Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Erika Kirk CANCELS TPUSA Event With Vance Over SERIOUS THREATS | Timcast IRL

00:02:29.000 JD Vance is speaking at a Turning Point USA event, but Erica Kirk has backed out, citing very serious security risks, threats to her safety.

00:02:39.000 And many people are asking, well, then why would the vice president go?

00:02:43.000 It's not safe for you, but it's safe for him.

00:02:45.000 And there's a lot to break down here, but I think this story matters because it's the shape of our political landscape right now, what's going to come from this.

00:02:55.000 With the midterms coming up, Turning Point USA, basically a pariah, But the right is split with half the people who once supported it now attacking it, liberals joining in.

00:03:07.000 And this is the organization that got young people to support Donald Trump and the Republican Party in 2024.

00:03:14.000 And now they've largely lost this.

00:03:17.000 Even JD Vance saying at the event, I know that young people don't support this, they are losing this vote.

00:03:23.000 Trump is also sinking with white working class voters.

00:03:25.000 So let's figure out what's going on with why Eric Kirk is being threatened with death constantly.

00:03:30.000 I think most of you know why.

00:03:31.000 Then, of course, we've got the Swalwell.

00:03:34.000 Another accuser has come forward saying that he not only forced himself upon her, but he drugged her as well.

00:03:39.000 And LA has launched a criminal investigation.

00:03:42.000 So it looks like Swellwell's not just going to be dropping out of the California governor's race, not just resigning from Congress.

00:03:48.000 He may actually be signing up for prison, and not even in just in California, maybe even New York as well. 0.96

00:03:54.000 Holy crap.

00:03:55.000 And Tony Gonzalez resigned, but, you know, whatever about that. 0.92

00:04:00.000 So we'll talk about that, plus a bunch of other weird stuff's going on.

00:04:03.000 Guys, you know, in talking about this Erica Kirk stuff, I have to point out.

00:04:08.000 I don't know if it's a mass formation psychosis forming against Donald Trump or it's a coordinated effort, but there are a bunch of fake posts just lying about Trump in the weirdest of ways.

00:04:19.000 Not too dissimilar to back when, you remember when Trump threw the fish food into the koi pond with Shinzo Abe?

00:04:25.000 ABC, I think it was ABC, they cropped the image, zoomed in on Trump, so it looked like he just, of his own volition, threw it in.

00:04:32.000 Whereas the real story was that Shinzo Abe did it first, Trump said, okay, and then followed suit.

00:04:36.000 The media then attacked Trump for being uncouth.

00:04:39.000 Well, there's this weird claim that Trump was booed at UFC.

00:04:43.000 Every, I should say, but tons of people are repeating this.

00:04:46.000 And you can listen to the video.

00:04:47.000 Trump was not booed.

00:04:49.000 I mean, maybe by one person, but you can't hear anything.

00:04:51.000 So, what is this seemingly widespread claim that Trump is getting booed when he clearly was not?

00:04:59.000 It seems fake.

00:05:00.000 It seems like people are just grifting for clicks.

00:05:03.000 And I've got thoughts on this, of course.

00:05:04.000 We'll get into that.

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00:07:11.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we've got Tom Renz.

00:07:15.000 Hey, thanks for having me, Tim.

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00:07:30.000 Oh, it's getting worse.

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00:07:37.000 This is partly why I want to talk about the Erica Kirk stuff because I think this is a principal component as to what's going on.

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00:07:55.000 It's good to have you all here today.

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00:07:58.000 Let's get into it.

00:07:59.000 Here's a story from the Daily Mail Erica Kirk backs out of TPUSA event with JD Vance at last minute due to unknown threats, vice president says.

00:08:09.000 The interview with Vance at the University of Georgia was part of the nonprofit organization's tour to excite young conservative voters out of the midterm elections.

00:08:15.000 Vance said Erica consulted with him ahead of time about these threats.

00:08:19.000 Ultimately, she decided to miss the rally.

00:08:21.000 Quote, I love Erica, and I know that she did get some threats, Vance said on stage.

00:08:26.000 About two hours ago, I was a little worried that we were going to have to cancel the event because Erica was not going to come, and she was very worried about it.

00:08:32.000 After Vance consulted with the Secret Service, he's had to go on with the event without Erica.

00:08:36.000 No further information about the threats has been released.

00:08:38.000 The Daily Mail approached the White House for comment.

00:08:40.000 So I've got a couple tweets.

00:08:41.000 I think we should.

00:08:43.000 I don't know if I had the one from Vance actually pulled up.

00:08:46.000 It's from Erica.

00:08:46.000 We do, actually.

00:08:47.000 I want to play this clip real quick of what JD Vance said.

00:08:51.000 If the audio is.

00:08:54.000 Mr. Vice President, I'm on stage here instead of our friend Erica Kirk.

00:08:57.000 That's right.

00:08:59.000 Because unfortunately, she has received some very serious threats in her direction, which is terrible.

00:09:07.000 It's a terrible reflection on the state of reality and the state of the country.

00:09:11.000 Mr. Vice President, I'm on stage.

00:09:13.000 So, of course, Fox News reporting it.

00:09:16.000 Erica Kirk says, I was so looking forward to tonight's event at the University of Georgia with our Vice President in advance, but after our family is all.

00:09:22.000 All our family has been through.

00:09:23.000 I take my security team's recommendation extremely seriously.

00:09:26.000 Thank you to our amazing Georgia chapter for your support.

00:09:28.000 God bless you all.

00:09:29.000 And we've got this tweet from everyone's favorite, Candace Owens.

00:09:33.000 She said, Erica Kirk pulled out of the event last minute with Vice President Vance, citing threats.

00:09:37.000 This is PR horse ish, obviously.

00:09:40.000 He is now doing the event alone at the University of Georgia.

00:09:43.000 I mean, that's not true.

00:09:44.000 He's with Colvet.

00:09:46.000 What do we think is the real reason she pulled out?

00:09:50.000 Probably just security threats, to be honest.

00:09:52.000 There is a funny response, though.

00:09:54.000 Danny Diggs responds saying, Erica is getting threats, so let's not have her go, but let's definitely still send the VP.

00:10:00.000 These people are, what's the right word?

00:10:00.000 What?

00:10:04.000 I'm going to be polite. 1.00

00:10:05.000 Developmentally disabled or dishonest. 1.00

00:10:09.000 The reason why is right off the top of my head. 1.00

00:10:12.000 Ask me why Erica Kirk did not go and JD Vance did.

00:10:16.000 And I can give you a handful of reasons.

00:10:18.000 One, the threats are against her family. 0.99

00:10:20.000 She doesn't want her family to be involved.

00:10:22.000 She doesn't want to travel without her kids. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Million and one reasons.

00:10:25.000 Number two, the threats aren't targeting the venue.

00:10:28.000 They're targeting maybe her home, route of travel, her vehicles.

00:10:32.000 Maybe someone sent her a threat saying they put a bomb on her car.

00:10:35.000 So she says, OK, can we go?

00:10:37.000 And they're like, we'll have to get a different vehicle for you.

00:10:38.000 And she's like, we have to leave now. 0.66

00:10:40.000 She's like, screw it.

00:10:41.000 I think we better just not go.

00:10:42.000 This is weird.

00:10:43.000 Maybe there was a threat at her home.

00:10:45.000 And they said, Miss Kirk, we're going to have to bring you out and do a sweep of the property.

00:10:49.000 This has happened to us.

00:10:50.000 These people act like they have no idea what's going on.

00:10:53.000 It's like that Millennial Woes meme where he said, The problem with discourse is that leftists, what is the quote?

00:10:58.000 Leftists pretend not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

00:11:02.000 These people know full well there's a million and one reasons why JD Vance would go and she would not.

00:11:07.000 Least of all is that she doesn't have Secret Service protection.

00:11:10.000 But the obvious being, maybe they did not threaten the venue. 0.96

00:11:14.000 It's just, we are going to lose the midterms, and Candace Owens is doing it intentionally. 0.91

00:11:19.000 Fine. 0.90

00:11:20.000 Whatever. 0.96

00:11:21.000 Democrats are going to win. 1.00

00:11:22.000 They're going to lop off kids' balls. 0.99

00:11:24.000 They're going to raise your taxes. 0.98

00:11:26.000 They're going to take all your guns away.

00:11:27.000 They're going to do all of these things that people have been freaking out about. 0.99

00:11:30.000 They're already bringing back weird woke garbage.

00:11:33.000 They know that they're going to move back in, and Candace Owens is personally responsible because several months ago, after Charlie Cook was murdered, and she started making insinuations that Erica did it. 0.96

00:11:46.000 I said, this is demoralizing.

00:11:48.000 It's pissing people off.

00:11:49.000 They're turning off.

00:11:50.000 They're tuning out.

00:11:51.000 They're not going to show up.

00:11:52.000 We're going to lose the midterms.

00:11:54.000 And she personally responded saying, We don't care about your midterms.

00:12:00.000 Okay.

00:12:01.000 So when Democrats win, and again, again, I just want to be clear Candace doesn't care if Democrats win. 1.00

00:12:07.000 She is not a conservative.

00:12:08.000 This is a lie that liberals like to say. 0.70

00:12:10.000 But the fact of the matter is, liberals love her show.

00:12:14.000 She's got tons of liberal fans.

00:12:15.000 Anna Casparian's a big fan.

00:12:17.000 She is a.

00:12:19.000 She's an avatar of generic market share.

00:12:23.000 By her own admission, according to Jeremy Boring, she says just whatever the people think.

00:12:27.000 So now Democrats are poised to win because of her valiant efforts to make sure that Democrats can keep doing what they're doing. 0.98

00:12:35.000 And even now, what I see here is literally no matter what Erica Kirk does, Candace Owens has to be attacking her over it. 0.99

00:12:45.000 Well, I mean, it draws viewers in. 0.98

00:12:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:12:48.000 I kind of feel like the reason she said, What do we think is the real reason she pulled out is so she can find the craziest angle that you can imagine in her replies and be like, Well, that's the one I'm going to go with.

00:12:57.000 Because really, she's just looking to get viewers, to get people to watch the show. 0.84

00:13:02.000 I mean, just like you said, there are a million reasons why Erica Kirk would be like, No, I can't do it.

00:13:08.000 So for Candace Owens, she's just like, Well, here we go. 0.81

00:13:11.000 Now's my chance to bring Erica Kirk back into the conversation because that's when she got the most traction.

00:13:16.000 So I want to say this.

00:13:17.000 I have.

00:13:19.000 Very serious concerns about the safety and security of Erica Kirk.

00:13:24.000 Because I'll tell you a story.

00:13:26.000 I was on the old Instagram there.

00:13:28.000 And for those that use Instagram, sometimes it recommends threads to you because they want you to use threads instead of X.

00:13:34.000 So I'm swiping down and it gives you these little threads box.

00:13:37.000 And one of them was a veiled threat against Erica Kirk.

00:13:40.000 And I went, geez, veiled threat.

00:13:43.000 So I clicked it.

00:13:44.000 It brought me to threads where I saw the post.

00:13:46.000 And then it was something like Erica Kirk.

00:13:49.000 Wait till you get what's coming to you, something like that.

00:13:51.000 And I'm like, that's creepy.

00:13:53.000 Like, who's this lady?

00:13:53.000 I looked at her profile.

00:13:54.000 She's a random nobody, some random, like, you know, 30 year old woman. 1.00

00:13:58.000 And then I clicked back, and the entire threads feed of the algorithm was just tons of 30, 35 year old women, all like, you know, late 20s or whatever women, just saying Erica Kirk deserves hell. 0.99

00:14:10.000 Like, it was just all of this anti Erica Kirk stuff. 0.99

00:14:14.000 And I'm trying to figure out who these people are and why they hate this woman so much. 0.94

00:14:17.000 Listen, you don't got to like her. 1.00

00:14:19.000 You can call her whatever you want to call her, but this is psychotic. 0.75

00:14:22.000 You know, I'll tell you what I think.

00:14:24.000 I think that we have a mass formation psychosis due to avoid.

00:14:29.000 Right now, it has been reported, as I've said ad nauseum, that viewership is down for almost everybody in the political space.

00:14:35.000 Everyone's complaining about it.

00:14:37.000 This is what they do.

00:14:38.000 The weather gets warm.

00:14:39.000 People go outside.

00:14:40.000 And then everyone starts freaking out like the world's ending.

00:14:40.000 They stop watching.

00:14:42.000 We're also coming off a dead political year and moving into the midterm.

00:14:46.000 So things are going to start heating up.

00:14:46.000 Also, we've got riot season coming up.

00:14:48.000 But everybody freaks out right about now.

00:14:50.000 So after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you can see it in Candace Owens' metrics.

00:14:54.000 Her channel's relatively stagnant.

00:14:56.000 Like, she's doing well, though, don't get me wrong.

00:14:57.000 I think she was doing like 70,000 concurrence.

00:15:00.000 And then she starts the Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory arc, and her subscribers and her viewership skyrockets.

00:15:05.000 And she's maintaining this.

00:15:07.000 What I think is that woke is routed.

00:15:09.000 After 2024, the Republican suite, liberals were freaking out.

00:15:14.000 Even right now, they're attacking Hassan Piker, and there's a civil war over whether Hassan should be allowed to campaign with Democrats.

00:15:19.000 They're tearing each other apart.

00:15:21.000 The right won everything the House, the Senate, the presidency.

00:15:25.000 And it seemed like for the average person, Pack it in, boys.

00:15:29.000 We've done everything we can.

00:15:30.000 Now we leave it to our representatives to solve these problems.

00:15:33.000 And what did they do?

00:15:34.000 Well, they did some stuff.

00:15:36.000 USAID getting shut down, I think, was good. 0.65

00:15:37.000 It was a nuclear bomb.

00:15:39.000 But the big things people were expecting Epstein, we got it's a hoax. 1.00

00:15:44.000 We got the stupid binder campaign. 1.00

00:15:47.000 Talk about a misstep. 1.00

00:15:49.000 Dan Bongino coming out saying, no, Epstein killed himself.

00:15:52.000 People were very disappointed on all that stuff.

00:15:54.000 But that was largely Politicos.

00:15:55.000 Then you get the war in Iran.

00:15:57.000 Trump's support base among white working class people has been going down.

00:16:01.000 So now, what happens?

00:16:03.000 You have this MAGA coalition, which included libertarians, moderates, conservatives, et cetera.

00:16:08.000 You've got a bunch of libertarians.

00:16:08.000 It's fractured.

00:16:10.000 Now they're just calling Trump the Antichrist.

00:16:11.000 They're making up lies about him, all this other weird stuff.

00:16:14.000 So they're gone.

00:16:14.000 They're not watching this content anymore.

00:16:16.000 For these creators, for these YouTubers, for these Twitter personalities, I had someone come to me.

00:16:22.000 I'm not going to name who they are.

00:16:24.000 They said, Hey, is your Twitter engagement down?

00:16:27.000 Because I'm not getting anything anymore.

00:16:28.000 And I was like, I don't know.

00:16:29.000 It seems the same to me.

00:16:31.000 And they're like, I'm not getting anything anymore.

00:16:33.000 And I'm like, no idea.

00:16:36.000 Well, what I see here is a lot of these personalities immediately go Israel is bad, Trump is bad, Erica Kirk is bad.

00:16:44.000 Why?

00:16:44.000 It's the last island in the flood.

00:16:47.000 So when you look at some of these liberal channels, all they do is spam blast why Trump is bad every single day.

00:16:53.000 It's every video, five times a day, a picture of Trump looking weird, and then a title like Trump actually did it. 1.00

00:16:59.000 You know, Trump is gross, he pooped his pants, all nonsense. 1.00

00:17:04.000 I hate Trump content. 1.00

00:17:06.000 Everything else has been decentralized.

00:17:08.000 If you were in the mega coalition when, at the peak of the culture war, right before Trump was to win, everybody who was angry with Democrats was watching, saying, Are we going to win?

00:17:20.000 Trump wins.

00:17:21.000 And now the libertarians are gone.

00:17:23.000 The moderates are gone.

00:17:24.000 The comedians are gone.

00:17:25.000 The MAGA Republicans are yelling at the other conservatives.

00:17:29.000 So that's decentralized, meaning each one of these areas, they're no longer watching the one channel.

00:17:34.000 They're all watching a bunch of different channels. 0.99

00:17:35.000 That's why Candace Owens has gone like lib, like weird. 1.00

00:17:39.000 Liberal space. 1.00

00:17:40.000 It's just kind of just female drama content. 0.99

00:17:42.000 Charlie Kirk was murdered by his wife, and Brigitte McCrone has a penis, all this weird nonsense that just is entertainment, infotainment. 0.98

00:17:50.000 People are following suit because it's the last. 0.98

00:17:53.000 Imagine the flood is happening, and they're all just trying to go as fast as they can to Everest where they can at least get some dry land.

00:17:59.000 That's what it seems like.

00:18:00.000 So, anyway, rant over. 0.99

00:18:02.000 What this means for the midterms, of course, is that Candace is rallying everybody to abandon the Republican Party. 0.99

00:18:09.000 For her, I mean, I think the Occam's razor is that she's just clawing at whatever she can get traction on, and it works.

00:18:16.000 A lot of these libertarian guys that some people that I thought were friends are posting lies because it's getting them retweets. 0.98

00:18:23.000 And so now I see a whole bunch of Trump is bad, Trump is retarded, and Israel is bad, and Netanyahu's controlling the world. 0.94

00:18:32.000 And I'm like, well, it's the last place these people can get money. 0.99

00:18:36.000 So at least the Democrats, with their infighting, are going to unify to a certain degree around their weird, culty nonsense. 0.81

00:18:42.000 Republicans, I think, are cooked. 0.79

00:18:44.000 Yeah, it looks bad.

00:18:46.000 Looks terrible to me.

00:18:47.000 I mean, but here's the problem.

00:18:49.000 So I got to be honest with you.

00:18:51.000 I haven't followed the Erica Kirk drama.

00:18:54.000 I mean, to me, this is like real housewives.

00:18:56.000 The problem that I have is I'm pretty singularly focused on fixing our country.

00:19:01.000 And Turning Point as an organization under Charlie Kirk was pivotal.

00:19:06.000 They were huge.

00:19:07.000 What they did in the 2024 campaign for Donald Trump, they were boots on the ground in states all over the country.

00:19:12.000 They were huge.

00:19:13.000 Charlie tragically is murdered.

00:19:17.000 Yeah, it's not the same.

00:19:18.000 They're having troubles, right?

00:19:20.000 So we can blame whoever we want to blame.

00:19:22.000 I don't even care.

00:19:23.000 It's a shame to see it because, again, I care about where we're going forward.

00:19:28.000 And so when I'm looking at this and I'm looking at what's going on, you know, I don't.

00:19:34.000 Candace is going to say what she's going to say.

00:19:35.000 People are going to say what they're going to say.

00:19:37.000 And I don't really care.

00:19:38.000 To me, the problem is that our policies, the things that we fought for in the election, aren't happening.

00:19:46.000 I mean, we're funding Ukraine.

00:19:49.000 We've started multiple foreign wars, which I don't. 0.64

00:19:53.000 I'm not against everything about every foreign war, but I don't like the Iran war. 0.71

00:19:57.000 And I know we'll talk about that. 0.87

00:19:59.000 And I'm.

00:20:00.000 Interested to hear what you have to say.

00:20:02.000 We've got the glyphosate executive order.

00:20:04.000 We're still funding mRNA.

00:20:07.000 We haven't passed the SAVE Act.

00:20:08.000 No one's been held accountable.

00:20:11.000 Just before we came online tonight, I see they just finally dropped the sedition charges against the Proud Boys.

00:20:17.000 Great.

00:20:17.000 What took so long?

00:20:19.000 I hear Todd Blanch.

00:20:20.000 Hey, we're not going to do anything further on the Epstein files.

00:20:24.000 People are outraged by this.

00:20:26.000 And they aren't just outraged, but they're being insulted for being outraged about child rape.

00:20:31.000 This whole thing is insane to me.

00:20:33.000 And to me, I don't think that the issue is real housewives drama between Candace and Erica.

00:20:42.000 You know, I mean, I'm not into like bashing.

00:20:45.000 She lost her husband.

00:20:46.000 I don't believe that.

00:20:46.000 I don't know.

00:20:48.000 But let's pause real quick and just say it's not Candace bashing Erica, it's Candace bashing Turning Point and fracturing the organization that was rallying people to go vote, particularly young people.

00:20:59.000 She's not, it's not about Erica Kirk.

00:21:01.000 This started with her accusing Turning Point USA of killing Charlie Kirk.

00:21:06.000 Or being involved in some way.

00:21:07.000 And it evolved into now Erica is in some way a part of this.

00:21:11.000 So when she's saying these things, what she is doing is going to her show and telling everyone, do not support Turning Point.

00:21:18.000 And this means the biggest voter initiative that the right has is now smeared, defamed, and fractured.

00:21:27.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:21:29.000 Okay, so I haven't gotten into this too much, but I don't believe the narrative about Charlie Kirk at all.

00:21:33.000 I've shot.

00:21:34.000 What narrative?

00:21:35.000 About him being shot, the way he's shot.

00:21:37.000 I watched it.

00:21:38.000 I was involved in it.

00:21:39.000 So, the gun that shot him, the 30-odd six, I shot that gun a lot.

