Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Chicago Bears LEAVE CHICAGO | Timcast IRL

00:01:19.000 This may be the most shockingly offensive story I've ever covered.

00:01:24.000 And if there is anything that would drive me to rioting, it's not politics, it's this.

00:01:29.000 The Chicago Bears are gone.

00:01:31.000 No more Chicago Bears.

00:01:32.000 That's it.

00:01:33.000 They're the Hammond Indiana Bears now.

00:01:36.000 Chicago, my hometown, has given up one of its most important traditions. 1.00

00:01:42.000 And now, to all the liberals watching, I'm going to complain about immigrants.

00:01:46.000 I'm going to complain about the economy.

00:01:48.000 I'm going to complain about. 0.93

00:01:49.000 That's not democracy in Chicago.

00:01:51.000 And that's what we're going to talk about as to how you lose one of the most iconic things your city has the Chicago Bears.

00:02:00.000 Can you believe it?

00:02:01.000 I can't believe it.

00:02:02.000 I can't.

00:02:03.000 We knew it was going to happen because they've been talking about either moving them to Arlington Heights or Indiana.

00:02:03.000 I seriously, it's nuts.

00:02:08.000 At least if it was Arlington Heights, a suburb of Chicago, it's Illinois and just kind of the Chicago suburb Bears.

00:02:15.000 But when you cross that state line, you want to play games.

00:02:18.000 And then everyone's like, what about the Giants?

00:02:19.000 What about the Commandant?

00:02:20.000 Get out of here.

00:02:21.000 Get out of here.

00:02:21.000 Chicago Bears.

00:02:23.000 So that's the most important thing that I could talk about today, despite the fact that right now, ballots were stolen in the California election.

00:02:30.000 More accusations of cheating.

00:02:33.000 A ballot dump came in with zero votes for Spencer Pratt.

00:02:37.000 I know all of that is important, but they took away my Bears.

00:02:41.000 I will riot.

00:02:41.000 Mark my words.

00:02:43.000 Everybody's pissed about it.

00:02:44.000 Everybody from Chicago.

00:02:45.000 You know what?

00:02:46.000 I'm going to say it. 0.93

00:02:47.000 If it turns out they did it on a Friday of all days, the stupidest day to do it, they probably put out the news about the Chicago Bears leaving Chicago on a Friday because I want to bury the story.

00:02:55.000 But I'm going to tell you this, my friends. 0.74

00:02:57.000 It's the weekend, and people have the weekend.

00:03:01.000 I wouldn't be surprised if they riot over this.

00:03:03.000 Well, I'd be half surprised, I guess.

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00:04:31.000 My friends, don't forget to smash that like button, share the show with Everyone, you know, joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Matthew Williamson.

00:04:41.000 Who are you?

00:04:41.000 What do you do?

00:04:42.000 Well, thanks for having me on.

00:04:43.000 Greatly appreciate it.

00:04:44.000 I am a writer and an editor.

00:04:46.000 I am the host of two programs known as Do You Even Read in the Digital Archipelago.

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00:05:11.000 I've been in IM 1776, the Mars Review of Books, and more often than not, I'm usually a guest on Orrin McIntyre's program.

00:05:16.000 So thanks for having me on.

00:05:17.000 Yeah.

00:05:18.000 When you first came in, you know, Kellen had shared the news about the Bears leaving Chicago.

00:05:22.000 And I just saw you, like, you hulked out.

00:05:23.000 You started smashing things.

00:05:24.000 And we had to calm you down.

00:05:25.000 We were like, stop, stop.

00:05:27.000 And you were like, ah.

00:05:28.000 Forced the suit jacket back on you.

00:05:30.000 It was real rough.

00:05:30.000 I know.

00:05:31.000 But at the same time, I'm forcing myself to kind of react because it's like, man, this is a really bad time to announce that I'm a Green Bay fan.

00:05:37.000 Oh, no.

00:05:38.000 Oh, no.

00:05:39.000 I know I'm in hostage with the hammer.

00:05:41.000 No, Green Bay's fine.

00:05:41.000 Relax.

00:05:42.000 You know, they're like our neighbors.

00:05:44.000 It's a good rivalry.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:45.000 So it's, you know what it is?

00:05:46.000 It's like, um, Like you and your brother will get into a fight.

00:05:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:49.000 And you'll get real mad.

00:05:50.000 But then if someone else threatens your brother, you're like, you turn immediately, like, no, So it's like with Green Bay, you know, we'll smack talk, but.

00:05:57.000 But if the Vikings say something, you and I get mad.

00:05:59.000 Yeah, no, wait.

00:06:00.000 It's war, baby.

00:06:01.000 All right, we got the boys hanging out.

00:06:02.000 Hi, everybody.

00:06:03.000 Ian Crossland up in it.

00:06:04.000 What's going on, guys?

00:06:05.000 What's up, everybody?

00:06:06.000 I'm Phil Bonte, singing for All That Remains.

00:06:09.000 What's up, everyone?

00:06:09.000 Carter here and Brando behind me.

00:06:12.000 Let's get into the news.

00:06:13.000 We got this from WTHRNBC.

00:06:17.000 Welcome to Indiana.

00:06:19.000 Bears board votes to move the team from Chicago to Indiana.

00:06:24.000 I would like to just say, excuse me, congratulations to Indiana.

00:06:28.000 You've won.

00:06:29.000 Indiana's just been doing better than Illinois for a long time.

00:06:32.000 We all know it.

00:06:33.000 And don't get me wrong, you had those state senators that didn't want to redistrict, and, well, they got what was coming to them.

00:06:40.000 Indiana just has generally been better for a lot of reasons in terms of freedom and gun rights and buying cigarettes, I guess, as long as I've been around.

00:06:48.000 Everybody in Chicago knows it.

00:06:50.000 And now they've taken from us our Bears, they have done it.

00:06:54.000 And well, I say, good match, good match.

00:06:56.000 My anger is now with Indiana for actually securing the Bears, the Indiana Bears.

00:07:02.000 You can't use the word Chicago anymore.

00:07:04.000 I forbid it.

00:07:05.000 Chicago failed.

00:07:07.000 We failed.

00:07:08.000 And I know a lot of you might be saying, there's going to be a mix, right?

00:07:10.000 A lot of people care about sports.

00:07:11.000 They care about our iconic teams, our traditions.

00:07:14.000 They care about watching football.

00:07:16.000 And I respect that.

00:07:17.000 But there are a lot of people who are probably saying, like, I don't care about sports ball.

00:07:20.000 Who cares?

00:07:21.000 This is not about sports ball.

00:07:23.000 And I hate that word too.

00:07:24.000 It's like people make fun of sports.

00:07:25.000 I like sports.

00:07:26.000 I'm not a big football or basketball watcher, but I respect it.

00:07:29.000 And it's physical feats, they're very important.

00:07:30.000 Get out there, get exercise.

00:07:32.000 But there are a lot of people, you need to understand when you look at this as a sports story, it's not.

00:07:36.000 This is a story about the American tradition.

00:07:38.000 It's a story about what our great grandparents, our grandparents, and our parents built for us.

00:07:43.000 And it's about how we have failed and we have given up our traditions.

00:07:48.000 Now, you may be saying, ah, but the Bears, you know, listen, I'm going to tell you honestly, I am biased.

00:07:53.000 I am from Chicago.

00:07:54.000 What the Bears mean to someone from Chicago, It's iconic.

00:07:58.000 It's the signs.

00:07:59.000 It's the flags.

00:07:59.000 It's soldier field.

00:08:01.000 It's growing up and having this be a part of your life as something that was built to be shared and we have good memories of and we cheer for it.

00:08:08.000 And I know you guys feel that way about your hometown teams as well, be it small or big.

00:08:13.000 When I see this story, I ask myself how it is that a city gave up on securing one of its most iconic traditions?

00:08:22.000 How is it that when it came to a vote, the mayor, the governor, the system in place said, we don't care?

00:08:30.000 Care about our sports team.

00:08:32.000 Now, again, let's remove sports team from the equation and talk about life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the traditions, and the things that are all around us.

00:08:40.000 When your governors, when your mayors, when your politicians come to a vote and they ask the people, hey, I want to get reelected.

00:08:47.000 What do you care about?

00:08:48.000 When the people say we don't care about our traditions, it's not just sports, it's jurisprudence, it's the Fifth Amendment, it's the First Amendment, it's the Second Amendment, all of these things eroding all around us now exemplified right in the Faces of your average person seeing an iconic sports team be stripped away from our hometown.

00:09:07.000 And many of you may say, Tim, who cares?

00:09:09.000 It's sports.

00:09:10.000 What I say is this. 1.00

00:09:11.000 We have brought in people not from this country, many of them welcomed with open arms, and I respect that, but many of them illegally.

00:09:18.000 And they were brought in under the cover of night by Biden and by many of these Democrats illicitly, flown on planes, dropped to the tune of millions of individuals.

00:09:28.000 Some of these people get amnesty.

00:09:30.000 Some of these people are protected by the likes of Barack Obama.

00:09:33.000 These people have kids, these people get citizenship, but they are not here following the moral and cultural traditions that were built by our families and our fathers and mothers for us.

00:09:45.000 And with all due respect to these people, I understand why they vote for what they do.

00:09:49.000 But when the question comes to a city, what shall we allocate for production in the budget?

00:09:55.000 We have this much money from taxes and from income.

00:09:59.000 What should we spend?

00:10:00.000 A country, a people, they say we vote for our traditions. 1.00

00:10:05.000 But when you bring in these newcomers, they say, I don't know what the bears are, and I don't care that you built them.

00:10:13.000 So when the vote comes around, the politicians say, We don't need money for the Bears. 1.00

00:10:17.000 We don't need money for our traditions, for our icons, for what this city means anymore, because it is now majority newcomers. 1.00

00:10:25.000 And therein lies the big problem. 1.00

00:10:27.000 Let me stop ranting on this.

00:10:28.000 You can tell I'm pissed off about it, but we've got a statement here from George H. McCaskey and President Kevin Warren saying Yesterday, the Chicago Bears Board of Directors met and voted to advance our stadium development project in Hammond, Indiana, with the exact site to be selected.

00:10:42.000 We believe a world class stadium project in Hammond will transform the region, connecting northwest Indiana to the south side of Chicago through the loop.

00:10:49.000 And across neighborhoods in the suburbs stretching north of the city, it will bring Chicago land together and deliver new opportunities to its residents and businesses.

00:10:57.000 I'm just going to say it right now.

00:10:59.000 I'm from the south side of Chicago.

00:11:02.000 I never went to Indiana.

00:11:03.000 You know why we go to Indiana?

00:11:04.000 Cigarettes.

00:11:05.000 That's what people go to Indiana for.

00:11:06.000 They drive the half an hour to Indiana to buy cheap cigarettes and then illegally bring them over to sell Lucy's at Keggers in warehouses.

00:11:15.000 So when they're like, Indiana is, of course, part of the Chicago land area, that means nothing.

00:11:20.000 To the people who grew up in this city.

00:11:22.000 So let me just end my rant furiously just by saying this is exactly exemplifying, and I hope it reaches the ears of people, the eyes of people who aren't really paying attention to politics.

00:11:34.000 You may live in New York, you may live in California, you may live in Texas, and you may have seen maybe you saw the Redskins get turned into the commanders when they vote to strip you of your traditions and iconography and what your culture is and was and what you grew up and what you love.

00:11:50.000 And I hope people outside of Chicago can recognize what it means when you have decades of jokes, of media, of movies, of stories about your iconic team, and then one day they vote to take it away.

00:12:04.000 Your history does not matter to these people.

00:12:06.000 And that's what we are watching be stripped from us.

00:12:08.000 For me, I care about the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, I care about baseball and apple pie.

00:12:13.000 And now it's come to the faces of regular people when the city can't even maintain its own iconic traditions.

00:12:20.000 I am going to smash something right now.

00:12:23.000 Look, I mean, this kind of thing, the changing of American society is something that we've been seeing happen.

00:12:32.000 It was slowly happening, I think, in the early aughts into the teens.

00:12:36.000 And then with the George Floyd riots in 2020, with the whole BLM and stuff like that, all of the massive changes to the statues that had to be taken down, all of the phrases that became, you're not allowed to say them anymore.

00:12:54.000 This kind of stuff is directly because the populations of the United States, the populations of different areas in the United States, have substantively changed, right?

00:13:04.000 So, America is not populated with as many Americans, people that value America, that value our history, that value our culture.

00:13:14.000 There are just fewer Americans, particularly in cities, particularly in areas.

00:13:19.000 I literally warned of this when I was talking about Springfield, Ohio, and them eating the dogs and eating the cats. 0.64

00:13:25.000 When I said, You have 100 people, and they have a baseball field that was built by granddad, and they go to their town hall meeting and say, Hey, what should we spend our town's budget on this year?

00:13:35.000 And everyone agrees, We love our baseball field.

00:13:37.000 We love what Granddad built for us.

00:13:38.000 And they all clap and cheer and say, Our kids are going to play baseball too.

00:13:41.000 And then Joe Biden brings in 200 Haitians.

00:13:44.000 And next year, when they go to vote and they say, Should we maintain the baseball field? 0.99

00:13:47.000 All of the people from that town say yes.

00:13:50.000 And the 200 Haitians outvote them, saying, We want a migrant welcome center.

00:13:53.000 I'm not blaming them for wanting a migrant welcome center.

00:13:56.000 I understand why they do.

00:13:57.000 I am blaming the government for jamming people who don't respect our culture and traditions into our communities and stripping us of what we value. 1.00

00:14:05.000 You might be right that the illegal immigrants caused the. 1.00

00:14:08.000 Not just the. 1.00

00:14:08.000 I'm joking. 1.00

00:14:09.000 That might be something to do with it.

00:14:10.000 But I'm desensitized because my Cleveland Browns got taken from me in the 90s and went to Baltimore.

00:14:14.000 It's hyper capitalism.

00:14:16.000 These guys are chasing cheaper taxes in a cheap stadium.

00:14:18.000 No, no, I disagree.

00:14:19.000 How can you argue?

00:14:20.000 It's the Federal Reserve.

00:14:21.000 I blame the Federal Reserve.

00:14:22.000 I disagree.

00:14:22.000 It's been happening for 100 years.

00:14:23.000 I totally disagree.

00:14:24.000 I don't think that there's any other way to do it.

00:14:26.000 The issue right now.

00:14:26.000 Taxes, they're going to put cheaper, better stadiums in a different state.

00:14:30.000 The Soldier Field is small.

00:14:32.000 It's from an older era.

00:14:33.000 And they want to be able to do more events.

00:14:35.000 They want to be able to have a larger audience, like more people in the stands.

00:14:38.000 They want to be able to make more money.

00:14:39.000 And so they went to the city and said, what can we do?

00:14:41.000 And the city said, we won't do anything for you.

00:14:43.000 So they said, well, something has to be done.

00:14:45.000 So the Bears started entertaining other sites, Arlington Heights and Hammond, Indiana.

00:14:49.000 The city could absolutely allocate the funds to a bigger and better stadium and expansion and move it and keep it in Chicago.

00:14:57.000 And they decided not to do it.

00:14:58.000 And the motivation.

00:14:59.000 That's just it.

00:15:00.000 Sorry.

00:15:00.000 We're sorry.

00:15:00.000 Just real quick.

00:15:01.000 Hopefully they were like, you know what?

00:15:02.000 And real quick, to your point about capitalism, yes, I agree.

00:15:05.000 And what we are asking for, what I am asking for is not capitalism.

00:15:09.000 I am asking for government subsidy.

00:15:11.000 I am saying, of the things we spend money on, and we look in New York City and they're dumping tens of millions of dollars. 1.00

00:15:16.000 On hotels for illegal immigrants. 0.58

00:15:18.000 I am just asking that they give tax subsidies and allocate public funds to something the people of Chicago want and care about. 0.99

00:15:26.000 Instead, they built migrant camps on the South Side, and the black community was outraged saying, We are being replaced. 0.95

00:15:33.000 They take our money and they build things we don't want, and they refuse to build the things that we do. 0.97

00:15:38.000 That's what pisses me off.

00:15:39.000 It may be that they did the math, and they're like, If we put $1.2 billion into a stadium, we're going to recoup it over 19 years with inflation.

00:15:46.000 Like, what's the value here?

00:15:47.000 The people in North Indiana are still going to take the L up into Chicago and hang out all night.

00:15:51.000 Because the issue is not money, and that's the point.

00:15:55.000 I think this is all about money.

00:15:56.000 It's not.

00:15:56.000 You said subsidies, right?

00:15:57.000 The issue for me, and what I am mad about, is that when we as a collective decide to pool our money towards government, which includes infrastructure projects, it should include things like iconic traditions that also generate revenue and are important for the morale of a people and a city.

00:16:14.000 The issue is when it comes to the question of allocating funds for this, your voter base is no longer Chicagoan.

00:16:21.000 It is no longer America.

00:16:23.000 You now have people saying, we don't.

00:16:25.000 Look, we're going to vote for you, but we don't care about this.

00:16:27.000 So, Pritzker and Johnson and whoever else is running is taking into consideration if I decide to allocate a billion dollars or whatever, some ridiculous number, towards making sure the Chicago Bears stay the Chicago Bears, will I get votes?

00:16:40.000 The answer is no, because you have young people who don't care about this country and our traditions, and you have people who aren't from this country who don't care about our country and our traditions.

00:16:50.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 It is about the changing of what the population is.

00:16:57.000 Because the people of Chicago, they don't care about things that are American anymore.

00:17:04.000 I mean, that's a grand generalization.

00:17:04.000 Oh, geez.

00:17:06.000 You might be right about some of them, but we've got to look at the books to know what the economic projections of this are before we make a decision.

00:17:12.000 It's all about the economic productions.

00:17:14.000 It's all about economics.

00:17:17.000 Okay, you just said that we have to look to know.

00:17:20.000 Then you made the assertion that you know.

00:17:22.000 And those things are mutually exclusive.

00:17:24.000 Well, I mean, can't we pull this up?

00:17:25.000 I mean, what did Hammond offer them?

00:17:27.000 Was it 40 years before they really started?

00:17:30.000 Doing any kind of taxation.

00:17:31.000 And I mean, on top of this, we've seen throughout all types of major companies and institutions in America.

00:17:36.000 Let's go back maybe 10, 15 years ago when Amazon was trying to move to get another headquarters or another facility opened up.

00:17:43.000 You had countless mayors doing advertisements, giving the sweetest deal humanly possible to have them go there.

00:17:49.000 There were like a dozen mayors that were all doing the Alexa.

00:17:51.000 Hey, where's the next, you know, headquarters two going to be?

00:17:54.000 And it would say their respective city.

00:17:56.000 A lot of this is going to have to do with the leverage that the team and the board are going to use to what kind of You know, pot that's sweet enough for them to stay in the town.

00:18:04.000 And if Hammond is going to undercut the city of Chicago, yeah, it's a pretty bad sign for the city of Chicago because the Senate passed it right in the morning, the House said no, and now they're deciding to walk.

00:18:13.000 Whether or not this is the end and all be all is a whole other story, but it really does go to show, to Ian's point, that this has a lot to do with what kind of deal they can get.

00:18:21.000 Yes.

00:18:22.000 And there's, I don't know if, did you guys watch the Dave Rubin Jubilee?

00:18:25.000 No.

00:18:28.000 So he's having a debate with Parker.

00:18:31.000 This Parker get a job guy, he loves to debate random.

00:18:34.000 People.

00:18:34.000 He has like call ins from people who have no idea what they're talking about.

00:18:37.000 And he just insults them.

00:18:39.000 So he sits down in front of Dave Rubin and he says, Can you tell me one metric by which Donald Trump has made this country better?

00:18:43.000 I mean, like GDP, inflation, unemployment.

00:18:46.000 And then Dave Rubin says something to the effect of, Well, the big beautiful bill just passed.

00:18:50.000 I mean, we're still waiting for the repercussions.

00:18:53.000 And then Parker asks him the same question again.

00:18:55.000 Yes, but can you give me a metric?

00:18:56.000 And he talks really fast.

00:18:57.000 Can you give me a metric by which Donald Trump has made things better?

00:18:59.000 Like inflation, GDP, like something?

00:19:01.000 And Dave Rubin says, Wait.

00:19:04.000 And then everyone laughs at him.

00:19:06.000 See, this is the problem I see with what you're saying.

