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00:04:32.000 Ruslan KD.

00:04:34.000 You said it right there.

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00:04:37.000 Who are you?

00:04:37.000 What do you do?

00:04:38.000 I'm a YouTuber, podcaster, author.

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00:04:47.000 Awesome.

00:04:48.000 Ian's here.

00:04:48.000 Hey, man.

00:04:49.000 What's up, everybody?

00:04:50.000 Ian Crossland in the house.

00:04:51.000 I'm an actor and a musician.

00:04:52.000 I'm really into this energy weapon thing we might talk about.

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00:05:07.000 Also known as the blue hoodie.

00:05:08.000 With the blue hoodie, I changed it to the polo we're in Florida.

00:05:11.000 I can't have the hoodie.

00:05:12.000 His shoes are blue right now.

00:05:13.000 They painted the roofs blue in Maui, I heard, before the directed energy weapons lit that fire.

00:05:18.000 Isn't that how the story was?

00:05:19.000 I'm just kind of joking.

00:05:19.000 I don't know.

00:05:20.000 I don't know if it was directed energy weapons that lit that fire in Maui, but there's a lot of blue roofs that were from the fire with an Oprah said the fire.

00:05:27.000 I don't know.

00:05:28.000 Can she sue me for asking that question?

00:05:30.000 No, I don't think Oprah said it either.

00:05:32.000 All right, let's get right into it.

00:05:33.000 From ABC News, Ryan Wedding, former Olympian turned FBI most wanted fugitive, was arrested.

00:05:38.000 Ryan Wedding, the former Olympic snowboarder, investigators said has been leading a major drug ring, has been arrested.

00:05:44.000 U.S. officials announced on Friday.

00:05:46.000 The 44-year-old Canadian was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list in connection with the indictments that allege he's responsible for tracking multi-ton quantities of cocaine from Colombia to Canada and connected with several murders for hire in Canada and Mexico.

00:06:01.000 At my direction, Department of Justice agents and FBI have apprehended yet another member of the FBI's top 10 most wanted list, Ryan Wedding.

00:06:09.000 The one-time Olympian snowboarder turned alleged violent cocaine king.

00:06:12.000 The U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said in an ex-post, Wedding was flown to the United States where he will face justice.

00:06:19.000 Look, I don't, I just found out about this story.

00:06:22.000 We were doing the culture war earlier.

00:06:26.000 But again, is the DOJ an agency that we can rely on?

00:06:31.000 It seems like they've been putting some effort into doing stuff after a year of basically a year of false starts.

00:06:38.000 Excuse me.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, I think.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, I think like, unfortunately, it's another one of those stories that Cash is not going to get credit for.

00:06:46.000 It's kind of like what we saw at the NBA.

00:06:47.000 Like, they do make moves.

00:06:49.000 They do do things.

00:06:51.000 I do think a lot of people out there just want to see arrests.

00:06:53.000 They want to see the people they view as enemies and their oppositions being arrested.

00:06:56.000 And without that, it's like these stories go.

00:06:59.000 Right.

00:06:59.000 But then as a justice maker, you can't just go off of emotions and appease people and give them the bloodthirst, you know.

00:07:06.000 So then you end up looking like the bad guy and your mistakes get blown out of proportion and your successes go under the radar sometimes when you're doing the right thing.

00:07:14.000 You know, it's a curse of being a good person in life a lot of times.

00:07:14.000 It's the curse.

00:07:18.000 Well, I mean, this guy's alleged to be a drug trafficker.

00:07:22.000 No, I mean, this isn't about vibes or anything like this.

00:07:26.000 Right.

00:07:27.000 They have a substantial amount of evidence, I suppose.

00:07:30.000 More about when people in the Justice Department are doing what's right and they're not going after people based on emotions.

00:07:34.000 They're doing like legitimate work.

00:07:37.000 They might end up looking like the bad guys because they're not satisfying people's bloodlust.

00:07:41.000 Are you under the impression, or is it your sense that the people in the DOJ are doing things off of emotion?

00:07:47.000 No.

00:07:48.000 No, no, no.

00:07:49.000 They've been really good about being like robotic about stuff.

00:07:52.000 What you're saying is they're not trying to appease their base by being emotional and just going after the people that those people want to arrest.

00:07:59.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the people that the people, most of the people, not everybody, but most of the people that seem to be most wanted by the internet, it is really based off of emotion.

00:08:10.000 They want to see their political enemies or people they deem as the bad guy.

00:08:15.000 They want to see them wrapped up regardless of whether or not there's enough evidence.

00:08:19.000 And look, if you're going to make the argument, well, they went after Donald Trump and there was little evidence or they created a situation where Donald Trump was guilty of things or they could say that Donald Trump was guilty of things.

00:08:32.000 I'm right there with you.

00:08:33.000 I totally think that most of the stuff that they went after Donald Trump, actually probably all of the stuff that they went after Donald Trump for was fabricated or somehow engineered to make it look like it was worse than it was.

00:08:46.000 Like the 34 felonies, like all that stuff was BS.

00:08:49.000 They changed the laws so that way Donald Trump could be indicted on the Gene Carroll stuff.

00:08:55.000 So I'm right there with you.

00:08:56.000 But that doesn't mean that the right should go or this DOJ, more to the point, should be trying to fabricate stuff to get people.

00:08:56.000 I agree.

00:09:05.000 I think that there's enough evidence of actual wrongdoing where they can legitimately say, look, the people that we're arresting, they're either guilty or we have enough evidence to believe they're guilty of crimes.

00:09:17.000 It's good to look at it.

00:09:18.000 There are enough legit criminals out there.

00:09:20.000 We don't need to fabricate stuff right now.

00:09:22.000 There's a lot of like illegal immigration and organizations, NGOs that are tied to those people that they can pull strings on and find out, well, who paid who, paid who, paid who.

00:09:31.000 And they can go to the top of the top and then they can give it to the executive branch and be like, maybe they were Mexican cartels.

00:09:37.000 You can have that aspect of it.

00:09:38.000 We'll take care of the domestic aspect of it.

00:09:40.000 Well, I mean, to your point, right?

00:09:41.000 Like, so there's a lot of people that want to see, you know, Antifa wrapped up.

00:09:45.000 They want to see arrests of Antifa members and stuff.

00:09:49.000 And because what I'm hearing is that they're looking at RICO cases, those kind of cases take a long time to tie together.

00:09:57.000 You can't just say, oh, we think all these people are connected because they all wore black block, or they were in black block or all they wore black to a protest.

00:10:07.000 You actually have substantial ties to make a RICO case stick.

00:10:11.000 And the last thing the DOJ wants to do is arrest people and not have things stick because that's not going to make anybody happy either, right?

00:10:18.000 Like if they were to go and arrest a bunch of people and say, well, you guys are all Antifa, right?

00:10:24.000 The DOJ doesn't follow through or they're not able to put people in jail.

00:10:29.000 The people that are up in arms right now, it'll only inflame those people.

00:10:33.000 They're only going to say, well, we can't trust the government.

00:10:36.000 We can't trust the judges.

00:10:37.000 So now you'll end up having people starting, even you'll have more people saying that we need to go to extreme measures and we need to take things into our own hands.

00:10:46.000 And that's not something we want at all.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, I find this interesting that this is like the real life Ozark.

00:10:53.000 This is a regular looking dude who seemingly was, you know, I guess a celebrity within this space, and he is a drug lord.

00:11:01.000 Like, this is crazy stuff.

00:11:01.000 I know.

00:11:02.000 Now, what I also find interesting is that from the outside, looking at it, I would think that anyone who's an Olympian and crushing it is not going to need to move cocaine and drugs across state lines.

00:11:12.000 And so I'm curious how much of this is, hey, you get all this celebrity notoriety clout and your lifestyle increases and now you got to maintain this status so then you get into shady stuff.

00:11:22.000 Or if this dude was always into shady stuff and it just all amplified as he became more high-profile.

00:11:27.000 I mean, I imagine the kind of person that would want to put the effort into becoming an Olympian level snowboarder, right?

00:11:36.000 Like that guy's kind of got to be an adrenaline junkie.

00:11:39.000 Is that tied to his being in the drug world, being trafficking drugs?

00:11:44.000 Is he looking for that high again?

00:11:46.000 Because if you, I mean, obviously, most of your drug lords or whatever, they're motivated by money.

00:11:55.000 But this guy ostensibly had a lot of fame and money before that.

00:11:59.000 Do you think he was really rich prior to this?

00:12:02.000 I was going to say I'd fact check that because as an Olympian, I don't think they typically don't make a lot of money.

00:12:06.000 No, but I mean, I imagine he had sponsorships, he had a lot of notoriety and stuff.

00:12:11.000 So I'm just thinking that, like, again, this is just, you know, I'm just imagining this, but like he's after the adrenaline.

00:12:22.000 And a lot of people that end up in, you know, doing any kind of criminal activity, a lot of times they're, they're after the high of getting away with it, you know, and the money is nice, obviously, if you're, you're moving that much cocaine, you know, you're making a boatload of money.

00:12:35.000 But like, I'm wondering, is it, was the motivating factor of the money or was the motivating factor like, I'm beating the law, you know, they can't catch me.

00:12:43.000 I think the adrenaline's part of it, but also, and you saw with the NBA story, it's the same thing.

00:12:47.000 It's like these people have connections.

00:12:50.000 You know, the higher you get, the more famous you become.

00:12:52.000 You are connected to people with money and influence and stuff.

00:12:55.000 And, you know, you start doing a little bit here and there.

00:12:58.000 You have people, you know, the people that have the connections.

00:13:00.000 They want the product.

00:13:01.000 And, you know, so to your point, Phil, I do think there's a little bit of the adrenaline, but also it's, he's in the right place at the right time and he knows the right.

00:13:08.000 Do they drug test when he was in the Olympics and how long ago did he win this gold medal?

00:13:12.000 Because I'm curious if he was using Coke before.

00:13:14.000 That's why he was really good.

00:13:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:16.000 And then how long ago was this?

00:13:18.000 I'm not sure.

00:13:21.000 That's a good question.

00:13:22.000 I don't even know if he won a medal.

00:13:23.000 No, I don't think he won a medal at all.

00:13:24.000 I think he just was an Olympic.

00:13:25.000 He's just an Olympian.

00:13:26.000 Yeah, I see here.

00:13:28.000 A billion dollars.

00:13:29.000 CNN says the Attorney General Pam Bondi previously said weddings operation was responsible for more than one billion a year in illegal drug proceeds.

00:13:37.000 Officials have believed wedding to be somewhere in Mexico under the protection of the Sinaloa cartel.

00:13:41.000 Look, a billion dollars, that's a lot of money.

00:13:45.000 That'll make people do a lot of crazy things.

00:13:47.000 Yeah.

00:13:48.000 And I think there's a lot of libertarians out there screaming like this is also why we just need to legalize drugs.

00:13:53.000 I mean, more Olympians.

00:13:55.000 No.

00:13:56.000 So that way the Olympians can get the Coke.

00:13:58.000 No, you end the black market.

00:14:00.000 You destroy it overnight.

00:14:02.000 That's one of those arguments.

00:14:03.000 I'm not saying I'm not making this argument.

00:14:05.000 I'm just saying I know there's people.

00:14:06.000 This is why they make this argument.

00:14:08.000 Our FBI is going after people constantly putting their lives at risk over drugs that because they're illegal, there's this black market.

00:14:16.000 As a former libertarian, I personally don't find that argument compelling anymore.

00:14:22.000 And a lot of the reason is not that the DOJ and the government doesn't spend a lot of money trying to enforce the drug laws.

00:14:31.000 It's the results of having drugs very accessible.

00:14:36.000 You look at places like California, basically the whole West Coast, right?

00:14:39.000 Portland, Oregon, Washington State.

00:14:43.000 You can see the homeless population and you can see the absolute havoc that those drugs have wreaked on the homeless population.

00:14:53.000 There's a lot of people that if they didn't have access to drugs, if they didn't have the ability to shoot up wherever they wanted, or not wherever they, well, basically wherever they want, on the street, if they didn't have the ability to do that, they would be more inclined to do the things necessary to have a house.

00:15:11.000 If you can stay in Southern California, live on the streets where it's basically always nice, you don't have to worry about getting shelter from snowstorms.

00:15:21.000 Yeah, you're not going to worry about it.

00:15:23.000 Like if you're in San Diego, you get a nice jacket and even the chilly mornings, you're fine.

00:15:28.000 And you can shoot up drugs without the police coming and telling you you got to move along, without having to worry about the government trying to enforce drug laws on you.

00:15:39.000 There's a lot of allure to that.

00:15:41.000 There's a lot of people that are like, I will choose to do drugs.

00:15:44.000 Whereas if you constantly are getting told, you got to go, you can't do that here.

00:15:47.000 You get arrested and thrown in jail and you have to deal with all that stuff, that will make, that does, not just will, but that does make people decide that they don't want to live that lifestyle anymore.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, so thanks for looking that up.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, 28th, placing 28th in 2002.

00:16:02.000 24th?

00:16:03.000 Okay, I got 28th here, 2002, which is a long time ago.

00:16:07.000 Second, I took an oceanography class when I was in high school still, and I live in San Diego.

00:16:12.000 I live in North County.

00:16:13.000 And one of the things that oceanography class talked about in the class was talking about because the climate is so neutral where we live, that there has been documentation.

00:16:19.000 I don't know how much of this is prevalent now, but definitely in the 90s and early 2000s where other cities would ship us their homeless people.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:27.000 Well, it's funny, 24th, so he could have competed in the women's side and then been first.

00:16:32.000 Number one.

00:16:33.000 But to Phil's point, you know, and I have this discussion with Tate all the time because he's like the youngest curmudgeon I've ever met.

00:16:40.000 But he argues the same thing.

00:16:41.000 He says, you know, if people don't have access, they won't do it.

00:16:45.000 I think that's true.

00:16:46.000 Well, I've grown up.

00:16:47.000 I grew up in Chicago.

00:16:48.000 You know, weed was illegal.

00:16:50.000 Coke was illegal.

00:16:50.000 All this mushrooms was illegal.

00:16:52.000 Guess what the kids always had?

00:16:53.000 Right.

00:16:54.000 And like what I've kind of seen, like since weed is like one of them where it's been legalized, I've seen people who would normally seek it out are seeking it out less because they can kind of get it anytime.

00:17:06.000 And the cool factor has gone away.

00:17:08.000 It's like when you tell people they can't have something, it gives it that oomph of like, oh, now I'm really going to go get it because you're telling me I can't have it.

00:17:15.000 But when you tell them they can have it, it's like kind of like alcohol.

00:17:17.000 It's like.

00:17:19.000 But to that point, like it is like marijuana and heroin are totally different.

00:17:24.000 They have a totally different effect on your ability, on your, on your body, on your ability to function in society.

00:17:29.000 There are plenty of people out there that smoke pot that it doesn't mess up their life, right?

00:17:34.000 Like I think probably the majority of people that are recreational marijuana users, they'll smoke pot and it's not a big deal.

00:17:41.000 It doesn't ruin their life.

00:17:43.000 But there aren't a lot of recreational heroin users, right?

00:17:46.000 If you're taking fentanyl, it was a professor that tried, that did a whole experiment out in D.C. that tried to prove that you can use heroin.

00:17:53.000 Microdose.

00:17:54.000 No, no, no, no.

00:17:54.000 Yeah.

00:17:55.000 Oh, he was shooting up.

00:17:56.000 And you guys could Google this on your own.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 Whoa.

00:17:58.000 But yeah, and his whole point.

00:17:59.000 I remember that guy.

00:18:00.000 Yeah, his whole point was dreadlocks.

00:18:02.000 Yes, black dude with dreadlocks.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, I am going to show that addiction is more correlated to class and environment. 0.91

00:18:09.000 And so I'm going to prove to you that because I have a stable life as a professor and I have a stable income, I'm going to be a functional heroin.

00:18:15.000 I would love to follow up on this guy.

00:18:16.000 I don't want to remember what happened.

00:18:18.000 Dr. Michael, what was that guy's name?

00:18:20.000 We'll figure it out.

00:18:21.000 No, it's a good question because it's like, it's one of those things where it's like the chicken or the egg.

00:18:26.000 Is it people are seeking out?

00:18:27.000 Because it is illegal.

00:18:28.000 Like this guy's whole billion-dollar business wouldn't exist if it was legal.

00:18:33.000 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 I think as a I used to hold more of a libertarian view on this.

00:18:37.000 So I, so I, so I understand what you're saying.

00:18:39.000 I think as I became a father, I'm a father of three now.

00:18:43.000 I absolutely want more friction for vices and then less friction for vices.

00:18:49.000 And I think that to me just makes more sense.

00:18:51.000 No, I'm going to challenge you, Rusal. 0.99

00:18:53.000 Like when you tell your kids they can't do something, what do they want to do?

00:18:57.000 My kids love Jesus and are really good kids.

00:19:00.000 So they usually listen to their father.

00:19:02.000 I think if the kids trust the parents, because the parents create a really comfortable and warm and loving environment, they'll listen to them.

00:19:07.000 Because I was told, don't smoke pot or drink alcohol.

00:19:10.000 But I didn't do it until I was 23.

00:19:12.000 I didn't want to do it.

00:19:13.000 I knew it was poisonous and I thought it was problem is when you start to learn about what drug, like drug, it comes from the word meaning dried herb, basically.

00:19:20.000 It's such a vague term for thousands and tens of thousands of chemicals.

