On this week's episode of the Green Room Podcast, we cover a plane crash, Elon Musk's secret child with conservative influencer Ashley St. Clair, and the controversy surrounding the story. Plus, why the right is so obsessed with the story, and why the left isn't.
00:00:23.000There was only a small handful of injuries.
00:00:25.000I believe everyone's okay, so we're glad to hear it.
00:00:27.000Now, initially, we wanted to lead off with the plane crash story because Democrats, of course, are blaming Elon Musk and Donald Trump over this crash because they've begun to fire people at the FAA, plus pulling out of all these DEI programs they've been heavily critical of.
00:00:42.000And sure enough, right as soon, just as soon as Trump gets in office, we start seeing a lot of plane crashes.
00:00:46.000Now, there's a question of whether we're just hyper-focused on these stories or if there actually is an uptick.
00:00:51.000And it does seem to be that as many people predicted over the past year, this was going to be escalating.
00:00:56.000However, my friends, we have opted for a different lead story.
00:01:04.000I don't know, like a 2% conflict of interest in that we know Ashley St. Clair.
00:01:08.000I consider her to be a friend to a certain degree.
00:01:11.000We don't hang out or anything, but she's a friend of the show.
00:01:13.000She's helped us out from time to time, and we know her.
00:01:18.000So I try to stay out of the business, but the story over Elon Musk's secret child with conservative influence, they call her conservative influencer, has once again bubbled up as one of the top cultural stories.
00:01:29.000As much as I don't care about tabloid drama, Well, Ashley has brought the New York Post into her home to take pictures.
00:01:36.000There are claims now that Elon is not acknowledging the child or not finalizing an agreement or something.
00:01:41.000We're going to go through all the details because it's a big story.
00:01:43.000But I do believe that as this story has basically become one of the top stories outside of the major scandals that Elon has uncovered, there's a lot of cultural questions about what the conservative movement coalition is willing to accept.
00:01:56.000Seemingly winning the culture war, there are a lot of people on the right critical of single motherhood, of women having romance and flings and love children with powerful billionaires, and with many prominent conservatives and traditional families and influencers defending Ashley, there's calls for hypocrisy.
00:02:13.000So I think addressing these questions, considering the scope of the story now, once again, another story is dropped about what's going on with this matters.
00:02:20.000But then I just got to say, you know, look.
00:02:23.000Elon Musk really is rivaling Donald Trump as the most famous guy on the planet right now.
00:02:30.000But with Elon uncovering what millions of dead people on the rolls of the Social Security Administration, listed as alive, brings up a lot of questions.
00:02:40.000Sending Doge into the IRS to make layoffs and now the FAA. This man has certainly gotten a lot of work done.
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00:04:22.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Bethany Mandel.
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00:05:58.000Well, Elon is arguably the most important, not more than Trump, but he's like number two, basically, in terms of importance in the world, what with the gutting of all the corruption and what Doge is doing.
00:06:09.000And this story hits a nerve on what the right, who has just had a tremendous cultural victory, is willing to accept.
00:06:15.000So let's start with the gist of the story.
00:06:25.000Ashley St. Clair, influencer who claims to have had Musk's 13th child, reveals life of secrecy after whirlwind romance with down-to-earth billionaire.
00:06:43.000It's not like I hang out with her all the time, but I do think...
00:06:45.000I consider her to be a friend in the industry, just so that's clear.
00:06:49.000They're going to mention, in an exclusive sit-down from her glitzy Manhattan pad Saturday, Ashley St. Clair, 26, described the 53-year-old Tesla and SpaceX mogul as funny and down-to-earth, but claimed that he wanted to keep their baby a secret for everyone's safety.
00:07:02.000My child is the most important thing that happened to me.
00:07:06.000St. Clair broke the internet on Friday when she posted an ex that she gave birth to Musk's baby five months ago, a revelation she said she was forced to make due to prying tabloid reporters.
00:07:16.000Musk has not yet acknowledged the allegations, and his reps did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
00:07:49.000Now, Ashley put out a statement on Friday saying that because there were these tabloid journalists basically hounding her and her family, she was forced to make this disclosure, which she did not want to do.
00:07:59.000The story has now taken multiple form, with the New York Post basically going off about it.
00:08:03.000The Daily Mail picking it up, as they were the ones, I believe, who, I'm not entirely sure.
00:08:09.000I'm assuming, I think it was Daily Mail that was going after it initially.
00:08:15.000Some are speculating with the release of these stories that what's actually happened is that, now I'm not saying this is true, but with that statement about they haven't come to an agreement yet, some are speculating the story was Elon dropped the story.
00:08:30.000I'm sorry, dropped the conversation, was not negotiating an agreement.
00:08:34.000And so the real reason Ashley went public was because she was trying to put pressure on Elon to come to some kind of agreement.
00:08:42.000I would just say, you know, Occam's razor, the likely solution, I'm sorry, the solution that is likely makes the least amount of assumptions.
00:08:50.000I think it's fair to say with the tabloids writing the story like crazy, aside from the fact she did obviously do the story with the New York Post, that she was pressured because of the media.
00:08:59.000This is a wild story with tons of prominent conservative personalities going off saying that this should be unacceptable.
00:09:06.000The right should not tolerate single motherhood in this way and praise or defend it.
00:09:10.000While many other prominent conservatives are defending Ashley because she's been great for the MAGA movement.
00:09:33.000Like, when Elon had all these other kids, was it publicly declared, like, new baby born?
00:09:38.000Well, when he had his second baby, I believe with Grimes, is also when the story came out that he had his other baby coming out with the Neuralink CEO. So that was a secret baby to them.
00:09:47.000She tweeted him, and then she ended up deleting the tweet.
