Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Democratic Party In CIVIL WAR Over Loss To Trump, Liberal Media BREAKS w-Cenk Uygur| Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:28.000 And there is a coming civil war in the Democratic Party over who is going to be in charge and whether or not they're going to eliminate the leftist elements, whether they're going to go more moderate, whether the establishment is going to double down, and who is the future of this party.

00:00:42.000 Jon Stewart is coming out and roasting Democrats for the hypocrisy on the Hunter Biden pardon.

00:00:47.000 You've got Bill Maher going in his podcast with Jane Fonda saying he may quit because he can't do this.

00:00:52.000 And he said some other things I'm not going to repeat.

00:00:54.000 And then, of course, we've got many liberal personalities that either had been calling out the Democrats in the lead up to the 2024 election because they knew Biden was losing his mind or my favorite, the pundits who flipped on a dime.

00:01:06.000 The moment Trump and the Republicans won, now all of a sudden they're being critical and they're realizing maybe I was being lied to.

00:01:12.000 So we're going to talk about that plus a whole lot more.

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00:01:21.000 And then Donald Trump's nomination for the DEA has, well, he's resigned his nomination after a massive backlash over his arrest of a pastor during COVID lockdowns.

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00:02:16.000 But we are joined tonight by Cenk Uygur.

00:02:18.000 Well, I was about to say welcome like I own the place.

00:02:21.000 Thank you, brother.

00:02:22.000 Who are you?

00:02:23.000 What do you do?

00:02:24.000 Everybody knows who you are, but, you know, you got to introduce yourself.

00:02:27.000 Yeah, well, host of the Young Turks, founder of the TYT Network, also founder of Justice Democrats, Wolfpack, Cavalry Pack, ran for president, as you know, and an overall trouble causer.

00:02:42.000 Well, right on.

00:02:43.000 It's an honor and privilege to have you here, sir.

00:02:45.000 Appreciate it.

00:02:46.000 We got Elad hanging out.

00:02:47.000 Hey, everybody.

00:02:48.000 What's up?

00:02:48.000 My name is Elad Eliyahu.

00:02:49.000 I'm a field correspondent and Jewish affairs correspondent here at TimCast News.

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00:03:04.000 So look out for that.

00:03:05.000 What's up, Libby?

00:03:06.000 I'm Libby Emmons.

00:03:07.000 I'm with the Post Millennial and Humanevents.com.

00:03:10.000 Glad to be here.

00:03:11.000 Hey, Phil.

00:03:11.000 Hello, everybody.

00:03:12.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

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00:03:17.000 Tim?

00:03:18.000 Let's start with this story from Mediaite.

00:03:20.000 So Jon Stewart says, F the norms.

00:03:23.000 And he issues a scathing supercut slamming Joe Biden's hypocrisy in pardoning his son and Democrats defending it.

00:03:29.000 I got a clip for you.

00:03:30.000 And let's we'll start with this one where I don't know what the point is, but, you know, it's funny to see.

00:03:37.000 Faith in the rule of law.

00:03:38.000 Finally, Democrats have a moral perch from which they can judge without shame, hypocrisy or nuance.

00:03:51.000 Breaking news, President Biden has issued a pardon for his son, Hunter Biden.

00:03:57.000 Mother...

00:03:58.000 We were so close.

00:04:06.000 But you know what?

00:04:07.000 That's fine.

00:04:08.000 It's good.

00:04:09.000 It's right.

00:04:10.000 It's his right.

00:04:11.000 He's an 82-year-old man.

00:04:13.000 Doesn't want to spend the rest of his life visiting his son in prison. 1.00

00:04:16.000 Republicans can't wait with this shit all the time. 1.00

00:04:19.000 I'm sure the pardon is a narrowly written, precisely drawn, farewell note of compassion for a loved one. 0.99

00:04:27.000 The pardon sweeping, covering offenses that Hunter Biden, quote, has committed or may have committed or taken part in over the past 11 years.

00:04:37.000 11 years is a very specific...

00:04:50.000 So you get the point, because we've talked about this.

00:04:53.000 But what I find largely interesting here is the audience laughing, Jon Stewart expressing his incredulity, I suppose, at the notion of an 11-year pardon.

00:05:05.000 But this is just one example, right?

00:05:06.000 There's another story I can easily bring up here to make this point.

00:05:09.000 Charlemagne Tha God says Democrats have lost the moral high ground after Hunter Biden pardoned.

00:05:14.000 And also, he previously said that he felt like the Democrats were lying to him.

00:05:17.000 So we're seeing a break in multiple parts for the Democratic establishment, the party and its media apparatus.

00:05:24.000 Prominent liberal personalities saying, I think I was lied to.

00:05:27.000 Prominent personalities having called them out the year or longer before all this is going on, like you, Cenk, and even running for president saying Biden can't win.

00:05:36.000 And now Jon Stewart, people like Bill Maher, all acting like, I'll just put it this way, many personalities saying, all of a sudden, hey, we feel like we are being lied to.

00:05:45.000 Ezra Klein coming out and saying this.

00:05:46.000 And the big question then is, what does the Democratic Party turn into?

00:05:50.000 Is it going to go far left, AOC squad, or is it going to go establishment, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, or is there something else?

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:58.000 So first, let's start with Jon Stewart and Charlemagne.

00:06:01.000 So those are my guys.

00:06:03.000 I love those guys.

00:06:04.000 Those are allies.

00:06:05.000 And so they deserve credit for saying that Joe Biden was old when apparently people thought that was outrageous and scandalous.

00:06:13.000 And Jon Stewart did a segment on it, and everybody got super mad at him.

00:06:17.000 Like, when I do it, they expect it.

00:06:19.000 They're like, oh, okay, there's that annoying guy who keeps telling the truth, okay? 0.99

00:06:23.000 Shut up. 0.99

00:06:23.000 We're all lying. 0.99

00:06:24.000 We're all lying.

00:06:24.000 He's young, dynamic, young, dynamic.

00:06:26.000 Just say it, say it, say it, right?

00:06:28.000 But when Jon Stewart said, no, not young and dynamic, obviously old and in mental decline, People were super furious.

00:06:36.000 Charlemagne said it.

00:06:37.000 So those are the good guys.

00:06:39.000 So then, you know, you've got Ezra Klein, which we could talk about a little bit later, but I think he's...

00:06:47.000 He's been an interesting guy.

00:06:49.000 I think he's overall positive.

00:06:50.000 He did question Biden a couple of times.

00:06:52.000 He's taken a little bit of credit here at the end.

00:06:57.000 Anyway, he's a mixed bag, but overall I like him, and we can get into whether you guys agree, disagree, etc.

00:07:03.000 Then there's the Pod Save America guys who are...

00:07:07.000 Look, on a personal level, I met him a couple times, don't mind him.

00:07:11.000 Tommy did the Young Turks one day, liked him, no problem, etc.

00:07:15.000 Good guys, in my estimation, in our brief interactions.

00:07:18.000 But come on, guys, you're the establishment.

00:07:20.000 And you said that Biden was fine.

00:07:22.000 And then you said Kamala Harris was great.

00:07:24.000 And they weren't. 1.00

00:07:25.000 They sucked. 0.94

00:07:25.000 And so now all of a sudden, like, there's news reports about Pod Save America realizes Biden might not have been the right candidate. 0.94

00:07:32.000 Oh, did they?

00:07:33.000 Yeah.

00:07:33.000 Oh, I see.

00:07:34.000 He might have stayed in the race too long.

00:07:36.000 But guys, that's what we were saying.

00:07:39.000 And I don't mean it.

00:07:40.000 And then you have mainstream media, which is way worse than all the people that I just mentioned.

00:07:43.000 You know, the Whoopi Goldbergs, the Joe Scarbrows, just the serial liars who lie and do marketing and propaganda for the Democratic Party.

00:07:51.000 So that's the media.

00:07:52.000 If you want, I'll get into the politics.

00:07:53.000 Is it your sense that the policy of America guys don't qualify as mainstream?

00:07:57.000 I mean, they were, if I understand correctly, they did work with the Obama administration or with Barack Obama.

00:08:02.000 And so I feel like they're as mainstream a Democrat as you can kind of get.

00:08:09.000 Okay, keeping it real.

00:08:10.000 So, Pod Save America has this funny role in that they have a mainstream mentality, unquestionably, but they're a podcast.

00:08:22.000 So, like, when the mainstream politicians want to go crazy, they go on Pod Save America.

00:08:27.000 They're like, well, I was on a podcast!

00:08:29.000 I was online!

00:08:30.000 It wasn't even CNN! It was so crazy!

00:08:33.000 Okay, I was talking You saw Jen O'Malley Dillon being like, wait, I can curse on here. 1.00

00:08:38.000 And she was so happy about it.

00:08:40.000 And I was like, you don't get to do that all the time, do you?

00:08:42.000 It's cover, essentially, then.

00:08:44.000 Well, look, I'm sure they genuinely mean what they say, right?

00:08:48.000 Sure.

00:08:49.000 To be fair to them.

00:08:50.000 And look, I agree with them on a lot of policies.

00:08:53.000 Well, I mean, do they—hold on, you said they mean what they say, but they were saying that Joe Biden was great, and then they also said that, you know, until Kamala Harris came in, do you think they meant that, or were they lying then?

00:09:03.000 So which one do you think?

00:09:04.000 Yeah, so I do genuinely wonder about that, right?

00:09:08.000 So did they really get themselves to believe that Joe Biden was young and dynamic and the best possible candidate for the Democratic Party, which I always said was the biggest insult you could give to the Democratic Party, to say that a guy whose brain was falling out of his ear is the best candidate we have in the whole country?

00:09:23.000 Really?

00:09:24.000 Out of like 150, 170 million people, you thought he was the best possible candidate?

00:09:28.000 So no, you can't possibly believe that.

00:09:31.000 So that's got to be a lie.

00:09:33.000 But I bet you that all those guys genuinely thought, no, he's the best.

00:09:38.000 We've got to keep going.

00:09:40.000 And you know what?

00:09:41.000 And the excuse that they have, and they get themselves to believe, is, wait, if we show any dissension, it helps Trump.

00:09:50.000 Doesn't this kind of speak to the NPC meme, though?

00:09:53.000 Like, if these people are saying, you know, Joe Biden is this, blah, blah, blah, and then as soon as Kamala Harris says, you know, or Kamala Harris is the nominee, they just switch right out.

00:10:02.000 It really does kind of just, it is emblematic of that whole meme where it's like, just the new download changes their opinion, right?

00:10:10.000 And if that's the case, can you trust them?

00:10:11.000 The thing with Democrats, though, is their best thing is unity, right?

00:10:15.000 Their best thing is providing a solid front.

00:10:17.000 They're like parents when the kid sneaks out and one of them said it was okay or something, you know what I mean?

00:10:22.000 Like they team up and they get together and so they're hard to crack because of that.

00:10:27.000 The old stereotype is Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line.

00:10:34.000 Is that no longer the case?

00:10:35.000 No.

00:10:36.000 It's totally flipped now.

00:10:37.000 So that was the case.

00:10:39.000 Now, if you're a Democrat and you don't fall in line, there's going to be hell to pay.

00:10:43.000 That's not even new, though.

00:10:45.000 So that's been going on for some time.

00:10:48.000 So that saying is like the Tip O'Neill saying from the 1970s, all politics is local, when now no politics is local.

00:10:54.000 It's all national.

00:10:55.000 It's all national, and people make their meaning on that.

00:10:56.000 So they still keep saying that stuff.

00:10:58.000 But in reality, the Republicans fell in love with Trump.

00:11:01.000 And the Democrats are always told, follow mine! 0.79

00:11:04.000 Follow mine!

00:11:05.000 Right?

00:11:05.000 And so, like, just real quick to address what you guys are saying.

00:11:08.000 So, in the Democratic Party, you know, unity is put out as like the greatest value of all time.

00:11:16.000 When in reality, unity has destroyed the party.

00:11:18.000 Because it's a forced unity.

00:11:20.000 It's not a real unity.

00:11:22.000 They say, we anoint Biden!

00:11:24.000 We anoint Hillary Clinton!

00:11:25.000 Now everybody unify! 0.91

00:11:26.000 What that means is, our donors picked Hillary Clinton, our donors picked Joe Biden, so shut up, okay? 1.00

00:11:32.000 All you rascally annoying populists and stuff like that, and with your stupid Bernie Sanders, no donor even approves of Bernie Sanders, okay? 1.00

00:11:41.000 We demand unity! 0.99

00:11:42.000 Okay, and so that's a fake, fake thing to try to get not unity, but compliance and obedience.

00:11:51.000 was on, I think it was at MSNBC.

00:11:52.000 Yeah, yeah, I think she was asked, breaking news, Joe has pardoned Hunter.

00:11:56.000 What do you, hey, this just happened.

00:11:58.000 What do you have to say?

00:11:59.000 And her response was, I have no take on that.

00:12:01.000 I'll have to, I'll have to think about it.

00:12:02.000 And certainly I'm not requiring every single personality ever to know everything, but this is an example of, I can't possibly answer with the Democratic Party line live on TV.

00:12:13.000 You'll have to give me a few minutes to consult.

00:12:14.000 I have to go figure it out.

00:12:16.000 To be fair to her, I don't know what exactly happened with her.

00:12:19.000 Maybe she really genuinely didn't know.

00:12:21.000 I'll give her that.

00:12:22.000 I think this is an example.

00:12:24.000 I think it's probabilistically an example of...

00:12:28.000 I've got to be honest.

00:12:29.000 If you took the average conservative and put them on TV and asked them a question, they're going to say something.

00:12:33.000 They're going to have some kind of opinion on it or whatever.

00:12:35.000 And I think this goes to the bigger picture of...

00:12:39.000 And I'll say, all these liberal personalities have been complaining about it.

00:12:42.000 Even David Pakman's complaining about it.

00:12:44.000 Conservatives are knocking on the door to come on your show, and liberals are like, let me talk with our PR people and see if we can make something happen, and they don't do it.

00:12:50.000 No, no, can I just address that real quick?

00:12:53.000 It's way worse than that.

00:12:54.000 So why does policy of America exist in a sense, right?

00:12:57.000 So that they could, as we talked about, they could feel cool for going online or on a podcast, etc.

00:13:02.000 But would those people who ran Biden's campaign ever come on the Young Turks?

00:13:08.000 Zero percent chance.

00:13:09.000 None, none, none, none.

00:13:11.000 Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, none.

00:13:13.000 Zero, zero.

00:13:13.000 Why?

00:13:13.000 Because we ask real questions.

00:13:15.000 So if you ask real questions, oh my god, they don't want, like...

00:13:18.000 That's why they didn't want to do Rogues.

00:13:20.000 Oh, they don't, I mean, but...

00:13:21.000 Oh, could you imagine?

00:13:22.000 But Joe is kind of soft compared to us.

00:13:25.000 Right?

00:13:25.000 Like, even if you're a left-winger or you're a Democrat, you're going to get a much tougher interview out of the Young Turks than you are out of Joe Rogan.

00:13:32.000 And that's why she was such a knucklehead for not doing the Rogan interview. 0.99

00:13:36.000 Well, you know what Joe's going to do.

00:13:37.000 He's an amiable guy, right?

00:13:39.000 He's not looking to ambush you or whatever.

00:13:41.000 He's going to go, oh, yeah, that's interesting.

00:13:43.000 Oh, where'd you grow up?

00:13:44.000 Oh, so you were at McDonald's, right?

00:13:46.000 But they can't even handle that.

00:13:48.000 So that's why the Jen O'Malley Dillons and stuff, she's not We're going to ask follow-up questions and be like, hey, why did you turn down hundreds of millions of dollars in earned media and free media? 1.00

00:14:00.000 I mean, you keep raising money.

00:14:02.000 You keep asking people for money.

00:14:03.000 Give me money.

00:14:05.000 Oh, we raised older money.

00:14:07.000 But wait, that 50 million views that Trump got on Rogan, It's worth an enormous amount of money.

00:14:15.000 Then you wouldn't have to keep asking little grandmas for money if you just do earned media, right? 1.00

00:14:20.000 Why didn't you do it?

00:14:21.000 Why didn't you do it, right?

00:14:23.000 And I could ask 10, 20 super tough questions like that and they'll never, ever go on a show that asks them those questions because they don't have answers to those questions.

00:14:34.000 Their answer is, what do you mean?

00:14:35.000 Fall in line!

00:14:36.000 Unity!

00:14:36.000 Hey, listen.

00:14:37.000 I did your...

00:14:38.000 Well, I didn't do your unity.

00:14:39.000 Can I curse you?

00:14:40.000 I already forgot.

00:14:41.000 Well, we try not to.

00:14:42.000 Okay.

00:14:42.000 Nobody cries.

00:14:42.000 So I already did your BS. Or I refuse to do your BS, right?

00:14:47.000 But this unity stuff is gone, man.

00:14:50.000 You wanted us to unify.

00:14:53.000 And Jen O'Malley Dillon, remember, before she ran Kamala's camp writing... 0.95

00:14:56.000 She ran Joe's campaign.

00:14:57.000 If you want to talk about liars, the Pod Save America guys, I think that they probably got deluded in their own minds into thinking, oh, Joe Biden's 34 or 44, I can't tell, right?

00:15:08.000 Okay, but Jen O'Malley Dillon knows exactly how senile Joe Biden was.

00:15:12.000 She had conversation after conversation. 0.78

00:15:15.000 Everyone on that campaign knew that he has massive mental decline. 0.98

00:15:20.000 Massive. 0.99

00:15:21.000 Oh, my uncle was eaten by cannibals.

00:15:23.000 Oh, why?

00:15:24.000 Hello there, Bob!

00:15:25.000 There's no Bob!

00:15:26.000 He's shaking hands with an invisible guy.

00:15:28.000 They called that debunked.

00:15:30.000 When he was shaking hands with an invisible guy.

00:15:32.000 Everything's always debunked, right?

00:15:33.000 I mean, he was out there talking to trees in the Amazon.

00:15:36.000 The thing about Jon Stewart and Bill Maher is that these Democrats are catching up to where a lot of Democrats were several years ago.

00:15:42.000 You know, a lot of Democrats got pushed out of the party because they didn't follow the party line.

00:15:46.000 The Democrats have already abandoned free speech.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, like us, right?

00:15:49.000 Well, but...

00:15:49.000 The Democrats abandoned free speech.

00:15:51.000 They have abandoned their antiwar stance.

00:15:53.000 And if Democrats are going to get any credibility back, they have to return to their roots and actually have values.

00:15:59.000 It's been a shifting sands of like whatever seems fashionally progressive since Obama.

00:16:04.000 I don't know how this version of the Democratic Party recovers.

00:16:07.000 The narrative they keep pushing about where's the Democrat version of Joe Rogan or my favorite was when Wired said there's no there's no Democrat Ben Shapiro, Stephen Crowder or so help us a Tim Pool.

00:16:19.000 And I'm like, Joe Rogan was a Bernie bro.

00:16:22.000 And I donated the maximum to two different Democrats in the 2020 cycle. 0.96

00:16:27.000 But the Democrats, in my view, totally nuts.

00:16:29.000 I started doing conservative media when I was still a registered Democrat. 0.61

00:16:33.000 because that's where I could have free speech.

00:16:37.000 That's where I could openly discuss things.

00:16:39.000 It wasn't possible in Democrat media at all.

00:16:42.000 I'll give you one quick example before you jump in.

00:16:44.000 I think an example is...

00:16:47.000 I think many of the prominent voices in the liberal media space are just outright lying.

00:16:52.000 It's dominated by the corporate press, of course.