00:19:24.000 And it's the hyper addictive ones that you don't want to make legal because you just get a little taste and then it's like you're thinking about it and craving like that is crazy dangerous, especially for like people other than the Carl Hart, the doctor that you were talking about earlier, Carl Hart, who wants to be able to do that.

00:19:40.000 No, I would say, like, alcohol is like one of those things, especially, you know, coming from the Midwest, alcohol is like a big thing out there.

00:19:45.000 And we have a rule of law that says you can't drink it unless you're 21, right?

00:19:49.000 And what happens to a lot of kids when they get into college?

00:19:52.000 Oh, they end up drinking a ton because they, you know, their parents have told them they can't have it.

00:19:56.000 You can't have it.

00:19:57.000 They get into college where there's access to it.

00:19:59.000 Then they overdose.

00:20:00.000 They like literally die from alcohol.

00:20:02.000 I think the second time I drank.

00:20:03.000 I was going to say, but Europe treats it differently, where Europe's like, hey, you know, they're drinking at 14, 15.

00:20:08.000 The parents are saying, hey, this is how you consume this.

00:20:10.000 This is like, you know, how you should do it.

00:20:12.000 So by the time they get, you know, to adulthood, they're not like craving it.

00:20:17.000 And it's not like this cool thing anymore because they were introduced to it.

00:20:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:21.000 So there is that argument of like, hey, sometimes you got to, you know, you got to show them.

00:20:26.000 You got to, you know what I mean?

00:20:28.000 Yeah, most of the most of the people that are that are using drugs that are living on the streets, like there's usually a correlation between drug use, mental illness, if you're living on the streets, right?

00:20:40.000 The two things tend to be the Venn diagram is almost a circle.

00:20:45.000 I assume there are people that can recreationally use just about any drug.

00:20:50.000 I don't think that it's something that we want to say, oh, hey, it's actually okay to use heroin.

00:20:56.000 It's way too easy to overdose.

00:20:59.000 Something like heroin or any other drugs that are like opiates and stuff, you can stop your heart if you use them and stuff.

00:21:07.000 So I think that, granted, this guy, Dr. Hart, he did use heroin and it was recreational.

00:21:14.000 And he survived.

00:21:16.000 And I don't think that he's on it now anymore.

00:21:18.000 He was on Joe Rogan and talked about his experience.

00:21:20.000 He wrote a book about it.

00:21:21.000 And so that's all well and good.

00:21:24.000 But I don't think that the average heroin user does have that ability.

00:21:28.000 Look, I used to drink a whole ton.

00:21:31.000 I used to drink as much as any other alcoholic that you'd know.

00:21:34.000 And I just stopped.

00:21:36.000 It wasn't like it wasn't some, it wasn't an actual issue for me to stop.

00:21:41.000 That being said, that isn't the case for most people.

00:21:45.000 If you're drinking a lot, wake up, get drunk till you pass out, get up again, get drunk.

00:21:53.000 Doing that consistently, most of the time that ends up killing people.

00:21:58.000 Most people can't control it.

00:21:59.000 I've gone in and out of phases of addiction with weed, particularly weed, a little bit of alcohol, but it's like unless there's a purpose.

00:22:04.000 If there's a purpose to stop, I stop immediately.

00:22:06.000 I don't need it.

00:22:07.000 I never needed it.

00:22:09.000 But if there's no reason to stop, I'm like, well, if I can keep going and keep using this thing and keep succeeding, then I don't need to stop it.

00:22:16.000 But if there's like shit hits the fan, pardon my, like immediately, all that stuff's out the window, folks. 0.89

00:22:21.000 Always swearing. 0.99

00:22:22.000 Always swearing.

00:22:23.000 Poop hits the fan.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 Nasty phrase anyway.

00:22:26.000 I agree.

00:22:26.000 I agree with what you're saying, but it's like having the access to it too.

00:22:30.000 And I think a lot of these people that are using heroin and cocaine and all this stuff to an excess would do that with any substance.

00:22:38.000 Like some people use food.

00:22:39.000 Some people do other things.

00:22:41.000 Whatever it is.

00:22:42.000 They just have something wrong in their life and they're using a substance to kind of fill in those gaps.

00:22:47.000 That's a whole different story.

00:22:49.000 What do you guys think about cocaine in general?

00:22:51.000 I don't know if you guys have much experience.

00:22:52.000 I've taken it like five times in my life.

00:22:55.000 It's nasty.

00:22:56.000 It's so concentrated.

00:22:57.000 That's the biggest part because I have a coca leaf where they like in South America, they'll put a little tobacco in like a leaf and they'll stick it up in their lip and they'll just kind of suck on it and you get the buzz, but you also get the tobacco.

00:23:07.000 And like cocoa, right?

00:23:10.000 You've tried the cocoa leaf.

00:23:11.000 Because they have like cocoa tea that I think is way less potent to cocaine.

00:23:11.000 Yeah.

00:23:15.000 Because they're adding like gasoline and all kinds of weird stuff to cocaine.

00:23:18.000 I remember I went down this rabbit hole with cocaine specifically.

00:23:21.000 I think the deeper issue is that there's a meaning crisis and a purpose crisis.

00:23:25.000 So when people lack purpose and meaning, they resort to vices.

00:23:29.000 And then, yes, it's probably a degree of genetics where you're more predisposed to being an addict.

00:23:33.000 And so if you're already predisposed to be an addict, but you don't have anything to redirect that to something constructive, productive, music, art, building a business, then you can slide into seasons of addiction.

00:23:44.000 See, I think that's probably the best argument for keeping it illegal.

00:23:49.000 Because there's a lot of people, especially nowadays as we have this crisis of meaning, like people really, without, there's, you know, religion is on the rise here in the United States, but I don't think that there's ever been a time in human history where there have been more people that are agnostic or atheist.

00:24:07.000 Right.

00:24:07.000 And without that kind of, without family, without the kind of things that religion offers, without the things the community offers, you end up with a lot of people that kind of don't have a lot of meaning.

00:24:18.000 And I think that if you were to introduce, if you legalize drugs, specifically drugs that are very dangerous for you, I think you end up with more bad results than you do good.

00:24:30.000 Nowadays, you see kids, a lot of young guys that are just kind of retreating from society.

00:24:34.000 They're going into playing video games, smoking pot all the time, watching too much porn.

00:24:39.000 And I think you'll only see those kind of behaviors compound if you were to have something like heroin being illegal.

00:24:45.000 Well, I think in California, weed is basically legalized.

00:24:48.000 And we've definitely seen spikes of petty crime, spikes of these sorts of things when you decriminalize something.

00:24:54.000 And I understand.

00:24:55.000 I don't want people going to jail for decades for weed. 1.00

00:24:57.000 Like, that's stupid as well. 0.98

00:24:58.000 At the same time, though, when you destigmatize something, then you're totally right. 0.99

00:25:02.000 Then the young person who doesn't quite understand that success and starting a family and building a business and having a stable income and having a purpose takes decades and not weeks.

00:25:12.000 What are they going to do?

00:25:13.000 They're going to wake up, smoke weed, play video games, hang out, and waste away their most crucial years of their life, which is 18 to 25.

00:25:22.000 When you should be building the foundation, you're getting stoned and playing video games all day.

00:25:25.000 I'm using very broad generality, but there is something to that.

00:25:29.000 And so in California, the weed now, because of the dispensary, is more potent.

00:25:34.000 And you start seeing the correlation between weed use with people who might have schizophrenia tendencies in their line.

00:25:41.000 And I personally know multiple people that cannabis use triggered schizophrenia because they were predisposed to it genetically.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, they started changing weed over the last couple of 20 years or something where it's like 29% THC and they strip all the CBD out of the leaf or whatever.

00:25:57.000 And it's like, bro, the CBD, the cannabinol, is like the healing aspect of the plant.

00:26:03.000 If you remove that and you just give them the hyperstimulant, the psychoactive stimulant, of course they're going to have like heart palpitations and psychotic breaks and shit. 0.80

00:26:11.000 So like that's that. 0.71

00:26:13.000 So it's almost like a different plant at that point.

00:26:16.000 Well, this is where I'm going to agree to disagree.

00:26:18.000 I don't think that taking the access away helps.

00:26:22.000 Like the people, those people are still going to seek that stuff out.

00:26:25.000 They're going to find it.

00:26:27.000 Again, I grew up in Chicago.

00:26:28.000 Weed was illegal.

00:26:29.000 Mushrooms were illegal.

00:26:30.000 Cocaine was illegal.

00:26:31.000 Guess what?

00:26:32.000 Everyone still got it.

00:26:33.000 They just had to pay these guys more money, like this guy wedding here.

00:26:36.000 The problem was just the way it is.

00:26:37.000 Do you remember the DARE program in the 80s?

00:26:39.000 Yeah, it didn't work.

00:26:40.000 Well, what it did was it put weed and heroin and cocaine all together.

00:26:44.000 So when you find out weed is like a kind of a gentle psychoactive plant, and then you're like, whoa, are they lying to me about all these other ones?

00:26:51.000 And then that's the gateway.

00:26:52.000 But if you can educate people about marijuana, the plant, and it's a completely different thing than cocaine and heroin, like opium and all these crazy fentanyl, it's like, dude, this.

00:27:03.000 Yeah, but the DARE project, I think, fundamentally failed because it was literally the nerdiest thing that kids saw.

00:27:09.000 It wasn't cool.

00:27:10.000 Get off of drugs, and it was the dorkiest thing.

00:27:12.000 And guess what the kids saw?

00:27:13.000 They're like, wait a minute, the biggest nerds I know are telling me not to do something.

00:27:17.000 I'm going to want to do it more.

00:27:18.000 Look, I have never done cocaine and never done heroin or anything like that.

00:27:22.000 And I've been around plenty of that stuff in my life, touring in a band.

00:27:26.000 You see basically everything that you could possibly want.

00:27:30.000 I've had offered to me and been around.

00:27:32.000 And I never did.

00:27:34.000 I mean, I can't speak for anyone else.

00:27:36.000 I can't speak for, you know, what anyone else's life is like.

00:27:40.000 But, you know, just because you're around it doesn't mean that you're going to do it.

00:27:44.000 And again, I think particularly to your point, if you feel like you have a fulfilled life or you have a goal in your life, something that you're after, you're far less likely to do that kind of stuff.

00:27:55.000 Let me just add this.

00:27:56.000 As someone that comes, my mother's an alcoholic. 1.00

00:27:58.000 I come from a ton of alcohol abuse.

00:28:01.000 Soviets loved to drink their vodka. 0.85

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 And I would also say that in my own life, I experienced SA as a kid, and that did a number on me in terms of pornography and all that sort of stuff.

00:28:15.000 The way addiction, the most linear way to fight addiction is twofold.

00:28:19.000 One, you remove it by creating friction, and two, you replace it with something better.

00:28:24.000 And so I understand, I understand what you're saying.

00:28:26.000 And I used to believe it, but I think when you remove as a society, we're embracing this thing and we're making it cool and we're making it more potent.

00:28:34.000 The more friction you can create for general people, I actually think the better.

00:28:39.000 But you have to give them something better.

00:28:40.000 You have to give them something to replace that meaning, purpose, God, career, something to replace that.

00:28:46.000 And that's the issue.

00:28:48.000 And so for me, if I'm looking at my own struggles and having experienced that, I have to have friction on my phone so I don't access stuff that I shouldn't be looking at.

00:28:59.000 And I'm constantly trying to create friction for the bad things.

00:29:03.000 Don't have junk food in the house.

00:29:04.000 Don't have snacks in the house and create easier pathways for the good things.

00:29:08.000 I got a gym in a tough shed.

00:29:09.000 I got access to the Bible all the time.

00:29:11.000 I have access to accountability and friends.

00:29:13.000 So I think that's the balance with addiction as a whole.

00:29:16.000 And just my argument is making it legal makes it less cool.

00:29:20.000 Like making it accessible makes it.

00:29:22.000 When it's not accessible and it's rare, that's when it's cool.

00:29:26.000 I don't agree.

00:29:28.000 I'm not a reverse psychology.

00:29:29.000 I was just like, my parents said it was bad.

00:29:31.000 Don't do it.

00:29:31.000 So I believe them.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 I know we got to move on.

00:29:33.000 Yep, but that's all we're doing.

00:29:36.000 We have to do it.

00:29:36.000 We're going to restore it all.

00:29:38.000 We're going to jump to this story here from the post-millennial.

00:29:40.000 Breaking anti-ICE agitators bring U-Haul van with shields and gear to Minneapolis federal building, attempt to impede feds, ICE ERO head.

00:29:50.000 A top ICE official revealed in a Friday press conference that the agitators have descended upon Minneapolis Whipple Federal Building in an effort to impede immigration enforcement activities.

00:30:00.000 Marcos Charles, the acting executive associate director of ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations, has said, moments ago, a group of agitators, a U-Haul van filled with shields and gear decided to come over here to the Whipple building and block traffic.

00:30:14.000 They are currently trying to impede us from getting out of the building and going to do our mission.

00:30:19.000 Look, this is not new behavior from basically Antifa, right?

00:30:24.000 Like we saw this during the George Floyd riots.

00:30:28.000 You would see a whole U-Haul full of gear and stuff.

00:30:33.000 This stuff is coming from somewhere, right?

00:30:35.000 There is someone funding this kind of stuff.

00:30:37.000 Now, whether it be activists or NGOs or what have you, I think this speaks to our conversation earlier about the federal government trying to build RICO cases.

00:30:48.000 Whoever's supplying this stuff, that's who the federal government should be going after, as well as the people on the ground that are fighting with the feds.

00:30:56.000 I think this is a really bad game of chicken.

00:30:59.000 I think both sides in this, I would love to see some degree of de-escalation.

00:31:04.000 I had Pastor Jack Hibbs on, who's friends with the Trump administration, and I asked him specifically about the ICE raids and riots.

00:31:11.000 And I'm going to take a very nuanced position.

00:31:12.000 You guys may hate me for this.

00:31:13.000 I think most people want the criminals out of this country.

00:31:16.000 I think most people want to get the criminals out.

00:31:18.000 I don't think most people signed up to get the Buelas out, to get the folks that have been here for decades out.

00:31:24.000 And I'm talking about people without criminal records.

00:31:26.000 I'm talking about people without any issues.

00:31:27.000 And so what seems to be happening is there's a sweeping.

00:31:30.000 And according to Pastor Jack Hibbs, it's twofold.

00:31:33.000 One, the people that are getting swept up that don't have criminal records, according to him, are being cut loose.

00:31:39.000 And people aren't catching wind of that.

00:31:41.000 So they'll sweep up a bunch of illegal immigrants, people that aren't supposed to be here. 1.00

00:31:44.000 These people are getting cut loose.

00:31:46.000 They're going back in, but that's never being televised.

00:31:48.000 The second thing is Trump is trying to make this law and order statement that we're going to go in.

00:31:54.000 And now, according to the sheriffs in Minneapolis, they're saying they're pulling over police officers and asking them for papers.

00:32:00.000 Like that, this seems like a bad game of chicken on that side.

00:32:03.000 We're going to escalate the use of force.

00:32:04.000 We're going to look more strong and brave.

00:32:07.000 Why?

00:32:07.000 Because we're trying to send a signal and we're trying to show who's in charge.

00:32:10.000 That's one side of it.

00:32:11.000 And then you have, to your point, this weird Antifa, possibly George Soros, whoever's funding this sort of stuff, that's now making it more and more intense and impeding on these actual investigation where I'm seeing people pull up and they're saying, hey, we're here to take out this PDF file.

00:32:25.000 You're impeding on our investigation. 0.99

00:32:26.000 And it's like, that's stupid. 1.00

00:32:28.000 And so I just feel like it's this big game of chicken to show who has the biggest balls. 1.00

00:32:32.000 And at some point, like, this is all going to hit the fan. 0.71

00:32:35.000 And I think we're only seeing a slither of what's possible when Antifa, you got the Black Panthers out in Philly that got guns on them. 0.91

00:32:43.000 It's like, what are we doing?

00:32:45.000 Where is this going?

00:32:46.000 One problem is that it is a game of chicken, but one side is like a drone car.

00:32:50.000 It's like a driverless vehicle.

00:32:52.000 So what is the point?

00:32:54.000 And by that, I mean it's foreign entities funding Antifa to overthrow the U.S. government.

00:32:58.000 There's no lose for them.

00:32:59.000 They're going to win if Antifa gets slaughtered.

00:33:01.000 They're going to win if the government gets toppled.

00:33:03.000 So it's a game of chicken with like a robot.

00:33:04.000 Like, what are we trying to kill our own right arm?

00:33:07.000 I don't, I know other people might have different ideas than that, but I agree with that aspect of it.

00:33:11.000 Like harder is not always better.

00:33:13.000 Well, I think it's an interesting take, and I'm sure the chat's going nuts right now because I do think the sentiment against immigration has changed.

00:33:13.000 Right.

00:33:22.000 You know, when you say, oh, we want to go after the criminals, obviously everyone agrees with that.

00:33:26.000 But the whole get the Abuelas out, that actually is where a lot of people are right now because the Abuelas and the people that are here illegally are taking away opportunities from the younger generation. 1.00

00:33:37.000 You know, they're taking away employment opportunities.

00:33:40.000 The Abuelas are taking employment opportunities from the younger generation. 0.91

00:33:44.000 Yeah, so like we're in Florida right now.

00:33:45.000 And I actually had a really good conversation with a couple of the guests this week on this.

00:33:49.000 We're in Florida and there's a lot of construction that's going on out here.

