Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Democrats FURIOUS Over Elon Musk Becoming TRILLIONAIRE | Timcast IRL

00:01:21.000 Elon Musk is now the world's first trillionaire with a SpaceX IPO.

00:01:27.000 Absolutely incredible showing.

00:01:28.000 It's actually up 30% from the initial price that they were offering, which is nuts because they were pricing it at nearly 100x revenue.

00:01:38.000 So it was $135 a share.

00:01:39.000 It's currently, as of recording, about $173 per share.

00:01:43.000 Massive.

00:01:44.000 And yes, there are many liberals and Democrats that are angry.

00:01:48.000 They are, there are people posting Elon, who they said, Elon Musk is the world's first trillionaire.

00:01:53.000 Let's make sure he's the last.

00:01:55.000 Robert Wright called him a con man with a Ponzi scheme or something that affects Elizabeth Warren.

00:01:59.000 Is like, we got to tax these people.

00:02:01.000 They are just upset that he is launching this company the way he is.

00:02:05.000 But we're going to go through the beginnings of SpaceX, where he's at now, and we're going to talk about what it means to be a trillionaire.

00:02:11.000 Plus, aliens.

00:02:11.000 We'll talk about that.

00:02:13.000 The Trump admins dumped their third tranche of UFO files.

00:02:18.000 And apparently, according to the New York Post, they're close to figuring out what they really are.

00:02:21.000 Uh huh.

00:02:22.000 Like, I believe that.

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00:02:29.000 These UFO files called Disclosure Day, and people think it's predictive programming, whatever.

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00:04:24.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Benjamin Michael.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, how's it going?

00:04:28.000 I'm happy to be on the show here.

00:04:30.000 I'm an Orthodox Christian apologist.

00:04:32.000 I do political commentary as well, mainly topics around Israel.

00:04:37.000 And immigration, those are the main issues that I like to focus on.

00:04:39.000 So, yeah, happy to be here to talk with you guys.

00:04:41.000 You're also a very out of focus person.

00:04:43.000 Oh, you've come back into focus.

00:04:45.000 No, there's a camera issue.

00:04:47.000 Okay, good.

00:04:48.000 Glad I'm back in focus.

00:04:49.000 You're back.

00:04:51.000 For, we're trying to, we call it needling.

00:04:55.000 We're needling you guys.

00:04:56.000 That's why Brian's back.

00:04:58.000 What's up, everybody?

00:04:59.000 I'm Brian Schwab.

00:04:59.000 I'm a huge MAGA supporter.

00:05:02.000 I'm all in Donald Trump, ultra conservative.

00:05:06.000 And I'm just looking to get Laura Loomer's phone number.

00:05:08.000 There's a lot of people, they don't know who you are, and they're going, Oh, I like this guy.

00:05:11.000 It sounds like he's pretty good. 0.99

00:05:12.000 And then, like, 10 minutes later, they're going to be like, I will kill him. 0.98

00:05:15.000 No, I think that's already happened. 0.90

00:05:17.000 The rest of the boys are here.

00:05:18.000 Everybody, happy to be in it.

00:05:20.000 All right, Phil, what's going on, man?

00:05:22.000 Let's get this over with, Brian.

00:05:25.000 Let's do it.

00:05:27.000 We got the story from NBC News.

00:05:29.000 One trillion by any other name, a trillion in words and graphs.

00:05:34.000 SpaceX announced their initial public offering.

00:05:38.000 Right now, I'm going to get that number for you in real time.

00:05:40.000 We're going to hit refresh on this one.

00:05:42.000 SpaceX, Elon Musk's company, is currently trading at $173.02, up 28% from their initial price of $135.

00:05:52.000 Even Tesla is up.

00:05:53.000 This makes Elon Musk.

00:05:55.000 Oh, no, it went down a little bit.

00:05:57.000 It makes Elon Musk the world's first paper trillionaire.

00:06:01.000 Based on the stock value right now, he is worth over a trillion dollars.

00:06:05.000 And that was an estimate made on the share price of $135 per share, which now at $172, there is an estimate that he is going to crack $1.4 trillion by next year.

00:06:16.000 So he's already at, I think, based on these numbers, like $1.1 or some ridiculous number.

00:06:21.000 And so, of course, here's a trillion dollars.

00:06:23.000 It's a pyramid.

00:06:25.000 Larger than, you know, I guess by volume larger than the Statue of Liberty itself.

00:06:30.000 That's absolutely amazing.

00:06:32.000 $1.77 trillion stacked in $100 bills compared to the Statue of Liberty.

00:06:37.000 Elon Musk, $1.7 billion, a Tesla Model X and a SpaceX Starship.

00:06:43.000 I guess that little, that stack right there of hundreds is a billion dollars.

00:06:46.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:06:47.000 So remember the Dark Knight with Joker and he jumps off that big pile of cash?

00:06:47.000 Wow.

00:06:53.000 Assuming those are hundreds, that was like a billion dollars.

00:06:56.000 I don't think people understand the scale of money.

00:06:59.000 So that's it.

00:07:00.000 And well, what can we expect?

00:07:01.000 We got Elizabeth Warren.

00:07:02.000 You know, we love her.

00:07:03.000 She says Elon Musk just became the world's first trillionaire.

00:07:06.000 The typical American household would have to work more than 11 million years to make Elon Musk's level of wealth.

00:07:12.000 We need a wealth tax.

00:07:13.000 We got Robert Reich.

00:07:14.000 You know, you love him.

00:07:15.000 He calls it a galactic ripoff.

00:07:17.000 Tomorrow's IPO of SpaceX could turn into the universe's largest Ponzi scheme. 0.98

00:07:21.000 And you and I are paying part of the price, whether we like it or not, which is dumb. 0.94

00:07:25.000 And there's actually a lot of people. 0.93

00:07:27.000 I might pull these up in a second.

00:07:28.000 I kind of wanted to avoid pulling them up, but death threats.

00:07:31.000 A lot of death threats for Elon, but yeah, he's the richest guy in the world, so I'm not super surprised by that.

00:07:31.000 Great.

00:07:36.000 I want to show you this to kick things off.

00:07:39.000 This is an image of OG SpaceX.

00:07:41.000 Look at them in this little plastic tent with a bunch of what do they call it, Phil?

00:07:46.000 It's a RUD, rapid unscheduled disassembly.

00:07:50.000 An explosion of an early rocket prototype.

00:07:50.000 That's right.

00:07:53.000 And it's actually pretty amazing to see.

00:07:55.000 My response to this was my friends, the journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step.

00:08:01.000 So, when Elon Musk and the team, when they bought this little space, when they started putting together rockets, it's hard to imagine that this ragtag bunch, don't get me wrong, Elon was very wealthy back then.

00:08:11.000 But it's hard to imagine it would become the world's largest IPO, dominate the space exploration and technologies, and make it to this point.

00:08:20.000 So, outside of anything political on this, I just want to say to all of you whatever you think of Elon, the money, all of that, just look at where he started on this project and think about where you're starting on your project right now.

00:08:32.000 You too should be imagining.

00:08:34.000 That from your garage with your scraps, you might be standing looking over the New York Stock Exchange with a trillion dollar IPO one day in the future if you keep working hard.

00:08:45.000 That being said, who else is excited about this?

00:08:47.000 Look, the SpaceX IPO has created 4,400 millionaires other than Elon Musk, 400 of which made over $100 million, right?

00:08:59.000 So it's absolutely a good thing for the whole country, right?

00:09:03.000 SpaceX is the only game in town when it comes to getting.

00:09:08.000 Cargo to space.

00:09:10.000 They're constantly sending satellites into orbit because of the Falcon 9, right?

00:09:18.000 Like even the Falcon Heavy, which is the only thing that can carry big, actually large objects into space, they're constantly relaunching that.

00:09:26.000 Elon Musk is on the cutting edge of reusable rockets.

00:09:29.000 He's the first person that thought that it could be done and not only thought that it could be done, accomplished it.

00:09:38.000 The advancements that we're going to see in rocket technology because of Elon Musk and because of his vision is going to be an incredible thing for the world.

00:09:48.000 He literally installed the internet in the sky.

00:09:52.000 Well, we did have satellite internet.

00:09:55.000 He put it in low Earth orbit.

00:09:56.000 Yes, but he made it for everybody.

00:09:58.000 It wasn't just something where, like, a person was supposed to be.

00:10:00.000 It was for everybody.

00:10:01.000 You had satellite internet.

00:10:02.000 We've had satellite internet at the old studio for going way back before Starlink.

00:10:07.000 He made it low latency.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, and he made it affordable as well.

00:10:10.000 Now, the regular person can afford it.

00:10:13.000 There's something called a BGAN, a Broadband Global Area Network, which has been in use for 20 years.

00:10:18.000 And they very much do look like Starlink.

00:10:19.000 They're little white squares with a stand, and you prop them up.

00:10:24.000 And you would get back in the day, like in 2011, I think you can get like 500 kilobytes up and down.

00:10:31.000 Not really enough for anything.

00:10:33.000 Actually, probably even less than that, maybe 100.

00:10:35.000 Enough for doing reports and sending photographs.

00:10:39.000 It would take a few minutes and a picture.

00:10:41.000 With Starlink, what he did was, so there's like HughesNet and things like that, which we have.

00:10:47.000 You can get 20 megabits up and down, but it's high latency.

00:10:51.000 You can't game on it.

00:10:53.000 And there's a delay because.

00:10:54.000 The satellites are in high orbit.

00:10:56.000 The issue with low orbit satellites is they have to go very, very, very fast, which is very expensive and they got to be replaced a lot.

00:11:05.000 So nobody wanted to do it.

00:11:07.000 He figured out how to make it economically feasible with his team and everyone at SpaceX.

00:11:12.000 And now, when we're flying on planes, you have 100 megabit up and down because of Starlink.

00:11:18.000 It's incredible.

00:11:19.000 And it's worth saying at least anyone that's angry at Elon Musk, right?

00:11:25.000 Elon Musk doing his gay, Elon doing these incredible things has no negative effect on the average person.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, but the reason why people like me and others, I have little respect for somebody like Elon.

00:11:37.000 Little respect.

00:11:38.000 So here's why.

00:11:39.000 Is that, I just want to be clear.

00:11:41.000 You have little respect for Elon Musk.

00:11:43.000 So obviously, he's made a lot of money for himself and he started with nothing.

00:11:47.000 In that aspect of it, I certainly have respect for him.

00:11:50.000 But I think maybe take some of that money being the richest man in the world and maybe pay us all those $5,000 dose checks that you promised.

00:11:56.000 Maybe be a better father. 0.99

00:11:58.000 No, oh, shut up. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Dude, I have little respect. 1.00

00:12:01.000 You're talking about his. 0.99

00:12:04.000 It's such a clown show. 0.97

00:12:05.000 You're just like, well, Elon Musk is a bad guy, and he should. 0.98

00:12:08.000 Oh, I don't like the way that he raises his kids.

00:12:10.000 We have a laugh, kid.

00:12:10.000 No one cares what your opinion of how Elon Musk raises his kids are.

00:12:15.000 Some people care.

00:12:15.000 No, they don't.

00:12:16.000 You don't.

00:12:16.000 No, they don't.

00:12:17.000 No one cares. 1.00

00:12:18.000 Okay, well, if you think that a father can be a complete piece of shit, and all you care about is how much money somebody makes. 1.00

00:12:23.000 I am not interested. 1.00

00:12:24.000 I am not interested.

00:12:25.000 You're not interested.

00:12:26.000 No one is interested in your moralizing.

00:12:28.000 I agree.

00:12:28.000 No one is interested in your moralizing.

00:12:31.000 Oh, well, he's a bad guy and I don't like him. 0.99

00:12:34.000 All you do is spew garbage narrative of that from the left. 1.00

00:12:37.000 It is such hard shit. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Okay, so now it's my turn. 1.00

00:12:40.000 All you do is wear the Donald Trump knee pads 24 7.

00:12:44.000 We've already turned to Donald Trump! 0.60

00:12:45.000 Cuck for Donald Trump. 0.55

00:12:46.000 You're turning red.

00:12:47.000 You literally already turned to Donald Trump.

00:12:50.000 No, no, no, no.

00:12:50.000 Already turned to Donald Trump.

00:12:51.000 This is not fair.

00:12:52.000 This is not fair.

00:12:53.000 He's cucking for Elon.

00:12:56.000 Anybody that's a guy.

00:12:58.000 One trick pony.

00:13:00.000 Elon Musk doesn't work for Donald Trump.

00:13:02.000 You're one trick pony.

00:13:03.000 You guys are both.

00:13:04.000 Good.

00:13:04.000 You guys are both making valid points.

00:13:06.000 I mean, you can criticize someone's ethics and criticize the business. 1.00

00:13:08.000 You don't want to talk about ethics because you're a dumb cock, of course. 0.99

00:13:11.000 I reject the Elon should give his money away to people. 1.00

00:13:14.000 I didn't say give it away.

00:13:15.000 He made a promise to the American people.

00:13:18.000 Hold on.

00:13:18.000 He made a promise to the American people.

00:13:20.000 He talked about wasteful spending.

00:13:22.000 And in that promise, he said, Everyone is going to get a $5,000 check from Doge.

00:13:27.000 It was a failure.

00:13:28.000 Admit that it was a failure. 1.00

00:13:30.000 I fucked up. 1.00

00:13:31.000 It was a failure. 1.00

00:13:33.000 And just then maybe we can move on.

00:13:35.000 They wanted to never move on.

00:13:37.000 It's not zero sum.

00:13:39.000 Did he not promise everybody $5,000 checks?

00:13:41.000 He did. 0.62

00:13:42.000 But you're like, He's a failure.

00:13:43.000 I'm like, Well, he failed on this aspect.

00:13:46.000 He failed on this aspect.

00:13:47.000 I think.

00:13:48.000 So, Elon Musk should take his personal property, sell it, liquidate it, so that way he can write $5,000.

00:13:55.000 Hold on, let me finish.

00:13:56.000 You're saying that Elon Musk should take his personal property, liquidate it, so that way he has the cash so he can write $5,000 checks to the American people because he wasn't able to get Doge to save enough government money to give to the American people.

00:14:11.000 It's his personal.

00:14:12.000 Was Doge a failure?

00:14:13.000 Yes.

00:14:14.000 That's the argument you're making.

00:14:15.000 I'm asking you.

00:14:16.000 No, I don't think it was, but it's not the argument.

00:14:18.000 How much fraud did they find?

00:14:19.000 It's the argument that you're making.

00:14:21.000 And don't change the subject.

00:14:23.000 Yes, you are, because I'm asking you a question.

00:14:25.000 It says here, I'm asking you a question.

00:14:27.000 We have a live fact check over here.

00:14:28.000 John did not officially promise 5,000 checks.

00:14:31.000 He expressed interest in a proposal originated by Doge advisor James Fishback, but clarified the distribution depends entirely on congressional approval.

00:14:37.000 The entire administration promised 5,000.

00:14:40.000 Donald Trump said it multiple times.

00:14:42.000 Elon Musk spoke about it.

00:14:43.000 To be fair, we have been promised stimulus checks how many times, and we haven't received that.

00:14:46.000 Which, as long as one of us has been promised, I've got a fact check.

00:14:48.000 I'm still waiting for Brian to answer if Elon Musk should liquidate his property and write.

00:14:52.000 Personal checks.

00:14:53.000 Brian, can you answer that?

00:14:54.000 I will gladly answer that.

00:14:55.000 Real quick, it's 110 billion in savings.

00:14:58.000 And what did they say they were going to find?

00:15:01.000 What were the promises that were made?

00:15:02.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:15:02.000 I was wrong.

00:15:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:15:03.000 That was in year one.

00:15:05.000 They were aiming for $2 trillion, but only ended up with $215 in savings.

00:15:09.000 I would call that a success.

00:15:09.000 I mean, like, you know, it's the big ask, it's the big sale, right?

00:15:15.000 I think we're happy that we cut, we stop spending in these areas.

00:15:19.000 Brian, should Elon make $2 trillion?

00:15:21.000 But I'll take what I can get.

00:15:22.000 So let me just respond to what Tim said.

00:15:24.000 So, Still dodging my question?

00:15:26.000 No, I'll answer your question, but I'm just responding to what Tim said first.

00:15:30.000 $2 trillion, they got what, maybe 5% of?

00:15:33.000 About 5% or 10%, 5% to 10% of what they said.

00:15:37.000 $215 billion.

00:15:39.000 It was like 17%.

00:15:39.000 Right.

00:15:41.000 Of $2 trillion.

00:15:42.000 15%.

00:15:42.000 Right.

00:15:44.000 Well, I think that would be 10 point, 10 point five.

00:15:47.000 Around 10%.

00:15:48.000 10.52?

00:15:49.000 Yeah, somewhere around 10%.

00:15:52.000 They got 10% of what they said they were or claimed they were going to find.

00:15:57.000 I think that's a failure.

00:15:59.000 And when you look at all the wasteful spending and you look at the deficit right now and you look at this war and everything else combined in the wasteful spending, I would say, No, they're not saving money.

00:16:10.000 No, they're still wasted spending.

00:16:12.000 They saved money.

00:16:13.000 They didn't stop all of it.

00:16:14.000 They got rid of 290,000 to 300,000 federal jobs.

00:16:18.000 That's a good thing because the government is, the bureaucracy is bloated.

00:16:22.000 I'll answer your question.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, should he write the checks?

00:16:27.000 Should he sell his property?

00:16:28.000 Okay.

00:16:29.000 No, I don't think he's doing that.

00:16:32.000 A part of what I said was a little bit facetious, but here's what I will say I don't care necessarily about some of the stuff and the inventions.

00:16:41.000 Listen, does he make great cars, the internet, and all this other stuff that we're talking about?

00:16:44.000 Okay, great.

00:16:47.000 Most people, the average ordinary person in this country, it is not affecting, okay, right now, what we're talking about.

00:16:53.000 What I care about is everyday Americans, the suffering that they are going through, and what is Elon Musk doing.

00:16:59.000 With all that money and with all those inventions, what is he doing to help everyday Americans in their bottom line?

00:17:07.000 That's what's more important.

00:17:08.000 We got two issues here, right?

00:17:10.000 And it feels to me like you're trying to find a reason to be mad at Elon.

00:17:14.000 If you want to separate, like Doge was bad, promises were made, we can, if we chose, we could say, sure, let's go back to the building spaceships and being a trillionaire.

00:17:24.000 These are separate issues.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, I just think there are probably more important things as a society.

00:17:28.000 I disagree.

00:17:29.000 In this whole policy, we could be talking about than spaceships.

00:17:31.000 I know.

00:17:32.000 That's my personal opinion.

00:17:33.000 One of the problems is like Elon's presented himself as like this America first individual as sort of like a political figure in recent years.

00:17:40.000 So I think if we're looking at Elon as some sort of like, you know, technological titan, I think that's different than, you know, The way he's presented himself lately, which is as a political figure.

00:17:50.000 Is he someone who cares about the American success, right?

00:17:55.000 The success of the everyday American, like he presents himself.

00:17:58.000 Or is he just a technological titan that's bringing in all these new things?

00:18:01.000 Because I think you can do both of those things.

00:18:04.000 I'll tell you what I think.

00:18:07.000 There was a personal slighting by the Democrats, and also, I guess, a professional hindrance under the Democratic administrations.

00:18:18.000 The reason why I think Elon went to Trump.

00:18:20.000 Is because first, there was this meeting.

00:18:23.000 I can't remember exactly.

00:18:24.000 Maybe you guys know the details.

00:18:25.000 They did like an electric car summit, and Biden brought a bunch of people in and didn't invite Elon.

00:18:31.000 And I think Elon was slighted by that, with Tesla being like the preeminent electric car company.

00:18:35.000 But they also launched investigations against him.

00:18:38.000 And then all of a sudden, Elon is like, okay, I'm for Trump and free speech now.

00:18:42.000 But I do want to stress one point.

00:18:44.000 Elon Musk, in my opinion, and I think I'm going to say this first SpaceX, I believe, is the most important company on the planet.

00:18:50.000 But I want to say this about Elon.

00:18:51.000 He did not buy Twitter.

00:18:52.000 Because he cared about free speech.

00:18:54.000 Maybe that was a component of it.

00:18:55.000 The narrative that we get is the Babylon Bee made a joke, they got suspended.

00:18:58.000 He was a fan of the Babylon Bee. 0.94

00:18:59.000 He said, This is ridiculous. 0.98

00:19:00.000 You can't run your business this way. 0.92

00:19:02.000 Went to investors and said, They're giving money away by shutting down jokes and speech.

00:19:07.000 We can turn it around.

00:19:08.000 That is not, in my opinion, based on the facts, what actually happened.

00:19:12.000 What I think happened is that Elon saw the Babylon Bee, was a fan, went to investors and said, I want to buy Twitter to get access to their data stream so I can build an artificial intelligence with real time data sets coming in from 300 million users.

00:19:27.000 And they said, okay, that's a moneymaker.

00:19:31.000 And then he said, oh, they did something with like banning a guy too.

00:19:34.000 Well, we don't want to ban people because we want those data sets for the, you know, so the marketing we're going to play is we're going to unban people.

00:19:40.000 But really, what we want is just maximizing user base for the data stream for our new XAI, which we can then use to create content, win the race.

00:19:49.000 It'll be brilliant.

00:19:50.000 Why else would all of these companies offer up billions of dollars to buy a dying social media platform?

00:19:55.000 Because Elon said, This is the data set you need for AI.

00:19:59.000 It is real time text, video, and photo.

00:20:04.000 That's what he bought it for.

00:20:05.000 He's integrating that now into SpaceX.

00:20:07.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:20:09.000 They might not do a merger with Tesla because Tesla is so extremely valuable.

00:20:12.000 Well, you talked about the cars, though.

00:20:13.000 Were you comfortable in the White House when Donald Trump was promoting his vehicles and they'd hold a press conference?

00:20:18.000 Absolutely.

00:20:18.000 You were okay with that?

00:20:19.000 Absolutely.

00:20:20.000 Promoting other people's companies?

00:20:21.000 Okay.