00:16:54.000 And my favorite example, to give the man his wonderful shout-out that he's always begged for, Sam Seder, when he comes on this show, when we invite him here...

00:17:03.000 I shouldn't say he asked me, but we were discussing abortion, and I told him I was pro-choice.

00:17:08.000 He throws a hypothetical at me, rants about how I want women to undergo rape trials or something to prove that they were raped, and then literally says on the show, that's the clip I was trying to get.

00:17:18.000 And I'm like, okay, if that is the, not the, but maybe a driving force in the alternative media space, and then the corporate press is just lying about every single thing that's going on, Joe Biden is fizz a fiddle and strong as a young man, then me, I'm just out.

00:17:33.000 I'm out.

00:17:33.000 So how are the Democrats supposed to recover any kind of real, authentic media if...

00:17:40.000 These are the narrative games they've been playing, or at least many of them have been.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, but so whenever you're talking about Democrats to the left, you have to distinguish between the different camps, right?

00:17:48.000 Of course.

00:17:49.000 So what's the biggest left-wing show?

00:17:52.000 We are, Young Turks, right?

00:17:53.000 What's the biggest left-wing network?

00:17:57.000 We are, TYT is, 27 million subscribers, right?

00:18:01.000 30 billion lifetime views.

00:18:03.000 So when they're like, oh, I... Wish we had a Joe Rogan of the left.

00:18:06.000 Hey, idiots. 1.00

00:18:07.000 We have more subscribers, more views, etc. 1.00

00:18:10.000 But to them, no, you don't count because you're honest.

00:18:14.000 We didn't mean we want left-wing media.

00:18:16.000 We meant we want left-wing media to do our propaganda.

00:18:20.000 But you won't do our propaganda.

00:18:22.000 Right.

00:18:22.000 That's why we're popular, because we don't do your propaganda, right?

00:18:26.000 So they're like, no, but we just want to pay for someone to be super popular and just tell us that Joe Biden is young and Kamala Harris doesn't have talking points and the donors are not in charge, etc.

00:18:37.000 Well, you're never going to get that.

00:18:40.000 Do they not understand that?

00:18:41.000 No, they don't understand it at all.

00:18:42.000 And look, guys, again, this is not left-right.

00:18:45.000 This is populist versus establishment.

00:18:47.000 So establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats their whole lives have been relying on establishment media to cover for them.

00:18:54.000 Oh, hey, what are we doing?

00:18:55.000 We're robbing the middle class to pay the rich.

00:18:58.000 Okay, great.

00:18:58.000 Hey, Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden did a beautiful bipartisan deal!

00:19:02.000 Oh, that's so great.

00:19:03.000 They're both so moderate.

00:19:04.000 They're so moderate the way they robbed all of you guys and gave it to their rich donors.

00:19:09.000 And so it's like a giant marketing operation.

00:19:12.000 If you're on cable news, you're not in news.

00:19:15.000 You're in marketing.

00:19:16.000 You just don't realize it.

00:19:18.000 Let me pull up this Twitter thread.

00:19:19.000 We got this from Cenk Uygur himself.

00:19:21.000 You tweeted, I'd

00:19:57.000 rather be in the populist woods than an establishment prison.

00:20:02.000 So you got a ton of praise from a lot of conservatives saying that, well, you know, Gunther Eagleman, they haven't been defeated.

00:20:08.000 He calls you naive.

00:20:10.000 Matt Gaetz said, I've long said there are coalitions to be made between the populist left and the populist right.

00:20:15.000 My first critique would be, it feels a little thick.

00:20:19.000 It feels, you know, the election just happened, and you're a guy who's very critical of Donald Trump in very, very heavy ways.

00:20:26.000 I still am.

00:20:27.000 So how is, do you think Donald Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6th?

00:20:31.000 Yes.

00:20:32.000 And you think that that's not a mortal enemy of you, you think the establishment is worse?

00:20:35.000 No.

00:20:36.000 So that's where it gets complicated.

00:20:38.000 So Donald Trump, I was dead set against him.

00:20:41.000 Number one, I don't agree with most of his policies.

00:20:43.000 But number two, after he did a fake elector plot to overthrow the government and he said to terminate the Constitution, I'm out forever.

00:20:51.000 I'm never, ever, ever going to vote for that guy.

00:20:53.000 Okay?

00:20:53.000 I don't care if he was a Democrat or a Republican.

00:20:55.000 You write, I want to terminate the Constitution and I'm done with you.

00:20:58.000 Okay?

00:20:58.000 So I believe that before the election.

00:21:00.000 I believe it after the election.

00:21:01.000 I haven't changed a single policy position.

00:21:03.000 I haven't changed a single opinion.

00:21:04.000 Okay?

00:21:05.000 So, but what that comes from, Tim, is that tweet is a genuine feeling that I had.

00:21:12.000 And it's interesting because a lot of our viewers agreed with me, okay?

00:21:15.000 And so the feeling is, wait, that's weird.

00:21:18.000 I really didn't want Trump to win.

00:21:20.000 Not like, yay, I wanted Trump to win the day after he won.

00:21:24.000 No, no, I didn't want him to win, right?

00:21:25.000 Right.

00:21:26.000 But so why do I feel this strange feeling of optimism, right?

00:21:30.000 And I'm not optimistic about most of his picks.

00:21:33.000 I'm not optimistic about most of his policies, etc.

00:21:36.000 Certainly not the people who he surrounds himself with.

00:21:38.000 But I, and what I realized, and that's why I say it in the middle of the tweet, I know now.

00:21:43.000 I figured it out.

00:21:44.000 And what it is, is we, especially on the left, you're in an establishment prison, okay?

00:21:49.000 So the minute you step out the guardrail, away from the guardrails, Oh, wow, wow, wow, intruder alert, intruder alert, right?

00:21:57.000 And so, oh, how dare you say that it's the donors, the conspiracy theorists?

00:22:02.000 How dare you say the politicians aren't honest?

00:22:05.000 How dare you say that about Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden?

00:22:07.000 Well, now, the how dare you sound hollow.

00:22:11.000 They sound like, no, no, no, no. 1.00

00:22:13.000 You guys are the morons who lost many, many times. 1.00

00:22:16.000 So you don't get to say, how dare you anymore, right? 1.00

00:22:20.000 So that feeling of liberation within the left, within the Democratic Party, is what's critical.

00:22:27.000 And the fact that we're no longer in a strictly left-right spectrum, that we're in a populist establishment spectrum layered on.

00:22:35.000 Those are all incredibly hopeful things.

00:22:37.000 And most importantly, it's that online media for the first time beat mainstream media.

00:22:42.000 And so...

00:22:43.000 If that's true in a general election, I believe it could also be true in a Democratic primary, okay?

00:22:49.000 Because our number one opponent in Democratic primaries is mainstream media.

00:22:53.000 So Bernie wins in the first three states in 2020, and what happens?

00:22:58.000 It wasn't just that the politicians coalesced.

00:23:02.000 It's that all of cable news coalesced. 0.91

00:23:04.000 And they all came in, Bernie's a Nazi. 0.91

00:23:06.000 Bernie's going to execute people in Central War. 0.93

00:23:08.000 I don't think any of them called him a Nazi. 0.87

00:23:09.000 No, they literally did.

00:23:10.000 Did they call Bernie a Nazi?

00:23:12.000 So first of all... 1.00

00:23:14.000 You're dumb enough to do that. 1.00

00:23:15.000 No, I don't... 1.00

00:23:15.000 Wait, wait. 1.00

00:23:16.000 Donald Todd said his supporters were brown shirts, which are Nazis.

00:23:20.000 Okay, but nobody's saying Bernie Sanders on these networks. 0.80

00:23:23.000 Yeah, no, no.

00:23:24.000 I don't have the quote in front of me here.

00:23:26.000 I don't have a computer or whatever, but someone insinuated that he was on that side, right?

00:23:31.000 And so it happened three different times.

00:23:33.000 Do you think the election was stolen from Bernie?

00:23:36.000 Stolen is a word that's loaded, right?

00:23:38.000 So in 2016, the DNC funneled money from donors into the state parties and then the Hillary Clinton's campaign, okay?

00:23:49.000 So that is illegal.

00:23:51.000 They should not have done it.

00:23:52.000 I'm sorry, I don't remember if it was illegal or outside the rules of the Democratic Party, but it was definitely outside the rules.

00:23:58.000 I think a lot of people cite in 2020 that because a lot of the different mainstream candidates decided to drop out at the same time as likely for a cabinet...

00:24:05.000 No, that's not right.

00:24:06.000 You don't think that was...

00:24:07.000 Okay.

00:24:07.000 No, that's just politics.

00:24:08.000 Yeah.

00:24:09.000 And to follow up, it kind of sounds like through this tweet, you're kind of talking about...

00:24:12.000 I think you're talking outside of both sides of your mouth when you're saying, MAG is not my mortal enemy.

00:24:16.000 My mortal enemy is the establishment.

00:24:18.000 Can you be a little bit more explicit with what you're talking about policy-wise?

00:24:21.000 Because I feel like a lot of the things you are going to say is...

00:24:23.000 MAGA, so please go ahead.

00:24:25.000 It was Chris Matthews and Jonathan Lass.

00:24:27.000 They both referred to Bernie Sanders as his supporters as brown shirts.

00:24:32.000 But they didn't call him a...

00:24:34.000 Yeah, Chris Matthews.

00:24:35.000 No, these are very different things.

00:24:36.000 And he stepped down.

00:24:37.000 They called his supporters brown shirts.

00:24:39.000 I wouldn't be surprised if they acted like it when Antifa came out and rioted very often.

00:24:44.000 I gotta do one thing real quick, because you said that Trump called for the termination of the Constitution.

00:24:49.000 I'm going to read the quote.

00:24:51.000 Trump posted, I would draw the distinction in...

00:25:13.000 Obviously, I see you're more as a progressive.

00:25:15.000 You're going to view it from a left lens, which is Trump is saying this allows us to terminate the rules.

00:25:19.000 My interpretation is he's saying, in general, a fraud of this magnitude would allow, generally, for anybody.

00:25:25.000 But Tim, he's talking about that election.

00:25:27.000 Indeed.

00:25:28.000 And number two, no, there is no provision in the Constitution says if some...

00:25:34.000 If any rando or a candidate or a president decides that he didn't like the outcome of an election, you could terminate the whole thing.

00:25:41.000 All rules, regulations, and articles.

00:25:43.000 All.

00:25:44.000 All.

00:25:44.000 Terminate.

00:25:45.000 And the way the right views it is that he's saying the fraud they have committed is allowing them to terminate all the rules in the Constitution.

00:25:53.000 No, Tim, you're making crazy excuses.

00:25:56.000 That's not what that sentence says at all.

00:25:58.000 Not 1%.

00:26:00.000 So he's saying it allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles in the Constitution.

00:26:06.000 So what part of that is the left saying it?

00:26:08.000 He's saying it.

00:26:09.000 No, no, no.

00:26:09.000 My point is the left's perspective is Trump is saying this would empower him to terminate the rules.

00:26:14.000 That's the argument they've made.

00:26:15.000 He's at least saying that I want to terminate the rules.

00:26:17.000 But that's the left perspective.

00:26:18.000 The right perspective is he's saying the actions that have been taken allow in general for these people to basically violate the rules of the Constitution.

00:26:28.000 No, that doesn't make any sense.

00:26:29.000 That's not even close to what he said.

00:26:31.000 Well, I understand that's your perspective.

00:26:32.000 I'm telling you what conservatives are saying.

00:26:34.000 Yeah, I don't even think conservatives are saying.

00:26:36.000 Have you seen that anywhere?

00:26:37.000 I mean, that's a fun interpretation that you had.

00:26:39.000 But I could just reverse everything.

00:26:40.000 Well, Biden said he was young and dynamic, but he meant he was old and senile.

00:26:44.000 It would be like saying precedent from the Supreme Court would allow us to do X, Y, or Z. Not saying that you intend to do it or want to do it, but the actions taken by the Supreme Court are allowing the states to do something.

00:26:53.000 So when the left says the overturning of Roe v.

00:26:56.000 Wade is going to allow for women to be put in red dresses and caps, they're not advocating for the Handmaid's Tale.

00:27:02.000 They're saying a court precedent would allow for something like this to happen.

00:27:06.000 That's the perspective from conservatives, and that's why when you say...

00:27:09.000 Wait, no, no, I don't get it at all, Tim.

00:27:11.000 How in the world is Trump saying a massive fraud like this means that you terminate all rules and regulations of the Constitution and articles of the Constitution?

00:27:19.000 How is that interpreted as he thinks the left is saying it?

00:27:26.000 The Supreme Court issuing a ruling on Roe v. Wade.

00:27:28.000 If a Democrat said this allows for women to be forced to give birth, that's not a Democrat saying they want to force women to give birth, is it?

00:27:36.000 They're saying.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, but Trump isn't saying that.

00:27:38.000 Trump is saying that because of the fraud against him, we should consider or do terminate all rules, regulations, and articles of the Constitution.

00:27:48.000 It's not at all unclear.

00:27:49.000 I'm not telling you that that's not your interpretation.

00:27:51.000 You're not entitled to it.

00:27:52.000 I'm saying conservatives view it from another lens.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, I think that's wishful thinking because they want to make excuses for it.

00:27:57.000 By all means.

00:27:58.000 You can think that.

00:27:59.000 That's why almost every single Trump supporter will say he did not say to terminate the Constitution.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, that's just nonsense.

00:28:05.000 You're just looking at it and go, okay, I'm going to read it in backwards.

00:28:08.000 So if Bernie said that, I'd be done with him in a second, in one second flat.

00:28:12.000 Any politician I support says, oh, maybe we should, oh, there was something, oh, you're getting justice against me, let's terminate the Constitution.

00:28:19.000 No, get the hell out of here.

00:28:20.000 That's it, I'm done with you.

00:28:22.000 Alright, whatever.

00:28:24.000 Look, we can argue about the English language.

00:28:27.000 Maybe in German he doesn't mean that, but in English he said terminate the Constitution.

00:28:31.000 He didn't say the Democrats think to terminate the Constitution.

00:28:34.000 He said the exact opposite.

00:28:36.000 And Tim, it's not 1% unclear.

00:28:38.000 So conservatives can take that and go, okay, I wish to interpret it as him talking about the left, even though he says it's about him and the fraud against him.

00:28:48.000 You can wish a sentence to mean anything you want, but that's what it means.

00:28:51.000 And guys, what are we, pretending that he didn't try to steal the election?

00:28:54.000 Yeah, I don't think he did.

00:28:55.000 Okay, yeah, alright.

00:28:56.000 So, I mean, we could go back in that old debate, but it doesn't really matter, because he won this time around, right?

00:29:01.000 So we're done with it.

00:29:02.000 Now, if he goes back and says, oh, I'm not leaving, then we're not done with it, and that's part of what I'm worried about.

00:29:08.000 He's 84 by that point, something like that.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, so I'm less worried now because the popular vote was on his side.

00:29:15.000 You're not seriously scared of him staying in office for another term?

00:29:18.000 Because I've heard that before.

00:29:20.000 I don't know if you seriously believe it.

00:29:21.000 No, but here's the thing, brother.

00:29:22.000 When somebody says, I'm going to terminate the Constitution, when someone says, oh, I don't have real electors, I have fake electors. 0.92

00:29:27.000 When somebody says, I'm not going to pardon my son and then pardons my son, we're dealing with politics and all of these guys are full of liars. 0.99

00:29:31.000 Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. 0.99

00:29:33.000 So lies from Republican matter, but not lies from Democrats. 0.68

00:29:35.000 No, not at all.

00:29:36.000 Not at all.

00:29:36.000 Because both Biden and Trump have done horrific pardons, egregious, unacceptable pardons.

00:29:43.000 But Trump doing a pardon of Charles Kushner, which is very similar to Hunter Biden's pardon, is terrible.

00:29:49.000 But I wouldn't say, oh, you should never vote for that guy.

00:29:52.000 You can't vote for that guy.

00:29:53.000 That means terminate the Constitution.

00:29:55.000 It doesn't mean any of that.

00:29:56.000 It just means it's a crappy pardon.

00:29:58.000 Okay?

00:29:58.000 Okay.

00:29:58.000 So there's a giant difference between, hey, I disagree with you, or you did something really wrong, and I'd like to end the country by ending our Constitution and our democracy.

00:30:07.000 So to Tim's point, whether you guys agree with me or not, whether the right wing agrees with me or not, that was my concern, okay?

00:30:14.000 So am I less concerned about it now?

00:30:16.000 Yes.

00:30:17.000 Not because they've changed it all, but because Trump won the popular vote.

00:30:20.000 So there was a lot of talk from the right wing of, well, we're not a democracy.

00:30:23.000 We're a republic.

00:30:24.000 Screw democracy.

00:30:25.000 We don't want democracy.

00:30:26.000 Pete Hegseth writing in his book about we should gerrymander so badly that the Democrats never win again.

00:30:32.000 Yeah, but there's a bunch of Democrat books talking about packing the Supreme Court and now we're going to have states. 1.00

00:30:36.000 And I hate it.

00:30:36.000 And so I'm not a fan of democracy.

00:30:39.000 I don't want democracy.

00:30:40.000 See, there you go.

00:30:41.000 So that's exactly what I'm worried about.

00:30:42.000 That's why I'm not right-wing.

00:30:44.000 What about our democratic republic?

00:30:45.000 Because we're not a direct democracy.

00:30:46.000 Like, do you mean our type of democracy as a republic or just in general?

00:30:50.000 Liberal democracy is a general colloquial term we use for countries like the United States and our system of governance, and that's what I'm for.

00:30:57.000 Democracy and this idea that majority rules doesn't make sense.

00:31:01.000 As the famous saying goes, democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for lunch.

00:31:07.000 A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

00:31:09.000 There has to be some chance for minority representation, and that's what we have in a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.

00:31:16.000 So I like this.

00:31:18.000 And so when I say democracy, if someone doesn't understand the blanket term of what democracy is, they assume you're saying, I want fascism or something, which is not the case.

00:31:27.000 I want a system of guaranteed civil rights, a degree of free market, but I believe there should be government regulation to a certain degree.

00:31:34.000 And I like how we have a system that balances the interests of the minority and the majority in different ways.

00:31:40.000 It's not perfect.

00:31:41.000 It's near impossible to do, but I think we have a great system here.

00:31:45.000 I'm sorry, just to get this straight, you're against DC statehood, against Puerto Rican statehood, so against adding states?

00:31:51.000 No.

00:31:52.000 Because that would be a power play from the Democrats.

00:31:54.000 No, it depends.

00:31:55.000 So, like, DC and Puerto Rico happen to be more progressive, Democratic-leaning now, but if they were Republican-leaning, we could still have a conversation about whether...

00:32:05.000 Yeah, but you could see how Republicans think it's, like, an obvious partisan play where they're just trying to get four more senators. 0.66

00:32:09.000 Yeah, but the Electoral College is obviously partisan horse crap at this point.

00:32:13.000 It should be, you know, fixed and amended.

00:32:15.000 So that's why it's hard to take your arguments about democracy seriously when you're...

00:32:18.000 Because you don't care about democracy.

00:32:21.000 You're willing to bring in...

00:32:21.000 That's not true at all.

00:32:23.000 You're making outrageous and ridiculous points.

00:32:26.000 No, you're willing to completely upset our electoral system and then stuff it with, essentially, four Democratic senators. 0.96

00:32:32.000 No, nonsense.

00:32:33.000 Why are we even...

00:32:34.000 Look, an original system of the Constitution is deeply flawed.

00:32:37.000 So a tiny state like Wyoming gets two senators, a gigantic state like California gets two senators.

