Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 12, 2026


DC Shooter Invoked Luigi Mangione In Shooting, Delay Deny Defend

Democrats TAKE Mississippi, GOP CONCEDES, Trump WINS Petrodollar War

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00:00:01 Thank you.
00:02:33 Today in Washington, D.C., a man went into a gym, shot several people, killed one person.
00:02:39 Another woman is in critical condition.
00:02:41 We're not, we'll have to check the latest update on the condition of this individual.
00:02:44 Now, when this story first broke, it seemed like just another tragic shooting incident.
00:02:49 New information came out during the day, throughout the day, that this man was aggrieved by building management and a legal dispute, which again still seemed kind of just like a strange local story.
00:03:00 And then more individuals who had gone through his social media.
00:03:04 A witness testimony from the shooting, as well as someone who interviewed him, they put out information where it gets a bit more interesting.
00:03:10 This man had invoked Luigi Mangione, referred to the people that he was aggrieved by as Luigi, as referred to them as using Luigi 3 or Luigi tactics.
00:03:21 And then after the shooting, a witness said that he said to all of them, in order to make people pay attention, you have to do something.
00:03:31 It appears that this guy's seemingly personal grievance.
00:03:38 Drove him to killing and shooting innocent people as well as the person he was in.
00:03:44 They're all innocent, but he targeted the building manager, who he was in dispute with, and innocent construction workers because he did not like the construction.
00:03:53 And it appears, I think it's fair to say, based on his invocation of Luigi Mangione, that this is part of the Mangione effect.
00:04:00 This is what we warned about and what we feared.
00:04:04 And I'm going to stress this is not like he targeted the CEO.
00:04:07 But this is what was so particularly scary about people granting sainthood, literally making sainthood candles to Mangione.
00:04:15 Luigi was aggrieved, allegedly, by the healthcare companies.
00:04:20 So he decided to shoot and kill a healthcare CEO, a man who he felt represented what oppressed him, who he was aggrieved by. 0.69
00:04:29 This guy in D.C. similarly seems to have been inspired by Luigi Mangione to shoot and kill people because he felt aggrieved.
00:04:38 What is scary about what happened with the left, with their support of Luigi Mangione, is that that is a guy going after a CEO.
00:04:49 What's terrifying is when people decide to be like Luigi and start killing people who they feel have aggrieved them because it's not going to be fought in some faraway land.
00:04:59 It's going to be in your gym, it's going to be your next door neighbor.
00:05:03 It's going to be a guy who says, my building manager.
00:05:07 And what's crazy about it is, For most people in this country, the actions of an individual building manager in DC are inconsequential.
00:05:15 But to this man who felt like his life was being ruined, it was Luigi Mangione.
00:05:22 And so he went to a gym, shot several people, including construction workers who were completely uninvolved in the dispute because he was upset that the construction was part of what was making it hard for him to live in DC.
00:05:34 A man who owned a million dollar condo, who was an emergency room doctor.
00:05:42 This is not some poor leftist activist.
00:05:46 This seems to be an upper middle class guy of means and wealth who decided he would kill people over a civil dispute.
00:05:55 That is the fear of the Mangione effect.
00:05:56 And we're going to talk about that.
00:05:58 We do have other really big news, including Jensen Wang of Nvidia resigning the announcement earlier this morning and the news breaking of a third affair and how this is going to affect the AI industry.
00:06:09 Of course, it's not the affair that people care about, it's that he's potentially having an affair with a Chinese spy.
00:06:17 Which is particularly strange.
00:06:18 And then, of course, we've got some fun news.
00:06:20 Hegseth gives an award to the soldier who reprimanded him and his crew as they laughed at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
00:06:26 That's very, very cool.
00:06:27 We'll talk about that and a lot more, of course.
00:06:29 Make sure you smash the like button.
00:06:30 We've got a couple people joining us today.
00:06:32 We'll just start with you, sir.
00:06:33 Do you want to introduce yourself?
00:06:34 Yeah, thank you, Tim.
00:06:35 Thanks for having me here.
00:06:36 I am Robert Gouvea.
00:06:38 I am a lawyer and a live streamer.
00:06:39 We do a show called Watching the Watchers Live.
00:06:41 We talk about lawfare, political cases, prosecution, Supreme Court news, and we're live every day.
00:06:47 Right on.
00:06:48 And then we actually have an anomaly a winning Republican.
00:06:51 Thanks for having me on, Tim.
00:06:54 I'm the Wyoming Secretary of State and an incoming member of Congress elected to Wyoming's at large district.
00:06:54 I'm Chuck Gray.
00:07:00 We get one member of Congress.
00:07:03 In Wyoming, a member of the House, and really excited to be on and to talk about what I hope to do and accomplish in Congress to represent the people of Wyoming.
00:07:13 Absolutely.
00:07:13 Should be great.
00:07:14 Good to have you.
00:07:14 You got the boys hanging out.
00:07:15 Yeah, I hope to talk about Jensen's Wang.
00:07:17 Wait, was that what his name was?
00:07:18 Wang?
00:07:19 I thought you said you want to talk about Jensen's Wangs?
00:07:21 Jensen's Wang is what I mentioned.
00:07:22 Okay.
00:07:22 At the after show.
00:07:23 It's good to see you guys.
00:07:24 I always feel like this is like 9 11 for Ian.
00:07:27 It's big time.
00:07:27 I hope he joins space.
00:07:28 We'll go into it on the show, but I'm just.
00:07:30 When Ian came in, he was crying.
00:07:31 Yeah, my heart's beating fast.
00:07:33 When are you starting Congress?
00:07:35 January 3rd.
00:07:36 Homie.
00:07:37 All right. 1.00
00:07:37 Constitution says. 1.00
00:07:38 Love it.
00:07:40 I'm Phil.
00:07:40 What's up, everybody?
00:07:41 How are you and Carter over there?
00:07:42 Dude, I'm doing good.
00:07:43 I'm pumped to have you both.
00:07:45 Watch your show a lot, as I said.
00:07:48 And Ian, Phillip, Chuck, Sam, let's go.
00:07:50 Yeah, and also, I do want to mention this real quick, too.
00:07:53 We definitely got to get into the story of the massive Microsoft crash as well as ancillary services.
00:07:57 So I heard that AWS was down, too.
00:07:58 Is that true?
00:07:59 I didn't hear about AWS, but I know Outlook was.
00:08:01 Outlook was for sure, yeah.
00:08:03 But I believe other mail services, and it's been down since this morning, and it's just broken.
00:08:08 Yeah, my business.
00:08:09 Is this it?
00:08:10 Is like the AI apocalypse happening?
00:08:11 Oh, not yet.
00:08:12 But my business manager in Jersey was like, I can't get anything done.
00:08:12 No.
00:08:16 So all that remains is I put on hold today.
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00:08:47 Let's jump into the news.
00:08:48 This is the breaking story from today.
00:08:49 We've got this from the AP.
00:08:50 Five people shot in D.C., including one killed at a gym, and then suspect kills himself.
00:08:58 They say a man in a long running dispute over the conditions of his penthouse condo gunned down the building manager in a busy gym Thursday before fleeing and shooting four more people from his patio in just minutes, shocking a popular capital neighborhood.
00:09:10 Now, this happened less than a mile away from us.
00:09:13 Which is what's really crazy about us.
00:09:15 I'm here in the morning.
00:09:16 I'm working as I do.
00:09:17 And sure enough, we get these reports that, like 0.8 of a mile away, there's this standoff.
00:09:23 They say Matt Lambert, a 55 year old doctor, fatally shot himself while holed up in his apartment where he had been speaking by phone with police negotiators, said Jeffrey Carroll, interim chief with the Metro PD.
00:09:33 Lambert was locked in a rancorous litigation with management over mold and moisture problems in his seventh floor unit.
00:09:40 Mayor Muriel Bowser said she was devastated at the loss of life in a senseless act of violence.
00:09:44 Now, here's where it gets interesting.
00:09:46 CBS News.
00:09:47 Social media account linked to DC shooter complained of disrepair, invoked man who killed healthcare CEO.
00:09:54 In fact, he invoked Luigi Mangione, referring to what these guys were doing as Luigi tactics delay, deny, defend by an HOA.
00:10:06 This is where it gets absolutely crazy. 0.60
00:10:08 It gets crazier.
00:10:09 In an interview, the Washington Sun published this guy talking about this butte.
00:10:14 Again, made references to Luigi Tactics and Luigi Mangione.
00:10:19 So, you know what was on his mind.
00:10:21 And the craziest thing about it this is a 55 year old doctor.
00:10:25 This is not a man who was broke, who was poor, who was a DSA left wing lunatic, Antifa none of that.
00:10:31 This is a guy in a civil dispute who decided he was going to be inspired by Luigi Mangione.
00:10:37 Check this out.
00:10:38 They say the gunshots were heard by Cheryl Ferguson, a building manager for the Metropole condos, who told the Washington Post she then saw people screaming and running away as one bystander yelled somebody was shot in the head.
00:10:50 At that point, Ferguson said she ushered panicked residents into her office and began calling everyone she knew who lived there, including Lambert, who picked up at around 9 a.m.
00:10:59 When she then asked whether he was okay, She said the doctor replied that he was tired of the mold and water damage in the unit, which she said rendered it unlivable.
00:11:08 Quote, the only way people will pay attention, you have to do something.
00:11:13 Ferguson remembered him saying.
00:11:14 He then confessed to shooting five people, including one of her co workers.
00:11:18 I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
00:11:20 I tried to calm myself down and get as much info from him as I could and keep him on the phone.
00:11:25 But Lambert had barricaded himself inside his penthouse apartment at 1515 15th Street above the gym.
00:11:31 While inside, he set off the sprinkler system, started a fire, and complained on the phone to a neighbor.
00:11:36 Another property manager and police negotiator is about his feud with the building.
00:11:40 He also wounded four random people on the ground, whom he fired on from his balcony before eventually turning the gun on himself.
00:11:48 At least one of the injured is in critical condition, while three others suffered non life threatening injuries.
00:11:53 Police forced themselves into the building where Lambert reportedly shot at the police twice through the door.
00:11:58 Negotiators spoke with him for roughly an hour before they heard a gunshot.
00:12:01 Once inside, they found him with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
00:12:05 It has since been revealed that Lambert had a long running feud with Metropole Condominium Association.
00:12:09 Which operates the luxury residential tower on 15th Street.
00:12:12 I'm sorry.
00:12:14 I don't think it's a guarantee that this guy, like, were it not, I don't think that Luigi Mangione is the 100% absolute reason why he did this.
00:12:25 The concern we've had since the left has lionized and candidized Mangione is that things like this will happen.
00:12:32 It's not that you're going to get a leftist going out and hunting down CEOs.
00:12:36 Yes, that's concerning too, or disconcerting.
00:12:39 It's when regular people. 0.92
00:12:41 Think about who agrees them and then invoke Luigi Mangione and then go shoot random people. 0.62
00:12:48 Mangione targeted a random guy.
00:12:50 He was the CEO who was running a healthcare company because allegedly, he allegedly did.
00:12:55 We'll see what happens in the trial, but that's what they've said so far.
00:12:58 And it was because the insurance company was delay, denying, and defending against his claims.
00:13:04 This guy says the exact same thing that those people were delay, denying, and defending.
00:13:09 So he decided to be like Luigi.
00:13:11 I don't see how it's any other way.
00:13:13 He literally says, They're doing the Luigi tactics and then goes and shoots random people.
00:13:17 Luigi Mangione was licensed for people that feel aggrieved to act on that perceived grievance.
00:13:26 That's all it is.
00:13:27 Mangione himself wasn't a kid that came from no means.
00:13:31 He wasn't super poor.
00:13:34 I don't know that he was extremely wealthy, but he definitely wasn't super poor.
00:13:38 He didn't come from a background where he struggled all his life.
00:13:44 But because of his circumstances with his back, he felt like.
00:13:47 He was entitled to go and take the life of the CEO of United Healthcare.
00:13:54 This guy, a doctor living in a penthouse apartment in D.C., I don't know exactly what that cost, but I imagine it's on the order of.
00:14:02 It was a million dollar condo.
00:14:03 It was a million dollar.
00:14:04 1.1 million.
00:14:04 Well, there you go.
00:14:06 And the guy felt like he was entitled to go and shoot multiple people.
00:14:12 And the construction workers were definitely not making the same kind of money.
00:14:17 So it was just someone that was taking.
00:14:19 The opportunity or taking what he felt was a grievance to someone else.
00:14:25 And I mean, you know, he took, he killed himself.
00:14:29 So, I'm sorry.
00:14:30 I'm sorry.
00:14:30 Random people out through his window.
00:14:32 Yeah, it's horrible.
00:14:33 But that's part of where we're at.
00:14:34 People feel like they are entitled or they have been aggrieved, so they have the right to do something about that grievance.
00:14:43 And it's a bad sign for the United States.
00:14:46 Here's what's really scary to me about this I'm less concerned about the far left going around and walking into a gym and shooting somebody in the head.
00:14:55 Because the left, for the most part, the organizers have concerns about public perception and how they can gain power through various institutions, which means.
00:15:04 If a guy in an Antifa suit waving an Antifa flag went and did this, it'd be the biggest story in the world.
00:15:09 And you would immediately have Trump announcing anti terror efforts against all Antifa, which he's done to a certain degree.
00:15:15 This is why the left is they plan and they avoid doing things this overt.
00:15:21 The problem is when the left canonizes or lionizes a psychopathic murderer, it's not the fringe far left that will organize a rally and then go shoot people. 0.97
00:15:32 It's random lunatics.
00:15:34 That have been told by our institutions and society that what Mangione did was good.
00:15:39 Like when Charlie Day was doing promotion for the Super Mario Brothers movie and was asked who's his favorite Luigi, he went, Mangione?
00:15:47 And everybody was like, bro.
00:15:49 And it's almost like that was the intention of the question.
00:15:52 Because what other Luigi is there?
00:15:54 All of these leftists that were celebrating Mangione were dressing up like Luigi from the video game.
00:15:59 Yeah, they have a lot of protection too.
00:16:01 We just covered a case out of Portland.
00:16:02 You remember the Antifa attacks on the ice facilities?
00:16:05 They were.
00:16:07 They're in a siege for weeks on end, and they were lighting things on fire, ripping plywood off, destroying security cameras.
00:16:16 And they actually had judges that were issuing orders that were protecting them.
00:16:21 So these ICE agents couldn't deploy tear gas, couldn't shoot pepper balls, and the judges were limiting ICE from doing that.
00:16:29 That just went up on appeal and that just got reversed.
00:16:32 But the point is, they've got, as you mentioned, Tim, this institutional protection.
00:16:35 You've got, in certain favorable jurisdictions, The judges who are actually kind of endorsing this.
00:16:41 These people are lauded as heroes.
00:16:43 They will share clips like any other content creator, and those get spread around.
00:16:49 They get tons of views and they're lifted up.
00:16:51 The National Lawyers Guild will defend these people pro bono.
00:16:55 They take donations, but the National Lawyers Guild is essentially the legal arm of Antifa or the legal arm of the left.
00:17:02 Antifa would be the militant arm.
00:17:04 They have a lot of organization.
00:17:06 My funny story is I was in Boston and I've actually provided material evidence for.
00:17:12 The National Lawyers Guild, in various circumstances, because I'd been filming and live streaming various protests.
00:17:16 And so there were a couple instances where they're like, we need your footage.
00:17:18 And I was like, yeah, for sure.
00:17:20 And then I was in Boston and there was a right wing march that was announced.
00:17:23 So the left showed up to physically attack the people on the right because the people on the right were just in a park.
00:17:27 And the National Lawyers Guild was only on one side.
00:17:30 And I saw them and I was like, how come you guys are only over here?
00:17:32 And they were like, what do you mean?
00:17:33 And I said, well, how come you're not observing the other side?
00:17:35 And they were like, what do you mean?
00:17:38 And then I literally was like, yeah, you're just watching the left.
00:17:41 Like, don't you want to watch the right?
00:17:43 And they were like, no.
00:17:46 The reason why they watch the left is because they're there to provide false witness on behalf of the extremists if the police arrest them.
00:17:54 So they can give their interpretation and then accuse the police of wrongdoing as a third party.
00:17:59 And the people who brought that lawsuit to stop ICE from using any non lethal munitions were journalists that were embedded with the attackers.
00:18:07 And so they were right next to them, essentially.
00:18:10 So then they went out and they said, well, if you are shooting pepper balls at us or deploying tear gas, you're infringing on our First Amendment rights.
00:18:17 And so they're embedded, and the lower level judge.
00:18:20 Issued TRO blocked.
00:18:21 Because the judge is an activist too, and the judge is lying.
00:18:23 100%.
00:18:24 And then ICE gets blocked, and that goes on for months and months, and you have to go up to the Court of Appeals, and it's like this insurgency that's building.
00:18:30 And the last time I was on your show, Tim, September 10th, 2025, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
00:18:36 And here we are, over a year later, that trial, it's just on a standstill.
00:18:44 We have to have law and order in our society, and it's not happening.
00:18:47 And you're doing great work in covering this increasing trend, this evil, and we've got to have a law and order to combat it.
00:18:57 What happens now that the Democrats have just taken one of the biggest majorities in generations?
00:19:03 It's a big problem.
00:19:04 We've been talking about it in the freshman Republican class, and we need to have an answer with policies that are going to improve the livelihoods of the American people.
00:19:15 This was a real message that was sent last week, and we're prepared to do that in the Republican conference.
00:19:22 I'm excited about this opportunity.
00:19:24 We're going to take back the majority.
00:19:26 We're going, the pendulum always shifts a little bit, Tim.
00:19:28 I mean, you've covered this for a long time.
00:19:31 And I think this is an opportunity.
00:19:33 Jim Jordan being elected Republican leader, I mean, that's a big deal.
00:19:37 I mean, Tim, we're similar ages, you're a little bit older than me.
00:19:40 I mean, you remember Jim Jordan back in 2010, 2011.
00:19:43 I mean, the idea that he would become the Republican leader of the Congress.
00:19:48 I mean, yeah, but it's after they lost a tremendous amount of power and can't do anything.
00:19:53 But it paves the way when we take the majority for him to become Speaker.
00:19:56 Are they going to re elect him if the Republicans take the majority?
00:19:59 Are they going to elect him?
00:20:00 Oh, if we take back the majority and Jim Jordan's.
00:20:02 The leader of that, he will be elected speaker.
00:20:04 I mean, you still have John Thune, though.
00:20:06 It's like, you know, people have said this a million times that the Republican Party, the Washington generals to the Democrats, Harlem Globetrotters.
00:20:13 It's like they finally win.
00:20:15 They win in 2016, nothing gets done.
00:20:17 They win in 24, nothing gets done.
00:20:19 To be fair, Trump got some things done, but Congress could have done a lot, but they refused to get rid of the filibuster.
00:20:24 And now you got Tellerico coming in saying he's going to get rid of the filibuster.
00:20:28 Well, one of the problems that Republicans have, and it's a math problem, is that Our ceiling is much lower than the Democrats.
00:20:36 I mean, you look at 2006, 2008, they're hitting 2008 levels here in the 2026 election.
00:20:44 Their ceilings are much higher.
00:20:47 And they've competed in 44 of 50 states.
00:20:49 You mean, what if they have a stronger majority or what?
00:20:50 Exactly.
00:20:52 They've competed in 44 states.
00:20:53 They've won 44 of 50 states.
00:20:58 Their senators have been Democrats in the last 30 years, at least one.
00:21:02 Republicans are.
00:21:03 Way lower than that.
00:21:04 So, what they're able to accomplish, I'm afraid it's a little bit of a math issue because they get these bigger majorities.
00:21:13 That's something that we got to work on.
00:21:15 And ultimately, I think with Jordan in the lead, I think that we'll be able to win the messaging war and the pendulum will shift.
00:21:22 Yeah, for sure.
00:21:23 It's technology.
00:21:24 The solution is in tech, like graphene, which I didn't hear Trump talk about.
00:21:27 We re industrialized this country with graphene.
00:21:30 I mean, we're pivoted, we're the United States.
00:21:32 We have the best economy in the world.
00:21:33 So, we can rebuild our roads.
00:21:33 We can do it.
00:21:35 And put graphene in the roads, make them last two times longer, two and a half times longer.
00:21:40 The amount of money that we'll save as a country, the amount of time that we'll save as a people.
00:21:43 Like, if Republicans get invigorated about technological advancement and how it's dollar by dollar going to change people's lives, that's going to get people hyped, bro.
00:21:53 Hyped.
00:21:54 Well, technology, but also all of the industries that we have lost over time as this country has been deindustrialized and it needs to be reindustrialized.
00:22:03 I mean, I give two examples in my state coal.
00:22:07 We can't even get access to markets for our coal because all of the West Coast states block our ability to export our coal.
00:22:14 We haven't had a coal fired power plant in this nation in decades.
00:22:19 So the domestic demand has been drying up.
00:22:22 That needs to be reversed.
00:22:23 We make a product called soda ash, which is in glass.
00:22:27 China has been dumping this synthetic soda ash product that they make onto the market and basically distorting the market so that our soda ash mines are possibly going to be closing.
00:22:40 We need to go industry by industry and tell the stories because there are different industries in every single state, every single congressional district, and tell these stories about how left wing policies are preventing our country from reaching.
00:22:53 Our full potential.
00:22:54 The coal is interesting because you can upscale coal into graphene and then use it for computer materials and things.
00:22:59 And like the Democrats say, they say dirty.
00:23:01 They're big about coal.
00:23:02 They don't want coal because it's dirty, bad for the environment.
00:23:05 So you mine it and then you turn it into something that is good for the environment, graphene.
00:23:09 So when people realize that, there will be a confluence of efforts to get that stuff out of the ground.
00:23:14 I don't think that's going to happen before AI takes over everything and makes it nice.
00:23:19 And isn't the point of getting it like the value of coal right now, isn't it to be able to burn for power?
00:23:25 Because the point of Of looking for more power to.
00:23:28 But there's advanced manufacturing uses too.
00:23:30 Sure, sure.
00:23:31 We talked about that in the northern part of our state.
00:23:33 Actually, that's a great point.
00:23:34 I mean, there's a lot of uses for coal.
00:23:38 I mean, there's coal bricks.
00:23:39 You know, you can, we're trying to market those.
00:23:43 We need to talk about all of our industries and how left wing policies have prevented them from reaching their full potentials.
00:23:50 You need to figure out, Ian, how to convert carbon dioxide into graphene.
00:23:54 Yes, you can do that.
00:23:55 And what you do is when you burn the coal, you capture.
00:23:57 The waste materials, which includes carbon dioxide, and then the burning of the coal actually produces graphene.
00:24:02 There's multiple ways to turn carbon dioxide into graphene.
00:24:04 You strip the carbon basically off of the oxygen.
00:24:07 Now you have pure carbon.
00:24:09 You hexagonally lattice into carbon.
00:24:10 But I think one way to do it is you turn it into methane and then you turn the methane into graphene.
00:24:14 But you could probably ask ChatGPT and pull up five different ways.
00:24:17 He's the card carrying member of the coal caucus.
00:24:20 We bring him to our coal caucus.
00:24:21 Carbon is the most valuable.
00:24:22 One of the most valuable.
00:24:23 Yes, let's do it.
00:24:25 I'm making a documentary on graphene right now.
00:24:26 It's graphene.movie.
00:24:28 And we just.
00:24:28 We're turning the website into a video game where you can go to Rice University in the website and it can be tweeted.
00:24:34 Yeah, you'll get all the weirdos and all the technologists and all the cool people.
00:24:36 If you can get them out, all the cool kids.
00:24:38 If you can get them actually out to vote.
00:24:41 And also, hydrogen is a byproduct, which you can capture and sell when you make graphene.
00:24:45 It's fascinating.
00:24:46 There's a lot of different ways to produce it, to synthesize it.
00:24:48 But really, like getting the carbon dioxide, you got to be careful about not taking too much carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere because we're competing with trees and we don't want to destroy it.
00:24:55 So we're going to have to build like a 40 year plan of how much carbon.
00:24:59 We should take out of the air as we go forward.
00:25:04 Well, there's the real issue, right?
00:25:06 So you're talking about coal, but the liberal wing of the party says coal's bad.
00:25:11 Like carbon, greenhouse gases are bad.
00:25:12 We can't do it.
00:25:13 They will do anything to prevent us from burning coal.
00:25:17 I mean, even when we want to export our coal to foreign countries that are burning dirtier Chinese coal, they won't allow that to happen. 0.98
00:25:24 And that needs to be pointed out because they are nihilists and they want their sort of wind. 0.99
00:25:31 Solar nightmares to become reality.
