On this week's show, we have a special guest, Seamus Coglin, who fills in for our friend Tim Poole, who's feeling sick right now. We discuss the DOJ's investigation into the Antifa riots in Chicago, the Trump administration's 50-year mortgage probe, and much, much more.
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00:08:00.000So the DOJ launches a federal probe after Antifa militants riot at TPUSA Berkeley event honoring Charlie Kirk.
00:08:07.000Again, this is an event honoring the life of a man who was murdered by left-wing radicals.
00:08:12.000We shouldn't be surprised that left-wing radicals protested it.
00:08:14.000That's apparently what time it is in the United States right now.
00:08:17.000The U.S. Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.
00:08:21.000Harmee Dylan announced on Tuesday that an investigation has been launched into a violent attack against individuals attending a turning point USA event at UC Berkeley, perpetuated by the designated terrorist group Antifa.
00:08:33.000The FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force is also investigating the incident, according to the Justice Department.
00:08:39.000So this comes from the post-millennial.
00:08:42.000Yesterday on the show, we covered this as breaking news as we saw them doing this.
00:08:46.000Unfortunately, Antifa violently rioting and attacking people who are trying to peacefully espouse their values has become a bit banal at this point.
00:08:54.000We're so used to it that it's hard to even comment on it anymore without sounding like broken records.
00:08:58.000But nonetheless, you know, sometimes you beat a dead horse.
00:09:01.000Sometimes that dead horse needs to get its butt kicked.
00:09:03.000So let's talk about that, what these people are doing, what needs to be done about this, and why it hasn't been done if it hasn't.
00:09:12.000Have you seen at the protests that they're showing up in front of the ICE facilities and they have all these like blow-up suits of the cartoon?
00:09:34.000The idea of the like mask wearing little ninja, you know, with the hood on and they're running around and starting fires and causing all these problems.
00:09:43.000That's the image that Antifa burned into people's brains.
00:09:47.000So they basically burn into people's brains that they're a like a revolutionary anarchal group that's there to damage property, destroy things, and perhaps even carry out incentives for political assassination.
00:10:01.000And so, you know, this kind of move to try to change by being more kid-friendly in this and that, that actually is hurting them more than anything else.
00:10:11.000And let me, I'll give you my reasoning.
00:10:13.000The No Kings Day riots, what a disappointment.
00:11:12.000So look, the point that they're, the point of what they're doing is they want to mock the establishment, right?
00:11:19.000So if they, and I saw this, I forget where the book was, but it was, it was one of the essential, like essentially the handbooks of how you should conduct basically counters.
00:11:51.000Then the propaganda they can put out is: look, we're just out here being silly, having fun, protesting the authoritarians, blah, blah, blah.
00:11:59.000You don't see that the guy that was in the blow-up suit was just hurling Moltov cocktails, right?
00:12:04.000You don't see that he was just throwing bricks at police.
00:12:07.000You don't, I mean, whatever the violent action that he just took, the point is they want people to see pictures of a silly-looking guy getting wrapped up by militant police.
00:12:34.000And one of the reasons they change uniforms is because if there might be imagery associated with a certain uniform that brings bad thoughts in the American public or in people abroad, they switch the lookout, right?
00:13:19.000Go out and just do all this number when they're arresting them.
00:13:22.000Even better, dude, like one of those Power Ranger mecha suits where they all combine together and then they just have a giant net and they're able to snoop.
00:13:30.000Just don't wear the White Power Ranger outfit.
00:13:36.000You mentioned this, how we have certain psychological attachments to specific images and firearms.
00:13:42.000This is one of the reasons that we knew that Biden leaving all of our weapons in Afghanistan was pure incompetence because if they wanted to arm them, they would have given them AKs so that people thought the Russians did it or they didn't look too deeply into where the weapons came from.
00:13:54.000They would never intentionally give them American M4s ever.
00:14:26.000And a lot of them, like during the day, because Andrew was covering this live on the crucible, and during the daytime, they were doing like a whole Rainbow Skittles parade, topless.
00:14:35.000There was guys with their banana hammocks out in front of kids and everything else.
00:14:39.000So they always have to throw that in too.
00:14:41.000They always got to make it into something, you know, Skittles and rainbows and on top of everything.
00:15:41.000Feminists frequently get really upset because they'll be like, hey, this is an issue about women.
00:15:46.000And then some other part of the left will slide in.
00:15:50.000Feminists are like, no, no, this is about effing women.
00:15:54.000Why are you, you know, blah, blah, blah, which is part of, that's why you see the schism between trans people and actual radio and stuff like that.
00:16:12.000Well, but this is also, I think another part of the reason that you always see the pride flags there is because they know that they have to warp people and make them sexually perverted in order to blind them so that they'll go along with their agenda, sin dulls the intellect.
00:16:26.000And when you say, I'm going to take the most intimate part of who I am and orient that towards short-term pleasure instead of the logos, what is reasonable, what God actually created me to do, you become a perfect slave.
00:16:36.000And so that iconography is always going to follow these movements.
00:16:39.000And we know historically, when you have sexual revolutions, you almost always end up with very intense violence because when people stop restraining their passions, first their lustful passions, they stop restraining their wrath.
00:16:50.000And that's the step that we're on right now.
00:16:59.000When you're talking about the t-los for teleology or moving out of it and into the passions, one always leads to the next, to the next, to the next.
00:17:07.000But I do think what you're seeing right now is the formation of these groups are now getting a lot of pressure on them, especially from the Trump administration.
00:17:16.000The move to call them domestic terrorists gives the Trump administration a huge amount of leverage to start using law enforcement in very creative ways and military assets in very creative ways.
00:17:27.000So do you think they're actually going to do anything about this?
00:17:35.000I think that this push now, the recruitment push and the image change push, is because they're terrified that now Trump may be able to use much better LEO resources to go after them after them being kind of labeled domestic terrorists and that getting into the public consciousness.
00:17:52.000Yeah, because whenever there's a Democrat administration in place, these people are pictured as heroes, right?
00:18:19.000There's usually like, you know, I keep on bringing it back to the European ones, but it's just interesting when you see them all around.
00:18:23.000I saw another one in Serbia, and the government, there was a big protest going on in Belgrade, you guys might have seen over the past few months.
00:18:30.000And the government was paying for a whole entire encampment of protesters across the road from the parliament building.
00:18:37.000And we walked past it and we were just looking, and they were all just completely paid protesters.
00:18:40.000And it makes me wonder every time I see a big European sort of revolution like this, is it a color revolution?
00:18:47.000Well, I mean, the great myth is that revolutions occur because at the grassroots, foreign working class people decided that the revolution needed to happen.
00:18:56.000It's virtually always either wealthy or upper middle class people who start agitating and then they try to use their influence to get people beneath them in social circumstances.
00:19:06.000Yeah, hasn't the status really been the historic status that it's elites who want to move to the next step in power that are often going down to the rabble and telling them about how that guy over there, he's eating way too much of their steak.
00:19:21.000Well, there's a massive one on his plate as well.
00:19:24.000That's 90% of what my research is about, is about how social movements are not grassroots.
00:19:30.000They're almost always social engineering from the top down.
00:19:32.000A good example of what Jake was talking about with those European protests and like Gloria Steinem was first recruited by the CIA out of Smith College to go to Europe and go to these youth festivals and promote feminist propaganda.
