Joe Biden has pardoned his son, Hunter Biden, and Democrats are defending it. What does this mean for the future of the Democratic Party? And why should they be defending it? We talk about it all on this week s episode of The Cenk Uygur Show.
00:00:28.000And there is a coming civil war in the Democratic Party over who is going to be in charge and whether or not they're going to eliminate the leftist elements, whether they're going to go more moderate, whether the establishment is going to double down, and who is the future of this party.
00:00:42.000Jon Stewart is coming out and roasting Democrats for the hypocrisy on the Hunter Biden pardon.
00:00:47.000You've got Bill Maher going in his podcast with Jane Fonda saying he may quit because he can't do this.
00:00:52.000And he said some other things I'm not going to repeat.
00:00:54.000And then, of course, we've got many liberal personalities that either had been calling out the Democrats in the lead up to the 2024 election because they knew Biden was losing his mind or my favorite, the pundits who flipped on a dime.
00:01:06.000The moment Trump and the Republicans won, now all of a sudden they're being critical and they're realizing maybe I was being lied to.
00:01:12.000So we're going to talk about that plus a whole lot more.
00:01:15.000There was crazy news coming out of South Korea.
00:01:17.000We don't really know exactly what happened, but there was martial law declared and then it was lifted.
00:01:21.000And then Donald Trump's nomination for the DEA has, well, he's resigned his nomination after a massive backlash over his arrest of a pastor during COVID lockdowns.
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00:02:24.000Everybody knows who you are, but, you know, you got to introduce yourself.
00:02:27.000Yeah, well, host of the Young Turks, founder of the TYT Network, also founder of Justice Democrats, Wolfpack, Cavalry Pack, ran for president, as you know, and an overall trouble causer.
00:02:49.000I'm a field correspondent and Jewish affairs correspondent here at TimCast News.
00:02:54.000Tomorrow, I'm actually going to be checking out a protest outside of the Supreme Court where we'll be hearing oral arguments in a major fight over Tennessee's ban on so-called gender-affirming care for minors.
00:04:13.000Doesn't want to spend the rest of his life visiting his son in prison.
00:04:16.000Republicans can't wait with this shit all the time.
00:04:19.000I'm sure the pardon is a narrowly written, precisely drawn, farewell note of compassion for a loved one.
00:04:27.000The pardon sweeping, covering offenses that Hunter Biden, quote, has committed or may have committed or taken part in over the past 11 years.
00:04:50.000So you get the point, because we've talked about this.
00:04:53.000But what I find largely interesting here is the audience laughing, Jon Stewart expressing his incredulity, I suppose, at the notion of an 11-year pardon.
00:05:06.000There's another story I can easily bring up here to make this point.
00:05:09.000Charlemagne Tha God says Democrats have lost the moral high ground after Hunter Biden pardoned.
00:05:14.000And also, he previously said that he felt like the Democrats were lying to him.
00:05:17.000So we're seeing a break in multiple parts for the Democratic establishment, the party and its media apparatus.
00:05:24.000Prominent liberal personalities saying, I think I was lied to.
00:05:27.000Prominent personalities having called them out the year or longer before all this is going on, like you, Cenk, and even running for president saying Biden can't win.
00:05:36.000And now Jon Stewart, people like Bill Maher, all acting like, I'll just put it this way, many personalities saying, all of a sudden, hey, we feel like we are being lied to.
00:05:45.000Ezra Klein coming out and saying this.
00:05:46.000And the big question then is, what does the Democratic Party turn into?
00:05:50.000Is it going to go far left, AOC squad, or is it going to go establishment, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, or is there something else?
00:08:50.000And look, I agree with them on a lot of policies.
00:08:53.000Well, I mean, do they—hold on, you said they mean what they say, but they were saying that Joe Biden was great, and then they also said that, you know, until Kamala Harris came in, do you think they meant that, or were they lying then?
00:09:04.000Yeah, so I do genuinely wonder about that, right?
00:09:08.000So did they really get themselves to believe that Joe Biden was young and dynamic and the best possible candidate for the Democratic Party, which I always said was the biggest insult you could give to the Democratic Party, to say that a guy whose brain was falling out of his ear is the best candidate we have in the whole country?
00:09:41.000And the excuse that they have, and they get themselves to believe, is, wait, if we show any dissension, it helps Trump.
00:09:50.000Doesn't this kind of speak to the NPC meme, though?
00:09:53.000Like, if these people are saying, you know, Joe Biden is this, blah, blah, blah, and then as soon as Kamala Harris says, you know, or Kamala Harris is the nominee, they just switch right out.
00:10:02.000It really does kind of just, it is emblematic of that whole meme where it's like, just the new download changes their opinion, right?
00:10:10.000And if that's the case, can you trust them?
00:10:11.000The thing with Democrats, though, is their best thing is unity, right?
00:10:15.000Their best thing is providing a solid front.
00:10:17.000They're like parents when the kid sneaks out and one of them said it was okay or something, you know what I mean?
00:10:22.000Like they team up and they get together and so they're hard to crack because of that.
00:10:27.000The old stereotype is Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line.
00:11:26.000What that means is, our donors picked Hillary Clinton, our donors picked Joe Biden, so shut up, okay?
00:11:32.000All you rascally annoying populists and stuff like that, and with your stupid Bernie Sanders, no donor even approves of Bernie Sanders, okay?
00:11:59.000And her response was, I have no take on that.
00:12:01.000I'll have to, I'll have to think about it.
00:12:02.000And certainly I'm not requiring every single personality ever to know everything, but this is an example of, I can't possibly answer with the Democratic Party line live on TV.
00:12:13.000You'll have to give me a few minutes to consult.
