Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - DoD Branch Chief GOES ROGUE, Vows To RESIST Trump, Tulsi Refers Leakers For PROSECUTION |Timcast IRL

00:02:28.000 James O'Keefe is back with a new leak this time, or not necessarily a leak, but an undercover interview from a Department of Defense branch chief who says that he is going to resist Donald Trump and Hegseth.

00:02:39.000 And, oh boy, guys, I think this guy's going to go to jail.

00:02:44.000 I don't know for sure, but going on camera, talking it up to people in public about your DOD work at a time when, other big news, Tulsi Gabbard says she has referred leakers for criminal prosecution.

00:02:57.000 And we just heard from Secretary Kristi Noem in an interview that I had done with her that she is having DHS polygraph people to weed out corruption.

00:03:07.000 Then I see this story from James O'Keefe and I say, James, I think this guy might be investigated for criminal activity.

00:03:14.000 Because while he's saying this stuff in public, the question is, what is he doing in private within the DOD to undermine the Trump administration?

00:03:21.000 Then we're getting rumors that Elon Musk is leaving Doge.

00:03:25.000 Now, some people are saying, yeah, he's literally just leaving.

00:03:28.000 So his time is up.

00:03:30.000 Others are saying he got into a screaming match, WWE style, and this is the end.

00:03:35.000 I never believe the salacious stuff because it's just life is boring.

00:03:39.000 It's never that crazy.

00:03:40.000 But, you know, maybe, I guess.

00:03:43.000 So we'll talk about that plus the rise of Dark Woke.

00:03:46.000 Have you guys heard of Dark Woke?

00:03:47.000 The Democrats are trying a new strategy where they're insufferable and they act like children and they're calling it Dark Woke.

00:03:53.000 You try to talk Brandon. 1.00

00:03:55.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:03:56.000 They don't understand what authenticity is. 1.00

00:03:57.000 They think swearing on TV makes them seem authentic. 0.99

00:03:59.000 No, it just makes you seem ignorant. 0.99

00:04:01.000 But sure. 0.99

00:04:02.000 We'll talk about all that.

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00:06:56.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Five Times August.

00:07:00.000 Hi, thanks for having me.

00:07:01.000 Who are you?

00:07:01.000 What do you do?

00:07:02.000 Brad Skistomis, singer-songwriter for Five Times August, creator of the Juicebox Jukebox, content creator, influencer to some degree on X, all sorts of things.

00:07:13.000 What does Five Times August mean?

00:07:15.000 That name came from my birthday, needing a band name, August 5th, so I was 18 at the time when I started, and I was like, I can't go by Brad Skistomis, so...

00:07:25.000 I was like, August 5th, five times August.

00:07:28.000 That sounds cool.

00:07:28.000 And you performed for us, actually, in the green room.

00:07:31.000 I did.

00:07:31.000 So he showed up and we were like, no, you're not allowed to sit down.

00:07:34.000 We handed him a guitar and said, play.

00:07:35.000 And he was like, yes.

00:07:36.000 And everyone was impressed.

00:07:37.000 So if you go to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL, that green room episode is for members only.

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00:07:45.000 It is really, really incredible.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, it's really good stuff.

00:07:49.000 It's stunning, Brad.

00:07:50.000 It is really good, man.

00:07:51.000 I didn't know.

00:07:52.000 I wasn't super familiar with your work in the...

00:07:54.000 Early aughts, I guess you would say, you know, 2007, 8, 9, really until more recently.

00:07:59.000 And then we were listening to it at Iowa, at the Iowa caucus, and it's spectacular, dude.

00:08:03.000 I could use much more profanity to describe how awesome it is.

00:08:06.000 Well, go for it. 0.99

00:08:07.000 Fucking epic, dude. 0.98

00:08:08.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:08:08.000 Really, really good. 0.99

00:08:09.000 And you know that it's true, because look at the way this man is dressed.

00:08:13.000 He must be a rock star or something.

00:08:15.000 He's like, I'm going to wear my rainbow suit. 0.55

00:08:16.000 I just want to point out real quick, this is Ian Crossland, and as much as he's dressed like a lunatic, the actual rock star is over here.

00:08:23.000 True. Well, I'm surrounded by rock stars.

00:08:25.000 It's kind of fascinating.

00:08:26.000 Phil Labonte.

00:08:27.000 Hello, everybody.

00:08:27.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:08:28.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:08:30.000 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:08:32.000 Let's get into it.

00:08:33.000 And Ian Crossland.

00:08:33.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:08:34.000 And the last thing I was going to say is it's hard to describe music without someone actually being able to listen to the song.

00:08:39.000 It's like trying to describe a piece of food that...

00:08:40.000 Someone's not tasting.

00:08:41.000 So 5timesaugust.com?

00:08:43.000 Is that the website?

00:08:44.000 Yeah. Check it out.

00:08:45.000 Let's jump into this first story.

00:08:46.000 It's breaking news from James O'Keefe draining the deep state.

00:08:50.000 Yo, this is crazy.

00:08:51.000 DoD branch chief calls President Trump illegitimate, vows to resist him.

00:08:57.000 Everything he does claims Pete Hegseth is, quote, insanely young and unfit to lead.

00:09:01.000 Nobody I know should be the secretary of defense.

00:09:04.000 Quote, the same guy who tried to overthrow an election is just like truly setting us down a path of dictatorship.

00:09:09.000 I think they don't care who they hurt, referring to Trump's administration.

00:09:13.000 Now,

00:09:14.000 Now, we will get into the next bit of the story, but the reason why this one is so important is that you have this story.

00:09:19.000 Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to DOJ over leaks.

00:09:25.000 Then James O'Keefe drops this.

00:09:26.000 I think this guy's going to get investigated.

00:09:28.000 Let's play the clip.

00:09:30.000 the same guy who tried to overthrow an election.

00:09:33.000 He's just like truly setting us down a path.

00:09:37.000 He's illegitimate.

00:09:38.000 He's purely immoral, breaking every war.

00:09:42.000 We're going to resist him.

00:09:43.000 James O'Keefe here in Arlington, Virginia, in front of the Pentagon, the branch chief inside the Pentagon, saying on hidden camera he's going to resist against Trump and Hegseth.

00:09:55.000 Now, since President Trump was elected and assigned Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, the DOD has faced a number of leaks in the past few months from employees inside the Pentagon.

00:10:06.000 There's some type of deep state forces that want to make sure you don't stay there.

00:10:10.000 They've come after me from day one, just like they've come after President Trump.

00:10:13.000 I mean, I've gotten a fraction of what President Trump got in that first term.

00:10:17.000 The Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, has been going on media interviews expressing that there are people within the Pentagon who want to resist the president and hurt the president.

00:10:24.000 I know exactly why I'm here.

00:10:26.000 To rip out the insidious ideologies and not compromise and not back down.

00:10:32.000 To reestablish standards and Nicholas Terza, a branch chief within the DOD, expressed dissatisfaction with his new boss, Secretary of Defense Pete Hexeth, claiming he is too young for the job.

00:10:43.000 I'm assuming that your boss isn't Pete Hexeth.

00:10:49.000 Ultimately, he is my boss.

00:10:51.000 But this is insane.

00:10:52.000 I actually know Pete Hexeth.

00:10:54.000 You do?

00:10:55.000 Like, personally?

00:10:56.000 This is so crazy.

00:10:57.000 Like, that's not a good reflection on me.

00:10:59.000 That's a bad reflection on Trump.

00:11:02.000 Like, nobody I know should be the Secretary of Defense.

00:11:05.000 That's a weird thing to say, because I would ask, like, why?

00:11:08.000 Like, I know Kash Patel.

00:11:10.000 I would never say no one I know should be running the FBI.

00:11:12.000 Like, well, I don't know.

00:11:13.000 I actually know a lot of veterans and security experts and law enforcement.

00:11:17.000 That's like a weird thing to say.

00:11:18.000 I do want to add this real quick to this.

00:11:20.000 This is a clip from the interview I had with Kristi Noem.

00:11:23.000 That I think is pertinent to the Tulsi Gabbard and DOD leak story.

00:11:27.000 Check this out.

00:11:28.000 One thing that, you know, in Homeland Security that we've been doing is we're polygraphing everybody.

00:11:34.000 You know, we're kind of going hardcore.

00:11:36.000 So I'm just, you know, I don't trust anybody.

00:11:38.000 Yeah, I'm really polygraphing everybody.

00:11:40.000 Yeah, we are polygraphing everybody.

00:11:43.000 So if I had a CBP officer that was sitting there...

00:11:45.000 And facilitated child trafficking.

00:11:48.000 First thing I do is put him on a polygraph and start building a case against him.

00:11:51.000 So we've done that with people on our executive offices, heading up our biggest agencies in our communications department.

00:11:58.000 We've had all these leaks going on.

00:12:00.000 We've polygraphed those individuals.

00:12:01.000 If we think somebody is not on Team America, then, you know, I want to find out if you really understand that you're working for the people of this country.

00:12:10.000 I love it.

00:12:10.000 So nobody's done that before, but if I have the authority to do it, I'm going to do it to make sure.

00:12:16.000 The deep state exists.

00:12:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:19.000 And, you know, I would say 10 years ago you could have told me, you know, I would have been skeptical on that and thought, you know, everybody's kind of seeing shadows.

00:12:28.000 Boy, if anything has proven to me that it does and that there are people embedded in this government and that there are people that are facilitating crimes and criminal activity.

00:12:39.000 I know that there are.

00:12:40.000 And so we're going to make sure that we're doing all we can to clean house and get people out of here that would facilitate something as horrific as that.

00:12:46.000 This is actually a really interesting turn of events for me because it was just yesterday that I spoke with Christine Ohm.

00:12:52.000 And she said, we've got people.

00:12:54.000 The deep state is real.

00:12:55.000 They're entrenched.

00:12:55.000 She's specifically referring to guys like this, that James O'Keefe then, I believe, just at 6.46 p.m., publishes this video.

00:13:04.000 So while I have Christine Ohm literally saying we are trying to weed out these people.

00:13:08.000 Through the DHS, you've got the DOD at the same time.

00:13:12.000 There's the evidence.

00:13:13.000 She was right the whole time.

00:13:14.000 And they're polygraphing these people.

00:13:16.000 By the way, we should get a polygraph for this office.

00:13:18.000 That'd be hell yeah.

00:13:20.000 Sure. And so she claimed that it's the people that are doing, being illegal, doing illegal things. 0.64

00:13:25.000 And that's a big problem.

00:13:26.000 And I agree, but I think a lot of people...

00:13:27.000 Legal and classified information is illegal.

00:13:29.000 I think a lot of these people are doing legal things, but they're doing evil.

00:13:32.000 And that's a big moral conversation about what's good, what's evil.

00:13:36.000 We have religion and social morals to kind of dictate that.

00:13:39.000 But people that use the law for evil are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than people that completely ignore the law.

00:13:45.000 Maybe they're not quite that dangerous, more insidious, you know?

00:13:48.000 You can create and control entire civilizations with evil lawfare if you're unopposed.

00:13:55.000 So that's a big challenge, is to find out who in here is actually...

00:14:00.000 It's just these two perspectives about what's going to destroy the world.

00:14:05.000 Is it him or is it me?

00:14:06.000 No, it's actually simple.

00:14:07.000 The American people have elected an administration, support the administration, Trump's approval ratings are under the margin of error, and then you simply say, okay, I'm here to do my job for the American people.

00:14:17.000 These people are ideologically driven evil individuals who think they matter more than you.

00:14:25.000 There's like a...

00:14:26.000 Civil disobedience is your right as an American, but this isn't a civil thing.

00:14:30.000 This guy's working for the military, the Department of Defense, so he's no longer a civilian, and you're not really supposed to disobey your military.

00:14:36.000 Let me show you something real quick, Ian.

00:14:38.000 I tweeted this earlier, and I think you made a point that Warren's bringing this up.

00:14:43.000 The top post on Change My View on Reddit is American conservatism is objectively a dangerous ideology and those associated with it do not deserve a platform.

00:14:51.000 Conservatism is undeniably a dangerous ideology.

00:14:55.000 It seeks to fundamentally destroy and undermine democracy targets minorities has led to authoritarian regimes.

00:15:01.000 At this point, who cares what else they said?

00:15:03.000 Is the

00:15:04.000 point not obvious to you, Ian.

00:15:05.000 What point exactly?

00:15:07.000 This individual who thinks conservatives are evil and destroying democracy and leading to authoritarianism has decided that authoritarianism and the end of democracy are the means by which you stop.

00:15:18.000 Oh, it's totally staring into the abyss.

00:15:21.000 That kind of mentality.

00:15:22.000 It's not staring into the abyss.

00:15:23.000 You become the demon you hate so much.

00:15:23.000 They're not fighting monsters.

00:15:25.000 They think they are. 0.99

00:15:26.000 Then they're psychopaths. 0.92

00:15:28.000 And so, what would you...

00:15:29.000 If you've got a guy, and he's in the military, and he's armed, and he's sent on a mission, and they say, this guy right here has kidnapped a bunch of women.

00:15:37.000 We need to rescue them.

00:15:38.000 They're American citizens.

00:15:39.000 And he says, okay, we call that a warrior.

00:15:41.000 What if that guy with the weapon was...

00:15:45.000 Diseased, drugged up and out of his mind and running around shooting at random people. 1.00

00:15:49.000 We'd say, that's a crazy person or a deranged lunatic. 1.00

00:15:54.000 That's how I would describe these people. 0.99

00:15:55.000 They're on no mission.

00:15:56.000 They're not going after any bad guys.

00:15:58.000 They are seeking to undermine the popular will of the people.

00:16:01.000 I think the concern that they're having, and I've thought of this a lot, is people did vote for Trump and they gave him the mandate.

00:16:07.000 That doesn't mean they support...

00:16:08.000 Carte Blanche, everything this guy's going to do from here on forward.

00:16:11.000 No, it means that the polls right now show largely he has general support across the board.

00:16:16.000 His approval ratings in aggregate are within the margin of error, or I should say about a point below the margin of error.

00:16:22.000 He's sitting in aggregate RCP about minus four, which is, give or take, you know, it's like 20 points higher than where Biden was, or not 20, but 10 points higher.

00:16:32.000 So right now, especially on immigration, Trump has the, and that's the principal issue, Trump largely has the favor of the American people.

00:16:39.000 But why is it then that these deep state people are undermining these individuals before they've even started their jobs?

00:16:47.000 I don't know.

00:16:48.000 I think, what were you going to say?

00:16:49.000 I'm wondering if when this guy says something like, the same guy who tried to overthrow an election, and he's having this one-on-one conversation with this person, if he really means that narrative.

00:17:02.000 Because obviously a lot of people don't believe in that narrative.

00:17:06.000 Do these people behind the curtain sincerely convince themselves of these narratives and then they have to commit to it even in these settings to keep it going?

00:17:17.000 Does that make sense?

00:17:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:17:19.000 Yeah, believing your own lie kind of thing.

00:17:22.000 You have to get to the point where you become...

00:17:24.000 So entrenched?

00:17:25.000 Is it that or they're just brainwashed by the mass media and they don't question?

00:17:29.000 You know, I have a really good example of something inane that I think represents even today the culture war.

00:17:36.000 Me and the boonies homies were joking about launching a skateboard. 0.99

00:17:40.000 Like, what are our new graphics going to be?

00:17:42.000 And then I said, I got an idea. 0.96

00:17:43.000 Let's make a skateboard that's just white with black bold text saying, don't be gay. 1.00

00:17:48.000 Everybody laugh because I'm joking, right? 0.78

00:17:51.000 And I laughed and I was like, to be fair, we'd probably sell out of those.

00:17:53.000 We'd sell like hotcakes.

00:17:55.000 Indeed. The joke is, the left has a meme that says, be gay, do crime. 0.99

00:18:01.000 And so my inversion of their joke is, don't be gay. 1.00

00:18:05.000 Now here's the thing.

00:18:07.000 One of the guys, I'm not going to call him out, but he was like, I don't know man, people are going to get real mad at us for something like that.

00:18:11.000 And then I was like, why are they allowed to say, be gay, do crime, and we can't say don't be gay?

00:18:17.000 This is the world we live in even to this day. 0.99

00:18:20.000 People are walking on eggshells around these lunatics. 0.94

00:18:23.000 You know, it's a joke. 1.00

00:18:24.000 We're not literally insulting gay people.

00:18:25.000 It's meant to be an inversion of the left's meme.

00:18:27.000 But there are genuinely people who are concerned.

00:18:30.000 You have to be in that world.

00:18:32.000 Even to this day, it is a cult.

00:18:35.000 And people fear the cult because they're violent.

00:18:37.000 So, you take a look at religious groups.

00:18:41.000 You take a look at...

00:18:42.000 We'll give two examples.

00:18:43.000 You've got Scientology.

00:18:44.000 You've got Islam.

00:18:45.000 There are a lot of people that have talked about how if you're a Scientologist and you speak ill of them, then they come and they do bad things to you.

00:18:50.000 I don't really know a lot about what they do, but you guys have heard stories like that. 0.96

00:18:57.000 Talk some crap about Scientology.

00:18:58.000 They hired me in 2007, me and my girlfriend. 0.98

00:19:00.000 They cast us.

00:19:01.000 We were cast to play married couple.

00:19:03.000 And we went to there and we said, we've been married for five years or whatever.

00:19:06.000 For what?

00:19:07.000 For what?

00:19:07.000 For Scientology, so that they could show people the right to marriage.

00:19:09.000 It was one of their candidates, the right to marriage.

00:19:10.000 They had a lie to promote marriage. 0.97

00:19:12.000 Crazy religion. 0.98

00:19:14.000 So we don't get off point, but then you also have Islam where you've had people who drew pictures of Muhammad get killed. 0.99

00:19:20.000 People will...

00:19:21.000 News organizations don't show Muhammad.

00:19:24.000 South Park did a really great example of this.

00:19:26.000 An episode of South Park depicted Jesus, Muhammad, and I can't remember who else. 0.96

00:19:29.000 Do you guys remember?

00:19:30.000 It was like three people.

00:19:31.000 Buddha? I guess. 0.54

00:19:33.000 Maybe. And then later on, like ten years later, they had already depicted Muhammad in the show, but after the Charlie Hebdo incident, they wanted to bring Muhammad back on the show, and Comedy Central would not let them.

00:19:43.000 So they censored the whole thing, and then when Stan was doing his monologue about what he learned...

00:19:48.000 They just bleeped the whole thing out.

00:19:50.000 Didn't they want to put Muhammad in a bear costume and tell people that it was Muhammad in the bear costume?

00:19:56.000 They wouldn't allow them to show the bear costume that Muhammad was in.

00:20:03.000 And so that's the point.

00:20:04.000 Even to this day, people are still scared of this cult faction.

00:20:09.000 And it's not necessarily because they have the political power to crush you.

00:20:12.000 Right now, Trump has the establishment power.

00:20:14.000 It's because... 0.99

00:20:15.000 They're deranged violent lunatics who will cause you harm and nobody wants to be confrontational.

00:20:19.000 And I think people are also trained over the last eight years to keep their mouth shut and not violate the COVID narrative or other things that get you censored offline.

00:20:28.000 So there's still a lot of this chilling that people are thawing.

00:20:30.000 Do you think it's still thawing or do you think that it's my sense that that's over?

00:20:35.000 And there are people that are extremely enthusiastically saying the taboo things nowadays.

00:20:40.000 I bet it's just like when water boils, part of that water turns into gas first.

00:20:44.000 And then other parts of the water will start to return to gas.

00:20:47.000 That's the heat.

00:20:48.000 You're someone that's already slapped it away and you're like, hot.

00:20:51.000 But some people are still warming up and getting out of that state of mind.

00:20:55.000 Let's jump to this next story from Newsweek.

00:20:56.000 Carrying on this train of thought, Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to the DOJ over leaks.

