Charlie Kirk was an icon in the progressive movement. He was a leader in the pro-choice movement and was a beloved member of the Turning Point USA organization. On this episode of the podcast, we pay our respects to Charlie and remember his life.
00:03:54.000He did so much in our country, did so much in Wyoming where I'm from.
00:03:59.000I've been on the phone with Turning Point students all day from across Wyoming.
00:04:05.000He just did an event in in late April at the University of Wyoming, and he spent three hours taking questions, debating, talking about the truth.
00:04:17.000And he formed Turning Point USA to say we need to have a dialogue on college campuses.
00:04:26.000He's talked about this so eloquently so many times.
00:04:31.000Do you want to just give a quick introduction?
00:04:33.000Yeah, I'm Chuck Ray, the Wyoming Secretary of State, uh chief election official for the state of Wyoming, also serves as the second in command, the lieutenant governor in Wyoming, and uh really sad about today's events.
00:05:27.000Behind Phil, we put up our autographed signed Charlie Kirk poster.
00:05:32.000Uh several years ago, he joined us for a debate on Timcast IRL with the progressive leftist Vosh, and he signed it for us, and we put it up.
00:06:07.000It is turning point action and turning point USA as well as Turning Point UK and all of their affiliates are typical, on the level, proper filing, all the good stuff to function fairly and honorably in a democratic republican form of government.
00:06:36.000There's a tweet that people have surfaced where someone says that they hope something happens to Charlie, and then they followed up by saying something will happen tomorrow.
00:08:05.000The odd thing about these suspects was that I was watching Fox News earlier, and there were actually multiple people who are interviewed live on Fox News who said the people in custody were not the right people.
00:08:15.000And it it gave it a a really weird vibe immediately because you saw these videos going around of some bald old men saying, and he was saying you know, I I have a right to remain silent and whatnot, and you you you have to imagine there's no way that a person like this could could get away.
00:08:34.000Uh there's just so many questions, Mark Mark's here.
00:08:39.000Uh, Charlie Kirk was a guy who dedicated his life as early, I believe, in in high school, or even maybe before that, to conservatism and conservative politics.
00:08:47.000And he was murdered while doing the things that he loved.
00:08:52.000I I think the reason why this strikes so many um conservative commentators and politicos and whatnot, is because Charlie Kirk was so deeply in tune with so many different creators and journalists and right-wing media figures in the space.
00:09:07.000I uh I I did a stream, I think around five o'clock.
00:09:43.000They took care of us to make sure we can get our team out there.
00:09:46.000And I want to just say when we went out, when we do these trips, it's really hard because we have this regularly scheduled nightly show.
00:09:52.000Charlie not only built us a temporary studio, he let us use his personal studio, but while it was being built, and he personally stayed late with us when all of his staff went home to make sure we were taken care of.
00:10:08.000It is hard to believe that this has happened.
00:10:11.000And I'm I'm just so pissed off for a million and one reasons.
00:10:15.000For all the obvious reasons everybody understands, there are many, many more people who have uh much more right to be angry than I, of course.
00:10:22.000Some of my thoughts and my prayers are with his family and uh his friends and his organization.
00:10:28.000And you know, just we're at their disposal, whatever they need, whatever we can do.
00:10:35.000It's outrageous they don't have uh somebody maybe there's something going on behind the scene, but I mean, look, you had a you have a big crowd of people, and this is this is the thing about Trump.
00:11:05.000When the assassination on attempt on Trump was made, people pointed out that Trump intentionally doesn't like heavy security because he wants people to be able to talk to him.
00:11:15.000When you're at Mar-a-Lago, that's like JFK.
00:11:46.000There's Speaker Mike Johnson in a room.
00:11:48.000There was, I think Rob uh Blogoevich was there, and we saw Trump, and I walked right up, and Brusowitz was there, and he was like, Mr. President, I'd like you to meet.
00:11:57.000I think this is actually before the election.
00:12:10.000He was doing these events, and he wanted to be accessible to the best of the to the best of his abilities.
00:12:16.000That's why he goes out to these campuses and he sits there in a campus and says, Come and have a conversation with me.
00:12:24.000Charlie won the debate, and that's why these people took his life because they had no response to someone who had so thoroughly won the debate.
00:13:08.000And I don't want to give up on our republic because the option is to do things that are, you know, is to to take liberties away from people, and that's not good for America.
00:13:25.000But the people that killed Charlie, the people that are celebrating Charlie's death, they Don't believe in liberalism.
00:13:31.000They're not liberals, as much as we'll that's the name that they get, you know, they get that is used to describe them.
00:13:41.000And today everybody's emotions are so high or so, you know, it's such a a painful day.
00:13:48.000Like it's really hard to not, you know, post things that are TOS violations or say things that are that are really bad, you know.
00:13:56.000Um it's it's it's just really tough to to you know control that impulse because there are terrible things that I want to say, and terrible things that because I'm emotional about the whole thing.
00:14:10.000We've been talking about how the political climate in this country was is going to lead to these kind of things.
00:14:33.000Political Using using the government going after their political enemies, and that then there was the attack on Donald Trump, two attacks on Donald Trump.
00:14:40.000So people called one of the dudes that jumped on stage a third attack on Donald Trump.
00:14:45.000And now Charlie, um where does it end?
00:14:50.000Because Charlie was so milked toast, everyday conservative.
00:16:00.000Mr. Grey, can you tell us a little bit more about uh how you think we should be feeling and thinking about this in an age of political violence?
00:16:14.000Well, earlier uh we were talking about what's the off-ramp.
00:16:18.000Well, the off-ramp is what Charlie Kirk was presenting, which is this vibrant political debate.
00:16:26.000When he came to the University of Wyoming in late April, it he spoke for about I'd say seven to nine minutes, and then it went straight to QA, the QA that he was known for.
00:16:39.000And he would have these very uh respectful back and forth debates on the issues of the day, and it was broadcast live.
00:16:52.000I mean, when we look at the the poll polling numbers on Gen Z and the transformation politically of Gen Z, uh turning point is a pivotal part of that.
00:17:07.000And and Charlie, Charlie's a visionary.
00:17:10.000I don't think we should dilute the facts here about the loathing of the left towards Charlie Kirk.
00:17:17.000They thought he was a misogynist because he was pro-life and he was irredeemable because of that.
00:17:23.000They thought he was irredeemable because he supported Israel and they would accuse him of supporting genocide.
00:17:29.000Um they think that because he was willing to call out black violence towards white people, that he was a racist, and that all of this stuff makes him an irredeemable white supremacist, bigoted racist that many on the left are actually going to celebrate.
00:17:45.000They are thinking other things celebrated.
00:17:48.000If this monster is ever found, which God willing, they will be soon.
00:17:52.000Uh I think they will be turned into a Luigi Mangioni type figure.
00:17:55.000We're in an era of political violence.
00:17:58.000I mean, if he's prosecuted and convicted, Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah said that he wanted to remind everyone that Utah still has the death penalty.
00:18:05.000Yes, yes, but what a lot is saying is that they they lionize Luigi Manchoni.
00:18:10.000And when they do catch this guy, the left is going to make portraits of him as a saint, and they're gonna put him on their magazine covers.
00:19:04.000And then when he opened up America Fest, not just to students, but to everybody, people of all ages were coming to America Fest to like hang out and meet each other.
00:19:13.000And it was a a sort of revelation during the Biden woke era and all that.
00:19:19.000It was like, oh, wait, there's there's more of us.
00:19:22.000There's more of us who are not on board with all of this lunacy.
00:19:26.000There was a we can hang out, we can have conversations and not be shunned and not be kicked out of our families here.
00:19:32.000All of the side events that were being built up around it.
00:19:34.000And people were saying this is bigger than the RNC.
00:19:44.000If there's someone that is charismatic at turning point, it still could because Charlie's the legacy that Charlie has left is something that a lot of people are going to coalesce around.
00:19:57.000Well, I was thinking about this too on the drive over here, and I was thinking that the men who are next in line to Charlie's legacy, um are really gonna need to step up, you know, and and really are gonna be in that spotlight.
00:20:18.000Men like Jack Psobic, men like you, Tim Poole, you know.
00:20:21.000I mean, the the men who are at the forefront of this and have been unafraid and have been speaking their mind, there's gonna be a lot more light on them, you know, and a lot more perhaps more danger as well, which is sort of terrifying, terrifying to think about, but it can't what Charlie was creating is not something that the people of America can afford to lose.
00:20:47.000Yeah, I'm thinking what would he say if he was here right now?
00:20:51.000And I I'm kind of torn down the middle between the animal part of me that wants the vengeance and wants to find the guy and see a public execution, and then there's the part of me that's like kindness, compassion, forgiveness.
00:21:04.000These are the things he believed in, and that not to fall into the rage because there's there's a middle road there though, Ian.
00:21:12.000Not just kindness, compassion, forgiveness, or unadulterated rage, justice.
00:21:20.000Yeah, but to not to cause pain on the victim unnecessarily suffering because that's more hellish.
00:21:25.000Don't worry about don't worry about the not the victim, the perpetrator.
00:21:28.000What you are correct on is I I would never purport to speak for Charlie, but I imagine as a rational and intelligent, powerful leader, he would say we have to be reasonable and rational in how we respond now.
00:21:44.000Trump is getting tremendous is gaining tremendous victories.
00:21:49.000The actions against Charlie are the moves of a desperate, fringe psychotic ideology.
00:21:55.000They want to drag us down into the mud so that we break from the position that has brought us success.
00:22:02.000That does not mean we don't get justice.
00:22:05.000Utah, they said they have the death penalty, and they're going to find this person.
00:22:12.000What this means for us is we have to remain calm and collected and vigilant, working towards justice, finding the suspect, but making sure we do not allow wanton random escalation.
