Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - CNN SLAMMED For Claiming BLACK J6 Bomb Suspect IS A WHITE MAN w- Milo & George Santos | Timcast IRL

00:03:05.000 CNN is getting roasted because when they arrested that black man as the suspect in the JSICS pipe bombing, he's got a picture of the guy on the TV and he calls him a white man because this is all they can do. 0.97

00:03:16.000 They're either just miserable at their job or they're intentionally lying. 0.91

00:03:19.000 And at this point in my life, it's just I'm going to assume they're intentionally lying.

00:03:23.000 But we've got a bunch of other big stories.

00:03:24.000 The Supreme Court will be taking up the challenge to birthright citizenship, which means, considering the court is 6-3, there's a probability they may say no to birthright citizenship and put an end to it, which would be like a nuclear bomb in politics.

00:03:37.000 And then we've got some fun stories, which are actually rather terrifying.

00:03:39.000 And that is, solar rays blasted a plane out of the sky.

00:03:42.000 It fell thousands of feet.

00:03:44.000 Several people got injured.

00:03:45.000 Then they recalled a bunch of jets.

00:03:47.000 And it could be because the magnetosphere is weakening.

00:03:51.000 Planes are falling out of the sky, maybe, but they're recalling them.

00:03:54.000 So that one's a bit more fun.

00:03:55.000 Friday, and I imagine this will be the fastest two hours you've ever experienced because it's going to be a lot of fun, a lot of laughter.

00:04:02.000 It's going to be pretty heartwarming.

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00:05:29.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:05:31.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Milo.

00:05:34.000 I'm not very well.

00:05:35.000 I was on, I was, well, you're never very well, Milo.

00:05:39.000 When was the last time you were well?

00:05:39.000 When have you?

00:05:40.000 Well, people have been calling me sick in the head for a long time, but the joke's on you now.

00:05:43.000 I've got brain cancer.

00:05:44.000 So no, I was.

00:05:47.000 You could try.

00:05:47.000 Nobody can laugh.

00:05:48.000 No, nobody can laugh.

00:05:49.000 You could try, but you ain't going to win today. 0.99

00:05:51.000 I hate you.

00:05:52.000 Isn't it funny how you can basically wear the same outfit and one person's a six and one person's a 10? 0.94

00:05:56.000 It's like, like, it's really rough.

00:05:58.000 But are you talking about me?

00:06:00.000 I don't, we're not wearing the same outfit.

00:06:02.000 Well, it's just a vast expanse of blue, which is about as much as my eyes can manage.

00:06:07.000 Milo, your mirror at home is playing tricks on you, some layers, maybe some like texture, giving a little color, and the black and white photos as well on Twitter.

00:06:17.000 But they're inspired by you.

00:06:19.000 Well, quite clearly not.

00:06:21.000 They're inspired by you.

00:06:23.000 All my black and white pictures are all an homage to the great Milo.

00:06:27.000 You're my elder seven years.

00:06:29.000 I literally have to pay homage to you.

00:06:32.000 Okay.

00:06:33.000 The word we use is icon, please.

00:06:34.000 Okay, you're my elder icon.

00:06:38.000 Without you, I could have never crawled.

00:06:42.000 New mortals cannot comprehend the honor. 1.00

00:06:44.000 No, you should be vivid.

00:06:46.000 This is Milo.

00:06:47.000 Do you know?

00:06:48.000 Until I got here tonight, I had never seen such a beautiful woman.

00:06:52.000 I've never seen it.

00:06:52.000 Oh, my God.

00:06:53.000 No, no, no.

00:06:54.000 And she came over here.

00:06:56.000 I didn't even know she was in this country.

00:06:57.000 I thought she was in Germany.

00:06:58.000 I escaped.

00:06:58.000 And she said.

00:06:59.000 I applied for asylum.

00:07:00.000 Did you really?

00:07:01.000 Yes, I actually did.

00:07:02.000 Never mind.

00:07:02.000 Are you here?

00:07:03.000 But you're about to compare nodes on your asylum plate.

00:07:09.000 A little bit.

00:07:11.000 No, no, if you've come through the port of entry, you're fine until they make a decision.

00:07:15.000 That's all right.

00:07:16.000 Have you considered just coming through Mexico?

00:07:18.000 Then you're here forever.

00:07:20.000 You've only gotten 10 grand.

00:07:21.000 The funny thing is, I did come from Mexico.

00:07:23.000 The last time I entered the United States was from Mexico because I was allowed to stay in America under my ESTA visa waiver program for three months at a time.

00:07:32.000 And then I got so many death threats from Germany that I decided I couldn't spend Christmas with my family at home last year.

00:07:38.000 So I went to Mexico for like a week, two weeks, and then I was able to come back to America to extend my visa as a waiver.

00:07:45.000 So it kind of resets.

00:07:46.000 So I can't.

00:07:46.000 Oh, so hold on.

00:07:47.000 So you're just teaching us.

00:07:48.000 But then eventually I decided, okay, I need to escape for good because I found out that I'm under surveillance by John.

00:07:55.000 You actually do need to because I have followed you for a long time and I'm very fond of you.

00:07:59.000 And we just met today, but I've seen your Twitter and there's absolutely no way that you will survive in Germany.

00:08:04.000 Like, you know, well, can you say that?

00:08:06.000 Does anybody survive in Germany that has an independent mind?

00:08:10.000 It's a hive mentality. 1.00

00:08:11.000 It's a shit country. 1.00

00:08:12.000 Back in the good old days. 1.00

00:08:13.000 No offense.

00:08:14.000 No, it's terrible.

00:08:15.000 But I'm distressed to learn that you're here and have a boyfriend that's not me.

00:08:18.000 And I didn't even get the option.

00:08:21.000 I'm sorry.

00:08:22.000 You didn't give Milo first right.

00:08:24.000 She doesn't.

00:08:24.000 No, no, it's Prima Nocte.

00:08:26.000 This is the Prima Nocte.

00:08:27.000 Prima Nocte.

00:08:28.000 She says that she's, oh, honor being the same room. 0.99

00:08:31.000 Well, if I'm the king, I get first night with every bitch in the kingdom. 1.00

00:08:34.000 That's called Prima Nocte, medieval Christianity. 0.99

00:08:37.000 So he does braid your hair during that period.

00:08:43.000 So I will braid your hair before, during, and after in case the rest of us are.

00:08:46.000 This is the best introduction explaining who Milo is.

00:08:48.000 George Santos is here.

00:08:50.000 Hi.

00:08:51.000 I'm the younger, less less.

00:08:55.000 Would you lift up your sweater so we can see how many of you there are under there?

00:08:58.000 There's like five of them.

00:08:59.000 You're kind of like, you know, like one of those people on the stilts where you're kind of like, oh, go, that's four people.

00:09:04.000 And I just, I want to know how many of you are there are and why with four of you in there, are you still not funny?

00:09:08.000 I'm just, I'm just going to do this, you know, like the nail emoji. 1.00

00:09:12.000 Like, fuck off. 1.00

00:09:13.000 No, I don't. 1.00

00:09:13.000 But no, no. 1.00

00:09:14.000 I am literally, I mean this wholeheartedly because I love Milo.

00:09:18.000 This, this is a.

00:09:21.000 Okay.

00:09:22.000 We'll do that.

00:09:23.000 I can do this.

00:09:24.000 It's okay. 0.92

00:09:25.000 He's like the gayest person I know and he wants to talk about assault. 1.00

00:09:30.000 So this also is an excellent introduction for George. 0.64

00:09:34.000 We also have Naomi.

00:09:36.000 She's back.

00:09:36.000 Thank you so much for having me again.

00:09:38.000 Quite a shorter and second introduction.

00:09:40.000 Yesterday.

00:09:41.000 Yesterday, while I was in the car with Chris, you were on the phone.

00:09:44.000 Oh, that's when I was saying.

00:09:46.000 Oh, it's okay.

00:09:47.000 You were just complaining.

00:09:48.000 The usual.

00:09:49.000 But this is when I know how usual.

00:09:52.000 She just met you and she knows you're complaining. 0.99

00:09:55.000 You know how hard I work to avoid Tim hearing about all the diva shit I ask your scarf to do? 1.00

00:10:02.000 Oh, shout out to Chris, amazing driver. 0.95

00:10:05.000 Who did not pick me up, even though he knows that he's my favorite, and I was very mad about it.

00:10:09.000 But actually, I was picked up by something called Brian.

00:10:14.000 It's Brian the one who does all the hotel bookings.

00:10:16.000 Yeah.

00:10:17.000 Thank you for the suite, by the way.

00:10:18.000 Very nice.

00:10:19.000 Very thoughtful.

00:10:20.000 Yeah, they didn't book me a sweet, but I got upgraded one anyway.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, that was on purpose.

00:10:23.000 Well, I always get upgraded because I'm ambassadorly.

00:10:26.000 Phil's apparently here.

00:10:27.000 Hello, everybody.

00:10:28.000 My name is Phil Obama.

00:10:29.000 You booked him a suite to piss me off.

00:10:30.000 No.

00:10:31.000 I have nothing to do with this. 0.90

00:10:32.000 Obviously, it's not fucking working, but still. 0.80

00:10:35.000 Obviously, it's not. 0.95

00:10:36.000 Lead singer, the head of the family, all that's left.

00:10:38.000 I'll send you a picture when I get to it.

00:10:40.000 I'm so done with this show.

00:10:41.000 Excuse me, ma'am.

00:10:42.000 You know, I'm going to tell you how done I am with this show.

00:10:45.000 I'm drinking my favorite beverage, which is Ian's here.

00:10:49.000 It's honestly, it's Jerry introducing themselves. 0.99

00:10:52.000 Can you shut the fuck up? 1.00

00:10:54.000 Milo does not care. 1.00

00:10:56.000 I love you, but wait.

00:10:57.000 Wait, your turn.

00:10:59.000 Patience, Milo, is virtue.

00:11:01.000 You got to be Christ-like.

00:11:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:11:03.000 Are you lecturing me on Christianity?

00:11:05.000 Sounds like it.

00:11:06.000 Crystal Kevin.

00:11:08.000 Crystal Kristen.

00:11:09.000 Crystal Kevin.

00:11:10.000 Crystal Kevin has insights from the Krypton Factor, a paranormal realm of fractals.

00:11:15.000 Can we not?

00:11:16.000 Your blood has crystals in it.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, because I've got gout.

00:11:21.000 By the way, I'm happy to be here.

00:11:22.000 Richmond?

00:11:23.000 Ian Cross.

00:11:24.000 I was happy you were here until that.

00:11:25.000 Old Senator's disease.

00:11:27.000 That's what it really is.

00:11:29.000 So anyway, we have news.

00:11:30.000 George, this is not the fruit and cheese box.

00:11:32.000 Yes, it is.

00:11:33.000 No, this is the cheese trio.

00:11:34.000 It's different.

00:11:35.000 Buddy, that's all they have.

00:11:36.000 You're the fruit.

00:11:37.000 And you know what?

00:11:38.000 I just didn't want to witness cannibalism. 1.00

00:11:40.000 Oh, bitch. 1.00

00:11:40.000 I told you. 1.00

00:11:41.000 I did.

00:11:42.000 I didn't want to witness cannibalism. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Oh, bitch. 1.00

00:11:44.000 He's like, I need fruit. 1.00

00:11:45.000 I'm going to eat fruit.

00:11:45.000 I'm like, dude, no, cannibalism is bad.

00:11:48.000 I feel like this is the kind of show that appeals to the non-news audience because it's more entertaining, dramatic.

00:11:54.000 Still got daggers coming out of his eyes at me.

00:11:56.000 We should talk on this show.

00:11:56.000 We should talk.

00:11:57.000 Milo's so serious and talking about real-worldly news.

00:12:00.000 You should see it.

00:12:00.000 Let's kick it off.

00:12:01.000 Sorry, do you want to go toe-to-toe on serious?

00:12:03.000 No.

00:12:04.000 I'm not serious.

00:12:06.000 George Santos is giving me lectures on being serious.

00:12:08.000 Now I really have heard it all.

00:12:10.000 So here's the first story.

00:12:12.000 CNN falsely claims black J6 pipe bomb suspect is a white man.

00:12:18.000 And we actually just thought this would be like the funniest story to lead with because while he was claiming it, the man who looks very much like Steve Urkel was on screen.

00:12:28.000 I'm not making up a joke.

00:12:29.000 I mean, that's literally what everyone's saying.

00:12:30.000 There's memes popping out where they said, did I do that?

00:12:33.000 And Jake Tapper apparently didn't bother to look or do any research before pulling an anchorman and just reading whatever they wrote in his teleprompter.

00:12:42.000 So welcome to America.

00:12:44.000 I hope you find it humorous.

00:12:46.000 Is there any more actual development with the story about the yes, he's not white?

00:12:51.000 Well, there we go.

00:12:52.000 He's not white. 0.51

00:12:53.000 Can anybody remember which one has the MDMA in it?

00:12:56.000 Which bottle addresses the MDMA in it?

00:12:58.000 That's actually none of them because we have no such thing here.

00:13:00.000 You're right.

00:13:01.000 No, none of them do.

00:13:02.000 I'm not obviously.

00:13:03.000 You want a little pick-me-it's the feel, though.

00:13:05.000 But I would just say, don't drink the liquid death.

00:13:09.000 Well, that has probably something much worse in it.

00:13:12.000 When you posted that thing about...

00:13:14.000 I don't even know what we're talking about.

00:13:15.000 What's going on?

00:13:16.000 No, I was just kidding.

00:13:19.000 Holding it up because I was cross with him about Candace.

00:13:22.000 But I saw that thing of where you cut it round and there's like a plastic bag inside.

00:13:26.000 And I know that obviously from boxes of wine at home. 1.00

00:13:31.000 I know that bitch does. 1.00

00:13:33.000 Actually, I've never seen him drink out of a bottle at home. 1.00

00:13:36.000 It's always a box.

00:13:37.000 And the wine that he drinks is just called wine.

00:13:39.000 Who?

00:13:40.000 Me?

00:13:40.000 You.

00:13:42.000 This doesn't just happen, you know.

00:13:43.000 I'm just, you know what?

00:13:45.000 I can't.

00:13:45.000 But let's go back to Jake Tapper.

00:13:47.000 You'll never see him eat.

00:13:48.000 It's the only explanation.

00:13:50.000 No, no, so I was just kidding about the other thing, but this is, when I saw you, let me just say something.

00:13:56.000 Let me get it.

00:13:57.000 Can I get it off my chest?

00:13:58.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 Can we just address it?

00:13:59.000 Can we deal with it?

00:14:00.000 Okay.

00:14:02.000 The guy that went off to Jack Dorsey, Jedi level.

00:14:06.000 The guy that went after this, Jedi level.

00:14:06.000 Jack Dorsey.

00:14:09.000 I haven't loved this week.

00:14:13.000 But I will say that this is like really cancerous and horrible.

00:14:18.000 And the only reason I'm sipping it is because it's cold.

00:14:21.000 But no, none of them have drugs. 0.99

00:14:24.000 You want some Jedi shit right now? 1.00

00:14:25.000 You want some deep force? 1.00

00:14:27.000 From you?

00:14:28.000 I'll come up in about six weeks.

00:14:30.000 I'll see you then.

00:14:31.000 Have you seen with an Ail and I?

00:14:33.000 Say that again?

00:14:33.000 Have you seen with Nail and I, the movie?

00:14:35.000 No.

00:14:35.000 There's that guy that's like, when I dose you, you'll know you've been spiked.

00:14:38.000 Or something like that.

00:14:39.000 I would never accept drugs from you in the nicest possible way because I know them.

00:14:43.000 I can see, like, you know, when you look into someone's eyes and it's a bit glassy and then you just see like eternity, there's just nothing there.

00:14:50.000 And then if you sort of get a microscope and like, oh, that's what a fractal is.

00:14:53.000 Like, that's not the guy to take drugs from because you don't recover from it.

00:14:56.000 Right.

00:14:57.000 You have to trust yourself. 0.90

00:14:58.000 Whatever you would give anyone would like one shot any mortal.

00:15:01.000 It's unless they're already like the mushrooms are like there's probably four of these mushrooms in existence and they're all in his loft.

00:15:07.000 You know the term and you don't want to touch it.

00:15:10.000 You don't even want to lick it.

00:15:11.000 You don't want to be in the same room as it.

00:15:12.000 You just be in the same room and think you're meeting Margaret Thatcher, you know?

00:15:15.000 You're projecting.

00:15:15.000 Like, no.

00:15:16.000 You wouldn't want to be, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't.

00:15:18.000 There are lots of people that would want to be right up there next to me, just staying warm.

00:15:22.000 But my question to you is staying warm.

00:15:25.000 The word drug comes from the term dried herb.

00:15:27.000 It was a French word that means dried herb.

00:15:29.000 Just a basic, because there's so many plants that all, yeah.

00:15:32.000 Are you trying to rehabilitate the reputation of all the things that you take that you should?

00:15:35.000 You didn't need to know that.

00:15:36.000 Drugs in general, yeah.

00:15:37.000 It's going to be there forever.

00:15:38.000 Are you familiar with that concept?

00:15:40.000 So you know, like some things can be like important but not urgent.

00:15:40.000 Are you familiar?

00:15:43.000 Are you familiar with the concept of sort of like connected but not relevant?

00:15:47.000 Yeah.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 That pretty much describes Ian.

00:15:52.000 But that's what happens, you see, because the...

00:15:54.000 So what do you want to talk about, Mike?

00:15:55.000 The problem is connective.

00:15:56.000 The connected bit of your brain still works, so you can still shoot off and make links between things. 0.99

00:16:01.000 But the critical thinking, the higher executive brain functions are just fucking gone. 0.96

00:16:05.000 The problem, Milo, is if you become too relevant, you become a target. 0.98

00:16:08.000 I wasn't talking about influencers, babe.

00:16:11.000 I was talking about your ability to think critically.

00:16:13.000 To seem irrelevant.

00:16:14.000 It's clearly destroyed.

00:16:16.000 Well, the weed has lowered my intelligence, but raised my wisdom for sure.

00:16:21.000 Oh, I don't want to be too familiar with you.

00:16:23.000 I know that you think that, but actually, and in fact, it is the worst drug on the planet.

00:16:27.000 It is the worst, worst, worst thing in the world because it saps people slowly and insidiously of their energy, their enthusiasm, their desire to achieve their motivation, their general level.

00:16:43.000 I think anything, any drugs.

00:16:44.000 We've flown to the other side.

00:16:45.000 No, no, no, on different subjects on the other side.

00:16:46.000 On weed, you have no perception of what's happening.

00:16:49.000 And in fact, most people think the opposite is happening, and it's not.

00:16:51.000 Okay, real quick.

00:16:53.000 I take Vivance.

00:16:54.000 I am so ADD and I can't keep up right now.

00:16:57.000 Understand.

00:16:58.000 But like, Vyvance is like, I was not ready for this conversation.

00:17:02.000 No one shocked you.

00:17:03.000 Are triggering the worst side of him?

00:17:05.000 Stop.

00:17:06.000 I know it's the automatic.

00:17:07.000 I mean, you've not been able to keep up.

00:17:08.000 Let's talk about it.

00:17:09.000 Milo.

00:17:10.000 Milo, tell me about your day.

00:17:11.000 What do you want to talk about?

00:17:12.000 See, that was shady.

00:17:13.000 That was shady.

00:17:14.000 What do you mean?

00:17:14.000 That was shady and I love you, but that was shady.

00:17:16.000 Why was that shady?

00:17:17.000 It was kind of like, okay, if you're going to do this again, then I'll just do the show.

00:17:20.000 You know it was shady.

00:17:21.000 You know it was shady.

00:17:22.000 That's an insult to my intelligence.

00:17:24.000 i'd like to talk about george so you of course have seen so cheese is really Oh, God, I don't know which one is.

00:17:34.000 That's not water.

00:17:35.000 Selection paralyzation?

00:17:37.000 No, but it's better than...

00:17:38.000 Never mind.

00:17:39.000 Um...

00:17:40.000 George, we have a lot in common, at least at the surface.

00:17:45.000 Of course, yeah.

00:17:46.000 And I do have a great affection for you.

00:17:48.000 I think you've got you.

00:17:49.000 You're wonderful.

00:17:51.000 And if I ever do need to, you know, block out the sun, you are the first person I would call.

00:17:56.000 But.

00:17:56.000 You just call me a walking eclipse.

00:17:59.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:18:00.000 Total eclipse. 1.00

00:18:02.000 But there's a lovely ad.

00:18:05.000 I think it's for chocolate.

00:18:05.000 And she goes, full moon, half moon.

00:18:07.000 Total eclipse.

00:18:09.000 So we have some differences.

00:18:11.000 And something that surprises me about us is you're quite a centrist in many ways, aren't you?

00:18:15.000 So I know that you're kind of moving away from politics anyway.

00:18:18.000 I'm practical.

00:18:18.000 Because it was bad for you.

00:18:20.000 Put me in prison.

00:18:22.000 I think it's fair to say it was bad for you and bad to you.

00:18:24.000 I think it's reasonable to say that.

00:18:26.000 But you're quite a centrist, which you would never expect.

00:18:28.000 Do you often get people sort of thinking, oh, so you're not like a Fuentes guy?

00:18:32.000 You're not like a dissident, whatever.

00:18:34.000 Because you have that kind of personality ordinarily that would cleave to the margins, right?

00:18:39.000 Because we're used to gays being, you know, the edges of the matter. 1.00

00:18:41.000 But you're just like incredibly fucking boring. 1.00

00:18:43.000 Why is that? 1.00

00:18:45.000 Wow. 0.99

00:18:46.000 Incredibly fucking boring. 0.99

00:18:48.000 It's not that I'm boring. 0.99

00:18:49.000 I'm just practical.

00:18:50.000 I mean, I don't subscribe to the left or the right all the way, you know, where they're meeting in the back with one another.

00:18:58.000 So I'm just practical.

00:18:59.000 I think you've been a true.

00:19:03.000 My point is, I think I can be Candace Owens and go batshit crazy.

00:19:08.000 I can be.

00:19:09.000 No, I'm not.

00:19:09.000 No, no, let me.

00:19:10.000 I'm not going to.

00:19:12.000 Let me just, let me finish my line of thought.

00:19:14.000 I can be Candace Owens.

00:19:15.000 Troy, think of Troy. 0.99

00:19:16.000 I can be Candace Owens and go bat shit crazy. 0.99

00:19:18.000 I can be Nick Fuentes and be the most despicable human being on earth. 1.00

00:19:22.000 Okay, we agree on that one. 0.95

00:19:23.000 Okay.

00:19:24.000 And then I can, there's so many other people, but I'd rather just not have to do that.

00:19:27.000 Not your Twitter accounts have been quite.

00:19:29.000 I mean, did I notice on the way here one of your Twitter accounts?

00:19:32.000 Maybe not yours personally, but it was like according to Nick Fuentes or per Nick Fuentes' commentary.

00:19:37.000 That was quite disturbing.

00:19:38.000 From us?

00:19:38.000 Have you changed?

00:19:39.000 Have you changed your view on him?

00:19:39.000 Yeah.

00:19:40.000 Because it's quite, I mean, as a show, you're getting a little, it's, that was surprising to me that you're kind of getting like anti-Cantus pro Fuentis.