00:09:52.000On the 15th, and she said, Elon, we've been trying to communicate for the past several days and you have not responded.
00:09:57.000When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual who'd posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old?
00:10:05.000The only acknowledgement was back to Milo.
00:10:09.000Milo was posting, like, she's been going after him for years, and so Elon responded, whoa, and then...
00:10:16.000Ashley responded that to him and then ended up deleting it.
00:10:20.000While Milo's account was banned for seven days.
00:10:23.000So it was very strange to see Elon posting to an account.
00:10:28.000Was it banned under Elon or prior to his taking over Twitter?
00:12:21.000I mean, the New York Post piece that John Levine posted said that he's putting her up in a $40,000 a month place in New York, and I wonder if that's...
00:13:10.000All of those women who were sleeping with him all that time, it wasn't his sparkling personality.
00:13:15.000Yeah, this is an archetype of a rich man with lots of children spread across the globe.
00:13:21.000Yeah, considering the fact that Elon has made it abundantly clear to the world that he's looking to have as many children as he possibly can, I don't think that it's beyond...
00:13:36.000Someone to say, hey, this is probably a fairly easy thing to nail down.
00:13:43.000I mean, I don't know if he wants to have an army of mini-Musks.
00:14:35.000You know, he has no concerns about money, right?
00:14:39.000And he has the ability to meet and interact with women, and he's impressive to women.
00:14:47.000So, I mean, look, whether or not his intent is to get out there and actually make as many babies as possible, or he's just careless about it, because what does it matter?
00:14:57.000I can go ahead and take care of this woman.
00:15:49.000Even though the leftists will swear up and down that we're right on the cusp of a Nazi takeover.
00:15:54.000We have been living in a leftist world for the better part of 40 years.
00:16:00.000The left has been controlling everything.
00:16:03.000And I think that people on the right, people that are conservative, religious, I think that they do not control the not-left.
00:16:14.000They may actually have significant influence over the right.
00:16:18.000They may have significant influence over the conservatives, but they don't have significant influence over the right more broadly, and they definitely don't have significant influence over the not-left.
00:16:33.000Elon Musk and all this that's going on doesn't fall under the conservative Christians or the conservative right.
00:16:40.000I think that it falls under the not left and because of the world that we live in, everything that we see that is not left is knee-jerk said, oh, well, it's conservative right.
00:17:25.000Again, the MAGA coalition or the new Republicans, however you want to phrase it, it would do them well to look at this as a situation that is not the conservative right.
00:17:38.000This is about the big tent, which is something that everybody acknowledges is necessary to continue to win elections.
00:18:00.000If we're going to kick people out, or Musk is, if we're going to kick people out because they're not doing the things that a narrow group of people on the right want, then it is going to be a very, very short amount of time that this big tent has as a coalition.
00:18:18.000It will collapse on itself eventually.
00:18:20.000And then people sacrificing their morals to allow it to be a big tent will eventually turn it on itself.
00:18:25.000You know, like, there's many things I'm way against Trump on, in terms of his stance on abortion now, and propping up a lot of these people.
00:18:32.000That shouldn't take away from the things I do think, Elon, I love Doge.
00:18:35.000You know, like, personal feelings aside, how I feel about him, how I view his fatherhood, what I think it is, I love what he's doing with Doge.
00:18:42.000I just don't want to prop up people that I think are degenerate.
00:18:45.000So this is something that I struggle with.
00:18:48.000With Elon, because he talks a lot about the fact that we are facing a real birth crisis, and it's 100% true.
00:18:55.000And I don't think that he's carrying around his child as a prop.
00:18:59.000I think it's great that he's showing that you can be a father and, because I bring my kids to meetings all the time, and it's nice to see a father doing that.
00:19:06.000It makes it easier on me as a mother who does it.
00:19:09.000But I struggle with the other parts of it, the fact that he has...
00:19:13.000Other children who do not have a present father.
00:20:03.000But I do agree with Phil largely that I think it's worthy of criticism, and we also at the same time recognize the Big Ten is going to have things like this in it.
00:20:11.000And so you criticize it and say, look, Ashley has done well to help Trump and MAGA as an influencer, and so I'm a fan of all that.
00:20:22.000This is personal stuff that I think we have no problem criticizing, but at the same time...
00:21:05.000Elon Musk says, according to the social security database, these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with death field set to false.
00:21:12.000Maybe twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting social security.
00:21:15.000I do, I love how he put death field set to false because like, There's a lot of people who don't know what that means.
00:21:24.000I know someone's going to comment right now on the show and be like, we know what that means to them.
00:22:18.00023 million over the age 100. The New York Post says Elon tweets it.
00:22:25.000Musk bombshell has long been known by the SSA, which released an audit in July of 23 showing that 18.9 million people listed as 100 years or older but not dead were in the database.
00:22:35.000Only 86,000 people living in the U.S. at the time were actually centenarians, according to the census.
00:24:04.000They're forging signatures for the benefit of I mean, it's like so I my mom died when I was 16. So I got Social Security benefits and it was just signed into the name of my guardian at the time.
00:24:15.000And I imagine it's the same thing as someone.
00:25:44.000It would be really cool, though, if they were like, we looked into this and found that most of their addresses were in the sewer, and then they go down there and there's a bunch of more 180-year-old pale people with white eyes.
00:25:57.000They're in that mine that Elon's talking about.
00:26:00.000So this might be a bit of an aside, but one of the things that I hear a lot of people criticizing Doge about is they're doing these audits, and there are a lot of people in government that say, Oh, these audits are done every year.
00:26:13.000These numbers are produced every year and anyone can look them up and anyone can see them and stuff.
00:26:20.000And it's like, okay, so why is it acceptable that this waste continues to go on?
00:26:30.000And if it was known, why is it that no one's done anything about it?
