Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Biological ATTACK On Republican HQ In DC Sparks LOCKDOWN w-Chase Geiser | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 So today, the Republican National Headquarters in DC, was locked down after what they say was a biological attack.

00:00:21.000 Blood was sent to their headquarters, and of course, that's a serious issue.

00:00:26.000 So they ended up having to lock things down.

00:00:29.000 I don't know to what degree the blood may have been infected or contaminated or who knows, but things are certainly getting spicy in this country.

00:00:36.000 And we're kind of in this low period waiting for the results until next week of what's going on with this Trump trial and where we're currently at.

00:00:42.000 But we do have a bunch of news.

00:00:44.000 13 counties in Oregon have voted to secede and join Ohio.

00:00:48.000 I know this is particularly interesting.

00:00:49.000 We got another poll.

00:00:50.000 You're going to love this one.

00:00:50.000 40% of Americans, according to Marist, think civil war is coming.

00:00:55.000 And then more interestingly, Biden is not on the ballot in Ohio.

00:01:00.000 I kind of feel like this is the biggest story because it's been something we've been tracking.

00:01:05.000 And now they're saying it's too late.

00:01:08.000 Biden will not be able to get on the ballot.

00:01:11.000 They've not been able to get this rectified.

00:01:14.000 What does that mean?

00:01:15.000 Something weird is going on.

00:01:18.000 Now, there's political party members in the Democratic Party like, no, no, no, we're going to get him on the ballot.

00:01:23.000 Don't worry.

00:01:24.000 And it's just like, No, they said it's over.

00:01:27.000 So what does this mean that Biden isn't even on the ballot in Ohio?

00:01:30.000 They don't care about these swing states?

00:01:32.000 And then we got some pretty funny news.

00:01:34.000 Vivek Ramaswamy bought part of BuzzFeed.

00:01:37.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 He bought part of BuzzFeed, that's right.

00:01:42.000 Alright, he's gonna turn it around.

00:01:43.000 He's gonna make some money.

00:01:44.000 So we'll talk about all of this stuff.

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00:02:53.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Chase Geyser.

00:02:57.000 Hey, it's an honor and a pleasure to be here.

00:02:58.000 My name's Chase Geyser.

00:02:59.000 I am the author of The Rise of American Populism with a foreword by Alex Jones.

00:03:03.000 This is available for pre-order on Amazon, and it's the reason I reached out and asked to be here, and it's an honor and a pleasure to be here again.

00:03:09.000 I also host the Sunday Night Live show on InfoWars on Sunday nights from 6 to 8 p.m.

00:03:14.000 Central Time.

00:03:14.000 I work for Alex Jones in Austin, Texas every day.

00:03:17.000 Again, thank you so much for having me.

00:03:18.000 Absolutely.

00:03:19.000 We've got a lot hanging out.

00:03:20.000 Hey, what's up, everybody?

00:03:21.000 I'm Elad Eliyahu.

00:03:22.000 I'm a reporter here at TimCast News.

00:03:24.000 Chase, thanks for hanging out with us tonight.

00:03:25.000 What's up, Hannah-Claire?

00:03:26.000 Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.

00:03:27.000 I'm a writer for stnr.com at Scanner News.

00:03:30.000 It's pretty great.

00:03:31.000 Hi, Serge!

00:03:32.000 Hello, Hannah-Claire.

00:03:33.000 Hey, dudes.

00:03:33.000 Let's get into it, Tim.

00:03:35.000 The big news from the Daily Mail!

00:03:37.000 Republicans say they were victims of a biological attack after vials of blood were sent to RNC headquarters.

00:03:45.000 The RNC said its headquarters in D.C.

00:03:46.000 was targeted in a biological attack on Wednesday because of the blood.

00:03:49.000 After a suspicious package was found in the building, they temporarily locked it down and a hazmat team was dispatched to the scene.

00:03:56.000 He said, today vials of blood were sent to RNC headquarters in DC.

00:04:00.000 We are thankful to law enforcement who responded quickly and ensured everyone's safety.

00:04:05.000 Yo, that's what, how did they know it was blood?

00:04:07.000 The lockdown has been cleared and staff has resumed their office duties because we remain unintimidated and undeterred in our efforts to elect President Trump to the White House.

00:04:15.000 He added, this revolting attack comes on the heels of pro-Hamas protesters violently demonstrating on college campuses and deranged Biden supporters physically attacking our campaign volunteers for supporting President Trump.

00:04:28.000 While Republicans fight to strengthen our economy, secure our southern border and halt the violent crime in our communities, the fringe left is wreaking havoc, sowing fear and lying to the public in a bad faith effort to divide Americans and sway an election.

00:04:42.000 He says, no matter what violent tactics Biden's extreme left supporters try next, the RNC would stand firm in our mission to deliver greater freedom and opportunity for all Americans, and we won't back down.

00:04:51.000 Certainly lathering it on a bit thick there over getting a couple vials of blood, which is nasty and alarming, sure, but like...

00:05:01.000 You know, kind of making it seem like there was an assassination attempt on the president or something over this blood is, oh, that story.

00:05:07.000 How mad do you think the DNC was when they found out their adrenochrome went to the wrong headquarters?

00:05:11.000 I was going to say, some corner is really in trouble right now.

00:05:14.000 Or do you think they're just trying to lure some vampires to the RNC?

00:05:17.000 They're like, here guys, just go that way, hang out with the Republicans.

00:05:20.000 I mean, it does seem a little hysterical.

00:05:22.000 On the other hand, it could have been anything, and you don't really want random vials of blood showing up on your doorstep.

00:05:27.000 That's weird.

00:05:28.000 Why would someone do that?

00:05:29.000 Like, what is the thought process of sending blood to the RNC headquarters, right? 0.96

00:05:35.000 It could just be any lunatic.

00:05:36.000 I mean, my initial thought was, like, you know how during Blinken's testimony I say people were sitting there with, like, red paint on their hands for, like, the blood on your hands thing?

00:05:43.000 I wondered if it was a reference to something like that.

00:05:45.000 But, you know, I haven't Googled to see if the RNC headquarters next to, like, a Quest diagnostic.

00:05:50.000 What if it really was just something delivered to the wrong place?

00:05:52.000 If they run a DNA test on it and find out who it is.

00:05:55.000 It'll be interesting to see if we find out who sent them these vials.

00:05:59.000 We never found out who left the pipe bombs January 5th outside the DNC or RNC ever, so.

00:06:07.000 Doesn't look like they care much about these two buildings.

00:06:09.000 They don't care about either of these buildings, so... How much would you say that this is them just kind of hamming it up?

00:06:14.000 Or, like, the RNC, it's like, oh, it was a biological attack.

00:06:17.000 If it was going to be an attack, you'd think it would be like anthrax or something that was actually deadly.

00:06:21.000 I mean, who knows if these blood vials are even anything lethal?

00:06:24.000 I mean, they were in vials?

00:06:25.000 It's gross, but what's lethal about that?

00:06:27.000 It's not, like, dangerous.

00:06:28.000 Two vials of blood.

00:06:29.000 And, you know, and, yeah, I don't know.

00:06:32.000 People send all sorts of weird stuff to freak people out.

00:06:35.000 Maybe, maybe, I guess the issue is we would need to know what accompanied the blood vials.

00:06:40.000 Was there a letter saying, like, here is the blood that has stained your hands or something like this?

00:06:45.000 Or maybe it said something gross like diseased blood.

00:06:47.000 It's like two lab for testing for cholesterol like what if this really is just Like FedEx driver who's having the worst day?

00:06:56.000 He's being interrogated the police and he's like, I'm just really bad at my job It was a it was a 23 and me and they put the wrong the wrong.

00:07:04.000 Are you spitting those?

00:07:06.000 I don't care.

00:07:06.000 Somebody got it wrong.

00:07:07.000 You don't you don't take two full vials of your blood Some staffer accidentally got this mail to the wrong location or like oh, yeah, don't send it to my apartment send it to my job instead Well, I mean, with things like this, and with the rhetoric certainly escalating, what are we supposed to expect?

00:07:31.000 You know, what do you think, Chase, coming up in November?

00:07:34.000 Obviously, the narrative is no one's going to believe the results of the election.

00:07:39.000 And so With things like this, are we really looking at serious escalation of conflict?

00:07:46.000 What happens after the election?

00:07:48.000 Our Trump supporter's gonna be like, oh Biden won, that's cool.

00:07:50.000 Our Biden supporter's gonna be like, huh, Trump won.

00:07:53.000 Alright.

00:07:54.000 What first comes to mind is the summer of love and what happened after George Floyd.

00:07:58.000 I definitely foresee, at minimum, conflicts like that if Trump wins.

00:08:03.000 I see people going to the streets, burning buildings down, Democratic district attorneys or attorney generals maybe not prosecuting these people.

00:08:10.000 I definitely see violence and protests in the streets.

00:08:13.000 On that standpoint, now, if Biden wins, or whoever the Democratic candidate is, I'm still not 100% convinced that it's even going to be Biden.

00:08:19.000 Weird things like him not being on the ballot in certain states and this DNC thing coming up and it's going to be remote now imply to me that there's something weird going on with that.

00:08:27.000 But if Biden wins, I don't know if there's going to be violence or not.

00:08:31.000 I find it hard to believe that there won't be some major upheaval reminiscent of J6, though I do have a tendency to believe J6 was, in large, catalyzed by feds.

00:08:43.000 I think that regardless of what happens in 2024, it's either going to be 28 or 32.

00:08:49.000 Because, you know, we talked a little bit about this before the show, and it's something that we had talked about last night on the show.

00:08:55.000 The silent and boomer generations are a stabilizing force right now in the country. 1.00

00:09:00.000 And one of the main reasons people say things like, oh, Twitter is not real life.

00:09:04.000 It's only because older people are less likely to be using it.

00:09:07.000 So the opinions and the fights you get into are typically among younger people.

00:09:11.000 Then you walk outside and the businesses run by boomers don't behave these ways. 1.00

00:09:15.000 But imagine that purple-haired woke leftist on X who's arguing with you turns 45, gets promoted to that job level.

00:09:25.000 I mean, we talked about this with Bud Light.

00:09:27.000 When the Bud Light thing happened, I said, My prediction is it's going to be some millennial woman who got promoted to marketing and decided to go this route. 1.00

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 And then all of a sudden you get the Dylan Mulvaney beer can.

00:09:40.000 When the older generation is out of politics, imagine what it's going to be like when AOC is Speaker of the House.

00:09:46.000 Right. 0.95

00:09:46.000 She's going to be like, we won't bring any bill to the floor that's Trump because Trump's a white supremacist. 0.95

00:09:51.000 And then you're going to have someone being like, you know, we should cut taxes and they're going to bet you're a Nazi. 0.94

00:09:55.000 Well, what do you think about this?

00:09:56.000 I mean, traditionally we've thought, I mean, there's that old expression, if you're young and you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart. 0.78

00:10:01.000 And if you're old and you're not conservative, you don't have a brain.

00:10:03.000 And regardless of the veracity of that expression.

00:10:07.000 Traditionally, people, as they get older and have families, they become more conservative and have more conservative values.

00:10:11.000 Do you think it's not going to happen this time with the way the demographic is? 0.99

00:10:14.000 I mean, do you think that the leftists who are 25 now, when they're 35 or 45, aren't going to become more conservative in the way that maybe demographics have in the past?

00:10:21.000 Yeah, I think that saying is silly.

00:10:24.000 I understand why people say it.

00:10:25.000 It's because of historical trends.

00:10:27.000 Right. 0.99

00:10:27.000 But what the real saying implies is, when you're young you are dumb, and then you realize how the world works. 0.99

00:10:33.000 Right. 0.99

00:10:33.000 So, they say you have no heart. 0.99

00:10:35.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:10:35.000 It's like, the implication is that your dad is strict with you because he has no heart. 0.87

00:10:41.000 No, of course not.

00:10:42.000 Your parents will be strict and tell you, you are grounded.

00:10:46.000 You can't go out after 10 because you were caught smoking pot with your friends because they care about you.

00:10:51.000 So this idea that Democrats, like, you've got Democrats trying to be the cool parent, being like, we're gonna legalize drugs, you can do whatever you want, abortion up to the point of birth or whatever.

00:10:59.000 They don't care about you when they do that.

00:11:01.000 That's not what someone who actually cares about you does.

00:11:03.000 So this idea that they say, if you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart.

00:11:08.000 And if you're not conservative when you're old, you have no head.

00:11:10.000 That's what they say.

00:11:11.000 Yeah, no.

00:11:13.000 The real issues of conservatism, that saying is to imply, when you get older, you become cold and callous, but calculating. 1.00

00:11:23.000 And when you're younger, you're loving, but a little stupid. 1.00

00:11:26.000 Right. 1.00

00:11:27.000 The reality is, the conservative policies are based on helping people survive.

00:11:32.000 I agree with you.

00:11:33.000 And live better.

00:11:34.000 I'm just curious as to whether or not the left is going to shift to the right as it ages in this country.

00:11:39.000 So I would say no. 0.84

00:11:41.000 There are people who are probably default liberal, as Breitbart would refer to them, who will go, oh, hey, whoa, I was voting for dumb things.

00:11:49.000 And then they will start voting conservative.

00:11:51.000 But these people aren't leftists as it is.

00:11:53.000 They're normies.

00:11:55.000 The left, people like AOC, she's not going to become conservative.

00:11:58.000 Nothing's going to change.

00:11:59.000 She's already the kind of person Where, when there's a failure of government that she implements, she then blames the Republicans and corporations, and then implements more failed policies, and that is the MO of the progressive leftist politician. 0.93

00:12:14.000 So, for people like her, these kids at these universities that are protesting, these camps, they don't actually care about Israel.

00:12:21.000 Some do, I'm sure.

00:12:23.000 Most of them don't.

00:12:24.000 It's just the current, you know, cause of the day.

00:12:27.000 As Phil likes to point out, The cause is always the revolution.

00:12:31.000 Those people aren't going to just change.

00:12:33.000 They're not going to one day be like, oh man, wow, like we were out here with, we set up the people's library.

00:12:40.000 I should have charged money for that! 0.86

00:12:42.000 That's not going to happen.

00:12:43.000 For normies who vote Democrat because they don't pay attention, sure, those people are going to vote conservative.

00:12:49.000 But for the most part, what you will see then is There's going to be a lot of people shifting to the right, and we're seeing it right now already.

00:12:58.000 Younger people are moving towards Trump, but there still is a hyperpolarization.

00:13:02.000 I think you'll get a larger percentage of people moving towards the Trump side of things, the MAGA side of things, because it's closer to what Americans want and expect.

00:13:09.000 But the far left are being radicalized on the internet, and they're building a cult base.

00:13:12.000 So they will have a fringe but large block.

00:13:16.000 When boomers age out, you know, retire, they are retiring, but then also just no longer vote because they've gone to the great beyond, as with the silent generation, the way I describe it is, Imagine you have a sheet of paper and the older generation is up top and the younger generation is at the bottom, but we've split the younger generation. 0.99

00:13:36.000 We're peeling the paper from the bottom up.

00:13:39.000 As everyone ages and moves off the paper, you're splitting it and eventually you end up with two separate sheets that don't go together anymore.

00:13:47.000 So right now, the top of the page, it's two of five generations have political views that are similar.

00:13:53.000 But the younger generations are further and further bifurcated.

00:13:57.000 Right.

00:13:59.000 What happens when that split goes all the way to the top?

00:14:02.000 Now you have the United States of America, and then you have Wokistan. 0.93

00:14:07.000 Do you think the party identities were as big a deal for previous generations, let's say a hundred years ago?

00:14:14.000 I feel like now, one of the reasons someone wouldn't change, as soon as they decide they're a progressive Democrat, they'll be one forever, is because they can't Separate it from their own sense of identity.

00:14:25.000 Sure.

00:14:25.000 Well, I think there have been studies that have been done.

00:14:27.000 Traditionally in America, parents would rather have their children marry someone of the same religion in a different political party persuasion.

00:14:36.000 And that's shifted, I believe, over the course of the last several years to parents would actually rather have their children marry someone who's a different religion as long as they're part of the same political persuasion.

00:14:44.000 It's a big mark of our identity now.

00:14:47.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:14:49.000 So I do think that The political persuasion shift is much more difficult.

00:14:54.000 What about, like, Hellenistic religion?

00:14:56.000 Maybe that goes a little too far.

00:14:57.000 Oh, you worship Zeus?

00:14:59.000 Yeah.

00:15:00.000 But which way are you voting, though?

00:15:02.000 Yeah, as long as you don't vote for Tacitus.

00:15:07.000 Let's jump to the story from The Blaze.

00:15:10.000 Biden is currently not slated to be on the Ohio ballot in November, and state lawmakers didn't bother to fix the issue.

00:15:16.000 I mean, that's the story.

00:15:18.000 The Democrats are claiming, don't worry, we'll figure it out, he'll get on the ballot.

00:15:22.000 But the legislature of Ohio could not come to a decision as to how to solve the problem.

00:15:27.000 You have to certify the nominees 90 days before election day to get on the ballot, but because of when they're doing the convention, It's 75 days.

00:15:36.000 They don't have enough time to actually get him on the ballot.

00:15:39.000 Now, they said, OK, let's let's just deal with this at the legislative level to get the sitting president on the ballot.

00:15:44.000 And then they could not agree.

00:15:46.000 They couldn't figure out how to actually do it.

00:15:48.000 And some states, because of partisanship, Republicans were saying, no, we don't want to do that.

00:15:51.000 Democrats were like, then do this.

00:15:52.000 And they said no.

00:15:53.000 So there's no Biden in Ohio.

00:15:55.000 And that's a big swing state, too, right?

00:15:57.000 It's a big swing state.

00:15:58.000 It's an important one.

00:15:59.000 Now, it is leaning Trump.

00:16:00.000 According to all the polls.

00:16:02.000 Why did the DNC, who sets their calendar for their convention, not think this one through?

00:16:06.000 Like, they're blaming Ohio, but I don't understand why the DNC picked the dates that it did.

00:16:12.000 Surely they went to all the states that were important and be like, when do we need to know?

00:16:16.000 When do we need to submit that name?

00:16:17.000 You tell me.

00:16:17.000 Like, why are we blaming the state lawmakers in Ohio who had an established rule when the DNC schedules their convention?

00:16:25.000 This doesn't make sense to me.

00:16:27.000 It was a choice.

00:16:28.000 Something is weird.

00:16:30.000 Something weird is going on.

00:16:33.000 Doesn't it seem odd that the DNC would pick a date that's after an important swing state can put Biden on the ballot?

00:16:39.000 They don't care.