00:25:34 Well, I mean, I don't feel like that's a good way.
00:25:38 I don't feel like that articulates the position they're stating.
00:25:42 And I feel like that's a bit surface level.
00:25:44 What is the actual reason Democrats are saying we can't have coal?
00:25:48 I think it's because they actually believe that it causes greenhouse gases to.
00:25:52 Yeah, but if that was the case, then they'd be like, the bigger problem is China. 0.81
00:25:55 I don't think they would because they're looking to control the United States.
00:25:58 In which case, again, it's not because they believe in greenhouse gases because they want to control the United States.
00:26:02 Fair enough.
00:26:02 Fair enough.
00:26:03 Fair enough.
00:26:03 The fracking.
00:26:04 If Democrats actually were like, Burning coal will make climate change happen.
00:26:08 They'd be like, we have to sanction India and China.
00:26:10 Yeah, there's a whole lobby behind wind, solar, other so called renewables.
00:26:16 They actually spent a bunch of money.
00:26:18 Alternative.
00:26:19 Well, is that the latest?
00:26:21 No, because that's the truth.
00:26:22 Renewable is a liberal buzzword.
00:26:25 I just, you know, I say this all due respect.
00:26:26 Republicans always take the liberals' framing of things.
00:26:29 It's true.
00:26:30 So when they call it a renewable source, it's certainly not.
00:26:32 Wind turbines blow up, they wear down.
00:26:35 They don't work.
00:26:35 They require.
00:26:36 You need, like, what, a barrel of lubricant every day or some ridiculous number?
00:26:41 And look what happens.
00:26:42 That's petroleum based chemicals to lubricate a wind turbine.
00:26:45 If I understand correctly, more petroleum products go into building and maintaining a wind farm than they will ever.
00:26:53 Offset by this.
00:26:54 This is called energy return on energy invested, and wind and solar are just ridiculously low.
00:27:00 You know, I was talking to scientists at Rice.
00:27:00 It is sad.
00:27:02 It's sad to burn coal because it's so valuable, turning it into more usable materials.
00:27:06 I was like, could you burn graphene for fuel?
00:27:08 He was like, yeah, you wouldn't want to, though, because it's so valuable, you know.
00:27:11 But coal's so valuable.
00:27:13 I know there's concerns about fracking because they would inject strange chemicals into the ground to shake it up, to break it up, to get the coal.
00:27:21 It would frack for other gases.
00:27:22 It would frack in Wyoming.
00:27:23 There's all sorts of new fracking techniques that are coming to the market.
00:27:27 But I thought they injected water into the ground, right?
00:27:29 Is it like chemicals or is it just water that they inject into the ground?
00:27:33 It's basically proprietary.
00:27:34 It depends on the situation.
00:27:36 It's a solution of chemicals and water.
00:27:38 And there are other fracking techniques.
00:27:40 I was talking to someone about this.
00:27:41 University of Wyoming is actually researching a couple different fracking techniques.
00:27:46 But there are a lot of uses for coal, including the fact that rare earths.
00:27:51 We have one mine up in the northern part of the state that has a huge concentration of rare earth minerals embedded.
00:27:58 In the coal.
00:27:59 And of course, China has taken a total sort of supremacy approach towards mining rare earths.
00:28:07 First rare earth mine that we've opened in the United States in a decade was in northern Wyoming, and that's something we've got to work on as well.
00:28:15 Do you know off the top of your head what the minerals are, the rare earth?
00:28:20 Is it cobalt?
00:28:22 It's a few different ones.
00:28:24 They're also recycling rare earth minerals.
00:28:26 They're taking these rare earth minerals that are.
00:28:28 Apparently, you know, they put them in batteries and then they throw the batteries in a landfill.
00:28:32 They figured out how to sublimate materials.
00:28:34 So they put them in tubes now in a vacuum.
00:28:37 They hit it with a certain temperature that burns off some, it sublimates, turns some of the rare earth into gas and gets it away.
00:28:43 And then they're left over with the cobalt.
00:28:44 They have the, so you can recycle these minerals too.
00:28:48 It's a lot of stuff that people don't know about.
00:28:49 That's the problem with coal and energy and fear, a lot of it comes from ignorance.
00:28:53 When you realize how valuable and reusable this stuff is, it's way easier to get people on board.
00:28:58 We just need to build nuclear power plants and hydroelectric.
00:29:01 Hydroelectric is the best.
00:29:02 Thorium and nuclear is nuclear was number one for a while, but hydroelectric has become so efficient you just literally put it in the water, just goes and you don't got to do much, it just spins a turbine.
00:29:14 And the secret to energy generation that most people don't know is all of it is steam.
00:29:19 All of it is steam.
00:29:20 They're like, We're gonna make a fusion reactor.
00:29:23 Well, we make something hot and then it boils water and then steam.
00:29:23 How does that work?
00:29:27 That's the secret to spinning a turbine.
00:29:28 That's it, it's oil stuff.
00:29:32 It's the same thing as the industrial revolution, it's just the actual.
00:29:35 Element that's heating the wind.
00:29:37 Wind actually does have a modern wind, does have a fairly decent energy return on energy invested.
00:29:42 It's about half that of coal.
00:29:45 It's bad.
00:29:46 I call it woke wind.
00:29:47 That's what I started calling it.
00:29:49 The media hated it, but there's a whole lobby, Tim, around this wind and solar stuff now.
00:29:55 I mean, there's so many subsidies around it, there's so many tax credits, and that they basically banded together and started putting money into defeating conservative candidates in Republican.
00:30:09 And they wouldn't even talk about supporting wind and solar because they knew that that wouldn't play in Peoria.
00:30:15 They've basically been trying to put money into these primaries, defeat conservative candidates around other message points.
00:30:23 And that's a big problem.
00:30:24 There's a whole lobby around the alternative fuel industry.
00:30:28 Okay, I'm going to try not to talk about graphene too much, but it's the ultimate solution to a lot of the problems because you can upscale, as far as I know, coal into graphene and then use that graphene to build better solar panels, more effective solar paneling.
00:30:40 So the solar industry might be very interested in your coal.
00:30:43 I see a path.
00:30:44 I'm actually researching it as we talk.
00:30:46 I wasn't prepared to do a dissertation tonight, but I'm going to.
00:30:49 You'd think after all these years you would have it all on lock on memory?
00:30:53 That's probably what it should be.
00:30:53 I should.
00:30:54 I'm just doing so much right now, but yeah, graphene is where it's at, dude.
00:30:57 Ian just sits in a room with like 12 computers.
00:30:59 Seven.
00:31:00 Seven?
00:31:01 Two of them are all.
00:31:01 He just keeps his eyes bugging out as all the AIs tell him what to do and they prompt him to prompt them to do it.
00:31:05 You haven't even been over, but you know.
00:31:07 For like 10 hours a day, I just study.
00:31:07 Yeah, that is what I do.
00:31:10 And then one computer will be like, Ian, tell the other computer to do this.
00:31:12 And Ian doesn't realize that he's actually building Skynet.
00:31:14 Oh, okay.
00:31:15 Ian.
00:31:16 Man, I just.
00:31:17 This is anecdotal.
00:31:18 I just got rid of Google AGY, you know, their anti gravity data.
00:31:22 I was telling you before the show.
00:31:23 They suspended my account.
00:31:26 Google, if you're listening, this is ridiculous what you guys are doing.
00:31:28 This is like the Mark Levin with AOL.
00:31:30 Yeah.
00:31:31 I feel like such a boomer.
00:31:32 Did you see that?
00:31:33 Yeah.
00:31:34 Mark Levin with the AOL is going to get his account.
00:31:36 Did he get it back, by the way?
00:31:37 I'm still nail biting.
00:31:39 Levin got, what happened?
00:31:40 No, he can't get into his AOL account.
00:31:40 He got hacked?
00:31:42 He's one of the last.
00:31:43 That dude is a joke.
00:31:45 He said he's going to get rid of this AOL account. 0.51
00:31:46 He put this tweet out where he was like, So they impeached Trump and now they want to impeach Exeth.
00:31:52 Why don't we impeach and arrest Clinton and Bush?
00:31:55 And then basically, like, all the Politico started laughing because it's like, you know, Dave Smith's like, your terms are acceptable.
00:32:03 I tweeted, lol, I put like accidentally, I said, wow, accidentally based.
00:32:07 Like, basically, if your argument is that none of the executive administrations over the past several decades have lawfully engaged in warfare, so they should be criminally charged, it's like, yes, right?
00:32:18 Yes.
00:32:19 And his only argument was that I'm wearing a beanie.
00:32:22 And I'm just like, this is the problem with people like Mark Levin.
00:32:25 They can't articulate an argument as to why they want what they want.
00:32:29 And if you can't, then you lose.
00:32:31 Goodbye.
00:32:33 When you're in Congress, can I come over and display everything to everybody and show them all the graphene?
00:32:40 I'll try to put a policy meeting together on that.
00:32:40 Can I help?
00:32:44 I will.
00:32:45 But do you think that's part of the decline of the terrestrial radio?
00:32:49 Levin?
00:32:50 No, just the trend you're talking about.
00:32:53 Like, what?
00:32:55 What trend?
00:32:56 Just the fact that Levin doesn't have an articulable argument as to why he wants to bomb other countries.
00:33:03 What do you think has happened to terrestrial radio?
00:33:07 Well, I mean, obviously, there's a lot of competition.
00:33:10 You put up Spotify, you got a podcast, you know what I mean?
00:33:12 You get in your car and you open the Rumble app and you listen to the great Steven Crowder and Tim Pool, you know?
00:33:19 It's just streaming, is on it.
00:33:21 Yeah.
00:33:21 The internet, basically.
00:33:22 And people don't drive anymore.
00:33:24 And also, it's streaming.
00:33:26 People don't drive.
00:33:27 And also, terrestrial radio didn't double down on the things that people kept coming back for, right?
00:33:35 So, I'm in a band, and one of the things that we saw going on is the terrestrial radio stations that had DJs that were interacting with the listeners and that the listeners actually knew or they would go to do personal appearances and stuff.
00:33:51 The terrestrial radio stations should have doubled down on the talent, and they didn't.
00:33:57 And so, people were just like, oh, well, Why am I going to listen to this radio station which plays all these commercials?
00:34:02 Well, and I don't have any reason, I don't care about the DJs or whatever.
00:34:05 There's nothing, I don't feel like I'm part of anything.
00:34:08 Well, but I'll just listen to Spot.
00:34:09 It's the medium as well.
00:34:09 It's all spots.
00:34:10 I mean, look, what car do people don't put on FM?
00:34:14 Most cars have internal Spotify pen radio.
00:34:17 It's like TV, you had to be there at the moment.
00:34:20 You couldn't, like YouTube, I can watch any video at any time.
00:34:22 Time doesn't matter.
00:34:23 It's always there.
00:34:24 It's always accessible.
00:34:25 Radio, you had to wait until the song came on the radio.
00:34:28 It's still like that, which is like, come on, guys. 0.99
00:34:29 And then the FCC, I think it is, got involved and is like, you can't say fuck on the radio. 0.99
00:34:33 Well, hi, I'm on the internet. 0.99
00:34:35 It's totally fine.
00:34:36 Except you're not supposed to.
00:34:37 Sometimes you're not because daddy's watching.
00:34:39 But we're allowed.
00:34:40 It's not getting banned.
00:34:41 You don't get fined on the internet for it.
00:34:43 You do. 1.00
00:34:44 Fined for saying fuck on the internet. 1.00
00:34:44 No, you don't get. 1.00
00:34:47 You do on the radio at places though.
00:34:49 On the radio, the FCC will charge you.
00:34:51 On YouTube, they downrank and remove ads sometimes.
00:34:54 But sometimes, literally every single time.
00:34:57 No, Joe Rogan is an example of someone that took to the stratosphere by saying whatever he wanted on the internet for the most part.
00:35:03 And he couldn't have done it on a radio.
00:35:04 Radio, they would have been like advertisers.
00:35:05 That's not the point. 0.84
00:35:06 It's another reason why the radio sucks compared to the advertising system.
00:35:09 Explicitly states they downrank your channel and your videos if you are swearing.
00:35:14 Sure.
00:35:15 But they didn't use to.
00:35:15 They used less ads and less money.
00:35:16 They didn't used to, and they don't have to.
00:35:18 The government getting involved.
00:35:18 It's not a government thing.
00:35:20 Once YouTube started getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and a bunch of advertisers started pulling off because they did not want to be on that kind of content, YouTube came in and said, We're creating a tier system.
00:35:29 That's why people say the word graped.
00:35:31 Well, I know, that's ridiculous.
00:35:33 And that's why Spotify said, We'll pay you $100 million to come over here and do the same thing you're doing right now.
00:35:37 Except if you want to be on Spotify, you have to pay.
00:35:40 So for us to put our content on Spotify, I got to pay. 0.98
00:35:42 I'm talking about Rogan and shit. 0.99
00:35:43 Congratulations to Joe Rogan. 1.00
00:35:44 I still have to pay.
00:35:46 Regular people have to pay.
00:35:47 YouTube is free.
00:35:48 No, no, no.
00:35:49 I don't think you understand.
00:35:50 I'm talking about as a creator.
00:35:51 What I'm saying is, we explicitly are like, hey, try not to swear on the show.
00:35:55 And then you think it's funny to be like, I can do whatever I want.
00:35:57 I'm proving a point.
00:35:58 And the point is, you personally don't face our own.
00:36:00 Face conversation comes better than the radio because we're allowed to actually talk about it.
00:36:05 Indeed.
00:36:05 And my point is, you, oblivious to what I deal with behind the scenes, makes you think we're in a different position.
00:36:11 We're not.
00:36:12 Dude, you don't have the FCC breathing down your neck on the internet like you do on the radio.
00:36:16 That's the point.
00:36:17 Except I have YouTube and all the advertisers breathing down my neck.
00:36:21 Okay, private companies can do what they want to do, but you don't have the government involved with censoring the internet like they do the radio.
00:36:27 That's part of why the radio failed.
00:36:27 That's my point.
00:36:29 End of my point.
00:36:31 Right.
00:36:31 And I'm going to tell you now whatever problem you think there was with the FCC, we have a worse problem now.
00:36:36 Explain that.
00:36:38 You can have your entire channel just deleted outright without just censoring it.
00:36:41 You can do that on the radio.
00:36:42 And you can file a lawsuit.
00:36:42 I mean.
00:36:44 And because it's public and you have access to the airwaves and you've paid and bid for the airwaves, they can't do that.
00:36:51 But YouTube kids just, you're gone.
00:36:53 So when they create a system where people have to say the word graped because otherwise they apply detriments and weights to your channel that eventually remove it from the algorithm, people are constantly stressed out because there's no recourse, no customer service, and you don't even know what the rules are.
00:37:09 It is substantially worse in many ways.
00:37:11 No, no, no.
00:37:12 We'd be on the radio if radio is better.
00:37:14 We're not on the radio.
00:37:14 We'd be on the radio.
00:37:15 No, we wouldn't because it's not a medium that people use to get access to information.
00:37:17 And why is that?
00:37:19 Because people go on the internet now.
00:37:20 Not because they want to hear swears.
00:37:24 They don't go on the radio because the radio is a little cookie cutter where you can't say the wrong words.
00:37:28 No, that's not why.
00:37:29 Where you'll get the FCC radio.
00:37:31 No, no.
00:37:32 Radio died out because, one, people are driving a lot less.
00:37:35 People are using Ubers now.
00:37:36 Gen Z doesn't drive and don't own cars.
00:37:38 And with the launch of Sirius and XM, people switched from AM, FM to private, effectively OTT audio. 0.94
00:37:47 Then you ended up with cellular internet 5G, and people switched to Spotify, Pandora, and podcasts, killing terrestrial radio.
00:37:54 And we lost Rush.
00:37:56 Well, I mean, Rush would just be a modern podcaster, right?
00:38:00 Like, there are many people who do what he does, and talk radio is effectively just a podcast these days.
00:38:09 And that's not to disparage Rush.
00:38:10 Rush had a massive voice in the area, but it is true that Rush would be on Patreon, SiriusXM, or he would be on Fox or whatever.
00:38:22 He'd have a podcast.
00:38:22 Yeah, he would be on Spotify, Apple.
00:38:24 He would stay on AM.
00:38:25 AM would be the base.
00:38:26 Sure.
00:38:27 But that's true, and that's only because there are people who live a life.
00:38:31 And this means that there's a guy who was 30 years old when he started listening to Rush, and he drives a pickup.
00:38:36 And he has a pickup for 10 years.
00:38:38 Well, so let's say it's the 90s.
00:38:42 10 years later, it's mid 2000s, and he's still driving the same pickup.
00:38:44 He's not going to buy a new one.
00:38:45 It works, right?
00:38:46 Gets it tuned up, gets it fixed.
00:38:47 But all the new vehicles that are getting released now have access to digital, Sirius, XM, et cetera.
00:38:53 They aren't listening to Rush.
00:38:54 And a lot of the companies want to remove AM radio and FM from the dial.
00:38:59 The dial is completely dead.
00:39:00 There's no money anymore.
00:39:02 We've talked with various networks about what if we put this show on syndication through the radio?
00:39:07 And then we had one company be like, oh, yeah, we can get you nationwide syndication.
00:39:10 I think you'll do like $4,000 or $5,000 a month.
00:39:12 And I was like, really?
00:39:14 And they're like, yeah, there's no advertisers on radio anymore.
00:39:16 Like, what do you think?
00:39:18 There's no audience on radio anymore.
00:39:19 It's gone.
00:39:20 Yeah.
00:39:21 People get in their cars, modern vehicles, all of them already have default streaming services built in.
00:39:28 All of them.
00:39:29 If you're to get into a car that doesn't have like Apple Play or whatever, people are like, oh, no, I can't use my Apple phone and connect to the.
00:39:37 So the big game now, the big play is can you get on the front page when someone pops up in their on screen tablet in their vehicle?
00:39:44 I mean, man, like the new Escalades, wow.
00:39:46 It's like the touchscreen is this big, long thing.
00:39:49 It's nuts.
00:39:50 And then what you want is you want to be, when they turn the car on, your app is right there front and center.
00:39:54 And they're going to pay big bucks for that.
00:39:56 One of the Ubers today, I mean, there's like four screens on the dash.
00:40:01 Right.
00:40:02 So everything is going to be.
00:40:03 Radio's gone, man.
00:40:05 Radio's gone.
00:40:05 And now we've got this, you know, the system with YouTube where they won't tell you the rules intentionally.
00:40:11 So it's the most authoritarian system we've had.
00:40:16 They can control much more than you used to be able to control when things were analog.
00:40:23 What do you think the public policy answer to that is, Tim?
00:40:26 There isn't one.
00:40:27 Because the issue with the airwaves is that they were finite, there was bandwidth.
00:40:34 And so companies would bid for access to the bandwidth and they would get their spectrum in their certain area.
00:40:39 And it's true for television as well.
00:40:41 This meant that you had restrictions from the government because you were using public access.
00:40:46 The reason why the FCC is allowed to fine you when you're on the radio or on TV. Is because you're using their public airwaves.
00:40:53 And they have to be regulated because it's finite.
00:40:55 The internet has no finite channels, it's a data stream.
00:40:59 There can be an infinite number of podcasts.
00:41:00 Weird about the internet, though, or the radio, you'd think there would be infinite radio bands because you can always cut it in half.
00:41:06 Like the distance between one and two is infinite if you cut it in half over and over and over again.
00:41:10 I don't know.
00:41:11 Can you not tap into more intricate frequencies?
00:41:13 Maybe you just don't have the tech.
00:41:13 I wonder.
00:41:15 So anyone who's ever used a radio knows that if you're listening to 101.1 and you go up to 101.2, you can still hear it.
00:41:21 There's 10ths.
00:41:22 Right.
00:41:22 That's true.
00:41:23 So there's like a band of like 0.3 where you kind of get up.
00:41:25 So there is a set number of distance between the channels.
00:41:30 Separation.
00:41:31 Yeah.
00:41:32 So in Chicago, you had 101.1 and 101.9.
00:41:34 So getting that frequency gap of 0.8 creates a different channel.
00:41:38 But in between, you can hear fuzz between the two.
00:41:40 And if you stand in a different area of the room, you might not hear it.
00:41:43 It's interesting.
00:41:43 I wonder if different.
00:41:45 So right now, I wonder the reason you had certain constraints is that if you're broadcasting to the entirety of a city, You're like, I don't want to go too far left or too far right because I'll piss off way too many people.
00:41:45 Yeah.
00:41:57 But now, because everything is on demand, MSNBC becomes MS Now and says our core audience is shrinking.
00:42:05 And the biggest one we have is we hate Trump.
00:42:08 So we choose that.
00:42:09 And CNN, we choose that.
00:42:11 And Fox News stays where Fox News has stayed forever.
00:42:13 So MSNBC didn't used to be the wacky far left network.
00:42:18 I mean, Tucker Carlson was on MSNBC.
00:42:21 But they latched onto a market, stayed with it.
00:42:24 CNN's done the same thing.
00:42:26 And they will not deviate from a narrative that offends their audience.
00:42:29 Because we saw what happened when the ACLU stood on their principles and defended Unite the Right.
00:42:34 They started losing so many donors.
00:42:36 They twisted themselves in knots to justify why they now oppose free speech.
00:42:41 Absolutely hilarious. 0.56
00:42:42 Like the ACLU defended Nazis in Skokie, Illinois, very famously.
00:42:45 Unite the Right happens and the ACLU comes out and says, I'm sorry, look, we're for free speech.
00:42:50 They're allowed to have the rally. 0.99
00:42:51 They burned so many donations from wackaloon communists that the ACLU finally comes and says, oh, geez, we're wrong. 0.97
00:42:57 Free speech isn't actually a thing anymore. 0.99
00:42:59 We disagree.
00:43:00 Because money speaks, you know?
00:43:02 Money talks and BS walks.
00:43:04 What do you think cable news looks like in 10 years?
00:43:06 Gone.
00:43:06 I don't think it's going to last 10 years.
00:43:09 Fox News writes, like, with all due respect to Jesse Waters, because I love when he has me on the show, you know, and we're on live at the same time as him.
00:43:18 But I mean this with tremendous, very, very big shout out to Fox News and Jesse Waters, because whenever they have me on, they put me on the A block specifically, which is like the best spot for me.
00:43:27 He's a patriot.
00:43:28 He's fantastic.
00:43:29 They literally say, We love having you on the show, Tim.
00:43:32 We know your show's at the same time.
00:43:33 We'll put you on the A block.
00:43:34 You will be first up with Jesse every time if you want to get up.
00:43:37 And I'm like, That's awesome.
00:43:40 And I mean, I'm sure they feel similarly respected that I'll skip the first 15, 20 minutes of my show to join Jesse.
00:43:46 They'll make sure to put me in the front.
00:43:47 They're absolutely fantastic.
00:43:48 But with all due respect, while Jesse is getting millions of viewers, they're all 70 years old plus.
00:43:54 And Fox News in the key demo is getting about 100,000.
00:43:58 You will not.
00:44:00 Guys, I've been to the Fox News studio upstairs.
00:44:03 From us, we're in the same building as Fox News.
00:44:05 And it's actually really cool because they hit me up and they're like, when can you get to the studio?
00:44:08 And I'm like, friends.
00:44:10 I am here.
00:44:11 We are downstairs.
00:44:12 And they're like, let's go.
00:44:13 And they're always very nice.
00:44:14 But you will not pay for that studio they have up there, which is like almost the whole floor, on 100,000 viewers.
00:44:21 You're just not going to do it.
00:44:22 Now, the thing is, you turn on Fox News, and what do you get?
00:44:25 Reverse mortgages, heart rate monitors.
00:44:28 You get life insurance sales, which is the creepiest thing imaginable.
00:44:32 I turn on Fox News, I see commercials where they're like, sell your life insurance policy.
00:44:36 This means there's some 75 year old selling their life insurance policy because they need spending cash.
00:44:40 And when they die, their kids are going to have no money to deal with their.
00:44:44 You know, after life expenses.
00:44:46 And then they've got reverse mortgages where the kids will not inherit the home because the bank will have control over it through the reverse mortgage.
00:44:54 But that's all the advertisements they're targeting people in their 70s.
00:44:58 So we are facing now the boomer mortality shelf.
00:45:02 That is, boomers are now, I think, what, 80, 82 is the oldest boomer now?
00:45:06 No, no, 81, maybe.
00:45:08 I think, I think what, Biden is 83 and he's silent generation.