00:26:34.000I mean, if it's such an obvious, simple thing and Musk doesn't need to do this because it's audited and these numbers are produced and they're public knowledge and stuff, well then why is it that nobody in the whole effing government, how come no one said, hey?
00:27:49.000I agree with you, but it does speak to that exact fact that not only does no one do anything about it, but when there's someone doing something about it, they think it's a defense to say, we knew about this.
00:28:03.000What are you talking about you knew about this?
00:30:22.000How are we going to know what to put boosters in ourselves?
00:30:24.000It is wild that I think all of this fraud stuff in Doge proves there's a zombie cult, and then there's regular sane normal people.
00:30:34.000The Democratic Party is largely zombie cultists because you have—we'll get into it in a little bit, but you had that woman on CBS say, Hitler weaponized free speech to do a genocide.
00:30:57.000And it's funny because after they spent like...
00:31:00.000Two and a half weeks calling Elon Musk a Nazi because he went like this, and I'm going to be called a Nazi for doing that, and I'm an orthodox gentleman.
00:31:07.000It's okay, though, it's your left arm.
00:31:09.000So, the issue was, these are people who claim that conservatives want to ban books from schools, just like the Nazis burned books.
00:31:18.000But also the Nazis were in favor of free speech at the same time.
00:31:21.000It's like, look, you don't need that example because y'all have been watching the show and you get it already.
00:31:26.000But not a day goes by we don't get another psychotic example of they will say whatever they literally have to say to fit in with the opposite.
00:33:56.000Accus your enemy, that is what you are doing or something?
00:34:01.000It's something that most people should understand.
00:34:03.000When they're calling you a Nazi, it's because they're trying to exercise power over you.
00:34:08.000It's not that they believe that you're actually a Nazi.
00:34:11.000And if someone's calling you a Nazi, when you're clearly doing something that is not Nazi-like, like endorsing free speech, it's because they're a commie.
00:34:21.000I wrote a column like a year ago, no, like seven years ago, and the headline was, maybe it's time to befriend neo-Nazis.
00:34:28.000And the whole point of the column was basically, you turn people away from hate by embracing them and treating them as human beings and showing them your own humanity.
00:34:36.000But the headline is kind of clickbait, and I have had that headline screenshot and thrown at me literally 10,000 times.
00:34:44.000I'm an Orthodox Jew, and I have been called a Nazi more times than I can possibly do.
00:35:17.000I'm glad to see that everyone's safe and okay.
00:35:19.000Of course, these are always quite horrifying.
00:35:22.000However, the story is now basically they're blaming Elon Musk and Donald Trump, despite the fact this was in Canada, over DEI and firings at the FAA. We have this from the AP. Trump begins firings of FAA staff just weeks after fatal D.C. plane crash.
00:35:51.000Basically where they're saying, despite the fact this was in Canada, we really got to call out Trump and Elon over the firing of the FAA because this is their fault.
00:36:01.000All last year, prominent conservative voices were warning with all the DEI pushes, and not even this, like two years ago.
00:36:09.000Charlie Kirk got attacked by Democrats because he said...
00:36:11.000Something to the effect of, you know, like when he goes into a plane, the last thing he wants to be worrying about is the race of the pilot.
00:36:16.000And he's like, and then you notice that you've got two black pilots, and you're wondering, did they hire the best people, or did they hire people just based on their race?
00:36:23.000They said, oh, how racist of you for saying that, how dare you?
00:36:26.000And Charlie's point was, he doesn't want race to be the predicate for his feelings on the pilots, but he knows these companies are using race as the criteria instead of capability of flying a plane.
00:36:42.000It's been almost close to a month now.
00:36:45.000And Democrats are coming out saying, aha, it's Trump's fault all of these plane crises are happening because he's trying to get rid of DEI. I'm going to blame Trudeau.
00:37:40.000I think it actually makes the argument for Doge and makes the argument for firings and revamping of the FAA because they knew that this was only a matter of time in D.C. Obviously, we don't know what happened here, but it's time.
00:37:52.000It's like before it's too late and before more innocent people die.
00:37:56.000They're saying that Trump and Elon going into the FAA and firing people is what's causing this?
00:38:01.000Because these people don't understand long-term change.
00:38:05.000Democrats are based on short-term gratification.
00:38:25.000So we saw that there was, with the D.C. plane crash, they had been complaining for years about flying helicopters in a landing path.
00:38:33.000That's not anything Trump was doing during the Biden administration.
00:38:36.000There is something that we've been talking about for at least...
00:38:40.000You know, year and a half or so on the show, and it's a crisis of competence.
00:38:44.000We've been saying this is going to happen, that there's going to be problems because you cannot help but have people that are not as qualified as necessary filling these jobs when you make the criteria anything other than who is the most qualified.
00:39:05.000Jobs like being an air traffic controller, they're hard.
00:39:11.000And the idea that the left has that anyone can do these things, that people are just cogs in a machine and you can replace one cog with another and there will be no negative results.
00:39:29.000And the results that you get from that are deaths.
00:39:33.000When you have people that are unqualified to do things like being an air traffic controller or design bridges or any number of engineering things, any number of real-world things, be a firefighter.
00:39:50.000These kind of things take people that are not just qualified, but capable of doing them.
00:39:55.000And if you don't have some form of testing to make sure that the people that you're hiring actually can do the job, or if you put any other criteria above their ability when it comes to deciding who is hired, you end up with dead people.
00:40:43.000The people observing the sensors for the burning wheels weren't working right.
00:40:46.000And then when the train did derail, the people that showed up didn't have to blow it up.
00:40:51.000They just thought they should blow it up.
00:40:52.000And that literally destroyed that town.
