13 counties in Oregon have voted to secede and join Ohio. 40% of Americans, according to a new poll, think civil war is coming. And, more interestingly, Biden is not on the ballot in Ohio. What does that mean?
00:00:00.000So today, the Republican National Headquarters in DC, was locked down after what they say was a biological attack.
00:00:21.000Blood was sent to their headquarters, and of course, that's a serious issue.
00:00:26.000So they ended up having to lock things down.
00:00:29.000I don't know to what degree the blood may have been infected or contaminated or who knows, but things are certainly getting spicy in this country.
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00:03:46.000was targeted in a biological attack on Wednesday because of the blood.
00:03:49.000After a suspicious package was found in the building, they temporarily locked it down and a hazmat team was dispatched to the scene.
00:03:56.000He said, today vials of blood were sent to RNC headquarters in DC.
00:04:00.000We are thankful to law enforcement who responded quickly and ensured everyone's safety.
00:04:05.000Yo, that's what, how did they know it was blood?
00:04:07.000The lockdown has been cleared and staff has resumed their office duties because we remain unintimidated and undeterred in our efforts to elect President Trump to the White House.
00:04:15.000He added, this revolting attack comes on the heels of pro-Hamas protesters violently demonstrating on college campuses and deranged Biden supporters physically attacking our campaign volunteers for supporting President Trump.
00:04:28.000While Republicans fight to strengthen our economy, secure our southern border and halt the violent crime in our communities, the fringe left is wreaking havoc, sowing fear and lying to the public in a bad faith effort to divide Americans and sway an election.
00:04:42.000He says, no matter what violent tactics Biden's extreme left supporters try next, the RNC would stand firm in our mission to deliver greater freedom and opportunity for all Americans, and we won't back down.
00:04:51.000Certainly lathering it on a bit thick there over getting a couple vials of blood, which is nasty and alarming, sure, but like...
00:05:01.000You know, kind of making it seem like there was an assassination attempt on the president or something over this blood is, oh, that story.
00:05:07.000How mad do you think the DNC was when they found out their adrenochrome went to the wrong headquarters?
00:05:11.000I was going to say, some corner is really in trouble right now.
00:05:14.000Or do you think they're just trying to lure some vampires to the RNC?
00:05:17.000They're like, here guys, just go that way, hang out with the Republicans.
00:05:20.000I mean, it does seem a little hysterical.
00:05:22.000On the other hand, it could have been anything, and you don't really want random vials of blood showing up on your doorstep.
00:05:36.000I mean, my initial thought was, like, you know how during Blinken's testimony I say people were sitting there with, like, red paint on their hands for, like, the blood on your hands thing?
00:05:43.000I wondered if it was a reference to something like that.
00:05:45.000But, you know, I haven't Googled to see if the RNC headquarters next to, like, a Quest diagnostic.
00:05:50.000What if it really was just something delivered to the wrong place?
00:05:52.000If they run a DNA test on it and find out who it is.
00:05:55.000It'll be interesting to see if we find out who sent them these vials.
00:05:59.000We never found out who left the pipe bombs January 5th outside the DNC or RNC ever, so.
00:06:07.000Doesn't look like they care much about these two buildings.
00:06:09.000They don't care about either of these buildings, so... How much would you say that this is them just kind of hamming it up?
00:06:14.000Or, like, the RNC, it's like, oh, it was a biological attack.
00:06:17.000If it was going to be an attack, you'd think it would be like anthrax or something that was actually deadly.
00:06:21.000I mean, who knows if these blood vials are even anything lethal?
00:06:29.000And, you know, and, yeah, I don't know.
00:06:32.000People send all sorts of weird stuff to freak people out.
00:06:35.000Maybe, maybe, I guess the issue is we would need to know what accompanied the blood vials.
00:06:40.000Was there a letter saying, like, here is the blood that has stained your hands or something like this?
00:06:45.000Or maybe it said something gross like diseased blood.
00:06:47.000It's like two lab for testing for cholesterol like what if this really is just Like FedEx driver who's having the worst day?
00:06:56.000He's being interrogated the police and he's like, I'm just really bad at my job It was a it was a 23 and me and they put the wrong the wrong.
00:07:07.000You don't you don't take two full vials of your blood Some staffer accidentally got this mail to the wrong location or like oh, yeah, don't send it to my apartment send it to my job instead Well, I mean, with things like this, and with the rhetoric certainly escalating, what are we supposed to expect?
00:07:31.000You know, what do you think, Chase, coming up in November?
00:07:34.000Obviously, the narrative is no one's going to believe the results of the election.
00:07:39.000And so With things like this, are we really looking at serious escalation of conflict?
00:07:54.000What first comes to mind is the summer of love and what happened after George Floyd.
00:07:58.000I definitely foresee, at minimum, conflicts like that if Trump wins.
00:08:03.000I see people going to the streets, burning buildings down, Democratic district attorneys or attorney generals maybe not prosecuting these people.
00:08:10.000I definitely see violence and protests in the streets.
00:08:13.000On that standpoint, now, if Biden wins, or whoever the Democratic candidate is, I'm still not 100% convinced that it's even going to be Biden.
00:08:19.000Weird things like him not being on the ballot in certain states and this DNC thing coming up and it's going to be remote now imply to me that there's something weird going on with that.
00:08:27.000But if Biden wins, I don't know if there's going to be violence or not.
00:08:31.000I find it hard to believe that there won't be some major upheaval reminiscent of J6, though I do have a tendency to believe J6 was, in large, catalyzed by feds.
00:08:43.000I think that regardless of what happens in 2024, it's either going to be 28 or 32.
00:08:49.000Because, you know, we talked a little bit about this before the show, and it's something that we had talked about last night on the show.
00:08:55.000The silent and boomer generations are a stabilizing force right now in the country.
00:09:00.000And one of the main reasons people say things like, oh, Twitter is not real life.
00:09:04.000It's only because older people are less likely to be using it.
00:09:07.000So the opinions and the fights you get into are typically among younger people.
00:09:11.000Then you walk outside and the businesses run by boomers don't behave these ways.
00:09:15.000But imagine that purple-haired woke leftist on X who's arguing with you turns 45, gets promoted to that job level.
00:09:25.000I mean, we talked about this with Bud Light.
00:09:27.000When the Bud Light thing happened, I said, My prediction is it's going to be some millennial woman who got promoted to marketing and decided to go this route.
00:09:56.000I mean, traditionally we've thought, I mean, there's that old expression, if you're young and you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart.
00:10:01.000And if you're old and you're not conservative, you don't have a brain.
00:10:03.000And regardless of the veracity of that expression.
00:10:07.000Traditionally, people, as they get older and have families, they become more conservative and have more conservative values.
00:10:11.000Do you think it's not going to happen this time with the way the demographic is?
00:10:14.000I mean, do you think that the leftists who are 25 now, when they're 35 or 45, aren't going to become more conservative in the way that maybe demographics have in the past?
00:10:42.000Your parents will be strict and tell you, you are grounded.
00:10:46.000You can't go out after 10 because you were caught smoking pot with your friends because they care about you.
00:10:51.000So this idea that Democrats, like, you've got Democrats trying to be the cool parent, being like, we're gonna legalize drugs, you can do whatever you want, abortion up to the point of birth or whatever.
00:10:59.000They don't care about you when they do that.
00:11:01.000That's not what someone who actually cares about you does.
00:11:03.000So this idea that they say, if you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart.
00:11:08.000And if you're not conservative when you're old, you have no head.
00:11:41.000There are people who are probably default liberal, as Breitbart would refer to them, who will go, oh, hey, whoa, I was voting for dumb things.
00:11:49.000And then they will start voting conservative.
00:11:51.000But these people aren't leftists as it is.
00:11:59.000She's already the kind of person Where, when there's a failure of government that she implements, she then blames the Republicans and corporations, and then implements more failed policies, and that is the MO of the progressive leftist politician.
00:12:14.000So, for people like her, these kids at these universities that are protesting, these camps, they don't actually care about Israel.
00:12:43.000For normies who vote Democrat because they don't pay attention, sure, those people are going to vote conservative.
00:12:49.000But for the most part, what you will see then is There's going to be a lot of people shifting to the right, and we're seeing it right now already.
00:12:58.000Younger people are moving towards Trump, but there still is a hyperpolarization.
00:13:02.000I think you'll get a larger percentage of people moving towards the Trump side of things, the MAGA side of things, because it's closer to what Americans want and expect.