00:19:48.000It's almost always bought and paid for.
00:19:50.000It's almost never in these Christian European countries.
00:19:52.000We were just talking about this the other day.
00:19:53.000We were talking about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and about how Pol Pot, the Mr. Mythology of it is that they were guerrilla warfare fighters, the Khmer Rouge, and they were banished out to the hills for a very long time.
00:20:41.000It's just that now the idea of stodgy intellectualism is like, well, that's boring and stupid and we hate it.
00:20:48.000And I don't blame, but I think intellectualism itself can be presented in a different way than the, well, that type of thing.
00:20:57.000But that's what Pol Pot was worried about, right?
00:21:00.000He was worried about educated people being able to push back against anybody with glasses, anybody with an education, anybody who had any standing in society, they just killed them.
00:21:28.000I also have the time and resources to study and learn things that your average person can't, so I can help direct society in a positive direction.
00:21:35.000But intellectualism does not have that same status that it used to among people because we know the intellectual class does not care about us and hasn't cared about us.
00:22:11.000And I just got to say, all the teachers that I ever had in school growing up or through college, the best ones I ever had were all people who spent time in the private sector.
00:22:19.000They all knew way more about the subject matter that they were teaching than the ones that hadn't.
00:22:26.000The way that this happens, the way that institutional capture happens is, I have an article about this on my sub stack actually with tons of examples and citations.
00:22:35.000You get big foundations with tons of money, like the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation.
00:22:44.000And what they do is they find kind of like radical academics who are going to push the agenda they want.
00:22:49.000They'll create a position for that person or a scholarship for that person and get them seated in an institution with a lot of influence under the contract that you're going to push this agenda that we want.
00:23:08.000Human systems are easier to manipulate in a certain respect than a lot of people think.
00:23:14.000And one of the things I've got this buddy Arn McIntyre, and he's been on the show a couple of times, but what he points out very often, and I think correctly so, is that democracies essentially just ruled by mass media.
00:23:24.000You can simplify these things in a way that helps you understand it's not just this needlessly abstract and complex system.
00:23:30.000There's like buttons that you can push very easily.
00:23:34.000You just get some people with the right funding to create a specific scholarship or position at a university to put some Marxist theorists that you like in there.
00:23:42.000All of a sudden, you've reshaped the minds of literally hundreds, even thousands of students.
00:23:50.000There's a capability crisis, also, a capability crisis, and that's getting worse and worse and worse.
00:23:55.000So, an easy example: the last time you went and got a fast food burger, you know exactly what I'm talking about with a capability crisis, okay?
00:24:04.000And but it's all sectors of society you'll find this in.
00:24:07.000By the way, you can't show yourself at a drive-thru after the show ends because they'll know that you said that.
00:24:14.000Let me ask you, but let me ask you a question.
00:24:16.000Let's say that you happen to be a capable individual, and just because you're just a little bit more capable than most of the people around you, you're able to subvert an entire institution because it's not that hard.
00:24:29.000Systems over time, they become kind of decadent, and the rules and processes become more important than the spirit of what those rules and processes were there for.
00:24:39.000And when you just get a slightly capable person in there, they can easily bend an entire institution to their will.
00:25:02.000And so it seems to me like, you know, Marxists also, they were masters of this, masters of going into institutions that had these kind of sort of rigid rules that had lost the spirit of what the rules were there for.
00:25:14.000And they just weaponized them, took them over quickly and went, well, we're the most capable.
00:25:42.000Yeah, now we're in a position where I've talked about this a lot, but we're in a position where Americanism and the ideas behind the founding are being weaponized against us, against America.
00:25:53.000This idea that anyone can come here and be American.
00:25:56.000And to be American means that you can be a Hindu socialist and become mayor of one of our major cities or something like that.
00:26:14.000The idea that anyone can come here and be an American was totally refuted with the Iraq war, right?
00:26:21.000The idea that we could go into Iraq, we could install Jeffersonian democracy, and they would love it, and they would automatically turn into Republic-loving Americans was proven definitively wrong.
00:26:35.000The idea that you can take people from societies like that, bring them to the United States, and they will then become Jefferson, you know, lovers of Jeffersonian democracy.
00:26:46.000They will automatically love our liberal, you know, liberal society.
00:27:14.000These places are like, if you would have told, I was 21 years old when 9-11 happened.
00:27:21.000And if you would have told me then in the aftermath of 9-11, for those of us Gen Xers and older who really remember that time period of the whole country for the only time, you know, in the last 25 years, we're all like really united around this idea of like proud to be an American and defending our country.
00:27:38.000And like, we're going to get whoever did this kind of thing.
00:27:40.000If you would have told me then that 25 years later we're going to elect a socialist Muslim mayor of that same city that just went through 9-11, I would have never believed you.
00:27:52.000I would have found it impossible to believe at the time.
00:27:54.000There were actually public opinion polls that showed that people began viewing Islam more favorably after 9-11.
00:28:00.000A large part of that was because there was this massive push by the institutions to say that we should really feel bad for victims of Islamophobia.
00:28:07.000But it's always hilarious because you can poke holes in these ways of thinking so easily.
00:28:12.000They'll say, well, you know, 9-11 happened, but then innocent, peaceful Muslims who didn't do anything wrong got blamed.
00:29:37.000Feminists are out there in the streets saying, mass migration, you know, immigrants are welcome here.
00:29:42.000And then they get over there and all of the immigrants are like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, feminism, cool.
00:29:46.000And it's like, they actually think, these liberals, that these people will arrive on the shores of England or America and they will all of a sudden realize their internal yearnings for democracy.
00:30:11.000But if progressives are the ones advocating that we bring in more, then they will vote along those party lines to get their cousins in and to get their fathers in and to get their brother husbands.
00:31:15.000I was listening to Darrell Cooper's podcast, The Fear and Loathing of the New Jerusalem.
00:31:19.000And he made a really good point that we, like you said, Seamus, we are atomized sort of people and we don't really have this unbroken line.
00:31:27.000But if you go to speak to those guys and you ask them who they are, you'll have to take a seat because father is this person from this place, third of my line, whatever it is.
00:31:36.000But you tell us, and we're like, you know, I'm Jay, Cody YouTube channel.
00:31:41.000We don't really know who we are anymore and where we come from.
00:31:44.000I think it's all because of a world of World War II.
00:31:50.000Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right.
00:31:51.000And one more thing I'll mention about this is you pointed out the fact that obviously Islam is incompatible with progressive ideologies and they hate progressives.
00:31:59.000And I think there's a certain kind of progressive on the ground who's a young, dumb, starry-eyed person who doesn't see that incompatibility, or they think that Muslims are going to be grateful to them or agree with them.
00:32:09.000But the true believers at the top know Muslims hate them and want to kill them and they don't care because they're fundamentally suicidal.
00:32:15.000And they also know that Muslims want to kill Christians and that's enough for them, basically.
00:32:18.000If you will attack Christians with them, then you are their ally because that's their ultimate goal.
00:32:24.000I think that there's a, I think that you're right to a degree, but I do think that at the end of the day, they think that their worldview can essentially think that they can force their will on Islam.
00:32:40.000I think it's ridiculous to think that, but I think that the people that people that want to see the U.S. like torn down, I think they believe that once you, because the way that the left looks at the U.S. and Western society is they see all the bad things and they say, if we just tear it down, all of the good things will remain.
