Mayor of Riverton, Utah, Mayor Ian Staggs joins us to talk about the tragic loss of his beloved husband, Charlie Kirk. We also hear from the family of slain conservative commentator and presidential candidate, Eric Kirk, and former White House Chief Strategist Tim Pileggi.
00:01:39.000Erica Kirk is set to make her first public remarks since the murder of her husband Charlie uh from Arizona tonight.
00:01:48.000We'll we will have that, I believe that's gonna be about seven fifty or eight fifteen on the east coast.
00:01:54.000Um the left is trying to place the blame for the murder on the right, they're trying to say that the murderer was actually a groper or he was a MAGA loving Republican and that Charlie wasn't far right enough.
00:02:06.000So we'll talk a little bit about that.
00:02:07.000Um this is gonna cover most most of the night, so we'll have uh probably a hit from Tim Poole when he's on Fox News coming up shortly.
00:02:18.000Uh so that's uh that's gonna be most of what we'll talk about tonight.
00:02:20.000So we're just gonna get right into it.
00:02:22.000Joining us tonight is uh Mayor Staggs, how you doing?
00:02:28.000Uh I know it's uh you know, for Tim and for all of you, and uh most definitely you know can't even imagine with uh the Kirk family, but uh introduce yourself and tell and tell the viewers a little bit about yourself.
00:02:39.000Yeah, so I'm uh in elected office mayor of Riverton, Utah, and uh that was about twenty miles north of uh the assassination.
00:02:46.000Um that just occurred here on Wednesday.
00:02:48.000And in addition to being mayor, I've I've been appointed by President Trump and the Small Business Administration's office of advocacy, uh was appointed back in May and our office actually uh focuses conducts business outreach, small businesses, five hundred fewer employees, and uh tries to find help identify and eliminate burdensome regulation.
00:03:07.000So that's uh uh with my business background, having worked in Fortune 100, small medium business and then public company, uh and in government as well.
00:04:19.000You know, I I had the fortune uh to meet Charlie back in twenty-three when I ran for U.S. Senate.
00:04:26.000He was my very first, you know, major endorsement.
00:04:30.000Um somebody who truly believed in me, you know, somebody who just when when not many elts did, uh he believed in me, he was willing to stand up and say, you have the courage to take on the establishment, what do you call the cabal.
00:04:43.000Yeah, in uh challenging Mitt Romney at the time.
00:05:44.000Um during an interview appearance on Friday morning on Fox News' Fox and Friends, President Donald Trump said Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica wants to keep his conservative youth organization Turning Point USA running following his assassination.
00:05:57.000Newsweek contacted Turning Point USA for comment on Friday via online inquiry from outside of regular office hours.
00:06:04.000Turning point USA, which Kirk co-founded in 2012 when he was 18 years old, developed into one of the most prominent conservative advocac advocacy groups in the United States.
00:06:13.000In turn, Kirk became an important ally of Trump's make making a number of appearances at his campaign rallies during the last year's presidential election.
00:06:21.000If Erica Herkirk, who hosts the midweek rise up podcast, continues her late husband's work at Turning Point USA, the group is likely to remain influent and influential force in American politics, particularly among college students.
00:06:34.000Um I'm not familiar with Erica's podcast, but I know that the work that Turning Point does has really had a massive, massive impact on American politics overall, particularly when it comes to getting the you know youth into politic politics.
00:06:52.000Because for the most part, the people that are are out there voting regularly, particularly in the midterms, they're always the older people.
00:06:59.000They're always you know 55 and up, you know, people our age um and up.
00:07:06.000But I mean, I I drive, you know, I my house is I'm a resident of New Hampshire.
00:07:10.000So I like every November when there's a when there's um elections, I drive all the way to New Hampshire so that way I can I can make sure that I can vote and stuff.
00:07:19.000Um but to have turning point really getting young people involved has been a massive boon for the the right.
00:07:28.000And it probably probably had a lot to do with with Donald Trump getting elected.
00:07:33.000Uh Charlie said this when he came out and we we conducted our rally.
00:07:36.000He said, you know, when he first started Turning Point, it was quite literally, it was scary because by all indications, the 18 to 34-year-old cohort was going off the cliff progressive.
00:07:49.000And what he was able to do through sure sheer will and just his work ethic and and being able to get together with great, great people like Tyler Boyer and others, build his organization.
00:08:03.000He was always he was so proud of that fact when we would speak.
00:08:07.000Um that that was just he it was it was his organization that was largely, I believe, really instrumental in getting that shifting that tide.
00:08:16.000And now we've got you know, just a generation of um of conservatives that I I think will uh will definitely help change uh the the future of this country.
00:08:28.000When you said fifty the most conservative it's been in fifty years, is that the populace itself, you feel, or is it the Republican Party?
00:08:34.000What what were you what did you mean when you said that?
00:08:36.000The the the males between men between eighteen and thirty-four, that that cohort uh he said was the most conservative it's been in over fifty years.
00:08:45.000Um when he started, it wasn't that way at all.
00:09:50.000And I think I would have been considered the target demo for Kirk, and I certainly was.
00:09:54.000I mean, I was a huge fan of his of his of his work.
00:09:57.000And it's because I, and I think I'm the demographic he was targeting because I grew up in a Republican household.
00:10:02.000I grew up in a Christian conservative household.
00:10:04.000I just couldn't quite put the pieces together.
00:10:06.000And I think that's what who his work specifically was targeting was all those men who, yeah, they go into college, yeah, I'm conservative, but they don't quite have a grasp on the ideas, and he's able to fill in the gaps and make you realize oh, I could be an asset to the movement, right?
00:10:18.000I could be in some cases matriculated into future leaders, and that's what that's what Kirk was really speaking to.
00:10:25.000Um, maybe not put all the pieces together, but I got I gotta tell you this the public universities, and Charlie got this better than anybody.
00:10:33.000It is such a cesspool of woke indoctrination.
00:10:37.000You know, he never went to college himself.
00:10:39.000You know, he would always say a college is a scam.
00:10:41.000Um, but it was just so full of woke indoctrination that they he needed to go into that lion's den and he needed to be able to provide that space.
00:11:12.000Go toe-to-toe with somebody and be able to just articulate your beliefs uh in that way.
00:11:17.000Yeah, and one of the one of the great things about Charlie, and I I I heard uh Shapiro was talking about this a little bit, but one of the great things about Charlie Kirk is he didn't start out because he started so young, right?
00:11:27.000Like he was 18 years old when he was doing his or 17 when he was doing his first stuff with uh with the Tea Party in like 2011 or whatever.
00:11:37.000He wasn't an amazing uh singer, I mean sorry, uh, an amazing speaker.
00:11:41.000He had to learn, and he really learned how to become an absolutely great debater and a great speaker.
00:11:50.000So he's he didn't have a college education.
00:11:53.000There's a lot of kids that would bring that up when you would go to colleges and talk to kids.
00:11:57.000They would they would try to make some make hay of the fact that he didn't have a college education, and he would, you know, spank these kids with the uh with the the debates that he was in.
00:12:06.000And and I think that that really does inspire young men because they see I can because that's really what what young guys really want is they want to feel like they can do that, right?
00:12:16.000And and Charlie Kirk made young guys feel like I can do something that matters.
00:12:21.000And and he's not so much older than me.
00:12:23.000I can do something not decades down the road.
00:12:28.000I can do something right now that's gonna matter.
00:12:31.000And for a young guy that feels like he's kind of listless and doesn't know what he should be doing in life.
00:12:37.000If you don't have meaning, that's a great meaning.
00:12:41.000That's a great way to say, look, I actually have value the fact that I can go and do something right now.
00:12:46.000Yeah, well, I and I I think it's like you were talking about Maras.
00:12:49.000What what Kirk's value especially was was again, like talking about kids that are going into college, already conservative, coming from conservative families.
00:12:57.000Like I went to St. John's University in New York.
00:12:59.000Um, half the students there, they're sourcing most of their students from Long Island.
00:13:03.000So, like half the students there were conservative or grew up in conservative households.
00:13:07.000We just kept our heads down for the most part.
00:13:08.000And I wasn't in college recently, I graduated two years ago.
00:13:11.000And it was guys like Kirk that kind of created the room in these on these college campuses to be able to express your opinions and then also to engage with with material that would expand those those opinions and sort of fill in the gaps, so to speak.
00:13:23.000And you there wouldn't have been room without Kirk.
00:13:26.000It would have been like I speak to older Zoomers and and younger millennials.
00:13:29.000I mean, the college campuses were were a total disaster.
00:13:31.000I mean, We remember 2016, the situations on these campuses when, you know, Ben Shapiro or Milo would roll up and they would just light everything on fire.
00:13:37.000By the time I got into college, that wasn't really the case, and it was largely because of Charlie Kirk making making it acceptable to be a conservative on campus.
00:13:45.000Not just acceptable, but in many cases promoted, because like you said, it was it was cool.
00:14:04.000I mean, I know this is redundant and it's obvious, but because he started so young and was successful as a young man, even as an old man, he still inspired the young men.
00:14:11.000Well, 31-year-old guy is not old, but um But yeah, you're totally right.
00:14:15.000I mean, you're you hit the nail on the head.