00:21:43.000 I've used the 30-odd six, it's a cannon.

00:21:47.000 From 150 yards, there's not a bone on this planet in any human being that's going to stop that gun.

00:21:52.000 I don't believe the narrative.

00:21:53.000 There's so many inconsistencies.

00:21:55.000 I respect that you don't.

00:21:58.000 For me, as someone who has only a couple times shot 30 out of 6, I had a SEAL team sniper tell me before the news even came out that when he saw the video, he knew it was a 30 out of 6 because that's what he used and that's what he saw.

00:22:14.000 And this is just a random guy who was doing security for me.

00:22:16.000 So I've talked to a handful of people who do.

00:22:21.000 I'll be very careful how I describe it.

00:22:22.000 Let's just people who go overseas for certain reasons.

00:22:26.000 And I've had three or four people say to me, like, oh, dude, that was a 30 out of six.

00:22:29.000 You don't even have, like, you don't really have to.

00:22:29.000 Easily.

00:22:32.000 I mean, well, I'll just say it like this.

00:22:34.000 And I say this all the time on the internet when people are talking about it. 0.98

00:22:37.000 Bullets do weird shit when they hit a body. 0.92

00:22:39.000 When they hit, like, a gelatinous, basically, medium and then strike into a bone. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Right, right, but it's weird shit. 0.99

00:22:48.000 And we all know that. 0.99

00:22:49.000 Bullets do weird things.

00:22:50.000 But the other thing is, people don't know the age or the load of the bullet.

00:22:54.000 These things matter.

00:22:54.000 So, again, I'm with a guy who's a SEAL team sniper and he just goes, That's 30 out of 6.

00:22:58.000 He's like, Man, as soon as I saw it, I wish I was filming when I said it because I saw that video.

00:23:01.000 That's what I said.

00:23:02.000 Is that what you think it was?

00:23:02.000 And I was like, Really?

00:23:03.000 Then the news comes out, 30 out of 6.

00:23:05.000 And I was like, Oh, wow.

00:23:06.000 There's a lot of details here.

00:23:07.000 I want to ask you which ones, I guess, you dispute particularly.

00:23:10.000 So, first, there's like, Do you believe Tyler Robinson, first and foremost, was the shooter?

00:23:15.000 I guess.

00:23:16.000 I don't know.

00:23:17.000 You know, I mean, I don't know.

00:23:19.000 The problem that I have is I don't feel like they've been transparent about it.

00:23:23.000 You know, they've tried to keep things under SEAL.

00:23:25.000 And You know, why do you?

00:23:26.000 Here's the thing that I always come back.

00:23:28.000 You want to elaborate on that?

00:23:28.000 What do you mean?

00:23:29.000 Like, what do you mean?

00:23:30.000 Well, when there was a push to try and keep the trial sealed and try and keep certain data sealed.

00:23:35.000 Not Turning Point.

00:23:36.000 They've been trying to get it open.

00:23:37.000 No, no, I'm not saying Turning Point.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:38.000 I'm not saying Turning Point.

00:23:39.000 I'm not accusing.

00:23:41.000 The government's trying to keep it sealed.

00:23:42.000 Yeah.

00:23:43.000 Yeah, Turning Point's trying to keep it open.

00:23:44.000 The government, but that's where my issue is, right?

00:23:47.000 But it's the specific courtroom.

00:23:48.000 It's the judge themselves.

00:23:49.000 What do you mean?

00:23:50.000 They're trying to keep it sealed.

00:23:51.000 They need to do their investigations.

00:23:52.000 No, no, no, no.

00:23:53.000 The court doesn't want a public trial.

00:23:55.000 Turning Point and Charlie's family and friends do.

00:23:58.000 They want everyone to be able to see the evidence.

00:24:00.000 Well, I don't think they want Tyler Robinson to get off, and that's why they don't want to prematurely come out with a lot of the evidence.

00:24:06.000 And that's not what he's saying.

00:24:08.000 No, listen.

00:24:09.000 If Robinson did it, that's fine.

00:24:10.000 I want every piece of information in there.

00:24:12.000 I had a problem, and I'll tell you, I know that you guys are going to jump me on this one.

00:24:16.000 Joe Kent.

00:24:17.000 Whether you believe Joe Kent or not, he offered to testify.

00:24:21.000 If you're going to put your name, this is, you know, Emma's a lawyer.

00:24:24.000 If you're going to go under oath and you have valid information that's relevant to the trial, I want to hear it.

00:24:28.000 What was his information that was valid?

00:24:31.000 I don't know.

00:24:32.000 That he was stopped from investigating a foreign nexus in the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:24:36.000 Don't you think so?

00:24:37.000 It's not relevant to a court, nor is it admissible.

00:24:40.000 But they will now argue for it, and the defense is going to try and use it in the court of public opinion to say the federal government did not do their job.

00:24:48.000 The issue is that he's the deputy director of counterterror, or he was the director of counterterror under Tulsi Gabbard.

00:24:55.000 It's the FBI that handles these things.

00:24:57.000 He said that Cash told him not to investigate.

00:25:01.000 Well, yeah, why would the counterterror director be looking up an assassination?

00:25:05.000 That's not his.

00:25:07.000 Well, if there were indications of terror, if there were indications, we don't know what data he had, and we don't know what he was going to testify.

00:25:13.000 Sounds like there wasn't.

00:25:14.000 Well, it sounds like, but again, you asked me for specifics, and I can't ask you for specifics on this because he can't give it.

00:25:20.000 Well, my point is, you're asking to prove a negative, right?

00:25:22.000 So, how about this?

00:25:23.000 How about in the Swalwell case, why isn't the FBI allowing the counterterror to investigate whether Swalwell was raping these women because it was for China?

00:25:33.000 I mean, I could just make up a million and one things. 0.68

00:25:36.000 And so it's possible that Joe Kent goes to Cash and says, Hey, I want to investigate if Israel did this.

00:25:41.000 And Cash goes, Huh?

00:25:42.000 Well, but did he have evidence?

00:25:43.000 I mean, was there a basis for him to say that?

00:25:45.000 We've never got, you know, if he's coming out and specifically saying, I want to testify in this, I've got a reason.

00:25:51.000 Yeah, his reason was that he was barred from investigating a foreign nexus involvement in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:25:57.000 Was that it?

00:25:58.000 Do we know that that was it?

00:25:59.000 That was from his interview, he said he was told not to investigate if.

00:26:05.000 Whether a foreign, I think he said foreign nexus may have been involved in the assassination of Kurt.

00:26:09.000 And do you think, I don't want to misquote him, but.

00:26:11.000 And I'm going to defend myself on this one because I think, here's the deal.

00:26:14.000 He's got a job to do, he's doing his job.

00:26:16.000 Do you think that he just decided it for no reason at all?

00:26:19.000 Well, we don't have access to what he has access to.

00:26:21.000 He had all sorts of classified access.

00:26:23.000 I think that he just decided, hey, you know what?

00:26:27.000 I'm just going to investigate the crime.

00:26:28.000 I think it's mass formation psychosis. 0.93

00:26:31.000 I think that we are seeing Israel derangement syndrome. 1.00

00:26:34.000 I think there's certainly valid. 0.99

00:26:35.000 I always say this because these people are psychotic. 1.00

00:26:38.000 There are valid criticisms of Israel and quite a bit. 0.91

00:26:41.000 Even the free press wrote about the extremist problem in the West Bank with Israeli settlers going in. 1.00

00:26:41.000 No problem. 1.00

00:26:47.000 Fine.

00:26:48.000 But I look at these people who are claiming that Israel is behind everything all the time. 0.99

00:26:54.000 And I'm like, okay, this is retardation. 1.00

00:26:57.000 This is like your brain is broken. 1.00

00:27:00.000 We on this show have been tracking foreign policy for a long time. 0.90

00:27:03.000 We've covered all of these stories.

00:27:04.000 We had a woman recently on who said that Zelensky is a Jew who was put in power by Netanyahu because Netanyahu wants a corridor from Israel to Ukraine.

00:27:13.000 And I'm like, yep, you made that up on the spot.

00:27:16.000 That's just completely not true.

00:27:19.000 And I don't know why you get it.

00:27:22.000 People like Candace make these things up because people get all freaked out and then they watch these things. 0.55

00:27:27.000 So when Joe Kent is like a foreign nexus, we get what he's saying.

00:27:31.000 He's saying Israel.

00:27:32.000 So if Cash is like, my God, dude, are you kidding me?

00:27:35.000 Like, listen, you want to know what makes the most sense?

00:27:38.000 Let's do Occam's Razor. 0.86

00:27:39.000 Occam's Razor is a wackaloon lefty guy, the likely suspect in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 0.56

00:27:46.000 I don't think he acted alone. 0.96

00:27:47.000 There were wackaloon lefties on social media who seemed to have foreknowledge of the event.

00:27:52.000 So if there is a conspiracy, and there may be, who is likely behind it?

00:27:56.000 But I want to know that.

00:27:58.000 Left liberals, not a foreign nexus.

00:28:00.000 Maybe, maybe, but I want to know, and I want to know the whole truth. 0.80

00:28:03.000 This is kind of like a J6 pipe bomber. 0.66

00:28:05.000 So I'll put a link to this. 0.99

00:28:06.000 Do you believe this autistic kid was a pipe bomber for J6? 0.80

00:28:09.000 No, of course not.

00:28:10.000 And I think more information has come out, which it's hard to get into because of the threat of litigation around this other individual.

00:28:17.000 But I will say this the strategy of intelligence agencies in dealing with conspiracies is to throw fake conspiracies to destroy it.

00:28:26.000 So.

00:28:26.000 100%.

00:28:28.000 Joe Kent comes out working in the intelligence agency and says a foreign nexus.

00:28:33.000 Oh, and then I'm sitting here being like, who benefited from the assassination of Charlie Kirk?

00:28:38.000 The Democrats, the deep state, the intelligence agencies.

00:28:41.000 How would you stop people from looking into what they did?

00:28:44.000 Blame Israel for it because you can never prove it.

00:28:46.000 They're 20,000 miles away.

00:28:48.000 So now you've got Joe Kent coming out.

00:28:51.000 This is creating a potential to get Tyler Robinson off by creating more and more doubt.

00:28:55.000 The defense is likely to come in and say, look at this, a government official said they weren't allowed to investigate.

00:29:00.000 So, I have questions about why Candace Owens' lawyers work out of the same building as the feds and why she is casting doubt on the suspect.

00:29:09.000 If there was a conspiracy, which I think there is, I don't think there was a lone shooter that killed Charlie.

00:29:14.000 I agree.

00:29:14.000 There is evidence of Discord chats.

00:29:16.000 These messages between him and his lover seem to be fabricated. 0.63

00:29:19.000 And they keep spinning it around to Israel did it.

00:29:22.000 What this does is it disrupts any actual investigative journalism into who may have done it.

00:29:29.000 So, when Joe Kent from the intelligence agencies joins in, And says a foreign nexus, I'm like, they're intentionally disrupting any chance at really looking into what happened.

00:29:39.000 I literally agree with every single thing you're saying.

00:29:43.000 And let me tell you what I think is most important about it, though.

00:29:47.000 Yes, 100%.

00:29:50.000 Could this guy be playing a game or that guy be playing a game?

00:29:53.000 The problem is, we don't know who's playing the game.

00:29:57.000 And so, to me, what's important is that we investigate every angle as openly and transparently as possible because I don't trust any of them.

00:30:05.000 Unless I see it with my own eyes, I don't trust any of them.

00:30:08.000 And so, what you would do is you take the evidence you have, and then from each point of evidence, you'll advance one step to check where does this lead?

00:30:08.000 Agreed.

00:30:15.000 And where does that lead? 0.98

00:30:16.000 Transgender furries, Democrats. 0.98

00:30:19.000 Liberal leftists, it would make the most sense, in my opinion, that if there was a conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk, it came from Democrat donors, elite pedophiles. 0.91

00:30:30.000 We know these people who have been funding Democrat politicians, don't get me wrong, also a lot of the uniparty Republicans that Trump went to war with.

00:30:37.000 And how do you stop regular people online from actually looking into the donor class that really wanted to stop Charlie Kirk?

00:30:45.000 You have a counterterrorism director come out and claim it was Israel, or at least insinuate.

00:30:49.000 And then instead of investigating the trans furries on X who were claiming they knew something was going to happen, the Discord groups, you're now getting people like Candace Owens screaming Israel did it. 0.93

00:30:58.000 And I'm going to tell you, I agree with that. 0.95

00:31:00.000 The only thing is, I would not put a limitation on that.

00:31:03.000 I would follow every single lead that was out there.

00:31:06.000 And I would allow, listen, if Joe Kent goes out there and testifies and he perjures himself or lies, then guess what?

00:31:13.000 But he's going to say, I wasn't allowed to investigate a foreign exit.

00:31:15.000 Well, then you know what?

00:31:17.000 It's going to be objected to as irrelevant.

00:31:19.000 Because it is.

00:31:20.000 Yep.

00:31:20.000 And that's going to be the end of it.

00:31:22.000 Probably why they're not going to call him.

00:31:23.000 But that statement, what it does is now you've got the people who are, the young people who once were curious about going to a turning point event now will not do it.

00:31:34.000 Well, I don't disagree.

00:31:36.000 I don't disagree, but the problem that we have, the problem that we have is that both sides are presenting not impossible, right?

00:31:46.000 There's a plausible chance that there was foreign involvement.

00:31:49.000 Is it likely?

00:31:50.000 Probably not.

00:31:50.000 Well, but there's a Possible.

00:31:52.000 I'm not going to argue that there was.

00:31:53.000 There's a possible chance that China has a moon base.

00:31:55.000 But what is the evidence for it?

00:31:57.000 This is the point.

00:31:58.000 There are a lot of things that are possible.

00:31:59.000 There's a lot of things. 0.54

00:32:00.000 It's possible the Nazis went to the dark side of the moon, I guess.

00:32:03.000 When someone makes an accusation, they're willing to put themselves under oath.

00:32:07.000 What accusation was made?

00:32:10.000 That there was foreign involvement.

00:32:11.000 That's not the accusation that was made.

00:32:12.000 That's never been said.

00:32:13.000 Or that he was unable to investigate it.

00:32:15.000 Yes, he wanted to look into this and was told he wasn't allowed.

00:32:18.000 There's no evidence to insinuate that's actually true.

00:32:20.000 So a guy saying my boss wouldn't let me do a thing is not evidence of something.

00:32:24.000 Did the defense or did anybody want to?

00:32:27.000 To call him?

00:32:27.000 Was there any actual, did any of the lawyers, and I don't know this, I'm asking the question.

00:32:31.000 Did any of the lawyers actually have any interest in calling him?

00:32:34.000 Yeah, as far as I know right now, that's not gone anywhere.

00:32:36.000 Okay.

00:32:37.000 Because if the lawyers, here's where I got to say this.

00:32:40.000 I got to say this.

00:32:42.000 What's happening right now is exactly the problem I have with the space.

00:32:45.000 You are insinuating, you are insinuating a foreign nexus may have been involved simply because Joe Kent said, I wanted to check to see.

00:32:52.000 I'm not insinuating because I don't know what the.

00:32:54.000 You said an accusation was made, it's never been made.

00:32:58.000 It's never been made.

00:32:59.000 This accusation comes from Candace Owens and these other anti Israel people.

00:33:03.000 Joe Kent did not say, I had probable cause at a foreign exorcism.

00:33:06.000 He never said that.

00:33:08.000 Okay.

00:33:08.000 Tom, it's a little bit amazing to me how, like, I feel like you're willing to grasp at these straws of evidence of foreign nexus operations that I think are more or less baseless, but then completely disregard, I think, the quality evidence against Tyler Robinson.

00:33:21.000 I'm not a.

00:33:22.000 They're saying that there's his DNA sample at the scene of the crime, and then his cell phone data also puts him there.

00:33:27.000 He also left a note for his gay lover and said, Luna, if you're reading this per my text, I am sorry.

00:33:32.000 I left the house this morning on a mission and said in auto text, I'm likely dead or facing lengthy prison sentence because I took out Charlie Kirk.

00:33:39.000 Let me just say this.

00:33:40.000 I'm going to quote Nick Fuentes, okay?

00:33:42.000 The Illuminati planted the wrong gun.

00:33:45.000 Is that it?

00:33:46.000 The Illuminati made a mistake, and you on the internet just found it out.

00:33:50.000 So I think he's spot on when he points this out that all of these internet sleuths have been saying the most psychotic things from the get go.

00:34:00.000 One of which was that Charlie was shot from behind, and I was told to my face simultaneously that Charlie was actually shot from behind by a guy in the bushes in front of him.

00:34:09.000 And I'm sitting here being like, hold on.

00:34:12.000 You show me a picture of a guy.

00:34:14.000 It's a grainy green picture.

00:34:15.000 Like, that's a guy on a balcony pointed at Charlie in front of him.

00:34:19.000 Then you told me that he was actually shot from behind because it's all garbled nonsense.

00:34:25.000 What I really think is going on for the most part is that nobody knows what happened.

00:34:30.000 Nobody wants to believe what happened.

00:34:31.000 And people are also desperate for something to latch on to.

00:34:34.000 But let me do this.

00:34:36.000 I want to jump to this story from Raw Story to exemplify everything we're talking about.

00:34:40.000 Raw Story wrote this last night.

00:34:43.000 They're getting sick of Trump.

00:34:45.000 Ex GOP operative in awe as Trump booed at UFC Miami.

00:34:50.000 Trump was not booed at UFC Miami.

00:34:53.000 Never happened.

00:34:54.000 How does this headline exist?

00:34:55.000 It's like we're back in 2016 all over again.

00:34:58.000 So I began digging into it.

00:35:00.000 And here's a video from Eric Doherty of Donald Trump.

00:35:02.000 Here's the full video 45th and now 47th President of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump.

00:35:20.000 Everyone's just holding their cameras up and filming.

00:35:22.000 Nobody's booing.

00:35:27.000 They're waving, smiling, he's smiling back.

00:35:35.000 I was at a UFC event not that long ago when Donald Trump was there.

00:35:39.000 And I was in the VIP section.

00:35:42.000 And this is exactly, I think this is the end of 24, like right after he got reelected.

00:35:47.000 And this is exactly what it looked like.

00:35:49.000 He walked out slowly.

00:35:50.000 Everybody was holding up their cameras.

00:35:52.000 I was holding up my camera.

00:35:54.000 Why is it that people on X are claiming that Trump got booed over and over again?

00:36:01.000 The original video from Eric Doherty is just the man is in his element.

00:36:06.000 Love that Marco is here.

00:36:07.000 People have taken this video.

00:36:09.000 Started just reposting it everywhere saying Trump got booed at UFC.

00:36:13.000 And prominent personalities that I know, friends of the show, are agreeing and saying Trump is getting booed.

00:36:20.000 This is mass formation psychosis. 0.98

00:36:22.000 These people are grifters.

00:36:23.000 They are just saying these things because they want to get clicks and views.

00:36:27.000 That's people are concerned right now that they want to get followers and they're going to burn the whole thing down and do it.

00:36:33.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:36:34.000 What I can say is everything is psychotic and insane and it's impossible to work through.

00:36:40.000 And maybe that is the intended condition.

00:36:42.000 For a while now, the prediction has been that the machine state could not allow decentralized podcasting and information spaces, and so they'd need to destroy it.

00:36:52.000 And one of the theories was that they would flood the zone with fake news to make it impossible to figure out what is true.

00:36:58.000 And they use human vice against the people who claim to want otherwise, thus proving a tremendous point.

00:37:05.000 When some of the people who I'm going to leave their names out, who have shared this video claiming he was being booed, which he clearly was not, either just did not watch the video and lied anyway because it gets them clicks.

00:37:16.000 Or they did watch it, no, he wasn't booed, and said, who cares?

00:37:18.000 We're going to share it anyway.

00:37:20.000 It stands to reason that the machine state has proven its point to me and many others.

00:37:24.000 From the right to the left, it's grifters all the way down.

00:37:27.000 They were never honest.

00:37:28.000 They were lying the whole time because they wanted clicks.

00:37:31.000 So who do you trust?

00:37:32.000 The reality is, I guess, you can't trust anybody.

00:37:35.000 But that's the point, though, right?

00:37:37.000 And by the way, I don't disregard any of the evidence in Skyler Robinson.

00:37:41.000 None of it, right?

00:37:42.000 I have no problem with any of it.

00:37:43.000 Most likely thing is most likely what happened.

00:37:46.000 I'm just saying that we need to dig into everything because I don't trust anybody.

00:37:50.000 At this point, I have watched our government lie to us, both parties, endlessly.

00:37:55.000 I don't trust a single person in our federal government.

00:37:58.000 And I want to investigate everything.

00:38:00.000 I don't care if there's a sliver of a chance.

00:38:04.000 I want to dig into it.

00:38:05.000 You know, they also told us that there were no Epstein files, right?

00:38:08.000 They also told us, I mean, if I went through the list of the lies we've heard in the last year, I'm not an anti Israel guy.

00:38:17.000 I support Israel.

00:38:18.000 I support the Jewish people.

00:38:19.000 I don't like Netanyahu. 0.98

00:38:21.000 But I do think that if someone's going to make accusations at this point, I'll give some of these wackadoodles as much of a chance as I will some of the credible people.