00:45:12 Trump is the oldest of the boomers.
00:45:13 So about 80 years old. 0.73
00:45:14 That's life expectancy.
00:45:15 79.
00:45:16 So they're calling this the mortality cliff.
00:45:19 That is the age at which a generation reaches the average age of mortality.
00:45:23 What happens? 0.80
00:45:24 Over the next five, 10 years, we're going to see a substantial drop off in the boomer population. 0.94
00:45:28 So we're going to start seeing in the next few years, like 20% death. 0.98
00:45:32 Like this is where the boomers start rapidly dying. 0.99
00:45:34 I'm not trying to be crass or macabre, but this is what the math says. 0.99
00:45:38 You will see a very high rate of death.
00:45:40 They're eventually going off the cliff.
00:45:42 Right now, there is money to be made off this generation, which has a disproportionate amount of wealth.
00:45:48 So these commercials work.
00:45:50 How will Fox News sustain the five?
00:45:54 Some of these people have multi million dollar salaries off of 100,000 viewers.
00:45:59 You won't.
00:46:00 It's not going to happen.
00:46:01 Even Tim Cast IRL.
00:46:03 I'll tell you guys, we're a profitable show.
00:46:06 We make good money here.
00:46:07 But I will tell you, it's going down.
00:46:10 Everything is going down.
00:46:11 Ad rates are going down.
00:46:12 Not to be fair, could be related to the Iran war and diesel prices, economics matter.
00:46:19 But across the board, if you watch these YouTube gurus, I recommend this, they're losing their minds right now because YouTube is demonetizing wave after wave of these channels, like hundreds of thousands of channels.
00:46:32 But.
00:46:33 Outside of them panicking over that, one thing all of these media gurus are saying is that audience is collapsing for whatever reason.
00:46:40 Honestly, I think the reason YouTube is banning and demonetizing a lot of these multi channel creators is because they're the reason viewership is collapsing.
00:46:47 If you have 10 people who make shows on YouTube, each of them are going to get a billion views per video because there's two hours per viewer and something like a billion active users per month consuming two hours per day. 0.90
00:47:00 That's a stupid amount of views.
00:47:01 But if you have random people, Mass producing 5,000 videos per week, then it's going to spread viewership out. 0.97
00:47:09 Everyone's viewership goes down, ad dollars go down, and eventually becomes impossible to make premium content.
00:47:15 So YouTube is nuking all of these channels.
00:47:17 But what we've seen is a lot of these media guru guys who are like trying to sell you a class.
00:47:22 They're like, do not freak out.
00:47:24 There's this video that went viral because a guy has like students, you know, he likes to sell subscriptions.
00:47:28 And he was like, I want everybody not to freak out.
00:47:29 Don't cancel.
00:47:31 It's not you.
00:47:32 Everyone's audience is going down right now.
00:47:34 It's collapsing as of last September, and it's across the board.
00:47:38 For everything.
00:47:39 And I don't know, like, I'll say this YouTube's supposed to be, they're doing a massive overhaul in February, and they're saying core creators are gonna make way more money.
00:47:48 I think YouTube is explicitly stating, like, we're gonna blow up half the producers on the platform.
00:47:53 They're gonna make it substantially more difficult to produce.
00:47:56 They don't want faceless channels anymore.
00:47:58 They want your face to appear in the videos.
00:48:01 There's a couple other reasons for this, and it pertains to AI.
00:48:04 Google doesn't want their training models to fall victim to what's called the recursion loop apocalypse.
00:48:08 So that means they can't have AI generated content be fed into their AI training models, but that's a different issue.
00:48:14 The fact is, cable TV cannot survive.
00:48:17 It's done.
00:48:18 MSNBC.
00:48:19 The 40 year old individual today, as they get older, is going to become the Fox News viewer.
00:48:26 Well, let me just say this.
00:48:27 Why would anybody who watches this show regularly change the medium by which they watch it?
00:48:32 They won't. 0.91
00:48:33 And then the issue is, people need to understand it's not a question of when there's no more boomers, it's a question of when there's not enough boomers to run a machine. 0.76
00:48:42 So, I'll give you an example that I like to use in terms of macro scale economics, which is Detroit.
00:48:49 Detroit used to have a very large, expansive population.
00:48:52 And so they built a water system for an expanding population.
00:48:55 Let's do basic math.
00:48:56 It's hypothetical, but this did happen in Detroit and Flint, Michigan.
00:48:59 Let's say there's a million people living in a city, and each of them has to spend $10 per month on their water bill.
00:49:06 $10 times 1 million people, congratulations, you've got $10 million to fund the water system, and that's enough.
00:49:12 And it puts a little bit in the coffers for a rainy day, and everybody's happy.
00:49:15 But then one day, 500,000 people leave because the jobs are gone, the market's collapsing.
00:49:21 Now you've got crumbling water infrastructure, which creates problems, increases costs, and only half the people to pay for those costs.
00:49:29 Everyone now is told you got to pay 20 bucks a month to pay for the same amount that would have gotten us a year ago.
00:49:36 And they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, doubling my water bills, an unexpected bill I can't pay for.
00:49:41 Here's another problem.
00:49:42 With all of these empty houses, you now have crumbling water infrastructure.
00:49:46 Pipes burst, they're not maintained.
00:49:48 And with this, You now have an increase in repair costs.
00:49:51 It's attrition.
00:49:52 So now everyone's actually incurring an additional cost.
00:49:54 So now it's $25 to pay for the rampant repairs.
00:49:58 So then they say, we're going to go out and we're going to cut off all of this water infrastructure to reduce that cost long term, which creates a short term burst.
00:50:04 And everyone's paying $40 a month.
00:50:07 Then they revolt.
00:50:08 People stop paying.
00:50:09 The system breaks down.
00:50:10 This is literally what's happening in Detroit because people have been leaving.
00:50:14 This means that spiral of a natural monopoly.
00:50:17 It's population collapse.
00:50:19 This is what happened.
00:50:19 So in Flint, what happened was as the population collapsed and the water prices started going up, Flint argued they shouldn't be paying such high prices for Detroit water.
00:50:28 Because Detroit needed this because that was the cost.
00:50:31 They said, We got a Flint River right here.
00:50:33 Let's tap our own water source, which was filthy and full of disease, and the pipes were corroded and lead, and everyone got sick.
00:50:40 Take a look at cable news, and the issue right now is if you need, let's just use a hypothetical number, you need $1 million per day to run The Five, their biggest show.
00:50:51 $1 million per day, just for that one hour slot.
00:50:56 How many commercials do you have to sell, and at what rate to generate that?
00:51:00 Well, If you've got 3 million viewers like they do, that's a cakewalk.
00:51:04 $10 CPM, holy smokes.
00:51:07 You're going to be doing four or five ads.
00:51:08 You're going to clear easily a half a million.
00:51:11 And then, you know, maybe using a hypothetical with real ad numbers doesn't make sense.
00:51:17 But let's say the actual show for the one hour costs them a couple hundred thousand dollars.
00:51:20 They can easily generate half a million.
00:51:21 And it's about half the show is ads.
00:51:21 They're profitable.
00:51:24 It's about 30 minutes is the content, the other half is all ads.
00:51:28 And so if you're doing like a premium CPM for Fox News, you might charge.
00:51:32 Well, actually, I'll tell you this.
00:51:33 Fox News told me a few years ago when Tucker was on the air, the biggest show at 3 million views per show, a 30 second spot was $12,000 on Tucker.
00:51:42 He was their biggest invest.
00:51:43 30 seconds.
00:51:44 So if they do four of those in one ad break, two minutes, and they probably do more than that, they're going to be bringing in, you know, $60,000, $70,000 per ad break.
00:51:53 Just for Tucker's show.
00:51:53 Because you get some carriage fees from the cable company and the satellite companies.
00:51:57 And cable's going to implode.
00:52:00 Because you don't have, like, young people don't have cable.
00:52:03 They're watching videos on YouTube.
00:52:05 You're getting free.
00:52:06 Everybody's got internet, cable, TV.
00:52:07 Exactly.
00:52:08 You got Wi Fi, and then they select their streaming service.
00:52:11 Yeah, they're going to watch Netflix, Paramount Plus, Paramount, and HBO are going to merge soon.
00:52:16 So cable TV will die very soon. 0.75
00:52:18 It's surviving on the backs of the boomer generation, which means it's not that when boomers are dead, cable collapses.
00:52:25 It's when the sufficient amount of boomers are no longer subscribed, either because they've passed or because they're catatonic or capable of subscribing, or some do switch, then.
00:52:36 They're not going to be able to generate enough money in ads to sustain a show the size of The Five or Jesse Waters.
00:52:42 My understanding is that Jesse Waters has a salary of like $5 million a year.
00:52:45 It may be more because he's their star right now.
00:52:47 And I love him.
00:52:48 He's fantastic.
00:52:49 But how do you pay a guy $5 million a year if 100,000 key demo viewers?
00:52:52 You don't.
00:52:53 You absolutely do not.
00:52:55 That's why they're hoping that AI extends people's lives so the boomers can live longer and watch more Fox News.
00:53:00 And then when AI cures all of their diseases and makes them young again, you'll have a permanent class of owners. 0.74
00:53:05 Yep.
00:53:05 That'll be great.
00:53:06 Or as people age, they become Fox News viewers.
00:53:09 But it's actually not the case that.
00:53:11 This is another.
00:53:13 You know, I watch these cartoons, like SpongeBob is a good example.
00:53:18 There is, if you watch, like, I can't think of a good one.
00:53:20 SpongeBob is probably the best one.
00:53:22 Cartoon characters wearing normal pants.
00:53:24 And then they get turned into an old person or something.
00:53:27 And their pants shoot up to their armpits. 0.79
00:53:29 And the idea was when you get old, you pull your pants up.
00:53:33 It's actually not the case. 0.91
00:53:36 Old people pull their pants up because that's what was in style when they were in their 20s. 1.00
00:53:41 Look, Metallica is doing a residency at the Sphere in Las Vegas right now, and they're releasing all these videos from the show. 0.98
00:53:48 And if you look at the crowd, right, the crowd is not full of teenagers.
00:53:54 It's full of people that are in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and some in their 60s.
00:53:59 That's the age that Metallica is, right?
00:54:01 The people that get into a kind of music at a certain age continue to like that kind of stuff, and that kind of goes the same for most things.
00:54:11 If you start watching Fox News when you're in your 20s or 30s, you know, it carries on until you get into your 40s, 50s.
00:54:17 That's kind of the situation that you're seeing.
00:54:20 People don't change habits in life.
00:54:22 They develop habits in their young age and keep them for the rest of their life.
00:54:22 Yeah, they get to.
00:54:24 We become more conservative as we age.
00:54:26 That's not true.
00:54:27 You don't think so?
00:54:28 That's the misconception.
00:54:29 The issue is that.
00:54:30 And even if they did, it wouldn't be that they would watch Fox News.
00:54:33 They would go to another conservative outlet.
00:54:34 I'll put it this way The medium person.
00:54:36 You think the Republican Party is conservative?
00:54:39 Yes.
00:54:39 You think a Republican Party that's pro gay marriage is conservative?
00:54:44 Well, I mean, not everywhere that we have that policy.
00:54:49 Go back to the 90s and ask them would the Republican Party ever. 0.85
00:54:53 Agree with gay marriage.
00:54:54 And then Donald Trump goes on stage in 2016 and unfurls a rainbow flag to a cheering RNC and then wins the election and then wins again in 24.
00:55:04 Yeah, the Republican Party is not conservative by any standard American view.
00:55:08 So the idea it's like you get conservative, you're older.
00:55:10 It's like, no, as you get older, everybody moves further and further left traditionally.
00:55:14 And so when you track the Pew data, the first generation to actually move slightly rightward in some areas was Gen Z.
00:55:20 But Tim, I mean, the Republican Party is the vehicle for us to advance conservative policy.
00:55:25 It is. 0.97
00:55:25 Like gay marriage? 0.97
00:55:27 Well, like America First policy.
00:55:30 Yeah, but you take a look at what Reagan did.
00:55:33 Look at Bernie Sanders.
00:55:34 Bernie Sanders in 2016 said that open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
00:55:38 So the idea of limiting immigration isn't new or unique to the Republican Party.
00:55:43 And there were right leaning people back in the day who were very much in favor of open borders.
00:55:47 So America First right now lies closer to the Republican Party, but the actual America First movement detests the Republican Party.
00:55:57 And so, you know, ultimately, my point is right now, By what standard is the Republican Party conservative?
00:56:03 I mean, they're not arguing for like the over the past several years, we've not had a debate on taxes.
00:56:09 They're not fiscally conservative, they spend just as much money as Democrats.
00:56:12 One big, beautiful bill, yeah, mass spending, tax on tips, massive spending.
00:56:15 Yeah, but again, that's that's that's an issue we gotta address.
00:56:18 Yeah, they never do that.
00:56:19 No question.
00:56:20 I don't think you gotta address that.
00:56:22 I don't think the Republican Party is conservative.
00:56:25 In like, I so I'll put it this way if you go to a stand, if you go to the average member of the public who's heard of me.
00:56:36 How do you believe they would describe me politically?
00:56:39 A conservative.
00:56:40 I'm a liberal.
00:56:41 Like, I'm pro choice.
00:56:42 I'm in favor of progressive tax.
00:56:43 All the turning point kids that supported our campaign love you and they view you as conservative.
00:56:49 Indeed.
00:56:50 And how crazy.
00:56:51 Libertarian, maybe a little more libertarian, but.
00:56:53 How crazy is it that if you put me in 2010, I'm the perfect little Democrat?
00:56:58 And today, where my views are almost the exact same in every way, I'm a conservative now.
00:57:04 So I didn't get conservative as I got older.
00:57:07 The left just moved further and further left, and the people in the middle started getting called conservative.
00:57:11 You've heard of the ratchet, right?
00:57:12 I mean, Tim, the Occupy Wall Street deal, that was not something that you would call conservative. 0.62
00:57:18 It was when it started, but then conservatives and their ignorance attacked it. 0.91
00:57:21 And I blame Hannity largely because it was the knee jerk reaction.
00:57:24 It's funny because the Tea Party and Occupy, had they had come together, and I think this is the intention, they didn't want them to, it would have been a nuclear bomb in a populist movement early on.
00:57:35 Yeah, Tim, Occupy was a predecessor of.
00:57:38 Bernie Sanders, socialist, liberals.
00:57:41 The first week of Occupy Wall Street had libertarians, conservatives, and liberals.
00:57:45 And Hannity went on his show and lied or falsely aligned what it was, and the conservatives all went home.
00:57:50 One of the more famous things that happened at Occupy Wall Street was Adam Schiff went down to, I'm sorry, Peter Schiff went down to Occupy Wall Street with a sign that said, I am the 1%, and he was articulating libertarian positions, but that's definitely not progressive.
00:58:05 Libertarian comics are.
00:58:07 The second weekend of Occupy Wall Street, I interviewed an elderly conservative couple.
00:58:11 Who unfurled an American flag and hung it from a tree and put a couch up to it and said, The American people are sick of corrupt government, revolving door policies.
00:58:19 Absolutely.
00:58:20 They were upset over overtaxation.
00:58:23 But that's different from the collectivism.
00:58:25 And so what happens is you have the left equally angry for a variety of reasons, libertarians, anarchists.
00:58:33 I met Luke Grodkowski at Occupy Wall Street.
00:58:35 This is where a lot of people, eventually early Bitcoin people, were also hanging out.
00:58:40 Ian was down there.
00:58:41 And you had conservatives.
00:58:42 And then Low. 0.95
00:58:44 You turn on Fox News and Hannity says they're all far left lunatics taking dumps on cars, and the conservatives went home. 0.95
00:58:52 You know, I think.
00:58:52 Imagine if he did not do that and the conservatives did not go home.
00:58:57 They handed that movement to the far left, and I think it was intentional.
00:59:00 Yeah, the Federal Reserve is the most liberal aspect of our society.
00:59:03 One of, you know, Woodrow Wilson pushing it forward collectively.
00:59:06 They're out of control.
00:59:07 Yeah, for sure.
00:59:07 And that was what Occupy was all about was taking, go back to the gold, very conservative methodology, go back to the gold standard and.
00:59:15 Solidify the value of our monetary supply.
00:59:17 Super conservative messaging.
00:59:19 I'm a liberal.
00:59:20 I was liberal at the time.
00:59:21 I mean, I'm both.
00:59:21 It's such a semantic, ridiculous consideration that you're one or the other.
00:59:25 You're both at any given moment about the economy.
00:59:27 No, Hold on.
00:59:28 But I was there to preserve the monetary system.
00:59:30 So I guess that was a conservative momentum.
00:59:32 When we say these words, they have meanings.
00:59:34 By modern standards, liberal and conservative just means team red, team blue.
00:59:39 But to be liberal in the true political philosophy means something.
00:59:43 When I describe myself this way and I say traditional liberal, I'm.
00:59:46 I actually identify closer to social liberal on the political compass and policy wise.
00:59:52 Modern quote unquote liberals are leftists.
00:59:55 Modern conservatives are traditional liberals.
00:59:59 And that's why the Republican Party is more liberal than it's ever been.
01:00:04 And probably half of it is overt traditional liberals.
01:00:07 Donald Trump was a Democrat.
01:00:08 Elon Musk was a Democrat.
01:00:10 Tulsi Gabbard.
01:00:11 I mean, shortly before he joined the administration, RFK Jr., who was running as a Democrat.
01:00:16 The liberal economic order.
01:00:17 It's called the liberal economic order, this global.
01:00:20 The globalized, you know, Swiss banking industry thing, the liberal.
01:00:23 So, like, the whole ship has veered left into the liberal waters.
01:00:27 So, like, everybody's kind of, because of that, liberal.
01:00:30 You know who's conservative?
01:00:31 Even the conservative ones on the ship are still in the liberal zone.
01:00:34 And I know it's kind of beating a dead horse Nick Fuentes.
01:00:34 You know who's conservative?
01:00:38 It's all taking.
01:00:40 His behavior, like taking.
01:00:40 No.
01:00:42 I know the term, you're probably using the term different than.
01:00:44 I'm using the term in the literal sense.
01:00:45 If you take Nick Fuentes and drop him in 1950, he probably fits in perfectly.
01:00:49 Tim, I really push back on you.
01:00:51 I mean, I think the.
01:00:52 What we're trying to build in the Congress, and we've been having great conversations over the last few days, is a revitalization of the Republican Party around America First conservative principles after this difficult election night we had eight days ago.
01:01:07 It's built around controlling expenditure, making life affordable again.
01:01:12 And we need to talk about the fact that the number one cause of inflation is the out of control spending.
01:01:17 That is what is the number one cause of inflation.
01:01:19 Simple macroeconomics.
01:01:20 They don't teach it anymore, Tim.
01:01:23 And we have to be talking about it every single day.
01:01:27 I mean, you go back, you're talking about the Fed earlier, the monetary expansion that they carried out in 2008 during the financial crisis.
01:01:33 That's what put us in this box that allows for the printing of money, allows for this out of control spending that you highlight as one of your issues with the Republican Party.
01:01:44 And well, but the Democrats are worse.
01:01:46 Exactly.
01:01:46 And ultimately, why we can't pass any controls in expenditure is the fact that we can never get the 60 votes in the Senate because the Democrats withhold their votes.
01:01:54 But as I was talking about earlier, their ceiling is always higher than ours.
01:01:58 But the American.
01:01:59 And we've never had 60 votes in the Senate.
01:02:01 And without the filibuster, you can't get any controls in expenditure through.
01:02:05 Yeah, the American people.
01:02:06 I mean, you're probably as aware of this as anyone else, but the American people don't trust Congress because everybody in America has heard some kind, some form of articulation of that.
01:02:19 We got to control spending.
01:02:20 We got to control spending.
01:02:21 And nobody does ever.
01:02:23 The last time there was a popular movement about spending was the Tea Party, and that's like 15 years ago.
01:02:30 And a lot of people, to be honest with you, myself included, I used to consider myself a libertarian, used to be very, very outspoken against monetary policy and the Fed and stuff.
01:02:40 But it got to the point where I was just like, all I'm doing is beating my head against the wall.
01:02:43 So if we're going to spend this money, then they should spend the money on things that, on policies that are relevant to me and to Americans.
01:02:54 And I think that that's where a lot of young Americans are.
01:02:55 A lot of young Americans, like Tim mentions Nick Fuentes, a lot of them are not like, well, I'm super anti social programs, right?
01:03:03 They look at, they're like, we're nationalists and we want to see the money spent on America and Americans, we're America first.
01:03:11 I'm not really going to worry about, you know, complaining about federal spending because the federal government is going to spend money.
01:03:17 It has never tried to, it's never significantly shrank.
01:03:21 When Doge was established, you know, basically Elon was run out of town in six months and the policies that, or the cuts that they tried to make, they're not going to stay.
01:03:33 Everyone is kind of of of the opinion that should a Republican get into the office of the president, all of the stuff that was cut plus more is going to come back.
01:03:40 So the idea of trying to convince people we're going to be responsible with spending and we've got to cut spending.
01:03:45 Sure, but no one believes it.
01:03:47 And I don't think that's a winning message for young people because they're just like, yeah, it's been said a million times and they never do.
01:03:55 If we poll balancing the budget, what do you think it would pull at?
01:03:58 Oh, it'd be very, very high.
01:03:59 But also, if you poll, will Congress do it?
01:04:02 It's going to be very, very low.
01:04:04 But at the same time, asking someone what they want and then giving them what they want are two completely different things. 0.65
01:04:11 And I think illegal immigration is the really, really great example of this.
01:04:16 Joe Biden opens the door to 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants.
01:04:18 People see a big problem with that. 0.92
01:04:20 They see the videos, they see the photos, they see the effects on their community, they lose their minds and they vote for Donald Trump.
01:04:25 Then they watch videos of Donald Trump, ICE agents going out with body armor and rifles and grabbing people.
01:04:32 And I'll tell you one of the big problems.
01:04:34 There's one of the most famous incidents a pedophile was captured by ICE, slammed to the ground, and he started crying, screaming, Are you in a maze?
01:04:43 Are you in a maze?
01:04:44 And all of the feminists and libs were like, Oh my God, he's crying.
01:04:47 Why are they doing this? 0.99
01:04:48 I'm like, Well, he's a pedophile. 0.90
01:04:50 He's screaming, help me, but who cares? 0.99
01:04:52 He's a pedophile that they're arresting. 0.99
01:04:53 It doesn't matter. 0.93
01:04:54 People did not want to see that, don't understand what's happening, don't care to ask what's happening.
01:04:59 All they know is this is scary and bad.
01:05:01 On top of that, a lot of people started to get angry.
01:05:04 There was one funny viral video where a guy's like, My taco shop is closed.
01:05:09 And he's like, I voted for Donald Trump, but now my taco shop is closed.
01:05:12 I didn't mean that.
01:05:13 Oh, they didn't want that.
01:05:14 You see, the reality is people will say, in principle, Yeah, America, we have to have these values.
01:05:20 But then when you actually say, Okay, I'll do it like Trump did, they go, Oh, you know what?
01:05:23 Honestly, I'd rather have the slave labor picking my strawberries.
01:05:26 The term reduced spend, cut spending is not the right phrasing because you just want to get a better return on what you spend.
01:05:34 Because if we double our expenses, but we get a 10 times return because we built power grids and now we, then that spending was worth it.
01:05:43 Like GDP, we need to enhance GDP either by producing more or costing less.
01:05:48 So, like, cheaper fuel will make our GDP go up, even if we produce nothing more because it's less cost of input.
01:05:53 So, we might need more spending to produce more output exponentially.
01:05:58 Could be.
01:05:59 Well, not when the debt is the net interest on the debt.
01:06:05 Not even the debt is the third highest annual expenditure.
01:06:09 More than defense spending.
01:06:10 More than defense spending.
01:06:13 And like defaulting on the debt tax rate.
01:06:15 No, it's 14%.
01:06:16 14.2% of the debt is interest.
01:06:20 Is that what?
01:06:21 Yeah.
01:06:21 We're not even paying the debt down.
01:06:22 We're not even paying the debt down.
01:06:25 And it's going to be number two soon.
01:06:27 It's about to overtake Medicare.
01:06:29 What you can do is Medicare is 14.5%, and the interest is going to surpass that by next year.
01:06:35 It's a strange way to think.
01:06:36 I mean, I've been thinking like this.
01:06:37 So we have $42 trillion in debt, let's say.