00:12:29.000If you took the average conservative and put them on TV and asked them a question, they're going to say something.
00:12:33.000They're going to have some kind of opinion on it or whatever.
00:12:35.000And I think this goes to the bigger picture of...
00:12:39.000And I'll say, all these liberal personalities have been complaining about it.
00:12:42.000Even David Pakman's complaining about it.
00:12:44.000Conservatives are knocking on the door to come on your show, and liberals are like, let me talk with our PR people and see if we can make something happen, and they don't do it.
00:12:50.000No, no, can I just address that real quick?
00:13:25.000Like, even if you're a left-winger or you're a Democrat, you're going to get a much tougher interview out of the Young Turks than you are out of Joe Rogan.
00:13:32.000And that's why she was such a knucklehead for not doing the Rogan interview.
00:13:36.000Well, you know what Joe's going to do.
00:13:48.000So that's why the Jen O'Malley Dillons and stuff, she's not We're going to ask follow-up questions and be like, hey, why did you turn down hundreds of millions of dollars in earned media and free media?
00:14:23.000And I could ask 10, 20 super tough questions like that and they'll never, ever go on a show that asks them those questions because they don't have answers to those questions.
00:14:57.000If you want to talk about liars, the Pod Save America guys, I think that they probably got deluded in their own minds into thinking, oh, Joe Biden's 34 or 44, I can't tell, right?
00:15:08.000Okay, but Jen O'Malley Dillon knows exactly how senile Joe Biden was.
00:15:12.000She had conversation after conversation.
00:15:15.000Everyone on that campaign knew that he has massive mental decline.
00:15:51.000They have abandoned their antiwar stance.
00:15:53.000And if Democrats are going to get any credibility back, they have to return to their roots and actually have values.
00:15:59.000It's been a shifting sands of like whatever seems fashionally progressive since Obama.
00:16:04.000I don't know how this version of the Democratic Party recovers.
00:16:07.000The narrative they keep pushing about where's the Democrat version of Joe Rogan or my favorite was when Wired said there's no there's no Democrat Ben Shapiro, Stephen Crowder or so help us a Tim Pool.
00:16:19.000And I'm like, Joe Rogan was a Bernie bro.
00:16:22.000And I donated the maximum to two different Democrats in the 2020 cycle.
00:16:27.000But the Democrats, in my view, totally nuts.
00:16:29.000I started doing conservative media when I was still a registered Democrat.
00:16:33.000because that's where I could have free speech.
00:16:37.000That's where I could openly discuss things.
00:16:39.000It wasn't possible in Democrat media at all.
00:16:42.000I'll give you one quick example before you jump in.
00:16:47.000I think many of the prominent voices in the liberal media space are just outright lying.
00:16:52.000It's dominated by the corporate press, of course.
00:16:54.000And my favorite example, to give the man his wonderful shout-out that he's always begged for, Sam Seder, when he comes on this show, when we invite him here...
00:17:03.000I shouldn't say he asked me, but we were discussing abortion, and I told him I was pro-choice.
00:17:08.000He throws a hypothetical at me, rants about how I want women to undergo rape trials or something to prove that they were raped, and then literally says on the show, that's the clip I was trying to get.
00:17:18.000And I'm like, okay, if that is the, not the, but maybe a driving force in the alternative media space, and then the corporate press is just lying about every single thing that's going on, Joe Biden is fizz a fiddle and strong as a young man, then me, I'm just out.
00:18:22.000That's why we're popular, because we don't do your propaganda, right?
00:18:26.000So they're like, no, but we just want to pay for someone to be super popular and just tell us that Joe Biden is young and Kamala Harris doesn't have talking points and the donors are not in charge, etc.
00:23:52.000I'm sorry, I don't remember if it was illegal or outside the rules of the Democratic Party, but it was definitely outside the rules.
00:23:58.000I think a lot of people cite in 2020 that because a lot of the different mainstream candidates decided to drop out at the same time as likely for a cabinet...
00:25:45.000And the way the right views it is that he's saying the fraud they have committed is allowing them to terminate all the rules in the Constitution.
00:26:18.000The right perspective is he's saying the actions that have been taken allow in general for these people to basically violate the rules of the Constitution.
00:26:40.000Well, Biden said he was young and dynamic, but he meant he was old and senile.
00:26:44.000It would be like saying precedent from the Supreme Court would allow us to do X, Y, or Z. Not saying that you intend to do it or want to do it, but the actions taken by the Supreme Court are allowing the states to do something.
00:26:53.000So when the left says the overturning of Roe v.
00:26:56.000Wade is going to allow for women to be put in red dresses and caps, they're not advocating for the Handmaid's Tale.
00:27:02.000They're saying a court precedent would allow for something like this to happen.
00:27:06.000That's the perspective from conservatives, and that's why when you say...
00:27:09.000Wait, no, no, I don't get it at all, Tim.
00:27:11.000How in the world is Trump saying a massive fraud like this means that you terminate all rules and regulations of the Constitution and articles of the Constitution?
00:27:19.000How is that interpreted as he thinks the left is saying it?
00:27:26.000The Supreme Court issuing a ruling on Roe v. Wade.
00:27:28.000If a Democrat said this allows for women to be forced to give birth, that's not a Democrat saying they want to force women to give birth, is it?
00:27:38.000Trump is saying that because of the fraud against him, we should consider or do terminate all rules, regulations, and articles of the Constitution.
00:28:05.000You're just looking at it and go, okay, I'm going to read it in backwards.
00:28:08.000So if Bernie said that, I'd be done with him in a second, in one second flat.
