On today's show, the boys discuss the ongoing government shutdown, the latest in the Elon Musk vs. Trump feud, and the latest conspiracy theory about bird flu and the Israeli flag. Plus, a special guest joins the show to talk about the Hebraic flag.
00:00:00.000With the government shutdown looming, as it always does around the exact same time, and then Congress says, oh, no, we don't have any time to actually do our jobs,
00:00:28.000So we're going to have to leave for Christmas and just put forward a continuing resolution.
00:00:33.000Trump and Elon Musk have basically said they will primary any Republican who supports this bill, voting yes, because it is full of pork and bloat and garbage.
00:00:42.000But I gotta say, one of my favorite, favorite pieces of this that's gone viral Is that they're going to eliminate the word offender in legal proceedings and change it to justice-involved person.
00:00:54.000Because you're a justice-involved person when you punch an old lady in the face on a train and threaten to kill them.
00:00:59.000That's what they're focused on, but there's also $60 billion for Ukraine.
00:01:02.000And just in general, there's a massive, massive amount of random garbage that makes no sense.
00:01:08.000Some criticism is that there seems to be a provision that would actually protect the House from investigations.
00:01:13.000So if Kash Patel or Pam Bondi wanted to, say, subpoena some House data into the J6 subcommittee issues, they would be blocked by this in this continuing resolution, though it would only be temporary.
00:01:24.000Still, so it may be DOA with Trump basically saying he is going to primary any Republican who supports it.
00:01:32.000It seems like X has had a tremendous amount of pressure on Trump's choices.
00:02:29.000And you can get a skateboard that has a picture of a bear wearing a hat, wearing a flannel, and holding a shotgun.
00:02:35.000If you believe that bears should be wearing flannel shirts and holding shotguns too, then the right to arm bears is the skateboard for you.
00:05:17.000From CNBC, Trump joins Elon Musk in opposing House GOP's government funding bill.
00:05:23.000President-elect Donald Trump opposes a government funding bill backed by Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson.
00:05:28.000Trump's stance aligns Elon Musk, who railed against the proposed continuing resolution.
00:05:33.000We actually have a statement from Donald Trump right here on Truth Social.
00:05:36.000He said, If Republicans try to pass a clean, continuing resolution without all of the Democrat bells and whistles that will be so destructive to our country, all it will do after January 20th is bring the mess of the debt limit into the Trump administration rather than allowing it to take place in the Biden administration.
00:05:52.000Any Republican that would be so stupid as to do this should and will be primaried.
00:05:57.000Everything should be done and fully negotiated prior to my taking office on January 20th, 2025. Elon Musk, of course, said something similar.
00:06:04.000Anyone who votes for the spending deal should lose their reelection.
00:06:08.000Yeah, I mean, let's take a look at some of what's in here.
00:06:28.000It says Section 338 of the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act is amended in the heading by striking offender and inserting justice-involved individual.
00:06:38.000And in the matter preceding subparagraph...
00:06:40.000The irony being that that's a person who is actually conducting himself in an unjust way.
00:07:01.000It's like the George Carlin bit, where he's like, we keep making words into phrases, making them longer and longer because we're trying not to offend people, and all we're doing is making it more confusing.
00:07:11.000Well, I think this is based, and I think the bigger picture here is that Trump has made several moves that have been not so good.
00:07:18.000Chad Chronister, he was the sheriff who arrested a pastor during lockdown because he was trying to host services, and Trump overtly said, he said, I pushed him out because I didn't like what he had done.
00:07:37.000But when you had the midterms with Matt Gaetz and he was fighting Kevin McCarthy and he was saying, we want single issue spending bills, they basically said, screw you.
00:07:45.000Now that Trump is back in the kitchen, all of these people are starting to fall in line knowing this will be the end of their career if they defy not just Trump, but basically the richest guy in the world and the popular mandate.
00:08:31.000Do you guys feel like this is a positive or a negative?
00:08:34.000It's my sense that this is what happens regardless of whether or not the public knows about it.
00:08:42.000And the fact that Musk is putting this stuff on X for anyone that wants to go ahead and look and comment and have an opinion about, it's open for discussion.
00:08:59.000And so I don't know, aside from people being like, well, you know, he wasn't elected, which fair enough, he wasn't, but he's just doing the same kind of activism that anyone else could do.
00:09:08.000It's just that because he's Elon Musk, he gets a lot of attention.
00:09:11.000If Tim does the same thing, he'll get a certain level of response and he'll be able to generate a certain amount of political activity just by saying, we need to oppose this, blah, blah, blah.
00:09:20.000Why would it be wrong that Musk does it?
00:09:22.000And so what are your thoughts on I think Elon Musk's bully pulpit is a little bit more potent than Tim's because he's the CEO of Twitter.
00:09:30.000Not only that, his threats mean a lot more than a threat from Tim Pool.
00:09:35.000Tim Pool says, oh, I'm going to support a primary child.
00:10:27.000You know, what are the two big disadvantages, conservatives and Republicans, and to the extent that that Venn diagram has a very large intersection and great, have had in messaging and in political pressure? have had in messaging and in political pressure?
00:10:46.000It has been the fact that the organs of information have been in the hands of adversaries.
00:10:55.000Now you have someone who is pretty conservative, who is utilizing the crowdsource nature, the really—I don't want to overstate the case because we were talking about— The mysteries of monetization on X before we went on.
00:11:20.000It's not quite a truly democratic, but it's as democratic and meritocratic as any source of news and information in world history.
00:12:59.000Kamala Harris when she spent a billion dollars.
00:13:01.000So as much as people like to go ahead and make hay about the fact that there's money in politics, it doesn't directly translate to victories.
00:13:12.000It does not, no matter what anyone says.
00:13:14.000And when you see that the massive amounts of money, Donald Trump has spent like three to one.
00:13:20.000So keep in mind, though, you're talking about presidential elections.
00:13:24.000And people who are nationally famous...
00:13:39.000All members of Congress do is raise money.
00:13:42.000That's their entire political existence.
00:13:45.000And if one person can step into a district and write a 7-8 figure check, or one pack, that someone who wasn't part of the political ecosystem in that district yesterday, that's a massive game changer.