00:20:22.000 I don't think that's the job of the president to do that.

00:20:22.000 Please, yes.

00:20:26.000 Promoting American companies is.

00:20:27.000 Yeah.

00:20:28.000 Somebody that's in the administration, somebody that's technically not in the administration, but is.

00:20:33.000 That's going out to other countries, going to China.

00:20:36.000 Well, again, I think corruption is a big part of this administration.

00:20:40.000 And I believe Elon Musk on a plane with Donald Trump heading to China or Jared Kushner, I think, again, I think it's beyond inappropriate.

00:20:49.000 You know what I'd give you is bailing out the auto industry is questionable.

00:20:53.000 Sitting down and being like, they're great cars.

00:20:54.000 You should buy them.

00:20:55.000 I'm like, okay.

00:20:56.000 I certainly agree with that.

00:20:57.000 Were you against the United States bailing out GM?

00:21:00.000 Oh, no.

00:21:00.000 Guys, guys, we got a problem.

00:21:01.000 What's up?

00:21:03.000 During the bailout of Ford and the automotive industry, Barack Obama did the same thing.

00:21:10.000 Which I had a problem with back then as well.

00:21:12.000 And it was a good thing.

00:21:13.000 I don't like the bailouts, but I have no problem with the president being like, those are great products.

00:21:16.000 You should buy them.

00:21:17.000 Promoting American industry.

00:21:18.000 I have a problem with them blowing up the industry.

00:21:19.000 It depends what the bailout is.

00:21:19.000 It's not a bad thing.

00:21:21.000 It depends what the company is.

00:21:22.000 It depends the circumstance around it.

00:21:24.000 But I can tell you right now that Donald Trump and Elon Musk going in a plane to China is benefiting Elon Musk's best interest and the interest of his investors.

00:21:33.000 I kind of get the feeling that you don't like Donald Trump.

00:21:36.000 Woodrow Wilson did it.

00:21:38.000 Warren G. Harding him as he did that.

00:21:39.000 What concerned me was when they bought 10% of Intel.

00:21:42.000 Woodrow Wilson is the worst.

00:21:43.000 He's literally the worst president in American history. 0.96

00:21:44.000 Absolutely.

00:21:45.000 Because they're talking about buying.

00:21:46.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

00:21:47.000 Who?

00:21:47.000 Woodrow Wilson is the worst American history.

00:21:49.000 I think you even agree, right?

00:21:51.000 I won't disagree with you.

00:21:52.000 It's actually hilarious how for a lot of reasons he is.

00:21:55.000 I thought you guys were going to say Jimmy Carter, though.

00:21:57.000 No. 0.50

00:21:58.000 Woodrow was probably the most fascist president we've ever had. 0.99

00:22:00.000 Miserable fascist. 0.99

00:22:01.000 He was the closest to fascism. 0.99

00:22:03.000 You mean like totalitarian?

00:22:04.000 Because that's different than the.

00:22:05.000 Well, he sold us to the banking industry, basically.

00:22:06.000 He sold us to the banking industry.

00:22:07.000 He was like at that time when fascism was actually popular in America. 0.67

00:22:11.000 He was definitely.

00:22:12.000 Well, I mean, he got us into World War I.

00:22:14.000 The main reason I don't like that was in World War I. Nazism and fascism were actually very popular ideas pre World War II.

00:22:20.000 And yeah, you asked me.

00:22:21.000 Nazism and fascism were actually very popular in America pre World War II.

00:22:24.000 I think, was it Prescott Bush?

00:22:25.000 Oh, yes, that's true.

00:22:26.000 Was it an American Nazi?

00:22:28.000 Listen, if we're just talking about the business side of things, that's one thing.

00:22:31.000 I do think ethics are also important.

00:22:33.000 When you ask me about a person, you say, Brian, nobody cares about your feelings.

00:22:38.000 I care about the person.

00:22:40.000 Is he a family man?

00:22:41.000 Is he a decent human being?

00:22:42.000 And then we can talk about the business ethics and all that other stuff combined.

00:22:46.000 But, you know, Ashley St. Clair might have something to say.

00:22:49.000 But does his personal life discredit?

00:22:51.000 His work?

00:22:52.000 Your personal life doesn't always necessarily do that.

00:22:55.000 And I wouldn't make that point.

00:22:57.000 But I will say, what does he do?

00:23:00.000 Does he put his businesses first and the bottom line and his investors first over his own kids?

00:23:04.000 Yes.

00:23:05.000 Okay.

00:23:05.000 That's the problem.

00:23:06.000 I think that is a problem.

00:23:07.000 That's my point.

00:23:08.000 That's why even conservatives have ragged on him quite a bit.

00:23:10.000 That's my point, Phil.

00:23:11.000 He's got like 30 kids with like 15 kids.

00:23:13.000 You're making my point for me.

00:23:15.000 Now you can.

00:23:15.000 Oh, I'm agreeing with you.

00:23:16.000 I know.

00:23:17.000 I know you're agreeing with me.

00:23:18.000 I'm trying to explain to Phil that it's not always just about personal.

00:23:22.000 I know you don't care, but you don't care.

00:23:22.000 I don't.

00:23:25.000 So you can stop trying to explain to me.

00:23:27.000 But you're a father.

00:23:28.000 You're probably a good father, right?

00:23:29.000 I mean, it depends on if you don't like my politics or not.

00:23:33.000 No, it's not.

00:23:34.000 Bill, this has nothing to do with Elon Musk's politics.

00:23:36.000 Let me be very clear.

00:23:38.000 He has spread his seed all over the country.

00:23:41.000 Let me explain to you, please.

00:23:43.000 Give me 30 seconds.

00:23:44.000 No.

00:23:46.000 Elon Musk has already even publicly talked about this.

00:23:49.000 He spreads his seed all over the country as these women cite all these NDAs, and he's not a father to a lot of these kids.

00:23:56.000 You're not like that.

00:23:57.000 It shouldn't matter what your politics are.

00:23:58.000 I can disagree with your politics, Phil, but I'm sure you're, I would assume you're a good father, okay? 0.99

00:24:04.000 I would never attack you and say, oh, you're a bad father because you're a Trump cuck. 0.99

00:24:07.000 No, I wouldn't say that. 0.99

00:24:08.000 I would say the latter part of it, but nothing to do with your kids.

00:24:10.000 I want to address this.

00:24:12.000 Do you understand the difference?

00:24:13.000 Let me address this.

00:24:13.000 I do.

00:24:14.000 Okay, right, right, guys.

00:24:14.000 I do believe you.

00:24:15.000 I want to address this.

00:24:16.000 I think it is absolutely fair and good to criticize Elon Musk for his personal issues.

00:24:25.000 I think SpaceX is the most important company on the planet.

00:24:28.000 Okay.

00:24:28.000 Those are two different things.

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:30.000 I can respect that.

00:24:31.000 Now, Elon, as a business leader, has proven himself time and time again, not only effectively running these companies.

00:24:38.000 I mean, he really did turn Twitter around.

00:24:39.000 Twitter, like, X is now very successful.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 For all of its issues, he turned it into a money making machine.

00:24:46.000 I think it's dangerous, though.

00:24:46.000 SpaceX.

00:24:48.000 What?

00:24:48.000 SpaceX is dangerous.

00:24:50.000 Why?

00:24:50.000 I think blue sky and threads are dangerous.

00:24:53.000 Like, social media in general is dangerous?

00:24:55.000 I don't think it's dangerous.

00:24:55.000 Agreed.

00:24:57.000 Well, first.

00:24:58.000 I agree.

00:24:58.000 It is.

00:24:58.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 How?

00:24:59.000 Well, yeah.

00:25:00.000 Go ahead, Tim.

00:25:00.000 I'll let you take it.

00:25:01.000 Well, I look at it a couple of ways.

00:25:03.000 X is not uniquely dangerous in the social media space.

00:25:05.000 Okay, okay, okay.

00:25:06.000 But we are getting algorithmically fed and programmed by all of these platforms.

00:25:11.000 There's been a ton of people complaining about the algorithm on X.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, it's terrible lately.

00:25:16.000 It's been horrible.

00:25:16.000 You change your own algorithm with God.

00:25:18.000 What bothers me is I used to be able, I used to have followers, right?

00:25:24.000 And I could post a non political joke about something silly.

00:25:29.000 Zero traction these days because the way the algorithm is designed to amplify.

00:25:34.000 It's always really simple.

00:25:36.000 Do people react to this more than that?

00:25:40.000 Back in the day, I have 2.6 million followers.

00:25:44.000 So let's say before the 4U tab a couple years ago, I'm at like 2.3 million or whatever.

00:25:47.000 I post a picture of like a moose yelling at a rabbit, and it would get like 300 retweets, 300 comments, and people would be laughing and making jokes, being like, this is a silly thing to post.

00:25:56.000 I could post a Star Trek meme.

00:25:58.000 When I post things that are not politics, they die instantly.

00:26:03.000 If I post Democrats are evil, 10 million views.

00:26:06.000 And I'll even take it a step further in that I'll give the New Orleans terrorist attack as an example, right?

00:26:11.000 You had almost everybody on the far right saying that it was an Undocumented immigrant, and it was Joe Biden open border policies, the Laura Loomers of the world, and others spreading just blatant misinformation.

00:26:22.000 This was a guy that was born in the United States of America, and it's all about clicks.

00:26:27.000 And it's all about that's what the community notes feature is for, and it does a pretty good job.

00:26:30.000 Let's talk about that.

00:26:32.000 He was born in America, but were his parents no?

00:26:36.000 But he was born in America, and they were saying he came into this country illegally. 1.00

00:26:39.000 And that's fair. 1.00

00:26:40.000 I want to talk about the wait, did his parents come in illegally?

00:26:42.000 I want to talk about the community note, but I want to and put a pin in it real quick.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, I just want to say.

00:26:47.000 The legitimate criticism was that this is the after effect of mass migration. 0.94

00:26:52.000 People born in this country, this is what Sweden is dealing with. 0.98

00:26:54.000 They're dealing with people from Somalia who had kids, and those kids are now stateless. 1.00

00:26:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:59.000 They were born in Sweden, but they're not stateless. 0.99

00:27:01.000 I get that point, but the point that I'm trying to make, and I think you understand, is that there are a lot of right wing grifters on social media lying and saying that he was an undocumented immigrant.

00:27:09.000 I want to go to your community note statement.

00:27:12.000 What good does it do when you have these right wing accounts that get community noted almost every day?

00:27:18.000 Let's say they have 100 community notes in like a month.

00:27:20.000 And they don't get suspended for it.

00:27:22.000 There should be something put in place.

00:27:24.000 And I understand X is a private business.

00:27:26.000 I get that.

00:27:27.000 But what good is a community note when someone gets community noted 100 times and accounts don't get suspended?

00:27:35.000 Nothing happens.

00:27:36.000 When you get community noted, it deranks you and strips you of monetization.

00:27:39.000 Okay, I understand that.

00:27:40.000 And that actually just happened to a left wing account.

00:27:42.000 You should be suspended.

00:27:43.000 If you get community noted like 20 times in a week, I think you should get suspended.

00:27:46.000 Because there's weaponized communities.

00:27:47.000 Spreading misinformation.

00:27:48.000 There's weaponized communities.

00:27:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:50.000 Because you have people that are basically sending their army of Followers to community notes.

00:27:53.000 Well, then don't say something that's not true.

00:27:55.000 No, you can not say something.

00:27:57.000 This is actually a problem right now in the community note feature because you can get something community noted just by having enough people report it as such.

00:28:04.000 And they don't file one, they flag needs, and then Grok will AI generate a false community note.

00:28:09.000 I think, in my personal opinion, when you make accusations about people and when you say things that are blatantly factually wrong, it could be medical stuff, it could be about a terrorist attack, and you do this time and time again and you get community noted and your account doesn't get suspended for a week or a month or whatever.

00:28:25.000 I find that problematic because it's all about views, right?

00:28:28.000 It's all about even what Tim just said about monetization, even though that, that might be true, you're still gaining more followers and you're gaining more popularity by saying things that are blatantly false.

00:28:38.000 And I don't know if that's a rule.

00:28:39.000 90% of these factual errors, there's a lot of nuance.

00:28:41.000 Like the example you just gave.

00:28:43.000 Okay.

00:28:43.000 So yeah, maybe he was not directly an illegal immigrant, but his parents were.

00:28:47.000 It's like, okay.

00:28:48.000 I mean, it's still the, the logic still applies.

00:28:50.000 So I would say 90% of these, like there is some nuance at play here. 0.70

00:28:54.000 And it's like the principle is still true, even if it's Not true in Israel.

00:28:57.000 What about the Paul Pelosi hammer attack, right?

00:28:59.000 We had so many people.

00:29:00.000 I'm not saying there aren't examples.

00:29:02.000 Listen, there's a leftist account by the name of Junior who had all these fake AI videos about Israel.

00:29:07.000 And by the way, I don't like Israel, but he had all these fake AI videos.

00:29:10.000 Which is also wrong.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:11.000 And he got demonetized and then he started begging Twitter to get his monetization back.

00:29:15.000 Look, like that happens, right?

00:29:17.000 It happens on both sides.

00:29:18.000 But I feel like they do a pretty good job because, like I said, he got disciplined and then now he's been pretty good about it.

00:29:22.000 I feel like there are far more conspiracy theories out there on the right these days than the left.

00:29:27.000 Well, but like, define a conspiracy theory because, I mean, at this point, I'm labeled a conspiracy theorist for talking about great replacement when it's just objectively true.

00:29:35.000 So, like, what is a conspiracy theory anymore?

00:29:37.000 The 2020 election was stolen.

00:29:38.000 Define stolen.

00:29:41.000 Proof and evidence of widespread voter fraud that can prove that the election was stolen and rigged by the Democrats.

00:29:46.000 So let's break that one down.

00:29:48.000 The principal issue is Donald Trump has been relatively vague a lot.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:29:55.000 When it comes to, he says it was rigged, it was obvious.

00:29:57.000 When he gets asked, like when he got asked about California, he says, Oh, you know what we're talking about.

00:30:01.000 So he's not giving any strong claims.

00:30:05.000 So for me, for instance, I have always said the widespread fraud narrative is wrong.

00:30:11.000 I said Joe Biden got 81 million votes because of ballot harvesting, which is legal.

00:30:16.000 Democrat activists were knocking on doors and collecting mail in votes across the country.

00:30:22.000 That's why they couldn't replicate it in 2024.

00:30:24.000 People were at home.

00:30:25.000 So, you agree that's not cheating?

00:30:27.000 So, well, so, define cheating.

00:30:30.000 Do we think it's.

00:30:31.000 Is it against the law?

00:30:32.000 There you go.

00:30:33.000 Agreed, it is not, as I've long maintained.

00:30:34.000 Now, here's where it gets funny.

00:30:36.000 There was a, I think, a Stanford group that put out a claim that I was one of the largest spreaders, amplifiers, they called it, of election fraud narratives.

00:30:50.000 I've never promoted those.

00:30:51.000 Ah, but you know what amplified means?

00:30:53.000 It means I discussed it.

00:30:56.000 Well, that would mean I'm guilty of that as well.

00:30:58.000 Indeed, but I wonder why they didn't write it about you because the media is fake and they lie and this is what they do.

00:31:03.000 And they launder the information.

00:31:05.000 So my point is on the question of 2020, conspiracy theories or otherwise, there was a legitimate argument that the Trump administration actually followed through on, which is twofold.

00:31:16.000 The first is that states like Pennsylvania, Georgia, there were a couple others.

00:31:21.000 Unconstitutionally changed the rules of the elections during COVID.

00:31:25.000 The Constitution provides that the legislative branch of a state determines how the elections are held.

00:31:30.000 In Pennsylvania, the judiciary decided.

00:31:32.000 In Georgia, the executive decided.

00:31:35.000 And Texas filed a lawsuit to the Supreme Court, which the Supreme Court refused to hear.

00:31:39.000 This, I warned about, was going to create a mess.

00:31:43.000 When a state files a lawsuit, it goes under original jurisdiction, meaning the Supreme Court is supposed to take it up.

00:31:49.000 Only Thomas and Alito said, we will hear this case.

00:31:51.000 The rest refused to do it, creating Contention, which I believe contributed to January 6th.

00:31:57.000 Not the sole reason.

00:31:58.000 So, Kash Patel promised four months ago that there were arrests coming and they were on the way.

00:32:03.000 Donald Trump constantly, every single day, besides saying that the election was stolen and rigged by the Democrats, constantly, every single day, oh, you're going to see all the evidence.

00:32:11.000 You're going to see all the proof.

00:32:12.000 Now he's talking about California that you just mentioned.

00:32:15.000 He has one of his own attorneys that's on it.

00:32:17.000 So far in this investigation, they've only found one evidence of fraud.

00:32:21.000 If people want to make elections better, for example, in California, I think we all could agree that there are.

00:32:27.000 Things that could change in California to make the elections faster, have them count votes faster, so on and so forth.

00:32:33.000 But Donald Trump is saying today, yesterday, and the day before that the Democrats are rigging the elections in California.

00:32:40.000 He says, then show me and provide me evidence that could be provided.

00:32:44.000 And they did it by codifying these things in law.

00:32:47.000 I'm going to show you.

00:32:48.000 That's why you bring up the law, right?

00:32:50.000 But they've codified things like.

00:32:52.000 Then change the laws.

00:32:54.000 But cheating is still cheating if you say it's fair.

00:32:56.000 It's still cheating.

00:32:56.000 Then guess what?

00:32:57.000 Change the laws.

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, okay.

00:32:59.000 That's the whole point of this.

00:33:02.000 You avoid talking about the actual issues because you say, well, it's the law.

00:33:07.000 If you don't like the law, change the law.

00:33:08.000 Listen to what I just said.

00:33:09.000 I said, if you want to change the laws and if you think there are ways that can make the elections fairer, safer, faster, I'm all for that conversation.

00:33:19.000 Legality doesn't define morality.

00:33:22.000 Who won the 2020 election free and fair?

00:33:24.000 It was Joe Biden did.

00:33:25.000 Free and fair.

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:27.000 So, no, hold on.

00:33:27.000 Well, okay.

00:33:29.000 There was a piece written in Time magazine called The Shadow Campaign to Save the 2020 Election.

00:33:34.000 Yes.

00:33:34.000 And they outlined exactly what they did, right?

00:33:37.000 And they called it a conspiracy.

00:33:38.000 They called it a conspiracy.

00:33:40.000 Those processes that were done under the table.

00:33:43.000 Right in the national election, are what is actually codified into law in California.

00:33:50.000 And the point is, once you codify it into law, people such as yourself can say, Well, you know, it's the law, so of course they didn't cheat.

00:33:57.000 They didn't break the law.

00:33:58.000 They're not cheating.

00:33:59.000 It's the law.

00:34:01.000 But you earlier were making the remark that morality and the law are different things, and you have problems with people that are doing things immorally.

00:34:01.000 So it's the law.

00:34:10.000 So, your opinion you don't like the laws set forth in California right now, and you think it's immoral.

00:34:15.000 That's your argument.

00:34:16.000 The point that I'm making is.

00:34:18.000 When you codify things that go against, that will change the way that votes are.

00:34:25.000 We were in a global pandemic, and there were a lot of people during that time in 2020 that weren't able to vote the way they normally do.

00:34:31.000 I know you don't care, but most of the country does.

00:34:35.000 The bottom line is every single day, Donald Trump says that the election was rigged and stolen.

00:34:39.000 He's the only president in American history.

00:34:41.000 Those are opinion statements.

00:34:43.000 Yeah.

00:34:43.000 Wait, wait.

00:34:43.000 Every single day.

00:34:44.000 He says it every single day.

00:34:45.000 He talks about the election.

00:34:47.000 But this is a great example, though.

00:34:49.000 Like, obviously, that is an exact.

00:34:49.000 This is a great example.

00:34:51.000 That would be considered a lie, what you just said.

00:34:53.000 Not every single day.

00:34:54.000 Every single day?

00:34:55.000 You're telling me every single day.

00:34:57.000 So we can go to his press conferences and when he speaks to the media, he's cheating.

00:35:02.000 Perhaps.

00:35:04.000 Every time he talks to the media, it appears that he's upset.

00:35:07.000 You would agree that he's obsessed about the 2020 election.

00:35:10.000 He talks about it on a regular basis.

00:35:11.000 I'm just holding you to your point.

00:35:13.000 Listen, there's always a debate.

00:35:14.000 Trump talks about the election all the time.

00:35:17.000 Here's your cheating.

00:35:18.000 You know what this is, Benjamin?

00:35:20.000 That's a legal signature on a ballot in California.

00:35:22.000 We talked about this yesterday.

00:35:23.000 That's cheating.

00:35:24.000 Telling people that they can draw a picture of Kirby that doesn't need to match the other drawing means they have just said signatures don't matter anymore.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 They claim to have voter signature verification, but then they tell you that if you doodle Kirby and then someone else doodles Kirby, but it's the same, it's just like a signature is supposed to work this way.

00:35:44.000 When I sign my name, it's got a unique bend and curve and arc, and you can look at them and go, these look like the same person.

00:35:49.000 What they're saying here is as long as it's the character of Kirby, even if it's clearly a different drawing of him, That is a legal signature in California.

00:35:59.000 Legality does not define morality.

00:36:01.000 Cheating, if you make cheating legal, you're still cheating.

00:36:05.000 Donald Trump's own attorneys are on this.

00:36:07.000 They're conducting a full investigation.

00:36:09.000 If they don't find anything, we already found it.

00:36:13.000 Okay, I understand you're showing this signature verification.

00:36:17.000 Donald Trump's own attorneys have been on this.

00:36:20.000 If they don't find anything that's perfectly fine, but the point that we're making is they aren't going to find anything that is illegal because things like this have been codified into law.

00:36:31.000 Was the 2020 election rigged in stone?

00:36:33.000 How many times do I have to answer the same question?

00:36:36.000 You said Joe Biden won, which I appreciate, obviously.

00:36:40.000 How many times do you want me to answer the same question?

00:36:41.000 Was it rigged?