00:28:12.000Any politician I support says, oh, maybe we should, oh, there was something, oh, you're getting justice against me, let's terminate the Constitution.
00:28:38.000So conservatives can take that and go, okay, I wish to interpret it as him talking about the left, even though he says it's about him and the fraud against him.
00:28:48.000You can wish a sentence to mean anything you want, but that's what it means.
00:28:51.000And guys, what are we, pretending that he didn't try to steal the election?
00:29:22.000When somebody says, I'm going to terminate the Constitution, when someone says, oh, I don't have real electors, I have fake electors.
00:29:27.000When somebody says, I'm not going to pardon my son and then pardons my son, we're dealing with politics and all of these guys are full of liars.
00:29:58.000So there's a giant difference between, hey, I disagree with you, or you did something really wrong, and I'd like to end the country by ending our Constitution and our democracy.
00:30:07.000So to Tim's point, whether you guys agree with me or not, whether the right wing agrees with me or not, that was my concern, okay?
00:30:46.000Like, do you mean our type of democracy as a republic or just in general?
00:30:50.000Liberal democracy is a general colloquial term we use for countries like the United States and our system of governance, and that's what I'm for.
00:30:57.000Democracy and this idea that majority rules doesn't make sense.
00:31:01.000As the famous saying goes, democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for lunch.
00:31:07.000A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
00:31:09.000There has to be some chance for minority representation, and that's what we have in a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.
00:31:18.000And so when I say democracy, if someone doesn't understand the blanket term of what democracy is, they assume you're saying, I want fascism or something, which is not the case.
00:31:27.000I want a system of guaranteed civil rights, a degree of free market, but I believe there should be government regulation to a certain degree.
00:31:34.000And I like how we have a system that balances the interests of the minority and the majority in different ways.
00:31:55.000So, like, DC and Puerto Rico happen to be more progressive, Democratic-leaning now, but if they were Republican-leaning, we could still have a conversation about whether...
00:32:05.000Yeah, but you could see how Republicans think it's, like, an obvious partisan play where they're just trying to get four more senators.
00:32:09.000Yeah, but the Electoral College is obviously partisan horse crap at this point.
00:32:13.000It should be, you know, fixed and amended.
00:32:15.000So that's why it's hard to take your arguments about democracy seriously when you're...
00:32:18.000Because you don't care about democracy.
00:32:52.000So you want to call it a republic, you want to call it a democracy, I'm good with all of that as long as we don't end the Constitution, we don't end our democracy, we don't end our civil rights protected by the Bill of Rights, protected by the Constitution, etc.
00:33:06.000Then we can have arguments about, hey, do we admit Alaska and Hawaii?
00:33:10.000Well, Alaska's Republican and Hawaii's Democrat.
00:33:20.000So just the way that you frame the argument about state senators and stuff like that implies that the number of people in the state matters.
00:34:26.000But if there was more blue states that were tiny and giant red states, the reverse of what we have now, I guarantee you, every one of you would be making it, this is outrageous!
00:35:02.000Here's the problem is the 17th Amendment, because if Jenk's view is that the senators are representing the people, that's not wrong since the 17th.
00:35:11.000It used to be that your state legislatures would appoint people to represent the state's interests, and then we changed it in the early 1900s.
00:35:30.000300,000 poor people, a lot of migrant workers and farmers live there.
00:35:34.000I went to these farms and they were drilling thousands, tens of thousands of feet down into the earth for groundwater so they could water their crops because the drought had been very severe.
00:35:42.000I went to the home of a poor migrant family that they harvested crops.
00:37:01.000In a system of direct democracy within the state, it was put to a vote and the cities with majorities said, we want the water for the cities, not for the people where the water came from.
00:37:12.000So if you try to figure out a way to balance this, looking at a national level, what happens if you go to a state like Montana that's about to be inducted and given statehood and we say, we're going to do everything popular vote.
00:37:22.000Montana goes, you're going to come in here and you're going to vote to take out all of our water from us.
00:38:35.000And so it is what it is, and that's not a reason to take down democracy.
00:38:40.000So what I'm worried about is this dangerous talk of, well, some people don't like what the government concluded, so maybe we shouldn't do majority rule.
00:39:24.000No, for example, the way that California was built in the first place is they brought the water from Northern California to Southern California.
00:39:29.000Now, in that time, there was enormous corruption.
00:41:09.000My politics align with, like, I supported Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, and I supported Bernie Sanders in 2016. In 2020, I thought he was too old, but I generally liked him to a certain degree.
00:41:23.000And I met a lot of people in 2015 and 2016 who were Bernie supporters who, when he got knocked out, flipped for Trump because of border policy and workers' rights policy.
00:41:32.000So it's crazy now that we're at this point—and that's what I was saying earlier about how the Democrat recovers if— I'm the person who in 2020 was saying, please save the Democratic Party because I'm not a Republican.
00:41:44.000I don't agree with them on a lot of things.
00:41:52.000All of these people who were Democrats, who were either a little bit progressive or just moderately liberal, are now aligned with the Republican Party.
00:42:00.000Yeah, so a couple of interesting things in there.
00:42:02.000First of all, that's a wide range of people, and they all have different motives and different thoughts, etc.
00:42:07.000So RFK Jr. was definitely a Democrat, and we would have stayed a Democrat if the Democratic Party didn't push him out, right?
00:42:13.000Tulsi, I think, was always going to go right-wing.
00:45:28.000Writes this long substack, I think it was a substack, about Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor in Ukraine, had a dozen, 12 to 14 open investigations into the CEO of Burisma, Michael Slachewski.
00:45:40.000And then I come out and make a video and go, whoa, Matt Taibbi has got these documents.