00:14:50.000We put together a true public reaction to a political moment in a very short time.
00:14:58.000And by the way, one of the fascinating things that happened with this bill was that they tried the old midnight spring it on them and everyone just started dumping it into AI processors and boom!
00:15:12.000This tool, which we all agree is going to destroy our lives and our personalities and our careers, is helping save the republic a little bit because we're able to get this information from this encyclopedia-sized bill.
00:16:30.000I mean, all kinds of really subversive stuff.
00:16:33.000And by the way, the agencies are already doing this themselves.
00:16:36.000I mean, there's going to be so much unrolling that Trump is going to have to do in January, giving us perhaps reason to take another look at the lame duck period for the presidency, because, again, so much that historically depended on On a certain amount of trust and statesmanship and an understanding that there's a change of government and now it's appropriate for the next president or the next House or the next Senate to be the ones to make decisions
00:17:49.000His only option right now is going to be he can maybe wishy-washy say, look, I don't want to, but I think it should go to a vote and we should see how people decide.
00:18:08.000As an omnibus bill, there's so much stuff in it.
00:18:10.000And just to Ron's point, it is really, really, really cool that nowadays they can stuff this thing into AI, and the AI can read it and say, these are the things...
00:18:21.000This thing was probably made by AI. But the point is, you can tell an AI, hey, look for these type of things, and AI can say, okay, here, these are the things that you're going to have a problem with.
00:18:36.000And the fact that they can do that in, you know, I don't know how long it took to get it, but I figure maybe an hour.
00:18:41.000When they toss you the bill and say, we have to vote on this in the morning.
00:18:45.000And, you know, some intern can go ahead and pop it and, you know, scan it into an AI.
00:18:51.000And then the AI can say, oh, hey, these are the things that you're going to have specific to the office, actually.
00:18:58.000You can tell it which congressman or congressperson that says, these are the things that I'm concerned with.
00:19:03.000And then the AI can say, these are the things that you're going to have a problem with in this bill.
00:19:06.000And then they can say, wait a minute, these things are just beyond the pale.
00:19:10.000That's really, really, really valuable, not just to individual congresspeople, but to the American people, like to the population, because they can then have the opportunity to put things onto X, just like Musk did, and say, hey, we've got a massive problem with this particular bill.
00:19:27.000And it's going to make it so that way...
00:19:30.000Omnibus bills are less likely to be passed and hopefully that will mean that they'll stop trying to do omnibus bills.
00:19:37.000Cernovich made a great point earlier today.
00:19:38.000He said this trope that so-called government shutdowns always hurt Republicans.
00:20:12.000Meanwhile, we have ways of getting out messages, which is how this topic started out, that we didn't have when the whole world was still relying on what did the Times say and what did Dan Rather say.
00:22:44.000Ron, do they have a case against me or not?
00:22:47.000Okay, it says, this title may be cited as the Tools to Address Known Exploitation by Immobilizing Technological Deepfakes on Websites and Networks Act, or the Take It Down Act.
00:22:57.000It says, the Section 1002 Criminal Prohibition on Intentional Disclosure of Non-Consensual Intimate Visual Depictions.
00:23:04.000In general, Section 223 of the Communications Act of 1934 is amended.
00:23:09.000By redesigning subsection H and subsection I, inserting after G and following blah blah blah, intentional disclosure of non-consensual intimate visual depictions.
00:23:21.000In all seriousness, I think it's kind of cringe that people are doing this, but the idea that you can't draw a picture of somebody and share it, that they'd make that illegal, is kind of an absurdity.
00:23:31.000For argument's sake, they didn't specifically write AOC and Boebert, right?
00:23:35.000I think this is generally trying to...
00:23:36.000Yeah, he was pointing This is generally trying to avoid, I think, I've heard news stories of young people using faces of their classmates and putting them onto naked bodies of other people.
00:23:47.000And I think the idea here is to prevent stuff like that, like leaking fake nudes of your classmates or fake porn of people, I think is what they're trying to avoid in this.
00:23:58.000And moving forward, I don't think this is going to be the worst thing in the CR. I don't know how they're going to police this.
00:24:20.000If you want to take the position that a reasonable person...
00:24:29.000Could conclude that there are issues that ought to be addressed, or societal issues that ought to be addressed, and perhaps it's possible to do so in a way that survives First Amendment scrutiny.
00:25:18.000So the idea that they don't vote on every single law that they want to pass, that they just shove them into one thing and say, we have to pass this to spend money, it's absolutely...
00:25:30.000It is disgusting and it makes Congress pointless.
00:25:34.000And it leaves the people with no recourse, no way to actually punish their senators or their congressperson when they do something bad.
00:25:44.000And then they try to hold the American economy hostage by threatening a shutdown and the consequences to follow.
00:25:50.000I kind of hate this because it's kind of fake drama.
00:26:22.000Criminal Prohibition and the Intentional Disclosure of Non-Consensual Intimate Depictions.
00:26:26.000It says, consent, the term means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary authorization made by an individual.
00:26:32.000Digital Forgery, the term digital forgery means any intimate visual depiction of an identifiable individual created through the use of software, machine learning, artificial intelligence, or any other computer-generated technological means.
00:28:20.000Look, it says, except if provided in subparagraph C, it shall be unlawful for any person in interstate or foreign commerce to use an interactive computer service to knowingly publish a digital forgery of an identifiable individual who is not a minor if...
00:28:32.000One, the digital forgery was published without the consent of the identifiable individual.
00:28:36.000Two, what is depicted was not voluntarily exposed by the identifiable individual in a public or commercial setting.
00:28:42.000Three, what is depicted is not a matter of public concern.
00:28:44.000Four, publication of the digital forgery is intended to cause harm or causes harm, including psychological, financial, or reputational harm to the identifiable individual.
00:32:17.000I love how Ron Paul said of abortion, it should not be illegal to be unthinkable.
00:32:21.000And that's what we want to happen, but we're not there.
00:32:24.000So when I look at this, I'm like, we as a society should not tolerate people making AI porn images of prominent female individuals for any reason.
00:32:36.000But tolerate doesn't mean make illegal.
00:32:39.000So the question is, how do we stop people from doing it if we're trying to be, well, we don't want to lock people up in jail for things like this.