01:06:40 If we can make it cheaper to cheap fuel, if we go from $4 a gallon to one cent a gallon, even though it says $40 trillion on paper, all those dollars are worth 30 times more. 0.97
01:06:52 What Zimbabwe did. 0.87
01:06:53 Let's just add a bunch of zeros to our currency. 0.90
01:06:55 No, no, no.
01:06:56 If you literally reduce the cost, not just on paper.
01:06:59 Wyoming oil and gas, which one judge here in D.C. Is stopping us from being able to extract Wyoming oil and gas.
01:07:07 I mean, that's just one slice of life of every single industry that has been under attack.
01:07:12 And all of these cuts are increasing.
01:07:15 All of these different stories of how our industries have been under attack is one of the big sources of our problems.
01:07:21 I get what you're saying, but we have to tell these stories.
01:07:23 Everyone knows that that's a band aid.
01:07:24 Everyone also knows that the major drivers are Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and nobody's going to touch them at all.
01:07:33 Everyone knows that those are not going to be touched because no one's going to get elected by saying we're going to touch them.
01:07:37 So, what is going to happen is the government's going to cut rates and they're going to print money.
01:07:43 I have an idea.
01:07:44 I'm going to run a fake campaign.
01:07:48 I'm saying that fake.
01:07:49 I'm going to start an exploratory campaign for the potential to run in 28 on one campaign position.
01:07:55 Here's the announcement I am going to abolish Social Security and Medicare and nothing else.
01:08:01 First in, first out.
01:08:02 That's it.
01:08:03 And then I resign.
01:08:05 But that's why I say fake campaign because I'm like, I think if I actually publicly said on the show I was going to run a campaign, even if it was a joke, they might be like, no, you said it.
01:08:11 I think it's reducing fuel costs.
01:08:12 I'm never going to run for office.
01:08:13 That was a joke.
01:08:14 It's a hard sell.
01:08:15 Someone's going to, if we could, I keep saying like convert to hydrogen fuel.
01:08:18 If we could create a hybrid petroleum hydrogen economy.
01:08:21 But the thing is, America, well, hold on, let me finish.
01:08:24 America controls the world through petroleum, and the oil industry has a big monopoly on power.
01:08:29 So, diffusing that is a problem.
01:08:32 You need to make sure that the oil industry still maintains their profits.
01:08:35 And hydrogen is not better than hydroelectric or nuclear, it's just cheaper.
01:08:38 What we need is fuel.
01:08:39 No, no, no.
01:08:39 50 nuclear reactors.
01:08:40 Well, those are power stations.
01:08:41 We need fuel as well.
01:08:42 Yes, I get it.
01:08:43 But nuclear is better than hydrogen.
01:08:44 No, hydrogen is fuel.
01:08:46 You can't carry it around.
01:08:47 You cannot carry nuclear power plants around.
01:08:48 Uranium is better than hydrogen.
01:08:50 Can't carry it around with you.
01:08:51 No, but a nuclear reactor is a better EROEI.
01:08:54 They're good power stations, the best, potentially.
01:08:56 But I'm talking about fuel, which is either carbon, hydrogen, or.
01:09:00 That's why I said uranium.
01:09:02 Plutonium.
01:09:03 Uranium's not a fuel source.
01:09:04 No, it's not.
01:09:04 Yes, it is.
01:09:05 It's a power state.
01:09:06 You use it in power stations.
01:09:07 It's not portable.
01:09:08 You can't carry it around and use it.
01:09:09 You mean a portable.
01:09:11 That's why how you classify it.
01:09:12 Like when a submarine moves around with uranium core.
01:09:14 I mean, they might have a power station on board, but it's not considered fuel.
01:09:18 Okay, well, that's just.
01:09:19 According to Jim Tour, the scientist, the chemist at Rice University, world's leading graphene scientist, says there's three types of fuel: it's plutonium, carbon, and hydrogen.
01:09:28 Plutonium.
01:09:29 If you can figure out a way to have plutonium.
01:09:31 No, I was right the whole time.
01:09:32 But hydrogen fuel is dirt cheap.
01:09:34 They found ways to invert the cost structures.
01:09:36 I'm telling you.
01:09:36 Okay, Ian.
01:09:37 But the problem is you need to maintain the profits for these other industries that are trying to stop it.
01:09:42 No, Ian, Social Security is $1.667 trillion.
01:09:46 It's 22.5% of our annual spending.
01:09:50 It does not matter if you can make cheaper food.
01:09:53 When you have to pay people cash and they expect that cash to increase every year.
01:09:59 Yeah, but if they can buy twice as much food, then you can pay them half as much.
01:10:01 No, that's not how people work.
01:10:03 But that's literally the way it works.
01:10:04 It's not how people work.
01:10:06 If I can buy twice as much food, you can pay me half as much and I'll be just as fine.
01:10:10 I implore you actually research the 200 year old economic data tracking how humans react to prices going down.
01:10:16 They just buy more of it.
01:10:18 Like when the price.
01:10:18 Yeah.
01:10:20 That's why I say abolish it.
01:10:21 When the price of fuel drops, you don't have a.
01:10:26 You have people using more fuel.
01:10:28 They don't save.
01:10:29 So, this was the very famous early 1900s study where the mathematician was like, fuel is expensive, there's a fuel shortage.
01:10:37 If we get the cost down, it will alleviate the problem.
01:10:40 It didn't.
01:10:41 Why?
01:10:42 Because people all of a sudden needed to drive more.
01:10:44 And people still complained at the same degree.
01:10:47 The issue was when the fuel prices were expensive, they drove what they needed to drive.
01:10:51 When the fuel got cheaper, they drove more and complained they needed to.
01:10:55 You remember when we went from mailing letters to using email?
01:10:58 Do you guys remember that?
01:10:59 Do you remember how that changed the world economy?
01:11:02 Anybody?
01:11:03 Okay, well, it did.
01:11:03 No?
01:11:04 And fuel sources can do the same thing.
01:11:06 Well, I think AI also is supposed to be helping us to increase our output and our productivity.
01:11:12 And so then GDP will go up, and then you'll be able to kind of grow your way out of this massive debt according to the GDP.
01:11:19 You can't increase GDP while you can't reduce the cost of things to increase the GDP.
01:11:22 You do.
01:11:23 No, no, but listen, that's exactly what we're talking about.
01:11:26 If you have to pay $50,000 a year to a guy to do a job, Or, and so you calculate that over 10 years, you're going to spend $500,000.
01:11:33 That's $500,000 that goes into circulation where the guy who gets that money will then go and spend it at Taco Bell, spend it on rent, and pay taxes.
01:11:40 If you replace that guy with one robot one time for $20,000, all of that money is out of the economy and that market lubrication is gone.
01:11:49 So I hear this all the time.
01:11:52 People will say something like, oh, yeah, I know, but we'll just have robots pick the strawberries.
01:11:57 And I'm like, yeah, you're not going to have a robot eat the strawberry.
01:12:00 So who's going to buy it?
01:12:01 Like, AI is not going to solve this problem.
01:12:05 I just say outright, like, I don't care.
01:12:07 Like, I'm going to, you know, my fake campaign is to abolish Social Security.
01:12:10 And then when they gasp, like, you can't do that, I'll be like, but rather than say it.
01:12:15 Rather than say it can't be solved, just say, I don't know how.
01:12:19 What do you mean?
01:12:20 We can protect Medicare and Social Security.
01:12:23 We can also create a plan to control federal expenditure.
01:12:28 And it's all centered around controlling discretionary expenditure.
01:12:32 And as you do that, the costs of borrowing are going to go down because you have shown the discipline in having a plan and decreasing year to year federal expenditure.
01:12:44 And so the focus should really be around discretionary expenditure.
01:12:50 And that's how you protect and make sure that Social Security and Medicaid is protected.
01:12:55 Every new Congress or every four years, there's going to be a new group of people coming in.
01:13:00 The American people are fickle, and you're talking about discretionary spending.
01:13:03 That means that it can change.
01:13:05 And so the guarantees.
01:13:06 That one Congress passes a law about, there's no guarantee that they don't just rip that up the next time.
01:13:12 That's part of our problem we can't actually make a long term solution that the next Congress or the Congress after that won't rip up.
01:13:21 Look, the bond market has been, the yields have been skyrocketing because it's not like when they sell bonds, nobody comes to buy them.
01:13:31 So I want to ask you we generate, what is it, $5.4 trillion in federal revenue.
01:13:38 We spend $7.4, so we got a $2 trillion deficit.
01:13:42 What should we cut?
01:13:43 We got to cut $2 trillion to break even.
01:13:46 And then we're still spending $1 trillion a year on the debt.
01:13:49 So we're going to have to cut $3 trillion just so that we can start paying the debt, the interest down.
01:13:56 What should we cut of that?
01:13:58 We need to cut $3 trillion in spending.
01:14:01 You started controls and discretionary expenditure.
01:14:04 So, like, you pass pro growth policies like what I've been talking about.
01:14:09 Of the yearly expenses the United States has, where do we cut?
01:14:14 Like, what specifically are you referring to when you say the discretionary expenditure is basically all the federal agencies, all the day to day sort of expenditures of the federal government, which doesn't even count in the top 10?
01:14:26 Yeah, mandatory expenditure.
01:14:28 But if you reduce it, you raise confidence in the markets.
01:14:32 You're talking about $20 billion.
01:14:33 Build confidence in the markets.
01:14:34 The costs of borrowing go down.
01:14:38 And the economy grows, like you said, you get to that 4% growth.
01:14:41 Here's why I'm asking you're talking about $20 billion a year.
01:14:45 Rand Paul has a plan.
01:14:47 He's been screaming about this for years.
01:14:47 He came out with this.
01:14:49 He calls it the six penny plan.
01:14:51 Six penny plan, I think his whole plan is that you can get six cents out of every dollar across the entire budget.
01:14:58 That's a 6% price, budget reduction.
01:15:01 It's a 1% reduction across the board.
01:15:04 He's got a tweet with a set balance on the budget.
01:15:06 Within discretionary expenditure, in aggregate, it's across the board.
01:15:10 Okay, so here's the list Social Security is $1.6 trillion.
01:15:14 Medicare is $1.073.
01:15:15 The interest is $1.05.
01:15:18 Medicaid.
01:15:19 Plus, general health, $1.026 trillion.
01:15:22 National defense is $965 billion.
01:15:24 Income security, $694 billion.
01:15:27 Veterans benefits, $416 billion.
01:15:29 Transportation, $143 billion.
01:15:31 Administration of justice, $110 billion.
01:15:34 Education, training, employment, and social services, $100 billion.
01:15:37 After that, we get into community and regional development at $62 billion.
01:15:40 At that point, nothing matters.
01:15:42 Like when you get down after veterans benefits from number eight and below, cutting those things won't do anything.
01:15:50 We need to cut $3 trillion, start reversing course.
01:15:54 Let's just go slow and say $2.1 trillion.
01:15:57 So we just get a little headroom on the interest.
01:16:00 How do we cut $2.1 trillion?
01:16:03 Because I'm going to say it again: cutting number 17 energy is $21 billion.
01:16:08 If you say we're going to take 1% off that, that's a rounding error in the national expense.
01:16:15 This stops the bleeding, I think, is his point.
01:16:17 So it's 6% every year, 6% over five years, you get to a baseline.
01:16:21 But it's every year it gets better and better.
01:16:24 And the economy grows, and we show the American people that the government can work again.
01:16:29 I have an idea.
01:16:30 Okay, so in the past, if a country was growing and they needed more resources and they're running out and they're raising debt, they would conquer another country to take their resources.
01:16:38 That's how it's always been.
01:16:40 Now, today, what's the most valuable resource in the United States?
01:16:45 I said water before, but let's just take water and food out of it.
01:16:47 The most valuable resource, in my opinion, is electricity.
01:16:50 So we don't have to conquer that from another country.
01:16:52 We can just build more of it here, we can produce more of it.
01:16:55 That reduces the debt.
01:16:56 That gives us the resources.
01:16:59 They're building four nuclear power plants in Texas right now.
01:17:01 They just authorized it for the first time.
01:17:04 I think the federal government got on board.
01:17:05 This is a big deal.
01:17:07 So, we need power, we need electricity to run these data centers to build the technology better, faster, and that will reduce the debt.
01:17:16 I love the nuclear idea.
01:17:17 I think that there should be a full top to bottom build out as much as we can.
01:17:22 China is building like crazy.
01:17:24 If you take a look at the curves, they're building way faster than we're building.
01:17:28 I think we have more total plants than they have, and they've modularized it.
01:17:32 They've got basically an assembly line for how they're building these things.
01:17:36 And so, they're rapidly electrifying.
01:17:38 All their cars are basically going electric.
01:17:40 You can imagine, right?
01:17:41 The government is really the only entity that can kind of monopolize that whole process.
01:17:46 And so if everybody has very inexpensive electricity, your gas prices are basically nothing because electricity is free.
01:17:53 Most of the vehicles become electrified.
01:17:56 China generates over twice the power per year that the United States does.
01:18:01 They do somewhere between 10,500 terawatts.
01:18:05 Well, yeah, they do around 10,500 terawatts.
01:18:07 The U.S. does 4,500 terawatts, right?
01:18:10 Like that is.
01:18:11 And the building charts are insane.
01:18:13 And it's up and to the right.
01:18:14 It's vertical.
01:18:16 And they do an all encompassing.
01:18:17 So they're building, obviously, the Three Gorges Dam.
01:18:20 They just came online a couple of years back.
01:18:21 They're building another dam that I think would power all of Germany, right?
01:18:27 The capacity of this one dam would power the same kind of electric needs that Germany has.
01:18:33 They have solar, they have coal fired plants that they're burning.
01:18:37 They're taking an all encompassing approach to it.
01:18:40 And honestly, that's something that the United States should do, too.
01:18:42 Yeah, and we need to teach people how it's clean.
01:18:44 Thorium reactors are not hydrogen fission reactors that can melt down a corium and then pollute the environment.
01:18:51 It's thorium.
01:18:52 It stops when it doesn't melt down.
01:18:54 I'm less concerned about teaching people than I am about building the actual. 0.54
01:18:58 You'll get a lot of pushback from people, the ignorant, if they're afraid of it.
01:19:03 So you do need to alleviate their fears by educating. 0.60
01:19:06 Education doesn't alleviate fears.
01:19:08 And how about all the left wing policies that have prevented us from being competitive?
01:19:12 Oh, abolishing EPA.
01:19:14 We can't. 0.83
01:19:15 Can't mine coal.
01:19:16 We can't build new coal fire power plants.
01:19:18 We can't extract oil and gas in Wyoming.
01:19:20 I mean, we can't reach our full potential in this country.
01:19:23 Fold the EPA into the State Department or something.
01:19:25 I did some math for you guys.
01:19:26 If we were to cut all expenditures by 6% every year for five years, after five years, Social Security will be at $1.223 trillion.
01:19:37 Medicare will be at $787 billion.
01:19:40 The net interest on the debt will go up.
01:19:43 We will be paying $1.052 trillion, now the second largest because You can't cut spending on the interest.
01:19:49 It's on debt that already exists.
01:19:51 So you can't cut there.
01:19:52 This plan doesn't work.
01:19:54 It doesn't work for one simple reason.
01:19:56 First, it won't pay down the debt.
01:19:59 Maybe, again, at this pace, even after 10 years, the interest on the debt is still going up.
01:20:05 It will become number one, it will increase.
01:20:07 More importantly, I would love for either of you to go to the American people and tell them you want to cut 6% of Social Security and Medicaid every year until it's down by $500 billion.
01:20:18 They're just going to print.
01:20:19 Well, and that's just they're going to lower interest rates, they're going to knock interest rates down to it's going to be just like the point I'm making is because I understand that I'm saying who will be able to tell the American people we intend to cut Social Security by 40%.
01:20:35 I don't think that's feasible.
01:20:37 25, 27%.
01:20:38 It's a democracy doom loop.
01:20:40 It's the idea that you're going to have people who just have a very short time preference, you have politicians who come in for a couple of years, they need to serve their interest over their eight year term.
01:20:50 And get on out of there without destroying the remainder of the party.
01:20:54 And this is why I think the left really wants to shift this into a democracy rather than a republic because they know that those people will vote themselves a raise or prevent anything that's going to harm their current environment.
01:21:06 And in a republic, you have some distance between the government and the people so that some of these tough decisions can be made.
01:21:15 And eventually, if nobody does it, I think we're going to all have to suffer from it.
01:21:18 And in some ways, the U.S. government still is going to become due.
01:21:21 Yeah, this timeline that Tim's talking about is if the structure of the government remains the same.
01:21:25 If the Democrats take power in 2028.
01:21:28 And they can actually implement the policies that they want.
01:21:31 As soon as they come up, as soon as they get the opportunity to pass Medicare for all, they will.
01:21:35 And the way they're going to pay for it is going to be print money.
01:21:39 Either way, it's going to be a disaster.
01:21:40 It's just how fast it happens.
01:21:41 Because nobody's going to change anything.
01:21:43 It's a little too gloom and doom.
01:21:45 If you show a glide path down on discretionary expenditure.
01:21:49 But nobody's showing the glide path.
01:21:50 Which is where there's a political consensus.
01:21:54 The problem is you just cannot get 60 votes in the Senate.
01:21:58 In Rand Paul's plan, after 10 years, the net interest in the debt has gone up.
01:22:02 After 10 years, it's still going up.
01:22:05 So it's now the number one item.
01:22:06 If the budget is balanced after five years and then you continue those cuts, I think maybe you get into a surplus and you can use that surplus to pay down the debt. 0.95
01:22:13 The problem is, in order to pay down the interest on the debt, not even the debt, if you want to pay down the principal, you have to cut a stupid amount of money.
01:22:25 Like we're talking about cutting the budget by 45%. 0.99
01:22:29 You hit the nail on the head.
01:22:31 You will never get. 1.00
01:22:33 Listen, go to boomers right now. 0.85
01:22:35 The polls have come out. 1.00
01:22:36 There's been numerous polls, and they don't like it when I say it.
01:22:38 But they want young people to pay higher taxes so they can maintain their social security benefits with cost of living.
01:22:45 Because now it's expected to go into not necessarily deficit, but drop down to around 71% as of like 2032 by 2037 total insolvency. 0.83
01:22:54 So the boomers are like, just make young people pay more, which I predicted a few years ago because the only thing that will happen.
01:23:01 And what did they say when polled? 0.93
01:23:02 I paid for it.
01:23:03 I deserve it.
01:23:05 Okay, well, the system is a recursive loop.
01:23:07 It's cooked.
01:23:08 There is no way to pay this down.
01:23:10 The only thing you can do is a couple things you can do.
01:23:12 Ian loved this.
01:23:13 You can default.
01:23:15 Sure, just nuke the whole system.
01:23:16 The petrodollar collapses and the system goes haywire for 20 years.
01:23:19 And then you rebuild after that. 0.71
01:23:20 That's World War I, that.
01:23:21 Oh, yeah, for sure.
01:23:22 Absolutely.
01:23:23 Because resource access is gone.
01:23:25 Tim, if you stop the bleeding around controls and discretionary expenditure, the cost of borrowing will go down.
01:23:31 And we're still the best of a bad bunch.
01:23:34 Pretty much every country has.
01:23:37 These issues around increasing debt.
01:23:40 The consequences are.
01:23:41 And so we need to have a plan and we need to have responsible policymakers, conservative policymakers that will implement it.
01:23:48 And every time we try to, we can't get 60 votes in the Senate because we never get 60 Republican votes.
01:23:52 So this is why I'm pushing back so hard.
01:23:54 What you're saying right now is exactly why I'm pushing back on what you're saying.
01:23:58 We've got, we just had, you know, a Democrat sweep, right?
01:24:02 You've got six, for the next six years, there will not be enough votes for Republicans to do.
01:24:08 Any of the stuff you're talking about.
01:24:10 So that puts us at 2032.
01:24:12 And 2032 is when Social Security starts falling apart.
01:24:15 So I understand what you're saying conceptually, like the things that you're talking about in theory make sense, but it ain't going to happen.
01:24:21 The next election is 28.
01:24:22 All right.
01:24:23 But that's not going to be, there's not going to be enough Republicans that we can take over.
01:24:27 So you want to cut discretionary spending.
01:24:29 About 60% of discretionary spending is DOD and Veterans Affairs.
01:24:35 Are we going to cut veteran benefits and defense spending?
01:24:39 No.
01:24:40 Okay, so next up, we have 40% to choose from.
01:24:43 What about education, training, employment, social services?
01:24:46 I mean, I would say you don't know.
01:24:49 Should we cut that?
01:24:50 I would say yes, but.
01:24:51 Yeah, you don't need to go to public school anymore.
01:24:53 So again, discretionary spending is $1.9 trillion, and we've got to cut $3 trillion.
01:24:58 Rand Paul has done a whole report about how you get there.
01:25:01 It's called the Penny Plan.
01:25:02 And one of his predecessors, Senator Mike Enzi from Wyoming, my home state, had the same plan.
01:25:09 It was inherited by Rand Paul.
01:25:11 And you should take a look at it, Tim, because it's not as difficult as you think it is.
01:25:16 Now, politically, it is difficult.
01:25:18 And I think that's part of why President Trump is saying, nuke the filibuster, because that's the only way we get to.
01:25:25 Passage of a budget resolution.
01:25:27 That's what John Thune was really like.
01:25:30 So here's the problem.
01:25:31 The penny plan, it's six cents off every dollar projected for five years, at which point the budget would be in balance.
01:25:37 Based on the calculations, we'd be in like a hundred billion dollar deficit or maybe like a 70 billion dollar deficit.
01:25:44 You still have a trillion dollars in interest you're paying.
01:25:47 So we just don't pay that down.
01:25:49 Based on Rand Paul's plan, it's like at least we're paying a trillion dollars in interest.
01:25:54 We're not paying down the debt.
01:25:56 Will be forever in debt and we can't grow, but it's better than collapse, right?
01:26:00 That's the elephant in the room.
01:26:01 And I feel like we're being held hostage by you were saying the cost of borrowing money is going to go down.
01:26:07 Who are we borrowing money from?
01:26:08 Ourselves.
01:26:09 That's a big problem.
01:26:09 Switzerland?
01:26:10 From national security.
01:26:10 No, ourselves.
01:26:11 No, who is ourselves?
01:26:12 Ourselves.
01:26:13 Ian, do you understand how the debt works?
01:26:15 It's from us.
01:26:15 It's from the Federal Reserve.
01:26:16 No, it's from people in the United States.
01:26:18 So I'll give you an example.
01:26:19 There's a construction company, right?
01:26:20 And they say, hey, we're going to build a street outside of D.C.
01:26:23 The federal government says, how much does it cost?
01:26:26 They say, $20 million.
01:26:28 They say, we approve the project.
01:26:30 The company will start building the roads and then invoice the government.
01:26:34 The government is just going to pull money from the coffers and pay them out.
01:26:38 Where are they getting the money from?
01:26:40 Tax revenue, largely.
01:26:42 Federal Reserve and printing it.
01:26:43 No, no, no, no.
01:26:44 Because let me explain.
01:26:45 We generate about $5.4 trillion per year.
01:26:48 When we add to the deficit, it's increasing the interest on the debt because instead of paying down the debt, which we accrue, we're only paying the interest.
01:26:55 We're effectively not paying the principal.
01:26:56 So again, the deficit increases when a company says, we'll do a $20 million job.
01:27:02 The government looks at each other and they go, Based on this timeline, we're not going to have enough money to pay these guys off.
01:27:08 So they're basically rolling checks.
01:27:09 That's what's happening.
01:27:10 So when you ask the question, who is the debt to?
01:27:13 It's to companies in the United States.
01:27:16 I see it a little different.
01:27:18 I think that the Federal Reserve is loaning the government money.
01:27:21 They're loaning them promissory notes.
01:27:23 The government promises to pay back.
01:27:24 That's not what the debt is.
01:27:26 The government promises to pay back the Federal Reserve at interest.
01:27:29 That is debt to the Federal Reserve.
01:27:30 But that's not how it works.
01:27:31 The debt ceiling is when a company says, Like the federal government says, we want to apply, you know, $100 million to missile production.
01:27:31 Okay.
01:27:39 Then the missile factory, you know, Lockheed or whoever else says, yeah, we can make those missiles.
01:27:44 You sign the contract.
01:27:45 When you sign a $100 million contract, nobody hands you $100 million, right?
01:27:48 I've signed $30 million contracts.
01:27:50 Nobody handed me a check for $30 million.
01:27:52 It's over X amount of time, we will pay out X amount of dollars.
01:27:56 The U.S. government is doing that.
01:27:57 So this is how businesses work, right?
01:27:59 Ye was a billionaire.
01:28:01 He's like, I'm worth a billion dollars.