00:13:09.000But the far left are being radicalized on the internet, and they're building a cult base.
00:13:12.000So they will have a fringe but large block.
00:13:16.000When boomers age out, you know, retire, they are retiring, but then also just no longer vote because they've gone to the great beyond, as with the silent generation, the way I describe it is, Imagine you have a sheet of paper and the older generation is up top and the younger generation is at the bottom, but we've split the younger generation.
00:13:36.000We're peeling the paper from the bottom up.
00:13:39.000As everyone ages and moves off the paper, you're splitting it and eventually you end up with two separate sheets that don't go together anymore.
00:13:47.000So right now, the top of the page, it's two of five generations have political views that are similar.
00:13:53.000But the younger generations are further and further bifurcated.
00:13:59.000What happens when that split goes all the way to the top?
00:14:02.000Now you have the United States of America, and then you have Wokistan.
00:14:07.000Do you think the party identities were as big a deal for previous generations, let's say a hundred years ago?
00:14:14.000I feel like now, one of the reasons someone wouldn't change, as soon as they decide they're a progressive Democrat, they'll be one forever, is because they can't Separate it from their own sense of identity.
00:14:25.000Well, I think there have been studies that have been done.
00:14:27.000Traditionally in America, parents would rather have their children marry someone of the same religion in a different political party persuasion.
00:14:36.000And that's shifted, I believe, over the course of the last several years to parents would actually rather have their children marry someone who's a different religion as long as they're part of the same political persuasion.
00:15:18.000The Democrats are claiming, don't worry, we'll figure it out, he'll get on the ballot.
00:15:22.000But the legislature of Ohio could not come to a decision as to how to solve the problem.
00:15:27.000You have to certify the nominees 90 days before election day to get on the ballot, but because of when they're doing the convention, It's 75 days.
00:15:36.000They don't have enough time to actually get him on the ballot.
00:15:39.000Now, they said, OK, let's let's just deal with this at the legislative level to get the sitting president on the ballot.
00:16:51.000Well, it's weird, too, because Gavin Newsom has been in the news the last week or couple of weeks, I've noticed, talking about some autobiography that he's apparently been working on for four years.
00:17:00.000But he's just— If he comes out with a book, though, do you think they're going to try to slide him in, or is that just too much of a stretch?
00:17:05.000Maybe, but he's just like a leftist Romney, you know what I mean?
00:17:27.000And I suppose the issue is maybe they don't care if Biden's on the ballot because they're ballot harvesting and they'll just get five million write-ins or something.
00:18:15.000Also, it would screw Democrats down ballot, which even if Joe Biden, I don't think he's really in play for Ohio, but down ballot is where it would matter.
00:18:22.000And no, they're going to give him a workaround now.
00:18:26.000I agree, but understand that means Republicans then say Democrats broke the rules, changed the rules, and then put their guy on even though it broke the law.
00:18:36.000This could open the door if Biden wins Ohio for massive lawsuits to say that they cheated and they altered the forms outside of the laws of the state.
00:18:57.000No, I think it really is going to reflect badly on the DNC, right?
00:19:01.000The DNC sets the date of their convention, so they can say Ohio and their laws and whatever, but they pick the date that they did, which either means they don't care, they think they should have an exception to the rule, which shows incredible arrogance, or...
00:19:12.000this is a consistent issue they've had. They've decided that they are changing how they're
00:19:17.000operating and everyone must conform to the will. Remember, they changed their primary schedule
00:19:21.000instead of going with First Nation New Hampshire. They were like South Carolina.
00:19:25.000And then Bernie won in 2016 and they just said, no, Hillary won.
00:19:28.000Yeah. I mean, I think that there are probably a pocket. I don't know how many,
00:19:31.000but there are probably some, you know, think of like the blue dog Democrats. People are still
00:19:36.000part of the party, but aren't sort of necessarily progressive who are looking at the party change
00:19:40.000and alter their rules constantly who are like, what are you guys doing?
00:19:45.000There were Democrats in New Hampshire who were like, Hey, we gotta have a writing campaign to make sure, because Biden wasn't even on the New Hampshire primary ballot during the time, because they were like, we don't care about New Hampshire.
00:19:56.000South Carolina, which by the way, he won handily, even though he lost to New Hampshire.
00:19:59.000I mean, there's a reason they're doing what they're doing, but I think it separates the voters from the DNC as an organization.
00:20:06.000There's like some 26-year-old and a couple of 20-year-old interns that are told by the DNC, like, you guys are going to be in charge of making sure the paperwork's in line so we can file in these states.
00:20:17.000And they're just sitting in the room with their feet up, like, spinning in their office chairs, not paying attention, being like, I don't know, I don't really care about Biden, do you?
00:20:23.000I just think it's bizarre that you would want to have your convention 75 days before the general election.
00:21:44.000And that's really a challenging thing for me to wrap my head around.
00:21:47.000I think it's inevitable that the loser of the upcoming election will have like a certain percent of their base that no matter what happens will say the election was stolen if they lost.
00:21:55.000I think we would see another January 6th like event if Trump lost.
00:22:00.000I think there's going to be people who do the not my president stuff with Trump if he wins.
00:22:52.000Yeah, if you lose, they're gonna call it stolen.
00:22:55.000I just pulled this NPR headline that says, Clinton won't rule out, this is from September 2017, Clinton won't rule out questioning the 2016 election, but says no clear means to do so.
00:23:04.000So like, she was always saying, well, maybe there was something, maybe we should look into this, even though this is not something Republicans are allowed to do.
00:23:11.000I mean, that was a year afterwards, almost.
00:23:15.000I like to think back, I'm imagining 2016, and I wanted to say something like, I remember the good old days, 2016, and then I'm just thinking about, like, you know, Obama killing people, and I was like, yeah, it's been pretty bad since, like, 2000, it's been getting worse.
00:23:35.000I mean, if you look at the right-wing sponsors, I know the left-wing sponsored it too, but the Patriot Act, a lot of these The Warhawks, a lot of neocon stuff was problematic too.
00:23:43.000And that's like the whole thing that, the whole realization that I had was that it's not, I used to always think the Republicans were better than the Democrats because I was a capitalist who believed in American values.
00:23:54.000And the fact of the matter is they both increase spending, they both increase inflation, which disproportionately impacts the most vulnerable among us and makes the rich richer because the stock market explodes when inflation happens and they're the only ones with money in the market.
00:24:07.000And they both fuck the American people over and over again, and that's why I think the people are becoming populist, because they're realizing that it's not about Republicans versus Democrats, but it's about the people versus the law.
00:24:17.000Well, I think the people have always been populist.
00:24:19.000But I think the issue is they didn't have a vehicle for it.
00:24:47.000The first weekend I was there, there's this elderly couple in their 60s sitting on a couch with an American flag and they're like, we're here because the government is screwing over the working class.
00:24:59.000And then I'm like, why is it that Breitbart immediately starts insulting these people, Hannity immediately starts insulting these people, the libertarian-minded and conservative-minded individuals who are there immediately leave, and the leftists celebrate their victory, and then Occupy Wall Street turned into weird, woke garbage?
00:25:16.000So I remember when Occupy first happens, Hannity is just going nuts insulting everything Occupy's doing.
00:25:30.000Yeah, and I mentioned to Ben and I was like, dude, if when Occupy Wall Street started that first week, you showed up with the Breitbart populace, right?
00:25:40.000Bannon, I was like, you could have walked down there and said, tax the rich, and they all would have cheered, and it would have united Tea Party and Occupy.
00:25:50.000When it started, it was... Look, man, I gotta tell you, leftists are better than the right at organizing and revolution and all this stuff.
00:25:59.000Occupy Wall Street was vague and nebulous.
00:26:01.000There was something called Operation Empire State Rebellion that was being organized on 4chan, and that was related in general to government bailouts, government overreach, the corruption in government in general.
00:26:16.000Occupy Wall Street was announced by leftists, fair, but what happens is the people who want to show up to protest big banks don't care about Democrat or Republican.
00:26:26.000Right, right after this major crash which impacted everybody.
00:26:29.000Right, and so it was general, the government is screwing us over, the banks are screwing us over, the ballots are screwing us over, and it was a prime opportunity for people on the right to come in and join with moderate default left liberal individuals.
00:26:42.000A month before Occupy, leftists held an organizing meeting to make sure it operated under their control.