00:33:53.000 And I thought I was going to see kind of more American labors out here.

00:33:56.000 And out here, guess what?

00:33:57.000 It's all Mexican laborers, right? 1.00

00:33:59.000 And, you know, so I was kind of talking to some of the local people about this and I was kind of surprised about it.

00:34:03.000 But like, unfortunately, what, you know, them being in those positions, A, it's like there's a whole domino effect with like how the economy works and like how the people that employ illegals and low-labor immigrants can literally price out the competition. 0.97

00:34:18.000 But even beyond that, the positions that they're in are they're they're taking those away from like the young kids, the 20-year-olds, the, you know, the 18-year-olds, the 20-year-olds, the people like these are the jobs where you cut your teeth, you meet the people, you get the networking, you learn the skills. 0.98

00:34:33.000 Like everyone, when they're younger, they have to be in these shit jobs. 0.96

00:34:37.000 And with the immigrants being in these jobs, those kids don't have that accessibility. 1.00

00:34:41.000 They don't have those opportunities.

00:34:43.000 So I think, you know, I could be wrong, but I think the position on immigration has changed because the younger generation is seeing that these people are taking away the opportunities from themselves.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, I just don't know if I buy that the Abuelas and the folks that have been here for generations and generations are taking opportunities from young men.

00:35:02.000 I don't know if I believe that.

00:35:03.000 And furthermore, didn't Trump have to flip his policy on hospitality specifically in Florida because he started getting calls saying, hey, you can't just get all these people.

00:35:16.000 To your point, Trump changing his stance on, say, migrant workers or what have you.

00:35:26.000 That's not representative of the base.

00:35:28.000 That's Trump playing to the people that are employing people.

00:35:32.000 Well, no, not the populace.

00:35:34.000 The base and the populace, the young Trump voters, they actually are upset with Trump because he's not doing enough.

00:35:42.000 The young guys are like, look, we wanted more deportations.

00:35:46.000 And they're they're a vocal, probably minority of the right.

00:35:50.000 But they are grown.

00:35:51.000 They are a growing minority and they're the ones that are going to be they're the ones that are going to be, you know, looking to be activists or involved in the the the administration.

00:36:03.000 I do think that the average person will say, yeah, I think we should probably send illegals out. 1.00

00:36:10.000 Now, I understand you bring up grandparents and stuff like that.

00:36:13.000 And fair enough, they're not high on the list of people to get.

00:36:18.000 And if the Trump administration is cutting people loose, if they don't have violent criminal records, that's something that the media is not going to cover because the media wants to see the sensationalism.

00:36:29.000 They want to see the confrontations because it gets clicks.

00:36:33.000 And of course, to Ian's point, there are international entities, NGOs, and stuff like that that have a stake in this as well.

00:36:40.000 But I do think that the the average Trump voter would say, yeah, we should we should send illegals back. 0.89

00:36:46.000 I do think that maybe you're right.

00:36:47.000 I don't know.

00:36:48.000 I would just say optically, like optically and pragmatically, you're not persuading anyone by having ICE pull up on kids, on grandmas, on police officers, but to say, show me your papers.

00:37:03.000 So to that point, if they're confronting actual police officers and stuff like that, ICE needs to adjust their tactics.

00:37:11.000 But I don't think that the optics of ICE actually doing this really are going to affect whether or not people want to see deportations.

00:37:20.000 Donald Trump, deporting people was like top of Trump's agenda.

00:37:25.000 And when he got elected, approval of deportations was something like 75%.

00:37:31.000 It was a huge number.

00:37:33.000 So do you think that was more for get the criminals out, get the drug dealers out, get the human traffickers out?

00:37:38.000 Or do you think it was, hey, get the mom out that came here 20 years ago illegally? 0.70

00:37:43.000 No, it wasn't.

00:37:44.000 What's your position?

00:37:45.000 What's your position on H-1Bs?

00:37:48.000 I would say H-1Bs, if they're undercutting jobs like coders here, I would say I could see how they're unhelpful. 1.00

00:37:55.000 It's the same position for the illegals. 0.57

00:37:58.000 It's just the working class version of H-1Bs. 0.99

00:38:00.000 You're saying this is position as the working class.

00:38:03.000 It's the same position.

00:38:04.000 Again, I would just say, I think if we're talking about who's deciding the elections, if we're talking about that group in the middle, not the far right, not the far left, that whatever amount that Trump had to flip, right?

00:38:04.000 Maybe you're right.

00:38:16.000 I don't think those people are looking at, not, again, not getting the criminals out, just optically.

00:38:23.000 I don't think they're looking at this and going to the bottom of the business.

00:38:24.000 There are people that, so when you look at the previous four years, people knew that the border was basically open, right?

00:38:32.000 They knew that the Biden administration was not doing anything.

00:38:36.000 They knew that he was letting basically anyone in.

00:38:39.000 And people decided, they were like, look, Donald Trump had done pretty well prior to the Biden administration.

00:38:47.000 And what the Biden administration did, I mean, legitimately, like estimates are somewhere around 20 million people.

00:38:54.000 And I think the average voter would like, if you ask them in the abstract, right?

00:39:00.000 Not specifically, well, this person or these people or this class of people, they would just say, like, yeah, send them back.

00:39:06.000 You know, they would say, send them out.

00:39:08.000 The people that came over.

00:39:09.000 I would agree with you that the 20 million that came over illegally bad policy, catch and release in America versus catch and release in Mexico, terrible, terrible.

00:39:17.000 I'm not talking about those people.

00:39:18.000 I'm talking about DACA recipients.

00:39:20.000 I'm talking about folks that have been here for decades and decades and decades.

00:39:22.000 Oh, am I?

00:39:25.000 Again, my post on it, I would say I don't think people are pumped on that.

00:39:28.000 The 20 million, I'm with you.

00:39:30.000 I think that's that's reasonable.

00:39:31.000 I think there's a huge young Gen Z base that is very conservative, that supports MAGA and Trump.

00:39:38.000 And I think they're looking around saying, hey, we don't have any opportunities.

00:39:41.000 And these landscaping jobs, these construction jobs actually do pay very well.

00:39:46.000 They're supposed to at least.

00:39:47.000 And they have good benefits and they're not available because people that shouldn't be here are in those positions and we're able to pay them less to do the job.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, I guess I would say I don't know how many young people are lining up to do landscaping and construction and are having these opportunities taken from.

00:40:06.000 This is a Democrat argument.

00:40:07.000 They're not lining up to do those jobs because they're not available.

00:40:10.000 If you pay well for those jobs and you give them good benefits, they will do those jobs.

00:40:14.000 I did those jobs in my 20s.

00:40:16.000 I did those jobs when I was 18.

00:40:18.000 I was on the roof.

00:40:18.000 You have to.

00:40:19.000 I cut the, you know, you cut your teeth.

00:40:21.000 That's how you make networks.

00:40:22.000 That's how you make connections.

00:40:24.000 And you can actually earn a good wage.

00:40:26.000 There's young families.

00:40:27.000 There's guys, you know, 20, 22, whatever with kids.

00:40:30.000 Like doing that.

00:40:31.000 Those are good paying jobs, even if they're part-time.

00:40:33.000 Like they're good supplemental jobs in a lot of cases.

00:40:36.000 Let me push back some more.

00:40:38.000 How many of you guys are familiar with TaskRabbit?

00:40:40.000 I've heard of it.

00:40:40.000 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 Okay.

00:40:41.000 So TaskRabbit is an app where you can go on, you can sign up, and you can provide skills like assembling IKEA furniture, painting houses, you name it.

00:40:54.000 It's a contact.

00:40:55.000 From plumbing all the way to electrical stuff, right?

00:41:00.000 I know multiple people that are getting on TaskRabbit that are pursuing.

00:41:03.000 I got a buddy of mine.

00:41:04.000 He's the number one guy in New York.

00:41:06.000 He's a comedian in that scene, making well over six figures on TaskRabbit, owning his labor, going direct to consumer and building out an amazing network of people that he keeps going back to, whether it's painting, whether it's handyman stuff, whatever.

00:41:20.000 And he owns work.

00:41:21.000 And TaskRabbit takes a small percentage like Uber or Lyft or whatever.

00:41:24.000 So I know people are going to like, but I want the construction job that you had 20 years ago.

00:41:29.000 And I go, or you can get your butt on TaskRabbit and go build that out and actually make more money, make 10, 15 grand a month by doing this sort of thing.

00:41:38.000 Here's the problem.

00:41:39.000 Most people are not entrepreneurial, especially at those ages.

00:41:42.000 People want to be in a job where they know it's safe, they have job security, they can walk in, they can walk in with benefits.

00:41:48.000 They do not want to take the risk of, hey, I'm going to start my own business.

00:41:51.000 They want the pod.

00:41:52.000 They want to be safe and warm in the pod.

00:41:54.000 Daddy, serve me yourself. 0.94

00:41:55.000 Most people are like that, right?

00:41:56.000 Well, I mean, I'm not sure.

00:41:58.000 That's a little on the derisive there, Ian.

00:42:02.000 That's a little derisive.

00:42:03.000 People want security.

00:42:04.000 And if you're going to say they take security over freedom, no, your job being derisive, your job security.

00:42:09.000 Like, they want to know their job is there tomorrow.

00:42:11.000 They want to know their health benefits are going to be there tomorrow.

00:42:14.000 They want to know they have a paycheck next week.

00:42:16.000 They don't want to go out and start a new business.

00:42:18.000 Like, that's scary.

00:42:19.000 It's risky.

00:42:20.000 My father was a, he owned his own business for most of my life.

00:42:23.000 And one of the things that when he was about to start the business, one of the things my grandfather said was, don't do it.

00:42:28.000 He's like, don't.

00:42:29.000 You need to get a job.

00:42:30.000 You need to have that job security.

00:42:31.000 You know, you're going to have to, you're going to need to make sure that you're going to have a job next week and the week after and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:37.000 There are people that not, that don't want to live in the pod.

00:42:40.000 My grandfather, you know, he was a member of the greatest generation.

00:42:43.000 You know, like he wasn't a guy that was like, oh, you know, I wanted, want to have this easy life or whatever.

00:42:49.000 He was very familiar with working.

00:42:51.000 But the idea of working for yourself is not appealing to everybody.

00:42:55.000 Right.

00:42:55.000 Correct.

00:42:55.000 Like when you have a job that you have to go out and hustle and find the work yourself, that part of the job becomes a job.

00:43:06.000 Finding the work is also part of doing the work.

00:43:09.000 And there are people that, again, they don't want to live in the pod.

00:43:13.000 They don't want to eat the bugs.

00:43:14.000 They want job security.

00:43:16.000 That's a big deal.

00:43:17.000 Are sitting around their house and they're waiting to get a job offer from somebody that a job that they think doesn't exist because grandma is 80 years old and listen to me for a second.

00:43:27.000 Hear me out.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, I got you.

00:43:28.000 If there are people that are like, I want to be given a job, I want security.

00:43:32.000 And it's because grandma's nephew is an illegal immigrant.

00:43:38.000 Look, at some point you have to take control of your life.

00:43:40.000 You can't just sit around and wait for the construction job to appear.

00:43:43.000 No, you can actually go out and get a job.

00:43:44.000 Get a job.

00:43:45.000 No, that's it.

00:43:46.000 That's not the argument, though.

00:43:47.000 Like, unfortunately, the economy that we're in right now, like, you're filling out hundreds and hundreds of applications and you're doing dozens and dozens of interviews before you're even given a job.

00:43:57.000 The argument here is that because we have illegals in these positions, those opportunities are not even available. 1.00

00:44:03.000 But those people are complaining about grandma of winners. 0.98

00:44:06.000 I just want to say, hold on.

00:44:07.000 Like, when I was younger, we could literally go in the newspaper, circle a job, call them that day, and potentially get the job that day.

00:44:13.000 That doesn't exist anymore.

00:44:14.000 Now it's very competitive.

00:44:16.000 We're already competing against Americans. 0.98

00:44:18.000 Now we're competing against people that literally you can pay dirt to.

00:44:22.000 There's no opportunity.

00:44:23.000 But the macroeconomic shift is absolutely disrupted everything.

00:44:27.000 So yes, in the 90s and the 80s, you could be in the bell curve and average and buy a home and get married and retire with dignity.

00:44:35.000 That's done.

00:44:36.000 That's been done.

00:44:37.000 Now, what it has is created other ways to make revenue, to make money to own your labor, to go to direct consumer to different clients.

00:44:45.000 And yes, it may require a little bit more business savvy, but today you can't be in the average bell curve of the average person.

00:44:52.000 And I think we just need to come, in my opinion, need to come to grips with that and say you have to be exceptional.

00:44:56.000 You have to go above and beyond.

00:44:58.000 I would push back on that because there are people that are just not cut out for that.

00:45:03.000 And that doesn't make them bad people.

00:45:05.000 It's not that they're a problem.

00:45:07.000 There are just people that are not that kind of person.

00:45:10.000 But why don't they go to a trade school and become plumbers and become welders and make six figures?

00:45:15.000 I know multiple plumbers that make six figures.

00:45:17.000 But it's not multiple plumbers.

00:45:18.000 But it's not even just that, what Phil's saying.

00:45:20.000 It's also, too, you have young families.

00:45:22.000 Like being entrepreneurial, taking on a new business, this requires a lot of time, a lot of energy, and a lot of seed money a lot of times.

00:45:29.000 I don't think it requires seed money to get on TaskRabbit risk.

00:45:32.000 In order to get the things that you need, like all the things, like the car to get there.

00:45:36.000 To assemble IKEA furniture to build it up and make 50 bucks an hour so far.

00:45:39.000 You got to go to different houses, right?

00:45:41.000 So you need a vehicle to get there.

00:45:42.000 You got to show up.

00:45:43.000 You got to have tools.

00:45:44.000 There's a whole lot of investment that goes into that.

00:45:46.000 You're dealing with people with two, three kids.

00:45:48.000 They don't have the money for that.

00:45:49.000 They don't have the time for that. 0.86

00:45:50.000 They want to show up to a job site and be like, hey, I'm here to do my job, put in my eight, nine, go home, take care of my kids.

00:45:56.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.000 I'm just saying, man, there's so many opportunities and so much information.

00:46:02.000 No, for everybody.

00:46:03.000 I got a buddy of mine.

00:46:04.000 He was a stay-at-home dad.

00:46:06.000 Didn't feel a lot of dignity in it.

00:46:07.000 I actually interviewed him.

00:46:08.000 People could look this up.

00:46:09.000 Didn't feel a lot of dignity in it.

00:46:10.000 Found a program at an LA community college that was a program to become one of the guys that climbs the line in the electrical and electrical thing.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, alignment.

00:46:19.000 Went through that.

00:46:20.000 Went through the program.

00:46:21.000 Within, I want to say six months, got a job at one of our electric companies.

00:46:26.000 He's now making multiple six figures.

00:46:29.000 This is a guy without a college education.

00:46:30.000 This is a blue-collar guy.

00:46:32.000 These opportunities are out there.

00:46:33.000 You're going to do way better looking those opportunities out, leveraging the technology, figuring out what they're at.

00:46:38.000 He's not an entrepreneur.

00:46:39.000 100%.

00:46:40.000 And so what I'm saying is, though, sitting back and complaining about the Jays, about the immigrants, taking your opportunities is not going to get you directly to what you actually want.

00:46:49.000 100%.

00:46:50.000 But the issue with the scenario that you painted was he's a stay-at-home dad, so that means the wife's working, right?

00:46:56.000 So there's an income, there's money there.

00:46:58.000 He can go to school and not have an impede anything.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, again, you can go watch my interview with him.

00:47:02.000 You had to do that to figure out childcare.

00:47:04.000 It was a really hard sacrifice.

00:47:05.000 I understand.

00:47:05.000 But when you're young and you have kids, so you have a young family, going to school, like now you're spending $50,000, $60,000 even at trade school.

00:47:12.000 You got to get the books.

00:47:13.000 You got to pay for the classes.

00:47:14.000 You got to go to the classes.

00:47:15.000 You don't have time.

00:47:16.000 You got to make money to feed your kids.

00:47:18.000 Debating about whether or not there is opportunity out there, I think is actually, this has become a different conversation.

00:47:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:24.000 Is there more opportunity today to make more money today than there was in the 90s?

00:47:28.000 No.

00:47:29.000 Oh, I disagree wholeheartedly.

00:47:30.000 Why?

00:47:30.000 I disagree.

00:47:31.000 There's a million revenue opportunities now.

00:47:33.000 Yes, again, again.

00:47:34.000 Entrepreneurial people that can use the internet, that can invest in themselves.

00:47:38.000 No, you cannot pick up a newspaper and call a place and get a job the same day anymore.

00:47:42.000 But you can start a corporation in 30 minutes.

00:47:45.000 Yeah, you can, that's, again, you're talking about whether or not there is opportunity versus what basically boils down to people's feelings about immigration.

00:47:56.000 And the argument that some immigration does take jobs, that's just true, right? 0.99

00:48:02.000 Whether or not you think that that's justification for deporting people.

00:48:07.000 But the people that, when it comes to actual deportations, it's more than just, oh, an economic factor or job factor.

00:48:14.000 There are people that are like, look, I want to live around people like me.

00:48:17.000 And whether you agree with that or whether you think that's moral or think it's okay to have that opinion, there are a lot of people that are like, look, the people that we're bringing in, the people that have immigrated here, they're actually changing what America is. 1.00

00:48:29.000 And so it's a multifaceted topic when it comes to immigration.

00:48:33.000 It's not just an economic argument.