00:32:42.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:32:44.000 I want to...

00:32:45.000 Let me just finish the point.

00:32:46.000 But in order to fix that or fix the Electoral College or anything else, you have to go through the process.

00:32:51.000 I believe in the Constitution.

00:32:52.000 So you want to call it a republic, you want to call it a democracy, I'm good with all of that as long as we don't end the Constitution, we don't end our democracy, we don't end our civil rights protected by the Bill of Rights, protected by the Constitution, etc.

00:33:06.000 Then we can have arguments about, hey, do we admit Alaska and Hawaii?

00:33:10.000 Well, Alaska's Republican and Hawaii's Democrat.

00:33:12.000 Let's have that conversation.

00:33:14.000 Do we admit D.C. or Puerto Rico, etc.?

00:33:16.000 That's not anti-democratic.

00:33:18.000 That's just a normal political conversation.

00:33:20.000 I agree.

00:33:20.000 So just the way that you frame the argument about state senators and stuff like that implies that the number of people in the state matters.

00:33:30.000 It doesn't matter.

00:33:31.000 It absolutely doesn't.

00:33:34.000 It doesn't matter because it's not about democracy.

00:33:37.000 The senators are supposed to represent the interests of the states, not of the people.

00:33:41.000 The House represents the people.

00:33:42.000 This is something that you absolutely know.

00:33:45.000 I don't believe it.

00:33:47.000 I think it's a terrible system.

00:33:49.000 I think the Senate is a terrible system.

00:33:52.000 I think that's completely absurd.

00:33:54.000 It doesn't matter.

00:33:55.000 I'm not going to win on that.

00:33:56.000 But look, I'll tell you this.

00:33:58.000 The fact of the matter is your viewers don't know.

00:34:01.000 They don't understand that the states are supposed to be represented by the senators.

00:34:07.000 No, of course they understand that.

00:34:09.000 No, they don't.

00:34:09.000 It's elementary civics.

00:34:11.000 We all know it.

00:34:11.000 We just don't agree.

00:34:13.000 And I guarantee you if it was flipped, you'd go nuts.

00:34:15.000 They don't.

00:34:16.000 If we had a tiny little Wyoming that had the same amount of votes as Texas. 0.95

00:34:21.000 Stop trying to change the subject.

00:34:23.000 There's Rhode Island.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, no, I'm with you.

00:34:26.000 But if there was more blue states that were tiny and giant red states, the reverse of what we have now, I guarantee you, every one of you would be making it, this is outrageous!

00:34:37.000 Why did this just one man, one mode?

00:34:39.000 How come it's not one man, one mode?

00:34:40.000 Ah!

00:34:41.000 Jake, you're just trying to change the subject and deflect.

00:34:43.000 The point that I'm making is when you portray it as if it's not democratic because it's not popular vote, that's what the House is for.

00:34:52.000 You're misrepresenting what's going on.

00:34:55.000 And your viewers, I do not care that you say your viewers know.

00:34:59.000 They do not know.

00:35:00.000 All right.

00:35:00.000 You made the point.

00:35:01.000 I would say this.

00:35:02.000 Here's the problem is the 17th Amendment, because if Jenk's view is that the senators are representing the people, that's not wrong since the 17th.

00:35:11.000 It used to be that your state legislatures would appoint people to represent the state's interests, and then we changed it in the early 1900s.

00:35:17.000 I think that's a mistake.

00:35:18.000 I think states should have representation.

00:35:20.000 I'll tell you exactly why.

00:35:21.000 Cenk, do you know about...

00:35:23.000 So I covered the drought in California.

00:35:25.000 This is 10 years ago.

00:35:27.000 We had a drought in California.

00:35:29.000 I went to Tulare County.

00:35:30.000 300,000 poor people, a lot of migrant workers and farmers live there.

00:35:34.000 I went to these farms and they were drilling thousands, tens of thousands of feet down into the earth for groundwater so they could water their crops because the drought had been very severe.

00:35:42.000 I went to the home of a poor migrant family that they harvested crops.

00:35:47.000 They had no water.

00:35:48.000 They turned their water on, nothing came out.

00:35:50.000 The reason was their wells at their houses only go down 30 feet, but the farmers were drilling down 5 to 10,000 or more feet.

00:35:57.000 So the groundwater had been sucked all up for the farms.

00:35:59.000 So the first thing we thought was, hey, they're stealing the water from the poor workers for their business and their crops.

00:36:06.000 Well, the argument was, yeah, but we have to grow food, otherwise we don't eat.

00:36:09.000 And I said, okay, well, we got to figure something out, right?

00:36:12.000 So I go to the farms and I said, why are you doing this?

00:36:15.000 And they said, we provide a third of the economy of the state.

00:36:19.000 We're producing food.

00:36:21.000 I mean, there's nothing here and there's no workers here unless we can grow the crops.

00:36:24.000 I look over and there's a canal full of water.

00:36:26.000 I said, why don't you just take the actual water that you have that comes from the mountains?

00:36:30.000 And they said, we are a county.

00:36:33.000 This is what I heard from like seven different farmers.

00:36:35.000 We're a county of 300,000 people.

00:36:37.000 We voted to keep our water.

00:36:39.000 And the cities like San Diego and Carlsbad with golf courses outvoted us.

00:36:44.000 So we went to Carlsbad and we saw golf courses getting watered.

00:36:47.000 They actually, the people who lived there came out and said, we refuse to have brown lawns.

00:36:52.000 We should have the right to water our lawns. 0.86

00:36:53.000 Across the street from a golf course with watered green grass was poor migrant workers with no water. 1.00

00:36:59.000 And it all came down to...

00:37:01.000 In a system of direct democracy within the state, it was put to a vote and the cities with majorities said, we want the water for the cities, not for the people where the water came from.

00:37:11.000 I said, that's really interesting.

00:37:12.000 So if you try to figure out a way to balance this, looking at a national level, what happens if you go to a state like Montana that's about to be inducted and given statehood and we say, we're going to do everything popular vote.

00:37:22.000 Montana goes, you're going to come in here and you're going to vote to take out all of our water from us.

00:37:26.000 In fact, it happened.

00:37:28.000 Arizona tried suing, filed a lawsuit against, I think it was Illinois, to take Great Lakes water.

00:37:34.000 And the only reason it got stopped is because Ontario is a foreign country and it's part of the Great Lakes coalition.

00:37:39.000 So that would interfere with Canada, an international obligation.

00:37:42.000 So Arizona was not able to start shipping water from the Great Lakes, which would have depleted it.

00:37:46.000 So what I end up seeing is you tell the states, here's what we're going to do.

00:37:51.000 There'll be two forms of representation.

00:37:52.000 You're not guaranteed to win.

00:37:54.000 The people may actually vote to take the water and the minerals from your state.

00:37:57.000 But we'll create two systems.

00:37:59.000 One, you're a small state.

00:38:01.000 You'll get one at-large representative.

00:38:02.000 But you'll have two senators. 1.00

00:38:03.000 Every state gets two senators.

00:38:04.000 And the Senate will be your competing voice.

00:38:06.000 So there'll be some minority representation.

00:38:08.000 Lest we see what happens inside of California, where two million people living in an urban center...

00:38:14.000 Put it up to a vote.

00:38:15.000 We 2 million outweigh the 300,000.

00:38:17.000 We take all their water.

00:38:18.000 And they did.

00:38:19.000 And those people didn't have any water.

00:38:21.000 I don't think there's a perfect solution for it, but I think something there works.

00:38:26.000 So, Tim, I can show you thousands of examples where people get outvoted and it feels like an injustice and it feels...

00:38:32.000 I get outvoted all the time, right?

00:38:35.000 And so it is what it is, and that's not a reason to take down democracy.

00:38:40.000 So what I'm worried about is this dangerous talk of, well, some people don't like what the government concluded, so maybe we shouldn't do majority rule.

00:38:48.000 Maybe we should just let...

00:38:50.000 And if I reverse it and I go, okay, maybe we shouldn't do majority rule.

00:38:55.000 You know what?

00:38:55.000 Maybe the Democrats just should rule forever because they're kinder.

00:38:59.000 They're nicer, right?

00:39:00.000 Of course we're not going to agree to that, right?

00:39:02.000 I hope you're not going to agree to that.

00:39:03.000 So why would I want the Republicans to rule?

00:39:05.000 And every single time people go back to, yeah, but the Republicans should be.

00:39:09.000 Let me ask you one clarifying question.

00:39:11.000 In your view for democracy then, would it be acceptable for a major city to vote to take the water away from poor workers?

00:39:21.000 So it depends on the context, Tim.

00:39:23.000 Just the context I gave you.

00:39:24.000 No, for example, the way that California was built in the first place is they brought the water from Northern California to Southern California.

00:39:29.000 Now, in that time, there was enormous corruption.

00:39:32.000 It was a long time ago.

00:39:33.000 And the guy who owned the LA Times, the guy who did the corruption, got profited off of it.

00:39:37.000 But it brought water down to Los Angeles and created one of the greatest cities in the world.

00:39:43.000 So did that water at some point...

00:39:46.000 Was it somewhere else in California?

00:39:48.000 It was.

00:39:48.000 Did the people that had all of the water want it to go down to LA? Probably not.

00:39:52.000 Did they get out?

00:39:54.000 In that case, they were outmaneuvered.

00:39:55.000 But if they were outvoted, I get it.

00:39:58.000 I get why.

00:39:58.000 At the same time, that doesn't mean you leave them high and dry.

00:40:00.000 It doesn't mean that you say, I don't care about you because I just took your water.

00:40:04.000 Who cares?

00:40:04.000 No, you have to compensate them.

00:40:05.000 You have to do all these things.

00:40:06.000 You have to work together.

00:40:08.000 And you're right at your core of saying democracy, but you need democracy.

00:40:12.000 Civil rights protection.

00:40:13.000 Civil rights doesn't mean for racial minorities. 0.72

00:40:15.000 It means for all of us, for people who are left-wing, right-wing, etc.

00:40:19.000 Because if you have a left-wing government or a democratic government and all of a sudden they go, you know what?

00:40:23.000 We decided democracy is no good.

00:40:25.000 We're just canceling the elections.

00:40:27.000 We're terminating the constitution.

00:40:28.000 We thought there was massive fraud or whatever we thought, right?

00:40:30.000 And so now you guys are a permanent minority.

00:40:32.000 But don't worry.

00:40:33.000 Don't worry.

00:40:33.000 You'll be fine.

00:40:34.000 No, no, that's not acceptable.

00:40:36.000 We stick with this system.

00:40:38.000 But again, I'm not as worried about it today because Trump won the popular vote.

00:40:43.000 I was very worried about it when the Republicans kept losing the popular vote and they started talking against democracy.

00:40:50.000 And so that was awfully convenient as you guys lose national vote after national vote after national vote.

00:40:54.000 You go, maybe we don't do democracy.

00:40:56.000 No, no, no, no.

00:40:57.000 Don't mess around with that.

00:40:58.000 Now he won the popular vote.

00:40:59.000 Great.

00:41:00.000 Then he won it.

00:41:00.000 No problem.

00:41:01.000 You know, here's the crazy thing.

00:41:03.000 I do want to jump to this next segment, but no conservative calls me conservative.

00:41:07.000 The far left calls me a conservative.

00:41:09.000 My politics align with, like, I supported Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, and I supported Bernie Sanders in 2016. In 2020, I thought he was too old, but I generally liked him to a certain degree.

00:41:23.000 And I met a lot of people in 2015 and 2016 who were Bernie supporters who, when he got knocked out, flipped for Trump because of border policy and workers' rights policy.

00:41:32.000 So it's crazy now that we're at this point—and that's what I was saying earlier about how the Democrat recovers if— I'm the person who in 2020 was saying, please save the Democratic Party because I'm not a Republican.

00:41:44.000 I don't agree with them on a lot of things.

00:41:46.000 But now, here I am.

00:41:48.000 Here's Joe Rogan.

00:41:48.000 Here's RFK Jr. Here's Tulsi Gabbard.

00:41:50.000 Here's Colin Wright.

00:41:51.000 Here's Elon Musk.

00:41:52.000 All of these people who were Democrats, who were either a little bit progressive or just moderately liberal, are now aligned with the Republican Party.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, so a couple of interesting things in there.

00:42:02.000 First of all, that's a wide range of people, and they all have different motives and different thoughts, etc.

00:42:07.000 So RFK Jr. was definitely a Democrat, and we would have stayed a Democrat if the Democratic Party didn't push him out, right?

00:42:13.000 Tulsi, I think, was always going to go right-wing.

00:42:15.000 You think so?

00:42:16.000 Why?

00:42:16.000 Yeah.

00:42:17.000 That's a long story.

00:42:18.000 She's... 1.00

00:42:20.000 I don't want to get back into Tulsi, but we called her out as going to go right wing a year before she did it. 0.99

00:42:26.000 And we got a lot of pushback from the left. 0.96

00:42:29.000 And they're like, oh, you're crazy. 0.90

00:42:30.000 She's not going to do that. 0.90

00:42:31.000 But we backed it up with here's why we think that, right?

00:42:34.000 She went to go talk to Steve Bannon and Trump after they won in 2016. She's been trying to get it.

00:42:39.000 First, she tried to get in with the establishment Democrats.

00:42:41.000 That didn't work.

00:42:42.000 Then she went to progressives and tried to get in.

00:42:44.000 And there, that was working a little bit.

00:42:45.000 But then she ran against Bernie, etc.

00:42:48.000 And we're like, okay, there's nothing wrong with running against Bernie.

00:42:50.000 But all of a sudden, she loves the drone strikes, even though she claims she's anti-war.

00:42:54.000 She showed support for torture back in the day.

00:42:58.000 What, with Abu Ghraib and all of that?

00:42:59.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 And so, oh, well, I don't like torture, but it might be necessary.

00:43:03.000 No, no.

00:43:04.000 Torture, the minute you say it might be necessary, that means you're pro-torture.

00:43:08.000 Let's not go too much into talking.

00:43:09.000 Yeah, I got you.

00:43:10.000 My point, and that's why I didn't want to get too deep in the details.

00:43:13.000 In your case, Tim, look, you were more on the left.

00:43:16.000 You know that, right?

00:43:17.000 And your positions that are more prominent, that people hear more about, are more right-wing.

00:43:23.000 Like what?

00:43:24.000 So some of the culture war issues that I don't want either side playing culture wars, etc.

00:43:31.000 And some of the things that we've done on the show, but I don't remember every single thing.

00:43:37.000 On guns and Kyle Rittenhouse and racial issues, etc.

00:43:42.000 But I agree with Anna Kasparin on Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:43:45.000 Yeah.

00:43:46.000 Well, no.

00:43:47.000 I don't know if you guys exactly agree or not, but I don't agree with Anna on that.

00:43:51.000 And we've had that debate on here.

00:43:53.000 What's that?

00:43:53.000 Why?

00:43:54.000 Alright, now we're going to get into Kyle.

00:43:56.000 I don't want to just...

00:43:58.000 So, but Tim...

00:43:59.000 That's not a political position.

00:44:00.000 That's a fact question of what happened.

00:44:02.000 Yeah, alright.

00:44:03.000 Look, I understand what you're saying, Tim, but almost every time you're in the news is for a right-wing position.

00:44:08.000 But listen, let me finish the thought.

00:44:10.000 But I hear you.

00:44:11.000 And you just said, for example, you're pro-choice.

00:44:13.000 And what I'm getting to is, it's the left-right thing is not really working anymore, right?

00:44:19.000 Because your positions, yes, are sometimes, in a lot of instances, left, middle, right, etc.

00:44:26.000 Now, and, you know...

00:44:30.000 Our position on crime, I don't know if it's left or right anymore, right?

00:44:35.000 I'm against crime, but I want police reform.

00:44:37.000 I think that's left, but some portions of the left say, no, that's not left.

00:44:41.000 No, you have to pretend crime doesn't exist.

00:44:45.000 I'm like, wait, how is that a left-wing position?

00:44:47.000 That's not really a left-wing position.

00:44:48.000 So my point is, you're right.

00:44:50.000 It's become jumbled, and that's why I talk about reality. 0.89

00:44:54.000 It's liars. 0.88

00:44:55.000 That's everything.

00:44:56.000 So I'll give you an example.

00:44:57.000 My Wikipedia says that I denied COVID, got COVID, and then sought ivermectin.

00:45:02.000 None of which is true.

00:45:04.000 Never denied COVID, never sought ivermectin.

00:45:06.000 I got monoclonal antibodies.

00:45:07.000 But Gizmodo fabricated the whole thing.

00:45:10.000 They called me about that.

00:45:11.000 They called you about me getting ivermectin?

00:45:13.000 No, they called me about getting COVID from Tim Pool.

00:45:18.000 Well, so anyway, my point is, I'll give a really good example.

00:45:22.000 When the Burisma scandal happens, and Matt Taibbi He was a liberal guy.

00:45:27.000 He wrote for The Rolling Stone.

00:45:28.000 Writes this long substack, I think it was a substack, about Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor in Ukraine, had a dozen, 12 to 14 open investigations into the CEO of Burisma, Michael Slachewski.

00:45:40.000 And then I come out and make a video and go, whoa, Matt Taibbi has got these documents.

00:45:45.000 Viktor Shokin signed a sworn affidavit that he was fired because of Joe Biden coming in and making these threats.

00:45:50.000 That's not a right wing position.

00:45:52.000 Yeah, I don't think that is either.

00:45:54.000 But that's all they ever say about me.

00:45:56.000 If I come out and say anything policy-wise, like I'll say, oh, I'm for a form of universal basic health care where I think if you've got like a broken bone or the flu, you should be able to be treated.

00:46:05.000 I think there should be some kind of welfare system that covers this.

00:46:08.000 Nope, Tim Pool's right wing.

00:46:09.000 We had Matt Bender on the show.

00:46:11.000 And I'm pro-choice in being like, I think there's a certain time period like women, you know, I'm not a fan of abortion. 0.88

00:46:16.000 He called me pro-life.

00:46:18.000 And so whenever I'm in the news for something right-wing, it's probably because Sam Seder fabricated a clip, and then people played it up.

00:46:25.000 So I hear you, Tim.

00:46:26.000 I've been lied about so many times that I greatly empathize with that.

00:46:30.000 But overall, we're agreeing on the major point, which is...

00:46:33.000 Things don't fit left and right as much as they used to.

00:46:36.000 Back in the day, and here's another reason for the optimism that I have.

00:46:40.000 Back in the day, when I talked to a Republican, I was never going to get agreement on anything.

00:46:43.000 And I was never going to get a real conversation.

00:46:46.000 I was going to get talking points.

00:46:47.000 And probably you guys felt the same way about Democrats, right?

00:46:50.000 Talking point, talking point, talking point.

00:46:51.000 And that's why, like, for a long time we had no politicians on the show, right?

00:46:56.000 Because I'm just, I'm like, what's the point?

00:46:58.000 I know what you're going to say.

00:46:59.000 I can tell you what you're going to say before you say it.

00:47:01.000 Right?

00:47:02.000 So this is super boring and uninteresting.

00:47:04.000 And so I'm like talking to the right wing.

00:47:07.000 I'm just talking to a bunch of robots.

00:47:08.000 I don't want to do that.

00:47:10.000 But now it's not robots anymore.

00:47:12.000 So now we've got real people going, okay, I love Trump and I think that they're a little, you know, too enamored with Trump, right?

00:47:21.000 Right?

00:47:22.000 But I got you.

00:47:23.000 But do they genuinely believe in freedom?

00:47:25.000 I think they do.

00:47:26.000 I hope they do.

00:47:27.000 And I think a lot of them do.