00:14:17.000He was inspiring young people, and I think that that's part of why he was so successful is the fact that he wasn't just a guy that was, you know, out there speaking.
00:14:29.000He was telling he was even if he wasn't communicating it, he or even if he wasn't articulating it, he was communicating that you can do this, you can make a difference.
00:14:43.000So I just want to quickly make sure we're ever knows that we're gonna be I see people in the chat saying they're gonna go watch uh the address.
00:14:48.000We'll be having the address here as well.
00:14:50.000We'll be samulcasting from Charlie Kirk's count on X in a second here.
00:14:58.000So um I guess we should uh we should talk about a little bit about.
00:15:02.000Um I didn't want to jump into this too early, but one of the things that you're seeing a lot on the internet right now is the left is is disheveled and a mess.
00:15:39.000I've been dealing with this since the beginning of my career.
00:15:42.000I have dealt with physical assault attacks from the left, from violent extreme leftists.
00:15:47.000We call them the black bloc, back during Occupy Wall Street.
00:15:50.000This was covered extensively when I was actually championed by the left for documenting Occupy Wall Street, and I was physically attacked by leftists.
00:15:59.000Even to this day, the death threats that we receive, the security that I have to have every day is is it's tremendous.
00:16:07.000And I don't see the same thing among my liberal counterparts.
00:16:10.000They don't require the same degree of security.
00:16:12.000So it's it's it's a gaslighting campaign, in my opinion, because in order to maintain the lie that the right is more violent, they do several things.
00:16:20.000They try to gaslight us in situations like this that a conservative would shoot Charlie Kirk.
00:16:26.000He was the the greatest tool in the arsenal of conservative values.
00:16:29.000And they go online, they use these NGOs, these nonprofits, to claim that a run-of-the-mill, moderate conservative is the same thing as a white supremacist who wants to overthrow the government.
00:16:40.000They're so far removed from each other.
00:16:43.000That's the game they're playing now because they don't want to take responsibility for the rhetoric.
00:16:47.000The rhetoric they say every day when they accuse us of being Nazis or fascists or far right, they say this so that, as you've already pointed out, when the violence happens, no one likes a Nazi, right?
00:16:59.000I think the reality now that I've unfortunately had to deal with that we are all seeing is that this man who shot Charlie was much closer to mainstream Democrat than any of us wanted to believe.
00:17:09.000I I woke up to posts on Instagram from people that I thought were my friends that I have known for for years, and mind you, they're liberal, but I always considered them to be moderate liberals, not particularly active, and they're posting messages saying Charlie deserved it.
00:17:25.000And they know who I am, and they know that he was my friend, and I don't understand how these relationships can be repaired.
00:17:32.000Even uh friends of mine who are not political who are, you know, telling me I'm I'm sorry, you know, this happened, are telling they're saying on their Facebooks, there are people posting celebrating this that they didn't even realize were political, and I don't know how we recover from that.
00:17:50.000You're familiar with the internet, you're familiar with Antifa, you understand the militancy that you see and you encounter when you go into these precincts.
00:18:00.000This kid, raised with good parents, it seems like, lives a normal life in Utah.
00:18:10.000It's really hard to know, but I've talked about it quite a bit in my research.
00:18:15.000Uh I'll put it, I'll try and keep it as succinct as I can.
00:18:18.000The algorithms of social media starting in the late 2000s, in Lexus Nexus data, you can see the words like racism, white supremacy, fascism, skyrocket in their usage in mainstream newspapers and online publications.
00:18:32.000This was likely due to the big tech platforms prioritizing algorithmic feeds.
00:18:38.000That is, they were going to show you content that got more engagement.
00:18:41.000And to the average person, a story of injustice and racism generated anger.
00:18:46.000Anger mo is the most likely to generate a sh some uh content to be shared.
00:18:50.000It's the most likely to make someone share content.
00:18:52.000And so what we instantly saw were websites that were posting articles, say about politics, realize if they write about police brutality, racism, or some kind of social injustice, they will get substantially more clicks, shares, and in turn money.
00:19:09.000It was reported, Mike.com, for instance, originally started as a Ron Paul libertarian website, but as they began posting police brutality videos and made more money off it, the narrative shifted towards left-aligned ideology.
00:19:21.000Now, what do you think happens to a young man who is 13 years old on Facebook or on one of these other platforms, and the algorithm is showing them nothing but social injustice, leftist ideology, and they may be normal, they may be in a Christian conservative family, but every day they open their apps, whatever platform they be they be using, they see nothing over and over again.
00:19:44.000Racism, white supremacy, racism, over and over.
00:19:47.000And they see these messages from Democrats saying, we can't tolerate this.
00:19:52.000Eventually, their whole world, they live in a paranoid delusional state where they would accuse Charlie of being racist of advocating for slavery, exemplified in fact, by Stephen King posting that Charlie Kirk had advocated the stoning of gays, which he never did, And Stephen King was forced to apologize for.
00:20:11.000These ideas that they spread through lies and fake news are crazy.
00:20:56.000What to know about Nick Fuentes' alt-right movement.
00:20:58.000Now, the reason that they're talking about this at all is because they bel there are people out there trying to make the argument that this kid wasn't a leftist, that he didn't have any left-waning ideas, that the kid was actually so far right that he thought that Charlie Kirk was not far right enough.
00:21:18.000Even though these these same people that will make this argument are calling Charlie Clerk a Nazi, calling him a fascist, right?
00:21:26.000You don't get more far right than a f than a at least to a a normie.
00:21:30.000I know there are people out there that are gonna say, but horseshoe theory or or what have you.
00:21:33.000Some people had will say, well, Jonah Goldberg's book was right, and the the Nazis are actually left, and blah, blah, blah.
00:21:45.000I see someone out there, I don't know, just checking.
00:21:48.000It looks like he's just checking, yeah.
00:21:50.000Um but they they're saying that that this guy was so far right that he w thought that Charlie Kir Charlie Kirk wasn't far right enough, and they're saying that he was a a groper.
00:22:02.000So from Newsweek, the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has reignited attention on a longtime simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called Gruiper movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes.
00:22:16.000Kirk was shot and killed on September 10th during an appearance at Utah Valley University as authorities investigated the mode of online speculation is turned towards extremist factions that once targeted Kirk, specifically Fuentes Groiper army, which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical.
00:22:39.000Yeah, I uh I I I I want to take the opportunity to reach out to as many audiences as I could.
00:22:45.000Fox had reached out and uh earlier in the week, but I was obviously I said, look, I'm fortunately I'm busy, but uh they send it they they do these things with satellite trucks or cell phone trucks, basically.
00:22:55.000And so they I they had one on, and uh it was an it was an honor to be on the same day, you know, as as one of the voices to speak before Erica's gonna make her statement.
00:23:03.000And we're going on this Gruiper thing, but uh you made a really good point about the algorithmic thing.
00:23:08.000I know you've made it a lot of times that in in 2008 it was it was time sensitive feet.
00:23:12.000It was whatever the most recent, what how and then all of a sudden there's a switch to what's the most popular, and that just the beast spun out of control.
00:23:20.000It it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in that to the average person, what's popular has a lot to do with what the New York Times, CNN, or you know, Fox Entertainment decides.
00:23:29.000So if they say tonight we're gonna run with a football game, tomorrow everyone's talking about football.
00:23:34.000When it went to Facebook, they said, we'll do the same thing.
00:24:01.000Well, and there, and thereby that's actually created people that that will essentially say, look, if you're gonna call someone like Charlie Kirk a white supremacist, it doesn't matter.
00:24:12.000And I think that that's probably fed into why there are a small but possibly growing group of people that are like, yeah, I think that America should be just white people.
00:24:38.000I mean, uh is journalism is completely dead.
00:24:41.000Uh to your point, that was a brilliant analysis, by the way, because this this type of injection of that, it is it is it is done intentionally, and it's to increase uh likes and views, and and it's and you see that proliferation of that terminology.
00:25:04.000I've been I mean, just recently, the day before daily Charlie's assassination.
00:25:08.000I had uh one of our mainstream newspapers in Utah that accused me and Senator Mikeley of being racist, of being fascist, you know, Nazi puppet foot soldiers.
00:25:19.000And I had not thought about that before, Tim.
00:25:22.000Where we're just using that terminology.
00:25:57.000I first want to thank the local, state, and federal law enforce enforcement who worked tirelessly to capture my husband's assassin so that he can be brought to justice.
00:26:09.000I want to thank the first responders who struggled heroically.
00:31:12.000Charlie always said that if he ever ran for office, I know a lot of you asked if he ever was going to, but privately he told me if he ever did run for office that his top priority would be to revive the American family.
00:36:43.000My favorite, my favorite too, but my husband's favorite word in the English language was earn.
00:36:53.000He would call all of you to be people of action who earn the future America deserves.
00:37:02.000So to all of the young people who felt inspired by my husband's faith in hard work, all of you already know what Charlie would want you to do.
00:37:49.000And as my husband used to say in this room, every single day, if you want to get involved, the best way you can do that is going to tpusa.com.
00:37:57.000That's what he would say every day from this chair.
00:43:35.000It's an indescribable terror that doesn't seem possible or real, that this has come to our table.