00:19:49.000 That was unusual.

00:19:50.000 I don't know that way.

00:19:51.000 I don't think I tweet anything like that.

00:19:53.000 Not you, but one of those.

00:19:54.000 Like the news account or something?

00:19:55.000 Yeah.

00:19:56.000 That's a podcast.

00:19:57.000 It's a news account and it's per Nick Fuentes.

00:19:58.000 I mean, that's a.

00:19:59.000 No, but it was like an argumentative.

00:20:03.000 I mean, look, a broken clock's right twice a day.

00:20:05.000 I mean, even the most vile clocks.

00:20:07.000 and clocks in his case the l is silent because he's got a lilliputian fish hook which i've never if you How many people get that reference?

00:20:16.000 Well, so Brock.

00:20:17.000 No one in Candace's audience, I'd imagine.

00:20:21.000 You know, she has a book club, do you?

00:20:25.000 No, I'm just saying.

00:20:25.000 I'm not trying to, like, I really don't want to do this with you because I love you so much.

00:20:29.000 Oh, wait, wait, what's the problem with not having a book club? 1.00

00:20:32.000 Because he's implying she's like stupid and ignorant, and her audience is stupid and ignorant. 1.00

00:20:35.000 No, that's not what he was implying. 1.00

00:20:37.000 He was implying it's their Gen Z.

00:20:38.000 No, but like, does her, well, that's all I'm saying.

00:20:40.000 I think you missed a mark.

00:20:41.000 She's just wrong.

00:20:42.000 To be fair, he's been extremely complimentary about her intelligence.

00:20:45.000 I was giving.

00:20:45.000 She's very intelligent.

00:20:46.000 She's just applying it, and I was completely wrong with that.

00:20:48.000 I don't have any benefit of the doubt that he would know what her audience demographics are because they're not that. 1.00

00:20:52.000 No, I was saying her audience is stupid. 1.00

00:20:53.000 Yes, I know. 1.00

00:20:54.000 But if their audience was stupid, why would she have like a riotously successful book club about reading where people pay to read books alongside her? 0.99

00:21:01.000 What kind of people are in the book club? 1.00

00:21:03.000 And it's about, well, I don't know.

00:21:04.000 Okay.

00:21:05.000 That's a real question, by the way.

00:21:06.000 That's a real question.

00:21:07.000 I don't know.

00:21:08.000 Well, the people who buy books are typically women. 1.00

00:21:10.000 Yes.

00:21:11.000 But about her audience.

00:21:13.000 And I've never met a woman that was smarter than I know.

00:21:16.000 Let me phrase it this way.

00:21:17.000 All of them.

00:21:18.000 Let me phrase it this way.

00:21:22.000 Candace's audience, I don't think it would shock anybody to learn, and this is me speculation, it's not insider knowledge, but I know that I'm right.

00:21:28.000 Is skewing more female over time because of the way she tells stories and the subjects that she's interested in are sensational?

00:21:36.000 Fake stuff.

00:21:37.000 Okay, sensational.

00:21:38.000 She's extremely sensational without any backing, without any proof.

00:21:41.000 I don't think it's opinions.

00:21:42.000 It's just me search, no real research.

00:21:44.000 I don't think it's disrespectful to say.

00:21:45.000 And I don't dislike Candace, by the way.

00:21:47.000 And people are going to attack me for saying that. 1.00

00:21:48.000 Oh, George Jesus, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:21:50.000 But that doesn't justify that what she's doing is crazy. 1.00

00:21:50.000 You went to prison. 1.00

00:21:54.000 I'm actually.

00:21:55.000 I think she's very intelligent and she's using her intelligence. 0.65

00:21:58.000 I'm of the view that somebody with your background is best placed to talk about whether somebody is being dishonest in public, actually.

00:22:04.000 So I'm not discounting you for that.

00:22:06.000 I think she's increasingly dishonest.

00:22:08.000 But I'm speculating here.

00:22:12.000 I don't have insider knowledge, but I know that I'm right about this.

00:22:15.000 Her audience is being diskew female. 1.00

00:22:16.000 You don't know that you're right.

00:22:18.000 I know that.

00:22:18.000 Her audience does skew females.

00:22:20.000 So is mine.

00:22:20.000 Very female coach.

00:22:21.000 But it's not, but it's.

00:22:23.000 Like 63% of my audience on X alone is all women.

00:22:26.000 Having done two episodes with her and kind of, you know, he will know that you can, there are signs and signals that you can kind of intuit and be mostly on the money from outside.

00:22:35.000 And you'd not be too far off if you've done something like this before.

00:22:38.000 So women typically buy books. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Men don't really read. 0.96

00:22:42.000 Men buy books.

00:22:43.000 So I sold an enormous volume of books in 2017.

00:22:47.000 Milo, right?

00:22:48.000 And four-fifths of them were to women.

00:22:50.000 And many of those purchases were going to the Suns or going to the Suns afterwards.

00:22:54.000 But four-fifths of them were to women.

00:22:56.000 And it wasn't to girls with Nazi boyfriends.

00:22:58.000 It was to, let's say, marga moms or like older, older, or mid-midlife.

00:23:03.000 So I don't think it's disrespectful to say about Candace Owens that there's a true crime dimension to the flavor, the style that she does things, right? 0.98

00:23:11.000 Yes.

00:23:11.000 And women, and I don't know.

00:23:13.000 I don't know if you know this because you're right.

00:23:13.000 I love it.

00:23:15.000 That doesn't make what she's saying.

00:23:16.000 I don't know if you've ever met a woman.

00:23:16.000 You don't know this guy.

00:23:18.000 I was married to a woman before you even thought it was pretending to be straight.

00:23:24.000 Forgive me for having questions about what you claimed before you went away.

00:23:27.000 So I just think that if you know women, you understand that they are like obsessive serial killers and true crime. 1.00

00:23:34.000 Those are the big things.

00:23:35.000 Soap opera drama where she talks about how she colors.

00:23:38.000 Stop it.

00:23:38.000 That's exactly how Lee said her podcast.

00:23:40.000 Harley said I'm a time traveler.

00:23:42.000 Every episode that you soap operates.

00:23:45.000 But it is ludicrous in the extreme to say that when she says, Charlie said, I'm a time traveler, you know, and she knows, and I know, and you know, that that's a metaphor.

00:23:54.000 Of course.

00:23:55.000 So what's weird about it?

00:23:55.000 Right.

00:23:57.000 Nothing.

00:23:58.000 The point that I made is that.

00:23:59.000 He's saying she's insightful and perceptive, and she seems to tell what's coming.

00:24:04.000 Because especially for a woman, and I'll answer.

00:24:07.000 Especially for a woman, she has a great pattern-matching brain. 1.00

00:24:10.000 So I'll answer this.

00:24:12.000 When I brought that up, my point is she is doing a soap opera where she is triggering the emotions of women. 1.00

00:24:18.000 It's female-coded. 0.93

00:24:19.000 I didn't say it was wrong.

00:24:20.000 I didn't say it was morally wrong.

00:24:22.000 I said this is a show for women. 1.00

00:24:25.000 You absolutely have said it.

00:24:27.000 No, Milo absolutely have said that she's correct.

00:24:30.000 Her behavior is morally wrong. 0.73

00:24:31.000 What I have said is that's obviously the impression you've left, but you've said that she's specific about how she is telling people to pull their funding from turning point.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 And she's destroying the coalition.

00:24:43.000 Democrats are going to win in the midterms because of what she says.

00:24:46.000 Who cares?

00:24:47.000 And she said, no, I care.

00:24:49.000 Is anybody in this room still on Team Epstein?

00:24:51.000 Because I'm not.

00:24:53.000 Wait.

00:24:53.000 I don't think they're.

00:24:54.000 Sorry, I am terribly sorry.

00:24:55.000 I am not on Team Epstein.

00:24:56.000 I don't give it.

00:24:57.000 But my Republican congressman isn't Trump.

00:25:00.000 It's the midterms.

00:25:01.000 It's not Trump.

00:25:02.000 How does your local Republican congressman affect your life?

00:25:04.000 He doesn't.

00:25:05.000 He does.

00:25:06.000 I actually would prefer it not if the Democrats win the midterms and then start committees and then start arresting media personalities and doing an impeaching.

00:25:16.000 We knew that when we elected the guy.

00:25:17.000 We knew that was coming.

00:25:18.000 It's either coming now or it's coming in two years or it's coming in four years.

00:25:20.000 I mean, what's your point?

00:25:21.000 It doesn't have to come.

00:25:22.000 Oh, just not now.

00:25:23.000 No, it doesn't have to come if we stop the self-inflicted.

00:25:26.000 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:25:27.000 No, there's no, these are self-inflicted.

00:25:28.000 You're absolutely right.

00:25:29.000 There'll never be another Democrat president, so that's not.

00:25:31.000 No, I'm not saying that, Milo.

00:25:32.000 I'm not saying that.

00:25:33.000 That was baked in when we don't have to forego the entirety of Congress to the Democrats only so that they can spend the next two years after the midterm.

00:25:45.000 Because they're so effective and useful, and they're doing all these great things for America.

00:25:49.000 And then, I mean, really, really not.

00:25:52.000 They're not.

00:25:52.000 Trust me, I was one of them.

00:25:53.000 If you look at the greatest disrespect because I like you personally, but you're the kind of person that gets elected to Congress.

00:26:00.000 Like, stop it.

00:26:01.000 Like, stop pretending these are people that we need.

00:26:03.000 I think you managed to.

00:26:04.000 But I'm the first one to say that.

00:26:06.000 And that's why you're on a path to redemption that has saved you.

00:26:09.000 And that means that I'm the first one to say that it means that I want to be a friend.

00:26:13.000 And now Marjorie has joined you in that very bravely, I think.

00:26:15.000 I think it's a great shame, but I get it.

00:26:17.000 It's a great loss in my opinion.

00:26:18.000 It's a loss, and I get it.

00:26:19.000 But prior to you two, I mean, you could get elected just inventing a story about yourself, a backstory about yourself that nobody even bothers checking.

00:26:27.000 If they do, the voters don't care.

00:26:28.000 That's what Congress is.

00:26:30.000 That's why it works with Candace Allen's stories because she's just fabricating stories and it works. 1.00

00:26:34.000 Not you.

00:26:34.000 Not you as well.

00:26:35.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:36.000 It's just that in the episode.

00:26:38.000 Et to Naomi.

00:26:39.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:40.000 In the beginning, I would have totally defended her and asked her questions.

00:26:42.000 But at this point, I feel like she's attacking the family of Charlie Carter.

00:26:45.000 It's like attacking this entire election.

00:26:46.000 I'm sorry, like, every opportunity that comes up every year, I just desperately beg for a reason to go live in a van down by the river.

00:26:54.000 I'm getting inundated with messages from prominent conservative personalities thanking me for calling her out, but are too scared.

00:26:59.000 They're being paid.

00:27:00.000 They're too scared to say to post it.

00:27:02.000 They're not.

00:27:03.000 No, no, they're private.

00:27:04.000 They're scared.

00:27:05.000 They're being paid.

00:27:06.000 People are privately messaging me.

00:27:08.000 Sorry, are you saying that people are never paid to stay quiet?

00:27:11.000 You think people are being paid to stay quiet?

00:27:12.000 Yes, because of course they are.

00:27:14.000 Because I mean, there are all kinds of reasons why you want someone to do it.

00:27:17.000 You think Candace is paying them off? 0.87

00:27:19.000 I mean, the other side.

00:27:19.000 No, I don't mean Candace.

00:27:20.000 If you know somebody's going to be counterproductive to your mission, you pay them to shut up.

00:27:23.000 Everybody's paying conservatives.

00:27:24.000 Everybody who has run a school board election knows that.

00:27:27.000 Because some people are paying conservatives out to stop.

00:27:30.000 No, I'm talking about conservatives or people at Turning Point.

00:27:33.000 So anybody who's won a school board election knows that there are certain people whose endorsement is damaging.

00:27:38.000 So explain what's going on.

00:27:42.000 There's conservatives who are thanking me for calling out Candace who won't do it themselves.

00:27:45.000 Someone's paying them?

00:27:47.000 I'm not saying all of them, but in many cases, in many cases.

00:27:51.000 I mean, sincerely, who do you think is who would be paying them?

00:27:54.000 Okay.

00:27:55.000 Milo, who's paying them?

00:27:56.000 Put it this way.

00:27:58.000 You're spinning.

00:27:58.000 No, you're spitting.

00:27:59.000 No, I'm going to give an arm.

00:28:00.000 You're going to give an armor.

00:28:02.000 I think entities associated with or possibly directly probably turning point.

00:28:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:08.000 Because they are losing the war against Candace.

00:28:09.000 They're losing.

00:28:10.000 So why would they pay people to not?

00:28:13.000 That's what Turning Point does.

00:28:14.000 That's what it is.

00:28:16.000 Hold on.

00:28:16.000 That's what it is.

00:28:17.000 Okay, okay, wait, hold on.

00:28:18.000 Wouldn't Turning Point pay people to call out Candace?

00:28:21.000 No, no, because if you know that a particular person is going to be counterproductive, listen, when Nick Fuentes wanted to damage Trump in the last election, I said there's only one way you can damage Trump.

00:28:30.000 Endorse him.

00:28:31.000 It's the only way you can damage him, right?

00:28:33.000 When you know that somebody's endorsement is counterproductive to your cause, of course you might pay them to shut up.

00:28:38.000 And it happens all the time.

00:28:39.000 I've done it.

00:28:40.000 I've done it in congressional campaigns.

00:28:41.000 I've done it in two national congress.

00:28:43.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:28:44.000 So prominent conservative personalities are paid to shut up, but these are mainstream, normal prominent people.

00:28:50.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:28:51.000 Look, to this point.

00:28:53.000 I'll mention this.

00:28:53.000 I'll give a shout out to House in Habit, who shouted me out too.

00:28:57.000 But I don't want to call out anyone by name who's quietly saying, I'm not going to say anything. 0.92

00:29:01.000 House in Habit, who, by the way, I'm catching strays from this crazy old bitch now as well, who's just very personal, very physical comments. 1.00

00:29:10.000 I can look at crazy interviews right now because I have a lot of health problems, which causes various things. 1.00

00:29:16.000 But she's a nasty, vindictive, personal bitch. 1.00

00:29:20.000 Or at least let me rephrase that and say that her behavior has been that lately. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Who is this person that's talking about?

00:29:26.000 I mean, she's like, she's about 60,000, 70,000 follower kind of like on the up and up, right?

00:29:26.000 She's kind of emerging.

00:29:30.000 But isn't that interesting in itself?

00:29:32.000 What was her blog about?

00:29:33.000 What was her blog about?

00:29:35.000 It's like women's gossip drama stuff, isn't it? 1.00

00:29:41.000 Not the kind of person that you would expect to...

00:29:44.000 Anyway, my point is this.

00:29:46.000 I've done it in two congressional campaigns.

00:29:48.000 There are people who you just don't want to endorse your candidate.

00:29:51.000 Look, there's truth to that.

00:29:52.000 Because it's counterproductive.

00:29:53.000 There's truth to that.

00:29:54.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:29:55.000 Look, you know that.

00:29:57.000 I know because I've been asked to pay out a race. 0.97

00:30:00.000 You guys not to talk.

00:30:01.000 Yes, and that's very true.

00:30:04.000 I have a question.

00:30:05.000 I'm not accusing you to have anything.

00:30:06.000 I have to talk.

00:30:07.000 I've never been paid.

00:30:07.000 I wish I was.

00:30:09.000 I have a question.

00:30:12.000 It's mink.

00:30:13.000 What is what you're wearing?

00:30:14.000 It's mink.

00:30:15.000 Oh, the hat.

00:30:17.000 So right now, I'm looking at two things.

00:30:18.000 All right.

00:30:19.000 Whatever.

00:30:21.000 Let's step outside of the Candace thing a little bit and be a little bit more broad.

00:30:25.000 I have an opinion that the political fight we are in, we are facing defeat.

00:30:32.000 We won everything in the midterms.

00:30:35.000 No, we won everything.

00:30:36.000 Yes, and we're about to lose everything.

00:30:37.000 And we've got—OK, hold on.

00:30:38.000 Let me just get through this, right?

00:30:39.000 Because we're looking at retirements.

00:30:41.000 It's been a decade of winning.

00:30:43.000 So the midterms are coming up, and Trump has got several marginal victories.

00:30:50.000 Some of these things are not getting through, but let me just – I see prominent conservatives – Prominent conservative personalities are refusing to speak out for what they claim they believe.

00:30:59.000 They're thanking me for speaking out.

00:31:00.000 But you're sticking up for these guys when I'm saying is that they're normal political operatives. 0.97

00:31:05.000 You're saying that they're spineless cowards. 0.97

00:31:07.000 Indeed. 1.00

00:31:08.000 Well, then they're even worse people.

00:31:08.000 Right.

00:31:10.000 So the question for me.

00:31:12.000 The question for me is.

00:31:13.000 The Brandon Tatum who keeps saying, I'm not getting paid by Israel. 1.00

00:31:16.000 Well, then you're an idiot. 1.00

00:31:18.000 I never got paid by Israel either. 1.00

00:31:20.000 My question is, Mila, what is my reason for being involved in any of this at all?

00:31:25.000 Honest question.

00:31:26.000 Because this is what you do for a living.

00:31:27.000 And because where the center of gravity is, ideologically, and commercially too, it affects your business, affects your life, affects your children, affects your wife, affects everything about you.

00:31:36.000 Why wouldn't you be interested to be weird if you weren't?

00:31:38.000 No, no, no. 0.92

00:31:39.000 Silly question. 0.50

00:31:39.000 Why would I be? 0.50

00:31:40.000 Why should I be this person?

00:31:42.000 Why don't I?

00:31:42.000 Why do you have the opinions you have?

00:31:43.000 Why do you have the positions?

00:31:43.000 No, How about I just go work behind the scenes at a PAC or a media company and just.

00:31:48.000 Because the function you're performing is valuable and, in fact, in my view, essential.

00:31:52.000 Because this is one of the shows that has such a broad guest base, almost utterly unique in media.

00:32:00.000 The only thing that really comes close is real time, and they have that because of the HBO prestige, Glitz Glam, and everything.

00:32:06.000 And they can get, although a lot of conservatives won't go on it.

00:32:10.000 They do come here, though.

00:32:11.000 You have maybe the widest, most varied and most interesting and distinctive guest base in all of politics.

00:32:19.000 Of course it's in your interest to – I'm not saying you're doing this, by the way, because I wouldn't accuse you of that because I don't believe that.

00:32:25.000 I don't think you're that kind of person.

00:32:26.000 But it would be in your interest to be anti-Candice.

00:32:29.000 I don't think so.

00:32:30.000 Actually, I think it's in everyone's commercial.

00:32:32.000 It's in everyone's commercial interest to be anti-Candice because everybody else is Candid going up.

00:32:35.000 It's that simple.

00:32:36.000 I don't think so.

00:32:37.000 I think it's, you're wrong because the base seems to be siding with Candace.

00:32:40.000 So counterparts.

00:32:42.000 I actually think criticizing Candace has hurt our viewership. 0.82

00:32:44.000 That's my point.

00:32:45.000 I actually got cancellations on orders.

00:32:48.000 My morning show subscribers have gone down.

00:32:51.000 I've lost 3,000 followers on X.

00:32:54.000 I hate it.

00:32:55.000 Did you join the winning side?

00:32:56.000 No, I'd rather just go live in a van down by the river.

00:33:00.000 It's like, if I don't win, I'm out of here.

00:33:00.000 Isn't that bad, though?

00:33:02.000 I'm out of this.

00:33:03.000 No, no, no, no.

00:33:03.000 It's more like...

00:33:04.000 Come on, come on. 0.99

00:33:05.000 It's...

00:33:06.000 I think what he's trying to tell you is not willing to sacrifice his principle.

00:33:09.000 It doesn't sound like anything.

00:33:11.000 No, seriously, just listen to what he's saying.

00:33:13.000 I'm listening to what he's saying, and it sounds like he's being affected by these cows he's talking to.

00:33:19.000 And he's thinking his guns.

00:33:20.000 I think that's actually.

00:33:21.000 You're not that, but there's a big picture.

00:33:23.000 And the big picture is this.

00:33:26.000 There is a loose coalition on the right of various ideologies that came together because there was a unified, there was an enemy in wokeness, in insanity that was destructive.

00:33:36.000 It's largely been routed.

00:33:38.000 The right's not ripping each other apart.

00:33:41.000 And don't you think it's necessary if what Trump has been doing in the White House?

00:33:46.000 The fact that he is once again the president of Jerusalem and not the president of the United States.

00:33:51.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:33:52.000 He is once again, I don't want to hear this from you.

00:33:55.000 That he is once again releasing Jewish fraudsters who ripped off poor people and specifically in the executive orders saying they don't have to pay the fines back, so they don't have to pay back their victims. 0.85

00:34:09.000 I'm not a fan of that.

00:34:10.000 But I'm saying, isn't it maybe a good thing that when it doesn't matter so much in a midterm versus when it matters a lot in a presidential election, that the right gets its work together?

00:34:21.000 And that people have the opportunity to say, maybe some of it was Candace, but maybe most of it was Trump, the fact that the midterms were in underperformance and have the opportunity to say some of it, because some of it is, is what Donald Trump is doing.

00:34:34.000 I completely agree.

00:34:35.000 I disagree.

00:34:36.000 I agree that Donald Trump is dropping the ball.

00:34:39.000 Yes.

00:34:39.000 When Donald Trump said, if you are, and I think I know why this is, because I think that Trump was probably a confidential informant against Jeffrey Epstein back in the day.

00:34:47.000 I agree with that.

00:34:48.000 I think he probably helped the FBI take Epstein down the first time.

00:34:52.000 That's the only explanation I can see.

00:34:54.000 Based on what?

00:34:56.000 Mike Johnson said it.

00:34:58.000 Mike Johnson said.

00:34:59.000 What did Mike Johnson say?

00:35:00.000 I missed?

00:35:00.000 What did Mike Johnson say?

00:35:01.000 And then he walked it back the next day saying, oh, I misspoke.

00:35:04.000 I couldn't hear a word.

00:35:06.000 What?

00:35:06.000 Mike Johnson was asked a question at a press gaggle, and he said something to the effect of, you know, that's why Donald Trump kicked Epstein out of his club.

00:35:15.000 That's why he was annoyed.

00:35:16.000 An informant to the FBI.

00:35:17.000 No, no, he's explicit.

00:35:17.000 He said Trump was an informant.

00:35:18.000 That's why I said he was an informant to the FBI.

00:35:18.000 I know.

00:35:20.000 Forgive me, sorry.

00:35:21.000 He was saying this chain of thought.

00:35:23.000 Oh, I missed that.

00:35:23.000 And everyone went, holy shh.

00:35:25.000 And then he rolled it back.

00:35:26.000 And the next day he said, no, no, I didn't mean it.

00:35:27.000 I misspoke.

00:35:28.000 But in addition to that, and I think more importantly and more persuasively, because people do misspeak all the time, some of the awkwardness.

00:35:34.000 Not Mike Johnson.

00:35:35.000 Sorry?

00:35:36.000 Not Mike Johnson.

00:35:37.000 It's very intentional.