00:38:36.000 Because Dan Bongino is credible at this point.

00:38:39.000 The end result will be the most likely scenario Democrats take the midterms, they sweep, and they take 2028 in a sweep.

00:38:46.000 There's one way to fix that.

00:38:48.000 Donald Trump comes back to being mega.

00:38:50.000 That's the only way.

00:38:52.000 The one way to fix that is having a booming economy.

00:38:55.000 I fully know.

00:38:56.000 That's mega.

00:38:57.000 Well, I don't know about.

00:38:57.000 I fully.

00:38:59.000 I'm not so sure about that because the people that are specifically critical of the Charlie Kirk narrative, critical of what's been done about the Epstein files, those people aren't going to come back because the economy's good.

00:39:12.000 But the kitchen table issues, the things that will get the normal people that don't pay much attention to this kind of stuff, get them out to the polls.

00:39:20.000 Is do I feel like my dollar is going as far as it did five, six, seven years ago?

00:39:28.000 I don't think that changes anything.

00:39:30.000 I think that we've got, with people like Candace Owens, you have mass formation psychosis.

00:39:36.000 I have met what I would describe as default libs.

00:39:39.000 This is the way Andrew Breitbart described these people.

00:39:41.000 They vote Democrat, they don't really pay attention to politics, it's just normal for them.

00:39:44.000 And I've met many of these people who are anti Trump and anti Israel.

00:39:50.000 Because of Candace Owens.

00:39:51.000 And you ask them about politics, and they'll tell you, I have no idea.

00:39:54.000 A good example is this woman we had on the show who said Zelensky was put in charge of Ukraine because he's a Jew and Netanyahu on a corridor to Israel.

00:40:02.000 And I'm just like, you literally made that up right now on the spot because you have no real justification for why you think the Jews control Ukraine. 0.69

00:40:10.000 This is mass formation psychosis. 0.99

00:40:14.000 I don't think the economy matters.

00:40:16.000 I really don't.

00:40:17.000 I think we are looking at a demoralized generation.

00:40:20.000 Millennials and Gen Z are largely demoralized.

00:40:23.000 They're not concerned about buying houses because they don't think it's possible, so it's not a part of their worldview right now.

00:40:29.000 They are not seeking to attain home ownership.

00:40:32.000 Some do, don't get me wrong, but I think largely as generations, Millennials and Gen Z and soon to be Gen Alpha just don't even concern themselves with it because it's not something that you can do.

00:40:43.000 These people are not motivated by needing to make more money, they're quiet quitting, what's one of the big trends.

00:40:49.000 These are people who think they're deserving of anything.

00:40:51.000 They should burn down warehouses, and their motivation is ideological.

00:40:55.000 Here's a really funny story.

00:40:57.000 There was a post.

00:40:57.000 Did you guys see the guy who burned down the warehouse in Ontario, California?

00:41:01.000 Yeah.

00:41:02.000 Reportedly, he was getting $27 an hour.

00:41:04.000 I don't know that that's true for sure.

00:41:06.000 I looked into the average wage.

00:41:09.000 $23 an hour was the listed online wage for working in that factory.

00:41:14.000 It was a contractor for Kimberly Clark.

00:41:17.000 $23 an hour.

00:41:19.000 The rumor is he was making $27 an hour.

00:41:22.000 Thought he deserved more.

00:41:23.000 And after the fire, another employee was interviewed and he said, It's a bummer because I just started making good money.

00:41:31.000 So the point is, this guy is not motivated by the money.

00:41:35.000 He's motivated by the communist ideology telling him that no matter how much he has, it's not enough and he should have more.

00:41:41.000 Whereas other people were like, Wow, this is great.

00:41:43.000 I'm finally making 20 bucks an hour.

00:41:45.000 I got a job that I can actually live on.

00:41:46.000 This guy said, I deserve more and burned it all down.

00:41:49.000 I don't think the economy changes much.

00:41:51.000 I think it is going to be a factor, maybe three to five points, which Can be dramatic, but we're looking at a major swing from right to left right now, and it's about 10 points.

00:42:02.000 Actually, I think I have the, I've got this from Rich Barris.

00:42:06.000 He says Republicans lost the nonpartisan but really is partisan Wisconsin Supreme Court by 20 points, the largest Democrat margin in the modern history.

00:42:17.000 Lazar lost iron.

00:42:18.000 Here's why we collect ethnicity details. 0.58

00:42:20.000 Lumberjacks were Trump 1 and pre Trump 2, BB version crushed, worse than Mitt Romney. 0.59

00:42:26.000 We have this.

00:42:27.000 He says people do not understand the basics of the Trump realignment.

00:42:30.000 Cook Political was delayed in this rating change.

00:42:33.000 It's the right call.

00:42:34.000 Bernie Moreno lagged Trump by 10 points and 24.

00:42:37.000 Barely won versus Sherrod Brown.

00:42:39.000 And even NRSC knows they're down in Ohio.

00:42:42.000 Voters pop bubble.

00:42:43.000 Check this out.

00:42:44.000 Cook Political changed North Carolina from toss up to lean Democrat.

00:42:49.000 Georgia from toss up to lean Democrat.

00:42:51.000 Ohio from lean Republican to toss up.

00:42:54.000 And Nebraska from solid Republican to likely Republican.

00:42:58.000 The trends that we have seen is a 10 point swing from Republican to Democrat.

00:43:05.000 I mean, listen.

00:43:05.000 100%.

00:43:07.000 We elected Donald Trump first and foremost.

00:43:09.000 I would argue that the number one motivating factor behind 2024 was accountability.

00:43:16.000 Yep, I would say that was the number one thing, and we've had none absolutely none.

00:43:21.000 I love that we keep seeing the DOJ tell me about how many arrests they make.

00:43:24.000 Well, listen, your job is to make arrests and to take you know monsters off the streets.

00:43:30.000 We elected this administration because we wanted accountability at the top.

00:43:35.000 I'm just gonna say, I think the Democrats won.

00:43:38.000 I think what we're looking at is they back off 24 to give Trump just enough rope, as the saying goes.

00:43:48.000 And now, prominent Trump supporters have broken from Trump and are effectively liberals.

00:43:54.000 They're at least spoilers.

00:43:56.000 Democrats are going to sweep in, they're going to take everything, and they're going to ram through their agenda.

00:44:01.000 So I got to be honest, I think a lot of these pro Trump personalities that are now anti Trump, and a lot of the reason why a lot of these personalities are just saying anti Israel is because they fully expect Democrats to get in and they don't want to go to prison.

00:44:13.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:44:15.000 You look at some of these guys out there that Trump now has problems with.

00:44:19.000 Like he loved Massey, now he hates Massey.

00:44:21.000 He hated Lindsey Graham, now he loves Lindsey Graham.

00:44:24.000 I mean, isn't the problem that what we thought we were getting is not what we've gotten?

00:44:29.000 I mean, at the end of the day, listen, I want Donald Trump to come back to the guy that we thought we were voting for in 2024, because if he does, it saves our country.

00:44:37.000 Well, I think Trump just looked good by comparison, to be honest.

00:44:42.000 Kamala Harris represented the failures of Biden, and people said Trump must be better.

00:44:48.000 But I got to be honest.

00:44:50.000 I don't take that criticism about Lindsey Graham particularly seriously, considering Trump hired John Bolton.

00:44:56.000 That's true.

00:44:57.000 These people who are like, I can't believe Trump is palling with neocons, he was palling with them the first time, too.

00:45:03.000 JD Vance was a never trumper, and now he's the vice president.

00:45:07.000 Fair enough. 0.68

00:45:07.000 I mean, this is exactly who Trump has always been, especially with the we're not going to let Iran get nuclear weapons talk. 0.68

00:45:14.000 It's like, yeah, we wanted, I think Trump's foreign policy in the Middle East has still been largely better than ever the president because they all started wars in the Middle East. 0.77

00:45:21.000 I think if you remove wars in the Middle East, you get Trump with the Abraham Accords and other policies I think have been beneficial. 0.58

00:45:27.000 Not that I'm not a fan of him going to war with Iran, but I do think there's a bigger component there that actually maybe we should just jump into right now while we've got a lot sitting here.

00:45:36.000 We got this from the Wall Street Journal.

00:45:38.000 Sanctioned Chinese tanker makes U turn in Hormuz after trying to exit Strait.

00:45:44.000 This is crazy.

00:45:46.000 So Donald Trump announces a blockade of any ship trying to go into or out of Iranian ports and through the Strait.

00:45:54.000 This morning, the reporting was that a Chinese tanker made it through the strait, but then at the Gulf of Oman turned around and went back into the Persian Gulf, indicating, presumably, that the U.S. said no and they weren't able to pull off whatever they were trying to do.

00:46:11.000 Now, here's where it gets interesting. 0.61

00:46:13.000 I think, I now believe more than ever, the shuttering of the Strait of Hormuz was the intention in the war. 0.61

00:46:21.000 Take a look at all of the factors at play right now. 0.80

00:46:23.000 I don't care what anyone says, I care what we see.

00:46:26.000 And we see a few things. 1.00

00:46:28.000 China is pissed.

00:46:30.000 They have been issuing public statements that this is disrupting the global order and it should not be allowed to stand.

00:46:36.000 Why?

00:46:37.000 They've been cut off from around 20% of their energy imports, which is damaging their economy massively, and they're in serious trouble if this persists.

00:46:46.000 But also take a look.

00:46:47.000 At Trump going into Venezuela beforehand, securing Western oil assets, then starting a war in Iran where the strait was already open and then it gets closed.

00:46:59.000 Trump goes, Oh no, the strait's closed.

00:47:01.000 I swear, if you don't open that strait.

00:47:03.000 Now, why would he be saying that again?

00:47:05.000 I don't care what he says.

00:47:06.000 I care about all I look at is the math of it.

00:47:10.000 Let's calculate everything based on simple data points.

00:47:13.000 Venezuela captured, U.S. gets access to the oil assets, the largest oil hub, basically production and distribution in the world.

00:47:21.000 It's ours.

00:47:22.000 Trump goes to war with Iran, causing the Strait of Amores to shudder.

00:47:26.000 Trump makes a statement ensuring Iran keeps it closed.

00:47:30.000 When Iran reopens the Strait as a toll booth, as a tollway, Trump orders a blockade of the Strait for any tankers, particularly this Chinese one.

00:47:41.000 When you remove the we're trying to get the Strait open talk, that's PR hubbub.

00:47:46.000 The end result is all of the actions we have seen thus far seem intended to stop.

00:47:52.000 US adversaries from getting access to Middle Eastern oil.

00:47:54.000 In the meantime, the Gulf is exporting at record levels.

00:47:58.000 Now, here's what I think.

00:48:00.000 Trump can't come out and say, we started a war with Iran, bombed them, and killed their government because we're trying to cut off China's energy access.

00:48:09.000 Because then China would say, okay, that's a declaration of war, right?

00:48:14.000 What the US comes out and does and says, no, no, we're trying to get it open, trust me.

00:48:18.000 So what happens?

00:48:20.000 When Trump says, you better open the strait or else, The Iranian government goes, I'll show him.

00:48:25.000 I'll keep it closed.

00:48:27.000 Then Trump's like, oh no. 0.95

00:48:29.000 China gets pissed, issues a statement.

00:48:30.000 Then Iran comes out and says, okay, we're going to reopen it and we're going to do a tollway.

00:48:34.000 Then Trump says, no, send in the blockade. 0.76

00:48:38.000 It's all on purpose. 0.89

00:48:40.000 When you take a look at the Venezuela stuff, plus the new defense agreement or cooperation agreement with Indonesia regarding the Strait of Malacca, when you look at the big picture, it's a significant effort to change China's. 0.75

00:48:57.000 Basically, their energy policy because the Strait of Malacca, the Gulf of Hormuz, and the issues with Venezuela sending oil illicitly to China.

00:49:08.000 And then you toss in the issues with the, what's it called?

00:49:17.000 I'm spacing on it.

00:49:19.000 The waterway from the Red Sea, the Suez Canal.

00:49:22.000 No, no, it's not the Suez, the other canal.

00:49:25.000 Bosphorus?

00:49:25.000 The Panama Canal.

00:49:26.000 Oh, Panama's channel.

00:49:28.000 Because China was trying to buy the ports on both ends.

00:49:30.000 So let's think about this.

00:49:30.000 They were trying to.

00:49:31.000 So it's like this is all of this stuff when you zoom out.

00:49:35.000 All of this is targeting China.

00:49:37.000 Who was supplying oil to our adversaries?

00:49:39.000 Venezuela and Iran.

00:49:40.000 Trump just shut both distribution hubs down.

00:49:43.000 That's not an accident.

00:49:44.000 So I made a video about this because there's something called Game Theory 18 by that Chinese professor.

00:49:50.000 Some people don't like him.

00:49:51.000 They call him a CC professor.

00:49:52.000 I don't know anything about him.

00:49:53.000 All I know is he said Trump is doing this intentionally to cut off China's access to energy, which comes from Iran, comes from the Gulf.

00:50:01.000 He cut off Cuba.

00:50:02.000 He then threatened sanctions against anybody.

00:50:04.000 So Trump just shut down oil distribution from Venezuela and from Iran to our adversaries while also destroying the governments of Venezuela, Iran, and now Cuba.

00:50:15.000 This looks like a coordinated play on the part of the U.S. to basically wipe out our adversaries and make the U.S. the dominant hegemonic power.

00:50:23.000 And speaking of Cuba, Cuba was uniquely positioned to make trouble for any kind of ships that are going into the Gulf of America, where they're now going to.

00:50:34.000 They're getting oil from Texas.

00:50:35.000 Yep.

00:50:35.000 And not blowing up the cartels and all of that stuff.

00:50:38.000 So let me just say, you know what? 1.00

00:50:40.000 Trump's an idiot. 1.00

00:50:40.000 You're right. 1.00

00:50:42.000 What really happened is that he was walking down the street, slipped on a banana peel, and pulled a perfect backflip. 1.00

00:50:47.000 And everyone saw him and said, look at that idiot. 1.00

00:50:49.000 He slipped. 1.00

00:50:49.000 And I'm sitting here being like, he said a perfect backflip. 1.00

00:50:52.000 Well, you know what?

00:50:53.000 I'm going to ruin it because I've kind of been the foil tonight, right?

00:50:57.000 Ruin it.

00:50:57.000 Here's the thing, right?

00:50:58.000 So, you know, I got no problem calling Trump on the things I dislike.

00:51:03.000 But there's a lot of arguments for the 5D chess on the China thing.

00:51:07.000 Right?

00:51:07.000 The China thing, everything you guys are saying.

00:51:09.000 Everybody's going up 4D, 5D.

00:51:11.000 We're going to be at 27D soon, right?

00:51:13.000 And I don't believe that's the case in a lot of places.

00:51:16.000 But, you know, there is an argument to be made.

00:51:19.000 Everything you said is right.

00:51:20.000 And what you said at the end was really key because not only is China not getting the oil, but we now have everybody coming to the Gulf of America.

00:51:28.000 At higher levels.

00:51:29.000 Trump's talking about.

00:51:31.000 He wanted to make the United States energy dominant.

00:51:33.000 That was something that he was talking about his first. 0.65

00:51:35.000 Let me throw in another one for you guys.

00:51:37.000 Let me throw in another one.

00:51:39.000 CCP, we know that one of Trump's biggest issues is election integrity.

00:51:45.000 CCP was running through Venezuela, if you believe the stories.

00:51:49.000 And, you know, I mean, I do believe that there's a lot of evidence Venezuela was very much involved with election fraud.

00:51:55.000 Tech hub.

00:51:56.000 Yeah.

00:51:57.000 And so also, we're cutting CCP ties to our election system.

00:52:02.000 We're cutting the CCPs.

00:52:04.000 I mean, Venezuela was a beachhead for the CCP in the Western Hemisphere.

00:52:09.000 We're cutting.

00:52:10.000 We are.

00:52:10.000 I mean, this is having the effect.

00:52:13.000 Of removing the CCP tremendously.

00:52:15.000 So, you know, at the end of the day, I don't trust anybody ever.

00:52:23.000 Someone tweeted at me, Trump isn't worried about the midterms.

00:52:26.000 Have you considered why yet?

00:52:28.000 With the implication being that either through his executive order or the Save Act or something, Trump's going to control how the elections play out.

00:52:37.000 Hey, look, I'll tell you this.

00:52:39.000 If the Republicans, if I'm wrong about everything, and like if I'm right about this, right, Trump is.

00:52:46.000 Working to shut out our enemies and create a dominant US hegemonic power and oil and energy. 0.95

00:52:50.000 But outside of that, if I'm wrong about the midterms, Democrats are going to sweep, we're losing, I will be happier than a pig in ish. 0.73

00:52:58.000 So, Donald Trump, sure, whatever. 0.94

00:52:58.000 Okay. 0.94

00:53:02.000 Maybe he really does not care about all the stuff because he fully expects to win.

00:53:06.000 The one thing I will say with all of these anti Trump people, I do in the back of my mind think it may actually be a Pied Piper thing.

00:53:15.000 That is, when you look at the Ellisons buying CBS.

00:53:19.000 And Paramount now acquiring Warner and TikTok.

00:53:23.000 There appears to be a pro Donald Trump, pro US, pro Israel force buying out media.

00:53:31.000 And you know that only goes one direction.

00:53:33.000 The end result is in four or five months, these people who are in opposition to that worldview find themselves on the outs.

00:53:41.000 They can't get sponsors anymore.

00:53:42.000 Their viewership starts declining.

00:53:44.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:53:45.000 But that's in the back of my mind.

00:53:45.000 What do I know?

00:53:47.000 I will say that for sure.

00:53:48.000 Well, I mean, you get the Salem network as well.

00:53:50.000 I mean, all the stuff coming out about Salem and, uh, You know, the Trump ownership and the Israel involvement. 0.98

00:53:55.000 And, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, you're, you know, we could very well be correct on this. 0.56

00:54:01.000 I don't know whether Trump's got any 5D chest.

00:54:03.000 I do know this.

00:54:05.000 I've got, you know, I've been told by credible people, and I'm, you can take it for what.

00:54:09.000 I know the internet's going to say, well, who and what, and I'm not going to tell you because I can't.

00:54:13.000 But so take it for what it's worth.

00:54:15.000 But, you know, I do believe that there'll be some executive action before the midterms on the election fraud issue.

00:54:21.000 We'll see.

00:54:22.000 Here's the play Trump signs an executive order.

00:54:25.000 Two weeks before the midterms.

00:54:27.000 No time for the courts.

00:54:28.000 Exactly.

00:54:29.000 And even if they try to get it through, Trump gets an appeal, gets an injunction, they're not going to be able to get anything through.

00:54:36.000 And that could, I mean, that would be nuts.

00:54:39.000 What I will say on the international stage stuff, as we're talking about, you want to pull up the map and we'll take a look at all this stuff.

00:54:46.000 I'm going to just say it like this.

00:54:48.000 I don't care the opinions of anybody, myself, none of that matters.

00:54:53.000 Ignore everything I've said, ignore everything the anti Trump people say and the pro Trump people say, and just calculate data points.

00:55:00.000 Venezuelan oil under U.S. control, Cuba strangled on the verge of collapse, Iran, their government's completely gone, the strait is closed, and Gulf oil distribution has shut down with a U.S. blockade on Iranian ports.

00:55:15.000 China's access to energy has been cut by what, 25%?

00:55:20.000 Ignoring everything else, this is one of the most massive victories for Western militaristic power that I've seen in my life. 1.00

00:55:30.000 And again, you want to call it an accident and say Trump's an idiot. 1.00

00:55:35.000 You want to say this is never the intention, whatever. 1.00

00:55:37.000 I'm only bringing up the data points that are factually confirmed.

00:55:40.000 Everything I stated, confirmed.

00:55:42.000 Tim, China imports 55% of its oil through the Gulf of Hormuz.

00:55:46.000 They cut off.

00:55:47.000 They cut off.

00:55:47.000 Holy.

00:55:48.000 China's going to collapse.

00:55:49.000 The, uh, The International Energy Agency called it the largest supply disruption in the history of the global oil market.

00:55:56.000 Okay, now let me just say this.

00:55:57.000 What happens to China in one month? 0.97

00:56:01.000 How long can they hold out for? 0.98

00:56:03.000 Do they have the reserves for this?

00:56:04.000 Four months.

00:56:05.000 They have four months with nothing coming in.

00:56:08.000 Okay, I'm pro Trump.

00:56:10.000 I've never been more pro Trump.

00:56:12.000 I'm going to grow a mustache.

00:56:13.000 I'm going to smoke some cigars.

00:56:15.000 Guys, again, you know, I made a video.

00:56:19.000 I've made several videos talking about the current.

00:56:22.000 Stage of events that's happening around the world.

00:56:24.000 And I've had these former conservatives calling it cope and seethe.

00:56:29.000 Then I'm saying Trump is working a plan here.

00:56:32.000 And they're like, you're coping.

00:56:33.000 Trump's failing.

00:56:34.000 Israel made him do it.

00:56:35.000 None of that aligns with any of the foreign policy that we have watched over the past 20 years. 0.74

00:56:41.000 The Qatar Turkey pipeline, perfect example.

00:56:43.000 I love bringing it up.