00:22:37.000Charlie was just a guy who had passion in politics and built up organizations to pursue those passions, but he did not decide how you would live or sleep.
00:22:47.000He just explained his ideas and did it better than they did.
00:23:49.000It destroyed the hope and dreams of the kids in the 60s that thought JFK was there to help, and he was.
00:23:53.000He was there to step up against the military war machine and and scale it down, and they people believed and they had hope, and then it was taken.
00:24:01.000And the and the people who believed in the civil rights movement, you know, only to have um Martin Luther King Jr. struck down as well.
00:24:11.000The far left in this country seems completely emboldened to have vigilante justice against those who they view as fascists, which is anybody on the right.
00:25:20.000It was for sure the truth in the arts.
00:25:23.000I mean, it was true in the theater community in New York City.
00:25:26.000It was true in, I mean, if you remember in I don't know why anyone remember this, but in 2018, there was an exhibit at the San Francisco public library that had punch a turf because they went from punch a Nazi to beat up women who don't think men are women.
00:25:41.000And they had a baseball bat that was like covered with fake blood that said punch a turf on it.
00:25:46.000Like all of this stuff, um it has escalated, and a lot of people were, you know, being like, hey, that's crazy.
00:25:54.000And here we're and they're they're assassinating, you know, extremely wonderful young men.
00:26:00.000So the question then is immediately when this happens, our, you know, our security team, they're contacting us.
00:26:07.000I I assure you, every person in this space, their sec their their companies, their teams, they made phone calls, everything's been dialed up as high as it can be dialed up.
00:26:18.000I mean, just a week ago, I was saying, like, wow, things have calmed down, where the riots it seems like we're winning.
00:26:23.000And I think this is what happens when you when it is perceivable that to everybody, including your adversaries that you're winning, they they take these desperate moves.
00:26:33.000The question for us is uh I had an event planned with Alex Stein for October.
00:28:24.000And it's the same thing with your high-level political per person.
00:28:30.000Yeah, and he there's nothing you can do.
00:28:32.000What you were talking about, like they haven't won because you're not doing an a public appearance.
00:28:38.000They've only won if you stop doing the show, if you stop talking about these things, if you stop bringing the opposing argument, you've struck fear into your heart where you're scared to do in a public event that you'd otherwise do it.
00:28:49.000It does feel like sufficiently terrible.
00:28:53.000If it's one person, it's totally different.
00:28:55.000If you're talking about putting a boatload of people into a room, the people, other people that work here, it's a different thing.
00:29:12.000It's not a loss if you change your tactics.
00:29:14.000If the enemy develops a new weapon in the culture war that's like artillery and your your old position's no longer viable, you just remaneuver to a new position that's more fortified.
00:29:24.000The the big question is so there was a story, and I I told this before.
00:29:27.000I mean, I I don't know if I should, but we were in Nashville, and we were going to go uh I was gonna I was gonna play music.
00:29:34.000I think Ian was gonna we're gonna go to John Rich's uh honky tonk.
00:29:39.000And there was a security threat, which I won't go into detail on, and I was told we can't do the event because of this security risk, this this this threat against you.
00:29:48.000And then I said, they're not gonna stop me, they can't scare me.
00:29:53.000And then I was told, Tim, this is downtown Nashville, and there are children outside.
00:30:00.000If someone comes with a gun, it's not about you.
00:30:06.000If we go to this event and we say that we're gonna be on the ground at this university, and some lunatic shows up with a gun, it's not just me that's at risk.
00:30:13.000It's any one of those kids or people who want to show up too.
00:30:16.000Well, and all those kids were fleeing.
00:30:19.000And it's and then and thankfully nobody else was was was injured, but horrifyingly, Charlie, the leader of this massive movement has lost his life.
00:30:29.000I certainly understand the anger you might feel over this tactic stops us from doing these university events because they're so powerful and important.
00:30:39.000But so there's there is a a level of you know, if I I would put it like this.
00:30:47.000If we were talking about a battlefield, and you know that the enemy is uh has assassins targeting your officers, you take your officers out of the risk, and then you utilize other resources in these key areas.
00:31:01.000That is to say, campus events can still happen.
00:31:04.000It just doesn't need to be the highest profile of individuals.
00:31:10.000It can be among the students that are already there, which minimizes the risks and minimizes the target but keeps the conversations going.
00:31:16.000So TP USA can still keep these going without Charlie.
00:31:20.000It can be handled by local chapters who can carry on these debates and make sure we don't lose momentum.
00:31:40.000If they can get targets on the president, then anybody is capable of getting...
00:31:48.000They can it's literally drone bomb your house if they think you're gonna be able to do it.
00:31:51.000Yes, yes, but but let's let's let's be real.
00:31:53.000Like these events that we do, I have to drive in a car to a back entrance, go in and go out with security waiting for me because we've like I've we've been s we were swatted 15 times one year.
00:32:03.000We've we've had the bomb squad multiple times.
00:32:05.000We've had uh a man show up claiming he was sent by God.
00:32:08.000We have there there's other security issues that I'm not going to go into detail on because they happen every single day.
00:32:38.000So it it's this is like a major moment in this country that's a lot of us thought could happen.
00:32:47.000We didn't know when or how, but we just really in the back of our minds thought it it wasn't gonna happen, even though Phil and I talk about it every single night.
00:32:54.000There's no off ramp, it's just the escalation keeps getting worse all day.
00:33:00.000Let me let me tell you the hardest thing was we we we have friends in this space, and the only thing that I wanted to tweet was that Charlie was okay.
00:33:13.000Even though I was getting people hitting me up, and they and I got a phone call and I didn't say anything because I didn't want to believe it.
00:33:27.000Because the only thing that mattered was that the AP said he was stable.
00:33:31.000And I got a call from someone, you know, in the when the story is breaking and they told me this is a top level person in the know, he is stable.
00:34:04.000Um, you know, Jack is our is a senior editor, and Jack and Charlie are obviously really tight, and so you know, we cover his show a lot, and um uh we would we watch his cold open every day and we go down the list, we're like, oh, we covered that, we covered that, we covered the dang, we missed that, you know, go through.
00:34:23.000Um but we Thomas Stevenson has connections in Utah, and he used to um intern on the hill for Senator Lee.
00:34:34.000And so, you know, I called him as soon as I heard that the shooting had happened, and um he was like, uh, and it's his day off.
00:34:42.000And he was like, Let me see what's going on, let me find out.
00:34:45.000And he was driving, he pulled over to the side of the road, and I don't know how long he stayed on the side of the road, like trying to figure out what was going on, because he had also alerted us to this event last week.
00:34:56.000He was like, This looks like it's gonna be a pretty good event.
00:34:59.000You know, I'll see if um people I know are going and like what's happening at it.
00:35:05.000Um and uh we had reason to believe based on the information that Tommy was getting that um that it was not that it was not gonna be uh good news.
00:35:38.000If we're if we're the last outlet to write this down, that's fine.
00:35:43.000We're not we're not gonna we're not going after anything other than like accuracy on this one, and we were just no, we were just stunned.
00:35:53.000Like one of our office is fully remote, so everybody is all across the country, and one of the things That we do is bring everybody to a turning point event.
00:36:04.000You know, like maybe once or twice a year, get as many people from staff out as we can and like have a toast and talk in person, and that's just not something that we normally do.
00:36:14.000Like it'll be months and months before I physically see anybody that I work with.
00:36:19.000Um yeah, I mean it it it definitely hit our newsroom a little hard.
00:36:25.000And I was I was so angry, I was so angry when I saw other outlets posting like writing articles and sharing them saying that he had passed before they had before they had confirmation, like I was just livid.
00:36:39.000I was having a hard time when I would see people tweet, there's no way he's gonna survive.
00:36:49.000There they call it the placebo effect in science.
00:36:51.000No one really knows exactly what's happening, but there's something.
00:36:54.000I went to church on the ton of candles.
00:36:57.000Let me some injuries are so great that it's like the spirits can't mend, you know.
00:37:01.000I just want to say, you know, final thought on the issue of these live events.
00:37:05.000Guys, if our streets have become a battlefield, you don't run into the battlefield.
00:37:11.000If you are standing in an open field and you hear a gunshot, you get down and you find cover.
00:37:16.000You do not run into it without a plan.
00:37:20.000My point is there are more effective means of being involved in it in in this information without without risking my life and losing all of the shows that we already do that reach a much wider audience over live shows per month.
00:38:16.000She wasn't Mike'd, so it was hard to hear.
00:38:18.000Um, I saw the clip going viral, and uh again, it was Tommy who hit me to it, and we went back and looked on C-Span and pulled the full clip, which was like two minutes.
00:38:28.000Mike Johnson called for a moment of silence.
00:38:30.000Let's uh let's play this and see what we do.
00:38:35.000Please rise for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.
00:41:00.000And I gotta start with myself, but this is what literally we we've been talking about trying to cool the rhetoric for the better part of three, four years or so.
00:41:11.000I mean, this is this is this is uh something that we've been talking about forever.
00:41:18.000I've either I was listening to people say, hey, we've got to cool the rhetoric, or I've been saying it myself.
00:41:25.000Like I don't know what to do, but just saying, hey, cool the rhetoric is not enough.
00:41:33.000No, it's not a machine that's pouring this rhetoric into our country into our airwaves to make people crazy to destabilize the country and there's there's a significant portion of the population that have been radicalized.
00:41:55.000I'm talking about call like college students and young adults that have been radicalized.
00:42:01.000I the person that that shot Charlie, obviously, we don't know who it was, but it's likely that it was a young adult.
00:42:08.000Not necessarily, but it was likely there was but they were they were a leftist, likely a leftist who believed that Charlie Kirk had all these terrible views.
