Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Charlie Kirk Assassinated, Suspect In Custody | Timcast IRL

00:02:49.000 Today Charlie Kirk was assassinated at an event in Utah.

00:02:55.000 I'm sure most of you have already seen the news by now.

00:02:57.000 We've all been talking about it quite a bit.

00:02:59.000 The videos that emerge at a Utah are shocking.

00:03:02.000 There is some uh news.

00:03:03.000 The FBI states that they have a subject in custody.

00:03:06.000 We don't know exactly what this means or what's happening.

00:03:09.000 Videos have emerged that show an individual running across the rooftop at the event.

00:03:14.000 And uh Charlie Kirk has lost his life.

00:03:17.000 Donald Trump has issued a statement and has ordered flags, uh lowered to half staff.

00:03:23.000 There's some uh uh very respectful and honorable things that I've seen.

00:03:26.000 Uh the Yankees had a moment of silence for Charlie.

00:03:30.000 And there's a lot to talk about in the news.

00:03:33.000 What this means.

00:03:35.000 It is it almost feels completely unreal and unbelievable to have to do a show starting by saying that they k they killed Charlie Kirk.

00:03:48.000 Uh heck of a day to join us, Chuck.

00:03:52.000 Charlie Kirk was an icon.

00:03:54.000 He did so much in our country, did so much in Wyoming where I'm from.

00:03:59.000 I've been on the phone with Turning Point students all day from across Wyoming.

00:04:05.000 He just did an event in in late April at the University of Wyoming, and he spent three hours taking questions, debating, talking about the truth.

00:04:17.000 And he formed Turning Point USA to say we need to have a dialogue on college campuses.

00:04:26.000 He's talked about this so eloquently so many times.

00:04:29.000 That's why he he started it.

00:04:31.000 Do you want to just give a quick introduction?

00:04:33.000 Yeah, I'm Chuck Ray, the Wyoming Secretary of State, uh chief election official for the state of Wyoming, also serves as the second in command, the lieutenant governor in Wyoming, and uh really sad about today's events.

00:04:45.000 Thanks for joining.

00:04:46.000 Uh normally I tell the guests it's gonna be a fun one, but this is going to be a substantially more serious and uh painful one.

00:04:52.000 But uh Libby is here as well. 0.73

00:04:53.000 Yep, I'm Libby Emmons.

00:04:54.000 I'm um actually glad to be here among friends to talk about um Charlie's passing and to remember him.

00:05:02.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:05:04.000 A lot, Eliyahu, White House correspondent here at Timcast.

00:05:07.000 Ian.

00:05:08.000 Hey, I'm glad to be here.

00:05:09.000 Um Charlie was uh I only spent a couple times hanging out with him and did a couple shows with Charlie, but he's one of the greatest.

00:05:19.000 All right, let's move on, man.

00:05:20.000 Let's let's take this talk.

00:05:21.000 Hey, Phil.

00:05:22.000 How are you doing?

00:05:23.000 Uh my name is Philibante, I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, all that remains.

00:05:26.000 Let's get into it.

00:05:27.000 Behind Phil, we put up our autographed signed Charlie Kirk poster.

00:05:32.000 Uh several years ago, he joined us for a debate on Timcast IRL with the progressive leftist Vosh, and he signed it for us, and we put it up.

00:05:42.000 I uh where do we start?

00:05:46.000 Um Charlie was doing what Charlie always does.

00:05:48.000 He was doing events where he engages with college kids.

00:05:51.000 He allows anybody who wants to come and talk to him to talk to him.

00:05:54.000 He epitomized what these progressives and these liberals have long called for, which is democracy.

00:06:00.000 He said, Okay, we'll have the conversation, we'll have the debate.

00:06:04.000 That's all they ever did.

00:06:05.000 It was an above board organization.

00:06:07.000 It is turning point action and turning point USA as well as Turning Point UK and all of their affiliates are typical, on the level, proper filing, all the good stuff to function fairly and honorably in a democratic republican form of government.

00:06:24.000 And he got killed.

00:06:25.000 Now there is some information we that we can show you what's going on in social media.

00:06:30.000 Let me see if I can uh see if I can find this.

00:06:33.000 I don't even know if we should show some of these tweets.

00:06:35.000 I'm not going to show this one.

00:06:36.000 There's a tweet that people have surfaced where someone says that they hope something happens to Charlie, and then they followed up by saying something will happen tomorrow.

00:06:45.000 Who's who said that?

00:06:47.000 It's a it's an anonymous Twitter U uh X account.

00:06:49.000 I think they've found the person behind it.

00:06:52.000 Uh Cash as it has made a statement.

00:06:54.000 Now, you know, I'll pull this up from uh uh postmoneyal.

00:06:57.000 Suspect in Charlie Kirk assassination in the case.

00:06:59.000 There's actually been an update on that.

00:07:01.000 Um the article?

00:07:02.000 Uh no, the article hasn't been updated because I just got the update just now.

00:07:06.000 Cash Patel said the suspect in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement.

00:07:12.000 Our investigation continues, and we will continue to release information in interest of transparency.

00:07:18.000 So that's actually the uh the second suspect who has been released today.

00:07:22.000 They don't know who did it.

00:07:23.000 They have no idea.

00:07:25.000 Was it like 200 yards away from a building with a high-powered rifle?

00:07:29.000 They don't have to be a good idea.

00:07:30.000 There was something about people running across somebody running across a roof.

00:07:34.000 Um, but there's they don't have any idea who did this.

00:07:42.000 But it's I mean, if it was somebody on a roof, that's the same playbook as uh the attempt on Trump the president's life last summer, yeah.

00:07:51.000 It this is I don't this is I don't really okay.

00:07:53.000 I well, I'm just gonna say this.

00:07:55.000 I think that somebody was afraid who's the next Trump, and they thought it was Charlie.

00:07:59.000 Well, Charlie Charlie had a good shot of becoming president.

00:08:03.000 You know, I would have voted for him.

00:08:05.000 The odd thing about these suspects was that I was watching Fox News earlier, and there were actually multiple people who are interviewed live on Fox News who said the people in custody were not the right people.

00:08:14.000 Right.

00:08:15.000 And it it gave it a a really weird vibe immediately because you saw these videos going around of some bald old men saying, and he was saying you know, I I have a right to remain silent and whatnot, and you you you have to imagine there's no way that a person like this could could get away.

00:08:34.000 Uh there's just so many questions, Mark Mark's here.

00:08:37.000 So many people are are in shock.

00:08:39.000 Uh, Charlie Kirk was a guy who dedicated his life as early, I believe, in in high school, or even maybe before that, to conservatism and conservative politics.

00:08:47.000 And he was murdered while doing the things that he loved.

00:08:52.000 I I think the reason why this strikes so many um conservative commentators and politicos and whatnot, is because Charlie Kirk was so deeply in tune with so many different creators and journalists and right-wing media figures in the space.

00:09:07.000 I uh I I did a stream, I think around five o'clock.

00:09:11.000 Uh I wanted to I wanted to wait.

00:09:13.000 I'll try and just give you guys the quick breakdown of you know what was going out through the through the day uh on our end news wise.

00:09:20.000 You can imagine with the show that we do, we have sources, we have friends who work in the administration.

00:09:26.000 We are friends with Turning Point.

00:09:28.000 They have been just always so amazing to us.

00:09:31.000 They treat us like royalty.

00:09:32.000 I never knew why.

00:09:34.000 I was always just, you know, Charlie was always so good to us.

00:09:37.000 He made us feel like kings.

00:09:39.000 We uh for the past three years, we were on stage at Turning Point.

00:09:42.000 They brought us up there.

00:09:43.000 They took care of us to make sure we can get our team out there.

00:09:46.000 And I want to just say when we went out, when we do these trips, it's really hard because we have this regularly scheduled nightly show.

00:09:52.000 Charlie not only built us a temporary studio, he let us use his personal studio, but while it was being built, and he personally stayed late with us when all of his staff went home to make sure we were taken care of.

00:10:06.000 This man was so good to us.

00:10:08.000 It is hard to believe that this has happened.

00:10:11.000 And I'm I'm just so pissed off for a million and one reasons.

00:10:15.000 For all the obvious reasons everybody understands, there are many, many more people who have uh much more right to be angry than I, of course.

00:10:22.000 Some of my thoughts and my prayers are with his family and uh his friends and his organization.

00:10:28.000 And you know, just we're at their disposal, whatever they need, whatever we can do.

00:10:35.000 It's outrageous they don't have uh somebody maybe there's something going on behind the scene, but I mean, look, you had a you have a big crowd of people, and this is this is the thing about Trump.

00:10:44.000 This is the thing about Charlie.

00:10:46.000 These guys will walk up to you and shake your hand and they will say, Tell me what's up.

00:10:52.000 We just saw a video of Trump.

00:10:53.000 Pro-Palestine protesters called him Hitler, and Trump walked right up to him.

00:10:57.000 Why didn't they think people allowed to get so close to the president?

00:11:01.000 That has to stop.

00:11:02.000 That has to stop too.

00:11:03.000 But it is, and this worries me.

00:11:05.000 When the assassination on attempt on Trump was made, people pointed out that Trump intentionally doesn't like heavy security because he wants people to be able to talk to him.

00:11:15.000 When you're at Mar-a-Lago, that's like JFK.

00:11:18.000 Yeah.

00:11:19.000 When you're at Mar-a-Lago, we've been there a couple times.

00:11:22.000 You you walk right in.

00:11:24.000 I mean, if if if if you know you're not tag you, I mean, there's like a little bit of a.

00:11:29.000 When you when you walk in, if you're not dressed appropriately, they just say, Oh, how are you?

00:11:32.000 Can we help you?

00:11:33.000 Because there's a dress code here.

00:11:35.000 When we when we went there, and they said the president's gonna be having a dinner, and I I went and bought a suit.

00:11:40.000 People are like, Tim, what wear a suit for that.

00:11:40.000 I did.

00:11:42.000 I did buy a suit.

00:11:43.000 We walked right in.

00:11:44.000 You walk right in.

00:11:46.000 There's Speaker Mike Johnson in a room.

00:11:48.000 There was, I think Rob uh Blogoevich was there, and we saw Trump, and I walked right up, and Brusowitz was there, and he was like, Mr. President, I'd like you to meet.

00:11:57.000 I think this is actually before the election.

00:11:58.000 Was it before the election?

00:11:59.000 Yeah.

00:11:59.000 It was.

00:12:00.000 He said, uh, I wanted you to introduce you to Tim.

00:12:01.000 We should shook my hand.

00:12:02.000 There's no security.

00:12:03.000 It's like Secret Service is there, but they're, you know, in their designated locations.

00:12:07.000 And Charlie was very much like that.

00:12:10.000 He was doing these events, and he wanted to be accessible to the best of the to the best of his abilities.

00:12:16.000 That's why he goes out to these campuses and he sits there in a campus and says, Come and have a conversation with me.

00:12:24.000 Charlie won the debate, and that's why these people took his life because they had no response to someone who had so thoroughly won the debate.

00:12:32.000 Well, I mean.

00:12:34.000 So it's it's uh I mean it's a tough day for everybody, especially people that you know believe in what Charlie was doing, right?

00:12:43.000 Like he went to people that disagreed with him and he said, Let's talk about it.

00:12:48.000 Let me give you insight into the way that I and people that I'm politically aligned with think.

00:12:55.000 And I just saw a tweet that literally just made it kind of knocked me over.

00:12:59.000 It the guy said, What's the point of liberalism if it leads to the let's talk about it guy bleeding out on a debate stage?

00:13:08.000 Yeah.

00:13:08.000 And I don't want to give up on our republic because the option is to do things that are, you know, is to to take liberties away from people, and that's not good for America.

00:13:25.000 But the people that killed Charlie, the people that are celebrating Charlie's death, they Don't believe in liberalism.

00:13:31.000 They're not liberals, as much as we'll that's the name that they get, you know, they get that is used to describe them.

00:13:39.000 They're looking for a reaction.

00:13:41.000 And today everybody's emotions are so high or so, you know, it's such a a painful day.

00:13:48.000 Like it's really hard to not, you know, post things that are TOS violations or say things that are that are really bad, you know.

00:13:56.000 Um it's it's it's just really tough to to you know control that impulse because there are terrible things that I want to say, and terrible things that because I'm emotional about the whole thing.

00:14:10.000 We've been talking about how the political climate in this country was is going to lead to these kind of things.

00:14:17.000 We were talking about it.

00:14:19.000 I mean, I've been here going on three years, and we've since I started coming on the show.

00:14:23.000 We've been saying, where's the off-ramp?

00:14:25.000 Where's the off-ramp?

00:14:26.000 How do we stop this?

00:14:27.000 How do we prevent this from escalating?

00:14:30.000 And then it's been, you know.

00:14:33.000 Political Using using the government going after their political enemies, and that then there was the attack on Donald Trump, two attacks on Donald Trump.

00:14:40.000 So people called one of the dudes that jumped on stage a third attack on Donald Trump.

00:14:45.000 And now Charlie, um where does it end?

00:14:50.000 Because Charlie was so milked toast, everyday conservative.

00:14:56.000 Seriously.

00:14:57.000 He was he was so inoffensive.

00:14:59.000 This is this is what terrifies me.

00:15:00.000 The guy that comes after Charlie is not inoffensive.

00:15:04.000 But it it it it terrifies me that that's who they're going after.

00:15:09.000 It it it's it's Charlie Kirk was mainstream conservative, you know, so articulate.

00:15:18.000 But he cared about family.

00:15:20.000 He was not an extremist, no, he was a regular.

00:15:24.000 It it was moderate politics.

00:15:27.000 And that and that's who they kill.

00:15:29.000 It was common sense.

00:15:30.000 Boris Johnson in his post on X today said that Charlie Kirk was communicating common sense.

00:15:37.000 That's what that's what make America great again.

00:15:40.000 That's what it is.

00:15:42.000 It makes this is just Martin Luther King.

00:15:44.000 This is like them taking Martin Luther King's life.

00:15:46.000 The man spoke for a generation of people that had been relegated or felt relegated, and he threatened the political power.

00:15:53.000 Martin Luther King could have commanded 10,000 people to go push a button and they would have done it.

00:15:57.000 Charlie had that same power.

00:16:00.000 Mr. Grey, can you tell us a little bit more about uh how you think we should be feeling and thinking about this in an age of political violence?

00:16:08.000 You're an elected official.

00:16:10.000 Do you know, do you feel those pressures on you as well?

00:16:13.000 What what's your reaction here?

00:16:14.000 Well, earlier uh we were talking about what's the off-ramp.

00:16:18.000 Well, the off-ramp is what Charlie Kirk was presenting, which is this vibrant political debate.

00:16:26.000 When he came to the University of Wyoming in late April, it he spoke for about I'd say seven to nine minutes, and then it went straight to QA, the QA that he was known for.

00:16:39.000 And he would have these very uh respectful back and forth debates on the issues of the day, and it was broadcast live.

00:16:50.000 I mean, it it's a pivotal part.

00:16:52.000 I mean, when we look at the the poll polling numbers on Gen Z and the transformation politically of Gen Z, uh turning point is a pivotal part of that.

00:17:07.000 And and Charlie, Charlie's a visionary.

00:17:10.000 I don't think we should dilute the facts here about the loathing of the left towards Charlie Kirk.

00:17:17.000 They thought he was a misogynist because he was pro-life and he was irredeemable because of that.

00:17:23.000 They thought he was irredeemable because he supported Israel and they would accuse him of supporting genocide. 0.91

00:17:29.000 Um they think that because he was willing to call out black violence towards white people, that he was a racist, and that all of this stuff makes him an irredeemable white supremacist, bigoted racist that many on the left are actually going to celebrate.

00:17:44.000 We shouldn't dilute ourselves. 0.85

00:17:45.000 They are thinking other things celebrated.

00:17:48.000 If this monster is ever found, which God willing, they will be soon.

00:17:52.000 Uh I think they will be turned into a Luigi Mangioni type figure.

00:17:55.000 We're in an era of political violence.

00:17:58.000 I mean, if he's prosecuted and convicted, Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah said that he wanted to remind everyone that Utah still has the death penalty.

00:18:05.000 Yes, yes, but what a lot is saying is that they they lionize Luigi Manchoni.

00:18:09.000 He's a hero to the left.

00:18:10.000 And when they do catch this guy, the left is going to make portraits of him as a saint, and they're gonna put him on their magazine covers.

00:18:10.000 Yes, they do.

00:18:17.000 And they're fake religious candles.

00:18:18.000 Indeed.

00:18:19.000 Charlie Kirk was more than just a political commentator.

00:18:22.000 I think he was an American icon of conservatism.

00:18:25.000 He he's he was more than just himself.

00:18:27.000 He was really a figurehead for conservatism, the new age of conservatism.

00:18:31.000 He was only, I believe, 31.

00:18:33.000 31 years old.

00:18:34.000 Um at the end of the day.

00:18:35.000 Started when he was a teenager, built up didn't go to college.

00:18:39.000 The most powerful political organization of our generation.

00:18:42.000 People were just talking last year how we were when we were at TPUSA, parties were popping up.

00:18:48.000 James O'Keefe had a party, as he he does these parties at turning points.

00:18:53.000 They're the biggest parties.

00:18:55.000 And I I'm talking to people saying, like, Charlie has basically built political South by Southwest.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 This is huge.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 And then when he opened up America Fest, not just to students, but to everybody, people of all ages were coming to America Fest to like hang out and meet each other.

00:19:13.000 And it was a a sort of revelation during the Biden woke era and all that.

00:19:19.000 It was like, oh, wait, there's there's more of us.

00:19:22.000 There's more of us who are not on board with all of this lunacy.

00:19:26.000 There was a we can hang out, we can have conversations and not be shunned and not be kicked out of our families here.

00:19:32.000 All of the side events that were being built up around it.

00:19:34.000 And people were saying this is bigger than the RNC.

00:19:38.000 Turning point has become a good idea.

00:19:40.000 Oh, it was gonna take over.

00:19:41.000 It was gonna take over that whole realm.

00:19:41.000 Yeah.

00:19:44.000 If there's someone that is charismatic at turning point, it still could because Charlie's the legacy that Charlie has left is something that a lot of people are going to coalesce around.

00:19:57.000 Well, I was thinking about this too on the drive over here, and I was thinking that the men who are next in line to Charlie's legacy, um are really gonna need to step up, you know, and and really are gonna be in that spotlight.

00:20:18.000 Men like Jack Psobic, men like you, Tim Poole, you know.

00:20:21.000 I mean, the the men who are at the forefront of this and have been unafraid and have been speaking their mind, there's gonna be a lot more light on them, you know, and a lot more perhaps more danger as well, which is sort of terrifying, terrifying to think about, but it can't what Charlie was creating is not something that the people of America can afford to lose.

00:20:47.000 Yeah, I'm thinking what would he say if he was here right now?

00:20:50.000 How would he guide people?

00:20:51.000 And I I'm kind of torn down the middle between the animal part of me that wants the vengeance and wants to find the guy and see a public execution, and then there's the part of me that's like kindness, compassion, forgiveness.

00:21:03.000 These are what Charlie preached.

00:21:04.000 These are the things he believed in, and that not to fall into the rage because there's there's a middle road there though, Ian.

00:21:12.000 Not just kindness, compassion, forgiveness, or unadulterated rage, justice.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, but to not to cause pain on the victim unnecessarily suffering because that's more hellish.

00:21:25.000 Don't worry about don't worry about the not the victim, the perpetrator.

00:21:28.000 What you are correct on is I I would never purport to speak for Charlie, but I imagine as a rational and intelligent, powerful leader, he would say we have to be reasonable and rational in how we respond now.

00:21:44.000 Trump is getting tremendous is gaining tremendous victories.

00:21:47.000 We have won electorally.

00:21:49.000 The actions against Charlie are the moves of a desperate, fringe psychotic ideology.

00:21:55.000 They want to drag us down into the mud so that we break from the position that has brought us success.

00:22:02.000 That does not mean we don't get justice.

00:22:05.000 Utah, they said they have the death penalty, and they're going to find this person.

00:22:12.000 What this means for us is we have to remain calm and collected and vigilant, working towards justice, finding the suspect, but making sure we do not allow wanton random escalation.

00:22:25.000 And that's what I fear.

00:22:26.000 That this an attack against Trump For many of us is terrifying, it's shocking.

00:22:33.000 It's offensive.

00:22:35.000 Charlie was not a politician.

00:22:37.000 Charlie was just a guy who had passion in politics and built up organizations to pursue those passions, but he did not decide how you would live or sleep.

00:22:47.000 He just explained his ideas and did it better than they did.

00:22:50.000 And that was a threat they took out.

00:22:52.000 Charlie all today going through the news and talking with our sources and our friends from various organizations.

00:23:00.000 Every phone call I was I was on was struggling through tears on both ends.

00:23:05.000 It's because Charlie treated you like you were the best.

00:23:11.000 It was it was it it was it was very Christian like that he was there for you, whatever you needed.

00:23:19.000 And so everybody felt like their best friend just got taken from them.

00:23:25.000 This has the potential to be substantially more catastrophic than anybody else they could have targeted.

00:23:32.000 I think it's on the level of like, you know, the assassinations of 68.

00:23:36.000 I think that's I think that's where we are.

00:23:39.000 I think that's what this is.

00:23:40.000 MLK, RFK, both 68, what was it like April and June, April and July, something like that.

00:23:46.000 Yeah.

00:23:47.000 And I think that's what this is.

00:23:48.000 You know what that did?

00:23:49.000 It destroyed the hope and dreams of the kids in the 60s that thought JFK was there to help, and he was.

00:23:53.000 He was there to step up against the military war machine and and scale it down, and they people believed and they had hope, and then it was taken.

00:24:01.000 And the and the people who believed in the civil rights movement, you know, only to have um Martin Luther King Jr. struck down as well.

00:24:08.000 By the FBI, is that confirmed?

00:24:10.000 I don't know.

00:24:11.000 The far left in this country seems completely emboldened to have vigilante justice against those who they view as fascists, which is anybody on the right.

00:24:11.000 I don't know.

00:24:25.000 And unless I don't know what the President Trump administration can do.

00:24:30.000 I don't I don't see how this, you know, we're saying hearts and prayers.

00:24:34.000 We're saying, you know, this is horrible and like this will have a huge impact.

00:24:38.000 This will have a huge impact to hurt the conservative movement.

00:24:43.000 I don't know where where this leads, um, but this is part a symptom of a larger trend.

00:24:49.000 Well, it's a trend that's do you remember punch a Nazi? 0.62

00:24:51.000 And then suddenly they decided we're all Nazis.