00:21:03.000 Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard says she's referred two intelligence community professionals to the DOJ over leaks from the Justice Department.

00:21:09.000 She told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that she's planning to refer a third shortly.

00:21:13.000 I look forward to working with the DOJ and the FBI to investigate, terminate, and prosecute these criminals.

00:21:18.000 I love it.

00:21:18.000 Right to jail.

00:21:19.000 Christy Noem said something similar about individuals.

00:21:22.000 They have leakers, and they're going to be investigating and going after these individuals.

00:21:26.000 The Defense Department has come under fire after Pete Hegseth and other top Trump officials engaged in a single group chat.

00:21:32.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:21:33.000 We get it.

00:21:34.000 Gabbard said those who leak classified information will be found and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

00:21:40.000 This is amazing.

00:21:42.000 Because... With the people like that guy, the branch chief from the DOD that James O'Keefe has just exposed, criminally charging them for the crimes they committed.

00:21:52.000 I'm not saying going after whistleblowers.

00:21:54.000 I'm saying if somebody is leaking classified information, you criminally charge them and then let all the other weird woke cultists in the deep state know.

00:22:01.000 You will go to jail all the same for leaking information.

00:22:04.000 That's an important part.

00:22:05.000 It's not just about getting the dude that did the actual, you know, leak the information or whatever.

00:22:10.000 It's about making it clear to other people that might decide, oh, I'm going to take on Trump and I'm going to resist, thinking that it's, you know, 2017 or 2018.

00:22:22.000 This is a different administration.

00:22:24.000 And this administration will prosecute you if you break the law.

00:22:28.000 We will put you in jail.

00:22:30.000 And the evidence is they're prosecuting people and putting them in jail.

00:22:34.000 Or at the very least, they're fining those people and firing them at the minimum.

00:22:39.000 But I would like to see prison time.

00:22:41.000 We were talking on the green room.

00:22:43.000 That's all I'm waiting for.

00:22:44.000 We were like, where's Kash Patel?

00:22:46.000 Why are these people so quiet?

00:22:48.000 I think that they're in there rooting out the leakers right now.

00:22:51.000 There's a lot of turnover.

00:22:55.000 Remember Dan Bongino tweeted about this like maybe a month ago.

00:22:59.000 He said, look, I know there are people that are saying, hey, where's the results?

00:23:02.000 Where's the results?

00:23:03.000 Remember, just because you're not seeing it on the internet doesn't mean it's not happening.

00:23:07.000 Small room with a steel table and a low lamp.

00:23:12.000 And Dan Bongino's leaning in, talking to Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Pete Hegseth, and he says, he slides a piece of paper, pictures on it, and he says, these are the guys we're going after.

00:23:21.000 It's going to take time.

00:23:22.000 They got to investigate.

00:23:23.000 It's been only a few months.

00:23:24.000 So people are expecting scenarios like that where, you know, I assure you it's probably very mundane.

00:23:30.000 Cash is going to walk into the office and Dan's going to be there and be like, oh, can you take a look at this form?

00:23:33.000 And look, it's like, oh, OK, so this guy was leaking to to the press.

00:23:37.000 Like, OK, that's really bad.

00:23:38.000 All right, let's go over this.

00:23:39.000 It's probably very mundane and they're probably working as a lot of paperwork.

00:23:43.000 But also, if you really do think there's a deep state.

00:23:46.000 Yo, Cash and Dan are going to come out and just like, here's a list of names of people we're going after.

00:23:51.000 We've built a case in three months.

00:23:53.000 We walked in the door.

00:23:55.000 We had all the evidence.

00:23:56.000 We were done.

00:23:56.000 Nah, I think they're working on it.

00:23:58.000 I talked with Gorka about this.

00:24:00.000 We're putting that interview up tomorrow.

00:24:02.000 But he was basically like, Cash was a victim of this.

00:24:05.000 And Dan has dedicated himself to weaning out this corruption.

00:24:09.000 It will happen.

00:24:11.000 And I asked him, I was like, you're basically warning the deep state right now.

00:24:16.000 We're coming for you.

00:24:17.000 They know.

00:24:18.000 Of course they know.

00:24:19.000 So I give them all the benefit of the doubt that I can muster up.

00:24:22.000 They've got four years to do something, but I really do expect something to happen within this year.

00:24:29.000 I could see them for two years.

00:24:32.000 I mean, that's the FBI's job is to weed out internal corruption, more or less, solve internal crimes and things.

00:24:38.000 Two years of this.

00:24:39.000 And I'm concerned a little bit about the Trump administration's You know, their whole purview, like, what they're going to be able to accomplish, because then the rest of the time they're just worried about...

00:24:46.000 It's like they're trying just to put out fires.

00:24:48.000 They're trying to fix problems.

00:24:50.000 Bloated governance, mass illegal immigration, which is like, if you let them in illegally, how are we supposed to get them out legally? 0.99

00:24:57.000 You let them in illegally.

00:24:58.000 So Trump's toying with, like, we're not going to even have trials for these people.

00:25:02.000 Did you know that they don't get trials to begin with?

00:25:06.000 Illegal immigrants, do they have to... 1.00

00:25:08.000 I thought that was like immigration courts, no?

00:25:10.000 Immigration court is for people who have visas and came here legally and then are facing an end of their visa or a violation of the terms of their immigration.

00:25:19.000 People who come here illegally, like crossing through the border, get what's called expedited removal.

00:25:23.000 They don't even get a hearing.

00:25:24.000 They are taken.

00:25:26.000 It is determined by ICE.

00:25:28.000 That is the normal legal process.

00:25:29.000 So Donald Trump said, why would we give them trials?

00:25:32.000 We don't have time for that.

00:25:33.000 And the media is twisting it.

00:25:35.000 And trying to create the impression among the American people that trials are a normal thing that happens for all illegal immigrants, which has never been the case.

00:25:41.000 The only people who get the Supreme Court has argued specific hearings for those under the Alien Enemies Act because those people are going to a prison and not simply being deported.

00:25:52.000 Trump still has full authority to deport anybody under expedited removal processes, which is if ICE determines that you're an illegal immigrant.

00:26:00.000 Bye. That's it.

00:26:03.000 Man, if they hadn't all been let in illegally, I'd be much more obsessed with doing illegal extradition, whatever you want to call it.

00:26:13.000 Illegal extradition?

00:26:14.000 No, no, legally getting them out through some legal process.

00:26:16.000 I mean, technically it is, but like one guy to go, they're a terrorist organization, now trust me, now get out of the country.

00:26:22.000 That's why they...

00:26:22.000 That's why they get hearings.

00:26:24.000 And the Trump admin has actually been dropping charges against some of these individuals because it's easier to deport them if they don't do that.

00:26:30.000 The terrorist organization part is secondary.

00:26:32.000 If they're illegally immigrants, get them out. 1.00

00:26:36.000 Put as much pressure on them as you can from as many different ways as you can for either to pick them up, the government can pick them up, or get them to leave.

00:26:46.000 Go after the people that are hiring them so that way they can't work.

00:26:50.000 Put a couple businesses out of business.

00:26:52.000 Because they hired too many illegals, and that'll fix your problem with hiring illegals real quick. 1.00

00:26:58.000 But it's got to happen that way, because there aren't enough...

00:27:01.000 If there has to be a hearing for every single illegal that we want to deport, or that the administration wants to deport, then you're not ever going to deport enough people.

00:27:11.000 You don't have enough courts.

00:27:13.000 It'll take forever.

00:27:14.000 And I don't want kangaroo courts.

00:27:15.000 That's why they're doing it.

00:27:16.000 That's why they're doing it.

00:27:18.000 And so the Trump administration, Donald Trump...

00:27:21.000 Didn't say, I am ending the standard prex of trials for illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:27:25.000 He said, we don't do this.

00:27:27.000 We've never done this.

00:27:28.000 Why would we do it now?

00:27:29.000 And the New York Times falsely framed it and manipulated the context. 0.99

00:27:32.000 And they've got Democrats coming out saying Trump is trying to take criminal trials away from people, as if he's talking about Americans now, because they're scumbag liars. 0.99

00:27:39.000 And this is all they do. 1.00

00:27:40.000 They lie all day.

00:27:41.000 And if you call them a liar because they're lying, they call you conservative or right wing.

00:27:47.000 You're very far right.

00:27:48.000 Apparently. I'm so far right, I'm far left.

00:27:51.000 Let's dance in the middle somewhere.

00:27:53.000 Left and right these days are...

00:27:55.000 It's true and false.

00:27:56.000 Left is false, right is true.

00:27:57.000 That's it.

00:27:58.000 Like, are you good or evil?

00:27:59.000 Are you lawful or chaotic?

00:28:00.000 That's what I want to know.

00:28:00.000 I think the modern-day conservative is like a 90s Democrat.

00:28:06.000 I understand what you're saying, but I...

00:28:09.000 Colloquially, I don't agree.

00:28:12.000 There are a lot of modern conservatives who are 90s Democrats, but Ben Shapiro...

00:28:17.000 Certainly is not.

00:28:18.000 Stephen Crowder certainly is not.

00:28:20.000 Those guys have some of the biggest platforms in conservative media, and they are staunch conservatives.

00:28:25.000 I think the narrative of the 90s Democrat is largely because of Trump.

00:28:30.000 But if you were to look at the right, the quote-unquote right, and try and figure out what brings them together, how is Jimmy Dore far-right?

00:28:38.000 I'm not kidding.

00:28:39.000 The leftists call him alt-right and far-right.

00:28:41.000 The dude's a literal socialist.

00:28:42.000 He advocates for socialist policy.

00:28:45.000 He's right-wing because he believes in the truth.

00:28:47.000 Because he'll tell you, like, Trump never did that.

00:28:50.000 And then they go, oh, you're defending Trump.

00:28:52.000 And he's like, no, I'm telling you the truth.

00:28:54.000 And they're like, that's right-wing.

00:28:55.000 You know, if you look out into the universe, it's a sphere.

00:28:57.000 We're inside of a sphere.

00:28:58.000 They call it, you can see the cosmic microwave background on this sphere.

00:29:02.000 Everywhere you look, it's the universe.

00:29:03.000 And it's like these people are in a universe of right-wing.

00:29:06.000 And there are this liberal bubble inside this right-wing.

00:29:08.000 So everywhere they look, if it's not in their little bubble, it's right-wing.

00:29:11.000 Exactly. It basically became the woke left and then everybody else.

00:29:16.000 On that other side is conservative.

00:29:19.000 It is.

00:29:20.000 But you know what I think?

00:29:21.000 The woke left is very small, but their sphere, they have control over a lot of people.

00:29:27.000 They've got the megaphone.

00:29:28.000 And the people that are on the left are terrified to speak up because they're scared of being not left.

00:29:34.000 They're so desperate to call themselves left-wing and so scared of being called right-wing.

00:29:38.000 It truly is the epitome of cowardice to fear being called right-wing.

00:29:44.000 The brand right-wing has now been so tarnished. 0.96

00:29:49.000 There are people that associate that with, just say, if you're right-wing, then you must be a fascist.

00:29:54.000 And people associate the term fascist with Nazis.

00:29:56.000 These are all, they're all equivalent in a lot of people's heads.

00:30:01.000 And they're not the same at all.

00:30:04.000 But that's the way, specifically, Center kind of...

00:30:08.000 Center or center-left people, that's the way they perceive it.

00:30:11.000 That's why when the far-left or the left call people Nazis and blah, blah, blah, everyone's terrified of being called those things.

00:30:20.000 I mean, it's just a name like any other insult.

00:30:22.000 But I do think it's waning.

00:30:24.000 I do, too.

00:30:24.000 I agree.

00:30:25.000 More and more, it's like, I don't know what that means.

00:30:28.000 Your race is like, oh. 1.00

00:30:30.000 I don't know what that means. 0.70

00:30:31.000 Like, when they started calling Jewish people Nazis, I was like, I'm confused now.

00:30:37.000 I'm not talking about Zionists, you, you know, the Jewish people.

00:30:41.000 I'm talking about literally, like, they started calling conservative Jewish people in the United States Nazis.

00:30:46.000 And I'm just like, I don't know where you're at.

00:30:50.000 I don't know what you think.

00:30:51.000 You're a cult.

00:30:53.000 It's certainly maddening when they...

00:30:54.000 People are found to put swastikas on other people's cars, and they're like, you're a Nazi, and then they put a swastika on the car.

00:31:00.000 They're like, yo, bro, if you put the swastika on the guy's car, you're the Nazi. 0.83

00:31:04.000 You're the one that's...

00:31:05.000 The point I was making is using force and threat, whatever the imagery is, and then calling someone else a pejorative.

00:31:11.000 The point I was making before is, if they really thought you were a Nazi for having a Tesla, and they spray-painted the swasta on your car...

00:31:18.000 I'm imagining, like, the Nazi walking out of his house being like, hey, what are you doing?

00:31:21.000 And they're like, I'm spraying a swastika on your car.

00:31:23.000 And the Nazi goes, oh. 0.99

00:31:26.000 I didn't have the balls to do it. 0.99

00:31:28.000 Oh, thank you. 0.96

00:31:28.000 I was going to get to it later, but I appreciate you doing it for me. 0.96

00:31:31.000 We'll do it better, because that one looks like crap.

00:31:34.000 But Carl Benjamin made a great point when I tweeted this. 0.97

00:31:37.000 He said the implication in everything they do is that they know you are not a Nazian.

00:31:41.000 And they are doing that to make you angry because you are not.

00:31:45.000 They are basically saying, fall in line or we will other you.

00:31:49.000 And the Zoomers nowadays, they don't care. 1.00

00:31:53.000 They're not afraid of the word racist.

00:31:55.000 They're not afraid of being called Nazi.

00:31:58.000 They do not care at all.

00:32:00.000 The power of those words is totally depleted when it comes to the younger generations.

00:32:07.000 They don't care at all.

00:32:08.000 I think Trump just stopped the war with Iran, too.

00:32:10.000 The Nazis weren't really into stopping wars. 0.64

00:32:13.000 They were really about winning them all and taking as much land as they could.

00:32:17.000 Nazis were definitely a, you know, that's a part of fascism is being fairly militaristic.

00:32:24.000 This is like, okay, so the reality we're in right now, this United States has been hijacked for 100 years by the global banking order, essentially, 1913 Federal Reserve, and then mass illegal immigration.

00:32:34.000 We're in a place where, like, the law paperwork isn't going to solve this problem.

00:32:39.000 Unless you want to say gold's worth $60,000 an ounce, which you guys mentioned last night.

00:32:43.000 What do you think?

00:32:44.000 Do you think Trump should just wartime powers, emergencies, mass deportation, get him out?

00:32:51.000 It's unprecedented, man.

00:32:52.000 It's never happened before.

00:32:54.000 This is a new thing.

00:32:55.000 Because Abe Lincoln, very limited in scope.

00:32:58.000 And there was a different planet back then.

00:32:59.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:32:59.000 20 million illegal immigrants.

00:33:01.000 What are you talking about?

00:33:01.000 Abe Lincoln suspending habeas corpus.

00:33:03.000 That wasn't the only thing he did.

00:33:05.000 He did a lot more than that.

00:33:07.000 He was also literally in a physical war, overseeing a physical war at the time, locally.

00:33:11.000 He was leading the North in the Civil War.

00:33:15.000 Before Abraham Lincoln was actually inaugurated, seven states seceded from the Union.

00:33:22.000 And then Union troops were in Fort Sumter in South Carolina, and they said Union troops evacuate, and the Union refused.

00:33:28.000 So he came in, and under his leadership, a war began.

00:33:34.000 He started the war. 0.91

00:33:35.000 He attacked them because they were trying to leave.

00:33:38.000 No, no, no, no.

00:33:39.000 They attacked the Union.

00:33:41.000 The Union troops were in Fort Sumter claiming it is their federal base and South Carolina said it's our territory and leave.

00:33:47.000 Actually, I don't think we know who fired the first shots.

00:33:49.000 It's kind of like, I'm not touching you.

00:33:50.000 I'm not touching you.

00:33:51.000 That's what the North was doing.

00:33:52.000 My point is, Abraham Lincoln wasn't facing bullets flying in chaos until he decided...

00:34:01.000 It takes two to tango.

00:34:03.000 And I don't think it's fair to say the Union or the South necessarily started the conflict.

00:34:06.000 I know people are going to have their perspectives.

00:34:08.000 My point is that the actions he took were not based upon bullets flying until he took actions which resulted in bullets flying.

00:34:14.000 So you could say that refusing to leave Fort Sumter initiated conflict or – because we don't know who actually fired the first shot.

00:34:21.000 Then you have the Battle of Bull Run.

00:34:22.000 The point is that dude did a lot of stuff, and basically everything he did was unprecedented and unconstitutional.

00:34:27.000 Trump, with his wartime power thing, it's – I thought that the cartels were like a foreign terrorist organization, an insurgency in the country, like we should, you know, militarily defend against it if we need to, because they've been attacking us with drugs and human trafficking, fentanyl,

00:34:43.000 running kids across the border for sale, and other horrible things.

00:34:47.000 I don't know, but this is what I've heard.

00:34:49.000 So like, yeah, and the war in Ukraine, technically we're not at war, but you could consider our country at war since we've been funding this war in Ukraine.

00:34:56.000 We're at war.

00:34:56.000 We have been at war since the Ukraine thing kicked off.

00:34:59.000 Since we started, since we've been funding it.

00:35:02.000 But how hard do you take it?

00:35:04.000 Because the whole world's watching.

00:35:05.000 Everything's being recorded.

00:35:06.000 Whatever he does will be precedent for what comes next.

00:35:09.000 So if Joe Rogan had this clip from one of his last shows, and he was basically saying, there's a lot of people saying, just round them up, get them all out there, send them all to El Salvador, and it's wrong.

00:35:22.000 Because what happens when the next president gets in?

00:35:24.000 Well, Joe is wrong.

00:35:25.000 Joe is right about the fact that we can't just round people up and send them all off without due process, right?

00:35:30.000 But I think Joe doesn't understand, one, the due process for illegal immigrants is literally ICE checks your information and then you leave.

00:35:38.000 You don't get a hearing.

00:35:39.000 This is not normal.

00:35:40.000 Not every illegal immigrant gets hearings.

00:35:43.000 That's the due process.

00:35:44.000 The due process is, are you a citizen?

00:35:45.000 No. Goodbye.

00:35:46.000 They, like, give them a chance to go to their house and collect their stuff and then they're like...

00:35:49.000 Not expedited removals.

00:35:51.000 Okay. Some...

00:35:53.000 If you enter illegally or with forged documents, it's expedited removal.

00:35:56.000 You don't get a hearing.

00:35:57.000 If you're here legally and then violate the terms of immigration, you can get a hearing. 0.95

00:36:00.000 You can appeal.

00:36:01.000 And then you've got for the AEA, which is accusing you of actually being part of a criminal organization, a terrorist organization.

00:36:10.000 The Supreme Court says you must have an actual hearing for that.

00:36:12.000 So if you want to get an appeal, it has to be you are actually arguing that your legal immigration status is being wrongfully terminated or something.

00:36:20.000 But here's the problem with what Joe is saying.

00:36:23.000 This idea of the next president is going to do it to you?

00:36:28.000 They already did.

00:36:30.000 The Biden administration stripped J6s of their due process rights, imprisoning people.

00:36:35.000 The judges were denying their access to evidence.

00:36:37.000 They were wrongly charged on false statutes.

00:36:42.000 Let's just say this.

00:36:44.000 Of the J6s who were charged for obstructing an official proceeding, which I believe was maybe 20% or so or less, That charge was wrong.

00:36:54.000 The Supreme Court said you can't charge him with that.

00:36:57.000 That's a violation of their due process.

00:36:59.000 They were denied access to the surveillance footage from the Capitol.

00:37:02.000 41,000 hours was withheld for years with these people sitting in solitary confinement.