00:45:45.000Viktor Shokin signed a sworn affidavit that he was fired because of Joe Biden coming in and making these threats.
00:45:54.000But that's all they ever say about me.
00:45:56.000If I come out and say anything policy-wise, like I'll say, oh, I'm for a form of universal basic health care where I think if you've got like a broken bone or the flu, you should be able to be treated.
00:46:05.000I think there should be some kind of welfare system that covers this.
00:49:22.000I care that they held him accountable.
00:49:25.000Hold on, let me just finish that thought.
00:49:28.000So if they hold him accountable on the DEA guy, what I'm hoping is that they're going to hold him accountable on some of the other picks if it goes wrong, right?
00:49:38.000We might disagree here, but I think there's Team Israel, which is Marco Rubio, Lee Stefanik, Mike Huckabee, and Mike Walls.
00:49:45.000They're done to satiate Miriam Adelson, who gave him $137 million.
00:49:50.000So now Trump says, let's give the Palestinians even more hell.
00:51:07.000For example, they're like, no, it didn't come from the Wuhan lab.
00:51:12.000This virus broke out right next to one of the biggest virus labs in the world, but we think it was from an armadillo or whatever they thought it was, right?
00:52:02.000Is that the main point of difference we have?
00:52:08.000Society, especially in a democracy with civil rights, etc., is a balancing act between the individual and the community.
00:52:15.000Sometimes the community wants something, but that hurts the individual rights, and sometimes you protect individual rights, but that hurts the community, right?
00:53:35.000And so in the case of COVID, in the beginning, it seemed so viral that, yeah, I agreed with you should wear masks outside, and you want to contain the number of people in a house, yeah.
00:53:46.000Now, at some point, it got absurd, right?
00:54:05.000I don't think that's a left-right thing.
00:54:07.000Trump was the one who came out and said two weeks to slow the spread and initiated the push for lockdowns in the first place.
00:54:13.000I think the issue was when BLM was protesting and rioting during COVID, the media and prominent personalities were like, this actually slowed the spread.
00:54:21.000You also had a whole bunch of doctors come out and sign a letter saying that racism was a bigger health threat than COVID.
00:54:28.000And then you also had Andrew Cuomo saying, you know, if you're going out to protest for BLM, then that's okay, but otherwise you need to stay home.
00:54:38.000And then you had 10,000 people out front of the Brooklyn Museum, you know, protesting for black trans lives, and the rest of us were supposed to stay home because we weren't doing that.
00:55:15.000A new wide-ranging study finds that trust in news has fallen further in countries where television news use has declined, as well as in countries where more people are turning to social media for news.
00:58:46.000And the fact that they write it as if they're writing an objective piece, right, with the exact opposite interpretation is what is maddening.
00:58:54.000And so that's what I mean by the establishment prison.
00:58:59.000Talking points and a certain group think, and they're going to shove that down your throat.
00:59:04.000And unfortunately these days, and what I'm greatly frustrated by the Democratic Party, and that's why I want to reform it, is that yes, it's more true of Democrats these days.
00:59:13.000And that is why they get confused on the pardon, right?
00:59:16.000Because to answer your question, guys, they...
00:59:20.000No, they really believed everything Joe Biden says.
00:59:23.000So when Joe Biden said he wasn't going to pardon his son, the mainstream Democratic voters thought, oh, that means that Joe Biden's a saint.
01:00:56.000Populist agreeing against the establishment.
01:00:59.000I'm trying to have a little bit of nuance here because I feel like you use the establishment as a catch-all when there are multiple different interests at play and they're often against one another.
01:01:07.000So, for example, we'll call Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden both the establishment.
01:01:37.000The establishment is too catch-all, and there are multiple different interests, powerful interests at play, and they're often antithetical to one another.
01:02:13.000So when Matt Gaetz and Josh Hawley stopped taking corporate PAC money, they then introduced anti-corruption bills, anti-war bills, and I said, there you go.
01:02:22.000You stop taking corporate PAC money, and so I still have huge disagreements with Matt Gaetz and Hawley on other things, but at least they got honest on that front, right?
01:02:30.000That puts them in the populist camp rather than the establishment camp.
01:02:33.000And so if there's a delineation, the best delineation is probably corporate PAC money.
01:02:38.000And so in terms of Pelosi and Biden, that is a super rare thing.
01:02:57.000Because here we are, me and a couple of other people saying, Biden is not young, this is terrible, etc.
01:03:04.000But we're not going to win that fight.
01:03:06.000We need to push, push, push until someone like Pelosi and behind the scenes Obama said, yeah, no, he's too old.
01:03:13.000I think there's more infighting behind the establishment and it's an easy attack.
01:03:15.000Talking about media, one of the things I wanted to ask you is...
01:03:20.000We can see the establishment media, they're lying and all these things.
01:03:23.000But I've got some issues with things that you guys have reported in the past pertaining to me.
01:03:27.000And I think there's liars on the right in the independent media space.
01:03:31.000There are people, there was one video where, this is a couple months ago, I noticed that we were featured on the front page of YouTube, default, not signed in or whatever.
01:04:08.000And I'm like, wow, they made a fake debate between us.
01:04:12.000And so certainly I think there's a lot of fake news going all around.
01:04:16.000But I was going to first ask about, you know, Anna Kasparian.
01:04:19.000She was saying that after she got assaulted by this homeless guy, not only was she called racist, but she saw these other progressive channels were making things up about her and lying about her.
01:04:30.000So my response was, yes, this is what we see from the larger left space.
01:04:35.000An example I have from you guys, and it's not the biggest news story in the world or anything, but just one example off the top of my head, is that There were five different studies that came out that said conservatives are more attractive than liberals on average.