00:26:50.000That first week, when people showed up, It was random people. There was one guy who was like the
00:26:56.000most democrat looking guy you can imagine arguing with anarchists. Like I mentioned, there was the
00:26:59.000elderly with the American flag saying we're just here for America, that kind of sentiment.
00:27:05.000But then you end up with people like Breitbart and that crew immediately just disregarding
00:27:14.000It's crazy because the left planned, as you're suggesting in that pre-meeting, to control the movement, but it was actually the right-wing outlets that alienated the right base.
00:27:27.000One of the reasons why the left organized this was to make sure that the likes of Breitbart and the populist right wouldn't go anywhere near it.
00:27:36.000When we went to a Tea Party event, me and a bunch of the other people who were on the ground covering the stuff got word that Occupy people wanted to go check out a Tea Party thing and see what they were doing.
00:27:50.000And there were two or three instances where there were Tea Party rallies and Occupy people showed up to watch and listen to what people were saying.
00:27:56.000So they knew exactly what was going on.
00:27:58.000They knew exactly what the Tea Party was upset about.
00:28:00.000And the people who organized to take over Occupy were elitist, NGO, funded by Open Society Foundation, things like that.
00:28:12.000I remember that video where Breitbart's screaming at the protesters at CPAC, you're all animals, you're all animals.
00:28:16.000And I'm like, but those were the leftists who took over Occupy.
00:28:19.000And I'm just like, I wish Bannon showed up on day one of Occupy and just said, look, I'm not here to argue about left, right, up, down, or otherwise.
00:28:27.000I'm here to say the rich are screwing over the American people.
00:28:30.000And then you would have had the Tea Party and Occupy as one populist front.
00:28:37.000There was going to be this major schism in the Republican Party and then all of a sudden nobody said Tea Party again for like 10 years until they started referring to it historically.
00:28:45.000Yeah, I think they had their moment for a little bit, but then they kind of got appropriated and just kind of eaten by the party.
00:28:51.000Yeah, I was going to say, I felt like they got blended back in because there wasn't clear direction and leadership to completely split off.
00:28:57.000You know what's crazy, Tim, about what you were saying about demographic shifts with the boomers dying is that it's not only going to impact the entire political landscape, but I think it's going to disproportionately impact the Republican Party.
00:29:07.000Because a lot of the Boomer base and the Silent Generation base are conservative-leaning, so when they're gone, all that's going to be left are the MAGA Republicans or the Populist Republicans.
00:29:16.000I mean, do you foresee almost like a rejuvenation or a radicalization of the Republican Party as a result of this?
00:29:22.000I think we're seeing a rejuvenation and an explosion of the Libertarian Party.
00:29:56.000Everyone's going to be there except Democrats, right?
00:29:59.000So it's almost like if the older Republicans end up leaving, there's going to be an interesting overlap, a much bigger overlap between the Libertarian Party with like the Mises Caucus and the Republican Party.
00:30:12.000Right now I think With the Libertarian Party of the Mises Caucus, these guys, they're not fans of the Republicans because the Republicans are, you got a whole bunch of Uniparty establishment garbage.
00:30:21.000But to your point, when the older generations are gone, and the younger guys are more MAGA, then it's gonna be like a lot more Libertarian people are gonna have...
00:30:30.000Overlap with the Republicans, it might actually, it might be significant.
00:30:34.000Do you think that at that point the Republican Party, still being a stronger, more organized force than the Libertarian Party, will absorb the Libertarian Party?
00:30:41.000No, no, no, but they'll absorb probably a lot of people from the Libertarian Party.
00:30:46.000Because he sees that I mean, he said something about it already, where it's like, I can't remember what he said, but he said something about it when they announced he was speaking there.
00:31:07.000If that's good enough, some of you might vote for me, some of you might not, but let's not let the Democrats win.
00:31:11.000I think the Libertarian Party was a nice experiment, but now it is essentially, electorally, just an asset for the Democrats.
00:31:18.000They just take a couple of points away from Republicans in states that they can win.
00:31:22.000I think it's actually been an issue in a few states, including West Virginia, where we're at now.
00:31:27.000Unfortunately, I think the direction of the Libertarian Party also kind of sucks.
00:31:32.000I think we all had a little libertarian phase that we grew out of.
00:31:34.000I think the Libertarian Party used to be angled more about loving guns, being against legalizing weed, but now it's turning into something that's anti-NATO.
00:31:46.000Right, but this argument that the Republicans would win if not for the Libertarian Party is just not true.
00:32:21.000Dude, you've got people... Austin Peterson is giving an interview and he says something about, like, we don't want people selling heroin to children and they go, boo!
00:32:33.000But in the same vein, the Democratic Socialists of America are barely Democrats, but they're still Democrats, although they are Socialists, and, you know, there's no consensus in the Democrat Party on a lot of the issues that they talk about.
00:32:44.000So just like they're a part of the Democrat Party, there needs to be the... I think libertarians are more mixed than that.
00:32:49.000The Democratic Socialists are the Democrats' version of MAGA.
00:32:56.000The Republican Party has the MAGA elements.
00:32:57.000Yes, because the Bernie voters, when they were pissed about Bernie getting the elections stolen from him in the primary in 2016, a lot of them went Trump.
00:33:05.000Right, so 9 million Democrats voted for Trump.
00:33:08.000Democratic Socialists voted for Donald Trump.
00:33:10.000MAGA, right populist, is the insurgent force in the Republican Party, and the Democratic Socialists are the insurgent force in the Democrat Party.
00:33:19.000Libertarians don't like either of them, and it is a mistake people make when they think if the Libertarian Party didn't exist, Republicans would win.
00:33:26.000Dude, there's a reason why Dave Smith is on Fox News ragging on Trump.
00:34:14.000It's like saying, why aren't Democrats voting for Joe Biden?
00:34:16.000It's very counterintuitive, but I think he's right.
00:34:18.000The reason why Trump wants to speak to the LP National is because he thinks there's now, I'm assuming with the Mises caucus, there is enough, a small number that would be willing to vote for Trump.
00:35:43.000And while many of them will have a sound, reasonable debate about Donald Trump and the things that they do agree with, that's like saying Republicans agree with Joe Biden on getting rid of ATM fees that screw over the working class.
00:35:56.000Well, you gotta get rid of those ATM fees when it comes out that your son took out $1.6 million in cash from ATMs.
00:36:13.000And the idea that because Donald Trump is likely better on guns, libertarians who are concerned that Donald Trump increased drone strikes removed the transparency from drone strikes, authorized
00:36:25.000commando raids in places like Yemen, backed the Saudis in their strikes in Yemen, which was 100,000
00:36:31.000dead children in Yemen, the fact that Donald Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into
00:36:37.000Now, that being said, I do think from a realist perspective, if you look at Trump's foreign policy
00:36:45.000holistically, it's the best foreign policy of my life.
00:36:48.000So yes, everything I said was true about Trump.
00:36:50.000What he did was we had the Abraham Accords.
00:36:52.000We had Donald Trump crossing into North Korea through the DMZ with no security detail in a sign of peace and goodwill with an enemy nation.
00:37:40.000People keep saying over and over again, if it weren't for the Libertarian Party, Republicans would win, and I'm like, it sounds like you've not met Libertarians.
00:37:47.000The guy, at a Libertarian convention, a guy ripped his clothes off and got naked on stage.
00:38:04.000These people aren't going to vote for the Republicans.
00:38:05.000They all collectively just don't like Republicans or Democrats.
00:38:09.000And they have their own worldviews that are competing with each other.
00:38:12.000When you look at Jonathan Haidt's research on the moral foundations...
00:38:15.000You find that Democrats, this is what they claim, Democrats have care and fairness, Republicans are balanced across the board, and Libertarians have one moral foundation.
00:39:33.000I think at the end of the day, because you are electorally irrelevant, you could have these purist positions on a lot of these issues and say, you know, no, I guess Joe Biden isn't irrelevant.
00:39:44.000Well, I think it's why they're kind of irrelevant.
00:40:16.000Joe Jorgensen was the candidate, he was pretty woke.
00:40:18.000So the issue is, yes, the Mises Caucus took over right now, but if the Libertarian Party disbanded, what you're basically saying is the Mises Caucus should endorse Donald Trump.
00:40:26.000And then you're going to have a whole bunch of Mises Caucus people being like, but we don't support his foreign policy.