00:37:07.000 That means every single J6-er had their due process rights violated because they're supposed to have constitutionally access to the evidence. 1.00

00:37:16.000 And it was denied to them until the Republicans got in and gave the tapes to Tucker Carlson.

00:37:22.000 Then they were able to give the evidence.

00:37:24.000 So the Biden administration has, the Democrats can and will violate your rights the moment they get power.

00:37:32.000 So the question is, what is the Trump administration going to do right now?

00:37:36.000 And it looks like they're going after leakers, and I'm hoping Cash and Dan actually do their jobs.

00:37:40.000 But let's jump to this next story from Politico.

00:37:43.000 Doge loses its biggest advocate as Musk exits Washington.

00:37:48.000 I don't know if I believe it.

00:37:50.000 Elon Musk claimed that his job in Washington is mostly done, may calm Tesla shareholders, but his departure could snap the Doge of its disruptive energy, even as it continues to make major cuts to the federal workforce.

00:38:01.000 In an effort to reassure rattled Tesla shareholders after a bruising first quarter, Musk told investors this week that his round-the-clock involvement in Doge will soon be scaled back to just a day or two per week.

00:38:12.000 The message to the markets was clear.

00:38:14.000 Musk is refocusing on his companies.

00:38:16.000 He's doing the math.

00:38:16.000 So he's a special government employee, which means he's allowed to work 130 days a year.

00:38:21.000 So he's already put in 90. He's got like 40 more days he's actually allowed to work.

00:38:25.000 So that's what he's doing.

00:38:25.000 He's spreading out those days over the next year.

00:38:28.000 He's going to come in once a week, check things out.

00:38:30.000 How many days?

00:38:31.000 130. We're on what?

00:38:33.000 Day 92?

00:38:34.000 93? If he officially started on the 20th of January, yeah.

00:38:38.000 Just about that.

00:38:39.000 I didn't do the math exactly.

00:38:41.000 But he knows he's coming up.

00:38:43.000 We've already passed the first 100 days.

00:38:45.000 And if he's worked since Trump has been in office, he's definitely passed the first 100 days.

00:38:51.000 Okay. It makes sense that now he's stepping...

00:38:53.000 I thought that.

00:38:55.000 It's 94 days.

00:38:56.000 94 days?

00:38:56.000 Yeah, we're at 94. And Elon started almost immediately.

00:39:01.000 So he's still got a couple months.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, he's got about another 30...

00:39:05.000 30 days to work, so he's gonna spread that out.

00:39:07.000 He's been saying that, like, May is when he was planning on leaving anyways.

00:39:10.000 So it's close.

00:39:11.000 It's around the time that he's been talking about leaving.

00:39:14.000 So he wasn't gonna be there for, you know, extended periods of time.

00:39:18.000 I don't know how he takes care of all those kids.

00:39:21.000 I don't think he does.

00:39:22.000 Someone else.

00:39:23.000 I don't think that's going on right now.

00:39:25.000 I'm like, I got one.

00:39:27.000 Yeah. You know, and, you know, my wife is working extremely hard. 0.53

00:39:32.000 And I'm working 10 hours a day, but I'm helping with what I can.

00:39:35.000 And how do you do more than one at a time?

00:39:38.000 I mean, maybe once the first one's a little bit older and can help with the other one.

00:39:41.000 But Elon's got 14 known kids.

00:39:43.000 14 kids now?

00:39:44.000 I think it's 14. He's got a lot of nannies.

00:39:48.000 And he's also like, the mothers take care of the kids.

00:39:52.000 Grimes takes care of the kids that Elon has, if I understand, except for X. Elon's...

00:40:00.000 One of the mothers is an executive at Neuralink, I believe, and she's in Texas with him.

00:40:06.000 Then there's random other ones.

00:40:09.000 I gotta say, as much as I do appreciate the tech work that he does, the Doge work that he does, you know, we'll do a compliment sandwich here.

00:40:18.000 Elon's SpaceX is fantastic.

00:40:19.000 This work is transformative and it's great for humanity.

00:40:22.000 Then we're going to...

00:40:22.000 I think his kids statistically will be drug users and criminals based on the fact that they don't have a dad.

00:40:27.000 And then we'll finally say Tesla is an amazing company.

00:40:29.000 I'm a huge fan.

00:40:29.000 I own three.

00:40:30.000 So we'll give him a compliment.

00:40:31.000 Something he said about his oldest...

00:40:33.000 Was it his oldest kid?

00:40:34.000 He said that his son or his daughter became a...

00:40:38.000 Transition. And then he said it was the woke mind virus had killed his child.

00:40:44.000 And he was saying, like, my child is dead.

00:40:46.000 He was saying things like that.

00:40:47.000 And that's like...

00:40:49.000 Firstly, parents don't say that about their kids unless you're not really their parent.

00:40:53.000 That's okay to say, though, because...

00:40:54.000 They don't want you to what's called dead name them.

00:40:58.000 So once they've made the transition, their old name is the dead name of them.

00:41:03.000 And if you use it, it's offensive to them.

00:41:05.000 So Elon is technically correct there in saying that his son is dead.

00:41:09.000 But that's like him accepting this narrative that my new name is real and my old name is no longer...

00:41:14.000 It's like, bro, you're both, dude.

00:41:16.000 You're still you.

00:41:17.000 That's not how trans people think. 1.00

00:41:19.000 And also that there's so much animosity between...

00:41:23.000 Elon's trans child and Elon, it's not my business or whatever to comment on, but he's spoken very, very critically, or they've both spoken very critically of each other.

00:41:35.000 I feel horrible trashing on anything Elon's doing because I'm with you on this, Tim.

00:41:39.000 He's a phenomenal human being.

00:41:41.000 And a lot of the great people in history aren't known for their awesome personalities. 0.96

00:41:45.000 They were dickheads or they were horrible, abusive, raging, alcoholic, violent. 0.84

00:41:48.000 But they did amazing things for society. 0.99

00:41:51.000 A lot of war leaders.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, you praise the good.

00:41:54.000 You criticize the bad.

00:41:55.000 I mean, Trump's not known for being a strong family man, but he's got a good family.

00:41:58.000 I mean, like.

00:42:00.000 I don't know how many baby mamas he's got, but...

00:42:02.000 Right, he's routinely criticized.

00:42:04.000 How many Trump kids are really out there?

00:42:06.000 Well, you know, I think, how many, he's got, what, five kids?

00:42:09.000 I thought this today.

00:42:10.000 But his kids are actually all pretty great, to be completely honest.

00:42:12.000 Yeah. Like, having met them, they're successful, smart, well-rounded.

00:42:16.000 So he's done a good job, despite the fact, I will say this, I believe that you should be married once, you should not get divorced, you should have kids, and you work together with your partner.

00:42:25.000 I'm not a fan of divorce or multiple baby moms. 0.97

00:42:27.000 Well, I was thinking about it today in this product, because I listened to you talk more about that on the show that you were like, Death before dishonor, and you pulled up the ring of power. 0.99

00:42:33.000 I was like, fuck yeah. 0.98

00:42:35.000 The ring of power. 1.00

00:42:36.000 My wedding ring.

00:42:39.000 Elon says the world needs more people.

00:42:42.000 Okay, on its face, yeah, I guess. 0.97

00:42:44.000 But we don't need more psychopaths.

00:42:46.000 So poorly raised children that can turn violent are actually worse for the planet. 0.98

00:42:50.000 With the mental powers of Elon Musk. 0.95

00:42:52.000 Oh my gosh.

00:42:53.000 You still need a foundation as a kid, though.

00:42:55.000 Even if your dad's Elon Musk, you need...

00:42:57.000 That foundation to be secure for yourself.

00:43:00.000 Otherwise, you have 14, you know, half Elon Musks that didn't have a dad.

00:43:05.000 Wouldn't it be like a wild story if Elon's transgender son ended up becoming like a very prominent political leader with millions of followers rivaling the influence of Elon? 0.99

00:43:15.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:43:16.000 He's created... 1.00

00:43:17.000 Don't give him any ideas.

00:43:19.000 My father's property.

00:43:20.000 The left will do that tomorrow. 0.90

00:43:21.000 I'm not saying that his kids are psychopaths. 0.73

00:43:23.000 I'm not saying that.

00:43:24.000 I'm just saying kids without parents turn out to be...

00:43:27.000 Generally, have a rougher existence of the world.

00:43:29.000 Higher likelihood without a father specifically to be a criminal or drug user.

00:43:33.000 That was the point I was making earlier.

00:43:35.000 And I don't think we necessarily need more fatherless.

00:43:37.000 I mean, in a world where there's no kids and it's a tribe of nine of us, yeah, have as many kids as you possibly can whether you see them again or not.

00:43:44.000 Like a fish in the water.

00:43:45.000 Maybe that's Elon's mentality considering the fertility is at like 1.3.

00:43:51.000 And this is a huge problem.

00:43:54.000 He's like, I'll take care of it.

00:43:55.000 Here's 14. I mean, hey, he's pulling his weight.

00:43:59.000 You know, I guess pomp and circumstances out the window when you're dealing with the extinction of humanity.

00:44:08.000 Let's be real.

00:44:10.000 It really does, on the surface, look like Elon's principal concern for everything is human extinction.

00:44:14.000 That's why he wants to colonize Mars and why he wants many, many babies.

00:44:19.000 He's like, there's not enough humans.

00:44:21.000 Population is shrinking.

00:44:22.000 I'm going to do everything I can.

00:44:23.000 So he has tons of babies.

00:44:24.000 Then he goes, if the Earth gets hit by an asteroid or something, humanity is wiped out, so we've got to colonize Mars so we're interplanetary so we can't go extinct.

00:44:31.000 And he's like, my kids first.

00:44:33.000 So that's been his whole agenda the whole time.

00:44:36.000 It's like, I'm going to make a bunch of babies, then send them to space.

00:44:39.000 And then it's like, not Mars anymore.

00:44:41.000 It's like, Elon Musk, Mars.

00:44:43.000 Wouldn't that be kind of creepy, but also really funny if the first ship to Mars...

00:44:49.000 He just abruptly at the last minute puts all of his kids on it and then sends it to Mars.

00:44:54.000 And they're like, wait, those people weren't on the flight manifest.

00:44:56.000 What are you doing?

00:44:57.000 And he's like, my kids will survive.

00:44:58.000 And they go to Mars.

00:44:59.000 Then he just has like a whole bunch of musks. 0.95

00:45:01.000 Like there's like 40 kids on Mars.

00:45:03.000 All related to him.

00:45:04.000 The Optimus robots taking care of them.

00:45:06.000 Yeah. That's actually pretty crazy.

00:45:09.000 If we get those Optimus robots, like the Atlas robots, if we get autonomous robots...

00:45:14.000 Send them to Mars.

00:45:15.000 They can just start building.

00:45:16.000 Well, that's what his plan is.

00:45:18.000 He literally said that the end of next year, his plan is to have a starship with Optimus robots go to Mars.

00:45:25.000 That's his goal.

00:45:25.000 I don't know if he's going to make it, because there's only, I think it's every two years, is there a window to actually get to Mars.

00:45:31.000 So if he misses this one, it's going to be another three years from now until they can actually make another attempt.

00:45:39.000 Didn't he offer, was it like...

00:45:41.000 $15 million something?

00:45:43.000 What was that story to Ashley St. Clair?

00:45:45.000 I was thinking about her just now.

00:45:47.000 He just posted today that we haven't been to Mars in like 55. Sorry, we haven't been to the moon.

00:45:56.000 We haven't been to the moon in 50 however many years it's been.

00:46:00.000 55, something like that.

00:46:04.000 That's been my thing with Elon.

00:46:06.000 I'm like, why don't you just go to the moon?

00:46:08.000 Well, exactly.

00:46:09.000 I'm, like, thinking, like, I'm not, because I'm saying, why doesn't he try to go to the moon first?

00:46:15.000 Why doesn't he just return to where we've been?

00:46:17.000 That is the plan.

00:46:18.000 The plan is to establish a base on the moon, which is the launching point for the trips to Mars.

00:46:23.000 That'd be cool, because we can build a space elevator on the moon first, according to Michael Lane, who runs Liftport, who's been working on a space elevator for 15 years out of NASA.

00:46:31.000 He said that the lunar gravity is so much lower that you can actually get a geosynchronous orbital platform up there and get a tether down to the lunar surface.

00:46:40.000 And then what happens is, like, here's the moon, here's the Earth, and there's a tether.

00:46:43.000 But the tether isn't connected to the Earth.

00:46:45.000 So as the moon spins around, there's this gigantic 30-foot-wide cable that just swings at, like, 500 miles an hour, just slamming into everything and just ripping it to shreds and destroying it.

00:46:56.000 Sick.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, you don't want to get snapped by that thing.

00:47:01.000 I don't know how this elevator actually would work.

00:47:03.000 It would be like a platform with then...

00:47:05.000 It's more complex than this, but you could look up space elevator to get a good look.

00:47:09.000 And then literally a tether down to a base station where it's tethered because it's held in space.

00:47:13.000 It would actually be like a relatively small cable.

00:47:16.000 Or a series of cables.

00:47:17.000 I kind of envision like 60 different cables with 60 different elevators all going up and down.

00:47:21.000 Is the platform like moving 1,000 miles an hour through the atmosphere?

00:47:24.000 It's moving at exactly the same speed.

00:47:25.000 They call it geosynchronous because it's at the same speed of the rotation of the planet.

00:47:29.000 So basically it's just floating.

00:47:31.000 Exactly. And you just, like, do you take a ship up to it?

00:47:34.000 Yeah, an elevator of some sort.

00:47:35.000 You could use ballast.

00:47:36.000 It's connected to the Earth.

00:47:37.000 Wouldn't it have to be moving faster to stay over the same spot?

00:47:41.000 Probably, yeah.

00:47:41.000 Moving at a different speed to maintain orbital.

00:47:43.000 But is it connected to the moon?

00:47:44.000 Yeah. By a tether, yeah.

00:47:46.000 So we're literally, you're saying we're connecting the moon to the Earth?

00:47:49.000 No, no.

00:47:50.000 The moon to a platform above the moon, about 30 miles up or something.

00:47:53.000 And then...

00:47:54.000 Then there'll be eventually a platform above Earth with a tether down to the Earth.

00:47:57.000 So you'd go from platform to platform.

00:47:59.000 So you wouldn't have to get through gravity every time you launch.

00:48:02.000 Oh, I see.

00:48:03.000 So we have, like, on Earth, there's a massive tower that goes into space?

00:48:05.000 Yeah. Probably, like, I think 60 different elevators all at once.

00:48:09.000 So it'd be a huge, like, you know, football field, 10 football field size place in Mexico or something where it's close enough, right at the right position.

00:48:17.000 There's areas of Earth where geosynchronicity becomes viable.

00:48:21.000 Like, and they're usually just above and below the equator.

00:48:24.000 So, like, Mexico would be a good spot.

00:48:27.000 That's why we do our launches out of Florida.

00:48:28.000 Closer to the equator is better.

00:48:29.000 More speed.

00:48:30.000 I've been, ever since Civilization, when I saw the space elevator, it's one of the wonders you could build.

00:48:35.000 I didn't even, never heard of it.

00:48:36.000 So, we're going to do that on the moon.

00:48:39.000 My daughter is going to, I was explaining this to my wife, that one of her homeschooling assignments is going to be one hour of Civilization 4 every day. 0.93

00:48:47.000 Yeah. I heard the new one's terrible.

00:48:48.000 Leonard Nimoy explaining science and math.

00:48:51.000 To my child.

00:48:52.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:48:54.000 The new one apparently is no good.

00:48:55.000 I was just thinking about Ashley St. Clair again.

00:48:57.000 Do you guys want to?

00:48:58.000 I feel like violating her privacy.

00:48:59.000 Here we go.

00:49:00.000 We got this story from the New York Times.

00:49:02.000 What is dark woke?

00:49:05.000 Democrats are trying on a new attitude.

00:49:06.000 It's provocative, edgy, and perilously towing the line of not being too offensive.

00:49:11.000 In other words, cringe.

00:49:12.000 Cringe. Basically, the dark woke videos is literally just them cussing.

00:49:19.000 Like, because they don't understand authenticity.

00:49:22.000 Quote, Republicans have essentially put Democrats in a respectability prison, says Bavik Lathia, communications consultant and former digital director for the Wisconsin Democratic Party.

00:49:30.000 There's an extreme imbalance in strategy that allows Republicans to say stuff that really grabs voters' attention, where we're stuck saying boring pablum.

00:49:38.000 I see this as a strategic shift within the Democratic messaging.

00:49:40.000 I'm a big fan of dark woke.

00:49:42.000 Okay, let me, it's a dark woke.

00:49:44.000 Okay, let me explain something to you.

00:49:46.000 When I say something like, If I criticize Elon, Elon still follows me.

00:49:53.000 And if I criticize a prominent conservative, they just debate me.

00:49:56.000 But on the left, when you disagree with them, they destroy your life.

00:49:59.000 So that means there's more opportunity for people on the right to experiment with, to say their ideas.

00:50:05.000 Not even experiment.

00:50:06.000 But someone on the right can say something like, I think we should build an alligator moat on the border.

00:50:12.000 If a conservative came out right now and said, I'm dead serious, I want an alligator moat along the southern border. 0.89

00:50:18.000 No one's going to cancel that person.

00:50:20.000 If on the left, you said something more extreme, like we should just cut out all of the trans stuff because it's hurting us politically, they will cancel you. 0.93

00:50:29.000 This is the problem with the left, not swearing. 0.99

00:50:31.000 So now you've got all these videos where one woman's screaming, this is bullshit, and she's in Congress saying BS over and over again. 0.99

00:50:38.000 That's not authenticity. 0.99

00:50:40.000 They're trying to appear like they're normal people by swearing instead of just saying what people think.

00:50:45.000 So I've got to tell you.

00:50:46.000 When people all kind of think something and you say it, they laugh and go, yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

00:50:50.000 But if they're thinking of something and then you lie to them and then swear, they don't all of a sudden just agree with you.

00:50:57.000 One of the things that's a good point, a great point, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. 0.99

00:51:04.000 You catch more flies with shit. 0.99

00:51:06.000 That's also probably true, I think. 1.00

00:51:09.000 This is a fascinating thing about Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan's show.

00:51:12.000 I watched about an hour of it.

00:51:14.000 Jordan was saying the...

00:51:15.000 He's thinking about tyranny a lot, and he's like, what's the opposite of tyranny?

00:51:18.000 And he came up with, it's play.

00:51:20.000 It's play.

00:51:21.000 It's playing.

00:51:23.000 That's where it's consensual, and it brings about this kind of growth for people.

00:51:29.000 Kids do it.

00:51:29.000 And I think that's what's on the right in the conservative movement.

00:51:32.000 It's fun.

00:51:33.000 It's playful.

00:51:34.000 Even Donald Trump is playful.

00:51:35.000 He winks and points at people.

00:51:36.000 He's not taking anything too seriously.

00:51:38.000 Like, deathly serious, of course.

00:51:39.000 Deadly serious, because it's the world.

00:51:42.000 Is prostrate in front of us Americans.

00:51:44.000 We need to help.

00:51:45.000 But they're also having fun.

00:51:47.000 And on the left, in this other environment, it's like, it's just not okay to have fun right now because everybody's hurting and we need to just suffer with me.

00:51:55.000 Bro, you need to get out of that tyrannical mindset.

00:51:58.000 They don't know how to relate.

00:51:59.000 They're just so detached from the real world that this is the kind of stuff that they come up with.

00:52:04.000 And it's usually a weird spinoff of like, Dark came from Dark Brandon.

00:52:09.000 And then they took...

00:52:10.000 Was it Dark Brandon?

00:52:12.000 Yeah. And then...

00:52:13.000 But the conservative right came up with the dark thing.

00:52:18.000 And then they took it and turned it...