01:28:02 Why?
01:28:02 Because he had something like a $300 million shoe contract.
01:28:06 The contract didn't give him money.
01:28:08 The contract was a liability on the books for Adidas or whatever company it was to pay him out over time, which was the value of the contract was hundreds of billions of dollars.
01:28:17 In which case, they said his net worth was hundreds of billions of dollars.
01:28:20 Then, when the contract disappeared, it's like, where'd that money go?
01:28:23 This is what the US government is doing.
01:28:25 They are telling you they're good for the money and then basically just saying, hey, we all agreed we can borrow a trillion dollars per year.
01:28:34 All in favor of borrowing another trillion this year?
01:28:37 That just means they're adding more bills to the books.
01:28:41 Here's another example.
01:28:41 Donald Trump famously was walking down the street with one of his sons.
01:28:44 I don't know if it was Eric or Donald Jr.
01:28:46 And he pointed to a homeless guy and said, See that homeless guy?
01:28:48 He's worth more money than I am.
01:28:50 And his son says, What do you mean, Dad?
01:28:52 You're rich.
01:28:53 And he goes, No, I have more debts than I have assets.
01:28:55 I have more liabilities than assets.
01:28:57 So when you calculate how much debt I have versus how much I own, I'm negative.
01:29:00 That homeless guy probably has 20 bucks in his pocket.
01:29:03 He's got a $20 net worth.
01:29:04 I'm negative $200 million.
01:29:06 So this is what the U.S. government is doing.
01:29:08 I'm reading about this.
01:29:10 I'm not an economist, obviously.
01:29:11 How much money did the Fed lend the U.S. government in 2025?
01:29:15 It says that the Fed buys bonds from the U.S. government.
01:29:18 So we're buying our own debt.
01:29:20 It holds the U.S. government by its nuts.
01:29:22 And if the Fed says, Now the U.S. money is no longer good and we own it, so that's why we say that, because we have.
01:29:27 Their bonds, that's a problem.
01:29:29 But that's not the debt.
01:29:30 When we're talking about the deficit, the debt, and spending, we're basically saying that we owe money to ourselves for the most part.
01:29:36 We have various companies and interests and contracts the U.S. government has signed on to where they're paying for these things, be it employment or otherwise, and they're putting out more than they're taking in and they're floating checks.
01:29:46 That's why when the interest surpasses the expense of everything, that's when it goes tits up because we won't be able to generate enough to actually accumulate debt.
01:29:54 To put it simply, when someone says, hey, government, you owe me $10 million, they're like, listen, listen, we're good.
01:30:00 For it, but we'll just pay you the interest.
01:30:02 How does that sound?
01:30:02 And they go, Sounds good to me because I'm going to be getting paid for the rest of my life.
01:30:05 If the company can finish the project at half the cost, we've cut the debt in half.
01:30:10 No.
01:30:11 When we sign a contract saying we have to pay $10 million.
01:30:14 If we're able now next year to sign the contract again, but it's $5 million because it only costs $5 million instead of $10.
01:30:18 Why would they sign it again?
01:30:19 They're already over.
01:30:20 But when the contract expires, you resign and you get it off before you can get paid.
01:30:24 Sure, the contract's over with Ian.
01:30:26 Now a new contract is signed with new technology that's cheaper.
01:30:29 No, that's not how you misunderstand.
01:30:31 Let's say I tell you, Ian, I'm going to write you a song for $1,000.
01:30:34 Sound good? 0.99
01:30:35 Sounds fucked. 1.00
01:30:35 Yep. 1.00
01:30:37 Pardon me.
01:30:37 Sounds exquisite, Tim.
01:30:38 Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
01:30:40 Every month, you're going to pay me, let's say, $83.
01:30:45 That way you can pay me off in a year's time.
01:30:49 And the interest rate is going to be 5% because I'm financing you, right?
01:30:54 Sound good?
01:30:55 Yeah, sure.
01:30:55 So you're going to owe 5%.
01:30:57 So instead of paying me the $83 per month, you pay the interest.
01:31:00 And I go, well, your debt's going up because you're not paying it down.
01:31:04 This is like, When student loans become like when your debt is higher than what you took on because you're not paying it down, the interest keeps accumulating.
01:31:12 So it's going to keep getting worse.
01:31:15 We're going to accumulate more and more debt.
01:31:18 The US keeps making promises they can pay things every single year.
01:31:22 And Donald Trump said the strategy to solving this problem is inflation.
01:31:25 And that's technically true.
01:31:27 If you take on a ton of debt, decimate the value of your currency, you can then generate substantially more three, four years later, and the debt becomes worth less.
01:31:38 If a dollar is worth less, what it can buy is worth less, and what you need to do to get the dollar takes less. 0.67
01:31:44 So the U.S. does this with foreign governments all the time.
01:31:47 That's why China and Russia are pissed.
01:31:48 The Fed owns $4.2 trillion of treasury debt bonds, which means the U.S. has to pay a percentage.
01:31:59 So the way the bonds work would be you give me a million dollars, I agree to pay you back 5% after 30 years.
01:32:04 And the dollars are Federal Reserve notes.
01:32:07 So it's not American dollars, they're Federal Reserve notes, which is passes through the Swiss bank.
01:32:11 I think what you're talking about is a systemic issue that is not at issue for the most part.
01:32:17 Well, it should be because it says Federal Reserve note on your dollar bill.
01:32:21 This is not what we're talking about.
01:32:22 You're talking about national debt, and you're not talking about the Federal Reserve?
01:32:26 Ian, you're speaking internet conspiracy nonsense.
01:32:28 You think that you have dollars in your pockets?
01:32:29 They're called Federal Reserve notes.
01:32:30 It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
01:32:33 We owe the Federal Reserve 6% on their $4 trillion that they've loaned us.
01:32:37 Of course, that's debt.
01:32:38 That's just T bills.
01:32:39 Everybody's got T bills.
01:32:41 What's a T bill?
01:32:42 Ian, I implore you if you don't know what this stuff is to just stop acting like you do.
01:32:50 Well, I mean, what aspect of it?
01:32:51 Like arguing about a note has written on it, Federal Reserve is immaterial to the fact that Lockheed Martin got a $50 million contract for missiles and the U.S. is paying the minimum on the credit card every month, so the debt's getting worse and worse.
01:33:03 What you're saying is we don't owe the Federal Reserve any debt.
01:33:03 Okay, okay.
01:33:05 I did not say that at all.
01:33:06 What are you saying then?
01:33:08 What's T Bill's?
01:33:09 I'm going to say this.
01:33:10 I'm not going to dedicate this show to trying to help you understand.
01:33:13 Dude, I'm trying to help the world right now.
01:33:16 We're entangled with a Federal Reserve globalized monetary system. 0.98
01:33:19 There is nothing more dangerous than an ignorant zealot trying to change the world. 0.94
01:33:24 There's a lot more things dangerous than that. 0.99
01:33:26 It's hyperbole, Ian.
01:33:27 Okay, well, get literally. 1.00
01:33:31 Give the ignorant zealot a nuclear bomb and then see how dangerous it gets. 1.00
01:33:31 Jeez. 1.00
01:33:36 So ultimately, let's go back to this.
01:33:38 Rand Paul's plan is not real.
01:33:41 I don't think anyone has a real plan.
01:33:43 I think nobody wants to tell the most powerful voting bloc in the country, retirees, that they have to cut Social Security because they do, or Medicare, which makes up a third or more of the debt.
01:33:55 We have to pay down the debt.
01:33:57 The interest is going to take over everything and the system will buckle.
01:34:02 Unless the argument is, let's just print money until the dollar is worth a tenth of where it is today.
01:34:07 Going back to.
01:34:08 And then the debt is worthless. 0.97
01:34:09 To your prior point about the boomers being on their way out soon, do you think that solves the problem? 0.92
01:34:16 Demographically speaking, there's going to be this kind of bubble of people who are a part of the system that won't need it anymore. 0.99
01:34:21 Perhaps.
01:34:22 Well, no, Gen X is going to demand it. 0.86
01:34:25 And they're going to say the boomers melt us for all worth and we don't get it. 0.99
01:34:27 Yeah, right. 1.00
01:34:29 Like, this is the reality. 0.99
01:34:31 A society grows strong when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit beneath. 0.68
01:34:36 And we are a country of people who say, screw you, I'm going to chop the tree down so I can have a chair.
01:34:42 And there are good people, don't get me wrong. 0.82
01:34:44 There are people who fight this every day, but no, if you want to find if someone is telling you the truth about how we solve this problem, they say, we got to cut Social Security and Medicaid.
01:34:55 And all the incentives are wrong because the people, like Tim said, the largest voting bloc, Is people that are older, right? 0.75
01:35:02 Boomers and older Gen X.
01:35:05 And those are the people that are most likely going to say, no, I want to make sure that I get my Social Security. 1.00
01:35:11 And here's what gets worse. 0.72
01:35:13 Because Gen Alpha is so small and because Gen Z didn't grow, this means that the retiree block is going to be larger than the youth block. 0.64
01:35:21 So when you poll boomers and 85% say they want young people to pay more in taxes, that will get voted in. 0.53
01:35:27 And then what young people are going to do is they're going to vote for communists to burn the whole thing down.
01:35:31 And they may not be communists, but they're going to say, I don't know or care if it will get worse.
01:35:37 I want you to suffer, which is what we see with the DSA and we see with the America First movement.
01:35:41 I mean, that's what we saw with the opening story today, right?
01:35:43 The guy's got plenty of money.
01:35:45 He's fighting with the dude that he feels oppresses him.
01:35:48 And so he shoots the guy.
01:35:50 I'm just saying look, go to a 20 year old right now and say, I know you're broke.
01:35:54 I know you can't afford to buy a house. 1.00
01:35:56 You can't get a wife. 1.00
01:35:57 You can't have kids. 0.96
01:35:58 First time homebuyers are 40 years old, but we need to raise your taxes so that you can pay the retirees.
01:36:06 Who did have families and did live.
01:36:08 You tell that to a 20 year old right now, and he's going to be like, I'm going to vote for the communists.
01:36:13 And that's why, and this is one of the reasons why so many Groypers did vote Democrat.
01:36:17 I love you guys.
01:36:18 It sounds like you're wallowing in a pit of despair.
01:36:21 It's really sad.
01:36:22 You talk about Team Bum Out.
01:36:24 Like, bro, there's a way forward.
01:36:25 You may not see it.
01:36:26 That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
01:36:27 There is a way forward.
01:36:28 We have a call to cutting some security.
01:36:29 A congressman, about to be a sitting congressman, trying to help save this stuff.
01:36:34 And to tell him it can't be saved is like.
01:36:35 No one said that.
01:36:36 You said it.
01:36:37 I said, we have to cut Social Security.
01:36:40 We have to be paid down.
01:36:41 You mean me?
01:36:42 Okay, okay.
01:36:43 You can provide a glide path towards decreasing expenditure through discretionary expenditure reductions.
01:36:43 All right.
01:36:51 You can.
01:36:52 The US can pay down its debt by inflating the economy through quantitative easing, which basically is just stripping the buying power from every savings account and every retirement account.
01:37:01 And people feel it less because the money doesn't disappear and they can't see the immediate repercussions going to the grocery store when their Apple costs $10.
01:37:08 So, indeed, economically, there is a really easy manipulative path forward and it's quantitative easing.
01:37:16 And then we can just print $40 trillion and pay the debt overnight.
01:37:20 And then what happens?
01:37:21 We get hyperinflation.
01:37:22 People are like, whoa, my milk is $10, but it happens over a period of three months instead of taxing them instantly.
01:37:32 The simple reality is there are a couple things we can do.
01:37:36 We can be honest and say if we're going to pay down the interest, like that's forever.
01:37:40 The interest never goes away, the interest is there every year at the same number.
01:37:44 So you not only have to pay the trillion dollars in interest, you've got to pay a trillion dollars towards the debt, which is going to cover 140th.
01:37:52 Lord have mercy.
01:37:56 We could conquer a country. 0.71
01:37:58 Seriously, I mean, we could drop a bunch of nuclear bombs and wipe out the government of a foreign nation to the victor go the spoils and then use that to bolster our economy, take over the world, and then use slave labor. 0.64
01:38:08 We could do quantitative easing, which would, at this point, with a $40 trillion debt and a trillion dollar interest on the debt, we'd probably see milk go to $10 a gallon. 0.71
01:38:18 And it would happen over three to six months.
01:38:20 People would start losing their minds.
01:38:22 But after that period of tumult and depression, things would start to normalize and people would just be like, it's normal that I work at a gas station for $100 an hour.
01:38:29 Then the U.S. can pay off their debt.
01:38:31 Which basically just destroys the buying power of the contracts that it signed onto.
01:38:37 That's probably what they're going to do.
01:38:38 It's what Donald Trump said he was going to do.
01:38:40 What are your thoughts on not paying the interest on the debt?
01:38:44 That's okay.
01:38:45 So when you default, like I said, there's going to be a bunch of American contractors, there's going to be post offices and employees who don't get paid, and you're going to see total economic collapse.
01:38:55 Because every dollar you borrow from the Federal Reserve is we owe them back that dollar plus interest.
01:39:01 If you borrow the money to pay off the debt, you immediately owe interest on all that money you borrowed.
01:39:06 So it's a recursive Ponzi scheme.
01:39:09 It's not liberty.
01:39:12 I mean, we're stuck a little tangled up in it, but it's not a liberious way forward.
01:39:17 It seems like we have been strangled to death by some authoritarian management system to try and defeat the Nazis.
01:39:24 No, it was largely about preventing the Federal Reserve was intended to control the economy, that they could alter interest rates and print money and buy money.
01:39:36 For the purpose of manipulating the economy when human behaviors altered it in a negative way.
01:39:42 By all means, argue that's a bad thing.
01:39:44 I don't care.
01:39:44 But that's the point.
01:39:45 So, when you get market stagnation, they can say, okay, the market is stagnating.
01:39:50 Let's decrease interest rates.
01:39:51 That way, people choose to spend.
01:39:52 If the market is too hot, then you increase interest rates and people say, I'm going to save because the interest rates are going to generate money for you.
01:39:58 I don't want to take a loan out right now, which is part of the problem that we're seeing with the housing market, right?
01:40:02 7%.
01:40:03 I think the prime rate today is like seven and a half or something.
01:40:06 Or something like that.
01:40:07 So, then you add on the percentage rate that the bank, that your Borrowing from, you're going to get an 8%, 8.5%, 9% interest rate.
01:40:13 Which is not even the worst it's been.
01:40:14 I mean, in the 80s, it was like 13%, 14%.
01:40:16 But the mortgages weren't for 30 years back then, were they?
01:40:19 I don't know, but the houses weren't worth that expensive.
01:40:21 Yeah, they weren't.
01:40:22 To be fair, I mean, you get a job at a mall and you'd make $40,000 a year, and back then, that was enough to carry your family.
01:40:28 So when the Fed raises interest rates, that's the interest rates on the banks, as far as I know.
01:40:32 Correct me if I'm wrong.
01:40:33 They'll say 4% interest rates.
01:40:34 That means when the banks borrow from the Fed, they have to pay it back at 4%.
01:40:37 Then the banks own it to me at 10%.
01:40:40 Well, depending on your credit score and other things, but it's called the prime rate, the rate that the banks borrow money from the Federal Reserve.
01:40:49 Right now, it's seven and a half.
01:40:50 What he was talking about is as you increase productivity, interest rates will go down.
01:40:57 But if interest rates go down, people are more likely to borrow money.
01:41:01 People are more likely to spend money.
01:41:03 That increases the amount of money in the system, which can cause inflation if you don't have corresponding productivity.
01:41:09 When the interest rates go below zero, which they do from time to time, does that mean that if I borrow $100, say interest rates are at negative 10%, if I borrow $100, I only pay $90 back?
01:41:18 Negative interest rates, you lose money by keeping money in.
01:41:23 In account.
01:41:24 And negative interest rates are rare.
01:41:26 How many times has the U.S. actually implemented negative interest rates?
01:41:28 Not sure.
01:41:29 I don't know.
01:41:29 Let me check.
01:41:30 It's a little outside of the wheelhouse.
01:41:32 We're not trying to jump all over you.
01:41:35 It's just that these are things that we.
01:41:37 This is why we in the Republican Conference are working towards a plan to control expenditure.
01:41:45 And that glide path down is what's going to bring confidence to the markets, lower the cost of borrowing, increase productivity.
01:41:55 And grow the economy.
01:42:02 What is your plan to get Democrats on board?
01:42:05 Because the biggest hurdle you have is the fact that obviously the politicians in the U.S., the Republicans and Democrats are extremely polarized.
01:42:14 How do you get Democrats to work with you when, honestly, the best thing for the Democrat Party for the next two years is to have a sluggish economy that they can pin on Donald Trump and pin on Republicans?
01:42:26 They can say, look, We tried to do all this stuff, but Donald Trump wouldn't let us.
01:42:30 He vetoed blah, And then that puts their chances of getting a Democrat elected in 2028 that gives them better chances.
01:42:38 That's an entirely different issue, though.
01:42:39 No, but how do you get Democrats to sign on to any kind of fiscal responsibility?
01:42:42 You don't think my charm could.
01:42:44 I mean, Phil, I think you know the answer to that question.
01:42:47 I'm asking him because he's the one that's going to be in Congress.
01:42:50 It's the problem we have.
01:42:51 Answer back to what I was talking about earlier is that our ceiling in the Republican Party has.
01:42:58 Always been lower than when the pendulum shifts in the Democrat ceiling.
01:43:02 We have never had 60 votes in the Senate, ever.
01:43:05 And without a filibuster, that means you're always, with a filibuster, that means you are always going to rely on having to have Democrats.
01:43:12 Filibuster is not even a real thing, though.
01:43:13 That's the problem on why you can't control it.
01:43:16 The problem then is John Thune.
01:43:18 Well, look at the Save America Act.
01:43:21 I'm an election integrity chief election official of our state.
01:43:21 They've voted against it.
01:43:25 We can't pass the Save America Act, which we got done in Wyoming, voter ID, proof of citizenship for registering to vote.
01:43:31 We can't get it through the United States Senate.
01:43:33 Why not?
01:43:35 Because of inertia and the fact that.
01:43:37 So, what I will say is, Phil, there's an answer to your question.
01:43:39 I can have it.
01:43:40 No, no, no, no.
01:43:41 There's an answer to your question.
01:43:42 How do you get Democrats on board?
01:43:44 You cross the Rubicon.
01:43:45 Well, okay, fair enough.
01:43:46 I think that's what President Trump is saying about ending the filibuster.
01:43:50 Oh, no, I crossed the Rubicon.
01:43:51 It's something much, much worse.
01:43:52 We're talking Lincoln esque behaviors.
01:43:55 Well, I mean, ending the filibuster is how you clear the Save America Act.
01:43:58 That could be done in a second in this lame duck session.
01:44:01 To be fair, ending the filibuster, yes, in the lame duck session, the Republicans could.
01:44:05 Fundamentally alter this country in ways that will save it.
01:44:08 But they won't because they're all scared.
01:44:10 They're all squishy.
01:44:11 That's it.
01:44:12 They're just squishy.
01:44:13 The election's over.
01:44:14 You know, the Republican senators lost.
01:44:17 Do something, but they won't.
01:44:19 Well, they might.
01:44:20 And I think largely it's because it's just easy to do quantitative easing.
01:44:26 You know what I mean?
01:44:27 Just easy.
01:44:28 Just whatever.
01:44:29 Who cares about the retirement funds?
01:44:30 Who cares about savings? 1.00
01:44:31 Who cares about Gen Z? 1.00
01:44:33 We'll just open the border and bring in 50 million Hondurans. 0.99
01:44:36 I know they don't have 50 million people in Honduras. 0.98
01:44:38 We'll get them from other places like Eritrea.
01:44:40 The key is to build confidence.
01:44:42 And it can be hard when you don't see, because I don't want to lie to people.
01:44:45 If I don't see an answer, I don't want to bullshit them.
01:44:48 Like I do to give you confidence.
01:44:48 I'm not going to pretend like.
01:44:50 It's happened to me too many times.
01:44:51 But like you said earlier, confidence in the markets is what keeps the markets going.
01:44:56 So you need to.
01:44:57 I'm not saying you guys.
01:44:59 Look, say whatever you want.
01:45:00 You're you, you're you.
01:45:01 But I think one of our jobs in the media is to build confidence and give people a glimmer, give them something that could potentially work.
01:45:11 I mean, Elon Musk.
01:45:12 What if there isn't one?
01:45:13 Well, if you don't see one, that doesn't mean that there isn't one.
01:45:16 If there literally isn't one, then we're all dead anyway.
01:45:17 So it doesn't matter.
01:45:18 So you might as well pretend like there's one.
01:45:20 Well, that's an exaggeration, too.
01:45:22 The collapse of the economy doesn't mean everyone dies and the world ends.
01:45:26 It means we get a depression and then people have to pick up the scraps over 10 years.
01:45:31 So the issue right now is it is a fact, Ian.
01:45:34 There is no mechanism by which Democrats or Republicans will ever pay down the debt.
01:45:39 Fact.
01:45:42 I don't know if that's true, dude.
01:45:43 Because if you increase the value.
01:45:44 No, I'm sorry.
01:45:44 I'm sorry.
01:45:45 I'm talking about right now. 0.98
01:45:46 Like in 10 years of the fundamental, you know, with the boomers dying off, I don't know how Gen X will act. 0.91
01:45:51 I'm saying literally right now, in the next two to four years, There is no circumstance by which Democrats and Republicans are going to actually solve this problem. 0.74
01:45:59 One, for the reason that Phil brought up, Democrats want a destabilized economy to blame the Republicans so they can take power and implement policies that they want.
01:46:08 The other is that neither party would dare tell the voter what needs to be said.
01:46:12 They've got to cut Medicare and Social Security at least 20, 30% to begin the process. 0.94
01:46:18 And the worst part is everyone, like, basically, particularly the boomers, right? 0.85
01:46:23 They know that the only way to fix the debt.
01:46:28 Crash that's likely to come is by cutting Social Security.
01:46:31 They're generally aware of it.
01:46:33 No, they're increasing it.
01:46:34 Well, yeah, exactly.
01:46:36 But this is not the first time that this conversation has been had.
01:46:42 It's something that people hate to hear and they'll vote against it.
01:46:45 But everybody kind of knows that there is a crisis looming, that this is going to be a serious problem for the United States economy.
01:46:55 Everyone knows it's going to happen in about 2032, 2033, depending on a few variables.
01:47:01 And they still don't want to do it.
01:47:04 I'm going to mention a separate issue that relates very similarly, though, and that's illegal immigration.
01:47:09 The United States is addicted to illegal immigration.
01:47:11 The reason why is we see a lot of these videos. 0.91
01:47:13 There's one viral video where a guy says that he was a Trump voter, but he voted blue, he voted Democrat because Trump was deporting his illegal laborers.
01:47:20 Here's the issue you have a bunch of companies, and let's say construction, roofing, a good example.
01:47:27 And let's say they charge $100 for the job, just a flat number, easy to say.
01:47:31 I know it's more than $100, it's $100,000, but just say $100 bucks.
01:47:34 And so one guy says, I want to buy, I want my roof fixed.
01:47:39 So I'm going to put out the, I'm going to call a bunch of companies.
01:47:42 Company A says, I'll be $100 to fix your roof.
01:47:44 And they go, okay, Company B, how much to fix the, how much do you charge to fix the roof?
01:47:48 And he goes, $100.
01:47:49 And they go, yeah, I mean, Company A already told me $100.
01:47:52 Can you do better?
01:47:53 And he goes, geez, man, I mean, not really.
01:47:55 That's razor thin margins for him.
01:47:56 And he goes, well, I appreciate it.
01:47:57 He calls Company C and says, how much to fix the roof?
01:47:57 He hangs up.
01:47:59 And the guy says, yeah, $100.
01:48:01 And he goes, look, I called Company A and Company B already.
01:48:03 They both said $100.
01:48:04 I'm going to go with Company A because I got no reason to go with you.
01:48:06 And the guy goes, 95.
01:48:08 $95?
01:48:09 And he goes, $95, I'll do it.
01:48:11 Then that guy who just said $95 goes to his business partner and says, We got a new job, it's $95. 0.96
01:48:15 And his partner says, Are you nuts?
01:48:17 $100, we're at like a 1% margin. 0.79
01:48:19 At $95, we're in the red.
01:48:21 We're losing money doing the job.
01:48:22 And he goes, Don't worry.
01:48:24 We'll get a couple of guys from Home Depot and we can pay them half.