00:40:30.000I don't think it would go down 50-50 if the Libertarian Party were to disband.
00:40:35.000But let me ask you, what do you think Donald Trump should say when he addresses the Libertarian Convention to try to win them over?
00:40:42.000I will at the very least secure the border, make sure your gun rights are intact, and this country exists.
00:40:49.000A lot of Libertarians don't even believe in borders.
00:40:50.000He will get booed by the majority of people there.
00:40:55.000But Trump is simply trying to say, seeing the Mises caucus take over means that there are enough people who might just say right now, I'm just going to vote for Trump.
00:41:06.000Because he's right about the border, he's right about guns, he's right about abortion.
00:41:10.000The Mises Caucus is different from the entirety of the Libertarian Party, and the important issue is the Mises Caucus victory is one iteration right now of the Libertarian Party, and I think it's likely because a lot of people don't like the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, and so they found a sort of Moderate space in the Libertarian Party with the Mises Caucus, where they're not Republicans, they're not hardcore conservative traditionalists, but they don't like war, they want to have their guns, they want their Bitcoin and their marijuana.
00:41:40.000Donald Trump is going to try to win some of them over, and it's a smart move and he should do it.
00:41:44.000But keep in mind, the last election cycle, you had woke Libertarians.
00:41:50.000The Libertarian Party was overwhelmingly woke, anti-racist, and everyone was like, whoa, this is crazy.
00:41:55.000And there's a lot of infighting in the Libertarian Party constantly.
00:42:27.000But the Mises Caucus is also not traditionalist, and they're not going to be arguing for traditional families the same way conservatives are.
00:42:34.000And so they're going to be at odds on social issues to a certain degree.
00:42:37.000But the Mises Caucus people typically are pro-life, pro-border, and pro-gun rights.
00:42:42.000So that's Trump's opportunity right now.
00:42:45.000He's not hoping to win over the Libertarian Party.
00:42:48.000I think Trump knows he's going to be booed.
00:42:50.000He's going to get booed by that crowd.
00:42:52.000But he's like, if I can get 5%, if I can get 5% of the Libertarian Party, Just that little bit that might agree with me.
00:43:01.000And I bet he might say something like, you don't like me, you don't like my policies, I got a lot of bad ones, but Joe Biden will rip your country to shreds, and at least with me, you get to keep your country, and then fight another day.
00:43:13.000You know, the fact that the Libertarian Party can get Trump and others to come and speak, actually, in my opinion, shows the dormant power of the party.
00:43:21.000And the reason is, if you look at it from a logical standpoint, if the Libertarian Party got their shit together, They could choose to focus all of their efforts campaigning in just Texas, for example.
00:43:33.000And if they pulled enough support away from the Republican Party for the Libertarian Party that it could threaten the Electoral College just in Texas, if they focused all their monetary resources, all their time, all their advertising, they could literally Let's jump to this next story.
00:43:47.000You're gonna love this one because we got a new poll.
00:44:30.000It's women who think there will be a civil war.
00:44:33.000Now the reason that's significant The French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, they say, were instigated because women got up and rose up.
00:44:40.000When women get unhappy and get involved in politics, things start to destabilize.
00:44:45.000So, if women think the Civil War is coming, I don't know, I feel kind of worried about that.
00:45:00.000So a lot of people say it's going to happen next year, no matter what happens in this election.
00:45:04.000I think it's inevitable that we'll have another civil war in this country, but what I can't decide is whether or not it's going to be within the next ten years or within the next hundred years.
00:45:19.000Again, as I described it is, it's a piece of paper being torn from the youngest generation up to the top, but it's really not so much that we're tearing it, it's that, just imagine you've got this thread, and the older generation's at top, and the bottom is splitting as it moves down.
00:45:34.000Actually, one way to put it is, our society is a giant block of cheese, and there is a wedge to slice that cheese, and the cheese block is being pushed down.
00:45:44.000The division is an increasing proportion of the political landscape.
00:45:48.000As the older generation dies and the younger generation gets grabbed by the left or the right, new people entering the voting bloc are going to be hyperpolarized to further and further degrees.
00:46:01.000And the older generation that overlap on the Democrat-Republican side are dying and no longer part of the equation.
00:46:12.000Like I said before we started streaming today, the voter turnout in 1860 was giant, and we saw record voter turnout in 2020.
00:46:20.000The higher the voter turnout, the more politically divided people are, in my opinion.
00:46:25.000We always hear advocating, everybody needs to vote, participate in the process.
00:46:28.000If you have a high voter turnout, that's a very good indicator that you're close to a civil war.
00:46:31.000I also think this – I mean this poll says that the youngest generation, it's like Gen Z and millennials, 58% are – think there's a likelihood that there could be a civil war in this country.
00:46:41.000I think that is an indication that it could potentially come because the older generations that at one time thought, well, we're actually unified by our culture or unified by religion or whatever else.
00:46:51.000They will ultimately leave positions of power in this younger generation that has always seen politics as the dividing line, and increasingly more so with younger generations.
00:47:01.000They will then step into the business and will say, well, we knew this was inevitable.
00:47:04.000Where an older generation would say, no, no, we're supposed to be together.
00:47:25.000Because all of these people, Democrat, Republican, who are in their late 60s and 70s, go hang out and play bridge or whatever, and they're like, but we agree on most things.
00:48:27.000And then ultimately they all got absorbed into ISIS.
00:48:30.000So you think that's what's going to happen and this next civil war won't be two sides like what we think of the traditional American Civil War?
00:48:34.000The American Civil War is atypical in terms of most countries' histories.
00:48:39.000So the Spanish Civil War is a better example.
00:48:48.000I think, unlike in many other countries on planet Earth, in America we have a lot to fight for and a lot of great opportunity.
00:48:54.000A lot of our institutions are incredibly established.
00:48:57.000There's a defund the police movement in our country that didn't go anywhere policy-wise.
00:49:02.000People in our country still support our military.
00:49:04.000People still have faith in the Supreme Court and the law.
00:49:07.000People still believe that courts exist and are functioning properly.
00:49:12.000So this is a place where A country where we're also given many freedoms and many opportunities for things to go astray if people actually wanted them to.
00:49:19.000We have the first and second amendment.
00:49:21.000People could say almost anything and have firearms to back it up, but we haven't seen huge uprisings of armed people.
00:49:27.000Although I hear about these militias throughout the country, I haven't seen these large uprisings of gangs of people.
00:49:33.000See, I think we lack a culture that reminds people that we are actually a united front.
00:49:37.000I mean, my theory would be that the silent generation lived through things like School integration and all kinds of social change that actually made them question, like, what do we want as a culture?
00:50:11.000I'm serious, but I think you're absolutely right in your analysis.
00:50:15.000I'm 33 years old, and I've gotten to the point where my sentiments toward people who disagree with me politically have gotten much more combative.
00:50:21.000Well, and this is reinforced by the fact that certain schools in certain districts that vote a certain way have rules that like, well, a kid can transition here and we'll call them by whatever pronouns, but we won't tell the parents because we view those parents as potential threats to these children who are a different voter block.
00:50:40.000These issues are important, but I think even, you know, despite Joe Biden's economic downturn and these issues, like trans issues that I think are very significant, people start civil wars when they don't have things worth fighting for and protecting, when things are going bad and it's trade for them and they don't have anything going on for them.
00:50:58.000In our country, we do have it relatively well, compared to other countries.
00:51:03.000No, no, no, like what civil wars were started because people had bad, it was bad for people.
00:51:07.000As I understand, civil wars are generally started by... The civil wars that I think we're seeing right now that are possibly happening, like in the Arab Spring and things like that, people not being fed enough, people not being paid enough, people are discontent.
00:51:21.000So with the Arab Spring, the governments toppled instantly, and then they replaced them.
00:51:26.000Whereas civil wars are factional violence based on ideology, like the Spanish Civil War was the communists and the anti-communists.
00:51:32.000And then, you know, of course, there's a lot of leftists that argue that it was like fascistic militarism on the right or whatever, but it was basically communists were going around and doing horrible things, and where ideology was spreading.
00:51:45.000I think what caused a lot of the, um, I mean, certainly you can make an argument about the Bolsheviks in Russia and the struggles that Russia's, you know, going through in terms of food and the French Revolution, but, uh, I think we saw with Europe in the early 1900s, things were too good, uh, in some places.
00:52:00.000So with the United States, you have idle hands being the devil's playground.