00:32:59.000We tear things down, not because they're just looking to destroy the society.
00:33:10.000It's to destroy as well as to prop up, right?
00:33:14.000But maybe there's an easier explanation for it.
00:33:17.000Maybe it's just that the same way that Christians no longer think in terms of identity for cross-generational planning, maybe progressives really don't anymore either.
00:33:27.000And they're looking at the here and now, just like most of Western society, we have, and if you look at the way Western society is set up, even in democracy, it's this way, right?
00:33:51.000And it's like, maybe progressives don't really have one.
00:33:54.000Maybe their plan right now is just this looks like it's inequality and we need to put a stop to it.
00:33:59.000And the people they're bringing in, though, are capable of that.
00:34:02.000So do you think that the system that the kind of liberal democracies that we live in, do you think that those are a cause of the atomized individuals?
00:34:30.000And when left to their own devices, under the Articles of Confederation, the states didn't trust the electorate.
00:34:35.000Yeah, but to your point, and I want to make this, I want to articulate this so that way people listening can at least think of it through this way, right?
00:34:42.000People will swear up and down that it's super important that everybody has the right to vote, right?
00:35:07.000You're amazed that they can drive a car, you know, that they can do simple things.
00:35:12.000If you can't fathom these people managing their day-to-day life, why on earth do you want them to be?
00:35:18.000Well, if you don't trust a person's wise enough to be the president of the United States until they're 35, why do you trust a person to be wise enough to vote for them until they're 35?
00:35:25.000You don't even think women can pick who they want to date until they're 25 because they're francological.
00:35:43.000Well, let's just say what's true is that the reason we have universal suffrage is not because anybody thought that was the best idea.
00:35:50.000That was put into place because then all that elections become and all that democracy becomes is a big dog and pony show where it's just propaganda.
00:36:00.000It's just who has the most money and the most ads.
00:36:02.000Well, it becomes a shadow front for like what the real government is.
00:36:07.000We've been talking about the deep state since 2016.
00:36:10.000And as long as you have one person, one vote, and you're bussing in illegal people or dead people are voting and all these other crazy things, it just creates like a fog of war where the people who are really running things behind the scenes can get away with murder and do whatever they want.
00:36:25.000And to take a page from my old libertarian days when I was younger, as Hans Hermann Hoppe would say, democracy always tends towards the franchise being universalized over time.
00:36:38.000Honestly, just learning a bit more about the Catholic faith did, but I'll mention this too, because we've said a couple things about the fact that universal voting obviously isn't a great idea.
00:36:49.000The founders didn't think it was a great idea.
00:36:52.000We essentially have a system that's set up in such a way where if a problem needs to be solved and the solution is going to involve short-term pain and take more than four years to solve, then you can't solve it.
00:37:04.000But thank goodness none of our problems can be described that way.
00:37:08.000Like, thank goodness, no serious issue in the world takes more than four years to deal with.
00:37:11.000All the things which are perceived as strengths we are now seeing in modernity are really big detriments.
00:37:18.000Like checks and balances, for instance, that slows the government to such a slog and crawl that nothing gets done when it's important that it does.
00:37:30.000We have a government shutdown right now, for instance, right?
00:37:34.000All slogged in partisan politics, right?
00:37:37.000Checks and balances preventing anything from being done about this.
00:37:41.000And it's because the distrust was so high that they'd rather see the government doing nothing than anything.
00:38:26.000I was just talking to them upstairs about how I've got a friend who's in the South Korean military and they are literally finding South Korean specimen men who are above six feet tall and they are paying them good money for their for their load, basically to go and try and repopulate, to try and create what we were calling the Uber Korean.
00:38:46.000Imagine if there was just a system set up where men and women created children together.
00:38:51.000Imagine if there was just a way to do that.
00:38:53.000Imagine people got married and all on this, on this.
00:38:57.000But what would a politician realistically do, right?
00:38:59.000If you're going to be campaigning, are you going to come out and say, all right, ladies, back to the kitchen, back to the kitchen.
00:39:16.000Or even better, you have to pander to that, to that vote, right?
00:39:21.000So now, unfortunately, that block gets to control whether or not you get any power or not anyway.
00:39:27.000And so even if it's necessary that you need to move something in society that moves you towards birth rates, if it disaffects any tiny block that could be the swing block for your vote, that pandering completely destroys your ability to make any of those movements happen.
00:39:43.000And so it's like, for all the goods that you can point to, man, there sure are a lot of bads.
00:39:49.000Well, speaking of bad things that are going on in the world, White House officials are even acknowledging that they're unhappy about the 50-year mortgage idea released by top housing official sources.
00:40:01.000A proposal for a 50-year mortgage wasn't fully vetted by top Trump administration officials and wasn't ready to be made public, sources told CBS News, you don't say.
00:40:11.000Over the weekend, top federal housing official Bill Poult floated the idea with President Trump and then approved a truth social post.
00:40:19.000Some Trump officials this week vented their frustration with him over the new over the move.
00:40:24.000One source said Mr. Trump was lukewarm about the suggestion and announced it.
00:41:26.000And then in 20 years, it really won't be.
00:41:28.000And in 25 years, it won't seem like it's shit.
00:41:30.000And everybody else will be paying $10,000 a month for their mortgage and you're at this fixed rate, right?
00:41:36.000Then what you can do is you can pay that house off extremely quickly because you're at a fixed rate.
00:41:41.000So these 50 years fixed, it is possible.
00:41:44.000Now, I haven't crunched the math because I only just now started looking at this.
00:41:48.000I understand you're going to be paying a shitload more interest and things like this.
00:41:51.000But if it's the case that you're looking at long-term planning for paying off your house quickly and you're banking on inflation, it could actually be a great idea so that young people can get houses now at a more affordable rate and pay them off way quicker after 10 years if you're banking on inflation.
00:42:08.000And you should be banking on inflation.
00:42:18.000Let's create a band-aid fix that makes us feel better about it and at least kind of guards against inflation a little bit.
00:42:24.000And it's like, how about we just don't do more actual usury on top of this ridiculous system that we have that does create perpetual cycles of boom and bust and perpetual inflation?
00:42:36.000Like these things can't go on forever.
00:42:38.000And we've been saying this my whole lifetime that this system needs to change, that the debt-based economy needs to change, that the central banking stuff needs to go.
00:42:50.000I feel like everybody really wants the underlying problems to be fixed.
00:42:53.000And they see this as just like a very goofy, like, oh, yeah, sure.
00:42:57.000Let me just pay more than double what this house is actually worth.
00:43:01.000Well, it's actually, I think what the 50-year fix is much closer to like triple.
00:43:05.000Well, and this is the concern about it is even though you're right that some people over the term of the mortgage will be able to get a better payment because it's fixed than because, of course, over 50 years and inflation is going to just be completely out of control.
00:43:17.000The issue, though, is that as soon as the average person's buying power increases because they can get a 50-year mortgage, the cost of housing is just going to continue to increase.
00:43:28.000So they're trying to prevent the market correction with this, I think.
00:43:30.000And it's a correction that just has to happen if young people are ever going to be able to buy homes.
00:43:33.000I mean, the cost of housing is going to increase anyway.