00:48:34.000 A big problem is that.

00:48:35.000 I was just saying, it's the H-1B argument for the working class. 0.88

00:48:38.000 Think about the H-1B argument. 0.65

00:48:39.000 It's literally the same argument.

00:48:41.000 A lot of people are like sitting at home unemployed right now, maybe.

00:48:45.000 And they're like, if they really think that if all, like Phil, you've been saying, get them all out.

00:48:51.000 And you make a big deal about all of them, including Abuela that's been here for 40 years.

00:48:55.000 Kids think if we get them all out, then the jobs will appear.

00:49:01.000 And if you create optics like going after old ladies, that's going to incite people to send U-Hauls of weapons to dudes in Iran.

00:49:09.000 So to that point, that absolutely isn't going to incite.

00:49:12.000 This is why this is escalating.

00:49:14.000 It's because they're going after stop because it's not true.

00:49:17.000 Bro, they have been hiding the fact that he's letting people out.

00:49:20.000 Okay, Ian, it's not true because if that were the case, then the U-Hauls of Weapons wouldn't have been showing up at the George Floyd riots.

00:49:26.000 They had bricks.

00:49:27.000 I mean, they did pallets of bricks at the George Floyd riots.

00:49:29.000 The point that I'm making is the U-Hauls of Weapons were at the George Floyd riots because those are leftist agitators looking to destabilize the country.

00:49:37.000 It has nothing to do with the topic.

00:49:40.000 Let me finish.

00:49:41.000 The topic is not the issue.

00:49:43.000 The issue is never the issue.

00:49:44.000 The issue is always the revolution.

00:49:46.000 Those people are.

00:49:48.000 Come on.

00:49:49.000 It's the global acceptance of the weapons coming in to the riot is because of the optics.

00:49:53.000 No.

00:49:54.000 No people are like, oh, yeah.

00:49:54.000 Yeah.

00:49:55.000 No, it doesn't matter what the issue is.

00:49:58.000 The issue is always, the issue is never the issue.

00:50:01.000 The issue is the revolution.

00:50:02.000 They're using the topic as a justification for causing unrest.

00:50:08.000 Both things could be true, though.

00:50:09.000 You don't think there's an optics issue with how ICE is doing it, as well as, and I'm granting everything you're saying.

00:50:14.000 I think both things could be true.

00:50:14.000 I'm not disagreeing with you.

00:50:15.000 It's like optically, hey, you guys could be a bit more shrewd and careful and be more surgical with how you're doing something.

00:50:21.000 I agree totally.

00:50:22.000 The optics are something they should always think about.

00:50:24.000 Yes.

00:50:25.000 But the idea that these kind of things are causing the left to do things, that's not the case at all.

00:50:32.000 The left is doing things because the left is taking advantage of the situation.

00:50:37.000 So even if ICE was completely benign and they were very gentle about it, and say part of the reason actually is because the Minneapolis Police Department doesn't turn people over to ICE.

00:50:50.000 And that is part of the plan.

00:50:52.000 The Minneapolis police say, no, we're not going to turn them over.

00:50:55.000 We're a sanctuary city, so ICE has to come in. 0.82

00:50:57.000 And then the leftists have the opportunity to say, see, look, the DOJ, Trump's a Nazi, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:05.000 It is not that the left is an effect of this stuff.

00:51:08.000 The left is the cause.

00:51:10.000 But to Phil's point, to Phil's point, what he's saying is Trump can come out and say the water is blue and the left's going to use that to try and tear on the company or the country.

00:51:18.000 I completely agree.

00:51:20.000 And to your point, Ian, no, maybe ice isn't the way.

00:51:23.000 But like what needs to happen is like the consumer itself.

00:51:26.000 Like we have to look at, you know, when we're hiring landscaping, are they using mostly migrant workers?

00:51:33.000 Maybe we have to pay more to hire the landscaping company that uses all-American workers. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Maybe we have to buy the product that's made with all-American parts. 1.00

00:51:41.000 Like there is something that the consumer can do to push back on this that will then create opportunities in America.

00:51:47.000 You just have to get people to understand like how important their dollar is.

00:51:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:51.000 Okay, let me give you guys a practical example.

00:51:53.000 I live in a neighborhood.

00:51:54.000 We need landscaping.

00:51:55.000 We have guys come by all the time offering landscaping.

00:51:58.000 They're all either immigrants or sometimes second-generation immigrants.

00:52:01.000 I don't know their legal status.

00:52:03.000 We've never had an American come by and offer landscaping services.

00:52:06.000 And they're out there.

00:52:07.000 Not once.

00:52:08.000 They're out there.

00:52:09.000 And this is, we can't.

00:52:10.000 But do you see my point?

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.000 They just cost more.

00:52:12.000 No, but they're out there.

00:52:14.000 That's the issue.

00:52:15.000 That wasn't the point.

00:52:16.000 The point was the people that are marketing and hustling that are coming around and saying, hey, we'll do this thing for you.

00:52:23.000 I don't, they don't, they're not Americans. 1.00

00:52:25.000 Now, again, I'm not saying they're all illegals.

00:52:26.000 That's not my argument.

00:52:27.000 I'm saying the folks that are doing this sort of work generally seem to be Hispanic and laborers and I understand because they know they can price out the competition.

00:52:36.000 Right.

00:52:36.000 That's it.

00:52:37.000 Like when you don't pay people.

00:52:39.000 It's like why China is where they are economically. 0.53

00:52:43.000 So destroying it.

00:52:44.000 As someone that shares your values, right?

00:52:46.000 I've never even had the opportunity for someone to come door to door and say, hey, I'll do this thing for $1,500 that this guy is going to undercut me for $1,000.

00:52:54.000 But man, I'm an American.

00:52:56.000 Because the Americans know that neighborhood is completely taken up by the companies that are undercutting them.

00:53:00.000 And that's what I'm just saying, as a consumer, we need to look and seek out those American companies and support Americans.

00:53:07.000 That is an assumption to think that those neighborhoods are doing that.

00:53:10.000 So if people truly believe, what's the point?

00:53:12.000 They're all doing it anyway.

00:53:13.000 I'm not going to try.

00:53:15.000 What does that even mean?

00:53:16.000 That's the argument you just made.

00:53:17.000 They want that underclass. 1.00

00:53:18.000 They want the immigrants in here because they know they can pay them less to clean their houses, do their lawns, do it. 1.00

00:53:23.000 It's the Democrat argument.

00:53:24.000 We want the immigrants because we need our underclass. 1.00

00:53:28.000 Look at all this stuff.

00:53:29.000 But that's not my argument.

00:53:30.000 My argument is, hey, I'm willing to pay extra for Americans to do work like landscaping. 0.73

00:53:38.000 That's great.

00:53:38.000 I don't even have that opportunity.

00:53:40.000 That's great.

00:53:41.000 You seek them out.

00:53:41.000 They're there.

00:53:42.000 Okay.

00:53:43.000 Well, listen, we're going to jump to this next story here.

00:53:43.000 All right.

00:53:46.000 Well, you've got to seek the employer out in this economy.

00:53:48.000 Don't wait around to get asked to do a job.

00:53:50.000 We're going to jump to the related story here from the post-millennial.

00:53:52.000 Tim Walz begs for donations to his legal defense fund after DOJ subpoena over obstructing ICE.

00:53:59.000 Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has started raising money for a legal defense fund after the Department of Justice subpoenaed Walls, Minneapolis, Mayor Jacob Fry, and others for allegedly conspiring to impede law enforcement.

00:54:10.000 This also comes as there has been a massive fallout from a fraud scandal that has plagued Minnesota.

00:54:14.000 In a message sent out to supporters, Walls said, Tim Walz here, last week, the federal government opened an investigation into me.

00:54:20.000 This comes just weeks after a federal ICE agent fatally shot Renee Goode in Minneapolis.

00:54:24.000 Now, that is pretty gross.

00:54:26.000 The fact that he's bringing up Rene Good's death as a way to raise money.

00:54:30.000 Unleashing chaos across our city.

00:54:33.000 Rather than taking accountability and working to turn down the temperature, Donald Trump and his administration are fanning the flames by targeting me for demanding transparency and answers.

00:54:41.000 That's not true at all.

00:54:42.000 Let me be clear.

00:54:43.000 Weaponizing the justice system and threatening political opponents is a dangerous authoritarian tactic, and I won't let it slide.

00:54:49.000 This whole thing is BS.

00:54:52.000 This whole thing is intended to inflame.

00:54:55.000 If Tim Walz and Jacob Frye really wanted to turn the temperature down, they would have the Minneapolis Police Department actually arrest or turn over illegal aliens when they're arrested and turn them over to ICE.

00:55:09.000 But they don't because they're a sanctuary city.

00:55:12.000 They want to have those people there and they want to use this as a means to essentially blame Donald Trump and the administration for being the Gestapo.

00:55:21.000 And now he's trying to raise money off the death of Renee Good, which wouldn't have happened if they were turning the illegals over to ICE.

00:55:30.000 None of this would happen if it wasn't for the fact that Minneapolis is a sanctuary state, or I'm sorry, a sanctuary city, and Tim Walz was not.

00:55:38.000 I mean, I don't know that he's benefiting from the Somali daycare schemes, but he's definitely running interference for it. 1.00

00:55:46.000 Yeah, and it's kind of ironic, too, because all he has to do is go on Calci and put a ton of money on when he's going to resign and just resign.

00:55:54.000 And then he'd have millions of dollars.

00:55:56.000 Was that a brand integration?

00:55:57.000 That was smooth.

00:55:58.000 Yeah, it's cash.

00:55:59.000 They support us.

00:56:00.000 We love Calci, but no, there is smooth.

00:56:02.000 I don't know if you can bring that up, Serge, but yeah, there's this whole Calci market up to like $2.5 million or whatever on when he's going to resign.

00:56:10.000 If he would just put money down and resign, he doesn't have to beg for money.

00:56:14.000 He knows better than anyone else when he's going to resign.

00:56:17.000 It's an interesting philosophy feel that Tim Walz is involved in inflaming the situation than complaining that the inflammation is the problem.

00:56:24.000 Yeah, I mean, look, he's as the governor and he's made it clear that Minnesota is a sanctuary state, you know, and so that means, and what a sanctuary state means is we don't cooperate with the federal government when it comes to deporting people.

00:56:37.000 I got to ask you, Rusalan, how do we, I mean, you seem like you see both sides pretty clearly or different directions you can pivot and see around in 360.

00:56:46.000 Like some people seem to think just being here makes you a criminal.

00:56:50.000 Like you were saying earlier, we have to get the criminals out.

00:56:52.000 You were indicating violent criminals, like rapists, murders, things like that.

00:56:55.000 But some people do believe if you're here illegally, you must be out.

00:56:59.000 You must get them out.

00:57:00.000 Other people are like, this area is for those people if they're peaceful.

00:57:04.000 Like, where's the middle ground?

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 I think every person who comes over illegally takes a risk and they know they take a risk.

00:57:10.000 And that's not just folks from South America.

00:57:14.000 I've gotten rides from folks that are here illegally that are here fleeing the war in Russia that are like Russians and I connect with them.

00:57:22.000 I've all kinds of encounters.

00:57:24.000 Every single person understands that there is a risk that you're taking here.

00:57:28.000 Who should we deport?

00:57:29.000 How should we deport them?

00:57:30.000 Doing it in an orderly way that doesn't cause more chaos.

00:57:33.000 I think that is the deeper conversation that you're pointing to.

00:57:36.000 And I think when you're impeding federal investigations, man, especially when there are criminals, when you do have criminals in custody, like, so these guys that get picked up by the Minneapolis PD, I'm assuming they didn't just get picked up for being, they did something to get arrested and then to then not hand him over to ICE seems like, again, another game of chicken.

00:57:57.000 Now we're just going to make this thing worse and throw more fire, more gasoline on the fire.

00:58:02.000 So yes, it's a tricky middle ground.

00:58:05.000 So this is the tension I deal with.

00:58:06.000 It's like, I can embrace someone's dignity as a human and the person that came over here illegally to flee the war in Russia and yet they have kids and a wife back home and they're trying to figure out how to get a lawyer.

00:58:18.000 I could have the humanity and compassion for that person in the moment while also holding the tension of, you shouldn't have done that.

00:58:25.000 I wish you hadn't done that.

00:58:26.000 I wish you would have gone through a legal process to figure out a way to get over here or found a sponsor.

00:58:30.000 That's an interesting position because it's like, even, you know, let's say Tim's right and there's a civil war here, right?

00:58:36.000 I'm not going to go to Canada.

00:58:38.000 I'm not going to go to another country illegally, knowing that I'm there illegal, lie to the authorities, take advantage of their citizens, take an opportunity from someone else.

00:58:47.000 Like you, unfortunately, you have to take care of your own.

00:58:50.000 And, you know, when you're looking at Minnesota, it's funny.

00:58:54.000 The Somali fraud that's going on there is indicative of these people that are coming over here and they're just treating it like their country and they're defrauding us. 1.00

00:59:02.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:59:03.000 So it's like, you know, I understand, you know, it's really nice.

00:59:07.000 you're Christian and you want to like see the good in these people and stuff, but they know what they're doing.

00:59:11.000 They've come here illegally and they shouldn't have. 1.00

00:59:13.000 So at the end of the day, they should not be.

00:59:16.000 I agree with you that they shouldn't have.

00:59:18.000 They should not be.

00:59:19.000 If you found out tonight you were getting drafted to go sent to the front line tomorrow.

00:59:23.000 Would you flee the country?

00:59:25.000 This is a completely different thing.

00:59:27.000 Because that's what some of these people are doing in Russia and in Ukraine.

00:59:30.000 Well, they're also fleeing from.

00:59:32.000 Okay, so like, is our country under threat?

00:59:35.000 If it's just all of a sudden they're like frontline warfare is about to break out, you're drafted.

00:59:40.000 The Russian guys that I met, that was their position.

00:59:43.000 I don't want to go fight Putin's war. 1.00

00:59:45.000 This thing in Ukraine is stupid. 1.00

00:59:46.000 This is a great position because I don't think drafts and ground troops are even a thing anymore. 1.00

00:59:51.000 I think the fact that we have nukes and the weapons that we have.

00:59:54.000 Right.

00:59:54.000 Why?

00:59:55.000 The fact that the weapons that we have these days, like truly, if you're fleeing, you're fleeing like a nuclear bomb or whatever.

01:00:01.000 Like that's a whole different discussion.

01:00:02.000 But I mean, it's a good question.

01:00:04.000 You know, I think you have to take care of your country.

01:00:06.000 You have to fix your country.

01:00:07.000 You can't just flee and be like, oh, I'm going to go take advantage of a different country.

01:00:11.000 I don't think you can.

01:00:12.000 It's like fleeing is different than taking advantage.

01:00:14.000 Like if you're being drafted to fight a war you don't believe in and it's the casualty rates are astronomical.

01:00:20.000 Like would you I would flee.

01:00:21.000 I'm telling you right now.

01:00:22.000 I'm not sure if you're not.

01:00:24.000 It's like you're breaking into someone else's house and it's like, that's not your house.

01:00:27.000 It's not your property.

01:00:28.000 It's all territory.

01:00:30.000 Now granted, the Russians are in a different position than the Ukrainians, right? 0.56

01:00:34.000 But in your hypothetical, is it someone invading the United States?

01:00:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:40.000 So if it's someone invading the United States, I'm not going to fight.

01:00:43.000 If it was an invasion.

01:00:45.000 If someone's invading my country, I'm going to fight.

01:00:47.000 Now, is it the United States?

01:00:49.000 Think of it the other way.

01:00:50.000 United States invading Mexico, for instance, trying to take Canadian and Canadian territory.

01:00:56.000 I mean, look, when it comes to the United States, it's a really tough hypothetical to even entertain just because the United States, the military power that the United States is, it would be a totally different thing than what is going on in the Ukraine and Russia, right?

01:01:09.000 With Russia, like they are largely seen to be a paper tiger. 0.96

01:01:15.000 People were saying that it was going to take a few days or a couple of months before they would take Ukraine.

01:01:19.000 And because of funding from the U.S. and other European countries, Ukraine's really been able to stand up.

01:01:25.000 And it's turned into disgustingly hard trench warfare.

01:01:29.000 And it's awful, right?

01:01:30.000 And I understand why a Russian would be like, I'm getting the hell out of here. 1.00

01:01:33.000 It makes sense to me.

01:01:34.000 I understand why Ukrainians are like, no, I'm going to go fight because it's their country. 1.00

01:01:39.000 To make that same allegory to the United States is really, really difficult.

01:01:43.000 I'll make this, I'll try and bind the gap.

01:01:45.000 So if another candidate became president and they were like, yeah, we're escalating in the Ukraine and we're issuing a draft, we're going to send you to Ukraine tomorrow.

01:01:53.000 The United States would not.

01:01:55.000 They wouldn't send them to Vietnam until they did. 0.99

01:01:56.000 So if it were Venezuela, let's say Venezuela, they were sending you to the jungles. 0.92

01:02:01.000 Well, obviously.

01:02:02.000 Would you go somewhere illegally tonight if you're going out getting sent to the front line tomorrow?

01:02:02.000 Would you flee?

01:02:06.000 Again, I don't think you can't abandon your own home and you can't break into someone else's house.

01:02:10.000 And it's interesting with the Ruslan because you are an immigrant and typically the people that come here and do everything right and illegally and stuff, they're actually the most upset about illegal immigrants because they have completely cut the line. 0.89

01:02:22.000 They've taken advantage of the whole process.