00:52:04.000You have young people who don't have to do any work and they have no purpose and they're bored.
00:52:09.000I mean, look, You think people go to Civil War because they're bored?
00:52:54.000And what we're seeing now is an expansion of it, where many people are of the mindset that the government should pay their bills, should print more money, deficit spending and things like this, which result in hyperinflation.
00:53:06.000Then when inflation happens, what does Joe Biden do?
00:53:08.000It's the corporations that are ripping you off!
00:53:11.000They blame it on capitalism, but it's actually kind of fascism.
00:53:13.000Then they reenact more government policies which destroy the system further until it collapses.
00:53:18.000And that's intentional for the communists.
00:53:20.000The reason this is happening is because idle hands is the devil's playground.
00:53:23.000If these people had to wake up in the morning and feed the animals and then work all day and had very little time to do anything, there'd be no communist revolution.
00:53:32.000They would just be working, living, and they would be content with life.
00:53:35.000But they want what you have because you're working and they're not.
00:53:42.000They look at people who, I mean, look at the tenants of communism, what they think.
00:53:47.000I love this, you know, hearing these people argue about socialism and they're like, socialism is when labor, the workers, own the company and not their bosses.
00:53:58.000They said, when your labor is controlled by the people and you and not your boss.
00:54:01.000And I'm like, in capitalism, the labor is controlled by you.
00:54:05.000In communism, your labor is controlled by the state.
00:54:07.000But they lie to implement these things.
00:54:10.000In a free market capitalist society, you are free to sell your labor for whatever you can get for it.
00:54:15.000The problem is, in today's society, you've got kids who have no sellable skills because of the way society told them to live their life, which is a problem.
00:54:24.000This, I think, leads to anger, animosity, fear, confusion, and false prophets.
00:54:30.000Political individuals who come up and say, I have the solution to what ails you.
00:54:38.000Well, and that's what I'm very concerned after...
00:54:41.000If you read, like, The Fourth Turning, and if you think that maybe we're on the verge of an economic collapse, 2028, I'm very much concerned about the fork in the road that we will be at, where, as a country, we're going to choose—I think much like the Weimar Republic had to choose, Germans had to choose at the end of the Weimar Republic—between communism and fascism as the solution.
00:55:00.000That's why I advocate for populism when I wrote this book, is because I'm hoping there's a third option that's healthy and doesn't result in the death of millions of people.
00:55:07.000But I think we're quickly coming up on a place where it is going to reach the level of desperation and simultaneously the level of boredom necessary to catalyze a collapse that brings us to choose between full-on communism versus fascism.
00:55:18.000No one thought Civil War was possible in 1860.
00:55:22.000When the first Battle of Bull Run happened, people were picnicking on the hill because no one thought Civil War was possible.
00:55:28.000The funny thing is, we believe that the Civil War started with the Battle of Fort Sumter when the Union troops were refusing to vacate South Carolina.
00:55:39.000When that happened, the North and the South did not think there was a civil war.
00:55:45.000And the people who lived, and this is just south of D.C., Manassas, when they heard that the Confederacy was marching and there was going to be a battle, they were like, no, there won't.
00:56:10.000I don't understand why, despite all of the history we have globally about revolutions and civil war, people maintain the same naivety of, if I don't see someone come out and yell, I hereby declare civil war!
00:56:25.000It can't happen, it's not happening, and it won't happen.
00:56:27.000Meanwhile, you've had since 2017, so I did this thing with ChatGPT earlier, talking about civil war, where it desperately, ChatGPT loves to lie to you.
00:56:39.000Desperately says, there's no civil war, nothing's going to happen.
00:56:42.000And so I asked it, are we in civil strife?
00:57:41.000So the way it used to work back then was parties would issue their own ballots being like, if you believe in our party, here's our list of candidates that we want you to vote for.
00:57:50.000The Republicans in the Southern states did nothing because they were like, what's the point?
00:57:55.000And it is true, in the states that went on to secede, not a single vote was cast for Abraham Lincoln.
00:58:00.000So where we're at right now, Civil strife, fact.
00:58:04.000In 2017, numerous national security experts were interviewed by The Atlantic, and their estimates ranged between 30 and 95 percent likelihood of civil war.
00:58:16.000JetGPT keeps saying it won't happen, it can't happen.
00:58:18.000And then if you ask it to actually cite sources, it will eventually break down and tell you, yes, we are on the cusp of civil war in this country.
00:59:06.000Anyway, my point is, it's not that Chechipti is the arbiter of morality or whatever, but general academic consensus right now is we are in civil strife.
00:59:14.000Well, and I think it's like bankruptcy.
00:59:16.000They say about bankruptcy that it comes on slowly, and then all at once.
00:59:20.000And we're like the frog in the water analogy, and we're in that stage right now where it seems like it's coming on slowly, that we don't realize it's happening, and then it's, like you said, it's gonna happen.
00:59:31.000But I think the issue is that... Who'd you fight for?
00:59:34.000Well, I think the issue is that when you're hanging on to the edge of a ledge, about to fall off, You're in one place.
00:59:43.000Your speed is zero miles an hour, and your fingers are slipping on the edge until it's just your fingertips, and you're still moving at zero miles an hour.
00:59:53.000But anybody who's watching you hang from that cliff by one hand says, any second now, he's going to be going 60 miles an hour, 70 miles an hour, and then he's going to be on his path to falling down this cliffside.
01:00:07.000But for the whole time the escalation is happening, you are at zero miles an hour.
01:00:11.000Right, there's no change, no apparent change.
01:00:15.000I don't know what happens in November.
01:00:16.000But what I can say is when you look at the generational polling, it's fairly obvious that Gen Z, nearly 60% of Gen Z Millennials think a civil war is likely.
01:00:26.000Gen Alpha, and as the chat pointed out, it's Generation Beta is after Gen Alpha.
01:00:31.000They'll be raised by Gen Z. Is that so?
01:00:50.000If Gen Alpha's view of Civil War is 65 to 70 percent, I mean, we could actually just take these numbers, average out the difference, and then find what the likelihood increase in perception of Civil War would be.
01:01:01.000What do you think happens when Millennials are the oldest living generation with a 60% belief in civil wars coming and all... basically the reason they believe it is because Millennials and Gen Z are looking across the chasm at the other side going, holy crap, these people are crazy.
01:03:23.000And the states don't have enough independent rights to really have even much of a difference as the federal government gets so much more powerful.
01:03:31.000So ideas are forced at a federal level.
01:03:33.000Oklahoma and Colorado are the best example.
01:03:36.000Colorado abortion is legal up to birth.
01:03:40.000Hyper, like, ridiculous bifurcation right there.
01:03:44.000Now, I used to think that abortion could be a catalyst for a civil war, but I don't think so anymore because babies can't fight for themselves the way slaves did.
01:03:52.000I think, despite how many of my compatriots feel about civil war, I feel like if it could have happened, there are a lot of catalysts of events that could have made it happen that didn't spark a civil war.
01:04:02.000We had January 6th, we had the election of Donald Trump, where liberals could have said, oh, this is a coup, he's illegitimately elected by Russians.
01:04:10.000We had the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which many people could argue whatever they want about.
01:04:15.000So there's a lot of different jump-off points where I think things could have happened where they didn't, which gives me a lot of more faith in the stability of our country.
01:04:23.000We've already had Joe Biden and Donald Trump being arrested without—or having elected without, you know, the country falling into civil war.
01:04:30.000Did you see Joe Biden called Trump an erectionist?
01:04:38.000So you think we're past the point of concern for civil war, even though the youngest generations who will eventually move into position of power are more likely to say there will be a civil war?
01:04:47.000I think the youngsters like to fetishize civil war, and everybody thinks if a civil war happened, their ideology is what's going to happen after the fact.
01:04:54.000But we saw so many of the jump off points.
01:04:56.000If it was the election of Donald Trump that would have caused a civil war, it would have already happened.
01:05:06.000Because I think you already know what you're getting with Trump, so to try to call Trump a fascist doesn't hit as hard this time as it did last time, because you already know what you're getting.
01:05:15.000And there's also this fascism fatigue, where after I call you a fascist for, what, 10 years straight?
01:05:39.000And so, my view is, what you're saying is we've gotten to the point where The left still says you're a fascist, but you just don't care anymore.
01:05:56.000We have solidified the hyper-partisan polarization.
01:05:59.000Here's the thing about this I think that we're missing, because I think everybody's made really good points.