01:48:26 Oh, okay.
01:48:27 So he does the job for $95, brings in a couple of legal day laborers.
01:48:30 They get paid less.
01:48:31 He doesn't got to worry about regulations.
01:48:32 He doesn't got to worry about OSHA because these guys are working illegal as it is.
01:48:35 He doesn't got to worry about employment tax.
01:48:36 He pays him cash under the table and he says, There we go.
01:48:40 We maintained our 1-2% margin on this deal.
01:48:42 It's probably a little bit better than 1 or 2, but that's how we do it.
01:48:45 Well, now the problem is, dude got his roof done for $95.
01:48:49 So he calls, his neighbor calls Company A and says, I need my roof done.
01:48:52 He goes, ah, BS.
01:48:52 He goes, $100.
01:48:53 Company C does it for $95.
01:48:55 And they go, what?
01:48:56 $95?
01:48:57 That's not possible.
01:48:58 The materials alone are going to put us in the red.
01:48:59 And he goes, I guess I'll go with Company C.
01:49:01 And the guy goes, $90.
01:49:03 $90.
01:49:04 I'll do it $90.
01:49:05 And he goes, $90, you got a deal.
01:49:08 Company A gets up the phone, goes to his business partner and says, I told him $90.
01:49:11 And he goes, oh my God, dude, that's not possible.
01:49:13 And he goes, listen, just replace the workers we have with day laborers illegally.
01:49:17 We'll have, No employment tax. 0.82
01:49:19 We don't got to pay benefits.
01:49:20 It'll be cheap.
01:49:20 We can afford it.
01:49:22 Let's do it. 0.99
01:49:23 So he fires his American laborers, hires illegal because now he can pay them under the table. 0.99
01:49:26 He can avoid regulation, cost, taxation, and he can pay them dirt. 0.99
01:49:30 Now the going rate for all roofing is $90 with a maximum illegal immigrant labor force. 1.00
01:49:36 Now good old American Jim says Americans need good jobs. 0.99
01:49:41 And if a young man wants to have a house and raise a family, he needs to get paid $5 per job. 0.97
01:49:48 So he tells somebody, listen, don't hire them. 1.00
01:49:51 They're hiring illegal immigrants. 1.00
01:49:53 I hire American. 0.93
01:49:54 And you know what the homeowner says? 0.98
01:49:56 I don't care.
01:49:58 It's $90.
01:50:00 That's the addiction to illegal immigration.
01:50:02 So Trump comes in and he begins deporting these people for the sake of helping the younger generation.
01:50:08 He begins securing the border for the younger generation.
01:50:11 He implements tariffs.
01:50:12 And what does he get in response?
01:50:14 The biggest swing to the Democrats this country has seen in 50 years because we are addicts.
01:50:20 And we are not going to break that.
01:50:21 I would even say it's beyond illegal immigration is the addiction. 1.00
01:50:24 It's to cheap labor because they'll do the same thing legally with Chinese labor. 1.00
01:50:28 They'll be like, look, I can do the job for $85. 1.00
01:50:30 Same argument.
01:50:31 And then they'll offshore the manufacturing.
01:50:31 Yeah.
01:50:33 That's the problem with that it's legal.
01:50:34 So it's cheap labor.
01:50:35 And that's why Trump implemented the tariffs, which is my point. 0.68
01:50:38 So when companies say, let's have Chinese slaves make our products for pennies on the dollar, Trump says, if I put a 30% tariff on that product, the American product is cheaper. 0.91
01:50:47 You got to hire American labor now. 0.55
01:50:48 And that makes things more expensive.
01:50:49 And the American people revolted.
01:50:51 And they voted for Democrats because they were like, I want cheap stuff, which means in the long run, we are just in a recursive death spiral.
01:51:00 The Americans are addicted.
01:51:01 You can't get them off the drug.
01:51:02 Tim, President Trump has the highest approvals around what he's done to secure the border.
01:51:07 I mean, that's the highest approval rating, issue by issue, is what he has done to stop illegal immigration.
01:51:13 The American people understand that we need to enforce our laws.
01:51:18 I think that maybe pertaining to the southern border, because people were mad about seeing a million people, but when they voted, They voted to stop what he was doing.
01:51:25 He softened up on it, didn't he, the last week or so?
01:51:27 Yeah, he's calling for amnesty.
01:51:29 And then he walked it back when people complained, but this is the second time he's called for amnesty.
01:51:33 I don't think for a second Trump actually wants mass deportations.
01:51:37 He's done some key deportations, a couple hundred thousand targeting the worst of the worst, but Trump does not want to deport hospitality and farm workers.
01:51:46 I do.
01:51:47 Indeed.
01:51:48 And a lot of Americans do.
01:51:50 And the problem is, Gen Alpha is half the size of Gen Z. 0.98
01:51:52 And without that labor force, the economy is going to buckle because boomers are currently 60 million. 0.71
01:51:58 And Gen Alpha is 45, and boomers want to tax Gen Alpha to pay their Social Security.
01:52:02 But there's, you need four laborers, four American workers paying taxes to fund one Social Security recipient.
01:52:10 At current, as it decreases, it's around 2.7 to 4.
01:52:13 So you can do the low end of 2.7.
01:52:16 Right now, we have 0.5 with Gen Alpha.
01:52:18 So what are we going to do?
01:52:19 Democrats had a plan open the border and bring in 20 million people to fill that gap to pay Social Security.
01:52:24 Do you, how do you feel about taxing corporations more, particularly AI corporations?
01:52:30 I'll just go overseas.
01:52:31 They're already doing it.
01:52:32 Since the Democrats announced they're going to put a moratorium on Bernie Sanders at this, a bunch of these companies have already started opening in the Bahamas and in China and other countries.
01:52:40 Well, but as a, I mean, for you, kind of represent the Republican Party in the room anyway, but I know the Republicans are notorious or known a lot for like releasing regulation on corporations and letting the corporatocracy kind of thrive.
01:52:50 Do you align with that?
01:52:52 Oh, there is so much we can do to lower regulations in this country and deregulate to grow the economy.
01:52:52 What do you see?
01:53:00 I mean, the Supreme Court decision a couple years ago, the end of Chevron deference, is an enormous opportunity for us to grow the economy around ending these out of control regulations.
01:53:11 I mean, you just look at my stadium, I mean, Oil and gas.
01:53:14 We can't extract oil and gas in the whole Powder River Basin because one judge is waving around a single regulation to stop us from being able to have oil and gas wells.
01:53:25 I mean, it's just outrageous.
01:53:27 You go down the list soda ash mines, China's dumping their inferior soda ash product and manipulating the markets.
01:53:36 Regulation is damaging the American economy.
01:53:40 And one of the things this administration is trying to do is grow it.
01:53:44 Around a deregulatory effort.
01:53:46 I mean, it's hard work.
01:53:48 One problem with deregulating completely is that the corporations can become more powerful than governments themselves.
01:53:54 So, like the East India Trading Company is an example of that.
01:53:58 Standard Oil, John Rockefeller's company, was so powerful.
01:54:01 I mean, they could strangle New York City, shut off the railroads.
01:54:04 And so you need to make sure corporations don't overpower your government.
01:54:08 But are you, do you guys, do you think like that?
01:54:11 Are you interested in like taxing?
01:54:12 Because why I brought it up is taxing AI companies to pay for Social Security.
01:54:16 Are statutes around monopolies, which is a whole other issue.
01:54:20 And previous administrations have gone away from that.
01:54:23 And that's why you see a lot of agglomeration and higher concentration in certain industries.
01:54:29 And that market power causes higher prices.
01:54:34 And so stopping monopolies is a whole different issue.
01:54:38 And that's consistent with a free market economy.
01:54:41 So Anthropic and ChatGPT seem to have, it's not a monopoly, but a duopoly.
01:54:47 On American AI?
01:54:49 Should we instate duopoly regulations?
01:54:53 I really think that we need to enforce our laws around monopolies across the board.
01:54:59 It's tough with tech because if you split a tech company into six tech companies, the same thing with Rockefeller when they broke up Standard Oil, they made six new companies, oil companies that he owned part of.
01:55:06 He became more rich after the breakup.
01:55:09 We got to go to Rumble Rants and Super Chats.
01:55:11 And then we're going to the uncensored portion of the show.
01:55:13 But let's see what you guys have to say.
01:55:14 Super Pooper says nobody gives an F about the shooting, you F. Talk about imprisoning John Thune.
01:55:21 Based.
01:55:22 Yeah, I mean, we're voting him out, but Trump loves him.
01:55:25 That's why I think it's all fake.
01:55:26 Because Trump's like, Massey's got to go, but John Thune, he's great.
01:55:30 Trump never wanted to pass a Save Act.
01:55:32 He's lying.
01:55:33 If Trump wanted to pass a Save Act, he would have campaigned against John Thune the way he did against Thomas Massey.
01:55:38 I understand John Thune's on it for reelection for a few more years.
01:55:41 He would have put the pressure on him and he would have threatened to extend that pressure.
01:55:44 He did.
01:55:45 I mean, he really did.
01:55:46 Not like he did Massey.
01:55:48 Not like he did Massey.
01:55:49 Earlier this year.
01:55:50 I mean, they weren't even going to sign a bill that the Senate passed around all this stuff that they worked on for years.
01:55:50 No way.
01:55:56 When did he say that John Thune was a crazy grandstander who betrayed the people and betrayed his country? 0.92
01:56:01 Like, he was shreds over Epstein stuff. 0.74
01:56:05 So you can tell what he was more worried about.
01:56:07 He was worried about the Epstein stuff getting released, and he was not at all that worried about the Save Act.
01:56:11 And then John Thune gets elected minority leader, and he's like, let's go.
01:56:15 And it's awesome.
01:56:16 It's worth noting that, you know, the swing that the.
01:56:20 Enjoyed in the past election.
01:56:22 A lot of it was because people feel like the Republicans were not paying attention to the voter.
01:56:27 And I think that even though the SAVE Act wasn't the major cause, I think the gas prices in the Iran war are the major causes.
01:56:34 The fact that John Thune wouldn't bring the Save America Act up for a vote, that was a big thing for the American people because most people that were paying attention to the Save Act were like, it's 75% of America that likes this.
01:56:49 Democrats are in agreement.
01:56:50 This isn't over 75%.
01:56:53 Well, it's something like I saw it.
01:56:54 It's over 50% of Democrats.
01:56:56 Yeah, I saw it was like 85% of Republicans and like 70% of Democrats when you put it together.
01:57:01 The details don't really matter.
01:57:03 It was big enough.
01:57:04 Where it was basically a super majority of Americans think that we should have voter ID.
01:57:08 And the fact that Thune wouldn't bring it up, the fact that Republicans didn't even vote on it, made people say, they definitely don't care what we think.
01:57:17 It was a really bad moment.
01:57:18 Yeah.
01:57:19 Really bad moment.
01:57:19 They could have at least just lost.
01:57:21 But the problem is nobody wanted to be the person to be the Republican vote against it.
01:57:25 And so that's, he said, we just won't vote on it then.
01:57:27 And so I got to be honest.
01:57:29 I know a lot of Republicans.
01:57:30 Well, he brought it on the floor.
01:57:32 It's just that they didn't have enough for cloture.
01:57:35 And that's why President Trump was saying, look, Let's end the filibuster.
01:57:39 I know what, and he didn't do that, and they should have, and it's fake because, you know, Taylor Rico is saying he would vote to end it right now.
01:57:46 But I'll tell you, I know a lot of people who said that they don't want to vote Democrat, they don't like Democrats, but they're not going to vote Republican.
01:57:52 And so, one of the reasons we saw Blue Wave.
01:57:54 Well, I don't think it's going to happen.
01:57:56 I think, you know, my vote for Trump and the Republicans was anomalous.
01:58:03 I voted for Obama in 2008, I didn't vote until 2020 when Trump's second term, And he lost, and Biden was bad.
01:58:10 I knew it was going to be bad.
01:58:11 And that's why I voted for Trump.
01:58:12 And then 24, I voted for Trump.
01:58:14 And we got two years with some great stuff.
01:58:15 I mean, the border security was fantastic.
01:58:18 Then we got a war in Iran without proper articulation as to the cause.
01:58:23 We're told up and down one week we win, one week we lose, one week we win.
01:58:27 It's just probably the worst White House communications we've ever seen.
01:58:35 The worst administration articulation of.
01:58:39 Of policy and procedure.
01:58:41 And that's why the Democrats won so tremendously because the Republican Party could not articulate what they were going to do for anybody and what they had been doing for anybody.
01:58:48 So it's like for me right now, I was just, who was I just talking to?
01:58:53 I did a couple of interviews and I'm like, yeah, if the Democrats drop woke, right?
01:58:58 If like John Assoff is running and he's like, I don't want any of that weird woke stuff. 1.00
01:59:02 We don't want trans kids. 1.00
01:59:03 We're not doing any of that. 1.00
01:59:04 We want, you know, basic traditional Democrat Party stuff, then.
01:59:09 Nine million people are going to vote Democrat and Republicans are gone for it.
01:59:11 But they're not going to drop woke because they're controlled by that sector of the party.
01:59:16 But not anymore, considering this is the risk andor opportunity.
01:59:20 Because they won so tremendously, they have an opportunity to say, we won the middle.
01:59:26 So now you can choose to be beholden to the middle, like Joe Rogan and Shane Gillis, instead of wackaloon Antifa.
01:59:33 And I don't think that's going to happen.
01:59:34 I think the pendulum's going to shift again.
01:59:35 And give us a chance, Tim.
01:59:36 They don't have.
01:59:37 And give us a chance, Tim.
01:59:38 They don't have.
01:59:38 Show that we have the policies.
01:59:41 Well, not in two years.
01:59:42 To save this country.
01:59:43 And the Democrats don't have to drop a woke forever.
01:59:45 They just have to be smart enough to be like, we won't talk about it until we win the presidency in 2028.
01:59:50 Two years.
01:59:51 All they have to do is be sane for two years.
01:59:52 Now, I don't have a lot of faith in Democrats.
01:59:54 I don't think they're going to be.
01:59:55 But look, if you're a Democrat strategist, you can be like, look, just chill for two years when we get the White House, the House, and the Senate in 28.
02:00:08 Then whatever you want, anything crazy.
02:00:11 We got that dude. 0.63
02:00:11 Let's get a couple more. 0.63
02:00:14 Keeping Tim Cass tradition, me and my wife at the hospital with our third baby boy.
02:00:18 Hey, yo.
02:00:19 Nice.
02:00:19 And Judge Belowit, AVGAND, says, Per Tim Cass tradition, I'm currently winning my wife to welcome our first of many children.
02:00:27 Can I have a big yeah for you?
02:00:29 Hell yeah.
02:00:30 Hell yeah.
02:00:32 Viva MAGA says, please rebook Rob G. All right.
02:00:36 Thank you.
02:00:37 He wants you back, bro.
02:00:38 He actually said three times.
02:00:39 Hey, thank you, Viva MAGA.
02:00:41 He says, we're missing out on your knowledge.
02:00:43 He wants you to chime in.
02:00:45 We appreciate it.
02:00:45 Everybody's yelling.
02:00:46 We love you, Rob G.
02:00:47 Yeah, it's really cool.
02:00:48 You're local, so we should do more stuff.
02:00:50 Love to.
02:00:50 Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:00:51 This was a lot of fun.
02:00:52 Just come back tomorrow.
02:00:52 Oh, yeah.
02:00:55 Everybody's saying they want to see it.
02:00:56 You know, walk down the street, huh?
02:00:56 Just come back tomorrow.
02:00:58 All right.
02:00:58 We can grab a couple more here.
02:01:00 Let's see what we got, my friends.
02:01:03 Anybody else?
02:01:04 TP for Sheezy says Microsoft Outlook has been down since 9 45 a.m.
02:01:08 Super abnormal to be down this long, and they don't know what the issue is.
02:01:11 Huge story brewing agreed.
02:01:13 And in the news, they're like, it doesn't appear to be a cyber attack.
02:01:15 And I say, shenanigans, because you do not get an outage like this unless there was some kind of serious problem.
02:01:25 But I will say this there is an alternative explanation of cyber attack.
02:01:28 That alternative is?
02:01:29 Boomers.
02:01:30 DEI. 0.97
02:01:31 Oh. 1.00
02:01:33 Yeah, I mean, you hire a dude from Uganda to not use a computer to be like your full stack developer. 1.00
02:01:38 Also, it's Outlook. 1.00
02:01:41 Yeah, and he's like, What does system 32 mean?
02:01:43 I think straight up cyber attack.
02:01:45 It's been 10 hours or more.
02:01:46 I don't know if that matters for these people who are running Windows.
02:01:50 Yeah, he says, What does sudo mean?
02:01:51 And someone tells him to type it into the terminal.
02:01:54 All right, what have we here?
02:01:57 Michelle says, A big shout out to all of the WTW family members.
02:02:01 Shout out to Robert.
02:02:03 Thanks to Tim IRL family for welcoming us.
02:02:06 Absolutely.
02:02:07 Watching the Watchers.
02:02:08 That's our show, WTW.
02:02:10 Thank you, guys.
02:02:12 The one free man says the Nick Fuentes crowd is a reaction to the psychotic DSA.
02:02:15 This is exactly how Trump got elected. 0.57
02:02:17 The Democratic Party's extreme policies and psychotic rhetoric is turning normies into Christian nationalist crusaders. 0.79
02:02:22 I'm going to say one last thing Christian nationalism was the overwhelming majority of this country in like 1950. 0.66
02:02:29 Literally everybody was an American nationalist and they were Christian and went to church.
02:02:29 That's it.
02:02:33 In the past couple of generations, this has dropped dramatically and probably is only around a third at this point.
02:02:39 If you took Nick Fuentes and dropped him in 1950, I think most people would agree.
02:02:44 He'd probably be just a regular guy.
02:02:46 So when you talk about what is conservative, well, he's actually old school, what American traditionalists would have been.
02:02:54 And I'm not talking about the people who think he's racist and all that stuff because he trolls.
02:02:58 I'm saying literally his views, including his views on race.
02:03:02 Go back to the 1950s.
02:03:04 So when I look at the modern Republican Party, The question I have is, what does it mean to be conservative?
02:03:09 Right?
02:03:09 If I'm a conservative to conservatives, then the conservative party is liberal, and the Republican party is liberal.
02:03:17 Well, it's the base of the word it's to conserve our traditions, our country, our economic capitalist system, and to build prosperity for this generation and the next generations.
02:03:28 Well, we're not a capitalist system, we're a mixed economy.
02:03:32 I'm just being pedantic now.
02:03:33 All right, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show, my friends.
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02:03:38 Sir, you want to shout anything out?
02:03:40 Thanks for having me on.
02:03:41 Absolutely.
02:03:42 Anytime.
02:03:42 Walk across the street, you're always welcome.
02:03:44 Yes.
02:03:44 And pitch your case to us.
02:03:46 I hate to be short, but I do think what you're saying is important.
02:03:49 I appreciate you coming to tell everybody what you think.
02:03:51 Thanks, Tim.
02:03:51 Thanks for having me on.
02:03:52 Absolutely.
02:03:54 Yeah, Tim, thank you so much.
02:03:55 What you've done and built here is impressive.
02:03:57 I appreciate the invite and would love to come back and join.
02:04:01 I'm not even kidding.
02:04:02 Come tomorrow.
02:04:03 All right.
02:04:03 I'm not going to be here tomorrow, though, so it's easy for me to say.
02:04:06 Let the show go on.
02:04:06 Cool.
02:04:07 Phil and the crew will be here.
02:04:09 I think we got an extra seat, so yeah, dude, just hit me up.
02:04:09 Cool.
02:04:11 All right.
02:04:11 Right on.
02:04:11 Yeah, that'd be great.
02:04:12 Yeah, thank you guys.
02:04:13 Round two.
02:04:13 And good to meet everybody.
02:04:14 Finally, you know, been watching you guys for years, so I appreciate you having me here.
02:04:17 Jensen's Wang.
02:04:19 What's up, Phil Lavante?
02:04:20 I didn't even talk about it.
02:04:21 Hit me up at jensenswang.com.
02:04:23 Jensen, I hope someone buys that now.
02:04:23 I'm just kidding.
02:04:26 Let's get it.
02:04:26 Jensen's Wang, phonetically spelled.com in the books.
02:04:30 I hope that Elon does hire Jensen as the CEO because his contacts right now, he'll be able to get such chip imports into the U.S., into Texas, where we need them.
02:04:38 Shout out to Jensen. 0.98
02:04:39 Ben Franklin had a bunch of mistresses.
02:04:41 Ben Franklin, the founding father of the United States, probably, had a bunch of mistresses, maybe two dozen.
02:04:49 He wrote an article about it in 1750.
02:04:51 You can read about it online, though.
02:04:53 Go to my Twitter, read about Ben Franklin's infidelity, and then love the United States.
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02:05:30 Let's get into it.
02:05:31 We'll see y'all in the uncensored portion of the show.
02:05:34 Thanks for hanging out.
02:05:35 We'll be there in a minute.
02:05:36 It is.
02:08:20 Actually, what is going on?
02:08:25 What are you doing?
02:08:26 Discord's all wacky.
02:08:28 All right, what's going on?
02:08:29 Shall we get to the callers?
02:08:30 Let's get to it.
02:08:31 Receptual Jonathan.
02:08:34 What's going on, dude?
02:08:35 What's up, man?
02:08:36 Unfortunately, the congressman had a heart out.
02:08:40 But that's the point of being in D.C. is so that they can come in and talk.
02:08:45 And, you know, props to that guy.
02:08:48 Hell yeah.
02:08:48 Because he knows the Republicans just got beat up.
02:08:51 And he's like, I'm going to go sit down and talk.
02:08:53 And that's what we need.
02:08:53 So, tremendous respect.
02:08:55 Oh, I know.
02:08:56 I'm like, dude, if you can handle this show, you can handle a debate with Democrats.
02:08:56 I didn't tell him.
02:08:59 Like, this is fucking intense. 0.98
02:09:02 Just a little solution of solving the entire nation's debt problem for us. 0.97
02:09:06 Basically, throughout history.
02:09:07 Yeah.
02:09:08 Yeah.
02:09:08 The problem is discretionary spending is $1.9 trillion.
02:09:08 Yeah.
02:09:11 Yep.
02:09:12 And it's like, it's the military and it's a deep hole.
02:09:15 It's a deep hole.
02:09:17 Anyway, Perceptual Jonathan.
02:09:19 Oh, my bad.
02:09:20 Oh, he's muted.
02:09:21 Nope.
02:09:21 That was me.
02:09:21 What's up, brother?
02:09:21 Nope.
02:09:22 Perceptual Jonathan, you are live.
02:09:26 Oh, now he's good.
02:09:26 He's muted himself.
02:09:27 Yeah, he's good.
02:09:28 Hey, can everyone hear me?
02:09:29 Yep, hi, indeed.
02:09:30 What's up?
02:09:31 All right.
02:09:32 Hey, I hope everyone's having a good night.
02:09:33 Thanks for taking my call.
02:09:34 For sure.
02:09:35 Thanks for calling.
02:09:37 My question is for the congressman.
02:09:40 He left.
02:09:42 He left.
02:09:42 He bounced.
02:09:43 Yeah, unfortunately, he had a hard out.
02:09:46 Oh.
02:09:47 Well, I'll answer the question.
02:09:49 All right, congressman, it's your job.
02:09:52 Well, that's awkward because it was specifically about Wyoming state politics.
02:09:56 Oh, brutal.
02:09:57 Maybe I can answer it.
02:09:58 Yeah, Ian, could you answer this one?
02:09:59 I'm kidding.
02:10:01 What's the second one?
02:10:02 Ask it anyway.
02:10:02 Yeah.
02:10:04 Well, the question was going to be about why the Wyoming State Legislature was unable to do anything to reel in the university after the incident from, I don't know, three, four years back, where there was a fellow from Laramie who went to the University of Wyoming Union and he had a sign in there about the guy that was masquerading around as a woman in the sorority saying that that guy is actually a guy.
02:10:27 And then the university tried to ban him from the university for a year for.
02:10:30 On spurious charges, if I think it was discrimination and harassment or something.
02:10:35 And then, you know, the Wyoming state legislature, which has, I think, a nominal Democrat or two, probably from Jackson, just let the university do whatever they wanted and didn't even threaten to do anything like reel their funding in.
02:10:48 Well, the issue there was that, you know, with these activists, it resulted in a protest where one of the female activists had gotten to a scuffle with this cop, of course, got arrested.
02:10:58 A local rancher intervened, and this is where the problem rises.