00:42:18.000Where did they come up with that idea?
00:42:20.000When honestly, again, his Charlie's views were very standard boilerplate Republican, right?
00:42:29.000Not moderate American conservative, traditional, not particularly extreme.
00:42:33.000It is not extremist to say it's good for men and women to be married and have kids.
00:42:40.000So Occupy Democrats, Occupy Democrats on their Instagram have multiple, multiple anti-Charlie Kirk posts that they have put up today, including, yes, he really said this, no one should be assassinated, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a hateful jerk who spread nothing but division and ill will towards his fellow man.
00:43:03.000These are if you look at the timestamps 12 minutes ago, they posted that.
00:43:07.00033 minutes ago, they put the we've got it.
00:43:10.000Charlie Kirk spent his entire life disparaging immigrants, disrespecting women, and blaming black folks only to get shot in one of the whitest places on earth.
00:43:17.000As a woman who went on his show a fair number of times, and I he had nothing but respect for me.
00:43:25.000He was kind, he was generous with himself and with his intellect, and he was, you know, he was a really good man.
00:43:31.000I don't see how you can say that about him at all.
00:43:34.000And he took he took everybody's opinions.
00:43:37.000He talked to everybody about everything.
00:44:03.000If you want to look for it, you're gonna find it.
00:44:05.000And there's it's not actually uncommon either.
00:44:09.000It's not like these are fringe people, right?
00:44:12.000Like there are considerable people that are considerable amount of people that are in public life that are on blue sky that will say terrible, horrible things.
00:44:22.000You know, it's so easy to do, and it has such repercussions on it that are yet to be understood by the power the power human power to speak and to propel it with mass media, it's so new.
00:44:33.000You can you combine that kind of rhetoric with the political leaning that is most likely to be someone that has some kind of mental illness, um, and you're going to get this type of reaction.
00:44:49.000The left loves people that are miserable, that are unhappy with their life, that don't have a foundation in any kind of faith, that don't have a family, Because people that have family, people that have faith, people that are happy, do not engage in political violence.
00:45:08.000They don't engage in revolutionary activities.
00:45:22.000Like if you if you have a family, if you have kids, you're not gonna go do something crazy like this because you have kids to take care of.
00:45:27.000If you have a job that you care about that's providing for you or providing for your family, you're not gonna do something crazy like that because you have a job.
00:45:39.000They need nihilistic, desperate people that have nothing to lose.
00:45:46.000And so the crazier they the more the more extreme they can find people, the more people they can find on the margins of society and tell them the problem is, you know, Christians that are having kids, the happier they are.
00:46:00.000That's something that Dr. Jordan Peterson used to always say, like, why are more people not speaking out?
00:46:05.000Because they're busy leading their lives and raising their kids, you know.
00:46:09.000I mean, is that something that you find?
00:46:29.000But the minute that changed in 2013, 2014, that's when you started to see some of the the changes in in polling and attitudes, and and you've seen it more and more with Gen Z. I mean, that they understand what's at stake for public policy, and it's because of a lot of a lot of it is because of the of this work that Turning Point has done.
00:46:55.000They were doing so much to get out the vote last year.
00:46:58.000They were doing stuff too, weren't they?
00:47:00.000Where it was like, come to this event, this turning point event with Don Jr.
00:47:04.000And, you know, vote early, drop off your mail and ballot right here, and then come on in, you know, and like that was your ticket in was dropping off your ballot.
00:47:16.000I went to my Facebook just to see what people were saying.
00:47:20.000And while there certainly are some awful statements, a lot of the lefty activist types that I've known since Occupy are calling out the younger left and the leftists calling for violence.
00:47:36.000These these are these are people who have followed me on Facebook and I followed for a very, very long time, and they're very like it was populist left occupy stuff, so they hate Trump.
00:47:44.000And I'm just seeing I see a handful of posts where they're saying these people are evil.
00:47:50.000Charlie did nothing wrong, like he was just a guy that they didn't like.
00:47:54.000And I I wish, and I I I these occupied Democrats and this blue sky stuff is what's terrifying.
00:48:01.000But I feel like some of these, these, these uh older folks, at least these more, you know, I guess occupy-centered people are shocked and they seem to be angry about Charlie Kirk's death.
00:49:56.000This guy was the first person detained in the middle.
00:49:58.000But the first thing I noticed right away when they released him was whatever it is he did that resulted in him being the guy grabbed, it allowed the shooter to escape.
00:50:05.000Whether intentional or otherwise, I have no idea, but that distraction.
00:50:09.000Could he have been intentionally part of a distraction?
00:50:11.000Yeah, the argument that some people are making.
00:50:14.000And then there was the one guy on Fox News talking about this guy saying that it definitely couldn't have been him and that he wasn't capable.
00:51:41.000That why would this happen, this shooting, and then some guy be perceived as by anybody of being the shooter, start yelling, shoot me, shoot me, and I have the right to remain silent, which only serves to assist.
00:51:53.000I'm not saying I'm not saying intentionally, but the actions he took did help the shooter escape, or or who we believe to be the guy on the roof running.
00:52:02.000If you want, we could find the Fox News interview too of him talking to like his buddy saying that it definitely wasn't this guy and that he named this guy specifically.
00:52:10.000Uh if you want to try and find it, yeah.
00:52:12.000What one of the also one of the angles here that I wanted to hit on that I feel like we haven't touched on was the morbidity and ghoulishness of social media as soon as this was coming out, and um how quickly people felt the need to spit around how many different angles they could find of this young man being shot and killed and and analyzing, you know, uh the volumes of blood coming out.
00:53:01.000I think there should be a research that's completely done that took place hours, maybe a day, before anything went on.
00:53:09.000Who could be there and pull that trigger and do it?
00:53:11.000And I don't think it was George Sam, he was poor, broke, and he maybe was on medication a little bit loony boon, maybe a perfect person to pick and say they did it, and I don't think he did it at all.
00:53:21.000So at this point, but did you see him taken into custody?
00:53:24.000Did you see him with any kind of thing in his hand, any device in his hand or anything like that?
00:53:28.000Yeah, I saw when they when they uh actually put the handcuffs behind his back, I followed him Jason Champions.
00:53:35.000So that George Zinn guy, um, just for some context, he was a guy that called in a bomb threat on the I'm right over here.
00:53:41.000The guy that called the bomb threat in on the 2013 Salt Lake City Marathon, and everyone thought that was gonna be this guy, but that ended up being complete false false red herring, had nothing to do with him.
00:53:51.000Man, a lot of weird you mentioned this is you mentioned the ghoulishness of social media.
00:53:57.000Well, people were like passing around the clip, and this is gaining Millions of views, and this is the thing.
00:54:02.000We are drawn to sex, drugs, and violence as people, as human beings, we feel the the need, and like people are digging around for all these morbid clips and they're tracking up hundreds of millions of views.
00:54:13.000And you know, it's it's we're catching this guy in the most intimate moments of his life bleeding out in front of crowds of thousands of people recording him, and because he's this sort of celebrity, uh there's just something deeply wrong and strange, and it it feels like something we shouldn't be viewing in the capacity that we are able to do.
00:54:35.000I agree that people have been saying maybe that this is like a demonic, a spiritual demonic war that we're in.
00:54:41.000And this is maybe it's a bit esoteric, but is that the reason maybe part of the reason why we don't torture criminals to death anymore that we don't watch them scream for hours is because that's actually creating a demonic energy when you have hate and rage.
00:54:55.000And yesterday when they people kept seeing videos of that girl getting her neck stabbed by that dude on the bus, that it was generating this bloodlust in people I've never seen before in mass like this.
00:55:18.000But I want to make sure we clarify, I don't think that I think this event was planned long before the story of Irina Zarutska became a national conversation.
00:55:56.000Um, but I think there's something to be said for public execution in terms of um it it uh deterring people.
00:56:04.000I mean, you used to be able to like see people get executed by death penalty by like the electric chair, right?
00:56:10.000Um Albert Camus talks about witnessing a public hanging.
00:56:15.000Uh certainly in the colonies in Massachusetts, uh Nathaniel Hawthorne talks about um public hanging as a means of execution, you know.
00:56:24.000Uh and it's in the Scarlet Letter, and it's it's it's brutal.
00:56:27.000It's brutal just to read about, it's brutal to read when Camus talks about it.
00:56:31.000And um I think there's something to be said for showing the punishment that comes to the perpetrators of these crimes as opposed to just constantly seeing the blood of innocent victims spilled on our streets.
00:56:46.000You know, I mean if if you want bloodlust, go after the killers, stop going after the victims every time.
00:56:52.000We've seen so much blood in the past few days, and the videos uh it's it's um I don't want to see more innocent people killed.
00:57:03.000You know, if you want to satisfy a bloodlust America, like stage your executions.
00:57:08.000We hear about executions, you know, we hear about Florida's killing people.
00:57:12.000What was it, Alabama recently or Texas, you know, places that um do this.
00:57:17.000I didn't grow up in a place that does that very often.
00:57:19.000Uh and so we don't see it, we just read about it the next day, and we read about how perhaps the families of the victims were there to witness it, because often they're invited to witness something like that.
00:57:34.000And I would I would far rather see public execution used as a kind of deterrent, kind of like Tim always says with the gang member and the diaper being forced to crawl down.
00:57:50.000I'd rather see someone in the stocks as barbaric as that is than see you know more of these uh blood fountains of the innocent soaking our our Twitter feeds.
00:59:10.000To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah.
00:59:20.000Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror.
00:59:28.000Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America.
00:59:39.000He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people.
00:59:43.000He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth.
00:59:51.000Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith.
00:59:55.000And we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven.
01:00:01.000Our prayers are with his wife, Erica, the two young, beloved children and his entire family who he loved more than anything in the world.