00:19:09.000 This is the problem with the modern era. 1.00

00:19:12.000 My response to this young fella would have been quite simply well, immigration.

00:19:17.000 One of the most, in terms of metrics that Donald Trump has improved things, was on immigration, where the American people in 2024 saw immigration as the second most pressing issue and voted for Donald Trump with a mandate to enforce our immigration laws, which he reduced that number dramatically.

00:19:30.000 So, in terms of what the people asked for now, if your argument is the structure of governance is good when graph go up.

00:19:38.000 I'd say you are a child who fundamentally misunderstands what it means to be a nation and a people.

00:19:44.000 And that is, when I look at the Bears, I look at our traditions and what unites a people and its culture.

00:19:51.000 When people share cultural values, they hold hands, they hug, they get along.

00:19:56.000 When people from Chicago say, This is our team, they get mad when someone insults their team.

00:19:59.000 They say, Yeah, well, the Bears are like, You can't talk about my Bears that way.

00:20:02.000 But in Chicago, everybody's like, Let's go, Bears.

00:20:05.000 And they're high fiving.

00:20:06.000 These are the things that unify us and are incredibly important, which means we should spend money on them.

00:20:11.000 Even if the return may not be there.

00:20:13.000 To the point of Parker, when he says, What about immigration, inflation, or otherwise?

00:20:18.000 The issue of tariffs comes up, and I say the tariffs are a good thing, to which the response is, and I say this, but Parker said the tariffs are bad, they cause problems.

00:20:27.000 I believe the tariffs, the universal tariffs, have been bad internally for the US economy and have been good for American culture, and it's something that must be done.

00:20:36.000 We must spend money to improve.

00:20:39.000 This is a strange reality we live in, where the mentality among the liberals in this country is we should just have.

00:20:46.000 Every, like, we don't got to spend money to improve things.

00:20:48.000 Things should just generally improve magically by word.

00:20:52.000 When we decide to fix a road, we look at the thousand dollars we have and say, Guys, we're going to lose a thousand dollars when we spend this money, but we'll have a nice road.

00:20:59.000 They go, No, we don't spend money on those things.

00:21:02.000 We should spend money on other things.

00:21:04.000 The point is this it costs us money to keep the bears.

00:21:07.000 And why do we spend that money?

00:21:09.000 Because what we get is intangible.

00:21:11.000 It is culture, it is cultural cohesion, it is the tradition that keeps the city united, and they are losing it and they're giving it up.

00:21:19.000 And if you make the argument that the bears should only subsist upon their own revenue, then Sure, libertarian, every road should have a toll on it.

00:21:28.000 You can't drive on any busy road because you have to pay the money.

00:21:32.000 If the road can't sustain itself through income, the road can't exist.

00:21:35.000 Well, I think there are public projects that we should subsidize at a loss.

00:21:38.000 There are, like roads, but not sports teams.

00:21:40.000 No.

00:21:41.000 No. 0.98

00:21:41.000 If the sports team's not bringing in revenue because people aren't going there because they suck, too bad for the city. 0.98

00:21:45.000 That's not what the issue was at all.

00:21:47.000 They bring in money for tourism and ticket sales.

00:21:49.000 The issue was not that the Bears don't generate money.

00:21:51.000 The issue is that they want a bigger stadium.

00:21:53.000 They want more money.

00:21:54.000 More money.

00:21:55.000 Yes. 0.96

00:21:55.000 And the city doesn't want to spend money on it. 0.96

00:21:59.000 And Hammond does.

00:22:01.000 And the city of Chicago should spend whatever they needed to to keep the Bears alive.

00:22:05.000 Well, I don't.

00:22:06.000 That's like, that's stealing people's money to pay for your sports team, dude.

00:22:10.000 That's tax.

00:22:11.000 You're commanding taxation on people to pay for a football team?

00:22:14.000 Yes.

00:22:14.000 The people of Chicago who love the Chicago Bears are not voting for this anymore.

00:22:20.000 See, this is what you misunderstand.

00:22:21.000 I literally said the thesis is we broaden people who don't want to spend money on the Bears.

00:22:28.000 So when the vote comes up, They vote against spending money on the Bears.

00:22:32.000 So the city doesn't do it.

00:22:33.000 My point is, we should not flood our cities and country with people who don't share our values.

00:22:39.000 Otherwise, they will vote against our values.

00:22:42.000 And we don't have the Bears.

00:22:43.000 But I do think that this is purely a capitalistic move by a capitalistic company in a capitalistic league.

00:22:52.000 What does that mean?

00:22:52.000 That's what Tim is trying to say.

00:22:53.000 NFL is all about making money.

00:22:54.000 The whole thing is about them making money.

00:22:56.000 They're going to spend the money anyway, but it's going to be on the stuff that is no longer cared about by the people of Chicago.

00:23:01.000 Let's talk about the laughter.

00:23:01.000 What does anybody think?

00:23:02.000 They're going to spend the money and they're going to spend it in Indiana.

00:23:04.000 Now, Illinois is losing tax revenue.

00:23:06.000 Illinois is going to lose an insane amount of money by giving this up.

00:23:10.000 The issue is that the Bears are profitable.

00:23:12.000 The Bears are profitable, iconic, and beloved.

00:23:14.000 And moving to Indiana means Indiana is going to generate all of that revenue from everybody you bought.

00:23:18.000 But it's right next to Chicago.

00:23:19.000 They're not moving to Detroit or Illinois.

00:23:21.000 Illinois is losing the money.

00:23:23.000 That's the point.

00:23:24.000 Illinois could make money on this, but people don't care.

00:23:27.000 You've got to do the opportunity cost of what that stadium would have cost the city and the land, the loss of the land.

00:23:33.000 There's no loss of land.

00:23:33.000 They buy the land.

00:23:35.000 They were asking for tax subsidies.

00:23:38.000 The Bears.

00:23:39.000 So this is Laffer Curve territory.

00:23:42.000 This is we'd rather charge you more money and not give you.

00:23:46.000 This is AOC and Amazon in New York City.

00:23:48.000 This is we would rather you leave and in the long term we lose insane amounts of money than spend a little bit today.

00:23:56.000 We brought up the Giants who have a stadium in New Jersey and they're still the New York Giants.

00:24:00.000 People still go to New York to see the Giants and they take the train across the river to Jersey to see the Giants and New Jersey makes the money.

00:24:06.000 And New York makes a lot of money too.

00:24:08.000 And they still have the branding.

00:24:09.000 How is New York making money on people going to New York to see the Giants and they take the train across the river?

00:24:14.000 Who do you think New Jersey is going to do?

00:24:15.000 No, if you're going to.

00:24:16.000 People go to New York City to take the train to Jersey.

00:24:18.000 They stay in New York City.

00:24:19.000 They get a hotel.

00:24:20.000 They go to Jersey to watch the game.

00:24:20.000 No.

00:24:22.000 They come back to New York.

00:24:23.000 Who's flying to New York and then riding to Jersey?

00:24:25.000 Jersey's like 40 minutes away from New York.

00:24:26.000 Yeah, you fly to Newark.

00:24:28.000 You go to Jersey.

00:24:29.000 Or you go to a way cheaper place.

00:24:30.000 Take it as an opportunity to go to New York.

00:24:32.000 It's a fun time to go to New York.

00:24:33.000 It's a fun time to go to Chicago.

00:24:34.000 You could take the train down to Indiana.

00:24:36.000 It's like, what, 40 minutes away from the city?

00:24:38.000 40 minutes away from downtown?

00:24:39.000 I don't know what you're arguing.

00:24:40.000 They're not going to Arizona.

00:24:42.000 They're not losing their team.

00:24:43.000 It's right next door.

00:24:44.000 There's just a cheaper, bigger stadium next door.

00:24:46.000 Same thing with the Giants, man.

00:24:47.000 It's still losing the Chicago Bears.

00:24:49.000 Chicago said that they can't use the name Chicago Bears anymore, which is something we were talking about.

00:24:53.000 Who said that?

00:24:54.000 Who said they can't use the name?

00:24:54.000 Chicago's.

00:24:55.000 I mean, I'm saying that.

00:24:57.000 Brando was saying it.

00:24:58.000 Brando was saying that.

00:24:59.000 But they probably still will.

00:25:01.000 And it's offensive.

00:25:02.000 But the point is this what we have seen from liberal policies has been short term gains for long term losses every step of the way.

00:25:10.000 This is a tremendous long term loss.

00:25:12.000 There's some stadiums that are egregiously over.

00:25:15.000 Like, what are they doing?

00:25:16.000 A city blows so much money on an arena, and you're like, what?

00:25:20.000 And then they have to.

00:25:20.000 Corporatize it and get the name ATT Stadium because they can't even afford it.

00:25:25.000 So let's take a look at New York, Amazon, and Ocasio Cortez.

00:25:28.000 Amazon wanted to open a warehouse in New York.

00:25:30.000 It was going to hire, I think it was like 10,000 people, some massive number.

00:25:33.000 It was projected to generate billions of dollars per year in tax revenue.

00:25:38.000 Billions, billions.

00:25:40.000 I think actually it was going to be a billion per year in tax revenue.

00:25:43.000 And so, or some insane number when it's all compounded, some insane number.

00:25:47.000 So what New York City said was, we're going to give you a tax break.

00:25:51.000 We're going to give you a tax break of, I think it was like 3 billion.

00:25:54.000 I can't remember the hard numbers.

00:25:56.000 To bring the factory here.

00:25:57.000 The argument from New York was you bring your factory, we'll reduce your taxes, we make money.

00:26:04.000 No Amazon factory, no money.

00:26:07.000 Amazon factory with reduced taxes, we make money. 0.91

00:26:10.000 Standard tax rate, Amazon doesn't want to come to New York.

00:26:13.000 So they cut a deal saying, we all make money if we do this.

00:26:18.000 They needed that money from the Amazon facility to fix the crumbling infrastructure.

00:26:23.000 Their trains are falling apart.

00:26:24.000 The L train was shuttered constantly, probably still is.

00:26:27.000 AOC joined protests in the financial district to stop Amazon from bringing these jobs and this tax revenue in.

00:26:34.000 And she succeeded.

00:26:35.000 Amazon said, We're not going to go to New York then.

00:26:37.000 New York lost billions that they could have generated for an activist ideological nonsense.

00:26:43.000 This is what is happening.

00:26:45.000 I'm going to put it simply.

00:26:46.000 There is a question posed to the people of Chicago Do you want to spend money to have the Chicago Bears?

00:26:52.000 Unfortunately, most of the people in Chicago don't vote based on this anymore.

00:26:56.000 If you went to the 90s and you said, We're going to move the Chicago Bears out of the city, Not even a joke, there would have been riots.

00:27:03.000 They would have burned vehicles in the street.

00:27:05.000 They would have crashed things into walls.

00:27:07.000 Today, there's not enough core Chicagoans who care about their traditions to be bothered by it.

00:27:13.000 So when someone says, listen, for $100 million, we keep this investment with the Bears, we're going to generate $200 million over the next three or four years.

00:27:23.000 So if we spend this now, we're going to lose that money, but it's good because we'll make money in the future.

00:27:28.000 Liberal policy has always been, well, I don't care about investing for the future.

00:27:31.000 Just spend the money on comfort and luxury now.

00:27:34.000 I do believe in this instance that they're still assuming there's going to be tons of traction because of the people are going to see the bears right across the border and then they're going to come to the city.

00:27:43.000 They're going to take, like they even said, the L. They're going to take the L into the loop.

00:27:46.000 There's no L to Hammond.

00:27:48.000 Well, apparently they said there's a train from the loop down to Hammond that you can take.

00:27:51.000 So it's a metro, maybe.

00:27:53.000 Is there a train that goes anywhere near there?

00:27:54.000 Like 90, you can take the red line south and then take a bus or something.

00:27:57.000 Isn't there one called the Line?

00:27:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:01.000 Chicago Transit Authority.

00:28:02.000 The L train in the subway system, I think you take the red line.

00:28:06.000 Deep, like to 95th, and then have a bus maybe that could drive you to Hammond or something.

00:28:10.000 If you're going to go from out of town to go just to see a football game, are you going to stay in the city where it's more expensive?

00:28:17.000 Are you going to stay outside of Hammond where it's less expensive?

00:28:20.000 Depends.

00:28:21.000 If you're a kid, if you're just going to see the game, right?

00:28:27.000 Because most of the people that are going to see the game, they're just going to see the game.

00:28:30.000 People probably just pop in for the game and leave.

00:28:31.000 Yeah.

00:28:33.000 If you're from out of town, but you're not.

00:28:36.000 You're looking like maybe a couple hour drive, you're not going to stay in the city.

00:28:39.000 You're going to be like, oh, I'll go see the game and I'll get a Hampton Inn down the street from the stadium.

00:28:46.000 You're not going to go to the city because the city is going to be way more expensive.

00:28:49.000 It's going to be cheaper to stay outside of the city.

00:28:52.000 I bet part of their calculation is we're not losing all of the foot traffic from the games if it's right.

00:28:56.000 People are going to go, people that are living in the suburbs of Chicago and living in Chicago, they're going to leave the city to go to Hammond.

00:29:04.000 Yeah, so it's a metro train.

00:29:06.000 It's the Lakeshore corridor commuter train from downtown that brings you to Hammond.

00:29:12.000 And I looked up the directions.

00:29:14.000 This is hilarious.

00:29:15.000 It says to take the Lakeshore corridor from downtown Chicago.

00:29:18.000 To get to Indiana, and then you have to walk four or five miles.

00:29:23.000 Oh my God.

00:29:24.000 The point that I'm making is get a ride, brother.

00:29:26.000 Set up shuttles, probably.

00:29:27.000 It stops being a destination in Chicago, right?

00:29:31.000 If it's in Chicago, then people are like, well, we got to go to Chicago.

00:29:33.000 Do you ever tell anyone to go to Chicago to see the Bears play?

00:29:38.000 People that specifically go just to see the Bears play.

00:29:38.000 Plenty of people.

00:29:40.000 It's like something you do.

00:29:41.000 I just want to stress this.

00:29:42.000 It used to be for me and Brandon, we hop on the Orange Line, or we could take what, like the 52?

00:29:48.000 Like, that goes downtown, right?

00:29:51.000 Yeah, and you're there.

00:29:52.000 You're there.

00:29:53.000 Oh, I love Wrigley Field, dude.

00:29:54.000 I mean, it's in.

00:29:55.000 And Wrigley Field, we would hop on the orange line to the.

00:29:59.000 You could take the red line to Wrigley, right?

00:29:59.000 I think, what?

00:30:01.000 Yeah, Andersonville.

00:30:03.000 You take the orange line, you transfer it Roosevelt to the red line, and the red line takes you up to Edison.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 And then you're at Wrigley.

00:30:09.000 What an area, dude.

00:30:10.000 I mean, that.

00:30:11.000 For Soldier Field, we hop on the orange line, drops us off right there, we walk right over.

00:30:15.000 Now with Hammond, Indiana, it's a Metra train.

00:30:17.000 It's a ride downtown and then a hop on the Metra.

00:30:19.000 You're going south, up.

00:30:21.000 In and then down the stadium must be amazing that they want to build like super high tech.

00:30:26.000 You know what, man?

00:30:27.000 I mean, I left Chicago.

00:30:27.000 I mean, who am I?

00:30:28.000 Who am I?

00:30:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:30.000 It's a dome.

00:30:31.000 They want to build a dome, yeah.

00:30:34.000 In here, Brandon on the mic for this.

00:30:36.000 They want to host Super Bowls.

00:30:37.000 I'm going down there, all right.

00:30:38.000 Yeah, Brandon's got he's been chomping.

00:30:40.000 Brandon knows more about this, I think, than anybody.

00:30:43.000 He's like, I'm from Chicago, too. 0.99

00:30:46.000 This is this sucks. 0.95

00:30:47.000 Hi, I'm Brandon. 0.96

00:30:48.000 Hi, I don't know where the hell the camera is on this side.

00:30:50.000 Hi, there it is.

00:30:50.000 Um, so.

00:30:52.000 I don't think they're going to lose the Chicago Bears name for one.

00:30:56.000 They own that.

00:30:57.000 The franchise owns that.

00:30:58.000 I don't think they're going to be able to take that away.

00:31:00.000 I think that might just be a hearsay thing.

00:31:02.000 They want this stadium because they want to build a dome and they want to be able to host a Super Bowl.

00:31:07.000 You cannot host a Super Bowl in the NFL if you don't have a dome because you have to be fair play no matter what, right?

00:31:11.000 So that's part of it.

00:31:13.000 The other thing is, they're getting these people that you're talking about that just don't casually go see games.

00:31:19.000 We're talking about some of the most hardcore fans in the NFL.

00:31:21.000 You saw this with the Oakland Raiders.

00:31:23.000 All right.

00:31:24.000 Their fans were pissed.

00:31:24.000 They got pushed out.

00:31:26.000 It was detrimental to that city.

00:31:28.000 And everything moved out of that.

00:31:30.000 It was, we're getting rid of everything in Oakland.

00:31:32.000 It was the same situation.

00:31:34.000 These guys are being pushed out of Chicago.

00:31:36.000 Some of the most hardcore fans here are actually going to be pissed about this.

00:31:38.000 We're talking about people who show up at 5 a.m., park in the parking lot at Soldier Field, and start tailgating.

00:31:43.000 And they don't stop until the game is over. 0.98

00:31:46.000 And then after the game is over, regardless of who they play, they walk out Channing Green Bay sucks. 0.95

00:31:50.000 This is the Chicago Bears team that I have known my entire life. 0.97

00:31:53.000 No offense.

00:31:54.000 I have known my entire life.

00:31:56.000 And for me, as a Chicagoan, as an ex Chicago taxpayer for God knows how many years, I think this is one of the most unacceptable things that they have ever done in this city.

00:32:06.000 I think it is going to kill a lot of money, like Tim says, because they're generating money from parking.

00:32:12.000 They're generating money from concessions.

00:32:14.000 They're generating money from people who do come down for these games.

00:32:18.000 You say, Have you ever seen somebody come down for a Bears game from another city?

00:32:22.000 Yes.

00:32:22.000 Everyone in the Midwest, the Vikings fans will come down to support the Vikings at Soldier Field, even if they're not there to see the Bears.

00:32:28.000 The Packers fans will come down.

00:32:30.000 To rival the Bears fans in that stadium for a Packers game because that's how close the rivalries are in the Midwest or in the NFC.

00:32:39.000 Imagine hosting a Super Bowl in Chicago.

00:32:39.000 It is.

00:32:41.000 Right.

00:32:42.000 I mean, the amount of money generated from that.

00:32:43.000 But they still will if they do it 40 minutes later.

00:32:46.000 Illinois will not see a dime from that.

00:32:49.000 So many people will stay in Chicago and then drive to the Super Bowl if they're going to the Super Bowl.

00:32:53.000 Because I'd rather go to Chicago.

00:32:56.000 People that are going there just to see the Super Bowl, they're going to stay around the stadium.

00:33:01.000 They're going to stay where it's less expensive because if you're flying in, if you're talking about someone that's going to go and be like, well, we'll go make a weekend out of it, we'll go hang out in Chicago, that's one thing.

00:33:10.000 But if you're like, I got tickets to the Super Bowl and I don't make a ton of money, I'm just going to go to the Super Bowl, you're going to find a holiday inn or you're going to find a Whatever, someplace close to the thing that's not in Chicago.

00:33:20.000 And they're going to build, I'll give you this, but let me just say they're going to build the amenities around the stadium.

00:33:24.000 That's the point.

00:33:26.000 People will say, hey, let's go check out Chicago for the weekend while we are.

00:33:29.000 Some people will do that.

00:33:30.000 But I'm not talking about the ancillary tourist revenue that Chicago may or may not get because they can get that for a regular Bears game whenever.

00:33:36.000 Hosting big events at a big stadium at the Super Bowl level means that all the small businesses around that in Chicago are making money.

00:33:45.000 The lives of Chicagoans who are in and around these neighborhoods and areas will see dramatic improvement, more money coming in.

00:33:50.000 That's going to Indiana.

00:33:52.000 My ultimate point is, of course, the area will see economic boom to a certain degree if a Super Bowl is held in general.

00:33:59.000 But this is the people of Chicago, short term gain, long term loss.

00:34:05.000 We can hold on to our money now.

00:34:06.000 And the question is, what are they spending the money they could have spent?