01:06:03.000The fact that we are having a serious and reasonable debate as to whether or not civil war is going to happen should be a major sign that there's an increased risk relative to normal times.
01:06:14.000Look, outside of any of this conversation, Whether you trust academics or not, you've got academics on the left, the right, the center, national security, and foreign saying that the United States is in the civil strife period.
01:06:30.000Bleeding Kansas is when John Brown and his kids went and started murdering people, blasting them in the face with guns.
01:06:37.000This is the precursor to the Civil War.
01:06:39.000Have we been in civil strife before, other than the Civil War, where we've healed from it?
01:06:44.000Like, academic states of civil strife?
01:06:46.000You're saying, yes, Serge, we've been in civil strife and we've recovered from it?
01:06:49.000Like, maybe 1963, before the Civil Rights Act?
01:06:52.000I'm just trying to think if there's examples... I don't think... I don't know that that was civil strife.
01:06:59.000Right, so... But that's, that, like... The issue with civil strife right now is...
01:07:09.000Donald Trump wins, they say he's a Russian spy.
01:07:12.000Joe Biden wins, they say he stole the 2020 election.
01:07:14.000And now we're facing another election with hyper-polarization, hyper-partisanship, violence, and no one willing to accept the other side as playing fairly.
01:08:27.000The Civil Rights Movement, it does consider civil strife.
01:08:29.000The Revolutionary War, Shays' Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the Civil Rights Movement were considered civil strife, according to Khan Academy, ThoughtCo, and the Senate.
01:08:38.000Hey, I'm glad I got that one, plus one.
01:08:40.000Yeah, no, I hear those were very turbulent times.
01:08:42.000Well, but I do feel like some of the things that you've referenced is as, you know, well, we could have had civil war, but we didn't, you know, feel like precursors to civil war to me.
01:08:50.000Not that we are definitely going to have one, but like with with Roe v. Wade, there was a lot of protest.
01:08:55.000I mean, think of all of the doxings of the Supreme Court justices, the protests that were there, all the threats made to churches or abortion centers or our pregnancy centers.
01:09:04.000You know, it's not that like nothing happened.
01:09:07.000Like, It boiled to a point and it wasn't enough to tip to a civil war, but I don't think that underlying tension ever went away.
01:09:14.000There wasn't anything to distract from it.
01:09:15.000There wasn't a period of like, oh, actually, you know, even with our attentions turning to more international conflicts with Ukraine, with Israel, Palestine.
01:09:25.000Yes, there were some people who then sort of made that their focus in terms of political argument, but it never alleviated the cultural tension that we have in America because we are so far from the period of time in which we had a collective national identity.
01:09:42.000The thing worth mentioning here, again, is that in America, again, Americans have so many different freedoms.
01:09:46.000The First Amendment, the Second Amendment.
01:09:48.000I think it says a lot to how good-willed American people are to not abuse those rights, right?
01:09:55.000Because if you're a person who is a radical on abortion, you had the opportunity when Roe v. Wade was overturned to do something very stupid and illegal and be a vigilante.
01:10:05.000Not with like gangs of armed people going around.
01:10:08.000You don't think all of the threats to the Supreme Court justices don't count as vigilantism?
01:10:12.000I don't think it was like a John Brown type thing which could have hypothetically happened given people's rights.
01:10:20.000I think there was the Jane's Revenge, like that small anarchist group that was firebombing a couple of... Firebombing conservative pregnancy centers.
01:10:34.000I'm just saying nothing ever went away.
01:10:35.000And on the other side of the perch, like people too, they are not extremely radical a la the John Brown style.
01:10:39.000The problem with the abortion issue is that you can still get an abortion in the United States.
01:10:42.000Now if the federal government just made it illegal to get any abortion ever after conception, I would think, okay, maybe that's going to be a Civil War-like level issue.
01:10:49.000The fact you can still get one just by flying or driving to another state, it's just not I don't think abortion is the issue because babies can't defend themselves the way slaves could.
01:10:58.000So with the Civil War, slavery being the catalyst was because slaves had escaped and then went to the North and said, hey, I want help.
01:11:07.000You know, there were abolitionists in the North.
01:12:07.000Half of the country believes that, and the other half is like, no, we hate it here, and it's the worst, and we're systemically oppressed, and everything's bad.
01:12:14.000These are people operating in very different worlds who occupy the same geographic space.
01:13:24.000The question is, is it a good thing or a bad thing?
01:13:27.000I think it is better that people are represented by the government that they believe is of, for, and by them.
01:13:35.000And if they feel like they're being oppressed by Oregon's woke, psychotic policies and tax law and stuff like this, they have every right to change the nature of government.
01:13:43.000That's basically the founding of this country.
01:13:45.000But I wonder if hyperpolarizing in this way would actually just exacerbate tension between states.
01:13:51.000I think you'd hit the nail on the head with that last part.
01:13:54.000I don't think we should be trying to split people up based on politics.
01:13:57.000I think this is only going to lead to more hyperpolarization, and I think that's what we're going to see here.
01:14:01.000I think the political consequences on the state level is going to be dramatic as well.
01:14:05.000I think both are going to have supermajorities of the... I think Oregon's going to be a Democrat supermajority, and then Idaho's going to probably have a Republican state majority.
01:14:16.000I don't think we should be redrawing the lines based on our political parties.
01:14:21.000I think it's hard when you have, like, I think of Western Maryland versus, like, three counties in Western Maryland wanted to join West Virginia, right?
01:14:29.000Western Maryland represents or is much more similar to rural West Virginia, probably just because it's not as development, than Baltimore and the suburbs of Baltimore.
01:14:39.000So I could understand where you're like, hey, we have developed economically and geographically so that we don't actually have anything in common.
01:14:46.000We are under the same flag as a state, but you operate in a way that serves this part of the state and we don't feel any of the benefits.
01:14:53.000I could understand where then you would say like, We experience the same challenges as this county and the other state that's right next to us.
01:15:02.000You will see interstate tension if states were divided like this.
01:15:06.000The prime example for this one is Idaho and Washington.
01:15:10.000The governors of Idaho and Washington have handled all kinds of issues incredibly differently.
01:15:15.000I mean, In terms of, like, sanctuary states for transgender-identifying children, or laws governing if you can take a minor out of state to get an abortion, you know, they are kind of constantly messaging back and forth saying, like, hey, people who feel oppressed by that side, come here, or people who feel like this side has drifted too far to a progressive extreme, come here.
01:15:34.000And so maybe you would see a natural migration, but ultimately you have very, very different narratives sitting right on the same side of the wall.
01:15:42.000We shouldn't be annexing left and right with these states.
01:17:35.000It wouldn't change the number of members of Congress.
01:17:37.000It wouldn't change the number of senators.
01:17:40.000It'll change the state representation of like they, I guess the the parts that are being annexed by Idaho will now be represented by Republicans instead of Democrats on the state level.
01:17:49.000Let me ask you guys, the conservative area, how many how many members of Congress, let's let's let's pull up the congressional map for Oregon.
01:17:55.000And I'm saying I think it would be even more significant on like the the state government level.
01:18:01.000Like the state legislature is where I think it would be most significant for them.
01:18:06.000So, uh... Yeah, all the... Yeah, it's Republican.
01:18:21.000And then the amount of senators don't change.
01:18:24.000I'm saying the majorities in the state senate.
01:18:27.000So like, right now, for their state legislature, the East Coast is irrelevant, but now it will be Republican with the Republican supermajority.
01:18:38.000And that could lead to extreme hyperpolarization, because Oregon may be constrained a little bit by the somewhat Republican influence of the eastern counties.
01:18:50.000The West, without any constraints at all, would just drive off the liberal cliff.
01:20:09.000It probably would be good governance, in my opinion.
01:20:11.000Because we're seeing more and more of it, especially in the Pacific Northwest with the state of Jefferson, which could be Northern California as its own It deeply troubles me the reasons that shit like this doesn't happen.
01:20:22.000Because congressional members are worried about shifting demographics and districts, and because it's about gerrymandering and whether or not it's going to increase or decrease congressional seats.
01:20:30.000That bothers me, but it's not going to happen.
01:20:35.000When I see this type of thing in the paper, it's like the Joe Rogan bit.
01:20:42.000I mean, I think ultimately the fact that there are coalitions of people who are saying we are deeply unhappy speaks to what we were talking about before.