00:47:29.000 Are a lot of them anti-war?

00:47:30.000 Well, we're going to find out.

00:47:31.000 But I think they are.

00:47:33.000 And so this is the argument that I'm having with the left.

00:47:35.000 They say, no, give no quarter, go maximalist response, etc.

00:47:39.000 A lot of people say that.

00:47:41.000 And I'm saying, well, let's find out first.

00:47:43.000 Okay?

00:47:44.000 So I know what Trump did in the past.

00:47:45.000 That's why I voted against him.

00:47:47.000 I know what Kash Patel has said and Hegsiv has said and stuff, and that's why I'm against him.

00:47:50.000 Now, having said that, it's a new day.

00:47:53.000 He actually genuinely won this election.

00:47:55.000 So number one, we're not going to get what we want on immigration because the election was partly about immigration and we lost.

00:48:02.000 Okay?

00:48:03.000 So if you didn't want that, then you should have picked a great candidate and you should have won.

00:48:07.000 Okay?

00:48:07.000 But number two, if Trump goes out of bounds...

00:48:11.000 I believe that some of the right-wing populace will be a check on him.

00:48:15.000 We just saw it with his nomination for DEA. So this is a guy...

00:48:19.000 I forgot his name.

00:48:20.000 Do you remember his name?

00:48:21.000 Is it Chris something?

00:48:22.000 DEA? The Florida Sheriff?

00:48:24.000 Yeah, he resigned today.

00:48:25.000 He resigned his nomination.

00:48:27.000 Trump nominated him for the head of DEA. And the mega base and some who aren't necessarily mega...

00:48:33.000 He was a COVID enforcer.

00:48:35.000 He arrested a pastor...

00:48:37.000 This is a pastor who apparently spent like a hundred grand to refit his whole church so that it was compliant with all the regulations.

00:48:43.000 And then this guy still arrested him and then held a press conference saying, we've shut this guy down.

00:48:48.000 He posted about it on what was then Twitter.

00:48:50.000 He was very excited about it.

00:48:51.000 And then he was doing a vaccine.

00:48:55.000 He wasn't doing mandates.

00:48:56.000 My point is, whether you agree or disagree, the point is Trump's base, major backlash, and this guy's been forced to resign.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, I think that's super positive, even though I don't agree with Trump's base on that particular issue.

00:49:08.000 And I'm not saying about the pastor.

00:49:10.000 You guys might be right about the pastor, right?

00:49:12.000 But like on COVID, you know, I'm on the left, right?

00:49:16.000 And so we can get into the details of that.

00:49:18.000 But the bottom line is...

00:49:21.000 I don't care what the issue is.

00:49:22.000 I care that they held him accountable.

00:49:25.000 Hold on, let me just finish that thought.

00:49:28.000 So if they hold him accountable on the DEA guy, what I'm hoping is that they're going to hold him accountable on some of the other picks if it goes wrong, right?

00:49:38.000 We might disagree here, but I think there's Team Israel, which is Marco Rubio, Lee Stefanik, Mike Huckabee, and Mike Walls.

00:49:45.000 They're done to satiate Miriam Adelson, who gave him $137 million.

00:49:50.000 So now Trump says, let's give the Palestinians even more hell.

00:49:55.000 OK, fine.

00:49:56.000 So far, the right wing is not really going to object because they don't really care about the Palestinians.

00:49:59.000 OK, sorry if that offends you, but that's just reality.

00:50:01.000 OK, but if Trump goes, OK, I am now helping Israel to invade Iran. 0.96

00:50:06.000 OK, and we're going to go bomb them and we're going to pay for it.

00:50:09.000 And you guys are going to be on the hook for two trillion dollars, et cetera. 0.96

00:50:13.000 Then I then I'm super curious.

00:50:15.000 Is the MAGA base going to go?

00:50:16.000 No, we were.

00:50:17.000 He'd lose.

00:50:18.000 I think there'd be like 30 percent would be like, we trust you, Trump.

00:50:22.000 Everybody else is going to be losing their minds.

00:50:23.000 I hope so, and that's what I'm beginning to believe, and that's why I'm now a heretic on the left.

00:50:27.000 How could you possibly think that the right-wing populists are not evil?

00:50:32.000 And I'm saying, I don't think they're evil.

00:50:34.000 I think that we might massively disagree on some issues, as you're seeing here, right?

00:50:38.000 But I think that these guys actually mean anti-war, and they mean anti-corruption. 0.96

00:50:42.000 Yeah, I think Trump is corrupt, but the Democratic Party is corrupt, the Republican Party is corrupt. 0.76

00:50:46.000 So, look, let's let him do some things, and then let's react, right? 0.97

00:50:52.000 So...

00:50:53.000 What is the...

00:50:54.000 You said you're on COVID, you're on the left.

00:50:56.000 Like, how would you describe that?

00:50:58.000 So, look, did I take everything they said as a fact and, you know, from God himself?

00:51:06.000 No, right?

00:51:07.000 For example, they're like, no, it didn't come from the Wuhan lab.

00:51:12.000 This virus broke out right next to one of the biggest virus labs in the world, but we think it was from an armadillo or whatever they thought it was, right?

00:51:21.000 And I was like...

00:51:23.000 Maybe!

00:51:23.000 Right?

00:51:24.000 But, no, it was a bad...

00:51:25.000 Pangolin?

00:51:26.000 It was a pangolin.

00:51:27.000 No, no, it was a pangolin.

00:51:28.000 Not for a minute, yeah.

00:51:30.000 For a second, they were talking about pangolins, and they were also talking about bats that were like 100 miles away in some cave.

00:51:36.000 Yeah, so I was like, look, guys, that seems less likely.

00:51:39.000 It seems more likely that it came from the virus lab.

00:51:42.000 On the other hand, probably the core disagreement we'll have is...

00:51:46.000 Did you get attacked for that?

00:51:47.000 What's that?

00:51:48.000 Did you get attacked for saying that?

00:51:49.000 No, not really, because that one was so... 0.96

00:51:52.000 It wasn't a big enough issue, and it was so silly.

00:51:56.000 When did you say that then? 0.79

00:51:57.000 Oh, I said it right when they said it.

00:52:01.000 Because it made perfect sense.

00:52:02.000 Is that the main point of difference we have?

00:52:08.000 Society, especially in a democracy with civil rights, etc., is a balancing act between the individual and the community.

00:52:15.000 Sometimes the community wants something, but that hurts the individual rights, and sometimes you protect individual rights, but that hurts the community, right?

00:52:21.000 So how do you balance those?

00:52:22.000 And a virus is a great example of how difficult it is to balance those.

00:52:27.000 So, for example, if you had a virus, unlike COVID, that if upon contact, like, you catch it in the air at all, you're dead, right?

00:52:35.000 You're instantly dead.

00:52:36.000 Well, could we then say, no, everybody's got to stay home?

00:52:39.000 Like an Ebola type of thing?

00:52:41.000 Like an Ebola, but even worse, right?

00:52:43.000 Just to make it an extreme hypothetical, right?

00:52:45.000 So I say, no, then we support the community and we say, yeah, you got to stay home.

00:52:49.000 And yes, I am taking away your individual rights in that particular case.

00:52:53.000 Now, then you have a range of viruses.

00:52:55.000 So for smallpox, it was devastating not only America but the US troops during the Revolutionary War.

00:53:03.000 And Washington said, we're going to give you guys all this thing that's basically a vaccine, right?

00:53:10.000 But we know it's going to kill a lot of you because back then the vaccines were horrible.

00:53:14.000 Yeah.

00:53:16.000 But it saved the rest of the army and it saved the war.

00:53:19.000 And that's why America exists now.

00:53:21.000 You can go back and say, I can't believe he took away their individual freedom.

00:53:24.000 I can't believe.

00:53:25.000 Not only did he kick them out of the army, but he killed them in a sense, right?

00:53:30.000 But overall, it was the right decision.

00:53:33.000 So that's why it's not easy.

00:53:35.000 And so in the case of COVID, in the beginning, it seemed so viral that, yeah, I agreed with you should wear masks outside, and you want to contain the number of people in a house, yeah.

00:53:46.000 Now, at some point, it got absurd, right?

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 And when it got absurd, I said, all right, guys, we're done with this.

00:53:52.000 What are we doing?

00:53:53.000 The kids got to go back to school, etc.

00:53:55.000 Now, looking back at it in hindsight, there are probably a couple of things I would have done differently.

00:54:00.000 But you see what I'm saying by being on the left means, in that case, I want to protect the community more.

00:54:05.000 Well, we don't disagree with that.

00:54:05.000 I don't think that's a left-right thing.

00:54:07.000 Trump was the one who came out and said two weeks to slow the spread and initiated the push for lockdowns in the first place.

00:54:13.000 I think the issue was when BLM was protesting and rioting during COVID, the media and prominent personalities were like, this actually slowed the spread.

00:54:21.000 You also had a whole bunch of doctors come out and sign a letter saying that racism was a bigger health threat than COVID.

00:54:28.000 And then you also had Andrew Cuomo saying, you know, if you're going out to protest for BLM, then that's okay, but otherwise you need to stay home.

00:54:38.000 And then you had 10,000 people out front of the Brooklyn Museum, you know, protesting for black trans lives, and the rest of us were supposed to stay home because we weren't doing that.

00:54:46.000 Let me do this.

00:54:47.000 Let me jump to this segment.

00:54:48.000 I want to pull this story up from Neiman Lab.

00:54:50.000 Heavens me, this is one of the greatest headlines I've ever seen.

00:54:53.000 For those that don't know, Neiman Lab is a journalism college, university institution, and they report and cover how things go in media.

00:55:01.000 So if you're in journalism school or you work in media, you know all about them.

00:55:05.000 Here's their headline.

00:55:07.000 Tuning out TV news might be behind the decline in media trust.

00:55:12.000 No, really.

00:55:14.000 Okay, here's the first paragraph.

00:55:15.000 A new wide-ranging study finds that trust in news has fallen further in countries where television news use has declined, as well as in countries where more people are turning to social media for news.

00:55:26.000 So let me just scream this.

00:55:29.000 They are saying, wow, in the places where people don't watch TV news, trust has declined.

00:55:35.000 That must mean not watching TV news makes you not trust them.

00:55:39.000 Perhaps they could look back, think for two seconds, and realize people have dumped TV news because they're lying.

00:55:46.000 That makes more sense. 0.99

00:55:47.000 Holy crap! 0.98

00:55:48.000 This is like something that my son was telling me about where he was saying that the children of atheists have higher reading levels. 0.98

00:55:56.000 And I was like, that's because atheists are mostly intellectuals who went to college.

00:55:59.000 Like, that's why.

00:56:01.000 It's not about the religion.

00:56:02.000 You know, what I see here is we all watched a media...

00:56:08.000 People uncritically just say, oh, Joe's not going to pardon his son.

00:56:11.000 There's that viral video, nine minutes of them saying, but he said he wouldn't do it.

00:56:15.000 And then when he does, they're like, oh, I never saw that coming.

00:56:18.000 We kept reporting on at the Post Millennial.

00:56:21.000 We kept saying Corrine Jean-Pierre said that Biden would not pardon his son.

00:56:25.000 Biden said Biden will not pardon his son.

00:56:27.000 John Kirby, whoever said it, Biden will not pardon his son.

00:56:30.000 And people were like, why?

00:56:31.000 You know, like we covered this already.

00:56:33.000 I'm like, no, we have to keep covering it because they are lying.

00:56:35.000 Right.

00:56:36.000 And that's going to come out, and we need the record of these lies.

00:56:39.000 And, of course, no one was surprised when Hunter Biden was pardoned.

00:56:44.000 Yeah, I know.

00:56:44.000 The people who were surprised, like, where have you guys been?

00:56:47.000 Like, obviously this was going to happen.

00:56:49.000 And then NBC reported that they were considering it back in June after the first conviction on the gun charges.

00:56:54.000 And, of course, they were, you guys.

00:56:56.000 Of course.

00:56:57.000 This is for everybody.

00:56:58.000 Do you get the sense that the rank-and-file Democrat...

00:57:03.000 Do you think that they were surprised?

00:57:05.000 I kind of agree with Cenk on this one because he's saying that the unity is the main thing, that they have to go along.

00:57:16.000 So I don't even think that they know whether or not they feel that they were deceived.

00:57:21.000 They were surprised because they're marching in lockstep with the approved line and then overnight it changed without them knowing.

00:57:28.000 But they keep going along with the approved line, whatever it is.

00:57:31.000 They're like, oh, we're going this way.

00:57:32.000 Now we're going this way.

00:57:33.000 Now our hair is blue.

00:57:34.000 Now we're screaming.

00:57:35.000 Now we're not.

00:57:35.000 Yeah, so this is the part that I agree with you guys most on.

00:57:39.000 So first off, I totally agree with your interpretation of this article.

00:57:44.000 And this is the kind of stuff that basically Noam Chomsky warned about decades ago.

00:57:51.000 And so I had Noam on the show a couple of times, and I asked him one time, I said, so where do you get your news?

00:57:56.000 You know the New York Times and CNN and all these things skew the news, they manufacture consent, etc.

00:58:03.000 You're the guy who originally wrote about it.

00:58:05.000 So he says, what I do is I read the New York Times or Washington Post just for the facts, and I ignore all other facts.

00:58:12.000 Words, sentences, etc.

00:58:14.000 Because that's their BS interpretation.

00:58:16.000 So this is a good example.

00:58:17.000 So, you know, TV viewing has gone down.

00:58:20.000 That's a fact.

00:58:21.000 No problem, right?

00:58:22.000 Trust in media has gone down.

00:58:24.000 That's a fact.

00:58:24.000 No problem, right?

00:58:25.000 And then they say that's because people aren't watching TV and they hate online media.

00:58:31.000 No, that's not a fact.

00:58:32.000 You made that part up, okay?

00:58:34.000 I can take those two facts and as Tim said, I can interpret that correctly as...

00:58:39.000 Yeah, they decline in trust in media.

00:58:42.000 That's why they stop watching TV. Like, it's super obvious.

00:58:45.000 That's a better explanation.

00:58:46.000 And the fact that they write it as if they're writing an objective piece, right, with the exact opposite interpretation is what is maddening.

00:58:54.000 And so that's what I mean by the establishment prison.

00:58:57.000 They all have certain, like...

00:58:59.000 Talking points and a certain group think, and they're going to shove that down your throat.

00:59:04.000 And unfortunately these days, and what I'm greatly frustrated by the Democratic Party, and that's why I want to reform it, is that yes, it's more true of Democrats these days.

00:59:13.000 And that is why they get confused on the pardon, right?

00:59:16.000 Because to answer your question, guys, they...

00:59:20.000 No, they really believed everything Joe Biden says.

00:59:23.000 So when Joe Biden said he wasn't going to pardon his son, the mainstream Democratic voters thought, oh, that means that Joe Biden's a saint.

00:59:30.000 He never lies, right? 1.00

00:59:31.000 Trump's a giant liar, but all of our – and all the Republicans are liars. 1.00

00:59:35.000 Mitch McConnell's a liar, et cetera. 1.00

00:59:37.000 But Pelosi and Biden have never told a lie. 0.88

00:59:38.000 They're angels, right?

00:59:39.000 I mean I got yelled at on NPR because I said, look – Mitch McConnell takes a billion dollars and serves as donors, right?

00:59:47.000 And everybody's like, generally, yeah, right, right, right.

00:59:49.000 And I said, Nancy Pelosi takes a billion dollars and serves as donors, right? 1.00

00:59:54.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:59:56.000 And the listeners are irate, the host is irate, etc.

01:00:00.000 Blasphemy.

01:00:01.000 Blasphemy.

01:00:02.000 So when Joe Biden says he's not going to pardon them, they genuinely believed it.

01:00:05.000 And so they're shocked. 0.93

01:00:06.000 And what I've been saying all along is, guys, establishment politicians are all liars. 0.97

01:00:12.000 Like, through and through. 0.83

01:00:14.000 Because the central lie of both the politicians and the establishment media is...

01:00:19.000 The donors are not in charge.

01:00:21.000 The donors have nothing to do with anything, and there is no establishment.

01:00:27.000 I was on Piers Morgan, and this is a really interesting story in a sample. 0.87

01:00:32.000 Dan Crenshaw, who's more establishment as a politician, I said this exact same thing, and he goes, oh, that's ridiculous. 0.51

01:00:40.000 There is no establishment. 0.74

01:00:42.000 Okay?

01:00:43.000 And we don't do what our donors tell us.

01:00:44.000 And I was like, hold on.

01:00:45.000 Vinny, what do you think?

01:00:46.000 Vinny from Patrick Ben-David's show, right?

01:00:49.000 Right-wing populist.

01:00:50.000 He's like, of course there's an establishment, and of course you guys do what your donors tell you to do, right?

01:00:54.000 See, there is the realignment.

01:00:56.000 Populist agreeing against the establishment.

01:00:59.000 I'm trying to have a little bit of nuance here because I feel like you use the establishment as a catch-all when there are multiple different interests at play and they're often against one another.

01:01:07.000 So, for example, we'll call Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden both the establishment.

01:01:11.000 But guess what?

01:01:11.000 Nancy Pelosi was behind kind of stabbing Joe Biden in the back.

01:01:15.000 I'm kind of asking this because for all your political opponents, it seems all of them are only motivated by money all of the time.

01:01:21.000 However, for all the candidates you support, all of them are so pure-hearted.

01:01:25.000 So isn't that simple where it's just like, no, you know, if you are a Republican, it's just...

01:01:29.000 He said Pelosi and McConnell are both...

01:01:31.000 No, not Pelosi.

01:01:32.000 I'm saying Pelosi and Joe Biden.

01:01:34.000 These are establishments of the same party.

01:01:36.000 I'm just saying there's multiple...

01:01:37.000 The establishment is too catch-all, and there are multiple different interests, powerful interests at play, and they're often antithetical to one another.

01:01:44.000 So, like, there's big tech.

01:01:46.000 There's big tech influence, and they raised a ton of money.

01:01:48.000 Elon Musk raised over $100 million, but apparently it's only a bad...

01:01:51.000 He didn't raise it.

01:01:52.000 He gave it.

01:01:53.000 He gave it, but when Miriam Adelson gives $100 million to Donald Trump, it's a bigger deal.

01:01:57.000 No, I think both are a big deal.

01:01:59.000 Oh, okay, but it just seems like you seem to focus on that.

01:02:02.000 No, no, Tim Mellon gave even more.

01:02:03.000 Tim Mellon gave $170 million.

01:02:05.000 Is it a problem when we have big Democrat donors?

01:02:07.000 I want to talk about media.

01:02:09.000 Can I just answer them real quick on one thing?

01:02:12.000 No, brother.

01:02:13.000 So when Matt Gaetz and Josh Hawley stopped taking corporate PAC money, they then introduced anti-corruption bills, anti-war bills, and I said, there you go.

01:02:20.000 That's the difference, right?

01:02:22.000 You stop taking corporate PAC money, and so I still have huge disagreements with Matt Gaetz and Hawley on other things, but at least they got honest on that front, right?

01:02:30.000 That puts them in the populist camp rather than the establishment camp.

01:02:33.000 And so if there's a delineation, the best delineation is probably corporate PAC money.

01:02:38.000 And so in terms of Pelosi and Biden, that is a super rare thing.

01:02:41.000 That's why everybody was shocked.

01:02:43.000 Well, it used to be on both sides, but Trump changed the Republican side.

01:02:47.000 So on the Democratic side, the establishment never turns on one another.

01:02:52.000 Never.

01:02:52.000 So when Pelosi did it to Biden, it was shocking.