00:34:10.000 What are they spending it on anyway? 1.00

00:34:11.000 It's going to be something stupid. 0.99

00:34:12.000 They're going to be, look, they were trying to build gigantic migrant camps on the south side of Chicago. 1.00

00:34:18.000 That's what they want to use the money for instead of maintaining Chicago's traditions. 0.95

00:34:22.000 And I want to stress this too, to Brandon's point.

00:34:24.000 I think the Bears, like, is there any more rabid of a fan base?

00:34:28.000 There's a handful of teams that have, like, merciless fan bases.

00:34:33.000 And the Bears, you got to understand SNL's the Bears because of how much people love the Bears.

00:34:39.000 That iconic comedy bit where they all talk like weird Chicago guys.

00:34:43.000 And by the way, no one talks like that.

00:34:45.000 It's iconic because of how much people love the Bears.

00:34:47.000 I will say my parents are both from Chicago and they've been in Texas for 20 years.

00:34:51.000 They're still watching for the Bears.

00:34:53.000 Are they, like, screaming like they called you?

00:34:55.000 Like, oh, yeah, I'm sure I'm going to hear about that.

00:34:57.000 It's history too, right?

00:34:59.000 You've got Mike Ditka, the coach, next to John Madden, who's one of the biggest coaches of all time in the game.

00:35:05.000 You've got George Hallace and Hallace Hall.

00:35:07.000 That all goes away now.

00:35:09.000 Hallace Hall goes away.

00:35:10.000 I can't see them going and practicing in Chicago just to go play the season in Indiana.

00:35:16.000 They're also going to probably move practice facilities.

00:35:18.000 They do their camps down in Bourbonnais.

00:35:20.000 I don't know if that's going to be a thing anymore.

00:35:22.000 Maybe they don't even do their camps and their training camps in Illinois anymore.

00:35:26.000 Maybe that moves to Indiana.

00:35:27.000 So now you've got all those people going to Indiana to go see the training camps, which people do.

00:35:31.000 There are a lot of hardcore fans for this team.

00:35:33.000 They're some of the best fans in football.

00:35:36.000 And even though the team has been losing systematically every single year since the day I was born, they have now gotten to a competent level in the NFL after this last incredible season that they had.

00:35:50.000 They pushed almost all the way.

00:35:52.000 We've been dying to see that for a long time.

00:35:54.000 If there's so much effect, Thunderpaw in the Discord chat said, according to AI, Super Bowls are estimated to generate $500 million to $1 billion in economic activity for the city that hosts it.

00:36:05.000 And you're talking about five to 10 grand a ticket for the nosebleed.

00:36:08.000 I mean, these guys, if you're coming in and spending that much money to go to a Super Bowl, nine times out of 10, you're not from that city.

00:36:13.000 You're coming in, you're a celebrity, whatever.

00:36:14.000 So, yeah, it doesn't matter if you stay in Chicago or in Indiana, you're going to shell out money to stay because you just paid 10 grand for a ticket.

00:36:20.000 I just want to surface level all of this stuff, right?

00:36:21.000 We talk about elections.

00:36:23.000 We've got like the story about California and bouts are being burned, which we'll pull up in a second.

00:36:27.000 But this is the real world normy ramifications of everything we talk about on this show loss of culture, tradition, bad policies, overtaxation, open borders.

00:36:38.000 One day, you're sitting in your lounge chair with your buddies, and you're the kind of guy who says, I don't really care about politics all that much.

00:36:46.000 I just want to hang out with my friends.

00:36:47.000 I work hard every day, I respect it.

00:36:49.000 You go to work, you come home, you say, Look, man, I trust you guys take care of it.

00:36:53.000 Me, I'm just a working class guy, and I'll watch the game.

00:36:55.000 And then one day, you come home, and you turn the TV on and say, I just want to watch the Bears.

00:36:58.000 I want to see them win this time around.

00:37:00.000 And they go, You don't have the Bears anymore.

00:37:01.000 The Bears left.

00:37:02.000 They're the Hammond Bears now.

00:37:03.000 And you're sitting there being like, whoa, hold on, hold on a minute.

00:37:07.000 And that's what happens when you sit by and you're not paying attention to what's going on in the world around you.

00:37:11.000 And I'm not saying that derisively.

00:37:12.000 I'm saying, with respect, I understand how many people say, I work hard all day.

00:37:16.000 I don't want to focus on the troubles of the world.

00:37:17.000 It gets me down.

00:37:18.000 I want to hang out with my friends and I want to watch the Bears.

00:37:20.000 And then one day you wake up and the Bears are gone.

00:37:23.000 I got a taste of, in 1990, I don't know what year it was, seven, the Cleveland Browns, I'm in Ohio, and they get sold.

00:37:31.000 They decide we're going to Baltimore.

00:37:33.000 No more Cleveland Browns.

00:37:34.000 Now they have the Baltimore Ravens.

00:37:36.000 And it's the same exact team with the same players.

00:37:38.000 And I realized, and it was a bitter pill to swallow the NFL and pretty much all these professional sports leagues are purely about capitalism.

00:37:45.000 All they want to do is make money.

00:37:46.000 They exist to make money.

00:37:47.000 They will go where the money is.

00:37:48.000 Yes.

00:37:49.000 Yes.

00:37:49.000 I don't want to hyper politicize it.

00:37:51.000 There may be aspects of weirdness with politics and people not understanding football, but it's a business.

00:37:55.000 They're making money.

00:37:56.000 They're making more money in Hammond.

00:37:58.000 Nobody's saying that, nobody's trying to make the argument that the NFL is not looking to make money.

00:38:04.000 Like nobody's making that argument.

00:38:06.000 We're talking about the move.

00:38:08.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.000 Like the Bears did it to make money because the people of Chicago don't care enough to make a stink to say no, stay in Chicago.

00:38:17.000 You realize what it would have cost the Illinois taxpayers to build a stadium in Chicago?

00:38:21.000 Like they wanted to do anywhere in Illinois?

00:38:22.000 I don't want to know the number.

00:38:24.000 Pritzker wanted to put it on the back of the taxpayers.

00:38:25.000 We're talking anywhere from just shy of $1 to $2 billion that the taxpayers would have had to have shelled out in Illinois in order to build a stadium.

00:38:33.000 Now, there are a lot of people that would say, hell yeah, take my money.

00:38:37.000 I want to keep the Bears.

00:38:39.000 Even though that number is outrageous, there are a majority of people in Illinois that are like, okay, to hell with this. 0.99

00:38:44.000 Screw you. 0.96

00:38:45.000 We love the Bears, but you can't tax us for this. 0.99

00:38:47.000 This is a thing that you guys want.

00:38:49.000 So that's where the real controversy comes in.

00:38:51.000 It's a fight between the people of Illinois, the city of Chicago, and the way that the NFL is growing in the modern day age.

00:39:01.000 And it's a battle that unfortunately we have lost, and I don't think there's any way to recover from.

00:39:07.000 So every year, Illinois spends 2.5%.

00:39:10.000 $2.5 billion on refugees, migrants, and the undocumented for support, aid, health care, et cetera.

00:39:17.000 The largest share comes to over $1.6 billion.

00:39:22.000 So in 2024, they spent $1.6 billion for health benefits for non citizens.

00:39:28.000 You know what?

00:39:30.000 Maybe we could have spent that on one time, one time, a stadium for our iconic sports team, for the traditions and culture of the city, and for an academic benefit years down the road. 0.90

00:39:39.000 Instead, they said, let's spend $2.5 billion on people who don't live here.

00:39:44.000 Well, it's not like it's one or the other.

00:39:46.000 And you can, I don't know what you're going to do with all those.

00:39:48.000 Well, there is a budget, there's a finite amount of money. 1.00

00:39:50.000 And my point is when it came time, this is exactly what I was saying about Springfield and Haitian migrants.

00:39:57.000 When it came time to vote, and Pritzker was posed this question, and Johnson was posed this question, we've got $3 billion in the budget to spend on. 0.71

00:40:06.000 The Bears want two, the migrants want 2.5. 0.93

00:40:09.000 They say, give the migrants the money. 0.96

00:40:10.000 They have more political influence now than the people of the city and their traditions. 0.91

00:40:14.000 That's what I am complaining about.

00:40:16.000 That's why I am mad when we lose these things.

00:40:18.000 That's why I do not like it when they open the borders and bring people in who don't care. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Listen, if you want to bring in a finite amount of people, immigrants, into a city in a controlled manner, and we welcome these newcomers, and it's good for economic activity, all of that, yes. 1.00

00:40:33.000 But when you bring in more people than the culture can bear, you lose your history, your traditions. 1.00

00:40:40.000 And I will stress this it's the bears today, it's the Fifth Amendment tomorrow. 1.00

00:40:44.000 We're already seeing court cases where judges are letting criminal, illegal immigrants who beat their wives go.

00:40:49.000 We are already seeing instances where judges are saying, screw your rights.

00:40:54.000 We are already seeing the governor of New York shut churches down, stripping you of your rights.

00:41:00.000 When there is not a moral and strong tradition of a people to defend what is good and pure and makes the country work, you lose it.

00:41:07.000 And I highlight the bears not because I think sports are the most important thing.

00:41:11.000 I think sports are the most visible thing to the average person to recognize our traditions.

00:41:15.000 But after the bears go, the next thing that's going to go is your First Amendment right, your Second Amendment right.

00:41:20.000 Sooner or later, they're going to put police in your house and your Third Amendment right is gone.

00:41:23.000 You're indicating that. 0.97

00:41:24.000 A lot of the financial hardship of the people of Chicago is because of illegal immigration, which is true.

00:41:31.000 But it's also because of the Federal Reserve system and fiat currency.

00:41:34.000 I'm making a point highlighting a very specific budget line item that people are pissed off about.

00:41:39.000 In the 2024 election, the second biggest issue was illegal immigration, and they wanted Trump to enforce against it.

00:41:45.000 Illinois is a sanctuary state, and they give $2.5 billion per year for what they call migrant care.

00:41:52.000 Okay, well, if the people are voting against this, they have an option to spend that money on other things than.

00:41:58.000 Non citizens.

00:42:00.000 But let me just stress this. 1.00

00:42:01.000 Why should I give my money to people who don't live here? 1.00

00:42:06.000 If you ask me, Tim, you've got some money, would you like to spend it on something? 1.00

00:42:09.000 You have an option of a pizza restaurant, a Chicago Bears stadium, or a casino, right?

00:42:15.000 I say, well, these are questions posed to me asking me to spend money in the city on things that might benefit me.

00:42:21.000 Along comes Pritzker and everybody else, and they say, actually, the weight of electoral policy now gives more political power to people who aren't from here.

00:42:29.000 And they say, we're going to take your money and give it to them instead.

00:42:32.000 Now I'm not even getting to buy anything that I might like.

00:42:34.000 They say, do you want to buy something with your money in the public coffer?

00:42:37.000 Yes. 1.00

00:42:38.000 Well, too bad we gave it away to illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:42:40.000 That's worse. 1.00

00:42:41.000 And think about this.

00:42:42.000 We've seen this.

00:42:44.000 We've seen Prisker do this in Brighton Park, where he opened up an immigrant camp there.

00:42:48.000 Brighton Park is a largely Latino area.

00:42:51.000 This is an area that was built on immigration. 0.98

00:42:54.000 Their people rejected that migrant camp being put into their neighborhood. 0.99

00:42:58.000 They pushed it out of that neighborhood. 1.00

00:43:00.000 We are talking about Latin Americans. 1.00

00:43:02.000 All right.

00:43:03.000 We saw the African American communities. 1.00

00:43:05.000 We don't want them here. 1.00

00:43:06.000 We don't want this here.

00:43:07.000 This is our community.

00:43:08.000 These are people that are taxpayers as well, and they don't want this in their neighborhoods more than anybody else does. 0.97

00:43:13.000 The Polish people out there, there's a massive Polish community in Chicago. 1.00

00:43:16.000 They don't want it either. 1.00

00:43:17.000 We're talking about almost like New York, a city that was built by a lot of immigration.

00:43:23.000 A lot of people that came here, became Americans, were working their asses off to put this all together, and they're rejecting these camps and these things that are being put in Chicago that they're paying for.

00:43:32.000 I wonder if part of this is also like a lack of interest in sports.

00:43:36.000 Over the last decade, people are getting insulated into video games and computers and stuff.

00:43:40.000 Well, I mean, I don't know that they're getting insulated into video games and computers.

00:43:45.000 Watch Chicago sports at all?

00:43:46.000 I haven't watched sports in a while.

00:43:47.000 Chicago has some of the most diehard fan bases for all of the people.

00:43:50.000 The point that I was making is even still like 17,000 people.

00:43:53.000 The point that I was making in the very beginning is because the people that are in Chicago are different, there's less interest in sports, right?

00:44:00.000 Like people are not born, they're not American the way that they used to be.

00:44:05.000 They're not born here, they don't value the same things.

00:44:08.000 So, yes, there is less interest in sports, but it's not because of video games or anything.

00:44:15.000 It's because the makeup of the population is different.

00:44:19.000 We don't have magic soil in the U.S. You come to the U.S., you don't automatically start valuing the things that Americans value.

00:44:25.000 Well, I think it could be both because I think, like, I'd rather watch esports than soccer.

00:44:30.000 Well, Chicago has a history of dynasties.

00:44:33.000 All right.

00:44:34.000 Take a look at the Chicago Bulls, for example.

00:44:35.000 They haven't won a championship since 1998, Michael Jordan era, right?

00:44:39.000 They still have one of the highest fan attendances in the NBA.

00:44:44.000 They have not won in how many years?

00:44:48.000 Almost 30.

00:44:49.000 Like, we're talking about people that are die hard for these teams, die hard Chicago fans, that the last thing they want to see is something like this happen.

00:44:58.000 I know it.

00:44:58.000 I was asked with me in the 80s for Cleveland, dude.

00:45:00.000 The Cavs were amazing.

00:45:02.000 Brad Doherty, I mean, Mark Price.

00:45:04.000 And then we had the Browns, and then the Browns, Bernie, what's his name?

00:45:09.000 The quarterback, Ernest Beiner fumbles on the one yard line to the Broncos.

00:45:12.000 They go to the AFC Championship, and then it gets taken away from me.

00:45:15.000 Like, I was so hardcore sports, but then I got into video games, and like, I just don't care as much about sports.

00:45:19.000 Well, see, you're talking about.

00:45:20.000 I'm playing sports.

00:45:21.000 I don't care.

00:45:22.000 This is another point about lost cultural traditions.

00:45:24.000 And I agree, the decentralization of media consumption.

00:45:29.000 Parents did not instill these values with their kids.

00:45:32.000 Dads would sit.

00:45:33.000 This is why I said it was amazing that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey were bringing so much attention to sports.

00:45:38.000 A lot of people were like, oh, it's so annoying that Taylor Swift is at these football games.

00:45:42.000 And I was like, stop.

00:45:43.000 There's a dad sitting in his living room right now watching sports.

00:45:45.000 And his 14 year old daughter came in and said, can I watch the game with you, dad?

00:45:48.000 And he was like, yeah, absolutely.

00:45:50.000 We want more of that.

00:45:51.000 I think it's a problem that.

00:45:53.000 Parents didn't tell their kids, now, now you're coming with me.

00:45:55.000 We're going to watch sports.

00:45:56.000 Then we're going to go throw the football outside. 0.98

00:45:58.000 That was like the old school, you know, the greatest generation with the boomer kids.

00:46:02.000 But the boomer parents with the millennials didn't play catch, at least not as much.

00:46:08.000 So here you come, Gen Xer Ian.

00:46:09.000 You did not have that, I'm going to make this a part of your life and build something.

00:46:15.000 And you're going to hold these traditions.

00:46:16.000 So you drifted from.

00:46:17.000 I played baseball in fifth grade.

00:46:17.000 I did.

00:46:19.000 I played soccer from third grade to fifth grade.

00:46:21.000 I'm saying, but you gave it up.

00:46:23.000 I just, yeah, I became less interested in it because video games took my attention.

00:46:25.000 It was more interesting.

00:46:26.000 It's more convenient.

00:46:28.000 I can participate without breaking my legs.

00:46:30.000 I tore an MCL playing flag football.

00:46:32.000 I realized, like, it's just.

00:46:34.000 You either love it or you don't.

00:46:36.000 It's really, it comes down to that.

00:46:37.000 When you love something like a sport, when you love athletics in any capacity, it doesn't matter how old you are, you wish you could still do it.

00:46:44.000 You still try to do it when you can.

00:46:46.000 If you don't love it, you're not going to keep that interest forever.

00:46:50.000 It's going to be fleeting, and you're going to move on to something else that you are enjoying.

00:46:54.000 Sports for Chicago is one of those things that we are not going to move on from. 0.95

00:46:58.000 It doesn't matter if there's one sports fan left and we're surrounded in Illinois by immigrants, that one person is still going to be a diehard loyal Chicago fan. 0.98

00:47:04.000 It's hard not to become obsessed with sports when you're in Chicago. 0.97

00:47:07.000 I lived there for three years, 2013, 2010.

00:47:11.000 No, no, 2003 to six when Moises Salou took catching Bartman, popped the ball, and didn't run.

00:47:18.000 It was not the whole Bartman situation.

00:47:20.000 That's a perfect example.

00:47:21.000 The whole Bartman situation, people were pissed.

00:47:24.000 I got to stress this.

00:47:25.000 The Cubs are just like, Epic losers consistently, but they're beloved more than so many 100 plus years without a championship.

00:47:32.000 One of the most diehard fan bases in the game.

00:47:35.000 I mean, I can't put this anymore.

00:47:36.000 I think it's because the stadiums are all in the city.

00:47:38.000 I mean, you can.

00:47:39.000 So, you guys are making a great point.

00:47:40.000 Yes, the culture of Chicago is a sports city because you got Wrigley Field.

00:47:44.000 I never went to Crosstown Classic just happened, and it's like we're not even there and we're watching it.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, we were out there hanging out, and I couldn't take my attention off the game because I'm like, oh my god, Crosstown Classic is here.

00:47:54.000 Let's cancel everything that we have to do in Chicago and go to the next three games.

00:47:56.000 Is that the Bears?

00:47:58.000 Everybody knows the Cubs.

00:48:00.000 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 Cheers.

00:48:02.000 The show cheers.

00:48:02.000 Everybody gets it.

00:48:03.000 One of the most, one of the original teams in the NFL.

00:48:05.000 And it's sad that the Cleveland thing, because football was invented right down the street in what, Canton?

00:48:11.000 Well, Canton, Ohio, yeah.

00:48:11.000 Cleveland Browns fans are also some of the most hardcore fans, even though their team is notoriously bad.

00:48:15.000 They got LeBron somehow.

00:48:17.000 Oh, first overall, they got LeBron, and it was like.

00:48:19.000 I don't even want to talk about LeBum.

00:48:20.000 Let's not even get into LeBum.

00:48:23.000 I mean, for a Cleveland fan, that was like, oh, we actually have a hope and a dream now.

00:48:26.000 Like, there's a chance we might actually win something because for 50 years, we get so close and then fail.

00:48:33.000 I say we, you know, I really felt like I was part of it.

00:48:35.000 I watched Ernest Beiner fumble on the one yard line in the AFC championship as a kid on my knees in the living room, like, the hope drained out of me.

00:48:46.000 I watched my grandmother wait for 90 years for the Cubs to win, and she died before they were able to see it.

00:48:52.000 I got to watch them win in 2016, and it was one of the most amazing things ever.

00:48:56.000 I got to watch the entire Bulls dynasty, all six championships, even though I was too little to know what I had.

00:49:01.000 My dad was a Patriots fan.

00:49:02.000 I would not trade it for the world.

00:49:04.000 My dad had one of the best sports upbringings in the country, in my opinion.

00:49:09.000 My dad was a Patriots fan, and he died right before Tom Brady.

00:49:12.000 Yeah, and it's brutal.

00:49:14.000 It's heart wrenching, and you're watching that game knowing that they're there with you somewhere, you know, in some capacity.

00:49:19.000 I wish you could be here to see this, but you can feel them there, and you know that that is a major, major special event in your life watching that go down.

00:49:26.000 Here's my concern about sports and watching sports.

00:49:28.000 I like playing them bread and circus.

00:49:30.000 It was a big part of the Roman Empire, they just pacify their citizens with bread and circus.

00:49:35.000 They'd give them the circus. 0.85

00:49:37.000 Sports kind of feels like the circus, and they want people drunk.

