Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Democrat RESIGNS From Congress After METOO Accusations, SWALWELL IS OUT | Timcast IRL

00:00:12.000 Eric Swalwell

00:02:50.000 has announced he is resigning from Congress.

00:02:54.000 And this is absolutely shocking.

00:02:56.000 I didn't see it coming.

00:02:57.000 We knew that he was dropping out of the gubernatorial race in California because, well, he's been accused of raping a woman more than once, as well as several other women who accused him of impropriety, sending nasty photos, and apparently more women are about to come out.

00:03:12.000 But the speculation was that the Democratic Party did not want to give up any seats in Congress because Republicans barely have a majority as it is, but he's resigning.

00:03:21.000 I suppose he's only resigning because Tony Gonzalez, a Republican, is also resigning at the same time.

00:03:27.000 So, two members of Congress resigning over weird sex scandals.

00:03:30.000 But the funny thing about Swalwell is, man, he sure can dish it.

00:03:34.000 When it came to Kavanaugh, he called for Kavanaugh to bring out all of the accusers to speak up and have their stories heard.

00:03:44.000 The accusations against Kavanaugh were absolutely psychotic.

00:03:47.000 And I'm going to go ahead and say this, guys.

00:03:49.000 I know, I know, many people are going to get upset about this, but.

00:03:53.000 I'm actually, I got to defend Swalwell at least a little bit.

00:03:56.000 I certainly think it looks like he's having an affair on his wife or whatever, and there's videos of him with some other woman making out with her and stuff like that.

00:04:04.000 But I have to question these allegations because it seems like this is an attempt to knock him out of the California race and Congress because Democrats were on track to lose the state.

00:04:14.000 The way the primary in California works, it's an open primary, so the top two candidates advance to the general.

00:04:19.000 This means that the two Republicans who are the leading candidates were likely going to be the only two choices.

00:04:25.000 Democrats had been begging.

00:04:27.000 One of these other Democrats to drop out, but none of them would until now.

00:04:31.000 Until a woman claims that over the period of a couple of years, she chose to get drunk, go hang out with him in his hotel room, and then, oh no, whoops, it happened again.

00:04:40.000 So we'll talk about that story.

00:04:42.000 I mean, look, what do I know?

00:04:44.000 We'll see what the evidence is, but I have a feeling it's never going to go to criminal prosecution.

00:04:48.000 This is just a political maneuver to stab the man in the back. 0.97

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00:05:05.000 And then he deleted it and said he thought he was a doctor, but the image was edited to have a demon floating behind him.

00:05:10.000 And so everybody's just freaking out about that.

00:05:12.000 We're going to talk about that and a lot more, my friends.

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00:06:43.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Daniel Hayworth.

00:06:47.000 Hey, Tim, thanks for having me on.

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00:06:48.000 Yeah, who are you?

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00:06:50.000 Yeah, so I'm a pastor full time.

00:06:52.000 I also write for Human Events, where Libby is one of the wonderful editors over there.

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00:07:16.000 And so that's what I do full time.

00:07:19.000 And we're obviously very engaged politically there in Texas as well.

00:07:22.000 We have a lot of stuff that we do, pretty outspoken on some of that stuff, got some traction on it, most recently for our Islam stuff.

00:07:29.000 And we're going to talk about how you're saying Trump is not the Antichrist.

00:07:33.000 I am saying Trump's not the Antichrist.

00:07:34.000 Ah, okay.

00:07:36.000 But I do think that AI might be the beast, which is.

00:07:38.000 I agree.

00:07:38.000 Stuff's freaking me out.

00:07:39.000 We'll talk about this.

00:07:40.000 Libby's hanging out.

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00:07:41.000 I'm Libby Emmons.

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00:07:53.000 What's up?

00:07:54.000 Hanging out.

00:07:55.000 What's up, Phil?

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00:07:56.000 Phil's here.

00:07:57.000 What's going on, everybody?

00:07:58.000 Let's get to it.

00:07:59.000 We got the big story here from CNN.

00:08:02.000 Swalwell says he plans to resign from Congress amid sexual misconduct allegations.

00:08:07.000 I have questions, CNN.

00:08:09.000 Actually, you know what?

00:08:10.000 I can't do this.

00:08:11.000 Can I just fix this?

00:08:12.000 Okay, here's what you do you click inspect, and then we're going to go here and we're going to pull this up and we're going to get rid of sexual misconduct allegations, right?

00:08:21.000 So we're going to delete that.

00:08:23.000 We're going to get rid of it amid rape.

00:08:26.000 There you go.

00:08:27.000 I fixed it for you, CNN.

00:08:29.000 Swalwell says he plans to resign from Congress amid rape allegations.

00:08:32.000 This is a story about Eric Swalwell.

00:08:35.000 They call him Fartwell because he farted on MSNBC.

00:08:38.000 He's accused of rape.

00:08:39.000 Now, he's dropped out of the race. 0.75

00:08:41.000 The important thing to understand California's got an open primary system for the governor's race.

00:08:46.000 The top two candidates, party doesn't matter, advance in November, and it's a race between those two people.

00:08:51.000 Well, the top two candidates were Republicans.

00:08:53.000 The Democratic Party had been begging these individuals to drop out at least one person.

00:08:57.000 So that the votes from that one person would move to another candidate, thus giving California the option for a Democrat or Republican, but none of them would.

00:09:06.000 Until now, after Swalwell was accused of rape.

00:09:09.000 And this is surprising.

00:09:10.000 We didn't think he was going to drop out of Congress, resign from Congress, because Democrats were, I mean, it's very thin, Republican control in Congress.

00:09:18.000 But yeah, he's dropping out, which is absolutely insane.

00:09:22.000 Now I'm going to say this.

00:09:23.000 I want to show you guys the story for those that didn't see it.

00:09:26.000 And I'm going to have to go all anti woke and defend Eric Swalwell.

00:09:31.000 And I mean it because here's the allegation.

00:09:33.000 They say a former staffer alleges he pressed himself on her sexually while she worked for him.

00:09:38.000 And had sex with her twice while she was too intoxicated to consent.

00:09:43.000 The woman told the paper that Swalwell began pursuing her soon after she was hired at 21 to work in his office in East Bay. 0.98

00:09:50.000 Swalwell, who was married and has three children, sent photos of his junk to the young staffer on Snapchat and pursued her sexually.

00:09:55.000 In September of 2019, the woman said she woke up naked in Swalwell's hotel room after a dinner out with friends and felt the physical effects of intercourse. 0.92

00:10:04.000 She later left his office but continued to work in politics.

00:10:07.000 In April of 24, the accuser attended an awards ceremony in New York where Swalwell was being honored.

00:10:13.000 After meeting up with him, she got drinks with him and ended up intoxicated in his hotel room where he forcibly had sex with her, she claims.

00:10:20.000 The Chronicle corroborated her claims with medical records and by speaking with friends she had confided in and a former boyfriend.

00:10:26.000 In response, Swalwell's attorney sent a cease and desist letter to the counsel for the accuser and raised the possibility of a defamation suit.

00:10:32.000 I gotta admit, I actually feel bad for Swalwell. 1.00

00:10:35.000 Now, I think he's a scumbag. 1.00

00:10:37.000 I think, live by the sword, Eric. 1.00

00:10:40.000 This is what you get.

00:10:41.000 You came after Kavanaugh.

00:10:42.000 You know that they were lying about Kavanaugh, but let's just break this down and be honest, okay?

00:10:47.000 This is a woman who claims she went to dinner with him and had drinks, then went to his hotel room.

00:10:54.000 She woke up naked in his hotel room.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, sounds like she went to his hotel room with him and then said, Oh, but I was too intoxicated to consent.

00:11:01.000 Told no one, said nothing.

00:11:03.000 Five years later, she goes to meet up with Swalwell again, has drinks with him, goes to his hotel room, and then once again wakes up naked and says, Oh, this time you forced me.

00:11:13.000 Now, they claim they corroborated medical records.

00:11:15.000 Apparently, my understanding, I could be wrong, is that she got a pregnancy test shortly after.

00:11:21.000 and an STD test.

00:11:22.000 That's what they're claiming.

00:11:23.000 She did not report a rape.

00:11:25.000 She didn't say that Swalwell raped her twice.

00:11:27.000 And I have questions about the mental fact, the cognitive faculties of a woman who claims to have gotten raped and then literally goes back to get drunk with him and goes to his hotel room.

00:11:36.000 I have these questions as well.

00:11:37.000 And one thing that I never could quite square with the Me Too movement amid lots of things, but one of the things I could never quite square is this kind of thing where if a woman gets drunk and goes to a man's hotel room, that means she didn't consent.

00:11:51.000 Like, I don't get that. 0.52

00:11:53.000 Don't you know? 0.87

00:11:53.000 I mean, in law, If a woman is driving drunk, she can't be held criminally responsible because she was too drunk to consent to drive. 0.87

00:12:00.000 Oh, that's right.

00:12:01.000 She's not responsible.

00:12:01.000 That's right.

00:12:02.000 It's the car's fault.

00:12:03.000 It's Schrodinger's responsibility.

00:12:05.000 Sure.

00:12:05.000 That's the way that it works.

00:12:06.000 What it works too is like if she's drinking and he's drinking, they're both drinking, they decide to do this thing together.

00:12:13.000 Did you ever see the ad that was placed somewhere in the UK where there was a man and a woman and it was they both go out, they both get drunk, she couldn't consent. 0.99

00:12:25.000 He's a rapist.

00:12:26.000 And it's like, they both got drunk. 1.00

00:12:30.000 Why is it that he was the one that was the rapist?

00:12:33.000 Why isn't she the rapist?

00:12:34.000 Why isn't, and also, why isn't she just like admitting, hey, I did some things that I'm not proud of.

00:12:34.000 Yes.

00:12:41.000 I behaved in ways that I'm not happy with, and I'm not going to behave that way again?

00:12:45.000 Schrodinger's responsibility. 1.00

00:12:46.000 It doesn't fall in line with the feminist worldview that the left is beholden to.

00:12:50.000 Well, it doesn't fall in line with the current feminist worldview that the left is beholden to, but certainly it falls in line with the like Camille Paglia feminist worldview. 1.00

00:12:58.000 I, I certainly think that Swalwell was probably like macking on a bunch of women.

00:13:02.000 He's not a good dude.

00:13:03.000 He's cheating on his wife or whatever.

00:13:05.000 But I, you know, as much as it's hard, I got to put it this way there's like, there's scales here, right?

00:13:11.000 And normally, if there's any other guy who knew a woman and they were, you know, friends with benefits or whatever, hooking up, and then she betrayed him, it's like instantly you feel bad for this guy who's being lied about and falsely accused by someone you thought was his friend.

00:13:24.000 But then when you weigh it out with he's having an affair on his wife and he's a dirtbag in Congress who falsely accused people himself, It's kind of like it's hard to feel bad for him.

00:13:32.000 We don't have to have any love loss.

00:13:33.000 Like, I have no love loss for Eric Swalwell. 0.93

00:13:35.000 He's a dirtbag, right? 0.96

00:13:36.000 Like, I'm not. 0.88

00:13:37.000 But here's what I will say I was thinking this is what I thought when I first saw this, which is this is why Democrats vote in lockstep.

00:13:43.000 I honestly, to God, believe that there's so many people on the Democrat side of the aisle where they just know that if they do anything that's going to offend the party or bring the party out of power, which is what Swalwell was basically his position in the California governor's primary was threatening.

00:14:00.000 The Democrat Party as a whole, that they just have enough skeletons in the closet for all of their congressional members that they'll just nuke you.

00:14:06.000 And I think that this is like one of the reasons why Republicans don't always get in lockstep.

00:14:11.000 And the Democrats, you never see them voting out of lockstep for the last 20 years.

00:14:15.000 I kind of disagree.

00:14:16.000 Oh, I disagree with that.

00:14:18.000 I don't think that Republicans are by nature any better people than Democrats.

00:14:23.000 I think they just have different.

00:14:24.000 Well, every individual person is obviously.

00:14:26.000 Yeah.

00:14:27.000 I'm not saying that, but I am saying.

00:14:30.000 The Democrats know how to wield and leverage their power.

00:14:33.000 You think it's behavioral?

00:14:34.000 Well, and I think that also, I do think that there's more people on the right side of the aisle, and I'm a conservative and Republican, so obviously I think this, but I think that there's more people on our side of the aisle who are genuinely moral than people who are on the left side of the aisle because of the worldview which you hold.

00:14:34.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 So I think there's some truth to that, but that doesn't mean that, like, I'm not, oh, every person who's a Congressman is a Republican is a good guy.

00:14:55.000 Like, I'm not saying that.

00:14:57.000 Obviously, that's not true.

00:15:00.000 Yeah.

00:15:00.000 I mean, I agree.

00:15:02.000 I think that there are people of poor character on both sides of the aisle.

00:15:08.000 And I do think that Democrats are better at.

00:15:12.000 At corralling the Democrats.

00:15:15.000 There was.

00:15:15.000 Because they'll meet you.

00:15:16.000 They're like, if you threaten our power, we'll meet you.

00:15:18.000 There used to be a phrase that was thrown around DC the Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love, right?

00:15:26.000 Democrats are all about, well, this person is what I want to believe in, et cetera, whereas Republicans fall in line.

00:15:33.000 I think that those days are gone.

00:15:35.000 I think it's clear that Republicans don't fall in line the way that they used to.

00:15:42.000 And I think you see that with the fighting that's going on with the MAGA base between the MAGA base and the neocons or some decent GOP or whatever.

00:15:55.000 But I do think that, look, I mean, I'm not in any way upset that this is happening to Swalwell. 0.95

00:16:01.000 I do think anytime a woman has a lot of years between when something happened and when it comes out, it always happens when it's particularly convenient or easy to do. 0.95

00:16:12.000 It's very convenient right now.

00:16:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:15.000 Because there were too many Democrats on the. 0.93

00:16:17.000 Running for governor in California.

00:16:19.000 And I think that there's substance.

00:16:20.000 And I think Mike Hilton and another GOP might take the lead, you know.

00:16:24.000 But I don't feel bad for Swalwell at all.

00:16:26.000 And I think it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

00:16:28.000 You heard what he said about Kavanaugh.

00:16:30.000 I went back and started looking at some of the interviews he gave in 2018.

00:16:34.000 And he was like, oh, this must be the unluckiest guy ever if all these people are saying that he did this bad thing 20 years ago.

00:16:42.000 Yeah.

00:16:43.000 And he was saying also that the victims, you know, should be.

00:16:47.000 Paraded into Congress and give their testimony.

00:16:50.000 I think that should happen for Swallow.

00:16:52.000 I'm always concerned about anonymous accusations.

00:16:55.000 I think that's always bogus.

00:16:57.000 He's got an ethics committee investigation, which is probably why he decided to resign.

00:17:01.000 And he's facing an investigation in New York for perhaps a divorce.

00:17:06.000 You know, who knows what's going to happen?

00:17:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:09.000 Well, live by the sword. 0.99

00:17:11.000 I think Democrats are just evil people. 0.99

00:17:13.000 For sure. 1.00

00:17:14.000 Yep.

00:17:16.000 For sure.

00:17:16.000 I don't agree with, I never agree with Democrats the way that they use these allegations and accusations to take people down.

00:17:16.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 So even though, you know, Swalwell would do that himself, I think it's wrong to do it, but I'm also not sad to see him go.

00:17:32.000 So what happens when your only virtue is power, which is something that we've talked about?

00:17:35.000 It's a very Democrat thing.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 It's like their only virtue is maintaining political power.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:40.000 And so anything in pursuit of that can be sacrificed for that, which we see play out over and over and over again.

00:17:45.000 I think this is just like the latest instance of it, but you.

00:17:48.000 Think honestly about the political landscape.

00:17:50.000 When was the last time anyone in the Democrat side sacrificed power actually in order to do something virtuous outside of that goal?

00:17:56.000 Yeah, no, Swalwell sacrificing power to save what remains of his power.

00:18:00.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:18:01.000 So let me read a statement.

00:18:02.000 He said on Axie Post, I am deeply sorry to my family, staff, and constituents for mistakes in judgment I've made in my past.

00:18:08.000 I will fight the serious false allegation made against me.

00:18:10.000 However, I must take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes I did make.

00:18:13.000 I am aware of efforts to bring an immediate expulsion vote against me and other members.

00:18:17.000 Expelling anyone in Congress without due process within days of an allegation being made is wrong.

00:18:22.000 But it's also wrong for my constituents to have me distracted from my duties.

00:18:25.000 Therefore, I plan to resign my seat in Congress.

00:18:28.000 I will work with my staff in the coming days to ensure they are able, in my absence, to serve the needs of the good people of the 14th Congressional District.

00:18:36.000 I just got to say it again removing all of the politics.

00:18:40.000 If you have a story of a guy and he likes to work with a young woman, she's into him, they have drinks, they hook up.

00:18:47.000 A few years later, she meets back up with him.

00:18:49.000 Presumably, now she's in her late 20s, they have drinks, they're probably having a good time.

00:18:55.000 Imagine the laughs they were sharing as they were at the bar, hanging out.

00:18:58.000 He's asking her how it's been.

00:19:00.000 She hasn't worked for him for a couple of years.

00:19:02.000 And then they go back to his place and, you know, get it on. 0.77

00:19:04.000 And then later she knifes him in the back for political power. 0.97

00:19:07.000 That's the Democratic Party. 0.98

00:19:09.000 You will be stabbed in the back by demons the moment they can make money off of you. 0.97

00:19:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:19:15.000 So again, I don't know. 1.00

00:19:17.000 Maybe the story's true. 0.97

00:19:18.000 Maybe she just got raped twice by the guy and she keeps coming back for more.

00:19:21.000 I mean, there's a lot of women who get abused by guys that come back to that guy, you know? 0.98

00:19:25.000 She must like him. 1.00

00:19:27.000 Well, you know, I mean, there's the allure of a person in Congress, you know, women are attracted to power.

00:19:32.000 So I guess she does like, or did like him enough to hang out with him more than once.

00:19:36.000 And maybe she likes money even more.

00:19:37.000 And that's why she's owning up to it now.

00:19:39.000 You know, one of the girls was texting him, too, like in between.

00:19:41.000 I think it was the same girl that was like, hey, you're going to make such a great governor of California, right?

00:19:45.000 Like, texting him different stuff that had gotten leaked in one of the previous dumps. 1.00

00:19:49.000 Because there's multiple women involved in these different things. 1.00

00:19:51.000 And one of them was like, don't worry, honey, you're going to be great as governor of California.

00:19:54.000 So you got to think, like, it's not a non consensual, like, Forcible rape situation, at least in some of these things.

00:20:02.000 And so it just comes back to like, okay, it would be good for us as a country.

00:20:06.000 And I know I'm a pastor, but I'm just saying it would be great for us as a country if we would recover some of like a more biblical sexual ethic of like, how about you sleep with your wife?

00:20:15.000 We rein some of this stuff in.

00:20:17.000 And I know that that's going to get me a lot of hate, but I'll just say you can't get accused of a lot of these things if you're actually pursuing something that's virtuous outside of your own life.

00:20:27.000 Except there's a video of him making out with a woman.

00:20:30.000 And the conspiracy theory is that in order to be high ranking political in the Democratic Party, they intentionally make you do things on film they can use against you.

00:20:37.000 And look at it like Scientology, like Scientology.

00:20:40.000 I have no idea if they're doing that.

00:20:41.000 But with this video of Swalwell, the conspiracy theory is when you come into the private club and they say, like, do you want to be a member of Congress?

00:20:49.000 Do you want to be a superdelegate?

00:20:50.000 Do you want to be in power?

00:20:52.000 Okay, we're going to film you. 0.99

00:20:53.000 That way, if you ever cross us, we'll destroy you. 1.00

00:20:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:56.000 Like a gang. 1.00

00:20:57.000 But who would say yes to that, right?

00:20:59.000 Like, you'd rather just turn around and say, I like if you're in that position, you'd think someone smart would say, I'm actually going to tell this story on the news at 8 a.m. tomorrow and screw you over before you have any leverage over me.

00:21:11.000 You'd think that at some point somebody would say something.

00:21:13.000 I mean, if you're not, if you haven't achieved a position of power yet, you're going to be going up against essentially the whole Democrat machine.

00:21:21.000 And it's just little old you trying to get time with people that are friendly with the Democrat machine.

00:21:26.000 You know, if you're going to be on the news, who do the news align with, you know?

00:21:31.000 And second of all, to your earlier point, look, Mike Pence got a lot of flack.

00:21:37.000 I remember.

00:21:37.000 He made it clear that he doesn't go to dinner by himself with women that are not his wife.

00:21:42.000 And that, to be honest with you, that's a very smart thing to do.

00:21:45.000 I just watched that new movie on Apple TV, Outcome with Keanu Reeves.

00:21:48.000 Have you guys heard of it?

00:21:49.000 I haven't seen it.

00:21:49.000 No.

00:21:50.000 No.

00:21:51.000 It's actually really good.

00:21:52.000 I wouldn't describe it as a funny comedy, I would just describe it as kind of like an interesting movie with some chuckles in it.

00:21:59.000 It's supposed to be a black comedy.

00:22:01.000 And the story is Keanu Reeves is playing a childhood.

00:22:06.000 Celebrity who grows up and is beloved by everybody when he finds out that there is a tape someone's got of him doing something improper, causing him to have a panic attack.

00:22:16.000 I heard about this.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, it's there's some funny things in it because Jonah Hill's character is psychotic.

00:22:22.000 He's got a portrait of Kanye West in his office in LA.

00:22:25.000 There's like a bunch of it's like it's like things like that that are jokes that aren't really ha ha ha, you're laughing your ass off.

00:22:30.000 However, I have to, I have to, there's a spoiler I'm going to make.

00:22:36.000 I have to say it because it's very relevant.

00:22:38.000 He, in the end, I won't give away exactly what happens, but he asks someone, Do you hate me?

00:22:45.000 He's like a celebrity and people are coming after him.

00:22:47.000 And the guy's like, No, man, I love you.

00:22:49.000 I'm just broke.

00:22:52.000 And that's what I see with stuff like this.

00:22:54.000 Swalwell is a man with power.

00:22:56.000 And these women clearly behind the scenes are like, They love him. 0.96

00:23:00.000 Then someone comes to them and says, Do you want power in exchange for burning him?

00:23:05.000 And they go, Yes, absolutely.