00:32:47.000It's a very, very difficult position, which ultimately I feel like I get more conservative.
00:32:51.000I'm like, society must be moral because otherwise this degeneracy and degradation destroys society.
00:32:58.000I think it's worth considering, too, whatever means or method is used to censor this will be used to censor other information that they can call manipulation.
00:33:41.000I mean, look, to be honest, I could not imagine what some of these female celebrities must be thinking when they see these AI images of them going out.
00:34:27.000There's so many different ways information can be shared and broadcast and published.
00:34:34.000It's almost impossible, even if you could roll back the extremely permissive definitions of the Supreme Court regarding pornography, the definition of obscenity.
00:36:11.000Why would anyone tolerate children being on the internet?
00:36:14.000The problem then becomes, even if you're an adult, imagine if you were walking down the town and walking in the street in your city and you saw that someone put your wife's face on nude women in hardcore porn and just plastered it all over the place.
00:36:30.000The internet—there's a difference between the internet and real life, but the internet has become a central place of information sharing.
00:36:37.000And so while we used to walk to the town center and go to church to communicate with our neighbors and our community— Now we go on the internet to do this, and the lanes of the internet are spattered with porn.
00:36:49.000Imagine what someone's going to do when their wife is being put in these images.
00:36:54.000Are we, as a society, just supposed to be like, well, that's the internet.
00:36:56.000I guess we have no choice but to tolerate it?
00:37:06.000And you can't, unfortunately, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
00:37:13.000From a legal point of view, or from a technological point of view.
00:37:18.000So this ubiquity is really a challenge for the level of free speech.
00:37:28.000I mean, I think you made a good right turn there, and you said, let's forget about the kids, because the kids' argument is kind of a little bit too easy.
00:37:37.000Let's talk about the quality of life, the quality of social and intellectual and moral experience that people have going through the day, and so much of the days of so many of us.
00:37:52.000Well, when I was growing up in New York in the 70s, Times Square, walking through Times Square was a disgusting experience because all those theaters that are now owned by Disney and that are now, you know, these beautiful...
00:38:09.000You know, presentations had all been turned into, they used to be movie theaters, and they had all been turned into porn.
00:38:19.000In those days, you had to go to a movie theater or to a peep show to consume pornography.
00:38:25.000And Just the names on the marquees were disgusting.
00:38:42.000And so, you know, the civil libertarians have done us a disservice not only – By pushing the law in the direction that they did in the 60s, 50s and 60s, because you asked about 1940, that was sort of the beginning of the end of, you know, small-town America kind of, you know, morality.
00:39:06.000But by changing, moving the Overton window and making so much of this to be acceptable in our discourse.
00:39:14.000Remember a couple years ago, one of the big topics was kids attending drag shows?
00:39:37.000You had the Prop 8 in California gay marriage and Republicans have been gloating for some time because there was a meme made by liberals where it was like things that will happen if gay, you know, gay people get married.
00:39:47.000And then it was a pie graph where it said, you know, terrorists will win.
00:39:52.000And it said there will be a pandemic and a lockdown and things like this.
00:39:55.000And the pie chart said gay people will get married.
00:39:57.000The joke was nothing's going to happen.
00:40:18.000Conservatives made the argument that if there are two men who are married, what's going to happen is they're going to be walking down the street.
00:40:24.000And then they're going to argue, well, a child's going to ask about it, so you're going to have to teach them in schools what's going on with the men walking down the street and kissing in public.
00:40:52.000This is part of the curriculum regardless of what the teacher is teaching.
00:40:55.000So my concern I suppose is the civil libertarian position, one that I've maintained for a long time, has consistently said we must defend the freedom because we fear the slippery slope of if we ban speech, they will use the speech bans against us for other means.
00:42:40.000Who are not reactive, recognize that it's true that if you are contemptuous of a religious tradition, of the entire idea of a divine revelation of truth, like if it really offends you as being impossible to believe, then you're a hypocrite.
00:43:01.000You literally don't believe it, you don't believe it.
00:43:04.000But if you can acknowledge that you might not understand everything, that there might just be something to the tradition that you are at this stage in history, your parents, grandparents were born into, that you should at least look to it as a source of stability that enabled the values that you hold dear to have been transmitted to you, that's the starting point, that you should at least look to it as a source of The values that you hold dear to have been transmitted to you, that's the starting point, I think.
00:43:36.000Carl Benjamin may have commented on this at some point that a constitution is what constitutes the people.
00:43:43.000And most peoples in the past, they believed their society had a constitution, the social beliefs and the social moral fabric, but they didn't need to write it down because everybody agreed.
00:43:53.000And the founding fathers here were like, nah, we better write it down because we want to make sure that it's clear as crystal for legal purposes and, you know, you don't defy us.
00:44:03.000The problem now is when you get to the point where you have to write things down, your society is already fractured.
00:44:08.000The idea that we have to write down and tell people we will use force against you if you abuse children...
00:44:30.000What I hear is that these are two people who don't trust each other as far as they can see each other.
00:44:36.000And sometimes I'll say, why are you even considering going into partnership with this person?
00:44:41.000Yes, I'm glad that you came here so that if there are issues, everyone's expectations are on the same page.
00:44:49.000But you have to at least start out with an understanding that...
00:44:56.000It's possible that things can go wrong, but this is a person that I want to work with.
00:45:00.000This is a person that I can go to sleep at night knowing that he's my partner and he's taking care of business and he's fundamentally loyal to the partnership.
00:45:13.000You know, one of the things that you—one of the remarks you made really speaks to me is the fact that—or if someone can acknowledge that maybe there's things that I don't understand or that I don't, you know, don't have all the answers for, one thing that I notice a lot— In the music industry is the arguments against religion or the way that people conceptualize religion.
00:46:23.000They're saying, I don't need a God, and because I don't need a God, you having a God, you believing in a God is silly.
00:46:30.000And From my understanding, there's no society ever in all human history, no matter how far they're separated in space or in time, there's no society that has not had religion.
00:46:42.000So for people today to say, oh, we don't need religion, or I don't need religion, it's very, very arrogant.
00:47:53.000Where's the table that you go to to determine these questions of how do you do it?
