Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - DOJ INDICTS CASTRO, America Will TAKE CUBA | Timcast IRL

00:02:13.000 Well, hell, ladies and gentlemen, what is up?

00:02:16.000 Jack Posobick in here for the great Tim Poole.

00:02:20.000 He is on sabbatical this week.

00:02:22.000 We wish him well in his transition.

00:02:25.000 And a number of us are holding it down.

00:02:28.000 Transition to not being on the show for a week, transition to vacation.

00:02:28.000 And what do you know?

00:02:32.000 That's everyone in the room is giving me looks like transition to what?

00:02:35.000 No, no, no.

00:02:36.000 All will be revealed when Tim comes back.

00:02:39.000 But our lead story tonight very, very big stuff.

00:02:44.000 Is the United States poised to take military action in the communist state, the communist island of Cuba, just miles off the southern coast of Miami?

00:02:57.000 A place where I actually had the honor and privilege of serving at Guantanamo Bay for about a year.

00:03:03.000 We talk about all of that.

00:03:05.000 We got a lot of stories tonight.

00:03:07.000 We have incredible guests here in studio joining us.

00:03:11.000 And yes, Tim will be back as soon as possible.

00:03:15.000 Possible, but we're very excited to also have as a special guest tonight, in addition to yours truly, Dr. Joseph Witt Doring.

00:03:22.000 Hey, Jack, hey, really happy to be here.

00:03:25.000 Tell us, but tell us who you are, tell us about yourself.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, so I'm a psychiatrist, I help people come off psychiatric drugs that are ruining their life.

00:03:32.000 I mean, what, what, all right, end of story like, just cut the show off right there.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, what's how do you help people do that?

00:03:40.000 So, um, do a lot of education, you know, talking about how throwing more psychiatric drugs at mental health problems in the U.S. is not helping people, in fact.

00:03:49.000 It's making people worse.

00:03:50.000 And so I go around the country talking about that.

00:03:53.000 And then in my clinic, we get all sorts of people coming in, and then we do these very long, slow tapers, get people off the drugs, because the doctors don't know how to get people off these medications.

00:04:04.000 They mess it up, they go way too quickly.

00:04:07.000 And then when people end up in withdrawal, they say, ah, your underlying illness, you need to stay on.

00:04:11.000 And so that's why we've got like 17% of Americans on antidepressants right now.

00:04:17.000 It's just wild.

00:04:19.000 And so what we do is we pair these drug tapers with.

00:04:23.000 All of the stuff that people should be doing.

00:04:25.000 You know, we have therapy, we do dietary and lifestyle change, we do sleep training, and essentially give them all of the stuff that they should have been given instead of a prescription in a seven minute visit, you know, 10 years ago, which was just mindlessly continued.

00:04:41.000 And you press the button.

00:04:42.000 Well, here, let's put a pause on that because I think I want to come back to it, but let's go around the room because we're also joined by Libby Evans.

00:04:49.000 I'm Libby Evans.

00:04:50.000 I'm really glad to be here with everybody tonight.

00:04:52.000 This is terrific.

00:04:55.000 You, what Libby Emmons, post millennial.

00:04:57.000 That's my thing. 0.97

00:04:57.000 I do that. 0.97

00:04:58.000 Post millennial and human events.

00:04:59.000 I'm the editor.

00:05:00.000 Chris Carr is over here.

00:05:01.000 What's up, Chris Carr, writer, editor, and proud father of two wild boys.

00:05:05.000 Let's go.

00:05:06.000 I also have two wild boys.

00:05:07.000 They are phenomenal.

00:05:08.000 Isn't it the best?

00:05:08.000 It's the best thing in the world.

00:05:10.000 Well, I am a wild boy.

00:05:11.000 I'm actually looking forward to getting up the drugs myself.

00:05:13.000 So, Joseph, I'm glad you're here.

00:05:15.000 Drinking coffee now.

00:05:16.000 Caffeine, maybe one of the most insidious drugs on the planet.

00:05:18.000 Maybe the biggest psyop ever known.

00:05:20.000 I don't know, but we get into that later as well.

00:05:22.000 At Ian Crossin, you'll find me on the internet.

00:05:24.000 Happy to be here.

00:05:24.000 Carter Banks.

00:05:25.000 Also hanging out.

00:05:26.000 And thank you all for joining us.

00:05:28.000 Let's get into it, Jack.

00:05:29.000 Yeah, let's get it back to this first story.

00:05:31.000 So, we saw the headline earlier today.

00:05:34.000 This came down Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch, and CBS has the story.

00:05:40.000 U.S. indicts Cuba's Raul Castro on murder and conspiracy charges for downing of planes in 1996.

00:05:48.000 Libby, I think you were digging into what is the actual underlying case here?

00:05:52.000 Yeah, so I was checking this out before the show, and Raul Castro has been charged for his alleged role in the February 24th, 1996 shoot down of.

00:06:02.000 Two unarmed U.S. civilian aircraft operated by Brothers to the Rescue, also known as Hermanos al Rescate, over international waters.

00:06:12.000 Once we take a closer look, it turns out that according to these allegations, three of these aircraft flew from South Florida toward Cuba.

00:06:20.000 They were trying to look around and see if there were any Cuban migrants in need of assistance.

00:06:25.000 Cuban military fighter jets under the chain of command overseen by Raul Castro fired air to air missiles at two unarmed civilian Cessna aircraft.

00:06:34.000 Destroying them without warning while they were flying outside Cuban territory and killing four US nationals, including three citizens.

00:06:41.000 It's like the Bay of Pigs all over again.

00:06:44.000 I don't know about what you think.

00:06:46.000 Well, I don't know if it's Bay of Pigs because it's not a full, full on operation.

00:06:50.000 But I guess the question here is do we, and I don't have any inside knowledge on this, but you know, the question is does this ratchet things up for the United States?

00:07:00.000 And we'll, you know, throw it to the chat, throw it to everyone for the United States to potentially look.

00:07:04.000 At an operation similar to Venezuela, because what happened immediately preceding that, Maduro was indicted.

00:07:11.000 So, Maduro was indicted.

00:07:13.000 And remember, that is not seen as, you know, the media would say, oh, it's a kidnapping or it was, you know, they blackbagged him, et cetera.

00:07:20.000 But officially speaking, from a legal perspective, that was extradition to go and stand charges for Nicolas Maduro.

00:07:28.000 It was right before the, I think it was February, it was like right before the State of the Union.

00:07:31.000 And right at the beginning of this year, where we woke up and said, oh my gosh, we've just arrested the. 0.62

00:07:37.000 Leader of a foreign country brought him back to New York City to stand trial.

00:07:41.000 So the question is, do you guys think that's going to happen here? 0.82

00:07:44.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:07:45.000 I think it is the playbook.

00:07:46.000 And they've been, we know that the military industrial complex, the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted Cuba as far back as JFK.

00:07:52.000 They tried to get JFK and what's called Operation Northwoods to sign paperwork fabricating that the Cubans had killed Americans.

00:07:58.000 They were going to dress people up in Cuban uniforms. 0.73

00:08:00.000 We're six minutes in, we're at Operation Northwoods. 0.99

00:08:02.000 It's already going to be a good show.

00:08:04.000 And I don't blame them.

00:08:04.000 No joke.

00:08:05.000 That was a Soviet missile outpost for most of the Cold War, terrifying.

00:08:10.000 The thing is, like, does this justify China taking Taiwan because it's right off their coast, too?

00:08:14.000 I tend to think that the military industrial complex is in control of Earth right now. 0.80

00:08:17.000 I don't think the Chinese are going to overstep, but I think it's the next step of securing the northern and, I guess, western hemisphere militarily and economically, personally. 0.98

00:08:27.000 What is Cuba? 0.96

00:08:27.000 Libya, do you think we're getting, we're going to see military action? 0.96

00:08:29.000 What do you think we're going to see? 0.65

00:08:31.000 I mean, maybe if we're lucky, we'll see another one of those sonic weapons and they'll go in and blow the sonic weapon.

00:08:31.000 Yeah.

00:08:36.000 Everyone's eardrums will blow out.

00:08:38.000 That's right.

00:08:38.000 And they will kidnap Raul Castro and drag him to Miami where he'll face charges.

00:08:43.000 Just like we did with Maduro.

00:08:44.000 I don't know.

00:08:45.000 I don't know if this is the greatest thing to do.

00:08:48.000 I'm not super jazzed about all of the foreign intervention in other nations, especially since with Venezuela, like if we're going to take Venezuela, I thought we could at least just take all their oil, but I'm still paying like $450 for gas.

00:09:02.000 Fair enough.

00:09:03.000 With Cuba, I hope that Castro, because what is he, like 90?

00:09:06.000 He's so old.

00:09:07.000 I hope that he just takes a plea deal or gets sold out and then it peacefully transitions.

00:09:11.000 I don't think so.

00:09:12.000 So that was going to be, so that was actually my take is that, because remember, so, um, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, was just down meeting with members of the Cuban government.

00:09:23.000 And so this sets up, I think, kind of a different situation with Venezuela.

00:09:26.000 You wouldn't really see high level officials doing a meeting like that, holding a meeting like that.

00:09:31.000 And so, what I think might be even more interesting that's going on, and Axios has some good stories about this as well about how Marco Rubio is talking to elements of the government, including Raul Castro's grandson.

00:09:47.000 So, Could he be setting it up where they're sort of like getting rid of the old communists and bringing in the new leadership who are cutting a deal with the Americans?

00:09:58.000 And are they, I mean, are they communists too?

00:10:00.000 The new people, the younger people.

00:10:02.000 Yeah, I mean, the whole thing's coming.

00:10:03.000 They're all coming.

00:10:04.000 It's a regime.

00:10:05.000 Right.

00:10:05.000 But the point is, these would be pro US regime leaders.

00:10:09.000 Well, this is eventually what happened in Venezuela.

00:10:13.000 Just the question of, hey, do we actually need this military operation or not?

00:10:19.000 So maybe it's just, maybe they hand them over.

00:10:21.000 The last thing I'm going to say about Cuba, until I want to hear what you guys think about this too, is this is the Cuban crisis, the 100 year crisis of having communists control an island off our coast.

00:10:30.000 Is a result of the Americans not seizing that island when they liberated it from the Spanish and the Spanish War.

00:10:36.000 1898, we fought a war against the Empire of Spain to free Cuba.

00:10:42.000 We let them be free and they chose a communist dictator.

00:10:44.000 Remember the Maine.

00:10:45.000 So, like, sometimes letting people be free is like a bad thing.

00:10:50.000 You might want to control it instead.

00:10:52.000 A weird take, I know.

00:10:53.000 I'm all for freedom, but like freedom at what cost?

00:10:55.000 You need to set up borders to protect people so that they can be free.

00:10:59.000 That's my take.

00:10:59.000 You know, there was also, you know, I mean, there's so many different alternate history takes on Cuba.

00:11:05.000 So, actually, when I was there, I got to Guantanamo.

00:11:08.000 So, I spent just under a year at Guantanamo.

00:11:13.000 But you can't leave the base, right?

00:11:15.000 Because there's no status force agreement with the Cuban government.

00:11:18.000 So, we could walk up to the fence, give or take.

00:11:21.000 Supposedly, there's a lot of mines around there, so you don't want to get too close to the fence.

00:11:26.000 And so, when you're there, you can look into Cuba and you're physically on the island of Cuba, but just sort of on the one tail end of it, as opposed to being able to get to the rest of it.

00:11:34.000 We used to have a joke you could get these t shirts that said Guantanamo Bay, close, but no cigar.

00:11:41.000 I still have one somewhere.

00:11:42.000 And it was interesting, though, because you could rent sailboats and motorboats and go fishing on the weekend or whatever in the actual bay itself.

00:11:50.000 There's a lot of snorkeling down there, a lot of scuba.

00:11:53.000 And I got into freediving a lot when I was there.

00:11:56.000 And for whatever reason, the deal that we signed with the Cubans originally allowed them counter passage rights basically through the bay. 0.77

00:12:08.000 So they would send their spy boats through the bay, pretty much.

00:12:11.000 A couple times a week, you know, would send these boats with these guys with, you know, clearly had signal collectors on them and guys with huge binoculars would be looking through at us.

00:12:21.000 And they would always say, like, hey, don't go too far up the river because then you're actually in Cuba and, you know, they might do something like this and shoot you down again or something like that.

00:12:29.000 So it would be, it was pretty wild.

00:12:32.000 So I'll just say from a personal standpoint, I've always had this sort of interest in being able to actually see the rest of the island because you're sitting there for so long, you're just stewing because, like, you can't.

00:12:44.000 Can't go out and see the rest of it.

00:12:45.000 I wondered growing up in the 80s and 90s, like, why didn't the Americans just take Cuba by force?

00:12:49.000 Do you think it would set off a chain reaction of superpowers? 0.56

00:12:52.000 Because, yeah, because they were allied with the Russians.

00:12:55.000 They were allied with the Soviets.

00:12:56.000 So, I mean, that's really because remember, even in the Cuban Missile Crisis, that's because the United States had put long range missiles in Turkey.

00:13:03.000 And then the Soviets put long range missiles in Cuba.

00:13:07.000 So, as in missiles that could strike Moscow and missiles that could strike Washington, D.C.

00:13:11.000 And of course, we just didn't really talk about that part.

00:13:14.000 Interesting.

00:13:15.000 What do you think, Carr?

00:13:16.000 I'm pretty much with Libby on this. 0.83

00:13:18.000 I mean, I'm just so fatigued with the foreign intervention stuff when we got 20 to 30 million problems to deal with here. 0.71

00:13:24.000 I mean, it seems like they want to prioritize everything, including indicting a 94 year old guy instead of just like addressing problems that are more urgent and pressing here.

00:13:32.000 It's exhausting. 0.99

00:13:35.000 Although I would like to see Cuba.

00:13:36.000 I would like it to be, I mean, just, you know, aesthetically.

00:13:38.000 Ever since Hemingway had his exploits in Cuba, I've always wanted to go there.

00:13:41.000 And this would be a nice pretext, I suppose, later on down the road.

00:13:43.000 You can always just go to Key West, though, right?

00:13:45.000 Well, yeah, that's true.

00:13:46.000 That's true.

00:13:47.000 QS isn't Cuba.

00:13:47.000 No, QS is QS.

00:13:49.000 This kind of breaks it.

00:13:50.000 The cigars aren't the same, I hear.

00:13:51.000 This rips open a philosophical conversation about what the Romans did, seizing external territory to protect the mainland.

00:14:00.000 Because you say you want to strengthen the United States, but if you have enemies literally on the border that can lob artillery into your country, you're not safe.

00:14:07.000 So, just as the Romans did, we've reached out and basically taken land and subjugated countries around us in order to protect and strengthen the homeland, so to speak, especially economically, because you can extract the resources from them.

00:14:20.000 So, at what point would you ever suggest we give. 0.97

00:14:24.000 Pull out our bases of the 100 countries or wherever we have and just kind of turtle up.

00:14:29.000 I mean, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, but. 0.90

00:14:31.000 No, I agree with that.

00:14:32.000 I mean, if your kid's misusing a toy or all their toys, you take it away from them.

00:14:35.000 We've misused our military extensively for decades.

00:14:38.000 I think it's time for us to dial it all back.

00:14:40.000 We have to focus on this country first.

00:14:41.000 And for some reason, that's just not a priority for the.

00:14:45.000 It's funny you talked about communists taking over.

00:14:47.000 We're already run by communists in the shadows of the government.

00:14:49.000 I mean, it has been like that since at least Kennedy, probably since World War II.

00:14:52.000 You know, I mean, so we already are run by a crypto communist set of.

00:14:56.000 Bureaucrats that are unelected and unaccountable to the American people.

00:14:58.000 And there's more on the way.

00:15:00.000 I don't disagree.

00:15:01.000 I certainly don't disagree with what you're saying at all.

00:15:02.000 I do think, though, that I would draw a distinction between countries that are in our own hemisphere and countries that are literally on our doorstep, as opposed to ones that are thousands of miles away that, you know, are not a direct, you know, effect to us.

00:15:20.000 Guantanamo, it's our oldest overseas base, 1898, to your point.

00:15:25.000 And It's uh, we actually got to travel some of the like walk some of the steps of the Spanish American War.

00:15:31.000 We were trying to find like Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders where they actually had come through.

00:15:35.000 And there's even a fair bit of evidence that Christopher Columbus even sailed into Guantanamo Bay.

00:15:40.000 Oh, really?

00:15:40.000 That, um, yeah, that there's like a plaque there that talks about he, I don't think he got off, but that he, I think it was his second trip and doing this from memory, but, but yeah, there was this plaque that you know, they're pretty sure that Columbus had come here and said, oh, this, you know, you could build a great city here and this would be an incredible economic uh driver, which it would be.

00:15:59.000 If the island wasn't communist. 0.99

00:16:02.000 So, like, I might say on the Middle East, I used to think, like, we got to get out of the Middle East, stop these Iraq, Afghanistan. 0.70

00:16:08.000 That's why I started making YouTube videos. 0.98

00:16:09.000 I was irate about that Iraqi invasion. 0.81

00:16:13.000 But then I realized that we are now controlling the Suez Canal through force because we control those areas. 0.70

00:16:18.000 Israel's stocked up with nukes, they were ready to blow anything up that tries to take it.

00:16:23.000 If we were to retract from that, then the economic damage to the United States, especially where we're going post money, it's more about being able to transport goods than anything else.

00:16:33.000 I feel like I'm almost going all in on military domination of the planet. 0.91

00:16:37.000 And I mean, that would mean I have to go kill people. 0.87

00:16:41.000 Like, I have to serve in order to really follow through with that. 0.95

00:16:43.000 And I don't want to do that.

00:16:44.000 So there's got to be a better way.

00:16:46.000 I just, I don't, it's like the ball is rolling down the hill.

00:16:49.000 Well, that's the thing, too.

00:16:50.000 It's like as soon as we're involved in one of, like, I would prefer not to be involved in these conflicts.

00:16:55.000 But if we are involved, then we should win as decisively as possible. 1.00

00:16:59.000 Yeah, the Iranian thing. 1.00

00:17:00.000 What's the plan? 1.00

00:17:01.000 We're sitting on the doorstep waiting until what?

00:17:03.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

00:17:04.000 Why is that happening, Jack? 1.00

00:17:05.000 Why is Iran happening? 1.00

00:17:07.000 Yeah, no.

00:17:08.000 Why are we not just like, okay, so yesterday or the other day, Trump was like, I almost bombed the hell out of Iran.

00:17:14.000 Now I'm giving them another couple of days.

00:17:16.000 What is the logic with the back and forth thing?

00:17:20.000 You mean diplomacy?

00:17:21.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 Why do diplomacy?

00:17:24.000 Because hopefully that diplomacy allows you to avoid a long protracted Iraq Afghanistan war situation and gets you to a point where both sides are able to put down the swords and are able to achieve some kind of lasting.

00:17:40.000 New agreement as to, you know, in this case, the status of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:17:45.000 And, you know, again, so it comes down to the waterways, just like you're saying, excuse me, Philly, waterways.

00:17:51.000 And the idea, so, you know, Guantanamo Bay, why did it matter so much to early America?