01:02:24.000 I mean, how long was your process that you have to go through?

01:02:27.000 It was months in the process.

01:02:28.000 I mean, we came as refugees, so we got asylum status.

01:02:30.000 Fair.

01:02:31.000 So like, but just imagine those that have to go through years and years of like becoming American citizens.

01:02:35.000 I mean, you know, that is part of the issue with that whole situation.

01:02:39.000 Even immigrants hate illegal immigrants. 0.96

01:02:42.000 You said you can't abandon your home and you can't break into someone else's house, but you can.

01:02:46.000 And that's what you can.

01:02:48.000 You can, literally, you can.

01:02:49.000 Arguably, if you're fleeing, you know, a war, maybe it's not so much cowardice as it is survival.

01:02:56.000 Well, then, look, you have to do it the right way.

01:02:58.000 You have to go through the proper channels in that other country to say, hey, I'm no longer an American.

01:03:03.000 I'm giving up my citizenship.

01:03:04.000 I want to join you now, Russia or China or Canada or wherever the hell you're going.

01:03:08.000 Like you have to do it the right way.

01:03:09.000 You can't just invade their country.

01:03:11.000 Yeah, often, and I don't want to speak with too much certainty on this, but often, at least the Russians that I know that are coming over, come over, get an attorney, and try to go through some sort of legal process.

01:03:21.000 And again, I don't know the particulars, but I know it's they're not, there's a plan in place because they're like, hey, I want to bring my wife and kid over.

01:03:27.000 Like, I have a whole play here at some point.

01:03:31.000 And a lot of the illegal immigrants that really rub people the wrong way, rub Americans the wrong way, they have this concept in their head of they're working here and they're sending money back, right? 1.00

01:03:42.000 So, as opposed to I'm here and I'm trying to build a better life for me and I'm going to bring my family, actually, I'm just here to work and I'm going to send money back home, which is wealth extraction.

01:03:52.000 And these Americans have a problem with it.

01:03:54.000 And I agree, and I think that's whack.

01:03:56.000 And I think, I mean, there's a connection to Somalia, Somalian money being sent over that went on to fund terrorist organizations.

01:04:02.000 So I think that's terrible.

01:04:04.000 I think perhaps the broader question, the deeper question is the type of immigrant that's coming over, are they coming to assimilate to Western values, to Western culture, to learn the language?

01:04:15.000 We came over and we all learned a language.

01:04:18.000 And you guys are like, you can't even tell an accent on me.

01:04:20.000 So we came over, we assimilated.

01:04:23.000 I am an American through and through, right?

01:04:25.000 I'm a citizen.

01:04:26.000 But I understand that there are going to be people that come over from cultures that are not congruent with Western values. 0.95

01:04:33.000 And typically, people like you actually hate the illegal immigration more because of how difficult it was for you and your family.

01:04:40.000 And to your point, I think that that's one of the things that most Americans have a problem with, right?

01:04:44.000 Like if you come to the United States and you become an American, you leave the old country behind, you assimilate.

01:04:51.000 Like most Americans, the vast majority of Americans are like, that's fine. 0.95

01:04:54.000 That's cool.

01:04:56.000 Whether or not there are some people on the far right that are like, no, we don't want to have any immigration or whatever. 1.00

01:05:02.000 And even though I have a pretty hardline stance on immigration and on future immigration, the whole point is to get the people that are here, or at least from my perspective, the whole point is to get people to assimilate, become Americans.

01:05:16.000 If you become an American and stop thinking of yourself as a member of the culture you came from or the home that you came from, and you actually internalized our values and you really do believe in the things that make America the country that it is and have put us in the position globally that we're in, then I'm fine with it.

01:05:36.000 It doesn't matter.

01:05:37.000 So when I worked at an after-school program years and years ago, and I've met multiple people like that that have been here since they were babies, that are America.

01:05:45.000 You would meet them and you would not know that they were undocumented or whatever.

01:05:48.000 They've been here since they were babies.

01:05:51.000 They're American through and through, right?

01:05:53.000 Some of those people, when the DACA thing was trying to get overturned, were getting swept up in this.

01:05:58.000 So when I'm talking about folks that have been here 20, 30 years, again, I'm not talking about the 12 to 20 million that came over here illegally from who knows where, with what, who knows what agenda.

01:06:05.000 I'm specifically talking about folks that have been here for a while.

01:06:07.000 So when I'm saying obuelas, I'm saying she's been here 20, 30, 40 years.

01:06:11.000 That's why just because you killed somebody 20 years ago doesn't mean that you shouldn't go to jail.

01:06:17.000 And also, to your point, I think the fact that you are calling them obuelas as opposed to grandmas, that colors the imagination of people.

01:06:28.000 If they're here and they've been here a long time, and they're still speaking Spanish, there are Americans that are like, well, have they really left the old country behind? 0.56

01:06:36.000 No, I mean, these folks speak English for the record.

01:06:38.000 You said if you killed somebody 20 years ago, obviously it's murder.

01:06:41.000 But if you robbed the liquor store 40 years ago, I think there's probably a statute of limitations.

01:06:45.000 Maybe not in Spanish.

01:06:47.000 Armed property, maybe not.

01:06:48.000 But then that is a good idea.

01:06:49.000 If you assaulted someone 30 years ago, it's probably no longer going to be on your record.

01:06:54.000 Illegally entering the country is not murdered.

01:06:56.000 Right, but you never did any of the time for the crime, is the point I'm making.

01:06:59.000 It's like, just because you did it 20 years ago doesn't mean you didn't break the law.

01:07:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:03.000 Right.

01:07:04.000 Yeah, but statute of limitations for certain crimes, they don't haunt you for the rest of your life.

01:07:07.000 Invading another country is kind of a big invasion is a specific word on your country.

01:07:12.000 One person coming here unarmed is not just one person.

01:07:15.000 We're talking about individuals.

01:07:17.000 If they came with a group, that's another thing.

01:07:18.000 They always come with groups.

01:07:20.000 You're not getting the coyotes that bring one person over.

01:07:22.000 I mean, they're bringing in, you know, a ton of people at the same time.

01:07:25.000 And they're treating these people horribly when they do.

01:07:28.000 That's the other thing that's wild.

01:07:30.000 Like hearing the Democrats try and defend it just because they want their underclass and they want cheap labor, it's insane.

01:07:36.000 They're literally defending the abuse of children.

01:07:39.000 But I think they're also defending cultural adaptation that it can't happen over 20 years.

01:07:45.000 Someone can become an American.

01:07:46.000 Yeah.

01:07:47.000 I mean, I just, all I'm saying is there's a big, large, you know, percentage of the MAGA base that is just done with it.

01:07:54.000 And kind of to Phil's point, he's made this argument on the moratorium of immigration.

01:07:58.000 Because the immigration process has been completely taken advantage of for so long and millions of people have come in.

01:08:06.000 It's like we're full now.

01:08:08.000 You know, we talked about optics a little bit and earlier about the optics of ICE.

01:08:13.000 And I think that the thing that upsets people is the optics of, you know, Minnesota's changed their flag.

01:08:19.000 You know, the protests in Southern California recently where they were waving a Mexican flag.

01:08:24.000 That kind of stuff doesn't endear you to the immigrant people.

01:08:27.000 And it's really, really bad.

01:08:30.000 So when you see politicians that are siding with the people that are waving foreign flags, you see, again, politicians that'll change the state flag to represent a community in there.

01:08:40.000 That doesn't help any.

01:08:42.000 And so.

01:08:43.000 So you understand my position is more pragmatic, though.

01:08:45.000 I'm talking about the folks that voted for Biden, that flipped and voted for Trump, those folks in the middle that you need to win an election, whether we want to acknowledge them or not, right?

01:08:55.000 MAGA people are always going to be the MAGA people.

01:08:57.000 I think the optics matter to those people.

01:09:00.000 Well, yeah, and the point that I'm making is, you know, Ian was alluding to this being an escalation or you know, I would agree.

01:09:07.000 And so it isn't just that, you know, one side is, you know, the bad guys in it.

01:09:14.000 Neither side wants to give up any ground.

01:09:20.000 And if you've got people in the country that are waving foreign flags, you're never going to have even the people that are a little squishy on it that are that go back and forth.

01:09:29.000 If they consider themselves Americans, they're not going to say, yeah, those people are the good Americans.

01:09:34.000 And granted, the people that are that are DACA recipients or people that have been here for 20, 30 years, they're not the ones out there protesting, waving foreign flags, but that they're representing the people that, whether they like it or not, they're representing the people that are here illegally that are just trying to keep their head down and go to work or what have you.

01:09:53.000 So this, the escalation on both sides, it's a bad thing for the DHS to be heavy-handed, but largely, to your point earlier, they're letting the guys that are non-violent go.

01:10:10.000 If that's the case, then the problem actually isn't that DHS is too heavy-handed.

01:10:15.000 It's that the way it's being cast in the media, and I would say the left-leaning media, but they're the ones that are trying to disagree.

01:10:23.000 They're the ones that are inflaming things.

01:10:26.000 I think in the Waltz case, can we all just agree that he definitely was getting funds from that fraud and he should be arrested?

01:10:32.000 I mean, I think at least he was complicit.

01:10:34.000 I think he knew what was going on.

01:10:34.000 Yeah.

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:36.000 I think this dude, he is such a goof, in my opinion. 0.99

01:10:40.000 Through and through. 0.99

01:10:41.000 People forgot in COVID.

01:10:42.000 Remember when he started that phone line where people could call in and report their neighbors?

01:10:47.000 Snitching on their neighbors.

01:10:47.000 Yeah.

01:10:49.000 So if they were going outside or having parties or whatever, he's a horrible person.

01:10:57.000 Had the National Guard rolling down the street with Humvees shooting pepper balls at Americans that are just out on their front porches.

01:11:04.000 They were saying, you know, you have to get back in.

01:11:06.000 The same tactics that the federal government.

01:11:08.000 They all went and protested George Floyd.

01:11:10.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

01:11:11.000 And Trump and Randy's retarded. 1.00

01:11:12.000 Yeah, 100% is retarded. 1.00

01:11:14.000 Like, listen to that. 0.92

01:11:15.000 So, back, seeing as we're talking about Waltz, Waltz went on in his statement, he said, My job is to defend Minnesotans and the rule of law, and I'm sure as hell not backing down.

01:11:24.000 But the road ahead is long, difficult, and expensive.

01:11:26.000 If you're with me, please rush a donation to our legal defense fund and help ensure we can keep fighting for accountability, transparency, and justice, he added, then offering a donation link.

01:11:35.000 So, I mean, look, this whole thing, right?

01:11:37.000 This is all about Waltz trying to raise money to defend himself against legitimate charges, which I don't, I mean, they haven't come yet, but I think Waltz and Jacob Frey are going to face charges.

01:11:50.000 I think just the fact that Minnesota is a sanctuary state is enough, in my opinion.

01:11:55.000 I think that personally, I mean, I'm a little hardline on this as well.

01:11:58.000 If you're a sanctuary state, I think the federal government should shut off all funding until you come in full compliance with federal law about immigration.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, and I also think he's raising because he knows other charges are coming that are related to that Somalia.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, I mean, look, if that, if, if he is in any way, you know, complicit or, you know, if he's been taking any money from that or making any money off it, I mean, toss the book at him, you know.

01:12:22.000 And I think that everyone's probably in agreement here.

01:12:25.000 I don't know that Elhan Omar is.

01:12:27.000 I think that her, I think crimes that she may have committed are totally separate from the Somali. 0.98

01:12:34.000 You don't think she knew about the fraud?

01:12:36.000 It's like literally the ultra.

01:12:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:38.000 Well, no, but where is where she's a representative?

01:12:40.000 She's the congressional representative from Minnesota, right?

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Okay.

01:12:44.000 So maybe she did.

01:12:44.000 All right.

01:12:45.000 So fair enough.

01:12:46.000 You know, I mean, look, if she's been involved in it, then I'm completely fine with throwing the book at all of them.

01:12:53.000 And to be honest with you, any American that hears this, that if they're found to have been fraudulent and taking money, especially in the quantities that you're talking about, I can't imagine how any American could actually say, yeah, they shouldn't be put in jail. 0.91

01:13:11.000 Like, that's the most ridiculous position to take.

01:13:14.000 These people are defrauding the taxpayer. 0.91

01:13:16.000 They're inhibiting the federal government from executing laws that were voted on in a bipartisan fashion.

01:13:22.000 There are no new immigration laws.

01:13:25.000 Like nothing's been passed through Congress at all regarding immigration.

01:13:30.000 And so these laws are the same laws that were in place during Barack Obama's term.

01:13:37.000 The same laws that Hillary Clinton swore up and down that she believed in. 0.91

01:13:40.000 I mean, you can go and Google up videos of Barack Obama talking about illegal immigrants.

01:13:45.000 And if you came here illegally, you have to go. 0.70

01:13:47.000 And Hillary Clinton saying, if you're here illegally, you have to go.

01:13:50.000 So these ideas are bipartisan.

01:13:52.000 And only now, recently in the past few years, has it become verboten for the Democrats to deport people.

01:13:59.000 Biden was like the first vacant president where he just said, yeah, come on, surge.

01:14:04.000 Like no other president ever commanded foreigners to surge the border.

01:14:08.000 He said, he literally said surge the border when he was running for president in 2020.

01:14:11.000 That was a great quote.

01:14:12.000 But I want to clear it here, though, because during a debate with Donald Trump, he said he's like, no, I would say people need to surge the border.

01:14:20.000 Literally.

01:14:21.000 But come over?

01:14:22.000 Yeah.

01:14:23.000 I want to clear the record, though, because a lot of people say Obama was the deporter in chief, but his numbers are better than Trump's.

01:14:29.000 That's BS.

01:14:30.000 They were deporting people.

01:14:31.000 They are coming right back.

01:14:32.000 No, well, not only that, part of the reason why the numbers were high is because people that would come to the border, when they turned them away, they would count those as deportations.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:14:42.000 And they would just turn that.

01:14:43.000 That's not quite it.

01:14:43.000 They turned away.

01:14:45.000 Trump made a day or 50 more deportations.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, Trump made it clear.

01:14:48.000 You're not.

01:14:49.000 I do know someone.

01:14:50.000 I do know someone personally whose dad was deported by Obama.

01:14:55.000 And did he come back?

01:14:56.000 No.

01:14:57.000 No, so he got deported once and then came back, lived, and got deported a second time.

01:14:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:03.000 So he didn't come to Obama.

01:15:04.000 Yeah.

01:15:04.000 So sorry, he hasn't been back since.

01:15:06.000 He hasn't been back a third time, yeah.

01:15:08.000 It's probably because he wouldn't be able to get in.

01:15:11.000 Yeah, wouldn't you?

01:15:11.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:15:12.000 Trump has made it clear.

01:15:14.000 Like the Democrats will say, oh, yeah, we'll get him out, but then they come right back.

01:15:18.000 And, you know, again, we talked about this the other night.

01:15:20.000 The administration is offering $2,600 to anyone.

01:15:25.000 that says, I'm going to get the app for my phone and I'm going to self-deport.

01:15:28.000 Give them $2,600.

01:15:30.000 And that's because that's less money than it takes for ICE to go and round them up.

01:15:34.000 So not only are they, you know, is the government deporting people and trying to get people to the people that are criminals that are illegals, they're also trying to incentivize people that are here illegally to leave.

01:15:46.000 And they say, look, just leave and then you can file the paperwork and you can come back.

01:15:50.000 If you get picked up and found to be here illegally, then you can never come back.

01:15:54.000 You know, it is, to be completely honest, the effort that the federal government is putting in to deporting people and doing it in a humane way really is above and beyond any other country on earth.

01:16:10.000 The federal government is trying so hard to be gentle with the average, to your point, the people that are here illegally, but that are not criminals.

01:16:20.000 They're really putting a lot of effort in.

01:16:21.000 And again, I point to the fact that the left is doing everything they can to demonize the administration, demonize the rule of law, and say, look, they're trying to hurt people.

01:16:31.000 They're the Gestapo.

01:16:32.000 You hear this all the time. 1.00

01:16:33.000 Trump's a Nazi. 1.00

01:16:35.000 The ICE agents are Nazis. 1.00

01:16:36.000 They're the Gestapo, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:16:38.000 And it's like, look, man, they're literally offering people $2,600 to leave and the opportunity to come back.

01:16:44.000 Like, you're here illegally.

01:16:46.000 We'll give you money to leave so that way you can buy a flight.

01:16:49.000 I think they might even pay for the flight too.

01:16:51.000 They do, yeah.

01:16:52.000 In addition to the $2,600.

01:16:54.000 Give you some money so you can hire a lawyer or start the paperwork or at least get yourself set up when you're back in the old country. 1.00

01:17:00.000 And then you can file the paperwork and still come back.

01:17:02.000 Like you, there is no more altruistic country on earth than the United States at all.

01:17:09.000 It's just not.

01:17:10.000 There's just not at all.

01:17:12.000 The government is being incredibly generous and it's still being treated as if they're this monstrous, horrible thing.

01:17:19.000 And it's all because the left wants this discord because it's literally an attack on the United States.

01:17:25.000 I go to foreign.

01:17:26.000 That's what I think about foreign because no president ever was okay with illegal immigration until Biden because he wasn't really the I mean, technically on paper he was, but he was just signing stuff that they were telling him to say.

01:17:36.000 He was saying stuff they were telling him to say.

01:17:38.000 I mean, the guy was like rolling, barely able to walk by the end of his term.