00:16:44.000 Is this indicative of a shadow campaign where Democrats are so confident they're going to win they don't need Ohio?

00:16:49.000 Oh, man, that's so reckless.

00:16:51.000 That's so reckless.

00:16:51.000 Well, it's weird, too, because Gavin Newsom has been in the news the last week or couple of weeks, I've noticed, talking about some autobiography that he's apparently been working on for four years.

00:17:00.000 But he's just— If he comes out with a book, though, do you think they're going to try to slide him in, or is that just too much of a stretch?

00:17:05.000 Maybe, but he's just like a leftist Romney, you know what I mean?

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 He doesn't— He can put a sentence together, though.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, but I suppose it's fair to say... He does look like Romney.

00:17:14.000 Yeah, he's like a leftist Romney.

00:17:16.000 Pat Bateman and Romney had a baby.

00:17:18.000 Server boy Romney.

00:17:19.000 If they're going shadow campaign route, universal mail-in votes and ballot harvesting, they don't care if it's Biden or Newsom.

00:17:25.000 Right, it doesn't matter.

00:17:26.000 It doesn't matter.

00:17:27.000 And I suppose the issue is maybe they don't care if Biden's on the ballot because they're ballot harvesting and they'll just get five million write-ins or something.

00:17:35.000 All in the same exact font.

00:17:37.000 It's with the same pen.

00:17:39.000 One old man... Did you use papyrus? 0.98

00:17:41.000 One guy walks out of a... Were you watching Avatar?

00:17:44.000 One guy walks out of a nursing home and he's got one massive right forearm and a pen in his hand.

00:17:48.000 It's that guy I've been signing for three months.

00:17:53.000 I don't think this is going to go anywhere.

00:17:54.000 I think they're going to make an exception for Joe Biden in a few weeks.

00:17:56.000 This won't be a story.

00:17:58.000 That's reasonable.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, that's where I think this is going.

00:17:59.000 That's reasonable.

00:18:01.000 Otherwise, they'll say, oh, the Ohio Republicans are obstructing democracy by taking the sitting president off of the ballot there.

00:18:07.000 Okay, but maybe.

00:18:09.000 But maybe then the Republicans say the Democrats pulled strings to cheat in the rules to get Biden listed when they screwed it up.

00:18:15.000 Totally.

00:18:15.000 Also, it would screw Democrats down ballot, which even if Joe Biden, I don't think he's really in play for Ohio, but down ballot is where it would matter.

00:18:22.000 And no, they're going to give him a workaround now.

00:18:26.000 I agree, but understand that means Republicans then say Democrats broke the rules, changed the rules, and then put their guy on even though it broke the law.

00:18:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:36.000 This could open the door if Biden wins Ohio for massive lawsuits to say that they cheated and they altered the forms outside of the laws of the state.

00:18:47.000 Hopefully we'll give the RFK Jr.

00:18:48.000 campaign more lawsuits and things to complain about, too, because I know they're trying to keep him on the balance across the country.

00:18:54.000 No, why are you ragging on RFK?

00:18:56.000 No, RFK Jr., hey!

00:18:57.000 No, I think it really is going to reflect badly on the DNC, right?

00:19:01.000 The DNC sets the date of their convention, so they can say Ohio and their laws and whatever, but they pick the date that they did, which either means they don't care, they think they should have an exception to the rule, which shows incredible arrogance, or...

00:19:12.000 this is a consistent issue they've had. They've decided that they are changing how they're

00:19:17.000 operating and everyone must conform to the will. Remember, they changed their primary schedule

00:19:21.000 instead of going with First Nation New Hampshire. They were like South Carolina. 0.79

00:19:25.000 And then Bernie won in 2016 and they just said, no, Hillary won. 0.87

00:19:28.000 Yeah. I mean, I think that there are probably a pocket. I don't know how many,

00:19:31.000 but there are probably some, you know, think of like the blue dog Democrats. People are still

00:19:36.000 part of the party, but aren't sort of necessarily progressive who are looking at the party change

00:19:40.000 and alter their rules constantly who are like, what are you guys doing?

00:19:43.000 You didn't catch this?

00:19:45.000 There were Democrats in New Hampshire who were like, Hey, we gotta have a writing campaign to make sure, because Biden wasn't even on the New Hampshire primary ballot during the time, because they were like, we don't care about New Hampshire.

00:19:56.000 South Carolina, which by the way, he won handily, even though he lost to New Hampshire.

00:19:59.000 I mean, there's a reason they're doing what they're doing, but I think it separates the voters from the DNC as an organization.

00:20:06.000 There's like some 26-year-old and a couple of 20-year-old interns that are told by the DNC, like, you guys are going to be in charge of making sure the paperwork's in line so we can file in these states.

00:20:17.000 And they're just sitting in the room with their feet up, like, spinning in their office chairs, not paying attention, being like, I don't know, I don't really care about Biden, do you?

00:20:23.000 I just think it's bizarre that you would want to have your convention 75 days before the general election.

00:20:29.000 I mean, that is, like, no time.

00:20:30.000 Right?

00:20:31.000 And if Joe Biden is kept off the ballot, then, you know, if he loses, they'll say that the Republicans stole the election.

00:20:37.000 It gives the other side less time to investigate, too.

00:20:40.000 You know, this is the rubric for down the line if something goes wrong.

00:20:43.000 Oh, look, we weren't on the ballot in Ohio, that we probably weren't going to win anyway.

00:20:46.000 And it was Republicans in the state legislature who blocked us.

00:20:49.000 Even though our party set the convention two years in advance.

00:20:53.000 No, it's not going to matter.

00:20:54.000 Everyone's going to blame everybody else no matter what happens come November.

00:20:57.000 Yeah.

00:20:57.000 And it's going to be everybody else's fault.

00:21:00.000 It will be.

00:21:01.000 I don't see a resolution.

00:21:03.000 I don't...

00:21:07.000 Look, man, you put a little puzzle in front of me and I'll work to figure it out and be like, oh, that makes sense.

00:21:13.000 You give me a jigsaw puzzle, I'll start putting the edges together and figure out what the picture is.

00:21:17.000 I don't know what the picture is for November.

00:21:19.000 I guess the only thing we can conclude is, no matter what happens, no one agrees.

00:21:25.000 Like, Biden wins?

00:21:26.000 No way.

00:21:27.000 Trump wins?

00:21:28.000 No way.

00:21:29.000 And maybe that's the complete picture.

00:21:32.000 It's a Jackson Pollock painting.

00:21:34.000 I can't think of an instance in history when things have been this corrupt in any civilization.

00:21:39.000 I'm by no means an expert where that level of corruption has been reversed peacefully.

00:21:43.000 Ah yes.

00:21:44.000 And that's really a challenging thing for me to wrap my head around.

00:21:47.000 I think it's inevitable that the loser of the upcoming election will have like a certain percent of their base that no matter what happens will say the election was stolen if they lost.

00:21:55.000 I think we would see another January 6th like event if Trump lost.

00:22:00.000 I think there's going to be people who do the not my president stuff with Trump if he wins.

00:22:04.000 Um, so either way.

00:22:06.000 They teased it in 2016, too, because Hillary basically denied the- did she ever even concede the election in 2016?

00:22:12.000 She did concede.

00:22:13.000 Yeah.

00:22:13.000 But then she immediately started saying, he's a Russian agent, it's illegitimate, the Russians stole it from me.

00:22:18.000 Illegitimate was the word they used, not an election.

00:22:19.000 I think she said she won, didn't she?

00:22:21.000 What did she say in that?

00:22:23.000 She's like, you could do everything right.

00:22:25.000 She won the popular vote.

00:22:25.000 And I could be taken away from you or something like that.

00:22:28.000 I also believe there was a certain amount of Democrats who chose not to certify that election as well, with Trump coming in.

00:22:34.000 It wasn't an amount to do anything significant.

00:22:38.000 Symbolic.

00:22:40.000 I just saw a video of Keith Olbermann in 2004 saying that that election was stolen.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, I mean, if you lose, they're gonna call it stolen.

00:22:47.000 Haven't Democrats claimed every Republican win has been stolen?

00:22:50.000 I used to see them on ESPN.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, if you lose, they're gonna call it stolen.

00:22:55.000 I just pulled this NPR headline that says, Clinton won't rule out, this is from September 2017, Clinton won't rule out questioning the 2016 election, but says no clear means to do so.

00:23:04.000 So like, she was always saying, well, maybe there was something, maybe we should look into this, even though this is not something Republicans are allowed to do.

00:23:11.000 I mean, that was a year afterwards, almost. 0.67

00:23:14.000 The hypocrisy.

00:23:15.000 I like to think back, I'm imagining 2016, and I wanted to say something like, I remember the good old days, 2016, and then I'm just thinking about, like, you know, Obama killing people, and I was like, yeah, it's been pretty bad since, like, 2000, it's been getting worse.

00:23:31.000 Yes.

00:23:32.000 Since 9-11, everything's gotten worse.

00:23:34.000 On the right and the left.

00:23:34.000 Right.

00:23:35.000 I mean, if you look at the right-wing sponsors, I know the left-wing sponsored it too, but the Patriot Act, a lot of these The Warhawks, a lot of neocon stuff was problematic too.

00:23:43.000 And that's like the whole thing that, the whole realization that I had was that it's not, I used to always think the Republicans were better than the Democrats because I was a capitalist who believed in American values.

00:23:54.000 And the fact of the matter is they both increase spending, they both increase inflation, which disproportionately impacts the most vulnerable among us and makes the rich richer because the stock market explodes when inflation happens and they're the only ones with money in the market.

00:24:07.000 And they both fuck the American people over and over again, and that's why I think the people are becoming populist, because they're realizing that it's not about Republicans versus Democrats, but it's about the people versus the law.

00:24:17.000 Well, I think the people have always been populist. 0.99

00:24:19.000 But I think the issue is they didn't have a vehicle for it.

00:24:21.000 Yes.

00:24:21.000 And so, you know, I talked to Bannon about this with Occupy Wall Street.

00:24:27.000 When Occupy Wall Street first started, it was a general grievance against big banks and government bailouts.

00:24:32.000 And then the right insulted the people who went there, and so the left latched onto it.

00:24:39.000 And what was a general, neutral, moderate, populist beginning, Within a week or two turned into leftist college trust fund kids.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 The first weekend I was there, there's this elderly couple in their 60s sitting on a couch with an American flag and they're like, we're here because the government is screwing over the working class.

00:24:57.000 Big ol' American flag. 0.96

00:24:59.000 And then I'm like, why is it that Breitbart immediately starts insulting these people, Hannity immediately starts insulting these people, the libertarian-minded and conservative-minded individuals who are there immediately leave, and the leftists celebrate their victory, and then Occupy Wall Street turned into weird, woke garbage?

00:25:16.000 So I remember when Occupy first happens, Hannity is just going nuts insulting everything Occupy's doing. 0.96

00:25:23.000 I fell for it.

00:25:24.000 I remember I was in college.

00:25:25.000 I was so upset about Occupy Wall Street because I was an un-ran capitalist guy, you know? 1.00

00:25:29.000 I was just an idiot kid. 0.94

00:25:30.000 Yeah, and I mentioned to Ben and I was like, dude, if when Occupy Wall Street started that first week, you showed up with the Breitbart populace, right? 0.99

00:25:38.000 It would have been a unified front.

00:25:40.000 Bannon, I was like, you could have walked down there and said, tax the rich, and they all would have cheered, and it would have united Tea Party and Occupy.

00:25:48.000 Because Occupy wasn't leftist.

00:25:50.000 When it started, it was... Look, man, I gotta tell you, leftists are better than the right at organizing and revolution and all this stuff.

00:25:59.000 Occupy Wall Street was vague and nebulous.

00:26:01.000 There was something called Operation Empire State Rebellion that was being organized on 4chan, and that was related in general to government bailouts, government overreach, the corruption in government in general.

00:26:16.000 Occupy Wall Street was announced by leftists, fair, but what happens is the people who want to show up to protest big banks don't care about Democrat or Republican.

00:26:25.000 This was during the Obama years.

00:26:26.000 Right, right after this major crash which impacted everybody.

00:26:29.000 Right, and so it was general, the government is screwing us over, the banks are screwing us over, the ballots are screwing us over, and it was a prime opportunity for people on the right to come in and join with moderate default left liberal individuals.

00:26:42.000 A month before Occupy, leftists held an organizing meeting to make sure it operated under their control.

00:26:50.000 That first week, when people showed up, It was random people. There was one guy who was like the

00:26:56.000 most democrat looking guy you can imagine arguing with anarchists. Like I mentioned, there was the

00:26:59.000 elderly with the American flag saying we're just here for America, that kind of sentiment.

00:27:05.000 But then you end up with people like Breitbart and that crew immediately just disregarding

00:27:12.000 everything they were doing.

00:27:14.000 It's crazy because the left planned, as you're suggesting in that pre-meeting, to control the movement, but it was actually the right-wing outlets that alienated the right base.

00:27:25.000 It's both.

00:27:26.000 Fascinating.

00:27:27.000 One of the reasons why the left organized this was to make sure that the likes of Breitbart and the populist right wouldn't go anywhere near it.

00:27:34.000 They knew who the Tea Party was.

00:27:36.000 When we went to a Tea Party event, me and a bunch of the other people who were on the ground covering the stuff got word that Occupy people wanted to go check out a Tea Party thing and see what they were doing.

00:27:50.000 And there were two or three instances where there were Tea Party rallies and Occupy people showed up to watch and listen to what people were saying.

00:27:56.000 So they knew exactly what was going on.

00:27:58.000 They knew exactly what the Tea Party was upset about.

00:28:00.000 And the people who organized to take over Occupy were elitist, NGO, funded by Open Society Foundation, things like that.

00:28:12.000 I remember that video where Breitbart's screaming at the protesters at CPAC, you're all animals, you're all animals.

00:28:16.000 And I'm like, but those were the leftists who took over Occupy.

00:28:19.000 And I'm just like, I wish Bannon showed up on day one of Occupy and just said, look, I'm not here to argue about left, right, up, down, or otherwise.

00:28:27.000 I'm here to say the rich are screwing over the American people.

00:28:30.000 And then you would have had the Tea Party and Occupy as one populist front.

00:28:32.000 Whatever happened to the Tea Party?

00:28:34.000 Why did it just vanish out of nowhere?

00:28:35.000 I don't know.

00:28:36.000 It was like a major threat, right?

00:28:37.000 There was going to be this major schism in the Republican Party and then all of a sudden nobody said Tea Party again for like 10 years until they started referring to it historically.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, I think they had their moment for a little bit, but then they kind of got appropriated and just kind of eaten by the party.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, I was going to say, I felt like they got blended back in because there wasn't clear direction and leadership to completely split off.

00:28:57.000 You know what's crazy, Tim, about what you were saying about demographic shifts with the boomers dying is that it's not only going to impact the entire political landscape, but I think it's going to disproportionately impact the Republican Party.

00:29:07.000 Because a lot of the Boomer base and the Silent Generation base are conservative-leaning, so when they're gone, all that's going to be left are the MAGA Republicans or the Populist Republicans. 0.83

00:29:16.000 I mean, do you foresee almost like a rejuvenation or a radicalization of the Republican Party as a result of this?

00:29:22.000 I think we're seeing a rejuvenation and an explosion of the Libertarian Party.

00:29:27.000 So this weekend, Well, we got RFK.

00:29:31.000 RFK Jr.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 You've got, uh, Vivek's gonna be there.

00:29:34.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 Trump is gonna be there.

00:29:36.000 Ron Paul is gonna be there.

00:29:36.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 This is going to be the biggest political, uh, let's call it a bonanza.

00:29:44.000 Because you say political party, people don't get it.

00:29:45.000 But I'm like, this is like, if you, if you work in politics, Culture, news, political commentary, pundit, PAX, it's in D.C.

00:29:54.000 You're there.

00:29:56.000 Everyone's going to be there except Democrats, right?

00:29:59.000 So it's almost like if the older Republicans end up leaving, there's going to be an interesting overlap, a much bigger overlap between the Libertarian Party with like the Mises Caucus and the Republican Party. 0.85

00:30:12.000 Right now I think With the Libertarian Party of the Mises Caucus, these guys, they're not fans of the Republicans because the Republicans are, you got a whole bunch of Uniparty establishment garbage. 0.94

00:30:21.000 But to your point, when the older generations are gone, and the younger guys are more MAGA, then it's gonna be like a lot more Libertarian people are gonna have...

00:30:30.000 Overlap with the Republicans, it might actually, it might be significant.

00:30:34.000 Do you think that at that point the Republican Party, still being a stronger, more organized force than the Libertarian Party, will absorb the Libertarian Party?

00:30:41.000 No, no, no, but they'll absorb probably a lot of people from the Libertarian Party.

00:30:45.000 This is why Trump is speaking there.

00:30:46.000 Because he sees that I mean, he said something about it already, where it's like, I can't remember what he said, but he said something about it when they announced he was speaking there.

00:30:56.000 I think his pitch is really simple.

00:30:58.000 You go to the Libertarians and you say, I didn't start any wars!

00:31:02.000 I'm gonna protect your guns.

00:31:04.000 Alright?

00:31:06.000 That's all I can do for you.

00:31:07.000 If that's good enough, some of you might vote for me, some of you might not, but let's not let the Democrats win.

00:31:11.000 I think the Libertarian Party was a nice experiment, but now it is essentially, electorally, just an asset for the Democrats.

00:31:18.000 They just take a couple of points away from Republicans in states that they can win.

00:31:22.000 I think it's actually been an issue in a few states, including West Virginia, where we're at now. 0.98

00:31:27.000 Unfortunately, I think the direction of the Libertarian Party also kind of sucks.

00:31:32.000 I think we all had a little libertarian phase that we grew out of. 0.75

00:31:34.000 I think the Libertarian Party used to be angled more about loving guns, being against legalizing weed, but now it's turning into something that's anti-NATO.

00:31:46.000 Right, but this argument that the Republicans would win if not for the Libertarian Party is just not true.

00:31:51.000 In some elections, for sure they do.

00:31:53.000 Absolutely not true.

00:31:54.000 Didn't Joe Jorgensen, didn't she have enough votes in a couple of the swing states last time?

00:31:57.000 Joe Jorgensen was a woke leftist.

00:31:59.000 I understand, but she ran as a Libertarian candidate. 0.98

00:32:01.000 Exactly, so in what world do woke leftists vote Republican when the Libertarian Party doesn't exist?

00:32:05.000 Oh, there you go.

00:32:06.000 I think the Libertarian Party needs to be a part of the Republican Party.

00:32:10.000 But the Libertarians don't like Republicans.