00:24:54.000 Ten years ago, I was like, and this is when I was, you know, before I was in the political world beyond Twitter. 0.82

00:25:01.000 I'm a dude in a band, and I'm and like I see people that I know saying, Oh, it's okay to punch Nazis.

00:25:07.000 And I'm like, this leads nowhere good.

00:25:10.000 This is going to lead us to a terrible place.

00:25:13.000 And and what I got back was, why are you defending Nazis?

00:25:17.000 It was almost ubiquitous in the music industry.

00:25:17.000 Right.

00:25:20.000 It was for sure the truth in the arts.

00:25:23.000 I mean, it was true in the theater community in New York City.

00:25:26.000 It was true in, I mean, if you remember in I don't know why anyone remember this, but in 2018, there was an exhibit at the San Francisco public library that had punch a turf because they went from punch a Nazi to beat up women who don't think men are women.

00:25:41.000 And they had a baseball bat that was like covered with fake blood that said punch a turf on it.

00:25:46.000 Like all of this stuff, um it has escalated, and a lot of people were, you know, being like, hey, that's crazy.

00:25:54.000 And here we're and they're they're assassinating, you know, extremely wonderful young men.

00:26:00.000 So the question then is immediately when this happens, our, you know, our security team, they're contacting us.

00:26:07.000 I I assure you, every person in this space, their sec their their companies, their teams, they made phone calls, everything's been dialed up as high as it can be dialed up.

00:26:18.000 I mean, just a week ago, I was saying, like, wow, things have calmed down, where the riots it seems like we're winning.

00:26:23.000 And I think this is what happens when you when it is perceivable that to everybody, including your adversaries that you're winning, they they take these desperate moves.

00:26:33.000 The question for us is uh I had an event planned with Alex Stein for October.

00:26:41.000 It was a campus event.

00:26:43.000 Uh I had actually reached out to Charlie saying that, you know, I'd love to do some of these if if if possible.

00:26:49.000 Uh we were planning more.

00:26:52.000 This was earlier in the year, and so we were like, let's try, let's see what time we have in the fall.

00:26:56.000 I'm I'm super busy, so we found a date, and we're like, let's give it a shot.

00:26:59.000 It's canceled.

00:27:00.000 And cancel that.

00:27:01.000 Well, I'm glad I can't do it.

00:27:03.000 I'm glad you canceled it.

00:27:05.000 But now we also have these live venue events, and it looks like I have no choice but to cancel them or at least I can't be there.

00:27:10.000 I'm not for or against you canceling them, but how would you respond to somebody who says that's them winning?

00:27:15.000 Indeed.

00:27:16.000 And so the the debate was they are celebrating right now.

00:27:22.000 Their Daily Mail has a video I'm not going to show it of leftists celebrating.

00:27:26.000 A vi a video's gone viral.

00:27:27.000 People have taken all these leftists, they're dancing and they're cheering.

00:27:31.000 There are people outside of universities right now, and there's videos of them cheering and high-fiving and celebrating.

00:27:38.000 They called for it.

00:27:40.000 They're happy that it's happened, and they threaten me.

00:27:43.000 And so the debate is we do a show every night.

00:27:46.000 I do a morning show, two morning shows, technically three, because we break it at the interview up.

00:27:51.000 And this nightly show, we reach millions of viewers.

00:27:55.000 We can keep doing that, or I can risk dying to go to a crowd of 500.

00:28:02.000 And so maybe you want to say, yes, they've shut down our public events and they've they've isolated us to these spaces.

00:28:10.000 But what is the answer?

00:28:12.000 What do you how do you want we're terrorized?

00:28:14.000 No, keeping sans.

00:28:16.000 You gotta stay inside.

00:28:16.000 This is Kennedy got hit, John F. Kennedy when he was outside, and they realized he can't parade the president out in the open anymore.

00:28:22.000 So they stop.

00:28:23.000 Guns are too easy to find now.

00:28:24.000 And it's the same thing with your high-level political per person.

00:28:30.000 Yeah, and he there's nothing you can do.

00:28:32.000 What you were talking about, like they haven't won because you're not doing an a public appearance.

00:28:38.000 They've only won if you stop doing the show, if you stop talking about these things, if you stop bringing the opposing argument, you've struck fear into your heart where you're scared to do in a public event that you'd otherwise do it.

00:28:49.000 It does feel like sufficiently terrible.

00:28:53.000 If it's one person, it's totally different.

00:28:55.000 If you're talking about putting a boatload of people into a room, the people, other people that work here, it's a different thing.

00:29:01.000 Let me address that.

00:29:02.000 It's not the fear of it.

00:29:04.000 They literally killed him.

00:29:07.000 The intent is clear, and the risk is not I am scared of the left, it's that they are killing people.

00:29:11.000 You gotta change tactics.

00:29:12.000 It's not a loss if you change your tactics.

00:29:14.000 If the enemy develops a new weapon in the culture war that's like artillery and your your old position's no longer viable, you just remaneuver to a new position that's more fortified.

00:29:23.000 That's understandable.

00:29:24.000 The the big question is so there was a story, and I I told this before.

00:29:27.000 I mean, I I don't know if I should, but we were in Nashville, and we were going to go uh I was gonna I was gonna play music.

00:29:34.000 I think Ian was gonna we're gonna go to John Rich's uh honky tonk.

00:29:39.000 And there was a security threat, which I won't go into detail on, and I was told we can't do the event because of this security risk, this this this threat against you.

00:29:48.000 And then I said, they're not gonna stop me, they can't scare me.

00:29:53.000 And then I was told, Tim, this is downtown Nashville, and there are children outside.

00:30:00.000 If someone comes with a gun, it's not about you.

00:30:02.000 And I went, I get it.

00:30:05.000 Okay.

00:30:06.000 If we go to this event and we say that we're gonna be on the ground at this university, and some lunatic shows up with a gun, it's not just me that's at risk.

00:30:13.000 It's any one of those kids or people who want to show up too.

00:30:16.000 Well, and all those kids were fleeing.

00:30:17.000 They were running.

00:30:18.000 Right.

00:30:19.000 And it's and then and thankfully nobody else was was was injured, but horrifyingly, Charlie, the leader of this massive movement has lost his life.

00:30:29.000 I certainly understand the anger you might feel over this tactic stops us from doing these university events because they're so powerful and important.

00:30:39.000 But so there's there is a a level of you know, if I I would put it like this.

00:30:47.000 If we were talking about a battlefield, and you know that the enemy is uh has assassins targeting your officers, you take your officers out of the risk, and then you utilize other resources in these key areas.

00:31:01.000 That is to say, campus events can still happen.

00:31:04.000 It just doesn't need to be the highest profile of individuals.

00:31:10.000 It can be among the students that are already there, which minimizes the risks and minimizes the target but keeps the conversations going.

00:31:16.000 So TP USA can still keep these going without Charlie.

00:31:20.000 It can be handled by local chapters who can carry on these debates and make sure we don't lose momentum.

00:31:28.000 Huh.

00:31:30.000 But I suppose it's the debate.

00:31:32.000 I'm sure people are gonna say don't keep doing the events.

00:31:35.000 And inside with security checking guns at the door.

00:31:39.000 Not possible.

00:31:40.000 If they can get targets on the president, then anybody is capable of getting...

00:31:48.000 They can it's literally drone bomb your house if they think you're gonna be able to do it.

00:31:51.000 Yes, yes, but but let's let's let's be real.

00:31:53.000 Like these events that we do, I have to drive in a car to a back entrance, go in and go out with security waiting for me because we've like I've we've been s we were swatted 15 times one year.

00:32:03.000 We've we've had the bomb squad multiple times.

00:32:05.000 We've had uh a man show up claiming he was sent by God.

00:32:08.000 We have there there's other security issues that I'm not going to go into detail on because they happen every single day.

00:32:14.000 So this is the challenge.

00:32:16.000 Like my wife is obviously extremely worried when we we want to do these public culture war shows. 1.00

00:32:21.000 We want to bring people and invite them in.

00:32:23.000 And it sure we have security checking people and making sure people aren't coming in with weapons, which I actually don't like.

00:32:29.000 I don't like that we have to do that because of me.

00:32:32.000 But we can't even secure in DC.

00:32:36.000 I it's just not it's not possible.

00:32:38.000 So it it's this is like a major moment in this country that's a lot of us thought could happen.

00:32:47.000 We didn't know when or how, but we just really in the back of our minds thought it it wasn't gonna happen, even though Phil and I talk about it every single night.

00:32:54.000 There's no off ramp, it's just the escalation keeps getting worse all day.

00:33:00.000 Let me let me tell you the hardest thing was we we we have friends in this space, and the only thing that I wanted to tweet was that Charlie was okay.

00:33:12.000 Me too.

00:33:13.000 Even though I was getting people hitting me up, and they and I got a phone call and I didn't say anything because I didn't want to believe it.

00:33:26.000 Yep.

00:33:27.000 Because the only thing that mattered was that the AP said he was stable.

00:33:31.000 And I got a call from someone, you know, in the when the story is breaking and they told me this is a top level person in the know, he is stable.

00:33:41.000 And I tweeted that.

00:33:42.000 A source has told me that he is stable.

00:33:45.000 And then when I got the next phone call, I didn't say a word because I there was nothing that would make me believe it.

00:33:51.000 No, absolutely not, until everyone else started posting it.

00:33:56.000 Well, at post-millennial and human events, uh Charlie Kirk was integral with human events.

00:34:02.000 He was a senior contributor.

00:34:04.000 Um, you know, Jack is our is a senior editor, and Jack and Charlie are obviously really tight, and so you know, we cover his show a lot, and um uh we would we watch his cold open every day and we go down the list, we're like, oh, we covered that, we covered that, we covered the dang, we missed that, you know, go through.

00:34:23.000 Um but we Thomas Stevenson has connections in Utah, and he used to um intern on the hill for Senator Lee.

00:34:34.000 And so, you know, I called him as soon as I heard that the shooting had happened, and um he was like, uh, and it's his day off.

00:34:42.000 And he was like, Let me see what's going on, let me find out.

00:34:45.000 And he was driving, he pulled over to the side of the road, and I don't know how long he stayed on the side of the road, like trying to figure out what was going on, because he had also alerted us to this event last week.

00:34:56.000 He was like, This looks like it's gonna be a pretty good event.

00:34:59.000 You know, I'll see if um people I know are going and like what's happening at it.

00:35:05.000 Um and uh we had reason to believe based on the information that Tommy was getting that um that it was not that it was not gonna be uh good news.

00:35:20.000 Um we had reason to believe that.

00:35:22.000 And we saw other people posting like a nurse said this or hearsay from this person or whatever, and none of us wanted to write it.

00:35:31.000 And I was like, we are we're not writing this down until it's confirmed.

00:35:37.000 We're not writing this down.

00:35:38.000 If we're if we're the last outlet to write this down, that's fine.

00:35:43.000 We're not we're not gonna we're not going after anything other than like accuracy on this one, and we were just no, we were just stunned.

00:35:53.000 Like one of our office is fully remote, so everybody is all across the country, and one of the things That we do is bring everybody to a turning point event.

00:36:04.000 You know, like maybe once or twice a year, get as many people from staff out as we can and like have a toast and talk in person, and that's just not something that we normally do.

00:36:14.000 Like it'll be months and months before I physically see anybody that I work with.

00:36:19.000 Um yeah, I mean it it it definitely hit our newsroom a little hard.

00:36:25.000 And I was I was so angry, I was so angry when I saw other outlets posting like writing articles and sharing them saying that he had passed before they had before they had confirmation, like I was just livid.

00:36:39.000 I was having a hard time when I would see people tweet, there's no way he's gonna survive.

00:36:42.000 I didn't like that either.

00:36:44.000 Just believe he's healing in a bed right now.

00:36:46.000 And then I mean, but prayer works.

00:36:49.000 There they call it the placebo effect in science.

00:36:51.000 No one really knows exactly what's happening, but there's something.

00:36:54.000 I went to church on the ton of candles.

00:36:57.000 Let me some injuries are so great that it's like the spirits can't mend, you know.

00:37:01.000 I just want to say, you know, final thought on the issue of these live events.

00:37:05.000 Guys, if our streets have become a battlefield, you don't run into the battlefield.

00:37:11.000 If you are standing in an open field and you hear a gunshot, you get down and you find cover.

00:37:16.000 You do not run into it without a plan.

00:37:20.000 My point is there are more effective means of being involved in it in in this information without without risking my life and losing all of the shows that we already do that reach a much wider audience over live shows per month.

00:37:35.000 And your family needs you.

00:37:36.000 This is the thing about in uh war.

00:37:38.000 If you want to consider this like a a culture war or whatever, paramilitary action.

00:37:44.000 You have to live like that, Tim.

00:37:45.000 What you were just saying, you your pride is irrelevant.

00:37:48.000 It is survival, it is repositioning, it is defense, entrenchment, preparing.

00:37:53.000 It's not about ego.

00:37:55.000 I want to I want to pull this up from the Daily Mail.

00:37:58.000 And there's some context to this story.

00:38:00.000 Democrats reject prayers for Charlie Kirk as moment of silence devolves into house floor shouting match.

00:38:06.000 And so my understanding, Libby, you were you were telling me before that Mike Johnson had a moment of silence for Charlie.

00:38:11.000 That's right.

00:38:12.000 And then what happened next?

00:38:13.000 Lauren Boebert wanted to extend it, but the Democrats started yelling. 1.00

00:38:16.000 That's what I could understand.

00:38:16.000 She wasn't Mike'd, so it was hard to hear.

00:38:18.000 Um, I saw the clip going viral, and uh again, it was Tommy who hit me to it, and we went back and looked on C-Span and pulled the full clip, which was like two minutes.

00:38:28.000 Mike Johnson called for a moment of silence.

00:38:30.000 Let's uh let's play this and see what we do.

00:38:35.000 Please rise for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.

00:38:38.000 Amen.

00:38:48.000 Thank you.

00:38:50.000 What purpose of the gentlelady from Colorado rise? 0.99

00:38:55.000 Shh.

00:38:59.000 Let's let's let's wait a minute.

00:39:02.000 Wait a minute.

00:39:03.000 The house will be in order.

00:39:04.000 The house will be in order.

00:39:06.000 Shh.

00:39:08.000 The house will be in order.

00:39:12.000 Shh.

00:39:18.000 We the house will be in order.

00:39:24.000 We we will join for prayer right after this, okay?

00:39:28.000 The chair lays before the house a communication.

00:39:33.000 So the Daily Mail reports is that uh let's see, chaos devolved when Mike Johnson attempted to lead a prayer for Charlie Kirk.

00:39:42.000 So I think I think what you were saying was correct.

00:39:44.000 Democrats were against the request for the prayer.

00:39:47.000 So there was a moment of silence when Lauren Boebert requested a moment of prayer.

00:39:53.000 Democrats, some of them began yelling no.

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:59.000 Like Lauren wanted to say things.

00:40:01.000 Is that what it was to say?

00:40:02.000 One Democrat blurted out, pass some gun laws. 1.00

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 It's disgusting. 0.93

00:40:06.000 That's insane. 0.99

00:40:07.000 Anna Paulina Anna Paulina Luna yelled, you effing own this. 1.00

00:40:13.000 She's she's and then uh it says she accused Democrats earlier in the day of being the origin of the violence against Kirk, quote.

00:40:19.000 I am done with the rhetoric this rotten house and corrupt media has caused.

00:40:23.000 She posted on X shortly after the news of the shooting broke. 0.99

00:40:26.000 Every damn one of you called us fascist who called us fascist did this. 0.99

00:40:30.000 I'm I'm exhausted with the fight, fight, fight rhetoric. 0.99

00:40:34.000 I mean, if you actually want to throw down and hurt someone and get hurt, that's when you use that term fight.

00:40:40.000 It's not about arguing with people.

00:40:41.000 And Charlie was the epitome of the way to communicate without fighting, the way to get your job done without fighting.

00:40:47.000 He wasn't a fighter.

00:40:48.000 You didn't need to.

00:40:48.000 He was a communicator.

00:40:50.000 And this Elizabeth Warren being like, We need to fight. 0.96

00:40:52.000 Have you ever been in a fight, lady?

00:40:54.000 Do you know what happens with professional fighters want to fight you?

00:40:57.000 Don't do that stuff anymore.

00:40:59.000 We gotta cool it down.

00:41:00.000 And I gotta start with myself, but this is what literally we we've been talking about trying to cool the rhetoric for the better part of three, four years or so.

00:41:11.000 I mean, this is this is this is uh something that we've been talking about forever.

00:41:17.000 For as long as IRL has been on.

00:41:18.000 I've either I was listening to people say, hey, we've got to cool the rhetoric, or I've been saying it myself.

00:41:25.000 Like I don't know what to do, but just saying, hey, cool the rhetoric is not enough.

00:41:33.000 No, it's not a machine that's pouring this rhetoric into our country into our airwaves to make people crazy to destabilize the country and there's there's a significant portion of the population that have been radicalized.

00:41:47.000 Like currently, on the left.

00:41:49.000 Okay, COVID.

00:41:51.000 The kids that have masks on during COVID.

00:41:52.000 No, those are that's just they were kids.

00:41:54.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:41:55.000 I'm talking about call like college students and young adults that have been radicalized.

00:42:01.000 I the person that that shot Charlie, obviously, we don't know who it was, but it's likely that it was a young adult.

00:42:08.000 Not necessarily, but it was likely there was but they were they were a leftist, likely a leftist who believed that Charlie Kirk had all these terrible views.

00:42:18.000 Where did they come up with that idea?

00:42:20.000 When honestly, again, his Charlie's views were very standard boilerplate Republican, right?

00:42:29.000 Not moderate American conservative, traditional, not particularly extreme.

00:42:33.000 It is not extremist to say it's good for men and women to be married and have kids. 0.99

00:42:40.000 So Occupy Democrats, Occupy Democrats on their Instagram have multiple, multiple anti-Charlie Kirk posts that they have put up today, including, yes, he really said this, no one should be assassinated, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a hateful jerk who spread nothing but division and ill will towards his fellow man. 0.98

00:43:01.000 I mean the dude after he died. 0.92

00:43:03.000 These are if you look at the timestamps 12 minutes ago, they posted that.

00:43:07.000 33 minutes ago, they put the we've got it.

00:43:10.000 Charlie Kirk spent his entire life disparaging immigrants, disrespecting women, and blaming black folks only to get shot in one of the whitest places on earth.

00:43:17.000 As a woman who went on his show a fair number of times, and I he had nothing but respect for me.

00:43:25.000 He was kind, he was generous with himself and with his intellect, and he was, you know, he was a really good man.

00:43:31.000 I don't see how you can say that about him at all.

00:43:34.000 And he took he took everybody's opinions.

00:43:37.000 He talked to everybody about everything.

00:43:39.000 There was a tweet.

00:43:41.000 Someone said the moderate right died today.

00:43:45.000 All of these comments on this Instagram, I don't I don't I don't want to show them, and I don't know.

00:43:49.000 They're horrifying.

00:43:50.000 But it the if you want to be radicalized.

00:43:52.000 Yeah, go to blue sky.

00:43:53.000 I went over there to see that, typed in Charlie Kirk and see what was up.

00:43:56.000 After like 14 posts I had to X out in almost vomiting.

00:44:00.000 It was dis and it's just like that's that exists. 1.00

00:44:02.000 That's out there.

00:44:03.000 If you want to look for it, you're gonna find it.

00:44:05.000 And there's it's not actually uncommon either.

00:44:09.000 It's not like these are fringe people, right?

00:44:12.000 Like there are considerable people that are considerable amount of people that are in public life that are on blue sky that will say terrible, horrible things.

00:44:22.000 You know, it's so easy to do, and it has such repercussions on it that are yet to be understood by the power the power human power to speak and to propel it with mass media, it's so new.

00:44:33.000 You can you combine that kind of rhetoric with the political leaning that is most likely to be someone that has some kind of mental illness, um, and you're going to get this type of reaction.

00:44:49.000 The left loves people that are miserable, that are unhappy with their life, that don't have a foundation in any kind of faith, that don't have a family, Because people that have family, people that have faith, people that are happy, do not engage in political violence.

00:45:08.000 They don't engage in revolutionary activities. 0.99

00:45:12.000 The left needs crazy people.

00:45:14.000 They need people that don't have the same kind of the same stuff to lose that normal people do. 0.97

00:45:21.000 Right?

00:45:22.000 Like if you if you have a family, if you have kids, you're not gonna go do something crazy like this because you have kids to take care of.

00:45:27.000 If you have a job that you care about that's providing for you or providing for your family, you're not gonna do something crazy like that because you have a job.

00:45:36.000 You have stuff to do.

00:45:37.000 You have a things in your life.

00:45:39.000 They need nihilistic, desperate people that have nothing to lose.

00:45:46.000 And so the crazier they the more the more extreme they can find people, the more people they can find on the margins of society and tell them the problem is, you know, Christians that are having kids, the happier they are. 0.92

00:46:00.000 That's something that Dr. Jordan Peterson used to always say, like, why are more people not speaking out?

00:46:05.000 Because they're busy leading their lives and raising their kids, you know.

00:46:09.000 I mean, is that something that you find?

00:46:11.000 I'm looking at my face.

00:46:12.000 That's why we need leaders.

00:46:13.000 Yeah.

00:46:13.000 Like Charlie, who were just masters of communicating, led their generation.

00:46:18.000 I mean, think back to when I was in college.

00:46:20.000 I mean, I graduated in 2012.

00:46:22.000 Turning point was just beginning to start coming to campus.

00:46:26.000 It wasn't at the campus I went to.

00:46:29.000 But the minute that changed in 2013, 2014, that's when you started to see some of the the changes in in polling and attitudes, and and you've seen it more and more with Gen Z. I mean, that they understand what's at stake for public policy, and it's because of a lot of a lot of it is because of the of this work that Turning Point has done.

00:46:54.000 Yeah, they were out on campuses.

00:46:55.000 They were doing so much to get out the vote last year.

00:46:58.000 They were doing stuff too, weren't they?

00:47:00.000 Where it was like, come to this event, this turning point event with Don Jr.

00:47:04.000 And, you know, vote early, drop off your mail and ballot right here, and then come on in, you know, and like that was your ticket in was dropping off your ballot.

00:47:12.000 Um that that seemed really effective.

00:47:15.000 You know, that was a campus event.

00:47:16.000 I went to my Facebook just to see what people were saying.

00:47:20.000 And while there certainly are some awful statements, a lot of the lefty activist types that I've known since Occupy are calling out the younger left and the leftists calling for violence.

00:47:34.000 And I respect that.