01:04:46.000And you guys did, I think, three different videos about me.
01:04:51.000And in it, in one with Nando Villa, who I know, and Anna, who I know, they insulted me, called me ugly, said I was wrong.
01:05:00.000Having nothing to do with news, this is what I get from progressive media when I was 100% dispassionate and correct.
01:05:09.000We had a study that came out as a story from like the Washington Post that said conservatives tend to be more attractive.
01:05:13.000And I said, this is why you'll tend to see conservatives being fiercely independent and meritocratic because people who are more attractive go through life.
01:05:27.000Liberals who tend to be less attractive say it's hard to live without support groups and they band together.
01:05:32.000That's actually what multiple studies have found.
01:05:34.000The response I got from you guys was three different segments where I was called ugly, stupid, gross, crooked teeth, putting up ugly pictures of me.
01:05:49.000So number one, look, Tim, we went through this last time I was on the show, too.
01:05:55.000So, brother, I don't agree with your interpretation, and I think that it's kind of self-serving to say our side is more attractive, and I know that you think...
01:06:26.000But back then, we were more entrenched warfare, right?
01:06:30.000And so back then, and the reason why a lot of the right wing has a completely skewed version of me is because people take clips and Usually out of context.
01:06:41.000Or you're doing a big long segment and they'll take a 5 second clip, a 30 second clip, a 15 second clip, etc.
01:06:46.000And that's all the other side ever sees.
01:06:48.000So we see all of your whatever is the right wing points of view, right?
01:06:53.000We don't see any of the left wing stuff.
01:06:55.000We don't see any of the independent stuff.
01:06:56.000Because that didn't make the news, right?
01:06:58.000So for me, same thing for right-wing media.
01:07:00.000They will show you stuff that they think is outrageous, but they're not going to show you all the times that I said, oh, it's probably from the Wuhan lab, Biden is too old, whatever, all those things, right?
01:07:09.000So that's why we started getting a crazy skewed view of all of us, of each other, right?
01:07:15.000So part of what Anna and I are doing now is we're trying to break down those walls, right?
01:07:45.000Because part of the reason why we were making fun of each other and insulting each other and doing all this stuff is because we were so separated.
01:07:52.000We stopped thinking of each other as fellow citizens, fellow Americans.
01:07:57.000And so for the left, I'm trying to break that down.
01:08:34.000So we're trying to break down the walls and have these conversations.
01:08:37.000To that point, that's something that we actually have, or at least I have, and I've heard Tim mention it as well, that we try to do or want to see happen because...
01:08:46.000I believe that the craziness that has come from the left is from the extreme left and not from the normal kind of moderate left.
01:08:54.000And there was a time in the United States where people on the left or people that were left-leaning and people that were right-leaning could go to barbecues together and hang out together and do normal things that weren't political without trying to kill each other or without actually hating each other.
01:09:11.000That kind of stuff starts by coming back to the fact that we're all Americans, we all want what's best for the country, or at least that's the common ground we should be able to find.
01:09:21.000And if you can talk to people that actually do want what's best for the country, best for the people of America, then you can actually start to have a more civil political discourse in the country.
01:09:32.000And it's something, again, I've talked about this a bunch of times, and it's something that's, in my opinion, necessary because as much as everyone talks about the meme of civil war, I've talked about we need an off-ramp.
01:09:43.000And the off-ramp is being able to talk to people without getting at other people's throats.
01:09:49.000And that's something me and Tim have talked about a bunch.
01:09:50.000I think you being here, it's a major win.
01:09:59.000But when we can have these conversations, we can pull up stories, we can discuss them, we can disagree on what they mean, like the Trump constitution thing.
01:10:07.000You say, oh, you're crazy, you're wrong, but we're here.
01:10:28.000And so, but what I've seen is that, first of all, the Trump base changed.
01:10:33.000I'm the only one on the left saying that.
01:10:35.000And I'm so curious to see if I'm right or wrong, because your only time is going to tell when Trump does something the base doesn't like, is he tested, etc., etc., right?
01:10:46.000But more importantly, when I started seeing, exactly to your point about the Civil War, not only did a big percentage of the right wing want to separate, like Marjorie Taylor Greene was saying, but then in the polls I started seeing, wait a minute, a huge percentage of Democrats want to separate.
01:12:36.000I mean, it's just Crystal Ball saying, you know, I'm blackpilled because, you know, Tim Pool took shady money and was told to push propaganda or whatever, which is completely fake.
01:13:19.000I own the company 100%, and we licensed distribution, not exclusively to one company that was run out of Tennessee by a prominent conservative podcaster who worked for The Blaze.
01:13:39.000Well, there's a DOJ indictment alleging that RT employees had funneled money through Shell Companies to Lauren Chen, which she then used to pay out multiple personalities that she had signed agreements with.
01:13:50.000I don't know about the agreements of any other people, but the question I asked of Sam Cedar and I ask of you, you have sponsors on the Young Turks?
01:13:58.000Do you ask them where they get their funding from?
01:14:02.000When a company comes to you and says, hey, we want to license a segment from your show, do you say, hold on, I've got to figure out what company is providing the funding, what's your revenue sources?
01:16:03.000When you look at Call Her Daddy selling for $100 million, Joe Rogan for selling for $250 million, Travis Kelsey selling for $100 million, are those crazy numbers in the podcast industry?
01:16:14.000So if Tim Pool, who hosts the largest live show, Primetime on YouTube, is approached by someone to license a new show, there's going to be a premium rate comparable to any other podcast.
01:16:25.000Whether or not I negotiate something or not, all of it goes through lawyers.