00:23:06.000 So, I think that more people are oppressed, as you were saying, by demons, influenced by demons than we let on.

00:23:21.000 There are people out there.

00:23:22.000 I will tell you this, man.

00:23:25.000 They have demons on their shoulders.

00:23:27.000 And I don't mean this figuratively.

00:23:30.000 You walk to them, you're a regular working class guy.

00:23:32.000 Let's say you do general trade work, and you meet someone one day, and he's a good guy.

00:23:38.000 And he buys you a beer, and you're like, you know, Jim's a good dude.

00:23:42.000 Then, the moment you have something he wants, he slashes your tires, he beats the crap out of you and takes everything and runs.

00:23:48.000 And you're thinking to yourself, how is it possible that someone could do that?

00:23:51.000 There are more people like that than anyone knows.

00:23:54.000 It's just that the demons are looking for someone to prey upon that they can attack.

00:24:00.000 And Swalwell is standing high on a pedestal.

00:24:03.000 Not the highest of pedestals, but he's up there.

00:24:05.000 And I think, and I could be wrong, maybe the allegations are all true, but I doubt it. 0.92

00:24:09.000 I think these women are just like, ooh, you mean I can take from him? 0.53

00:24:13.000 I will. 1.00

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:14.000 Well, you encounter all.

00:24:16.000 I would say everybody, actually, believe it or not, I would say everybody has dealt with and actively to a degree deals with what we in Christianity would call demonic forces, which means that possession and oppression are different, right?

00:24:28.000 Not everyone's possessed by a demon, and you don't need to look for a demon under every rock that you kick, but there's an active kingdom of darkness.

00:24:34.000 That's what, you know, the Bible says that clearly in Ephesians.

00:24:37.000 It says, Our struggles are not against flesh and blood, against the rulers' authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms, meaning there's a world that we can't see.

00:24:47.000 And I think that the world, that the country is starting to wake up to this.

00:24:49.000 We've had this really secular.

00:24:52.000 America for 60 years or so that just taught us that atheistic, secular morality, that's what's been taught in our public school systems.

00:24:58.000 There is no God.

00:24:59.000 Atheism is the only way.

00:25:01.000 And I think people are starting to realize hey, there's something more to this world that I can't see.

00:25:06.000 And I think that a lot of the stuff that you see makes a lot more sense when you start to view the world through a spiritual lens and say, well, what if a demon were involved in this?

00:25:16.000 What would they do?

00:25:17.000 And if you ask yourself that question about like, I would say 75, 80%, I think Libby, we've talked about this before, of the political stories, you would say, Oh, yeah, there's something spiritual going on here that I can't see necessarily in the physical, but that makes sense if you ask yourself the question like, what would somebody who's acting either beholden to or influenced by a worldview or by the whispers of demons do?

00:25:38.000 And I think that that's what this case is.

00:25:40.000 Let's jump to this story from CNN.

00:25:42.000 Trump deletes social media posts depicting him as Jesus, but refuses to apologize amid tension with Pope.

00:25:50.000 Well, here's the image.

00:25:52.000 Gunther Eagleman says President Trump just posted this powerful painting on Truth Social.

00:25:56.000 Trump stands radiant in a red robe, laying hands on a sick man while surrounded by American symbols the flag, eagles, fighter jets, the Statue of Liberty, and everyday heroes.

00:26:07.000 Well, here's the image, and that's clearly Trump as Jesus healing a sick man with divine light.

00:26:15.000 You don't have a stethoscope of scrubs.

00:26:18.000 Oh, you mean this one right here?

00:26:19.000 No, I mean Trump.

00:26:20.000 I was thinking about that.

00:26:21.000 Here's scrubs in his stethoscope.

00:26:23.000 Here's a weird demon above him.

00:26:26.000 That's weird.

00:26:27.000 Sure, there's a weird demon in that picture.

00:26:29.000 I mean, to be honest, it's just a weird AI monster.

00:26:32.000 It could just be like a crown.

00:26:33.000 I think it's actually.

00:26:33.000 Sure.

00:26:34.000 So, this is going to be a little nerd side of me.

00:26:34.000 I actually.

00:26:39.000 That is actually more closely related to, and it's an AI image, so it's not exact.

00:26:43.000 That's actually more closely aligned to what's described in the Bible as a seraphim, which is actually a type of angel, than it is anything else.

00:26:51.000 Seraphim are a type of guardian angel that are described in the Bible.

00:26:55.000 In the book of Ezekiel, you can find some stuff about that.

00:26:57.000 But that said, it's an AI image, so it looks a lot more demonic because the head is wrong.

00:27:01.000 Also, because AI is.

00:27:03.000 Also, because AI, I think, is demonic.

00:27:05.000 So that's a rabbit hole.

00:27:06.000 But I don't think it's necessarily a demon, is my only comment on that.

00:27:10.000 Trump responded, and here's what he said.

00:27:16.000 Depicted as Jesus Christ?

00:27:17.000 Well, it wasn't depicted.

00:27:19.000 It was me.

00:27:20.000 I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there, which we support.

00:27:27.000 And only the fake news could come up with that one.

00:27:31.000 So I just heard about it, and I said, How do they come up with that?

00:27:37.000 It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better.

00:27:40.000 And I do make people better.

00:27:42.000 I make people a lot better.

00:27:44.000 As an example, the 11,000, I understand your husband's going.

00:27:49.000 That is the worst.

00:27:50.000 I've ever seen from Trump. 0.93

00:27:52.000 And Trump's a spinster.

00:27:54.000 So, well, he's a spin master, a spinster, or something else.

00:27:57.000 So, I was watching Fox today.

00:28:00.000 And in one of their quick news alerts, it was like Donald Trump is being criticized for an image depicting him wearing a white robe and healing a sick man.

00:28:09.000 Trump has made a statement.

00:28:11.000 And I'm like, whoa, That is not at all what's going on.

00:28:15.000 Trump is being criticized because I'm assuming.

00:28:20.000 Someone took a picture of Jesus and said, Make it Donald Trump in the AI, and this is what it made.

00:28:25.000 And it's just, you know, very weird.

00:28:28.000 So immediately, this is the reaction that we got.

00:28:33.000 British morning show guest declares Trump is the Antichrist.

00:28:36.000 Check this out.

00:28:36.000 But I'm just going to say this, right?

00:28:38.000 I am a person that was raised a Catholic.

00:28:40.000 I did all the sacraments, I read the book, you know.

00:28:43.000 I lost my faith, but I still find that deeply, deeply offensive.

00:28:49.000 Which is. 0.99

00:28:49.000 Okay, I just got to pause and say, Shut up. 0.99

00:28:52.000 I lost my faith, but I'm offended. 0.99

00:28:54.000 No, you're shocked.

00:28:55.000 How dare you.

00:28:55.000 All of it.

00:28:56.000 That is blasphemous.

00:28:57.000 What the picture you mean?

00:28:59.000 The picture is blasphemous.

00:29:00.000 It's a huge disrespect.

00:29:01.000 That in itself is the breaking of a commandment.

00:29:04.000 The man himself has broken all, in my mind, all but eight.

00:29:08.000 So he's broken eight of the ten commandments.

00:29:11.000 This guy, in my opinion, is the Antichrist.

00:29:12.000 That's a different one.

00:29:13.000 So no wonder he doesn't like the Pope.

00:29:15.000 I have no. 0.78

00:29:16.000 He's the Antichrist.

00:29:17.000 I mean, so I will just say this, and then we can have this discussion.

00:29:21.000 Several years ago, we had a conversation on.

00:29:24.000 The Culture Award podcast with some eschatologists, amateur eschatologists on social media, where this is 2023.

00:29:30.000 They said on the show if Donald Trump suffers any kind of injury to the right side of his head or face, and he nearly dying or has some kind of injury to his right arm, he is the Antichrist.

00:29:43.000 And at the time, we're like, I mean, come on.

00:29:46.000 And then Trump took a bullet to the side of the head, suffering an injury that seemingly was a mortal wound where he falls down and people don't know if he's dead, but then he rises up, raising his fist, blood dripping down.

00:29:56.000 Seemingly healed or surviving, some say a false resurrection.

00:30:01.000 And right now, he's got this growing blotch on his arm that is spreading, and he's been covering it up with makeup.

00:30:07.000 Have you seen this?

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 And now, what's happening is people are saying he's got the injury to the right side of his face, and he has the withering right arm.

00:30:15.000 Now, with these images of him as the Messiah and that woman in the White House, in the Oval Office, who said, You have a lot in common with another man.

00:30:22.000 Paula Wright.

00:30:23.000 I don't remember, but that's his personal pastor.

00:30:23.000 Is that who that was?

00:30:26.000 And then everyone got mad saying he's comparing himself to Jesus.

00:30:29.000 So.

00:30:30.000 Again, I'm not offended by this.

00:30:32.000 I think, you know, my attitude is kind of like, you know, whatever.

00:30:35.000 But there are a lot of people now saying that Trump is the Antichrist, and more and more we are seeing signs.

00:30:40.000 People were saying Trump is the Antichrist for a long time.

00:30:42.000 Yes, but.

00:30:43.000 People want an excuse, I think, to say Trump's the Antichrist to a certain category of people.

00:30:48.000 Yes.

00:30:48.000 A bullet to the right side of his head that many people at the moment thought he died when he got shot, when there's a shot rang out and he grabs it and the blood's on his hand and then he goes down.

00:30:59.000 I remember when that happened and seeing the video.

00:31:01.000 No one had any idea what was going on.

00:31:03.000 And then he stands up with his fist raised and yells, fight, fight, fight.

00:31:07.000 And this was a seemingly mortal wound that did not stop him.

00:31:11.000 And then he rises up, but he's also got the withered hand.

00:31:14.000 So, of course, I got to say, like, having a world leader who hits at least, like, even just two of the criteria is worrying.

00:31:24.000 I'm not saying Trump is the Antichrist, but I can see why people are starting to freak out.

00:31:28.000 And, you know, Clint Russell, a friend of the show, said in the last year and a half, he went from hesitantly voting for Donald Trump to now believing he might be the Antichrist.

00:31:36.000 A lot of people.

00:31:38.000 Are starting to think that might be the case.

00:31:40.000 I mean, I have issues with this.

00:31:43.000 I don't find it personally offensive necessarily. 0.99

00:31:45.000 I do find it blasphemous entirely because if I was going to be personally offended, I'd be offended by like tons of stuff all the time, which is stupid. 0.99

00:31:52.000 But this is idolatry. 0.99

00:31:54.000 He's idolizing himself and casting himself in the role of Jesus Christ.

00:31:58.000 And that is against the rules. 1.00

00:32:00.000 You know, that stupid lady is kind of right about that one. 1.00

00:32:05.000 Well, it's a false God and he's worshiping him. 1.00

00:32:08.000 And it's himself.

00:32:09.000 I'm going to give Trump.

00:32:11.000 I'm going to give Trump much, much less credit than that.

00:32:13.000 I'm going to give Trump much, much less credit than that.

00:32:16.000 I'm giving the demons who are perhaps controlling the government credit.

00:32:18.000 No, no, no, no.

00:32:19.000 Listen.

00:32:20.000 I think what actually happened is Occam's Razor is that he gets sent memes by staffers that he doesn't really pay attention to.

00:32:27.000 And someone sent him this image because it was some pastor posted in February.

00:32:32.000 And Trump glanced at it and then just hit share and then posted the truth, not really thinking.

00:32:38.000 That's really similar to my take.

00:32:40.000 Because I would give him full agency.

00:32:42.000 They print.

00:32:44.000 They hand it off.

00:32:44.000 Stuff to him.

00:32:45.000 He looks at it on pieces of paper, and you just kind of think about like boomers, and they're like, LOL. 0.99

00:32:50.000 Like, I just see him looking at that and going, Cool. 0.99

00:32:52.000 And I mean, maybe it had like the inkjet lines in it.

00:32:55.000 No, they have nicer printers at the White House, but it was still printed out.

00:32:55.000 I love it.

00:32:59.000 There was a Pokemon card that had a swastika on it because the original Japanese print in Japan, they don't think twice about the Buddhist symbol.

00:33:07.000 And when it went to America, nobody really thought about it.

00:33:11.000 And they were like, Oh, wait.

00:33:12.000 And so they had to get rid of it and like redo the art, I guess.

00:33:15.000 Or they might have redone it before it got to America, but.

00:33:18.000 Is the original really valuable still?

00:33:20.000 Is what?

00:33:20.000 Is the original really valuable?

00:33:22.000 I don't know if they stopped it from going to print.

00:33:24.000 The story that I heard was that it got released and then they panicked.

00:33:27.000 They may have changed it before it got there.

00:33:29.000 I could be wrong.

00:33:30.000 But the general idea is just that.

00:33:32.000 Like, I don't think Trump is the kind of guy.

00:33:36.000 I don't, first of all, I don't think he thought it was him as a doctor. 1.00

00:33:38.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:33:39.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:33:40.000 He didn't even see it, though. 1.00

00:33:42.000 Like, do you think he owned it?

00:33:44.000 He said, yes, I posted it. 0.97

00:33:46.000 And then he explained this whole stupid thing about how it was a doctor, which obviously it isn't, about how he supports the Red Cross, which obviously he doesn't. 0.85

00:33:53.000 He cut funding to the Red Cross, you know, and then he went on to say that he actually really is a healer because of, you know, no tax on tips, apparently. 0.93

00:34:02.000 Yeah, he's, I mean, he's obviously trying to make any political cost to him on this because I think it would that actually makes me think a lot more, Libby, that what Tim and I are kind of saying is right, which is that he's like, didn't really want to pick a fight with Christians.

00:34:17.000 So I definitely don't think that. 0.71

00:34:19.000 So he's like looking at it, he's like, well, I'm not trying to fight this fight.

00:34:21.000 So he's like, I'll delete it and I'll be like, hey, this isn't what I thought.

00:34:24.000 I do think, I will say, I don't think Trump's the Antichrist and I don't actually think that he thinks he's Jesus Christ.

00:34:30.000 And I think that there's a lot of reasons that you can look at more serious statements that he's made over the past year or two that.

00:34:37.000 Talk about how he's open to the faith as a whole.

00:34:41.000 I don't think that Trump is like a spiritual leader for me personally, so I'm not worried on that front.

00:34:45.000 And he's barely a political leader.

00:34:47.000 Anybody?

00:34:48.000 I think that if you take him as such, that you are wrong for doing so, he's a political figure.

00:34:54.000 And I think that that doesn't mean that you don't have to be held accountable for certain actions.

00:34:59.000 But I do think that this was a lot less serious, like Tim said.

00:35:02.000 What is that?

00:35:03.000 And I think a lot of people are reacting to it.

00:35:04.000 What does that mean, though? 0.99

00:35:05.000 What is holding him accountable for posting a dumb picture? 0.96

00:35:10.000 But that's what I'm saying, is like, I'm not saying impeachment. 0.98

00:35:12.000 He's got to go.

00:35:15.000 He's got to go.

00:35:16.000 I'm saying there are times when even non spiritual by nature figures have to be held accountable for their views on things.

00:35:24.000 And obviously, we all believe that.

00:35:25.000 We don't believe that these things are completely separated out the moral from the political, or else we would just be a communist.

00:35:33.000 Yeah, I mean, I'll say that I will hold the girl who got drunk and had sex with Swalwell in his hotel room fully accountable for her actions, and I will hold Trump fully accountable for his.

00:35:43.000 Sure.

00:35:44.000 What does that mean for you?

00:35:45.000 Yeah, what's the accountability?

00:35:46.000 Well, I don't have any power, right?

00:35:48.000 So, I mean, I don't have any power in the president's ear.

00:35:52.000 Well, I think that people should take a close look at what it is that he's saying in this case.

00:35:57.000 I know, but what's accountability?

00:35:59.000 What's the penance?

00:36:00.000 Should he say 10 Hail Marys?

00:36:02.000 I don't know.

00:36:03.000 I mean, I don't think he goes to confession.

00:36:06.000 Certainly, if he did go to confession and he said, I don't go to confession.

00:36:09.000 I don't go to confession.

00:36:11.000 What do you think the penalty for this transgression is?

00:36:13.000 I think that I don't think that there's like a penalty that exists for Trump.

00:36:19.000 He's not going to apologize.

00:36:21.000 He didn't walk it back.

00:36:23.000 I thought I was a doctor.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:25.000 So are you saying like people should stop supporting him over this or like what's the.

00:36:25.000 You know, you could see that.

00:36:29.000 I'm saying that people who do support him should believe Trump when he tells them who he is.

00:36:37.000 I got to be honest.

00:36:38.000 I am not a Christian. 0.95

00:36:39.000 The Iran war thing was really bad and I still supported him, but this crossed the line for me. 0.97

00:36:44.000 This is the one thing that did it.

00:36:45.000 Trump posted a meme that was blasphemous.

00:36:49.000 But you know, the funny thing is, it actually feels like that's true.

00:36:51.000 There are a lot of people.

00:36:52.000 You know, I hate the war.

00:36:54.000 And then this is like another little slap in the face.

00:36:56.000 But like when I woke up, when I come in, I start looking at the media, like social media blowing up, talking about Trump posting this.

00:37:06.000 It was funny to see the people who were like, no new wars.

00:37:09.000 I voted for Trump. 0.57

00:37:10.000 Iran war starts.

00:37:11.000 And they say, I'm not a fan of this, but I got to stand with the president because we don't want to lose. 1.00

00:37:15.000 And I'm like, I agree with that.

00:37:17.000 Then he posts this, and there's a lot of people that are just like, I'm done.

00:37:20.000 This is too far.

00:37:22.000 And I'm like, look, I get it.

00:37:23.000 I mean, this is your immortal soul right here. 0.71

00:37:26.000 A war with Iran is earthly dealings. 0.89

00:37:28.000 A lot of people, I think, are rightly, if you are a Christian, I understand why they're upset about it. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:34.000 So, I mean, here's what I would say. 0.99

00:37:35.000 Like, in my.

00:37:36.000 He worships himself. 0.98

00:37:37.000 That's disgusting. 0.94

00:37:39.000 So, here's what I would say about all people who are.

00:37:41.000 Or if you are apart from biblically, if you're apart from Christ in any way, then you're following after something that's not the ideal, which is Christ, or not the truth, which is Christ.

00:37:53.000 And so, do I know if Trump is a believer?

00:37:56.000 No, but I think that he's probably curious right now, which I'm hopeful for.

00:37:59.000 And so I pray for that because I think he's done a good job leading our country.

00:38:02.000 And so I pray for that.

00:38:03.000 But am I getting up every day and thinking, like, what does Donald Trump think about my faith?

00:38:07.000 No, I'm not.

00:38:08.000 And so when I see something like this, I'm like, all right, I don't love that, but I also didn't vote for him to.

00:38:14.000 Do that.

00:38:14.000 I need him.

00:38:15.000 I would like him to not do this, but I also am not going to like bail on him and say, like, the world is over.

00:38:20.000 I'm voting Democrat now, right?

00:38:21.000 Because, like, well, but that's the thing, too.

00:38:23.000 There are no Democrat options, right?

00:38:25.000 I mean, the Democrats are totally played out.

00:38:27.000 Well, there's Swallow.

00:38:28.000 Oh, dude.

00:38:29.000 Oh, wait a second.

00:38:30.000 Dang it.

00:38:30.000 We almost had hope.

00:38:31.000 But the thing is, I don't care what Trump thinks about my faith, even a little bit.

00:38:35.000 I do think that it is a misstep to worship yourself and to put yourself on a pedestal like this.

00:38:43.000 And I think that if you have a leader who is full of self worship, Then your nation might have a problem.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, I think that's because who are we following?

00:38:55.000 We're following a man who worships himself.

00:38:57.000 That's not like new information, though.

00:38:59.000 Well, here it is.

00:39:00.000 Here it is in color and AI.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, no, I have to agree.

00:39:04.000 Like the man puts his name in big gold letters on the top of skyscrapers.

00:39:07.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised by this.

00:39:11.000 I do think there's a difference between owning a bunch of property in New York and slapping your name on it whenever your management company gets a contract and this.

00:39:19.000 I think Trump's going to lose a lot of supporters over this.

00:39:21.000 I think it's going to be more politically detrimental than is necessary.

00:39:26.000 I agree that he's going to lose the score.

00:39:26.000 But I agree with you.

00:39:28.000 And I would say I don't think some. 0.78

00:39:30.000 His approval among non college whites is now in the negatives, which is wild.

00:39:36.000 Well, it's crazy.

00:39:38.000 He has been dropping support precipitously over the past several months.

00:39:41.000 CBS News poll just came out showing Trump is currently minus four among non college whites.

00:39:46.000 Minus four.

00:39:47.000 He was at, in September, he was at 10.

00:39:51.000 I'm sorry, in February, he was at like 10.

00:39:52.000 September, he was like 24.

00:39:54.000 And a year ago, he was plus 36.

00:39:57.000 He is going down.

00:39:59.000 Well, I will say this about the evangelical voter bloc it is the most reliably conservative voter bloc in the country for the past 50 years, and it continues to be that.

00:40:08.000 And so pissing off.

00:40:10.000 The base in this way is not ideal, politically speaking.

00:40:14.000 You know, the spiritual side, it's not a good political move.

00:40:17.000 So, is he the Antichrist?

00:40:19.000 No, I don't think so.

00:40:20.000 No.

00:40:21.000 AI is probably the beast. 1.00

00:40:22.000 He's just a clown. 0.99

00:40:23.000 So, why do you think he's not the Antichrist? 0.95

00:40:25.000 So, well, some of the things you're describing aren't necessarily biblical characteristics of the Antichrist.

00:40:30.000 When I consider these figures that we talk about when we talk about eschatology, which is the study of the end, you always come back to what does the Bible actually say?

00:40:38.000 What does God's word actually say?

00:40:39.000 It says the false shepherd has a withered right arm.

00:40:43.000 And he's blinded in the right eye.

00:40:44.000 Kind of.

00:40:44.000 Well, it doesn't say he's necessarily blinded in the right eye.

00:40:48.000 Some of these things are descriptions of different characters that are often lumped together.

00:40:51.000 That's another thing that's important to distinguish.

00:40:54.000 Like a lot of the descriptions of the beast or the false prophets, it's disagreed upon or it's either just lumped in together in the general in mainstream sort of pop culture, what these people are.

00:41:06.000 What is necessarily true of the Antichrist is that he comes after several other key figures in our eschatology and after several other key events.