00:35:38.000 I know the man fairly well.

00:35:39.000 So maybe it is more powerful than I think.

00:35:42.000 But when Trump seized up in panic, because that's what happened over the subject of Epstein.

00:35:51.000 No, he didn't.

00:35:51.000 There's a limited number of explanations for that.

00:35:53.000 Where he kept making very, very obvious missteps designed to piss off everyone who loves him most, like Marjorie, like me.

00:36:00.000 Everybody loves him most.

00:36:01.000 People who, and I'm not saying that I put him in office twice, but I did want to do the first time.

00:36:05.000 I was a big component in the first time.

00:36:05.000 I did help.

00:36:08.000 But a lot of people who put him in office were like, what?

00:36:10.000 Because Jeffrey Epstein, as Bannon has said, and who would know better than him, it turns out.

00:36:17.000 Oh, you're going to quote Bannon who consulted.

00:36:19.000 I just said who would know better than him as a tourist officer.

00:36:21.000 Okay, I just want to make that very clear for everybody listening.

00:36:23.000 I just said who would know better, as it turns out.

00:36:25.000 He said that Epstein was the key that picks the lock, right?

00:36:29.000 Of all of the kinds of things that people are asking, like, what is going on here?

00:36:33.000 Why is this like this?

00:36:36.000 Epstein was one of the central ideological planks of margot teleology.

00:36:40.000 Like, why does the world work like it does?

00:36:42.000 Why do things look weird?

00:36:44.000 Why do those people keep getting away with it and those people keep not getting away with it?

00:36:48.000 Jeffrey Epstein was considered by everybody who voted for Donald Trump as a central pillar of understanding that we would unlock and it would be like a code where bits of the universe would get like decoded for us.

00:36:57.000 Like, oh my goodness, it's because of that judge.

00:36:59.000 It's because of that.

00:37:00.000 And there isn't one person who voted for Donald Trump who did not want and did not expect the Epstein files to be released immediately.

00:37:00.000 Everybody had that expectation.

00:37:06.000 I did not have that expectation.

00:37:08.000 They found everyone except George.

00:37:08.000 I did not vote for it.

00:37:10.000 No, that's not true.

00:37:11.000 There's so many people for many other reasons.

00:37:14.000 And went, stop it, stop it.

00:37:15.000 You think that puts food on the table?

00:37:15.000 Grow up.

00:37:17.000 Grow up.

00:37:18.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:37:19.000 Oh, it's about egg prices.

00:37:20.000 Stop it.

00:37:20.000 Come on.

00:37:21.000 Part of the reason that Trump was elected in 2016 was that Hillary Clinton was emblematic of the way that the world was going wrong. 0.99

00:37:27.000 The secret elite collusion, Epstein, it was all linked.

00:37:31.000 And people voted for him the first time and people have voted for him every time since.

00:37:35.000 You can't find me someone apart from George, apparently, who did not want to see the Epstein files.

00:37:39.000 Let me ask you.

00:37:39.000 And I promise I'll wrap up and let someone else go.

00:37:43.000 But when he said there's no Epstein files, and then the Democrats made it up.

00:37:51.000 And then stop asking.

00:37:52.000 And then if you're asking, you're not a fan of mine.

00:37:54.000 And then, if you're asking, I don't want you.

00:37:56.000 I agree with all of this.

00:37:57.000 That is the moment Trumpism died.

00:38:00.000 I agree.

00:38:00.000 And don't we need a reckoning?

00:38:02.000 And if that reckoning comes through the obviously, promise I'm nearly done, the obviously inadequate account from the feds and Turning Point about what happened around, before, and after Charlie Kirk's death, where his ride or die homegirl is asking questions that have exposed some inconsistencies and some questions and which seem to point to a different etiology for the crime than the one that we're being told.

00:38:25.000 And when everybody from Turning Point looks so sinister, suspicious, and guilty all the time.

00:38:31.000 And they're losing to her.

00:38:32.000 Respect the public on that at least.

00:38:34.000 They're losing to her.

00:38:35.000 And they have every reason to be winning.

00:38:37.000 So she has every reason to be losing.

00:38:39.000 Isn't it smart for us to have that reckoning in the Republican Party right now?

00:38:43.000 So, right.

00:38:44.000 So let me ask you.

00:38:45.000 You said you praised me for the Jack Dorsey thing that I did when I sat down with Jack Dorsey on Rogan.

00:38:53.000 What do you view my motivation as for sitting down and challenging them on these things?

00:38:58.000 I think that you are a man of good character.

00:39:01.000 And I think that you are compelled.

00:39:03.000 I see in your journalism, I've seen it when you were out and about more when we first met, like back in the day.

00:39:08.000 And I see it now in here.

00:39:10.000 I see.

00:39:12.000 I'm going to blow smoke up.

00:39:13.000 There's a reason I like you.

00:39:14.000 I mean, you've been very good to me, but there's also other reasons I like you.

00:39:18.000 I think that you are.

00:39:20.000 I think that you are seized by injustice sometimes and you just like get and you get visibly angry about people who tell lies or who are hypocritical or withhold information from the public that's critical.

00:39:31.000 I don't believe you got it right in the case of Candace.

00:39:33.000 My friend, I don't.

00:39:34.000 But that clear and ferocious motivation you have, you may have others.

00:39:40.000 Maybe that wasn't the right answer, but it's definitely answered.

00:39:43.000 I respect that answer.

00:39:45.000 I think it's your primary motivation.

00:39:47.000 And that primary motivation marks you out as a man of good character.

00:39:50.000 I just think you got it wrong on this one thing.

00:39:51.000 Is that okay?

00:39:52.000 Sure.

00:39:53.000 And so I'll give you my thoughts.

00:39:56.000 I feel like my principal motivation for everything is not even political.

00:39:59.000 It is what is true and what is not.

00:40:01.000 Yeah.

00:40:01.000 I believe you.

00:40:02.000 I absolutely believe that.

00:40:03.000 The liquid death thing was he lied about plastic.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:06.000 He did.

00:40:07.000 And when you cut this thing open, it's because I didn't get to say it earlier because I was talking too much, which I still am.

00:40:12.000 With plastic.

00:40:12.000 When you cut this thing open, it's a plastic bag.

00:40:15.000 And it says death of plastic on it.

00:40:17.000 And not just that, but they said that profits go to help kill plastic pollution.

00:40:20.000 That's interesting lawyered wording that wasn't on the cans originally, isn't it?

00:40:24.000 Like, stop, stop.

00:40:26.000 So the issue that I see.

00:40:28.000 That's why you should drink pool water.

00:40:30.000 Pool water is 100% artesian water.

00:40:31.000 I don't know what artesian is, but it's on a lot of expensive stuff, so you should buy this.

00:40:36.000 So Candace tweeted out that you should not donate to this godforsaken organization.

00:40:42.000 They've got 5,000 people in the bank.

00:40:44.000 They've got 5,000 million in the bank.

00:40:45.000 They don't need any more money.

00:40:46.000 Especially not to lie to Americans.

00:40:49.000 Sorry, I shouldn't.

00:40:51.000 But they offered to speak with her.

00:40:53.000 And she said that she didn't.

00:40:55.000 But they lost that too.

00:40:56.000 They lost that.

00:40:57.000 And we called her bluff and cheese.

00:40:59.000 No, we've got mutual friends, and I'll tell you who they are after the show.

00:41:02.000 And I'm sincerely sorry I can't do it.

00:41:04.000 I know that I have to do this sometimes because you, like me, know a lot of people, and you just can't say everything you know.

00:41:08.000 You can't.

00:41:09.000 You can't because it blows up friendships and things that really matter later.

00:41:12.000 Well, I end up saying everything anyway.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, me too.

00:41:14.000 But I'm not doing it now.

00:41:15.000 But we have friends in common, and I'll tell you who they are, two of them, who told her, who are turning point people, who are tight with turning point, who told them they're losing and they're getting it wrong.

00:41:23.000 And that's what I think too.

00:41:25.000 She's winning.

00:41:26.000 She's obviously winning.

00:41:27.000 Yes, and you're totally correct on the political dimension.

00:41:29.000 But the question at the end is, why did somebody or whoever is behind it murder Charlie Kirk?

00:41:36.000 And that's when we should actually get to the point where you can't.

00:41:38.000 I'm totally fine with asking questions.

00:41:39.000 I do not.

00:41:40.000 I feel like Candice is just making up stories out of the world.

00:41:42.000 She is.

00:41:43.000 I'm not saying that.

00:41:45.000 I'm not saying, I'm not going to say because I don't know that Candace has arrived at the right answer today or that she will do in a month, but I can tell you that.

00:41:52.000 She's not even trying.

00:41:53.000 That's the issue that I have.

00:41:54.000 That I don't agree with.

00:41:55.000 Look, Candace is the one person in public life, the one, because it was not Erica, who has exhibited genuine heartbreak and grief over.

00:42:04.000 Okay, hold on.

00:42:04.000 Hold on.

00:42:04.000 Time in with the timeout.

00:42:05.000 Charlie, go, time out.

00:42:06.000 I can't tell you.

00:42:07.000 You cannot be the judge of that.

00:42:08.000 That is not fair to Eric.

00:42:09.000 I got to point myself to it.

00:42:11.000 And everybody agrees.

00:42:12.000 But you can't be the judge of that.

00:42:14.000 You can't talk about grieving.

00:42:16.000 No.

00:42:16.000 Milo, you're wrong.

00:42:17.000 I love you.

00:42:18.000 No, but you're the judge.

00:42:19.000 And they have to be afraid of the current.

00:42:20.000 Judging a widow's camera. 0.99

00:42:21.000 I have a question.

00:42:22.000 No.

00:42:23.000 It's an honest question.

00:42:24.000 Has Candace cried on camera at any of these shows?

00:42:26.000 It's an honest question.

00:42:28.000 I don't want that.

00:42:28.000 It's a flippant and silly answer, but I know that she has cried a lot.

00:42:33.000 I know that because I'm not denying they were great friends.

00:42:36.000 I'll tell you what I think.

00:42:37.000 She is.

00:42:39.000 It is certainly true that in recent years there was a drifting of a turning point in Candace and perhaps something of a drifting between turning point, excuse me, between Charlie and Candace.

00:42:50.000 Maybe it was the pressure from his donors that we now know he was speaking about later just before his death, saying that was the reason it was pushing him anti-Israel.

00:42:57.000 Maybe he was initially convinced to distance himself from Candace as a result of the pressure we know for a fact because they confirmed it.

00:43:02.000 I'm going to give you a hard example.

00:43:04.000 I'm going to give you a hard example.

00:43:05.000 She's the only ride or die homegirl for that man and she is the only person who ever has.

00:43:09.000 I'm going to give you a specific example from her show.

00:43:11.000 She highlighted claims that Turning Point was committing fraud.

00:43:16.000 And these claims were, there were a few.

00:43:18.000 It was about the tax something, right?

00:43:20.000 Right, and it's all lies.

00:43:22.000 The tax form thing is all lies and manipulations.

00:43:24.000 When you say lies, let me let me, yes, absolute lies.

00:43:27.000 The man behind these videos claims to be an accountant.

00:43:30.000 Okay, so either he's lying about being an accountant or he's lying to you.

00:43:33.000 He said the tax forms were missing, as if to imply they did not file or they should have.

00:43:38.000 They had not filed yet.

00:43:39.000 In fact, they filed.

00:43:40.000 He even mentions, I'm pretty sure in his video, the October deadline is not a good thing.

00:43:43.000 Isn't it true that they filed on the day?

00:43:45.000 I don't know exactly.

00:43:46.000 And isn't it true that when he said that they hadn't filed yet?

00:43:49.000 No.

00:43:50.000 Was there a way for him to know they had filed?

00:43:53.000 Because there is an enormous gap between when you file your taxes and when it shows up on the IRS website.

00:43:57.000 Indeed, which means they could have filed it in May.

00:44:00.000 So in order to say that it is a lie, what you have to do is...

00:44:05.000 No, no, no, I'm not done.

00:44:06.000 How about you?

00:44:07.000 Sorry.

00:44:07.000 Let me finish.

00:44:08.000 Yes, you're right, you're right, right.

00:44:09.000 So in his latest video, he claims that the new filings, which quote, mysteriously appeared, which they literally didn't.

00:44:09.000 Right.

00:44:18.000 I mean, it's framing.

00:44:19.000 He says that $1.4 million was paid by turning point over three years to a parking lot.

00:44:27.000 In fact, that's just false.

00:44:28.000 He's just making things up.

00:44:29.000 It was 110 LLC registered to a UPS store where there are mailboxes.

00:44:35.000 A single member LLC is likely a contractor who uses an LLC for business purposes.

00:44:40.000 And these are the stories.

00:44:44.000 Okay.

00:44:45.000 I'm not going to tell you, because I haven't looked into this, that he's not wrong.

00:44:49.000 He's completely wrong.

00:44:50.000 And so I accept what you say.

00:44:52.000 But when Candace is going to be able to call him a liar, it's not about calling him a liar.

00:44:57.000 He's intentionally manipulating information.

00:44:59.000 Most importantly, to call Candace a liar, you have to do two things that you cannot do.

00:45:04.000 The first is you have to travel in time.

00:45:06.000 And the second is you have to reach inside her head and see what her thought process was.

00:45:09.000 Is Candace smart? 0.98

00:45:11.000 Can you seriously doubt it?

00:45:13.000 Can I agree that?

00:45:14.000 Can you seriously doubt it? 0.81

00:45:15.000 Let me tell you why I default to liar.

00:45:17.000 I'm going to be really honest with you.

00:45:18.000 I didn't used to think she was brilliant. 0.79

00:45:19.000 I'll tell you why I default a liar.

00:45:20.000 I've met her. 0.84

00:45:21.000 I've been on her show.

00:45:22.000 She's been on my show.

00:45:23.000 She's a genius.

00:45:24.000 She is quick-witted and well-read. 1.00

00:45:27.000 So when she sees someone make a stupid statement like tax forms mysteriously disappeared, there's no way I believe she ignorantly just posted a falsehood. 1.00

00:45:35.000 She heard about the atom bomb. 0.99

00:45:36.000 I mean, like, people, geniuses can make moral mistakes.

00:45:39.000 Geniuses can make research mistakes.

00:45:41.000 In fact, let's try this.

00:45:42.000 Most of the time.

00:45:43.000 I thought UTC meant Utah time.

00:45:45.000 She posted her own lawyer's address.

00:45:47.000 In fact, how about this?

00:45:48.000 The feds work at her lawyer's office. 0.73

00:45:51.000 It is perfectly normal for her feds to be working at the same time.

00:45:54.000 For a big office building to contain multiple companies.

00:45:58.000 And when they do so, lawyers didn't vet that the cars actually went to the airport.

00:46:03.000 When they do so, it is extremely normal for lawyers to share offices with government departments.

00:46:09.000 She did not vet at the planes at the airport.

00:46:12.000 She actually loaded up cars and went to that building. 0.68

00:46:14.000 She made that up.

00:46:15.000 You're not going to hear from me that she's got everything right.

00:46:17.000 I'm not here to say that.

00:46:19.000 Endless.

00:46:20.000 Clearly, that's not the case.

00:46:22.000 But first of all, I believe that she is motivated by a sincere desire to find out what happened to Charlie Cook.

00:46:28.000 Second, we don't know.

00:46:30.000 We still don't know because they are telling untruths about it.

00:46:33.000 I know for a fact, for an absolute fact, that Charlie has not been buried yet.

00:46:36.000 I know for an absolute, incontrovertible fact, he's not buried yet.

00:46:39.000 Why?

00:46:40.000 Why?

00:46:41.000 There's no good reason for it.

00:46:42.000 I know for a fact.

00:46:43.000 I'm going to tell you.

00:46:44.000 You know that my faith is sincere.

00:46:46.000 Right.

00:46:46.000 I hope.

00:46:47.000 You know that I thanks for leaving that.

00:46:49.000 Thanks for leaving the silence there.

00:46:51.000 No, I hope that you understand I'm a sincere person.

00:46:54.000 I swear on my little boy I lost.

00:46:56.000 I swear, cat, not person, but you know, I swear on God, on the Blessed Mother, I swear on Jesus Christ.

00:47:02.000 I know for an incontrovertible fact that Charlie has not been buried yet.

00:47:06.000 There's no good reason for that.

00:47:07.000 None whatsoever.

00:47:08.000 Unless some trickery is afoot.

00:47:09.000 Because and they're telling people, oh, it's because we're planning to build a giant mausoleum.

00:47:15.000 Well, you put together the biggest political event in the last hundred years in three days.

00:47:18.000 Where's the mausoleum, girl? 0.76

00:47:20.000 Sorry, no.

00:47:21.000 I know for a fact.

00:47:23.000 He has not been buried.

00:47:24.000 He has not been buried.

00:47:25.000 Because people are asking them.

00:47:25.000 Why?

00:47:26.000 They're saying, I want to go pay my respects to Charlie Cook.

00:47:29.000 I can go visit Nietzsche.

00:47:30.000 I can visit Karl Marx.

00:47:31.000 Why can't I visit Charlie Cook?

00:47:32.000 Where is he buried?

00:47:33.000 Where is his gravestone? 0.75

00:47:35.000 And you better have a damn good reason why he's not buried yet.

00:47:37.000 Do you have anything to do with that?

00:47:37.000 And I genuinely mean it when I say that I would appreciate it.

00:47:40.000 I would prefer it if you are the face of skepticism towards Turning Point USA.

00:47:44.000 But nobody else is doing it.

00:47:45.000 She's the only one. 0.99

00:47:46.000 So how dare anybody give her a shit of this? 1.00

00:47:48.000 Like, how do you give a shit? 1.00

00:47:49.000 She's the only one. 1.00

00:47:50.000 She's the only one endless.

00:47:52.000 She is the only one with a massive platform who has devoted to Bridget Macron being a man and Blake lively drama.

00:48:00.000 Absolutely agree with Bridget McCrone.

00:48:01.000 100%.

00:48:02.000 No, no, no.

00:48:03.000 Wait, you're saying Bridget Macron's a man?

00:48:04.000 100%.

00:48:07.000 They can have the best.

00:48:08.000 I'm not interested in this.

00:48:09.000 I mean, I'm not interested in any of where this is going to be.

00:48:12.000 Let's change this.

00:48:13.000 I am not interested in active lawsuit on that side.

00:48:15.000 I'm not interested in this industry.

00:48:18.000 I am not interested.

00:48:20.000 And the issue is this.

00:48:21.000 You said before, if I'm not winning, why am I here?

00:48:23.000 That's my point.

00:48:24.000 My point is, if I am not wanted, I don't want to be here.

00:48:26.000 But you are wanted.

00:48:27.000 And you're more than wanted.

00:48:29.000 You're necessary.

00:48:29.000 But you're getting pissed off because people don't agree with you.

00:48:31.000 And that's not okay.

00:48:32.000 That's not why I'm pissed off.

00:48:33.000 Yeah, it is.

00:48:33.000 No, My motivation for going against Jack Dorsey was not that people didn't agree with you.

00:48:38.000 No, no, no.

00:48:39.000 In fact, everybody agreed with me.

00:48:41.000 I said that I admired what you did with him and I admired what you did with Liquid Death.

00:48:44.000 This is my point.

00:48:45.000 don't love what happened here so and now i think there's a mistake here as as there's been an increase in the questions around what candace is doing and i have increasingly been critical of what she's doing over the past few months and she crossed the line with these vague listen i'll put it like this uh in in the Most of my life, I grew up around the hacking community and computer nerds.

00:49:08.000 And the thing that I focused on was called social engineering.

00:49:10.000 Are you familiar with hackers?

00:49:11.000 Of course, yeah, of course.

00:49:12.000 So I was staying at a hacker space.

00:49:13.000 I run security for you, so I, yes.

00:49:15.000 And so I ended up working for nonprofits, doing fundraising.

00:49:18.000 Communications, manipulation is the principal function of hacking in general.

00:49:25.000 Most times someone's breaking into a computer, they're not actually doing code.

00:49:27.000 No, they persuaded somebody to give them.

00:49:29.000 I'm watching Candace do all of the basic components of social engineering. 1.00

00:49:29.000 Right. 1.00

00:49:32.000 And this is tech support.

00:49:33.000 Would you mind clicking on this link so I can show you my screen and fix your problem?

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 And Candace Owens is doing the lowest grade, but well done, social assumptive reasoning, manipulation, and it is evil.

00:49:42.000 It's evil.

00:49:43.000 Okay, so I think it's ridiculous for you earlier on to claim that you're not saying what she's doing is morally wrong and then to call what she's doing evil.

00:49:49.000 I think it's disagreeing.

00:49:50.000 I think it is morally.

00:49:51.000 What do you mean?

00:49:51.000 So you said earlier that you said.

00:49:52.000 No, When I said she talks about her text with Charlie, I didn't call that evil.

00:49:57.000 I said she's allowed to share her text with Charlie.

00:49:59.000 And I said, this is an example of a show that's female-coded and a lot of women want to watch. 0.99

00:50:03.000 People will rewind and make their own judgments about that.

00:50:05.000 And that's what I've consistently said.

00:50:06.000 But I'll tell you what.

00:50:07.000 When I bump into some young men who are Gen Z, and the first thing, so here's what happens.

00:50:12.000 These three young guys, one guy says to me, oh, hey, you're the podcast.

00:50:16.000 You're Tim Poole.

00:50:17.000 And then his buddy goes, who's he?

00:50:18.000 And he's like, he's got a big podcast.

00:50:20.000 He's like, like, you know, Trump interviewed Trump.

00:50:23.000 The guy then says, do you know, oh, what do you think about Candace?

00:50:26.000 And I said, what about her?

00:50:26.000 And he goes, she went into hiding because they're trying to kill her.

00:50:29.000 And I said, you mean she took Thanksgiving off?

00:50:32.000 But she makes these tweets that resulted in viral posts. 0.99

00:50:36.000 She knows she's doing it when she says, our show is off the air as an update.

00:50:40.000 The White House has confirmed her seat of the plot against me.

00:50:43.000 You keep claiming interior knowledge of her mental state, which you do not possess and cannot possess.

00:50:47.000 I am not going to play this game. 0.98

00:50:49.000 I am not going to play this game where you're like, well, she's insinuated literally every fucking time some nefarious bullshit, but she didn't explicitly say it. 1.00

00:50:56.000 So I'm too stupid. 1.00

00:50:56.000 I'm not going to believe it. 1.00

00:50:58.000 I'm not playing a game with you.

00:50:59.000 I'm really not.

00:51:00.000 But I am saying that I have heard you tell people on this show that they cannot have knowledge of somebody else's interior mental state.

00:51:08.000 I've heard you say it.

00:51:09.000 Why do you claim you have it?

00:51:10.000 That point is specifically about Donald Trump. 1.00

00:51:13.000 And my point was, in certain areas, Trump lies about really stupid things. 0.99

00:51:18.000 Does yeah, and then when it comes to you know high-level foreign policy stuff, he'll get something wrong, but they'll always default to a lie. 0.99

00:51:25.000 It might be a lie, it might not be, but the media defaulting to it.

00:51:29.000 Now, the issue is you are making my point for me.

00:51:31.000 No, I'm making the point that when Candace now when Candace makes a tweet that intentionally you can't say that, right?