00:52:20.000 Oh, Dark Mega.

00:52:21.000 It was Dark Mega.

00:52:22.000 Dark Mega.

00:52:22.000 And then it became Dark Brandon.

00:52:24.000 Yep. And they put the laser eyes on Joe Biden.

00:52:27.000 And now they're turning it into Dark Wook.

00:52:29.000 And they think that that's relatable.

00:52:32.000 Indeed it's not.

00:52:33.000 We're going to say cuss words now.

00:52:34.000 This one was popular.

00:52:36.000 Use it again.

00:52:37.000 Yeah. No, it's not.

00:52:39.000 You've got to actually play.

00:52:40.000 You've got to show that there's joy at the other side of the road, man, or no one's going to walk away.

00:52:44.000 We don't know what joy is, though.

00:52:45.000 That's the thing.

00:52:46.000 Like those people that are like, aren't you feeling joy?

00:52:49.000 Aren't you feeling joy?

00:52:51.000 Praise God!

00:52:52.000 This is what I was saying about Jimmy Dore in the previous segment.

00:52:55.000 He's right wing.

00:52:56.000 It's like, why is he, why are the left called Jimmy Dore right?

00:53:01.000 Because he's outside their bubble.

00:53:02.000 Because he's talking about what is true and what is not.

00:53:04.000 It's not about whether you're for laissez-faire capitalism or socialism or racial identitarianism or whatever, be it left or right or anti-white or pro-white.

00:53:15.000 It's literally, do you march in lockstep with us or not?

00:53:18.000 So to be authentic and on the right, you can literally give any opinion so long as your facts are rooted in reality because that's what tethers the right together.

00:53:29.000 Oh, yes, Trump did not say very fine people.

00:53:32.000 You know, he didn't call Nazis very fine people.

00:53:34.000 That never happened.

00:53:35.000 You can then criticize him saying, I don't think he did enough in response to this.

00:53:39.000 And the response from a conservative is going to say, well, I disagree.

00:53:41.000 I think he did what he could by condemning it and people are allowed to protest.

00:53:43.000 No, no, you're wrong.

00:53:44.000 But we agree on what the fact is.

00:53:46.000 And the fact is Trump never said that.

00:53:48.000 To the left, how do you have an authentic conversation when you have to maintain lies and everyone else knows you're lying?

00:53:55.000 You're going to come out and say Trump was wrong for saying Nazis are fine people.

00:53:58.000 And they're going to go, he never said that.

00:54:00.000 Well, you're a right wing.

00:54:02.000 Why are you defending Trump?

00:54:03.000 And it's like, because this is not true.

00:54:05.000 Well, that's what I was asking about with that first guy that was on recorded for O'Keefe Media, is when he says what he says about Trump fixing the election, or he's trying to overthrow the election, he's taking a narrative that was all agreed upon on that side.

00:54:23.000 And feeding it some more.

00:54:25.000 And that's why I'm like, do they just have a psychological thing in them that says, okay, this is the narrative now, and I will stick with it, even in personal one-on-one conversations, and we'll just keep pretending that this is the narrative.

00:54:38.000 Or, how does it get there?

00:54:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:42.000 I think that's it.

00:54:43.000 They just slide into the narrative and go.

00:54:46.000 My food from, so I'm going to defend anything you tell me to say.

00:54:49.000 This guy's just trying to get laid?

00:54:51.000 There's that too.

00:54:52.000 Yeah. Imagine talking about subverting the will of the American people and potentially committing crimes because you're trying to hook up with some chick. 0.96

00:54:58.000 Hey, baby.

00:55:00.000 That's the joke about James O'Keefe.

00:55:02.000 We always bring up, it's like, these guys think they're going to get some by going like, hey, you want to hear about some corporate malfeasance I'm involved in?

00:55:10.000 Yeah. No?

00:55:12.000 I think it's like a form of, I don't know if psychopathy is the right word, psychopathy.

00:55:15.000 It's a buzzword these days, you know, Jordan talking about psychopaths, but that...

00:55:19.000 He's just talking about Candace Owens and he's mad at it.

00:55:21.000 We've got to get into states of psychopathy to do certain behaviors like wartime, warfighting.

00:55:26.000 If you believe your neighborhood is going to be destroyed by some external tribe and they're going to kill everyone you know and you, you have to go fight them. 0.58

00:55:34.000 That's ancient history and you have to be the most ruthless, aggressive to stop it. 0.83

00:55:40.000 You've got to switch your brain and be like, they're bad.

00:55:43.000 What I am is good because it will preserve life.

00:55:47.000 Phenomenon still exists in humanity.

00:55:49.000 And I think it's showing up in people like this.

00:55:51.000 They're like, they create this narrative or narrative is foist upon them.

00:55:56.000 And then they think this good and evil binary, you know, fight or flight.

00:56:01.000 It's like a, it's a very primal.

00:56:04.000 Yeah. Well, a lot of what happened and where we're at now with stuff like this is, you mentioned Jimmy Dore.

00:56:11.000 He became right throughout COVID.

00:56:14.000 And that Nazi narrative came out.

00:56:17.000 It was hammered every day.

00:56:19.000 If you don't adhere to the COVID narrative, then you are on that side.

00:56:26.000 And that side turned into conservative right wing.

00:56:30.000 And so I can tell you from going to so many rallies and events that were against those times, those events were filled with people from every side of the coin.

00:56:42.000 And it was a mix of people.

00:56:44.000 It wasn't a conservative right event.

00:56:48.000 Democrats, libertarians, we're coming together for a common cause.

00:56:52.000 But the left is dictating who, or in this context, the left is dictating who is and is not a right-wing, and essentially they're just saying that it's people that don't align with us, that don't follow our, whether it be the liberal orthodoxy like Tim talks about,

00:57:10.000 whether it's the...

00:57:14.000 They don't follow the same kind of lockstep with the same kind of ideas and stuff.

00:57:19.000 That's why you saw people at these rallies that were so very different, you know.

00:57:24.000 Politically, from different backgrounds, it was just someone that stepped out of line.

00:57:29.000 And so now Jimmy Dore steps out of line, so they say, you're other, you're outside of, you're not in our in-group anymore, so we'll call you all the names.

00:57:37.000 But there's no substance to anything they're talking about.

00:57:40.000 So the question is, where does that come from?

00:57:43.000 What's the genesis of that, when those narratives come through?

00:57:47.000 Who came up with woke, dark, what is this, dark, woke? 1.00

00:57:51.000 Someone who's an idiot. 1.00

00:57:52.000 That came from somewhere, though, right? 1.00

00:57:54.000 It came from the Dark Brandon memes.

00:57:58.000 Apparently they feel like that worked.

00:58:00.000 It's just derivative.

00:58:01.000 It was Dark MAGA and it was Trump with glowing red eyes.

00:58:04.000 And they're like, yeah, well, we're Dark Brandon.

00:58:06.000 And now it's Dark Woke.

00:58:07.000 They're just ripping off the right every day.

00:58:09.000 What people need to realize is that the left didn't know how to meme.

00:58:13.000 Like, when memes emerged, it was all right-wing.

00:58:18.000 Because right-wing people didn't care about offending anybody.

00:58:21.000 To a certain degree, that Democrats were too afraid to offend people.

00:58:24.000 So this means that online, people were making Pepe memes, and some were extremely offensive intentionally, and people thought it was funny to be shockingly offensive.

00:58:33.000 And the left was like, we can't do that.

00:58:35.000 We can't do that.

00:58:36.000 So then all the memes started emerging, came out of 4chan, and the Donald was the name of the subreddit.

00:58:43.000 That's where memes were largely originating from.

00:58:45.000 The left has started to learn how to meme a little bit by attacking the right.

00:58:50.000 But it is derivative of memes the right created a long time ago.

00:58:54.000 Like Wojax, for instance, were a 4chan thing largely, and they're now trying to adopt that.

00:59:00.000 It's all derivative.

00:59:01.000 They can't come up with anything original.

00:59:02.000 They are NPC Muppets that are struggling to figure out what they represent.

00:59:07.000 And that's why the party has no leadership.

00:59:10.000 Yeah, if you ask someone to prove some of the stuff they say about Trump, and their evidence is the TV told me.

00:59:16.000 That's not very good.

00:59:17.000 And I think what's happening is they're defending what they think is the American way of life, whatever.

00:59:21.000 They think that if we just hold on to this narrative that we're being told, everything will continue on as normal.

00:59:27.000 But do you think we can have American hegemony, or maybe even should, in a world where we don't control and manipulate people with the media aggressively like they have been for 100 years?

00:59:37.000 Can we?

00:59:39.000 A genuine question to all you guys.

00:59:41.000 I don't know.

00:59:41.000 Without manipulating the populace to fall in line, can you actually have statehood hegemony?

00:59:46.000 Well, you need—it used to be church.

00:59:51.000 The church was largely aligned, and everybody went to church, so they lived in a similar moral worldview.

00:59:58.000 Now, with mass media, you had the big broadcast towers, and everyone lived in a similar moral worldview.

01:00:04.000 There were a lot of voices and dissidents.

01:00:06.000 They just didn't have an opportunity to broadcast.

01:00:07.000 They'd flyer and stuff.

01:00:08.000 But now we're in the decentralized media space, and creepos and crackpots are finding— Ways to build community and spread a message that is disruptive to the United States.

01:00:19.000 The problem the U.S. has is that, you know, when we were hearing about this narrative about Russia and how it was propping up Trump in this first term, largely not true.

01:00:29.000 And I'd say, arguing based on the evidence from the DOJ and all that stuff that the Democrats were putting out, $100,000 in total was spent on trying to influence various people and they had a few Facebook pages that weren't particularly successful.

01:00:42.000 However... I think if you were to actually break it down...

01:01:11.000 And you went to, like, Hassan Piker, for instance.

01:01:14.000 I'd be willing to bet he has a larger percentage of foreign followers than, say, Stephen Crowder does.

01:01:19.000 Stephen Crowder's followers are probably almost entirely American.

01:01:22.000 And Hassan probably has a decent spattering of European, Canadian, Middle Eastern followers as well.

01:01:27.000 Especially with the Israel commentary that he has, I'd be willing to bet that he's got a substantial portion of his viewerships coming from the Middle East.

01:01:34.000 From, like, Arabic and Muslim.

01:01:35.000 Hassan is his name, which may, he's Turkish, I think, descent.

01:01:38.000 So maybe there's that too.

01:01:40.000 Total assumption.

01:01:41.000 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

01:01:42.000 He's Turkish.

01:01:42.000 Let's jump to this clip, ladies and gentlemen.

01:01:44.000 I have bad news.

01:01:45.000 I'm a freak.

01:01:46.000 I'm a freak.

01:01:47.000 Scott Jennings has the clip.

01:01:48.000 He says, Well, normally I wouldn't want to watch CNN,

01:02:05.000 but Jeff Jarvis, who I know...

01:02:07.000 Who is, I would consider him to be an ideological-driven individual, an activist, masquerading as a journalist, is calling the White House press a freak show the night that I, the day that I went there, he goes on TV and then says it's a freak show.

01:02:21.000 Here's the clip.

01:02:22.000 The problem is that the right wing, hello Scott, has taken advantage of this situation, I think, quite cleverly, quite wisely.

01:02:33.000 They've played into a weakness.

01:02:35.000 What situation?

01:02:36.000 The situation of media being under attack.

01:02:38.000 And so they've created a situation where...

01:02:41.000 You've almost got it.

01:02:41.000 Keep going.

01:02:43.000 What the right wing is taking advantage of is finally the American people saying enough is enough.

01:02:49.000 They're tired of feeling like the mass media screens out one viewpoint.

01:02:54.000 Versus another in political coverage.

01:02:56.000 They're tired of media institutions favoring one party over another.

01:03:00.000 They're tired of narratives over factual stories.

01:03:03.000 If I had any advice for 60 Minutes or anybody else, it would be just cover the news and try to be fair about it and stop putting your finger on the scale, especially during...

01:03:13.000 You're talking about the old mass media myth.

01:03:18.000 That you could have this thing that was in the middle.

01:03:20.000 The Walter Cronkite saying, that's the way it is, when it wasn't for many Americans the way it was.

01:03:24.000 When people were pissed off.

01:03:25.000 People back in those days trusted the media, did they not?

01:03:27.000 No, they just couldn't be heard.

01:03:28.000 Because there was no two-way.

01:03:30.000 Now we have the internet, and now we can talk.

01:03:31.000 Look at the Gallup polling.

01:03:32.000 It was here, and now it's here.

01:03:34.000 It's fallen off of a cliff.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, we do have that Gallup polling about trust in media.

01:03:39.000 And now, as in recent years...

01:03:42.000 Let's be honest, Scott, a lot of this is driven by the rhetoric on either side of the aisle.

01:03:47.000 You think it's driven by the rhetoric and not the performance?

01:03:50.000 Absolutely. Well, I actually agree with Heavy Phillips, it's driven by the rhetoric, the rhetoric of truth.

01:03:56.000 When you're saying things like the very fine people hoax, it was a hoax, Trump never said that.

01:04:01.000 We had a journalist on the show just a couple days ago, Tara Palmieri, who after 10 years, it's been 8 years, she still didn't know this.

01:04:11.000 Trump never called Nazis very fine people.

01:04:14.000 She thought he did.

01:04:15.000 Now, I would simply question...

01:04:17.000 With that information, she pushed back on the idea that there was anyone there worth defending.

01:04:22.000 I question why someone purported to be a journalist never actually watched the video or read the transcript.

01:04:28.000 She just believed it.

01:04:30.000 If you don't know it's there, you don't even know how to look for it.

01:04:33.000 Scott, what do you mean?

01:04:34.000 If someone says to me, Tim, did you hear that Trump punched a baby?

01:04:37.000 I'll say, prove it.

01:04:39.000 I'll say, show me the video, show me the transcript, and I want sources.

01:04:42.000 I will literally say, source, where are you getting that from?

01:04:45.000 I want evidence that happened.

01:04:47.000 So on this show, we do our best, but nobody's perfect.

01:04:50.000 And I'll even give that credit to corporations.

01:04:52.000 Sometimes they get things wrong unintentionally.

01:04:54.000 They largely intentionally make things false.

01:04:56.000 The Covington smear.

01:04:58.000 Not a single one of these people decided to actually look at what happened with the Covington kids.

01:05:03.000 And we're going back, wait, years.

01:05:04.000 But now the Maryland man hopes.

01:05:05.000 I gotta talk about that.

01:05:06.000 Okay, I see both sides of this Maryland man thing. 0.99

01:05:09.000 If I moved to California and some shit went down. 0.99

01:05:11.000 Ian, where are you from? 1.00

01:05:12.000 Ohio. But I'm from Maryland because I live in Maryland.

01:05:14.000 No, you're not.

01:05:14.000 You're not from Maryland.

01:05:15.000 If someone asked me, where are you from?

01:05:16.000 If I was in Germany and they're like, where are you from?

01:05:18.000 I'd say Maryland.

01:05:18.000 No, you wouldn't.

01:05:19.000 Because that's where I came from.

01:05:20.000 That's not true.

01:05:20.000 Because I moved around so much, I would tell people, I'm from L.A. when I lived in L.A. When they would ask, where are you from?

01:05:24.000 I'm from L.A. I've been there seven years.

01:05:26.000 You are one of the raider people who does that.

01:05:27.000 If I went to California and there was an article written and something happened and they were like, California man, something, something.

01:05:32.000 Yeah, that's the meme.

01:05:33.000 You can move to Florida?

01:05:34.000 You're a Florida man.

01:05:36.000 What's his name?

01:05:37.000 No, no, no.

01:05:37.000 Anyway, that's the state of mind.

01:05:40.000 No, it's not.

01:05:41.000 You can write it up as such if I'm residing in there.

01:05:44.000 Yes, if you're lying to people.

01:05:45.000 Well, these people, this guy's an El Salvadorian and they're intentionally trying to spin it like he's an American Maryland dude.

01:05:51.000 That's the point.

01:05:51.000 So they're intentionally lying.

01:05:53.000 They're pushing a hoax.

01:05:54.000 And Hassan Piker, did you notice?

01:05:56.000 Hassan did not know the guy was from El Salvador.

01:05:59.000 One of the most prominent leftist streamers speaking to millions of people and in his mind.

01:06:05.000 He saw CNN.

01:06:07.000 He saw ABC.

01:06:08.000 He saw his outlets.

01:06:09.000 And he was like, this guy's from Maryland.

01:06:10.000 I can't believe Trump would deport him.

01:06:12.000 I would be as mad at Trump as he was if I thought Trump took a guy from Maryland and sent him to a foreign country.

01:06:20.000 That's not what happened.

01:06:21.000 It should have said El Salvadorian man residing in Maryland.

01:06:23.000 It should have said that.

01:06:24.000 That's what the New York Times said today.

01:06:25.000 And I said, thank you.

01:06:27.000 Despite the fact that they're lying about everything else.

01:06:29.000 So it's like the whole thing.

01:06:30.000 They're like, we weren't lying.

01:06:31.000 He was residing in Maryland.

01:06:33.000 Therefore, Maryland, man, I get it.

01:06:34.000 But you were intentional.

01:06:35.000 This was a thing about a guy that was deported to El Salvador and he was El Salvadorian.

01:06:38.000 You can't leave that out.

01:06:40.000 Trump, with a heart twice as big, he brought up Gregor Garcia home.

01:06:47.000 Thank you, Trump.

01:06:48.000 Thank you for letting me.

01:06:49.000 Let me play the rest of this clip because Jarvis calls us freaks.

01:06:51.000 CBS or any other news outlet.

01:06:54.000 The reason that you have lost trust ought to be obvious to you.

01:06:57.000 And the way to fix it also ought to be obvious to you.

01:07:00.000 And it has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with the product.

01:07:03.000 Just try to make a better product that appeals to more people.

01:07:06.000 And the way you appeal to more people is by not crapping on half or more than half of the country because of their values and political views.

01:07:12.000 I think that that is...

01:07:13.000 What you'd end up with in that press room then is, and these are my words, the freak show that you had Trump once.

01:07:19.000 Trump tries to devalue media.

01:07:21.000 Why should we value his freak show there?

01:07:23.000 Let's leave it to the freaks. 0.97

01:07:24.000 Leave it to the freaks.

01:07:26.000 I don't think there's any disagreement on that, by the way.

01:07:28.000 I mean, he called these new media sources the freak show.

01:07:32.000 They're not freaks.

01:07:33.000 They have audiences.

01:07:33.000 Some of them are.

01:07:34.000 They have audiences, and there's a reason that they're thriving is because people are starved for information that they think they can trust.

01:07:40.000 They're not freaks.

01:07:41.000 They're filling a need in this country, in my opinion.

01:07:44.000 He said they're freaks.

01:07:46.000 So why do these freaks have more viewership, further reach?

01:07:53.000 It's because that is the elitist disdain they have for each and every one of you.

01:07:59.000 To those of you who are loyal viewers of Timcast IRL, I saw many of you were posting messages thanking me for being there and congratulating me for being there.

01:08:07.000 Some people were saying, how dare you, Tim, not wear a suit?

01:08:10.000 I got those messages too.

01:08:12.000 But the people who watch the show watch it because you trust us.

01:08:16.000 Like Scott Jennings says, we fill a need.

01:08:19.000 This show only has an audience because we must be doing something right.

01:08:23.000 We have made a good product.

01:08:24.000 I read the news all day every day.

01:08:26.000 I do a morning show.

01:08:27.000 If I don't do the morning show, I don't got nothing for the nightly show.

01:08:29.000 It's very hard to do Timcast IRL because the pre-production and research is my morning show.

01:08:34.000 I read hundreds of articles every day.

01:08:37.000 I'm reading tweets.

01:08:38.000 I'm watching videos.

01:08:38.000 I'm fact-checking things.