01:16:29.000I own the production company outright.
01:16:30.000For Crystal Ball to then fabricate this, or maybe she just doesn't know what she's talking about, that I was told to do things, it's an absurdity, it's not correct.
01:16:38.000My point ultimately in bringing it up is when she propagates this disinformation, which seeks to discredit me and this show, it's just not true.
01:16:47.000We did a license agreement with a company.
01:16:49.000I mean, look, someone from The Blaze comes to us and says, hey, we got a VC. I ask who it is.
01:20:40.000So in his case, the reason why the numbers are huge is because...
01:20:45.000There was a competition in the podcast market, Spotify, Sirius, and others, where they were trying to establish market position.
01:20:51.000And when they do that, just like Amazon did in the beginning, you lose money in the beginning, and then you make a lot more once you've established market position.
01:20:58.000So that was the theory as to why they were paying giant numbers for podcasts that they couldn't recoup.
01:21:04.000And by the way, most of those deals, they did not recoup.
01:21:08.000They lost money on most of those deals.
01:21:10.000So right now we're in what's called upfronts.
01:21:15.000What I'm hearing, like we've basically got bidding wars going on, the contract.
01:21:20.000That's why I try to be careful because we do contract negotiations.
01:21:23.000And like I've largely just done Casper and we've promoted ourselves, make our own companies, control our own IP. But to sort of advance the conversation, I just keep harping on us.
01:21:33.000Since Donald Trump won and all of the media has been reporting that this is the podcast presidency, But advertisers are telling us YouTube is the number one space now.
01:21:47.000And so what we're likely going to see into next year is I think you guys are going to break the bank.
01:21:52.000I think Young Turks will probably skyrocket.
01:21:54.000The things we're hearing, what's happening now is Rachel Maddow, she was getting $30 million, then she gets $25 million because they have to pull her salary down.
01:22:03.000But MSNBC, their latest ratings, I think, I don't know if it was prime time or whatever, it was $38,000 in the key demo.
01:22:09.000You probably, you could make a video of you just gardening and get more views than that in the key demo.
01:22:17.000So the advertisers first were going to podcasts like Apple, Spotify, and they're like, audio podcast listeners are deeply engaged, so there's a premium on the CPMs, like how much they're going to pay per thousand viewers.
01:22:28.000And what I'm hearing now from everybody is YouTube has officially taken over.
01:23:00.000And what we're going to see is, for better or for worse, whatever people might think, Young Turks is going to be able to hire 100 new employees in the next year or two as advertisers start coming around and saying, this is obviously where the space is at.
01:23:12.000And we're going to see the creation of massive networks with huge stars with huge salaries emerging.
01:23:18.000So ask yourself, how do they pay Hannity, you know, like, what does he get, like, 30 to 60 million?
01:23:31.000Now it's all going away and the independent channels are going to start taking pieces of that pie as advertisers look for ways to sell products.
01:23:37.000And a lot of people don't have cable either.
01:23:39.000Like if I want to watch an MSNBC segment on my phone, I have to log in with my TV provider.
01:23:51.000So let me give you a general business sense of it.
01:23:54.000So all the things you just said about the advertising space, that's where we agree most, right?
01:24:00.000So first of all, with television, they used to have 100 million subscribers.
01:24:05.000So MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News would range from $1 to $4 per month per subscriber.
01:24:12.000So that means they were taking in $100 to $400 million a month Whoa!
01:24:17.000A month, just from subscribers doesn't count advertisers.
01:24:21.000Subscribers are a bigger part of their business than advertisers were, and now their average age for all the cable news guys is around 70 years old.
01:24:28.000Like, they do those shows out of a senior citizen center, okay?
01:24:31.000And yet the rest of the mainstream media is like, they're the most important, they're the most important!
01:24:35.000Like, if we all had audiences that had an average age of 70, what would mainstream media say?
01:24:40.000They'd be like, they're irrelevant, they're garbage, they're just for old people, who cares, right?
01:24:44.000They're so biased they can't see straight.
01:24:47.000So now that they've gone from 100 million to 60 million subscribers, they just lost 40% of their main revenue source.
01:26:56.000And they're moving the population down south.
01:26:59.000When you move a giant population and you starve them and you kill them and on and on and on, that is a genocide.
01:27:08.000So just because I want to see if you're being, you know, morally consistent with this, do you think the Russians are genociding Ukrainians?
01:27:15.000So I'm 100% against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
01:29:26.000They didn't have a military installation.
01:29:28.000Of course they didn't, because they're insurgents.
01:29:30.000So they were hiding among their civilians, so we had to kill their civilians.
01:29:34.000The Ottoman explanation was nearly identical to the Israeli explanation.
01:29:40.000They're both genocides, and both are justified by, yeah, but they didn't have uniforms on, and we moved them to a more convenient place so they would be safer.
01:30:18.000Not speaking your own language is not genocide.
01:30:20.000You probably know better than me, but tens of thousands of Kurds were killed and ethnically cleansed in a different part of Turkey, and you don't think that qualifies as a genocide?
01:30:27.000I don't stipulate to those facts at all.
01:30:29.000I think that what the Turkish government was doing in setting different rules was wrong, but they changed that.
01:30:35.000Kurds vote in Turkish elections, they can get elected.
01:30:37.000Arab Israelis vote in Israeli elections.
01:33:47.000And there are certainly many disparaging comments as well, but hey man, we've got to open up the doors and we've got to do this, so I appreciate it.
01:34:24.000If D.C. and Puerto Rico are added— You want to give statehood to Puerto Rico, is that what you're saying?