00:43:47.000Everything always felt so far away and like something else.
00:43:51.000There are a lot of people that we know that are still when they're reading the news, and I can see it in their reporting, and they're friends of ours, and we respect them, but the reporting still shows to them Charlie was someone they had heard of who has who has died, who was killed.
00:44:07.000And I s you know, I I see the posts and they're putting the the reporting out, and I don't mean that anyway to be just disrespectful.
00:44:15.000Just that for those of us that knew Charlie who had been helped by Charlie, it uh it's it's it's particularly difficult.
00:45:28.000Charlie invited Ian onto his stage three times and helped us organize putting this together so that for all for all the things that people say about Ian and his views and what they think, the disagreements.
00:45:42.000Because I know, to be fair, I'm not trying to rag on Ian.
00:45:44.000It's the ones of the 20s, the people who love Ian and love his ideas.
00:45:50.000Charlie was very clearly often frustrated, much like everybody else's, but welcomed him every time to be on that stage in front of this audience to say what Ian had to say because Charlie was there to have that conversation with everybody.
00:46:09.000The proof is in the Ian being invited to Amphest to come on stage and and and be Ian.
00:46:16.000I felt like, and I this is not about me, but I felt like I lost my best debate partner.
00:46:21.000And I you're my best debate partner right now, but Charlie, I just something about him, man.
00:46:27.000Like I felt like if I could talk about Christianity, because you know I'm agnostic, but if anyone on earth I could get through, have a good deep understanding is with Charlie.
00:46:36.000I uh for those that are wondering while Erica was speaking, I was absolutely listening, and some I saw some people post that on my phone because I was looking for the Tim Castir IRL episode where we were invited to use Charlie's studio with the big Charlie Kirk show and Tim Cast IRL right above it.
00:46:54.000And he told us that if we came to Arizona, not only would he take care of everything to make sure we could be there and have us on stage, he would give us his own studio to use, his staff to run it, and he built us a studio at Turning Point USA so that we could be in Arizona for the week, do the show, and be a part of what he had built.
00:47:19.000I I'm seeing a lot of people so deeply moved.
00:47:22.000And uh I was talking to uh the mayor here just before the show started, and you were telling me your story about how Charlie helped you.
00:47:30.000And I I had realized everybody is so moved and saddened by this because Charlie treated everybody else like he was there to serve you, that you were you were more important.
00:47:43.000He'd be backstage before he's about to go on to thirty, I don't know how many 10, 5,000 people, and he just talked to me like a full-on engagement.
00:47:51.000To Ian of all people, you know, I don't know.
00:48:17.000And and what made it, you know, when she said that Charlie he he he had this right, this talent to be able to seek people out and say, you can do more.
00:48:26.000You've you maybe you think you can only do five percent.
00:48:32.000Um what made that particularly difficult too to watch from that very studio.
00:48:37.000You know, that's where I first met uh Charlie, and I I was showing you a picture of that um as she was speaking, and this was in right after the 4th of July in 2023, after I shortly after I'd announced my candidacy for U.S. Senate.
00:49:12.000You're gonna you're gonna be able to say no to the cabal.
00:49:15.000He looked me straight in the eye and he said, I I don't really know much about you, but I can tell right now that you've got that, and I want to endorse you.
00:49:37.000Uh, you know, I I Vivek Ramaswamy was was there right after me, so I gotta interact with him behind um behind the the stage.
00:49:47.000Um, and then President Trump came shortly thereafter.
00:49:49.000It was just he's just amazing, amazing individual.
00:49:52.000There are so many stories that I've heard from so many people that it seems impossible.
00:49:58.000The stories of when I met Charlie, he moved mountains for me.
00:50:03.000He fought real hard to make my life better, my success.
00:50:09.000It's it's it almost seems like there wasn't enough time in the world for Charlie to have been helping so many people.
00:50:15.000But I I I'm just everyone I meet is saying they're telling me these stories about how, you know, when I met Charlie, I had I was working on this, and he set time aside to come and help me.
00:50:24.000I was saying, uh, we were we were talking about before the show.
00:50:28.000We have a lot of friends in the industry, in politics, and they're friends.
00:50:32.000And I mean that with with all due respect.
00:50:34.000When they're available, when they're busy, I understand sometimes can't get a hold of them.
00:50:38.000Charlie always answered, always responded, and said, I'll take care of it.
00:50:42.000It it was I I don't know how he possibly did it.
00:50:45.000He must have been sitting there on his phone with his phone blowing up.
00:50:48.000There, there are people I'll text, I'll hear back from him three hours later, and I don't blame him for it, because even I'm busy, you know?
00:50:52.000Yeah, Charlie responds in a minute, like, I got you.
00:50:56.000You know, I want to one of the things that Tim says, and or the point that they're making here is how Charlie was was a servant.
00:51:04.000Can you can you talk a little bit about how that fits in with his Christian life?
00:51:08.000Because I mean, I I I understand it a little bit, but you're kind of like more religiously devout than than I have been in decades.
00:51:15.000So I I'd like your your input on that.
00:51:18.000I mean, uh it's it's you're you'd be hard pressed to find a better representative of Christ in the United States, certainly.
00:51:25.000I mean, you're hearing the stories of uh how many irons in the fire he had a people you're hearing stories from Ian of how gracious and kind he was to everybody and how hard of a worker he was, and the only thread that ties all of that together was his dedication to Christ.
00:51:39.000And I think over the the past few days, um I I think a lot of us have been feeling this pull to Christ, this feeling of ineptitude, this feeling of we can do more, and this feeling of introspection, and I think that's real, and I think that's raw, and I think everyone is feeling that.
00:51:58.000And I think that is the pull of Christ.
00:52:00.000And Charlie just emphasizes over and over again of how important it is to get right with Christ, because as Erica noted, um Charlie, the the first thing he heard um after that bullet ripped through his neck was um, well done, my good and faithful servant.
00:52:16.000Um so just lean into that pull, everyone's feeling.
00:52:24.000And to everyone at this table, Christ loves you so much.
00:52:26.000There's uh a very funny meme that I was uh that I've seen from 4chan.
00:52:32.000And uh I I said it this morning, I'll say it for those that are watching now, and it's uh it's a it's a funny green text story where someone said that uh and I'm paraphrasing, but you know the story that they're basically an incel.
00:52:44.000They're out of shape, they don't know what they're doing, and they decided one day to make a difference, so they go to the gym and they're overweight, have no idea how to exercise or what to do or how to improve themselves, and they're looking at the weight rack when a Chad walks over, super ripped, tall, dark, and handsome, and he looks at him and he says, Here, buddy, take these weights, let me show you how to do it.
00:53:04.000Teaches him how to how to use the weights, and he says, I want you to do, you know, a certain amount of reps of these, then talk to me and we'll focus on these other other weights, and uh let me know when you're done, and I'm gonna see you here tomorrow, right?
00:53:22.000But the the the the emotions uh exemplified in this, I think is very important, and it does relate to what Tate was saying, so let me explain.
00:53:31.000The the meaning conveyed is that someone had no leadership and didn't know how to be better, and for no reason, he sees this man who he views as having everything.
00:53:40.000Tall, dark and handsome and fit with the knowledge and knows how to do it, and there's no reason for that man to take time out of his day to go and help some guy who has no idea what he's doing.
00:53:48.000And he understood why men followed great leaders at that moment because that man set aside his time to help him be the best that he could be, and he didn't know what to do.
00:53:57.000I think Charlie embodies A lot of that idea for so many.
00:54:02.000I know that every time I saw a video from Charlie Kirk and I watched all of those videos, I was inspired.
00:54:12.000That's why I was going to go to a university to do very much what Charlie does because I wanted to be like Charlie.
00:54:50.000I I don't I don't know if this was through TP USA or not.
00:54:53.000I just was talking to some people who worked with TPUSA, and uh we were gonna go to a university, but it's not happening now.
00:55:02.000And uh these I know everyone's saying you can't be afraid, you can't let them win.
00:55:07.000These outdoor events pose not just a threat to me, but to the the people who might crowd around who might come to have those conversations.
00:55:16.000And so what I will say is we're assessing and trying to figure out how we go about continuing these kinds of these these these events.
00:55:23.000But what I will say is to what Tate was saying with Charlie is though he's gone, he uh he's actually, I mean, he may not be here physically to talk with us anymore, but Charlie Kirk has become immortal.
00:55:41.000Everything he has said on that matter, there are going to be many young people who look up to him like that story, my liege, somebody who took time out of their day and fought solely to serve you, and that's what it truly meant to be a leader.
00:55:56.000Many of these young men are going to have questions about how such a thing could have happened to such a good man.
00:56:03.000And I think many of them are gonna follow in his footsteps as as you're describing Tate.
00:56:08.000They're going to look at his message not just on self-improvement and a better world, but on faith.
00:56:13.000I think that Charlie's legacy, especially with the work of Erica maintaining growing, pushing TPUSA action and the organizations around the world.
00:56:24.000They're gonna be there is going to be a resurgence in Christianity.
00:56:30.000And this is coming from a non-Christian.
00:56:32.000Young men inspired, moved, looking for answers, are going to hear his message, and it's going to be effective and it's going to grow.