01:00:11.000We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain.
01:00:21.000Charlie Kirk traveled the nation joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate.
01:00:29.000His mission was to bring young people into the political process, which he did better than anybody ever.
01:00:37.000To share his love of country and to spread the simple words of common sense.
01:00:43.000On campuses nationwide, he championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace.
01:00:50.000It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.
01:01:08.000For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.
01:01:20.000This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.
01:01:31.000My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.
01:01:52.000From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father to the attacks on ICE agents to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others.
01:02:09.000Damn, he's going to be able to do that.
01:02:10.000Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.
01:02:17.000Tonight I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, the values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God.
01:02:33.000Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country.
01:02:40.000An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.
01:02:53.000Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it's not even close.
01:03:45.000Like we talked like they want the right to overreact.
01:03:50.000The point is if they go after him, the right will get incensed, and then the right will overreact, and then they can say, We're victims, we're victims, feel bad for us.
01:04:00.000They have been losing and losing and losing and losing.
01:04:03.000They need something to turn the tide back to them again.
01:04:06.000So that way they're they they will win these political engagements.
01:04:09.000Or lost over and there's more, I think there's a little more to it than that.
01:04:14.000I think that um I think that the left in America right.
01:04:38.000I'm I'm being told that our team is getting death threats actively right now.
01:04:42.000Well, this was a beautiful speech from the president.
01:04:46.000However, I don't think it convinced one person who believes that the president is a Nazi that he is no longer a Nazi.
01:04:55.000No, I thought that also like he's reinforcing their own.
01:04:59.000On love or something, like his behavior, they're like, Oh, there goes the Nazis saying the Nazi thing again.
01:05:04.000I was getting that look on what he was doing just then.
01:05:07.000Like if you if you hate him and you've already decided you hate him, and anything he says is a lie and it's actually evil, like no amount of outpouring of love.
01:05:14.000Well, I can't say no amount, but it's hard to for for a speech like this from Donald Trump to change someone in a and if he was holding back emotions, you know, like what's he gonna do, come on TV and break down and cry.
01:05:25.000Maybe that was like his third attempt at making the video.
01:05:37.000I mean, the radical left, they can't operate in the sphere that Charlie Kirk was operating in effectively because their policies are nonsense.
01:05:50.000That was uh Charlie Kirk would just run circles around them.
01:06:19.000They have there will be murals, and there will be people sharing his message, but he was more than that, and this is what has me worried is that he was a powerful business mind.
01:06:31.000He knew how to build a machine better than anybody else, and that's an amazing job.
01:06:36.000They go after him not just because of his effectiveness, but he was once in a thousand years kind of guy.
01:06:42.000He's it's this is a generational who's so courageous.
01:06:48.000I'm gonna give an example from you know, I'm from Wyoming, and the debates we've had over the last 15 years as I've been involved in public policy.
01:06:55.000So we're in COVID, and uh things are shut down.
01:07:01.000Uh in May, things start to open back up.
01:07:04.000We were you know trying to get things moving again.
01:07:08.000Charlie Kirk comes to the Wyoming State GOP convention, and he opens up and he says, This is probably the biggest event that has happened in the world in the last two months.
01:07:24.000I mean he had such courage, uh charisma, And uh that was a huge moment, I can tell you where I'm from.
01:07:34.000I mean, that that moment in the in the COVID debate was a inflection point.
01:07:40.000We were talking about it a little bit before the show.
01:07:42.000Charlie Kirk is probably the second most influential person on the right um behind the president, behind President Trump.
01:07:49.000And uh it's really hard to exaggerate his influence between turning point and turning point action and all the people he employs and the cultural relevance of his show and then these campus events and how much he fundraises for different people and he was involved in all these different campaigns.
01:08:03.000Uh do we have something pulled up here?
01:09:47.000Five years, six years, something like that.
01:09:48.000Or was it was it they think it started because he was 17 in 2011 there there's a tweet going around where Charlie Kirk was tweeting at Glenn Beck in 2011 and he was 17 years old.
01:10:04.000You know, I mean, so it's like in just over 10 years, he built this massive, massive influential organization that, you know, without question had an impact on getting the president elected.
01:11:06.000Charlie would come and he would say, Look, if you're if you're gonna be here, you need to try to dedicate yourself to what you want to be doing.
01:12:00.000He said you need to be focused, and he uh was a great communicator of of the Christian faith and the love of of you know Jesus and and uh prayer and I mean that was one of his messages uh in back in April when he came uh for one of his live events in in Wyoming, he focused.
01:12:21.000I remember one exchange where that was really that really came out.
01:12:26.000Charlie's wife and and children were there.
01:12:36.000He was uh I I agree with what you're saying about his his his devotion to the Lord to the Christian ethos, and he but he was also like open to letting me splay out all my disbelief, and he just listened.
01:12:49.000He loved it that I was willing to challenge him.
01:14:18.000We ran a story on that because I thought that that was absolutely out of control that he did that.
01:14:23.000And all of these people claiming white supremacists are the root of all evil, and by it was by I was on Charlie Kirk's show this morning with Andrew Colvet, his producer, talking exactly about Arena Zarutska and talking about all of this stuff and this rhetoric about you know, white supremacists commit all of these crimes.
01:14:41.000And we were looking at the data and it's not there.
01:14:43.000Like the data just isn't there, you know, that they're referring to.
01:14:46.000They're talking about 2022 when white supremacy was defined by the Biden administration to be like anything, right?
01:14:53.000They had like they had like um the what was it, the pulse nightclub shooting?
01:14:59.000They had that listed as white supremacy.
01:15:06.000And um, or maybe it wasn't that way, it was in Colorado.
01:15:09.000Anyway, I don't have all of my facts straight on it.
01:15:12.000But the Biden administration said the Biden FBI said that white supremacy and uh white supremacist domestic extremism was like the biggest threat facing the country.
01:15:23.000And that was just a blatant outright lie.
01:15:25.000They were going after that FBI was targeting Christians.
01:15:32.000And then just a few years later, these leftists who are no longer in power, who no longer have the deep state at their command, who no longer have the FBI to run cover for their racism, are out here killing honorable men.
01:15:48.000I was thinking yesterday about crime stats because there was a kind of a conversation last night.
01:15:52.000And one of the things I noticed about crime stats, like, say, Say in the past, 30%, 30 times more crime was committed by black men in this neighborhood.
01:16:00.000And then but the error is when people's like, therefore, you as a black man in the future are 30 times more likely to commit a crime.
01:16:07.000No, the past doesn't dictate future behavior.
01:16:25.000But also there is a correlation, and you know, why is there correlation of violence in certain communities?
01:16:30.000It could be due to like I think a lot of it is people want to throw money at poverty and get them out of poverty, but it's like what is the money buy?
01:16:36.000And the main thing you should be buying is nutrition because generationally, if generationally, if you have nutrition, your kids will develop the phone.
01:16:42.000Well, they don't like that either, right?
01:16:43.000I mean, the leftists are angry at RFK Jr. for doing that.
01:16:46.000Well, let me feel your kids will develop IQ, and over time, people with high IQ will become creative and they'll solve the problems around them lifting themselves out of poverty naturally.
01:16:54.000So I want to I want to share I share with you guys this clip from that that's MSNBC.
01:16:59.000This is this, of course, is before they knew that uh he had died, but I want to show you this.
01:17:09.000And I think that's the environment we're in that that people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.
01:17:20.000And that's the fortunate line hearing for his own.
01:17:23.000I Turning Point USA has confirmed that he was shot.
01:17:27.000Um and there are a number of the You can't uh say these awful things and not expect an awful reaction.
01:17:35.000So MSNBC issued a statement during our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate and sensitive and acceptable.
01:17:45.000He apologized for his statements, as has he.
01:17:47.000There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise.
01:17:53.000It is it's funny that they're now issuing these these apologies, but the entire time that MSNBC lied and claimed that Trump was a spy of a foreign country, that his supporters were white supremacists that have bubbled up to this degree, they only now, after years of pushing this, say, oops, about one thing one guy said that uh today.
01:18:20.000And they've pushed this same rhetoric day in, day out.
01:18:26.000Almost every single one of their on-air personalities has been pushing this day in and day out.
01:18:34.000And they will swear up and down that the right are guilty of stochastic terrorism, while they have done everything they can to demonize everyone on the right.
01:18:45.000Again, Charlie Kirk, who is very milked, average everyday Republican, not extreme in any way, and they will call him all of these horrible things because he has opinions that are different to theirs.
01:19:01.000And it's it's it's unconscionable that this is a continu that they continue to do it because they're gonna do it tomorrow.
01:19:10.000Like I wish they would, but the same people are gonna make the same comments tomorrow.
01:19:15.000There's this, there's you see it on X all the time.
01:19:19.000The it is the the only silver lining that I see is most of our politicians, most of the Democrat politicians have had reasonable responses.
01:20:36.000It has 15 million views, 15,800 retweets, reposts, in which a Democratic socialist celebrates the death of Charlie, says it's good, advocates for more.
01:20:50.000And my concern is this this sentiment celebrating it.
01:20:59.000As y'all were Pointing out earlier that they're going to, when they find out who this shooter is, he may they're they're gonna make him a millionaire.
01:21:07.000They're gonna give him he's he's he's he's gonna want for nothing.
01:21:09.000They're gonna celebrate him like some kind of hero.
01:21:10.000This is I went to Northern Ireland, and they have the peace wall.
01:21:18.000On one side is pro-Israel, and the other side is pro-Palestine.
01:21:21.000And I asked one of the guys, one of the locals, how does that make sense?
01:22:30.000They only know what was told of them by another psychopath about Charlie, which is likely incorrect.