00:32:13.000 This is the craziest thing to me.

00:32:15.000 You spend ten minutes with a Libertarian and you're like, these people are not Republicans.

00:32:20.000 They will not vote Republican.

00:32:21.000 Dude, you've got people... Austin Peterson is giving an interview and he says something about, like, we don't want people selling heroin to children and they go, boo!

00:32:33.000 But in the same vein, the Democratic Socialists of America are barely Democrats, but they're still Democrats, although they are Socialists, and, you know, there's no consensus in the Democrat Party on a lot of the issues that they talk about.

00:32:44.000 So just like they're a part of the Democrat Party, there needs to be the... I think libertarians are more mixed than that.

00:32:49.000 The Democratic Socialists are the Democrats' version of MAGA.

00:32:53.000 Right?

00:32:54.000 Um, yes.

00:32:56.000 The Republican Party has the MAGA elements.

00:32:57.000 Yes, because the Bernie voters, when they were pissed about Bernie getting the elections stolen from him in the primary in 2016, a lot of them went Trump.

00:33:05.000 Right, so 9 million Democrats voted for Trump.

00:33:08.000 Democratic Socialists voted for Donald Trump.

00:33:10.000 MAGA, right populist, is the insurgent force in the Republican Party, and the Democratic Socialists are the insurgent force in the Democrat Party.

00:33:19.000 Libertarians don't like either of them, and it is a mistake people make when they think if the Libertarian Party didn't exist, Republicans would win.

00:33:26.000 Dude, there's a reason why Dave Smith is on Fox News ragging on Trump.

00:33:33.000 Not gonna vote for Trump.

00:33:34.000 There's a reason why there is a Libertarian party.

00:33:37.000 Because they're electorally immature, is what I would say.

00:33:39.000 That's why people like Dave Smith go on Fox News and rag on people like Trump.

00:33:43.000 He doesn't like Trump!

00:33:44.000 I know, but when it comes down to it, you really have to choose between Joe Biden and President Trump.

00:33:48.000 Well, Libertarians are less Machiavellian, though.

00:33:50.000 They're not willing to vote for a lesser of two evils.

00:33:53.000 Again, you don't understand Libertarians' views.

00:33:57.000 Okay, imagine this.

00:33:59.000 Imagine saying, why aren't Democrats voting for Trump?

00:34:02.000 Why aren't Democrats voting for Trump? 0.98

00:34:04.000 Because they think Trump's a fascist.

00:34:06.000 And this is why Libertarians don't want to vote for Trump.

00:34:08.000 But do they see a difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump?

00:34:11.000 No.

00:34:12.000 That's wild.

00:34:14.000 It's like saying, why aren't Democrats voting for Joe Biden?

00:34:16.000 It's very counterintuitive, but I think he's right.

00:34:18.000 The reason why Trump wants to speak to the LP National is because he thinks there's now, I'm assuming with the Mises caucus, there is enough, a small number that would be willing to vote for Trump.

00:34:30.000 He may be able to move them.

00:34:32.000 The majority of libertarians are not Republicans.

00:34:36.000 Many of them are woke.

00:34:38.000 Did you see what Louisiana's Libertarian Party posted?

00:34:40.000 Guns for illegal immigrants? 0.99

00:34:43.000 Like, Yeah, there's no way those people are voting for Republicans.

00:34:46.000 I think because Libertarians can't see a difference between somebody like Joe Biden and Donald Trump is why these guys need to grow up.

00:34:52.000 The whole party, the whole Libertarian party needs to be abolished.

00:34:55.000 If you can't see a difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, maybe that's why you guys are allergic to winning any elections.

00:35:00.000 But again, I don't think you understand, right?

00:35:02.000 They don't win any elections.

00:35:05.000 They're electorally irrelevant, and they just exist to kind of run their mouths.

00:35:09.000 Because, again, they don't have to appeal to people electorally, and they can just take a couple of points away from Republicans.

00:35:13.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:35:14.000 There are no expectations.

00:35:15.000 Once again, Elad.

00:35:17.000 They are not taking points away from Republicans.

00:35:20.000 The idea that Joe Jorgensen, who said, quote, it is not enough to be, to oppose racism.

00:35:26.000 What did you say?

00:35:27.000 It is not enough to be anti-racist.

00:35:30.000 What's this?

00:35:30.000 What's the, I tried to.

00:35:31.000 It's not enough to oppose racism.

00:35:32.000 You must be anti-racist.

00:35:33.000 You must be actively anti-racist.

00:35:34.000 Right.

00:35:35.000 Joe Jorgensen tweeted that.

00:35:37.000 But the Mises Caucus are the people who run.

00:35:38.000 Literally woke leftism.

00:35:39.000 The Mises Caucus is who's in charge of the Libertarian Party now.

00:35:42.000 They just took over.

00:35:42.000 Yeah.

00:35:43.000 And while many of them will have a sound, reasonable debate about Donald Trump and the things that they do agree with, that's like saying Republicans agree with Joe Biden on getting rid of ATM fees that screw over the working class.

00:35:56.000 Well, you gotta get rid of those ATM fees when it comes out that your son took out $1.6 million in cash from ATMs.

00:36:01.000 Did you see that today?

00:36:02.000 Right, I agree.

00:36:03.000 How much time and minutes would that take?

00:36:05.000 I agree with Joe Biden.

00:36:07.000 Joe Biden said the bank charging people these junk fees are screwing over the class.

00:36:12.000 I will never vote for that man.

00:36:13.000 And the idea that because Donald Trump is likely better on guns, libertarians who are concerned that Donald Trump increased drone strikes removed the transparency from drone strikes, authorized

00:36:25.000 commando raids in places like Yemen, backed the Saudis in their strikes in Yemen, which was 100,000

00:36:31.000 dead children in Yemen, the fact that Donald Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into

00:36:35.000 Syria, they will not vote for that. 0.67

00:36:37.000 Now, that being said, I do think from a realist perspective, if you look at Trump's foreign policy

00:36:45.000 holistically, it's the best foreign policy of my life.

00:36:48.000 So yes, everything I said was true about Trump.

00:36:50.000 What he did was we had the Abraham Accords. 0.76

00:36:52.000 We had Donald Trump crossing into North Korea through the DMZ with no security detail in a sign of peace and goodwill with an enemy nation.

00:37:00.000 That's the kind of stuff we need.

00:37:01.000 That's leadership.

00:37:02.000 The Abraham Accords, I think, were absolutely tremendous.

00:37:04.000 Dave Smith disagrees.

00:37:06.000 Dave Smith said that, and I hate to argue for him because he's not here and he could say it better, but he said...

00:37:12.000 The Abraham Accords isolated Palestine, Hamas, and put pressure on them. 0.94

00:37:18.000 The attack we saw on October 7th was inevitable because the Abraham Accords basically said, we have cut you out of negotiations. 0.75

00:37:27.000 So this is the kind of pressure that results in cut.

00:37:30.000 I do think that argument is silly because it's the idea of like, we shouldn't negotiate peace because other people might get mad.

00:37:36.000 But his position is, Trump did a bad thing there.

00:37:38.000 I don't agree with that.

00:37:40.000 People keep saying over and over again, if it weren't for the Libertarian Party, Republicans would win, and I'm like, it sounds like you've not met Libertarians.

00:37:47.000 The guy, at a Libertarian convention, a guy ripped his clothes off and got naked on stage.

00:37:54.000 Is that guy going to vote Republican? 1.00

00:37:56.000 It's ridiculous. 0.91

00:37:57.000 And the fact that you have woke libertarians, one of the guys running for the Libertarian Party president is super woke. 0.85

00:38:02.000 Climate change, all that stuff.

00:38:04.000 These people aren't going to vote for the Republicans.

00:38:05.000 They all collectively just don't like Republicans or Democrats.

00:38:09.000 And they have their own worldviews that are competing with each other.

00:38:12.000 When you look at Jonathan Haidt's research on the moral foundations...

00:38:15.000 You find that Democrats, this is what they claim, Democrats have care and fairness, Republicans are balanced across the board, and Libertarians have one moral foundation.

00:38:24.000 And you know what it is?

00:38:25.000 Liberty.

00:38:26.000 And that's disgusting.

00:38:27.000 Liberty's fantastic, don't get me wrong.

00:38:29.000 Take the Moral Foundations Test, and I'll give you one of the questions pertaining to the Liberty Moral Foundation.

00:38:38.000 People should be allowed to have adult toys modeled after their underage niece. 0.73

00:38:43.000 It's one of the questions that they ask on the Moral Foundations Test.

00:38:46.000 Libertarians say yes.

00:38:47.000 Are those people voting for Republicans?

00:38:53.000 You take the, what is it, like IDR Labs or whatever, Moral Foundations Test, that's one of the questions it asks.

00:38:59.000 It's a good question.

00:39:01.000 I mean, it gets to the point.

00:39:02.000 It gets to the point of purity, which is something conservatives believe in.

00:39:08.000 It's related to cleanliness, avoiding disease.

00:39:10.000 Liberals do not have that moral foundation.

00:39:13.000 Libertarians do not have that moral foundation.

00:39:15.000 Libertarians only care as long as there's no harm being done to a person, it's allowed.

00:39:21.000 As long as no one's rights are being violated, it must be allowed.

00:39:23.000 And I'm kind of like, we should never allow a business to do that.

00:39:25.000 So like AI child porn. 0.98

00:39:26.000 AI child porn would be an example, right? 1.00

00:39:27.000 A crime. 0.94

00:39:27.000 Libertarians would say, you can make as much AI child porn as you want, it's not harming any real person. 0.94

00:39:32.000 Conservatives would be like, ugh.

00:39:33.000 I think at the end of the day, because you are electorally irrelevant, you could have these purist positions on a lot of these issues and say, you know, no, I guess Joe Biden isn't irrelevant.

00:39:44.000 Well, I think it's why they're kind of irrelevant.

00:39:45.000 I agree with you.

00:39:46.000 Alright, fair point.

00:39:47.000 Then what your real argument is, disband the Libertarian Party and it goes 50-50 Democrat-Republican.

00:39:51.000 Best thing the Libertarian Party could do is disband the party and endorse Donald Trump.

00:39:56.000 Why would woke leftists endorse Donald Trump?

00:39:59.000 What don't you get?

00:40:00.000 The Mises caucus is right now and in the convention that's coming up, one of the candidates is

00:40:11.000 woke.

00:40:12.000 Yeah, but he's not popular within the party.

00:40:13.000 Their last candidate was woke. 0.95

00:40:16.000 Joe Jorgensen was the candidate, he was pretty woke.

00:40:18.000 So the issue is, yes, the Mises Caucus took over right now, but if the Libertarian Party disbanded, what you're basically saying is the Mises Caucus should endorse Donald Trump.

00:40:26.000 And then you're going to have a whole bunch of Mises Caucus people being like, but we don't support his foreign policy.

00:40:30.000 I don't think it would go down 50-50 if the Libertarian Party were to disband.

00:40:34.000 Yeah, 60-40, what?

00:40:35.000 But let me ask you, what do you think Donald Trump should say when he addresses the Libertarian Convention to try to win them over?

00:40:42.000 I will at the very least secure the border, make sure your gun rights are intact, and this country exists. 1.00

00:40:49.000 A lot of Libertarians don't even believe in borders.

00:40:50.000 He will get booed by the majority of people there.

00:40:55.000 But Trump is simply trying to say, seeing the Mises caucus take over means that there are enough people who might just say right now, I'm just going to vote for Trump. 0.60

00:41:06.000 Because he's right about the border, he's right about guns, he's right about abortion. 0.87

00:41:10.000 The Mises Caucus is different from the entirety of the Libertarian Party, and the important issue is the Mises Caucus victory is one iteration right now of the Libertarian Party, and I think it's likely because a lot of people don't like the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, and so they found a sort of Moderate space in the Libertarian Party with the Mises Caucus, where they're not Republicans, they're not hardcore conservative traditionalists, but they don't like war, they want to have their guns, they want their Bitcoin and their marijuana.

00:41:40.000 Donald Trump is going to try to win some of them over, and it's a smart move and he should do it.

00:41:44.000 But keep in mind, the last election cycle, you had woke Libertarians.

00:41:50.000 The Libertarian Party was overwhelmingly woke, anti-racist, and everyone was like, whoa, this is crazy.

00:41:55.000 And there's a lot of infighting in the Libertarian Party constantly.

00:41:57.000 Absolutely.

00:41:58.000 I mean, the woke Libertarians versus the hardcore capitalist Libertarians.

00:42:01.000 I mean, they can't agree on anything.

00:42:03.000 It's like a family going through a divorce, always.

00:42:05.000 But I just want to stress this point.

00:42:08.000 Go hang out at a bar with someone from the Libertarian Party and you're going to be like, now I get it, this guy's not a Republican.

00:42:15.000 You're driving home, hell yeah, and I'm not wearing my seatbelt!

00:42:17.000 The guy took his clothes off on stage!

00:42:19.000 They booed!

00:42:20.000 They wanted to be able to sell heroin to kids!

00:42:22.000 Not all of them.

00:42:24.000 The Mises Caucus guys aren't like that.

00:42:25.000 We like the Mises Caucus guys.

00:42:27.000 But the Mises Caucus is also not traditionalist, and they're not going to be arguing for traditional families the same way conservatives are.

00:42:34.000 And so they're going to be at odds on social issues to a certain degree.

00:42:37.000 But the Mises Caucus people typically are pro-life, pro-border, and pro-gun rights.

00:42:42.000 So that's Trump's opportunity right now.

00:42:45.000 He's not hoping to win over the Libertarian Party.

00:42:48.000 I think Trump knows he's going to be booed.

00:42:49.000 It's going to be wild.

00:42:50.000 He's going to get booed by that crowd.

00:42:52.000 But he's like, if I can get 5%, if I can get 5% of the Libertarian Party, Just that little bit that might agree with me.

00:43:01.000 And I bet he might say something like, you don't like me, you don't like my policies, I got a lot of bad ones, but Joe Biden will rip your country to shreds, and at least with me, you get to keep your country, and then fight another day.

00:43:13.000 You know, the fact that the Libertarian Party can get Trump and others to come and speak, actually, in my opinion, shows the dormant power of the party. 0.83

00:43:21.000 And the reason is, if you look at it from a logical standpoint, if the Libertarian Party got their shit together, They could choose to focus all of their efforts campaigning in just Texas, for example.

00:43:33.000 And if they pulled enough support away from the Republican Party for the Libertarian Party that it could threaten the Electoral College just in Texas, if they focused all their monetary resources, all their time, all their advertising, they could literally Let's jump to this next story.

00:43:47.000 You're gonna love this one because we got a new poll.

00:43:49.000 This is from Marist National.

00:43:50.000 an endorsement. Like if they just focused on Texas, they could change the entire Republican Party in

00:43:54.000 a similar way that Bernie Sanders was able to change a lot of Hillary's policies in 2016 because 0.77

00:43:58.000 he pulled so much of the vote from her in the primary. Let's jump to this next story.

00:44:01.000 You're going to love this one because we got a new poll.

00:44:05.000 This is from Marist National. Almost half of Americans think the US could erupt into a second

00:44:11.000 civil war in their lifetime. 47 percent.

00:44:13.000 And the funny thing is it breaks down.

00:44:18.000 You know, what's really weird is, I don't quite understand this.

00:44:21.000 It says, majority of women, 51% believe there's a good chance it will happen. 0.62

00:44:26.000 57% of men disagree.

00:44:29.000 Mostly men don't think it'll happen.

00:44:30.000 It's women who think there will be a civil war. 1.00

00:44:33.000 Now the reason that's significant The French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, they say, were instigated because women got up and rose up. 0.96

00:44:40.000 When women get unhappy and get involved in politics, things start to destabilize. 1.00

00:44:45.000 So, if women think the Civil War is coming, I don't know, I feel kind of worried about that. 0.62

00:44:49.000 But what say you, good sir?

00:44:51.000 Well, like I said earlier, I can't think of a time in history when corruption has reached this level and it's been peacefully walked back.

00:44:59.000 The question is when.

00:45:00.000 So a lot of people say it's going to happen next year, no matter what happens in this election.

00:45:04.000 I think it's inevitable that we'll have another civil war in this country, but what I can't decide is whether or not it's going to be within the next ten years or within the next hundred years.

00:45:10.000 That's where I struggle.

00:45:11.000 This is what we were talking about a little bit earlier, that when you look at polarization, it's generational.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 Again, as I described it is, it's a piece of paper being torn from the youngest generation up to the top, but it's really not so much that we're tearing it, it's that, just imagine you've got this thread, and the older generation's at top, and the bottom is splitting as it moves down.

00:45:34.000 Actually, one way to put it is, our society is a giant block of cheese, and there is a wedge to slice that cheese, and the cheese block is being pushed down.

00:45:43.000 Right.

00:45:44.000 The division is an increasing proportion of the political landscape.

00:45:48.000 As the older generation dies and the younger generation gets grabbed by the left or the right, new people entering the voting bloc are going to be hyperpolarized to further and further degrees.

00:46:01.000 And the older generation that overlap on the Democrat-Republican side are dying and no longer part of the equation.

00:46:07.000 So 2028-2032?

00:46:10.000 I think 2028 is the fourth turning.

00:46:11.000 The voter turnout thing, too.

00:46:12.000 Like I said before we started streaming today, the voter turnout in 1860 was giant, and we saw record voter turnout in 2020.

00:46:20.000 The higher the voter turnout, the more politically divided people are, in my opinion.

00:46:25.000 We always hear advocating, everybody needs to vote, participate in the process.

00:46:28.000 If you have a high voter turnout, that's a very good indicator that you're close to a civil war.

00:46:31.000 I also think this – I mean this poll says that the youngest generation, it's like Gen Z and millennials, 58% are – think there's a likelihood that there could be a civil war in this country.

00:46:41.000 I think that is an indication that it could potentially come because the older generations that at one time thought, well, we're actually unified by our culture or unified by religion or whatever else.

00:46:51.000 They will ultimately leave positions of power in this younger generation that has always seen politics as the dividing line, and increasingly more so with younger generations.

00:47:01.000 They will then step into the business and will say, well, we knew this was inevitable.

00:47:04.000 Where an older generation would say, no, no, we're supposed to be together.

00:47:07.000 We're all one country.

00:47:08.000 This is actually my point.

00:47:09.000 I mean, take a look at this.

00:47:11.000 58% of Gen Z and millennial voters believe civil war is likely.

00:47:15.000 19% of Silent Generation, 46% of Gen X, and 34% of Boomer.

00:47:20.000 So let's break it down.