00:40:55.000So I think they're cutting corners plus incompetence, and that's how we're getting all these good bodies.
00:41:00.000We actually satirized it on Cast Castle.
00:41:04.000The gag we had was Chris and Chuck were trying to move a barrel of vinyl chloride, and then they accidentally spill it, and then Chris is like, oh crap, we're going to get in so much trouble.
00:41:41.000I mean, the 60 Minutes piece, was it yesterday?
00:41:45.000I mean, it was funny because they portrayed these people as USAID employees, but actually they were like political appointees who were going to lose their job regardless.
00:41:54.000All of these people think that they deserve jobs.
00:41:57.000I mean, that's the problem with our entire school districts.
00:42:02.000I don't think it's as much the indoctrination as just total incompetence.
00:42:06.000And I'm wondering now, fast forward a year and a half from now, when all of these incompetent people lose their jobs, what are we going to do with them?
00:42:14.000There's a lot of really stupid people.
00:42:16.000Have you guys ever seen the plane crash test video, which breaks down the safest place of a plane to be in?
00:43:58.000I mean, I do think that there is a significant possibility that there could be really, really great things that come from all the changes at the...
00:44:13.000At these vital institutions like the FAA. But I do think that it's not going to happen fast.
00:44:23.000And the crisis of competence that we have been warning about, we're seeing now.
00:44:29.000The reason that I think that we haven't seen more tragedies when it comes to air travel is because flying is just that safe.
00:44:38.000If I understand correctly, there are redundancies on redundancies, and when there's an accident, it's multiple people make a mistake.
00:45:43.000I was talking to my friend, and she said that a lot of these direct flights that are scheduled out of DCA are because senators are lobbying DCA to have direct flights back to their home district.
00:45:53.000And so it's like an artificially actually very unsafe area.
00:45:59.000But I looked at the history of near misses at DCA, and DCA is a uniquely terribly unsafe.
00:46:17.000Elon Musk has come around to his boss's way of thinking, trashing CBS 60 Minutes, saying the team behind the program deserves to be jailed.
00:46:23.000Musk's dander was up after the long-running news magazine shared a promotion of their segment on the proposed slashing of federal funding for USAID.
00:46:29.000Reporter Scott Pelley began the segment wondering how serious President Donald Trump is in defiance of the Constitution.
00:46:36.000In a later clip, a Republican former administrator of the aid agency, you see how they play that game, denied Musk's claim of widespread waste.
00:46:45.00060 Minutes are the biggest liars in the world.
00:46:47.000They engaged in deliberate deception to interfere with the last election, he wrote.
00:46:54.000Now, the fascinating thing is, in this 60 Minutes show, they interviewed a woman, and actually, I should pull this tweet up, where they used presumptive language to make you believe she worked for USAID. They said this woman got fired in the recent chaos around USAID, when, in fact, she worked for, according to reports, I believe this was Mario Knopfel reporting, they actually...
00:47:30.000But I'll just pull up the tweet instead of having my own voice play.
00:47:35.000So Mario Knopfel tweeted, 60 Minutes claimed Christina Dry was fired this month in the chaotic shutdown of USAID. What they didn't tell you, Christina wasn't a USAID employee.
00:47:44.000She worked for XLA and Jefferson Partners.
00:47:50.000Well, Mario, I'd go as far to say it's an outright lie.
00:48:01.000I think it's funny because they did that to portray her as the victim of Doge and everything, but it actually, in my Twitter circles, and obviously I live in a bubble, but it really infuriated people because it's like, oh, welcome to the real world and where you don't have total job security.
00:48:23.000And I think about, like, the cheerleading that all of these leftists did during COVID about locking the government down for two straight freaking years.
00:48:32.000And then all of a sudden, like, people need their jobs.
00:48:36.000Like, where were you in 2020 and 2021 talking about livelihood?
00:48:56.000They had no idea that the average person looks at the bureaucracy with complete contempt.
00:49:03.000Only the most committed politicos and democrat operatives and activists defend these people.
00:49:14.000Every other normal, right-thinking person hates the bureaucracy because they know that they're millionaires because they work for the government, even though they should only be making like $150,000 a year.
00:49:29.000If you look at the property values around Washington, D.C., it's bonkers.
00:49:54.000We were just talking about DCA, and I tend to go out that way a lot.
00:49:58.000And if you go from here to DCA and you go straight through Langley, go right by CIA, there are some of the most palatial and opulent homes that I have ever seen in my life.
00:50:30.000Like, literally just, they look like palatial, they look like something you would imagine that royalty in England would be, some lord or lady would be living in.
00:50:43.000There's a Twitter account that I've been, like...
00:50:46.000Guilt following for the last couple days of all these houses that are going up for sale in the D.C. area and he's linking the house to the individual who owns it and just says their job.
00:51:21.000The Hunger Games series is a bit childish.
00:51:23.000No disrespect, but it's not meant to be the most sophisticated.
00:51:26.000But it's fascinating how the metaphor, the direct storyline is, there's all these districts, and they're from very poor to very rich, and the capital does nothing.
00:51:37.000They literally just control everything and keep the district suppressed and enslave the main character's district to do coal mining or whatever.
00:52:30.000We'll get more in-depth on it in a bit, though.
00:52:33.000The core of our story now was that the media is still desperately trying to lie, and that's what 60 Minutes is doing, because the corporate press is an instrument of the establishment.
00:52:43.000At this point, you know, someone super chatted that the Trump era follows Star Wars perfectly.
00:52:49.000You know, Trump, a new hope Biden, the empire strikes back.
00:52:53.000And now we're in the return of the orange man.
00:52:56.000What comes next would be like the force awakens, I guess.
00:53:13.000Where Star Wars goes after Return of the Jedi is the remnants of the Empire form the First Order, which is this militant stateless entity that is still trying to regain control of the governments.