00:56:48.000Um he wanted to be able to follow Christ's example.
00:56:52.000And the the scripture that comes to my mind is in as much as you've done it onto the least of these, my brother, and you've done it unto me.
00:58:25.000I get like, I'll get away when she put her hand on his chair when Erica touched his chair.
00:58:30.000I just get waves of like that he's like re-remembering that he's passed on.
00:58:35.000Like re I I saw that and um I had talked about and remembered when he let us use his studio to do our show and he had his production staff for us.
00:58:51.000So it was uh Vivek Ramaswamy, it was Luke Rodkowski and Lauren Chen and and and it was my uh and I at the at this table with the big Charlie Kirk show.
00:59:02.000And right above it on the TV, Tim cast IRL, and it was a tremendous honor that Charlie said, You can you can sit in my seat.
00:59:12.000I it it it it's kind of it's kind of uh I I am humbled tremendously.
00:59:21.000Uh and it it it it's it's it's indescribable the honor that it is that I was able to that that he would allow me to use his studio.
00:59:30.000He humbled himself and it like made you have to humble yourself to be on his level in a way.
00:59:37.000I felt very humbled around him because he was so gracious of himself and his time.
00:59:43.000I think I keep thinking about America Fest.
01:00:34.000No, I mean, I just want to say, like, I mean, because you're 100% right, there is no conservative movement without Charlie Kirk.
01:00:40.000Like, he quite literally was the quarterback of the movement.
01:00:43.000So this isn't a matter of like, oh, okay, how do how do we move on?
01:00:47.000It's like we can't move on without him.
01:00:49.000So thankfully, Eric, like I said, I believe every word she said, I think she's gonna step up, and I think other people are gonna step up to fill that void because genuinely we we it's not one of these things where it's like, oh, that's sad, he's passed, you know, whatever, but it's like we legitimately as a movement cannot move on without him as our quarterback.
01:01:05.000And um it's just it's it's he's he's left a mandate for everyone.
01:01:09.000Everyone has to pull their weight, everyone and and Erica's gonna lead the charge.
01:01:17.000I would be very excited to see in this um school season as many prominent personalities as possible having having these events either with TP USA or TP USA style, engaging students.
01:01:33.000Obviously, we have to figure out how to make them secure, which is tough.
01:01:37.000Unfortunately, the first thought is bulletproof glass around the speaker tent, which is kind of sad, but if it enables the conversation and we can increase that impact tenfold, and uh I that would be incredible.
01:02:02.000Do you guys remember some of the earlier videos of Charlie going to these events?
01:02:05.000Yeah, I mean, there's like a dozen people standing around, and most of them are yelling at him.
01:02:09.000In the in the early videos, there's some people standing around, people walking by might stop and look and then come and talk and leave.
01:02:15.000And then as it became bigger and better and and Charlie began to expand, all of a sudden, when people found out he was gonna be there, they'd rush to be there and they'd surround the whole tent and stand there because they wanted to talk to Charlie, whether they liked him or disliked him.
01:02:31.000People there's videos of people walking away being like, I did it, I did it!
01:02:40.000You know, uh, we were talking about this earlier too.
01:02:43.000So much happening with Steven Crowder, I think was it was that you take telling me that Crowder pointed out the why why he stopped doing Change My Mind.
01:02:53.000Yeah, he was saying that uh he had to stop doing it because the escalation of violence.
01:02:58.000And he showed, you know, video clips of how people were they would steal stuff, they would attack stuff, they would threaten him or throw stuff at him.
01:03:07.000And that's that's it's it it is funny, you know.
01:03:10.000When I was on Jesse a moment ago, and the the left is trying to claim this guy's a right wing guy.
01:03:16.000And I'm like, isn't it funny that all of us in this space experience threats from the left, celebration from the left, the left explaining why we need to die, a guy who puts, hey, fascist catch on his bullet, and then as soon as it happens, they go, actually, that's a right winger.
01:03:33.000One of the points that I made earlier was they call Donald Trump or um they call Charlie Kirk a fascist, and at the same time, they're arguing that Charlie Kirk wasn't fascist enough, and so the guy that killed him was further right.
01:03:50.000As if you can get further it like it's not coherent.
01:03:54.000You know, and and I think that that's I mean, I think we all can see that that's typical of the left now.
01:04:00.000It's it's not that there's anything meaningful in most of the uh uh the arguments or accusations they make, it's just justifying their behavior.
01:04:06.000They don't call you a fascist because they believe you're a fascist.
01:04:10.000They call you a fascist to justify killing you.
01:04:15.000Don't ever let a good uh what is it, emergency go to waste.
01:04:18.000I've heard that sick phrase before, and maybe the media is doing that.
01:04:22.000Well, what I was gonna say is um my apologies uh to the mayor for missing the first portion of the show, and w uh just to say it up front, I am gonna be departing right now, but just to explain this has been one of the most stressful past several days of my life, my uh anxiety, which I am not a guy who is who experiences any kind of anxiety, it's just not me.
01:04:50.000But um my heart rate's been extremely high.
01:04:53.000Uh I've been I I I've I've eaten, but I feel sick every time.
01:04:59.000And uh it's just been an in tremendous workload over the past several days.
01:05:04.000So I definitely did not want to miss the opportunity to sit here with you, uh, Mayor Staggs.
01:05:10.000Um, you know, and also to to see Erica speak, but I feel like I got a vice squeezing my chest.
01:05:19.000I feel like um there's a pain in the back of my eyes.
01:05:23.000I feel like I'm gonna throw up every 10 seconds.
01:05:25.000I was telling Allison, my heart actually hurts, and it's like you gotta pull it open.
01:05:29.000You gotta work and stretch your heart.
01:05:31.000You should go give a car dealer some money.
01:05:33.000I don't know about that, but I I uh we we've, you know, aside uh on top of all of the things that everyone is obviously experiencing, we've got internal stuff, conversations happening, uh friends that are obviously freaking out.
01:05:49.000I need to calm down, I need to just kind of sit and stare and these past several days it has been with with no sleep.
01:05:58.000I I'll tell you what the hardest thing is basically almost crying every every two hours because my job is to read the news and I read it nonstop 24-7 all day every day.
01:06:10.000And this time I'm seeing Charlie's face every time, and half of it's good and half of it is is filling me with a blind rage.
01:06:17.000These things these people are posting is is is is so taxing and so draining on me.
01:06:22.000And some of them I considered my friends, which has really driven a knife through my chest.
01:06:28.000People that I that I used to hang out with 10 years ago posting on their on their Facebook pages that Charlie got what he deserved or things like that.
01:06:36.000And I've messaged some of these people politely saying this man was my friend, and they just ignore me.
01:06:42.000And they know that I can see what they've said, and it and it is it is it is I have no words for it to experience something from people that these are not far leftists, these are not hyper progressives, they're just your default lib from the city that have always been Democrats that I have known for a long time.
01:06:59.000Some of these people I have I have I have spent holidays with, and I see them post a video saying Charlie got what he deserved, and I have to see that every day as I'm trying to learn about what happened, and it is just a constant state of emotional, physical uh and physical pain and anxiety.
01:07:20.000Uh and so for that, I I I know we only have an hour left on this Friday night, but I actually wasn't wasn't even knowing if I was gonna make it tonight.
01:07:28.000Jesse Waters asked me to come on, and I wanted to take a I wanted to try and speak as much as I can on other platforms.
01:07:33.000I spoke to the press today about everything that was going on.
01:07:36.000Uh I spoke with some journalists to explain to them why this is happening and what it and what we've been experiencing for so long.
01:07:43.000When they act when when Cuomo says, you guys, I don't see you as victims because you give as good as you get.
01:09:09.000I'm just gonna sit back and kind of just chill out.
01:09:11.000And I I want to say thank you to everybody who's tuned in and watched and suck here with me and uh stick around to hang out with Phil and the mayor and and Ian and everybody else.
01:09:20.000And uh I have so much work that I still have to do.
01:09:25.000But I'm gonna try and take some time to relax.
01:09:37.000So um I think that we probably should jump back into what we were talking about earlier before uh before Tim came up because it's I think it's important, like Tim had said, you know, the left loves and has loved to make this point.
01:09:55.000They they've been saying, oh, well, you know, it's both sides.
01:09:58.000You know, the both sides are doing this, both sides are are doing this, or they'll try to falsely accuse the right of d of being, you know, doing that the right does 90% of blah blah blah.
01:10:09.000They they leave out the entire summer when the there were riots and all the people that were killed during the riots, they weren't killed because of leftists, they were killed because of something else or whatever.
01:10:21.000They don't talk about their own violence.
01:10:34.000So I was listening to Sean Spicer on Two Way today, which is uh Mark Halper and Sean Spicer and Dan Terrain, and he made a great point.
01:10:45.000And it was as if you know, Dan, who's a democratic strategist, he doesn't he wasn't really he didn't really understand what the right you know has experienced.
01:10:56.000Whether it be the IRS in 2012 going after the Tea Party groups, or once Donald Trump was started running, if you wore a Donald Trump hat, a make America great hat, make make America great again hat, you were likely to get assaulted.
01:11:15.000The right has had essentially they've had to keep their politics secret because there's been a significant number, and it's probably less so now, to be fair.