01:34:28.000In D.C.? So first of all, Puerto Rico has, if they want statehood and they vote for it, and we go through a normal process like we did for Alaska and Hawaii, sure, Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. Haven't they voted for it?
01:34:41.000Hasn't Puerto Rico voted to be a state?
01:35:53.000But if they say, let's add Puerto Rico, but we should consider Guam.
01:35:55.000You understand why it's a power play, right?
01:35:57.000You understand why Republicans view it as a power play check.
01:36:01.000But let's talk about this constitutionally.
01:36:04.000I do not believe it's constitutional to say, oh, well, you're a territory, we would give you statehood, but your politics don't align with one group, so we can't do it.
01:36:11.000If we start carving out D.C., we'll have carve-outs in different states that want us to see from one another.
01:36:15.000You don't carve out D.C. D.C. was established so that the federal government would not be pressured by states.
01:36:22.000When the Capitol was under the jurisdiction of Virginia and Maryland, the concern, or would it have been, the concern was Maryland could apply taxes and Yeah.
01:36:48.000There's a great segment in the John Adams biography when he – Because he's the first president that ends up in D.C. And he goes into D.C. in this carriage and it's all muddy and terrible.
01:36:58.000And he's just like, ah, I want to be in Boston.
01:37:00.000So really, it's such a cool segment because, you know, D.C. is still disgusting and swampy.
01:37:06.000We've got to really do with the Constitution.
01:37:49.000And I agree with her on anything related to the donor money and all the other things that I care about.
01:37:58.000But she and I diverge on some of the culture war issues and some of the identity politics issues.
01:38:04.000So that's a normal disagreement within the left, but I would probably support an economic populist way more than I would support someone who's known more for social issues on the left.
01:38:45.000And our audience respects the hell out of him because he's willing to come on and defend his position.
01:38:50.000But isn't this one guy who accepts a ton of corporate money, too?
01:38:52.000I think he takes a lot of money from big tech.
01:38:54.000No, Ro Khanna doesn't take money from big tech.
01:38:56.000No, Ro Khanna is the first guy, if I'm not mistaken, but certainly among the first who stopped taking corporate PAC money.
01:39:01.000What you're talking about is individuals that give, and they might be executives in a Silicon Valley company because it's Silicon Valley, right?
01:39:08.000According to Open Secrets, he took at least $170,000 from Google.
01:39:11.000I don't know if this is from individuals.
01:40:15.000When he does things and they take it out of context, I hate it, and I think that's Trump derangement syndrome.
01:40:22.000So for example, he said bloodbath when he was talking about the auto industry.
01:40:26.000We come on The Young Turks and we go, he did not say it in a physical way, he did not say it in a violent way, he said it in regards to the car industry.
01:41:20.000He comes up and does this, and he goes, fight, fight, fight.
01:41:23.000If that's not courage, I don't know what courage is, right?
01:41:27.000So I called him courageous for that, and I called him courageous for that at a moment where I desperately wanted him to lose the election, okay?
01:41:37.000So we don't have Trump derangement syndrome.
01:41:39.000What we have is honest disagreements about Trump.
01:41:42.000But I would argue that, and now I'll trigger a lot of people, I would argue that a lot of the right wing has Trump derangement syndrome in reverse.
01:41:50.000Like, they'll see something that he does that makes no sense, that is not a conservative position, that is not a right wing position, that is not a populist position, and they'll go, if Trump did it, I love it.
01:42:04.000Trump sausage-fingered the phone and accidentally sent gibberish, but there were people genuinely being like, no, no, he's saying something.
01:42:19.000I've got to say something super important here.
01:42:21.000What I just saw here is exactly what I'm talking about.
01:42:24.000That's what I'm going to tell the left wing.
01:42:26.000And I'm saying, look guys, I think that if Trump does things that you guys don't agree with, and we might agree or disagree with you guys, right?
01:42:33.000But if you guys don't agree, you are going to stand up to him.
01:42:58.000We have Luke Rutkowski come on this show, and he ragged on Trump the whole time throughout his whole administration for foreign policy, drone strikes, commando raids, all of that stuff.
01:43:24.000We get into heated arguments all the time in this foreign policy stuff, but we like having that contrast and that debate.
01:43:30.000And as I mentioned, Ian, but there are a lot of Trump supporters.
01:43:34.000I'll give you an example of the tiff I got into with these people.
01:43:38.000Joe Rogan says on his show several months ago, I think RFK Jr. is the one that makes sense.
01:43:42.000And these prominent, high-profile Trump supporters immediately hate Joe Rogan.
01:43:47.000And then Trump himself truth posts like, oh, he's going to get booed when he goes to UFC. And I'm immediately like, first of all, Joe's my friend, and he did such tremendous things.
01:43:58.000First of all, helping my career and taking care of us when we got sick.
01:44:01.000That dude is one of the best people I know in terms of being a good person.
01:44:34.000You know, this stuff, if you want to get my blood boy and talk about Obama and the drone strike on Abdul Rahman Al-Awlaki, are you familiar with that one?
01:44:46.000And the story there is the Obama administration admitted they did it.
01:44:50.000They said they were targeting a different terrorist and, oopsie, we blew up a civilian restaurant, a cafe in a country we're not at war with, and we killed a bunch of civilians, including an American.
01:45:01.000Donald Trump, one of the first things he does when he gets into office is he signs off on a commando raid in Yemen.
01:45:07.000Now, the difference here is that no one's admitted to any direct wrongdoing, but the family involved say that an eight-year-old girl was killed in that raid that was signed off on Trump's orders.
01:45:16.000My response there is, I want an investigation.