00:17:57.000 Well, it mattered because this was how we could extend our influence throughout the Western Hemisphere, throughout the Caribbean, throughout what's now the Gulf of America, et cetera, because you needed that as a coaling station.

00:18:08.000 It's a gas station, right?

00:18:10.000 You know, for Navy ships to be able to go through, and then eventually planes and all the rest, even long before it became a detention facility.

00:18:18.000 It was the waterway that mattered. 0.91

00:18:20.000 And then the same deal with Strait of Hormuz, which, you know, even prior to the current situation, it was run by the Dutch.

00:18:28.000 And the Dutch had it.

00:18:29.000 That's what, you know, fueled so much of their empire.

00:18:31.000 It's just the understanding that if you control what they're called the strategic lines of communication, the SLOCs, or just choke points, these key maritime choke points around the world the Panama Canal, the Strait of Hormuz, the Strait of Malacca, the Taiwan Strait, Babel Mandeb, which is the Red Sea, the Suez Canal, which is the north part of the Red Sea. 0.84

00:18:47.000 You can tell he's a Navy officer.

00:18:49.000 And That's, you know, this is where world power comes from because so much of our information in terms of data and so much of our goods in terms of not only energy and fuel, but also our manufactured goods because we have the system of globalism are transported on the seas.

00:19:08.000 And a lot of people think, oh, well, we have Starlink, it goes from satellites.

00:19:10.000 No, it's all oceans.

00:19:11.000 It's all oceans.

00:19:12.000 My concern about diplomacy with Iran, which you mentioned is probably the key vector in what you had asked, is that I watched Scott Horton on Joe Rogan's show, which you should watch.

00:19:21.000 If you care about any of this, watch it.

00:19:24.000 And Horton said the new leader of Iran, who was like the son of the old one that got killed, that the Americans killed his wife and child.

00:19:33.000 And now he's like, how could he not be more radicalized than his father at this point?

00:19:38.000 How can you plan diplomacy?

00:19:40.000 Are they just planning to kill the guy?

00:19:41.000 I don't understand.

00:19:43.000 Like, what's the answer?

00:19:44.000 They made a martyr out of him.

00:19:45.000 I mean, it's disastrous.

00:19:47.000 I mean, not to mention 165 girls that were killed in school.

00:19:50.000 Wait, which guy?

00:19:52.000 The much, much different.

00:19:53.000 You mean the father?

00:19:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:55.000 I mean, he's martyred. 1.00

00:19:56.000 And for these people, as far as I understand, I don't have a completely sophisticated understanding of Iranian culture, but it seems like that's probably a worst case scenario. 1.00

00:20:05.000 You make a martyr out of their leader. 0.87

00:20:06.000 Oh, and if you killed somebody's wife and kid, like, well, yeah. 0.99

00:20:09.000 I think they're. 0.98

00:20:11.000 What human would ever bow down at that point?

00:20:13.000 I mean, maybe it's a Satanist.

00:20:15.000 But it's not.

00:20:16.000 I wouldn't say it's bowing down, right?

00:20:18.000 And, you know, I understand Scott's point that you mentioned there.

00:20:23.000 And of course, it's a good point.

00:20:25.000 But at the same time, you have to say, does Iran want, is it in their interest to get into this massive war with the United States?

00:20:33.000 Or is it to their interest to go back to maintaining a stable country, to preserving their regime, to having some kind of, obviously, the revenue from the oil that be able to come through, which they're currently not able to get through because of the blockade?

00:20:48.000 So what's in the better long term interests?

00:20:51.000 Yeah, it would be a sack.

00:20:52.000 I don't know this guy.

00:20:53.000 I don't know who the new leader is.

00:20:54.000 I haven't even seen him speak ever, I don't think.

00:20:55.000 Well, they said he was injured.

00:20:57.000 Yeah, I thought he had his leg blown off or something.

00:20:59.000 There's been a lot of different stories.

00:21:01.000 Yeah, he hasn't.

00:21:03.000 The statements have all been written.

00:21:04.000 There haven't been any video statements.

00:21:05.000 Well, you know why that is, right?

00:21:08.000 Because he's unconscious or dead?

00:21:10.000 Well, potentially that's one option.

00:21:12.000 But another option could be that if they released a video, then Israel or the CIA would be able to track down where he made the video.

00:21:21.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:21:22.000 And would be able to follow the file digitally to where he was.

00:21:26.000 Is that how that works?

00:21:27.000 Well, that's that bin Laden had the same thing, right?

00:21:30.000 That's why bin Laden stuff would always be like a cassette tape that was smuggled in a pouch that would, you know, end up in a courier, et cetera, et cetera, because they always knew that the intelligence agencies were about to get them.

00:21:41.000 And I got to imagine that's what they want is to find this guy and destroy him. 0.86

00:21:46.000 I would imagine.

00:21:46.000 Well, not only that, but you have to be careful.

00:21:50.000 Is the CIA going to pay off somebody who works for you?

00:21:53.000 Right?

00:21:54.000 So who can you trust?

00:21:55.000 Yeah, this guy.

00:21:56.000 Putting myself in this guy's head, if he's even alive still.

00:21:58.000 Like, what is he going to live the next 50 years of his life on the run living in mountains?

00:22:03.000 Or is he just going to be like, fine? 0.94

00:22:04.000 That's what Bin Laden did, right? 0.99

00:22:06.000 He was like. 0.99

00:22:06.000 Well, in Pakistan. 0.99

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:08.000 Well, and for some, they actually say, though, that.

00:22:11.000 The father was talking about wanting to become a martyr almost.

00:22:15.000 So, that's there was one theory I saw where Ayatollah Khomeini sort of let him, you know, said, I'm not going to go hide.

00:22:23.000 You know, I've lived a long life.

00:22:25.000 I'm not going to go hide.

00:22:26.000 If they're going to do this to me, I'm going to let them do this to me.

00:22:29.000 And, you know, I want to go down as the man who fought against the great Satan and fought against the world for my people.

00:22:36.000 Sure.

00:22:37.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 I mean, it's hard for me to understand that this is diplomacy at an intelligent level, what Trump is doing.

00:22:45.000 I mean, he just seems too erratic, unless you want to go with the 5D chess argument.

00:22:49.000 I don't mean to give a low resolution interpretation of the this is diplomacy, but I mean, I don't understand the erratic behavior from Trump.

00:22:56.000 Is he trying to be crazy like a fox, or what's the play here?

00:23:00.000 Well, I think the big play, and that we haven't quite seen all of the back end part of it, is China.

00:23:09.000 So I think that China and the meeting with China was very strategic.

00:23:13.000 I think now, what do we see China's meeting with China?

00:23:16.000 Putin, right now, so, or I guess it was yesterday, and now Putin flew back.

00:23:20.000 And so, the real question is is China going to come in with leverage to create some kind of grand deal where, okay, the US, Israel, that gets turned off, but they come in.

00:23:32.000 And the biggest thing that the White House was saying over and over was that we both agreed Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.

00:23:39.000 Why is that such a big deal?

00:23:40.000 Because I think, I mean, China has nukes, you know, Russia has nukes, India has nukes.

00:23:44.000 We have a lot of enemies around the place.

00:23:48.000 Israel probably has nukes.

00:23:49.000 That's the thing.

00:23:50.000 I don't really.

00:23:50.000 Israel has nukes.

00:23:51.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 They have.

00:23:52.000 They just don't say it.

00:23:53.000 Israel doesn't want Iran to have nukes.

00:23:53.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 That's the reason.

00:23:55.000 Like, I understand maybe like flexing on the country because they have all these like little satellite militia groups that are constantly like, you know, attacking our ally over in that country.

00:24:05.000 And it's like, okay, we're going to, you know, we're going to come in.

00:24:07.000 We're going to bomb you. 0.99

00:24:08.000 We're going to take out some of your leaders. 1.00

00:24:09.000 Stop doing that, you know?

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 I mean, they also say like in parliament, there have been repeated times when the entire Iranian parliament is calling for death to America.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 Like, you don't want death to America people to have nukes if you can prevent it.

00:24:24.000 Well, and that's right.

00:24:25.000 So, the argument would go that if this is truly a radical regime, and if they got, and the president says this over and over and over, that if they got nukes, they would use them.

00:24:35.000 And that this is a different scenario than, say, the other countries you mentioned because they're not, they are actually radical.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 I mean, India hasn't used nukes against Pakistan, and it's been a while.

00:24:47.000 North Korea has. 0.98

00:24:48.000 So, North Korea is a country where. 0.88

00:24:51.000 You know, we were told for years that if North Korea gets nukes, they're going to use them against the South. 0.98

00:24:56.000 They're going to use them here. 0.79

00:24:56.000 They're going to use them there. 0.79

00:24:58.000 They're going to use them against Japan. 0.99

00:24:59.000 They're going to use them to get what they want. 0.97

00:25:01.000 And they haven't nuked anybody.

00:25:02.000 Yeah.

00:25:02.000 And so it's like, are they, you know, because that would be suicide, right?

00:25:05.000 You know, if they would nuke the United States, they'd be wiped out in a second. 0.63

00:25:10.000 Well, yeah.

00:25:11.000 And that's not an option, I don't think. 0.97

00:25:13.000 It's Israel's concern.

00:25:14.000 And it's been Israel's concern for nearly 40 years. 0.80

00:25:16.000 And actually, just on North Korea, just on the North Korea example, they've also demonstrated submarine launch capability.

00:25:23.000 And the reason that submarine launch capability is so key.

00:25:26.000 Is because that's second strike capability. 0.56

00:25:28.000 That means even if you take out, so let's say we do a preemptive strike, take out Pyongyang, take out Kim Jong un.

00:25:35.000 If there's a sub out there that's got some nuclear tipped hot ones on there, that sub can still reach out and strike Tokyo or Beijing or Seoul or perhaps even Seattle, San Francisco, LA.

00:25:48.000 How likely is it or possible is it that North Korea has submarines literally off the coast of the United States?

00:25:54.000 Like 800?

00:25:55.000 I would say unlikely.

00:25:57.000 Their subs just aren't known to go long range like that.

00:26:00.000 The Russians do, the Chinese do, but North Korea, no.

00:26:03.000 They're usually more short range than that. 0.93

00:26:06.000 But Okinawa. 0.92

00:26:08.000 South Korea, all the time, right? 0.69

00:26:11.000 They cross what's known as the NLL or the Northern Limit Line and cross down into South Korean waters all the time.

00:26:18.000 So, nuclear submarines, you think that sounds like the ultimate deterrent?

00:26:22.000 Like the Russians probably have subs off the coast of Washington, D.C., somewhere we don't know about.

00:26:27.000 Is that what you're talking about?

00:26:27.000 Well, and that's the idea, right?

00:26:28.000 So, the whole idea is that, and this gets into the psychology of MAD from the Cold War, like we were talking about before, that I can, and what nuclear weapons actually do, it's this interesting situation where we've created a weapon that's so powerful that You can't use it, right?

00:26:44.000 Because if everyone gets it, then everyone destroys you, blow up the whole world.

00:26:48.000 It's like, I forgot what the number is like 42 minutes, or there's different scenarios, but very quickly the whole world gets blown up.

00:26:54.000 And so the idea being that, hey, and to your point about the strategic calculus, then, and this is something that I've raised, and I've seen a lot of people raise as well, is does this actually create a scenario where regimes that want to be truly independent?

00:27:15.000 Actually, they are incentivized to seek nuclear weapons because we saw Libya, for example, in the wake of the Iraq invasion that you're mentioning, they gave up their nuclear program only for about what seven years later to have NATO come in and bomb them to smithereens and have Gaddafi sodomized in the street and murdered.

00:27:37.000 And so, the question being that, well, if he had nukes, would they have been able to do that? 0.72

00:27:42.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:27:44.000 You're going for it.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, well, think about it.

00:27:45.000 I mean, you would otherwise just get pushed around.

00:27:47.000 I mean, it's almost kind of.

00:27:49.000 You would want to seem like a threat and kind of unstable.

00:27:52.000 And then it's kind of like a bargaining chip. 0.85

00:27:54.000 Or Saddam, right?

00:27:55.000 Saddam famously, of course, sort of used it as a bargaining chip, but then didn't actually have them.

00:28:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:01.000 That's what makes me think that the Iranians would never use it if they had it. 1.00

00:28:05.000 They would just use it like the North Koreans. 0.99

00:28:08.000 And the idea is they want to disarm them ahead of time so that they can seize the country, take the oil, go back to the Anglo oil companies that were under the Shah. 0.96

00:28:16.000 Sorry. 0.92

00:28:16.000 I keep trying to talk over you. 0.92

00:28:18.000 Tell me, what are you thinking?

00:28:19.000 Thinking I should stop.

00:28:20.000 There's a great book about what Whittian's talking about, about the Shah, the Anglo oil companies, and it's called Dune by Frank Herbert.

00:28:29.000 Spice.

00:28:31.000 The spice. 0.91

00:28:31.000 Spice must go. 0.91

00:28:32.000 Spice fraction of the spice. 0.96

00:28:33.000 Spice must go.

00:28:34.000 No, so literally, Frank Herbert's Dune is based on a regime change in Iran.

00:28:39.000 Oh, really?

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 I missed that.

00:28:41.000 Oh, no.

00:28:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:42.000 It's quite clear once you see it.

00:28:43.000 Once you kind of start thinking about it, it's, you know, the one ruling house had control over the desert land.

00:28:52.000 That has the resource that everyone needs, but the religious zealots of the land do not want the empire to take it.

00:29:05.000 And then they're taken out by another empire.

00:29:07.000 So this is the British and the Americans going at it. 0.97

00:29:10.000 And that's the, oh my gosh, the Atreides and the Harkonnens. 0.99

00:29:14.000 There we go. 1.00

00:29:16.000 I knew it was in there somewhere.

00:29:17.000 Right, yeah.

00:29:18.000 And so, yeah, it all just matches in.

00:29:22.000 Probably doing a lot of drugs, but then also, you know, just kind of watching the news in the 1960s about Iran. 0.95

00:29:27.000 I know they want that land.

00:29:29.000 Keep in mind that he wrote that before the revolution.

00:29:32.000 Oh, wow.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:33.000 So he actually predicted, like in Dune Messiah, he actually predicted that there would be a religious revolution in Iran.

00:29:40.000 It makes me concerned that it's fear mongering, that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, which, by the way, they can. 0.92

00:29:45.000 We just don't want them to, but they can. 1.00

00:29:47.000 So stop using that stupid messaging, you guys. 1.00

00:29:50.000 You're smarter than that. 1.00

00:29:51.000 But Ian, just to play devil's advocate, though, didn't you just say that the name of the game is world domination?

00:29:56.000 Yeah, but at what cost?

00:29:57.000 You know, you really want to win.

00:29:58.000 You don't want to trigger a nuclear war.

00:30:00.000 You don't want to.

00:30:02.000 See, he's going to kill everyone, and now he's a pacifist.

00:30:04.000 No, but you've got to win. 0.80

00:30:05.000 Winning is.

00:30:06.000 Thinking through it, it's a very complicated situation.

00:30:09.000 We should dominate the whole world.

00:30:10.000 Domination just means they all surrender.

00:30:12.000 Well, you could blow them apart, but to get them to surrender, get them to transfer allegiances, things like that.

00:30:17.000 I don't know if that's necessarily the name of the game.

00:30:19.000 Sorry, Libby. 0.98

00:30:19.000 No, you do have to look at what Iran has done. 0.98

00:30:23.000 Like you say, Iran might not use a nuclear weapon. 0.76

00:30:26.000 But if you look at the way that they have used their influence around the region, and I'm not like pro Iran war, I kind of am just not really in favor.

00:30:35.000 But when you look at it and how they've used their influence around the region, this is one thing that Trump said.

00:30:40.000 When we started this whole conflict, he said that one of the goals was to prevent the Iranian regime from using their political influence outside of their borders.

00:30:50.000 Iran has used their influence to fund Hamas, right? 0.61

00:30:55.000 They okayed, they greenlit the October 7th attack.

00:30:59.000 That's something the Wall Street Journal reported on shortly after that attack.

00:31:02.000 Wait, who greenlit it?

00:31:03.000 Iran greenlit the October 7th Hamas attack on Israel.

00:31:08.000 That was, you know, I mean, the Wall Street Journal had good reporting on that. 0.81

00:31:12.000 They also have been backing Hezbollah and they've been funding all of these groups as part of their effort to destroy Israel, which they're very intent on destroying Israel and they're using every conceivable means to do it. 0.90

00:31:25.000 And if you also look back at the Iranian Revolution, what was it, 78? 0.93

00:31:30.000 Was it 79?

00:31:31.000 78?

00:31:32.000 79.

00:31:33.000 It was shortly after that that, in fact, the Islamic regime of Iran started really getting into using this term Islamophobia and perpetrating this among the West. 0.52

00:31:44.000 To try and prevent the West from being able to criticize the regime. 0.74

00:31:48.000 And then after 9 11, Iranian funded and Arab funded groups started pushing all of this anti Islamophobia stuff into American academic institutions and into our textbook publications and things like that. 0.87

00:32:06.000 So they've been pulling like a whole op on us for decades to try and prevent us from being able to criticize them while they continue to attack our, you know. 0.85

00:32:17.000 Primary ally in the Middle East. 0.66

00:32:19.000 So I think you could look at it and say, would they use nukes? 0.95

00:32:22.000 Like, there's a good chance that if they just wanted a one shot to get rid of Israel, they'd go for it. 0.88

00:32:28.000 Man, I wonder that if that could trigger nuclear catastrophe across the globe, which would. 1.00

00:32:33.000 Yeah, I mean, I wonder if they care about that.

00:32:36.000 Like, they don't seem to care about any of this stuff right now.

00:32:40.000 They've massacred a bunch of their citizens because of protests and, you know, protests.

00:32:43.000 I'm going to be devil's advocate on you then. 0.95

00:32:45.000 Then why don't they just bomb Israel all the time? 0.91

00:32:48.000 I think they do bomb Israel all the time through proxies. 0.79

00:32:51.000 No, I mean, like, they have, so Iran has significant ballistic missile capability, not intercontinental, so they don't pose a direct threat to the United States.

00:33:01.000 They can range Europe, they can range, but they certainly can range Israel, as we've seen. 0.69

00:33:06.000 So why not just keep bombing Israel? 0.82

00:33:08.000 Maybe they have been afraid of the consequences so far. 0.82

00:33:11.000 But to your point, you were just saying that if this is going to work.

00:33:14.000 I'm saying they could.

00:33:15.000 They could.

00:33:16.000 I mean, people can do things, but they don't.

00:33:18.000 But they haven't.

00:33:19.000 No.

00:33:20.000 I don't think you could one shot a country with missiles.

00:33:22.000 You got to go in and take it by force, or at least seize the leader. 0.98

00:33:26.000 We tried to one shot Iran when we blew up Fordo. 0.99

00:33:29.000 We did, did we? 1.00

00:33:31.000 We leveled Fordo to the ground.

00:33:32.000 The elevator shafts are all sealed up.

00:33:34.000 They can't use the snake.

00:33:35.000 That was like almost a year ago at this point.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, but it did nothing but just cut off the whiskers of the snake.

00:33:36.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 I mean, well, I guess what I'm trying to say, though, is that we are seeing elements of pragmatism there.