01:11:38.000So you you add all that stuff together, and then you throw in the fact that the left has been attacking people at protest or or at at on college campuses.
01:11:48.000Remember the the three or four years where Ben Shapiro and Milo Yannopoulos would go and try to speak at colleges and they would get assaulted.
01:11:59.000And then if they didn't get, you know, they would never really get their hands on Milo or or Ben.
01:12:06.000So they would just attack, you know, people that were there.
01:12:08.000And that's why you had the you know, the Proud Boys trying to defend themselves.
01:12:16.000Everybody a lot of people remember base stickman and the bike lock guy and all these people that were fighting with Antifa.
01:12:25.000And they had to stop because the police started arresting the people on the right.
01:12:29.000And it was never, you never had Democrats telling the left to stop.
01:12:34.000You never had Democrats saying, no, they need to stop this.
01:12:37.000You actually had Democrats encouraging this.
01:12:41.000Literally, Maxine Waters said some crazy thing.
01:12:44.000I I don't recall the quote off the top of my head, but it was Sweeton.
01:12:47.000She was saying if if you see the see any of these people out, and she was talking about p uh politicians.
01:12:52.000She wasn't talking about your average conservative, but it did trickle down to the average conservative.
01:12:56.000But she was saying if you see them out in a restaurant or out getting gas, you get in their face and you tell them that they're not welcome.
01:13:02.000So essentially saying the people on the right aren't allowed to exist in our society.
01:13:09.000If you go out and you make it known that you're or conservative or that you have politics that that venture from what the mainstream Democrats think is acceptable, then you're you're likely to be at the very least harangued and and people be shouting at you.
01:13:24.000And the left has totally ignored these things.
01:13:28.000We've had people come on this show or on the culture war.
01:13:31.000Luke Beasley, just swearing up and down that the Democrats never do anything, never do anything.
01:13:37.000And you Lisa Reynolds, our our booker, was on the show, and she was incensed.
01:13:43.000And that's the reason she was incensed because it's more than just you know, ha have there been murders on from the people on the left.
01:13:52.000It's that the right has had to keep their politics a secret or they'll get accosted.
01:13:58.000They have to keep their ideas hush hush, or else they risk losing their job.
01:14:02.000And this has been the way for ten years.
01:14:05.000So now you see Charlie get murdered, and the reason people on the right are so incensed is because all of this is coming to a head.
01:14:14.000They tried to get Donald Trump last year, and there was the two Democrats that were murdered in in Minnesota.
01:14:23.000But the right wasn't saying that's the right wasn't screaming about how great it was.
01:14:28.000The right wasn't making all the posts that the leftists have been making, make doing the dances and and making the merchandise, saying that's great.
01:14:36.000And people were making merchandise about Donald Trump too.
01:14:38.000They they they were lying about about the the ear um the bandage on his ear.
01:14:44.000They're saying that that nothing happened, or they'll they'll mock him.
01:14:46.000They were wearing their own bandages, mocking him.
01:14:49.000These things are and and now there's you know, there's literally there's I saw someone on X, there's a statue of Charlie that someone made.
01:14:59.000They they 3D printed it the moment he got shot, right?
01:15:03.000They they made a statue of him getting shot, and they're selling it.
01:15:07.000And the left think, oh, but it's both sides, but it's both sides.
01:15:14.000And I'm so sick and tired of hearing Democrats say, oh, well, Paul Pelosi.
01:15:20.000The guy that went after Paul Pelosi had a uh, I believe he had an RV, but there were Black Live Live Matters posters in it.
01:15:27.000There was all sorts of paraphernalia from all sorts of causes.
01:15:31.000And he was extreme from one spectrum to the other.
01:15:35.000And he did end up getting on to like MAGA stuff, but he was mentally ill that in a way that was not about his politics.
01:15:42.000Like he didn't go to Paul Pelosi because he was like, Oh, I'm gonna get Paul Pelosi because I really think that Paul Pelosi is a threat to Donald Trump.
01:15:51.000He was a nutback, but they love to bring it up and they love to say, Oh, this is see, Paul Pelosi was attacked, and so it's all the same.
01:15:58.000They ignore the shooter that shot up the congressional baseball field, they ignore all the attacks that happened during the summer of love, they ignore the fact that Donald Trump was was there were two at least possibly three attacks on towards Donald Trump, assassination attempts, and then when it's Charlie Kirk, they're just like, oh, both sides, man, and it just drives me nuts.
01:16:19.000They try to have have this equivalency right argument, and they are so intolerant, they are intolerant, they're murderous.
01:16:26.000And so I am tired myself of being lectured by the left that purport to have this monopoly on tolerance, they are the most intolerant group out there.
01:16:39.000Um there's so much hate that comes from them.
01:16:42.000There's all always so much restraint on the side of uh the right, and uh it's this has I and I people keep saying the phrase, but it it is a I hope a turning point.
01:17:00.000And um we will and that's why Charlie I think was so popular.
01:17:05.000Um he emboldened, he made it cool, like I said, for conservatism again to be on college campuses.
01:17:11.000He made, you know, one man standing up in courage can can create an army.
01:17:17.000Um he's given people license to go ahead and say, oh wow, okay, he's doing it.
01:17:23.000We can go ahead and follow follow that lead.
01:17:26.000Um and I think with what we heard from his wife tonight, uh this is only going to uh his influence, his his legacy is only gonna grow, and more and more people are going to start to stand forward.
01:17:39.000I I like what Tim said about he wants to see all these people uh of any uh popularity, yeah, right?
01:17:48.000Stand up and and start helping out the turning point chapters and um maybe even sponsoring it.
01:17:55.000That thought occurred to me, you know.
01:17:57.000I I want if my 15-year-old son didn't see this address tonight, I'm gonna make sure he sees it.
01:18:04.000Um because not only is it was it filled with um uh a a level of positivity we can get beyond, we we will be able to make it.
01:18:16.000I mean, if anybody can say what she's that's been through what she's been through, can have that outlook on life uh and that level of positivity.
01:18:29.000You know, oh, you're gonna say I'll just say, I mean, and I think what was so important is she made she made it so abundant and clear what time we're in and what time it is.
01:18:40.000I mean, if anything, the events have demonstrated that they're the left just wants to kill us.
01:18:46.000They just want to kill us, these leftists.
01:18:48.000But and and the thing about what's so frustrating is seeing people on the right, specifically elected officials tone policing the right and saying, Oh, well, we just need unity and peace.
01:18:58.000And I'm sitting there like, who is the partner for unity and peace right now?
01:19:02.000Because they've clearly demonstrated they want to.
01:20:15.000They're not there's no changing these people's minds.
01:20:17.000These are evil, evil people who want to destroy us.
01:20:20.000And that's why it's so frustrating seeing this rhetoric from our elected officials because it's like, no, we need to we need you to reco all these people.
01:20:27.000We need you to destroy this ideology forever because it's just gonna get more and more of us killed.
01:20:32.000We're not gonna we're not gonna come and unify and have this kumbayal moment.
01:21:56.000No, you need to believe these people when they tell you because they've demonstrated they'll kill you, and you have to incapacitate them before they act on it.
01:22:01.000Even so, and I agree you do want to preempt being killed, but people are allowed to say that.
01:22:07.000I'm not saying I'm saying destroy the ideology that's getting us killed.
01:22:30.000And and Donald Trump has said that they're looking into RICO cases for people like George Soros and other uh NGOs, and I want I want to see it.
01:23:02.000I I want to be careful though, uh, you know, Charlie Kirk, he still believed that, right?
01:23:07.000He believed that, and he said repeatedly that we need to be able to engage in dialogue because when you don't, when that political discourse stops, that's when you have violence.
01:23:18.000Now, we did see this atrocity and this assassination.
01:23:24.000Um I think the reason Charlie kept doing that, I mean he's 31 years old, he'd been doing this since he was 18 years old.
01:23:30.000He didn't need to be out there all the time on college campuses.
01:23:33.000I think he saw, though, the turning point.
01:23:36.000He saw that what we talked about at the beginning of the program, that 18 to 34-year-old cohort, you know, has become the most conservative in 50 years.
01:23:42.000He saw that because of his efforts, that was what has happened.
01:23:51.000There's uh a certain percentage are that are absolutely crazy.
01:23:56.000They are going to believe whatever they're going to believe.
01:23:59.000But I think what he's proven is that you were able to take a demographic that was going the wrong way with progressivism with socialism, and he was able to persuade enough that he was able to shift what they call like the Overton window, you know, and and get these people in.
01:24:18.000Um I think that's why he continued doing what he was doing.
01:24:21.000And um, you know, to the extent that as Tim was saying, we can uh we have a voice, I've got a platform, I've got a microphone in the office that I am, I am in.
01:24:42.000Um I'm with you is people need to stop lying.
01:24:45.000Yeah, freedom of speech is definitely there.
01:24:47.000I think Ian, that's what you're saying.
01:24:49.000People have freedom of speech, but there's a big difference between speaking uh political free speech and then outright just outright lying.
01:25:01.000Like defamation of people, defamation, libel, slander.
01:25:06.000I mean, President Trump has brought them before.