00:51:39.000 Because if it's if she referenced a tweet that was a lie, but she thinks it's true, he's not lying.

00:51:44.000 I'm gonna go ahead and say, I do respect your judgment actually to a point on this.

00:51:49.000 But as a literal matter of objective reality, you cannot know that.

00:51:53.000 If Donald Trump sometimes lies and sometimes doesn't, my point is we try to parse out when we think he's lying and when we think he's not.

00:52:00.000 And if Candace is doing what is considered to be a basic social activity, you're going a bit further than that, though, with Candace now, aren't you?

00:52:06.000 No, you are.

00:52:07.000 You're saying what she's doing is evil.

00:52:09.000 what I think is evil is the big picture that somebody, I'm not talking about a singular action that somebody heard a man who, look, when she put Charlie Kirk's Spotify playlist up, my first thought was that is not the Spotify playlist of a heterosexual man.

00:52:24.000 My second thought was, why would it's just not.

00:52:27.000 It's not.

00:52:28.000 It's Nikki Minaj and Lord.

00:52:29.000 It's just not. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Straight men don't know that shit. 1.00

00:52:31.000 They just don't. 1.00

00:52:33.000 Let me put a waiting to see if anyone's like, hey, I like straight men are not bopping along to Monster.

00:52:37.000 I'm just bopped a monster.

00:52:40.000 So, right, so let me say this.

00:52:42.000 The second thing that occurred to me was Candace having the intimate purchase on him that she obviously feels and feels at a threat and at risk.

00:52:51.000 Like, it's, I know, I've stayed with her down in, I've been there down with in Tennessee.

00:52:57.000 We didn't get on.

00:52:58.000 I have no reason to be nice about Candace.

00:53:00.000 None.

00:53:01.000 She tried to get me fired from EZ when she didn't know that I was doing, I was, I was working in the bus's best interest.

00:53:07.000 She went in hard trying to get Yay Connie West to fire me. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Okay. 1.00

00:53:11.000 And it was over the course of months.

00:53:13.000 I have no reason to be nice about her.

00:53:15.000 Zero.

00:53:16.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:53:16.000 None.

00:53:17.000 But on this issue, I have more sympathy with her than I do with the other side because I see someone, in my view, sincerely searching for the truth.

00:53:26.000 Is everything she says correct?

00:53:27.000 No.

00:53:29.000 Is she carpet bombing the world with lies? 1.00

00:53:31.000 Absolutely not.

00:53:32.000 When she said this feels like an inside job.

00:53:35.000 It does.

00:53:36.000 What does?

00:53:37.000 It does.

00:53:37.000 What does the conspiracy of silence?

00:53:41.000 No, no, no.

00:53:42.000 That's my trick on this show, okay?

00:53:43.000 That's my thing.

00:53:44.000 Someone else is getting to a good point.

00:53:44.000 What's considered to be a significant thing?

00:53:46.000 That's my thing.

00:53:47.000 Again, let me point this out.

00:53:50.000 The astronomically adequate explanations given, in my view, for the actions before, at, and after Charlie's death and the behavior afterwards from both the federal government and turning point executives.

00:54:06.000 You think nothing of his deeply, deeply sinister wife.

00:54:11.000 What?

00:54:12.000 Erica?

00:54:12.000 No, he's how is she sinister?

00:54:14.000 No, Milo, Milo, please, please.

00:54:16.000 Genuine question, do you know?

00:54:17.000 No, no, hold on.

00:54:18.000 No, no, hold on.

00:54:19.000 Please, please explain to me how is Erica Kirk sinister?

00:54:23.000 Have you seen the difference in the size of her hands with Charlie's in their wedding pictures and then compared it to him in his casket?

00:54:31.000 Are you saying she's a man?

00:54:32.000 No, no, I'm saying that that wasn't Charlie in there.

00:54:35.000 What are you talking?

00:54:36.000 Come on.

00:54:36.000 I'm saying there's something up.

00:54:38.000 There's something up.

00:54:39.000 So you're saying he's hidden?

00:54:41.000 I'm not saying he's hidden.

00:54:42.000 I'm not saying he's alive somewhere.

00:54:44.000 I don't know.

00:54:45.000 But his body hasn't been buried.

00:54:46.000 Did they lose it?

00:54:47.000 It happens.

00:54:48.000 It happens.

00:54:49.000 Do you think there's a possibility that Charlie is alive?

00:54:51.000 I think it's vanishingly slight.

00:54:53.000 I think it's probably the most.

00:54:54.000 Do you even give it a slight?

00:54:57.000 Of course it's possible.

00:54:58.000 And the behavior of some of the turning point people makes me wonder.

00:55:01.000 I tweeted today for the first time ever.

00:55:04.000 I didn't name him, but just thinking aloud, do you think he's still alive?

00:55:07.000 You think there's a possibility they faked his death?

00:55:09.000 Yes.

00:55:10.000 But then why wouldn't Candace say something more to that degree?

00:55:14.000 It's probably the most difficult thing to prove.

00:55:16.000 So why won't Candace call out Erica? 0.99

00:55:18.000 She has.

00:55:20.000 She has.

00:55:21.000 Not only does she, as she mentioned, I mean, she's done it.

00:55:24.000 Candace is the ultimate master of the tease, right? 1.00

00:55:30.000 Oh, so you're agreeing with me now?

00:55:30.000 Now you will say.

00:55:31.000 You will say, no, no, no, no. 0.95

00:55:32.000 You will say that that tease is entirely dishonest, fraudulent, and manipulative, and wicked. 0.54

00:55:38.000 I think she just is the master storyteller.

00:55:42.000 The truth perhaps is in the middle.

00:55:44.000 Maybe the truth is in the middle.

00:55:44.000 Agreed.

00:55:46.000 We agree.

00:55:46.000 But.

00:55:47.000 She's telling stories.

00:55:49.000 Stories is a news term.

00:55:50.000 And stories is a news term, and that's the manner in which I meant it.

00:55:50.000 And I know about that.

00:55:53.000 So when Ben Shapiro said that she implied Erica killed Charlie, was he wrong?

00:56:00.000 I think at that time she had not done so.

00:56:02.000 I think later there were comments that I would have to check the chronology, but I think later there were comments where I'm like, hmm.

00:56:10.000 And I read today and I did not check it out because I'm always two or three days late catching up her show, although I do watch her religiously.

00:56:14.000 That's the queen. 1.00

00:56:16.000 I'm always a couple of days behind watching on the show because I've got stuff going on.

00:56:19.000 But somebody tweeted today that Candace said that she believed that they were about to get a divorce. 0.90

00:56:25.000 I think he was gay. 0.99

00:56:28.000 And I think he was gay. 0.98

00:56:29.000 Come on. 0.95

00:56:31.000 You do know that I've criticized.

00:56:34.000 I'm sorry, Tim, but why would you even go there to say something like that?

00:56:38.000 No, no, no, the man's dead.

00:56:39.000 You're calling.

00:56:40.000 Now you have to say that.

00:56:42.000 That's when people can tell the truth.

00:56:44.000 I disagree.

00:56:44.000 I know.

00:56:45.000 That's when people can tell the truth.

00:56:47.000 Let me tell you why.

00:56:48.000 And if you want to read in a vindictive crusade on my part for everything I've just said, you are entitled to do so, and so are the viewers.

00:56:55.000 But I'll tell you what happened.

00:56:56.000 I'll tell what Charlie Cook did to me.

00:56:58.000 Charlie was a very brilliant, very, very brilliant organizer, fundraiser, networker.

00:57:05.000 Phenomenal.

00:57:05.000 Those three things.

00:57:06.000 Probably the best in the business, maybe.

00:57:09.000 Certainly one of the top two, three.

00:57:11.000 Amazing at those things.

00:57:12.000 But he was also very ruthless.

00:57:13.000 He was a very ruthless person who spent a long time excising and excommunicating all of the most interesting people in politics from the right wing.

00:57:21.000 He did it for a decade.

00:57:23.000 Everybody knows it.

00:57:25.000 Nobody has said it because it's not polite in the aftermath of his death.

00:57:27.000 Charlie gave a platform so many films. 1.00

00:57:30.000 He gave a platform to lily-livered, centrist, weak frauds, faggots, and prostitutes, and drag queens. 1.00

00:57:30.000 Many people. 1.00

00:57:37.000 What he also did at that same time, what he also did at that same time, and anybody in power, anybody in power, what he also did at that same time was systematically extinguish the light of anybody who could not be controlled.

00:57:47.000 And I'm one of them, and I'm going to tell you what happened.

00:57:51.000 When you hear rumors about sexual impropriety about me now, most people are like, yeah, probably true. 1.00

00:57:58.000 There's a reason for that.

00:57:59.000 Charlie.

00:58:00.000 When I was at the height of my fame, the height of my popularity, Charlie made up a rumor that I was having sex with children on campuses, underage boys on college campuses, and I was selling them drugs.

00:58:13.000 And he did that because there was no other way they could seize a monopoly on college campuses because I was just so totally dominant. 0.85

00:58:20.000 And they didn't have anybody in the influencer line because at that time, Charlie was a really shitty speaker.

00:58:25.000 He got a lot better towards the end.

00:58:26.000 I think he got a lot better man towards the end, honestly.

00:58:28.000 I think having kids really changed him, if I'm honest.

00:58:31.000 But at that time, very ruthless person.

00:58:33.000 And they had nobody that could go up against me.

00:58:37.000 He made up that lie.

00:58:39.000 He forced every turning point chapter.

00:58:41.000 And everybody, everybody has heard 20 instances where Turning Point has canceled somebody.

00:58:44.000 Everybody knows 20 times it's happened.

00:58:46.000 All right.

00:58:47.000 Happened to Ashley Sinclair, for God's sake.

00:58:48.000 Happened to everyone.

00:58:49.000 It happened to most of us.

00:58:50.000 Okay.

00:58:50.000 Most of us.

00:58:51.000 Most of us.

00:58:54.000 You have walked a very fine line.

00:58:55.000 And because of the broadness and because of the mission that you're on, you've escaped the wrath of Turning Point.

00:59:02.000 I haven't.

00:59:03.000 Oh, no.

00:59:03.000 Oh, you haven't?

00:59:04.000 They disinvited us.

00:59:05.000 Little recently.

00:59:06.000 That's the DNA of the organization.

00:59:06.000 Ah, well, yeah.

00:59:08.000 That's what it does.

00:59:08.000 That's what it is.

00:59:10.000 It is a thermostat.

00:59:11.000 A thermostat is a control device.

00:59:12.000 Well, a thermostat's job is to monitor the temperature.

00:59:15.000 And if it gets too hot or too cold, to make an adjustment, to do something to force the temperature.

00:59:19.000 And why are they losing?

00:59:20.000 Back where it should be.

00:59:21.000 Because it worked for a very long time.

00:59:22.000 But it did not work in the wake of their most audacious misstep, which is what we don't know about Charlie Cook's death.

00:59:28.000 There's something.

00:59:28.000 I don't know what it is.

00:59:28.000 I don't know if Candace is right.

00:59:29.000 Why can't we just explain it?

00:59:30.000 But there's something.

00:59:31.000 Now, let me just fit.

00:59:31.000 Let me say, you know what?

00:59:33.000 I have Charlie on tape telling chapter presidents that if they book me, and this is 2016, 2017, okay?

00:59:40.000 If they book me, he will dissolve their chapters.

00:59:43.000 And he did it on the basis of an outrageous, utterly untrue lie.

00:59:46.000 I was married by then. 1.00

00:59:47.000 I was like, so stupid. 1.00

00:59:48.000 I was completely in love with that guy. 1.00

00:59:51.000 I have a completely faithful marriage.

00:59:53.000 It was utterly untrue.

00:59:55.000 And he used it to extinguish me on campuses.

00:59:58.000 I was canceled immediately after Brooklyn.

01:00:00.000 So it looks like I went out at the height of my fame.

01:00:02.000 But as you know, there's a lag, right?

01:00:04.000 And I had a tour booked up to Berkeley, but for nine months prior to that, I couldn't get booked anywhere.

01:00:10.000 Because the smart thing to do when you're like that is to book next year, now, right?

01:00:14.000 I couldn't book anywhere.

01:00:16.000 And I found out, and I have evidence, I have the tapes, more than one, that he made up that lie to seize a monopoly on college campuses.

01:00:25.000 And it worked.

01:00:26.000 And he told people that I was having sex with Andre students and that I was selling them drugs. 0.63

01:00:32.000 Now, I can understand why I might buy drugs from a student. 1.00

01:00:34.000 So it was a particularly stupid lie, although I didn't. 0.97

01:00:36.000 I can understand why, you know, I'm not going to tell you I didn't have a line of Adderall at a frat party. 0.99

01:00:40.000 I'm not going to tell you that.

01:00:41.000 I'm sure I did.

01:00:42.000 I know I did.

01:00:43.000 I remember doing it.

01:00:43.000 I remember I did.

01:00:44.000 But never in a million years did any money change hands for anything like that.

01:00:48.000 And never in a million years did I have any sexual contact with any student at any university on my tour.

01:00:52.000 You can't produce one.

01:00:53.000 Nobody's ever been able to.

01:00:54.000 But Charlie told everybody that's what I was doing on my bus tour.

01:00:57.000 And so when, you know, we talk about this, when we lionize this figure, it's important to remember what we're doing.

01:01:02.000 Charlie Cook was very effective for Trump, no question.

01:01:06.000 And the reason I didn't go after Charlie, and you know what I'm like, the reason I didn't go after Charlie, to tell you the truth, is that I thought he was a net positive for the country.

01:01:14.000 And I thought he was valuable to Trump.

01:01:16.000 I didn't think it was in anybody's interest to do so.

01:01:18.000 And I was like, I guess you would say I was biding my time, right?

01:01:21.000 And I said, and I tweeted once, don't ever stop being useful, Charlie.

01:01:24.000 But that lie fed into the lie they told later, or the mischievous or malicious edit of whatever, and started what became my excision from public life.

01:01:37.000 It cost me hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:01:40.000 Have you heard what I've said?

01:01:41.000 Hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:01:42.000 Have you heard what I've said about Turning Point?

01:01:44.000 Yes, they've come for you now too.

01:01:46.000 No, hold on, hold on.

01:01:48.000 Well, just a moment ago, but specifically.

01:01:50.000 I don't recall your whole in it.

01:01:52.000 It's probably appeared in Axios and the Washington Post and maybe the Daily Mail at this point.

01:01:56.000 They are attempting to reorient around Bush-era Republicanism.

01:02:00.000 Neoconservative.

01:02:00.000 True.

01:02:01.000 And this means they have to excise coalition members on the right.

01:02:01.000 True.

01:02:05.000 True.

01:02:06.000 And so, now you're getting to the good stuff because now you're seeing that.

01:02:10.000 And let me go on.

01:02:12.000 I went to, I got a call from Andrew Colvett.

01:02:17.000 And he asked me if I could come out and co-host Charlie's show.

01:02:21.000 And I said, it's really hard to do.

01:02:23.000 The only really we can do is if we do Tim Castle Turning Point like we've done before.

01:02:28.000 You know, they had to zip.

01:02:29.000 And his chair to the desk so none of the people left would sit in his chair.

01:02:32.000 Did you know that?

01:02:33.000 Wow.

01:02:34.000 Let me tell you this. 1.00

01:02:35.000 Because every single bitch there was desperate to leap into his chair. 1.00

01:02:40.000 They zip-tied his chair to the people. 0.99

01:02:42.000 Let me tell you what happened.

01:02:43.000 Because Andrew Colvett would have been in that chair faster than you can say.

01:02:46.000 Let me tell you what happened.

01:02:48.000 All right.

01:02:49.000 So ask him right now.

01:02:51.000 So let me say, go ask everybody at Turning Point.

01:02:54.000 Go to that desk and take a photo of it right now.

01:02:56.000 Maybe they zip it in the last month or so.

01:02:57.000 Maybe the zip tie is going to come off any second, but they zip-tied it the week he died within 48 hours of his death.

01:03:03.000 I have also heard the same thing.

01:03:04.000 I was standing there.

01:03:06.000 I don't remember.

01:03:06.000 So let me tell you, Milo, let me finish.

01:03:08.000 You've heard it too.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, from several people.

01:03:10.000 Right, me too.

01:03:11.000 Let me tell you what happened.

01:03:13.000 So we went down and I did my morning show in Arizona.

01:03:18.000 We did Timcast IRL from Turning Point and I did Charlie's show and then we combined Thought Crime with Timcast.

01:03:26.000 And when we were there, I asked Colvet and another guy, what's the plan for AmFest, right?

01:03:32.000 We've done the same slot for three years in a row.

01:03:34.000 They bring us out.

01:03:35.000 I assume that you paid them quite a lot of money.

01:03:37.000 No.

01:03:38.000 They invite you?

01:03:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:40.000 No, I've never paid to be there.

01:03:41.000 I don't mean to say that to cost dispersions.

01:03:43.000 Right.

01:03:43.000 With Turning Point, usually money is changing hands one more time.

01:03:45.000 You pay to be on stage for a lot of these people.

01:03:45.000 Right.

01:03:47.000 Right, right.

01:03:48.000 We need to do that, but I'm just going to say that.

01:03:50.000 We were considered to be one of their core media partners or something, right?

01:03:53.000 No, a big get, right?

01:03:54.000 For Charlie, the idea was we have a more moderate urban liberal audience that shifted rightward, and he wanted coalition, right?

01:04:02.000 I would imagine, well, I know that a large slice of your audience comes from the Gamergate metal hinterland with the music that you both like and with the kind of online nerd culture and certain pockets that maybe drifted right over the last 15 years.

01:04:21.000 Yes.

01:04:22.000 So my understanding from what Charlie said, from what Andrew said, is that Charlie valued the audience we have because it was an audience they couldn't reach.

01:04:28.000 So us being on stage was valuable to them.

01:04:28.000 Correct.

01:04:30.000 Absolutely correct.

01:04:31.000 So when I asked them.

01:04:32.000 How would Turning Point ever reach Ian?

01:04:34.000 Exactly.

01:04:34.000 They'd thrive every time.

01:04:36.000 And so let me finish.

01:04:37.000 Let me finish.

01:04:38.000 I'm curious your thoughts on all this.

01:04:40.000 I'll tell you where we're at.

01:04:41.000 I'm introducing you.

01:04:41.000 And I'll give a little bit of the more nitty-gritty details on everything that's going on because I'm kind of just a little jaded.

01:04:47.000 So while we were there, this is the beginning of October, I asked them what the plan was for Amfest, and they said nothing's changed.

01:04:53.000 The plan is the same.

01:04:54.000 And I said, okay, fantastic.

01:04:56.000 Andrew said, it is rough, you know, because you guys are on stage for a long time.

01:05:01.000 I said, anything you need from us to accommodate, we can shorten the show.

01:05:05.000 I understand it's rough now with Charlie.

01:05:07.000 It's a bit chaotic.

01:05:08.000 Who would say anything else?

01:05:09.000 So two weeks go by.

01:05:11.000 My booker, you know, Lisa's reaching out to them.

01:05:14.000 And I'm texting.

01:05:15.000 Shout out, Bob Bunas.

01:05:16.000 And we're told, we'll get back to you.

01:05:18.000 I texted Jack Pisobic and Colvett, and Colvett doesn't respond.

01:05:23.000 And Jack texts back saying, I talked with Andrew.

01:05:26.000 He says, give him a bit.

01:05:27.000 He's working on it.

01:05:29.000 And then finally, it was three, I think it was three, what was it?

01:05:35.000 On Tuesday, I put up the video saying we're not going.

01:05:37.000 So it was the Friday before then when I had made a video saying what Candace is doing is I had said on IRL.

01:05:44.000 It's okay.

01:05:46.000 What is this part of the story?

01:05:47.000 I said, what she has been doing is demoralizing because right now the focus is. 0.98

01:05:52.000 I don't completely disagree with that.

01:05:54.000 The focus that I'm looking at for news is there's this coalition.

01:05:57.000 I don't consider myself to be anyone's leader or anything.

01:06:00.000 I'm a guy who complains on the internet.

01:06:01.000 But how are we going to win these midterms?

01:06:03.000 And the Virginia defeat, all of these stuff, people are getting blackpilled.

01:06:06.000 People are turning out of politics.

01:06:08.000 And then she starts doing this mystery style, you know, true crime-ish show. 0.97

01:06:14.000 I called it demoralizing that she's making insinuations of Turning Point because Turning Point united these coalitions.

01:06:21.000 I get a message from Colvet, and I guess I'll just go full bore and I'll just spill all of the beans.

01:06:30.000 I probably shouldn't have said the zip tie thing, so let's do it. 0.72

01:06:32.000 Yeah, he basically said, he hits me up saying, it's a rock in a hard place.

01:06:37.000 I'm paraphrasing.

01:06:39.000 They have to book one of their longest term shows.

01:06:41.000 That's not what he's talking about.

01:06:42.000 I got a text about if Turning Point decides to actually engage Candace because they did, it blows up in their face. 0.94

01:06:50.000 And so I called him, and I talked to him and said, listen, right, I'm not doing this for anybody.

01:06:57.000 My opinions are my opinions.

01:07:00.000 I was like, I don't know what you guys have going on or what you should or shouldn't do, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:05.000 And the general idea was in the conversation is like When Candace came out and said, here are text messages from Charlie, and he came out the next day immediately and said, yes, those were, we gave them to law enforcement, it blew up in their face.

01:07:19.000 The story got 100 times worse.

01:07:21.000 And so they immediately recoiled and said, okay, there's nothing we can say to convince anybody of anything.

01:07:26.000 So let's just not say anything.

01:07:28.000 That was the general concept.

01:07:30.000 At the end of that conversation, I said, look, I got to get back to recording.

01:07:34.000 It is what it is.

01:07:35.000 And he goes, listen.

01:07:38.000 You know, because of the hurtful things you said, we weren't planning on having you here this year.

01:07:44.000 But if you still wanted to come, would you be open to doing it?

01:07:48.000 And I said, of course.

01:07:50.000 And he's like, okay, it's a heavy lift.

01:07:52.000 Let me see if I can make it happen.

01:07:53.000 It's a big undertaking for you.

01:07:54.000 So let me tell you where we go from here.

01:07:56.000 So I get off the phone with him and I said, so he explicitly just told me that the past months of hold on, we're working on it was literally, actually, we already filled your slot and we weren't going to invite you and we didn't tell you.

01:08:08.000 Yes.

01:08:09.000 So I was a bit pissed.

01:08:11.000 They do that to suspend criticism.

01:08:13.000 So what happens is like Fox hires people to create patients who might otherwise be a threat to Marquee Talon.

01:08:19.000 So come Monday, I have also, at the same time, got a request from the World Poker Tour.

01:08:26.000 And they asked if I would like to be involved in one of their promotional influencer streams with a bunch of high-profile personalities.

01:08:31.000 I said, we are going to be at Amfest on the 18th and 19th.

01:08:35.000 So that means I can only be there.

01:08:36.000 And it's on the 17th.

01:08:37.000 I said, okay, that works.

01:08:38.000 We'll drive from there.

01:08:40.000 But we have to do Tim Cast IRL from this place.

01:08:44.000 Do you have a studio?

01:08:45.000 They said, yes, we do.