00:47:58.000It's so easy in a sophomore dormitory discussion to talk about the moral system that you've worked out for yourself.
00:48:09.000One of the hard things about moral systems that are not the product of your own calculation is that they will sometimes ask you to do things that you don't understand and that don't even sit right with you.
00:49:06.000You then have to take the next step and say, not only are you going to have a religion, but you're going to have to be prepared to defend the beliefs in your religion against people who have different beliefs because they might want to take what you have or they might want to make you live the way they want you to live.
00:49:28.000So you're going to have to not only have religion, but you're going to have to live it.
00:49:32.000And you're going to have to reckon with it.
00:49:53.000On Wednesday, Newsom declared a state of emergency.
00:49:55.000In the proclamation, Newsom wrote that all residents are to obey the direction of emergency officials with regard to this emergency in order to protect their safety.
00:50:02.000The proclamation stated that avian influenza H5N1 was first detected in the U.S. wild bird population in South Carolina.
00:50:09.000Since then, 61 dairies have confirmed positive tests for the bird flu across nine counties in Central California.
00:50:16.000Despite testing and containment efforts, dairy cows at four Southern California dairies tested positive for bird flu December 12, 2024, necessitating a shift from regional containment to statewide monitoring and response to active cases.
00:50:28.000The document noted that since March, there have been 61 human cases reported across eight states, 34 in California.
00:50:35.000Under the emergency declaration, states agencies shall enter into contracts to arrange for the procurement of materials, goods and services necessary to quickly assist with the response to and recovery from the impacts of this emergency.
00:51:27.000It's going to be a situation where some states will, some states won't.
00:51:30.000And then the, then the, the fight is going to be over the narrative there because the, the states that do lock down, they're going to want to make sure that at least they have a good narrative that they can explain away why they did it.
00:51:43.000And they're going to want to have, they're going to want to have data that supports their decision.
00:51:48.000So it was the right decision because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:51:51.000And they'll have their talking points.
00:51:52.000And then the states that don't lock down will.
00:51:55.000We'll say, well, no, it wasn't the right decision.
00:51:57.000We made the right decision and we'll have our talking points.
00:52:00.000And then the American people are going to decide which one they prefer based on emotional reaction.
00:52:04.000And we're living in a world now in which the presumption that an entire nation had, the vast majority of people, that you could trust your state and local and federal government and your doctors.
00:52:35.000Yes, there are people who have pled their trough.
00:52:38.000They are more committed to state control of their health and well-being than ever before.
00:52:44.000But they have destroyed so much equity and trust there that the entire process that you just described is going to go, I think, quite differently from the way it did last time.
00:53:02.000The most severe case was one gentleman in Louisiana.
00:53:05.000He didn't die, but he was hospitalized.
00:53:07.000So far, I'm reading that there is no person-to-person transmission.
00:53:11.000I'm saying even if this were as bad as COVID were, given how much distrust there is between Americans and our health services, our public health services, and our government, I couldn't imagine the American people having any sort of patience for any sort of Lockdown or shutdowns a la that we did during COVID time.
00:53:30.000And I especially couldn't see it going into a second Trump administration.
00:53:34.000So whatever this is, I hope they obviously address it properly, but I couldn't imagine another full-scale lockdown.
00:53:40.000Well, I'm glad Jay Bhattacharya is going to be in place.
00:53:44.000Every year we have these bird flu scares.
00:54:58.000You know that song where it's like, can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars?
00:55:02.000I had this idea for a joke where, can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are...
00:55:07.000I want to take it, and then just AI Hayley Williams' voice, so she says, can we pretend that the airplanes in the night sky are like drones?
00:56:30.000I think Americans are predisposed, not Americans, people, humans are predisposed to look up in the sky and wonder, look among the stars, the moons, the planets, the drones, whatever's flying in the sky and wonder.
00:56:53.000Like with the Potomac River, there's gyrocopter tours.
00:56:56.000And so we see weird low-flying car-sized things, just like zoom past all the time.
00:57:02.000And I hope the military's working on something way past our understanding, at least testing out some...
00:57:09.000Yeah, they're actually anti-gravity passenger vehicles, and the quad rotors on them are an illusion just to make it look like they're using standard fluid dynamic flight.
00:57:36.000Everyone's concerned about a state of emergency because people are trying to find which conspiracy will come true to hinder Donald Trump.
00:57:41.000Nobody wants to believe that Trump's going to get in with a clean inauguration.
00:57:44.000There was some guy, there's a video going viral where he says he's calling for 11 million people to go to the Capitol and give Trump a coronary to peacefully force Trump to reject the presidency, which makes no sense because then who would be president?
00:57:55.000But everybody's trying to figure out which conspiracy is it going to be.
00:58:37.000Do people actually think that Trump is controlled by...
00:58:40.000Dude, Nick Fuentes, he is all in on the, you know, Trump used to be against immigration, like illegal and legal immigration, and now he's all pro-Israel.
00:59:15.000You know, Elon Musk doesn't get enough credit for spending as much money as he does.
00:59:19.000I feel like the Adelsons, they get a ton of credit, but Elon Musk whips out $100 million, and if he were Jewish, I feel like he'd have more eyes on him.
00:59:27.000But $100 million for him is a little bit more like, you know, making a wedding for, you know, a middle-class person, whereas for the Adelsons, $100 million, I think they might notice.
00:59:59.000You know, we like Elon Musk because he widely agrees with us, but, you know, there are some conflicts of interest with him working in government.
01:00:08.000He does have very big businesses, obviously.
01:00:10.000Trump used to be very anti-EVs until Elon Musk became a supporter of his, and then he had a quote where he's like, well, Elon Musk is one of my biggest supporters now.
01:00:22.000I doubt it'll last all four years of the Trump administration.
01:00:25.000I don't know if he's just trying to, like, couch Elon Musk in this Doge project with Vivek, but with how much influence he's exerting, especially on this CR, I mean, he's somebody to have our eyes on.
01:01:21.000Fauci is making an excuse for why they made the virus, and it's a play on Lord of the Rings where Fauci says to Trump, do it, cast the virus into the fires, and Trump goes, well, I was going to, but now I'm not because you told me to.