01:22:35.000This leads them to radicalization, where they then go and kill a good man.
01:22:40.000I'm not the only one who deals with this.
01:22:42.000Other prominent personalities deal with this.
01:22:45.000But we recently started working with a guy who said when people found out he was working with with us, they started saying that, oh, you gotta watch out for Tim Poole because he does this, that, this, and otherwise, and saying things about me that were just completely false.
01:23:20.000Back in the day, if you saw, if there was like a neo-Nazi guy, literally with tattoos, walking around causing problems, people in the community would be like, hey man, we don't want you around here.
01:23:44.000There was a man who showed up to a patriot prayer event several years ago in Portland, screaming the N-word and throwing up Hitler salutes.
01:23:50.000And the Patriot Prayer kicked him out.
01:23:54.000We don't want violent racists coming in here.
01:23:57.000That feeling you get when you're confronted by a psychopath, that feeling that you understand of why you would not want to associate with that person.
01:24:07.000These radicalized leftists are told that about you, about me, about Ian, about Libby, about Phil.
01:24:13.000So imagine the most vile person you can think of that you would not want to associate with.
01:24:18.000The left genuinely genuinely believes you are that.
01:24:22.000And when you go to them and say, You're not a white supremacist and you actually don't like white supremacy, they're also trained.
01:24:35.000Charlie Kirk is killed by these radicals, and on X right now, all of these viral posts are lying about who he is and using it to justify why they did what they did.
01:25:25.000I'm unsettled by how unfortunately true it is, So it seems uh that the difference a disenfranchised lunatic could make a motivated person, a person who's motivated and armed, how much damage they could do.
01:25:42.000Um it was proven with the guy who got um a target on the president.
01:25:47.000Um, you know, we've been seeing this with Luigi Magioni, we've been seeing this with the embassy workers, um, the Israeli embassy workers in DC.
01:25:55.000Uh, we've been seeing attacks on Steve Scalise, that was quite a while ago.
01:26:00.000But you know, the damage one motivated person can do is so detrimental to the fabric of our society.
01:26:09.000Um, I feel like this will inevitably lead to more political violence.
01:26:13.000Well on the the point of political violence, right?
01:26:19.000We should not endorse political violence from individuals, but it's worth noting Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the office of the president, and the government has a monopoly on violence.
01:26:42.000The government, the government, the government, well, they do, yes.
01:27:06.000You're just trying to distract what I'm saying with BS.
01:27:09.000The government has a monopoly on violence.
01:27:11.000Okay, that's not actually in question.
01:27:13.000Whether or not they execute it or use it, that's that that depends on whether or not the president or the Congress or the DOJ will do their duty.
01:27:25.000The point that I'm trying to make is while the conservatives have control of the government, they need to exercise power in whatever ways they can.
01:27:36.000So I don't see a problem with actually trying to use the government to punish people that are engaging in inflammatory rhetoric because they're trying to incite violence, right?
01:27:49.000If you're out here, if you're out here saying, Oh, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi.
01:27:54.000The point of that, the intent, the reason they're saying it is because they want to incite this type of behavior.
01:28:05.000So maybe the government should start saying, unless you actually have some kind of evidence that someone's a Nazi, maybe the government should go and say, you're actually by calling people Nazi all the time, you're trying to incite violence, and we're gonna arrest you.
01:28:41.000I'm not happy with how this played out, obviously, but like I don't think there's a clear-cut solution.
01:28:46.000I don't think there's a clear-cut solution for the government to play here.
01:28:50.000I don't think the government could play uh have a clear solution here again when you have a motivated deranged individual who wants to kill somebody with a firearm.
01:28:58.000We have the second amendment in this country not talking about taking anyone's firearm, no one's right away.
01:29:03.000No, but Phil, I'm trying to explain that I I got I don't think the government could do anything here given the freedoms of our country and the motivations of a deranged lunatic.
01:29:12.000Perhaps it's illegal to punch a Nazi is incitement to violence.
01:29:16.000You're not seriously advocating that we make it illegal to say punch a Nazi.
01:29:57.000We've been getting time and place, right?
01:29:59.000Like when I go out to when I go out to pro when I've gone out to protest and covered stuff, and when I've gone out to protest to speak up for women, right?
01:30:06.000And you have people there going, punch a turf, and like I'm gonna get you layering it.
01:30:15.000The left has successfully navigated our legal system to destroy us every step of the way.
01:30:20.000So you will get 100 people in on one side of the street screaming, punch a Nazi, which they know is protected, and the other side will point at a lot and say, That's the Nazi.
01:30:30.000Neither of them have spoken the single singular thing.
01:30:33.000And then they are they are telling everybody without saying it individually.
01:30:37.000And we saw this in action in 2017 at Trump's first inauguration, when they instructed everybody, these these direct action far left groups to wear all black masks, jeans, hoodies, et cetera, show up in DC and engage in acts of violence.
01:30:52.000They set a limousine on fire, they set fires in the street, they smashed windows, they attacked people, they flipped garbage cans.
01:30:57.000And when the police arrested the group surrounding them all, that group filed a lawsuit against the government and won.
01:31:06.000Because in the courts, our liberal, beautiful justice system, despite looking in the eyes of all of these people they knew intentionally wore these clothes and brought weapons and damaged and destroyed, they said, our legal system requires you prove the individual did it.
01:31:25.000And when the police officer would say, I saw that guy do it, and I grabbed him and I arrested him, they would just simply say to the judge of the jury, how many other people there were wearing the exact same clothes?
01:31:48.000So it is now no it is no longer beyond a reasonable doubt.
01:31:51.000In fact, it's hard to know whether or not the cop was right when he said he grabbed the right guy, because too many people are wearing the same clothes.
01:31:56.000So the government said, charge them with conspiracy.
01:31:59.000They did this intentionally together to cover up the crimes committed by the people in their group who intended to engage in violence, and they failed.
01:32:08.000Then, because of the arrest, the organiz the organizers, and I think it might was probably like the ACLU or lawyers, one of these liberal organizations, press organizations, sued the city they want to think it was a million dollars.
01:32:35.000And there's no there's no there's no simple solution.
01:32:38.000This is why there is weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, because there will come a time when a culture begins to break down.
01:32:49.000Everything we're describing is a bifurcation of American culture where one side says we must destroy the other.
01:32:54.000The other side says, please leave me alone, or slow down their democrats.
01:32:59.000They are actively working through our legal system, breaking it at every step, knowing how to exploit it, and we sit back and say there's nothing we can do about it.
01:33:07.000Because the reality is, if we decide you can't call people Nazis, the people over there that are screaming punch a Nazi, you know what, we're gonna arrest you now because it is incitement.
01:33:15.000The people over there saying those are Nazis, we're gonna call that incitement.
01:33:18.000They're gonna clap and cheer because they've won.
01:33:20.000They've destroyed our form of government, they've proved that we can't make it work.
01:33:26.000So so the reaction then is national guard goes on the streets and we are in the worst place imaginable, but at least they're not shooting us anymore.
01:33:33.000Well, I mean, that is better than people shooting us or getting into gunfights, right?
01:33:38.000Like the the if the option is you have you have to use the authority in the government.
01:33:50.000No, well, if the option, if the option is that the power that the government has cannot be exercised, then there is then there you're leaving people with no other recourse other than to take the law into their own hands.
01:34:04.000That and that's not what we want to see.
01:34:06.000We don't want to go in either direction of anarcho-tyranny or tyranny.
01:34:09.000And so the argument right now is Trump should deploy the National Guard to stop crime, and it is horrifying that he has to.
01:34:17.000The ACLU press release, April 26th, 2021, DC to pay 1.6 million dollars to settle claims from 2017 inauguration day demonstrators.
01:34:32.000I got released because while I was in this group of largely violent far left extremists, journalists who were in there screaming at the cops at the top of their lungs and spinning on them, in advertis, not intentionally spitting, but like they're screaming in spits flying out.
01:36:15.000And that's what we're dealing with right now.
01:36:18.000Secretary of State Gray, what do you think about all this stuff?
01:36:21.000How are we supposed to handle cases like this?
01:36:24.000Well, I think you know, for one, I think Charlie, what he did with the debate on the college campuses.
01:36:33.000I understand what you're saying about live events earlier, Tim.
01:36:36.000But what you talked about very eloquently about your show, the audience you have, the audience Charlie had with this show, which we had on our stations in Wyoming, because we have stations and we syndicated his show for uh on on those on those AM stations.
01:36:55.000That is a big part of uh, you know, the answer in in terms of getting our arguments out there.
01:37:02.000And and I think the other thing too that's really important to emphasize is you know, Charlie was a was a person that really believed in in history and legacy and our country.
01:37:15.000Like I I think back to one of the other events that he did in uh with the Republican Party, and Lynn Frees, Foster Freeze, Lynn Freeze's husband was one of the first donors, the first donor to Turning Point, and uh was heavily involved in providing, you know, uh the capital and the resources to to get Charlie's idea off the ground.
01:37:45.000And uh to raise funds for the party, there was an auction for Foster's uh desk.
01:37:53.000And Charlie was there, he gave the speech at that event, and he said, That's the desk where Foster told me that uh turning point uh that he was gonna help fund turning point to get it off the ground.
01:38:09.000And he uh bid on that auction item and uh took that item home.
01:38:17.000And it it showed me, you know, one of the things I I really think uh driving out here thinking about Charlie is is how much he really believed in legacy and and history and uh the foundations of our country.
01:38:34.000He wants our country to succeed, and and we have to make sure as we evaluate these issues that you know we think about it uh in terms of of that lens, that vein.
01:38:48.000Yeah, I I don't see a lot of success in the future.
01:38:58.000They killed the guy that was beating them at the argument.