00:53:59.000And I think that as long as they are having this...
00:54:04.000War in the Democrat Party, which they're going to have for a while because it's not clear what the Democrats are going to do.
00:54:11.000Are the Democrats going to coalesce around the extreme far left who has been setting the tone for not just the Democrats but for the whole country for the past 10 years?
00:54:23.000As long as there has been a demand for you to call a trans woman she, as opposed to saying he, as long as that has been a demand that people have had to actually comply with, that's how long the crazy far left has been in charge.
00:54:43.000And totally in charge of the Democrat Party.
00:54:45.000There are people in the Democrat Party that have now come out and said, this will continue to make us lose.
00:54:52.000Because the average person does not believe this, they do not agree, and they've started to say, we reject this.
00:55:02.000And as long as the average person, again, the not left, it doesn't have to be the right, it's just the not left, as long as you're trying to make the normal people that want to be left alone, as long as you're saying, you have to call a trans woman she?
00:55:54.000That's absolutely true, and yet there are trans women that call themselves lesbians that say, oh, if you reject me, you're a bigot.
00:56:05.000Straight men do not want penises, and there are trans women that say, if you will not date me, you're a bigot.
00:56:13.000Those people have been in control of the narrative, and as long as they're in control of the narrative, the Democrats are not going to be able to convince the average person.
01:00:35.000I wouldn't consider myself a conservative, but certainly by today's standards, we are all as conservative as this country is on average, I suppose, because the far left is the antithesis of whatever America is.
01:00:44.000I wonder if Jess has like a J-Sweet Charlie Hebdo post from 10 years ago, you know, because these Germans, the way they're talking, it's like a state-sanctioned approval of the attack on Charlie Hebdo, not to the violent degree, but they're so against offensive speech that they're willing to ruin your life.
01:01:01.000Well, not only ruin your life, I mean they're willing to destroy their society.
01:01:06.000Mark Anderson on Joe Rogan was really chilling about why he ended up supporting Donald Trump, because he basically said, he was like, this was the election to save democracy.
01:01:17.000And it was funny, one of my favorite anecdotes from election night was in Pennsylvania, they were doing exit polling of people who, and they asked, you know, why did you vote the way you did?
01:01:28.000And they didn't say who they voted for, but the people who said...
01:01:33.000All the Democrats that I follow on Twitter were like, yes, yes!
01:01:37.000And then the exit poll, all the crosstabs came out, and the people who voted to save democracy voted for Donald Trump.
01:01:43.000Yeah, I mean, it was very clear to anyone that was, again, not ideologically captured by the left.
01:01:52.000People that were just normal, that were politically marginally engaged.
01:01:58.000That the things that the Democrats want were completely antithetical to anything that you would consider liberal, right?
01:02:07.000So there's the colloquial liberalism that we call, that we use in the United States, which Rush Limbaugh ruined that word in the 90s, and it's confusing and a pain in the butt.
01:02:17.000But the progressives in the United States have destroyed liberalism, and their...
01:02:26.000They're no friend to liberal policies and by liberal I mean liberal in the classical sense.
01:02:34.000They're no friend to free speech, clearly.
01:02:36.000The freedom of speech is not something that they care about.
01:02:38.000They obviously have, if they don't care about the freedom of speech, they definitely don't care about property rights.
01:02:45.000And so property rights is something that I harp on because property rights are literally the foundation of your society.
01:02:50.000If you do not have a government that protects property rights, then you don't have investment and you have a failed economy and you are just months away from famine and starvation.
01:03:01.000The Democrats, before I left New York, the state.
01:03:03.000Democrats were trying to pass a bill where they could take you out of your house, remove you if you are a health threat.
01:03:10.000It didn't pass, and they've been trying to pass it for years.
01:03:13.000That was crazy because people didn't believe it was real.
01:03:15.000There was a state law in New York that said that if you were at risk of infection, they could take you from your home by force and put you in an institution.
01:03:22.000And it was so crazy that it sounded like it was fake.
01:03:25.000And then it was like, actually, they've been trying to do that for a while.
01:03:40.000And it was, like, basically just a master class, and, like, this is what...
01:03:45.000Normal civilization believes in, and this is the future of how we survive as a civilization, not just as a country.
01:03:51.000I had a reporter come to my house a couple months ago from Germany, from one of these big German magazines, because she wanted to interview homeschool moms.
01:04:00.000I homeschool my kids, and I have six of them, so I'm already the super weirdo for her.
01:04:04.000And she just could not wrap her brain around it.
01:04:07.000She's like, but how is this legal to have the freedom to do what you want?
01:04:22.000I'd be like, what I would literally say to a person who said that to me, I'd say, well, I suppose as a Nazi, you probably don't understand the freedoms we have in this country and why we fought you guys.
01:04:32.000And you'd be like, oh, I'm not a Nazi.
01:04:33.000And be like, then I would act equally as stupid and confused.
01:04:36.000But you don't believe in freedom, just like the Nazis.
01:04:38.000And you think the government should control everything, just like the Nazis.
01:07:04.000I mean, do we want to make Pop-Tarts illegal?
01:07:09.000Or, I don't think anybody wants to make Pop-Tarts illegal.
01:07:11.000We just want people to be better informed, and there's certain things that shouldn't be in them.
01:07:15.000But there's a question there of, do we go the Bloomberg route where he said, poor people are too stupid, so we should decide for them what to eat?
01:07:23.000Or do we just say, if you want to have a liter of cola and a quadruple Big Mac, do whatever you want?
01:07:28.000The problem then is people just gorge themselves until they die and then demand free healthcare.
01:08:03.000And it's frustrating, actually, as a parent, because they throttle formula so that the only good formula that you can get for a baby is from Europe, and they don't allow you to import it.