00:33:48.000 We are seeing elements of decision making of things where perhaps they are, to what I was saying to Chris before, they are actually considering regime long term survival, stability, that they're not, you know, perhaps it's not quite as, you know, Constant with the need to blow up everyone all the time.

00:34:09.000 But to your point, remember they're content with this sort of low level of it.

00:34:13.000 But you do see elements of pragmatism, and I don't think we should discount that. 0.70

00:34:16.000 Yeah, they say Islamism and that it's a radical Islamic government. 0.82

00:34:21.000 That's Islamism.

00:34:22.000 It means it's a government of a religion of Islam. 0.93

00:34:25.000 Theocracy, right? 0.89

00:34:26.000 Yeah, yeah, it is. 0.99

00:34:27.000 And so there's a lot of scaremongering about this because they're a theocracy, because they're a religious government, they're psycho. 0.90

00:34:35.000 The Israelis are a religious government. 0.94

00:34:36.000 I don't know if it's like a Jewish state.

00:34:38.000 That's actually, I think it's not really a religious government.

00:34:40.000 I think it's pretty secular.

00:34:41.000 Israel is a pretty secular place.

00:34:43.000 The Likud party?

00:34:44.000 They kind of play both sides of that.

00:34:45.000 They're very religious when they need to be, and they're also very secular when they want to be. 0.88

00:34:48.000 It's God's land, but they're also not devout, you know, not all devout Jewish citizens.

00:34:54.000 I wonder if the Iranians are like that too, and we just aren't told that in the American media.

00:34:57.000 I think that's a distinct Israel characteristic, personally.

00:35:00.000 I mean, the thing with Iran is, I feel like the culture of the country is just anti West. 0.95

00:35:06.000 I mean, it's like a defining. 1.00

00:35:07.000 Thing that they do. 0.99

00:35:08.000 We're pushing against Israel. 0.98

00:35:10.000 We're pushing against America. 0.63

00:35:12.000 And that's who we are.

00:35:13.000 And that's one of the reasons why maybe going in there right now and just saying, if you're going to keep on doing this, we're going to start taking out your leaders.

00:35:22.000 We're going to make it really uncomfortable for you.

00:35:24.000 We're going to start bankrupting you.

00:35:25.000 And so if you keep on funding all of these proxy groups to attack Israel, that's not going to work out for you well.

00:35:31.000 And hopefully that kind of shifts away from, hey, our core identity is going to be essentially chanting death to America. 0.86

00:35:39.000 And You know, going off to the Israelis. 0.60

00:35:42.000 I think if the Chinese, I just read on Twitter that the Russians, the Chinese, and the Americans are looking at starting joint projects.

00:35:46.000 If they, those three countries came together on solving this, I think the Iranian regime would step aside.

00:35:52.000 I mean, what choice?

00:35:53.000 If all three countries were to.

00:35:54.000 Well, this is actually a good jumping off point into our next topic because I want to get there because we're talking about all the international politics.

00:36:02.000 But what's amazing is that all of these geopolitics are now playing a role in our elections directly here in the United States on both.

00:36:12.000 Sides of the aisle, believe it or not, boys and girls.

00:36:15.000 And we've got this from the New York Times.

00:36:18.000 Candidates backed by Trump, Ocasio Cortez.

00:36:23.000 That doesn't mean together, by the way.

00:36:24.000 That means separately.

00:36:25.000 New York Times.

00:36:26.000 By the way, Libby, if this was a headline for Postmoderno, I probably would have rejected it.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, I wouldn't.

00:36:30.000 Would you?

00:36:31.000 It sounds like they're working together.

00:36:33.000 Yeah, I have a totally different headline for this story.

00:36:35.000 Candidates backed by Trump, Ocasio Cortez, triumphant key house primaries.

00:36:39.000 So what they're saying here is that, let's see, the president's preferred candidate.

00:36:43.000 Ousted an incumbent in Kentucky, Thomas Massey, while a Democratic primary in Pennsylvania was a win for the Democratic Socialists.

00:36:51.000 And this was one of the Philadelphia races.

00:36:56.000 And where, you know, they've got this guy in Philly who is just full on DSA.

00:37:03.000 Chris, I found the picture.

00:37:03.000 There he is.

00:37:04.000 Chris Robb.

00:37:05.000 Chris Robb, yeah.

00:37:06.000 And this is a guy, I mean, he's doing, he's right there.

00:37:09.000 He's got the fist up.

00:37:10.000 He's got AOC.

00:37:10.000 He's got the fist up.

00:37:11.000 Yeah, Jamie Raskin came in and campaigned for.

00:37:15.000 I believe Ilhan Omar came in.

00:37:17.000 Rokohana came in.

00:37:19.000 So, this is an area of, and this is Philadelphia.

00:37:21.000 This is Philadelphia proper, Philadelphia three.

00:37:24.000 Does that say?

00:37:25.000 To succeed Dwight Evans.

00:37:26.000 It says, We save us behind them on the picture.

00:37:29.000 That's like so communist.

00:37:30.000 We save us.

00:37:31.000 Who are they talking about?

00:37:32.000 It's a straight communist.

00:37:33.000 Yep.

00:37:34.000 I hope that there's not another letter to the left of the W, but I don't know what letter that would be.

00:37:39.000 Aw, save us?

00:37:40.000 Yeah, that's the first thought I heard.

00:37:42.000 O, O, O, W, E. Aw, save us.

00:37:42.000 Aw, save us.

00:37:45.000 It could be about a female sheep. 0.85

00:37:45.000 Or you. 0.85

00:37:48.000 It's so generic.

00:37:49.000 It's such like a propaganda.

00:37:51.000 We save us makes people feel good.

00:37:53.000 It instills the communal cult worship, the communist ethos.

00:37:58.000 That's, oh, God.

00:37:59.000 I don't even know what their messaging is.

00:38:02.000 How would you break this down psychologically?

00:38:04.000 Oh, don't throw this to me.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:07.000 But no, it's different.

00:38:10.000 So you have Make America Great Again, right?

00:38:12.000 As the classic MAGA slogan.

00:38:15.000 And perhaps this is sort of a Democrat, as Democrat Socialist, as Ian saying, response to that slogan, We Save Us.

00:38:24.000 So Make America Great Again, I mean, I've gone through this for years, but it's active.

00:38:31.000 It's got nostalgia in it, baked in great again, right?

00:38:36.000 Hearkening back to the past, of course, Donald Trump, you know, ubiquitous with the 80s and 90s.

00:38:40.000 So there's a lot of nostalgia just wrapped up into his figure to begin with.

00:38:44.000 Um, but it's also nostalgia for America as a great power, as a great country.

00:38:48.000 People can always, you know, think back to these, these, uh, uh, Libya, I believe, as the French say, uh, la vie en rue, uh, the, the, uh, you know, the rosy view of the past.

00:39:00.000 And, uh, I told you we were watching Audrey Hepburn movies.

00:39:03.000 I love Audrey Hepburn.

00:39:04.000 And, uh, and, um, The key here, though, is that you have all those things in Trump's, and it's got good cadence to it.

00:39:12.000 Make America great again.

00:39:14.000 I hate the cadence with We Save Us.

00:39:17.000 We Save Us.

00:39:18.000 How do you chant that?

00:39:19.000 It just doesn't.

00:39:19.000 They also do this weird thing.

00:39:23.000 The people united will never be defeated.

00:39:23.000 What is it?

00:39:26.000 And when they used to do that chant in the late 90s or early 90s, which does have cadence, or this is what democracy looks like.

00:39:32.000 The people united will never be divided.

00:39:34.000 Right.

00:39:34.000 It's better than we'll never be defeated.

00:39:38.000 But they dropped that and they changed it to defeat it.

00:39:40.000 And it's, I feel like We Save Us is just, I mean, to me, that just smacks of full on narcissism.

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 It's sort of like a Simpsons level joke about a campaign.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:50.000 You know, which reminds me, there was this thing.

00:39:52.000 Can't parody it. 0.96

00:39:53.000 Karen Bass has part of her campaign is like, don't change course.

00:39:53.000 Right.

00:39:58.000 Right.

00:39:59.000 And it reminds me, yeah, it's so, so bad.

00:40:01.000 And in Wag the Dog, remember that movie, partially written by David Mamet?

00:40:05.000 So the campaign.

00:40:05.000 Great movie.

00:40:07.000 David Mamet's the best.

00:40:08.000 Oh, he's amazing.

00:40:09.000 The campaign slogan of the guy who essentially. 0.99

00:40:12.000 You know, sexually assaults a firefly girl.

00:40:14.000 His campaign slogan is never change horses in midstream.

00:40:19.000 And Karen Bass is don't change course.

00:40:21.000 And I'm like, what?

00:40:22.000 You're in Hollywood. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Like, how do you not realize how stupid you're being? 1.00

00:40:26.000 There's a problem with progressivism progress is if you're progressing towards the edge of a cliff, you need to change course. 1.00

00:40:32.000 You need to regress.

00:40:33.000 You need to stop progressing.

00:40:34.000 So people that are obsessed with progress at any cost will find themselves walking into traps.

00:40:40.000 That's why I disagree with Karen Bass's momentum.

00:40:42.000 I disagree with her also.

00:40:44.000 I mean, part of the progressive thing is they think the people who are progressives believe that an expert class should decide what happens to the rest of us.

00:40:52.000 And that's one thing that I appreciate much more about, you know, populism and even federalism it's not about like experts ruling over us.

00:41:00.000 It's about the government being accountable to the people, which I think is much more important.

00:41:05.000 We save us.

00:41:07.000 Oh, God.

00:41:07.000 Terrible, terrible branding.

00:41:08.000 That expert class is like AI is like giving over control and authority to the machine, controlled by technocrats.

00:41:14.000 Like now, it's AI.

00:41:15.000 Well, one piece that I do want to say on this, just speaking as a Pennsylvanian and also looking at how things are going in PA, when you see the Democrat Party going so far to the left in terms of this, that's going to create a real political situation for John Fetterman.

00:41:34.000 So, what do you think?

00:41:35.000 Yeah, I think the Democrats are already so out of step with his party that this, if this is the way the Democrat Party and the Democrat constituency is going in Philadelphia, then You are going to see that across the state.

00:41:52.000 And he's got a race coming up in 2028.

00:41:54.000 He's up again.

00:41:56.000 And it's because he's been very pro Israel.

00:41:59.000 He's been saying very good things about President Trump from time and time again.

00:42:04.000 This is quite the opposite of what you're seeing Democrat primary voters in Pennsylvania wanting.

00:42:09.000 Keep in mind, Philadelphia is the largest pool of Democrat primary voters and Democrat voters in all of Pennsylvania.

00:42:15.000 So he's going to be vulnerable to a primary.

00:42:18.000 I've heard that his party.

00:42:19.000 Don't want him.

00:42:20.000 And I don't know how much of this propaganda or not.

00:42:22.000 Well, and then the flip side of that is how much does he want his party then?

00:42:26.000 I know.

00:42:26.000 Because if he wants to stay in the Senate, what you would then do is look at potentially going independent or switching parties.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 And you've already heard also, you've heard Obama and so many others saying that Mamdani is the face of the Democratic Party and is the future of the Democrat Party.

00:42:42.000 And so you see that all over the place, right?

00:42:44.000 You have Michelle Wu in Boston.

00:42:46.000 You have Mamdani, of course, in New York.

00:42:49.000 You've got These little candidates popping up all over the place.

00:42:52.000 What's her name? 1.00

00:42:53.000 Katie Wilson in Seattle, Karen Bass in Los Angeles.

00:42:57.000 You have people who are not just, you know, dabbling, putting their toes in the waters of socialism, but people who proclaim that that's their ideology and their mission.

00:43:06.000 And what that looks like in practice, Mamdani put out a little infographic earlier complaining about how people on food stamps are going to be required to work, saying that will lead to starvation, which obviously doesn't make any sense.

00:43:18.000 But what he's saying is, He wants people to, and he's saying if the government really wanted people to have jobs, then they would provide more jobs, more government jobs for people to have.

00:43:29.000 So, this is the vision of Mom Dhani.

00:43:32.000 And if Obama is to be believed, this is the vision of the Democrat Party.

00:43:36.000 It is that Americans will work for the government, buy their groceries at government stores, have their children raised by the government, right?

00:43:47.000 What's 2K and 3K?

00:43:48.000 It's that your kid is in a government.

00:43:51.000 Operated educational facility from the time they're two years old.

00:43:55.000 That's way too, like, that's crazy town, right?

00:43:57.000 And also that you will rent all your housing from the government.

00:44:01.000 Their idea is to have more government run housing all over the place.

00:44:05.000 And that makes the American subservient to government, which is exactly the opposite of our founding documents.

00:44:12.000 What I like about it and what didn't exist when the founders were are mega corporations that are international, the BlackRock headquarters in wherever, Switzerland, all these crazy big, not saying BlackRock's in Switzerland, but so I understand the socialists.

00:44:26.000 Movement in that they want to disempower the corporations.

00:44:29.000 I get that.

00:44:30.000 I do too.

00:44:30.000 I don't want to live under a corporatocracy.

00:44:32.000 I don't want a corporate governance system run by ESG, where if you say the wrong word, you get your bank account taken away.

00:44:39.000 But seizing it and giving it to a government, it's an extreme counter position.

00:44:46.000 We've seen what happens when the government centralizes control.

00:44:49.000 Well, that's not good.

00:44:49.000 It's also, you know, also what you're saying about the corporations.

00:44:52.000 It's not great.

00:44:52.000 Look at Meta today, right?

00:44:54.000 Meta laid off 8,000 people, and this is just one of many rolling layoffs that they've had.

00:45:00.000 And they reassigned, they're reassigning 7,000 of their staffers to essentially train AI, right?

00:45:07.000 And the way they're going to train AI is they're going to do their jobs, and AI is going to monitor every keystroke and every mouse stroke that these employees do.

00:45:17.000 It might come to a point where we, I say we, but people on the right decide to ally with the people on the left, the socialists and the popular, whatever you want to call them, the capitalists, ally to stop these vacant corporations, these AI run machines that are trying to own land and rent it to you.

00:45:35.000 And there'll be like a mass upheaval and seizure of property.

00:45:37.000 That's the populace.

00:45:38.000 So, what you're talking about is left wing populism and right wing populism.

00:45:38.000 Yeah.

00:45:42.000 And you certainly have both going on right now.

00:45:45.000 You see this in the backlash to the data centers, where.

00:45:48.000 Everyone's backlashed.

00:45:50.000 Broadly speaking, the people on the left and the right are like, screw them data centers because people don't like the tech bros.

00:45:56.000 But also, people feel it as like the machines taking over and not just taking over jobs in the economy, but taking over our towns.

00:46:04.000 I do want to add, by the way, another piece on the Pennsylvania politics before we go too far down the other road is that Josh Pirro.

00:46:11.000 So, the governor of Pennsylvania.

00:46:15.000 He wants to run for president.

00:46:17.000 He certainly wants to run in 2028. 0.66

00:46:19.000 But again, another very pro Israel Democrat.

00:46:22.000 Himself, of course, is Jewish. 0.54

00:46:24.000 That's going to be a problem in the Democrat primary when you've got voters elected.

00:46:27.000 That was already a problem for Kamala.

00:46:29.000 And we were told, all right, in Kamala's book, she wrote that one of the reasons she didn't choose him was because she didn't think that they could drive out enough votes.

00:46:38.000 She thought it would be a problem for the ticket.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 She thought having.

00:46:41.000 She was Jewish. 1.00

00:46:43.000 She had two walls. 0.92

00:46:47.000 Remember? 0.99

00:46:48.000 Anna is.

00:46:49.000 I have seen no need.

00:46:51.000 You know what's interesting about Tim Walz?

00:46:52.000 Here's my thought with Tim Walz is that what the Democrats are doing is that they sort of know that they need white men to start voting for them again.

00:47:03.000 And so what they're doing is they're trying to find white men that kind of fit the bill, but they always kind of get it wrong.

00:47:09.000 And so Tim Walz was like the first laboratory Igor prototype that kind of got rolled off.

00:47:15.000 And they're like, here you go. 0.56

00:47:16.000 Here's a white man.

00:47:17.000 Look at him. 0.98

00:47:18.000 He can load a shotgun, but he couldn't load a shotgun.

00:47:20.000 And it was.

00:47:21.000 It was just really bad.

00:47:22.000 And then they got James Tallarico down in Texas, who's just awful. 0.99

00:47:26.000 Totally shapeshifter, ridiculous. 0.99

00:47:26.000 Shapeshifter, Gavin. 0.99

00:47:29.000 Pete Buttigieg.

00:47:29.000 They're like, Pete Buttigieg.

00:47:30.000 He's a white man.

00:47:31.000 Gavin Newsom. 0.90

00:47:32.000 You see, Poop, he's normal, just like you.

00:47:35.000 He's called him Poop Buttigieg.

00:47:35.000 Pete Buttigieg.

00:47:39.000 He's got the beard now.

00:47:41.000 And, well, Graham Planter is the latest in Maine, where, you know, I would say he at least comes off as more authentic as a veteran, and he is a combat veteran, but also he's like, He's also got that really narcissistic tendency that a lot of these Democrats do, going back to the We Save Us, where he, I guess it came out that he was putting down other veterans and attacking people who died and things like that.

00:48:08.000 Talking about cheating on his wife in Thailand.

00:48:10.000 And so, and these, well, again, veteran.

00:48:13.000 I say as a veteran.

00:48:15.000 And I think those are much better lines of attack than like going after him for a tattoo, because I think that was just foolhardy of the Republicans to do.

00:48:25.000 It's a tattoo.

00:48:26.000 It's a badass tattoo. 0.95

00:48:27.000 I know it's a Nazi thing.

00:48:29.000 People in Maine have tattoos.

00:48:30.000 It didn't used to be a Nazi thing. 0.65

00:48:31.000 The Nazis co opted the thing from the Prussians.

00:48:33.000 There's a lot of working class voters in Maine. 0.63

00:48:36.000 They have tattoos.

00:48:38.000 They're going to feel like they're getting attacked because the guy had a skull and crossbones tattoo.

00:48:43.000 So, who do you guys think is the Democratic frontrunner?

00:48:45.000 I know it's early for the 2008 presidential run because you mentioned Josh Shapiro.

00:48:48.000 I thought it was Gavin Newsom, hands down, straight up.

00:48:51.000 Newsom, Shapiro. 0.63

00:48:52.000 I believe Kamala Harris is still running very high in the polls, though. 0.77

00:48:55.000 That she wants to run again. 0.64

00:48:57.000 She's supposed to, yeah. 1.00

00:48:58.000 And let's not forget, let's not forget Hillary Clinton. 0.81

00:49:02.000 What about AOC? 1.00

00:49:03.000 Who wants to run again? 1.00

00:49:05.000 Either wants Chuck Schumer's seat or she wants to be president. 1.00

00:49:09.000 Presentially. 1.00

00:49:10.000 How old is Hillary Clinton now? 0.99

00:49:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:11.000 Like, old.

00:49:12.000 Gotta be old.

00:49:13.000 I guess 86 is my guess.

00:49:15.000 I don't think she's too old.

00:49:17.000 She's younger than Bill.

00:49:17.000 She's not 88.

00:49:18.000 70s.

00:49:18.000 Okay.