00:44:43.000Well, and if you want to control for birth rates and you want to control for family units, the idea that young people need to be able to buy a home, tantamount.
00:45:00.000But I'm going to at least look first before I ditch it at a silver lining.
00:45:04.000If you're looking at the fact that we know for sure Trump's only going to be there for a few more years, we can expect there's going to be more Democrat presidents who come in, more Democrat organizations.
00:45:14.000They're going to do these massive welfare gimme-gimmies.
00:45:17.000And that's going to increase the flow of money supply, therefore increase inflation, right?
00:45:23.000If that's the case, you're going to have to Kamala's idea of just more housing projects.
00:45:27.000Yeah, when you buy houses, don't you want to be in a market where you know that there's going to be inflation if you have a fixed rate?
00:45:47.000I mean, you were talking about the birth rates.
00:45:49.000Like, as much as the cultural issues and everything are a massive contributor, it's also urbanization.
00:45:54.000You go to places like Japan and South Korea who have the lowest birth rates in the world, go to Tokyo or go to Seoul, and they're crammed in to tiny little one-bedroom apartments like this.
00:46:21.000Bro, I got to make a TikTok where I'm like, I don't have a rescue dog, huh?
00:46:24.000Like, I don't have to take care of a little animal.
00:46:26.000Like, oh, this is my rescue dog free life.
00:46:28.000I don't have to wake up in the morning to take him outside.
00:46:31.000If you ever did that, people would lose their minds.
00:46:33.000But if you do the exact same thing about having children, they go, you go, girl.
00:46:36.000There was a guy that just interviewed people at like some kind of leftist rally and he was talking about like that they're aborting puppies.
00:46:53.000Until they started to slowly realize he was talking to some people and they were like, it's funny, though, the dink thing, it runs contrary to every single kind of a philosopher over the last 2,000 years who's looked at the problem of meaning.
00:47:08.000And so I always try to explain it to people like this.
00:47:11.000Think of it like a survival craft RPG.
00:47:14.000What makes that RPG so much fun is gathering all the resources and then spending them, right?
00:47:20.000It's spending all the resources because that's the time sink on this, on this, on this.
00:47:24.000Once you've built everything, the game's not fun anymore.
00:47:40.000Often what will happen with these people is, well, they get all the things that they want and they have no more fucking purpose or meaning, right?
00:47:47.000Well, it's so bizarre too, because you're correct that every philosopher worth their salt acknowledged that the family unit was the cornerstone of civilization and it gave people meaning.
00:47:58.000But even the barbarians wanted to have children.
00:48:02.000They didn't want to take care of them or they wanted to have them with multiple different women, but they wanted to have children.
00:48:09.000The idea of I want to end my bloodline so that I can focus on little pleasures in life is so emasculating and embarrassing.
00:48:18.000It's not even something that stupid people thought hundreds of years ago.
00:48:22.000Well, even their demon gods were like, got to have kids who are going to torture.
00:48:29.000Now we've got people who are like, but I want to go to the Taylor Swift concert and the music festival and everything on the weekends.
00:48:35.000And I don't really want to have torturers.
00:48:36.000Well, and it's just a very decadent lifestyle.
00:48:39.000And what it does is it moves away from what we're trying to see in society anyway.
00:48:43.000Now, it's not a perfect analogy, obviously, the survival craft thing.
00:48:47.000But the point is, what we're talking about is meaning.
00:48:50.000And meaning people, if you poll people, have children, things like this, they almost always way higher on happiness index than people who don't.
00:48:59.000And the reason is, is because of meaning.
00:49:02.000You have great meaning that comes with your bloodline continuing.
00:49:05.000And from an evolutionary model, even, isn't that the primary edict?
00:49:09.000If you're just an evolutionist, you believe that we're the product of some randomized Darwinistic process, then you should recognize that, of course, that process is going to reward you psychologically for having children.
00:49:20.000We wouldn't have gotten very far as a species if it didn't.
00:49:22.000But yeah, they argue that you shouldn't have children.
00:49:32.000One thing people get horrified by nowadays is if you say something to them like, oh, it would be good if you had a family or if it would be good if you had kids.
00:49:39.000That is like a shocking statement that really offends people.
00:49:42.000But people will constantly say, well, you know, there are some people who just shouldn't have kids.
00:49:46.000You're allowed to tell people that they shouldn't have kids, which is far, far more insulting.
00:49:50.000But if you tell somebody that they should, all of a sudden you're a monster.
00:49:53.000But that was a blessing for all of history to say, to tell someone, I hope you don't reproduce.
00:50:14.000She said, if I were in your shoes, I would have had a much better time doing that.
00:50:17.000And it's like, my dad gave me this great piece of advice when I was young.
00:50:20.000We were talking about some women in our lives that we knew who had like massive self-esteem problems and never gained any self-confidence and they become these black holes.
00:50:31.000And he said, they all think that self-esteem comes from other people telling you, oh, you're good enough and you're beautiful the way you are.
00:50:38.000And he said, that's not where self-esteem comes from.
00:50:40.000It comes from doing difficult things and persevering and learning that you can trust yourself to handle tough things.
00:51:13.000They have meltdowns if they have to like work more than four hours at a time because it's just they don't believe that they can do anything hard.
00:51:20.000I knew I had a friend of mine that for a long time, she couldn't call to order a pizza because that kind of interaction was too stressful.
00:51:28.000These are the also, by the way, like I'm not saying we shouldn't take the problem of left-wing violence seriously because there are lunatics out there who will actually do it.
00:51:34.000But just so you know, like a lot of the people threatening you on the internet are afraid to make phone calls.
00:51:38.000They are too afraid to make their own doctor's appointments.
00:51:40.000Well, one thing, one thing I'd point out is actually because of the rate of mental illness on the left, the rhetoric that they use is 10 times worse, even if it's similar to that of right-wingers.
00:52:18.000Well, I've said this a number of times on the show.
00:52:20.000I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but my argument is that leftism is just a word we use to describe the intellectual rationalization for social decay.
00:52:28.000Whenever someone doesn't want to do what they're supposed to do and they find a highfalutin argument to, you know, cover their laziness or their basically viciousness, they call it leftist theory.
00:52:38.000Anytime some leftist comes out with a new groundbreaking theory, it's just like why I shouldn't have a bedtime, why I should be able to eat fruit snacks all day.
00:52:45.000You know, it's just another version of them trying to force their childishness.
00:52:49.000Their idea of rights is always, what can I do that has no duties associated with it that's more degenerate?
00:53:22.000Yeah, and them pretending that what you're saying is incoherent when it's not incoherent.
00:53:27.000Now, there's people who say incoherent things, but one of the reasons I'm so tough in semantics when I'm debating with leftists is because it holds them to the meanings of what they say.
00:53:37.000And you've never seen people freak out so bad in your life.
00:53:40.000I just had this university student, Naima, debated with her, right?
00:55:16.000Can we stop pretending that they don't?
00:55:18.000It was the arrogance, though, of that debate, because the beauty of it was that you got her to, she was so arrogant and she was so like spiteful that she just wanted to argue against everything that you said.
00:55:30.000So you were able to make her argue against her own worldview.
00:55:35.000He took on her worldview and argued it as if it was his own.
00:55:38.000And she was and she just condemned it and said it was crazy and said it was awful.
00:55:43.000And he's like, and that's your position.