00:47:35.000 I appreciate that.

00:47:36.000 These these are these are people who have followed me on Facebook and I followed for a very, very long time, and they're very like it was populist left occupy stuff, so they hate Trump.

00:47:44.000 And I'm just seeing I see a handful of posts where they're saying these people are evil.

00:47:50.000 Charlie did nothing wrong, like he was just a guy that they didn't like.

00:47:54.000 And I I wish, and I I I these occupied Democrats and this blue sky stuff is what's terrifying.

00:48:01.000 But I feel like some of these, these, these uh older folks, at least these more, you know, I guess occupy-centered people are shocked and they seem to be angry about Charlie Kirk's death.

00:48:12.000 So I'm glad to see it.

00:48:14.000 The the vapid violent nihilism is just it's not a sustainable movement.

00:48:21.000 That doesn't mean it can't take over a government, but it doesn't really give people hope.

00:48:26.000 It doesn't really unify and rally people without fear.

00:48:30.000 So when things are good, it sort of falls away.

00:48:34.000 So there's uh I wanna I want to pull this up for you guys.

00:48:38.000 So we have this tweet from Luke Rodkowski showing the uh the the building where they say that the shot was taken from.

00:48:45.000 I I don't think it was there, was it?

00:48:46.000 I'm not sure.

00:48:47.000 200 meters.

00:48:49.000 200 meters is not professional.

00:48:50.000 It was 455 feet.

00:48:52.000 Luke says, whoever this was, it was a professional hit, but there's a response.

00:48:56.000 Alexander Graves says 200 meters is not a far shot.

00:48:59.000 However, it was organized by more than one person.

00:49:02.000 The old man who threw himself at police saying, shoot me, shoot me, gave pause on the search for the shooter, allowing him to get away.

00:49:09.000 The individual who asked the question about the mass shooting was timely.

00:49:12.000 It was not professional.

00:49:14.000 It was an M700 chambered in 308.

00:49:16.000 It was organized by communist leftists.

00:49:17.000 Now we don't know that for sure.

00:49:19.000 But there were these posts where someone said, Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow.

00:49:22.000 I really hope.

00:49:23.000 And then he said, Yeah, I'm not gonna read it.

00:49:25.000 And then he caught replied with some let's just say something big will happen tomorrow.

00:49:30.000 And this is the one of the first videos that emerged.

00:49:36.000 You don't have to make a said, I have the right to remain silent.

00:49:43.000 Uh I didn't see the video of someone yelling, shoot me, shoot me, but I'd heard that quite a bit.

00:49:48.000 It was him.

00:49:49.000 Yes.

00:49:49.000 It was him?

00:49:50.000 He was there's a video of it.

00:49:51.000 While he was being escorted away by officers.

00:49:53.000 He was see if I can find that.

00:49:55.000 He was released, this guy.

00:49:56.000 This guy was the first person detained in the middle.

00:49:58.000 But the first thing I noticed right away when they released him was whatever it is he did that resulted in him being the guy grabbed, it allowed the shooter to escape.

00:50:05.000 Sure did, yeah.

00:50:05.000 Whether intentional or otherwise, I have no idea, but that distraction.

00:50:09.000 Could he have been intentionally part of a distraction?

00:50:11.000 Yeah, the argument that some people are making.

00:50:14.000 And then there was the one guy on Fox News talking about this guy saying that it definitely couldn't have been him and that he wasn't capable.

00:50:21.000 Uh okay, we we have this video.

00:50:24.000 Hey, what's that?

00:50:25.000 We don't know if it's him or not.

00:50:28.000 And they and that's the cop saying, we don't know if it's him or not. 0.99

00:50:32.000 And he's yelling, shoot me.

00:50:34.000 Like Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:50:37.000 That's so weird.

00:50:38.000 Yeah, like Lee Harvey Oswald, like what they did with Lee during the perk walk.

00:50:42.000 And then they shot him.

00:50:45.000 That's messed up, you guys.

00:50:48.000 So the the the conspiracy theory. 0.99

00:50:51.000 Kill me! 0.93

00:50:52.000 Was that? 1.00

00:50:53.000 We don't know if it's him or not.

00:50:56.000 The conspiracy theory is that it was organized.

00:50:59.000 He was the distraction.

00:51:00.000 The real shooter escaped.

00:51:02.000 When the first thing I heard was that in which case, why would they have let him go?

00:51:06.000 Because there's no evidence he did anything.

00:51:08.000 The the first thing I heard was that somebody somebody stood up and started yelling questions at Charlie and then shot him.

00:51:15.000 And that's in the first video that I saw, it it was bad, but it didn't look as bad as the second video.

00:51:26.000 But but then, you know, what ended up happening uh was I saw this.

00:51:30.000 Uh Luke had reached out to me and said, Hey, another vit there's another video, and this is not a handgun.

00:51:36.000 This is not a guy in the crowd.

00:51:39.000 And this became extremely strange.

00:51:41.000 That why would this happen, this shooting, and then some guy be perceived as by anybody of being the shooter, start yelling, shoot me, shoot me, and I have the right to remain silent, which only serves to assist.

00:51:53.000 I'm not saying I'm not saying intentionally, but the actions he took did help the shooter escape, or or who we believe to be the guy on the roof running.

00:52:01.000 That was my take, too.

00:52:02.000 If you want, we could find the Fox News interview too of him talking to like his buddy saying that it definitely wasn't this guy and that he named this guy specifically.

00:52:10.000 Uh if you want to try and find it, yeah.

00:52:12.000 What one of the also one of the angles here that I wanted to hit on that I feel like we haven't touched on was the morbidity and ghoulishness of social media as soon as this was coming out, and um how quickly people felt the need to spit around how many different angles they could find of this young man being shot and killed and and analyzing, you know, uh the volumes of blood coming out.

00:52:12.000 I could send it to you.

00:52:39.000 Oh screen went up.

00:52:40.000 Uh was it this guy?

00:52:41.000 Yes, it was this guy.

00:52:42.000 All right.

00:52:43.000 So this is Fox News.

00:53:01.000 I think there should be a research that's completely done that took place hours, maybe a day, before anything went on.

00:53:09.000 Who could be there and pull that trigger and do it?

00:53:11.000 And I don't think it was George Sam, he was poor, broke, and he maybe was on medication a little bit loony boon, maybe a perfect person to pick and say they did it, and I don't think he did it at all.

00:53:21.000 So at this point, but did you see him taken into custody?

00:53:24.000 Did you see him with any kind of thing in his hand, any device in his hand or anything like that?

00:53:28.000 Yeah, I saw when they when they uh actually put the handcuffs behind his back, I followed him Jason Champions.

00:53:35.000 So that George Zinn guy, um, just for some context, he was a guy that called in a bomb threat on the I'm right over here.

00:53:35.000 Wow.

00:53:41.000 The guy that called the bomb threat in on the 2013 Salt Lake City Marathon, and everyone thought that was gonna be this guy, but that ended up being complete false false red herring, had nothing to do with him.

00:53:49.000 That's who this guy's talking about.

00:53:51.000 Man, a lot of weird you mentioned this is you mentioned the ghoulishness of social media.

00:53:57.000 Well, people were like passing around the clip, and this is gaining Millions of views, and this is the thing.

00:54:02.000 We are drawn to sex, drugs, and violence as people, as human beings, we feel the the need, and like people are digging around for all these morbid clips and they're tracking up hundreds of millions of views.

00:54:13.000 And you know, it's it's we're catching this guy in the most intimate moments of his life bleeding out in front of crowds of thousands of people recording him, and because he's this sort of celebrity, uh there's just something deeply wrong and strange, and it it feels like something we shouldn't be viewing in the capacity that we are able to do.

00:54:35.000 I agree that people have been saying maybe that this is like a demonic, a spiritual demonic war that we're in.

00:54:40.000 I wonder about this.

00:54:41.000 And this is maybe it's a bit esoteric, but is that the reason maybe part of the reason why we don't torture criminals to death anymore that we don't watch them scream for hours is because that's actually creating a demonic energy when you have hate and rage.

00:54:55.000 And yesterday when they people kept seeing videos of that girl getting her neck stabbed by that dude on the bus, that it was generating this bloodlust in people I've never seen before in mass like this.

00:55:05.000 Well, let me finish much.

00:55:06.000 And that it's creating that it's public.

00:55:08.000 It is setting up a spiritual stage for things like this.

00:55:10.000 And it's that's why why being calm is important, and why not to just give into the fervor right away.

00:55:17.000 We got the guy, let's string him up.

00:55:18.000 But I want to make sure we clarify, I don't think that I think this event was planned long before the story of Irina Zarutska became a national conversation.

00:55:29.000 Yes, I think that that's true.

00:55:30.000 And I also think that you know as opposed to capital punishment as I am, because I don't think it's up to man to take lives.

00:55:39.000 I think that that job belongs to God.

00:55:41.000 Um although in this case I'm I was kind of buoyed by Governor Cox's words, so you know that they still have the death penalty in Utah.

00:55:50.000 But um, you know, we're all human.

00:55:52.000 The uh it's real hard to be morally consistent, I'll tell you that.

00:55:55.000 It sure is, it sure is.

00:55:56.000 Um, but I think there's something to be said for public execution in terms of um it it uh deterring people.

00:56:04.000 I mean, you used to be able to like see people get executed by death penalty by like the electric chair, right?

00:56:10.000 Um Albert Camus talks about witnessing a public hanging.

00:56:15.000 Uh certainly in the colonies in Massachusetts, uh Nathaniel Hawthorne talks about um public hanging as a means of execution, you know.

00:56:24.000 Uh and it's in the Scarlet Letter, and it's it's it's brutal.

00:56:27.000 It's brutal just to read about, it's brutal to read when Camus talks about it.

00:56:31.000 And um I think there's something to be said for showing the punishment that comes to the perpetrators of these crimes as opposed to just constantly seeing the blood of innocent victims spilled on our streets.

00:56:46.000 You know, I mean if if you want bloodlust, go after the killers, stop going after the victims every time.

00:56:52.000 We've seen so much blood in the past few days, and the videos uh it's it's um I don't want to see more innocent people killed.

00:57:03.000 You know, if you want to satisfy a bloodlust America, like stage your executions.

00:57:08.000 We hear about executions, you know, we hear about Florida's killing people.

00:57:12.000 What was it, Alabama recently or Texas, you know, places that um do this.

00:57:17.000 I didn't grow up in a place that does that very often.

00:57:19.000 Uh and so we don't see it, we just read about it the next day, and we read about how perhaps the families of the victims were there to witness it, because often they're invited to witness something like that.

00:57:34.000 And I would I would far rather see public execution used as a kind of deterrent, kind of like Tim always says with the gang member and the diaper being forced to crawl down.

00:57:45.000 What is it?

00:57:46.000 Roosevelt?

00:57:46.000 Roosevelt.

00:57:47.000 Roosevelt, yeah.

00:57:48.000 Uh like that.

00:57:49.000 I'd rather see that.

00:57:50.000 I'd rather see someone in the stocks as barbaric as that is than see you know more of these uh blood fountains of the innocent soaking our our Twitter feeds. 1.00

00:58:01.000 I'm open to public executions.

00:58:03.000 I'm open to that to showing people like this is what you get, but torture executions I don't like.

00:58:09.000 Like stringing it out for hours.

00:58:11.000 It was an instant swift kill.

00:58:12.000 But that's what it's what it's always intended to be.

00:58:16.000 It's always intended to be that.

00:58:17.000 Nah, well, only recently did we stopped torturing in mass so gracious graciously.

00:58:21.000 And in what way what do you mean?

00:58:22.000 Well, until like 1680 and 1720, put people on a wheel and turn them until their bodies broke open.

00:58:28.000 Oh, all of that kind of stuff.

00:58:29.000 Sure.

00:58:30.000 But we think a lot of that is to do that in modern America.

00:58:33.000 I think so.

00:58:34.000 A lot of the ancient torture methods that people talk about were actually fiction.

00:58:38.000 Maybe too, yeah.

00:58:39.000 Because it's impractical.

00:58:40.000 Nobody's gonna waste money on.

00:58:41.000 Oh, they're doing it for joy.

00:58:42.000 They do it out of say that.

00:58:43.000 There was one thing they the the treadmill, for instance, was uh prisoners were forced to walk on a wheel.

00:58:49.000 That would it was a mill.

00:58:50.000 It would grind grains, and you'd walk for all day until you collapse.

00:58:54.000 Talk about the torture deaths.

00:58:56.000 They put a rat in a hot bucket, a metal bucket stuck to the guy's stomach, and then heat the bucket up.

00:59:00.000 The rat digs a hold in the back.

00:59:03.000 We do have uh, ladies and gentlemen, we have a uh statement from the president. 0.51

00:59:07.000 Donald Trump, uh, just about 10 minutes ago published this.

00:59:09.000 Let's uh let's play it.

00:59:10.000 To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah.

00:59:20.000 Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror.

00:59:28.000 Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America.

00:59:39.000 He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people.

00:59:43.000 He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth.

00:59:51.000 Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith.

00:59:55.000 And we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven.

01:00:01.000 Our prayers are with his wife, Erica, the two young, beloved children and his entire family who he loved more than anything in the world.

01:00:11.000 We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain.

01:00:17.000 This is a dark moment for America.

01:00:21.000 Charlie Kirk traveled the nation joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate.

01:00:29.000 His mission was to bring young people into the political process, which he did better than anybody ever.

01:00:37.000 To share his love of country and to spread the simple words of common sense.

01:00:43.000 On campuses nationwide, he championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace.

01:00:50.000 It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.

01:01:08.000 For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.

01:01:19.000 It's good that he's saying that.

01:01:20.000 This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.

01:01:31.000 My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.

01:01:52.000 From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father to the attacks on ICE agents to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others. 0.98

01:02:09.000 Damn, he's going to be able to do that. 0.98

01:02:10.000 Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. 0.99

01:02:17.000 Tonight I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, the values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God.

01:02:33.000 Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country.

01:02:40.000 An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.

01:02:53.000 Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it's not even close.

01:03:03.000 May God bless his memory.

01:03:07.000 And may God bless the United States of America.

01:03:11.000 Thank you.

01:03:12.000 I just want to say it kind of seemed like Trump was holding back.

01:03:17.000 A little emotion there in the uh in the beginning.

01:03:20.000 Well, they were friends, right?

01:03:21.000 Yeah.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 And it's it's just great statement from Donald Trump.

01:03:28.000 I I I I appreciate it.

01:03:30.000 It's it's it was a good.

01:03:32.000 Yeah, it's really strong.

01:03:34.000 I I need to be said.

01:03:36.000 It's like it's like MLK.

01:03:37.000 It's this is like, why would anyone kill that guy?

01:03:41.000 And then it's just a political power.

01:03:43.000 They because they want the reaction.

01:03:45.000 Like we talked like they want the right to overreact.

01:03:50.000 The point is if they go after him, the right will get incensed, and then the right will overreact, and then they can say, We're victims, we're victims, feel bad for us.

01:04:00.000 They have been losing and losing and losing and losing.

01:04:03.000 They need something to turn the tide back to them again.

01:04:06.000 So that way they're they they will win these political engagements.

01:04:09.000 Or lost over and there's more, I think there's a little more to it than that.

01:04:14.000 I think that um I think that the left in America right.

01:04:19.000 Well, also because he's effective. 0.99

01:04:20.000 Yeah, the left in America right now can't stand that one by one, the stupid things that they have imposed on us are being dismantled. 0.99

01:04:28.000 Our team is getting death threats right now. 0.99

01:04:29.000 And what?

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 And there are demons among us, and these people are demonically possessed.

01:04:35.000 No, I mean I think that's true.

01:04:37.000 Fair enough, yeah.

01:04:38.000 I'm I'm being told that our team is getting death threats actively right now.

01:04:42.000 Well, this was a beautiful speech from the president.

01:04:46.000 However, I don't think it convinced one person who believes that the president is a Nazi that he is no longer a Nazi.

01:04:55.000 No, I thought that also like he's reinforcing their own.

01:04:59.000 On love or something, like his behavior, they're like, Oh, there goes the Nazis saying the Nazi thing again.

01:05:04.000 I was getting that look on what he was doing just then.

01:05:07.000 Like if you if you hate him and you've already decided you hate him, and anything he says is a lie and it's actually evil, like no amount of outpouring of love.

01:05:14.000 Well, I can't say no amount, but it's hard to for for a speech like this from Donald Trump to change someone in a and if he was holding back emotions, you know, like what's he gonna do, come on TV and break down and cry.

01:05:25.000 Maybe that was like his third attempt at making the video.

01:05:27.000 Right.

01:05:28.000 But it does seem early on like you can kind of you can kind of see it a little bit.

01:05:33.000 I mean, they were friends.

01:05:35.000 Getting back to the comments earlier.

01:05:37.000 I mean, the radical left, they can't operate in the sphere that Charlie Kirk was operating in effectively because their policies are nonsense.

01:05:50.000 That was uh Charlie Kirk would just run circles around them.

01:05:55.000 And and that's why he was an icon.

01:05:59.000 And uh this is a huge loss.

01:06:04.000 I know, I know you know, I was saying this earlier.

01:06:08.000 This will immortalize the the vision of of uh uh Charlie Kirk.

01:06:15.000 They have martyred him.

01:06:17.000 Uh he was a man of faith.

01:06:19.000 They have there will be murals, and there will be people sharing his message, but he was more than that, and this is what has me worried is that he was a powerful business mind.

01:06:31.000 He knew how to build a machine better than anybody else, and that's an amazing job.

01:06:36.000 They go after him not just because of his effectiveness, but he was once in a thousand years kind of guy.

01:06:42.000 He's it's this is a generational who's so courageous.

01:06:48.000 I'm gonna give an example from you know, I'm from Wyoming, and the debates we've had over the last 15 years as I've been involved in public policy.

01:06:55.000 So we're in COVID, and uh things are shut down.

01:07:01.000 Uh in May, things start to open back up.

01:07:04.000 We were you know trying to get things moving again.

01:07:08.000 Charlie Kirk comes to the Wyoming State GOP convention, and he opens up and he says, This is probably the biggest event that has happened in the world in the last two months.

01:07:21.000 And we are going to reopen back up.

01:07:24.000 I mean he had such courage, uh charisma, And uh that was a huge moment, I can tell you where I'm from.

01:07:34.000 I mean, that that moment in the in the COVID debate was a inflection point.

01:07:40.000 We were talking about it a little bit before the show.

01:07:42.000 Charlie Kirk is probably the second most influential person on the right um behind the president, behind President Trump.

01:07:49.000 And uh it's really hard to exaggerate his influence between turning point and turning point action and all the people he employs and the cultural relevance of his show and then these campus events and how much he fundraises for different people and he was involved in all these different campaigns.

01:08:03.000 Uh do we have something pulled up here?

01:08:07.000 Oh, I just pulled up a tweet.

01:08:08.000 I don't know.

01:08:09.000 What were you saying?

01:08:10.000 Anyways.

01:08:12.000 No, it's just uh he was probably the most influential person on the right behind the president.

01:08:16.000 What do you guys think?

01:08:17.000 I think he was.

01:08:18.000 I think that that was maybe why he was targeted uh if he was targeted.

01:08:22.000 Well, obviously he was targeted, but if if the political machine was afraid who's who's coming after Trump.

01:08:32.000 Well, but I mean Vance.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, I mean Vance is the vice president.

01:08:36.000 So Vance is clearly next in line in 2028.

01:08:39.000 But who's the Charlie Kirk was only 31.

01:08:41.000 But he yeah, I know.

01:08:42.000 He's the but Charlie's the guy that moves mountains.

01:08:45.000 He's the guy that people believe and will follow to the end.

01:08:49.000 In 13, 14 years, you know?

01:08:52.000 I mean he was going to be the king of that political.

01:08:52.000 Yeah.

01:08:55.000 And he kind of got Trump elected.

01:08:56.000 Like he not single-handedly, but efforts of great.

01:08:59.000 Oh, I think he's turning point, yeah.

01:09:00.000 I think he did out the youth vote.

01:09:02.000 He got out the youth vote.

01:09:03.000 Yeah, RNC advantage.

01:09:06.000 He made it fun.

01:09:07.000 Like the the videos of him at these events at colleges were something you wanted to be a part of.

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:13.000 That it's it's it's incredible.

01:09:15.000 And that's what they feared about him.

01:09:17.000 He was it was cool.

01:09:19.000 Yeah.

01:09:20.000 He built this machine.

01:09:21.000 That's hard enough.

01:09:23.000 He was he built a culture, and that's hard enough.

01:09:27.000 He's one of the most effective political figures of our generation or of the past hundred years.

01:09:35.000 Yeah, I mean I think that I do think that the reason that they they went after him is because of how effective he was.

01:09:42.000 I mean, how how long was Turning Points uh an organization?

01:09:46.000 2014.

01:09:47.000 Five years, six years, something like that.

01:09:48.000 Or was it was it they think it started because he was 17 in 2011 there there's a tweet going around where Charlie Kirk was tweeting at Glenn Beck in 2011 and he was 17 years old.

01:09:58.000 So 2012 oh really 2012.

01:09:58.000 2012.

01:10:00.000 Wow.

01:10:00.000 So it launched Unity.

01:10:04.000 You know, I mean, so it's like in just over 10 years, he built this massive, massive influential organization that, you know, without question had an impact on getting the president elected.

01:10:16.000 2023 revenue for TP USA.

01:10:18.000 What's your guess?

01:10:20.000 500.

01:10:22.000 Uh 81 million dollars.

01:10:24.000 500.

01:10:24.000 I think I thought they were I thought they were they were they were doing well, you know.

01:10:28.000 So that's incredible.

01:10:29.000 What I like about geez, Charlie is that he uh he wasn't really uh into spectacle.

01:10:36.000 I mean, he was, he knew how to lay it out, but he didn't seek it.

01:10:40.000 He didn't like try and get anything.

01:10:42.000 He was just being himself.

01:10:44.000 And people believed in him so much that they supported him building a an arena for it.

01:10:51.000 The other thing I think that was really effective in Charlie's message is he would come on college campuses.

01:10:57.000 I mean, I I'm a millennial, right?

01:11:00.000 And uh in time I was growing up, it was all about college.

01:11:04.000 He had to go to college.

01:11:06.000 Charlie would come and he would say, Look, if you're if you're gonna be here, you need to try to dedicate yourself to what you want to be doing.

01:11:15.000 Try to have a direction.

01:11:17.000 And it's not necessarily college isn't necessarily for everybody.

01:11:22.000 And I think in terms of uh moving towards technical schools, some of the work the Trump administration is doing on that.