01:09:41.000It was crazy to me when that happened, because I did not know this, where it was just like, yeah, some moms don't have milk, so they need formula, and I'm like, they need a chemical concoction of nutrient-dense sludge to give the baby?
01:09:55.000How did humans survive for hundreds of thousands of years?
01:09:58.000When my grandma gave birth to my mom in the late 50s, a doctor went around the hospital and gave every woman a pill to dry up their milk.
01:11:00.000Let me tell you, he makes Joe Biden look like a baby kitten.
01:11:06.000Well, I mean, maybe that's his old age and his inability to walk or open his eyes.
01:11:09.000But David Hogg gets in the DNC as vice chair.
01:11:13.000First thing he does is he goes to their DNC contact list and sends all of those people a request for money for himself personally, for his personal political action.
01:12:04.000We see this little dinghy jump on, and we're like, perhaps they'll begin repairs.
01:12:08.000So we start telling all of our troops, get ready, because in 18 months, we are going to have a midterm battle, your life, and then we look over, and the ship with David Hogg is just looting everything.
01:12:18.000And we're like, wait, the fires aren't being put out.
01:12:35.000I feel bad for Cameron Caskey because he's been all right.
01:12:40.000You know, he's another one of these kids who came out of the apartment thing.
01:12:44.000He says, quote, I mean, it's just very frustrating to be in a party in desperate need of increased accountability for our struggling leadership and watch someone who has never held accountable ascend to leadership.
01:12:54.000And also, can I just be petty for a moment?
01:13:10.000Well, no, I believe he was there early and left.
01:13:13.000He was not there when the actual shooting was.
01:13:17.000I believe, I could be wrong, maybe you're right, but my understanding was he was nowhere near where the shooting took place, but he was at school.
01:13:26.000He went home, and then when he heard that the press was doing interviews, he jumped on his bike and rode as fast as he could to the school to give interviews.
01:14:36.000The Koch brothers had been incubating him for some time, ready to unleash him as a sleeper agent against the DNC. Took all the worst things about Beto and put into one person.
01:19:09.000So in 1999, leftists staged a massive protest in Seattle to protest against free trade in the World Trade Organization.
01:19:21.000Come 16 years later, Donald Trump representing much of these same ideas was considered far-right and lambasted by many of the veterans of the WTO protests.
01:19:30.000Noah Rothman, my husband works for Commentary Magazine, and Noah Rothman just wrote, like, it was basically a book in Commentary Magazine, but he wrote about sort of the basis of all of these left-wing violence movements, and he, this was...
01:20:38.000What then happened that converted people from left to right?
01:20:42.000Well, I think that the media used to lean to the left, and I think that the media became staunchly the mouthpiece for the left, and I think that a large...
01:20:54.000After the end of Smith modernization, what year was that?
01:21:13.000We know for a fact that the CIA intelligence agencies had long infiltrated the media.
01:21:17.000I can tell you for a fact that in 2013, State Department had been calling news organizations and well before I worked for some of these companies.
01:21:30.000I learned from executives at some companies that they had long been in communication with the State Department as to what stories they were covering, what they were learning, and how they could assist the U.S. government in this regard.
01:21:39.000People like to say, Obama made propaganda legal.
01:22:38.000There is still no evidence the U.S. government, after the change of this law, took action to make those changes.
01:22:43.000There may be no hard evidence, but I think that the evidence is the way that all of the news agencies coalesced around the left.
01:22:51.000There is hard evidence that news agencies coalesced around the left when Facebook, X, and other platforms started shifting their algorithm to promote hate because liberal women share more hateful content than any other demographic.
01:23:03.000That happened in 2007, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. Even on MSNBC, like I said, I used to watch MSNBC all the time.
01:23:11.000And so, again, the point is, I hear this cited all the time.
01:23:16.000The Smith Modernization Act, they changed it.
01:23:19.000This allowed Voice of America and other American media outlets that operated externally to now broadcast those same websites and radio shows internally as well.
01:23:49.000We sell a T-shirt on the Tim Castor from almost 10 years ago, which has the—it's the Illuminati Pyramid toppled with the slogan of the U.S. Office of Censorship on the bottom but flipped over.
01:24:03.000This is World War II. After that, we had intelligence infiltration into the media to determine what people could be talking about and whatnot.
01:24:11.000That was always in play and it never changed.
01:24:17.000My argument is that the government has always used intelligence agencies to control journalism in this country to be pro-machine, pro-establishment.
01:25:17.000We don't have it pulled up, but the story was, I think, 10 years ago.
01:25:22.000There was a journalist who was caught with a bunch of fake articles, and the CIA had written articles for him and published them under his byline.
01:25:30.000That was like a huge story that came out.
01:25:33.000My point is, when we're asking how it is, If you want to make the argument that powerful global interests, governments or otherwise, were trying to influence the public, the easy answer is they went to Facebook and said, you will alter the algorithm for content delivery to promote these ideas.
01:25:52.000I believe that's probably true, but I can tell you for a fact.
01:25:56.000We know, as I have done, I work in this industry, liberal women share the most content on social media, and the content they share most is things that induce rage.
01:26:07.000This was well known at the onset of social media.
01:26:11.000And so in the early days of Facebook, they were trying to figure out how to keep people on the platform longer.
01:26:17.000So they wanted to promote content that was more likely to get shared.
01:26:20.000So this created, it's a parabolic curve of sharing.
01:26:24.000The more shares it gets, the more likely the algorithm will display it, meaning it'll get exponentially more shares, and that's how you get the virality of Facebook.
01:26:34.000They began to prioritize whatever it is and whether it was intentional or otherwise.
01:26:39.000Facebook just said, if it gets a lot of shares, show it to more people, it'll keep them on the platform longer.