00:56:44.000 You know I do.

00:56:45.000 It's my favorite story.

00:56:47.000 That the US wanted to build a pipeline through Syria from Iraq, Syria, Turkey into Europe.

00:56:54.000 And Syria said no.

00:56:55.000 So, what happens?

00:56:57.000 Syria falls into civil war.

00:56:58.000 We're on the side of the people who want to get rid of Assad.

00:57:01.000 Assad told us he will not allow the pipeline because it will disrupt Russian energy and they're allied with Russia.

00:57:07.000 That had nothing to do with Israel. 0.52

00:57:09.000 It had only to do with Israel, and that Israel is an ally in the region who is bombing Syria because we wanted them to. 0.83

00:57:16.000 Ukraine, perfect example. 0.72

00:57:19.000 Gazprom, Russian natural gas, runs through Ukraine, providing 20% of European natural gas.

00:57:26.000 So what happens?

00:57:28.000 Western assets, NATO, the EU, start courting Ukraine.

00:57:34.000 Vladimir Putin goes to Ukraine and says, Do not join NATO or the EU.

00:57:39.000 If you do, it starts here.

00:57:42.000 Putin says to Ukraine, If you open your borders to European trade, and we have open borders trade with you as part of our trade agreement, European goods will flood our country and disrupt our economy.

00:57:54.000 We can't allow that.

00:57:55.000 So Putin offers Ukraine billions of dollars.

00:57:57.000 The EU offers Ukraine billions of dollars.

00:58:00.000 This was back when it was Yanukovych.

00:58:01.000 Yanukovych says, let's negotiate. 0.88

00:58:04.000 The West takes the mafiosa route.

00:58:07.000 We're done negotiating with you. 0.92

00:58:08.000 If you don't take the deal we're offering now, then we're done talking.

00:58:13.000 Putin offers him a better deal.

00:58:15.000 Yanukovych sides with Putin, and what happens?

00:58:18.000 All of a sudden, we get the Euromaidan movement.

00:58:20.000 We get NGOs being funded in Ukraine, and the country falls into this major split where we'll call them activists storm the home of Yanukovych.

00:58:29.000 He flees the country and goes to Russia. 0.90

00:58:31.000 Zelensky comes in.

00:58:33.000 Then you get Trump coming into office after this.

00:58:35.000 That was during Obama, and the war stops.

00:58:37.000 I go back to Ukraine at this time, and I go to my friends in Kiev and I say, Is the civil war still happening?

00:58:42.000 I say, No, no, no, we don't say that anymore.

00:58:44.000 It's just some separatists now.

00:58:46.000 But after Euromaidan, they were calling it a civil war in the eastern regions, in the Donbass.

00:58:50.000 When Trump comes into power, that all stops.

00:58:53.000 Trump is no longer going to Russia and saying, I'm going to cut off your energy access.

00:58:57.000 Joe Biden has his son on the board of Burisma, an energy company in Ukraine.

00:59:02.000 All of this aligns with the U.S. trying to get control of natural gas and everything into Europe.

00:59:08.000 Now, what we're having is you're looking at everything going on with Iran.

00:59:12.000 As Phil pointed out, 55% of Chinese energy is now blocked off.

00:59:16.000 And they tried getting a tanker through because they're probably desperate, and the U.S. turned them around.

00:59:20.000 China's in trouble.

00:59:23.000 And it's not just four months.

00:59:25.000 This is going to back them up bad because they're being hurt by this.

00:59:28.000 They're draining their resources.

00:59:29.000 They're going from 5.4 million barrels a day imported.

00:59:33.000 China was importing 5.4 million barrels a day to just over 2.5 million.

00:59:38.000 Now, here's my ultimate point with all of the stuff on Ukraine, Qatar, Turkey, Syria, et cetera, they wanted to build a pipeline from Qatar up through Iraq, et cetera. 0.90

00:59:49.000 I'm being told by everybody Trump's retarded, he's screwing the whole thing up, and Israel made him do it. 0.85

00:59:56.000 That does not align with everything we've already tracked for the Syrian war, for the war in Ukraine, for the war in Afghanistan, for Trump's negotiations with Russia, the Nord Stream 2 bombing, Germany filing an arrest warrant on a Ukrainian. 0.90

01:00:12.000 It all lines up with this is a plan to shut down the BRICS nations and create Western dominance in energy. 0.55

01:00:20.000 So let me throw this out. 0.98

01:00:22.000 Okay.

01:00:22.000 Now I'm going to go back to being a foil again.

01:00:25.000 So.

01:00:27.000 We've got all of these things that we've laid out here.

01:00:29.000 And I agree with you that all of these could point to a, what are we up to, 16, 17 D chest move?

01:00:35.000 I mean, you know, something crazy here.

01:00:38.000 Maybe this is all right.

01:00:41.000 I don't disagree that, you know, it looks like there's a lot of things here that could add up.

01:00:45.000 But now let's look on the domestic side for a second.

01:00:49.000 We've got provable lies, Epstein, some of these other things.

01:00:54.000 We have, and this is where there's a couple issues that are near and dear to me that are not being talked about.

01:00:59.000 They're not viral, but they should be.

01:01:02.000 We have RealID, which is a digital ID that tracks and traces everything in this country.

01:01:06.000 I've laid out, I've got pinned to the top of my Twitter profile a breakdown of how legally RealID implements digital biometric centralized database.

01:01:20.000 It does.

01:01:21.000 We have a move towards centrally governed digital currencies.

01:01:27.000 I'm not going to say CBDCs because they're not going to be central bank, but a move towards centrally governed digital currencies.

01:01:33.000 It's going to be Bitcoin.

01:01:34.000 Maybe, maybe very well.

01:01:36.000 I mean, I don't know who it's going to be, but the point is, it's going to be something that can be controlled, right?

01:01:42.000 We see the passage of different laws that are kind of consolidating control in different spots.

01:01:48.000 We see lies about Epstein.

01:01:49.000 We see all these bad things happening domestically.

01:01:51.000 So here's the deal.

01:01:54.000 I don't know when I should trust a liar.

01:01:56.000 I can see.

01:01:58.000 But just real quick again, the points I'm making about the effects of this war and the military actions are immaterial to anything said by anyone.

01:02:07.000 You remove Trump from the equation, and we have.

01:02:09.000 The U.S. has seized back oil assets from Venezuela and now controls Venezuelan oil.

01:02:13.000 Cuba is surrounded, cut off, on the verge of collapse.

01:02:15.000 China has just lost access to 55% of its energy.

01:02:18.000 Iran's government is completely destroyed.

01:02:20.000 And our adversaries, who, not just China, who get our oil, get their oil from the Gulf, can no longer do it.

01:02:25.000 Trump has nothing to do with that.

01:02:27.000 I mean, by all means, Trump's the president.

01:02:28.000 But he's not said anything, nothing being said.

01:02:31.000 Those things are all true.

01:02:33.000 They're objectively true.

01:02:34.000 Everything that you said there is objectively true.

01:02:36.000 My question is the motive behind him and what's the result?

01:02:39.000 Listen, great.

01:02:41.000 So, what is the motive behind it?

01:02:42.000 Well, I don't know.

01:02:43.000 That's the problem.

01:02:44.000 Again, well, yeah, it does matter.

01:02:45.000 Why?

01:02:46.000 Well, because are we moving from, okay, let's say China's the enemy right now, right?

01:02:52.000 How do you feel about the global elitists, the World Economic Forum type people?

01:02:56.000 Yeah, they're cut out too.

01:02:58.000 How do you see that?

01:02:59.000 How do I see what?

01:03:00.000 How do you see that they're cut out?

01:03:02.000 I see everything that they're pushing for coming into play.

01:03:05.000 We've got centralized digital currencies, digital track and trace.

01:03:10.000 We see pushes for the.

01:03:12.000 Well, that's true.

01:03:13.000 And Trump funded with, what was it, Stargate, Project Stargate, for the investment into AI?

01:03:22.000 How do we know that this isn't a power struggle between one side or the other?

01:03:25.000 I don't trust anybody.

01:03:26.000 That's where I keep coming back to.

01:03:28.000 I think it's fair to say that what we're seeing domestically is they need to remove Trump from power to stop what he's doing.

01:03:34.000 And so, interestingly, and I, big tech, I think, is obviously anti Trump.

01:03:42.000 I wouldn't, I don't know about X, obviously, but YouTube for sure.

01:03:46.000 And they didn't just stop being anti Trump.

01:03:49.000 Facebook has always censored everything we do.

01:03:52.000 The only thing Trump has right now is Paramount and TikTok and Salem.

01:03:58.000 So these moves are being made, but it does seem like the World Economic Forum elites are trying to stop Trump.

01:04:04.000 These are the deep state, Democrat, uniparty Republican.

01:04:08.000 shields in the United States that Trump has been up against the whole time.

01:04:11.000 This war is playing out culturally, civilly, and internationally with physical conflict.

01:04:17.000 Aren't we giving them more power?

01:04:18.000 If we weaken their enemy, the World Economic Forum crew.

01:04:21.000 I don't think the World Economic Forum crew, you know, there's been a lot of discussion back then.

01:04:25.000 Well, Trump forcing NATO to pay more of their GDP into their military and Trump controlling natural gas with Ukraine into Europe.

01:04:35.000 Like, yeah, he's strangling out these threatening to leave NATO, threatening to take over Greenland.

01:04:41.000 I think that he's given a big middle finger to the WF.

01:04:44.000 I don't think these people are particularly fans of the president.

01:04:47.000 I think he actually hates them.

01:04:48.000 I think he squeezes them at every opportunity. 0.51

01:04:50.000 He just got the NATO.

01:04:52.000 When you talk about WEF, I just assume you're talking about Europeans because it's hard to really understand what's going on.

01:04:57.000 Well, yeah, it's the Davos elites.

01:04:59.000 It's the.

01:04:59.000 Those are the guys who he's squeezing, and he has not many friends among them, if anything.

01:05:03.000 He's giving an earful to all these foreign leaders when they visit, particularly from Europe.

01:05:09.000 So I don't know.

01:05:10.000 He's particularly been talking down to them, especially because of their lack of intervention.

01:05:14.000 Um, with what's going on in, uh, Iran, with our war in Iran.

01:05:17.000 So if anything, I think their power and influence is on the decline in the administration.

01:05:22.000 But I feel like I do understand that you do have certain political beefs, I guess, with the administration.

01:05:27.000 Um, he's not accomplishing everything that he's ever said to, that he will, but I think it's difficult for any politician to do so.

01:05:33.000 I think on the major issues, though, I think he's making a very large difference in doing what he's saying.

01:05:38.000 The number one issue that I think many people care about and that he ran on was this mass deportation agenda.

01:05:43.000 And I think as far as that goes, You know, you only have so much political capital and political bandwidth.

01:05:47.000 I think he's been doing a very effective job.

01:05:49.000 I think you also need to consider what's the majority he has in the House to actually affect change.

01:05:54.000 But back to that point, the issue of immigration, I think Trump came to a harsh reality is that our economy is in trouble because we don't have babies.

01:06:02.000 We don't have the workers to come in and take these jobs right now.

01:06:04.000 And so I think we talked about it to a great deal.

01:06:08.000 As to his mRNA, we aren't going to be able to have babies.

01:06:11.000 Well, I don't know about that.

01:06:12.000 But several years ago, we talked about how.

01:06:16.000 Donald Trump's plan for mass deportation and immigration restrictions means that the economy may get worse because we don't have new workers to come in.

01:06:23.000 And my response is so be it.

01:06:26.000 It is the responsibility of the people to persist.

01:06:30.000 And that means we need to start having babies.

01:06:31.000 And so we have people in our chat constantly super chatting us, being like, we're having a baby again.

01:06:37.000 However, I think that Trump's advisors probably went to him and said if we're going to defeat our enemies and we are going to put America on top, We have to slow down with anything that would curtail us domestically while we put greater pressure on China.

01:06:52.000 And I think this is exemplified by the gas prices right now going up.

01:06:56.000 The war is causing domestic damage.

01:06:59.000 A lot of it.

01:07:00.000 Except China is facing substantially worse.

01:07:03.000 So is Iran.

01:07:04.000 So is the other nations that are holding our debt.

01:07:07.000 They're taking substantially more damage.

01:07:09.000 So we're all getting hurt, but we're getting hurt the least.

01:07:12.000 I think that's what.

01:07:14.000 I'm going to say this.

01:07:15.000 We need to stop giving Trump credit.

01:07:17.000 We just do.

01:07:18.000 The problem is, you say Trump did this, Trump did that.

01:07:21.000 It's the Trump administration, it's the people who work with him, it's Pete Hegseth.

01:07:27.000 It's JD Vance.

01:07:28.000 It's Tulsi Gabbard.

01:07:29.000 It's all of these people.

01:07:30.000 And not just them, there are other guys working at Intel that we don't even know their names that are working with Trump. 0.82

01:07:35.000 The issue is you say Trump did this thing, and then the anti Trumpers, who in their mind believe that Trump can only be retarded, because that's not true, here Trump may have pulled off this plan. 0.77

01:07:47.000 And then they're like, that's not possible. 1.00

01:07:50.000 Trump's too stupid to do it. 1.00

01:07:52.000 And then I'm sitting here being like, yeah, or the intelligence agencies have been working on this for a long time and got Trump in on it. 1.00

01:08:00.000 And this is part of the problem.

01:08:02.000 Or Trump came in, saw the pieces on the chessboard, brought in advisors, they discussed it and moved some pieces around.

01:08:08.000 And this is the play they're making.

01:08:10.000 I don't think, I think it's very easy to say Trump did it.

01:08:14.000 I really don't think so.

01:08:15.000 I think these ideas come from like Stephen, like domestically, Stephen Miller's telling him what to do.

01:08:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:19.000 I think Trump is a China hawk.

01:08:21.000 And there were China hawks in the administration that had plans like this, that knew about these situations.

01:08:28.000 They got together and came up with a, I think definitely the cabinet is giving the president a lot of different options and those inform a lot of his decisions.

01:08:43.000 Obviously, former Senator Marco Rubio, now Secretary of State, was known for being very hawkish on China, on Cuba, on Venezuela, on Iran when he is in the Senate.

01:08:53.000 I will say though, I think I know him from reporting to be the actual trigger man, to be the actual decision maker.

01:08:59.000 I do think the buck stops with him.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:02.000 Trump, you mean?

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:03.000 I think a lot of this stuff goes to him and he is making the final decisions.

01:09:06.000 I think people who think that he's being, you know, misled or manipulated, particularly on the Iran stuff, are misunderstanding the president completely.

01:09:13.000 I don't think the president was confused about his decision.

01:09:16.000 I think he did so.

01:09:16.000 He had, it took a lot of chutzpah and audacity to do something that no other of the five prior presidents were willing to do.

01:09:23.000 And that's obviously attack the Iranian government and take the shout and attempt at regime change and, you know, strangleholding different oil channels and trade channels here.

01:09:32.000 I think this is really a flex of power.

01:09:34.000 He's willing to pull the trigger on Venezuela.

01:09:36.000 I suspect he's going to be pulling the trigger on Cuba soon as well. 0.72

01:09:39.000 He's continuing to support Ukraine, which is bogging down Russia further there.

01:09:43.000 So, you know, I think people, they like to project onto Trump what their political beliefs are.

01:09:48.000 But he obviously has agency and I think makes his own decisions.

01:09:52.000 Good.

01:09:52.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 I got to be honest with you.

01:09:54.000 At the end of the day, you know, we can speculate whether Trump's playing 48D chess or whether he's, you know, not doing that, you know.

01:10:04.000 But at the end of the day, we voted for America first.

01:10:07.000 And this stuff.

01:10:08.000 You know, maybe 10 years down the line, 15 years down the line, we needed to spend the first couple years.

01:10:14.000 He needed to spend the first couple years focusing in America.

01:10:17.000 Is it?

01:10:17.000 We needed jobs.

01:10:18.000 We needed recovery.

01:10:19.000 We needed to hold people accountable that censored us.

01:10:22.000 And I think.

01:10:23.000 Is it your assumption that this wouldn't be considered America first?

01:10:26.000 These kind of foreign policy moves that set up the United States as basically taking the power of OPEC basically away and putting that power on the U.S.

01:10:35.000 I don't think of it.

01:10:36.000 I can't think of a policy that's more American.

01:10:38.000 I'm going to say it like this my view, and I think Trump's view in 2016.

01:10:41.000 With Hillary Clinton.

01:10:42.000 I think Trump completely agrees with you.

01:10:43.000 And I think that's why you think he's not mega right now.

01:10:45.000 I think that Trump initially was like, you lied to Jeb Bush, your brother lied to get us into a war, all of those things.

01:10:52.000 And then what happens is Trump gets into office and he says, okay, we're going to bring jobs back here.

01:10:59.000 We're going to do tariffs.

01:11:00.000 And what does he find?

01:11:00.000 Well, aside from obstruction, He finds that China is projected in six years to take over as the dominant global economy.

01:11:09.000 They've got the Belt and Road Initiative.

01:11:10.000 They've been working, they were working on building a Nicaraguan canal to bypass Panama, which would destroy a massive aquifer.

01:11:16.000 And Trump says, okay, well, I don't care what they do.

01:11:19.000 I want America to be better.

01:11:20.000 And his advisors come to him and say, when China takes control as the dominant global economy, the standard of living for Americans will drop tenfold.

01:11:29.000 Also, the timing of this China has been saying that in 2027, Is when they were looking to take back Taiwan.

01:11:36.000 Right now, TSCM is in Taiwan.

01:11:41.000 And with the AI race that's going on now, you can't have China controlling the most advanced chips.

01:11:47.000 And this pressure puts China in a position where they cannot.

01:11:51.000 Well, they don't have the energy to do it now.

01:11:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:54.000 So AOC is asked at the European Security Council meeting or whatever should the US defend Taiwan if China moves on it?

01:12:02.000 And she gives this long, rambling non answer that everyone made fun of her for because she's trying to look. 0.98

01:12:07.000 Presidential, and she has no idea what she's doing.

01:12:10.000 With cutting off China's access to energy, there's no concern at all now about China going after Taiwan because they don't have the energy to do it.

01:12:16.000 They're in trouble that Trump made this move, and Trump did it in a way where it's an oopsie daisy, I made a mistake.

01:12:21.000 That's how it looks.

01:12:22.000 Oh no, they shut it all down.

01:12:24.000 So again, I'll say it like this you don't have to agree and you don't have to like the foreign policy moves that Trump is making. 0.60

01:12:30.000 My view in 2016 with Hillary Clinton was if you wanted to be a fat American who does very little work for a whole lot, Hillary Clinton was your candidate because she was willing to go to war with Russia over Syria. 0.99

01:12:42.000 She wanted a no fly zone over Syria because of the Qatar Turkey pipeline. 0.99

01:12:46.000 She was told by our general that would be a declaration of war on Russia because they have a naval base in Tartus and that would restrict their movements.

01:12:53.000 And so she said she did not care.

01:12:56.000 I said that's crazy.

01:12:57.000 Trump said that was crazy.

01:12:58.000 And we voted for Trump because we wanted domestic policy.

01:13:01.000 We wanted our jobs back.

01:13:02.000 We wanted immigration put under check.

01:13:04.000 We wanted to revitalize that American spirit. 1.00

01:13:08.000 I think Trump gets in.

01:13:09.000 And again, we've talked about this ad nauseum over the past several years.

01:13:12.000 China was actually expected to take over, I think, in 2027, was the original date, some like 10 years ago.

01:13:18.000 And then it kept getting pushed back for some reason or another.

01:13:23.000 2032 was one of the later projections.

01:13:24.000 Now that's pushed back even further.

01:13:28.000 My view has been for a while, and again, I don't know everything, guys.

01:13:32.000 My opinion might change based on new information.

01:13:34.000 But we had talked about how Hillary Clinton, Democrats, were concerned about Thucydides' trap.

01:13:40.000 That is, if China was going to supplant the US as the dominant global power, there was fear that a war would break out.

01:13:48.000 12 of the last 16 historical events where a new empire has supplanted the old one resulted in war.

01:13:54.000 So the theory is that Democrats began colluding with China.

01:13:58.000 Bringing their assets over to China, expecting a wealth transfer.

01:14:02.000 The US is on the decline. 0.73

01:14:03.000 China is ascendant. 0.63

01:14:05.000 Instead of going to war, the elites of the United States will sell off their assets to China.

01:14:09.000 You've got Chinese birth tourism. 0.97

01:14:11.000 You've got Chinese buying up all our property. 0.99

01:14:12.000 You've got China stealing our IP.

01:14:14.000 You've got China coming to our universities and taking our IP. 0.76

01:14:16.000 And the elites let them do it because when the shift finally happens and China is the global order, these people will live like kings. 0.93

01:14:24.000 They'll retain their wealth and they will want for nothing.

01:14:27.000 Trump says that's never going to happen.

01:14:30.000 Comes in to reverse that, domestic policy is difficult.

01:14:35.000 More importantly, if China does take over, none of it would matter.

01:14:39.000 So, what we're seeing right now, I don't know what's true or what's not.

01:14:42.000 I can only say this I don't care if it involves Trump.

01:14:45.000 I don't care what Trump, Vance, Hegseth, or Rubio says.