00:36:43.000 My opinion is ballot harvesting should be illegal, okay?

00:36:47.000 I don't think that you should be able to go, you shouldn't do mail in ballots.

00:36:50.000 I don't care about COVID.

00:36:52.000 So it was legal.

00:36:54.000 So during COVID, it was not rigged.

00:36:55.000 During COVID, it's illegal.

00:36:57.000 Yes, Brian, whatever you're going to say, yes.

00:36:59.000 Yes, you should not be mailing out ballots.

00:36:59.000 Okay, of course.

00:37:01.000 So, what we're supposed to do during COVID when they can.

00:37:04.000 Then we have a lower number of people voting.

00:37:07.000 That's it.

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:08.000 It's actually really simple.

00:37:10.000 The Constitution of Pennsylvania forbade universal mail in voting.

00:37:14.000 So when they decided they would do it anyway, it's actually a really interesting case because the GOP cut a deal with the Democratic Party that they would eliminate down ballot voting.

00:37:24.000 In Pennsylvania, you could go into a ballot and click Democrat, and it would all Democrat.

00:37:29.000 The Republicans in the state were like, if we get rid of this, it'll benefit us in some races.

00:37:34.000 The Democrats said, why would we come together with you on this law?

00:37:37.000 We want a deal.

00:37:38.000 And the Republicans said, how about you get universal mail in voting?

00:37:42.000 We eliminate electronic down ballot voting or down ballot voting on paper ballots.

00:37:46.000 The Democrats said, Deal.

00:37:49.000 When the legislature of Pennsylvania came to pass this law, they hit a roadblock in that it violates the Constitution of Pennsylvania in that mail in voting can only exist in certain criteria absentee, pretending to like military or otherwise.

00:38:01.000 So instead of engaging in the constitutional process to amend the Constitution, they stopped and said, Uh oh, we're in trouble.

00:38:10.000 Guys, we can't pass this law.

00:38:11.000 The Constitution is barring us.

00:38:13.000 They initially tried.

00:38:15.000 The first process is put in a new, you have to put in like three newspapers, the announcement to the public that you're attempting to amend the Constitution.

00:38:22.000 Then there has to be a referendum on it, which means they couldn't do the deal.

00:38:25.000 It would have to go to the general election, referendum to the state population.

00:38:30.000 Then, if they approve it, the next election they could vote on whether they wanted to change the Constitution.

00:38:34.000 So, to cut the deal through, they just went in the back room, shook hands, said, let's just do it, get sued later, and see what happens.

00:38:42.000 When they got sued later in the state, the judiciary said, you're too late, it's moot.

00:38:48.000 This wouldn't change the results.

00:38:49.000 So, Texas filed a lawsuit to the federal government setting original jurisdiction for Pennsylvania violating its constitution.

00:38:55.000 The argument being we are all of the states are participating in a free and fair election together amongst each other.

00:39:03.000 For who will be in charge of our federal government?

00:39:05.000 We all have a voice in this.

00:39:07.000 However, they are in violation of the federal constitutional rules and their own state constitution.

00:39:13.000 They are not playing fair so they can get a free vote for the candidate they want to rule over us.

00:39:19.000 Thomas and Alito said this question must be answered.

00:39:23.000 Do the states, because it wasn't just Pennsylvania, it was Georgia, and I think Michigan and Wisconsin, have the authority to change the rules of their elections in violation of the Constitution?

00:39:33.000 And do the judiciary and the executives of those states have those rights as well?

00:39:38.000 The reasonable conclusion based on the U.S. Constitution is they do not have that, but we've never had that question answered.

00:39:44.000 To simply say that was a free and fair election ignores the fact that there's an unresolved Supreme Court level lawsuit challenging what is overtly unconstitutional in those states.

00:39:56.000 So, this is where the challenge comes in.

00:39:58.000 These are legal interpretations, and the game being played on the left and the right the whole time is I will do it now and you can sue me later.

00:40:06.000 But let me point this out too.

00:40:08.000 From 20991, the California government on elections, it actually says if the voter has dated the vote by mail ballot identification envelope, it constitutes a dated envelope.

00:40:21.000 In California, citing section of the California Election Code, section 3020, so long as a ballot is received seven days after Election Day and they have hand dated it, proving that date, it counts towards the election with a signature of Kirby.

00:40:41.000 This is not an election at all.

00:40:43.000 I'm sorry, in no reality can you call an election to say, hey, we're all going to come together and vote.

00:40:49.000 Everybody put your ballots forward for what we want for lunch.

00:40:52.000 Don't worry though.

00:40:53.000 We have a week to get pictures of Kirby on ballots that were hand dated to prove it that they were here the whole time.

00:41:00.000 That's not an election.

00:41:01.000 Well, again, there are legal avenues that Donald Trump and his administration are trying to prove that.

00:41:07.000 You have an open investigation.

00:41:09.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:41:09.000 I got to stop.

00:41:10.000 There's nothing to prove.

00:41:10.000 I got to pause.

00:41:11.000 It's proven.

00:41:11.000 I proved it.

00:41:12.000 Well, then why have his attorneys not come forward and gone public when they. 1.00

00:41:16.000 Conservatives are stupid. 1.00

00:41:17.000 Well, then he needs to hire some better attorneys than that. 1.00

00:41:20.000 Well, I agree with that as well.

00:41:20.000 We need a better president.

00:41:22.000 I also want to point out this was your example of a conspiracy theory that should cause someone to lose their platform over.

00:41:27.000 So are you saying that Tim should lose his platform because he's pushing this information?

00:41:32.000 Well, I was talking about.

00:41:33.000 Terrorist attacks, for example.

00:41:34.000 But when I asked you for examples of conspiracy theories, this was your example.

00:41:38.000 If you say that the 2020 election, which he has not said, but if you say that the 2020 election was rigged, stolen, and the Democrats cheated, and that's.

00:41:47.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:41:48.000 Democrats cheat?

00:41:49.000 Widespread voter fraud is the word that I used, which we'd have to prove.

00:41:52.000 So should he be saying that?

00:41:53.000 So should he be not informed over this?

00:41:55.000 I've never said fraud because fraud is illegality.

00:41:58.000 I said widespread voter fraud was the word that was used.

00:42:01.000 You have to prove widespread voter fraud to prove that there was enough.

00:42:05.000 Of that fraud to overturn this was my whole point that got us to this, you know, this direction was the nuance behind these things that you're saying are blatant lies.

00:42:12.000 It's like, well, there's clearly a lot of truth and it can be demonstrated.

00:42:16.000 I think you're saying we should be deplatforming people over this.

00:42:19.000 Uh, I didn't say necessarily deplatform, I never used it, but that was the implication.

00:42:22.000 Because I got a question, I got a question.

00:42:24.000 You said lose their account.

00:42:25.000 If no, I didn't say that, I got a question for you.

00:42:27.000 I said there should be some suspensions and there should be some accountability.

00:42:30.000 If you're that's the terminology that I was using, so with redistricting right now, inside elections has Republicans at one seat away in the polls.

00:42:38.000 From securing the House majority.

00:42:40.000 Actually, I should pull this one up because this one is interesting.

00:42:43.000 So I have a question for you, but I first want everyone to see the House 2026 map.

00:42:48.000 The reason why I actually don't like the default map they use is because they're actually bringing in betting odds alongside polling.

00:42:55.000 So if we go with Sabato's.

00:42:56.000 I saw the poly market odds.

00:42:58.000 I don't know what your thoughts on that.

00:42:59.000 You know, you're a gambler, you can bet on that stuff.

00:43:01.000 Well, look, we got Sabato's crystal ball has Republicans at 213 by the polls to Democrats 206.

00:43:09.000 Cook Political Report has Republicans at 212 to Democrats 205.

00:43:12.000 Inside Elections has Republicans now, okay, went down to 215 to Democrats 206 based on the polling.

00:43:17.000 Republicans are, I think, by the prediction markets, either they're projected to either hold the House and the Senate or just the Senate.

00:43:26.000 There is a plurality in the betting markets, about 40%, that believes Democrats will sweep, which makes no sense because taking the Senate makes no sense because they'd have to flip a Republican seat.

00:43:36.000 In the scenario that Republicans take the majority, And then they pass a law saying that in order to vote, you need to praise Jesus.

00:43:53.000 And then Democrats all refuse to praise Jesus.

00:43:56.000 And so when they go to the polling location, before they're let in, they say, Do you praise Jesus?

00:43:59.000 They go, No, I don't.

00:44:00.000 Then you can't come in and vote.

00:44:02.000 Would that be a fair election?

00:44:04.000 No, not necessarily.

00:44:05.000 Why not, though?

00:44:06.000 It's the law.

00:44:07.000 They pass a law, then it's fine, right?

00:44:09.000 What I believe is that if you want things to change, in this case, we're talking about elections, then you have to go through.

00:44:15.000 Through the proper process to do that.

00:44:17.000 I asked if it was a fair election to make people profess faith in Jesus before they can vote.

00:44:21.000 Well, no, of course not.

00:44:22.000 That's insane.

00:44:22.000 Why not?

00:44:23.000 If the law is passed, it's fair.

00:44:24.000 Well, obviously, there are laws that are passed that people aren't going to agree with.

00:44:27.000 Like Kirby as a signature, hand dated dates.

00:44:30.000 And seven days after the election?

00:44:30.000 I have a.

00:44:32.000 I have a way to rectify a lot of that.

00:44:33.000 It's a weird analogy.

00:44:34.000 Seven days after the election, you can write a date on a ballot and put a picture of Kirby, and that's a vote?

00:44:39.000 Well, obviously, it's.

00:44:41.000 What is this, like a children's raffle for hot dogs?

00:44:43.000 There are obviously, as I've said to start this conversation, there are things that they're doing in California that I don't agree with.

00:44:48.000 They call it cheating.

00:44:49.000 Need to improve, but when you make the case that Democrats are rigging it and they're cheating and elections are stolen, unfortunately, in this country, you have to be able to prove that in a form.

00:44:59.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:45:01.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:45:02.000 If you went to your average person on the street, men on the street, and said, Do you think people should be allowed to submit a ballot seven days after an election, hand dated before the election with a picture of Kirby as their signature?

00:45:15.000 I don't think that's a fair election.

00:45:16.000 Do you think they would say yes?

00:45:17.000 I don't think that's a.

00:45:17.000 I don't think, no.

00:45:18.000 Why is it legal?

00:45:19.000 I don't.

00:45:19.000 Well, again, you're going to have to talk to the lawmakers in California about that because they've allowed it.

00:45:23.000 Do you think it should be legal?

00:45:25.000 I think they should probably change some laws.

00:45:27.000 Sure.

00:45:27.000 Do you think that is a fair election to allow people to hand date ballots after the election and submit them with pictures of Kirby?

00:45:34.000 Fair is an interesting word because, you know, are you saying, well, wait a second, is this fair or are you saying Democrats cheated and it was stolen?

00:45:41.000 I'm asking you if you think it's fair.

00:45:43.000 Might not be fair, but that doesn't.

00:45:44.000 Is it fair in an election to come seven days after the election with a hand dated ballot with a signature that is a cartoon character?

00:45:51.000 Is that fair?

00:45:53.000 How do we know whether that's a Republican or a Democrat?

00:45:55.000 We don't.

00:45:55.000 I'm asking if it's fair in general.

00:45:58.000 Do you think the average person who votes knows that people are submitting ballots seven days after the election with pictures of cartoon characters on them?

00:46:05.000 There's a lot of things that People of the average American citizen don't know.

00:46:08.000 So I would say, probably not.

00:46:09.000 But my point is, if you go to the average person and ask them, how does an election operate?

00:46:13.000 They're going to say, we have an election day where everybody comes, they cast their ballot.

00:46:17.000 And then we say to them, actually, you're wrong.

00:46:18.000 In California, after the election, people can fill out a ballot as long as they hand date it for the election.

00:46:23.000 Here's what I wouldn't have a problem with.

00:46:24.000 If the Trump administration today held a press conference, let's just say, and one of their attorneys said, hey, we need to change some things.

00:46:31.000 Here's why.

00:46:32.000 And they presented it in a way that you are.

00:46:34.000 And they said, hey, we need to pass some laws in California.

00:46:37.000 We need things to change.

00:46:38.000 Here's why we don't think this is fair.

00:46:40.000 And moving forward, For the country, for the state of California, we need to do this.

00:46:44.000 That would be one thing, but that's not what they're doing.

00:46:47.000 I get it.

00:46:48.000 Let me ask you.

00:46:49.000 You see my point.

00:46:50.000 I understand you're saying there's a legal process that's happening, but let me ask you if the Supreme Court ruled that no state will be allowed to do mail in voting and that all ballots must be delivered on election day and submitted on election day, would that be fair?

00:47:05.000 Well, everyone would have to abide by the same rules.

00:47:07.000 So, of course, I would say that's fair.

00:47:09.000 I wouldn't agree with it, right?

00:47:10.000 Why not?

00:47:11.000 But that's not what you're asking me.

00:47:12.000 For a lot of different reasons.

00:47:13.000 You think people should be allowed to turn in ballots after the election?

00:47:16.000 Well, there's a lot of different reasons.

00:47:17.000 There's exceptions to the rule, there's people that might have medical procedures done.

00:47:21.000 But absentee is different from universal.

00:47:22.000 I understand that.

00:47:23.000 But if we're talking about 2020 or we're talking about now when it comes to the balloting.

00:47:27.000 So let's get very specific.

00:47:27.000 Right, right.

00:47:28.000 Yeah.

00:47:29.000 Supreme Court says the structure by which we have the absentee ballot system shall remain.

00:47:33.000 That is, in certain circumstances codified by law, people in the military suffering ailments or there's a, was it bereavement, travel, will be able to submit for an absentee ballot, those shall count.

00:47:45.000 Universal mail in votes that are hand delivered, whether requested or not, shall be deemed unconstitutional.

00:47:50.000 Ballots outside of the absentee system must be delivered and received on election day.

00:47:57.000 Is that fair?

00:47:58.000 Well, it would be fair because everybody would have to abide by the same rules.

00:48:01.000 But here's why, and here's probably where we disagree.

00:48:04.000 I think we should make it as a country as easy as possible for people to be able to vote.

00:48:10.000 Nope.

00:48:11.000 Does that include after the election?

00:48:14.000 Again, are you talking?

00:48:15.000 I'm asking you an honest question.

00:48:17.000 What about exceptions?

00:48:18.000 Medical procedures.

00:48:19.000 These aren't exceptions.

00:48:20.000 Right.

00:48:21.000 We've already talked about absentee.

00:48:22.000 We're fine with that.

00:48:23.000 I wouldn't necessarily, unless we're talking about military and exceptions to it.

00:48:27.000 They always had to register for that.

00:48:29.000 I wouldn't necessarily.

00:48:30.000 Listen, I'm okay with voter ID too.

00:48:32.000 Okay.

00:48:32.000 I'm not one of those people that just thinks anybody that can just show up without an ID or if we're talking about a week after the elections, I would be, I probably wouldn't be opposed to that.

00:48:40.000 Banning it or?

00:48:41.000 No, just to saying, okay, you have to do it by this date and that's it.

00:48:45.000 I probably wouldn't be opposed to that.

00:48:45.000 It's done.

00:48:47.000 I mean, Spencer Pratt would have won.

00:48:48.000 I just, and I think we agree on this also.

00:48:50.000 I just don't like.

00:48:51.000 The way Donald Trump has approached everything.

00:48:52.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:48:53.000 Trump, aside from this, because I can, you're making an argument on his character, his demeanor, the things he's saying.

00:48:58.000 Fine.

00:48:58.000 Outside of that, I'm talking about the structure of these elections.

00:49:00.000 I don't have a problem with what you're saying.

00:49:02.000 If we said you cannot count bouts after Election Day, Spencer Pratt advances to the general, it actually means like Cisneros in 2018 doesn't make it, doesn't advance, and the Republicans hold that seat.

00:49:15.000 Democrats and Republicans, perhaps you're right.

00:49:15.000 And guess what?

00:49:18.000 Democrats and Republicans need to be able to come to the table, which by the way, they're not really able to do on any topic these days, and say, hey, I'll tell you why.

00:49:25.000 I'll tell you why.

00:49:26.000 You got to be able to reason.

00:49:28.000 I agree with you that California is a mess.

00:49:30.000 It's part of the reason why I would rather see someone else run for president other than Gavin Newsom.

00:49:35.000 I'd like to see somebody else that would be a front runner.

00:49:38.000 California is a mess.

00:49:39.000 They have their issues.

00:49:40.000 I understand that.

00:49:42.000 But you have to go through the right legal process in order to change the laws that are on the books right now.

00:49:46.000 I think the reason why the Trump administration is not going to do these things is because Watson v. RNC is poised to be ruled upon in the next week or two, which I believe the only conclusion is, as I described, the Supreme Court will have to rule that you cannot have universal mail in voting.

00:50:01.000 And you cannot, like, they're going to avoid the entirety of California's elections outright.

00:50:06.000 So the question is, and this is the Republican strategy that is on purpose Republicans sued in Mississippi intentionally, arguing the law in Mississippi allowing for the counting of ballots after election day is unconstitutional.

00:50:18.000 They did it in Mississippi because it means that the Mississippi solicitor is going to throw the fight.

00:50:25.000 Then, when the Supreme Court rules in favor of the plaintiff, California will be constrained.

00:50:30.000 So the ruling cannot simply be.

00:50:33.000 You can't count bouts after election day.

00:50:34.000 Let me ask you a question, Tim, and this is going to the elections in general.

00:50:39.000 I've always felt that there should not be an electoral college.

00:50:43.000 I've always felt that it should be a popular vote.

00:50:45.000 That's terrible.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, that should not be.

00:50:47.000 Why?

00:50:47.000 Tell me why one vote in Maine should not mean as much as another vote or shouldn't mean as much as a vote that you've asked.

00:50:55.000 So the Great Lakes Coalition is a really great example.

00:50:59.000 Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, et cetera.

00:51:03.000 Ontario is a part of this as well, which creates an international barrier.

00:51:06.000 Arizona tried filing a lawsuit to get access to Great Lakes water because they're an arid state.

00:51:11.000 And I believe they get their water principally from the Colorado River.

00:51:14.000 They couldn't do it because a combination of factors.

00:51:18.000 The Electoral College is one, but the Great Lakes Coalition, which included a foreign country, blocked them from doing it.

00:51:25.000 This creates an interesting example.

00:51:27.000 In California, where as a single state, they don't have an electoral system, we saw the inversion of this.

00:51:32.000 In the drought in 2015, Tulare County ran out of water, they had surface water.

00:51:38.000 But there's a problem.

00:51:39.000 Tulare County had only 300,000 people.

00:51:41.000 So the poor migrant farm workers, their wells ran dry because the cities, which are dense and populous, voted to take away the water from the poor people.

00:51:51.000 The idea with the Electoral College was how do we stop New York at the time, because California wasn't around, from voting away the rights of Illinois or from these other states?

00:52:01.000 We need to find a way to balance out these rights.

00:52:04.000 This was a contentious issue because a lot of people certainly said it should just be the people vote.

00:52:09.000 And they said, here's the problem.

00:52:10.000 We enter a new state into the union.

00:52:13.000 And they say, I won't join because there are 3 million people in New York.

00:52:17.000 We're going to vote to steal our stuff.

00:52:19.000 And they said, How about we then weigh this, which means you'll get a vote for president based on the population, but also the state.

00:52:27.000 This means that Rhode Island, which only has one congressional seat, still gets two votes because states admitted for this reason need to have a power balance.

00:52:36.000 That was the point of the Electoral College.

00:52:37.000 For every member of Congress, Senate, or House, you will get one vote.

00:52:41.000 So Wyoming has three, Rhode Island has three.

00:52:44.000 The point is this.

00:52:45.000 If we do not have an electoral college system, if it is a flat universal vote, then the campaigning will only be done in LA, New York, and Chicago, and maybe Seattle and some other cities.

00:52:57.000 Smaller cities will constantly lose presidential elections, and presidential candidates will have no reason to try and convince smaller states and populations to support them.

00:53:07.000 This means you end up with a scenario where you have Arizona saying, We have a bigger population than Nebraska.

00:53:17.000 I don't think that's true, but like Arizona could vote, and then Wyoming loses mineral rights.

00:53:23.000 So a president comes in and says, I have no reason to protect the rights of people in Wyoming.

00:53:28.000 Because they don't move the needle for either candidate.

00:53:31.000 I witnessed, I interviewed a migrant farm worker family, went in their kitchen and they turned the water faucet on and nothing came out. 0.93

00:53:39.000 And they said, We can't drink, we can't take showers.

00:53:41.000 And I said, We're not, hold on.

00:53:44.000 And they said, The drought has hit everybody and there is surface water in our county that we should be able to drink, but San Diego voted that they get our water.

00:53:44.000 What do you mean?

00:53:56.000 So we die.

00:53:57.000 And I was like, Well, that's messed up.

00:53:58.000 How do you protect against that?

00:54:00.000 And they go, I have no idea.

00:54:01.000 We all voted, and there's only 13 million of them, and there's 300,000 of us.

00:54:05.000 So we die, I guess.

00:54:07.000 The farmers got loans and drilled thousands of feet into the earth and started getting as much groundwater as they could, which was causing the ground to sink and destroy the environment, all because Los Angeles is a dense population and there's no balance of control between jurisdictions.

00:54:22.000 So I'm a big fan of the Senate.

00:54:25.000 I'm a big fan of the Electoral College because we are a massive nation.

00:54:28.000 And I believe that if we didn't have that, this country would have broken apart a long time ago because you ain't taking my water.

00:54:33.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 Well, I obviously disagree with you.

00:54:36.000 I don't think the people of Tulare should have their water taken away.

00:54:39.000 Of course not.

00:54:39.000 But I do.

00:54:40.000 Well, then how do we balance that?

00:54:41.000 Well, in my personal opinion, it shouldn't matter what state you're in, what city you're in.

00:54:46.000 One vote should mean just as much as another vote.