01:39:03.000And if you can't actually have a conversation without you know ending up dying on stage, you're you're there's not a lot of room, there's not a lot of direction left you can go.
01:39:19.000A lot of this I remember uh uh a lot of that aspect of um not being able to talk to someone because you disagree with them.
01:39:27.000I remember that distinctly starting in the 90s when I was in high school and then in college, um, and there was this idea that if you disagreed with somebody, or if somebody disagreed with you, right, and you thought that that person who disagreed with you was on the wrong side of history, right?
01:39:49.000Yes, was on the wrong side of history, then you could say, stop.
01:39:52.000I don't even need to talk to you anymore because you are a racist, you're homophobic, you're whatever, eventually you're transphobic, right?
01:40:00.000And so there was this idea that you don't even have to engage the other side of your argument if you can just blanketly say that argument is not worth having because your perspective is wrong.
01:40:12.000And I I remember this perspective coming from friends' parents, right?
01:40:18.000From friends, from um other students, from professors.
01:40:22.000There was this idea of like, I don't have to talk to you.
01:40:26.000I have now decided that you are ex-ist problem.
01:41:03.000And what I want to mention about these live events is one of the fears that we've we've talked about quite a bit is that uh uh that shot heard round the world moment, there are a lot of leftists that are sitting there itching to pull a trigger with this moment, we are now seeing them saying it's on, this is it.
01:41:37.000The threat has increased exponentially.
01:41:40.000If if you understand what I'm trying to say, right?
01:41:43.000When this group believes that there's no resistance, they just stay at home.
01:41:52.000With these videos that are going massively viral and they have tens of millions of views, they're all basically saying, it started, go do it now to each other.
01:42:02.000Which means the risk factor at all these events is probably 100fold.
01:42:07.000Do you see Baron Trump moved back to DC?
01:42:10.000He's finishing college by living and living in the White House.
01:42:14.000I think it's important not to underestimate the amount of vitriol that far leftists have for the average conservative, and that they you think you are generally um genuinely irredeemable, genuinely deplorable, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, same genocide supporter.
01:42:33.000They they wholeheartedly believe that though, and uh to a degree that dehumanizes the average conservative uh that mindset is I I I think we really need to internalize them actually thinking that though.
01:42:48.000Well, you know, I think to that point, it is worth noting that yeah, you're right.
01:42:54.000That's that that to be honest with you, that should be obvious to everyone.
01:42:58.000But these attitudes are prevalent enough among the left where I think that people need to also remember that should they get and I've said this before, should they get back into positions of power, they are a threat to every conservative, right?
01:43:15.000The idea that they were they will that democrats will take control of the office of the executive and the house, and they won't use the Justice Department to go after conservatives, they absolutely will.
01:43:29.000I don't even think that's the way that's the same.
01:43:30.000And that is that is something what it the we're back in an era of political violence, not on the level of the government, but on the level of the vigilante.
01:43:38.000No, but if the if the if the Democrats take the House again or take the House and the and the office of the executive, then the people the people.
01:43:49.000Yeah, well, yeah, the people on the street will feel empowered because the government won't prosecute them.
01:43:54.000Like the problem that Tim just laid out, right?
01:43:56.000Where DAs and judges will not actually do things to prevent crime.
01:44:02.000They will not use any kind of authority that they have to prevent crime.
01:44:07.000That's only going to be exacerbated when the republic when the Democrats take back the positions of federal authority.
01:44:54.000Trump's authority has silenced the, and you know when people get silenced, the voice of the unheard, you know what the voice of the unheard is, so they say violence.
01:45:05.000The issue is Trump has been effective in shutting down the far left extremists, sending in the National Guard, these ice raids as people had voted for, and the left is doing exactly what we all thought was going to happen a year ago.
01:45:19.000When we on this show said Donald Trump will use the National Guard.
01:47:24.000Um I see, I don't want to blame the Chinese for everything.
01:47:28.000But when you say leftism, I think of communism, and then I think of stalwart CCP would love nothing more than to see their greatest enemy kill itself.
01:47:37.000And and if you could incite that by getting one side of that country to hate the other side, ooh, what a win for you, because then they don't even know you did it.
01:54:24.000I feel hurt and alone beyond belief because nobody cares around me.
01:54:31.000I I I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call for my my liberal friends.
01:54:36.000I've I've I've got people that I've known for decades, and we still talk periodically, but they post these ish lib memes all the time that's just fake, and I'm constantly hitting up being like that's not real.
01:54:47.000And I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call.
01:54:53.000I I, you know, I there was a post about Hassan.
01:54:56.000I think it was from the New York Times.
01:55:27.000I got issues with Hassan for sure, but I've we've looked at his YouTube channel and I've defended it.
01:55:32.000Because as much as I don't agree with his views and I think they're ill-informed, his channel is actually just a collection of the news story similar to what we do, but with bad views.
01:56:45.000You could if you're a communist and you're not advocating that we go around committing violence against each other, then all I have to do is argue against you.
01:57:49.000We have people come on this show and say things where, like, if you really were on the left and you believed this, then you would go do this thing.
01:57:59.000And they're like, well, I was saying hypothetically, and I'm like, there are leftists who see this show, and you just told them to be violent.
01:58:05.000Like it, it's the a cult of cult of violence is cult to violence.
01:59:00.000I've been studying a lot about the American Civil War.
01:59:02.000It would be a different type of thing completely.
01:59:04.000It would be like uh a dismantling of the United States by eight different countries, corporations, local communities.
01:59:13.000It would be like finding your cousin in a landfill with his arms tied behind his back by with piano wire and drill holes in his thighs.
01:59:24.000It would be like what goes on in Mexico.
01:59:27.000It would be heads on the side of roads.
01:59:29.000Probably like the water would be, it wouldn't be a it wouldn't be armed factions the way like you know, people fighting the way that you think about armed like what war now.
01:59:41.000It would be so it would be chaotic, it would be brutal.
01:59:46.000It is not at all what people think it is.
01:59:50.000I mean, I think in a lot, and and us being like, well, we have to attack them in the school, we have to blow up the school because they're harboring terrorists and all this bull.
02:00:01.000The one one of my friends asked me today.
02:00:04.000We were sitting down, and this was still in the midst of not knowing what had happened to Charlie, and uh I wanted everything just to believe that he was okay.
02:00:14.000And I got sent one of the videos, and within looking at the first frame, I threw my phone and started crying because I knew, even though I didn't want to believe it, I didn't I didn't know for sure, but I mean you knew.
02:00:25.000And my friend said this could lead to civil war.
02:01:12.000It looks like a car pulls in and a bunch of guys with guns jump out, and it's a shopping district, and you're just buying some some melons, and you look around, they run in, start grabbing a bunch of stuff, throwing it in the truck, they shoot a bunch of people, get in their truck and leave.
02:02:23.000You'll hear on the news that certain roads, freeways from the south had been bombed.
02:02:27.000And you'll be like, yeah, the trucks can't get through.
02:02:30.000But your grains and your stable products that are manufactured in your region probably will still be there, but the prices will go up a little bit.
02:02:52.000And my question is always do you think that in Atlanta in 1863, a guy walked out of his house and his neighbor looked at him and said they would ooh, I'm gonna fight you.
02:03:26.000When the far left took over the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, they called it, a handful of people died because they were paranoid and panicked and shot them up.
02:03:50.000Because some kids were in a vehicle, they were joyriding teenagers.
02:03:54.000Someone spread a rumor that they were white supremacists, so the armed Chaz guards unloaded on them and killed them without investigating, without knowing.
02:04:28.000But based on what the left is saying, we have two major considerations.
02:04:35.000The deployment of the National Guard and military, ice raids across the country, that is federal military and law enforcement action to a greater degree than seen in the past 10, 20 years.
02:04:49.000The assassination of Charlie Kirk and the rhetoric on the left calling for war within the same day.
02:04:56.000If the left decides to take action and we start seeing these armed groups like Chess Chop pop up and they say it's time to fight back against IC, the only question then becomes when we collectively just think, yeah, maybe it's a civil war.
02:05:12.000And what is a what is a civil war look like, if not the violent leftists versus the law enforcement, you know?
02:05:19.000And it's not necessarily local government, but but take a look right now at the crime in Chicago, and Trump says we want to send the National Guard, and Pritzker says no.
02:05:25.000It's exactly what we said last year on this show that Trump would try to deploy the National Guard, the blue states would say no, and we already saw the conflict with Newsom trying to seize, take command of the National Guard from Trump.
02:06:16.000It started with with a dozen or so factions.
02:06:18.000They were different factions that were not aligned politically.
02:06:21.000They didn't organize with each other versus the government.
02:06:24.000And their argument was the government was shooting and killing protesters.
02:06:28.000The government argued they were terrorists that were inciting destabilization of the country.
02:06:32.000After a long enough period of destabilization, ISIS, El Nursra, and other groups started to force these people to join them or die, creating a power structure under one umbrella, which created ISIS over the whole region.
02:07:02.000Yeah, there's a lot of people that when they hear, oh, you know, the US made ISIS or whatever, they think that like it was the United States trying to create this group.
02:07:11.000These people already had these ideas and they had these desires.
02:08:08.000But today, he is going to be discussing one of i i the most consequential story of our generation, maybe of the past fifty years.
02:08:19.000On par with some of the most pressing stories of the past century.
02:08:22.000He'll be discussing the Charlie Kirk story.
02:08:24.000So we are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show at Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
02:08:30.000But uh for those of you that are that are uh watching on YouTube and uh the non-premium rumble, I encourage you to to s to subscribe to Tales from the Inverted World and hear Shane out as he as he discusses you know his thoughts on this.
02:08:43.000He wasn't here to talk with us about it, but he's gonna be doing his show now.