01:26:44.000It'll generate more activity, more engagement.
01:26:46.000The concern was, around the time that people started liking and friending at least 300 people, the reverse chronological feed was moving much too quickly for them to see anything relevant.
01:26:56.000So if they refreshed the page, they'd get a guy saying, you know, my car won't start.
01:27:21.000Huffington Post, Mike.com, all of these websites started shifting their strategy towards content that was more likely to get shared, and the content that's most likely to get shared is anything that targets angry liberal women.
01:27:33.000So the example I love to cite is Mike.com in the early 2010s was a Ron Paul libertarian freedom-loving website because that was the Ron Paul revolution on social media.
01:27:42.000Everybody was sharing this stuff, but it didn't share better than things that make liberal women angry.
01:27:48.000And so what happens is, You get two writers for one website.
01:27:53.000One guy writes, Ron Paul's great, Freedom and the Fed.
01:28:10.000Hence, if you look at Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones back then, they had a ton of videos about police brutality because it was in line with anti-government freedom stuff.
01:28:18.000These are agents of the government beating people.
01:28:52.000When you write about racist police brutality, you didn't get X plus Y views.
01:28:58.000You got X times Y views because the parabolic growth curve of the algorithm, the more shares it got, the more suggestions that were made, the more shares it would get.
01:29:06.000Then you can see in the LexisNexis data, as soon as this was implemented, Every newspaper skyrocketed with mentions of systemic racism, white privilege, etc.
01:29:15.000Angry liberal women share more than anybody else.
01:29:17.000So in 2014, when I joined Fusion, I talked to their marketing guy and he outright said, when we make content, we know that we're going to get more shares and more views and make more money if we make it targeting angry liberal women.
01:29:30.000And I said, but then all your content is going to be like...
01:29:34.000And they were like, well, we try to balance it out for the website after they come.
01:29:37.000And so this is what started to shift what was acceptable.
01:29:41.000Advertisers didn't want to be associated with what they thought was socially unacceptable.
01:29:45.000But the only articles that were coming out were racism, racism, racism.
01:29:50.000Ultimately exemplified itself so well in a viral article, I think it was from Vice, and it was like, black trans women of color fighting against police brutality exemplify the end of cis-heteronormative patriarchy.
01:30:01.000They tried jamming every single buzzword into one article because Facebook was going to blast it off and they're going to make a ton of money.
01:30:08.000And then along came Mark Zuckerberg, who said, we're banning politics.
01:30:31.000But it's because the corporate press was largely just following venture capital funding and what was easiest – So when NBC was looking for content, they said, look, we're an urban liberal market.
01:31:24.000I mean, bro, if you turned on the TV and every channel was about police brutality and beating of black people, You, in your mind, would be like, man, it never ends.
01:31:35.000But the reality was Facebook was forcing that down your throat.
01:31:38.000So it shaped the minds of all of these young people.
01:31:42.000They live in this fractured reality, and that's what they believe.
01:31:45.000For sites like The Daily Wire, they struggled against Jack Dorsey being the best example of how he hooked the sewage pipe of his own company into his mouth and drank it and guzzled it and gargled it and loved it.
01:31:57.000The free speech wing of the free speech party, twitter.com.
01:32:01.000When his own algorithmic trend started promoting this psychotic garbage, he hooked it right into his brain and consumed it and adopted that worldview and then banned free speech.
01:32:11.000He ate the refuse of the psychotic algorithm he built.
01:32:15.000So my argument for AI and where we're going is that...
01:32:19.000In the next 50 years, everyone's going to be dressed.
01:33:14.000If you ask a robot, I would like food, and it offered you on the spot while you were hungry, apple pie, ice cream, or broccoli salad, people are going to be like, I'll take the ice cream.
01:33:27.000The AI doesn't care about what we need or want.
01:33:30.000It simply says, human positive reaction ice cream.
01:33:32.000And it's going to chase after those things until our brains turn to jello.
01:33:36.000That's basically what happened in the early era of social media.
01:33:39.000Long story short, that's why I don't think...
01:33:41.000The government just decided one day to turn on propaganda and tell all the corporate press is what they're going to do, mostly because they already had been doing that.
01:33:48.000But now here we are on the back end of it.
01:36:21.000I honestly think it's really silly and weird.
01:36:24.000Because they do a three chemical injection and then they have like all of these convoluted means of just like you could deoxygenate the room.
01:36:34.000I mean like I don't understand why it has to be so convoluted.
01:36:37.000For one, I oppose the death penalty because I don't trust the state.
01:37:43.000I know conservatives are going to disagree with me on this one.
01:37:45.000I have no problem with Elon Musk developing Neuralink and us going to our liberal friends and saying, I will pay for the Neuralink for you.
01:37:57.000You will be a wizard king who fights dragons every day.
01:38:18.000The point is, liberals want, many of them, not all of them, but enough of them, would gladly plug in their brains to the Matrix, where they get to be the president, the king, a superhero, and then they can leave the earth and all of its beauty to us to maintain, and I am okay with that deal.
01:38:39.000Conservatives will absolutely reject the Neuralink.
01:38:42.000They will continue to raise families and be good stewards of the earth, and the liberals will be like, you guys are dumb.
01:38:48.000Plug their brains in, go in the pod, and we don't have to worry about them voting and destroying everything anymore.
01:38:52.000I'm starting to think there's probably conservatives who will do the Neuralink.
01:38:56.000And they're so anti-trans now, but they'll be transhumanists in like 10 years.
01:39:03.000I mean, basically everybody made, like I think Seamus made it, is that in 50 years, the Democrats are, it's going to be an AI, and the Republicans are transgender communists.