01:14:48.000 We can just nail the point by point of what is true.

01:14:52.000 We own Venezuelan oil.

01:14:54.000 Cuba is surrounded and their government is collapsing.

01:14:57.000 Iran's government has been wiped out.

01:14:59.000 There's a new government there.

01:15:00.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:15:01.000 But all top 40, 50 people in their leadership have all been killed.

01:15:04.000 And the new Ayatollah is reportedly in a coma and has not been awake since.

01:15:09.000 I think he's dead.

01:15:10.000 China just lost access to half its energy, as has all of our adversaries in the region.

01:15:15.000 And the U.S. is exporting record levels of crude.

01:15:19.000 Outside of whatever you think happened, whether it was intentional or not, these are tremendously powerful benefits to the United States in the long run.

01:15:26.000 And we will see short term benefits to that.

01:15:29.000 The exporting of massive crude, we are seeing, I think the average gas price right now across the country is up 50 cents.

01:15:35.000 A lot of people are pissed about that.

01:15:37.000 Hopefully, Trump gets a handle on this.

01:15:39.000 But I got to say, I said this before.

01:15:42.000 If Trump, if this is actually the play, the Trump administration, should they succeed in this endeavor, will go down as the greatest administration in American history.

01:15:51.000 Depending on what else they do domestically.

01:15:54.000 Well, let me ask you this, though.

01:15:56.000 Here's my concern.

01:15:57.000 Let's say that I take everything, everything we say is correct.

01:16:01.000 Let's say that everything we hear is that it is a plan, the goal is to do this.

01:16:05.000 Why not wait until after midterms?

01:16:08.000 Right now, listen, right now.

01:16:10.000 I just told you.

01:16:11.000 Why?

01:16:12.000 Because China had a plan to take Taiwan in 2027.

01:16:16.000 And all of these pieces fit together to apply pressure on China, which would prevent China from having the midterms.

01:16:21.000 Venezuela alone should have slowed that down, right?

01:16:23.000 No, no.

01:16:25.000 Venezuela didn't have enough impact on China.

01:16:29.000 It took all of these pieces to really put an impact.

01:16:32.000 Because, like we said, China has four months of oil in reserve.

01:16:37.000 They have like.

01:16:39.000 I can give you one simple reason.

01:16:42.000 All the world's a stage.

01:16:43.000 That's why.

01:16:44.000 Whether it's Trump, the Democrats, or otherwise, the intelligence agencies have this plan in place and they were going to do it regardless of who is in power.

01:16:50.000 And members of Congress can't even talk to us about what's really going on, nor can they actually pass any real laws.

01:16:56.000 So maybe what's actually happening is that the Hillary, Trump, the Democrat deep state, all of that's been fake the whole time.

01:17:01.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:17:01.000 I don't know.

01:17:03.000 I think that that's probably the closest truth that we've gotten to tonight.

01:17:08.000 And I got to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised.

01:17:10.000 Listen, I just don't trust.

01:17:13.000 It's like I go back and probably one of the most seminal events in my life.

01:17:17.000 Was watching them tell us that we had to put masks on our children to go to school.

01:17:21.000 Two masks.

01:17:22.000 Or three, depending on the day.

01:17:23.000 And then no masks.

01:17:24.000 And then, you know, put a pantyhose over your head.

01:17:27.000 You know, I mean, it was insane, right?

01:17:29.000 So.

01:17:30.000 Well, I hate that point.

01:17:30.000 I want to tell you something, but just hear your point.

01:17:32.000 I don't want to interrupt you.

01:17:33.000 So, my point is, at this point, I'm sorry.

01:17:37.000 If Trump had been honest about other things, if he'd been honest about Epstein, if he'd gone after some of these global elites, you know, I mean, listen, some of these guys that are, you want to take down WEF?

01:17:48.000 Let's look at the Epstein files.

01:17:49.000 Let's look at all the rest of them.

01:17:50.000 Real quick, I think.

01:17:51.000 Not at all.

01:17:52.000 Not at all.

01:17:53.000 But look, what would have needed to be there for you to be satisfied?

01:17:55.000 The rest of them.

01:17:56.000 But the rest of what?

01:17:57.000 Who do you know who's in there?

01:17:59.000 Todd Blanche.

01:17:59.000 I don't know who's in there.

01:18:00.000 What I know is that Todd Blanche specifically said there were 6.5 million pages.

01:18:06.000 We released about 3 million.

01:18:07.000 And most of those were redacted very poorly.

01:18:11.000 Pam Bondi said there were tens of thousands of hours.

01:18:13.000 And then later says, well, it was just porn from the internet.

01:18:16.000 Okay, sure.

01:18:18.000 The stuff that was in the original.

01:18:20.000 Listen, we need transparency.

01:18:22.000 And here's the thing had they not said, had Dan Bongino not outright lied and said there's no Epstein files, and then tried to convince us that Epstein killed himself, which I believe about as much as I believe that Tyler Robinson did this with no help, no one knowing.

01:18:40.000 I actually think Epstein's alive now.

01:18:41.000 I was going to say, Tom, actually, although I believe that the Epstein files were suffering from being too hyped up, I think the administration burned itself by hyping up.

01:18:50.000 The files so much prior to getting in.

01:18:52.000 So, people like Kash Patel, who's now the FBI director, or Dan Bongino, hyped these files up so much that it's hard to really blame you for being dissatisfied with what's coming out following all the hype that's been around this from the people who ended up in the administration.

01:19:05.000 So, although I believe it has turned into a witch hunt, when you have people like Pam Bondi, who contributed with these Epstein file binders to make people believe they were getting new stuff when they weren't actually, it was botched.

01:19:17.000 All of this stuff was botched.

01:19:18.000 So, like, at the same time, I just want to say, I just want to say, You know, it's hard to blame you when, you know, they really messed up this rollout.

01:19:26.000 And Bondi and Kash Patel and Dan, they all over promised, under delivered.

01:19:30.000 And now with the redactions, they didn't want it to come out. 0.99

01:19:32.000 And Massey had to fuck with it. 0.98

01:19:33.000 Okay, okay. 0.99

01:19:34.000 So my point is, you know, I really do often find it impossible to believe that any of this is real.

01:19:41.000 The reason why I say that maybe it's all one big happy family tree, son, it's all the world's a stage.

01:19:46.000 Trump is just doing these policies.

01:19:48.000 It's all meant to convince people that you have choice because the only thing we ever talk about are cultural issues.

01:19:53.000 No one ever really cares about what's going on in foreign policy.

01:19:58.000 I just find it hard to believe that.

01:20:02.000 Pam Bondi screwed up on accident, that Dan Bongino screwed up on accident, because you have to be really bad at your job to screw that up.

01:20:11.000 So it seems like it makes more sense to me that it was intentionally done the way it was done.

01:20:18.000 You think the Pam Bondi binder thing was like she knew that it was going to be a huge.

01:20:24.000 I'm projecting.

01:20:25.000 I'm projecting because I would not have screwed it up.

01:20:28.000 So I can't imagine a scenario.

01:20:31.000 It doesn't matter.

01:20:31.000 I don't.

01:20:32.000 I can't. 0.97

01:20:32.000 No, no, Pam Bondi just did it. 0.97

01:20:33.000 I get it a lot.

01:20:34.000 I can't. 0.99

01:20:35.000 Imagine a scenario where the intelligence agencies together are stupider than I am as a single individual. 0.99

01:20:42.000 For example, I've said it over and over again. 0.91

01:20:45.000 If Dan Bongino came out right after he got in the FBI and when he was asked about Epstein, he just went, Oh man, you know, we're going through these files, guys, and it's going to take some time because if we want to get the bad guys, we got to do it right.

01:20:59.000 Otherwise, they get away, but we're working on it, so hang tight.

01:21:03.000 That would have bought him six months.

01:21:04.000 Absolutely.

01:21:05.000 Six months later, they could have released some files.

01:21:07.000 He could have then said, We're currently working a criminal investigation.

01:21:11.000 If we release the information, now the bad guys get away.

01:21:14.000 I'm sorry, but 20 years of criminal conspiracy cannot be solved in one.

01:21:18.000 And everyone would have been like, let's go, Dan.

01:21:20.000 Instead, he comes out and he goes, Epstein killed himself.

01:21:23.000 And everyone's like, what?

01:21:25.000 I can't imagine that was on accident.

01:21:28.000 Maybe it was.

01:21:29.000 It feels like it turned into a witch hunt at a certain point.

01:21:32.000 And the only way to satisfy that witch hunt was a scapegoat, which we didn't ultimately have.

01:21:37.000 The hammer didn't come down on anybody.

01:21:39.000 There was one prince who stepped down or something.

01:21:41.000 That's what I think people like you want, though, right?

01:21:42.000 No, no, no.

01:21:43.000 You want billionaires or these people in WEF?

01:21:45.000 Trump should have literally taken a goat, brought it out to the White House lawn, and then shown Epstein files the picture of the goat in it and be like, the goat did everything.

01:21:55.000 Then they. 0.93

01:21:57.000 Slaughter the goat. 0.99

01:21:58.000 That's what you do. 0.91

01:21:59.000 That's what a scapegoat is.

01:22:01.000 That's literally what a scapegoat is.

01:22:01.000 Okay, yeah.

01:22:03.000 Exactly.

01:22:04.000 I mean that in a serious manner, though.

01:22:06.000 Like, I feel like they promised goods and they never delivered, and people like you.

01:22:11.000 Who were, I think, bought into the hyper, were sold a set of stories that may or may not be true, or that we didn't end up seeing the resolution to.

01:22:19.000 They didn't come with the goods after promising them for so long.

01:22:23.000 So let me ask Can anybody in this room, we started hearing about Epstein in the 90s, right?

01:22:31.000 And first of all, I'm going to diffuse this.

01:22:33.000 Anybody that wants to say, Well, did you ask about it during Biden?

01:22:36.000 No, I voted for Trump because I expected more. 1.00

01:22:39.000 I knew Biden was a piece of crap. 1.00

01:22:41.000 I voted for Trump. 1.00

01:22:42.000 I fought for Trump.

01:22:43.000 I campaigned for Trump because I wanted more.

01:22:45.000 So, no, I didn't expect that Joe Biden, whose son was bringing crack to the White House, was going to do anything about this, allegedly, allegedly bringing crack to the White House.

01:22:58.000 But here's the thing this starts in the 90s.

01:23:02.000 Allegations of the Clintons, allegations.

01:23:05.000 I mean, we got the Bill Gates thing. 0.99

01:23:06.000 I mean, he's slipping his wife antibiotics because he got God knows what from some Russian hookers.

01:23:14.000 Does anybody in this room seriously believe that Epstein wasn't running a blackmail ring for elites? 0.59

01:23:24.000 I mean, does anybody not believe that?

01:23:26.000 I don't know that I believe or disbelieve it.

01:23:28.000 What's the evidence that he was running a blackmail ring?

01:23:32.000 After 20 years, 30 years of this constantly being a conversation, constantly being a topic, of criminal prosecutions, of all sorts of things.

01:23:41.000 Now, by the way, if you.

01:23:43.000 Well, I think it was only at the end of the 2000s when they brought the first charge against him for soliciting underage girls.

01:23:48.000 What had happened was two young girls were fighting with each other.

01:23:51.000 And then when they went and separated the girls, they found a bunch of money in her purse and said, Where'd you get it?

01:23:55.000 And she said, I work for Jeffrey Epstein.

01:23:57.000 Here's what we do. 0.99

01:23:58.000 And they're like, He's hiring underage girls to be hookers. 0.98

01:24:01.000 So he gets charged for it.

01:24:02.000 But the theory that he was blackmailing people, I believe, became particularly prominent after 2012 when people started asking why Epstein was granted, like, where'd he get his money from?

01:24:15.000 He was a teacher.

01:24:16.000 None of it made sense.

01:24:17.000 And so theories started to emerge, again, largely based off of circumstantial evidence, speculation.

01:24:23.000 Things like that email to Bill Gates where he said, you know, I gave you medication to give your wife.

01:24:28.000 There were things like that.

01:24:30.000 I don't know that we've seen any evidence.

01:24:35.000 That Epstein was actually an intelligence asset that was blackmailing a ton of world leaders.

01:24:40.000 That's not to say he wasn't.

01:24:42.000 I think that Epstein was likely tied with intelligence agencies that was doing something in this space.

01:24:47.000 But I'm only saying this to be careful on I don't want to have them throw a bone for us to chase in the wrong direction when we're trying to figure out what it is that Epstein was doing.

01:24:57.000 And so there's a lot that's involved.

01:24:59.000 The blackmail is certainly one of these theories.

01:25:02.000 But for now, the only evidence we have of it was that he wrote a draft email to Bill Gates saying he wanted $30 million. 0.68

01:25:08.000 Don't you remember when you drugged your wife with antibiotics because some hookers gave you an STD? 0.53

01:25:13.000 I think a lot of this story, the truth is already bad enough.

01:25:17.000 And for people to continue chasing and exaggerating certain portions of the story takes away from that.

01:25:24.000 And for example, the legitimate parts of the story, I mean, Howard Lutnick, currently in the administration, even after Epstein was convicted of running around with these underage children in Florida, still hung out with him.

01:25:39.000 And still was willing to meet him multiple times.

01:25:41.000 And Lutnick still allegedly went to the island following that.

01:25:44.000 Bill Gates, his relationship with Bill Gates was all after he was convicted of this behavior with younger children.

01:25:52.000 So, like, there's a lot of evidence of very bad behavior, not particularly illegal for these other guys, just unbecoming for people in power.

01:26:01.000 And I think, you know, people chasing other parts of the story that may or may not turn out to be true or fleshed out by the evidence is really overshadowing a lot of that bad behavior because, I mean, I know there was a short little witch hunt for Howard Lutnick, but nothing came of it, although there is a lot of pressure allegedly right now in the administration for his ousting.

01:26:20.000 Like, instead of focusing on some of these other points, people are saying, you know, they're unsatisfied because they aren't getting so called scalps from whoever may have allegedly been in these videos that they're saying is just, you know, online videos or whatnot.

01:26:34.000 So, 3 million plus pages.

01:26:39.000 I'm going to be real honest with you.

01:26:40.000 I've not read the 3 million that have been out.

01:26:43.000 I've read excerpts, I've looked at things.

01:26:46.000 No way did I get through 3 million pages.

01:26:48.000 There are over 3 million more pages, and according to Pam Bondi, tens of thousands of hours of video.

01:26:54.000 I don't want to see the video.

01:26:57.000 It was reported when they raided that his entire mansion in New York was full of cameras everywhere.

01:27:04.000 I mean, what do you think we're not seeing?

01:27:07.000 And by the way, isn't it interesting that everything in those three million pages that was out there was either redacted or very vague?

01:27:16.000 I mean, in three million pages, wouldn't you have thought that there would have been a few names here and there, even by accident?

01:27:23.000 Is there anything that could come out that could convince you that he wasn't organizing a pedophilic sex ring that was?

01:27:30.000 You know, getting blackmail on politicians.

01:27:32.000 Is there anything that can convince you that that's not, that that didn't happen?

01:27:35.000 Well, I got, I got, no.

01:27:37.000 Is there any evidence that he did do that?

01:27:39.000 No, that could convince him that he did.

01:27:41.000 No, no, no, no.

01:27:42.000 I understand.

01:27:43.000 But my point is that there isn't evidence.

01:27:45.000 What is the evidence that Epstein did have a pedophile trafficking ring where he was blackmailing politicians?

01:27:50.000 I'm not saying there isn't.

01:27:52.000 I think that people, the evidence that people beat around the bush and use innuendo around was that he was convicted for relations for somebody under age.

01:27:59.000 Two underage girls that he hired to support him.

01:28:01.000 In court. 0.82

01:28:02.000 And then was around a lot of.

01:28:04.000 Of rich people, and I think his wife's father was not too agent allegedly.

01:28:10.000 He flew young women to his island under the guise of them being models and then paid them to do untoward things.

01:28:16.000 With him, by the way.

01:28:18.000 There's not a lot of evidence that.

01:28:20.000 So, my question is What about the victims?

01:28:22.000 They've literally spoken out about it.

01:28:24.000 That they were trafficked to other people?

01:28:26.000 Yes.

01:28:28.000 And my question is What is the evidence?

01:28:28.000 Right.

01:28:30.000 Again, I'm not saying there isn't, that he filmed this and then used it to blackmail these individuals to make money or to control them or something like that?

01:28:37.000 When it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, no, no, no.

01:28:41.000 I asked you a question.

01:28:42.000 I'm not asking you, I'm not telling you to convict someone.

01:28:45.000 I'm telling you that I want an investigation and I want transparency.

01:28:49.000 I don't, I don't think we can convict it.

01:28:50.000 I think Epstein was hiring a bunch of young girls, tricking them into coming to the island, asking them to be models, all of that stuff.

01:28:55.000 He was convicted of that.

01:28:57.000 There was a conspiracy theory that he was blackmailing powerful world leaders to control them.

01:29:04.000 Now, that's a theory that's interesting and maybe, but what's the evidence for that claim?

01:29:08.000 Do you believe it?

01:29:09.000 Do you believe it personally?

01:29:10.000 Tim, personally, do you not think he's a good guy?

01:29:13.000 I don't believe it or believe it.

01:29:15.000 I know it's an idea that may or may not have happened.

01:29:17.000 I am asking the people who do believe it to say, inform me as I am unfamiliar with the hard evidence that he was blackmailing.

01:29:24.000 Again, the only thing I think we've seen so far is an email to Bill Gates where he said, You owe me $30 million.

01:29:29.000 And then he said, Remember when I gave you antibiotics to give to your wife that you snuck into her drink because two Russian hookers gave you an STD?

01:29:36.000 The statements of the victims.

01:29:38.000 The victims, I don't believe the victims stated that Epstein used video footage from them to blackmail princes and world leaders and politicians or anything like that.

01:29:47.000 Virginia Guthrie literally said that she was forced to sleep with the prince and whoever else.

01:29:53.000 But she also rescinded many of her allegations.

01:29:55.000 But again, that may be.

01:29:57.000 I'm not asking.

01:29:58.000 We know that he did that.

01:29:59.000 The question is what's the evidence that he filmed it, then went to the prince and said, I have filmed you doing this with underage girls.

01:30:06.000 I'm going to use this against you unless you give me access to things.

01:30:09.000 Why would he set up.

01:30:11.000 The prince to what else?

01:30:12.000 I mean, he's getting something out of doing it.

01:30:14.000 Excellent question.

01:30:15.000 I mean, to me, he's not.

01:30:16.000 Questions about evidence.

01:30:18.000 Well, we do have circumstantial evidence.

01:30:21.000 Which is?

01:30:22.000 He did it.

01:30:24.000 He did set this up.

01:30:24.000 Did what?

01:30:25.000 He did facilitate these sexual liaisons with at least some powerful people.

01:30:30.000 Agreed.

01:30:31.000 And what's the evidence that he then went to them after the fact and said, I have filmed you doing this.

01:30:36.000 You now work for me or I'll release it?

01:30:38.000 Well, why would he do it?

01:30:40.000 Why would he be doing something illegal?

01:30:42.000 That's a great question.

01:30:43.000 That he could go to jail for.

01:30:45.000 Maybe they're paying him.

01:30:46.000 But he got nothing out of it.

01:30:47.000 Maybe they paid him.

01:30:48.000 Maybe Bill Gates went to him and said, I'll give you $100 for a underage huckleberry.

01:30:52.000 Okay, so let's say that he was just a high class pimp.

01:30:55.000 I would still like to know that.

01:30:56.000 Agreed.

01:30:58.000 My issue is when the assertion is that he was blackmailing powerful world leaders, and we know that to be the case.

01:31:04.000 And I'm not saying it's not the case.

01:31:05.000 I'm just saying I'd like to see some evidence.

01:31:08.000 I'll give you that we can't prove because we haven't seen the documents or the other three and a half million pages that they're hiding or the other stuff that they're hiding that he was doing that.

01:31:17.000 But you know investigating the wrong thing because you don't know Well, of course I could, but if we did it, that's the problem I have with people who are asserting something. 0.94

01:31:26.000 This is the issue I always had with 9 11 truthers.

01:31:29.000 They would come to me and they would say, Did you know that a professor found thermite residue in the base of the World Trade Center after the fact?

01:31:36.000 I'm like, Thermite?

01:31:37.000 And they're like, Yep.

01:31:37.000 And I'd be like, Well, that's weird.

01:31:39.000 So what does that mean?

01:31:40.000 And then they would go, Bush did it.

01:31:42.000 And I'd say, Okay, hold on.

01:31:44.000 You just went from here all the way over there.

01:31:46.000 And they're like, Did you know that it wasn't a plane that crashed in the Pentagon?

01:31:49.000 And I'm like, Really?

01:31:49.000 What was it?

01:31:50.000 And they go, It was a cruise missile.

01:31:51.000 I say, Wow, who did it?

01:31:53.000 Bush did it. 0.95

01:31:53.000 I said, okay, now hold on there a gosh darn minute. 0.95

01:31:56.000 If you want to come to me and say it's strange that the plane that crashed into the Pentagon seemingly vaporized itself and the jet engines are gone, I'm going to be like, that's an interesting point.

01:32:06.000 Now, from there, where do we go?

01:32:08.000 We are lacking information.