01:02:38.000So I think it was Mitch McConnell who wrote an article in Foreign Policy earlier this week, or I think it was earlier this week or late last week, about why we should still be in Ukraine and supporting Ukraine.
01:02:50.000He'll argue things like that all of our enemies are...
01:03:10.000Mitch McConnell argues that all the axis of resistance are allies with each other and that when Putin's bogged down in Ukraine, Assad is propped up less and China's less emboldened to invade Taiwan.
01:04:22.000And then when we're distracted and that pulls resources away from the Pacific fleet, they can move into Taiwan.
01:04:29.000Which they've been continually trying to do.
01:04:30.000It's going to be interesting to see how foreign policy plays out in the Trump administration because I feel like he's neither an isolationist nor interventionist.
01:04:37.000Trump, like he does in many political fields, he ascends.
01:05:52.000He is absolutely—no matter how—I don't care if you like what he was talking about or not, it is objectively true that he is spineless and he doesn't have the guts to stand up to the Democrats at all.
01:06:05.000He walked off the stage as soon as two women got up on stage and were saying, this is our stage now, blah, blah, blah.
01:06:11.000He's like, okay, fine, get out of here.
01:06:14.000So the idea that Bernie is a person to be emulated, that's a joke in my opinion.
01:06:34.000So there's not many good things I could say about Democrats, but I do think they subject the socialists in their party, subjugate the socialists in their party very well.
01:06:43.000So like what they did with Bernie Sanders and now what they're doing with AOC with these head house positions that she was...
01:06:50.000We'll see about that because the socialists in the party were setting the narrative for the Democrats for the past 15 years.
01:07:06.000We've got to bring the people that are of the minorities POC. They all have to be given stuff so that way we can tear the white people down.
01:07:19.000The current civil war in the Democrat Party will kind of show you.
01:07:26.000And it would be nice to see the Democrats kind of return to being...
01:07:31.000You know, marginally intelligent and to really isolate people like Hassan and the far left and do something about the fact that there are so many Democrats or leftists that would caucus with the Democrats that will say things like they support the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO and all of the horrible,
01:08:35.000The person who perpetrated that crime was praised, and he was, you know, so you have to wonder what the downstream effects with that will be.
01:08:42.000Multiple attempts on Donald Trump's life, obviously, with all the praise that Luigi has received online, although probably not as real, not as potent in real life as it is online, could inspire others.
01:08:54.000So we could have this stochastic terrorism effect.
01:08:58.000That's the only time I'd ever appreciate and use that phrase like that, too.
01:09:01.000I thought you were going to go on to it.
01:09:03.000No, I agree with you, but if you look at the politics in the U.S., and I think that this is probably inflamed by the Internet and stuff, but there are people on the far left, and there are far more people on the far left that are comfortable with calling themselves communists, but there is a growing faction on the far right that are comfortable putting up pictures of Hitler and saying, we owe this man an apology.
01:10:29.000Yeah, because it basically is a vacuum cleaner or a garbage disposal for the violent, unhinged leftists.
01:10:36.000They all got mad at Elon and left, and now we can sit here in peace and talk like adults.
01:10:41.000But Jesse Single writes, it was supposed to be a gentler left-wing alternative to X. My grim experience proves that just isn't the case.
01:10:50.000Jesse Single is one of the liberals that I have followed for many, many years, and he pretty much avoids interacting with me because it wouldn't look good to his friends.
01:11:26.000But sometimes he can't help but notice that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.
01:11:34.000So he posted a couple of these from Blue Sky.
01:11:37.000them basically saying they want to kill him, but they can't.
01:11:42.000There's another post we're saying they want to shoot him twice.
01:11:46.000The funny thing is, there's a bunch of posts from people who, conservatives who went on Blue Sky and tried posting opinions and were banned for it, or throttled for it.
01:11:56.000Jesse Single found that on this leftist, gentler free speech platform, where they actually claim free speech, there's hundreds of thousands of death threats, and they won't do anything about it.
01:12:07.000I almost think Blue Sky was intentionally created as a catch-all for far-left lunatics, so it's all on purpose.
01:12:14.000I'm The thing about Jesse Singel, too, just to give people a background on him, he's a journalist who writes extensively about trans issues, and that's the reason why he's getting this pushback.
01:12:25.000He's liberal in all other senses except for the trans issue, I think particularly with Children going on puberty blockers.
01:12:32.000So the reason why most of the people who are threatening him are trans activists who are very frustrated with his coverage about how in Europe, a lot of these different health and public health institutions are rolling back their puberty blocker plans.
01:12:45.000And the more he points this out, the more they call him transphobic.
01:12:48.000He's probably the number one target of trans activists because of his work in this space.
01:12:53.000He will constantly review trans activist articles using misleading science.
01:12:58.000He'll fact check the New York Times using misleading science about trans issues.
01:13:03.000So that's why he's garnered so much hate on this platform in particular.
01:13:08.000And I mean, he's doing doing the Lord's work.
01:13:11.000Good for him for standing up about this stuff.
01:13:14.000Taking the slings and arrows that he will get from the absolute loonies that would send those kind of tweets, which tend to be, you know, the trans activists tend to be a volatile bunch.
01:13:28.000He's liberal in every other way, and he didn't toe the line on one issue, and this is the pushback.
01:13:33.000But it happens to be an issue that is of most interest to people who are already mentally unbalanced.
01:14:43.000You look at John Stewart, Bill Maher, and these other liberals, Cenk Uygur now going, oh, well, I'm a moderate populist, and I think we should give Trump a chance.
01:15:01.000They were meant to hit the streets and disrupt the establishment and to be the leading edge of the left wing, but in a way which structurally— they could be disowned when they were no longer useful.
01:15:55.000They're still the ones that are the real crazies that are mentally compromised and will do antisocial acts just for the fun of it.
01:16:06.000I think a lot of Antifa is a lot more More privileged than we like to think so, and a lot of them are joining non-profits, a lot of them are, you know, trying to rehabilitate their image in different ways, and they're infiltrating, and they're very happy about it behind the scenes when I think they infiltrate.
01:16:21.000I don't think you're wrong about a segment, but when I think of Antifa...
01:16:51.000I think there is a smaller portion that are the smart ones that are, you know, kind of giving direction than the larger portion of the, you know, just crazy.