00:54:49.000 Now, as what you talked about as far as campaigning goes, if you're running for president and you don't want to campaign in Wyoming because you don't think it's as valuable to you because you're not going to be able to get as many votes in that state, okay, so be it. 1.00

00:55:02.000 That's why they don't care about Asians. 1.00

00:55:04.000 Brian, democracy is stupid. 1.00

00:55:06.000 Democracy, what? 1.00

00:55:08.000 It's very stupid. 1.00

00:55:08.000 Democracy is stupid. 1.00

00:55:10.000 Okay. 1.00

00:55:10.000 Well, if I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people, what you're advocating for is just mob rule. 1.00

00:55:14.000 Like if I drive my truck into a small town, not.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, it is because if I drive, okay, so, but that's what democracy is, is it not?

00:55:20.000 So if I drive my truck into a small town and that small town votes that that truck now belongs to them, that's democracy, right?

00:55:27.000 No, democracy is, I think, I think, I think everybody has the right to vote in this country and I don't care what's happening.

00:55:32.000 Everybody had the right to vote.

00:55:33.000 I cast my vote saying this is my truck and the town cast their vote saying, No, I'm not talking about.

00:55:38.000 There's a reason why the founding fathers did not want a democracy and spoke out against it. 1.00

00:55:42.000 Because it's stupid. 1.00

00:55:43.000 Talk about the founding fathers. 1.00

00:55:44.000 We could talk about a lot of things that we agree or disagree with.

00:55:47.000 The point that I'm, and again, where I disagree with all of you, I assume, Ian, I don't know what your take is on this. 0.94

00:55:51.000 He's a fascist.

00:55:53.000 You don't know me. 0.93

00:55:55.000 He wanted to make gods of the 51st state.

00:55:58.000 He did.

00:55:58.000 All right.

00:55:59.000 That's a little extreme for me.

00:55:59.000 I don't agree.

00:56:00.000 I don't agree with that.

00:56:01.000 But, yeah, I mean, I just fundamentally disagree.

00:56:04.000 I think, and let's be honest here, everyone.

00:56:07.000 Republicans would probably lose nine out of 10 elections.

00:56:09.000 They would lose the popular vote.

00:56:10.000 I know Donald Trump won the popular vote.

00:56:12.000 That's actually not true.

00:56:13.000 So, in the history of this country, when it comes to presidential elections, what are the stats where.

00:56:18.000 That's not what we're talking about.

00:56:19.000 Well, I'm just talking about the overwhelming majority of the populace voting Republican or Democrat.

00:56:24.000 Republicans would lose almost every election.

00:56:26.000 Brian, Brian, my ideas on these elections, I've come to them because I've already considered everything you're saying.

00:56:33.000 In California, it's two to one Democrat to Republican, but it is largely known that Republicans don't turn out to vote.

00:56:40.000 One hypothesis on the greater, on the interstate compact, the popular vote interstate compact, is that if the elections do become popular vote contests, there are more blue states with inactive red voters than red states with inactive blue voters.

00:56:54.000 We don't actually know how it will play out.

00:56:57.000 And I think it's actually a cope from a lot of Republicans to say, oh, the Democrats are trying to cheat when it comes to the interstate compact.

00:57:03.000 I think the bigger issue is instability.

00:57:06.000 But there is a hypothesis where experts smarter than I have broken down what if voter turnout increased to standard levels among California Republicans?

00:57:16.000 It would jump the popular vote by an estimated like three to four million votes, which theoretically could have swung those other votes, those other presidential elections you are talking about.

00:57:24.000 To put it simply, Republicans in California do not vote because it's so heavily Democratic.

00:57:29.000 There's no point.

00:57:31.000 That's the general belief.

00:57:32.000 But in states like Wyoming, there's not a same proportion of inactive blue voters.

00:57:38.000 So Democrats in Wyoming may be motivated to come out and vote, but they will not outvote Republicans in blue states.

00:57:43.000 I mean, again, hypothetically speaking, that may or may not be possible.

00:57:47.000 But I do also find it very interesting that when Republicans win elections, and I'm speaking in general terms here, like in 2016 or in 2024, A lot of those MAGA Republicans, those conversations seemed to go away.

00:58:00.000 Everything seemed to go okay in 2016 when Donald Trump won.

00:58:04.000 All that, if you remember.

00:58:05.000 I didn't.

00:58:05.000 What do you mean?

00:58:05.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:58:06.000 Trump said it was fraud.

00:58:07.000 Right.

00:58:08.000 In 2000, I was getting to that.

00:58:09.000 In 2016, he said it was fraud.

00:58:10.000 In 2015, and leading up to those elections, he was telling everybody that the Democrats were going to cheat and Hillary was going to win.

00:58:16.000 Then something happened.

00:58:17.000 Donald Trump won a free and fair election.

00:58:19.000 And then for the next three years, all of those rumblings and all of those conversations by MAGA Republicans seemed to go away.

00:58:26.000 No, You're wrong.

00:58:27.000 When Trump won in 2016, he came out almost immediately and said, I should have won by more.

00:58:32.000 There was a ton of fraud.

00:58:33.000 He accused the Democrats of fraud even when he won.

00:58:36.000 And the Democrats accused him of being a rusher.

00:58:37.000 I had a question, Brian, and for everybody, really.

00:58:39.000 How do you feel about electronic voting on a proprietary voting machine?

00:58:42.000 No.

00:58:43.000 I want paper ballots.

00:58:45.000 I'd have to know a little bit more about it.

00:58:48.000 Dominion has machines that you don't know existed.

00:58:50.000 We all know Fox News lost almost a billion dollars on the ballot claiming that it was cheated by the Dominion machines.

00:58:56.000 Which, by the way, was a lie.

00:58:57.000 Which, by the way, was a lie.

00:58:58.000 They had a claim that they didn't have evidence to prove their claim.

00:58:59.000 So they got sued.

00:59:00.000 But the reality is, If you have a machine where the code is secret and you don't know what it's doing, I believe it's a vulnerability.

00:59:06.000 I don't know if it's necessarily hacking or not, but it's an opportunity for hacking and fraud.

00:59:11.000 So I feel like having an opportunity for hacking and fraud in our voting system is a massive.

00:59:17.000 Hold on.

00:59:18.000 Hold on.

00:59:18.000 I would have agreed with you on Dominion in 2020, but then a Republican bought it, and now Dominion's fantastic.

00:59:27.000 I know you're kind of being facetious, but I'm still not comfortable with electronic secretive ballot counting with a foreign. 0.97

00:59:35.000 I mean, I hate to agree with Phil on anything, quite frankly, but I do agree with him on this. 1.00

00:59:39.000 I do think old school ballot.

00:59:41.000 Allergic to being correct.

00:59:43.000 I do believe that we should probably keep it away from the Dominion machines.

00:59:48.000 That'll probably be a little bit more comfortable there.

00:59:50.000 Let's see that headline that you just put up, which Trump falsely claims, which is every day he falsely claims something, but millions of people who voted illegally cost him the popular vote.

01:00:00.000 That is a lie.

01:00:01.000 If you're illegal, you are not allowed to vote in a presidential election.

01:00:05.000 That is a lie.

01:00:06.000 Doesn't that bother any of you guys?

01:00:07.000 He didn't say illegal people.

01:00:08.000 He said people who voted illegally. 1.00

01:00:10.000 Right, but I understand that.

01:00:12.000 Then why do Democrats not want ICE at voting ballots?

01:00:15.000 That is weird.

01:00:16.000 Sure, I'll answer that.

01:00:17.000 I'll answer that because I think it's intimidation.

01:00:19.000 Of who? 1.00

01:00:20.000 Of illegal immigrants. 0.97

01:00:20.000 Yeah, of who? 0.97

01:00:21.000 Why would a legal immigrant be intimidated?

01:00:22.000 Why should ICE be at those?

01:00:24.000 Why?

01:00:25.000 Why would Democrats be afraid of it?

01:00:27.000 Well, but answer my question. 1.00

01:00:28.000 Yeah, because to prevent illegal immigrants from trying to vote. 0.98

01:00:28.000 Why? 0.98

01:00:32.000 Okay, so illegal immigrants cannot vote. 1.00

01:00:34.000 And I will tell you this. 1.00

01:00:35.000 So it's actually quite simple.

01:00:37.000 No one should care.

01:00:38.000 Anybody can try to do anything.

01:00:39.000 Great.

01:00:40.000 So, what's wrong with having ICE there?

01:00:41.000 It is, okay.

01:00:42.000 First of all, if you're a family.

01:00:43.000 We have guards at ICE.

01:00:43.000 I'll give you an example.

01:00:45.000 People can't steal money from the government. 0.99

01:00:46.000 Let's just say you're the mother.

01:00:47.000 Let's just say you're a mother and you're not voting, you're undocumented, and you're there with your kids that are old enough to vote.

01:00:52.000 Mom wants to go with the kids and watch them vote, whatever the case may be.

01:00:55.000 I would imagine a lot of people would be very intimidated and they wouldn't go there and they wouldn't vote because they're ICE agents.

01:01:01.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:01:02.000 Intimidated by law enforcement?

01:01:04.000 Wait, wait.

01:01:04.000 Your example is someone, is some kids that have birthright citizenship from an illegal mother?

01:01:08.000 Anchor babies. 0.99

01:01:08.000 That's your example. 0.99

01:01:09.000 I'm giving you examples.

01:01:10.000 I'm giving you examples where I have talked to people that would be intimidated.

01:01:13.000 They shouldn't be voting either, to be frank.

01:01:15.000 So criminals agree.

01:01:17.000 There are people, there are people that are very.

01:01:17.000 Stay away.

01:01:21.000 Should banks have guards?

01:01:23.000 But you can't take money from a bank.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, but.

01:01:23.000 Why?

01:01:24.000 You can't take money from a bank. 1.00

01:01:27.000 Illegals can't vote. 1.00

01:01:28.000 There's evidence that undocumented immigrants, so many of them are voting illegally. 0.97

01:01:31.000 No, but the argument is it doesn't matter.

01:01:33.000 That's not the point.

01:01:34.000 I'm going to say this.

01:01:35.000 You are right.

01:01:35.000 They don't vote.

01:01:36.000 So who cares if ICE is there?

01:01:38.000 Do you understand the point that I'm trying to make, though?

01:01:40.000 Criminal aliens might actually vote illegally.

01:01:40.000 The point that I'm trying to make is.

01:01:42.000 I think I saw some stat that like 26 people voted illegally that were undocumented in this country in 2024.

01:01:49.000 And I'm trying to figure out why ICE agents could be used in a position.

01:01:53.000 I completely agree.

01:01:54.000 I'm trying to figure out why Democrats are mad about ICE agents being in a position.

01:01:57.000 At a facility, I'm not mad about it.

01:01:59.000 I was mad about it, but what I am saying is I can understand why some people might feel uncomfortable.

01:02:04.000 Okay.

01:02:04.000 I can understand that there are people who believe illegal immigrants are voting and this will make them feel better.

01:02:09.000 And I think the feelings of maybe these people are stupid, but if it makes them feel better, then what's the harm? 0.99

01:02:15.000 Okay. 0.99

01:02:15.000 So I'll tell you what the harm is. 0.99

01:02:17.000 Don't you think those ICE agents could be used in other areas in better ways to be serving this country and doing what they're doing than these people who are doing door to door raids?

01:02:26.000 Sure.

01:02:26.000 But my answer is no, because government is built on confidence.

01:02:29.000 And if the American people in a large portion have no confidence in election, we need to restore it.

01:02:34.000 Otherwise, elections stop mattering.

01:02:36.000 We agree. 1.00

01:02:36.000 Undocumented immigrants are not allowed to vote in this country. 1.00

01:02:39.000 Why is it I hear all the time?

01:02:40.000 I also agree people aren't allowed to murder.

01:02:42.000 Well, yeah, but how many undocumented immigrants have been proven that have voted?

01:02:46.000 How many investigations have we had?

01:02:48.000 I mean, if Donald Trump and his.

01:02:51.000 You have to have evidence, though, to prove that somebody undocumented voted.

01:02:55.000 And I'm telling you, I think there were like 24 cases or something like that.

01:02:59.000 How do you get the evidence?

01:03:01.000 Well, if the accusation is because I hear a lot of people on the right constantly talking about, well, the only reason why Democrats want all these undocumented immigrants in this country is so they can take food stamps and welfare and they can vote.

01:03:14.000 And so they can change the government of congressional districts. 0.99

01:03:21.000 Conservatives are led by very dumb people. 1.00

01:03:24.000 I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to single out the Republican Party, but the Republican Party is very dumb. 1.00

01:03:28.000 And they have a lot of people who are ignorant. 1.00

01:03:31.000 I don't want to blanket the conservative voter as stupid. 1.00

01:03:33.000 I think the politicians are evil and stupid. 1.00

01:03:35.000 I think the Democrat politicians are evil and stupid. 1.00

01:03:37.000 The issue is when an illegal immigrant comes into this country, under the Biden administration is a great example. 1.00

01:03:44.000 He was flying them to various cities.

01:03:46.000 In the census, these illegal immigrants cluster around cities, which results in more electoral college votes for Democrats and it results in more congressional seats for Democrats. 0.86

01:03:56.000 Not because they vote, but because they pad the census numbers. 0.84

01:04:00.000 It's estimated that if you were to remove all illegal immigrants, Democrats could lose an estimated four to 12 congressional seats. 0.71

01:04:06.000 So, when you combine redistricting with current redistricting, with census redistricting in 2030, and mass deportations, the swing is expected to be somewhere around between 10 to 20 seats that Democrats will lose.

01:04:22.000 So, one of the mistakes made there's an organization called Third Way, and they say we debunk this.

01:04:27.000 The idea that Democrats get more congressional votes or electoral college votes because of illegal immigrants is wrong.

01:04:34.000 Because Texas is red and they have illegal immigrants, and California is blue and they have illegal immigrants, and that's how you lie to people. 0.89

01:04:41.000 This is the institutional, this is the academic machine of lies. 0.52

01:04:45.000 The reality is, the illegal immigrants in Texas are known to be clustered in Austin and Dallas and Houston, which are urban districts, which doubles the size of the Democrat districts. 0.71

01:04:54.000 So, Democrats are gaining seats because of illegal immigrants in Texas, and they are gaining seats because of illegal immigrants in California.

01:05:01.000 So, to an argument, there's one reason why people shouldn't like the electoral college because Democrats would actually lose a lot.

01:05:07.000 But the point is, conservatives, Republicans come out and they say illegal immigrants are voting. 0.99

01:05:12.000 And this is the stupidest thing because it's not true. 0.99

01:05:15.000 They do vote sometimes, sometimes they get caught. 0.99

01:05:18.000 Sometimes they don't.

01:05:19.000 I don't think millions of illegal immigrants are voting and swinging elections. 1.00

01:05:23.000 But they are giving electoral college votes to Democrats illicitly. 0.66

01:05:23.000 They're not. 0.66

01:05:29.000 Again, I think of a family that has some maybe undocumented people in their family. 0.99

01:05:38.000 I think of the news.

01:05:40.000 I think of, and, you know, do you mean a criminal?

01:05:42.000 Do you think of the chilling?

01:05:43.000 Do I think of the overwhelming majority of ICE agents as bad people that just want to kill people?

01:05:48.000 Of course not.

01:05:49.000 Right.

01:05:50.000 But when you see the images on television and you see what happened to Renee Good and Alex Pretty, there are some people in this country that are very intimidated by those images and those videos.

01:06:01.000 And I could absolutely see some of these people not voting for that reason.

01:06:05.000 This is literally the meme.

01:06:06.000 This is literally the meme.

01:06:07.000 This is, oh no, a crying baby.

01:06:09.000 We can't have a society anymore.

01:06:10.000 Like, this is literally the meme.

01:06:12.000 What are we talking about here?

01:06:13.000 I'm talking about.

01:06:14.000 I'm talking about. 0.63

01:06:15.000 But you're talking about families that have undocumented immigrants being intimidated because they are criminals. 1.00

01:06:21.000 They're not supposed to be here. 1.00

01:06:23.000 And we're incentivizing them to come here by giving them birthright citizenship for their children, which is also a problem. 0.98

01:06:28.000 You're against birthright citizenship?

01:06:29.000 100%.

01:06:29.000 I'm against the current interpretation of it.

01:06:31.000 Really?

01:06:31.000 Because that was the author of the 14th Amendment.

01:06:34.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:06:35.000 The 14th Amendment explicitly said it wouldn't apply to aliens.

01:06:38.000 And so that's not the intention.

01:06:40.000 That is what is been.

01:06:41.000 That's what's been.

01:06:41.000 So do you think everybody should be deported?

01:06:43.000 Let's just.

01:06:43.000 Everyone.

01:06:44.000 All the illegals. 0.99

01:06:45.000 Nobody can be deported. 1.00

01:06:45.000 If it's me, I'm out of here. 1.00

01:06:46.000 Fuck this shit. 1.00

01:06:48.000 I believe it. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Well, first of all, every illegal should be debanked.

01:06:51.000 That's like a great idea.

01:06:51.000 That's the first thing.

01:06:53.000 Yeah, no, that's the.

01:06:53.000 I cannot believe we haven't done that yet.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, so I basically have like a three phase remigration plan. 0.99

01:06:59.000 The first would be illegals, and it's very simple. 0.85

01:07:02.000 You debank, and then ICE can take care of the remainder, which is not very many. 0.80

01:07:05.000 Secondly, first generation migrants, and actually I would extend this to third generation as well, because there's a lot of these communities, like in Minnesota, for example, with the Somalis, right, where you have literally like three or four generations of migrants that are here. 0.92

01:07:19.000 They have not integrated whatsoever.

01:07:20.000 They don't even speak English.

01:07:22.000 They are not American, but they've been here for three generations.

01:07:24.000 What do we do with them? 0.99

01:07:25.000 Well, hang on a second.

01:07:26.000 Hang on a second.

01:07:27.000 Let me land this real quick. 1.00

01:07:28.000 If we strip Them, if we say third generation and newer are not eligible for welfare programs, almost all of them would just leave. 0.99

01:07:35.000 Because the reality is, 53% of first generation migrants, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, 53% as soon as they get here are on a welfare program. 0.93

01:07:44.000 That is insane. 0.98

01:07:45.000 So, we're not only allowing them to come into our countries on these garbage programs that are abused, but then we're paying them to be here, which is absolutely insane. 0.98

01:07:54.000 Oh, here. 0.97

01:07:56.000 Totally agree.

01:07:56.000 When you talk about Somalis, I wanted to ask you a little bit about that because I wanted to get your thoughts on that.

01:08:02.000 Because you wanted to change the subject?

01:08:03.000 No. 0.99

01:08:04.000 He's talking about Somalis.

01:08:05.000 We're talking about immigrants. 1.00

01:08:06.000 We're talking about fraud, right? 1.00

01:08:07.000 In this case, elections.

01:08:09.000 I didn't bring up the fraud, but we can talk about the $9 billion in fraud that they also denaturalize and deport. 0.87

01:08:14.000 So you care about the Somali fraud? 0.62

01:08:17.000 Is that a fair characterization?

01:08:18.000 No, I care about American demographics and American identity.

01:08:21.000 And I care about America First policies that prioritize Americans who are actually American.

01:08:25.000 They actually abide by American values.

01:08:27.000 And they have to.

01:08:28.000 That's happening right now in the Trump administration?

01:08:30.000 No, I think that Trump is doing a poor job of that, actually.

01:08:33.000 I think that he's too pro multiculturalism.

01:08:36.000 The reason why I brought up.

01:08:37.000 The Somalis, the Black people too.

01:08:40.000 He does.

01:08:40.000 He unfurled an LGBT flag.

01:08:41.000 He looks like the, yeah, he parades that around. 0.98

01:08:44.000 I think this is important to talk about the Somali stuff for a moment because I'm against fraud no matter what you look like, where you're from, whether you're an undocumented.

01:08:52.000 I didn't even bring up fraud. 1.00

01:08:54.000 You brought up fraud.

01:08:55.000 I want to talk about demographics.

01:08:57.000 I don't want, but he's not talking about fraud.

01:08:59.000 He was talking about how Somalis, multi generational Somalis in Minnesota, collect welfare benefits.

01:09:05.000 Ilhan Omar explicitly stated they're going to send that money to Somalia and that if you just said, okay, well, you're not eligible for welfare, Up to a certain generation, they would leave.

01:09:15.000 He didn't bring up fraud.

01:09:17.000 This is legitimate welfare that they're.

01:09:20.000 I understand that. 0.96

01:09:20.000 And I'm not going to sit here and defend Ilhan Omar because I think she's a despicable human being. 0.96

01:09:24.000 But with that being said, the reason why I think the Somali, what's going on in Minneapolis is interesting is because I hear so many people on the right that go after Somalis and the Somali fraud. 0.96

01:09:37.000 And I don't know, this person might have stolen $10,000 in welfare from the government, so on and so forth. 0.55

01:09:42.000 What about the over 70 people that have been given pardons that have committed billions of dollars in fraud and don't have to pay back any restitution?

01:09:50.000 I never hear people on the phone.

01:09:51.000 This is literally a deflection, though.

01:09:53.000 Wait, why is it a deflection?

01:09:54.000 It really does.

01:09:55.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:09:56.000 Okay. 1.00

01:09:58.000 We'll wrap them up too with the Somalis and put them on a boat and send them to the island. 1.00

01:10:02.000 Or if they're Americans, they can go to prison. 1.00

01:10:04.000 If they've been here forever, then that's our problem. 0.98

01:10:06.000 Then Trump was wrong to part.

01:10:07.000 Denaturalize them or strip them of their citizenship and send them to the moon.

01:10:11.000 No, no, to Somalia. 0.92

01:10:13.000 Somalia, there you go. 0.99

01:10:14.000 Strip them of their citizenship. 1.00

01:10:15.000 We agree with you. 1.00

01:10:16.000 They can go to Somalia with Ilhan.

01:10:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:19.000 Strip them of their citizens.

01:10:20.000 Well, you could tell Ilhan, I'm not a big fan of hers.

01:10:22.000 But the point is, this isn't about fraud.