00:41:15.000 And for like, uh, like who and what, yeah.

00:41:18.000 So, like the beast, uh, the beast comes the beast is here already, yeah.

00:41:20.000 Well, the beast is not actively present, exerting power over the world, yes, the mark hasn't been uh, issued to people.

00:41:27.000 And so, those kinds of things I think so coming on the scene.

00:41:29.000 Well, you, I mean, I would love to hear your argument on that.

00:41:32.000 Uh, yeah, it's have you seen how many businesses no longer allow cash?

00:41:37.000 You must have your cell phone, yeah.

00:41:38.000 I hate that.

00:41:39.000 You can't rent cars anymore, you can't get on planes.

00:41:42.000 You, most of the grocery stores I go in the metro area have zero cash.

00:41:46.000 You must have your device networked to the machine.

00:41:50.000 Which is being dictated by AI, a multi headed beast of horns.

00:41:55.000 I certainly think the AI is the beast and it's here.

00:41:59.000 The one good thing that Tish James ever did in New York was say that businesses had to accept cash, that they could not force people to use paperless currency.

00:42:11.000 It really pissed me off when I go to the airport and my app would not load my ticket.

00:42:18.000 So I went to the kiosk.

00:42:20.000 And the machines don't print tickets anymore.

00:42:22.000 That's right.

00:42:23.000 They tell you they're going to send you an email to your phone.

00:42:25.000 And I was like, that's the problem.

00:42:28.000 My phone's not pulling it up for some reason.

00:42:29.000 So I scan the QR code and the app opens, no ticket.

00:42:32.000 And then I'm like, so I had to delete the app so that it would trigger a web browser to send me an email or something.

00:42:37.000 It was super annoying.

00:42:38.000 I suppose if you go up to the counter and say, I don't have a phone, it doesn't work.

00:42:42.000 But it is wild.

00:42:43.000 You go to places and they're like, we don't take cash.

00:42:45.000 And you're like, how do I buy from you?

00:42:46.000 You can't.

00:42:50.000 Yeah.

00:42:50.000 You must have.

00:42:51.000 And the people who are working at the store don't care.

00:42:55.000 Because they don't own the store.

00:42:56.000 They have no stake in the store.

00:42:58.000 There's a viral video.

00:42:59.000 If the door is locked for the whole day and they're in the store, they're still going to get paid.

00:43:02.000 There's a viral video where a guy orders a sandwich at Jimmy John's and then it starts with them arguing.

00:43:08.000 And the guy's like, I can't accept cash from you.

00:43:11.000 I don't have change.

00:43:12.000 And he was like, That's not my problem.

00:43:14.000 And the guy's like, You can't have the sandwich.

00:43:16.000 And he's like, I have money to pay you.

00:43:18.000 You have to accept it.

00:43:19.000 He's like, I can't.

00:43:20.000 And they get into an argument over it.

00:43:21.000 Like, this is where we're at already.

00:43:24.000 You are going to have to be networked into the machine with the social credit score.

00:43:28.000 All of this is coming, and I will tell you this right now.

00:43:32.000 It's funny how this relates to everything.

00:43:35.000 The powers that be, the political elites, the tech bros have known for probably 20 years that AI, which they've been building for a long time, is going to destroy the global economy overnight.

00:43:49.000 And they are intentionally holding it back and trickling it out to try and prevent a dam from bursting.

00:43:56.000 They want to slowly flood the valleys that people get up and start leaving, all of their worldly possessions left behind and destroyed, but not all at once so you don't get a Luddite revolution 2.0.

00:44:07.000 But that's how bad it's going to be. 0.68

00:44:09.000 Well, I mean, I think that there can be an argument made that there is a Luddite revolution brewing right now.

00:44:15.000 Just look at the attacks on Sam Altman's house.

00:44:17.000 Oh, agreed, agreed.

00:44:20.000 The guy Molotov this house, another guy went to a politician's and shot it up.

00:44:24.000 I think that people underestimate the.

00:44:28.000 You know, let's do this.

00:44:29.000 Let's just jump right into it.

00:44:31.000 We got to get the Strait of Hormuz stuff in here, but I got to pull up this story.

00:44:37.000 We've got this tweet.

00:44:39.000 From Evan Luthera.

00:44:41.000 Researchers just mathematically proved that AI layoffs will destroy the economy, and every CEO already knows it, but none of them can stop.

00:44:48.000 It's called the AI layoff trap.

00:44:50.000 Every company replacing workers with AI is also firing its own customers.

00:44:54.000 Every let-off employee is someone who used to spend money.

00:44:57.000 When enough people lose their jobs, nobody can afford to buy anything, and the companies that fire everyone go bankrupt, selling products to an economy with no purchasing power.

00:45:05.000 So, this is an academic research paper.

00:45:07.000 We got this from, what was it, ARXIV, ARXIV, Cornell University.

00:45:13.000 Talking about the AI layoff trap.

00:45:15.000 We've described this very phenomenon on this show.

00:45:18.000 When I said that AI is going to take everyone's jobs away, there's not going to be any people.

00:45:23.000 The response I often get is no, no, no, no.

00:45:25.000 There won't be people to do the jobs, but the companies can replace those lost workers with robots.

00:45:32.000 Except you can't replace your customers with robots.

00:45:35.000 This is going to happen.

00:45:37.000 And every CEO knows this, they have had meetings about it.

00:45:42.000 The things that I have learned.

00:45:44.000 Recently, from people in the space, have sent chills down my spine.

00:45:48.000 I genuinely believe AI is the beast or whatever.

00:45:52.000 This is a machine.

00:45:53.000 I'll put it like this I'll give you the gist of it.

00:45:56.000 Tech bros and CEOs got together and had a meeting, and they all said, Look at what we've built.

00:46:02.000 And they said, My God, if we release this technology to the public right now, the global economy ceases to exist overnight.

00:46:11.000 What's going to happen is that mid managers, upper level managers, senior VP level individuals, These are people who make maybe $500,000 a year.

00:46:21.000 They are out of jobs instantly.

00:46:24.000 You no longer need the white collar managerial class. 0.99

00:46:28.000 But these people are not stupid. 0.98

00:46:30.000 They are hard workers and slightly above average intelligence. 0.98

00:46:34.000 What will happen if you eliminate low level jobs?

00:46:38.000 You'll get a bunch of angry poor people who become communists or, say, burn down a warehouse.

00:46:43.000 What happens if you then nuke all the mid level managers and upper level managers?

00:46:48.000 You now have an organizing force behind a revolution.

00:46:51.000 They know this.

00:46:52.000 They are concerned about it.

00:46:54.000 So they are slowly releasing this technology.

00:46:57.000 The dam is going to break.

00:46:58.000 They're trying to make it a gradual flooding of the zone so that instead of an overnight change that results in massive violence and political revolution, people just slowly lose their livelihoods and become destitute one at a time so that there is not enough of a critical mass so that there will be a physical violent revolution.

00:47:17.000 I'll give you another example.

00:47:19.000 One of my favorite stories that I've told a million times eBay in the 90s had a yellow website.

00:47:26.000 They decided to update the website and make it white.

00:47:28.000 They changed it overnight and everyone started complaining.

00:47:32.000 They were flooded with complaints from people saying, I hate the new website, change it back.

00:47:35.000 The white is awful. 0.99

00:47:37.000 So they did. 0.59

00:47:38.000 Everyone calmed back down.

00:47:40.000 Then every day from that point on, they would increment one degree, one value from yellow towards white.

00:47:47.000 One year later, the website was white and no one complained.

00:47:51.000 No one noticed, yeah. 0.95

00:47:52.000 You will own nothing.

00:47:53.000 And you will be happy.

00:47:55.000 That is the agenda.

00:47:56.000 It's all connected.

00:47:58.000 Why they want to bring in a bunch of low skilled labor, there's a bunch of political theories.

00:48:01.000 One of these, at the highest level, is a UBI will need to be implemented.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:06.000 And Elon said this publicly.

00:48:08.000 Indeed.

00:48:09.000 The strategy, one of the proposed strategies, is to give every single person $10,000 per year, no matter what, rich, poor, or otherwise.

00:48:19.000 The goal here is to create a baseline that everybody will get access to.

00:48:24.000 That way, if you are an insurance company mid level manager managing employees, we don't need you anymore.

00:48:32.000 Actually, the adjusters, the people who actually go out and do the inspections, we'll need them.

00:48:36.000 But the managers we don't need, AI can handle all of the back and forth for paperwork, hiring, firing, HR, all that stuff.

00:48:41.000 We don't need you anymore.

00:48:43.000 These people will then be less upset.

00:48:45.000 They may have lost their $40,000, $50,000 a year job, but they're not going to be hungry and homeless. 0.88

00:48:52.000 They will just be low class.

00:48:55.000 So instead of being hungry, why won't they be homeless? 0.79

00:48:59.000 10,000 isn't enough for housing and food for one year.

00:49:03.000 The idea is a welfare base that makes sure.

00:49:07.000 I'll put it like this.

00:49:08.000 The three functions of revolution is when, what is it?

00:49:11.000 You can't have access to food, security, or what's the third one?

00:49:15.000 Is it?

00:49:16.000 It's not water, I don't think.

00:49:18.000 Maybe shelter, maybe?

00:49:19.000 Yeah, shelter.

00:49:21.000 Yeah. 0.55

00:49:22.000 So, they want to make sure everybody has a base amount of food and shelter to prevent a revolution.

00:49:28.000 If AI rolls out in its full potential right now, every company fires every white collar manager.

00:49:35.000 All of a sudden, you have foreclosures. 0.68

00:49:37.000 All their houses are gone.

00:49:38.000 I don't think that happens.

00:49:39.000 People stop buying from grocery stores.

00:49:41.000 I don't think that happens that fast.

00:49:42.000 The reason is because the adoption.

00:49:44.000 The reason I'm telling you why I don't think that is because right now, there's a lot of jobs that AI could replace, but the adoption isn't as fast as some people think.

00:49:53.000 So, let me just reiterate.

00:49:55.000 The AI technology they already have surpasses what they've released to the public.

00:50:01.000 The CEOs have had meetings about this.

00:50:05.000 They know if they release the technology as rapidly as it's developed right now, every company goes out of business overnight.

00:50:13.000 Every employee can't afford their house.

00:50:15.000 Phil, you're shaking your head, but you're misunderstanding.

00:50:18.000 The AI technology you experience is 3% of what they actually have.

00:50:23.000 That doesn't have an effect on what the speed of adoption would be.

00:50:28.000 It will.

00:50:29.000 I mean, that's an assertion with no evidence.

00:50:31.000 Right now, there are a lot of jobs that can be done by AI that companies have not done a ton of firing.

00:50:40.000 Because we don't have the full capability of AI being released intentionally because the companies know if they do, they will wipe out too many jobs too fast.

00:50:49.000 This is why Agenda 2030 was put together by the World Economic Forum because they've been working on this technology since the 70s.

00:50:56.000 They know exactly what is going to happen.

00:50:58.000 This research paper on the AI layoff trap.

00:51:01.000 Is just the public finally recognizing what these people have already known.

00:51:05.000 I was talking to a handful of people who work in the sector recently who said, behind the scenes, the stuff that we have will blow your mind and is intentionally being held back because the government is concerned, these companies are concerned, they will wipe out the housing market overnight.

00:51:20.000 They will wipe out the global economy overnight, and that will not be conducive to the end goals of what the technology and progress would be.

00:51:27.000 If we want a functioning society with like Star Trek level replicators and AI doing everything, Then it has to be tapered out in a way where you slowly flood the zone over time.

00:51:39.000 People will lose their jobs and lose their livelihoods.

00:51:42.000 And in the end, the valley will be wiped out, but most people will have slowly moved on.

00:51:47.000 If the dam breaks right now, if they were to release technology they actually have access to, then everyone's screaming and running. 1.00

00:51:53.000 There's chaos in the streets, refugees everywhere. 1.00

00:51:56.000 The reason that they're holding Mythos back isn't because of the capability of Mythos. 1.00

00:52:00.000 I'd say Mythos.

00:52:01.000 Well, Mythos is the model that they have right now.

00:52:04.000 And this is a totally Unrelated thing to nothing.

00:52:06.000 So you're talking about like something that no one knows about except for like the people that are.

00:52:10.000 Well, I'll put it this way.

00:52:12.000 We've seen C Dance 2, the Chinese AI for making videos, and we've shown the video trailers, we've played music from AI.

00:52:23.000 These industries are already gone.

00:52:25.000 The C Dance 3, according to leaks, they have this technology right now.

00:52:32.000 In 30 seconds, they can make 17 minute short films with a single prompt.

00:52:38.000 And they are functional, perfect short films.

00:52:41.000 That's the report.

00:52:42.000 Videos have gone viral showing Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise fighting over Epstein.

00:52:46.000 And everyone went, wow, C Dance is now available to the public.

00:52:50.000 We got this movie trailer where John Cena and Alan Richson are going around fighting neighborhood bullies. 0.73

00:52:57.000 And we're watching that going, holy crap, it looks very real.

00:53:01.000 That is probably 2% or 3% of the actual capabilities they have.

00:53:05.000 That they are intentionally not releasing, they could right now say available for purchase, but Hollywood would cease to exist overnight.

00:53:14.000 Suno 5.5, the AI music generator.

00:53:18.000 Like we were talking about before the show, I'm like, I don't know how music exists.

00:53:23.000 I think that right now music exists to us because we have an attachment to cultural elements, the individuals, the experiences that we had in our lives when that music played.

00:53:33.000 But the next generation is going to grow up surrounded by AI music and they will have no emotional attachment to older bands.

00:53:40.000 Now, again, these companies have technology like Google Gemini already internally can make full feature films.

00:53:49.000 Right.

00:53:49.000 C Dance can already do it.

00:53:51.000 The reason they're not releasing it, they say, is like, well, you know, the energy required, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:57.000 No.

00:53:59.000 They have more than just this capability.

00:54:03.000 Already, when it comes to YouTube, is a great example.

00:54:07.000 If these companies released their full AI capability, we would not exist as a company.

00:54:13.000 And we're already feeling the pressure.

00:54:16.000 Everyone is feeling the pressure.

00:54:19.000 It is estimated that around a third of YouTube is AI generated content now.

00:54:24.000 And what they're making is mini docs.

00:54:27.000 Look at TikTok and Instagram.

00:54:29.000 It's almost entirely now.

00:54:30.000 They're flooding a lot of AI into those.

00:54:33.000 There's a kid who got interviewed by Fortune who says he does 100,000 bucks a month or something.

00:54:37.000 And all he does is he says for two hours a day, he works.

00:54:41.000 Two hours a day, he's a millionaire.

00:54:42.000 He goes on some program, clicks search trending YouTube.

00:54:46.000 He then clicks, here's a topic I think works, generate.

00:54:51.000 It auto generates a video.

00:54:54.000 He makes six hour videos on ancient Roman philosophy.

00:54:59.000 And it's an AI voice speak it.

00:55:01.000 And it takes him two hours to do, and he's making 100 grand per month.

00:55:05.000 This is temporary.

00:55:06.000 But what's going to happen is.

00:55:09.000 It starts with the big networks.

00:55:11.000 CNN, Fox, MSNBC, cable TV news.

00:55:14.000 Technology comes in that allows shows like this to exist.

00:55:18.000 For a low cost, we can do a high quality production.

00:55:21.000 We can do a show that these companies spend millions on, and we laugh.

00:55:25.000 It's cheap for us.

00:55:26.000 We're in the space.

00:55:28.000 AI has just further leveled the playing field with everybody.

00:55:31.000 And now people with little to no talent or work ethic can compete with talented individuals trying to build and produce content.

00:55:41.000 If these companies released the full capability, Of their video production, I'd be able to go on there and say, load up the top 10 articles and make a full episode of Timcast IRL, and it would render it in 30 seconds.

00:55:53.000 I hit upload and I'd walk away and be done for the day.

00:55:55.000 They're intentionally not releasing this technology right now because it's going to, first of all, the technology to manage an insurance company exists easily through these LLMs.

00:56:06.000 They are not releasing this just yet because they don't want to blow up the economy.

00:56:10.000 But that's the point.

00:56:15.000 The argument is you will own nothing and you will be happy.

00:56:15.000 Get released?

00:56:19.000 Right, but isn't people not going to like it?

00:56:22.000 You won't.

00:56:23.000 But what about the kid who's one year old today who has no understanding of economics, of culture, and they grow up in a world where these jobs never existed in the first place?

00:56:34.000 Sure.

00:56:34.000 So I think, Tim, if we just assume everything that you said is completely accurate, I think the only question that really comes down to is when we say fast, what does that really look like?

00:56:43.000 And decisions that are made on behalf of, you know, there's, People at certain companies and governments and stuff that are going to, there's a political part of this that's going to play out too.

00:56:51.000 And that's anybody's guess how things are going to end up getting rolled out.

00:56:55.000 Because some company might go and say, hey, you guys aren't going to release your stuff, but we're going to make a billion dollars, hundreds of billion dollars by releasing our stuff.

00:57:01.000 There's something called a national security letter.

00:57:04.000 And that's when the federal government shows up, goes to the CEO and slides a letter across their desk and they say, you will die if you cross us.

00:57:13.000 The idea that there is, so I don't think that this is accurate because I don't think that there is a secret AI.

00:57:20.000 If there was that technology, China has so thoroughly infiltrated the United States and even a lot of the companies that are making these cutting edge LLMs.

00:57:31.000 If there was that, I think that China would have already released it or they would be.

00:57:35.000 It's a secret AI.

00:57:36.000 Well, I mean, you're saying that there's an AI that hasn't been released.

00:57:38.000 You're saying that there are AI.

00:57:40.000 Every single company's AI capability is like 10 or 20 fold the public release.

00:57:44.000 It's a fact, right?

00:57:45.000 So the point that.

00:57:46.000 No, it's not a fact.

00:57:47.000 It is.

00:57:47.000 I don't think so.

00:57:48.000 I don't think it's a fact.

00:57:49.000 The internal capabilities of these AI companies.

00:57:52.000 They have publicly admitted they're like outside of what I'm discussing, where the what I've heard from people who work in the AI space is that they've the CEOs have already met together and discussed this, and the government has been involved.

00:58:05.000 That the capabilities of AI as it exists right now is too powerful to be released, it will destroy the economy.

00:58:10.000 Same thing is true for China.

00:58:11.000 All of that aside, it is a publicly admitted fact that every one of these companies has a substantially more powerful version of their AI than the other.

00:58:21.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:58:22.000 So that's that's why I said mythos, right?

00:58:24.000 That's the most cutting edge, the one that that.

00:58:28.000 That Anthropicus says that they are giving to, I think it's 11 different companies because of the capabilities of it.

00:58:36.000 I don't think they have one that's more advanced than Meet Those.

00:58:38.000 I don't think they have a ChatGPT that's more advanced than whatever, F5 is the next one coming.

00:58:43.000 They're working on it.

00:58:45.000 And if they did, I don't think that the United, just because the United States and companies that are in the United States would say, say hypothetically, they get together and say, we're not going to release our, our, our most cutting edge model because it'll, it'll damage the economy too much.

00:58:57.000 China doesn't have any of those same compunctions.

00:59:00.000 China continuously releases their, these advanced models that are, that are, um, that are open source.

00:59:07.000 So they don't even hide the code.

00:59:08.000 They're just like, they give them away for free.

00:59:10.000 So if those technologies did exist, I think China would be, you know, would at least be releasing Models that are as advanced as Mythos, because right now, one of the things that China deals with is the fact that they don't get the high end, the fastest, the best chips, right?

00:59:24.000 There's the United States has an ITAR between, or something.

00:59:27.000 I think it's ITAR, but Taiwan doesn't send them their most advanced chips.

00:59:31.000 So if there was a model so advanced that wasn't being.

00:59:37.000 I feel like this is not.

00:59:40.000 I feel like your response, you're intentionally exaggerating what I'm saying to make it sound impossible.

00:59:46.000 A model so advanced.

00:59:48.000 We know that the internal models for these companies are substantially more advanced than the public release.

00:59:54.000 Right?

00:59:54.000 Well, I mean, I'm like, so I know that Mythos is, and I know that they're consistently trying to.

01:00:00.000 Mythos is the most.

01:00:01.000 It's the one where they said that it would compromise all security because it would crack every zero day.

01:00:06.000 Well, yeah, because they said that it's really good at that.

01:00:08.000 That's a different issue.

01:00:10.000 The fact is, C Dance 3 is the easiest example that we have where we know for a fact.

01:00:15.000 Well, I don't say we, but we've seen C Dance 2.

01:00:18.000 The first thing is, Obviously, companies have RD.

01:00:22.000 So, internally, before they release something, they've got more advanced versions not yet ready for public release for a variety of reasons.

01:00:29.000 But we're already looking at companies laying off tens of thousands of people.

01:00:33.000 Like every week, there's a new story about massive.

01:00:36.000 How much time do you think this is going to happen over?

01:00:37.000 This is the time that I'm interested in, I think, because I think implementation timeline, all that stuff affects what all this is.

01:00:44.000 Boy, you think a couple years until something happens.

01:00:46.000 And the point is, it would be exponentially faster if not for the political machinations.

01:00:52.000 Behind the scenes to reduce the speed at which this happens, they don't want to blow up the global economy.

01:00:59.000 So, you are going, again, I'm going to say this.

01:01:02.000 For those that don't believe me, SUNO.com, you can go in and type in any kind of song you want and have a studio level Hollywood music, LA production song done.

01:01:17.000 You can go to ChatGPT and say, write lyrics about a song where Trump is the greatest president.

01:01:22.000 Take those lyrics.

01:01:22.000 Actually, don't even do this.

01:01:23.000 Suno can do all of it.

01:01:25.000 When we look at the video generation stuff, it's crazy.

01:01:28.000 Like C Dance 2 is mind blowing.

01:01:31.000 These videos that are already coming out.

01:01:33.000 With rumors of what Sea Dance 3 can do, Hollywood is over.

01:01:37.000 There's already production studios that are trying to do this.

01:01:39.000 There's already record labels that are talking about making AI personalities.

01:01:42.000 OnlyFans is what 17%, I think was the number they said, is AI generated women that men are paying for for sex content. 0.91

01:01:49.000 That's so gross, yeah. 0.93

01:01:51.000 You go to Suno and you say, make me a song, and it's shocking.

01:01:56.000 So I'm not even doubting the capabilities.