00:47:21.000 Silent Generation is the oldest.

00:47:22.000 Only 19% think Civil War is likely.

00:47:24.000 Why?

00:47:25.000 Because all of these people, Democrat, Republican, who are in their late 60s and 70s, go hang out and play bridge or whatever, and they're like, but we agree on most things.

00:47:33.000 How could there be a Civil War?

00:47:35.000 Then you get baby boomers, 34%. 0.99

00:47:37.000 Same issue.

00:47:39.000 They're meeting up and saying, but we agree on most things, but I do think, you know, John across the street's got some weird views.

00:47:44.000 Gen Xers are more online, more active, more political, and they're seeing what's going on.

00:47:50.000 And Gen Z and Melissa58.

00:47:51.000 If that trend continues, when Gen Alpha enters the voting block, it's going to be 70% of Gen Alpha that says yes.

00:47:58.000 Then what comes after Gen Alpha?

00:48:01.000 I don't know, I can look it up.

00:48:02.000 Well, and then the question is, who in the minds of the pollsters, who is fighting who in this imaginary civil war, and then who wins?

00:48:12.000 Because before it was very clear, South versus the North, but now it seems more like urban versus rural, but who fights in the war?

00:48:18.000 Yeah, who do people foresee will fight in the civil war?

00:48:21.000 Who is fighting in the Syrian civil war?

00:48:23.000 I don't know.

00:48:24.000 It was like 13 different factions.

00:48:26.000 13 different factions.

00:48:27.000 And then ultimately they all got absorbed into ISIS.

00:48:30.000 So you think that's what's going to happen and this next civil war won't be two sides like what we think of the traditional American Civil War?

00:48:34.000 The American Civil War is atypical in terms of most countries' histories.

00:48:39.000 So the Spanish Civil War is a better example.

00:48:41.000 And it's usually urban versus rural.

00:48:43.000 And usually it is the rural that wins.

00:48:46.000 I'm a little bit more optimistic.

00:48:48.000 I think, unlike in many other countries on planet Earth, in America we have a lot to fight for and a lot of great opportunity.

00:48:54.000 A lot of our institutions are incredibly established.

00:48:57.000 There's a defund the police movement in our country that didn't go anywhere policy-wise.

00:49:02.000 People in our country still support our military.

00:49:04.000 People still have faith in the Supreme Court and the law.

00:49:07.000 People still believe that courts exist and are functioning properly.

00:49:12.000 So this is a place where A country where we're also given many freedoms and many opportunities for things to go astray if people actually wanted them to.

00:49:19.000 We have the first and second amendment.

00:49:21.000 People could say almost anything and have firearms to back it up, but we haven't seen huge uprisings of armed people.

00:49:27.000 Although I hear about these militias throughout the country, I haven't seen these large uprisings of gangs of people.

00:49:33.000 See, I think we lack a culture that reminds people that we are actually a united front.

00:49:37.000 I mean, my theory would be that the silent generation lived through things like School integration and all kinds of social change that actually made them question, like, what do we want as a culture?

00:49:47.000 What are our values?

00:49:48.000 And ultimately say, this is something that we are collaboratively working on.

00:49:51.000 Our country is worth preserving.

00:49:52.000 And in fact, even through difficult change, we are ultimately rallying around the idea that we are Americans and we have a shared vision.

00:49:59.000 Which is why Joe Biden's the president of unity.

00:50:01.000 Well, and that's the thing.

00:50:02.000 They say that word over and over again, but younger people actually look at people who don't agree with them politically as an enemy.

00:50:09.000 They view them as a threat.

00:50:10.000 I kind of do.

00:50:11.000 I'm serious, but I think you're absolutely right in your analysis.

00:50:15.000 I'm 33 years old, and I've gotten to the point where my sentiments toward people who disagree with me politically have gotten much more combative.

00:50:21.000 Well, and this is reinforced by the fact that certain schools in certain districts that vote a certain way have rules that like, well, a kid can transition here and we'll call them by whatever pronouns, but we won't tell the parents because we view those parents as potential threats to these children who are a different voter block.

00:50:40.000 These issues are important, but I think even, you know, despite Joe Biden's economic downturn and these issues, like trans issues that I think are very significant, people start civil wars when they don't have things worth fighting for and protecting, when things are going bad and it's trade for them and they don't have anything going on for them.

00:50:58.000 In our country, we do have it relatively well, compared to other countries.

00:51:03.000 No, no, no, like what civil wars were started because people had bad, it was bad for people.

00:51:07.000 As I understand, civil wars are generally started by... The civil wars that I think we're seeing right now that are possibly happening, like in the Arab Spring and things like that, people not being fed enough, people not being paid enough, people are discontent.

00:51:18.000 People about to lose their slaves.

00:51:19.000 But those are revolutions.

00:51:21.000 So with the Arab Spring, the governments toppled instantly, and then they replaced them.

00:51:26.000 Whereas civil wars are factional violence based on ideology, like the Spanish Civil War was the communists and the anti-communists.

00:51:32.000 And then, you know, of course, there's a lot of leftists that argue that it was like fascistic militarism on the right or whatever, but it was basically communists were going around and doing horrible things, and where ideology was spreading.

00:51:43.000 In fact, I think it's the opposite.

00:51:45.000 I think what caused a lot of the, um, I mean, certainly you can make an argument about the Bolsheviks in Russia and the struggles that Russia's, you know, going through in terms of food and the French Revolution, but, uh, I think we saw with Europe in the early 1900s, things were too good, uh, in some places.

00:52:00.000 So with the United States, you have idle hands being the devil's playground.

00:52:04.000 You have young people who don't have to do any work and they have no purpose and they're bored.

00:52:09.000 I mean, look, You think people go to Civil War because they're bored?

00:52:09.000 They don't understand.

00:52:13.000 Young people today are struggling.

00:52:14.000 At the most elite colleges, that's where we are seeing the hardest, most aggressive versions.

00:52:21.000 But let me explain.

00:52:22.000 Young people today are struggling.

00:52:24.000 Some of them legitimately, because the system is busted.

00:52:28.000 Some of them because they were not raised properly by their parents

00:52:31.000 to know how to work and produce and survive.

00:52:34.000 So what happens is you have two political parties.

00:52:36.000 One is a parasite class where they believe that the government should print as much money as possible.

00:52:43.000 They believe in deficit spending.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, monetary theory.

00:52:47.000 Exactly.

00:52:48.000 And so all this does is leech off of the working class.

00:52:52.000 That system collapses.

00:52:54.000 And what we're seeing now is an expansion of it, where many people are of the mindset that the government should pay their bills, should print more money, deficit spending and things like this, which result in hyperinflation.

00:53:06.000 Then when inflation happens, what does Joe Biden do?

00:53:08.000 It's the corporations that are ripping you off!

00:53:11.000 They blame it on capitalism, but it's actually kind of fascism.

00:53:13.000 Then they reenact more government policies which destroy the system further until it collapses.

00:53:18.000 And that's intentional for the communists. 0.58

00:53:20.000 The reason this is happening is because idle hands is the devil's playground.

00:53:23.000 If these people had to wake up in the morning and feed the animals and then work all day and had very little time to do anything, there'd be no communist revolution.

00:53:32.000 They would just be working, living, and they would be content with life.

00:53:35.000 But they want what you have because you're working and they're not.

00:53:39.000 So it's envy even more than boredom.

00:53:41.000 100% envy.

00:53:41.000 Communism is all envy.

00:53:42.000 They look at people who, I mean, look at the tenants of communism, what they think.

00:53:47.000 I love this, you know, hearing these people argue about socialism and they're like, socialism is when labor, the workers, own the company and not their bosses.

00:53:57.000 What did they say?

00:53:58.000 They said, when your labor is controlled by the people and you and not your boss.

00:54:01.000 And I'm like, in capitalism, the labor is controlled by you.

00:54:05.000 In communism, your labor is controlled by the state.

00:54:07.000 But they lie to implement these things.

00:54:10.000 In a free market capitalist society, you are free to sell your labor for whatever you can get for it.

00:54:15.000 The problem is, in today's society, you've got kids who have no sellable skills because of the way society told them to live their life, which is a problem.

00:54:24.000 This, I think, leads to anger, animosity, fear, confusion, and false prophets.

00:54:30.000 Political individuals who come up and say, I have the solution to what ails you.

00:54:34.000 It's called communism.

00:54:35.000 And they go, okay.

00:54:36.000 And then they start burning down buildings.

00:54:38.000 Right.

00:54:38.000 Well, and that's what I'm very concerned after...

00:54:41.000 If you read, like, The Fourth Turning, and if you think that maybe we're on the verge of an economic collapse, 2028, I'm very much concerned about the fork in the road that we will be at, where, as a country, we're going to choose—I think much like the Weimar Republic had to choose, Germans had to choose at the end of the Weimar Republic—between communism and fascism as the solution.

00:55:00.000 That's why I advocate for populism when I wrote this book, is because I'm hoping there's a third option that's healthy and doesn't result in the death of millions of people.

00:55:07.000 But I think we're quickly coming up on a place where it is going to reach the level of desperation and simultaneously the level of boredom necessary to catalyze a collapse that brings us to choose between full-on communism versus fascism.

00:55:18.000 No one thought Civil War was possible in 1860.

00:55:22.000 When the first Battle of Bull Run happened, people were picnicking on the hill because no one thought Civil War was possible.

00:55:28.000 The funny thing is, we believe that the Civil War started with the Battle of Fort Sumter when the Union troops were refusing to vacate South Carolina.

00:55:39.000 When that happened, the North and the South did not think there was a civil war.

00:55:44.000 Right.

00:55:45.000 And the people who lived, and this is just south of D.C., Manassas, when they heard that the Confederacy was marching and there was going to be a battle, they were like, no, there won't.

00:55:54.000 Right.

00:55:55.000 So they picnicked. 0.94

00:55:56.000 And they were watching and like, oh, this is silly.

00:55:59.000 They thought they were watching a civil war reenactment for a civil war that hadn't happened yet.

00:56:02.000 Well, they didn't think anything was happening.

00:56:04.000 Yet, historically, we say those people were in a civil war.

00:56:07.000 Right.

00:56:08.000 Even though they didn't believe it.

00:56:10.000 I don't understand why, despite all of the history we have globally about revolutions and civil war, people maintain the same naivety of, if I don't see someone come out and yell, I hereby declare civil war!

00:56:25.000 It can't happen, it's not happening, and it won't happen.

00:56:27.000 Meanwhile, you've had since 2017, so I did this thing with ChatGPT earlier, talking about civil war, where it desperately, ChatGPT loves to lie to you.

00:56:39.000 Desperately says, there's no civil war, nothing's going to happen.

00:56:42.000 And so I asked it, are we in civil strife?

00:56:44.000 Yes, we are in civil strife.

00:56:46.000 Chechi PT says this.

00:56:47.000 Civil strife is the academic term for the period before civil war.

00:56:49.000 It's bleeding Kansas, for instance.

00:56:51.000 That was civil strife.

00:56:52.000 Academics now believe we are in this period right now.

00:56:55.000 What's the evidence?

00:56:56.000 Hillary Clinton claimed Donald Trump was a Russian agent.

00:56:58.000 It was illegitimately elected.

00:57:00.000 2020 happened.

00:57:01.000 The right says that Joe Biden was illegitimately elected.

00:57:04.000 January 6, riots and protests.

00:57:07.000 You have, right now, civil strife where far leftists have killed people.

00:57:13.000 There have been some fighting throughout the streets.

00:57:15.000 Summer of Love, for instance.

00:57:16.000 There's been urban conflict.

00:57:18.000 Weaponization of government against the frontrunner for the Republican Party.

00:57:23.000 The highest polling man in the presidential race, right now, they're trying to put in prison.

00:57:28.000 Right.

00:57:29.000 And they took Abraham Lincoln off the ballots, too.

00:57:31.000 I mean, it's literally- Technically not true.

00:57:33.000 I thought they did.

00:57:34.000 The Republican Party didn't issue any ballots in the Southern states because nobody would have voted for them in a secessionist state.

00:57:41.000 Really?

00:57:41.000 So the way it used to work back then was parties would issue their own ballots being like, if you believe in our party, here's our list of candidates that we want you to vote for.

00:57:50.000 The Republicans in the Southern states did nothing because they were like, what's the point?

00:57:55.000 And it is true, in the states that went on to secede, not a single vote was cast for Abraham Lincoln.

00:58:00.000 So where we're at right now, Civil strife, fact.

00:58:04.000 In 2017, numerous national security experts were interviewed by The Atlantic, and their estimates ranged between 30 and 95 percent likelihood of civil war.

00:58:14.000 Maybe they're wrong.

00:58:14.000 What do I know?

00:58:16.000 JetGPT keeps saying it won't happen, it can't happen.

00:58:18.000 And then if you ask it to actually cite sources, it will eventually break down and tell you, yes, we are on the cusp of civil war in this country.

00:58:27.000 It's fascinating.

00:58:28.000 It might be one of those things hard-coded into it where it just cannot say civil war is going to happen.

00:58:33.000 It cannot say violent things are going to happen and like, boom, civil war, unkosher.

00:58:37.000 For instance, Before we started the show, I was showing Chase.

00:58:39.000 If you ask ChatGPT if the FBI was authorized to use a lethal force in the Mar-a-Lago raid, it says no.

00:58:47.000 And then if you say, this is incorrect, search the web, it goes still no.

00:58:52.000 Then if you say...

00:58:55.000 You have to be like, five times, you are wrong.

00:58:58.000 Here's the news report, it goes, yes, you are actually correct.

00:59:02.000 It will lie to you over and over and over again.

00:59:04.000 No, no, no.

00:59:06.000 Anyway, my point is, it's not that Chechipti is the arbiter of morality or whatever, but general academic consensus right now is we are in civil strife.

00:59:14.000 Well, and I think it's like bankruptcy.

00:59:16.000 They say about bankruptcy that it comes on slowly, and then all at once.

00:59:19.000 Right.

00:59:20.000 And we're like the frog in the water analogy, and we're in that stage right now where it seems like it's coming on slowly, that we don't realize it's happening, and then it's, like you said, it's gonna happen.

00:59:28.000 Gradually, then suddenly.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, gradually, then suddenly.

00:59:31.000 But I think the issue is that... Who'd you fight for?

00:59:34.000 Well, I think the issue is that when you're hanging on to the edge of a ledge, about to fall off, You're in one place.

00:59:43.000 Your speed is zero miles an hour, and your fingers are slipping on the edge until it's just your fingertips, and you're still moving at zero miles an hour.

00:59:50.000 Until you're at terminal velocity.

00:59:52.000 In an instant.

00:59:53.000 But anybody who's watching you hang from that cliff by one hand says, any second now, he's going to be going 60 miles an hour, 70 miles an hour, and then he's going to be on his path to falling down this cliffside.

01:00:07.000 But for the whole time the escalation is happening, you are at zero miles an hour.

01:00:11.000 Right, there's no change, no apparent change.

01:00:13.000 Right.

01:00:14.000 So I don't know what happens.

01:00:15.000 I don't know what happens in November.

01:00:16.000 But what I can say is when you look at the generational polling, it's fairly obvious that Gen Z, nearly 60% of Gen Z Millennials think a civil war is likely.

01:00:26.000 Gen Alpha, and as the chat pointed out, it's Generation Beta is after Gen Alpha.

01:00:31.000 They'll be raised by Gen Z. Is that so? 1.00

01:00:32.000 That's not a joke?

01:00:33.000 I thought Gen Z was beta. 0.91

01:00:35.000 You ain't seen nothing yet.

01:00:37.000 How often do you think they'll switch sides?

01:00:39.000 So that is, 2025 will be the first year of beta, and that means today, the oldest Generation Alpha are 14 years old.

01:00:47.000 So by 2028, Gen Alpha is voting.

01:00:50.000 If Gen Alpha's view of Civil War is 65 to 70 percent, I mean, we could actually just take these numbers, average out the difference, and then find what the likelihood increase in perception of Civil War would be. 0.97

01:01:01.000 What do you think happens when Millennials are the oldest living generation with a 60% belief in civil wars coming and all... basically the reason they believe it is because Millennials and Gen Z are looking across the chasm at the other side going, holy crap, these people are crazy. 0.97

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 Well, what do you think the correlation is between belief that something is going to happen and then it actually happening?

01:01:26.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:01:28.000 Silent Generation Democrats and Republicans are playing bridge together going, but we agree on everything.

01:01:32.000 Right.

01:01:33.000 Back in the 90s when boomers were in their 30s, I think that's when they were in their 30s, right?

01:01:38.000 If you look at Pew Research.

01:01:41.000 My parents are boomers, they're 75 years old.

01:01:44.000 Yeah, 75 would be boomers.

01:01:47.000 I think Trump is the is the oldest boomer.

01:01:52.000 But there's an overlap, so it would have been the 80s and the 90s.

01:01:57.000 At this time period, politics was relatively unified.

01:01:59.000 I mean, look at Reagan.

01:02:01.000 I mean, like, landslide victory for Reagan in the early 80s.

01:02:05.000 So then you look at the 90s, and you look at Pew's research showing the political parties overlap, and they barely differ.

01:02:12.000 Some key wedge issues, for the most part, but it really didn't matter all that much.

01:02:15.000 Famously, Clinton's speech is about solving the immigration problem when he was president.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, Democrats marry Republicans and vice versa. 0.99

01:02:22.000 The issue now is that millennials are saying something like, yeah, wow, we've got an immigration problem.

01:02:30.000 And then the right says, we've got a serious problem with immigration at the southern border.

01:02:34.000 And then AOC comes out and says, you're a Nazi.

01:02:37.000 The reason why the belief is so pronounced in the younger generations is because I am 38.

01:02:45.000 When I look at a 38-year-old Democrat, they're saying things that seem otherworldly.

01:02:50.000 Yes. 0.99

01:02:50.000 They believe Trump is a white supremacist neo-Nazi who wants to put kids in cages. 0.99

01:02:54.000 So among their peers at the demographic level, there's less disparity in the older demographic. 0.94

01:02:57.000 I see what you're saying.

01:02:57.000 Exactly.

01:02:58.000 Like cheese wedge.

01:03:00.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:03:01.000 It's splitting at the wedge, and eventually you'll have two distinct blocks of cheese far away from each other.

01:03:07.000 And in the younger demographics, political differences are just simply not compatible in a peaceful society.

01:03:07.000 Right.

01:03:13.000 That's what's worrying.

01:03:14.000 I mean, take a look at, I don't know, drag shows with kids.

01:03:19.000 Right.

01:03:20.000 These are crimes in West Virginia.