01:32:09.000 Something's not being told to us.

01:32:11.000 So I have no issue with Luke Rutkowski, for example, where he just says, we want a proper investigation into these questions.

01:32:19.000 I say, that's a great point.

01:32:21.000 But then you had people who would say it was an inside job.

01:32:24.000 Implying that the Bush administration was involved in it occurring, which is a massively different thing than the official story is not correct.

01:32:32.000 With Pizzagate, we see something similar.

01:32:34.000 You get these emails leaked by WikiLeaks, which are questionable, and instantly, unfortunately, for some reason, everyone just starts making things up.

01:32:42.000 And they claim that pizza means boy and pasta means girl, fabricated out of thin air.

01:32:47.000 And I say, whoa, whoa, hold on. 0.66

01:32:48.000 These people are weirdos.

01:32:50.000 They're doing something strange.

01:32:52.000 These emails are coded.

01:32:54.000 But if you start with the evidence and then just jump to the other side of the room, We're not actually investigating what may be going on.

01:33:01.000 I think, for instance, one of the emails released by WikiLeaks where they say, is it more fun to play dominoes on pizza or on pasta, was about doing drugs.

01:33:12.000 I think they were emailing being like, hey, when you're in an orgy, would you rather be on Coke or MDMA?

01:33:18.000 I think they were coding it because they're sending emails to each other's accounts and they didn't want to overtly say it.

01:33:24.000 There's also the email where they're like, I found a handkerchief with a map on it.

01:33:28.000 And it's like, yeah, clearly these are coded in some way.

01:33:31.000 Unless there's literally like a handkerchief that just looked like a treasure map and we're misconstruing this.

01:33:35.000 But instead of asking what these things could mean and connecting the emails, trying to figure it out, everybody immediately said there's a pizza place where they're hiding kids in the basement.

01:33:44.000 Turns out there was no basement.

01:33:45.000 A guy showed up, fired a bullet into the ground, and it was like, now you're done screwed up.

01:33:50.000 My concern with the Epstein stuff is that the people who are adamant they know exactly what he was doing are hurting the potential investigation and decentralized investigation into what he could have been doing by claiming and asserting.

01:34:04.000 He was part of a blackmail operation.

01:34:06.000 He was doing it.

01:34:07.000 So, how do you feel if I state it this way?

01:34:09.000 I think that the reason that the Epstein files are absolutely essential that we deal with is because there is a reasonable possibility, not that we can prove, but a reasonable possibility that if Epstein was running this child rape ring for a long time, that he was using it to blackmail rich and powerful people.

01:34:29.000 And that if that's the case, that could explain a lot of the corruption that's occurring in this country.

01:34:35.000 It could explain a lot of what's happening.

01:34:37.000 And by opening up a full transparent investigation into this, wherever it goes, what that would allow us to do was to restore certain trust and allow us to ensure that there's a little bit more faith in the institution.

01:34:52.000 I disagree.

01:34:53.000 I think when you decide the conclusion before the investigation and then your investigation does not reach that conclusion, you will lose all the trust.

01:35:01.000 I don't know.

01:35:02.000 I follow that.

01:35:02.000 I tell you what.

01:35:03.000 If you say that Epstein did this, and then we say we're spending, Trump gets in and goes $100 million, and they find nothing, what's going to happen?

01:35:11.000 People are going to say, we elected you to solve this problem and you didn't do it.

01:35:15.000 And then what happens when the people are like, we don't know that Epstein did this?

01:35:20.000 What if they find something else?

01:35:21.000 What if he was an arms dealer?

01:35:23.000 What if his actual money was coming through is that he was smuggling weapons to various factions and rebel groups?

01:35:28.000 What if Epstein was actually arming rebel factions so they could blame it on foreign countries as a casta's belly for the U.S. to go and engage in war or Israel for that matter?

01:35:36.000 And then you go in and say, let me put it this way.

01:35:38.000 Let's go to the extreme end.

01:35:39.000 What if Jeffrey Epstein gets in contact with Mossad through Ghislaine Maxwell, whose dad, of course, was an honorable Israeli citizen and is believed to work for Mossad? 0.62

01:35:49.000 And they say, we need you to send weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah so they'll attack us and we can use it as a casus belli to bomb them and wipe them out.

01:35:58.000 And Epstein's like, let's go.

01:36:00.000 And then someone else comes along and says, actually, Epstein was blackmailing politicians.

01:36:07.000 So, the people go to Donald Trump and say, We want you to investigate Epstein blackmailing politicians over child rape.

01:36:13.000 Trump says, Okay, goes in, and there's nothing there.

01:36:15.000 And he says, There's nothing here.

01:36:17.000 And then the people who voted for him say, Trump's not giving us what we asked for.

01:36:17.000 What do we do?

01:36:22.000 What if Epstein was actually just setting up rebels so that Israel could justify its expansion of greater Israel?

01:36:29.000 Now, again, I don't believe that's the case.

01:36:31.000 I'm using one more extreme conspiracy theory that is entirely plausible.

01:36:35.000 And I could say, Well, if that were the case, because he is believed to have been working for Mossad and Maxwell's dad did too, then we should investigate that.

01:36:43.000 But no one's asking that question.

01:36:45.000 That's the problem I have with drawing the conclusion before the investigation begins because now people want Trump to produce evidence that may not exist because they've already decided it did happen.

01:36:53.000 It doesn't really matter what the reason.

01:36:56.000 Then you can't ask for an investigation into a blackmail ring over child rape.

01:37:01.000 Okay, I want an investigation into a child abuse ring about that.

01:37:07.000 What I want is transparency.

01:37:08.000 I want them to follow the law that they passed and that the president signed.

01:37:12.000 That said, they're going to release everything that they can, with a few handy exceptions, which would include a lot more than half of the pages.

01:37:20.000 What if it turns out that Epstein was an arms liaison for powerful interests for the United States to engage in foreign wars?

01:37:28.000 They would provide, removing Israel from the picture, they would provide enemies of the U.S. with weapons as patsies so that, say, the Houthi rebels would attack things that Trump could then justify and say, okay, now we can go in and say they attacked us.

01:37:40.000 We can, like, basically setting up false flag attacks.

01:37:43.000 What if the reason they won't release this stuff is that Epstein was actually more of an intel military asset for global affairs and war?

01:37:50.000 And the reason they're not releasing this is because it would disrupt U.S. foreign policy plans.

01:37:55.000 Well, wait a second.

01:37:56.000 So you're suggesting that somehow, what if the reason was the reason that he was running a child trafficking rant?

01:38:02.000 No, I'm saying you keep saying that.

01:38:06.000 We know that Epstein hired underage girls under the guise of being models and masseuses and then paid them for sex.

01:38:13.000 Which is what he was investigated for.

01:38:15.000 For himself.

01:38:17.000 You are now continually saying he was doing it for everyone else.

01:38:21.000 No, his victims are saying that.

01:38:24.000 Members of Congress who've looked at the files have said that.

01:38:27.000 Now, I will give you Nancy Mace has said a number of times that there's names.

01:38:32.000 I would love her to name names.

01:38:35.000 And I would love some of these guys to come out and name names.

01:38:37.000 So we've had a number of people that have all agreed that this is happening.

01:38:41.000 Not the blackmail that you keep bringing up.

01:38:44.000 Well, what else would they be doing this for?

01:38:47.000 That's a great question, but that doesn't provide evidence.

01:38:49.000 That should not be the starting point.

01:38:52.000 It provides a reason for the American people to say, hey, we have a right to do this.

01:38:55.000 I've just given you a better reason.

01:38:57.000 Epstein was arming Israel's enemies at the behest of Israel so they could stage fake wars. 0.54

01:39:01.000 Is that not a better reason?

01:39:03.000 I can make up more reasons that make more sense.

01:39:05.000 So you think that the results of the investigations into the allegations about child sex trafficking were that we found out that he was running guns?

01:39:15.000 I'm saying that if you are told to search a house for a weapon and the guy says it's for sure in the basement, we have to go to the basement, and you don't go upstairs because you're damn sure it's in the basement, you'll come out of the basement with nothing and then everyone outside screaming at you, why didn't you find the weapons that are in the basement?

01:39:31.000 Well, I would agree that we should investigate this with a totally open mind, but we need transparency in this issue.

01:39:36.000 So, my only issue, the point I'm bringing up is all I asked was what was the evidence that he was running a blackmail operation.

01:39:44.000 I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just not familiar with it.

01:39:46.000 The evidence, okay, I'll restate it.

01:39:49.000 I believe that that's what he was doing, but I think the evidence does show that he was trafficking children for sex.

01:39:55.000 Yes.

01:39:56.000 Okay.

01:39:56.000 For himself.

01:39:57.000 For himself.

01:39:59.000 Absolutely not.

01:40:00.000 The victims and members of Congress have said that's not the case.

01:40:05.000 He was arrested, convicted.

01:40:05.000 That's fine.

01:40:08.000 The names of the individuals that were engaging in these activities with these underage girls, they should all go to prison, all of that.

01:40:14.000 But we know he was doing it.

01:40:17.000 Agreed.

01:40:18.000 We agree on that point.

01:40:19.000 The only point of contention I had was the blackmail portion, which I'm not familiar with.

01:40:22.000 We have a good example.

01:40:23.000 I will give you that I don't have the evidence to prove you as blackmailing.

01:40:27.000 What I do have evidence to prove it.

01:40:28.000 I'm just saying, why do you think that's the case?

01:40:30.000 Because, listen, when you go, if you're a police officer and you have a reason to investigate someone, you investigate them, right?

01:40:42.000 So when you have a guy that is allegedly trafficking children to rich people around the world and he's got cameras in his houses, there's probably a reason for all that.

01:40:54.000 I'm going to say it like this.

01:40:55.000 The principal issue I take with these constant claims, like the same thing happened when we had this other woman on, is that it absolves to a certain degree the responsibility of the people that were being accused.

01:41:05.000 Instead of saying that powerful individuals were using Epstein as a pimp for underage girls, you're saying he tricked them into doing it to blackmail them.

01:41:15.000 No, I don't.

01:41:16.000 I absolutely agree.

01:41:17.000 I want those powerful individuals in jail.

01:41:19.000 That's the reason I want them to be in jail.

01:41:20.000 The conspiracy theory on the blackmail was that he would go on the Lolita Express and invite powerful people on the plane.

01:41:26.000 He would introduce these guys to like 16, 17 year old girls.

01:41:29.000 And say, they're going to hook up with you.

01:41:32.000 Afterwards, he would say, I filmed you and they're underage and I own you now.

01:41:37.000 There's no strong evidence that is actually how it played out, but that is the theory that people think he was doing.

01:41:42.000 One of the issues I take with that is that it means that insert powerful billionaire, he was duped into doing it.

01:41:49.000 Instead of these powerful billionaires hired Epstein to facilitate this and they went to his island where there was no jurisdiction to stop him.

01:41:57.000 I agree with you.

01:41:57.000 There's no law enforcement.

01:41:59.000 100%.

01:41:59.000 And if that's the case, that's all the more reason that I want the transparency in this.

01:42:04.000 It's all the more reason.

01:42:05.000 But let's tie this into what we were talking about before, because I think this is really important.

01:42:09.000 You know, we're talking about why are we in Iran?

01:42:12.000 We're talking about why are we doing this?

01:42:14.000 Why are we doing that?

01:42:15.000 And the problem that I have, and where the because we both want to avoid having a Democrat majority anywhere, ever, right?

01:42:24.000 We all agree that that's the worst case scenario for everything.

01:42:28.000 The problem is that we, the people, are very frustrated.

01:42:32.000 The midterms look terrible right now.

01:42:34.000 And why?

01:42:35.000 It's because we don't have trust. 0.98

01:42:37.000 Because when we lie on issue after issue after issue, Maybe you're right about everything in Iran. 0.98

01:42:43.000 Maybe this is a, you know, this complex plan, and maybe he's got it all right.

01:42:47.000 And I will give you that every point that you made in terms of the oil, and that's all correct.

01:42:53.000 So maybe you're right about that.

01:42:54.000 But here's the problem we don't know when to trust, and he's broken trust because he came out for accountability.

01:43:02.000 Again, that's why I say I don't care if there's a plan or not.

01:43:05.000 The things we are seeing in this war are fact data points.

01:43:09.000 So again, Trump accidentally did it or he did it on purpose.

01:43:12.000 I don't care which one you pick, it's happening.

01:43:13.000 But people aren't going to come out in the midterms for someone that is lying about everything.

01:43:18.000 They aren't going to come out in the midterms for someone that they feel is not getting the job done.

01:43:23.000 They're not going to come out in the midterms.

01:43:25.000 And that's what I care about because we're going to have a Democrat majority.

01:43:28.000 We're going to get impeachment.

01:43:30.000 And maybe he's playing 15 D tests, but if he gets impeached, he ain't going to play anything.

01:43:34.000 And maybe he resigned himself to that reality already.

01:43:37.000 So he's maximizing all of his foreign policy efforts now.

01:43:39.000 I'm praying, I am praying that Donald Trump is successful.

01:43:44.000 For the sake of our children, I think there's a decent probability that Donald Trump, we talked about this a couple weeks ago, knows that it's a foregone conclusion at the midterms.

01:43:53.000 And so the reason why we're seeing Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, China, all this stuff now is because he's like, okay, boys, we've got seven months to pull it off.

01:44:02.000 After the midterms were cooked, so let's go out with a bang.

01:44:05.000 He's going to jam through as much as he can to prop up the United States and then hope the next two years where he's jammed up and can't do anything, we will be able to set up a new.

01:44:15.000 Republican who would come in and then carry on and continue the plans that he's that not just him but his administration has made.

01:44:21.000 And what if what if the other side let's because we're talking a lot about Trump's strategy and Trump, you know, but maybe he's brilliant, maybe he's not, we don't know what he's doing, right?

01:44:30.000 But the same, remember for any 4D, 5D, 6D chess he's got, the other side is trying to counter him, right?

01:44:38.000 So maybe with all of these things you're doing, you know, are they setting him up to look bad, to look worse, to look this so that they can undo it?

01:44:44.000 I personally think.

01:44:46.000 I personally think there's a huge, huge movement to try and destroy.

01:44:49.000 I think what's going on is the mega, the division.

01:44:53.000 If Trump chokes out China for four months, that's not being undone.

01:44:58.000 Every day China's without oil, they're in serious trouble.

01:45:01.000 They've already had a financial crisis for a long time.

01:45:03.000 If Trump gets impeached, if Trump gets impeached in seven months, it would only be in the House.

01:45:12.000 They're not going to lose the Senate.

01:45:13.000 No, they're going to lose the Senate, but they need 60 votes in the Senate.

01:45:16.000 Okay, yeah, exactly.

01:45:17.000 They're not even going to have a majority in the Senate.

01:45:19.000 They're projected to have the majority in the Senate, yes. 0.98

01:45:21.000 They need to take four seats?

01:45:22.000 Yes, they're projected to lose four seats.

01:45:25.000 I just pulled up the Cook Political Report showing that they're all shifting Democrat.

01:45:28.000 I think that tweet explicitly said, like, it's only going to be one to three, and it would take.

01:45:32.000 The prediction markets have Democrats sweep.

01:45:34.000 So maybe I'm wrong, but the prediction markets.

01:45:36.000 You guys had my buddy Seth Kessel here a while back, right?

01:45:39.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 So Seth is probably the most accurate election guy on the planet.

01:45:43.000 He thinks that we're going to hold the Senate.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, fair point.

01:45:46.000 270 to win does.

01:45:47.000 The prediction markets have it for Democrats, buds. 0.97

01:45:49.000 I agree with the prediction markets. 0.87

01:45:49.000 I agree. 0.87

01:45:51.000 Democrats are going to go out and I'm going to say this and listen.

01:45:54.000 And Seth is going to give me a hard time because we're buddies.

01:45:56.000 And I mean, the guy is about as accurate on elections as can be.

01:46:01.000 I'm going to go out and just say that I disagree with him unless Trump pulls off some real magic between now and the election.

01:46:06.000 He's going to have to do something massive.

01:46:08.000 Or I think the Democrats sweep.

01:46:11.000 I disagree about having to do something massive.

01:46:12.000 I think the only thing he needs to do is end the war in Iran, and people need to see gas prices return to what they're used to.

01:46:21.000 And I think that that will, I'm only saying that will save the Senate.

01:46:25.000 I don't think the Republicans can win the House unless, yeah, I don't think the Republicans can win the House at all.

01:46:34.000 Unless the economy is going gangbusters. 0.99

01:46:37.000 If there's a massive increase in economic activity here because of what happened in Iran, right?

01:46:42.000 Because of what we're talking about with China, there's a big boom in the U.S. and people start making money in the next six months, then I think the Republicans can, not will, can.

01:46:53.000 It still comes down to the people that are running.

01:46:55.000 It depends on the campaigns that they run.

01:46:57.000 If the U.S. doesn't have a big boom economically, the Republicans cannot.

01:47:02.000 The only way they possibly can is if there's a big boom.

01:47:05.000 What about the election fraud?

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 I haven't.

01:47:09.000 If Trump's executive order already on the postal service that they can't transport mail in ballots for ineligible people, the game may be changed right now.

01:47:21.000 And the question is will Trump deploy ICE and DHS into key swing areas to inhibit any potential illegal voting activity or things like that?

01:47:33.000 It's all going to play a big role, and we got to see how it plays out.

01:47:35.000 But I guess the question is is Trump ready to go to actual.

01:47:40.000 War, like political warfare.

01:47:42.000 Meaning the use of law enforcement for control of elections and things like that.

01:47:42.000 Yeah.

01:47:46.000 Well, we'll see.

01:47:48.000 And Tim, my follow up to that is going to be this.

01:47:52.000 We all hope that Trump is the guy that we fought for, and we all hope that he's playing 16D chess, but we've got a lot of lies.

01:48:00.000 Did I really trust the deployment of troops in a federal election?

01:48:05.000 Did I trust that sort of a thing?

01:48:07.000 And I got to be honest, when I'm being lied to about so many things, when I'm seeing a lack of accountability for any of these bad people that are doing it, why aren't we putting some of these guys in jail right now instead of waiting until this last minute, which could turn into an absolute war in this country?

01:48:24.000 What if they don't actually have enough?

01:48:26.000 Evidence because we, I think, I think we agree that to indict someone and fail at putting them in jail is worse than not indicting them.

01:48:35.000 What if they just don't have enough, not saying that they are good people or that they didn't break the law, but what if they don't have enough evidence that the people that have made accusations are not credible enough or they don't think are credible enough to a jury where they feel like they're going to actually put people in jail?

01:48:51.000 Because that's something that people don't talk about, right?

01:48:54.000 There's people always say, We need to put these people in jail, we need to put these people in jail.

01:48:58.000 As if just saying, you should go to jail, you should go to jail, you should go to jail, as if it's an authoritarian country where you can just say, well, you're accused, you're accused, you're accused, and we think that there's a preponderance of evidence, so we're just going to put you in jail.

01:49:09.000 That's not how our government works.

01:49:10.000 That's not how the DOJ works.

01:49:11.000 If they don't believe they have the evidence to convince a jury, they're not going to indict.

01:49:16.000 What if the situation is they just don't think they have the evidence?

01:49:20.000 So I would agree with you 100%.

01:49:22.000 You're a lawyer.

01:49:23.000 I am a lawyer.

01:49:24.000 And maybe I'm not a very good one, but you know better than me.

01:49:30.000 I mean, I'm just a guy that yells at a stick, you know?

01:49:34.000 Fair enough, right?

01:49:35.000 Fair enough.

01:49:36.000 But here's the problem.

01:49:38.000 I watched Pam Bondi throw the Comey case and the Letitia James case, and I'm going to tell you that it is my opinion as an attorney, she threw those cases intentionally.

01:49:47.000 She, under the black letter of the law, this wasn't an activist judge. 0.97

01:49:51.000 This was the black letter of the law, was very clear that Halligan, who may be a great attorney, I'm not ripping her at all, she may be amazing. 0.70

01:50:01.000 She did not have the authority to appoint Halligan into that position. 0.98

01:50:06.000 She took the most important case.

01:50:09.000 In our country, and gave it to someone who it was very clear does not have the authority to prosecute it.

01:50:16.000 That isn't a mistake that someone who's been a state AG and then is a U.S. Attorney General, that's not the kind of mistake they make.

01:50:23.000 That to me was 100% intentional, just like letting Maureen Comey, of all people, get involved with the Diddy case.

01:50:32.000 And by the way, there's a friend of mine, his name's Mike.

01:50:36.000 He's a podcaster, also a smaller podcast, great guy.

01:50:41.000 He went to high school in Palm Beach when Epstein was doing this.

01:50:45.000 It was common knowledge that they were recruiting from that high school.

01:50:49.000 It was common knowledge.

01:50:50.000 We got to go to Super Chats and Rumble Rants because we keep getting pushed back.

01:50:53.000 So smash that like button, share the show, all that good stuff.

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01:51:08.000 And our Timcast Discord members call in and actually talk to us.

01:51:12.000 And I'm sure they're all going to yell at me, but that was always allowed, and I welcome it.

01:51:15.000 Let's see what you guys got to say. 0.67

01:51:16.000 HS Disturbed says, Tim, British propaganda called our revolution a Presbyterian revolt.