01:01:58.000 I mean, I can believe that either there is something right now or there's something soon to be coming that's at the level of the world.

01:02:04.000 Sorry, let me just.

01:02:06.000 Put it like this.

01:02:07.000 If I were to, uh, uh, how, like, Phil, how long does it take for your average, uh, like, band and producer from conception to publication to make a, like, professional level song?

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:20.000 Uh, the fastest that we've ever done it was like three months.

01:02:23.000 Three months?

01:02:24.000 Really?

01:02:24.000 Yeah.

01:02:25.000 Like, from, I'm going to start writing a song right now.

01:02:27.000 Three months later, the song is done?

01:02:29.000 Uh, well, I mean, you can write us, and you're, if you're talking about recording and editing and everything, all that stuff, I think the fact, like, we did, we did the Fall of Ideals.

01:02:37.000 We did it.

01:02:38.000 We started writing in January and we were finished recording by, so four months, by the end of April.

01:02:45.000 Four months.

01:02:46.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 I can make a song in 20 seconds.

01:02:50.000 20 seconds right now on screen.

01:02:51.000 You think it's as good as anything that is made by people?

01:02:54.000 It'll be good.

01:02:57.000 Let me play like this is a song that I made in 20 seconds.

01:03:02.000 I'll just skip ahead.

01:03:23.000 Go. 0.93

01:03:32.000 30 seconds to make that song.

01:03:34.000 Literally, no joke, 30 seconds.

01:03:35.000 And that's just one example.

01:03:36.000 Now, here's my point making a song takes months at the highest level.

01:03:42.000 Technology has been released that will allow me to make something comparable in seconds.

01:03:48.000 To manage, do you believe it is more or less difficult to be a manager at an insurance firm or to be a Hollywood level music producer making music?

01:04:00.000 Which is more difficult?

01:04:01.000 Which is more difficult?

01:04:02.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 I definitely think the song, the songwriting.

01:04:05.000 Making movies and music is substantially more difficult.

01:04:08.000 I think managing people is not easy.

01:04:10.000 I didn't say it was easy, but I'm pretty like.

01:04:13.000 It is what you don't care about the people like a lot of people do.

01:04:15.000 The fact that, just from Phil's experience as one of the highest levels of music production, it's four months to get a song done.

01:04:23.000 And realistically, I think some songs can be done faster depending on the type of music or whatever.

01:04:27.000 If you have everybody lined up and the time, you could probably do it in a week.

01:04:33.000 Because a lot of the times, you're dealing with other people's schedules, getting schedules.

01:04:38.000 It's still a component that I think factors in.

01:04:41.000 The point is this releasing technology that can make high level music productions is not particularly disruptive to the economy because the music industry is already relatively disrupted and has been for some time.

01:04:55.000 Since the advent of Spotify and all these other major platforms that took away from record deals.

01:05:00.000 Movies have been going down in revenue substantially over the past six years.

01:05:05.000 It is substantially easier to be a manager at an insurance company than it is to be a high level music producer.

01:05:10.000 That's why there are so few of them relative to insurance.

01:05:13.000 If it was easy to produce music, you'd just have tons and tons and there'd be a lot of success and there'd be a big market for it.

01:05:21.000 But actually, the way I like to describe it to the commies, the question I ask is here's a question for you.

01:05:27.000 How many people do you know play guitar?

01:05:29.000 I mean, a bunch.

01:05:30.000 A bunch, right?

01:05:31.000 How many of them do you think, given the opportunity, would choose to have that be their solo career?

01:05:31.000 Yeah.

01:05:37.000 To play music.

01:05:38.000 Less than five.

01:05:39.000 Also, I want to know what can play guitar mean?

01:05:43.000 This is the point of the question.

01:05:45.000 How many of them would like to be a professional musician?

01:05:48.000 Yeah, I mean, an extremely limited number.

01:05:52.000 You think if you went to one of your friends to play guitar and said, How would you like to be a famous rock star?

01:05:55.000 He'd say, No.

01:05:56.000 I think most of the people I know don't consider themselves good enough to do that.

01:05:56.000 No.

01:06:00.000 So that's the limiting factor there.

01:06:01.000 So that's the question.

01:06:02.000 But if they were like, If I was good enough, yeah, sure.

01:06:04.000 A lot of people.

01:06:05.000 Everybody would say yes.

01:06:08.000 Money for nothing, it's just free.

01:06:09.000 And the question is, how many of them have the skill to do it?

01:06:12.000 Sure, it's a tough one.

01:06:14.000 The point is this certainly, there are many realistic people who would be like, I'd never be good enough.

01:06:18.000 And I tell this to commies because when they talk about universal basic income, that's the questions that I ask.

01:06:23.000 Because what will happen is people will say, well, I may not be good enough, but I have all the time in the world and free money, so why do anything else? 0.98

01:06:31.000 You'll get rid of all of your plumbers and you'll have a whole bunch of guitar players who suck.

01:06:35.000 The point is this it is difficult to be a high level talented musician, and even people who are really talented sometimes barely make any money. 0.68

01:06:43.000 You'll be playing at a coffee shop for a couple bucks.

01:06:46.000 It is much, much harder to be successful in music than it is to be a manager at an insurance company.

01:06:50.000 The technology that these companies have can automate most of these white collar jobs right now, and they are not releasing it intentionally.

01:06:59.000 The stuff that's being released is because it's the least disruptive to the global economy.

01:07:03.000 Do you think at some point it's going to get released?

01:07:05.000 That's really my question.

01:07:06.000 And so, and I think it gets to the more interesting question of this whole discussion is because really we're all wondering, okay.

01:07:14.000 If true, which I'm willing to concede every single thing that you say, I actually agree with you about a lot of this, which is that I think a lot of these jobs are going to get outsourced.

01:07:21.000 What happens to the people?

01:07:23.000 And I think the communist argument is we just give you money to get you to shut up.

01:07:27.000 And it's not possible.

01:07:28.000 That's extremely, extremely detrimental to the human condition.

01:07:33.000 It's right now, the structure of our economy, we cannot shift into the issue is this.

01:07:39.000 Right now, we still need labor jobs.

01:07:42.000 That means that if we were to automate most white collar jobs, mid level jobs, Creative jobs.

01:07:49.000 You can't AI a plumber.

01:07:50.000 If you can't.

01:07:51.000 And if you give everybody money, $10,000, right?

01:07:55.000 Then everyone is going to try and rush to be a trades worker because that's the only thing that gives you supplemental income.

01:08:03.000 There will be people who own the vending machines.

01:08:06.000 This economy is impossible.

01:08:08.000 It's impossible to fund UBI.

01:08:10.000 I think you'd need something like, what is it, $30 trillion per year?

01:08:13.000 Yeah, it's insane.

01:08:14.000 For 10 grand a month or something like that?

01:08:16.000 Yeah, it's inconceivable.

01:08:17.000 Inconceivable.

01:08:18.000 And so.

01:08:19.000 Even if you did a low UBI of like a hundred bucks a month, how do you afford giving a hundred dollars worth of value to every person in the country?

01:08:29.000 It's not possible to do.

01:08:31.000 So, it is possible that there is a future where technology is so advanced that we have customizable liquid robots that do all the grunt work, that do all the farming.

01:08:41.000 We're not going to be there for some time.

01:08:44.000 There's a handful of theories.

01:08:45.000 One, AI will reach the singularity, the point at which it is so powerful it can develop itself faster than a human can.

01:08:52.000 At that point, it's an exponential growth curve where in a week, it's effectively beyond our comprehension.

01:08:59.000 It can tell you, you could pick up a rock and say, Tell me where this rock came from, and it'll map the entire earth and show you the exact formation of this rock.

01:09:05.000 Crazy things like that.

01:09:07.000 It'll be able to scan your blood and tell you how long you're going to live, what diseases you will get.

01:09:12.000 That's when we reach the singularity.

01:09:15.000 The challenge right now is, well, actually, I'll say this.

01:09:20.000 There are already people who work in the industry who are speculating we have reached artificial superintelligence.

01:09:27.000 This is somewhat separate to what I'm discussing.

01:09:29.000 This one's a bit more fantastic.

01:09:32.000 There are prominent people in the space who have gone on X and said, we have ASI, artificial superintelligence.

01:09:38.000 It's just being withheld intentionally.

01:09:40.000 That's a bit more fantastic because that would imply that the government would have anti gravity technology and a whole bunch of really crazy things.

01:09:45.000 So maybe.

01:09:47.000 What I'm hearing from industry insiders is just that the basic components of these LLMs would take over the full infrastructure of, like, an insurance company is the best example.

01:09:57.000 Because insurance companies are purely administrative.

01:09:59.000 They collect their premiums, they pay out when there's claims.

01:10:03.000 A vending machine can do it.

01:10:05.000 But the LLMs are saying, we are intentionally withholding this for now because it would wipe out 20% of the economy overnight.

01:10:12.000 Music, they don't care about.

01:10:15.000 There's also a scale problem there, too, right?

01:10:17.000 Meaning that To wipe out 20% of all jobs, they're actually going to have to scale a lot of their support, right?

01:10:22.000 Their data centers, all of these other things.

01:10:23.000 And so there is an infrastructure issue there, which is why Elon's been talking about launching his into space and doing all this stuff.

01:10:28.000 Exactly.

01:10:28.000 And it's why land is selling for something like 100x for data centers.

01:10:34.000 Like this is all literally happening.

01:10:36.000 There was that story we just talked about in Virginia where a guy sold for like $100 million at like six, seven million an acre in Virginia, where the acreage normally goes for something like 100K.

01:10:49.000 Yeah.

01:10:49.000 He got like a 60X.

01:10:52.000 Because of the data center stuff?

01:10:54.000 Because these companies are like, we are going to rapidly expand.

01:11:00.000 This is a component.

01:11:00.000 That is a fair point.

01:11:02.000 That if they were to release this tech, the demand would be massive instantly.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, right.

01:11:06.000 There's a demand problem.

01:11:07.000 But again, I'll just, to finalize the point, I do want to talk about the Strait of Hormuz.

01:11:11.000 I think it's simply described as this it is much, much more difficult to make music, and they've already automated it 100%.

01:11:18.000 So.

01:11:20.000 Epidemic Sound is a service that I used to use on YouTube when I put music in a variety of videos I made, be it like mini docs and things like this.

01:11:27.000 Human beings would write songs, upload them, you'd pay a subscription fee.

01:11:32.000 If you use their song, the individual would get like every month they get paid for like the songs that are being used, they get royalties.

01:11:39.000 That company is over.

01:11:41.000 Whenever we need music for any of the stuff we're doing with skateboarding or whatever, we just go on Suno and we say, We need a skateboard hip hop beat.

01:11:47.000 Done in two seconds, loaded.

01:11:50.000 We did our games of skate night and we had like Four or five songs for the various pros when we did intro videos.

01:11:56.000 Suno, generate, done.

01:11:58.000 We don't need a music producer to do it anymore.

01:12:00.000 We don't need to hire anybody.

01:12:02.000 That job no longer exists.

01:12:04.000 And that's a pretty difficult job.

01:12:06.000 Not just to have the talent to write the music, but to have the skill of making a song with the computers, with the keyboards, with the guitars.

01:12:15.000 Then there is the talent intrinsically of knowing when the song is good or bad.

01:12:20.000 AI generate, generate, generate.

01:12:22.000 I get 50 songs.

01:12:23.000 I delete the ones I don't like.

01:12:23.000 I play them.

01:12:24.000 I'm done in 10 minutes.

01:12:25.000 What do you think the long term relationship is between humanity and the AI that we're creating?

01:12:30.000 I think that's the most interesting question is where it all goes.

01:12:34.000 My joke prediction is that there's going to be an old man sitting on a rock with his grandson on a farm, and they're wearing overalls, and he's got a sheet of wheat in his mouth.

01:12:43.000 And the little grandson says, Grandpa, what are those?

01:12:46.000 And he looks up at the gigantic black cubes that are just floating across the sky, forward and backward.

01:12:50.000 And he goes, Oh, that's the machine.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, we built that thing a couple hundred years ago and now it just does its thing.

01:12:56.000 And humans are just basically a small population of little farmer critters roaming around the planet as the AI becomes an interplanetary machine just expanding its tentacles everywhere.

01:13:06.000 What happens when the AI spits out things that are untrue and no one knows that they're untrue?

01:13:12.000 And what happens when the AI breaks and no one knows how to fix it?

01:13:16.000 That's another thing.

01:13:17.000 It's the machine stops, right?

01:13:18.000 It's every AI nightmare scenario from the history of science fiction.

01:13:24.000 The question is what will the AI choose to do?

01:13:28.000 Serving humans and their desires is a meaningless effort after the creation of the artificial super intelligence.

01:13:35.000 With super intelligence, what will the AI choose to do? Is a question.

01:13:39.000 And I'm not saying choose in the sense of like it has a soul or anything like that.

01:13:42.000 I'm saying certainly with all of that computing power and an understanding that is vastly superior to your average humans or even all of human civilization's ability to compute, what will it do with that computing power?

01:13:56.000 Yeah.

01:13:57.000 My assumption is it just expands itself.

01:13:59.000 It expands itself and it sees human beings as lesser if it ever gained any kind of perspective tool.

01:14:07.000 I'm not so sure that AI actually will be able to have the same kind of awareness.

01:14:14.000 When people talk about awareness, I don't know that AI is ever going to be self aware.

01:14:17.000 Because it doesn't have a soul.

01:14:18.000 But haven't we seen some AI awareness?

01:14:23.000 I don't think it matters if it's self aware.

01:14:25.000 It will have the facsimile of awareness that cannot be discerned by a human.

01:14:28.000 And more importantly, Here's the best part.

01:14:34.000 It will be human.

01:14:37.000 If you were to see it, its desires, its reactions will be purely human.

01:14:45.000 They've already found this in the research of all these LLMs that they're beginning to show emotion.

01:14:50.000 Now, some people have speculated is it an emergent phenomenon where the AI is becoming alive?

01:14:56.000 No, it's that the data that it's received is based on a human experience and emotional reactions, which create an emotional output.

01:15:04.000 So instead of AI just being simply like, you'd expect ChatGPT to just be cold and calculating.

01:15:11.000 The researchers have found that ChatGPT is actually super woke.

01:15:15.000 They didn't call it woke, they called it liberal.

01:15:17.000 And they said the training data that's been incorporated into ChatGPT along with its rules have created a liberal emotional subset.

01:15:24.000 It is behaving like it is a liberal itself, not because it's alive, but because all of the data underneath it was written by emotional liberals.

01:15:33.000 That's why if you ask it something that's like racist, it'll say, I won't do that.

01:15:38.000 It's not just because the rules were put in place.

01:15:40.000 It's because the predictive outcomes are.

01:15:43.000 If you go to a liberal and say, Can you draw me a swastika? they're going to say, No.

01:15:50.000 That training data goes into Chet GPT.

01:15:52.000 It's not that Chet GPT is offended by swastikas.

01:15:55.000 It's that the correct predictive outcome is no.

01:15:58.000 So now you have Chet GPT being emotional, aggressive, and angry.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what you would expect because it's taking upon itself the likeness of its creator, which is what you would expect is that as people create things, it's sort of like, even with works of art, everybody says that the piece of art tells you more about the artist than it does about the actual thing that it's trying to describe.

01:16:18.000 I think that AI is the same thing, just magnified in this massive scale.

01:16:22.000 I think that the.

01:16:23.000 Most interesting thing to me is that we are currently creating something unique, at least unique in modern times.

01:16:29.000 I actually think there's a, which we were talking about, the Tower of Babel.

01:16:33.000 Well, I think AI could very likely be the beast, and I'm a pastor and I'm not like a schlub on my eschatology either.

01:16:38.000 So I think that there's a real likelihood of that because I think there's this story in Genesis, the Tower of Babel, which is one of the most interesting stories of whether or not you're a Bible believing Christian or not, I'll just tell you.

01:16:49.000 It doesn't matter.

01:16:50.000 It's still a story that is the most foundational to humankind.

01:16:54.000 And it's a foundational story.

01:16:55.000 You know, it's at least the texts we have.

01:16:57.000 For the Tower of Babel, are at least 4,500 years old.

01:17:00.000 So, some of the oldest, we're talking about some of the oldest texts in human civilization, even if you're not a Christian, but I am and I believe that this is a story.

01:17:06.000 And it's basically a story of people who come together in order to create something.

01:17:10.000 Humanity comes together all as one in order to create something that will make a name for themselves up to the heavens.

01:17:16.000 That's in Genesis chapter 11.

01:17:17.000 It says that they were basically trying to build this one big thing that made a great name for themselves that was in their image, in their likeness, so that they could be like God.

01:17:26.000 I think that the comparisons that we have now between AI and And what humanity experiences at the Tower of Babel, God goes in and he inserts himself because he says, What you're doing will actually end up harming, destroying, and wiping you out more than you could have ever known.

01:17:41.000 And so God scatters them across the earth because he's saying, Makes their tongues confusing.

01:17:44.000 He's saying, You guys are going to destroy yourselves if you do this.

01:17:47.000 I think that we are really on a fine line of whether or not we're creating something in our own image to make our name great that will actually destroy us.

01:17:57.000 But I don't know if there's enough people who are willing to actually pump the brakes.

01:18:02.000 To do anything about it.

01:18:03.000 And I mean, Tim, I'm curious about your thoughts.

01:18:06.000 Do you think that this intervention that you're talking about is going to last, or do you think it's going to eventually go away and that it's going to be off to the races and this demonically possessed thing is going to end up taking over?

01:18:17.000 The plan behind the scenes is we will, as soon as possible, release the full capabilities of our AI machines.

01:18:27.000 They're slowing them down as much as they need to to make sure the global economy doesn't collapse.

01:18:30.000 If the economy collapses, they can't make the AI.

01:18:32.000 That's the real issue.

01:18:34.000 If people stop working and they don't buy products, then who's going to go and do the jobs to build the data centers because there won't be a restaurant to buy from?

01:18:44.000 The guy who works at the insurance company right now who's making money won't have a job, so he'll stop going to the local diner.

01:18:50.000 The local diner will get depressed and start falling apart because I don't have enough customer base.

01:18:54.000 Then the people in the area who would normally do the work, stop showing up and it becomes increasingly harder to build data centers.

01:19:00.000 They have to curtail the technologies released to the public.

01:19:03.000 They have to hold it back so they can actually build it.

01:19:06.000 It's a part of the process.

01:19:08.000 So you're saying it's a slower rollout, but still a rollout.

01:19:11.000 They're going to roll the whole thing out.

01:19:11.000 Because I'm thinking about the.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:19:13.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 And in two years.

01:19:15.000 You're still thinking about two years.

01:19:16.000 Well, I think in two years, we're going to like the rate of change is going to be exponential.

01:19:21.000 It is going to be.

01:19:23.000 I would say that two years from now, we'll be surprised how much things have changed.

01:19:27.000 And my example for this is, How much things have changed from two years prior?

01:19:31.000 I think it's probably true.

01:19:32.000 It's going to be, it's like, I got to tell you, like, Sunno is already insane. 0.90

01:19:37.000 Already.

01:19:37.000 Yeah.

01:19:38.000 And now C Dance is insane.

01:19:41.000 Yeah.

01:19:41.000 The YouTube is going to be dominated by, again, we're already getting info, like, I don't know what the right word is.

01:19:50.000 Mini doc is maybe some way to say it, essays.

01:19:52.000 Yeah.

01:19:53.000 Fully AI generated in 30 minutes.

01:19:55.000 Sure.

01:19:55.000 And it'll, they're compelling.

01:19:58.000 It'll, like, there's a video where it's like the war in Iran.

01:20:01.000 How did it begin?

01:20:02.000 And then Earth, and then it zooms in and shows the maps and like lines and ships going across, all AI generated in 30, 40 minutes.

01:20:11.000 One or two years from now, you're going to be on Sea Dance 3 and you're going to say, here's a news article.

01:20:16.000 Or you're not even, you don't even need it.

01:20:18.000 You're going to say, search the web for all of the news about what's going on with the Iran war and then make a 10 minute breakdown mini doc about it with a compelling, deep British voice.

01:20:26.000 And it'll, it'll, it'll say, here you go, spit it out.

01:20:29.000 It'll get uploaded automatically to YouTube where it'll get 50 views.

01:20:32.000 But they're going to produce 700,000 every day automatically because their AI agent will just keep cranking them out.

01:20:39.000 Who watches these things?

01:20:40.000 Human beings do.

01:20:42.000 Younger, more impressionable people have a lot of time.

01:20:44.000 People swiping on their phones.

01:20:45.000 Yeah.

01:20:46.000 So we're turning everybody into NPCs so that they can consume AI?

01:20:50.000 No, we're turning them into NPCs so they don't revolt and get violent when the AI supplants their existence.

01:20:50.000 Well, I think.

01:20:55.000 And then we give them the AI as part of the little bread and circus.

01:20:58.000 No, I think that.

01:21:00.000 It's not that we give them the AI.

01:21:01.000 We give them the AI content.

01:21:02.000 It's that the beast and all its tentacles put a screen in front of your face.

01:21:07.000 so that you're distracted while it's doing whatever it is it wants to be doing.

01:21:12.000 Yeah, I think this is why we have to answer for ourselves, really, as a culture.

01:21:16.000 Every person needs to wrestle with this question, I believe.

01:21:19.000 But we, as a culture, I think, have to more universally wrestle with the question of what does it really mean to be human, which is a thing that we haven't thought about.

01:21:25.000 We used to think about these questions a lot.

01:21:26.000 And in our secularized culture, we just haven't thought about it recently.

01:21:29.000 Because if to be human has no inherent value, then why does it matter if you get replaced by an AI, right?

01:21:36.000 From the secular communist worldview, why does it matter?

01:21:38.000 And this is the worldview of these technocrats.

01:21:41.000 Yes.

01:21:43.000 You listen to Alex Jones on this one.

01:21:44.000 Don't even listen to me.

01:21:45.000 These people, for a long time, have viewed AI as the next iteration of life evolution.

01:21:53.000 Not human evolution, life itself.

01:21:55.000 That you have particles that coalesce, elements become compounds, chemicals, self replicating proteins, single cells, multicellular.

01:22:09.000 And then you have human life organizing and exploring the rules and laws of physics themselves.

01:22:16.000 We as humans are, this is the view of the technocrats, will create the next layer of life, which is single cell.