01:17:15.000He wasn't an Antifa Antifa, but he was a useful idiot for Antifa, and he was a crazy dude, and he was, you know, he'd been arrested and...
01:17:24.000Yeah, he's just bad news, but that's the kind of dude that Antifa will have throw the first rock at the cops, or that will throw the rock through the window, because he's the one that'll do it, and he's got basically nothing going for him anyway.
01:17:37.000And I think that those guys are more numerous than the actual smart people that are kind of directing them.
01:19:30.000Well, there was a deplorable where Trump supporters had that big gala and Antifa was chucking bricks and rocks at us as we were walking in the building.
01:19:40.000And the cops were just standing there.
01:19:41.000And it was crazy as we're going walking on the street with a police line keeping hundreds of psychopathic leftists away.
01:19:48.000The cops are by the doors, and as we're walking in, they're just launching things at us, and the cops didn't do anything about it.
01:19:54.000And then Gavin McInnes licked the guy's face.
01:19:56.000And I also believe there's a woman's march two days before the inauguration, if I'm not mistaken, in D.C. You know, I can respect it, but I think the issue is what they're saying online is that the woman's march did nothing.
01:20:08.000They were like, what, how many, like three million people showed up in D.C., walked around and left, and literally nothing happened.
01:20:13.000So I'm concerned that these people are going to be lunatics.
01:20:16.000Well, I'm concerned they are, and this time they will be angry lunatics.
01:20:23.000So let me suggest, though, that yes, there's always going to be a percentage, and when you are doing things that are inflammatory, a small percentage will seem like a lot more of a phenomenon than a large percentage.
01:20:39.000Having said that, It seems to me that the playbook has moved away from the mass violence.
01:20:51.000And there's probably a tactical reason for it, and it looks like you have an idea as to what it might be.
01:20:55.000No, actually, I was going to ask you what you thought it might be.
01:20:58.000I was hoping Tim would explain it, actually.
01:21:01.000No, what I think it might be is it didn't work.
01:21:04.000At the end of the day, it was disruptive, and that was something.
01:21:11.000But the left has learned that the right has learned.
01:21:19.000There are things, for example, January 6th, when I first saw it advertised, The idea popped into my head for a minute to go.
01:21:59.000So it's a funny thing that happened after January 6th is that I got accused of having foreknowledge that Tim Poole had been informed they were planning to storm the Capitol because I had said in September of 2020 that in November, a bunch of right wing, if Trump loses, a bunch of right wing people are going to like storm the White House or something. a bunch of right wing, if Trump loses, a bunch And it was speculation.
01:22:46.000And we were like, should we get a hotel?
01:22:49.000And we actually got we rented a hotel room in advance to do the show live from D.C. on January 6th.
01:22:55.000And then as we were getting closer and closer to the date, we were having conversations about security with the barricades and the plans the city had had.
01:23:03.000We were concerned about being able to actually get down there and do any kind of show with the mass showing was expected.
01:23:08.000So we said, I don't think we can do it.
01:23:28.000Again, talking about moving that Overton window, there is now a regime, an expectation of non-enforcement of the law against violent left-wing protest in D.C. So when the Palestinian regime Protesters scaled the White House fences and were really extremely menacing around the area of the White House.
01:25:08.000I like to entertain the idea that the left has basically given up and they're isolated to the far corners of the internet in places like Blue Sky and they're not going to show up.
01:25:17.000We got reporting from Andy Ngo in the Post Millennial.
01:25:23.000So, I don't know, maybe the tolerance for this stuff has just ended.
01:25:27.000People were scared because Antifa was going to burn your building down, but now that Trump won, there's a popular mandate, people feel like they're not isolated anymore, and so now they're just like, we can stand up.
01:25:35.000Yeah, I have a feeling that the victories at the ballot box have made people that were a little hesitant to admit that they supported people on the right, they supported Trump, that they...
01:25:51.000I think more than that is that it became acceptable to acknowledge that it's allowed for Republicans to win elections.
01:26:02.000I mean, I was very struck on election day and the night of election day and the next day by the Corporate leaders who are associated with the Democratic Party congratulating Donald Trump.
01:26:17.000That, I don't think, would have happened in 2020 if he had won in 2020. Of course not.
01:26:23.000He succeeded in normalizing himself As a person who is entitled to be elected president if he wins the election.
01:26:36.000When he did the press conference, he was like, you know, in my first term, everybody was fighting me and now they're all trying to be my friend.
01:27:25.000The fact that he has had four years where he was kind of out in the wilderness is a big deal.
01:27:33.000He did learn a lot in the time that he was in office, of course, but it wouldn't be the same had he won directly after his first time.
01:27:46.000I think this actually is going to be better for America...
01:27:50.000Because of what he's determined to do, having him had the four years away than the results that he would get for America had he gotten a consecutive term.
01:27:59.000And there has been, I mean, the deep state and the cancer, the woke mind virus was given the opportunity to spread in a way that we would prefer that it hadn't.
01:28:17.000You know, places in government and in other institutions, I mean, the universities have lost all credibility among normal people.
01:28:27.000They're now readily identifiable and their contempt for the rest of us is open and there's going to be a lot more popular support than there otherwise would have been.
01:28:42.000On this idea of Trump becoming normalized, I think this is in large part due to the fatigue of fear-mongering and how long that could last, four years, eight years, and then it's like, what does Trump actually accomplish that is such a big threat to our country?
01:28:56.000They say he won't leave office, but he ends up leaving office.
01:29:05.000When none of this comes to fruition, I think the populace naturally realizes that the threat that he's made out to be doesn't really exist.
01:29:13.000I think the actual challenge we have is finding our identity after a tremendous victory.
01:29:20.000The left may be so disheveled and lost in the Democratic Party, there's going to be a lot of infighting on the right over what the next moves should be.
01:29:31.000Personally, I mean, I think that it is good that Donald Trump and the people that he has lined up have the incentive and have made it clear that they want to cut the government because the way that the left has exerted a significant amount of control over the population is through the bureaucracy.
01:29:47.000If we can shrink the bureaucracy, if we can actually make significant cuts...
01:29:51.000And make the bureaucracy significantly smaller and take the government out of people's lives on a daily basis.