01:11:29.000 Uh Charlie is a great communicator of of that point, and and it's the truth.

01:11:37.000 It was another thing that that he really brought to the equation.

01:11:40.000 He went to college.

01:11:40.000 He just did it in a way on his terms.

01:11:42.000 Right.

01:11:42.000 He he didn't go to school.

01:11:44.000 He was certainly not uneducated.

01:11:46.000 He was extraordinary educated.

01:11:48.000 He he went to college in in the way that that is cool.

01:11:50.000 You go there and debate the kids on the campus.

01:11:51.000 Right.

01:11:51.000 And it was his own his own personal great book series.

01:11:54.000 His wife?

01:11:55.000 His own personal great book series, you know.

01:11:58.000 Great books.

01:11:59.000 Like he just read everything.

01:12:00.000 He said you need to be focused, and he uh was a great communicator of of the Christian faith and the love of of you know Jesus and and uh prayer and I mean that was one of his messages uh in back in April when he came uh for one of his live events in in Wyoming, he focused.

01:12:21.000 I remember one exchange where that was really that really came out.

01:12:26.000 Charlie's wife and and children were there.

01:12:28.000 They were in Utah?

01:12:29.000 They were in attendance.

01:12:31.000 I didn't he they don't always go.

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 Oh, that's awful.

01:12:36.000 He was uh I I agree with what you're saying about his his his devotion to the Lord to the Christian ethos, and he but he was also like open to letting me splay out all my disbelief, and he just listened.

01:12:49.000 He loved it that I was willing to challenge him.

01:12:52.000 And um I wish we'd gone deeper.

01:12:54.000 Yeah, you frustrated him.

01:12:56.000 Oh, I'd just gotten started, baby.

01:12:57.000 I was ready to frustrate him for it was very frustrating all the way down.

01:13:01.000 Ian fell off the stage at turning point USA because he didn't look where he was walking.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, didn't do a didn't do a once over the stage before the show.

01:13:08.000 My bad.

01:13:09.000 Pilot error.

01:13:11.000 I I thought Ian was gonna be seriously hurt because it's like a five foot drop.

01:13:15.000 He was walking backwards and just off the stage.

01:13:18.000 It's magnetically elevated.

01:13:20.000 They call it effortless movement in uh in uh and what is it in uh that religion in the east somewhere.

01:13:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:13:28.000 What's that Taoism?

01:13:30.000 Effortless move movement is like a blessing in Taoism.

01:13:33.000 You move with the flow.

01:13:34.000 But the the energy lifted me up as I fell.

01:13:37.000 That was my point.

01:13:38.000 I don't know what happens tomorrow.

01:13:40.000 I thought about Charlie was alive yesterday.

01:13:42.000 Like I'm thinking eight hours ago he was fine, or ten hours ago.

01:13:46.000 He was tweeting.

01:13:47.000 We were just talking about the murder of Arena Zarutka and this this this random killing.

01:13:55.000 And the media uh Van Jones called him a race monger, called him out.

01:14:00.000 The joke I made last night about Van Jones was that he singled out Charlie Kirk when we're all sitting right here.

01:14:07.000 We had we had a we had a bunch of people on the show.

01:14:09.000 It's like each and every one of us is criticized in all the same way, and I was joking.

01:14:12.000 But Van Jones was saying Charlie Kirk is a race monger for daring to bring this up.

01:14:16.000 That was shocking that he did that.

01:14:18.000 We ran a story on that because I thought that that was absolutely out of control that he did that.

01:14:23.000 And all of these people claiming white supremacists are the root of all evil, and by it was by I was on Charlie Kirk's show this morning with Andrew Colvet, his producer, talking exactly about Arena Zarutska and talking about all of this stuff and this rhetoric about you know, white supremacists commit all of these crimes.

01:14:41.000 And we were looking at the data and it's not there.

01:14:43.000 Like the data just isn't there, you know, that they're referring to.

01:14:46.000 They're talking about 2022 when white supremacy was defined by the Biden administration to be like anything, right?

01:14:53.000 They had like they had like um the what was it, the pulse nightclub shooting?

01:14:59.000 They had that listed as white supremacy.

01:14:59.000 Yep.

01:15:02.000 And it's like that Islamic terror attack.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, like all of this stuff.

01:15:04.000 Right.

01:15:06.000 And um, or maybe it wasn't that way, it was in Colorado.

01:15:09.000 Anyway, I don't have all of my facts straight on it.

01:15:12.000 But the Biden administration said the Biden FBI said that white supremacy and uh white supremacist domestic extremism was like the biggest threat facing the country.

01:15:23.000 And that was just a blatant outright lie.

01:15:25.000 They were going after that FBI was targeting Christians.

01:15:28.000 Like we have the memos.

01:15:30.000 Jim Jordan looked into it.

01:15:31.000 That was literally happening.

01:15:32.000 And then just a few years later, these leftists who are no longer in power, who no longer have the deep state at their command, who no longer have the FBI to run cover for their racism, are out here killing honorable men.

01:15:48.000 I was thinking yesterday about crime stats because there was a kind of a conversation last night. 0.69

01:15:52.000 And one of the things I noticed about crime stats, like, say, Say in the past, 30%, 30 times more crime was committed by black men in this neighborhood. 0.96

01:16:00.000 And then but the error is when people's like, therefore, you as a black man in the future are 30 times more likely to commit a crime. 0.71

01:16:07.000 No, the past doesn't dictate future behavior.

01:16:10.000 It indicates what happened.

01:16:11.000 Well, and every man gets to make his own decisions.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:14.000 And and that kids need to know that.

01:16:16.000 They should not feel like because I'm in this, it means that it's like you can extricate yourself from the situation, you can change.

01:16:22.000 You're not a statistic.

01:16:24.000 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 But also there is a correlation, and you know, why is there correlation of violence in certain communities?

01:16:30.000 It could be due to like I think a lot of it is people want to throw money at poverty and get them out of poverty, but it's like what is the money buy?

01:16:36.000 And the main thing you should be buying is nutrition because generationally, if generationally, if you have nutrition, your kids will develop the phone.

01:16:42.000 Well, they don't like that either, right?

01:16:43.000 I mean, the leftists are angry at RFK Jr. for doing that.

01:16:46.000 Well, let me feel your kids will develop IQ, and over time, people with high IQ will become creative and they'll solve the problems around them lifting themselves out of poverty naturally.

01:16:54.000 So I want to I want to share I share with you guys this clip from that that's MSNBC.

01:16:59.000 This is this, of course, is before they knew that uh he had died, but I want to show you this.

01:17:03.000 MSNBC has issued an apology.

01:17:05.000 I believe it was for this clip, but let me play this clip for you.

01:17:06.000 Yes, then lead to hateful actions.

01:17:09.000 And I think that's the environment we're in that that people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.

01:17:20.000 And that's the fortunate line hearing for his own.

01:17:23.000 I Turning Point USA has confirmed that he was shot.

01:17:27.000 Um and there are a number of the You can't uh say these awful things and not expect an awful reaction.

01:17:35.000 So MSNBC issued a statement during our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate and sensitive and acceptable.

01:17:45.000 He apologized for his statements, as has he.

01:17:47.000 There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise.

01:17:53.000 It is it's funny that they're now issuing these these apologies, but the entire time that MSNBC lied and claimed that Trump was a spy of a foreign country, that his supporters were white supremacists that have bubbled up to this degree, they only now, after years of pushing this, say, oops, about one thing one guy said that uh today.

01:18:18.000 Yeah.

01:18:20.000 And they've pushed this same rhetoric day in, day out.

01:18:26.000 Almost every single one of their on-air personalities has been pushing this day in and day out.

01:18:34.000 And they will swear up and down that the right are guilty of stochastic terrorism, while they have done everything they can to demonize everyone on the right.

01:18:45.000 Again, Charlie Kirk, who is very milked, average everyday Republican, not extreme in any way, and they will call him all of these horrible things because he has opinions that are different to theirs.

01:19:01.000 And it's it's it's unconscionable that this is a continu that they continue to do it because they're gonna do it tomorrow.

01:19:08.000 Like they're not gonna stop.

01:19:10.000 Like I wish they would, but the same people are gonna make the same comments tomorrow.

01:19:15.000 There's this, there's you see it on X all the time.

01:19:19.000 The it is the the only silver lining that I see is most of our politicians, most of the Democrat politicians have had reasonable responses.

01:19:30.000 Not all of them. 0.58

01:19:31.000 AI AOC has said some garbage stuff.

01:19:34.000 Um, how about on the House floor? 0.99

01:19:36.000 That was disgusting.

01:19:37.000 Exactly.

01:19:38.000 Not all of them, but most of them have had reasonable responses to this.

01:19:44.000 A few of them have said, well, you know, it's a gun control problem, which is infuriating.

01:19:49.000 Um thankfully, at least the politicians are smart enough to make to have a reasonable response. 0.98

01:19:56.000 But when it comes to uh pundits and and other people on the left, it is the same garbage celebrating the this murder. 0.99

01:20:06.000 This is it's it's just it's disheartening and it's disgusting. 0.97

01:20:10.000 The the comment from many people throughout uh my earlier stream and many in the chat right now is civil war.

01:20:20.000 Uh there was a comment someone made uh earlier that I I should just put it like this.

01:20:25.000 You you go on X. You look in the chat, everybody is saying that this is a catalyst moment.

01:20:33.000 I have an ex post that's going viral.

01:20:35.000 I'm not gonna read it.

01:20:36.000 It has 15 million views, 15,800 retweets, reposts, in which a Democratic socialist celebrates the death of Charlie, says it's good, advocates for more.

01:20:50.000 And my concern is this this sentiment celebrating it.

01:20:56.000 They celebrated Luigi Luigi Manjione.

01:20:59.000 As y'all were Pointing out earlier that they're going to, when they find out who this shooter is, he may they're they're gonna make him a millionaire.

01:21:07.000 They're gonna give him he's he's he's he's gonna want for nothing.

01:21:09.000 They're gonna celebrate him like some kind of hero.

01:21:10.000 This is I went to Northern Ireland, and they have the peace wall.

01:21:18.000 On one side is pro-Israel, and the other side is pro-Palestine.

01:21:21.000 And I asked one of the guys, one of the locals, how does that make sense?

01:21:25.000 Ireland.

01:21:25.000 And he says, none of it makes sense.

01:21:26.000 It's just one side hates the other.

01:21:28.000 He showed me this location where I don't know the full details.

01:21:31.000 I'm sure those of you that are watching know much better than I. But it was a memorial to civilian citizens who were massacred.

01:21:37.000 Several guys with guns during the troubles just went and just shot up some public location, killing a bunch of innocent people.

01:21:43.000 And one side celebrated it.

01:21:45.000 They did not care who was killed or why they were killed, just that their enemy was killed.

01:21:49.000 These people on the left don't know anything about Charlie.

01:21:53.000 There's a really great video called This Video, I believe I believe it's called This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Gray.

01:21:58.000 It's an oldie, but it's a goodie.

01:22:00.000 And he explains that online there are communities that are forming.

01:22:04.000 And he makes this point he says no matter which community you think this is about, it is not about you.

01:22:09.000 I am not talking about you and those you're disagreeing with.

01:22:12.000 But he points out that it seems like there's two groups yelling at each other.

01:22:18.000 That's not what's happening.

01:22:19.000 In fact, what's happening is there are two groups yelling to each other about the other.

01:22:25.000 These leftists don't actually know what Charlie believes.

01:22:28.000 They don't know what he stands for.

01:22:30.000 They only know what was told of them by another psychopath about Charlie, which is likely incorrect. 0.93

01:22:35.000 This leads them to radicalization, where they then go and kill a good man.

01:22:40.000 I'm not the only one who deals with this.

01:22:42.000 Other prominent personalities deal with this.

01:22:45.000 But we recently started working with a guy who said when people found out he was working with with us, they started saying that, oh, you gotta watch out for Tim Poole because he does this, that, this, and otherwise, and saying things about me that were just completely false.

01:22:56.000 And he was like, That's not true.

01:22:57.000 It's like I met him.

01:22:58.000 That none of that's true.

01:22:59.000 What are you saying?

01:23:00.000 But they just make it up.

01:23:01.000 They tell each other, and they create a fake image of who Charlie is, who we are, what we believe.

01:23:08.000 They get radicalized by it. 0.98

01:23:10.000 Then they are told by MSNBC and the New York Times and CNN and Van Jones, white supremacist, fascists, hate mongers. 0.99

01:23:18.000 Let me put it like this. 0.95

01:23:20.000 Back in the day, if you saw, if there was like a neo-Nazi guy, literally with tattoos, walking around causing problems, people in the community would be like, hey man, we don't want you around here.

01:23:32.000 Get out of here. 0.98

01:23:33.000 A genuine, violent white supremacist screaming and yelling and threatening black people or whatever. 1.00

01:23:38.000 People are gonna be like, get out of here. 1.00

01:23:39.000 We don't want that.

01:23:40.000 We don't tolerate that.

01:23:41.000 That's still true to this day among most of us.

01:23:43.000 We we don't want to tolerate.

01:23:44.000 There was a man who showed up to a patriot prayer event several years ago in Portland, screaming the N-word and throwing up Hitler salutes.

01:23:50.000 And the Patriot Prayer kicked him out.

01:23:52.000 They said, get out of here. 0.90

01:23:53.000 We don't want any of that.

01:23:54.000 We don't want violent racists coming in here.

01:23:57.000 That feeling you get when you're confronted by a psychopath, that feeling that you understand of why you would not want to associate with that person.

01:24:07.000 These radicalized leftists are told that about you, about me, about Ian, about Libby, about Phil.

01:24:13.000 So imagine the most vile person you can think of that you would not want to associate with.

01:24:18.000 The left genuinely genuinely believes you are that.

01:24:22.000 And when you go to them and say, You're not a white supremacist and you actually don't like white supremacy, they're also trained.

01:24:30.000 You're lying to them to trick them.

01:24:32.000 So there's nothing you can say to convince them.

01:24:34.000 So what happens?

01:24:35.000 Charlie Kirk is killed by these radicals, and on X right now, all of these viral posts are lying about who he is and using it to justify why they did what they did.

01:24:45.000 And to encourage more.

01:24:49.000 What do we do about it?

01:24:51.000 I wish I had answers, dude.

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 Think about like a global war between communism and liberalism.

01:24:59.000 And uh we're like pawns on the board, man.

01:25:01.000 But how do you how do you win that war?

01:25:04.000 And then I guess you you can also think of it from the ground up, you know.

01:25:08.000 Eat healthy, be kind to your kids.

01:25:12.000 Amen.

01:25:13.000 Um I hate to quote communists, but to quote the most famous communists Mao, um, political power comes down the barrel of the gun.

01:25:21.000 And I'm unsettled.

01:25:23.000 Am I misquoting?

01:25:24.000 No, no, go on, please.

01:25:25.000 I'm unsettled by how unfortunately true it is, So it seems uh that the difference a disenfranchised lunatic could make a motivated person, a person who's motivated and armed, how much damage they could do.

01:25:42.000 Um it was proven with the guy who got um a target on the president.

01:25:47.000 Um, you know, we've been seeing this with Luigi Magioni, we've been seeing this with the embassy workers, um, the Israeli embassy workers in DC.

01:25:55.000 Uh, we've been seeing attacks on Steve Scalise, that was quite a while ago.

01:26:00.000 But you know, the damage one motivated person can do is so detrimental to the fabric of our society.

01:26:09.000 Um, I feel like this will inevitably lead to more political violence.

01:26:13.000 Well on the the point of political violence, right?

01:26:19.000 We should not endorse political violence from individuals, but it's worth noting Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the office of the president, and the government has a monopoly on violence.

01:26:42.000 The government, the government, the government, well, they do, yes.

01:26:45.000 They uh legally they do.

01:26:47.000 Legally, but clearly not in practice here.

01:26:50.000 What do you so you're what are you saying that they don't?

01:26:52.000 So listen, I'm saying the government doesn't have a monopoly on power because we have the second amendment in beliefs.

01:26:57.000 The idea shot up all the time.

01:26:58.000 The idea of a monopoly on violence means that if they use violence, they will not actually go to jail.

01:26:58.000 Stop.

01:27:06.000 You're just trying to distract what I'm saying with BS.

01:27:09.000 The government has a monopoly on violence.

01:27:11.000 Okay, that's not actually in question.

01:27:13.000 Whether or not they execute it or use it, that's that that depends on whether or not the president or the Congress or the DOJ will do their duty.

01:27:25.000 The point that I'm trying to make is while the conservatives have control of the government, they need to exercise power in whatever ways they can.

01:27:36.000 So I don't see a problem with actually trying to use the government to punish people that are engaging in inflammatory rhetoric because they're trying to incite violence, right? 0.99

01:27:49.000 If you're out here, if you're out here saying, Oh, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi. 0.74

01:27:54.000 The point of that, the intent, the reason they're saying it is because they want to incite this type of behavior. 0.98

01:28:02.000 That's incitement and that's illegal.

01:28:05.000 So maybe the government should start saying, unless you actually have some kind of evidence that someone's a Nazi, maybe the government should go and say, you're actually by calling people Nazi all the time, you're trying to incite violence, and we're gonna arrest you.

01:28:17.000 That's antithetical.

01:28:17.000 you.

01:28:19.000 That's basically what Trump just said. 0.74

01:28:20.000 Those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.

01:28:28.000 This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our And it must stop right now.

01:28:35.000 So maybe the government should exercise the power that it has.

01:28:38.000 Maybe the government should make it illegal to call people Nazis.

01:28:38.000 So what?

01:28:41.000 I'm not happy with how this played out, obviously, but like I don't think there's a clear-cut solution.

01:28:46.000 I don't think there's a clear-cut solution for the government to play here.

01:28:50.000 I don't think the government could play uh have a clear solution here again when you have a motivated deranged individual who wants to kill somebody with a firearm.

01:28:50.000 Wait, if I could finish.

01:28:58.000 We have the second amendment in this country not talking about taking anyone's firearm, no one's right away.

01:29:03.000 No, but Phil, I'm trying to explain that I I got I don't think the government could do anything here given the freedoms of our country and the motivations of a deranged lunatic.

01:29:12.000 Perhaps it's illegal to punch a Nazi is incitement to violence.

01:29:16.000 You're not seriously advocating that we make it illegal to say punch a Nazi.

01:29:20.000 It's already illegal.

01:29:21.000 It is incitement to violence.

01:29:22.000 We don't have to do anything.

01:29:25.000 If if you tell someone, if you say in a single sentence, so this is the problem.

01:29:29.000 That's why they call it stochastic terrorism.

01:29:31.000 Free the limit of free speech is a clear and imminent threat, giving someone instruction, time and place, and a target.

01:29:38.000 If you just say you should do this thing, it's not uh illegal.

01:29:44.000 So punch a Nazi in and of itself is not incitement. 0.94

01:29:47.000 If you said in the same sentence, Phil is a Nazi, punch a Nazi, then be like more instructional. 0.97

01:29:54.000 When they're saying Trump's a Nazi, but this is the point is that. 0.98

01:29:56.000 That's what we've been getting.

01:29:57.000 We've been getting time and place, right?

01:29:59.000 Like when I go out to when I go out to pro when I've gone out to protest and covered stuff, and when I've gone out to protest to speak up for women, right?

01:30:06.000 And you have people there going, punch a turf, and like I'm gonna get you layering it.

01:30:12.000 They're layering it.

01:30:12.000 So the point is there.

01:30:14.000 They are who they mean.

01:30:15.000 The left has successfully navigated our legal system to destroy us every step of the way.

01:30:20.000 So you will get 100 people in on one side of the street screaming, punch a Nazi, which they know is protected, and the other side will point at a lot and say, That's the Nazi.

01:30:30.000 Neither of them have spoken the single singular thing.

01:30:33.000 And then they are they are telling everybody without saying it individually.

01:30:37.000 And we saw this in action in 2017 at Trump's first inauguration, when they instructed everybody, these these direct action far left groups to wear all black masks, jeans, hoodies, et cetera, show up in DC and engage in acts of violence.

01:30:51.000 And then they did.

01:30:52.000 They set a limousine on fire, they set fires in the street, they smashed windows, they attacked people, they flipped garbage cans.

01:30:57.000 And when the police arrested the group surrounding them all, that group filed a lawsuit against the government and won.

01:31:06.000 Because in the courts, our liberal, beautiful justice system, despite looking in the eyes of all of these people they knew intentionally wore these clothes and brought weapons and damaged and destroyed, they said, our legal system requires you prove the individual did it.

01:31:25.000 And when the police officer would say, I saw that guy do it, and I grabbed him and I arrested him, they would just simply say to the judge of the jury, how many other people there were wearing the exact same clothes?

01:31:37.000 To which the officer says, 200.

01:31:39.000 And they go, Is it then not reasonable to conclude this officer may have grabbed the wrong person by mistake who is innocent?

01:31:46.000 And they'll go, Yep.

01:31:48.000 So it is now no it is no longer beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:31:51.000 In fact, it's hard to know whether or not the cop was right when he said he grabbed the right guy, because too many people are wearing the same clothes.

01:31:56.000 So the government said, charge them with conspiracy.

01:31:59.000 They did this intentionally together to cover up the crimes committed by the people in their group who intended to engage in violence, and they failed.

01:32:08.000 Then, because of the arrest, the organiz the organizers, and I think it might was probably like the ACLU or lawyers, one of these liberal organizations, press organizations, sued the city they want to think it was a million dollars.

01:32:20.000 This system cannot survive.

01:32:22.000 Now, I love the English common law system that we have, it makes total sense to protect the innocent.

01:32:28.000 But communists looked at our plan and said, we can find every hole and break it.

01:32:34.000 And they are.

01:32:35.000 And there's no there's no there's no simple solution.

01:32:38.000 This is why there is weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, because there will come a time when a culture begins to break down.

01:32:49.000 Everything we're describing is a bifurcation of American culture where one side says we must destroy the other.

01:32:54.000 The other side says, please leave me alone, or slow down their democrats.

01:32:59.000 They are actively working through our legal system, breaking it at every step, knowing how to exploit it, and we sit back and say there's nothing we can do about it.

01:33:07.000 Because the reality is, if we decide you can't call people Nazis, the people over there that are screaming punch a Nazi, you know what, we're gonna arrest you now because it is incitement.

01:33:15.000 The people over there saying those are Nazis, we're gonna call that incitement.

01:33:18.000 They're gonna clap and cheer because they've won.

01:33:20.000 They've destroyed our form of government, they've proved that we can't make it work.

01:33:23.000 They've already done that then.

01:33:24.000 That's my point.

01:33:25.000 My that's my point.