01:25:08.000If if you're out if you're saying this over and over, this person's a fascist, this person's a fascist, this person's a fascist, this person's a Nazi, this person's a Nazi, this person's a Nazi.
01:25:18.000The intent of that is to authorize violence.
01:25:22.000They then in the eyes of your everyday normal American that's not particularly politically plugged in.
01:25:32.000They look at Nazi and they think the worst bad guys of the 20th century.
01:26:29.000It was like a kind of a I'm saying is when you see a post with half a million likes where they're saying holding the same politics as Charlie Kirk warrants death, you believe those people when they say that and you act accordingly.
01:27:12.000There's a large chunk of the population, the sensible normal people who don't have the screw loose, who, yes, they they they are open-minded, they're willing to have a debate, that sort of thing.
01:27:21.000That's not the people I'm talking about.
01:27:22.000I'm talking these people on the fringe, or even these these liberals that are just radicalized, like Tim is alluding to, that have lost a sense of what the dignity of human life is like.
01:27:30.000Those are the sorts of people where look, you you need to believe them when they say what they're saying.
01:27:35.000Like these people aren't just trying to be bombastic.
01:27:37.000They genuinely believe that being critical of abortion and critical of gay marriage warrants death.
01:27:43.000That that's what they've said over and over again.
01:27:45.000And uh that the federal government has a mandate, like Phil's saying, I mean, just doing some basic legwork.
01:27:50.000I mean, I know it's difficult trying to reorient the entire Intel community because they've persecuted the right for so long.
01:27:56.000So I understand this takes time, but when there's lives on the line, we have to get moving.
01:28:00.000And to the people that will say, oh, well, they'll just use the government against against the conservatives, they already have, and I will say this, I will beat this dead horse.
01:28:13.000They have already used the DOJ against parents that wanted to go to PTA meetings and say, hey, I don't like that my kids are are seeing this stuff.
01:28:25.000They use the federal department of justice to investigate parents who said, I don't want my kids being taught this particular curriculum.
01:30:08.000Because some governments, if they they call it pacification, they'll put people down at it with an with weapons, and then they'll be like, we use the government to prevent pitfalls.
01:30:17.000Like I said, we have laws, and I want to see the government stay inside the law, but I want them to use all of the tools at their that are available.
01:30:28.000And that's why I'm very pro things like RICO laws and using RICO to go after the political, the NGOs and people that are trying to use their ideology to incite terrorist attacks.
01:30:52.000Well, and they knew that when you, and I I've said this over and over again, I mean, when you have a spokesperson as articulate as Charlie Kirk, that's a big fear.
01:31:01.000It strikes a big fear in the left because they have monopolized the educational system for so long.
01:31:08.000And you know, I talk about this in in in my book, where over 75% of all educators, quote unquote, are socialist or flat out Marxist.
01:31:19.000So they have controlled the educational system for so long, and Charlie knew it.
01:31:23.000We had to get in there to start changing hearts and minds.
01:31:31.000And and getting back to my point, they know that if you have um somebody who can articulate a conservative value set and juxtapose that with the nonsense that they have been spewing for decades.
01:31:46.000Not the screw loose people, but the rational people will look at that and go, you know what?
01:31:56.000Um they've just been hit over and over and over with that.
01:32:00.000As Tim was saying, I I had never thought about that angle of it, um, where the racism and the white supremacy and all that uh has been pushed and uh all in the aim of getting more people to share, because if you're angry, he said you're gonna share it more.
01:32:19.000Um, and then that that only enhances their their revenue stream.
01:32:23.000I mean, that was really, really eye-opening those statements and kind of get at the base of why they're doing this.
01:32:30.000Um but but if you can if you can have that uh free and open exchange of ideas, right?
01:32:36.000That's talking conservative and and liberal viewpoint, conservatives are gonna win.
01:32:40.000Well, I mean, it's beyond that, and that's 100% true.
01:32:43.000And and and the extra extra thing is with Kirk, the reason he was targeted was like you're saying, because he was so articulate because he was so effective.
01:32:51.000I mean, there's all these people online that are saying, but he was a moderate, why even bother?
01:33:18.000Who was more paradigm shifting than Charlie Kirk?
01:33:22.000That's why he was targeted, because like you said, he's the most articulate, he was the most effective.
01:33:27.000That's why, and that's that should be a model for every young guy, because you need to be very careful with how how you're carrying yourself.
01:33:34.000Use Kirk as an example of what an actual paradigm changer looks like.
01:33:39.000He was someone that he was someone that just stepped in the arena every day and pushed the football further down the field every single day.
01:33:44.000And he wasn't getting sidetracked with all this insanity.
01:33:47.000He wasn't getting himself in trouble, he wasn't getting himself put on lists.
01:33:50.000He was effective, focused, calculated, and prudent.
01:33:53.000And to follow up your football analogy, not every single play has to be a touchdown.
01:34:20.000Tim was here making a we were talking before the show, and Tim was talking about, you know, how he was talking about Deathcab for Cutie, a band that he likes, and he was like, So how did you guys do it?
01:34:30.000And And they said exactly what I did with all that remains.
01:34:34.000He's like, well, we just never stopped.
01:35:37.000And then you had Biden with the garbage comment, right?
01:35:39.000And that's when people they you have to know, you've got to go into it with the blinders off.
01:35:44.000Yes, move the football downfield, emulate the style of Charlie Kirk, be the happy warrior, get in there, engage in civil political discourse, um to the degree that you can, but at the same time, you've got to understand who you're dealing with.
01:36:01.000Understanding the enemy is my specialty, is one of the things I do because I think outside the box that's in the box.
01:36:07.000Um, and what's there's this guy, Chase Hughes, he's a behavioral scientist, he's on the behavioral panel on YouTube, great show, where was in the Navy for 20 years or something, behavioral expert.
01:36:17.000He says, Okay, the fringes, get ready.
01:36:19.000What's gonna happen is the media is gonna start showing you these people on the fringes.
01:36:22.000Doesn't matter, the left-right paradigm is the psyop.
01:36:25.000They're gonna show you people on the fringes, and they're gonna start telling you other, other enemy, other, and it's gonna be repeated, and it's these damn fringes, this one two percent of the population, if that, that's gonna be shoved down your throat.
01:37:11.000So you need to learn how to how to strip it away and feel naked without it.
01:37:16.000Yeah, I mean, like you guys are talking about knowing your enemy, you always have the you have to go back to late 2022 when Biden gave that speech in front of Independence Hall and in Philadelphia with the red lights behind him, and he got up there and he effectively declared MAGA Republicans as an insurgency as a threat to the he used the words a threat to the soul of the nation.
01:38:23.000I mean, in in the annals of history, when you look at that that speech, I mean, the people, the way it was framed, it was, you know, with the red and the red and the Star Wars esque.
01:38:42.000They were saying that was that was that was the the regime standing over MAGA and the ring, chest beating, thinking that we are down for the count.
01:38:51.000And and and guy and guys like Charlie Kirk, they just got back, they got back up and they and now look where we are now.
01:39:13.000We have communist China, they're not Marxists.
01:39:15.000And so we've basically this liberal economic order that's built to destroy communism is no longer needed.
01:39:20.000We we it it and but it's like a hammer looking for a nail.
01:39:23.000It's like we gotta we gotta find the end, we gotta destroy comedy.
01:39:26.000What would you say is going on in Europe right now, then um in what in what sense?
01:39:33.000Well, I mean, the the way that they're behaving, right?
01:39:37.000The way that the Europeans are behaving, it doesn't seem like they care much for liberalism, democracy, or any of the things that they're intend that they would ostensibly say they do.
01:39:50.000I think that the order that that's controlling the media apparatus, the liberal economic order, is is like a dying vestige of a system that we don't need.
01:39:58.000Like taking over the world militarily was their goal.
01:40:01.000It was a military victory, and they figured out, oh, we can't do it.
01:40:08.000China and Russia are too independent, India's too independent.
01:40:11.000So they're still but but aspects of it are still trying to control the world through military force and importing, you know, villains to sh clamp down on their populism.
01:40:23.000Yeah, I mean, this it's part of the the whole NATO argument, too, right?
01:40:26.000It's uh the hammer and nail uh concept because NATO, what was it built for to go ahead and deter communism from continuing the the the Russia march into Eastern Europe, and then 89 happens.
01:40:38.000Um and I in in part of the research my book too, I was shocked.
01:40:43.000We've spent twenty-two trillion dollars, the U.S. in NATO since its inception, if you did not know that.
01:40:52.000President Trump, thank goodness, gets in there again, he's like, look, this is nonsense.
01:40:58.000You're going from two percent to five percent, right?
01:41:00.000And countries are now starting uh to hopefully take care of their own uh defense.
01:41:06.000Um that's been the issue, you know, for fr uh uh at the front was uh with Ukraine uh on that war with respect to NATO and entering NATO and all that.
01:41:18.000But uh that's I I I I hear what you're saying.
01:41:22.000Um that that liberal economic order, um, you're talking Bretton Woods, you know, post-World War II, uh, that was that was stood up.
01:41:30.000You know, perhaps there's something uh there's something there to it.
01:41:34.000But I uh this is uh this is time for all of us to stand up.
01:41:40.000You know, I was just sitting there checking my phone, I I I saw some text messages come in flooding in.