01:02:55.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:02:57.000 Because here we are, me and a couple of other people saying, Biden is not young, this is terrible, etc.

01:03:04.000 But we're not going to win that fight.

01:03:06.000 We need to push, push, push until someone like Pelosi and behind the scenes Obama said, yeah, no, he's too old.

01:03:13.000 I think there's more infighting behind the establishment and it's an easy attack.

01:03:15.000 Talking about media, one of the things I wanted to ask you is...

01:03:20.000 We can see the establishment media, they're lying and all these things.

01:03:23.000 But I've got some issues with things that you guys have reported in the past pertaining to me.

01:03:27.000 And I think there's liars on the right in the independent media space.

01:03:31.000 There are people, there was one video where, this is a couple months ago, I noticed that we were featured on the front page of YouTube, default, not signed in or whatever.

01:03:40.000 I was like, oh wow, that's crazy.

01:03:41.000 And I noticed that our viewership jumped, so I checked with an incognito window.

01:03:46.000 I also noticed a different video where someone took two clips of you and me, Totally different videos.

01:03:52.000 You on your show talking about something unrelated to me.

01:03:54.000 Me on my show talking about something unrelated to you, but edit it to make it seem like we were debating.

01:03:58.000 It had 40,000 views.

01:04:00.000 And I had never seen that before, probably because I don't really browse these kinds of videos.

01:04:04.000 But the comments were people being like, oh, wow, you know, Jack got him.

01:04:07.000 Oh, Tim snapped back.

01:04:08.000 And I'm like, wow, they made a fake debate between us.

01:04:12.000 And so certainly I think there's a lot of fake news going all around.

01:04:16.000 But I was going to first ask about, you know, Anna Kasparian.

01:04:19.000 She was saying that after she got assaulted by this homeless guy, not only was she called racist, but she saw these other progressive channels were making things up about her and lying about her.

01:04:28.000 And that was like a wake-up call.

01:04:30.000 So my response was, yes, this is what we see from the larger left space.

01:04:35.000 An example I have from you guys, and it's not the biggest news story in the world or anything, but just one example off the top of my head, is that There were five different studies that came out that said conservatives are more attractive than liberals on average.

01:04:46.000 And you guys did, I think, three different videos about me.

01:04:51.000 And in it, in one with Nando Villa, who I know, and Anna, who I know, they insulted me, called me ugly, said I was wrong.

01:05:00.000 Having nothing to do with news, this is what I get from progressive media when I was 100% dispassionate and correct.

01:05:07.000 My point was...

01:05:09.000 We had a study that came out as a story from like the Washington Post that said conservatives tend to be more attractive.

01:05:13.000 And I said, this is why you'll tend to see conservatives being fiercely independent and meritocratic because people who are more attractive go through life.

01:05:21.000 It's easier.

01:05:21.000 Everybody wants to give them things.

01:05:23.000 And then they say, hey, I lifted myself up by my bootstraps.

01:05:25.000 Why can't everybody else?

01:05:27.000 Liberals who tend to be less attractive say it's hard to live without support groups and they band together.

01:05:32.000 That's actually what multiple studies have found. 1.00

01:05:34.000 The response I got from you guys was three different segments where I was called ugly, stupid, gross, crooked teeth, putting up ugly pictures of me. 1.00

01:05:42.000 And so my question to you is why? 1.00

01:05:45.000 And like, how is that any better from the corporate press?

01:05:48.000 So there's two things there.

01:05:49.000 So number one, look, Tim, we went through this last time I was on the show, too.

01:05:55.000 So, brother, I don't agree with your interpretation, and I think that it's kind of self-serving to say our side is more attractive, and I know that you think...

01:06:02.000 I'm not saying my side.

01:06:03.000 It's not my side.

01:06:03.000 I'm not a conservative.

01:06:04.000 I know.

01:06:05.000 But I didn't make this up.

01:06:06.000 This is numerous studies.

01:06:07.000 No, I got you.

01:06:08.000 Look, there's eight different ways to frame an article.

01:06:10.000 There's eight different ways to frame a study.

01:06:12.000 So you've got to be careful about what the study says.

01:06:14.000 So, look, we disagree on that, but...

01:06:18.000 Did we go too far in having laughs, et cetera, about, oh, the attractive, et cetera?

01:06:24.000 Yeah, we probably did, okay?

01:06:26.000 But back then, we were more entrenched warfare, right?

01:06:30.000 And so back then, and the reason why a lot of the right wing has a completely skewed version of me is because people take clips and Usually out of context.

01:06:41.000 Or you're doing a big long segment and they'll take a 5 second clip, a 30 second clip, a 15 second clip, etc.

01:06:46.000 And that's all the other side ever sees.

01:06:48.000 So we see all of your whatever is the right wing points of view, right?

01:06:53.000 We don't see any of the left wing stuff.

01:06:55.000 We don't see any of the independent stuff.

01:06:56.000 Because that didn't make the news, right?

01:06:58.000 So for me, same thing for right-wing media.

01:07:00.000 They will show you stuff that they think is outrageous, but they're not going to show you all the times that I said, oh, it's probably from the Wuhan lab, Biden is too old, whatever, all those things, right?

01:07:09.000 So that's why we started getting a crazy skewed view of all of us, of each other, right?

01:07:15.000 So part of what Anna and I are doing now is we're trying to break down those walls, right?

01:07:20.000 Because you're here.

01:07:20.000 That's why I'm here.

01:07:21.000 That's why I was here last time.

01:07:23.000 That's why I'm going on Patrick Bet David again.

01:07:25.000 That's why I'm going on Drinking Bros.

01:07:27.000 And these are all over the place.

01:07:29.000 Lex Friedman, what's his politics?

01:07:31.000 Nobody even knows.

01:07:32.000 Right.

01:07:32.000 Right?

01:07:33.000 And I don't really care.

01:07:34.000 I just care about the conversation.

01:07:36.000 I went on Chris Williamson's show.

01:07:38.000 I'm not sure what his politics are.

01:07:40.000 Right?

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:41.000 And so I went on trigonometry.

01:07:43.000 So what?

01:07:44.000 Let's have a conversation.

01:07:45.000 Because part of the reason why we were making fun of each other and insulting each other and doing all this stuff is because we were so separated.

01:07:52.000 We stopped thinking of each other as fellow citizens, fellow Americans.

01:07:57.000 And so for the left, I'm trying to break that down.

01:08:00.000 And guys go, let's...

01:08:01.000 Hear them out.

01:08:03.000 Are they actually anti-war?

01:08:04.000 Before you make up your mind, are they actually anti-corruption?

01:08:08.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:08:09.000 I got you, brother.

01:08:10.000 But let's take...

01:08:10.000 Okay, look, the labor secretary.

01:08:13.000 There's no reason not to like the labor secretary.

01:08:15.000 The Teamsters helped to pick the labor secretary. 1.00

01:08:18.000 So take the goddamn win! 1.00

01:08:20.000 Take the win, right? 0.99

01:08:22.000 So if they really want to cut the Pentagon...

01:08:24.000 Great!

01:08:25.000 Are you kidding me?

01:08:26.000 We've been dying to cut the Pentagon.

01:08:27.000 Are you now going to say that you don't want to cut the Pentagon despite Trump?

01:08:32.000 That's crazy, right?

01:08:34.000 So we're trying to break down the walls and have these conversations.

01:08:37.000 To that point, that's something that we actually have, or at least I have, and I've heard Tim mention it as well, that we try to do or want to see happen because...

01:08:46.000 I believe that the craziness that has come from the left is from the extreme left and not from the normal kind of moderate left.

01:08:54.000 And there was a time in the United States where people on the left or people that were left-leaning and people that were right-leaning could go to barbecues together and hang out together and do normal things that weren't political without trying to kill each other or without actually hating each other.

01:09:10.000 And I think that it...

01:09:11.000 That kind of stuff starts by coming back to the fact that we're all Americans, we all want what's best for the country, or at least that's the common ground we should be able to find.

01:09:21.000 And if you can talk to people that actually do want what's best for the country, best for the people of America, then you can actually start to have a more civil political discourse in the country.

01:09:32.000 And it's something, again, I've talked about this a bunch of times, and it's something that's, in my opinion, necessary because as much as everyone talks about the meme of civil war, I've talked about we need an off-ramp.

01:09:43.000 And the off-ramp is being able to talk to people without getting at other people's throats.

01:09:49.000 And that's something me and Tim have talked about a bunch.

01:09:50.000 I think you being here, it's a major win.

01:09:51.000 Absolutely.

01:09:52.000 I respect and appreciate your response.

01:09:56.000 I'm sure I've got videos as well.

01:09:58.000 Everybody does.

01:09:58.000 I don't think I'm a saint.

01:09:59.000 But when we can have these conversations, we can pull up stories, we can discuss them, we can disagree on what they mean, like the Trump constitution thing. 0.89

01:10:07.000 You say, oh, you're crazy, you're wrong, but we're here. 0.65

01:10:09.000 And that's massive. 0.75

01:10:11.000 And I think that's going to...

01:10:12.000 I'm really optimistic moving forward.

01:10:14.000 I'm glad you are too.

01:10:15.000 So let me say a couple things about it.

01:10:17.000 First...

01:10:18.000 I was guilty of it, no question.

01:10:20.000 I remember writing after 2020, I'm like, I don't want to know any Trump voters.

01:10:24.000 I don't want to associate with Trump voters.

01:10:26.000 I got no interest in it, okay?

01:10:28.000 And so, but what I've seen is that, first of all, the Trump base changed.

01:10:33.000 I'm the only one on the left saying that.

01:10:35.000 And I'm so curious to see if I'm right or wrong, because your only time is going to tell when Trump does something the base doesn't like, is he tested, etc., etc., right?

01:10:46.000 But more importantly, when I started seeing, exactly to your point about the Civil War, not only did a big percentage of the right wing want to separate, like Marjorie Taylor Greene was saying, but then in the polls I started seeing, wait a minute, a huge percentage of Democrats want to separate.

01:11:04.000 Yeah.

01:11:04.000 Like, and so not as much as Republicans, at that time, Republicans had lost, right, in 2020. So, of course, they wanted it more.

01:11:10.000 But it was a big number for the Democrats. 0.97

01:11:12.000 Oh, maybe we separate out the coast, and oh, yeah, and we'll leave the rest of them to die, or whatever, right? 0.97

01:11:17.000 Or be live and squalor, all this.

01:11:18.000 I'm like, what do you, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:11:20.000 No, no, I hate this.

01:11:22.000 Because we're supposed to be America.

01:11:24.000 It's United States of America, right?

01:11:27.000 And so with that division, now it's gotten to...

01:11:30.000 Like a cancerous state where Joy Reid is saying, don't talk to family at Thanksgiving, right?

01:11:35.000 That's crazy.

01:11:36.000 That's crazy!

01:11:38.000 So some of my family members, some of my best friends are right wing, right?

01:11:42.000 And we do what we kind of are doing on this show. 0.98

01:11:46.000 I go, you're crazy. 1.00

01:11:47.000 He goes, you're crazy. 1.00

01:11:48.000 And then we go have a beer, right? 0.99

01:11:50.000 That's really good that you can do that.

01:11:52.000 I mean, it was like a few days after the election before my mom would return my text.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 I'm sorry to hear that.

01:12:00.000 Yeah, we can't do that, man.

01:12:01.000 We've got to talk to each other.

01:12:02.000 Otherwise, we might not know when we agree.

01:12:04.000 Well, maybe you can reach out to Crystal Ball and ask her to apologize.

01:12:08.000 Because I saw that clip from earlier where she lied about me. 0.99

01:12:11.000 Or maybe she was just wrong and she didn't fact check what she was saying.

01:12:15.000 But...

01:12:16.000 You know, I get sent this clip where you were on her show and she said, I was told to push Russian propaganda or some other nonsense.

01:12:22.000 It was a complete fabrication.

01:12:23.000 Not true.

01:12:24.000 You were even on that show, which is totally independent.

01:12:28.000 No one told us to host you on the Culture War podcast.

01:12:30.000 It was a show that got licensed out.

01:12:32.000 And then I think this is another...

01:12:35.000 You know, so we have the clip here.

01:12:36.000 I mean, it's just Crystal Ball saying, you know, I'm blackpilled because, you know, Tim Pool took shady money and was told to push propaganda or whatever, which is completely fake.

01:12:44.000 Just not real.

01:12:46.000 And so maybe there's an opportunity for – I asked her for a retraction and apology.

01:12:51.000 I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

01:12:52.000 It's not true.

01:12:53.000 And maybe there's – you know, you can reach out to her and tell her – I'm not going to do that.

01:12:57.000 You're not going to say, hey, Tim Pool hit you up?

01:12:59.000 No.

01:12:59.000 Tim, I mean, look – So how do we fix problems like this?

01:13:04.000 Okay, but Tim, you're gonna make me ask you a question.

01:13:06.000 Okay, but if that's not what happened, what happened?

01:13:08.000 You were on that show, The Culture War, right?

01:13:11.000 I was on one episode.

01:13:12.000 You were on one episode?

01:13:12.000 Sure.

01:13:13.000 We produced it in-house.

01:13:14.000 You came to our studio.

01:13:15.000 We reached out to you, asked you to come on the show.

01:13:17.000 Nobody told us to do that.

01:13:18.000 We produce everything.

01:13:19.000 I own the company 100%, and we licensed distribution, not exclusively to one company that was run out of Tennessee by a prominent conservative podcaster who worked for The Blaze.

01:13:29.000 That's what happened.

01:13:30.000 After the fact, if she got money from anywhere else, I have nothing to do with that.

01:13:34.000 Right.

01:13:34.000 It did come from the Russians at some point.

01:13:38.000 Allegedly, right now...

01:13:39.000 You acknowledge that.

01:13:39.000 Well, there's a DOJ indictment alleging that RT employees had funneled money through Shell Companies to Lauren Chen, which she then used to pay out multiple personalities that she had signed agreements with.

01:13:50.000 I don't know about the agreements of any other people, but the question I asked of Sam Cedar and I ask of you, you have sponsors on the Young Turks?

01:13:57.000 Yeah.

01:13:58.000 Do you ask them where they get their funding from?

01:14:02.000 When a company comes to you and says, hey, we want to license a segment from your show, do you say, hold on, I've got to figure out what company is providing the funding, what's your revenue sources?

01:14:09.000 So, Tim, I would say it depends.

01:14:10.000 If you're a normal sponsor and you had a normal negotiation about CPMs, etc., there's no reason to suspect.

01:14:16.000 But we do check a little bit more diligently.

01:14:19.000 But at the same time, we're not, like, doctrinarian about, like, for example, Polymark is one of our sponsors.

01:14:25.000 God bless.

01:14:25.000 So some people say, oh, I don't like them.

01:14:28.000 They're getting investigated.

01:14:29.000 Right.

01:14:29.000 But we don't take money from oil companies.

01:14:32.000 We don't take money from defense contractors.

01:14:34.000 So there's a whole list of people we don't take money from.

01:14:36.000 Yeah, so we do do some due diligence, right?

01:14:39.000 And in that case, and I criticize you for this, Tim.

01:14:42.000 Look, that's a monster number.

01:14:45.000 No, it isn't.

01:14:46.000 Okay.

01:14:47.000 Really?

01:14:47.000 How much money do you make per month?

01:14:50.000 So I'm not going to get into how much money we make per month.

01:14:52.000 No, you can't do that.

01:14:53.000 No, but per video.

01:14:54.000 Per video to getting $100,000 per video is a monster number.

01:14:59.000 No, it isn't.

01:14:59.000 An outrageously high number.

01:15:00.000 It's absolutely not correct.

01:15:01.000 You make $100,000 regularly per video?

01:15:05.000 So...

01:15:08.000 We do eight figures on Timcast.

01:15:10.000 Timcast IRL is an eight figure per year company.

01:15:13.000 So when we get approached by...

01:15:16.000 I'm trying to be careful because we're currently doing contract negotiations with a bunch of different companies and we have sponsors.

01:15:20.000 We have one sponsor that pays $100,000.

01:15:23.000 In one instance, we got $50,000 for one ad read.

01:15:30.000 Guess what?

01:15:31.000 Timcast IRL is the biggest live show on YouTube prime time.

01:15:33.000 That costs a lot of money.

01:15:35.000 So if you come to Tim Pool and you say, we want to license a show for you, I say, why would I do it?

01:15:38.000 So right at the.

01:15:41.000 So this is important.

01:15:42.000 And we're rehashing something that most of my audience already knows.

01:15:45.000 I was negotiating with three different companies.

01:15:48.000 We were fielding multiple offers.

01:15:49.000 One of those offers was $30 million.

01:15:51.000 I took a lesser offer with lesser responsibilities.

01:15:53.000 That's it.

01:15:54.000 You also notice, if you look at the indictment, that Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson, independently of me, negotiated comparable contracts.

01:16:00.000 How is that possible?

01:16:01.000 Well, they have agents.

01:16:02.000 Agents negotiate on their behalf.

01:16:03.000 When you look at Call Her Daddy selling for $100 million, Joe Rogan for selling for $250 million, Travis Kelsey selling for $100 million, are those crazy numbers in the podcast industry?

01:16:14.000 So if Tim Pool, who hosts the largest live show, Primetime on YouTube, is approached by someone to license a new show, there's going to be a premium rate comparable to any other podcast.

01:16:24.000 Now that's besides the point.

01:16:25.000 Whether or not I negotiate something or not, all of it goes through lawyers.

01:16:29.000 I own the production company outright.

01:16:30.000 For Crystal Ball to then fabricate this, or maybe she just doesn't know what she's talking about, that I was told to do things, it's an absurdity, it's not correct.

01:16:38.000 My point ultimately in bringing it up is when she propagates this disinformation, which seeks to discredit me and this show, it's just not true.

01:16:47.000 We did a license agreement with a company.

01:16:49.000 I mean, look, someone from The Blaze comes to us and says, hey, we got a VC. I ask who it is.

01:16:54.000 They say, here's the guy.

01:16:55.000 The indictment even mentioned they staged a fake phone call with me and the VC because we did our due diligence.

01:17:00.000 Sent it to the lawyers.

01:17:01.000 The lawyers did their research.

01:17:02.000 We then conferred with other people.

01:17:04.000 We had negotiations.

01:17:06.000 To then claim that we did something untoward or we are part of some manipulative thing, it's discrediting the space.

01:17:12.000 And it's...

01:17:13.000 It's bad for independent media.

01:17:15.000 So, Tim, maybe the difference in how we perceive it is because left-wing and right-wing media is not comparable in terms of money.

01:17:26.000 Call her daddy? 1.00

01:17:28.000 No, no, podcast is different.

01:17:30.000 Podcast is different because what people were doing was trying to establish market position.

01:17:34.000 Rachel Maddow got $25 million in her new contract negotiations.

01:17:37.000 Oh, it's absurd.

01:17:38.000 She gets 38,000 views in the key demo.

01:17:41.000 I'm sorry, MSNBC does.

01:17:42.000 Apples to apples, right?

01:17:43.000 So podcasts are different.

01:17:44.000 Cable news is different.

01:17:46.000 But on online media, the left wing has none of the revenue you guys have.

01:17:52.000 We just have normal ads.

01:17:53.000 We just have normal subscribers.

01:17:56.000 We're the biggest, and I've asked everyone else, nobody gets $50,000, $100,000 a video.

01:18:02.000 Nobody gets those deals.

01:18:03.000 You're bad at business.

01:18:04.000 No.

01:18:04.000 Do you know who our sponsors are?

01:18:06.000 We have normal mainstream sponsors.

01:18:08.000 We do things like BetterHelp.

01:18:10.000 Yeah, we're definitely not bad at business.