00:49:40.000 What do you think video games are?

00:49:42.000 Well, at least it's interactive.

00:49:44.000 No, no, no.

00:49:46.000 You can sit there and get a piece of stone while you're staring at the table.

00:49:49.000 Absolutely, it's the exact same thing.

00:49:51.000 You can watch egos.

00:49:52.000 Exactly.

00:49:53.000 It is the exact same thing.

00:49:55.000 When I watch esports, I'm actually learning and then I play the game and I'm better at the game because I watch the pros.

00:50:00.000 It's the exact same thing.

00:50:02.000 Watching football and TV is not the same.

00:50:05.000 The point of Bread and Circus was to give people entertainment and give them food.

00:50:10.000 Video games are entertainment, just like sports are entertainment.

00:50:14.000 Interactive.

00:50:15.000 It doesn't matter.

00:50:17.000 It doesn't matter.

00:50:18.000 That's not true anymore at all.

00:50:20.000 Watching football is not interactive compared to playing an esport.

00:50:24.000 Or, but I'm saying, watch an esport train on it by watching it and then play it, and you're better at it.

00:50:28.000 What do you think Michael Jordan did?

00:50:29.000 Probably all he did was train.

00:50:31.000 Famously, he would watch videos and watch himself.

00:50:33.000 Mike Tyson would watch endless hundreds of hours of boxing.

00:50:36.000 And right now, with sports, you've got fantasy leagues where people are watching and they're tracking scores and they're playing games with each other.

00:50:42.000 If you're going to be an athlete, you definitely watch sports.

00:50:45.000 But if you're not going to be an athlete, it's sort of like it's absolutely not, dude.

00:50:48.000 Listen, it's a part of like they were mentioning, it is part of a community identity.

00:50:52.000 That's absolutely true.

00:50:53.000 I mean, if you're anywhere in the Midwest.

00:50:55.000 You already know what teams you're rooting for based on what your family was part of.

00:50:58.000 That's just the way that it is.

00:51:00.000 My dad's side of the family is from Green Bay, Wisconsin, and by birth, I have been a Green Bay fan ever since.

00:51:04.000 It's embedded in your DNA.

00:51:05.000 It's basically, yeah, it's something you've been socialized with.

00:51:08.000 But I mean, everything that this discussion has been over, as entertaining as it has been to tie replacement migration with the Chicago Bears, your point originally, Ian, I think is still one of the more important things to look at here is that the Chicago Bears, the board, and that entity corporately took advantage of the leverage that they could use from the taxpayers from Hammond and Chicago.

00:51:28.000 And the shitty of Chicago and the aldermen and the state house therein did not make the appropriate choice to keep it.

00:51:34.000 I like how you frame it the shitty of Chicago. 0.98

00:51:36.000 Yeah, my bad. 0.95

00:51:37.000 Yeah, no, no, I agree.

00:51:41.000 I've been there once, but nevertheless, I really enjoyed my time when I was there.

00:51:43.000 But after this, is just this is, I mean, it's an embarrassment.

00:51:46.000 I think what's Soldier Field going to do now?

00:51:48.000 What is that going to be?

00:51:49.000 Maybe they'll get it.

00:51:51.000 It's going to be a flea market. 1.00

00:51:52.000 It's going to be like a bunch of like migrant shots. 0.81

00:51:54.000 It's going to turn into a super mall. 0.97

00:51:55.000 Yeah, it's one of those things where I thought they were going to put the fire there, but now the Chicago.

00:52:00.000 Fire are apparently also looking for a stadium or something, from what I heard in the grapevine.

00:52:03.000 So I don't even think they're doing that.

00:52:05.000 The Chicago Fire were always in the suburbs, anyways.

00:52:07.000 Well, they had, they built Toyota Park in our old neighborhood for them, and then they moved and they started playing at Soldier Field anyway.

00:52:12.000 And now they're doing concerts and stuff at Toyota.

00:52:14.000 I mean, that was like Burbank, though, wasn't it?

00:52:16.000 Or no, no, no.

00:52:16.000 Yeah, yeah, it was right where we used to skate that old truck stop across Harlem Bridge over by Argo.

00:52:20.000 Yeah, that was always the suburbs.

00:52:21.000 Yep.

00:52:22.000 So we always kind of just looked at them weird.

00:52:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:24.000 Who's the fire?

00:52:25.000 What team is that?

00:52:26.000 They're our MLS soccer team.

00:52:28.000 Yeah, they might put another team at Soldier Field.

00:52:30.000 Sometimes they'll do that.

00:52:30.000 They'll move one.

00:52:32.000 Well, they do like, they do all kinds of stuff there.

00:52:34.000 They'll let high school teams come play there, you know.

00:52:35.000 It's going to depend.

00:52:36.000 Like, either they'll have a high school team or some of the larger school districts might use it, but I mean, Most of the time, even in smaller cities, the older stadium is usually demolished or it's repurposed into something completely divorced from what sports were in the first place.

00:52:48.000 I mean, earlier in the 2010s, the city of El Paso decided to build a new baseball stadium.

00:52:54.000 I think it was for AAA ball.

00:52:55.000 They finally have the El Paso Chihuahuas, which was a very fitting name for what they were going to name.

00:52:59.000 But the old stadium that they had closer to the northeast side had been completely demolished.

00:53:03.000 It has not been used for anything therein.

00:53:05.000 And now the former parking lot that it's used for is now for a county fair or something like that, or whatever rolls into town every now and then.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, it's a major loss of tax revenue.

00:53:15.000 It's a huge blow to the identity of the city of Chicago.

00:53:18.000 But your original point still does stand.

00:53:20.000 They're using the leverage of what kind of benefits they can get off tax write offs and subsidies.

00:53:24.000 And it's a failure, I think, on Chicago's part to maintain one of the most important things to the city's identity outside of the things that really matter with regards to its history, its architecture, the people that built that city.

00:53:35.000 And so now that they're going to lose that one thing.

00:53:37.000 And, you know, the NFL has appreciated and generated millions of eyes on it.

00:53:42.000 The Super Bowl is basically the largest American.

00:53:45.000 It's like the height of our liturgical calendar for the United States.

00:53:49.000 So everyone tunes in.

00:53:50.000 So Hammond offered zero taxes for 40 years, $1 billion in funding from Indiana for the stadium, and $700 million towards Indiana infrastructure.

00:53:59.000 Arlington offered $500 to $200 million annual tax bill, nothing for the stadium and nothing for infrastructure costs.

00:54:05.000 That's insane.

00:54:06.000 So for two generations, no taxes.

00:54:09.000 That is insane.

00:54:10.000 But the sad part about this is it's so.

00:54:12.000 I like Indiana, I get it.

00:54:15.000 Indiana was smart.

00:54:16.000 They said, wow, we can have the Bears.

00:54:18.000 Soldier Field has been around for 102 years.

00:54:22.000 Oh, it's ancient.

00:54:23.000 Yes.

00:54:24.000 It was one of the first stadiums built in the NFL.

00:54:27.000 That's crazy.

00:54:28.000 It has been around for 102 years. 0.97

00:54:30.000 Now, they did do a revamp project on it where they basically landed a spaceship in the middle of the damn thing. 0.91

00:54:35.000 We saw that coming on when we were down there stating it was crazy to watch that. 0.62

00:54:39.000 It allowed for more people to come in and be in attendance for the games.

00:54:43.000 Now, it's not good enough anymore because of the tax spread.

00:54:46.000 And unfortunately, we are going to lose a very, very big piece of history if we do anything to that stadium.

00:54:51.000 Let's just talk about like the bigger picture, I guess, and everything.

00:54:53.000 Cause you know, Ian, you're mentioning you lost your team, and I feel for you too.

00:54:58.000 There's a reason why I left Chicago.

00:55:01.000 It's deeply corrupt.

00:55:02.000 120 years now of what?

00:55:04.000 Uniparty rule from the Democrats.

00:55:05.000 Republicans can never win anything.

00:55:07.000 And it's one big mafia system.

00:55:11.000 You know that no matter what happens, the government's not going to do what you want to do.

00:55:15.000 They're going to do whatever they want to do, they're going to extract money for their own benefit.

00:55:20.000 It's just, it becomes impossible to live.

00:55:22.000 In these corrupt places.

00:55:25.000 And what I will say is the reason why it becomes corrupt, the reason why you get one party rule with no accountability, is that the community becomes fractured.

00:55:32.000 It becomes very large.

00:55:33.000 And then you have a bunch of different neighborhoods that don't completely see eye to eye.

00:55:36.000 And then you get someone who says, I will lie to as many people as possible to get institutional power and cater nothing to the people.

00:55:43.000 Do you think if we could allocate our taxes individually, like all of us, like on an app, to whatever we wanted, that the localities, the cities would do better?

00:55:51.000 Or is the centralization of tax purposes.

00:55:54.000 No, that's an interesting idea.

00:55:55.000 And I think.

00:55:56.000 I don't know that it would be correct, but I'm interested to try because I can guarantee you this a lot of people in Chicago would be like, I'll put all my tax dollars towards the Bears, and the Bears would have the money.

00:56:07.000 And I guarantee you, the people of Chicago can outspend the people of Hammond, Indiana, and Indiana's a state.

00:56:11.000 I don't even live there anymore, and I would pay money to keep them there.

00:56:16.000 It feels like we're not far off from the ability of a piece of technology.

00:56:20.000 They'll never let you do that, though, because they want to buy bombs and guns.

00:56:23.000 And it's risky to give the people the power.

00:56:26.000 They've kind of, since the Civil War, figured out how to centralize power in the United States.

00:56:31.000 It's kind of like ask for forgiveness rather than permission.

00:56:31.000 I don't know.

00:56:34.000 Like make the app and just start doing it and just start.

00:56:37.000 You might get into trouble with the law.

00:56:37.000 But I don't know.

00:56:38.000 Like, hey, you can't decide where your taxes are going.

00:56:40.000 That's my job.

00:56:41.000 Usually the government is going to be deciding where.

00:56:44.000 They'll put a stop to that real quick.

00:56:46.000 And, anyways, your taxes are just going to pay down the debt.

00:56:50.000 So, Ben Devine, who covers Chicago NFL, actually, what is his?

00:56:55.000 He said, most plugged in Chicago Bears analyst.

00:56:57.000 He says, it's the best stadium deal ever offered.

00:57:02.000 Like in the history of the NFL.

00:57:04.000 40 years, no taxes, and a billion dollars.

00:57:04.000 Sounds amazing.

00:57:06.000 It's an impossible deal to turn down.

00:57:08.000 Man.

00:57:08.000 Especially when you have nothing coming back from the NFL.

00:57:11.000 Full ownership rights.

00:57:12.000 Now, imagine this.

00:57:13.000 Why is it the people of Indiana are willing to foot the bill for that?

00:57:17.000 I don't know.

00:57:17.000 Because Indiana is a red state.

00:57:20.000 Do they have another team, too?

00:57:21.000 Do they have another team?

00:57:23.000 In what?

00:57:24.000 I think Indiana.

00:57:25.000 They have the Indiana Fever.

00:57:27.000 They have Caitlin Clark.

00:57:28.000 For them, they're going all in.

00:57:30.000 They're like.

00:57:31.000 Do they have the Indians in baseball?

00:57:32.000 Yeah.

00:57:33.000 Cleveland has the Indians, yeah.

00:57:33.000 Well, clearly.

00:57:34.000 I mean, they're not without teams, obviously.

00:57:36.000 They still have the Cavs and everything like that.

00:57:38.000 They had the Browns.

00:57:39.000 They lost the Browns for about a decade, and then they became the Ravens.

00:57:39.000 And they had the Browns.

00:57:42.000 And then because they changed their name, they were able to get the Browns again.

00:57:45.000 It was a completely new team with a new admin 15 years later, 12 years later.

00:57:49.000 It was.

00:57:49.000 Bro, Illinois shut this down.

00:57:52.000 I mean, I'm just reading Ben's analysis of this.

00:57:55.000 They've been trying.

00:57:57.000 The Bears want to stay in the Chicago Land.

00:57:59.000 They want to stay in Illinois.

00:58:00.000 So they tried to go to Arlington.

00:58:01.000 When the city would not accommodate them, they said, we can go to the suburbs, and the state would not accommodate them.

00:58:07.000 Mm hmm.

00:58:08.000 Indiana said, we'll roll out the red carpet for you.

00:58:10.000 So they said, okay, I guess we're out.

00:58:11.000 I don't necessarily blame the Bears a little bit, but I look at it like, bro, if you've got a room full of people screaming at you, get the F out.

00:58:18.000 At a certain point, you're like, okay, I'm leaving, I guess.

00:58:20.000 I just don't know if Virginia would have let this happen.

00:58:23.000 I like George, but I don't know if he's making the right call here, if this is something Old Lady McCaskey would have wanted.

00:58:29.000 But I can't speak to that because I never actually knew her.

00:58:31.000 I just know that I think she was Chicago at heart, and I don't think she would have wanted to see this.

00:58:37.000 That's the old owner?

00:58:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:58:39.000 She was the owner for a long time, got handed over to George.

00:58:41.000 She passed away a few years ago.

00:58:43.000 Real quick, the Bears had been trying to build for five years in Arlington Heights, and they were getting blocked.

00:58:48.000 So it's not even a question of like they weren't offering the same incentives.

00:58:51.000 They tried.

00:58:52.000 Man.

00:58:53.000 They tried as much as they could to stay. 0.97

00:58:55.000 So, anyway, this is a perfect example of why replacement migration is dangerous to the American people. 0.99

00:59:00.000 I'm only half joking when I say it like that. 1.00

00:59:02.000 It's exactly what I explained a year ago, or was it two years ago?

00:59:06.000 We're talking about Ohio.

00:59:08.000 I said, when Biden brings in. 0.97

00:59:10.000 5,000 Haitian migrants and puts them in a small town, they will outvote that small town's spending and their cultural alignment. 0.90

00:59:20.000 They will vote against it. 0.91

00:59:21.000 And then you'll be staring, you know, it's like, remember, you know the movie Up?

00:59:25.000 What a great example.

00:59:27.000 This old man has a house and it's in a beautiful field.

00:59:29.000 One by one, the land is being bought up by big corporations to build big skyscrapers and he refuses to sell until eventually the government forces him.

00:59:36.000 So instead of handing over the deed, he launches a bunch of balloons and flies away, which still, he lost his land.

00:59:41.000 But at least he escaped those houses.

00:59:42.000 My grandma, her house that my dad grew up in, that we spent our childhood in, was right across the street from like City Hall. 0.69

00:59:49.000 And in 2005 or something, they wanted to buy her house and evict her. 0.99

00:59:53.000 And she's like, when I'm dead, you can have it, which is probably stupid of her. 0.99

00:59:55.000 So, they end up giving her like 60 grand for the house or some stupid amount of money. 0.99

00:59:59.000 But it would have been nice to see her make a stand and be like, I'm not, I will never sell. 0.80

01:00:03.000 Well, what was that guy that was getting harassed about his house that blew up his house with himself in it?

01:00:08.000 That was one of the people in the Discord here?

01:00:10.000 Yeah.

01:00:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:12.000 That's a pretty extreme example right there of you're not getting my shit. 0.99

01:00:17.000 Like, I don't care. 0.99

01:00:18.000 I'll take it with me.

01:00:20.000 Yeah.

01:00:20.000 That's a bad thing, though.

01:00:22.000 Sure.

01:00:23.000 But I mean, it's pretty hard.

01:00:24.000 It's a pretty hardcore stance.

01:00:25.000 I'm not saying anything.

01:00:26.000 I prove it.

01:00:26.000 I mean, he really was trying really hard to get some.

01:00:30.000 Kind of help.

01:00:30.000 Like he was calling it here.

01:00:31.000 He had a website.

01:00:33.000 He was really trying hard.

01:00:34.000 And it's really sad that he ended up, you know.

01:00:36.000 So the city demolished.

01:00:38.000 Have they scheduled a riot?

01:00:39.000 I don't know.

01:00:40.000 I mean, you're going to have to check.

01:00:41.000 I'm sure something's going to happen.

01:00:42.000 I'm waiting on the WC.

01:00:44.000 To be fair, like when the Sox won the World Series back in what was like 06?

01:00:49.000 26.

01:00:49.000 Was it 06 or was it Frank Thomas?

01:00:51.000 Was he on the team?

01:00:52.000 I think it was 06.

01:00:52.000 I don't think it was 2010.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, look it up.

01:00:55.000 I'll look it up.

01:00:56.000 I just remember it was nuts.

01:00:58.000 Like on Archer, like near Archer and Halstead, Some dude, like there are people in the street just like jumping up and down and screaming.

01:01:05.000 2005.

01:01:05.000 And then some 2005.

01:01:07.000 Some dude was just speeding down the road towards the people, but the people refused to move because they were just screaming.

01:01:13.000 So then the car swerved and crashed into a pole, and the guy jumped out and started screaming and cheering with them. 1.00

01:01:19.000 It was just like the utmost of retardation. 1.00

01:01:21.000 I got to point out because I said that like being a sports fan was kind of like the circus. 1.00

01:01:25.000 You go and you just stare at a wall.

01:01:26.000 But really, if you're a sports fan and you're at the game and you're screaming, the players can hear you and it changes their psychology and it changes the way they play.

01:01:34.000 Which is why there is such a thing as home field advantage.

01:01:37.000 I was at a baseball game once and the guy hit the ball and I went, yeah, like really loud.

01:01:42.000 And the guy in the field like froze and the ball went by him.

01:01:44.000 I was like, oh, I have power as a fan.

01:01:46.000 And see how they can't do that.

01:01:47.000 Haven't you watched The Simpsons?

01:01:49.000 I have watched The Simpsons.

01:01:49.000 You know what I'm talking about, right, Phil?

01:01:51.000 No, I don't.

01:01:55.000 Daryl.

01:01:56.000 So Daryl Strawberry is in the field and Bart's yelling, Daryl.

01:02:00.000 And Marge is like, stop, stop.

01:02:02.000 You're being mean.

01:02:03.000 And then he's like, oh, come on, Mom.

01:02:05.000 These players are hardened to this. 0.60

01:02:06.000 And Lisa's like, yeah, they have nerves of steel.

01:02:08.000 And then Daryl Strawberry starts crying and he wipes a tear away.

01:02:10.000 So, in addition to screaming that they can hear, I believe that we have collective consciousness and that people can feel your thoughts, that there's a low frequency that's impacting reality.

01:02:19.000 When I was watching the Cavs lose 3 to 1, game 3 to 1 against the Golden State Warriors in the championship, I made a video to LeBron James to wake up.

01:02:25.000 It's on YouTube if you look at Ian Cross and LeBron James, where I yelled to wake up at him through the video.

01:02:33.000 And it echoes in the room when I said Jesus.

01:02:36.000 I, for some reason, I said Jesus.

01:02:39.000 And there's this reverberation in the room, and then they came back and won four games in a row.

01:02:43.000 So there is something.

01:02:44.000 That proves it.

01:02:44.000 And I would watch the games religiously.

01:02:46.000 I focused on the entire field.

01:02:48.000 Did they win that series?

01:02:49.000 Yeah.

01:02:50.000 What was it?

01:02:51.000 Three games.

01:02:52.000 Remember that commercial in Chicago?

01:02:54.000 It was like the guy says, if you eat the hot dog with mustard, they'll win.

01:02:58.000 But if someone puts ketchup on it, they'll lose.

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:00.000 I can't remember what the commercial was, but yeah, what Ian's talking about, we call sports superstition.

01:03:04.000 Yeah, but I think it's something.

01:03:06.000 The joke was some guy would take a hot dog and get the ketchup, and they'll stop.

01:03:06.000 No.

01:03:09.000 If you put ketchup on that hot dog, they're going to lose the game.

01:03:11.000 Well, maybe, but I think it's your thoughts because your voice is high frequency.

01:03:14.000 Your thoughts are lower frequency, but it's still a frequency.

01:03:17.000 I agree.

01:03:17.000 Superstition is superstition.

01:03:18.000 It feels like no.

01:03:21.000 Everyone's got their tradition or talisman for making sure that their favorite team wins.

01:03:25.000 But when you mentioned they've been trying to build for five years, I think people really don't realize how much power people have by working with various groups to stop things from happening.

01:03:34.000 I mean, think about all the oil pipelines that have been protested for numerous years, or even things that you want to build in your local town.