01:29:59.000That could be a very, very good start to keeping the woke mind virus out of everybody's living room and bedroom and stuff like that.
01:30:12.000It's extremely exciting political times because I think we're seeing a realignment in both the Republican and Democrat Party.
01:30:18.000Currently, the Republican Party is all MAGA, but we'll see if in a post-Trump world, anybody in the Republican Party will be able to coalesce the parties.
01:30:26.000And the future of the Democrat Party is really all over the place.
01:30:29.000It's whether or not they decide to go the leftist or more moderate route.
01:30:32.000There's other interests in the Democrat Party, but there are major realignments.
01:30:36.000We're also seeing, you know, some extremes or fringes of both parties kind of agreeing with the opposite side.
01:30:43.000So, for example, many leftists are agreeing with many of the libertarian types on the right.
01:30:48.000So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in a decade, two decades, and how the parties realign in that way.
01:30:58.000If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know, and become a member over at TimCast.com.
01:31:06.000We've got tomorrow here in the studio, and then Friday, of course, we are going to be flying out to Arizona for AmFest for the final show of the year on stage in front of thousands of people.
01:33:24.000Kieran the Meat Man says, we need a show with Ian and either Phil or Grumpy Old Man where they talk about graphene and spiritual power, etc.
01:33:35.000I feel like any podcast with Ian is a valuable show because it's entertaining.
01:33:41.000Like, there's a lot of people who hate on Ian, but they need to understand that if you enter into the show understanding who and what Ian is, you enjoy it.
01:33:52.000But there are a lot of people who are very serious.
01:33:54.000So when Ian asks something that doesn't seem to make sense or they don't understand it, they get angry because they want a very serious top-level Atlantic accent conversation.
01:34:05.000And then Ian might say something weird like, it feels good to stick your finger in a cow's mouth, which is one of his most famous quotes in the show.
01:34:11.000He told that to Elijah Schaefer and Sidney, and it was very funny.
01:34:17.000But I agree that if you were to get Ian on a show with, you know, anybody, I think Ben Shapiro and Ian would be hilarious.
01:34:41.000I know he has a lot of out there ideas.
01:34:43.000He's not the only one, but I will say this.
01:34:45.000He's one of the best, youngest looking 40 some odd year old men that I know.
01:34:50.000He's 50. He's 50. And when you look at the guy, it's like, I don't know, Graphene, I don't know what you're eating, juice you're drinking, but he's doing something right.
01:34:58.000The first time I saw him, I thought he was younger than me.
01:36:16.000I think America is best off funding America, but I have an idea.
01:36:19.000Guys, I want to give Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, I want to give them a trillion dollars.
01:36:30.000I propose this bill be put forward by all Republican members of Congress and Democrats, if they're interested, where we pledge $1 trillion each.
01:36:42.000So long as we've secured our border, got a job for all the people who are struggling to get work after we've solved the health care problems, after the unemployment level is stable at a certain amount for a certain amount of years, after we've ended any trade disagreements, ratified treaties, withdrawn our troops from all these other countries. ratified treaties, withdrawn our troops from all these other countries.
01:37:00.000Once we've solved all of our problems in this country and we have extra money lying around, maybe then the conversation can be had about whether or not we give that money away.
01:37:09.000But we cannot be a country with a problem of crime, with a problem of infrastructure failing, with a porous border, that at the same time as there are hurricane victims in North Carolina, we are giving our money away.
01:37:21.000Let me just ask you a hypothetical question.
01:37:24.000What if, and I had no problem with cutting off the foreign aid, including to Israel.
01:37:29.000I think it's the worst thing for countries to become dependent on foreign aid.
01:37:33.000And it's bad for the relationships, all the things.
01:37:37.000If I told you I could solve the border crisis by giving $50 million to Mexico, let's just say $50 million would solve that problem.
01:38:42.000If anyone comes to me and says, I propose a plan to solve this crisis, my plan involves giving X amount of dollars to a foreign country, I say, and what will that do?
01:38:52.000I don't care what you're asking money for.
01:38:55.000I'm always going to ask you, what does the money go towards?
01:38:56.000If your hypothetical is, you have a plan that we all looked at and go, wow, that's going to solve the problem.
01:39:07.000When you say we need to solve all our problems before we spend a penny overseas, there are American interests that are affected by I think right now our spending overseas is like a drunken sailor.
01:39:24.000And the cultural warfare and the woke crap that the State Department has been trying to import into other countries, especially countries with traditional cultures, is disgusting.
01:39:38.000And it's the height of arrogance and ugly Americanism.
01:39:42.000But, there are smart ways to use foreign aid.
01:41:20.000I literally see stories that I'm interested in and I'll put them together and then I'll press record because I want to express myself, which is why yesterday I only had four instead of six because it was a drastically slow news day and I was like, I'm not going to try and just press record for the sake of press record.
01:42:06.000You know, I was talking about the Brett Cooper contract because I love talking media contracts.
01:42:09.000I love the inner workings of the media industry and the lying, the cheating, the stealing, and all the dirty stuff that goes on in these big corporate news outlets.
01:42:15.000But a lot of these YouTubers on the right are now looking at the abject failures of the Democratic Party.
01:42:21.000And there's very little left to even talk about.
01:43:17.000Now we're going to try and move RFK Jr. on the issue of abortion, which means right-wingers are going to start talking about right-wingers more often.
01:43:22.000The left is going to get a bunch of money from corporate interests, and in six to eight months they're going to invest heavily in these sophists, and they're going to come back with a vengeance.
01:44:44.000And Patman got critiqued because he basically took this boring and mundane interview and then cut it and then spoke as if it was a shocking bad thing.
01:44:59.000Basically, imagine Donald Trump saying, today I'm going to go have McDonald's and then maybe see my family.
01:45:05.000And then you get a liberal going, Donald Trump, unhealthy, wasting time, taking the day off because there's nothing to complain about anymore.
01:45:27.000Look, the other day, I was sitting here, and I stayed way late, and I had to exercise, and I'm sitting here like, there's literally nothing.
01:45:38.000A lot of little stories, nothing really moves the needle.
01:45:41.000So what this is, is news outlets have little to write about, so they rewrite existing stories and you get a whole bunch of stories that add like 2% of the information back into a story we already saw.