01:18:12.000 We've been around the longest on the internet, etc.

01:18:15.000 I wish there were sponsors that gave that to Left Wing.

01:18:19.000 Hey, and if there's any sponsors watching, we've got a gigantic show.

01:18:22.000 Okay, give us $50,000 a pop.

01:18:25.000 We'd love to take it.

01:18:26.000 Do you do your own ad sales, like internally?

01:18:29.000 So now we're getting into way too much business talk.

01:18:31.000 But I'm telling you, you ask any left-wing person online, and we don't get a fraction of that money.

01:18:38.000 A fraction.

01:18:39.000 So there's a ton of...

01:18:41.000 Look, now let me...

01:18:42.000 Not talking about you, not talking about any particular creator.

01:18:44.000 Zoom out.

01:18:45.000 There are...

01:18:46.000 The reason why the right-wing ecosystem generally has way more money is because...

01:18:55.000 Industry and wealthy people want a right wing, in the old school ways, the Republican way of thinking, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. 0.94

01:19:03.000 Deregulation.

01:19:04.000 There's all these things that corporations want, industry wants, really rich people want.

01:19:08.000 And the left does not give them any of it.

01:19:10.000 But I'm not for those things.

01:19:11.000 Right.

01:19:11.000 So that's why I'm saying it's divorced from you.

01:19:14.000 Like, I don't know what your situation is.

01:19:15.000 Forget the Russians, but the other sponsors, right?

01:19:18.000 So I don't know why they're giving you, and God bless, take it, okay?

01:19:21.000 I mean, if it's a real sponsor, and they're giving you that kind of money, I'm not telling you to say no.

01:19:26.000 I wouldn't say no, right?

01:19:28.000 But on the left, what you guys don't see, because you've never experienced this, there's none of that.

01:19:34.000 None of that.

01:19:35.000 In the independent left...

01:19:36.000 Yeah, and independently.

01:19:37.000 I think if you look at, like I mentioned, Joe Rogan was a Bernie bro.

01:19:42.000 He very much did not want to endorse Trump.

01:19:43.000 And four years ago, he got, I think it was a $250 million podcast deal.

01:19:48.000 He was on the left.

01:19:49.000 He repeatedly called for...

01:19:51.000 Yeah, that's not the perception.

01:19:53.000 But again, that's podcast.

01:19:54.000 But Kyle Kalinske...

01:19:55.000 Posted this viral video where he says, look at all of Joe's progressive and left-wing policies from a few years ago.

01:19:59.000 No, no, I'm not arguing that Joe...

01:20:00.000 Look, I would never call Joe left-wing.

01:20:03.000 And then I got super frustrated at him for being too right-wing for a while.

01:20:06.000 I still think he's on the whole...

01:20:08.000 on the right, okay?

01:20:10.000 Now, having said all that, his positions are all over the board, right?

01:20:13.000 He's also pro-choice.

01:20:15.000 Yes, you're right that he endorsed Bernie.

01:20:17.000 And the mainstream media can't get it through their head.

01:20:20.000 Why did he endorse Bernie and then Trump?

01:20:22.000 Because it's not left-right, it's populist versus establishment.

01:20:26.000 Rogan is a true populist, right?

01:20:27.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:20:28.000 And I might disagree with him on a bunch of issues, and I do, right?

01:20:31.000 And sometimes I'll get angry about those issues.

01:20:33.000 I don't know if he does or not.

01:20:34.000 That's okay.

01:20:35.000 We're all different people, right?

01:20:37.000 But we're on the same populist side.

01:20:40.000 So in his case, the reason why the numbers are huge is because...

01:20:45.000 There was a competition in the podcast market, Spotify, Sirius, and others, where they were trying to establish market position.

01:20:51.000 And when they do that, just like Amazon did in the beginning, you lose money in the beginning, and then you make a lot more once you've established market position.

01:20:58.000 So that was the theory as to why they were paying giant numbers for podcasts that they couldn't recoup.

01:21:04.000 And by the way, most of those deals, they did not recoup.

01:21:08.000 They lost money on most of those deals.

01:21:10.000 So right now we're in what's called upfronts.

01:21:13.000 You know what upfronts?

01:21:14.000 Yeah.

01:21:15.000 What I'm hearing, like we've basically got bidding wars going on, the contract.

01:21:20.000 That's why I try to be careful because we do contract negotiations.

01:21:23.000 And like I've largely just done Casper and we've promoted ourselves, make our own companies, control our own IP. But to sort of advance the conversation, I just keep harping on us.

01:21:33.000 Since Donald Trump won and all of the media has been reporting that this is the podcast presidency, But advertisers are telling us YouTube is the number one space now.

01:21:47.000 And so what we're likely going to see into next year is I think you guys are going to break the bank.

01:21:52.000 I think Young Turks will probably skyrocket.

01:21:54.000 The things we're hearing, what's happening now is Rachel Maddow, she was getting $30 million, then she gets $25 million because they have to pull her salary down.

01:22:03.000 But MSNBC, their latest ratings, I think, I don't know if it was prime time or whatever, it was $38,000 in the key demo.

01:22:09.000 You probably, you could make a video of you just gardening and get more views than that in the key demo.

01:22:13.000 Yeah, that's a bad video for us.

01:22:14.000 And the ratings keep dropping.

01:22:15.000 I know.

01:22:15.000 And the ratings keep going down.

01:22:17.000 They keep going down, yeah.

01:22:17.000 So the advertisers first were going to podcasts like Apple, Spotify, and they're like, audio podcast listeners are deeply engaged, so there's a premium on the CPMs, like how much they're going to pay per thousand viewers.

01:22:28.000 And what I'm hearing now from everybody is YouTube has officially taken over.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:32.000 Advertisers have finally realized.

01:22:34.000 YouTube finally realized.

01:22:35.000 YouTube was suppressing podcasts.

01:22:37.000 You know this. 0.97

01:22:38.000 They were treating talk shows like garbage. 0.97

01:22:40.000 And they were like, we don't want this for our audience. 0.93

01:22:42.000 We want video.

01:22:43.000 Now they're realizing this shaped the presidency.

01:22:46.000 This is shaping politics.

01:22:47.000 All the big companies are now saying we want those premium spots.

01:22:51.000 This is great news for all the populists, independent media.

01:22:56.000 The corporate press is going to collapse under their own failures.

01:22:59.000 They're desperate.

01:23:00.000 And what we're going to see is, for better or for worse, whatever people might think, Young Turks is going to be able to hire 100 new employees in the next year or two as advertisers start coming around and saying, this is obviously where the space is at.

01:23:12.000 And we're going to see the creation of massive networks with huge stars with huge salaries emerging.

01:23:18.000 So ask yourself, how do they pay Hannity, you know, like, what does he get, like, 30 to 60 million?

01:23:22.000 I don't know what his salary is.

01:23:23.000 Yeah, some huge number, yeah.

01:23:24.000 How do they afford that?

01:23:26.000 Well, their viewership used to be in the tens of millions.

01:23:29.000 Yep.

01:23:29.000 Made sense.

01:23:31.000 Now it's all going away and the independent channels are going to start taking pieces of that pie as advertisers look for ways to sell products.

01:23:37.000 And a lot of people don't have cable either.

01:23:39.000 Like if I want to watch an MSNBC segment on my phone, I have to log in with my TV provider.

01:23:44.000 Well, I don't have one.

01:23:45.000 You know, like I subscribe to YouTube stuff.

01:23:47.000 I subscribe to a bunch of other stuff.

01:23:49.000 I don't have any cable subscription.

01:23:51.000 So let me give you a general business sense of it.

01:23:54.000 So all the things you just said about the advertising space, that's where we agree most, right?

01:24:00.000 So first of all, with television, they used to have 100 million subscribers.

01:24:05.000 So MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News would range from $1 to $4 per month per subscriber.

01:24:12.000 So that means they were taking in $100 to $400 million a month Whoa!

01:24:17.000 A month, just from subscribers doesn't count advertisers.

01:24:21.000 Subscribers are a bigger part of their business than advertisers were, and now their average age for all the cable news guys is around 70 years old.

01:24:28.000 Like, they do those shows out of a senior citizen center, okay? 0.93

01:24:31.000 And yet the rest of the mainstream media is like, they're the most important, they're the most important!

01:24:35.000 Like, if we all had audiences that had an average age of 70, what would mainstream media say? 0.98

01:24:40.000 They'd be like, they're irrelevant, they're garbage, they're just for old people, who cares, right? 1.00

01:24:44.000 They're so biased they can't see straight. 0.97

01:24:47.000 So now that they've gone from 100 million to 60 million subscribers, they just lost 40% of their main revenue source.

01:24:55.000 They're reeling.

01:24:56.000 So that Rachel Maddow contract was mental to give her 25 million a year for one day. 1.00

01:25:05.000 As your ship is sinking and you spun off your company because you know it's going under, right?

01:25:11.000 That is nuts.

01:25:12.000 And so advertisers, generally speaking, are the most conservative people on earth.

01:25:17.000 I don't mean politically.

01:25:17.000 I mean by nature, right?

01:25:19.000 So you can show an advertiser...

01:25:22.000 Look, here's where all of the audience is, but they say interesting things.

01:25:28.000 Here's another sign.

01:25:30.000 There's two people watching.

01:25:31.000 They're both 98, but they will say totally insipid things.

01:25:35.000 Nothing interesting will be said.

01:25:37.000 An advertiser will be like, oh, I'll take the non-interesting one.

01:25:39.000 I'll take the non-interesting one.

01:25:40.000 I don't care if there's no audience.

01:25:41.000 I don't care.

01:25:41.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:25:42.000 Don't say anything brand unsafe.

01:25:44.000 But now what's interesting with YouTube is with programmatic ads, the rates are going to go up.

01:25:49.000 And when I put on Fox News or CNN or whatever, skateboard commercials come on.

01:25:55.000 So now it doesn't even matter.

01:25:57.000 YouTube is going to put the ads where the ads function.

01:25:59.000 And this is YouTube TV.

01:26:00.000 So this is an analog for cable.

01:26:02.000 Yeah, the money is shifting in a big way and the dam is going to break.

01:26:06.000 That's where I agree with you most.

01:26:08.000 Cenk, I wanted to pivot to one of the issues that I know you're outspoken about, Israel, Palestine, and the war in Gaza.

01:26:13.000 I was looking at a couple of clips of you talking about the issue earlier, and you accused Israel of genocide.

01:26:18.000 I want to know if you still believe that, and if you could elaborate a little bit more on why you believe that.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:26:23.000 So... 0.72

01:26:25.000 Look, Gaza's a slaughterhouse. 1.00

01:26:28.000 44,000 dead, 104,000 injured, 90% of the people displaced, 85% of the buildings damaged or completely destroyed.

01:26:38.000 Now they're taking a 12 square mile area in the middle of Gaza and say, that's now Israeli land. 0.88

01:26:46.000 Okay, well then, was it about self-defense or was it about taking land?

01:26:49.000 So they're starving the people of northern Gaza.

01:26:52.000 The American government acknowledges it.

01:26:54.000 The UN acknowledges it.

01:26:55.000 Every reporter acknowledges it.

01:26:56.000 And they're moving the population down south. 0.52

01:26:59.000 When you move a giant population and you starve them and you kill them and on and on and on, that is a genocide.

01:27:08.000 So just because I want to see if you're being, you know, morally consistent with this, do you think the Russians are genociding Ukrainians?

01:27:15.000 So I'm 100% against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

01:27:20.000 I hate it.

01:27:21.000 And that's why I believe in supporting Ukraine throughout this.

01:27:25.000 Now, the problem is that the defense contractors are making so much money off of it.

01:27:30.000 I can't tell what- More Ukrainians have died in the Russia-Ukraine war than Gazans in Gaza during this most current war.

01:27:35.000 I'm just trying to understand- No, 11,000 civilians have been killed.

01:27:38.000 In Ukraine.

01:27:39.000 And how many civilians were killed in Gaza?

01:27:40.000 Of the 44,000, at least three-quarters are civilians.

01:27:43.000 How do you know that?

01:27:44.000 Because Hamas doesn't release the numbers?

01:27:46.000 So first of all, two-thirds of them are women and children.

01:27:49.000 Okay, so right there.

01:27:51.000 Okay, that's a giant number.

01:27:53.000 Second of all, even if you take the IDF numbers, they've moved them from 9,000, 11,000, 12,000.

01:27:58.000 So let's take 12,000.

01:27:59.000 12,000 to 44,000 is still a giant percentage.

01:28:02.000 So there's no genocide in Ukraine?

01:28:04.000 According to your definition.

01:28:05.000 I mean, you could hem and haw, but I'm trying to get to...

01:28:08.000 No, no.

01:28:08.000 I think the Russian invasion is horrible, and they took land.

01:28:12.000 If they're moving Ukrainians from one area to another, forcibly moving them, then I would say that's ethnic cleansing.

01:28:18.000 Okay.

01:28:18.000 And now, the one last follow-up.

01:28:20.000 Do you also acknowledge the Armenian genocide?

01:28:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:28:23.000 And so, in fact, Armenian Genocide is an excellent example of why it's a genocide in Gaza.

01:28:29.000 Well, I mean, more than a million Armenians were killed, so I feel like these aren't like kind at all. 1.00

01:28:33.000 And then also the Armenians were completely driven out of their land in Turkey.

01:28:37.000 I don't like the Palestinians. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Kind of like the Palestinians. 1.00

01:28:40.000 Well, they still exist in Gaza and the West Bank.

01:28:42.000 No, they're driven from North Gaza.

01:28:43.000 Okay, so, brother, look.

01:28:45.000 Armenian Genocide, what happens is the Armenians are part of the Ottoman Empire.

01:28:49.000 They rebel.

01:28:50.000 Why do they rebel?

01:28:51.000 Because the Turks are occupying them, in a sense. 1.00

01:28:54.000 And there's different rules for Christians than there are for Muslims. 0.89

01:28:57.000 There's different rules for Armenians than there are for Turks.

01:28:59.000 The empire lasted for 500 years because those rules were not too onerous.

01:29:02.000 But were they different?

01:29:03.000 Of course they were different.

01:29:04.000 Did they want their own country?

01:29:05.000 They do.

01:29:05.000 Okay?

01:29:06.000 So they rebelled.

01:29:07.000 When they rebelled, did they kill Turkish civilians?

01:29:09.000 Of course they did.

01:29:09.000 I feel like you're justifying it.

01:29:11.000 I'm not justifying it.

01:29:12.000 I'm doing the exact opposite.

01:29:14.000 You're saying, oh, the Armenians were attacking Turks, and that's what led to them driving the Armenians out?

01:29:18.000 No, you didn't let me finish.

01:29:20.000 I'm saying the exact opposite.

01:29:21.000 So what the Turks said was, well, they hit our civilians. 1.00

01:29:24.000 They're terrorists. 0.99

01:29:25.000 And you know what? 0.99

01:29:26.000 They didn't have a military installation.

01:29:28.000 Of course they didn't, because they're insurgents. 0.97

01:29:30.000 So they were hiding among their civilians, so we had to kill their civilians.

01:29:34.000 The Ottoman explanation was nearly identical to the Israeli explanation.

01:29:40.000 They're both genocides, and both are justified by, yeah, but they didn't have uniforms on, and we moved them to a more convenient place so they would be safer.

01:29:49.000 It's always the same justification.

01:29:52.000 Serbenica, same exact thing.

01:29:53.000 Oh, we've got to move them. 1.00

01:29:55.000 Oh, we've got to kill them. 1.00

01:29:56.000 We've got to starve them. 1.00

01:29:56.000 The Kurds were also genocided? 1.00

01:29:58.000 So, no, the Kurds are a completely different situation. 0.96

01:30:00.000 They're in three different countries at a minimum, maybe actually four in big numbers, and those countries treat them in different ways.

01:30:08.000 So when Turkey, for example, did not allow them to speak the Kurdish language and had different and oppressive rules, I was against it.

01:30:14.000 Did it qualify as genocide when they targeted to kill them?

01:30:17.000 No, not speaking your own language.

01:30:18.000 Not speaking your own language is not genocide.

01:30:20.000 You probably know better than me, but tens of thousands of Kurds were killed and ethnically cleansed in a different part of Turkey, and you don't think that qualifies as a genocide?

01:30:27.000 I don't stipulate to those facts at all.

01:30:29.000 I think that what the Turkish government was doing in setting different rules was wrong, but they changed that.

01:30:35.000 Kurds vote in Turkish elections, they can get elected.

01:30:37.000 Arab Israelis vote in Israeli elections.

01:30:39.000 That's right, in Israel.

01:30:40.000 But in the occupied territories, you should see five and a half million people enslaved, right?

01:30:44.000 Five and a half million people under permanent occupation.

01:30:47.000 That's a definition for slavery compared to what we did have in this country.

01:30:50.000 I know.

01:30:51.000 You sound exactly like the Turks excusing the Armenian genocide. 0.75

01:30:54.000 You sound like the Turks excusing the Kurdish genocide, but I think we have a different segment.

01:30:58.000 Yeah, okay.

01:30:58.000 So now you want to get into random things and pretend.

01:31:01.000 You just say, oh, I murdered all these Palestinians, but it's okay because I'm beloved Israel. 1.00

01:31:05.000 It's not okay. 0.99

01:31:06.000 You did murder them. 0.97

01:31:07.000 I hate it. 0.98

01:31:08.000 I hate all the wars Israel starts. 0.71

01:31:10.000 I hate that they make us pay for all their wars.

01:31:12.000 The most moral army trying their best to protect every civilian.

01:31:15.000 Most moral army.

01:31:16.000 No, it is Hamas's interest to have as many civilians. 0.94

01:31:20.000 Nonsense. 1.00

01:31:21.000 Garbage. 1.00

01:31:22.000 Please don't talk over me. 0.99

01:31:23.000 I'll let you finish your point.

01:31:24.000 It's within Hamas's interest to have as many civilians killed. 0.99

01:31:27.000 They made us kill them. 1.00

01:31:30.000 The poor Israelis didn't want to kill them, but we had to slaughter all of them. 1.00

01:31:34.000 And Chanks, it's for impressionable Westerners like you and Western liberals and communists to get misled about this. 0.98

01:31:39.000 Communists?

01:31:40.000 What does that have to do?

01:31:41.000 Far leftists and communists support the Palestinian cause.

01:31:43.000 No, Hamas is right wing!

01:31:45.000 I know, in the West, you're saying communists don't support Hamas?

01:31:48.000 A communist is not relevant at all! 0.99

01:31:51.000 Are you insane? 1.00

01:31:52.000 Are you insane? 1.00

01:31:54.000 Do you think this is about communism and capitalism? 0.99

01:31:56.000 No, this is about Israel grabbing more land! 1.00

01:31:58.000 Attack, attack, attack, kill! 1.00

01:32:00.000 America paid for it! 0.99

01:32:01.000 These are all socialists and communists. 1.00

01:32:03.000 Israel is a terrorist state. 1.00

01:32:05.000 It's a rogue state. 1.00

01:32:06.000 And I'm sick of my taxpayer dollars going to murder Palestinians because Netanyahu wants to do it. 1.00

01:32:12.000 He's a goddamn terrorist. 1.00

01:32:14.000 I think he just randomly wants to murder Palestinians. 1.00

01:32:16.000 There's no stipulating factors. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Netanyahu is crazy and just want to kill as many civilians as he can. 1.00

01:32:21.000 No, he's a vicious terrorist. 1.00

01:32:21.000 And that's why he's only killed 40, allegedly 40,000 Palestinians. 1.00

01:32:24.000 Only killed 44,000? 0.86

01:32:25.000 How many Palestinians do you want to murder, brother? 1.00

01:32:27.000 All right, all right. 1.00

01:32:28.000 How many Palestinian children do you want to murder? 1.00

01:32:31.000 50,000 dead kids. 1.00

01:32:32.000 Imagine 50,000 dead kids.