01:41:46.000Uh people love the fact that I'm on Timcast, by the way.
01:41:50.000Um but they they said, look, one person, a friend of mine in particular said, I am done.
01:41:55.000And this is somebody I would have never expected to make these comments, right?
01:41:58.000Just based on they watched, they watched the show tonight, they watched Erica, and he said, quote, I am done being the silent part of the silent majority.
01:42:32.000Gloves off, we want to move the ball down the field, we know what time it is, we're awake, we know who we're dealing with, these monsters that want to dehumanize us that view us as garbage, and given the opportunity, right, as you pointed out, they are gonna wield the levers of governmental power as far as they possibly can.
01:42:57.000There's no question that when uh when the Democrats get back in power, if there has not been a significant cultural change in the United States, they absolutely will use the levers of government against their political rivals.
01:43:14.000You know what you when you were saying like the we need to encourage the government to you know tamp this thing down, the the violent rhetoric, um, that the imagery you said there a shirt was printed of Charlie with the his neck wheel.
01:43:27.000Someone 3D printed a statue Of Charlie when he like the moment he was shot.
01:43:38.000Like you might be able to consider that illegal.
01:43:40.000It's not just saying it's like showing the imagery of someone getting killed over and over again when it that's kind of like if someone made a deep fake of me getting killed and they put it on the internet and they played it over and over.
01:43:50.000I feel like I I would like a legal recourse to have that taken down.
01:43:53.000Well, listen, um, it's getting a little late, so we're gonna go to super chats now.
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01:44:05.000There's no after show tonight, uh, because it's Friday, but we will be back on Monday with uh hopefully more positive news and stuff.
01:44:14.000But for right now, we are going to read some of your super chats.
01:44:21.000From Billy the Crayon says, I put up flyers today around my school with a picture of Charlie Kirk asking for prayers for him and his family.
01:44:29.000They were immediately taken down, and now I'm facing retaliation from the school.
01:44:34.000My school is a certain aeronautic school in New York City.
01:45:11.000Because this is where we need to um, you know, we were talking about it earlier, where we need to be able to call these people out, these so-called administrators, these so-called educators.
01:45:22.000Um and and you know, the the the longer game here is to ensure that we have school choice, that we end up getting out of just the monopoly that is government runs schools.
01:45:36.000Um, they've been so far infiltrated with uh with these types of individuals that I it it's we've got to start voting with our feet.
01:45:46.000And I'm talking about parents and standing up and uh having the ability to get their kids out of out of hell holes like that.
01:46:00.000Said uh the killing of Charlie Kirk reminded me of this quote.
01:46:04.000I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.
01:46:09.000I tell you what, if if Erica's speech is anything to go by, uh, I think that you might be right, or that quote might be you know correct about our situation.
01:46:58.000Mao tried to end all the old Chinese history and said, I went to high school in Singapore, so I know all the old Chinese stuff, but that's very different than China.
01:47:04.000It's not the same thing, but uh, yeah, anyways.
01:47:14.000Uh Traitor Potato said, Of course, the demons on the left are celebrating the death of a great man, a sobering reminder of the spiritual war that we're all in.
01:47:24.000My prayer is when I die, all of hell rejoices that I am out of the fight.
01:47:58.000I do think that that's probably, or that would probably be a good thing.
01:48:02.000Uh you're gonna have a whole lot of wine moms that are gonna be pushing back.
01:48:08.000So we have our work cut out for us, but take heart, because there was a long time where people thought there is no way Roe versus Wade is ever getting overturned.
01:48:18.000That is settled law and blah, blah, blah.
01:48:21.000I don't know the the specifics around no fault divorce.
01:48:28.000It was a poorly decided, it was a poor it was a bad decision, and they were just justifying their decision because they wanted to they wanted to make that decision.
01:48:38.000And when you actually look at the particulars of the case, it was a it was badly decided.
01:48:44.000So uh that's part of why Roe actually got turned over.
01:48:47.000Yeah, it's and it's led to the destabilization of the family, this whole no fault divorce.
01:48:51.000That's it's it's been exp exponential since then.
01:48:55.000We started out in the 1950s around 10% um of uh households or or children growing up in single parent households, it went up to 30 percent uh in some communities like the African American community, it's over sixty percent.
01:49:09.000You know, my my friend in Congressman Burgess Owens talks about this all the time when he grew up in the era he said of Jim Crow in the Deep South, you know, the black community were small business owners that was taught um the family, marriage that was talked about all the time, and it was also celebrated, and it isn't today.
01:49:30.000And Charlie, in his messaging in a college campuses, you could hear him say that, you know, you talk about the woman actually marrying the government, right?
01:49:38.000Yeah, that was by design is that they in the 1960s they basically rolled out all these programs that made it economically more advantageous, sadly, for uh people to get divorced and uh women to be on um uh you know assistance, and uh that that has truly uh been a tragedy in terms of policy.
01:49:59.000I have a friend that worked with like domestic abuse survivors, and she was like, I was like, should we get rid of no fault divorce?
01:50:05.000Because it seems to me like it had destroyed the like people's faith in each other, like maybe she's gonna be gone tomorrow.
01:50:10.000She's like, No, we cannot get rid of no fault divorce because the amount of abuse that women suffered before that and would if they weren't able to leave and they can't prove it in court that he hit her or that he's threatening her.
01:50:25.000Well, I don't think so, given the uh the domestic violence uh uh statutes that are in place right now.
01:50:32.000I know that I'm somewhat familiar with um being a mayor, being the chief law enforcement officer of my community, and uh sadly, yeah, we do get a lot of cases for domestic violence and um you know those uh those things are outlined pretty well to well I I think today that that might not not cause uh I mean they do have cell phones, like a woman can just kick her phone, record it and put it in the drawer, you know, if it's really going down, but then you can deepfake it.
01:51:00.000The one gamer says the worst thing to do is respond violently.
01:51:03.000Don't destroy what Charlie helped build by being violent.
01:51:08.000That's why we're advocating for the government to do it.
01:51:11.000We want to see the federal government who has the monopoly on violence to fix the problem because what we're seeing now is people taking the problem into their own hands, shooting at Trump, killing the uh democratic lawmakers in Minnesota, and then killing Charlie Kirk.
01:51:33.000That's what happens when people take the initiative and and think I can fix this.
01:51:39.000What we want is the federal government to use its vast power and to look for ways to prevent these things from happening and to take apart the organizations that spread this ideology because those organizations have a desire to destroy the United States.
01:52:07.000They don't believe in our Republican form of government.
01:52:09.000They want to see a different form of government, and that is an attack on not just the federal government, but that's an attack on the American people.
01:52:19.000We have a right to Republican government.
01:52:23.000And we have not decided as a population that we want to change that form of of government.
01:52:29.000So we want the federal government to defend us from those that would destroy our way of life.
01:52:35.000You know, with Palant the rise of Palantir and the spy network that's being built with i cause when Charlie, after they were like, what how was it the shooters at large, then all the security footage came out was like, thank God we got security footage.
01:52:47.000And then like it's like I'm begging for the security state.
01:52:50.000Like this this apparatus that's being built around us is it 'cause it will prevent crime, but if you need to break an evil law, can't really do it if everybody's spying on you twenty four seven.
01:53:03.000It just feels like that's the the path that if we're like let the government fix it, they're gonna be like spy tech everywhere.
01:53:08.000Well I mean we actually do have the ability to choose a different path.
01:53:14.000We can use the levers of pressure on the government.
01:53:19.000Look, Donald Trump is extremely responsive, right?
01:53:22.000When he is he is proposing a policy and if the American people are like no no and there are enough people making noise he will actually re you know he will rethink the policy and see and he will look for stuff that actually seems popular.
01:53:38.000Now whether or not the American people know the right go ahead well I I think to Tate's point, right, it's it's these Rico cases, it's defunding these malactors, um the system that you referred to Ian where you may have uh these systems that are monetizing um sowing all this discord, right?
01:53:58.000To the extent the government can prevent that from happening I think is um is something that is not only within their purview but something that I think that that should be done.
01:54:08.000That's what they're that's what I'm hearing them say.
01:54:10.000I gotta ask you this good question because you're the chief law enforcement enforcement officer of your city.
01:54:15.000And so I talk a lot about law and chaos, order and chaos and then also good and evil.
01:54:19.000And sometimes you have law that's evil and chaos that's good, like Robin Hood or something.
01:54:24.000How do you as the law as the chief enforcement officer how do you handle that?
01:54:27.000Like if you believe a law might be evil do you feel a duty to break that law to and do the good thing to violate the law.
01:54:35.000But but your duty is to uphold the law.
01:54:37.000So like what do you do well this this is uh getting to why moral governments uh in my book I've got six pillars you know I I say the whole thesis of it heirs of the revolution um by Trent Staggs by me.
01:54:53.000is we need, because of President Trump's victory, we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get back to the level of government that our founders bequeathed us.
01:55:01.000That's why it's heirs of the revolution.
01:55:02.000And I actually cite JFK in his inaugural address, a Democrat, I did it intentionally, that he actually said, used that phrase, heirs of the revolution.
01:55:11.000He understood that we had inalienable rights, life, liberty, property, control acquisition of property is the pursuit of happiness, that these are inalienable.