01:08:39.000 And then when it comes to Timcast IRL, I largely have read everything in the day, and I have a general idea of what these stories are.

01:08:45.000 Jeff Jarvis doesn't do anything.

01:08:46.000 He's a professor at a university.

01:08:48.000 He doesn't actually work in media and he's calling all of us freaks.

01:08:51.000 The people in that room are uncurious.

01:08:54.000 They don't fact check.

01:08:56.000 They don't know that Trump never called Nazis very fine people.

01:09:00.000 They don't know that Abrego Garcia is from El Salvador.

01:09:05.000 And they don't bother to investigate.

01:09:07.000 And I'll say this too.

01:09:08.000 As much as a lot of people were very much entertained by Attar's appearance.

01:09:13.000 And I very much enjoyed the conversation and the arguments and the debate.

01:09:18.000 She did not know what was in the Signalgate texts, okay?

01:09:22.000 Her understanding of these stories as a Brooklyn-based journalist is surface level.

01:09:29.000 We've gone over those texts thousands of times.

01:09:31.000 Like, not literally thousands, you know what I mean.

01:09:32.000 We've done the stories over and over and over again.

01:09:34.000 So when I'm having a conversation about them, I'm like, I think I had to read those things like 15 times within an hour.

01:09:41.000 From sourcing the story and trying to understand it, to reading it during the show, to sharing with other people, to explaining to those who are going to be editing or putting clips together or something like that, what part of it.

01:09:50.000 I'm reading the text over and over and over again.

01:09:52.000 And so when it comes to a conversation, I'm like, I know what's in those texts.

01:09:56.000 I know it was said.

01:09:56.000 I could probably paraphrase each text.

01:09:58.000 I've read it so much.

01:09:59.000 These journalists that are in the White House, they show up and their editor's like, ask her about this and they go, okay.

01:10:05.000 And then they don't even know what they're talking about.

01:10:07.000 That's normal to these people.

01:10:10.000 But when anybody with an opposing viewpoint is finally let in, to the elites, it's a freak show.

01:10:15.000 But I would like to say this.

01:10:17.000 I want to give a heartfelt thank you to Jeff Jarvis for everything he's done to help me in my career.

01:10:22.000 The advice he had given me at the start of my career was invaluable.

01:10:25.000 His invitation to the Knight Foundation award ceremony at CUNY was an honor, and I will never forget that moment.

01:10:32.000 Jeff, if it wasn't for you, this wouldn't be possible.

01:10:36.000 That day I sat in the White House was thanks to you.

01:10:42.000 That's awesome.

01:10:43.000 I'd like to see that guy here, and just to let him say it.

01:10:48.000 Well, firstly, when you're talking about journalism, not all journalists are researchers, and that's sorely lacking in this industry at the moment, I believe.

01:10:55.000 A lot of journalists will just repeat things that they see.

01:10:58.000 That's not real.

01:11:00.000 That's not research.

01:11:01.000 But understand what you just said.

01:11:02.000 I could just pick up a journal and start journaling, and then all of a sudden I'm a journalist?

01:11:05.000 Come on.

01:11:06.000 But you've got to do research.

01:11:08.000 Journalist, literally in the name, represents those who are writing things down, storing facts, and keeping journals, logs of what is going on.

01:11:17.000 That's not what journalists do anymore.

01:11:19.000 Well, it'll be like, I saw it on TV, and then they'll write it down, and then they'll say it as if it's real without actually researching where the TV heard it.

01:11:26.000 You know, you've got to go deep if you want to, with confidence, explain.

01:11:30.000 Yeah, but why would they do that?

01:11:31.000 Because what they're going after is clicks.

01:11:34.000 You know, that's their problem right now, is that they're after whatever can generate them their ad rev, right?

01:11:40.000 So that's why they don't bother looking back.

01:11:42.000 It's whatever the headline says to generate those ad rev clicks.

01:11:47.000 I mean, that's totally true, but what they're actually looking for is some kind of inflammatory headline that will, just like you said, generate clicks, but also will satisfy their...

01:11:59.000 The preconceptions of their viewership.

01:12:02.000 Their viewership, they know what they're looking for.

01:12:04.000 CNN knows exactly what their viewers want, the viewership that they've built.

01:12:11.000 Same thing with MSNBC, same thing with Fox.

01:12:13.000 And they make sure that their stories are going to feed people what they want to hear.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, and the question is, where does the genesis of each one of those little narratives come from?

01:12:26.000 Because at some point it slips in, and then the monster grabs a hole.

01:12:29.000 But even in this clip with this guy here, what you're watching is a little football match, right?

01:12:40.000 We have one person on offense from the other side, and he put them in their place pretty good.

01:12:46.000 But they have no willingness to say to themselves, you know what, maybe we did...

01:12:52.000 Mess up a little bit along the way.

01:12:54.000 You heard her.

01:12:55.000 She goes, you know, and it's all because of you guys.

01:12:59.000 And that's the problem every single time.

01:13:01.000 It's never, nobody in the media is willing to do that.

01:13:05.000 In their minds, they're thinking, if you would just shut up and let us lie, they'd have no choice but to watch.

01:13:13.000 That's how they think.

01:13:14.000 You know, there was a time when the narrative spread by the news, even Fox News included.

01:13:20.000 It was all essentially the same narrative, right?

01:13:23.000 Like the Iraq War, like going into the Iraq War. 0.72

01:13:26.000 It was the same stuff from 2000 until probably 2008-9.

01:13:30.000 It was the same thing from basically every news channel.

01:13:34.000 And now you got the people are in.

01:13:37.000 That was when we were just being fed news until Internet video.

01:13:40.000 And now we're feeding it as well.

01:13:42.000 And that's, I guess, the freaky part.

01:13:44.000 Yeah, we're the media.

01:13:46.000 This is media.

01:13:48.000 YouTube's the biggest news media channel in the world.

01:13:51.000 So let's stop talking about people who can't get any ratings and talk about people who do.

01:13:55.000 We got this tweet from the Vigilant Fox.

01:13:57.000 Jordan Peterson just dropped a chilling warning.

01:14:00.000 Psychopaths are taking over the right.

01:14:02.000 Let me play this clip for you from the Joe Rogan experience where Jordan Peterson warns Pharisees, psychopaths. 0.58

01:14:11.000 He's talking about Candace Owens, but listen to what he says.

01:14:14.000 I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths.

01:14:18.000 Without a doubt.

01:14:20.000 Yeah, well...

01:14:21.000 Without a doubt. 0.97

01:14:21.000 That's a terrible thing, because the psychopathic types, they're always the death of everything. 0.97

01:14:27.000 I'm seeing this come up on the right now.

01:14:29.000 So imagine this.

01:14:30.000 I've been working on a new...

01:14:33.000 theory of political psychopathology, and I like it quite a lot.

01:14:36.000 Is this where the term the woke right comes in?

01:14:38.000 Yeah, well, Lindsay is pointing at that, but he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right.

01:14:44.000 So, it isn't woke.

01:14:46.000 That's not the issue.

01:14:47.000 It's not exactly...

01:14:48.000 I think what they're talking about is like similar types of behavior.

01:14:51.000 He is talking about that.

01:14:53.000 Yeah, I know.

01:14:54.000 Woke just lets you clarify in your head, oh, it's like that.

01:14:57.000 Yeah, but the problem is...

01:14:59.000 It's like Antifa.

01:15:00.000 Absolutely. But the problem is that That argument is predicated on the claim that the ideas are the problem, like the woke ideas.

01:15:10.000 For example, on the right or the left.

01:15:12.000 But that's not the problem.

01:15:14.000 The problem is that 4-5% of the population, something like that, is cluster B, that's the DSM.

01:15:24.000 Five terms.

01:15:24.000 Histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic.

01:15:29.000 And they have dark tetrad traits. 0.99

01:15:31.000 They're Machiavellian.

01:15:32.000 They're sadistic.

01:15:33.000 That's about 4%.

01:15:34.000 Okay, so the question is, how do these people maneuver?

01:15:38.000 And the answer is, they go to where the power is.

01:15:41.000 And they adopt those ideas, and they put themselves even on the forefront of that.

01:15:45.000 But the ideas are completely irrelevant.

01:15:47.000 All they're doing is, they're the Pharisees, they're the modern version of the Pharisees.

01:15:51.000 They're the people who use God's name in vain, right?

01:15:54.000 As they proclaim moral virtue, doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islam, they invade the idea space, and then they use those ideas as... 0.88

01:16:06.000 false weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage.

01:16:10.000 And so then you have the problem and the right's gonna face this more and more particularly because the left had to face

01:16:17.000 So the interesting thing is...

01:16:35.000 What he's describing has been described by many people going back like 10 years ago when we had conversations about the corporate press, that activists masquerading as journalists was the phrase that I used a long time ago.

01:16:49.000 These are people who are politically motivated, and they are using the institutions of journalism to advance their political goals, exactly as Jordan Peterson describes.

01:16:58.000 However, the issue I take with what he's doing is he's really just beefing with Candace Owens.

01:17:02.000 Here's a tweet from a month ago where he said, Candace Owens is a true pharicycle pretender.

01:17:06.000 She vociferously proclaims her devotion to Christ for no other reason than to elevate her perceived status.

01:17:11.000 Her outrage is designed not to shout the truth from the rooftops, build bridges or make peace, but to subvert Christianity itself with its new force to her own purpose. 0.99

01:17:19.000 She is literally using God.

01:17:20.000 There are few more unforgivable sins.

01:17:25.000 Yeah, and I think what he's saying is if Candace were to make a post, and I was going to go through her stuff and look for a moment that maybe she did this, a post that's full of vitriol, anger at someone, and then finish that text off with, and by the way, Christ is king.

01:17:38.000 It's like, that's using the Lord's name in vain.

01:17:40.000 Don't do evil and then exclaim God.

01:17:42.000 Except she doesn't do that. 1.00

01:17:44.000 Yeah, that's why I wanted to go through this conversation a while ago, because Jordan Peterson, along with some other experts, dropped this report where they were like, look at the people who use Crisis King as a troll or whatever.

01:17:55.000 And they included.

01:17:56.000 I would argue that if he's referring to her as a powerful psychopath who is able to amass this I genuinely think

01:18:29.000 she just believes it, and she tweets it on her posts.

01:18:33.000 The issue I see here is that Jordan Peterson is veiling his anger with Candace Owens in some, we have to be mad at all the psychopaths on Joe Rogan to create this new narrative.

01:18:48.000 And it's a part of—he appeared on Fox News saying something similar, where they've got this report that I've heard—I think Jack Posobo was tweeting this, I should pull it up—that they're working with the Anti-Defamation League.

01:19:00.000 And they're—he's—I tweeted, who are you talking about?

01:19:05.000 Because if Jordan Peterson really is just mad at Candace Owens and believes she's a Pharisee— Then I take issue with him going on Joe Rogan and saying, watch out for all these psychopaths who do these things.

01:19:15.000 And I'm like, bro, you're literally just describing your tweet to Candace Owens.

01:19:19.000 I think it's important to realize that every human has a psychopathic tendency and potential to act without the concern of others.

01:19:28.000 What you do may have collateral damage, harm others, and it just doesn't matter because you've got to get it done.

01:19:32.000 That's like wartime mentality.

01:19:33.000 You can switch into a psychopathic mentality.

01:19:35.000 It's okay.

01:19:36.000 It doesn't make you an evil person.

01:19:38.000 Sometimes people...

01:19:40.000 Extol psychopathic behaviors, and they're not evil.

01:19:42.000 They just do it, and it's like, I need to know when I'm doing it personally, so I keep myself in check.

01:19:46.000 And I think he's coming on being like, look, you guys have all the power right now.

01:19:49.000 And do not let obsession with fame force you into something, start talking about something you're not interested in, and then all of a sudden now, this is your big agenda, and now you're popular.

01:19:59.000 Like he said, it's not about the what, it's about how people hijack the narrative for their own, what he said, narcissistic, which is where it's really about, you know, me.

01:20:09.000 And how can I get society to serve me?

01:20:13.000 That behavior, we all got to keep ourselves in check.

01:20:15.000 I don't have a great analysis of actually what Peterson's getting at, but I don't get the sense that it's just about Candace Owens.

01:20:24.000 I think that he's speaking more broadly about the people that tend to be critical of Israel and stuff.

01:20:32.000 But again, I don't have some kind of overarching theory as to what he's getting at.

01:20:37.000 I just think that he's...

01:20:38.000 He's usually—he's been fairly good at articulating his position and being forthright about what he's saying.

01:20:50.000 So I don't get the sense that he's kind of hiding behind just saying, oh, you know, talking about psychopaths meaning one specific person.

01:20:59.000 I think he's probably thinking more broadly.

01:21:01.000 He did bring up the Israel stuff.

01:21:03.000 Anti-Semitism he brought up is like one of the— But he did bring that up.

01:21:31.000 We should have him on.

01:21:32.000 He said he wanted to come do the show.

01:21:34.000 Cernovich took a quote from Oren McIntyre, and it's a great point. 0.50

01:21:37.000 He says, Peterson is correct that as the right gains momentum, the truly power-obsessed narcissists will move there.

01:21:42.000 I wonder if there's a group of high-status liberals who have made that journey recently and are now trying to take that power.

01:21:48.000 Quote from Oren McIntyre.

01:21:49.000 Got names of people that come to mind, but I don't know, Gavin.

01:21:53.000 I think that he's talking about the IDW people. 1.00

01:21:56.000 Indeed he is.

01:21:56.000 I was thinking of Chris Cuomo.

01:21:57.000 Of course.

01:21:58.000 No, no, no.

01:21:59.000 Right, right.

01:22:00.000 Indirectly. Yes, absolutely.

01:22:01.000 Okay, so Chris Cuomo fits the description, but I think that they were specifically thinking of the actual IDW people.

01:22:08.000 The question is, largely, when did an individual shift their political views?

01:22:16.000 So you have that woman, I forgot her name, was it Lindy Lee or something?

01:22:19.000 Is that the woman? 0.86

01:22:20.000 Where she was like a Democrat fundraiser, and then after Trump lost, she immediately was like, I'm not a Democrat anymore.

01:22:25.000 And now she got roasted by Wade Stotts on The Will Cain Show, which was absolutely hilarious.

01:22:30.000 But she's like a lifelong Democrat.

01:22:31.000 And then she voted for Kamala.

01:22:33.000 And then afterwards, the criticism is there were people who are diehard, you know, ride or die Democrat, liberals.

01:22:41.000 Or how about this?

01:22:42.000 He's probably referring to Eric Weinstein, who refused to endorse Trump, saying, oh, woe is me.

01:22:46.000 I can't do it.

01:22:47.000 Trump is so bad.

01:22:48.000 And then there were people who very early on were. 0.84

01:22:53.000 There were two spaces of which obviously I fall into one of them, which is the stop making me defend Trump.

01:22:59.000 This was the period where it was like, I'm not a big fan of his policies, but you're lying about him.

01:23:05.000 Stop lying about the guy.

01:23:07.000 And then I was backing Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang.

01:23:10.000 And when they lost, I said that I'm voting for Trump.

01:23:13.000 But there are some people that only after Trump won in November did they actually switch and say they were for Trump.

01:23:20.000 But more importantly, There are a prominent group of liberal personalities who pretend like they are anti-establishment or heterodox but refuse to endorse Trump or call out the Democratic Party for their ridiculous ideologies like sex-changing kids or all that stuff.

01:23:35.000 Jordan Peterson is being effectively criticized in that regard for essentially being part of that group.

01:23:45.000 You're saying that in addition to what he's talking about, he's also being criticized for...

01:23:48.000 R.N. McIntyre's post.

01:23:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:23:50.000 When he says, I wonder if there's a group of high-status liberals who have made that journey.

01:23:53.000 What he's pointing out is that Peterson is saying on the Joe Rogan podcast, as the right becomes ascendant, psychopaths will seek to move into the right to gain political power.

01:24:03.000 Probably why Bill Maher all of a sudden was like, you know, Trump's not that bad.

01:24:08.000 I mean, he's not perfect, but maybe I was wrong.

01:24:11.000 Charlemagne and the gods are the same thing.

01:24:12.000 You know, maybe Trump's not a fascist.

01:24:13.000 It's like, uh-oh, we realized that we were on the wrong side of history.

01:24:16.000 Better flip-flop, maybe.

01:24:18.000 But a lot of people, too, are just realizing the problem was the deep state, you know, takeover of the U.S., and they're like, actually, I'm with Trump now.

01:24:25.000 And you think just on November 6th they just had the epiphany?

01:24:29.000 That would be a weird day to have it.

01:24:31.000 Indeed. So what I think is most of these people were like, I'm going to wait and see who wins and then back the winner.

01:24:37.000 Yeah. And there were other people who came out and said, I'll stick my neck out and support what I think is right.

01:24:42.000 Those people that are like falsely, that jump ship, that's a little different.

01:24:46.000 I think that might be a psychopathic behavior trait.

01:24:49.000 I don't know.

01:24:49.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:24:50.000 Hence the point that Oren McIntyre is flipping onto Peterson what Peterson is saying about Candace Owens.

01:24:56.000 Now, we can discuss Candace Owens' past.

01:24:58.000 She was, like, a liberal a long time ago.

01:25:00.000 But then she... 1.00

01:25:00.000 She was a red pill black. 1.00

01:25:01.000 That was her... 0.98

01:25:02.000 A long time ago, yeah.

01:25:03.000 And I guess people...

01:25:04.000 She had been accused of, like, doxing conservatives or something.

01:25:06.000 But then she had a moment where she flipped, she explained it, and she's been steadfastly on the right for, what, like, eight years or something or longer.

01:25:15.000 She's been...

01:25:16.000 She's had a prominent show, and she largely says what she says.

01:25:19.000 And I gotta be honest, she gets roasted for a lot of the opinions she has, which are...

01:25:22.000 Anything but standard, I'll call it that.

01:25:24.000 Yeah. She's got like, for real.

01:25:26.000 Yeah. Well, I know that's funny.

01:25:28.000 But she's got opinions that are not like typical mainstream safe opinions to have.

01:25:33.000 She just does her thing.

01:25:34.000 And criticize her, totally fine.

01:25:36.000 You're allowed to do that.

01:25:38.000 Jordan Peterson is basically pointing to himself in this regard.

01:25:41.000 Now, I like Jordan.

01:25:42.000 I think he's an all right dude.

01:25:43.000 But I think it is fair to point out that a lot of these IDW guys would not get behind Trump with full support, argued against him.

01:25:52.000 And are trying to pretend like they're on our side.

01:25:56.000 I mean, look, I'm not so sure that this revolt hasn't much to do with Trump.

01:26:03.000 I think that they probably have an idea of what is acceptable politics and they think that Trump kind of falls outside of it.

01:26:14.000 They have their problems with the left or with Democrats and so they've...

01:26:18.000 But they don't feel comfortable, you know, aligning with Trump because they say that Trump – or they feel like Trump is unacceptable.

01:26:23.000 I think that's probably an uncontroversial opinion to have.

01:26:27.000 Not about Trump.

01:26:28.000 I'm talking about the analysis.

01:26:31.000 But I don't know – I don't know if it's something that is, you know, particularly broad or if it's just a very narrow handful of people that it kind of doesn't really matter.

01:26:43.000 I felt that.

01:26:44.000 Personally, I felt that.

01:26:45.000 I talked about it on the show last year that it was like, man, if I just start talking about that I'm going to vote for Trump, it's going to piss a bunch of people off from my past.

01:26:51.000 And then I had to just get over it.

01:26:52.000 I had to get over it.

01:26:53.000 You got to be, you know, you got to care about the community first and not my personal.

01:26:58.000 That's really the concern that I've seen from a lot of conservatives.

01:27:02.000 The question is, were you willing to stick your neck out even a little bit to get behind what is right?

01:27:07.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:27:22.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:27:29.000 Yeah. Right.