02:11:02 And advocated to the judge that she be let off because he was going to put her in jail for a long time.
02:11:07 And that's the plot of Yellowstone.
02:11:08 And I have no idea what you're talking about.
02:11:09 Oh, yeah, I'll put my hat on.
02:11:13 Sorry, brother.
02:11:14 Ian's got a cowboy hat on.
02:11:15 I've been in Wyoming for a while because they have good crypto tax law.
02:11:18 I'm so sorry I can't answer your question.
02:11:20 But do you know that?
02:11:21 I'm sorry.
02:11:22 What else is on your mind?
02:11:23 Yeah.
02:11:25 How are you doing?
02:11:26 When are you getting Dave Smith back next?
02:11:29 He can come out whenever he wants.
02:11:30 Yeah, we should hit him up.
02:11:32 Introduce him to the new DC studio.
02:11:34 He's in, he's doing Skankfest right now.
02:11:37 So, they do that live?
02:11:39 He's in the city.
02:11:39 I mean, honestly, I think we just gotta ask him to come on the show.
02:11:41 That's it.
02:11:42 He's in New York.
02:11:43 Is he based in New York?
02:11:45 That's what you said, though.
02:11:46 He's in New York or New Jersey.
02:11:48 Yeah, I think he's a New Yorker.
02:11:50 He's close.
02:11:51 I just don't understand why these people think they're gonna go up against Dave Smith.
02:11:54 Like, don't, like, Dave has opinions I disagree with, but he's extremely smart, quick witted, and very funny.
02:12:01 And, like, I love Thomas Massey.
02:12:03 I disagree with him on a lot of things.
02:12:04 That's just it, but that's okay.
02:12:06 You know, like, I disagree with Dave on things. 0.92
02:12:08 I'll argue with him, but I'm not stupid enough to be like, I'm going to get Dave.
02:12:14 I see people tweet at him like making fun of him.
02:12:16 I'm like, guys, listen, if you're going to go against Dave Smith, be academic and respectful because you will not beat him in a battle of wits.
02:12:23 Have you seen?
02:12:24 He is faster and smarter and funnier than you.
02:12:26 Have you seen any of the clips of Dave Smith debating with Coleman Hughes?
02:12:31 They were pretty impressive.
02:12:31 Uh-uh.
02:12:32 Coleman was very, very sharp.
02:12:34 He was sharp.
02:12:34 I did, absolutely.
02:12:35 And Coleman did exactly what I'm saying.
02:12:37 He was academic and calm, not derisive.
02:12:40 If you go to Dave Smith and try and do a sly jab at him to try and be derisive or insulting, he is going to.
02:12:47 Suplex you.
02:12:50 Debate suplex.
02:12:51 You are not.
02:12:52 No.
02:12:53 If you want to hang with Dave in a conversation, you have to.
02:12:57 Here's what you do you gentlemanly have one arm behind your back with one hand out, and you have a gentlemanly repulse.
02:13:07 You admit when your arguments are weak.
02:13:10 You are not going to play this game where you're going to like, I can't believe you said so high.
02:13:15 Have you ever been, Dave?
02:13:16 It's not going to work.
02:13:18 It's just not going to work.
02:13:19 If the dude is good at one thing, it's quick wit.
02:13:23 It's like, don't get into a sword fight with a professional fencer, okay?
02:13:28 If you want to have a battle of wits or whatever, pour the wine, but watch out, he might switch it on.
02:13:33 I like how his face stays really relaxed. 0.98
02:13:36 If you try and insult him, like I see people trying to emotionally insult him, and he's like, his face doesn't change, but then he says the most vitriolic shit back at the guy. 0.82
02:13:45 It's so awesome. 0.97
02:13:46 I'm just, guys, I'm really sick of everybody for everything.
02:13:49 I see.
02:13:49 You know, like Dave, someone will rag on Dave and then Dave will rag on them.
02:13:52 And I'm friends with both of them and I'm just like, I'm not getting involved in it.
02:13:55 And then, like, I gotta say it because, you know, Brian Shapiro is the most vitriolic guy on the internet.
02:14:00 I mean, he's just really awful.
02:14:02 But I'm friends with him and I'm friends with Dave and I'm friends with Dave Rubin and friends with George Santos.
02:14:09 And, you know, I'm friends with Milo.
02:14:12 And I get people, they call me and they're like, how could you have Milo on your show?
02:14:15 And I'm like, Milo's always been really nice to me.
02:14:17 I will not disrespect or be mean to a guy who has done nothing to me.
02:14:21 He has come on my show.
02:14:23 He has helped my show out.
02:14:25 That's it.
02:14:26 If he says something bad, I'll tell him I disagree, but Milo is my friend.
02:14:30 Same thing with George Santos. 0.99
02:14:31 He has been such a good dude to us, and people are like, but he's a crook. 0.99
02:14:34 He's so bad. 0.98
02:14:34 I don't care. 0.98
02:14:35 They're also highly intelligent and utilizing the value of intelligent people.
02:14:39 Stop being mean to each other.
02:14:40 Yeah, regardless.
02:14:41 Yeah, that would help.
02:14:43 But I will say this it's funny that they're all friends with me, but then they're all enemies.
02:14:47 I'm friends with all these people who are all enemies of each other.
02:14:49 That's how you bridge that.
02:14:50 That's the whole thing.
02:14:51 I'm glad we're in D.C. because the politics, like, It's going to be the same with the Democrats and the Republicans.
02:14:56 Like, you'll be in the middle, kind of like holding tethers.
02:14:58 Like, look, I don't hate these people.
02:15:00 I know them personally.
02:15:01 I disagree with them.
02:15:02 I have intense, fiery conversations.
02:15:04 Like, even Laura Loomer and I have had like minimal beefs, I guess.
02:15:10 More so her getting mad at me for when I say things, but I still have no beef with her.
02:15:14 She's allowed to criticize. 0.99
02:15:16 I'm just, I'm not, it's so dumb. 0.97
02:15:18 Like, I said, Nick is the future of the GOP. 0.99
02:15:21 And then she said something like, you're being ridiculous, blah, blah, blah. 0.97
02:15:23 And I'm like, you're allowed to think that. 0.99
02:15:24 You know what I mean?
02:15:25 Like, I interviewed Andrew Zimmerman today.
02:15:26 I don't know.
02:15:28 Absolutely incredible conversation.
02:15:30 He's like a global world traveling chef.
02:15:33 He hates Trump. 1.00
02:15:34 He's like, Trump is a fascist authoritarian. 0.99
02:15:36 And I'm like, bro, you're allowed to think that. 0.97
02:15:37 Like, I'm not, I did not yell at him and say, you can't say that you're wrong.
02:15:41 I was like, I get it.
02:15:43 I understand.
02:15:43 Like, I'm not here to tell you, you're not allowed to think what you want to think, but I will.
02:15:48 I was, I don't know if the word defensive is the right word.
02:15:52 What I said was that, you know, Donald Trump came out and he said he wanted not to deport Trump.
02:15:58 Hospitality workers, people have been here for a long time.
02:16:00 And Andrew was like, You really think he thinks that?
02:16:02 Because I do not.
02:16:04 And I said, Yeah, he came out again.
02:16:05 I think it was on 60 Minutes and said he was open to an amnesty deal.
02:16:07 And he goes, I don't believe it for a second. 0.96
02:16:09 He's like, I think he's an authoritarian, he's a fascist. 0.84
02:16:12 And I said, sure. 0.88
02:16:13 What I'm saying is, Trump works hospitality.
02:16:16 He goes, yeah, failed hospitality.
02:16:18 Like, he's just, he really hates Trump.
02:16:20 I am not here to tell you're not allowed to feel these things about Trump.
02:16:23 I'm not going to fight you over you not liking Trump.
02:16:25 It's like, okay, that was always allowed.
02:16:28 But what I did say is, when his base says no to the amnesty, Trump says, okay.
02:16:33 So Trump is saying amnesty, and then his base says no, and Trump says no.
02:16:37 And so if your argument is you don't think Trump really thinks he wants to deport people, my rebuttal is, no, Trump doesn't want to deport them, but he's lying.
02:16:46 For his base.
02:16:47 I think that's the fair assessment.
02:16:49 But I gotta say, like, actually, Andrew was awesome.
02:16:53 It was so funny.
02:16:53 He looks good.
02:16:55 And I was like, taboo question.
02:16:57 And he's like, oh, yeah.
02:16:57 I was like, you ever eat whale?
02:16:59 Yeah.
02:17:00 Like, and he even said that he would consider eating human.
02:17:02 And I was like, oh my God.
02:17:04 A true chef.
02:17:05 He said he would never eat a person who was killed for the sake of being eaten.
02:17:08 But, like, if he had to travel somewhere and it was a local cuisine and it was part of their culture and, like, grandpa died, he's like, maybe, uh, Piece of protein or something.
02:17:17 I was like, no, I was like, never, I would never do that.
02:17:20 And he's like, well, I've never done it.
02:17:22 And I'm like, I think you're just saying that.
02:17:24 I think when it came down to it, he'd be like, no.
02:17:25 But then again, that CNN guy did eat human brain.
02:17:28 Reza Aslan.
02:17:28 He sure did.
02:17:29 Yeah.
02:17:30 Don't eat the brain. 1.00
02:17:31 Watch out for prions.
02:17:32 They're like, exactly.
02:17:34 Anyway, genes that are really can't untangle.
02:17:36 Jonathan, I'm sorry the congressman had to bounce and we couldn't get your question in, but do you want to add anything or shout anything out?
02:17:42 No, I think that's good.
02:17:44 And if I could make one more show for a guest, if you could one day get the excellent Tom Woods on, that would be cool.
02:17:49 Oh, yeah, absolutely.
02:17:51 Also, I got to announce we have a Wow Forever Guild.
02:17:53 Andrew's putting it together.
02:17:54 Oh, he talked to me about it.
02:17:55 Yeah.
02:17:57 I have a level 11 Skyborn Alliance Rogue.
02:17:59 So, for that reason, I guess Andrew was like, because I think Andrew's playing Alliance PvP as well.
02:18:05 And he's like level 16, I think.
02:18:07 I mean, I got to be honest.
02:18:08 As soon as it launched, if it was 20 years ago, I'd be level 60 by now.
02:18:12 I'm not even playing.
02:18:13 That's what my brother said.
02:18:13 I'm trying to keep up.
02:18:15 Bro, I played for 48 hours straight one time with not eating.
02:18:18 Oh, dude, me too.
02:18:19 And I want to say this too.
02:18:20 When South Park made the Warcraft episode and they were all fat, I'm like, that's a lie.
02:18:24 When you play Warcraft, you lose weight rapidly.
02:18:26 That's like 10 pounds, 15 pounds of movement on my AI.
02:18:30 Because you're playing and you're always one step away from finishing the next quest.
02:18:35 They're always putting you on that path.
02:18:36 So you're like, I don't have time to go get food. 0.95
02:18:38 And then it's like, yo, we're putting together a 40 person AQ raid. 0.94
02:18:42 And you're like, okay, I'm not eating. 0.99
02:18:46 Let's do it.
02:18:47 Anyway, thanks for calling in, bro.
02:18:47 I could do it.
02:18:48 You want to shout anything out?
02:18:50 No, I think that's good.
02:18:51 Have a good night, everyone.
02:18:52 I don't care.
02:18:52 Thanks for calling in.
02:18:52 Did you two, man?
02:18:53 Yeah, I.
02:18:54 Yeah, Andrew's setting it up.
02:18:57 He says he's going to have a recruitment announcement for the Discord server.
02:19:01 And then we are going to.
02:19:02 Wait, wait, hold on. 0.96
02:19:03 Is Asmund Gold Horde?
02:19:04 I don't know.
02:19:06 He is, isn't he?
02:19:06 I think so.
02:19:06 I think so.
02:19:07 I'm declaring war on Asmund Gold.
02:19:09 And I'm only doing it because he's such a big personality that by doing so, I'll get attention. 1.00
02:19:13 Holy shit. 0.99
02:19:14 And then people are going to be like, Asmund, Tim declared war on you and wow. 0.99
02:19:18 And he said it's explicitly the purpose of trying to get attention from a bigger personality.
02:19:23 I love it.
02:19:24 I'm kidding.
02:19:25 No, no, we should.
02:19:26 He's Horde PVE, though, I think.
02:19:30 Also, Horde is easy mode.
02:19:31 Everyone's like, you're playing Alliance PvP, good luck.
02:19:34 The Horde's going to camp you. 1.00
02:19:36 And I'm like, first of all, I'm a rogue, idiot. 1.00
02:19:38 I'm camping them. 1.00
02:19:39 Second of all, I don't choose my faction based on what's easier.
02:19:43 Maybe I want the challenge.
02:19:45 I'm, listen, these noobs, these noobs, I've been playing WoW since WoW came out.
02:19:50 I had a tier two PvP rogue, okay?
02:19:53 And I would go and sit in Orgrimmar with my rogue because I can do that.
02:19:58 And so they're like, it was always Horde always outnumbers Alliance.
02:19:58 And I was Alliance.
02:20:03 Because people are like, for the horde, yeah, I want to be a monster.
02:20:06 And I'm like, I don't.
02:20:07 Because I like order.
02:20:09 I'm going to tell you this.
02:20:10 The Horde is the left.
02:20:12 The Horde is leftists.
02:20:13 I'm not kidding.
02:20:14 This is not a joke.
02:20:15 These are the left.
02:20:16 Look at the story of Warcraft, and the Horde is the left, and the Alliance is the right.
02:20:21 So are the Night Elves libertarians?
02:20:24 No. 0.94
02:20:24 What are they? 0.94
02:20:25 They're like Maha. 0.95
02:20:26 Okay. 0.99
02:20:27 I align with Night Elves.
02:20:27 Yeah.
02:20:28 Let me put it like this.
02:20:29 They've been around for many, many decades.
02:20:30 Let me explain it.
02:20:31 At least two. 0.91
02:20:32 First of all, since the Alliance added the dranny or whatever, and you got shamans, whatever, think about it this.
02:20:39 In vanilla, the Alliance had paladins.
02:20:43 And the Horde had shaman.
02:20:45 Does that sound like left and right? 0.97
02:20:48 The right wing doesn't do shamans except for the J6 shaman, right? 0.75
02:20:53 Matt Walsh is a paladin. 0.98
02:20:54 I told Matt Walsh he was a paladin to his face, and he looks at me and he goes, I'm going to take this as a compliment.
02:21:00 And I said, It is.
02:21:01 Like, I'm saying, he's like, I don't know what that is.
02:21:03 And I'm like, You are a holy knight of divine retribution.
02:21:05 He's like, I like that.
02:21:06 And I'm like, Yes, I'm complimenting. 0.98
02:21:07 I'm saying you're a paladin. 0.91
02:21:08 He's actually specced into retribution. 0.97
02:21:10 There's a type of.
02:21:10 Absolutely.
02:21:11 And then I said, I'm a rogue, right?
02:21:13 Like, I will serve the interests of the king, but I will do it my way.
02:21:18 You are a paladin.
02:21:19 You are following the order and you are seeking divine retribution. 0.97
02:21:22 And which retribution, paladins, indeed. 0.71
02:21:25 So the Horde is a disparate faction of various outcasts that came together to survive.
02:21:31 The trolls, the orcs, the orcs are invaders.
02:21:35 The orcs are not from Azeroth, okay?
02:21:37 They came through a portal illegally into Azeroth.
02:21:39 Yeah, but they're.
02:21:41 Because of fell magic.
02:21:42 Yeah, they're seeking it. 0.73
02:21:43 They embrace communist evil magic.
02:21:46 Came through a portal invading Azeroth of beautiful, lush Elwyn Forest.
02:21:51 But they were, what do they call them when they're fleeing a foreign country that's trying to persecute them?
02:21:55 That's the left!
02:21:56 It's literally, you're making an argument for a migrant caravan to come into the United States.
02:21:59 They're seeking amnesty. 0.72
02:22:01 Exactly.
02:22:02 Asylum.
02:22:02 Exactly.
02:22:03 The Lord is the left.
02:22:05 Fleeing the fell, you know, so there's room for all of us. 0.99
02:22:08 And to be honest, the trolls are black. 0.99
02:22:10 Like, oh, they're Jamaican, yeah. 1.00
02:22:12 It's legit. 1.00
02:22:13 Yeah, like, what's up with that?
02:22:14 Control, man.
02:22:15 Anyway, let's get the quiet part pod in here.
02:22:18 Yo, what up?
02:22:19 What up, man?
02:22:21 Howdy, howdy, guys.
02:22:22 How are you doing?
02:22:23 Great, man.
02:22:23 How are you?
02:22:24 Great.
02:22:24 Well, I mean, I could be better, but, you know, times being what they are, I'll call it good.
02:22:31 Good.
02:22:33 So I got a question.
02:22:34 Robert, I need some help from you.
02:22:36 I never heard much from you tonight.
02:22:38 So, I mean, this is important.
02:22:41 Tim, you might remember, you know, once upon a time back after the 2020 election, there was that secret campaign to undermine the election.
02:22:48 You remember that story?
02:22:49 Yeah.
02:22:51 Well, they've decided to top themselves.
02:22:53 Van Jones recently did a show with Caitlin Collins on CNN describing the Democrats' messaging platform called the American Accountability Network, where he boasts of reaching hundreds of millions of voters daily with pro-Democrat and anti-Republican messaging as it pertains to affordability.
02:23:09 It was an organized attempt to speak directly to voters as a means of avoiding culture war issues.
02:23:15 Would this network such as this operating on social media like this not be viewed as a pack, and how does it not fall under FEC rules?
02:23:24 What's CNN or what?
02:23:27 It was a bunch of people organizing to reach people on social media.
02:23:34 That's just free speech, though.
02:23:37 I mean, depending on how you look at it, I mean, it was an organized network.
02:23:43 What was the.
02:23:43 Yeah.
02:23:43 Would it not be like FEC rulings?
02:23:46 Was it a 501c3 or 501c4?
02:23:46 Yeah.
02:23:50 I think I looked it up at one point.
02:23:53 But that would be a PAC.
02:23:54 A 501c4 would be a PEC if they were engaged in political activity.
02:23:59 A C4 could do action that is political.
02:24:02 A C4?
02:24:03 A C4. 0.95
02:24:05 Yes, C4 can.
02:24:05 So, like, yeah.
02:24:07 And they and uh, but uh, what is it?
02:24:11 Uh, but they're not tax deductible, they're not tax deductible.
02:24:15 But a C3 is tax deductible and has to disclose all of their expenses and can't be nakedly political as a C3.
02:24:22 So it may have been a C4.
02:24:24 I'm wondering if it's a public education C3 and they're not actually advocating for.
02:24:31 I saw that Van Jones clip and I don't know what he was saying, the type of content was going out.
02:24:36 Like, if it's educational content about a bad economy.
02:24:41 Then that's not overtly political.
02:24:43 So it may not cross that line.
02:24:45 But I think it's worth investigating.
02:24:46 I mean, I think that all of these groups are worth investigating.
02:24:49 And, you know, maybe it should have been formed as a PAC if it's, you know, specifically on behalf of a certain candidate.
02:24:55 But if it's just general, you know, public education, I think that's probably within the purview of a C3.
02:25:01 And, you know, they could just be making videos about gas prices or affordability or anything else that's in the public interest and talk about.
02:25:11 Differences between the old days and the new days.
02:25:13 And I think they could probably color in the lines there.
02:25:16 They could say, here's how war makes your gas more expensive.
02:25:18 Right.
02:25:20 And that's, I think, all within the purview of C3 and not even overtly political. 0.71
02:25:24 They could even be subliminally political by being like, orange people make your prices go up. 0.65
02:25:32 Wink. 0.98
02:25:33 And then that's fine.
02:25:35 It is a good question, though, because there's, I think, a lot of overlap and a lot of lines are being blurred between all of the organizations.
02:25:42 And You know, Obama, we remember what he did with the IRS going after all of the conservative groups.
02:25:50 So I think there's precedent there.
02:25:54 I think largely the way I view it is it's kind of like a way to circumvent broadcast rules where they have to give equal time to certain things.
02:26:02 And when you're amping up the pro Democrat message and taking away and going with the anti Trump, anti Republican message, it just seems like you're violating that in that regard.
02:26:14 Yeah.
02:26:16 And I guess the argument would be that they should lose their tax status or, you know, pay a fine or something for being overtly political.
02:26:16 Yeah.
02:26:31 That's kind of a question.
02:26:32 But.
02:26:32 Yeah.
02:26:35 Yeah.
02:26:35 I think that's where my mind's going with it.
02:26:38 It's like it's just an undisclosed campaign contribution at that point, then when I'm looking at it.
02:26:44 But, you know.
02:26:45 I don't know if it's even.
02:26:46 This is just something I saw today.
02:26:48 Yeah, it was an interesting clip.
02:26:49 And I think it's a real blind spot for the right that they're building these organizations.
02:26:53 You know, the right has a lot of conservatives. 0.97
02:26:56 It's not cool, and they suck at organizing and messaging. 0.98
02:26:58 Yeah.
02:26:59 And they don't build these systems that the left has.
02:27:01 They have a patronage system where they, you know, they'll work you up through it and they'll have these billionaires who will spend money not on campaign ads on Fox News, but on building infrastructure.
02:27:12 And they've been doing it for multiple generations now.
02:27:16 All the Republicans had to do to win the election was to just like hire a handful of dudes to dress up like Antifa and punch old ladies in the face once a month.
02:27:25 Well, the Republicans had vibes in 24.
02:27:27 They had Butler vibes.
02:27:29 Remember the energy after that?
02:27:31 You had the RFK vibes, the Tulsi vibes.
02:27:33 Amfest.
02:27:34 You had Amfest.
02:27:35 You had the McDonald's hanging out the McDonald's window, Trump in McDonald's gear.
02:27:40 You know, like there were vibes there.
02:27:42 And then the left kind of commandeered that. 0.97
02:27:45 They brought out Mom Dhani.
02:27:46 They brought out Nithya Raman.
02:27:47 They started doing these.
02:27:49 You know, very coordinated, orchestrated videos.
02:27:52 With all due respect as well.
02:27:53 Like, Stephen Miller is not a cool guy.
02:27:55 I'm a fan.
02:27:56 Like, I like Stephen Miller.
02:27:57 He's one of the boldest guys in the administration, he has been the whole time.
02:28:00 But what I mean is, he's not Robert Downey Jr.
02:28:04 You know what I mean?
02:28:05 Like, he's not, people don't look at Stephen Miller and be like, I wish I was him.
02:28:09 I want to have him in here because I bet we could make him cool.
02:28:09 I keep thinking about him.
02:28:12 Yeah, we could cool him down, so to speak.
02:28:14 No, I think the issue is that he's a political guy, he's a suit wearing dude, and he's one of the best, but he's not a pop star, is what I'm trying to say.
02:28:23 Like, he's not your go to celebrity kind of.
02:28:26 Obama was.
02:28:27 I know when they're saying, it's Miller time, I'm like, oh, God.
02:28:30 Oh, I know.
02:28:31 Come on, dude.
02:28:32 Like, not yet.
02:28:34 Stop.
02:28:35 I think we did a thumbnail with that on there.
02:28:37 They were all tweeting that, like, it's Miller time.
02:28:40 Like, oh, God, I'm a Democrat.
02:28:42 I'm not a celebrity.
02:28:43 I mean, he might, he seems, he's highly intelligent.
02:28:46 The right seems to attract people that are highly intelligent, not necessarily charismatic.
02:28:51 And then the people that are highly charismatic go to the Democrats, even though they're not necessarily intelligent.
02:28:56 I got to be honest, like, I think Hassan might be the only cool person on the left.
02:29:01 Bernie was cool. 0.98
02:29:02 No, no, no.
02:29:03 In 2016.
02:29:04 No, he was not.
02:29:05 He was pretty cool for an old guy.
02:29:06 No.
02:29:07 Obama, obviously.
02:29:07 Who else?
02:29:08 Obama was a cool guy.
02:29:09 Who else is?
02:29:10 Right now, name a leftist personality who's cool.
02:29:10 Right.
02:29:14 On a scale of one to 10, Destiny's got like a five or six. 0.97
02:29:18 Hassan's got like a seven or eight.
02:29:20 Yes.
02:29:21 Then you got like Luke Beasley who's got like a four or five.
02:29:23 No disrespect because Luke's a friend.
02:29:25 I like Luke.
02:29:26 He can be snot on his show, but he's a good dude.
02:29:28 We get along.
02:29:30 And I enjoy the shows and the debates.
02:29:31 Like we do the show, we yell at each other, we shake hands afterwards, and we hang out, and he's fine to hang out with.