01:08:46.000 When do you need it?

01:08:47.000 I said, well, we're not confirmed for Amfest yet.

01:08:49.000 Colvett says he's working on it.

01:08:50.000 Let me see if I can get a confirmation from them so I can tell you when we need the studio.

01:08:54.000 Colvett responds to Lisa saying, we're full.

01:08:58.000 That's the issue.

01:08:59.000 We are working on it, though.

01:09:01.000 And he said, that's the answer you get at any point at this time.

01:09:05.000 So here's what I said.

01:09:06.000 Sorry.

01:09:07.000 So immediately, when I get this message midday, I get pissed.

01:09:12.000 Because I'm saying, you're full.

01:09:16.000 Okay, it's Monday.

01:09:18.000 I got to give these guys in Vegas an answer.

01:09:20.000 If they didn't want to have me there, that's fine.

01:09:23.000 But it costs money to lead people on like this.

01:09:25.000 It's enormously citty behavior.

01:09:29.000 And now we're booking late.

01:09:30.000 So at this point, I'm like, I can't even get hotels for my staff.

01:09:33.000 The prices are going to be really high. 1.00

01:09:34.000 It's a bitch. 1.00

01:09:35.000 So at this point, I said, Lisa, like, what's going on? 1.00

01:09:38.000 She's like, here's what he said.

01:09:40.000 They're working on it.

01:09:41.000 And I said, no.

01:09:42.000 We're out.

01:09:43.000 So I'm a nice guy.

01:09:44.000 So I hit up Jack Poseobic.

01:09:46.000 I hit up Benny Johnson.

01:09:47.000 I hit up a couple other people.

01:09:49.000 And I said, guys, I'm not coming.

01:09:53.000 Okay. 0.99

01:09:53.000 I don't want to be a dick to any of you. 0.99

01:09:55.000 Whatever. 0.99

01:09:56.000 You don't need me there.

01:09:57.000 And the general response was, no, hold on, hold on.

01:10:01.000 We're going to figure something out.

01:10:02.000 No, no, no.

01:10:02.000 At this point, if this is the managerial decisions that Turning Point had made up to this point, I have no problem not being invited.

01:10:11.000 It's not my party.

01:10:12.000 But understand, for months, we've been asking.

01:10:15.000 I've been texting.

01:10:16.000 You're led on.

01:10:16.000 You're let on.

01:10:17.000 So I immediately reached out to WPT and said, guys, we are on for the full week and we've booked some very high-profile guests that are going to be on the show and we won't be going to Amfest.

01:10:29.000 And then I made a video.

01:10:32.000 And after I do, my phone blows up from Turning Point.

01:10:34.000 People being like, no, no, why would you do that?

01:10:37.000 And here's what I'll say.

01:10:37.000 This is what they do.

01:10:38.000 The only reason they led me on was because they didn't want me to make a video saying we weren't going to be going there.

01:10:45.000 What I just said.

01:10:46.000 So they waited until it was the very last minute.

01:10:48.000 Yes.

01:10:48.000 Then when they come back and say, you know what, Tim, we've changed our mind.

01:10:52.000 You can come.

01:10:53.000 It's putting me in a position where it's too difficult to do and I have prior commitments.

01:10:58.000 Why should you do that if you spent a dollar based on their deliberate admitted lies?

01:11:02.000 So there's a few things to Charlie, for instance.

01:11:07.000 There's a few things I have to consider, and that's I am not going to be able to do it.

01:11:09.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

01:11:10.000 You should trust them over Candice for sure.

01:11:12.000 I don't trust her either.

01:11:13.000 But I'm not sure.

01:11:14.000 Clearly, you should trust them over Candace.

01:11:16.000 And the funny thing is, I was saying this before, or at the same time, I'm criticizing Candace.

01:11:20.000 My point is that now, what am I going to do?

01:11:24.000 Am I going to take him up on their invite, spend extra money, show up?

01:11:27.000 Of course not.

01:11:28.000 Now, I have friends.

01:11:29.000 I think Jack Brissop is a really good guy.

01:11:31.000 He's a good friend.

01:11:32.000 He's a friend of the show.

01:11:32.000 It's worth saying about Jack also that he is on the periphery of turning point.

01:11:36.000 They've never offered him an official position.

01:11:38.000 He doesn't work for them.

01:11:39.000 He's not paid by them.

01:11:40.000 He's one of their, he's close.

01:11:41.000 He's close with them.

01:11:42.000 But he's still classified because I do know Jack as well a little bit.

01:11:46.000 And he's still classified merely as an influencer of theirs, merely as an ambassador or something, right?

01:11:50.000 They have since come out and continually offered to bring us out, make something work.

01:11:56.000 And I've said no.

01:11:57.000 Absolutely right.

01:11:58.000 I'm not interested.

01:11:59.000 Absolutely right.

01:12:01.000 You have some dignity, like no.

01:12:03.000 Well, I'll tell you my emotional state right now.

01:12:08.000 I think that I've had a lot of conversation with high-profile business people in the podcasting space, big CEOs.

01:12:15.000 And you know what they all say?

01:12:16.000 They say, Tim, if you say what we want you to say, you'll be the biggest show in the country.

01:12:20.000 I've had those conversations.

01:12:21.000 You have the work ethic.

01:12:22.000 Long time ago, but yes.

01:12:24.000 Your ability to talk off script and just nail these points.

01:12:28.000 Let us guide you with guardrails.

01:12:31.000 I know that what you're saying is absolutely factually true because 10 years ago, I had the same conversations with some of the same people.

01:12:39.000 And my response is, I'm not interested in that.

01:12:42.000 Good for you, man.

01:12:43.000 And so it's no surprise.

01:12:46.000 My faith in you was not misplaced.

01:12:48.000 It's no surprise that we get.

01:12:49.000 He didn't phone it in.

01:12:52.000 What are you saying?

01:12:53.000 You love saying that people phoned it in.

01:12:55.000 He didn't phone it in.

01:12:56.000 I forgot.

01:12:56.000 Sorry, I forgot you were here.

01:12:57.000 What are you saying?

01:12:58.000 So, let me let me put Milo.

01:13:00.000 Let's.

01:13:01.000 I'm actually.

01:13:03.000 I'm actually.

01:13:03.000 I'm going to be honest.

01:13:04.000 I'm really happy to hear that, bro.

01:13:05.000 I don't care about the cameras right now.

01:13:06.000 I'm actually really enjoying this conversation with you.

01:13:08.000 Me too, me too.

01:13:08.000 Yeah, this feels cathartic.

01:13:10.000 Me too.

01:13:11.000 I could tell.

01:13:11.000 This is a different tone from some of the frustration I've heard you express in the rest of the week.

01:13:16.000 And me too, by the way, because nobody really knows what I think about anything.

01:13:20.000 Let me burn every bridge I can and Elmo in the fire.

01:13:24.000 Well, don't do it just because I'm here.

01:13:24.000 How about that?

01:13:26.000 No, it's because this is my current emotional state.

01:13:28.000 The first thing I'll say about what these producers and these CEOs come to me, they say, Tim, you say too much.

01:13:34.000 A year ago, I went on my show and said, I want to quit.

01:13:34.000 Right?

01:13:37.000 I'm sick of this shit. 1.00

01:13:38.000 Blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:13:39.000 And they said, Are you an idiot? 1.00

01:13:40.000 They said, You're sitting on a company that brings in over 10 million every year. 1.00

01:13:44.000 If we only just did this, we could make it 100.

01:13:46.000 And then if that's.

01:13:47.000 Let us take it over.

01:13:48.000 Give us the button. 1.00

01:13:49.000 So when you start farting on stream like a moron, we kill the show. 1.00

01:13:53.000 Bring you back. 1.00

01:13:54.000 And so I said, you know, if I want to go on my show and have an emotional meltdown, that's who I am.

01:13:58.000 And you know what?

01:13:59.000 Maybe my show would be bigger if I went more mainline and didn't call people out, burn bridges.

01:14:04.000 I know that's true.

01:14:04.000 I know that your show would be bigger because I've spoken to some of the people that spoke to you.

01:14:07.000 Exactly.

01:14:08.000 Now, with my job in entertainment, I have a bit more clout than I used to.

01:14:11.000 And I know who some of them are, and I'm not going to name their names.

01:14:14.000 So it's up to you to do what you want to do.

01:14:16.000 But I have spoken to people who spoke to you.

01:14:18.000 And I'll be honest with you, I heard the same thing from them.

01:14:22.000 And I thought, that's my guy.

01:14:24.000 Right.

01:14:25.000 So I'll tell you exactly what they would have told me.

01:14:27.000 Tim, don't say anything about Candace.

01:14:30.000 They would have said, I don't care how you feel.

01:14:32.000 What is the upside for your business?

01:14:35.000 And my response is, I didn't start doing this to make a business.

01:14:39.000 I kind of just complain about things.

01:14:41.000 But you're not malleable, so you're not a value to them after you tell them that.

01:14:44.000 Indeed, absolutely.

01:14:46.000 So there are personalities out there that you know what I'm going to do? 0.99

01:14:51.000 I'm going to throw some shit. 0.98

01:14:52.000 How we do that? 0.99

01:14:53.000 Brandon Tatum.

01:14:54.000 Don't do it.

01:14:54.000 Oh, please, please.

01:14:56.000 Feed it directly into my brain.

01:14:58.000 He canceled on us.

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:00.000 He once canceled on us because we're actually at turning point.

01:15:03.000 And I bumped it.

01:15:04.000 Names I can't even say on this show.

01:15:05.000 I bumped it.

01:15:06.000 And I love all of them.

01:15:07.000 His truck's not paid off.

01:15:09.000 Okay.

01:15:10.000 So he pulled that money from Israel and he still hasn't paid his truck off.

01:15:12.000 So let me tell you the story.

01:15:14.000 And these are the things they say don't say because there's no reason to say it.

01:15:18.000 You're going to burn bridges and people are fans.

01:15:20.000 So I bumped into him backstage at Turning Point and he said something like, Hey, man, I'll see you tomorrow.

01:15:25.000 And I was like, oh, are you coming on the show?

01:15:26.000 And he was like, yeah.

01:15:27.000 And I was like, awesome, dude.

01:15:28.000 So he canceled right away.

01:15:28.000 It'll be great to have you.

01:15:30.000 And apparently I was told that he was offended that I didn't know he was booked.

01:15:33.000 And I said, I have a booker who does this.

01:15:34.000 I don't know who's booked. 0.87

01:15:38.000 That is a black thing.

01:15:39.000 Okay, well, the reason I bring this up is not, I'm now just kind of throwing shade because I am.

01:15:45.000 And I don't really have that much to say about him other than like that was a bad experience.

01:15:49.000 But the overt pro-Israel stuff that he posts.

01:15:51.000 It's so crazy.

01:15:52.000 It's so counterproductive.

01:15:53.000 Agreed.

01:15:54.000 And there's a lot of people doing this.

01:15:56.000 It reminds me, doesn't it remind you of the DeSantis supporters who lost the nomination?

01:16:00.000 So, Milo, let's have a therapy session and I'll tell you what I'm thinking.

01:16:04.000 We've got a handful of right-wing influencers who were caught getting paid to promote India, sugary drinks, and gambling websites.

01:16:11.000 Elijah, India.

01:16:12.000 Indeed.

01:16:13.000 And there are people like Brandon Tatum who make the most.

01:16:17.000 When people say 7K, I'm just like, bro, with all due respect, his posts are so over-the-top pro-Israel and effective.

01:16:25.000 Well, no, he should be paid less.

01:16:27.000 They're terrible.

01:16:28.000 He is kind of, it's funny.

01:16:31.000 He came out to support Candace.

01:16:32.000 I didn't see that coming actually.

01:16:33.000 Black thing. 0.99

01:16:35.000 But I thought it was interesting, an interesting alliance or temporary alliance because he's like inverse Candace, like where she is a genius, like media mastermind. 1.00

01:16:48.000 He's the dumbest. 0.99

01:16:49.000 I'm not going to say the word. 1.00

01:16:52.000 I've never seen anybody like get.

01:16:55.000 I don't want to get too specific on an individual.

01:16:57.000 Excuse me.

01:16:58.000 Some of the behavior that I've seen.

01:16:58.000 No, I'm not trying to have to.

01:17:01.000 I'm saying I want to have a broader idea conversation.

01:17:05.000 We can complain about people.

01:17:06.000 But basically, what I'm seeing is tons of people that are clearly getting paid to promote Israel.

01:17:11.000 It's vomitous.

01:17:12.000 Tons of people who are getting busted doing these cringe campaigns.

01:17:14.000 They're not disclosing.

01:17:15.000 Vomitous.

01:17:17.000 People who are chasing the dragon on the anti-Israel stuff, largely irrational.

01:17:22.000 And Candace is a component of this.

01:17:25.000 The vagaries of her show is demoralizing.

01:17:29.000 And when I look at the field of conservatives and I say, I am putting myself at risk with death threats, with having to hire security for everything I do.

01:17:40.000 My wife can't go to the grocery store with having a security guard with her. 1.00

01:17:43.000 For these people?

01:17:45.000 Now, for the regular people, I'd crawl over broken glass.

01:17:50.000 But this space is dominated by wealthy individuals who don't pay their trucks off.

01:17:55.000 Indeed.

01:17:56.000 But who they have disdain for the regular person.

01:18:01.000 And they're pushing things that people don't believe in.

01:18:03.000 George, you actually were a politician.

01:18:06.000 I know that you don't agree with what Candace says.

01:18:08.000 I know that you don't like a lot of her opinions.

01:18:10.000 What's the real, like, what's the actual cephalological electoral consequence of this universe we have with people who are maybe untouchable and ungovernable?

01:18:24.000 You would say like going wild over here.

01:18:26.000 And then a highly tightly, sinisterly, that's not a word, like controlled cabal moving like a shoal of fish over here.

01:18:35.000 What's it going to do if it's not checked?

01:18:37.000 Because my argument is we should have that.

01:18:39.000 We should have that meltdown now.

01:18:42.000 What happens if we do and what happens if we don't?

01:18:43.000 So I disagree with you.

01:18:46.000 Oh, I'm back in the conversation now.

01:18:49.000 No, that's because I thought you left.

01:18:51.000 No.

01:18:52.000 I was so glad when he came out of the bathroom because I was like, that's another friendship gone.

01:18:56.000 At least I'll get to eat.

01:18:57.000 I'll tweet all these tweets.

01:18:57.000 I've got my notes.

01:18:58.000 No, no, no.

01:18:59.000 So to answer your question, look, you guys are having a great conversation.

01:19:04.000 I want to first clear this out.

01:19:06.000 I don't hate Candace.

01:19:07.000 I disagree with what she's doing.

01:19:09.000 And it's important to distinguish that.

01:19:11.000 I think she's, as Tim said, very highly intelligent.

01:19:13.000 I think she's genius status. 0.97

01:19:15.000 But your question is very simple.

01:19:18.000 I mean, we need the rogues of the world in politics.

01:19:25.000 There is a strategicness to having people, outliers like Lauren Buber, Marjorie Taylor Green.

01:19:30.000 We're both in that category.

01:19:31.000 Like myself, Matt Gates, when he was there.

01:19:33.000 There is a benefit to them because they disrupt the school of fish that you, the analogy you use, right?

01:19:39.000 So I look at it in a two-pronged situation.

01:19:42.000 I think Candace hurts everyone.

01:19:44.000 Candace puts everyone, hear me out, people like Candace who are doing what Candace is doing on an election year that is absolutely vital to the control of government. 0.74

01:19:57.000 Hold on, Milo.

01:19:58.000 You've heard that every year. 0.99

01:19:59.000 No, I'm not saying this is the most important campaign election because it's bullshit, right? 0.99

01:20:05.000 I'm not going to hear it to respect to you. 0.99

01:20:08.000 We hear that every year.

01:20:10.000 My point is, what she's doing is fracturing the base in a time where it's very sensitive.

01:20:16.000 She's fracturing the base, or is she fracturing it? 1.00

01:20:16.000 Because what happened? 1.00

01:20:18.000 She's fracturing it. 0.98

01:20:19.000 No, she's not taking it.

01:20:20.000 No, she's not.

01:20:21.000 She's fracturing the base because we're having an example here. 1.00

01:20:24.000 I consider myself to be part of the base.

01:20:26.000 I know you do too.

01:20:27.000 You're on her side.

01:20:28.000 I'm not.

01:20:29.000 And Tim too.

01:20:30.000 And like, you're in a room.

01:20:31.000 I don't know where everybody stands.

01:20:36.000 She's absolutely fracturing the base. 1.00

01:20:37.000 She is.

01:20:37.000 This is definitely not helping me.

01:20:39.000 It's simply my issue with it.

01:20:41.000 When I'm bumping into people, the conversation is no longer around the issues that Americans care about. 1.00

01:20:47.000 Regular people are no longer talking about how we are going to win and make this country better, but they're talking about the dumbest shit in the world. 0.99

01:20:54.000 Like I get some guy being like, what about the Bush in front of Charlie? 1.00

01:20:58.000 And it's not dumb. 0.80

01:20:59.000 And the reason it's not dumb is that this is now occupying the place that Trump made with the Epstein BS, right? 0.77

01:21:06.000 Trump made this void with Epstein.

01:21:10.000 This void, the need for a grand unifying theory that explains all the mysteries of the political universe, that explains the sinister nature of our lived reality, they say.

01:21:25.000 A theory that explains that.

01:21:26.000 Trump trashed it.

01:21:28.000 Instead, it's a gray.

01:21:30.000 Instead, I agree with that.

01:21:31.000 You agree?

01:21:32.000 I disagree.

01:21:33.000 The Epstein thing was a massive blunder.

01:21:36.000 By shoving Epstein out the way, he created a space for the kind of voters who need something like that in their life.

01:21:42.000 So you're saying there's a segment that want women.

01:21:45.000 Women. 0.81

01:21:46.000 By getting rid of Trump, people don't understand this.

01:21:49.000 That's the only woman in the room if she agrees with that. 0.63

01:21:52.000 Come on.

01:21:53.000 You're absolutely making the correct point in what is happening, but not in what is morally correct in the end.

01:21:58.000 I think.

01:21:59.000 But do you understand what to do?

01:22:00.000 To get back to the Epstein point.

01:22:02.000 To get back to the Epstein point.

01:22:04.000 One major reason a few years ago, in 1920, why the Epstein files and this whole controversy around Perphilia and Epstein was happening was because of QAnon.

01:22:17.000 I would not say that QAnon was a net positive for the movement, even though a lot of people, they were motivated.

01:22:22.000 But if they're not on QAnon, they're on something worse.

01:22:22.000 Right.

01:22:24.000 And QANON.

01:22:25.000 What is worse?

01:22:26.000 Well, what is worse?

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:28.000 I don't think QAnon had any negative consequences.

01:22:31.000 So look, nobody died.

01:22:33.000 Nobody died.

01:22:33.000 But Turning Point USA helped get Trump elected and is doing massive voter drive initiatives.

01:22:39.000 And she is trying to burn it down. 0.98

01:22:42.000 I'm glad that she is because although that organization did a lot of good, it also did a lot of damage.

01:22:49.000 Are you just trying to square out your petty grievances?

01:22:52.000 And by the way, I'm sorry.

01:22:52.000 I take that back.

01:22:53.000 Hold on.

01:22:54.000 They're not petty because they did fundamentally affect you as a person, but are you allowing, but they didn't just affect me?

01:22:59.000 Let me ask this.

01:23:00.000 Are you allowing your own personal experience based on what you just because it's not just about me?

01:23:08.000 It's about the hundreds of influences that they threw off a boat.

01:23:12.000 At what they did, at what cost?

01:23:15.000 At what cost?

01:23:15.000 At what expense?

01:23:16.000 I'm telling you.

01:23:17.000 To get President Trump.

01:23:18.000 I'm about to tell you, for short-term electoral gain, the IQ level, the IQ level of the debate on the right-wing side in this country has dropped 20 points in 15 years.

01:23:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:23:30.000 And I agree with you currently.

01:23:31.000 Yes, thanks to Candace. 1.00

01:23:31.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

01:23:33.000 When it became a matter of fact, it is not thanks to Candace. 1.00

01:23:35.000 It precedes Candace by a decade.

01:23:37.000 I agree with that, but Charlie did it.

01:23:38.000 Charlie did it.

01:23:40.000 Charlie did it.

01:23:40.000 He got me out.

01:23:41.000 And whatever you think about me, I talk at a certain level because I'm really fucking smart. 0.50

01:23:45.000 And he got everybody like me out too. 0.75

01:23:47.000 Everybody.

01:23:48.000 And who else did he get out?

01:23:49.000 Who did he like?

01:23:51.000 Everybody.

01:23:51.000 Literally everyone you like on the internet was banned by turning point at some point.

01:23:55.000 Okay, no, hold on.

01:23:55.000 Time out.

01:23:56.000 You're saying I do believe you are very intelligent.

01:24:00.000 Don't get, I'm not knocking you because I do find you to be one of the most intelligent people out there.

01:24:04.000 But at the same time, you're saying, so I take that as a slide and I'm going to stand here because I find Jack to be brilliant.

01:24:11.000 I find him brilliant.

01:24:12.000 I find him to be brilliant.

01:24:13.000 Jack has taken a very well.

01:24:16.000 Jack is very tired.

01:24:17.000 And then actually, St. Claire's another one.

01:24:18.000 You mentioned her earlier.

01:24:19.000 I find her to be brilliant with her ups and downs or whatever you want to bring out there.

01:24:24.000 She's also brilliant.

01:24:25.000 She was never really in the political act.

01:24:27.000 Yeah, she was.

01:24:28.000 I've known Ashley for years.

01:24:29.000 The two smart people.

01:24:31.000 She produced my political act.

01:24:32.000 The two smart people who are turning point adjacent and not turning point people, him and Prosobek, both have something in common.

01:24:38.000 What?

01:24:38.000 They have proceeded in their careers extremely delicately so as to build a tent rather than to pick a side over and over and over again.

01:24:52.000 Jack does it.

01:24:53.000 Jack does it behind closed doors and is a very effective operator, networker, and a journalist as a result of it.

01:24:58.000 What about Alex?

01:24:59.000 And he does it.

01:25:01.000 I just wish Alex would tell the truth about his sexuality.

01:25:04.000 But you get...

01:25:06.000 There's something about...

01:25:07.000 You've got to stop saying that.

01:25:08.000 Well, we haven't got...

01:25:10.000 Everybody is not gay just because you want them to be gay.

01:25:13.000 In conservative media, yes, they are.

01:25:14.000 No, stop.

01:25:15.000 Strangely, a lot of them are.

01:25:15.000 Yes, they are.

01:25:16.000 No, no, no.

01:25:17.000 But the ones who are are out of the world.

01:25:19.000 Who's talking?

01:25:20.000 I'm gay.

01:25:21.000 I never said I'm not gay.

01:25:23.000 He's talking.

01:25:24.000 Listen.

01:25:26.000 One of the most distinctive characteristics.

01:25:29.000 I have a gift for you.

01:25:30.000 Here.

01:25:31.000 You need this back.

01:25:32.000 You need this.

01:25:33.000 You need this back.

01:25:34.000 And I'm giving you this.

01:25:35.000 You need this back here.