01:10:24.000 This is about America last policies that are literally prioritizing foreigners who just got here over Americans who've been here forever, Americans who actually built this country.

01:10:34.000 That's who were prioritized.

01:10:34.000 Is this country founded on immigrants?

01:10:36.000 No, the entire phrase, nation of immigrants, doesn't show up until the 1960s, pushed by the Anti Defamation League in a book that was attributed to JFK, not actually written by him.

01:10:45.000 So that phrase doesn't even show up until the 1960s.

01:10:47.000 Do you think we should make it easier for people to come into this country?

01:10:49.000 Absolutely not.

01:10:50.000 So, 10 to 15 years to become a nationalist.

01:10:53.000 I don't think we should close the border for the indefinite future.

01:10:56.000 Close the border and immigration for two decades.

01:10:59.000 Wow. 1.00

01:10:59.000 At least. 1.00

01:11:00.000 I'm only halfway there between you guys.

01:11:02.000 10?

01:11:03.000 Wow.

01:11:03.000 No, I think.

01:11:05.000 I do think we want immigration. 1.00

01:11:08.000 What we don't want is mass H 1Bs. 1.00

01:11:09.000 We don't want cultural discohesion. 1.00

01:11:10.000 We don't want displacement.

01:11:11.000 We do want hand cherry picked scientists, athletes. 0.84

01:11:15.000 Like, shouldn't those people be making their countries better? 1.00

01:11:18.000 Because we're actually stripping the coal from them, and that turns places like India into a shithole. 1.00

01:11:23.000 I mean. 0.98

01:11:23.000 I got no problem with the United States being the unipolar dominant power by brain draining other countries. 0.98

01:11:28.000 Okay, but why isn't China doing this?

01:11:30.000 Like, why isn't China bringing in all these, you know, scientists?

01:11:33.000 It's called the Thousand Talents Program.

01:11:33.000 They are.

01:11:35.000 They're bringing in Indians. 1.00

01:11:36.000 Well, I probably. 1.00

01:11:38.000 The Thousand Talents, China's recruiting.

01:11:40.000 Well, but you already granted you're against H 1B. 0.70

01:11:42.000 Yeah, it's miserable.

01:11:42.000 You're against H 1B?

01:11:43.000 Yeah, okay.

01:11:43.000 So, what?

01:11:45.000 H 1B is the lie where they try and tell.

01:11:46.000 So, are you familiar with like 01 and 02 visas and things like this?

01:11:50.000 Extraordinary talent, scientists, researchers, business leaders. 0.98

01:11:53.000 H 1B is not.

01:11:54.000 Those things.

01:11:55.000 They claim H 1B is for the people who just, we can't find them to do this job.

01:11:59.000 They're talent.

01:12:00.000 No, Those are O visas. 0.98

01:12:02.000 And there's a bunch of others.

01:12:03.000 There's like Olympic athletes. 0.99

01:12:05.000 I think that's like a K visa. 1.00

01:12:06.000 H 1Bs are, we couldn't find anyone to take the job, so we'll take whoever we can get. 1.00

01:12:11.000 And the trick that these companies use is they're supposed to make a public announcement of the job availability. 0.61

01:12:16.000 If nobody applies, then they're legally allowed to recruit from any other country through H 1B if they, of course, get the, there's a lottery for it.

01:12:23.000 So what they do is they'll buy a tiny little ad in a newspaper. 0.97

01:12:27.000 To satisfy the legal requirement for public notice, then when no one applies for the job, hire a guy at 70% of the standard wage from India and move him here. 0.94

01:12:36.000 It's fraud. 0.96

01:12:37.000 That is fraud across the board.

01:12:38.000 Those are American companies doing it. 0.96

01:12:40.000 And it's worth noting that the H 1Bs are tied to employment. 0.98

01:12:43.000 So the people that actually employ these people basically can treat them like absolute garbage. 0.98

01:12:47.000 Well, that's another thing. 0.96

01:12:48.000 They're paid 20, 30% less.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 And they'd feel like they're paying for it.

01:12:51.000 So you better work on Saturday.

01:12:52.000 It'd be terrible if you lost your job.

01:12:54.000 What are we talking about here?

01:12:55.000 Because that's another thing, too, is like, but don't you agree?

01:12:57.000 Hundreds of thousands per year, maybe?

01:12:59.000 Okay, sure.

01:12:59.000 But don't you agree that, like, we are in a position now where we need to close it at least for now to get things under control?

01:13:05.000 To get our demographics under control.

01:13:05.000 I disagree.

01:13:06.000 I think.

01:13:07.000 I mean, right now we are literally, like, I mean, it.

01:13:10.000 The immigration problem in America right now is even under Trump.

01:13:14.000 But let me, my point is when we stop the general economic migration.

01:13:19.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 So I don't think we should have zero migration, but I think you and I actually probably agree to a great extent.

01:13:25.000 I don't think a working class guy in Guatemala should be able to apply for a work visa to come to the United States at this point because of the issues we've had. 0.94

01:13:32.000 So I have no problem with a general moratorium on economic migration. 0.99

01:13:35.000 But if there's like a dude who's invented a new polymer that's going to revolutionize space travel or something, we got to steal those people.

01:13:43.000 And I understand your point too, because it's a good point that their countries become shitholes because we take the talent from them.

01:13:49.000 I actually am not bothered by the idea that the United States is a shining city on the hill of the best, brightest, wealthiest, and the other countries go down the bell curve of like worse and we're at the top.

01:14:00.000 But what do you mean by better now?

01:14:01.000 You're just talking about like technological development and like GDP going up.

01:14:05.000 Like, what do you mean by better?

01:14:06.000 Because.

01:14:07.000 Well, I'm not concerned about cultural discohesion from like 100,000 people per year into 300 million.

01:14:14.000 But right now, Cultural discohesion is what is exactly, but that's my entire with the moratorium with deportations combined with general economic migration moratorium. 0.95

01:14:14.000 Yeah, I agree with that. 0.95

01:14:26.000 We're reversing that, but I still think we want to leave the door open for legitimate top tier high talent. 0.92

01:14:33.000 Like, if there's a dude in India and his IQ is 210, yeah, and he's like, I'm gonna build the best super semiconductor anyone's ever seen, I have a new invention. 0.99

01:14:40.000 We don't want India to have that, we want it. 1.00

01:14:42.000 I mean, I'm not, I don't want them to beat us in this situation. 0.88

01:14:44.000 I'm not opposed, long term, I'm not opposed to. 1.00

01:14:46.000 Yeah, a couple hundred thousand, you know, migrants a year. 1.00

01:14:49.000 I think that that, I mean, I think that's normal.

01:14:50.000 I think that's healthy for a nation. 0.73

01:14:52.000 But I mean, I think just that right now, right now, because of the little 911 situation we're in with migration, with mass migration, which you agree, I just think we need a blanket. 0.79

01:15:02.000 But again, so like, let's say we do a blanket moratorium, zero immigration. 0.82

01:15:06.000 And then literally some guy in India is like, I've done it. 0.99

01:15:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:09.000 I've discovered a new element.

01:15:10.000 And we're like, shh.

01:15:12.000 I'm willing to take that risk.

01:15:13.000 Come on. 0.95

01:15:13.000 If in return I get my America First policies, we get Americans taken care of and we, Fix our demographics. 0.95

01:15:18.000 Are we doing that now? 0.97

01:15:19.000 That won't happen.

01:15:20.000 So here's the other thing.

01:15:21.000 It's not a one and done thing.

01:15:23.000 The reason why I'm not for just, like, I'm talking like a 90%, you're talking 100%.

01:15:27.000 So Elon's building semiconductor factories.

01:15:31.000 We've outsourced, one of the problems with everything we've done in the past 30 years is outsourcing of a lot of our higher talent jobs.

01:15:38.000 We have Taiwan building most of our semiconductors, which has left us vulnerable to China.

01:15:42.000 We need those here.

01:15:43.000 It's one of the reasons why I think SpaceX is actually going to go way up in value because Elon's talking about building a semiconductor factory, it's called like TerraFab, I think, semiconductor factory in the US.

01:15:52.000 We need to reintegrate top technological talent, engineering, et cetera, which we gave away. 1.00

01:16:00.000 So we have a twofold problem we're bringing in too many Guatemalan farmers. 1.00

01:16:03.000 They can't replace middle managers. 1.00

01:16:05.000 And we've exported a lot of our high tech jobs.

01:16:08.000 You know, like I went to a meeting with an app development company 10 years ago.

01:16:12.000 I had an app that I was working on.

01:16:14.000 Most of their, when we're like, okay, we need to hire some developers, they go, oh, Ukraine. 1.00

01:16:19.000 Just hire Ukrainians in Ukraine, not in America. 0.97

01:16:22.000 Because you got to pay them $60K a year. 0.99

01:16:25.000 You hire Americans, $150. 0.99

01:16:26.000 And that's that. 0.99

01:16:26.000 Well, yeah. 0.99

01:16:27.000 We need policies to be in place to incentivize hiring Americans, bringing manufacturing to America.

01:16:32.000 All these things are part of this.

01:16:34.000 So, to my point, is we import our semiconductors from Taiwan, and there's Taiwanese specialists.

01:16:40.000 That's why we're defending Taiwanese. 0.97

01:16:41.000 In the short term, exactly. 1.00

01:16:42.000 In the short term, we might want to take three or four of their top talent, bring them here to oversee a factory so we can reintegrate.

01:16:47.000 Let's talk about solutions on what we do right now.

01:16:50.000 Yeah.

01:16:51.000 Close the border.

01:16:52.000 So, I understand. 0.99

01:16:53.000 Let's talk about the people that are already here.

01:16:54.000 So, I think the best stats I saw a couple of years ago was that more than 50% of people that are in this country undocumented, and this might have changed, are those that overstay their visas.

01:17:05.000 Yeah.

01:17:05.000 So, here's my.

01:17:06.000 Get them out. 0.80

01:17:07.000 Round them up.

01:17:08.000 So, so, debank.

01:17:08.000 Okay.

01:17:09.000 So, you come from the cloth, which is you committed the misdemeanor. 0.58

01:17:13.000 You're in this country illegally, even if you haven't committed a violent crime in, say, 30 years.

01:17:17.000 You have a family here. 0.94

01:17:18.000 Even if you've never committed a violent crime.

01:17:19.000 It's not even about, it's not even about that.

01:17:21.000 Bro, bro, bro, that's so brilliant.

01:17:22.000 The debanking thing.

01:17:23.000 I never even considered it.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:24.000 Imagine someone comes in for a visa.

01:17:26.000 And like, let's, hold on.

01:17:26.000 Probably.

01:17:27.000 Let's, let's say someone gets like a two year work live visa.

01:17:31.000 When you apply for a bank account, they should attach your visa to the account and say, That's cool.

01:17:35.000 Your bank account has an expiration date.

01:17:37.000 And when it expires, you get mailed a check.

01:17:37.000 Yep.

01:17:39.000 And if you want to know that your bank will leave.

01:17:40.000 When it expires, you have to take that money out and leave.

01:17:44.000 And if you don't, the bank keeps it.

01:17:46.000 And that money goes to the Federal Reserve or to the Treasury.

01:17:49.000 It goes to the Treasury to pay back the debt, right?

01:17:51.000 When accounts get closed, they mail the balance to whatever address is on file.

01:17:55.000 Not for these guys.

01:17:56.000 Well, I don't know.

01:17:57.000 But hold on.

01:17:58.000 The reason why I think it's funny what you're saying, but there are people who would have a visa expire and intend to leave.

01:18:04.000 We can't just seize their money if we want them to leave.

01:18:05.000 They need money to go.

01:18:06.000 You got to put it, well, no, because they know when their visa expires.

01:18:09.000 Right?

01:18:09.000 You've got this, you've got up until this date, you have to get your money out.

01:18:13.000 Then, agreed, there would have to be like a multi notice system where it's like a three month warning.

01:18:18.000 Your account will be shut down.

01:18:18.000 Sure, sure.

01:18:20.000 Sure.

01:18:20.000 I mean, look, man, you get annoying text messages and annoying mailers all the time.

01:18:26.000 You can add those to your account.

01:18:27.000 But what I'm telling you, most of this, the problems would solve themselves.

01:18:30.000 You disagree with that?

01:18:32.000 I mean, it's an interesting theory.

01:18:34.000 Well, because we're not talking about deportation.

01:18:35.000 We're saying your visa is an agreement.

01:18:37.000 You can be here for two years.

01:18:39.000 Why should they be allowed to have an American bank account after that?

01:18:41.000 And then, yeah, they'll just leave.

01:18:43.000 Or have the money shipped to a foreign bank or whatever. 0.99

01:18:45.000 No, send it to the Chinese.

01:18:45.000 And we're saving money on ice.

01:18:46.000 Then we don't need the ice agents anymore.

01:18:48.000 I mean, this solves everything.

01:18:49.000 And you should also make it a huge increase.

01:18:52.000 You need ice for the remainder.

01:18:54.000 You would need.

01:18:55.000 Certainly, ice would be for the anomalies.

01:18:58.000 It would be for the few that didn't leave.

01:19:00.000 I don't think it should be a legal option.

01:19:02.000 This is like.

01:19:03.000 Exactly.

01:19:04.000 You come into the country, we welcome you in.

01:19:06.000 And then when your visa expires, your accounts expire with it.

01:19:11.000 And then you have to refile or leave.

01:19:12.000 Let's talk about that.

01:19:13.000 No, hold on, hold on one second.

01:19:14.000 And also. 0.61

01:19:15.000 I saw that the DOJ is actually going after some people that employ illegals. 1.00

01:19:20.000 Those people should, they should definitely go after employers. 1.00

01:19:23.000 Oh, yeah, literally.

01:19:24.000 They should go after the port town.

01:19:26.000 And also, harshly fined.

01:19:28.000 Absolutely.

01:19:29.000 Probably jail time.

01:19:30.000 The green light.

01:19:30.000 I think they're going to be harsh.

01:19:32.000 And also, anyone that rents to illegals, they should be harsh penalties. 1.00

01:19:36.000 They should be harsh penalties. 1.00

01:19:37.000 100%.

01:19:38.000 Because you're harboring criminals.

01:19:40.000 So they should, this is how you, this is literally any immigration policy.

01:19:46.000 This is how you mitigate the exploitation of.

01:19:50.000 Low cost migrant labor.

01:19:52.000 This is how you mitigate that because you're getting them out in a humane way, right? 0.78

01:19:56.000 So that the economy is not taking advantage of them, which is something that you disagree with.

01:20:01.000 We all agree that's bad.

01:20:02.000 There's no ICE raids.

01:20:04.000 What if we actually create like visa accounts so that it's not a bank?

01:20:10.000 It's actually an account through the government.

01:20:12.000 If you are coming here, so what this says twofold when these workers come here, they can't get paid under the table.

01:20:17.000 I mean, you can, but what you want to do is you want to create an easy path to not.

01:20:22.000 Having that happen. 0.93

01:20:23.000 We don't want illegal workers. 0.95

01:20:25.000 So when you come here with a visa, you get an account attached to it with a bank account so that we can make sure they're paying taxes they're supposed to pay. 1.00

01:20:31.000 They're getting paid the amount of money they're supposed to get paid, not getting ripped off.

01:20:34.000 And then when their visa expires, the account is just gone with it.

01:20:37.000 It's a one whole thing.

01:20:39.000 One of the problems we have is they'll come in and they'll just work under the table.

01:20:42.000 Yep.

01:20:43.000 So how do you get rid of that?

01:20:44.000 Well, you don't get rid of it through punishment because they're already breaking the law.

01:20:49.000 You get rid of it through incentives.

01:20:50.000 How do we stop people stealing music?

01:20:52.000 We made it easier to stream music than to download music.

01:20:55.000 So you make it easier for them to get paid through an account than it is to get paid under the table.

01:20:59.000 Taxes are collected properly.

01:21:01.000 Wages are paid properly, less illegal hiring because it's easier just to use the account.

01:21:05.000 And then when your visa expires, the account is going to be closed.

01:21:07.000 I was talking about harsh penalties for the employers.

01:21:09.000 Oh, great.

01:21:10.000 And the.

01:21:10.000 Yeah, you get caught paying under the table.

01:21:11.000 You get lashes.

01:21:12.000 You think it's humane what they're doing right now?

01:21:15.000 Don't care.

01:21:17.000 You don't care if people are treated like animals?

01:21:19.000 You don't care? 1.00

01:21:20.000 I want people to be dissuaded from coming here illegally, dissuaded from staying. 1.00

01:21:25.000 But that wasn't my question.

01:21:26.000 If it takes some amount of military or a police force to do it, then yes, I'm okay with it.

01:21:33.000 Let me ask you.

01:21:34.000 Do something.

01:21:35.000 So, you said people are being treated like animals?

01:21:35.000 Go ahead.

01:21:39.000 Some are.

01:21:39.000 Some.

01:21:40.000 So, what is the criminal line for when someone can be treated like an animal?

01:21:45.000 Great point.

01:21:46.000 Like a guy walks into a mall and takes a kid.

01:21:46.000 We're all animals.

01:21:49.000 Let's say a black guy walked into a mall, went to the first floor. 0.99

01:21:50.000 First of all, don't break the law if someone's seeking asylum.

01:21:53.000 Don't break the law.

01:21:54.000 Don't deport them.

01:21:55.000 That's illegal. 0.97

01:21:56.000 Let's say a black dude went to a mall, went to the third floor, grabbed a little boy, and chucked him over the edge of the railing. 0.97

01:22:01.000 Can you treat him like an animal? 0.98

01:22:03.000 You could certainly use deadly force to arrest him. 0.84

01:22:06.000 Worse than an animal, then.

01:22:07.000 Yeah.

01:22:08.000 You can't just kill an animal.

01:22:09.000 That's a felony.

01:22:10.000 We're talking about, I'm talking specifically about people that have committed misdemeanors.

01:22:13.000 I'm just going to the extreme end.

01:22:14.000 We're walking back.

01:22:14.000 Right, but I'm not talking about felons or serious, what I would consider violent crime.

01:22:19.000 We're talking about people who have committed misdemeanors.

01:22:22.000 And I think when you send certain people that are nonviolent criminals, say, to an El Salvador prison, treated like animals, I have a problem with that. 1.00

01:22:28.000 They're El Salvadoran.

01:22:29.000 No, not everybody that, no, that's not true.

01:22:31.000 People that were sent over there, a good portion of them were not from that country.

01:22:34.000 Are there examples?

01:22:35.000 Look it up.

01:22:36.000 Look it up.

01:22:37.000 What's the guy from Maryland?

01:22:38.000 I'm forgetting his name.

01:22:39.000 That's actually incorrect.

01:22:41.000 There is no guy from Maryland.

01:22:42.000 He lived in Maryland.

01:22:43.000 He was from El Salvador.

01:22:44.000 I mean, the guy from El Salvador who got sent to El Salvador.

01:22:47.000 They claim that he was in gangs because of his tattoos.

01:22:52.000 Why is it America's responsibility to even ensure that they get back to the country?

01:22:57.000 Because there's something in our costume. 0.99

01:22:59.000 But they came into our country. 1.00

01:23:02.000 Why does it matter? 0.99

01:23:03.000 Why does it matter?

01:23:04.000 Why is it our responsibility?

01:23:05.000 Why does it matter so we can just be inhumane to human beings?

01:23:08.000 Is that your argument? 1.00

01:23:09.000 My argument is why is it America's responsibility to get them back to their home country in the first place? 1.00

01:23:14.000 Place. 0.99

01:23:14.000 Rather than just expel them from our country. 0.99

01:23:17.000 Hold on. 1.00

01:23:17.000 Send them to an El Salvador place. 1.00

01:23:19.000 And away from America. 1.00

01:23:20.000 They came here illegally. 1.00

01:23:21.000 Ryan is correct. 1.00

01:23:22.000 230 Venezuelans were sent to El Salvador. 0.98

01:23:24.000 230?

01:23:25.000 No.

01:23:26.000 Why is it America's responsibility?

01:23:27.000 I don't understand. 1.00

01:23:28.000 So send them to.

01:23:29.000 Hold on.

01:23:30.000 Hold on.

01:23:31.000 Venezuela refused to accept them.

01:23:31.000 Real quick.

01:23:33.000 So they were sent to El Salvador instead.

01:23:35.000 So it's your position that why is it our responsibility?

01:23:39.000 I'm asking.

01:23:40.000 So if you've committed a misdemeanor and you've been in this country for decades and you're a nonviolent criminal, I know you don't care about blood, but I do.

01:23:47.000 None of it matters.

01:23:48.000 Well, to you guys, it doesn't matter.

01:23:48.000 None of that.

01:23:50.000 It doesn't matter because without, if you don't have borders that are actually upheld, then you don't have a country, you don't have a nation.

01:23:56.000 I want to make a few points.

01:23:57.000 Abrego Garcia was adjudicated two times before this as a member of MS 13.

01:24:02.000 It's adjudication.

01:24:02.000 I understand that.

01:24:03.000 That's the process by which we say, okay, that is a thing.

01:24:06.000 60 minutes to the story that I thought was some really good investigating.

01:24:11.000 I believe the stat that I saw was over 60% of the people that were sent to this prison where they were treated like animals.

01:24:17.000 Are nonviolent criminals.

01:24:19.000 I don't care.

01:24:20.000 So if you've committed a misdemeanor, you're okay with. 0.94

01:24:22.000 Bro, it's El Salvador. 0.90

01:24:26.000 If, okay, listen, there's only one issue I'd entertain as an argument, and that is Venezuela refused to accept Venezuelans that were in America, so Trump sent them to El Salvador instead.

01:24:36.000 There is an international issue at that point.

01:24:39.000 But Venezuela refusing to accept their own citizens puts us in a conundrum that there's no good answer for. 0.98

01:24:43.000 I'm not happy with us sending Venezuelans to El Salvador. 0.99

01:24:46.000 But when we send Salvadorans to El Salvador, it is up to the country of El Salvador to deal with their own citizens.

01:24:51.000 If they're treated like animals, that's unfortunate for them in their own country.

01:24:55.000 But I can cite a million other countries that are substantially worse.