00:55:45.000I want to piggyback off something Phil said because you made a point and it was a joke, but I actually think it was pretty profound and true when you said the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is.
00:55:54.000I remember making this joke during COVID.
00:55:56.000And this is a family show, so I'll try to be a little bit careful here.
00:55:59.000There's also a lady present, so I'll be a little careful with my language.
00:56:02.000But they were saying, you can't shout at me.
00:56:34.000I was like, dude, if literally, if the government said that like sodomy increases the likelihood of getting COVID and they tried to restrict it, they would lose their brain.
00:57:34.000Because, you know, one of the things really funny here is we have all these documents.
00:57:40.000I mean, we have so many of these documents, not just from the founders, but from the contributors, of which there's thousands, thousands of contributors to the Constitution.
00:57:48.000It's like they, one thing that was of universal agreement for democracy is that you had to have a moral populace.
00:58:04.000Well, and that's the crisis in this country right now with respect to government: how do we maintain a style of government made for moral populace when we don't have a moral populace?
00:58:13.000And people don't want to say it out loud because, oh, well, this is offensive and you can't label the government as having any like religious motivation or underpaintings, but a Christian government.
00:58:50.000And I was just thinking to myself, if the founders of America had known that there was going to be a Hindu running for president, they would have definitely thought twice, put it that way.
00:59:10.000Like, the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads maybe just started to make it to Europe.
00:59:14.000Like, if they had a like, they were not thinking the same back then as they are now.
00:59:19.000If you thought there was going to be Arab Muslims coming in and being governor of New York, like a mayor of New York, yeah, yeah, it'd be unthinkable for them.
00:59:25.000And by the way, what we did in a show with Vivek, I was actually hosting that time.
00:59:29.000He was a great conversation, smart guy.
00:59:31.000But yeah, I don't buy this idea that we can just interchange these religions, Christianity and Hinduism.
01:00:04.000And the thing is, is like you can't also say that you don't want these things to change, these amendments to change, which are ratifications of God-given rights, and then deny the God from which they're drawn.
01:00:44.000I probably say this like every other week on the show, but the Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that communism is not what destroys society.
01:00:50.000It's the rot that sets in when your society's already been destroyed.
01:00:53.000And I think that that's true, honestly, of a lot of the social problems we're seeing.
01:00:56.000We're going, how do we save the country from this?
01:00:58.000And it's like, well, if that's happening, in some sense, it's too late.
01:01:30.000What kind of strongman is going to come out of that?
01:01:32.000Historically, it's not usually very good.
01:01:34.000That's why Andrew's always trying to advocate for Christians to start feeling more comfortable governing using their Christian morals and not this crazy idea that everyone except us can do that, right?
01:01:48.000The Muslims can govern with their Muslim morals and the Hindus can govern.
01:01:51.000If you don't wield power as Christians, people will wield power against you as Christians.
01:01:56.000Well, and this is one of the hilarious little bits of rhetoric we've heard for the past several decades.
01:02:34.000Or my favorite is when they go, how very pro-life of you.
01:02:37.000Anytime you say anything, you call yourself pro-life and yet you don't think we should be funding Latinx folks in Uganda having slam poetry sessions.
01:02:45.000You know how many people will die if we don't do that?
01:03:12.000But listen, speaking of Christian policy and sensible policy, one thing that's gone completely out the window over the course of the past several decades is any semblance of law and order punishing people when they break the law.
01:03:33.000That's what these very smart people with a lot of degrees keep telling us.
01:03:36.000And yet, as it turns out time and time again, when you try this, it seems to work.
01:03:40.000And so, even though we don't have any statistical or any official stats on this that we've pulled up, we do have a great statement from the president of the United States.
01:03:49.000And as a patriot, that's enough of an authority for me.
01:03:52.000Donald J. Trump said, I am proud to announce that Chicago, Illinois, despite all of the radical opposition and obstruction we have from the mayor and the governor, has seen car theft, shooting, shootings, robberies, violent crime, and everything else drop dramatically since the launch of the DHS Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago only weeks ago.
01:04:11.000Shootings are down 35%, robberies are down 41%, and carjackings are down 50%.
01:04:17.000Guys, I thought this was too complicated.
01:04:19.000Yeah, I thought we just have to hug them and give them money and resources, and then they'll just behave.
01:04:26.000Your mom never took them to Disney as a kid or gave him cocoa, and that's why they broke the law.
01:04:30.000Progressives have been, and we found this out recently.
01:04:34.000And I've been covering many of the various podcasters who've broken these stories, or at least enhanced them.
01:04:41.000That many progressive cities have been for years lying about the crime rates by simply allocating crimes in different categories where they don't belong and then saying, see, violent crime is dropping.
01:05:11.000It's because they want to say our policies where we're soft on crime and we're focusing on the economic end of what's going on with the minority crime population, right?
01:05:26.000And here you can see that that's working because after all, we just kind of mismanage what we consider violent crime or other types of crime, put them in different categories.
01:05:34.000And then we can say our economic solutions are working instead of the jail cell.
01:05:38.000And it's like, no, they're not working.
01:06:17.000Like those people chose to commit the crime.
01:06:19.000How many news stories have you seen this year where some guy who just got out of prison for like the 13th time goes and does something awful and it makes the news?
01:06:27.000And we always find out, oh, this guy's already been arrested and put in jail 30 times.
01:06:32.000And these liberal judges just keep letting them out.
01:06:34.000You look at something like Singapore, where they're really, really tough on drugs.
01:06:38.000Like if you do major drug trafficking there, you go to prison forever.
01:06:42.000And they have practically no drug trafficking.
01:06:44.000If you litter on the street, you go to prison in Singapore.
01:06:53.000But it does show that, like, yes, these punitive, more punitive punishments work.
01:06:58.000It's like there's a reason Vlad the Impaler started doing what he was doing because things were out of control.
01:07:02.000Well, it's amazing when a diplomatic observer came to Romania and said, how can you guys have gold in the street in one of their major cities?
01:07:12.000And he's point over and there's all these people impaled.
01:07:15.000And it's like, that's how we can have gold in the street.
01:07:22.000And one of the reasons it's so important to have law and order, I mean, the primary reason is because you need to have law and order.
01:07:28.000The left is constantly belling about the fact that we need to be terrified of a right-wing strongman while they do everything that they can to create one.
01:07:35.000If you don't want insane, cruel, and unusual punishments forced on petty criminals, you know how you can prevent that happening from happening?
01:07:41.000Maybe by not giving rapists three-month-long sentences.
01:07:45.000Maybe that's one of the things that could help us not overreact to petty crimes.
01:07:49.000This is one thing that we see in Europe, too.
01:07:51.000In Germany, a woman was given a longer sentence than her rapist for calling him a pig in a group chat.
01:08:28.000Well, can I ask you something about this?
01:08:30.000Because this piggybacks off of something that's an interesting phenomenon happening right now in the conservative civil war that you see mostly playing out on X.
01:08:57.000And the quote woke right, they're saying is neo-Nazis, this and that, et cetera, et cetera.
01:09:02.000The other side's firing back, including guys like Fuentes.
01:09:05.000Fuentes often held up as being one of the forefront leaders of this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:09:11.000Here's what I see, though, and I wanted your take on this.
01:09:14.000It seems to me that if you go on as an anonymous account, right, and you say mustache man good and you say a bunch of neo-Nazi shit, people freak out.
01:09:54.000But I think his stuff with Mustache Man, there was a clip that was going around, I don't know if it was from yesterday or today that I saw, where he was giving an explanation for this.
01:10:04.000And he was like, look, when I do this, it pisses off all, it pisses off everybody.
01:10:10.000And they make the demand that I'm not allowed to.
01:10:12.000And you're not allowed to do that or else there's going to be serious repercussions.
01:10:16.000And he's like, through that gateway, I've been able to draw a lot more attention to the things that I want than I ever could have imagined just due to your reaction to this.
01:10:25.000And it's like, how's that not a brilliant strategy?
01:10:59.000Yeah, I mean, I don't, I, I think that the, I think that the reaction to Nick Fuentes has been entirely the wrong reaction, right?
01:11:07.000Like the whole like, you know, debanking him, keep putting him on no fly list and stuff like that.
01:11:11.000I think that's all been a bad reaction.
01:11:14.000Um, and I don't, I don't have a, I don't have a significant problem with the things that he, with him saying things that are, that are offensive or whatever.
01:11:22.000I just, I, I do think that it's, that he is telling the truth generally.
01:11:26.000There are people out there that say it's all a troll, right?
01:11:29.000There are people that say he doesn't actually believe any of the things that he's, it's all a troll.
01:11:34.000I do think that I think he, I definitely 100% the things he's confirmed that he believes that there's Jewish organizations which are responsible for infiltration of the US government.
01:11:46.000There's no doubt he says this often and there's some truth to what's going on with AIPAC and others and no one's going to deny any of that.
01:11:52.000There is there is there is but that's not really the question for me.
01:11:56.000The question for me is about right-wing.
01:11:59.000It's not really about whether or not what Fuentes personally is doing right, wrong or indifferent, but rather, isn't it the case that if you do that type of trolling and the left freaks out collectively and loses their mind, how does that not incentivize more of it?
01:12:16.000So one of the things that's really interesting too is the left wants to frame itself as the underdog at all times.
01:12:22.000So this is something I saw recently where they were trying to make this Mamdani edit where they were almost they were almost trying to go for the aesthetic of like a very edgy kind of fashy right-wing meme.
01:12:34.000And it was funny because it's like, well, listen, the left-wing symbols don't elicit that reaction basically from anyone, including conservatives.
01:12:44.000That also might be part of why younger people aren't seeing it as being equally transgressive or something that would shake the system up in the same way.
01:13:07.000Like they can't at all, and they don't get it.
01:13:09.000They don't get that this younger generation of like American, America First conservatives, these sort of reactionaries, they come from a meme culture.
01:13:36.000I think if you're talking about that whole problem reaction solution thing, that if it's like the problem is these guys are driving you crazy with their memes and they're driving you crazy with their trolling and your reaction is we got to shut Twitter down.
01:13:54.000Well, there's kind of a almost like a perfect symbiosis there between someone who is trying to troll the left and say these outrageous things and the left because they have to retain this victim status.
01:14:03.000And they have to go, everyone in America is actually secretly a Nazi white supremacist.
01:15:33.000This guy's not backing down from his claim that he can have multiple wives.
01:15:36.000Rich Tidewell, a pastor in Canton, Missouri, has sparked an online debate about the acceptance of polygamy in Christianity and whether or not it is biblically justified.
01:15:48.000To the expected amount of backlash, he recently made an announcement on his Instagram page that his second wife is expecting his eighth child.
01:15:55.000All right, this is kind of what I was saying earlier, even though obviously we disavow this guy's not talking about real Christianity.
01:16:00.000There was a time when even the barbarians wanted children.
01:16:09.000So firstly, I don't know what his argument is, but I assume he's actually probably making some version of the argument that the left will often make when we talk about marriage and biblical morality, which is the Bible has polygamy in it.
01:16:22.000Not everything that the Bible describes is something it's recommending that you do.
01:16:27.000In fact, a lot of what's described, it's from Trent Orton, a lot of what's described in the Bible is stuff you're not supposed to be doing.
01:16:41.000It seems shocking because it exists in one direction, but for decades, we have been seeing people try to claim that the Bible doesn't actually say what it says about God's plan for marriage, about sexuality, etc.
01:16:51.000You know, my particular perversion is permissible.
01:17:41.000Because if they make the claim that, well, three people getting married is immoral, right?
01:17:47.000We just ask them, well, how would you ground that?
01:17:49.000They would just say the societal consequences are bad.
01:17:51.000It'd be like, well, I could do that with homosexuality or any number of different things.
01:17:54.000So that makes no sense as an argument.
01:17:57.000Ultimately, this, right, you're going to see more of it under leftist rule because they're going to have less and less way to combat it with any sort of ground.
01:18:26.000But why we need monogamy more than anything else is because we have an equal distribution of men to women.
01:18:34.000And you really want to make sure that the underclass is married and having children because otherwise they start killing people in a big way collectively.
01:18:43.000They start killing people because one of the biggest accesses of resources for men isn't the money.
01:19:14.000And then there are some guys who they're just trying to have sex, but in a monogamous culture, that drive is oriented towards something productive instead of destructive.
01:19:27.000George Gilder writes about this in his book, Men in Marriage, where he points out, and this is written in like the late 80s, early 90s, I believe.
01:19:33.000But he points out that literally in every society throughout all of history, the most dangerous people around have been unmarried young men.
01:19:39.000If you can create a population of perpetually unmarried young people, they're going to be killers.
01:19:44.000Now, here's the thing: for corporate America, those people make great consumers.
01:19:47.000And so it seems as if there's been this effort to keep men young and unmarried, but to kind of unicize them so that they're good producers and they're not scary.
01:19:55.000If that doesn't work, they're still going to be scary men.
01:19:57.000But they're not like inherently killers.
01:20:19.000This is just men benevolent, actually.
01:20:24.000But my point is, is just to point this out, is like the reason you want your young men married and producing families and you don't want them sidelined with no sexual access is because if you have like 20% of your population that's like that, you're going to have a serious problem on your hands where these people don't, they're not risk averse.
01:20:42.000Well, why do you think it's so easy to recruit young Muslim men into terrorist cells?
01:20:47.000Yeah, I was like, why do you think it's so easy to sell me?
01:20:50.000Think about how easy it was to recruit mercenaries under the promise you'd carry off the enemy women.
01:20:56.000The idea here, the idea here was always the same.
01:21:11.000Yeah, but in terms of polygamy, you look at the Arab cultures, for example.
01:21:16.000They've got a huge problem with this in the sense that a lot of the top status men get all of the wives and it creates this huge underclass of men.
01:21:23.000And you'll notice that all of the immigrants coming into Europe, there's not many women and children.
01:22:01.000But like, yeah, you look at the grooming gangs over there, and they were essentially their excuse was that, well, you know, in our culture, this is allowed.
01:22:11.000These are essentially spoils of war here.
01:22:13.000And they're not Muslims, so they don't get treated the same as us.
01:22:16.000And that was their justification for it.
01:22:17.000So it's not like it was frowned upon or anything.
01:22:20.000And by the way, this is stated openly.
01:22:21.000And when these people have to testify, they'll say things like this.
01:23:44.000You were right at the beginning when you said it's because we've accepted this morally relative framework that even Christians, even Christians, especially, you know, not to, sorry, Protestants, but you guys have this idea that everybody has their right to, you know, their individual interpretation.
01:24:00.000So you can't, that plus the moral relativistic framework, you can't tell this guy no.
01:24:44.000If you look at pretty much all of the cults, like all of the heretical cults that have tried to spring out of Christianity, it's always some guy who wants to take all the wives.
01:25:54.000Speaking of the demonic, Tucker Carlson draws scorn for new details over a demonic attack.
01:26:01.000And he said he's not embarrassed, which, first of all, based, I think it's listen, you've got so many Christians and so many people who say that Christianity is a good thing, even if they don't consider themselves Christian.
01:26:10.000But then you actually start talking about Christian things and they go, oh, are you crazy?
01:26:38.000Alleges happened to him in his bed in February of 2023, months before Fox News fired him.
01:26:43.000During an extensive interview last Thursday with fellow former Fox News host Megan Kelly, Carlson suggested the attack was in response to a positive supernatural experience he had the day before, during which he experienced love towards someone he hated.
01:26:56.000Now, the thing is, regardless of whether you feel this happened or think this happened, I certainly don't doubt his sincerity.
01:27:01.000And when we did America Fest at TPUSA, I had the privilege of doing a podcast with him and a couple of other people, including Charlie Kirk.
01:27:09.000And Tucker mentioned this story on the podcast about how he was attacked by a demon.
01:27:15.000So, listen, I don't know why we would say that we need to promote Christian thought and be a Christian country and then laugh at a guy when he says something demonic happened to him.
01:27:23.000Because don't you think a demon would attack someone in Tucker Carlson's position if they're starting to spread truth and if they're like loving their enemies and doing good Christian things?
01:27:31.000Well, the same people making fun of this are the people who have crystals and tarot cards and all kinds of other nonsense and they're reading their horoscope and trying to figure out, you know, how do I know if this guy likes me?
01:27:55.000And as Christians, though, we should not reject the scientific method.
01:27:59.000And as Christians, we should not reject that science can help us come up with answers to the natural world and how it functions.
01:28:07.000And so the thing is, is like these categories, the spiritual categories, the categories that have no scientific explanation, like the demonic, I don't expect people who have a more secular nature, agnostic or atheist nature, to believe those things about Christianity, even as they benefit from the effects of Christianity.
01:28:26.000They don't have a problem with you believing those things.
01:28:30.000But if you're going to, if you're going to just immediately take Carlson at his word for it, and maybe, maybe that's fair that you should, okay, or shouldn't.
01:28:40.000You don't doubt the sincerity, but it's still rational and within the confines of rational thinking that even Christians could and would shout that this actually happened.
01:28:53.000Now, absent documentation and things like this.
01:28:57.000And Catholics are the most skeptical of all.
01:29:28.000And one of the things he talked about was the fact that the vast majority of cases, when someone thinks there's demonic activity, there isn't.
01:29:33.000It's either something else or some kind of mental health.
01:30:43.000But you know, what's interesting is like you'd find a lot more alignment with secularists with that view because wouldn't they say the same thing?
01:30:50.000Well, I'm kind of curious about this too, because he's he's mentioned this before, and he hasn't really said anything else like this.
01:30:58.000And he says, I'm not embarrassed, and I don't care if I'm mocked.
01:31:02.000This is part of why I find it so fascinating because I think most people, even if they feel they've experienced something supernatural or have or even just believe they have, they're not going to want to talk about it in public.
01:31:11.000That's also part of why I don't want to dismiss him because I think there's something bold about it that I do appreciate.
01:31:20.000And if it happened, like if something like that happened to me, I don't know that I would be brave enough to go on a podcast to talk about it.
01:31:28.000I might be concerned, well, people are going to mock me and I'm going to make the faith look superstitious or something.
01:31:34.000When I read about Catholic exorcism or Orthodox exorcists and things like that, Catholics have a much, much more well-documented, more public kind of face when it comes to exorcism.
01:31:47.000They're like rock stars because of the movie The Exorcist.
01:31:52.000But it's obsession is the most common, right?
01:31:57.000And, you know, demonic possession is the least likely, and it's extremely rare.
01:32:04.000But physical demonic attacks are even more rare yet, unless possession is involved.
01:32:09.000And that would maybe throw a red flag to, well, we can be a little bit skeptical here.
01:32:14.000This wasn't just the idea if I woke up with sleep paralysis and saw a demon or something like this, but rather he's saying there was a physical attack where claw marks raked him and there was blood left.
01:32:44.000I'm just pointing out it's rational to be skeptical.
01:32:47.000Yeah, I also think it's interesting because he says this culturally, I'm not from a world where people are attacked by demons, Carlson told you, which most of us aren't.
01:32:54.000And he seems to come from a very waspy background where they don't really talk that much about the demonic or other such types of things.
01:33:01.000So I just find the whole thing fascinating.
01:33:15.000But if you do have experiences with it, like I've had experiences with what I would have called ghosts back in the day, but now I would call it more demonic.
01:33:24.000And, you know, when it does happen to you, I feel as though it's just like you can't explain it really.
01:33:29.000Like when I've had, I've had an experience with it, not like in the physical or anything, but just having a haunted house that I was in that nothing made sense.
01:33:38.000Doors slamming open and close when I was in there.
01:33:55.000Just only, my point is only that when somebody makes a claim like this, because there's so much, and he and I, I think we would agree on this too.
01:34:03.000There's a lot of grifting on the Christian side.
01:34:13.000I think that he's being sincere about his experience.
01:34:16.000But just if people instantly are very skeptical of something like that, because it's such a big claim, I just think that that's reasonable.
01:34:33.000One of the most interesting books I've ever read was one that you gave me, Rach.
01:34:36.000It was Orthodoxy in the Religion of the Future.
01:34:39.000And it was so interesting how they were talking about UFOs and how all of these like alien shows have been sort of programming us for UFOs, but really they've always existed and they're sort of demonic forces.
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01:42:03.000There's too many people that have such a problem with Israel and Jewish people that they think that it's a good idea to align with Islam because Islam has a problem with Jews.
01:42:16.000Andrew and I argue this all the time on X because they'll be like, you got to pick a team.
01:42:20.000And we're like, how about neither one?
01:42:23.000And well, the thing is, too, is like, I do understand the logic.
01:42:27.000The logic is, oh, you're willing to attack Islam because it's safe, but you're not willing to attack Judaism because that's not safe politically.
01:42:36.000So I understand that logic, and that logic does make sense.
01:42:39.000But that's why my logic is fuck both, right?
01:42:44.000Like, I'm not interested in either the idea of Zionism or the idea of Islamic values.
01:42:52.000I don't want either of them coexisting with Christian values.
01:42:56.000That the idea is that we're beholden to either value structure, I think is absurd.
01:43:00.000Christian ethics should be the order of the day.
01:43:02.000But one of the arguments that I hear that drives me nuts is when they say, well, you know, in Islam, they think that Jesus, they love Jesus and blah, blah, blah.
01:43:09.000And it's like, look, man, that is, that is a BS line.
01:43:13.000If you ever want to see, this is why I've never accepted the Christ as king, right?
01:44:17.000Well, and I'm also purposely being exclusionary to people who are what they're doing is they're doing infiltration in order to be perverse.