01:25:36.000 No, I'm not saying that.

01:25:37.000 Like, Milo needs this back because it's his reality.

01:25:40.000 He just.

01:25:41.000 Milo, Milo, Milo.

01:25:42.000 I love you.

01:25:44.000 I want to get back to you.

01:25:45.000 I love you, but we're going to fall out for you.

01:25:47.000 I'm still a queen.

01:25:48.000 I don't care how much you're straight. 0.94

01:25:50.000 There is one of the most distinctive things about the right-wing in this country is its homosexual overtones. 0.98

01:25:54.000 Benny Johnson posts pictures of his children every two days. 0.56

01:25:58.000 It's weird.

01:25:59.000 And everybody knows what went on with Benny Johnson in those lobbies and in those hotel rooms at SAS.

01:26:04.000 Everybody knows.

01:26:05.000 I don't.

01:26:06.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:26:07.000 Men.

01:26:08.000 Younger men, not underage.

01:26:10.000 At least I don't know that.

01:26:12.000 His wife was crying drunk in the lobby three sasses in a row about how her husband was upstairs with boys.

01:26:19.000 Come on.

01:26:20.000 Go ask her.

01:26:22.000 Come on.

01:26:22.000 Go ask her.

01:26:23.000 Come on, Milo.

01:26:24.000 Go ask her.

01:26:25.000 Milo, aren't you ever scared of getting sued?

01:26:28.000 You say something.

01:26:29.000 I'm sitting here like, I am humbled by the lore and your ability.

01:26:34.000 Audacity.

01:26:36.000 There's no teapots in this room right now to express how I feel.

01:26:40.000 George, I have said these things about people for 20 years and never once in my career been sued.

01:26:45.000 I've issued three corrections in my entire journalistic career because I get my facts right and people know that they do not want to go.

01:26:50.000 I'm not a great discovery.

01:26:51.000 Actually, I want to say this.

01:26:53.000 I've never been sued for anything I've ever said about anyone.

01:26:55.000 The one thing I can hold myself.

01:26:56.000 I need to say this.

01:26:58.000 Because I'm right.

01:26:59.000 The most terrifying thing about Milo is that he knows all your secrets.

01:27:02.000 Oh, no, he knows everybody's lore.

01:27:03.000 Trust me.

01:27:04.000 I am terrified of Milo.

01:27:05.000 I will never cross Milo.

01:27:07.000 Milo is the one person that people say, like, why are you friends with him? 1.00

01:27:10.000 Bitch knows too much. 1.00

01:27:13.000 I can't afford not to be. 1.00

01:27:15.000 He knows too much.

01:27:16.000 Nobody wants to be his enemy.

01:27:17.000 Let me just.

01:27:17.000 No, do not cross this, dude.

01:27:19.000 It's not worth it.

01:27:20.000 I was going to say, I'm like, Benny told you what? 1.00

01:27:22.000 Did he get the dick out of his mouth long enough? 1.00

01:27:23.000 Oh my God, Milo. 1.00

01:27:25.000 You can't say these things.

01:27:26.000 Yes, I can because it's real and it's true.

01:27:28.000 Milo, stop.

01:27:29.000 You can't say it.

01:27:29.000 Because you want to maintain your friendships.

01:27:31.000 I can say it because I feel like I never met Milo this UK.

01:27:35.000 I know.

01:27:36.000 I'm trying to help him.

01:27:38.000 I'm not helping him.

01:27:39.000 I think you'll be fine.

01:27:40.000 You can't even help you.

01:27:41.000 You just came out of jail. 0.96

01:27:41.000 Crank. 0.96

01:27:42.000 I don't even got any tips from you about life.

01:27:45.000 Let's turn the volume from 11 to at least 10.

01:27:47.000 Yes.

01:27:47.000 But I want to say this.

01:27:48.000 I will just say.

01:27:50.000 When we're talking about how there's people who come to me and they say, Tim, we'll be the guardrails for you and you'll be the biggest. 1.00

01:27:55.000 Fags. 1.00

01:27:56.000 Faggotized. 1.00

01:27:57.000 What they're really saying is, Tim, when you catch someone at a convention doing blow, don't say the drugs. 1.00

01:28:05.000 Don't say the gay sex. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Don't say the bad stuff because we've made an investment in that.

01:28:10.000 That's an asset of our and we want to protect it.

01:28:12.000 Benny Johnson.

01:28:13.000 Well, I'm not saying anything about a bunch of people.

01:28:14.000 I'm just back on, Queen.

01:28:15.000 It's a king crown, actually.

01:28:17.000 A queen crown has a completely different shape.

01:28:19.000 If you look at a queen crown, it has more of a gentle slope that goes over and overlapped.

01:28:24.000 This is a king crown, and I'll take it.

01:28:26.000 And I will say the word on an airplane, but not here at all.

01:28:29.000 I think if everybody just literally said the truth.

01:28:36.000 And the fact they don't is the reason we have Candace Owens. 0.99

01:28:38.000 And what I hear from you is a is I hear, I hear a nascent club Candace subscriber.

01:28:44.000 You're not there yet.

01:28:45.000 You're not there yet.

01:28:46.000 But your grievances are her grievances.

01:28:49.000 Your grievances are my grievances. 0.50

01:28:50.000 Oh, you know what?

01:28:51.000 And I believe the problem for you, with you, excuse me, the problem for you is that you believe she's going about it the wrong way and with the wrong tactics and whatever and so on and so forth.

01:29:00.000 And you also believe that she's deliberately speaking untruths, which I don't agree with, but because I think her faith is real.

01:29:06.000 I think her faith is real.

01:29:07.000 But Milo, I got to tell you, if you know, if you.

01:29:10.000 Yep, there goes the crown.

01:29:11.000 Well, Tim, I'll tell you this.

01:29:12.000 In a vein, listen, I believe that her faith is real, and I believe that she takes seriously the consequences of knowingly lying.

01:29:18.000 I believe that, I mean, does she have the fake New York Times meticulously dishonest habit of elaborate corrections that don't actually explain why the story was a lie in the first place? 1.00

01:29:33.000 No, she doesn't do all that nonsense. 1.00

01:29:35.000 And sometimes it would be nice if she said, I'm not sure if that panned out or not.

01:29:38.000 Maybe it would.

01:29:39.000 But she knows what she's doing, and I don't.

01:29:42.000 I'm going to let her cook because I'm going to let her cook.

01:29:45.000 Because it sounds to me like you have all the same grievances as us.

01:29:48.000 You have all the same priorities as us.

01:29:50.000 You have all of the same, I don't want to say enemies, but like a lot of the same kind of like antagonists in your head as us.

01:29:55.000 You agree on who the bad guys are.

01:29:56.000 Turning point has treated you as bad as it's treated everybody else.

01:29:59.000 But there's something about Candace you just can't stomach.

01:30:02.000 And I don't believe it's her.

01:30:04.000 Well, I don't know what it is.

01:30:06.000 You know my origin story, Milo?

01:30:08.000 I don't know what it is.

01:30:08.000 When I worked for these nonprofits, I got a job doing fundraising when I was in my early 20s working for Greenpeace, the PERG groups, ACLU, et cetera.

01:30:17.000 And I ended up moving to California and I worked for a group called Environment California.

01:30:23.000 It is, you know, you're on the street, you're waving, you're saying, hey, come talk to me about the environment.

01:30:27.000 We're going to sign you up.

01:30:28.000 And what happened was I was a nation's best fundraiser for Greenpeace, the PER Groups, a bunch of these nonprofits.

01:30:33.000 Believe it.

01:30:34.000 And so my job was: I'm going to go out and I'm going to say words to you that convince you to give me your credit card in exchange for nothing.

01:30:40.000 And so.

01:30:41.000 So you believe that you see the same strategies, the same tactics, the same 100%.

01:30:45.000 It's a lie.

01:30:47.000 So here's why I quit.

01:30:48.000 Because one day, I was on a street corner when the Deepwater Horizon accident happened.

01:30:54.000 They printed out these papers and said, this is your pitch.

01:30:56.000 Use this to sign people up.

01:30:58.000 Do you?

01:30:59.000 And so I, let me finish.

01:31:00.000 Sorry, sorry.

01:31:00.000 Sorry.

01:31:01.000 So I said, awesome, let's go do it.

01:31:03.000 And here I am thinking, I'm actually convincing people to do right.

01:31:07.000 And I went on the street, 23-year-old me, and I signed some people up and I was at Nation's Best.

01:31:12.000 You know, my buddy Mark, who works here, also, he was better than me.

01:31:15.000 And so I'm in California, and one guy goes.

01:31:18.000 What was he, Nation's best, best?

01:31:20.000 I was number five.

01:31:21.000 He was number three.

01:31:22.000 Okay.

01:31:22.000 Yeah, pretty crazy.

01:31:23.000 And so there's a lot of those guys out on the street.

01:31:27.000 To be fair, it fluctuates like one week.

01:31:29.000 I was just teasing.

01:31:30.000 But so this guy comes up to me and I said, hey, come over here.

01:31:33.000 Let's talk about the environment.

01:31:34.000 Blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:31:35.000 I gave him the pitch and he goes, you're full of shit. 1.00

01:31:37.000 And then I was like, I'm sorry. 1.00

01:31:38.000 And he goes, that's not how much oil is being spilled.

01:31:40.000 Substantially less than that.

01:31:42.000 And then I was like, this is the reporting that they give us.

01:31:45.000 Did you believe that you were being told things that were directionally correct for a greater moral purpose?

01:31:51.000 So here's what happened.

01:31:52.000 He said, you're trying to lie to me.

01:31:55.000 That's fraud.

01:31:56.000 Screw off.

01:31:57.000 And I said, okay, sorry.

01:31:59.000 I immediately took my old candy bar, Nokia, because I'm 23, and I called the office and said, I said, hey, we got a problem.

01:32:06.000 Some guy just told me that our pitch is wrong and this is not correct.

01:32:11.000 Were they heartbroken and devastated and quick to rush out corrections?

01:32:15.000 Oh, quite the inverse, which is what you can expect.

01:32:17.000 They said, don't worry, Tim, just keep using it.

01:32:19.000 It's fine.

01:32:21.000 And I said, are you telling me to lie to people to convince them to give me money?

01:32:25.000 And they said, no, of course not.

01:32:28.000 Of course not.

01:32:30.000 And so that was the end of me working in nonprofits.

01:32:32.000 Well, so actually, I do like you.

01:32:34.000 My question is, I believe all of that 100%.

01:32:37.000 Do you discount the possibility that those same tactics could be used for good?

01:32:40.000 I do not believe.

01:32:42.000 I do not believe the ends justify the means because we never meet the ends.

01:32:46.000 If you decide to create that a little bit.

01:32:48.000 Yes, if you think I'm going to make a better world by deceiving the people, you're only creating a world of deceit.

01:32:54.000 That's evil.

01:32:55.000 No, that's fair. 0.97

01:32:55.000 And so when I look at these scumbags in the corporate press and the uniparty, and all they do is lie to people to trick them into doing, you know, it's tricking them into giving up their labor to them, the value they produce. 0.97

01:33:07.000 The proper source of value in the economy, yes. 0.97

01:33:10.000 Every single one of them is vastly more dishonest than anything George has ever done.

01:33:14.000 And so someone comes to me and says, we're going to topple those evil people.

01:33:17.000 How?

01:33:17.000 We're going to be them.

01:33:18.000 I say, not interested.

01:33:19.000 No, no.

01:33:20.000 Well, let me ask you this.

01:33:22.000 Probably a valid point.

01:33:23.000 Hold on.

01:33:23.000 Seriously.

01:33:24.000 Probably found out later those evil people weren't doing it.

01:33:26.000 But here they were.

01:33:28.000 They're all doing it.

01:33:29.000 And Candace is doing the same thing. 1.00

01:33:30.000 But I think that's exactly.

01:33:31.000 So she's a symptom of the same problem that you experienced when you were 23.

01:33:34.000 I don't know how many years ago that is.

01:33:35.000 I don't know how old you are.

01:33:36.000 39.

01:33:37.000 So there you go.

01:33:38.000 So when we look at it, 16 years ago, people were implying the same exact tactics.

01:33:43.000 Well, I'm not sure.

01:33:43.000 Let me tell you a little bit.

01:33:44.000 I'm not granting you that.

01:33:45.000 What I'm asking is not the deliberate lying because I don't believe she does that.

01:33:48.000 But I think that.

01:33:48.000 Intentional.

01:33:49.000 It's not deliberate.

01:33:50.000 It's intentional.

01:33:50.000 Okay, so you have a bit of a difference on that.

01:33:52.000 I would be more intentional.

01:33:54.000 I'm persuadable to your position.

01:33:55.000 I am persuadable to yours.

01:33:57.000 Unless I witnessed her lying.

01:33:58.000 I just, I find it very difficult to believe.

01:33:59.000 I've learned that.

01:34:00.000 Let me put it right here.

01:34:01.000 But when you describe like the.

01:34:05.000 Wow, I actually just got him to concede he's persuadable to myself.

01:34:10.000 Do you need a hug?

01:34:11.000 Okay.

01:34:11.000 Do you need a hug?

01:34:13.000 Let me.

01:34:15.000 It sounds like it's a more complex system of persuasion, deception, manipulation that you're describing.

01:34:21.000 Not just tell people lies to get to get money.

01:34:23.000 It sounds like you're seeing, you're getting spooked by an intricate pattern that you've seen that gets people to a particular place that requires dishonesty or lies or whatever on the way.

01:34:34.000 And you see the same thing with Candace.

01:34:36.000 Is that accurate?

01:34:37.000 Say that again?

01:34:38.000 So it's more complicated than just we're going to lie to people to get their credit cards.

01:34:42.000 It seems to me that you're saying there's a schema.

01:34:45.000 There are psychological tricks.

01:34:47.000 There's like a whole system that I saw there that I believe Candace is using too.

01:34:53.000 Not that I believe.

01:34:54.000 She's using basic techniques like assumptive reasoning. 1.00

01:34:56.000 It's in the book.

01:34:57.000 It's 101.

01:34:58.000 Is it impossible to use those tactics for good?

01:35:01.000 You say yes because the use of them is self-disqualifying because of the kind of world it creates.

01:35:06.000 That is the Catholic position.

01:35:08.000 You are if you're right about that, and I'm not granting you that because I don't believe it, but if you are right about the dishonest elements of that, then you're right.

01:35:15.000 So let me hold on, hold on.

01:35:17.000 I want to explain something, right?

01:35:19.000 So I'll give you, I'll give you some examples.

01:35:20.000 No, not lies, but like lies by omission.

01:35:23.000 I think lies by omission are perfectly permissible sometimes.

01:35:25.000 Lies by omission are permissible.

01:35:27.000 What you can't do is knowingly say something that you know is not true.

01:35:30.000 Or hold on, hold on.

01:35:31.000 The evil authorities come to your stuff and you say it's not there.

01:35:34.000 The point is this.

01:35:35.000 That if you are lying by omission with the intent to make someone draw the false conclusion.

01:35:40.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

01:35:41.000 I'm saying for goodness.

01:35:41.000 No, I don't know.

01:35:42.000 Lying by omission for correct conclusion.

01:35:45.000 I'm lying by omission for a correct conclusion. 0.99

01:35:47.000 So like, so if you if you have failed in all of your attempts to persuade somebody that they should not cut their child's penis off, right? 0.99

01:35:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:55.000 And it gets to the stage where you think you might be able to persuade them to hold it at least if you give them a correct but incomplete picture of the facts.

01:36:05.000 Is that wrong?

01:36:06.000 Yes.

01:36:07.000 And so that's that's we differ on that.

01:36:07.000 Okay.

01:36:10.000 Because there's other techniques in persuasion.

01:36:12.000 And I don't think that's what Candace is doing, but rapport being one of them is you meet your enemies as allies.

01:36:18.000 But I said you've extinguished all other options.

01:36:22.000 I said that at the beginning.

01:36:24.000 I think using, I think the problem is you're talking about, so I'll put it like this.

01:36:28.000 It is wrong that people are giving their kids sex changes, and it is wrong in positions of authority to manipulate people to your women. 0.89

01:36:34.000 Sure.

01:36:34.000 Yeah, sure.

01:36:35.000 So here's all the things.

01:36:36.000 Is it always wrong to achieve a goal by any means necessary?

01:36:39.000 Maybe it is.

01:36:40.000 No, no, I don't think so.

01:36:41.000 Okay, well, now you seem to be saying the opposite, because...

01:36:44.000 No, I said the opposite.

01:36:45.000 Or what is Canada's goal?

01:36:46.000 Because that's a problem.

01:36:47.000 Her goal is to find out the truth about how and why Charlie Kirk was killed.

01:36:51.000 And I don't believe we know that.

01:36:53.000 And she wouldn't go about it this way, because I feel like she's...

01:36:55.000 How do you know that?

01:36:56.000 Because I feel like...

01:36:56.000 You can't know what's in her mind.

01:36:57.000 You don't know that.

01:36:58.000 And let me tell you.

01:36:59.000 You're speaking as if you do.

01:37:00.000 I will happily do that.

01:37:01.000 No, I'm not.

01:37:01.000 Yes, you are.

01:37:02.000 You've said that many times.

01:37:03.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:37:04.000 You know more about Charlie than she does. 0.99

01:37:07.000 Oh, that's ridiculous. 0.99

01:37:08.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00

01:37:09.000 More than you. 0.99

01:37:10.000 Do you understand?

01:37:11.000 Don't you remember how close they were?

01:37:13.000 They used to go everywhere together for years.

01:37:17.000 I met Charlie three times.

01:37:18.000 I'm talking about right now with the murder.

01:37:20.000 I met Charlie three times.

01:37:20.000 I'm saying in this.

01:37:22.000 I'm not talking.

01:37:23.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:37:23.000 I'm not talking about his whole life.

01:37:26.000 Under pressure from the city of the world.

01:37:26.000 No, no, no, no, stop, I am not talking about his life.

01:37:30.000 I'm saying in the context of his murder, you know more than Candace does. 0.98

01:37:34.000 Ridiculous. 0.99

01:37:35.000 You think she knows more than you? 1.00

01:37:36.000 Of course.

01:37:37.000 She thought UTC meant Utah time.

01:37:39.000 All right.

01:37:40.000 That is funny.

01:37:41.000 It's funny.

01:37:42.000 But it is funny.

01:37:43.000 I'm not going to lie.

01:37:43.000 It is funny.

01:37:44.000 And it does appear to be the case that maybe she had like a brain.

01:37:48.000 Have you never had a brain fraud in your life?

01:37:49.000 No, I think she just didn't know what UTC was.

01:37:49.000 I mean, come on.

01:37:50.000 She also made the claim.

01:37:51.000 I don't know what mountain time is.

01:37:53.000 I don't know.

01:37:54.000 I'm not even exactly sure that I know what UTC is.

01:37:57.000 I don't know.

01:37:58.000 I would check.

01:37:58.000 Is UTC UTC?

01:38:00.000 Universal.

01:38:01.000 Universal.

01:38:02.000 I didn't know that.

01:38:03.000 No, I wouldn't have said it's Utah time.

01:38:04.000 Greenwich Mean Time.

01:38:05.000 Same thing.

01:38:06.000 But the woke people changed it.

01:38:08.000 Yes.

01:38:08.000 Oh, I forgot.

01:38:08.000 They stole it from the British.

01:38:11.000 I know what Greenwich Mean Time is.

01:38:12.000 Fine.

01:38:12.000 But I didn't know that name.

01:38:14.000 Tim, I, me, did not know what time.

01:38:14.000 I didn't know.

01:38:19.000 You didn't know Universal Central Time?

01:38:21.000 What UTC was.

01:38:22.000 Okay, that's fine.

01:38:23.000 So let me, let me, don't, okay.

01:38:24.000 Don't think, I wouldn't leap to saying Utah.

01:38:26.000 Here's what I want to say.

01:38:27.000 It's an understandable mistake.

01:38:29.000 Here's what I want to say, right?

01:38:31.000 One of the components.

01:38:32.000 I don't want to change the mistake of it.

01:38:33.000 One of the functions of our business is our memberships of our Discord server.

01:38:38.000 Without it, we can't exist.

01:38:39.000 And that's usually how I pitch it because it's true.

01:38:42.000 One of the things they teach you when you work for these nonprofits is that urgency is key.

01:38:47.000 After I left this environmental group, jaded, I went to work for a smaller homeless shelter.

01:38:53.000 And I was told as a fundraiser that their homeless shelters are at capacity.

01:38:57.000 And if they can't get more money, they will have to turn people away.

01:39:01.000 You want to know the truth was?

01:39:02.000 Yeah.

01:39:02.000 They're empty.

01:39:03.000 Completely empty because homeless people don't want to be in shelter.

01:39:05.000 No, they don't.

01:39:06.000 They don't. 1.00

01:39:07.000 They're there because they're crazy. 0.97

01:39:07.000 They want to be on the streets. 0.97

01:39:08.000 It's not even, it's a variety of issues. 0.99

01:39:10.000 Drug addict, crazy.

01:39:11.000 But if they wanted to live indoors in comfort with food, many of them could have a different situation. 0.95

01:39:16.000 This is the one they have.

01:39:17.000 This was the final straw for me in the nonprofit sector.

01:39:19.000 Right.

01:39:19.000 When I realized even the small ones are lying.

01:39:21.000 So you went from a big bad guy to a little guy thinking that maybe that plus eat honesty.

01:39:27.000 And it turned out they were telling almost all of it's the same.

01:39:30.000 And so here's an example.

01:39:33.000 We have security threats.

01:39:35.000 What if I said, I did this whole bit on the show the other day.

01:39:38.000 I said, what if I said, Milo, we're going to be off the air this weekend.

01:39:44.000 I'm going to be off the air this weekend.

01:39:46.000 I've got a credible assassination threat against me from someone that may be involved with the government.

01:39:51.000 If they tell you they're coming, they're not coming.

01:39:52.000 And I've encountered the FBI who have confirmed this is a credible threat.

01:39:57.000 You know, if they tell you they're coming, they're not coming.

01:39:58.000 You've had as many conversations.

01:39:59.000 The FBI has confirmed that this is a credible threat against my life.

01:40:02.000 They're drama queens. 0.92

01:40:03.000 Milo, my wife is terrified.

01:40:06.000 That's a different issue.

01:40:07.000 The only thing that I can do.

01:40:08.000 That's a different issue.

01:40:09.000 The only thing that I can do to make it through is if people sign up at Timcast.com and become members to say, we will not let you down, Tim.

01:40:18.000 We stand with you.

01:40:19.000 Yes.

01:40:20.000 And guys, if you don't do this, we may have to go into hiding.

01:40:25.000 If you believe in the work that I do and you care about my family, then you need to go to Timcast.com and click join us.

01:40:30.000 I mean, every.

01:40:32.000 I don't do that.

01:40:33.000 You don't.

01:40:33.000 No.

01:40:34.000 You do not.

01:40:34.000 Neither do you or anyone else.

01:40:36.000 Neither do I. Sorry.

01:40:38.000 Sorry.

01:40:38.000 You don't do that, and neither do I, but every political podcast in the country does.

01:40:44.000 Indeed, they do.