01:24:58.000 Like China's. 1.00

01:25:00.000 Raping and forcing abortions on Uighur Muslims, right? 1.00

01:25:04.000 What China does to its own citizens, we are mad about, but we don't intervene. 0.98

01:25:08.000 I mean, I don't just want us to do. 0.91

01:25:10.000 If El Salvador has a law and a prison and we send criminals that are El Salvadoran back to El Salvador, it is up to their country and their jurisdiction to deal with them as per their law.

01:25:19.000 Well, because everybody has to an extent due process, then I don't disagree with you, but that's not what's happening within this administration right now. 0.52

01:25:25.000 And I also talked about people that are seeking asylum coming from a different country. 0.84

01:25:28.000 What due process is necessary for someone who's illegally here? 0.87

01:25:30.000 I got to address this because this is a liberal framing device and I do not appreciate conservatives. 0.99

01:25:35.000 Not understanding what's happening.

01:25:37.000 Due process is not a proper noun.

01:25:40.000 It is a definitional sentence, it is a definitional phrase.

01:25:43.000 Due process literally means the process by which an individual is due under the law and the Constitution.

01:25:48.000 If someone is seeking asylum and they're filling out the proper paperwork and they're going to their court dates and all that, is it illegal for us to deport them?

01:25:56.000 No.

01:25:58.000 Listen, I am not playing this framing device game.

01:26:02.000 If you come to a port of entry and apply for asylum, you may be granted it or temporary protected status.

01:26:08.000 If you enter the country illegally committing a crime and then say, I want asylum, they can deport you.

01:26:14.000 Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about.

01:26:15.000 But we know that there are cases where they are seeking asylum and they're going about it the right way and they're filing the proper paperwork and they're getting arrested right outside of courtrooms.

01:26:25.000 That is illegal.

01:26:26.000 Those are the specific cases that we're talking about individuals who entered illegally and later tried to claim asylum to stay here.

01:26:33.000 The due process in that circumstance, the process by which you are due under the law based on the INA, Codified by Congress, is that an executive branch judge, these are not judiciary, can issue an expedited deportation order regardless of your declaration of refugee or asylum status.

01:26:50.000 If you apply beforehand and are granted TPS, then they cannot because the process you are due is a hearing to confirm.

01:26:58.000 But what I'm trying to tell you is that is also taking place, and you could look that up if you want.

01:27:03.000 And the existence of errors are regretful and should be stopped.

01:27:08.000 It's happening a lot.

01:27:09.000 Can we agree on that?

01:27:10.000 But it's not the majority or the bulk, and it's not the principal issue.

01:27:12.000 I didn't say it was the majority.

01:27:13.000 I never said that.

01:27:14.000 The issue at hand is 90 plus percent of the people who.

01:27:18.000 So during the Biden administration, I think the number was between 90 and 95 of the people claiming asylum did not have legitimate claims.

01:27:25.000 They were crossing the border illegally, being placed under a bridge in Texas, and then CBP officers were being instructed not to ask them their claims, and they're being put on buses, trains, planes, and vans and shipped across the country.

01:27:40.000 They were being asked when they arrived by NGOs what their asylum claims were.

01:27:40.000 Then.

01:27:45.000 Then they were gone, and the asylum claims were determined to be at a high rate to be like false or incorrect claims, and they were already gone.

01:27:54.000 So, what the Biden administration then did was they just erased the cases.

01:28:00.000 So, where these people were supposed to go to court to follow up on the claims they had made, they became de facto second class citizens in the United States because they were here illegally, but they no longer had pending action under asylum claims.

01:28:14.000 It's insanity. 0.90

01:28:15.000 Deport all of these people and do not let people illegally enter the country. 1.00

01:28:19.000 And if they overstay their visas, deport. 0.99

01:28:21.000 Everybody that's undocumented in this country right now, regardless whether you have any other criminal record or broke any other law other than committing a misdemeanor, coming into this country illegally, could be 50 years old. 0.97

01:28:31.000 If you're asking, imagine five years old. 1.00

01:28:32.000 They all should be deported. 0.99

01:28:33.000 Real quick.

01:28:35.000 If you've got a problem with the law, you can change it.

01:28:37.000 Okay.

01:28:38.000 Well, yeah.

01:28:38.000 Also, imagine what I was just talking about with you is the Trump administration breaking the law, right?

01:28:43.000 And even, well, I just told you there are specific examples of people that filled out the proper paperwork, that have done it the proper way.

01:28:50.000 They need to be deported.

01:28:52.000 And when errors happen, because they happen in every system, they're regrettable, they should be stopped.

01:28:56.000 You agree that that's also wrong.

01:28:58.000 You and I agree that if a person filed legitimate, silly paperwork at a port of entry, came in with protected status and were deported, we do have a problem.

01:29:06.000 Agreed.

01:29:07.000 The issue is we hear from liberals all the time this phrase due process, and conservatives who've not looked up the Constitution or understand what the phrase means think there's a proper noun that due process means a jury trial or a.

01:29:18.000 No, I don't think that.

01:29:20.000 Due process means the process you are due under the law.

01:29:22.000 Right.

01:29:22.000 Which means as a.

01:29:24.000 If you illegally cross the border and a CBP agent or ICE agent sees you, the process you are due is for them to apprehend you and drive you back across the border.

01:29:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:33.000 I don't think that everyone that's here legally should be deported.

01:29:36.000 I think there's prosecutorial discretion and sometimes ripping societies apart for the sake of the law actually destroys your society.

01:29:42.000 Not all law is good.

01:29:44.000 So there are times like, you've been here 10 years, you have kids here, they are not priority to deport, in my opinion.

01:29:50.000 But that incentivizes it, though.

01:29:52.000 Then people see that they're like, oh, so if we can just last 10 years, we just have to make it 10 years and then they'll let us stay.

01:29:57.000 So, anytime you implement policies like that officially, that incentivizes more illegal migration.

01:30:01.000 It's not official.

01:30:02.000 It would be not on the books.

01:30:03.000 You still can get deported if you've been here 80 years.

01:30:05.000 Okay, but realistically, you deprioritize the prosecutions of people that have been here for 30 years.

01:30:11.000 Let me tell you guys a story a story that I've told a million times to this audience, and they're going to hear it again, but it's for you now.

01:30:16.000 I got hostile environment training.

01:30:17.000 Everybody wants to.

01:30:18.000 Every young journalist wishes they can go to a heat session.

01:30:21.000 And in it, we were told that for most of us in the training, we were Americans, but there are some people who are not.

01:30:29.000 The final training scenario we did was that we were going to interview a terrorist.

01:30:36.000 They put us in SUVs.

01:30:37.000 We drive to the terrorist HQ.

01:30:39.000 And then, right when we get out, they scream and run up with masks and AKs and kidnap us.

01:30:43.000 They bring us to a warehouse.

01:30:44.000 We can't see anything.

01:30:45.000 We have bags over our heads and we stood there for hours.

01:30:47.000 It's actually kind of fun.

01:30:48.000 Then they put us to a room and interrogated us.

01:30:50.000 There's like a low light, like in the movies, and there's three guys in front of you and they're like banging the table.

01:30:54.000 I had a lot of fun doing it.

01:30:56.000 Then they put you back against the wall.

01:30:58.000 And after about like three hours in total, you hear.

01:31:01.000 Flash bangs, you hear doors kick open, you hear screaming on the ground, on the ground, nobody move.

01:31:08.000 And dudes come in, tactical gear and guns.

01:31:11.000 They put the scenario terrorists on the ground, everybody stands there.

01:31:15.000 Then they march us all outside, take all our masks, and they explain to us if you are American and you are kidnapped, do as you have done, that you will be rescued.

01:31:29.000 Special forces will be dispatched and they will massacre everyone.

01:31:33.000 The United States does not negotiate with kidnappers or terrorists. 0.73

01:31:37.000 However, if you are European, particularly if you are German or Spanish, you need to avoid these areas.

01:31:45.000 The governments of Spain and Germany notoriously pay any amount to rescue their citizens, so you are high targets.

01:31:53.000 If you go to the Middle East to do journalism, they will seek you out and they will kidnap you.

01:31:58.000 If you are Americans, they will be afraid to.

01:32:01.000 There are stories that I've heard, and they explained because these guys were former special forces.

01:32:07.000 Am I six British and things like that?

01:32:09.000 And they were like, yeah, what happens is if they kidnap an American in the middle of the night, a helicopter is heard overhead, dudes drop down with night vision and kill every one of the kidnappers.

01:32:18.000 So, my point, real quick, is this.

01:32:19.000 The reason I bring this up is that the United States has maintained the doctrine that you do not negotiate because it will incentivize.

01:32:25.000 If we say, as you were just pointing out, if you last a certain amount of time, you can make it, then they go, here's our plan.

01:32:33.000 We're going to hide and we're going to be squatters and we're also going to falsify documents claiming.

01:32:37.000 Yeah, but you don't, that's why I said you don't make it legal.

01:32:40.000 You just say, hey, if you're here illegally, you're going to get deported.

01:32:43.000 But then realistically behind the scenes, you're like, we're not going to, we're going to get deported.

01:32:46.000 And then what happens is it's reflected in enforcement and the cartels go, here's your 10 year forged document.

01:32:51.000 Once you get to Omaha, claim you've been there for 10 years and they can't remove you from there.

01:32:55.000 So we'll take them out.

01:32:56.000 And I disagree with some of what you guys are saying, but I want to ask you a question.

01:33:01.000 Because you had said something to me earlier off the air, which I completely disagree with.

01:33:01.000 Sure.

01:33:05.000 You have a disdain for Muslims. 0.99

01:33:07.000 And you believe, even if you're a legal immigrant, you believe all Muslims should be deported. 1.00

01:33:14.000 Is that correct? 1.00

01:33:15.000 Muslims that are consistent with their religion, yes.

01:33:17.000 What does that mean?

01:33:19.000 Because Sahih al Bukhari, 6922, which is a Hadith. 0.98

01:33:23.000 A Sahih hadith, it's authoritative to all Sunni Muslims, states that they have to kill all apostates. 0.95

01:33:30.000 So that means that they are held to the doctrine that if a, let's say, a 20 year old Muslim girl converts to Christianity, they believe, if in power, that she should be stoned. 0.92

01:33:40.000 How do we police that?

01:33:41.000 Because not all Muslims think that, by the way. 0.99

01:33:43.000 So how do we police something like that? 1.00

01:33:44.000 They can live contrary.

01:33:45.000 They can live contrary to their religion, yes. 0.98

01:33:48.000 But they have to be living contrary to their religion. 1.00

01:33:50.000 Well, all Muslims shouldn't be deported then. 1.00

01:33:51.000 It's a case by case basis, and you question them on whether they believe in it. 1.00

01:33:56.000 I'm saying that Islam in general as a religion is not compatible with America. 0.94

01:34:00.000 And so, therefore, if someone is actually abiding by the doctrines of Islam, then they're incompatible with America. 0.99

01:34:08.000 So, it's a moral high ground that you're taking. 1.00

01:34:10.000 You think all Muslims. 0.98

01:34:11.000 Yeah, because America is a Christian nation.

01:34:13.000 So, yeah. 0.67

01:34:13.000 Well, that's your opinion. 0.67

01:34:14.000 No, it's not my opinion.

01:34:15.000 It's in the state constitutions.

01:34:16.000 Okay.

01:34:16.000 Well, 11 out of the 13 states.

01:34:17.000 So, what does that mean?

01:34:18.000 If I'm not Christian, do I have to believe by Christian culture?

01:34:20.000 You have to abide by the Christian culture of the country that you're in.

01:34:23.000 Well, technically, you have to abide by the law.

01:34:23.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 And I think that would establish a religion.

01:34:27.000 And the law is. 1.00

01:34:28.000 Informed by a Christian. 0.99

01:34:29.000 No, pre crime, if you have to deport people based on what you think they might do, that's a slap.

01:34:33.000 So, how do we police that?

01:34:35.000 So, explain to me this. 0.99

01:34:36.000 If you're a Muslim living in the United States of America and we're going by your standards, which obviously I disagree with, how do we police whether Muslims have this belief system or not? 0.88

01:34:46.000 Because, as you know, every human being is different. 1.00

01:34:49.000 Oh, a lot of them actually do it different. 1.00

01:34:49.000 Every Muslim. 1.00

01:34:50.000 Every Christian is different. 1.00

01:34:51.000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of them do it different. 1.00

01:34:52.000 Tell me.

01:34:52.000 So, how do we police it?

01:34:53.000 I mean, I think that you could easily question Muslims. 1.00

01:34:53.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:34:56.000 Hey, do you think that if.

01:34:58.000 Yeah, sure.

01:34:59.000 Law enforcement.

01:34:59.000 There's nothing wrong with this.

01:35:01.000 Right.

01:35:02.000 I'm just saying, as a concept. 0.99

01:35:03.000 And I'm asking you, we go door to door and just question Muslims. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Do you believe this? 1.00

01:35:08.000 This is already downstream from the completion of the remigration plan that I already laid out.

01:35:12.000 And the final layer of it, which I haven't gotten to yet, was crime. 0.66

01:35:16.000 So I believe in a prorated system of crime. 0.81

01:35:19.000 So basically, if you're third generation and you commit a violent crime or at least $100,000 in debt or in fraud, you should be automatically deported. 0.95

01:35:27.000 What if you're an atheist? 0.56

01:35:28.000 If you don't believe in God?

01:35:29.000 Hey, can you let me finish?

01:35:30.000 All right, go ahead.

01:35:32.000 Can't hold office.

01:35:34.000 Yeah, well, since in state constitutions.

01:35:36.000 So, anyways, so third generation, 100,000 in fraud or violent crime, automatic deportation.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 Second generation, any felony, automatic deportation. 0.98

01:35:46.000 First generation, I believe if you commit any crime, automatic deportation. 1.00

01:35:50.000 So, basically, that's going to already get rid of a lot of these migrants. 1.00

01:35:54.000 Then you can start to deal with these people that, yeah, are incompatible with American culture. 1.00

01:36:00.000 Do you believe it's compatible? 0.97

01:36:01.000 If someone, if a Muslim says, yes, I believe a 20 year old girl who converts from Islam, To Christianity, she should be stoned to death because she's publicly proclaimed the name of Christ. 0.99

01:36:11.000 Do you think that that person should be able to live in America? 1.00

01:36:13.000 I think it should.

01:36:14.000 And gain power in America.

01:36:15.000 There's a lot of people that live in America that have some really awful beliefs.

01:36:19.000 But just because you believe something doesn't mean you're going to do it.

01:36:22.000 So you think that that is compatible with American culture?

01:36:25.000 Whether somebody's compatible with American culture or not is not the point.

01:36:28.000 You're asking me a question about should you be deported if you have a belief that you disagree with?

01:36:33.000 And I say, absolutely not.

01:36:35.000 Okay, well, I say so.

01:36:35.000 Absolutely.

01:36:36.000 I say that that is incompatible with American culture.

01:36:40.000 We don't stone people here in America.

01:36:42.000 You can go back to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

01:36:44.000 No, no, no, no.

01:36:44.000 We don't do that here.

01:36:45.000 Okay.

01:36:46.000 Here, we don't stone people.

01:36:47.000 The act of doing it is different than believing it.

01:36:49.000 Okay, but if they're admitting, if they're admitting when we take power, we're going to do this to you, then I don't want you in my country.

01:36:56.000 That should not be controversial. 0.70

01:36:58.000 To me, that's not a reasonable thing to say that you think that just because a Muslim person might have a radical.

01:37:03.000 And by the way, not all Muslims believe in that stuff, okay?

01:37:06.000 They do, but the hadith for all Sunni Islam, hadith, Sahih hadith, is authoritative to them.

01:37:12.000 I don't know. 0.97

01:37:13.000 Your friends from Iron Gaines don't think that.

01:37:15.000 I want to read a really funny.

01:37:16.000 Are you able to read that?

01:37:17.000 Is it too far away?

01:37:19.000 We need more.

01:37:19.000 I might be too far away, right?

01:37:21.000 Let me zoom in, make it as big as I can.

01:37:23.000 What is this?

01:37:24.000 I might know what it is.

01:37:24.000 What is this?

01:37:26.000 Where was it?

01:37:27.000 I just want you to read the Hadith.

01:37:29.000 This is Joseph's story.

01:37:31.000 His story's commentary on the amendments?

01:37:33.000 Nope.

01:37:34.000 Oh, okay.

01:37:35.000 You can read that line.

01:37:35.000 Is it?

01:37:36.000 Or is this one of the constitutions in the state constitution?

01:37:38.000 Just read the line.

01:37:40.000 That as it is.

01:37:42.000 That it is the duty of every man to worship God in such a manner he thinks most acceptable to him.

01:37:45.000 All persons professing the Christian religion are equally entitled to protection in their religion.

01:37:49.000 This might be.

01:37:49.000 The Supreme Court case?

01:37:51.000 This is the Constitution, the original 7076 Constitution of Maryland, which states all those professing a Christian religion are equally entitled to protection in their liberties.

01:37:59.000 The point being, it's just one example.

01:38:01.000 It goes on to say general equal tax in support of the Christian religion.

01:38:05.000 The original state constitutions were like, they had, what were they called?

01:38:09.000 Like faith tests or whatever?

01:38:11.000 In order to hold office, you had to publicly pronounce a faith in the Christian God.

01:38:14.000 Here's what I don't like. 0.97

01:38:19.000 Virginia was one of the.

01:38:22.000 He's one of the first Supreme Court justices to give a commentary on the amendments.

01:38:27.000 He was Supreme Court Justice in the early 1800s, and he gave this commentary on the First Amendment.

01:38:32.000 He said, The real object of the amendment was not to countenance, much less advance Islam or Judaism or infidelity by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment.

01:38:49.000 So, the point of the First Amendment, according to the early founding fathers, was not.

01:38:54.000 To allow for things like Islam that are incompatible. 0.62

01:38:58.000 No, it was for Christian unity. 0.95

01:39:00.000 Blasphemy was a crime.

01:39:01.000 There are currently blasphemy laws on the books.

01:39:04.000 Indeed, the last Supreme Court ruling, I think it was the 50s.

01:39:06.000 If you went outside in 1790 and said Christ is not king, they could arrest you, criminally charge you, or exile you.

01:39:14.000 So, what about atheism?

01:39:15.000 What about people in this country that blasphemy?

01:39:17.000 Again, you have to abide by the culture of the nation that you are living in.

01:39:21.000 So, that means you have to respect, you can't be out, you know, You know, screaming, you know, that Christ is talking about how Christ is like burning in.

01:39:30.000 Okay, I don't want to get into that.

01:39:33.000 Well, I'll give you an example.

01:39:35.000 I'll give you an example.

01:39:36.000 You can go to Saudi Arabia, but you cannot insult the prophet.

01:39:40.000 You will.

01:39:41.000 Yeah, North Korea, obviously, you can't take down a poster.

01:39:43.000 We know what happened to Otto Warmbier. 1.00

01:39:45.000 The United States is the most lax and respectful of non Christian religions. 0.99

01:39:50.000 His point is just that as a nation founded under Christian moral ethics, people who are non Christians should be deferential to Christian moral ethics. 1.00

01:39:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:39:59.000 Maybe back in the day before they spoke English, because like Muslims in the 1700s were like foreign as, like now they're our neighbors. 1.00

01:40:06.000 So I understand radical ideology. 0.99

01:40:08.000 It's not radical though.

01:40:09.000 If someone says, I'm going to be a Muslim, please act if I get what is radical.

01:40:13.000 What I do is I talk to these, I literally do live streams where I talk to these guys and I have teenagers.

01:40:18.000 I have teenagers that call in.

01:40:19.000 I have middle aged people that call in.

01:40:22.000 That is offensive.

01:40:23.000 Most of them, 80% of them.

01:40:24.000 Let me tell you a story.

01:40:25.000 You're going to love this one. 0.90

01:40:26.000 In 2012, I think it might have been, or 2013, YouTube invited me to a special meeting in California to deal with Islamic extremism. 0.99

01:40:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:35.000 They said that one of the problems they had was that, particularly in the UK, but in the United States as well, these accounts were popping up of English born and English speaking Muslims.

01:40:44.000 Trying to radicalize young Muslims to go fight for ISIS.

01:40:48.000 And they were saying it's become such a problem.

01:40:50.000 We see these stories of people in America, the UK, and other countries going to the Middle East to join ISIS.

01:40:57.000 How do we stop it?

01:40:58.000 The issue they found was that the general beliefs of Muslims in the United States, in the West, was one for one compatible with ISIS.

01:41:10.000 The lacking issue was a motivation to fight.

01:41:12.000 These videos were coming out again. 0.98

01:41:14.000 English speakers from the UK with like a British accent saying, Are you really, mate, gonna stand by while these people are blah, blah, blah? 0.83

01:41:23.000 We gotta have the caliphate and you know it. 0.91

01:41:25.000 And they were like, It's working.

01:41:26.000 How do we stop it? 0.98

01:41:27.000 So a bunch of people were brought in to talk with YouTube on what were potential solutions for stopping Islamic extremism. 0.98

01:41:36.000 And I think they were all miserably bad. 1.00

01:41:38.000 One of them, like, everybody entertained. 1.00

01:41:41.000 There was one guy, he was an American Muslim, and he had the only solution, I think. 1.00

01:41:45.000 But everybody's solution was like, You need to make videos where you explain to these young Muslims why that's wrong, actually, and you don't want to join the caliphate. 0.97

01:41:53.000 And I'm sitting here being like, the problem they've identified is that the religious view of ISIS is one for one with the religious view of the Muslims in these countries. 0.57

01:42:05.000 What the problem is is that these videos are motivating them to go and fight on behalf of it. 0.55

01:42:10.000 The only solution that I respected was a guy who said, You need to make a sitcom where the family is Muslim. 0.98

01:42:17.000 And they don't do Muslim things.

01:42:21.000 So it's a family that is a regular American family where the dad has a regular job. 0.94

01:42:26.000 They say things that sometimes passively reference that they're Muslim, but they don't espouse these values.