01:32:35.000 They're not 50,000 dead kids.

01:32:36.000 Nobody is screaming 50,000 dead lives.

01:32:38.000 Everyone is wrong except the beloved Israelis. 1.00

01:32:40.000 Everyone is lying.

01:32:41.000 You guys don't even agree on the facts of the issue?

01:32:44.000 No, because he's making up facts.

01:32:45.000 Everyone in the world agrees except Israel. 0.82

01:32:47.000 Israel says, no, don't believe any reporters.

01:32:49.000 Don't believe any human rights.

01:32:50.000 Don't believe the United Nations.

01:32:52.000 Don't believe anyone.

01:32:53.000 No, we're the moral army.

01:32:55.000 We only slaughtered 44,000 people.

01:32:57.000 We only slaughtered 15,000 children.

01:32:59.000 Are they 44,000 innocent Palestinians? 0.98

01:33:01.000 We're going to go to super chats.

01:33:04.000 Why do you think they include everybody?

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01:33:08.000 We're going to go to super chats.

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01:33:25.000 But we're actually going to take calls from you guys, and I think it'll be a really good conversation.

01:33:29.000 So it will be fun to have you guys as members call in and ask us questions.

01:33:33.000 But for now, we will read your Super Chats.

01:33:35.000 Let's go!

01:33:37.000 YouTube actually deleted a good portion of them, so I apologize.

01:33:39.000 I can't do anything about it.

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01:33:42.000 Sarah Hunter says, Thanks for being on, Jake.

01:33:43.000 It's awesome to have these conversations.

01:33:46.000 I agree.

01:33:47.000 And there are certainly many disparaging comments as well, but hey man, we've got to open up the doors and we've got to do this, so I appreciate it.

01:33:53.000 This is fantastic.

01:33:54.000 Darth Starbuck says, Cenk doesn't believe in democracy or the Constitution when it doesn't benefit his side.

01:34:00.000 Nonsense.

01:34:00.000 Show one instance where I said I'm against democracy or against the Constitutional— Well, you want to pack the Senate with Democrats.

01:34:07.000 I want to pack the Senate?

01:34:08.000 He wants to pack the Senate with Democrats.

01:34:10.000 You want to add two states that will permanently— No, you have to— You mean pack the Supreme Court.

01:34:15.000 No, no, no.

01:34:15.000 He wants to add Senate seats.

01:34:17.000 He wants to add states— First of all, I'm against packing the Supreme Court.

01:34:19.000 I'm against it, and I've been against it.

01:34:20.000 Your four power plays from Democrats to dominate our political process.

01:34:23.000 I'm not.

01:34:23.000 You just made that up.

01:34:24.000 If D.C. and Puerto Rico are added— You want to give statehood to Puerto Rico, is that what you're saying?

01:34:28.000 In D.C.? So first of all, Puerto Rico has, if they want statehood and they vote for it, and we go through a normal process like we did for Alaska and Hawaii, sure, Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. Haven't they voted for it?

01:34:41.000 Hasn't Puerto Rico voted to be a state?

01:34:44.000 They did finally, yes.

01:34:46.000 So now that they did, before when they didn't, if they don't want it, what are we forcing them to become a state?

01:34:51.000 No.

01:34:51.000 But now they want it.

01:34:52.000 They are part of America.

01:34:53.000 So first Canada, then Puerto Rico.

01:34:55.000 First Canada. 0.82

01:34:56.000 First Canada. 0.82

01:34:57.000 Maybe we could do Guam as well.

01:34:59.000 Well, like how we added Republican and Democrat.

01:35:02.000 I think Hawaiian election were added at the same time.

01:35:04.000 That's how we ended up with West Virginia.

01:35:05.000 I would agree with Cenk.

01:35:06.000 Functionally, we can't look at Puerto Rico and say because of their politics, we're going to decide not to allow them statehood.

01:35:12.000 D.C. I don't agree with.

01:35:13.000 D.C. is supposed to be a federal jurisdiction for the purpose of being outside of state control.

01:35:17.000 I'm referencing these specifically because there's a book written about this.

01:35:20.000 There's a book written about this.

01:35:21.000 And Democrats have said this is their way to get a power play by packing the Supreme Court, by adding different states.

01:35:27.000 So Guam makes sense because Guam voted more Republican than they had previously.

01:35:31.000 So add both.

01:35:32.000 Well, there you go.

01:35:33.000 One and one and not DC. Expand the empire.

01:35:36.000 See, that's a fair argument.

01:35:37.000 So we should have a discussion about that, right?

01:35:40.000 So then you could say, hey, is Guam the same as Puerto Rico?

01:35:43.000 Is it the same as DC? These are good discussions.

01:35:45.000 So, but like, just one, like, if...

01:35:48.000 Like, if they said, oh, let's add Guam because it's going to be Republican, well, let's not add Puerto Rico.

01:35:51.000 Well, that's not fair, right?

01:35:53.000 But if they say, let's add Puerto Rico, but we should consider Guam.

01:35:55.000 You understand why it's a power play, right?

01:35:57.000 You understand why Republicans view it as a power play check.

01:36:01.000 But let's talk about this constitutionally.

01:36:04.000 I do not believe it's constitutional to say, oh, well, you're a territory, we would give you statehood, but your politics don't align with one group, so we can't do it.

01:36:11.000 If we start carving out D.C., we'll have carve-outs in different states that want us to see from one another.

01:36:15.000 You don't carve out D.C. D.C. was established so that the federal government would not be pressured by states.

01:36:22.000 When the Capitol was under the jurisdiction of Virginia and Maryland, the concern, or would it have been, the concern was Maryland could apply taxes and Yeah.

01:36:31.000 Yeah.

01:36:32.000 Let's carve out this space here from this river in a little diamond shape and say that's federal jurisdiction only.

01:36:36.000 So I understand we don't do statehood for the federal jurisdiction.

01:36:39.000 It's federal only.

01:36:40.000 But Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States with a large population.

01:36:43.000 They vote for statehood.

01:36:44.000 I don't think you can be like, oh, no, it benefits Democrats.

01:36:47.000 That's not constitutional.

01:36:48.000 There's a great segment in the John Adams biography when he – Because he's the first president that ends up in D.C. And he goes into D.C. in this carriage and it's all muddy and terrible.

01:36:58.000 And he's just like, ah, I want to be in Boston.

01:37:00.000 So really, it's such a cool segment because, you know, D.C. is still disgusting and swampy.

01:37:06.000 We've got to really do with the Constitution.

01:37:07.000 You have to follow its rules.

01:37:10.000 So if you want to amend it, you've got to go through the amendment process.

01:37:13.000 It's the whole process.

01:37:13.000 Agreed.

01:37:14.000 We've got a good one here.

01:37:15.000 This is...

01:37:16.000 K-Max McDonald says, since Bernie is going to be too old in 2028, would Cenk like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to run in 2028?

01:37:23.000 Would she be a candidate Cenk would support or any others like her?

01:37:28.000 So I definitely want a populist left. 0.95

01:37:32.000 So AOC, look, everybody's complicated.

01:37:37.000 So she is part of the group that I started along with three other people who are wonderful folks.

01:37:44.000 And she doesn't take corporate PAC money.

01:37:46.000 She's really good on some issues.

01:37:49.000 And I agree with her on anything related to the donor money and all the other things that I care about.

01:37:58.000 But she and I diverge on some of the culture war issues and some of the identity politics issues.

01:38:04.000 So that's a normal disagreement within the left, but I would probably support an economic populist way more than I would support someone who's known more for social issues on the left.

01:38:15.000 Anybody come to mind?

01:38:17.000 Yeah, sure.

01:38:17.000 There's a lot of people who are like that.

01:38:19.000 So first off, when you're talking politicians, Ro Khanna.

01:38:22.000 I like him.

01:38:23.000 I disagree, but he seems to be a good dude.

01:38:25.000 I think he's pretty honest.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, he's very honest.

01:38:27.000 He seems reasonable.

01:38:28.000 He seems like he's at least willing to discuss things from a genuine position.

01:38:33.000 So Ro comes on our show even when he votes against what we wanted, and then we yell at each other almost like this.

01:38:39.000 Okay.

01:38:40.000 And then he comes back again and again.

01:38:42.000 And he's willing to defend his position.

01:38:44.000 We agree or disagree, right?

01:38:45.000 And our audience respects the hell out of him because he's willing to come on and defend his position.

01:38:50.000 But isn't this one guy who accepts a ton of corporate money, too?

01:38:52.000 I think he takes a lot of money from big tech.

01:38:54.000 No, Ro Khanna doesn't take money from big tech. 0.98

01:38:56.000 No, Ro Khanna is the first guy, if I'm not mistaken, but certainly among the first who stopped taking corporate PAC money.

01:39:01.000 What you're talking about is individuals that give, and they might be executives in a Silicon Valley company because it's Silicon Valley, right?

01:39:08.000 According to Open Secrets, he took at least $170,000 from Google.

01:39:11.000 I don't know if this is from individuals.

01:39:14.000 No, you're right.

01:39:15.000 Interesting how that pans out, though.

01:39:17.000 Yeah.

01:39:18.000 No, but that makes sense.

01:39:20.000 Look, if Joe Manchin takes money from miners in West Virginia, I don't have a problem.

01:39:26.000 If he takes money from a giant mining company, and then he serves that mining company, I got a problem.

01:39:31.000 Right?

01:39:32.000 I'm going to read this one because it's like they're trying to insult you, but I'm just going to read it.

01:39:41.000 I'm not your Huckleberry says, I used to think Cenk was a bad guy. 1.00

01:39:44.000 I now think he's a really good guy with severe mental illness.

01:39:47.000 He got help.

01:39:48.000 He could be a great help to our country.

01:39:50.000 Well, I appreciate you, brother.

01:39:53.000 So at least I got good intent.

01:39:54.000 I'll take a win.

01:39:56.000 So no, seriously, I'm glad you read that one, because that's a very common thing that I get.

01:40:01.000 They say, you know, you're not such a bad guy, and I agree with you, I disagree with you, I get it.

01:40:06.000 But you have TDS, right?

01:40:08.000 Trump Derangement Syndrome, right?

01:40:10.000 So let me explain that.

01:40:12.000 So Trump...

01:40:15.000 When he does things and they take it out of context, I hate it, and I think that's Trump derangement syndrome.

01:40:22.000 So for example, he said bloodbath when he was talking about the auto industry.

01:40:26.000 We come on The Young Turks and we go, he did not say it in a physical way, he did not say it in a violent way, he said it in regards to the car industry.

01:40:33.000 No question about it.

01:40:35.000 Everyone else goes, nah, he's calling for blood in the streets and blah, blah, blah.

01:40:39.000 That's Trump derangement.

01:40:40.000 I agree.

01:40:40.000 Right?

01:40:41.000 He goes to McDonald's and he does that photo op.

01:40:44.000 I think it's a great photo op, right?

01:40:46.000 So, look, I'll bust him on, hey, he doesn't actually support higher minimum wage.

01:40:50.000 He supports the National Restaurant Association.

01:40:53.000 Yada, yada.

01:40:53.000 I'll give you the substance of it.

01:40:54.000 But as a photo op, it's a good photo op. 0.98

01:40:56.000 And they look at him and they're like, ah, he looked ridiculous! 0.94

01:40:58.000 And I'm like, alright, you can do that, but I don't think he looked ridiculous. 0.98

01:41:02.000 I mean, and the height of Trump derangement syndrome is when he got shot at, right?

01:41:07.000 And then, number one, we got Blue Anon that comes out and goes, no, he didn't really get shot at, it's all conspiracy.

01:41:13.000 He had a razor in his hand or something?

01:41:15.000 Yeah, so, and then, and number two is, no, he wasn't heroic.

01:41:19.000 Guys, he got shot at.

01:41:20.000 He comes up and does this, and he goes, fight, fight, fight.

01:41:23.000 If that's not courage, I don't know what courage is, right?

01:41:27.000 So I called him courageous for that, and I called him courageous for that at a moment where I desperately wanted him to lose the election, okay?

01:41:35.000 But But we're honest.

01:41:37.000 So we don't have Trump derangement syndrome.

01:41:39.000 What we have is honest disagreements about Trump.

01:41:42.000 But I would argue that, and now I'll trigger a lot of people, I would argue that a lot of the right wing has Trump derangement syndrome in reverse.

01:41:50.000 Like, they'll see something that he does that makes no sense, that is not a conservative position, that is not a right wing position, that is not a populist position, and they'll go, if Trump did it, I love it.

01:41:59.000 I'll endorse that too, yeah.

01:42:01.000 Yeah, Covfefe?

01:42:02.000 We know what Covfefe was.

01:42:04.000 Trump sausage-fingered the phone and accidentally sent gibberish, but there were people genuinely being like, no, no, he's saying something.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:42:12.000 No, he isn't.

01:42:14.000 It's sausage-fingers.

01:42:15.000 He tried to put the phone away.

01:42:16.000 It sent gibberish.

01:42:18.000 And that's it.

01:42:19.000 I've got to say something super important here.

01:42:21.000 What I just saw here is exactly what I'm talking about.

01:42:24.000 That's what I'm going to tell the left wing.

01:42:26.000 And I'm saying, look guys, I think that if Trump does things that you guys don't agree with, and we might agree or disagree with you guys, right?

01:42:33.000 But if you guys don't agree, you are going to stand up to him.

01:42:37.000 And they think I'm not.

01:42:38.000 But here's the distinction, right?

01:42:40.000 A show like this, for instance, we have Ian Crossland on the show periodically.

01:42:43.000 I don't know if you met him.

01:42:45.000 But he hated Trump the whole time.

01:42:46.000 And he only voted for him because RFK Jr. joined the transition team and is not going to be part of the administration.

01:42:51.000 And so that literally was it.

01:42:54.000 He was like, I'm not voting for him.

01:42:55.000 And I was like, RFK Jr.'s like, yeah.

01:42:56.000 So he begrudgingly does it.

01:42:58.000 We have Luke Rutkowski come on this show, and he ragged on Trump the whole time throughout his whole administration for foreign policy, drone strikes, commando raids, all of that stuff.

01:43:07.000 We've had Dave Smith on this show.

01:43:08.000 He's a friend of the show.

01:43:10.000 I like Dave Smith a lot.

01:43:11.000 But the perception from the left is that we are like diehard MAGA cultists.

01:43:16.000 So I will tell you this.

01:43:18.000 You know, we here, I mean, we have varying opinions.

01:43:20.000 Like, Elad is the Bolton bro neocon.

01:43:23.000 We got...

01:43:24.000 We get into heated arguments all the time in this foreign policy stuff, but we like having that contrast and that debate.

01:43:30.000 And as I mentioned, Ian, but there are a lot of Trump supporters.

01:43:34.000 I'll give you an example of the tiff I got into with these people.

01:43:38.000 Joe Rogan says on his show several months ago, I think RFK Jr. is the one that makes sense.

01:43:42.000 And these prominent, high-profile Trump supporters immediately hate Joe Rogan.

01:43:47.000 And then Trump himself truth posts like, oh, he's going to get booed when he goes to UFC. And I'm immediately like, first of all, Joe's my friend, and he did such tremendous things.

01:43:58.000 First of all, helping my career and taking care of us when we got sick.

01:44:01.000 That dude is one of the best people I know in terms of being a good person.

01:44:06.000 So don't smack talk my friends.

01:44:08.000 I'll defend them.

01:44:08.000 But more importantly, why are you declaring war on moderates you're trying to win over?

01:44:12.000 So I do think that Trump will probably do something awful.

01:44:18.000 And you're going to see a percentage of his base just say it was 4D chess and it was on purpose.

01:44:24.000 But we're fairly moderate and eclectic.

01:44:26.000 We like him.

01:44:27.000 But, you know, when there's a Trump had a commando right in Yemen.

01:44:31.000 Do you know the story?

01:44:31.000 The eight year old girl who was killed?

01:44:33.000 I'm not sure I do remind you.

01:44:34.000 You know, this stuff, if you want to get my blood boy and talk about Obama and the drone strike on Abdul Rahman Al-Awlaki, are you familiar with that one?

01:44:41.000 Oh, 100%.

01:44:41.000 Oh, dude, I lose my mind every time that comes up.

01:44:43.000 I think Obama should have been arrested for that.

01:44:45.000 I completely agree.

01:44:46.000 And the story there is the Obama administration admitted they did it.

01:44:50.000 They said they were targeting a different terrorist and, oopsie, we blew up a civilian restaurant, a cafe in a country we're not at war with, and we killed a bunch of civilians, including an American.

01:44:57.000 And I'm like, you admitted it?

01:44:59.000 Charge and trial.

01:45:00.000 Let's go.

01:45:01.000 Donald Trump, one of the first things he does when he gets into office is he signs off on a commando raid in Yemen.

01:45:07.000 Now, the difference here is that no one's admitted to any direct wrongdoing, but the family involved say that an eight-year-old girl was killed in that raid that was signed off on Trump's orders.

01:45:16.000 My response there is, I want an investigation.

01:45:19.000 I want evidence.

01:45:20.000 And if Donald Trump did sign off on this, he has criminal culpability for sending commandos into a country we're not at war with, likely at the best of Saudi Arabia, because we do weapons deals with them. 0.57

01:45:28.000 And I want to know what happened.

01:45:30.000 So I look at these two and I say, fine, you want to be fair?

01:45:32.000 I think they're both warranting criminal investigation for the death of civilians and war crimes.

01:45:37.000 I got no problem saying that.

01:45:38.000 I say it every single time.

01:45:40.000 There are going to be a lot of people on the right who are going to justify and defend anything Trump does, no matter what he does.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, and the same is true on the left.

01:45:46.000 Like, me saying that I thought Obama should have gotten arrested for that, oh my god.

01:45:50.000 Heresy.

01:45:51.000 Absolute heresy. 0.92

01:45:51.000 Number one heresy you could have if I ever run for office, if anyone I'm aligned with runs for office, mainstream media is going to smear the living crap out of all of us because you're going to say, oh my god, he went on a right-wing show and he said Obama should be arrested. 0.92

01:46:06.000 Okay, so but why do I say that?

01:46:07.000 And this is the part that they'll cut out of the clip, right?

01:46:09.000 So he did a drone strike on an American citizen, and he did not go through judicial authorization, okay?

01:46:18.000 And so then Eric Holder said something absolutely outrageous.

01:46:23.000 Insane!

01:46:24.000 Yeah, he said, due process does not necessarily mean going through the judiciary.

01:46:28.000 The executive branch can decide due process on their own.

01:46:31.000 By the way, here we are being consistent, right?

01:46:33.000 I hated it when Trump talked about terminating the Constitution, and I hated it when Obama said due process is not going to a judiciary.

01:46:42.000 That's exactly what due process is.

01:46:43.000 If the executive branch gets to say, I went through a process, I checked with Bob, who works for me, and Bob, who works for me in the executive branch, told me I could murder any American citizen I like.

01:46:53.000 Eric Holder that Barack Obama himself called his wingman.

01:46:57.000 And I want to say this too, because I was wrong about this.

01:47:01.000 Trump did say, I'd like to take the guns first and go through due process later.

01:47:07.000 So I at first looked into this and I saw a snippet of Trump saying something after the fact, and I thought that was the original quote.

01:47:16.000 Then I was corrected when we had a guest on the show from the National Gun – I forgot the organization's name, the Gun Rights Association.