01:40:45.000 And I'm not saying that it's a. 0.67

01:40:47.000 I call everybody out. 0.98

01:40:49.000 This is the ridiculous thing. 0.89

01:40:49.000 I mean, I'm British, so we don't even do that. 0.89

01:40:51.000 I don't even like doing Pacific, Jake Uger, Sam Cedar.

01:40:54.000 We don't even like doing ad reads because we think it's like there should be a Chinese wall between ads, grubby. 1.00

01:40:58.000 I can't believe you read your own ads and the editorial content, right?

01:41:00.000 So when I do ads, you will always see me.

01:41:02.000 You could see me for 10 years getting like a little bit or trying to make the ads more fun or making a joke out of it, which I actually just did it on the show, right?

01:41:12.000 Because for me, it's like it's completely against my nature to do it because we're taught like Chinese wall between commercial and editorial, right?

01:41:17.000 So when I do it in America, I'm kind of like not sure what to do with my hands, you know?

01:41:20.000 So that for me has always been horrifying about every political show in America.

01:41:25.000 Does Candace Owens do something like that? 1.00

01:41:28.000 Sure.

01:41:29.000 Does that something like that put her in the minority or the majority? 0.99

01:41:33.000 Makes her, I mean, it's standard operating procedure. 0.98

01:41:35.000 I don't like it, but it's standard operating procedure.

01:41:37.000 Agreed.

01:41:38.000 And so this is the important thing.

01:41:39.000 When people are like Tim Wayragon and Candace, I had messages from people being like, you sure are attacking a lot of the level.

01:41:44.000 Although I will say this.

01:41:45.000 Listen, the point is, when I rag on the left all day, every day, non-stop, nobody says, oh, Tim, why are you criticizing these people?

01:41:52.000 No, I get it.

01:41:53.000 I will just say you made a very specific chain kind of allegation about what she has said in relation to her subscribers that I don't personally know to be true.

01:42:00.000 This is what everybody does.

01:42:02.000 Mike and Kelly did the same thing, and it's just like...

01:42:04.000 No, but I didn't see that, and I watched her show, and I didn't see... 0.99

01:42:06.000 Since which one?

01:42:07.000 Well, you said that she said, if you don't give me money.

01:42:11.000 I never said she said that.

01:42:11.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:42:13.000 Oh, what are you saying?

01:42:14.000 That's the implication behind the.

01:42:15.000 What I'm saying is the delivery I gave you would be substantially more effective in raising money and it's dishonest.

01:42:23.000 Yeah, but most of them say, if you don't give me money, bad things will happen to me.

01:42:26.000 She doesn't do that. 1.00

01:42:28.000 I'm not saying she says that.

01:42:29.000 Okay, okay.

01:42:29.000 I'm saying that.

01:42:31.000 The example I'm giving is a sense of urgency and why people need to support me.

01:42:35.000 So when the delivery methods she uses. 0.95

01:42:38.000 I mean, come on.

01:42:38.000 I mean, you start getting rid of that.

01:42:40.000 It's like, can we even advertise?

01:42:44.000 You want to get rid of urgency in advertising?

01:42:44.000 Urgency.

01:42:46.000 No, no, I'm talking about...

01:42:47.000 Come on, come on. 0.99

01:42:47.000 I'm talking about the basics of lying through assumption, assumptive manipulation. 0.99

01:42:55.000 You're saying you leave people with the impression that if they don't sign up, that something that's not.

01:43:01.000 No, I'm not talking about her specifically.

01:43:03.000 No, no, no, no.

01:43:04.000 I'm just an example for her.

01:43:05.000 I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say.

01:43:06.000 So I'll give you an example.

01:43:07.000 If I said to you, Milo, if you come on my show, I'm going to take you to the finest steakhouse for the most delicious ribeye you've ever had.

01:43:16.000 Well, that's never happened.

01:43:17.000 And all of the accouchement.

01:43:20.000 Yep.

01:43:20.000 And then, if you do, would you come on my show?

01:43:24.000 And then, hold on, hold on.

01:43:26.000 So I make you this promise, right?

01:43:27.000 Right.

01:43:28.000 Then you say, okay, I'll come.

01:43:32.000 When you show up, I say, here's what I'm going to do for you, Milo.

01:43:36.000 I'm going to get you dinner.

01:43:38.000 Remember I talked about dinner?

01:43:39.000 I'm going to get you dinner.

01:43:40.000 And then after the show, I got your hot dog.

01:43:41.000 And you say, hold on.

01:43:42.000 You said a great.

01:43:43.000 No, I never said that.

01:43:46.000 You assumed that I told you I could get it for you.

01:43:49.000 And when you came, I said to get you dinner.

01:43:51.000 I didn't say I was taking you to the steakhouse.

01:43:52.000 You assume that's your fault.

01:43:53.000 Well, I see what you mean.

01:43:54.000 And let me just clarify that you've been enormously generous and accommodating of some last-minute snafus with me.

01:44:00.000 So I don't want to imply you haven't been good to me.

01:44:01.000 Not steak.

01:44:02.000 Not steak, but plenty of other stuff.

01:44:04.000 So I don't want to imply otherwise.

01:44:05.000 I don't want to leave people with the impression otherwise.

01:44:07.000 I try to be like boringly, scrupulously honest with you because you're like one of four friends I have left in the media.

01:44:13.000 But I don't want to leave anyone with that impression.

01:44:18.000 I understand that that would feel like a letdown and probably dishonest.

01:44:24.000 The point I'm making is.

01:44:25.000 What is the way out?

01:44:26.000 I have a viral post.

01:44:26.000 What is it?

01:44:27.000 Plug it into Candace. 0.98

01:44:28.000 Yes.

01:44:29.000 It says, Candace Owens, let me just pull it up for you.

01:44:31.000 I'll pull it on the show.

01:44:32.000 All right.

01:44:33.000 Because I tweeted about this.

01:44:35.000 When I bump into young men and they say Candace Owens is in hiding because there's an assassination plot against her.

01:44:41.000 And I'm like, that's just, that's not true.

01:44:44.000 Okay.

01:44:45.000 Developing story.

01:44:46.000 Candace Owens polls her show after claiming the White House acknowledged her assassination warning.

01:44:51.000 She didn't poll her show. 0.98

01:44:53.000 She was off for Thanksgiving.

01:44:55.000 Thanksgiving is a lot longer than a week.

01:44:56.000 Excuse me, a lot shorter than a week.

01:44:57.000 And most people don't take a whole week off for Thanksgiving.

01:44:59.000 It may have been.

01:45:00.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:45:02.000 All right.

01:45:04.000 Come on, Milo.

01:45:05.000 All right.

01:45:06.000 Milo, Thanksgiving.

01:45:07.000 Maybe Thursday, Friday.

01:45:08.000 We can see.

01:45:09.000 Let me know.

01:45:10.000 Explain the whole week.

01:45:11.000 Am I allowed to think on the spot about something and give an honest answer, a considered answer?

01:45:15.000 I know I'm normally quick, but let me just say. 1.00

01:45:16.000 No, no, it's okay to just say, okay, so she embellished it and she was full of shit. 1.00

01:45:21.000 That's okay. 0.99

01:45:22.000 What if what she said about the White House was true?

01:45:24.000 That they confirmed receipt.

01:45:26.000 So what she got to read on our Apple message?

01:45:30.000 No, she's.

01:45:30.000 Send a message.

01:45:31.000 That would be enough.

01:45:32.000 What?

01:45:33.000 So why say they've confirmed receipt of the plot against me instead of being like, I've reached out to them?

01:45:38.000 Because one is manipulative language.

01:45:40.000 I think she got calls from the president saying, stop doing this in the context, and she probably can't call him up like that anymore like she used to.

01:45:45.000 So she's going through third parties.

01:45:47.000 I bet she didn't get a call from the president.

01:45:50.000 I think she got a spoof call.

01:45:50.000 You know what I think happened?

01:45:52.000 No, no, no.

01:45:52.000 I think she got a spoof call.

01:45:54.000 No, I think she, I think, I think, look, because of the people who called her prior to that, who have confirmed they did, I don't believe you.

01:46:01.000 I mean, sorry, excuse me, I don't agree with you because people have confirmed that there were three calls in escalating seniority.

01:46:07.000 And the first two people have confirmed that those calls existed.

01:46:11.000 Okay, I'll take it.

01:46:12.000 That's fine.

01:46:12.000 So I can't buy that.

01:46:13.000 I can't buy that.

01:46:14.000 So you confirm what two senior White House officials.

01:46:18.000 No, that's what I said.

01:46:19.000 Okay, so please clarify that because that's what I understand.

01:46:21.000 So there's an escalating seniority.

01:46:24.000 One person was not White House staff.

01:46:25.000 Okay.

01:46:26.000 Then the White House staff, then the president.

01:46:28.000 That person and that person.

01:46:29.000 You're saying that one non-White House person escalating to White House people.

01:46:34.000 We know that those calls are.

01:46:35.000 We know those calls are.

01:46:37.000 So that's a little different.

01:46:37.000 That's fine.

01:46:38.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:46:39.000 I can see that.

01:46:40.000 This right here, see this story?

01:46:42.000 It's got 192,000 likes.

01:46:44.000 And this is what she's intentionally doing.

01:46:47.000 Isn't she entitled to lie to people? 1.00

01:46:50.000 Believes there's a threat against her life, she's informed the White House if she's she's surrounded by sinister liars and she sincerely believes whether or not you know you think that that's correct.

01:46:50.000 No, no, no.

01:47:01.000 Is she not entitled to say these are my fears?

01:47:04.000 Well, if it's a paranoid delusion, you can't say that.

01:47:05.000 What she said, Milo.

01:47:07.000 She said, We are off the street.

01:47:10.000 As an update, the White House has confirmed receipt of the assassination plot against me.

01:47:14.000 And this resulted in, as predicted, for anyone who knows social engineering 101, viral stories like this, and then me bumping into three young men who say Candace Owens is in hiding because Israel's trying to kill her.

01:47:26.000 Yeah, but Milo, let me just say that.

01:47:28.000 You've been under death threat before.

01:47:30.000 I was in Congress.

01:47:31.000 I've never taken one seriously and nothing's ever happened.

01:47:33.000 I did.

01:47:33.000 There's actually a man in the world.

01:47:34.000 And I do understand if your wife is different from just under stalkers, which are different.

01:47:38.000 Sure.

01:47:39.000 But just listen to this specific, intentional.

01:47:39.000 I understand.

01:47:42.000 I have a man in Florida in prison for threatening and plotting to kill me and my husband.

01:47:46.000 He's actually currently serving time, right?

01:47:48.000 I was in Congress for 11 months.

01:47:50.000 And then did he threaten you before he came or was he just plunged to?

01:47:52.000 Just please stop.

01:47:54.000 There we go.

01:47:55.000 So there we go.

01:47:55.000 If they tell you they're coming, they're not coming.

01:47:57.000 My point.

01:47:57.000 No, no.

01:47:58.000 He was planning and had an act of planning.

01:48:00.000 But he didn't tell you he was coming because yes, he did.

01:48:01.000 No, he notified us. 0.62

01:48:03.000 He notified us and left a voicemail with detail of how he would kill me and my husband.

01:48:07.000 So hear me out on this so you understand.

01:48:10.000 I was in Congress for 11 months, 11 months, short months, okay?

01:48:13.000 And I was royally kicked out.

01:48:14.000 But in that short period, I had over 200 death threats that were considered serious by Capitol police.

01:48:20.000 I never once went to social media and posted this.

01:48:24.000 They advise you not to do that.

01:48:25.000 No, no, they did not.

01:48:27.000 They did not.

01:48:28.000 I never once put it.

01:48:29.000 I know Matt Gates, Marjorie Taylor Green.

01:48:31.000 Marjorie just recently did it.

01:48:33.000 Law enforcement typically what I'm trying to tell you. 0.99

01:48:37.000 The point that I'm trying to make is when you're under death threat, you don't have time for this meandering bullshit. 0.98

01:48:42.000 But that's not even the point. 0.95

01:48:43.000 Don't you think you're a somewhat distinctive case that might well have produced angry reactions in people who believe that you deceived your way into governing body?

01:48:52.000 Let me make sure that you're not.

01:48:54.000 So you think it's okay to threaten people to kill them?

01:48:54.000 Guys, guys, guys.

01:48:57.000 No, no.

01:48:57.000 Wasn't he sort of right that you shouldn't be in Congress?

01:48:59.000 No.

01:49:00.000 Guys.

01:49:01.000 This is not the point.

01:49:02.000 I got elected.

01:49:03.000 The point is this.

01:49:04.000 On the basis of lying.

01:49:05.000 That's not.

01:49:05.000 How about this?

01:49:06.000 Guys, instead of us taking off Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or I'm sorry, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday for Thanksgiving, I announce that the threat against us has escalated and I have no choice but to go dark for the time being.

01:49:16.000 I'm in contact with the FBI.

01:49:17.000 Pray for us.

01:49:19.000 And then go offline, leave for a week to go on vacation and go skiing and get 50 million views.

01:49:26.000 My phone's blowing up with.

01:49:27.000 Pray for us pissed you off, didn't it?

01:49:30.000 Why?

01:49:30.000 Because why because why because no one said pray for us?

01:49:33.000 Who said pray for us?

01:49:34.000 Well, Candace says it a lot.

01:49:35.000 She didn't say it on her tweet.

01:49:36.000 I'm saying why don't I just do that?

01:49:38.000 If you didn't say the tweet, then why did you say it?

01:49:40.000 So I believe that in order to see it because my point is being difficult, but look, I think that in order to see what is substantially sick and wrong about Erica and Turning Point and to give Candace the benefit of the doubt and to support her, I think it requires religious discernment.

01:50:02.000 I think it requires that.

01:50:03.000 Sure, if Candace was serious, she'd come out and call it Erica personally.

01:50:05.000 I think it requires.

01:50:06.000 Do it.

01:50:06.000 Do it, Candace.

01:50:08.000 Who knows what that Scottsdale gold digger would say or has done?

01:50:11.000 Nobody.

01:50:11.000 So can't you say Candice is scared to call out Erica?

01:50:13.000 I didn't say she was scared.

01:50:14.000 I said.

01:50:14.000 So why won't she do it?

01:50:16.000 She might have. 0.60

01:50:17.000 We don't know what the results were.

01:50:17.000 We don't know.

01:50:18.000 We don't know what's going on.

01:50:19.000 What do you mean?

01:50:20.000 On her show, she has never explicitly insinuated Erica.

01:50:23.000 Like, she has never explicitly said.

01:50:25.000 She said.

01:50:25.000 Insinuated, yes.

01:50:26.000 Well, isn't a bigger question why Erica hasn't called her?

01:50:28.000 Because she said if Erica asked me to stop, I will.

01:50:30.000 Erica hasn't.

01:50:31.000 That's a bigger question for me.

01:50:32.000 No, it's not.

01:50:32.000 Yes, it is.

01:50:33.000 Because of course it is.

01:50:33.000 Of course it is.

01:50:34.000 Because if everything she's saying is wrong and Erica, the CEO of Turning Point, can stop it with a phone call.

01:50:39.000 Why didn't she?

01:50:40.000 Because she can't.

01:50:41.000 Why didn't she say it?

01:50:43.000 Because Erica can't stop it over the phone. 0.99

01:50:44.000 But think about the fallout.

01:50:47.000 Okay.

01:50:48.000 Pitter patter off to a state single-party consent law.

01:50:53.000 Call Candace, tape it. 1.00

01:50:54.000 Yep.

01:50:55.000 Say, I'm calling you because you told me.

01:50:58.000 With witnesses around, including people who don't like you.

01:51:03.000 Candace, you said that if I call you and ask you to stop talking about my husband's death and the theories around it, that you would.

01:51:07.000 I'm calling to ask you to stop.

01:51:09.000 Agreed.

01:51:09.000 Why did she do that?

01:51:10.000 Because Candace would win, as you have stated correctly, but not because she's right, but because that's the public perception.

01:51:17.000 What is PR 101, Milo?

01:51:19.000 What is the first thing every PR professional person, like in PR 101, what is the first thing they tell you?

01:51:26.000 Yeah, don't repeat the Bible, obviously.

01:51:28.000 But okay, so what if it was done privately?

01:51:31.000 Because what I'm saying is, when I say you would then go on her show, when I say tape it, right?

01:51:35.000 When I say tape it, I don't mean tape and release it.

01:51:37.000 I know, I'm saying I just mean tape it.

01:51:39.000 So the thought process, literally from Turning Point, and I'm telling you this as I literally heard from directly.

01:51:44.000 I know, I know you have.

01:51:45.000 Directly they said, when we tried addressing it, it got worse.

01:51:50.000 We don't.

01:51:52.000 And the PR 101 is going to say nothing.

01:51:54.000 It got worse because they bungled it.

01:51:57.000 In addition to the fact that.

01:51:58.000 There's no not bungling it.

01:52:01.000 So you're saying she wins regardless?

01:52:03.000 When you are.

01:52:05.000 Let me put it like this.

01:52:06.000 I'd like to point out.

01:52:07.000 Why aren't Turning Point better?

01:52:08.000 I'd like to Sweetie Pumpkin, Ms. Owens.

01:52:12.000 Candace Owens is inevitable.

01:52:14.000 Tim Paul.

01:52:15.000 Like, that's what you said.

01:52:16.000 That's what you just said.

01:52:17.000 Okay, and get on board, boy.

01:52:18.000 Milo, Milo, let me ask you a question.

01:52:21.000 Do you think that if you were in charge, let me ask you a question.

01:52:24.000 If you were in charge of all communications at Turning Point from the moment Charlie died, do you think you would have beaten Candace in the communication sphere?

01:52:32.000 No, I don't.

01:52:33.000 You think that she would have maligned you and you would have.

01:52:37.000 I don't know if she would have maligned me, although we were not friends for a very long time.

01:52:40.000 And maybe she. 0.66

01:52:41.000 Like, you don't think you could do better than Turning Point did?

01:52:43.000 No.

01:52:44.000 That's a different question.

01:52:44.000 Well, no, that's not.

01:52:45.000 Different question.

01:52:46.000 Right, it is.

01:52:47.000 I could do far better than Turning Point.

01:52:50.000 Knowing that I would do far better than Turning Point, but I think she's still one.

01:52:53.000 You know what I think about Turning Point?

01:52:55.000 I think there's two big things happening.

01:52:57.000 I don't think anybody can beat her. 0.97

01:52:59.000 I think she is a once-in-a-generation media genius.

01:53:02.000 I know.

01:53:02.000 The winnings.

01:53:03.000 Can I finish the point?

01:53:05.000 I don't know what we're talking about.

01:53:05.000 I'm sorry.

01:53:06.000 But I was saying something.

01:53:06.000 Sorry, this is horrible for a moment.

01:53:07.000 I was literally saying something.

01:53:08.000 Sorry, go on.

01:53:10.000 There's two things happening with Turning Point.

01:53:11.000 Charlie's death meant a gigantic vacuum appeared in management, and they immediately have to figure out who's doing what.

01:53:17.000 So they came up with a lie that he told his wife that she was going to be the CEO.

01:53:24.000 What do you mean?

01:53:25.000 She is the CEO.

01:53:26.000 Well, they came up with the lie that it was his intention she would be the CEO, and then she ascended to CEO.

01:53:31.000 How's that a lie?

01:53:31.000 I don't know.

01:53:32.000 How's what Candice Evans is saying a lie? 1.00

01:53:33.000 We don't know, do we?

01:53:34.000 Candace said that that was a lie?

01:53:36.000 No, I'm saying I'm asserting that that is a lie in the same way that you assert that things that Candace is saying is a lie.

01:53:40.000 We can't know.

01:53:41.000 We can't know, can we?

01:53:41.000 Who said?

01:53:43.000 We can't know what.

01:53:44.000 If Erica is the CEO.

01:53:45.000 That was Charlie's intention.

01:53:46.000 Why would Charlie want to give his company to somebody else?

01:53:48.000 Why would he want to give it to his wife?

01:53:50.000 Because she's the next of kin and the company reverts to next of kin.

01:53:52.000 I'm sorry.

01:53:53.000 Whether he wanted it to happen or not, she gets it. 0.67

01:53:55.000 How many times has Charlie talked about women in leadership?

01:53:59.000 Stop, stop.

01:54:00.000 Why would a husband is going to be like, my wife can't have my money against him? 1.00

01:54:02.000 He wouldn't give it to the wife who, you know, because it's next to his wife. 0.58

01:54:07.000 Whether he wants it to happen, he saw his children.

01:54:09.000 Whether he wants it to or not, he clearly did not enjoy his wife's company when they are on stage together.

01:54:15.000 Don't you remember making these assertions of a dead man?

01:54:19.000 Don't you?

01:54:20.000 You cannot prove.

01:54:21.000 Don't you remember that just telegraphed?

01:54:24.000 I'm bored as hell every time he was talking on stage with her.

01:54:27.000 Come on.

01:54:28.000 Sorry.

01:54:28.000 It's true.

01:54:29.000 We're making assertions about her based on my reading.

01:54:32.000 You're saying that Tim can't make assertions about what he did.

01:54:32.000 100%.

01:54:35.000 No, I'm saying that Tim does not make, does not present the caveat that this is his.

01:54:35.000 About Candace.

01:54:42.000 But you're not presenting the caveat on Eric.

01:54:45.000 Come on.

01:54:45.000 Because I'm not stating it as a fact.

01:54:47.000 You literally just did.

01:54:48.000 You said she made it.

01:54:49.000 Let's stop saying that.

01:54:49.000 Okay, okay, guys.

01:54:50.000 I'm under some logic.

01:54:51.000 I'm in.

01:54:51.000 I'm just a meth.

01:54:53.000 I'm under some meth.

01:54:54.000 Inferential reasoning is leading me to conclude, which is my conclusion based on inferential reasoning.

01:55:00.000 And I'm okay with that.

01:55:00.000 And now let me do some myth.

01:55:02.000 But I believe that you are making more.

01:55:04.000 I believe that the statements you make have a higher truth standard.

01:55:08.000 I think you're making absolute factual claims about Candace Owens' interior state, which you cannot.

01:55:13.000 So I'm going to do this.

01:55:15.000 What it sounds like.

01:55:15.000 When Candace tweeted, we're going off the air as an update.

01:55:20.000 The White House has confirmed receipt, right?

01:55:23.000 I recognize that instantly.

01:55:25.000 It's not an accident.

01:55:26.000 It's called a subtitle reasoning.

01:55:27.000 It's a basic social engineering trick that people are taught to do.

01:55:31.000 Now, I mean, what do we have?

01:55:32.000 I will accept that.

01:55:34.000 What should she have done in that circumstance?

01:55:35.000 We're off for Thanksgiving.

01:55:37.000 Hey, guys, we're taking the week off for Thanksgiving.

01:55:39.000 The apex of a story about how her best friend was murdered when her whole life, when her whole life is consumed by this in a way that could very well have, it didn't, but the massively high-risk decision that she made to turn her entire media career into a crusade to discover Charlie's.

01:55:57.000 You're right.

01:55:58.000 From this point forward, I am going to be a thespian.

01:56:04.000 Okay.

01:56:05.000 All of my stories will be conveyed through the dramatic and insincere.

01:56:13.000 Can I write for you?

01:56:14.000 Can I just write the episodes for you?

01:56:16.000 I can't believe you have no idea.