00:49:19.000 She's in her 70s.

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 She was a hot young thing when Bill swooped her up.

00:49:23.000 Or were they the same age?

00:49:24.000 Because I thought Bill was up in his 90s.

00:49:25.000 Is he not that old?

00:49:27.000 No, he just looks like he is because he's been married to Hillary for so long.

00:49:30.000 Right.

00:49:31.000 And also, he doesn't have a portrait in the closet.

00:49:32.000 So he just looks like that now.

00:49:35.000 We brought up this story about all these Trump candidates that won, basically.

00:49:38.000 A couple of AOC candidates.

00:49:40.000 But people are in the chat are all saying that Jack's trying to cover up for one of his tattoos.

00:49:44.000 I have no ink.

00:49:45.000 I have no ink.

00:49:46.000 I also have no tattoos.

00:49:46.000 Me either, man.

00:49:48.000 Unless you've got to have like a secret conversation, like thieves can't, like if it's illegal to say a certain thing and you have like a symbol of like the Christian fish.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, stuff like that.

00:49:56.000 Jesus fish.

00:49:57.000 I don't really get into that, but I understand it as like coded language.

00:50:01.000 So Trump's guys, a bunch of Trump's people got in as well.

00:50:05.000 And that means Massey's out.

00:50:06.000 How do you guys feel about foreign money or at least money coming from out of state to fund candidates?

00:50:12.000 Well, money from out of state is a perennial issue in competitive races.

00:50:17.000 People on both sides of the aisle have done it for years.

00:50:20.000 I do think the influence of foreign money, though, is something that should be talked about.

00:50:27.000 That I think a lot of people have tried to deny that's going on.

00:50:33.000 And I don't care whether it's China or one of the Gulf nations or Israel or Paraguay, right?

00:50:39.000 We should be able to talk about this and we shouldn't be censoring anyone just because they have an interest in that.

00:50:45.000 Do we know how much money it was that was coming in from foreign interests in that election?

00:50:49.000 Almost 100% of the $32 million.

00:50:52.000 It was foreign? 0.76

00:50:53.000 How do you know that?

00:50:53.000 You mean out of state?

00:50:55.000 No, no, like foreign interest groups.

00:50:57.000 Interesting.

00:50:57.000 Really?

00:50:57.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 And then, so like AIPAC, for instance.

00:51:00.000 Well, so the pushback on that is they would say it's American citizens who vote a certain way, not foreign in terms of actually being generated from a foreign country.

00:51:12.000 And like if a guy takes a contract from a foreign country, Earns the money and then gives that to a campaign.

00:51:17.000 It's technically domestic money, but like, there's a lot of that.

00:51:21.000 There's a lot of that though.

00:51:22.000 There's, I mean, it, no, as someone who's worked in elections and worked in campaigns, that, you know, you, once you start ask, actually asking these questions, it, you realize how complicated it becomes very quickly.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 And so, okay, I bring it up because at face value, yeah, get rid of foreign money.

00:51:37.000 No, no, no foreign money campaigns.

00:51:38.000 But dude, I can make an internet video and tell the world to vote for a guy in Zimbabwe.

00:51:43.000 And like, you can't, I don't even have to put a dollar down to do that except to pay my internet bill.

00:51:47.000 Um, And what you're buying with money is influence.

00:51:50.000 You're buying TV time, you're buying billboards.

00:51:52.000 So you don't need that with YouTube or with Rumble.

00:51:54.000 You just make the video, people do what you say if you're charismatic enough and direct enough.

00:51:59.000 So, how can you stop foreign influence on campaigns where it's so globalized now with the internet?

00:52:07.000 I just don't see it.

00:52:08.000 I mean, I feel like it's like, how do you stop it?

00:52:11.000 Well, I think transparency is the best sunlight.

00:52:14.000 I mean, like Chris, you were just saying, this is trackable, it's something that You know, that people can see, hey, this much money came from groups that were tied to this thing, whether it's APAC or others.

00:52:27.000 And that it, I think it tends to be something that's, you know, something that younger voters are actually better at tracking just because they're on the internet more, they're using the internet more.

00:52:38.000 And so this was a huge thing that you saw in that primary, for example, was that when you're looking at some of the exit polls on this, so on Massey, because I saw a lot of people saying, oh, you know, Massey totally flamed out, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:51.000 And to be clear, by the way, President Trump clearly showed that he is in command of the Republican Party solidly and solely.

00:53:01.000 And that election, plus Louisiana, plus Texas, plus Indiana a couple of weeks ago, just shows it in spades.

00:53:09.000 But what Massey showed was that he was able to pick up every under 65 demographic in the district.

00:53:17.000 Now, they didn't vote as much as the over 65, so he lost.

00:53:21.000 But the question is.

00:53:23.000 Is there something perhaps coming five, 10 years from now that will be very different than what the current voting demographics are?

00:53:31.000 Probably, probably.

00:53:33.000 I mean, it's going to be a very different world in seven years when things have become so heavily automated.

00:53:38.000 There's going to be a huge loss of jobs, a mass unemployment strike.

00:53:42.000 Populism is going to rage.

00:53:44.000 You're going to get people like Thomas Massey.

00:53:46.000 But I do think he's missed, Tom.

00:53:48.000 I think you're misdirected on the Epstein stuff.

00:53:50.000 I think that the Trumpet admins are using it as a compromise on the deep state, which is why they.

00:53:55.000 Fervently wanted you to shut up about it and pay people to shut you up about it, basically, or get you out of office. 0.94

00:54:00.000 Beyond the Epstein stuff, and it's a nice feel good story, I think you got the cojones for the job.

00:54:06.000 I think you should run for president in 28 and just jam up the Republican Party and let the chips fall.

00:54:10.000 Oh, God.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:13.000 Make JD Vance earn it.

00:54:14.000 Make him show why he's a good president.

00:54:15.000 And so, by the way, I've heard that, and Justin Amash is someone who's been sort of like, his name is out there for perhaps libertarian candidates.

00:54:24.000 I would also just go back to this specific race here.

00:54:27.000 Is caution everyone from reading too much into it as well because keep in mind this was a closed Republican primary, and in a closed Republican primary, that means that independent voters don't have a say.

00:54:39.000 And now I'm personally of the opinion that a primary should be closed because if you're running as a Republican candidate, you should only face Republican voters.

00:54:49.000 But what I'm saying is, from a political analytic standpoint, that you don't want to read so much into a closed primary that extrapolates to a general election because in a general election, You will get Democrats, you will get independents, you will get crossover voters, you'll get everything, right?

00:55:05.000 And so this is a select pool of people that, yes, President Trump by far is in control of his base there.

00:55:14.000 But there's some information, I would say, under the hood that gives me pause and says, I think there's something a little more nuanced going on.

00:55:23.000 What do you mean?

00:55:24.000 In what way?

00:55:24.000 Well, I was talking about the younger demographics, for example.

00:55:27.000 Oh, dude.

00:55:27.000 And the fact that this is super similar.

00:55:29.000 So the younger demographics of Republicans, but then keep in mind that independents couldn't vote in a primary.

00:55:35.000 Yeah, and they love Thomas Massey.

00:55:36.000 Independents, ex libertarians.

00:55:38.000 I'm sure a lot of Democrats just like that he's trying to stick it.

00:55:40.000 What they see is him trying to stick it to Trump.

00:55:43.000 Okay, final question on foreign.

00:55:45.000 Which, by the way, doesn't surprise me at all that Trump would be against Massey because of the Democrats clearly wanting to use him as the face of the resistance for opposition to the BBB, the big beautiful bill, and just in general for not being strong on the border, not being strong on deportations, which is his signature issue.

00:56:09.000 Like, literally, his ignoration.

00:56:10.000 Funny thing is, if it was a Democrat, he'd be just as jamming them up like Biden.

00:56:14.000 He was jamming Biden up just as hard as he was jamming Trump up because that's his job.

00:56:17.000 He's Dr. No 2.0.

00:56:19.000 He's Ron Paul all over again.

00:56:21.000 Kind of.

00:56:21.000 He's a different dude.

00:56:22.000 So, final question about foreign money and influence in campaigns.

00:56:22.000 Okay.

00:56:27.000 If a dude in like Mauritania made internet videos telling you to vote for Thomas Massey or whoever, and he's getting a million hits per video, and YouTube is allowing the videos to be on the algorithm to show up, should we make it illegal? 0.63

00:56:43.000 Should we force these corporations to ban foreign people's accounts that are trying to manipulate American politics? 0.58

00:56:51.000 Well, people try to all the time. 1.00

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.000 And I guess you have to draw the line somewhere because, at least with, you know, you have an influencer who has a big following and they get a lot of views, but you may have influencers on the other side that kind of balance that out.

00:57:06.000 The thing with foreign money is, I mean, you can just run ads on Meta.

00:57:10.000 I mean, you don't have to really be that persuasive.

00:57:10.000 Yeah.

00:57:13.000 It's really just pour money into the.

00:57:15.000 Into the machine, and all of a sudden, you have hit piece ads out against your opposition.

00:57:20.000 You're everywhere, so people see who you are.

00:57:23.000 And there's something about that that's just unfair, especially when it's to the realm of like $30 million and the other side isn't getting anything.

00:57:31.000 So, with the Massey thing, that was the, someone told me it was the highest grossing primary ever in the history of the United States.

00:57:40.000 Yeah, it was like 32.

00:57:41.000 32.

00:57:41.000 What did you say?

00:57:42.000 32, yeah.

00:57:42.000 That's what I heard.

00:57:43.000 So, I mean, what is it about him that made him like so hated as to get that much money come in?

00:57:49.000 Right.

00:57:49.000 Definitely did the COVID.

00:57:50.000 Like, he was very, very much, he didn't like the big, beautiful bill. 0.99

00:57:55.000 That kind of put him on Trump's crap list. 0.95

00:57:57.000 He'd done some things like during, I think, during, he wanted people to come in and vote in Congress. 0.98

00:58:01.000 He kind of pissed off his compatriots in Congress, too. 0.91

00:58:03.000 But I think it's the Epstein stuff.

00:58:05.000 I don't know for sure, but I think the Trump Abbott, they were like, yeah, we're going to reveal the Epstein list.

00:58:09.000 And they're like, oh, all these bankers are on it.

00:58:09.000 They got it.

00:58:11.000 All these people that are trying to control our government are on it.

00:58:14.000 Well, let's just tell them that we're going to release it unless they do what we say, unless we can break up USAID.

00:58:19.000 And then Thomas Massey doesn't know that.

00:58:20.000 So he's like, we got to do the right thing, which is reveal the info to save these girls and to bring them justice.

00:58:25.000 When it's another level, it's a lot of information.

00:58:28.000 When you can't, I think they don't have the information that everyone wants.

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:34.000 And they should release whatever they have and more, right?

00:58:38.000 But I would just add, I would just also add that, I mean, you can't take Israel out of the conversation when you're talking about Massey.

00:58:45.000 That clearly Israel played a huge, huge role here.

00:58:48.000 The issue of Israel.

00:58:48.000 Yeah.

00:58:49.000 He refused to have an AIPAC babysitter.

00:58:51.000 He doesn't have any APAC funding.

00:58:53.000 So, you think the Israelis wanted him out of office?

00:58:56.000 Oh, certainly. 0.80

00:58:57.000 For what purpose?

00:58:58.000 Because of the Epstein stuff?

00:59:00.000 Look, Massey is a dissident who refuses to play political gamesmanship.

00:59:05.000 Or maybe he's playing a different kind of gamesmanship.

00:59:06.000 But I mean, he's not playing the kind of establishment gamesmanship that both warring teams want him to play.

00:59:13.000 And that's very frustrating for the establishment, including Trump.

00:59:16.000 Oh, so you think?

00:59:17.000 Okay, question.

00:59:18.000 Do you think it's better to have someone that opposes you or someone that just refuses to play at all?

00:59:23.000 In office.

00:59:24.000 Well, as an anarchist, I like the latter option.

00:59:28.000 He didn't take sides.

00:59:29.000 Exactly.

00:59:30.000 I respect that enormously.

00:59:32.000 Yeah.

00:59:33.000 I mean, that's dangerous to a war machine that's trying to sneakily take over.

00:59:38.000 We got to get this guy back on.

00:59:40.000 I know he was so busy with his campaign.

00:59:42.000 He's free now to do whatever he wants.

00:59:44.000 Was he going to run for governor?

00:59:46.000 I don't know.

00:59:47.000 I mean, I think being an elected official or being in government is always more powerful than just being on the outside.

00:59:55.000 If you.

00:59:56.000 If you have the ability to, I mean, Kentucky Four, right?

00:59:58.000 Who was the Kentucky Four congressman before Thomas Massey, right?

01:00:01.000 Clearly, the guy's very talented.

01:00:03.000 Clearly, he's able to command a mass audience.

01:00:08.000 But at the same time, I wouldn't want to trade a government because he's there, what, 12, 14 years?

01:00:14.000 So I think six, seven terms.

01:00:16.000 And so you wouldn't want to trade that political power in just for a microphone.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, you wouldn't want to.

01:00:23.000 And that's always good.

01:00:25.000 I mean, and he obviously raised a lot of money to win.

01:00:25.000 It's clearly stepped down.

01:00:27.000 So, I mean, he.

01:00:29.000 He lost big.

01:00:29.000 There's no question.

01:00:30.000 You think Bongino, because he was already super famous in the private sector, he doesn't really fit into that calculation when he left.

01:00:38.000 I think it's totally different because Bongino was like a, he was like a FBI staffer.

01:00:44.000 I mean, high up.

01:00:46.000 But I think, yeah, I mean, if you're running for office, it's because you really want to represent your constituency or you want power.

01:00:51.000 But that's something I always think about when people vote out an incumbent who has a lot of power in, you know, the legislature is you wonder, like, is my district not going to be heard as much because we're getting rid of this guy?

01:01:06.000 You know?

01:01:07.000 Like if the people in Brooklyn got rid of Hakeem Jeffries, who is awful.

01:01:12.000 Would they have as much power?

01:01:13.000 Would their district have as much power?

01:01:14.000 Absolutely not.

01:01:16.000 That's actually one of the big arguments for incumbency.

01:01:19.000 Is that so typically, you know, whoever the House leader is or the Speaker is, that their district just gets everything, basically.

01:01:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:29.000 You get a lot of stuff.

01:01:31.000 So you think about that.

01:01:32.000 Because you're head of the table.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, you're at the top.

01:01:35.000 You get the drumsticks, you know?

01:01:38.000 Okay.

01:01:39.000 You think they think that deep?

01:01:40.000 Constituents, they're like, let's just get this guy in because he's.

01:01:43.000 Been in 20 years, he knows people.

01:01:44.000 Well, it's, I don't think it's necessarily that they're thinking about that way. 0.90

01:01:48.000 It's just that, hey, you know, it's just sort of this idea of like, Congress sucks, except for my guy.

01:01:56.000 But I think that's true of everybody, right?

01:01:58.000 Like, I always think, I don't think very highly of Congress, but I do think my congressman is a pretty good guy and I think he's trying his hardest and doing a good job.

01:02:06.000 Yeah, see what I mean?

01:02:07.000 So you have that.

01:02:08.000 You know, but like, I think everybody else is pretty good.

01:02:11.000 But no, your congressman is, because you have a, Riley Moore.

01:02:13.000 Yeah, you've Riley Moore.

01:02:14.000 No, he is legitimately great.

01:02:16.000 Riley Moore is legitimately great.

01:02:18.000 That's a different.

01:02:19.000 That's not the dynamic I'm talking about.

01:02:21.000 No, but there, I mean, that is true too.

01:02:22.000 I mean, when I was in Brooklyn.

01:02:23.000 I'm talking constituent service.

01:02:25.000 Oh, yeah, constituent services.

01:02:25.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 Well, constituent services is a big part of what congressmen are supposed to be doing.

01:02:31.000 You know, it's like making sure that there's rental assistance for their.

01:02:35.000 Now I'm thinking like Brooklyn constituent services, but, you know, making sure there's rental assistance, making sure.

01:02:41.000 There was always stories about the.

01:02:44.000 Who is that guy who represented Harlem for a really long time?

01:02:46.000 And then it turned out that he had two rent control apartments that he was using for his office against the law.

01:02:53.000 What was that guy's name?

01:02:54.000 But you could call that guy if you were in his district and you could be like, My mom needs a place in a nursing home.

01:02:59.000 I can't find anything.

01:03:00.000 And she'd be, you know, he'd have her set up within the week.

01:03:04.000 No, I think, and I think a big part of it too is if you're going to nationalize and internationalize an election, you know, the question is, do you want someone who, you know, in this case, do you want someone who's pro Israel, anti Israel?

01:03:16.000 So you've got to go into a district that, you know, depending who they, depending where it is, Israel may not be one, two, or three on anyone's priority list.

01:03:16.000 Right.

01:03:25.000 And yet you're getting all of these ads.

01:03:26.000 Now, to be fair, I don't believe, and I didn't go in watching many of the attack ads or pro or anti ads.

01:03:33.000 I don't believe Israel came up as a flashpoint in the actual like messaging.

01:03:38.000 Right.

01:03:39.000 I didn't see the ads either, but I'm not sure.

01:03:40.000 I would imagine that it probably didn't play a big, like, yeah, yeah.

01:03:43.000 So I don't think this was something that people, it was more like, Who does Trump support?

01:03:47.000 Who's Trump not support?

01:03:48.000 You know, who does he fight?

01:03:49.000 And Massey, by the way, and this is something that I think a lot of people need to point out too, is that, and I don't know if his supporters will appreciate this, is that in a lot of his messaging, including a text message that he put out, he was showing that he was closer to Trump.

01:04:05.000 So he was trying to counter that with like old endorsements or old videos of him closer to Trump because that's where the voters are.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, Trump wanted him to pull that down.

01:04:13.000 He's like, that's not my endorsement.

01:04:15.000 So he sent his campaign, sent out a text message to everyone.

01:04:19.000 With an endorsement of Thomas Massey by Donald Trump, but didn't mention that it was from 2022.

01:04:26.000 Misleading. 0.99

01:04:27.000 Ooh, brutal, dirty man. 1.00

01:04:29.000 Hey, man, welcome to politics, brother. 0.97

01:04:31.000 When you mention anti Israel, I'm like, you got to be like, I'm not saying you, but one has to be very clear what that means. 0.57

01:04:36.000 Aspects like you can be a, I mean, he said it in his uh, in his speech, you know, he made the crack about uh, you know, he said his opponent was in Tel Aviv, yeah.

01:04:46.000 So, like, dissing on the Israeli military's strategy doesn't necessarily make you anti Israel.

01:04:53.000 Like, sometimes I'll crap on this the tactics of the American government, I'm very pro American government, I want them to have better tactics, so I'll point out when they're doing bad and encourage them to do better.

01:05:03.000 That doesn't you say something?

01:05:05.000 I looked like I was gonna say something, took a deep breath, I was ready for it.

01:05:09.000 But is, yeah, with the Massey anti Israel stuff, a lot of the money that was coming in was probably because he was anti Israel, right?

01:05:17.000 So that was probably a lot of it.

01:05:18.000 But his voters, do voters really care that much about Israel?

01:05:24.000 That's, I guess, what I'm curious about.

01:05:26.000 It depends.