01:03:40.000 Environmental review or investigating for archaeology, these are the number one ways that you can stop the development for anything.

01:03:46.000 And the left is the master of this.

01:03:48.000 For instance, if you want to build in the state of Oklahoma, you have to not only go through the usual process for environmental review per, I think it's like the National Environmental Policy Act of 67, but on top of that, you also have to go through the Oklahoma Archaeological Society.

01:04:02.000 And if they find an archaeologist that has a tribal background, good luck getting that built because they're going to immediately assume that, okay, we have something here that's for the tribe, and then your project is going to move forward.

01:04:11.000 The same thing happens with what's happening in Arlington Heights.

01:04:14.000 It's the same thing that we see across the country that there are going to be leftist groups, NGOs, environmental activists that are either on the dole or get paid off.

01:04:21.000 By somebody else, and they're going to stop any kind of construction for what you want as a citizen from happening.

01:04:25.000 This is what happened to us in Martinsburg with the coffee shop, and why we were years just jammed up because they have a historical society which no matter what you do, they'll spin it around and make it impossible to do anything.

01:04:37.000 And so, let's just say we worked out a solution.

01:04:41.000 The shop should be opening very, very soon.

01:04:44.000 But the remarkable thing is how long it's taken up to this point, even with a lot of the work being done.

01:04:48.000 So, I'll give you an example first floor of the building.

01:04:52.000 It's just the first floor.

01:04:53.000 It's a building like any other building.

01:04:56.000 There's a side entrance that goes upstairs.

01:04:57.000 Right now, Mamba Collectibles is operating.

01:04:59.000 I recommend you guys go there for all your sports collectible needs and trading card games, Pokemon, Magic, Yu Gi Oh, et cetera, on the third floor.

01:05:06.000 You go in the side door, there's stairs.

01:05:09.000 Second floor is collectibles, third floor is collectible trading card stuff.

01:05:16.000 When we were trying to build the coffee shop, they said because there's a door on the first floor, an exit, That opens up to where the stairs are.

01:05:25.000 First, second, and third floor count as one unit, and you have to build wheelchair access for the second and third floors.

01:05:33.000 And we were like, hey, okay, we got an elevator in the building.

01:05:37.000 And they said, okay, well, that's an historic elevator.

01:05:41.000 In fact, it's one of the, in our building, we have one of the first elevators, if not the first elevator ever built in the country.

01:05:47.000 It's not the craziest thing in the world to say because we're on the East Coast, so there's population density here.

01:05:51.000 So it's an old elevator from the early, like, turn of the century, 18 to 1900s.

01:05:57.000 So, they said it's got to be put up to code for modern elevator uses or whatever.

01:06:03.000 Well, the Historical Society says, absolutely not.

01:06:05.000 This is a historic elevator.

01:06:06.000 You can't do that.

01:06:07.000 So, then our argument was, but we don't use the second floor for business.

01:06:12.000 The first floor is the coffee shop.

01:06:14.000 Nope, doesn't matter.

01:06:15.000 So, they forced us to connect a non business portion to the non open to the public simply by some fake metric they made up.

01:06:25.000 Well, you know, because the door is there.

01:06:27.000 And that was one of the things that jammed us up for like a year and a half.

01:06:30.000 In order to get the approval, okay, so we're going to put in a wheelchair machine where it goes like, and brings up the stairs because you can't use the elevator, right?

01:06:38.000 Then they said, oh, but the building itself.

01:06:40.000 So you're going to have to meet with the Historical Society, and they only meet once a month.

01:06:44.000 So you go, you meet them once a month, and you say, here's the plan.

01:06:46.000 And they go, you know what?

01:06:48.000 This is a little too big.

01:06:49.000 Why don't you reduce it?

01:06:50.000 We'll see you next month.

01:06:52.000 You come back next month and say, I did what you asked.

01:06:54.000 Oh, you know what?

01:06:54.000 We changed our mind.

01:06:55.000 You should go back to the original design, redesign it, come back in a month.

01:06:58.000 And that's what they kept doing to us.

01:07:00.000 Is this like, It's all fake.

01:07:01.000 Hyper bureaucracy.

01:07:02.000 I don't know what you call it, but is this why in Malibu they're having a hard time rebuilding?

01:07:06.000 You mean Palisades?

01:07:06.000 Yeah.

01:07:07.000 Well, probably Malibu too.

01:07:09.000 Oh, yes.

01:07:10.000 And Maui as well. 0.95

01:07:11.000 The government creates fake reasons why you can't rebuild your homes.

01:07:14.000 They kick your can down the road as long as they possibly can.

01:07:16.000 And I mean, imagine being the Bears in this situation.

01:07:19.000 You've spent the last five years trying to buy another house in the city that you love, and you are being blocked from purchasing this house for five years between the state and the city because they don't want you there.

01:07:29.000 They actually don't want you there.

01:07:31.000 It's really what it comes down to.

01:07:32.000 Otherwise, why would they have made such problems through litigation and everything like that?

01:07:37.000 Why would there be such pushback for so long if they really wanted this team to stay there?

01:07:42.000 That's the question.

01:07:43.000 Is it that they, like, from your opinion, I guess, Matt, is it like that the historical society in Oklahoma, you were saying the archaeological societies and things, that they truly just want people not to build, or is it that they're deeply concerned about?

01:07:55.000 Well, there's, I mean, it's both, and it's really going to depend on who you meet.

01:07:57.000 But I mean, when I, for some of the stuff that I've worked on in the past, you know, I was always told, like, if you're going to find an archaeologist for whatever project that this town, say, the town wants to build a community center, or they want to renovate their fireplace, it's like, oh, hey, according to like your town plans, you've got, you know, an old cemetery that's maybe like 200 feet from the location.

01:08:14.000 You know, because of the regulations that are in place, you have to contact the archaeological society, in part because there's funding that's coming from state or federal sources.

01:08:22.000 And from there, I was always told if you're going to get an archaeologist to go look at this, make sure they don't have tribal affiliation, because there's a good chance it might get clogged up because of either ulterior motives or interest.

01:08:32.000 Because, I mean, this is a very state specific example, but I mean, you also have to work with the various tribes, and they have their own intergovernmental agencies.

01:08:39.000 They also give out grants, they compete with the state and the federal government.

01:08:42.000 But I mean, it's the same thing that's going to apply with almost any state or any federally funded project or anything that's going to use the taxpayer dollar.

01:08:49.000 They're going to have to coordinate with their historical society.

01:08:52.000 Is there a heritage foundation perhaps in Arlington Heights that wants to go against this specific thing? 0.78

01:08:57.000 I mean, this is why there's a whole lot of tools that the whole not in my backyardism, NIMBYism takes place.

01:09:03.000 But I mean, it's also a very effective tool if you are an activist trying to stop something getting built, whether it's a pipeline or a stadium. 0.54

01:09:11.000 We take it all for granted.

01:09:13.000 And I think that's the struggle is that throughout history, I think that one of the histories of the United States, if you watch everything, is how much was taken for granted by the incoming generations.

01:09:24.000 The assumption that what was here was always going to be here and was just for us.

01:09:29.000 And I think when you look at how things have gotten to this point, what with us giving away our manufacturing base is another really great example.

01:09:38.000 It's because people just assumed that it will always be this way.

01:09:43.000 And as things slowly eroded, they said, well, certainly it won't keep getting worse.

01:09:47.000 And it just keeps getting worse until someone stands up and changes.

01:09:49.000 You mentioned in 2019 when we were hanging out, when we were on the East Coast at that theater, we went to lunch one day and you're like, we should build a city.

01:09:55.000 And I was like, it just seemed impossible in my mind.

01:09:57.000 I was like, how?

01:09:58.000 That seems because I was in that state of mind like, it's always new cities don't make sense.

01:10:03.000 Cities have always been.

01:10:03.000 Right.

01:10:04.000 But I think we should build a new city.

01:10:05.000 I just don't know what it would take.

01:10:06.000 I don't know.

01:10:07.000 I mean, it's seven years later.

01:10:08.000 It's just take us forever.

01:10:09.000 We tried, and I put a good amount of energy into it.

01:10:14.000 I had been going to prominent individuals, asking them to invest in the Martinsburg Strip when we were building the coffee shop, saying, all of these businesses are going out of business.

01:10:23.000 The city is in distress.

01:10:26.000 And there's an economic opportunity.

01:10:27.000 We could create an anti Times Square in Martinsburg, West Virginia, by having, you know, like Cousin T's Diner, Papa Jack's Pizza Shack.

01:10:37.000 And I talked to Square about it and said you could probably put up a Square convenience store where you have a bunch of products from all the customers, like all of your companies that are listed on Square.

01:10:46.000 And I was advocating this, asking people to get involved.

01:10:50.000 Some people did move to the neighborhood and they mentioned, like, hey, we're moving here.

01:10:52.000 We love it.

01:10:53.000 West Virginia is great.

01:10:54.000 Nobody.

01:10:56.000 Of their own volition, they would do it.

01:10:58.000 We were the only ones.

01:11:00.000 And I know people might say, well, Tim, you have to be the leader.

01:11:01.000 And maybe that's the case, but I'll say this.

01:11:03.000 When I make the pitch, let us come together as a community and build something, that can't happen unless people choose to do it.

01:11:10.000 And I remember, I have the story I talked about with Chicago when I was a teenager.

01:11:15.000 There were these guys that had a small warehouse that was probably like a thousand square feet.

01:11:20.000 And they built a mini ramp in it, skateboard ramp.

01:11:22.000 They each spent a hundred bucks a month to pay the rent.

01:11:25.000 And sometimes they would let us come and skate it, but it's like if someone has a key and they can open the door, you're allowed to come in and hang out.

01:11:31.000 But I wasn't one of those keyholders.

01:11:32.000 So I went to my friend and said, Guys, why don't we do this?

01:11:35.000 Why don't we all put money down so that we can build our own?

01:11:38.000 And what did everybody say?

01:11:39.000 Let me know when you do, and then I'll think about it.

01:11:42.000 And I'm like, yeah, well, we can't build something unless we come together to build something.

01:11:45.000 So it never happened, but other people had their own.

01:11:48.000 So, with this anti Times Square, I said, think about the businesses that exist on Square.

01:11:53.000 You've got all of these pro America, pro family values, pro free speech, pro constitution, all of these things, all these businesses, and they all put their money where their mouth is.

01:12:03.000 So I went to a bunch of prominent individuals who had either the means, the connections, or otherwise, and they all just said, well, you do it and let me know what happens.

01:12:11.000 So, we've been working on setting up this coffee shop, and nobody would do it.

01:12:15.000 Because, like, building a city, I guess historically, a lot of it sparks up around a business, like a company or an industry.

01:12:21.000 That's what Musk did with Starbase.

01:12:24.000 Starbase.

01:12:24.000 So, you need something that was employing enough people that it would justify a thousand people moving to an area.

01:12:31.000 That's the natural phenomenon of a city, right?

01:12:34.000 So, there's a bunch of farms, and then a guy sets up a marketplace because he knows the farmers need spare parts and tools periodically.

01:12:41.000 And he also knows that the farmers will actually drop off their goods at the market.

01:12:45.000 And so, if you're a farmer that's handling grains or whatever, but you want milk, Instead of having to drive to the other farm and trade, the market guy right there in the middle.

01:12:53.000 But then someone says, People keep coming by this market and buying stuff.

01:12:56.000 I'm going to set up a blacksmith shop right next door because then they can pick up tools for me while they're at the market.

01:13:02.000 One by one, businesses pop up.

01:13:04.000 Then someone says, You need a hotel here for when people are traveling.

01:13:06.000 You need a saloon for people to hang out.

01:13:08.000 And now you've got your town center and it grows.

01:13:10.000 Then residential areas start popping up around it because people need to live and work in the same area.

01:13:14.000 That's the natural way to do it.

01:13:17.000 I think it's fair to say we could choose to just do it, right?

01:13:20.000 If people said, I'm going to go to Marnesburg, West Virginia, and I'm going to rent out the storefront and start a business.

01:13:25.000 We could do it.

01:13:26.000 I think the challenge is the right is not motivated the way the left is.

01:13:31.000 The left does this kind of stuff.

01:13:33.000 I mean, they'll show up with hammers and baseball bats and Malta cocktails and threaten the locals into doing what they want to do.

01:13:39.000 They will build these things, the right won't.

01:13:42.000 It's a comfortable environment.

01:13:43.000 I understand why people aren't like spurred to do it because you're making a lot of money on the internet.

01:13:47.000 You can live wherever you want for the most part.

01:13:49.000 There's even knowing that like the antidote to communism is community and building a strong community.

01:13:57.000 It's still like.

01:13:58.000 It sounds funny, right?

01:13:59.000 The antidote to communism is community.

01:14:02.000 And that's astute, Ian, because communism works when the community is fragmented and incapable of rising up to stop the tyranny.

01:14:10.000 So communism thrives off of shattering local communities and decentralizing everybody, making sure they can't organize.

01:14:17.000 Well, it goes back to what you said about taking things for granted.

01:14:19.000 I mean, the average American has no idea who their city council rep is, let alone their county commissioner, which you should know, because if you want to know where the budget for your respective town or county gets allocated at, It's at those meetings.

01:14:30.000 These are all public.

01:14:31.000 These all have names and addresses, and the average person really doesn't care.

01:14:34.000 I mean, like where my father lives, you know, he was complaining that around the corner where he's on the corner of the street, and he's like, man, there's a lot of overhanging branches and trees.

01:14:42.000 He's like, I don't know who to talk to about this.

01:14:43.000 I'm like, do you even know who your county commissioner is to call?

01:14:46.000 Because they're the ones that fund and take care of how the roads are.

01:14:49.000 And he's like, well, no.

01:14:50.000 And I said, well, here's his number.

01:14:51.000 And I mean, it really just takes the basic forms of civic engagement.

01:14:54.000 And the average American is so politically illiterate.

01:14:57.000 I mean, yes, a lot of important things happen in Washington, whether it's the federal budget.

01:15:01.000 National Defense Authorization Act, whatever you may have.

01:15:04.000 But a lot of your problems do happen either in your respective state house or more importantly, at your city council and your county commissioners meeting.

01:15:11.000 There's another phenomenon like the renter's lifestyle, how convenient it is, like Spotify, for instance.

01:15:16.000 I can move anywhere and live in any house anywhere and still work on the internet.

01:15:19.000 Like, I don't need to settle down and plant roots anywhere because it's so convenient to rent.

01:15:25.000 I've been, even my business friends are like, don't buy rent right now, rent.

01:15:30.000 And it's like, where's the community?

01:15:32.000 You know, if I'm just looking out the door all the time at like where my next step of the journey is going to be, how can I ever settle down and build it?

01:15:40.000 Or, why would I ever settle down and build a community?

01:15:41.000 Except that I know it's the right thing to do, but like it's not the convenient thing to do.

01:15:45.000 And that's, I think, a major factor in what's contributed to the death of small town America.

01:15:50.000 To your point, like there's not enough of the right people involved in keeping these kinds of things going.

01:15:55.000 To Phil's point, people don't care about, you know, what's the word I'm looking for?

01:16:00.000 Extending or passing down, you know, that Americana to the next generation anymore.

01:16:04.000 They just don't care, is what it's come to.

01:16:07.000 So, the causality of this is that the small towns of America are dying.

01:16:11.000 Mandatory baseball.

01:16:13.000 Oh, I'd love that.

01:16:13.000 I jokingly said Trump should send to the military to stop this from happening, but I'm like half joking.

01:16:18.000 If Donald Trump was like, we're going to be sending in federal authorities to oversee this and make sure the Bears stay out, and be like, well, okay, I guess.

01:16:24.000 National Guard is at Soldier Field right now.

01:16:27.000 They have Navy and Army.

01:16:28.000 Forcing the Bears to stay and play.

01:16:29.000 Not allowed to leave.

01:16:31.000 Navy and Army have college teams, but they don't have an NFL team.

01:16:31.000 They don't have an NFL.

01:16:34.000 That'd be interesting.

01:16:35.000 Probably not a good idea if the government made an NFL team.

01:16:38.000 When I run for president, I'm going to campaign on it.

01:16:41.000 It'll be mandatory.

01:16:42.000 For all public schools to attend at least two baseball games per year as a field trip.

01:16:50.000 And baseball will be gym class. 0.97

01:16:52.000 So you don't just have the stupid gym class where the kids go outside and they're like, okay, we're going to play four square and dodgeball. 0.99

01:16:57.000 No, you'll play baseball. 0.99

01:16:59.000 What about softball? 1.00

01:17:01.000 Because I didn't like getting hit by those idiot pitchers. 1.00

01:17:03.000 Softball's for girls, yeah. 1.00

01:17:05.000 Softball, well, big softball. 0.99

01:17:06.000 Some of those pitchers were at where they were like such amateurs and they would throw so hard at.

01:17:11.000 I would say I'm actually fine with going T ball, softball, baseball.

01:17:16.000 Like, you know, little five year old kids, not going to kickball is pretty fun.

01:17:19.000 Well, we had Little League back in the day.

01:17:20.000 I used to play at Kelly. 0.89

01:17:21.000 Mandatory Little League.

01:17:22.000 It was one of the greatest experiences of my life being involved in a sports game.

01:17:22.000 Yep.

01:17:25.000 Mandatory, we throw the football after the show for the first time.

01:17:25.000 Mandatory.

01:17:27.000 I mean, that just goes back to what you're asking.

01:17:28.000 We've been throwing the football here.

01:17:29.000 It's fun about community because, again, you can have everyone in there, but if not everyone's going to speak the same language, not everyone's going to trust one another, you can't really have these. 0.98

01:17:37.000 Mandatory English.

01:17:38.000 Also, mandatory throwing. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Just a mandatory immigration moratorium. 1.00

01:17:42.000 The rest out. 0.99

01:17:43.000 There you go.

01:17:43.000 Now you're talking.

01:17:45.000 American pie and baseball.

01:17:46.000 That's right.

01:17:47.000 Ticking out a moratorium for at least 10 years.

01:17:49.000 It's mandatory that every school bake apple pie at least four times a year.

01:17:53.000 Once a quarter, there's an apple pie bake off, and all the kids have apple pie.

01:17:56.000 Baseball is mandatory.

01:17:58.000 Sorry, football.

01:17:58.000 I love your football, but football is optional.

01:18:01.000 Baseball is mandatory.

01:18:02.000 But gluten is optional also for the apple pie.

01:18:05.000 Gluten free would be fine.

01:18:06.000 Well, it's a bake off.

01:18:07.000 Okay, that's even better.

01:18:07.000 They choose.

01:18:09.000 Yeah, so you could do like an almond crust.

01:18:11.000 It's pretty good when done right.

01:18:12.000 Throwing.

01:18:13.000 You can track back the human evolution to when our brain matter just skyrocketed in intelligence when we learned how to throw because we learned how to kill with rocks.

01:18:21.000 Ian.

01:18:22.000 And, like, it fixes your brain throwing things.

01:18:24.000 I love how you went from the softball to this in like 10 seconds.

01:18:28.000 All of human warfare has just been figuring out how to throw rocks better.

01:18:32.000 First, we literally threw a rock.

01:18:34.000 Rocks at a time.

01:18:35.000 Then we put a rock in a little sack with a string and flung it around and threw the rock.

01:18:40.000 Then we sharpened the rock and put it on the end of a piece of wood and used stored energy from another piece of wood to fling that rock at high speeds.

01:18:47.000 Today, we've taken core components of the densest piece of rock, loaded a bunch of other rocks behind it to fire it.

01:18:53.000 At high velocities and cause your brain to explode.

01:18:55.000 Also, you've got rocks that explode into a bunch of other rocks that explode on impact.

01:19:00.000 It's all just throwing rocks.

01:19:01.000 Did you guys know that I think it was World War I or II?

01:19:04.000 They designed hand grenades to be like baseballs.

01:19:07.000 Because every single young man learned how to throw a baseball.

01:19:07.000 Yeah.

01:19:10.000 Yep.

01:19:11.000 So they were like, make it a baseball.

01:19:12.000 They'll throw curves, man.

01:19:13.000 That is why they were originally rounded and not like egg shaped, is because they fit the model of an American baseball.

01:19:19.000 And everyone was good at throwing baseballs.

01:19:21.000 So how could you be bad at throwing them?

01:19:23.000 Now, modern ones are.

01:19:24.000 Not football bombs.