01:33:26.000 So so the reaction then is national guard goes on the streets and we are in the worst place imaginable, but at least they're not shooting us anymore.

01:33:33.000 Well, I mean, that is better than people shooting us or getting into gunfights, right?

01:33:38.000 Like the the if the option is you have you have to use the authority in the government.

01:33:48.000 What?

01:33:49.000 Oh, finish your point.

01:33:50.000 No, well, if the option, if the option is that the power that the government has cannot be exercised, then there is then there you're leaving people with no other recourse other than to take the law into their own hands.

01:34:04.000 That and that's not what we want to see.

01:34:06.000 We don't want to go in either direction of anarcho-tyranny or tyranny.

01:34:09.000 And so the argument right now is Trump should deploy the National Guard to stop crime, and it is horrifying that he has to.

01:34:17.000 The ACLU press release, April 26th, 2021, DC to pay 1.6 million dollars to settle claims from 2017 inauguration day demonstrators.

01:34:28.000 People who showed up, I was there.

01:34:30.000 I was in the group that got arrested.

01:34:32.000 I got released because while I was in this group of largely violent far left extremists, journalists who were in there screaming at the cops at the top of their lungs and spinning on them, in advertis, not intentionally spitting, but like they're screaming in spits flying out.

01:34:48.000 I went to the side on the right.

01:34:51.000 I said to the officer standing there that was holding the entire group in with my hands up.

01:34:55.000 Just want to let you know I'm a journalist.

01:34:56.000 I have my press card with me.

01:34:57.000 And the cop looks past me and he just he just nods.

01:35:00.000 And then I said, if possible, I'd like to notify a supervisor.

01:35:04.000 And then the cop ignores me.

01:35:07.000 Eventually, one of the guys behind him says, okay, hold on.

01:35:09.000 He yells to a cop, Lieutenant Washington walks over.

01:35:12.000 I remember his name.

01:35:13.000 And this is 2017.

01:35:14.000 And he says, What do you need?

01:35:16.000 And I said, I just want to let you know I am a journalist.

01:35:18.000 I have my press credentials with me.

01:35:19.000 He goes, doesn't matter, you're all under arrest.

01:35:20.000 And I said, I'm just letting you know that's my job.

01:35:24.000 After about an hour, he walks over, there's a local news crew, and he says, Who are the journalists?

01:35:31.000 And I wave, they wave.

01:35:32.000 He removes us all, and he lets us go.

01:35:34.000 Because that's how you handle it.

01:35:36.000 Journalists who were with the extremists who masquerade as journalists are screaming in the face of the cops.

01:35:41.000 They got arrested and then claimed their rights were violated.

01:35:44.000 Being with the protesters and screaming in the face of cops is not going to get you.

01:35:47.000 So you shouldn't have been arrested, fine.

01:35:48.000 But I was there.

01:35:49.000 I watched these people set fires.

01:35:51.000 I watched them smash windows.

01:35:53.000 They all wore the same clothes.

01:35:56.000 I know many of these people from Occupy.

01:36:00.000 I have been in their meetings where they say black block tactics.

01:36:04.000 We all dress the same because then they can't convict us.

01:36:08.000 And they got away with it.

01:36:10.000 And they got paid 1.6 million dollars.

01:36:12.000 A system like that will not survive.

01:36:15.000 And that's what we're dealing with right now.

01:36:18.000 Secretary of State Gray, what do you think about all this stuff?

01:36:21.000 How are we supposed to handle cases like this?

01:36:24.000 Well, I think you know, for one, I think Charlie, what he did with the debate on the college campuses.

01:36:33.000 I understand what you're saying about live events earlier, Tim.

01:36:36.000 But what you talked about very eloquently about your show, the audience you have, the audience Charlie had with this show, which we had on our stations in Wyoming, because we have stations and we syndicated his show for uh on on those on those AM stations.

01:36:55.000 That is a big part of uh, you know, the answer in in terms of getting our arguments out there.

01:37:02.000 And and I think the other thing too that's really important to emphasize is you know, Charlie was a was a person that really believed in in history and legacy and our country.

01:37:15.000 Like I I think back to one of the other events that he did in uh with the Republican Party, and Lynn Frees, Foster Freeze, Lynn Freeze's husband was one of the first donors, the first donor to Turning Point, and uh was heavily involved in providing, you know, uh the capital and the resources to to get Charlie's idea off the ground.

01:37:40.000 And Foster passed away in 2021.

01:37:45.000 And uh to raise funds for the party, there was an auction for Foster's uh desk.

01:37:53.000 And Charlie was there, he gave the speech at that event, and he said, That's the desk where Foster told me that uh turning point uh that he was gonna help fund turning point to get it off the ground.

01:38:09.000 And he uh bid on that auction item and uh took that item home.

01:38:17.000 And it it showed me, you know, one of the things I I really think uh driving out here thinking about Charlie is is how much he really believed in legacy and and history and uh the foundations of our country.

01:38:34.000 He wants our country to succeed, and and we have to make sure as we evaluate these issues that you know we think about it uh in terms of of that lens, that vein.

01:38:48.000 Yeah, I I don't see a lot of success in the future.

01:38:54.000 You know, um again.

01:38:58.000 They killed the guy that was beating them at the argument.

01:39:03.000 And if you can't actually have a conversation without you know ending up dying on stage, you're you're there's not a lot of room, there's not a lot of direction left you can go.

01:39:19.000 A lot of this I remember uh uh a lot of that aspect of um not being able to talk to someone because you disagree with them.

01:39:27.000 I remember that distinctly starting in the 90s when I was in high school and then in college, um, and there was this idea that if you disagreed with somebody, or if somebody disagreed with you, right, and you thought that that person who disagreed with you was on the wrong side of history, right? 0.99

01:39:46.000 This stupid idiotic phrase. 1.00

01:39:48.000 That's an idiotic phrase. 1.00

01:39:49.000 Yes, was on the wrong side of history, then you could say, stop. 1.00

01:39:52.000 I don't even need to talk to you anymore because you are a racist, you're homophobic, you're whatever, eventually you're transphobic, right?

01:40:00.000 And so there was this idea that you don't even have to engage the other side of your argument if you can just blanketly say that argument is not worth having because your perspective is wrong. 0.95

01:40:12.000 And I I remember this perspective coming from friends' parents, right?

01:40:18.000 From friends, from um other students, from professors.

01:40:22.000 There was this idea of like, I don't have to talk to you.

01:40:26.000 I have now decided that you are ex-ist problem.

01:40:29.000 Yep.

01:40:30.000 And I don't have to talk to you.

01:40:31.000 And I remember at the time being like pretty grossed out by that perspective and saying so, like that's absurd.

01:40:39.000 Have the conversation.

01:40:41.000 Every concept, every idea is on the table and open for debate.

01:40:46.000 We're all, you know, we're all educated people here.

01:40:49.000 We can do that.

01:40:50.000 We can talk about anything.

01:40:52.000 And they've killed that.

01:40:53.000 There are a bunch of videos going viral of leftists.

01:40:56.000 TMZ also appeared.

01:40:57.000 That are basically saying this is just the beginning.

01:41:01.000 Y'all are next, things like that.

01:41:03.000 And what I want to mention about these live events is one of the fears that we've we've talked about quite a bit is that uh uh that shot heard round the world moment, there are a lot of leftists that are sitting there itching to pull a trigger with this moment, we are now seeing them saying it's on, this is it.

01:41:03.000 Yep.

01:41:24.000 The signal basically went out with Attack on Charlie.

01:41:28.000 That season has begun.

01:41:30.000 So it is open season.

01:41:31.000 Well, these leftists are basically what the attitude they're having now is have we started it?

01:41:36.000 We're starting it now.

01:41:37.000 The threat has increased exponentially.

01:41:40.000 If if you understand what I'm trying to say, right?

01:41:43.000 When this group believes that there's no resistance, they just stay at home.

01:41:52.000 With these videos that are going massively viral and they have tens of millions of views, they're all basically saying, it started, go do it now to each other.

01:42:02.000 Which means the risk factor at all these events is probably 100fold.

01:42:07.000 Do you see Baron Trump moved back to DC?

01:42:09.000 Really?

01:42:10.000 He's finishing college by living and living in the White House. 0.75

01:42:14.000 I think it's important not to underestimate the amount of vitriol that far leftists have for the average conservative, and that they you think you are generally um genuinely irredeemable, genuinely deplorable, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, same genocide supporter.

01:42:32.000 I think the same with them.

01:42:33.000 They they wholeheartedly believe that though, and uh to a degree that dehumanizes the average conservative uh that mindset is I I I think we really need to internalize them actually thinking that though.

01:42:48.000 Well, you know, I think to that point, it is worth noting that yeah, you're right.

01:42:54.000 That's that that to be honest with you, that should be obvious to everyone.

01:42:58.000 But these attitudes are prevalent enough among the left where I think that people need to also remember that should they get and I've said this before, should they get back into positions of power, they are a threat to every conservative, right?

01:43:15.000 The idea that they were they will that democrats will take control of the office of the executive and the house, and they won't use the Justice Department to go after conservatives, they absolutely will.

01:43:29.000 I don't even think that's the way that's the same.

01:43:30.000 And that is that is something what it the we're back in an era of political violence, not on the level of the government, but on the level of the vigilante.

01:43:38.000 No, but if the if the if the Democrats take the House again or take the House and the and the office of the executive, then the people the people.

01:43:49.000 Yeah, well, yeah, the people on the street will feel empowered because the government won't prosecute them.

01:43:54.000 Like the problem that Tim just laid out, right?

01:43:56.000 Where DAs and judges will not actually do things to prevent crime.

01:44:02.000 They will not use any kind of authority that they have to prevent crime.

01:44:07.000 That's only going to be exacerbated when the republic when the Democrats take back the positions of federal authority.

01:44:13.000 When?

01:44:14.000 Well, there's that's the way things go.

01:44:16.000 Ian, there's there's almost always.

01:44:18.000 I would love to think that it's gonna be Republicans from here on out. 0.87

01:44:21.000 Or just one crazy leftist, maybe non-extremists. 0.95

01:44:25.000 Those don't exist anymore. 0.72

01:44:26.000 Jasmine Crockett's on our way out.

01:44:28.000 Jasmine Crockett is not at all on her way out.

01:44:30.000 I thought she lost.

01:44:31.000 Didn't you say she's on her?

01:44:32.000 It doesn't matter.

01:44:33.000 She's one person.

01:44:34.000 Look at the way that people are talking on the internet about Charlie Kirk today.

01:44:37.000 You find what you look for, but yeah, I know what you mean.

01:44:40.000 So the left is rallying right now.

01:44:43.000 Like the the the tweets that I'm seeing.

01:44:47.000 Fifteen thousand retweets on an account with five thousand followers saying it's time more now.

01:44:53.000 It's been quiet for a month.

01:44:54.000 Trump's authority has silenced the, and you know when people get silenced, the voice of the unheard, you know what the voice of the unheard is, so they say violence.

01:45:03.000 Uh it's been a good thing.

01:45:05.000 The issue is Trump has been effective in shutting down the far left extremists, sending in the National Guard, these ice raids as people had voted for, and the left is doing exactly what we all thought was going to happen a year ago.

01:45:19.000 When we on this show said Donald Trump will use the National Guard.

01:45:23.000 We said it on the show.

01:45:24.000 I've been saying it.

01:45:26.000 Trump will engage in these ice raids.

01:45:28.000 I asked, I believe it was Sam Cedar, do you think Trump will use military with these with these uh with these uh immigration rates?

01:45:35.000 And Sam said, Yes.

01:45:36.000 He told me I was crazy for thinking civil war was possible, and I asked him.

01:45:40.000 If Trump wins, will he use the military for these for these immigration raids?

01:45:45.000 And he was like, Yes, I think so.

01:45:48.000 Are y'all gonna just let him do it?

01:45:52.000 He said, Pro probably, maybe not.

01:45:54.000 The left will not let Trump engage in these ice raids, deport people, nor send in the National Guard.

01:46:02.000 So what did we see?

01:46:04.000 We're seeing it now.

01:46:06.000 This is the escalation that I feared and we discussed over a year ago.

01:46:10.000 The National Guard has been deployed, the Marines were deployed.

01:46:15.000 The National Guard and the Marines were deployed to LA because they were attacking and firebombing federal facilities.

01:46:15.000 Indeed.

01:46:21.000 So ICE is doing their job.

01:46:23.000 Operation Midway Blitz.

01:46:26.000 The left responds.

01:46:29.000 Right now online.

01:46:32.000 But I think it's fairly obvious that the assassination on Charlie Kirk is leftist motivated, left is carried out.

01:46:38.000 That's Occam's razor.

01:46:39.000 There seems to be no other reasonable explanation.

01:46:42.000 But for the sake of cash the investigation, I'll defer to them to figure out what they you know when they when they do if they do.

01:46:50.000 Regardless of what actually ends up turning out to be the core facts in the case, one thing is clear.

01:46:55.000 Everyone in this country on the right believes it was a left that did it.

01:46:58.000 The left is celebrating it and believing the left did it as well.

01:47:02.000 The left is active on X, Blue Sky, and other platforms, even occupied Democrats celebrating his death.

01:47:10.000 Celebrating it.

01:47:11.000 Saying, well, he was a fascist, and the comments are all agreeing.

01:47:15.000 They are issuing their rallying cries now.

01:47:20.000 It's exactly as we predicted.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, it sort of is.

01:47:24.000 Um I see, I don't want to blame the Chinese for everything. 0.74

01:47:28.000 But when you say leftism, I think of communism, and then I think of stalwart CCP would love nothing more than to see their greatest enemy kill itself.

01:47:37.000 And and if you could incite that by getting one side of that country to hate the other side, ooh, what a win for you, because then they don't even know you did it.

01:47:45.000 I don't know.

01:47:47.000 It's so much longer of a game than that.

01:47:49.000 I mean, it's been it's been stewing in colleges and and on the left for ages now.

01:47:55.000 Not just the Chinese. 0.90

01:47:57.000 We are going to uh we're gonna go to chats.

01:47:59.000 Uh so smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff.

01:48:03.000 We uh for obvious reasons.

01:48:06.000 We didn't do our standard promos or anything like the normal show.

01:48:08.000 This is much more uh serious than that.

01:48:12.000 Super chats and rumble rants are your guys' comments and thoughts on the matter, so we will read those uh as much as we can.

01:48:19.000 Uh Shane H Walder says, I hope I'm pronouncing this right.

01:48:23.000 Rakwias, uh Rockwi Scott, how do you pronounce it?

01:48:26.000 Rock with Scott Impace, Charlie, the Italian Rest in Peace. 1.00

01:48:30.000 Mike Schmidt spoke on his death saying it would be a defect of humanity not to experience anger.

01:48:36.000 We need that we need to use that anger to do good until we meet again, Charlie.

01:48:41.000 Cheeseburger says, Tim, start a crowdfund to support Charlie Kirk's family.

01:48:44.000 Consider this a donation.

01:48:46.000 I hope there is one.

01:48:47.000 Let me see if I can find one.

01:48:50.000 Probably a give send go.

01:48:55.000 There is four hours ago.

01:48:57.000 Uh I can't.

01:48:58.000 I don't know if I can find a link.

01:49:01.000 I don't think I can find a link.

01:49:03.000 Uh it appears there is one.

01:49:06.000 I can't find it though.

01:49:07.000 Let me see.

01:49:08.000 Maybe Gibbs and Go just has it.

01:49:12.000 Trending campaigns.

01:49:14.000 There is a campaign here for Charlie Kirk's family.

01:49:17.000 Make sure it's real.

01:49:18.000 Well, it's on Gives and Go.

01:49:19.000 Their goal is a million dollars they've raised so far, 25,000.

01:49:24.000 Uh don't know who said it up, but it's on the front page of Gifts and Go.

01:49:28.000 We we like gives and go.

01:49:28.000 Those guys are great.

01:49:29.000 We've had him on the show several times, so I uh I feel for for Charlie's family, man.

01:49:37.000 There's there's no words.

01:49:40.000 CB85 says Charlie proclaimed proclaimed Jesus as Lord, and now he is with his savior and Lord.

01:49:45.000 Trump lives, Charlie goes home, God is Lord.

01:49:48.000 It is still sad to hear, you know.

01:49:50.000 I know Trump says we take silence that he is with Jesus and things like that.

01:49:54.000 And I respect that tremendously, but it is still hard to hear.

01:49:57.000 Yeah, dude.

01:49:58.000 He could have been alive for another 40 years.

01:50:00.000 Such a young man.

01:50:02.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 Uh Solace is enjoying.

01:50:03.000 Solace.

01:50:05.000 Remember that.

01:50:08.000 Accomplished so much.

01:50:10.000 Some of these some of these chats, guys, I respect, but it's just hard to read.

01:50:14.000 It's hard to read.

01:50:16.000 3D Pyromaniac says the left has now officially killed the moderate right.

01:50:20.000 He valued open debate over violence, and the effing killed him for it.

01:50:24.000 Yep.

01:50:25.000 Because he was right about everything.

01:50:28.000 This was the way to win.

01:50:30.000 These conversations in public to prove his point.

01:50:33.000 And they knew that the only way they win is through controlling the flow of information and lying.

01:50:39.000 Yep.

01:50:42.000 There's a lot of these rumble rants and chats that I can't read, but they're not that bad.

01:50:48.000 I'm not trying to make it seem like they're really crazy or anything.

01:50:50.000 It's just people are angry.

01:50:53.000 Mason M93 says Charlie Kirk was born the same year I was and has done more than I am likely ever to do.

01:51:00.000 Why does it feel like every day the left is daring the right to be the worst version of itself?

01:51:04.000 Sir, I only tell you if you really feel that Charlie has done more than you uh you ever would or ever could do.

01:51:12.000 Now is the time to do ten times more than you're doing now, because without Charlie, someone's gonna have to carry that weight.

01:51:19.000 And we're looking at you, man.

01:51:21.000 We're looking at everybody.

01:51:26.000 Jumped up pleb says, as Nick Friedas said, they didn't kill him because he was hateful, but because he was effective.

01:51:31.000 He was the best of us.

01:51:34.000 Yeah.

01:51:34.000 May God welcome him and strengthen his family.

01:51:39.000 Omni Stone Herald says Asmund Gold referred to Charlie as a right wing extremist, not really sure what he thought was extreme.

01:51:44.000 Did he really?

01:51:45.000 Doesn't sound like Aswin Gold.

01:51:47.000 I don't know.

01:51:52.000 All right.

01:51:55.000 Unravel Guardian says, Phil, I said that a week ago.

01:51:58.000 These people are not liberals.

01:51:59.000 We haven't lost that conversation.

01:52:01.000 I hope this turning point leads to a better America, but I fear the civil war is still ahead.

01:52:05.000 Rip CG CJK.

01:52:08.000 Was that his middle name?

01:52:10.000 Joseph.

01:52:11.000 I don't know.

01:52:12.000 Charlie Kirk.

01:52:13.000 I believe it was a JS. 0.70

01:52:16.000 James.

01:52:18.000 Charlie James Kirk.

01:52:20.000 Charles.

01:52:21.000 Aussie Brad says the Charlie news is all over the Australian news and social media.

01:52:25.000 He wasn't just a Christian and conservative icon in the US, but throughout the world.

01:52:29.000 This event will be a major catalyst in change.

01:52:32.000 Turning point UK.

01:52:34.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 And there were so many um global leaders who were posting their sadness at his passing as well.

01:52:42.000 Well, Charlie had been doing some events in the UK about how they needed to turn things around there.

01:52:49.000 Yeah, those fascinating debates at Cambridge.

01:52:51.000 Yep, exactly.

01:52:52.000 He was more than a really interesting Christian or a or conservative.

01:52:57.000 Like he was just a guy, like a really amazing guy.

01:53:01.000 And found himself in politics and born in the United States, but what a guy.

01:53:08.000 Man.

01:53:11.000 There's there's there's videos breaking down the left-wing media coverage of the assassination.

01:53:16.000 So hard to watch.

01:53:16.000 You don't want to watch it.

01:53:18.000 Just brainwashing of brainwashing.

01:53:20.000 It's just celebrating.

01:53:21.000 It's crazy.

01:53:23.000 Just anger-inducing.

01:53:25.000 My God. 1.00

01:53:27.000 Trash. 0.99

01:53:29.000 Let's uh grab. 1.00

01:53:31.000 There are many, many, many, many rumble ransom chats.

01:53:34.000 And so I'm just I'm I'm being as select as if I can with the time that we have.

01:53:39.000 And so Jim Pfaff says, I stand with Javier Millet's statement.

01:53:44.000 The left is dedicated to anything, including violence to get their way.

01:53:47.000 We must resolve to oppose leftists in the Democratic Party.

01:53:51.000 Yes, that is true.

01:53:52.000 So crazy what they did Tianman Square in China in 19 early 90s, the wid their willingness to just bowl over those people.

01:54:00.000 And you you can't find out about that in China.

01:54:00.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 So when Chinese goes go abroad and they find out about it, like they never learned about it.

01:54:08.000 It's been effectively covered up in China.

01:54:14.000 All right.

01:54:15.000 Random guys is a part of me died today, and I fear what's being reborn in its place.

01:54:20.000 We're being singled out, demonized, and killed, and I'm just tired of it.

01:54:24.000 Tired of it all.

01:54:24.000 I feel hurt and alone beyond belief because nobody cares around me.

01:54:31.000 I I I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call for my my liberal friends.

01:54:36.000 I've I've I've got people that I've known for decades, and we still talk periodically, but they post these ish lib memes all the time that's just fake, and I'm constantly hitting up being like that's not real.

01:54:47.000 And I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call.

01:54:53.000 I I, you know, I there was a post about Hassan.

01:54:56.000 I think it was from the New York Times.

01:54:57.000 I don't know what he said.

01:54:59.000 But the reporting is that he is telling people to stop celebrating this because he's next.

01:55:05.000 The thing they're celebrating will come for him all the same, and we don't want to be in that arena.

01:55:09.000 You was gonna debate, they were gonna debate in two weeks.

01:55:11.000 They were supposed to debate in two weeks.

01:55:12.000 I saw the video of Hassan seeing the video of Charlie being killed.

01:55:17.000 They didn't show it, but his reaction is very human.

01:55:21.000 Well, it was it's absolutely horrifying.

01:55:23.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 That video is absolutely devastating.

01:55:27.000 I got issues with Hassan for sure, but I've we've looked at his YouTube channel and I've defended it.

01:55:32.000 Because as much as I don't agree with his views and I think they're ill-informed, his channel is actually just a collection of the news story similar to what we do, but with bad views.