01:20:48.000Yeah, and if Texas voted to secede and it became like a war, I would sign up!
01:20:51.000I mean, I would do it, but I'm not like... But I think there's a big difference between counties being like, we want to be represented by another state, this won't affect the federal makeup in any way.
01:21:01.000Right, and so the reason I bring this up specifically is that you've got California and Texas who have their secessionist movements that want to leave the entirety of the country.
01:21:09.000But then you have the lesser of, how about instead of breaking the country apart we just find better representation at the state and local level?
01:21:40.000I don't know how much money Maryland actually generates from the western counties.
01:21:44.000They may actually spend more than they make.
01:21:45.000They probably generate more than they spend, because I bet you most of the resources go to the urban areas.
01:21:50.000So when you lose revenue, even though it's an inexpensive part of the state, it negatively probably impacts the more urban areas disproportionately.
01:21:59.000Maybe, but I don't know that in the rural areas enough is going on to generate any kind of revenue.
01:22:03.000The majority of the revenue is typically generated in the urban areas.
01:22:06.000That being said, I don't know what Baltimore's generating.
01:22:12.000You've got the Horseshoe Casino up in Baltimore, and when you go there, every 10 feet there's a sign saying something like, you are safe, or something like this.
01:22:20.000I don't like that they have to tell you that.
01:24:01.000In my opinion, and I can't speak for all of populism or populists, but in my opinion, the populist response is we shouldn't give a fuck about any of these countries except our own country, and we should put America first.
01:24:10.000So all the money that we print in order to spend on defending Taiwan from threats like China only serves to weaken our working class and our people.
01:24:18.000It's not an America first policy, so it's not a populist policy.
01:24:21.000I think in the surrounding seas around Taiwan, the South China Sea, around like 50% of world trade, world GDP trade, goes through there.
01:24:30.000Well, it's too bad that we allowed ourselves to be so dependent on Chinese manufacturing, so we got to the point where this was a problem for us.
01:24:35.000If we were actually populist, we wouldn't have fucked ourselves by outsourcing slavery to China, and we'd be manufacturing our own prescription drugs, our own products, instead of importing them from China.
01:24:44.000So that's also the anti-populist problem.
01:24:47.000Are we also populistly abandoning our allies in Japan and Korea?
01:25:07.000Well, we usually tell people, like, we try not to swear because people have kids watching, but I think you've said it like 70 times, so at this point I'm just gonna be like... Oh, I'll genuinely apologize for that.
01:25:15.000I'm not really mad or anything, I just, I'm like... I know, I don't think you're mad.
01:25:19.000I'm just genuinely apologizing to you, I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable.
01:25:21.000I understand you're passionate about the issues, too, because a lot of people think that, yeah, we shouldn't have any involvement, so I don't... To hell with these people.
01:25:30.000We just get emails from people because they'll play the show with their kids in the living room or in their car.
01:25:34.000See, the thing with me is I'm on InfoWars and we're on radio, so you can't swear because it's against the law.
01:25:37.000And so whenever I come on podcasts, I'm like, finally, I can say the F word.
01:25:48.000I love them too, but not as much as America.
01:25:49.000Like, I love women, but I only sleep with my wife.
01:25:53.000Of course, but I think it's important for our allies not to be overrun by communists in the case of China, in the Asian Pacific, or Islamists in the case of the Middle East.
01:26:03.000I am sick and tired of all of this funding for all this war and we're not giving enough funding to Korea.
01:26:18.000I want 200 billion dollars sent to South Korea, you know, because North Korea is a real threat to this country.
01:26:25.000They're working on nuclear weapons and, you know, we got the real risk of war with North Korea, so we should just give everything to South Korea.
01:26:31.000I think we should only focus on our allyship with England, not even Scotland and Wales, just England only.
01:26:37.000I personally, in Canada, another great country in my opinion, as soon as two doesn't, doesn't
01:27:28.000Like, all of a sudden, just for some reason, be a neocon when it comes to South Korea.
01:27:32.000It's interesting because many of the people in Congress, the Republicans, who are anti-Ukraine funding are still very pro-Taiwan funding and are hawkishly anti-China, which I'm thankful for, you know, but it's just hypocritical in that point.
01:27:46.000Even Tulsi Gabbard, I think, too, right?
01:27:47.000Like, wasn't she critical of Ukraine but supportive of Israel funding?
01:27:51.000It'd be cool if everyone took the same policy.
01:27:52.000Yeah, but she was very quiet about Israel for like six months.
01:28:17.000I think that the priority should be our country first, and I can understand where we have geopolitical relationships, but to be fair, I think America makes kind of a mess of everything they do on the international stage, especially right now.
01:28:28.000How much better off is Iraq and Afghanistan because we got involved in protecting their democracy?
01:28:32.000If we allow our democratic allies in Taiwan to fall... We have no democratic allies.
01:28:36.000Japan and South Korea wouldn't have faith in us coming to defense, and then nuclear proliferation would be a huge issue.
01:28:42.000Nuclear proliferation is an issue, but not because our enemies are getting atomic weapons.
01:28:47.000It's because of our allies wanting atomic weapons when they feel threatened and we don't want to come and assist them in their defense.
01:28:53.000So, you know, if Taiwan falls, the first thing South Korea is going to want is a nuclear weapon.
01:28:58.000Uh, the less we aid Ukraine, the more they will want a nuclear weapon in the future.
01:29:03.000future. One of the original reasons they disarmed their nuclear arsenal originally was because
01:29:08.000we would defend them in case of an attack.
01:29:10.000Didn't Poland just offer to house our nuclear weapons if we wanted to put them there? I
01:29:13.000mean, like, I get what you're saying. On the other hand, I don't think it changes my position.
01:29:16.000I think ultimately, we didn't do a good job of inserting ourselves into the world internationally.
01:29:21.000And in fact, we hurt the American economy by shipping manufacturing overseas, which
01:29:25.000we said was going to help local economies or do whatever else. Like, this is not the
01:29:29.000way to help everybody by saying, well, everyone's going to be dependent on us all the time,
01:29:33.000especially when the people who are actually dependent on us American citizens feel as
01:29:37.000though we've left a gashing hole in the border. And also, all of them are worried about how
01:29:42.000to pay for their bills at the end of the month.
01:29:44.000If we are in charge of one population, the American people, they should feel like they are doing really well before we start saying, okay, here's what we're going to promise the rest of the world.
01:29:53.000We can't even come to our own promises that we have for our own voters.
01:29:55.000Why would we say, yes, you can depend on us for all these kinds of things.
01:30:02.000And if we really think China is a threat and that we should stand up against the CCP if they attack Taiwan, then why is it that we're giving them so many millions and billions of dollars?
01:30:11.000Do you not think China, the Communist Chinese government, is a threat to American hegemony and American interests, writ large?
01:30:19.000That's a difficult question for me to answer, yes or no.
01:30:22.000I would say that China is a competitor, but not a threat.
01:30:25.000And I think anytime China has been or will be a threat will be because we've probably induced that threat.
01:30:32.000Like, I have a problem with the CCP spying on us through TikTok less than I have a problem on our government.
01:30:41.000So it's going to try to ban TikTok because spying on the American people is something only our enemies do in the same 10 days that it passes legislation to spy on us.
01:31:07.000Yeah, Edward Snowden came out and said that the government was spying on us and it's a violation of our Fourth Amendment rights and the only person that got arrested for it or charged with any crimes for it was Edward Snowden.
01:32:48.000But there's something particularly egregious about a government betraying its own people that is just not the same when another government does it.
01:32:57.000We are what's referred to academically as a liberal democracy.
01:33:02.000It depends on the institutions you have within it, if you want to get to the nitty-gritty.
01:33:04.000So we're a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.
01:33:09.000Countries like this, because it largely does, at least in some degree, seek to have input from the people, are referred to as liberal democracy in that capacity.
01:33:19.000We can FOIA requests, as Alad mentioned, we can file lawsuits, and we win.
01:33:24.000The reason why I'm in favor of the TikTok divestment bill is because, for one, it's not really a ban.
01:34:17.000We're actually fighting a culture war, and in many ways we're winning.
01:34:19.000Targets abandoning their pride section, Bud Light panicked, they didn't give us everything they wanted and apologized, but they did still start backtracking.
01:34:26.000And then you've got Donald Trump, the frontrunner, right now to win in November.
01:34:30.000That doesn't mean we've won, but this doesn't exist in China.