01:42:31.000 That way, young Muslims in America integrate with what it means to be American. 1.00

01:42:36.000 And I was like, he's the only one who's right. 1.00

01:42:37.000 There are exceptions. 1.00

01:42:38.000 That's not really Muslim, then. 1.00

01:42:39.000 That's the point. 1.00

01:42:40.000 He's basically telling them.

01:42:41.000 Well, he was telling them to Americanize.

01:42:42.000 Well, he was telling them to Americanize. 0.98

01:42:43.000 There are Christians that aren't really Christian. 1.00

01:42:46.000 Yeah, what about the Muslims? 0.97

01:42:48.000 The difference is one is abiding by their book and the other is not abiding by their book. 0.98

01:42:52.000 That's the entire thing.

01:42:53.000 I think like 98% of Americans aren't really Christian.

01:42:56.000 They don't espouse the virtues of Jesus.

01:42:57.000 Well, not even say they do.

01:42:58.000 Culturally, I would say the vast majority of them are.

01:43:01.000 Like, they abide by the basic Christian ethics.

01:43:02.000 What do you mean, basic, though?

01:43:03.000 I don't know what that means.

01:43:05.000 I come from the Christian world.

01:43:05.000 Basic ethics.

01:43:07.000 I don't think Jesus is fucking Lord. 0.99

01:43:09.000 Like, what are you talking about? 0.99

01:43:10.000 How would anyone even know that?

01:43:12.000 Everyone in this room is only capable of having this conversation because you all abide by Christian morals.

01:43:16.000 Morals, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm a Christian.

01:43:18.000 I'm not a Christian.

01:43:18.000 I don't identify as a Christian.

01:43:19.000 I'm culturally a Christian.

01:43:20.000 That's the point. 0.97

01:43:20.000 I'm culturally, I'm manipulated by Christianity, yes, and I've been. 0.97

01:43:24.000 Born and bred through it, but I am not a self-identifying Christian. 0.96

01:43:27.000 What do you mean, manipulate? 0.98

01:43:28.000 I was told, like, this is good.

01:43:29.000 You've benefited from it.

01:43:29.000 You want to.

01:43:31.000 I have, yes.

01:43:33.000 Which would you prefer?

01:43:35.000 Is it better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer?

01:43:39.000 Or can I ask the question?

01:43:41.000 How about you?

01:43:42.000 You know my answer.

01:43:43.000 No, because I didn't finish the question.

01:43:45.000 Okay, what's your question?

01:43:46.000 I'm in the middle of talking.

01:43:47.000 You want to stop me to ask me a question, bro?

01:43:49.000 I was talking.

01:43:50.000 Three people are talking.

01:43:51.000 You stopped your sentence.

01:43:52.000 I started talking and you jumped in front of me and answered it.

01:43:54.000 Okay, I'll ask Brian instead.

01:43:56.000 Yeah, here we go.

01:43:56.000 I have a question for you.

01:43:58.000 I love having you guys argue.

01:43:59.000 Which do you prefer?

01:44:01.000 Is it better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer?

01:44:04.000 Or is it better that 10 innocent persons suffer than one guilty person escape?

01:44:09.000 Well, obviously, define what you mean by escape.

01:44:12.000 What do you mean by escape? 0.96

01:44:15.000 Literal escape, run away, they're gone.

01:44:17.000 Well, obviously, I don't want anybody to suffer.

01:44:19.000 So obviously, I wouldn't want 10 people to suffer.

01:44:21.000 So is it better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer?

01:44:25.000 Or 10 innocent persons suffer to prevent one guilty from escaping?

01:44:30.000 That's a really tough question.

01:44:36.000 I don't know.

01:44:37.000 It's a hard question for me to answer, Tim.

01:44:38.000 I don't know.

01:44:43.000 I don't know.

01:44:43.000 You got me speechless here.

01:44:44.000 I don't know how to answer that.

01:44:45.000 It's a very difficult dilemma to be in.

01:44:51.000 If that person escapes, how many people are going to suffer?

01:44:54.000 Who knows?

01:44:55.000 That's the question, right?

01:44:56.000 So the point is the Christian moral ethic is it is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

01:45:03.000 And the founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin, particularly expounded upon this by saying it's better that 100 guilty persons escape.

01:45:09.000 Than one innocent person suffer.

01:45:11.000 And it is of communists and dictators historically, and notably Otto von Bismarck, who said it's better that 10 innocent people suffer than one guilty escape.

01:45:20.000 And so there's a reason why that doesn't work, and there's a reason why the Soviet Union only lasted 69 years.

01:45:26.000 And this is a Christian moral ethic founded in Blackstone.

01:45:29.000 It's called Blackstone's Formulation.

01:45:31.000 And Blackstone wrote about this.

01:45:33.000 His concept is a summation of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

01:45:39.000 I will not destroy these towns.

01:45:42.000 The founding fathers contemplated this.

01:45:44.000 And again, the Bill of Rights, the laws, they're all founded in Christian moral ethics.

01:45:49.000 The founding fathers talked about it and they said, it's an interesting point, but you made the point.

01:45:54.000 If 10 guilty persons escape, how many innocent people are going to suffer?

01:45:58.000 So you might get substantially more suffering, right? 0.97

01:46:01.000 And so Benjamin Franklin and a bunch of smart ass mugs are like, you know, how about this? 1.00

01:46:06.000 Everybody can have guns, okay? 0.98

01:46:08.000 And you will take responsibility if these guilty persons come at you.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:12.000 We will not be the ones to torture innocent people.

01:46:16.000 And the logic was written down and it's brilliant.

01:46:19.000 A society that tells the innocent you'll be punished regardless is a society that ends up in lawlessness and corruption out of fear that even if you're a good person, they will destroy you.

01:46:29.000 A society that tells people we will do everything in our power to preserve the innocent and your rights, even among those who may be guilty, is a society where individuals seek to be as noble as they can be, knowing that the government will work.

01:46:44.000 Tirelessly to prove it.

01:46:45.000 Do you believe in the separation between church and state?

01:46:47.000 I don't believe there's such a thing.

01:46:49.000 Well, I do.

01:46:50.000 No, I don't.

01:46:51.000 The founding fathers didn't believe in it.

01:46:53.000 The founding fathers also believe in it.

01:46:53.000 There's no such thing.

01:46:55.000 By the establishing human beings.

01:46:56.000 So, I mean, you know.

01:46:57.000 Okay, but wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:46:58.000 If you're talking about the founding documents and the principles brought forward, separation of church and state was not a thing.

01:47:03.000 And it's not been a thing in literally any other time.

01:47:05.000 No, but I'm asking you now your belief on that. 0.99

01:47:08.000 I don't want policy to be designed by your religion.

01:47:10.000 It is. 0.54

01:47:11.000 I will say that it depends on the religion. 0.83

01:47:12.000 It is not possible to separate government from religion.

01:47:16.000 Religion is moral philosophy and ideology.

01:47:19.000 And if you take out Christian moral ethics, you'll get some other moral ethic guiding your law. 0.65

01:47:24.000 I would prefer the Bill of Rights, Blackstone's formulation, which are founded in Christian moral ethics, over, say, Chinese communists. 0.83

01:47:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:32.000 But here's my problem, part of my problem with his argument in that, yes, of course, radical Islam, dangerous, it's all bad. 1.00

01:47:40.000 I get all that, okay? 0.99

01:47:41.000 But there are not, every single Muslim doesn't believe in stoning people, okay?

01:47:47.000 There are Muslims in this country, majority do.

01:47:49.000 Pew Research.

01:47:49.000 Okay, then polls.

01:47:50.000 It's the majority of Muslims.

01:47:52.000 You can say that the majority knew.

01:47:53.000 It's Pew Research.

01:47:54.000 But how many people were polled?

01:47:56.000 Yeah.

01:47:57.000 You could take it up with the poll.

01:47:57.000 It's Pew Research.

01:47:58.000 You said that three times.

01:47:59.000 How many people were polled?

01:48:01.000 There were many different polls.

01:48:02.000 We'd have to pull up the actual specific poll.

01:48:03.000 Okay, okay.

01:48:03.000 Show me one.

01:48:04.000 Okay, yeah.

01:48:05.000 Is there radical Christians in the church?

01:48:06.000 There's no apostasy laws.

01:48:07.000 Are there radical Christians in the church?

01:48:09.000 Not that believe in stoning.

01:48:10.000 Yeah, really?

01:48:11.000 Not that believe in stoning.

01:48:12.000 And what are they?

01:48:13.000 Commit murder? 0.73

01:48:13.000 Well, radical Christians instantiated the hunting down of apostates for a thousand years. 0.73

01:48:18.000 Radical religion in general is. 0.72

01:48:20.000 What are you talking about?

01:48:21.000 When the Catholic Church went and did the.

01:48:23.000 You're talking about the Spanish Inquisition?

01:48:24.000 The Inquisition.

01:48:25.000 38,000 Muslims.

01:48:27.000 So they pulled 38,000 out of how many?

01:48:29.000 38,000 Muslims, 80 different languages in 39 countries.

01:48:33.000 Whoa! 0.97

01:48:33.000 That's crazy. 0.97

01:48:34.000 That's global.

01:48:34.000 That's not a U.S. population.

01:48:35.000 What was the percentage for apostasy laws in favor?

01:48:38.000 So let me.

01:48:38.000 Uh.

01:48:40.000 I'm right.

01:48:41.000 So I've got the puke.

01:48:42.000 Well, you're looking at the point that I was trying to make is that there are radicals in every religion.

01:48:48.000 The point is, the point that he's making.

01:48:50.000 Wait, hold on.

01:48:51.000 Hold on. 1.00

01:48:53.000 None of them support women's rights.

01:48:55.000 Ryan, the point that he's making. 0.70

01:48:57.000 So they're all Myron Gaines.

01:48:58.000 That's what you're talking about.

01:48:59.000 Why are you doing this?

01:49:00.000 It's like that.

01:49:00.000 The point that he's making.

01:49:02.000 Or Myron, I'm okay with that.

01:49:03.000 Ryan, the point that everyone is making is it's not radical Muslims.

01:49:08.000 That is the.

01:49:09.000 General opinion. 0.95

01:49:10.000 No, Ben said that it was American Muslims were mostly radical.

01:49:13.000 Then he pulled a global poll.

01:49:15.000 That's not an American poll.

01:49:16.000 The point that we're making is that the apostasy laws were Muslims in general.

01:49:20.000 I wasn't talking just about American Muslims. 1.00

01:49:22.000 And by the way, a lot of them, when they're here, of course, are going to lie. 1.00

01:49:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:25.000 That's actually built into their doctrine.

01:49:27.000 So that's also another problem we have to figure out how to fix. 1.00

01:49:30.000 But listen, the reality is, out of the top 10 global terrorist index organizations, terrorist organizations in the world, they're all Muslim. 0.97

01:49:38.000 They're not Christian. 0.99

01:49:39.000 So, you could talk about anomalies in Christianity, but that's what they are. 1.00

01:49:42.000 They're anomalies. 0.80

01:49:43.000 They're outliers.

01:49:44.000 They are extremely rare. 0.98

01:49:46.000 You got to see that the Muslims consider the Christians terrorists. 0.98

01:49:48.000 They think the Americans are the terrorists. 1.00

01:49:50.000 That's great. 1.00

01:49:50.000 They can do that over in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia and the UAE. 1.00

01:49:54.000 We got our countries over here, and they should stay out of them.

01:49:56.000 Like calling them terrorists because they're the bad guys in your perspective. 0.94

01:49:59.000 They're terrorists because they want to stone people. 0.94

01:50:01.000 They all hate suicide bombings, though. 0.96

01:50:03.000 They overwhelmingly in every country reject suicide bombings.

01:50:07.000 That's a good thing.

01:50:08.000 I'll make it go.

01:50:09.000 We got to get questions.

01:50:10.000 We got questions.

01:50:11.000 I got to get these questions in.

01:50:12.000 So let's start here with our good friend, SWCPT.

01:50:16.000 Question for Brian If laws are derived from the consent of the governed, and the governed cannot change the laws, do those laws need to be followed?

01:50:24.000 Because Brian keeps deriving his argument from the idea that misdemeanors are not a deportable offense, but we know that most Americans want illegal immigration.

01:50:31.000 I never said that.

01:50:31.000 I never said that misdemeanors are not.

01:50:32.000 Let me just finish.

01:50:33.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:50:34.000 So either Brian actually believes objective truth exists embodied in the law, and government is derived from that, or he believes that people's feelings about each other is the basis of government, and all we can do is give feelings legal weight for a time till it changes.

01:50:47.000 Yeah, so this person has did not characterize my opinions correctly.

01:50:51.000 Shocker.

01:50:52.000 I never said that misdemeanors are not a deportable offense.

01:50:55.000 What I did say is, I think, and what my opinion is on that is, I think there are better ways as a society we can handle these people.

01:51:02.000 No, I do not believe that if you committed a misdemeanor, I think the best way to handle it, I'm understanding that, yes, that's the law, right?

01:51:09.000 I don't think the best way to handle this is just to deport everybody.

01:51:12.000 I think it should be a case by case basis.

01:51:14.000 Obviously, most of the country agrees with me that if you're a violent criminal that is in this country illegally, Absolutely, you should be deported.

01:51:21.000 And yes, I do believe Democrats, whether it's Tim Waltz or Mayor Frey, whoever it may be, yes, they should be working with ICE.

01:51:27.000 I don't have a problem with that. 0.66

01:51:28.000 That if you have people that are in jail that have committed violent crimes that are undocumented immigrants, yes, they should be deported. 1.00

01:51:34.000 But I also think there are better ways as a society that we can do this. 0.99

01:51:38.000 I think pathway to citizenship should be easier for people that have been in this country that haven't committed violent crimes, pay a penalty.

01:51:44.000 I also have always believed in the fact that if you're in this country, And you're not, you know, you've committed that misdemeanor, you've committed a crime.

01:51:54.000 Listen, five, 10, 15 years to become a legal citizen, I absolutely believe that's insane, okay?

01:52:00.000 We need to make it easier, in my personal opinion, for people that want to come into this country the right way and they want to do things the right way.

01:52:08.000 They're not bad people.

01:52:10.000 I believe it shouldn't take 15 years.

01:52:12.000 And the bottom line is there's one party in this country that wants to make it more difficult for people to come to this country legally.

01:52:19.000 And then there's another party that wants to make it easier.

01:52:21.000 Yes, I think there are better ways about it.

01:52:23.000 Well, it's an extreme.

01:52:25.000 There's either porous border, everybody comes, or it's like we shut down the border and nobody comes at all.

01:52:30.000 I think there has To be some sort of medium there where we need to come to a consensus.

01:52:34.000 And that's not happening right now.

01:52:35.000 It seems like there's extremes on one side or the other.

01:52:38.000 I'm not saying our borders need to be wide open.

01:52:40.000 I think Joe Biden did a horrible job.

01:52:42.000 I think George W. Bush did a horrible job.

01:52:44.000 I think a lot of presidents.

01:52:45.000 You know, wait, wait, wait.

01:52:46.000 When you're filling a bucket and it's starting to overflow, you're like, I got to turn the tap off.

01:52:50.000 But I'm sure we can.

01:52:50.000 Well, wait, wait.

01:52:51.000 Because you don't want just the bucket to always be empty.

01:52:53.000 You don't want it to overflow.

01:52:54.000 Right now is the problem.

01:52:55.000 I'm a Jewish man.

01:52:56.000 I am never, ever going to generalize an entire group of people and say they all want to stone people.

01:53:02.000 Because that is just nobody's at all.

01:53:05.000 He makes a good movie.

01:53:06.000 Imagine you're statistically.

01:53:08.000 Here's the story.

01:53:10.000 You got to take a mad whiz.

01:53:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:12.000 Like, man, you're hurting.

01:53:14.000 And so you pull up from the side of the road and there's this old rickety gas station and you're like, well, I'll take what I can get, right?

01:53:18.000 You know, like it's the middle of the day.

01:53:19.000 I'm not going to just let loose on the highway, but maybe if you have to.

01:53:22.000 But you go in the bathroom and you're like, okay, so you do your deed and then you're like, I'm going to wash my hands.

01:53:26.000 And you turn the water on, but it's cold and you want to wait for it to get warm.

01:53:30.000 However, the water is filling up faster than the drain can drain.

01:53:33.000 And so at a certain point, you're like, oh crap, I got to turn the water down because too much water is coming in and not enough is going through the drain.

01:53:39.000 That's Ian's point.

01:53:40.000 Ian's correct.

01:53:42.000 There's a happy medium of the level of migration.

01:53:44.000 And right now, the sink is overflowing and spilling everywhere. 0.62

01:53:46.000 The things you're seeing is people being like, shut the faucet off.

01:53:49.000 And you're like, hold on, leave a trickle going because it's still draining a little.

01:53:52.000 We can find a medium here.

01:53:53.000 Hold on.

01:53:54.000 I think to your point, the sink is overflowed.

01:53:57.000 You turn the sink off, wait for it to drain a little bit before turning it back on. 1.00

01:54:02.000 Yeah, immigration is a home. 1.00

01:54:03.000 We got a question. 0.96

01:54:04.000 This is from Casrath.

01:54:05.000 He says, why is it. 0.99

01:54:07.000 When you talk about asylum seekers, you ignore the international rules of norm of stopping at the first safe country.

01:54:14.000 Anything further is just an attempt to frame economic migrants who we owe nothing to as refugees.

01:54:19.000 It's not about owing something. 0.67

01:54:21.000 I agree with that.

01:54:21.000 It's not about necessarily owing something.

01:54:23.000 It's about abiding by our own constitution. 1.00

01:54:26.000 But why should a Guatemalan and Hondurans were in Mexico? 0.99

01:54:31.000 And Mexico offered them asylum and they all went, no, and they left? 0.92

01:54:31.000 Yes. 0.92

01:54:35.000 I do remember that.

01:54:36.000 Report those people.

01:54:37.000 Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

01:54:39.000 I want.

01:54:39.000 Our president and this administration to respect the rule of law and what it says in our Constitution.

01:54:46.000 What does it say in the Constitution about immigration?

01:54:48.000 Well, if we're talking about due process, the executive has the authority over it in international relations, unless when something to that effect.

01:55:00.000 And then Congress actually codified under the INA.

01:55:03.000 Actually, I'm sorry, I think the legislative branch controls the issue of immigration, but gave the rights to the executive branch under the INA.

01:55:11.000 But so there's nothing actually in the Constitution because you've said it a couple of times.

01:55:14.000 Every person has a certain.

01:55:15.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:55:16.000 You've said it a couple of times.

01:55:17.000 The Constitution says about immigration, but there's nothing actually in there except for that everyone is entitled to due process.

01:55:26.000 Which we talked about.

01:55:26.000 And that was my point.

01:55:28.000 Due process doesn't mean some kind of court hearing or anything.

01:55:28.000 Yes.

01:55:31.000 No, I never said that.

01:55:32.000 No, no, I'm just clarifying.

01:55:32.000 But there are.

01:55:34.000 Yeah.

01:55:34.000 I never said that every single person has to have a court hearing.

01:55:37.000 I would never make that claim.

01:55:39.000 We have an important one here from Taylor Lorenz's ex wife who has a comment, but I will read it.

01:55:44.000 It's not a question.

01:55:45.000 Somebody's ex wife?

01:55:46.000 Lorenz's ex wife. 1.00

01:55:46.000 Taylor Lorenz. 1.00

01:55:48.000 At Brian from last night's trans discussion. 1.00

01:55:51.000 As the Tim Cass community's official trans person, I assure you, trans is mental illness. 1.00

01:55:56.000 It needs to stay as such to get us our drugs and surgeries. 1.00

01:55:59.000 Also, it is gay to suck your girlfriend's dick. 1.00

01:56:03.000 So, the issue with so there was a big activism thing that happened like 10 years ago where a bunch of trans activists were trying to get gender dysphoria removed from the DSM. 1.00

01:56:13.000 And prominent organizations immediately came out with statements being like, stop doing this because if transgenderism is not a mental disorder or a prescribable illness, you can't get medication or treatment for it.

01:56:24.000 You get dropped from your insurance.

01:56:25.000 That means at that point, if you go to the hospital, they'll say, You're out of luck.

01:56:28.000 You get nothing.

01:56:29.000 So, they need it to be a mental disorder with prescribable treatments.

01:56:33.000 Yeah, I've heard that argument before.

01:56:36.000 I'm not a doctor.

01:56:37.000 I would imagine the person who made that statement probably isn't a medical professional either.

01:56:40.000 Again, it's a case by case basis.

01:56:43.000 There are certain people that have transgender surgeries. 0.99

01:56:45.000 I'm sure they are mentally ill, but they're also. 0.98

01:56:47.000 No, no, but the point is if you remove the medical. 0.91

01:56:50.000 I understand the insurance.

01:56:51.000 No one will ever get medicine again.

01:56:53.000 You can't even buy it.

01:56:53.000 No, no, no.

01:56:54.000 And that's a problem.

01:56:54.000 I understand.

01:56:55.000 So, trans people want it to be a mental disorder. 1.00

01:56:58.000 I understand that. 1.00

01:56:58.000 Well, I understand that. 1.00

01:56:59.000 But I'm just speaking that that's a problem. 0.87

01:57:00.000 You're being a transphobe when you tell them they're not. 0.93

01:57:02.000 Yeah, I don't think, listen, I don't think every single person that has transgender surgery is mentally ill. 0.94

01:57:07.000 I would imagine some probably are.

01:57:09.000 But, you know, again, I'm not a doctor.

01:57:11.000 No, no, no, no.

01:57:12.000 Again, to clarify, I understand what you're saying.

01:57:14.000 They're asking the insurance, they're asking it to be done.

01:57:16.000 It's not even insurance.

01:57:17.000 So when you're saying they might or might not be mentally ill, they're telling you explicitly they are suffering from a mental disorder.

01:57:24.000 Please stop saying otherwise because you are hurting their car.

01:57:26.000 There's the legal definition of is it classified?

01:57:28.000 But then there's also like the legit, is it legitimately some sort of disorder mentally?

01:57:32.000 I mean, I would think always it would be.