01:19:25.000 I think they would do more damage.

01:19:25.000 No, they should throw me.

01:19:27.000 Modern ones are spheres now, too.

01:19:29.000 I have four grenades.

01:19:29.000 They don't use the pineapple style anymore.

01:19:31.000 The pitcher had them.

01:19:33.000 The modern grenades are spheres?

01:19:34.000 Yep.

01:19:34.000 Really?

01:19:34.000 Yeah, they don't use the pineapple style anymore.

01:19:36.000 Yeah, why not?

01:19:37.000 The pineapple style was intended to create shrapnel.

01:19:39.000 Yeah, well, they're all intended.

01:19:41.000 The modern ones have those same kind of scoring on the inside, so that way they're pieces, but it's a smooth ball.

01:19:48.000 Like wind, less wind resistance, maybe?

01:19:50.000 Yeah, well, mostly to just make sure that there are a bunch of pieces that go so it doesn't blow.

01:19:54.000 My name is Mutton Chop, says no soccer.

01:19:56.000 Agreed, soccer is banned.

01:19:58.000 Soccer was pretty fitting.

01:19:59.000 Me and Rando, we went back to Illinois for like the fourth, what was it, last year?

01:20:04.000 And our baseball fields have soccer goals in them.

01:20:07.000 What do you guys think about renaming it football and then changing football into like kick?

01:20:11.000 Handball.

01:20:12.000 No, It's called football.

01:20:14.000 No, no, he's got a good point.

01:20:15.000 We should force everyone in the world to change the name of soccer, of football, to something else, and around the world, football will be American football.

01:20:25.000 Change the name.

01:20:25.000 Good luck.

01:20:25.000 It's okay to get on with it.

01:20:26.000 Over everyone else in the world.

01:20:27.000 Good luck. 1.00

01:20:27.000 I'll stab you around the world. 1.00

01:20:28.000 I force. 1.00

01:20:29.000 What would be a better name for football than football?

01:20:31.000 Because you don't need to put that much.

01:20:32.000 We don't need to change it.

01:20:33.000 You throw it.

01:20:34.000 Handball?

01:20:35.000 But handball's already a game.

01:20:36.000 No, no, no.

01:20:36.000 Football is football.

01:20:37.000 Throwball?

01:20:38.000 Soccer around the world should be renamed soccer.

01:20:41.000 Oh, good luck.

01:20:42.000 That's from what is it?

01:20:44.000 The uh, what you know, where the term soccer comes from?

01:20:47.000 It's like um, social.

01:20:50.000 Do you know, do you know where the word term soccer is? 0.99

01:20:53.000 It was uh, it was coined to insult people who play a dumb game. 0.95

01:20:56.000 No, I meant like the society. 0.99

01:20:58.000 Soccer's okay.

01:20:59.000 I'm googling this now.

01:21:00.000 Let's see what it is.

01:21:00.000 Soccer is fine.

01:21:01.000 Term soccer originated in the 19th century England as a shorthand form of association football.

01:21:07.000 It derives from the Oxford er slang trend where students at universities like Oxford and Cambridge added er to the end of words.

01:21:14.000 Association became.

01:21:15.000 A soccer, which was later shortened to soccer.

01:21:17.000 They had soccer.

01:21:18.000 Football and association football.

01:21:20.000 So they turned association football into soccer.

01:21:22.000 No, no, because Oxford and Cambridge were involved in this?

01:21:25.000 Yeah.

01:21:26.000 Well, it's amazing that they want to stab people for saying the word soccer over there when Oxford and Cambridge were involved in inventing this word.

01:21:32.000 That's just, yeah.

01:21:33.000 I think it was to delineate between the two versions of soccer, like original football that they had, and one was association football, which is maybe like the pro version.

01:21:40.000 No, no, no cricket.

01:21:41.000 You get caught playing cricket.

01:21:42.000 That's a paddling with the paddle, with the cricket ball, cricket paddle itself.

01:21:46.000 I think football is my favorite sport.

01:21:48.000 I think it'll just stay in.

01:21:49.000 American football?

01:21:50.000 It'll be fine.

01:21:50.000 I understand.

01:21:51.000 Not soccer?

01:21:52.000 Soccer was too exhausting to play.

01:21:52.000 No.

01:21:53.000 It was a little.

01:21:54.000 I like baseball.

01:21:56.000 No, baseball.

01:21:56.000 Foosball?

01:21:57.000 Baseball is fun to watch.

01:21:58.000 Yeah, baseball.

01:21:59.000 Like when we go to a baseball game, we went.

01:22:02.000 When do we go?

01:22:02.000 We went to go see the White Sox and the Nats at the end of last season.

01:22:05.000 That was so much fun to watch.

01:22:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:07.000 I like it because it's not high contact and it's a lot of burst athleticism, like chilling out, relaxing, and then burst football.

01:22:13.000 Football's okay.

01:22:15.000 But it's not the same.

01:22:16.000 Baseball is way better.

01:22:17.000 Baseball is like tactics, you know?

01:22:19.000 I mean, they all have their own special allure.

01:22:21.000 I think hockey has its own thing, too.

01:22:23.000 If you go to a hockey game, it's a way different environment, but there's still that electricity around the arena, watching your team play, watching your team make a huge play, you know, scoring a goal.

01:22:31.000 Hockey is just Canadian ice soccer.

01:22:33.000 The cool thing about like football and hockey and to some extent basketball, they're more, they more rely on the team working together.

01:22:43.000 Whereas with baseball, it's really about the pitcher and the hitter.

01:22:47.000 Yeah, one guy can change the whole game.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, you know, it's about two guys going.

01:22:51.000 The pitch is the best part of baseball.

01:22:53.000 Are you guys glad they're getting rid of umpires or they seem to be relying more on computers?

01:22:56.000 Oh, God, man.

01:22:57.000 I'm with you.

01:22:58.000 The umpire making a bad call completely ruined the sport, in my opinion.

01:23:01.000 It's rigged, dude. 0.91

01:23:04.000 Yeah, just get the robots in there.

01:23:06.000 I have to say, I wasn't sure about the pitch clock thing at first, but that has actually turned out to help the game kind of flow better.

01:23:12.000 Usually, pitchers used to be able to go for a sandwich in between pitches because they could literally stand there for 20 minutes and there was nothing stopping them, or they could step off the plate.

01:23:20.000 Okay, cool.

01:23:21.000 We have to wait another five minutes.

01:23:22.000 But I'm just sick of watching bad calls.

01:23:25.000 Like when we went to that Sox Nets game, there were a handful of bad calls, and we were just like, what?

01:23:30.000 They're actually getting rid of the umpire?

01:23:32.000 Well, they're talking about machines and AI.

01:23:34.000 They're going to have AI start doing it.

01:23:36.000 So the first job lost to AI is an umpire.

01:23:38.000 Hopefully.

01:23:38.000 I don't know about that.

01:23:39.000 You were saying, Brandon, when we were in Vegas at the games, at the enhanced games, you were saying that football, like the kickoffs are changing.

01:23:46.000 Like it's kind of, they're kind of neutering football.

01:23:48.000 They have, there's a lot of changes that have been implemented in the last like 10 years, specifically when it comes to a lot of these things, kickoff returns and whatever.

01:23:55.000 And there's always the question of, you know, okay, are we making our players as safe as possible during all of these contact situations now?

01:24:02.000 You've got a guy running 25 miles an hour, full speed across the field to a guy who's standing still looking upward at the ball.

01:24:09.000 And the second he catches the ball, he's in play to be hit.

01:24:11.000 So, that guy, if he times it right, can hit him at 25 miles an hour while he's not even paying attention and basically end his career.

01:24:19.000 So, they started this thing where, okay, now you got to kick the ball from here.

01:24:23.000 No one's allowed to move until the ball lands in the receiver's hands.

01:24:26.000 Then you guys can move.

01:24:27.000 This gives this guy time to kind of see what's coming.

01:24:29.000 He doesn't get hit like by a truck, you know, of a human being coming at him 25 miles an hour.

01:24:34.000 So, it's a lot to do with player safety, the whole CTD thing, which they think is a myth, but I don't think it is.

01:24:39.000 What's CTD?

01:24:40.000 That's brain injuries from concussions and things like that.

01:24:44.000 A lot of wrestlers have had it.

01:24:45.000 A lot of football players have had it.

01:24:46.000 It's just from getting smacked in the head too many times over the course of your career.

01:24:49.000 So, you think it's a good thing that they're changing the sport?

01:24:51.000 Some of this stuff, yeah.

01:24:53.000 It is for the health of the players while we're not used to it.

01:24:55.000 And we've been seeing, you know, a lot of it used to just be gridiron war.

01:25:00.000 You know, football, like George Carlin said, football is played on a gridiron.

01:25:03.000 You know, like baseball, we have to go inside when it rains.

01:25:06.000 You know, it's one of those situations.

01:25:08.000 Football is one of the most hardcore things you could watch. 1.00

01:25:10.000 So, when you start seeing changes made like that about player safety, the more hardcore fans are going to be like, that shit's stupid. 1.00

01:25:16.000 You know, like. 1.00

01:25:16.000 Take his head off. 1.00

01:25:17.000 Is it because people are getting bigger and faster and stronger? 0.72

01:25:20.000 Well, this is our modern day gladiators, right?

01:25:22.000 Like, this is back in Rome, you would go see people cut each other's heads off. 0.74

01:25:26.000 That's the, it was, you know, barbarian stuff. 0.96

01:25:29.000 Like, this is as close as we get to that.

01:25:31.000 So the animal in us still wants to see someone get their head torn off, even if, like, oh man, that's so bad.

01:25:35.000 I feel so bad for his family. 0.99

01:25:37.000 Everyone's still going to be like, holy shit, did you see that hit? 0.99

01:25:39.000 Like, that's what we want. 0.99

01:25:41.000 Yeah, I would struggle with that watching a guy lay it out on the field, especially if he's on the other team.

01:25:45.000 No, and they don't glorify that anymore.

01:25:46.000 They used to, you know, leave the camera hovering on the guy that's.

01:25:49.000 Dead on the field.

01:25:49.000 You know, they don't do that anymore.

01:25:50.000 Now it's like, okay, we're going to take this off of here.

01:25:52.000 There's respect for these players.

01:25:53.000 And I do think that that's a very serious thing and it does need to be honored.

01:25:57.000 And I do agree with a lot of these policies that are being put in place to keep these guys safe because I've watched Bears players, great players.

01:26:06.000 Johnny Knox, career ending injury, getting hit too bad.

01:26:12.000 He's one of the best wide receivers in the NFL that we had.

01:26:14.000 Dude, done.

01:26:16.000 Never plays again.

01:26:17.000 We had a tight end.

01:26:18.000 His name is spacing me right now, but his leg literally.

01:26:23.000 Folded up in half when you went into the end zone.

01:26:25.000 Never played again.

01:26:25.000 Rough.

01:26:26.000 The reconstructive surgery this guy needed was insane.

01:26:28.000 He was one of the greatest tight ends we had.

01:26:31.000 It's sad to watch a career come to an end over something like that.

01:26:34.000 So I do support a lot of the things that are going into play.

01:26:37.000 It's just a lot of people are not used to it at first and it comes with a lot of hot, you know, sighs and boos and hisses, but eventually.

01:26:43.000 A lot of hot takes.

01:26:44.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:46.000 But it's necessary.

01:26:47.000 What do you guys think about enhanced sports in general?

01:26:49.000 Like regarding the enhanced games, we went to Vegas a couple weeks ago.

01:26:52.000 Brandon, me too.

01:26:53.000 I think it's great if people want to do it.

01:26:55.000 I think the challenge with the enhanced games is that they had a lot of aged out athletes trying to maintain.

01:27:00.000 Yeah. 0.73

01:27:00.000 They would have broken more world records if there were young people willing to juice up, but why would a young person juice up at their prime when they can actually win big records? 0.73

01:27:09.000 Baseball was best when people were juicing and smashing.

01:27:11.000 Oh, Mark McGuire, dude.

01:27:12.000 Yeah, that era of Barry Bonds, bro.

01:27:14.000 They were just, everybody loves to watch Judge McGuire smash home runs all day long.

01:27:21.000 That's the thing that people love in baseball.

01:27:23.000 Dingers.

01:27:24.000 Was it just that it was unfair?

01:27:25.000 Because, like, most players didn't because they thought they weren't supposed to?

01:27:28.000 I don't think most players did.

01:27:28.000 I don't know.

01:27:30.000 I guess the argument is if some start, everyone would have to be competitive and then it gets real messed up.

01:27:30.000 Players didn't.

01:27:36.000 Well, look at the guy that there was the one guy that won there that wasn't on performance enhancing drugs that won an event.

01:27:41.000 Yes.

01:27:42.000 He went there.

01:27:42.000 It was two people, actually.

01:27:43.000 Was there two people that won?

01:27:44.000 Yeah, it was a woman and a guy. 1.00

01:27:45.000 That's shit. 1.00

01:27:45.000 I'm like, you went to the enhanced games knowing you were going against people. 1.00

01:27:48.000 But they let them in on purpose because that's the point to see if they could do it.

01:27:51.000 To see if they could do it.

01:27:52.000 So it's cool that they can still represent.

01:27:54.000 It was an experiment.

01:27:55.000 And they were doing more than drugs.

01:27:56.000 They were like, it was their regiments were enhanced too.

01:27:59.000 They were on Adderall.

01:27:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 Really?

01:28:02.000 Adderall, Modafinil.

01:28:03.000 You know what that does?

01:28:04.000 No.

01:28:05.000 You don't need sleep.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 Really?

01:28:08.000 Oh, that's intense.

01:28:09.000 Human growth hormone, testosterone.

01:28:11.000 But these guys were older.

01:28:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:14.000 They're like in their late 20s, early 30s, where it's like, okay, your career is winding down in athletics.

01:28:19.000 First, they're going to get a robot that's a bat boy, and then they're going to let him hit, and then they're going to let him pitch, and they're going to be like, we don't need human pitchers anymore.

01:28:26.000 The robot can throw exactly what we're living in Futurama, basically.

01:28:29.000 And then we're living in Futurama, basically.

01:28:30.000 What happens when you've got a dude with one arm and he's got a cybernetic, like, full functioning arm, and they're like, whoa, that's cheating.

01:28:36.000 You can't do it.

01:28:37.000 Remember Pistorius, before you, Got accused.

01:28:39.000 Did he get convicted of murdering his girlfriend or whatever?

01:28:41.000 Yes.

01:28:42.000 Yeah.

01:28:42.000 Well, before he did that, he was running on those spring feet.

01:28:46.000 And they argued it gave him an advantage because it was a mechanical enhancement.

01:28:50.000 He argued he has to use substantially more power and specific muscles to move because runners have, with lower muscle groups, they disperse the energy in their leg more evenly.

01:29:01.000 But there was a big dispute over whether or not those fake legs would give him spring and make him go faster.

01:29:07.000 Look at Antonio Alfonseca.

01:29:08.000 You guys remember him?

01:29:09.000 He's a six fingered pitcher.

01:29:12.000 The guy could throw.

01:29:13.000 Balls that no one else could throw because he had an extra finger on his hand.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, that's not fair.

01:29:18.000 Now, some would argue that it's completely fair because it was a natural thing.

01:29:23.000 He didn't take drugs to grow an extra finger and be good at pitching.

01:29:26.000 He was born this way.

01:29:27.000 What if he did?

01:29:28.000 I mean, what if he was born this way?

01:29:31.000 Here's a pill that'll make you grow another finger.

01:29:33.000 I mean, if they could prove it, sure.

01:29:35.000 Unfair.

01:29:36.000 Absolutely unfair.

01:29:37.000 But if it's like a natural thing, like you can't shun the guy from sports just because he's got an extra finger.

01:29:42.000 You know, this lays heavily into like the whole gender sports thing of should a man be able to.

01:29:48.000 To go into a woman's sport and claim that he's a woman and win the entire thing, that's not a natural enhancement, in my opinion.

01:29:56.000 So, I think there's a plain line to be drawn in between these two things. 0.89

01:30:00.000 If a kid gets like growth hormone juiced up when he's 12 or 13, maybe just dietarily, and he becomes seven foot two, he's got to be a woman. 0.93

01:30:07.000 I mean, that's why we have drug tests, but yeah. 0.98

01:30:08.000 We're going to just grow 10 foot tall monsters that live for 30 years and they can just play basketball while they walk them and just place the ball in the hoop.

01:30:17.000 I wonder if Yao Ming was a chimera, if a Chinese experiment.

01:30:20.000 I don't think he was.

01:30:21.000 I think chimera is the wrong word.

01:30:22.000 It's not the word you're looking for.

01:30:23.000 Chimera is a human, they say human animal hybrid.

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:26.000 Humans are animals.

01:30:26.000 Are you looking for a homunculus?

01:30:28.000 That is not what chimera is.

01:30:29.000 Human animal hybrid?

01:30:29.000 What is it?

01:30:30.000 Chimera means two sets of DNA in one organism. 0.56

01:30:33.000 So there are human chimeras.

01:30:33.000 Okay.

01:30:35.000 Like, you might see one eye.

01:30:38.000 So some people with heterochromia, eyes are different colors because they have different DNA sets.

01:30:42.000 There are people who, in the womb, twins are forming, but then stop.

01:30:47.000 And then part of the body just becomes.

01:30:49.000 So there are a lot of stories where a guy has, like, Different DNA in an organ or something because of some kind of weird, you know, deformity in the womb.

01:30:59.000 So, a human animal hybrid could be a chimera, but not all chimeras are human animal hybrids.

01:31:04.000 That's the science fiction version.

01:31:06.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 Chimerism is just two different sets of DNA. 0.60

01:31:09.000 And so, sci fi says, what if it was like a dog and like a giraffe?

01:31:14.000 And then you're like, okay, well, I guess.

01:31:16.000 What if it's a heavy metal van from Cleveland?

01:31:19.000 Uh huh.

01:31:20.000 Okay, so this is a distinction from what's called a mosaic.

01:31:22.000 So, people can be mosaics too, which arise from mutations of a single zygote.

01:31:27.000 There you go.

01:31:27.000 The mirrors have multiple zygotes.

01:31:27.000 That's the thing.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, yeah, there you go.

01:31:31.000 It's funny you mentioned about American Power earlier, trying to change the name of everything.

01:31:34.000 We already implemented a halftime show for the FIFA World Cup finale.

01:31:38.000 Like, they're getting a 30 or 35 minute halftime show.

01:31:42.000 So, like, they're getting the end of the treatment.

01:31:44.000 Good.

01:31:45.000 Good.

01:31:46.000 And then, what we do is next time we're going to introduce some rule changes, be like, it's a light rule change.

01:31:53.000 Some hand is going to be allowed, like, use different hands.

01:31:57.000 Okay.

01:31:57.000 And then, like, a week later, they'll be like, we're actually adding another rule.

01:32:00.000 We're going to mark the field and we're going to elevate the goal, actually.

01:32:06.000 And then just like, Six months later, after like a dozen rule changes, they're playing football.

01:32:09.000 We'll be like, okay.

01:32:10.000 The World Cup.

01:32:11.000 You're going to rename it football now.

01:32:12.000 No, it's football.

01:32:13.000 Thank you.

01:32:13.000 It's always been football.

01:32:14.000 Yeah.

01:32:14.000 Have a nice day.

01:32:15.000 It would be funny if, like, we set up the World Cup and it's actually just a football, American football, and we're like, oh, you said football.

01:32:22.000 Oh, you meant that football.

01:32:24.000 That one can rock.

01:32:25.000 We'll call it football.

01:32:25.000 Jesus.

01:32:27.000 No, I'm saying we make them play NFL football and then go, oh, we thought when you were saying it was football, like, oh, because we play American dumb. 0.94

01:32:36.000 And we go, wait, wait, oh, that's what you meant? 0.97

01:32:38.000 Whoops.

01:32:39.000 We don't do that here.

01:32:40.000 Sorry.

01:32:40.000 Why would you do that?

01:32:41.000 Fine.

01:32:42.000 Fine.

01:32:42.000 We'll call it football.

01:32:43.000 So, you'll have like, do you think any, what do you think would happen if you took these soccer guys from like these other countries and said, okay, play football?

01:32:49.000 I feel like that South Park episode where the Red Wings played the kids in that game.

01:32:55.000 Remember that?

01:32:56.000 No.

01:32:56.000 No?