01:05:26.000 I don't know.

01:05:27.000 Because I don't, as a voter, like when I look around at my representatives, like Israel is not really the top of my list of anything to care about. 0.97

01:05:36.000 Like they started the Iranian war, you could argue, and then they bombed, or they were like, we're going, and Trump's like, well, We weren't ready for it, but okay, now we'll send our U.S. military assets because the Israelis sparked a fireball. 0.79

01:05:49.000 So I was pissed about that. 0.89

01:05:50.000 It's like, who's the client state here?

01:05:52.000 That's something Bill Clinton would ask.

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 Yeah, that was a weird reveal.

01:05:56.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 However, I don't know if most people know about that stuff.

01:06:02.000 That was like one clip from Marco Rubio that everyone then spent a lot of time trying to walk back, right?

01:06:07.000 What was that? 0.93

01:06:08.000 That Israel was the catalyst for the Iran. 0.99

01:06:11.000 Yeah, that's out of the box now. 1.00

01:06:13.000 At least I know.

01:06:13.000 I can't unknow it.

01:06:14.000 The narrative I hear about Israel is just that it's really frustrating to see the government focus on that issue when, you know, there's so many people, you know, there's inflation going on, AI is taking our jobs, all of these things.

01:06:30.000 And it's like, why aren't we focused on these problems?

01:06:33.000 Why aren't we focused on these problems at home?

01:06:34.000 Why do I have to, you know, turn on the news and hear about the billions of dollars and the Navy going around the world?

01:06:39.000 What about me and my concerns?

01:06:42.000 And so I think that's the narrative that I see about it.

01:06:46.000 It's like, Hey, focus on us and our problems.

01:06:48.000 Like the opiate crisis and like psychosis induced marijuana.

01:06:52.000 Like, this is your specialty.

01:06:54.000 Up, up, up, up.

01:06:55.000 Wait, wait.

01:06:56.000 He just said it.

01:06:57.000 He just, you just gave me, you just gave me, you just gave me my segue into our next story.

01:07:05.000 Really well done.

01:07:06.000 Because, because, not because, are we going to be flying?

01:07:11.000 Now, we already know there's crazy people in the skies. 0.82

01:07:14.000 Secretary Duffy is working very hard to get them out of there.

01:07:17.000 He did, he got rid of Spirit Airlines.

01:07:19.000 So, congratulations on that.

01:07:21.000 Joking, joking, but you know, kind of.

01:07:24.000 And TSA is now starting to let passengers bring their weed on planes.

01:07:31.000 However, there is a catch.

01:07:32.000 Let's find out what that is.

01:07:34.000 The friendly skies just got a little bit friendlier.

01:07:37.000 TSA is now allowing medical marijuana to be taken on commercial flights.

01:07:42.000 Change significant because although cannabis for medical use is now legal in 40 states and DC, it remains outlawed at the federal level, which of course has jurisdictional control over the nation's.

01:07:51.000 Airports.

01:07:52.000 This comes after the Trump admin signed an order reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule III drug, effectively acknowledging that it has medicinal uses and allowing medical research at a federal level.

01:08:04.000 Doctor prescribed weed is now formally allowed on flights, both within customers' checked and carry on baggage, according to the TSA website, which is more concerned with thwarting potential safety threats than narking on passengers' stashes.

01:08:18.000 Okay, what is the.

01:08:21.000 They're not going to be searching for illegal drugs, but if any illegal substance or criminal activity is found, They'll refer it to law enforcement.

01:08:29.000 Where's the big catch?

01:08:31.000 I'm missing the big catch.

01:08:32.000 What's the big catch that they have?

01:08:33.000 But don't bring your heroin or something?

01:08:37.000 I mean, it just seems to be part of a general trend of just like loosening up the way we look at cannabis, right?

01:08:37.000 I don't know.

01:08:46.000 You know, it's legal in 40 states.

01:08:47.000 You can now bring it on the plane.

01:08:49.000 We're going to reclassify it as Schedule 3.

01:08:53.000 And it's a bad thing.

01:08:54.000 I mean, this isn't necessarily bad.

01:08:56.000 I mean, someone bringing their prescription pot on a plane.

01:08:59.000 But the general trend in the country towards normalizing the use of cannabis now is very dangerous.

01:09:05.000 I mean, yeah.

01:09:06.000 We've got cannabinoids in our brain. 1.00

01:09:08.000 I think the hominid evolved alongside eating this stuff and maybe smoking it. 0.76

01:09:12.000 But you were mentioning earlier that they basically Frankenstein this stuff in labs to have excessive amounts of THC driving children's psychosis and even adult psychosis. 0.60

01:09:23.000 Yes, Ian.

01:09:24.000 And so we have cannabidiol receptors in the brain.

01:09:30.000 It is a natural thing.

01:09:31.000 But from 2010 onwards, the concentration in THC just hockey sticked.

01:09:36.000 I mean, we went from sub 10%.

01:09:38.000 Cannabis strains.

01:09:40.000 And back in the 70s, it was 3%.

01:09:43.000 To now, you go into a dispensary, it's like 25%, and even higher.

01:09:48.000 I mean, if you're doing wax, dabs, or things like that, it's like 90%.

01:09:52.000 Gummies as well.

01:09:54.000 And okay, so why is this important?

01:09:56.000 Well, a study was done about 10 years ago.

01:09:59.000 It was in the UK, and they looked at what is the conversion to schizophrenia in two groups of people who were smoking cannabis products.

01:10:07.000 You had one group who was smoking 5% concentration.

01:10:11.000 Which is really the stuff that most people smoked in like the 90s, early 2000s.

01:10:16.000 And then they had another group that was on 15%.

01:10:19.000 They looked at the rate of conversion to schizophrenia.

01:10:21.000 It was five times higher in the group that was on the 15%.

01:10:25.000 And so, a couple other stats here that are important is the background rate of conversion is 1%.

01:10:32.000 The group that was smoking 5% stuff every day, no difference, no difference compared to the background rate.

01:10:38.000 But once you start going up to that 15% range and even higher, It goes up by a factor of five.

01:10:44.000 This is because it's the acute dose basically is breaking or causing.

01:10:50.000 I don't know if you know the science behind what it's doing specifically.

01:10:53.000 I think it's causing brain damage, is what's happening.

01:10:56.000 I think the cannabis that people are smoking now is neurotoxic.

01:11:00.000 And because what they're seeing is if you're smoking this high concentration THC, you have a five fold higher risk of getting diagnosed with schizophrenia.

01:11:10.000 Schizophrenia is not just like a drug induced psychosis where you smoke and then, hey, A couple days later, when you sober up, it goes away.

01:11:17.000 It sticks?

01:11:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, people have bad weed.

01:11:19.000 Schizophrenia sticks.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, people have enduring psychoses.

01:11:24.000 And so I see this in my practice.

01:11:26.000 This is why I talk about it so much.

01:11:27.000 Because what happens is you get a kid, they go away to college, they join a frat, and then they start smoking weed with their buddies.

01:11:36.000 And for whatever genetic reason, they're just more susceptible to this.

01:11:39.000 And then they have a psychotic episode.

01:11:41.000 This isn't a kid who looked like he was going to develop schizophrenia.

01:11:45.000 You know, previously high functioning, social, doing well in school.

01:11:48.000 But then he has a psychotic episode and he's just not the same afterwards.

01:11:52.000 You know, there's just kind of these ongoing delusions that happen afterwards.

01:11:58.000 And the only way that I can understand it is that the drug actually damaged his brain.

01:12:04.000 And there's a whole lady, I mean, there's a lady on YouTube, her name's Aubrey Adams.

01:12:08.000 She does a channel called Every Brain Matters where they interview young men and their parents who have gone through drug induced psychoses.

01:12:14.000 And if you listen to these stories, like, When you have a drug induced psychosis from cannabis, these kids, it takes them like a year or sometimes two years to get better.

01:12:24.000 Really, just to get their thing back together, just like get their life back together?

01:12:28.000 Yeah, I mean, it's almost like you've had like a toxic reaction.

01:12:31.000 Like they might have a really bad psychosis at first, but then for the rest of the years, they're kind of going in and out of paranoia and delusions.

01:12:38.000 They have mood instability, their mood swings, things like that.

01:12:41.000 And so it's taking them a long time to normalize.

01:12:44.000 And what's happening in the meantime is they're getting diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar and getting jacked up on all these antipsychotic drugs.

01:12:52.000 And that's essentially when they come to me.

01:12:54.000 It's like years later, they've sobered up, they come off, and they're like, why am I on a drug for schizophrenia?

01:12:58.000 And I'm like, yeah, good question.

01:13:01.000 Does it have something to do with stripping the CBD out of the.

01:13:04.000 Marijuana, as well, the cannabis.

01:13:06.000 I mean, the concentration is just crazy.

01:13:08.000 I mean, like, I get so much pushback when I talk about this because there's like some really diehard stoners out there, and they're just like, this is some reefer madness bull from like the 70s.

01:13:19.000 Like, we've gone through this before, it's really not that big of a deal.

01:13:22.000 But it's like, no, I mean, the stuff we're smoking now is, you know, it's like Frankenstein weed.

01:13:28.000 You know, it's hybridized.

01:13:29.000 You know, they've multiple generations of picking the strongest strains.

01:13:33.000 You grow it hydroponically, you know, filled with fertilizers.

01:13:36.000 And then you can even take it a step further where you're getting concentrates and dabs, and people are vaping it.

01:13:41.000 And they're trying to pretend that it's the same thing that we smoked back in the 90s or in the 70s or, you know, before 2010 when the technology just.

01:13:49.000 Oh, Josh, just what do you mean we?

01:13:52.000 I did.

01:13:52.000 I did partake in that.

01:13:54.000 I did partake back in the day.

01:13:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:57.000 I mean, I know this is anecdotal.

01:13:58.000 So for whatever it's worth, I used to love smoking weed, but it was the weed that was grown on farms from people that I knew, you know, whether it was.

01:14:04.000 Did it have seeds?

01:14:05.000 Yeah, it had the seeds and stems.

01:14:06.000 Yeah, it had the seeds and stems.

01:14:07.000 Yeah, I mean, it was from.

01:14:08.000 Farmers and you know, Jamaicans and Yonkers or farms on Long Island, it doesn't have seeds and stems anymore. 0.81

01:14:12.000 It doesn't have seeds, it's been engineered to you know, have used to love smoking weed, smoke blunts.

01:14:17.000 Yeah, and when I moved to California, and I guess it was 2018, I was like, This is paradise, this is great.

01:14:22.000 I get all the weed I want.

01:14:23.000 I stopped smoking in two weeks because I no, no, I had had acid trips that were more genteel than the weed that I was smoking.

01:14:30.000 I'm not even joking, this is serious.

01:14:32.000 Like, I mean, long time weed smoker, California, done, not for me.

01:14:37.000 What year was that?

01:14:38.000 That was 2019, 2018, 2019, when I was in California.

01:14:42.000 Yeah, so that fits into what you're saying.

01:14:44.000 Oh, 100%.

01:14:46.000 I actually had the exact same experience.

01:14:48.000 I came to the US back in 2013.

01:14:52.000 I think it was probably around 2013.

01:14:55.000 I was doing an exchange down at LSU, and it's like, this is exciting.

01:15:00.000 We're in the US.

01:15:01.000 California is legalized weeds.

01:15:03.000 A friend of mine goes into a dispensary.

01:15:05.000 I think he pays, no, he goes to see a doctor because it was medically legal then.

01:15:11.000 And it was just like the biggest fake experience ever.

01:15:14.000 You're just on the Venice boardwalk.

01:15:15.000 You walk into a shady room, you give a guy $150 and you walk out with a card.

01:15:20.000 And we said, okay, this is funny.

01:15:21.000 You go into the dispensary.

01:15:24.000 We smoked one joint.

01:15:25.000 We missed our flight that day.

01:15:27.000 We were so wrecked.

01:15:30.000 That's bad.

01:15:31.000 We ended up just like somehow making it to a hotel because what the experience that we had had smoking essentially the ditch weed back in Australia, I mean, it was already like back then, it was just so crazy strong.

01:15:48.000 It pretty much knocked us out.

01:15:49.000 And I've even seen, what is it, Pete Davidson has been online recently talking about how he's kind of turning away from the modern weed.

01:15:57.000 And he was like a stoner icon for years.

01:16:01.000 He's also removed most of his tattoos.

01:16:04.000 Yeah.

01:16:06.000 Cleaning it up.

01:16:07.000 This is terrible.

01:16:08.000 You know what bothers me is that marijuana, cannabis, as far as I know, has a lot of healing properties in its natural base state.

01:16:16.000 You have the brain chemistry for it, the cannabinoids, they're ready for it.

01:16:19.000 But they're calling it the same name, but it's a different substance now, and it's destroying people.

01:16:25.000 It was wrecking me.

01:16:26.000 I was using it for like four months straight because we were using it to heal my buddy.

01:16:32.000 I mentioned this before.

01:16:33.000 My buddy's got into a car accident.

01:16:35.000 And so instead of using opiates, he decided his brain injury is like, I would rather use cannabis to help.

01:16:41.000 And it did.

01:16:41.000 And we smoked it together.

01:16:43.000 We played guitar.

01:16:44.000 We were regrowing brain cells.

01:16:46.000 And then after a lot of that healing happened, I just kept on that path.

01:16:49.000 I was traumatized.

01:16:50.000 I kept driving me insane, dude.

01:16:53.000 Insane.

01:16:53.000 Literally, my sensory perception overload was.

01:16:58.000 I don't know how to describe the pain and the disassociative suffering that I was going through.

01:17:03.000 It's anecdotal, anecdotal.

01:17:04.000 I've been smoking it for 25 years.

01:17:06.000 So, Dr. Joseph, then, you know, what other types?

01:17:10.000 So, we're talking about TSAs letting it on planes.

01:17:14.000 I just, you know, it's decriminalized in Philly, it's decriminalized in Pittsburgh, it's not.

01:17:19.000 It's in New York, too.

01:17:21.000 So, it's not legal anywhere in Pennsylvania, but it's decriminalized, meaning it's a citation, which you're probably not going to get picked up.

01:17:30.000 I smell it everywhere.

01:17:32.000 I smell it literally everywhere.

01:17:34.000 And it's disgusting.

01:17:37.000 I smell it in parks.

01:17:38.000 And it's like Tanya, my wife, Tanya Tay, she doesn't want to take the kids there when she's smelling this all over the place.

01:17:43.000 Supposed to be illegal in parks, but they do it anyway.

01:17:46.000 What other types of social outcomes are we seeing from this in terms of crime, in terms of perhaps, unfortunately, psychosis induced, perhaps violence?

01:17:58.000 I mean, the main thing that people kept on saying, oh, this is going to.

01:18:04.000 You know, we're going to legalize cannabis and it's going to help these minority communities where, you know, where the use, you know, there's not going to be as much dealing with it.

01:18:14.000 Less people are going to be going to jail.

01:18:16.000 And none of that happened.

01:18:18.000 You know, it was the worst thing for the minority communities because cannabis rates went up.

01:18:23.000 And that does not help people, you know, when you're, you know, when a larger proportion of your community is getting high.

01:18:30.000 I mean, there's the, and so I want to say this here.

01:18:35.000 We are actually, I think we're standing on a precipice of this problem getting a lot worse because what was buried in that story there was about how it was reclassified to Schedule 3 from Schedule 1.

01:18:47.000 And so, what that means is there's essentially tax breaks now for these cannabis companies.

01:18:54.000 And so, let me kind of draw a line.

01:18:56.000 So, now these companies are going to have tax breaks, which means they're going to be able to spend more money on marketing.

01:19:04.000 And this is a massive billion dollar industry now.

01:19:08.000 That's really kind of pushing these narratives like it's natural, it's safe, it's not a big deal.

01:19:13.000 And I'm not going to sit here and say, hey, we should take the weed away from the guy who has glaucoma or the weed away from someone who has end stage cancer and they just want something for pain.

01:19:23.000 There's clearly some use case scenarios in there.

01:19:27.000 But this thing has just expanded so large now where these small use case scenarios is just like, it's normal, it's natural.

01:19:36.000 People smoke weed every night to go to sleep.

01:19:38.000 People smoke weed whenever they're having problems with anxiety.

01:19:41.000 And they're smoking this crazy stuff, it's going to lead to higher car accidents and things like that.

01:19:46.000 I don't want to live in a place where I have to worry about people being high on the road.

01:19:51.000 I mean, to me, that's terrifying.

01:19:53.000 You know, if we have.

01:19:53.000 Well, we just can't test for that either.

01:19:56.000 We can't test for the. 0.90

01:19:56.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.90

01:19:57.000 It's no breathalyzer stuff.

01:19:58.000 It's no breathalyzer for weed, yeah.

01:20:00.000 Do you think it'll get to the point where we start delineating between like old school weed, like 5% THC, and this is the stuff that might help you go to sleep and then everything else?

01:20:09.000 Yeah, Ian, I actually think that's what we should do.

01:20:11.000 I mean, if we want to let the genie out of the bottle and say, hey, you know, You know, responsible adults should be able to get this stuff.

01:20:18.000 There needs to be a big time education campaign on how bad the strongest stuff is.

01:20:22.000 And there needs to be requirements that in the dispensaries, it's like, hey, you need to stock sub 10% concentrations from back in the day for people who want to use that product, but not put themselves at that increased risk of psychosis and all of those problems.

01:20:39.000 I mean, there's been what's interesting about substances, right?

01:20:42.000 Is that we've had times in this country where everyone talks about 100 years ago, you could.

01:20:49.000 Order, you know, cocaine and heroin from the Sears catalog, or Coca Cola used to actually have cocaine in it.

01:20:55.000 Um, but at the same time, you've also got things right now like fentanyl, like you can go to any hospital and they have fentanyl as a painkiller, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go pick up some at the pharmacy.

01:21:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:08.000 I mean, it's I got a press release today about how, um, there's fentanyl, like how some of these like marijuana vapes are being um spiked with fentanyl.

01:21:19.000 Oh, gross.

01:21:20.000 Wow, those oils are so unknown, really bad.

01:21:23.000 No, I'm sure because then you get a faster high.

01:21:25.000 Man, I was just watching this clip on Instagram.

01:21:27.000 But a totally different kind of thing, right?

01:21:29.000 Plus, there's also the synthetics too, which also run into K2, but there's all these different blends and who knows what's in there.

01:21:35.000 Spice, that was some garbage from 2010.

01:21:38.000 Salvia. 0.85

01:21:39.000 That guy was Daniel Neely or Jordan Neely.

01:21:42.000 There was that.

01:21:43.000 On the subway.

01:21:44.000 Neely?

01:21:44.000 Jordan Neely, yeah.

01:21:45.000 There was that thing in the subway, and this was where he was choked out.

01:21:49.000 Yeah, Daniel Penny choked him out.

01:21:49.000 Daniel Penny, yeah.

01:21:51.000 Right.

01:21:52.000 K2, spice.

01:21:53.000 That's what that was.

01:21:55.000 He was having a psychotic episode like on the train because he was smoking synthetics.

01:22:00.000 That's exactly what we're talking about.

01:22:01.000 Is that what it was?

01:22:02.000 Yeah, that's what it was.