01:55:41.000 And I'm sure he says same of us.

01:55:42.000 While some of these other people just spam blast Trump Trump, Trump Trump, Trump Trump.

01:55:46.000 He doesn't do that.

01:55:47.000 And so we're allowed to disagree, and I appreciate he doesn't.

01:55:52.000 He's not like Sam Cedar who just says my name 24-7.

01:55:55.000 Bro, Sam's made like three videos about me already, like in the past couple of days.

01:55:58.000 When I was gone for August sick, he didn't make a single video about me, and his views dropped 20%.

01:56:03.000 No joke.

01:56:04.000 Hassan doesn't do that.

01:56:06.000 So I can I can respect Hassan, his views I disagree with, and that's always been okay.

01:56:10.000 And he and you know, I don't know.

01:56:12.000 I I think he says bad things. 0.96

01:56:14.000 But some of these people, they're grifters, they're bad. 0.56

01:56:17.000 Hassan's not innocent, not perfect, but I can at least give him that.

01:56:21.000 Well, it is also 9-11 tomorrow.

01:56:23.000 He did say, I believe the quote was America deserved 9-11. 0.99

01:56:27.000 Like I wouldn't have to do with the business if I didn't.

01:56:28.000 It's the worst.

01:56:30.000 Like after your nice people, oh, maybe he does nice news coverage.

01:56:33.000 He's also a communist piece of who believes that America deserved 9-11.

01:56:38.000 And it just also is tomorrow.

01:56:39.000 But when he says happens to be tomorrow.

01:56:41.000 When he says don't be violent, stop encouraging that things like that.

01:56:44.000 I'm like, okay, good.

01:56:45.000 You could if you're a communist and you're not advocating that we go around committing violence against each other, then all I have to do is argue against you.

01:56:51.000 I know I'm gonna win.

01:56:53.000 I'm sure he's very careful with his words now.

01:56:56.000 Post his comments in the past.

01:56:58.000 Uh and I'm not gonna say What I believe he really thinks.

01:57:01.000 Sam Hyde woke him up.

01:57:02.000 He's an anti-American communist.

01:57:05.000 That's all there is to it. 0.75

01:57:06.000 He's anti-American.

01:57:08.000 I think when Sam Hyde went to that arena and said he was going to kill Hassan, Hassan, that was a hard wake-up call for him.

01:57:16.000 I also will say this with all due respect to Sam Howdo, I think is a funny guy.

01:57:20.000 I think he's a smart guy.

01:57:21.000 I've got no beef.

01:57:22.000 I don't I don't mean to be disrespectful. 0.66

01:57:23.000 But I think that was inappropriate that he said that, that he was going to kill Hassan.

01:57:27.000 And the reason is, he said, not as a joke in real life.

01:57:30.000 And people tell me, oh, he was just joking.

01:57:32.000 I'm like, no, it's not a joke. 0.87

01:57:34.000 There are people who follow Hassan who saw that and said, this proves the far right are racists who want to kill us. 0.93

01:57:41.000 We got to do it first. 0.96

01:57:43.000 It escalates things in an insane, insane way.

01:57:46.000 And you can't just be like, I was joking.

01:57:48.000 Not to these people.

01:57:49.000 We have people come on this show and say things where, like, if you really were on the left and you believed this, then you would go do this thing.

01:57:57.000 And we're like, shows off the air.

01:57:59.000 And they're like, well, I was saying hypothetically, and I'm like, there are leftists who see this show, and you just told them to be violent.

01:58:05.000 Like it, it's the a cult of cult of violence is cult to violence.

01:58:09.000 We'll get we'll get banned for it.

01:58:10.000 You can't do it.

01:58:11.000 So when he did that, joke or otherwise, liberals heard it.

01:58:15.000 And they don't think it's a joke.

01:58:16.000 Hassan didn't think it was a joke.

01:58:18.000 He and people make fun of him for it.

01:58:19.000 And I'm like, I get why he's freaking out, bro.

01:58:22.000 Like, we have to deal with this stuff.

01:58:24.000 So I'm I I I don't like Hassan's views and the things he says, I get that, but I understand why that escalation is bad.

01:58:33.000 All right.

01:58:35.000 What do we have here?

01:58:38.000 I'm trying to be selective.

01:58:39.000 Sorry, guys.

01:58:41.000 GF says this is our generation's MLK event.

01:58:44.000 Yeah.

01:58:45.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:58:46.000 It's the truth.

01:58:49.000 That's entirely the truth.

01:58:53.000 Do you guys think there's a risk of civil war?

01:58:58.000 Sure.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:00.000 I've been studying a lot about the American Civil War.

01:59:02.000 It would be a different type of thing completely.

01:59:04.000 It would be like uh a dismantling of the United States by eight different countries, corporations, local communities.

01:59:13.000 It would be like finding your cousin in a landfill with his arms tied behind his back by with piano wire and drill holes in his thighs.

01:59:24.000 It would be like what goes on in Mexico. 0.54

01:59:27.000 It would be heads on the side of roads.

01:59:29.000 Probably like the water would be, it wouldn't be a it wouldn't be armed factions the way like you know, people fighting the way that you think about armed like what war now.

01:59:41.000 It would be so it would be chaotic, it would be brutal.

01:59:46.000 It is not at all what people think it is.

01:59:49.000 People hiding in schools.

01:59:50.000 I mean, I think in a lot, and and us being like, well, we have to attack them in the school, we have to blow up the school because they're harboring terrorists and all this bull.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, yeah, no.

01:59:58.000 But yes, there is a threat.

02:00:01.000 The one one of my friends asked me today.

02:00:04.000 We were sitting down, and this was still in the midst of not knowing what had happened to Charlie, and uh I wanted everything just to believe that he was okay.

02:00:14.000 And I got sent one of the videos, and within looking at the first frame, I threw my phone and started crying because I knew, even though I didn't want to believe it, I didn't I didn't know for sure, but I mean you knew.

02:00:25.000 And my friend said this could lead to civil war.

02:00:31.000 And this is not a political dude.

02:00:33.000 This is escape order.

02:00:34.000 He doesn't know anything about politics at all.

02:00:36.000 And I said, bro, this is exactly what war looks like.

02:00:39.000 It's not like maybe it might happen.

02:00:41.000 The question now is with the left's response about escalation, if they if they actually start taking up on it.

02:00:47.000 My other fear is that people on the right might escalate as well.

02:00:52.000 But people seem to think war is like a bunch of troops marching towards each other.

02:00:58.000 They've never watched a video from Syria during the Civil War.

02:01:03.000 Two guys in one building in a residential neighborhood, nothing else.

02:01:07.000 And then a bunch of people get shot and they're dead.

02:01:09.000 That's what war looks like. 0.84

02:01:12.000 It looks like a car pulls in and a bunch of guys with guns jump out, and it's a shopping district, and you're just buying some some melons, and you look around, they run in, start grabbing a bunch of stuff, throwing it in the truck, they shoot a bunch of people, get in their truck and leave.

02:01:24.000 That's what civil war looks like.

02:01:25.000 Yep.

02:01:26.000 The American Civil War was several sovereign states And a union that had fractured.

02:01:32.000 And these sovereign states had standing armies.

02:01:34.000 Civil war around the world is not like that.

02:01:37.000 There is no unified standing army.

02:01:39.000 Factions break apart.

02:01:40.000 In Syria, for instance, there were something like 12 factions at the start of the civil war.

02:01:43.000 But we look to America and we think civil war is going to be one side and another side linking up and then going to war.

02:01:49.000 No, that's just war.

02:01:50.000 And that's that's that's archaic.

02:01:53.000 What we are more likely to see in this country is factional.

02:01:56.000 There's going to be different sects of leftism.

02:01:58.000 There's going to be different sects of right wing conservative groups and moderate groups.

02:02:02.000 There's different cultures.

02:02:05.000 And if civil war were to happen, what'll it look like for you?

02:02:10.000 Most, most of you.

02:02:12.000 Nothing will change except for what you hear on the news.

02:02:15.000 You'll you'll you'll go to work, prices will go up.

02:02:18.000 You'll go grocery shopping, and you'll be like, well, I guess I'm not buying avocado anymore.

02:02:22.000 Why?

02:02:23.000 You'll hear on the news that certain roads, freeways from the south had been bombed.

02:02:27.000 And you'll be like, yeah, the trucks can't get through.

02:02:30.000 But your grains and your stable products that are manufactured in your region probably will still be there, but the prices will go up a little bit.

02:02:36.000 That's what civil war will look like.

02:02:38.000 For people in big cities, a lot of these cities probably won't see a thing.

02:02:42.000 It's when I had this conversation with people, it's interesting because they believe I hear this all the time.

02:02:46.000 Like when I went on the trigonometry podcast, they said, I go outside, nothing's happening.

02:02:51.000 That's what civil war. 0.99

02:02:52.000 And my question is always do you think that in Atlanta in 1863, a guy walked out of his house and his neighbor looked at him and said they would ooh, I'm gonna fight you.

02:03:00.000 No, they were neighbors.

02:03:01.000 They lived in the same city, they believed the same things.

02:03:03.000 DC's 80%, 90% Democrat.

02:03:06.000 No one there's arguing with each other.

02:03:08.000 But these people in other areas do.

02:03:10.000 The question becomes in these cities, what will we likely see?

02:03:16.000 Insurgency.

02:03:18.000 Uh meaning, why why would a why would an Antifa group in Portland shoot and kill other antifa?

02:03:25.000 They're not going to do it.

02:03:26.000 When the far left took over the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, they called it, a handful of people died because they were paranoid and panicked and shot them up.

02:03:36.000 But all in all, what did they do?

02:03:37.000 They got a bunch of guns, surrounded this area, took over buildings, and told people they couldn't come in. 0.98

02:03:42.000 Now, if you were a right right wing group with mega hats on and you approach them, they'd shoot and kill you. 0.88

02:03:47.000 Why do I think that? 0.99

02:03:48.000 How do I know that?

02:03:50.000 Because some kids were in a vehicle, they were joyriding teenagers.

02:03:54.000 Someone spread a rumor that they were white supremacists, so the armed Chaz guards unloaded on them and killed them without investigating, without knowing.

02:04:04.000 That's what they do.

02:04:06.000 That's what civil war looks like.

02:04:08.000 Now, here's the thing.

02:04:09.000 At the time, people said, Yeah, Tim, but it happened and there was no civil war.

02:04:12.000 Indeed.

02:04:13.000 Periods of civil strife don't always lead to civil war.

02:04:16.000 The next step in civil strife becomes civil war.

02:04:19.000 The civil rights era of the United States was a civil strife period.

02:04:21.000 It did not lead to civil war.

02:04:23.000 What we are dealing with right now may just be civil strife.

02:04:27.000 We don't know.

02:04:28.000 But based on what the left is saying, we have two major considerations.

02:04:35.000 The deployment of the National Guard and military, ice raids across the country, that is federal military and law enforcement action to a greater degree than seen in the past 10, 20 years.

02:04:49.000 The assassination of Charlie Kirk and the rhetoric on the left calling for war within the same day.

02:04:56.000 If the left decides to take action and we start seeing these armed groups like Chess Chop pop up and they say it's time to fight back against IC, the only question then becomes when we collectively just think, yeah, maybe it's a civil war.

02:05:10.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

02:05:12.000 And what is a what is a civil war look like, if not the violent leftists versus the law enforcement, you know?

02:05:19.000 And it's not necessarily local government, but but take a look right now at the crime in Chicago, and Trump says we want to send the National Guard, and Pritzker says no.

02:05:25.000 It's exactly what we said last year on this show that Trump would try to deploy the National Guard, the blue states would say no, and we already saw the conflict with Newsom trying to seize, take command of the National Guard from Trump.

02:05:38.000 This is all standing before us.

02:05:42.000 I don't, I don't, I don't know what it looks like, but I'll tell you this in the Syrian Civil War, how did it start?

02:05:46.000 There were protests.

02:05:47.000 The government fired on protesters, various factions popped up, started shooting back.

02:05:52.000 It was not or A versus B. It was not blue versus red.

02:05:57.000 It was random group over here, random group over here, Random group over there.

02:06:01.000 After a year or so, they started to coalesce.

02:06:04.000 And then it was ultimately ISIS that basically took everything over and shut down the more moderate reformists.

02:06:12.000 This is the recent civil war you're talking about in Syria.

02:06:14.000 Ten years ago.

02:06:15.000 Okay.

02:06:16.000 It started with with a dozen or so factions.

02:06:18.000 They were different factions that were not aligned politically.

02:06:21.000 They didn't organize with each other versus the government.

02:06:24.000 And their argument was the government was shooting and killing protesters.

02:06:28.000 The government argued they were terrorists that were inciting destabilization of the country.

02:06:32.000 After a long enough period of destabilization, ISIS, El Nursra, and other groups started to force these people to join them or die, creating a power structure under one umbrella, which created ISIS over the whole region.

02:06:49.000 Some speculate.

02:06:54.000 And the Kurds, I believe, against ISIS.

02:06:56.000 And then the other side was also being supported by Russia.

02:07:00.000 Turkey's involved.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that when they hear, oh, you know, the US made ISIS or whatever, they think that like it was the United States trying to create this group.

02:07:11.000 These people already had these ideas and they had these desires.

02:07:14.000 They had they totally had agency.

02:07:16.000 They were motivated to do this.

02:07:17.000 What the United States did was gave them arms.

02:07:20.000 That's it.

02:07:20.000 Like the U.S. didn't have to tell them, hey, we want you to do this, we want you to do that.

02:07:25.000 They already had all these plans and all these things they wanted to do.

02:07:28.000 The United States didn't have to convince ISIS you should try to reinstate a caliphate.

02:07:32.000 They already wanted that.

02:07:33.000 What the US did was gave them arms and money.

02:07:37.000 So we are going to uh so Shane Cashman, host of Tales from Inver from the Inverted World, is going live right now.

02:07:44.000 And he also knew Charlie and hit.

02:07:47.000 He has uh been at our events.

02:07:49.000 Uh normally his show discusses the weird, the wild.

02:07:52.000 It's kind of the uh the pressure release of Timcast IRL after you see all the craziness, Shane, Brandon, and Alex.

02:08:01.000 They will do a show where you get to goof off and talk about aliens and bigfoot and ghosts.

02:08:06.000 Anyone can call into the show.

02:08:08.000 But today, he is going to be discussing one of i i the most consequential story of our generation, maybe of the past fifty years.

02:08:19.000 On par with some of the most pressing stories of the past century.

02:08:22.000 He'll be discussing the Charlie Kirk story.

02:08:24.000 So we are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show at Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.

02:08:30.000 But uh for those of you that are that are uh watching on YouTube and uh the non-premium rumble, I encourage you to to s to subscribe to Tales from the Inverted World and hear Shane out as he as he discusses you know his thoughts on this.

02:08:43.000 He wasn't here to talk with us about it, but he's gonna be doing his show now.

02:08:46.000 So uh you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.

02:08:49.000 Please uh hit that like button, subscribe, all that good stuff.

02:08:52.000 Uh yeah, uh you want to shout anything out?

02:08:54.000 Good sir.

02:08:55.000 I mean, it's been a heck of a show.

02:08:56.000 Yeah, it's uh it's a sad day, and we will not be silenced though.

02:09:03.000 We have to keep uh the the mantle torch going uh that Charlie has uh been doing for all these years, and we're going to.

02:09:13.000 I'm I'm I know we will.

02:09:16.000 Right on, man.

02:09:17.000 Uh I'm Libby Emmons, and you can find me on Twitter.

02:09:21.000 And thank you for sticking with us tonight as we tried to make sense of the completely nonsensible.

02:09:30.000 Thank you for tuning in tonight, everybody.

02:09:31.000 My name's Aladd Eliyahu.

02:09:33.000 I'm the White House correspondent here.

02:09:34.000 You can find me at Allah on everything.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

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02:09:40.000 I just wanted to point out your Chuck for Wyoming on X. People can follow you there.

02:09:44.000 Thank you.

02:09:44.000 Good to meet you, man.

02:09:45.000 And Phil.

02:09:45.000 Good to see you.

02:09:46.000 Uh, I am Phil that remains on Twix.

02:09:48.000 Um today I want to sign off.

02:09:51.000 I saw Sectary of War uh tweeted this today.

02:09:54.000 It was uh Matthew 25 23.

02:09:58.000 Well done, good and faithful servant.

02:10:00.000 Rest in peace, Charlie.

02:10:02.000 Please join us at Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.

02:10:06.000 We will continue this conversation, uncensored portion, and we'll see you all there in a few seconds.

02:10:10.000 Thank you.

02:10:54.000 Yeah, I mean, we're chilling.

02:10:56.000 Hey, everybody, man.

02:10:59.000 My body hurts all over.

02:11:02.000 It's it's it's it's just like a wild um.

02:11:07.000 My day was so was going so well.

02:11:09.000 And I don't mean to be flippant and anything, but uh, you know, by saying this or dismissive.

02:11:17.000 I I had I mean I'm a nerd.

02:11:19.000 I got my magic cards behind me, you know.

02:11:21.000 I ordered some new magic card collectibles.

02:11:24.000 I did my work this morning.

02:11:26.000 I've got a new show, YouTube uh at Tim Pool and Rumble at Tim Pool.

02:11:31.000 I'm working more, pushing as hard as I can.

02:11:35.000 Because I think uh I have to.

02:11:37.000 If you know if I don't, who will?

02:11:38.000 And I want to talk about things I think are important today on my Tim Pool channel.

02:11:42.000 I did uh talked about the gangs in Chicago, Nick Shirley's reporting, wrapped uh the live show at one.

02:11:50.000 We talked with uh Brandon Tatum about crime and violence in the black community. 1.00

02:11:54.000 Seemed like a very productive day with great conversations.

02:11:57.000 Uh I recorded a segment for the weekend on the internet, ads and the future of of content.

02:12:03.000 I walked out, some packages had arrived.

02:12:06.000 I saw my wife and my baby.

02:12:08.000 I said, let's go have a business meeting and get dinner, or you know, get get early dinner so we can go over the plans for the boonies.

02:12:14.000 I I was very it was a very good day.

02:12:17.000 I cracked a pack of Magic the Gathering and I pulled a $3,000 card.

02:12:22.000 Today?

02:12:23.000 Today.

02:12:23.000 Congratulations.

02:12:27.000 Hell of a silver lining.

02:12:29.000 It's it's but it's but it's I I guess I'm just saying this because it's like again.

02:12:34.000 I hope it's not it's not dismissive or flippant or whatever.

02:12:36.000 I'm just saying, like this is now the worst day.

02:12:42.000 The worst in a long time in a long time.

02:12:46.000 I mean, in my life.

02:12:49.000 My family's still alive.

02:12:51.000 Uh my immediate family is is alive and healthy.

02:12:54.000 I've not experienced any great tragedies.

02:12:56.000 This is one of the worst things that I've uh again, I was a lot of people who have much more right to be angry than I do.

02:13:05.000 Uh I say Charlie was my friend.

02:13:07.000 I I want to stress it, I didn't go golfing with the guy or anything like that.

02:13:11.000 But you know, he was he was good to me, helped me out when he could.

02:13:15.000 And uh when we saw him, we saw him he'd come on my show.

02:13:17.000 He's been on several times.

02:13:19.000 He's always just been really, really good to us.

02:13:22.000 And uh he was a friend.

02:13:24.000 And this is just I don't know what happens tomorrow.

02:13:27.000 I don't know how we I don't know, I don't know what happens tomorrow.

02:13:30.000 I'm I'm numb.

02:13:32.000 My I physic I'm in physical pain.

02:13:36.000 My muscles ache.

02:13:38.000 It's stress.

02:13:39.000 It is stress. 0.95

02:13:41.000 One of the more fucked up aspects of the whole thing of how this not a whole thing of how this came about, but the way that we learned of this was like this slow drip of like videos of him being murdered popping up on Twitter and just being unavoidable. 0.95

02:14:00.000 And it's just oh, new angle, here's a new angle, here's a new angle. 0.87

02:14:05.000 And it's like people trying to analyze each pixel of the bullet going through his shirt or his neck, or it's this, and everybody's kind of playing like you know, armchair doctor. 0.93

02:14:18.000 And it all just felt so fucking morbid and shitty and fucking gross getting obviously, but like over the course of an hour or so, as people were getting new information.

02:14:29.000 Tim, how'd you you found out through obviously social media? 0.98

02:14:32.000 You I think you said after this day.

02:14:34.000 Alex Stein called me.

02:14:35.000 Alex Stein called you.

02:14:36.000 I we had we had gotten in the in and uh the the crew was uh were surging them or setting up all the new cameras and stream setups, we're doing these skateboarding events.

02:14:46.000 It has been just tremendous.

02:14:48.000 Thank you so much.

02:14:49.000 You're out of here?

02:14:50.000 I gotta get back to this.

02:14:51.000 Oh, okay, right on.

02:14:52.000 Hey man, thanks for coming.

02:14:53.000 Thanks for coming.

02:14:54.000 Charles, appreciate it.

02:14:54.000 Have a go, man.

02:14:55.000 Chuck has got to get out of here for obvious reasons, political and but uh yeah, so when I wrap the show, surge and the crew are gearing up to do the uh uh we're we're we're prepping, we're doing these live skateboarding events.

02:15:07.000 They've been really big.

02:15:08.000 We've tremendous success.

02:15:09.000 The community's reaching out to us, we're getting a lot of pros, sponsors are interested.

02:15:13.000 And so I said, We need let's let's all go uh hop to a restaurant, get some food and go over the plan.

02:15:20.000 We need to buy uh uh backdrop stuff, camera stuff.

02:15:25.000 I get in the car, call Andy.

02:15:28.000 Here's the restaurant we're going to.

02:15:31.000 We're on the road.

02:15:32.000 I'm like, oh, Alex is calling me.

02:15:35.000 And he calls me and says, Charlie Kirk's been shot.

02:15:38.000 Jesus.

02:15:39.000 Uh this was literally right when it happened.

02:15:41.000 This is before the videos came out.

02:15:44.000 And I was like, whoa, what what what?

02:15:46.000 And he's like, at his event, and I was like, okay, let me call you back.

02:15:49.000 Went on, just put immediately.

02:15:51.000 I was I was talking to my wife.

02:15:52.000 I was we were driving and we were talking about, yeah, so we're gonna be doing this with the show, and like, you know, what let's go to this restaurant, I'll let him know.

02:16:00.000 And then uh I looked online and I saw everything.

02:16:03.000 And this was again people it was right right at that point, it was just witness statements.

02:16:08.000 I saw this, I saw that, we didn't know for sure.