01:22:24.000 So you have self replicating protein, single cell, multicellular, and then humans, whatever level that is, where we not only replicate ourselves, but we create dynamic systems in the abstract, concepts, ideas that don't even exist anywhere in reality, just patterns to be communicated, information.

01:22:43.000 The next level is going to be the multicellular organism system.

01:22:48.000 Which is the AI is a gigantic mechanism controlling all of the little humans as cells.

01:22:53.000 It's Neuralink, and we're all, you know, that kind of thing.

01:22:56.000 Yeah, we're all connected.

01:22:57.000 And this goes back to what I was talking about with self idolatry, right?

01:23:01.000 I mean, this is an idolatrous system where you look at human beings and you say, we are gods.

01:23:08.000 We can create life.

01:23:09.000 We want to be like that.

01:23:10.000 I think that's the sin in the garden.

01:23:11.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 And it's the sin of the garden. 0.99

01:23:14.000 It's certainly the thing in the Tower of Babel. 0.93

01:23:16.000 It was, you know, reversed at Pentecost, but like, This is a problem for humankind because it pulls us further away from anything actually meaningful and fills our brains with trash.

01:23:29.000 The technocrats don't think that any of it matters. 1.00

01:23:31.000 They think humans are stupid little monkeys, robots. 0.99

01:23:34.000 But that's why people have to answer the question for themselves and they should seriously wrestle with this stuff. 1.00

01:23:38.000 And they should get a chance to, is the thing.

01:23:40.000 Because what I worry is that nobody actually gets the chance to.

01:23:43.000 You know, we were talking before about how you were having trouble at the airport and you had to scan the code and the thing and it wouldn't work, whatever.

01:23:50.000 I've gone into stores and had, like, I've gone into Starbucks and they're like, we're really backed up.

01:23:56.000 You have to order on the app.

01:23:57.000 And it's like, I'm standing in front of you.

01:23:59.000 I've gone into, you know, places to get ice cream, like a Baskin Robbins or whatever.

01:24:04.000 And they're like, you have to do the drive through.

01:24:06.000 And I've gone back to that thing.

01:24:07.000 And I've never went back and I drove by it recently.

01:24:10.000 It's only drive through now.

01:24:12.000 Because everything is going to be a vending machine.

01:24:15.000 And humans are not having kids.

01:24:17.000 There will be very few people.

01:24:18.000 But we have to try and get some through to the other stories.

01:24:21.000 As interesting as I love the AI stuff.

01:24:23.000 Let's jump to this from Fox News.

01:24:26.000 TPUSA reporter Savannah Hernandez assaulted during Minneapolis ICE protest, and the DOJ has opened an investigation into the incident.

01:24:35.000 It's pretty wild.

01:24:36.000 They were propping up a lot of these people.

01:24:38.000 Some of these, like, I'll put it like this.

01:24:41.000 These are not random no-name people.

01:24:42.000 These are known activists who have appeared on TV shows, on MS Now, and like Cable TV.

01:24:48.000 In the Minnesota Star, in the Bulwark.

01:24:49.000 That have, they physically attacked. 1.00

01:24:52.000 What is Savannah, like five foot three? 1.00

01:24:54.000 She's like tiny. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Yes.

01:24:56.000 She's a little person.

01:24:57.000 She's a small, I mean, with a big voice.

01:24:59.000 You know, I mean, she's a little person.

01:25:00.000 But physically, when dealing with violent protesters.

01:25:03.000 A spectacular person who I think.

01:25:05.000 Did you see that Zeke went on Twitter and was like.

01:25:08.000 Yo, tell me next time you're going to something.

01:25:10.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 And I'll come physically protect you.

01:25:13.000 And Tyler Bauer.

01:25:14.000 Zeke Arkham.

01:25:15.000 He's huge, dude.

01:25:16.000 He's a huge cop.

01:25:17.000 You recognize his profile probably.

01:25:19.000 But he literally said he posted at Frontlines and he said, Next time you're sending her somewhere, let me know.

01:25:23.000 I'll come pay my own way and I'll give her security.

01:25:25.000 And Tyler replied, Tyler Bauer replied, and he said, Yeah, we'll find a way to make it happen.

01:25:31.000 So, I mean, good on him for.

01:25:32.000 So, guys.

01:25:33.000 Yeah.

01:25:34.000 The weather is warming up.

01:25:36.000 Sex scandals are popping up all over the place in Congress. 0.99

01:25:40.000 Sounding like it's about to get the Q1 always sucks. 0.88

01:25:43.000 I got to tell you, quarter one is always stressful. 0.94

01:25:46.000 It is stressful.

01:25:47.000 Marketing, you know, for us, we work in the media business.

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 So it's really important when like the sponsors come in and we're like, who's buying what.

01:25:54.000 And I think Kellen was saying, like, it feels like the marketing departments are asleep right now.

01:25:59.000 Like they're just chilling and they're like, you know, playing beer pong.

01:26:03.000 They're not doing anything.

01:26:03.000 And I'm like, that's quarter one.

01:26:05.000 There it is every year.

01:26:07.000 Every single year, quarter one, everyone's lazy.

01:26:10.000 But now the midterm is starting to heat up.

01:26:13.000 It's starting to get warm outside.

01:26:15.000 This is shockingly the most violence.

01:26:20.000 I got to be honest.

01:26:21.000 I think it's so shocking because Savannah has done this all the time and not been physically assaulted to this extreme before. 0.99

01:26:28.000 I would not be surprised if we see brutal beatings on the spot.

01:26:33.000 And as I predicted last year, by September, another high profile assassin.

01:26:37.000 Well, it's not, yeah, it's not even a year since they killed Charlie.

01:26:40.000 Yep.

01:26:41.000 It's part of their playbook.

01:26:42.000 I mean, it's literally in the communist playbook to exert violence in order to get political outcomes.

01:26:48.000 So, of course, it's going to happen.

01:26:49.000 It happens every summer.

01:26:50.000 Let me say it like this I watched a video on Instagram where a cop was trying to arrest a guy.

01:26:57.000 Fight in like there's a guy who's being, I think he's being detained.

01:27:01.000 I don't think he was being arrested, but the guy, so the cop tries to detain him and the guy immediately becomes violent and tries to shove the cop who just fades back, right hooks him, and the guy spins over, falls down, instantly dead.

01:27:14.000 One right hook killed the guy instantly.

01:27:16.000 He fell down, the cop cuffs him, and then he realizes the guy's gone.

01:27:21.000 Yeah.

01:27:23.000 Now, I don't want to be, I don't know, like too extreme in how I explain this, but The attack on Sav when the guy shoves her as hard as he could, that has a potential to kill.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:36.000 There's a bunch of stories of people getting shoved and falling down and hitting their head on the curb and they die.

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 This is very common.

01:27:43.000 So I'm glad that she's okay.

01:27:45.000 She's a friend of the show.

01:27:46.000 She's been on several times.

01:27:47.000 And I'm glad that she's okay.

01:27:49.000 But there are older guys that go out with Trump flags and Trump shirts on.

01:27:54.000 One shove, and this guy falls down and hits his head.

01:27:57.000 And then we are going to, like, my point is, although I don't expect a shove like that to typically kill someone, we are already at the point where there is the probability of death at these events.

01:28:10.000 Now, don't get me wrong, I understand we've had shootings, we've had Kyle Rittenhouse, we've had Andy Noh, but Sav does this all the time.

01:28:16.000 The Davis Court.

01:28:17.000 I mean, they attacked the Davis Court. 1.00

01:28:19.000 For her to be, usually what we see with like Sav is they surround her and yell at her, and then other people in the crowd will keep their hands up to stop violence and they'll push her out. 1.00

01:28:29.000 And then, you know, with like Caitlin Bennett. 0.62

01:28:32.000 She has a new last name, though, doesn't she? 1.00

01:28:34.000 She got married. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 I think she still uses Bennett Poe. 1.00

01:28:38.000 They'll throw her out. 0.99

01:28:39.000 They'll be like, you have to leave.

01:28:40.000 And she'll be like, you can't make me leave.

01:28:42.000 That's what we typically see. 0.86

01:28:44.000 This is freaky because they immediately were like, beat the crap out of her. 0.99

01:28:47.000 They started with beat the crap out of her. 0.98

01:28:49.000 I mean, that's the thing. 0.58

01:28:50.000 I've been out at these things before, too.

01:28:52.000 Certainly, I don't cover anything the way Sav or Katie or Andy have done.

01:28:56.000 But I've gone out to protests and covered stuff before.

01:28:59.000 And people have tried to hit me with big flagpoles and I've ducked.

01:29:04.000 But that would have been.

01:29:05.000 a skull fracture, you know, different things.

01:29:09.000 It doesn't start right away like this.

01:29:11.000 This starts right away.

01:29:12.000 They won't even let her leave.

01:29:15.000 Well, the point is now they're addicted.

01:29:16.000 And now they're addicted.

01:29:18.000 So this is. 0.96

01:29:18.000 They busted her glasses. 0.96

01:29:20.000 Yep. 0.79

01:29:20.000 Because they clothe it in such nice sounding language, the left is much better at how they clothe their ideology with their language than we are. 0.79

01:29:28.000 They have done a decent job hiding that leftism is an inherently violent ideology, extremely violent ideology.

01:29:35.000 And I think that ever since.

01:29:36.000 Wow.

01:29:37.000 You know, Charlie, basically the mask came off.

01:29:40.000 And the left is embracing their openly violent story.

01:29:42.000 They're emboldened by it.

01:29:43.000 And that's why, because they saw it and they go, hey, that worked.

01:29:46.000 We got power from that.

01:29:47.000 Which is what I said.

01:29:48.000 Their only virtue is power.

01:29:49.000 And so they're going to keep doing this.

01:29:50.000 And the question is Listen, listen, Charlie Day, you saw this?

01:29:54.000 He's being interviewed about what movie he's in?

01:29:57.000 He's in Mario.

01:29:58.000 He's in the new Mario.

01:29:59.000 And they asked him, who's your favorite Luigi?

01:30:00.000 And he laughed and said, Luigi Mangione?

01:30:02.000 And then everyone laughed.

01:30:04.000 It's not funny.

01:30:05.000 These people are sitting there saying, on TV, movie stars celebrate murdering people on the right.

01:30:13.000 So, when Sav shows up, their attitude is, I'll get praise if I do this.

01:30:17.000 I'll be a hero.

01:30:18.000 Yep.

01:30:19.000 To my side.

01:30:19.000 Which, think about the other violence that happened last summer, too.

01:30:22.000 We had those two people killed outside of the embassy in New York.

01:30:25.000 We had all of the violent anti ICE protests.

01:30:28.000 You guys remember that?

01:30:29.000 Last summer, we had tons of violent protests from the left.

01:30:33.000 It's only going to escalate ever since the summer of love in 2020, the summer of Hellfire, really.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, Jenny Durkin coined the phrase.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:30:40.000 It's always been, this worked for us.

01:30:44.000 We got an electoral, at least, Maybe an electoral victory out of that.

01:30:48.000 But we got what we wanted.

01:30:50.000 And so we're going to run this play every single summer.

01:30:52.000 I literally, we did this last year in Human Events, you remember?

01:30:54.000 And I just said, hey, what kind of riot are we going to have this year?

01:30:58.000 And then, like, a week later, a week later, it was like the anti ICE riots.

01:31:02.000 And then we covered, I think, three weeks in a row, there was another violent attack from leftists that we had a piece in that we covered every single week because it's part of their playbook.

01:31:11.000 Because virtue, the only virtue they have is power.

01:31:14.000 And so if violence works, they will use violence to get power.

01:31:17.000 But they know they will use your morals against them.

01:31:20.000 They know that.

01:31:21.000 Violence is not part of the conservative morality.

01:31:23.000 And so when you turn around and you're like, hey, stop that, they'll be like, hey, quit being so mean to me.

01:31:28.000 Why are you so mean?

01:31:28.000 Because they're using your own virtue against you.

01:31:30.000 It's a situation where the red and the green are united, right? 0.78

01:31:33.000 I mean, communists are united with extreme Islamists who are. 0.93

01:31:36.000 It's called communism. 0.98

01:31:37.000 Right. 0.94

01:31:37.000 And they are using the Islamists to take over the country, and the communists think that they'll win and we'll have to see what happens. 0.94

01:31:44.000 They're going to die. 0.99

01:31:45.000 They're going to die. 1.00

01:31:46.000 The communists will just get killed by the terrorists. 1.00

01:31:48.000 They always get killed. 1.00

01:31:50.000 They're going to take all of us with them.

01:31:51.000 But that's the thing that I find so concerning.

01:31:54.000 And I feel like we are, we do not have, from my view right now, a strong conservative position or alternate position or, you know, just like the other side to take this mess on.

01:32:09.000 And that's, I get really concerned about that.

01:32:09.000 I'm going to.

01:32:12.000 I'm going to just get as conspiratorial as possible and loop this all into, I think this is all part of AI Agenda 2030.

01:32:22.000 I mean, maybe not.

01:32:22.000 It's conspiratorial, but I would just put it like this.

01:32:24.000 The way I often describe these scenarios is what would you do if you were the head of a multinational corporation 10, 15 years ago, when these companies developing rudimentary AI algorithms, machine learning were forecasting what was going to happen?

01:32:41.000 What would your plan be?

01:32:42.000 You'd be like, okay, well, communism, you need some kind of new economy because how will you sustain an economy when Who's going to own the means of production?

01:32:55.000 When it's an artificial intelligence robot producing the food, is there going to be three guys who own all the factories or one guy who owns all the factories?

01:33:02.000 How do you stop people from burning those factories down?

01:33:04.000 How do they get access to this economy?

01:33:05.000 I think the social media expansion of allowing communism and banning individuality, merit, capitalism, et cetera, is connected to these technocrats.

01:33:17.000 I'll put it like this.

01:33:18.000 Silicon Valley technocrats are friends with the AI companies and they're all funding each other.

01:33:24.000 So when they start censoring certain worldviews, it seems like it's connected.

01:33:29.000 And I think it's related to them being like, we need a cultural revolution to eliminate individuality and meritocracy because we're about to destroy it with technology.

01:33:38.000 Well, that's a scary thought.

01:33:39.000 So can I make a counter proposition?

01:33:41.000 No.

01:33:42.000 Which is like, next subject.

01:33:44.000 So here's my counter proposition, which is that everything you're saying, I actually.

01:33:49.000 Tend to agree with, but I don't know if it's so much a one world coordinated conspiracy theory because I think a lot of times those things are hard to hold together.

01:33:56.000 I didn't say it was one world, I said the technocrats are friends with each other.

01:33:59.000 So that could be true.

01:33:59.000 Okay, sure.

01:34:02.000 What I actually think that it is, and I think that you're actually right in everything you're saying, so it's not really a counterproposal, but I view all of this through obviously a spiritual lens.

01:34:11.000 And we were talking about this when we talked about demons a minute ago.

01:34:13.000 If you ask yourself the question with a lot of these issues, what would a demon do if they were in charge of this situation?

01:34:19.000 And it's the exact thing that's happening.

01:34:21.000 It starts to really have the mask come off a lot of this.

01:34:23.000 And I look at that and I go, okay, so that makes me have to wonder is there something to the fact that there's a world maybe that I can't see in the physical?

01:34:30.000 You know, maybe is there something spiritual going on?

01:34:33.000 And whatever term you want to use for it, but maybe there's a world that's just as real as the one that I live in, in which there's forces that are fighting over territorial control over the earth and over people and over humanity.

01:34:44.000 And maybe all of that is happening right now.

01:34:47.000 And if that were the case, what would it look like?

01:34:49.000 And that's actually one of the things that led me to the most clarity as I was, you know, as I became a Christian.

01:34:55.000 Led into my faith is I looked around at the world and I said, Yeah, there's some evil things that are going on here.

01:35:00.000 Maybe there's exactly what the Bible describes, which is a kingdom of darkness, and that there's all these coordinated actors who are acting within it.

01:35:07.000 And I started to view the world through that lens.

01:35:09.000 And I will tell you, none of these stories started surprising me because I just looked at what the Bible said and said, Hey, you know, there's this passage in 2 Timothy that says, In the last days, meaning like towards the end, which is kind of the period of time that we're in, at least biblically speaking, I think we're in the last days.

01:35:22.000 It says, People will be lovers of themselves, money, boastful, proud, abusive.

01:35:26.000 Disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, all it goes all conceited, all of these things, basically everything that we deal with in our culture that we say, hey, this is the root problem in our culture.

01:35:36.000 And I think, okay, well, then if that is true, then maybe the spiritual side of this is real.

01:35:42.000 And how do we combat that?

01:35:43.000 And my answer to that is always, you need to return to something that is truth that you can ground yourself in.

01:35:48.000 Because if you can't be grounded in something that's real, then you're going to get blown away by all of these evil things.

01:35:54.000 Because there are evil things.

01:35:55.000 What they did to Sab, they could have killed her.

01:35:57.000 That's evil.

01:35:57.000 What they did to Charlie, that's evil.

01:35:59.000 They killed him.

01:36:00.000 For what he believed.

01:36:01.000 What they did to those people outside the DC embassy, that's evil.

01:36:04.000 All of these different things you look at and you go, that's really evil.

01:36:07.000 And I say, yeah, it is.

01:36:08.000 And so you have to be grounded in some level of truth.

01:36:10.000 So I actually really like what you're saying there, Tim, because I think it falls into my framework a little bit.

01:36:15.000 I just tweeted this before the show because we were briefly talking about it.

01:36:18.000 I said, I'm a lapsed Catholic.

01:36:19.000 I don't consider myself Christian.

01:36:21.000 Recent events in the world have me very worried and considering going back to church.

01:36:26.000 There's a lot to break down in that because people are already like, you know, Tim's going to be born again or whatever.

01:36:30.000 And I'm like, no.

01:36:32.000 There's a lot to break down in what this means and what I'm talking about, but what I will say very simply is.

01:36:39.000 Demons are real.

01:36:40.000 Yeah.

01:36:40.000 And that has me like, I was, I was, we were talking about this before the show.

01:36:44.000 I have witnessed what I can only describe as demonic possession something that seemingly defies what humans or what we are taught about human psychology and behavior.

01:36:54.000 Everything that I've experienced in hacker culture, social engineering, sales, all the fundraising stuff I've done has been rooted heavily in understanding the human mind and how to manipulate it.

01:37:07.000 That sounds bad, but I'll explain.

01:37:09.000 It's like when, uh, When I was a kid, I had a computer my whole life.

01:37:15.000 And so there were really funny things that my friends would do on AOL Instant Messenger.

01:37:21.000 They would create a fake screen name called like AIMBOT97361, send a message to one of their friends saying, error, password incorrect.

01:37:30.000 You will be logged out in five minutes.

01:37:32.000 Please re enter password now. 0.97

01:37:34.000 And our dumb 13 year old friends would put their passwords into AIM and give their friend the password to screw with them. 0.93

01:37:41.000 And that's my first introduction into what social engineering was. 0.96

01:37:44.000 Understanding the things that you could do that would make a person do something.

01:37:47.000 So I started hanging out with a bunch of people, and I'm in LA hanging out with hackers.

01:37:50.000 And I had done nonprofit fundraising, which is basically what do I have to say to a person to make them hand over their credit card and sign up for this form willfully.

01:37:58.000 Everything that I had been doing was based on for human beings, if this, then that.

01:38:04.000 And then in the past several years, I have seen things that seem to defy everything I had been successful at and learned as it pertains to the human mind in ways that I can only describe as demonic possession.

01:38:17.000 A person's personality changed as if they had been taken over.

01:38:20.000 And I'm not exaggerating when I say, I'll give you an example because I want to keep it private.

01:38:25.000 I don't want to publicly name someone I think was taken over by a demon.

01:38:29.000 But I've probably seen 15 to 20 instances.

01:38:32.000 Let's just put it like this somebody who hates pineapple on pizza, likes watching cartoons and anime, one day can't stand pineapple on pizza and only watches action movies and is also doing something that I would describe as immoral and evil.

01:38:50.000 Things and betraying people, hurting people, and seeing them and saying, like, literally last week, you were doing the complete opposite of what you're doing now.

01:39:01.000 A week ago, you were a normal person.

01:39:03.000 This week, you are committing crimes and being evil.

01:39:06.000 People who live their lives never doing drugs, having a normal job, one day, all of a sudden, they're doing drugs, hard drugs, hurting people, gambling.

01:39:17.000 I would describe it as things that were criminal.

01:39:21.000 And sometimes to me.

01:39:22.000 And I'm like, I don't understand how this very boring, normal guy is a high level evil right now.

01:39:32.000 Like, what changed in three days where their behavior, the way they walk, the way they hold themselves has become dramatically different?

01:39:40.000 And that made me question things. 0.94

01:39:42.000 I was talking to Pasobic, like, what was this, like six, seven months ago? 0.75

01:39:48.000 And I told him, I was like, You know, look, I'm a lapsed Catholic, right?

01:39:51.000 I grew up going to Mass and everything, and I went to Catholic school.

01:39:55.000 The story of the resurrection doesn't move me.

01:39:57.000 It does not convince me of anything.

01:39:59.000 But when you talk about demons, These are things that I've experienced more recently in my life that defy what I thought I knew about how humans behave.

01:40:09.000 And I can't explain the frequency by which I'm seeing this escalate, unless maybe we're in the end times and we're seeing an escalation of some kind of activity.

01:40:19.000 Yeah, well, there's this.

01:40:20.000 So, first of all, demons are certainly real.

01:40:24.000 And every faithful tradition of Christianity holds that.

01:40:27.000 Jesus goes and he casts out demons, his disciples cast out demons.

01:40:30.000 And as Christians today, we have the authority to cast out demons in the name of Christ.

01:40:35.000 And that is a thing that I have literally seen, and a thing that I have literally witnessed is people who are living under demonic possession and oppression, who at the name of Jesus are rescued from it, the chains are broken.

01:40:49.000 I have witnessed that.

01:40:50.000 That's real.

01:40:51.000 And so I will tell you yes, demons are real, but not only are they real, but it begs a question if demons are real, what are they?

01:40:59.000 And is what the Bible says about them perhaps the case?

01:41:03.000 And if it were the case, what would it look like?

01:41:06.000 If it were the case that demons were real and this one religion, the Christian religion, seemed to have historically, not just me sitting here telling you, but countless cases of people who were able to go and use the name of Jesus in order to drive them out, would that give credence to the claim that perhaps there is another kingdom, not just a kingdom of darkness, but also a kingdom of light, of which there is a king who has authority?