01:22:03.000 Like, you look into it and they're like, yeah, he was, he was, I think he was living in like a homeless shelter or something like that at the time. 0.57

01:22:11.000 And they talked to one of his bunk mates over there and they were just like, he was just constantly smoking K2.

01:22:16.000 And so he goes and has a psychotic episode and ends up dying because he causes a public disturbance on the train.

01:22:22.000 And Daniel Penny obviously jumped in and, you know, choked him out and he died.

01:22:27.000 But that's, Like you'll start to see, you know, a lot of these random things.

01:22:32.000 Do you think, by the way, and now we're getting into trouble, but do you think that him being on the K2 could have contributed to his death as well?

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:44.000 Not just in terms of behavior, but also just in terms of respiration and his heart rate and all of that.

01:22:49.000 Yeah.

01:22:50.000 When people go into psychosis from cannabis, I think they're experiencing brain damage because it endures afterwards.

01:22:57.000 And so, what are the things in the brain?

01:22:59.000 You know, cardio respiratory centers?

01:23:01.000 You know, all of that.

01:23:02.000 And so I think it's, yeah, definitely a possibility.

01:23:07.000 I mean, he was, he was really, I mean, he was, he was, because the way it works is that it's already blocking your neural receptors.

01:23:13.000 It's already blocked air to the brain, right?

01:23:15.000 Oxygen to the brain is kind of the whole, the whole point of it.

01:23:18.000 So then you're doing that.

01:23:19.000 Then Jordan Neely, or excuse me, Daniel Penny, which I don't think anyone actually thinks that he wanted, you know, for him to die, but, you know, it probably didn't realize that he was in this, in this, uh, You know, K2 state, the psychotic state. 0.51

01:23:35.000 Yeah.

01:23:35.000 George Floyd also.

01:23:36.000 George Floyd also.

01:23:37.000 Which, yeah, which kind of gets into George Floyd with vent all.

01:23:40.000 You were saying?

01:23:40.000 No, it's just freaky when, like, when people are freaking out on the subway, it's terrifying.

01:23:44.000 Freaking out alone in my room is terrifying.

01:23:45.000 Trapped in a tin can with, like, a nut job.

01:23:48.000 I one time had this guy who was clearly tripping out on something and he had a weird clown face on and he kept walking up to everybody like this and then, like, looking right in your face like this.

01:23:59.000 And it would turn into that situation where, like, the whole normal population of the train car was crowded down one end while this. 0.64

01:24:06.000 Guy was like doing his weird creepy Kalan thing at the other end. 0.56

01:24:09.000 Yeah, what's amazing is that when you go to other parts of the world, Japan, Eastern Europe, this doesn't happen usually. 0.88

01:24:15.000 You find out that we actually don't have to live like this.

01:24:17.000 I keep saying this doesn't happen other places. 0.97

01:24:20.000 And, you know, once you realize it, you know, what Bukele can do down in El Salvador, et cetera, is that there are places where they, you know, they take people like this and they say, get out of public, get out of here. 0.68

01:24:32.000 Like drug addled psychos.

01:24:32.000 Yeah.

01:24:33.000 Yes.

01:24:34.000 That's one harsh way of saying psychosis induced by.

01:24:36.000 You know, there's a TV show in Japan about like little kids who just go to school by themselves on mass transit.

01:24:43.000 Oh, that was bad as my life growing up, man.

01:24:45.000 And I just walked, though.

01:24:46.000 And, uh, I think there's ones called where they like run errands and stuff too.

01:24:51.000 They just go to the store and get something.

01:24:53.000 I mean, think about how many people you know will say, or your parents, your grandparents, depending on what the generation is.

01:25:00.000 Oh, when I was eight years old, I used to go down to the store to get milk from my mom or something.

01:25:05.000 And how many of us have kids that we'd let our kids do that today?

01:25:08.000 No one. 0.71

01:25:09.000 When I was 10, my stepmom would drive up to the general store and send me in to go buy her cigarettes.

01:25:16.000 And I remember distinctly when Massachusetts changed the law and said that you can't sell minors.

01:25:22.000 Cigarettes like they changed some law with that.

01:25:25.000 And I went in and I was like, Oh, I'm you know, I have to pick up Merit Ultralights for my mom.

01:25:31.000 And they were like, Oh, we can't sell it to you.

01:25:32.000 And I was like, Uh oh, I'm gonna get in so much trouble.

01:25:35.000 And I went out to the car and my stepmom was so mad and she like yelled and she went into the store and she threw a fit.

01:25:40.000 Wait, no, why are you telling me I gotta come into this store to buy the cigarettes myself?

01:25:46.000 I can't just send my kid in here. 1.00

01:25:48.000 You nuts. 0.99

01:25:49.000 She freaked out. 0.99

01:25:50.000 Oh, what a great childhood to grow up.

01:25:52.000 I wish we had more of that these days.

01:25:53.000 What I think is hysterical is I will never forget.

01:25:56.000 My stepmom's brand of cigarettes.

01:25:56.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 My brand.

01:25:59.000 Merit Ultralights.

01:26:00.000 Merit Ultralights.

01:26:00.000 I have to champion for cannabis.

01:26:02.000 Oh, because only because I just watched an Instagram video.

01:26:06.000 This isn't the only reason, but Brian Wilson, the founder of the Beach Boys, you know, one of the greatest bands of all time, human history.

01:26:11.000 He passed away last year, right?

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 Pet Sounds.

01:26:14.000 He actually went through a heavy bout of psychosis himself.

01:26:16.000 Pet Sounds, the Beach Boys' greatest album, arguably, was written stoned.

01:26:22.000 He talks about I invited my buddy over, we partook in the marijuana, and they just went to town.

01:26:27.000 No interruptions for days writing that album.

01:26:29.000 And then they got it done.

01:26:30.000 One of the best creative works in human history, to be honest. 1.00

01:26:34.000 That's what we need to preserve the value of that plant, the 5%. 0.99

01:26:38.000 Yeah, that's what that's the.

01:26:40.000 Yeah.

01:26:41.000 Yeah.

01:26:41.000 But again, that's going back to, you know, what I think the pet sounds, what, the 60s?

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:46.000 And the Beatles are.

01:26:47.000 Totally different weed.

01:26:48.000 They were probably picking out the 60s.

01:26:49.000 Yeah, the Beatles.

01:26:50.000 Of course.

01:26:50.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, that was that study, you know, those people.

01:26:51.000 Different weed.

01:26:53.000 If you listen to Sgt. Pepper's, there's a lot of drugs on that album.

01:26:57.000 Did they smoke weed at the White House with Bob Dylan?

01:26:57.000 Yeah.

01:27:00.000 Probably.

01:27:01.000 Hopefully, likely.

01:27:02.000 That's true.

01:27:02.000 I think so.

01:27:03.000 Yes.

01:27:03.000 I remember reading that.

01:27:04.000 I don't know if it's true. 0.98

01:27:05.000 I like to believe it.

01:27:06.000 Well, I was going to say, you know, in that study, the people that were smoking that 5% to 8%, they had no higher rate of conversion to schizophrenia than just the general population.

01:27:16.000 So that older stuff was like fine.

01:27:19.000 And there wasn't an issue with that.

01:27:21.000 So if you're going, and I just don't know how this works, but if you're going to a dispensary, is this something that you can sort of request?

01:27:29.000 They don't have it.

01:27:30.000 Yeah.

01:27:30.000 I mean, I don't smoke it, so I haven't been in there.

01:27:33.000 But has anyone been in there lately?

01:27:35.000 Do you have.

01:27:35.000 Marilyn, you can't get CBD.

01:27:37.000 So, but does it say the THC?

01:27:39.000 It's like 29%.

01:27:41.000 Crazy.

01:27:41.000 Okay, yeah.

01:27:42.000 You're saying there's an exponential rise in psychosis induction from going from 5% to 15%.

01:27:42.000 Crazy.

01:27:48.000 That's a three times more THC where you're seeing a five times increase in psychosis.

01:27:52.000 Yeah.

01:27:53.000 So, what does that mean if you're multiplying it by nine times?

01:27:55.000 Are you seeing a 27 times increase in psychosis?

01:27:58.000 I mean, we don't have the data for that, but yeah.

01:28:00.000 I mean, if it went from.

01:28:02.000 You know, 1% background rate to 5% background rate with 15%.

01:28:06.000 If you're getting 29%, 30% there, it's like that could be even higher.

01:28:10.000 I mean, that could be like a 1 in 10 conversion if you're a daily user.

01:28:14.000 I brought up CBD because I don't think it's as simple as lower the THC and everything's fine.

01:28:17.000 I think that the CBD, cannabidiol, is an important part of the plant's healing process.

01:28:22.000 And to take that out is like very rude.

01:28:25.000 Like, I don't know.

01:28:27.000 I've had marijuana where there's no THC or like 1% and it's all CBD.

01:28:32.000 And there's data about that because the synthetic stuff that is just made in a lab that just like hits that receptor hard, as you know, full on, is much worse than even the buds that you get that are even stronger.

01:28:45.000 So, yeah, there's something about it.

01:28:46.000 If you at least have the natural form, it's a lot better than the synthetics.

01:28:49.000 What if it burns out neural pathways?

01:28:52.000 If it gets them really hot really fast and flashes them and they burn?

01:28:56.000 I think it's just, I mean, I'm not sure what it is, but it's toxic.

01:29:00.000 And, you know, the last thing that I really want to make about this, which is important, is I actually think it leads to the homelessness crisis.

01:29:09.000 I think a lot of homeless people on the street right now are actually there because they have brain damage.

01:29:13.000 I think there's this like natural.

01:29:14.000 And this is what Spencer Pratt is talking about in LA.

01:29:17.000 Yeah.

01:29:18.000 And, you know, Brett Cooper was talking about it recently as well.

01:29:21.000 She has a brother who, you know, that's right.

01:29:24.000 It was, you know, in all this time that you've been mentioning it, I knew that there was someone I had seen recently, you know, on Twitter talking about it.

01:29:31.000 I couldn't remember who it was.

01:29:32.000 Thank you.

01:29:32.000 It was Brett Cooper.

01:29:33.000 It was Brett Cooper.

01:29:34.000 And for years, the doctors told them that her brother had schizophrenia.

01:29:38.000 And then, you know, when a lot of this started coming out in the last couple of years about how dangerous the new pot is, she was like, oh, it was actually drug induced psychosis.

01:29:45.000 And he suffered from homelessness for a really long time.

01:29:49.000 And they tried everything that they could to kind of get him help.

01:29:52.000 But he's, you know, it sounds like he's still suffering.

01:29:55.000 I'd like to see an fMRI scan of a patient under the influence of like a 29% and then underneath, under the influence of a 5%.

01:30:02.000 Same guys.

01:30:03.000 Then do like 100 people, you know, and give them a week to buffer.

01:30:07.000 But I mean, if you can see the brain scans of what's going on, it'd be a lot, make a lot more sense, I think.

01:30:11.000 Yeah, that would be some really good research that we need now.

01:30:14.000 So what do you need to do to get that going?

01:30:17.000 I think we need a better NIMH.

01:30:19.000 We need an NIMH director who's really going to be wise to these.

01:30:22.000 Problems and not just following what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to do, which is essentially just look for more targets for pharmaceutical drugs.

01:30:29.000 And unfortunately, the Schedule Three, which I was against very publicly against, you may recall, that it's, you know, sure, they're going to be funding research.

01:30:40.000 Of course, they're going to be funding research.

01:30:41.000 And I wonder what that research is going to say, right?

01:30:44.000 You know, they'll make sure to get it out.

01:30:46.000 And the reason that was such a big deal is because it makes it so that you can write that off as a business expense now.

01:30:53.000 And they'll do things like they'll be like, We found no evidence that it leads to psychosis.

01:30:53.000 Right.

01:30:57.000 You'd be like, oh, what were your studies?

01:30:58.000 We didn't do any.

01:30:59.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:31:00.000 That's what they do with aspartame.

01:31:01.000 They're like, we haven't been able to find a correlation between aspartame and cancer.

01:31:04.000 And you're like, how many studies have you done?

01:31:05.000 We never really tried to look.

01:31:06.000 We couldn't find it.

01:31:07.000 Maybe one study with rats that they found causing tumors with aspartame, I believe.

01:31:12.000 So, yeah, hold their feet to the fire and make them study this stuff.

01:31:16.000 I'm an aspartame true through, by the way.

01:31:17.000 I don't think aspartame is dangerous.

01:31:19.000 Wasn't it a rat poison before Searle made it?

01:31:22.000 No, no.

01:31:23.000 Before they put Donald Rumsfeld on that board and passed it into the as a food additive?

01:31:27.000 No?

01:31:27.000 No.

01:31:28.000 No, there was one study.

01:31:29.000 There was one study that said it went after rats.

01:31:32.000 No.

01:31:32.000 Where are the other studies?

01:31:33.000 It was a positive study.

01:31:33.000 That was it.

01:31:35.000 Because they couldn't find another one.

01:31:37.000 Well, I don't think they did another one.

01:31:38.000 You know, most asbestos is not cancer causing and it's a really good fire prevention insulator.

01:31:46.000 But because there was one form of asbestos that turned out badly, all the asbestos is pretty much banned.

01:31:52.000 Are there so many house fires now?

01:31:54.000 I don't know, but it could be because you're not allowed to use the asbestos installation.

01:31:58.000 Yeah, well, that's the same thing with weed.

01:31:58.000 That's wild.

01:32:00.000 Insulation.

01:32:01.000 Maybe there's like one kind of weed, 28% THC, that'll drive you insane, but I bet there's other.

01:32:06.000 That's important.

01:32:07.000 Before we go to super chats, I wanted to make that point too, because I do think, uh, and here this will be my uh thought crime of the night, I guess, that not really though, but to your point, that I do think that it affects people differently who have different genetics.

01:32:21.000 I think these people, some people are predisposed to it, and that clearly speaks to you know what you're saying about how you know Brian Wilson can go and write pet sounds and the Beatles can go and create their music, and given that that's at a lower dosage, etc., but but at the same time, you know, there's other people who just completely You know, completely go wild on it.

01:32:40.000 It's kind of like where, you know, you see those people who are 100 years old sometimes and you're like, How'd you get to 100?

01:32:45.000 And they go, I smoked a pack of cigarettes every day and I drank some wiki and I was fine.

01:32:52.000 And you're like, But then other people get lung cancer at like 60.

01:32:57.000 So I do think that there is a huge role that genetics plays in all of this that, you know, for a lot of politically correct reasons, you know, people don't want to talk about.

01:33:07.000 Oh, and we should.

01:33:08.000 Like where your ancestors came from decided, were they, Did they have the cannabis plant even in the environment?

01:33:13.000 Like, I was gonna see this with lactose intolerance, for example.

01:33:15.000 Okay, like I was on the Boonies skate podcast, I don't know if it's live yet.

01:33:19.000 Uh, Cody McIntyre, Richie Jackson, um, it was awesome.

01:33:23.000 Brandon Miner and Andros, anyway, Richie doesn't smoke pot, he's very much against it.

01:33:28.000 But I think it's just speaking to what you said because it's the same conversation we had that his ancestors probably didn't smoke it or, or likely maybe didn't.

01:33:35.000 I don't know how to find out, but and some did, man.

01:33:38.000 It I didn't touch it till I was 23, but it locked in with me.

01:33:41.000 Like it took me to another level of quality, of value.

01:33:45.000 Like I got inspired.

01:33:47.000 I made, started doing YouTube videos in 2006, way before anyone knew what that meant.

01:33:50.000 That you could have ended up there without it?

01:33:52.000 No, no.

01:33:53.000 I was in the box, do what they told me.

01:33:55.000 I was going to be an actor in Hollywood, just make the money, say whatever they wanted me to say.

01:33:58.000 I didn't care.

01:33:59.000 Then I started to care.

01:34:00.000 I really believed like there's something much bigger than what I can see and hear and feel and all that.

01:34:05.000 But that's because of the weed.

01:34:05.000 The hypersensitivity allowed me to like sense God, for instance, I think.

01:34:11.000 But it maybe doesn't do that for everybody.

01:34:13.000 And some people aren't using it for inspiration.

01:34:15.000 I think a big problem is a lot of people just use it like any other pharmaceutical.

01:34:20.000 If they have like anxiety or if they're having panic attacks or they're having issues with insomnia, that's just like an easy thing to reach for now.

01:34:26.000 It's just like another sort of chemical thing to soothe it.

01:34:31.000 And it ends up making them worse over time.

01:34:33.000 So I do want to jump to super chats.

01:34:35.000 And rather than go all the way back to the beginning, since we're already right here, I want to go because we actually have a ton of super chats about weed, drugs, all the rest of it.

01:34:46.000 So let me see.

01:34:49.000 I love that we're talking about this while you're pulling up Super Chat.

01:34:51.000 This is such a prescient issue.

01:34:52.000 I think it goes under the radar a lot in mind.

01:34:54.000 This has more Super Chats than any other topic that we've talked about tonight.

01:34:58.000 People in the chat love the weed talk.

01:35:00.000 They love the weed talk.

01:35:01.000 Yeah.

01:35:02.000 Big.

01:35:03.000 So, yeah, I want to get this one in because it's very interesting.

01:35:06.000 So, Super Jacinder, 25,000 people reported that their cannabis can.

01:35:12.000 So, wait, should I actually click it and pull it up?

01:35:13.000 Will that work?

01:35:14.000 Uh-uh.

01:35:15.000 I don't know how to do that.

01:35:16.000 I don't know how to YouTube.

01:35:18.000 Reported that their cannabis consumption activity caused them to use less morphine and less methamphetamine.

01:35:25.000 So, I guess that's an argument, like a pro argument.

01:35:28.000 What would your response to that be?

01:35:32.000 I mean, I don't know about that study.

01:35:36.000 And I think there's always this argument that, hey, would you rather people be on fentanyl and morphine for their pain or be smoking cannabis?

01:35:44.000 I think it's a fair argument for chronic pain.

01:35:48.000 I mean, we are kind of moving like that.

01:35:50.000 There's always these like little niche scenarios about, hey, you know, what about the person with pain?

01:35:55.000 The issue that I have is that there's a big cannabis industry now that is essentially just like pushing it to everyone, young kids, essentially saying it's safe and it's legal and everyone thinks it's not a big deal.

01:36:08.000 I do think you can do that calculus and just say, hey, do we want to use cannabis instead of fentanyl and opiates?

01:36:14.000 You know, is that a better long term trade off?

01:36:15.000 I think that's totally fair, but yeah, but it's become a bigger issue than that.

01:36:20.000 No, I hear you.

01:36:21.000 That makes a lot of sense.

01:36:23.000 Mike here is coming in and says, I'll forever be more worried about.

01:36:27.000 Alcohol than weed.

01:36:30.000 And to be sure, this is.

01:36:31.000 And what's interesting though is actually we're seeing trend after trend of people drinking less.

01:36:38.000 And just that it's becoming less.

01:36:40.000 But now, but that's probably because they're smoking more weed.

01:36:43.000 Yeah.

01:36:44.000 Yeah.

01:36:44.000 I think.

01:36:45.000 Doesn't mean they're getting off of all substances.

01:36:51.000 Alcohol does cause a lot of problems.

01:36:52.000 I mean, you know, when you look at the stats for alcohol, there's a lot more like violence, domestic violence, things like that, you know, car accidents.