01:17:42.000 And then, and they use like, Trump was like, let's build a wall, which was actually, in retrospect, a pretty cool idea if you're trying to, but then some external force seems to have been like, we need to, we need to make it seem okay.

01:17:55.000 Because it's their base.

01:17:56.000 They want the underclass. 1.00

01:17:58.000 They want the cheap labor. 0.63

01:17:59.000 They want, again, they want their houses cleaned for less money.

01:18:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:03.000 Like it is the base.

01:18:04.000 Like the Black Rock International Bank that wants to set up a corporation in the United States.

01:18:09.000 No, they want the slave workers. 1.00

01:18:10.000 Well, those are the workers that the American working community with slave workers. 0.97

01:18:17.000 They probably want America to be a global.

01:18:20.000 So they literally come out and tell you they want a slave class.

01:18:23.000 They tell you this.

01:18:25.000 We're going to jump to this story and Ian, get ready for it.

01:18:28.000 The Department of War says, yes, the Department of War has direct energy weapons.

01:18:32.000 Yes, we are scaling them.

01:18:35.000 All right.

01:18:35.000 From the New York Post, the U.S. used powerful mystery weapon that brought Venezuelan soldiers to their knees during Maduro raid.

01:18:42.000 Witnesses account.

01:18:44.000 The U.S. used a powerful mystery weapon that brought Venezuelan soldiers to their knees, bleeding through the nose and vomiting blood during the daring raid to capture dictator Nicholas Maduro, according to a witness account posted Saturday on X by the White House press secretary.

01:18:58.000 In a jaw-dropping interview, the guard described how American forces wiped out hundreds of fighters without losing a single soldier, using technology unlike anything he has ever seen or heard.

01:19:08.000 We were on guard, but suddenly all of our radar systems shut down without any explanation, the guard said.

01:19:13.000 The next thing we saw were drones, lots of drones flying over our positions.

01:19:17.000 We didn't know how to react.

01:19:18.000 Moments later, a handful of helicopters appeared, barely eight by his count, deploying what he estimated were just 20 U.S. troops in the area.

01:19:25.000 But those few men, he said, came armed with something far more powerful than guns.

01:19:29.000 They were technologically very advanced, the guard recalled.

01:19:32.000 They didn't look like anything we fought against before.

01:19:34.000 Look, the guys that are in First Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta, those guys have the most state-of-the-art stuff.

01:19:42.000 They have an unlimited budget.

01:19:44.000 They've got night vision with thermal overlays.

01:19:46.000 They can see in the dark like no one else can imagine.

01:19:52.000 They've got the thermal in there.

01:19:54.000 So not only can they see in the dark, anything with a heat signature is put in there, they have connectivity between the whole group with these radios that are that are basically networked.

01:20:05.000 Like that's just the dudes.

01:20:08.000 Never mind the fact that all the training that they do.

01:20:10.000 And then these directed energy weapons that they're talking about, these kind of things are basically they just debilitate you.

01:20:19.000 I guess they've been tested on like crowd control and it will just make you know it makes people very uncomfortable.

01:20:26.000 It feels like they're burning.

01:20:27.000 But apparently the technology has advanced to the point where they can shoot them with these weapons and it'll make people vomit and make people's nose bleed and make you effectually totally incapacitated.

01:20:42.000 Yep.

01:20:42.000 Yeah.

01:20:43.000 They have videos of this.

01:20:44.000 They'll have like the, like the manliest men from the army or whatever standing out in the field and, all of a sudden, like they'll walk into the field and they can't walk any you know any further because they have like a space, you know, weapon that's, that's shooting down, beaming down on them and yeah, it sounds like they're getting better.

01:21:00.000 I guess the question to you Ian, is where this technology come from where yeah, probably in some lab in China no, I don't know, some underground base in Colorado or something.

01:21:12.000 Okay, it came from Massachusetts man, it came from MIT, DARPA.

01:21:16.000 Like those dudes are up there like tinkering away with lasers.

01:21:20.000 Are you have you guys before with Palmer Lucky at all, he runs andural.

01:21:24.000 Uh, government contracted they?

01:21:25.000 No, they're not government contractors, totally private.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, that's one of the.

01:21:28.000 That's the thing that Andrew's doing.

01:21:30.000 They're private and they want to be able to create weapons that the government will purchase, as opposed to the government saying we want to develop this weapon and then dumping a boatload of money into it, because he says that it's a much more efficient way to to to produce weapons.

01:21:45.000 If you, if you listen to some of the interviews that he does, he's like, look the way that we worked in World War Ii was we were able to change all of our manufacturing over to making tanks.

01:21:56.000 Well, you know, the Ford plant went from making Fords to making tanks and all of these different companies, this industrial base that we had, made it possible for us to just build weapons super fast.

01:22:06.000 Nowadays, if the United States were to get into a conflict, in the example that he used, if the United States were to get into a conflict with China, we're out of missiles in six days.

01:22:16.000 He's like, there is no way that we can do this.

01:22:18.000 So what Andrell's goal is, he's like, we don't want to be the weapons manufacturer for the government.

01:22:24.000 We want America to be the gun store for the world. 0.56

01:22:27.000 And they're looking to build weapons and advanced weapon systems, but he uses existing technology.

01:22:33.000 So instead of saying, oh, you have to have a special circuit board that needs all these things and it has to be built in a special plant, I want something you can go to Radio Shack and buy.

01:22:41.000 And obviously, Radio Shack doesn't really exist, but the point that he was making is I want to make these weapons out of things that currently exist.

01:22:48.000 So that way, if we get into a conflict, we can say, look, we can build these things right now and we can build 10,000 of them in the next month.

01:22:56.000 Are they kept under secrecy?

01:22:59.000 Or can he just sell those same weapons to China?

01:23:01.000 I don't know the details.

01:23:03.000 I know that he wouldn't.

01:23:04.000 Palmer Lucky is very, very adamant about being an American guy and not.

01:23:09.000 That's part of what ENX mission.

01:23:10.000 The next CEO is what concerns me.

01:23:14.000 I don't know that.

01:23:15.000 I mean, fair enough, I suppose that that could be an issue.

01:23:19.000 But when it comes to the mission statement of Andrew, his point is, I want to supply the U.S. government with the ability to defend the American government.

01:23:28.000 So I brought him up because along with other cool tech you're talking about, he said, I think he says that now the troops are networked with their head visor.

01:23:33.000 So if you see an enemy through over there, now all of a sudden he shows up on my screen and I can see him.

01:23:38.000 That's eagle eye, and it's not, it hasn't been deployed.

01:23:41.000 The guys that, the stuff that I'm talking about is it's night vision stuff that's been around for a little while and thermal stuff that's been around for a little while.

01:23:48.000 It's just that the ability to integrate the two is kind of the if it is deployed, they'll tell us it hasn't been deployed until it's really they find.

01:23:55.000 Well, if it was, if it, if it, if Palmer Lucky actually had has had sold that to the government, I don't think he would have been on Joe Rogan talking about it.

01:24:04.000 My argument is that we wouldn't be out of missiles in six days because we have a lot of fat men and little boys that we still have.

01:24:10.000 Uh Ruzine, what's your position on nuclear war?

01:24:14.000 That's a totally different topic, by the way, I will say, peace through strength seems like a logical pathway in this sort of stuff.

01:24:21.000 So if we all know mutually assured destruction, we just all wipe each other out.

01:24:25.000 So I personally am for building up strong governments, building government militaries, all these sorts of things.

01:24:32.000 Uh, increasing the spending on this that might be controversial.

01:24:35.000 Uh, because I think the more weapons we have, the the more, the more your enemy is strapped and has ars, the less likely you are to try and break into his house or pick a fight with us, especially the more modern weapons you have.

01:24:47.000 You know the Russians in 35 or 38 had the most garbage tanks on the planet, which is why the Germans plowed through. 1.00

01:24:53.000 And then the T41.

01:24:55.000 Was that the tank they built?

01:24:56.000 But like what i'm interested, like to your point, Sean is lasers.

01:24:59.000 Now we may run out of missiles in six weeks days, but if we have laser weapons, which apparently we do, I was so scared that drones were going to destroy the world.

01:25:08.000 That drone warfare, swarm warfare would obliterate humanity, AI onboard drone war. 0.84

01:25:13.000 Now we have area denial lasers, so you won't even see it, but it'll knock every piece of machinery out of the sky. 0.84

01:25:20.000 Are you familiar with what the evolution of drone warfare in the Ukraine war?

01:25:24.000 So when the war started, right, they were using drones that were remote control, right?

01:25:29.000 They were all wirelessly controlled.

01:25:33.000 If you look now, there's so many drones that are actually run by fiber octave cable.

01:25:38.000 You basically get a spool that's like five, ten kilometers of fiber octave cable, and they they send the drones out connected because connected to a cable in the sky?

01:25:47.000 Tiny, tiny little filament.

01:25:49.000 No, I swear to God, bring up a picture of these crazy.

01:25:54.000 It reminds me of the race cars when you were a kid.

01:25:55.000 You'd have the wireless cars, then you'd have one with a little string to it.

01:25:58.000 Well, what's happened is now there are videos that Serge is going to pull it up, but of just a whole landscape covered in what looks like cobwebs because they have all these drones that had the fiber optic filament.

01:26:13.000 And that's directly because you have jamming devices.

01:26:17.000 So now the idea of drone swarms coming from a ship to mainland U.S. See, that's kind of like what it looks like.

01:26:25.000 There's so many of them.

01:26:26.000 That's not even a dramatic representation.

01:26:29.000 I've seen...

01:26:30.000 That's like what Jewish people do in New York so they can touch things on Saturdays, right? 1.00

01:26:35.000 They have the string around.

01:26:36.000 Oh, man.

01:26:37.000 You know what I thought?

01:26:38.000 We couldn't walk through a whole show without bringing up the drones.

01:26:41.000 It all goes back to the Jays.

01:26:42.000 This is the thing, right?

01:26:44.000 You can't take anything.

01:26:45.000 But the point being, the idea that technology is going to end.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, see, like that, like the whole town is just covered.

01:26:54.000 Better picture.

01:26:57.000 I'll start talking.

01:26:58.000 Keep going, Phil, if you had more.

01:27:00.000 Well, the idea that military technology reaches a stopping point, drones are here, so that means that nothing's going to be able to be done.

01:27:13.000 People thought the same thing with nuclear weapons.

01:27:15.000 Nuclear weapons are here.

01:27:16.000 There's never going to be another war again because it's too dangerous.

01:27:19.000 Well, we just actually aren't using them, and there's still conventional war that goes on.

01:27:23.000 Are these drones that are attached to wires, they're more resistant to area denial?

01:27:28.000 Yeah, so the fiber optic cable is actually where the controls come from.

01:27:32.000 So you can't jam them because what was happening is you could see pictures and videos of dudes with these big old backpacks with a bunch of antennas on them.

01:27:40.000 They're out at the front, and those are jammers, so that way the drones couldn't receive signals from the base.

01:27:47.000 The laser weaponry they're talking about actually fries the machinery.

01:27:50.000 It'll hit the thing. 1.00

01:27:52.000 Like the Navy was working on about 10 or 15 years ago on destroyers.

01:27:57.000 I'm picturing drones coming out of an aircraft carrier, literally in the air, like a real aircraft carrier.

01:28:03.000 Well, it'd be another type of aircraft carrier, but it's in the air.

01:28:07.000 And then it deploys the drones that come out all with tethers, I guess, attached, maybe?

01:28:11.000 Well, I mean, they might get tangled.

01:28:13.000 The tethers would have to be able to go through each other.

01:28:15.000 It'd have to be a material that could pass through it.

01:28:16.000 Well, I mean, that kind of idea, I don't think that that's practical personally, just because of the fact that if you have a mothership, that's a vulnerability.

01:28:25.000 A missile would take that down. 0.78

01:28:26.000 Or interceptors, you've got, you know, the F-22 is an extremely capable interceptor.

01:28:31.000 And maybe high orbital mothership. 0.92

01:28:34.000 Again, I mean, it's possible, I assume, but at this point, getting that kind of weaponry into the air is difficult.

01:28:41.000 And look, man, an F-15 shot a missile and took out a, this is in the 80s, shot a missile into space and took out a satellite.

01:28:53.000 So even being in low Earth orbit, high enough to be in orbit, but low enough where you could actually get something from orbit to the ground without burning up.

01:29:03.000 No, we have those spikes.

01:29:05.000 We have those spikes.

01:29:06.000 No, rods from God are not real.

01:29:09.000 Tongues and spikes are not real.

01:29:11.000 No.

01:29:11.000 No, I'm curious.

01:29:12.000 I Googled them before.

01:29:14.000 If it's not on Google, then it can't exist.

01:29:16.000 So what do you guys think if the Iran thing actually sparks up?

01:29:20.000 Are we going to see some other technology and warfare that we've never seen before utilized over there?

01:29:25.000 I hope that we don't see it, but I hope that it's extremely effective.

01:29:29.000 It was an if.

01:29:29.000 If I got that.

01:29:30.000 Well, I mean, it's still in the air, right?

01:29:32.000 Like, it's like, this seems like it may happen.

01:29:35.000 They're still moving assets over there.

01:29:37.000 There's the B-2s at Diego Garcia.

01:29:39.000 There's a bunch of refuelers, KC-135, or KC-135s that have moved over into Europe and stuff.

01:29:45.000 There's talk of special forces being moved to Europe and then moving to the Middle East.

01:29:52.000 War show and tell.

01:29:54.000 There's the USS Lincoln diplomacy.

01:29:57.000 The USS Lincoln just moved into the Red Sea and turned its transponder off a couple days ago.

01:30:03.000 So, you know, all of the signs are there.

01:30:06.000 So what I'm saying, you think it's going to be this surgical?

01:30:08.000 Iran would be this surgical. 0.99

01:30:10.000 I would hope.

01:30:11.000 I don't think that I'm hoping that the U.S. doesn't use ground forces.

01:30:16.000 I'm hoping that, to be honest with you, it would be cool if we didn't do anything.

01:30:19.000 But if the reports coming out of Iran are true, they might have killed like 10,000, 15,000 people.

01:30:25.000 20, 30,000.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, so I mean, look, I don't want the U.S. to get involved.

01:30:31.000 But at the same time, if the U.S. can do strikes and not put boots on the ground and actually save lives, maybe it is okay.

01:30:39.000 I wish we had a Warhawk on the panel because I'm very anti-war and I don't think we should be involved in any.

01:30:43.000 But I love talking to the Warhawk people because it's like, they're like, oh, let's, you know, like Phil's saying, oh, let's use drones.

01:30:49.000 Let's blow stuff up.

01:30:51.000 I'm just at the point where it's like, just nuke them. 0.85

01:30:54.000 Just like at that point, just get, I mean, if you're familiar with that.

01:30:57.000 That escalated.

01:30:58.000 Seriously, like, I wish that there was a Warhawk here that would say nuke them. 0.98

01:31:02.000 Listen, if you're for war and you're advocating for war, what's the argument against eradicating everything?

01:31:07.000 You want the territory.

01:31:08.000 That would be like a scorched earth tag.

01:31:09.000 That's like a last resort.

01:31:12.000 So then we just spend years and years and years spending millions and trillions and billions of dollars on war and killing people over time.

01:31:20.000 Like, how is that about seizing the capital without a sort of if the goal is to help the Iranian people, the Persians and the Iranian people, to dethrone their government, a nuclear bomb kills way too many people? 0.71

01:31:37.000 I think it says that much.

01:31:38.000 No, no.

01:31:38.000 But again, the goal is to help the people.

01:31:42.000 Nuclear bombs are not going to help the people.

01:31:44.000 I mean, my position is like, I'm so sick of spending decades in these wars and all of our taxpayers.

01:31:51.000 You get it over.

01:31:52.000 You're not talking about achieving the goal.

01:31:55.000 You're talking about just wiping out a country.

01:31:57.000 I'm talking about ending it.

01:31:59.000 And that's why I think people love the Venezuela thing because we went in, we got it done, and we were out.

01:32:06.000 That's how it should be.

01:32:07.000 Like, I'm so sick of this, like, oh, we're going to spend nation building.

01:32:10.000 We're going to spend, you know, okay, so that's a totally different topic.

01:32:13.000 There's no reason to believe.

01:32:15.000 There's no reason to believe that the United States, if there were to be military action in Iran, there's no reason to believe that we're going to do some kind of nation building, particularly when there's the former Shah of Iran or his kid that's in the United States that set up a website that the Iranians can access talking about, you know, he wants to come back.

01:32:34.000 If the U.S. were to be able to take out the Mullahs or whoever's in charge of Iran, the goal would be to put the Shah back in charge or allow the Shah to get back in control of the country. 0.68

01:32:47.000 You don't need to wipe out everybody in the country to do that.

01:32:50.000 I'm just saying, like a job.

01:32:51.000 I'm just saying it's a bad idea to drop a nuclear ship.

01:32:55.000 I am against nuclear weapons for the record.

01:32:57.000 But again, your hypothetical is it's dragging on and on and on and the U.S. is involved.

01:33:03.000 That is a different subject than taking boots on the ground.

01:33:07.000 That is a different subject or a different goal than what I'm talking about, which is if the U.S. is trying to help free the people of Iran from the existing theocracy and they have a leader that they want, which would be the former Shah or his kid or whatever, if that's the goal, then there's not American boots on the ground forever.

01:33:29.000 There's not continual war in there.

01:33:31.000 It's taking out the leadership and then the new government gets involved.