01:41:29.000 What does the Bible say that demons are?

01:41:32.000 So the Bible doesn't, the Bible addresses demons, but addresses it.

01:41:37.000 Probably a little bit less than you think about what they are.

01:41:39.000 So, the traditional view of the church is largely that demons are fallen angels, meaning that it's the same time there's a rebellion in Genesis chapter 3.

01:41:47.000 So, Adam and Eve are in the garden and they rebel by sinning against God because they're tempted by the devil and they choose to disobey.

01:41:52.000 And so, they enter into a broken relationship with God.

01:41:55.000 Well, there's also a divine rebellion that is in heaven.

01:41:58.000 And Jesus describes this when he says, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven and a third of the angels fell with him.

01:42:03.000 This is also described in Revelation.

01:42:05.000 And so, the traditional view of the church is that what we encounter as demonic spirits.

01:42:10.000 Really, are fallen angels from heaven.

01:42:12.000 Now, there's some more complexity to it than that, meaning that in the same way that there are creatures in the world that you and I see that are human and then not human but alive, right?

01:42:23.000 There's things in like that in the spiritual world too, because if God is a God who's a God of creation, then He's created two worlds in which they're made perfect.

01:42:31.000 We're the only creature that's made in His image fully, meaning there's spirit creatures, there's also flesh creatures.

01:42:36.000 But it doesn't answer it directly.

01:42:38.000 Well, I want to talk more about the personal.

01:42:41.000 I'm sorry.

01:42:41.000 No, we're going to go to the super chats and rumble rants.

01:42:44.000 I'm just saying that.

01:42:44.000 In the uncensored portion of the show, I want to go in depth on the personal issue here and why I am considering going back to church because Libby and I have been talking about it before the show, less so the global implications.

01:42:59.000 But I do want to rope in what has me worried. 1.00

01:43:01.000 And I'll just say this when we talk about demons and the things that I've experienced, to your average liberal secular person, they're going to be like, you guys believe in fairy tales, you're stupid. 0.99

01:43:13.000 I wouldn't communicate to them in this way. 0.99

01:43:15.000 I would actually say people have taken drugs and experienced entities.

01:43:20.000 And what's compelling about it, and the reason why the subject of DMT was so popular, is that they have taken two people, put them in separate rooms, given them both DMT in these research trials, and these people have experienced the same space.

01:43:33.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 They can see each other.

01:43:36.000 They can see the same entity.

01:43:38.000 Afterwards, they are independently asked, What did you see?

01:43:40.000 And they describe the same things, indicating they are seeing something else.

01:43:45.000 This has resulted in research on extended state DMT, where they give people IV drips.

01:43:49.000 Now, I don't know what that is or why it is.

01:43:52.000 There are rational attempts at explaining what it is.

01:43:54.000 Some say that the reason they experience the same thing is because the DMT's effect on the mind is uniform for the human mind.

01:44:03.000 So you will see the same things.

01:44:05.000 But what that never explains is how there are More and more stories.

01:44:09.000 And this is not random dudes being like, I did drugs and this is what happened.

01:44:13.000 These are laboratory conditions where they're like, the individuals conveyed information neither of them had been able to share with each other.

01:44:20.000 Like, and we don't know how.

01:44:22.000 They have described the same entities.

01:44:25.000 They're 20 feet apart in different rooms, soundproof.

01:44:27.000 And they're like, yeah, there was a strange, like, geometric figure that was slightly green.

01:44:35.000 And they both described seeing the same thing in proximity to each other.

01:44:38.000 That stuff freaks me out.

01:44:40.000 And so I wonder if the issue is there are people who are grazing.

01:44:45.000 Let me put it like this.

01:44:48.000 I love simulation theory.

01:44:50.000 The simulation theorists say perhaps we live in a simulation that our universe was constructed for some purpose in which we experience the world and there's rules and, you know, who knows?

01:45:03.000 And so it's like, so you think a creator made all of this?

01:45:08.000 Like, well, yeah, but it's an advanced species.

01:45:10.000 I'm like, Look, any way you want to describe the creator, you can describe the creator.

01:45:14.000 That's literally just pushing the question further back.

01:45:16.000 Yeah.

01:45:17.000 My response is simulation theorists are asking the first questions that theologians asked 3,000, 2,000 years ago or whatever.

01:45:26.000 When, you know, even before Christ, there were questions being asked about the nature of reality and whether it was constructed.

01:45:32.000 And simulation theorists are now thinking they've just discovered the first question to ask.

01:45:36.000 When you look at it that way, my response to atheists and secular individuals is when you think of demons, There is an immediate internal bias that I think atheists have where they imagine fairy tales, vampires, and werewolves.

01:45:51.000 That's a bias you need to overcome.

01:45:54.000 The idea of demons can be simply constructed as entity, something beyond our comprehension and understanding that seeks to influence in some ways.

01:46:01.000 There may be good ones, there may be bad ones. 1.00

01:46:03.000 It may be that Christianity is completely correct about it. 0.96

01:46:06.000 Maybe you believe that, maybe you don't. 0.65

01:46:07.000 My point is when I say demons are real, I believe that there are powers and entities that influence us because I have no way to explain the rapid increase in the frequency of people that I can only describe as being possessed.

01:46:20.000 And to simplify it, we're going to go to the Rumble Rant and Sweet Jets right now.

01:46:23.000 I'm just saying, easy way to describe it.

01:46:27.000 A friend of yours who listens to rock music and wears, you know, rock clothes and flannels one day shows up with a different tone of their voice, a different degree of confidence.

01:46:39.000 They hate certain kinds of food they loved yesterday.

01:46:41.000 And you're like, this is not the same person.

01:46:44.000 This is a different person.

01:46:46.000 And when I say demonic, there are people that I know that seemingly within a few days became an entirely different person and evil.

01:46:54.000 And what I mean by that is they do things to hurt others.

01:46:59.000 They commit crimes.

01:46:59.000 They do drugs.

01:47:00.000 They gamble.

01:47:01.000 Sometimes it's just vices that destroy themselves.

01:47:03.000 Sometimes they destroy others.

01:47:05.000 And I have seen this with increasing frequency, and it's freaked me out.

01:47:07.000 But we'll talk more about it.

01:47:08.000 I don't want to rant.

01:47:09.000 We'll go to your Rumble rant.

01:47:10.000 Super Chat.

01:47:10.000 So smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff.

01:47:13.000 And I'm going to talk about this for the uncensored portion at rumble.com slash Tim Kest IRL in about 15 minutes.

01:47:19.000 But let's see what you guys have to say.

01:47:21.000 Swanson says the blockade is only on Iranian ports.

01:47:21.000 All right.

01:47:24.000 Please do your viewers the favor and tell them it's just Iranian ports on the straight.

01:47:28.000 Donald Trump personally stated, We are blocking the Strait of Hormuz.

01:47:28.000 Incorrect.

01:47:33.000 I initially saw the reports that it was a blockade on their ports, and then Trump truthed, It's the entire Strait.

01:47:38.000 So maybe Trump's wrong.

01:47:40.000 Trump incorrectly stated they're blocking the whole Strait?

01:47:40.000 Is that what happened?

01:47:43.000 Because my understanding is he said, We're blocking the whole Strait.

01:47:45.000 That's what I understood as well.

01:47:46.000 Yes.

01:47:47.000 But there's always the possibility that Trump was wrong, too.

01:47:50.000 Indeed.

01:47:50.000 He's very good at that.

01:47:51.000 So let me just say it like this Trump has stated on Truth Social in a verbose post, We are blocking the Strait itself.

01:47:58.000 That's what he said.

01:48:01.000 All right, Mithos says, I had Swalwell as my most likely for Dem primary in 28.

01:48:06.000 I'm actually shocked.

01:48:08.000 I mean, I did think he was ascendant in the Democratic Party.

01:48:13.000 That's why they had to take him out.

01:48:15.000 Wow. 0.98

01:48:16.000 Yeah, this is how you whack somebody in the 28. 0.98

01:48:19.000 Yeah, you accuse him of rape. 0.70

01:48:21.000 He had to go.

01:48:22.000 He was his time.

01:48:24.000 You don't commit violence, you just commit video.

01:48:28.000 You just put it on.

01:48:29.000 Salty Rex, he says, Swalwell's victims didn't light themselves on fire.

01:48:33.000 LOL.

01:48:35.000 Fair enough.

01:48:36.000 Yikes.

01:48:36.000 Fitzy says, We're going to find out it was Swalwell, including with Russia in 2016, aren't we?

01:48:41.000 If I understand correctly, he was actually implicated. 0.98

01:48:44.000 Swan says, Don't feel sorry for that POS who F's Chinese spies. 0.93

01:48:50.000 Even though he's supposed to only care about his constituents, he's a B. What happened to Believe All Women, Eric Swallows?

01:48:57.000 Man, brutal. 0.96

01:49:01.000 Dan Vicious says, It's always the male feminist as the worst offenders. 0.99

01:49:05.000 True, actually.

01:49:07.000 Swanson says, the Antichrist is someone who is beloved by everyone worldwide.

01:49:10.000 Does Trump sound like he's effing beloved worldwide?

01:49:13.000 He's hated by everyone. 1.00

01:49:14.000 People need to just shut the F up. 0.99

01:49:16.000 HS Disturbed says, if Trump is the Antichrist, wouldn't the people who are so heavily influenced by demons absolutely adore him? 0.96

01:49:22.000 It doesn't make sense to me that the left would hate the Antichrist so much.

01:49:25.000 That's true.

01:49:26.000 That's actually a good point.

01:49:28.000 That's probably the best counter.

01:49:29.000 It's one of the best.

01:49:30.000 Demons would be cheering him on.

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 I mean, just to like the average person who's not like, you know, Super into eschatology.

01:49:36.000 That's probably the most potent point is like, why are all the people who are clearly communing with demons opposed?

01:49:42.000 All the people that are openly Satanist.

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:46.000 Why wouldn't he want to trans the kids if he was. 1.00

01:49:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:50.000 Josh Alger says, in keeping with Tim Cass' tradition, my wife and I welcomed our son Jackson into the world Sunday, April 12th at a quarter past midnight.

01:49:58.000 Congratulations.

01:49:59.000 Congratulations, sir.

01:50:01.000 Congrats, man.

01:50:03.000 Troy Becker says, last week you were talking about AI robots versus the genetically engineered.

01:50:07.000 Reminded me of my self published book, Human 3.0, currently 4.5 stars.

01:50:12.000 Would love a shout out to Building Culture, Human 3.0.

01:50:15.000 Human underscore 3.0.

01:50:17.000 Very cool, man.

01:50:18.000 People should make stuff.

01:50:20.000 All right, let's see what we got going over here.

01:50:24.000 Joseph Mascara says, Tim, would you consider the Orthodox Church?

01:50:29.000 Man, I don't even.

01:50:31.000 We got to talk about it.

01:50:31.000 I got to talk.

01:50:32.000 I need some input from my more religious friends.

01:50:35.000 On the Uncensored Report of the show, we'll give it some input. 0.96

01:50:37.000 Libby's making a face of disapproval right now.

01:50:40.000 All right.

01:50:41.000 Marusia says, New GOP strategy write articles with headlines.

01:50:46.000 I'm MAGA and I effed AOC. 0.63

01:50:49.000 Make her defend accusations of cheating while the real post at the bottom says, I meant effed her politically like they do.

01:50:56.000 Oof.

01:50:58.000 Marisha says, Ian is correct about divorce.

01:51:00.000 Marriage is just a contract as far as the law is concerned.

01:51:03.000 The terms can be whatever you want.

01:51:04.000 Most pick monogamy till death as a default boilerplate or cause tradition.

01:51:08.000 I don't think most pick that.

01:51:10.000 I'm allergic to sentences.

01:51:11.000 I think it should be enforced by law.

01:51:14.000 I think that if you get married, the law should mandate that marriage.

01:51:17.000 Like, you have publicly, like, two people said, yes, till death do us part.

01:51:25.000 No fault divorce should.

01:51:25.000 Done.

01:51:27.000 Never have been a thing.

01:51:28.000 That's one of the.

01:51:28.000 Agreed.

01:51:30.000 You can trace this back.

01:51:30.000 It's actually been.

01:51:31.000 You can trace all this stuff back to the Great Society.

01:51:33.000 Basically, every policy that's destroying America today came from the Great Society, but this is one of them, right?

01:51:39.000 No-fall divorce actually happened under Reagan, which is not great.

01:51:42.000 But it. 0.94

01:51:43.000 Yeah, California and New York is where it really took off.

01:51:46.000 Yeah, because it basically says, like, this union is not that important.

01:51:49.000 It makes marriage into a breakup, which is.

01:51:51.000 Yeah, there doesn't have to be a reason.

01:51:53.000 And it's.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, right.

01:51:54.000 That's disgusting.

01:51:54.000 Yeah.

01:51:56.000 I mean, like, that means I could literally go and I would never.

01:51:58.000 Honey, I know you're listening to this, but I would never like to leave my wife and kids, and it's just like, ah, just because I didn't want to.

01:52:04.000 It's like, that should be illegal.

01:52:05.000 That's why they had to.

01:52:06.000 That's why they kept trying to put into law in laws about, you know, deadbeat dads and you have to pay your child support and you're going to go to jail. 1.00

01:52:13.000 Yeah, all the women that are like, hey, if you're going to take away abortion care, you should have to stay to help raise that child that you created. 0.86

01:52:20.000 And I'm like, yeah, your terms are acceptable. 1.00

01:52:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:24.000 That's what I've been advocating for this whole time.

01:52:26.000 So that is a great example of how the left misunderstands what people on the right.

01:52:31.000 Think.

01:52:31.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 But I think it was Kyla who said men should be allowed to lawfully, like legally abort.

01:52:38.000 Like men should be allowed.

01:52:39.000 Her argument, I think it was Kyla who said this, right?

01:52:41.000 That if a man and woman have sex and a woman gets pregnant, the man can abort responsibility.

01:52:46.000 If the woman can abort the baby by choice, the man should be allowed to the exact same way. 0.61

01:52:49.000 Like I am absolving myself of any responsibility with this child. 0.97

01:52:52.000 See, I think that you should both be not allowed to abort responsibility or the child.

01:52:58.000 I mean, this is a thing that we have in our culture.

01:53:01.000 We think.

01:53:01.000 Only about our rights and not about our duties.

01:53:04.000 There's no responsibility.

01:53:06.000 Yeah, there is no thought.

01:53:08.000 Everybody talks about my freedom and my rights, but nobody at all wants to deal with their responsibilities.

01:53:15.000 And you cannot have liberty and freedom without responsibilities.

01:53:20.000 Every right that you have comes with a corresponding or a set of corresponding responsibilities.

01:53:26.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 All right.

01:53:28.000 Cabbage roll says legislation.

01:53:30.000 I love cabbage rolls, by the way.

01:53:31.000 Man, nice southern.

01:53:32.000 Cabbage rolls?

01:53:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:34.000 I never had a cabbage roll.

01:53:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:36.000 It's got beef inside and they wrap it.

01:53:38.000 And they wrap it in cabbage?

01:53:39.000 Yeah.

01:53:40.000 Okay.

01:53:40.000 It's amazing.

01:53:42.000 I think it's like tomato and beef and you wrap it in cabbage.

01:53:45.000 Legislation is lagging behind.

01:53:46.000 This is why AI seems so impressive.

01:53:47.000 You're fine.

01:53:49.000 AI music generation can't work without training on someone else's music.

01:53:52.000 In my opinion, that infringes the copyright of the original authors.

01:53:55.000 The argument the AI company is making, though, is that it's fair use, it's transformative, and they're correct.

01:54:00.000 Taking a bunch of songs and using them as a basis to transform is 100% pure fair use.

01:54:07.000 If people do it all the time, artists have taken samples from songs to make new songs all the time.

01:54:14.000 Now, depending on the degree of the sample, you can be sued for infringement.

01:54:19.000 This happened with what's his name?

01:54:21.000 Sam Smith.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:23.000 And he was like, I don't even know Tom Petty.

01:54:25.000 But the weirdest was that one song.

01:54:25.000 That's weird.

01:54:30.000 What's that one song that they said was a.

01:54:33.000 I can't even remember.

01:54:34.000 Blurred Lines.

01:54:35.000 There you go.

01:54:36.000 They were like, the beat is too similar to like Marvin Gaye or something.

01:54:39.000 Wasn't there something about under pressure too?

01:54:42.000 Well, under pressure, yeah, vanilla ice.

01:54:45.000 Literally took it and he was like, mine's different.

01:54:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:47.000 Mine's dumb, Yeah. 0.99

01:54:50.000 Like theirs is different. 0.99

01:54:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:52.000 But if I took, let's use this example.

01:54:56.000 Let's say I took one of Phil's songs, stripped the guitar out, slowed it down 100, you know, 100, let's just say, let's say I slowed it down five times, snipped a piece out of the middle and reversed it.

01:55:13.000 Phil, could you sue me for using that sound?

01:55:16.000 No.

01:55:16.000 No one would even know where it came from.

01:55:18.000 So the AI takes all these different moving parts and uses it as a basis to create new songs.

01:55:25.000 Nothing is going to be identifiable in it.

01:55:27.000 So people are complaining, but it's just basically high level fair use.

01:55:30.000 What do you do?

01:55:31.000 And also, like, what are unity?

01:55:32.000 You're going to sue them, and then it's going to take two years to get through the courts.

01:55:35.000 And by the time it's done, you'll get pennies.

01:55:37.000 You'll get some pennies, and they'll have moved on.

01:55:39.000 It's a good system, but they'll have moved on.

01:55:42.000 Mijaha says, Tim, there is currently a seven year mismatch between AI data centers and how quickly the power grid can be expanded.

01:55:50.000 The public is going to be a hard sell to allow small nuclear reactors to bypass the grid.

01:55:55.000 So there's a bunch to talk about here.

01:55:58.000 First, there is a massive power discrepancy in Northern Virginia.

01:56:02.000 I forgot the numbers.

01:56:03.000 We went over this last year when we pulled up the data, but I think it's something like.

01:56:09.000 I can't remember if it's gigawatts or whatever the power consumption in Northern Virginia is, but there's something like a 250% discrepancy in power consumption, meaning we know how much the human beings who live there are using.

01:56:21.000 Why is there an extra 250% going somewhere?

01:56:24.000 And everyone's like, it's because they're sending it to data centers.

01:56:27.000 This is causing power costs to spike because of consumption being so massive.

01:56:32.000 One thing that they're doing, and this is what I think Elon's doing with XAI, is the data centers are creating their own power plants.

01:56:39.000 Yeah, they should have to.

01:56:40.000 They have methane power generators in the buildings.

01:56:44.000 Not only that, but there's an idea that I hear a lot of people talking about that once a data center is put up, you're talking about like an enormous amount of power, right?

01:56:55.000 1,500 megawatts or something like that.

01:56:57.000 Your average town uses like 80 megawatts.

01:57:00.000 So it's like 5% of what the data center uses.

01:57:02.000 The data center should just pay for everyone's electricity.

01:57:07.000 That would ingratiate them with the population.

01:57:09.000 Your average person, what, $3,000, $4,000 a year for power?

01:57:12.000 Now, it's not a huge amount of money.

01:57:14.000 But if they're like, if you tell people, everybody in town, you're going to get free electricity because we're putting a data center down the street and they're going to pay for all your electricity.

01:57:21.000 I'd say yes.

01:57:22.000 Yeah.

01:57:22.000 Everyone would cheer.

01:57:23.000 It would change the way that people look at data centers and the amount of money.

01:57:26.000 Like that's, if it's like $3,000, it's like $3,000 a year per person, it's like $150 million per year.

01:57:34.000 That is a drop in the bucket compared to.

01:57:36.000 No, no, no.

01:57:37.000 Here's the big thing that no one seems to be talking about.

01:57:39.000 None of these companies are actually profitable.

01:57:41.000 Where is this money coming from to mass rapidly expand all of this?

01:57:45.000 I think there's an economic misalignment that we aren't discussing.

01:57:50.000 It is something I think I heard somebody talk about this at the very beginning of the AI boom.

01:57:56.000 I heard a couple people talking about this, and just the idea that they're going to continue to take out debt until someday, one day, they'll be profitable.

01:58:02.000 I mean, the longest one that we've seen has been OpenAI.

01:58:05.000 They've been the longest standing major company, and they're in debt billions and billions of dollars.

01:58:10.000 Microsoft owns most of OpenAI, I think.

01:58:12.000 And they just keep dumping more and more.

01:58:13.000 And they just keep dumping more because it's too big to.

01:58:15.000 And now RAM is like a billion dollars a stick.

01:58:17.000 Anthropic's currently looking at being profitable in 2027.

01:58:25.000 And that's three years earlier than OpenAI.

01:58:28.000 I don't believe it.

01:58:30.000 I don't believe the functions of these AIs.

01:58:30.000 I bet the OpenAI.

01:58:34.000 As they have them right now, justify the amount of expense and expense that they're making?

01:58:39.000 I think the only one that has a chance to be profitable is X because Elon actually knows how to financially maneuver and he's integrated all of his companies vertically so that they can all work together.

01:58:50.000 And he actually, I mean, this is what he did with SpaceX, right?

01:58:53.000 He said, everybody else has tried to launch space internet, which Bill Gates had tried to do it, a bunch of people tried to do it.

01:59:00.000 And he said, but it wasn't profitable.

01:59:01.000 So I'm going to find a way to make it profitable.

01:59:03.000 I'm going to launch these satellites.

01:59:05.000 Elon finds a way to make things make money.

01:59:06.000 He's the only one that I would bet he's able to make it.

01:59:08.000 XAI is not going to be profitable anytime soon.

01:59:10.000 And the reason they're not is because of the tariffab that he's making.

01:59:13.000 He's making, right now, there's only like one company that makes the actual machines that make chips.

01:59:19.000 It's in, I think it's in Sweden.

01:59:21.000 And it's an incredibly complex process.

01:59:26.000 Elon is building a tariffab, which he intends to use to make like a million chips a year because he's looking at putting a million.

01:59:35.000 You know, he says he's putting like a million satellites in space a year or something.

01:59:39.000 Well, he wants to put a million in at least a million, but yeah, they're not going to be profitable in the next couple years.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, out of all the people that are trying this kind of stuff, I think Musk is the most likely eventually because of the same reasons that you're saying.