01:37:01.000 Cannabis is just causing different problems.

01:37:03.000 I mean, so, I mean, if you care about brain health, psychosis, mania, mood instability, all of that, I mean, I think you can care about both of them.

01:37:11.000 I don't think you need to pin them one against another.

01:37:13.000 I think both need to be used carefully and safely.

01:37:15.000 Yeah, both things are bad.

01:37:16.000 Yeah.

01:37:17.000 We're good, depending on how you use them.

01:37:19.000 No, I mentioned them from time to time, but 20 years sober.

01:37:19.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 So, amen, brother.

01:37:25.000 Do you drink coffee?

01:37:27.000 I do drink coffee.

01:37:27.000 That caffeine gets me wired up, baby.

01:37:30.000 Intense drug right there.

01:37:32.000 It hit 20 years last year.

01:37:33.000 Let's see, it's a big 7588 says regulate, license, and tax the sales like alcohol.

01:37:39.000 Well, I mean, that's what they are doing.

01:37:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:41.000 I think they need to.

01:37:45.000 We need to tax it and we need to push that money into regulation about educating kids that, you know, it's really not that safe.

01:37:54.000 And then also to, and especially young kids as well.

01:37:58.000 Like, I mean, a lot of these problems, they're not happening in people who are over 30.

01:38:02.000 You know, once your brain has fully matured, you're much less likely to have a drug induced psychosis.

01:38:08.000 So it's under 30.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:11.000 So the highest risk period is really in adolescence.

01:38:14.000 And that's with any kind of drug or especially psychiatric drug.

01:38:18.000 Is that because the brain is still forming?

01:38:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:24.000 Your brain is still maturing up until age 30.

01:38:26.000 I mean, so it goes through this long maturation and you see way less psychiatric side effects after that.

01:38:33.000 And so just educating, taxing them, using that to push into education.

01:38:39.000 You know, making sure that they have lower concentrations of THC that are, you know, more like what people used to smoke, you know, pre 2010.

01:38:46.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:38:47.000 You were talking about how, you know, the different strains are, there's like the lower THC content or whatever.

01:38:54.000 And with alcohol, you can buy a bottle of wine and it's like relatively lower alcohol content, or you can buy whiskey or you can buy like Everclear or whatever that's like crazy high concentration of alcohol.

01:39:05.000 It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that you can only buy it.

01:39:08.000 Or your favorite, absinthe.

01:39:10.000 Yeah, I don't really drink Absinthe.

01:39:14.000 I don't really drink Absinthe.

01:39:16.000 No, I always wanted to when I was younger because I read crazy novels.

01:39:21.000 And then by the time I was grown up, I didn't care anymore.

01:39:24.000 But you should be able to buy the wine cooler version of weed.

01:39:32.000 And I worry sometimes that the reason where I was hearing about so many celebrities crashing out nowadays is because of cannabis.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:40.000 Do you guys remember Amanda Bynes?

01:39:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:42.000 She was here earlier.

01:39:44.000 Have you guys seen her recently?

01:39:45.000 She looks different. 0.94

01:39:46.000 Yeah, she looks different. 1.00

01:39:47.000 She doesn't look too hot.

01:39:49.000 And when you look at her story, I mean, it's a very similar like Britney story.

01:39:52.000 I mean, she had a psychosis about 10 years ago.

01:39:55.000 She got put on conservatorship for very many years.

01:39:59.000 And if you look at her now, she does psychiatrically, she doesn't look too hot, you know, when you see it.

01:40:05.000 Yeah, I'm thinking Britney's dad was right.

01:40:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:09.000 Well, so here's the other thing.

01:40:10.000 So Amanda Bynes, you read her story, it's cannabis, you know, drug induced psychosis from cannabis and Adderall that kicked it off.

01:40:19.000 Kanye West, you know, he starts having all of these, you know, going into the, 2010s, he starts to have more of these like manic episodes.

01:40:27.000 The big one with the swastika situation at the start of last year, you look at his history, you know, heavy cannabis user.

01:40:34.000 He talks about that publicly. 0.54

01:40:36.000 He talks about how agents and everybody were like trying to keep him drugged.

01:40:41.000 Yeah.

01:40:42.000 And so, and then wasn't something happened with Brittany lately?

01:40:45.000 And they were talking about how she was having problems with that knife dance back.

01:40:48.000 She was like picking knives.

01:40:50.000 Like every other day now. 0.63

01:40:51.000 I think there was something at a store, maybe.

01:40:55.000 I can't remember exactly.

01:40:55.000 It was something.

01:40:57.000 I feel like.

01:40:58.000 It's all been pretty bad.

01:40:59.000 It's all been pretty bad.

01:41:00.000 Yeah, it's not.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, I think her dad probably was right.

01:41:04.000 Her social media doesn't look too hot.

01:41:06.000 And so I look at all of this stuff, like, what are the chances that all of these celebrities are just developing bipolar disorder, mania, psychosis, ending up on conservatorship?

01:41:16.000 Especially the young stars.

01:41:17.000 The young ones.

01:41:18.000 And it's all happening in the 2010s, like, after this, we have this huge uptick in the strength of.

01:41:26.000 I really think there's something there.

01:41:26.000 THC.

01:41:28.000 Well, no, I think the real edgy thing to do now is go full straight edge.

01:41:33.000 I was like, geez, Jack.

01:41:35.000 No, no.

01:41:36.000 No, the straight edge.

01:41:37.000 Straight edge means cutting caffeine and sugar.

01:41:40.000 No, it doesn't.

01:41:41.000 No, it doesn't.

01:41:42.000 It drugs you up.

01:41:43.000 It's crazy.

01:41:44.000 It's so intense.

01:41:44.000 You gotta get through this, Ian.

01:41:46.000 You gotta have something.

01:41:46.000 Yeah.

01:41:47.000 You gotta have something.

01:41:48.000 I agree with you.

01:41:49.000 You gotta have something.

01:41:50.000 Well, let's say with that.

01:41:52.000 Where would you categorize caffeine in with all of this?

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:41:56.000 So, I mean, I would say cannabis, my talk about cannabis is probably the most unpopular talk that I have, you know, in terms of like people in the super chat.

01:42:07.000 The second most unpopular talk I have is when I talk about caffeine and nicotine, because especially when I come on conservative shows, you guys love your nicotine products.

01:42:15.000 You know, we got some dip over there.

01:42:18.000 Yeah.

01:42:19.000 We got some pouches over there.

01:42:21.000 And so, my problem with stimulants for everyone here who loves caffeine and nicotine products right now is I think.

01:42:28.000 In men and in women as well, but mostly in men, it is fueling an epidemic of insomnia.

01:42:35.000 And so, you know, we look at the data, women use twice as many antidepressants as men, but men use way more sedatives.

01:42:43.000 So things like Benzos, Xanax, all of that.

01:42:47.000 And what I think is going on is I think it has to do with the amount of caffeine and nicotine products we consume.

01:42:53.000 And let me draw this link for you.

01:42:54.000 So a lot of people, a lot of men will get hooked on Benzos.

01:42:58.000 Again, this is what I do in my clinic, I take people off sedatives.

01:43:02.000 And the stories that I get is you have someone who, really busy guy, maybe a little bit type A, doing a lot of work, drinks a cup of coffee in the morning, maybe has another one in the middle of the day, may use some nicotine products as well.

01:43:17.000 They do that for a little while, and then they start to say, I can't sleep.

01:43:21.000 I wake up in the middle of the night at 2, 3 a.m., and as much as I'd like to go back to sleep, I just can't.

01:43:27.000 And they're just there wired.

01:43:29.000 And so it starts like that, and then eventually they have difficulty getting to sleep, and they go, You know, what is this all about?

01:43:36.000 And then they run and they see the doctor, and then they end up getting put on a sedative, which they then become addicted to because the doctor should have said, Hey, well, where did this insomnia come from?

01:43:46.000 So here's where the caffeine and the nicotine come in, especially in the US where we are really busy.

01:43:52.000 We push ourselves a lot, it's just in our culture.

01:43:56.000 We take a lot of stimulants.

01:43:58.000 And what happens is you eventually, if you do that all the time, you wire your brain to be in a state essentially of hyper arousal.

01:44:07.000 I mean, you're constantly kind of either working, focusing, doing things.

01:44:12.000 You know, that's what we do in a very competitive society.

01:44:15.000 But when you layer on the stimulants on top of that, it makes it even worse.

01:44:19.000 And if you're constantly in that state, just pounding energy drinks, drinking nicotine, working behind a computer, stimulating yourself, you stop shifting into a space of calm, of low arousal.

01:44:30.000 And you need to be able to shift into that state of low arousal to have deep sleep.

01:44:35.000 And so this is a massive problem.

01:44:38.000 And this isn't just insomnia.

01:44:41.000 This is why people get panic attacks and they end up on antidepressants and things like this.

01:44:44.000 This is why people feel tense and agitated.

01:44:47.000 They're just so in this hyper aroused state all the time that they can't shift down.

01:44:52.000 And so, yeah, just this busyness and this stimulation.

01:44:55.000 I actually think it's like the common root cause of a lot of anxiety where people get burnt out, they stop sleeping, and then they become depressed.

01:45:03.000 And so that's where the caffeine and the nicotine come into it.

01:45:07.000 I don't think it's a good thing for people to be using a lot of this.

01:45:10.000 I mean, if you do it, I think like a cup of coffee in the morning is fine.

01:45:14.000 Try and cut it off.

01:45:17.000 And yeah, so I do think it leads to this big.

01:45:21.000 Well, you know, I actually, you know, I hear what you're saying.

01:45:24.000 And in fact, You know, when you get start getting these patients in, I have another.

01:45:28.000 I mean, I'm not licensed, but you know, if you have people that are having trouble getting sleep, another possible prescription could be a brand new MyPillow at mypillow.com, promo code POSO for ladies and gentlemen, the best night's sleep in the whole wide world.

01:45:46.000 Just that's really good.

01:45:48.000 I actually went to a doctor one time because I was having trouble sleeping and I couldn't sleep, it was terrible, it was a real disaster. 0.99

01:45:54.000 And she prescribed me, um, Whatever those things are that they prescribe all ladies to. 0.95

01:46:00.000 Ambient? 0.64

01:46:01.000 My pillows.

01:46:03.000 I think it was Ambient.

01:46:04.000 To try to get me to go to sleep.

01:46:04.000 Trazodone.

01:46:06.000 And then I would fall asleep, but I would have these ridiculously horrific nightmares.

01:46:11.000 Just always having nightmares, like every night.

01:46:14.000 And then I went to the store and I bought a new pillow.

01:46:17.000 Aha!

01:46:18.000 She got a My Pillow.

01:46:20.000 I didn't get a My Pillow.

01:46:21.000 It was a My Pillow.

01:46:22.000 Okay.

01:46:23.000 It was a My Pillow.

01:46:24.000 It really got dark.

01:46:25.000 About 15 years ago.

01:46:26.000 But whatever it was.

01:46:28.000 And then I could sleep.

01:46:29.000 And all I needed was a new pillow.

01:46:31.000 Like, seriously, I needed a new pillow and I got rid of the ambient.

01:46:34.000 Actually, flat back sometimes.

01:46:35.000 Oh, sorry, we got another super chat.

01:46:37.000 No, no, no.

01:46:38.000 I just wanted to mention to Dr. Joseph that this is something that I used to talk to Charlie Kirk about a lot.

01:46:48.000 And he was completely off of caffeine.

01:46:52.000 And I, you know, people know those, you know, he was not the Starbucks cups was not, yeah, it was Mint Magic Tea and two honeys.

01:47:00.000 And that, You know, no, you know, that was the most caffeine he would have was tea.

01:47:05.000 There was not coffee in those Starbucks cups.

01:47:07.000 And he even said to me once that he is super into biohacking.

01:47:13.000 That if he wrote another book, that he wanted to write a book about sleep and just the importance of sleep and how we do, you know, to everything that you're saying.

01:47:22.000 Because his last book ended up being this book about rest and taking just one day a week where you cut off social media.

01:47:28.000 He did like the Sabbath or something.

01:47:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:31.000 And then, but he went into, There's more to it than it's stopping the name of God, but it's more to it than just the spiritual elements.

01:47:38.000 He gets into a lot of the physical and psychological elements as well.

01:47:44.000 And he even said to me once that he would want to do an entire book just about the importance of sleep and how we totally discount that.

01:47:51.000 And the stimulation of looking at a screen, I don't know if you guys feel it, but if I ever like wake up in the night, if I look at this damn thing, I'm like, I got 15 minutes, I got to like rest again.

01:48:00.000 That is what happens. 0.99

01:48:01.000 Damn. 1.00

01:48:01.000 Well, that's what they're designed to do. 1.00

01:48:04.000 So is there evidence that cigarettes have more nicotine than they used to?

01:48:10.000 Not that I'm aware of.

01:48:11.000 I mean, that's like pretty regulated, where there's like, you know, you can buy, like, I can't remember what, it's been a while since I've smoked cigarettes, but I know you can.

01:48:18.000 Pick like the different strengths on the boxes, yeah, you get them, but um, and so I still think it's fairly standardized.

01:48:24.000 Um, but but in general, people are using nicotine products more, they are because they've become incredibly popular in conservative media, uh, in tech circles, in finance.

01:48:34.000 Like, there's um, I think, I think we would, yeah, we were talking about this on the way here, yeah, we were talking about this on the way here, um, um, and about that.

01:48:42.000 I mean, a lot of people are saying that there's like health benefits, and they'll, you know, they'll find some like stave off dementia or something like that.

01:48:49.000 Yeah, they'll find like some study that found a relationship and then they'll just like go to town and people love it because it's like a great justification.

01:48:56.000 Oh, you know, maybe there's a health benefit to this.

01:48:59.000 But I mean, overall, I mean, my philosophy is like people end up using, you know, caffeine or nicotine or cannabis.

01:49:07.000 They usually for a reason, you know, you have this feeling like I feel flat.

01:49:12.000 I don't have focus.

01:49:14.000 I don't have energy.

01:49:15.000 Like I need something so I can get through my work.

01:49:18.000 I did this as well.

01:49:20.000 I can talk about this problem so well because I had this problem because I used to drink it.

01:49:23.000 Heaps of coffee and use nicotine products.

01:49:27.000 But the question that you really need to be asking yourself is like, well, why do I have that problem?

01:49:32.000 You know, why is it that I'm having difficulty focusing?

01:49:35.000 You know, what, you know, is it the fact that I'm not sleeping?

01:49:38.000 You know, is it the fact that I never rest?

01:49:39.000 Is it the fact that, you know, I have a really busy work schedule and then when I have a break, you know, I just pull out my phone and just like bombard my eyes with like dopamine and bright lights so I never shift into a state of rest and then kind of like there all the time.

01:49:55.000 I mean, And so, you know, in a big meta way, you know, the caffeine, the nicotine, the cannabis, and also the psychiatric drug stuff that I do, it's all the same problem.

01:50:04.000 I mean, we need to be slowing down.

01:50:06.000 And before people reach for any kind of chemical to help themselves, like the doctor or the therapist or the professional, whoever it is, needs to really audit their life and just be like, hey, let's talk about what your life looks like that leads you to become so dependent and so craving of these things.

01:50:21.000 This is something that came up on the pre show, the Discord show.

01:50:23.000 I'd like to go to the next super chat too, but is it RFK is now leading a charge to pay doctors to de prescribe?

01:50:30.000 People of medicines.

01:50:31.000 I've never heard of anything like it ever in the history of medicine.

01:50:34.000 Fascinating.

01:50:35.000 I don't know if you know more about it than I do.

01:50:37.000 I just saw a tweet about it, but it's awesome.

01:50:39.000 They're actually incentivizing doctors to take people off of drugs now that they don't need.

01:50:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:45.000 There's billing codes to do that work, and there never was billing codes before.

01:50:49.000 It was just, you know, the economics of how mental health care works in the US is essentially that doctors, to make ends meet, really have to see four people in an hour.

01:51:03.000 And so, you know, when you have like.

01:51:05.000 Oh, that's why it's like you go to the doctor and it's 15 minutes?

01:51:09.000 Well, yeah.

01:51:09.000 Yeah.

01:51:10.000 So we talked about this in the pre show.

01:51:11.000 Let me go into it again.

01:51:12.000 So, back in the early 90s, healthcare insurance companies conglomerated.

01:51:17.000 And so they held all the patients and they could go to doctor groups and say, we're going to give you our patients.

01:51:23.000 You don't have to do any marketing at all.

01:51:25.000 You know, we're going to, these patients are going to be in network for you.

01:51:28.000 You have to see them at this rate.

01:51:29.000 And the doctor said, well, okay, well, we don't have to do the marketing.

01:51:32.000 Let's go with that.

01:51:34.000 And essentially, you have to see four patients in an hour to make ends meet.

01:51:38.000 And so that's why now doctors have panels of 2,000 people because, you know, when you're seeing four people an hour, just to fill it up, you have to have a huge panel.

01:51:48.000 Now, for something like mental health, that's complicated where you actually need to understand someone's relationships, you know, their work, their meaning and purpose, their health, the substances that they're using, you know, you can't understand that when you're looking after 2,000 people.

01:52:04.000 It's just impossible.

01:52:05.000 Like, maybe you could do that for like 200, 300 people if you're pretty good.

01:52:10.000 But at that big level, you can't.

01:52:13.000 And so what happens, Libby, is essentially you go and you see a doctor for seven minutes of FaceTime and they say, hey, fill out this nine question questionnaire thing here.

01:52:26.000 Okay, you have depression, take this medication.

01:52:29.000 And so that's why we have a overprescribing epidemic because that's all you can do in the limited time.

01:52:36.000 And Ian, what happened with Bobby recently was that there was never any billing codes to Do additional work to help people come off these medications.

01:52:45.000 And so now he's sort of smoothing that out.

01:52:47.000 And so something that takes more time to do than like just putting someone on a drug or prescribing a higher dose.

01:52:54.000 What do you mean there's billing codes to take people off?

01:52:56.000 What does that mean exactly?

01:52:58.000 Like you can, so when you're doing this work, you know, say there's some, you know, phone calls with respect to, you know, drug tapering or lowering the doses, you can now get reimbursed for that.

01:53:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:10.000 That's cool.

01:53:12.000 I do want to get this out because super, super cool.

01:53:16.000 Um, a super chat that we got in Tyler Taylor 891.

01:53:22.000 In Tim Cast fashion, my wonderful wife and I are in the hospital right now welcoming our third child, Stephen James.

01:53:32.000 Congratulations!

01:53:33.000 That's right, folks.

01:53:34.000 The Patriot population, Christ the Lord, by one. 0.71

01:53:38.000 Abby's a little annoying at first. 1.00

01:53:39.000 That's something that uh, that folks do.

01:53:41.000 I don't even know how we're gonna get into it.

01:53:43.000 What when you were going to the My Pillow ad, I was like, he's gonna use.

01:53:46.000 This to no, no, no, no.

01:53:48.000 I saw it there by the way.

01:53:49.000 I saw you highlight, I know I was gonna go to it.

01:53:51.000 I don't know how it started, but uh, you know, this is people keep coming in.

01:53:55.000 Wait a minute, actually, there are more.