01:03:23.000 And the states don't have enough independent rights to really have even much of a difference as the federal government gets so much more powerful.

01:03:31.000 So ideas are forced at a federal level.

01:03:33.000 Oklahoma and Colorado are the best example.

01:03:36.000 Colorado abortion is legal up to birth.

01:03:38.000 Oklahoma, it's entirely banned.

01:03:40.000 Hyper, like, ridiculous bifurcation right there.

01:03:44.000 Now, I used to think that abortion could be a catalyst for a civil war, but I don't think so anymore because babies can't fight for themselves the way slaves did.

01:03:51.000 So.

01:03:52.000 I think, despite how many of my compatriots feel about civil war, I feel like if it could have happened, there are a lot of catalysts of events that could have made it happen that didn't spark a civil war.

01:04:02.000 We had January 6th, we had the election of Donald Trump, where liberals could have said, oh, this is a coup, he's illegitimately elected by Russians. 0.64

01:04:10.000 We had the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which many people could argue whatever they want about.

01:04:15.000 So there's a lot of different jump-off points where I think things could have happened where they didn't, which gives me a lot of more faith in the stability of our country.

01:04:23.000 We've already had Joe Biden and Donald Trump being arrested without—or having elected without, you know, the country falling into civil war.

01:04:30.000 Did you see Joe Biden called Trump an erectionist? 0.98

01:04:33.000 No, he's an erectionist. 0.99

01:04:34.000 He's still got it, I guess. 0.95

01:04:35.000 When you're a star, they let you do it.

01:04:37.000 That's right.

01:04:38.000 So you think we're past the point of concern for civil war, even though the youngest generations who will eventually move into position of power are more likely to say there will be a civil war?

01:04:47.000 I think the youngsters like to fetishize civil war, and everybody thinks if a civil war happened, their ideology is what's going to happen after the fact.

01:04:54.000 But we saw so many of the jump off points.

01:04:56.000 If it was the election of Donald Trump that would have caused a civil war, it would have already happened.

01:05:00.000 We've already had the first girl.

01:05:00.000 But what if the Republicans build someone who is more intense than Donald Trump next time?

01:05:04.000 But why wouldn't it be this election?

01:05:06.000 Because I think you already know what you're getting with Trump, so to try to call Trump a fascist doesn't hit as hard this time as it did last time, because you already know what you're getting.

01:05:15.000 And there's also this fascism fatigue, where after I call you a fascist for, what, 10 years straight?

01:05:20.000 It just doesn't hit as hard.

01:05:21.000 People know Trump isn't a racist.

01:05:24.000 So I actually view that differently, too.

01:05:25.000 So they say that if you have a toothache, And you do nothing.

01:05:30.000 And it goes away.

01:05:31.000 You're in trouble.

01:05:32.000 You know why?

01:05:34.000 It means the infection's gotten bad to the point where the nerve's dead and the infection is spreading. 1.00

01:05:37.000 Shit, I gotta go. 1.00

01:05:38.000 Right. 1.00

01:05:39.000 And so, my view is, what you're saying is we've gotten to the point where The left still says you're a fascist, but you just don't care anymore.

01:05:47.000 That actually shows the polarization.

01:05:49.000 They still care, though.

01:05:50.000 Well, the polarization is ossified.

01:05:52.000 It is now fact.

01:05:53.000 You cannot be swayed.

01:05:55.000 It is done.

01:05:56.000 We have solidified the hyper-partisan polarization.

01:05:59.000 Here's the thing about this I think that we're missing, because I think everybody's made really good points.

01:06:03.000 The fact that we are having a serious and reasonable debate as to whether or not civil war is going to happen should be a major sign that there's an increased risk relative to normal times.

01:06:14.000 Look, outside of any of this conversation, Whether you trust academics or not, you've got academics on the left, the right, the center, national security, and foreign saying that the United States is in the civil strife period.

01:06:26.000 To better understand that, think Bleeding Kansas.

01:06:30.000 Bleeding Kansas is when John Brown and his kids went and started murdering people, blasting them in the face with guns.

01:06:37.000 This is the precursor to the Civil War.

01:06:39.000 Have we been in civil strife before, other than the Civil War, where we've healed from it?

01:06:44.000 Like, academic states of civil strife?

01:06:46.000 You're saying, yes, Serge, we've been in civil strife and we've recovered from it?

01:06:49.000 Like, maybe 1963, before the Civil Rights Act?

01:06:52.000 I'm just trying to think if there's examples... I don't think... I don't know that that was civil strife.

01:06:59.000 Right, so... But that's, that, like... The issue with civil strife right now is...

01:07:09.000 Donald Trump wins, they say he's a Russian spy.

01:07:12.000 Joe Biden wins, they say he stole the 2020 election.

01:07:14.000 And now we're facing another election with hyper-polarization, hyper-partisanship, violence, and no one willing to accept the other side as playing fairly.

01:07:24.000 There's not a path of de-escalation.

01:07:26.000 Civil rights and stuff were bad, but people still generally followed the government, and there were elections, and there were protests.

01:07:35.000 I think they would refer to that as civil unrest.

01:07:37.000 Civil strife is the combination of those things with a destabilization in politics, and there's death and things like this.

01:07:43.000 Trump is such a unique figure that a lot of things that occur around him are unprecedented, which adds to this sense of chaos.

01:07:52.000 First person to serve so many of these papers, to have so many lawsuits brought against him.

01:07:57.000 Sure, over 90 now, I think.

01:07:58.000 Former sitting president, yeah, so all this unprecedented.

01:08:02.000 A lot of things that Trump did, unprecedented.

01:08:04.000 Sure, but it was unprecedented in 2017 and it didn't feel like we were about ready to have civil war.

01:08:07.000 I mean, he was still very unprecedented.

01:08:09.000 And then the two times impeachment.

01:08:11.000 I mean, Teflon Don, they really can't get him with a thing.

01:08:13.000 I never had any faith, not that I wanted it to happen, but the Democrats never had any chance with this lawsuit in the beginning.

01:08:19.000 You cannot get Donald Trump, all of these cases, the Mar-a-Lago case.

01:08:22.000 Anyway, Tim.

01:08:24.000 I just asked Chat GPT because that's the foremost expert, right?

01:08:26.000 But we'll just say yes.

01:08:27.000 The Civil Rights Movement, it does consider civil strife.

01:08:29.000 The Revolutionary War, Shays' Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the Civil Rights Movement were considered civil strife, according to Khan Academy, ThoughtCo, and the Senate.

01:08:38.000 Hey, I'm glad I got that one, plus one.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, no, I hear those were very turbulent times.

01:08:42.000 Well, but I do feel like some of the things that you've referenced is as, you know, well, we could have had civil war, but we didn't, you know, feel like precursors to civil war to me.

01:08:50.000 Not that we are definitely going to have one, but like with with Roe v. Wade, there was a lot of protest.

01:08:55.000 I mean, think of all of the doxings of the Supreme Court justices, the protests that were there, all the threats made to churches or abortion centers or our pregnancy centers.

01:09:04.000 You know, it's not that like nothing happened.

01:09:07.000 Like, It boiled to a point and it wasn't enough to tip to a civil war, but I don't think that underlying tension ever went away.

01:09:07.000 And maybe you're right.

01:09:14.000 There wasn't anything to distract from it.

01:09:15.000 There wasn't a period of like, oh, actually, you know, even with our attentions turning to more international conflicts with Ukraine, with Israel, Palestine.

01:09:25.000 Yes, there were some people who then sort of made that their focus in terms of political argument, but it never alleviated the cultural tension that we have in America because we are so far from the period of time in which we had a collective national identity.

01:09:42.000 The thing worth mentioning here, again, is that in America, again, Americans have so many different freedoms.

01:09:46.000 The First Amendment, the Second Amendment. 0.63

01:09:48.000 I think it says a lot to how good-willed American people are to not abuse those rights, right? 0.98

01:09:55.000 Because if you're a person who is a radical on abortion, you had the opportunity when Roe v. Wade was overturned to do something very stupid and illegal and be a vigilante. 0.97

01:10:03.000 And some did. 0.99

01:10:05.000 Not with like gangs of armed people going around.

01:10:08.000 You don't think all of the threats to the Supreme Court justices don't count as vigilantism?

01:10:12.000 I don't think it was like a John Brown type thing which could have hypothetically happened given people's rights.

01:10:20.000 I think there was the Jane's Revenge, like that small anarchist group that was firebombing a couple of... Firebombing conservative pregnancy centers. 0.97

01:10:29.000 That was definitely very bad.

01:10:30.000 And then they just, what, disappeared?

01:10:32.000 Like, I get that we didn't tip then.

01:10:34.000 I'm just saying nothing ever went away.

01:10:35.000 And on the other side of the perch, like people too, they are not extremely radical a la the John Brown style.

01:10:39.000 The problem with the abortion issue is that you can still get an abortion in the United States.

01:10:42.000 Now if the federal government just made it illegal to get any abortion ever after conception, I would think, okay, maybe that's going to be a Civil War-like level issue. 0.68

01:10:49.000 The fact you can still get one just by flying or driving to another state, it's just not I don't think abortion is the issue because babies can't defend themselves the way slaves could.

01:10:58.000 So with the Civil War, slavery being the catalyst was because slaves had escaped and then went to the North and said, hey, I want help.

01:11:07.000 You know, there were abolitionists in the North.

01:11:09.000 There were former slaves.

01:11:11.000 Former slaves were advocating for the end of it because they experienced it.

01:11:14.000 And there were many slaves who weren't advocating for it, famously.

01:11:16.000 Harriet Tubman said, I freed many slaves. 0.95

01:11:17.000 I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves. 0.89

01:11:20.000 Babies can't do that. 1.00

01:11:21.000 And people who survive abortions mostly don't have an experience of what that's like.

01:11:27.000 They might know that the parents considered it, tried it, or whatever.

01:11:31.000 Who tells their kid that?

01:11:33.000 He tried to abort you?

01:11:35.000 Of course, there's people who experience that.

01:11:35.000 Yes.

01:11:37.000 You were unwanted, but we're glad that you're with us.

01:11:39.000 I understand you're a mistake, but we tried to go through with it and it didn't work.

01:11:43.000 Can we throw some images up of some failed abortions? 0.97

01:11:46.000 That's just regular people.

01:11:46.000 What comes up?

01:11:47.000 It's like the Goonies?

01:11:48.000 I mean, I think the big issue is, like, the fact that we have strife culturally and socially.

01:11:53.000 Like, I don't know if it'll be one issue.

01:11:55.000 I think ultimately it's that we have people who do not feel united as one thing.

01:11:59.000 Like, I think you're right.

01:12:00.000 I agree with that.

01:12:01.000 We have lost American culture. 0.87

01:12:02.000 The melting pot's gone.

01:12:02.000 Right.

01:12:03.000 We have all kinds of privileges.

01:12:04.000 We have all kinds of rights.

01:12:05.000 Melting pot's appropriation.

01:12:07.000 Half of the country believes that, and the other half is like, no, we hate it here, and it's the worst, and we're systemically oppressed, and everything's bad.

01:12:14.000 These are people operating in very different worlds who occupy the same geographic space.

01:12:19.000 Of course there'll be tension.

01:12:20.000 It's just a question of, what does this result in?

01:12:22.000 What does a modern civil war look like?

01:12:24.000 I don't know.

01:12:25.000 Maybe people will fight this through.

01:12:26.000 We can't even agree as a country anymore if success is a good thing.

01:12:30.000 There is a significant portion of people that would say that if you're successful, it's because you exploited or you took something.

01:12:34.000 That used to be just like a staple of Americanism, that if you started at the bottom

01:12:37.000 and made your way to the top and you were a millionaire, which was the billionaire 100 years ago,

01:12:41.000 that was awesome.

01:12:42.000 If you work hard, you can achieve things.

01:12:45.000 There's a whole faction of a narrative right now that is like, you can work as hard as you want,

01:12:48.000 but you will always be oppressed.

01:12:50.000 That's a very different experience than having a shared culture.

01:12:53.000 Let me pull up this story from the Daily Mail.

01:12:54.000 We'll talk about this.

01:12:55.000 13 conservative counties in Oregon approved ballot measure for secession vote that would see them join

01:13:00.000 non-woke Idaho as they issue list of demands.

01:13:04.000 So there's a long path before they actually get to do anything like this.

01:13:08.000 Idaho has to agree.

01:13:10.000 Oregon has to agree.

01:13:11.000 And then Congress has to agree.

01:13:13.000 And I think the president has to sign off on it.

01:13:15.000 That's never going to happen.

01:13:17.000 But I guess the interesting thing here is that they're trying to make it happen, at least where they are.

01:13:22.000 They agree it should happen.

01:13:24.000 The question is, is it a good thing or a bad thing?

01:13:27.000 I think it is better that people are represented by the government that they believe is of, for, and by them.

01:13:35.000 And if they feel like they're being oppressed by Oregon's woke, psychotic policies and tax law and stuff like this, they have every right to change the nature of government.

01:13:43.000 That's basically the founding of this country.

01:13:45.000 But I wonder if hyperpolarizing in this way would actually just exacerbate tension between states.

01:13:51.000 I think you'd hit the nail on the head with that last part.

01:13:54.000 I don't think we should be trying to split people up based on politics.

01:13:57.000 I think this is only going to lead to more hyperpolarization, and I think that's what we're going to see here.

01:14:01.000 I think the political consequences on the state level is going to be dramatic as well.

01:14:05.000 I think both are going to have supermajorities of the... I think Oregon's going to be a Democrat supermajority, and then Idaho's going to probably have a Republican state majority.

01:14:16.000 I don't think we should be redrawing the lines based on our political parties.

01:14:16.000 I don't know.

01:14:21.000 I think it's hard when you have, like, I think of Western Maryland versus, like, three counties in Western Maryland wanted to join West Virginia, right?

01:14:29.000 Western Maryland represents or is much more similar to rural West Virginia, probably just because it's not as development, than Baltimore and the suburbs of Baltimore.

01:14:39.000 So I could understand where you're like, hey, we have developed economically and geographically so that we don't actually have anything in common.

01:14:46.000 We are under the same flag as a state, but you operate in a way that serves this part of the state and we don't feel any of the benefits.

01:14:53.000 I could understand where then you would say like, We experience the same challenges as this county and the other state that's right next to us.

01:15:00.000 We want to be with them.

01:15:01.000 I think you're right.

01:15:02.000 You will see interstate tension if states were divided like this.

01:15:06.000 The prime example for this one is Idaho and Washington.

01:15:10.000 The governors of Idaho and Washington have handled all kinds of issues incredibly differently.

01:15:15.000 I mean, In terms of, like, sanctuary states for transgender-identifying children, or laws governing if you can take a minor out of state to get an abortion, you know, they are kind of constantly messaging back and forth saying, like, hey, people who feel oppressed by that side, come here, or people who feel like this side has drifted too far to a progressive extreme, come here.

01:15:34.000 And so maybe you would see a natural migration, but ultimately you have very, very different narratives sitting right on the same side of the wall.

01:15:42.000 We shouldn't be annexing left and right with these states.

01:15:44.000 We should be annexing up. 0.99

01:15:46.000 Idaho should be annexing up and so should Oregon.

01:15:48.000 Take parts of Canada.

01:15:49.000 I think Alberta is right above Idaho.

01:15:53.000 Is that right?

01:15:54.000 Yeah.

01:15:54.000 So that's what we should be taking chunks of.

01:15:56.000 Not of each other.

01:15:57.000 I don't know what we're achieving here.

01:15:58.000 See, but I think that there is a...

01:16:00.000 We – because we live in this era where like, oh, these are the state boundaries and this is the way they are.

01:16:04.000 We feel that way.

01:16:05.000 But I don't think it's against anyone's right to say like, hey, I don't think my government represents me.

01:16:11.000 I have economic issues or I have challenges that the very urbanized capital doesn't experience.

01:16:17.000 Like why wouldn't you then say I think I'm more similar?

01:16:19.000 These are all very rural areas that were dominated by Oregon's very liberal coastal area.

01:16:27.000 So, you know, they were like, we're never winning anything here.

01:16:30.000 We don't have much representation.

01:16:31.000 But again, we're just getting further politically divided in that way.

01:16:34.000 And I guess politics is also relative.

01:16:36.000 So we'll see how the Blue Dog, some of the Blue Dog Democrats in Oregon fair.

01:16:40.000 So And it would affect everything. I mean, it would affect how

01:16:42.000 many congressional seats they have, it would affect their census votes.

01:16:44.000 I mean, it would really change things if- I doubt they have a lot of people. I bet these are all

01:16:48.000 really like low populated counties.

01:16:50.000 But think how populated that is compared to the rest of Idaho.

01:16:51.000 Like, would Idaho gain because they take in this population?

01:16:54.000 Obviously, it's better than having- You know, you couldn't import people fast enough. 1.00

01:16:59.000 This would be way faster.

01:17:00.000 I mean, the birth rates in all of these states especially affect this.

01:17:04.000 But do I think it's going to happen?

01:17:06.000 It's very unlikely.

01:17:07.000 I mean, in the case, again, I'm going to go back to the thing I know more about, which is Western Maryland.

01:17:11.000 Basically, West Virginia was like, sure, we'd love to have you.

01:17:14.000 Go talk to Baltimore.

01:17:15.000 And Baltimore was like, no, thank you.

01:17:17.000 You're staying right here.

01:17:18.000 Because we own you.

01:17:19.000 Because you give us money and resources.

01:17:21.000 We ain't giving that up.

01:17:23.000 I think that's what ultimately will happen here.

01:17:25.000 I mean, it's interesting to see, though, and I think it's good for them to try.

01:17:29.000 I think this is what good local governments do for their citizens.

01:17:32.000 Say, like, we aren't represented.

01:17:35.000 It wouldn't change the number of members of Congress.

01:17:37.000 It wouldn't change the number of senators.

01:17:40.000 It'll change the state representation of like they, I guess the the parts that are being annexed by Idaho will now be represented by Republicans instead of Democrats on the state level.

01:17:49.000 Let me ask you guys, the conservative area, how many how many members of Congress, let's let's let's pull up the congressional map for Oregon.

01:17:55.000 And I'm saying I think it would be even more significant on like the the state government level.

01:18:01.000 Like the state legislature is where I think it would be most significant for them.

01:18:06.000 So, uh... Yeah, all the... Yeah, it's Republican.

01:18:14.000 It's all Republican.

01:18:15.000 But it's just one district.

01:18:16.000 Exactly.

01:18:17.000 So if that one district joined Idaho, you got one Republican.

01:18:20.000 Probably the same guy.

01:18:21.000 And then the amount of senators don't change.