01:35:08.000I don't know necessarily if you want to get into that, but I can tell you this.
01:35:11.000Militaristically, of course and obviously, the expansion of the South China Sea in violation of international treaties could destabilize the region and could seriously impact our allies, our resources, etc.
01:35:23.000Now, that being said, I'm more America first.
01:35:26.000I like to keep things here in the United States.
01:35:27.000We're going to have international relations.
01:35:29.000I don't care to go to war over Taiwan.
01:35:31.000But the expansion of the military and building atoll bases in South China Sea and then sending strike groups near Hawaii and Alaska is putting pressure on our boundaries and our territory.
01:35:41.000TikTok is the best example of China directly assaulting the United States.
01:35:46.000TikTok becomes massively popular in the United States and starts sending weird, woke garbage to children.
01:35:51.000It definitely brainwashed an entire generation of our people, 100%.
01:35:55.000That means in 20, 30 years, when these people who are brainwashed are in industry, it's going to be like, Putting a a a look you call it a mind virus.
01:36:05.000It is a it is a social mind virus in our society which is going to economically and physically damage us and already did.
01:36:13.000That's why I'm like TikTok must be assessed and held accountable in whatever mean appropriate.
01:36:19.000I'm not going to give Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or any other platform a free pass on this one, but if you look at X, we've got some solutions there.
01:36:28.000Not only did we have FOIA federal government's communications with Facebook and Twitter, which we learned.
01:36:33.000We had Alex Berenson's lawsuit against Twitter, and then we learned they were coordinating with government.
01:36:39.000We're able to fight those battles, and we've won many of them.
01:36:42.000And we're still facing serious challenges.
01:36:44.000But since TikTok is operated by the CCP and it's outside the jurisdiction of the United States, there's no way to deploy it, there's no way to litigate it, to see what they're doing to try and manipulate algorithms.
01:36:52.000And it is China attacking us, causing us harm to our nation, the fabric of this country, to destroy it.
01:36:57.000They're buying up land and the government is allowing it to happen.
01:37:02.000There's a risk for China in that regard because the government could nationalize that in a second and China would lose their minds.
01:37:08.000China's also been attacking us, our cyber infrastructure, for two decades.
01:37:12.000You can actually track the cyber attacks that are low scale and watch them in real time on various websites where you can see what I would describe as Chinese Corsair hackers, effectively pirates in the modern era, that are under commission.
01:37:28.000The way it works is China will indirectly provide funding to hacker groups in China and they'll be like, you have free reign to commit any crime you want as long as it's against the United States and Europe.
01:37:43.000So these people within Chinese borders are stealing money.
01:37:46.000Look at the phone calls you get every day.
01:37:48.000You ever notice those phone calls where it's just like weird Mandarin phone calls?
01:37:52.000Understand that in modern warfare, what China is looking to do is maximize friction without engaging in physical conflict.
01:38:01.000So something as simple as getting a phone call may seem innocuous.
01:38:05.000But if their math is, hey, if we do 100,000 phone calls to random phones in the United States every day, our estimates are that we could slow economic activity by 0.02%.
01:38:18.000And it's meaningless to you as an individual, but when you scale it up to 300 million people, you can actually measure the economic activity that someone's in the middle of a meeting and their phone rings and they stop to check it.
01:38:28.000That in one meeting is meaningless to you as an individual, but that adds up in the long run.
01:38:32.000These are all meant to destabilize the United States.
01:38:38.000And the challenge is, China's strategy is the, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you.
01:38:43.000So they're doing these things, I will say outright, TikTok is a psychological warfare.
01:38:49.000It's psychological warfare on the United States, targeting our youth, so that in 20 years, we are, I'm sorry, did you see the video of the guy on the aircraft carrier putting on makeup and then thrusting his hips around?
01:39:01.000This is our military that is now more focused on doing drag shows than on defending this nation.
01:39:08.000They're putting DEI policy into effect.
01:40:31.000The reason I was so eager is because when something happens in Taiwan, all of the neocons are going to just hype up how much of a threat the CCP is to justify sending billions and billions of dollars or escalating the conflict.
01:40:44.000And that's why I hate saying things like, yes, China's a threat, or yes, China's an enemy, even though it's probably true.
01:40:50.000I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I just hate the way that's used and abused by the right and the left to justify funding Israel, and then giving aid simultaneously to the Palestinians, and then funding Ukraine, and then funding Taiwan.
01:41:04.000I mean, it just seems like we're always wrapped up in war after war because everybody's a threat.
01:41:15.000Well, in terms of Russia, Ukraine, Israel, it's their threats to us in the sense of there is an elite group of military-industrial-complex goons who have enacted foreign policy plans, and their plans are being threatened.
01:41:32.000So in essence, not really a threat to the United States as a nation.
01:41:36.000Unless you really just want to live off the petrodollar.
01:41:52.000I don't know if it would be love, but people need to understand that Yeah, we don't really manufacture a lot relative to what we consume and produce here.
01:42:10.000And the principal issue is that so long as the U.S.
01:42:12.000is forced to use the dollar, our dollar has values and we have unlimited oil, basically.
01:42:16.000So we are constrained in that we can't just take all the oil and do whatever we want with it.
01:42:21.000There's limits because the Saudis can dump oil and flood the market and affect the petrodollar, but you've got countries that have to produce enough exports so that their currency is stable against the dollar so they can trade for it to get oil.
01:42:36.000and the Federal Reserve will just make money when they feel like spending it and they'll debase the currency and then hope no one does anything.
01:42:40.000So long as we have the guns pointed at everybody around the world, we don't have to worry about people getting mad that we just devalued the debt they were holding.
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01:51:36.000Bongino was talking about this, that Secret Service doesn't want anyone else to have weapons because they want to be the only law enforcement with force capability in the event that something happens.
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01:53:13.000Yeah, it was funny when When we were like, we're gonna sponsor your show, he was like, I will get a kiddie pool and I will fill it with coffee and swim in it, and I was like, you can do whatever you want.
01:53:27.000But so we like, I think we recently re-upped, so we sponsor his show, and then he promotes Casper Coffee, and in ways that probably a sane company would never allow, but that makes it more fun, you know what I mean?
01:53:39.000He just wants an excuse to be in a two-piece, I think.
01:54:05.000Brian Egan says, if Trump wins 2024, does the Libertarian Party have an opening to be successor to MAGA instead of the pendulum swinging all the way to the left again in 2028?
01:54:44.000It's too bad they didn't do it at the uh... FREE AMMUNITION!
01:54:46.000It would have been a lot better if they did it at MGM National Harbor, because then you've got a bunch of restaurants, you've got the casino, you've got the venue.
01:56:06.000About Trump being... 60-40, cheers to boos.
01:56:09.000People have already complained that Trump's coming.
01:56:12.000Because the attitude is, and we've had the conversation here about RFK as well, why are we inviting people who are not libertarians to come and dominate the convention that we are trying to build up a base of?
01:56:22.000And it's like, the Mises Caucus people are like, no, it's good because Trump is going to shine a light on the Libertarian Party.
01:56:29.000It's going to bring more people, it's going to raise more money, it's going to build awareness, and it's going to make a Republican president answer questions to the Libertarians, the same as the Democrats should, but they will not do.
01:56:37.000Whoever said they shouldn't invite Trump to promote an event?
01:58:02.000The funny thing about Congress is that when you see someone standing up and yelling and being like, we cannot elect this law, they're not actually arguing to anybody in Congress.
01:58:10.000Right, because they have all those conversations before they go up on C-SPAN.
01:58:20.000They want to make a video that they can go home and be like, look at me, look what I'm doing.
01:58:23.000Well, I was a lobbyist in Tennessee at the state level.
01:58:26.000And all the committee meetings, it was hilarious because there was a private committee meeting before the committee meeting in the committee room.
01:58:32.000So just the people on the committee meeting talking about all the legislation, how they're going to vote, why, what they're going to say.
01:58:38.000They literally plan it out like a pregame.
01:58:40.000And then you go in, and they have the official legal meeting that's required, where they have the arguments and the debates, and they come up to the podium, and it's already, like, figured out, so the meetings always ended on time at the perfect moment.
01:58:51.000And yeah, I saw that at the state level in Tennessee, and it's certainly true, Congress too.
01:58:55.000ERB Media says, Hey Tim, can I get a shout-out for my band, Egomyth?
02:01:12.000I do think we've made the word colonization dirty.
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