01:51:22.000 You tried Catholic, perhaps reformed theology is worth a try.

01:51:26.000 My mom gave me a cross to hang over my entrance today.

01:51:30.000 Yeah, it was a very special one.

01:51:32.000 What is it?

01:51:33.000 A Benedict?

01:51:35.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:51:36.000 And what did you guys do?

01:51:37.000 I don't, in front of your crucifix?

01:51:39.000 Just like a regular cross?

01:51:41.000 You don't have the word.

01:51:42.000 Benedictine cross or something like that?

01:51:43.000 Very special one.

01:51:44.000 Thank you, mom.

01:51:46.000 We'll have to wipe off the red that we put over the doorway or whatever.

01:51:49.000 Is that what you guys do?

01:51:50.000 Yeah, well, Passover.

01:51:54.000 Yeah, but again, I don't consider myself a Christian.

01:51:57.000 We were just having a conversation the other day about, and I was talking to my wife about whether or not we need to start going back to church.

01:52:02.000 We're lapsed Catholics. 0.99

01:52:03.000 And I still don't consider myself a Christian, but every single Christian has been like, just come anyway.

01:52:08.000 And so we've talked about the importance of community and discussions of just faith and theology with our daughter as it is, but also the importance of being around good, trustworthy people because. 1.00

01:52:20.000 To be honest, when you know the story that it tells, I went to meet up with Seamus after he went to a Latin mass, and everyone there is as prim and as proper, you know, traditional, respectful, good moral values, all that stuff.

01:52:32.000 And that's the kind of people that you want to be around.

01:52:34.000 The main reason I think we didn't do it is I just said, um, I don't want to be fake, I don't want to impose myself on people who are going to worship when we don't share those beliefs necessarily.

01:52:43.000 I do believe in God, but uh, the response from literally 100% of people is come anyway, they don't care whether they really want to convert, like, not convert, of course, no, yeah, but you know, they they.

01:52:54.000 The idea is like if you come, maybe you will start to believe or something.

01:52:57.000 But for us, it's more so about being around people that we believe are good, honest, trustworthy, and things like that.

01:53:03.000 And having our daughter grow up around people that we think are good and trustworthy.

01:53:08.000 And I also think that there's value in learning the stories that are taught in the Bible as well.

01:53:13.000 Whether you truly believe in the afterlife and resurrection, the general moral structure, I think, is a good thing.

01:53:21.000 But let's read some more.

01:53:24.000 Swanson says, I know there's conservatives saying Trump betrayed you. 0.98

01:53:27.000 If the left gets in power again, illegals come back. 0.75

01:53:29.000 J6 will look like child's play if the left gets full, unfettered power. 0.98

01:53:32.000 Go vote.

01:53:34.000 Swanson says, is it fair to say Candace is part of the Marxist right?

01:53:38.000 Again, people go out and vote.

01:53:39.000 Literally, America depends on y'all getting out there and voting.

01:53:41.000 America will not and cannot fall to the left.

01:53:43.000 I mean, I am proud to say that our member of Congress is Riley Moore.

01:53:47.000 If you guys know Riley, he's fantastic.

01:53:49.000 And he's a friend and he skates and he did a kickflip to fakey on the bank here.

01:53:53.000 And there are some other members of Congress who claim to be skateboarders.

01:53:56.000 But the only other member of Congress I will give credit to is Tim Burchett.

01:53:59.000 He's more of an old school guy.

01:54:00.000 He rides cruiser boards, but he makes skateboards.

01:54:02.000 That counts.

01:54:03.000 But Riley, let me tell you about Riley Moore.

01:54:05.000 He showed up here to skate and he's an old man.

01:54:07.000 What is he, like 43 or something?

01:54:10.000 And right.

01:54:11.000 So he comes in, and I'm thinking, like, remember when Beto said he could skateboard?

01:54:16.000 And then he jumped on the.

01:54:17.000 Trust me, every single skateboarder saw Beto get on that board and knew he was lying.

01:54:21.000 He could stand on a board, sure, I'll give him that, but he did not know how to ride the board properly.

01:54:25.000 And so Riley comes in and throws his board down.

01:54:28.000 And immediately, at first, I'm thinking, like, I'm sure he skates, you know what I mean?

01:54:31.000 Like, come on, I skate.

01:54:33.000 But then he throws his board down and jumps on it.

01:54:34.000 And I was like, oh, okay, he actually knows how to jump on his board.

01:54:37.000 And then he just, without warming up, did a half cab nose slide on the box.

01:54:41.000 You probably just have no idea what I said.

01:54:43.000 It's not the hardest of moves.

01:54:46.000 I would describe it as an intermediate move.

01:54:49.000 So, when you're a kid, there's a trick called a nose slide, and it's where you jump off the board, turn it sideways, land with the nose of the board on the edge of a rail or ledge, and slide.

01:54:59.000 A nose slide.

01:55:01.000 A half cab nose slide would be you ride backwards, jump sideways, backwards, and to your right, and land on the ledge and go forward.

01:55:11.000 Slightly more advanced, but not.

01:55:13.000 Too much more advanced.

01:55:14.000 It's more like intermediate.

01:55:15.000 Maybe after you get your basics down, you might learn that trick.

01:55:18.000 But doing it as a 40 something year old man who did not warm up, I immediately was like, Riley used to be really good when he was younger.

01:55:26.000 Like you can tell, like we're old men.

01:55:28.000 I'm 40.

01:55:29.000 And so I still got some moves.

01:55:30.000 You know, I skate decently well, not like I did when I was 19.

01:55:34.000 But, you know, when Riley shows up and he does a trick like that, I was like, wow, he must have been pretty dang good at skateboarding when he was like 19, 20 years old.

01:55:41.000 Now he's a dad.

01:55:42.000 He doesn't really skate that often.

01:55:43.000 But to hit a ledge like that at 40 something without warming up is.

01:55:47.000 I'm impressed, you know.

01:55:49.000 That guy can skate.

01:55:50.000 Shout out, Representative Moore.

01:55:52.000 So, I'm, you know, we're doing all right, West Virginia.

01:55:52.000 Right.

01:55:55.000 That's pretty cool.

01:55:56.000 Yeah.

01:55:56.000 West Virginia's not perfect, you know, but Morrissey is an amazing governor.

01:56:00.000 I think he does a great job.

01:56:03.000 And, you know, the thing about Morrissey is that he was the candidate we were hoping was going to win because everybody knows him out here.

01:56:12.000 And he's just like, he's a right populist guy.

01:56:15.000 He'll talk to you.

01:56:16.000 He doesn't come off, he's not one of these ultra elites.

01:56:19.000 And so, We kind of weren't sure he was going to actually win.

01:56:22.000 And then he did.

01:56:23.000 And we were very excited because it feels like the people won.

01:56:26.000 Same thing with Riley.

01:56:28.000 Very happy with West Virginia.

01:56:29.000 All right, let's go.

01:56:30.000 We got this from Riccata Law for President.

01:56:33.000 He says If you don't trust the government, why would you trust their investigation then?

01:56:36.000 The FBI and J6, DOJ for numerous things, but you'll trust that investigation of foreign involvement with Charlie LMAO.

01:56:45.000 All fair point, I guess. 0.56

01:56:47.000 Right?

01:56:47.000 If we don't trust Trump.

01:56:49.000 I don't trust any of them on anything.

01:56:50.000 What I'm hoping for is transparency.

01:56:52.000 Transparency.

01:56:55.000 Same old man says, Tim, that Chinese tanker came from the UAE, not from Iran.

01:56:59.000 Well, that's interesting then that they got turned around because Trump said he was going to blockade the Strait.

01:57:05.000 Trump supporters came out and said, no, no, no, no, he's blocking the Iranian ports.

01:57:08.000 Trump said on Truth Social he was blocking the Strait.

01:57:11.000 I think he's blocking the Strait.

01:57:12.000 I think Trump is choking out China.

01:57:15.000 I think that's what he's doing.

01:57:17.000 I don't even know if it's Trump.

01:57:18.000 I think it's people around him.

01:57:21.000 I think a quick point on that I saw on Monday that there was a Chinese tanker that did go through.

01:57:27.000 It's a fascinating game of chicken, though, because in order to actually enforce a blockade, you'd have to embark on the Chinese tanker.

01:57:34.000 And that would be a gigantic escalation, obviously, and something that the president would have to consider before actually moving forward and doing.

01:57:40.000 And who knows if he would actually want to move forward with that, given that in one month he's supposed to be visiting China and having a face to face meeting with Xi.

01:57:48.000 So it's an interesting game of chicken, right?

01:57:49.000 Like, was the U.S. military really going to board this Chinese tanker and enforce this blockade?

01:57:54.000 Well, we'd have to find out.

01:57:57.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 I think Trump is not material to the greater conversation of what the U.S. has been doing.

01:58:04.000 And he only serves as an avatar for people.

01:58:06.000 You know, people often talk about that politics in this country is wedge issues that people bicker about.

01:58:12.000 And in actuality, the machine just does what the machine does.

01:58:14.000 You know, I think, I wonder if Trump got the message when they threatened to put him in prison and said, you win.

01:58:21.000 You like, so here, the theory was when Trump first got elected in 2016, he had a meeting with a bunch of elites.

01:58:28.000 I was outside the building when this happened.

01:58:29.000 It was a big deal.

01:58:30.000 We were in D.C.

01:58:31.000 And Trump was going in for a meeting with prominent Republicans after he had won the primary.

01:58:36.000 And the scuttlebutt from the journalists that worked in politics was that Trump was not supposed to win.

01:58:42.000 They're surprised he won.

01:58:44.000 And now he has to go and mute the leadership and they're going to lay out the game plan for him.

01:58:47.000 And Trump went in there and they said, Here's what we're doing and why.

01:58:51.000 And Trump went, Nope, I'm not doing any of that.

01:58:54.000 You're going to do what I want.

01:58:56.000 I'm in charge.

01:58:57.000 And they said, You don't understand.

01:58:58.000 This is how it works.

01:58:59.000 And Trump said, You don't understand.

01:59:00.000 This is how it works.

01:59:02.000 So they impeached him.

01:59:03.000 They did all these nasty things to him.

01:59:05.000 They tried to take his business from him.

01:59:07.000 And as the theory goes, he got the message.

01:59:10.000 And so now he's back in and he's pals with Lindsey Graham.

01:59:14.000 And he's going to war.

01:59:16.000 They said, We're going to destroy your life.

01:59:18.000 We're going to raid your home.

01:59:19.000 So why are we not getting any accountability?

01:59:21.000 Because Trump got the message.

01:59:23.000 Why are we getting these foreign wars and this foreign policy?

01:59:25.000 Because Trump got the message.

01:59:28.000 And the thing is, we don't have proof either way.

01:59:31.000 Well, it's not something that's provable one way or another, right?

01:59:34.000 Well, there's not proof that he's playing 5D chess and there's not.

01:59:37.000 Proof that he's.

01:59:38.000 And there's no proof that he's being controlled.

01:59:40.000 And there's no proof that he's not being controlled.

01:59:42.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:59:43.000 The situation that we talked about regarding China, like, there's a lot of evidence.

01:59:48.000 Everything that you talked about is factually correct, right?

01:59:50.000 But we have no evidence.

01:59:53.000 In fact, we have counter evidence.

01:59:55.000 The president himself has never talked about that being a factor.

01:59:58.000 He's talked about, you know, he's going in there to stop nuclear weapons and to stop this and stuff.

02:00:02.000 Well, but wait, wait, wait.

02:00:04.000 Now, you can't tell me that I have to prove Epstein to you, but you don't have to prove his words to me, right?

02:00:10.000 No, this is.

02:00:11.000 Entirely in line with exactly what I'm saying.

02:00:13.000 Words don't mean that much.

02:00:14.000 What is the evidence?

02:00:15.000 What is Trump's evidence that there were nuclear weapons?

02:00:18.000 Things he said.

02:00:19.000 What is the evidence that Epstein was blackmailing powerful petitions?

02:00:22.000 Things people have said.

02:00:24.000 So when Trump says we're going in for nuclear weapons, I say sure, buddy. 0.99

02:00:28.000 When people say Epstein black people, I say sure, buddy. 1.00

02:00:32.000 See, I don't believe it is conducive to success to live your life based on. 1.00

02:00:42.000 A simple linear perspective on how things are going to be.

02:00:46.000 What I mean by that is when I'm assessing whether something is true or false, it's in probabilities.

02:00:52.000 Trump says we're going in for nuclear weapons.

02:00:54.000 I think, considering all the facts, it's like 17% likelihood.

02:00:58.000 I think that there's a lot of higher probabilities in other areas.

02:01:02.000 And so, as we get closer to trying to figure out what these things are, we don't just say, well, there's five variables.

02:01:08.000 I've decided this one is 100%.

02:01:10.000 I say, there are five variables, and here's how I weigh each of them against each other.

02:01:14.000 There are some people who believe we went to Iran to free the people who are being oppressed by the Iranian government and massacred, which I put it like a 0.1%.

02:01:22.000 Like, very unlikely that's the case because we'd be invading Sudan and Eritrea. 0.64

02:01:28.000 We'd have taken over. 1.00

02:01:31.000 We got to grab a couple more.

02:01:33.000 I don't want to leave people hanging.

02:01:35.000 Let's try and get a couple more in here.

02:01:38.000 All right.

02:01:39.000 Antipathy says, can't wait to see Tim around midterms blaming Jew hatred for Republicans losing and not for the Kirk investigation or Trump replacing MAGA with Zionism.

02:01:48.000 I don't believe that Jew hatred is going to cost Republicans the election. 1.00

02:01:53.000 I just think people are stupid. 1.00

02:01:56.000 Candace Owens supporters think the earth is flat. 1.00

02:01:59.000 I appreciate the sentiment, but you got to stop spamming the chat, brother.

02:02:03.000 Yeah, Candace Owens thinks the world is flat.

02:02:05.000 You saw that video of her?

02:02:06.000 No.

02:02:07.000 Well, she said, I'm not a flat earther or a round earther.

02:02:09.000 I'm nothing.

02:02:09.000 I'm not in the cult of science.

02:02:12.000 Something like that.

02:02:15.000 I want to go on record and tell you that I believe the Earth is round.

02:02:18.000 Yeah.

02:02:18.000 Well, the Earth is.

02:02:19.000 Well, here's the thing the Earth is round, and the ice wall surrounds the inner Earth from the greater Earth, where Atlantis and Tartaria control the seven continents because we're actually slaves locked in.

02:02:29.000 Are there lizard people?

02:02:31.000 No.

02:02:33.000 Okay.

02:02:34.000 The greater Earth conspiracy theory is that the Earth is round, and the seven continents are blocked off by an ice wall.

02:02:40.000 And that we do slave labor for Atlantis and Tartaria that lives.

02:02:40.000 Okay.

02:02:44.000 Exist on a massive earth.

02:02:45.000 That's like a thing people believe.

02:02:47.000 Yeah.

02:02:48.000 There are sea peoples as well.

02:02:50.000 Yeah.

02:02:50.000 What does that say?

02:02:51.000 Like mermaids.

02:02:52.000 It's a story of where was it?

02:02:53.000 Like the Caucasus region, the sea people came and no one knows where they came from or something like that.

02:02:56.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:02:57.000 Mermaids are hot.

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02:04:10.000 Phil, we're going to miss you while you're gone.

02:04:11.000 Hopefully, you come back soon and have a great tour.

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02:04:15.000 We're going to start rehearsals.

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02:04:19.000 So, yeah, we'll see you guys back at the beginning of June.

02:04:23.000 But, yeah, man, I think we're going to try and come out and see one of your shows at some point.

02:04:28.000 Dude, Tom, thanks for coming on a lot.

02:04:30.000 And, yeah, follow me at Carter Banks everywhere.

02:04:33.000 Tim.

02:04:33.000 We'll see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL right now.

02:04:37.000 thanks for hanging out

02:05:45.000 so we were just talking about how yesterday's episode of Tim Castile on Rumble has about a million views between Rumble and YouTube's got about a million which honestly like tracks comparably to where we were several months ago So, I'm wondering if Swalwell being accused of rape was big news, everybody wanted to watch it.

02:06:02.000 And the people who hate Democrats have migrated off YouTube and they're now largely on Rumble.

02:06:06.000 That's what Rumble has always been.

02:06:08.000 It's basically been the anti establishment right.

02:06:11.000 I think YouTube's just dying.

02:06:13.000 And here's what I think too one thing that we've seen is every time YouTube has an error, We tell people, well, we're still live on Rumble, and people then go and go on Rumble instead of YouTube.

02:06:23.000 So YouTube viewership's been going down while Rumble's been going up.

02:06:25.000 I don't know if YouTube's dying.

02:06:27.000 It's definitely still the biggest platform.

02:06:28.000 No, YouTube is dying.

02:06:30.000 It's like YouTubers as individuals are struggling, and AI content is taking over.

02:06:35.000 Yeah, I think reels and that short form, swipeable content, that never ending, I forget exactly what they call it.

02:06:43.000 The scroll?

02:06:44.000 Yeah, it's really sucking in a lot of people's stuff.

02:06:47.000 The way they do shorts on YouTube.

02:06:49.000 Is absolutely awful compared to TikTok and compared to Instagram.

02:06:53.000 I'll sit there and I'll watch videos in the same format on X long before I'll do it on YouTube. 0.96

02:07:00.000 Their short form stuff just sucks.

02:07:02.000 Tim, can I get your reaction to this? 0.98

02:07:04.000 You got snubbed here.

02:07:05.000 There was a Turning Point student who asked Vince his favorite podcasters that he'd recommend James Dobson, Andrew Colvitt, Theo Vaughn himself.

02:07:14.000 No Tim Poole.

02:07:16.000 I don't care.

02:07:17.000 I would have put you on the list.

02:07:19.000 Theo Vaughn?

02:07:20.000 Andrew Colvitt?

02:07:20.000 I don't know.

02:07:21.000 I mean, doesn't Theo Vaughn hate Trump?

02:07:24.000 I didn't say it.

02:07:25.000 I thought he was like pretty anti Trump.

02:07:25.000 Yeah.

02:07:27.000 Yeah, he's one of those like.

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:30.000 I don't know.

02:07:30.000 Well, but you were just saying, Tom, that like every time you try to start a YouTube channel, they boot you off.

02:07:34.000 I mean, I can't even get a start there.

02:07:36.000 Like we've tried, we've tried numerous times.

02:07:39.000 You know, they just, you know, it comes down to the fact that I was, you know, big in the health freedom movement and, you know, I did all the work there.

02:07:46.000 It's like I got a permanent ban.

02:07:49.000 I mean, I won't even consider it, but I think that's part of the reason.

02:07:49.000 It's brutal.

02:07:52.000 I think YouTube's fucked. 1.00

02:07:54.000 That's part of the reason they're dying. 1.00

02:07:56.000 People are watching short form these days, not so much long form.

02:07:58.000 Yeah.

02:07:59.000 And the people who are tired of censorship because it happens nonstop have gone largely to Rumble.

02:08:04.000 Listen, we're at a point now where it's like, you know, thanks to Bobby and some of the other people out there, and, you know, because of the work that we did, we've got, you know, we've got a hard ton, we got a ton of hard evidence backing what we're saying.

02:08:17.000 So, you know, back in 2020, 2021, I was bringing evidence that I could put in a courtroom.

02:08:22.000 And they were telling me, yeah, but the mainstream disagrees.

02:08:26.000 Well, it doesn't matter if I can put it in a courtroom under penalty of perjury.

02:08:29.000 I'm clearly not lying about it, right?

02:08:31.000 I got something to base it on.

02:08:33.000 But they would, they would sense me anyways.

02:08:35.000 Now, It's like they can't even say that because now, even the mainstream, I mean, there's mainstream peer reviewed science back in the stuff we say.

02:08:42.000 Can I ask you?

02:08:43.000 I'm sorry to pivot like this, but as I understand, you have a lot of your background in medical freedom advocacy.

02:08:50.000 A lot of people in that space were very critical of the president because of Operation Warp Speed and developing these vaccines.

02:08:58.000 Did you have any reluctance supporting him?

02:09:00.000 Sounds like there's so many things that you would, you know, are inclined not to support him based off of, but this sounds like almost a red line for you.

02:09:07.000 Despite that stuff, despite Operation Warp Speed, despite putting Anthony Fauci in a place of position during his first administration, you know, how did you support him despite that stuff?

02:09:16.000 Well, I'll be honest with you.

02:09:18.000 It was one of the toughest parts of this, right?

02:09:20.000 And at the end of the day, here's the deal I'm an issue guy, right?

02:09:24.000 I look at each individual issue.

02:09:26.000 I don't know Donald Trump, okay?

02:09:28.000 I've met a couple of his family members and I know a lot of people around him.

02:09:32.000 I've never met the president.

02:09:34.000 To me, he's a politician, he works for me, right?

02:09:37.000 And I know that that's a crazy thing to say.

02:09:39.000 And people are like, what do you mean he works for all of us?

02:09:41.000 But he does.

02:09:42.000 He works for all of us, right?

02:09:45.000 On balance, there was no question who the better bet was.

02:09:48.000 We were hoping, we were hoping, especially with bringing Bobby in, that when he came in, he was going to take Maha very seriously.

02:09:58.000 Frankly, we were betrayed.