01:33:35.000 It's a good question.

01:33:35.000 And my counter would be: when has that worked?

01:33:37.000 When is us going in, freeing the people, allowing them to govern themselves?

01:33:42.000 Cuba.

01:33:42.000 Panama.

01:33:43.000 Japan.

01:33:44.000 Cuba's doing great.

01:33:45.000 What about Japan?

01:33:46.000 And what did we do in Japan?

01:33:47.000 Dropped atomic bombs.

01:33:49.000 We dropped two atomic bombs in Japan.

01:33:52.000 And now the menu is not.

01:33:53.000 We have different thermonuclear bombs today.

01:33:57.000 We completely changed everything and we sent that message.

01:34:00.000 But they were a hostile military force.

01:34:02.000 The Iranians are peaceful people being ruled by an autonomy.

01:34:05.000 Iranians are peaceful people.

01:34:06.000 The civilians are.

01:34:07.000 They're not engaging in warfare.

01:34:10.000 If the Iranians were attacking, I would take your argument. 1.00

01:34:15.000 Seriously, if the Iranians were attempting to invade the country, if they were arming against us, for sure, nuclear weapons are not off the table, but it's not the way to win the hearts of the Iranian people.

01:34:24.000 I'm just saying the Iranian people are saying that they're peaceful people.

01:34:28.000 I mean, that's an interesting thing.

01:34:29.000 We don't have to do that.

01:34:30.000 The Iranian government has an agenda that is not aligned with the people of Iran.

01:34:35.000 I'm just saying it never works.

01:34:37.000 Anytime we intervene and we do this, like we're going to change the, we're going to give them a new leader.

01:34:42.000 We're going to install democracy.

01:34:43.000 We're going to go and do it.

01:34:44.000 It never works.

01:34:45.000 It's not talking.

01:34:46.000 Listen, it's not working about installing.

01:34:49.000 We actually created Israel in 1949.

01:34:52.000 Well, the British, the Americans, the French. 0.51

01:34:52.000 That was the British. 0.51

01:34:54.000 They set up the British management.

01:34:56.000 The United States didn't do it.

01:34:57.000 They basically set up a country over there.

01:35:00.000 Did we do well with Panama and getting rid of North America? 1.00

01:35:02.000 Panama?

01:35:03.000 We got rid of Noriega. 0.99

01:35:05.000 We just hear about the bad stories.

01:35:06.000 There's been good overturning of bad leaders with America involving.

01:35:11.000 Panama, didn't they regress, though?

01:35:12.000 Then they go back like 15 years later.

01:35:14.000 No, they stole.

01:35:15.000 Stole our canal.

01:35:16.000 Yeah, they did sell the canal.

01:35:18.000 Yeah, but I mean, it's not Iraq.

01:35:20.000 It's not Afghanistan. 0.67

01:35:21.000 It's not Pakistan. 1.00

01:35:23.000 It's a long debate.

01:35:23.000 I don't want to get into it.

01:35:24.000 Well, the same groups would take care of things.

01:35:27.000 No, it wouldn't take care of anything.

01:35:28.000 Like, it would kill a lot of people, but that wouldn't take I think you're rage baiting us right now. 0.93

01:35:35.000 I think you're arguing for something you don't even believe in.

01:35:38.000 But I want to cease. 0.75

01:35:39.000 That's why we should nuke them. 0.99

01:35:40.000 But I'm just saying.

01:35:43.000 This is not an argument for you guys because you're level-headed.

01:35:45.000 I'm talking about the Warhawks that are like, we must get warm.

01:35:47.000 Let the Warhawks make the argument that the Warhawks.

01:35:50.000 That's my counter-argument.

01:35:51.000 No, no, no, no.

01:35:52.000 Let the Warhawks make the argument that the Warhawks want to make because you're not a Warhawk and you're making a bad Warhawk.

01:35:58.000 This is my debate with the Warhawks.

01:36:00.000 If a lot was here, I'd be like, why not just nuke them then if you want to go?

01:36:03.000 Exactly just go. 0.89

01:36:05.000 Well, I've explained why we wouldn't, and you're just like, yeah, but we should nuke them.

01:36:09.000 No, I know, but you're not a Warhawk.

01:36:10.000 I want to hear it from them.

01:36:11.000 Just because I'm not a Warhawk doesn't mean that I don't understand the politics that are going on and understand what the goals would be.

01:36:18.000 I'm just saying anybody that advocates to use billions of our dollars constantly over decades and destroy our future generations has to explain to me why we can't just take care of it in one day.

01:36:28.000 All of this context that you're adding doesn't actually apply to this particular topic.

01:36:28.000 All right.

01:36:33.000 No, 100%.

01:36:35.000 That's what I said.

01:36:36.000 Just to tap off this story, you know, hypersonic missiles have been a big threat over the last five years.

01:36:42.000 The Russians are like, we have missiles that are faster than anything you can use to defend it. 1.00

01:36:45.000 Not anymore.

01:36:46.000 If these lasers, their denials function, hypersonic missiles are essentially rendered null.

01:36:51.000 They would be arguable potentially.

01:36:53.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.000 All right.

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01:37:43.000 So, all right.

01:37:45.000 So I actually went through.

01:37:46.000 I mean, this staff right there.

01:37:47.000 You can just see them.

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 Russia here.

01:37:50.000 Okay.

01:37:52.000 Are you rolling?

01:37:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:53.000 Ruslan.

01:37:54.000 Oh, do you like rolling?

01:37:55.000 Give an outro because people are going to find out.

01:37:58.000 Ruslan KD.

01:38:00.000 Russlan KD on all platforms.

01:38:00.000 There's a camera.

01:38:02.000 Got a book out called Godly Ambition, which I think speaks to the amazing opportunity that we have right now.

01:38:07.000 Also, the tough season that many people are going through.

01:38:10.000 So you guys can check that out.

01:38:11.000 It's an audible version of that.

01:38:12.000 Awesome.

01:38:12.000 Yeah, Ruslan KD on all platforms.

01:38:14.000 Thank you guys so much for having us.

01:38:15.000 I'm glad you made the immigration debate.

01:38:17.000 Like, it's good to get that perspective.

01:38:19.000 That's really cool.

01:38:20.000 We'd love to have you back.

01:38:21.000 I would love to be back.

01:38:22.000 Hey, thanks for meeting you guys.

01:38:23.000 Prayer, make this flight.

01:38:23.000 Yes.

01:38:24.000 Catch that flight, Russian got popular again. 1.00

01:38:27.000 His flights because there's a storm coming, so he has to leave early.

01:38:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:38:32.000 By the time you hear this, he'll be home resting.

01:38:34.000 From S.F. Campbell, he says, Trump created the International Board of Peace and appointed himself chairman for life, which is hilarious and the most Trumpian thing I've seen.

01:38:45.000 And the chairman chooses his successor.

01:38:47.000 About 35 nations have already committed to participate.

01:38:50.000 The left will obviously never tolerate DJT having enduring global influence after his presidency.

01:38:56.000 So what would be their most likely retaliation if, when they accomplish federal power again?

01:39:03.000 I mean, they would do whatever they can to disassemble it.

01:39:07.000 And I think that goes for just about anything that Trump's done, right?

01:39:10.000 Like, so the Department of War, should a Democrat win, the Department of War will be the Department of Defense 15 minutes after he's inaugurated as the president, whoever the next guy is.

01:39:24.000 As for, I mean, I don't know that there's going to be retaliation beyond just taking apart everything that Trump did.

01:39:31.000 Look, even Trump's positive, even the good things that Donald Trump did, like the remain in Mexico policy, right?

01:39:38.000 They took that away right away and Biden was like, no, we got to bring all the immigrants in.

01:39:43.000 And now we've got, you know, all of the problems that came along with totally unfettered illegal immigration.

01:39:50.000 People were just running into the country.

01:39:51.000 All you had to do was get to a port of entry and say, oh, look, I want to be, you know, I'm here for asylum, regardless of the actual laws and rules surrounding seeking asylum.

01:39:59.000 So I don't know that there's going to be retaliation, but they will definitely do their best to take it apart.

01:40:05.000 The first thing I thought was they would make a German Shepherd the chairman of the World Peace Correlation. 0.51

01:40:12.000 But I guess if Trump is the only one that gets to decide who the next head of his global alliance and what that kind of it's for life.

01:40:18.000 So just because just because he's no longer the president doesn't mean that he's out of the chair position.

01:40:24.000 All these countries signed on.

01:40:26.000 They'll probably all sign off when Trump's gone.

01:40:28.000 You think it'll stick around?

01:40:28.000 Who knows?

01:40:30.000 I haven't really looked into what this is, the global peace.

01:40:32.000 It all depends on what happens in the next three years. 0.92

01:40:35.000 And then Mark Carney talks shit about Trump and he was like, all right, you're not invited anymore. 0.94

01:40:38.000 And he's like, bro, what is this? 0.98

01:40:39.000 That's hilarious.

01:40:41.000 But I do think that it depends on what happens in the next three years.

01:40:44.000 If it's an actual organization that does stuff that is successful and has laudable achievements, then I think that it might stick around.

01:40:55.000 If it's just a way for Trump to stroke his ego and it doesn't do anything, then it's gone instantly.

01:41:01.000 I wonder if Gulf of America is going to get renamed back to Gulf of America.

01:41:05.000 Oh, God, I'm so annoyed with this.

01:41:07.000 They're going to undo everything that Donald Trump.

01:41:09.000 Or will they redo it?

01:41:10.000 Do it different?

01:41:11.000 What if they're like, no, it's the Gulf of Good Faith?

01:41:14.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 Gulf of America makes the most sense.

01:41:17.000 Yeah, I know.

01:41:18.000 That's why Vance has to win.

01:41:19.000 That's why, you know, the Trump side has to win.

01:41:23.000 Vance is going to blow everybody else out.

01:41:25.000 He's going to win so much.

01:41:26.000 I mean, you know, I know we'll get to the next one, but like, who really is on the Democrat side?

01:41:30.000 Gavin.

01:41:31.000 Gavin's hit.

01:41:32.000 He's so slimy.

01:41:32.000 I know he's his voice.

01:41:34.000 I hope they run AOC.

01:41:36.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:37.000 The clips will, like, in the jokes right themselves.

01:41:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:40.000 I mean, look, I don't, I'm one of those guys that thinks that AOC is a very viable candidate.

01:41:47.000 I think that she's politically astute.

01:41:49.000 And there's a lot of people that misunderstand this.

01:41:51.000 I think they intentionally misunderstand this or say they're misunderstanding without actually putting any thought into it.

01:41:57.000 I don't align with AOC on any of her policies.

01:42:01.000 There's like nothing that she would do that I like.

01:42:05.000 But the point is, she's a talented political actor, and she is a legitimate threat to the right, to conservatives, because of that talent. 0.93

01:42:17.000 Again, I'm not some AOC fan.

01:42:20.000 I don't think that she has, you know, I don't agree with any of her policy positions.

01:42:24.000 I think she would do serious damage to the country.

01:42:27.000 But to just say, to laugh her off.

01:42:30.000 To underestimate.

01:42:32.000 I agree with Tim, though.

01:42:33.000 A woman can't win. 1.00

01:42:34.000 That's why I hope they run her because women hate women so much. 1.00

01:42:39.000 Like having her go, it's going to be, they lose. 0.52

01:42:42.000 I mean, it depends on the conditions, right?

01:42:45.000 Like, if the left gets in and they expand the court and do all the things that they want to do and make at-home voting a thing, and maybe they make an app where you can vote from your app, which is a horrible idea.

01:42:58.000 I know.

01:43:00.000 I'm not so convinced.

01:43:02.000 If it's a fair election where people have to go to the polls and it's a one-day thing, if the Republicans can actually pass the Save Act and make these changes to make sure that the elections are actually secure and it's a one-day thing, then I think that I would agree with you.

01:43:20.000 I don't think that she can win.

01:43:21.000 If it's a situation where the Democrats can say, look, we've created this app and you just download it and you can vote from there.

01:43:27.000 And, you know, we're going to go and mail ballots out and we're going to do ballot harvesting.

01:43:31.000 And if the Democrats are in control of the election the way that they were in 2020, I don't believe for one second that a woman cannot win.

01:43:39.000 I think that it's all about who controls.

01:43:41.000 Look, it's all about who's counting the votes.

01:43:44.000 And who her opponent is.

01:43:45.000 Because I had said, like, someone else had mentioned a woman can't win. 0.97

01:43:48.000 I was like, well, her opponent's Tim Waltz.

01:43:50.000 And then we all laughed and we're like, well, maybe if it's Tim Waltz, yeah.

01:43:52.000 I mean, but Kamala is a great example of a woman can't win. 1.00

01:43:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:57.000 Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate, but she was uniquely terrible. 1.00

01:44:02.000 And I don't think AOC has any of the same problems aside from being women. 0.99

01:44:06.000 We have so many women voters, you know, regardless of the repeal of the 19th and what people and what they want. 1.00

01:44:13.000 We have a lot of women that vote and they hate women. 1.00

01:44:16.000 They just hate women. 1.00

01:44:18.000 I don't know if hate's the right word, but maybe, I don't know.

01:44:21.000 You ever work with women that work with other women?

01:44:24.000 I can't really speak.

01:44:25.000 It's the way that women, it's the way that women behave socially, that women are extremely critical of other women. 1.00

01:44:35.000 Men argue to their face. 0.97

01:44:37.000 Women cut each other's throats behind their backs. 1.00

01:44:41.000 Is there a genetic thing where a woman doesn't want her husband serving another woman? 1.00

01:44:45.000 I don't know if that's it.

01:44:47.000 It's social.

01:44:49.000 Look, if men don't get along, men might get into a fistfight. 1.00

01:44:52.000 There's always an underlying possibility of violence.

01:44:55.000 And then after the fight, they can settle the score and just be like, all right.

01:44:58.000 Because what the fight does is it figures out who's actually on top, right?

01:45:02.000 The physical fight, it's like the guy that loses the fight kind of is like, all right, well, that guy's kind of, you know, in charge.

01:45:07.000 And this goes back to before we were even humans.

01:45:10.000 Women have to do things like they need to de-escalate. 1.00

01:45:14.000 They need, because they're not physically powerful, they use control, they use manipulation, they use, and this isn't trying to say that women are bad. 1.00

01:45:22.000 This is just what evolution has done.

01:45:25.000 Women are going to use social things to discredit other women. 1.00

01:45:32.000 And so that's kind of where the argument is.

01:45:35.000 I was thinking like a guy would be like, we need better body armor.

01:45:38.000 The women would be like, we need warmer clothes. 1.00

01:45:40.000 Obviously, the guy's going to say we need warmer clothes too, but the woman will make sure that this is ridiculous. 1.00

01:45:44.000 I'm just all speculative, but that people are healthy.

01:45:46.000 Like, the way we're going to win is by having healthier men.

01:45:48.000 And the men are like, the way we're going to win is by destroying our opponents.

01:45:51.000 Well, the women, what they do is they'll go up to another woman, say, oh, my God, that dress looks so great on you. 1.00

01:45:56.000 You did something so great.

01:45:57.000 And then later they're calling 10 of their friends saying, how horrible of a person.

01:46:00.000 You may not, I don't know if you've heard this, but a hairdresser will cut a woman that she thinks is prettier than her. 1.00

01:46:08.000 She will cut her hair shorter than what the person wants. 1.00

01:46:12.000 And they don't even think about it, but they're just like, because long hair is associated with beauty.

01:46:18.000 It does take effort to make other people look better.

01:46:21.000 Like, that's an acting trick.

01:46:22.000 They teach you an acting school.

01:46:24.000 Like, the whole point of being an actor is to make everyone else on stage with you look better.

01:46:27.000 And now, this is not all.

01:46:28.000 You can never say all in an every scenario, but we're just saying on the masses.

01:46:32.000 Like, this is how it's.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, it's a thing that Red Yournch calls GSM, which is gossip, something-esque, and manipulation.

01:46:38.000 And specifically is like the way that women argue amongst themselves in order to create hierarchy amongst themselves. 1.00

01:46:44.000 It's a thing.

01:46:45.000 I appreciate you pointing out to us the strengths of AOC, though, because it's important to know the strengths of your opponents.

01:46:49.000 It's very important.

01:46:50.000 That's why whenever people are – we had Terrence K. Phillips on, and he was laughing.

01:46:56.000 And I'm like, man, that's such a bad perspective.

01:46:59.000 You don't want to underestimate an opponent at all.

01:47:03.000 You never want to underestimate.

01:47:04.000 And to just blow her off and be like, oh, no, she could never do it.

01:47:08.000 I was like, man, that's just the wrong attitude to have because she's very popular on the left and she's extremely politically talented. 0.99

01:47:17.000 So, I mean, you can think I'm crazy.

01:47:20.000 You can laugh all you want.

01:47:21.000 But look, man, she is going to, at some point, she is going to run for president. 0.98

01:47:26.000 Like, she has those aspirations.

01:47:27.000 I don't know for sure.

01:47:29.000 Yeah, I don't know for sure that she's going to win, but she absolutely has the ability to win. 0.99

01:47:34.000 So from Taylor Lorenz's Somali Daycare.

01:47:39.000 Assuming we lose in 26 and 28, and we go back to peak woke, open borders, transgender, everything, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

01:47:46.000 What does it look like when these third worlders kids start bringing gay shit home from their public schools? 1.00

01:47:51.000 Do you think there's a possibility that pushes immigrants to the right? 1.00

01:47:54.000 Do they choose to keep their kids safe over living on the democratic welfare fraud tit?