01:27:37.000 Because you and I agree this is the right thing to do, but you won't take any risks, then you deserve nothing.

01:27:42.000 Yeah. I had a lot of experience with that throughout COVID with musicians writing me.

01:27:46.000 Thanks for speaking up.

01:27:48.000 I'm on your side of things.

01:27:49.000 I just don't want to lose my gig. 0.99

01:27:52.000 It's like watching somebody get their ass kicked and you're like, hey man. 0.99

01:27:56.000 Thanks for taking the beating for me. 0.99

01:27:59.000 Them calling you on the phone, be like, thanks for inviting me over tonight, man.

01:28:02.000 I had a great time.

01:28:02.000 We're talking on the phone, dude.

01:28:04.000 You're not even here.

01:28:04.000 Do you think that what we see with that adherence to what we were talking about earlier with the left, if you stray from their narrative, then you're out.

01:28:14.000 Is that happening on the right?

01:28:16.000 Because I think it is.

01:28:17.000 I see it happening a lot.

01:28:18.000 I see it a little bit sometimes.

01:28:20.000 The right has their, like, heavy-handed moments, but it's rare relative to the left.

01:28:25.000 There's also, like, concentric circles of beliefs within this sphere, because that leftism thing is a very small bubble, and outside of it is this greater cause of reality and people that think that, you know...

01:28:36.000 Israel is the biggest problem in the world, and then people that think that climate change is the biggest or whatever, I'm just naming random things, but then if you disagree within those circles, you might be ejected from that immediate community.

01:28:48.000 Because the right is a coalition of various factions, there's no real right to be ejected from.

01:28:53.000 However, the left is homogenous.

01:28:54.000 So if you were a liberal personality with a big following on YouTube...

01:28:59.000 And you said something like, I really do think the trans movement is harming our ability to win politically and we're sacrificing populist issues for this small faction of people. 1.00

01:29:06.000 You're done.

01:29:07.000 You are gone.

01:29:09.000 You're now conservative right.

01:29:11.000 No, not even.

01:29:12.000 You're far right.

01:29:13.000 You better start your own podcast.

01:29:14.000 You're far right.

01:29:14.000 Yeah, sure.

01:29:15.000 And you'll lose everything.

01:29:16.000 So they don't deviate.

01:29:17.000 And that's why a lot of these liberals, they're in a hard position.

01:29:22.000 Because my view of Luke Beasley, for instance, Is that he knows the liberal issues he's wrong about.

01:29:28.000 They're factually incorrect.

01:29:29.000 But he can't say it because he would just lose followers.

01:29:32.000 So it's like he's a young guy.

01:29:34.000 He's got a big YouTube platform.

01:29:36.000 When he looks into these things, he goes, oh, that's not true.

01:29:39.000 Oh, man, could you imagine that kind of stress to realize it and be like, oh, my God, I've got a million people that have been following this narrative and it's not real.

01:29:46.000 And if you say it's not real, they will all attack you, destroy your life.

01:29:50.000 You'll be in the poorhouse overnight.

01:29:52.000 And even less is like they just stop watching.

01:29:54.000 The thing is, he'd get a huge new audience, you know, so it's not...

01:29:57.000 No, he wouldn't.

01:29:59.000 It wouldn't be right away, but he's really smart.

01:30:01.000 I like that guy.

01:30:02.000 The right is going to, would likely say, why watch you?

01:30:04.000 You've been wrong about everything.

01:30:06.000 You just figured it out.

01:30:07.000 Well, Dan Bongino knew it the whole time.

01:30:10.000 What? I'll watch him instead.

01:30:11.000 Because he's able to agree about that.

01:30:12.000 I'm not using it as an example, because he's gone.

01:30:13.000 I think that the right, though, looks for reformed leftists, and they really cheer that on.

01:30:18.000 When you see somebody from Hollywood, and they all of a sudden are saying something that...

01:30:23.000 You know, many of us may have been saying for a good while.

01:30:26.000 The conservative movement tends to, or the right, whatever you want to call it, everybody outside of the left, they tend to absorb it.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, but I think it's because if someone comes from Hollywood and then starts saying, look, I've seen the light, I'm converting or whatever, you're hearing an expert from the inside explain to you all the bad things they're doing, effectively blowing the whistle.

01:30:45.000 They're telling you.

01:30:46.000 And it's similar for liberals, former conservatives, which are rare, but...

01:30:52.000 This is totally fake in my opinion.

01:30:54.000 You have people, well, like Hunter Avalon is a good example.

01:30:56.000 Like, oh no, I was so wrong.

01:30:58.000 I can't believe I believed those things.

01:30:59.000 And then they say, see, now you can tell us.

01:31:01.000 And then they use that as an expert testimony of why I believed the things I did.

01:31:05.000 The problem with the left is that they're just factually wrong about everything.

01:31:09.000 You know, so you're in trouble if you're a media personality on the left because you're like, you could literally Google search the story and go, whoa, he was from El Salvador?

01:31:18.000 What is this document?

01:31:19.000 He admitted he came illegally, and he admitted he was removable.

01:31:24.000 He's not a Maryland man.

01:31:26.000 Gonna lie anyway, otherwise I'll lose my followers.

01:31:28.000 Okay, this is a big leap, and we don't need to go into this, but on the right, I feel like that version of that, where they're like, I saw it on TV, therefore it's real, I'm gonna regurgitate, is like, I read it in a 2,000-year-old document, I'm gonna regurgitate it if it's real.

01:31:43.000 What are you talking about?

01:31:44.000 The Bible, the Christian Bible.

01:31:46.000 How can you verify?

01:31:48.000 The authenticity of that, I can't.

01:31:51.000 You can't?

01:31:52.000 No, no one can.

01:31:53.000 Because it's a 2,000-year-old text.

01:31:54.000 No one can...

01:31:55.000 It's not like...

01:31:56.000 If CNN came on...

01:31:57.000 You're conflating some very different things.

01:31:58.000 How can I verify it?

01:32:00.000 You're conflating some very different things because the fact is the right isn't just Christian.

01:32:06.000 Exactly. So when we're talking about the left and their adherence to an orthodoxy, which is false, and then you bring up Christianity specifically, it just sounds like you're insulting Christians.

01:32:14.000 No, no, no.

01:32:15.000 Anybody that believes faith without evidence is, like, I think is a problem.

01:32:20.000 But you see, you're entering seventh grade.

01:32:25.000 Oh, you have blind faith?

01:32:26.000 You have actual evidential faith?

01:32:27.000 You have all sorts of different types of faith?

01:32:29.000 Blind faith is a problem. 0.99

01:32:30.000 And you are asking like a 16-year-old's introduction to philosophy question about what is to know.

01:32:36.000 I'm sorry.

01:32:37.000 What? I brought my Bible.

01:32:40.000 When you're an adolescent human being studying basic concepts of philosophy...

01:32:47.000 One of the first things you ask, or you are asked is, what is knowledge?

01:32:52.000 How do you know what you know?

01:32:54.000 And then you learn the famous quote, the only thing that I know is that I know nothing.

01:33:00.000 So when you say to people, why do you just believe in the Bible?

01:33:04.000 The same question is asked to you.

01:33:06.000 What makes you think oxygen is real?

01:33:08.000 You read it in a book and you just believe it.

01:33:09.000 You're believing things without doing an investigation or checking the evidence.

01:33:12.000 I'll take the scientific method over a 2,000-year-old book and also take the scientific method over something CNN tells me.

01:33:17.000 When have you done it?

01:33:18.000 Done what?

01:33:19.000 When have you actually looked through an electron microscope to check to see if there's oxygen?

01:33:22.000 I'd love to do that.

01:33:22.000 You'd love to, but you haven't, right?

01:33:24.000 Ozone, dude.

01:33:25.000 It's three O's.

01:33:26.000 It's the only element with its own zone.

01:33:28.000 Ian, have you ever looked through an electron microscope at a one-dimensional...

01:33:32.000 I've never looked through an electron microscope.

01:33:33.000 So then how do you know graphene's real?

01:33:35.000 I trust the scientific method.

01:33:37.000 That's my faith in evidence.

01:33:39.000 You've never done the scientific proof, you could say.

01:33:41.000 It's proof.

01:33:42.000 When? When have you proved it?

01:33:43.000 I haven't.

01:33:44.000 The scientific community before me...

01:33:45.000 Who's that?

01:33:46.000 Richard Feynman.

01:33:47.000 Who else?

01:33:48.000 Thousands and thousands of people have claimed evidence of oxygen's existence.

01:33:54.000 And you've seen it?

01:33:55.000 I've listened to the evidence from people that have done the research for...

01:33:58.000 I've listened to the evidence from people who said that Jesus walked on water.

01:34:02.000 The evidence from the people, they said they read it in a book that it happened.

01:34:05.000 That's like saying the evidence from the people that were on CNN saying that it happened.

01:34:09.000 No, I met someone who said they had a vision.

01:34:10.000 God told them it happened.

01:34:11.000 Okay, if a guy said he had a vision of something on CNN, I still wouldn't believe him.

01:34:14.000 You are choosing to believe people who haven't shown you any evidence.

01:34:18.000 No, the opposite.

01:34:19.000 I do not believe things without evidence.

01:34:21.000 When have you seen the evidence of graphene?

01:34:25.000 Um... Never.

01:34:26.000 All over the internet?

01:34:27.000 You've never seen it?

01:34:27.000 I mean, you want to...

01:34:28.000 You've never seen it.

01:34:30.000 That's evidence of graphene.

01:34:32.000 When you look on papers and you read about it and you look at imagery of it online, that's all evidence.

01:34:36.000 What do you think the Bible's made of?

01:34:38.000 Paper. Yeah, and what's in the Bible?

01:34:40.000 There's words?

01:34:41.000 That's the same kind of evidence that you're talking about giving you evidence for graphene.

01:34:46.000 I'm talking about the scientific method.

01:34:48.000 You literally just said...

01:34:49.000 You did not do it!

01:34:50.000 I know.

01:34:50.000 You don't need a scientist to believe in the scientific method.

01:34:53.000 And you don't need a Bible to believe in Jesus.

01:34:57.000 I require evidence.

01:34:58.000 Some evidence.

01:34:59.000 No, you don't.

01:35:00.000 Evidence-based, leading towards proof.

01:35:02.000 No, Ian, you don't.

01:35:03.000 In order to believe it, I cannot force myself to believe something I have no evidence for.

01:35:06.000 It's impossible for me.

01:35:07.000 That's not true.

01:35:08.000 Or it's very, very, very difficult to snap that.

01:35:10.000 That's false.

01:35:11.000 You know, I know.

01:35:12.000 Because you've never done an experiment to prove the existence of graphene.

01:35:14.000 That's because there's scientists that do that work for us.

01:35:16.000 You don't want every farmer to have to go look through an electron microscope.

01:35:19.000 There are priests and bishops and cardinals who tell us about Jesus and Christianity.

01:35:24.000 They don't have electron microscopes.

01:35:25.000 Neither do you.

01:35:26.000 And how do you know they do?

01:35:27.000 They don't.

01:35:28.000 They told me they have prophets.

01:35:29.000 Okay, fine.

01:35:30.000 A guy told him.

01:35:31.000 And a guy told you?

01:35:32.000 Are you saying that this is actual evidence that you would do a journalistic endeavor with?

01:35:36.000 I'm saying, Ian.

01:35:37.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:35:39.000 You have never actually done any experiments, and what you believe is based on someone telling you, trust me, and you're saying yes.

01:35:45.000 It's not random dude being like, hey, there's this thing, dude, trust me.

01:35:49.000 It's the scientific community.

01:35:52.000 And the theological community.

01:35:54.000 Those are the same people that said that the COVID shot was going to work, right?

01:35:59.000 I don't know.

01:36:00.000 Or that lockdown to slow the spread?

01:36:03.000 Or that double masking made sense?

01:36:04.000 That's not who I follow when I'm talking about drafting.

01:36:06.000 You're talking about Anthony Fauci?

01:36:08.000 Let's just pause real quick.

01:36:09.000 I'm just going to say this because there's no reason to go in circles over and over again.

01:36:12.000 I didn't even want to bring it up to go too deep. 0.98

01:36:14.000 It's just that people that believe things without evidential proof is fucking annoying, man. 0.99

01:36:17.000 Like you. 0.98

01:36:17.000 You have to play both sides of reality. 0.98

01:36:19.000 Like you. 1.00

01:36:20.000 You are the perfect example of a person who believes whatever bullshit they heard from someone on the internet. 1.00

01:36:24.000 Totally untrue, man. 1.00

01:36:25.000 Why do you think I'm sitting here?

01:36:26.000 You've never seen graphene.

01:36:27.000 You've never tested it.

01:36:28.000 You've never looked at an electron microscope.

01:36:30.000 You don't even know it's a signal.

01:36:31.000 I've seen graphene.

01:36:32.000 You bought it for me.

01:36:33.000 do you know it's graphene well it said graphene on there you told me it was graphene it was dirt like graphene i filled up a vial outside and wrote graphene on it it looks like black sand i went

01:36:41.000 Did you believe it was graphene?

01:36:56.000 Yeah. Why?

01:36:57.000 Because you told me it was.

01:36:58.000 It said graphene oxide on the side or graphene on the side.

01:37:01.000 Some of the best content.

01:37:02.000 I lied.

01:37:03.000 And you claim to be a research journalist and you're going to lie and take things and believe things without evidence? 1.00

01:37:10.000 I mean, you don't believe this shit. 1.00

01:37:11.000 You told me yourself you don't call my Bible shit. 1.00

01:37:14.000 That's not nice. 0.99

01:37:15.000 How offensive.

01:37:16.000 It's got my name on it.

01:37:18.000 Good lord.

01:37:19.000 Ian, how dare you?

01:37:21.000 Dude, I'm just evidence-based, bro.

01:37:22.000 You are not.

01:37:24.000 Of course I am, dude.

01:37:26.000 Look, Ian, you lack the understanding of basic knowledge philosophy.

01:37:32.000 I recommend you read these books.

01:37:34.000 There is a famous quote.

01:37:35.000 The only thing I know is that I know nothing.

01:37:37.000 For you to sit here and say, I know what is true and factual, proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

01:37:43.000 Well, there are facts.

01:37:45.000 Like? This is wood.

01:37:48.000 Indeed. Agreed.

01:37:49.000 How do you know?

01:37:50.000 Because I'm here.

01:37:51.000 Did you use an electron microscope?

01:37:52.000 Because I built it.

01:37:54.000 How do you know it was actual wood, though?

01:37:55.000 Did you test it with an electron microscope?

01:37:56.000 Because I watched them cut it.

01:37:57.000 No, you didn't.

01:37:58.000 The answer is no.

01:37:59.000 You didn't.

01:37:59.000 And you believe it's wood.

01:38:00.000 No, you're actually wrong.

01:38:01.000 It could be plastic.

01:38:02.000 I watched them cut it.

01:38:03.000 It's a new chemical they built.

01:38:04.000 I watched them cut it.

01:38:05.000 How do you know it's wood?

01:38:07.000 Because I saw it come from the tree, Ian.

01:38:09.000 This is a special... 1.00

01:38:10.000 Now, that's a fucking lie. 0.99

01:38:11.000 No, it isn't. 0.99

01:38:12.000 You saw this table come from a tree?

01:38:14.000 It's a custom-built table.

01:38:15.000 This is a custom-built table.

01:38:16.000 You were told?

01:38:17.000 By who?

01:38:18.000 No! They built it in front of me!

01:38:20.000 We're being hilariously hyperbolic right now.

01:38:22.000 It's three pieces.

01:38:23.000 They brought it in.

01:38:24.000 They had to lift it up over and bring it through because it wouldn't fit through the door.

01:38:27.000 So it had to go through before the windows were put in.

01:38:30.000 It was brought in three pieces.

01:38:32.000 There's a metal frame underneath it.

01:38:33.000 We had these pieces sitting in a building for a year waiting for the construction.

01:38:37.000 I watched them cut the wood into the pieces.

01:38:39.000 I picked up the sawdust and we threw it in a fire pit.

01:38:43.000 How do you know it was sawdust, Tim?

01:38:44.000 Because it burned.

01:38:46.000 Graphene burns, too.

01:38:48.000 Ian? How do you know it wasn't almost sawdust?

01:38:51.000 You've never done any experiment.

01:38:53.000 That's not true.

01:38:54.000 I've done what?

01:38:54.000 Experiments. On what?

01:38:56.000 Oh, God.

01:38:57.000 I don't know.

01:38:57.000 Dripped water on a piece of paper to see how it curls.

01:39:00.000 Okay. So...

01:39:02.000 What other stuff?

01:39:02.000 I don't know.

01:39:03.000 I have fun with life, you know?

01:39:04.000 I experiment a lot.

01:39:05.000 What is limiting you in understanding reality right now is your arrogance.

01:39:09.000 No, I don't think so.

01:39:10.000 I think I see a lot of dead people that are deadened in the mind that just accept things without evidence.

01:39:14.000 And that's concerning to me no matter where it's coming from.

01:39:16.000 And I see that in you.

01:39:17.000 Well, how?

01:39:18.000 What's an example of that?

01:39:19.000 Okay. Are you breathing?

01:39:20.000 Not a silly example.

01:39:22.000 I'm talking about real stuff.

01:39:23.000 What are you breathing right now?

01:39:24.000 Talking about real stuff.

01:39:25.000 Lots of gas.

01:39:26.000 Talking about real stuff.

01:39:26.000 What are you breathing?

01:39:27.000 And oxygen and hydrogen.

01:39:28.000 You name it.

01:39:29.000 How do you know?

01:39:31.000 I have faith in the scientific community and the evidence that I've seen.

01:39:35.000 What evidence have you seen?

01:39:36.000 Papers. I've had teachers tell me the evidence.

01:39:39.000 We've gone through it in books.

01:39:40.000 I've looked online about it.

01:39:41.000 I read about the nitrogen content in the air.

01:39:43.000 78% of it, I think, is nitrogen, according to modern science.

01:39:46.000 So you've actually taken air and you've...

01:39:48.000 No, no, but I didn't get the electron microscope for the table or for the air.

01:39:51.000 So you've never actually done an experiment to verify any of the things you were told?

01:39:56.000 Well, that's an extreme statement, but about...

01:39:58.000 The contents of the air?

01:40:00.000 No, I haven't done that.

01:40:01.000 So why do you believe it's true?

01:40:02.000 Because there's a preponderance of evidence.

01:40:04.000 Because someone told you it was?

01:40:06.000 Many, many, many people have, yeah.

01:40:07.000 Okay, well, there's more people who believe in Jesus.

01:40:10.000 I don't care how many.

01:40:11.000 Then why did you say that?

01:40:12.000 And also the quality of the evidence.

01:40:17.000 What's the evidence?

01:40:18.000 Of what exactly?

01:40:19.000 Of what's in the air?

01:40:20.000 Like, what did you read that said oxygen was real?

01:40:22.000 That proved it?

01:40:23.000 That provided evidence?

01:40:24.000 The periodic table?

01:40:25.000 That's not evidence.

01:40:26.000 That's a list.

01:40:27.000 It's a piece of evidence.

01:40:28.000 It's a list of things.

01:40:29.000 Which is a piece of evidence.

01:40:31.000 How does that prove the existence of oxygen?

01:40:32.000 That along with all sorts of other experiments where you can see the different colors of oxygen with different lights.

01:40:39.000 How? We can pull it up and go deep if you want to talk about.

01:40:44.000 If you're questioning science, let's look at it.

01:40:48.000 Tell me the evidence I convinced you.

01:40:49.000 I'm the farmer that believes the scientist in regards to this.

01:40:52.000 I'm not the guy that did the experiment.

01:40:54.000 There's enough people on Earth that do those experiments that we can have faith in science.

01:40:59.000 What will greatly help you expand your understanding of reality is to recognize you are simply choosing trust.