02:16:10.000 And I saw a report that said shots fired at Charlie Kirk event, and I was like, okay.

02:16:17.000 I don't think he was shot.

02:16:18.000 It says shots were fired at his event.

02:16:19.000 We don't know for sure just yet.

02:16:22.000 Then the video dropped.

02:16:24.000 And then I went, oh my God.

02:16:28.000 The first video, it looked survivable.

02:16:32.000 Yeah, and then it suddenly didn't.

02:16:34.000 Got to the restaurant.

02:16:35.000 I was on the phone nonstop the whole way.

02:16:38.000 Our our team, the people we work with, we work with Charlie's team, we're all friends.

02:16:44.000 Everybody's a bit panicked right now.

02:16:48.000 Get to the restaurant, we're walking there, like, I hope he's okay.

02:16:51.000 I thought I hope it's not serious.

02:16:56.000 I had thought at first it was a handgun because the initial report was that a guy in the crowd was yelling about trans people and then shot him.

02:17:03.000 And uh, I was like, I think that's probably like handgun, likely nine millimeter, depending on where he got heat, he might be okay.

02:17:12.000 Luke hits me up and said, and and and he's like, I don't think this is survivable.

02:17:17.000 And then I immediately called him and I was like, Why are you saying that?

02:17:19.000 I was like, there's come on.

02:17:20.000 I I saw the video, and it's possible.

02:17:22.000 And he said, There's another video that just came out.

02:17:25.000 And then I was like, show me where.

02:17:26.000 And he's like, I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'll send you the video.

02:17:30.000 And I was sitting down at a restaurant and I picked up my phone and I pressed the button to look at the message, and I only needed to see a single frame, and I dropped the phone and I started crying.

02:17:42.000 Because I didn't you you didn't need to see the video.

02:17:46.000 I just knew right away.

02:17:49.000 My buddy was sitting next to me.

02:17:50.000 He's not he's not in politics at all, he has no idea.

02:17:52.000 And he looked, he was looking down and he saw it and he went, Oh my God.

02:17:56.000 And that's when it was like, I knew the moment I saw it.

02:18:02.000 But I didn't want to believe it.

02:18:04.000 And so I had received again, my phone's ringing, I'm calling people, and I got a call.

02:18:10.000 Top level source, they don't want to be named, said stable.

02:18:16.000 And uh critical but stable.

02:18:18.000 And I was like, oh my god, thank God.

02:18:20.000 And so I tweeted.

02:18:21.000 Source tells me, stable.

02:18:24.000 And I know it's hard, you know, people didn't want to believe it.

02:18:26.000 The comments were all saying there's no way he survived it.

02:18:28.000 There's no way.

02:18:29.000 One person was like, I'm an ER doctor, and that is not that is not recoverable.

02:18:35.000 AP then reported, critical but stable.

02:18:38.000 And I'm like, good, because I'm scared to post something and be wrong on something so serious.

02:18:43.000 But if it was his like stability, I was I was like, I'm I'm posting this.

02:18:50.000 And uh I got a call from someone losing it, informing us that he had passed.

02:19:04.000 And my executive higher executive functions said, Tim, this is confirmed, and you know it.

02:19:16.000 And the rest of me said, I'm not posting anything, I'm not saying anything, I don't know it.

02:19:21.000 Charlie's gonna make it.

02:19:23.000 It's it's not possible that Charlie is dead.

02:19:27.000 When the conflicting reports came out and they said stable, and then they said dead.

02:19:31.000 I was He was stable.

02:19:32.000 He was I thought he was too.

02:19:32.000 I was with you.

02:19:33.000 I thought he was.

02:19:34.000 I thought he was.

02:19:35.000 This is the important thing to understand.

02:19:37.000 When I got that initial report that he had been he had been stabilized, he is now stable.

02:19:44.000 It was like okay.

02:19:46.000 And the general conversation was he's got the best security team, he's got the best for first eight teams.

02:19:51.000 They are prepared for situations like this.

02:19:53.000 As much as people might think it's not survivable, even if you're an ER doctor, someone comes in like this, it's too late.

02:19:58.000 But you're there on the spot.

02:20:00.000 There is a possibility.

02:20:03.000 And I wanted to believe it.

02:20:05.000 However, there were the conversations that happened in between was just please understand they're telling me stable doesn't mean he's going to make it.

02:20:14.000 Stable means right now they have him stable.

02:20:17.000 At any moment it could change.

02:20:19.000 There could be serious damage already.

02:20:21.000 We don't know.

02:20:25.000 And I got a call.

02:20:26.000 And is the person, the individual who called me a direct source letting me know.

02:20:35.000 Didn't want it to be true either.

02:20:38.000 I didn't want it to be true.

02:20:41.000 And so I just, you know, the challenging thing is.

02:20:45.000 If this was a politician this happened to, someone I didn't know, and I got a phone call, and they were like, representative so and so is confirmed.

02:20:53.000 I'd I'd tweet it.

02:20:55.000 I'd say, It breaks my heart to report this.

02:20:57.000 A source has confronted me.

02:20:58.000 The problem is we all know Charlie, and he's a friend, all of us, and it's so difficult for the people that I work with.

02:21:06.000 And this like I'm I'm talking to a source, and they're crying frantically about this because he was all he was a friend to all of us.

02:21:16.000 So my heart hurts literally right here, right where he got hit, man.

02:21:21.000 You got hit in the neck.

02:21:22.000 It looked like the A or I don't know.

02:21:23.000 It just was in the neck in the neck, right above his heart.

02:21:26.000 Let's let's let's go to callers.

02:21:27.000 Yeah, before we do, uh yeah, let's go to callers.

02:21:29.000 I've just been thinking about like what's the point.

02:21:31.000 I think this like what is really the point of all this thing, this life stuff, like other than just making it good.

02:21:38.000 I don't know what the point really is.

02:21:40.000 We are in a constant battle of good and evil, and there are evil people seeking to destroy, and good people are trying to protect and create.

02:21:48.000 And then the evil people win and call, say tell everyone they were the good guys, and then they sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.

02:21:56.000 And it's an eternal struggle that we will not.

02:21:59.000 I th I think goodness has prevailed over the long period of time, gradually.

02:22:03.000 I've been thinking that lately, the how far humanity has come that we can hang out on a phone call with our friends in England or in China, like a video chat.

02:22:10.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not it's not really about any of that, right?

02:22:13.000 I mean, I um so today, as all this was happening, and I was completely unwilling to believe that you know Charlie had passed from this injury.

02:22:25.000 Um, I was I was here with Mary and Tate, and we were about to do pop culture crisis, and I came in, they said Charlie had been shot, and um I reached out to a friend of mine who would know, and I asked, is Charlie okay?

02:22:40.000 And he said no.

02:22:42.000 Um, so and you know, and Tate was also talking to some people who would know, and they were uh pretty clear that this was not gonna work out.

02:22:51.000 This was not gonna work out.

02:22:53.000 Um, you know, uh what did I do?

02:22:57.000 I we we went live for like what 10 minutes.

02:23:00.000 If even yeah.

02:23:02.000 Yeah, and then you know, Mary basically reported the news of what happened and said, We're you know, we're not gonna do the show and joke about memes today.

02:23:12.000 Um then afterwards we just all were like sitting for like a half hour looking at the internet, trying to figure out what was going on.

02:23:21.000 Um, and then I did the only thing that to me I could do that would be of any use.

02:23:27.000 And I went over to my church and I lit ten candles because in the Catholic faith, you light candles and you say prayers because a lot of what you do is about the tradition that goes back like a thousand years or something.

02:23:41.000 Um, and that, you know, I walked into the church and it was pretty empty.

02:23:46.000 Mass is in the evening.

02:23:47.000 There was no mass yet.

02:23:49.000 A lot of the um catechism classes were going on, but they're downstairs.

02:23:53.000 So the the church was empty, pretty much empty, except for the smell of incense, which in a Catholic church, it's like incense is supposed to raise your spirit closer to God, right?

02:24:05.000 A lot of what Catholic Catholic traditions are about are um extinguishing your rational thought so that you can bring your spirit closer to God.

02:24:14.000 And there's the rational stuff too, but whatever.

02:24:14.000 That's a big part of it.

02:24:17.000 I want uh But so I I lit ten candles and I said prayers and I was in tears, and I was I was leaving.

02:24:24.000 I walked out and there were some women talking amongst themselves, and I walked out, and then I thought um I felt like I was called to go back in and speak with these women, and I went over to them.

02:24:39.000 Um I went over to them and I said, uh, hey, can can you pray can you pray for my friend, my friend Charlie was just shot.

02:24:51.000 Can you pray for them pray for him?

02:24:53.000 And they both stood up.

02:24:54.000 They'd just, you know, been chatting, um, church stuff.

02:24:58.000 Hang out, and they they both stood up and came over to me and gave me like a a really needed hug, and I wept on this woman's shoulder.

02:25:10.000 I have never met her.

02:25:11.000 I have never seen her before.

02:25:14.000 And I wept on her shoulder, and she prayed with me.

02:25:18.000 She led us in prayer.

02:25:20.000 Um, a couple of prayers.

02:25:24.000 And she said, We'll keep we'll keep praying.

02:25:27.000 We'll keep praying.

02:25:29.000 And I I left.

02:25:31.000 Um But the that kind of communion with each other, I think is a lot of what the point of life is.

02:25:43.000 I think that's a lot of it.

02:25:45.000 And I think that it is necessary for my spirit to find faith.

02:25:50.000 I've struggled with faith my entire life.

02:25:53.000 It's not easy for me to find faith.

02:25:55.000 It's difficult because I'm very heady.

02:25:59.000 It's difficult, but it's so necessary to find that communion with what is bigger than us, and what is bigger than us is God in the universe, and God in the universe is the only thing that can keeping God in your heart is the only thing that can protect us from what is demonic and seeks to destroy us.

02:26:18.000 So uh as I mentioned earlier that our team was getting death threats, it's now reporting that high profile conservatives are getting death threats following the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

02:26:27.000 And uh I'm being warned to contact the FBI directly should we get any any information or sounds like terrorism, like that's so I I think that's a good good move. 0.82

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:46.000 Uh the journey is the destination.

02:26:49.000 You can say something, Serge.

02:26:51.000 We should let let's grab these callers.

02:26:53.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 Um also Tate Brown in the house.

02:26:56.000 Tate Brown.

02:26:57.000 Well, you guys go over a little bit this way.

02:26:59.000 Oh my bit.

02:27:00.000 Oh Osmadeus, thank you for joining us.

02:27:04.000 Um if you had something to say, go ahead.

02:27:10.000 That's all you, maybe.

02:27:13.000 I mean, obviously I wasn't expecting this.

02:27:16.000 I mean, I've had a little bit of I guess dark humor. 0.99

02:27:20.000 I was wanting to tweet yesterday about asking 2025 to just calm down with the NATO bombings and Qatar and everything, and then I wake up in the middle of the day and this fucking happens.

02:27:34.000 So it's it's not been a good yeah.

02:27:39.000 Um, but on to my question.

02:27:42.000 Um, so I was wondering, because I've always tried to s say I'm sure many people are like this, um, of just taking the high road and not being or stooping to the level of political violence, but killing Charlie Kirk, one of the few people the most prominent.

02:28:04.000 I mean, he was 31, he was probably destined for higher office if he if he decided to killing him and like that in such a way, just even though we don't know who the shooter is and the motives, the reaction that's been coming from the left just removes any willingness to debate, coexist.

02:28:27.000 Just I mean, I I I want blood.

02:28:29.000 I want to see people suffer for cheering this on. 0.57

02:28:33.000 I want I don't want to see anyone killed, but I want to see them humiliated and dragged through the streets publicly and just lose everything because apparent it it feels like to me the only language that they respect is violence.

02:28:48.000 And if that's the case, then I guess we need to start speaking it better than they do.

02:28:52.000 I understand that sentiment.

02:28:54.000 It's the unfocused rage because we don't know who the killer was.

02:29:01.000 And they look around and you see people smiling and laughing, and it's like this impetus to go nuclear, but I don't think I don't want to.

02:29:09.000 I don't what I don't want to do is start talking for Charlie.

02:29:12.000 I'm gonna say I don't think he would have wanted that.

02:29:14.000 I think he would have wanted us to be calm and maintain our rage to be better men. 1.00

02:29:22.000 But I tell you, we find this fucking killer. 0.99

02:29:24.000 The thing is, you don't even know if they tell you they found the killer, it could be the it could just be the wrong guy. 0.99

02:29:32.000 They've gotten it twice wrong so far, so we may be heading to fucking Canada for all we know. 0.96

02:29:39.000 What's that? 0.99

02:29:41.000 The shooter.

02:29:42.000 They've released two people so far, and there's some people saying that he may be trying to make it to the Canadian border.

02:29:48.000 Like a foreign national. 1.00

02:29:51.000 Well, no, I mean they're just trying.

02:29:53.000 I mean, the Canadian border is completely unguarded, so we could cross theoretically until just like a wild forest or something.

02:30:01.000 Just remember too, like we've all been exposed to a lot of death and evil the last few days.

02:30:07.000 Um so while your reaction is very natural, and I'd be lying if I didn't feel a bit of that as well.

02:30:14.000 Um we just have to check our souls as well.

02:30:17.000 I think our souls have been corroded quite extensively the last few days.

02:30:21.000 Um we have to keep that in mind as well.

02:30:27.000 So I mean, like how half the people like most prominent Democrats and progressive influencers are calling this out as an atrocity.

02:30:39.000 But part of the cynical side of me is wondering, are you saying this just because you mean it, or because you act you don't want to catch any flack because you know it's the only acceptable thing you can say, and you don't want to be a target for any retribution.

02:30:52.000 Yeah, I was doing that too, questioning the allegiance of their honesty.

02:30:55.000 I'm like, I look everybody in the space that speaks out, like anytime you make a public statement and you that gets any attention, you're on some level a target.

02:31:10.000 Right?

02:31:11.000 Like, so if you're you know, the people that are on the show regularly, that people that write for conservative outlets, um we were all targets to some degree.

02:31:24.000 Obviously, the more the more high profile you are, the more likely it is that someone will target you.

02:31:30.000 Like it's not as likely that someone will target me as it is someone trying to target Tim, right?

02:31:35.000 That's just because Tim's the guy.

02:31:37.000 But that doesn't mean that people wouldn't be like, hey man, if I could take a pot shot at Phil, doesn't mean that they wouldn't.

02:31:43.000 Bro, they're the the the th they're threatening people.

02:31:47.000 I don't even know, I don't even know how they know who these people are.

02:31:51.000 The threats that are coming in right now.

02:31:52.000 I'm like, how how are you how are we getting these threats targeting, you know?

02:31:55.000 I don't want to single anybody up.

02:31:57.000 I'm just like, I just makes no sense.

02:31:59.000 So it it's it's always a a thing you have to that you have to worry about, especially you know everybody around here knows that we are in an extremely uh hostile politically charged environment.

02:32:14.000 Everybody's saying it.

02:32:15.000 Michael Knowles tweeted, Charlie Kirk would have been president.

02:32:17.000 Yeah, he's several other people had already tweeted we all knew that this man was gonna be president.

02:32:23.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

02:32:24.000 Do you think that had a motive in assassinating him?

02:32:27.000 I know it was mentioned earlier on the show.

02:32:29.000 He is he is he is not even a once-in-a-generation leader.

02:32:33.000 I mean, he's once in a century kind of leader.

02:32:36.000 Hopefully there will be more like him.

02:32:37.000 That's what he wanted.

02:32:40.000 I hope so.

02:32:41.000 I hope there's some young, there's some teenager who's watching all of this who wakes up tomorrow and starts doing push-ups, puts a chip put has a has a picture of turning point with Charlie on his wall, and every day he looks at it and he works as hard as he can, and he decides to carry that torch, but you know what?

02:32:59.000 I hope a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand kids all decide they want to they want to carry Charlie's mantle, and in five years we have ten thousand Charlie Kirks.

02:33:09.000 Yeah, he built it from the ground.

02:33:11.000 He didn't, he wasn't who he was when he was a kid.

02:33:14.000 I mean, he he became that man day after day doing that work.

02:33:18.000 This is scary.

02:33:19.000 I mean, the shooters at large.

02:33:20.000 And it seems like it wasn't just one person.

02:33:22.000 I think it kind of there's some videos, and people are pointing out people doing like weird hand things.

02:33:28.000 Could be security.

02:33:29.000 There's security guards.

02:33:31.000 They see somebody and they do a hat tap and a point, and that's a signal to other security.

02:33:35.000 Hand signs are common for security.

02:33:37.000 So I don't know for sure.

02:33:39.000 I don't know.

02:33:40.000 The BBC is reporting they're doing door-to-door searching right now.

02:33:43.000 And the What's that gonna do?

02:33:46.000 It just shows they have no idea where he is.

02:33:47.000 Right.

02:33:47.000 Yeah, that's horrible news.

02:33:49.000 That's like no idea where this guy is.

02:33:51.000 Premeditated murderers tend to get away with it.

02:33:54.000 They planned an escape route. 0.97

02:33:55.000 It is strange that the guy that they grabbed was screaming, shoot me, shoot me.

02:34:01.000 I don't know if he was involved or whatever.

02:34:02.000 That is weird, isn't it?

02:34:04.000 Yep.

02:34:05.000 Yeah, normally these people like figure on getting taken out after they you know accomplish their deed, whatever it happens to be, you know.

02:34:12.000 And this guy obviously didn't.

02:34:16.000 And the longer it goes, the less likely it is that they'll find him, you know.

02:34:24.000 I mean, did you want to uh add anything or shout anything out?

02:34:28.000 I usually shout my wife's store, but this isn't a time for that, honestly.

02:34:34.000 Well, right on, man.

02:34:35.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:34:37.000 Thanks.

02:34:37.000 See you, man.

02:34:38.000 We were getting ready, we are getting ready for the show, and uh Callan asked me, he's like, no ads then.

02:34:45.000 I was like, we are not doing any reads for anything or anybody.

02:34:50.000 Maximus retardius. 0.96

02:34:52.000 Welcome to the show.

02:34:54.000 Hey guys, thanks for having me.

02:34:56.000 Um up my question is uh you think this is the transfer man moment.

02:35:04.000 I I honestly scares me how much the left is rallying around it.

02:35:11.000 I would have thought it would have been the right, but they really are the party of shoot people you disagree with.

02:35:17.000 The the point I'd been making on the show, I'll I'll try and say a little bit more, I mean uncensored portion.

02:35:22.000 The left was waiting for the starting pistol.

02:35:26.000 They're all sitting there with guns in their hands saying they want to kill people on the right, but nobody knows if they're gonna be the one weirdo who gets who runs out, shoots somebody and is just a mass shooter.

02:35:35.000 With the assassination of Kirk, my fear is that these individuals are now not mass shooters. 0.97

02:35:42.000 If a if a lunatic antifa guy three months ago went to a went to a crowd of conservatives and shot people, he's another lunatic mass shirter. 0.91

02:35:50.000 They're gonna say he was a lunatic, and his and his words mean nothing. 0.85

02:35:54.000 With the assassination of Kirk, if these individuals go out, it will be called civil war, it will be called insurgency, and their actions will be lumped together as a political movement. 0.75

02:36:06.000 So I'm not saying they consider this and they're sitting there thinking this.

02:36:09.000 What they're actually thinking is, is it on?

02:36:12.000 It is.

02:36:13.000 Let's go.

02:36:14.000 They're sitting there waiting for someone to tell them what to do.

02:36:20.000 I think it's more likely the left kicks it off and then the right responds.

02:36:25.000 Right.

02:36:26.000 And it's how how does that response actually manifest?

02:36:31.000 That's that's the scarier part for the city.

02:36:34.000 That manifests as in the DOJ and the well, actually, all of the authority of the federal government finding and stamping out the problem.

02:36:47.000 Right now is is now I've said this before, now is when if there's going to be something like that to happen, now is when we want it to happen, because the conservatives are in control of the largest, most powerful government in human history.

02:37:07.000 Better it happened now than in ten years when there's Democrats that are in control of the largest, most powerful government in human history. 0.98

02:37:19.000 Bro, the comment someone someone in chat said the young Turk's comments are fucked. 1.00

02:37:24.000 They're fucked. 1.00

02:37:25.000 The some of them are okay. 1.00

02:37:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:37:27.000 You know.

02:37:28.000 The left online is insane.

02:37:30.000 Uh both fingers pointing the both both sides pointing fingers at each other's selves.

02:37:34.000 One person saying he was a living, breathing person.

02:37:34.000 Nothing.

02:37:37.000 But uh what is this one?

02:37:39.000 There is no middle ground with fascists.

02:37:42.000 One says uh what let's grab one of these careful F. Charlie Kirk, he got what he loved. 1.00

02:37:50.000 This shit's bots. 1.00

02:37:52.000 This shit will radicalize an infinite. 1.00

02:37:54.000 I think these are real people. 1.00

02:37:55.000 Some of them.

02:37:56.000 Yeah, I think they're real people.

02:37:58.000 Real human beings.

02:37:59.000 Some of them really be that some of them want to freak you out.

02:38:01.000 Elizabeth Warren, Senator Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts, was asked about um people saying Democrats need to tone down their rhetoric, and she said, Oh, please, why don't you start with the president of the United States?

02:38:13.000 Yeah, because bottom comments is not a bot. 0.98

02:38:14.000 She's Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts.

02:38:17.000 A senator.

02:38:17.000 She's a senator.

02:38:18.000 There's unreal.

02:38:19.000 Not that many of them.

02:38:20.000 Yeah.

02:38:21.000 Bottom comment here says, we pray Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, Pete Hex, F Rubio are next. 1.00

02:38:27.000 All of you F's go to hell. 1.00

02:38:30.000 I forgot the F Israel. 1.00

02:38:31.000 F Israel, F Trump. 0.87

02:38:33.000 Uh and I and I think that's run of the meal um feeling among leftists, not liberals, but I think the average viewer of TYT is a leftist. 0.97

02:38:44.000 And these people believe that these people are perpetrators of white supremacy.

02:38:50.000 That's what they think Charlie Kirk is. 0.82

02:38:52.000 He they think that he's a diehard racist.

02:38:54.000 They think that he supports genocide. 0.86

02:38:57.000 He supports people taking um over taking advantage of women's bodies because he's a pro-lifer.

02:39:02.000 Yeah.

02:39:03.000 Which is, I mean, remember, I don't remember what the actual oh, so this is after the October 7th attack, right?

02:39:11.000 There were people online saying, what did you think decolonization was?

02:39:15.000 Yep.

02:39:15.000 You know, papers, vibes.

02:39:19.000 The left are bloodthirsty.