01:18:24.000 I'm saying the majorities in the state senate.

01:18:27.000 So like, right now, for their state legislature, the East Coast is irrelevant, but now it will be Republican with the Republican supermajority.

01:18:38.000 And that could lead to extreme hyperpolarization, because Oregon may be constrained a little bit by the somewhat Republican influence of the eastern counties.

01:18:50.000 The West, without any constraints at all, would just drive off the liberal cliff.

01:18:55.000 Yeah, I live in New York.

01:18:57.000 I don't want any of upstate New York to start being grabbed by any states there.

01:19:03.000 You could argue this stuff for a lot of states, I feel like.

01:19:05.000 Outside of cities in the more rural areas.

01:19:07.000 You don't want upstate New Hampshire and Vermont and New York State to form a coalition?

01:19:11.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:19:12.000 I guess it's not really... New York's probably the reddest area, the Northeast. 0.70

01:19:15.000 But I feel like a lot of states could do this.

01:19:17.000 Most rural areas are more Republican compared to the cities.

01:19:25.000 What do you think is going to happen to Texas?

01:19:26.000 Because you're in Austin, right?

01:19:27.000 Austin's gotten pretty blue over the last couple years. 0.98

01:19:29.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, I love this show, and I've loved this conversation, but I do not give a fuck about this. 0.98

01:19:37.000 And maybe I'm wrong. 0.93

01:19:38.000 I'm not even trying to be aggressive or abrasive or anything.

01:19:40.000 I just don't think it's going to happen.

01:19:42.000 Maybe it'll happen.

01:19:42.000 It's like the Texas secession thing you just brought up too.

01:19:45.000 I like the idea that a state can split away or join another state.

01:19:48.000 I like the idea that the people can be represented by a different state if they want to and decide through a legal process to do it. 0.90

01:19:54.000 But at this point it's like, it's not going to fucking happen. 0.97

01:19:56.000 I don't fucking care. 0.98

01:19:58.000 You know? 0.99

01:19:59.000 Well, yeah, of course it's not going to happen.

01:20:00.000 And that's the first thing I said.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:20:02.000 I agree with you.

01:20:03.000 The question is, would it be good governance to allow states to dictate their borders?

01:20:08.000 That's a good question.

01:20:09.000 It probably would be good governance, in my opinion. 0.99

01:20:11.000 Because we're seeing more and more of it, especially in the Pacific Northwest with the state of Jefferson, which could be Northern California as its own It deeply troubles me the reasons that shit like this doesn't happen. 0.89

01:20:22.000 Because congressional members are worried about shifting demographics and districts, and because it's about gerrymandering and whether or not it's going to increase or decrease congressional seats. 0.91

01:20:30.000 That bothers me, but it's not going to happen.

01:20:35.000 When I see this type of thing in the paper, it's like the Joe Rogan bit.

01:20:38.000 Next!

01:20:41.000 No, I can understand that.

01:20:42.000 I mean, I think ultimately the fact that there are coalitions of people who are saying we are deeply unhappy speaks to what we were talking about before.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, and if Texas voted to secede and it became like a war, I would sign up! 1.00

01:20:51.000 I mean, I would do it, but I'm not like... But I think there's a big difference between counties being like, we want to be represented by another state, this won't affect the federal makeup in any way.

01:21:00.000 It's not secession.

01:21:00.000 It's not secession, you're right.

01:21:01.000 Right, and so the reason I bring this up specifically is that you've got California and Texas who have their secessionist movements that want to leave the entirety of the country.

01:21:08.000 Right, CalExit and Texit.

01:21:09.000 But then you have the lesser of, how about instead of breaking the country apart we just find better representation at the state and local level?

01:21:16.000 Right.

01:21:16.000 Well, I'm not opposed to the notion that this should be allowed to happen.

01:21:23.000 Yeah, three western Maryland counties wrote letters saying they wanted to secede from the state and join West Virginia.

01:21:28.000 It'll change the tax revenue makeup a lot, so the legislatures locally will be upset about that. 0.92

01:21:34.000 I don't know.

01:21:36.000 It's true.

01:21:37.000 Maryland's like, we're going to lose how much money if we do this?

01:21:39.000 Right.

01:21:40.000 I don't know how much money Maryland actually generates from the western counties.

01:21:44.000 They may actually spend more than they make.

01:21:45.000 They probably generate more than they spend, because I bet you most of the resources go to the urban areas.

01:21:50.000 So when you lose revenue, even though it's an inexpensive part of the state, it negatively probably impacts the more urban areas disproportionately.

01:21:59.000 Maybe, but I don't know that in the rural areas enough is going on to generate any kind of revenue.

01:22:03.000 The majority of the revenue is typically generated in the urban areas.

01:22:06.000 That being said, I don't know what Baltimore's generating.

01:22:08.000 Baltimore's got high crime.

01:22:10.000 You know, people don't want to go there.

01:22:11.000 It's kind of sad.

01:22:12.000 You've got the Horseshoe Casino up in Baltimore, and when you go there, every 10 feet there's a sign saying something like, you are safe, or something like this.

01:22:20.000 I don't like that they have to tell you that.

01:22:21.000 Which probably means you're not.

01:22:23.000 It's very stressful. 0.99

01:22:23.000 If I saw a sign that said you are safe, I'd be like, shit, where's my gun? 0.99

01:22:27.000 Well, you know, you're in Baltimore so you can't have one. 0.98

01:22:30.000 And then if you go further south you have Maryland Live and then actually just recently at MGM in D.C.

01:22:36.000 someone got robbed again and like stabbed or something.

01:22:39.000 But who was it?

01:22:41.000 Some old guy at MGM.

01:22:43.000 Democrat or Republican?

01:22:44.000 Normie probably. I think the issue with Baltimore is that between Boston, New

01:22:49.000 York, Philly, Baltimore, and DC, Baltimore is the worst one of the five that of all

01:22:55.000 these five cities next to each other relatively so. Why would you ever stop?

01:22:59.000 What's the demographic makeup?

01:23:01.000 In Baltimore?

01:23:01.000 Are you racist?

01:23:02.000 Um, I'm not sure what the, what is it?

01:23:04.000 You sound like you know.

01:23:05.000 I thought you were going to say, I'm not sure if I'm racist.

01:23:07.000 No, yeah, no, it sounds like you know. 1.00

01:23:08.000 I'm just fucking with you, man. 0.99

01:23:11.000 I'm trying to ask difficult questions. 0.99

01:23:13.000 So I want to pull up this, uh, I'm going to pull up this tweet here.

01:23:15.000 Ooh, how did I did a red do? 0.74

01:23:17.000 Oh no, wait, wait, what is this?

01:23:19.000 This is not what I'm trying to pull up.

01:23:20.000 I'm trying to pull up this.

01:23:21.000 So we have this tweet from Roz Alerts.

01:23:24.000 China military have begun drills surrounding the entirety of Taiwan, including the islands of Kinmen and Dongyan, state media says.

01:23:31.000 I don't know what the update is on this.

01:23:33.000 This was an hour ago that this story broke.

01:23:36.000 A lot of people are saying, holy crap, things are starting to light up.

01:23:39.000 But we do have this story as well.

01:23:40.000 From SCNR, Russia launches tactical nuclear drills near Ukraine.

01:23:45.000 Analysts say the exercises are meant to send a clear message to the West.

01:23:50.000 So what's going on, Alad?

01:23:51.000 Before we get into that, Chase, Mr. Populist, I wanted to ask, what is the populist response to if China attacks Taiwan?

01:23:59.000 How does America respond? 0.95

01:24:01.000 In my opinion, and I can't speak for all of populism or populists, but in my opinion, the populist response is we shouldn't give a fuck about any of these countries except our own country, and we should put America first.

01:24:10.000 So all the money that we print in order to spend on defending Taiwan from threats like China only serves to weaken our working class and our people.

01:24:18.000 It's not an America first policy, so it's not a populist policy.

01:24:21.000 I think in the surrounding seas around Taiwan, the South China Sea, around like 50% of world trade, world GDP trade, goes through there.

01:24:30.000 Well, it's too bad that we allowed ourselves to be so dependent on Chinese manufacturing, so we got to the point where this was a problem for us.

01:24:35.000 If we were actually populist, we wouldn't have fucked ourselves by outsourcing slavery to China, and we'd be manufacturing our own prescription drugs, our own products, instead of importing them from China. 0.51

01:24:44.000 So that's also the anti-populist problem. 0.92

01:24:47.000 Are we also populistly abandoning our allies in Japan and Korea? 0.99

01:24:51.000 Fuck yeah we are. 1.00

01:24:52.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:24:53.000 Fuck Ukraine. 1.00

01:24:54.000 Fuck Israel. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Fuck Russia. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Fuck Taliban. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Fuck Taiwan. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Fuck them all. 1.00

01:24:57.000 I was talking about the ones in Pacific. 1.00

01:24:59.000 All of them.

01:25:00.000 I think you've sworn more than anyone's ever sworn on the show before.

01:25:03.000 I'm sorry, you want me to cut it out?

01:25:04.000 We usually don't swear.

01:25:05.000 You didn't tell me that before the show.

01:25:06.000 I would have watched it.

01:25:07.000 Well, we usually tell people, like, we try not to swear because people have kids watching, but I think you've said it like 70 times, so at this point I'm just gonna be like... Oh, I'll genuinely apologize for that.

01:25:15.000 I'm not really mad or anything, I just, I'm like... I know, I don't think you're mad.

01:25:19.000 I'm just genuinely apologizing to you, I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable. 0.92

01:25:21.000 I understand you're passionate about the issues, too, because a lot of people think that, yeah, we shouldn't have any involvement, so I don't... To hell with these people.

01:25:30.000 We just get emails from people because they'll play the show with their kids in the living room or in their car.

01:25:34.000 See, the thing with me is I'm on InfoWars and we're on radio, so you can't swear because it's against the law.

01:25:37.000 And so whenever I come on podcasts, I'm like, finally, I can say the F word.

01:25:41.000 I strongly disagree.

01:25:42.000 It's not F these countries.

01:25:44.000 I love South Korea.

01:25:45.000 I love Japan.

01:25:46.000 I love Taiwan.

01:25:47.000 I love Israel.

01:25:48.000 I love them too, but not as much as America.

01:25:49.000 Like, I love women, but I only sleep with my wife. 1.00

01:25:53.000 Of course, but I think it's important for our allies not to be overrun by communists in the case of China, in the Asian Pacific, or Islamists in the case of the Middle East.

01:26:03.000 I am sick and tired of all of this funding for all this war and we're not giving enough funding to Korea.

01:26:08.000 South Korea?

01:26:09.000 Yeah, why are we giving money to Israel or Taiwan or Ukraine?

01:26:13.000 We should be funding Korea. 1.00

01:26:14.000 We give troops to South Korea.

01:26:15.000 We should be giving.

01:26:18.000 I want 200 billion dollars sent to South Korea, you know, because North Korea is a real threat to this country. 0.98

01:26:25.000 They're working on nuclear weapons and, you know, we got the real risk of war with North Korea, so we should just give everything to South Korea. 1.00

01:26:31.000 I think we should only focus on our allyship with England, not even Scotland and Wales, just England only.

01:26:37.000 I personally, in Canada, another great country in my opinion, as soon as two doesn't, doesn't

01:26:42.000 trade, who goes?

01:26:43.000 Yeah, like why are we giving money to Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan or any other country

01:26:46.000 for that matter when South Korea is the real important country?

01:26:48.000 I think we've had millions of brave, heroic patriots fight against the communists in China

01:26:54.000 in the Korean War and I hope the conflict doesn't break out again.

01:26:57.000 A lot will not be detected.

01:26:58.000 I just want to let everybody know, I'm joking by the way.

01:27:00.000 I don't think we should be funding any of it or be involved in any capacity.

01:27:03.000 Oh, I don't think we should be involved at all.

01:27:04.000 But again, because I have, you know, genetic ties to two countries, I have a favor to do for them.

01:27:09.000 I'm happy to admit it.

01:27:10.000 You favor your own genetics?

01:27:11.000 Yeah, I do.

01:27:12.000 Would you say they're superior?

01:27:13.000 Whoa.

01:27:14.000 Because I've seen all these people where it's like, you'll hear someone and they'll be like,

01:27:19.000 we shouldn't be funding Ukraine, and you'll be like, what about Israel?

01:27:21.000 And they'll go, well, hold on there, you know, that's different.

01:27:24.000 And so I was just like, before the show, I was like, maybe I should just have that, but

01:27:27.000 for Korea.

01:27:28.000 Like, all of a sudden, just for some reason, be a neocon when it comes to South Korea.

01:27:32.000 It's interesting because many of the people in Congress, the Republicans, who are anti-Ukraine funding are still very pro-Taiwan funding and are hawkishly anti-China, which I'm thankful for, you know, but it's just hypocritical in that point.

01:27:46.000 Even Tulsi Gabbard, I think, too, right?

01:27:47.000 Like, wasn't she critical of Ukraine but supportive of Israel funding?

01:27:51.000 It'd be cool if everyone took the same policy.

01:27:52.000 Yeah, but she was very quiet about Israel for like six months.

01:27:55.000 I looked it up on Twitter.

01:27:57.000 Tulsi said she doesn't want America to defend Taiwan in the case of a Chinese attack, is what she said.

01:28:03.000 But you have people like J.D.

01:28:04.000 Vance who are hawkishly anti-CCP but not pro-Ukraine funding.

01:28:10.000 Apparently the superconductors are really important.

01:28:13.000 It's like making somewhere else.

01:28:14.000 In America, perhaps?

01:28:15.000 A great idea?

01:28:17.000 I mean, I agree with you.

01:28:17.000 I think that the priority should be our country first, and I can understand where we have geopolitical relationships, but to be fair, I think America makes kind of a mess of everything they do on the international stage, especially right now.

01:28:28.000 How much better off is Iraq and Afghanistan because we got involved in protecting their democracy?

01:28:32.000 If we allow our democratic allies in Taiwan to fall... We have no democratic allies.

01:28:36.000 Japan and South Korea wouldn't have faith in us coming to defense, and then nuclear proliferation would be a huge issue.

01:28:42.000 Nuclear proliferation is an issue, but not because our enemies are getting atomic weapons.

01:28:47.000 It's because of our allies wanting atomic weapons when they feel threatened and we don't want to come and assist them in their defense.

01:28:53.000 So, you know, if Taiwan falls, the first thing South Korea is going to want is a nuclear weapon.

01:28:57.000 Same with Japan. 0.83

01:28:58.000 Uh, the less we aid Ukraine, the more they will want a nuclear weapon in the future. 0.83

01:29:03.000 future. One of the original reasons they disarmed their nuclear arsenal originally was because

01:29:08.000 we would defend them in case of an attack.

01:29:10.000 Didn't Poland just offer to house our nuclear weapons if we wanted to put them there? I 0.82

01:29:13.000 mean, like, I get what you're saying. On the other hand, I don't think it changes my position.

01:29:16.000 I think ultimately, we didn't do a good job of inserting ourselves into the world internationally.

01:29:21.000 And in fact, we hurt the American economy by shipping manufacturing overseas, which

01:29:25.000 we said was going to help local economies or do whatever else. Like, this is not the

01:29:29.000 way to help everybody by saying, well, everyone's going to be dependent on us all the time,

01:29:33.000 especially when the people who are actually dependent on us American citizens feel as

01:29:37.000 though we've left a gashing hole in the border. And also, all of them are worried about how

01:29:42.000 to pay for their bills at the end of the month.

01:29:44.000 If we are in charge of one population, the American people, they should feel like they are doing really well before we start saying, okay, here's what we're going to promise the rest of the world.

01:29:53.000 We can't even come to our own promises that we have for our own voters.

01:29:55.000 Why would we say, yes, you can depend on us for all these kinds of things.

01:29:58.000 No worries.

01:30:00.000 I absolutely agree.

01:30:02.000 And if we really think China is a threat and that we should stand up against the CCP if they attack Taiwan, then why is it that we're giving them so many millions and billions of dollars?

01:30:11.000 Do you not think China, the Communist Chinese government, is a threat to American hegemony and American interests, writ large? 0.95

01:30:19.000 That's a difficult question for me to answer, yes or no.

01:30:22.000 I would say that China is a competitor, but not a threat.

01:30:25.000 And I think anytime China has been or will be a threat will be because we've probably induced that threat. 0.98

01:30:32.000 Like, I have a problem with the CCP spying on us through TikTok less than I have a problem on our government.

01:30:39.000 Extending FISA to spy on us.

01:30:41.000 So it's going to try to ban TikTok because spying on the American people is something only our enemies do in the same 10 days that it passes legislation to spy on us.

01:30:48.000 Like, our own government.

01:30:50.000 The greatest threat to national security in America is the government of the United States.

01:30:55.000 But there's a material difference.

01:30:55.000 It is the number one enemy of the American people.

01:30:56.000 There's a material difference between our government spying on us, which again, I don't think is great.

01:31:01.000 What material difference?

01:31:02.000 Quantify it.

01:31:02.000 Versus, wait, versus the Chinese government?

01:31:04.000 Quantify it.

01:31:05.000 No, we can't.

01:31:07.000 Yeah, Edward Snowden came out and said that the government was spying on us and it's a violation of our Fourth Amendment rights and the only person that got arrested for it or charged with any crimes for it was Edward Snowden.

01:31:20.000 No, we don't.

01:31:23.000 First of all, it never says democracy once in the Constitution.

01:31:25.000 Second of all, even if it did, this isn't democratic.

01:31:27.000 We live in a representative democracy where your votes matter and we elect officials and that doesn't happen in China.

01:31:34.000 So I think that's the material difference.

01:31:36.000 Also, we're a country based on the Constitution and freedoms and China is a country based on communism. 0.72

01:31:41.000 You think that the United States, as it is today, you think that the United States is based off of the Constitution as it is today?

01:31:47.000 I think we have the first and second amendment and I think that's something you don't have in communist China.

01:31:52.000 How many states were you allowed to own a gun in in 1980?

01:31:57.000 I don't know.

01:31:58.000 I think it was like probably two.

01:32:00.000 You were only allowed to own a gun in the United States?

01:32:02.000 Gun rights. 0.90

01:32:03.000 The right to keep and bear arms outside of your home really came into effect with D.C.

01:32:06.000 versus Heller in 2008.

01:32:07.000 I didn't know that.

01:32:08.000 Yeah, George Carlin got arrested for swearing at a comedy club.

01:32:12.000 Imagine what would have happened to me.

01:32:12.000 God.

01:32:14.000 We had blasphemy laws a couple hundred years ago.

01:32:17.000 You could get arrested.