01:39:14.000And then they're like, we don't want the AI. Okay, we got to go to Super Chats.
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01:41:46.000And then as the story ruminated, as I've loved using that word as of late, over the weekend, and then today with more information dropping, and it looks more so like there's actually a bigger scandal here, I think there's a cultural question about what the right is willing to accept, and hashing that out, I think, was important.
01:42:05.000And I'm like, man, this story's popping up like crazy.
01:42:40.000So you don't have to be anti-single mom because we have a wonderful vice president thanks to, well, not really thanks to his single mom, really thanks to his grandmother.
01:42:48.000But we need to make a decision as a society.
01:42:53.000Like, how are we going to save ourselves?
01:42:56.000You know, we did a culture war episode with Candace Horbach and Myron Gaines, and it was about adult content and society and what it was doing.
01:43:05.000And of course, relationships and marriage were a big component of this.
01:43:08.000And Myron was saying, don't get married because, you know, with the state, because it's broken and it's bad for you.
01:43:14.000But he did say having a kid out of wedlock is an L, and I respect that.
01:43:17.000The problem is then, though, like, so, well, you can't get married.
01:43:22.000I think the issue is there are a lot of these guys out there.
01:43:26.000That are like, men shouldn't get married, and men should sleep around, and men should have babies with as many women as possible, because that's what an alpha would do.
01:43:32.000And I'm like, no, that's what a chimp does.
01:43:55.000It really does not get better than that.
01:43:58.000I just think ultimately, you know, another thing that Myron pointed out was that men shouldn't cry in front of their women.
01:44:04.000And I was like, you know, in my view, a man who is worried about how he appears in front of women is weaker than a man who doesn't care at all.
01:44:13.000And I'm like, like, obviously, we can all agree that if a man is weeping.
01:46:31.000A man who is going to raise a family, as families are required to raise strong human beings, needs to be married and raise that family and be there for their children.
01:46:40.000And then these guys come out and they say, yeah, but what if she divorces you?
01:46:43.000I'll be like, and what if an eye beam crushes my skull when I run into a burning building?
01:47:44.000And so when he came out, the first thing, he runs towards his wife and they had shot him in the shoulder and so he can't lift one of his arms.
01:50:18.000All right, Jason Dutton says, reporter Steve Bannon recently released data on how the Army pulled $225 million of soldiers' basic allowances for subsistence across numerous Army bases, and $151 million of those dollars were used to not fund dining facilities as per law.
01:51:20.000I'm saying if a guy who looked like Elon messaged him online, brought her to a fancy restaurant, spent a grand on a luxury suite, said, I'm Elon, I'm going to take care of you.
01:52:42.000Let me just ask you this, because you're going to get mad at me, but what do you call the state of a country when two political parties have begun calling for the arrest of each other, and when the governors begin trying to remove politicians who are in support of one faction?
01:53:08.000As Matt Taibbi pointed out, what is it now, six years ago, you get to the point where two cars drive full speed to a police station, two men jump out, a man jumps out of each car, they run up to the front of the police station, look at the chief and say, arrest that man at the same time.
01:53:23.000That's the point when nations fall into civil war.
01:53:27.000Imagine if Democrats actually, they don't have the power to do so, but at the state level, they tried imprisoning Donald Trump.
01:53:34.000If Hochul does try to remove Eric Adams because he's allowing ICE to enforce immigration law, so she tries to remove a duly elected leader in a city, I mean, we are at chaos levels of breakdown.
01:53:53.000I think that the fact that this is something that they entertain speaks to the...
01:54:00.000I mean, we just spent four years where Donald Trump was attacked relentlessly using the justice system, using the courts with absolutely fabricated charges.
01:54:14.000The whole situation with Mar-a-Lago, the real estate deal, that was absolutely...
01:54:27.000The situation with the, whatever, 34 counts that were felonies or whatever, those were all misdemeanors because there's no underlying crime to raise them to the level of felonies.
01:54:40.000All of the stuff that they were talking about when it came to secret documents at Mar-a-Lago, all of the presidents that are—all the former presidents that are currently alive have had—have secret documents at their homes.
01:54:51.000That's what won Donald Trump My Vote was all that stuff.
01:54:55.000I mean, I was one of those voters in Pennsylvania who was like, why are you voting for Donald Trump?
01:55:03.000All right, Lior Engelstein says, years ago I was on welfare and got a good job.
01:55:07.000My caseworker looked at me like I grew a third eye and told me if I report my new earnings, I will lose all my benefits and tried to push me to quit my new well-paying career.
01:55:31.000I ended up winning a suit against them.
01:55:32.000But in the meantime, I got unemployment.
01:55:34.000And I remember when I was on the phone, because you got a call once a week, and also in the middle of litigation over illegal termination, or like wrongful termination, and they said...
01:55:46.000It was this woman, and they asked you questions like, are you actively looking for work?
01:56:09.000She said, if you accept a lower paying job and you can't maintain your standard and your rent and your income, you're gonna be on unemployment again.
01:56:16.000So just take it easy, take the benefits, and wait until you find a job that pays you what you were getting paid before.
01:56:27.000And then I won my settlement and I got off it and said I don't need this anymore.
01:56:31.000But it's an interesting logic that I think keeps a lot of people on unemployment and stops them from actively trying to find a situation that will better themselves.
01:56:39.000If you're a guy who's got three kids, and they're paying you 67% of what your last year's income was, and then someone offers you a job at half that rate, which would reduce your income, you'll end up homeless with three kids living on the street.
01:56:59.000That's one of the big problems with our...
01:57:02.000Like, our safety net system, is it doesn't really incentivize people to get off of it, and it doesn't make it easy to get off of it either.
01:57:11.000I think what they should do is, instead of just ending your unemployment benefits, it should slowly start decreasing.
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