01:55:20.000They come from our creator, he said, and not from the, quote, generosity of the state.
01:55:24.000And that was so unique about the America American experiment um and that is why all law is really moral because any law that you have ultimately the punishment of takes away life liberty property.
01:55:42.000And that's why we need to have a moral basis.
01:55:44.000And so one of my six pillars is not just restoring citizenship, elections, it's restoring moral governance.
01:55:50.000That's why John Adams had said that our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate to any other.
01:56:09.000But you said if you break, the law has to be good because if you break it, you will lose your property.
01:56:15.000But that sounds like, but what if the law is some horrible, evil law that got passed?
01:56:21.000like the Nazi regime and then you're like what do I think we still have a constitution that limits the government.
01:56:26.000We still have and states have constitutions th as well.
01:56:29.000So yes you do you do have to be wary of bad laws but they also have to stand up to constitutional scrutiny of the states and of the federal government.
01:56:39.000The federal government is limited by the Bill of Rights in in spec specific things um but it's all also the the powers that it does have are outlined in the Constitution.
01:56:52.000So well first then I guess to answer my question you appeal to the federal constitution.
01:56:56.000Not necessarily you can start with the state level because all the states have a constitution as well.
01:56:59.000And then You just pray that the Constitution is good or we we constantly amend it to make sure it's always up to par so that we can well like if if some lawmakers were like we passed the new bill and now we're gonna do evil thing and you're like then you can then you can appeal to judges and then if the judge in the district court that you uh are appealing to say no we're gonna uphold this law you then can appeal to the higher court and so on.
01:58:49.000We have been trying to figure out how we can stop the the terrible things that are laying in front of us if we don't change, you know, if there's isn't some kind of change.
01:59:02.000And I think that it has to be societal.
01:59:04.000Tim's talked about changing the culture, you know, and and that being an important way.
01:59:08.000And it's true, and it's it's working, because if it wasn't working, people would still be afraid to to go out in public wearing a Donald Trump hat, or people wouldn't have been uh courageous enough to vote for Donald Trump.
01:59:21.000So it's working, but it's a slow process.
01:59:24.000So hopefully uh we can make the changes we need before things get too bad.
02:00:17.000That's what Charlie would want, and anybody that knows anything about Christianity knows that Christ would say forgive him.
02:00:23.000And if if the killer repents and says, Hey, look, I know what I did was wrong, and and I'm throwing myself at the Lord at the mercy of the Lord, he would forgive him.
02:00:36.000But humans aren't the Lord, and we have a justice system, and the justice system is going to you know, going to run its course.
02:00:45.000Well, that's why murder is so difficult, because the restitution component of the repentance process.
02:00:50.000Yes, how do you make restitution for somebody once their life is gone?
02:00:54.000Yeah, that's what they call biblical justice with respect to um this in particular.
02:00:59.000Um right, we're gonna go ahead and read one more.
02:01:13.000Uh Ken A says, based on Tim's waters appearance, sounds like we need to get people spending time online posing, behaving as kids and see what gets sent their way, treat this like people online catching predators.
02:01:28.000I mean, I don't have a particular problem.
02:01:30.000Like I don't have a principled problem against trying to lure out criminals.
02:01:38.000I think that it's fine when when people do it with predators.
02:01:40.000I don't know that it would be particularly efficacious, though.
02:01:46.000Like, I don't know that it's going to produce the results you want.
02:01:50.000Because as much as much as we want to find the people that might commit crime, like committed a violent act, they in a country of 350 million or 330 million, they are still fairly you know, fairly rare when you're dealing with political violence.
02:02:11.000When you're when you're talking about political violence, it's it's not something that that's particularly common.
02:02:15.000Now, obviously, as the temperature is raised, it is becoming more common, and we don't want to see them become more common, but it has.
02:02:41.000Well, I any any way we can uh root out evil, um I uh boy.
02:02:49.000That is that is something that we need to be able to definitely be able to do.
02:02:54.000Um But that's I I've I've seen that uh I've seen like the ICAC program that our police department participates in with others.
02:03:04.000Um it is it is just rather alarming the extent to which uh some people go and actually commit those types of uh those types of crimes.
02:03:14.000But I I think what I was hearing from Tim though uh on the on the water show was uh Jesse Waters was that we need to be able to have um uh understand where the sowing the seeds of contention are coming from, and a lot of it seemingly is much more systemic than we we thought, and it's it it because there is this revenue or profit motive on the part of some of this big tech.
02:03:39.000It's they found that we're driving and they're able to share more so uh angry posts and they try to incite that type of uh that type of anger uh and reaction from folks.
02:03:52.000Um so I I know there's a lot of lawsuits from the various states, even Utah has been suing a lot of the social media channels and el and others um for a lot, a lot of this addictive type of behavior that the social media companies have been really propagating on the American people for so long.
02:04:19.000Uh the one that was above it one second here.
02:04:21.000This one right here, I think from Jonathan McCormick.
02:04:24.000Jonathan McCormick says Charlie lived a life publicly that many of us strive to live every day.
02:04:30.000Being a good father, a loving husband, strong in faith, having the courage to share and debate ideas, proclaim Christ, and they killed him for it.
02:04:40.000I mean, all of those are legitimate reasons as to why it's so painful.
02:04:44.000Uh there's I I can't say that you know there aren't other reasons that I think it it's particularly painful, but I I think that everything you said is right on the money.
02:04:56.000I think that's something that said was they killed him.
02:04:59.000I've been hearing this a lot that they killed Charlie.
02:05:01.000And I'm like, it was a guy, but and then I'm starting to think of the algorithmic incitation where it makes people crazy.
02:05:14.000Well, I think I I think yes, it was one guy, it one one shooter in particular.
02:05:19.000But I I have to think, and coming from Utah and knowing uh the the people in Washington County, like this guy came from Washington City and then went up to Utah State University, it's what we were talking about, how the educational system, particularly higher education, is a cesspool of woke indoctrination.
02:05:39.000So I think the they perhaps when people are referring to that, at least what I think of, is all those that contributed to the indoctrination.
02:05:52.00022 years old, that he thinks somehow over the course of just a short period of time as he goes into university.
02:05:59.000Like what's going through his mind and get him to that stage that he thinks it's okay to go place himself on a rooftop, get a.30-06 bolt-action rifle and shoot somebody who, as this person, this viewer has said, was such a great, great person that all they did was try to espouse.
02:06:29.000You know, Christianity and open free debate, exchange of ideas, they killed him for it.
02:06:35.000And that's what he said makes it so painful, and I agree.
02:06:38.000But I think the they is this, you know, how this kid got radicalized and went from what I can't believe that he was that way early on in his earlier years.
02:07:35.000As Erica indicated, I think we need to seek out God's help without a doubt.
02:07:40.000We need, we need the comfort of the Holy Spirit right now.
02:07:44.000That's what it's there for and intended to do and to be able to comfort us and get us through such challenging times.
02:07:50.000But I'm really grateful for the show and all that you guys are doing too, to bring about this type of societal change and to get us back into a majority conservative state.
02:08:07.000Yeah, the, the book that I, that I wrote, Heirs of the Revolution, which Charlie Kirk has had endorsed.
02:08:14.000I tell you, he's such a remarkable guy.
02:08:17.000And Tim and I were talking about this earlier that whenever he would reach out, you know, Charlie would instantly respond.
02:08:25.000You know, I'm fortunate enough to have great friends like Charlie Kirk, like Cash Patel, Carrie Lake, Senator Mike Lee that have all endorsed this book.
02:08:34.000It's, it's very short by design, only about 170 pages.
02:08:37.000I don't like some of these books that could, you know, are so, so cumbersome to get through, but.
02:08:42.000it really is a roadmap on how we get back to the Republic because what I heard over and over again um when I was campaigning uh when I went around to national events the levels of freedom and liberty that we were given by our founders back in 1787 with the with the Constitution is not the same that we have today.
02:09:05.000I think any objective person observer would agree with that statement um because we have had so much uh regulation and taxation and everything else that's been burdening us over the course of the past um you know 250 years now and mostly in the last a hundred but this is a roadmap to how we get back to that level of freedom.
02:09:27.000I don't think we need another revolution I think we need a restoration.
02:09:57.000And about the fuel sources and how $36 trillion in debt if your fuel costs one-tenth the cost, maybe it's only $3.6 trillion in debt.
02:10:03.000in real good to see you man thanks for coming brother and thanks Phil and Tate and Serge always a pleasure Surge hey guys thanks for being here this week and and every day thank you very much I'm Ian Crosslin.
02:10:16.000See you later guys um yeah yeah uh Christ saves Charlie reiterated reiterated that over and over again um and once again I know I know I'm speaking to someone in particular but you you felt the pull of Christ these last few days.
02:10:32.000It's been a really tough emotional few days for everyone.
02:10:38.000Um so yeah, you feel free to message me.
02:10:41.000I won't be able to get to every message probably, but if if you've been struggling with with your with the state of your soul or have questions about salvation, you know, we're all figuring it out, obviously.
02:10:51.000But um Christ is the way, Christ saves.
02:10:54.000Um so yeah, you can follow me on on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown.