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00:08:00.000 So the DOJ launches a federal probe after Antifa militants riot at TPUSA Berkeley event honoring Charlie Kirk.

00:08:07.000 Again, this is an event honoring the life of a man who was murdered by left-wing radicals.

00:08:12.000 We shouldn't be surprised that left-wing radicals protested it.

00:08:14.000 That's apparently what time it is in the United States right now.

00:08:17.000 The U.S. Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.

00:08:21.000 Harmee Dylan announced on Tuesday that an investigation has been launched into a violent attack against individuals attending a turning point USA event at UC Berkeley, perpetuated by the designated terrorist group Antifa.

00:08:33.000 The FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force is also investigating the incident, according to the Justice Department.

00:08:39.000 So this comes from the post-millennial.

00:08:42.000 Yesterday on the show, we covered this as breaking news as we saw them doing this.

00:08:46.000 Unfortunately, Antifa violently rioting and attacking people who are trying to peacefully espouse their values has become a bit banal at this point.

00:08:54.000 We're so used to it that it's hard to even comment on it anymore without sounding like broken records.

00:08:58.000 But nonetheless, you know, sometimes you beat a dead horse. 0.99

00:09:01.000 Sometimes that dead horse needs to get its butt kicked. 1.00

00:09:03.000 So let's talk about that, what these people are doing, what needs to be done about this, and why it hasn't been done if it hasn't. 0.75

00:09:12.000 Have you seen at the protests that they're showing up in front of the ICE facilities and they have all these like blow-up suits of the cartoon?

00:09:22.000 Yes, that's right.

00:09:23.000 And did you see when I sprayed one of them with pepper spray up in the flat?

00:09:23.000 Yeah.

00:09:27.000 I really want to put a thought bomb in one of the breathing holes.

00:09:31.000 That whole thing is designed to change their image.

00:09:33.000 Yeah.

00:09:34.000 The idea of the like mask wearing little ninja, you know, with the hood on and they're running around and starting fires and causing all these problems.

00:09:43.000 That's the image that Antifa burned into people's brains. 0.84

00:09:47.000 So they basically burn into people's brains that they're a like a revolutionary anarchal group that's there to damage property, destroy things, and perhaps even carry out incentives for political assassination.

00:10:00.000 That's right.

00:10:01.000 And so, you know, this kind of move to try to change by being more kid-friendly in this and that, that actually is hurting them more than anything else.

00:10:11.000 And let me, I'll give you my reasoning.

00:10:13.000 The No Kings Day riots, what a disappointment.

00:10:17.000 The second go around.

00:10:18.000 What a disappointment.

00:10:20.000 So we watched the first go around and it's like, at least they were doing stuff.

00:10:24.000 You know, you can.

00:10:25.000 You were all old, though, even then.

00:10:26.000 But you can get your eyes on you if you're doing stuff.

00:10:29.000 If you're like throwing rocks off and, you know, yeah, you're lighting stuff on fire.

00:10:33.000 You're throwing rocks on the police cars.

00:10:34.000 You're wrecking everything.

00:10:36.000 That brings the views.

00:10:37.000 So at least that brings the views to your point.

00:10:40.000 But now them becoming like the more kid-friendly leftist weirdos, nobody cares about that.

00:10:45.000 It's a weird schizophrenic thing, too, where they're trying to be both at the same time. 0.77

00:10:48.000 Half the time they're dancing and wearing these costumes, and we're just silly and trying to have a good time.

00:10:51.000 And who could be mad at our peaceful protest?

00:10:53.000 And then the other half of the time, they're throwing bricks at police officers.

00:10:56.000 Or they're doing cringe dancing.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, and getting drunk.

00:10:58.000 They do a lot of cringe dancing.

00:11:00.000 Yeah, well, this is the thing.

00:11:02.000 When you mentioned Antifa being kid-friendly, my first thought was impossible.

00:11:06.000 There was someone on Twitter who said this very funny joke.

00:11:08.000 They said Antifa is the militant arm of the sex offender registry.

00:11:11.000 Love it.

00:11:11.000 Totally.

00:11:12.000 So look, the point that they're, the point of what they're doing is they want to mock the establishment, right?

00:11:19.000 So if they, and I saw this, I forget where the book was, but it was, it was one of the essential, like essentially the handbooks of how you should conduct basically counters.

00:11:31.000 Is that rules?

00:11:32.000 I'm not sure if it was specifically in Rules for Radicals, but the point is they want to have pictures of riot police clad police, right?

00:11:43.000 Riot, you know, riot control clad police grabbing a dude in a blow-up doll suit.

00:11:49.000 That's right.

00:11:49.000 Because it looks comical.

00:11:51.000 Then the propaganda they can put out is: look, we're just out here being silly, having fun, protesting the authoritarians, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:59.000 You don't see that the guy that was in the blow-up suit was just hurling Moltov cocktails, right?

00:12:04.000 You don't see that he was just throwing bricks at police. 0.56

00:12:07.000 You don't, I mean, whatever the violent action that he just took, the point is they want people to see pictures of a silly-looking guy getting wrapped up by militant police. 0.88

00:12:18.000 Carry militant police, yeah.

00:12:20.000 So there is a point to them getting dressed up like that, and it is all about propaganda.

00:12:25.000 Yeah, well, it is.

00:12:26.000 It's all about image, and that's that's only one aspect.

00:12:29.000 The other aspect, so you'll see the U.S. military does this a lot.

00:12:32.000 They'll change uniforms.

00:12:34.000 And one of the reasons they change uniforms is because if there might be imagery associated with a certain uniform that brings bad thoughts in the American public or in people abroad, they switch the lookout, right?

00:12:46.000 That's the whole point.

00:12:47.000 Militaries all over the world do this, by the way.

00:12:49.000 An example: when you think AK-47, what do you think?

00:12:53.000 That's right.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, we think like Middle Eastern Taliban fighters.

00:12:57.000 Exactly.

00:12:57.000 Or Russians, right?

00:12:58.000 Or it's the bad guys. 0.58

00:13:00.000 But the Russians aren't bad. 1.00

00:13:01.000 Bad guys.

00:13:02.000 And so if the bad guys, they start switching their weapons around and things, you might think that they're a little less bad.

00:13:09.000 And this is what's going on with the Antifa.

00:13:10.000 I reckon that maybe IC should counter signal them with a Power Ranger's outfit.

00:13:10.000 It's the same thing.

00:13:18.000 That'd be incredible.

00:13:19.000 Go out and just do all this number when they're arresting them.

00:13:22.000 Even better, dude, like one of those Power Ranger mecha suits where they all combine together and then they just have a giant net and they're able to snoop.

00:13:30.000 Just don't wear the White Power Ranger outfit.

00:13:35.000 Well, this is funny.

00:13:36.000 You mentioned this, how we have certain psychological attachments to specific images and firearms.

00:13:42.000 This is one of the reasons that we knew that Biden leaving all of our weapons in Afghanistan was pure incompetence because if they wanted to arm them, they would have given them AKs so that people thought the Russians did it or they didn't look too deeply into where the weapons came from.

00:13:54.000 They would never intentionally give them American M4s ever. 0.99

00:13:57.000 No.

00:13:58.000 No, and the other reason behind this, this image thing, is I do think that it's part of a recruitment protocol.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:14:07.000 So if you want to raise the next little generation of terrorists, domestic terrorists, by the way, let's call them what they are.

00:14:12.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:14:13.000 Domestic terrorists. 0.68

00:14:14.000 You want to incentivize them to come in young.

00:14:17.000 So that's another part of this.

00:14:19.000 It's a mass propaganda.

00:14:21.000 They kind of need to because right now it's all old hippie boomers. 0.92

00:14:21.000 He's right. 0.92

00:14:25.000 That's exactly right.

00:14:26.000 And a lot of them, like during the day, because Andrew was covering this live on the crucible, and during the daytime, they were doing like a whole Rainbow Skittles parade, topless.

00:14:35.000 There was guys with their banana hammocks out in front of kids and everything else.

00:14:39.000 So they always have to throw that in too.

00:14:41.000 They always got to make it into something, you know, Skittles and rainbows and on top of everything.

00:14:47.000 Inclusive and equitable.

00:14:48.000 Every single time.

00:14:49.000 I was in Europe recently and I stumbled across two protests, one in Berlin and then one in Budapest.

00:14:55.000 And the one in Berlin, it was a climate change protest.

00:14:58.000 But of course, it's just inundated with trans flags and all of these different transformers. 1.00

00:15:02.000 And this was just by pure chance.

00:15:04.000 I was doing a vlog and I came across it.

00:15:05.000 And then same thing in Budapest as well.

00:15:07.000 And it was, they were calling Viktor Orban a fascist and they had the Ukraine flags and everything.

00:15:12.000 But then, of course, all the Skittles flags.

00:15:14.000 And I was like, they got to make everything without the Skittles.

00:15:17.000 Well, the issue of the time.

00:15:18.000 The issue is never the issue.

00:15:20.000 The issue is always the revolution.

00:15:21.000 The point is to disrupt the existing order in order to.

00:15:27.000 This is why you see an amalgamation of it.

00:15:28.000 It's always about not only climate change, but mass immigration and Skittles. 0.98

00:15:32.000 Yeah, and all these sorts of things.

00:15:33.000 It's a club for people who hate their dads.

00:15:35.000 Exactly.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:36.000 You're not mad at me.

00:15:37.000 You're mad at your dad.

00:15:37.000 That's why they always talk about the patriarchy.

00:15:40.000 Yeah, Sargon. 0.74

00:15:40.000 This is a huge part. 0.74

00:15:41.000 Feminists frequently get really upset because they'll be like, hey, this is an issue about women. 1.00

00:15:46.000 And then some other part of the left will slide in. 0.94

00:15:50.000 Feminists are like, no, no, this is about effing women. 1.00

00:15:54.000 Why are you, you know, blah, blah, blah, which is part of, that's why you see the schism between trans people and actual radio and stuff like that. 0.68

00:16:01.000 Oh, yeah, go ahead.

00:16:02.000 I was going to ask if Rachel taught the himbo the word amalgamation. 0.87

00:16:06.000 I was super impressed.

00:16:08.000 Mel Ga, Mel.

00:16:10.000 Yeah.

00:16:11.000 That was the job.

00:16:12.000 Well, but this is also, I think another part of the reason that you always see the pride flags there is because they know that they have to warp people and make them sexually perverted in order to blind them so that they'll go along with their agenda, sin dulls the intellect.

00:16:26.000 And when you say, I'm going to take the most intimate part of who I am and orient that towards short-term pleasure instead of the logos, what is reasonable, what God actually created me to do, you become a perfect slave.

00:16:36.000 And so that iconography is always going to follow these movements.

00:16:39.000 And we know historically, when you have sexual revolutions, you almost always end up with very intense violence because when people stop restraining their passions, first their lustful passions, they stop restraining their wrath.

00:16:50.000 And that's the step that we're on right now.

00:16:52.000 Or vice versa.

00:16:53.000 Right?

00:16:54.000 I mean, that's what you're talking about, Christian ontology.

00:16:57.000 And so you're right.

00:16:59.000 When you're talking about the t-los for teleology or moving out of it and into the passions, one always leads to the next, to the next, to the next. 1.00

00:17:06.000 I totally agree with this.

00:17:07.000 But I do think what you're seeing right now is the formation of these groups are now getting a lot of pressure on them, especially from the Trump administration.

00:17:16.000 The move to call them domestic terrorists gives the Trump administration a huge amount of leverage to start using law enforcement in very creative ways and military assets in very creative ways.

00:17:27.000 So do you think they're actually going to do anything about this?

00:17:29.000 I think they are.

00:17:30.000 I think that they are.

00:17:31.000 And I think that it's all quiet at the moment.

00:17:34.000 But it's because of that.

00:17:35.000 I think that this push now, the recruitment push and the image change push, is because they're terrified that now Trump may be able to use much better LEO resources to go after them after them being kind of labeled domestic terrorists and that getting into the public consciousness.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, because whenever there's a Democrat administration in place, these people are pictured as heroes, right?

00:17:57.000 They're liberation heroes.

00:17:59.000 They're fighting for freedom.

00:18:01.000 They can never, when you ask them, I mean, how many viral videos are there of someone asking them, why are you here at the protest today?

00:18:07.000 And they're like, oh, I don't really know.

00:18:12.000 I don't like rules.

00:18:13.000 You know, they don't really know.

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 It's true.

00:18:16.000 It looks astro-turf.

00:18:17.000 So astro-turf.

00:18:18.000 It usually is.

00:18:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:19.000 There's usually like, you know, I keep on bringing it back to the European ones, but it's just interesting when you see them all around.

00:18:23.000 I saw another one in Serbia, and the government, there was a big protest going on in Belgrade, you guys might have seen over the past few months.

00:18:30.000 And the government was paying for a whole entire encampment of protesters across the road from the parliament building.

00:18:37.000 And we walked past it and we were just looking, and they were all just completely paid protesters.

00:18:40.000 And it makes me wonder every time I see a big European sort of revolution like this, is it a color revolution?

00:18:45.000 Who's paying for it?

00:18:46.000 Where's the money coming from?

00:18:47.000 Well, I mean, the great myth is that revolutions occur because at the grassroots, foreign working class people decided that the revolution needed to happen.

00:18:56.000 It's virtually always either wealthy or upper middle class people who start agitating and then they try to use their influence to get people beneath them in social circumstances.

00:19:04.000 He was just talking about this.

00:19:06.000 Yeah, hasn't the status really been the historic status that it's elites who want to move to the next step in power that are often going down to the rabble and telling them about how that guy over there, he's eating way too much of their steak.

00:19:21.000 Well, there's a massive one on his plate as well.

00:19:23.000 Exactly.

00:19:24.000 That's 90% of what my research is about, is about how social movements are not grassroots.

00:19:30.000 They're almost always social engineering from the top down.

00:19:32.000 A good example of what Jake was talking about with those European protests and like Gloria Steinem was first recruited by the CIA out of Smith College to go to Europe and go to these youth festivals and promote feminist propaganda.

00:19:48.000 It's almost always bought and paid for.

00:19:50.000 It's almost never in these Christian European countries.

00:19:52.000 We were just talking about this the other day.

00:19:53.000 We were talking about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and about how Pol Pot, the Mr. Mythology of it is that they were guerrilla warfare fighters, the Khmer Rouge, and they were banished out to the hills for a very long time.

00:20:04.000 And this did happen.

00:20:05.000 And then the CIA sort of organized bombings of northern Cambodia, radicalized a lot of the peasants.

00:20:11.000 But Pol Pot himself was an aristocrat.

00:20:13.000 He went to school in France and was educated by the communists in France.

00:20:17.000 He was a his, I think, his uncle was a prince or something like that.

00:20:21.000 And that's why he was killing all of the people who had any sort of education because they could do counter-propaganda and assist.

00:20:30.000 I mean, both sides need their elites.

00:20:32.000 Conservatives have always been wrong about this, right?

00:20:35.000 We do need to have smart people in conservative politics who are intellectuals.

00:20:40.000 We do actually need that. 1.00

00:20:41.000 It's just that now the idea of stodgy intellectualism is like, well, that's boring and stupid and we hate it. 0.97

00:20:48.000 And I don't blame, but I think intellectualism itself can be presented in a different way than the, well, that type of thing. 0.97

00:20:57.000 But that's what Pol Pot was worried about, right?

00:21:00.000 He was worried about educated people being able to push back against anybody with glasses, anybody with an education, anybody who had any standing in society, they just killed them.

00:21:09.000 Well, and this is exactly right.

00:21:11.000 Part of the problem, too, is that this is not just a modern problem, though we see it often in the modern world.

00:21:15.000 It's a human problem.

00:21:16.000 But the reality is, authority exists for the subordinate, and you should recognize as a noble person in a position of authority.

00:21:22.000 The reason I'm an intellectual is to actually meet the needs of the people.

00:21:25.000 This is essentially a division of labor.

00:21:27.000 I'm extremely intelligent.

00:21:28.000 I also have the time and resources to study and learn things that your average person can't, so I can help direct society in a positive direction.

00:21:35.000 But intellectualism does not have that same status that it used to among people because we know the intellectual class does not care about us and hasn't cared about us.

00:21:42.000 They have no real world.

00:21:43.000 Marxists have captured the institutions of America.

00:21:46.000 Yes, we've just surrendered academia to Marxists.

00:21:49.000 And you look at the way in which a lot of them operate, it's like they've never really existed in the real world.

00:21:54.000 Imagine going from high school being a high-achieving student to the university.

00:21:58.000 And then after that, you get a position as a professor.

00:22:02.000 And then eventually, you know, you get, what's it called when they get like the high-standing position?

00:22:07.000 Tenure.

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 Tenure.

00:22:08.000 You've actually never existed in the real world.

00:22:08.000 You get tenure.

00:22:10.000 You don't know how it works.

00:22:11.000 And I just got to say, all the teachers that I ever had in school growing up or through college, the best ones I ever had were all people who spent time in the private sector.

00:22:19.000 They all knew way more about the subject matter that they were teaching than the ones that hadn't.

00:22:23.000 Because of practical application.

00:22:24.000 Exactly.

00:22:25.000 The worst.

00:22:25.000 That's just theory.

00:22:26.000 The way that this happens, the way that institutional capture happens is, I have an article about this on my sub stack actually with tons of examples and citations.

00:22:35.000 You get big foundations with tons of money, like the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation.

00:22:40.000 There's tons of them.

00:22:41.000 They're everywhere.

00:22:42.000 These big, huge NGOs.

00:22:44.000 And what they do is they find kind of like radical academics who are going to push the agenda they want.

00:22:49.000 They'll create a position for that person or a scholarship for that person and get them seated in an institution with a lot of influence under the contract that you're going to push this agenda that we want. 0.95

00:23:02.000 And that's how they do it.

00:23:04.000 Because people think this is like conspiracy theory stuff.

00:23:06.000 It's very simple.

00:23:07.000 Yes.

00:23:07.000 Well, that's the thing, right?

00:23:08.000 Human systems are easier to manipulate in a certain respect than a lot of people think.

00:23:14.000 And one of the things I've got this buddy Arn McIntyre, and he's been on the show a couple of times, but what he points out very often, and I think correctly so, is that democracies essentially just ruled by mass media.

00:23:24.000 You can simplify these things in a way that helps you understand it's not just this needlessly abstract and complex system.

00:23:30.000 There's like buttons that you can push very easily.

00:23:32.000 And you're absolutely correct.

00:23:34.000 You just get some people with the right funding to create a specific scholarship or position at a university to put some Marxist theorists that you like in there.

00:23:42.000 All of a sudden, you've reshaped the minds of literally hundreds, even thousands of students.

00:23:48.000 Yep.

00:23:50.000 There's a capability crisis, also, a capability crisis, and that's getting worse and worse and worse.

00:23:55.000 So, an easy example: the last time you went and got a fast food burger, you know exactly what I'm talking about with a capability crisis, okay?

00:24:04.000 And but it's all sectors of society you'll find this in.

00:24:07.000 By the way, you can't show yourself at a drive-thru after the show ends because they'll know that you said that.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:12.000 Exactly.

00:24:13.000 They're capable of doing that.

00:24:14.000 Let me ask you, but let me ask you a question.

00:24:16.000 Let's say that you happen to be a capable individual, and just because you're just a little bit more capable than most of the people around you, you're able to subvert an entire institution because it's not that hard.

00:24:28.000 Right?

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:29.000 Systems over time, they become kind of decadent, and the rules and processes become more important than the spirit of what those rules and processes were there for.

00:24:39.000 And when you just get a slightly capable person in there, they can easily bend an entire institution to their will.

00:24:45.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 And so, but the thing is, don't they kind of have incentive to be bad guys when you think about it?

00:24:52.000 If you're able to so easily do that, wouldn't you easily look around and be like, well, I'm clearly the most capable person around.

00:24:59.000 People should do what I say.

00:25:02.000 And so it seems to me like, you know, Marxists also, they were masters of this, masters of going into institutions that had these kind of sort of rigid rules that had lost the spirit of what the rules were there for.

00:25:14.000 And they just weaponized them, took them over quickly and went, well, we're the most capable.

00:25:19.000 That's why we're winning.

00:25:20.000 And that's exactly why society should march to our drum, right?

00:25:23.000 Yeah, well, that's exactly the problem with having rules based in a high-trust society now applying to a low-trust society.

00:25:29.000 That's right.

00:25:30.000 These institutions all existed at a time where the rules made sense because people could generally trust one another.

00:25:35.000 They were on board with the same projects.

00:25:37.000 We're not in that position anymore.

00:25:39.000 I mean, not even close.

00:25:41.000 Not even close.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, now we're in a position where I've talked about this a lot, but we're in a position where Americanism and the ideas behind the founding are being weaponized against us, against America.

00:25:53.000 This idea that anyone can come here and be American.

00:25:56.000 And to be American means that you can be a Hindu socialist and become mayor of one of our major cities or something like that.

00:26:05.000 As the founders intended, of course.

00:26:06.000 Yeah, of course.

00:26:07.000 As the founders intended to do that.

00:26:08.000 And then if you don't know what they're doing.

00:26:09.000 That's what they died for in the revolutionary.

00:26:10.000 That's what they died for in World War II.

00:26:13.000 That's what my grandpa fought.

00:26:14.000 The idea that anyone can come here and be an American was totally refuted with the Iraq war, right? 0.94

00:26:21.000 The idea that we could go into Iraq, we could install Jeffersonian democracy, and they would love it, and they would automatically turn into Republic-loving Americans was proven definitively wrong.

00:26:35.000 The idea that you can take people from societies like that, bring them to the United States, and they will then become Jefferson, you know, lovers of Jeffersonian democracy.

00:26:46.000 They will automatically love our liberal, you know, liberal society.

00:26:50.000 That is flat out wrong.

00:26:53.000 It's totally wrong.

00:26:54.000 100%.

00:26:55.000 And to continue to behave as such will not make people into Jeffersonian Democrat democracy lovers.

00:26:55.000 100% wrong.

00:27:03.000 It will make America more like the places that they came from. 1.00

00:27:07.000 It will not make those people into Americans. 0.79

00:27:10.000 Look at Minneapolis.

00:27:11.000 Look at Dearborn, Michigan.

00:27:12.000 Look at New York City right now.

00:27:14.000 These places are like, if you would have told, I was 21 years old when 9-11 happened.

00:27:21.000 And if you would have told me then in the aftermath of 9-11, for those of us Gen Xers and older who really remember that time period of the whole country for the only time, you know, in the last 25 years, we're all like really united around this idea of like proud to be an American and defending our country.

00:27:38.000 And like, we're going to get whoever did this kind of thing.

00:27:40.000 If you would have told me then that 25 years later we're going to elect a socialist Muslim mayor of that same city that just went through 9-11, I would have never believed you. 0.99

00:27:52.000 I would have found it impossible to believe at the time.

00:27:52.000 It's interesting.

00:27:54.000 There were actually public opinion polls that showed that people began viewing Islam more favorably after 9-11.

00:28:00.000 A large part of that was because there was this massive push by the institutions to say that we should really feel bad for victims of Islamophobia.

00:28:07.000 But it's always hilarious because you can poke holes in these ways of thinking so easily.

00:28:12.000 They'll say, well, you know, 9-11 happened, but then innocent, peaceful Muslims who didn't do anything wrong got blamed.

00:28:19.000 So they're the real victims.

00:28:21.000 I'm like, well, hold on.

00:28:22.000 Well, Islamophobia happened, but innocent non-Muslims who aren't Islamophobic got blamed.

00:28:27.000 So we're the real victims of Islamophobia. 0.97

00:28:29.000 Actually, they got completely and utterly screwed by this. 0.79

00:28:32.000 Islamophobia has been all the hype over the last few decades. 0.53

00:28:35.000 And you've got guys like Mehdi Hassan who are at the forefront pushing that in the UK.

00:28:40.000 He was there for decades as this sort of intellectual, but he's not a liberal.

00:28:44.000 He poses as a liberal.

00:28:45.000 Or an intellectual.

00:28:46.000 And he goes and subverts the United Kingdom political system.

00:28:51.000 But we know there's videos of him saying, I view non-believers in Allah as cattle, right?

00:28:57.000 That's right.

00:28:57.000 And then he moves over to the United States.

00:28:59.000 And I don't know how the left don't see this.

00:29:00.000 He is a subverter through and through.

00:29:02.000 When you ask them, they do see it.

00:29:04.000 They think they want to engage in subversion with him.

00:29:08.000 They believe that they will be able to convert.

00:29:11.000 They will be able to convert him to a liberal orthodoxy.

00:29:16.000 He will not be converted to a liberal orthodoxy.

00:29:19.000 Every single time a left-leaning liberal, whatever you want to call it, person has aligned with an Islamist, the Islamists win. 1.00

00:29:27.000 Because once the Islamists are given power, they will cut the heads off of people. 0.99

00:29:32.000 This is the dilemma. 0.99

00:29:34.000 The same dilemma that they've got in the UK at the moment.

00:29:35.000 It's the feminist dilemma. 1.00

00:29:37.000 Feminists are out there in the streets saying, mass migration, you know, immigrants are welcome here. 1.00

00:29:42.000 And then they get over there and all of the immigrants are like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, feminism, cool. 1.00

00:29:46.000 And it's like, they actually think, these liberals, that these people will arrive on the shores of England or America and they will all of a sudden realize their internal yearnings for democracy.

00:29:54.000 Right.

00:29:55.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 Feminism.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, it's a fantastic point.

00:29:58.000 We were, again, we were discussing this the other night when we're doing debate prep.

00:30:02.000 It is, in fact, the case that Islam, you know, Islam hates progressives. 0.93

00:30:08.000 I mean, they hate progressives. 0.99

00:30:09.000 They're a special kind of hate.

00:30:11.000 But if progressives are the ones advocating that we bring in more, then they will vote along those party lines to get their cousins in and to get their fathers in and to get their brother husbands.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 They'll vote to get all those people in.

00:30:27.000 And then they'll look over and they'll say, okay, now we're in charge.

00:30:31.000 Guess what's going to happen to you?

00:30:33.000 You're exactly right.

00:30:35.000 The question becomes this, though, is like, it's so obvious that that's going on, right?

00:30:40.000 How is it that these people are able to hold these cross-generational plans for this? 0.96

00:30:45.000 And Christians are so incapable. 1.00

00:30:47.000 We're so incapable of thinking about Christians who built these hundreds of years cathedrals. 0.97

00:30:53.000 You know, it took them hundreds and hundreds of years to finish these great works.

00:30:57.000 And now suddenly we're totally blind and we can't do any sort of cross-generational planning.

00:31:02.000 We've been infected by liberalism.

00:31:04.000 And here's all these atomized individuals are not part of an unbroken list.

00:31:07.000 These guys do, and that's what they're doing in the UK.

00:31:10.000 And they're like, yes, absolutely.

00:31:11.000 We're all for the liberals.

00:31:13.000 We love the liberals.

00:31:14.000 I heart liberals.

00:31:15.000 I was listening to Darrell Cooper's podcast, The Fear and Loathing of the New Jerusalem. 0.65

00:31:19.000 And he made a really good point that we, like you said, Seamus, we are atomized sort of people and we don't really have this unbroken line.

00:31:27.000 But if you go to speak to those guys and you ask them who they are, you'll have to take a seat because father is this person from this place, third of my line, whatever it is.

00:31:36.000 But you tell us, and we're like, you know, I'm Jay, Cody YouTube channel.

00:31:41.000 We don't really know who we are anymore and where we come from.

00:31:44.000 I think it's all because of a world of World War II.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, no sense of identity anymore.

00:31:49.000 Yeah.

00:31:50.000 Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right.

00:31:51.000 And one more thing I'll mention about this is you pointed out the fact that obviously Islam is incompatible with progressive ideologies and they hate progressives. 0.93

00:31:59.000 And I think there's a certain kind of progressive on the ground who's a young, dumb, starry-eyed person who doesn't see that incompatibility, or they think that Muslims are going to be grateful to them or agree with them. 0.99

00:32:09.000 But the true believers at the top know Muslims hate them and want to kill them and they don't care because they're fundamentally suicidal. 0.99

00:32:15.000 And they also know that Muslims want to kill Christians and that's enough for them, basically. 1.00

00:32:18.000 If you will attack Christians with them, then you are their ally because that's their ultimate goal. 1.00

00:32:23.000 Yep.

00:32:24.000 I think that there's a, I think that you're right to a degree, but I do think that at the end of the day, they think that their worldview can essentially think that they can force their will on Islam. 0.91

00:32:39.000 I think the starry-eyed ones do.

00:32:40.000 I think it's ridiculous to think that, but I think that the people that people that want to see the U.S. like torn down, I think they believe that once you, because the way that the left looks at the U.S. and Western society is they see all the bad things and they say, if we just tear it down, all of the good things will remain.

00:32:59.000 We tear things down, not because they're just looking to destroy the society.

00:33:02.000 That's not really the goal.

00:33:04.000 They believe that when you tear things down, the good stuff remains, right?

00:33:08.000 The concept is Alfhaven.

00:33:10.000 It's to destroy as well as to prop up, right?

00:33:14.000 But maybe there's an easier explanation for it.

00:33:17.000 Maybe it's just that the same way that Christians no longer think in terms of identity for cross-generational planning, maybe progressives really don't anymore either. 0.60

00:33:27.000 And they're looking at the here and now, just like most of Western society, we have, and if you look at the way Western society is set up, even in democracy, it's this way, right?

00:33:37.000 It's like you're in for four years.

00:33:39.000 What cross-generational plan are those guys?

00:33:41.000 Exactly.

00:33:42.000 Almost nothing, right?

00:33:43.000 We set everything up for like, gimme, gimme now, gimme now, give me now, identity now, give me now.

00:33:48.000 How do we orange?

00:33:49.000 There's no cross-generational plans.

00:33:51.000 And it's like, maybe progressives don't really have one.

00:33:54.000 Maybe their plan right now is just this looks like it's inequality and we need to put a stop to it.

00:33:59.000 And the people they're bringing in, though, are capable of that.

00:34:02.000 So do you think that the system that the kind of liberal democracies that we live in, do you think that those are a cause of the atomized individuals?

00:34:11.000 Yes.

00:34:12.000 Yes, of course. 1.00

00:34:13.000 Look, universal suffrage is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Yes, absolutely. 1.00

00:34:19.000 And I agree 100%.

00:34:20.000 And the thing is, is like our founders knew it.

00:34:23.000 They didn't trust the electorate.

00:34:25.000 Why they didn't instantiate it.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, why the hell would you ever trust the electorate?

00:34:27.000 They didn't, not for a second.

00:34:30.000 And when left to their own devices, under the Articles of Confederation, the states didn't trust the electorate.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, but to your point, and I want to make this, I want to articulate this so that way people listening can at least think of it through this way, right?

00:34:42.000 People will swear up and down that it's super important that everybody has the right to vote, right?

00:34:47.000 It's a fundamental right.

00:34:48.000 It's so important, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:34:50.000 Then you ask that very same person, how many people do you interact with during the day that are stupid? 1.00

00:34:56.000 And they're going to say, oh, at least half the people. 1.00

00:34:58.000 So then why do you want those people to vote? 1.00

00:35:00.000 If you believe that half the people that you interact with, or more maybe, are stupid, right? 1.00

00:35:06.000 They can barely get through the day. 1.00

00:35:07.000 You're amazed that they can drive a car, you know, that they can do simple things.

00:35:12.000 If you can't fathom these people managing their day-to-day life, why on earth do you want them to be?

00:35:18.000 Well, if you don't trust a person's wise enough to be the president of the United States until they're 35, why do you trust a person to be wise enough to vote for them until they're 35?

00:35:25.000 You don't even think women can pick who they want to date until they're 25 because they're francological. 0.99

00:35:29.000 Yeah, they're free from the load.

00:35:30.000 But they can vote.

00:35:31.000 Or be on OnlyFans.

00:35:32.000 You can join OnlyFans at 18 years old.

00:35:35.000 But I never heard a good reason for why some blue-haired, wannabe Marxist, tofu-eating university student should be able to vote.

00:35:42.000 I've never heard it.

00:35:43.000 Well, let's just say what's true is that the reason we have universal suffrage is not because anybody thought that was the best idea.

00:35:50.000 That was put into place because then all that elections become and all that democracy becomes is a big dog and pony show where it's just propaganda.

00:36:00.000 It's just who has the most money and the most ads.

00:36:02.000 Well, it becomes a shadow front for like what the real government is.

00:36:07.000 We've been talking about the deep state since 2016.

00:36:10.000 And as long as you have one person, one vote, and you're bussing in illegal people or dead people are voting and all these other crazy things, it just creates like a fog of war where the people who are really running things behind the scenes can get away with murder and do whatever they want.

00:36:25.000 And to take a page from my old libertarian days when I was younger, as Hans Hermann Hoppe would say, democracy always tends towards the franchise being universalized over time.

00:36:38.000 Honestly, just learning a bit more about the Catholic faith did, but I'll mention this too, because we've said a couple things about the fact that universal voting obviously isn't a great idea.

00:36:49.000 The founders didn't think it was a great idea.

00:36:51.000 I said this the other day.

00:36:52.000 We essentially have a system that's set up in such a way where if a problem needs to be solved and the solution is going to involve short-term pain and take more than four years to solve, then you can't solve it.

00:37:04.000 But thank goodness none of our problems can be described that way.

00:37:08.000 Like, thank goodness, no serious issue in the world takes more than four years to deal with.

00:37:11.000 All the things which are perceived as strengths we are now seeing in modernity are really big detriments.

00:37:18.000 Like checks and balances, for instance, that slows the government to such a slog and crawl that nothing gets done when it's important that it does.

00:37:30.000 We have a government shutdown right now, for instance, right?

00:37:34.000 All slogged in partisan politics, right?

00:37:37.000 Checks and balances preventing anything from being done about this.

00:37:41.000 And it's because the distrust was so high that they'd rather see the government doing nothing than anything.

00:37:47.000 Yeah, than anything.

00:37:48.000 And so the thing is, is like that should give you some insight into what our originators and founders thought of universal suffrage.

00:37:57.000 Like, what a terrible idea.

00:37:59.000 What a terrible idea.

00:38:00.000 Another good example of this as well is that like one of the biggest problems we've got is obviously the birth rates.

00:38:05.000 We talked about this a lot.

00:38:06.000 We have a demographic crisis across the West.

00:38:08.000 How does it mean?

00:38:09.000 And it's, by the way, it's like brewing across the world in general.

00:38:12.000 The UN has had these predictions for years about when population is going to peak and then start to decrease.

00:38:17.000 And they're like actually really optimistic about when the peak is going to happen.

00:38:20.000 It looks like it's probably going to happen sooner, but I'm not an expert.

00:38:22.000 But I mean like South Korea 0.7.

00:38:26.000 I was just talking to them upstairs about how I've got a friend who's in the South Korean military and they are literally finding South Korean specimen men who are above six feet tall and they are paying them good money for their for their load, basically to go and try and repopulate, to try and create what we were calling the Uber Korean.

00:38:46.000 Imagine if there was just a system set up where men and women created children together. 1.00

00:38:51.000 Imagine if there was just a way to do that.

00:38:53.000 Imagine people got married and all on this, on this.

00:38:57.000 But what would a politician realistically do, right?

00:38:59.000 If you're going to be campaigning, are you going to come out and say, all right, ladies, back to the kitchen, back to the kitchen. 0.96

00:39:06.000 We need to go in.

00:39:07.000 We need to start making love, making babies, making families, or just open the back door and just bring in a bunch of migrants. 1.00

00:39:15.000 Well, kick the can down the road.

00:39:15.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 Or even better, you have to pander to that, to that vote, right?

00:39:21.000 So now, unfortunately, that block gets to control whether or not you get any power or not anyway.

00:39:27.000 And so even if it's necessary that you need to move something in society that moves you towards birth rates, if it disaffects any tiny block that could be the swing block for your vote, that pandering completely destroys your ability to make any of those movements happen.

00:39:43.000 And so it's like, for all the goods that you can point to, man, there sure are a lot of bads.

00:39:48.000 That's right.

00:39:49.000 Well, speaking of bad things that are going on in the world, White House officials are even acknowledging that they're unhappy about the 50-year mortgage idea released by top housing official sources.

00:39:59.000 This is from CBS News.

00:40:01.000 A proposal for a 50-year mortgage wasn't fully vetted by top Trump administration officials and wasn't ready to be made public, sources told CBS News, you don't say.

00:40:11.000 Over the weekend, top federal housing official Bill Poult floated the idea with President Trump and then approved a truth social post.

00:40:19.000 Some Trump officials this week vented their frustration with him over the new over the move.

00:40:24.000 One source said Mr. Trump was lukewarm about the suggestion and announced it. 0.94

00:40:29.000 Shut up about it. 0.79

00:40:30.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

00:40:32.000 Good old Donald Trump.

00:40:34.000 So we were speaking about this yesterday.

00:40:36.000 What do you guys think this is?

00:40:37.000 You think this is just backtracking from the administration?

00:40:39.000 Do you think it was released when it was half baked and they realized that they made a mistake?

00:40:43.000 Or do you think that they love this idea and now they're doing damage control?

00:40:46.000 Well, I have a take that may not be that popular.

00:40:50.000 Oh, let me hear it.

00:40:51.000 I better throw out an unpopular take here so we don't all just say, yeah.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, yeah, so we don't agree.

00:40:56.000 I was talking to a very, very rich real estate mogul who pointed something out to me.

00:41:02.000 This was when we were in Vegas, in fact.

00:41:05.000 We were discussing housing and how that's usually always a safe bet for your money.

00:41:09.000 And one of the reasons he said it was is he's like, look, let's say you go get a mortgage right tomorrow.

00:41:14.000 You're young.

00:41:14.000 It's your first house.

00:41:15.000 It's an FHA loan, something like that.

00:41:18.000 And you're set in your mortgage price for like $3,000 a month.

00:41:21.000 Like, that's a lot of money for the average person.

00:41:24.000 But in 10 years, it won't be.

00:41:25.000 That's right.

00:41:26.000 And then in 20 years, it really won't be. 0.99

00:41:28.000 And in 25 years, it won't seem like it's shit. 0.98

00:41:30.000 And everybody else will be paying $10,000 a month for their mortgage and you're at this fixed rate, right? 0.97

00:41:36.000 Then what you can do is you can pay that house off extremely quickly because you're at a fixed rate.

00:41:41.000 So these 50 years fixed, it is possible.

00:41:44.000 Now, I haven't crunched the math because I only just now started looking at this.

00:41:48.000 I understand you're going to be paying a shitload more interest and things like this.

00:41:51.000 But if it's the case that you're looking at long-term planning for paying off your house quickly and you're banking on inflation, it could actually be a great idea so that young people can get houses now at a more affordable rate and pay them off way quicker after 10 years if you're banking on inflation.

00:42:08.000 And you should be banking on inflation.

00:42:10.000 I think that's the problem, though.

00:42:11.000 I think that's what made people so upset about this is it's like, why are we doing this?

00:42:16.000 Like, here's a terrible system.

00:42:18.000 Let's create a band-aid fix that makes us feel better about it and at least kind of guards against inflation a little bit.

00:42:24.000 And it's like, how about we just don't do more actual usury on top of this ridiculous system that we have that does create perpetual cycles of boom and bust and perpetual inflation?

00:42:36.000 Like these things can't go on forever.

00:42:38.000 And we've been saying this my whole lifetime that this system needs to change, that the debt-based economy needs to change, that the central banking stuff needs to go.

00:42:47.000 And I think people are just sick.

00:42:49.000 Everybody wants that.

00:42:50.000 I feel like everybody really wants the underlying problems to be fixed.

00:42:53.000 And they see this as just like a very goofy, like, oh, yeah, sure.

00:42:57.000 Let me just pay more than double what this house is actually worth.

00:43:01.000 Well, it's actually, I think what the 50-year fix is much closer to like triple.

00:43:05.000 Well, and this is the concern about it is even though you're right that some people over the term of the mortgage will be able to get a better payment because it's fixed than because, of course, over 50 years and inflation is going to just be completely out of control.

00:43:17.000 The issue, though, is that as soon as the average person's buying power increases because they can get a 50-year mortgage, the cost of housing is just going to continue to increase.

00:43:28.000 So they're trying to prevent the market correction with this, I think.

00:43:30.000 And it's a correction that just has to happen if young people are ever going to be able to buy homes.

00:43:33.000 I mean, the cost of housing is going to increase anyway.

00:43:36.000 I think it's true.

00:43:37.000 I think this is going to make it worse.

00:43:38.000 And also, so before we had the 30-year mortgage, I mean, before the Great Depression, mortgages were usually on like five-year terms.

00:43:44.000 And now that we have, and then it went to 15 and 20 and then 30.

00:43:49.000 And housing prices like multiplied by four or five.

00:43:53.000 And that's not all attributable to that, but it did a lot to replace.

00:43:56.000 But look at the population then.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, the developers.

00:43:59.000 Developers are so bullish on the property market.

00:44:01.000 Like in Australia right now, they are for sure.

00:44:03.000 In America, it would be something similar because there's just not enough houses to fill the. 0.98

00:44:08.000 As long as that's the case, the prices are good.

00:44:09.000 You have to build where there's water.

00:44:11.000 Yeah.

00:44:11.000 Right.

00:44:12.000 So you have a major restriction there.

00:44:14.000 All the huge cities are built basically where there's water.

00:44:16.000 There's a few exceptions, but not many.

00:44:20.000 And so if that's the case, it's like, yeah, people are always saying, you know, the United States, it's very unpopulated.

00:44:26.000 And it's like, yeah, for the landmass, but not every landmass is all that inhabitable.

00:44:31.000 So you got to look at that.

00:44:33.000 And then you got to look at how can you get young people?

00:44:36.000 Because the biggest complaint that I hear from 20-somethings is I can't get a house.

00:44:41.000 And that's a serious, serious problem.

00:44:42.000 That's not a small thing.

00:44:43.000 Well, and if you want to control for birth rates and you want to control for family units, the idea that young people need to be able to buy a home, tantamount.

00:44:52.000 It's 100%.

00:44:53.000 I mean, it's something that should be focused on.

00:44:56.000 Do I like the idea?

00:44:58.000 No, not at all.

00:45:00.000 But I'm going to at least look first before I ditch it at a silver lining.

00:45:04.000 If you're looking at the fact that we know for sure Trump's only going to be there for a few more years, we can expect there's going to be more Democrat presidents who come in, more Democrat organizations.

00:45:14.000 They're going to do these massive welfare gimme-gimmies. 1.00

00:45:17.000 And that's going to increase the flow of money supply, therefore increase inflation, right?

00:45:23.000 If that's the case, you're going to have to Kamala's idea of just more housing projects. 1.00

00:45:27.000 Yeah, when you buy houses, don't you want to be in a market where you know that there's going to be inflation if you have a fixed rate?

00:45:33.000 Of course, of course you do.

00:45:35.000 I mean, it's like it benefits you greatly.

00:45:38.000 So it is something to look at that there could possibly be silver lining here.

00:45:41.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:45:42.000 Now, I know it's an unpopularity.

00:45:43.000 I think it's a band-aid, and I think it's going to make it worse overall.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, it is a huge problem, though.

00:45:47.000 I mean, you were talking about the birth rates.

00:45:49.000 Like, as much as the cultural issues and everything are a massive contributor, it's also urbanization.

00:45:54.000 You go to places like Japan and South Korea who have the lowest birth rates in the world, go to Tokyo or go to Seoul, and they're crammed in to tiny little one-bedroom apartments like this.

00:46:03.000 They don't want to have kids.

00:46:04.000 And it's a similar thing in the Western countries.

00:46:07.000 You go into this little one-bedroom apartment and what do they call them?

00:46:10.000 Coffee apartments. 0.96

00:46:11.000 Yeah, they say that we're dinks. 0.96

00:46:12.000 Dual income, no kids. 0.84

00:46:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:46:14.000 They become dinks. 0.99

00:46:15.000 Yeah, we're dinks. 0.99

00:46:16.000 And they make those TikToks. 0.99

00:46:18.000 They're like, oh, we're dinks. 0.92

00:46:19.000 We don't have kids. 0.98

00:46:20.000 We can do whatever we want.

00:46:21.000 Bro, I got to make a TikTok where I'm like, I don't have a rescue dog, huh?

00:46:24.000 Like, I don't have to take care of a little animal.

00:46:26.000 Like, oh, this is my rescue dog free life.

00:46:28.000 I don't have to wake up in the morning to take him outside.

00:46:31.000 If you ever did that, people would lose their minds.

00:46:33.000 But if you do the exact same thing about having children, they go, you go, girl. 0.96

00:46:36.000 There was a guy that just interviewed people at like some kind of leftist rally and he was talking about like that they're aborting puppies.

00:46:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:43.000 Did you see that?

00:46:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:44.000 And they were like, that's horrible.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 He was explaining abortion as though they were doing it to puppies and how horrible it was.

00:46:51.000 And the people were like, oh, my God, we have to stop this.

00:46:52.000 It's so terrible.

00:46:53.000 Until they started to slowly realize he was talking to some people and they were like, it's funny, though, the dink thing, it runs contrary to every single kind of a philosopher over the last 2,000 years who's looked at the problem of meaning. 0.85

00:47:08.000 And so I always try to explain it to people like this.

00:47:11.000 Think of it like a survival craft RPG.

00:47:14.000 What makes that RPG so much fun is gathering all the resources and then spending them, right?

00:47:20.000 It's spending all the resources because that's the time sink on this, on this, on this.

00:47:24.000 Once you've built everything, the game's not fun anymore.

00:47:26.000 That's right.

00:47:27.000 It's not fun anymore.

00:47:29.000 And one of the things about having a family and kids is that you're out there crafting all the resources, right?

00:47:35.000 And there's a sink.

00:47:36.000 There's like kind of this endless sink for resources.

00:47:39.000 And it's like. 0.96

00:47:40.000 Often what will happen with these people is, well, they get all the things that they want and they have no more fucking purpose or meaning, right?

00:47:47.000 Well, it's so bizarre too, because you're correct that every philosopher worth their salt acknowledged that the family unit was the cornerstone of civilization and it gave people meaning. 0.91

00:47:58.000 But even the barbarians wanted to have children. 0.99

00:48:02.000 They didn't want to take care of them or they wanted to have them with multiple different women, but they wanted to have children. 0.74

00:48:09.000 The idea of I want to end my bloodline so that I can focus on little pleasures in life is so emasculating and embarrassing. 0.98

00:48:18.000 It's not even something that stupid people thought hundreds of years ago. 0.99

00:48:22.000 Well, even their demon gods were like, got to have kids who are going to torture. 1.00

00:48:25.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.76

00:48:26.000 We're going to sacrifice.

00:48:28.000 That was the sacrifice.

00:48:29.000 Now we've got people who are like, but I want to go to the Taylor Swift concert and the music festival and everything on the weekends.

00:48:35.000 And I don't really want to have torturers.

00:48:36.000 Well, and it's just a very decadent lifestyle.

00:48:39.000 And what it does is it moves away from what we're trying to see in society anyway.

00:48:43.000 Now, it's not a perfect analogy, obviously, the survival craft thing.

00:48:47.000 But the point is, what we're talking about is meaning.

00:48:50.000 And meaning people, if you poll people, have children, things like this, they almost always way higher on happiness index than people who don't.

00:48:59.000 And the reason is, is because of meaning.

00:49:02.000 You have great meaning that comes with your bloodline continuing.

00:49:05.000 And from an evolutionary model, even, isn't that the primary edict?

00:49:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:09.000 If you're just an evolutionist, you believe that we're the product of some randomized Darwinistic process, then you should recognize that, of course, that process is going to reward you psychologically for having children.

00:49:20.000 We wouldn't have gotten very far as a species if it didn't.

00:49:22.000 But yeah, they argue that you shouldn't have children.

00:49:26.000 You shouldn't have a family.

00:49:27.000 You're a much better consumer if you don't.

00:49:28.000 So it works for the system.

00:49:30.000 But it's just a very jarring thing.

00:49:32.000 One thing people get horrified by nowadays is if you say something to them like, oh, it would be good if you had a family or if it would be good if you had kids.

00:49:39.000 That is like a shocking statement that really offends people.

00:49:42.000 But people will constantly say, well, you know, there are some people who just shouldn't have kids.

00:49:46.000 You're allowed to tell people that they shouldn't have kids, which is far, far more insulting. 0.63

00:49:50.000 But if you tell somebody that they should, all of a sudden you're a monster. 0.73

00:49:53.000 But that was a blessing for all of history to say, to tell someone, I hope you don't reproduce. 1.00

00:50:00.000 It's like not a kind thing to say.

00:50:02.000 I just had a lady tell me the other night on the whatever podcast that my life would have been much better had I deleted my children. 0.69

00:50:08.000 She's a sick person, but she's trying to make herself feel better about her own decisions. 0.98

00:50:08.000 That's insane. 0.98

00:50:11.000 Well, that's why you say something like that.

00:50:13.000 That's exactly what she said.

00:50:14.000 She said, if I were in your shoes, I would have had a much better time doing that.

00:50:17.000 And it's like, my dad gave me this great piece of advice when I was young.

00:50:20.000 We were talking about some women in our lives that we knew who had like massive self-esteem problems and never gained any self-confidence and they become these black holes. 1.00

00:50:31.000 And he said, they all think that self-esteem comes from other people telling you, oh, you're good enough and you're beautiful the way you are.

00:50:38.000 And he said, that's not where self-esteem comes from.

00:50:40.000 It comes from doing difficult things and persevering and learning that you can trust yourself to handle tough things.

00:50:46.000 That's exactly right.

00:50:47.000 Like, can I trust me?

00:50:49.000 Am I able to, not does everyone pat me on the back and tell me how great I am?

00:50:52.000 I can trust myself to handle this and follow through and do hard things.

00:50:55.000 And then as you do those hard things, you build actual self-esteem and actual confidence.

00:51:01.000 And that's something that everyone's lacking.

00:51:03.000 Like the younger generation, that's why they're all anxious and depressed and everything.

00:51:07.000 It's like communication skills.

00:51:10.000 No, they can't even talk to people.

00:51:11.000 They can't even talk.

00:51:11.000 There's literally no communion.

00:51:13.000 They have meltdowns if they have to like work more than four hours at a time because it's just they don't believe that they can do anything hard.

00:51:20.000 I knew I had a friend of mine that for a long time, she couldn't call to order a pizza because that kind of interaction was too stressful.

00:51:28.000 These are the also, by the way, like I'm not saying we shouldn't take the problem of left-wing violence seriously because there are lunatics out there who will actually do it.

00:51:34.000 But just so you know, like a lot of the people threatening you on the internet are afraid to make phone calls.

00:51:38.000 They are too afraid to make their own doctor's appointments.

00:51:40.000 Well, one thing, one thing I'd point out is actually because of the rate of mental illness on the left, the rhetoric that they use is 10 times worse, even if it's similar to that of right-wingers.

00:51:51.000 Let's just say it was.

00:51:52.000 It's worse. 0.96

00:51:53.000 It's still 10 times worse because their appeal is always to that lunatic fringe. 0.98

00:51:57.000 It's always to the craziest people. 0.98

00:52:00.000 And those crazy people, they're always in their Discords.

00:52:03.000 You ever go to like a Destiny Discord?

00:52:05.000 Oh my God.

00:52:06.000 You ever go to a Vosh Discord? 1.00

00:52:07.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:52:09.000 Like it's, yeah, it's hell on wheels in the lowest common denominator of people. 1.00

00:52:14.000 And they're the sickest, craziest people you can imagine. 0.99

00:52:17.000 And they're the easiest to influence. 0.99

00:52:18.000 Well, I've said this a number of times on the show.

00:52:20.000 I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but my argument is that leftism is just a word we use to describe the intellectual rationalization for social decay.

00:52:28.000 Whenever someone doesn't want to do what they're supposed to do and they find a highfalutin argument to, you know, cover their laziness or their basically viciousness, they call it leftist theory.

00:52:38.000 Anytime some leftist comes out with a new groundbreaking theory, it's just like why I shouldn't have a bedtime, why I should be able to eat fruit snacks all day.

00:52:45.000 You know, it's just another version of them trying to force their childishness.

00:52:49.000 Their idea of rights is always, what can I do that has no duties associated with it that's more degenerate?

00:52:56.000 Yes.

00:52:56.000 What right to more degeneracy can I have?

00:53:00.000 And so the more degenerate a person is, the more likely they're going to gravitate towards it.

00:53:03.000 Always.

00:53:04.000 And this is the idea. 0.96

00:53:05.000 They are degenerate.

00:53:07.000 The more right it is.

00:53:08.000 I don't even think that they have new arguments.

00:53:09.000 That's right.

00:53:10.000 I don't even think that they have good arguments or new arguments.

00:53:13.000 You know, that post that went viral on Twitter that 90% of debating with leftists is them pretending they don't know what things mean.

00:53:20.000 Yes, millennial woes. 0.78

00:53:22.000 Yeah, and them pretending that what you're saying is incoherent when it's not incoherent.

00:53:27.000 Now, there's people who say incoherent things, but one of the reasons I'm so tough in semantics when I'm debating with leftists is because it holds them to the meanings of what they say.

00:53:37.000 And you've never seen people freak out so bad in your life.

00:53:40.000 I just had this university student, Naima, debated with her, right?

00:53:45.000 Just getting the semantics in order.

00:53:47.000 You've never seen a person panic and freak out more when I just asked her, what does this mean?

00:53:54.000 So I can hold you to that standard.

00:53:56.000 And just watching them freak out because that's important.

00:53:58.000 Because they want to equivocate and use ambiguity so that they don't have to commit to anything.

00:54:03.000 So they just pretend what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

00:54:06.000 And it's like, it's just incredible. 0.99

00:54:08.000 Yeah, these people are crazy. 0.59

00:54:09.000 And people will say the devil's in the details. 0.99

00:54:11.000 I think it's the opposite.

00:54:12.000 I think the devil's in the ambiguity.

00:54:13.000 It's always, how can I get away with saying two things at once?

00:54:16.000 Dude, their most common fallacy in a debate is equivocation.

00:54:21.000 And that's what that is.

00:54:22.000 It's the use of ambiguous language to move between meanings of words when they suit you for the argument that you're making.

00:54:29.000 Now evil doesn't mean that.

00:54:30.000 It means this.

00:54:31.000 Now, you know what I mean?

00:54:32.000 That's right.

00:54:33.000 Now homosexual doesn't mean this.

00:54:35.000 It means that.

00:54:36.000 Now government doesn't mean this.

00:54:39.000 I meant it as this.

00:54:40.000 And that's why pinning.

00:54:42.000 And then they do the snub.

00:54:43.000 Like, you're not educated enough to know what the government knows now.

00:54:46.000 That's the thing.

00:54:46.000 And that's why it's so important to pin them down on semantics in the beginning of a debate because he's absolutely right.

00:54:52.000 They pretend that they just don't understand anything. 0.99

00:54:55.000 It's like, fine, if you're going to pretend that, then I'm going to sit at this fucking table till you do. 0.98

00:54:59.000 We share a vocabulary with the left, but we do not share a dictionary with the left. 0.98

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:05.000 It's not the same definition.

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:07.000 Or just plain meaning.

00:55:09.000 Even words, every definition has limits, but they still have meanings associated with them.

00:55:14.000 And it's like, can we just pretend?

00:55:16.000 Can we stop pretending that they don't?

00:55:18.000 It was the arrogance, though, of that debate, because the beauty of it was that you got her to, she was so arrogant and she was so like spiteful that she just wanted to argue against everything that you said. 0.92

00:55:30.000 So you were able to make her argue against her own worldview.

00:55:35.000 He took on her worldview and argued it as if it was his own.

00:55:38.000 And she was and she just condemned it and said it was crazy and said it was awful.

00:55:42.000 It was awful.

00:55:43.000 And he's like, and that's your position.

00:55:45.000 I want to piggyback off something Phil said because you made a point and it was a joke, but I actually think it was pretty profound and true when you said the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is.

00:55:54.000 I remember making this joke during COVID.

00:55:56.000 And this is a family show, so I'll try to be a little bit careful here.

00:55:59.000 There's also a lady present, so I'll be a little careful with my language. 1.00

00:56:02.000 But they were saying, you can't shout at me.

00:56:04.000 No, no, no, absolutely not.

00:56:06.000 No, no, no, shout out at me.

00:56:07.000 No, no, no.

00:56:09.000 Now that you mention it.

00:56:12.000 What I'm trying to express is like during COVID, can't go to church, right?

00:56:15.000 You can't go to work.

00:56:16.000 You can't feed your family.

00:56:17.000 You can't do these things.

00:56:18.000 And I was like, dude, and they laughed at you.

00:56:22.000 They said, you think your freedom's so important?

00:56:24.000 Like, you just, you're going to prevent anything they say with guns, by the way.

00:56:28.000 Exactly.

00:56:29.000 You think your freedom is so important?

00:56:30.000 People are going to die.

00:56:30.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:56:31.000 They were laughing at you for asserting legitimate freedoms.

00:56:33.000 And I thought this at the time. 0.67

00:56:34.000 I was like, dude, if literally, if the government said that like sodomy increases the likelihood of getting COVID and they tried to restrict it, they would lose their brain.

00:56:42.000 And then what happened?

00:56:43.000 Monkey pox.

00:56:44.000 Monkey clocks happened.

00:56:45.000 And we were told we had to stay locked down and we couldn't go to our jobs.

00:56:50.000 And they had to give the largest transfer of wealth that ever happened in all of history to the richest people in the country.

00:56:54.000 We were told, sit down, shut up, because this virus is serious.

00:56:57.000 But then when it came to monkeypox, it was like, well, we can't tell people not to do that because that's the fundamental right.

00:57:01.000 Because the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is.

00:57:03.000 Andrew just had a guy in a, he had like a five-on-one style debate.

00:57:09.000 And he literally had a guy tell him that this country was way too excited before she finished there.

00:57:14.000 Okay, way too excited.

00:57:15.000 Calm down, Phil.

00:57:16.000 Calm down.

00:57:16.000 Yeah, the guy said to Andrew that America was founded for people to be able to be degenerate.

00:57:22.000 He said that.

00:57:24.000 This is what this guy said to you.

00:57:25.000 He literally said, and Andrew says, no, what's the both of people could be degenerate?

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:30.000 Which was perfect. 0.98

00:57:32.000 It's the most ridiculous thing.

00:57:34.000 Because, you know, one of the things really funny here is we have all these documents.

00:57:40.000 I mean, we have so many of these documents, not just from the founders, but from the contributors, of which there's thousands, thousands of contributors to the Constitution.

00:57:48.000 It's like they, one thing that was of universal agreement for democracy is that you had to have a moral populace.

00:57:55.000 Amen.

00:57:55.000 Yes.

00:57:56.000 Or it wasn't even possible.

00:57:58.000 And we don't.

00:57:59.000 And so it's not.

00:58:01.000 And that's it.

00:58:02.000 That's really that, right?

00:58:03.000 That's that.

00:58:04.000 Well, and that's the crisis in this country right now with respect to government: how do we maintain a style of government made for moral populace when we don't have a moral populace?

00:58:12.000 Right.

00:58:13.000 And people don't want to say it out loud because, oh, well, this is offensive and you can't label the government as having any like religious motivation or underpaintings, but a Christian government.

00:58:20.000 I guess it should.

00:58:20.000 Like, how do you think?

00:58:21.000 I guess it should then.

00:58:22.000 Like, how do you maintain a Christian government or a Christian legal system, which is what we have in essence?

00:58:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:27.000 People are so clear.

00:58:28.000 With a pagan culture. 0.88

00:58:30.000 People are so into knowledge.

00:58:31.000 I'm seeing that debate everywhere.

00:58:32.000 America is not a real Christian country. 0.86

00:58:34.000 Like I heard Vivek Ramaswamy doing a speech the other day, and some kid comes up and asks him, You're a Hindu.

00:58:39.000 How are you going to be president or governor, whatever, if the Hindu values don't align with the Christian values?

00:58:44.000 And he goes, Son, I want to give you a copy of the Constitution.

00:58:48.000 And he gave it.

00:58:48.000 It was like real super condescending.

00:58:50.000 And I was just thinking to myself, if the founders of America had known that there was going to be a Hindu running for president, they would have definitely thought twice, put it that way. 1.00

00:58:59.000 Because if you look at the country.

00:59:00.000 35 would not have been the only requirement.

00:59:03.000 You look at the context of that time.

00:59:05.000 Like, this is a time when they didn't even have any contact with Hindu countries at all.

00:59:09.000 Maybe loosely throughout Europe.

00:59:10.000 Like, the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads maybe just started to make it to Europe.

00:59:14.000 Like, if they had a like, they were not thinking the same back then as they are now.

00:59:19.000 If you thought there was going to be Arab Muslims coming in and being governor of New York, like a mayor of New York, yeah, yeah, it'd be unthinkable for them. 1.00

00:59:25.000 And by the way, what we did in a show with Vivek, I was actually hosting that time.

00:59:29.000 He was a great conversation, smart guy.

00:59:31.000 But yeah, I don't buy this idea that we can just interchange these religions, Christianity and Hinduism.

00:59:36.000 It doesn't work.

00:59:37.000 And you see, you see this rhetoric from more and more people on the right.

00:59:39.000 It's not just him.

00:59:40.000 That's like we're in Deo Christian nation. 0.74

00:59:43.000 It's like, no, like this is not, these are different sets of ideas.

00:59:47.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:59:48.000 You could borrow like five of them in the cabinet.

00:59:50.000 I'm not Hindu, but I will fight for your right to be Hinduism.

00:59:54.000 Any of these things are very incompatible.

00:59:56.000 You can't, yeah, you can't have a new subset of value structures come in and not have conflict with the old.

01:00:04.000 Yeah.

01:00:04.000 Ever.

01:00:04.000 And the thing is, is like you can't also say that you don't want these things to change, these amendments to change, which are ratifications of God-given rights, and then deny the God from which they're drawn.

01:00:17.000 Amen.

01:00:17.000 And so ultimately, I think what you see here is once again, we're being conquered.

01:00:24.000 We're being externally conquered.

01:00:26.000 And that's because of internal policy.

01:00:31.000 And I don't know exactly what you're supposed to do about this with universal suffrage, man.

01:00:34.000 I don't even know that there's an answer to it.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

01:00:38.000 Like, are we just on a trajectory where society is going to fall apart?

01:00:41.000 I've thought about this too.

01:00:43.000 There's a great quote.

01:00:44.000 I probably say this like every other week on the show, but the Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that communism is not what destroys society.

01:00:50.000 It's the rot that sets in when your society's already been destroyed.

01:00:53.000 And I think that that's true, honestly, of a lot of the social problems we're seeing.

01:00:56.000 We're going, how do we save the country from this?

01:00:58.000 And it's like, well, if that's happening, in some sense, it's too late.

01:01:01.000 But God can raise the dead, right?

01:01:03.000 So I'm not, I'm not blackpilled on it.

01:01:04.000 I think our country could come back.

01:01:05.000 It just won't be full of people.

01:01:06.000 Look at that renaissance as much as the next guy.

01:01:08.000 That's what I'm always advocating, right?

01:01:10.000 Renaissance, Renaissance, Renaissance, not revolution.

01:01:12.000 Amen.

01:01:13.000 That's right.

01:01:14.000 But the thing is, and here, we've had them before, and they can happen rapidly.

01:01:18.000 But here's what I see: I see a pretty decadent population, and that's what I see.

01:01:23.000 The irony of that is that what are you going to get out of that?

01:01:25.000 Not democracy.

01:01:26.000 You're going to get a tyrant.

01:01:28.000 And it's just like, who?

01:01:30.000 What kind of strongman is going to come out of that?

01:01:32.000 Historically, it's not usually very good.

01:01:34.000 That's why Andrew's always trying to advocate for Christians to start feeling more comfortable governing using their Christian morals and not this crazy idea that everyone except us can do that, right?

01:01:48.000 The Muslims can govern with their Muslim morals and the Hindus can govern. 0.93

01:01:51.000 If you don't wield power as Christians, people will wield power against you as Christians. 0.92

01:01:56.000 Well, and this is one of the hilarious little bits of rhetoric we've heard for the past several decades.

01:02:00.000 You can't legislate your values.

01:02:02.000 It's like, well, it's funny because what they're no, they're being sincere.

01:02:05.000 They're saying you can't legislate your values.

01:02:08.000 We can't.

01:02:09.000 You can't legislate anything but values, by the way.

01:02:11.000 Literally, what they do is they just rely on you accepting the presupposition that we should govern as secularists.

01:02:17.000 Right.

01:02:17.000 Well, or governments or govern the supposition that, well, I know what Christians really should be doing, not Christians.

01:02:24.000 Yeah.

01:02:25.000 I hear that more than anything.

01:02:27.000 You're not a real Christian. 1.00

01:02:28.000 I go, are you a Christian?

01:02:29.000 And they go, no. 0.93

01:02:29.000 And I go, what the hell are you talking about then? 0.93

01:02:31.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 You're going to sit here.

01:02:33.000 What are you talking about?

01:02:34.000 Or my favorite is when they go, how very pro-life of you.

01:02:37.000 Anytime you say anything, you call yourself pro-life and yet you don't think we should be funding Latinx folks in Uganda having slam poetry sessions. 0.95

01:02:45.000 You know how many people will die if we don't do that?

01:02:48.000 It's like, come on.

01:02:48.000 35 cents to secure the kids from AIDS in Africa.

01:02:51.000 Exactly. 0.97

01:02:52.000 And you want to take that away from you, said what kind of monster are you? 0.92

01:02:55.000 And you're like, okay, one million abortions a year right here, though. 0.99

01:02:58.000 Well, that's woman's right. 1.00

01:02:59.000 Exactly.

01:02:59.000 I'm just going to accept you just said Latinx folks and you get probably is some sort of a subculture, you know.

01:03:08.000 So good.

01:03:09.000 There's like three of them.

01:03:10.000 Listen, you never know.

01:03:12.000 But listen, speaking of Christian policy and sensible policy, one thing that's gone completely out the window over the course of the past several decades is any semblance of law and order punishing people when they break the law.

01:03:23.000 We're told it's too complicated.

01:03:24.000 We're told that you can't just lock up the people who are breaking the law and then have the law be broken less often as a result of that.

01:03:32.000 It's just, it's too complicated.

01:03:33.000 That's what these very smart people with a lot of degrees keep telling us.

01:03:36.000 And yet, as it turns out time and time again, when you try this, it seems to work.

01:03:40.000 And so, even though we don't have any statistical or any official stats on this that we've pulled up, we do have a great statement from the president of the United States.

01:03:49.000 And as a patriot, that's enough of an authority for me.

01:03:52.000 Donald J. Trump said, I am proud to announce that Chicago, Illinois, despite all of the radical opposition and obstruction we have from the mayor and the governor, has seen car theft, shooting, shootings, robberies, violent crime, and everything else drop dramatically since the launch of the DHS Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago only weeks ago.

01:04:11.000 Shootings are down 35%, robberies are down 41%, and carjackings are down 50%.

01:04:17.000 Guys, I thought this was too complicated.

01:04:19.000 Yeah, I thought we just have to hug them and give them money and resources, and then they'll just behave. 0.90

01:04:25.000 They'll just want to be good.

01:04:26.000 Your mom never took them to Disney as a kid or gave him cocoa, and that's why they broke the law.

01:04:30.000 Progressives have been, and we found this out recently.

01:04:34.000 And I've been covering many of the various podcasters who've broken these stories, or at least enhanced them.

01:04:41.000 That many progressive cities have been for years lying about the crime rates by simply allocating crimes in different categories where they don't belong and then saying, see, violent crime is dropping.

01:04:54.000 Well, sure, it is.

01:04:55.000 I'm sure violent crime is dropping if you consider mugging like jaywalking, right?

01:05:00.000 Then absolutely, all of a sudden, violent crime is going to drop drastically.

01:05:04.000 But and what they want to do, the reason that that's being done, people go, why would they do that?

01:05:09.000 Why would they do that?

01:05:09.000 And it's like, well, it's really simple.

01:05:11.000 It's because they want to say our policies where we're soft on crime and we're focusing on the economic end of what's going on with the minority crime population, right? 1.00

01:05:25.000 That's working.

01:05:26.000 And here you can see that that's working because after all, we just kind of mismanage what we consider violent crime or other types of crime, put them in different categories.

01:05:34.000 And then we can say our economic solutions are working instead of the jail cell.

01:05:38.000 And it's like, no, they're not working.

01:05:40.000 And here's what does work.

01:05:41.000 Isn't it amazing?

01:05:43.000 When law enforcement locks people up and judges give them sentences, crime starts to decrease rapidly.

01:05:50.000 Now, I'll give you an example of where this happened that's easy to point at.

01:05:53.000 Mayor Rudy Giuliani did a fantastic job.

01:05:56.000 And don't ever tell me stop and frist didn't work.

01:05:58.000 It worked.

01:05:59.000 100%.

01:06:00.000 Okay, it worked.

01:06:01.000 And don't tell me that the tough crime stances haven't worked.

01:06:05.000 They have worked.

01:06:06.000 Well, because we know that most of these crimes are committed by a small handful of repeat offenders.

01:06:11.000 You put those people in a cage and they stop committing the crime.

01:06:13.000 The socioeconomic factors don't grab someone else and make them do it.

01:06:16.000 All right.

01:06:17.000 Like those people chose to commit the crime.

01:06:19.000 How many news stories have you seen this year where some guy who just got out of prison for like the 13th time goes and does something awful and it makes the news?

01:06:27.000 And we always find out, oh, this guy's already been arrested and put in jail 30 times.

01:06:32.000 And these liberal judges just keep letting them out.

01:06:34.000 You look at something like Singapore, where they're really, really tough on drugs.

01:06:38.000 Like if you do major drug trafficking there, you go to prison forever.

01:06:42.000 And they have practically no drug trafficking.

01:06:44.000 If you litter on the street, you go to prison in Singapore.

01:06:47.000 Now, I'm not saying it's democratic.

01:06:50.000 Exactly.

01:06:51.000 Exactly.

01:06:53.000 But it does show that, like, yes, these punitive, more punitive punishments work.

01:06:58.000 It's like there's a reason Vlad the Impaler started doing what he was doing because things were out of control.

01:07:02.000 Well, it's amazing when a diplomatic observer came to Romania and said, how can you guys have gold in the street in one of their major cities?

01:07:12.000 And he's point over and there's all these people impaled.

01:07:15.000 And it's like, that's how we can have gold in the street.

01:07:18.000 Well, exactly.

01:07:18.000 I mean, these things come as a reaction.

01:07:20.000 They don't fall from the sky.

01:07:22.000 And one of the reasons it's so important to have law and order, I mean, the primary reason is because you need to have law and order.

01:07:28.000 The left is constantly belling about the fact that we need to be terrified of a right-wing strongman while they do everything that they can to create one.

01:07:35.000 If you don't want insane, cruel, and unusual punishments forced on petty criminals, you know how you can prevent that happening from happening?

01:07:41.000 Maybe by not giving rapists three-month-long sentences.

01:07:45.000 Maybe that's one of the things that could help us not overreact to petty crimes.

01:07:49.000 This is one thing that we see in Europe, too.

01:07:51.000 In Germany, a woman was given a longer sentence than her rapist for calling him a pig in a group chat. 0.87

01:07:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:57.000 Which is just insanity. 0.99

01:07:59.000 I mean, listen, man, I'm sorry.

01:08:01.000 People react to that.

01:08:02.000 And people don't react to that reasonably in a way where they put like sensible policy in place that just puts the rapists in prison.

01:08:11.000 They react in the opposite direction.

01:08:14.000 It's not like, well, they end up finding the reasonable right thing to do with rapists.

01:08:18.000 It's like, no, they just round up everyone who they think is criminal, including people who've committed more petty crimes.

01:08:23.000 And then like other injustices happen more on the side of being too brutal.

01:08:27.000 Right.

01:08:27.000 And if you're.

01:08:28.000 Well, can I ask you something about this?

01:08:30.000 Because this piggybacks off of something that's an interesting phenomenon happening right now in the conservative civil war that you see mostly playing out on X.

01:08:38.000 Sure.

01:08:38.000 And because it's mostly playing out on X, that must mean that that's how it is all over the world.

01:08:44.000 Of course.

01:08:44.000 But anyway, at least on X, you have what was coined by James Lindsay and others before him as the quote woke right.

01:08:55.000 Yeah, cringe, right?

01:08:57.000 And the quote woke right, they're saying is neo-Nazis, this and that, et cetera, et cetera.

01:09:02.000 The other side's firing back, including guys like Fuentes.

01:09:05.000 Fuentes often held up as being one of the forefront leaders of this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:09:11.000 Here's what I see, though, and I wanted your take on this. 0.99

01:09:14.000 It seems to me that if you go on as an anonymous account, right, and you say mustache man good and you say a bunch of neo-Nazi shit, people freak out. 0.99

01:09:25.000 And that's funny. 0.99

01:09:28.000 That's what they got for.

01:09:30.000 That's really, really, really funny.

01:09:33.000 It's trolling.

01:09:34.000 What you're saying is it's trolling.

01:09:35.000 Well, and it's really funny.

01:09:36.000 And as long as people continue to panic about it, right?

01:09:40.000 They're going to continue to like, isn't that the case?

01:09:43.000 It's so like, not all the time because it's true.

01:09:45.000 I do think that it's trolling.

01:09:47.000 I think that it's funny, but I also do think that Nick Fuentes doesn't like Jews.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:09:53.000 I agree.

01:09:54.000 But I think his stuff with Mustache Man, there was a clip that was going around, I don't know if it was from yesterday or today that I saw, where he was giving an explanation for this.

01:10:04.000 And he was like, look, when I do this, it pisses off all, it pisses off everybody.

01:10:10.000 And they make the demand that I'm not allowed to.

01:10:12.000 Yes.

01:10:12.000 And you're not allowed to do that or else there's going to be serious repercussions.

01:10:16.000 And he's like, through that gateway, I've been able to draw a lot more attention to the things that I want than I ever could have imagined just due to your reaction to this.

01:10:25.000 And it's like, how's that not a brilliant strategy?

01:10:28.000 One.

01:10:28.000 And two, how is it not the case that progressives himself, to kind of agree with this take here, aren't building their own mustache man?

01:10:38.000 Because it seems like if it's the case that it drives him crazy, drives him crazy.

01:10:44.000 The reaction is more oppression, more oppression to one side.

01:10:47.000 Oh, then it drives them crazy again when they LARP that way.

01:10:50.000 And then oppression, oppression.

01:10:52.000 How do you not end up with the same strongman that he's talking about?

01:10:55.000 That's my question.

01:10:57.000 It's like, how?

01:10:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't, I, I think that the, I think that the reaction to Nick Fuentes has been entirely the wrong reaction, right?

01:11:07.000 Like the whole like, you know, debanking him, keep putting him on no fly list and stuff like that.

01:11:11.000 I think that's all been a bad reaction.

01:11:14.000 Um, and I don't, I don't have a, I don't have a significant problem with the things that he, with him saying things that are, that are offensive or whatever.

01:11:22.000 I just, I, I do think that it's, that he is telling the truth generally.

01:11:26.000 There are people out there that say it's all a troll, right?

01:11:29.000 There are people that say he doesn't actually believe any of the things that he's, it's all a troll.

01:11:33.000 I don't think that's accurate.

01:11:34.000 I do think that I think he, I definitely 100% the things he's confirmed that he believes that there's Jewish organizations which are responsible for infiltration of the US government. 0.73

01:11:46.000 There's no doubt he says this often and there's some truth to what's going on with AIPAC and others and no one's going to deny any of that.

01:11:52.000 There is there is there is but that's not really the question for me.

01:11:56.000 The question for me is about right-wing.

01:11:59.000 It's not really about whether or not what Fuentes personally is doing right, wrong or indifferent, but rather, isn't it the case that if you do that type of trolling and the left freaks out collectively and loses their mind, how does that not incentivize more of it?

01:12:16.000 So one of the things that's really interesting too is the left wants to frame itself as the underdog at all times.

01:12:22.000 So this is something I saw recently where they were trying to make this Mamdani edit where they were almost they were almost trying to go for the aesthetic of like a very edgy kind of fashy right-wing meme.

01:12:34.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 And it was funny because it's like, well, listen, the left-wing symbols don't elicit that reaction basically from anyone, including conservatives.

01:12:42.000 Like people don't freak out about it.

01:12:44.000 That also might be part of why younger people aren't seeing it as being equally transgressive or something that would shake the system up in the same way.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, I think that like.

01:12:52.000 Well, because like we don't care.

01:12:54.000 We have a sense of humor.

01:12:55.000 That's one.

01:12:56.000 And two, the left can't meme.

01:12:58.000 That's also true.

01:12:59.000 Okay.

01:12:59.000 The left can't meme.

01:13:00.000 Also, the boomer sort of neocon Zionist right can't meme either.

01:13:04.000 And what you're talking about.

01:13:05.000 Yeah, I know.

01:13:06.000 That's true.

01:13:07.000 Like they can't at all, and they don't get it.

01:13:09.000 They don't get that this younger generation of like American, America First conservatives, these sort of reactionaries, they come from a meme culture. 1.00

01:13:17.000 Like they live and breathe that shit. 1.00

01:13:19.000 And I think you love when they're in bed. 1.00

01:13:22.000 But what you're saying, though, I think that applies more to them now than it does to the left.

01:13:26.000 They are losing their minds about it.

01:13:28.000 That's true.

01:13:29.000 Like Mark Levin is a meme generator at this point.

01:13:32.000 Yeah.

01:13:32.000 It's true.

01:13:33.000 And so it's like, I don't know, man.

01:13:36.000 I think if you're talking about that whole problem reaction solution thing, that if it's like the problem is these guys are driving you crazy with their memes and they're driving you crazy with their trolling and your reaction is we got to shut Twitter down.

01:13:48.000 We have to suppress rights.

01:13:50.000 We have to do things like this.

01:13:51.000 Aren't you giving them exactly what?

01:13:54.000 Well, there's kind of a almost like a perfect symbiosis there between someone who is trying to troll the left and say these outrageous things and the left because they have to retain this victim status. 0.94

01:14:03.000 And they have to go, everyone in America is actually secretly a Nazi white supremacist. 0.78

01:14:07.000 And they're just fomenting. 0.93

01:14:10.000 They're frothing at the mouth, trying to ensure that there's another Holocaust and that it happens in the United States. 0.95

01:14:15.000 And so to them, like there's an incentive to seek out people who say things like that and who are edgy and like some Anon account.

01:14:22.000 And for the Anon account, of course, they want that reaction.

01:14:25.000 So it just plays into itself.

01:14:26.000 And then you wonder how much of this actually reflects what people are saying or doing in real life.

01:14:30.000 No, it just becomes a Batman and Joker thing.

01:14:32.000 That's sort of entertaining as well.

01:14:34.000 The whole thing is quite entertaining to watch.

01:14:36.000 And Fuentes is no doubt an entertaining guy as well.

01:14:39.000 It's a little bit more loose, a little bit more unscripted, a little bit more like shaking off the shackles sort of thing.

01:14:43.000 And I think people really like entertainment mixed with politics.

01:14:46.000 Yeah.

01:14:47.000 And those guys on the sort of boomers neocon Zionist right, they are not very entertaining at all.

01:14:53.000 Well, but what is entertaining is watching all of them fight.

01:14:57.000 That's super entertaining.

01:14:59.000 And so, as long as that's going to be the case, aren't you going to end up with my team, your team?

01:15:04.000 It has to be.

01:15:05.000 I don't see it.

01:15:06.000 This is a very important issue for both sides, right?

01:15:09.000 I don't see this resolving in any sort of amicable way anytime soon.

01:15:14.000 Well, speaking of which, we had a very entertaining story next, but we got away from it for a second.

01:15:20.000 A Protestant pastor says that polygamy is biblical and that it was divinely ordained.

01:15:27.000 I've been seeing this all over Twitter today.

01:15:28.000 I don't know if you guys have noticed this at all.

01:15:31.000 What a great story.

01:15:33.000 This guy's not backing down from his claim that he can have multiple wives.

01:15:36.000 Rich Tidewell, a pastor in Canton, Missouri, has sparked an online debate about the acceptance of polygamy in Christianity and whether or not it is biblically justified.

01:15:45.000 He says, I have two beautiful wives. 0.99

01:15:48.000 To the expected amount of backlash, he recently made an announcement on his Instagram page that his second wife is expecting his eighth child.

01:15:55.000 All right, this is kind of what I was saying earlier, even though obviously we disavow this guy's not talking about real Christianity.

01:16:00.000 There was a time when even the barbarians wanted children. 0.98

01:16:03.000 He says, I have two beautiful wives. 0.99

01:16:04.000 Tidewell wrote in a long entry, we are thrilled for what the Lord has done for our family.

01:16:08.000 All right.

01:16:09.000 So firstly, I don't know what his argument is, but I assume he's actually probably making some version of the argument that the left will often make when we talk about marriage and biblical morality, which is the Bible has polygamy in it.

01:16:22.000 Not everything that the Bible describes is something it's recommending that you do.

01:16:27.000 In fact, a lot of what's described, it's from Trent Orton, a lot of what's described in the Bible is stuff you're not supposed to be doing.

01:16:32.000 It's a cautionary thing.

01:16:32.000 Or it's just descriptive.

01:16:34.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:16:34.000 It's just, or it's just descriptive.

01:16:37.000 So to me, this is not all that shocking.

01:16:37.000 Right.

01:16:41.000 It seems shocking because it exists in one direction, but for decades, we have been seeing people try to claim that the Bible doesn't actually say what it says about God's plan for marriage, about sexuality, etc.

01:16:51.000 You know, my particular perversion is permissible.

01:16:53.000 I don't know.

01:16:54.000 Who are we to judge, right?

01:16:56.000 We've been told for decades.

01:16:57.000 Well, I mean, honestly, it's hard for me to care as much anymore.

01:17:02.000 I used to hit this issue hard on polygyny with the multiple wives thing. 1.00

01:17:07.000 And you're right, it's not biblical and it's completely immoral and it's totally unjustified.

01:17:11.000 But didn't they just marry four guys? 0.66

01:17:14.000 It's so sorry.

01:17:15.000 They just married four guys.

01:17:17.000 Yeah.

01:17:18.000 They have gay thrupples. 1.00

01:17:19.000 Yeah, they just married. 0.99

01:17:20.000 They just married.

01:17:21.000 They're just short of a restaurant.

01:17:22.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 Who did that? 0.91

01:17:23.000 Where was that at? 0.91

01:17:24.000 Do you remember?

01:17:25.000 Oh, it was somewhere in Europe, I think.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:28.000 It wasn't.

01:17:29.000 And someone's probably going to sell them a baby. 1.00

01:17:30.000 But the thing is, it's like, hopefully it doesn't become a.

01:17:33.000 I think it was the UK.

01:17:34.000 Leftist logic can't ground any of this.

01:17:37.000 So leftists can't really tell you that this is immoral.

01:17:39.000 They can't.

01:17:41.000 Because if they make the claim that, well, three people getting married is immoral, right?

01:17:47.000 We just ask them, well, how would you ground that?

01:17:49.000 They would just say the societal consequences are bad.

01:17:51.000 It'd be like, well, I could do that with homosexuality or any number of different things. 0.87

01:17:54.000 So that makes no sense as an argument.

01:17:57.000 Ultimately, this, right, you're going to see more of it under leftist rule because they're going to have less and less way to combat it with any sort of ground.

01:18:06.000 Like, how could they tell them no?

01:18:09.000 They can't tell them no.

01:18:09.000 Yes.

01:18:10.000 If they go to him and say, look, how could this possibly be worse for society than homosexual monkeypox? 1.00

01:18:19.000 The argument back's going to be, well, I guess it's not. 0.97

01:18:22.000 And you do you, bro, as long as you're not hurting anybody.

01:18:24.000 My dad called it monkey around pox.

01:18:26.000 But why we need monogamy more than anything else is because we have an equal distribution of men to women.

01:18:34.000 And you really want to make sure that the underclass is married and having children because otherwise they start killing people in a big way collectively. 1.00

01:18:43.000 They start killing people because one of the biggest accesses of resources for men isn't the money. 0.96

01:18:49.000 And it isn't the sports car.

01:18:51.000 And it isn't that. 0.96

01:18:52.000 It's sexual access And what you get with a wife is sexual access. 1.00

01:18:58.000 And that is part of the domestication of men, which allows a society to function.

01:19:02.000 That's why monogamous societies do way better than polygynous societies do because of that sexual access. 0.98

01:19:08.000 No, and it's true.

01:19:09.000 And it's like the varying degrees of wholesomeness because you can have guys who say, I genuinely just want to have a family.

01:19:13.000 And so they get married.

01:19:14.000 And then there are some guys who they're just trying to have sex, but in a monogamous culture, that drive is oriented towards something productive instead of destructive.

01:19:20.000 Which is producing.

01:19:23.000 Literally.

01:19:24.000 That's right.

01:19:24.000 So I just want to make this point.

01:19:27.000 George Gilder writes about this in his book, Men in Marriage, where he points out, and this is written in like the late 80s, early 90s, I believe.

01:19:33.000 But he points out that literally in every society throughout all of history, the most dangerous people around have been unmarried young men. 0.94

01:19:39.000 If you can create a population of perpetually unmarried young people, they're going to be killers. 1.00

01:19:44.000 Now, here's the thing: for corporate America, those people make great consumers.

01:19:47.000 And so it seems as if there's been this effort to keep men young and unmarried, but to kind of unicize them so that they're good producers and they're not scary.

01:19:55.000 If that doesn't work, they're still going to be scary men.

01:19:57.000 But they're not like inherently killers.

01:19:59.000 No, no, no, no, no, of course.

01:20:00.000 But what it is, is it's like, where do you go?

01:20:03.000 You would go into the military, you would become mercenaries, and you would be way more willing to take high-risk things for high reward.

01:20:10.000 Yes.

01:20:11.000 Because that's where like the dopamine hit comes, the fun.

01:20:14.000 Again, there's no resource sink, right?

01:20:16.000 And so that's weird.

01:20:17.000 This isn't like men bad.

01:20:19.000 This is just men benevolent, actually.

01:20:24.000 But my point is, is just to point this out, is like the reason you want your young men married and producing families and you don't want them sidelined with no sexual access is because if you have like 20% of your population that's like that, you're going to have a serious problem on your hands where these people don't, they're not risk averse.

01:20:42.000 Well, why do you think it's so easy to recruit young Muslim men into terrorist cells?

01:20:47.000 Yeah, I was like, why do you think it's so easy to sell me?

01:20:50.000 Think about how easy it was to recruit mercenaries under the promise you'd carry off the enemy women.

01:20:56.000 The idea here, the idea here was always the same.

01:20:58.000 They were plunderer once upon a time.

01:21:01.000 But ultimately, if you have 20%, 15%, something like this, who are not risk-averse and they are high-testosterone and not rick-averse.

01:21:10.000 Oh, man.

01:21:11.000 Yeah, but in terms of polygamy, you look at the Arab cultures, for example.

01:21:16.000 They've got a huge problem with this in the sense that a lot of the top status men get all of the wives and it creates this huge underclass of men.

01:21:23.000 And you'll notice that all of the immigrants coming into Europe, there's not many women and children.

01:21:27.000 It's all men. 1.00

01:21:28.000 And what that is, is it's the underclass of men who have no access to women trying to get it.

01:21:33.000 I never even thought about that.

01:21:34.000 So they're coming into these Western countries. 0.98

01:21:36.000 And you imagine they're coming into Sweden and they see a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl who's got a, wearing a short skirt. 0.95

01:21:42.000 And to them, she's essentially a prostitute. 1.00

01:21:44.000 Well, and we have been told through various court cases from judges in the EU that they just don't know any better. 0.92

01:21:49.000 I mean, you look at the group.

01:21:51.000 Ruin their culture.

01:21:52.000 A lot of them are inbred, may not know better, honestly, which is why you probably shouldn't bring them to your country. 1.00

01:21:56.000 65% of Pakistani.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, 65% of Pakistan.

01:21:59.000 That's outrageous.

01:22:01.000 But like, yeah, you look at the grooming gangs over there, and they were essentially their excuse was that, well, you know, in our culture, this is allowed.

01:22:11.000 These are essentially spoils of war here.

01:22:13.000 And they're not Muslims, so they don't get treated the same as us.

01:22:16.000 And that was their justification for it.

01:22:17.000 So it's not like it was frowned upon or anything.

01:22:20.000 And by the way, this is stated openly.

01:22:21.000 And when these people have to testify, they'll say things like this.

01:22:24.000 It is not some kind of hidden secret.

01:22:26.000 They openly acknowledge, yes, we do think that this is what white girls are for and white women are for. 0.87

01:22:30.000 This is not something somebody made up to make you feel a certain way.

01:22:34.000 This is not the billionaire saying the immigrant wants to take your cookie like we've seen in that meme.

01:22:39.000 This is from their mouths.

01:22:40.000 These are words from their mouths.

01:22:41.000 Yep. 0.98

01:22:42.000 They're sex and relationship starved, destitute people coming from polygynous societies into Western countries. 1.00

01:22:49.000 So when you think about the magnitude of it.

01:22:51.000 And the women are single, right? 0.98

01:22:54.000 If they're not, they don't care.

01:22:55.000 Well, they're often using their child, like kind of their child-rearing years to go to college and university, right?

01:23:00.000 Things like this.

01:23:01.000 They don't have a man on their arm.

01:23:02.000 There's nothing to fight the wolves off.

01:23:04.000 There's no man on the wall.

01:23:05.000 And the fathers are told, you're a horrible patriarch if you want to protect your daughter.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, it's a, I mean, so it's a nightmare.

01:23:12.000 He's making a great point.

01:23:13.000 Like, these are good, solid reasons why monogamy should be the like go-to for any Western society.

01:23:22.000 Even if it was the case, we didn't believe in God and Christianity.

01:23:25.000 It still should be.

01:23:26.000 Now, you and I would say the reason is because you're still moving towards God and Christianity by doing that. 0.74

01:23:32.000 But ultimately, from the secular perspective, just the outcome base, it should be that way.

01:23:36.000 But because they have to justify the alternative degeneracy, they have to endorse this.

01:23:41.000 Yeah.

01:23:42.000 And that's what your society is going to look like.

01:23:43.000 Exactly.

01:23:44.000 You were right at the beginning when you said it's because we've accepted this morally relative framework that even Christians, even Christians, especially, you know, not to, sorry, Protestants, but you guys have this idea that everybody has their right to, you know, their individual interpretation.

01:24:00.000 So you can't, that plus the moral relativistic framework, you can't tell this guy no.

01:24:05.000 How are you going to tell him no?

01:24:06.000 And you're letting the Muslims in and they can do it. 0.96

01:24:09.000 And you're letting the gay thruples adopt like you can't tell this guy he can't do that. 1.00

01:24:13.000 Just hypothetically, what would stop me from starting a church tomorrow gold like the church of Rattlesnake? 0.88

01:24:19.000 Nothing.

01:24:20.000 I mean, yeah, probably nothing.

01:24:21.000 And what is it?

01:24:22.000 What's the number before you're tax exempt?

01:24:24.000 It's only two or three.

01:24:27.000 It's not many.

01:24:28.000 And the thing is, is like you may not, but you don't even need the 5013C, right?

01:24:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:32.000 You can have, you can start the Church of Rattlesnakes as a for-profit church.

01:24:37.000 I mean, this is a historical church's business model.

01:24:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:43.000 This is a historical pattern.

01:24:44.000 If you look at pretty much all of the cults, like all of the heretical cults that have tried to spring out of Christianity, it's always some guy who wants to take all the wives. 0.99

01:24:54.000 It's always some guy.

01:24:55.000 It always ends up with, by the way, you have to. 0.82

01:24:57.000 How many times has Jesus returned now to bang your wife? 0.73

01:24:59.000 Well, this happened a lot according.

01:25:02.000 I mean, it's happened a ton of times according to a lot of these people who claim that they're the return of Christ.

01:25:08.000 All of them.

01:25:10.000 They all end up, you know, and they usually start with a different message.

01:25:14.000 They'll start with something that appeals to like people who are easily sucked into cult mentalities.

01:25:18.000 And then by the time you get 20, 30 people, they're like, and you all have to share your wife with me. 0.85

01:25:23.000 Well, every single, well, this is not just post, this is not just something that's existed in the Christian world.

01:25:29.000 This has been the case literally with every cult throughout history.

01:25:32.000 Even Muhammad, everyone who's claimed to speak for God has basically said, guess what God told me I get to do? 0.99

01:25:38.000 Like, I'm special.

01:25:38.000 This is a woman.

01:25:39.000 Daddy J. Dyer says that cult leaders, it's always just boils down to being able to touch butts. 0.99

01:25:47.000 It just always boils down to touching butts. 0.97

01:25:49.000 Your wife is mine now. 0.99

01:25:52.000 Essentially.

01:25:53.000 Well, we've got another story.

01:25:54.000 Speaking of the demonic, Tucker Carlson draws scorn for new details over a demonic attack.

01:26:01.000 And he said he's not embarrassed, which, first of all, based, I think it's listen, you've got so many Christians and so many people who say that Christianity is a good thing, even if they don't consider themselves Christian. 0.82

01:26:10.000 But then you actually start talking about Christian things and they go, oh, are you crazy?

01:26:14.000 We believe in demons, actually.

01:26:15.000 I mean, we believe that Satan convinced Adam and Eve to fall.

01:26:20.000 Christianity actually becomes incoherent as a faith if you don't believe in the existence of demons.

01:26:23.000 It doesn't work and it doesn't make sense.

01:26:25.000 So the idea that people would laugh.

01:26:28.000 Exactly.

01:26:29.000 Political commentator Tucker Carlson has prompted renewed scorn after providing more details about a supernatural attack.

01:26:35.000 He alleges a legend happened.

01:26:37.000 Excuse me.

01:26:38.000 Alleges happened to him in his bed in February of 2023, months before Fox News fired him.

01:26:43.000 During an extensive interview last Thursday with fellow former Fox News host Megan Kelly, Carlson suggested the attack was in response to a positive supernatural experience he had the day before, during which he experienced love towards someone he hated.

01:26:54.000 That's actually really interesting.

01:26:56.000 Now, the thing is, regardless of whether you feel this happened or think this happened, I certainly don't doubt his sincerity.

01:27:01.000 And when we did America Fest at TPUSA, I had the privilege of doing a podcast with him and a couple of other people, including Charlie Kirk.

01:27:08.000 May he rest in peace.

01:27:09.000 And Tucker mentioned this story on the podcast about how he was attacked by a demon.

01:27:15.000 So, listen, I don't know why we would say that we need to promote Christian thought and be a Christian country and then laugh at a guy when he says something demonic happened to him.

01:27:23.000 Because don't you think a demon would attack someone in Tucker Carlson's position if they're starting to spread truth and if they're like loving their enemies and doing good Christian things?

01:27:31.000 Well, the same people making fun of this are the people who have crystals and tarot cards and all kinds of other nonsense and they're reading their horoscope and trying to figure out, you know, how do I know if this guy likes me?

01:27:42.000 Let me read my horoscope.

01:27:44.000 That's all occultism on the other end.

01:27:46.000 Well, let me fire back at you on this a little bit.

01:27:48.000 Sure, sure.

01:27:49.000 So the thing is, is like, as Christians, though, we should not be gullible.

01:27:55.000 Agreed.

01:27:55.000 And as Christians, though, we should not reject the scientific method.

01:27:59.000 And as Christians, we should not reject that science can help us come up with answers to the natural world and how it functions.

01:28:07.000 And so the thing is, is like these categories, the spiritual categories, the categories that have no scientific explanation, like the demonic, I don't expect people who have a more secular nature, agnostic or atheist nature, to believe those things about Christianity, even as they benefit from the effects of Christianity.

01:28:26.000 They don't have a problem with you believing those things.

01:28:30.000 But if you're going to, if you're going to just immediately take Carlson at his word for it, and maybe, maybe that's fair that you should, okay, or shouldn't.

01:28:38.000 Well, I don't doubt his sincerity.

01:28:40.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:28:40.000 You don't doubt the sincerity, but it's still rational and within the confines of rational thinking that even Christians could and would shout that this actually happened.

01:28:53.000 Now, absent documentation and things like this.

01:28:57.000 And Catholics are the most skeptical of all. 0.63

01:28:59.000 An exorcist would investigate this.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, they have supernatural investigators to look for the miraculous just as much as they do the demonic.

01:29:06.000 And so it's like, look, I don't know if it happened or not.

01:29:09.000 Not for me to say.

01:29:10.000 I have no clue.

01:29:11.000 You have no clue.

01:29:12.000 Right there.

01:29:13.000 I don't think it's not rational for people to be skeptical of it, even if they're Christians.

01:29:18.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:29:19.000 I don't think, listen, I don't think that there's anything wrong with being skeptical of it at all.

01:29:22.000 We had Father Ripperger on this past Friday, and he's a fantastic priest.

01:29:27.000 He's an exorcist.

01:29:28.000 And one of the things he talked about was the fact that the vast majority of cases, when someone thinks there's demonic activity, there isn't.

01:29:33.000 It's either something else or some kind of mental health.

01:29:36.000 Almost always.

01:29:37.000 That said, I was, I mean, Tucker Carlson, and I don't know him very well.

01:29:42.000 I've only met him once, but just on the podcast with him, he told the story.

01:29:45.000 Well, he definitely believes it.

01:29:46.000 Yeah, he definitely believes it.

01:29:47.000 I have no reason to disbelieve it, but you're right that it's not reasonable.

01:29:51.000 It's reasonable to be skeptical, especially about a person making a large supernatural claim.

01:29:57.000 I don't doubt it.

01:29:58.000 I believe it, but I'm not saying people have to believe it or they're bad Christians or something like that.

01:30:02.000 Because again, even in these matters, you do have an investigation before an exorcist comes in. 0.97

01:30:06.000 It just drives me crazy when people dismiss it out of hand and go, this guy's crazy and this is silly. 1.00

01:30:11.000 And his belief in demons is ridiculous. 0.99

01:30:13.000 Now, that's also rational and reasonable. 0.93

01:30:16.000 See, like it has to go on the other end, too.

01:30:19.000 So to your point, it's also rational and reasonable to be like, hey, let's, you know, we'll investigate it a little bit.

01:30:25.000 Exactly.

01:30:26.000 We'll have someone come in and take a look at it or something like this.

01:30:29.000 That's also reasonable and rational on the Christian end to do.

01:30:33.000 So if they're skeptical that there was a legitimate demonic attack on Tucker Carlson, I think that's rational.

01:30:39.000 And I think it's rational on the other end to say there could be.

01:30:39.000 Yeah.

01:30:42.000 And so it's worth investigating.

01:30:43.000 But you know, what's interesting is like you'd find a lot more alignment with secularists with that view because wouldn't they say the same thing?

01:30:50.000 Well, I'm kind of curious about this too, because he's he's mentioned this before, and he hasn't really said anything else like this.

01:30:58.000 And he says, I'm not embarrassed, and I don't care if I'm mocked.

01:31:02.000 This is part of why I find it so fascinating because I think most people, even if they feel they've experienced something supernatural or have or even just believe they have, they're not going to want to talk about it in public.

01:31:11.000 That's also part of why I don't want to dismiss him because I think there's something bold about it that I do appreciate.

01:31:17.000 Yeah, sure.

01:31:18.000 It draws attention to it.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:20.000 And if it happened, like if something like that happened to me, I don't know that I would be brave enough to go on a podcast to talk about it.

01:31:28.000 I might be concerned, well, people are going to mock me and I'm going to make the faith look superstitious or something.

01:31:33.000 Type of stuff.

01:31:34.000 When I read about Catholic exorcism or Orthodox exorcists and things like that, Catholics have a much, much more well-documented, more public kind of face when it comes to exorcism.

01:31:47.000 They're like rock stars because of the movie The Exorcist.

01:31:52.000 But it's obsession is the most common, right?

01:31:56.000 Demonic obsession.

01:31:57.000 And, you know, demonic possession is the least likely, and it's extremely rare.

01:32:04.000 But physical demonic attacks are even more rare yet, unless possession is involved.

01:32:09.000 And that would maybe throw a red flag to, well, we can be a little bit skeptical here.

01:32:14.000 This wasn't just the idea if I woke up with sleep paralysis and saw a demon or something like this, but rather he's saying there was a physical attack where claw marks raked him and there was blood left.

01:32:25.000 That's why that's wild.

01:32:26.000 Now that I forgot about that, now that does bring like another dimension.

01:32:31.000 Now we're in the physical, the material outside of the spiritual.

01:32:35.000 So I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be skeptical.

01:32:38.000 If Tucker Carlson ever watches, it's not an attack on him.

01:32:42.000 It could very well be possible.

01:32:44.000 I'm just pointing out it's rational to be skeptical.

01:32:47.000 Yeah, I also think it's interesting because he says this culturally, I'm not from a world where people are attacked by demons, Carlson told you, which most of us aren't.

01:32:54.000 And he seems to come from a very waspy background where they don't really talk that much about the demonic or other such types of things.

01:33:01.000 So I just find the whole thing fascinating.

01:33:04.000 What's described is extraordinary.

01:33:04.000 I think you're right.

01:33:06.000 So it is fair for people to have some skepticism.

01:33:09.000 Obviously, as mentioned, I lean towards thinking there's really something here.

01:33:13.000 But ultimately.

01:33:15.000 But if you do have experiences with it, like I've had experiences with what I would have called ghosts back in the day, but now I would call it more demonic.

01:33:24.000 And, you know, when it does happen to you, I feel as though it's just like you can't explain it really.

01:33:29.000 Like when I've had, I've had an experience with it, not like in the physical or anything, but just having a haunted house that I was in that nothing made sense.

01:33:38.000 Doors slamming open and close when I was in there.

01:33:41.000 The tap was turning on by itself.

01:33:43.000 Just like things that were just totally unexplainable by any sort of physics.

01:33:47.000 So I'm like, I don't know.

01:33:50.000 I don't know how to just sort of wave that away.

01:33:52.000 And I don't think you should.

01:33:54.000 And that's not the point.

01:33:55.000 Just only, my point is only that when somebody makes a claim like this, because there's so much, and he and I, I think we would agree on this too.

01:34:03.000 There's a lot of grifting on the Christian side. 0.97

01:34:06.000 Oh, dude, yeah, for sure.

01:34:07.000 And it's a huge problem on the OF side and everything else.

01:34:07.000 Okay, it's huge.

01:34:10.000 I'm not, again, not claiming Carlson's doing that at all.

01:34:12.000 Yeah.

01:34:13.000 I think that he's being sincere about his experience.

01:34:16.000 But just if people instantly are very skeptical of something like that, because it's such a big claim, I just think that that's reasonable.

01:34:23.000 I get it.

01:34:24.000 I think that's fair.

01:34:25.000 Well, listen, Tucker even said culturally, he's not from a world where that happened.

01:34:28.000 So maybe if before this experience happened, someone else said the same thing, he'd also be skeptical of it.

01:34:32.000 Who knows?

01:34:33.000 One of the most interesting books I've ever read was one that you gave me, Rach.

01:34:36.000 It was Orthodoxy in the Religion of the Future. 0.93

01:34:39.000 And it was so interesting how they were talking about UFOs and how all of these like alien shows have been sort of programming us for UFOs, but really they've always existed and they're sort of demonic forces.

01:34:52.000 So this is really funny.

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01:35:16.000 Now, we are going to jump over to super chats.

01:35:19.000 Oh, do we need a couple minutes or what's going on?

01:35:21.000 Sorry.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, we are going to pop over here.

01:35:24.000 We got some super chats and we also have some Rumble rants that we are going to read.

01:35:29.000 Do you mind if we give a real quick shameless plug? 1.00

01:35:31.000 Yeah.

01:35:32.000 So, by the way, you can, but also we will do plugs after we're done with super chats as well.

01:35:37.000 But if you want to say it now, I was just going to say debate con this weekend, where we're all debating there.

01:35:40.000 I think if you guys, if anybody's anywhere near Nashville, it's going to be awesome.

01:35:44.000 We've got a big after-party happening as well.

01:35:46.000 And it's just going to be an absolute killer weekend.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, it's going to be a killer week.

01:35:49.000 Modern day debate, I'm debating.

01:35:51.000 Andrew's debating.

01:35:52.000 It's going to be awesome.

01:35:52.000 Rachel's debating.

01:35:53.000 Who were you guys debating?

01:35:55.000 And I'm debating.

01:35:58.000 Andrew is actually headlining the two debates.

01:36:00.000 He's going to be debating Daniel Hikikaju on Islam and Christianity, right?

01:36:06.000 And then Dr. Richard Carrier on secularism.

01:36:09.000 Well, it's Islam versus Christianity, which is better for society. 1.00

01:36:14.000 Same thing, secular humanism versus Christianity, which is better for society. 0.99

01:36:17.000 So both of those are big claims from each side.

01:36:22.000 And this is a huge fight of our time, obviously.

01:36:25.000 So tune in or if you can get tickets, strongly suggest that you show up.

01:36:30.000 You're going to be watching.

01:36:30.000 You have debates going all day.

01:36:32.000 You have access to many of the people you've always wanted to meet.

01:36:35.000 Huge party that anybody who gets a ticket is welcome to come to.

01:36:39.000 I took care of all the booze.

01:36:40.000 I took care of all the people.

01:36:41.000 Wow, you took care of all who's cheap.

01:36:44.000 I rented out the whole top area of a bar to make sure every ticket holder could go and have some drinks and have dinner and enjoy themselves.

01:36:52.000 And the Crucible did this on our dime for them.

01:36:56.000 You, hold on.

01:36:57.000 You did an open bar for everybody.

01:36:59.000 Everybody who bought a ticket.

01:37:00.000 Good for God.

01:37:00.000 Including people.

01:37:02.000 That's a big selling point.

01:37:02.000 Like, that's a lot.

01:37:03.000 Including people who are not fans of the Crucible.

01:37:07.000 If you got a ticket to Debate Con and you're lefty, come eat and drink with us.

01:37:11.000 And you'll find out that we're way too base and you'll have to become one of us.

01:37:15.000 But the point is, is you got to come do it.

01:37:17.000 Maybe I'll find myself in Nashville.

01:37:17.000 Open bar.

01:37:18.000 I don't know.

01:37:19.000 That's crazy.

01:37:20.000 Also, don't miss me debating a male feminist live in person. 1.00

01:37:25.000 What's the topic?

01:37:25.000 Feminism, I assume?

01:37:26.000 Yeah.

01:37:26.000 Okay, that's awesome.

01:37:28.000 So we have from Shane H. Wilder.

01:37:30.000 Thank you so much, Shane.

01:37:32.000 He says, as the son of a vet, I just wanted to wish the veterans out there a happy Veterans Day.

01:37:35.000 Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

01:37:37.000 God bless y'all.

01:37:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:37:39.000 Happy Veterans Day to all the veterans out there.

01:37:42.000 Oh my gosh.

01:37:43.000 We got more great super chats.

01:37:45.000 We kept getting these yesterday.

01:37:47.000 I was super, super pumped about this.

01:37:49.000 Labels777 says, my wife gave birth to our baby girl yesterday at 11.15 a.m.

01:37:54.000 I know I'm a day late, but never late than ever.

01:37:57.000 So here, this is really funny.

01:37:57.000 All right.

01:37:58.000 Yesterday we were getting all these super chats from people.

01:38:00.000 My wife had a baby.

01:38:02.000 I'm so excited.

01:38:03.000 And then I'm reading the comments after the show.

01:38:04.000 And someone says, did nobody catch that it's nine months after Valentine's Day?

01:38:08.000 I was like, all right, I guess that makes sense.

01:38:08.000 Yeah.

01:38:12.000 But I thought that was very cute.

01:38:13.000 A lot of new babies out here.

01:38:14.000 We love that.

01:38:15.000 We're all a bunch of pro-natalists here.

01:38:15.000 Absolutely.

01:38:17.000 Absolutely.

01:38:18.000 Blue Psycho says, Andrew, loved your debate with that Charlie feminist on whatever. 1.00

01:38:23.000 I really wish she wasn't a specific kind of feminist. 1.00

01:38:26.000 I cannot read that last part.

01:38:28.000 Why would you highlight that?

01:38:29.000 I can't read that on air.

01:38:31.000 I can't read that on air.

01:38:32.000 No, no, no.

01:38:33.000 You don't want to read it either.

01:38:34.000 Can I see all the super chatter?

01:38:37.000 Thank you for the super chat and for the support.

01:38:39.000 Thank you for the support.

01:38:40.000 I really appreciate it.

01:38:42.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 So here's what else we have.

01:38:46.000 Didn't the oh, so this is from Devin Grimms.

01:38:49.000 Didn't the elite introduce racial grievance during the Occupy Wall Street protest?

01:38:53.000 I don't think that's when it was introduced, but we got a lot of it there.

01:38:55.000 I think it started to become, I think that stuff really started to become more mainstream with the Trayvon Martin case.

01:39:02.000 To me, that was really the watershed moment.

01:39:04.000 It did, but the seeds were planted by Herbert Marcuse.

01:39:08.000 Herbert Marcuse had a book called What was a One Dimensional Man.

01:39:13.000 And in it, he said that the problem, this is in the 50s.

01:39:17.000 He said, and this is after people realize that capitalism actually delivers for people, especially for the working classes.

01:39:23.000 He said, look, capitalism delivers the goods.

01:39:25.000 And he said, you're not going to find the revolutionary energy in the working class because capitalism provides for people.

01:39:31.000 So to find the revolutionary energy, you're going to have to go to the ghettos. 0.98

01:39:35.000 And essentially, he was laying the case for what we call today race communism.

01:39:40.000 So it's not the oppression of the classes.

01:39:43.000 It's the oppression based on race nowadays.

01:39:46.000 Well, and do you remember when OWS was like a right-wing libertarian thing and the lefties hijacked it?

01:39:53.000 Wait, what's OWS?

01:39:54.000 Occupy Wall Street.

01:39:55.000 Oh, that actually started as a right-wing libertarian thing.

01:39:59.000 Then Alex Jones was all over and stuff.

01:40:01.000 And then the leftists hijacked it.

01:40:03.000 She went down to Occupy Wall Street. 0.98

01:40:06.000 There's this famous video of him talking on the streets.

01:40:08.000 He's like, look, come talk to me.

01:40:09.000 I'm the 1%.

01:40:11.000 And I'll explain to you why things are the way that they are.

01:40:14.000 And he made great arguments.

01:40:16.000 And I assume that he did some convincing of people.

01:40:21.000 But like you said, Andrew, it was totally hijacked by the left.

01:40:24.000 Totally hijacked.

01:40:25.000 They hijacked it from the top down.

01:40:28.000 You and I were just dating and watching that kind of unfold together, I think, back then, weren't we?

01:40:33.000 Yeah, watching Tim Poole get smacked with bean bags.

01:40:38.000 That's actually why he's sick today.

01:40:40.000 He got hit with another bean bag.

01:40:41.000 Bean bag right to the beanie, bro.

01:40:42.000 It was awful.

01:40:44.000 We have from Kiel said, Andrew, congrats on the launch of World War.

01:40:48.000 Can't wait to see its success.

01:40:50.000 Thank you so much.

01:40:50.000 I really appreciate it.

01:40:52.000 I haven't been able to hit it with the word war.

01:40:55.000 What's wrong with me, dude?

01:40:56.000 Word.

01:40:56.000 Yeah, apparently, words are waging war on me because I can't say them.

01:40:59.000 Word warm.

01:40:59.000 I haven't had time to get behind the kind of promo you'll see shortly, but because I was traveling today, but it's a huge project.

01:41:09.000 We've been working on it for a long time with a great team, including Sam Triple.

01:41:12.000 You guys have had him here, I believe.

01:41:14.000 Yep, Sam Triple.

01:41:15.000 Good guy, real smart guy, real funny guy.

01:41:17.000 Hilarious.

01:41:18.000 And we have a good team together.

01:41:21.000 And when they approached me, I couldn't wait to be part of the project.

01:41:23.000 So thank you.

01:41:24.000 Awesome.

01:41:24.000 And the same person also said, Seamus would love if you could stop into chronic golf on Hilton Head sometime.

01:41:29.000 We sell yours and every bag of Cashbrew.

01:41:32.000 Wonderful.

01:41:32.000 Awesome.

01:41:33.000 Well, thank you for doing that.

01:41:35.000 I'm going to jump over to Rumble for some Rumble rants.

01:41:40.000 They're all going to be bad.

01:41:41.000 They're all going to be TOS.

01:41:43.000 Rum Todds.

01:41:44.000 Rumble rants are going to be.

01:41:45.000 He's torturing him on purpose.

01:41:47.000 I disavow.

01:41:48.000 I disagree with that one.

01:41:50.000 That one's just, I'm not saying that out loud.

01:41:54.000 So Tolkien Maga said, and I've seen prominent right-wingers defending Islam on X lately.

01:42:00.000 I feel like there's been a little bit of that.

01:42:01.000 There's too many people.

01:42:03.000 There's too many people that have such a problem with Israel and Jewish people that they think that it's a good idea to align with Islam because Islam has a problem with Jews.

01:42:16.000 Andrew and I argue this all the time on X because they'll be like, you got to pick a team.

01:42:20.000 And we're like, how about neither one?

01:42:21.000 Yeah.

01:42:22.000 No, neither team.

01:42:23.000 And well, the thing is, too, is like, I do understand the logic.

01:42:27.000 The logic is, oh, you're willing to attack Islam because it's safe, but you're not willing to attack Judaism because that's not safe politically. 0.86

01:42:35.000 Right.

01:42:36.000 So I understand that logic, and that logic does make sense. 0.99

01:42:39.000 But that's why my logic is fuck both, right? 0.96

01:42:44.000 Like, I'm not interested in either the idea of Zionism or the idea of Islamic values. 0.98

01:42:52.000 I don't want either of them coexisting with Christian values. 0.99

01:42:56.000 That the idea is that we're beholden to either value structure, I think is absurd.

01:43:00.000 Christian ethics should be the order of the day.

01:43:02.000 But one of the arguments that I hear that drives me nuts is when they say, well, you know, in Islam, they think that Jesus, they love Jesus and blah, blah, blah.

01:43:09.000 And it's like, look, man, that is, that is a BS line.

01:43:13.000 If you ever want to see, this is why I've never accepted the Christ as king, right?

01:43:18.000 When they say, hey, Christ is king.

01:43:20.000 No, Christ is God.

01:43:22.000 And the reason I make the differential of Christ is God is so that Muslims can't participate. 1.00

01:43:27.000 You can't participate in our celebration because they would get behind it and say, you're right, Christ is king.

01:43:32.000 And I'd be like, well, is he God, though?

01:43:35.000 No.

01:43:35.000 Well, then you can't participate in my cell.

01:43:38.000 You're not allowed over here.

01:43:38.000 I'm sorry.

01:43:40.000 Look, I'm not, I'm an agnostic, so to even kind of touch on this is probably a little offensive to some people, but you'll get over it.

01:43:47.000 Like, if you're going to go by Christian theology, Christ being God is the foundation of Christianity.

01:43:56.000 So you can't say Christ is king and be like, look at me, I'm a good Christian.

01:44:00.000 No, Christ is God.

01:44:02.000 The foundation.

01:44:03.000 He's in to earth.

01:44:04.000 Christ is God.

01:44:05.000 Yes.

01:44:05.000 Incarnate as man on earth.

01:44:08.000 And so the idea that, well, Christ is king, that's not enough.

01:44:11.000 We can believe both, though.

01:44:12.000 It's not enough.

01:44:12.000 You're right.

01:44:13.000 But yeah, that's what you're saying is you believe both.

01:44:15.000 But more importantly, he's God.

01:44:17.000 Well, and I'm also purposely being exclusionary to people who are what they're doing is they're doing infiltration in order to be perverse.

01:44:26.000 And I'm literally excluding them on purpose by demonstrating and showcasing, no, our value structure is not the same.

01:44:33.000 Read John 1:1.

01:44:34.000 Because even in Islam, they don't say that Muhammad is God.

01:44:39.000 Muhammad is the prophet, the last prophet, and he's held up in esteem above the marriage. 0.90

01:44:44.000 Christians believe that Christ was the last prophet.

01:44:47.000 Yeah, but they also believe that Christ was God.

01:44:49.000 So, and like I said, me even trying to articulate this around you guys, I feel a little bit like I'm like, you know, stepping out of my no, that's fine.

01:44:57.000 Theology is vastly complicated, dude.

01:44:59.000 Dude, that's how I feel about you all the time.

01:45:01.000 Theology, I'm like, I got to be careful here.

01:45:03.000 But speaking of theology and Christian values, speaking of theology and Christian values, we got a challenger.

01:45:08.000 KL Tanker 420 says, I've always wondered why Christians think they own marriage. 1.00

01:45:12.000 If gay people can't marry because marriage is a religious ceremony with God, using that logic, should all non-Christians not be allowed to marry? 0.93

01:45:18.000 The problem is you don't understand the Christian perspective on marriage with all due respect.

01:45:22.000 And by the way, thank you for your chat and for being a fan, but this is the straw man argument that's used by the left.

01:45:27.000 The right wants to turn marriage into a religious institution.

01:45:29.000 What we believe as Catholics, and I assume the Orthodox believe something similar, but what we believe is that marriage pre-existed the church.

01:45:36.000 So the church has no power to define it or redefine it.

01:45:38.000 So when we say marriage is between a man and a woman, we are respecting an institution that existed before the church.

01:45:43.000 That church does not have the power to change.

01:45:45.000 And also, you just don't even need to recognize secular marriage, honestly.

01:45:50.000 It's not particularly important.

01:45:51.000 Like the idea here is just this.

01:45:55.000 Why do you need the state involved in your secular marriage?

01:45:59.000 Why is that necessary?

01:46:00.000 They say, well, for tax benefits and things like this. 1.00

01:46:02.000 It's like, well, that's kind of stupid. 0.99

01:46:04.000 Then just go ahead and change the tax code a little bit. 0.99

01:46:06.000 It's only some minor tweaking there.

01:46:10.000 What is actually the point of you as a secularist getting the state, getting a state marriage license?

01:46:15.000 Why can't you just make the declaration, I'm married, and then you are?

01:46:20.000 Why can't you just do that as a clandestine marriage?

01:46:24.000 Well, I don't even understand why you can't, right?

01:46:26.000 You could.

01:46:27.000 So the thing is, for us, it's sacramental.

01:46:30.000 And since it's sacramental, we don't get to just walk away, right?

01:46:34.000 That's not how it works.

01:46:35.000 That's right.

01:46:36.000 But secularists can.

01:46:37.000 They can declare and then undeclare.

01:46:39.000 And so if that's the case, what is the purpose of bringing the state in at all unless it's for the purpose of reproduction and for normalizing families?

01:46:49.000 And then if that's the case, can homosexuals do either of those things? 0.99

01:46:52.000 No. 0.93

01:46:53.000 Well, also, there's one more important thing, which is we need to recognize secular marriages so that when the Christian right becomes ascendant, we can punish them when they commit adultery. 0.86

01:47:01.000 Because if you're not married, we can't punish you for committing adultery.

01:47:03.000 There you go.

01:47:04.000 RN Ricky Bobby says, Seamus, you had seven birth announcements in super chats yesterday.

01:47:09.000 You skipped mine.

01:47:10.000 I'm sorry about that.

01:47:11.000 I mean, I know I haven't tithed any spoons lately, but come on, man.

01:47:15.000 Replacement rate achieved.

01:47:16.000 Got to account for something.

01:47:17.000 Absolutely, dude.

01:47:17.000 I didn't know about that.

01:47:18.000 And I don't know why you're coming at me about spoons because you know me, you know, I would never do that.

01:47:21.000 But congratulations on the baby.

01:47:22.000 We're very happy for you.

01:47:23.000 Puzzle cloud.

01:47:24.000 Good for them.

01:47:24.000 Absolutely.

01:47:25.000 God bless them.

01:47:27.000 This is funny.

01:47:28.000 I mean, this is so there's two right here I want to read.

01:47:30.000 Chris S said we were told to social distancing, to social distance, but rioting was okay.

01:47:34.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 I mean, I remember that's the minute I that's yeah, that's when it blew it out.

01:47:39.000 That was the second I knew because I remember at first I was cautious.

01:47:43.000 I remember thinking, maybe this is something, maybe this is real.

01:47:45.000 And then all those doctors signed out of that notice saying, well, the police going around killing unarmed black men is enough of a public health crisis that it warrants us disregarding COVID. 0.91

01:47:54.000 And I went, all right, it was all a nonsense.

01:47:56.000 Not only that, they literally said that BLM riots don't spread it.

01:48:00.000 That's right, they did.

01:48:01.000 But that right-wing protests against lockdowns do.

01:48:04.000 And I was like, well, we're safe.

01:48:05.000 And that January 6th.

01:48:07.000 We were on the fence at first as well, like most of the American public because we had very little information.

01:48:12.000 It did line up with the historic standard.

01:48:14.000 It's 100 years.

01:48:15.000 Time for a plague.

01:48:16.000 Yeah.

01:48:17.000 Right.

01:48:17.000 We get them about every 100 years.

01:48:19.000 I thought the same thing.

01:48:20.000 Yeah, it made sense.

01:48:21.000 And so we're going to take a wait-and-see approach.

01:48:23.000 It is possible that two weeks of social distancing might be necessary because maybe this thing is really deadly.

01:48:32.000 Maybe it's going to take out 5%, 10% of the population of Earth.

01:48:35.000 Like this could be a real problem that we just don't understand yet.

01:48:38.000 And then the second that happened, I remember my wife because we were already at that point.

01:48:44.000 We were like already very skeptical.

01:48:46.000 The second that happened, I remember she looked at me and she was like, no more masks. 1.00

01:48:49.000 This is all bullshit. 1.00

01:48:50.000 That's right. 1.00

01:48:51.000 Well, it's so funny because my insane trad Catholic friends, basically all of them from the get-go were like, it's not real. 0.95

01:49:00.000 I was like, no, guys, we got to like be a little more cautious than that.

01:49:03.000 This could be bad.

01:49:04.000 And then, of course, when that happened with the letter all the doctors signed, I went, okay, it's nonsense.

01:49:09.000 But then, yeah, on top of that, not only did I realize that was all nonsense, I went, oh, like, I don't think I will ever trust them ever again about anything.

01:49:17.000 Like, next, which is actually really dangerous because now if there is a very serious plague, people are going to put it in the same category.

01:49:23.000 No, but maybe, maybe it's the case that, good.

01:49:26.000 Like, even if it was, let's say, a very serious plague that was 5% or 10%, right?

01:49:31.000 Or in mortality or something like that.

01:49:33.000 You know, maybe the lockdowns, after seeing the ramifications of all the mental health that happened because of those, the massive distrust, things like that.

01:49:42.000 And it didn't seem like the lockdowns themselves did much to really curtail COVID spreading anyway.

01:49:47.000 So maybe it would be good that people just distrusted them and just went about their daily life anyway until it ran its course.

01:49:53.000 Maybe that really is the best thing.

01:49:54.000 I'm just going to start licking handrails.

01:49:56.000 Yeah.

01:49:56.000 Get that.

01:49:57.000 Just go lick the toilet seat. 1.00

01:49:59.000 Germaxing, as the kids say. 0.56

01:50:02.000 Will Matrix said, the purpose of liberty is to pursue virtue, but the left has perverted it to pursue vice.

01:50:07.000 It won't liberate you, but virtue will.

01:50:07.000 Vice is enslaving.

01:50:09.000 Amen.

01:50:09.000 I could have said it better myself.

01:50:10.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 We've turned freedom into a political buzzword.

01:50:15.000 We think of it as a concept related to government.

01:50:18.000 I mean, it is to some degree, but it more refers to an internal state.

01:50:21.000 Are you actually free?

01:50:22.000 Right.

01:50:23.000 And do you have, not only are you free, like, do you have the capacity for freedom?

01:50:26.000 Of course, all people have the capacity for freedom.

01:50:28.000 No, not all people have capacity for.

01:50:29.000 Like, if you are entrenched in vice, you just don't have the capacity for freedom.

01:50:32.000 Yeah, the idea.

01:50:33.000 You got to build it up.

01:50:34.000 Jocko, the guy that does that podcast, he makes the argument, and I think that it's a very compelling argument.

01:50:41.000 Discipline is the path to freedom.

01:50:43.000 Yes.

01:50:43.000 If you are beholden to vices, if you are constantly being jerked one way or another, and this is something that the Stoics used to talk about, too.

01:50:53.000 If you're constantly being jerked in one way or another by your emotions, by your emotional reaction, you're not free.

01:50:59.000 You're a slave to your ability.

01:51:00.000 Or by your addictions.

01:51:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:02.000 100%.

01:51:02.000 And, you know, like people forget with addiction, we're not just talking about drugs.

01:51:07.000 Guitar can become an addiction.

01:51:09.000 Video games can become an addiction.

01:51:10.000 Social media stuff.

01:51:11.000 Anything can become an addiction, which takes you away from the pathway of what you're talking about.

01:51:16.000 Discipline.

01:51:17.000 Totally, totally.

01:51:18.000 And the idea of, well, and he's making the idea of Catholic virtues, like Aristotelian Catholic virtues, but we have a similar device, methodology, and orthodoxy as well.

01:51:29.000 But both cases do rely on discipline.

01:51:32.000 Exactly.

01:51:33.000 That's why we have feasting and fasting.

01:51:35.000 Amen.

01:51:36.000 It's to teach you how to regulate that.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:38.000 That's what feasting and fasting is for, right?

01:51:40.000 It's to say, hey, you're going to give up something for these three months so that you can remember that you don't need it.

01:51:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:47.000 And also, if you're capable of denying yourself a legitimate good, then it becomes easier to deny illegitimate things that you actually shouldn't be doing.

01:51:53.000 You build that moral character.

01:51:55.000 Tiffany says, Seamus believes in purity testing the right.

01:51:58.000 Can you believe that?

01:51:59.000 A nice guy like me?

01:52:00.000 What?

01:52:01.000 Excluding conservative, moral atheists, Buddhists, and others, when 75 million voted for Kamala, you can't exclude 20% of the right.

01:52:08.000 You go back to losing.

01:52:09.000 Bad.

01:52:09.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:52:11.000 And I've said this, it just seems as if no matter how many times I articulate this as clearly as possible, I'm still misunderstood here, but I will say it one more time.

01:52:18.000 I do not believe the right should change its policies to accommodate any of the people fleeing from the left.

01:52:22.000 That does not mean I'm saying that we should push those people out.

01:52:25.000 If they want to run from the left to come to the right, they cannot turn us into a slightly less bad version of the left.

01:52:31.000 Isn't that paradoxical anyway?

01:52:33.000 Isn't he excluding you?

01:52:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:52:35.000 Exactly.

01:52:36.000 I can't have my pro-life values.

01:52:38.000 Exactly.

01:52:39.000 So isn't the great paradox here that he's gatekeeping?

01:52:43.000 This is the great replacement of conservatism.

01:52:45.000 You're like, let me tell you what being conservative means.

01:52:47.000 You need to leave.

01:52:48.000 You're the new conservatives.

01:52:51.000 The great paradox here is simple.

01:52:53.000 It's like, hey, you're gatekeeping.

01:52:54.000 That's not what the right is.

01:52:55.000 It's like, hey, what?

01:52:57.000 What?

01:52:58.000 What?

01:52:59.000 That makes no sense.

01:53:01.000 All right.

01:53:02.000 The Yeti 9-0 says, Andrew, I'm Muslim.

01:53:05.000 Once Christian, born and raised in America.

01:53:08.000 Okay, hang on.

01:53:09.000 Hang on, stop there.

01:53:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:15.000 We can reach this person.

01:53:19.000 That's a funny response.

01:53:22.000 No, I'm curious to see the rest because I want to see.

01:53:24.000 I've told men of all faiths for years to marry without the state and use a prenup. 0.66

01:53:28.000 Why is CGA against it?

01:53:31.000 Because if kids are cohabitating, do you not even want to answer that?

01:53:34.000 Because you mentioned he left the faith or I'm curious if you.

01:53:37.000 Oh, I think he's referencing a previous debate, but I don't actually understand the end of the question because under my view, you would still have more protections with kids than under his view, and he has no protections for him.

01:53:47.000 So that's just that the guy's entire position was incoherent.

01:53:51.000 It made no sense at all because he didn't have a position.

01:53:54.000 That's why. 0.95

01:53:55.000 Anyway, he has to be a ginger too, by the way, because I feel like the only people that convert from Christianity and become Muslim are always gingers. 1.00

01:54:04.000 I saw a stat that there was like upwards of 50% of English guys who have converted to Islam or ginger.

01:54:09.000 So I'm not sure.

01:54:10.000 That's crazy.

01:54:10.000 I know.

01:54:11.000 Every time I see this, they have no soul.

01:54:14.000 Have you ever seen Four Lions?

01:54:17.000 No.

01:54:17.000 Oh, there's this scene.

01:54:19.000 There's this, there's this like red.

01:54:21.000 It's about a group of Muslims in a terror cell, basically. 0.73

01:54:24.000 And it's like this British comedy, but one of them is a white ginger guy, basically.

01:54:29.000 And that does seem to be a stereotype.

01:54:31.000 I don't know.

01:54:31.000 Every time I see videos of these white English guys who are just there saying, Yeah, my name is Muhammad.

01:54:37.000 It's like, are you sure?

01:54:40.000 Did you pick that one?

01:54:41.000 Did your parents pick that for you?

01:54:42.000 Why do they adopt the accent, too? 0.70

01:54:44.000 That's weird.

01:54:44.000 It's crazy.

01:54:45.000 It's like, no, no, it's true.

01:54:46.000 It's like they did.

01:54:47.000 They're ordering.

01:54:51.000 They can't still be piles.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, you can't run in and be like, yo, bro, let me tell you about Muhammad, brother.

01:54:56.000 Like, they can't do that.

01:54:57.000 It can't be like the youth pastor version of.

01:55:01.000 Don't you have to learn Arabic to be Muslim?

01:55:04.000 That doesn't give you an accent when you're speaking in English that you learn Arabic.

01:55:08.000 And most people that read the Quran don't speak Arabic anyways.

01:55:11.000 It was one of those things that drove me crazy.

01:55:14.000 I remember when I was in college.

01:55:15.000 It's like when Brock says Pakistan, always pissing me off.

01:55:19.000 I know.

01:55:20.000 It always pissed me off.

01:55:21.000 He never said, I was like, dude, just say Pakistan.

01:55:24.000 That's the thing.

01:55:24.000 You need to go Pakistan.

01:55:26.000 When I was in college, I mentioned Muslims, and this girl I knew who was not Muslim, she said it's Muslim.

01:55:33.000 It's Muslim.

01:55:33.000 She's like trying to get me to say it.

01:55:35.000 And I was like, this is ridiculous.

01:55:36.000 No, because I say things in my American accent and not in someone else's accent.

01:55:41.000 When you talk about Ireland, you don't have to say, Ireland.

01:55:43.000 No one expects you.

01:55:45.000 Yeah, you don't have to mention.

01:55:48.000 There was a supremacy side of the table.

01:55:51.000 There was a reporter who made a quip about that recently, too.

01:55:54.000 He's like, people don't say my name.

01:55:55.000 It's like, oh, Johnny, or whatever it was.

01:55:57.000 I don't know why people feel it's just a way to demonstrate homework.

01:56:00.000 I get discriminated against all the time like this.

01:56:02.000 That's true.

01:56:03.000 Australians, we say no. 0.92

01:56:04.000 That's because the country's fake.

01:56:06.000 Instead of no.

01:56:06.000 Fake country.

01:56:07.000 And I get told that my country's fake.

01:56:11.000 I get told that we're a prison.

01:56:12.000 We are a prison.

01:56:13.000 Come on.

01:56:13.000 It's not real.

01:56:14.000 Don't be believe in kangaroos and koalas, dude.

01:56:17.000 Give me a break.

01:56:18.000 I mean, that part.

01:56:18.000 Well, hold on.

01:56:21.000 That's not true.

01:56:21.000 There's some spiritual truth to Australia.

01:56:25.000 You don't have to worry about them.

01:56:26.000 The ones you do have to worry about is the drop bears.

01:56:28.000 That's the only thing.

01:56:29.000 Snakes are pretty dangerous, but drop bears are the ones in Australia that are the most dangerous animals.

01:56:33.000 But otherwise, you're pretty sweet.

01:56:34.000 So do you have trouble getting, do you ever go back to Australia?

01:56:37.000 Are you, are you?

01:56:38.000 He lives there.

01:56:39.000 Okay, so how often do you come to the States?

01:56:41.000 I'm here for a two-week tour at the moment with Michael Hood.

01:56:44.000 Okay.

01:56:48.000 I come back every few months.

01:56:50.000 I'll be coming back to the next World War event. 0.99

01:56:52.000 Hey, like, he hangs out with me and stuff, and I don't know why.

01:56:56.000 He's just an Australian. 0.96

01:56:57.000 I mean, do we just loathe each other?

01:57:00.000 But for some reason, it's like, it just works.

01:57:01.000 It's like, oh, this is great. 0.98

01:57:03.000 Just wake up in the morning, just want to punch him straight away. 1.00

01:57:07.000 Yeah, hanging out with them is basically just like one of them on this side, one of them, you're gay. 1.00

01:57:11.000 No, you're gay. 1.00

01:57:13.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:57:14.000 So you came to the United States as an immigrant and a xenophobe was homophobic against you. 0.68

01:57:19.000 Exactly right. 0.98

01:57:19.000 Horrible. 0.98

01:57:20.000 The persecution you're subject to.

01:57:22.000 Why do you think he hates me so much?

01:57:24.000 American hillbillies is not escaping the track.

01:57:28.000 Do you find difficulty being in the United States as a foreigner?

01:57:32.000 Do you think like in Trump's America, it's inhospitable to you?

01:57:35.000 I don't know if we should save this for the rumble stream.

01:57:38.000 It's for the rumble stream.

01:57:39.000 All righty.

01:57:41.000 All right.

01:57:41.000 If you have to ask, the answer is yes.

01:57:43.000 Dalamar says to Rachel, on what page of Having It All is the quote saying, Those demon yuppies can't have a family also.

01:57:51.000 Need this for IRL trolling a family at Thanksgiving, handing out highlighted copies to prove they were lied to.

01:57:59.000 Wow.

01:57:59.000 Of my handing out highlighted copies.

01:58:01.000 Is that a book you wrote?

01:58:02.000 I inferred that you wrote a book called Having It All from This is a No, I think that's a so that would be like the opposite of my book.

01:58:08.000 That's like a feminist book where you can have a career and be like a working mom and do it all and have it all. 1.00

01:58:15.000 And you really can't.

01:58:15.000 First of all, you can't do that unless you're like rich and you can hire somebody else to do all the things you can't do when you're a stay-at-work mom.

01:58:22.000 By the way, stay-at-work mom. 1.00

01:58:24.000 Stay-at-home moms.

01:58:24.000 Don't stop calling yourself stay-at-home moms.

01:58:26.000 We're just moms.

01:58:28.000 The other women are stay-at-work moms. 1.00

01:58:31.000 I like it.

01:58:32.000 But I hope that he is highlighting my book and passing it out at Thanksgiving.

01:58:37.000 Occult feminism, one of the great books. 0.93

01:58:39.000 Good for feminist debate research. 1.00

01:58:41.000 Ali Bestuckey debate win.

01:58:43.000 Oh, I wish.

01:58:43.000 She has me blocked on everything.

01:58:46.000 Can we pull it out now though, Rach?

01:58:47.000 Ellie Bethstucky. 1.00

01:58:49.000 Yes, I would love to debate her.

01:58:50.000 Yes, I would love to debate.

01:58:51.000 We'll get it going.

01:58:52.000 On World War Debate.

01:58:53.000 On World War Debate.

01:58:54.000 Ellie Stuckey v. Rachel Wilson. 0.98

01:58:56.000 Clip it up.

01:58:56.000 Yes.

01:58:57.000 Let's get it going.

01:58:58.000 We need to see it.

01:58:59.000 It's a debate we all want to see.

01:59:00.000 We have Lewis.

01:59:03.000 Sorry.

01:59:03.000 We have Lewis FML1 says, what is keeping MAGA from protesting across America like the left?

01:59:09.000 Like the left?

01:59:10.000 Probably the left.

01:59:11.000 They have jobs, right?

01:59:11.000 Probably the law.

01:59:12.000 Yeah, but also like probably their tactics, the law.

01:59:16.000 That's what's stopping us.

01:59:17.000 But from protesting across America, again, yeah, also the jobs thing.

01:59:21.000 People having to have a job.

01:59:22.000 Well, these people have families.

01:59:24.000 They have families, and they have to, your bills come regardless of what the political situation is.

01:59:30.000 And so you can't get away from the fact that when people are off work at five o'clock, the protest is over.

01:59:37.000 Yeah, the only time we've had a big right-wing protest was when they told us all we couldn't open our businesses and go to work.

01:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 So then we all protested.

01:59:45.000 We have from Jake who said it was three gay men who adopted a baby in Canada.

01:59:49.000 Is that true?

01:59:50.000 Did this happen?

01:59:51.000 Yeah.

01:59:51.000 Recently?

01:59:53.000 Disgusting. 0.97

01:59:54.000 It like just the Christian right is undefeated in its predictions. 0.99

01:59:57.000 The hypotheticals that you pose becoming.

01:59:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:59.000 Andrew used to use that as a as a debate hypothetical.

02:00:03.000 So it's okay for three gay guys to adopt a baby. 0.72

02:00:05.000 He used to use that as like. 0.64

02:00:06.000 I'm looking at you, Brad Palumbo.

02:00:08.000 Looking at you, Brad Palumbo, when you said, what are we even talking about?

02:00:11.000 That's not ever going to happen.

02:00:13.000 Look at you, Brad.

02:00:15.000 And this is a pretty consistent issue where if you're on the right and you make any kind of joke or you try to make some kind of exaggeration to point out how ridiculous the left-wing position is or a liberal position is, it comes true.

02:00:25.000 This is something that's happened with my cartoons multiple times.

02:00:27.000 There was a tune we did nine years ago making fun of Occupy Wall Street after we became a lefty movement.

02:00:32.000 And the entire bit was that you had like these little cartoon millionaires protesting cartoon billionaires for being richer than them.

02:00:40.000 And the joke was it was a commentary on like white upper middle class Westerners protesting the people who happened who are like immensely wealthy on a global scale protesting those richer.

02:00:49.000 Now we literally do have millionaires who protest billionaires.

02:00:52.000 That's an actual thing.

02:00:53.000 That's an actual thing.

02:00:55.000 And it happens all the time.

02:00:56.000 They have too much.

02:00:57.000 They have too much.

02:00:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:00:59.000 They've got too much.

02:01:01.000 That's so frustrating.

02:01:06.000 So Thinker for Life says NPCs are actually reprobate mind.

02:01:10.000 Cure it with scripture.

02:01:11.000 Let it serve as proof.

02:01:12.000 Can't see in my mind before scripture, but can after.

02:01:16.000 Interesting.

02:01:16.000 So I think this person is saying they kind of understand the path that these people are on.

02:01:19.000 They read the Bible more.

02:01:21.000 But also part of the reason that happened is because God called you to read it before you ever picked it up.

02:01:25.000 So a huge important part of this is for people to pray for the NPCs in your lives.

02:01:29.000 I don't believe that it's, I don't believe that you can just read scripture, at least most of the time, and bring anybody to your side.

02:01:37.000 I think that in order to replace a worldview, you have to destroy the worldview.

02:01:41.000 Yeah.

02:01:42.000 So I'm sure that there's been instances where somebody has read some scripture to an NPC and converted them.

02:01:48.000 But I think that it's actually much better to destroy the current worldview they have, break that down, show them how it's wrong in order to then demonstrate how yours is right.

02:01:59.000 And I've always thought that that was kind of missing often in apologetics where the be nice aspect takes over the logical aspect.

02:02:08.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth in that.

02:02:10.000 Also, part of the reason it's taught the way that it is is because it's just impossible to teach everyone in an apologetics course all the different worldviews they'll have to dismantle.

02:02:18.000 But at the very least, they should be talking about atheistic liberalism because it's almost always some for-reaching to if you're not running into all of them.

02:02:26.000 Yeah, amen.

02:02:27.000 All right.

02:02:27.000 Amen.

02:02:28.000 Well, this has been an awesome show.

02:02:30.000 We're going to wrap out before we go to the members only section over on rumble.com.

02:02:34.000 But first, we're going to let everybody plug everything that they're doing and let us know, let you guys know where they can be found.

02:02:41.000 All right.

02:02:42.000 Well, please come to Nashville this weekend.

02:02:43.000 If you can make it and watch me debate a male feminist, it's going to be so much fun. 0.99

02:02:47.000 What could be more fun than getting wrecked by a stay-at-home mom, right?

02:02:51.000 If you're a male feminist, it's going to be awesome. 1.00

02:02:53.000 Just a mom. 0.93

02:02:54.000 I'm just a mom.

02:02:55.000 That's right.

02:02:56.000 Andrew, Jim Bob, Jake are all going to be there.

02:02:59.000 It's going to be total crucible domination.

02:03:01.000 So come out to Nashville, get a ticket, and come watch the debates.

02:03:05.000 Go to Amazon to find my book, Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation.

02:03:10.000 And for more awesome, fun, weird historical writing that you're going to find very entertaining, go to rwilson.substack.com.

02:03:20.000 And you can find me at PaleoChristCon on X. I'll shamelessly plug the Crucible, of course.

02:03:26.000 Shout out to the Crucible crew.

02:03:27.000 I'm sure a ton of you are in the chat right now.

02:03:30.000 Happy to see all of you over here.

02:03:32.000 And let me just point out World War Debate coming January 10th.

02:03:37.000 Huge venues, and we're going to be running them every couple of months all year.

02:03:42.000 It's going to be the gold standard for debates.

02:03:44.000 At least that's what we're shooting for.

02:03:46.000 So you can actually go buy, you can pre-buy tickets right now.

02:03:51.000 Also, come to DebateCon.

02:03:52.000 Make sure that you're doing that.

02:03:54.000 And lastly, you have to send me all of your money, not some of it.

02:03:59.000 I really need all of it, every bit of it.

02:04:02.000 Best way to do that is to go watch me on The Crucible or on The Extravaganza with my pristinely untalented co-host, Jake Rattlesnake.

02:04:10.000 And there's a super chat function there.

02:04:12.000 You can send me all of your cash, and we're awaiting it.

02:04:15.000 What do you have to say to that?

02:04:17.000 Well, I would like to say, Jake, Rattlesnake TV, live stream me a few times a week, and you can catch me on the extravaganza with my short king co-host.

02:04:26.000 Thank you, Wilson.

02:04:29.000 It's always good fun, you know, at least four times a week.

02:04:32.000 Get to Nashville DebateCon World War Debate.

02:04:35.000 Thank you.

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02:04:49.000 Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

02:04:52.000 My name is Seamus Coglin.

02:04:53.000 I've done over 600 animated cartoons, amassed over a million subscribers, and over 290 million views.

02:04:58.000 A civilization cannot continue to exist if all of the people telling stories in that civilization want for it to be destroyed.

02:05:05.000 And that's the situation that we're in right now, which is why myself and my team are fighting the culture war by making culture.

02:05:10.000 We are already nearing 75% of funding, might be over that at this point.

02:05:14.000 I haven't checked throughout the show.

02:05:15.000 We've got three days left to get fully funded.

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02:05:19.000 If you support at any level, you'll be able to watch our entire 25-minute long pilot episode, which is totally complete.

02:05:25.000 But time is running out.

02:05:27.000 We need to win the culture war.

02:05:29.000 We are trying to reshape the culture by saving media and breaking up Hollywood's monopoly.

02:05:32.000 And we will see you all over on Rumble.

02:05:35.000 for stopping by.

02:08:56.000 What's up, Phil?

02:08:57.000 How are you doing?

02:08:57.000 Nothing, man.

02:08:58.000 I'm doing pretty good.

02:08:59.000 We're going now.

02:09:00.000 In case anyone's checking in right now that was watching, everyone else just left to go look at the Aurora foot.

02:09:07.000 Yeah, you can watch Phil eat for better.

02:09:10.000 But if you are aware, you can go outside and check out the northern lights.

02:09:16.000 I have like a map here, my phone.

02:09:18.000 It looks again nice, like Utah above like the southern border of Utah, pretty much across the country, southern border of West Virginia, like northern part of California.

02:09:27.000 So, pretty much everyone in the country in the north can see this.

02:09:30.000 I would definitely go out and check it out.

02:09:31.000 If you look north below that line, you're gonna be able to.

02:09:34.000 We're alive.

02:09:35.000 I mean, we're technically the north.

02:09:35.000 We are.

02:09:37.000 I mean, we left Virginia to become part of the north, and I'd say we're pretty comfortably north.

02:09:42.000 What's up, Seamus?

02:09:43.000 Hey, wow.

02:09:43.000 Pleasure.

02:09:44.000 Happy you joined us, man.

02:09:46.000 Bro, I had to use the restroom.

02:09:47.000 No, that's not what you said.

02:09:47.000 No, no, no.

02:09:48.000 I heard you.

02:09:48.000 I'm going to go look at the northern lights.

02:09:50.000 No, I didn't go because I took my responsibilities too seriously.

02:09:53.000 She was gone.

02:09:54.000 That's a great reframing.

02:09:56.000 I'm going to guess who has the decency to actually stay on.

02:09:59.000 I think Andrew got it smoking cigarettes.

02:10:01.000 And I'm jealous.

02:10:02.000 I'm just smoking cigarettes like, whoa, man.

02:10:05.000 Do you guys think?

02:10:06.000 So, this is crazy.

02:10:07.000 We had the strongest solar flare of 20 years.

02:10:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:10:09.000 I want to talk about this.

02:10:10.000 Is this what everyone's talking about with the auroras?

02:10:12.000 I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it's right.

02:10:16.000 Yeah, so it says right here on the thing.

02:10:18.000 It could trigger widespread auroras across the northern half of the United States.

02:10:21.000 Hold on a second.

02:10:22.000 Aurora Borealis at this time of day in this part of the kitchen, localized entirely within your kitchen.

02:10:29.000 Kitchen?

02:10:30.000 Can I see it?

02:10:32.000 No one get the reference?

02:10:33.000 No.

02:10:33.000 Steamed hams?

02:10:34.000 None of you guys watch The Simpsons?

02:10:36.000 No.

02:10:37.000 So it's not the same as Aurora Borealis.

02:10:40.000 It's like a different kind of Aurora.

02:10:42.000 If you see right here, I mean, just zoom in for everybody.

02:10:45.000 Aurora is a general term for natural light displays in the sky.

02:10:48.000 Aurora Borealis specifically refers to lights in the northern hemisphere.

02:10:52.000 Maybe it's the same, but we're talking about Aurora Australis and stuff like that.

02:10:56.000 I don't know, but pretty crazy.

02:10:59.000 Hopefully, this doesn't cause another Carrington event and then ruin the world because TikTok stopped working on the lefties freak out and suddenly have time to ruin everything.

02:11:07.000 Who knows?

02:11:08.000 Maybe that does happen.

02:11:09.000 You never know.

02:11:10.000 I mean, it says right here, like the three solar outbursts, coronal mass ejections were launched from this active sunspot.

02:11:18.000 Is it something that happens often?

02:11:20.000 No, it's something we don't like happening because last time it happened in like 1859, I think like a bunch of telegraph stuff failed.

02:11:27.000 Really?

02:11:27.000 It caused a whole bunch of like train engines to fail.

02:11:30.000 But the thing is, like now with all the current digitization of everything, it's way more catastrophic if that fails.

02:11:35.000 It's I think we've done more to safeguard our technology against it.

02:11:39.000 No, no, no.

02:11:40.000 You don't think so?

02:11:41.000 Against coronal mass ejections?

02:11:43.000 No, they don't happen every day, so people don't like build that into their stuff.

02:11:46.000 I feel like we're in a pretty good spot, though.

02:11:47.000 Like, just hypothetically, if that were to happen here, we got samurai. 0.99

02:11:51.000 We could kill the neighbors. 0.91

02:11:52.000 I mean, there's a lot of guns and stuff, but we could go and go hunting, man. 0.99

02:11:57.000 You guys, is there any?

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