01:53:57.000 I think we have another one more babies, yeah.

01:54:00.000 William Blackburn, in keeping with tradition, sending this message from my hospital after I think he means after my wife gave birth to our first child mere hours ago.

01:54:11.000 Macy, with a more loyal and loving companion, has no man been so blessed as I?

01:54:18.000 That's two babies.

01:54:19.000 Two patriots.

01:54:20.000 How good is that?

01:54:21.000 Macy.

01:54:22.000 We love this.

01:54:22.000 This is amazing.

01:54:23.000 Yeah, that's so cool.

01:54:24.000 Oh, my.

01:54:25.000 No, wait, guys, I'm wrong.

01:54:26.000 Guys, no, I lied.

01:54:27.000 Are they just.

01:54:28.000 Oh, they're trolling now.

01:54:29.000 I just trolled.

01:54:30.000 Another baby.

01:54:31.000 These are all paid.

01:54:31.000 No, these are paid.

01:54:33.000 And the names are different, so it's got to be real.

01:54:33.000 These are all paid.

01:54:36.000 This is one from Rebecca in keeping with tradition.

01:54:40.000 The McBride family proudly announces the birth of baby number five.

01:54:45.000 Let's go.

01:54:46.000 Wow.

01:54:46.000 Mom and baby girl are doing great.

01:54:48.000 That's just amazing.

01:54:49.000 Yes, those are Utah numbers right there.

01:54:51.000 Those are Utah numbers.

01:54:52.000 We love it.

01:54:53.000 We love it.

01:54:53.000 All right, I'm checking the super chat for more babies, everybody.

01:54:56.000 Yeah, and no, absolutely.

01:54:59.000 No, I think only three babies in one.

01:55:00.000 That's crazy.

01:55:01.000 Three baby night here.

01:55:02.000 That's good.

01:55:03.000 That's just incredible.

01:55:04.000 Three baby Tim Cass.

01:55:06.000 Three baby night.

01:55:07.000 That's that's wild.

01:55:08.000 And that's happy birthday, kids.

01:55:09.000 That's why we do what we do though, because we want to be a rebel, start a family, go have kids.

01:55:15.000 That's the most important, but also we want the world to be a better place for those children, we want our country to be a better place.

01:55:22.000 I had to get this one.

01:55:23.000 This is from Amos Moses.

01:55:25.000 Jack, I get the love of Pizza Hut, but where is the love for the KFC buffet?

01:55:30.000 I didn't know KFC had a buffet.

01:55:31.000 Did you guys?

01:55:32.000 I didn't know that either.

01:55:33.000 I also did not know that.

01:55:36.000 The town that I grew up in, in Corbin, Kentucky, is the birthplace of KFC.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 I don't remember any kind of buffet, but they do have a whole museum built into the original restaurant.

01:55:45.000 They got Colonel Sanders' suit, and they've got the original kitchen they used to make the original fried chicken in, and it's a whole thing.

01:55:50.000 It's a big deal in Corbin, Kentucky.

01:55:52.000 Now, does the chicken taste the same there as it does at the other KFCs?

01:55:55.000 When I was a kid, I don't think so.

01:55:57.000 Now it's probably the same.

01:55:58.000 Wow.

01:55:58.000 Yeah.

01:55:59.000 There are KFC buffets, though.

01:56:01.000 You can search for them.

01:56:03.000 There's not a lot of them, but they are scattered around the country.

01:56:06.000 Yeah, that's what it says.

01:56:07.000 They used to play style during the 80s and 90s, just randomly splattered around the country.

01:56:12.000 Well, again, it just wasn't as familiar, but had to shout out that since the first time I've been here, since the announcement came back, I think 80 Pizza Huts are now going to Pizza Hut Classic.

01:56:25.000 And as you guys may recall, I've been ranting and raving about Pizza Hut nationalism here on my show.

01:56:33.000 And then every time I come on this show for like five years now, it's become like an issue of importance for you. 0.63

01:56:40.000 Because it was in the COVID era, and I remember, and I had kids, and I said, You know, I want to take my kids to Pizza Hut and just have that, you know, memory and that experience that I had.

01:56:54.000 And this Pizza Hut, and it, man, it went so viral when I tweeted this out.

01:56:58.000 It was atrocious.

01:56:59.000 This thing was just a Pizza Hut and a Taco Bell mix.

01:57:02.000 It was, no, this one was like falling apart.

01:57:04.000 They, it was, so it had been reduced to, you could tell it was a formerly fully functioning Pizza Hut with, You know, the lights and video games and tables and all the rest of it.

01:57:14.000 But now it was basically just a DoorDash outlet and Uber Eats outlet.

01:57:18.000 And so you would see the drivers come in.

01:57:20.000 And so I walked in and said, Oh, no, we want to eat here.

01:57:22.000 And, you know, everyone was sort of looking at us like, Eat in the restaurant?

01:57:27.000 Yeah, I'm with my kid.

01:57:28.000 You know, I'd love to eat here.

01:57:30.000 They had no idea what I was talking about.

01:57:32.000 Eat what?

01:57:32.000 Wow.

01:57:33.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:57:34.000 Eat.

01:57:34.000 You know, and there were like boxes all over the tables and things like this that it just, it was just totally beyond air.

01:57:40.000 That happened during COVID.

01:57:41.000 You'd go into a restaurant and like, they're reasoning.

01:57:43.000 You couldn't eat anywhere.

01:57:45.000 Because it was all covered with boxes.

01:57:46.000 And I was like, I just want to eat here.

01:57:46.000 Right.

01:57:48.000 Is that okay?

01:57:50.000 And I tweeted about it, and it just started this whole internet phenomenon that went far beyond me that people kept saying, Yeah, why don't we have things like this anymore?

01:58:02.000 And sort of like mid level, comfortable family restaurant where you could go in and it's got like an interesting atmosphere.

01:58:07.000 I used to go to Pizza Huts with my family when I was a kid.

01:58:10.000 It was great.

01:58:10.000 And they had the Book It program.

01:58:11.000 So they need to bring back the Book It program.

01:58:13.000 This is the other Book It program?

01:58:14.000 No, the Book It program was.

01:58:17.000 If it was this card, it was like a circular card that you would get, and then you had to, and you got stickers for reading, I think it was five, right?

01:58:25.000 You had to read five books.

01:58:27.000 And if you read five books and got it signed off by your teacher and brought it back in, free personal pan pizza as a kid.

01:58:32.000 Wow.

01:58:33.000 It's just a delicious pound to book.

01:58:35.000 Now you're going to eat pizza.

01:58:37.000 Book it.

01:58:38.000 And then you could read it here.

01:58:39.000 It makes me think of the dough.

01:58:40.000 Read your next book while you're sitting there. 0.99

01:58:42.000 Hey, if they could convert Pizza Hut and upgrade it to do like the finest artisanal dough with just delicious homemade sauce, because that high fructose crap out of my face. 0.82

01:58:51.000 But, like, it's a brand that's primed for delicious, phenomenal, mind bending pizza. 0.86

01:58:56.000 Do it.

01:58:56.000 No, and it's something where, too, that people have said, like, oh, well, America has, you know, is having fewer kids.

01:59:04.000 Americans are having fewer kids, and people are working harder, et cetera.

01:59:08.000 But I think that, you know, as we move towards, and hopefully, you know, part of what I do, what Libby, what you're talking about, hopefully, what all of us are talking about, we want to go back to that family friendly country that America used to be.

01:59:22.000 That you have to create the conditions for a pro family environment as well.

01:59:29.000 And so, Pizza Hut nationalism, it's not about, you know, it's not about Pizza Hut, right?

01:59:34.000 But it is about Pizza Hut.

01:59:35.000 And, you know, it's also like the McDonald's that used to always have the outdoor playgrounds, like the big outdoor playgrounds.

01:59:42.000 Until there started being like poop in them.

01:59:44.000 You just don't see them anymore.

01:59:46.000 They said, well, we don't make money off of that, you know?

01:59:48.000 But I can remember, I can remember going to those and, you know, my mom with my brother and my mom would get, you know, some Happy Meals and we'd run around like crazy.

01:59:58.000 And then she could just get, Relax, you know, whatever.

02:00:01.000 And then we go back, and it was great.

02:00:03.000 It was just great.

02:00:04.000 It's just a great country that we used to have.

02:00:07.000 And we're getting a little bit of that back.

02:00:08.000 We're making America great again.

02:00:10.000 Yay.

02:00:10.000 All right, let's go around the horn because I think we're getting right to our two hour mark.

02:00:16.000 So I want to hold people over.

02:00:18.000 But for folks who haven't gone to the subscriber side and want to hear about it, this is going to be a good one because Libby, are we doing it?

02:00:25.000 Yeah, let's do it.

02:00:26.000 We are getting into the Chud the Builder story. 1.00

02:00:31.000 Oh, yes. 0.98

02:00:32.000 And I did not ask Tim's permission about this one.

02:00:35.000 So, all right.

02:00:36.000 We are just doing it.

02:00:39.000 This is a shooting.

02:00:40.000 Is it a good shooting?

02:00:41.000 Is it a bad shooting?

02:00:42.000 He is known for making extremely provocative videos.

02:00:48.000 Some might even say harassing, but we are going to look at this story from a legal perspective.

02:00:53.000 So, that's going to be there.

02:00:54.000 Let's go around the horn.

02:00:55.000 I'm excited for it.

02:00:56.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:00:57.000 Find me on the internet at Ian Crossland and go to graphene.movie.

02:01:00.000 If you haven't been over there yet, sign up for the mailing list.

02:01:02.000 We have a documentary coming out.

02:01:03.000 It's been in.

02:01:04.000 Post production for a while now.

02:01:05.000 I think the 6'7 Kevin worked on it with Andreas Exertus.

02:01:09.000 Love 6'7 Kevin.

02:01:10.000 Love that man.

02:01:11.000 I love that man.

02:01:12.000 Higher energy, lovable guy.

02:01:14.000 We went down to Rice University and it's scientist.

02:01:17.000 He like preempted the 6'7 meme.

02:01:18.000 He did.

02:01:19.000 On the pulse.

02:01:19.000 He totally did.

02:01:20.000 So believe it.

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02:01:25.000 Follow me at Ian Crossland, Libby Evans.

02:01:27.000 I'm Libby Evans, and I invite you to check out my podcast, The Pod Millennial.

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02:02:01.000 And I'm on all social media platforms under Dr. Joseph.

02:02:05.000 So that's J O S E F. Not PH and talk about psychiatric meds.

02:02:12.000 I really got to do a double shout for 6'7 Kevin.

02:02:14.000 I love that guy.

02:02:15.000 He's a friend of mine.

02:02:16.000 We were hanging out once and I was just like, you have to meet my kids.

02:02:18.000 Okay.

02:02:19.000 And I was like, I went to the kids.

02:02:19.000 I was like, you guys want to meet a giant?

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 They're like, whoa.

02:02:24.000 They just couldn't even speak because he's like so tall.

02:02:26.000 They loved it.

02:02:26.000 It was a great experience.

02:02:27.000 Love Kevin.

02:02:28.000 Chris Carr, 17 on X. Check out my Substack, chriscar.substack.com.

02:02:32.000 That's car with a K, K A R R, where I write about film and interesting people.

02:02:36.000 No, he's a great guy. 0.99

02:02:37.000 He helped us out a lot in, uh, In Arizona.

02:02:40.000 He was there for a number of things, especially when we need him.

02:02:43.000 So huge shout out to that man.

02:02:44.000 So fun.

02:02:45.000 For sure.

02:02:46.000 And I just, such a good man.

02:02:46.000 I just bought a movie with him.

02:02:48.000 He did Sin Frontera for Timcast also.

02:02:50.000 Nice.

02:02:51.000 Great hit.

02:02:52.000 Six, seven is the best.

02:02:54.000 You can find me at Carter Banks everywhere.

02:02:56.000 I want to give a shout out to my brother who was born on this day in like 1995.

02:03:02.000 So it's his birthday as well.

02:03:04.000 Oh, I had a birthday today in the chat.

02:03:06.000 You share it with my brother.

02:03:08.000 Happy birthday, man.

02:03:10.000 I'll throw out it's my dad's birthday tomorrow.

02:03:12.000 It's my mom's birthday next week.

02:03:13.000 Hey, happy birthday.

02:03:14.000 Happy birthday.

02:03:15.000 My son's birthday last week.

02:03:16.000 So it's the 14th, the 21st, and the 28th are all family birthdays in May for me, which of course was planned.

02:03:23.000 It was all God's plan.

02:03:24.000 All right, folks.

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02:03:37.000 Stay tuned because our three is going to be very spicy. 0.64

02:03:42.000 When Obama's

02:06:14.000 prime minister.

02:06:16.000 And so he would put a lot of funding into it.

02:06:18.000 And it was just a lot of fun.

02:06:21.000 I want to leave the aftershelf with a question I got for you guys.

02:06:24.000 Okay.

02:06:25.000 Let me get us in the room here.

02:06:29.000 All right.

02:06:29.000 Let's get it running.

02:06:30.000 But then I do want to get into the judges.

02:06:32.000 It'll be real quick.

02:06:33.000 I want to talk about Chud.

02:06:34.000 I do want to talk about Chud.

02:06:35.000 I do want to talk about Chud.

02:06:36.000 I just got to make sure they can answer.

02:06:36.000 We are talking about Chud.

02:06:38.000 I'll tell you.

02:06:39.000 No, I'll do it peripherally.

02:06:40.000 So I'm going to have to catch up to.

02:06:41.000 No, I'll explain it.

02:06:42.000 I'll explain it.

02:06:43.000 A question off topic is do they call it draining the lizard? 0.99

02:06:46.000 Because the penis looks like a one eyed venomous snake. 0.96

02:06:49.000 That's like, why are they called draining the lizard? 1.00

02:06:52.000 Oh man.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, that's the response I expected.

02:06:56.000 I mean, no one knows.

02:06:57.000 I gotta get away with you.

02:06:58.000 Draining the lizard.

02:06:59.000 Do you call it draining the lizard?

02:07:00.000 Seriously, I thought it was draining the snake.

02:07:04.000 main vein.

02:07:05.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

02:07:06.000 I don't know.

02:07:06.000 Yeah.

02:07:07.000 The one eyed. 0.92

02:07:08.000 Because the venomous snakes have the vertical eyes.

02:07:11.000 The other ones are round, I think.

02:07:13.000 More than one eye, though, right?

02:07:15.000 Yeah, they do.

02:07:18.000 I'm a little lost.

02:07:20.000 Anyway, that's the end of the show.

02:07:21.000 Have a great night, bro. 0.98

02:07:23.000 Let's get fucking real. 0.98

02:07:25.000 And get, yeah, everybody drive safe out there. 0.98

02:07:27.000 Don't be taking too many cannabinoids.

02:07:30.000 It goes up a little bit.

02:07:31.000 29%, 5% or 5% max, all right, on your THC, folks.

02:07:35.000 I'm not going to say some of the things Chud the Builder said, but tell me. 0.67

02:07:38.000 Okay, so, so, so, so, right. 1.00

02:07:43.000 This motherfucker walked up to a dude. 1.00

02:07:45.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 1.00

02:07:48.000 Going to, and this is the show where we can talk about vaccines, right?

02:07:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:53.000 So now, now all the rules are gone.

02:07:54.000 Now, all the rules are gone.

02:07:55.000 Imagine it will all still get screen capped and put somewhere.

02:07:58.000 Yeah, it could still be, yeah, it could still be capped, but yeah.

02:08:01.000 So, all right, so here we go.

02:08:03.000 Here we go. 0.56

02:08:04.000 So, Chud the Builder is a white man, um, end time story who, yeah, it is.

02:08:13.000 Uh, his name is Dalton Etherly, uh, live streamer, and he is known as.

02:08:22.000 And this is just a CNN article, you know.

02:08:24.000 So, of course, it's, you know, it's going to be, you know, very anti that he, okay, okay, known as a popular live streamer and notorious and someone who's known for posting quote unquote racist content.

02:08:37.000 And wow, it just really gets into this. 0.99

02:08:42.000 It's like a, okay, this article is stupid. 0.99

02:08:44.000 This article, yeah, yeah, this article is terrible. 1.00

02:08:47.000 He's, I'll just say it, he's kind of known for this.

02:08:49.000 He's kind of known for going up to people on TikTok and, Um, and you know, specifically black people, and saying the n word and then filming their reaction like that's kind of the I mean, we could play that's that's kind of this.

02:09:08.000 This is Wikipedia, which of course is you know going to be terrible.

02:09:11.000 So he's from Clarksville, Tennessee.

02:09:14.000 Um, he's been active 2025 to 2026.

02:09:17.000 Has he been doing the same thing the whole time?

02:09:19.000 Pretty much, yeah.

02:09:21.000 Pretty much, he describes himself as a free speech patriot.

02:09:27.000 Uh, let's see, let's see, let's see.

02:09:28.000 So he was suspended from kick a while back.

02:09:31.000 That's pretty tough to do.

02:09:33.000 For doing this.

02:09:38.000 And it's basically the, you know, it's basically that's, you know, that's it in a nutshell.

02:09:43.000 And let's see.

02:09:46.000 So this is, all right, this is what happened on May 13th.

02:09:53.000 So about one week ago today.

02:09:55.000 So, and that's just a Wikipedia article.

02:09:56.000 So it's, you know, You know, potentially biased as well.

02:10:01.000 It says on the afternoon of May 13th, easily was scheduled to appear in Montgomery County Court.

02:10:06.000 It's also in Tennessee, right?

02:10:07.000 Yeah, all this is in Tennessee.

02:10:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:10:08.000 Over an alleged debt that was owed to a credit company.

02:10:11.000 Outside the courthouse, he became involved in an altercation with a black man identified as Joshua Fox.

02:10:18.000 During the confrontation, Etherly allegedly drew a handgun from his jacket pocket and fired multiple shots at Fox.

02:10:26.000 Reports also stated that Etherly accidentally shot himself in the arm during the incident.

02:10:30.000 Police responded to the scene.

02:10:32.000 Etherly was arrested and charged with attempted murder, employing a firearm, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, as Bailey said at $1.25 million.

02:10:39.000 Following the live stream, Etherly live streamed himself talking with first responders, during which he claimed.

02:10:46.000 That he had been assaulted by Fox and acted in self defense.

02:10:50.000 So, did you just have some?

02:10:51.000 Does he just have someone just like filming him live, like as he goes about his day?

02:10:55.000 I think he films himself.

02:10:56.000 Yeah, it's kind of like this.

02:10:57.000 Yeah, I think you see him like you find a video.

02:10:59.000 Yeah.

02:11:00.000 It says he set up a Give Sango fundraiser after he lost employment, has raised over $150,000 as of May 15th.

02:11:10.000 Apparently, there's a meme coin.

02:11:12.000 And so, the real question here, and With just as with any of these cases, though, goes into you know, and this isn't about his conduct in terms of his, um, you know, his online postings.

02:11:30.000 I personally don't like that kind of content where you're just going up to someone and provoking them.

02:11:34.000 I think it's a little much and then filming the reaction, regardless of what you're saying.

02:11:38.000 Yeah, I just don't like that kind of content.

02:11:40.000 I don't personally like it.

02:11:41.000 Um, I think it's very cheap.

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