01:32:58.000 Isn't there one team right now that currently has one of their kickers?

01:33:00.000 He's a former soccer player professionally.

01:33:03.000 There's a lot of, remember when that lady tried to kick and then she couldn't do it?

01:33:03.000 Makes sense.

01:33:06.000 The crazy thing about that, there is a thing happening right now where, They're realizing that some of the best kickers in the world are people that don't actually play sports.

01:33:17.000 Like, there's like, they're hiring kickers that, yeah, ex soccer players, people that are doctors and stuff like that.

01:33:25.000 But just this guy decided to go out and kick a football for 10 straight years and got better than anybody who went to college for it.

01:33:31.000 Remember the video?

01:33:33.000 There's a college team that put a female kicker in play to be progressive. 1.00

01:33:37.000 And then she just whiffed it real bad, costing them the game. 1.00

01:33:37.000 Yes. 1.00

01:33:41.000 And then the dudes were crying over it.

01:33:43.000 Brutal.

01:33:44.000 The Caleb Haney thing was nuts.

01:33:46.000 Was that it or what?

01:33:47.000 The whole kicker in Chicago that hit the field goal post three times before he was supposed to go to the playoffs.

01:33:53.000 I can't remember if it was two or three times.

01:33:55.000 That dude got death threats.

01:33:57.000 Him and his wife got death threats within a week.

01:33:58.000 Now, the causality of this was this was a kicker who practiced by kicking a football at a pole in the middle of the field and trying to hit the pole.

01:34:07.000 That was one of his muscle memory.

01:34:08.000 That's muscle memory. 1.00

01:34:09.000 Oh, damn. 0.99

01:34:10.000 The whole thing was you're telling me this guy was actually kicking a ball at these poles as practice. 1.00

01:34:15.000 And you put him in a playoff situation and he hits the pole three times.

01:34:20.000 I was watching that game from work and screaming in the workplace because I was by myself because I could not.

01:34:24.000 There's no way he does it again.

01:34:25.000 There's no way he hits the pole again.

01:34:27.000 He hit the pole again.

01:34:28.000 Who's the Brandon Aubrey you mentioned, this guy from Dallas Cowboys?

01:34:32.000 What was his career before he became a kicker?

01:34:35.000 Brandon Aubrey?

01:34:36.000 I don't know what the hell he was doing.

01:34:37.000 But he was a non athlete?

01:34:40.000 Yeah, he did not.

01:34:41.000 I don't believe he got in by conventional means.

01:34:44.000 That's pretty cool, man.

01:34:45.000 Let me check, actually.

01:34:45.000 Yeah.

01:34:46.000 Because I'm kind of curious.

01:34:47.000 Multi sport athlete place.

01:34:49.000 Oh, I think I found the video.

01:34:50.000 Is this one it? 0.91

01:34:52.000 That is Lelani Armenta. 1.00

01:34:54.000 She's a soccer player. 1.00

01:34:54.000 She's going to play and she's going to kick off and maybe even do some field goals tonight for the Jackson State Tigers. 1.00

01:35:00.000 Of course, she was on the Jackson State women's soccer team.

01:35:04.000 And because of injuries this week during practice, she's going to get her shot tonight.

01:35:10.000 She's got a knee break on her kicking leg, too.

01:35:12.000 It's what an impressive young lady has been and a chance for her. 1.00

01:35:12.000 Yeah, what's that? 1.00

01:35:15.000 And I'm sure she's pretty nervous at this point. 1.00

01:35:17.000 But they have her out there and sweat football. 0.94

01:35:21.000 Wow, that was like 18 yards. 1.00

01:35:21.000 Oh. 1.00

01:35:23.000 Do you see that?

01:35:24.000 And here's the story of the day.

01:35:25.000 One of the worst kicks I've ever seen.

01:35:26.000 That wasn't even a squib, that was just a bat.

01:35:28.000 No, that was no.

01:35:29.000 Oh, no.

01:35:30.000 Oops.

01:35:31.000 Borderline onside kick.

01:35:32.000 So, yeah.

01:35:33.000 What the?

01:35:34.000 This was a story from Newsweek.

01:35:35.000 This was from back in 2023. 1.00

01:35:36.000 College football team's first female player widely mocked after kicking. 1.00

01:35:40.000 I feel bad for her.

01:35:40.000 What was she thinking?

01:35:41.000 You're injured and you're going to try and kick?

01:35:43.000 You're going to make yourself look bad.

01:35:44.000 You're going to make everybody look bad.

01:35:46.000 I feel like a lot of that was nerves, too.

01:35:46.000 Man.

01:35:48.000 That looked like she was just panicking and just. 1.00

01:35:50.000 I guarantee there are at least 25 guys on the team who could kick better. 0.98

01:35:53.000 Wow, what a boot.

01:35:57.000 Did her dad sponsor the game? 0.90

01:35:59.000 I can't think of another reason why she's on the pitch.

01:36:01.000 And yes, Brandon Aubrey was a professional soccer player and software engineer before he started kicking in the NFL professionally.

01:36:07.000 He was a soccer.

01:36:08.000 What?

01:36:09.000 He used to play soccer and he was an engineer.

01:36:13.000 He played soccer, of course he did.

01:36:14.000 He was a software engineer.

01:36:16.000 Turned kicker for that.

01:36:17.000 There are actually several current and recent NFL kickers that began their careers as professional and collegiate soccer players.

01:36:22.000 So there's a bunch of people.

01:36:23.000 There's an uptick in it because they're realizing these guys kick balls better than the guys that we've trained to kick footballs their whole lives.

01:36:28.000 Kick balls.

01:36:28.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 Right in the balls. 0.99

01:36:30.000 Yes. 0.99

01:36:32.000 The show Ow My Balls, most notably. 0.98

01:36:36.000 It's like Power Slap.

01:36:37.000 That we watched a lot.

01:36:39.000 Our bass player really likes that show.

01:36:42.000 It's Rochambeau.

01:36:43.000 It's like, first, I smack you as hard as I can, and if you survive, you can smack me after.

01:36:46.000 It's like, what?

01:36:47.000 Who goes first?

01:36:48.000 Some dudes don't get a chance.

01:36:50.000 There's a coin toss, I guess.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, but I'm willing to bet if you track power slap, majority of the winners are the guys who went first.

01:36:57.000 Because even if the other guy stays up, he's smacked.

01:37:01.000 Like, it's going to be disorienting.

01:37:04.000 I've seen a bunch of the matches where they, I think it's only three slaps each, and they both make it through. 0.98

01:37:12.000 I mean, I just dumb. 0.99

01:37:13.000 I think it's dumb too. 0.99

01:37:14.000 Power slap the person who strikes first wins approximately 53% of all matchups. 0.98

01:37:18.000 That's it?

01:37:19.000 Really?

01:37:20.000 Wow.

01:37:21.000 They must set those matchups intentionally to be like the stronger guy has to go second.

01:37:25.000 Because you're getting smacked in the face.

01:37:25.000 Maybe.

01:37:25.000 I don't know.

01:37:27.000 It's hard to take a smack, man, like that.

01:37:29.000 Did you ever see the pillow fight ones?

01:37:32.000 It's just two guys that go out and it's extreme pillow fighting.

01:37:32.000 No.

01:37:34.000 Wait, what?

01:37:35.000 It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

01:37:35.000 Basically, look it up.

01:37:38.000 They literally take pillows and wad them up at the end and they go after each other and try to knock each other out with pillows.

01:37:44.000 This just sounds like an ESP.

01:37:46.000 Something that you see on the Ocho.

01:37:50.000 It's like that slap play.

01:37:52.000 It's basically MMA with pillows.

01:37:54.000 Oh, nice one.

01:37:55.000 Oh, these guys are good.

01:37:57.000 What I'm liking for Turbo is he's cutting off Simon from jumping.

01:37:57.000 This is cool.

01:38:03.000 Oh, I love it.

01:38:07.000 What is this supposed to accomplish?

01:38:12.000 Is he sponsored by Dr. Pepper?

01:38:15.000 How many people are in the stands?

01:38:17.000 I'm in there.

01:38:18.000 Sponsored by the Pillow Show.

01:38:20.000 Do they actually get knocked out, though?

01:38:22.000 I have seen people get knocked out.

01:38:25.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

01:38:26.000 Oh, she knocked out.

01:38:28.000 How heavy are the pillows?

01:38:31.000 Not that heavy, obviously.

01:38:34.000 With the grazing pillow strike.

01:38:38.000 He used friction to his advantage.

01:38:40.000 I wonder if someone will get knocked out.

01:38:45.000 I assume it's score based.

01:38:48.000 Blocking every shot.

01:38:49.000 You probably get points.

01:38:52.000 Oh!

01:38:53.000 That's a 360.

01:38:55.000 If you hit the 360, you hit the hand, and your hand hits your.

01:39:01.000 Someone's got to get something action here.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, Carrano, great 360.

01:39:06.000 And you knock over the legs. 0.63

01:39:07.000 That's a three pointer.

01:39:08.000 Get used to it, because if the governor and the mayor of Chicago have anything to do with it, this is going to be the only thing you're going to have to watch in Chicago.

01:39:17.000 I don't know.

01:39:17.000 This is kind of bass.

01:39:18.000 I kind of like this.

01:39:21.000 Like it's point bass. 0.84

01:39:22.000 I'd like to see someone get knocked out. 0.88

01:39:26.000 Oh! 0.93

01:39:27.000 I'm sure someone's been smacked hard enough.

01:39:29.000 Freedom.

01:39:30.000 I don't even want to know.

01:39:30.000 Rocks in their bag?

01:39:31.000 Terrible.

01:39:32.000 They put barbed wire on it.

01:39:34.000 He's just called that the stingo.

01:39:35.000 I imagine there is an official way, yeah.

01:39:39.000 The pillows.

01:39:39.000 A way.

01:39:40.000 I want to see the way in where they're testing the softness of the pillow. 0.89

01:39:44.000 Too firm. 1.00

01:39:45.000 There's a ton of knockouts.

01:39:48.000 Pillow fight.

01:39:49.000 There's a ton, actually.

01:39:50.000 Really?

01:39:52.000 How long has this thing been around for?

01:39:55.000 I think I first saw this four or five years ago.

01:39:57.000 So it's been.

01:39:59.000 There you go, 2021.

01:40:00.000 I prefer it to that slap fight challenge.

01:40:00.000 Yeah.

01:40:02.000 Yeah.

01:40:03.000 That's just brutal.

01:40:07.000 This is way better than slap, dude. 0.99

01:40:08.000 Yeah, slap kind of sucks for me. 0.91

01:40:11.000 Okay, we don't need this weird music. 1.00

01:40:12.000 Where's the knockouts? 1.00

01:40:15.000 I want to see a knockout, though. 1.00

01:40:17.000 There's a bunch of shorts of knockouts, but I want to see it. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Downs, they count those probably. 0.99

01:40:22.000 Is she wearing a blue Lives Matter? 0.92

01:40:23.000 It looked like it. 0.84

01:40:24.000 Oh boy.

01:40:24.000 Pants?

01:40:25.000 Nice.

01:40:26.000 Thin blue line.

01:40:27.000 Ooh, that one got him.

01:40:30.000 Boom!

01:40:31.000 He got a pillow in the face.

01:40:33.000 We're getting heavier as the.

01:40:37.000 There's got to be a better one than this. 0.97

01:40:38.000 This is ridiculous. 0.84

01:40:39.000 I searched for PFC knockouts. 0.91

01:40:44.000 Yeah, these are TKOs.

01:40:45.000 These aren't KOs.

01:40:46.000 Yeah, I want to see. 0.99

01:40:47.000 Yeah, this is dumb. 0.98

01:40:48.000 Does someone actually get knocked out? 0.98

01:40:50.000 I don't think that anyone has.

01:40:52.000 It's like on TikTok they got it, but where's the YouTube?

01:40:55.000 Oh, in the Optagon now.

01:40:56.000 We might need to test this. 0.99

01:40:57.000 Professional pillow fighter gets knocked out with a pillow. 0.90

01:41:00.000 You just take turns cracking Andy in the face of the pillow and see how many.

01:41:04.000 This is just someone reacting to it.

01:41:05.000 Where's the actual knockout, bro?

01:41:08.000 Where's the juice?

01:41:10.000 Give me some juice.

01:41:11.000 Dude, if someone gets knocked out by a pillow, that's the funny thing.

01:41:14.000 Who cares about TKO?

01:41:15.000 I Google searched it and it's all just like TKO.

01:41:17.000 Well, duh, that's all the game is.

01:41:19.000 Spinning backhand. 0.62

01:41:20.000 Yeah, I've noticed that's the go to move.

01:41:23.000 This is annoying. 1.00

01:41:24.000 If number one isn't a legitimate knockout, I guess there's. 0.94

01:41:27.000 Like, I don't want to pull up a TikTok video.

01:41:29.000 It's annoying.

01:41:30.000 It gives you the business.

01:41:33.000 I've had a business with my friends.

01:41:33.000 Oh, please.

01:41:34.000 Is this not a knockout?

01:41:35.000 This is terrible. 0.99

01:41:37.000 I don't think there are knockouts in the pillow fighting.

01:41:39.000 I don't think so either.

01:41:40.000 The guy got knocked out of the ring.

01:41:41.000 It's not a knockout.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, you'd have to be real.

01:41:43.000 Technically, it was.

01:41:44.000 I would take that at this point.

01:41:45.000 Seeing someone get smacked so hard they went out of the ring, that would be funny.

01:41:49.000 I got knocked out of the ring.

01:41:51.000 Yeah, a guy got knocked out of the ring.

01:41:52.000 That's not.

01:41:53.000 Ain't nobody getting knocked out.

01:41:55.000 I can't believe there are people that are watching this.

01:41:57.000 They're just trading blows.

01:42:00.000 It's worse than that, Phil.

01:42:01.000 People paid money to watch this.

01:42:03.000 Yeah, right.

01:42:04.000 Someone sponsored this.

01:42:05.000 If anyone's listening and not watching, it's top 10 hits of 2021 is the name of it.

01:42:08.000 Is that guy wearing a Tigger cosplay back there?

01:42:11.000 Probably.

01:42:13.000 Oh, they just caught off.

01:42:14.000 This is on ESPN, dude.

01:42:15.000 Ref had to step in.

01:42:16.000 This is like a big thing.

01:42:18.000 How do we know?

01:42:18.000 They're just allowing the pillows to hit their faces.

01:42:21.000 That's because you don't get knocked out with a pillow.

01:42:24.000 Give it to me.

01:42:24.000 I'll show you how hard I am.

01:42:26.000 Okay, well, this isn't pillow fighting, but it came up and it's entertaining.

01:42:29.000 This is way better.

01:42:30.000 Yes.

01:42:31.000 Oh, what is SCA, right?

01:42:33.000 Ah, yes.

01:42:34.000 Yes.

01:42:35.000 That's painful.

01:42:36.000 This is definitely better.

01:42:38.000 This is the Barbary that I was referring to earlier that we're so obsessed with.

01:42:42.000 This is still entertaining for us.

01:42:43.000 Medieval sword fighting.

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:46.000 There's some great video games.

01:42:50.000 This is why medieval times is still around and it has become the weapon of time.

01:42:55.000 You can go to any SCA chapter and do this right now if you wanted to.

01:42:59.000 What's that, SCA?

01:43:00.000 The Society for Creative Anachronism.

01:43:02.000 And this is where guys with a lot of money to blow will dress up exactly like that and beat the tar out of each other.

01:43:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:09.000 Is it something where a poor guy like me can walk up, become a fighter, and then slowly ascend to the rank of gladiator and take over, you know, overthrow a small community of.

01:43:17.000 I mean, I met guys that literally would sniff their own.

01:43:20.000 Oh!

01:43:20.000 There you go.

01:43:21.000 In the middle ages, this is when he would pull out of.

01:43:23.000 Dagger and put it through the eye visor of the other guy.

01:43:26.000 Knocked it to the head?

01:43:27.000 Yeah.

01:43:29.000 Oh, he knocked him out, dude.

01:43:31.000 Yeah.

01:43:31.000 That's sharp.

01:43:33.000 Look at that arena.

01:43:35.000 That's bludgeoning to the face.

01:43:39.000 Very Highlander esque. 1.00

01:43:40.000 Bought him like the Scotland Highlands.

01:43:42.000 Yeah, the dude's like, no, I'm done.

01:43:45.000 Night and lights fights.

01:43:48.000 Bro, relentless.

01:43:51.000 Bloody face and everything.

01:43:53.000 Oh, that guy's getting dragged out.

01:43:57.000 That's tough because he's got a metal mask on.

01:43:59.000 You couldn't see how busted his face was.

01:44:02.000 Oh, you'll find out when you pull it off.

01:44:03.000 Yeah.

01:44:04.000 There's a bunch of it.

01:44:05.000 Armored MMA.

01:44:06.000 His arm from coming down to raining all his points, but it's.

01:44:12.000 Is that going to be a good one?

01:44:14.000 The ref's got a stick. 0.93

01:44:15.000 That's nuts.

01:44:16.000 Yeah.

01:44:16.000 Side control.

01:44:16.000 What the?

01:44:18.000 Well, they're the blood source.

01:44:23.000 I've been like throwing each other around, taking down.

01:44:29.000 At what point do you.

01:44:30.000 Are you susceptible to taking the tip of one of those swords in the gut?

01:44:35.000 You know?

01:44:37.000 I wonder if there's any like, man, if you're standing right when the Bruin gets going.

01:44:44.000 Well, they don't give him the sharpness.

01:44:46.000 Yeah, they round it.

01:44:47.000 Because the Bruin, he comes right back when he gets hit, which is awesome to see.

01:44:52.000 But he's got to watch that takedown.

01:44:54.000 So when you come off the mat after the ground is the winning championship, they're not fully covered by this armor.

01:45:00.000 Who's coming up with less energy?

01:45:02.000 The armor looks like they're just covering this.

01:45:03.000 The person who was delivering this.

01:45:05.000 They got plates.

01:45:06.000 It's mainly just the front.

01:45:07.000 Is it like half plate or something?

01:45:09.000 Oh, there's a trillion bill of matches there.

01:45:13.000 We get full suits.

01:45:15.000 Let's just watch guys sword fight in plate armor from now on.

01:45:18.000 I mean.

01:45:19.000 We're going to get your questions here from the Discord.

01:45:19.000 All right, everybody.

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01:45:23.000 We'll pull them up for everybody else.

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01:45:27.000 Cinosky, he's got a question.

01:45:28.000 He says Tim, over the last few years, we've seen the slow shift of business demonstrating that wokeism DI policies just aren't a thing anymore.

01:45:35.000 The Bears being the prime example today.

01:45:37.000 But even earlier this week, with Victoria's Secret shares surging nearly 50% after moving back to sexy and hot models.

01:45:43.000 Is it a true sign of positive change or is it a false signal simply due to Trump policy changes?

01:45:47.000 I think they lost a ton of money.

01:45:49.000 I think Bud Light proved it.

01:45:51.000 So a lot of these companies are retreating, but woke isn't dead.

01:45:53.000 When you conquer a nation, its people are still there.

01:45:56.000 You have to subjugate them. 0.91

01:45:57.000 So the woke must be subjugated and kept out of media and entertainment institutions and corporations.

01:46:02.000 And I don't know what you guys think.

01:46:04.000 Reeducation.

01:46:06.000 When you conquer a nation, you reeducate the populace.

01:46:08.000 They're lying dormant right now.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say lying dormant.

01:46:12.000 I think that there are things that, That they will stop pushing, right?

01:46:15.000 So, in this context, you're talking about the Victoria's Secret stuff.

01:46:18.000 Like, I don't imagine that the body positivity movement or body positivity part of woke is going to be a thing anymore, particularly with things like Ozempic and Manjaro.

01:46:27.000 You have the option to not be overweight anymore.

01:46:31.000 And I don't think that was ever real.

01:46:32.000 There was never people that actually thought that people that were overweight was a good thing.

01:46:37.000 It's unhealthy.

01:46:38.000 They were trying to make all these arguments, it was untrue. 0.98

01:46:40.000 But I think that the LGBT lobby lost a lot of power because of the trans part of the LGBT groups and stuff.

01:46:46.000 But there are still going to be people that are going to be like, well, you know, there's still systemic racism and all those other types of things.

01:46:53.000 I think those things are deeply ingrained in a lot of people.

01:46:56.000 And so I don't think it's going away.