02:39:21.000 They want violence because they believe that all of the things that make the West, the what make the West the West, are have been achieved through theft and through exploitation and by hurting the indigenous populations.

02:39:41.000 They have no historical context to their to their ideology.

02:39:46.000 You're exactly right.

02:39:47.000 They want to see violence.

02:39:50.000 They want to see the West torn down.

02:39:53.000 That is their goal.

02:39:54.000 You guys want to be radicalized?

02:39:57.000 Not really.

02:39:58.000 Well, you're about to be.

02:40:00.000 I'm already pretty radical.

02:40:02.000 That one comment there.

02:40:03.000 So you go there.

02:40:04.000 Here you go.

02:40:05.000 Before Charlie, before the incident.

02:40:08.000 This video was posted 20 hours ago, yesterday, by Black Lives Matter in response to the narrative about the assassination of Arena Zarutka.

02:40:08.000 Yeah.

02:40:19.000 All oppressed people have a right to violence. 1.00

02:40:21.000 And I'm going to tell you something.

02:40:22.000 It's like a right to be.

02:40:24.000 You gotta have the right place.

02:40:25.000 You gotta have the right time.

02:40:27.000 You gotta have the appropriate situation.

02:40:29.000 And I'm absolutely convinced that this is it.

02:40:32.000 Black Lives Matter's official account.

02:40:35.000 Verified.

02:40:36.000 I I went on Instagram and checked.

02:40:37.000 Yep.

02:40:39.000 Posted this.

02:40:39.000 It's from uh Born of Flame, I think it's called.

02:40:42.000 I don't know.

02:40:43.000 Uh is that what it's called?

02:40:44.000 Let me make sure.

02:40:46.000 Born in Flames, 1983 movie.

02:40:49.000 It's communist propaganda.

02:40:51.000 Yep.

02:40:51.000 And the woman is saying we have a right to violence.

02:40:54.000 They posted this in response to the narrative about the murder of Arena Zarutska.

02:40:59.000 This man killed this young woman for literally no reason.

02:41:03.000 And their response was justify it. 0.99

02:41:06.000 And it is fucked that on this day, I post this 11 30, 7 a.m. 1.00

02:41:13.000 These people, can you fucking believe it? 1.00

02:41:17.000 They posted yesterday that they have a right to engage in violence, and a day later Charlie Kirk is dead. 0.99

02:41:24.000 Yeah.

02:41:26.000 I do like look there.

02:41:28.000 We do need to get the get the calls because I I definitely need to get to my family.

02:41:33.000 And so I just want to make sure we stay we keep in the time.

02:41:35.000 But uh Maximus, did you want to add anything or shine anything out?

02:41:39.000 Uh no.

02:41:40.000 Uh thank you guys.

02:41:41.000 Um have a good night.

02:41:43.000 Thanks for calling.

02:41:45.000 Next up, we've got rotaps.

02:41:48.000 Yo.

02:41:50.000 Hey guys.

02:41:51.000 Uh first off, condolences.

02:41:53.000 You guys knew him I didn't.

02:41:55.000 So that's way more impactful.

02:42:00.000 Uh my question for you guys is how do we just like continue to discuss civilly with people of the left when they just assassinated the guy that did the best?

02:42:13.000 Or you're talking about Dowd getting fired?

02:42:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:16.000 Sorry about that.

02:42:17.000 Matthew Dowd got fired.

02:42:18.000 I saw the news, but I don't think it's that.

02:42:19.000 Who is that?

02:42:20.000 He's the guy who said you basically get what you deserve.

02:42:22.000 Oh, wow.

02:42:23.000 MSNBC guy.

02:42:24.000 Well, the to answer your question of how is one a case-by-case basis, treat everybody like individual humans when you meet them and give them respect that you want to be given.

02:42:34.000 And that's how you debate. 0.99

02:42:34.000 We're fucked. 0.99

02:42:35.000 No, we're fucked. 1.00

02:42:37.000 Pisco can talked shit about Peace goes our resident liberal guy for culture war. 1.00

02:42:42.000 He said Trump's statement was disgraceful. 0.99

02:42:47.000 I mean, I don't I believe you.

02:42:47.000 Okay.

02:42:49.000 I don't put a lot of faith in what that guy says.

02:42:51.000 How do we look?

02:42:52.000 It's one thing when somebody wants to come on the show because they want to argue tax policy.

02:42:57.000 It's another thing when someone is assassinated, someone who is a friend of ours, and the response is Trump was bad for condemning the violence.

02:43:06.000 What did he say exactly?

02:43:07.000 About what? 0.99

02:43:08.000 I saw his tweet when he tweeted it, and I was like, what the fuck, bro? 0.99

02:43:11.000 And this is in response to Trump's video speech he just gave. 0.99

02:43:17.000 This is why I'm like, I Trump's statement from the Oval Office was absolutely disgraceful, a stain on our country.

02:43:23.000 Why?

02:43:24.000 I don't know.

02:43:24.000 Did he say why?

02:43:25.000 He did tweet rip Charlie Kirk, and I'll give him that one.

02:43:28.000 I really I liked Trump's speech.

02:43:30.000 I was I thought it was a good speech.

02:43:33.000 I will watch it again, like it was a good speech.

02:43:36.000 It's comforting.

02:43:37.000 It looks scripted.

02:43:38.000 Well, of course.

02:43:39.000 It's not scripted.

02:43:40.000 Of course it's scripted.

02:43:41.000 From the heart, I know, but like you can script something and have it be from the heart, you know?

02:43:45.000 Yeah, you wrote it beforehand because you didn't want to stutter and I doubt he wrote it.

02:43:49.000 You have speech writers.

02:43:50.000 Every president has speech writers, and you have somebody who's a writer who can write in your voice, and you work with them to get something together that works for you.

02:43:58.000 That is what you want to say.

02:44:00.000 And you know, you're running the entire world, basically.

02:44:03.000 You need someone to help you organize your thoughts.

02:44:05.000 Why not?

02:44:05.000 Uh that's people have editors, I have editors.

02:44:08.000 We gotta let Trump run the world, is what we gotta do.

02:44:10.000 We gotta let him go to Russia and go to China and diplomatize.

02:44:13.000 That's a whole other conversation. 0.97

02:44:15.000 All this just this domestic distraction bullshit has got a phase. 0.95

02:44:19.000 Well, this is not quite domestic. 0.98

02:44:22.000 Not the Charlie, not this. 0.99

02:44:23.000 I was thinking about the Epstein stuff is like just let this go so he can do his shit. 0.99

02:44:26.000 Oh, yeah, I don't give a shit about that anymore. 1.00

02:44:28.000 I don't care. 0.99

02:44:29.000 Well, so you know, to the question, I guess.

02:44:32.000 This is this is the big challenge in will will what will we see from the from the left?

02:44:41.000 Are the liberal types going to break away and be like we don't have anything to do with this? 0.96

02:44:45.000 Will the radical left get boxed out because they they're nuts, or will regular liberals be like fascist? 0.69

02:44:53.000 Well, here's here's here's my thought on it is I I have this friend who well, he's not really a friend anymore because he's he's way radicalized. 0.73

02:45:02.000 He just interviewed at a nonprofit in Chicago to help uh immigrants and be a ice radar. 0.96

02:45:11.000 So if an ICE if ICE is spotted anywhere in Chicago, he's supposed to notify his nonprofit, and he's been posting like, yay, Charlie Kirk's dead, and all this other crazy shit.

02:45:27.000 And it's like, how do you how do you have a civil discussion with someone when they're that far gone? 0.84

02:45:34.000 You can't.

02:45:35.000 You gotta be com confident in you you and who you are, and you walk into that room with that confidence, that will help you debate anybody.

02:45:43.000 Yeah, but you the there's no if if they're going to respond the way that he's talking about, there's the you can't have a dialogue with them.

02:45:51.000 But there's you're just talking to a person that's having a conniption fit.

02:45:55.000 I wanna I wanna I want to show this image real quick.

02:45:58.000 You don't know how they're gonna respond as much.

02:46:00.000 This is a woman on TikTok who who wrote, when you've been manifesting it to happen, but it ends up happening to Charlie Kirk.

02:46:06.000 What y'all need to understand is there are people that loved Charlie Kirk, and they don't view themselves as important.

02:46:13.000 Rudyard pointed out that there are many young men who feel like they have no purpose, that their lives are meaningless, and when you have societies with large amounts of these young men, you get revolutions in civil war.

02:46:26.000 My fear right now is that this woman who is known by some of these men will be murdered brutally and mercilessly.

02:46:34.000 And he's going to just say, I'm no one, I'm nothing, and my life is forfeit, but you deserve this.

02:46:40.000 And if it's this is the problem of escalation.

02:46:43.000 There is uh uh this is this is from a post about the Spanish Civil War.

02:46:49.000 On the final day before the Spanish Civil War broke out, the head of Spain's right wing political coalition warned on the floor of parliament.

02:46:55.000 The left had pushed the nation past its breaking point.

02:46:58.000 He read off dozens of calls in leftist newspapers for the right to be subject to extermination and ended his speech with the following prophecy.

02:47:04.000 The day will come when the violence you have unleashed will be turned against you.

02:47:08.000 My fear is that for posts like this, there's going to be some guy who thinks he's nothing.

02:47:16.000 He lives in a basement, he has no job, he's overweight, out of shape, and he has a gun.

02:47:22.000 Cooler heads must prevail.

02:47:25.000 But my fear is that when you post stuff like this, I don't even get it.

02:47:28.000 What is what does that mean?

02:47:29.000 She's saying she's saying that she's been praying for for Trump to die, but Char Charlie died instead. 0.78

02:47:33.000 There's gonna be an enraged incel-like dude who is just gonna snap and be like, there's nothing else in my life.

02:47:42.000 And he's gonna go and he's gonna retaliate over these posts.

02:47:45.000 Just and he's and he's and it's not gonna be for care of what happens afterwards.

02:47:49.000 It's not gonna be for an ideological goal.

02:47:51.000 It's gonna be out of vitriol and hatred.

02:47:53.000 You look at the um was it Rwanda?

02:47:57.000 The genocide.

02:47:58.000 The Tootsies were massacred. 0.96

02:47:58.000 That was it. 0.96

02:48:00.000 Is that yeah, I think I don't know which one, but it's because you have two two sides saying kill them, fuck them, they're evil, and the people who do it don't know or care why. 1.00

02:48:08.000 They're just like, I fucking hate you, and they do it. 1.00

02:48:12.000 I do want to play this. 0.99

02:48:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:48:14.000 I think Serge, you posted this, right?

02:48:16.000 Yeah, I did the same thing you did. 0.99

02:48:18.000 Uh he said he said the same thing you need to see America's fucked. 0.98

02:48:20.000 Also there is a closer uh uh footage of Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck here as well, where you can cli Oh, he's dead. 0.99

02:48:29.000 Oh my god, he's definitely dead.

02:48:30.000 Oh my god, I can't believe I just saw that.

02:48:32.000 Oh my god.

02:48:38.000 Oh my god.

02:48:39.000 Oh, he definitely got shot in the neck.

02:48:41.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:48:44.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:48:46.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:49:03.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:49:04.000 No, I I that that footage that you do not want to see that.

02:49:08.000 You do not want to see that.

02:49:09.000 You do not want to see that.

02:49:10.000 That footage, that footage, the close-up footage shows very clearly immediately blood pouring out of his jugular.

02:49:17.000 He gets shot in the neck, blood pouring out of his jugular, like an unimaginable amount of blood pouring out of his jugular.

02:49:24.000 There is very little chance that he uh survived that.

02:49:28.000 I don't know.

02:49:28.000 I don't know if he did.

02:49:30.000 Uh, but uh I it doesn't seem like it.

02:49:34.000 Oh my god. 0.98

02:49:35.000 That was fucking devastating. 1.00

02:49:38.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:49:39.000 I really don't know what to say. 0.99

02:49:43.000 Oh my lord.

02:49:44.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:49:47.000 Holy fuck, America is so absolutely fucked. 1.00

02:49:55.000 I I I'm really starting to feel like France Ferdinand moment. 1.00

02:50:00.000 I'm I'm my throat's starting to burn up.

02:50:02.000 So I'm gonna have to we're gonna have to go quick on this next one. 0.99

02:50:05.000 Sorry, man, but I don't want to fuck my throat up again. 0.98

02:50:08.000 World War One accomplished nothing. 1.00

02:50:10.000 Uh did sorry, brother.

02:50:12.000 Did you want to add anything or shiny thing out?

02:50:14.000 I like it.

02:50:15.000 I would just encourage everyone to watch 1965 Paul Harvey's if I were the devil.

02:50:20.000 Right on that.

02:50:21.000 That's what we're fighting against.

02:50:23.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:50:25.000 Yeah, I'd like to encourage America not to commit suicide.

02:50:29.000 All right, last but not least, we've got slick like Europe did in World War One. 0.89

02:50:34.000 Europe basically committed suicide in World War One.

02:50:36.000 Let's not do that.

02:50:37.000 Yeah, they handed it.

02:50:37.000 How's it going, brother?

02:50:40.000 No, and they killed all their men.

02:50:43.000 What's up, man?

02:50:43.000 Hello.

02:50:44.000 Yeah, I'm I'm here.

02:50:46.000 Uh I heard uh you guys talking, so I apologize.

02:50:49.000 Um I know you want to go quick.

02:50:51.000 Uh I'm sorry for you guys.

02:50:53.000 This is this has been a terrible day.

02:50:57.000 I'm sorry, that video just got me all worked up.

02:51:00.000 Give me a sec.

02:51:01.000 Um there is a closer uh it autoplayed.

02:51:07.000 Oh man.

02:51:09.000 Okay, my question is this kind of the big ask.

02:51:15.000 The president's job is to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

02:51:19.000 At this point, we have seen the result of Democrat policies in the cities and schools, persecution via the courts and by weaponized law enforcement.

02:51:27.000 We've seen the political violence spurred on by the rhetoric of politicians and pundits alike, and finally the apologetics from the leftist mainstream media encouraging, whitewashing, excusing, and straight up calling for violence.

02:51:38.000 Should we be, especially those with large platforms, making the big ask and calling for the president to go all in and recognize the Democrat Party and their nonprofit NGO corporate media allies to be the terrorist organization that they are?

02:51:50.000 No.

02:51:51.000 That's just basically saying, should Trump declare a civil war right now.

02:51:57.000 What we want to happen is for the moderate Democrat types, people like my liberal friends to have a have a come to Jesus moment, lit figuratively or literally, and be like, I don't want, I don't want this, I don't want to be associated with it.

02:52:11.000 These wacko leftists that are cheering for this need to be viewed as the villains they are. 1.00

02:52:16.000 So we don't want Trump to say, Democrats, aha, we're coming for you. 0.69

02:52:20.000 He needs to say, Democrats, we're with you.

02:52:22.000 Let's condemn the violent leftists together.

02:52:27.000 I don't think you can though, because I think they're entrenched.

02:52:30.000 But I don't know, man.

02:52:43.000 You got anything you want to add, bud.

02:52:46.000 I guess nobody has as much to ask.

02:52:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I just I think until the until the funding's cut off and until these people uh get prosecutor charged for inciting violence, encouraging it, fomenting.

02:52:58.000 Well, the I mean that I get, but to like to declare the Democrats and all NGOs or the NGOs that working with them as to be terrorist organizations would just be for Trump to come out and say civil war is now.

02:53:09.000 And we don't want that to happen.

02:53:11.000 So there's a process organization.

02:53:14.000 I'm talking about the people at the head, the people with the money that are promoting this.

02:53:18.000 I'm not talking about the underlings because that's that's what the desired result and starts arresting prominent Democrats, their fundraisers and politicians, you will have civil war in two seconds.

02:53:29.000 The fastest way to get left the left to buy a bunch of guns and go start massacring people would be for Trump to arrest a prominent liberal uh fun donor. 1.00

02:53:37.000 Yeah, we gotta work together to root out insane extreme leftism and rightism, whatever, extreme politicizations, we've got to root that shit out together. 0.95

02:53:46.000 The problem with that though is the people that have been attacked have not been the extreme people. 0.97

02:53:52.000 Charlie Kirk was not extreme.

02:53:55.000 And Donald Trump is not extreme.

02:53:58.000 He's a Democrat from 30 years ago.

02:54:00.000 Yeah, he's like a 1986 Democrat.

02:54:02.000 Yeah.

02:54:03.000 So if the people that are getting attacked are not extreme.

02:54:11.000 You know, it's it's not about extremism on the right.

02:54:16.000 It's about extremism on the left.

02:54:18.000 And you can't work with extremists when the extremists don't want to talk to you.

02:54:24.000 Remember, the left are the group that says don't platform the right.

02:54:28.000 The left are the people that say don't talk to people on the right.

02:54:31.000 Don't even engage with people on the right, because then you're giving them credibility.

02:54:35.000 It's the left that tells you to stop talking to your parents because they emotionally abused you by feeding you mac and cheese with Frank footers in it or something.

02:54:43.000 It's a death cult.

02:54:44.000 Yes.

02:54:46.000 So I get it.

02:54:47.000 I guess slowly or quickly, gradually, then suddenly, I kind of feel like I have no reason at this point to say that we are not headed towards a civil war or in one.

02:55:02.000 Every step of the way, we have we have stated escalation seems like the probable next step.

02:55:07.000 And I always say, maybe I'm wrong.

02:55:09.000 And this is the one moment where people wake up.

02:55:09.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

02:55:12.000 I say this every fucking time. 0.99

02:55:14.000 Maybe this is the one moment where people wake up and go, okay, okay, this has gone too far. 0.99

02:55:17.000 Republicans and Democrats, liberals, conservatives, leftists, they all hug and hold hands and say, let's not fight anymore.

02:55:22.000 We love you, we're neighbors.

02:55:24.000 And then this happens.

02:55:26.000 And the response that we're seeing.

02:55:29.000 Now I will say Hassan's reaction, as it's been reported that he's very against this, he's very shocked by it.

02:55:36.000 Could be that wake-up call where we could shun the extremists, and you're gonna get here's what I'm hoping.

02:55:43.000 Prominent leftists and you know, lib streamers concerned about being arrested as high profile targets, just say, guys, we don't want or getting shot and killed. 0.97

02:55:52.000 Say we stop, stop, shut up. 0.98

02:55:54.000 No.

02:55:55.000 Now the question is, will YouTube start banning these people?

02:55:58.000 When January 6th happened, YouTube shut our sh our uh chat down because the comments were all cheering for it.

02:56:06.000 Will they do the same to the left?

02:56:11.000 So like did you want to add anything or shout anything out?

02:56:14.000 Yeah, I'll just I wanted to answer Ian's question.

02:56:17.000 He said, What is the point of this life?

02:56:19.000 Um towards the beginning of the uncensored show.

02:56:21.000 Uh and you had mentioned it's a battle between good and evil.

02:56:24.000 I would I would just argue that the battle's already been won, and it's not a battle between good and evil.

02:56:29.000 Uh now the whole purpose of this is to glorify God and everything that he represents.

02:56:34.000 Be a good justice, truth, love.

02:56:37.000 And so you know, with situations like this.

02:56:40.000 It's not just a testimony of Charlie's life that he lived and what he represented, and what he was in ser working in service to.

02:56:48.000 But it's also these individuals who respond with glee and celebration and mockery.

02:56:54.000 They're gonna have to stand before a holy, holy, holy God and give an account for that.

02:56:58.000 And they are not going to.

02:56:59.000 They're not gonna be able to do that.

02:57:01.000 They won't be able to stand in the judgment.

02:57:02.000 And so ultimately, that which is good will be glorified either by the testimony of the wicked or the testimony of those who uh live by faith.

02:57:12.000 So um that's the that's the point of this.

02:57:16.000 Right on.

02:57:17.000 Did you want to shout anything out?

02:57:19.000 No, I love you guys.

02:57:20.000 Be safe.

02:57:21.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:57:22.000 Yeah, well, Hassan is egging it on.

02:57:25.000 His tweets are all just basically escalating.

02:57:27.000 He already moved on to the aren't you gonna be concerned about the leftist figures now, Tim?

02:57:31.000 You're not worried about it.

02:57:32.000 No, he's saying the right is is calling for the death of the left.

02:57:34.000 He's just there is uh this video from TMZ I want to play.

02:57:38.000 Live streaming all day during this this tragedy.

02:57:41.000 Um when something happened in our office, uh, as we were reporting the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

02:57:51.000 Um there were some people in the back room away from our news desk here who were watching a car chase, and they were laughing, they were clapping, and you could hear it out here. 0.95

02:58:05.000 He's fucking and guys we want to make a couple of things clear. 0.96

02:58:10.000 One is that I know these people, and they were not laughing, they were not reacting that way about Charlie Brooks. 0.99

02:58:20.000 You expect me to believe that assassination.

02:58:22.000 They were not, they would not work here if they did.

02:58:24.000 And that being said, we acknowledge that it was horrible timing, and for that we are sorry.

02:58:31.000 We apologize, we apologize, get it to hear that.

02:58:34.000 And I get why if you're watching the stream, you may have felt that that's what the laughter was about.

02:58:40.000 We assure you, it was not about that.

02:58:43.000 I respect that, I accept their apology.

02:58:44.000 I believe them.

02:58:45.000 Uh, people have pointed out that there were uh no car chases at this time that were happening on the news or anything like that.

02:58:53.000 But they could have been watching an old car chase video, someone showed him a YouTube video.

02:58:56.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:58:57.000 What matters is the leadership of TMZ said it shouldn't happen, it was bad.

02:59:02.000 They wouldn't work here if that's what happened, and that means culturally, they're on our side, they're not on the left side, and this is what we want as many individuals to say it's not good and it shouldn't have happened, so I respect that.

02:59:13.000 But my throat's starting to hurt.

02:59:16.000 I've been crying a bit today.

02:59:17.000 So I'm gonna go to bed and be with my family.

02:59:20.000 Drink a little salt.

02:59:21.000 Tomorrow will be another day.

02:59:22.000 I'm gonna drink Beam Dream.

02:59:23.000 Oh, I'm not kidding.

02:59:24.000 I drink that every single day.

02:59:26.000 There's salt, is there salt in it?

02:59:27.000 Like electrolyte.

02:59:28.000 I'm pretty sure magnesium, L-the-in, it's got all the good stuff.

02:59:31.000 And I sleep like a rock.

02:59:33.000 Oh, nice.

02:59:33.000 So, guys, everybody stay safe, stay vigilant.

02:59:36.000 Uh, thanks everybody for being here.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - September 11, 2025

Charlie Kirk Assassinated, Suspect In Custody | Timcast IRL

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