01:45:20.000And if Donald Trump did sign off on this, he has criminal culpability for sending commandos into a country we're not at war with, likely at the best of Saudi Arabia, because we do weapons deals with them.
01:45:51.000Number one heresy you could have if I ever run for office, if anyone I'm aligned with runs for office, mainstream media is going to smear the living crap out of all of us because you're going to say, oh my god, he went on a right-wing show and he said Obama should be arrested.
01:46:43.000If the executive branch gets to say, I went through a process, I checked with Bob, who works for me, and Bob, who works for me in the executive branch, told me I could murder any American citizen I like.
01:46:53.000Eric Holder that Barack Obama himself called his wingman.
01:46:57.000And I want to say this too, because I was wrong about this.
01:47:01.000Trump did say, I'd like to take the guns first and go through due process later.
01:47:07.000So I at first looked into this and I saw a snippet of Trump saying something after the fact, and I thought that was the original quote.
01:47:16.000Then I was corrected when we had a guest on the show from the National Gun – I forgot the organization's name, the Gun Rights Association.
01:47:22.000And I looked into the video, and it's Trump literally saying, nah, you've got these people with guns.
01:47:28.000I like to take the guns first and then go through the courts, go through due process later.
01:48:29.000And the daughter that caught a bullet in the gunfight, that was, she was not actually targeted.
01:48:35.000Because they were going, she was collateral damage.
01:48:38.000Now you can say that it's unconscionable, you can say that it's still wrong, you can say that it still doesn't matter, and I wouldn't argue strongly against it, but I just pointed that out for clarity.
01:48:52.000So that's a good point because they're not targeting a U.S. citizen on purpose theoretically, at least based on their justification.
01:48:59.000Now, just like the Wuhan lab, you killed three members of the same family in three different places at three different times and you're telling me it was a coincidence.
01:49:09.000I'm telling you, my best guess, and this is just a guess, is that all of Lockheed was CIA that went rogue, and the CIA was super embarrassed about it, and thought, oh, what if, not only do we have to get rid of him, but what if his family members know that he was CIA and went rogue?
01:49:27.000So now, that part is total speculation.
01:49:38.000Part of why established media is so hypocritical and so unbearable, because if Trump does it, they go nuts, and they should, and I agree, right?
01:49:47.000But when Obama does it, they're like, no, that's fine.
01:50:40.000The fact that not only do they cover for him...
01:50:44.000But the fact that there is an extrajudicial killing that was clearly outside of the Constitution, violated American citizens' constitutional right to due process, and killed him, and the media won't even address it, and they will cover for him and say there was no scandals.
01:51:02.000So back to right-wing, left-wing populist establishment.
01:51:05.000But interestingly, that same media was super happy to work with Dick Cheney in pretending that Iraq was a giant problem for us.
01:51:12.000So it wasn't that they're covering up for Republicans or Democrats.
01:51:15.000It was that they were covering up for the establishment.
01:51:17.000They were singing Dick Cheney's praises a couple months ago.
01:51:20.000Just to offer a different opinion on Anwar al-Walaki, he was allegedly a key organizer for Al-Qaeda.
01:51:27.000And as far as I'm concerned, if you're an enemy of the United States, planning with terrorist organizations who have killed Americans before, then you're on a shortlist for getting murdered.
01:52:38.000There's fighting going on, and whether we agree or disagree on a political and militaristic decision, there's a lot to break down.
01:52:44.000If we're talking about an American citizen is overseas and Obama says, I don't have to prove to the American people this person has constitutional rights, and I do think it's absurd in any capacity that the United States would bomb anybody with drone strikes without justification.
01:52:59.000Granted, we do have a constitutional protection for American citizens that noncitizens don't have in combat areas.
01:54:48.000Although, according to Nancy Pelosi, they did have a vigorous primary after Joe Biden stepped out and Kamala Harris was just simply the best candidate.
01:56:18.000And they would have demagogued him to, like, they already did, but they, I mean, take what they did to him and multiply it by 200 if he had any chance of winning the Democratic primary.
01:58:26.000So on RFK Jr., oh, you'd have had the dead bears and the whales and the brain worm, and then multiply it by 200. They would have come up with everything in the world against them.
01:58:35.000People forget that all politicians are impure and take donations and lie.
01:58:51.000Yeah, so that's a target-rich environment to begin with.
01:58:54.000But normally what they do is needle in a haystack, right?
01:58:57.000So my whole career is as a left-wing commentator.
01:59:02.000But they found one or two things they could paint me as a right-winger because the district I was running in was a Democratic district at that point.
01:59:08.000So they say, oh, look, he criticized Obama.
01:59:11.000Which, by the way, literally, again, New York Times said that.
01:59:14.000They didn't say that I criticized him from a left-wing perspective.
01:59:16.000Also, why can't you criticize the president?
01:59:19.000I'm like, you're the New York Times, and you're trying to paint me as a right-winger because I criticized Obama, and you claim you're for freedom and journalism and freedom of the press, etc.
01:59:28.000Well, because they wanted you to do what you were told, right?
02:00:05.000But wait a minute, now let's look at Madison Cawthorn.
02:00:07.000So apparently they had pictures of him dressed up in funny ways and with girls and whatever, all this stuff, but they never released it until he criticized the Republican establishment.
02:00:17.000And then all of a sudden, here comes all these pictures, right?
02:00:20.000And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I don't agree with Madison Cawthorn on the policies.
02:00:24.000But what do these pictures have anything to do with anything?
02:00:28.000Like, so he was at a party, and he dressed up like this or that, and he was with girls.
02:02:51.000I'm voting for whoever gives us this, and I don't give a damn about their labels.
02:02:55.000So check that out on TYT. Right on, Libby.
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