01:45:55.000You know, back in the day, the BBC would famously run an image on the screen saying there is no news, and it would just show, like, the flag, the British flag.
01:46:32.000In the early 90s, you'd fall asleep with the TV on and wake up to the test pattern, just showing all the colors and static...
01:46:40.000I used to try and watch Tales from the Crypt when I was little, but it would come on at like 11, and I'd fall asleep at like 9, because I was like 7 or something.
01:46:53.000Go through the six channels that you could receive, you know, and give up on the UHF, and say, okay, I guess I'm going to have to read the comics.
01:47:02.000Grofty says, a chicken knows when to buck buck, and when to hold the buck buck buck.
01:47:07.000Chicken City is, I'm telling you guys, chickencitylive.com.
01:47:12.000Because what you've got to understand about Chicken City, it's ASMR. You're at work, right?
01:47:17.000Let's say you're on the 30th floor of some Manhattan skyscraper, and the only sound you hear is the hum of the air ventilation blowing over your head, and you're sitting there with bags under your eyes, doing another TPS report.
01:50:05.000I think, you know, if you want to criticize the Israeli government, fine, as long as you understand foreign policy and it's not your whole identity.
01:50:11.000And so I criticize what I call Israel derangement syndrome.
01:50:15.000And that is when someone's whole identity only exists around Israel, which is insane.
01:50:19.000For example, we had a journalist on the show and one of our callers asked about the fentanyl crisis in West Virginia.
01:50:26.000And within 30 seconds, he was talking about Israel again.
01:50:29.000And I said, my guy, we are talking about West Virginia.
01:50:33.000And he tried to justify why we had to talk about Israel in the context of opiates in West Virginia.
01:50:38.000And I was just like, OK, dude, like that's Israel derangement syndrome.
01:50:42.000Now, what happens is the people who suffer from Israel derangement syndrome don't like that.
01:50:46.000They don't like that that's been identified.
01:50:49.000So what they do is they counter by saying, Tim thinks all criticism of Israel is Israel derangement syndrome, to try and do an inverse.
01:50:57.000No, we've done a lot of shows where Luke's been critical of military actions by Israel, and we've had Dave Smith on and Clint Russell and Josie, and we've talked about the libertarian positions pertaining to whether we fund Israel, whether their actions are justified.
01:51:09.000I think having a conversation about our military allies and the actions they take is 100% justified.
01:51:14.000What I think is absolutely psychotic is when someone then says...
01:51:18.000But you know, Israel controls the United States.
01:51:22.000And I'm like, then why are we giving more money to Ukraine?
01:51:25.000Well, it's because Israel wants Ukraine to have the money, not Israel.
01:51:44.000Largely, my point ultimately is why these polls are funny, is it's an internet hive.
01:51:50.000And so what they'll try to do is they'll bombard people with these comments, dislikes, etc., in an effort, or the chat, in an effort to convince them the audience actually supports one idea over the other.
01:52:04.000Well, fortunately, I'm not an idiot, nor am I weak-willed, so I don't care if the audience is going to spam, you know, anti-Semitic or anti-Israel things.
01:52:13.000I'm drawing a distinction between the two.
01:52:14.000I have a view on the matter that's not going to change based on the audience yelling.
01:52:18.000So what ends up happening then is I post a poll.
01:52:25.000I didn't say anything about the country otherwise.
01:52:28.000The people who are spamming and saying Jews and yarmulke or whatever are a fringe minority that are trying to play an audience manipulation game to trick these weak-willed commentators into switching into a narrative about Israel and Jews that is unpopular and wrong.
01:52:46.000And a lot of these creators and a lot of these individuals on the internet are so weak-willed that the moment they see that they get 200,000 likes on one of these posts or views or whatever, not likes, they immediately think, I'm going to do more of this.
01:52:58.000And there have been a series of influencers who had good ideas and were conservatives and were on X, started posting more and more unhinged things where today you look at their profile and the only thing they have to talk about is Jews.
01:53:11.000And I'm like, that is called audience capture, manipulation, and those are weak-willed people.
01:54:30.000And the podcast was supposed to be in real life with regular people, but then COVID happened.
01:54:34.000So here we are instead in a studio show with recurring guests and things like that, which is kind of the opposite of what it was supposed to be.
01:54:41.000That being said, though, we don't do any digital interviews.
01:54:44.000I'm glad you explained that, because I've been on TimCast in real life, I think, four or five times now.
01:54:51.000And every time I come here, I'm wondering where the real life part is.
01:54:55.000Well, we're sitting here in front of each other.
01:55:57.000That's a lot of traveling to figure out that the Earth's round.
01:56:02.000I admire them for going through with it and then saying, oh no, we were actually wrong, instead of, oh, we did something wrong, or our measurement tools are incorrect.
01:56:10.000They got to Antarctica, where they were met by the Mossad, who paid them off to say that the Earth was round.
01:57:04.000For the amount of time it took the countless numbers of staffers to write 1,500 pages of ish, they could have just written an actual budget.
01:57:42.000And then when we were like, time to go, it swam over, and it wouldn't let one of the tour guides leave because she was giving it belly rubs.
01:59:00.000He thought Hillary Clinton was a lizard or something and Trump was fighting.
01:59:03.000I don't know if he's just being derogatory like Chuck Schumer is a reptile figuratively or literally.
01:59:07.000He was talking about how he was watching Q and then started reading into it and he's concerned that the reptilians aren't going to let Trump win.
01:59:15.000And I was like, you mean like lizard people?
01:59:19.000And I'm just like, it's hard for me to believe that there are people out there who actually think these things that are walking around like living a normal life.
02:00:44.000Harmeet Dillon, my former partner, I say former because I have stepped back from the partnership in the Dillon Law Group, appointed by President or nominated by President Trump to be the head of the Civil Rights Division in the Justice Department, a fantastic development, good for every American, every American.
02:01:32.000Check out Tim Pool's Culture War channel.
02:01:35.000There's a video of me interviewing protesters outside of the Supreme Court on trans issues that they were protesting for getting puberty blockers to children.
02:01:42.000There'll be more on the ground reporting like that on Tim Pool's Culture War channel in the future.