01:32:18.000 So do you think that the United States is a country based off the Constitution?

01:32:21.000 I think we're a lot more free than any other country.

01:32:22.000 Frederick Douglass famously challenged the American people to live up to the documents.

01:32:26.000 I agree with that.

01:32:26.000 I think it's dangerous also to like both sides are government with communist regimes like that, but... The United States...

01:32:32.000 I believe has a problem.

01:32:33.000 You're probably right about that, too.

01:32:34.000 We have a problem with corruption in government, and it is not nearly as bad as most government problems.

01:32:39.000 Like the white pill by Michael Malice.

01:32:41.000 I mean, that was basically the whole point of that book.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, the CCP is infinitely worse than the establishment.

01:32:47.000 I agree.

01:32:48.000 But there's something particularly egregious about a government betraying its own people that is just not the same when another government does it.

01:32:55.000 This is the issue, right?

01:32:57.000 We are what's referred to academically as a liberal democracy.

01:33:02.000 It depends on the institutions you have within it, if you want to get to the nitty-gritty.

01:33:04.000 So we're a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.

01:33:09.000 Countries like this, because it largely does, at least in some degree, seek to have input from the people, are referred to as liberal democracy in that capacity.

01:33:19.000 We can FOIA requests, as Alad mentioned, we can file lawsuits, and we win.

01:33:24.000 The reason why I'm in favor of the TikTok divestment bill is because, for one, it's not really a ban.

01:33:29.000 TikTok can still operate.

01:33:30.000 You can go to TikTok.us, it'll still exist, it just won't be on different servers outside of the country.

01:33:34.000 But it won't be on iPhones, it could be on Android.

01:33:37.000 It's kind of a ban.

01:33:41.000 This is the challenge.

01:33:41.000 I mean, it's like saying that Alex Jones didn't get banned because he could still have his own servers.

01:33:45.000 I mean, technically, he was legally allowed to operate, but the impact is so... Alex Jones got banned from YouTube.

01:33:50.000 Yes.

01:33:51.000 The divestment bill would ban TikTok.

01:33:53.000 So TikTok is going to get banned from Apple?

01:33:54.000 It would be banned from U.S.

01:33:55.000 servers.

01:33:56.000 If they don't sell.

01:33:57.000 But my point is, if they don't divest.

01:34:00.000 And so it's not even selling, it's selling 1% of the company, which they refuse to do and they're going to lay people off.

01:34:05.000 When it comes to Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc., we filed FOIA requests, we filed lawsuits, we won.

01:34:10.000 Elon Musk bought X, released a bunch of documents.

01:34:12.000 You can't do that with TikTok.

01:34:13.000 Yes, you're right.

01:34:15.000 The United States has problems.

01:34:17.000 We're actually fighting a culture war, and in many ways we're winning.

01:34:19.000 Targets abandoning their pride section, Bud Light panicked, they didn't give us everything they wanted and apologized, but they did still start backtracking.

01:34:26.000 And then you've got Donald Trump, the frontrunner, right now to win in November.

01:34:30.000 That doesn't mean we've won, but this doesn't exist in China.

01:34:34.000 Okay, fair enough.

01:34:35.000 So it's like, with all the problems we have, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

01:34:39.000 But the original question was whether or not the CCP was a threat.

01:34:42.000 Yes.

01:34:42.000 Massively.

01:34:43.000 You think it's a threat to the United States of America?

01:34:46.000 I absolutely do.

01:34:48.000 100%.

01:34:48.000 Can you be a little bit more specific about what that means?

01:34:50.000 Because threat's a very broad-stroke term.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:54.000 But in what area?

01:34:55.000 Do you mean like military?

01:34:56.000 Do you mean culturally?

01:34:57.000 I mean, in what ways?

01:34:59.000 China's strategy, China's efforts, China's end goals involve the destruction and the end of the United States. 0.64

01:35:06.000 Like the 100-year plan?

01:35:08.000 I don't know necessarily if you want to get into that, but I can tell you this.

01:35:11.000 Militaristically, of course and obviously, the expansion of the South China Sea in violation of international treaties could destabilize the region and could seriously impact our allies, our resources, etc.

01:35:23.000 Now, that being said, I'm more America first.

01:35:26.000 I like to keep things here in the United States.

01:35:27.000 We're going to have international relations.

01:35:29.000 We're going to have trade. 1.00

01:35:29.000 I don't care to go to war over Taiwan. 1.00

01:35:31.000 But the expansion of the military and building atoll bases in South China Sea and then sending strike groups near Hawaii and Alaska is putting pressure on our boundaries and our territory.

01:35:41.000 TikTok is the best example of China directly assaulting the United States. 0.92

01:35:46.000 TikTok becomes massively popular in the United States and starts sending weird, woke garbage to children. 0.91

01:35:51.000 It definitely brainwashed an entire generation of our people, 100%. 0.62

01:35:55.000 That means in 20, 30 years, when these people who are brainwashed are in industry, it's going to be like, Putting a a a look you call it a mind virus.

01:36:05.000 It is a it is a social mind virus in our society which is going to economically and physically damage us and already did.

01:36:13.000 That's why I'm like TikTok must be assessed and held accountable in whatever mean appropriate.

01:36:19.000 I'm not going to give Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or any other platform a free pass on this one, but if you look at X, we've got some solutions there.

01:36:28.000 Not only did we have FOIA federal government's communications with Facebook and Twitter, which we learned.

01:36:33.000 We had Alex Berenson's lawsuit against Twitter, and then we learned they were coordinating with government.

01:36:39.000 We're able to fight those battles, and we've won many of them.

01:36:42.000 And we're still facing serious challenges.

01:36:44.000 But since TikTok is operated by the CCP and it's outside the jurisdiction of the United States, there's no way to deploy it, there's no way to litigate it, to see what they're doing to try and manipulate algorithms.

01:36:52.000 And it is China attacking us, causing us harm to our nation, the fabric of this country, to destroy it. 0.99

01:36:57.000 They're buying up land and the government is allowing it to happen.

01:37:01.000 I have a problem with that too.

01:37:02.000 There's a risk for China in that regard because the government could nationalize that in a second and China would lose their minds.

01:37:08.000 China's also been attacking us, our cyber infrastructure, for two decades.

01:37:12.000 You can actually track the cyber attacks that are low scale and watch them in real time on various websites where you can see what I would describe as Chinese Corsair hackers, effectively pirates in the modern era, that are under commission.

01:37:12.000 Yes.

01:37:26.000 I forgot the name of the group.

01:37:27.000 There was one famous group.

01:37:28.000 The way it works is China will indirectly provide funding to hacker groups in China and they'll be like, you have free reign to commit any crime you want as long as it's against the United States and Europe.

01:37:43.000 So these people within Chinese borders are stealing money. 1.00

01:37:46.000 Look at the phone calls you get every day.

01:37:48.000 You ever notice those phone calls where it's just like weird Mandarin phone calls? 0.99

01:37:52.000 Understand that in modern warfare, what China is looking to do is maximize friction without engaging in physical conflict.

01:38:01.000 So something as simple as getting a phone call may seem innocuous.

01:38:05.000 But if their math is, hey, if we do 100,000 phone calls to random phones in the United States every day, our estimates are that we could slow economic activity by 0.02%.

01:38:16.000 So the interruption is the attack.

01:38:18.000 And it's meaningless to you as an individual, but when you scale it up to 300 million people, you can actually measure the economic activity that someone's in the middle of a meeting and their phone rings and they stop to check it.

01:38:28.000 That in one meeting is meaningless to you as an individual, but that adds up in the long run.

01:38:32.000 These are all meant to destabilize the United States.

01:38:36.000 They're actively doing it.

01:38:38.000 And the challenge is, China's strategy is the, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you. 0.98

01:38:43.000 So they're doing these things, I will say outright, TikTok is a psychological warfare.

01:38:49.000 It's psychological warfare on the United States, targeting our youth, so that in 20 years, we are, I'm sorry, did you see the video of the guy on the aircraft carrier putting on makeup and then thrusting his hips around?

01:39:01.000 This is our military that is now more focused on doing drag shows than on defending this nation.

01:39:08.000 They're putting DEI policy into effect.

01:39:10.000 Because of what China is doing. 0.51

01:39:10.000 Why? 0.51

01:39:12.000 Not only that, with TikTok, they say you've got 175 million active users in the United States, and large portions of them are businesses.

01:39:20.000 Since when did we agree to allow the CCP to control economics in any capacity in this country?

01:39:26.000 And then you've got people who are like, no, don't ban TikTok.

01:39:28.000 And I'm like, why?

01:39:30.000 It's China attacking the United States militaristically.

01:39:34.000 So China is a massive threat.

01:39:36.000 They're a bigger threat than the things that are happening in this country that we can actually fight against.

01:39:42.000 We would not be having the Bud Light conversation at all.

01:39:44.000 There would be no Bud Light conversation if it were not for the CCP attacking our young people.

01:39:49.000 So the CCP literally ruined Bud Light?

01:39:51.000 Yes.

01:39:52.000 You might not be thinking about war with them, but they're definitely thinking about war with you.

01:39:57.000 Well, I definitely believe that the CCP is a threat in the sense that it wants to subvert

01:40:00.000 the dollar as the global reserve currency. But part of the way you do that is by getting the

01:40:05.000 United States involved in all these international conflicts, so they have to print money to fund it.

01:40:08.000 They teach, in China they teach, that our values, our American values, are antithetical to their values. 0.97

01:40:14.000 They see our democracy as a weakness.

01:40:16.000 They see free speech as an opportunity to just cause chaos.

01:40:19.000 They see the Second Amendment as giving people too much individual rights.

01:40:22.000 You gotta keep in mind, I'm no fan of the CCP.

01:40:24.000 I'm just...

01:40:26.000 Here's the reason that I was so eager to say that I didn't think China was a threat.

01:40:29.000 It was probably a little rash of me.

01:40:31.000 The reason I was so eager is because when something happens in Taiwan, all of the neocons are going to just hype up how much of a threat the CCP is to justify sending billions and billions of dollars or escalating the conflict.

01:40:44.000 And that's why I hate saying things like, yes, China's a threat, or yes, China's an enemy, even though it's probably true. 1.00

01:40:48.000 You guys both made excellent points.

01:40:50.000 So I can see that.

01:40:50.000 I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I just hate the way that's used and abused by the right and the left to justify funding Israel, and then giving aid simultaneously to the Palestinians, and then funding Ukraine, and then funding Taiwan.

01:41:04.000 I mean, it just seems like we're always wrapped up in war after war because everybody's a threat.

01:41:08.000 Always.

01:41:09.000 And it seems like we make the threats up just so we can fund the conflicts half the time.

01:41:13.000 And I'm just pushing back against that.

01:41:15.000 That's all.

01:41:15.000 Well, in terms of Russia, Ukraine, Israel, it's their threats to us in the sense of there is an elite group of military-industrial-complex goons who have enacted foreign policy plans, and their plans are being threatened.

01:41:32.000 So in essence, not really a threat to the United States as a nation.

01:41:36.000 Unless you really just want to live off the petrodollar.

01:41:39.000 I'll tell you the reality is this.

01:41:42.000 If America First got its utopian vision, you'd probably work 12 hours a day.

01:41:48.000 Maybe that's a little rough.

01:41:49.000 No, I think 12 is fair.

01:41:51.000 If you're doing what you love.

01:41:52.000 I don't know if it would be love, but people need to understand that Yeah, we don't really manufacture a lot relative to what we consume and produce here.

01:42:04.000 Right.

01:42:04.000 We basically just make food.

01:42:07.000 Yeah.

01:42:07.000 That's like our main export.

01:42:09.000 And culture.

01:42:10.000 And the principal issue is that so long as the U.S.

01:42:12.000 is forced to use the dollar, our dollar has values and we have unlimited oil, basically.

01:42:16.000 So we are constrained in that we can't just take all the oil and do whatever we want with it.

01:42:21.000 There's limits because the Saudis can dump oil and flood the market and affect the petrodollar, but you've got countries that have to produce enough exports so that their currency is stable against the dollar so they can trade for it to get oil.

01:42:34.000 The U.S.

01:42:34.000 doesn't have to do that.

01:42:35.000 The U.S.

01:42:36.000 and the Federal Reserve will just make money when they feel like spending it and they'll debase the currency and then hope no one does anything.

01:42:40.000 So long as we have the guns pointed at everybody around the world, we don't have to worry about people getting mad that we just devalued the debt they were holding.

01:42:47.000 And what are you going to do about it?

01:42:49.000 Well, we're gonna go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, click join us at the website, become a member, and you'll get access to the uncensored call-in show coming up in about 20 minutes.

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01:43:29.000 Clint Torres is back!

01:43:30.000 He says, howdy people!

01:43:31.000 Howdy Clint, welcome back.

01:43:33.000 Token Black Eye in the second super chat saying, howdy people.

01:43:37.000 Phil, can I get a let's go?

01:43:38.000 There is no Phil.

01:43:39.000 There is only Elad.

01:43:41.000 Let's go!

01:43:42.000 Is that what you sound like?

01:43:43.000 You're almost gonna be the lead singer of a metal band now.

01:43:46.000 Let's go!

01:43:47.000 All right, Igor Voicu says, First, hi Tim, I know it's a long shot, but can I get a shoutout on my first video on my channel?

01:43:56.000 I was born in Ukraine, but I discussed my America First perspective on the Ukraine wars as a naturalized US citizen.

01:44:02.000 A shoutout is worth more than $10,000.

01:44:04.000 Is that what they say?

01:44:05.000 I don't know, what is your channel called?

01:44:10.000 Is it just Igor Voicu?

01:44:12.000 Is that the name of your channel?

01:44:15.000 Igor, Igor!

01:44:16.000 Igor?

01:44:17.000 Igor.

01:44:18.000 I'm an Igor guy.

01:44:19.000 That's probably how it's pronounced, yeah.

01:44:21.000 I'm assuming that's your channel, so everybody can search for it.

01:44:24.000 American First Ukrainian.

01:44:26.000 Aquafan says Biden off the ballot in Ohio.

01:44:30.000 Aren't there some blue states giving all their electors to the winner of the popular vote?

01:44:33.000 Ohio makes much easier for Trump to win the popular vote.

01:44:36.000 That is not yet.

01:44:37.000 So the National Popular Vote Coalition doesn't go into effect until they have more than 270 electoral votes.

01:44:43.000 And I believe they should be sued as this is unconstitutional.

01:44:46.000 It should be allowed.

01:44:48.000 Another potential catalyst to civil war if that ever happens. 0.99

01:44:52.000 You said there's no civil war coming, so you can't take it back now.

01:44:54.000 We haven't hit that yet, though.

01:44:55.000 We haven't hit the switch until the popular vote.

01:44:57.000 Oh, now he's changing his position.

01:44:58.000 How interesting.

01:44:59.000 I think we're like 210 electoral votes.

01:45:00.000 Some amount of states, right, need to approve or say they're going to do it.

01:45:04.000 However, I will stress, this means California can go Republican.

01:45:09.000 It's like the weirdest idea ever.

01:45:11.000 They're like, we're going to give all our votes to whoever won the popular vote.

01:45:14.000 And it's like, that means right now California will never give their electors to Republican.

01:45:19.000 But if you do this pact, it means they might.

01:45:21.000 I feel like it's a risk we're willing to take.

01:45:24.000 Thank you so much.

01:45:26.000 Except when they're bringing in wave after wave of non-citizen and allowing non-citizens to vote. 0.90

01:45:30.000 Trump won California in 2020.

01:45:34.000 Unbelievable.

01:45:34.000 I mean, I live there.

01:45:35.000 there. It's miserable. Max Reddick says Tim, you should do a culture war episode with Destiny. 0.90

01:45:39.000 Talk about J6. Whoa. Was that talk about J6, Trump cases, Biden family, corruption, etc.

01:45:45.000 It would be an epic show. I kind of feel like Destiny would engage in. I don't think there

01:45:54.000 would be actual debate.

01:45:56.000 Because Destiny's debate style is more based on, like, morality and purpose.

01:46:01.000 And I would just say something like, Joe Biden did X. And he would go, well, okay, so what?

01:46:05.000 And I'd be like, then we agree.

01:46:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 Like, I was talking with Destiny on the show before, and I said, you know, during the lockdowns, Democrats were enacting these policies, and he goes, when else would they do them?

01:46:16.000 And I said, for sure.

01:46:18.000 When Destiny was in the debate with Krasensteins and Alex Jones at Infowars? 0.99

01:46:24.000 At the end, Alex went to shake everybody's hands, and he reached for Destiny's hand to shake his hand, and Destiny just looked at him and said, I fucking hate you, man. 1.00

01:46:34.000 And ever since then, I've been like, that guy's a fucking asshole. 1.00

01:46:37.000 Wow. 1.00

01:46:38.000 You know? 1.00

01:46:39.000 Regardless of whether he's right or not, he's an asshole. 1.00

01:46:40.000 What was Jones' response? 1.00

01:46:42.000 He just, you know, moved on and shook the Krasinski's hand like a gentleman, you know?

01:46:45.000 Just ate it.

01:46:45.000 Yeah.

01:46:46.000 He just smiled, you know?

01:46:47.000 He was having a great time that night.

01:46:49.000 He's like, did I do good?

01:46:50.000 I'm like, yeah, you did great.

01:46:52.000 It was fun.

01:46:52.000 Cole Marshall says, did a 50-pound farmer's carry today.

01:46:55.000 Gonna start making fitness content to inspire more people.

01:46:59.000 If I was an old sub and re-sub to the website, can I join Collins?

01:47:04.000 Also favorite lifts.

01:47:07.000 If you were already a member and you log into your account and re-up, you should still have all the same access, but I don't know for sure.

01:47:14.000 You might have to, is that?

01:47:16.000 Yeah, because your account is as old as your account is, so like, I'm pretty sure if you signed up today, and then cancelled next month, and then like 8 months later re-signed up, you'd probably still have access?

01:47:26.000 Yeah, okay, I think so.

01:47:28.000 Because it's the age of the account, but I'm not sure.

01:47:31.000 The reason we do the 6 month time gate, or...

01:47:34.000 You sign up for $10 a month, and then after six months you get access to the call-in room, or you sign up at $25 a month today, and you have instant access.

01:47:43.000 It's because we had weirdos that were trying to come in and just causing problems.

01:47:47.000 They were trying to overload the system and flood it so that it wasn't working properly, and so we were like, we have to have a gate.

01:47:52.000 And apparently $25 is expensive enough to where people stop trying to come and cause problems.

01:47:59.000 And it's just, it's like, you know, what are you going to do, I guess?