01:46:58.000 It might change a little bit and it has lost, you know, social currency.

01:47:05.000 But it will come back when Democrats are back in power.

01:47:07.000 The Democrats haven't significantly moved away from all of these narratives.

01:47:11.000 Like they'll tone down the rhetoric now.

01:47:14.000 It's not, obviously, it's not as bad as it was in 2020, 21.

01:47:18.000 But.

01:47:19.000 The people are still running on these things.

01:47:21.000 You still hear people talking about the class warfare stuff.

01:47:26.000 You still see the left scapegoating certain groups of people and stuff like that.

01:47:31.000 So it hasn't gone away.

01:47:33.000 It will change some, but it's going to come back.

01:47:35.000 Well, I mean, we live in a very much bifurcated kind of environment.

01:47:39.000 We often describe things as like two realities or two Americas.

01:47:42.000 But I mean, fundamentally, you still see those anti racist messagings at the end of every, you know, end zone at the NFL.

01:47:48.000 You still have that the Oscars have their requirements to even be nominated to meet their various DEI and diversity goals.

01:47:55.000 This is why Nolan's The Odyssey is the absolute.

01:47:58.000 Fire show that it is in terms of representation of one of the most important myths and historical events to Western culture.

01:48:07.000 And at the same time, like these battles are still going on.

01:48:09.000 Even right now, we can take a look at the things that people like James Tallarico are saying, that is the Democratic candidate for the Senate right now.

01:48:16.000 I mean, you know, he has said it multiple times, even abusing the pulpit, saying, you know, he thinks about trans kids while having a beard of a girlfriend, where all these things that are taking place.

01:48:25.000 I mean, yeah, there's some cultural victories or mores where they're like, oh, they're reversing something.

01:48:29.000 But When you have people on Twitter who are prominent progressive activists saying, well, woke 1.0 had some problems, that's not going away anytime soon because those institutions haven't been captured, they haven't been defunded, and there hasn't been a proper punishment.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, the Bud Light thing is probably the first major success that we've seen against this sort of stuff.

01:48:50.000 But when people like Benny Johnson and Orrin McIntyre can't even get Jimmy Kimmel canceled for openly lying about Charlie Kirk's assassination, then the right still has a long way to go.

01:48:59.000 And I think woke has not gone away, it may be in hiding, but.

01:49:03.000 We know that when people run as Democrats, like I'm John Normalson or whatever, like this Graham Platner guy that you guys were talking about yesterday, it doesn't matter how normal he tries to look on the outside, he's going to vote to the left of Mao every single time, no matter what problematic thing you may have with him.

01:49:17.000 It seems like wokeism derives from classism, which is like the Marxist.

01:49:22.000 Marxism is.

01:49:23.000 But have there been instances historiologically, if you guys know, of like class warfare before Marx?

01:49:29.000 Was he the first guy that kind of the whole French Revolution?

01:49:33.000 Yeah, there's a lot of class wars. 0.50

01:49:35.000 Like India, the caste system is like a class, like a victory of a class war.

01:49:41.000 What we consider like modern socialism, like the seeds were planted in the French Revolution, right?

01:49:46.000 Like, so the Jacobins and Rousseau, all those ideas, or all the ideas that Marx kind of put into the Communist Manifesto, they were all very popular with the French left during the French Revolution.

01:49:59.000 Like, people love to blame the Jews and say that communism came from the Jews.

01:50:03.000 It didn't come from the Jews, it came from the French.

01:50:05.000 During the French Revolution. 0.81

01:50:06.000 Like, that's where all the seeds were planted.

01:50:08.000 That's where the ideas really started to gain popular.

01:50:09.000 And you've got a lot of other things to look at there.

01:50:11.000 I mean, with the French Revolution, there's a great book by Jack Goldstone called Revolution and Rebellion in the Early Modern Era.

01:50:17.000 The pressures for the French Revolution are heavily predicated on poor resources of mismanagement, the fact that the royalty is trying to create ways in which the titles of nobility for you to have access to land or wealth are increasingly diminished.

01:50:30.000 You have an overproduction of areas for people that are trying to develop an understanding of, say, like, law degrees are a really good example of this.

01:50:37.000 There were an over surplus of lawyers.

01:50:39.000 Plus a famine, and also infant mortality was down, so people were living longer.

01:50:43.000 You had a perfect demographic and an economic time bomb that was a large part due to revolution.

01:50:49.000 And I mean, we can sort of look at this based on purchasing power, we can examine this based off the demographics, and eventually the management of that system, in this case, the royalty.

01:50:57.000 We saw how it was from the beginning of the revolution towards the end.

01:51:00.000 Like, class warfare does, yes, happen, but it's also heavily going to be predicated on the external pressures that a lot of materialist analysis works off of.

01:51:10.000 It's older than Marxism.

01:51:11.000 We can even look at the Glorious Revolution in England in the 1600s.

01:51:15.000 We can look throughout all of history that typically in periods of imperial rule, you're either bringing in other people to diminish the labor power that's there or otherwise.

01:51:24.000 But it also comes not as exclusively, I don't think it's exclusively materialist because, again, usually when you're bringing in a new policy or a new identity to either replace scab labor or whatever, I mean, it also comes with religion, ethnicity, it comes with a sense of cultural values.

01:51:40.000 And it's the same thing that we're seeing already now.

01:51:42.000 Like, we saw this during what a lot of people call peak woke, but like, When Alison Bree is saying, like, this movie's not made for you, she's being very accurate.

01:51:50.000 It isn't made for me and mine.

01:51:51.000 It's made to indoctrinate the next level of children and for the people that they already have as the next consumer base.

01:51:57.000 They've already talked about this for years, whether it's ditching the gamers or ditching the pre existing audience.

01:52:02.000 Ugly filters.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, the ugly filter.

01:52:04.000 And we know that the left idolizes the ugly over the good and the true and the beautiful.

01:52:09.000 But outside of that, they also have the means to enforce it because the right doesn't have control over the various means in which you enforce it.

01:52:18.000 The diversity quotas happen all the time.

01:52:19.000 Let's grab this question.

01:52:20.000 We got this from Igrego.

01:52:23.000 He says, Question for the panel.

01:52:25.000 If when you get married, your wife's parents become your mother in law and father in law, and her siblings become your brother in law and sister in law, does this mean that your wife is now your sister in law?

01:52:35.000 No, she's your wife.

01:52:37.000 My own grandpa.

01:52:40.000 The answer is no, but I got the joke you're trying to make. 0.99

01:52:43.000 Just a wife, you know? 0.96

01:52:45.000 All right, what do we got here? 1.00

01:52:47.000 Volunteering for change says, New York State Legislature passes bill removing gender specific terms from custody laws.

01:52:52.000 What are your thoughts? 0.99

01:52:55.000 Probably a good thing, accidentally.

01:52:57.000 Remove the bias, I guess, from family courts. 0.91

01:52:59.000 They changed mother to gestating parent.

01:53:02.000 Oh, right. 0.59

01:53:03.000 Yeah, that doesn't work.

01:53:03.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 And they'll still end up, you know, putting all of the onus on the man to pay for the child. 0.91

01:53:09.000 Yeah, the family court system is rhetorically anti male.

01:53:12.000 Changing the verbiage doesn't change the material conditions.

01:53:17.000 Well, okay.

01:53:18.000 Yeah.

01:53:19.000 Make them fight in the AMMA.

01:53:22.000 What is that?

01:53:24.000 AMMA.

01:53:25.000 Something MMA?

01:53:26.000 AMMA.

01:53:27.000 Mixed martial arts.

01:53:28.000 Armored.

01:53:28.000 Mixed martial arts.

01:53:29.000 Oh, right.

01:53:30.000 Armored.

01:53:30.000 Yeah.

01:53:31.000 There we go.

01:53:33.000 Look, it's fun to watch.

01:53:34.000 It's cool.

01:53:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:36.000 The shield to the face.

01:53:38.000 I mean, the edges of those shields just battering.

01:53:39.000 Yeah, the real prehistoric man in me loves to just sit and mindlessly drone over it.

01:53:44.000 Wrath asks question Have we entered the bargaining phase with the woke, similar to how treaties are signed after wars?

01:53:52.000 I don't know. 0.85

01:53:52.000 Maybe. 0.85

01:53:53.000 I thought we just crushed them.

01:53:54.000 Yeah, I don't think that they're comfortable giving up anything.

01:54:00.000 I think that they're not comfortable giving up.

01:54:03.000 There are things that they will stop pushing, the things that turn off the middle of America.

01:54:09.000 Like I said, trans stuff is something that's really not popular.

01:54:14.000 A lot of gays and lesbians are really upset with the trans lobby because there are people that have a negative view of gays and lesbians now because of the trans lobby, because of the activists. 0.95

01:54:25.000 So they'll.

01:54:26.000 They'll stop pushing things that are obviously unpopular with the American people. 1.00

01:54:30.000 But, I mean, your average white urban liberal woman is still all in on things like anti racism and all that stuff.

01:54:42.000 They still believe, you know, there are people that still believe that, you know, black men are hunted in the streets by police, even though statistically you see that that is just never true.

01:54:50.000 There was always just a line to get people to open their wallets.

01:54:54.000 They haven't left the restaurant.

01:54:55.000 They're just hiding out in the.

01:54:57.000 Unisex bathroom?

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:54:59.000 I guess so.

01:54:59.000 Yeah.

01:55:00.000 They're in the they room.

01:55:00.000 I'll be back.

01:55:01.000 Yeah.

01:55:01.000 I mean, to imply bargaining implies that there's been some kind of victory.

01:55:05.000 I mean, the president is in the White House, but the Republican Party that he's the avatar of won't even pass the most important piece of election integrity legislation that this country's ever seen that it desperately needs.

01:55:17.000 Otherwise, we're going to keep seeing this mail in ballot crap like we're witnessing in Los Angeles.

01:55:21.000 But it really does go to show that, like, yeah, an election is great, but you shouldn't be using this as a pressure release valve. 0.79

01:55:27.000 And the average person obviously thinks that.

01:55:29.000 I mean, considering what we're, it's 2026.

01:55:31.000 So we're now 11 years since Oberfeld v. Hodges, the legalization of gay marriage in the country.

01:55:37.000 And I mean, that really, I think for a lot of people, realize that the court has always been the supreme legislator over our congressmen, despite them having the power of the purse.

01:55:45.000 And so all of our cultural war battles have been predicated on court victories.

01:55:49.000 The left has especially been operating on legal battles for forever, at least since the 1960s.

01:55:54.000 And so, yeah, there's nothing for us to bargain with because the left knows that they can either wait out this administration or wait out the demographic time bomb in this country and then they can implement their victory.

01:56:04.000 I mean, until they are absolutely crushed and kept out of power forever, there is no bargaining on either side to happen because the war is still on.

01:56:11.000 My name is Munchop, says Tim.

01:56:12.000 You talk about wanting to build a city, but what industry would you use to coalesce around?

01:56:16.000 For example, Austin grew a huge amount of the tech industry, moved in, then an avalanche of new industries followed, including entertainment.

01:56:21.000 What would your idea be for a high money industry?

01:56:24.000 The Timcast Corporation brings a lot of economic activity to this area that probably wouldn't exist.

01:56:30.000 We may be one of the highest grossing businesses in the town that we're in.

01:56:35.000 Actually, probably, I think it's fair to say we are.

01:56:38.000 So that produces revenue.

01:56:42.000 The people who work here then rent around the area, they go to restaurants around the area.

01:56:46.000 That activity is coming in.

01:56:48.000 Then I tell other people in similar positions to center their businesses here.

01:56:53.000 You could probably negotiate with the state because Western Union is a smaller state population wise, and they'll cut you a tax deal if you say you want to bring your business here.

01:57:00.000 They'll get you some kind of deal.

01:57:01.000 Then you get a bunch of media businesses and you get their market products.

01:57:05.000 The idea for the anti Times Square was a cultural center that is, tourism.

01:57:10.000 People would come to Martinsburg to shop at the stores because they know they can see all of the great products from the people online they like.

01:57:17.000 So a cultural center like Times Square.

01:57:19.000 What does Times Square offer?

01:57:20.000 Times Square, you know, right?

01:57:23.000 What say you, Ian?

01:57:23.000 Yeah.

01:57:24.000 You want to build the city, right?

01:57:24.000 What are you going to do?

01:57:26.000 Industry wise?

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:30.000 Honestly, it would be a big, big, big uptake, but I think we should make graphene.

01:57:36.000 I think that we should start collecting trash.

01:57:38.000 That was obvious.

01:57:39.000 I was going to suggest American steel, which is still popular and highly sought after, but now graphene afterwards.

01:57:44.000 Yeah, you could import trash, start importing trash and flashing it into graphene and mass, but they're doing it already elsewhere.

01:57:49.000 It doesn't mean that we can't do it here. 0.93

01:57:51.000 Chicago's been importing trash for years.

01:57:53.000 Yeah, dude, you just turn that carbon into graphene, man, and export it. 0.97

01:57:57.000 Import export.

01:57:58.000 People will be sitting there in laboratories with clay pots and what are those things called? 0.95

01:58:02.000 Arc welders, just turning their black carbon trash into graphene. 0.99

01:58:08.000 I mean, what's the closest waterway here from right now?

01:58:13.000 We have the Shenandoah, the Potomac.

01:58:15.000 Okay, so I mean, I'm thinking about water and industry, things that we desperately need to be built in house.

01:58:22.000 If I'm going to build a town, if I'm going to build around here, I would be coordinating with both the federal government and the HHS specifically, but not HHS, but Health and Human Services, but also with the state government.

01:58:32.000 I would start thinking about building pharmaceuticals, especially antibiotics. 1.00

01:58:35.000 We're almost heavily reliant exclusively on the Chinese to do it. 1.00

01:58:38.000 And considering that all of their student visas that they come over either come in with agro terrorism and biological terrorism, probably be best for the most important thing of the modern medical industry, antibiotics, to be built by Americans here at home. 1.00

01:58:51.000 Not just a Walmart. 0.98

01:58:54.000 That'll come next.

01:58:55.000 Yeah.

01:58:56.000 Walmart can sell the pharmaceuticals.

01:58:57.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 And they do.

01:58:59.000 Yeah, it'll be, it should be data centers, I think.

01:59:02.000 Well, I mean, that's been such in the works for so many years.

01:59:04.000 Like, I know that a lot of people are now getting upset, or there's been, you know, allegations of the Chinese also paying, you know, people to agitate against it.

01:59:12.000 Which, I mean, hey, if Hassan Piker's going to jail, no complaints here.

01:59:15.000 But at the same time, a lot of these things have been put in place in previous administrations.

01:59:19.000 Like, a lot of projects that are happening to revitalize power plants or to make room for data centers, these things aren't going to be built until 2029 to 2033.

01:59:28.000 And even then, there's still a lot of groundwork that needs to be done.

01:59:31.000 So we're talking about, Steel, insulation, making sure that the construction companies have everything that they need.

01:59:38.000 So there's a lot there that, of course, kind of hampers us because our industrial base has been so hollowed out.

01:59:43.000 And it already makes it harder if you're getting any sort of tax subsidy or a grant to do so because there's like the BABA requirements buy American, build American.

01:59:51.000 And like, unless you're actually a company or a factory or manufacturer that's producing steel or the various forms of widgets, whatever you need to build or insulation, wiring, et cetera, that does put a hamper on a lot of domestic building and manufacturing.

02:00:04.000 And I mean, The thing is, though, on a national security level, you absolutely need that to come back.

02:00:08.000 It's just now whether or not this administration or any government on a state level or local wants to provide either maybe the necessity or the subsidies or whatever to make it happen.

02:00:19.000 But these things are just a question of national security needs for the United States, period.

02:00:25.000 Thinker for Life says Do you think if the left did gain power again, they would use flot cams to track down conservatives who fight their manipulation?

02:00:31.000 Sure.

02:00:32.000 Similarly, how ICE uses them to track illegals and suspected illegals.

02:00:36.000 Which ICE asks us to submit on the tip form.

02:00:38.000 Yes, of course.

02:00:39.000 Absolutely.

02:00:40.000 Flop cams?

02:00:41.000 Yeah, they track your license plates and then they create a database of where people are and what they do.

02:00:45.000 It's like, what are the cameras?

02:00:45.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 How do they track?

02:00:48.000 Where are they coming from?

02:00:49.000 They'll be on the side of the road, and when you drive past it, it registers your license plate and your car.

02:00:53.000 Man, that's the problem with centralization.

02:00:54.000 They formulate patterns on where you've been, where you're going regularly, so they know where to trap you.

02:00:58.000 It is deeply concerning about cheering on a technocratic incision because whoever gets control of it is like, good God, who's coming next?

02:01:06.000 Who's going to be in charge next?

02:01:08.000 Who gets the Palantir next?

02:01:11.000 I had a dream about the guy who runs Palantir, Alex Karp, last night that I was hanging out with him.

02:01:16.000 He was super cool and he wanted to call me Testosterone Tilly or something.

02:01:19.000 What the hell?

02:01:20.000 He's like, I don't want to put your real name in my phone. 0.98

02:01:21.000 We'll just call you like Testosterone Terry or something.

02:01:24.000 That's what I would have used.

02:01:25.000 Yeah.

02:01:26.000 He was loopy in that dream.

02:01:28.000 That's the first thing when it came to my mind.

02:01:29.000 That was Alex Karp.

02:01:30.000 Get on the show, bro.

02:01:31.000 Come on.

02:01:32.000 All right. 0.87

02:01:33.000 Let's grab one more while we're at it.

02:01:36.000 Munchup says, No way Times Square is the New York Stock Exchange right there.

02:01:39.000 That's incorrect.

02:01:41.000 The New York Stock Exchange is not in Times Square, it's downtown.

02:01:43.000 It's downtown on Wall Street.

02:01:44.000 Which is where the wall was.

02:01:46.000 The Financial District, Times Square, again, the New York Stock Exchange is in the Financial District near Battery Park.

02:01:53.000 Times Square is miles away.

02:01:54.000 Times Square is really just an opposite end.

02:01:57.000 It was a crossroads of Broadway and 46th Street.

02:02:00.000 Or 6th is Broadway.

02:02:01.000 6th Avenue.

02:02:02.000 Broadway is its own street.

02:02:03.000 It's a diagonal street that cuts across everything.

02:02:06.000 Intersects with 6th Avenue and 42nd Street.

02:02:08.000 And that's Times Square, basically.

02:02:10.000 And what was there was the Times building, the news.

02:02:14.000 So there's Thomson Reuters that's up there right now, but it's a bunch of just random media stuff.

02:02:19.000 Times Square literally makes money for being Times Square.

02:02:21.000 No one goes there to go to Thomson Reuters building.

02:02:23.000 I mean, like, you do if you have to go there, but the people who come there and buy food, it's because Bubba Gump Shrimp is there.

02:02:27.000 And it's like 10 blocks away from Central Park.

02:02:30.000 So it's kind of a nice, nice business area.

02:02:32.000 Yeah, it's a tourist, you know, mecca.

02:02:34.000 Yeah, you would avoid that at all costs if you live there.

02:02:37.000 Yep.

02:02:38.000 Usually.

02:02:39.000 Smells good.

02:02:40.000 Smells like roasted peanuts.

02:02:42.000 People walk very slow in Times Square. 0.98

02:02:43.000 It smells like bum, piss, and disappointment.

02:02:46.000 I always smell the good dudes grilling the peanuts at their stalls on there. 0.56

02:02:46.000 Really? 0.56

02:02:50.000 I smell New York.

02:02:51.000 Just smells good.

02:02:51.000 Bless you for being able to pick that aroma out of the air over there.

02:02:55.000 All right, everybody.

02:02:56.000 That about does it for today.

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02:04:37.000 And thank you guys for letting a.

02:04:40.000 Pissed off ex Chicago native voices, grievances on the show.

02:04:43.000 My name is Brandon Miner.

02:04:44.000 You can follow me at Brando Boonies on Insta and on X. Don't forget to check out the skateboard podcast and check out PCC, both shows which I appear on randomly.

02:04:52.000 And thanks for letting me hang out.

02:04:53.000 Let's go.

02:04:54.000 We'll be back with clips throughout the weekend.

02:04:56.000 Then, of course, on Monday, thanks for hanging out.

02:04:58.000 We'll see y'all next time.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 05, 2026

Chicago Bears LEAVE CHICAGO | Timcast IRL

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