01:41:05.000 That's it.

01:41:06.000 I think that's right.

01:41:07.000 A lot of people with belief, it comes with trust.

01:41:10.000 You have to trust your sources.

01:41:12.000 When you do the fission experiments and the vacuum experiments, Then I might say...

01:41:32.000 You've done the work.

01:41:33.000 For now, what you're telling me is I read a bunch of books and they told me it was true, so I believe it.

01:41:37.000 Chemical vapor deposition where you deposit carbon dioxide onto copper in a vacuum.

01:41:41.000 Have you done it?

01:41:42.000 No, but they do it at Rice University.

01:41:43.000 I'm sure they do.

01:41:44.000 I mean, there's different ways to get graphing off of copper.

01:41:46.000 Prophets commune with the Lord all the time.

01:41:48.000 Well, that's probably true, but that doesn't mean that this is verifiable evidence.

01:41:52.000 I didn't say it was.

01:41:53.000 I said you are choosing what to believe based on the books you read and telling other people that they're wrong.

01:41:59.000 I wouldn't say that they're wrong.

01:42:00.000 I'm just concerned with...

01:42:02.000 People believing things without evidential proof.

01:42:05.000 That is like the epitome of my ethos.

01:42:09.000 The corporate press not doing any research, deciding things are true without checking, or intentionally lying to people to spread misinformation.

01:42:17.000 And the fascinating thing to me is that we were told that double masking worked.

01:42:21.000 We were told that six feet distance was how you effectively stopped the spread of COVID.

01:42:26.000 And then we learned just recently, actually not super recently, but a year or two ago, they made it up.

01:42:30.000 It was totally made up.

01:42:31.000 Now, how can that be?

01:42:32.000 It was written in books.

01:42:33.000 It was written in scientific papers.

01:42:34.000 They published peer-reviewed journals.

01:42:36.000 They said it on the news!

01:42:37.000 Over and over and over again. 1.00

01:42:38.000 It was all bullshit, wasn't it? 1.00

01:42:39.000 Whoa. But they posted evidence. 1.00

01:42:41.000 And it was still bullshit. 0.97

01:42:43.000 But the evidence, Ian. 0.99

01:42:44.000 There wasn't enough.

01:42:45.000 But the papers, the evidence.

01:42:46.000 There wasn't enough evidence, man.

01:42:47.000 I didn't believe it.

01:42:48.000 What do you mean?

01:42:49.000 I didn't believe six feet to slow the virus?

01:42:51.000 Are you kidding me?

01:42:52.000 You think a paper mask is going to stop a virus?

01:42:54.000 I'm not saying you believed it.

01:42:55.000 I'm saying the scientific community and the evidence they presented was wrong.

01:42:59.000 Cigarettes used to be recommended by doctors.

01:43:01.000 The science proved it.

01:43:03.000 Science evolves all the time.

01:43:04.000 And I actually believe in science for...

01:43:06.000 I would give more creative science simply because I've actually done experiments myself.

01:43:10.000 Indeed. I actually created a remote control green tea can.

01:43:14.000 I built it.

01:43:15.000 And I used gyroscopic stabilization and vibration to reduce the surface friction to zero so that it could float across solid surfaces and then use a gyroscopic stabilizer so that it could turn.

01:43:26.000 And that video is actually on YouTube.

01:43:28.000 You can watch it.

01:43:29.000 So I actually tested these things and tried it out and said, wow, I was able to actually put together a radio transmitter that actually received it.

01:43:36.000 And then the receiver received the signal, completing a circuit and causing a motor to spin.

01:43:42.000 I've actually done those things.

01:43:43.000 So I look at these things and I say, yes, based on the experience I've done, I believe it's likely to be true and correct.

01:43:49.000 However, never actually seen oxygen, never seen an atom, been told they exist.

01:43:55.000 In fact, the photo of the black hole they took, not really a photo of a black hole.

01:43:58.000 It's an amalgam of various EMF waves that they compiled together and then said, here's what we think it might look like through a CGI.

01:44:08.000 And then they told everyone this is what a black hole looks like.

01:44:11.000 Thank you.

01:44:12.000 I don't follow the Bible, nor do I believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

01:44:17.000 I am not a Christian.

01:44:19.000 I have no disdain for others who do.

01:44:20.000 I simply just see things differently.

01:44:22.000 But I would never be so arrogant to say, I know things other people don't, simply because some people are deaf, some people are blind.

01:44:29.000 Some people can see things I can't see.

01:44:31.000 Some people can hear things I can't hear. 0.68

01:44:33.000 Women, some of them are tetrachromats. 1.00

01:44:35.000 They can see more colors than I can. 0.84

01:44:37.000 If a woman could see more colors than I could and asserted to me that there was a color on that skateboard, it's not just yellow, it's two colors. 1.00

01:44:45.000 And I said, you're nuts. 0.99

01:44:45.000 I can see it. 0.99

01:44:46.000 It's yellow.

01:44:46.000 She's actually right.

01:44:48.000 She has a fourth rod and cone and she can see colors I can't.

01:44:51.000 But I'm just going to tell her she's wrong because I can't see it.

01:44:54.000 The only thing that I know is that I know nothing.

01:44:56.000 And that doesn't mean I literally don't know a thing.

01:44:58.000 It means that for the most part, we are choosing who to trust and then we are relying on that to build a foundation of what we hope to be true.

01:45:05.000 Which is why when I talk about quantum physics, science, technology, and religion, I often say, if what we believe in science is true, then.

01:45:14.000 However, for all we know, they're just lying and...

01:45:17.000 Computer screens are magic rocks they found in the earth, and they have no idea how they work.

01:45:21.000 Considering that, you know, I've had friends who've actually built them, and I actually watched, after watching Dr. Stone, I watched a video of creating a, what is it, a fluorescent, what do they call it?

01:45:34.000 In Dr. Stone, they take a beaker, and they put like phosphorus on it, and then they make a light that can go up and down and left and right to create a basic screen, and that's how they do a back projection screen.

01:45:43.000 And then I watched a video on YouTube of how it was done, and I was like, oh wow.

01:45:46.000 You actually can see the building blocks of these things.

01:45:48.000 We do got to go to Super Chats.

01:45:49.000 Let me be very clear.

01:45:51.000 I'm not claiming that people that are Christian are wrong.

01:45:54.000 I'm not making that claim.

01:45:56.000 I just don't believe things, and I hope that other people don't without evidence.

01:46:00.000 Evidential proof.

01:46:00.000 That's all.

01:46:01.000 I don't think people are wrong, and I'm not saying it's wrong.

01:46:04.000 I would ask, what do you believe?

01:46:07.000 Well, a lot of stuff, but generally, we could go on for an hour and a half about that.

01:46:13.000 Do you think that machine elves exist?

01:46:15.000 I don't know.

01:46:16.000 No. Not really.

01:46:18.000 Not literally.

01:46:18.000 Not that I know of.

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01:47:49.000 Let's grab your chats!

01:47:51.000 Alright. Corporal Fett says, How much graphene can Ian chug if an Ian was going to chug a graphene?

01:47:58.000 Like the tongue twister there.

01:48:00.000 Probably get down like a quart of it, and then get his nasty stomach ache after that.

01:48:06.000 Ian? I will tell you, of that thing I bought, I went on Amazon and typed in graphene and clicked buy, so I'm assuming it is.

01:48:11.000 No one knows for sure.

01:48:12.000 Exactly. It was clearly dirt.

01:48:14.000 They could have taken pencil and just grinded it up into dust.

01:48:18.000 Graphite. Yep.

01:48:19.000 Sons of bitches. 1.00

01:48:20.000 Graphene. Graphite. 1.00

01:48:22.000 Do my due diligence.

01:48:23.000 Shane H. Wilder says, Governor Abbott just signed the Texas Doge Bill, creating a Texas chapter of Doge.

01:48:29.000 Now if other states will follow suit.

01:48:30.000 Ooh, I like it.

01:48:32.000 Amazing. Porter says, I'd love to buy a ticket and be there, but I can't afford to fly to West Virginia from Washington State for a show.

01:48:38.000 Are you planning on having different venues around the country?

01:48:40.000 That'd be awesome.

01:48:41.000 We are not.

01:48:42.000 Although we may eventually do specials, the general idea is that we are seeking.

01:48:47.000 So the Culture War Live, single venue, relatively small, 60 seats.

01:48:52.000 We have a few more seats, but that's going to be like friends, crew, and things like that for space.

01:48:57.000 Alex Stein's going to be there for one reason.

01:49:00.000 If one of the people who comes up to debate sucks, I don't know how I would kick them off. 0.62

01:49:05.000 You know, I'm not the kind of personality. 0.97

01:49:08.000 Those big, long poles with a hook on the end.

01:49:10.000 Yeah, but I would be sitting down, right?

01:49:12.000 So the point is, it's not a fun show if Tim Pool goes like, hey, bro, you're really bad at debating.

01:49:16.000 Please leave.

01:49:17.000 It's kind of just, it makes you feel bad.

01:49:18.000 But Alex Stein would kick them off in a very funny and entertaining way.

01:49:22.000 Everyone would laugh as he's removing the person from the stage, and I think that's a better show.

01:49:26.000 So that's why we have to have Alex there.

01:49:28.000 We're hoping to do this weekly at the same venue.

01:49:31.000 And we're hoping that if the first one does really well, we're thinking we're going to do this one on May 3rd, then probably another one two weeks later.

01:49:40.000 And we may end up switching to...

01:49:43.000 We've got to work it out, but the general idea is tickets are free right now if you're a member, which means you're paying for membership if you get a free ticket.

01:49:50.000 It's not sustainable because we want people who don't want to just debate.

01:49:56.000 We want people to watch the show.

01:49:58.000 So what we're thinking we're going to do is we're going to sell tickets.

01:50:00.000 However, any member can submit to what will have like 10 reserved seats.

01:50:06.000 Members can submit to join the debates and then we will have those 10 reserved seats for the 10 people who want to and then we'll choose between them during the show.

01:50:14.000 But then we can have 60 seats for sale to the public so people can bring their friends and you don't got to be a member.

01:50:19.000 It's a lot easier to do.

01:50:20.000 That way we can fill seats because ultimately what we want is to find a venue with 100 to 200 seats and have a regularly scheduled Culture War Live.

01:50:30.000 Even liberals are going to come to.

01:50:32.000 A lot of liberals are going to sign up for Tim Pool's thing.

01:50:34.000 But if it's like 10 bucks to get in, then they might be like, I'll definitely come to this and watch, you know, Charlie Kirk debate my friend or somebody.

01:50:40.000 So that's the plan.

01:50:42.000 Should be fun.

01:50:43.000 Let's grab some more.

01:50:47.000 All right.

01:50:47.000 Twilight Kid says next gen should be called Gen X squared because they a lot like Gen X. Well, OK.

01:50:56.000 HSDisturbed says, Bongino put his money where his mouth is, and I respect that so much.

01:51:00.000 I hope he gets some joy in taking down the bad guys.

01:51:03.000 I have to say, to all the people who are like, where's Dan and Cash?

01:51:06.000 What are they doing?

01:51:06.000 I'm just like, I don't know that Dan Bongino would walk away from, like, dozens of millions, whatever that number was, from a show as big as his, to not get the bad guys.

01:51:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:18.000 Like, if you went to Dan and you were like, for $30 million, one time, one purchase, I will let you arrest.

01:51:24.000 Like, I feel like Dan's the guy who would have paid for that job.

01:51:27.000 He'd be like, I will pay you to be able to go in there and arrest these people.

01:51:30.000 That's why I'm like, no one's giving up all that money to go in and then not get the bad guys.

01:51:34.000 No, them being silent is not an aberration.

01:51:36.000 That's part of the process.

01:51:38.000 I will say I appreciate his transparency on X posting and saying, hey, you know, don't trust me.

01:51:45.000 Expect... You know, wait for results.

01:51:47.000 At least he's doing that, because I get frustrated and impatient all the time if you read my XFeed.

01:51:53.000 But to his credit, like, I would like to see more of that from other people in the admin.

01:51:59.000 All right, Groffy says, many chickens enjoy this coup.

01:52:02.000 Coop? LOL, Rumble is waiting for you.

01:52:05.000 It says coup.

01:52:06.000 The chicken coup?

01:52:07.000 The chicken coup.

01:52:08.000 Chickens are great.

01:52:10.000 They're good people.

01:52:13.000 Yeah, let's get a polygraph.

01:52:32.000 Yeah, that's a good idea.

01:52:33.000 How much those things cost?

01:52:34.000 Teach yourself how to override it.

01:52:35.000 That'd be awesome.

01:52:38.000 Because it's your nervous system.

01:52:39.000 It's not just your breathing.

01:52:40.000 Controlling your nervous system is super power.

01:52:44.000 Indeed. My guess?

01:52:47.000 $16,000 for a good one.

01:52:49.000 Someone look it up.

01:52:50.000 We'll buy it.

01:52:51.000 We'll strap into it.

01:52:52.000 We'll film it.

01:52:54.000 I'll be the first. 0.94

01:52:55.000 Beef Nancy says, do the board but have be gay do crime in black light ink or an off-white from the board color so you can barely see it and have to do a double take. 0.99

01:53:06.000 I'm pretty sure if we made a skateboard that said, be gay, do crime... 0.98

01:53:10.000 Two grand. 0.99

01:53:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:12.000 A Stoatling CPS2 polygraph can be priced around $2,000. 0.88

01:53:17.000 If you sold merch that said, be gay, do crime, nobody would care.

01:53:21.000 Like, Hot Topic would sell that. 0.97

01:53:22.000 But if you made a shirt that said, don't be gay, you'd get censored and banned everywhere. 0.63

01:53:26.000 They'd be like, you can't do that, it's homophobic. 0.95

01:53:29.000 Because you said, don't be gay, do crime, that'd be a double whammy. 0.96

01:53:32.000 If you said, be gay, don't do crime... 0.98

01:53:34.000 Well, the idea... 0.96

01:53:35.000 I'll get away with that.

01:53:36.000 Andy's idea was, he said, let's sell two boards.

01:53:39.000 One says don't be gay, one says be gay, and just give the people the choice.

01:53:42.000 And I'm like, well, then everyone will like us.

01:53:44.000 That's true.

01:53:45.000 That's a good way to go about it. 0.90

01:53:47.000 You get one board in case that one does sell, and then they don't be gay board. 0.99

01:53:53.000 I gotta be honest, if we made a board that said be gay, we would sell those two. 1.00

01:53:56.000 Yeah. Like, they're both funny. 0.51

01:53:58.000 People would buy both.

01:53:59.000 Like, the problem with the left is they don't understand the joke.

01:54:03.000 It's like... 0.97

01:54:04.000 It's when South Park said, when they had the episode where the kids were saying fag all the time, and they were like, we're not making fun of gay people. 0.98

01:54:13.000 That's not cool. 0.98

01:54:13.000 Hey, man, that's fine. 0.98

01:54:15.000 They were like, no, we're just insulting the Harley guys.

01:54:17.000 And they didn't understand what the kids were saying because that word means something else.

01:54:21.000 So the joke is the left is always saying be gay, so we're making the inverse.

01:54:26.000 But the problem then is liberals get super offended by that and try and get you banned. 0.95

01:54:30.000 That's that play versus tyranny.

01:54:33.000 You gotta let go.

01:54:34.000 You gotta learn how to play.

01:54:36.000 You gotta allow yourself...

01:54:36.000 Blazing Saddles effect, I think.

01:54:38.000 That's what they call it.

01:54:40.000 Indeed. Great movie, by the way.

01:54:42.000 Trybeard says, Hey Ian, are you still free to judge this weekend?

01:54:44.000 To be a judge, the jam submissions this time are top tier.

01:54:47.000 Hope to work with you again.

01:54:48.000 I think not.

01:54:49.000 I told them that I'm not gonna be around, but...

01:54:53.000 Oh, is that for the Discord?

01:54:54.000 Yeah, dude.

01:54:55.000 The Game Jam.

01:54:55.000 It's awesome.

01:54:56.000 You should host...

01:54:57.000 Gaming? Yeah, a bunch of people develop games.

01:55:00.000 Why don't we do like a song thing?

01:55:03.000 I would love to.

01:55:04.000 Members of Discord submit music and then you judge and then figure out who the winner is.

01:55:08.000 I'd be down.

01:55:08.000 But dude, these games are amazing.

01:55:10.000 Some of the games that they make in like two weeks.

01:55:12.000 You're like, who are these?

01:55:13.000 You could hire ten people and have an entire game development company.

01:55:16.000 Did we ever release the Normie Quest game?

01:55:19.000 I don't think so.

01:55:20.000 No. It's like on a shelf somewhere ready to be dabbled with.

01:55:24.000 There's two versions too.

01:55:25.000 Chris made the King of the Hill one and then we had the other full game one.

01:55:29.000 Dude, these game jams are super cool.

01:55:32.000 I was just not feeling it for some reason, this one, but you want to go with me, Tim?

01:55:38.000 To the game?

01:55:39.000 I feel like you're going to say no.

01:55:40.000 That's why I just asked.

01:55:41.000 I have no time for any of these things.

01:55:42.000 We should host one of those one time.

01:55:44.000 It's super.

01:55:44.000 I got to go to D.C. tomorrow again.

01:55:46.000 But you can do it remote.

01:55:49.000 I got to go to D.C. again tomorrow.

01:55:51.000 That means I got to get in here at 7 in the morning to record my show.

01:55:55.000 Here's the thing.

01:55:56.000 Libby will be hosting the morning live again.

01:55:59.000 However, it's a 43-minute interview with Sebastian Gorka as it is.

01:56:03.000 She's largely just introducing the show, talking news a little bit, and then kicking it off to the interview.

01:56:08.000 So it works out.

01:56:10.000 But, you know, we've got to do work.

01:56:12.000 We've got to do work.

01:56:13.000 They're going to have you on an airplane next.

01:56:15.000 Oh, man.

01:56:16.000 I know.

01:56:17.000 I've got to go to New York soon.

01:56:18.000 This year's getting crazy.

01:56:20.000 Yeah, Air Force One is a possibility.

01:56:23.000 We've talked about that the media is so bent over it.

01:56:27.000 And just because people are in power doesn't mean they're evil.

01:56:31.000 Sometimes there are people with no power that are evil.

01:56:33.000 Sometimes there are people that are power with evil.

01:56:35.000 The current administration, I largely agree with on a lot of things.

01:56:39.000 And I disagree with on some things.

01:56:41.000 You know, Gorka, for instance, was talking about strikes on foreign terror groups and things like this.

01:56:45.000 And then I asked him, I said, you know, I don't really want to be involved in this intervention and stuff.

01:56:48.000 And he explained his point of view.

01:56:50.000 And I said, OK, you know, I get it.

01:56:51.000 I do.

01:56:52.000 I wish it was easy to have more answers, but as long as we're not doing regime change war, then, you know, I think we've got some improvements.

01:56:57.000 But, you know, what do you do?

01:57:00.000 Do you just go to every press briefing and say, Trump, no matter what you do, you're always going to be wrong because I'm a journalist. 1.00

01:57:05.000 That's stupid. 1.00

01:57:06.000 That makes no sense. 1.00

01:57:08.000 It's like Trump rescues a bunch of puppies and they're like, yeah, well, the puppies got hurt.

01:57:12.000 It's like, well, yeah, they were in a fire and Trump saved them.

01:57:14.000 Well, he shouldn't have run through the fire because the puppies got hurt.

01:57:18.000 It's like, bro, not everything Trump does is bad, okay?

01:57:21.000 I actually think a lot of what he does is good, if not most of it.

01:57:26.000 All right, what do we got?

01:57:29.000 Adam Horage says, you need an engineer to join your stream to reign in Ian's technobabble.

01:57:33.000 We can put a space elevator on the moon, but we can't get one to Earth.

01:57:37.000 If you could do that, you couldn't tie the two platforms together.

