younger, the anime that I watched and the reason why it's so popular is the through line for most of the most popular shows is a kid with no natural talent who knows that in order to be the best, he has to work as hard as possible to earn his place.
01:49:06.000And he struggles and works as hard as possible with no natural talent, is made fun of and ridiculed, but he never gives up and eventually becomes the best.
01:49:14.000Black Clover is a kid who's born with no magic powers in a world of magic.
01:49:17.000So he trains himself to become as physically powerful as possible.
01:49:21.000And then my favorite point of that story is when he enters the magical tournament.
01:49:25.000They are mocking him, like, you're weak, you have no magic, and then he's so fast and strong that he knocks a guy out in a single punch, and then proving that you don't need to be, you know, that you can earn your place, you can work hard to accomplish it.
01:50:21.000I mean, there are like some fertility drugs involved, but it's just like putting sperm into the uterus instead of conceiving outside in like a petri dish.
01:52:31.000Yeah, that's no, I mean, you can't he expressly denies the church's moral authority on a whole host of issues, which means you literally can't be Catholic and do that.
01:52:41.000So That would disqualify a lot of Catholics.
01:53:27.000But the question is, like, why did enough people in Congress either read that definition and think, great, no problem, or did they just not read it?
01:53:35.000Does that mean that they're awful at their jobs?
01:53:38.000I think it's a combination of the two.
01:53:41.000The black pill part of it has been the number of Republicans, as you pointed out, that have gotten on board with this.
01:53:45.000Not just, by the way, because there's the federal level.
01:53:49.000This law that we talked about, but on the state level, there have been similar measures and that often go back to this, whatever it is, the Holocaust, International Holocaust Society, whatever the group is.
01:54:03.000Like that's of the many appalling aspects of this, that's maybe the most appalling is that this organization is like an intergovernmental agency.
01:54:12.000And we're allowing them to set the terms for our laws.
01:54:15.000Basically, we are farming this out to other governments, giving them influence over our laws.
01:54:23.000One of the examples of anti-Semitism that this organization gives Has to do with making criticisms of the state of Israel.
01:54:51.000There was something maybe from you or whatever.
01:54:54.000And the generic responses from people were, It didn't even matter what Ben said.
01:55:00.000No matter what he said, they assumed it was the opposite because they just don't like Jews.
01:55:05.000Uh, that's why it's funny when, when I, when this law was first, uh, when they were the news, this law first broke and I, I came out against it really strong, very strongly.
01:55:15.000And then of course, all the responses to me were wait till Ben, wait till Ben Shapiro.
01:55:22.000It's like, you know, not that we, we didn't have any conversation about what my take on it is, but it didn't surprise me when he came out a day later and was like, yeah, I'm against it too.
01:55:31.000It's a basic free, it's a basic free speech thing.
01:55:33.000It's kind of wild because I think a lot of people don't actually watch the content, especially like backstage, because I saw clips from, it was like you, Jeremy, Ben, and others were talking about Israel and these issues, and it was like a nuanced discussion with varying opinions.
01:55:45.000But the assumption is that if like, it doesn't happen, The Daily Wire doesn't have any, like no matter what, it's always going to be pro-Israel no matter what happens, even if it's the antisemitism bill.
01:55:55.000Yeah, and my take on all this, and I'm very non-interventionist.
01:56:05.000It's always been my view, and I've argued about it.
01:56:09.000We've debated this, as you say, on air many times.
01:56:12.000It's the crazy thing because on this show we've actually argued, and like, I've gotten heated and pissed about the US, you know, building that dock off of that pier in Gaza, which is an invasion.
01:56:27.000I don't see why we're funding foreign wars.
01:56:29.000I don't know that I would say isolationist, but my attitude is before we spend money literally anywhere else, we can secure our borders, we can fix our roads, we can build our bridges.
01:56:37.000And I still get people claiming that I'm wanting to fund Israel.
01:56:44.000Yeah, I mean, countries have the right to defend themselves.
01:56:48.000And so, you know, and the other thing, too, is that it's sort of the law of the land, the law of conquest, sort of which supersedes all everything else, just sort of because it's the reality of things, which is that if you want to exist as a country, you have to be able to defend yourself.
01:57:07.000You have the right to defend yourself.
01:57:09.000If you can't defend yourself, you're not going to exist as a country anymore.
01:57:13.000And so that process should be allowed to play out.
01:57:16.000As America, we don't have to be the arbiters over which country wins and which country loses.
02:00:07.000I was buying a car, and someone was doing a trade-in at the same time, and my brother saw it, and he was like, hey, we should get that.
02:00:12.000It could be used for something, a couple hundred bucks.
02:00:15.000So I bought it, and then I was like, it would be really funny if we did a car giveaway, where it's me standing next to a Tesla Model S, saying you could win a car, and then as soon as the video starts, the camera pans to the Chevy Cobalt 2006 with 240,000 miles on it, and you win that one instead.
02:00:31.000And if you do win it, you have 24 hours to get it off my property, otherwise we're billing you for it.
02:00:35.000If you really want that car, you can have it.
02:00:49.000I feel like it makes a difference if it runs though, you know?
02:00:53.000Ash Eel says, my anime recommendations for you is Spice and Wolf, Mayu, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, The Heroic Legend of Arceon, Silver Spoon, Trigun, and Cowboy Bebop.
02:01:17.000It's always weird to me when I say I don't like some pop culture thing and people get angry.
02:01:21.000Cause like, there are plenty of things I like, uh, despite popular opinion, I do like some things.
02:01:26.000And when other people don't like it, it doesn't, doesn't make me angry.
02:01:28.000I don't have, I don't understand that.
02:01:30.000So I don't get what people are... In this case, when you're like, I don't like it, this, this format and they're like, but watch it again, but try this one.
02:01:39.000We're going to go to the members show, and I really do want to talk about colonization, because we're starting to get into the heat of what it means, and I think it'll be a fun conversation.
02:01:48.000So smash that like button if you haven't already.
02:02:37.000We did have one, I think it was the second episode, it was a guy who he enlisted his niece to go buy marijuana for him with her medical marijuana card.
02:02:48.000And then she went and did that, and then she gave the weed away on the way home to all of her friends and smoked it.
02:02:55.000So then he's suing her to recoup his drug money.