02:09:59.000 I'm going to speak, I'm going to speak, you know, and I know Bobby's doing a lot of great things and I support Bobby, but we're continuing to support the development of mRNA.

02:10:09.000 Mm hmm.

02:10:09.000 Which we have more and more peer reviewed science coming out demonstrating all sorts of issues.

02:10:15.000 We have the glyphosate executive order, which was mind blowing to me.

02:10:19.000 Insane.

02:10:19.000 Absolutely insane.

02:10:20.000 Oh, it was one of the most just absolutely absurd things you could do.

02:10:24.000 Followed by what we now have in Congress and supported by the president, legislation to essentially provide immunity, the same sort of immunity vaccine manufacturers have for pesticide manufacturers, chemical manufacturers.

02:10:38.000 We've seen the approval of all sorts of new things.

02:10:40.000 We're seeing more and more gene therapy.

02:10:42.000 We're seeing manufactured meats, which I actually did a full breakdown and laid out the manufactured meats that they're growing in these tubes.

02:10:51.000 They literally meet the scientific definition of cancer.

02:10:56.000 Oh, God.

02:10:57.000 I'm not joking.

02:10:58.000 It's literally reproduction, uncontrollable disease.

02:11:02.000 I've got a great thread I can show you on it if you're interested.

02:11:07.000 The Maha space, and this is really, really a big deal when we come to midterms, right?

02:11:11.000 Because I don't want the Dems, but Maha's not happy.

02:11:15.000 And you got to understand that the Maha coalition, there's two things to know about this.

02:11:19.000 Internal polling, and I don't know whether it was made public or not, showed that Bobby brought 9 million votes to the presidential race.

02:11:26.000 That's the difference between Kamala Harris president and Donald Trump.

02:11:31.000 And those people are Candace Owens viewers.

02:11:32.000 Well, not always.

02:11:34.000 Not always.

02:11:35.000 A good portion of them. 0.99

02:11:35.000 Suburban women, massive Candace Owens fans. 0.99

02:11:38.000 I can't say that the people that I know in this space are or are not.

02:11:43.000 I honestly have not gotten into the Candace Owens stuff. 1.00

02:11:46.000 She is a female coded drama show where she has her Stanley Cup front and center because it's all female status stuff. 1.00

02:11:54.000 I know she also complains largely about the warp speed. 0.78

02:11:57.000 I have a bunch. 0.97

02:11:59.000 Yeah, she's anti vaxxer.

02:12:01.000 She did a documentary on vaccines cause autism. 1.00

02:12:04.000 I'm telling you, all of the suburban Maha women that I meet are like, I love Candace. 1.00

02:12:09.000 And now she's saying fuck Trump. 1.00

02:12:10.000 And they're like, yep. 1.00

02:12:13.000 Okay, so maybe that's the thing.

02:12:14.000 I'm with her on the anti vax stuff.

02:12:16.000 I will tell you that no child in my house would ever get another vaccine.

02:12:20.000 When they're old enough to do it, they're going to do their own thing.

02:12:22.000 So, like, that goes for even the so called basic ones like MMR vaccines?

02:12:26.000 Because I think that's one that was recently.

02:12:28.000 So, in 2019, I was 100% pro vax.

02:12:33.000 My kids were vaccinated.

02:12:34.000 I was vaccinated.

02:12:35.000 Even when I travel abroad, I'd say, Doc, what do I need to get?

02:12:38.000 Right?

02:12:39.000 COVID hit.

02:12:41.000 And, you know, if you follow my work, you know, it was, we fought hard.

02:12:45.000 We fought hard.

02:12:46.000 You know, I led a lot of that fight.

02:12:49.000 We get through the COVID stuff, and as I'm going through, I start researching.

02:12:54.000 And what I was doing is I was looking at the science, and I was finding garbage in the science, right?

02:12:58.000 And so a little bit at a time, I would chip away and I would research.

02:13:02.000 And I start out with the science behind masks and lockdowns. 0.98

02:13:05.000 Okay, this is all garbage.

02:13:07.000 I look at the science behind the epidemiology related to COVID. 1.00

02:13:10.000 Okay, this is all garbage. 0.77

02:13:11.000 And I'm putting this in courtrooms, I'm putting this out there, and it's indisputable, right? 0.98

02:13:16.000 It's just facts.

02:13:17.000 We then move forward, and I said, well, wait a second, if there's all this corruption, shouldn't I look further?

02:13:23.000 So I did.

02:13:24.000 And, you know, Aaron Seary and Bobby Kennedy and my good friend Sherry Tenpenny and some of these people who are long, long, long time health freedom advocates that have been anti vax, you know, they've been talking about these things.

02:13:35.000 I start looking and literally without going into what would be an hour long conversation, right?

02:13:42.000 When I look, there is not a single vaccine on the market that was approved using what I would say a true gold standard study initially.

02:13:52.000 Somewhere along the line.

02:13:53.000 What do you mean by what's your gold standard study?

02:13:54.000 As I understand, these are based on peer reviewed studies.

02:13:57.000 Gold standards being.

02:13:58.000 The double blind clinical controlled placebo studies.

02:14:01.000 And that's not how these studies are being implemented.

02:14:02.000 Properly, with the proper number of people, people not being discounted, people not being moved.

02:14:07.000 Every single one of them that I've looked at, everyone without exception, and I've looked personally, there's been issues.

02:14:15.000 Now, the president and Bobby said there's a correlation between autism and Tylenol.

02:14:21.000 Yeah.

02:14:22.000 But here's the thing autism remained fairly steady after the introduction of Tylenol as an over the counter drug in the late 50s.

02:14:30.000 You know when autism exploded?

02:14:32.000 Right after we passed the vaccine act and the vaccine schedule started exploding.

02:14:37.000 Now, listen.

02:14:37.000 There's also plastics that came into massive prominence into the early years.

02:14:40.000 I'm sure you've heard correlation doesn't imply causation.

02:14:43.000 I've not only.

02:14:45.000 I think plastics play a huge role in this, particularly with endocrine disruption.

02:14:50.000 Is this limited to vaccines or does that go for writ large with other Western medicine?

02:14:56.000 There's a lot of problems across the board.

02:14:58.000 And as I've studied this further, and I continue to do this, right?

02:15:01.000 This is a very big part of my work.

02:15:04.000 Basically, I find problems everywhere, right?

02:15:07.000 Ask yourself this, right?

02:15:08.000 So, we have peer reviewed studies, and I'm not going to tell you, and I want to be clear on this because we're dealing with cancer in my house, right?

02:15:15.000 I'm sorry to hear that.

02:15:17.000 You are not going to cure every cancer with ivermectin and FenBen.

02:15:22.000 But Will you cure any cancers with ivermectin?

02:15:25.000 Peer reviewed studies are now coming out showing benefits.

02:15:28.000 To which cancers?

02:15:29.000 Well, this is the problem.

02:15:31.000 This is the problem.

02:15:32.000 Let me share this with you guys.

02:15:34.000 So, when we look at health, One of the problems is when there are cheap alternative solutions that show a statistical signal, there's never any funding to study them, right?

02:15:47.000 When we see a natural product.

02:15:48.000 So, for example, there are certain types of mushrooms that are mainstream treatment in Japan.

02:15:52.000 Japan's a very well developed first one.

02:15:55.000 Treatments, but I mean, it depends.

02:15:56.000 There's a bunch of treatments in China that don't necessarily do anything. 0.97

02:15:59.000 I think we should have just Israel take control of our medical system and force mandate vaccines on everybody. 0.99

02:16:05.000 That's what they did in Israel. 0.99

02:16:07.000 They were the first country to send a vaccine. 0.99

02:16:07.000 They mended everyone. 0.99

02:16:10.000 I'm the first ones to get the deliverance of all the vaccines.

02:16:10.000 I'm just saying.

02:16:13.000 And then we should ban Israel. 0.99

02:16:15.000 Ban Israel. 0.90

02:16:15.000 What? 0.90

02:16:17.000 Ban Israel? 0.55

02:16:18.000 And that's bad.

02:16:20.000 One of my big beasts with Netanyahu is the push for the vaccines.

02:16:25.000 No, but so, all right.

02:16:26.000 Let's say, if God forbid, you were diagnosed with cancer, would you take the medicine that the Western doctors would prescribe to you?

02:16:33.000 Or would you say, I want to try such and such in my own path on research online?

02:16:39.000 Like Tim Apple.

02:16:41.000 Yeah.

02:16:42.000 Or Steve Jobs.

02:16:43.000 I'm joking.

02:16:43.000 Yeah.

02:16:44.000 Same with Steve Jobs.

02:16:45.000 He decided to do a fruit diet, which killed him.

02:16:47.000 So there are some.

02:16:47.000 Yeah.

02:16:48.000 I don't know.

02:16:49.000 I don't know if you believe that.

02:16:50.000 Do you believe Steve Jobs?

02:16:52.000 I didn't look at what Steve Jobs did.

02:16:53.000 But, you know, so listen, here's the deal. 1.00

02:16:59.000 My wife was down to a 6% chance of survival.

02:17:02.000 They've told her to go on palliative care.

02:17:06.000 When she was on that, we were kind of following what they're saying.

02:17:10.000 We're trying a bunch of different things.

02:17:12.000 It wasn't working.

02:17:14.000 We shifted gears and we started doing what made sense based on research.

02:17:20.000 Now, listen, I'm very lucky because of my work.

02:17:24.000 I know mainstream and I know alternative doctors who are very credible scientists across the board.

02:17:30.000 I will not discount the mainstream.

02:17:32.000 I will not at all.

02:17:33.000 There are certainly people who benefit from mainstream.

02:17:36.000 I don't like radiation at this point.

02:17:39.000 I can't, there's almost no instance where I would be a fan of radiation at this point.

02:17:43.000 As far as some of the chemos, there are times when they're necessary, in my opinion.

02:17:47.000 And I've got some great doctors who support that, who do integrative care with both alternative and mainstream.

02:17:53.000 I think what we need to do, though, is what I've seen and what I've learned is we've got to get the money as a motivating factor cleaned out.

02:18:01.000 Right now, medicine is driven by profit margins, not survival.

02:18:05.000 Not any.

02:18:06.000 I just did a.

02:18:06.000 Do you know?

02:18:07.000 I just did a.

02:18:08.000 I kind of fundamentally disagree on that point.

02:18:11.000 I think the profit motive is what makes our medical system the most, I mean, depends on how you define productive, but effective in producing new medicines for people that wouldn't exist otherwise.

02:18:23.000 If these companies weren't making a ton of money, they wouldn't be putting a ton of money into research and development, and then we wouldn't have the pipeline of individuals going into the healthcare industry.

02:18:32.000 I think as a whole, The fact that there are a lot of dollars at play is what helps drive modern medicine further.

02:18:39.000 And that's my understanding of the industry.

02:18:41.000 If these companies weren't making any money, there'd be no incentive for them to produce newer and newer drugs.

02:18:46.000 That's a big part of why the United States is the only country that continues to produce newer and newer drugs because everybody just rides their coattails around.

02:18:52.000 There are tens of thousands of studies globally on cancer right now.

02:18:58.000 Of that, and the numbers, it's been a couple months since I pulled this, is roughly 200 ish that are for cures instead of treatments.

02:19:07.000 Why is that?

02:19:09.000 Why is it that if you ask an oncologist about the root cause of your cancer, they'll frequently say, Well, it's not genetic.

02:19:15.000 What are you talking about?

02:19:16.000 I mean, I guess it's obviously a lot easier to treat than to cure.

02:19:19.000 I mean, do you suspect that there's a cure that there's not?

02:19:22.000 There's no money in treatment or in cures.

02:19:24.000 There's money in treatment.

02:19:25.000 There's no money in cures.

02:19:26.000 I think a pharmaceutical company would make a killing if they developed the cure for cancer and then they would have the IP over that cure for, I need to look at the copy.

02:19:37.000 It would be at least 10 some odd years.

02:19:39.000 This would probably be the most successful company.

02:19:41.000 In pharmaceutical history, if they were to develop a cure for cancer, in my understanding.

02:19:45.000 I don't know why you'd think otherwise.

02:19:47.000 Because economics don't add up.

02:19:48.000 People are still doing it.

02:19:49.000 A cure is a one shot.

02:19:50.000 There's still millions of people around the world.

02:19:52.000 Tens of millions of people around the world.

02:19:53.000 I gotta be honest, I think you just cut the sugar and the gluten out and the cancer's gone.

02:19:57.000 The sugar and the gluten do contribute.

02:19:59.000 Absolutely, just gone.

02:20:00.000 Not only do the sugar and the gluten, but I mean all the other chemicals that are in our foods.

02:20:04.000 Oh, Gellengum, dude? 0.96

02:20:05.000 Gellengum and guar gum cause colon cancer.

02:20:08.000 And I like heavy cream because I try to have lower sugar.

02:20:12.000 Sometimes, you know, with a little sugar, but I'm not, I'm like a staunch, hardcore keto like I used to be.

02:20:16.000 But I'll go by heavy cream, every single one of it, gallon gum.

02:20:20.000 They add rubber, liquid rubber, so that it's thick. 0.99

02:20:25.000 I don't need fucking fake thick. 0.99

02:20:26.000 Just give me regular cream. 0.99

02:20:28.000 And they believe it's causing cancer. 0.99

02:20:30.000 I will say on the Maha movement, though, there are a lot of things that I do strongly agree with.

02:20:34.000 I feel like on the lifestyle and the whole foods aspect to this is very important. 0.94

02:20:39.000 I think we're eating processed junk all the time and they can't be doing us well as a species.

02:20:44.000 How do you feel about genetically modified food?

02:20:46.000 I think genetically modified foods are generally good, actually.

02:20:49.000 And it depends on how you define genetically modified foods, but artificial selection is fine, but. 0.97

02:20:55.000 That's E. coli injection, viral DNA alteration is where it gets fucked up. 0.95

02:21:00.000 Sure. 0.95

02:21:01.000 Selection is a form of GMO, which I think is a good thing. 0.77

02:21:03.000 We got to differentiate those.

02:21:04.000 And everything that we're eating in the modern day is all genetically modified.

02:21:07.000 It depends on how you really want to just measure it, though.

02:21:10.000 We don't live in a world where anything's, you know, in its sequence.

02:21:10.000 Everything.

02:21:14.000 Well, if you consider natural selection or, you know, selection modification, you know, breeding plants, that's one thing when we start talking about modifying.

02:21:22.000 So, for example, you know, to survive glyphosate, All of the seeds are modified, right?

02:21:29.000 Because glyphosate kills plants.

02:21:31.000 Why is it that it kills everything in the field except for the food we eat?

02:21:38.000 Because the food has been modified.

02:21:39.000 Now, did you know that that limits, that means those seeds are now the intellectual property?

02:21:46.000 They have an intellectual property right in those seeds, the companies that make them, right?

02:21:50.000 So, I mean, I think you need to take GMOs in the totality of what they've done throughout history, though.

02:21:55.000 As I understand the reason that we are able to feed so many people on this planet, Is thanks to genetically modified foods because it increases survivability, increases yield, it makes crops much easier to grow, increases the yield essentially.

02:22:09.000 And we wouldn't be able to have a population and feed everybody that we do now if we didn't have the GMOs.

02:22:14.000 I think people forget that when we're talking about that.

02:22:17.000 Have you heard of regenerative farming?

02:22:19.000 Yeah.

02:22:20.000 Okay, so regenerative farming, you're right.

02:22:22.000 You're probably not going to get the same yields as some of these chemically altered poisons, but I mean, you're also not going to be eating glyphosate.

02:22:30.000 Regenerative farming has come a long way.

02:22:32.000 I got a great friend, Howard Vlieger, who is a, I mean, he's got one of the most incredible regenerative farms I've ever heard of.

02:22:39.000 He, you know, he talks about this lecture.

02:22:41.000 There are solutions out there and things that we could move.

02:22:44.000 But instead of creating an executive order where we're going to enshrine glyphosate poisoning for the rest of eternity and then make sure that the farmers who get cancer from it.

02:22:53.000 I don't know enough about glyphosate specific.

02:22:56.000 I feel like you keep mentioning it.

02:22:57.000 Oh, dude, it's a desiccant that kills the wheat and dries it out because we don't want to wait.

02:23:01.000 And then you slather your crop in this nasty chemical everybody's eating.

02:23:06.000 We do got to grab callers, though, so maybe they can join in the conversation, but I want to give them a chance.

02:23:10.000 So we'll start with Kicking Pandora.

02:23:12.000 What's going on?

02:23:13.000 Love you, Mahapi. 1.00

02:23:14.000 What's up, man?

02:23:16.000 We'll talk after.

02:23:17.000 Yeah, longtime viewer, second time caller.

02:23:22.000 I want to bring up something about the 30-aught six conversation that I've never heard anyone else speaking of.

02:23:27.000 Not that they aren't, just haven't heard it.

02:23:29.000 And it leads into a question for the guest.

02:23:33.000 So, you did say that you didn't believe that it was 30-odd six when you first saw it because you know what 30-odd six does. 0.97

02:23:40.000 And I believe I heard you say when Phil brought it up, or I concede to Phil's point, that bullets do weird shit when they enter human flesh.

02:23:47.000 And so, credit to that because it does.

02:23:50.000 We've got countless stories of that, both soldiers and non-soldiers.

02:23:55.000 But one of the things, so the rifle is purported to have been Robinson's grandfather's.

02:24:00.000 And it's very likely, if that's true, that the ammo came from his grandfather.

02:24:04.000 It's an antique Mauser.

02:24:06.000 Grandfather probably takes care of it.

02:24:07.000 It's probably not current modern production high pressure 30 odd six that you would shoot in a modern 30 odd six rifle.

02:24:15.000 It's probably either current production low power, something for like an M1 Garand, or it's hand loaded or it's surplus.

02:24:22.000 So it's probably lower pressure than what people are typically used to.

02:24:26.000 And we see all these videos on YouTube with shooting water jugs and brute and meat targets.

02:24:32.000 Shout out to Paul Harrell, rest in peace.

02:24:36.000 And we see what it does to fake flesh, or not flesh, but dead flesh.

02:24:40.000 None of that really tells us what happens in human live tissue that's going to react at the stimulus, yada, yada. 0.98

02:24:48.000 But like I said, you did concede to Phil's point earlier that bullets do weird shit.

02:24:52.000 And I just never hear anyone talk about, well, is it modern production, higher pressure 30-odd six, or is it more like the stuff that was produced around the time that that rifle was?

02:25:03.000 Because if I was that person owning an antique Mauser, I'd want to take care of it like I take care of the M1 Garand.

02:25:11.000 I don't think so.

02:25:11.000 I've got a bunch of guns and they just sit around, to be honest.

02:25:14.000 So I've got an antique Civil War musket right there.

02:25:22.000 Who knows?

02:25:24.000 That's just a challenge.

02:25:25.000 We just don't know.

02:25:26.000 I think Nick makes a great point when he was like, the Illuminati planted the wrong gun.

02:25:32.000 If it was a conspiracy, I don't think they accidentally planted the wrong gun.

02:25:36.000 That's like, unless they intentionally planted the wrong gun so that this conversation would happen, throwing us off the real story or something.

02:25:43.000 Who knows?

02:25:44.000 I'll just say, listen, by the way, the gun that I shot, the 30 out of 6 that I shot for quite a few years, was an M1 Grand.

02:25:52.000 So it was an old gun.

02:25:53.000 I had a lot of experience.

02:25:54.000 I shot a lot of rounds with it.

02:25:56.000 I really enjoyed the gun.

02:26:00.000 I absolutely think that that gun hits hard.

02:26:02.000 But I will say this I will give you, it could have been a bad load.

02:26:06.000 There's a million things that could have happened, right?

02:26:08.000 They're unlikely, but I'm going to concede that.

02:26:11.000 The real issue that I have on this is more than that.

02:26:13.000 That's the thing that I go to to point to it because I think that's the most unlikely.

02:26:18.000 But there's a ton of things.

02:26:19.000 And as Tim said, and I agree with what Tim said, the story doesn't add up. 1.00

02:26:23.000 Now, could it be a conspiracy of a bunch of tranny furries? 1.00

02:26:26.000 Maybe. 1.00

02:26:27.000 I think establishment left makes more sense.

02:26:30.000 Maybe it does. 0.98

02:26:30.000 Donor class political elite pedophiles. 0.98

02:26:32.000 We know about these dudes who are like having gay hookers at their house who are dying of drug overdoses. 0.99

02:26:37.000 And they're going, we can't let Charlie Kirk win. 0.99

02:26:40.000 And these are donor class elites with friends in the deep state.

02:26:42.000 Weren't they Epstein clients?

02:26:44.000 To be honest, the people that I'm referring to, like the West Coast pedo elite Democrats, probably not.

02:26:49.000 I'm joking. 0.84

02:26:51.000 But my point is, though, is that I agree with what Tim said.

02:26:54.000 The story does not sit well with me.

02:26:57.000 It doesn't sit with me as accurate.

02:26:59.000 And I point to the 30 odd six because I've got experience with that gun.

02:27:03.000 I can say firsthand, and that seems like the most likely or the single biggest smoking gun.

02:27:09.000 But if you look at all of the different things throughout the story, I was being quick earlier when we were talking about it, but I think that just in totality, it doesn't add up.

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