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02:08:52.000Uh yeah, uh you want to shout anything out?
02:13:41.000One of the more fucked up aspects of the whole thing of how this not a whole thing of how this came about, but the way that we learned of this was like this slow drip of like videos of him being murdered popping up on Twitter and just being unavoidable.
02:14:00.000And it's just oh, new angle, here's a new angle, here's a new angle.
02:14:05.000And it's like people trying to analyze each pixel of the bullet going through his shirt or his neck, or it's this, and everybody's kind of playing like you know, armchair doctor.
02:14:18.000And it all just felt so fucking morbid and shitty and fucking gross getting obviously, but like over the course of an hour or so, as people were getting new information.
02:14:29.000Tim, how'd you you found out through obviously social media?
02:14:36.000I we had we had gotten in the in and uh the the crew was uh were surging them or setting up all the new cameras and stream setups, we're doing these skateboarding events.
02:14:55.000Chuck has got to get out of here for obvious reasons, political and but uh yeah, so when I wrap the show, surge and the crew are gearing up to do the uh uh we're we're we're prepping, we're doing these live skateboarding events.
02:15:52.000I was we were driving and we were talking about, yeah, so we're gonna be doing this with the show, and like, you know, what let's go to this restaurant, I'll let him know.
02:16:00.000And then uh I looked online and I saw everything.
02:16:03.000And this was again people it was right right at that point, it was just witness statements.
02:16:08.000I saw this, I saw that, we didn't know for sure.
02:16:10.000And I saw a report that said shots fired at Charlie Kirk event, and I was like, okay.
02:16:56.000I had thought at first it was a handgun because the initial report was that a guy in the crowd was yelling about trans people and then shot him.
02:17:03.000And uh, I was like, I think that's probably like handgun, likely nine millimeter, depending on where he got heat, he might be okay.
02:17:12.000Luke hits me up and said, and and and he's like, I don't think this is survivable.
02:17:17.000And then I immediately called him and I was like, Why are you saying that?
02:17:26.000And he's like, I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'll send you the video.
02:17:30.000And I was sitting down at a restaurant and I picked up my phone and I pressed the button to look at the message, and I only needed to see a single frame, and I dropped the phone and I started crying.
02:17:42.000Because I didn't you you didn't need to see the video.
02:20:05.000However, there were the conversations that happened in between was just please understand they're telling me stable doesn't mean he's going to make it.
02:20:14.000Stable means right now they have him stable.
02:20:41.000And so I just, you know, the challenging thing is.
02:20:45.000If this was a politician this happened to, someone I didn't know, and I got a phone call, and they were like, representative so and so is confirmed.
02:21:27.000Yeah, before we do, uh yeah, let's go to callers.
02:21:29.000I've just been thinking about like what's the point.
02:21:31.000I think this like what is really the point of all this thing, this life stuff, like other than just making it good.
02:21:38.000I don't know what the point really is.
02:21:40.000We are in a constant battle of good and evil, and there are evil people seeking to destroy, and good people are trying to protect and create.
02:21:48.000And then the evil people win and call, say tell everyone they were the good guys, and then they sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.
02:21:56.000And it's an eternal struggle that we will not.
02:21:59.000I th I think goodness has prevailed over the long period of time, gradually.
02:22:03.000I've been thinking that lately, the how far humanity has come that we can hang out on a phone call with our friends in England or in China, like a video chat.
02:22:10.000Yeah, I mean, it's not it's not really about any of that, right?
02:22:13.000I mean, I um so today, as all this was happening, and I was completely unwilling to believe that you know Charlie had passed from this injury.
02:22:25.000Um, I was I was here with Mary and Tate, and we were about to do pop culture crisis, and I came in, they said Charlie had been shot, and um I reached out to a friend of mine who would know, and I asked, is Charlie okay?
02:22:42.000Um, so and you know, and Tate was also talking to some people who would know, and they were uh pretty clear that this was not gonna work out.
02:23:02.000Yeah, and then you know, Mary basically reported the news of what happened and said, We're you know, we're not gonna do the show and joke about memes today.
02:23:12.000Um then afterwards we just all were like sitting for like a half hour looking at the internet, trying to figure out what was going on.
02:23:21.000Um, and then I did the only thing that to me I could do that would be of any use.
02:23:27.000And I went over to my church and I lit ten candles because in the Catholic faith, you light candles and you say prayers because a lot of what you do is about the tradition that goes back like a thousand years or something.
02:23:41.000Um, and that, you know, I walked into the church and it was pretty empty.
02:23:49.000A lot of the um catechism classes were going on, but they're downstairs.
02:23:53.000So the the church was empty, pretty much empty, except for the smell of incense, which in a Catholic church, it's like incense is supposed to raise your spirit closer to God, right?
02:24:05.000A lot of what Catholic Catholic traditions are about are um extinguishing your rational thought so that you can bring your spirit closer to God.
02:24:14.000And there's the rational stuff too, but whatever.
02:24:17.000I want uh But so I I lit ten candles and I said prayers and I was in tears, and I was I was leaving.
02:24:24.000I walked out and there were some women talking amongst themselves, and I walked out, and then I thought um I felt like I was called to go back in and speak with these women, and I went over to them.
02:24:39.000Um I went over to them and I said, uh, hey, can can you pray can you pray for my friend, my friend Charlie was just shot.
02:25:55.000It's difficult because I'm very heady.
02:25:59.000It's difficult, but it's so necessary to find that communion with what is bigger than us, and what is bigger than us is God in the universe, and God in the universe is the only thing that can keeping God in your heart is the only thing that can protect us from what is demonic and seeks to destroy us.
02:26:18.000So uh as I mentioned earlier that our team was getting death threats, it's now reporting that high profile conservatives are getting death threats following the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
02:26:27.000And uh I'm being warned to contact the FBI directly should we get any any information or sounds like terrorism, like that's so I I think that's a good good move.
02:27:13.000I mean, obviously I wasn't expecting this.
02:27:16.000I mean, I've had a little bit of I guess dark humor.
02:27:20.000I was wanting to tweet yesterday about asking 2025 to just calm down with the NATO bombings and Qatar and everything, and then I wake up in the middle of the day and this fucking happens.
02:27:42.000Um, so I was wondering, because I've always tried to s say I'm sure many people are like this, um, of just taking the high road and not being or stooping to the level of political violence, but killing Charlie Kirk, one of the few people the most prominent.
02:28:04.000I mean, he was 31, he was probably destined for higher office if he if he decided to killing him and like that in such a way, just even though we don't know who the shooter is and the motives, the reaction that's been coming from the left just removes any willingness to debate, coexist.
02:28:29.000I want to see people suffer for cheering this on.
02:28:33.000I want I don't want to see anyone killed, but I want to see them humiliated and dragged through the streets publicly and just lose everything because apparent it it feels like to me the only language that they respect is violence.
02:28:48.000And if that's the case, then I guess we need to start speaking it better than they do.
02:29:53.000I mean, the Canadian border is completely unguarded, so we could cross theoretically until just like a wild forest or something.
02:30:01.000Just remember too, like we've all been exposed to a lot of death and evil the last few days.
02:30:07.000Um so while your reaction is very natural, and I'd be lying if I didn't feel a bit of that as well.
02:30:14.000Um we just have to check our souls as well.
02:30:17.000I think our souls have been corroded quite extensively the last few days.
02:30:21.000Um we have to keep that in mind as well.
02:30:27.000So I mean, like how half the people like most prominent Democrats and progressive influencers are calling this out as an atrocity.
02:30:39.000But part of the cynical side of me is wondering, are you saying this just because you mean it, or because you act you don't want to catch any flack because you know it's the only acceptable thing you can say, and you don't want to be a target for any retribution.
02:30:52.000Yeah, I was doing that too, questioning the allegiance of their honesty.
02:30:55.000I'm like, I look everybody in the space that speaks out, like anytime you make a public statement and you that gets any attention, you're on some level a target.
02:31:11.000Like, so if you're you know, the people that are on the show regularly, that people that write for conservative outlets, um we were all targets to some degree.
02:31:24.000Obviously, the more the more high profile you are, the more likely it is that someone will target you.
02:31:30.000Like it's not as likely that someone will target me as it is someone trying to target Tim, right?
02:31:59.000So it it's it's always a a thing you have to that you have to worry about, especially you know everybody around here knows that we are in an extremely uh hostile politically charged environment.
02:32:41.000I hope there's some young, there's some teenager who's watching all of this who wakes up tomorrow and starts doing push-ups, puts a chip put has a has a picture of turning point with Charlie on his wall, and every day he looks at it and he works as hard as he can, and he decides to carry that torch, but you know what?
02:32:59.000I hope a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand kids all decide they want to they want to carry Charlie's mantle, and in five years we have ten thousand Charlie Kirks.
02:34:05.000Yeah, normally these people like figure on getting taken out after they you know accomplish their deed, whatever it happens to be, you know.
02:34:56.000Um up my question is uh you think this is the transfer man moment.
02:35:04.000I I honestly scares me how much the left is rallying around it.
02:35:11.000I would have thought it would have been the right, but they really are the party of shoot people you disagree with.
02:35:17.000The the point I'd been making on the show, I'll I'll try and say a little bit more, I mean uncensored portion.
02:35:22.000The left was waiting for the starting pistol.
02:35:26.000They're all sitting there with guns in their hands saying they want to kill people on the right, but nobody knows if they're gonna be the one weirdo who gets who runs out, shoots somebody and is just a mass shooter.
02:35:35.000With the assassination of Kirk, my fear is that these individuals are now not mass shooters.
02:35:42.000If a if a lunatic antifa guy three months ago went to a went to a crowd of conservatives and shot people, he's another lunatic mass shirter.
02:35:50.000They're gonna say he was a lunatic, and his and his words mean nothing.