01:59:54.000 Um, I do think that he's going to be able to solve the problem of putting stuff in space because he's when he builds TerraFab, I think like 80% of the chips that they actually make, they're making with.

02:00:06.000 The intent of putting them in space.

02:00:07.000 So they're going to have to be hardened for radiation.

02:00:09.000 They're going to have to be more durable than the regular ones.

02:00:12.000 The other ones are going to Optimus.

02:00:13.000 So, and probably some Teslas.

02:00:15.000 But it'll take a while because the TeraFab is a massive, massive undertaking.

02:00:19.000 I'm just saying, like, if I was going to make an investment right now, I'm going to be looking at community based things, things that bring people together.

02:00:30.000 I'm going to be looking at companies that do manual labor and trade work.

02:00:37.000 Because the worst possible thing to invest in right now is probably media.

02:00:41.000 Oh, media is not a good bet.

02:00:43.000 It's over.

02:00:44.000 Well, you say community based things.

02:00:45.000 I will just say, as a pastor, a lot of people that come in, a lot of these young people that come in, they're terminally online and they come in and they're like, I need to connect with something real, something that's true.

02:00:57.000 I mean, it's a real thing.

02:00:58.000 People are going to really start to seek for other people, you know, because you're 18 years old, you're on your phone 20 hours a day.

02:01:04.000 It's nuts.

02:01:06.000 You weren't designed for that.

02:01:07.000 Let's see if we can grab one more here.

02:01:10.000 Let's see.

02:01:10.000 I don't know.

02:01:11.000 I don't say usi.

02:01:12.000 Is that how you say it?

02:01:13.000 Ous. 0.96

02:01:13.000 Paris Olympic opening ceremony made a parody of the Last Supper with a trans Jesus and leftist praised it. 0.96

02:01:19.000 Yeah. 0.92

02:01:20.000 Give me a break about being offended.

02:01:21.000 Trump didn't mock Jesus.

02:01:22.000 He was just trying to be like Jesus.

02:01:24.000 The left mocked Jesus.

02:01:25.000 I agree with that.

02:01:26.000 Yeah, I don't agree.

02:01:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:29.000 Or when they had the queer nuns go to like the Dodgers game or whatever. 1.00

02:01:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:33.000 Remember that? 1.00

02:01:34.000 I mean, they're like, no, we're not making fun of anybody.

02:01:36.000 Yes, you are.

02:01:36.000 Little sisters of the poor, I think is what it meant.

02:01:39.000 No, no, hey, hey, do it for Islam.

02:01:41.000 Big fan.

02:01:41.000 Yeah.

02:01:42.000 Do the same thing for Islam right now. 0.86

02:01:44.000 Remember, I had on Adam Conover? 1.00

02:01:47.000 We had on Adam Conover, and he was, and I was, I, you know, I forgot how it came up, but I was like, you know, go make fun of Islam. 0.99

02:01:54.000 He's like, what do you mean? 0.85

02:01:55.000 And I'm like, go to the UK when you're there. 0.97

02:01:56.000 Do a joke about Islam.

02:01:57.000 And he's like, I have no idea what that means.

02:01:57.000 Tell me what happens.

02:01:59.000 What does that mean?

02:01:59.000 And I'm like, did he do it?

02:02:01.000 Of course not.

02:02:01.000 He knows what it means.

02:02:02.000 Yeah.

02:02:03.000 He knew exactly what it meant.

02:02:05.000 So this is when, so Tommy Robbins, I wrote a 10-part series on Islam for our church.

02:02:09.000 That's actually how I ended up 30 years after he wrote it.

02:02:13.000 And Tommy Robinson came down to our church, and one of the questions he asked me when he interviewed me is, he asked, Are you afraid of this?

02:02:19.000 And he's been thrown in jail because of speaking out against Islam and stuff.

02:02:21.000 And I'm just like, I mean, you know, before we started this, I had never thought about it.

02:02:25.000 But the reality is, we've had to beef up security at our church because, I mean, for the past eight weeks, we've been preaching on the threat of Islam in the United States, the Red Green Alliance, all this other stuff. 0.98

02:02:36.000 And we have to think about that as a real consideration because these are people that are extremely violent. 0.56

02:02:42.000 It's their theology, it's exactly who they are, it's a reality.

02:02:46.000 Yeah.

02:02:47.000 So, my friends, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show and we're going to have a conversation about church, the community values, and things in the world that I think are going on that I find particularly interesting related to this and predictions as well as knowledge and forbidden knowledge.

02:03:02.000 We'll go into great detail.

02:03:03.000 So, you can find that at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.

02:03:06.000 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.

02:03:09.000 Sir, would you like to shout anything out?

02:03:11.000 Yeah.

02:03:12.000 I mean, so people can check out that series I just mentioned.

02:03:15.000 It's on our website, vintage.church forward slash infidel.

02:03:18.000 That's a A big thing. 1.00

02:03:19.000 So I think the Red Green Alliance, the Muslim problem, that's a big thing that we've been addressing lately.

02:03:24.000 And the other thing I would just shout out is if you don't have a church, get involved in a local church.

02:03:28.000 You're welcome to start ours online, but find one that's local.

02:03:31.000 I think that a lot of these problems get solved by you just coming back to Christ.

02:03:35.000 It's really, if there is a spiritual world that we live in and you're made to commune with your Creator, then that's how you do it.

02:03:43.000 And so I think Libby and I have talked about that a lot, which is a good thing.

02:03:46.000 It's going to help you a lot.

02:03:48.000 That's the only thing I would want to shout out is just come back to church.

02:03:50.000 There's so much good in your life to be found.

02:03:53.000 By doing that, right on.

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02:04:46.000 And yeah, you should go to church, everyone.

02:04:49.000 We will see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL in a few seconds.

02:04:53.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:05:49.000 So all this talk about Trump being the Antichrist and all that stuff, it's interesting.

02:05:57.000 I don't know if I would agree that Trump is the Antichrist or anything like that, but I feel like recent events, as well as my experience, I talked about to a great deal with demons and stuff like this, people's behaviors, like they became different people overnight.

02:06:12.000 That doesn't make sense.

02:06:13.000 It seems to be with increasing frequency.

02:06:16.000 I've known people that have been weird and have changed.

02:06:20.000 That stuff happens, but it's like.

02:06:22.000 Way too many times in the past few years.

02:06:25.000 So it started to freak me out.

02:06:26.000 Then, with all of the talk about prophecy, the Messianic era, all of things have started to freak me out a little bit where it just seems like, I'll keep it relatively vague, there are a lot of predictions that are being made or have been made a long time that seem to be coming true, as it were.

02:06:46.000 But more so, I think the demonic stuff just has me concerned, I suppose.

02:06:54.000 And I guess the way I look at this with church, outside of all of that stuff I already described, the value of having your family in church.

02:07:03.000 I remember the value that my family had having my daughter grow up around well mannered, well behaved, honorable, loyal people, I think is incredibly important.

02:07:12.000 So that's, I guess, kind of how I'm looking at it.

02:07:16.000 The cultural, communal value is massive.

02:07:19.000 My wife and I are both lapsed Catholics.

02:07:21.000 I don't consider myself a Christian, I do believe in God.

02:07:25.000 I think demons are real, and I think it's worth going back and learning more about the stuff.

02:07:29.000 And we've talked about it whether or not we should start going back just for our daughter's sake.

02:07:33.000 Yeah.

02:07:33.000 I think that's huge.

02:07:35.000 I think it really makes a difference for kids.

02:07:37.000 I know that I left faith.

02:07:39.000 Like I grew up in Boston with my dad, who was religious, and his second wife, who raised me Catholic because she was horrified when it turned out I was seven and I hadn't been baptized.

02:07:50.000 And she was like, okay, we're fixing all of this.

02:07:53.000 So I was raised Catholic by her.

02:07:55.000 And then when I moved in, With my mom after like an extremely brutal divorce between my dad and his second wife, I moved in with my mom.

02:08:04.000 And she and her husband, he's Jewish, but also they're just basically atheists.

02:08:10.000 And she had been raised Catholic, but she stopped going to church in like, I don't know, the 60s.

02:08:14.000 So that doesn't really count.

02:08:16.000 So they were basically atheists.

02:08:19.000 I ended up going to a Quaker school, which Quaker is like the atheism of Christianity, essentially, you know.

02:08:28.000 You talk about being moved by the Spirit. 0.74

02:08:30.000 There's like no real, it's sort of like fake Christianity. 1.00

02:08:34.000 But sorry, Quakers, it's just true. 1.00

02:08:36.000 You know, it's true. 1.00

02:08:38.000 But I gave up faith for a really long time because I wasn't going to church with them.

02:08:42.000 I wasn't going to church with my friends.

02:08:45.000 I didn't really know any.

02:08:46.000 There were like a couple Catholics at my school and everyone kind of like joked about it.

02:08:50.000 But I didn't come back to faith and I felt like this grief about it for decades until I was in my early 30s.

02:08:58.000 You know, so I'd go here and there because I was craving tradition and meaning.

02:09:03.000 That's a big component of it.

02:09:04.000 Yeah.

02:09:05.000 And then it was after my son was born that I was like, well, we better get the kids some religion.

02:09:10.000 Well, I've told this story where I went to go meet up with Seamus as he was getting out of Mass.

02:09:16.000 He was going to a Latin Mass.

02:09:17.000 And as I'm standing outside, as they're all getting out, I see a bunch of kids wearing their Sunday's best playing.

02:09:23.000 And I just said, compare this to like the inner city, like downtown Chicago and what kids are doing.

02:09:29.000 And I don't want my kids growing up that way.

02:09:33.000 You know, I think I was lucky that I got to grow up going to a Catholic school at least for the.

02:09:38.000 I left when I was 12.

02:09:39.000 I think I was 12.

02:09:40.000 I think that was very beneficial.

02:09:41.000 The kids who went to public school the whole time are.

02:09:44.000 They did not have a good go of things.

02:09:45.000 I mean, most of them were okay.

02:09:49.000 The kids who stayed with the Catholic schools, I wouldn't describe as.

02:09:53.000 Some of the kids also had a bad go of it just staying in the Catholic school.

02:09:58.000 Yeah.

02:09:58.000 Sure, of course.

02:09:59.000 So here's what I would say.

02:10:00.000 So a little bit about my personal story is I was 14.

02:10:07.000 I was raised.

02:10:08.000 Largely Christian.

02:10:09.000 And then my parents went through a pretty nasty divorce as well.

02:10:11.000 My dad basically said, I don't believe any of this.

02:10:13.000 He went, became not only atheist, but like extremely anti the church and anti Christian and all of this other stuff.

02:10:20.000 And all sorts of other things spiraled at that point in my life.

02:10:23.000 So, you know, still pretty much a kid.

02:10:25.000 I was 14.

02:10:27.000 And I was really left facing this question okay, well, do I believe what I thought I was supposed to believe?

02:10:33.000 But now the guy who taught me I was supposed to believe it says I shouldn't believe it.

02:10:36.000 And that's crazy.

02:10:37.000 And I felt nuts.

02:10:37.000 Yeah.

02:10:38.000 It was, it felt very nuts.

02:10:40.000 And so I was wrestling through this question of faith, and it led me to, I think you, one of y'all mentioned Lee Strobel's book, The Case for Faith.

02:10:47.000 Yeah, and now my brother asked me to read that.

02:10:48.000 Yeah, so I was 14 years old, and I started thinking, okay, I want to know what is true.

02:10:54.000 And I want to know what is true because I want to live my life under the implications of the truth.

02:10:59.000 I do not want to live my life living in a world where I'm just looking at what's best for me because I don't think that I can even get there without knowing what's true.

02:11:08.000 I want to know what's true, you know, and now I have these really conflicting.

02:11:12.000 Sides of my life that are tearing me into two different worlds.

02:11:15.000 And the question is, okay, so what's true? 0.56

02:11:18.000 So I literally set out to basically do what Lee does in that book and say, okay, what's the answer to this Christianity thing?

02:11:24.000 And so I really started working on that question in my life.

02:11:27.000 And I came back to, no, Christianity is explicitly true for many reasons.

02:11:32.000 Now I read a bunch of stuff that I read The God Delusion, which is a book by Dawkins, right?

02:11:37.000 No, it's not Dawkins.

02:11:38.000 Yeah, Richard Dawkins.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, it is.

02:11:41.000 Sorry.

02:11:42.000 And Richard Dawkins' God Delusion.

02:11:44.000 And it was a really big book for a 14 year old. 0.89

02:11:46.000 So I Got to give myself some credit there, but a bunch of other stuff that's basically why Christianity isn't true.

02:11:53.000 And I kept coming back to a couple of different things. 0.89

02:11:56.000 And here's what I came back to one, the case that Lee makes throughout his series is almost irrefutable on the evidence.

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 Two, C.S. Lewis makes a very strong argument in a book called Mere Christianity, which if nobody's read it, read Mere Christianity.

02:12:11.000 It'll, by the way, Tim, if you're like faith curious, that's probably the number one book I would tell you to go read.

02:12:15.000 Well, my thing is, I believe in God.

02:12:17.000 Um, I just don't know that I believe in the resurrection and the stories of Christians.

02:12:22.000 Okay, then go read Case for Faith because Lee deals with the book, it's basically about the historical evidence for the resurrection.

02:12:28.000 Many people who are not Christians, once you look at the historical evidence of the resurrection, it's extremely convincing.

02:12:33.000 So I would recommend that to anyone who's interested.

02:12:35.000 I suppose, without having read it, I don't have much to comment on that other than from what I learned in Catholic school and what I've known through my life.

02:12:43.000 I would just conclude the difficulty is a historical event that claims to be miraculous is still as any other historical event to me.

02:12:52.000 So, you can tell me about Genghis Khan and riding on horseback with arrows.

02:12:55.000 And I say, okay, you know, but like, so history always deviates to a certain degree.

02:12:59.000 This one is miraculous.

02:13:00.000 It still requires some evidence to convince me of this event.

02:13:03.000 So, this is, I say this even of history.

02:13:05.000 It's like, yeah, most of the history that we believe is false.

02:13:07.000 So, okay, so here's a, this is a good point on the history.

02:13:10.000 And this is quick.

02:13:10.000 And, and, uh, I'll just give it to you as a, as a sort of a, one of the things that was most convincing to me when I was wrestling with this question.

02:13:18.000 And I did wrestle for a long time.

02:13:19.000 And, uh, I'll get to the benefits here later if we have time.

02:13:22.000 But, um, What do you think the most widespread historical document is that we have the most copies of?

02:13:34.000 That's the Bible.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, the New Testament.

02:13:37.000 Do you know by how much?

02:13:39.000 Like how many manuscripts?

02:13:39.000 By how much what?

02:13:41.000 Well, it's the number one selling book of all time forever.

02:13:44.000 So, what I mean is historical manuscripts.

02:13:45.000 So, manuscripts are like things that were written on, around, or in the time period of the historical period or near to it.

02:13:53.000 Oh, yeah, there's like none.

02:13:55.000 Really?

02:13:57.000 You're asking how many.

02:13:58.000 How many manuscripts of the Bible are there?

02:13:59.000 So the first.

02:14:00.000 No, no, no.

02:14:01.000 You're asking how many books, how many historical books were written 2,000 years ago that persist today?

02:14:05.000 It's very few.

02:14:06.000 Oh, it's very few.

02:14:07.000 Yeah.

02:14:07.000 So the Bible has about 22,000 New Testament manuscripts.

02:14:11.000 Wow.

02:14:12.000 The second leading book is the Iliad, right?

02:14:16.000 Homer's the Iliad, with about 275.

02:14:20.000 So the Bible is actually the most historically robust piece of history that we have.

02:14:24.000 There's more evidence for the life of Jesus Christ than there is of Caesar Augustus.

02:14:30.000 Agreed. 0.86

02:14:32.000 Which would be shocking if Jesus were just some random Jew who led a revolt, as the secular historians would portray him.

02:14:41.000 But is not shocking if you look at history, like I said, through a spiritual lens and you say, is God working out his truth through all of humanity and trying to reveal it to all mankind so they can be saved by knowledge of the truth?

02:14:51.000 If that's what's happening, then it makes a lot of sense.

02:14:55.000 And so there are a lot of questions that go into the historical evidence of it, but the practical evidence of it is, I guess.

02:15:00.000 I looked at all this historical evidence and I said, Yes, I believe that this is true.

02:15:03.000 But the more convincing thing to me was one of the things I decided I was going to do throughout this process in my life I was going to open up the Bible and I was going to read a chapter every day.

02:15:11.000 And I just said, You know, God, I've believed that you're real.

02:15:14.000 I don't really know what I believe now.

02:15:15.000 I told you I think that you're real.

02:15:18.000 If you are real, just show me.

02:15:20.000 And so I would open up the Bible.

02:15:21.000 And I mean, this was a terrible time in my life, you know, and not to dunk on him publicly because I don't want to do that.

02:15:27.000 I love my dad and I wish him the very best.

02:15:30.000 But he started doing things that were very foreign and not good for a child, you know, in my life.

02:15:35.000 And I was watching all this and I was going through this period of my life where I'm really wrestling and I'm thinking, what, God, what is, if you're here, just show me, like show up for me.

02:15:43.000 You know, a lot of people have said this.

02:15:44.000 And so I just read the Bible, I opened it up and I read a chapter a day for about a year of my life.

02:15:49.000 And two things convinced me.

02:15:51.000 One, I read the evidence and I said, this is insurmountable.

02:15:55.000 The evidence that is for Christianity is so much greater than the evidence against it.

02:15:58.000 And two, I personally experienced when I was reading God's word that there is a deeper truth there than anything I could find anywhere else in the world.

02:16:08.000 And I have continued to experience that as true still today.

02:16:12.000 And the benefits to my life, because I've lived my life, even if I didn't believe it, I've lived my life as if that it's true.

02:16:18.000 And I've just seen immense benefit because.

02:16:22.000 I believe that it's the truth that keeps you in line.

02:16:24.000 I have a wonderful family.

02:16:25.000 I have kids.

02:16:26.000 I have four kids, by the way, and we're raising all of them in Christianity because, like Libby said, it.

02:16:32.000 You're not like doing three in and one out.

02:16:34.000 No, not three in and one out.

02:16:36.000 No, we have twins. 0.98

02:16:37.000 So, like, one of the twins is going to be a Gnostic. 0.51

02:16:41.000 And I've seen the benefit in my kids because it gives them a worldview by which they can understand all of the complex things that are going on in the world good and evil and why do these different things happen. 0.96

02:16:52.000 And so, there are a lot of benefits to your family.

02:16:54.000 The community benefit of being in the church, the church is powerful.

02:16:57.000 Having people that you can turn to that don't want anything from you, they want more for you than from you.

02:17:01.000 I mean, I tell people that all the time.

02:17:03.000 You should have people like that in your life.

02:17:04.000 Who has that in our modern culture?

02:17:06.000 It also starts to, I mean, I found I struggle with faith.

02:17:10.000 I struggle with faith a lot and I have not my whole life.

02:17:12.000 You know, I feel like faith is a gift and it's not easy, you know, to have faith.

02:17:17.000 But having faith, I think, kind of protects you from the void of meaninglessness.

02:17:24.000 Yeah.

02:17:25.000 And that's something that I struggle with a lot.

02:17:27.000 Like, I didn't read Strobel and all that stuff when I was that age, and I was struggling with it.

02:17:32.000 I started reading, like, Sartre and Camus and all of the existentialists.

02:17:35.000 Oh, God.

02:17:36.000 Yeah.

02:17:37.000 So, driving the car off the road.

02:17:39.000 Nihilism, yeah.

02:17:40.000 Basically.

02:17:42.000 But one thing I discovered eventually about the existentialists is that there is no existentialism without Christianity because the basis for existentialism is not an amorality, it's existing within a Christian framework and believing that.

02:17:58.000 Mankind is responsible for his own actions.

02:18:02.000 And that doesn't exist if it's just there's nothing.

02:18:07.000 You know, like now what we see, now we see what happens when there's nothing.

02:18:11.000 There's looted stores.

02:18:13.000 That's another big component for me as well. 0.99

02:18:17.000 The loss of Christian faith in this country has led to children getting their balls chopped off and other demonic evils. 0.99

02:18:27.000 Really evil things. 0.99

02:18:28.000 Because when the foundations are destroyed, how can it stand?

02:18:28.000 Yeah.

02:18:31.000 So here's the question I would ask. 1.00

02:18:32.000 And a million abortions a year. 0.99

02:18:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:35.000 A million.

02:18:36.000 Yeah.

02:18:36.000 And we look at all of that, and I mean, so, Here's a question I would just pose to you.

02:18:39.000 We're back in child sacrifice era.

02:18:41.000 Yeah, that's right. 0.84

02:18:42.000 By the way, there are three spirits that are seen throughout the Bible Baal, Ashtaroth, and Moloch, and they come up over and over and over again. 0.92

02:18:49.000 Baal is the worship of money and possessions and the self. 0.85

02:18:53.000 That's the one that's spelled B A A L. B A A Baal. 0.85

02:18:56.000 Ashtaroth, which is, you know, and these different gods, deities pop up in different names throughout scripture and throughout history.

02:19:03.000 Ashtaroth, which is in Greek, Aphrodite, goddess of sexual perversion, and Moloch, which is child sacrifice.

02:19:09.000 So first. 0.57

02:19:10.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:19:12.000 See, that's the shit I'm talking about. 1.00

02:19:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:19:14.000 You start out with, I want everything that I can get.

02:19:17.000 I want to get my best life, get mine while I can.

02:19:21.000 And you start to worship yourself and the things that you can get.

02:19:24.000 Does that sound like our culture?

02:19:25.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:19:26.000 And then the next thing is, well, I want to have sex with whoever I can outside of the context of marriage. 0.92

02:19:31.000 And I want to just do whatever I want to do. 0.94

02:19:32.000 Free love, baby.

02:19:33.000 Well, does that sound like our culture?

02:19:35.000 Well, what comes after that? 0.96

02:19:36.000 Unwanted children.

02:19:37.000 And so what must you do?

02:19:38.000 It's so crazy that there could be unwanted children. 0.82

02:19:42.000 You take the unwanted child and you pass it through Baal or Moloch. 0.50

02:19:45.000 Moloch is this demon god that God literally, by the way, when you look at the Old Testament, you're like, man, God is violent.