01:48:00.000 I love you, Phil, Ian.

01:48:02.000 Thank you very much.

01:48:03.000 It's already happened in the UK.

01:48:04.000 I mean, you saw, like, what do they do?

01:48:06.000 They just teach their kids at home.

01:48:07.000 That's all they do.

01:48:09.000 They'll come up to their own schools.

01:48:10.000 I mean, it's happening in Minnesota.

01:48:11.000 They have schools already that teach out the Quran and teach, you know, the Hadith.

01:48:16.000 And like, that's their education.

01:48:18.000 You know, they're not going to be taught those things because they're not going to be in those situations.

01:48:23.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:48:25.000 At some point, there would be a fight between the religious immigrants and the left.

01:48:33.000 But I think that that's further down the road because you don't see that confrontation happening en masse yet in the UK, although it's coming.

01:48:43.000 Sorry with like Tommy and, you know, you saw some of that.

01:48:46.000 What I'm talking about is you don't see the left.

01:48:48.000 Because they see each other as fighting a common enemy.

01:48:48.000 Right.

01:48:51.000 Yeah.

01:48:52.000 So it would, it would, it would, but it would eventually happen.

01:48:55.000 And to be honest with you, I think the left loses when they're back in power.

01:48:58.000 That's when it happens.

01:48:59.000 Oh, that's the scary part as a theocracy coming out of all this, the rubble.

01:49:03.000 It's like somebody's like, it's my belief structure that's the most important thing.

01:49:07.000 Well, both of them have a belief structure, but the left, because of the way that the left operates, they're going to say, well, we can't attack these minorities, even if they become a majority.

01:49:20.000 And that's what has to happen to your point, or to push back on your point.

01:49:26.000 They have to be close to a majority before they actually confront the left.

01:49:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, no.

01:49:33.000 I'm saying when the left is back in power, that you already kind of saw it.

01:49:36.000 Like you see it with like the leftist demonstrators.

01:49:39.000 They'll attack the Democrats, even though they're on the same side.

01:49:42.000 They'll say, well, you're not going far enough.

01:49:44.000 Like there is that civil war.

01:49:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:46.000 Yeah, but I think that so at least in the hypothetical that was presented, just because the left wins the next election doesn't mean that that's the point where the left starts fighting with the religious.

01:50:02.000 I'm not saying that at all.

01:50:03.000 I'm just saying they have to then be in power for that to even happen.

01:50:07.000 If they're the underdogs, if they are still losing, they're going to partner with them.

01:50:11.000 Removal of the common enemy.

01:50:12.000 And then these two conservative movements, like everyone started pointing their guns at each other and attacking each other on the conservative side because why?

01:50:22.000 We won, you know?

01:50:23.000 And when you win, people are terrible winners.

01:50:25.000 They start attacking each other instead of keeping their eye on the price.

01:50:28.000 I think that's part of the problem with partisanry, is it's so much about you and your group that, even if you have other groups with you that have a common enemy, split away like big TENT.

01:50:37.000 Are you ready to amalgamate or are you still partisan?

01:50:41.000 So Doc T-bone says Phil and everyone other than Ian Rosie O'Donnell, self-deported because Trump won.

01:50:47.000 Unfortunately, she's coming back.

01:50:49.000 What else can we do to make it as inhospitable as possible?

01:50:53.000 So all the awful's will self-deport along with the illegal invaders. 1.00

01:50:57.000 I don't know that you're gonna get rid of um, a significant number of actual American citizens.

01:51:04.000 I think we covered it today.

01:51:05.000 Actually, I think you need to make it painful for them, and part of that is taking away their underclass, their slave class, forcing them to have to pay more for the services and the things that they you know. 0.98

01:51:16.000 That's the only way to get rid of these people.

01:51:18.000 I think that it's.

01:51:19.000 This is just my opinion, but I don't think that the slave underclass is going to be a thing far into the future, because I really do think that the point that i'm making is I think that robots are actually going to become so, so they're going to be ubiquitous.

01:51:38.000 I mean, people don't realize how many robots.

01:51:40.000 They they interact with and see nowadays and like we were talking last night about, you know the you get Amazon deliveries by a robot.

01:51:47.000 Now you get, you can get food deliveries by robots and I think that there will be some you know some amount of of human beings doing menial labor in for the next few years.

01:51:59.000 But honestly, I do think that once they perfect Optimus and and the human humanoid robots, and once they start getting Into society, And again, these things are not going to be expensive.

01:52:12.000 And when I say not going to be expensive, I mean they're not going to be prohibitively expensive.

01:52:12.000 Right.

01:52:16.000 They're not going to be so expensive that only the super rich have them.

01:52:19.000 You're going to have to be.

01:52:21.000 No, no, because the reason I'm saying is because these things will cost between probably $25,000 and $35,000.

01:52:29.000 And you'll finance it at 5% because the banks are going to love to give you that money.

01:52:33.000 So that way they can make the interest payment on it.

01:52:37.000 So you get that.

01:52:39.000 People will forego the second car because you can have a robot for the same thing.

01:52:45.000 And the robot will go and get your food and go to the grocery store for you and save you all this time.

01:52:50.000 And the robot will fold your laundry.

01:52:52.000 And you can actually say it's a better investment to have the robot than to have a second car.

01:52:57.000 I wouldn't even be surprised if within three years the cost will drop to seven grand.

01:53:02.000 See, and I absolutely because Elon today said, or I read that he was saying that robots will assume you're building robots.

01:53:08.000 Yeah.

01:53:09.000 I understand what you guys are saying.

01:53:10.000 I just don't share your view that, you know, even in our lifetime, it's going to happen.

01:53:14.000 We're not going to have robot maids. 1.00

01:53:16.000 We're not going to have autonomous stuff.

01:53:19.000 Look at it now.

01:53:20.000 I mean, like, you know, you have those like robot washers or whatever.

01:53:23.000 Like, they don't have opposable thumbs.

01:53:25.000 They can't do a lot of the stuff like cleaning a house, doing the plumbing, doing like the electricity.

01:53:31.000 Right now, I don't share your guys' optimal.

01:53:34.000 I think it's like two generations down the road, honestly.

01:53:36.000 Like to where it literally becomes a part of like, you know, with people can't even get cars to drive themselves, even though we have the time.

01:53:43.000 My car drives me all the time.

01:53:44.000 But you have to be there, though.

01:53:45.000 That's the problem.

01:53:46.000 Only because of the government saying it has to be.

01:53:48.000 The Waymos and the Waymos and the Tesla taxis are driverless.

01:53:55.000 When can't Waymos drive?

01:53:58.000 When it's snowing, when it's raining, and when the elements are a part of it.

01:54:01.000 Like you still need humans.

01:54:04.000 So there are times where driving is inhibited by weather, but that doesn't mean that a robot, like a humanoid robot inside the house is inhibited in the same way.

01:54:13.000 I mean, listen, I hope you guys are right.

01:54:16.000 I just, I fear like we've been made all these promises on this stuff.

01:54:20.000 Elon's pretty good at following through so far.

01:54:22.000 He's got a good track record.

01:54:23.000 Now, was he hiring people to be in those robots?

01:54:26.000 Did anyone ever figure that out?

01:54:28.000 Like when he has those parties, he has those robots come around?

01:54:30.000 Are there like people inside of those cars?

01:54:32.000 They're not inside of them.

01:54:33.000 What they would do is they would have a they would have a pre-programmed walking route so that people would walk it.

01:54:39.000 They would be wearing control.

01:54:40.000 No, no.

01:54:41.000 The people would wear a suit that has sensors on it.

01:54:44.000 They would do whatever the robot's supposed to do.

01:54:47.000 And then they would transfer that information into the robot and the robot would do it.

01:54:51.000 Gotcha.

01:54:51.000 But again, this is the the if you look at the stuff that Boston Dynamics is doing and the robots that they have, the Atlas, I think is the name of it.

01:54:59.000 And even Amazon, I saw those.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, some of those.

01:55:01.000 But those, like, it's not very far off where AI will be able to do, because they have the ability, they have the mobility, they have the articulation necessary, but it's a matter of getting the AI to be able to do that.

01:55:14.000 And AI is, I mean, look at, I bring this up a lot.

01:55:19.000 The Will Smith eating spaghetti two years ago.

01:55:22.000 Yeah.

01:55:22.000 The video.

01:55:23.000 It looked ridiculous. 0.87

01:55:23.000 Oh, for sure. 0.87

01:55:25.000 Everybody could clearly see that it was a mess.

01:55:27.000 You know, the spaghetti appearing and disappearing.

01:55:29.000 And, you know, his face was getting all weird.

01:55:31.000 And that was just two years ago.

01:55:32.000 Nowadays, if you make an AI video of Will Smith eating spaghetti, it is indistinguishable.

01:55:32.000 Right.

01:55:39.000 How many magnitudes how many magnitudes better is that?

01:55:42.000 30 magnitudes better?

01:55:43.000 Like, it's hard to tell how many hundred quadrillions are.

01:55:45.000 Probably better.

01:55:47.000 Remember, an order of magnitude is at zero.

01:55:50.000 I just, I hope you guys are right, but I, you know, after being in kind of like manufacturing and the corporate world, like the nuances in any process are so like, like, there's so many little things, like even in the smallest process of like watering the plant or whatever, like from office to office, like there's all these nuances.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:56:10.000 Robots have been building cars for 33 decades, four decades.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, but with humans overseeing them and fixing them when they're good.

01:56:17.000 Yes, but they're doing the building, right?

01:56:19.000 They're doing some of the welding and yeah, yeah, things like that.

01:56:21.000 So that's a repeatable thing.

01:56:22.000 And you're dealing with robots.

01:56:22.000 Sure.

01:56:24.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:56:25.000 Like very easy processes they can do.

01:56:27.000 But when you get into the nuance of like Ian likes to have his bed made a certain way, like instead of, you know, like the fold here needs to be here.

01:56:34.000 You know, like there's just like just me being like a process guy, like I know like how much nuance is.

01:56:41.000 I keep picturing these robots with like tool belts that have all these different, like an egg beater and a knife and a spoon, and then they can go zing and they roll their hand off and they put the egg beater on.

01:56:49.000 And then they can beat your eggs. 1.00

01:56:49.000 Why? 1.00

01:56:53.000 Why would you do that when all of these tools exist and you're making robots with hands?

01:56:59.000 If the grips are good enough, because like Sean's saying, process, I don't know if the hands are going to be, robot hands are going to be good enough for Google for the real specifics.

01:57:05.000 You're not going to be able to do it.

01:57:07.000 Just Google what they're doing at Boston Dynamics.

01:57:10.000 That's it.

01:57:10.000 And that will cure you of that opinion.

01:57:14.000 Hey, I was promised a robot dog and a machine that would cut my hair by the Jetsons.

01:57:18.000 The robot.

01:57:18.000 Flying cars.

01:57:19.000 All right.

01:57:20.000 We get on all fours.

01:57:21.000 We had to get some more questions here.

01:57:23.000 Let's see.

01:57:23.000 Who's this?

01:57:25.000 Let's see.

01:57:26.000 Mr. Sambra Joe says, for the panel, I understand Abuela looks bad, optics. 1.00

01:57:32.000 But if we don't deport illegals, what will the message be for everyone looking to come here to the USA? 0.99

01:57:36.000 I also believe we need to start going for landlords, companies, and corporations using illegals for cheap labor or get some economic advantage over the U.S. American citizens trying to do everything by the book.

01:57:47.000 I completely agree.

01:57:49.000 I want to go after landlords.

01:57:50.000 I want to go after employers.

01:57:51.000 Currently, the government can go after employers.

01:57:54.000 I think that they should be doing more of that.

01:57:56.000 And I would love to see you.

01:57:57.000 I would love to see people going after landlords.

01:58:00.000 If you're knowingly renting to illegals, you should face some kind of criminal charges or something. 1.00

01:58:06.000 I agree.

01:58:06.000 You know, geopolitically, the optics have shifted drastically.

01:58:09.000 It was only Biden fucked up, excuse me, the optics globally when he said surge the border. 0.78

01:58:14.000 Like the optics are don't come to the United States illegally. 0.99

01:58:16.000 Do not do it.

01:58:17.000 And especially now, people know.

01:58:19.000 So I don't think going any harder domestically will make global optics be like, oh, now I really shouldn't go.

01:58:24.000 Like people do not want to come here right now.

01:58:26.000 It's a bad time to illegally try to get into the United States.

01:58:29.000 No, but that's why I wish that people like Ruzlan, which again, he's Christian and this is like a thing that they have.

01:58:36.000 You got to accept people and blah, blah, blah, and the church and all that stuff.

01:58:40.000 But like they can't see the fact that it's like, yeah, they have committed a crime.

01:58:45.000 They shouldn't be.

01:58:45.000 They're here.

01:58:47.000 Would you allow somebody from off the street to come and sleep in your house and live in your walls?

01:58:51.000 Sounds like Venet, my ears in Venice, California.

01:58:54.000 Right.

01:58:55.000 Well, you know, you said my ears.

01:58:58.000 I was like, what about you?

01:59:01.000 No, you know what I'm saying?

01:59:02.000 Like, it really, it's like, I understand they want to be like humanitarian.

01:59:06.000 They want to like take care of these people.

01:59:07.000 And yes, they're fleeing from bad situations or whatever, but it's not our problem.

01:59:11.000 You know, like, go to India.

01:59:13.000 Like, they're going to have the same problem with you.

01:59:15.000 Go to Canada.

01:59:16.000 They're going to have the same.

01:59:16.000 Well, Canada, maybe.

01:59:18.000 It ebbs and flows because that whole it's not my problem.

01:59:20.000 We go through like a phase, geo, like just 50 years where people are like, it's not my problem.

01:59:24.000 And then it's like, well, we see the suffering in the world, and you're like, maybe it is because we're all on Earth together.

01:59:28.000 Problem.

01:59:29.000 We're all humans.

01:59:30.000 There's always going to be suffering in this world, but it's not the U.S.'s job to fix it.

01:59:35.000 And again, we were talking, you know, the U.S. is the most altruistic country on earth.

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:41.000 Like, we are way more receiving and accepting than basically any other country.

01:59:47.000 You know, and the efforts that we've gone to to incentivize people to go home are far beyond anything.

01:59:54.000 Like, most countries just throw you in jail.

01:59:56.000 That's why they take advantage of us because they know we try to be the bleeding hearts.

01:59:59.000 We try to be the people that like take care of the world and you just get taken advantage of.

02:00:03.000 We have to stop.

02:00:04.000 We have to just, like Trump's saying, don't come. 0.91

02:00:07.000 You come to the border, you're getting turned away.

02:00:09.000 Even Kamala Harris said, don't come.

02:00:10.000 Oh, she said, yeah, don't go near. 1.00

02:00:12.000 That was bullshit. 0.99

02:00:12.000 Don't come. 0.99

02:00:13.000 Again, they want to go.

02:00:14.000 It's like, I'm coming.

02:00:15.000 He had to cut their grass.

02:00:15.000 Did you see that?

02:00:16.000 That's comedy.

02:00:18.000 We got one more from Colt.

02:00:19.000 What do you guys believe Vance would do if Trump is impeached or arrested?

02:00:23.000 Go scorched Earth and declare sedition or sit back and wait his turn.

02:00:26.000 I mean, I think that he would, I mean, he will, first of all, he would take the office of the presidency and then he would, you know, probably direct the DOJ to look into it.

02:00:36.000 I mean, I'm not sure how you would get Trump arrested without the DOJ, but if he was impeached and removed from office by this, you know, impeached by the House and removed from office by the Senate, which is a long shot because the Republicans control the Senate and likely will control the Senate after 2028 as well.

02:00:54.000 I think that he would probably direct the DOJ to look into it and see.

02:00:58.000 Are you talking about JD Vance?

02:00:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:00.000 I think he would do the right thing, whatever that thing is, because I was not a fan of JD Vance.

02:01:06.000 I didn't like him.

02:01:07.000 I didn't like his movie.

02:01:08.000 I didn't like his book.

02:01:09.000 I didn't like the fact that he had liberal friends and Hollywood friends and stuff.

02:01:13.000 But ever since he's been in, like, every single thing that comes up, he's always on the right side.

02:01:19.000 Like, you know, the Tony Hinchcliffe thing with the Puerto Rico joke, you know, remember he made the joke about Puerto Rico.

02:01:24.000 He was the only one in the administration that handled that properly.

02:01:27.000 He came out and was like, we're not going to get upset at jokes.

02:01:31.000 We're going to get over this.

02:01:32.000 Like, we're the adults in the room.

02:01:33.000 I mean, even Trump was like, Tony, I don't even know the guy.

02:01:35.000 Like, you can completely threw him under the bus.

02:01:37.000 Like, Vance always seems to, I don't know if it's his advisors or what, but he's always making the right decisions.

02:01:44.000 He has the right reactions to like whatever it is.

02:01:46.000 So I really like him.

02:01:49.000 I didn't like him, but he's really won me over just the reactions.

02:01:53.000 He's like a normal dude.

02:01:54.000 He's like a beer of mine from high school, I feel like.

02:01:57.000 And he's paying attention to you.

02:01:58.000 He's ethical.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, he's reading people's tweets.

02:02:01.000 Like he's really in it.

02:02:02.000 All right.

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02:02:40.000 What have you been up to?

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02:02:43.000 He had to go, but he was fantastic.

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02:03:34.000 Serge, you're awesome.

02:03:35.000 Awesome.

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