02:35:54.000With the assassination of Kirk, if these individuals go out, it will be called civil war, it will be called insurgency, and their actions will be lumped together as a political movement.
02:36:06.000So I'm not saying they consider this and they're sitting there thinking this.
02:36:09.000What they're actually thinking is, is it on?
02:36:26.000And it's how how does that response actually manifest?
02:36:31.000That's that's the scarier part for the city.
02:36:34.000That manifests as in the DOJ and the well, actually, all of the authority of the federal government finding and stamping out the problem.
02:36:47.000Right now is is now I've said this before, now is when if there's going to be something like that to happen, now is when we want it to happen, because the conservatives are in control of the largest, most powerful government in human history.
02:37:07.000Better it happened now than in ten years when there's Democrats that are in control of the largest, most powerful government in human history.
02:37:19.000Bro, the comment someone someone in chat said the young Turk's comments are fucked.
02:37:59.000Some of them really be that some of them want to freak you out.
02:38:01.000Elizabeth Warren, Senator Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts, was asked about um people saying Democrats need to tone down their rhetoric, and she said, Oh, please, why don't you start with the president of the United States?
02:38:13.000Yeah, because bottom comments is not a bot.
02:38:14.000She's Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts.
02:39:21.000They want violence because they believe that all of the things that make the West, the what make the West the West, are have been achieved through theft and through exploitation and by hurting the indigenous populations.
02:39:41.000They have no historical context to their to their ideology.
02:40:08.000This video was posted 20 hours ago, yesterday, by Black Lives Matter in response to the narrative about the assassination of Arena Zarutka.
02:42:00.000Uh my question for you guys is how do we just like continue to discuss civilly with people of the left when they just assassinated the guy that did the best?
02:42:13.000Or you're talking about Dowd getting fired?
02:42:24.000Well, the to answer your question of how is one a case-by-case basis, treat everybody like individual humans when you meet them and give them respect that you want to be given.
02:42:52.000It's one thing when somebody wants to come on the show because they want to argue tax policy.
02:42:57.000It's another thing when someone is assassinated, someone who is a friend of ours, and the response is Trump was bad for condemning the violence.
02:43:50.000Every president has speech writers, and you have somebody who's a writer who can write in your voice, and you work with them to get something together that works for you.
02:44:29.000Well, so you know, to the question, I guess.
02:44:32.000This is this is the big challenge in will will what will we see from the from the left?
02:44:41.000Are the liberal types going to break away and be like we don't have anything to do with this?
02:44:45.000Will the radical left get boxed out because they they're nuts, or will regular liberals be like fascist?
02:44:53.000Well, here's here's here's my thought on it is I I have this friend who well, he's not really a friend anymore because he's he's way radicalized.
02:45:02.000He just interviewed at a nonprofit in Chicago to help uh immigrants and be a ice radar.
02:45:11.000So if an ICE if ICE is spotted anywhere in Chicago, he's supposed to notify his nonprofit, and he's been posting like, yay, Charlie Kirk's dead, and all this other crazy shit.
02:45:27.000And it's like, how do you how do you have a civil discussion with someone when they're that far gone?
02:45:35.000You gotta be com confident in you you and who you are, and you walk into that room with that confidence, that will help you debate anybody.
02:45:43.000Yeah, but you the there's no if if they're going to respond the way that he's talking about, there's the you can't have a dialogue with them.
02:45:51.000But there's you're just talking to a person that's having a conniption fit.
02:45:55.000I wanna I wanna I want to show this image real quick.
02:45:58.000You don't know how they're gonna respond as much.
02:46:00.000This is a woman on TikTok who who wrote, when you've been manifesting it to happen, but it ends up happening to Charlie Kirk.
02:46:06.000What y'all need to understand is there are people that loved Charlie Kirk, and they don't view themselves as important.
02:46:13.000Rudyard pointed out that there are many young men who feel like they have no purpose, that their lives are meaningless, and when you have societies with large amounts of these young men, you get revolutions in civil war.
02:46:26.000My fear right now is that this woman who is known by some of these men will be murdered brutally and mercilessly.
02:46:34.000And he's going to just say, I'm no one, I'm nothing, and my life is forfeit, but you deserve this.
02:46:40.000And if it's this is the problem of escalation.
02:46:43.000There is uh uh this is this is from a post about the Spanish Civil War.
02:46:49.000On the final day before the Spanish Civil War broke out, the head of Spain's right wing political coalition warned on the floor of parliament.
02:46:55.000The left had pushed the nation past its breaking point.
02:46:58.000He read off dozens of calls in leftist newspapers for the right to be subject to extermination and ended his speech with the following prophecy.
02:47:04.000The day will come when the violence you have unleashed will be turned against you.
02:47:08.000My fear is that for posts like this, there's going to be some guy who thinks he's nothing.
02:47:16.000He lives in a basement, he has no job, he's overweight, out of shape, and he has a gun.
02:48:00.000Is that yeah, I think I don't know which one, but it's because you have two two sides saying kill them, fuck them, they're evil, and the people who do it don't know or care why.
02:48:08.000They're just like, I fucking hate you, and they do it.
02:51:09.000Okay, my question is this kind of the big ask.
02:51:15.000The president's job is to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
02:51:19.000At this point, we have seen the result of Democrat policies in the cities and schools, persecution via the courts and by weaponized law enforcement.
02:51:27.000We've seen the political violence spurred on by the rhetoric of politicians and pundits alike, and finally the apologetics from the leftist mainstream media encouraging, whitewashing, excusing, and straight up calling for violence.
02:51:38.000Should we be, especially those with large platforms, making the big ask and calling for the president to go all in and recognize the Democrat Party and their nonprofit NGO corporate media allies to be the terrorist organization that they are?
02:51:51.000That's just basically saying, should Trump declare a civil war right now.
02:51:57.000What we want to happen is for the moderate Democrat types, people like my liberal friends to have a have a come to Jesus moment, lit figuratively or literally, and be like, I don't want, I don't want this, I don't want to be associated with it.
02:52:11.000These wacko leftists that are cheering for this need to be viewed as the villains they are.
02:52:16.000So we don't want Trump to say, Democrats, aha, we're coming for you.
02:52:20.000He needs to say, Democrats, we're with you.
02:52:22.000Let's condemn the violent leftists together.
02:52:27.000I don't think you can though, because I think they're entrenched.
02:52:48.000Yeah, I mean, I just I think until the until the funding's cut off and until these people uh get prosecutor charged for inciting violence, encouraging it, fomenting.
02:52:58.000Well, the I mean that I get, but to like to declare the Democrats and all NGOs or the NGOs that working with them as to be terrorist organizations would just be for Trump to come out and say civil war is now.
02:53:14.000I'm talking about the people at the head, the people with the money that are promoting this.
02:53:18.000I'm not talking about the underlings because that's that's what the desired result and starts arresting prominent Democrats, their fundraisers and politicians, you will have civil war in two seconds.
02:53:29.000The fastest way to get left the left to buy a bunch of guns and go start massacring people would be for Trump to arrest a prominent liberal uh fun donor.
02:53:37.000Yeah, we gotta work together to root out insane extreme leftism and rightism, whatever, extreme politicizations, we've got to root that shit out together.
02:53:46.000The problem with that though is the people that have been attacked have not been the extreme people.
02:54:18.000And you can't work with extremists when the extremists don't want to talk to you.
02:54:24.000Remember, the left are the group that says don't platform the right.
02:54:28.000The left are the people that say don't talk to people on the right.
02:54:31.000Don't even engage with people on the right, because then you're giving them credibility.
02:54:35.000It's the left that tells you to stop talking to your parents because they emotionally abused you by feeding you mac and cheese with Frank footers in it or something.
02:54:47.000I guess slowly or quickly, gradually, then suddenly, I kind of feel like I have no reason at this point to say that we are not headed towards a civil war or in one.
02:55:02.000Every step of the way, we have we have stated escalation seems like the probable next step.
02:55:29.000Now I will say Hassan's reaction, as it's been reported that he's very against this, he's very shocked by it.
02:55:36.000Could be that wake-up call where we could shun the extremists, and you're gonna get here's what I'm hoping.
02:55:43.000Prominent leftists and you know, lib streamers concerned about being arrested as high profile targets, just say, guys, we don't want or getting shot and killed.
02:57:01.000They won't be able to stand in the judgment.
02:57:02.000And so ultimately, that which is good will be glorified either by the testimony of the wicked or the testimony of those who uh live by faith.
02:57:12.000So um that's the that's the point of this.
02:57:32.000No, he's saying the right is is calling for the death of the left.
02:57:34.000He's just there is uh this video from TMZ I want to play.
02:57:38.000Live streaming all day during this this tragedy.
02:57:41.000Um when something happened in our office, uh, as we were reporting the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
02:57:51.000Um there were some people in the back room away from our news desk here who were watching a car chase, and they were laughing, they were clapping, and you could hear it out here.
02:58:05.000He's fucking and guys we want to make a couple of things clear.
02:58:10.000One is that I know these people, and they were not laughing, they were not reacting that way about Charlie Brooks.
02:58:20.000You expect me to believe that assassination.
02:58:22.000They were not, they would not work here if they did.
02:58:24.000And that being said, we acknowledge that it was horrible timing, and for that we are sorry.
02:58:31.000We apologize, we apologize, get it to hear that.
02:58:34.000And I get why if you're watching the stream, you may have felt that that's what the laughter was about.
02:58:57.000What matters is the leadership of TMZ said it shouldn't happen, it was bad.
02:59:02.000They wouldn't work here if that's what happened, and that means culturally, they're on our side, they're not on the left side, and this is what we want as many individuals to say it's not good and it shouldn't have happened, so I respect that.