02:29:37 Brian Shapiro, maybe a five.
02:29:40 Actually, no, I got to give Brian like a six.
02:29:44 To understand this, you need to see him hanging out at a casino.
02:29:46 He's really well liked by people.
02:29:47 He is absolutely, when he walks into a room, people are like, This is the guy.
02:29:51 He has a lot of friends too.
02:29:52 He's got a lot of connections and friends in the industry, in the music industry.
02:29:56 The reason I give him a six and not a seven is because he's really mean to people.
02:30:00 And that's not something I'm.
02:30:01 But you might be thinking, Brian Shapiro, I'm telling you, he's in Vegas.
02:30:05 He knows all the big fighting promoters, he knows DJs, celebrities.
02:30:10 He walks into the room and people are like, Oh, and they're fist bumping.
02:30:13 He's friends with celebrities.
02:30:15 He really is connected.
02:30:16 He just.
02:30:16 I told Brian, stop being so mean and be academic.
02:30:19 I told him, if your insults were academic, you'd be the biggest liberal personality. 1.00
02:30:23 But you call people stupid names and fat losers and you insult them, and that puts you in the corner, bro. 1.00
02:30:30 And he's like, I get it. 1.00
02:30:32 And I'm like, you need to tell a man, instead of him saying, You're a disgusting, despicable loser, you need to say, Sir, I find you uncouth and of ill repute. 1.00
02:30:43 And people will laugh. 0.99
02:30:44 And regular people are going to be like, This guy's funny because they know you're goofing off when you say it.
02:30:48 But you express your disdain in a way that can make people laugh.
02:30:51 And then I was like, and you've got arguments that are not like he doesn't defend trans kids.
02:30:57 The left does not have strong, cool personalities.
02:30:57 But anyway, I digress.
02:31:00 The right lost the podcast bros, who basically were.
02:31:04 They had Andrew Schultz.
02:31:05 Trump had Schultz and he had Rogan.
02:31:07 And he lost them.
02:31:08 Oh my God, I know.
02:31:09 Anyway, anyway, we do got to get one more caller in, sir.
02:31:12 Did you want to add anything else or shout anything out?
02:31:15 One thing to add and one shout out for 2028, Spencer Pratt.
02:31:22 Let that percolate for a minute.
02:31:24 And then for my shout out, guys, Saturday nights is the best night of the week.
02:31:28 Come check out the poker nights in the Discord.
02:31:31 It's a great time.
02:31:33 Right on, brother.
02:31:34 Thanks for calling in.
02:31:35 Thanks, dude.
02:31:35 Thanks, man.
02:31:37 You know, I see people saying Hassan is not cool.
02:31:42 Sorry, you're wrong.
02:31:42 That is all.
02:31:43 Hassan is cool.
02:31:44 I don't agree with his opinions.
02:31:46 But he exercises, he's got gadgets and gizmos and like.
02:31:46 Beautiful.
02:31:54 Youthful exuberance in his room representing TV shows and memes.
02:31:59 He's got a younger audience.
02:32:01 He's charismatic.
02:32:02 He wears nice clothes.
02:32:04 Nice clothes.
02:32:05 Like, he's intelligent.
02:32:05 I'm sorry.
02:32:07 Maybe his wisdom, I'd like to talk to him because I think he could build his wisdom to kind of see maybe he's wrong about stuff to kind of understand like that.
02:32:15 That helps a lot.
02:32:16 Because highly intelligent people that aren't wise can be kind of off the rocker.
02:32:20 He's wrong about a lot, but what people need to understand is that moral frameworks are not facts.
02:32:26 So there are people who like communism and they know full well it massacres people and will be destructive and they still want it.
02:32:34 So they're not.
02:32:35 They're not wrong to want it.
02:32:36 They're just in opposition to you to want it.
02:32:39 With that being said, I think Hassan is wrong about a lot of things, but it reminds me of when Snape was talking with Bellatrix and he says, Dumbledore's a great wizard and only a fool would think otherwise.
02:32:51 And I'm like, that's an important lesson for people. 0.99
02:32:53 I mean, first of all, Snape was cool with Dumbledore, but the point is for the millennials who only understand reality through the narrative of Harry Potter, Snape is a bad guy and the bad guys don't like Dumbledore, so they insult him and he's like, shut up, that dude will fuck you up. 0.99
02:33:06 Like, stop pretending like that dude won't fuck you up. 0.97
02:33:09 If you come out and you're like, Assan's not cool, you're gonna lose because young people like watching Assan. 0.98
02:33:14 Destiny is cool, but less cool because he is a little nerdy.
02:33:18 You know what I mean?
02:33:20 With all due respect and all humble bragging, I would rate myself in a cool factor of around a six, like slightly more than not because most people associated with the right are wearing suits and are boring.
02:33:29 And we are here goofing off and skateboarding.
02:33:31 So we're a bit more cool, but we're not like of extreme youthful exuberance and we're a bit highbrow with words like miasmic.
02:33:40 You know what I mean?
02:33:41 I think obsession with partisanry also is not cool in general.
02:33:44 Like, getting obsessed with being part of a party is like, dude, you're an individual. 0.99
02:33:49 You can participate in a party, but you're the fucking party. 0.99
02:33:52 Bring the party where you go. 0.99
02:33:53 You don't have to be part of this group.
02:33:54 You know, like, it's like maybe it'd be more fair to say that, like, Hassan is an eight or a nine in terms of cool factor, and we're like a six or maybe a seven.
02:34:03 And I'm stressing this again you don't have to like his opinions. 0.89
02:34:06 You can think he's stupid, you can think he's wrong, but that's not what cool is. 0.95
02:34:10 Obama was wrong about a lot of things and a lot of bad things, but it is undeniable the dude was cool. 0.99
02:34:15 He walked in with a smirk on his face and he would wink at you, and people were like, oh, like the women swooned for him.
02:34:20 Dave Smith's cool.
02:34:21 And also, that work.
02:34:22 It kind of indicates that your blood pressure doesn't go up when you're under pressure.
02:34:22 Dave Smith is very cool.
02:34:25 It's true.
02:34:26 You stay chill.
02:34:27 You're quick witted, you're smooth, you're in touch with the culture, and you're relatable, and conservatives are not.
02:34:33 How many people wear suits on a day to day basis?
02:34:36 In real life, barely any.
02:34:37 Barely any.
02:34:38 And conservatives wear suits everywhere, isolated.
02:34:40 Do you know why news anchors wear suits?
02:34:42 Why?
02:34:43 To put themselves in a position of authority over the average viewer.
02:34:46 So when they talk like this and say, Tonight, Donald Trump, a fascist, the regular guy at home wearing his t shirt and jeans to the guys in the suit and says, He's better than me.
02:34:56 Conservatives do this because it's a hierarchy thing.
02:34:59 You are not going to walk up to a gaggle of 20 something year olds wearing suits on average and be like, Let me explain to you, young bucks. 0.57
02:35:07 Hada, be with it. 1.00
02:35:08 They're going to be like, Get out of here, loser. 0.98
02:35:10 But then Hassan's going to walk up wearing like his sleek, modern Gucci suit. 0.98
02:35:15 You know, with his $5,000 bracelet.
02:35:18 I'm kidding.
02:35:18 He's wearing a $100 suit, but he'll wear like nice clothes and he gets his hair done well and he like shaves properly and he takes care of himself and he lives in, he lives in, he watches Hollywood or whatever.
02:35:28 I'm sorry.
02:35:28 There's a reason why the guy's got followers.
02:35:30 Women want that.
02:35:32 Anyway, let's grab the last call. 1.00
02:35:33 We got Willie Wayne.
02:35:34 What up, Willie Wayne?
02:35:36 Slick Willie Wayne.
02:35:37 What's up, guys?
02:35:38 Hey, man.
02:35:39 What's up, man?
02:35:40 Give it to me, man.
02:35:41 All right.
02:35:41 So today I was scrolling through TikTok and I seen a TikTok of Phil talking about getting into the trades, things like that.
02:35:48 There is a major, major issue when it comes to the trades.
02:35:52 And it's the licensure side of things.
02:35:55 So, to be like a plumber, for instance, you have to have four years of experience under a journeyman to become a journeyman.
02:36:02 And then you have to have another two years to become a master, which would then be, you would then be able to start your own business.
02:36:08 Do y'all support some type of competency based program?
02:36:12 We need to start kind of moving in that direction because I can understand why someone wouldn't want to spend six years to be able to start their own business when they could start, you know, a hookah lounge today.
02:36:25 Yes, absolutely.
02:36:26 If you can do the job and you can prove that through practice, you get the job.
02:36:31 So, same with doctors.
02:36:31 That's my take on it.
02:36:33 So, I think that what Ian's saying is no.
02:36:37 If you, I think the market actually decides, right?
02:36:42 Or the market is what will inform people as to whether or not you can do a job.
02:36:48 It's not a bad idea to be a journeyman and be an apprentice and journeyman to learn, but I don't like the idea of being like, you're not allowed to start your own business.
02:36:58 You cannot, you're prohibited.
02:37:00 So, yeah.
02:37:03 I'm in agreement with Ian, but I think Ian misunderstood what you were saying because I think that if you're capable, then you should be able to start your own business if you want.
02:37:12 Now, obviously, there's going to be stipulations that if you want to be insured and bonded and stuff, then the insurance companies are going to have a say.
02:37:23 They're going to be like, well, how much experience do you have, et cetera?
02:37:25 The insurance companies are going to have a say in that.
02:37:29 But you also will have, you know, different insurance companies would likely have different.
02:37:38 Demands depending on the risk assessments.
02:37:42 Good point.
02:37:43 So, maybe a new insurance company that is willing to insure people that can display the practice without necessarily the credentials, and they're still going to insure this guy because we believe in him because he's done our level of practice proof. 0.95
02:37:57 That could be the fucking way forward.
02:37:58 So, I think that in theory, I don't mind the idea of not having the stipulations. 0.98
02:38:08 But I think actually in practice, they would be emergent, right?
02:38:13 Like you're going to have insurance companies say, We're not going to touch this guy.
02:38:17 He was an apprentice for two years.
02:38:19 You know, this guy that was, you know, that has been a journeyman for, or, you know, apprentice for whatever, and then a journeyman, this guy will give him a lower rate.
02:38:28 Or maybe the rates will be different, right?
02:38:30 If you've only been an apprentice for a couple of years or a few years, they're going to jack your rate up because you're a higher risk.
02:38:36 That kind of stuff I could see.
02:38:37 But again, I don't think that the federal government should be saying, No, you can't.
02:38:41 But I, I, But I do think the market would actually provide the necessary information just like it does with pricing.
02:38:47 Yeah, before I went to law school, I did swimming pool construction and I cleaned pools for a long time before that and then built pools.
02:38:54 And I wasn't officially, I think, a bona fide plumber.
02:38:58 This was in Arizona.
02:38:59 So I did a lot of plumbing, I did a lot of electrical work, dug a lot of ditches, but I don't think that I was operating under anything other than just a general contractor's license.
02:39:10 And I think that our work kind of spoke for itself.
02:39:12 You know, we got clients because we built good pools and they would refer us.
02:39:17 More clients.
02:39:17 And I think that the more onerous the regulatory environment is, the more difficult it is to start a business and do anything.
02:39:25 And actually, you learn kind of in the trade.
02:39:28 This debate comes up with law as well.
02:39:30 It's like, should we have a bar exam?
02:39:32 Should we have a licensing board?
02:39:35 And there's a good debate to be had about that.
02:39:37 If you're a competent lawyer, you can deliver competence and then establish your reputation rather than having a licensing board that.
02:39:46 Basically, validates it.
02:39:47 There was a scandal, I think, in Arkansas. 0.98
02:39:49 We just covered this on the channel, but there was a bar examiner woman who was fraudulently moving the bar exam scores around. 0.98
02:40:00 So, like, people who had passed, she would take points and give them to people who had failed, and people who had failed, she'd give them points.
02:40:09 It literally was.
02:40:10 She just got indicted for like 65 different felonies.
02:40:13 And it's a huge scandal because many of these lawyers have been practicing for probably five years with a license, even though they didn't pass the bar.
02:40:23 And they've represented criminal cases.
02:40:24 So people are going to prison based on a plea deal that this person probably recommended from an unlicensed lawyer.
02:40:31 And so, you know, a lot of that stuff can have its flaws.
02:40:33 But I think that by and large, you know, regulation kind of hurts growth.
02:40:38 And I think it hurts opportunity in a way.
02:40:40 And as you were speaking, I just met a guy who is the president at a college.
02:40:44 I thought this was awesome the College of St. Joseph the Worker.
02:40:48 It's a Catholic college.
02:40:50 I think it's, I don't know exactly where it is.
02:40:53 But he was explaining that part of their program was learning a trade, essentially.
02:40:57 So you go to college rather than a liberal arts degree where you come out with something that is going to be less and less useful, especially in the light of AI systems and things.
02:41:05 They come out with a trade and they're ready to go.
02:41:08 They've got like a college degree in a trade.
02:41:09 And I thought the more ubiquitous AI becomes, I think the more relevant trades will actually be.
02:41:16 And there's some really, really important things to be done there.
02:41:21 The other thing, too, is I'm seeing more posts that the Microsoft thing people People are like, this is an attack.
02:41:25 This is cyber attack or AI attack.
02:41:27 12 hours later, yeah.
02:41:28 Yeah.
02:41:29 I agree with that.
02:41:30 Especially, I made the glib comment that I could pull up ChatGPT and learn how to be a plumber in 20 minutes, being facetious.
02:41:30 On the trades, I agree.
02:41:37 But really, what it's about is the tools.
02:41:39 Like, a lot of times, if you play XCOM, you realize pretty quick with hyper advanced technology, the soldier's worth way less than the tech that he's carrying.
02:41:46 The armor, the night vision, it's worth millions.
02:41:49 The guy is expendable.
02:41:51 And it's the same way with trades.
02:41:53 Like, any monkey can learn the facts, but You need the tools to be able to accomplish the task.
02:41:58 So, I totally disagree.
02:42:00 I don't think so.
02:42:01 They're pretty basic understanding.
02:42:03 Put this here, turn that.
02:42:04 I totally disagree.
02:42:06 Well, in what way?
02:42:06 You'd be wrong, Phil.
02:42:08 I think that knowing how to diagnose a problem is important when it comes to, you know, if you're fixing something, right?
02:42:17 Some with plumbing or whatever.
02:42:19 And specifically, you're talking about like the when it comes to military, right?
02:42:23 The soldier is incredibly important.
02:42:26 You can slap all the gear you want on a dude.
02:42:30 But if the dude doesn't know how to enter a room properly, he's going to die.
02:42:34 Yeah, but if you see that viral video of the airsoft where the dude walks very slowly through the back door and just tags everybody's life, wipes the whole team out as they stood there confused.
02:42:44 I'm not saying that the soldier is not important because the soldier is the base of the military, but if the soldier were to die in combat, you better believe they're going in there to get the tech and not the guy's body.
02:42:53 That's absolutely not true.
02:42:54 Are you joking?
02:42:55 They might get the guy's body, but the tech is the most important aspect of the soldier.
02:42:59 No, it's his rifle.
02:43:00 Yes, it is. 0.99
02:43:01 Obviously, you can make faces all you want, but you're fucking wrong. 0.94
02:43:04 Bro, you think a guy in an exosuit, they care more about his body than his body? 0.93
02:43:07 They don't have exosuits right now.
02:43:09 Yeah, they do.
02:43:10 Ian, Ian, you need to stop because you are factually 100% incorrect.
02:43:13 Well, the caller said I was right and that Phil was wrong, so please expound quickly.
02:43:17 Body recovery is one of the.
02:43:19 Of course, it means something, but when you have values.
02:43:23 And our troops risk their lives to get remains.
02:43:25 Yeah, they'll get the body.
02:43:26 I'm not saying that that's not the case. 0.98
02:43:28 Listen, they will blow shit up to prevent the technology from falling into the enemy hands. 0.98
02:43:35 Not to recover it, they will just blow it up. 0.99
02:43:37 They're more valuable.
02:43:38 They won't blow up bodies.
02:43:38 I'm talking about that.
02:43:39 That's because they're people.
02:43:42 And people are more valuable.
02:43:43 They're going to do everything they can to not only recover human beings, but they're going to also make deals to try and get the corpses back so you can return the bodies.
02:43:52 The US will even release criminals for the purpose of getting dead bodies back. 0.95
02:43:57 In the age of having the knowledge, it's more important that you have the fucking tools to plumb your house than it is to know how to do it. 0.95
02:44:03 Because you can learn how to do it, you can't fabricate the tools on the fly. 0.97
02:44:06 That's my point.
02:44:08 I think it should be easier to become a plumber because it's so easy to learn how to do it, is my point.
02:44:08 So try.
02:44:13 Anyway, we are crunch with time, brother.
02:44:16 Do you want to shout anything out?
02:44:18 Yeah, absolutely.
02:44:19 I'll shout out the Saturday night poker tournament.
02:44:22 That's the biggest thing right now.
02:44:24 It's 7 p.m. Central Time.
02:44:27 Also, just so everybody knows, I did lose my election.
02:44:29 I was running for mayor in this current election, and I did lose.
02:44:34 So I tried.
02:44:35 I tried to fix the problem.
02:44:36 Condolences.
02:44:38 Good on you, though, brother.
02:44:39 Blessing.
02:44:40 Well, I appreciate it. 1.00
02:44:41 And Hassan cosplays as a cool, tough guy, but he talks like a bitch. 1.00
02:44:46 And I think that's a necessary part of that. 1.00
02:44:49 You can say whatever you want, but.
02:44:51 There's a reason the dude's got the biggest left wing stream.
02:44:54 He's not a suit wearing dude, you know what I mean?
02:44:58 And if he is wearing a suit, he looks good.
02:45:00 He recently.
02:45:02 He does sometimes for some things, but typically he's wearing jeans and a t shirt.
02:45:06 He's actually recently been wearing suits on his stream.
02:45:10 But anyway, man, I look forward to seeing you guys on Wow Forever.
02:45:13 It's like 20 years ago, man.
02:45:15 The old days are back.
02:45:16 I'm stoked.
02:45:18 I'm going to go for a subtlety hemorrhage combat.
02:45:21 I'm going to do hemorrhage swords, maybe.
02:45:23 I don't see what to make.
02:45:24 A druid again?
02:45:25 A priest?
02:45:25 Those are fun.
02:45:26 Yeah, they're all right.
02:45:27 The reason why I choose rogue is because sometimes I just want to play solo.
02:45:30 Yeah, hunters are good for that.
02:45:30 You know what I mean?
02:45:32 I always enjoy my choppy, my orcish hunter.
02:45:35 Yeah, like I had a level six.
02:45:36 Back in the day, I had two level 60 characters.
02:45:38 I didn't have a lot.
02:45:39 I just had a rogue and a priest.
02:45:40 The priest wasn't super decked out because it's a healer.
02:45:43 And so I would just, like, healing is easy.
02:45:47 You're standing there pressing one, F1, one, F1, one.
02:45:50 It's rough in late, late, late game because you got to see everything.
02:45:54 No, you have your party up.
02:45:56 You press F1 to select the party members whose health is down.
02:45:59 So you see the green bar go down, you hit F2, and then you hit heal.
02:46:01 Yeah, but you got to watch the map too.
02:46:03 You got to can't stand in the red circles.
02:46:04 You got to watch out.
02:46:05 Sure, sure, sure.
02:46:06 You got to move your guys around.
02:46:08 It's a lot different from playing a rogue where you're doing active PvP.
02:46:11 Like the thing about rogues is that they're.
02:46:16 I think OG rogues back in the day, I don't know how they're playing it now, it is similar, was one of the best because the skill cap was really high.
02:46:24 And it was fascinating to me because they kept nerfing shit and they kept buffing rogues.
02:46:28 They were too good. 0.99
02:46:30 No, but people were like, Rogues are so bad because they can't hurt warriors. 0.67
02:46:33 And I was like, You bleed them.
02:46:34 You bleed the warriors. 1.00
02:46:35 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00
02:46:37 These fucking losers would try and do like dagger ambush on a rogue and deal like 10% damage and be like, What's the point? 1.00
02:46:43 And I'm like, Dude, you don't fucking ambush. 1.00
02:46:43 Rogue's stupid. 1.00
02:46:47 First of all, use swords, use hemorrhage and bleed, stun, bleed, stun, and he's dead. 1.00
02:46:51 And then when he does his fucking yell, because I never played warrior, you, uh, you, uh, garrote. 0.99
02:47:00 Then you hemorrhage, hemorrhage. 0.99
02:47:02 Then you gouge.
02:47:03 No, no, I'm sorry, not gouge.
02:47:05 Then you want to, what's the bleed one?
02:47:07 And then, no, I never played Rogue.
02:47:08 Then you do a couple base physicals.
02:47:10 Then you vanish, back off because the warrior's going to yell to try and pull you out of stealth.
02:47:15 Then you go up and re trigger the bleeds and then stun and bleed.
02:47:18 Then you prep.
02:47:20 Then you vanish again.
02:47:21 And then you do it.
02:47:22 He's dead.
02:47:22 Boom, you're done.
02:47:23 10 minute cooldown on prep.
02:47:24 I get it.
02:47:25 But I'm not saying like go and fight 27 warriors in a row.
02:47:28 When your abilities were all active, wiping up warriors was.
02:47:30 Cake.
02:47:31 Not like you want to get a caster. 0.99
02:47:32 Oh my God, dude.
02:47:33 Squishy mages, warlocks, and priests were.
02:47:36 Glad you didn't mention that. 1.00
02:47:36 You're cocks. 1.00
02:47:37 The mages would just blink. 1.00
02:47:38 They'd be like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. 0.99
02:47:40 Druids could tank, but no. 0.99
02:47:40 Yeah, yeah. 0.99
02:47:42 That rogue was so good.
02:47:42 You know what I did?
02:47:43 I was an engineer because then I would throw the nets at him.
02:47:46 Oh, that's right.
02:47:47 I was an engineer for a while.
02:47:48 I changed to alchemy herbalism. 0.99
02:47:50 Nah, fuck that because engineers give you active abilities. 0.99
02:47:52 I wanted to fund my guild. 1.00
02:47:53 I would always give everyone my guild 16 slot backpacks.
02:47:56 I would give them to everyone in the guild, give money, give money to everybody.
02:47:58 I don't love it.
02:47:59 Sir, I thank you for your service, but with engineering, you had active abilities.
02:48:03 You had a team.
02:48:03 And teleport.
02:48:04 I mean, you had soft fall.
02:48:06 You could teleport.
02:48:07 You had the belt for temporary damage absorption.
02:48:09 The shrink ray.
02:48:10 I still have my shrink ray on my.
02:48:12 So I'm playing PvP and I'm in like Alteric Valley and I'm like. 1.00
02:48:16 I'm decked out like fuck, bro. 0.99
02:48:17 You know, I love when I started. 1.00
02:48:19 Your other one.
02:48:21 Engineering.
02:48:21 What was your other sub skill?
02:48:22 Priest skill.
02:48:23 No, no, your sub skill of an engineering.
02:48:25 Mining.
02:48:26 Okay.
02:48:26 Mining and engineering.
02:48:27 Sorry to interrupt.
02:48:28 Yeah, because they go together.
02:48:30 You value.
02:48:31 You mine and smelt, and then you make the gear.
02:48:35 But Alteric Valley, dude, I remember I played in Legion.
02:48:38 And then I'm like, it's been like 15 years. 0.99
02:48:40 Same fucking thing. 0.99
02:48:41 I loved it. 1.00
02:48:42 Rogues sneak up into the tower, capture the tower, and then, you know, so I play Alliance.
02:48:48 And there's an imbalance in the structure of the towers because capturing a horde tower is more difficult than capturing an alliance tower, but defending a horde tower is a lot easier than trying to capture an alliance tower in defense.
02:49:01 So, anyway, my point is as a rogue, I can easily sneak into the alliance tower and recap it because you can stand in the back and then just start, you know, and the players aren't looking and they don't notice.
02:49:12 Asmund Gold.
02:49:12 Anyway, okay, we're going to go.
02:49:13 We're going to get out of here.
02:49:14 You got to go to bed.
02:49:15 Join us.
02:49:16 Andrew's going to announce the guild.
02:49:18 We're going to have 50,000 people. 1.00
02:49:20 We're going to declare war on Asmongold and we're going to win. 1.00
02:49:23 Thanks for hanging out, guys. 1.00
02:49:24 We'll see y'all tomorrow.
02:49:27 I got to play a priest.