01:44:26.000And I'm literally excluding them on purpose by demonstrating and showcasing, no, our value structure is not the same.
01:44:34.000Because even in Islam, they don't say that Muhammad is God.
01:44:39.000Muhammad is the prophet, the last prophet, and he's held up in esteem above the marriage.
01:44:44.000Christians believe that Christ was the last prophet.
01:44:47.000Yeah, but they also believe that Christ was God.
01:44:49.000So, and like I said, me even trying to articulate this around you guys, I feel a little bit like I'm like, you know, stepping out of my no, that's fine.
01:44:59.000Dude, that's how I feel about you all the time.
01:45:01.000Theology, I'm like, I got to be careful here.
01:45:03.000But speaking of theology and Christian values, speaking of theology and Christian values, we got a challenger.
01:45:08.000KL Tanker 420 says, I've always wondered why Christians think they own marriage.
01:45:12.000If gay people can't marry because marriage is a religious ceremony with God, using that logic, should all non-Christians not be allowed to marry?
01:45:18.000The problem is you don't understand the Christian perspective on marriage with all due respect.
01:45:22.000And by the way, thank you for your chat and for being a fan, but this is the straw man argument that's used by the left.
01:45:27.000The right wants to turn marriage into a religious institution.
01:45:29.000What we believe as Catholics, and I assume the Orthodox believe something similar, but what we believe is that marriage pre-existed the church.
01:45:36.000So the church has no power to define it or redefine it.
01:45:38.000So when we say marriage is between a man and a woman, we are respecting an institution that existed before the church.
01:45:43.000That church does not have the power to change.
01:45:45.000And also, you just don't even need to recognize secular marriage, honestly.
01:46:39.000And so if that's the case, what is the purpose of bringing the state in at all unless it's for the purpose of reproduction and for normalizing families?
01:46:49.000And then if that's the case, can homosexuals do either of those things?
01:46:53.000Well, also, there's one more important thing, which is we need to recognize secular marriages so that when the Christian right becomes ascendant, we can punish them when they commit adultery.
01:47:01.000Because if you're not married, we can't punish you for committing adultery.
01:47:35.000I mean, I remember that's the minute I that's yeah, that's when it blew it out.
01:47:39.000That was the second I knew because I remember at first I was cautious.
01:47:43.000I remember thinking, maybe this is something, maybe this is real.
01:47:45.000And then all those doctors signed out of that notice saying, well, the police going around killing unarmed black men is enough of a public health crisis that it warrants us disregarding COVID.
01:47:54.000And I went, all right, it was all a nonsense.
01:47:56.000Not only that, they literally said that BLM riots don't spread it.
01:49:04.000And then, of course, when that happened with the letter all the doctors signed, I went, okay, it's nonsense.
01:49:09.000But then, yeah, on top of that, not only did I realize that was all nonsense, I went, oh, like, I don't think I will ever trust them ever again about anything.
01:49:17.000Like, next, which is actually really dangerous because now if there is a very serious plague, people are going to put it in the same category.
01:49:23.000No, but maybe, maybe it's the case that, good.
01:49:26.000Like, even if it was, let's say, a very serious plague that was 5% or 10%, right?
01:49:31.000Or in mortality or something like that.
01:49:33.000You know, maybe the lockdowns, after seeing the ramifications of all the mental health that happened because of those, the massive distrust, things like that.
01:49:42.000And it didn't seem like the lockdowns themselves did much to really curtail COVID spreading anyway.
01:49:47.000So maybe it would be good that people just distrusted them and just went about their daily life anyway until it ran its course.
01:50:43.000If you are beholden to vices, if you are constantly being jerked one way or another, and this is something that the Stoics used to talk about, too.
01:50:53.000If you're constantly being jerked in one way or another by your emotions, by your emotional reaction, you're not free.
01:51:18.000And the idea of, well, and he's making the idea of Catholic virtues, like Aristotelian Catholic virtues, but we have a similar device, methodology, and orthodoxy as well.
01:51:47.000And also, if you're capable of denying yourself a legitimate good, then it becomes easier to deny illegitimate things that you actually shouldn't be doing.
01:52:11.000And I've said this, it just seems as if no matter how many times I articulate this as clearly as possible, I'm still misunderstood here, but I will say it one more time.
01:52:18.000I do not believe the right should change its policies to accommodate any of the people fleeing from the left.
01:52:22.000That does not mean I'm saying that we should push those people out.
01:52:25.000If they want to run from the left to come to the right, they cannot turn us into a slightly less bad version of the left.
01:53:31.000Because if kids are cohabitating, do you not even want to answer that?
01:53:34.000Because you mentioned he left the faith or I'm curious if you.
01:53:37.000Oh, I think he's referencing a previous debate, but I don't actually understand the end of the question because under my view, you would still have more protections with kids than under his view, and he has no protections for him.
01:53:47.000So that's just that the guy's entire position was incoherent.
01:53:51.000It made no sense at all because he didn't have a position.
01:53:55.000Anyway, he has to be a ginger too, by the way, because I feel like the only people that convert from Christianity and become Muslim are always gingers.
01:54:04.000I saw a stat that there was like upwards of 50% of English guys who have converted to Islam or ginger.
01:58:15.000First of all, you can't do that unless you're like rich and you can hire somebody else to do all the things you can't do when you're a stay-at-work mom.
02:00:15.000And this is a pretty consistent issue where if you're on the right and you make any kind of joke or you try to make some kind of exaggeration to point out how ridiculous the left-wing position is or a liberal position is, it comes true.
02:00:25.000This is something that's happened with my cartoons multiple times.
02:00:27.000There was a tune we did nine years ago making fun of Occupy Wall Street after we became a lefty movement.
02:00:32.000And the entire bit was that you had like these little cartoon millionaires protesting cartoon billionaires for being richer than them.
02:00:40.000And the joke was it was a commentary on like white upper middle class Westerners protesting the people who happened who are like immensely wealthy on a global scale protesting those richer.
02:00:49.000Now we literally do have millionaires who protest billionaires.
02:01:42.000So I'm sure that there's been instances where somebody has read some scripture to an NPC and converted them.
02:01:48.000But I think that it's actually much better to destroy the current worldview they have, break that down, show them how it's wrong in order to then demonstrate how yours is right.
02:01:59.000And I've always thought that that was kind of missing often in apologetics where the be nice aspect takes over the logical aspect.
02:02:08.000Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth in that.
02:02:10.000Also, part of the reason it's taught the way that it is is because it's just impossible to teach everyone in an apologetics course all the different worldviews they'll have to dismantle.
02:02:18.000But at the very least, they should be talking about atheistic liberalism because it's almost always some for-reaching to if you're not running into all of them.
02:04:17.000Well, I would like to say, Jake, Rattlesnake TV, live stream me a few times a week, and you can catch me on the extravaganza with my short king co-host.
02:09:18.000It looks again nice, like Utah above like the southern border of Utah, pretty much across the country, southern border of West Virginia, like northern part of California.
02:09:27.000So, pretty much everyone in the country in the north can see this.
02:09:30.000I would definitely go out and check it out.
02:09:31.000If you look north below that line, you're gonna be able to.
02:10:59.000Hopefully, this doesn't cause another Carrington event and then ruin the world because TikTok stopped working on the lefties freak out and suddenly have time to ruin everything.