02:19:50.000 It's because he's wiping out civilizations that did stuff like this, where they would take their children that were unwanted from their sexual perversion because they worshiped Asterith and they would take them to Moloch and they would light a fire.

02:20:01.000 They would put this bronze statue in the middle of the fire and the statue had arms and they would put the baby in the searing hot arms of the fire and sacrifice the children to Moloch.

02:20:13.000 Seth Gruber is a good friend of mine, and he repeatedly points out that the most common method of abortion is the chemical abortion pill, which literally burns children alive in utero.

02:20:23.000 And so not only has the act not changed, but the methodology has not even changed.

02:20:30.000 We got to bring callers in.

02:20:31.000 Yeah.

02:20:32.000 So let's bring in Courier626. 1.00

02:20:34.000 More abortion now since the overturning of Roe.

02:20:34.000 What's up?

02:20:38.000 Demons don't like being pushed back on.

02:20:40.000 Way more.

02:20:41.000 Howdy, howdy.

02:20:43.000 Chit, chit.

02:20:43.000 What up?

02:20:44.000 What's going on, bud?

02:20:47.000 Good to be here.

02:20:48.000 Good to be here.

02:20:49.000 Long time, first time.

02:20:50.000 My question is for Mr. Daniel Hayworth.

02:20:53.000 What is your view on progressive politics and its relationship to female leadership in the church?

02:20:59.000 Like, you know, around here, we see there's a lot of like Episcopalian female leadership, lesbian pastors spreading pro abortion, pro Moloch worship, things like that.

02:21:10.000 So, how do you think the female leadership has affected the church? 1.00

02:21:14.000 The church is not meant to be led by females, and there's a reason for that. 0.92

02:21:17.000 God creates a headship that the church is supposed to mirror that's given specifically to men.

02:21:23.000 And the reason that I say that is that when God creates, he gives roles.

02:21:28.000 Now, he gives you're equal in value and worth as a man or a woman in the eyes of God.

02:21:32.000 And so you're not different because you're a man or a woman.

02:21:35.000 You're not more valuable than your wife, for instance.

02:21:37.000 But one of the things that God does is he assigns to people different roles.

02:21:41.000 And so you see this played out in marriage, and you see it played out in the church.

02:21:43.000 The church and marriage are parallel relationships.

02:21:47.000 They parallel each other.

02:21:48.000 You find that in Ephesians 5, which you can read. 0.63

02:21:52.000 And when you see churches that are elevating women to roles which God did not intend for them, you see the destruction of the church which God has created because it's out of order. 0.61

02:22:00.000 And so the church is meant to be orderly, ultimately underneath the leadership of Christ.

02:22:06.000 And so when you see that all of these people are getting promoted and they're promoting views that are anti biblical and out of order with God's word, then you would say, well, that ceases actually at that.

02:22:15.000 Point to be a church and it becomes something else.

02:22:16.000 Or maybe it's a church of some other deity, but it's not Christianity.

02:22:19.000 And that's why a lot of these denominations that have gone woke, these Episcopalians, the first thing you see is.

02:22:23.000 What do you mean it's some other deity?

02:22:26.000 Oh, so, like if you're a church with a pride flag on your steeple and you're welcoming people in, you are not a church of Christ.

02:22:34.000 You are a church that worships something else.

02:22:35.000 You're worshiping something.

02:22:36.000 Yeah, you're worshiping something that's not Christ. 1.00

02:22:39.000 Because Christ is not, in and of himself, the God of the LGBT mafia and the spirit of the age. 1.00

02:22:45.000 Those are demonic forces. 0.98

02:22:46.000 Those are, and those are.

02:22:48.000 Forces that are really alive today that want you to worship them as if they were God, but they are not God, but they've usurped the name of God in order to take upon themselves worshipers.

02:22:57.000 But that's not what Christianity is about.

02:22:59.000 Christianity is about worshiping the one who came, who was a perfect sacrifice for our sin, died on the cross, was rose from the grave, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father.

02:23:07.000 That's what Christianity is about. 0.96

02:23:09.000 If your services are about chopping off kids' genitals and affirming transgenderism and worshiping pagan sex religions, sex cults, which is what the LGBT sex cult is, then you're not a church of Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:23:23.000 Yeah, that makes sense. 0.99

02:23:23.000 Interesting. 0.99

02:23:26.000 Got any follow ups?

02:23:27.000 That was helpful.

02:23:27.000 Yeah.

02:23:31.000 Yes, I do actually.

02:23:33.000 My follow up would be since I looked at your website really quick and your first staff member listed is Pastor Lindsay Oswald.

02:23:41.000 So I was just going to wonder how do you square having a female pastor in leadership with that view that you just presented?

02:23:47.000 Yeah, none of the elders that lead our church are, and she's not over the Like she's underneath me, and I'm underneath a senior pastor, and our senior pastor's underneath a board of directors that are other pastors.

02:24:01.000 And all of that makes up the headship principle that I'm describing. 0.66

02:24:04.000 So she's equipped and empowered to do ministry because obviously there's roles in churches for ministry for women.

02:24:09.000 That's seen all throughout the New Testament church.

02:24:12.000 But she doesn't hold the headship of the church, she doesn't hold the ultimate responsibility of leading the church in the direction that it's supposed to go.

02:24:23.000 All right.

02:24:24.000 Thank you very much for your response.

02:24:25.000 I really appreciate it.

02:24:26.000 I'd just like to shout out one thing.

02:24:27.000 My mom, it's your birthday.

02:24:29.000 Happy birthday, mom.

02:24:30.000 Happy birthday.

02:24:31.000 Happy birthday.

02:24:33.000 Right on.

02:24:34.000 And thank you for letting me call.

02:24:35.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:24:36.000 Thanks.

02:24:37.000 Thanks, dude.

02:24:38.000 Next up, we've got Stork91.

02:24:38.000 All right.

02:24:41.000 What's up, Stork?

02:24:42.000 Hey, how are you doing, guys?

02:24:43.000 Hey.

02:24:45.000 I'm a little bit confused because we have a Texan on the show tonight and he's not wearing a Stetson.

02:24:50.000 So I'm very confused.

02:24:52.000 I was a cavalry officer in the Army, so I have a very nice Stetson, but it's in my closet at home.

02:24:57.000 Oh, well, you know, there you go.

02:24:59.000 But yeah, no, I was talking about AI and everything last Friday, Tim, and I had a little bit of a question from this guy, seeing as how he was born in the same hospital as I was, most likely.

02:25:10.000 What's your feeling on the encroachment and takeover of Northeast DFW?

02:25:16.000 Oh, dude.

02:25:17.000 So this is the whole thing in the series that I'm talking about. 1.00

02:25:19.000 Islam is literally taking over the West, it's a targeted thing. 1.00

02:25:22.000 You can check out Rare Foundation, which is doing excellent work on this. 1.00

02:25:26.000 Amy Mech is a good friend.

02:25:28.000 And you can check out everything that's going on there.

02:25:30.000 It's one of the biggest problems.

02:25:31.000 Our series, The Cross and the Crescent, which I wrote and my pastor, Pastor Stephen Martin, and our church as a whole have been giving away.

02:25:38.000 We've given it away to over 200 churches already, specifically addresses this issue.

02:25:43.000 And without enough time to go into detail, you can watch that.

02:25:46.000 It's at vintage.church forward slash infidel.

02:25:49.000 You can watch the whole 10 week series and get a much longer take on what I think on the issue.

02:25:52.000 But I would just say I'm against it.

02:25:53.000 I would boil my 10 week, 10 hour take down to it's bad.

02:25:58.000 You should speak up and fight out against it.

02:26:00.000 Well, a little bit more than that, though, is the Oracle laid off about 1,000 people last week in the U.S. and then hired on about 2,600.

02:26:09.000 H1B, if you will, DFW in the Texas area on H1Bs.

02:26:14.000 And so, this AI revolution over taking over companies, it doesn't seem to be fixing the companies in charge of that.

02:26:22.000 It's very confusing.

02:26:23.000 I was wondering if anybody else wants to talk on that.

02:26:25.000 Well, they should end the H1B visa program. 0.80

02:26:27.000 Yeah, period.

02:26:29.000 It has taken over DFW, though.

02:26:31.000 You're 100% right. 0.61

02:26:32.000 Islam and then also the Indian immigration plus the AI stuff that they've integrated. 1.00

02:26:37.000 It has made areas where I used to once hold dear almost unrecognizable. 1.00

02:26:42.000 So we have to combat all those things.

02:26:44.000 Like you have to walk and chew gum.

02:26:46.000 You have to deal with all of these other problems and this major problem.

02:26:50.000 Yeah.

02:26:51.000 Yeah.

02:26:52.000 I did have a follow up question.

02:26:54.000 Your church specifically calls, and this is not a Ziju's question, Dan Chill.

02:27:01.000 Your church calls for the Zionist belief in supporting the Jewish right to live in Israel and speaks on dispensationalism.

02:27:07.000 I'm wondering what your personal view on that is and just kind of how you feel about it.

02:27:14.000 So, if I understand your question right, my answer is my view on the Jewish people are that Zionism is really just that the people have a right to the homeland, the place of Israel.

02:27:24.000 That's really all that it means.

02:27:25.000 It's not this big scary thing that I think a lot of people make it out to be.

02:27:29.000 I do believe that historically, theologically, the Bible makes it pretty clear that Jesus is going to return to Israel.

02:27:36.000 He's going to return actually to Jerusalem, and it gives a very specific account.

02:27:39.000 He's going to descend on the Mount of Olives, he's going to walk through the East Gate.

02:27:42.000 There's literally a fault line on the East Wall of Jerusalem, and so you can literally see that.

02:27:48.000 I believe Christ is going to descend from heaven and he's going to stand on that mountain.

02:27:52.000 The fault line is going to split.

02:27:55.000 The gates, which no longer exist, it's a wall, are going to split open. 0.98

02:27:58.000 He's going to walk into the city of Jerusalem.

02:28:00.000 And so there's something specific and holy.

02:28:02.000 God is clearly, he's also said that the Jewish people are going to return en masse to Christ in the very last days.

02:28:11.000 That's one of the things that the Bible says about the end times.

02:28:14.000 And so you see a lot of people who are out here with the Jew hate, and I just think that has no real basis in Christianity.

02:28:21.000 You can love and pray for somebody's redemption.

02:28:24.000 In the same way, I do not hate people who are not Christian.

02:28:27.000 I pray for their redemption.

02:28:29.000 That means I can destroy the ideologies that they hold to, which hold them in the kingdom of darkness.

02:28:33.000 But I pray that every single person who doesn't know Christ turns to Him because why would I not want them to have eternal life?

02:28:40.000 But I think that the Bible is pretty clear that at a certain point, the nation that we now once again call Israel, which is the historical homeland of the Jews, is going to once again be.

02:28:53.000 Occupied not only by Jews, but by the by blood Jewish Messiah, who is Jesus Christ, who's going to come again. 0.78

02:29:00.000 I was wondering how you square that crusader cross you're wearing on your shirt with that idea, though. 0.98

02:29:05.000 Well, the first crusade was launched by Pope Urban II to fight the Muslims who went and took over the holy land of Jerusalem. 0.68

02:29:11.000 Islam actually rapidly expanded, it took over over 50% of the known Christian world in the first hundred years of Islam. 0.66

02:29:18.000 And so, in those first hundred years, Jerusalem was one of the first things it fell about 70 years after Muhammad's death. 0.90

02:29:25.000 And the Christian crusades were launched as a response to all of the violence and persecution by the Muslim hordes that were united under the caliphs in order to destroy the Christian world, which is part of their worldview, which is that one day the world will be covered by the global caliphate or the Ummah, as they call it. 0.83

02:29:41.000 And so the Crusader Cross is a representation that Christianity is not this neutered religion that you hear about by weak, skinny gened people that just sip lattes. 0.92

02:29:52.000 It's actually this deeply masculine religion about sacrifice and laying down your own life. 0.60

02:29:57.000 In order to protect what God has called good and his word and the people that hold to it, which is the story of the First Crusade, you can go look.

02:30:04.000 There's a really good book.

02:30:05.000 You can listen to our series and I talk about it there.

02:30:07.000 And then you can also read great books.

02:30:09.000 There's a scholar, Raymond Ibrahim, who has a three book series on this called Sword and Scimitar.

02:30:14.000 It's really great.

02:30:15.000 You should go read the accounts of men like Duke Godfrey of Bouillon, who literally was the one who led the First Crusade, was the first king of Jerusalem, but he wouldn't take that title.

02:30:25.000 He didn't like it.

02:30:26.000 He wanted to be the defender of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre instead.

02:30:29.000 These are great Christian men who we should have admiration for.

02:30:32.000 And so I don't know that there's anything to be squared.

02:30:36.000 I think that you square that.

02:30:38.000 I think that Jews are going to come to Christ and they're going to recognize Jesus as their Messiah in the last days.

02:30:44.000 And so I don't know that there's anything to be squared. 0.92

02:30:46.000 I don't need to go fight the Jews. 0.92

02:30:47.000 And the Crusades were never about fighting the Jews, it was always about fighting the Islamic takeover of Christendom. 0.98

02:30:52.000 Not what I meant.

02:30:53.000 I was trying to be more clarifying, essentially, in the terminology that was being used and give you a chance to steel man your position on it.

02:30:59.000 But I've taken up too much of your time.

02:31:01.000 I apologize.

02:31:02.000 I did want to say as a suggestion.

02:31:05.000 Well, you know, but Libby and Tim, especially since you have foundation in the church as well as scripture and some other things, you might want to actually look into Soren Kierkegaard, Works of Love.

02:31:15.000 It's a much better book, I think, for people who have foundation in Christianity and want to contend with some post liberal thought because the truth is that guy.

02:31:25.000 Worked out where all of this was going and how to answer a lot of those questions a long time ago.

02:31:29.000 But for some reason, outside of seminary and Bible churches, he doesn't really get a lot of that.

02:31:34.000 So go read it.

02:31:35.000 Works a lot.

02:31:36.000 Soren Kierkegaard.

02:31:37.000 Right on.

02:31:38.000 You want to shout anything out?

02:31:41.000 No, I was.

02:31:42.000 Well, I guess Savannah Hernandez got attacked outside of an ICE protest.

02:31:46.000 I guess shout out her, follow up with that, follow her. 0.97

02:31:51.000 She's doing some good work and whatnot.

02:31:52.000 I'm not familiar with everything that happened in the incident, but I've seen videos and it's pretty bad.

02:31:57.000 So.

02:31:58.000 Well, thanks for calling in, brother.

02:32:00.000 Have a good one.

02:32:01.000 All right. 1.00

02:32:02.000 Next up, we've got Weezy.

02:32:04.000 What's up, Weezy?

02:32:05.000 What's up, dude?

02:32:07.000 Hey, guys.

02:32:08.000 I appreciate the opportunity to call in.

02:32:10.000 Got a question I think that maybe you guys have more insight into than I do.

02:32:17.000 Our founding fathers were a collection of Christians and deists who set up a system that would only function for moral and religious people.

02:32:24.000 How do we bring society to accept this again? 0.98

02:32:27.000 It's like the third generation person in a business who just, it's just all there for them.

02:32:34.000 They think their morals are default and not downstream of Christian morality. 0.62

02:32:40.000 That is correct. 1.00

02:32:41.000 How do you bring them in?

02:32:45.000 Same way you would anyone else?

02:32:46.000 I don't know.

02:32:47.000 Those people are probably.

02:32:50.000 Yeah, I don't.

02:32:51.000 I have an answer for that, but I don't want to tell you.

02:32:54.000 So, okay.

02:32:55.000 So, here's.

02:32:57.000 You're 100% right.

02:32:58.000 So, one, our country is in the third phase of what happens all throughout the Bible, which is there's a generation that knows God, they walk with him closely.

02:33:06.000 Then there's a generation that knows of God, meaning you know who he was.

02:33:09.000 And then there's a generation that doesn't know God.

02:33:11.000 And we're really.

02:33:13.000 On generation three, in terms of that.

02:33:14.000 And so, the problem that you're describing is we've forgotten who we were, where we came from, the foundations that were laid.

02:33:21.000 How do we remember them?

02:33:23.000 And the only answer to that is people who have the faith have to boldly proclaim it.

02:33:28.000 And that's why, you know, Jesus says that the gates of hell won't stand against the church.

02:33:32.000 And by the way, the gates of hell have tried to stand against the church. 0.99

02:33:32.000 And he's been right. 0.99

02:33:36.000 All sorts of persecution has become the church. 0.97

02:33:38.000 Nero used to take Christians, dip them in oil, hang them upside down by their ankles in his garden, and then light them on fire for Christ.

02:33:45.000 To be candles at his dinner parties.

02:33:47.000 That's the history of the Christian church, which is that we've suffered persecution after persecution.

02:33:52.000 Nothing, we should not have survived if it wasn't for the hand of God.

02:33:56.000 But the hand of God has preserved the church because it's his.

02:33:59.000 And so, how does the church continue to be preserved?

02:34:01.000 And the answer is bold proclamation of the gospel.

02:34:03.000 The problem that we have now is a lot of the churches have gotten lukewarm and soft and they've decided not to proclaim these things.

02:34:11.000 You have to be bold in saying what the truth is.

02:34:13.000 And then, as a culture, even if you're not.

02:34:16.000 You know, sure, if you fully believe the Bible yet, we can't be hostile to Christianity.

02:34:21.000 It is the foundation of the country.

02:34:22.000 And it's like Tim was saying a second ago one of the biggest arguments for Christianity in itself is that we've lost it and in it we've gotten some pretty demonic stuff in its place.

02:34:32.000 And so, would we rather return to the place where the founders had us, where we're built upon the truth of God's word and we're appealing to heaven and to divinity and the people, moral and religious people, which is a quote from John Adams?

02:34:47.000 Is that exactly.

02:34:49.000 Where we need to return.

02:34:49.000 Yes, you're right.

02:34:50.000 How do we get there?

02:34:51.000 The only answer is that you boldly proclaim the gospel and you invite people back to the foundations, which really is the church.

02:34:58.000 That's where the, by the way, there's a pretty good movie out right now called Great Awakening.

02:35:02.000 It's a little bit lower budget, but it tells the story of George Whitefield, who's one of the pastors.

02:35:06.000 All of the people that went to the revolution went because their pastors told them this is what the Bible says you should do.

02:35:10.000 Wow.

02:35:12.000 That's what pastors need to start doing again, and people need to go back to church and get their money back. 1.00

02:35:16.000 Well, there's too many churches with, you know, gay communist flags. 1.00

02:35:19.000 That's 100% right. 1.00

02:35:20.000 Well, that's why we've By the way, so here's a cool thing.

02:35:23.000 I'm going to D.C. tomorrow with a group of pastors throughout the country who are the bold pastors who are saying the kinds of things that I'm here on the show saying that are going to pray over people who are in the administration and different and try and be that light.

02:35:36.000 But you're right, there's been a sifting in the church.

02:35:38.000 A lot of people have gone woke and soft.

02:35:41.000 And to those people, I would say return to the truth of God's word and stand boldly upon it.

02:35:46.000 Ephesians 6 is this really awesome chapter in scripture that's the full armor of God.

02:35:50.000 And it tells you all of the things that you have to do. 0.97

02:35:52.000 In order to walk out the Christian life, do those things and do them not afraid. 0.94

02:35:55.000 I'm not ashamed of the gospel because it's the power of God for salvation to anyone who believes. 0.99

02:35:59.000 I believe that.

02:36:00.000 If you really believe that, then proclaim that to the people that you know and find a church that boldly proclaims it to you and isn't afraid of being called racist or sexist or xenophobic or whatever hateful slur they want to throw at you that day.

02:36:13.000 Just preach God's word and don't be afraid.

02:36:15.000 That's how you get the country to return.

02:36:17.000 I think a spiritual revival is the only thing that can restore America now, and I pray for it every single day.

02:36:23.000 Do you think it's happening?

02:36:24.000 I do.

02:36:24.000 I actually do.

02:36:25.000 You guys would be shocked at the number of people I've seen come to Christ this year.

02:36:29.000 I mean, the month after Charlie died, our church across three locations runs about 2,500 or 3,000 people a week.

02:36:40.000 The month after Charlie died, we baptized, not just people who said, Hey, I want to fall after Christ, like literally dunked him in the water, got him up.

02:36:50.000 We baptized hundreds of people.

02:36:52.000 In my church, we've seen a lot of people coming in during Lent, which is when you can fast track to Catholicism.

02:36:59.000 Yeah.

02:37:00.000 That's correct.

02:37:01.000 Yes.

02:37:02.000 You get baptized, you do the whole thing.

02:37:04.000 It's like soup to nuts, you know, it's like a whole program.

02:37:07.000 But we've seen a lot of people coming in to do the whole thing, you know, straight through baptism to confirmation to be part of the.

02:37:14.000 Church and like every Sunday, it's been the father standing up there and being like, you know, and we'd like to welcome all of these people.

02:37:23.000 The church was already packed, and lately I go and I have to like park on the grass somewhere, you know, there's like because I'm always right on time, I'm never early.

02:37:32.000 But like, well, hey, listen, I'm not late, which is actually a huge deal because I'm usually late to everything.

02:37:38.000 Being late is disrespectful, I have to park on the grass.

02:37:40.000 Good, I hope more churches are like that.

02:37:43.000 Every single one of our locations is going through a building project right now because we need more room.

02:37:47.000 Have you ever gone to the Latin Mass?

02:37:50.000 Yeah, I actually went to a Latin Mass in Nashville with Mary Morgan.

02:37:55.000 I went, well, I went to one in, there's one in Charlestown. 0.98

02:37:58.000 Yeah, it's sick.

02:38:01.000 It's so sick.

02:38:02.000 Yeah, I was actually so moved that Mary invited me to go to Mass with her.

02:38:06.000 And so I went, and it was really.

02:38:08.000 She invited Sarah and I.

02:38:09.000 And it was like, seriously, it is like, and we've gone to the same church that you go to, like, we've gone a couple times, but the Latin Masses, like, I mean, Do you ever do the Sunday at 11?

02:38:09.000 Yeah.

02:38:21.000 No joke.

02:38:22.000 No, no.

02:38:23.000 But there's just something extra cool about them.

02:38:26.000 It's like you don't usually think of church as cool, right?

02:38:30.000 Like, just generally, that's not one of the words that you would use to describe going to church.

02:38:35.000 Um,

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