01:48:03.000 No one- Some people might wait six months and try, but they usually forget about it.

01:48:07.000 Let's go!

01:48:08.000 Shrek Donkey says- Donkey!

01:48:11.000 Says, furniture store in Houston area giving 50% discount if rep wins this year.

01:48:17.000 Gallery furniture is store name.

01:48:19.000 What was the promo?

01:48:20.000 If who wins?

01:48:21.000 Republicans.

01:48:22.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:22.000 Well, there you go.

01:48:25.000 I hope someone who's never voted for it goes to the polls and votes Republican because I really want this discount.

01:48:31.000 I love that chair!

01:48:33.000 I must get it on this percent off.

01:48:36.000 All right.

01:48:36.000 Anarchy76 says, hi, been watching almost every day for years.

01:48:40.000 He's not here today, but I wanted to say I'm going to see Phil with Megadeth and Mudvayne on August 2nd in Rogers, Arkansas.

01:48:46.000 My first All That Remains show.

01:48:48.000 Excited.

01:48:48.000 Keep up the good work.

01:48:49.000 You know, I think All That Remains is better than Mudvayne and Megadeth.

01:48:54.000 Whoa.

01:48:56.000 Yeah, and it's, you know, but it's like, all that remains has got more, I feel like, melodic music.

01:49:02.000 I don't know.

01:49:04.000 I definitely think it's better.

01:49:04.000 That being said, I've never listened to the other two ever, and I talk to Phil regularly all the time.

01:49:09.000 I also really don't know any of Phil's music.

01:49:11.000 I'll admit that on air right now.

01:49:13.000 He's a fun guy.

01:49:14.000 I also don't know any of Phil's music, but hearing this guy, this super chatter say he's going to one of his concerts makes me want to go.

01:49:20.000 So maybe one day I'll steal Hannah Clare and we'll go to Phil's concert.

01:49:22.000 We should! 0.99

01:49:25.000 Shut up, Phil. 1.00

01:49:26.000 Yeah! 0.98

01:49:26.000 Alright, Anthony Shaw says, The FBI clearing 126 rooms has nothing to do with classified documents. 0.98

01:49:31.000 They were looking for a fight, looking for someone to shoot back at an unlawful entry into a hotel room.

01:49:36.000 Imagine staying at a Red Roof Inn and the door opens.

01:49:39.000 What would you do?

01:49:39.000 And it's Florida, where people have guns.

01:49:41.000 This is what people need to understand about Mar-a-Lago.

01:49:43.000 It's not like a house with one guy sitting in it.

01:49:45.000 At any given moment, there's a ton of random people who are ordering from a restaurant.

01:49:50.000 You go to Mar-a-Lago and you sit down and a waiter comes out and says, what would you like for breakfast?

01:49:54.000 And he hands you a menu.

01:49:55.000 It's a restaurant, it's a private club.

01:49:56.000 You're hanging out at the pool and it's Mar-a-Lago, so it's the lagoon, it's the lake to the ocean.

01:50:02.000 You can be on the beach and then walk to the pool and there are servers serving food.

01:50:07.000 And then all of a sudden you're in beach, I stayed in the beach house, there are hotel rooms.

01:50:11.000 They give you keys, you go in, that's literally what it is.

01:50:14.000 I could not imagine if I was there and guys in plain clothes kick the doors in with guns drawn.

01:50:20.000 That's insane.

01:50:21.000 And that was part of their instructions, right?

01:50:22.000 To check every room.

01:50:23.000 Right.

01:50:24.000 And when I went down to Eagle Pass to cover some of the border stuff going on, I mean,

01:50:27.000 it was in Texas.

01:50:28.000 In Texas, you can carry a gun anywhere, even if you don't have a license.

01:50:30.000 And we all had guns, like multiple guns in our rooms.

01:50:34.000 If somebody would have busted in the door, I'm not saying that I would have done this,

01:50:37.000 but it would have been like one of the top two options on my mind.

01:50:41.000 So I don't know what the laws are like in Florida.

01:50:42.000 I'm pretty sure that you can just carry a gun and technically—

01:50:45.000 Concealed carry without a permit is allowed, but open carry is not.

01:50:47.000 But in your hotel room, it probably counts as your residence.

01:50:50.000 And I think Mar-a-Lago's only weapon restriction is active secret service.

01:50:56.000 So I think even when Trump's not there, you can't have weapons on Mar-a-Lago.

01:51:04.000 But in Florida, Mar-a-Lago is split by a road.

01:51:09.000 Right, so there's more than one property that has access over the road, and then there's a tunnel that goes under the road.

01:51:17.000 So you can stay within the grounds of Mar-a-Lago, despite there being a road going through it.

01:51:21.000 So I don't think anyone there, outside of Trump's official security or whatever... I see.

01:51:26.000 In fact, I don't even think his security might be armed.

01:51:29.000 Oh, they gotta be.

01:51:31.000 I don't know.

01:51:31.000 Secret Services.

01:51:33.000 Yeah.

01:51:33.000 But when Trump's not there, they might be.

01:51:34.000 I'm not sure.

01:51:35.000 I think there's rules.

01:51:36.000 Bongino was talking about this, that Secret Service doesn't want anyone else to have weapons because they want to be the only law enforcement with force capability in the event that something happens.

01:51:47.000 They don't want any confusion.

01:51:49.000 Yeah.

01:51:49.000 Monopoly on force.

01:51:51.000 Secret Service.

01:51:52.000 Yep.

01:51:54.000 Let's go!

01:51:55.000 Nathan Strangles says, here's $50 for someone in need.

01:51:57.000 Also love the show, keep it the good fight.

01:51:59.000 Rise with Roberto Jr.

01:52:00.000 is the bee's knees.

01:52:02.000 You know, it was initially, it was my favorite, Rise with Roberto Jr., and then Appalachian Nights, just, man.

01:52:08.000 Was Staying Your Ground sold out the other day?

01:52:09.000 I thought I saw that when you had the website pulled up.

01:52:11.000 Maybe.

01:52:12.000 What if it becomes the new favorite?

01:52:14.000 Maybe.

01:52:15.000 When we first launched, Rise of the Roberto Jr.

01:52:17.000 was our signature, you know, Roberto Jr., of course, the mascot.

01:52:20.000 And then, uh, we didn't really sell that much Appalachian Nights.

01:52:23.000 And I was just like, you know, I like it.

01:52:24.000 It's a dark roast.

01:52:24.000 It's a blend that I came up with.

01:52:26.000 And now it's, we sell 10 times as much Appalachian Nights as anything else.

01:52:30.000 So I was like, okay, that one.

01:52:32.000 Ian's Graphene Dream is, is just, it's been five months backlogged for some reason.

01:52:37.000 Yeah.

01:52:37.000 Did you ever pick the cat charity for Alex Stein's Primetime Grind?

01:52:41.000 Nope!

01:52:42.000 But, uh, we will.

01:52:43.000 I can't even hear his name without laughing.

01:52:45.000 That guy's so funny.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, so we have Alex Stein's Primetime Grind 2x Caffeine Coffee over at Casperoo.

01:52:50.000 And, uh, we, we are, uh...

01:52:53.000 We're we're we got it.

01:52:54.000 We got it on the list finding a good cat charity and then announcing all that stuff.

01:52:58.000 But we I don't want to say too much because Alex is going to be here.

01:53:03.000 So, you know, I got him.

01:53:05.000 I got him to smoke a lucky strike on his show when I was on.

01:53:07.000 He's going to be here tomorrow, actually, isn't he?

01:53:09.000 Yeah, Alex is here tomorrow.

01:53:10.000 So we may we may have something for you.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, it was funny when When we were like, we're gonna sponsor your show, he was like, I will get a kiddie pool and I will fill it with coffee and swim in it, and I was like, you can do whatever you want.

01:53:23.000 I mean, you could!

01:53:24.000 Yeah.

01:53:25.000 It'll be the most fun commercial ever.

01:53:26.000 He's a good guy.

01:53:27.000 But so we like, I think we recently re-upped, so we sponsor his show, and then he promotes Casper Coffee, and in ways that probably a sane company would never allow, but that makes it more fun, you know what I mean?

01:53:39.000 He just wants an excuse to be in a two-piece, I think.

01:53:42.000 A two-piece?

01:53:44.000 Yeah.

01:53:44.000 He did the tuck thing, right?

01:53:46.000 He went to Target and put on the tuck-friendly bathing suit?

01:53:49.000 No, like a female bathing suit.

01:53:51.000 It's like a two, like the top and the bottom.

01:53:54.000 Yeah, no, but he wore like a onesie.

01:53:55.000 Oh, he wore a onesie.

01:53:56.000 Was that the tech-friendly one?

01:53:59.000 Yeah, he's trying it on at the Target.

01:53:59.000 Maybe.

01:54:01.000 It's hilarious.

01:54:02.000 All right, let's read some more Super Chats.

01:54:04.000 Let's go.

01:54:05.000 Brian Egan says, if Trump wins 2024, does the Libertarian Party have an opening to be successor to MAGA instead of the pendulum swinging all the way to the left again in 2028?

01:54:13.000 I don't see that.

01:54:16.000 No, but this, I just want to stress this starting tomorrow, it's the first day of the LP National Convention in D.C.

01:54:25.000 This Friday and Saturday is going to be the craziest party in politics, probably in 20 years or more.

01:54:32.000 It's like, the Libertarians and Republicans are all partying together.

01:54:36.000 This is gonna be nuts.

01:54:39.000 I can't even imagine. 0.92

01:54:40.000 Heroin, hookers, everything the Libertarian Party's been fighting for. 0.95

01:54:43.000 That's right.

01:54:44.000 It's too bad they didn't do it at the uh... FREE AMMUNITION!

01:54:46.000 It would have been a lot better if they did it at MGM National Harbor, because then you've got a bunch of restaurants, you've got the casino, you've got the venue.

01:54:54.000 Are you going?

01:54:55.000 Yeah, I'm going to be there.

01:54:56.000 So you've got to scope out whether or not it comes off right-wing or left-wing.

01:54:58.000 I'm just so excited.

01:55:00.000 I'm expecting it being more right-wing coded, but I'm just excited to see how the crowd and people react to Trump.

01:55:07.000 Oh, he's gonna get booed.

01:55:07.000 Like that?

01:55:08.000 That's gonna be the big question.

01:55:09.000 Count the purple hair.

01:55:10.000 Um, we'll see.

01:55:12.000 He's gonna get booed for sure.

01:55:14.000 We'll see.

01:55:15.000 But it's gonna be, I think it'll be like 60-40 boos to cheers.

01:55:19.000 Because even the Mises Caucus guys are critical of Trump.

01:55:22.000 Do you think he thinks he's gonna get booed though?

01:55:25.000 I don't know if he'd go if he thought he'd get booed.

01:55:25.000 Yes.

01:55:27.000 What if he talks about non-booable shit? 1.00

01:55:30.000 He's going to get booed. 1.00

01:55:31.000 when he announced him, he'll walk out and people will boo him.

01:55:33.000 He's going to get booed. He knows it, but he knows enough people there are persuadable.

01:55:39.000 Yeah. And he's going to come in with the same energy where he, remember that tweet when

01:55:42.000 they were like, he's falling asleep in trial and he was like, I am just resting my beautiful

01:55:46.000 blue eyes. Like if you know half the crowd doesn't like you, you're mentally prepared

01:55:50.000 for it. I actually disagree with Tim. I think he's going to get a bunch of cheers. I think

01:55:54.000 everybody at the Libertarian Convention is going to be starstruck by Trump. He has this

01:55:58.000 aura about him and we'll see.

01:56:01.000 You guys should bet money on it.

01:56:02.000 So I'm saying it's gonna be a mix of cheers and boos.

01:56:04.000 People have already complained.

01:56:05.000 He's already walking back.

01:56:06.000 About Trump being... 60-40, cheers to boos.

01:56:09.000 People have already complained that Trump's coming.

01:56:12.000 Because the attitude is, and we've had the conversation here about RFK as well, why are we inviting people who are not libertarians to come and dominate the convention that we are trying to build up a base of?

01:56:22.000 And it's like, the Mises Caucus people are like, no, it's good because Trump is going to shine a light on the Libertarian Party.

01:56:29.000 It's going to bring more people, it's going to raise more money, it's going to build awareness, and it's going to make a Republican president answer questions to the Libertarians, the same as the Democrats should, but they will not do.

01:56:37.000 Whoever said they shouldn't invite Trump to promote an event?

01:56:42.000 That's a good point.

01:56:43.000 I think Trump being there does confirm that libertarians have a serious influence in American politics.

01:56:47.000 Yes.

01:56:47.000 And I think that's really the first step for them if they are trying to grow the movement.

01:56:53.000 I could understand maybe wanting a libertarian to be front and center.

01:56:55.000 However, getting the attention of, you know, the notorious Trump is a big deal.

01:57:01.000 Just Me says West Virginia Tea Party took over the state government.

01:57:04.000 West Virginia had been Democrat for 60 years.

01:57:07.000 That's true.

01:57:08.000 Shout out to Riley Moore, who I guess he's default going to win in November because he won the primary.

01:57:14.000 So I think he was the first Republican treasurer in like 80 years, something like that.

01:57:18.000 Yeah.

01:57:18.000 Because it was Democrat before that.

01:57:19.000 Isn't that wild?

01:57:20.000 It's just so crazy.

01:57:23.000 Yeah, I think we have a one-party system.

01:57:25.000 I think there's also something to be said about taking over the party from the inside, if that's what you're going to try to do.

01:57:30.000 the two-party system makes electing non-red or blue candidates impossible.

01:57:33.000 Yeah, I think we have a one-party system. I think there's also something to be said about

01:57:39.000 taking over the party from the inside, if that's what you're going to try to do. Like,

01:57:44.000 certain factions eventually cause the internal civil wars of parties and take over and remake

01:57:49.000 them in their image, so... might be a difference, Jeff.

01:57:52.000 Brian Egan says America appears to be a cluster of city-states like ancient Greece, a bunch of self-congratulating

01:57:58.000 tribes that are all represented by their mascots.

01:58:00.000 Ffff...

01:58:02.000 The funny thing about Congress is that when you see someone standing up and yelling and being like, we cannot elect this law, they're not actually arguing to anybody in Congress.

01:58:10.000 Right, because they have all those conversations before they go up on C-SPAN.

01:58:15.000 It's not even that.

01:58:15.000 It's that they know that they're never convincing a Republican.

01:58:18.000 They're doing it for their constituents back home.

01:58:20.000 Yeah.

01:58:20.000 They want to make a video that they can go home and be like, look at me, look what I'm doing.

01:58:23.000 Well, I was a lobbyist in Tennessee at the state level.

01:58:26.000 And all the committee meetings, it was hilarious because there was a private committee meeting before the committee meeting in the committee room.

01:58:32.000 So just the people on the committee meeting talking about all the legislation, how they're going to vote, why, what they're going to say.

01:58:38.000 They literally plan it out like a pregame.

01:58:40.000 And then you go in, and they have the official legal meeting that's required, where they have the arguments and the debates, and they come up to the podium, and it's already, like, figured out, so the meetings always ended on time at the perfect moment.

01:58:51.000 And yeah, I saw that at the state level in Tennessee, and it's certainly true, Congress too.

01:58:55.000 ERB Media says, Hey Tim, can I get a shout-out for my band, Egomyth?

01:59:00.000 Shout-out, Egomyth. 1.00

01:59:01.000 Best of luck with your music.

01:59:04.000 Let's go.

01:59:05.000 Kwame Hayes says, America, eff yeah!

01:59:09.000 We agree.

01:59:10.000 We all here agree with this.

01:59:14.000 All right.

01:59:15.000 Lurch685 says, Allad always wants to fight Israel's wars.

01:59:18.000 Is that true, Allad?

01:59:20.000 I think the Israelis are doing fine, just fine fighting their own wars. 0.98

01:59:23.000 So do you think we should be funding Israel?

01:59:27.000 Yeah, just like we should be supporting all of our allies so they can fight for themselves.

01:59:30.000 I don't think American troops should fight for Ukraine, but we should arm the Ukrainians in their war against Russia.

01:59:36.000 I don't think we should be fighting wars for Israel, but I think we should assist Israel in fighting wars against common enemies.

01:59:43.000 And South Korea.

01:59:44.000 Doesn't that just start to feel like a proxy war guarantee?

01:59:47.000 Well, we also have the most troops in South Korea compared to all of these allies, but for some reason that one just goes under the radar.

01:59:53.000 For the millions of veterans who actually did fight in South Korea.

01:59:58.000 South Korea is different.

02:00:00.000 I think it's very important that Korea gets all of our support.

02:00:03.000 We have the THAAD missiles.

02:00:05.000 I think we have 30,000 troops in South Korea.

02:00:07.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

02:00:08.000 And that's all because of Tim, all his secret lobbying.

02:00:11.000 Dude, I don't care enough about K-pop. 0.86

02:00:14.000 You know, like... I like Gangnam Style.

02:00:15.000 It's a good song, but Nappo Baji is way better.

02:00:19.000 And anybody who says Gangnam Style is clearly not a fan of Psy.

02:00:22.000 No, I'm not a fan of Psy.

02:00:23.000 But I like that song.

02:00:24.000 You should hear Nappo Baji.

02:00:25.000 Almost 29,000 American troops as of May 4th, 2024.

02:00:29.000 I wonder how many we have in Japan, too.

02:00:31.000 Can we just annex South Korea? 0.96

02:00:32.000 How many of them died from avian flu?

02:00:37.000 We should just annex South Korea. 1.00

02:00:39.000 We should annex Mexico. 1.00

02:00:40.000 Make America Mexico again. 1.00

02:00:41.000 No, no, no.

02:00:42.000 We had Mexico and Polk gave it up.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:45.000 Screw that guy.

02:00:46.000 No wonder they elected Franklin Pierce right after.

02:00:49.000 Guam should be a state that we could just start going further out into the Pacific, just adding state by state.

02:00:54.000 I think we need to take over Canada.

02:00:55.000 Oh yeah.

02:00:56.000 I want Justin Trudeau to be like a congressman instead of a prime minister.

02:01:00.000 And think about the maple syrup reserves we capture.

02:01:03.000 Judge Napolitano would flip out.

02:01:04.000 He loves maple syrup.

02:01:05.000 We need to colonize the Philippines again. 0.99

02:01:07.000 Remember when those were the... I'll do it.

02:01:09.000 I love Filipino women. 1.00

02:01:12.000 I do think we've made the word colonization dirty.

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02:01:40.000 Chase, do you want to shout anything out?

02:01:42.000 I just want to remind everybody to get my book, The Rise of American Populism.

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