01:57:34.000 If you felt like you're in the wrong sex body, that's some sort of disorder?

01:57:37.000 I hear you, Ian. 0.66

01:57:38.000 I just feel like a lot of people on the right are obsessed with transgenders. 0.96

01:57:41.000 It seems like every single time there's a mass shooting, they hope that it was from a transgender so they can attack the transgender community. 0.92

01:57:47.000 I just think it's a lot of it's a lot of it. 0.95

01:57:48.000 But this is politics, man.

01:57:49.000 Are you familiar with Coulter's Law?

01:57:51.000 So this just happened the other day when there was a guy on a bus and a kid was talking on his phone.

01:57:51.000 Yes.

01:57:56.000 And the guy went to the kid, asked him to stop being so loud, and the kid just pulled out a gun and shot and killed him.

01:58:00.000 And they didn't identify anything.

01:58:02.000 They said the shooter was wearing a t shirt and that was it.

01:58:05.000 And then immediately I was like, Coulter's Law, right?

01:58:08.000 And then sure enough, a day later, like, yes, he was born.

01:58:10.000 But Tim, you're friends with Matt Walsh, right? 0.91

01:58:12.000 And I just feel like Matt Walsh is a despicable human being. 0.73

01:58:15.000 All day long, I'm shocked.

01:58:17.000 All day long, shocked that you're a Matt Walsh fan.

01:58:19.000 I think that's great.

01:58:20.000 All day long, what does he do? 0.99

01:58:22.000 If he's not attacking black people, which he does on a regular basis, he's attacking transgenders. 0.99

01:58:27.000 He's literally made a living attacking. 0.96

01:58:29.000 And I ask all of you, how are transgenders negatively affecting you in your life?

01:58:33.000 They're not negatively affecting me.

01:58:35.000 How are they negative?

01:58:36.000 Now, I'm not talking about the school and the sports thing.

01:58:39.000 Okay, I agree. 1.00

01:58:39.000 Transgender women. 1.00

01:58:40.000 I have an answer for you. 0.99

01:58:41.000 Outside of the building that I owned in Martinsburg, they had a drag show with transvestites for children, which is a violation of the law. 0.99

01:58:49.000 And I don't want my family anywhere by for a variety of reasons, which we can go to the larger moral philosophical of. 0.73

01:58:54.000 I don't want sexualization exposed to my children or my community's children.

01:58:58.000 Talking about drag queen reading or like what? 0.98

01:59:00.000 It was a sex show on stage. 1.00

01:59:02.000 They set up a stage in the street and had children there.

01:59:06.000 I don't want it next to my coffee shop where people are trying to pass.

01:59:08.000 What were they doing?

01:59:09.000 What were they doing that you're saying?

01:59:10.000 Sexually explicit.

01:59:11.000 What was it?

01:59:12.000 Booty shaking, twerking, et cetera.

01:59:14.000 Well, booty shaking could be anywhere. 1.00

01:59:15.000 It doesn't have to be a transgender. 1.00

01:59:16.000 Somebody could booty shake. 1.00

01:59:18.000 And that's also problematic.

01:59:19.000 And so my issue is if they were doing sexual deep things for children. 1.00

01:59:23.000 I don't want strippers doing it. 0.99

01:59:25.000 I don't want strippers doing it in the street either. 1.00

01:59:25.000 Booty shaking? 1.00

01:59:28.000 So there you go.

01:59:29.000 It's.

01:59:30.000 How would you know?

01:59:31.000 Well, first of all, again, I don't think booty shaking is.

01:59:35.000 I don't want my kids to see this.

01:59:37.000 Let's just don't have them.

01:59:37.000 I'm okay with kids watching booty shaking?

01:59:39.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:59:40.000 Are we talking about nudity or what are we talking about?

01:59:43.000 Let's get the framing right.

01:59:44.000 Let's get the framing right. 1.00

01:59:46.000 I don't care about trans people.

01:59:49.000 We have, as I mentioned, we have a Timcast official trans person who just asked a question, who has called in numerous times, who we've hung out with. 1.00

01:59:57.000 Totally don't give a crap. 0.99

01:59:58.000 If you're an adult, I think I have concerns. 0.99

02:00:01.000 I think there's better options for you in terms of how you can seek to treat the disorder.

02:00:08.000 My concern, and I think most conservatives, I would argue that there's a general, for the average person that are not well versed in politics, everything's particularly surface level.

02:00:19.000 So when they see trans activists and when they see leftists supporting trans rights, When these people do things wrong, it becomes a blanket. 0.94

02:00:25.000 For instance, when that guy in the Canadian school had the big fake boobs and said, This is. 0.95

02:00:30.000 I remember. 0.98

02:00:31.000 And when we go, Hey, stop.

02:00:32.000 It was inappropriate the way he was dressed.

02:00:33.000 But general leftists say, Stop attacking this person.

02:00:37.000 When you get.

02:00:37.000 Well, that was inappropriate because of the dress code.

02:00:40.000 But so my point is this I don't care if a person is trans. 0.74

02:00:43.000 We've had. 1.00

02:00:44.000 And I'll use someone's word.

02:00:45.000 A lot of conservatives do.

02:00:46.000 Indeed.

02:00:47.000 And again, I share your same opinion.

02:00:50.000 We're framing the point.

02:00:51.000 Yeah.

02:00:52.000 So we've had trans people come on this show.

02:00:55.000 And there was one individual who was like six foot five, very male, very masculine, but said, I'm she, her.

02:00:59.000 I said, You got it.

02:01:01.000 You want to come to my show?

02:01:02.000 Well, you know, if you're going to be nice to me, I'll be nice to you.

02:01:02.000 Right.

02:01:04.000 Yes. 0.89

02:01:05.000 And the issue then becomes you get someone like, I'm not going to name the person, but there was a fat man claiming to be trans going into girls' bathrooms and taking pictures of little girls. 0.86

02:01:14.000 Well, that's a crime.

02:01:16.000 No, because they were protected under the law because trans activists got the laws passed.

02:01:20.000 Wait, taking pictures of people in the restroom is legal?

02:01:22.000 That's not a crime.

02:01:23.000 Okay, well, that should be a crime.

02:01:25.000 And now you agree with us 100%. 0.98

02:01:28.000 Listen, if you're straight, gay, trans, not trans. 0.79

02:01:31.000 And notice how it wasn't a problem until trans people entered the picture. 0.89

02:01:34.000 That's the point that. 0.97

02:01:35.000 The issue is this.

02:01:36.000 Wait, hold on.

02:01:37.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

02:01:38.000 You're saying straight people and Christian people can't commit a crime in a bathroom?

02:01:42.000 Well, what he's saying is that this became a problem that literally the law wasn't able to deal with after the.

02:01:47.000 I bet everybody who did it before then probably got prosecuted.

02:01:49.000 No, no, no.

02:01:50.000 This is the point.

02:01:52.000 If Phil walks into a girl's bathroom and snaps pictures of little girls, he's getting arrested.

02:01:57.000 But if Phil puts on a wig, And address and does it, he says.

02:02:00.000 Well, that's insane.

02:02:01.000 I hate everything about this.

02:02:02.000 That's what we are complaining about.

02:02:03.000 Okay, that's a problem, but that's.

02:02:05.000 So we agree.

02:02:06.000 That's what you're complaining about.

02:02:08.000 That's what you're complaining about. 0.97

02:02:09.000 Matt Walsh attacks transgenders every day on there and mocks transgenders. 0.97

02:02:14.000 And he makes money. 0.99

02:02:15.000 He makes money.

02:02:16.000 He's seen that and has to go big it.

02:02:18.000 What does he do to attack them?

02:02:19.000 Do I really need to explain?

02:02:20.000 Fine attack. 0.99

02:02:21.000 Do I really need to explain to you that the guy writes books on how horrible transgender people are? 1.00

02:02:25.000 You just ask what a woman is. 0.95

02:02:26.000 That's all I see him doing. 0.58

02:02:27.000 He wrote a children's book that was very neutral.

02:02:30.000 It was very much like, which one did he write where it was like, don't be the wrong animal or something?

02:02:33.000 Have you seen his Twitter feed?

02:02:35.000 Yeah, his Twitter feed's great.

02:02:37.000 I love his Twitter feed.

02:02:38.000 It's very Christian of you.

02:02:39.000 Very Christian of you.

02:02:40.000 Very Christian of you.

02:02:40.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:02:42.000 Hack people because of their sexuality or because they're transgender. 1.00

02:02:42.000 I can only tell you. 1.00

02:02:45.000 It's very personal.

02:02:46.000 Allow me to tell you how to practice your religion.

02:02:48.000 Okay, okay, but I got to say this.

02:02:49.000 I got to say this.

02:02:50.000 It's the final thing before we wrap up, and I got to say it, okay?

02:02:54.000 You show me tweets where you're insulting conservatives.

02:02:56.000 You've made jokes, and I laugh at them.

02:02:56.000 Absolutely.

02:02:57.000 Absolutely.

02:02:58.000 And I do.

02:02:58.000 Absolutely.

02:02:59.000 And Matt Walsh makes jokes, and I laugh at them too.

02:03:01.000 So, you're mad at Matt Walsh for being vitriolic and saying these things.

02:03:05.000 You are vitriolic in your own way.

02:03:07.000 But for me, jokes are jokes.

02:03:08.000 And so, when you make jokes that are at the expense of conservative groups or Christians or whatever, if it's a funny joke, I'm going to laugh at it.

02:03:15.000 If Matt Walsh does the same thing about black people or trans people, I'm going to laugh at it too.

02:03:19.000 I'm an equal opportunity offender.

02:03:22.000 I like watching Ben Bankus, he'll make fun of it, or Ryan Long, or Dave Chappelle.

02:03:28.000 Like, you want to make a joke and rag on somebody?

02:03:31.000 I'm not going to complain about it.

02:03:33.000 If you get up on stage and just start insulting and attacking and you're vitriolic, well, I might be like, chill out, bro.

02:03:39.000 It's what Matt Walsh does.

02:03:41.000 I think I'm talking about a joke.

02:03:42.000 I think they're meant to be facetious. 0.99

02:03:44.000 Matt Walsh every day attacks transgenders and black people. 0.98

02:03:49.000 Does he? 0.96

02:03:49.000 Does he go after the individuals or does he go after transgenderism? 0.96

02:03:49.000 Every day. 0.96

02:03:52.000 He goes after.

02:03:53.000 At times he goes after individuals.

02:03:56.000 I'm pulling up Matt Walsh's ex account.

02:03:57.000 Yeah.

02:03:58.000 Go ahead.

02:03:58.000 It's been a long time coming, Maddie.

02:04:00.000 In fact, I went after him and then it was really weird.

02:04:02.000 He retweeted me the other day and didn't respond to it.

02:04:05.000 It was very strange.

02:04:05.000 He's great, though.

02:04:06.000 One on one.

02:04:06.000 Ryan's like, don't do it.

02:04:07.000 Benjamin's like, let's go.

02:04:08.000 Is he serious?

02:04:09.000 But he's subversive and he's very funny. 1.00

02:04:11.000 I think he's an asshole. 1.00

02:04:12.000 I think he's an asshole. 1.00

02:04:13.000 Here we go. 1.00

02:04:13.000 He said. 1.00

02:04:14.000 Look, very.

02:04:14.000 All right, right.

02:04:15.000 Let me read one.

02:04:16.000 Wow, I thought it was wrong for him to stab a kid to death, but now that I see these videos of Carmelo smiling and stuff, I've realized that actually he should have been allowed to murder whoever he wanted.

02:04:24.000 I apologize for my error. 0.98

02:04:26.000 Just stupid. 0.99

02:04:27.000 It's kind of funny. 1.00

02:04:28.000 If you know him, it's a lot more like, oh, that's Matt.

02:04:30.000 Like, you, like, he put that at, like, Borat.

02:04:33.000 Yeah, these aren't even racial.

02:04:35.000 I want to find one that's like, okay, here we go. 0.67

02:04:37.000 The most hilarious mythology on the left is that black women are quiet martyrs forced to carry the burden of the whole human race on their courageous shoulders, totally divorced from reality, but you hear it all the time from these people.

02:04:48.000 Well, he's criticizing the left about black people. 0.68

02:04:50.000 He didn't say anything about black people. 1.00

02:04:51.000 Can I ask you a question, since you think that's funny?

02:04:53.000 Like, if somebody made a joke about priests molesting children, would you also joke?

02:04:56.000 Would you laugh about that, sir?

02:04:57.000 Well, priests don't disproportionately molest children.

02:04:59.000 No, but they have in the past. 0.99

02:05:00.000 Would you make a dumb joke? 0.86

02:05:00.000 No, they actually haven't. 0.86

02:05:01.000 Teachers.

02:05:02.000 Hold on.

02:05:02.000 See how it is?

02:05:03.000 There's no problem with defensive.

02:05:04.000 You have defensive, he gets?

02:05:05.000 You have defensive.

02:05:05.000 Yeah.

02:05:06.000 No, no, but that's not true.

02:05:07.000 It's Catholic priests anyway.

02:05:07.000 It hasn't happened.

02:05:08.000 I'm not Catholic.

02:05:09.000 I'm Orthodox.

02:05:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:11.000 What are you?

02:05:11.000 I don't know.

02:05:12.000 Orthodox.

02:05:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:05:13.000 Oh, there it is.

02:05:14.000 I'm Orthodox. 1.00

02:05:14.000 If we made a joke about Bible thumpers, right? 1.00

02:05:16.000 We had an Orthodox Catholic. 1.00

02:05:18.000 He wouldn't laugh about But if it's a joke about a black person, the first thing you do is laugh. 0.97

02:05:22.000 Okay, we had a debate between. 1.00

02:05:23.000 There's truth behind it. 0.96

02:05:24.000 Racist!

02:05:25.000 That's the point. 0.51

02:05:25.000 Yeah, well, okay, well, there's not truth behind that joke. 0.51

02:05:27.000 And it's not true behind that joke. 0.83

02:05:28.000 Pre-submolested children. 0.99

02:05:29.000 Okay, clergy, haven't they? 1.00

02:05:30.000 We had a debate.

02:05:31.000 We had an Orthodox versus Catholic debate, and it was the hottest.

02:05:34.000 Like, you think this is agitated.

02:05:35.000 Like, these people were screaming and like.

02:05:37.000 Yeah, it was Tim Gordon and Jay, right?

02:05:38.000 And I think so.

02:05:39.000 And they're like reading Latin, and I'm like, this is wild.

02:05:42.000 Yeah, I think it was Tim Gordon and Jay.

02:05:43.000 What do you think about black people? 0.98

02:05:46.000 Bro, what do I think about black people? 0.99

02:05:47.000 Yeah, just in general.

02:05:47.000 I like black people.

02:05:48.000 I think black people are created in the image of God, and I think that they disproportionately commit violent crime. 1.00

02:05:53.000 So, the first thing he breaks down is black people committing crimes. 1.00

02:05:56.000 So, the first thing was the image of God. 0.99

02:06:01.000 The first thing I said is that they're created in the image of God.

02:06:04.000 And what was the second thing you said?

02:06:05.000 Yeah, is it true or false that they disproportionately commit violent crime?

02:06:08.000 Is that a true or false statement?

02:06:09.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of reasons for that.

02:06:11.000 Okay, yeah, socioeconomic?

02:06:14.000 No, no, no. 0.90

02:06:15.000 In Chicago, it's because you insulted them.

02:06:18.000 No, no, no.

02:06:19.000 Because this is what they like to say.

02:06:20.000 It's in socioeconomic.

02:06:21.000 Yeah, from the perspective of slaves, they didn't have education, nutrition, so like, But that's not true right now in Chicago.

02:06:26.000 Seven generations removed, you know?

02:06:28.000 So that's not true right now in Chicago.

02:06:29.000 They've got clean running water.

02:06:30.000 They got showers.

02:06:31.000 They got houses.

02:06:32.000 They live in a major, massive metro in the wealthiest country on the planet.

02:06:35.000 And they kill each other over insults.

02:06:37.000 But like their parents didn't, a lot of times didn't have, sorry to interrupt, but they didn't have education and nutrition.

02:06:43.000 I have a buddy from Chicago.

02:06:44.000 I have a buddy from Chicago. 0.95

02:06:46.000 He's black.

02:06:46.000 And one of the greatest days, man, it was amazing.

02:06:49.000 It was 2008.

02:06:51.000 And we were skating.

02:06:52.000 And I'm sitting down.

02:06:54.000 And I think it's his grandma.

02:06:55.000 She goes, Are you going to vote for Obama?

02:06:58.000 And he goes, I don't know.

02:06:59.000 And she goes, You got to vote for Obama.

02:07:00.000 He could be the first black president.

02:07:02.000 And he goes, Does that mean he's a good president? 0.92

02:07:05.000 And I was like, Man, I fist bumped him.

02:07:07.000 I'm like, That's what I'm talking about. 0.60

02:07:09.000 I don't care if he's black, white, or otherwise.

02:07:11.000 That's how me and my friends were.

02:07:13.000 I didn't care if my friend was black.

02:07:14.000 He was my friend.

02:07:15.000 He didn't care that I was Asian, white, or black.

02:07:17.000 That's not the way everybody thinks, unfortunately. 1.00

02:07:19.000 And fuck those people. 1.00

02:07:20.000 Fuck them. 1.00

02:07:20.000 Yeah, I agree. 1.00

02:07:21.000 And so when they say, We want the president just because he's black, me and my friends of various racial backgrounds were like, I don't want to live in that world, dude.

02:07:28.000 Well, I think a lot of black people that said that, it was an emotional time for them because they never thought in their lifetime that they would see a black president.

02:07:35.000 So for them, it was a historical moment.

02:07:38.000 We are over time.

02:07:39.000 Oh, I'm talking about my time.

02:07:41.000 There's always much, much more to come.

02:07:46.000 But we got much more planned.

02:07:47.000 We're actually planning on a Culture War live show tour.

02:07:49.000 So it's the new year.

02:07:51.000 We're planning on bringing the shows.

02:07:52.000 We did last year.

02:07:52.000 We're going to do them again this year.

02:07:53.000 It's all getting set up.

02:07:54.000 It'll be a lot of fun.

02:07:55.000 So we'll get more of this going.

02:07:57.000 We're going to go for another three or four hours on all these subjects.

02:07:59.000 And it's a lot of fun.

02:08:00.000 But we are over time.

02:08:01.000 So smash the like button, share the show, subscribe, follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.

02:08:06.000 Benjamin, you want to shout anything out?

02:08:07.000 Yeah, I'm just at RealBenMichael on all platforms, primarily X, Instagram, and YouTube.

02:08:12.000 I'm live every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday at 2 o'clock.

02:08:14.000 For my show American Orthodoxy over there, where I go over politics and religion, talk about Israel, immigration, and Christianity in culture.

02:08:23.000 I'm Brian Shapiro.

02:08:23.000 I do not think that all Muslims are terrorists.

02:08:27.000 Follow me at not all Muslims. 0.98

02:08:31.000 At PTL Radio Show on YouTube. 1.00

02:08:34.000 PushingTheLimits.live is my website, Facebook fan page.

02:08:37.000 PushingTheLimits.

02:08:38.000 I do a show Monday through Friday, and this is day two on Timcast.

02:08:43.000 I can't believe it.

02:08:43.000 It was a hot day, too, man.

02:08:45.000 It's because you were in town yesterday.

02:08:46.000 And he was like, I'm actually in town all right.

02:08:48.000 I was like, yeah, sure, whatever, I guess.

02:08:49.000 That's rock.

02:08:49.000 Ian Cross on 4K.

02:08:50.000 That was a more calm Brian Shapiro today than yesterday.

02:08:53.000 Was it?

02:08:54.000 We'll have to review the tape to find out.

02:08:55.000 I want to say, like, Brian's kind of playing the heel and trying to be antagonistic intentionally.

02:09:01.000 And then today he was like, Did I do too much?

02:09:02.000 And I'm like, Just do whatever you want to do.

02:09:04.000 I think people, I mean, obviously, Brian's opinions are his opinions.

02:09:08.000 Sure.

02:09:08.000 But I think Brian's trying to be, I don't know what the right word is, but.

02:09:13.000 Spicy.

02:09:14.000 Yeah, he's trying to poke and, as I said, needling you.

02:09:17.000 Kneeling, he's like, you know, he's trying to.

02:09:18.000 Like when you needle someone with the ball.

02:09:19.000 Well, now I know if I say something in the car that Brian's going to bring it up in the show.

02:09:22.000 Now I got it.

02:09:23.000 Anyway, anyway, anyway.

02:09:25.000 Well, you know me.

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02:09:28.000 Phil Labonte, talk me out.

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02:09:37.000 We are playing the Warp Tour in D.C. this Sunday.

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02:09:46.000 Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

02:09:49.000 He didn't even offer me free tickets.

02:09:50.000 That's right.

02:09:51.000 Very upsetting.

02:09:51.000 He knows I'm in town.

02:09:53.000 Didn't even offer me tickets.

02:09:54.000 Very upsetting.

02:09:55.000 To be fair, I didn't offer anyone free tickets because it's a festival.

02:09:58.000 Okay, fair enough.

02:09:59.000 No backstage passes.

02:10:00.000 Nothing.

02:10:00.000 Not for the fact.

02:10:01.000 G Man, you talk so much.

02:10:04.000 Really great.

02:10:05.000 I had to play Ian's lower third like three times, like going back and forth.

02:10:08.000 No, man, these last two episodes were like probably two of my favorite ones.

02:10:13.000 Really?

02:10:14.000 Wow.

02:10:14.000 Didn't even say anything.

02:10:15.000 So I was like, wow, there's so much going on right now.

02:10:17.000 Anyway, I'm Carter Banks.

02:10:18.000 You can follow me at Carter Banks, everywhere, at Carter Banks Official, everywhere else.

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02:10:24.000 New song coming out on Juneteenth.

02:10:27.000 And yeah, go check out the trailer, Tim.

02:10:29.000 We'll make sure to get some more in episodes in the future.

02:10:33.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:10:34.000 We'll see you all next time.

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