01:47:22.000 And I looked into the video, and it's Trump literally saying, nah, you've got these people with guns.

01:47:28.000 I like to take the guns first and then go through the courts, go through due process later.

01:47:31.000 And that's unconstitutional.

01:47:33.000 And so I was wrong about that, and that is a wrong thing for Trump to have advocated for.

01:47:37.000 Yeah, and all of lucky, they killed him.

01:47:40.000 It's not even clear that he was a terrorist.

01:47:42.000 He was a propagandist.

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:43.000 Anwar.

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 Anwar Alloblock. 0.57

01:47:45.000 So this is the dad.

01:47:46.000 And they killed his son.

01:47:47.000 But then they killed his son.

01:47:49.000 And in a different bombing in a completely different place.

01:47:52.000 But wait, they also killed his eight-year-old daughter in a different bombing in a completely different place.

01:47:58.000 No, that was the gunfight.

01:47:58.000 That was the gunfight.

01:47:59.000 Yeah, the eight-year-old.

01:48:00.000 She took a bullet in a gunfight. 0.75

01:48:01.000 Yeah.

01:48:01.000 And that was under Trump.

01:48:02.000 Yeah.

01:48:03.000 So three different alablocky family members killed, all U.S. citizens, killed in three different instances, right? 1.00

01:48:10.000 So I see what you're saying about the eight-year-old under Trump, right?

01:48:14.000 So that is all extrajudicial, that is totally unconstitutional, totally illegal, totally unacceptable.

01:48:21.000 So the two things, so his teenage son, they allegedly say that he was not the target.

01:48:27.000 I don't believe that.

01:48:28.000 At all.

01:48:29.000 And the daughter that caught a bullet in the gunfight, that was, she was not actually targeted.

01:48:35.000 Because they were going, she was collateral damage.

01:48:38.000 Now you can say that it's unconscionable, you can say that it's still wrong, you can say that it still doesn't matter, and I wouldn't argue strongly against it, but I just pointed that out for clarity.

01:48:51.000 Oh yeah, I see what you're saying.

01:48:52.000 So that's a good point because they're not targeting a U.S. citizen on purpose theoretically, at least based on their justification.

01:48:59.000 Now, just like the Wuhan lab, you killed three members of the same family in three different places at three different times and you're telling me it was a coincidence.

01:49:09.000 I'm telling you, my best guess, and this is just a guess, is that all of Lockheed was CIA that went rogue, and the CIA was super embarrassed about it, and thought, oh, what if, not only do we have to get rid of him, but what if his family members know that he was CIA and went rogue?

01:49:27.000 So now, that part is total speculation.

01:49:29.000 I want to be clear about that, okay?

01:49:30.000 So I'm not saying that that's a fact.

01:49:32.000 But it is a fact that they went extrajudicial outside the Constitution.

01:49:37.000 And by the way, that's... 0.96

01:49:38.000 Part of why established media is so hypocritical and so unbearable, because if Trump does it, they go nuts, and they should, and I agree, right? 0.94

01:49:47.000 But when Obama does it, they're like, no, that's fine. 0.95

01:49:49.000 And they...

01:49:50.000 Well, let me add this.

01:49:54.000 My speculation is Anwar al-Awlaki was a jihadi.

01:49:57.000 They say he was a propagandist.

01:49:58.000 He was an American citizen, and I think he...

01:49:59.000 What was he operating out of?

01:50:00.000 Syria? 0.58

01:50:01.000 I could be wrong.

01:50:02.000 And...

01:50:02.000 I think they killed him in Yemen.

01:50:03.000 Was he in Yemen?

01:50:04.000 Are you sure?

01:50:05.000 You want to fact check while I'm talking?

01:50:07.000 So...

01:50:08.000 Possibly, see, I don't know.

01:50:09.000 Here's what I think.

01:50:10.000 I think they, for some reason, they wanted to go after him. 0.99

01:50:12.000 I think they killed Abdulrahman, his son, as a statement to anybody who would oppose us, we will kill your children. 0.93

01:50:20.000 Yeah, I don't think that's true.

01:50:21.000 He was killed in 2011 in Yemen by a strike.

01:50:24.000 Yeah.

01:50:24.000 But we're not at war with the others.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, but we're speculating on that.

01:50:27.000 Right, right, right.

01:50:27.000 You have speculation, I have speculation, but the important part is what we talked about earlier.

01:50:31.000 You can't go outside the Constitution, you can't go outside a new process.

01:50:34.000 That's crazy.

01:50:35.000 And the media said Obama's only scandal was a tan suit.

01:50:38.000 That's infuriating.

01:50:40.000 The fact that not only do they cover for him...

01:50:44.000 But the fact that there is an extrajudicial killing that was clearly outside of the Constitution, violated American citizens' constitutional right to due process, and killed him, and the media won't even address it, and they will cover for him and say there was no scandals.

01:51:02.000 It is infuriating.

01:51:02.000 So back to right-wing, left-wing populist establishment.

01:51:05.000 But interestingly, that same media was super happy to work with Dick Cheney in pretending that Iraq was a giant problem for us.

01:51:12.000 So it wasn't that they're covering up for Republicans or Democrats.

01:51:15.000 It was that they were covering up for the establishment.

01:51:17.000 They were singing Dick Cheney's praises a couple months ago.

01:51:20.000 Just to offer a different opinion on Anwar al-Walaki, he was allegedly a key organizer for Al-Qaeda.

01:51:27.000 And as far as I'm concerned, if you're an enemy of the United States, planning with terrorist organizations who have killed Americans before, then you're on a shortlist for getting murdered. 0.79

01:51:35.000 And you should be. 0.97

01:51:36.000 That's a terrible idea.

01:51:37.000 No, I think it's a great idea.

01:51:38.000 There's a constitution.

01:51:39.000 The Constitution, you can do a process.

01:51:41.000 Okay, hold on.

01:51:42.000 Let me just say, but what if they said, and remember, he's outside the country and we never hear from him.

01:51:48.000 He's not interviewed, etc.

01:51:49.000 What if you are outside the country and let's say a Democrat's in charge and they go, I think he's working with terrorists.

01:51:55.000 No.

01:51:55.000 Do they have evidence that I'm working with terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda?

01:51:59.000 They say I have evidence, but I'm not going to show you.

01:52:01.000 It's just they did like they do with it all.

01:52:03.000 I'm lucky.

01:52:04.000 Or if there's a little bit more evidence for his terrorist activities and organizing.

01:52:08.000 That's why you've got to go to the courts to show your evidence.

01:52:12.000 I'm not going to take your word for it.

01:52:13.000 I wouldn't take their word for it if they did it to you, and I wouldn't take their word for it if they do it for that matter.

01:52:17.000 Do you have a problem with the drone striking of Qasem Soleimani as well?

01:52:20.000 Yeah, I have a different problem with that.

01:52:22.000 The problem there is you're trying to instigate a war with Iran.

01:52:25.000 Why are you doing that?

01:52:27.000 It seems Soleimani's responsible for the death of American service people in the Middle East.

01:52:30.000 I mean, you're going to say that generically.

01:52:33.000 Hold on.

01:52:34.000 These are two totally different things.

01:52:36.000 You're talking about active combat.

01:52:38.000 There's fighting going on, and whether we agree or disagree on a political and militaristic decision, there's a lot to break down.

01:52:44.000 If we're talking about an American citizen is overseas and Obama says, I don't have to prove to the American people this person has constitutional rights, and I do think it's absurd in any capacity that the United States would bomb anybody with drone strikes without justification.

01:52:59.000 Granted, we do have a constitutional protection for American citizens that noncitizens don't have in combat areas. 0.97

01:53:06.000 Suffice it to say...

01:53:08.000 There's difficult realities.

01:53:10.000 And that is, civilians get killed in these conflicts.

01:53:12.000 That's why we don't like them.

01:53:14.000 Because they don't deserve to die. 0.99

01:53:15.000 They should not die. 0.71

01:53:16.000 And the United States does a lot of drone bombing that kills a lot of people.

01:53:19.000 Barack Obama, when they started killing too many civilians, and you know this, he said, military-age males are now enemy combatants.

01:53:26.000 Some young man carrying a bucket of water, and they blow him up, and they were like, well, military-age male.

01:53:30.000 Unacceptable.

01:53:31.000 Unacceptable.

01:53:32.000 It creates more enemies, which creates more wars that we gotta pay for, right?

01:53:37.000 So, no.

01:53:37.000 And by the way, and I'm gonna trigger this fella again, but that's the Israeli strategy.

01:53:41.000 Hey, they're male. 0.99

01:53:42.000 Nah, they're terrorists. 1.00

01:53:43.000 Hey, guys, don't kill the terrorists. 0.99

01:53:44.000 It'll make more terrorists.

01:53:45.000 So just succumb to whatever the terrorists want, you know?

01:53:48.000 Yeah, but nobody said that.

01:53:48.000 No, no, don't kill the terrorists, because then, you know, it'll make them angry, and it'll make more terrorists.

01:53:53.000 So when October 7th happens, no, no, no, don't attack, don't take out Hamas. 0.82

01:53:57.000 No, you want to keep them there. 0.98

01:53:58.000 Iran is terrorists, guys. 0.99

01:53:59.000 Go to war with Iran. 1.00

01:54:00.000 Go to war with Iran. 0.90

01:54:01.000 All right, all right.

01:54:02.000 Is Hamas Iran? 0.62

01:54:03.000 No, now it's Iran. 0.55

01:54:03.000 Now it's Iran. 0.55

01:54:05.000 Let's go back to Super Chats.

01:54:07.000 Believe it or not, the Uncensored show's coming up in seven minutes.

01:54:09.000 All right, all right, here we go.

01:54:10.000 No more wars for Israel.

01:54:12.000 Alright, let's grab this one.

01:54:15.000 Wukun says, Cenk, good to see you.

01:54:17.000 Called the BS of the Democratic Party.

01:54:18.000 Would like to see more of it.

01:54:20.000 Cenk, what is something that frustrates you that Democrats do too much of?

01:54:25.000 Oh, a lot.

01:54:26.000 So this, you know, as we talked about earlier, the insistence on unity, which is not unity, it's compliance and obedience.

01:54:32.000 So that's the number one problem that Democrats have. 0.95

01:54:35.000 Now, David Plouffe today enraged me because he said something right, but he said it at all the wrong times.

01:54:40.000 He said, oh, you know what, next time we should have a vigorous primary.

01:54:45.000 That's what we said!

01:54:47.000 That was the whole thing.

01:54:48.000 Although, according to Nancy Pelosi, they did have a vigorous primary after Joe Biden stepped out and Kamala Harris was just simply the best candidate.

01:54:56.000 Do you like RFK Jr.?

01:54:58.000 So, uh...

01:55:00.000 I do as a person, right?

01:55:01.000 And so I know him a tiny bit.

01:55:03.000 I know him a tiny bit before he ran.

01:55:05.000 I know him since he ran.

01:55:07.000 And I like his environmental policies.

01:55:10.000 And he doesn't get credit for two sets of policies that I absolutely love and would rather have him be in charge of.

01:55:15.000 One is housing, when he's talking about do not let the private equity firms buy residential homes.

01:55:21.000 It's going to destroy the housing market.

01:55:24.000 It's already destroying the housing market.

01:55:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:26.000 And they're going to drive the middle class into poverty, and it's not going to allow us to create wealth creation for the middle class.

01:55:33.000 So I love his—if he was in charge of HUD, I'd be 100% in favor of it.

01:55:38.000 And I love his anti-corruption policy, which is, let's go for an amendment through the states to get money out of politics.

01:55:45.000 I love it.

01:55:48.000 Unfortunately, on vaccines, we don't agree.

01:55:50.000 But if he won the primary, you'd vote for—if he was a Democratic nominee, it was him versus Trump, you'd vote RFK Jr.?

01:55:55.000 Oh, versus Trump.

01:55:56.000 Yeah, that's easy.

01:55:57.000 And the reason I ask is because I think if they had a real primary, RFK Jr. won.

01:56:02.000 On the Democratic side?

01:56:03.000 No.

01:56:04.000 You don't think he'd win?

01:56:04.000 The reason he wouldn't have won is, look, there's good reasons to vote against RFK Jr. too, all the things that we disagree on, okay?

01:56:12.000 But on top of that, oh my god, the mainstream media controls older Democratic voters.

01:56:18.000 Sure.

01:56:18.000 And they would have demagogued him to, like, they already did, but they, I mean, take what they did to him and multiply it by 200 if he had any chance of winning the Democratic primary.

01:56:29.000 They'd never stand for it.

01:56:30.000 I know it happened to me, it happened to Bernie, it happened to everyone who challenges the establishment.

01:56:35.000 And, like, I'm totally on the left, you know, we've gone through all the debates, etc., etc., right?

01:56:42.000 And when I ran for Congress, the New York Times, CNN, LA Times all painted me as a right-winger.

01:56:48.000 The New York Times said I was anti-Muslim and didn't point out, I had a guy from a Muslim family, right?

01:56:54.000 I'm atheist now, but his family's Muslim, right? 0.96

01:56:56.000 What the hell, right? 0.86

01:56:57.000 Well, that proves it, actually. 0.99

01:56:58.000 Yeah, it sounds very anti-Muslim of you to leave the faith.

01:57:01.000 And so while the radical fundamentalist Muslims would agree, right? 0.54

01:57:06.000 But that wasn't what the New York Times was saying.

01:57:08.000 The New York Times was just lying about me.

01:57:10.000 I brought on, like we're having this conversation, I brought on David Duke to find out what's driving you.

01:57:14.000 Why are you in favor of Trump?

01:57:16.000 And I call him every name in the book during the interview because, you know, if you get me worked up, I'm going to come for you.

01:57:27.000 You're kidding.

01:57:29.000 And by the way, the number one thing I called him was anti-Semitic.

01:57:32.000 Why?

01:57:32.000 Because whatever I asked him, he's like, the Jews are in charge.

01:57:35.000 The Jews are on the bank.

01:57:36.000 So he'd start naming Jewish bankers.

01:57:38.000 I'd start naming Irish bankers.

01:57:40.000 We did that, too.

01:57:41.000 We brought up all the Irish bankers.

01:57:42.000 But then you usually hit him with the Jewish donors after. 0.64

01:57:44.000 You're like, no, Marian Adelson is why Trump is totally loyal to Israel, right?

01:57:48.000 This guy.

01:57:49.000 Okay, so every donor is bad except a Jewish donor. 0.93

01:57:52.000 No, no, no.

01:57:52.000 All the donors are bad except for the ones who donate to left-wing clauses.

01:57:55.000 And everybody I don't like is a grifter. 0.51

01:57:57.000 No, no.

01:57:57.000 I would get all money out of politics.

01:57:59.000 All of it, okay?

01:58:01.000 So, anyways, the New York Times then says, oh, Cenk agreed with David Duke that he's not racist.

01:58:08.000 Oh, I remember this.

01:58:10.000 Other journalists were like, guys...

01:58:13.000 You got carried away here.

01:58:14.000 I know we like to smear people that are populist, but if you watch the interview, he did the exact opposite.

01:58:20.000 So this is as brazen a lie as it gets, and they had to issue a retraction on that one.

01:58:24.000 The whole thing's filled with lies.

01:58:26.000 So on RFK Jr., oh, you'd have had the dead bears and the whales and the brain worm, and then multiply it by 200. They would have come up with everything in the world against them.

01:58:35.000 People forget that all politicians are impure and take donations and lie.

01:58:41.000 I mean, they're politicians.

01:58:42.000 Their entire purpose is to maintain power.

01:58:44.000 And look, so RFK Jr. had a particularly colorful life.

01:58:48.000 Oh, for sure.

01:58:49.000 We all read about the bear.

01:58:51.000 Yeah, so that's a target-rich environment to begin with.

01:58:54.000 But normally what they do is needle in a haystack, right?

01:58:57.000 So my whole career is as a left-wing commentator.

01:59:02.000 But they found one or two things they could paint me as a right-winger because the district I was running in was a Democratic district at that point.

01:59:08.000 So they say, oh, look, he criticized Obama.

01:59:11.000 Which, by the way, literally, again, New York Times said that.

01:59:14.000 They didn't say that I criticized him from a left-wing perspective.

01:59:16.000 Also, why can't you criticize the president?

01:59:19.000 Exactly.

01:59:19.000 I'm like, you're the New York Times, and you're trying to paint me as a right-winger because I criticized Obama, and you claim you're for freedom and journalism and freedom of the press, etc.

01:59:28.000 Well, because they wanted you to do what you were told, right?

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:31.000 They wanted you to toe the line.

01:59:33.000 Exactly.

01:59:34.000 And they'll do it for anyone.

01:59:35.000 And look, so...

01:59:37.000 Gates and Hegseth have significant sexual scandals, right?

01:59:43.000 And so did Madison.

01:59:43.000 So that's what I'm getting to.

01:59:45.000 And Madison Cawthorn, right?

01:59:47.000 So now, but wait a minute, let's distinguish.

01:59:49.000 So if Matt Gates is always doing is drugs and infidelity, I don't care at all.

01:59:53.000 I don't agree with Ann Coulter.

01:59:55.000 Adultery is not my business.

01:59:56.000 That's their business, okay?

01:59:58.000 If he crossed the line and was with a 17-year-old and you could prove it, okay, then I'm out, okay?

02:00:03.000 I don't want it, and that's too far.

02:00:05.000 But wait a minute, now let's look at Madison Cawthorn. 0.99

02:00:07.000 So apparently they had pictures of him dressed up in funny ways and with girls and whatever, all this stuff, but they never released it until he criticized the Republican establishment.

02:00:17.000 And then all of a sudden, here comes all these pictures, right?

02:00:20.000 And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I don't agree with Madison Cawthorn on the policies.

02:00:24.000 But what do these pictures have anything to do with anything?

02:00:28.000 Like, so he was at a party, and he dressed up like this or that, and he was with girls.

02:00:34.000 Why?

02:00:34.000 Does he have to be with guys?

02:00:35.000 Like, what is this?

02:00:36.000 I don't understand this, right?

02:00:38.000 So, like, you have to use your mind.

02:00:40.000 And with Hegseth, on the first allegations, I was like, look, man, on publicly available stuff, it's 50-50.

02:00:46.000 I can't tell, right?

02:00:47.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 But now you're seeing a lot of his people on Fox that work with him.

02:00:50.000 They're like, a bad guy, right?

02:00:52.000 So, okay, now that tilts the scales.

02:00:55.000 But my point is, every time it's sex, right?

02:00:58.000 Because sex is the thing that grabs everybody's attention.

02:01:00.000 I'll give you a great example from the left.

02:01:02.000 Elliot Spitzer, okay?

02:01:05.000 I thought he was great.

02:01:07.000 Sheriff of Wall Street.

02:01:08.000 A friend of mine, we worked at Current TV together.

02:01:11.000 And he's going after all the robber barons.

02:01:13.000 He's going after all the Wall Street crooks. 0.98

02:01:16.000 And all of a sudden, sex scandal.

02:01:18.000 And in that case, there's a whole movie about it, Client No.

02:01:21.000 9 on Netflix.

02:01:22.000 And where the right-wing billionaires, in that case, they're the Wall Street guys, etc., they go, yeah, we targeted him.

02:01:28.000 We got a private investigator.

02:01:30.000 We followed him until we found something that he did wrong.

02:01:34.000 And then what did mainstream media do?

02:01:35.000 Because they love corporations and they love the establishment. 0.98

02:01:39.000 They were like, Elias Spitzer, guilty of sex! 1.00

02:01:43.000 Sex, I say! 0.98

02:01:44.000 And that's what they say every time.

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