01:56:18.000 I can't believe.

01:56:19.000 First of all, I cannot believe that Tim Paul just alluded to me as theatrical and insincere, and I would like to.

01:56:24.000 I'm talking about Candace.

01:56:25.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:28.000 And to be fair, Milo, you're definitely sincere, but you're also theatrical.

01:56:33.000 Come on.

01:56:33.000 My point is.

01:56:35.000 I heard your new album's good.

01:56:37.000 You know what I will accept?

01:56:38.000 No one's going to hear it.

01:56:39.000 I will accept this.

01:56:40.000 The world that I want to live in doesn't exist.

01:56:44.000 Every major corporation, every major personality, and anyone who wishes they had the talent would do it in two seconds. 1.00

01:56:50.000 And I have the talent and I refuse to do it because I'm a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:56:53.000 So I say, let's go, baby. 1.00

01:56:56.000 I will lie, cheat, and steal all the way to the top.

01:56:58.000 Stop it.

01:56:58.000 Two things.

01:56:59.000 It doesn't break off.

01:56:59.000 Oh, it doesn't work.

01:57:00.000 I've tried it.

01:57:01.000 There's a difference.

01:57:02.000 I tried it.

01:57:03.000 Listen.

01:57:04.000 Don't do it, Tim.

01:57:05.000 Let me tell you.

01:57:05.000 From George Santos to Milianopoulos, this ain't your thing.

01:57:08.000 No, You are wrong.

01:57:11.000 As I already pointed out, I was a nation's best fundraiser for one of the topics.

01:57:14.000 You could have done it.

01:57:15.000 You could do it now.

01:57:16.000 So just ask you.

01:57:17.000 The point is.

01:57:18.000 No, no, hang on, hang on.

01:57:19.000 I want to know from Phil.

01:57:21.000 That was a bit of an escalation, that joke.

01:57:22.000 I apologize for that.

01:57:23.000 It was a bit too much.

01:57:23.000 Oh, I don't think it's.

01:57:24.000 Oh, no, we love it.

01:57:25.000 We're clipping it and I'm promoting it that way.

01:57:28.000 It's going to go at the very beginning of the next All That Remains record.

01:57:30.000 No, because I already.

01:57:31.000 It's hot.

01:57:31.000 All right.

01:57:32.000 Boom, boom, boom.

01:57:33.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:57:34.000 When you said you're a hard actor follow, I thought to myself, well, don't you only warm up for people?

01:57:39.000 I have a question.

01:57:42.000 Surely you've never had that experience.

01:57:43.000 I want to guess.

01:57:44.000 So, no, no, but that was a bit much.

01:57:48.000 Are you going to say, I'm sorry?

01:57:49.000 Can I hear you say I'm sorry?

01:57:50.000 Hell no.

01:57:52.000 But tell me, what does Doc Tim look like?

01:57:55.000 Dark Tim?

01:57:56.000 Dark Tim.

01:57:57.000 What does Dark Tim Paul look like?

01:57:58.000 Because he just kind of painted a little picture of himself.

01:58:00.000 I've done it on the show before.

01:58:02.000 I did it yesterday morning.

01:58:03.000 Did you?

01:58:04.000 Yeah.

01:58:04.000 Basically, I mean, it's.

01:58:06.000 Oh, bro.

01:58:06.000 You want to see me cry on command?

01:58:08.000 I think.

01:58:08.000 Yes.

01:58:09.000 I absolutely can just fucking. 0.99

01:58:11.000 I'd win an Oscar. 1.00

01:58:12.000 You conjure a sad.

01:58:12.000 What do you do?

01:58:13.000 I've never seen a crime.

01:58:14.000 Let me tell you something.

01:58:15.000 Let me tell you something.

01:58:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:16.000 I don't cry, right?

01:58:17.000 And so I told this story, I think it was yesterday morning or the day before.

01:58:21.000 Is there something you can produce?

01:58:25.000 I wouldn't say it's right here.

01:58:26.000 I can literally just.

01:58:28.000 I can't do that, but I will tell you this.

01:58:29.000 You can't cry on command?

01:58:30.000 That's why you were never apologizing.

01:58:33.000 Can I tell you a story?

01:58:33.000 Let me tell you a story.

01:58:34.000 I will tell you.

01:58:35.000 I get my book of picture.

01:58:36.000 I get my book of pictures of Troy out, and I'm in floods of tears weeping, so I can fake it, but I can't do what you say. 0.98

01:58:42.000 Let me make every sinister motherfuckers can do. 0.99

01:58:44.000 Let me do this to you, George. 0.98

01:58:45.000 It's my most Most proud sales that I've ever done for homeless shelter resulted in a woman crying in front of me on the street, and she gave $700 per month because she wanted to help.

01:58:45.000 Please.

01:59:00.000 Homeless people would not. 1.00

01:59:01.000 So I did the same kind of, not at the same level.

01:59:04.000 Here was my pitch.

01:59:05.000 Yeah.

01:59:05.000 George was in Hermes.

01:59:06.000 My pitch was this.

01:59:08.000 My pitch, George, I'm going to convince you.

01:59:12.000 I'm going to turn the theatrics.

01:59:15.000 So they give us a script, and everybody knows it.

01:59:18.000 You stand on the balls of your feet, you keep your arms wide, and you say, Hey, you want to talk about the homeless problem in this city?

01:59:25.000 Something like that, right?

01:59:25.000 We need your help.

01:59:27.000 Well, that doesn't work, does it? 0.99

01:59:29.000 So what I did, because I was one of the best, and anybody who's good at this and good at sales knows these stupid scripts don't work. 1.00

01:59:37.000 So what I did was employee idiots and not people like you. 1.00

01:59:37.000 They don't. 1.00

01:59:40.000 Indeed.

01:59:40.000 So they are.

01:59:41.000 So what they tell the entry-level people who don't have the talent, ask everyone and read this verbatim, and you will get two people to sign up.

01:59:49.000 Well, I was doing like 10 people, you know, every couple of hours.

01:59:53.000 So I see a woman walking towards me. 0.99

01:59:54.000 She's older.

01:59:55.000 And I'm on the balls of my feet and I'm holding my clipboard and I wave to her and she gets close to say, hey, would you like to talk to me about the homeless crisis and how you can help?

02:00:03.000 And she goes, sure, what's going on?

02:00:06.000 I said, well, first of all, my name is Tim and I work with Insert Shelter.

02:00:10.000 Now, every, every, I'm sorry, I can't do this.

02:00:16.000 That fast, right into it?

02:00:17.000 I can't do it.

02:00:18.000 They give us this script we're supposed to read.

02:00:21.000 And I'm trying really, really hard.

02:00:24.000 You're frightening.

02:00:25.000 Listen, ma'am, you know there's a homeless problem in this city. 0.87

02:00:29.000 I mean, Los Angeles is the homeless capital of the developed world.

02:00:33.000 And you've seen it, right?

02:00:34.000 And she goes, yes.

02:00:35.000 And I say, okay, I am out here because every day when I walk to work, I see people sleeping under bridges.

02:00:44.000 I see people sleeping on the sidewalk.

02:00:46.000 And I see politicians who don't care.

02:00:51.000 But you stop to talk to me because I think you do care.

02:00:54.000 I want you to do something for me.

02:00:57.000 I want you to close your eyes.

02:01:00.000 Close your eyes.

02:01:01.000 I want you to imagine what it's like to sleep under a bridge.

02:01:05.000 I want you to imagine what it's like.

02:01:06.000 You're cold.

02:01:08.000 And the worst thing is, you know, nobody cares.

02:01:12.000 They walk by you.

02:01:14.000 They have disdain for you.

02:01:15.000 They insult you.

02:01:16.000 It's not your fault.

02:01:17.000 It's not your fault, but they don't listen.

02:01:20.000 No one loves you.

02:01:22.000 Open your eyes.

02:01:24.000 You look up, and in the sunlight, you see a hand reach out and you hear a voice say, I care.

02:01:32.000 I love you.

02:01:34.000 For the first time in a long time, someone actually tells you that they care about you.

02:01:42.000 And you take their hand and they lift you up.

02:01:45.000 And this is where it gets better.

02:01:47.000 I want you to be that hand right now.

02:01:48.000 Will you do that?

02:01:50.000 Will you be the person who finally says, I care?

02:01:54.000 And she started crying.

02:01:55.000 I mean, you're frightening me.

02:01:57.000 I'm the one.

02:01:58.000 I'm like, well, you're the most frightening person I've ever heard.

02:02:01.000 I just saw you.

02:02:02.000 You would get an Oscar, but in Germany, this wouldn't work because we're all very good.

02:02:05.000 Because you're cold, but you're very cold-blooded in Germany. 1.00

02:02:08.000 It's different.

02:02:09.000 No, no, that was frightening because, and you know why it was frightening?

02:02:11.000 I've heard that from so many pulpits by so many preachers because that's the funniest thing is I can actually build churches of tens of thousands of people.

02:02:25.000 Yeah, I don't do it.

02:02:26.000 I don't come on the show and I don't go into the camera and tell people to give me myself.

02:02:29.000 That was really good, by the way.

02:02:30.000 You are frightening.

02:02:31.000 That was very, very good.

02:02:32.000 And this is why I would, you know, you want to hear what me and my buddy, it's funny because Mark is probably here somewhere too.

02:02:38.000 And we would go out with these nonprofits and they would expect within eight hours you could sign up two people.

02:02:44.000 Me, Mark, and another one of our friends would go out for 15 minutes, sign up the people at the quota, and then go home.

02:02:49.000 Then we'd be like, what time do we got to be back at work to check in?

02:02:53.000 And then we'd be playing GTA and we'd take the train back to work, be like, yeah, you know, we got two today.

02:02:57.000 That's quota.

02:02:58.000 And we took us 15 minutes to do.

02:02:59.000 And you know, the frightening thing about it is it hits people with the best hearts the hardest.

02:03:03.000 Indeed.

02:03:04.000 And this is why.

02:03:05.000 Let me tell you one thing.

02:03:08.000 I would have laughed that off when I was gay.

02:03:11.000 Oh, no, Do you think I would pitch you to that if I saw you in West Hollywood?

02:03:17.000 No, no, but I'm saying since I have since I care what happens to me now, spiritually, I've started to care what happens to other people in a way that opens me up to that kind of manipulation.

02:03:28.000 I wouldn't have felt that five years ago.

02:03:28.000 I feel it now.

02:03:30.000 So the first thing you understand in psychological manipulation, social engineering is rapport.

02:03:36.000 It's the most important thing.

02:03:37.000 I get that you wouldn't do that with me because I'm ridiculous looking, but. 0.51

02:03:40.000 And so I would approach you and I would try to, as soon as I see you walking, I would start to imitate your mannerisms.

02:03:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:46.000 I would hear how you talk and I would start to talk like you. 0.99

02:03:48.000 It's fucking terrifying to me. 0.99

02:03:51.000 And, you know, for a while, I thought. 0.99

02:03:53.000 That was a very good thing.

02:03:53.000 Wasn't that a lot?

02:03:57.000 I'm going to say I didn't get there, but if he kept going, I would have got there.

02:03:59.000 And I got to say, it reminds me of Candace.

02:04:01.000 It does.

02:04:04.000 It's Candace's playbook.

02:04:05.000 You're not wrong.

02:04:06.000 And the thing.

02:04:07.000 The correlation.

02:04:08.000 She would be losing if she did not have a predominantly female and extremely feminized audience. 1.00

02:04:13.000 It's true.

02:04:14.000 Somebody that I respect.

02:04:15.000 She wants to be Candace, besides both of you here, especially because you just shot what you're capable of, which apparently he's not using for a good reason, is Tucker Carlton.

02:04:15.000 Well, nothing.

02:04:23.000 I appreciate a lot.

02:04:24.000 Could you imagine he's friends with?

02:04:27.000 I would like to retract my earlier statements that I was mad that you did not give me the chance to date you.

02:04:31.000 But are you saying Tucker's bad?

02:04:34.000 I still love it.

02:04:35.000 Wait, wait, are you think Tucker's bad?

02:04:36.000 Is that your opinion?

02:04:37.000 Yeah, she is.

02:04:37.000 So I'm just going to do this from now on.

02:04:40.000 I'm going to the rest of the Tucker.

02:04:41.000 We're going to the restroom.

02:04:41.000 Actually, we're wrapping up.

02:04:43.000 We're going to wrap up now.

02:04:44.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:04:44.000 I know we didn't get to super chats, guys, but this was kind of a therapy session.

02:04:48.000 This was a very important show for me and for you. 1.00

02:04:50.000 And you're fucking frightening. 0.99

02:04:53.000 But you know, people talk so much shit about this guy, but the fact that you're not doing that when you could is people will have noticed that. 1.00

02:05:01.000 I will say this. 0.98

02:05:03.000 I did start watching your podcast over the last year.

02:05:06.000 I was not a listener.

02:05:08.000 And I've come to like a lot of your platform and the guests and the conversations you have.

02:05:13.000 I love that.

02:05:13.000 I was so excited to talk about airplanes today.

02:05:17.000 And I was so excited to talk about Supreme Court.

02:05:19.000 Hold on, Milo. 1.00

02:05:20.000 You hogged up all the fucking air. 1.00

02:05:22.000 Relax. 1.00

02:05:23.000 I guess that answers the question in the pre-show about who is going to dominate the show now.

02:05:26.000 No, so that's fine. 0.99

02:05:27.000 at least I got the green room bit because Jesus but my point is I appreciate it I never duplicated the OG, the queen, that bitch. 1.00

02:05:36.000 Won't shut up. 0.99

02:05:36.000 Thank you for giving me the crown because this ain't never coming on. 0.99

02:05:39.000 Okay, great.

02:05:40.000 Your paper crown's very deserved.

02:05:42.000 So my point is, I just want to say thank you for your candor because what you just displayed is what you could be doing.

02:05:48.000 And you choose every single day to come on here.

02:05:50.000 You're really frightening.

02:05:51.000 Not do it, right?

02:05:52.000 Which takes a lot more. 0.91

02:05:53.000 And trust me, as somebody who's been the king of bullshit at one point myself, and I have the wherewithal to say, I have the wherewithal to sit here and tell you that.

02:06:03.000 I appreciate you for being an honest broker when so many people are choosing dishonesty. 0.88

02:06:08.000 So many people are choosing sensationalism and so many people are fracturing the base that we need to keep unified more so now than ever before.

02:06:16.000 I'm not saying it's the most consequential election.

02:06:19.000 I just want to say, Tim, thank you.

02:06:21.000 Literally, thank you.

02:06:22.000 And I know I say that on behalf of a lot.

02:06:24.000 I've always seen in him, people say, Tim Poole, really.

02:06:26.000 I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

02:06:28.000 I'm telling you.

02:06:29.000 It could be Candace Owens or not. 0.98

02:06:31.000 If people talk mad shit about you, and I'm like, no, That's my, that's my go. 0.93

02:06:37.000 Thank you for that. 0.93

02:06:38.000 I feel the same way.

02:06:38.000 I could have.

02:06:40.000 But you know what?

02:06:40.000 I feel the same way.

02:06:41.000 You endorsed every word I just said.

02:06:42.000 You heard that, right?

02:06:44.000 Well, my own original idea that you must have seen on my phone and repeated then was, yeah, sure.

02:06:49.000 Okay.

02:06:50.000 I kind of heard it said, but anyway.

02:06:52.000 No, thank you for that.

02:06:53.000 It was well expressed and correct.

02:06:54.000 There you go.

02:06:55.000 You can have that.

02:06:56.000 Ladies and gentlemen, let's do final thoughts, wrap up.

02:06:59.000 You're uncomfortable with compliments, aren't you?

02:07:01.000 No, no, no, no.

02:07:01.000 I want to make sure everybody can shout everything out because it's over.

02:07:04.000 Are you really not?

02:07:05.000 I think you are.

02:07:06.000 Uncomfortable with compliments?

02:07:07.000 Yeah.

02:07:07.000 No, it's the moment after, if you keep looking at him, he's like, do you want something from me?

02:07:11.000 Like, what?

02:07:12.000 Walk away, dude.

02:07:12.000 Give me the compliment.

02:07:13.000 Everybody, I apologize that we didn't get to chats and rants and all that stuff.

02:07:16.000 But the point is, when it got into the when Milo and I started having this conversation, it actually, the cameras melted away.

02:07:23.000 We changed it.

02:07:24.000 And I hope people listened to what we said.

02:07:27.000 I think it was a very important conversation.

02:07:30.000 What has changed is that two people going at each other's throats on the internet, I now see as two well-intentioned people talking past each other, maybe with different visions of how to go, maybe with incorrect ideas about one another.

02:07:42.000 But I think you are a profoundly good person, a man of good moral character.

02:07:48.000 I believe that she is a woman of good moral character.

02:07:51.000 So that's what we've gone.

02:07:52.000 We've turned, in a way, it's an evolution from a conflict to a tragedy in a way.

02:07:59.000 When they came for you and they canceled you, the words of these people mean nothing to me.

02:08:06.000 I knew who you are.

02:08:07.000 I knew you represented.

02:08:08.000 Sometimes I've had some criticisms.

02:08:10.000 Sometimes I think you've done great.

02:08:11.000 I think you've largely done great.

02:08:13.000 And we write one of the show because I don't care what anyone else thinks.

02:08:16.000 We bring on the people that we think have something easy to do.

02:08:18.000 He did it when it wasn't easy. 0.89

02:08:21.000 I don't want to shit on anybody who's done it recently, but he did it when it wasn't easy.

02:08:24.000 So, my friend, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. 0.60

02:08:26.000 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast.

02:08:29.000 How about that?

02:08:30.000 Where can people find you or follow you?

02:08:32.000 You can find me on Twitter.

02:08:33.000 It's at Negro but the G is Silent. 0.91

02:08:36.000 Oh my God.

02:08:39.000 You act like you're surprised when he does this. 0.99

02:08:41.000 The thing is, I'm sitting here thinking I'm going to get fucking canceled with this lunatic, and I love him. 0.98

02:08:46.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

02:08:47.000 I am sorry.

02:08:48.000 I am terribly sorry. 0.99

02:08:49.000 What the fuck? 0.98

02:08:50.000 I've never been canceled. 1.00

02:08:52.000 You went to prison.

02:08:52.000 Okay.

02:08:53.000 You went to jail!

02:08:55.000 And I wasn't socially canceled.

02:08:57.000 Society went to play the jury.

02:08:59.000 I'm canceled.

02:09:00.000 By lawyers, there was no jury.

02:09:02.000 Jurisprudence.

02:09:04.000 By a slumbering oxygenarian who claimed never to go to the beach. 0.91

02:09:07.000 You are canceled from human civilization.

02:09:09.000 Milo, do you, do you, do you, or anywhere else aside from Twitter, whether you are at Nero? 0.53

02:09:14.000 No, I'm bad for everything else.

02:09:15.000 Okay.

02:09:16.000 George, Santos on Twitter.

02:09:18.000 I'm just going to keep this very simple.

02:09:20.000 He's got his handle.

02:09:22.000 I just got my handle.

02:09:23.000 It's not fake if you see it.

02:09:24.000 They did the whole handle thing and it worked.

02:09:27.000 I got drawn photos, so it's pretty cool.

02:09:29.000 I do want to say, Milo, I love you.

02:09:31.000 I love you.

02:09:32.000 I disagree with fundamentally most of what you said today, and that's okay. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Tim, thank you for having me.

02:09:37.000 And I'm still invited to a lot of people aren't.

02:09:39.000 Shameless plug, by the way.

02:09:41.000 I expect to see Tim there, but Tim and ours.

02:09:43.000 Well, you were invited.

02:09:44.000 You just missed it.

02:09:45.000 A lot of people are not invited to join us.

02:09:47.000 Anyway, real quick, December 9th, I'll be hosting the first of what will be a tradition of Santos Claus in D.C.

02:09:53.000 And lastly, I do want to say, don't forget to go on cameo.com and book your Christmas cameo because they are going fast.

02:10:00.000 I will say this: I can't imagine anybody that would be more of a delight for literally anyone, literally anyone, than Cameo from George Santos.

02:10:08.000 Like, you're such, you're exactly that person.

02:10:11.000 Hey, Tim just started cameo.

02:10:13.000 I mean, I'm even tempted.

02:10:14.000 Well, I got one.

02:10:15.000 That's good.

02:10:16.000 We should book Tim Paul on cameo.

02:10:18.000 I'm even tempted.

02:10:19.000 I'm even tempted to book you for a few friends of mine.

02:10:21.000 But just, you know, because I don't like getting freebies from friends.

02:10:25.000 Fine, please do book your children.

02:10:26.000 I will take in my name.

02:10:27.000 Oh, I know you.

02:10:27.000 All right.

02:10:28.000 We got to get the shout-outs through.

02:10:29.000 Naomi.

02:10:30.000 Naomi, allow me.

02:10:33.000 She's at Naomi Psyched on Twitter, which will need to be. 0.83

02:10:36.000 Sorry?

02:10:37.000 This is absolutely correct.

02:10:38.000 Which will need to be on the screen in order for you to be able to spell it.

02:10:38.000 Yes.

02:10:40.000 So, there's no point me telling you because it's IBT.

02:10:43.000 It's Naomi that Miller Problems. 0.80

02:10:45.000 She is, despite her terrible opinions, still one of the prettiest girls in politics.

02:10:50.000 Thank you so much.

02:10:51.000 I think I have a lot of great opinions that you actually agree with.

02:10:53.000 And I have been under the same thing.

02:10:54.000 I'm sorry we didn't hear any of them.

02:10:55.000 Nothing can damage my self-esteem in the foreseeable future.

02:10:59.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

02:11:00.000 Like, you were one of those three or four women where I was like, if only this was going a bit faster.

02:11:04.000 Like, you know, like, if only this next gay thing was happening a bit faster, I'd be like, I would totally scoop that up. 1.00

02:11:10.000 So, so, you know, you can take that with you to the bank.

02:11:13.000 Hey, guys, good convo.

02:11:15.000 And the semantic misinterpretations, I thought, where it was like the difference between spreading misinformation and actively lying when you know it's misinformation is very different.

02:11:25.000 And once you get become a tool for that machine and spread false information and you realize it's happening to you, I understand why you're sensitive to seeing other people potentially spreading false information.

02:11:34.000 Whether they're lying or not, I don't know.

02:11:36.000 But I really appreciate you guys all coming in here and talking about this.

02:11:38.000 Where can I find you?

02:11:39.000 At Ian Crossland.

02:11:40.000 And I think a lot of people are in emotional static shock from Charlie's death.

02:11:46.000 It's not going to, it didn't resolve itself in six months.

02:11:50.000 So keep that in mind with this.

02:11:52.000 I am Phil that remains on Twix.

02:11:54.000 The band is all that remains this weekend.

02:11:56.000 You can check out all that remains on Rocks.

02:11:58.000 We'll lead you into this.

02:11:59.000 It's going to be from the band everything.

02:12:01.000 It's going to be two songs from our most eminent record called Anti-Fragile.

02:12:04.000 Songs are Let You Go and Divine Syndrome.

02:12:08.000 December COVID Leafy.

02:12:11.000 You can check out all the remains stuff on Rocks on PC mobile or basement in Germany.

02:12:16.000 Hey, check out the band.

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