01:57:40.000 Orbits still exist.

01:57:41.000 That's true.

01:57:42.000 I think that was clear.

01:57:43.000 You know what we should do, though?

01:57:45.000 We should create a massive series of cables.

01:57:49.000 And bolt them to the moon, and then pull all the cables down to Earth, and then get heavy machinery, and just pull the moon into the Earth, causing its orbit to decay, and then the moon to shift all the tides 20 feet in the air,

01:58:04.000 just plunging Earth into a perpetual flood, which wipes out all of the distance.

01:58:09.000 And then we can have a big surf contest.

01:58:10.000 While we die.

01:58:12.000 The guys are going to seed the clouds and block out the clouds?

01:58:14.000 We should talk about that on the after show tonight.

01:58:16.000 Do you hear that?

01:58:17.000 Oh, I did, I reported, yeah, the Mr. Burns plan.

01:58:20.000 Dude, but what we could build is a couple of slingshots from our orbital platforms to slingshot stuff from Earth to the Moon's platform and back.

01:58:27.000 There's like a magnetic slingshot.

01:58:29.000 Did you see the slingshot orbital launch?

01:58:31.000 Yes, spin launch.

01:58:32.000 Yeah, it spins a package as fast as it can and then boom!

01:58:36.000 You could have that in orbit and just fling stuff over to the other place and catch it and then slow it down like in a reverse spin.

01:58:42.000 That's crazy.

01:58:44.000 Launching things into orbit with a gigantic spinning wheel.

01:58:47.000 For what reason was this?

01:58:48.000 To launch packages to the space station.

01:58:51.000 Oh, I gotcha.

01:58:52.000 Instead of using a rocket to carry things up, you just put a payload in the thing, spin it, and boom!

01:58:56.000 Okay, I gotcha.

01:58:57.000 And they don't actually technically have to catch it.

01:58:59.000 You just have to get it into orbit.

01:59:01.000 You've got a big neck and go ahead.

01:59:03.000 Imagine it'd be an arm.

01:59:04.000 No, the payload will have the ability, it has thrusters.

01:59:08.000 Yeah. So it's able to...

01:59:10.000 And press gas.

01:59:10.000 And reorient it.

01:59:11.000 Yeah, right.

01:59:12.000 Okay. And then it can just float to the space station and then lock into place.

01:59:15.000 Crazy. Or satellites.

01:59:17.000 I was thinking it was the first rocket was a rock.

01:59:20.000 Get it?

01:59:21.000 Rock-et?

01:59:23.000 Someone put a rock in some explosive tube and they were like, we're firing rock-ets.

01:59:27.000 Little rocks.

01:59:28.000 I don't know if that's how it worked.

01:59:30.000 I don't either.

01:59:31.000 Female rocks. 1.00

01:59:32.000 The rock-ets.

01:59:33.000 Rock-ets.

01:59:33.000 Got it.

01:59:34.000 Yeah. All right.

01:59:36.000 Let's see what we got.

01:59:36.000 Seven Legion says, Ian, 500 people say they saw Jesus risen back to life, and the majority of them refused to recant even if they were being executed for saying it.

01:59:44.000 Well, I mean, God.

01:59:49.000 The problem is, it just goes back to the beginning again, is like, without verifiable evidence, I have a hard time believing any of the story at all.

01:59:56.000 Is witness testimony evidence?

01:59:58.000 If they're alive, and they're here, and they're saying it, that's a form of evidence.

02:00:02.000 So you don't believe World War II happened?

02:00:04.000 Oh no, there's tons of evidence.

02:00:06.000 Tons of evidence.

02:00:06.000 But the eyewitnesses are, there's only like a couple Holocaust survivors left.

02:00:10.000 I mean, most eyewitness testimony doesn't exist anymore.

02:00:11.000 No, you don't need eyewitness testimony.

02:00:14.000 But it's a form of evidence.

02:00:16.000 So you don't think that Rome existed?

02:00:19.000 I do think that Rome existed, yeah.

02:00:21.000 Why? There's no way to track.

02:00:23.000 I mean, who knows?

02:00:23.000 It could have been called Moor and not Rome.

02:00:25.000 Well, now you're getting into ancient history manipulation.

02:00:28.000 It could have been something different.

02:00:29.000 What if it was Arteria?

02:00:30.000 A lot of that stuff could have been different.

02:00:32.000 I think all of those structures is actually evidence of Tartaria.

02:00:37.000 That's like barbaria?

02:00:38.000 That's where that term comes from?

02:00:39.000 Tartaria? Yeah, they were the foreigners. 1.00

02:00:41.000 Tartaria. Tartar barbar was like, meant foreigner. 0.94

02:00:44.000 That's where their words come from.

02:00:46.000 Tartaria was the idea of everything outside of Rome, essentially.

02:00:50.000 I actually think Rome was Atlantis.

02:00:53.000 I don't know, because the evidence doesn't work anymore.

02:00:56.000 The Romans? 0.92

02:00:57.000 Well, the Greeks were... 0.99

02:01:00.000 Who knows?

02:01:01.000 The point is, Ian, your argument is that no historical event ever happened because historian testimony doesn't matter.

02:01:07.000 No, no, that's terrible in this representation.

02:01:10.000 If 500 people says Jesus was risen, is that not evidence?

02:01:13.000 The thing is, a guy telling me that 500 people said a thing is not admissible evidence.

02:01:19.000 That doesn't help me.

02:01:21.000 There are so many paths you could go down of stories of people who have tried to prove themselves wrong.

02:01:28.000 In your position, right, that have come out on the other side believing Jesus, though?

02:01:34.000 Would you listen to those stories?

02:01:36.000 Ian, do you believe the Donner party happened?

02:01:38.000 Yeah. Why?

02:01:40.000 I've just seen them die?

02:01:42.000 No, there were survivors.

02:01:43.000 Okay. And each other in the mountains.

02:01:44.000 But how do you know?

02:01:45.000 There's literally no physical evidence, and there never was.

02:01:47.000 It's just a group of people that came back and were like, we ate people, and they went, we believe it.

02:01:51.000 And now it's a historical fact, apparently.

02:01:53.000 Maybe it didn't happen the way they said.

02:01:55.000 Maybe. It definitely didn't happen the way they said.

02:01:56.000 I'm not one of those people that's a question-everything guy.

02:01:58.000 I don't like people like that.

02:02:00.000 You need evidence, you know?

02:02:01.000 And then you need to find things you believe in.

02:02:03.000 But why would you accept the Donner Party and not the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

02:02:06.000 Well, those people were alive in modern times with video cameras talking about...

02:02:10.000 What? The Donner Party?

02:02:12.000 The late 1800s?

02:02:12.000 Hold on a second.

02:02:14.000 Is this the people from...

02:02:15.000 No, the movie Alive.

02:02:16.000 I was thinking of the movie Alive.

02:02:17.000 The Donner Party was people heading west, and they thought there was a passage that was really open, and they got stuck, and then they starved to death, and then they ate each other.

02:02:26.000 One guy went out, and he left his wife and kid back behind because he wanted to go find them, I think.

02:02:30.000 Never happened, actually.

02:02:31.000 I don't know.

02:02:32.000 I don't know.

02:02:32.000 There's no proof.

02:02:33.000 I would love to talk about Jesus.

02:02:35.000 I mean, I would sit here for...

02:02:36.000 Ten hours and talk about Jesus.

02:02:38.000 I would love to do that.

02:02:39.000 Have you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis?

02:02:41.000 No. You need to read it.

02:02:42.000 What's it called?

02:02:43.000 Mere Christianity. 0.95

02:02:44.000 M-E-R-E. 0.99

02:02:47.000 Do you believe that George Washington crossed the Delaware in the Revolution?

02:02:52.000 Generally. In the winter?

02:02:53.000 Generally, but if you really press me on it, I don't have any evidence to prove it.

02:02:57.000 There's none.

02:02:58.000 But I have a general...

02:02:59.000 See, belief is a loaded word here.

02:03:01.000 Like, I guess your belief can increase in something.

02:03:04.000 Like, I kind of believe it.

02:03:05.000 But that's kind of a weird thing.

02:03:07.000 Either you do or you don't.

02:03:08.000 So, you know what?

02:03:09.000 Right, so you're just choosing not to believe the Bible.

02:03:12.000 I was watching, how about the Mongols invaded Europe? 0.99

02:03:14.000 Do I believe the Mongols invaded Europe? 0.93

02:03:16.000 No idea.

02:03:17.000 No evidence.

02:03:18.000 There's evidence.

02:03:19.000 It's just, I don't know how good the evidence is.

02:03:21.000 Did chickens come from Southeast Asia?

02:03:23.000 No idea.

02:03:23.000 There's no evidence.

02:03:24.000 I don't know.

02:03:24.000 Is that what they say they did?

02:03:26.000 That's where they did come from.

02:03:27.000 Yeah. All right, everybody.

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02:05:45.000 you.

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02:05:55.000 There we go.

02:05:56.000 That was the fault of the restarting the computer, I think.

02:06:01.000 So anyway, there's a super chat that said Ian doesn't even agree with Ian, and now for the third time you have to say it again because the mics weren't working.

02:06:08.000 No, I was just saying all you have to do is ask him what he believes in, and then he'll go down that rabbit hole and land in the same spot he's at with Christianity and Jesus.

02:06:18.000 Indeed. We got the same stupid problem on the... 1.00

02:06:21.000 I'm assuming it's working. 1.00

02:06:27.000 Where? It said default, but it said it was getting no audio.

02:06:33.000 Well, now it's frozen.

02:06:38.000 Take five.

02:06:39.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:06:40.000 How do I get out of this stupid menu? 1.00

02:06:45.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:06:46.000 How do we close the menu? 1.00

02:06:50.000 Man, this stupid app. 1.00

02:06:51.000 There it is. 1.00

02:06:52.000 It was hidden.

02:06:53.000 I don't know if we're getting, are we getting audio in the, I don't know if people in the chat can hear us in the Discord.

02:07:06.000 Whatever. Anyway, for those that are watching on Rumble, you can hear us, because I can see the audio, but for some reason Discord's acting weird.

02:07:12.000 But, yeah, do you want to ask Ian then?

02:07:16.000 Oh yeah, what were you going to say?

02:07:18.000 I was just going to ask.

02:07:19.000 I mean, you did wear your Technicolor dreamcoat today. 1.00

02:07:21.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:07:22.000 So what do you believe in? 1.00

02:07:24.000 Well, you know, I used to think the cosmic microwave background radiation, which you can see through these radio telescopes, it's like the leftover radiation from the Big Bang.

02:07:31.000 And it looks kind of like a web, almost like a neural net.

02:07:34.000 That's fake.

02:07:34.000 Why do you believe in the Big Bang, though?

02:07:36.000 No, background radiation is totally fake.

02:07:38.000 It's made up.

02:07:39.000 So wait, wait, wait.

02:07:40.000 No, no, no, hold on.

02:07:41.000 Hold on.

02:07:41.000 I'm going to tell you.

02:07:42.000 I'm going to tell you.

02:07:43.000 Because, you know, I know it's not real.

02:07:45.000 These things were made up by people to trick us into believing that this science and space is real, but we know space isn't because there's a firmament and it's water above the firmament.

02:07:53.000 Which makes it impossible.

02:07:54.000 And my evidence?

02:07:55.000 The Shroud of Turin.

02:07:56.000 The Shroud of Turin shows the imprint of Jesus Christ, which proves Christ is real, and I've seen photos of it.

02:08:01.000 And people have told me.

02:08:02.000 And that's real evidence.

02:08:04.000 I just thought it was really funny, because you were like...

02:08:08.000 That's 2,000 years ago.

02:08:10.000 You can't trust that.

02:08:11.000 And you just went back to the beginning of all time and creation with the Big Bang.

02:08:15.000 They think that what they're looking at when they look at through radio telescopes...

02:08:19.000 Well, I was listening to a scientist a few days ago.

02:08:23.000 It's a hell of a poker face you got.

02:08:25.000 He's good at this.

02:08:27.000 That's why we're friends in a lot of ways.

02:08:30.000 So they think that it's the leftover radiation exploding out of the center of the...

02:08:34.000 The popcorn.

02:08:34.000 I think the universe is like a Taurus.

02:08:37.000 It's going around.

02:08:38.000 I think it's going through the big crunch.

02:08:40.000 It crunches and then explodes out the other side.

02:08:41.000 Okay, wait, wait.

02:08:42.000 Hold on.

02:08:43.000 It crunches again and explodes out and it's constantly flowing.

02:08:45.000 In all seriousness, outside of the joking about the background radiation, bro, big crunch was disproven like a hundred years ago.

02:08:52.000 I just feel like...

02:08:53.000 I don't know why I visualize this.

02:08:55.000 Are you familiar with big crunch?

02:09:00.000 The idea that at some point the universe will...

02:09:03.000 Collapse into a singularity.

02:09:05.000 Yes, I've heard that.

02:09:07.000 So, current physical models disprove that.

02:09:10.000 Now, science can always change.

02:09:12.000 One of the theories right now is that it's not a Big Bang.

02:09:16.000 It wasn't a singularity.

02:09:17.000 It's a white hole.

02:09:18.000 We're on the other side of a black hole in a fourth-dimensional pocket in a twelfth-dimensional universe.

02:09:24.000 That makes a lot of sense being inside.

02:09:25.000 I like the inside the black hole theory.

02:09:28.000 That's why when you look out, it's a sphere.

02:09:30.000 Everywhere you look, the universe is a sphere.

02:09:31.000 Because we're inside of a bubble.

02:09:33.000 So there is a white hole is the other side of the black hole where matter is being sprayed outwards instead of inward.

02:09:39.000 And there is also an event horizon where the universe is expanding so quickly that you can't travel fast enough through it.

02:09:45.000 You're moving backwards in the expansion of the universe.

02:09:49.000 But I just think it's funny that, in your mind, an idea that was largely considered to be discredited 100 years ago is still possible.

02:09:58.000 Yeah, that does happen sometimes.

02:10:00.000 So then why believe that, not something else?

02:10:02.000 Well, I choose to believe that, even though science says it's wrong.

02:10:05.000 Physics? The laws of physics?

02:10:08.000 Physicists say that's not correct.

02:10:09.000 Why believe it?

02:10:11.000 Because if the universe is a Taurus, I don't necessarily believe it.

02:10:15.000 I just feel like it's the most likely scenarios that we're in a revolving Taurus.

02:10:18.000 Well, that's it right there.

02:10:20.000 That's how people land on Christianity, though.

02:10:23.000 I just feel like that's the most likely solution.

02:10:28.000 I guess, but then I guess it just is a debate about...

02:10:31.000 My beliefs of, like, what...

02:10:32.000 Because physics.

02:10:34.000 I like physics.

02:10:35.000 The idea that a guy could resurrect is, like, not physically...

02:10:38.000 Yes, it is.

02:10:39.000 A human being resurrected from the dead and going up into...

02:10:42.000 Like, that's not physics.

02:10:43.000 Yes, it is.

02:10:44.000 What? Are you joking?

02:10:45.000 No. Bro, we've met people here who have died and come back to life.

02:10:50.000 But that's not what they said.

02:10:51.000 They said his body rose into heaven. 0.99

02:10:53.000 I've watched people fucking put on a jetpack and fly into heaven. 0.99

02:10:57.000 Well, if he did that, that would be a different story. 0.99

02:10:59.000 But, I mean...

02:11:00.000 It's just...

02:11:01.000 The fantastical stuff's a little more...

02:11:02.000 Is anti-gravity possible?

02:11:05.000 Hypothetically, yeah.

02:11:06.000 It is.

02:11:06.000 Theoretically, yeah.

02:11:07.000 Theoretically. Lots of different ways to do it.

02:11:08.000 Is it possible that Jesus has abilities beyond your comprehension?

02:11:13.000 For sure.

02:11:14.000 And is any technology that is undiscovered indistinguishable from magic?

02:11:19.000 Yeah, that's a quote by Arthur C. Clarke, I think.

02:11:21.000 So would it not be that...

02:11:23.000 The son of God has access to physical capabilities that you would not understand but is still within the realm of physics?

02:11:29.000 Well, that's a loaded—I don't agree with the premise of the question.

02:11:32.000 I don't know that saying he is the son of God is fair.

02:11:35.000 You have to prove that.

02:11:37.000 Just say that's the case.

02:11:42.000 Treat the argument as if it's real. 0.99

02:11:44.000 It's hard to do, because if I'm like, did you enjoy fucking that chick, Phil? 0.99

02:11:47.000 And you're like, I didn't even fuck anyone. 0.99

02:11:48.000 How do I answer this question? 1.00

02:11:49.000 I can't say no, because that would admit that I fucked her. 1.00

02:11:51.000 I'm asking you a conditional hypothetical, and you can't understand it. 0.99

02:11:54.000 Yeah. No, I understand.

02:11:55.000 The question is, if he were a magician and he had magic powers, could he cast magic?

02:12:00.000 God sent his only son to Earth.

02:12:02.000 Does it not make sense that Jesus would have capabilities within this plane of existence beyond your comprehension?

02:12:09.000 Maybe. But just because he's the son of God doesn't mean he would necessarily have...

02:12:14.000 No, it doesn't make sense that he would.

02:12:17.000 That he could.

02:12:18.000 Indeed. The answer is yes.

02:12:20.000 Yeah, but the proportion is that he's a magician that has magical abilities, so can he cast magic is the question.

02:12:25.000 But magic is just physical capabilities we don't yet understand.

02:12:29.000 It is components of physics that exist within...

02:12:32.000 The realm of possibility we don't yet understand how it happens.

02:12:34.000 If you said, like, in 2,000 years a guy will raise from the dead, I'll be like, okay, well, now let's follow that. 0.91

02:12:40.000 But if you're saying 2,000 years ago when our technology was shit, I didn't know that.

02:12:44.000 What if Atlantis exists and the king had a son who lived outside of Atlantis, and then one day the son, this individual, a messenger came to him, an emissary of Atlantis, 0.59

02:12:59.000 and said, You're actually the son of the king of Atlantis.

02:13:02.000 We have profound technologies these people don't quite understand.

02:13:05.000 We can grant you the ability to fly, to heal.

02:13:07.000 You can replicate food.

02:13:09.000 We will give you this small device.

02:13:12.000 And when you touch but one piece of bread, it will turn to 20. We will give you this device.

02:13:16.000 When you tap the water, it will become wine.

02:13:18.000 And he went, oh my god, wow. 0.97

02:13:20.000 And then they said, if these people find out that you are of Atlantis, they will kill you. 0.99

02:13:25.000 And then he dies. 0.68

02:13:28.000 And then Atlantis resurrects him.

02:13:30.000 And he levitates into the sky.

02:13:31.000 Would that be possible?

02:13:32.000 Of course.

02:13:33.000 Possible, but I use Occam's razor.

02:13:36.000 Likely they lied.

02:13:37.000 Likely they just lied.

02:13:38.000 The most likely scenario is the humans lie.

02:13:41.000 Probably. I don't disagree.

02:13:42.000 That's why I'm not a Christian.

02:13:43.000 My issue is that I recognize the basic philosophy of the question to ask, what is knowledge?

02:13:51.000 Why do I believe what I believe?

02:13:53.000 And why do I have faith?

02:13:54.000 Which leads me to a position where I recognize.

02:13:56.000 I typically have faith based on my perspective and my experiences, hence why I don't lie and just—I'm not going to lie and pretend to be a Christian.

02:14:04.000 I don't feel that.

02:14:05.000 I don't see it.

02:14:06.000 I do believe in God, however.

02:14:07.000 But I also recognize when I meet Christians and they say, these are my experiences, this is why I choose to believe this, I go, okay. 0.90

02:14:14.000 Yeah. I mean, shit. 1.00

02:14:16.000 What we think we know is probably one googleth of reality. 1.00

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 24, 2025

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